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I was born on the night of October 1940
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when I believe
the Nazis were still booming us
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-led by Madolf Hitlum.
-[audience laugh]
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Soon, we had won.
Anyway, they didn't get me.
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[audience laugh]
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[chanting] We want The Beatles!
We want The Beatles!
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We want The Beatles! We want The Beatles!
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[cheerful music plays]
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[Delbert] Liverpool was a pretty
bleak place, bleak and lonely.
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The black buildings you know
and, uh, certain, uh….
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{\an8}very melancholy in a way.
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{\an8}It was kind of biblical bleak. [laughs]
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{\an8}You know what I'm saying?
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{\an8}I mean, those storms and the life shafts
cutting through and the…
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and the sea hitting up
against that seawall.
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[Gambaccini] Liverpool rock-and-roll fans
were very lucky
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{\an8}because they had the services
of the Cunard Yanks.
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{\an8}That was the name given to the men
who worked on the boats
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that went back and forth
between Liverpool and New York.
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And those seamen would bring over records
from New York.
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And this is how people
in the Liverpool area
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got to hear the Chuck Berry records
and other blues records and R&B records.
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[John on recorder] When I was a kid,
I was a fan of Elvis Presley
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and Little Richard and Chuck Berry.
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Until then, all rock-and-roll
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was basically about being black
and poor, rural South,
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-or whatever city slum.
-[man on recorder]Mm-hm.
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[John]And the whites had been
truckers like Elvis.
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So rock and roll,
this bit about when did it start?
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It means when did the hunkies notice it
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that it was something strong,
powerful, and beautiful.
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Julia, who was John Lennon's mother,
was a big rock and roll fan
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and played him illicit songs
like, what , "I Put a Spell on You"
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by "Screamin' Jay" Hawkins.
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So when he started his group,
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it would be a curious
combination of skiffle,
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which was the rage at the time
when Lonnie Donegan
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and rhythm and blues material
from the States.
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[Sting] Well, I mean, it was The Beatles
really who woke us all to, uh,
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{\an8}to, uh, black music in the '60s.
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{\an8}I don't think we would have heard it
without The Beatles.
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{\an8}You know, they record a lot
of Smokey Robinson songs,
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and so brought him [stutters] into, uh,
view so we owe a lot to that.
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{\an8}John was really into black music,
like a true musician.
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{\an8}I don't think he looked at it
like the real colours
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{\an8}just he just looked at it for what it was,
you know what I'm saying?
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[Gambaccini] It was at that famous
Woolton village fete in 1957
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that Ivan Vaughan introduced
Paul McCartney to John Lennon,
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he was a mutual friend,
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And Paul impressed John
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because he knew the words
to "Twenty Flight Rock" by Eddie Cochran.
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People tend to think they met,
and then, they were famous,
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but of course, there were five years
of hard work before "Let Me Do."
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And a few people came and went,
but George Harrison came in
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because he was a friend of Paul's
from school,
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and he auditioned for John
by playing the song "Raunchy."
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And of course, Ringo was the last one in
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because, famously,
there was Pete Best before that.
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And of course, in Hamburg,
there'd been Stu Sutcliffe
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John's great dear friend who died.
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So there were several other people
who could have been Beatles,
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or who were briefly Beatles.
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But when "Love Me Do" came out,
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those were the four people
who were The Beatles.
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[Cynthia] When I went to our college,
it was fantastic, absolutely wonderful.
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{\an8}I integrated beautifully
after the first two years,
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{\an8}took about two years.
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John was a rebel and an individual
and very enigmatic.
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I just couldn't resist him.
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I knew they were easy men in the world.
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In fact, I was going out
with a very easy, boring man at the time.
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You know, sort of almost planned marriage,
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and building societies
and saving up for marriage.
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Behind John just-just lifted me away
from all this,
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and the excitement of college,
of meeting individuals,
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new people growing up.
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And John just… was topped it all for me.
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He was just the most outrageous character
I've ever come across.
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And I loved him for it.
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[interviewer]
Who had to make the first move?
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Did the woman have to catch
or did he propose?
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Well, I say what is it a woman chases
a man until he catches her last,
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but I suppose in a way,
it was a similar sort of situation.
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When John first met me,
I had gone through all the gamut
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of changing hairstyles, and growing it,
and changing it to red
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and goodness knows how many other colours.
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When I met John, he influenced me
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because he did love…
he loved French film stars.
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He loved, um, the accent,
and the, uh, the mystery
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of Brigitte Bardot and, uh, you know,
knock-you-down-to-earth Liverpool girl.
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So the closest I could get to it
was to grow my hair longer.
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So I slowly gradually went
from red to blond.
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And that's how I evolved as the nearest
I could get to Brigitte Bardot for John.
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And tight skirts and black stockings
and all that business.
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[John on recorder]
I was thrown out of college,
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that's why I was always
getting expelled on.
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And although I've been me all the time,
you know, tell me now,
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I've been learning all down the line,
so I mean, I'm not saying
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I've been compromised.
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You're compromising by not smashing
everything you don't like
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when you feel like smashing it.
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The compromises within yourself, you know.
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[interviewer] One question I don't think
you've been asked,
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you're probably have, I don't know,
why are you called The Beatles?
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[gasps] Why not?
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-You got any other name, eh?
-[chuckles]
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It was the name John thought of.
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Did John think of it?
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-Mm-hm.
-Oh, John did.
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[interviewer] Who thought of it? Ringo,
Did you think of it?
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-John thought of it.
-[interviewer] John thought of it.
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John thought of it.
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[Gambaccini]
For the Please Please Mealbum,
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they included some of the rhythm
and blues favourites of theirs.
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And some of them, they'd been doing
in their live set
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because as everyone knows,
they were playing for hours a night.
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The one that is most known of these is
"Twist and Shout"
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because they recorded it
in the last ten minutes of the session.
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When John's voice was shot,
from singing all day,
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but he gave it all he could,
and the result is this
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on the edge vocal
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which actually is one of the rare cases
when Isley Brothers' record was improved.
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[John on recorder] The[hooting] effect
in The Isley Brothers,
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-uh, "Twist and Shout."
-[man on VO]Yeah.
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I mean, which we stuck in everything.
"From Me To You" and all that.
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[reporter]
The fans bought half the tickets by post.
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And then, 5,000 queued.
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Some of them, for two nights
in hope of obtaining the ring.
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[fans cheering]
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[reporter] The manager makes sure
that every member of his staff is ready
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for the biggest night of the year.
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Able to cope with a terrific
audience response,
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-"Here, There, Everywhere" by The Beatles.
-[screaming]
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[reporter] The boys show the press
their latest presents.
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They're a natural, these fabulous four,
bubbling over with fun.
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Getting as much kick out of entertaining
as the fans get from them.
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-[loud music plays]
-[crowd cheering, applauding]
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[reporter] When they come to your town,
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well, you won't need
any further invitation, you'll be there.
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[cheering]
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[interviewer]
What was it like when it all took off?
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I think the word somewhere is used
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[stutters] you used the word "joy"
about the best moments of it.
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That's a very strong word "joy,"
was it that much fun?
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Oh, yes, he said looking back on films
of the old days, the very early days,
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it was such, such a tremendous experience,
the joy of that experience,
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and nobody, very few people have gone
through that experience before.
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and appreciated it. And being
in the centre of it was frightening.
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[cheering, applauding]
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[Cynthia] It was just overwhelming.
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We didn't have time to think about
whether it was going to stop or carry on.
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It was just like… [sighs] it was just
something that went on and on and on,
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and got better and better
and bigger and bigger.
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And being in the centre of it,
you just got swept along by.
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[crowd cheering, applauding]
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[host] Were they easy to produce?
What were they like?
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Were they disciplined in studio
or did they muck about a lot?
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{\an8}I don't know to begin with. Uh,
I mean, they had to toe the line
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{\an8}to begin with, you know, and, uh…
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{\an8}No, they didn't really muck about, I mean,
they were always very dedicated.
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Of course, we had fun, you know,
it isn't to say we didn't relax a bit.
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Now, flange happened
to be one of those silly words
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that I always used.
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When… when John Lennon heard
double-tracking
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that we'd done, automatic double-tracking,
or other artificial drop of tracking,
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that we managed to devise
at Abbey Road Studios,
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he asked me what it was.
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And I said, "Well, it's a bit complicated,
John, you wouldn't understand,
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but it's all done by means
of a double bifurcated smashing flange.
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And this is sort of gobbledygook,
you know, he looked at me for a moment,
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then he laughed.
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And after that, when we used to do this,
he used to call it flanging,
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And it's still a term used today
in recording.
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If you flange something,
you know what you're doing with it.
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And flange just was one of those words.
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[chuckling]
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Um, who's really in charge then?
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I mean, when you got a band
as big as The Beatles,
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who really calls the shots
in the recording?
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Is it you or is it The Beatles?
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No, I mean, what actually happened
was, we were…
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It changed. I mean, to begin with,
I would say, "This is what we're gonna do
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and we're gonna be this long,
and this is how it begins, and so on."
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But over the first year or so, it changed
because they'd gotten such great success,
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and they were very quick to learn.
I mean, in no time at all.
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They'd learned all about studios,
and all about song writing,
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and then, admit they were going
all over the world.
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So after that, it then became
the leader was the person
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who wrote the song at the time.
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[George] They were very few songs
they wrote really together.
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Always in the early days.
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There's always competition between them,
and that was the great thing about them.
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I mean, it was friendly competition.
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They were trying always to get,
I went up on the other guy.
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[audience screaming]
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[interviewer] Those wonderful days,
the rollercoaster of Beatlemania,
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if you had to say one thing,
what was the best?
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I suppose, oh, I think the first trip
to America,
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when I was allowed to go with them.
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But I was always in the background,
and I was always protected.
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But to experience that, the sound
when we arrived in America
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at the airport.
We all thought they was screaming jets.
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You know,
the noise as we got off the plane
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to the tremendous screaming and shouting.
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We thought it was another jet alongside us
when we got out.
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This credible noise
of thousands and thousands of fans.
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I just… it's just so hard to describe.
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-The Beatles are the best!
-[screaming]
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How are we gonna get in then?
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[man] Hi, everybody.
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[John] I'd love to go.
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[Ringo] Hi, girls.
