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(ߴI&z3nI,-2Y,`̔`!+>1%ݲxKBՏK0b8ΩjNY0P. lbb n/N> 00:38:43,228 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. 563 00:38:43,561 --> 00:38:46,606 And I answered the phone, it was Howard calling from London. 564 00:38:46,690 --> 00:38:49,150 And he asked what was going on with McCarthy. 565 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:54,572 And before I answered him, I turned and looked over my shoulder... 566 00:38:54,906 --> 00:38:57,784 ...to see who was listening. - And who was listening? 567 00:38:59,619 --> 00:39:00,829 Chairman Mao... 568 00:39:07,127 --> 00:39:08,586 I'll see you at the office. 569 00:39:09,546 --> 00:39:11,172 - Hey, your ring! - Uh! 570 00:39:14,467 --> 00:39:15,927 Name me another wife... 571 00:39:16,386 --> 00:39:19,138 ...who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring... 572 00:39:19,222 --> 00:39:22,433 ...before he goes to the office. - Ava Gardner. 573 00:39:29,774 --> 00:39:33,528 Excuse me, Mr. Friendly. Mr. Murrow, Mr. Paley's on the line for you. 574 00:39:35,613 --> 00:39:39,242 - Maybe he wants to reimburse us for those ads. - You'd like that! 575 00:39:39,575 --> 00:39:41,452 - I would like that! - This is Ed. 576 00:39:41,744 --> 00:39:45,164 There's a Knickerbocker game tonight. I've got front row seats. 577 00:39:45,373 --> 00:39:46,666 Are you interested? 578 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:50,461 I'm busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 579 00:39:50,753 --> 00:39:51,754 Is that tonight? 580 00:39:53,464 --> 00:39:54,757 We're covered, Bill. 581 00:39:55,675 --> 00:39:56,759 All right. 582 00:39:58,678 --> 00:40:03,391 - I'm with you today, Ed, and I'm with you tomorrow. - Thanks, Bill. 583 00:40:19,156 --> 00:40:21,450 Do you know the timing on the first piece? 584 00:40:22,993 --> 00:40:24,912 Can we hold all the calls, please? 585 00:40:25,162 --> 00:40:27,373 Hold the calls till after the show. Thank you. 586 00:40:27,790 --> 00:40:29,917 - You fellas, awake down there? - Okay. 587 00:40:30,251 --> 00:40:33,045 - Just... what are we? 20? - 30 seconds, Ed. 588 00:40:48,936 --> 00:40:50,229 10 seconds. 589 00:40:54,525 --> 00:40:59,112 5, 4, 3, 2. 590 00:41:00,489 --> 00:41:01,949 And pan, camera one. 591 00:41:05,202 --> 00:41:09,081 Because a report on Senator McCarthy is by definition controversial... 592 00:41:09,498 --> 00:41:11,833 ...we want to say exactly what we mean to say... 593 00:41:11,917 --> 00:41:14,670 ...and request your permission to read from a script... 594 00:41:14,753 --> 00:41:17,297 ...whatever remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 595 00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:21,635 If the Senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures... 596 00:41:21,718 --> 00:41:23,970 ...and desires to answer himself... 597 00:41:24,137 --> 00:41:27,015 ...an opportunity will be afforded him on this program. 598 00:41:27,432 --> 00:41:30,018 Our working thesis tonight is this quotation: 599 00:41:30,727 --> 00:41:32,395 ..."If this fight against Communism..." 600 00:41:32,479 --> 00:41:35,816 "...has made a fight between America's two great political parties..." 601 00:41:35,899 --> 00:41:39,402 "...the American people know that one of these parties will be destroyed..." 602 00:41:39,486 --> 00:41:42,948 "...and the Republic cannot endure very long as a one-party system." 603 00:41:43,406 --> 00:41:44,991 We applaud that statement... 604 00:41:45,075 --> 00:41:47,327 ...and we think Senator McCarthy ought to. 605 00:41:47,535 --> 00:41:49,871 He said it 17 months ago in Milwaukee. 606 00:41:50,914 --> 00:41:54,292 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight... 607 00:41:54,417 --> 00:41:57,045 ...between America's two great political parties. 608 00:41:57,128 --> 00:41:58,755 If this fight against Communism... 609 00:41:58,838 --> 00:42:02,050 ...is made a fight against America's two great political parties... 610 00:42:02,133 --> 00:42:05,762 ...the American people know that one of those parties will be destroyed... 611 00:42:05,845 --> 00:42:09,265 ...and the Republic can't endure very long as a one-party system. 612 00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:12,727 On one thing the Senator has been consistent. 613 00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:16,606 Often operating as a one-man committee, he has traveled far... 614 00:42:16,689 --> 00:42:18,900 ...interviewed many, terrorized some... 615 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,444 ...accused civilian and military leaders... 616 00:42:21,528 --> 00:42:23,988 ...of the past administration of a great conspiracy... 617 00:42:24,072 --> 00:42:26,074 ...to turn over the country to Communism. 618 00:42:26,157 --> 00:42:30,578 I was extremely shocked when I heard that Secretary Stevens... 619 00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:35,416 ...told 2 Army officers that they had to take part in the cover up... 620 00:42:35,917 --> 00:42:38,503 ...of those who promoted and coddled Communists. 621 00:42:38,711 --> 00:42:41,631 As I read his statement, I... 622 00:42:42,590 --> 00:42:45,593 ...thought of that quotation, "On what meat..." 623 00:42:46,344 --> 00:42:48,513 "...doth this our Caesar feed?". 624 00:42:48,638 --> 00:42:49,639 The questions is: 625 00:42:49,722 --> 00:42:52,767 ...did the Civil Liberties Union supply you with an attorney? 626 00:42:52,850 --> 00:42:55,436 - They did supply an attorney. - The answer is yes? 627 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,521 The answer is yes. 628 00:42:56,604 --> 00:42:59,357 Do you think this book did considerable harm? 629 00:42:59,565 --> 00:43:00,983 Its publication... 630 00:43:02,068 --> 00:43:04,779 ...by an expression of the views contained in it? 631 00:43:05,071 --> 00:43:08,407 The sale of that book was so abysmally small... 632 00:43:08,908 --> 00:43:13,287 ...it was so unsuccessful, that the question of its influence... 633 00:43:13,704 --> 00:43:15,539 You can go back to the publisher... 634 00:43:15,623 --> 00:43:19,293 ...you'll see it was one of the most unsuccessful books he ever put out. 635 00:43:19,376 --> 00:43:21,545 He's still sorry about it, just as I am. 636 00:43:21,837 --> 00:43:25,049 Well, I think that's a compliment to American intelligence. 637 00:43:25,925 --> 00:43:27,051 I'll say that. 638 00:43:27,718 --> 00:43:31,430 The Reed Harris hearing demonstrates one of the Senator's techniques. 639 00:43:31,514 --> 00:43:32,765 Twice he said... 640 00:43:33,015 --> 00:43:36,894 ..."The American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a subversive front." 641 00:43:36,977 --> 00:43:39,980 The Attorney General's list does not and never has listed... 642 00:43:40,064 --> 00:43:42,900 ...the ACLU as subversive, nor does the FBI... 643 00:43:42,983 --> 00:43:45,235 ...or any other federal government agency. 644 00:43:45,569 --> 00:43:48,697 And the American Civil Liberties Union holds in its files... 645 00:43:48,781 --> 00:43:51,408 ...letters of commendation from President Truman... 646 00:43:51,492 --> 00:43:54,119 ...President Eisenhower, and General MacArthur. 647 00:43:55,162 --> 00:43:59,625 Earlier, the Senator asked, "Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed?". 648 00:43:59,917 --> 00:44:02,628 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's "Caesar"... 649 00:44:02,711 --> 00:44:06,298 ...he would have found this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 650 00:44:06,381 --> 00:44:10,677 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 651 00:44:11,386 --> 00:44:13,639 No one familiar with the history of this country... 652 00:44:13,722 --> 00:44:16,433 ...can deny that Congressional committees are useful. 