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- Hello, this is Park Chan-wook.
- And I'm Kim Young-Jin.
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It's overwhelming to be
recording this commentary,
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Official YIFY movies site:
YTS.MX
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watching The Last Witness
for the first time
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in ten or twenty years.
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You were a long-time fan
of this film, weren't you?
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Yes, I was.
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I was one of the few who,
somehow, were lucky enough
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to watch this film.
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It was in the mid-1980s, a while
after the film had been released.
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I'm also curious as to why
they privately screened
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The Hut and The Last Witness
at the projection room
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of the Korean Film Council in Namsan.
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I was a student, but I snuck in
and watched the film.
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Then the film you saw wasn't
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- the censored copy?
- No, I don't think it was.
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I saw this film when it aired on TV.
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I don't know why,
but I remember it was daytime,
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I think it was broadcast because
a baseball game had been canceled.
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Canceled.
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I didn't remember much of the story,
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but the film left a strong impression.
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So in the 1980s when we were in school,
we often talked about this film.
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Director Lee Doo-Yong
and The Last Witness,
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they existed merely as rumors.
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- And The Trouble-solving Broker.
- Yes.
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So in the mid-2000s,
when I worked for Film 2. 0,
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a now-defunct magazine,
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I went to the Korean Film Archive
in Seocho-dong
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with Ju Sungchul,
now the editor of Cine21,
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and begged to watch the film,
which we did with a Steenbeck.
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A Steenbeck is
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an old machine used to edit film.
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I remember, after watching the film,
I wrote an article thinking,
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I have to write a story on this.
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I think this editing is really, wow...
captivating the audience from the start.
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It reminds me of Get A way.
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It's Lee Doo-yong's specialty.
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So sudden, just like that,
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- with no explanation.
- That's right.
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He just moves on to the next cut.
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He uses the loud noises of
the machine to surprise the audience
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and just fills the screen
with this energy.
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Watching this now,
the opening title card is quite funny.
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It seems to show us a sad,
yet funny reality.
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The film seems to flatter
the Chun Doo-hwan government,
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saying it will look at the new era
through the lens of justice,
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but it also belies such an age,
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claiming to express
the dark side of the times.
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In a way, it expresses
the determination of the director.
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It is cautiously walking a tightrope,
and I think the title card
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already shows us this film's fate.
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I once thought that the fact that
the story and images are both dark,
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perhaps the director
inserted this title card
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as an excuse
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for having shot the scenes
with too little light.
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The early scene in which the lawyer,
Kim Jung-yeop is killed,
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it really does start out too dark.
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It almost seems like
a mistake with the exposure.
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Perhaps they made a mistake just
before the film was exposed to the light.
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It almost seems like
the director and cinematographer
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are telling the audience, "This is
the mood of the film, so be ready."
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It even seems like a declaration.
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Also, the cinematographer
Jung Il-sung liked this style.
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He did.
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So we can see
how daring this film was.
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It went against the taboos...
the various taboos
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in mainstream commercial films
in Chungmuro at the time.
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The best artists in Chungmuro,
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daring, with their young blood boiling
and their skills ripening,
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the film is full of their determination
to show us what they can do.
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Such scene transitions appear
very often in this film, don't they?
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- Yes.
- Detective Oh Byungho.
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This Blu-ray is really good.
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It is very clear.
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In the past, the film was really dark
and the colors dull
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but it has been restored
to a pretty good condition.
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What do you think about
the actor Hah Myung-joong?
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I think he was perfect for this film.
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Of course, the director was good in
creating the film to meet the actor,
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but the actor was immersed
in this film, and I heard that he,
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along with the director,
went looking for film locations.
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He drove around in his car
with the director by his side
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and even shot some of
the scenes that way.
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That's what I heard.
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I heard from Hah Myung-joong,
not the director,
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but they shot some scenes before
the crank-in, while hunting for locations.
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I'm not sure if it's true,
but I remember hearing that story.
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I heard that too.
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He usually played the sweet hero
in a romance
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or an agonizing intellectual,
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but in this film, he's a detective
who's slovenly at times,
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impoverished, who gradually crumbles.
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He wouldn't have been the first actor
to pop into one's mind
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for this tough character, a man
who doesn't hesitate to fight.
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So I think it was superb casting.
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His acting style is not what
we see nowadays, is it?
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No.
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It's exaggerated at times.
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But I think, except for a few scenes,
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such acting seems fresh. I liked it.
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The current acting style
is not always 'correct.'
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It does feel strange,
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but unlike the style that aims
only to be as natural as possible,
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the strong expressions
touched me in a way,
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and given his final action
at the end of the film...
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I think the accumulation
of such strong expressions
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actually justifies that final act,
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his ultimate decision.
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The supporting actors in this film,
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they are all so unique
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and they seem to have
their own stories.
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Who is that person?
"What is his life like?"
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What's going on in his family?
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Many of the supporting characters who
stimulate our imagination like this...
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They are not working, are they?
In today's eyes,
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- they are young or middle-aged men.
- Yes, they're not working.
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There are lines that tell us
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how economically difficult
it was at the time.
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The director seems to be
constantly primed
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to capture that air
in a sensitive manner.
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This shot is one of the shots
that I like most in this film.
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The bleak landscape of Joseon captured
beautifully with a wide-angle lens.
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The angle is good, and the wind,
the barren trees,
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and the color, almost achromatic,
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I think they create a perfect image.
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He really just walks, constantly,
this Detective Oh.
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You kind of wonder how they could
have gone ahead with such editing.
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It's so repetitive.
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He walks here, he walks there.
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That slogan.
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It would have popped up instantly
in your mind, if you lived in that era.
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This anti-communist slogan is actually
not irrelevant to the film's theme.
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No, not irrelevant at all.
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And the image of death....
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They traveled a lot for these cuts.
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He was just determined to fill
this film with these images.
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Watching this now, after some time,
people may say that
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the acting of the supporting actors
isn't natural
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or that the lines are too explanatory,
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but I really respect the director's
persistence as an artist,
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consistently and powerfully pushing
ahead with a certain goal in mind.
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By the standards of Korean film back
then, this film has a lot of cuts.
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- It does.
- The running time is also long,
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but I think the film probably has more
than double the number of cuts.
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As for director Lee Doo-Yong,
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I always asked the older people
in Chungmuro about him,
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and they'd say he was the best.
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His directing...
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Apart from his overall abilities
as an artist,
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he was the best in directing,
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particularly in editing.
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He always used a place called
Yi Gyeong-ja Editing Room.
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There, he would capture the different
lengths in a single frame
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and agonize over them.
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He was a man with such keen senses.
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I often heard legendary rumors about
how sensitive he was in editing,
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just as he had a sharp eye
when shooting a kick
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in an action scene.
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He had shot a lot of films
at a very fast pace before.
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Lee Doo-Yong
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also shot Taekwondo films,
like four films a year.
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I'm not a great fan of action films,
so I don't know those films well,
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but to shoot films at that speed,
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to be fast and to maintain
a certain level of quality,
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he must have had a very sharp mind.
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Lee had worked in Chungmuro
a very long time.
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When he shot this film,
he was in his late thirties,
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but he probably already had
the airs of a senior director,
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on site.
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In contrast to reviews by critics
and reporters in the media,
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in the film industry,
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he was highly acclaimed
by his colleagues.
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That's how I remember him.
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Come to think of it,
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back then, Lee was not
highly regarded by the critics.
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So when I watched The Hut and
The Last Witness in the mid-1980s,
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and also The Trouble-solving Broker,
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which I saw in a theater
when it came out...
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At the time, in Korea,
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there was the great Im Kwon-taek
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and director Kim Ki-young
was somewhat past his prime,
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director Lee Man-hee
had long passed away,
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and I had this thirst for someone else.
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So when I discovered these films,
I was so happy and proud.
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It was a big help at a time when
I wondered if I could work
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as a film director in Korea.
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I was a huge fan at that time.
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When Eunuch was released,
I watched it five times at the theater.
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I wrote and sent a review to
Sports Seoul, but it was never accepted.
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Lee Doo-Yong was from Seoul.
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It's a wonder how
he went about the countryside
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and captured such authentic dialects
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and the rural landscape like this.
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Perhaps, because he was from Seoul,
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he was able to capture it
with such a sensitive eye.
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When we think of the countryside,
we think of it as warm and friendly,
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but that's not all. There's
this hostility towards outsiders.
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The screenplay was written by
Yoon Sam-yook.
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Adapted for film.
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Maybe the film turned out well
because the two got along so well?
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What surprised me most when I read
a collection of his screenplays,
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there was the screenplay for Mulberry
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with a postscript in which
Yoon mentioned
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that the world referred to this film
as a sublimation of Korean aesthetics.
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He said that he had just one thing
he wanted to tell them,
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and wrote, "Fuck Mulberry."
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It so plainly revealed
the writer's personality,
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as it was, with no pretense.
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He was quite a man.
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When we watch these scenes,
the indoor scene a while ago,
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when Oh opens the door,
we can see the yard outside.
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That's an angle difficult
to obtain in a set.
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These days people use computer
graphics to create the background,
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but they didn't have
that option back then.
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So, like that...
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the camera was able to move
in that direction,
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towards the wide-open door,
from the inside to the outside,
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because it was not a set,
but an actual location.
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In a real location, especially in the
small residential spaces in Korea,
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the director tried to secure
a camera angle,
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and chose to freely capture
such scenes
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despite the limitations.
He made an artistic choice,
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and it's the same
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- here as well.
- Here.
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In this tracking shot,
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in the hallway,
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beyond the wall is another classroom,
and beyond that is the scenery
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outside the window. Lee layered the
images to create the mise-en-scène.
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That was actually one of cinematographer
Jung Il-sung's specialties.
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It was.
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Jung Il-sung was good at that.
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There's a certain,
mysterious atmosphere.
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A while ago,
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we heard the sound of the organ.
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The mood in this scene is different
from the other scenes in the film.
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These are inserted here and there,
preventing the film
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from becoming boring.
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Han Hye-sook seems to have
fallen for Oh at first sight.
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The film doesn't tell us.
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She appears at the end,
in the last scene as well.
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Lee Doo-Yong was really,
quite daring, wasn't he?
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He just moves on.
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He just leaves things out and moves on.
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Even in current films, the director
would kind of pause,
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- They would.
- ...and
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insert a scene with the two exchanging
glances or something,
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but....
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I felt the same thing
when I watched Eunuch.
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Ahn Sung-ki is the main character,
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but as I watched the film,
I forgot that Ahn was the hero.
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I found myself asking,
"Where did the hero go?"
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So I asked about this in an interview.
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Lee didn't seem to care.
I think the directors at the time were....
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Here, the relationship between
the two is vague,
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but it doesn't hinder
the development of the story.
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Detective Oh was a regular character
in the works of Kim Seong-jong,
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the writer of the original story,
The Last Witness.
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He appeared often in works
other than The Last Witness.
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He's like Kim's alter ego, a character
representing Korean detectives.
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His wife is dead,
and he lives but has no life.
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Is he like that in most of the novels?
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I don't remember what happened
to his wife in the other novels,
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but Oh Byungho never gets
along with his surroundings.
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He is always drinking, is filthy
and wanders like a lone wolf.
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That's the kind of character he is.
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Han Hye-sook is really pretty.
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She was beautiful then.
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She was a different kind of beauty
compared with Jeong Yun-Hui.
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Her action here is curious.
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She removes the table.
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Why does she remove the table?
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She should actually be serving some
food, since a guest has arrived,
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but she clears away the table.
I wondered why that was necessary.
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This is the most mysterious
part about this film.
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It just passes by when
an explanation is necessary,
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yet we can still follow the story.
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When the director feels a need to explain,
he doesn't spare his words.
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The lines are at times so explanatory,
to the point they seem excessive.
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Sometimes showing us images,
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and without putting on airs, the film
tells us everything when necessary.
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That, in today's eyes, can
seem somewhat unsophisticated,
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but it was inevitable in order to compress
such a grand story into one film.
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The story is mostly set in Seoul
and the Jeolla-do region.
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But they shot the film everywhere.
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Gyeonggi-do,
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- Gangwon-do,....
- Yes, we also see Gangwon-do.
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I think this here is Gangwon-do.
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Anyways, I heard they just took off
when it snowed, just like that.
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They would travel all night.
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Im Kwon-taek and Lee, these directors
had a strong obsession with locations.
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So they led a huge entourage,
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and when they said, "Get off,"
they'd get off and shoot.
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- It's impossible now.
- True.
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Choi Min-sik told me a lot of
stories when shooting Chihwaseon.
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Strangely, a lot of civil servants
appear in this film.
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This film will be an important textbook
if someone writes a thesis
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on how Korean films portrayed
civil servants or public authorities.
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But the police are glamorized here.
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True.
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Of course, there are some exceptions.
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This police chief....
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This chief is the embodiment of
justice, quite unrealistic.
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But the film implies that he actually
didn't live his life like that,
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so he is supporting Oh as a way
to atone ahead of his retirement.
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I don't think we can see him simply
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as the incarnation of justice.
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And when he first assigns
Oh to this case,
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he acts like this is
a secret investigation
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quietly slipping him
some money and a gun.
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Usually, cops go around in pairs,
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but here he is a lone wolf.
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It's like he's assigning a spy to
a secret operation in a spy film.
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I think he is assigned to the case
like a spy because
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it would have been difficult to conduct
a fair investigation in this region
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if they publicly investigated
the murder.
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The people, closely knit,
would keep their secrets,
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watch each other's backs,
and give false statements.
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In such a society, assigning
a detective from a different region
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and telling him to carry out
an objective investigation,
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as a way of factoring for the connections
between the locals and the police.
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The scene put such thoughts
into my mind.
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It's absolutely possible.
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- At last...
- At last....
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our Jeong Yun-Hui.
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Son Jihye,
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in the film.
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00:24:12,168 --> 00:24:15,376
That actor also appears frequently
in Lee Doo-yong's films.
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- Hyun Kill-soo?
- Yes, Hyun Kill-soo.
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Yes, he did many action films.
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00:24:21,501 --> 00:24:30,501
Usually action-movie actors are
awkward when they are put in dramas.
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They exaggerate or put
too much strength into their eyes.
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00:24:38,793 --> 00:24:42,209
But in this film, I don't
think Hyun's acting
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is like that.
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This image left a strong impression.
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Lee Hae-ryong.
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I have no complaints
about Hyun's acting here.
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Especially when he confronts
Lee Dae-keun one-on-one,
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I can't forget his eyes then.
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He does have some strength in his eyes.
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But,
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but....
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This image is also beautiful.
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I heard it was Seoraksan Mountain.
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00:25:23,626 --> 00:25:27,584
We can discuss the scene where
he meets Lee Dae-keun later.
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Now how to portray the partisans,
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00:25:33,084 --> 00:25:38,501
that was probably a real headache
for a film director at the time.
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This situation doesn't
seem so realistic.
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I think it was probably
inevitable at the time.
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For example, this captain in the commie
army, the father of Son Jihye,
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00:26:00,251 --> 00:26:02,852
when portraying this man, the film
says he was eccentric enough to bring
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his only daughter to the mountains.
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00:26:07,584 --> 00:26:12,043
I think bringing his daughter here
is too important
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to simply ascribe it
to his being eccentric.
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As if he were slightly strange.
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However,
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why did he bring his daughter here?
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Did the daughter just
follow her father here,
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even though she did not
share his ideology?
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00:26:37,584 --> 00:26:43,209
Or was this daughter also
a voluntary partisan?
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00:26:43,793 --> 00:26:45,394
It just can't be ascribed
to his eccentricity.
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00:26:45,418 --> 00:26:46,602
- I agree.
- In this film, she is
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00:26:46,626 --> 00:26:52,293
the heroine and she is
a very miserable figure.
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00:26:52,918 --> 00:26:58,709
The director could not have
her join the partisans voluntarily.
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So he resorted to the
ambiguous explanation
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that she ended up in the mountains
due to her father's eccentricity.
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00:27:07,834 --> 00:27:10,709
A clever way to express that,
in those days.
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00:27:11,918 --> 00:27:14,584
They had to avoid censorship.
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Give the authorities no reason
to censor the film.
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00:27:22,418 --> 00:27:28,001
Here, his cruel death.
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00:27:28,084 --> 00:27:33,501
They had to portray the
partisan in this manner
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in order to satisfy the review board.
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00:27:39,668 --> 00:27:44,376
They had to stress
their brutality like this.
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00:27:49,251 --> 00:27:55,668
This scene seems quite dangerous,
it makes me wince.
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00:27:55,751 --> 00:27:58,834
Yes, they probably shot it
in a very risky manner.
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00:28:00,043 --> 00:28:02,750
The people look really terrified.
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00:28:02,751 --> 00:28:04,543
They do.
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00:28:10,918 --> 00:28:20,917
It contrasts with Oh's scenes,
mostly set in barren winter landscapes.
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00:28:23,501 --> 00:28:26,418
It shows how much time
it took to shoot the film.
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00:28:26,501 --> 00:28:29,001
Now, this looks dangerous.
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00:28:30,084 --> 00:28:34,209
It's like they're bragging about how
long they took to shoot the film.
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00:28:35,501 --> 00:28:39,418
They shot it in winter, in summer....
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I doubt they did that to show off,
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00:28:43,751 --> 00:28:53,750
but it enriches the film, and
the film captures the four seasons
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00:28:54,793 --> 00:29:01,334
and all corners of Korea,
so it feels like 'our' story.
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00:29:01,418 --> 00:29:06,126
It has that positive effect.
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00:29:06,209 --> 00:29:10,459
This was the first film
by Sekyeong Films Corp.
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00:29:10,834 --> 00:29:15,668
They had this "Excellent Film Quota"
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00:29:16,418 --> 00:29:21,709
The government selected this film
and provided a lot of support that year.
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00:29:21,959 --> 00:29:24,501
But the result was devastating.
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00:29:27,876 --> 00:29:35,793
This was Kim's idea,
the writer of the original story,
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00:29:36,126 --> 00:29:46,125
but having the partisans hide under
the school classroom was brilliant.
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00:29:49,084 --> 00:29:55,834
We will see it later on, but the
little kids innocently sing above,
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00:29:59,876 --> 00:30:05,709
and when we look at
the casting by Lee Doo-Yong,
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we can say they are ordinary people,
since they are not really handsome,
397
00:30:15,459 --> 00:30:18,626
but still,
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00:30:19,001 --> 00:30:20,881
they are not such
common-looking people, either.
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00:30:20,918 --> 00:30:21,918
No, they're not.
400
00:30:22,001 --> 00:30:25,793
Their faces are unique,
they make a very strong impression.
401
00:30:27,918 --> 00:30:37,418
The characters of the actors
are too strong for the director
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00:30:37,501 --> 00:30:41,709
to convey something about the people,
403
00:30:42,043 --> 00:30:47,793
for them to be wound up in a
collective noun such as 'the people.'
