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THIS DOCUMENTARY HAS BEEN FILMED OVER THE COURSE OF NINE YEARS
WHAT STARTED OUT AS A FILM ABOUT A TEENAE WHISTLEBLOWER'S INVOLVEMENT WITH WIKILEAKS
TURNED OUT TO BE MUCH MORE THAN THAT
THIS IS THE UNUSUAL STORY OF SIGURDUR THORDARSON
This case is one of the strangest ones I've ever worked on.
Even by Icelandic standards, and trust me, we have weird ones.
One of Julian Assange's top volunteers for WikiLeaks was actually an FBI informant.
We're here because a journalist is being prosecuted.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA VS. JULIAN PAUL ASSANGE
The main witness in the FBI case against Julian Assange -
17-YEAR OLD TEENAGER - is named Sigurdur Thordarson.
Thordarson lied against Julian.
There was no hacking. There was no conspiracy.
Thordarson lied!
He is one of the most famous con artists in Iceland.
Sigurdur Thordarson, also known as "Siggi the Hacker".
You'd think that the entire case would collapse.
So a key witness against WikiLeaks has now admitted to lying.
AND/OR ILLEGALLY OBTAIN
It's basically a testimony of a liar, a paedophile and a criminal.
A DANGEROUS BOY
SIGURDUR A.K.A. SIGGI THE HACKER
I'm thinking, Siggi, maybe if you could just walk -
from where you are now and then walk inside the door.
Start sitting there on the bench -
and then you get up, and then you just walk inside.
Yeah, go ahead.
REYKJAVIK PRISON ICELAND
Working for WikiLeaks was, you know, quite exciting times.
It was like in a Hollywood movie -
where you infiltrate government systems and read classified information.
The White House, blasting the release of over 90,000 US military records.
Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks is at the centre -
of hundreds of thousands of secret documents that have made their way online.
By setting up an online electronic drop box -
where whistleblowers around the world could anonymously upload -
sensitive and suppressed information.
I was a famous teenage computer hacker in Australia.
Assange has made WikiLeaks a global force -
and for better or worse exposed -
what he considers some of the world's darkest secrets.
How would a film about you look?
I have no idea. Quite good, I think.
But no, I have no idea.
People will have to make their own opinion of me.
IS THIS THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN IN ICELAND?
Hopefully, I'm a good bad guy.
SIGGI'S MOTHER
- Have you started? - Yeah, yeah.
He was a good kid. Inventive.
Happy, but introvert.
He didn't have a lot of people around him or friends.
But he was very happy and got on by himself.
We didn't know about these talents -
and what he was doing on the computer, because we didn't understand it.
I remember once that he hacked a computer -
when he was 9-10.
He hacked the school system and changed the grades of people he didn't like.
They suspected him of doing it, anyway.
He said he did it. I don't know more about that case.
I was travelling with my family, we were on vacation.
I ended up next to this guy on the airplane -
who was the CEO of Milestone's tax and legal division -
and had some computer problems.
After 10 minutes with the computer -
I managed to end some processes and the computer lived throughout the flight.
After that, he said he might have some computer jobs for me.
He said he was helping him with computers. How to do this and that.
And since I'm no good with computers, I had no idea what he was doing.
I wasn't happy about it. He was a young boy, only 15 or 16.
I found it so strange that this man needed his help.
Very strange.
After the flight, I went to his house, fixed the computers.
Later on, we went to a bunch of other houses -
that were connected to Milestone and all companies connected to that lawyer -
and we fixed some computers.
I realised that the computers had
quite a lot of confidential material -
about the Icelandic banking system, about financial companies in Iceland -
about individuals connected to the political life.
I noticed that the actions of the company might not be legitimate.
I tried to give the information to the Resolution Committees of the banks.
I tried to do the right thing.
I realised that nobody gave a shit about what the right thing was.
I copied the material -
and contacted a local newspaper and said:
"I might have information that might be valuable to publish."
And they published front page after front page.
Nine companies and homes were raided today in regard to -
alleged fraud at Sjóvá, Milestone and Askar Capital.
The global financial crisis hit Iceland first and hardest.
How is it possible that they allowed the Icelandic banking system -
to grow ten times the size of our GDP?
Bankers were shovelling up the public's money and spreading it around themselves.
His father got a call and was told that the police were searching his room.
I hurried home, of course, and found the police searching his room.
It was a terrible thing to experience.
One of my closest friends decided to contact the police -
and the lawyer for Milestone and let them know -
that the information being leaked to the media came from me.
A 17-year-old boy has been arrested for stealing confidential files -
from a lawyer employed by Milestone and Eidur Smári Gudjohnsen.
I leaked information connected to many powerful individuals in Iceland.
Even the financial minister is connected to those documents.
All he did was blow the whistle.
In this case, he was the one who leaked the files.
But the people who owned them should've been held accountable.
Siggi was introduced to me and Julian -
at an event that we were participating in.
Kristinn Hrafnsson introduced Siggi to Assange -
as this kid that had been wronged -
by a media outlet that had outed him.
We are a gateway for whistleblowers, who deem -
they're sitting on information that they think should be in the public domain.
I got a phone call from Kristinn Hrafnsson, who said:
"There's this guy that you'd probably be interested in meeting."
"Well, what's his name?"
"His name is Julian Assange." "Who the fuck is that?"