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[interviewer] What was the worst thing
about the Beatle's lives,
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at that time?
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[Cynthia] The lack of space, uh,
feeling of imprisonment.
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The fact that you couldn't go out
on your own.
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You couldn't go for a walk hand in hand
down by the river, you know,
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without constantly being…
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-We were constantly besieged by fans…
-[telephone rings]
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…by the press, by the fans.
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Oh, hello, yes? Who do you want?
Quick, speak up.
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Good news? [chuckles]
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-[Cynthia] Just constantly.
-[indistinct chattering]
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[interviewer]
As a pop star, of course, in those days,
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John Lennon was not meant to be married,
was he?
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Oh, no, it was disastrous.
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I mean, as far as the fans were concerned,
definitely not meant to be married.
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[interviewer]
Did your wife enjoy the view?
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-Uh, she loved it, who? Who? Who?
-[chuckling]
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-[shushes]
-Don't tell them that he's married.
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[interviewer]
Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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[interviewer] How long was it a secret?
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Oh, about 12 months, maybe 18 months.
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During the time that I was pregnant,
you know, that it was all very quiet.
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Did you feel resentment about it?
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Not really, not really, no.
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Again, um, perhaps, I should.
[chuckles] In retrospect I should.
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I should have been
a totally different sort of character
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during the whole time, but no.
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At the time, I was… I was concerned
about the baby to come.
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I was happy that we were married.
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And I was quite happy to keep
a low profile for the sake of the boys.
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[Cynthia] That was what Brian thought
would be the best.
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Then I was quite happy
to go along with it.
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[interviewer] Did you ever feel
that you were a rival to Brian
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or that Brian was a rival to you?
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I didn't feel a rival to Brian,
maybe, um, on Brian's side,
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he felt that I was the rival to him
because he did have a great love for John.
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John and I were very close
and very tight-knit.
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He had been going out together
for three years before we were married.
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And we had quite
a very strong understanding.
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[crowd cheering, applauding]
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[interviewer on recorder] You look
forward to the day when come and go
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as a normal entertainer would with a
certain amount of fans, there and so on.
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Nothing like the 7,000 over there today.
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[John on recorder]
Uh, were there 7,000 there?
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[interviewer on recorder]
Well, they'll be getting to 7,000.
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-I don't know exactly.
-[John] I wouldn't know.
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-[cheering]
-[chanting] We want The Beatles!
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We want The Beatles! We want The Beatles!
We want The Beatles!
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[screaming]
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[reporter 2] It's bigger New York,
but they were outside the hotel,
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so a lot of them got in, and you…
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you'll find them in strange… bathrooms,
and things hotted up.
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The New York Hotel
was a bit higher though,
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you know, it was sort of…
It was great big skyscraper.
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[chanting] We want The Beatles!
We want The Beatles!
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[reporter 3] School was out literally
at Penn Station.
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Fifteen hundred screaming youngsters
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were on hand waiting for their heroes,
The Beatles.
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A veteran police officer
called the mob festive,
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but potentially dangerous.
But that did not deter either the fans
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or according to police,
publicity meant for The Beatles
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who allegedly provided buses
to bring the fans to the Plaza.
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Police cordons were broken down
at one point by near-hysterical teenagers.
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One girl was trampled and taken
to Roosevelt Hospital,
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where she was said
not to have been seriously hurt.
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[indistinct dialogue]
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[reporter] Another girl fainted
in the mob scene.
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Her friends revived her.
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She refused medical attention,
and returned to the fray.
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[cheering, applauding]
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[reporter] Finally, police using
loudspeakers told the teenagers
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The Beatles would go straight
from Penn Station to Carnegie Hall.
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[man 1] After we get them out.
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[man 2] We want to get up to the street
whenever we can.
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[indistinct dialogue]
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-You, fellas, warn them.
-[man 2] Yeah.
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[man 1] Fellas, wait a moment.
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-[John] Okay. Oh.
-[chuckling]
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[man 2] Hardly as plush as the elevators
at the Plaza.
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Oh, that's very, very favourably.
Hey, look at that. Snap that up.
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[all laugh]
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[clamouring]
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[John] I think them, um,
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half of the crowd, at least, can hear
what we're playing.
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I mean, I can't hear what the boys
are playing, but I know what I'm playing.
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I think if they stopped and listened
to us, we'd be finished.[chuckles]
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No, it's only a joke.
You know, it's only a joke.
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[Gambaccini] John Lennon gave a perfectly
ordinary respectable interview
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to the Evening Standard
in which he told the journalist,
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Maureen Cleave,
that The Beatles' phenomenon in America
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had gotten to such a size
that were more popular than Jesus now.
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This was not intended as a comment
on religion, as a comment on Jesus.
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It was intended as a comment
on the social phenomenon
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known as Beatlemania.
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And, in particular, um,
the young people of America.
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His point was… that more young people
were spending time
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listening to and thinking
about The Beatles
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than they were about Jesus Christ.
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[interviewer] Tell me, why this violent
reaction to what John Lennon said.
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Well, I wouldn't call exactly
what I have done a violent reaction.
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However, uh…
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The Beatles, for a long time
have been able to,
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because of their tremendous popularity
throughout the world,
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especially, with the younger set,
have been able to, uh, say
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whatever they wanted to without any regard
for judgment or maturity
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or the wisdom of it.
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And no one yet has challenged them
to any tremendous degree,
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where it might count,
where they might feel it.
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[interviewer]
Wasn't this a challenge like this there?
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Wasn't it a serious article asking
John Lennon how he felt about things?
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Wasn't he just being honest?
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I suppose, you never can tell about him.
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His answers are so flippant,
and his attitude is so bizarre.
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Many instances, you never know
whether he's honest or not.
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And honesty is a relative matter
to the seriousness of the moment
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or the mood of the person.
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It would be the same
as if an American group, such as myself,
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or an American singing group,
sounded off on the Queen.
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And really took her to task and said
who needs her,
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and she's on her way out and the system
of having a king and a queen is,
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uh, ridiculous and it's shrinking,
and gonna fade.
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[reporter] Birmingham people
supported Tommy Charles' ban
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on Beatles' records, and in the Bible
Belt, some 40 other radio stations
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followed his lead.
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Worried that far-right extremist groups
might try to become involved,
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Charles cancelled his plans
for Beatle bonfire.
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But many teenagers sent in
their records and souvenirs
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to Waky Radio, nevertheless.
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They said, uh, get rid of The Beatles,
ban the records, uh, let's burn them,
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or do something with them, and, uh,
we acted, uh, of course,
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on our own convictions,
but we were backed up by the people,
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especially, the younger people
of this area.
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Are you ever gonna play
Beatles' records again?
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Brian Epstein wanted to know
when we were gonna take the ban off
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because of the… it seemed
that everybody was waiting
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for us to make the move, and that,
they want to know what it would take,
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and I said, well, I don't have a price.
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It's not something that I'm waiting in
for The Beatles to do. I just don't know.
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I wanted… I want them to make me change
my mind about them.
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I want to I want to see, uh…
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I don't know. I want to see him
grow up a little bit, I guess.
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[John] If he's upset
and he really means it,
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you know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry I said it
really for the message made.
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But I never meant it as a lousy
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or anti-religious thing or anything,
you know.
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I can't say any more about on that.
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There's nothing else to say really,
you know.
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No more words.
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[interviewer]
Linda you run this record store,
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how many Beatles' records were you selling
before this row started?
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Oh, quite a few.
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[interviewer] And since?
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They've dropped off considerably
because, uh…
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I mean, there, maybe, one a day,
maybe, one a week.
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[interviewer] The store hasn't thought
of banning Beatles' records?
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No, no. Of course not. [stutters]
We promote anything that sells.
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Well, I think, I think The Beatles
are real talented group,
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but I think that they need
to watch what they say
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because they're in such a position
that a lot of teenagers
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that really think of them
as something really big,
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and when they say things like that,
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some teenagers are gonna just believe
anything they said.
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[interviewer] What are you burning
your Beatles' record?
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Yes, sir, I burned them.
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-[interviewer] You burned them yourself?
-I already burned them.
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[interviewer]
How did you do it, I mean, where, how?
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Well, our Sunday School, uh,
at MYF, we had a program
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about The Beatles,
and, uh, we have supper in MYF,
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and it was in our backyard.
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So after we'd finish cooking the hotdogs,
I just put my records on there.
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What John Lennon said really didn't have
any effect on me
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because, well, I think for myself,
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and there's certainly no comparison
between Jesus Christ and John Lennon
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because I don't think that Christ came
to be popular.
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As a matter of fact,
he was one of the most unpopular people
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to have ever been alive.
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I think most people are Christians
and believe in God,
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and I'm just, I'm just not used to this
sort of thing.
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[interviewer]
You think it's pretty shocking?
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I sure do.
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I don't think
they were comparing themselves to Jesus.
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I think they were deploring the fact
that, um, teenagers, you know,
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like rock and roll
better than Christianity.
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The disc jockey Tommy Charles,
who started this row off,
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has said that he won't play your records
until you've grown up a little.
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How do you feel about that?
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Well, I don't mind
if he never plays them again.
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[Paul] 'Cause you'll see
this is a thing, you know.
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Everyone seems to think when they hear
or say things like this
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that we're so childish, you know, I
mean, you can't say things like that,
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unless you're still a little child.
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[Ringo] And if he was grown up,
he wouldn't have done the thing,
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because he only did it
for them to stop anyway.
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Do you think that Americans are out
to get you, that this is all developing
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into something of a witch hunt?
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It doesn't matter about people
not liking our record,
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or not liking the way we look,
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or what we say, you know.
They're entitled to not like us.
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And we're entitled not to have anything
to do with them if we don't want to.
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Or not to regard them. Uh,
we've all got our rights, you know.
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[reporter]
In the two shows of the Coliseum,
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The Beatles hoped for an audience
of 26,000.
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But as the fans began to arrive,
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it was clear that the first house
was not sold out.
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Only days before,
religious groups in the city
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had decided to hold a revivalist rally
on the same date
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to demonstrate that here Christianity
was no spent force.
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Outside the Coliseum,
this small band of small demonstrators
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was the only sign of protest visible.
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At The Beatles' press conference,
the questioning was friendly.
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The young people here
were fan club officials,
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and school magazine reporters.