653 00:44:16,516 --> 00:44:19,394 It is necessary to investigate before legislating... 654 00:44:19,478 --> 00:44:23,065 ...but the line between investigating and persecuting is a very fine one... 655 00:44:23,148 --> 00:44:27,027 ...and the junior Senator from Wisconsin has stepped over it repeatedly. 656 00:44:27,194 --> 00:44:29,780 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. 657 00:44:30,364 --> 00:44:33,450 We must remember always that accusation is not proof... 658 00:44:33,742 --> 00:44:37,496 ...and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. 659 00:44:38,455 --> 00:44:40,749 We will not walk in fear, one of another. 660 00:44:40,832 --> 00:44:43,710 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason... 661 00:44:43,793 --> 00:44:46,463 ...if we dig deep in our history and doctrine... 662 00:44:46,671 --> 00:44:49,966 ...and remember that we are not descended from fearful men... 663 00:44:50,133 --> 00:44:53,678 ...not from men who feared to write, to associate, to speak... 664 00:44:53,762 --> 00:44:57,182 ...and to defend the causes that were for the moment unpopular. 665 00:44:57,766 --> 00:45:01,144 This is no time for men who oppose Senator McCarthy's methods... 666 00:45:01,227 --> 00:45:03,813 ...to keep silent, or for those who approve. 667 00:45:04,522 --> 00:45:07,067 We can deny our heritage and our history... 668 00:45:07,150 --> 00:45:09,944 ...but we cannot escape responsibility for the results. 669 00:45:10,528 --> 00:45:12,822 We proclaim ourselves, indeed as we are... 670 00:45:12,906 --> 00:45:16,868 ...the defenders of freedom wherever it continues to exist in the world... 671 00:45:16,951 --> 00:45:20,455 ...but we cannot defend freedom abroad by deserting it at home. 672 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,416 The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 673 00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:26,502 ...have caused alarm and dismay amongst our allies abroad... 674 00:45:26,586 --> 00:45:29,130 ...and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 675 00:45:29,756 --> 00:45:32,675 And whose fault is that? Not really his. 676 00:45:33,134 --> 00:45:35,470 He didn't create this situation of fear... 677 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:38,723 ...he merely exploited it, and rather successfully. 678 00:45:40,266 --> 00:45:41,601 Cassius was right. 679 00:45:42,143 --> 00:45:46,522 "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves." 680 00:45:47,523 --> 00:45:49,609 Good night, and good luck. 681 00:45:57,325 --> 00:45:58,451 And we're out. 682 00:46:12,089 --> 00:46:13,132 Nothing? 683 00:46:16,344 --> 00:46:17,845 Maybe nobody watched. 684 00:46:22,933 --> 00:46:25,311 - We got nothing. - I don't know. - Nothing. 685 00:46:25,811 --> 00:46:28,397 Should I turn the phones back on, Mr. Williams? 686 00:46:29,899 --> 00:46:32,276 Yes. Now would be a good time for that. 687 00:46:33,027 --> 00:46:35,196 Turn the phones on! Turn the pho... 688 00:46:35,946 --> 00:46:37,573 Mr. Friendly wants the phones on. 689 00:46:37,656 --> 00:46:39,408 It's the Junior Senator calling collect. 690 00:46:39,491 --> 00:46:42,745 Don't kid yourself. It's Reed Harris thanking us for mentioning him. 691 00:46:42,828 --> 00:46:45,831 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw... 692 00:46:45,915 --> 00:46:48,626 ...but I want to associate myself and this program... 693 00:46:48,709 --> 00:46:50,336 ...with what Ed Murrow has just said... 694 00:46:50,419 --> 00:46:53,172 ...and say I have never been prouder of CBS. 695 00:46:56,050 --> 00:47:00,137 Senator McCarthy said today that he would demand equal free television... 696 00:47:04,933 --> 00:47:08,854 Stevenson had charged that the Senator made demagoguery and deceit... 697 00:47:09,104 --> 00:47:10,898 ...the national policy... 698 00:47:13,567 --> 00:47:15,736 - Is that Hollenbeck? - Congratulations! 699 00:47:15,819 --> 00:47:16,862 Great show! 700 00:47:17,696 --> 00:47:18,989 Feel like a Scotch? 701 00:47:19,573 --> 00:47:21,658 I think everybody could use a Scotch. 702 00:48:13,334 --> 00:48:16,546 - It's 3:30, early editions are out. - I'm not worried about that. 703 00:48:16,629 --> 00:48:18,298 Of course not. Shirley, honey... 704 00:48:18,381 --> 00:48:21,342 ...would you go across the street and get the early editions? 705 00:48:21,426 --> 00:48:23,386 - All of them? - Just get O'Brian! 706 00:48:26,014 --> 00:48:27,932 - Hey, watch my drink! - Yeah. 707 00:49:00,298 --> 00:49:02,133 Okay. Here we go. 708 00:49:02,717 --> 00:49:05,636 - At last! - The Times. - The Times... 709 00:49:05,761 --> 00:49:06,804 - First? - Good. 710 00:49:07,471 --> 00:49:09,307 - Who wrote it? - Jack Gould. 711 00:49:09,849 --> 00:49:11,183 Gould... 712 00:49:11,684 --> 00:49:15,187 Edward R. Murrow's television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy... 713 00:49:15,271 --> 00:49:19,108 ...was an exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 714 00:49:19,191 --> 00:49:22,737 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 715 00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:25,573 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation... 716 00:49:25,656 --> 00:49:29,452 ...the program was a milestone that reflected enlightened citizenship. 717 00:49:29,577 --> 00:49:30,828 The program... Hold on! 718 00:49:30,911 --> 00:49:33,706 The program was no less an indictment of those who wish... 719 00:49:33,789 --> 00:49:36,876 ...the problems posed by the Senator's tactics and theatrics... 720 00:49:36,959 --> 00:49:38,961 ...would just go away and leave them alone. 721 00:49:39,044 --> 00:49:42,006 That was Mr. Murrow's and television's triumph... 722 00:49:42,089 --> 00:49:43,632 ...and a very great one. 723 00:49:47,011 --> 00:49:48,137 Here! Here! 724 00:49:48,304 --> 00:49:50,431 - He hated it. - Yeah. What's his beef? 725 00:49:51,056 --> 00:49:52,933 Send the New York Times a bottle of Scotch. 726 00:49:53,017 --> 00:49:55,060 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 727 00:49:55,144 --> 00:49:57,104 - How's the Post? - Pretty good! 728 00:49:57,813 --> 00:49:59,815 - What about O'Brian? - Uh, the same. 729 00:50:01,316 --> 00:50:04,361 - Go on, read O'Brian! - I don't have it. 730 00:50:04,445 --> 00:50:05,904 - Got it. - Oh. Here. 731 00:50:08,157 --> 00:50:10,033 - There we go. - Shirley, that... 732 00:50:13,662 --> 00:50:17,249 We can't say we were surprised at Murrow's "Hate McCarthy" telecast... 733 00:50:17,332 --> 00:50:20,294 ...last evening, when his explosively one-sided propaganda... 734 00:50:20,377 --> 00:50:23,714 ...edited with deviously clever selectivity from McCarthy's march... 735 00:50:23,797 --> 00:50:26,216 ...against Communism, was finished last evening... 736 00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:29,720 ...by equally Machiavellian coincidence the following telecast... 737 00:50:29,803 --> 00:50:32,806 ...featured Murrow's PM protg, Hollenbeck. 738 00:50:33,557 --> 00:50:35,934 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck... 739 00:50:36,018 --> 00:50:39,479 ...hoped viewers had witnessed his patron's triumph... 740 00:50:39,563 --> 00:50:40,897 ...from and for the Left. 741 00:50:42,065 --> 00:50:43,275 So on. So on... 742 00:50:43,358 --> 00:50:45,485 Shirley, it's okay. Go ahead, finish it. 743 00:50:45,569 --> 00:50:48,738 - No, that's it. That's it. - Shirley, please, finish it. 744 00:50:51,908 --> 00:50:56,580 The CBS has been in a lengthy "clean house of Lefties" mood. 745 00:50:56,663 --> 00:50:58,373 The worst offenders on lesser levels... 746 00:50:58,456 --> 00:51:00,667 ...have been quietly pushed out of the company. 747 00:51:00,750 --> 00:51:04,713 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised pinko publication PM... 748 00:51:04,796 --> 00:51:08,592 ...attacked conservative papers with sly and slanted propaganda. 