I started googling him, found nothing, The guy was nobody at that time.
But I decided to agree to meet him, and he said -
Yeah, he was holding a conference about whistleblower security -
at the University of Iceland, and I said, "Yeah, I'll be there."
When I walked in, he was screaming at the individual that outed me in the newspaper.
He was slamming the guy for outing a source.
So my first impression of him was, "He is quite good."
FOUNDER OF WIKILEAKS
After the conference, I walked up to him.
He knew who I was because Kristinn had told him -
and we spent maybe three hours talking about nothing and everything -
and politics, computers, didn't matter.
And what was your first impression of Julian Assange?
Some anarchist activist that was nothing but his mouth doing it -
like 80-90% of activists, "Yeah, we have to go do something now!"
And 10% actually do something that might actually change something.
I found out that he was one of the 10%.
We were like Batman and Robin. Some have said we were like father and son.
We both grew up experimenting with computers and leaking information.
Our youth is quite similar.
SIGGI'S FRIEND
Here in Iceland, a lot of people go to the pool after work to relax -
and talk football, politics or whatever.
Siggi happened to be there one night and started talking to us.
We didn't believe a word of what he was saying at first.
Then a lot of stories started to pop up in international and local news -
so okay, he was involved with WikiLeaks.
He's not your regular 17-year-old. He's bright, very polite -
doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, never gets mad, treats people nice.
A normal teenager would be running around having fun -
but he had his face down in his computer and world politics.
Many of the leaks WikiLeaks obtained were illegally obtained.
They didn't come from whistleblowers or leakers. They came from hackers.
- Hello. - Hey. How's life?
Life is fucking hectic, bro. It's crazy.
It's fucking busy.
We had this team of world-class hackers.
They just did it. We broke into emails of President Assad in Syria -
that proved he was transferring millions of euros from government funds -
to his own personal bank account in Switzerland.
We had emails from government institutions.
We had emails and passwords.
It's so surreal, being under the age of 20 -
and having the capabilities of having people to infiltrate -
the world's biggest governments.
We even infiltrated the email system of the American Senate.
We had emails from NASA.
Welcome aboard.
It never occurred to me, the consequences of what I might be doing.
One of the guys that I was connected to, LulzSec, is serving 25 years.
And then you start to think, "Shit."
A major takedown in the war against computer crime.
Authorities in the US and Europe just rounded up alleged hackers -
suspected in a recent string of high-profile cyberattacks.
What the fuck have I put myself into?
But... you don't think, you know?
One of those charged, Hector Monsegur, known as Sabu, pleaded guilty.
Law enforcement officials say Sabu and his associates are behind notorious hacks.
Why Julian Assange trusted me as he did is still unknown to me to this day.
I wouldn't have.
- Why? - Because I was that young.
I wouldn't have trusted me for a second.
I was way too young for this shit.
Just for today, I will not anger.
Just for today, I will not worry.
Just for today, I will be humble.
Just for today, I will be honest.
Just for today, I will be compassionate.
SIGGI'S PRIEST
It's unacceptable and irresponsible of this organisation -
to involve such a young boy in this.
Siggi couldn't go to school or work -
because there was always something to do at WikiLeaks.
He was up all night, working on chat logs -
delegating tasks and running through material that was sent in.
With all the people around the world who were sympathising with Wikileaks -
you'd think it would be easy to find someone -
that was more mature and better suited for the job.
But in Siggi -
Julian had a young man who did what he was told.
My imprisonment now is -
because I paid an individual under the age of 18 for sexual favours.
Sigurdur Ingi was sentenced last year for sexually abusing a 17-year-old boy.
In Iceland, the legal age is 15 years. With the restriction -
that if you are 15, your sexual partner can't be over 18.
If the other person is over 18, he commits a crime.
The age difference was 1.5 years.
How is that child molestation?
PROMISING HIM
AMONG OTHER THINGS
LARGE SUMS OF MONEY
I wouldn't say I was paying him for sex. It was just gifts, you know.
Like people give to their boyfriends or girlfriends.
This young man that he still has a relationship with -
over the phone, now that he's in prison -
they have a kind of love relationship.
Something that Siggi's never experienced before.
It's hard for him to express what it is. You have to explain that it's love.
He doesn't understand it.
It's hard for him to explain these feelings that he's never had before.
If he doesn't answer me for three days -
or if I don't call him for three days, then I start making assumptions:
"Why is he not communicating with me? Why is he not answering me?"
"What's wrong? Why has he stopped talking to me?"
"Is the media saying something about me that I don't know?" Blah-blah, you know.
But as often as that has happened -
there's usually a normal explanation for why he didn't pick up.
He was out driving or whatever.
To me it sounds like there are some feelings between you.
Some would characterise these feelings as feeling love.
How would you characterise it?
I have no idea how to characterise those feelings.
I couldn't imagine or couldn't guess even.
I have no idea.
This boy's parents pressed charges -
on the basis of a referral from the police.
In other words -
the police asked people to press charges.
The police called them and visited these people -
and urged them to press charges against Siggi.
Perhaps making them worse than they were.
SIGGI "THE HACKER" CHARGED WITH MULTIPLE SEXUAL OFFENCES AGAINST MINORS
Our heavenly Father, we thank you for the positive effect you have on Siggi.