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The only man to raise the religious issue
was shouted down.
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All the same, The Beatles had been worried
about their Memphis date.
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Here, if anywhere on the tour,
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the group would need protection
from religious zealots.
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I thank God Jesus Christ is popular
with me because he saved me 31 years ago.
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We meant more to kids than Jesus did
or religion at that time.
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I wasn't knocking it or putting it down.
I was just saying it.
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I'm not saying that we're better
or greater or comparing us
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with Jesus Christ as a person
or God as a thing or whatever it is.
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You know, I would just said
what I said and it was wrong,
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or was taken wrong,
and now, it's all this.
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John is deeply concerned and regrets
that people with certain religious beliefs
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should have been offended
in any way whatsoever.
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Brian Epstein, wanted The Beatles,
to appeal to as many people as they could,
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which meant that they were
to be universally… applicable.
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They weren't going to divide their
audience by taking stands on every issue…
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in that incredibly explosive decade.
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[reporter] One of you, I believe, it was,
uh, George, am I right? Uh…
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said that you couldn't comment on Vietnam
in this country but you could in England,
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could you elaborate on that a little bit.
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I didn't say that.
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-Maybe one of us said that but…
-[Paul] It was me.
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Well, you, I mean, you know about that,
anyway, you know, I mean,
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we could say a thing about
like John's religious thing in England
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and it wouldn't be taken up,
and misinterpreted quite as much
454
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,120
as it tends to get here a bit, you know.
I mean, you know, it does.
455
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,600
-But it was…
-Just say it again and again.
456
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,080
-They would come up with it.
-The, uh, the thing is that,
457
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,600
I think you know you can say things
like that in England,
458
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,480
and people will listen a bit more
than they do in America
459
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,640
because in America,
somebody will take it up
460
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,440
and use it completely against you.
461
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,360
And, uh, not having many scruples
about doing that.
462
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,360
And I dunno, I'm probably putting my foot
in it saying that, but…
463
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,480
You'll be explaining the next.
464
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,080
-Yeah, I know.
-[audience laughing]
465
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,920
Oh, well, it's just wonderful here.
466
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,840
Paul commented that they, uh,
467
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,920
were told
they shouldn't talk about the Vietnam War.
468
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,040
Because it was such
a divisive event in America.
469
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,720
But even so,
the little messages couldn't help,
470
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,400
but get through
as in "Revolution", John's song.
471
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,800
But in general, Brian succeeded, indeed.
472
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,680
You could probably say that "Revolution"
was a sign that Brian was dead
473
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,000
because it came out the year
after Brian died.
474
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,000
[violin music plays]
475
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,280
[Cynthia] The whole business
of losing Brian was a very crucial time.
476
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,600
I think that- that really upset everybody,
and threw everybody
477
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,880
in different directions.
478
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,720
And then, of course, when Yoko came along
479
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,680
that was another great break
in the whole situation.
480
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,080
But I couldn't alter the course of fate.
481
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,760
I couldn't have altered the course
of John's fate.
482
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,560
it was a hard battle to fight
because, at that time,
483
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,440
John was taking a lot of drugs,
so I wasn't talking to a rational person
484
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,280
during that period.
485
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:39,640
Then along comes Yoko…
486
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,520
and offers him, a whole new subject area
487
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,160
because her subject area
is not popular music.
488
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,960
And he's fascinated by the idea
of performance art, and conceptual art,
489
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:58,160
and… uh, she takes him to places
490
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,480
where he never would have else-
otherwise gone.
491
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,800
In art, usually artists give something
that's an object, made object, and say,
492
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,000
this is art, you know.
493
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,840
But instead of that,
art exists in people's thought,
494
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,720
and so, uh, we don't believe in just, uh,
making something and completing it,
495
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,040
and giving it to people,
but we like, uh, people to participate,
496
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,480
and, uh, sort of, all the pieces
are unfinished.
497
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,480
-And they have to be finished by people.
-[host] Now, now, we've… what we got here,
498
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,600
you were pointing this is,
you were explaining that, Yoko.
499
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Yes.
500
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,080
Tell us about this, it's what?
A broken cup.
501
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,280
That's just an example.
502
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,360
[Yoko] But this is, uh, supposed to be
a sculpture and it's a broken cup,
503
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,400
and, uh, an unfinished sculpture
that would be just made by people,
504
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,160
just gradually, uh, rebuilding it
into a cup.
505
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,480
[host] Uh, what…
Is the sculpture then the broken cup,
506
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,000
or the way people rebuild it with glue?
507
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,360
[John] Well, the thing is
there's no such thing
508
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,120
as sculpture or art, [stutters]
and it's just a bit of…
509
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,760
it's just word, you know.
Art is in everything, it's art.
510
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,800
And we're all art. Art is just a tag
like a journalist tag, you know.
511
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,520
But artists believe it, and that sculptor
is anything you care to name it.
512
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,720
This is sculpture us sitting here?
513
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,920
[John] This is a happening. We are here.
514
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,280
-I don't think this is art.
-[John] This is art. Yeah, I mean,
515
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,880
so, I mean, if you gave that to a child,
he wouldn't have any preconceived idea,
516
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,080
so you wouldn't have to say
this is sculpture or this is a broken cup.
517
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,680
He'd say there's that, there's glue
what you do? You stick it together.
518
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,480
And it's like your question,
I think you can say
519
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,440
that this is just a process of art
or process of things,
520
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,320
and everything's just a process.
521
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,960
[John] I always have this dream of meeting
an artist woman, you know.
522
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,960
Then I would fall in love with all that,
even from art school, you know.
523
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,360
And then, we met and we talk and that,
and then, I know… [stutters]
524
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,560
You just realised that she knew
everything I knew and more probably,
525
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,200
and, uh, that it was coming out
of a woman's head, you know.
526
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,560
It just sort of bowled me over, you know.
527
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,640
[Yoko] I was feeling very good being
in London,
528
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,320
and doing all my work kind of thing.
529
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,640
I was surprised
530
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,080
that there was an incredible, kind of,
poetic society in England,
531
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,080
and was totally impressed,
and also felt part of it.
532
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,520
Almost, there was a kind of empathy,
but, uh…
533
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,840
I think John is still the first one I met
that was kind of sexy.
534
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,920
[Yoko]
I mean, wow, [scoffs] he was very sexy.
535
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,280
[John]
She came over for a date as it were,
536
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,600
and I had a kind of little studio
537
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,600
which was really just a lot
of tape recorder.
538
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,800
And we made two versions,
and I was showing her
539
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,400
all my different tape recordings.
540
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,280
And all that, and I thought this is great,
and I was gonna put
541
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,600
[gurgling sound] on the tapes,
and she was gone [hooting sound],
542
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,200
and we did, we made a tape all night,
and in the morning,
543
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,320
we made love as the sun came up.
544
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080
[Gambaccini] John was the one
who had the reputation
545
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,640
as being the thinking Beatle.
546
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,480
So, no surprise there then when he goes
to his art gallery,
547
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,560
and climbs up and looks at this word
on the ceiling which is yes.
548
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,520
She was having a show at this gallery.
549
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,760
I knew the fellow that ran it,
550
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,720
so it wasn't too embarrassing
being a Beatle, anyway,
551
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,680
going into a shop,
never mind going to the gallery
552
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,040
because the other
or leap on anything else.
553
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:07,120
This is another morgue, you know,
554
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,240
-like a taxi, and you'll buy anything.
-[audience laugh]
555
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,560
So, and I have a bit of a hangover
about art to having been to art school,
556
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:18,680
and just like this sort of art attitude
of the so-called artist.
557
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,680
So anyhow, I finally got to this show,
558
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,880
and, uh, she had all these things on
like all these like hammer nail things
559
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,200
and on that clock there, you listen to it,
stethoscope, all the things.
560
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,200
And at first I reacted like, uh,
like a mug, you know.
561
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,120
Like the ones that they're saying
they don't get a badge, you know.
562
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,280
I was thinking, ah, [chuckles] don't fool
me with all this junk, you know.
563
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,840
So then, there was this ladder and a thing
on the ceiling. So I climbed the ladder,
564
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,440
and on the ceiling it said, "yes."
565
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,960
-You see…
-You see, so I thought,
566
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
oh, I agreed then, it's okay you know.
567
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,680
I mean, it's like those jokes while you're
looking at here you're dribbling down
568
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,080
-your trousers nothing.
-[audience laugh]
569
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,280
I mean, it's all sort of connected.
I mean, people get a buzz out of that
570
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,240
[stutters] in the toilet,
but if you put it on in a room,
571
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,640
it upsets them a bit
because they've got preconceived ideas
572
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,440
about where those messages should be.
573
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,000
-It said, "Yes."
-[audience laugh]
574
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,560
And if it had said no, I would have
carried on with my preconceived ideas
575
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,560
about art and artists, you know,
that they're all sort of yeah, yeah, sure.
576
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,520
But it said yes and that was enough,
you know. And then she came up,
577
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,120
and said, uh, she didn't know who I was,
and was saying,
578
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,600
do you like to hammer a nail in it?
It's five shillings.
579
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,520
-[giggles]
-So I said…
580
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,800
-He really won't say.
-I didn't have any money on,
581
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,720
so I said I'll have
my own imaginary nailing.
582
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,920
I'll give you an imaginary five shillings,
and she agreed with that.
583
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,680
She accepted that on the same basis
as we accept her work, you know.
584
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,560
I'd accepted her work, and that was,
that was how we met actually.
585
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,600
[audience laugh]
586
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,880
I did not find attractive in his art,
per se.
587
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,000
I think the initial attraction
was that he was a very attractive man.
588
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,200
He was extremely attractive.
589
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,880
[John]
But the point is, uh, it's her film,
590
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,520
-I'll explain what I think about it.
-[chuckles]
591
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,000
The point is that it's a portrait.
592
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,560
You know, and I thought if Renoir
or any of those people had made a portrait
593
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,120
of just somebody's face that never moves,
and just hangs on the wall, you accept it.
594
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Because it's, uh, people are used
to that, but this is a portrait on film.
595
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Also, well, let me say that, baby.
596
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,320
So there's three minutes of film
that was taken,
597
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,400
I'm spaced out to last an hour,
very slow motion.
598
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,800
So in an hour, in three minutes,
599
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,360
a lot happens to somebody's face,
anybody's face.
