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Michael Jackson's LA Residence
June 25, 2009

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(FIRE PARAMEDIC SPEAKING)

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(ALBERTO ALVAREZ SPEAKING)

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I arrived at the hospital.

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Frank Dileo
JACKSON'S MANAGER 1984-89, 2009

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and the lady came out
maybe 20 minutes later, a nurse.

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I stood up. She said, ”Who are you?”

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"I'm Frank Dileo, I manage Michael.

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"Is he okay?"

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She hesitated, and I knew.

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She looked me in the eye and said,

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"No, he didn't make it."

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I had them put him in a special room
and clean him up.

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And that was the one nice thing,
is I got to be alone with him.

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And I got to kiss him on the forehead
and, you know, tell him what I felt.

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(BALLAD PLAYING)

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When I started seeing the news clips.

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David G-est
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND

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the day he died,

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my heart sank.

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Michael was the most exciting performer

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I had ever seen in my life.

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He was the ultimate pop superstar.

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He wanted, more than anything,
for his legacy to be

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he is the greatest performer of all time.

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And that's what he became.

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(SMOKEY ROBINSON SPEAKING)

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(TITO JACKSON SPEAKING)

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(FRANK CASCIO SPEAKING)

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(KATHERINE JACKSON SPEAKING)

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(MARTHA REEVES SPEAKING)

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(BOBBY TAYLOR SPEAKING)

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(J. RANDY TARABORRELLI SPEAKING)

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(THOMAS A. MESEREAU, JR SPEAKING)

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(WHITNEY HOUSTON SPEAKING)

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(MICKEY ROONEY SPEAKING)

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I grew up in East Chicago, Indiana.

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Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER.

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My mother and father divorced when
I was at a young age, about six years old.

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My mother was Baptist.

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And my sister and I sang
in the Baptist choir.

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It made us have a love for music.

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My father used to listen
to the country music all the time,

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and out of Chicago came a show,
on the radio, called Suppertime Frolic.

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And then on Saturdays,
he would listen to the Grand Ole Opry

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that came out of Nashville.

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Some of the people were Ernest Tubb,
that's ancient.

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Let me... Let the people know how old I am.
(LAUGHS)

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(COUNTRY SONG PLAYING)

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We had a club called the Sub-Debs.

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We used to give teenage parties
for all the kids around there,

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and that's where I met Joe.

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I think I was around 17 years old.

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He would always ask me for a dance
when the music was slow. (LAUGHS)

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He seemed very kind, very sweet.

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Joseph was in a group.

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Besides me leaving singing with my sister,
I started singing with him.

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And we would sing
and harmonise together a lot.

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Then the children came along,
and I kept singing.

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Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER

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2300 Jackson St, in that little house.

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I was the only one born in that house.

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We had two bedrooms in our home.

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And I and my sisters, Janet and La Toya,
slept in the living room.

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Living Room Gary, Indiana 2010.

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We had a couch that let out into a bed.

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My brothers slept in one room.

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Boy's Bedroom Gary, Indiana 2010.

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And that room had triple bunk beds.

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And they slept on the bunk beds.

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And then my parents slept in the other room.

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Parents' Bedroom GARY, INDIANA 2010.

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KATHERINE: I don 't know how I squeezed
all of us in that little house.

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Jackson Family Kitchen
Gary, Indiana 1960's.

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Having all my children when I was young
and having them so close together;

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Every time I would get pregnant,
I was afraid to tell Joe. (CHUCKLES)

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We didn't believe in abortion,
so that's why we got so many children.

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The children around our neighbourhood,
especially the boys,

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they were kind of bad, some of them.

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They would break in people's cars
and do things.

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And our children were never allowed
to go out at night or play with those kids.

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J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER.

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They weren't really social
with the rest of the neighbourhood.

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They clung to each other,
and that's how the Jacksons were raised.

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Poor? I mean, that was a way of life.

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We had plenty of food to eat.

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We were like all the other kids in the area.

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DAVID GEST: Michael never thought
he was poor when he was young,

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because he did not know what poor was.

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David G-est
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND.

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He thought
everyone lived the way his family did.

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KATHERINE: We had
a rickety washing machine.

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We weren't able to buy a new one.

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Whenever it washed, it would creek.
You Know, make noises...

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(IMITATES CREAKING NOISES)

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Something like that.

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And Michael, I guess,
was about 11 or 12 months old.

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He was just dancing
to the rhythm of the washing machine.

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And I knew then that he had a lot of rhythm.

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Michael would always do funny things,
anything for a laugh.

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Anything for a laugh.

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La Toya was always very persnickety
about the way she kept her room.

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And she had this beautiful...

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I think it was a white satin bedspread
that she had just gotten.

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Michael took some invisible ink

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and he spread it all over the bedspread,
squirted it all over.

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And then he had her come in
and look at it. She was livid.

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Michael used to love telling me stories
about Gary, Indiana,

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especially how he would have a candy store,

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and he would sell candy
to all the neighbours,

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and to his brothers.

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And he never made any money doing it,

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but he showed signs of being
an entrepreneur at a very young age.

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As kids, we had a lot of fun.

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Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER.

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You know, just playing around
in the neighbourhood.

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Playing practical jokes, throwing balloons
out the oar windows at bus stops,

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singing and dancing to every song
that came on the radio.

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Michael would use
some of the money from his candy store

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to go and buy 45s,

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because in those days,
that's what kids bought, 45s.

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And if you were lucky, you'd buy an LP.

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But he started listening strongly
to James Brown

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from the time he was about five years old.

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He had a great taste for real R&B,

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gritty R&B, like Wilson Pickett,

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the Dells,

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great singers like Levi Stubbs.

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We sang country songs
and we sang folk songs.

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And then
they started singing the Temptations

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when we got a television.

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My father had a guitar
that he Kept locked in the closet.

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One day, he didn't lock the closet
and I started playing that thing.

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I learnt every song on the radio
and made my brothers sing with me.

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KATHERINE: Joseph had warned them,
"Don't play my guitar; now. ”.

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And so, Tito took it out and played it,
and a string broke.

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There was no way of hiding
that he hadn't had his guitar.

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He punished him for it.

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Then he said, "Let me hear you play."

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And Tito played for him.

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Joe just said nothing else to him,
"You can play it if you want to."

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Tito had been watching his father
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But he would come to my house
and he and I would play.

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Reynaud Jones
NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA.

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And I would play a little something
on my guitar, and then show him,

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and then give my guitar to him.

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And then he'd try to play it.

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And so we went back and forth like that.

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There was a guy across the street
who had one snare drum,

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and his name was Milford Hite.

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Milford Hite
NEIGHBOUR - GARY, INDIANA.

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Reynaud said,
"Milford, come over with your drum

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"and let's see if we can, you know,
start a little group together."

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We played for a while
and then Jackie Jackson came oven.

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Okay.

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Then after Jackie came in, Jermaine came.

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TITO: Michael and Marlon were just little kids.

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And we used to tell them to be quiet,
"Get out of here.”.

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We used to kick them out the room.

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And they used to beg to be in the group.

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And we just said,
"Your little brother wants to be in the..."

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You know, you just said, "No, get out of here.
This is big boy stuff."

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The school was giving a programme
and all the parents were invited.

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And Michael was singing solo,
Climb Every Mountain.

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And so Joe's father wanted to go also,
so he could hear him.

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And Michael starts singing.

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I looked around, Joe's father was crying.

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I guess he couldn't imagine

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that a 5-year-old kid can keep harmony
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But that's what happened.

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TITO: We heard him sing
and we were so taken by that.

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We couldn't believe it
so we rushed him home,

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immediately took him to the room.

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And he was in the group, that fast.

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The big thing back then was winning
the Roosevelt High School talent show.

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G-EST: In the '50s and the '60s,

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talent shows were the key
to getting a career and a record deal.

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And that's what they dreamed of.

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Initially, Michael was not our lead singer.

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It was Jermaine was our lead singer
when we made it to the talent snow.

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They came to me and asked me
if I would come over.

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Robert Hite
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and give them some pointers
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I actually decided that we were going
to present the song My Girl,

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because it was a song
that I had become very fond of.

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Each person would get a chance
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and showcase what they could do.

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Milford actually sang My Girl along
with them.

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Reynaud was singing My Girl.

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And all of a sudden we said,
"Michael, sing My Girl."

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(CHUCKLING) And he hit it, perfect pitch.

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And that was it.

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That was our secret weapon, quite honestly.

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(UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING)

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When Michael came in,
the crowd just stood up.

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(CHUCKLING)

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They actually broke a couple of chairs
and seats in the auditorium.

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It was such a surprise.

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And that's when everybody recognised
the kind of talent that was there.

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MILFORD: We wanted to win and we won.

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It was a really happy moment.

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It was just... 'Cause that was the thing to win,
Roosevelt's talent show.

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We win a Roosevelt's talent show,
it's like signing a contract with Motown.

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(CHUCKLES)

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ROBERT: After the talent show ended,

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Joe decided that Reynaud and Milford
weren't going to be rehearsing with them.

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And that's what kind of split everything off.

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TARABORRELLI: Joseph was, in many ways,
a frustrated musician.

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He had a band called the Falcons.

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And I think to some extent
he wanted to live vicariously

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through the success, the possible success,
of his children as musicians.

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But Joseph is a very complicated person,

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and it's not easy to paint Joseph
with a wide brushstroke.

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Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS.

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Joe was a tyrant to them.

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He was mean to them. He was evil to them.

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Michael was very afraid of Joe,

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and a lot of times,
he would stay over at my house,

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just to get away from Joe,

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because he felt Joe had punished him
too much when he was younger.

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He had taken a strap
and spanked him a lot of times.

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And he felt it was too harsh.

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He was a very strong, and often,
as they would tell it, violent disciplinarian.

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Michael, Janet and Randy,
and a little bit of Marlon,

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I think they got easy street,
'cause they were the babies.

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The ones who really got the spankings
in my family, if I remember correctly,

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and I'm pretty sure I do,

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was myself Jermaine and Jackie,
the older guys.

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I'm sort of like five years older than Michael.

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So he was more of one of the little guys
that didn't get it the way the big guys did.

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I think in later life,

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he began to respect Joe more,

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because he saw
that he wanted his kids to be somebody.

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RONALD JACKSON:
My uncle worked in the steel mill.

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He never wanted his kids to do what he did.
He wanted them to be better.

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Ronald & Keith Jackson
JACKSON'S FIRST COUSINS

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I seen the steel mill, and I'm gonna tell you...

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- It's like working for Satan...
- Do not work there...

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because it's 2,000 degrees out there,
and it's very dangerous.

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So, his vision, I respect.

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He wanted them to have a better opportunity,
and to do something they love doing.

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TAYLOR: I think Joe did the right thing
because none of his kids went to prison.

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None of his kids were out
on the street using dope.

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TITO: I think I was raised right.

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I think my father did a brilliant job
to take us from Gary, Indiana,

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which is a very poverty-stricken town,

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and not too many people get out of there
and make something of themselves,

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and he had a dream, and he stuck with it.

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And he knew how to get there
and he got us there.

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It's okay to have fun sometimes
but you have to prepare yourself,

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because your adulthood
is gonna be a lot longer than your childhood.

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And if you didn't prepare for it,
you're gonna be on The Late Show.

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So I think my father prepared his sons
for the future, to be men.

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We were men at a very young age.

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TARABORRELLI: I remember asking Michael,
”Why do you call him Joseph?”.

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And it was really clear,
the way Michael explained it,

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that they thought of him as Joseph.

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They didn't really think of him as their father;
They thought of him as Joseph.

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And I thought that was very sad.

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That had to hurt even Joseph,

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to know that his children
felt that way about him,

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but that was the way he designed it.

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Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER.

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The world now talks
about how mean and evil he is.

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He's not that way.