749 00:51:08,675 --> 00:51:11,011 He then proceeded through an equally... 750 00:51:12,846 --> 00:51:14,639 ...tilted review of the day's events... 751 00:51:14,723 --> 00:51:18,101 ...with McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitudes. 752 00:51:19,060 --> 00:51:20,061 So on. 753 00:51:22,856 --> 00:51:25,775 - It's O'Brian. - He didn't get the Scotch, that's all. 754 00:51:26,234 --> 00:51:29,279 - Is it grammatically correct? - I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 755 00:51:30,822 --> 00:51:33,867 - Thanks, Shirley. - Oh. - Mmh. - Thank you. 756 00:51:34,033 --> 00:51:36,327 Joe... Shirley... 757 00:51:41,249 --> 00:51:42,542 It doesn't matter. 758 00:51:47,797 --> 00:51:48,923 To Jack Gould! 759 00:51:50,049 --> 00:51:52,927 - To Jack! To Jack! To Jack Gould! - To Jack Gould! 760 00:51:53,011 --> 00:51:54,012 I love Jack Gould! 761 00:51:55,972 --> 00:51:57,515 May he rest in peace. 762 00:51:59,726 --> 00:52:02,562 - Hello, Jimmy. - Fred, congratulations! - Thank you. 763 00:52:03,354 --> 00:52:05,731 I got such a hangover to go along with the ulcer. 764 00:52:05,815 --> 00:52:07,692 All the ad guys on the 3rd floor watched the show. 765 00:52:07,775 --> 00:52:09,777 Got a good review in the New York Times. Jack Gould. 766 00:52:09,861 --> 00:52:11,237 We're putting out a press release... 767 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,198 ...saying that calls came in 15 to 1 in favor of the show. - Really? 768 00:52:14,282 --> 00:52:16,659 - Yeah. - 15 to 1? - We got calls from everywhere. 769 00:52:16,951 --> 00:52:20,288 - East Coast or West Coast? - Yeah. Kansas City, Cincinnati... 770 00:52:21,289 --> 00:52:22,415 Mr. Paley... 771 00:52:23,499 --> 00:52:25,668 - Morning, Fred. - Morning, Mr. Paley. 772 00:52:30,715 --> 00:52:31,799 How's your wife? 773 00:52:32,258 --> 00:52:34,427 She's fine. We're getting ready to move. 774 00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:37,596 - Really? Where to? - Riverdale. We found a nice house there. 775 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,681 It's nice there. 776 00:52:39,515 --> 00:52:40,599 Yes, sir. 777 00:52:47,648 --> 00:52:48,649 Excuse me. 778 00:52:48,858 --> 00:52:52,695 Fred! McCarthy wants William Buckley to do his rebuttal. 779 00:52:53,946 --> 00:52:55,030 I said no. 780 00:52:56,824 --> 00:52:57,866 Yes, sir. 781 00:53:04,248 --> 00:53:05,249 Hey, Johnny! 782 00:53:05,499 --> 00:53:07,751 - Radulovich has been reinstated. - What?! 783 00:53:07,835 --> 00:53:10,587 Radulovich... Guys! Radulovich has been reinstated. 784 00:53:10,671 --> 00:53:12,548 - Jesse! Jesse! - Where is Ed? 785 00:53:12,631 --> 00:53:15,175 - He's in the bullpen. Why? What's going on? - Jess! 786 00:53:15,259 --> 00:53:16,760 Got some very good news. 787 00:53:17,386 --> 00:53:20,472 Special announcement from the Secretary of the Air Force! 788 00:53:20,556 --> 00:53:22,599 Fellas! Listen up! Everyone! 789 00:53:23,433 --> 00:53:25,602 I have decided that it is consistent... 790 00:53:25,686 --> 00:53:28,438 ...with the interests of the National Security to retain... 791 00:53:28,522 --> 00:53:31,817 ...Lieutenant Radulovich in the United States Air Force. Stop. 792 00:53:31,984 --> 00:53:35,320 He is not, in my opinion, a security risk. Full stop. 793 00:53:37,948 --> 00:53:41,576 There you go. Harold E. Talbott, Secretary from the Air Force. 794 00:53:42,244 --> 00:53:43,245 Great job! 795 00:53:43,328 --> 00:53:45,247 - Make a copy of that for me! - I will do, Fred! 796 00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:47,290 Back to work, guys! We got a lot of work to do. 797 00:53:47,374 --> 00:53:48,625 This means something. 798 00:53:48,709 --> 00:53:50,293 - Good news, huh? - Congratulations! 799 00:53:50,377 --> 00:53:54,423 - This absolutely means something. - Absolutely. This is the start of... 800 00:54:01,429 --> 00:54:02,430 Palmer! 801 00:54:05,517 --> 00:54:07,561 The CBS lawyers wanna talk to you. 802 00:54:11,147 --> 00:54:12,190 When? 803 00:54:12,774 --> 00:54:13,900 Tomorrow. 804 00:54:14,818 --> 00:54:18,196 I don't want you to get paranoid, they're talking to everybody. 805 00:54:18,279 --> 00:54:19,322 Any ideas? 806 00:54:20,907 --> 00:54:22,534 Just tell them what you know. 807 00:54:22,617 --> 00:54:25,328 - Now is that testimony true? - No, sir, it is not. 808 00:54:25,412 --> 00:54:28,623 Not at any time have I been a member of the Communist Party... 809 00:54:28,706 --> 00:54:31,042 ...and I have never seen a Communist card. 810 00:54:31,126 --> 00:54:33,461 - You've never seen a Communist card? - That's right. 811 00:54:33,545 --> 00:54:35,505 Have you ever attended any Communist meetings? 812 00:54:35,588 --> 00:54:37,215 No, sir, never. 813 00:54:37,298 --> 00:54:39,551 Have you ever subscribed to The Daily Worker? 814 00:54:39,634 --> 00:54:43,429 No, sir. I didn't subscribe to it and I wouldn't pay for it. 815 00:54:44,222 --> 00:54:49,435 Uh... Now, Mrs. Markward, who was working for the FBI... 816 00:54:50,144 --> 00:54:53,481 ...who joined the Communist Party under orders from the FBI... 817 00:54:53,606 --> 00:54:56,776 ...has testified that while she never met you personally... 818 00:54:56,985 --> 00:55:00,196 ...at a Communist meeting that your name was on the list... 819 00:55:00,279 --> 00:55:02,448 ...of Communists who were paying dues. 820 00:55:02,949 --> 00:55:05,701 Uh... Can you shed any light upon that? 821 00:55:06,577 --> 00:55:09,455 No, sir. I don't even know what the dues are... 822 00:55:09,622 --> 00:55:13,126 ...or where they were paid. - So you have never paid any money... 823 00:55:14,168 --> 00:55:16,003 ...to the Communist Party. 824 00:55:16,754 --> 00:55:18,464 - Is that correct? - That's right. 825 00:55:18,631 --> 00:55:20,758 You've never paid any dues, payment... 826 00:55:20,841 --> 00:55:22,510 Thank you very much, Leo! 827 00:55:23,427 --> 00:55:25,263 Good work, Joe, Charlie. 828 00:55:25,888 --> 00:55:27,223 Now what is the show? 829 00:55:27,306 --> 00:55:30,059 Is it defending Annie Lee Moss as not being a Communist? 830 00:55:30,142 --> 00:55:32,728 - Or is it her Constitutional rights? - Both. - The latter. 831 00:55:32,812 --> 00:55:35,272 We're much better sticking out the Constitutional issues. 832 00:55:35,356 --> 00:55:37,066 - Agreed? - The woman is not a Communist spy. 833 00:55:37,149 --> 00:55:39,777 Joe McCarthy said that they have a spy in the Pentagon... 834 00:55:39,860 --> 00:55:41,570 ...that spy has gotten into the code room... 835 00:55:41,654 --> 00:55:43,406 ...and that that spy is Annie Lee Moss. 836 00:55:43,489 --> 00:55:45,991 I've got New York Times reports. McCarthy asserts he has... 837 00:55:46,075 --> 00:55:48,911 ...a new red link to Army. Quote, "Senator McCarthy charged today..." 838 00:55:48,994 --> 00:55:51,539 "...that the Army now employs a woman in its code room..." 839 00:55:51,622 --> 00:55:54,208 "...who was, and still may be, an active Communist." 840 00:55:54,291 --> 00:55:55,793 It's the front page of the New York Times. 841 00:55:55,876 --> 00:55:59,547 No sooner is he done chastising the other committee members for wanting... 842 00:55:59,630 --> 00:56:02,591 ...to push into the afternoon, than what? Seven questions in... 843 00:56:02,675 --> 00:56:04,301 ...he ducks out, leaves... - Right. 844 00:56:04,385 --> 00:56:07,388 - He leaves. - It's all over the headlines, all over the country. 845 00:56:07,471 --> 00:56:09,056 Get me copies from any newspaper... 846 00:56:09,139 --> 00:56:10,766 ...that printed anything about that assertion. 847 00:56:10,849 --> 00:56:14,186 That's a good idea. You should get the Cincinnati Inquirer. 848 00:56:14,269 --> 00:56:17,314 - Chicago. - Couple other pieces I think we should include. 