600
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,040
A lot of amazing things happens,
a lot of movement
601
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,160
that you never realise goes on,
and in this,
602
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,280
you've got three minutes
under a microscope
603
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,800
to examine anybody's face. Your own.
604
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,400
You can't be bothered sitting there
for an hour looking at your own face.
605
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,800
And amazing things happen,
the whole head changes shape,
606
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,520
your nose moves,
every part of you is moving all the time
607
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,680
which is known, but you're not aware
of this in everyday life.
608
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,480
But in her film, you can see it.
609
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,160
And when we showed it to her daughter, she
just said, "Oh, look his nose is moving.
610
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,520
[Yoko] John has a funny nose
and it's moving.
611
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,400
[John] All of that.
612
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,840
[stutters] And she went to somebody else,
613
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,160
well, um, a film about face for an hour?
Oh, yeah, sure.
614
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,960
[audience laugh]
615
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,880
{\an8}For 30 years, I've been struggling
with my hostility to Yoko Ono.
616
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,480
{\an8}I have tried to get over it.
617
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,440
{\an8}I thought the murder of John Lennon
would help, it hasn't.
618
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,600
I have so many resentments, um,
against Yoko Ono.
619
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,080
The number one being
that she stripped away from John Lennon
620
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:28,160
his brilliant sense of British humour,
the surrealistic kind of writing and, um,
621
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,600
and, uh, pranksterism,
622
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,640
that came out of Lewis Carroll
via Oscar Wilde.
623
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,400
Yoko thought it was silly.
She never understood it.
624
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,480
She imposed a kind of moralism,
a political correctness on John
625
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:49,080
that was… that really, um,
I think, crushed his originality.
626
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,240
And over time, he may have been
a happier person with Yoko,
627
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,240
but he was a lesser artist.
628
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,520
[Gambaccini] I don't know
if Yoko took the fun out of the job,
629
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,880
because I wasn't there.
630
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,080
And what happened between John and Yoko
happened between only John and Yoko.
631
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,480
I've noted that John could still tell
a good joke in an interview.
632
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,960
With Yoko, he may have been very serious
and earnest most of the time,
633
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,239
but he could he could still tell
a good joke.
634
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,320
[John] He's hammering it in now,
third stroke.
635
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,719
Beautiful stroke. Beautiful.
Now, how do you feel?
636
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,840
I know this is a terrible condemnation
of me,
637
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,000
but I just felt
like a man hammering in a nail.
638
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,800
[audience laughing, applauding]
639
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:36,719
Winner!
640
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,000
-I've gone live hammering it in on TV.
-[audience laugh]
641
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,679
-That's more accurate. Well thought.
-[John] Yes.
642
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,120
Let me, uh, can I be…
Just put my hat out for a collection.
643
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:52,360
-[chuckles]
-[audience laugh]
644
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,840
-[Yoko] Poor artist.
-[audience chuckle]
645
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,719
[audience laugh]
646
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,560
I'm having a bit of a tax problem.
647
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,920
[chuckling]
648
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,440
I think he was ready for something new.
649
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,440
He was dying to sort of find
that opportunity
650
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,840
to [sighs] spring out
of that scene that he was stuck in,
651
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,440
and just kind of do something.
652
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,480
And he was waiting for somebody to come
and rescue him.
653
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,080
I mean, he actually said that.
654
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,960
So when I came into the picture…
655
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,160
It was like no nonsense, let's just do it.
656
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,320
I could have fought. I could have battled
before the divorce from John,
657
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,080
but I knew that that wouldn't do any good
658
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,400
because people have their
own lives to lead, their own fate.
659
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:44,280
Well, I'm great fatalist,
and John had his life to travel on,
660
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,920
and I had my life to travel on.
661
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,680
We met for a short time,
that was ten years,
662
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,040
but during that ten years,
they were wonderful years.
663
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,000
Now, if I had tried, I had been aggressive
about the whole business,
664
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,400
it wouldn't have altered a thing,
it would have caused bad feeling.
665
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,360
And I'm quite happy as I am now, you know.
I have really no regrets about it.
666
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,640
[interviewer] Says you got
a hundred thousand divorce settlement.
667
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:11,840
Hmm.
668
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,520
[interviewer] Most people go,
whoa, that's not much.
669
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,440
I had to buy a house
out of that as well. [chuckles]
670
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,720
[interviewer] It doesn't seem a lot.
Did it seem a lot to you at the time?
671
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,760
Yes, [stutters] I kept visualizing
a football stadium
672
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,880
with a hundred thousand people in,
and imagine each one as a pound note,
673
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,640
that's a hell of a lot of money.
674
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,520
Because I wasn't aware of, uh, the amount
of money that was…
675
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,520
I mean, a hundred thousand pounds
was a lot of money to me.
676
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,680
And in a way, what John's comment about,
677
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,920
what it's like winning the pools sin
was quite true.
678
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,240
Because only a few years ago,
say five or six years ago,
679
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,160
it was you would win
the pools at 75,000 pound.
680
00:36:57,240 --> 00:37:00,320
And it, for a lot of people,
it would set them up for life,
681
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,400
but under the circumstances,
it was a bit rough really. [chuckles]
682
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,920
It's clear how you must have felt
about Yoko then.
683
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,040
Can I ask you how you feel
about Yoko Ono today?
684
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,200
[chuckles]
Very difficult question again. Um…
685
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,160
She's not my cup of tea as a person,
and I can only say that.
686
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:27,280
I can only leave it at that.
687
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,320
I don't want to get into any deep
discussions about Yoko but…
688
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,560
[interviewer] Have you met?
689
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,440
Yes, we met years ago. Mm-hm.
690
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,600
But [stutters] not since they left
for America, haven't seen Yoko.
691
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,440
It is said that the breakup
which was obviously so difficult for you
692
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,040
was also terribly difficult for Julian.
693
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,120
All that attention at the centre
of the world
694
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,520
as it were at the age of seven, and then,
suddenly, for him too, the divorce.
695
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,200
It was a traumatic change for Julian.
696
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,520
I had terrible problems with Julian
for about three years following that.
697
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,040
[stammers] Following the divorce
and the breakup,
698
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,440
he went through tremendously
difficult emotional problems.
699
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,800
[Cynthia] How do you feel
about those days, now,
700
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,960
looking at [stutters] these old pictures?
701
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,520
I don't know, you know, I can't really
remember that much about it.
702
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,680
I remember that sort of wheelchair thing.
703
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,120
[Julian] Uh, nicking that out
and roaming, bombing down the hills
704
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,520
on that, like a go-kart,
and that's about it.
705
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,800
[Cynthia] How did you feel about your dad
during those days?
706
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,760
[Julian] Alright. It's dad, you know.
707
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,000
-And there's mom.
-[Cynthia] As you grew older,
708
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,160
-I know it's difficult to you as well.
-[Julian] Well, I mean,
709
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,640
it was dad at first,
and it became Beatle you know.
710
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:41,600
And dad again, it's one of those
strange situations.
711
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:47,360
Cousin roller. That's great.
712
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,240
[upbeat music plays]
713
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,440
[man] That was one of the wheels
of John Lennon's Rolls.
714
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,080
It's a gas. If you're over 80, that means
it's fast. 6,000 pounds worth
715
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,240
of 1965 phantom, inside,
almost as marvellous as out.
716
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,080
Well, perhaps not quite.
717
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,760
Now, that the supercar has been dolled up
in the grand manner,
718
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,760
not even a Beatle could wish for more.
719
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,200
From front bumper to back,
it's been beautifully adorned
720
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,000
after the manner of Roman-y art.
721
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,520
The decoration cost 1,000 pounds.
Now, this John Lennon's car,
722
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,960
nobody can imagine what it may fetch
if auctioned in years to come.
723
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,760
-Oh, that was, that was interesting.
-At the time.
724
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,800
[Cynthia] Like, you went off
to Scotland then.
725
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,400
Oh, gosh, that was an interesting…
726
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,440
[Julian] That's what I went to Ascot
for the weekend.
727
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,160
And, uh, dad didn't tell me
we were going off to Scotland, wasn't it?
728
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,760
-Mm-hm.
-And we had a quick car crash over there.
729
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,120
I remember you telling me something
very strange about that accident.
730
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,120
That I was the only one
that wasn't hurt in the crash.
731
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:52,680
Everybody had a facial scar, you know.
Dad has one along the bottom.
732
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:59,200
Yoko had had one at the top, and, Kyoko,
Yoko's daughter had a gash across here.
733
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,160
And I didn't have a cut on me at all.
734
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,240
And they were all knocked out, and I mean,
what did I say to you? What was it?
735
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,800
I remember it very clearly, you said
that the reason, mum,
736
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,960
that nothing happened to me was
that granddad lifted me off the back seat,
737
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,840
just as the car was about to crash,
and you'd never met your granddad.
738
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,640
-[Julian] Yeah, that's a bit…
-[gasps] You're that boy.
739
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,720
As time went on and you went off
to America…
740
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,640
Hmm?
741
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,760
How did your relationship
with your dad develop then?
742
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,720
Um, well, I don't know.
743
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,560
It's sort of, um,
[clicks tongue] built up like, uh,
744
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,160
like, uh, and it was more
like a wise uncle, you know,
745
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:42,120
sort of relationship,
how it started off for them.
746
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,880
Sitting there, listening to what he was
saying, you know, not saying anything.
747
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:51,680
And then it… then we started getting
to proper father-and-son talk.
748
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,760
[Cynthia]
What are your feelings about Yoko?
749
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,880
Um, well, I respect her a lot for, uh…
750
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:07,160
in ways, I suppose because she's been
with Dad for such a long time and, uh…
751
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:13,000
you know, she's okay once in a while
when we meet,
752
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,560
whenever we get a chance to meet,
we have a nice chat.
753
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,000
Uh, that's about it really.
754
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,080
What John found in her
was a kind of stripping down,
755
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,560
stripping away of the extraneous.
756
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,000
The first album that he did,
757
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:35,720
where he, um, just eliminated everything
from the music,
758
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:41,480
and it's nothing but himself singing
with his piano with a slight reverberation
759
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,080
um, that first…
the songs were enunciation.
760
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,560
"There's nothing but Yoko and me,
that's reality", and so on.
761
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,840
That is a wonderful work of art.