We pray that the Holy Spirit will be with him and bless him.
We pray this prayer in the name of Jesus Christ.
Amen.
So...
- Half an hour to departure. - Yeah.
Hopefully, it goes well.
Yeah.
We'll see what happens. They're not letting us out of here.
- Are you okay? - Of course.
It's going to go fine.
We can clearly see that there is a consequence -
as a result of the leak from 2009 -
of the Milestone data -
which includes many people involved in the Icelandic financial crisis -
for example, the head of the economic police in Reykjavik.
They were after him for a long time. I guess it started back in 2010.
I have no knowledge of what the police were doing. They called me twice -
and asked if I knew Siggi and I said yes. And they said:
"Stay away from him, he's dangerous. He's a psychopath."
But they didn't ask me real questions -
so I told them to pick up the newest copy of Rolling Stone magazine.
There's a five-page interview. If you need to know something about Siggi, read that.
But if you're asking if he was being bullied by the police...
Like I said, Iceland is a small town.
You step on toes, you're going to feel it.
Those are the case files.
And this is Siggi from the prosecution.
SIGGI'S LAWYER
Do you think, in your opinion -
that somebody's out to suppress the rights of Siggi?
I really can't say, but it's obvious that Siggi has pissed off -
many persons that have a lot of authority.
I really can't go deeper into it than that.
SIGGI THE HACKER SENTENCED TO THREE YEARS IN PRISON
FORMER WIKILEAKS VOLUNTEER "SIGGI THE HACKER"
SENTENCED TO PRISON FOR SEXUALLY VIOLATING TEENAGE BOYS
CONFESSED IN COURT TO CHARGES OF SEXUAL ABUSE BROUGHT AGAINST HIM BY NINE TEENAGE BOYS...
AUGUST 28, 2015
NINE TEENAGE BOYS...
A man sentenced to three years for the sexual assault of nine boys last year -
has been released from prison after nine months.
He will be placed on electronic monitoring probation.
You can see here one news report about that I have been released from jail.
Can you read some of the comments?
"A psychological monster that has no conscience."
"Do you think he has finished? Who will be his next victims?"
"Amazing that this son of a bitch should walk free."
"You're disgusting. You're a monster."
"A man like you are the people that should erase themselves."
And here: "In my eyes, he's a rapist and a murderer."
"HE LOST ALL HOPE"
...TOOK HIS OWN LIFE...
The story was basically that their son had committed suicide -
but my name was never implicated in the story.
But people just made a guess based on the facts of the story.
COPENHAGEN DENMARK
I could basically just sit on a bench and look at people all day -
doing their... just busy with their normal lives.
It's interesting when people ask me, "How do you feel about your story?"
I say, "Well, it's normal for me." I don't know anything else -
but then again, normality is perhaps something we create.
Just before filming, you start eating candy.
You told me to get some.
You said, "You want some?" So I got some.
Now we have to wait until you finish your candy.
Let's go.
People of Iceland, you are not alone.
Julian returned to Iceland and we agreed to meet.
Julian took out his computer and started downloading something from a server -
which was the video later known as Collateral Murder.
Stay firm.
And open the courtyard.
I just estimate there's probably about 20 of them.
- There's one, yeah. - Oh yeah.
Hey, Bushmaster element, copy on the one-six.
- That's a weapon. - Yeah.
Hotel Two-Six: Crazy Horse One-Eight.
The video is about an Apache helicopter hovering over Baghdad.
The Apache helicopter notices that they have something in their hands -
which is basically a Canon camera.
Fucking prick.
Hotel Two-Six, Crazy Horse One-Eight. Have individuals with weapons.
They were just photographers for the news agency Reuters.
- You're clear. - Alright, firing.
- Let me know when you've got them. - Let's shoot.
Light them all up.
Come on, fire!
Keep shooting.
It was disgusting to see something like this.
- I think they just drove over a body. - Really?
Yeah!
WikiLeaks became famous overnight.
It became the biggest talking subject -
in the entire world in a matter of a few hours.
US MILITARY CONFIRMS AUTHENTICITY OF THEIR OWN CHILLING VIDEO SHOWING KILLING OF JOURNALISTS
IRAQ VIDEO BRINGS NOTICE TO A WEB SITE
WikiLeaks obtained a lot of information through the same source -
allegedly Bradley Manning.
WIKILEAKS RELEASES 250K DIPLOMATIC CABLES; WHITE HOUSE CONDEMNS - There is more fallout tonight
from those thousands of pages of leaked.
LEAKED CABLES OFFER RAW LOOK AT U.S. DIPLOMACY - US state secrets on the WikiLeaks website.
US EMBASSY CABLES LEAKS SPARKS GLOBAL DIPLOMATIC CRISIS - The state department has now cut off -
one US military computer network from its database of diplomatic cables.
The diplomatic cables were one of the parts that WikiLeaks released -
that contained information about diplomatic communications -
between US embassies and their allies and other nations around the world.
This leak is an outrage and it's going to cause incalculable damage -
to American diplomatic efforts around the world.
The United States strongly condemns -
the illegal disclosure of classified information.
One of my jobs was to travel the world with this information.
I travelled to Holland, Hungary -
France, Honduras, Mexico.
If I'd been arrested, I'd probably still be sitting in a US jail -
because the statute of penalty in the US regarding classified information -
is decades of years in prison.