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He's just a firm person.

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Michael's very close to my mother,
and she was like a comfort to him, I think.

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KATHERINE: Michael and I had
a very special bond.

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Michael used to always tell me
that he was so much like me.

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And then I used to tell him, I said,

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"I can see myself in you,
but I don't want you to be like me,"

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because I thought I was too easy-going,

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trust people too much,

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and that's exactly how Michael is.

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There was a mystical connection
that made them almost, at times, one.

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Michael and Katherine, two peas in a pod.

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He was closer to no one else except for her.

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TARABORRELLI: Katherine Jackson
was golden where Michael was concerned,

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throughout his entire lifetime.

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She always cared.

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When he went through stages of acne,
she knew how to handle him.

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TARABORRELLI: It was almost
as if they were

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aligned with each other against the world.

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And he could always go to Katherine
for anything.

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And she would be there for him, 100%.

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They had been working on the music
for a long time,

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and they wanted to be signed to a label.

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TITO: We would go to school in the morning.

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Then after school,
we'd get home about 3:00, 3:30.

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And my father'd have all the mics set up
and amps on standby.

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And we had enough time
to just drop our books,

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and we would practise, like, four hours,

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until about 7:00 or 8:00.

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And after that,

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we would get ready
to go to Chicago or somewhere,

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and go do an engagement.

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We would play for 45 minutes,

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and take 15 minutes off
and do our homework.

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By the time we was through with our day,
it was about 2:30 in the morning.

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And we'd drive back from Chicago to Gary,
get home about 3:00, 4:00 in the morning,

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then go to school the next day.

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And that's what life was for us
for many years, a lot of work.

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MICHAEL: We would perform all night,
tell you the truth, every day.

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Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli.

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We would be dancing, doing James Brown,

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and a lot of people throwing money on stage,
and standing ovations.

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And then, soon as we drove home,
we'd get up and go to school.

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And we couldn't keep our pants up
'cause we had so much money in 'em.

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I mean, change just broke 'em.

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And there was this man's house,
who used to sell candy

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we used to stop there and just load up,
eat candy for days.

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They had a studio at home
and they had these big mirrors and stuff.

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And they would say, "Do it again,
do it again, do it again, do it again."

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And next thing you know,
seven, eight, nine hours go by,

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but they were looking for perfection.

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Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1967-77.

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They were focused,
that's what I liked about them.

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They were serious about doing it,
and it was about perfection.

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Johnny Jackson and Ronnie Rancifer
were part of the early Jackson 5.

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They were not named members

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but they were a part of the group,
and an integral part of the group.

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Beck then, we didn't have
the greatest instruments in the world.

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Other big name groups,
they would have big PAS and all that.

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Jacksons didn't have that,
but what they had was soul.

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See... And soul goes a long way.

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You can have $10 jillion
worth of equipment, baby,

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but if you ain't got no soul,
you might as well stay home. (CHUCKLES)

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In 1967 the Jackson 5 signed for local
record label, Steeltown Records.

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They released two songs on the label;
'Big Boy'

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and 'We Don't Have To Be Over 21
(To Fall In Love).

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Neither appeared on any Billboard Chart.

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One day, I was setting up a VIP section
for Bobby Taylor,

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all of a sudden, I hear the people clapping
and hollering...

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Weldon Arthur McDougal III - A & R
EXECUTIVE, MOTOWN RECORDS 1969-80.

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And so I come out of the office and I look
and there was the Jackson 5.

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Well, they are pretty good.

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Joe Jackson said,
"Listen, man, we wanna be on Motown."

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And I said,
"Man, I can't get nobody on the label."

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And he said, "Well, do you know anybody
you could introduce me to at Motown?"

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I was so excited about them,

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I told Bobby Taylor that Thursday
about them.

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He said, "Okay, I'll look at 'em."

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I met them in 1968, at the Regal Theater.

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I was headlining the show.

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They were the opening act,

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and I was introduced to them
by the promoter.

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Berry Gordy, President of Motown,
gave him permission

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to produce any act that he wanted
and they would listen to it.

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He, at that time, had a group
called Bobby Taylor and the Vancouvers.

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They had records on the radio
that were going really well and stuff.

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(R&B SONG PLAYING)

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I liked the way he sang, 'cause he was
a star vocalist in his own right.

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He knew how to do it, when to do it,
why to do it, and why not to do it.

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I saw this little kid spinning and stuff,
I said, "Dang.

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"Send him upstairs when they finish,
I want to talk to this kid."

356
00:23:49,346 --> 00:23:52,182
Never thought
about recording him at that time.

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I said, "This little guy,
I wanna see what's happening."

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He was a kid that would worry you, bug you,
until you had to do something with him.

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Instead of him going back
to Gary, Indiana, from Chicago

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every night, he'd go and ask Joseph
if he could stay with me,

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and spend a night at the hotel with me.

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So he stayed in my face for 10 straight days,

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from the time
that we woke up in the morning,

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and I 'd take and feed this kid.

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00:24:24,172 --> 00:24:29,094
It was pure. This kid wanted what he got.

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He was a workaholic.

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Bobby Taylor worked hard.

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I mean, I can't say it enough.
I want people to know.

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00:24:37,936 --> 00:24:41,815
He worked harder on them
than he did with the Vancouvers.

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My motivation was Michael.

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I just figured this kid here,
he's an adult in kid's clothing.

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That was my only motivation.

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Everybody around here knew
that Michael Jackson was "it."

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The world just didn't know it.

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00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:03,169
Bobby was pushing.

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00:25:03,253 --> 00:25:04,754
When I say he was pushing,

377
00:25:04,879 --> 00:25:09,467
the next time I seen Bobby
or I seen the group,

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he had called me and said
he's working at the Apollo.

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And come over to the Apollo,
he got a surprise for me.

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And when I went to the Apollo,
the Jackson 5 was on the bill.

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Apollo Theater Harlem, New York City.

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The Apollo was known
as the greatest R&B showroom in the world,

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because many albums
had been made from there,

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James Brown, Live at the Apollo.

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00:25:32,824 --> 00:25:35,201
Jackie Wilson played the Apollo.

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00:25:35,285 --> 00:25:37,746
Gladys Knight and the Pips
played the Apollo.

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00:25:37,829 --> 00:25:39,956
Smokey Robinson and the Miracles.

388
00:25:40,290 --> 00:25:43,543
Everybody who played the Apollo was a star.

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And everybody
who was underneath them on a bill

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was trying to gain that national fame.

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And if you make it there,
you're assured of stardom

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because people knew
that you've got something very special.

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It was a very tough audience.

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00:26:01,311 --> 00:26:04,939
And if they did not like you,
and you were not a good live act,

395
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even though you may have a hit record,
they'd boo you off the stage.

396
00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:12,739
The Jackson 5 tore that place up.

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00:26:12,822 --> 00:26:17,327
I mean, I've never seen an act
that nobody never heard of,

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didn't have a record,

399
00:26:19,037 --> 00:26:22,290
and, I mean,
the people kept hollering, "Jackson 5!"

400
00:26:22,373 --> 00:26:27,837
On the same show was the 5 Stairsteps,
and they were young kids, too,

401
00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:31,841
or they were about the same age
as the Jackson 5.

402
00:26:32,217 --> 00:26:34,636
And they were complaining,

403
00:26:34,844 --> 00:26:38,056
they wanted to get the Jackson 5
off of the show

404
00:26:38,181 --> 00:26:41,935
because every time they went on,
people just hollered,

405
00:26:42,018 --> 00:26:44,896
"Jackson 5! Jackson 5! Jackson 5!”.

406
00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,691
And I said,
"Wow! I ain't never seen nothing like this."

407
00:26:52,862 --> 00:26:53,863
Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS.

408
00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:57,700
My very first time that I saw Michael Jackson
was at the Apollo Theater in New York.

409
00:27:05,041 --> 00:27:09,254
He and his family were a self-contained act,
which was very unusual.

410
00:27:09,671 --> 00:27:13,007
And yet there was a guitarist in the group
and a bassist in the group,

411
00:27:13,091 --> 00:27:15,176
and keyboard and drums.

412
00:27:22,433 --> 00:27:23,935
They'd won a contest.

413
00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:27,438
They'd won
at the Apollo Theater Amateur Night,

414
00:27:27,564 --> 00:27:31,901
and their prize was to open the show
for the great James Brown.

415
00:27:32,026 --> 00:27:34,737
Well, he broke out into this James Brown,
I Got the Feelin',

416
00:27:34,863 --> 00:27:38,408
and doing his little toes and dancing
and looking like James,

417
00:27:38,533 --> 00:27:40,243
if James were a wind-up toy.

418
00:27:40,535 --> 00:27:42,412
And it was amazing.

419
00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:43,663
Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER.

420
00:27:43,746 --> 00:27:46,457
He would perform and do the moves
and routine that everyone else was doing.

421
00:27:46,583 --> 00:27:50,545
He used to do Fred Astaire
and James Cagney.

422
00:27:50,628 --> 00:27:54,299
Then all of a sudden, he would add
a little bit of something in there, different.

423
00:27:54,424 --> 00:27:56,885
And that was him feeling what he was doing.

424
00:27:57,635 --> 00:28:00,680
He excited me. I saw all of this in him.

425
00:28:00,763 --> 00:28:03,099
I saw things that he could do that I couldn't.

426
00:28:04,267 --> 00:28:07,061
He had the makings of a great singer.

427
00:28:07,228 --> 00:28:10,565
Michael had universal appeal
back when he was real young.

428
00:28:10,648 --> 00:28:14,027
I mean, we weren't really into marketing
or anything like that,

429
00:28:14,110 --> 00:28:15,862
but it was already there.

430
00:28:15,945 --> 00:28:18,740
I think the word for it,
the phraseology, would be,

431
00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:23,411
"A diamond in the rough,"
without very many edges to buff off.

432
00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:30,168
With the rest of the brothers, now,

433
00:28:30,585 --> 00:28:32,086
Jermaine stuttered.

434
00:28:32,337 --> 00:28:34,839
And he always thought
that if he stuttered when he talked,

435
00:28:34,964 --> 00:28:36,257
that he would do it when he sang.

436
00:28:37,091 --> 00:28:39,969
So I had to push Jermaine more than I had
to push anyone else.

437
00:28:40,136 --> 00:28:44,307
And that's all I used,
Jermaine, Michael and Jackie.

438
00:28:44,641 --> 00:28:47,185
I did not use Marlon, did not use Tito.

439
00:28:47,477 --> 00:28:49,437
They couldn't sing, right?

440
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,148
And I told them. "Learn. Listen and learn."

441
00:28:52,315 --> 00:28:55,318
The complete group
was not just those five boys.

442
00:28:55,818 --> 00:28:58,488
The complete group
had two other ones with them,

443
00:28:58,696 --> 00:29:00,698
one was Johnny Jackson, the drummer,

444
00:29:00,823 --> 00:29:03,368
one was Ronnie Rancifer; the pianist,

445
00:29:03,952 --> 00:29:06,955
which made the music for the group.

446
00:29:07,038 --> 00:29:09,624
Without them,
there wouldn't have been this Jackson 5.

447
00:29:11,793 --> 00:29:14,837
Every producer
has their own method to the madness,

448
00:29:14,963 --> 00:29:17,006
and Bobby's was pretty cool.

449
00:29:17,131 --> 00:29:19,926
He had the old-school roughness on that,
you know.

450
00:29:20,009 --> 00:29:22,053
You have to have
a certain kind of roughness,

451
00:29:22,178 --> 00:29:23,554
a certain kind of discipline.

452
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,476
He felt Michael had something so special,
and he told that to him.

453
00:29:29,686 --> 00:29:30,728
But he said,

454
00:29:30,853 --> 00:29:35,817
"Do not think
just me telling you makes it happen.