404
00:30:47,918 --> 00:30:51,001
Each one is a face with
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00:30:52,001 --> 00:30:53,918
its own character.
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00:30:54,459 --> 00:30:56,459
They keep appearing in the film.
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00:30:56,584 --> 00:30:58,293
They do.
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00:30:58,376 --> 00:31:02,834
That's why Kwak Jeong-hwan
kept complaining.
409
00:31:02,918 --> 00:31:05,019
He would talk about how Lee
always went around with actors,
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00:31:05,043 --> 00:31:06,959
who never looked like actors.
411
00:31:08,001 --> 00:31:10,209
But as you said,
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00:31:10,834 --> 00:31:13,793
he liked actors with personality.
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00:31:13,918 --> 00:31:18,959
They all look like they have
a story, character.
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00:31:19,168 --> 00:31:22,126
So even if they don't have
their own episodes,
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00:31:22,251 --> 00:31:24,126
or even a line in the film,
416
00:31:25,001 --> 00:31:27,251
there is this kind of tension.
417
00:31:27,376 --> 00:31:32,418
You get this feeling that one
of them might do something.
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00:31:33,126 --> 00:31:35,918
We saw the gang rape scene a while ago,
but gang rape is something
419
00:31:36,168 --> 00:31:44,084
that repeatedly appeared
in Korean films at this time.
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00:31:44,876 --> 00:31:48,668
It makes the audience very uncomfortable,
but it was in the original story,
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00:31:49,043 --> 00:31:54,043
and without it, this story cannot develop,
so it was inevitable.
422
00:31:54,168 --> 00:32:00,001
But when shooting that scene,
423
00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:04,209
Lee didn't turn it into a provocative...
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00:32:04,251 --> 00:32:06,626
That's right.
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00:32:06,709 --> 00:32:14,793
...and shallow display.
His focus is clear.
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00:32:16,918 --> 00:32:22,834
He conveyed the ugly desire of the men
427
00:32:23,918 --> 00:32:29,293
and how in such an extreme,
harsh situation,
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00:32:29,334 --> 00:32:37,626
they fall to being foolish
and barbaric.
429
00:32:37,668 --> 00:32:41,084
His focus is clear.
430
00:32:42,876 --> 00:32:51,376
It shows this strong macho
bond in Korean society.
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00:32:51,459 --> 00:32:51,959
It does.
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00:32:52,084 --> 00:32:54,126
You can feel that.
433
00:32:57,001 --> 00:33:01,001
That Hwang Bau character
and Son Jihye as well.
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00:33:02,751 --> 00:33:07,209
Son Jihye as the victim like this
is kind of a cliché.
435
00:33:07,293 --> 00:33:08,876
It is.
436
00:33:09,459 --> 00:33:14,126
But I think the portrayal was accurate.
It was the best possible way.
437
00:33:16,209 --> 00:33:21,959
I think casting Choi Bool-am
was the decisive move.
438
00:33:24,209 --> 00:33:27,709
A problem for this film,
if it were nowadays,
439
00:33:29,168 --> 00:33:37,084
since the story covers twenty years,
would be a problem with makeup.
440
00:33:37,126 --> 00:33:42,126
They could either cast two different
actors to play a single character,
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a young actor and an older actor,
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00:33:46,459 --> 00:33:50,876
because back then they
didn't have the skills to
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00:33:51,084 --> 00:33:54,168
make a young actor look like and an
old man and make it look believable.
444
00:33:54,918 --> 00:33:56,543
But this film is rather bold.
445
00:33:56,668 --> 00:34:00,584
They just turned his hair white,
added a beard,
446
00:34:00,668 --> 00:34:04,043
and had him wear glasses. That's all.
447
00:34:04,084 --> 00:34:11,418
I thought, strangely, that Hyun Kill-soo's
makeup was believable.
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00:34:12,001 --> 00:34:18,459
And Choi Bool-am, despite not
being that old at the time,
449
00:34:18,668 --> 00:34:21,084
nothing is lacking when he
appears as the older Hwang Bau.
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00:34:21,168 --> 00:34:22,418
Nothing at all.
451
00:34:23,959 --> 00:34:26,084
But now Jeong Yun-Hui
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- is strange.
- She's awkward.
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00:34:27,834 --> 00:34:35,126
Later on, when Hah Myung-joong calls
her an old lady, it's awkward.
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00:34:35,793 --> 00:34:38,043
I guess it just couldn't be helped
with Jeong Yun-Hui.
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00:34:39,251 --> 00:34:42,334
The dark scenes, they're much better
456
00:34:42,418 --> 00:34:45,084
- compared to the previous version.
- They are.
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00:34:45,626 --> 00:34:49,543
Like the scene when Oh goes to
the principal's house.
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00:34:52,168 --> 00:34:56,126
When the director and cinematographer
shoot these scenes,
459
00:34:56,209 --> 00:35:00,251
they have to think a lot about
how much exposure they want.
460
00:35:02,251 --> 00:35:08,376
If it's dark, it may seem realistic,
but the audience is likely to complain.
461
00:35:08,959 --> 00:35:13,626
So this isn't an easy issue.
462
00:35:15,209 --> 00:35:17,569
Back then, they usually shot
the scenes with bright lighting
463
00:35:18,126 --> 00:35:25,584
and pretended it was night.
464
00:35:25,668 --> 00:35:29,293
They'd just add blue moonlight lighting,
that was the practice then.
465
00:35:29,793 --> 00:35:35,126
But the night scenes in this film
are quite realistic.
466
00:35:36,793 --> 00:35:41,668
Lee really pursued such realism
467
00:35:42,251 --> 00:35:43,501
throughout the entire film.
468
00:35:43,668 --> 00:35:46,334
Starting with his resistance
to shooting on sets.
469
00:35:50,626 --> 00:35:53,126
Jung Il-sung was also a very
ambitious cinematographer.
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00:35:53,168 --> 00:35:55,209
He was famous.
471
00:35:55,293 --> 00:35:57,709
I think the two really
came together well here.
472
00:35:59,084 --> 00:36:03,959
He was as ambitious as Alex Hong,
who shot Mother and The Wailing
473
00:36:05,876 --> 00:36:12,334
And he was legendary for not
shying away from challenges.
474
00:36:14,126 --> 00:36:18,293
They say Lee usually accepted the
demands of his cinematographer.
475
00:36:18,334 --> 00:36:19,519
Lee Doo-Yong shoots his films quickly,
476
00:36:19,543 --> 00:36:23,293
but it takes a long time
to prepare everything.
477
00:36:23,543 --> 00:36:27,959
This scene here,
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00:36:28,084 --> 00:36:32,334
I laughed out loud
watching this scene.
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The teacher hears a partisan laughing
below and asks who it is.
480
00:36:42,376 --> 00:36:52,001
I think this setting was brilliant, the
contrast between the top and bottom.
481
00:36:52,959 --> 00:36:57,376
It makes you think about what the
people below must be going through,
482
00:36:58,376 --> 00:37:04,251
what they must be thinking
with death approaching.
483
00:37:04,376 --> 00:37:08,334
Although they gang rape
the girl and are like beasts,
484
00:37:08,959 --> 00:37:14,959
you feel sorry for them,
this group of men.
485
00:37:23,293 --> 00:37:26,001
This film really does have
a lot of night scenes.
486
00:37:29,584 --> 00:37:36,376
On one hand, this film pursues realism,
but on the other...
487
00:37:36,459 --> 00:37:39,668
Now at the center of
the story lies gold,
488
00:37:40,334 --> 00:37:43,418
and the whereabouts of all that gold
489
00:37:44,334 --> 00:37:47,584
is also kind of like an old
'Manchurian western.'
490
00:37:48,209 --> 00:37:54,334
They talk about a treasure map marking
the location of the hidden gold.
491
00:37:55,084 --> 00:38:00,043
Now, Lee Dae-keun gets greedy,
and it's so typical of this actor.
492
00:38:00,126 --> 00:38:08,209
It's déjà-vu of him in the days
of the Manchurian western.
493
00:38:11,126 --> 00:38:13,459
What do you think about the actor,
Lee Dae-keun?
494
00:38:14,376 --> 00:38:19,959
In this film, he doesn't seem like
the Lee Dae-keun that we know.
495
00:38:20,459 --> 00:38:25,043
His presence is still strong,
496
00:38:25,668 --> 00:38:31,918
but we don't see the
exaggerated gestures
497
00:38:32,001 --> 00:38:40,501
or his characteristic
cranky expression,
498
00:38:40,543 --> 00:38:44,668
which the comedians mimic at times.
499
00:38:45,043 --> 00:38:49,251
I like Lee's acting in this
film because of that.
500
00:38:51,168 --> 00:38:56,876
He also seems very believable.
501
00:38:59,209 --> 00:39:04,501
Back then, leading the youth association,
which captured commies,
502
00:39:05,293 --> 00:39:12,293
and wanting to have power, succeed
and get a hold of some money,
503
00:39:12,376 --> 00:39:15,918
he is a character who now takes
advantage of this opportunity
504
00:39:16,001 --> 00:39:23,334
for such goals,
and it all seems so real.
505
00:39:27,418 --> 00:39:28,793
He's sly....
506
00:39:30,001 --> 00:39:32,668
- He's actually quite a talented actor.
- He is.
507
00:39:32,751 --> 00:39:38,501
In some films, he exaggerates
as a loafer,
508
00:39:38,668 --> 00:39:44,626
but in other films, he really
shows his talent like this.
509
00:39:45,501 --> 00:39:47,418
I really enjoyed this scene.
510
00:39:49,876 --> 00:39:57,959
Hyun Kill-soo glaring at the other person
like that may seem old-fashioned,
511
00:39:58,459 --> 00:40:01,334
but a partisan in that situation,
512
00:40:01,418 --> 00:40:11,417
hunted down and having gone
without food for days,
513
00:40:13,043 --> 00:40:14,709
if a person like that
514
00:40:14,959 --> 00:40:20,542
were to face the leader of the group
that is trying to kill them,
515
00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:26,543
he wouldn't want to be intimidated.
516
00:40:26,626 --> 00:40:32,626
And he may also have that
pride as a communist.
517
00:40:33,209 --> 00:40:39,918
So for many reasons,
518
00:40:41,376 --> 00:40:45,918
I think he would want to stare
his opponent down like that.
519
00:40:46,001 --> 00:40:53,459
Lee thought the actor's appearance,
image was very important when casting,
520
00:40:53,543 --> 00:40:57,043
even more so than the popularity
or acting skills of the actor.
521
00:40:57,251 --> 00:40:59,543
I think that was the way he was.
522
00:41:00,543 --> 00:41:06,584
I think his taste in casting
really shone here.
523
00:41:09,084 --> 00:41:10,543
But isn't that really important?
524
00:41:10,626 --> 00:41:15,543
Before we think about the acting, the
image the actor physically conveys,
525
00:41:15,626 --> 00:41:18,626
- isn't that important?
- I think so.
526
00:41:21,501 --> 00:41:25,001
There is an aspect that acting
skills cannot cover,
527
00:41:25,084 --> 00:41:30,168
that cannot be sufficiently expressed
with makeup or costumes.
528
00:41:30,251 --> 00:41:33,251
What the appearance of the actor
clearly conveys,
529
00:41:33,334 --> 00:41:36,376
one may be born with
such an appearance,
530
00:41:36,418 --> 00:41:40,418
but I think it's also determined largely
by how that person has lived life.
531
00:41:40,626 --> 00:41:45,251
So it shows in the character.
532
00:41:55,668 --> 00:41:58,459
I wish the old films wouldn't
use music like this.
533
00:42:01,043 --> 00:42:03,293
Still, this film doesn't have
a lot of music.
534
00:42:03,376 --> 00:42:04,751
No, not a lot.
535
00:42:05,543 --> 00:42:09,043
Thanks to the director, who managed
to maintain a cool and dry attitude
536
00:42:09,626 --> 00:42:14,459
when making this film,
537
00:42:15,418 --> 00:42:19,793
there isn't a lot of exaggerated music
538
00:42:20,376 --> 00:42:22,626
that sounds funny when
we listen to it now.
539
00:42:23,418 --> 00:42:26,258
The film doesn't use much music. We
don't hear that kind of music often.
540
00:42:27,334 --> 00:42:35,043
That's why the whistling
and the pansori song,
541
00:42:35,126 --> 00:42:37,501
they shine in this film.
542
00:42:37,876 --> 00:42:39,709
It was very daring at the time.
543
00:42:48,126 --> 00:42:49,918
If it were nowadays,
544
00:42:50,043 --> 00:42:55,418
we couldn't burn the entire
school building like that
545
00:42:55,501 --> 00:42:57,543
- so easily.
- No, we couldn't.
546
00:42:57,584 --> 00:43:03,376
It clearly shows how ambitious
this film was at the time.
547
00:43:06,126 --> 00:43:12,751
This set, I think they shot
this place separately,
548
00:43:13,209 --> 00:43:15,626
under the classroom,
where the partisans hide.
549
00:43:15,709 --> 00:43:17,185
- They probably did.
- Don't you think so?
550
00:43:17,209 --> 00:43:18,584
They probably did.
551
00:43:20,543 --> 00:43:22,626
I heard that they bought
a closed school building.
552
00:43:22,668 --> 00:43:23,959
Is that right?
553
00:43:24,001 --> 00:43:30,459
The panorama was probably shot
at the school that they purchased,
554
00:43:30,543 --> 00:43:35,584
and the scenes below were
probably shot separately.
555
00:43:35,834 --> 00:43:42,959
They edited the film so well, that
you can't feel any difference.
556
00:43:43,584 --> 00:43:46,209
The scenes connect so naturally.
557
00:43:46,584 --> 00:43:49,709
The extras break their fall
as they die.
558
00:43:52,043 --> 00:43:53,709
They all do.
559
00:43:55,918 --> 00:43:58,168
Yes, it is kind of awkward here.
560
00:43:58,334 --> 00:44:01,626
They first throw away their
machine guns, and then,
561
00:44:08,084 --> 00:44:14,126
when we watch the films we make now,
562
00:44:14,751 --> 00:44:19,251
20 or 30 years from now,
there will definitely be funny scenes.
563
00:44:20,751 --> 00:44:24,209
I guess we're always trying
so they won't end up like that.
564
00:44:24,293 --> 00:44:26,251
We try to be so, so careful.
565
00:44:26,584 --> 00:44:32,501
But all the excellent works,
including The Last Witness,
566
00:44:33,543 --> 00:44:40,709
are the films that have few awkward
or funny scenes like that
567
00:44:40,793 --> 00:44:42,251
despite the passage of time.
568
00:44:42,751 --> 00:44:45,793
Even if they do have such moments,
569
00:44:46,209 --> 00:44:48,251
- they are quite entertaining.
- They are.
570
00:44:48,376 --> 00:44:50,751
I got to thinking,
"That's what it was like back then."
571
00:44:51,918 --> 00:44:57,751
And rather than think of
this as an artistic flaw,
572
00:44:57,959 --> 00:45:04,709
I think it was inevitable since the way
people think has now changed.
573
00:45:04,793 --> 00:45:12,126
This is also an interesting element
to watch out for.
574
00:45:17,501 --> 00:45:22,251
Bau, this Hwang Bau.
Isn't he a character
575
00:45:22,793 --> 00:45:25,876
who's at the very center of this film?
576
00:45:29,459 --> 00:45:31,751
- It's not Son Jihye
- That's right.
577
00:45:32,668 --> 00:45:35,959
At the center is actually Hwang Bau.
578
00:45:38,043 --> 00:45:45,709
Here, there are these handsome,
pretty and smart people,
579
00:45:46,751 --> 00:45:52,209
but the most stupid and dull character
580
00:45:52,584 --> 00:45:56,459
who barely learns to read in prison...
581
00:45:59,334 --> 00:46:04,959
This farmhand, who is of
the lowest social class,
582
00:46:06,418 --> 00:46:12,668
to be able to put this farmhand as
the main character of this film....
583
00:46:13,793 --> 00:46:17,751
The director seems to think
that he represents
584
00:46:17,793 --> 00:46:20,168
something in the Korean people.
585
00:46:20,626 --> 00:46:23,126
I showed this film to my students
a few days ago,
586
00:46:23,376 --> 00:46:27,626
and after watching the film with no
information at all, they were shocked.
587
00:46:27,876 --> 00:46:29,709
They said it was very interesting,
588
00:46:29,751 --> 00:46:32,543
that they were able to learn
many things they hadn't known.
589
00:46:33,751 --> 00:46:36,501
That's the power of classics,
590
00:46:38,876 --> 00:46:44,834
and the people, well all
civilization has changed,
591
00:46:44,918 --> 00:46:48,918
but I think this film clearly
dealt with something
592
00:46:49,209 --> 00:46:52,751
that any Korean would inevitably feel.
593
00:46:52,918 --> 00:46:55,918
Through Hwang Bau....
594
00:46:58,918 --> 00:47:07,293
Amidst this battle of ideologies
and all these evil people,
595
00:47:07,376 --> 00:47:12,834
public authority and corrupt
civil servants,
596
00:47:12,918 --> 00:47:15,043
he accepts everything and
just bears everything.
597
00:47:16,709 --> 00:47:24,168
Rather than the power of the people,
598
00:47:25,959 --> 00:47:28,084
it's like this fullness
that accepts everything.
599
00:47:28,168 --> 00:47:32,334
We see that here.
600
00:47:32,834 --> 00:47:39,959
Of course, some people may complain
601
00:47:40,334 --> 00:47:46,626
that it's too submissive and passive,
602
00:47:48,001 --> 00:47:51,668
but here, in a way, I am moved by it.
603
00:47:53,834 --> 00:47:57,334
These cuts are also quite daring,
aren't they?
604
00:47:57,501 --> 00:48:00,751
Yes, Lee was famous for that.
605
00:48:01,418 --> 00:48:03,834
In a dramatic angle,
606
00:48:03,918 --> 00:48:07,918
suddenly the mood of the interrogation
completely changes.
607
00:48:08,876 --> 00:48:13,418
Here, he practically kills a man
with his words.
608
00:48:14,001 --> 00:48:17,418
They talk about torture
resulting in death,
609
00:48:17,876 --> 00:48:21,001
but he didn't touch him,
just with words he tortures him,
610
00:48:21,293 --> 00:48:26,918
sentences him to death
and executes the punishment.
611
00:48:27,001 --> 00:48:33,501
This scene is more expressionism
612
00:48:34,709 --> 00:48:37,918
it its angle and effect.
613
00:48:49,876 --> 00:48:52,751
In this film, when the camera
captures the street,
614
00:48:52,959 --> 00:48:55,876
some roads are desolate and lonely,
615
00:48:56,001 --> 00:48:58,876
while in others, something
like a car passes by,
616
00:48:58,959 --> 00:49:05,959
like people on bikes and a bier.