And I can promise you we were not allowed -
to have this sort of information in our possession.
We weren't journalists, so we couldn't hide behind that idea.
We were just a group of guys travelling with classified information.
He's travelling for WikiLeaks but doesn't like to travel alone.
He's beginning to feel threatened.
He has these notions that state agents might be following him -
as he's carrying these diplomatic cables.
He asks me to accompany him to Paris and serve as his security adviser.
I agree, thinking it'll be fun to do some good.
At the other end of the scale, so to speak.
I've been on operations against Al-Qaeda, the Mexican Zetas -
Triads in Hong Kong and Macau, pirates in Singapore, Somalia. Sailed in Yemen.
Just sitting here, I can find 100 ways -
to kill you with 100 different things before you can leave the room.
I was never a mercenary.
I thought it was wrong.
But I want to protect people.
I think it's perfectly okay to be a security guard or a bodyguard.
Shortly after he turned 18 -
he came home with a plane ticket from Julian.
He was on his way to South America on behalf of WikiLeaks.
He'd be travelling with bodyguards -
to meet some journalists there.
That's when I'd had enough. I told him enough was enough.
"I don't want you travelling alone in South America on their behalf."
But he said he was 18 and he was going.
I asked him for Kristinn's number, Kristinn Hrafnsson.
I wanted to speak with him, but I never got the number.
So I tried looking it up in the phone book.
I finally found it and I called and called, but he never answered.
Then I asked for Julian's number. Siggi didn't give me that either.
And then he left, despite our objections.
You're travelling with bodyguards.
Is it true that you also travelled with a teddy bear?
No.
Yes.
Yeah, I travelled with it, because ever since I was a kid -
I've had the same teddy bear. His name is Bumpe.
He travelled every single country with me. It feels safe to have the teddy bear -
because he's never going to stab me in the back.
So you were travelling with bodyguards and a teddy bear -
and the biggest leak in world history.
Yeah, when you put it like that, it looks disastrous.
But yes. Yes, that's true.
It was really funny. The people we met -
actually thought Dan was the WikiLeaks representative travelling with his son.
You should've seen the editor-in-chief when he found out -
that Dan was my bodyguard not my father, and I was the WikiLeaks representative.
In Paris, I let him be the boss of WikiLeaks.
To me he was, so I pretty much let him call the shots.
But I quickly noticed that he was a teenager.
If we had a meeting at ten,
I had to kick him out of bed at nine -
because he'd been online all night long.
On the third day, I'd had enough.
I just started ordering him around as if he was my son.
I started telling him how to behave.
He loved McDonald's and we don't have that in Iceland.
Here we are in Paris, eating McDonald's because the boss wants to.
Heartbreaking.
Slowly we begin to bond.
We rent bikes and see the sights together between meetings.
As a result of these trips together, we form a close friendship.
Dan has helped me a lot through a great deal of problems.
If it wasn't for him making me realise what I had done bad -
then I'd probably never have pled guilty in my cases.
I'd probably still be saying it was a mistake -
the police fucked me or I'm innocent or whatever.
We were walking the streets of New York -
and we got this great idea to enter a spy shop.
And in the spy shop, we found a pepper spray pen.
We went back to the hotel and got this idea to try out the pepper spray -
just to make sure that if we got attacked, it worked. And...
Later on, we went to a meeting with Forbes Magazine with the editor-in-chief.
And my eyes were soaking red.
And they asked me if I had been smoking pot or weed.
"No, no, no, we were just playing with pepper spray."
"Aha, yeah right."
DO YOU WANT TO KNOW A SECRET?
From day one after the release of the Collateral Murder video -
Julian got paranoid. Understandably.
How should governments deal with the WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange?
This been, a lot of comments from other US commentators
say he should be treated as a traitor.
There have been threats to his life.
There's been incitement to commit murder by people in high places -
which is outrageous.
I think Assange should be assassinated. Obama should put out a contract -
and maybe use a drone or something. There's no good coming of this.
To some, a hero. To others, a villain.
The legal net has now closed in on the WikiLeaks founder.
Interpol is alerting police that he's on their most wanted website.
Assange has been arrested in London over allegations of rape and sexual assault.
Assange denies any wrongdoing, saying the allegations are part of a smear campaign.
Mr Assange's lawyers fear a fair trial in the US would be impossible -
as the leaked embassy cables have provoked such outrage in Washington.
Facing sex allegations against two women in Sweden -
the WikiLeaks founder was finally granted bail. Next stop, Ellingham Hall.
Julian thought that everybody was working against him as a result of his paranoia.
The only people he trusted were the people he knew before everything started.
So he started surveillance operations against people working for WikiLeaks.
Volunteers, etc., even journalists.
Everything was searched without the knowledge of the person.
So if you were a volunteer arriving at Ellingham, your luggage would be searched.
But you wouldn't know it.
I went through it very delicately.
- And you did this on behalf of Julian? - Yes.
All surveillance "ops" were done on behalf of Julian.
Julian got a copy of everything on the hard drives or the computers.
FORMER WIKILEAKS MEMBER
I think that the reason why -
Assange entrusted a teenager at the time
with a lot of the activities -
is because he couldn't get anyone else to do it.
Assange was extremely strict with -
never leaving a copy on our computers -
of any of the chats for security reasons.