455
00:29:36,567 --> 00:29:38,528
"It does not.

456
00:29:38,653 --> 00:29:43,658
"You've gotta work and continue to work
for what you achieve.

457
00:29:43,741 --> 00:29:45,535
"It will never be easy."

458
00:29:45,868 --> 00:29:48,997
He wasn't always patient.

459
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,458
He wasn't always saying things
that you wanna hear,

460
00:29:52,542 --> 00:29:54,210
or saying it right.

461
00:29:54,335 --> 00:29:59,882
But what he said and what he was doing
was just trying to make them stars.

462
00:30:00,508 --> 00:30:04,929
Our last day at the Regal Theater

463
00:30:05,054 --> 00:30:07,307
is when I went to Joe, I said,

464
00:30:07,390 --> 00:30:10,727
"Say now, why don't you let me
put these kids at Motown?"

465
00:30:13,396 --> 00:30:16,899
And Joe said those words to me,
"Man, I thought you'd never ask."

466
00:30:22,071 --> 00:30:23,114
We were in New York City.

467
00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:24,240
Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER.

468
00:30:24,365 --> 00:30:27,827
And we had just finished
performing with James Brown.

469
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:29,579
We were opening up for him.

470
00:30:30,747 --> 00:30:33,583
Bobby Taylor had been begging Berry
to check us out.

471
00:30:34,083 --> 00:30:35,293
Berry Gordy - FOUNDER,
MOTOWN RECORD CORPORATION.

472
00:30:35,418 --> 00:30:38,212
And he wouldn't do it
because he had another kid on his label.

473
00:30:38,755 --> 00:30:43,384
And he was catching a lot of flak
from the state

474
00:30:43,468 --> 00:30:47,138
about working this kid who's underage.

475
00:30:47,263 --> 00:30:51,851
Berry would say, "l never wanna have
anything to do with kids in this business.

476
00:30:51,934 --> 00:30:52,977
"It's too much problems.

477
00:30:53,102 --> 00:30:56,898
"I can't even handle one.
What am I gonna do with five?"

478
00:30:56,981 --> 00:30:59,233
And the one kid was little Stevie Wonder.

479
00:31:01,444 --> 00:31:03,988
I drove Michael, Marlon,

480
00:31:05,281 --> 00:31:08,242
Tommy Chong, who was in my band,
from Cheech and Chong,

481
00:31:08,326 --> 00:31:10,745
from Chicago to Detroit.

482
00:31:10,828 --> 00:31:13,456
I take Michael directly to Motown.

483
00:31:13,956 --> 00:31:17,293
So I said, "Berry, I've got these kids here

484
00:31:17,418 --> 00:31:20,296
"and they're number one coming
out of the block."

485
00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:22,924
I said, "The lead singer's eight.

486
00:31:23,466 --> 00:31:25,676
”He can out-dance anybody you ever saw.

487
00:31:25,802 --> 00:31:27,345
"Jackie Wilson, James Brown.

488
00:31:27,470 --> 00:31:32,558
"If you close your eyes and listen to him
after I finish teaching him,

489
00:31:32,642 --> 00:31:34,310
"the best singer you ever heard in your life."

490
00:31:34,435 --> 00:31:40,650
It was not easy to get a children's group
signed to Motown.

491
00:31:41,150 --> 00:31:45,446
And Bobby Taylor knew
that when he called Berry

492
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:49,617
and said, "I've got something so special,
you gotta see it,"

493
00:31:50,868 --> 00:31:53,329
that Berry would jump once he did.

494
00:31:53,496 --> 00:31:58,167
Because he would not have taken them
to Berry to waste his time.

495
00:31:59,502 --> 00:32:05,842
TAYLOR: The next morning, Berry Gordy
called me from Los Angeles, and he says,

496
00:32:05,967 --> 00:32:08,010
”l want you to bring them out here.”.

497
00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:11,806
That's how they got to Motown.

498
00:32:18,521 --> 00:32:20,314
Going to California,
the happiest day of my life.

499
00:32:20,398 --> 00:32:21,482
Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER.

500
00:32:24,193 --> 00:32:28,197
Joseph had promised me that one day
we would go to California.

501
00:32:29,532 --> 00:32:32,118
I'd tell him, "No,"
I said, "Your promise came true,

502
00:32:32,201 --> 00:32:34,996
"but you didn't bring me there,
the children did." (CHUCKLES)

503
00:32:39,208 --> 00:32:42,003
Berry Gordy was having a party
for Diana Ross.

504
00:32:42,086 --> 00:32:43,629
It was her birthday.

505
00:32:43,713 --> 00:32:47,383
So he asked us to perform
at this party for Diana,

506
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:49,760
and of course we did.

507
00:32:49,886 --> 00:32:54,765
And at that party was, like, the Temptations,
Smokey the Vandellas,

508
00:32:54,891 --> 00:32:58,102
the Supremes, Four Tops.

509
00:32:58,227 --> 00:33:01,314
And here we are performing
their songs to them.

510
00:33:01,397 --> 00:33:02,732
So we was quite nervous.

511
00:33:03,608 --> 00:33:04,692
Dionne Warwick SINGER

512
00:33:04,775 --> 00:33:08,571
I first met Michael, he was,
I think he was 10 years old.

513
00:33:08,696 --> 00:33:10,698
He was flown out with his brothers

514
00:33:10,781 --> 00:33:13,367
to sing for Berry Gordy, Jr.

515
00:33:14,076 --> 00:33:17,580
Berry had invited a bunch of people
up to his home.

516
00:33:17,705 --> 00:33:22,084
This little bitty thing came in
and he sat down next to me

517
00:33:22,919 --> 00:33:25,588
and he looked at me and he says,
"And who are you?"

518
00:33:25,713 --> 00:33:28,424
I said, ”I'm Dionne Warwick. Who are you?”

519
00:33:29,091 --> 00:33:30,718
”I'm Michael Jackson. ”

520
00:33:30,801 --> 00:33:35,223
I said, "Nice to know you, Michael Jackson.
And what do you do, Michael Jackson?"

521
00:33:35,765 --> 00:33:38,059
He says, "Oh, I sing."

522
00:33:38,893 --> 00:33:42,438
I said, "You sing? Can you sing?"

523
00:33:42,897 --> 00:33:45,107
He said, "Yes, I can sing."

524
00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:49,237
I mean, little feisty, beautiful young boy.

525
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,573
I said, "Well, that's what We're here for.
We're gonna see if you can sing."

526
00:33:52,657 --> 00:33:54,283
(UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING)

527
00:34:00,623 --> 00:34:03,543
Watching them perform was excitement.

528
00:34:03,626 --> 00:34:04,669
Brenda Holloway ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS.

529
00:34:04,794 --> 00:34:06,963
Everyone in the group was an individual.

530
00:34:10,007 --> 00:34:13,135
And I feel that every one of them
could have gone on their own.

531
00:34:13,261 --> 00:34:14,804
But Michael was the star.

532
00:34:21,852 --> 00:34:26,232
SMOKEY ROBINSON: They came in
(CHUCKLES) and they sang a few songs.

533
00:34:26,315 --> 00:34:28,401
They sang a couple songs
by James Brown, you know,

534
00:34:28,484 --> 00:34:29,527
Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS

535
00:34:29,652 --> 00:34:35,157
and Michael did the James Brown dances,
and he really did them.

536
00:34:35,283 --> 00:34:39,036
He's 10 years old and he was dancing
like he was about 30.

537
00:34:39,161 --> 00:34:43,833
How in the world could this little boy,
and he was a kid,

538
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:45,293
be so talented?

539
00:34:45,376 --> 00:34:47,712
That's what everybody went away
talking about.

540
00:34:52,717 --> 00:34:56,095
I think all of us
Motown artists were astonished.

541
00:34:56,178 --> 00:34:57,221
Kim Weston ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS

542
00:34:57,346 --> 00:35:01,142
because here's a kid that, you know,
seemed to have no fear.

543
00:35:01,225 --> 00:35:07,356
You know, when the music nit, he was ready,
you know, or ready before the music nit.

544
00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:09,567
He said,
"I want you to Know something, too."

545
00:35:09,692 --> 00:35:10,943
I Said, "What's that?"

546
00:35:11,027 --> 00:35:14,405
"You sang a song about my name, Michael."

547
00:35:15,531 --> 00:35:18,826
I said, "Yeah
You think that song was for you'?"

548
00:35:20,369 --> 00:35:22,163
He said, "Wasn't it?"

549
00:35:22,246 --> 00:35:23,539
(LAUGHS)

550
00:35:24,498 --> 00:35:28,085
He was an adorable child.
It was a wonderful meeting.

551
00:35:28,836 --> 00:35:31,047
They loved it. They enjoyed it.

552
00:35:31,422 --> 00:35:33,215
That was our audition.

553
00:35:34,425 --> 00:35:37,595
So I'm very proud of that moment in our life.

554
00:35:42,224 --> 00:35:44,185
There was another world about to open.

555
00:35:44,268 --> 00:35:45,311
David G-est
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND

556
00:35:45,394 --> 00:35:47,688
and he was ready to delve into it.

557
00:35:47,897 --> 00:35:49,148
Marvin Gaye.

558
00:35:49,231 --> 00:35:50,358
Junior Walker.

559
00:35:50,441 --> 00:35:52,151
When you went to Motown, it was...
Everyone was there.

560
00:35:52,234 --> 00:35:53,653
The Isley Brothers.

561
00:35:53,736 --> 00:35:54,779
Kim Weston.

562
00:35:54,904 --> 00:35:55,988
Edwin Starr.

563
00:35:56,072 --> 00:35:57,114
Jimmy Ruffin.

564
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,743
It was like Disneyland. You saw Smokey,
you saw Mary, you saw Diana Ross.

565
00:36:00,868 --> 00:36:04,747
But everybody was trying
to perfect their artistry.

566
00:36:04,872 --> 00:36:07,208
The feeling at Motown was it was a family,
a musical family.

567
00:36:07,291 --> 00:36:08,542
Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford.

568
00:36:08,626 --> 00:36:09,794
SINGERS / SONGWRITERS,
'ASHFORD & SIMPSON'

569
00:36:09,919 --> 00:36:13,589
And we all were a part of excellence
and greatness, musical greatness.

570
00:36:13,714 --> 00:36:16,759
And we so were fans of each other's work,

571
00:36:16,884 --> 00:36:20,096
so that when we saw each other;
It was just instant love.

572
00:36:20,221 --> 00:36:23,974
We got, "We knew what you were doing.
I heard what you're working on."

573
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:26,727
And it just... We kept pushing each other.

574
00:36:26,936 --> 00:36:29,063
When you start working
with the best in the business.

575
00:36:29,146 --> 00:36:30,564
Russell Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS'

576
00:36:30,648 --> 00:36:32,358
that are teaching you how to dance,
how to play this

577
00:36:32,441 --> 00:36:35,778
and teaching you now to sing this,
putting you at the piano,

578
00:36:35,903 --> 00:36:40,324
vocal coaches, dancing coaches,
people who teach you how to talk.

579
00:36:40,449 --> 00:36:43,577
When you work with that from the time
that you're a young man,

580
00:36:43,744 --> 00:36:46,497
you grow up with so much influence.

581
00:36:46,664 --> 00:36:49,291
So it wasn't just the fact
that Michael Jackson

582
00:36:49,417 --> 00:36:53,295
was born with so much great talent.
He always had it around him.

583
00:36:58,592 --> 00:37:00,594
Michael Jackson studied all the artists,
all the great artists.

584
00:37:00,678 --> 00:37:01,762
Jimmy Ruffin ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS.

585
00:37:04,181 --> 00:37:06,851
He studied me, he studied Marvin Gaye,
he studied Stevie Wonder.

586
00:37:06,976 --> 00:37:08,269
He studied everybody.