617
00:49:08,209 --> 00:49:10,490
They adequately create the
necessary emotions at the time.
618
00:49:20,959 --> 00:49:27,626
Of the many secrets, some
are now revealed
619
00:49:27,709 --> 00:49:30,418
and people start to die.
620
00:49:31,918 --> 00:49:39,959
Now, Detective Oh gets
involved in this case.
621
00:49:40,001 --> 00:49:46,543
He is in too deep for an investigator.
622
00:49:46,918 --> 00:49:51,084
And I think this moment is when the
story simultaneously runs on two tracks,
623
00:49:51,126 --> 00:49:58,584
one being his personal story.
624
00:50:06,001 --> 00:50:11,418
The police station, if it were a set,
they wouldn't have made it like that.
625
00:50:11,459 --> 00:50:12,876
The police station....
626
00:50:12,918 --> 00:50:18,751
I think these elements clearly
make the film more realistic.
627
00:50:19,501 --> 00:50:24,209
If it were nowadays, we would
first find a place like that
628
00:50:24,418 --> 00:50:26,168
and then create a set just like it.
629
00:50:27,793 --> 00:50:33,000
That way we would simultaneously
pursue a realistic feel
630
00:50:33,001 --> 00:50:35,060
and conveniently seek various
ways of expression in the film.
631
00:50:35,084 --> 00:50:37,459
But this film is shot
in so many locations.
632
00:50:37,876 --> 00:50:40,834
They couldn't make sets
for all of them,
633
00:50:41,709 --> 00:50:45,501
so they shot at actual locations
634
00:50:45,584 --> 00:50:49,709
despite the inconvenience.
635
00:50:51,793 --> 00:50:56,209
That gesture, picking up the phone,
the receiver like that,
636
00:50:57,126 --> 00:51:00,168
it's exaggerated and seems funny now.
637
00:51:01,793 --> 00:51:07,001
Those night scenes, where
the sky is blue like that.
638
00:51:07,084 --> 00:51:12,001
Lee Doo-Yong said that that was
639
00:51:12,043 --> 00:51:16,001
his favorite time to shoot films.
640
00:51:16,209 --> 00:51:21,334
If you shoot at night,
the image will be all dark,
641
00:51:21,459 --> 00:51:26,043
but if you shoot right after
the sun has set,
642
00:51:26,209 --> 00:51:29,126
then the sky comes out blue like that.
643
00:51:29,376 --> 00:51:35,501
The director is asking the audience
to see that as night,
644
00:51:35,918 --> 00:51:38,144
but in fact, just looking at the sky,
it doesn't really seem like night.
645
00:51:38,168 --> 00:51:43,209
But it's definitely better than a pitch
dark sky where nothing is visible.
646
00:51:43,334 --> 00:51:50,168
And that gives this kind of vitality
to the image on the screen.
647
00:51:52,126 --> 00:51:55,043
These bridge scenes are
really interesting.
648
00:51:55,251 --> 00:51:58,668
Lee could have left them out, but
the characters all have their stories,
649
00:51:58,709 --> 00:52:00,269
- as you said a while ago.
- Don't they?
650
00:52:00,418 --> 00:52:03,251
That actor was really good.
651
00:52:06,168 --> 00:52:08,959
And when we move on to the next cut,
we see a place
652
00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:11,283
- where those people might have lived in.
- That's right.
653
00:52:12,501 --> 00:52:16,001
We also hear about a son
who died in Vietnam,
654
00:52:16,126 --> 00:52:18,209
and there's the person going
to Seoul to earn money.
655
00:52:18,459 --> 00:52:21,334
The director showed us the atmosphere
of the times through them.
656
00:52:23,084 --> 00:52:29,918
From the moment Oh goes
to meet Son Jihye,
657
00:52:30,001 --> 00:52:34,793
and after he kills a man,
658
00:52:37,501 --> 00:52:42,084
is nicer to them.
659
00:52:42,126 --> 00:52:46,126
See here, he gives the kid some money
to go get some sweets,
660
00:52:50,584 --> 00:52:54,459
and I felt that he was
becoming kinder than before.
661
00:52:59,501 --> 00:53:03,418
That chamber pot,
we can't see it nowadays.
662
00:53:05,126 --> 00:53:08,084
One thing we can find even today
would be those cigarettes.
663
00:53:08,168 --> 00:53:09,001
Yes, really.
664
00:53:09,168 --> 00:53:11,293
- They smoke everywhere.
- Constantly.
665
00:53:12,959 --> 00:53:16,084
I don't think we'd be able to see this
on EBS, the education channel.
666
00:53:17,751 --> 00:53:21,376
There is an American TV drama
I like called Mad Men.
667
00:53:21,459 --> 00:53:27,251
Scenes of the 1960s and '70s
keep popping up
668
00:53:27,334 --> 00:53:30,376
and there, all the people
constantly smoke.
669
00:53:30,709 --> 00:53:34,251
That itself is something to watch,
just marvelous,
670
00:53:34,334 --> 00:53:35,959
but I think it's the same in this film.
671
00:53:36,043 --> 00:53:38,126
- It's a tool for the mise-en-scène.
- It is.
672
00:53:38,209 --> 00:53:41,168
- It's also an important acting tool.
- A tool for acting.
673
00:53:45,209 --> 00:53:49,418
Another alley lined with bars
like this appeared earlier,
674
00:53:50,168 --> 00:53:52,227
and this is also something that
we can't see nowadays.
675
00:53:52,251 --> 00:53:54,209
We don't have them anymore.
676
00:53:56,709 --> 00:53:59,918
It was an actual location that
677
00:54:03,084 --> 00:54:07,251
I was too young to visit at that time,
678
00:54:07,334 --> 00:54:13,043
but the mise-en-scène and
the color arrangements,
679
00:54:13,834 --> 00:54:19,376
they paid them a lot of attention, as
if an art director had arranged them.
680
00:54:19,834 --> 00:54:27,209
It's very realistic and natural,
yet it retains a unique beauty.
681
00:54:27,793 --> 00:54:29,793
I think it's a very good scene.
682
00:54:30,751 --> 00:54:34,459
I think this was Jung Il-sung's taste.
683
00:54:34,543 --> 00:54:37,251
- He probably placed a lot
of things there.
- Yes.
684
00:54:37,543 --> 00:54:40,543
He'd say, "It's empty here," and keep
telling people to put something there.
685
00:54:41,584 --> 00:54:46,251
Though he was a cinematographer, he
did the work of an art director, too.
686
00:54:48,543 --> 00:54:51,304
The way I see it, the color arrangements
also seem to be Jung's taste.
687
00:54:51,418 --> 00:54:54,668
Lee was so impatient,
688
00:54:54,751 --> 00:54:57,376
that the people clap like that when
the song hasn't even ended,
689
00:54:57,626 --> 00:54:59,334
praising the song.
690
00:55:12,293 --> 00:55:18,418
These scenes are also something
we can only see in movies.
691
00:55:18,876 --> 00:55:21,227
It's a little rough, but the film
first shows the silhouette
692
00:55:21,251 --> 00:55:23,310
and shows us shots of the
people's response, and then....
693
00:55:23,334 --> 00:55:25,793
She is wearing such a
vividly colored dress.
694
00:55:26,543 --> 00:55:29,918
At first we see her
only as a dark shadow,
695
00:55:30,251 --> 00:55:34,293
then the moment she appears,
she appears in such strong colors.
696
00:55:34,709 --> 00:55:43,334
I think this shows what
excellent taste and sense
697
00:55:43,501 --> 00:55:46,793
Lee and the cinematographer had.
698
00:55:48,668 --> 00:55:51,751
This is also a typical
Lee Doo-Yong-style situation,
699
00:55:52,293 --> 00:55:53,876
and these are really funny.
700
00:55:54,043 --> 00:55:58,709
The people who come to watch this
film just because of the director
701
00:55:58,793 --> 00:56:01,959
would say at this point, "At last,
it's a Lee Doo-Yong film."
702
00:56:05,251 --> 00:56:09,418
It's a very simple and short scene,
703
00:56:09,584 --> 00:56:12,418
but it has enormous power.
704
00:56:14,334 --> 00:56:17,293
He really shot it easily,
in a simple way.
705
00:56:18,459 --> 00:56:23,918
Shooting a fight scene with a martial
artist like Donnie Yen may be easy,
706
00:56:23,959 --> 00:56:30,334
but Hah Myung-joong was
not that kind of actor.
707
00:56:31,168 --> 00:56:35,001
So the director's skills come out
in scenes like this.
708
00:56:36,459 --> 00:56:40,709
Lee's action scenes are slightly
shorter than those of other directors.
709
00:56:40,793 --> 00:56:41,584
The shots.
710
00:56:41,668 --> 00:56:48,293
So it feels like there would be additional
frames, but they're cut short,
711
00:56:49,376 --> 00:56:54,418
giving the audience a sense of speed.
712
00:56:54,459 --> 00:57:00,043
In some shots, Lee fast-forwarded
the frames to make them short
713
00:57:00,168 --> 00:57:04,168
and stressed the speed even more.
714
00:57:10,459 --> 00:57:12,376
This scene is also interesting.
715
00:57:12,418 --> 00:57:15,209
I think this is a truly
masterful scene.
716
00:57:15,543 --> 00:57:22,126
Detective Oh shows for the first time
717
00:57:22,668 --> 00:57:28,501
how adept he is in a physical fight.
718
00:57:29,459 --> 00:57:33,334
Then he is so shy,
more so than ever before.
719
00:57:40,418 --> 00:57:41,668
In the train....
720
00:57:41,834 --> 00:57:47,334
Of course, he did
kill a man unintentionally,
721
00:57:47,459 --> 00:57:52,668
but in the train, he mixes with
the people leading tough lives,
722
00:57:52,751 --> 00:57:58,709
exchanges drinks with them,
then visits a poor neighborhood,
723
00:57:59,501 --> 00:58:07,084
and meets a woman leading
a harsh life here in this bar.
724
00:58:07,168 --> 00:58:13,459
The wrath that has accumulated
now explodes at these hoodlums,
725
00:58:29,043 --> 00:58:35,334
and she leans on him
and smokes like that.
726
00:58:35,418 --> 00:58:37,293
- It's so pitiful.
- It is.
727
00:58:37,376 --> 00:58:39,168
It's a brief moment,
728
00:58:40,293 --> 00:58:44,084
but with the lipstick all smeared
over her face like that,
729
00:58:44,459 --> 00:58:50,001
a woman beaten by men
and looked down on,
730
00:58:50,084 --> 00:58:54,543
then the moment the two lean against
each other and smoke,
731
00:58:54,626 --> 00:59:00,001
the director could have extended
this moment of affection,
732
00:59:00,418 --> 00:59:04,376
but immediately, he has Oh
mention Son Jihye's name,
733
00:59:04,459 --> 00:59:08,501
and she asks how he knew
734
00:59:08,543 --> 00:59:10,209
and just shatters the mood.
735
00:59:11,668 --> 00:59:13,501
It's hard-boiled,
736
00:59:13,543 --> 00:59:15,001
the rhythm of the film.
737
00:59:15,543 --> 00:59:18,501
Even if it is,
738
00:59:18,543 --> 00:59:22,043
if the film had been hard-boiled without
these affectionate moments,
739
00:59:22,126 --> 00:59:23,477
it would not have been interesting.
740
00:59:23,501 --> 00:59:30,459
Such scenes exist, but he shatters them,
leaving them so brief
741
00:59:30,876 --> 00:59:36,668
that the film seems harsh, and we
sympathize more with the characters.
742
00:59:44,084 --> 00:59:47,251
Jeong Yun-Hui, well,
743
00:59:48,834 --> 00:59:53,543
no one says she was a good actress,
744
00:59:54,126 --> 00:59:58,543
but I don't think she was
such a bad actress either.
745
00:59:58,918 --> 01:00:03,251
In particular, watching her films
after a long time like this,
746
01:00:04,293 --> 01:00:08,709
I think her acting is actually
better and more modern
747
01:00:09,584 --> 01:00:13,334
than any other actress who gave
impassioned performances.
748
01:00:14,876 --> 01:00:19,709
I don't know what she was
like in real life.
749
01:00:20,668 --> 01:00:25,959
People say that she wasn't
ambitious about acting,
750
01:00:26,001 --> 01:00:29,168
that she wasn't really passionate
about acting or about being good,
751
01:00:30,543 --> 01:00:36,209
and people often compared her
with Marilyn Monroe.
752
01:00:36,293 --> 01:00:38,751
They have their similarities,
753
01:00:39,376 --> 01:00:44,876
but Monroe was always conscious of
how men were attracted to her,
754
01:00:45,084 --> 01:00:50,668
about her mighty sex appeal,
755
01:00:50,751 --> 01:00:51,293
so to speak.
756
01:00:51,334 --> 01:00:53,793
She herself was aware of this,
757
01:00:54,376 --> 01:00:59,834
but I think Jeong thought,
"What's all the fuss with these men?"
758
01:01:00,584 --> 01:01:04,543
Did I do something wrong?
As if being pretty were a sin,
759
01:01:04,668 --> 01:01:09,834
I think she thought she had done
something wrong. She was indifferent.
760
01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:17,709
She kept her distance as a person who
didn't think she was all that pretty,
761
01:01:18,084 --> 01:01:22,584
and I think that came out
in her careless acting.
762
01:01:23,543 --> 01:01:26,126
She seems aloof.
763
01:01:27,043 --> 01:01:29,584
Of course she cries
and is sometimes sad,
764
01:01:29,668 --> 01:01:35,251
and even then she doesn't explode
with excessive emotions.
765
01:01:35,668 --> 01:01:41,001
Whether that was intended or not,
766
01:01:42,334 --> 01:01:48,168
watching it after such a long time,
her acting doesn't seem awkward.
767
01:01:48,668 --> 01:01:50,959
After hearing you say that,
I really think you are right.
768
01:01:52,334 --> 01:01:53,959
You just cannot not like her.
769
01:01:54,043 --> 01:02:00,751
It would have been so good if she'd
made better films with better directors.
770
01:02:04,709 --> 01:02:07,584
Lee said that when they
shot this scene,
771
01:02:07,668 --> 01:02:11,043
Jeong Yun-Hui cooked for the crew.
772
01:02:11,668 --> 01:02:14,251
- The entire crew were mesmerized.
- Wow.
773
01:02:15,084 --> 01:02:17,668
It's unimaginable nowadays.
774
01:02:42,751 --> 01:02:46,751
In that situation,
if it were a different film,
775
01:02:46,834 --> 01:02:52,168
Lee Dae-keun would
puff through his nostrils
776
01:02:52,459 --> 01:02:56,584
and exaggerate his acting,
777
01:02:56,709 --> 01:02:59,543
but here he keeps it simple.
778
01:02:59,584 --> 01:03:03,126
I like the Lee Dae-keun
in this film the most.
779
01:03:06,709 --> 01:03:09,334
If we look back at the 1970s,
he didn't just shoot action films.
780
01:03:09,376 --> 01:03:11,352
He appeared in a lot of film
adaptations of literary works.
781
01:03:11,376 --> 01:03:13,543
- Lee Dae-keun shot...
- That's right.
782
01:03:14,668 --> 01:03:16,251
A lot of films.
783
01:03:16,334 --> 01:03:20,418
But he established an image from
films in which he played a loafer.
784
01:03:21,751 --> 01:03:23,959
Han Ji-il...
785
01:03:28,834 --> 01:03:34,876
- This is also very beautiful.
- Yes, so beautiful it seems unrealistic.
786
01:03:42,418 --> 01:03:45,584
The director uses the zoom lens
often in this film.
787
01:03:46,584 --> 01:03:48,876
Lee didn't hesitate to use it.
788
01:03:48,959 --> 01:03:50,418
He uses it all the time,
789
01:03:50,543 --> 01:03:52,709
but strangely that creates
such a good rhythm.
790
01:03:52,751 --> 01:03:53,751
It does.
791
01:03:53,959 --> 01:03:59,251
Directors who want to shoot a somewhat
dignified film avoid the zoom lens,
792
01:04:00,793 --> 01:04:04,834
but if you want to use it, then you
should like Lee, without any hesitation.
793
01:04:04,918 --> 01:04:07,398
As if to tell the world,
"What's wrong with using a zoom lens?"
794
01:04:07,668 --> 01:04:09,959
From the first shot in this film,
795
01:04:10,001 --> 01:04:14,126
from the scene where the lawyer
Kim Jungyeop, here now, is killed,
796
01:04:14,209 --> 01:04:16,959
Lee boldly uses the zoom lens.
797
01:04:17,876 --> 01:04:22,293
Night scenes require
a lot of lighting,
798
01:04:22,501 --> 01:04:23,810
so directors tend not to use
the zoom lens.
799
01:04:23,834 --> 01:04:26,168
When you use the zoom lens,
800
01:04:26,209 --> 01:04:27,876
you can't get a lot of exposure.
801
01:04:28,959 --> 01:04:34,168
So directors tend to avoid the zoom
lens when shooting night scenes,
802
01:04:34,209 --> 01:04:38,251
but Lee doesn't seem to care whether
the object is visible or not,
803
01:04:38,793 --> 01:04:43,793
whether the entire screen
just turns black,
804
01:04:44,834 --> 01:04:48,043
he just starts the film by zooming in.
805
01:04:51,876 --> 01:04:57,418
Look at how he takes advantage
of the light reflected in the nacre.
806
01:05:01,918 --> 01:05:06,626
If not for the nacre,
the scene would be just black,
807
01:05:07,001 --> 01:05:13,459
but by using the reflection,
Lee gives the scene this energy.
808
01:05:14,918 --> 01:05:17,834
Then he just shoots with
the face dark like that.
809
01:05:19,376 --> 01:05:27,543
I think this scene goes with
the gang rape under the classroom.
810
01:05:44,834 --> 01:05:51,376
There's something peculiar
about Han Ji-il here, isn't there?
811
01:05:51,501 --> 01:05:53,334
He was a poor actor.
812
01:05:53,418 --> 01:05:56,084
He emerged as an action star,
and appeared as Han So-ryong.
813
01:05:56,168 --> 01:05:57,352
- Han So-ryong at first.
- That's right, Han So-ryong.
814
01:05:57,376 --> 01:06:00,293
I think that's how his name came up
in the credits in this film, as well.
815
01:06:00,543 --> 01:06:02,001
Han So-ryong.
816
01:06:02,876 --> 01:06:06,043
His acting wasn't good, true,
817
01:06:07,293 --> 01:06:13,126
but he led a turbulent life
as a movie producer later on.