It was part of a security protocol. I remember it very vividly -
because in the early days, I had forgotten to...
Nobody had taught me how to erase it immediately, the logs -
and Assange spent a full 15 minutes screaming at me -
for having kept the logs accidentally.
Where it's obvious that Siggi kept all the logs of all our conversations.
That's... bizarre.
I was afraid that with everything going on and my participation in hacking things -
I might actually end up spending time in a US prison.
I HERE BY REQUEST
A MEETING
AT THE U.S. EMBASSY
In August 2011, I sent an email to the US Embassy of Iceland stating -
that I had information regarding an ongoing criminal investigation in the US.
I say to the man on the other line:
"This is information regarding the investigation into WikiLeaks."
He was like an automatic machine. "We have no investigation into that matter."
I basically just told him, "We both know otherwise."
"If you want to meet, I have some data you might be interested in."
"If not, let's just end this."
He asked me to come to the embassy.
I thought I was going in for questioning.
And he said, "Well, let's take a walk."
We ended up in a hotel in Reykjavik where I was greeted by two federal agents.
When I sat down, I realised you know, "Shit. What have I gotten myself into?!"
On August 24th -
a plane with 7-9 FBI agents -
landed in Reykjavik.
The FBI wanted to interview Sigurdur Thordarson -
and use him as an entrapment -
by having him contact Julian Assange -
in order to create proof to be used in a criminal case against WikiLeaks.
The department head of the Ministry of the Interior contacted local policemen -
and ordered them not to participate in the actions of the FBI.
But the FBI continued speaking with...
After five days, they said -
that the Ministry of the Interior didn't want them to operate in Iceland anymore.
Originally, they asked me, "Well, you can basically choose where you want to go."
So I just said, "I've never been to Russia. Let's go to Moscow."
They didn't find that funny. They were very serious about that.
So they suggested to go to Denmark -
and the following evening -
we left with an aircraft from Iceland Express to Copenhagen Airport.
RECEIPT FOR PROPERTY RECEIVED/RETURNED/RELEASED/SEIZED
They kept questioning me as well as copying data from me.
WikiLeaks' founder, Julian Assange, may have temporarily foiled police -
if he remains holed up in Ecuador's London embassy.
But if he leaves, he could face arrest, say British authorities.
I still today respect Julian.
I don't consider him a friend anymore because we had a falling out -
but I do understand his position. I understand what he's been through. Everything.
That's why I'm not sitting here saying -
he's a complete idiot or a maniac or something.
Because I do understand his background. I understand it completely.
Julian Assange is a great person, there's no doubt about it.
He was just mixed up in some bad shit, you know?
ICELAND
REYKJAVIK GRAPEVINE
"SIGGI HACKER" CHARGED WITH MULTIPLE FRAUD AND THEFT COUNTS
Did he just hang up?
- Are you calling Siggi? - No, Dan. To see if he knows where he is.
- Yeah. Hello. - Hello.
SIGGI'S PRIEST AND FRIEND
- Can you hear me? - Did you get a hold of him?
No, he told us he was leaving an hour ago -
but we've been waiting since Thursday. I don't know what to believe.
Yeah, that's Siggi. You can't really trust him.
I'd like for this movie to end out with Siggi having a job -
and a normal life, but...
But it was the month I left Iceland.
That's when the shit hit the fan.
SONDERJYLLAND DENMARK
My relationship with Siggi is a little reserved at the moment.
It's hard for me to trust him.
Sigurdur Ingi, 21, forged power of attorney, signatures -
and bank statements to scam money and goods from individuals and companies.
In addition, Siggi scammed three men out of ISK 2.5 million by falsely claiming -
he would open bank accounts in their names at HSBC in Luxembourg.
He's not an idiot. He understands the consequences -
and knows what's right and wrong. He just can't control himself.
So he's done it many times?
There are a lot of different companies that they believe he's scammed.
Rental cars for ISK 10 million, four laptops and nine iPhones are -
among the items Thordarson is accused of scamming from shops and companies.
I won't trivialize or excuse it -
but people ask, "Why is he doing it?"
And I reply, "What else has he got to do?"
What can a criminal do in Iceland? You can't get a job.
Everyone demands a clean criminal record.
They call him a paedophile. Who'll hire a paedophile?
He isn't a paedophile, but that doesn't matter. He's already been labelled.
Everyone turns him down.
That's why career criminals continue. Because we judge -
and we don't know how to be Christians in a Christian country.
We never give people a second chance.
- So how have you been? - Very good.
We wanted to pick up on everything from last time.
Alright, we're almost there.
Have you seen the new Netflix documentary The Puppet Master?
It's quite interesting.
You should watch another one as well which is also a kind of like a con artist.
What's the plot?
Well, the plot is that this guy connects with women on Tinder.
Alright.
And he has all these pictures of him in expensive cars...
So do I!
- Expensive watches. - Yes!
How much did he get?
- 10 million dollars. - What? How many did he scam?
I mean, you don't get 10 million from a couple of ladies?
Why are you interested in these documentaries dealing with con artists?
I'm not going to answer that on camera.
I think it's interesting to see -
the behaviour of the human species in certain circumstances.
What's going on in your head if you fall for a story like that?
But you've done something similar?
Not for ten years!
So do you ever plan on being like a normal...