587
00:37:08,352 --> 00:37:13,023
We were the best in the country at the time.

588
00:37:18,446 --> 00:37:21,532
The first time I saw them perform
was in San Francisco

589
00:37:21,657 --> 00:37:23,451
and I was like, "Wow."

590
00:37:23,534 --> 00:37:25,870
It was like, "There's nobody that good."

591
00:37:31,542 --> 00:37:34,837
Berry Gordy was like,
"Keep your cards close to your chest.

592
00:37:35,296 --> 00:37:37,465
"Don't let people know what you're thinking.

593
00:37:38,174 --> 00:37:41,469
"Don't let the artists Know
how much people like 'em."

594
00:37:42,011 --> 00:37:43,721
He was a shrewd guy.

595
00:37:46,515 --> 00:37:51,479
Berry looked after every aspect
of an artist's career.

596
00:37:51,562 --> 00:37:55,941
Now, some may complain today
that they didn't get paid enough royalties

597
00:37:56,025 --> 00:37:59,820
and they never received
a lot of their publishing.

598
00:37:59,904 --> 00:38:01,489
But I 'll tell you something.

599
00:38:02,031 --> 00:38:05,743
Berry Gordy made these artists.

600
00:38:06,202 --> 00:38:07,912
Everybody, I think,
had different relationships with Berry.

601
00:38:08,037 --> 00:38:09,038
Abdul 'Duke' Fakir
ARTIST, 'THE FOUR TOPS'.

602
00:38:09,163 --> 00:38:11,999
We had a great relationship with Berry
and we still do.

603
00:38:12,082 --> 00:38:16,212
He gave us... He promised us things
that he made come true,

604
00:38:16,337 --> 00:38:21,175
that he couldn't put in the contract.
But he promised them and kept his word.

605
00:38:21,258 --> 00:38:27,515
What he saw in the Jackson 5
was a children's group that could transcend

606
00:38:28,015 --> 00:38:32,061
every age group.
And he nurtured their talents.

607
00:38:32,728 --> 00:38:34,605
He knew he had something special.

608
00:38:35,064 --> 00:38:38,067
I made him sit in while I was doing the music.

609
00:38:38,192 --> 00:38:39,235
Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS

610
00:38:39,860 --> 00:38:41,612
that they had to work with.

611
00:38:41,946 --> 00:38:46,283
They were with me 20 hours a day.

612
00:38:46,408 --> 00:38:49,286
Being attentive, if I sew somebody sleeping,

613
00:38:49,411 --> 00:38:51,539
then I would send them back to the house

614
00:38:51,622 --> 00:38:53,791
and tell them,
"l don't wanna see you for a week."

615
00:38:53,916 --> 00:38:56,418
They worked hard, they really worked hard.

616
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,883
Michael now would stay
over at Diana Ross's house and rehearse.

617
00:39:03,092 --> 00:39:05,803
He really liked Diana Ross
and she liked him.

618
00:39:06,262 --> 00:39:08,597
HOLLOWAY: Diana Ross was
showing him off.

619
00:39:08,764 --> 00:39:11,725
She just like...
She was the one that discovered him

620
00:39:11,809 --> 00:39:16,897
and later on I found out that Bobby Taylor
actually discovered him.

621
00:39:18,607 --> 00:39:19,817
TITO: I think we were just kids.

622
00:39:19,942 --> 00:39:23,946
We didn't realise
all the great accomplishments

623
00:39:24,071 --> 00:39:25,781
that we had achieved.

624
00:39:25,906 --> 00:39:31,203
Seeing Hollywood and playing
with Diana Ross. I mean, we were in heaven.

625
00:39:31,287 --> 00:39:34,957
Just those things alone was priceless to us.

626
00:39:35,124 --> 00:39:37,626
Michael told me when he came to LA,

627
00:39:37,751 --> 00:39:40,629
it was like his whole world had changed.

628
00:39:41,130 --> 00:39:46,468
He could buy as much candy as he wanted
because nobody would say no to him.

629
00:39:46,969 --> 00:39:49,138
(R&B SONG PLAYING)

630
00:39:53,475 --> 00:39:56,061
Michael and I went to see the Four Tops,

631
00:39:56,145 --> 00:40:01,942
it was around 1 971 or '72.

632
00:40:06,113 --> 00:40:08,198
Michael and David just came
to the dressing room

633
00:40:08,324 --> 00:40:10,701
and in the dressing room
was also Stevie Wonder.

634
00:40:11,493 --> 00:40:15,456
GEST: I said to Levi Stubbs,
”You're brilliant. I love your voice.”.

635
00:40:15,539 --> 00:40:19,460
And Michael looked at him and said,
"l learned everything from you."

636
00:40:19,543 --> 00:40:21,837
And he was out off. Stevie said, "What?"

637
00:40:22,046 --> 00:40:24,924
And he grabbed Michael
and flung him up against the wall...

638
00:40:25,007 --> 00:40:27,551
And said,
"You learned everything from who?"

639
00:40:27,676 --> 00:40:29,720
And he goes, "You, Stevie, you."

640
00:40:29,845 --> 00:40:32,806
(LAUGHS) It was so funny. It was so funny.

641
00:40:33,307 --> 00:40:35,184
Levi and I, we never forgot that.

642
00:40:37,144 --> 00:40:40,397
Bobby Taylor and I would take
Michael to the golf course with us.

643
00:40:40,522 --> 00:40:43,776
He had never even picked up
a golf club in his life.

644
00:40:43,859 --> 00:40:46,528
Yet, he was our greatest golf critic.

645
00:40:46,987 --> 00:40:49,448
"Well, Smokey, you know,
you hit your ball over in the woods

646
00:40:49,531 --> 00:40:52,701
"because you didn't have your foot
standing right here..."

647
00:40:53,327 --> 00:40:59,375
"Bobby, see, your club was not, you Know..."
He's gonna tell us why we had a bad shot.

648
00:40:59,708 --> 00:41:02,419
But it was fun. He was a great, fun kid.

649
00:41:05,881 --> 00:41:08,550
RANCIFER: The first time I heard
I Want You Back in the studio,

650
00:41:08,676 --> 00:41:13,013
I noticed a different kind of brightness
to the movement,

651
00:41:13,097 --> 00:41:14,306
Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1967-77

652
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:16,767
other than normal Motown brightness.

653
00:41:17,434 --> 00:41:19,520
It was going in a different direction,

654
00:41:19,603 --> 00:41:23,232
which was good
because Motown's sound was diversified.

655
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,528
GEST: When you listened to I Want You Back,
you knew Berry had a knack to get

656
00:41:27,611 --> 00:41:31,573
the best commercial record out of these kids

657
00:41:31,699 --> 00:41:33,951
and make them a worldwide success.

658
00:41:34,243 --> 00:41:35,619
(SINGING)

659
00:41:41,709 --> 00:41:47,214
When my sister and my mom first heard
our first hit record, I Want You Back,

660
00:41:47,297 --> 00:41:50,426
my father had sent it over,
they didn't care for it.

661
00:41:50,634 --> 00:41:52,344
I didn't like it at all.

662
00:41:52,428 --> 00:41:55,014
Because the songs that the children sang

663
00:41:55,097 --> 00:41:58,767
was more like the, I should say, soul music.

664
00:41:59,435 --> 00:42:02,396
And to me, I Want You Back
didn't sound that way.

665
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:06,650
All the songs that was out then
sound so different,

666
00:42:06,775 --> 00:42:09,403
so I guess Berry wanted
to bring out a different style.

667
00:42:09,486 --> 00:42:13,574
Little did they know it was a very big song,
number one.

668
00:42:14,074 --> 00:42:15,451
(SINGING)

669
00:42:24,334 --> 00:42:26,462
It was just an unbelievable track.

670
00:42:26,587 --> 00:42:30,174
It just came out of the radio like lightning.

671
00:42:30,299 --> 00:42:34,762
Oh, them Jackson 5, that is a kickin' group.

672
00:42:34,845 --> 00:42:39,308
"Wow, that's them?"
And I had to get used to the song

673
00:42:39,808 --> 00:42:42,478
because even though it was a very big hit,

674
00:42:44,313 --> 00:42:47,524
your brothers singing on a record,
on vinyl, and you hearing it

675
00:42:47,649 --> 00:42:49,151
is something totally different.

676
00:42:49,693 --> 00:42:50,736
MICHAEL: We just don't have songs
that come and go,

677
00:42:50,819 --> 00:42:53,113
Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli

678
00:42:53,197 --> 00:42:54,948
we have songs that'll be around all the time.

679
00:42:55,032 --> 00:42:57,743
Like, you'll hear 'em
on the FM classical stations,

680
00:42:57,826 --> 00:43:00,871
by the Philharmonic Orchestra,
things like that.

681
00:43:00,996 --> 00:43:05,209
So it's just not what people call it,
kiddie rock. It's not that.

682
00:43:05,959 --> 00:43:08,003
And a million sellers, a million selling.

683
00:43:08,337 --> 00:43:09,755
J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON'S FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER.

684
00:43:09,838 --> 00:43:13,675
It was difficult to believe
that they were Motown artists,

685
00:43:13,801 --> 00:43:15,677
because they were just kids.

686
00:43:15,803 --> 00:43:19,056
It was as if they had some
kind of stardust rub off on them

687
00:43:19,181 --> 00:43:22,810
because, you know, they were
becoming close to Berry Gordy,

688
00:43:22,893 --> 00:43:25,646
Diana Ross, and to all of my idols.

689
00:43:31,318 --> 00:43:34,279
When I wrote Who's Lovin' You,
I was, you Know, in my early 20s.

690
00:43:34,363 --> 00:43:35,405
Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS.

691
00:43:44,832 --> 00:43:49,336
But at least, at that point,
I had had a chance to experience

692
00:43:49,419 --> 00:43:51,380
some life and some love.

693
00:43:51,505 --> 00:43:54,341
I was married. I got married when I was 19.

694
00:43:55,259 --> 00:43:59,012
The subject matter
of the song is like a person

695
00:43:59,096 --> 00:44:03,058
who has somebody who really loves them.

696
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:05,769
And yet they don't appreciate it.
They do the person wrong.

697
00:44:06,061 --> 00:44:08,230
The first time I heard Smokey's
Who's Lovin' You,

698
00:44:08,355 --> 00:44:10,941
my assistant was playing it
and it's one of those,

699
00:44:11,066 --> 00:44:18,073
oh, party, red-light, basement-type,
you know, up on it.

700
00:44:20,409 --> 00:44:22,286
But when Michael got ahold to it,

701
00:44:22,411 --> 00:44:25,747
and Bobby Taylor infused him up
with that funk,

702
00:44:25,873 --> 00:44:30,252
men, Michael put that soul
in that song so deep, it was soulful.

703
00:44:30,752 --> 00:44:32,379
(SOULFUL SONG PLAYING)

704
00:44:48,103 --> 00:44:51,773
How could he possibly know
what that song meant?

705
00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:53,609
He sang it like he had written it.

706
00:44:56,278 --> 00:44:59,948
I sing Who's Lovin' You, or part of it,
in my live concerts

707
00:45:00,616 --> 00:45:03,994
and many times, young people have
come up to me after the concert and said,

708
00:45:04,119 --> 00:45:06,455
"Oh, I didn't know
you sang Michael Jackson's song."

709
00:45:13,921 --> 00:45:18,842
A kid, 11 years old, singing that song
with that muon emotion? It was incredible.

710
00:45:19,092 --> 00:45:20,135
Unbelievable.

711
00:45:34,650 --> 00:45:37,027
He seemed as if he was an old soul,

712
00:45:37,486 --> 00:45:40,864
that he could take a song like
Who's Lovin' You

713
00:45:40,989 --> 00:45:44,826
and he could actually interpret those lyrics

714
00:45:44,952 --> 00:45:46,870
in a way that made you believe

715
00:45:46,995 --> 00:45:50,624
that he had those experiences,
when actually he was 10 years old.