849 00:56:17,398 --> 00:56:20,526 The fact that there's 3 Annie Lee Moss's in the phone book. 850 00:56:20,609 --> 00:56:23,654 There are 2 Robert Halls, one's colored, one's white. 851 00:56:23,737 --> 00:56:25,656 We have some footage of the empty chair. 852 00:56:25,739 --> 00:56:28,909 I think that says it all. Just that picture of McCarthy not... 853 00:56:28,992 --> 00:56:31,829 McCarthy leaving the hearing after 7 questions... 854 00:56:31,912 --> 00:56:34,081 ...and then we'll cut to the shot of the chair. 855 00:56:34,164 --> 00:56:36,833 - We gotta do something about it. - All right, so... 856 00:56:36,917 --> 00:56:40,796 Excuse me. Mr. Murrow! McCarthy wants April 6th. 857 00:56:44,591 --> 00:56:45,884 Thank you, Natalie. 858 00:56:50,514 --> 00:56:53,767 Fine. If Charlie shoots it, we get to see it first. We should offer. 859 00:56:53,850 --> 00:56:56,436 - It's a long shot. - What the hell could McCarthy do? 860 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,022 Is he gonna debate himself? We just used his words! 861 00:57:02,359 --> 00:57:04,569 Johnny! Johnny! We know what it's going to be. 862 00:57:04,653 --> 00:57:07,656 He's going to come after me. There's nothing more he can do. 863 00:57:07,739 --> 00:57:10,242 He's gonna bet that a Senator trumps a newsman. 864 00:57:11,159 --> 00:57:12,202 He'll lose. 865 00:57:12,619 --> 00:57:14,246 Not if we're playing bridge. 866 00:57:15,956 --> 00:57:18,833 - I'm sorry, guys. I didn't mean to interrupt. - Hey, Don. 867 00:57:18,917 --> 00:57:21,086 - It's getting fun now! - Ed, you have a minute? 868 00:57:21,544 --> 00:57:25,173 - Yes, I'll be right there. - All right, boys. Playtime's over. 869 00:57:25,548 --> 00:57:26,925 We have 4 days... 870 00:57:27,175 --> 00:57:29,678 ...to do a 28 minute show. - Yeah. - All right. 871 00:57:29,761 --> 00:57:31,221 All right, go ahead. Hi, Mary. 872 00:57:31,304 --> 00:57:33,014 Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck. Mr. Murrow... 873 00:57:33,098 --> 00:57:34,933 - Could you give us a moment? - Sure. 874 00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:37,894 Thank you, dear. 875 00:57:39,646 --> 00:57:42,357 I have to ask you something, Ed. It's about O'Brian. 876 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,359 - O'Brian doesn't matter. - He's killing me, Ed. 877 00:57:44,442 --> 00:57:46,236 He doesn't amount to that much in the newsroom. 878 00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:47,737 We've got to let that guy have it. 879 00:57:47,820 --> 00:57:51,115 We're not going after O'Brian. I will not take on McCarthy and Hearst. 880 00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:52,492 I can't defeat them both. 881 00:57:53,576 --> 00:57:56,871 Just don't read the papers. Or don't read O'Brian, anyway. 882 00:58:02,085 --> 00:58:04,379 Okay. I guess not. 883 00:58:05,672 --> 00:58:06,756 Sorry, Don. 884 00:58:20,853 --> 00:58:22,730 Although Mrs. Moss offered to testify... 885 00:58:22,813 --> 00:58:25,942 ...Senator McCarthy suggested that she was too sick. 886 00:58:26,025 --> 00:58:29,737 - She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted to know about Mrs. Moss's connection... 887 00:58:29,820 --> 00:58:33,491 ...to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth... 888 00:58:33,574 --> 00:58:34,742 ...so help you God? 889 00:58:38,537 --> 00:58:41,207 May we get your full name for the record, please? 890 00:58:41,582 --> 00:58:42,917 Annie Lee Moss. 891 00:58:44,043 --> 00:58:45,711 - M-O-S-S? - That's right. 892 00:58:46,045 --> 00:58:49,298 Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record, for your information... 893 00:58:49,381 --> 00:58:51,592 ...for the information of your counsel... 894 00:58:52,093 --> 00:58:54,053 ...that you are not here because... 895 00:58:55,387 --> 00:59:00,434 ...you are considered important in the Communist apparatus. 896 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:04,063 We have the testimony that you are, and have been, a Communist. 897 00:59:05,272 --> 00:59:08,651 We are rather curious, however, to know how you suddenly... 898 00:59:09,944 --> 00:59:11,362 ...were shifted from... 899 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,325 ...a worker in a cafeteria to the code room. 900 00:59:16,617 --> 00:59:19,912 I am today much more interested... 901 00:59:20,662 --> 00:59:24,375 ...in the handling of your case... 902 00:59:25,125 --> 00:59:28,337 ...by your superiors than in your own personal activities. 903 00:59:28,712 --> 00:59:32,883 However, counsel will question you about your own activities also. 904 00:59:33,217 --> 00:59:36,303 - Mr. Chairman! - We will not hear from counsel. 905 00:59:36,887 --> 00:59:38,889 You have been told what the rule is. 906 00:59:39,181 --> 00:59:42,226 If you have anything to say, say it through your client. 907 00:59:45,896 --> 00:59:49,650 Chairman. Did you begin work at the General Accounting Office in... 908 00:59:50,525 --> 00:59:52,736 ...1945? - Yes, sir. 909 00:59:53,612 --> 00:59:57,866 And, prior to that time, had you been a cafeteria worker? 910 00:59:57,949 --> 00:59:59,284 Yes, I had. 911 00:59:59,576 --> 01:00:03,914 I see. While in the Pentagon, since 1950... 912 01:00:04,247 --> 01:00:07,000 ...have you had any connections with coded messages? 913 01:00:07,083 --> 01:00:09,044 Have you ever handled coded messages? 914 01:00:10,128 --> 01:00:12,672 - No more than to transmit 'em. - Pardon me? 915 01:00:12,964 --> 01:00:15,175 No more than to transmit the message. 916 01:00:15,258 --> 01:00:17,636 Than to transmit them? Did you transmit codes? 917 01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:20,430 To receive or transmit messages was all I had to do. 918 01:00:20,513 --> 01:00:23,141 And I've never been into a courtroom in my life. 919 01:00:23,683 --> 01:00:24,976 Do you know the... 920 01:00:26,978 --> 01:00:28,647 ...type of classification... 921 01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:32,901 - Do you know if they were secret, top secret, confidential? - No, sir. 922 01:00:33,151 --> 01:00:36,529 - You wouldn't know the degree of classification? - No, sir. 923 01:00:36,946 --> 01:00:37,989 I see. 924 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,368 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself, I've got... 925 01:00:43,536 --> 01:00:47,582 ...a rather important appointment to work on right now... 926 01:00:47,665 --> 01:00:51,920 ...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt, you would take over as Chairman? 927 01:00:56,883 --> 01:00:58,426 - Chairman. Uh... - Cohn. 928 01:00:58,509 --> 01:01:01,554 I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 929 01:01:01,638 --> 01:01:05,767 We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward, the undercover agent for the FBI... 930 01:01:06,059 --> 01:01:09,604 ...stating that Annie Lee Moss was a member, a dues-paying member... 931 01:01:09,687 --> 01:01:11,439 ...of the Communist Party... 932 01:01:11,898 --> 01:01:14,192 ...the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 933 01:01:14,275 --> 01:01:17,612 We have corroboration of that testimony by another... 934 01:01:18,613 --> 01:01:20,865 ...witness who was called before the Committee... 935 01:01:20,948 --> 01:01:22,784 ...and gave a sworn statement to the effect... 936 01:01:22,867 --> 01:01:25,536 ...that she also knew Mrs. Moss as a member... 937 01:01:25,620 --> 01:01:27,663 ...of the Northeast Club of the Communist Party. 938 01:01:27,747 --> 01:01:32,001 She's already lost her job. She's been suspended because of this action. 939 01:01:32,752 --> 01:01:36,297 I'm not defending her. If she's a Communist, I want her exposed. 940 01:01:36,631 --> 01:01:40,301 But to make these statements as we've got corroborating evidence... 