Yeah, let's go to what normal is.
SIGGI'S NEW LAWYER - So these are the records...
for the pending criminal case against Siggi.
This is a lot of documents.
So...
It will take some time to sift through it -
and find what's relevant and what's not.
VOICE OF SOREN, THE PRODUCER
- We're filming with Siggi now. - Yes.
And it's not easy to figure out the facts.
No.
So we've actually obtained the documents -
from all of Siggi's court cases.
- Have you seen this? - What is it?
- It's all the boys. - A list.
Listen to this. "I did not agree to meet to begin with."
VOICE OF THOMAS THE PHOTOGRAPHER
"I was just young and scared, but then he started to threaten me -
and he was tempting me and deceiving me."
"He mentions large sums of money, cars..."
"He had a weapon, an electric gun, handcuffs -
"- and a pistol and a bulletproof vest in the car." Pepper spray, Viagra.
He stuns him and
sprays him and stuff like that.
I think I read somewhere -
that he anally rapes him -
while pressing the stun gun against him.
That sounds awful.
- Is it here? - Yeah.
It's under the snow.
It's under the snow?
The possibility of getting closure is none.
I am blamed for his death in the media. His parents blame me -
and I wonder probably every single day -
whether my actions had anything to do with him committing suicide.
And what actions are you talking about, Siggi?
I do wonder that our relationship and
our arrangement could have brought something to him -
that ultimately resulted in him jumping off the building.
I was in regular communication with him while I was inside.
There was never anything that suggested to me -
that he was going to do something like that.
But then why do you blame yourself?
Honestly, I don't know.
It's just a guilt, a feeling I have. What if?
There's this big "what if". What if something I did resulted in this?
SIGURDUR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRIST
I can't really explain this.
Actually these accusations, they don't seem to really stand, you know, but...
But...
Really, one of the questions here is:
Is Siggi sometimes taking blame for something he didn't do?
You understand me?
Just for the thrill of it?
I doubt he does that in this case with the young man that committed suicide -
but I was more concerned about maybe other, you know, financial affairs -
that he maybe said, "Okay, I already have a criminal record."
You can't explain why he does that, but we know people with these traits -
they are not concerned about blame because they don't feel the guilt.
That's the central core problem.
LEIFUR POLICE DETECTIVE
Tell us how you got suspicious of Siggi.
So what we did was to track files from his phone company...
where we got all his communication with people for the last year or so.
"How much would you do for money?" That was a popular question.
And they would go, "Well, I don't know, maybe a lot."
And it evolved over to that question:
"Would you fuck a goat?"
"Or would you have a dwarf give you a blow job?"
And they would say, "No, of course not, that's absurd."
And he would show them the money, a screenshot -
of his fake bank account somewhere in Switzerland.
"Oh, he has a lot of money."
He maybe offered to give them a Range Rover or whatever they fancied -
but in the end there was no dwarf and there was no goat.
It was just him,
and he would substitute the goat -
or the dwarf and tell them, "Oh, I couldn't get it, so it's just me."
"But here's the ten millions." And they would go for it.
Some of them for dozens of times.
And they were always thinking, "I will get the money today -
or tonight I will get the money."
But as far as I know, they never got anything.
He just sexually abused them.
There were videos where he was using pepper spray on some of the boys.
Handcuffing them to something -
and pepper-spraying them in the face.
And having it on tape.
And you could hear him laughing in the background -
like he was enjoying -
when they were in agony from the pepper spray.
I have never been under investigation or convicted or participated -
in any acts of sexual violence or rape -
or paedophilia or anything like that.
But why would you video-film the pepper-spray thing?
Alright, I'll show you something, just to make my argument.
Alright, here you see. This is my drop box.
Here you can see Mace, Mace, Mace, Mace and Mace.
Which are the videos of different individuals getting the Mace.
Shall we open one? Let's see if I'm raping someone.
This is taken 11 years ago.
Don't take pictures.
- Who is the bigger wimp? - How long will it last?
Should we open another one?
- Is he handcuffed? - Yes.
- Why? - Don't ask me.
They were not mine.
As you can see, we're not in a bedroom having sex.
So for me, there's not really anything to hide anymore.
I already pled guilty to it.
But I really need to go.
The interesting part is that he's admitting it, you understand?
Many of these guys, they don't admit, but he's admitting.
He's telling me the truth, almost the truth, you know?
That is very special with his case.
So even though he lies -
he tells the truth also, but not the whole truth.
ÓLLI BJÖRN ONE OF THE NINE BOYS
I was really afraid of him.
All the stuff he had in his car.
His stun gun, his handcuffs.
All kinds of stuff, which he had shown me.
So I always thought:
"What happens next time if I say no to him?"
When I was 15 years old -
he contacted me -
and more than 50 times -
he forced me to sexual activities.
In return, he promised me money, phones -
cars and computers.
We came to this place together.
It's difficult to think back on.
I knew what was going to happen.
But I didn't know that he would film the things he did to me.
I never thought about it before. What did he do with the video?
Did he send it to someone? Is he keeping it somewhere?
There are many questions.
We were to meet up like we used to.
But I intended to tell him that it had to end.
I couldn't take it any longer.
He didn't like that because our contract wasn't fulfilled.
And...
Then he used the stun gun and said, "We must fulfil the contract."
So he stunned me.