818
01:06:17,459 --> 01:06:23,501
Hwang Bau's behavior here,
819
01:06:23,543 --> 01:06:26,709
and Choi Bool-am's acting,
820
01:06:28,001 --> 01:06:29,918
they really moved me.
821
01:06:30,376 --> 01:06:36,334
You wonder if a person could
really be like that,
822
01:06:36,959 --> 01:06:41,293
accept everything and take
the blame for everything,
823
01:06:43,668 --> 01:06:45,626
without bearing a grudge
against anyone.
824
01:06:54,251 --> 01:06:55,293
I don't know.
825
01:06:55,376 --> 01:07:00,543
The audience may complain
that there's no one like that,
826
01:07:00,668 --> 01:07:02,519
but I think people like that
existed in the old days.
827
01:07:02,543 --> 01:07:03,668
I agree.
828
01:07:05,293 --> 01:07:08,001
The editing here is also quite modern.
829
01:07:08,834 --> 01:07:16,876
Lee showed Jeong Yun-Hui as if
she were in the prison visiting room,
830
01:07:16,918 --> 01:07:20,626
but when the camera zooms out,
she's somewhere else.
831
01:07:26,334 --> 01:07:33,751
I think Lee really showed
his legendary editing skills
832
01:07:34,126 --> 01:07:37,334
here in this film.
833
01:07:39,209 --> 01:07:43,293
And the character played by
Lee Dae-keun is actually,
834
01:07:43,376 --> 01:07:45,209
he's not such a typical character.
835
01:07:45,293 --> 01:07:47,709
He's not portrayed like the devil.
836
01:07:47,751 --> 01:07:50,918
- He likes Son Jihye.
- Yes, he really likes her.
837
01:07:51,251 --> 01:07:54,334
He complains about how cold
she still is towards him
838
01:07:56,043 --> 01:07:59,376
and they probably lived
decades like that.
839
01:08:05,043 --> 01:08:08,543
Of course, was it Han Dongju?
840
01:08:08,626 --> 01:08:10,084
Yes.
841
01:08:10,168 --> 01:08:14,084
That villain who has no possibility
of redemption also exists,
842
01:08:14,709 --> 01:08:20,793
but the villains in this film
trigger sympathy
843
01:08:20,834 --> 01:08:26,959
for they seem so human
in a turbulent era.
844
01:08:27,959 --> 01:08:36,209
In a way, they also seem like victims.
845
01:08:37,501 --> 01:08:46,043
So this film remains
a textbook-like film,
846
01:08:46,084 --> 01:08:48,084
a film that is still universal,
847
01:08:48,501 --> 01:08:53,126
that shows aspects of
modern Korean history.
848
01:08:56,834 --> 01:09:00,584
I get the impression that Lee was
very devoted to these scenes here.
849
01:09:00,668 --> 01:09:02,376
They don't just pass by all at once.
850
01:09:02,459 --> 01:09:05,168
From the newspaper printing press,
851
01:09:06,043 --> 01:09:08,668
I feel that the director is trying
to make it more realistic...
852
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:10,269
- That's right.
- by shooting it in this manner.
853
01:09:10,293 --> 01:09:11,810
Really, these scenes weren't necessary,
were they?
854
01:09:11,834 --> 01:09:12,876
No.
855
01:09:13,001 --> 01:09:18,418
In fact, this film is quite long,
over two hours and thirty minutes.
856
01:09:20,084 --> 01:09:25,793
The people who watched the film probably
wanted to cut the running time
857
01:09:26,043 --> 01:09:30,125
like the producer.
858
01:09:30,126 --> 01:09:35,084
The story would develop fine
without these scenes.
859
01:09:35,209 --> 01:09:37,876
Yes, there are a lot of scenes
that don't affect the story.
860
01:09:39,001 --> 01:09:44,501
Word has it, when the film was released,
it was cut by nearly an hour.
861
01:09:44,959 --> 01:09:47,293
But, of course, they did not
shorten the film properly,
862
01:09:47,334 --> 01:09:52,084
so the people who watched it in
theaters couldn't understand the story.
863
01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:56,834
But if a more able person
had edited it down,
864
01:09:56,959 --> 01:09:59,001
they could have made
the story understandable
865
01:09:59,168 --> 01:10:03,709
and still shortened the film
by 30-40 minutes.
866
01:10:04,376 --> 01:10:07,626
But a film gains its personality
867
01:10:07,793 --> 01:10:10,918
from the scenes other people
wouldn't have shot,
868
01:10:11,376 --> 01:10:16,959
by showing scenes that other directors
wouldn't have inserted.
869
01:10:17,084 --> 01:10:19,501
That's how it becomes unique.
870
01:10:19,543 --> 01:10:21,001
True, true.
871
01:10:21,543 --> 01:10:24,459
I think this film is
a perfect example.
872
01:10:24,501 --> 01:10:26,168
It is.
873
01:10:26,501 --> 01:10:29,126
The director creates such
an atmosphere, such a mood.
874
01:10:30,293 --> 01:10:35,959
A director has to put in more effort
when shooting those scenes.
875
01:10:37,168 --> 01:10:41,959
Because the scenes don't affect
the flow of the story.
876
01:10:42,043 --> 01:10:45,334
If he's careless, the scenes will be
discarded during editing.
877
01:10:46,584 --> 01:10:50,501
That's why the director has to put his
life on the line when shooting those.
878
01:10:51,793 --> 01:10:57,334
I think I'll have to record what you just
said and let my students listen.
879
01:10:58,043 --> 01:11:02,043
Any director would know that.
880
01:11:03,751 --> 01:11:12,168
So the supporting roles, the minor roles,
the landscape that passes by
881
01:11:12,251 --> 01:11:17,084
in this film, the various roads, each
one of them is really precious.
882
01:11:21,959 --> 01:11:27,334
This kind of editing, just using
the dreary sound of the wind
883
01:11:29,626 --> 01:11:35,834
and inserting these scenes
from the Korean War,
884
01:11:35,959 --> 01:11:38,918
this was fresh at the time.
885
01:11:51,168 --> 01:11:58,459
Han Hye-sook's line in this
scene is kind of straightforward.
886
01:11:58,709 --> 01:12:01,459
I mean, when did their
relationship develop like this?
887
01:12:03,376 --> 01:12:05,876
But this scene was also
interesting at the same time.
888
01:12:06,126 --> 01:12:07,668
The mention of Oh losing his wife
889
01:12:07,751 --> 01:12:09,209
a few years before.
890
01:12:09,376 --> 01:12:12,751
Then the film abruptly moves
on to the next cut.
891
01:12:13,501 --> 01:12:16,293
I mean the mood,
892
01:12:16,376 --> 01:12:18,144
it seems like something is
about to develop here.
893
01:12:18,168 --> 01:12:19,293
Right.
894
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:31,209
The water sparkles like that,
but the face is very dark.
895
01:12:31,376 --> 01:12:34,543
This is also an evening scene.
We see the moon.
896
01:12:35,001 --> 01:12:39,292
They really waited for the
right time to shoot scenes
897
01:12:39,293 --> 01:12:42,751
just perfect for the mood in this film.
898
01:12:51,251 --> 01:12:53,543
Here again, we see the blue sky.
899
01:12:53,626 --> 01:12:58,501
That time when the sky is that color
is really only a few minutes long.
900
01:12:58,876 --> 01:13:02,001
But in this film, dozens of shots
901
01:13:02,126 --> 01:13:05,709
were taken at that time.
902
01:13:05,793 --> 01:13:12,418
The stubborn determination
of the director
903
01:13:13,043 --> 01:13:14,459
is well displayed in this film.
904
01:13:15,251 --> 01:13:19,168
You're saying that Lee Doo-Yong
liked to shoot at that time of day?
905
01:13:19,251 --> 01:13:20,918
That's right.
906
01:13:22,293 --> 01:13:25,168
Cinematographer Jung Il-sung
once said the same thing.
907
01:13:25,251 --> 01:13:28,126
That they waited for that time,
908
01:13:29,543 --> 01:13:34,543
and that everything would be
ruined if the take was flubbed,
909
01:13:34,668 --> 01:13:37,334
but that they were willing to
deal with the consequences.
910
01:13:38,418 --> 01:13:42,626
Now the scene where
Park Yong-pal appears.
911
01:13:42,876 --> 01:13:48,959
He was an actor who appeared
in a lot of films at that time
912
01:13:50,043 --> 01:13:54,334
and for a long time afterwards,
too, in various films.
913
01:13:54,543 --> 01:13:57,334
He was also very good in speaking
the Jeolla-do dialect.
914
01:13:58,668 --> 01:14:02,251
In real life, he was
a really funny man.
915
01:14:03,459 --> 01:14:06,501
People might say
916
01:14:06,668 --> 01:14:09,834
that his acting was always the same,
917
01:14:10,043 --> 01:14:15,668
but in this film, I think he was funny
and at the same time seemed real.
918
01:14:15,834 --> 01:14:17,001
- He does seem real.
- Yes,
919
01:14:17,043 --> 01:14:20,251
I think sometimes, but not often, he
played those kinds of characters.
920
01:14:20,334 --> 01:14:25,084
His acting in a supporting role
really shines in this film.
921
01:14:26,334 --> 01:14:28,543
He's so cunning.
922
01:14:31,293 --> 01:14:33,334
And in a way hopeless,
923
01:14:33,418 --> 01:14:35,334
- always gambling away.
- True.
924
01:14:35,376 --> 01:14:39,793
Just a brief look and
we can see what kind of life
925
01:14:39,918 --> 01:14:42,543
that character has lived
his whole existence.
926
01:14:48,251 --> 01:14:54,126
Back then, I think everybody just
assumed that a police detective
927
01:14:54,209 --> 01:14:58,376
beat people up.
928
01:14:58,459 --> 01:15:04,543
So, though it's his son, he just asks
Oh not to beat him up too much.
929
01:15:10,126 --> 01:15:15,584
That acting there, for some reason,
sounds like a synchronous recording,
930
01:15:15,709 --> 01:15:17,418
because it was done so well.
931
01:15:23,709 --> 01:15:30,126
I think this may be one of his
lifetime-best performances.
932
01:15:35,918 --> 01:15:39,376
We see the house of a shaman.
933
01:15:44,168 --> 01:15:46,376
- Now...
- He's finally come.
934
01:15:46,418 --> 01:15:54,709
Yes, he now approaches the
key villain in this film.
935
01:15:59,459 --> 01:16:03,626
It's interesting each time he meets
someone new, visiting houses....
936
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:05,001
It is.
937
01:16:05,126 --> 01:16:09,459
The film could have easily
become disorienting
938
01:16:09,543 --> 01:16:14,709
with new characters
constantly appearing,
939
01:16:15,126 --> 01:16:17,668
and with new flashbacks.
940
01:16:17,751 --> 01:16:21,251
I mean, you wonder how far
this film will go,
941
01:16:21,501 --> 01:16:23,751
so it could have been boring,
942
01:16:24,918 --> 01:16:29,418
but by introducing the characters
in each episode
943
01:16:29,584 --> 01:16:35,751
and approaching their residences
in interesting ways,
944
01:16:36,501 --> 01:16:38,560
I think that actually becomes
one of the film's strengths.
945
01:16:38,584 --> 01:16:42,584
Making the audience wonder
who he will meet next,
946
01:16:42,918 --> 01:16:46,501
where he will go,
and what roads he will walk.
947
01:16:48,584 --> 01:16:52,168
Nowadays, you couldn't do that:
948
01:16:52,293 --> 01:16:55,709
a detective searching
a house without a warrant,
949
01:16:55,793 --> 01:16:57,852
- digging through the house.
- And taking everything.
950
01:16:57,876 --> 01:17:03,001
Sometimes, he just stares
and the other person is intimidated.
951
01:17:03,418 --> 01:17:07,543
They're like, "Take everything,
but just don't hit me."
952
01:17:14,459 --> 01:17:18,501
That was influenced a lot by Japan.
953
01:17:18,626 --> 01:17:20,793
The Japanese police.
954
01:17:20,876 --> 01:17:27,168
The film was made in the late '70s,
and when I watch scenes like this,
955
01:17:27,543 --> 01:17:29,310
I think it really was a dark time, with
no awareness of human rights.
956
01:17:29,334 --> 01:17:31,459
- True.
- I mean the authorities.
957
01:17:32,543 --> 01:17:33,918
You're right.
958
01:17:35,251 --> 01:17:37,959
Here, we see a typical scene,
a little later.
959
01:17:38,043 --> 01:17:39,501
Yes.
960
01:17:39,668 --> 01:17:43,584
This person also appeared
in many films,
961
01:17:44,293 --> 01:17:46,459
and here in this film,
962
01:17:49,168 --> 01:17:52,751
I think director Lee liked people
who looked like that.
963
01:17:52,959 --> 01:17:54,834
Tae-il playing Han Dongju.
964
01:17:54,918 --> 01:17:56,751
- He has a similar appearance.
- Yes, he does.
965
01:17:56,959 --> 01:18:00,126
- They look very much like country folk.
- They're similar.
966
01:18:01,168 --> 01:18:04,501
We see a banner about
a spiritual revival, wow.
967
01:18:08,501 --> 01:18:16,418
Some directors can bring out
such good acting with
968
01:18:16,626 --> 01:18:21,668
minor actors who appear
in hundreds of films.
969
01:18:21,834 --> 01:18:25,168
Seeing that just shames
other directors.
970
01:18:25,709 --> 01:18:27,543
I mean with the same actors.
971
01:18:28,668 --> 01:18:31,376
I thought this location
was really brilliant.
972
01:18:31,793 --> 01:18:36,543
Just as he scanned the school hallway,
now he tracks the scene sideways
973
01:18:36,584 --> 01:18:41,668
and even captures the landscape
outside the window.
974
01:18:44,001 --> 01:18:49,168
He also chose the perfect time.
I don't know if it was intentional,
975
01:18:50,793 --> 01:18:55,376
but he cast that dark shadow
on Oh Byungho.
976
01:18:56,459 --> 01:19:01,668
Part of his face stands out while
other parts are buried in darkness.
977
01:19:04,709 --> 01:19:10,293
That smoke from the cigarette is
captured wonderfully by the strong light.
978
01:19:10,793 --> 01:19:16,959
That light makes the line, and
those things are only possible
979
01:19:17,043 --> 01:19:21,584
with artificial lighting, but
the fact that he does it
980
01:19:22,126 --> 01:19:27,043
with natural light shows how
careful he was with the details.
981
01:19:29,918 --> 01:19:33,001
This is also a masterpiece of a scene.
982
01:19:35,668 --> 01:19:42,376
Just when the audience expects
the film to be gloomy throughout,
983
01:19:43,376 --> 01:19:49,293
this scene is very Korean,
very 1970s, very folk-like.
984
01:19:49,376 --> 01:19:53,501
It seems like a very rural scene.
985
01:19:53,584 --> 01:19:55,626
Everyone knows everyone.
986
01:19:56,084 --> 01:19:58,834
Their interests are all connected
in some way.
987
01:20:00,501 --> 01:20:05,501
They've all gone to the same school,
they're all relatives.
988
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:10,668
I thought maybe because
the director was from Seoul,
989
01:20:11,751 --> 01:20:16,293
he was able to make such observations.
990
01:20:16,876 --> 01:20:20,084
I think this actor's performance
was very lively.
991
01:20:22,334 --> 01:20:25,876
This person also speaks the dialect
in a very funny way.
992
01:20:25,918 --> 01:20:29,334
And later in the scene,
where he gets angry,
993
01:20:41,543 --> 01:20:45,251
we see Park Jong-seol nervously
snooping around in the back.
994
01:20:45,501 --> 01:20:52,626
His hair once nicely combed,
now drops to the side like that.
995
01:21:00,084 --> 01:21:05,293
When the chief said, "Hey!" he thought
the chief was standing up to Oh,
996
01:21:05,334 --> 01:21:09,876
ready to confront him.
But it wasn't that.
997
01:21:09,959 --> 01:21:13,501
He yelled, but in fact,
just to tell his subordinates
998
01:21:13,584 --> 01:21:16,043
to be good to Oh.
999
01:21:21,168 --> 01:21:24,251
Once again, this location
was an excellent choice.
1000
01:21:24,334 --> 01:21:27,418
Oh and this bold...
1001
01:21:28,376 --> 01:21:30,751
A bold interrogation method.
1002
01:21:32,459 --> 01:21:36,918
Wow, it's appalling.
1003
01:21:38,834 --> 01:21:45,168
I mean how can he, as soon
as the person from the station leaves,
1004
01:21:45,209 --> 01:21:47,584
in such a frightening manner?
1005
01:21:52,918 --> 01:21:56,709
And how did they find
a place like this.
1006
01:22:01,126 --> 01:22:06,084
I may be exaggerating,
but this place is the sort of place
1007
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:14,834
where the Japanese police
trained in kendo
1008
01:22:15,001 --> 01:22:18,418
during the occupation.
1009
01:22:18,668 --> 01:22:22,501
But at this time, the Korean police
could have used it
1010
01:22:22,584 --> 01:22:27,876
to exercise and train.
1011
01:22:27,959 --> 01:22:29,543
It could be.
1012
01:22:31,626 --> 01:22:38,584
So this location alone reminds us
of modern Korean history
1013
01:22:38,626 --> 01:22:45,126
and I think it was an excellent choice
to make the audience think like that.
1014
01:22:45,959 --> 01:22:49,834
Ironically, in a place where
the police trained physically,
1015
01:22:50,584 --> 01:22:54,001
and practiced martial arts,
1016
01:22:54,126 --> 01:22:56,709
Oh is beating up the man.
1017
01:22:59,376 --> 01:23:04,751
And look at how that country man talks
big in front of the man from Seoul.
1018
01:23:05,126 --> 01:23:10,876
He pretends to be weak, but he's
actually on top of the situation.
1019
01:23:13,084 --> 01:23:14,959
- It's rather frightening.
- It is.
1020
01:23:15,043 --> 01:23:21,418
He seems rustic with
his strong dialect,
1021
01:23:22,293 --> 01:23:28,918
but in his head he's thinking,
"You watch out, boy."
1022
01:23:31,126 --> 01:23:38,876
I think the directing was good,
and so was the acting.
1023
01:23:41,793 --> 01:23:45,084
It's a scene that we can't find
even in the best of Hollywood films.
1024
01:23:49,168 --> 01:23:51,001
And here...
1025
01:23:51,293 --> 01:23:52,501
This atmosphere...
1026
01:23:52,543 --> 01:23:55,418
We see better scenes as we
head toward the end of the film.
1027
01:24:01,251 --> 01:24:05,251
They took advantage of the
short time just after sunset.
1028
01:24:06,168 --> 01:24:09,043
I don't know if we can call this
a day for night,
1029
01:24:09,084 --> 01:24:11,459
but in a broad sense,
I guess it is a day for night.