762
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,560
I think that all major artists need to go
through periods,
763
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,360
where they strip everything away
and get back to essentials.
764
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,640
[Gambaccini] Of course Yoko influenced
John, it's there on the records.
765
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,120
He did a song about her
while in The Beatles,
766
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:06,360
"The Ballad of John and Yoko."
767
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,360
He made records with her
while he was still in The Beatles.
768
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:17,120
Uh, he made two albums with her…
after The Beatles.
769
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,800
Some Time in New York City
and Double Fantasy.
770
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,120
He made songs about her,
771
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,480
including the wonderful
"Oh, Yoko" on the Imagine album.
772
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,680
"Woman" on the Double Fantasy album.
773
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:40,800
There's no doubt about it,
she became a part of him,
774
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,560
and she was more important to him
than the Beatles.
775
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,320
We try and explain ourselves in what we do
like and I do it mainly through music,
776
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,640
and she does it through her art, like that
and it's hard to put words to it.
777
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,320
We did like those kind of things.
We're trying to communicate.
778
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,640
And communication itself is art
and art is communication.
779
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,880
[John] We shot the cover ourselves
privately and put out two versions.
780
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,760
And it was a kind of statement, as well,
an awakening for me too, you know.
781
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,800
This is me naked with the woman I love.
782
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,520
[upbeat music playing]
783
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,080
[John]
We're going to stay in bed for seven days.
784
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,280
Instead of having a private honeymoon.
785
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,160
It's a private protest.
786
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,680
[Yoko] For the violence that's going
in the world, you see.
787
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,840
Be sure that instead of making war
let's stay in bed for straight seven days.
788
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:13,240
[John] And grow your hair, the beast,
let it grow 'til the peace comes.
789
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,320
[interviewer] You're against revolutionary
violence, too, like your song.
790
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,160
Uh, I'm against violence, you know?
791
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,440
Uh, period. Whether it's violence
begets violence, as far as I'm concerned,
792
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,800
has been proved by what's going on
in the States
793
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,880
and protest marches
in Grosvenor Square in London.
794
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,360
The only result of that
was a lot of smashed heads
795
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,160
and front-page headlines about violence.
796
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,480
And it wasn't a press' fault
nor the cops' fault,
797
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,080
nor the minority left-wing students fault
or whatever they're called, you know.
798
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,360
It was just because the whole form
they take,
799
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,680
doesn't work, you know? It doesn't work.
800
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,320
Because that's what happens
when you do that,
801
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,760
and we're saying this is one other way
of doing it.
802
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,520
[music playing]
803
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,120
[interviewer] While you're in bed and
you're giving your press conferences
804
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,760
in pillowcases and all that,
805
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,640
-are you laughing at us?
-No, no.
806
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,320
No more than you're laughing at us,
you know.
807
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,920
I mean, we have a laugh,
we think it's funny,
808
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,680
that the front page news
should be the fact
809
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,520
that two people went to bed
on their honeymoon.
810
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,880
-[chuckles]
-We see the funny side of it.
811
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,240
And then in Vienna, which is
pretty square place,
812
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,160
there's all these beautiful photographs of
813
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,040
microphones being held to her bag,
you know.
814
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,040
-To wait for the bag to speak.
-It's rather nice, yeah.
815
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,640
We're serious about the peace bit,
you know.
816
00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:30,320
And what, as we said to you in Amsterdam,
817
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,880
the laughs, if we make people laugh,
that's enough.
818
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,640
-[male reporter] Can you come out?
-[John] No.
819
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:36,800
[female reporter] Why not?
820
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,360
[John] Because this is a bag event.
Total communication.
821
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,640
[male reporter] Don't you think it's a
little bit out of fashion, what you do?
822
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,680
[John] Do you think it's a fashion
to stay in a bag?
823
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,000
-What is it?
-It's total communication.
824
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,680
[Gambaccini]
The start of the breakup of The Beatles,
825
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,160
would be the start
826
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,520
of the attitude of John Lennon
towards his own life.
827
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,000
And having devoted
828
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,960
all his intellectual attention
to The Beatles,
829
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,760
to take back some of that energy,
830
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:23,560
and to spread it first
to writing his books,
831
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,520
then being in the movie with Dick Lester,
How I Won the War.
832
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
And…
833
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,640
that precedes Yoko's influence.
834
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,480
You can see that John was an artistic soul
835
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,480
who had a lot of different things
to try out.
836
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,920
I don't know how what I actually do
with the thoughts but they come out
837
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,240
on film, or on paper, or on tape.
838
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,800
I've just got lots of tape which I suppose
if I put onto paper, it would be a book.
839
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,920
It's just a matter of do I want to make
those tapes into paper,
840
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,840
or make the tapes into records?
841
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,000
[interviewer] Does it feel the same to you
842
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,560
when you're writing something on paper
and when you're writing a song?
843
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,320
Uh, it does now.
844
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,400
In the old days, I used to think
that song writing was this, you know,
845
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,200
an I love you and you love me,
846
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,480
and my writing was something else,
you know,
847
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,240
even if I didn't think of it
quite like that.
848
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,880
but now just realised through Dylan
and other people, Bob Dylan not Thomas,
849
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,880
it is the same thing you know,
that's why I didn't realise being so naive
850
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,160
and that, you know,
you don't write pop songs
851
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,000
and then you do that,
and then you do that.
852
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,440
Everything you do is the same thing,
so do it the same way.
853
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,120
John was the most original of The Beatles.
854
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,680
He was the most, uh…
He was an unusual person.
855
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,480
But he wasn't really the leader
because he didn't…
856
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,640
he was too individual to be a leader.
857
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,760
He was the strongest, most dominant
person in the early days,
858
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,040
because he was absolutely so iconoclastic
and outrageous,
859
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,320
and did amazing things and he was tough
and he was cynical.
860
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,080
With "Tomorrow Never Knows",
861
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,760
[blows raspberry] as with so many musical
miracles of The Beatles…
862
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,520
it was an anticipation of the future.
863
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,400
It's hard to believe it was
the first track recorded in Revolver,
864
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,160
because it sounds like the last
and it's placed last.
865
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,800
So that you have this wonderful
musical programme,
866
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,280
which then ends with what sounds like
a trailer for next year.
867
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,160
It's as if they were saying
at the end of 1966,
868
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:34,360
it's as if they were saying at the end
of 1966, coming next year, psychedelia.
869
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,480
Because "Tomorrow Never Knows" is probably
the most trippy song of all-time.
870
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:44,880
The message is very simple to understand.
Six words.
871
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,840
Turn on. Tune in. Drop out.
872
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:58,920
{\an8}[upbeat music playing]
873
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:02,320
[narrator] Turn on, tune in, drop out.
874
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,480
For this crowd of hip, young Americans,
these six words are shorthand
875
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,120
for an electrifying experience
most of them know well.
876
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,480
An experience called "the trip."
877
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,560
The trip is a drug-induced
mental explosion
878
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,080
that has changed their whole way
of looking at the world,
879
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,920
but for many other Americans,
the six words stand for something else.
880
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Controversy, crime and terror.
881
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,480
Turning on, tuning in and dropping out
is what happens to you
882
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,800
when you take a dose
of the strange new drug called LSD.
883
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,040
[upbeat music playing]
884
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:37,000
We'd had enough acid, it had
done all it could do for us, you know.
885
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,320
There was no going any further,
it only does so much.
886
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,160
-[host] What does it do?
-Well, what it did…
887
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:47,280
What it does mainly, is that it's more
of finding out about yourself, you know,
888
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,800
and your ego and I've kind of seen
such more psychological, you know.
889
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,880
-Whereas not psychological? It seems like…
-It will be in the end,
890
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,400
but I mean, well, if you have acid,
it is just
891
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,280
oh, oh, you know all about yourself.
892
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,120
Am I did it what, you know it's all that.
893
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,800
But this is just sort of a bit gentler.
894
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,120
[Gambaccini] John had taken LSD
895
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,160
uh, before recording "Sergeant Pepper",
896
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,400
but "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
curiously enough was not about LSD.
897
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,400
It was genuinely about
Julian's friend, Lucy.
898
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:29,080
And the picture in school
that's Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds.
899
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,320
[Gambaccini] The search for the meaning
of it all, of course,
900
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,640
took them to India, got them involved
with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
901
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,520
[John] The happiest time of my life
902
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,720
was in India in some kind of pit,
you know.
903
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,960
And I had some great experience over there
904
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,680
because I was meditating eight hours
a day and things like that,
905
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,640
and it is really some trip,
like acid with no worry.
906
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:02,560
Just sitting there,
muttering some word in a room,
907
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,280
and it's the biggest trip that I've had
in my life, you know.
908
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,720
[narrator] A million and a half Americans
are believed to be regular users of LSD,
909
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,360
many others still uninitiated,
admire its heroes and talk its language.
910
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,040
They go on pretend trips like this
with trick spectacle
911
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,080
from shops that cater to the hip trade.
912
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,120
LSD stands for dextralysergic acid
diethylamide,
913
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,800
a chemical derived
from a fungus that grows on rye.
914
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,280
It is not addictive like heroin
or cocaine,
915
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,520
but it's far more powerful in its effects.
916
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,840
Taken in a pill or sugar cube,
it acts in an hour and lasts up to 24.
917
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,280
During this time,
the user soars into another world,
918
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,680
where the consciousness
is vastly expanded or seems to be.
919
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,240
This is the famous psychedelic experience.
920
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,440
[John] Early paranoia and violence
are not part of the trip,
921
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,320
that's what happens on acid boats.
922
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,080
Then from there, you start…
923
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,760
I don't know, maturing or thinking
about the trip.
924
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,440
That the first effects
of the drug wear off,
925
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,520
and you start coasting along a bit
and you have time to look at the trees,
926
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,960
and that developed into the actual acid
scene, the psychedelic bit, you know.
927
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,560
And everybody was grooving on with flowers
and that, and then of course,
928
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,480
like any drug, it wears off
and you're back to so-called reality.
929
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,760
[male reporter]
Yesterday, John Lennon and his girlfriend,
930
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,840
the Japanese actress Yoko Ono
were arrested,
931
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,960
charged with the use of marijuana
and today they were arraigned
932
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,200
here at Magistrates Court in London.