941 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,929 ...that she is a Communist, under these circumstances... 942 01:01:44,013 --> 01:01:47,641 ...I think she's entitled to have it produced here in her presence... 943 01:01:47,808 --> 01:01:51,103 ...and let the public know about it and let her know about it. 944 01:01:54,523 --> 01:01:57,818 I don't like to try people by hearsay evidence. 945 01:01:59,195 --> 01:02:01,947 I'd like to get the witnesses here and try them... 946 01:02:03,657 --> 01:02:05,367 ...by testimony, under oath. 947 01:02:05,659 --> 01:02:09,246 The Chair will rule that the comment of Mr. Cohn... 948 01:02:09,330 --> 01:02:10,956 ...be stricken from the record. 949 01:02:11,207 --> 01:02:13,751 I didn't ask that, Mr. Chairman! 950 01:02:13,834 --> 01:02:16,462 ...whether we should try to produce a witness in public... 951 01:02:16,545 --> 01:02:19,757 ...because the FBI may have her undercover and we don't want to... 952 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:24,386 You can't strike these statements made by counsel here as to evidence... 953 01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:28,682 ...that we're having and withholding. You cannot strike that from the press... 954 01:02:28,766 --> 01:02:33,896 ...nor from the public mind once it's planted there. That's the... 955 01:02:35,814 --> 01:02:37,149 ...evil of it! 956 01:02:37,441 --> 01:02:40,652 - Well, I'd look at it... - I don't think it's fair to a witness... 957 01:02:40,736 --> 01:02:42,196 ...to a citizen of this country... 958 01:02:42,279 --> 01:02:44,364 ...to bring them up here and cross-examine them... 959 01:02:44,448 --> 01:02:45,866 ...then when they get through, say... 960 01:02:45,949 --> 01:02:48,911 ..."The FBI has got something on you that condemns you." 961 01:02:48,994 --> 01:02:51,705 - The Chair agrees... - It is not sworn testimony... 962 01:02:51,788 --> 01:02:55,417 ...it's convicting people by rumor and hearsay and innuendo. 963 01:02:57,085 --> 01:03:00,714 You will notice that neither Senator McClellan or Senator Symington... 964 01:03:00,797 --> 01:03:05,135 ...nor this reporter know or claim that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist. 965 01:03:05,761 --> 01:03:08,013 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 966 01:03:08,055 --> 01:03:10,307 They simply claimed that she had the right to meet her accusers face to face. 967 01:03:25,155 --> 01:03:29,242 One month ago tonight we presented a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 968 01:03:29,659 --> 01:03:31,453 We labeled it as controversial. 969 01:03:31,995 --> 01:03:35,665 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the Senator. 970 01:03:36,249 --> 01:03:37,792 At that time, we said... 971 01:03:37,959 --> 01:03:41,880 ..."If the Senator believes we have done violence to his words or pictures..." 972 01:03:41,963 --> 01:03:44,549 "...if he desires to speak, to answer himself..." 973 01:03:44,632 --> 01:03:47,761 "...an opportunity would be afforded him on this program." 974 01:03:48,052 --> 01:03:51,764 The Senator sought the opportunity after 3 weeks... 975 01:03:51,848 --> 01:03:55,935 ...because he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 976 01:03:56,477 --> 01:03:57,520 We agreed. 977 01:03:58,021 --> 01:04:02,191 We placed no restrictions on the manner of the presentation of his reply... 978 01:04:02,317 --> 01:04:05,403 ...and we suggested that we would not take time to comment... 979 01:04:05,486 --> 01:04:07,238 ...on this particular program. 980 01:04:07,780 --> 01:04:11,743 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior Senator from Wisconsin. 981 01:04:13,161 --> 01:04:19,500 Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow, Educational Director of the CBS... 982 01:04:20,501 --> 01:04:22,837 ...devoted his program to an attack... 983 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,132 ...on the work of the US Senate Investigating Committee... 984 01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:28,759 ...and on me personally as its Chairman. 985 01:04:29,594 --> 01:04:33,222 Now, over the past 4 years, he has made repeated attacks upon me... 986 01:04:33,681 --> 01:04:35,474 ...and those fighting Communists. 987 01:04:36,893 --> 01:04:40,104 Of course, neither Joe McCarthy nor Edward R. Murrow... 988 01:04:40,771 --> 01:04:43,691 ...is of any great importance as individuals. 989 01:04:44,775 --> 01:04:46,277 We are only important... 990 01:04:46,611 --> 01:04:50,656 ...in our relation to the great struggle to preserve our American liberties. 991 01:04:51,115 --> 01:04:55,828 Now ordinarily, I wouldn't take time out from the important work at hand... 992 01:04:56,579 --> 01:04:57,830 ...to answer Murrow. 993 01:04:58,330 --> 01:04:59,874 However, in this case... 994 01:04:59,957 --> 01:05:03,753 ...I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the symbol... 995 01:05:04,503 --> 01:05:05,588 ...the leader... 996 01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:11,010 ...and the cleverest of the jackal pack which is always found at the throat... 997 01:05:11,427 --> 01:05:15,472 ...of anyone who dares to expose individual Communists and traitors. 998 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,601 And I am compelled by the fact... 999 01:05:19,018 --> 01:05:21,520 ...to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow... 1000 01:05:22,104 --> 01:05:24,648 ...as far back as 20 years ago... 1001 01:05:25,316 --> 01:05:28,736 ...was engaged in propaganda for Communist causes. 1002 01:05:29,945 --> 01:05:32,990 For example, the Institute of International Education... 1003 01:05:33,198 --> 01:05:35,451 ...of which he was the Acting Director... 1004 01:05:36,034 --> 01:05:38,996 ...was chosen to act as a representative... 1005 01:05:39,371 --> 01:05:41,039 ...by a Soviet agency... 1006 01:05:42,166 --> 01:05:47,588 ...to do a job which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 1007 01:05:48,505 --> 01:05:52,175 Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW... 1008 01:05:52,259 --> 01:05:54,803 ...that's the Industrial Workers of the World... 1009 01:05:54,887 --> 01:05:57,681 ...a terrorist organization cited as subversive... 1010 01:05:58,265 --> 01:06:00,767 ...by an Attorney General of the United States. 1011 01:06:00,934 --> 01:06:04,271 Mr. Murrow said on this program and I quote... 1012 01:06:05,063 --> 01:06:08,775 ..."The actions of the junior Senator from Wisconsin..." 1013 01:06:10,110 --> 01:06:14,156 "...have given considerable comfort to the enemy." 1014 01:06:14,781 --> 01:06:18,702 That is the language of our statute of treason, rather strong language. 1015 01:06:19,453 --> 01:06:24,791 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 1016 01:06:25,125 --> 01:06:27,043 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow... 1017 01:06:27,502 --> 01:06:29,588 ...is giving comfort to our enemies... 1018 01:06:29,838 --> 01:06:32,299 ...he ought not to be brought into the homes... 1019 01:06:32,507 --> 01:06:36,094 ...of millions of Americans by the CBS. 1020 01:06:36,219 --> 01:06:37,679 And I want to assure you... 1021 01:06:38,805 --> 01:06:41,808 ...that I will not be deterred... 1022 01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:48,398 ...by the attacks of the Murrows, the Lattimores, the Fosters... 1023 01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:53,153 ...The Daily Worker or the Communist Party itself. 1024 01:06:55,321 --> 01:06:58,450 And I make no claim to leadership. 1025 01:07:00,743 --> 01:07:02,328 In complete humility... 1026 01:07:04,163 --> 01:07:08,293 ...I do ask you and every American who loves this country... 1027 01:07:09,002 --> 01:07:10,628 ...to join with me. 1028 01:07:38,698 --> 01:07:40,783 [Everyone talks about the weather.] 