1030
01:24:11,918 --> 01:24:17,168
I think such preferences of Lee's
really shine here.
1031
01:24:18,126 --> 01:24:21,043
The sky is alive, yet the light,
1032
01:24:22,084 --> 01:24:26,959
the light doesn't reach the actors,
so they're dark.
1033
01:24:27,709 --> 01:24:30,584
They look like dark shadows or ghosts.
1034
01:24:31,918 --> 01:24:36,459
The countrymen are wearing hats,
which make them even less visible.
1035
01:24:36,959 --> 01:24:44,334
The silhouette of the tool, a shovel,
which can turn into a weapon any time.
1036
01:24:44,459 --> 01:24:50,168
That silhouette is highlighted
against the sky.
1037
01:24:52,043 --> 01:24:55,084
In this situation, they just walk,
not saying a word.
1038
01:24:56,126 --> 01:25:01,918
Everything about that scene,
the choice of lens and the editing,
1039
01:25:02,001 --> 01:25:06,751
it is an excellent scene with a unique
charm not found anywhere else.
1040
01:25:08,459 --> 01:25:16,584
Watching this film again
after a long time,
1041
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:20,834
I feel the acting is awkward
in some scenes,
1042
01:25:21,126 --> 01:25:26,084
and the lines old-fashioned,
1043
01:25:26,209 --> 01:25:32,459
but I think I am more impressed
than before with the good scenes.
1044
01:25:36,251 --> 01:25:40,834
Now here, the chief talks about
how he is bearing the cross
1045
01:25:40,918 --> 01:25:45,418
and I think the lines stand out
against the scene.
1046
01:25:45,501 --> 01:25:48,168
Excessive.
1047
01:25:52,293 --> 01:25:56,168
We don't hear those kind of lines
in today's films.
1048
01:25:57,918 --> 01:26:01,918
Those scenes are
embarrassing to watch.
1049
01:26:02,418 --> 01:26:08,043
I think perhaps they paid too much
attention to the chief character,
1050
01:26:08,084 --> 01:26:10,126
the writer and the director.
1051
01:26:12,126 --> 01:26:17,209
I guess too much affection
was toxic in this case.
1052
01:26:17,376 --> 01:26:20,418
Or perhaps they needed a police station
to shoot the film.
1053
01:26:21,876 --> 01:26:27,084
They could be saying,
"We like the police."
1054
01:26:34,209 --> 01:26:40,418
I haven't seen a person working as
an office girl like that in a long time.
1055
01:26:42,126 --> 01:26:47,084
Here, where Oh Byungho is,
this place is really interesting.
1056
01:26:49,168 --> 01:26:51,959
When I first watched the film,
I was surprised when I saw this.
1057
01:26:52,126 --> 01:26:53,876
It's very unique.
1058
01:26:54,459 --> 01:26:57,084
His position is strange
1059
01:26:57,209 --> 01:27:00,959
and of course, because it's
a school and not a hospital,
1060
01:27:01,084 --> 01:27:05,084
but they've placed the desks
together like that.
1061
01:27:06,501 --> 01:27:09,251
- This is a classroom, right?
- I guess.
1062
01:27:12,918 --> 01:27:16,084
The rain pouring outside like that.
1063
01:27:16,293 --> 01:27:19,668
The sick man is in such
an uncomfortable position.
1064
01:27:22,626 --> 01:27:27,125
I think, today's audience might laugh,
1065
01:27:27,126 --> 01:27:30,126
but I don't find it funny.
1066
01:27:30,251 --> 01:27:32,209
I really like this scene.
1067
01:27:32,251 --> 01:27:33,501
Me, too.
1068
01:27:33,834 --> 01:27:36,418
But I think it's surprising that
they could get away with that.
1069
01:27:39,543 --> 01:27:44,459
I wonder what Oh is feeling,
when he is so excited like that.
1070
01:27:44,543 --> 01:27:47,418
What is he thinking when he
lies still like that.
1071
01:27:47,876 --> 01:27:49,316
Then, when the camera returns to him
1072
01:27:50,251 --> 01:27:54,751
after showing the face of
Han Hye-sook,
1073
01:27:55,293 --> 01:28:00,084
this face, I mean, was he acting
when he was on the phone?
1074
01:28:00,668 --> 01:28:01,668
Right.
1075
01:28:01,751 --> 01:28:04,334
It makes you think like that,
1076
01:28:06,459 --> 01:28:11,876
Was he pretending to be enraged?
1077
01:28:14,876 --> 01:28:16,376
I think we have to see it that way.
1078
01:28:16,793 --> 01:28:18,751
Then when he says, "I have to go,"
1079
01:28:18,918 --> 01:28:21,418
I was really moved.
1080
01:28:23,251 --> 01:28:31,001
The somewhat exaggerated acting
just now suddenly cools and
1081
01:28:31,418 --> 01:28:38,126
he stands up saying, "I have to go,"
I thought that was brilliant.
1082
01:28:39,376 --> 01:28:46,334
It reminds me of Seijun Suzuki films,
of Tokyo Drifter.
1083
01:28:49,126 --> 01:28:52,043
The acting here, now
is definitely old-fashioned:
1084
01:28:52,876 --> 01:28:56,334
looking into the distance
instead of at the other person,
1085
01:28:56,793 --> 01:29:01,501
saying, "Perhaps, we'll meet again
someday," and just turning away.
1086
01:29:01,959 --> 01:29:04,751
It's like the acting of
Shin Seong-il's day.
1087
01:29:11,418 --> 01:29:16,334
Then he just staggers along
through the mud, in the rain.
1088
01:29:21,501 --> 01:29:26,209
They had been pouring rain
until now for that shot.
1089
01:29:28,043 --> 01:29:30,334
Here, when the director zooms in,
I thought, 'wow!'
1090
01:29:31,043 --> 01:29:34,168
I thought,
'Yes, this is Lee Doo-Yong.'
1091
01:29:34,251 --> 01:29:38,251
He does stagger a little too much,
1092
01:29:40,376 --> 01:29:44,376
but I think the intention
of the direction was excellent.
1093
01:29:49,876 --> 01:29:55,959
Here, if you were a Korean,
a Korean living at that time,
1094
01:29:57,043 --> 01:29:58,584
I think anyone would have felt this.
1095
01:30:01,334 --> 01:30:04,459
A question asking which side
you are on,
1096
01:30:07,043 --> 01:30:12,418
it was a time that asked you to choose
between the North and the South.
1097
01:30:13,918 --> 01:30:19,584
It's almost like the attack
by public authority
1098
01:30:21,084 --> 01:30:24,501
under Stalin's reign of terror.
1099
01:30:34,626 --> 01:30:38,418
But how commonplace it must have been,
1100
01:30:38,543 --> 01:30:41,001
for they just naturally think
it's the police.
1101
01:30:48,501 --> 01:30:58,500
That is also unique to Park Yong-pal,
he talks endlessly,
1102
01:31:00,709 --> 01:31:05,334
no matter how scary the situation.
Actually he talks even more then,
1103
01:31:13,918 --> 01:31:16,543
and finally reveals
his true intentions.
1104
01:31:37,793 --> 01:31:46,334
In fact, the money that
Son Jihye's father left her...
1105
01:31:47,251 --> 01:31:49,251
The lawyer Kim Jungyeop and
1106
01:31:49,459 --> 01:31:53,918
Yang Dalsoo - Yang Dalsoo
divided it between themselves.
1107
01:31:54,834 --> 01:32:00,334
And this man knows their weakness
and blackmails them,
1108
01:32:01,584 --> 01:32:04,793
earning a fortune and
running a business.
1109
01:32:10,126 --> 01:32:14,001
So they are all connected, Yang Dalsoo,
Kim Jungyeop and Han Dongju.
1110
01:32:17,376 --> 01:32:22,501
Yang Dalsoo was head
of the youth association,
1111
01:32:23,459 --> 01:32:26,376
but is now the owner of a brewery.
And Kim Jungyeop is a lawyer.
1112
01:32:27,501 --> 01:32:29,251
- A civilian.
- Yes.
1113
01:32:29,334 --> 01:32:36,709
And Han Dongju is now in wholesale
at a produce market.
1114
01:32:36,834 --> 01:32:44,626
The money flows to him,
a businessman.
1115
01:32:49,126 --> 01:32:52,543
This was all in the novel, right?
1116
01:32:52,584 --> 01:32:56,626
I read the novel before,
but I don't remember.
1117
01:32:56,751 --> 01:32:59,751
Anyways, the situation was symbolic.
1118
01:32:59,793 --> 01:33:01,513
- After national liberation.
- That's right.
1119
01:33:02,168 --> 01:33:08,334
After that, such situations
and stories occurred endlessly
1120
01:33:08,376 --> 01:33:14,751
in works like Jo Jung-rae's
Taebaek Mountain Range.
1121
01:33:15,793 --> 01:33:21,626
Reality was like that,
so they kept appearing in artworks.
1122
01:33:25,626 --> 01:33:28,626
This scene also stands out a bit.
1123
01:33:30,501 --> 01:33:33,459
Rather than the scene being bold,
it seems strange suddenly.
1124
01:33:33,543 --> 01:33:35,168
It does.
1125
01:33:37,251 --> 01:33:41,126
It doesn't go with the rest
of the film,
1126
01:33:41,626 --> 01:33:45,543
so it kind of breaks
the balance of this film.
1127
01:33:45,876 --> 01:33:48,668
But if we didn't have this scene,
we'd feel the lack of it.
1128
01:33:50,626 --> 01:33:55,834
Considering Oh's end, we'd feel the
lack if this scene wasn't inserted.
1129
01:33:58,626 --> 01:34:00,060
He seems to be talking
about his mother.
1130
01:34:00,084 --> 01:34:02,001
Yes.
1131
01:34:04,668 --> 01:34:07,334
I don't know why he suddenly
mentions his mother,
1132
01:34:08,501 --> 01:34:11,709
holding onto the pictures like that.
1133
01:34:12,043 --> 01:34:21,334
He looks like a drug addict
suffering from withdrawal
1134
01:34:21,376 --> 01:34:22,876
after getting off drugs.
1135
01:34:25,043 --> 01:34:25,584
But then he got through it
all by himself
1136
01:34:25,668 --> 01:34:28,501
He did.
1137
01:34:30,584 --> 01:34:32,626
- In a motel room.
- Yes.
1138
01:34:32,793 --> 01:34:34,834
By locking himself in.
1139
01:34:37,876 --> 01:34:39,709
It's New Year's Day.
1140
01:34:41,834 --> 01:34:44,751
He really looks sorry.
1141
01:34:45,543 --> 01:34:47,126
Everyone else is all so....
1142
01:34:52,751 --> 01:34:54,209
I think these scenes...
1143
01:34:54,668 --> 01:34:57,543
The police...
1144
01:35:05,959 --> 01:35:08,543
I feel that the director is
taking a breath here,
1145
01:35:08,584 --> 01:35:11,209
with that Oh Byungho character.
1146
01:35:16,126 --> 01:35:21,626
If that messenger just leaves
after delivering the money,
1147
01:35:22,001 --> 01:35:25,293
then he's simply being
functional, brief.
1148
01:35:25,751 --> 01:35:31,459
It would not stimulate any
artistic interest.
1149
01:35:31,834 --> 01:35:35,626
But here, the director gives him
another character.
1150
01:35:35,709 --> 01:35:36,918
He does.
1151
01:35:37,209 --> 01:35:40,001
At least in this scene,
that man is the star.
1152
01:35:42,959 --> 01:35:46,959
He looks too modest to be one of
Lee Doo-yong's actors, but...
1153
01:35:47,626 --> 01:35:50,043
He speaks like he's reading
a state-published textbook.
1154
01:35:50,334 --> 01:35:53,126
He should be sorry.
1155
01:36:05,709 --> 01:36:09,626
When I saw this scene,
1156
01:36:09,709 --> 01:36:13,168
I though the director didn't just
make "action films" to make a living.
1157
01:36:13,293 --> 01:36:16,293
He was really on a mission and tried
to make truly artistic films like this,
1158
01:36:16,334 --> 01:36:21,834
that portray the pains of the time.
1159
01:36:22,793 --> 01:36:24,626
He projects himself onto the screen.
1160
01:36:24,709 --> 01:36:26,876
It seemed like that.
1161
01:36:31,793 --> 01:36:34,793
People like director Oh Seung-uk,
who like action films,
1162
01:36:34,834 --> 01:36:41,043
they regret that Lee didn't
continue to shoot action films.
1163
01:36:42,501 --> 01:36:44,168
It wouldn't have been fun, really.
1164
01:36:44,251 --> 01:36:44,918
No, not at all exciting.
1165
01:36:44,959 --> 01:36:47,584
He might have made some money
from them, but...
1166
01:36:48,834 --> 01:36:52,709
After he made a lot of those films,
he then went to the U.S.
1167
01:36:52,793 --> 01:36:54,668
and quickly shot two or three
films, didn't he?
1168
01:36:54,918 --> 01:36:56,626
I think that was crucial.
1169
01:36:56,668 --> 01:37:01,709
The films he made then
were surprisingly bad.
1170
01:37:01,751 --> 01:37:05,793
- He secretly shot the films, but...
- Oh my.
1171
01:37:06,001 --> 01:37:07,459
- Before this.
- Yes.
1172
01:37:07,543 --> 01:37:11,168
I think it was Visitors in America,
released in 1976.
1173
01:37:11,209 --> 01:37:13,959
There was also a film
with Han So-ryong,
1174
01:37:14,834 --> 01:37:17,584
but Han wasn't that good
in action films.
1175
01:37:17,626 --> 01:37:20,918
- He was So-ryong in name only.
- He couldn't do the actions.
1176
01:37:21,084 --> 01:37:24,626
Anyways, after shooting those films,
he then shot films like
1177
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:26,833
Muldori Village,
1178
01:37:26,834 --> 01:37:29,501
- The Early Years.
- The Early Years and Police Story,
1179
01:37:29,709 --> 01:37:33,876
for which he won the Grand Bell Award.
Han appears in this film.
1180
01:37:40,918 --> 01:37:47,459
This scene reminds me of a
scene in The Unjust or Veteran.
1181
01:37:53,084 --> 01:37:56,459
These scenes, these locations,
1182
01:37:56,793 --> 01:37:59,001
they didn't just shoot
these there carelessly.
1183
01:37:59,043 --> 01:38:00,709
That's true.
1184
01:38:04,834 --> 01:38:11,418
Now, when the policemen in the
Honam region had an evening gathering,
1185
01:38:11,543 --> 01:38:18,334
they would eat in fancy restaurants
in traditional Korean houses like that.
1186
01:38:18,376 --> 01:38:24,918
Lee captures the yard, the mountains,
and all those in one image
1187
01:38:26,834 --> 01:38:33,834
and shows us how people with those
jobs in that area, at that time, lived.
1188
01:38:33,918 --> 01:38:40,876
So every little detail seems valuable.
1189
01:38:41,793 --> 01:38:43,751
Lee Doo-Yong once mentioned
how much effort
1190
01:38:43,793 --> 01:38:48,251
it would have taken if the art
department had had to prepare all that.
1191
01:38:48,293 --> 01:38:49,418
That's true.
1192
01:38:49,459 --> 01:38:50,875
So, in a way, seeking out the location....
1193
01:38:50,876 --> 01:38:54,001
Yes, in a film like this, shot in so
many locations, they would have had to.
1194
01:38:54,084 --> 01:38:55,418
Yes.
1195
01:38:56,751 --> 01:39:00,126
That kind of acting is
really old-fashioned.
1196
01:39:00,584 --> 01:39:04,668
Let's create our own happiness.
I was really moved by those words
1197
01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:07,709
when I watched this film again.
1198
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:11,293
I thought, I really should live
with that kind of attitude.
1199
01:39:13,084 --> 01:39:15,418
Happiness is not something
that someone gives us.
1200
01:39:16,043 --> 01:39:18,243
Why did you think that?
Are you going through something?
1201
01:39:21,001 --> 01:39:26,584
The director continues to simply show
us places that he searched for.
1202
01:39:27,001 --> 01:39:32,543
The shooting may have been simple,
but searching for locations wasn't.
1203
01:39:32,584 --> 01:39:34,060
- It would have been an arduous task.
- Really.
1204
01:39:34,084 --> 01:39:35,884
He went to all those places
to shoot the film.
1205
01:39:37,293 --> 01:39:40,959
If it were the U.S. the second unit
director would probably have gone
1206
01:39:41,043 --> 01:39:45,126
and simply shot those scenes.
1207
01:39:45,626 --> 01:39:47,793
But in Korea, the director
does everything.
1208
01:39:48,959 --> 01:39:51,959
He also shot them quite well.
1209
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:55,168
He could have just handed out
instructions, but...
1210
01:39:59,126 --> 01:40:02,918
That image of surveillance...
1211
01:40:04,668 --> 01:40:10,376
Sometimes an Army truck passes
by when Oh is walking.
1212
01:40:10,459 --> 01:40:16,918
At the police station, the police in
combat uniform kept marching
1213
01:40:17,001 --> 01:40:22,501
in front of the camera.
Now those are embedded
1214
01:40:23,084 --> 01:40:29,876
as the Korean landscape
under the military regime.
1215
01:40:29,959 --> 01:40:35,876
Lee is aware of that
every single moment.
1216
01:40:43,626 --> 01:40:47,001
The lines here are also
quite explanatory.
1217
01:40:48,751 --> 01:40:54,959
It's old-fashioned,
but Lee needed to explain
1218
01:40:55,001 --> 01:40:58,959
in some way,
1219
01:40:59,001 --> 01:41:01,084
about Hwang Bau.
1220
01:41:02,626 --> 01:41:06,709
The train passed by the beach
a while ago,
1221
01:41:06,834 --> 01:41:12,709
and we see the lonely image of Oh
through the telephoto lens.
1222
01:41:12,793 --> 01:41:17,334
This series of shots
1223
01:41:17,418 --> 01:41:22,126
starting from Oh walking alone
in a crowd of people continues.
1224
01:41:23,043 --> 01:41:29,709
When this whistling first began,
I thought "What's this? So suddenly?"
1225
01:41:29,918 --> 01:41:33,168
Why is this music flowing out?
1226
01:41:33,834 --> 01:41:40,459
but as I watched the ensuing shots, the
music went so well with the images.
1227
01:41:40,918 --> 01:41:44,293
I think it is excellent music.
1228
01:41:44,376 --> 01:41:47,668
It really seems like an old
1229
01:41:49,668 --> 01:41:52,334
Seijun Suzuki film.
1230
01:41:52,376 --> 01:41:53,334
A Japanese film.
1231
01:41:53,376 --> 01:41:54,209
It has that feel.
1232
01:41:54,293 --> 01:41:58,043
It also feels like a Yakuza film
or a police movie.