933
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,680
He's the one who's known
as the most way out of The Beatles.
934
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,160
Right now, John Lennon is looking
very hard for his car
935
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,640
because if he doesn't get to his car,
he's likely to be…
936
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:41,040
[woman] John! She's horrible!
Cynthia's better than her.
937
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,680
That girl next to me this moment ago
said Cynthia's better than her.
938
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,480
[man] In The Beatles,
he's the sum of the whole.
939
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,520
They were a genius group
but individually, you know,
940
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,680
all contributed something to it.
941
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,360
and that's really what John gave to them.
942
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,720
He was really, in many ways,
the first punk.
943
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,120
I mean, it's strange to think back
to the '60s,
944
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,120
even wearing long hair was looked upon
as disgusting and awful.
945
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,840
[female interviewer] He's often said to
have been very aggressive. Is this true?
946
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,080
Uh, I would say honest, really.
He wasn't really aggressive,
947
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,720
because aggressive indicates you're trying
to get something out of people,
948
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,400
or trying to force things upon people
which he never was.
949
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,200
I mean, he's awful to fans who's shouting
and screaming at them,
950
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,160
and would refuse to sign autographs
if he didn't feel like it.
951
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,200
Whereas Paul was always
the charming one, the PR one.
952
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:22,960
You know, Paul made things happen.
953
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,480
And Paul really was the leader in the end,
because Paul organised them,
954
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,680
made him do various films.
955
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,840
[man] John was like very tough.
956
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:38,320
I mean, he had that ability to be gentle
and soft and was lovely,
957
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,440
but he was, you know, he was acid, too.
958
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:46,400
I mean, that he gave that hard edge
to The Beatles.
959
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,840
It does seem that on occasions,
John was aggressive, selfish,
960
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,280
little cruel,
961
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,280
and yet, you never have a hard word
to say about him.
962
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,800
You always defend him, why?
963
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,160
Because I defend the truth.
964
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,800
You know, and I knew the man,
I knew the truth of the man,
965
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,840
and the heart of the man
during my time with him.
966
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,320
Why should I say something
that I don't believe in?
967
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,240
He was wonderful with me for many years.
968
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,560
I mean… [scoffs]
969
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,720
I mean, it's impossible for somebody
to be wonderful all the time.
970
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,920
Paul once said to me,
971
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,200
"You have to understand,
972
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,840
John's mother was killed
coming to visit him."
973
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,920
That's a terrible thing for anyone
to live with.
974
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,040
She was fatally struck by a car
in the street.
975
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:43,200
How would any of us feel if we knew
that her mother had died visiting us?
976
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,520
So I completely understand
how John could have been…
977
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:49,760
an upset individual,
978
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,560
as well as being an incredibly imaginative
individual.
979
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,040
And I think to understand his behaviour
in the latter days of The Beatles,
980
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:05,640
you do have to see him as a human being
and not just one of the Fab Four.
981
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,640
[Cynthia]
Paul and John were a great partnership,
982
00:55:09,720 --> 00:55:12,080
and I think John and I
were a great partnership,
983
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,400
but there are occasions in life
when partnerships have to break up
984
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,880
to go on to form new partnerships,
985
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,080
and it did happen at that particular time
and it was, again,
986
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,280
not coincidence necessarily,
it just happened.
987
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:32,720
Brian's death, the complete, um, crash
of Apple, really,
988
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,960
because it was chaotic,
a lot of freeloaders, a lot of money lost.
989
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,360
You know, a very difficult time,
all totally lost.
990
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,160
They're all lost in their own way.
991
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,480
And of course,
there's always a catalyst in life,
992
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,000
and I think Yoko was the catalyst
in that particular time,
993
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,400
that created the break up in the end.
994
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,200
[poignant music playing]
995
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,720
[Gambaccini]
Whereas The White Album, 1968,
996
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,560
had everybody contributing
a lot of different material,
997
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,720
John definitely takes a back seat in 1969.
998
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,880
Paul holds it together on the Abbey Road
and Let It Be albums.
999
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,160
But there's a point beyond
which you can't stretch the rubber band.
1000
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,000
It just has to go… whoop!
1001
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:31,720
And it was over.
1002
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:33,960
[male reporter] Oh! Hold it!
1003
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,560
[male reporter 1]
Does this mean a business
1004
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,280
or emotional split within The Beatles?
1005
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,520
Actually, I think a bit of both,
but I think it's more of a break.
1006
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,040
He answers himself that he doesn't know
whether it's temporary or permanent,
1007
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,680
that's the truth.
I think none of us know that.
1008
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,680
But could be his financial interest
in the band,
1009
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,880
in the organisations will stay?
1010
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,600
Yes, contractually they have to
1011
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,040
and I think emotionally,
they all wanted to.
1012
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,600
They've never argued about money.
1013
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,280
What are the personal differences
that he refers to?
1014
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,480
I don't know, it's probably to do
with growing up and to do with…
1015
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,040
there was a time
when there were just four of them.
1016
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,800
but now they're married
and there are children and…
1017
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,680
How about that it's true?
Because Allen Klein's name is mentioned
1018
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:23,240
and Allen Klein is definitely disowned
in this question and answer by Paul?
1019
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,200
Because he doesn't like Allen.
1020
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,200
[male reporter 2] What do you feel about
the fact that Paul, apparently,
1021
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,120
is definitely dissociating himself
from you?
1022
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,160
It appears that he's antipathetic to you.
1023
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:41,800
Well, it's never pleasant
when someone appears not to like you.
1024
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,400
I think his reasons are, uh…
1025
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,720
are sad.
1026
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,080
They're his own personal problems,
1027
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,840
but unfortunately,
1028
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:03,560
he is obligated into Apple,
for a considerable number of years.
1029
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,760
[male host] When did you personally decide
1030
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,680
that Klein probably wasn't the man
you thought he was?
1031
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,520
Well, uh, you're concluding that I thought
he was something, you know.
1032
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,840
My position has always been the devil
and the deep blue sea, and…
1033
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,240
at the time,
I do whatever I feel is right.
1034
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,520
And although I haven't been particularly
happy personally,
1035
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,120
for quite a long time with the situation,
1036
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,200
I didn't want to make any quick moves.
1037
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,440
And I wanted to see if maybe, you know,
something could work out.
1038
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,080
[male host] Do you regret signing that
contract with Klein, now looking back?
1039
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:43,080
Uh…
1040
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,080
Which contract?
1041
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320
-It can be quite anything, can it?
-The basic American contract.
1042
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,440
That might be the one with least regret.
1043
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,320
That's very enigmatic. What does it mean?
1044
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,240
Well, Mr Klein's contracts [chuckles]
are amazing.
1045
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,960
-That's strange, though.
-No, no. They're cold, the opposite.
1046
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,600
I don't want to go into the contract
business because it's all…
1047
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,640
you know, let the lawyers deal
with the contracts.
1048
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,120
It's going into a Rolling Stone
article now.
1049
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,560
No, it isn't, 'cause we're not answering,
that's not the point.
1050
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,520
No, I can't tell you about contracts.
1051
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:22,000
I try not to regret anything, I'm not
playing games with you, you know.
1052
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,920
And whatever happened, happened, you know.
I'm happy now,
1053
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,440
and that's about all that is important
to me.
1054
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:33,920
That I'm enjoying myself.
1055
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,800
The main thing that Yoko and I are doing
1056
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,240
is to change the apathy
that all the youth have.
1057
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,120
Our job now is to tell them
that there is still hope,
1058
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,920
and we still have things to do,
1059
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,080
and we must get out there
and change their heads,
1060
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,800
and tell them,
"It's okay, we can't change it."
1061
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,680
It isn't over
just because flower power didn't work.
1062
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,800
It's only the beginning,
we're just in the inception of revolution,
1063
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,400
which is beginning of change.
1064
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,040
I know it's hard, you know.
1065
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,440
Christ you know it ain't easy
you know how hard it can be, ma.
1066
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,680
But it is hard. So what, everything's hard
it's gonna be hard tomorrow
1067
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,600
and it's gonna be hard the next day.
1068
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,320
So what? It's better to have it hard
than not have it at all.
1069
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,720
If it works, it's right
if it doesn't work it's wrong.
1070
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,920
[John] Well, nobody's ever
given me a chance before, have they?
1071
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,880
Nobody's ever given peace
a complete chance.
1072
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,760
Gandhi tried it, Martin Luther King
tried it, but they were shot.
1073
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,880
-But nobody's giving--
-You can't get
1074
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,480
peace in a king-sized divan
on we're talking--
1075
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,560
[John] No, you don't expect that
mainly to the revolutionaries
1076
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,360
who think they can get it overnight
by breaking
1077
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,080
by breaking down the buildings, you know.
1078
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,080
They can't get it,
we thought about this for months.
1079
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,720
This is the best possible, most
functional, and effective way
1080
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,920
of promoting and protesting
against violence
1081
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,120
that our minds combined to think of.
1082
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,920
Some people sort of discovered
a new reality
1083
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:56,720
and some people are still
sort of confident about the future
1084
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,280
that we too are, you know.
1085
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,160
Everybody's talking about all that
1086
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,720
the way it's going and the decadence
and the rest of it
1087
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,920
but nobody's really, not many people
are noticing all the good
1088
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,960
that came out the last ten years
1089
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,400
-which is the moratorium…
-[Yoko] Mm-hm.
1090
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,880
…and the vast gathering of people
in Woodstock
1091
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,640
which is the biggest mass of people
ever gathered together
1092
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,760
for anything other than war.
1093
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,440
Nobody had that big an army
that didn't kill somebody
1094
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,760
or have some kind of,
you know, violent scene
1095
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:33,360
like the Romans or whatever.
1096
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,640
And even a Beatle concert
was more violent than that, you know,
1097
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,920
and that was just 50,000.
1098
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,600
And so, the good things
that came out were,
1099
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,640
were all this fast peaceful movement,
you know.
1100
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:48,320
If you can't have a beautiful time there,
1101
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,520
then don't have it
and stay at home in bed.
1102
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:56,440
The only way to get them to understand you
is to extend your hand
1103
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,920
and really try to open their minds up,
and try to give your love, you know.
1104
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,440
That's the only way
that they will come around.
1105
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,440
[John] They know how to beat people up.