1029 01:07:41,617 --> 01:07:44,453 [Wherever you look on America's modern farms...] 1030 01:07:44,745 --> 01:07:49,208 [... aluminum is on the job, helping the farmer do something about the weather.] 1031 01:07:50,084 --> 01:07:53,337 [Aluminum for the farm is one more example of how Alcoa...] 1032 01:07:53,421 --> 01:07:54,797 [... since 1888...] 1033 01:07:55,131 --> 01:07:58,968 [... has continued to pioneer new uses for this vital metal.] 1034 01:07:59,552 --> 01:08:03,681 [New uses of aluminum that mean better farms and better farming.] 1035 01:08:04,306 --> 01:08:07,977 [The aluminum from the nation's first and leading producer...] 1036 01:08:08,561 --> 01:08:12,022 [... Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America.] 1037 01:08:12,523 --> 01:08:15,025 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program... 1038 01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:17,611 ...to correct any errors he might have thought we made... 1039 01:08:17,695 --> 01:08:19,280 ...in our report of March 9th. 1040 01:08:19,363 --> 01:08:22,783 Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made... 1041 01:08:22,866 --> 01:08:25,619 ...we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. 1042 01:08:26,537 --> 01:08:29,039 He proved again that anyone who exposes him... 1043 01:08:29,123 --> 01:08:33,752 ...anyone who doesn't share his disregard for decency and human dignity... 1044 01:08:33,877 --> 01:08:36,380 ...and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution... 1045 01:08:36,463 --> 01:08:39,174 ...must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler. 1046 01:08:39,758 --> 01:08:41,552 I fully expected this treatment. 1047 01:08:42,344 --> 01:08:45,806 The Senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals... 1048 01:08:45,889 --> 01:08:49,393 ...and institutions he has accused of serving the Communist cause. 1049 01:08:49,768 --> 01:08:51,520 His proposition is very simple: 1050 01:08:51,854 --> 01:08:55,357 ...anyone who criticizes or opposes Senator McCarthy's methods... 1051 01:08:55,566 --> 01:08:56,984 ...must be a Communist. 1052 01:08:57,693 --> 01:09:01,446 And if that be true, there are an awful lot of Communists in the USA. 1053 01:09:02,114 --> 01:09:05,742 For the record, let's consider briefly some of the Senator's charges. 1054 01:09:05,826 --> 01:09:07,911 He claimed, but offered no proof... 1055 01:09:07,995 --> 01:09:11,331 ...that I had been a member of the Industrial Workers of the World. 1056 01:09:11,415 --> 01:09:12,582 That is false. 1057 01:09:13,208 --> 01:09:16,962 I was never a member of the IWW, never applied for membership. 1058 01:09:18,088 --> 01:09:20,674 The Senator charged that Professor Harold Laski... 1059 01:09:20,757 --> 01:09:23,802 ...a British scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. 1060 01:09:23,885 --> 01:09:24,970 That's true. 1061 01:09:25,262 --> 01:09:28,723 He is dead. He was a socialist, I am not. 1062 01:09:29,766 --> 01:09:31,476 He was a civilized individual... 1063 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,813 ...who did not insist upon agreement with his political principles... 1064 01:09:34,896 --> 01:09:37,732 ...as a pre-condition for conversation or friendship. 1065 01:09:38,149 --> 01:09:40,402 I do not agree with his political ideas. 1066 01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:43,822 Laski, as he makes clear in the introduction... 1067 01:09:43,905 --> 01:09:47,367 ...dedicated the book to me, not because of political agreement... 1068 01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:51,287 ...but because he held my wartime broadcast from London in high regard. 1069 01:09:51,788 --> 01:09:53,498 And the dedication so reads. 1070 01:09:55,083 --> 01:09:57,544 I believed 20 years ago and I believe today... 1071 01:09:58,002 --> 01:10:01,631 ...that mature Americans can engage in conversation and controversy... 1072 01:10:01,714 --> 01:10:04,968 ...the clash of ideas, with Communists anywhere in the world... 1073 01:10:05,051 --> 01:10:07,595 ...without becoming contaminated or converted. 1074 01:10:08,388 --> 01:10:10,974 I believe that our faith, our conviction... 1075 01:10:11,349 --> 01:10:13,851 ...our determination are stronger than theirs... 1076 01:10:14,143 --> 01:10:18,564 ...and that we can successfully compete, not only in the area of bombs... 1077 01:10:19,023 --> 01:10:20,858 ...but in the area of ideas. 1078 01:10:23,111 --> 01:10:25,780 I have worked with CBS for more than 19 years. 1079 01:10:26,155 --> 01:10:29,909 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity and responsibility... 1080 01:10:29,992 --> 01:10:32,412 ...as a broadcaster and as a loyal American. 1081 01:10:33,246 --> 01:10:36,707 I require no lectures from the junior Senator from Wisconsin... 1082 01:10:36,791 --> 01:10:39,418 ...as to the dangers or terrors of Communism. 1083 01:10:40,545 --> 01:10:42,922 Having searched my conscience and my files... 1084 01:10:43,005 --> 01:10:46,050 ...I cannot contend that I have always been right or wise... 1085 01:10:46,133 --> 01:10:49,262 ...but I have attempted to pursue the truth with diligence... 1086 01:10:49,345 --> 01:10:50,471 ...and to report it... 1087 01:10:50,555 --> 01:10:53,641 ...even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance... 1088 01:10:53,724 --> 01:10:57,270 ...that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1089 01:10:58,229 --> 01:11:02,358 We shall hope to deal with matters of more vital interest next week. 1090 01:11:03,192 --> 01:11:04,860 Good night, and good luck. 1091 01:11:12,576 --> 01:11:16,372 In the last analysis, the Senator was perched on the television high dive... 1092 01:11:16,455 --> 01:11:18,749 ...and all prepared to make a resounding splash. 1093 01:11:18,833 --> 01:11:21,544 He jumped beautifully, but he neglected to check first... 1094 01:11:21,627 --> 01:11:24,421 ...where he was going to land. It must have been a shock... 1095 01:11:24,505 --> 01:11:28,008 ...to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained the water out of the pool. 1096 01:11:28,884 --> 01:11:31,470 - Is that the Times? Gould? - Yeah, it's Jack Gould. 1097 01:11:31,553 --> 01:11:33,639 - He's a hell of a writer. - Yes, he is. 1098 01:11:34,265 --> 01:11:36,934 - If we can afford him! - Stanton's got a public opinion... 1099 01:11:37,017 --> 01:11:38,602 Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1100 01:11:39,687 --> 01:11:40,729 What? 1101 01:11:40,854 --> 01:11:44,483 The Army's charging that McCarthy and Cohn exercised undue pressure... 1102 01:11:44,566 --> 01:11:47,945 ...to get preferential treatment for Schine. - Who's the source? 1103 01:11:48,028 --> 01:11:52,074 - Got a second source? - There isn't, but this is coming out in 2 hours. 1104 01:11:52,157 --> 01:11:55,494 - Who's heading up the investigation? - It's not gonna be McCarthy! 1105 01:11:55,577 --> 01:11:57,371 - Really? - What happened? 1106 01:11:57,538 --> 01:12:00,415 - Also get me the Washington Post! - What's going on? 1107 01:12:00,499 --> 01:12:02,000 It's Williams for Jack Thompson. 1108 01:12:02,084 --> 01:12:03,877 The Senate's investigating McCarthy. 1109 01:12:04,711 --> 01:12:06,838 There is an added bit of comedy to this whole story. 1110 01:12:06,922 --> 01:12:08,924 The Committee cannot convene for several days... 1111 01:12:09,007 --> 01:12:11,760 ...because Senator McCarthy has a slight case of laryngitis. 1112 01:12:11,843 --> 01:12:15,722 And he must recover over the desert air of Arizona. 1113 01:12:19,017 --> 01:12:22,562 - But Stevens is going after him and it looks like Joe Welch. - Yeah. 1114 01:12:22,646 --> 01:12:25,065 They're gonna allow each side to call witnesses... 1115 01:12:25,148 --> 01:12:26,983 ...and be privy to other testimony. 