1233
01:42:00,251 --> 01:42:08,959
Now, the film describes
the mind of Oh,
1234
01:42:09,126 --> 01:42:12,043
the situation on Korean society
at the time, with the landscape.
1235
01:42:15,501 --> 01:42:20,001
Those are a few shots
that briefly pass by,
1236
01:42:20,126 --> 01:42:22,459
and from the perspective
of the film makers,
1237
01:42:23,668 --> 01:42:26,793
the crew probably wondered if they
had to put so much effort into them.
1238
01:42:26,834 --> 01:42:31,834
I think they probably complained.
Otherwise, they might have been
1239
01:42:31,918 --> 01:42:36,084
enthusiastic to create a masterpiece
1240
01:42:36,209 --> 01:42:38,501
with such a fine director.
1241
01:42:42,084 --> 01:42:46,376
Im Jae-young was the lighting director
when I shot Joint Security Area.
1242
01:42:46,459 --> 01:42:53,293
Here, he took part as
a lighting assistant,
1243
01:42:53,626 --> 01:42:56,751
so I heard a lot of stories
about back then.
1244
01:42:57,126 --> 01:43:04,834
He said that the site was
full of this energy,
1245
01:43:04,876 --> 01:43:08,168
this enthusiasm to create
a masterpiece.
1246
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:11,001
I also heard a lot about
Jeong Yun-Hui.
1247
01:43:12,959 --> 01:43:16,459
The crew all loved her so much.
1248
01:43:18,459 --> 01:43:22,709
I think according to the standards back
then, they would have wanted to
1249
01:43:23,001 --> 01:43:27,834
try to make a great film, with the
talented director, Lee Doo-Yong,
1250
01:43:28,043 --> 01:43:29,477
and with the situation at the
production company and all that.
1251
01:43:29,501 --> 01:43:31,126
The crew, too.
1252
01:43:32,751 --> 01:43:35,251
Wasn't this a time when
Korean films weren't
1253
01:43:35,293 --> 01:43:36,251
respected very much?
1254
01:43:36,293 --> 01:43:37,668
That's right. Really.
1255
01:43:37,918 --> 01:43:40,376
So, the young...
1256
01:43:41,084 --> 01:43:44,001
Oh, look at those pants.
1257
01:43:44,168 --> 01:43:50,209
Such details weren't visible in
the previous DVD, but in Blu-ray,
1258
01:43:51,626 --> 01:43:56,084
it's so nice to see the details,
the mud on his pants like that.
1259
01:43:56,751 --> 01:43:59,793
For the director, such details
would have been really important.
1260
01:44:01,168 --> 01:44:08,084
The young film makers wondered
if Korean film had a future.
1261
01:44:08,251 --> 01:44:14,168
They had many doubts about
whether working in Korean film
1262
01:44:14,293 --> 01:44:21,209
could actually be an occupation,
1263
01:44:21,293 --> 01:44:25,793
if they could aspire to be artists.
1264
01:44:26,209 --> 01:44:36,208
Im Kwon-taek, Kim Ki-young,
Lee Doo-Yong, these men gave them hope.
1265
01:44:38,376 --> 01:44:41,418
And back then, they wouldn't
have shot films if it wasn't for
1266
01:44:41,501 --> 01:44:43,959
the "Excellent Film Quota."
It's ironic.
1267
01:44:44,043 --> 01:44:45,643
- That's right.
- Because of that policy,
1268
01:44:46,168 --> 01:44:50,043
they funded films so they could
secure quotas for foreign films.
1269
01:44:51,168 --> 01:44:57,251
So talented people are
bound to be pioneers
1270
01:44:57,293 --> 01:45:04,168
in any situation,
in any adverse system,
1271
01:45:05,251 --> 01:45:09,251
taking advantage of such a bad system.
1272
01:45:10,168 --> 01:45:11,543
That baby wrapper,
1273
01:45:11,709 --> 01:45:13,376
that pink,
1274
01:45:14,251 --> 01:45:16,209
it's so provocative.
1275
01:45:19,834 --> 01:45:25,626
The director boldly uses such
vivid colors in such a situation.
1276
01:45:28,584 --> 01:45:31,376
She's too pretty.
Looking at it from here,
1277
01:45:31,709 --> 01:45:34,959
she's so pretty at times like that,
it almost seems like a miscasting.
1278
01:45:35,043 --> 01:45:39,751
It's not that. After all, she's supposed
to be very pretty in the film.
1279
01:45:42,918 --> 01:45:45,834
It's just that her beauty doesn't go
in harmony with the environment.
1280
01:45:49,334 --> 01:45:52,208
And also makes the audience
forget the theme of the film.
1281
01:45:52,209 --> 01:45:54,459
It does from time to time.
1282
01:45:54,959 --> 01:45:58,168
But that close up a while ago,
is just...
1283
01:46:00,251 --> 01:46:06,168
I wonder if today's audience,
1284
01:46:06,209 --> 01:46:09,129
the young audience would also think she
is beautiful when they watch this.
1285
01:46:09,668 --> 01:46:10,834
Don't you think they would?
1286
01:46:10,918 --> 01:46:14,209
The criteria for beauty has
changed a lot.
1287
01:46:16,334 --> 01:46:20,709
But in fact, Jeong Yun-Hui was at
that time a very urban character.
1288
01:46:21,251 --> 01:46:23,543
She often appeared in such films, too.
1289
01:46:24,501 --> 01:46:26,418
But strangely after this film,
1290
01:46:26,584 --> 01:46:29,293
she kept appearing in erotic films
with bird names in their titles,
1291
01:46:29,376 --> 01:46:32,501
and continued to appear in films with
rural backdrops for quite a while.
1292
01:46:32,584 --> 01:46:33,876
She did.
1293
01:46:34,334 --> 01:46:38,876
They were regarded as
erotic folk films.
1294
01:46:41,418 --> 01:46:45,876
Strangely, this film just skips through
these details, with this one scene.
1295
01:46:47,084 --> 01:46:50,418
You kind of wonder if Lee
could get away with that
1296
01:46:51,376 --> 01:46:53,209
because twenty years has just passed.
1297
01:47:02,251 --> 01:47:06,418
The appearance of Hwang Bau here,
1298
01:47:09,459 --> 01:47:11,418
I was very moved.
1299
01:47:14,043 --> 01:47:17,501
I think it was possible because
it was Choi Bool-am.
1300
01:47:18,626 --> 01:47:27,834
His appearance, his awkward posture,
1301
01:47:27,918 --> 01:47:30,168
every detail was so nicely
arranged in that shot.
1302
01:47:31,876 --> 01:47:38,334
Of course, I do kind of wish that
he would have shown us the long shot,
1303
01:47:38,876 --> 01:47:40,501
without zooming in a little longer,
1304
01:47:41,459 --> 01:47:43,751
- but since it was Lee Doo-Yong...
- The director...
1305
01:47:43,834 --> 01:47:48,751
I don't think we can ask for that.
He zooms in straight away.
1306
01:47:50,501 --> 01:47:54,043
Another good thing about this scene
is that, because it is so short,
1307
01:47:55,001 --> 01:47:59,459
it leaves the audience wanting more.
1308
01:47:59,626 --> 01:48:02,168
The rhythm of the film is
from start to finish...
1309
01:48:02,876 --> 01:48:06,876
Even now, Lee doesn't hesitate.
1310
01:48:06,918 --> 01:48:08,793
He just changes the shot size.
1311
01:48:10,043 --> 01:48:15,084
But the full shot where Bau appeared,
1312
01:48:16,501 --> 01:48:23,293
despite that him being a
really ignorant and dull man,
1313
01:48:24,376 --> 01:48:27,168
he seems dignified.
1314
01:48:27,834 --> 01:48:30,584
I think that was why I was moved here.
1315
01:48:35,501 --> 01:48:43,333
Only a person who has a conscience
and behaves like a true man
1316
01:48:43,334 --> 01:48:48,709
despite not having any possessions,
1317
01:48:48,793 --> 01:48:51,459
the integrity of such a man shines
in the shape of Choi Bool-am.
1318
01:48:51,501 --> 01:48:56,459
That is a power that cannot
be obtained with any skills,
1319
01:48:56,584 --> 01:49:01,168
something that even the best
actors can hardly reach.
1320
01:49:01,251 --> 01:49:03,751
I think Choi really looks good
as an old man.
1321
01:49:03,834 --> 01:49:05,043
He does.
1322
01:49:05,293 --> 01:49:09,126
In this film, and as the father in
Our Joyful Young Days,
1323
01:49:09,376 --> 01:49:12,501
I think he portrayed a figure that
hadn't existed in Korean film.
1324
01:49:12,626 --> 01:49:14,876
The image of such a father,
his acting,
1325
01:49:15,126 --> 01:49:19,501
talking to his son, Ahn Sung-ki
while pushing him on the swings...
1326
01:49:19,751 --> 01:49:24,334
That kind of sentiment would have been
difficult if it weren't Choi Bool-am.
1327
01:49:24,501 --> 01:49:26,001
It would.
1328
01:49:28,126 --> 01:49:34,376
People say he has a Korean face, but
in fact, his face is very photogenic
1329
01:49:34,584 --> 01:49:36,584
It is.
1330
01:49:38,626 --> 01:49:42,709
The wrinkles, the way his eyes, nose,
mouth and ears are positioned,
1331
01:49:43,876 --> 01:49:47,543
I think it's definitely
the face of an actor.
1332
01:49:52,959 --> 01:49:55,876
This house on the brink of collapse...
1333
01:49:56,626 --> 01:50:02,876
I think it was one of the locations that
they did their best to discover.
1334
01:50:05,209 --> 01:50:08,668
Many houses appear in
this film one by one.
1335
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:11,168
Each one has a personality,
1336
01:50:13,251 --> 01:50:15,584
its own unique style.
1337
01:50:18,334 --> 01:50:22,459
It would be difficult to find such places
even if we tried now, wouldn't it?
1338
01:50:22,501 --> 01:50:23,543
Yes.
1339
01:50:25,918 --> 01:50:29,626
Even this scene, it looks like Lee worked
really hard on them,
1340
01:50:31,876 --> 01:50:34,543
- the women...
- Talking with each other like that.
1341
01:50:36,668 --> 01:50:38,209
Here,
1342
01:50:38,834 --> 01:50:41,126
this is also an interesting scene.
1343
01:50:41,251 --> 01:50:49,501
I counted and the director shows us
seven shots in one direction.
1344
01:50:49,668 --> 01:50:56,501
The shots are all different in size.
1345
01:50:56,918 --> 01:51:00,334
He used different lenses and distances
and put the seven shots together.
1346
01:51:00,668 --> 01:51:06,293
Usually, that kind of editing
is slightly childish
1347
01:51:06,501 --> 01:51:10,834
and directors generally connect
three shots together like that
1348
01:51:10,959 --> 01:51:14,793
to bring about a zoom-in effect,
but here
1349
01:51:14,876 --> 01:51:17,126
he just puts so many shots together
1350
01:51:18,459 --> 01:51:26,251
creating an effect that
I've never seen before.
1351
01:51:28,376 --> 01:51:29,560
I guess it's Lee Doo-yong's
order of presenting the scene.
1352
01:51:29,584 --> 01:51:30,709
Lee Doo-yong's style.
1353
01:51:30,834 --> 01:51:33,626
Just now the sound of the rain
and the wind is really loud,
1354
01:51:33,668 --> 01:51:36,168
but not a branch is shaking.
1355
01:51:37,584 --> 01:51:39,168
It's bold.
1356
01:51:42,668 --> 01:51:44,793
Those branches over there are still.
1357
01:51:48,168 --> 01:51:49,668
The sound of the wind.
1358
01:51:52,001 --> 01:51:54,793
I wouldn't have been able to
do it like that, be that daring,
1359
01:51:54,876 --> 01:51:56,668
but it's believable, for some reason.
1360
01:51:56,751 --> 01:51:58,334
It is.
1361
01:51:59,626 --> 01:52:02,626
I heard that the crew had a
hard time pouring all that water.
1362
01:52:04,459 --> 01:52:06,834
This scene was very interesting.
1363
01:52:06,918 --> 01:52:11,959
This reminds me of Memories of Murder,
and especially Mother.
1364
01:52:12,084 --> 01:52:14,084
The burning house.
1365
01:52:15,501 --> 01:52:23,668
Here we have a very foreign
and unforgettable scene.
1366
01:52:25,334 --> 01:52:31,543
I feel that he is wandering
the corners of South Korea
1367
01:52:31,626 --> 01:52:39,459
and facing the landscape of hell here.
1368
01:52:41,959 --> 01:52:45,793
At first, you are surprised
at the noise.
1369
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:50,126
That image is also very...
1370
01:52:50,168 --> 01:52:52,408
The way he holds a knife
and illegally butchers the boar.
1371
01:52:53,001 --> 01:52:56,626
The rain outside is artificial, but...
1372
01:53:00,626 --> 01:53:09,584
Then, the machines and technology
for sprinkling rain were not advanced.
1373
01:53:09,709 --> 01:53:14,501
So they couldn't control it.
If it rained, it poured like that.
1374
01:53:14,584 --> 01:53:20,293
But in this film, that goes
so well with the story.
1375
01:53:22,793 --> 01:53:27,043
I remember that it also rained
like that when he was with the teacher.
1376
01:53:27,876 --> 01:53:29,751
It accentuates the scene,
the directing.
1377
01:53:29,834 --> 01:53:31,793
It does.
1378
01:53:31,834 --> 01:53:34,543
I guess, since this is a
film of landscapes,
1379
01:53:34,626 --> 01:53:41,793
the effects that go well with nature
and natural phenomena are good.
1380
01:53:41,834 --> 01:53:45,209
The casting of Go Jeong-hwan
was also perfect.
1381
01:53:45,293 --> 01:53:46,834
Perfect.
1382
01:53:54,626 --> 01:53:57,418
It really looks like they found and
cast a real butcher for the role.
1383
01:54:02,293 --> 01:54:08,668
The lighting here also recalls
the scene where the partisans
1384
01:54:08,959 --> 01:54:12,834
hid underneath the school classroom.
1385
01:54:17,876 --> 01:54:27,875
I think it's a scene that powerfully
presents affection for the people,
1386
01:54:28,876 --> 01:54:30,084
the commoners.
1387
01:54:30,168 --> 01:54:36,543
He appears as a terrifying figure,
like a murderer,
1388
01:54:37,543 --> 01:54:40,334
but then shows us what life
was like back then.
1389
01:54:40,459 --> 01:54:43,144
Doesn't he mention that strangely people
don't cultivate the land anymore?
1390
01:54:43,168 --> 01:54:44,668
He does.
1391
01:54:45,668 --> 01:54:49,709
So a lot of houses were abandoned
like that at the time.
1392
01:54:54,126 --> 01:54:58,459
Anyway, even in scenes like this,
a peculiar air resonates.
1393
01:54:58,584 --> 01:55:00,418
Lee is very stubborn.
1394
01:55:04,626 --> 01:55:11,043
He tries to do his best
even with scenes like these,
1395
01:55:11,543 --> 01:55:16,168
when one could easily justify
a more laid-back approach.
1396
01:55:18,376 --> 01:55:23,543
The film may be a little longer,
1397
01:55:23,709 --> 01:55:25,959
but never boring.
1398
01:55:27,918 --> 01:55:29,584
It's rich....
1399
01:55:33,751 --> 01:55:40,584
And the presence of the actors stops
the film from becoming boring.
1400
01:55:46,501 --> 01:55:47,668
There in the distance we see
1401
01:55:47,751 --> 01:55:48,626
- Namsan Mountain.
- Yes.
1402
01:55:48,668 --> 01:55:51,876
The director shot the scene so
the mountain could be clearly visible.
1403
01:56:02,501 --> 01:56:06,918
The voice actors recorded
the lines later on,
1404
01:56:07,001 --> 01:56:09,834
so the voices seem similar
1405
01:56:09,918 --> 01:56:12,834
and that is one sad thing about
films from back then.
1406
01:56:14,918 --> 01:56:17,834
The voices don't seem to
have any soul.
1407
01:56:37,709 --> 01:56:44,376
Even if Son Jihye was young at the
time of the war, 20 years have passed.
1408
01:56:45,584 --> 01:56:46,793
She was eighteen,
1409
01:56:46,876 --> 01:56:48,001
eighteen then.
1410
01:56:48,084 --> 01:56:54,501
Yes, so in the film, she has now aged,
1411
01:56:54,584 --> 01:56:57,293
so Detective Oh calls her "Mrs."
1412
01:56:57,834 --> 01:57:00,084
But she doesn't seem that old at all.
1413
01:57:02,084 --> 01:57:05,168
Since it was Jeong Yun-Hui,
1414
01:57:06,834 --> 01:57:09,459
I guess that kind of thing
wasn't important.
1415
01:57:10,293 --> 01:57:14,084
Now the reporter in this film, Eom.
1416
01:57:14,834 --> 01:57:19,543
How much was it for a night
in that room? 100,000 won?
1417
01:57:19,709 --> 01:57:21,709
- The hotel.
- He has a job and
1418
01:57:21,793 --> 01:57:23,959
I don't know what country
he is talking about.
1419
01:57:27,918 --> 01:57:30,168
After all this is fiction, but still.
1420
01:57:30,251 --> 01:57:33,793
He covered local news. I guess they
were different from film reporters.
1421
01:57:33,876 --> 01:57:35,543
I can't believe that.
1422
01:57:35,668 --> 01:57:37,894
I mean the company giving him
such a luxurious hotel suite
1423
01:57:37,918 --> 01:57:40,459
to write a story.
1424
01:57:40,543 --> 01:57:42,394
In today's money, that would be more
than 1 million won a night,
1425
01:57:42,418 --> 01:57:44,876
since he said it was half
his monthly salary.
1426
01:57:46,501 --> 01:57:49,751
The scene where that journalist
first appears, it was a while ago,
1427
01:57:49,834 --> 01:57:54,793
but I thought it was interesting
because he gets a call at the printers
1428
01:57:54,834 --> 01:57:59,793
and comes to see Oh.
As soon as he sees Oh, he says,
1429
01:58:00,043 --> 01:58:02,834
You've completely changed.
Completely different.
1430
01:58:02,918 --> 01:58:06,959
But he says the lines so fast, without
even taking the time to look Oh over.
1431
01:58:07,251 --> 01:58:11,626
He goes straight into his lines.
1432
01:58:12,126 --> 01:58:20,834
So I thought Lee was really intent on
maintaining the pace of the story.
1433
01:58:26,793 --> 01:58:27,935
But now, Hah Myung-joong a while ago...
1434
01:58:27,959 --> 01:58:32,334
He kind of looks like director
Ryoo Seung-wan.
1435
01:58:33,918 --> 01:58:38,959
He really does look cold,
in all the scenes.