716
00:45:50,999 --> 00:45:54,461
If you didn't know he was a kid,
you'd have thought he was an old man.

717
00:45:54,544 --> 00:45:55,796
(LAUGHS)

718
00:45:55,879 --> 00:45:57,756
But he was singing it from his heart.

719
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,133
You know, Michael's life
was kind of paradoxical to me,

720
00:46:00,217 --> 00:46:03,845
because when he was a child, he was a man.

721
00:46:04,346 --> 00:46:07,140
So when he was a man, he got the chance
to be a child and he took it.

722
00:46:19,027 --> 00:46:24,658
He had a way of interpreting a lyric,
even as a very young boy,

723
00:46:24,866 --> 00:46:27,369
that made you believe the song.

724
00:46:40,924 --> 00:46:42,884
He knew how to perform.

725
00:46:43,260 --> 00:46:46,221
This was, I think, something
that Berry Gordy really liked about Michael

726
00:46:46,346 --> 00:46:48,974
because, not only was he a great vocal talent,

727
00:46:49,057 --> 00:46:50,475
but he was a great performer.

728
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:52,853
Watching him, as a kid,
be so comfortable performing.

729
00:46:52,936 --> 00:46:54,021
Peabo Bryson SINGER

730
00:46:54,104 --> 00:46:59,234
probably helped me
become a better performer, actually.

731
00:46:59,568 --> 00:47:01,486
His voice was nearly
as high as Stevie Wonder's.

732
00:47:01,570 --> 00:47:02,654
Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS

733
00:47:02,738 --> 00:47:04,740
I met Stevie when he was eight years old

734
00:47:04,906 --> 00:47:11,330
and I said, "Here's another little youngster
who's far beyond his age, talent-wise,

735
00:47:11,413 --> 00:47:15,751
"but able to sing adult songs
in perfect-pitched voices,

736
00:47:15,876 --> 00:47:18,211
"real high voices that hadn't changed yet."

737
00:47:26,970 --> 00:47:29,222
His voice and his expressions and his...

738
00:47:29,306 --> 00:47:30,349
Weldon Arthur McDougal III.

739
00:47:30,432 --> 00:47:31,475
A & R EXECUTIVE,
MOTOWN RECORDS 1969-80

740
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,228
charisma start taking these songs over.

741
00:47:36,104 --> 00:47:40,025
Like, if Smokey felt like he did his song

742
00:47:40,108 --> 00:47:42,778
and more people like the way Michael
did it than him,

743
00:47:42,903 --> 00:47:45,739
that's because he did that with all
of his songs at that time.

744
00:47:51,453 --> 00:47:57,167
No matter who it was, the O'Jays, the Dells,
the Whispers or the Beatles,

745
00:47:57,626 --> 00:47:59,419
we wanted to be the best.

746
00:47:59,503 --> 00:48:02,881
And that's what we were striving for.

747
00:48:04,925 --> 00:48:11,598
Berry Gordy did not like the stuff
that Bobby Taylor was recording on them.

748
00:48:11,723 --> 00:48:17,979
I wanted to do the boys a certain way,
but he wanted me to do 'em his way.

749
00:48:19,314 --> 00:48:23,068
And I says, "I can't do 'em the way
you want me to do 'em.

750
00:48:23,151 --> 00:48:24,903
"l must have my own head."

751
00:48:24,986 --> 00:48:26,780
So he says,
"Okay we 're going back to Detroit. ”.

752
00:48:27,114 --> 00:48:28,657
Then he took oven.

753
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:33,829
RANCIFER: Berry Gordy in turn,
put his crew together.

754
00:48:34,287 --> 00:48:38,750
The Corporation was established
to bring fresh new material

755
00:48:39,167 --> 00:48:40,836
to the Jackson 5.

756
00:48:40,919 --> 00:48:42,504
Youthful material.

757
00:48:42,796 --> 00:48:48,468
I think he probably felt
that Bobby Taylor would

758
00:48:49,803 --> 00:48:54,850
give them more adult material
and forget that they were children.

759
00:48:54,933 --> 00:48:58,687
He saw gazillions, right?

760
00:48:59,104 --> 00:49:00,272
Then he took over.

761
00:49:00,355 --> 00:49:05,026
Bobby Taylor did never get the recognition
he should have gotten

762
00:49:05,652 --> 00:49:07,529
for working with them,

763
00:49:08,822 --> 00:49:11,032
from the group or the public.

764
00:49:13,326 --> 00:49:18,540
Bobby Taylor produced 10 songs on the
album: 'Diana Ross Presents The Jackson 5'.

765
00:49:20,375 --> 00:49:25,797
During 1969-70 the Jackson 5
released 4 number one singles in a row.

766
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,389
The Corporation, is
what they called themselves,

767
00:49:34,473 --> 00:49:39,144
they topped themselves
with those early songs by the Jackson 5,

768
00:49:39,227 --> 00:49:40,729
they were absolutely incredible.

769
00:49:40,854 --> 00:49:42,814
Absolutely incredible.

770
00:49:43,064 --> 00:49:46,902
KATHERINE: When my boys had
five gold records in a row,

771
00:49:49,029 --> 00:49:53,241
I was very proud of them because I know
it was something that they wanted

772
00:49:53,408 --> 00:49:56,161
and it was their dream.

773
00:49:56,244 --> 00:49:59,414
And they were happy and I was happy.

774
00:49:59,539 --> 00:50:01,583
The whole family was happy about that.

775
00:50:06,379 --> 00:50:08,673
We did a show once for Jesse Jackson.

776
00:50:08,757 --> 00:50:09,841
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS'.

777
00:50:09,925 --> 00:50:11,676
You know, Jesse Jackson, he's the activist.

778
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,430
He's got an organisation called PUSH Expo.

779
00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:17,682
He booked the Temptations
and the Jackson 5.

780
00:50:17,766 --> 00:50:19,184
They were just up and coming.

781
00:50:19,267 --> 00:50:24,773
We were superstars at that time
and, oh, man, it was so many people.

782
00:50:25,023 --> 00:50:26,775
(PEOPLE CHEERING)

783
00:50:27,192 --> 00:50:29,528
MCDOUGAL: When they did that Show,

784
00:50:30,111 --> 00:50:32,614
the Temptations got a great response.

785
00:50:34,783 --> 00:50:38,537
When the Jackson 5 came on,
it was phenomenal.

786
00:50:38,954 --> 00:50:41,248
I mean, almost blew the roof off the place.

787
00:50:45,293 --> 00:50:46,962
EDWARDS: They couldn't get us to our limos.

788
00:50:47,045 --> 00:50:50,549
They had to back up an armoured car,
a Brink's car.

789
00:50:50,632 --> 00:50:53,635
It's like a moment in history.

790
00:50:54,469 --> 00:50:59,266
That's when they finally made it
with the black R&B public.

791
00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:02,477
They were just ripe for stardom.

792
00:51:05,313 --> 00:51:08,316
On the stage, he was a different guy.

793
00:51:11,152 --> 00:51:15,615
He was really as much of an actor
in so many ways as he was a singer.

794
00:51:16,241 --> 00:51:17,659
MICHAEL: A lot of people always come up
to a lot of us and say.

795
00:51:17,784 --> 00:51:20,078
Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli

796
00:51:20,161 --> 00:51:21,162
it's like two different people.

797
00:51:21,288 --> 00:51:23,248
On stage and off stage.

798
00:51:23,331 --> 00:51:28,003
When we was talking, he's shy
and, you know, very soft spoken.

799
00:51:28,503 --> 00:51:31,006
But just when he jumped
on that stage, he's like...

800
00:51:31,089 --> 00:51:32,591
(SCATTING)

801
00:51:33,008 --> 00:51:34,342
(SINGING)

802
00:51:41,516 --> 00:51:44,144
Well, l mean, he was a different person

803
00:51:44,352 --> 00:51:47,981
and I've never seen
that in another artist's life.

804
00:51:48,607 --> 00:51:50,317
He was like two guys.

805
00:51:50,442 --> 00:51:54,279
Anything he felt that he wanted to do,
he would do it on stage.

806
00:52:07,459 --> 00:52:09,878
The moment he came off of the stage,

807
00:52:09,961 --> 00:52:14,716
he was back to the little boy he was
before he went on stage.

808
00:52:22,057 --> 00:52:24,726
MICHAEL: When I get on stage, I really,
totally do. That's with a lot of performers.

809
00:52:24,851 --> 00:52:27,145
Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli.

810
00:52:27,228 --> 00:52:28,229
I've learned that about comedians, too.

811
00:52:28,355 --> 00:52:30,815
It's like when I worked with Richard Pryor
in The Wiz.

812
00:52:30,899 --> 00:52:33,902
A lot of people think he's the funniest guy
to be around 24 hours.

813
00:52:33,985 --> 00:52:36,738
That's not true. He 's really shy and quiet.

814
00:52:37,072 --> 00:52:38,823
We were all like that, too.

815
00:52:38,907 --> 00:52:43,078
Singing or dancing
in front of like, one person, can't do it.

816
00:52:43,161 --> 00:52:46,915
But, like, it's 30, 000, you feel so free,
so much easier.

817
00:52:46,998 --> 00:52:48,083
It's hard to explain.

818
00:52:56,257 --> 00:52:59,344
What motivates Michael Jackson?

819
00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:02,097
That was an audience.

820
00:53:02,514 --> 00:53:03,682
Think about it.

821
00:53:03,765 --> 00:53:09,229
He's shy, he won't look at you, right?

822
00:53:09,396 --> 00:53:10,563
On stage, what is he?

823
00:53:17,112 --> 00:53:18,738
He owns it.

824
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,700
So if I had people looking at him,

825
00:53:21,783 --> 00:53:24,953
I used to bring five, six girls
every time, right?

826
00:53:25,078 --> 00:53:28,373
And I'd say, "Michael, look at that girl, man.
They think you're cute."

827
00:53:28,456 --> 00:53:31,876
Michael'd say,
"Dang, Bobby, they said that?"

828
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,255
I said, "You better go out there
and sing now, son."

829
00:53:44,472 --> 00:53:47,559
I said, "You go out there
and you mess up now," I said,

830
00:53:47,642 --> 00:53:49,644
"They're gonna tell all the rest of the girls
out there.

831
00:53:49,728 --> 00:53:52,397
"You're gonna be one ugly little boy
everywhere you go."

832
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,409
He used to go out and do one take.

833
00:54:09,581 --> 00:54:14,461
When we were on the road,
Michael would worry you to death.

834
00:54:14,753 --> 00:54:16,421
I hear somebody knocking on my door
and say,

835
00:54:16,504 --> 00:54:21,176
"Hey, man, what's wrong?" "Oh, man,
what you doing? I wanna come in."

836
00:54:21,301 --> 00:54:25,930
So I'd let him in. I'd say, "Man, why don't
you hang out with Jackie and them guys?"

837
00:54:26,014 --> 00:54:28,475
"Hey man, they got somebody in their room. ”"

838
00:54:28,850 --> 00:54:30,185
(LAUGHS)

839
00:54:30,602 --> 00:54:32,437
I said, "Well, how do you know?"

840
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,273
He said, ”'Cause I was listening
to the door for about an hour ”

841
00:54:35,356 --> 00:54:36,983
(LAUGHING)

842
00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:41,154
He was like a little boy, I mean, he...

843
00:54:41,279 --> 00:54:42,447
I said, "What were they doing?"

844
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:44,866
He said, "They were talking,
but they won't let me in."

845
00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:51,206
They were like little kids
and they were very, very happy

846
00:54:51,289 --> 00:54:52,832
and very carefree.