1116 01:12:27,275 --> 01:12:31,154 - Fred, we still have a meeting! - We're gonna go to talk to Thompson. 1117 01:12:33,698 --> 01:12:35,200 No, thanks, Jack. Bye. 1118 01:12:36,076 --> 01:12:39,037 Freddy, we're a hit. Right up there with "Howdy Dowdy"! 1119 01:12:40,330 --> 01:12:42,332 Can I have an outlet satellite, please? 1120 01:12:44,167 --> 01:12:50,799 - 74, 76, 47. Thank you. - Murrayville 3, 1-2-7-6. 1121 01:13:10,819 --> 01:13:13,947 The fact of newscaster Don Hollenbeck's suicide yesterday... 1122 01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:17,992 ...does not remove from the record that peculiar history... 1123 01:13:18,701 --> 01:13:23,748 ...of the leftist slanting of news indulged consistently by the CBS. 1124 01:13:25,124 --> 01:13:28,378 Hollenbeck was what most astute students of CBS's strange... 1125 01:13:28,711 --> 01:13:31,047 ...and questionable new methods considered... 1126 01:13:31,130 --> 01:13:36,719 ..."typical of its newscasters". By Jack O'Brian. 1127 01:15:10,938 --> 01:15:12,981 Oh, yeah. I like it like that. 1128 01:15:15,233 --> 01:15:19,154 One of the best programs I ever heard was called "CBS Views The Press". 1129 01:15:19,863 --> 01:15:22,324 A great many people liked it, some didn't... 1130 01:15:22,699 --> 01:15:25,327 ...but no one ever called it anything but honest. 1131 01:15:25,744 --> 01:15:29,539 It was the work of an honest reporter. Don Hollenbeck. 1132 01:15:30,499 --> 01:15:32,876 He also worked occasionally on "See It Now". 1133 01:15:33,585 --> 01:15:36,421 He did the 11 p.m. News over some of these stations. 1134 01:15:37,130 --> 01:15:39,841 He had been sick lately and he died this morning. 1135 01:15:40,425 --> 01:15:43,011 The police said it was suicide... gas. 1136 01:15:44,721 --> 01:15:46,014 Not much of an obit. 1137 01:15:46,473 --> 01:15:49,643 But, at least we got our facts straight, and it was brief. 1138 01:15:50,685 --> 01:15:53,229 And that's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 1139 01:15:54,189 --> 01:15:55,982 Good night, and good luck. 1140 01:16:01,613 --> 01:16:03,740 Got to be in Philadelphia this morning. 1141 01:16:04,824 --> 01:16:06,326 What time is your train? 1142 01:16:07,410 --> 01:16:08,411 8:00. 1143 01:16:09,996 --> 01:16:12,582 - Charlie going with you? - Uh-huh. 1144 01:16:21,591 --> 01:16:22,800 Here's a thought. 1145 01:16:24,636 --> 01:16:26,012 What if we're wrong? 1146 01:16:28,681 --> 01:16:29,933 We're not wrong. 1147 01:16:31,643 --> 01:16:33,353 We're not going to look back... 1148 01:16:35,396 --> 01:16:37,523 ...and say we protected the wrong side? 1149 01:16:39,942 --> 01:16:45,281 Protected them from what? In the name of what? What would we be preserving? 1150 01:16:46,407 --> 01:16:49,827 Argument could be made, "for the greater good". 1151 01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:54,790 Not once you give it all away. It's no good then. 1152 01:16:56,501 --> 01:16:57,877 It's just a thought. 1153 01:17:04,592 --> 01:17:09,347 Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyer's Guild. 1154 01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:12,016 And Mr. Cohn nods his head at me. 1155 01:17:12,224 --> 01:17:16,062 - I did you, I think, no personal injury, Mr. Cohn. - No, sir. 1156 01:17:16,145 --> 01:17:18,773 - I meant to do you no personal injury. - No. 1157 01:17:18,939 --> 01:17:22,026 And if I did, I beg your pardon. 1158 01:17:22,443 --> 01:17:27,907 Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. 1159 01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,785 - Let's... let's... - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1160 01:17:31,994 --> 01:17:37,124 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 1161 01:17:37,499 --> 01:17:41,503 - I know this hurts you, Mr. Welch. - Senator, I think it hurts you, too. 1162 01:17:41,629 --> 01:17:45,132 - I'd like to finish this. - Have you some private reservation... 1163 01:17:45,215 --> 01:17:49,011 ...when you take the oath that you will tell the whole truth... 1164 01:17:49,386 --> 01:17:52,556 ...that lets you be the judge of what you will testify to? 1165 01:17:52,723 --> 01:17:56,352 The answer is there's no reservation about telling the whole truth. 1166 01:17:56,518 --> 01:18:01,857 Thank you, sir. Then tell us who delivered the documents to you! 1167 01:18:01,940 --> 01:18:04,985 I don't want to mean that this new fashion is not chic. 1168 01:18:05,068 --> 01:18:08,822 - I think it's just no good for me. - Uh, not for you. 1169 01:18:09,114 --> 01:18:11,825 Milko, anything you care to say on that subject? 1170 01:18:11,909 --> 01:18:13,285 I think no comment. 1171 01:18:16,914 --> 01:18:20,292 It's got to be there. If you can't find it, I can't write about it. 1172 01:18:20,375 --> 01:18:22,794 - Check again. - Charlie said he dropped it off. 1173 01:18:22,878 --> 01:18:26,048 - Charlie said he dropped... - Shirley, can I see you a minute? 1174 01:18:26,256 --> 01:18:27,883 - I got to call you back. - Joe! 1175 01:18:28,008 --> 01:18:29,009 You, too. 1176 01:18:39,311 --> 01:18:40,395 Close the door. 1177 01:18:43,648 --> 01:18:44,733 Have a seat. 1178 01:18:48,361 --> 01:18:51,489 - How are you? - Fine, thank you. - Swell. Yeah. 1179 01:18:52,157 --> 01:18:55,243 Uh, you both are aware that there's a policy at CBS... 1180 01:18:55,327 --> 01:18:57,454 ...that no two employees can be married. 1181 01:19:00,248 --> 01:19:03,668 I want to ask you a question, but I don't want you to answer it. 1182 01:19:03,752 --> 01:19:05,503 I want you to consider it. 1183 01:19:06,671 --> 01:19:08,340 I know you two are married. 1184 01:19:10,425 --> 01:19:11,551 Everyone knows. 1185 01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:14,012 That's not my question. 1186 01:19:14,387 --> 01:19:17,474 In the next few weeks I have to lay off a couple of people. 1187 01:19:17,557 --> 01:19:20,393 We're making some significant cuts across the board. 1188 01:19:21,686 --> 01:19:23,313 I wanted you to know that... 1189 01:19:23,521 --> 01:19:26,482 ...because you could save someone else being fired. 1190 01:19:28,651 --> 01:19:32,530 I'm asking you to consider making this decision a little easier. 1191 01:19:34,866 --> 01:19:36,534 I don't need an answer now. 1192 01:19:38,077 --> 01:19:40,121 Just think about it. 1193 01:19:41,789 --> 01:19:42,790 Good. 1194 01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:55,970 - Well, Joe... - Well? 1195 01:19:56,387 --> 01:19:59,599 - Sure we're gonna miss you around here. - I'll pack my things. 1196 01:20:02,852 --> 01:20:05,563 - I think it's for the best. - We'll find out! 1197 01:20:08,190 --> 01:20:09,483 Mrs. Wershba... 1198 01:20:12,361 --> 01:20:13,529 Everybody knew. 1199 01:20:22,580 --> 01:20:24,540 Natalie, did he say what it was about? 1200 01:20:24,623 --> 01:20:27,501 No. Just that he wanted to talk to you in his office. 1201 01:20:43,225 --> 01:20:44,351 Uh-oh! 1202 01:20:47,771 --> 01:20:51,233 The problem isn't simply that you've lost your sponsor. 1203 01:20:51,609 --> 01:20:53,944 With Alcoa, "See It Now" still loses money. 1204 01:20:54,028 --> 01:20:55,404 The fee is 50,000 dollars. 1205 01:20:55,487 --> 01:20:58,073 Last week's episode we did for less than 50,000 dollars. 1206 01:20:58,157 --> 01:21:00,075 Fred, you're speaking beyond your competence. 1207 01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:02,578 We'll certainly find another sponsor. 1208 01:21:02,661 --> 01:21:06,373 "64,000 Dollar Question" brings in over 80,000 in sponsors... 1209 01:21:06,457 --> 01:21:08,667 ...and it costs one-third of what you do. 1210 01:21:08,751 --> 01:21:11,753 Ed, I've got Tuesday night programming that's number one. 1211 01:21:11,837 --> 01:21:15,299 People want to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lesson. 