1436
01:58:39,001 --> 01:58:40,043
He does.
1437
01:58:42,376 --> 01:58:46,334
What do you think about
the director putting the actor
1438
01:58:46,418 --> 01:58:49,918
in that kind of situation
in real life,
1439
01:58:50,126 --> 01:58:55,043
with the snow and the rain,
and his feet sinking in the mud?
1440
01:58:55,918 --> 01:58:57,626
Well, I don't like pushing actors
1441
01:58:57,876 --> 01:59:05,168
to the limits of their physical
ability or patience,
1442
01:59:05,251 --> 01:59:12,084
but sometimes it is inevitable,
1443
01:59:12,126 --> 01:59:18,376
and a sense of accomplishment
does follow such times.
1444
01:59:21,251 --> 01:59:28,459
But when I shoot that kind of scene,
1445
01:59:28,543 --> 01:59:31,126
in some cases, we go through
hell shooting those scenes,
1446
01:59:31,751 --> 01:59:37,168
but the audience barely notices, and
there's no reward for our efforts.
1447
01:59:37,293 --> 01:59:40,876
So, sure, you can go through
a lot of challenges, but when you do,
1448
01:59:41,084 --> 01:59:44,959
I think you have to shoot it
that well, to make it worth it.
1449
01:59:47,501 --> 01:59:53,668
The film has to convey the scene well
enough that the actors won't complain
1450
01:59:53,959 --> 01:59:59,626
I went through all that trouble,
but why doesn't it show in the film?
1451
02:00:00,418 --> 02:00:02,751
Why did I have to go through
all that?
1452
02:00:02,834 --> 02:00:06,334
The cold. No matter how cold
the actor may really be,
1453
02:00:06,418 --> 02:00:09,001
often the audience cannot feel it.
1454
02:00:17,834 --> 02:00:21,334
Shin Woo-chul, who played the reporter,
1455
02:00:23,126 --> 02:00:29,626
He eventually starred in a film I like,
The Trouble-solving Broker.
1456
02:00:32,168 --> 02:00:34,251
Wasn't he the president of
the Actors' Association?
1457
02:00:34,334 --> 02:00:35,918
Yes, he was.
1458
02:00:38,043 --> 02:00:39,751
He passed away recently.
1459
02:00:41,584 --> 02:00:43,424
This is also a scene that
cannot be left out in
1460
02:00:43,501 --> 02:00:45,376
the social landscape of Korea
at the time.
1461
02:00:46,584 --> 02:00:50,168
- People probably won't be familiar now.
- A packed bus and the bus girl.
1462
02:00:50,376 --> 02:00:52,418
The last bus.
1463
02:00:53,751 --> 02:00:55,126
- The curfew.
- The curfew.
1464
02:00:55,209 --> 02:01:01,168
Even when we, who lived
in that time, watch this now,
1465
02:01:02,418 --> 02:01:04,834
- it's unbelievable and strange.
- It is.
1466
02:01:04,876 --> 02:01:07,084
- Surreal.
- Surreal.
1467
02:01:16,126 --> 02:01:18,668
I think they played the frames a little
faster a while ago.
1468
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:19,418
Yes, yes.
1469
02:01:19,459 --> 02:01:20,418
They did.
1470
02:01:20,459 --> 02:01:25,209
Lee liked that kind of thing.
I think he was very clever with it,
1471
02:01:25,376 --> 02:01:29,709
maintaining a fine balance so
that it wouldn't seem too strange.
1472
02:01:38,251 --> 02:01:39,209
This is also interesting.
1473
02:01:39,251 --> 02:01:42,334
The police detective loses the girl.
1474
02:01:44,709 --> 02:01:51,126
I mean does that seem like
a competent detective?
1475
02:01:55,293 --> 02:01:59,334
The director adds much texture
to Oh's character.
1476
02:01:59,418 --> 02:02:00,168
He does.
1477
02:02:00,209 --> 02:02:01,560
- In that kind of situation.
- Yes, yes.
1478
02:02:01,584 --> 02:02:02,793
You're right.
1479
02:02:04,251 --> 02:02:10,543
He's not a perfect man.
He makes mistakes. He has regrets.
1480
02:02:10,793 --> 02:02:13,376
He sometimes barks up the wrong tree.
1481
02:02:15,126 --> 02:02:21,251
This long film is meaningful because
1482
02:02:22,001 --> 02:02:25,168
of such multi-layered elements.
1483
02:02:30,168 --> 02:02:34,459
I don't know what lens he used here,
but the four corners are....
1484
02:02:35,293 --> 02:02:37,668
vignetted.
1485
02:02:38,334 --> 02:02:41,084
- I see.
- He shows us that kind of screen.
1486
02:02:41,168 --> 02:02:44,918
That kind of shot appears
occasionally in this film.
1487
02:02:49,876 --> 02:02:53,834
Then again, he searches
the house with ease.
1488
02:02:53,918 --> 02:02:55,543
He just breaks the lock and...
1489
02:02:55,626 --> 02:02:56,584
He simply says he's from the police.
1490
02:02:56,626 --> 02:02:59,543
The concept of a warrant
doesn't seem to exist.
1491
02:03:05,168 --> 02:03:09,251
They have no knowledge of a warrant.
He searches and takes things.
1492
02:03:09,293 --> 02:03:10,959
All at once.
1493
02:03:12,876 --> 02:03:17,459
They're like, "What is this warrant?
Is it something we can eat?"
1494
02:03:19,709 --> 02:03:23,293
In that sense, a lot
has changed in Korea.
1495
02:03:23,376 --> 02:03:25,834
It wasn't even that long ago.
1496
02:03:25,918 --> 02:03:27,043
I know.
1497
02:03:33,084 --> 02:03:38,543
The aesthetic sense of the director
and the cinematographer,
1498
02:03:39,334 --> 02:03:46,418
I am continually impressed because,
despite so many locations,
1499
02:03:47,334 --> 02:03:48,959
they are all different,
1500
02:03:49,043 --> 02:03:52,834
and they all have their unique beauty.
1501
02:03:52,959 --> 02:04:00,376
No matter how poor,
old and shabby it is,
1502
02:04:00,459 --> 02:04:06,334
there is this subtle arrangement of
color that may not have been intended,
1503
02:04:06,793 --> 02:04:13,209
and this division of space.
I think they were really good
1504
02:04:13,543 --> 02:04:15,703
at finding places that were
already beautiful to shoot.
1505
02:04:16,209 --> 02:04:20,626
Back then, it was arduous to shoot a
Korean film in places like that, right?
1506
02:04:20,709 --> 02:04:21,293
Yes.
1507
02:04:21,376 --> 02:04:24,709
Since the censors didn't like you to
shoot such places, such poor places.
1508
02:04:25,584 --> 02:04:29,251
That's why in 1970s and 80s Korean film,
we often see large spaces.
1509
02:04:29,501 --> 02:04:30,959
The houses are big
1510
02:04:31,001 --> 02:04:33,293
and are strangely western in style.
1511
02:04:33,418 --> 02:04:37,251
But this film stubbornly shoots places
where someone might actually live.
1512
02:04:37,376 --> 02:04:39,959
At the same time, they are beautiful.
1513
02:04:40,334 --> 02:04:43,501
I think that is
an important difference.
1514
02:04:43,584 --> 02:04:46,043
When we look at films from
back then, the lighting,
1515
02:04:46,126 --> 02:04:53,376
they usually place a bright light
in front as if to show us everything,
1516
02:04:53,459 --> 02:04:58,584
but these men didn't do that.
1517
02:05:02,959 --> 02:05:05,959
Even if the faces are not visible,
1518
02:05:06,043 --> 02:05:08,626
they cast the darkness.
1519
02:05:11,501 --> 02:05:16,751
Just think of the scene where they
exit the taxi in front of the asylum.
1520
02:05:17,459 --> 02:05:25,668
It shows that they placed the camera
on the ground, and although it's a
1521
02:05:25,751 --> 02:05:28,334
short, a simple shot, they show
us everything we need to see,
1522
02:05:28,376 --> 02:05:35,376
and express everything they want
to express, avoiding common clichés.
1523
02:05:38,334 --> 02:05:42,709
I think that was probably
Jung Il-sung's idea...
1524
02:05:42,793 --> 02:05:45,168
the cinematographer.
1525
02:05:45,668 --> 02:05:51,959
Anyway, the two worked
really well together.
1526
02:05:53,459 --> 02:05:56,084
That scene was pretty funny.
1527
02:05:57,168 --> 02:06:02,501
It looked like he was asking
for help getting out,
1528
02:06:02,834 --> 02:06:06,501
but later he whines that Oh
is trying to take him out.
1529
02:06:12,376 --> 02:06:17,918
Watching this film after a long time,
I thought Jeong Yun-Hui in this film
1530
02:06:18,126 --> 02:06:23,375
felt similar to the actress Kim Tae-ri,
with whom I worked
1531
02:06:23,376 --> 02:06:26,376
- on The Handmaiden.
- She does.
1532
02:06:27,501 --> 02:06:33,334
Maybe I chose Kim in the audition because
that was what I liked about her?
1533
02:06:34,543 --> 02:06:37,793
I wonder if my choice of Kim was colored
by my affection for Jeong Yun-Hui.
1534
02:06:37,876 --> 02:06:40,626
There really is a resemblance.
1535
02:06:41,584 --> 02:06:45,376
- Don't they really look similar?
- They really do feel the same.
1536
02:06:46,293 --> 02:06:52,959
Her hair pulled back and makeup
similar to The Handmaiden, maybe...
1537
02:07:03,626 --> 02:07:08,418
In this film, they call Bau,
Mr. Bau like that.
1538
02:07:08,501 --> 02:07:10,418
Even the detective.
1539
02:07:10,584 --> 02:07:16,084
He considers him to be a key suspect,
1540
02:07:16,793 --> 02:07:25,500
yet he keeps calling him Mr. Bau.
1541
02:07:25,501 --> 02:07:28,418
I may be exaggerating,
but that was moving.
1542
02:07:28,501 --> 02:07:31,501
It made me think about what
kind of man Oh Byungho was
1543
02:07:35,668 --> 02:07:43,334
and made me want to open up
to him more.
1544
02:07:45,418 --> 02:07:50,584
Hwang Bau bows prostrate to
a man he's met for the first time.
1545
02:07:50,668 --> 02:07:54,918
That wasn't really our
traditional custom,
1546
02:07:55,751 --> 02:08:01,084
but we accept it of Bau.
1547
02:08:01,251 --> 02:08:04,168
Perhaps in this case, because
they say he's a police officer.
1548
02:08:04,251 --> 02:08:05,371
- He may be scared.
- Scared.
1549
02:08:05,418 --> 02:08:07,418
His hands are shaking.
1550
02:08:09,626 --> 02:08:13,584
When I first saw that scene,
it left a strong impression.
1551
02:08:13,668 --> 02:08:16,501
The scene where Hwang Bau
bows like that.
1552
02:08:16,543 --> 02:08:22,043
His hands trembling...
and the director,
1553
02:08:22,293 --> 02:08:26,168
sensitive enough to capture that
with a close-up.
1554
02:08:34,001 --> 02:08:36,626
The scenes are really fast.
1555
02:08:39,084 --> 02:08:44,626
Here, the lighting and the mise-
en-scène are really beautiful.
1556
02:08:44,709 --> 02:08:52,459
The colors are different from the
present, to show that it is a flashback.
1557
02:08:52,626 --> 02:08:56,793
Just at a glance,
the scene has a different look,
1558
02:08:58,376 --> 02:09:00,584
and its own beauty.
1559
02:09:02,709 --> 02:09:04,209
Such variations are interesting.
1560
02:09:04,293 --> 02:09:07,209
In this scene, the lines
tell us everything.
1561
02:09:07,293 --> 02:09:08,376
They do.
1562
02:09:08,459 --> 02:09:10,376
- The lines are really in sync.
- They are.
1563
02:09:10,459 --> 02:09:12,584
It's actually a lip sync.
1564
02:09:21,209 --> 02:09:26,668
It's really fast and the film
just dashes to the end.
1565
02:09:27,043 --> 02:09:28,668
Then so soon,
1566
02:09:28,751 --> 02:09:31,709
- Like that.
- how can he appear like that?
1567
02:09:31,793 --> 02:09:33,584
As if he was waiting.
1568
02:09:33,626 --> 02:09:36,459
It was like that in the mountain, too.
1569
02:09:37,584 --> 02:09:40,751
When Hyun Kill-soo was hiding.
1570
02:09:42,668 --> 02:09:45,959
Anyway, they enter and exit
really fast.
1571
02:09:47,543 --> 02:09:52,543
From the perspective of a film maker,
1572
02:09:52,626 --> 02:09:54,626
someone could have raised
an issue with this.
1573
02:09:54,709 --> 02:09:58,209
How could he appear like that
as if he had been waiting?
1574
02:09:58,501 --> 02:10:03,001
But if he is dauntless, the audience
will accept it and watch.
1575
02:10:04,168 --> 02:10:08,584
Thanks to such attempts, the director
was able to make this grand story
1576
02:10:09,543 --> 02:10:14,751
into a long film,
without making it boring.
1577
02:10:22,209 --> 02:10:24,709
The story changed in the middle,
so Oh Byungho explains
1578
02:10:25,084 --> 02:10:29,251
what we just saw.
1579
02:10:32,459 --> 02:10:39,334
Oh Byungho's explanation of the case,
I think, makes it difficult to follow,
1580
02:10:39,543 --> 02:10:45,459
because we don't know on what
grounds he's reached the conclusion.
1581
02:10:52,918 --> 02:10:57,543
Why he interrogates one man,
1582
02:10:57,626 --> 02:11:01,918
and argues that this isn't the truth.
1583
02:11:03,209 --> 02:11:10,543
I think he's a detective who
is slightly ahead of the audience.
1584
02:11:12,209 --> 02:11:16,709
I think this is better than
the detective repeating what
1585
02:11:16,834 --> 02:11:20,584
the audience can already guess
based on what they've seen so far.
1586
02:11:38,584 --> 02:11:40,810
But I think the shooting would have
been quite difficult,
1587
02:11:40,834 --> 02:11:42,959
- in such a small space like that.
- Yes.
1588
02:11:43,043 --> 02:11:48,918
They would need space for
the camera and also the lighting.
1589
02:12:00,626 --> 02:12:05,793
The legal outcome of a case cannot
be determined by one detective alone,
1590
02:12:05,834 --> 02:12:09,834
but this shows what people back then
1591
02:12:11,251 --> 02:12:15,834
thought about public authority.
1592
02:12:20,918 --> 02:12:27,293
Compared to nowadays, back then,
the police had a lot of authority
1593
02:12:27,376 --> 02:12:29,001
in the countryside.
1594
02:12:29,084 --> 02:12:30,834
Compared to people now,
1595
02:12:33,084 --> 02:12:36,751
people back then thought a police
officer could determine one's life.
1596
02:12:36,793 --> 02:12:38,793
Yes, yes.
1597
02:12:38,876 --> 02:12:43,709
They accepted the police officer as
a person with immense power.
1598
02:12:56,834 --> 02:13:05,584
Here the director once again uses
that short time after sunset.
1599
02:13:05,668 --> 02:13:06,769
- Here.
- Really, he is consistent.
1600
02:13:06,793 --> 02:13:09,751
He is.
1601
02:13:09,834 --> 02:13:14,959
The night scenes in this film
are all shot like that.
1602
02:13:26,084 --> 02:13:28,126
They really enter and exit quickly.
1603
02:13:31,918 --> 02:13:36,668
Suddenly all these white people appear,
and you wonder,
1604
02:13:36,918 --> 02:13:40,001
Where is this film headed?
1605
02:13:40,459 --> 02:13:47,418
You see these ignorant people
bow before authority
1606
02:13:47,501 --> 02:13:52,918
and then you see these
well-dressed white people.
1607
02:14:00,001 --> 02:14:04,501
I think the director really
enjoyed such clashes.
1608
02:14:18,918 --> 02:14:21,668
To say that that is the fashion
of a reporter....
1609
02:14:22,043 --> 02:14:22,834
I know.
1610
02:14:22,918 --> 02:14:26,001
Particularly a local-news reporter...
1611
02:14:26,084 --> 02:14:29,060
At times like this, it looks like the
work of Lee, the action-film director.
1612
02:14:29,084 --> 02:14:30,376
Yes, it does.
1613
02:14:30,459 --> 02:14:31,477
Action films with no nationality.
1614
02:14:31,501 --> 02:14:35,168
It's like a Hong Kong scene in a spy
action film of no particular origin.
1615
02:14:43,418 --> 02:14:47,959
I think perhaps the actor just
dressed as he wanted.
1616
02:14:48,751 --> 02:14:51,126
It's highly likely.
1617
02:15:00,626 --> 02:15:03,168
Oh actually looks more like
a reporter here.
1618
02:15:03,293 --> 02:15:04,709
He never changes.
1619
02:15:04,793 --> 02:15:07,001
Oh's costume is similar to
those in No Glory,
1620
02:15:09,668 --> 02:15:15,001
which was released
about the same year.
1621
02:15:15,084 --> 02:15:16,126
- Isn't it?
- Yes, it is.
1622
02:15:16,168 --> 02:15:17,959
I also liked Hah Myung-joong
in that film.
1623
02:15:18,043 --> 02:15:22,543
It was either released in the
same year or a year earlier,
1624
02:15:24,876 --> 02:15:32,126
1979 or 1980. That was also when
Im Kwon-taek shot....
1625
02:15:35,626 --> 02:15:37,084
- Jagko and...
- Yes.
1626
02:15:37,126 --> 02:15:40,793
No Glory. And a little later, Mandara.
1627
02:15:47,084 --> 02:15:48,251
It was an age of transition.
1628
02:15:48,334 --> 02:15:49,209
It was back then.
1629
02:15:49,251 --> 02:15:51,376
Very chaotic.
1630
02:15:52,459 --> 02:15:56,876
When Lee was shooting this film,
1631
02:15:57,001 --> 02:15:59,626
Park Chung-hee had
already been assassinated,
1632
02:16:02,001 --> 02:16:04,751
and now Chun Doo-hwan would appear.
1633
02:16:05,709 --> 02:16:07,376
That time,
1634
02:16:08,876 --> 02:16:13,918
from a film fan's perspective, Kim
Ki-young's golden days had just passed,
1635
02:16:14,376 --> 02:16:17,209
and Im Kwon-taek's art world
had just started to blossom.
1636
02:16:19,709 --> 02:16:23,418
Government control seemed to ease,
1637
02:16:23,501 --> 02:16:27,626
and no one person seemed
to dominate the scene.
1638
02:16:27,668 --> 02:16:29,788
At this time, such films,
for a short while, came out.