847
00:54:52,957 --> 00:54:55,543
TARABORRELLI: Michael loved being
Michael Jackson at that age.

848
00:54:56,628 --> 00:54:59,714
He loved touring,
he loved recording at Motown.

849
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:03,551
He loved his fans, he loved performing.

850
00:55:03,885 --> 00:55:08,807
MCDOUGAL: They had dirt bikes
and they used to go on Saturday mornings.

851
00:55:08,890 --> 00:55:12,060
They'd go to a place
where they could ride them,

852
00:55:12,227 --> 00:55:14,646
and Michael used to tear that thing up.

853
00:55:14,729 --> 00:55:17,899
Man, he was flying up and down
over the hills.

854
00:55:18,691 --> 00:55:22,320
I thought it was, you know, he was like
any other little boy.

855
00:55:22,695 --> 00:55:25,740
But he was a little boy with a dirt bike.

856
00:55:26,074 --> 00:55:28,493
I mean, they had two or three of 'em.

857
00:55:28,576 --> 00:55:32,205
So, when people say
that he didn't have a childhood,

858
00:55:32,664 --> 00:55:35,416
far as I'd seen he had a childhood.

859
00:55:35,542 --> 00:55:39,170
When he was a kid, things were a lot simpler.

860
00:55:39,379 --> 00:55:44,592
And I think that, as they got older,
the family became more divided

861
00:55:45,009 --> 00:55:47,011
and other stuff happened
in Michael Jackson 's life

862
00:55:47,095 --> 00:55:49,764
to make him wish
that he was 12 years old again.

863
00:55:49,889 --> 00:55:53,768
So, when he says
he missed out on his childhood,

864
00:55:53,893 --> 00:55:57,564
I've always felt that what he really meant was
that he just missed it very much.

865
00:55:57,772 --> 00:55:59,357
(SLOW SONG PLAYING)

866
00:56:04,779 --> 00:56:06,698
The first time I met him was when he was 14,

867
00:56:06,781 --> 00:56:07,866
Don Black SONGWRITER, 'BEN'

868
00:56:07,949 --> 00:56:10,368
full of life, full of ambition.

869
00:56:11,536 --> 00:56:15,123
It was at the peak of his powers.

870
00:56:17,375 --> 00:56:21,421
Fire in his belly and just everything
about him was fabulous.

871
00:56:29,220 --> 00:56:31,556
I wrote it about friendship.

872
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:34,809
The story is about this boy
who's very seriously ill

873
00:56:34,934 --> 00:56:37,228
and nothing's going right for him.

874
00:56:37,312 --> 00:56:41,316
But a little rat comes along one day,
he sees it in his bedroom.

875
00:56:42,358 --> 00:56:46,988
But it was a lovely little mousey kind of rat.

876
00:56:47,655 --> 00:56:49,032
And he befriends him.

877
00:56:49,949 --> 00:56:54,078
And it makes the boy so much better,
it lifts his spirits up.

878
00:56:54,162 --> 00:56:57,373
And that's how I wrote the song,
about friendship.

879
00:56:57,498 --> 00:56:58,750
It can be about a rat.

880
00:56:58,833 --> 00:57:02,378
”The two of us need look no more.
You're always running here and there. ”.

881
00:57:02,503 --> 00:57:04,505
But it could be about a best friend.

882
00:57:09,886 --> 00:57:14,641
When Michael recorded Ben,
I remember going to the studio

883
00:57:14,724 --> 00:57:17,268
and it was just magical. I just loved it.

884
00:57:17,352 --> 00:57:21,689
I always remember Michael
getting very emotional about that song.

885
00:57:22,231 --> 00:57:25,193
His eyes welled up a bit,

886
00:57:25,318 --> 00:57:26,611
particularly at the middle bit.

887
00:57:26,694 --> 00:57:29,030
I'll never forget that image.

888
00:57:29,155 --> 00:57:32,575
The middle bit was,
"I used to say 'I' and 'me, '

889
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,328
"now it's 'us, ' now it's 'we."'.

890
00:57:41,542 --> 00:57:43,920
Michael just loved those lines.

891
00:57:44,045 --> 00:57:47,340
In fact, that's why, I think,
we repeat them in the song.

892
00:57:47,423 --> 00:57:48,883
We do it again. (CHUCKLES)

893
00:57:54,222 --> 00:57:57,016
There was a longing, I think,
for love and acceptance,

894
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:59,435
going all the way back
to when he was a little kid.

895
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,440
And you were able to hear that longing
in his voice.

896
00:58:04,565 --> 00:58:05,650
Singing is passion.

897
00:58:05,733 --> 00:58:06,776
Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS.

898
00:58:06,901 --> 00:58:08,069
You have to do it from inside of you.

899
00:58:08,903 --> 00:58:12,532
It has to come from your soul, your heart.

900
00:58:15,535 --> 00:58:16,953
And Michael Jackson had that.

901
00:58:17,078 --> 00:58:19,706
It wasn't done for the posture of "I did this."

902
00:58:19,789 --> 00:58:21,374
Dionne Warwick SINGER.

903
00:58:21,457 --> 00:58:25,086
It was done because his heart said,
"This is what I need to do," and he did it.

904
00:58:25,461 --> 00:58:26,754
Michael sings like an angel.

905
00:58:26,838 --> 00:58:28,423
He has the voice of an angel and he does...

906
00:58:28,548 --> 00:58:29,590
Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff.

907
00:58:29,674 --> 00:58:30,925
PRODUCERS/ SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS

908
00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:33,678
Every note is right on it and he was doing
that at nine years old.

909
00:58:33,761 --> 00:58:36,264
MICHAEL: I recorded Ben
I don't know how long ego.

910
00:58:36,389 --> 00:58:38,683
I mean, I hear it all the time still,
you know, go on and on and on.

911
00:58:38,766 --> 00:58:41,102
Voice of Michael Jackson
Interview courtesy of J. Randy Taraborrelli.

912
00:58:41,185 --> 00:58:42,603
Yeah, it's selling more now.

913
00:58:42,687 --> 00:58:44,564
So, it's what you leave behind, I think.

914
00:58:51,446 --> 00:58:55,575
BLACK: There are people who come along
once in a lifetime.

915
00:58:56,117 --> 00:58:58,411
Michael Jackson, he only happens once.

916
00:58:58,911 --> 00:59:00,455
(SLOW SONG CONTINUES PLAYING)

917
00:59:18,056 --> 00:59:21,392
When you think about Michael Jackson,
you think about him as a kid.

918
00:59:21,476 --> 00:59:22,560
Freda Payne SINGER.

919
00:59:22,643 --> 00:59:26,564
Like when he did some
of those earlier songs, like Ben.

920
00:59:33,488 --> 00:59:36,991
And then as he grew and evolved
and became a young man,

921
00:59:38,618 --> 00:59:42,080
I saw the metamorphosis
of a beautiful, beautiful flower,

922
00:59:42,163 --> 00:59:44,457
just blooming and unfolding.

923
00:59:49,921 --> 00:59:51,923
Michael enjoyed what he was doing.

924
00:59:52,006 --> 00:59:53,091
Mickey & Jan Rooney JACKSON'S FRIENDS.

925
00:59:53,174 --> 00:59:58,179
That's why, transition from very young
to getting older,

926
00:59:58,513 --> 01:00:05,019
it's just one year after another,
but doing what the good Lord let us do.

927
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,356
GEST: When Michael became e teenager;
His voice changed.

928
01:00:08,439 --> 01:00:11,192
He realised that he would be singing
different types of music,

929
01:00:11,275 --> 01:00:12,276
David G-est
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND

930
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,030
not kiddie pop songs
like he had been most of his career.

931
01:00:17,448 --> 01:00:21,035
EDDIE HOLLAND: The first time we worked
with the Jackson 5 was very exciting.

932
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,371
Because the one thing I noticed
about the group,

933
01:00:23,454 --> 01:00:24,455
Brian & Eddie Holland.

934
01:00:24,539 --> 01:00:25,623
SONGWRITERS,
HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND

935
01:00:25,706 --> 01:00:28,960
that they were extremely down to earth,
very mannerable,

936
01:00:29,043 --> 01:00:30,711
very, very polite.

937
01:00:30,837 --> 01:00:34,465
Michael recorded several songs
of mine and the Hollands'.

938
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:35,716
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND

939
01:00:35,842 --> 01:00:38,177
and Forever Came Today
was one of my favourites.

940
01:00:38,344 --> 01:00:39,720
(SINGING)

941
01:00:42,890 --> 01:00:46,352
He had such pipes and drama in his voice

942
01:00:46,477 --> 01:00:48,187
to be so young.

943
01:00:52,692 --> 01:00:54,986
He was just one of a kind in that respect.

944
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:57,196
He really did the songs justice.

945
01:00:58,990 --> 01:01:02,910
I think Michael knew now important lyric
was to the song.

946
01:01:02,994 --> 01:01:04,078
Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford.

947
01:01:04,162 --> 01:01:05,580
SINGERS / SONGWRITERS,
'ASHFORD & SIMPSON'

948
01:01:05,705 --> 01:01:09,000
And it had to reach, touch something,
I think, for him to really wanna sing it.

949
01:01:09,083 --> 01:01:12,837
And, you know,
he'd dance and sing at the same time

950
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,756
so it had to correspond with his body, too.

951
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,093
So it all had to be one piece for him.

952
01:01:23,598 --> 01:01:26,934
He didn't want fluff.
He wanted something with legs on it,

953
01:01:27,059 --> 01:01:29,353
something that was gonna last through time

954
01:01:29,437 --> 01:01:31,856
and that's actually
what he ended up creating.

955
01:01:32,064 --> 01:01:36,110
The bigger he became as an artist,

956
01:01:36,944 --> 01:01:41,449
the more enamoured he seemed
to be over songwriters.

957
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,625
A lot of people have done those songs
and couldn't get a handle on 'em

958
01:01:50,750 --> 01:01:53,377
like the Levi Stubbs or Diana Ross,

959
01:01:53,461 --> 01:01:57,256
but he just had a knack, a gift.

960
01:01:57,632 --> 01:02:00,968
He already had a cake
but then he put icing all on top of it.

961
01:02:05,264 --> 01:02:06,807
TARABORRELLI: Around 1974,

962
01:02:07,266 --> 01:02:09,810
they started doing product at Motown
that perhaps wasn't the best.

963
01:02:09,894 --> 01:02:11,229
J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER.

964
01:02:11,312 --> 01:02:14,899
As a fan, I loved songs
like The Boogie Man is gonna get you,

965
01:02:14,982 --> 01:02:18,819
and Lookin' through the Windows,
and Skywriter,

966
01:02:18,986 --> 01:02:20,988
but these songs weren't hits.

967
01:02:22,823 --> 01:02:24,325
MCDOUGAL: Joe mentioned to me

968
01:02:24,408 --> 01:02:30,331
several times that he felt like
Motown was taking the group over,

969
01:02:30,456 --> 01:02:33,334
taking them away from his direction.

970
01:02:34,835 --> 01:02:36,587
What happened was that.

971
01:02:36,671 --> 01:02:39,131
Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder
and Smokey Robinson

972
01:02:39,257 --> 01:02:41,926
were writing and producing
and doing a lot of things at Motown

973
01:02:42,176 --> 01:02:44,512
that the Jacksons had begun
to want to do for themselves.

974
01:02:44,929 --> 01:02:47,765
And to see how Motown treated other artists

975
01:02:47,848 --> 01:02:50,184
and how the other artists was making it,

976
01:02:50,518 --> 01:02:52,103
it was kind of disillusion.

977
01:02:54,021 --> 01:02:57,858
TARABORRELLI: The company was being
run at that time by Ewart Abner,

978
01:02:57,942 --> 01:03:00,820
Berry Gordy was making movies
with Diana Ross.