1212 01:21:15,382 --> 01:21:18,302 - What do you want, Bill? - I don't want to get a stomachache... 1213 01:21:18,385 --> 01:21:20,888 ...every time you take on a controversial subject. 1214 01:21:22,598 --> 01:21:25,684 I'm afraid that's the price you have to be willing to pay. 1215 01:21:27,102 --> 01:21:30,063 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 1216 01:21:30,147 --> 01:21:32,566 The content of what we're doing is more important... 1217 01:21:32,649 --> 01:21:36,028 ...than what some guy in Cincinnati... - It's what you're doing, Ed. Not me. 1218 01:21:36,111 --> 01:21:37,237 Not Frank Stanton. You. 1219 01:21:37,612 --> 01:21:41,616 "CBS News", "See It Now" all belong to you, Bill. 1220 01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:42,826 You wouldn't know it. 1221 01:21:44,578 --> 01:21:49,374 - What is it you want? Credit? - I never censored a single program. 1222 01:21:50,333 --> 01:21:54,754 I hold on to affiliates who wanted entertainment from us. 1223 01:21:55,130 --> 01:21:56,923 I fight to keep the license... 1224 01:21:57,007 --> 01:22:00,385 ...with the very same politicians that you are bringing down... 1225 01:22:00,468 --> 01:22:05,515 ...and I never, never said no to you. Never. 1226 01:22:06,891 --> 01:22:10,020 I would argue that we have done very well by one another. 1227 01:22:11,146 --> 01:22:13,064 I would argue that this network... 1228 01:22:14,315 --> 01:22:17,360 ...is defined by what the news department has accomplished. 1229 01:22:17,444 --> 01:22:21,489 And I would also argue that never saying no is not the same as not censoring. 1230 01:22:21,573 --> 01:22:24,742 Really? You should teach journalism. You and Mr. Friendly. 1231 01:22:31,124 --> 01:22:32,458 Let me ask you this: 1232 01:22:34,168 --> 01:22:35,962 ...why didn't you correct McCarthy... 1233 01:22:36,045 --> 01:22:39,090 ...when he said that Alger Hiss was convicted of treason? 1234 01:22:39,299 --> 01:22:42,969 He was only convicted of perjury. You corrected everything else. 1235 01:22:43,636 --> 01:22:46,848 Did you not want the appearance of defending a known Communist? 1236 01:22:46,931 --> 01:22:49,767 I would argue that everyone censors, including you. 1237 01:22:53,771 --> 01:22:55,481 What do you want to do, Bill? 1238 01:22:59,485 --> 01:23:02,447 I'm taking your program from a half an hour to an hour. 1239 01:23:02,530 --> 01:23:06,033 And it won't be a weekly program and it won't be Tuesday nights. 1240 01:23:06,659 --> 01:23:09,036 - When would it be? - Sunday afternoons. 1241 01:23:12,540 --> 01:23:14,834 - How many episodes? - 5. 1242 01:23:17,587 --> 01:23:19,505 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1243 01:23:19,630 --> 01:23:22,008 I don't think it's what either of us wants. 1244 01:23:26,470 --> 01:23:27,847 You owe me 5 shows. 1245 01:23:37,857 --> 01:23:40,484 - You won't like the subject matter. - Probably not. 1246 01:23:40,651 --> 01:23:42,820 Fred, I'll need you for a moment. 1247 01:23:57,543 --> 01:23:59,878 - Thank you, Mary. - Goodbye, Mr. Friendly. 1248 01:24:06,093 --> 01:24:09,430 - He wants me to lay a few people off. - I'm sure he does. 1249 01:24:09,596 --> 01:24:12,641 Let's do our first show about the downfall of television. 1250 01:24:15,769 --> 01:24:19,189 - Senate's gonna vote to censure McCarthy tomorrow. - Probably. 1251 01:24:19,273 --> 01:24:22,484 - And then what happens? - He sits in the back row. - Right. 1252 01:24:22,818 --> 01:24:27,030 - They keep him in the Senate. They don't kick him out. - No, he stays. 1253 01:24:37,666 --> 01:24:39,876 Well, we might as well go down swinging. 1254 01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,800 Did you know the most trusted man in America is Milton Berle? 1255 01:24:46,883 --> 01:24:48,844 See, you should have worn a dress! 1256 01:24:50,554 --> 01:24:53,181 - How does a Scotch sound? - Scotch sounds good. 1257 01:24:54,224 --> 01:24:56,768 - Did you know Joe and Shirley were married? - Sure. 1258 01:24:56,852 --> 01:24:58,895 - Did everyone know? - Pretty much. 1259 01:24:58,979 --> 01:25:01,773 We are proud because from the beginning of this nation... 1260 01:25:02,232 --> 01:25:03,692 ...man can walk upright. 1261 01:25:06,403 --> 01:25:08,655 No matter who he is or who she is. 1262 01:25:09,531 --> 01:25:13,493 He can walk upright and meet his friend or his enemy. 1263 01:25:14,369 --> 01:25:17,414 And he does not fear that because that enemy... 1264 01:25:18,373 --> 01:25:20,542 ...may be in a position of great power... 1265 01:25:21,501 --> 01:25:26,297 ...that he can be suddenly thrown in jail... 1266 01:25:27,841 --> 01:25:31,344 ...to rot there without charges and with no recourse to justice. 1267 01:25:33,388 --> 01:25:36,474 We have the Habeas Corpus Act and we respect it. 1268 01:25:37,308 --> 01:25:40,520 I began by saying that our history will be what we make it. 1269 01:25:41,271 --> 01:25:42,814 If we go on as we are... 1270 01:25:43,106 --> 01:25:46,693 ...then history will take its revenge, and retribution will not limp... 1271 01:25:46,776 --> 01:25:48,194 ...in catching up with us. 1272 01:25:49,696 --> 01:25:53,700 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 1273 01:25:55,076 --> 01:25:58,538 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night... 1274 01:25:58,621 --> 01:26:00,873 ...the time normally occupied by Ed Sullivan... 1275 01:26:00,957 --> 01:26:04,752 ...is given over to a clinical survey on the state of American education. 1276 01:26:04,836 --> 01:26:08,256 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen... 1277 01:26:08,339 --> 01:26:12,635 ...is devoted to a thorough-going study of American policy in the Middle East. 1278 01:26:13,594 --> 01:26:17,139 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 1279 01:26:17,431 --> 01:26:20,643 Would the shareholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 1280 01:26:21,435 --> 01:26:22,436 Would anything happen... 1281 01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:26,315 ...other than a few million people would have received a little illumination... 1282 01:26:26,399 --> 01:26:29,652 ...on subjects that may well determine the future of this country... 1283 01:26:29,735 --> 01:26:32,238 ...and therefore the future of the corporations? 1284 01:26:32,989 --> 01:26:36,409 To those who say, "People wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested..." 1285 01:26:36,492 --> 01:26:39,495 "...they're too complacent, indifferent and insulated"... 1286 01:26:39,703 --> 01:26:43,582 ...I can only reply: There is, in one reporter's opinion... 1287 01:26:44,041 --> 01:26:46,669 ...considerable evidence against that contention. 1288 01:26:47,711 --> 01:26:50,714 But even if they are right, what have they got to lose? 1289 01:26:50,965 --> 01:26:52,550 Because if they are right... 1290 01:26:52,633 --> 01:26:54,677 ...and this instrument is good for nothing... 1291 01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,304 ...but to entertain, amuse and insulate... 1292 01:26:58,013 --> 01:26:59,890 ...then the tube is flickering now... 1293 01:26:59,974 --> 01:27:03,060 ...and we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 1294 01:27:04,019 --> 01:27:05,562 This instrument can teach. 1295 01:27:05,980 --> 01:27:08,482 It can illuminate and it can even inspire. 1296 01:27:09,149 --> 01:27:13,237 But it can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use it... 1297 01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:14,738 ...towards those ends. 1298 01:27:16,156 --> 01:27:18,742 Otherwise, it is merely wires and lights... 1299 01:27:19,451 --> 01:27:20,619 ...in a box. 1300 01:27:23,705 --> 01:27:26,166 Good night, and good luck. 1301 01:29:31,290 --> 01:29:34,210 Ripped by: SkyFury 1302 01:29:35,305 --> 01:29:41,789 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org