1106
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:06,520
They know how to gas them
1107
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,160
and they have- they have the arms
and the equipment,
1108
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,200
and the mistake was made
that the kids ended up
1109
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,520
playing their game of violence, you know.
1110
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:16,920
And they know how to be violent.
1111
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,080
They've been running it on violence
for 2,000 years
1112
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,600
or million or whatever it is.
1113
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:27,160
And nobody can tell me that violence is
the way after all that time, you know.
1114
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:30,880
There must be another way
but a lot of people fell for it
1115
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,600
and it's understandable in a way
1116
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,080
because when the bully's
actually right there,
1117
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,160
it's pretty hard to say,
"Turn the other cheek, baby."
1118
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,680
When we were in touch with the Berkeley
kids during that, whatever was going on,
1119
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,720
we were peacefully doing our peace
demonstration in Montreal bed
1120
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:52,120
and then, we suddenly were connected
by phone directly to them, you know.
1121
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,120
And they were saying, "Help us, you know,"
1122
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,800
or "what are we gonna do,
it's gonna go wrong," you know.
1123
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,320
and this is the people
who are organizing it
1124
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,200
but they were saying
"it's out of our control" and that
1125
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,680
and "what can we say," you know,
and of course, I haven't got any solution.
1126
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,640
There's no path
worth losing your life for.
1127
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,640
You know, I don't believe in anything
else.
1128
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,640
And I don't believe there's any path
or anything worth getting shot for.
1129
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,320
And you can do better
by moving on to another city
1130
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,600
or going to Canada or go anywhere.
1131
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,160
And then they've got nothing to attack
and nobody to point a finger at.
1132
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,280
[clamouring]
1133
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,960
[John] A festival is more like it, man.
1134
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,880
You know, sing Hare Krishna or something,
1135
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,640
but don't move about
if it aggravates the pig.
1136
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,400
[Yoko] And don't worry if it works or not.
1137
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,720
Everything works if you believe in it.
1138
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,280
Don't get hassled by the cops
and don't play their games.
1139
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,280
My position on violence is
I don't believe in it.
1140
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:03,720
I think we all have violent tendencies
I think it can be channelled.
1141
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,520
I think violence begets violence
1142
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,600
as proved by the various marches
and things
1143
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:12,720
that that always end up with cops
and people getting beaten up
1144
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,240
or cops beating up people
or whatever it is.
1145
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,400
And I think marching and placards is okay
for the '30s when people wanted bread
1146
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,080
and then it sort of had some impact
on people.
1147
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:27,120
But nowadays people are blasé about warn
blasé about placards of marching
1148
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,400
and I think there's many ways
of protesting
1149
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,840
and this bed-in is one of them,
it mightn't suit you.
1150
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,240
But you think of your own ideas.
1151
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,360
That's all we're trying to do
is make you aware
1152
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,000
that there are other forms of protest.
1153
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,560
And if you get, uh--
1154
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,960
If you do a nonviolent protest like some
guy said happened in Berkeley
1155
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,480
and then you get beaten up,
1156
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,360
all that means it's like sitting
on the seashore
1157
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,320
and you went in the deep end.
1158
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,560
You went where the current was
1159
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,240
so you've had the warning
that this place is dangerous to swim in.
1160
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,280
So you retire, think about it
and make your next move.
1161
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,960
Don't make the same move again
because then they're gonna beat you again.
1162
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,160
The Woodstock, Isle of Wight
all the mass meetings of the youth
1163
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,520
is completely positive for me.
1164
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,080
And the fact
that now we're all getting to know,
1165
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,240
we're always showing our flags, you know.
1166
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,160
And you show your flag,
you're not alone, you know.
1167
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,640
It's like we no need to be the- a few
Christian martyrs
1168
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,480
because there's lots of us.
1169
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,800
And don't be afraid because, uh…
1170
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,480
They do look after you whoever's up there,
you know, if you get on with it.
1171
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,880
And I'm completely positive
and when I'm negative, I've got Yoko,
1172
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,600
who is just as strong as me
and it helps, you know.
1173
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,720
And just… It is only the beginning.
1174
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,320
[stammers] This '60s bit was just a sniff
1175
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,680
that the '60s was just waking up
in the morning, you know,
1176
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,960
and we haven't even got to dinnertime yet.
1177
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,760
And I can't wait, you know,
I just can't wait.
1178
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:53,600
I'm so glad to be around,
1179
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,760
and it just gonna be great
and there's gonna be more and more of us
1180
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,880
and whatever you thinking there,
1181
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:05,040
Mrs Grundy of South Birmingham on toast,
you know, you don't stand a chance.
1182
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,400
A, you're not gonna be there
when we runnin' it,
1183
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,560
and B, you gonna like it when you get
less frightened of it, you know.
1184
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,640
And it's gonna be wonderful
and I believe it,
1185
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,280
and of course, we all get depressed
and down about it
1186
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,040
but when I'm down or when John and
Yoko's down
1187
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,680
Desmond will be up
or somebody else will be up there.
1188
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,920
Always somebody carrying the flag
and beating the drum, you know.
1189
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,920
So they, whoever they are,
don't stand a chance
1190
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,640
because they can't beat love
because all those old bits from religion
1191
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,960
and about love
being all powerful is true, you know.
1192
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,760
And that's the bit they can't do.
They can't handle it.
1193
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,480
Anybody can put on paper
1194
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,200
what our government
and the American government etcetera
1195
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,600
and the Russian-Chinese,
what they are actually trying to do
1196
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,520
you know, on how would what
they think they're doing.
1197
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,760
I'd be very pleased to know
what they think they're doing it.
1198
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,400
I think they're all insane, you know.
1199
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,480
But I'm liable to be put away as insane
for expressing that, you know,
1200
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,080
That's what's insane about it.
1201
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,800
[Gambaccini] John's solo music started off
as experimental
1202
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,720
and then they released some unusual stuff…
1203
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,400
on Apple…
1204
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:20,560
or Zapple which was for the really
experimental stuff.
1205
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,640
And of course, they did
"Unfinished music: Life with the Lions"
1206
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,840
number two I think, it was called.
1207
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,440
Anyway, it included, um…
1208
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,240
the sound of Yoko's miscarried baby,
the heartbeat Yoko's miscarried baby.
1209
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,800
This was obviously not the stuff
of a pop hit
1210
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:41,440
and, um…
1211
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:48,880
her screaming on this record
was greeted with derision.
1212
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:56,840
Part of the problem was that Yoko
besides not being a pop music artist
1213
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,840
was a woman
1214
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,320
just before feminism.
1215
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:05,960
So it was easier to write her off.
1216
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,160
She was oriental,
1217
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,200
so it's easy to be racist
1218
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,399
and she was older than John
1219
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,359
so she was on the wrong side of 30.
1220
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,760
And so, it was it was easy
to not take her seriously.
1221
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,040
You had a woman who was there
in the limelight with John,
1222
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,560
and obviously,
having a profound influence on him,
1223
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,240
but she was so different
from the world of The Beatles
1224
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:46,319
that the general public just didn't even
want to go there and check her out.
1225
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,720
They just wanted to say non-Beatle.
1226
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,720
That's why she has the reputation as the
woman who broke up The Beatles.
1227
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,399
[male host] Why are you being deported?
1228
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,399
Well, the sort of official reason
is something about
1229
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:02,000
uh, we overstayed, both of us.
1230
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,520
So that's reason enough to throw us out.
1231
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,399
The other official reason is that
that I was busted in England for pot
1232
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,840
and the real reason
is because I'm a peacenik.
1233
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:16,960
John, far from being
1234
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:21,720
the divinity in the eyes of the American
government, was persona non grata.
1235
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,439
Richard Nixon was president,
1236
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:26,319
J Edgar Hoover was the head of the FBI.
1237
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,560
Uh, these were people
who with hindsight we know
1238
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:33,960
took liberties…
1239
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:38,880
with the law.
1240
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,800
I feel like I'm back in school again,
you know,
1241
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,040
I've been in trouble all my life,
one way or the other,
1242
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,800
and I'm back to see the head, you know.
1243
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,040
And this time they don't cane me,
that's all. They don't beat me anymore.
1244
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,640
[male reporter] You say you've been in
trouble all your life, why is that?
1245
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,279
I'm just one of those faces,
you know, people never like my face.
1246
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,760
Teachers used to get furious about it.
1247
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,880
Is it because you're anti-establishment?
1248
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,200
I guess it must show on the face, yeah.
1249
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,840
Whereas a normal person
1250
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,520
would have found it easier
to get his green card but John…
1251
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:11,680
found it difficult.
1252
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,680
Nixon was afraid that he would lead riots
1253
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,200
or demonstrations by young people
against the government.
1254
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,280
Do you think that you will be deported?
1255
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,600
I have no idea
maybe it's just a process. I don't--
1256
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,280
We're gonna go in, we're late, you know.
1257
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,520
We'll see you when we come out
if you want.
1258
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,280
We have a number of matters
we have to take care of.
1259
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,280
Immigration is asking me to do really is
to take a decision
1260
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,960
on whether choosing
my husba- husband or my child.
1261
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,080
And it's a terrible situation to be in.
1262
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,560
[male reporter] Well, you know, stop
speaking out against the war because--
1263
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,920
No, nothing will stop me
and whether I'm here or wherever I may be…
1264
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,480
It took years for John
to get his complete permission.
1265
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,880
Neil Sedaka wrote a song
about his problems called "The Immigrant."
1266
01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:01,520
And there was tremendous support for him
from the people until he finally won.
1267
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,520
I wanna take this opportunity
to thank all the kids and the fans
1268
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,280
who wrote to all their Senators
and their petitions
1269
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,800
and all the rest of it that were working
behind the scenes for five years
1270
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,480
with no pay or no nothing, actually,
just a smile.
1271
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,080
Do you bear any grudge
against the Strom Thurmonds
1272
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,760
and the John Mitchells for putting you
through this all these years?
1273
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,360
No, I believe time wounds all heels.
[chuckles]
1274
01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:25,120
John had this romantic notion
of New York City.
1275
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:27,480
He loved it.
1276
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,760
He said he could go anywhere
without being hassled,
1277
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,680
he'd found personal happiness.
1278
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:39,000
He earned that enjoyment.