979
01:03:01,195 --> 01:03:03,114
And Abner felt pretty strongly

980
01:03:03,197 --> 01:03:06,367
that they should not be writing
and producing their own music,

981
01:03:06,534 --> 01:03:09,036
that they should just
accept the material that came their way

982
01:03:09,161 --> 01:03:11,122
and just do a good job with it in the studio.

983
01:03:12,790 --> 01:03:14,542
GEST: Michael was very disillusioned.

984
01:03:15,167 --> 01:03:17,670
He wanted to not only write his own material

985
01:03:17,837 --> 01:03:19,630
but produce it as well.

986
01:03:19,714 --> 01:03:20,798
He realised

987
01:03:20,881 --> 01:03:24,552
if he was to reach these goals,
he would have to go somewhere else.

988
01:03:26,304 --> 01:03:29,015
KENNY GAMBLE:
Joe Jackson called me and told me

989
01:03:29,140 --> 01:03:30,725
that they were looking for a place to go.

990
01:03:30,850 --> 01:03:31,892
Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff.

991
01:03:31,976 --> 01:03:33,227
PRODUCERS/ SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS

992
01:03:33,352 --> 01:03:34,562
And of course, Huff and myself,

993
01:03:34,645 --> 01:03:37,523
we tried to get them
for Philly International Records.

994
01:03:37,732 --> 01:03:39,734
But at the same time, CBS

995
01:03:40,026 --> 01:03:42,695
was negotiating with them also.

996
01:03:42,903 --> 01:03:44,989
I wanted to know
if there was a shot, a chance,

997
01:03:45,072 --> 01:03:46,574
Ron Alexenburg
SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS / EPIC RECORDS

998
01:03:46,657 --> 01:03:50,077
of being able to get involved.
And I was told there was.

999
01:03:51,329 --> 01:03:54,582
The next is, we sat down
and we started to negotiate.

1000
01:03:55,333 --> 01:03:57,418
They wanted a million dollars.

1001
01:03:57,501 --> 01:04:00,004
And I figured,
"Okay, that's all I could approve up to."

1002
01:04:00,087 --> 01:04:01,505
That was my approval level.

1003
01:04:02,089 --> 01:04:03,591
I had to go through the ranks

1004
01:04:03,716 --> 01:04:07,345
and I said,
”We have a chance of signing the Jackson 5”

1005
01:04:07,428 --> 01:04:09,430
and they said, ”They're done. ”

1006
01:04:09,555 --> 01:04:10,848
I said, "No, I'm sorry.

1007
01:04:11,057 --> 01:04:13,684
"l believe in them,
I believe that there's a big future,

1008
01:04:13,768 --> 01:04:15,269
"l believe that Michael Jackson

1009
01:04:15,936 --> 01:04:18,856
"could be one of the biggest stars even ”."

1010
01:04:20,608 --> 01:04:21,734
That took care of that.

1011
01:04:21,901 --> 01:04:25,613
I was handed the letter and they said,
"There's your deal memo, go sign 'em."

1012
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:27,365
In order to move on and progress,

1013
01:04:27,448 --> 01:04:28,532
Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER.

1014
01:04:28,616 --> 01:04:30,201
Joseph said he had to do it

1015
01:04:30,284 --> 01:04:34,288
because he wanted the children
to get credit for their writings and all of that,

1016
01:04:34,372 --> 01:04:36,207
and they couldn't do that at Motown.

1017
01:04:36,290 --> 01:04:39,794
CBS offered them movies,
they offered 'em a TV show,

1018
01:04:39,919 --> 01:04:41,420
cartoons and everything.

1019
01:04:41,879 --> 01:04:45,591
And of course Gamble and Huff you know,
we couldn't offer them all those things.

1020
01:04:46,384 --> 01:04:49,387
So they decided to go with CBS.

1021
01:04:49,637 --> 01:04:52,056
Probably the most important signing
of my career.

1022
01:04:54,058 --> 01:04:57,770
TARABORRELLI: The Jackson 5
left Motown Records and went to CBS.

1023
01:04:57,937 --> 01:05:00,981
Jermaine stayed behind
because he was married to Hazel

1024
01:05:01,315 --> 01:05:03,609
and Hazel was Berry Gordy's daughter.

1025
01:05:05,152 --> 01:05:08,155
KATHERINE: When my boys left Jermaine
back at Motown,

1026
01:05:09,156 --> 01:05:11,826
it hurt, because Jermaine wouldn't come.

1027
01:05:11,909 --> 01:05:14,745
I don't know if it was upset or angry or
whatever or disappointment or whatever,

1028
01:05:14,829 --> 01:05:15,913
Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER

1029
01:05:15,996 --> 01:05:19,458
it just was a sad time, that's all.
That's the word. It was sad.

1030
01:05:20,167 --> 01:05:24,171
Jermaine felt
that he owed his allegiance to Berry

1031
01:05:24,338 --> 01:05:27,174
'cause Berry was the one
that gave us our start.

1032
01:05:27,925 --> 01:05:29,677
And I felt the same way.

1033
01:05:30,344 --> 01:05:34,014
TARABORRELLI: Berry Gordy
maintained the name ”Jackson 5”

1034
01:05:34,098 --> 01:05:35,516
and they really thought that maybe

1035
01:05:35,683 --> 01:05:39,437
it wasn't fair that Berry got to keep
the name "Jackson 5,"

1036
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,022
so they went to CBS as the Jacksons.

1037
01:05:43,858 --> 01:05:49,864
ALEXENBURG: I was not prepared
for the rubbish that would come my way.

1038
01:05:49,989 --> 01:05:52,783
It was this fear, I guess,

1039
01:05:52,867 --> 01:05:57,288
that what the supposed "lily white" company

1040
01:05:57,371 --> 01:06:00,332
was gonna do to this black family.

1041
01:06:01,792 --> 01:06:04,712
I received phone calls, I received threats.

1042
01:06:05,379 --> 01:06:08,883
There was a lot of prejudice in the business.

1043
01:06:09,008 --> 01:06:15,973
Black records usually had to cross over
from being R&B to pop stations.

1044
01:06:16,182 --> 01:06:19,643
Very rarely did a pop station
just go on a black record.

1045
01:06:19,727 --> 01:06:23,731
It's the most ridiculous thing in the world
when you think of it now

1046
01:06:23,814 --> 01:06:26,066
because it's not like that any more.

1047
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:28,819
But it sure was in the '60s and '70s.

1048
01:06:29,153 --> 01:06:30,738
Music business was segregated

1049
01:06:30,821 --> 01:06:33,866
and even though
the Jackson 5 had crossed over,

1050
01:06:34,575 --> 01:06:37,244
there was just always
this thing that was going on

1051
01:06:37,328 --> 01:06:38,662
that there was a difference

1052
01:06:38,746 --> 01:06:41,415
between R&B and pop.

1053
01:06:41,916 --> 01:06:45,002
Forget the colour, listen to the music.

1054
01:06:45,085 --> 01:06:48,214
Does the music excite your audience?
Yes. Play it.

1055
01:06:57,181 --> 01:07:00,351
Ron Alexenburg called us and asked us

1056
01:07:00,935 --> 01:07:02,686
if we would produce them.

1057
01:07:02,853 --> 01:07:05,022
ALEXENBURG: I wanted to go
to proven winners

1058
01:07:05,105 --> 01:07:08,442
and that's why I picked up the phone
and called Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff

1059
01:07:08,776 --> 01:07:11,779
and it was only at that time that I found out
that they were also

1060
01:07:12,238 --> 01:07:14,198
trying to sign the Jacksons and I said,

1061
01:07:14,281 --> 01:07:17,284
"Well, pretend that you signed them
but they're gonna be on Epic Records

1062
01:07:17,409 --> 01:07:19,203
"and please produce them for me."

1063
01:07:22,414 --> 01:07:23,457
GAMBLE: That transition

1064
01:07:23,624 --> 01:07:26,126
was a trying time, because

1065
01:07:26,252 --> 01:07:28,879
they had a lot of emotional things
going on with them

1066
01:07:28,963 --> 01:07:33,926
because this was the first time
that Jermaine was not recording with them.

1067
01:07:34,176 --> 01:07:35,219
GEST: When Jermaine left,

1068
01:07:35,386 --> 01:07:38,138
Randy came into the group

1069
01:07:38,222 --> 01:07:44,436
and Joe had been preparing Randy,
for a long time, to become a member.

1070
01:07:44,979 --> 01:07:47,731
And he fit in like a glove.

1071
01:07:48,482 --> 01:07:50,359
This here gentleman is Randy Jackson,

1072
01:07:50,442 --> 01:07:51,485
The Jacksons
PHILADELPHIA INT. STUDIO 1977

1073
01:07:51,569 --> 01:07:55,155
and he happens to be the youngest
and the ugliest member of the Jackson 5.

1074
01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:57,950
Now what's the excuse for you, so ugly?

1075
01:07:58,033 --> 01:07:59,118
(PEOPLE LAUGH)

1076
01:07:59,201 --> 01:08:01,912
'Cause I take after my big brother; Tito.

1077
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:06,125
As soon as we found a recording date
for an artist,

1078
01:08:06,208 --> 01:08:08,377
we would start writing for them

1079
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:11,255
and not only would Gamble and Huff
write for them,

1080
01:08:11,338 --> 01:08:13,591
but we had McFadden and Whitehead
who wrote for them.

1081
01:08:13,882 --> 01:08:17,636
- All of our writers, all of our staff...
- Dexter, Cynthia Biggs...

1082
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,888
They would know
that the Jacksons were coming in.

1083
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:24,935
DEXTER WANSEL: Kenny Gamble
and Leon Huff instructed me

1084
01:08:25,144 --> 01:08:26,770
to write a number one for them

1085
01:08:26,854 --> 01:08:30,399
to see if I could come up with any material
that they liked,

1086
01:08:30,482 --> 01:08:31,567
Dexter Wansel PRODUCER/ SONGWRITER

1087
01:08:31,650 --> 01:08:35,613
meaning the Jacksons,
and that Gamble and Huff could approve.

1088
01:08:35,988 --> 01:08:38,198
And so, we would have prepared for them

1089
01:08:39,116 --> 01:08:41,493
maybe 20 songs
when they walked in the door.

1090
01:08:41,577 --> 01:08:46,040
And then we'd take those 20 songs
and we'd cut 'em down to maybe, like, 12.

1091
01:08:46,498 --> 01:08:49,001
The Jacksons themselves were

1092
01:08:49,084 --> 01:08:52,254
interested in moving on with their career.

1093
01:08:52,379 --> 01:08:54,715
They wanted to write,
they wanted to produce.

1094
01:08:55,049 --> 01:08:57,676
So Huff and I, we helped them produce.

1095
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,512
Tito was excellent,
'cause he's a great guitar player.

1096
01:09:00,596 --> 01:09:06,060
Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff
was very warm, nice people.

1097
01:09:06,143 --> 01:09:07,436
They had a lot of soul,

1098
01:09:07,978 --> 01:09:09,688
we had a lot in common with the music.

1099
01:09:09,772 --> 01:09:11,148
WANSEL: When I cut their tracks,

1100
01:09:11,273 --> 01:09:13,984
I always included Tito

1101
01:09:14,193 --> 01:09:15,611
in the rhythm section.

1102
01:09:15,694 --> 01:09:20,240
And he told me Motown would not
let him play on their tracks,

1103
01:09:20,449 --> 01:09:22,201
but he played on every one of mine.

1104
01:09:22,284 --> 01:09:23,827
(LAUGHS)

1105
01:09:23,952 --> 01:09:28,207
GAMBLE: Our studio was running
24 hours a day so it was like a machine.

1106
01:09:28,540 --> 01:09:29,583
H U F F: Sometimes,

1107
01:09:29,708 --> 01:09:33,295
we might wanna work until the wee hours

1108
01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:34,672
of the morning.