1639
02:16:30,876 --> 02:16:37,584
How fiercely they must have agonized
over what they could do as
1640
02:16:37,751 --> 02:16:42,751
a commercial film director in that age
in order to get these results.
1641
02:16:42,793 --> 02:16:51,126
It's surprising how the film
just came out like this,
1642
02:16:52,084 --> 02:16:56,334
out of the blue, quite miraculously,
1643
02:16:57,334 --> 02:17:02,043
but then of course, it gets cut up,
1644
02:17:02,126 --> 02:17:05,001
and ends up being released in a mess.
1645
02:17:08,501 --> 02:17:16,584
I heard Lee mention this film saying,
1646
02:17:17,459 --> 02:17:20,019
he didn't acknowledge it as his work,
and just let it slip from his memory
1647
02:17:20,043 --> 02:17:26,584
and he said that was so much
like this film.
1648
02:17:26,918 --> 02:17:32,168
I thought, "What
a brilliant way to express that!"
1649
02:17:32,626 --> 02:17:36,459
It's enough to make him go mad,
after so much trouble shooting the film.
1650
02:17:36,626 --> 02:17:37,876
I know.
1651
02:17:38,459 --> 02:17:40,209
Then against his will... If it were me,
1652
02:17:41,001 --> 02:17:48,043
I would have looked for another
job or moved to another country.
1653
02:17:49,168 --> 02:17:51,251
I heard he suffered an acute
psychological shock.
1654
02:17:51,293 --> 02:17:55,043
I don't think I could have borne it.
He made his magnum opus...
1655
02:17:56,668 --> 02:18:00,918
No one watched it,
and the film was ruined.
1656
02:18:01,251 --> 02:18:06,418
Not being successful at
the box office is okay,
1657
02:18:06,501 --> 02:18:09,126
but to have the film cut like this,
that's unimaginable.
1658
02:18:17,876 --> 02:18:27,834
Pretending that these vicious scars
in the modern history of this country,
1659
02:18:28,168 --> 02:18:36,084
and these conflicts never existed,
forgetting them,
1660
02:18:36,751 --> 02:18:42,834
and denying them.
Now that feeling was exactly the way
1661
02:18:43,043 --> 02:18:48,209
the director felt as he was
forced to forget this film.
1662
02:18:51,459 --> 02:18:54,376
This was also a film he was able
to shoot because he was young.
1663
02:18:54,501 --> 02:18:55,668
I agree.
1664
02:18:55,876 --> 02:19:00,459
He is not here with us today,
but I think in his later years,
1665
02:19:01,168 --> 02:19:03,334
Lee Doo-Yong wasn't as
sharply critical as back then,
1666
02:19:03,376 --> 02:19:04,918
about that time.
1667
02:19:05,293 --> 02:19:06,584
No, he wasn't.
1668
02:19:21,584 --> 02:19:24,834
I heard that Lee was also very much
into these detective stories,
1669
02:19:24,918 --> 02:19:27,584
Director Lee.
1670
02:19:27,834 --> 02:19:31,376
Here, it's really like some
spy movie, isn't it?
1671
02:19:31,584 --> 02:19:38,084
Like chasing a North Korean spy
in Hong Kong.
1672
02:19:40,876 --> 02:19:43,269
- Is that in front of Seoul Station?
- The Daewoo Building across from it.
1673
02:19:43,293 --> 02:19:46,001
That's impressive.
1674
02:19:50,793 --> 02:19:53,001
Here, the mood is also
slightly absent of nationality.
1675
02:19:53,084 --> 02:19:55,418
A newspaper reporter and a detective.
1676
02:19:58,376 --> 02:20:01,126
But the sight of the street
is very realistic.
1677
02:20:02,209 --> 02:20:06,251
Each one of those shots
is very precious.
1678
02:20:11,876 --> 02:20:13,584
Putting bread on the table....
1679
02:20:15,084 --> 02:20:19,418
He doesn't forget to arouse
affection for the common people.
1680
02:20:19,668 --> 02:20:21,459
To arouse affection.
1681
02:20:21,959 --> 02:20:25,793
He inserts such scenes whenever
he has the opportunity.
1682
02:20:42,084 --> 02:20:48,584
I think he tried to effectively
and briefly describe this job.
1683
02:20:51,418 --> 02:20:55,668
This is also very lively,
both inside and out.
1684
02:20:55,751 --> 02:20:57,043
It is.
1685
02:20:58,126 --> 02:21:05,501
When we watch Hollywood films from
the 1970s, like The French Connection...
1686
02:21:06,251 --> 02:21:07,918
what we like is....
1687
02:21:08,043 --> 02:21:15,876
I think such attractions are
already all in this film.
1688
02:21:18,334 --> 02:21:20,854
Director Chung Yoon-chul watched
this film, after I told him to,
1689
02:21:21,334 --> 02:21:24,251
when the film was screened at a
special event in 2000 and something.
1690
02:21:24,293 --> 02:21:27,293
He called me, all excited,
and said what you just said,
1691
02:21:28,459 --> 02:21:31,418
that we also had elements we saw
in The French Connection,
1692
02:21:31,501 --> 02:21:34,751
New American Cinema.
1693
02:21:34,793 --> 02:21:36,293
That's right.
1694
02:21:40,376 --> 02:21:48,293
But this film is more ambitious and
deals with a much heavier theme
1695
02:21:49,459 --> 02:21:55,876
that starts from the
Korean War in the 1950s
1696
02:21:56,376 --> 02:21:59,084
and pierces all the way to the present.
1697
02:21:59,126 --> 02:22:00,709
It does.
1698
02:22:01,501 --> 02:22:03,418
The scale is just...
1699
02:22:07,376 --> 02:22:09,334
Lee shot this scene like
some stage drama.
1700
02:22:09,459 --> 02:22:10,543
Yes, he did.
1701
02:22:10,626 --> 02:22:12,918
Looks kind of like a stage, doesn't it?
1702
02:22:16,459 --> 02:22:22,418
I think he tried to evoke a stage-like
feel with all the props and lighting.
1703
02:22:33,626 --> 02:22:38,543
Although the film was released
in horrible shape,
1704
02:22:38,626 --> 02:22:42,668
and it's performance at the
box office was embarrassing,
1705
02:22:43,876 --> 02:22:48,043
it has all the elements of
a commercial film.
1706
02:22:48,793 --> 02:22:54,459
Characters appear,
keeping the film from becoming boring,
1707
02:22:54,543 --> 02:22:56,303
and it also shows colorful
glimpses of genre.
1708
02:22:58,293 --> 02:23:02,418
From this period until the end
of the early 1980s,
1709
02:23:03,001 --> 02:23:06,459
Lee Doo-Yong was unparalleled.
1710
02:23:06,501 --> 02:23:09,168
He had gone through so much
trouble shooting this,
1711
02:23:09,251 --> 02:23:11,209
the next film he shot was The Hut.
1712
02:23:11,334 --> 02:23:15,251
They shot 27 scenes while playing
Go-Stop every day.
1713
02:23:16,459 --> 02:23:19,251
With a film he shot as if just
playing around, he went to
1714
02:23:19,793 --> 02:23:21,793
The Venice Film Festival,
1715
02:23:21,959 --> 02:23:23,543
Venice in competition.
1716
02:23:23,668 --> 02:23:27,334
Lucky him.
1717
02:23:27,543 --> 02:23:31,626
What was so surprising was that
the crew got along so well,
1718
02:23:31,751 --> 02:23:33,876
that they really did play
Go-Stop every day,
1719
02:23:34,168 --> 02:23:36,751
Taking a break playing Go-Stop.
1720
02:23:38,334 --> 02:23:41,418
This film he struggled through so much to
make, was never released properly,
1721
02:23:41,543 --> 02:23:44,102
and a film he shot while fooling around
went to Venice in competition.
1722
02:23:44,126 --> 02:23:46,293
He probably thought,
1723
02:23:46,418 --> 02:23:47,751
This is it!
1724
02:23:48,376 --> 02:23:50,543
I can shoot films like this now.
1725
02:23:57,501 --> 02:24:00,459
Spinning the Tales of Cruelty Towards
Women at this time was good.
1726
02:24:00,626 --> 02:24:03,876
It was good. And for a few years,
like a flame...
1727
02:24:10,418 --> 02:24:14,626
He could have been pressed for time,
but he just uses a zoom lens
1728
02:24:15,126 --> 02:24:17,168
and continues to shoot,
zooming in and out.
1729
02:24:23,168 --> 02:24:29,376
Actually, the cinematographer who
operates the camera relies almost entirely
1730
02:24:29,459 --> 02:24:34,001
on his instincts to determine the
speed at which he'll zoom in and out,
1731
02:24:34,584 --> 02:24:41,584
and where he'll start to zoom in
and where he'll stop,
1732
02:24:42,543 --> 02:24:48,418
and in that sense, Jung Il-sung's
taste is very sophisticated.
1733
02:24:49,418 --> 02:24:55,209
He uses the zoom lens very well, when
it could have looked rather clumsy.
1734
02:24:57,459 --> 02:25:00,834
I guess we can say,
he has good hand skills.
1735
02:25:06,418 --> 02:25:11,918
Now we head to the grand finale.
1736
02:25:13,418 --> 02:25:19,751
The shocking pansori
music is introduced.
1737
02:25:20,709 --> 02:25:22,977
When I first watched this film,
this was also quite unexpected.
1738
02:25:23,001 --> 02:25:25,251
Yes.
1739
02:25:25,584 --> 02:25:30,501
At that time, I was a college student,
not really interested in traditional
1740
02:25:30,584 --> 02:25:37,751
Korean music, and I was
really shocked when I saw this.
1741
02:25:38,543 --> 02:25:41,501
I realized that you could actually
use music like that.
1742
02:25:41,584 --> 02:25:44,459
- The lyrics are the suicide note.
- That's right.
1743
02:25:44,668 --> 02:25:47,477
Think of what it would have been like
if they had inserted a voice over,
1744
02:25:47,501 --> 02:25:51,584
having Choi Bool-am read the letter.
1745
02:25:51,709 --> 02:25:55,626
It would make us uncomfortable,
we would hardly be able to stand it.
1746
02:25:55,751 --> 02:25:59,043
But to deliver the letter in that way.
1747
02:25:59,209 --> 02:26:07,001
Even more amazing, how did they
think of using a female singer?
1748
02:26:07,418 --> 02:26:12,876
Why ignore the numerous male
pansori singers and choose her?
1749
02:26:16,001 --> 02:26:20,626
- Because it appeals to the audience.
- I think it's really amazing.
1750
02:26:22,251 --> 02:26:26,626
I don't know what he was thinking
when he did this,
1751
02:26:27,084 --> 02:26:29,793
but the Bau in this film is
kind of sexless.
1752
02:26:29,918 --> 02:26:32,584
He is.
1753
02:26:32,668 --> 02:26:36,168
- He has no sexual element.
- No.
1754
02:26:37,626 --> 02:26:44,251
So even if a woman sings,
the song fully expresses Bau's mind.
1755
02:26:44,626 --> 02:26:49,543
In fact, I think it suits him
even better.
1756
02:26:55,918 --> 02:27:02,584
The idea was good, but I think that
hair and makeup were also good.
1757
02:27:03,293 --> 02:27:04,644
There could have been some opposition.
1758
02:27:04,668 --> 02:27:05,834
Yes.
1759
02:27:05,918 --> 02:27:08,709
They could have asked,
"Why did he do it like that?"
1760
02:27:08,834 --> 02:27:15,084
Well, back then, a producer brave
enough to stand up to Lee Doo-Yong...
1761
02:27:19,376 --> 02:27:22,501
The song was performed by
the master, Kim So-hee.
1762
02:27:26,209 --> 02:27:31,918
The editing here is also interesting.
He persistently repeats the story.
1763
02:27:32,543 --> 02:27:34,793
- He just changes his voice.
- It's very technical.
1764
02:27:34,959 --> 02:27:38,209
This tension seems to show us
his skills.
1765
02:27:38,334 --> 02:27:41,584
It does. He creates this urgency.
1766
02:27:43,668 --> 02:27:47,043
He probably thought about how he
would move on to the next scene,
1767
02:27:47,501 --> 02:27:49,584
immediately, you get the thought that,
1768
02:27:49,668 --> 02:27:51,959
He could do it this way.
1769
02:27:52,084 --> 02:27:55,751
Although it is questionable
1770
02:27:55,793 --> 02:27:59,709
how Hwang Bau's suicide might help
save his son,
1771
02:28:00,834 --> 02:28:03,209
doubtful,
1772
02:28:03,876 --> 02:28:05,376
still,
1773
02:28:05,793 --> 02:28:09,626
I think it was an idea that Bau could
have had because it was him.
1774
02:28:09,751 --> 02:28:16,584
He's not really a clever man,
just an honest person.
1775
02:28:16,751 --> 02:28:17,977
He keeps mentioning in his lines,
1776
02:28:18,001 --> 02:28:19,584
take me instead,
1777
02:28:19,626 --> 02:28:22,126
take me instead of my son.
1778
02:28:22,334 --> 02:28:25,876
He could have been naive enough
to think that the law
1779
02:28:27,709 --> 02:28:30,626
would think like him
and be lenient on his son.
1780
02:28:31,418 --> 02:28:37,709
This scene shows such a naive thought.
1781
02:28:43,001 --> 02:28:46,001
The film is quite dynamic.
1782
02:28:46,376 --> 02:28:48,543
The director never once shoots it
in an ordinary way.
1783
02:28:48,668 --> 02:28:55,959
He uses the telephoto lens well
and creates a powerful scene.
1784
02:28:59,251 --> 02:29:05,293
If the film went around every corner
showing us the landscape of
1785
02:29:05,876 --> 02:29:10,293
the South Korean countryside
in the beginning of the film,
1786
02:29:10,334 --> 02:29:18,459
now, as if it had been waiting,
it very intentionally shows us
1787
02:29:19,126 --> 02:29:26,876
various urban landscapes:
the apartments and hotels in Seoul,
1788
02:29:27,209 --> 02:29:28,918
the slums with the shacks
packed together.
1789
02:29:31,709 --> 02:29:37,209
I think the funeral scene was
also arranged very efficiently.
1790
02:29:37,293 --> 02:29:39,501
It was, it was.
1791
02:29:39,876 --> 02:29:45,126
They parked a funeral bus
outside the window
1792
02:29:45,251 --> 02:29:49,834
and showed us where this was.
1793
02:29:55,626 --> 02:30:00,209
There's no explanation, and then
there's Son Jihye's suicide.
1794
02:30:00,293 --> 02:30:02,626
The film just dashes through the story.
1795
02:30:04,209 --> 02:30:06,043
Zoom in, zoom out.
1796
02:30:07,293 --> 02:30:10,751
But the mise-en-scène here,
isn't it quite brilliant?
1797
02:30:10,959 --> 02:30:15,584
All the people that could come
have come.
1798
02:30:15,668 --> 02:30:19,793
In fact, there's no reason for
Han Hye-sook to be here.
1799
02:30:20,293 --> 02:30:26,418
But the director just
rounded them all up.
1800
02:30:46,084 --> 02:30:48,418
Because this song is repeated,
1801
02:30:48,501 --> 02:30:52,459
I feel it's more effective.
1802
02:30:52,626 --> 02:31:00,001
Since this is also a song
about Son Jihye,
1803
02:31:01,043 --> 02:31:10,209
the director is expressing the
hearts of the couple with one song.
1804
02:31:12,959 --> 02:31:15,959
I heard this scene was almost
cut during the screening.
1805
02:31:16,501 --> 02:31:20,084
One of the authorities asked why
she had to die next to the coffin.
1806
02:31:21,959 --> 02:31:24,876
They say it was a well-known
person who said that.
1807
02:31:26,001 --> 02:31:27,918
I wonder who it was.
1808
02:31:30,001 --> 02:31:32,876
Now a heron at a distance...
1809
02:31:37,584 --> 02:31:44,001
- This last scene is also amazing.
- It really is.
1810
02:31:44,709 --> 02:31:48,959
I didn't watch this film
at the time it was released,
1811
02:31:49,001 --> 02:31:53,959
but as one of the few people who
watched it some years later
1812
02:31:54,293 --> 02:31:58,209
I told my friends about this film,
The Last Witness,
1813
02:31:58,293 --> 02:32:00,933
and how the story went like this
and this and then ended like this.
1814
02:32:01,126 --> 02:32:08,584
When I described the last scene,
they were all dying to watch the film.
1815
02:32:09,501 --> 02:32:12,918
I believe they would all have agreed
after having watched it, much later,
1816
02:32:13,043 --> 02:32:18,043
that I was not exaggerating.
1817
02:32:23,834 --> 02:32:28,293
When he was injured, he told
Han Hye-sook, "I have to go,"
1818
02:32:28,376 --> 02:32:29,959
and here he answers,
1819
02:32:30,126 --> 02:32:33,376
Yes, when the authorities
tell him he has to go.
1820
02:32:36,584 --> 02:32:39,876
But the destination he has in mind....
1821
02:32:40,918 --> 02:32:45,876
The film is so interesting even when
we watch it over and over again.
1822
02:32:46,084 --> 02:32:48,001
It is.
1823
02:32:48,168 --> 02:32:53,209
This dreary landscape,
the bleak feeling.
1824
02:32:54,043 --> 02:32:59,334
The director pursues
this mood so relentlessly
1825
02:32:59,918 --> 02:33:05,168
that by the time we arrive here
at the end,
1826
02:33:05,376 --> 02:33:06,977
the audience are completely
immersed in it.
1827
02:33:07,001 --> 02:33:10,376
Our emotions rise to
a similar level as
1828
02:33:10,418 --> 02:33:12,209
Oh Byungho's.
1829
02:33:12,251 --> 02:33:13,769
Yes, the audience have
been well prepared.
1830
02:33:13,793 --> 02:33:20,584
The countless shots on the road,
walking,
1831
02:33:20,751 --> 02:33:24,584
that they went through so much trouble
to shoot, they are now rewarded here.
1832
02:33:24,751 --> 02:33:27,459
might ask whether the audience
would be persuaded by all this,
1833
02:33:27,543 --> 02:33:31,918
but I don't think we would have
been so shocked
1834
02:33:32,126 --> 02:33:36,168
if everything had been so natural.
1835
02:33:36,418 --> 02:33:39,876
The film walks a tight rope,
a fine line.
1836
02:33:40,209 --> 02:33:44,334
When the audience watch the film,
at that moment, they are shocked.
1837
02:33:45,126 --> 02:33:48,668
Then, after much thought, they think,
"Yes, he could have done that."
1838
02:33:49,459 --> 02:33:55,001
I think this film did very well
in maintaining that empathy.
1839
02:33:55,043 --> 02:33:57,126
We will now end the commentary
of this film.
1840
02:33:57,168 --> 02:33:59,959
Thank you.