He only used it once -
but it really hurt.
Then I just thought, "I'm not going to say no."
"Let's just get it over with -
and after that contract, it's over."
In my experience, I lost three years of my life.
You don't remember it because you don't want to remember it.
KEY WITNESS IN ASSANGE CASE ADMITS TO LIES IN INDICTMENT
Now I'm going to invite Bjartmar, who's put out the latest scoop -
in relation to the Assange case -
to tell us a bit about the key witness in the FBI's prosecution against Assange.
Why he's important, who he is -
and what Bjartmar found out about his testimony and about him.
Thank you for that.
Mr. Thordarson plays a huge role in the case against him -
because he is the main witness in transforming Julian from a journalist -
to a hacker. That's why his testimony is so important.
So it makes you wonder that the only individual -
who actually the FBI could put in writing with his testimony -
that Julian Assange was a hacker not a journalist...
It makes you wonder how strong the case is -
if you have to find a con artist and a paedophile to do so.
So it's...
So, since we spoke last -
SIGGI'S LAWYER
Siggi has been detained by the police -
and is currently in custody.
He is suspected of fraud and financial crimes.
"SIGGI THORDARSON - ALSO KNOWN UNDER THE MONIKER "SIGGI THE HACKER" -
WAS JAILED IN ICELAND AFTER AN ONGOING CRIME SPREE"
LITLA HRAUN PRISON ICELAND
- Hello? - Hi.
Hi Siggi.
The police have arrested me on the counts of corporate scams.
What are the charges?
The charges are money laundering and corporate scam or corporate fraud.
Are you guilty?
To some extent, yes.
We talked to your lawyer earlier today. He's been in contact with the FBI.
Yes, that's correct.
Regarding the case against Julian Assange.
ECUADORIAN EMBASSY LONDON
The two-day trial of Julian Assange began in London today.
Kristinn Hrafnsson, editor of WikiLeaks -
told Assange's supporters this morning that his health and life were at stake.
EDITOR-IN-CHIEF - WIKILEAKS
Today, this court will hear the arguments, or so-called arguments, of the US lawyers.
Kristinn says they will fight the extradition tooth and nail -
claiming that a dangerous precedent could be set for the free press.
Free, free, free Assange!
Do you see the irony in both you and Julian being in prison at the moment?
Yes, the irony is out there -
but the difference is that I do confess the crimes I have committed.
Have you read the articles that Bjartmar has been writing about you?
KEY WITNESS INA SSANGE CASE ADMITS TO LIES IN INDICTMENT
- I read some of them, yes. - What do you think of them?
He has no evidence that I lied to the FBI.
How does it make you feel that he's published these articles -
and is going around the media circuit, saying that he exposed you?
It's ridiculous.
I did not lie to the FBI at any point.
I'm Bjartmar Alexandersson -
investigative journalist for Stundin, a newspaper in Iceland.
Why did he confess, and why did he come to you?
I have no idea.
I already have tons of evidence -
so he might have been put in a corner where he couldn't get out.
Thank you so much, and what you...
- Just doing my job. - I know, but it's immense.
I hope many other journalists are doing the same. And they are.
I've talked to Bjartmar.
Yeah?
He keeps saying he wants to participate and help us.
But in order for his editor-in-chief to sign off on it -
Kristinn needs to approve it.
Why does Kristinn need to approve Bjartmar's participation?
Yes. That's a good question.
It shows that someone, at all costs, wants to maintain -
the narrative that Siggi lied to the FBI.
There was no haking.
There was no conspiracy.
The truth is this is journalism on trial.
This is the fate and the future of journalism.
Free Julian Assange!
THORDARSON LIED!
You didn't quote him once in that article. Was that one of the conditions he gave?
No, no, no. I mean, he...
Because either he's lying to the FBI,
or the FBI knew he was lying and went with it anyway.
- Or he was lying to you. - He could be lying to me and the FBI.
He's a known liar, so we don't know -
but I have to take it he's telling me the right thing.
Yeah...
The circus.
The WikiLeaks circus.
KORMÁKUR JOURNALIST
So I got hired by WikiLeaks in late February.
Kristinn Hrafnsson contacted me -
and asked me if I was interested in doing a project for a couple of months.
He wanted me "to find dirt on Siggi."
"I'M NOT A MOSNTER" SIGGA HACKER BANNED FROM SWIMMING
I started my research by finding out -
what companies were registered to Siggi -
and everyone connected to him.
And then a jam-packed mailbox awaited us.
I was working with another journalist, Bjartmar.
He didn't hesitate to make phone calls and meet with people.
He reminded me of another journalist I've worked with. He had guts.
When it came to writing, I had to teach him a few things.
If I was organising stuff for WikiLeaks -
I would make sure that nothing -
that is then used for the defence -
could be compromised in any way.
And so if you're a journalist and you are an investigative journalist -
you have to make sure you're independent from any influence.
That's the key. Be independent.
SIGGI RELEASED FROM CUSTODY
LONDON ENGLAND
- Sound? - Yes, we're rolling.
Ok.
Well, first off, Siggi.
This will be the last bit of filming we'll be doing with you.
Okay.
You know who was speaking at that Free Assange event in London.
- Bjartmar. - Yes.
And Kristinn hired Bjartmar to dig up dirt on you.
And Kristjón Kormákur was paid to work on this together with him.