1279
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,480
So in a way, we should be glad
1280
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,240
that he took out the five years
to be a house husband
1281
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,040
because those were the five years…
1282
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,280
that were the equivalent
of anyone else's retirement.
1283
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,480
He got his chance to be a private citizen.
1284
01:11:55,560 --> 01:12:01,160
But no person who has made a great
contribution to the human race deserves
1285
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,040
to be deprived of his full lifespan.
1286
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,320
[gunfire]
1287
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:20,520
{\an8}[male reporter 1] The former Beatle
John Lennon
1288
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,720
has been shot and killed in New York.
1289
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,760
News of his death reached soon after
half-past four this morning.
1290
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:32,440
A man of peace struck down by
an apparently senseless act of violence.
1291
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,800
John Lennon was brought
to the emergency room
1292
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,600
at the Roosevelt site, St. Luke's
Roosevelt Hospital this evening,
1293
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,120
shortly before 11:00 p.m.
1294
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:46,760
He was dead on arrival.
1295
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,920
[man] Numerous resuscitative efforts
were made
1296
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,920
after his arrival in the hospital,
1297
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,040
including transfusions,
surgical procedures, other procedures,
1298
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,920
but in spite of the effort
of many physicians
1299
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,440
and after many procedures, we were unable
to restore the life of Mr Lennon.
1300
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,560
Sometime shortly before 11 o'clock,
1301
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:13,960
John Lennon and his wife arrived
back at the Dakota in a limousine.
1302
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:19,040
They parked the limousine on the curb
right outside the Dakota.
1303
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,520
There is a driveway
into which they might have gone
1304
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,280
but on this occasion did not.
1305
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,320
They got out of the car,
out of the limousine,
1306
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,320
and walked into the archway area
of the Dakota
1307
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:36,120
to the right as you walk in the archway
area is kind of a vestibule
1308
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,280
which has a doorway, a glass doorway.
1309
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:43,960
This individual, Mr Chapman,
came up behind him
1310
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,960
and called to him Mr Lennon,
1311
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:53,040
as he arrived at that doorway
and then in a combat stance, he fired.
1312
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:57,840
He emptied the Charter Arms .38 calibre
gun that he had with him
1313
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,320
and, um, shot John Lennon.
1314
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:05,960
[man] Five gunshot wounds are not a
rare event on the streets of New York
1315
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,960
and yet just such an attack
in the early hours of this morning
1316
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:14,040
has left millions of people in the world
feeling personally touched by tragedy.
1317
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,440
Comparisons made today
with the assassination of John Kennedy
1318
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:21,440
are not entirely fatuous,
in just such a way as that day in 1963.
1319
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,480
So millions will remember exactly
what they were doing
1320
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,880
where they were, who they were with,
1321
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,840
that moment when they heard
that John Lennon was dead.
1322
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,720
I saw John Lennon got out
of the limousine.
1323
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:39,120
They walked into the gate and, and then I…
1324
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,080
I heard four or five shots, yes, yeah.
1325
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:50,960
I heard the woman screaming.
It was Yoko. She was screaming, "Help me!"
1326
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,080
He's not dead. You're just saying that.
1327
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:56,280
[male reporter]
The doctor just announced it.
1328
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,560
Yes, but I don't care they're just saying
that to get people to leave.
1329
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,480
He's not dead, John Lennon can't be dead.
1330
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,160
[woman sobs]
1331
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:06,080
[clamouring]
1332
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,760
I was very shocked, you know.
Terrible news.
1333
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,720
What were you recording today?
1334
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,200
No, just listening to some stuff.
You know, I just didn't want to record.
1335
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,560
-Why?
-Oh, I didn't feel like it.
1336
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,440
I heard about it early in the morning.
1337
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,160
I had a phone call from New York
about 6 o'clock.
1338
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,600
I was woken up by it. Saying,
"What do you think about John's death?"
1339
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:29,640
I mean, it's not a nice way to wake up.
1340
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,120
And of course, it's pretty shattering
and I rang Paul straight away,
1341
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,040
and said, "Look, I guess you
don't want to come in, do you?"
1342
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,640
He said, "I can't stay here.
Would you mind if we go into the studio?"
1343
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:43,960
{\an8}So we met in the studio
and we didn't any work we just talked
1344
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,160
{\an8}and it was the best way
of dealing with it.
1345
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,240
{\an8}[Gambaccini] A creep killed John Lennon.
1346
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,040
An attention-seeking creep
1347
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,080
who had previously considered
killing Johnny Carson,
1348
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:57,760
the host of The Tonight Show.
1349
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,160
[Gambaccini] I'm not naming this person
1350
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:02,680
even though we all know this person's name
1351
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,040
because these insects
1352
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,160
do not deserve to be mentioned
in the same breath as their victims.
1353
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,080
We have to understand,
1354
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:24,960
what a giant was taken from us
by such a midget.
1355
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:26,800
Total devastation.
1356
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,600
I've never experienced anything like it
in my life before.
1357
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,080
[sighs] Uh, It's very, very hard.
1358
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,720
It was a terrible experience for myself,
for Julian,
1359
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,480
for everyone who was close to John,
for all his fans.
1360
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,800
It was an experience I'll never get over
1361
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,840
because I relive it constantly
even though I wasn't there at the time.
1362
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,880
Because person that I loved
for so many years
1363
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,520
you know went through
such a horrendous death.
1364
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,560
[interviewer] I sensed that you never
really stopped loving John, did you?
1365
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,480
[Cynthia] No.
1366
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:09,040
[sad music plays]
1367
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,520
I know it's a difficult subject…
1368
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:26,960
and I wasn't with you at the time.
1369
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,200
I wish I had been there to tell you.
1370
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,000
Can you tell me how…
What were your feelings
1371
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,360
the time you heard your father's death?
1372
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,120
I… You can't explain it, You can't…
I mean, it's just…
1373
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:46,720
Uh, you know, it's too much
but we know how I felt I had to say.
1374
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,880
I mean, stay strong, you know.
1375
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,080
'cause I mean, you'd known him more
than I had… longer.
1376
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,880
And to keep you from going through it,
you know.
1377
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,480
You don't feel any bitterness
or hate about it, do you?
1378
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,840
[clicks tongue] Uh, well, I…
1379
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:10,000
-The guy who did it?
-Yeah. The whole act of…
1380
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,040
Well, obviously, there was a bit of anger
crushed up inside, you know,
1381
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,440
but there's nothing I could do about it.
1382
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,360
It was… I mean, obviously such a shock
1383
01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:28,560
because assassination is something
which, you know, up until that time hadn't
1384
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,400
really got down to the that level.
1385
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:35,760
I mean, it was always presidents
and leaders, and all that.
1386
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,760
And I wouldn't think, you know,
somebody who's a pop star
1387
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,760
was important enough to kill.
1388
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,600
You know, it's a terrible thing.
1389
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,520
I don't think anybody
is important enough to kill
1390
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,840
[sad music plays]
1391
01:18:55,960 --> 01:19:00,720
[Gambaccini] It's so senseless.
It's an appalling, abhorrent crime.
1392
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:09,920
And also, annoying
from an artistic point of view
1393
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,360
because the album
that he was promoting Double Fantasy
1394
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:15,880
was proof that he still had it in him.
1395
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,800
Just like starting over
was a very good pop record "Woman"
1396
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,440
was wonderful record,
"Beautiful boy", very moving
1397
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:28,960
"Watching the wheels", very perceptive,
1398
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,480
study of what it was like
to step back from fame.
1399
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,640
So he had more good music in him
1400
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,320
but he had more life left in him
that he deserved to enjoy
1401
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,200
because he had earned it.
1402
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,760
[Cynthia] You've told me about this story
when you were in America…
1403
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:46,680
Mmm.
1404
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,080
…two years before dad died
about the feather.
1405
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,360
Can you tell me more about that?
1406
01:19:52,440 --> 01:19:57,440
No, really, yeah, now he just said
that if he was to pop off one day
1407
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,280
that, um, that
1408
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,600
that, um, if there was a way
of getting through to me,
1409
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,400
he'd float a white feather across the room
1410
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:09,600
not down or anything just straight across.
1411
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:12,880
So I've been looking now and then
for something.
1412
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:16,480
But I think if you look too much,
you're not gonna find it, you know.
1413
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,200
Let it happen, if it does, it does.
1414
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,680
[Cynthia]
Did you believe in life after death?
1415
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,280
Yeah, I think there's something going on
out there.
1416
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:25,840
After he had been killed,
1417
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:29,240
and there had been so many tributes,
1418
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,280
the one that brought me
to the verge of tears
1419
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:40,680
was in the pharmacist around the corner
from the Dakota
1420
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,680
which had a picture of him in the window
1421
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:48,440
that said, "We will never forget the
example of our dear John Lennon."
1422
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:56,720
[stammers] And this was like…
an honour from the village.
1423
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,600
This was the neighbourhood people saying,
1424
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,200
"Thank you for being yourself."
1425
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:09,480
[Yoko] He's still alive
1426
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,040
very much alive in people's memories.
1427
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:17,360
And his words and music
are still growing in people,
1428
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,320
and bringing wisdom to the world.
1429
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,320
And I'm just…
1430
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,040
If anything, I'm getting the benefit of it
1431
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,960
in a sense that, um, I might be
overshadowed
1432
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,400
some people might think
that I'm overshadowed
1433
01:21:33,480 --> 01:21:37,240
but I'm in the shade
of this beautiful tree
1434
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,240
and the tree is protecting me.
1435
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:44,000
We've got the gift of love, you know,
love is like, uh…
1436
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:46,360
a precious plant, you know.
1437
01:21:46,440 --> 01:21:48,520
You can't just accept it
and leave it in the cupboard
1438
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,080
or just think it's gonna get on with
itself or like a pet, you know.
1439
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,920
That's Desmond. [chuckles]
1440
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,560
You've got to keep watering it, you know.
1441
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,000
You've got to really look after it and…
1442
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:01,040
love, you have to water
and be careful of it
1443
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:03,560
and keep the flies off
1444
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,640
and see, that it's alright and nurture it,
you know.
1445
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,160
And to get a relationship
between two people is the start
1446
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,880
and then if we two can make it
maybe we can make it with you, you know.
1447
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:15,920
Mm-hm.
1448
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:21,680
And from maybe us four, you and yours
can make it with the next four.
1449
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:25,040
[sad music plays]