- Did you know that? - No.
- Will that be in the movie? - Yes.
Good.
You're hiring investigative journalists -
to dig dirt on your former volunteers or staff.
So basically, what WikiLeaks would be doing -
is exactly the same as the people they're publishing about.
It's...
interesting. Very interesting.
Siggi, have you ever lied to me?
Probably.
I don't remember the moment.
But you think you have?
It wouldn't be a substantial lie but a white lie like, "How are you?"
"I'm good, how are you?"
No, that's your masks that you put on. That's different.
That's a white lie, though. It's a lie.
You know what I mean. That's fine with me.
I haven't lied about anything substantial in regards to this project -
or any aspects, that I recall.
We also wanted to talk to you about the sexual abuse cases.
Did you ever offer money to have sex with a goat?
- What? - With a goat?
That might have been a conversation but nothing seriously.
Ok.
Is it something that you've asked other boys as well?
This has come up in other discussions, or a dwarf.
So is that your initial way of approaching the boys?
- Is that kind of like the pattern? - Basically, yeah.
This was me basically asking if they would do sexual stuff
for money -
and a way for me to find out...
If they would say yes, I would know -
there was a chance they would have sex with me for payment.
And therefore I could hide my homosexuality.
But, Siggi, why wouldn't you just start by saying that?
Why go to the dwarf and the goat thing? What was the idea behind that?
Just to see if they would say yes or no.
If they would say yes, I would know -
they were acceptable to sexual favours towards a man.
That's something you slowly found out and then it became like an approach?
Yeah.
It was my way of hitting on them.
But still, boys, they are all today scared of you.
Why?
I've never used violence in my life, not once.
- They're saying you did. - No.
If you look at the psychological side of it.
Why would they say that? Because they're ashamed.
They're ashamed of having had sex with me, which I think is very clear by now.
So they use past experiences to say, "Yes, he used that gun."
Because a lot of people knew I had it, so it makes sense to say that.
So what you're saying is, you never threatened anybody.
You didn't force yourself on anybody, you didn't have your way with anybody.
And all the nine boys are pretty much just ashamed -
and that's why they're coming up with this story independently -
that actually in fact makes you a victim.
No, I disagree with that -
because I pled guilty to all of the cases.
And none of them involved this stuff.
None of the charges were rape.
None of the charges were violence.
The charges were sex for prostitution -
no, sex on solicitation or prostitution.
It seems like you're more focused on what the law says -
but I'm trying to search...
how you feel about it.
- Does that affect you in any way? - It does.
How does it affect you?
It saddens me that this is the impact that I had on someone.
I have nothing to do in my position except to apologize.
A little more than that I can't do.
You're saying that you feel sorry.
But sometimes I have the suspicion that that's because you...
you know that's what you're supposed to say.
How am I supposed to act?
- No, I'm asking. - I don't know that.
What's the normal way of feeling sorry?
What's the normal way of feeling sad?
You don't know the answer to that question? You really don't know?
How to act?
No.
There isn't anything I've read -
that says how love is...
or anger or sadness.
There's no guide -
that says how to feel when you're loved or love someone.
It's just... I can't explain it.
You say that you're puzzled because there's no guide?
Yeah.
But what is it that you're looking for?
I don't have the answer.
Are you still trying to find answers?
Yeah.
I don't have that.
Do you think you can find them, or do you think -
someone can help you find out who you are -
and understand yourself better?
I don't know.
No idea.
I've been here before.
Actually 11 years ago.
And that was when Julian was going to court for his extradition cases.
But at the time, we had hundreds of photographers and journalists here -
taking photos and videos of us.
It was quite interesting to be a part of it.
Being all of a sudden in the centre of the eye of the world.
This is in a way...
where the journey started.
But this isn't the place where the journey stops.
Unfortunately.
I wish it would.
So I could just...
move on with my life.
We are curious to know... What are your plans?
Nothing.
Just embrace the normality.
What does that mean?
Just to be a regular citizen -
going to the grocery stores and buying food to cook.
Going to... yeah.
I don't have an answer for you.
Ok.
Alright, Siggi?
Yeah.
Right, right. Yeah!
WikiLeaks did not wish to participate in this documentary,
but their editor-in-chief, Kristinn Hrafnsson, writes in an email:
"While WikiLeaks refrains from commenting on the sources of its publications,
it's significant to highlight that the most impactful revelations of the past decade
and a half primarily originate from whistleblowers".
"The suggestion that wikileaks would employ someone to 'dig up dirt' against Thordarson borders on the ludicrous,
given his court-certified sociopathy and criminal history as a fraudster and a sexual predator.
Kristján Kormákur was contracted for a short period to scrutinize certain aspects
pertaining to Julian Assange's indictment, which solely relied on Thordarson's testimonies.
Although Kormákur had the discretion to use this information for a journalistic piece,
"it was never mandated."
Regarding this documentary, Hrafnsson writes:
"This narrative conveniently aligns with the propaganda serving the ongoing US persecution
against Julian Assange and WikiLeaks."
Julian Assange has not responded to our inquiry regarding the surveillance of WikiLeaks staff.
The claims made by Kormákur have been presented to Bjartmar Alexandersson
and to Stundin/Heimildin's editor-in-chief, Jon Trausti,
but none of them have responded to our inquiries.