1109
01:09:34,755 --> 01:09:38,717
Depends on how strong
your creative juices is flowing

1110
01:09:38,884 --> 01:09:40,386
at that moment.

1111
01:09:40,469 --> 01:09:43,263
And the Jacksons were used to curfews.

1112
01:09:44,139 --> 01:09:46,934
But that changed in Philly.

1113
01:09:47,017 --> 01:09:49,436
GAMBLE: Well, they were olden
they were teenagers then.

1114
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,940
But they were still trying
to induce that old system,

1115
01:09:53,023 --> 01:09:55,818
and Michael rebelled against it.

1116
01:09:56,610 --> 01:09:59,738
Because Michael wanted to hang out

1117
01:10:00,531 --> 01:10:03,992
into the wee hours of the morning, so...
And that's what he did.

1118
01:10:04,284 --> 01:10:07,287
Michael loved his time with Gamble and Huff.

1119
01:10:07,371 --> 01:10:10,165
He really appreciated working
with two geniuses

1120
01:10:10,249 --> 01:10:12,459
who wrote so many classic songs.

1121
01:10:12,543 --> 01:10:17,339
Can you tell us, what made you want
to sing in the first place?

1122
01:10:17,423 --> 01:10:18,716
- I don't know.
- You don't know?

1123
01:10:18,799 --> 01:10:21,927
Well, you know how that goes with children.
They just don't know, do they?

1124
01:10:22,136 --> 01:10:25,013
Michael, at that time, was always shy

1125
01:10:25,139 --> 01:10:26,849
and really reserved.

1126
01:10:26,932 --> 01:10:29,643
We would say ”l wanna go get something
to eat, ” or ”Let's do this.”.

1127
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:32,479
And he would go, "Okay"

1128
01:10:32,730 --> 01:10:34,022
And he was very humble.

1129
01:10:34,106 --> 01:10:36,650
And I think he was pretty humble
through his life.

1130
01:10:36,734 --> 01:10:40,112
- What's your name?
- Christopher Wansel.

1131
01:10:40,195 --> 01:10:41,321
(PEOPLE LAUGH)

1132
01:10:41,530 --> 01:10:44,074
I was young when that video was made,
I was, like, one or two years old.

1133
01:10:44,158 --> 01:10:45,200
Christopher Wansel JACKSON FRIEND.

1134
01:10:45,284 --> 01:10:47,244
The relationship with the Jacksons
started there

1135
01:10:47,327 --> 01:10:48,579
and it continued throughout life.

1136
01:10:48,871 --> 01:10:49,913
Can you sing?

1137
01:10:51,957 --> 01:10:56,170
He can't dance? I wanna see his dance.

1138
01:10:56,253 --> 01:10:59,173
- JACKIE: Come on, man!
- You don't have to.

1139
01:11:00,257 --> 01:11:02,926
CHRISTOPHER: I remember a lot of just,

1140
01:11:03,302 --> 01:11:06,013
I guess, excitement and just joy
with those guys at that point, you Know,

1141
01:11:06,096 --> 01:11:09,433
'cause a lot of people that would record
would be serious,

1142
01:11:09,516 --> 01:11:11,226
you wouldn't get a smile or anything,

1143
01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:13,228
but these guys were constantly joking
left and right.

1144
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,063
JACKIE: What do you do, booger?

1145
01:11:15,147 --> 01:11:16,565
(LAUGHING)

1146
01:11:16,899 --> 01:11:18,817
Well, other than being "the Bishop of Soul"

1147
01:11:18,901 --> 01:11:21,195
I'm also "the Monk of Funk"
and "the High Priest of Rock"

1148
01:11:21,278 --> 01:11:23,238
and "the Bishop of Soul."

1149
01:11:23,447 --> 01:11:25,115
MAN 1: All right!
MAN 2: Who said that?

1150
01:11:25,949 --> 01:11:28,494
I met Michael Jackson
when he first came to Philly.

1151
01:11:28,577 --> 01:11:29,620
Billy Paul
ARTIST, PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS

1152
01:11:29,828 --> 01:11:31,705
back in, I think, it was 1974.

1153
01:11:32,039 --> 01:11:35,876
He was a very shy young kid, you know.

1154
01:11:35,959 --> 01:11:38,337
And he was very excited to meet me,
you know,

1155
01:11:38,420 --> 01:11:41,924
'cause he... Mrs Jones...
It was at the height of Mrs Jones.

1156
01:11:42,466 --> 01:11:46,053
I welcomed him to the studio and told him
he was gonna enjoy it

1157
01:11:47,304 --> 01:11:50,224
and I'd do a good job, you Know,
and he just laughed.

1158
01:11:51,391 --> 01:11:53,602
WANSEL: Michael's voice had changed,
obviously

1159
01:11:53,685 --> 01:11:54,728
from the little boy

1160
01:11:54,812 --> 01:11:58,148
that could hit all those high, piercing,
I'll Be There notes

1161
01:11:58,398 --> 01:12:00,567
to a rawer sound.

1162
01:12:00,651 --> 01:12:02,319
But he was a great singer because

1163
01:12:02,444 --> 01:12:05,489
he studied the great singers,
he wanted to sing like them.

1164
01:12:05,823 --> 01:12:08,867
He knew what he wanted to do
with his voice,

1165
01:12:08,951 --> 01:12:12,746
like over-dubbing his voice
and doubling his voice

1166
01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:15,499
and speeding up one voice and this one...

1167
01:12:15,582 --> 01:12:19,753
These are things that he was telling me,
you know. We're the producers.

1168
01:12:19,837 --> 01:12:22,965
He would say,
"Gamble, can I try this? Can I try that?"

1169
01:12:23,048 --> 01:12:25,050
I said, "Yeah, try anything you want."

1170
01:12:26,301 --> 01:12:28,345
- We let him express himself.
- H U F F: Yeah.

1171
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:29,513
GAMBLE: You know, he was in there

1172
01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:33,141
through the mixes,
he was around me and Huff all the time.

1173
01:12:33,475 --> 01:12:37,604
I remember when they were working
with Gamble and Huff in Philadelphia,

1174
01:12:37,688 --> 01:12:41,400
and I liked their sound and I liked what they
did and they helped them out a lot.

1175
01:12:41,483 --> 01:12:45,070
And that's when
the boys first start writing, too.

1176
01:12:47,447 --> 01:12:50,701
GEST: Their first record
produced by Gamble and Huff

1177
01:12:50,784 --> 01:12:51,910
even though it went gold,

1178
01:12:52,286 --> 01:12:55,414
wasn't a really huge album for them.

1179
01:12:55,497 --> 01:12:58,917
It mid-charted in around the 50s

1180
01:12:59,167 --> 01:13:01,545
and he wanted something
that was number one.

1181
01:13:03,672 --> 01:13:06,967
When they did their second album,
Goin' Places,

1182
01:13:07,801 --> 01:13:09,887
the album was really a flop.

1183
01:13:09,970 --> 01:13:11,179
He was used to selling

1184
01:13:11,305 --> 01:13:14,516
a million or so albums on Motown.

1185
01:13:14,766 --> 01:13:17,185
And he really in no disrespect to them,

1186
01:13:17,519 --> 01:13:23,025
wanted to produce and write
all his own material.

1187
01:13:23,108 --> 01:13:24,818
He wanted to be in charge.

1188
01:13:26,111 --> 01:13:30,490
Released in 1978 'Destiny' was the
first album produced by the Jacksons.

1189
01:13:30,574 --> 01:13:33,410
When I first heard Destiny,

1190
01:13:33,493 --> 01:13:35,996
I liked it very much.
I was very proud of them.

1191
01:13:36,121 --> 01:13:37,706
I thought they did a real good job.

1192
01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:44,880
The album re-established
The Jacksons as a top selling group.

1193
01:13:50,093 --> 01:13:53,055
EDWARDS: He kept reaching
for higher plateaus

1194
01:13:53,347 --> 01:13:55,390
and he felt, maybe, that if the group...

1195
01:13:55,515 --> 01:13:56,600
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS'.

1196
01:13:56,683 --> 01:13:59,645
Where he wanted to go,
they probably couldn't go with him.

1197
01:13:59,895 --> 01:14:04,858
Michael was beginning
to think of himself as a solo artist

1198
01:14:04,942 --> 01:14:08,612
and I always wondered
what would happen to the brothers

1199
01:14:08,695 --> 01:14:10,113
if Michael left the group.

1200
01:14:10,197 --> 01:14:14,117
Without Michael Jackson, that was gonna be
a tough road for the Jacksons.

1201
01:14:14,201 --> 01:14:15,243
And I also believed

1202
01:14:15,327 --> 01:14:18,288
that that's one of the reasons why
Michael put it off for as long as he could.

1203
01:14:18,622 --> 01:14:19,706
Yeah, I figured he'd go solo.

1204
01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:20,999
Jimmy Ruffin ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS.

1205
01:14:21,083 --> 01:14:24,586
He was too good.
He couldn't carry his brothers forever.

1206
01:14:27,089 --> 01:14:28,632
KATHERINE: One of the lawyers called me in

1207
01:14:28,966 --> 01:14:31,093
and he told me to tell the boys
to save their money

1208
01:14:31,176 --> 01:14:33,387
because Michael is gonna go solo.

1209
01:14:33,470 --> 01:14:35,263
I said, ”He can't do that. ”.

1210
01:14:35,347 --> 01:14:37,432
And he said,
"Well, he don't need his brothers. ”

1211
01:14:38,392 --> 01:14:40,185
I said, "They need one another."

1212
01:14:40,811 --> 01:14:44,147
TARABORRELLI: Joseph just felt
that what was really important

1213
01:14:44,231 --> 01:14:47,025
wasn't the individual success of the group

1214
01:14:47,359 --> 01:14:52,280
but it was the group itself
and it was the family itself.

1215
01:14:52,364 --> 01:14:57,703
And that's easy to say
when you're not the lead singer of the group.

1216
01:14:58,328 --> 01:15:02,499
ALEXENBURG: I saw Michael leaving
his father as a positive,

1217
01:15:02,582 --> 01:15:05,711
no longer persecuting him, abusing him

1218
01:15:06,003 --> 01:15:10,298
or saying things to him that were ugly.

1219
01:15:10,382 --> 01:15:13,969
He seemed to only be
getting it from one source, his father.

1220
01:15:14,177 --> 01:15:17,014
Michael never felt comfortable
with Joe as his manager,

1221
01:15:17,097 --> 01:15:18,473
'cause he was afraid of him.

1222
01:15:18,557 --> 01:15:21,685
And when you're afraid of somebody,
you don't wanna be around them.

1223
01:15:21,935 --> 01:15:24,688
That was his destiny, to be by himself.

1224
01:15:24,771 --> 01:15:27,065
His confidence level was really high

1225
01:15:27,149 --> 01:15:30,360
and when he made the transition
from us to Quincy,

1226
01:15:30,444 --> 01:15:31,486
he was ready.

1227
01:15:36,116 --> 01:15:38,827
Michael really admired Quincy Jones.

1228
01:15:39,703 --> 01:15:40,871
Because.

1229
01:15:41,163 --> 01:15:43,123
Quincy had produced Frank Sinatra,

1230
01:15:43,707 --> 01:15:44,750
icon.

1231
01:15:45,417 --> 01:15:46,460
Ella Fitzgerald,

1232
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,086
icon.

1233
01:15:48,336 --> 01:15:49,421
Dinah Washington,

1234
01:15:49,546 --> 01:15:50,672
icon.

1235
01:15:50,756 --> 01:15:56,386
And so many other acts
during his very illustrious career.

1236
01:15:58,346 --> 01:16:01,558
When he was about to do Off The Wall,
he went to him,

1237
01:16:02,309 --> 01:16:04,227
asking for suggestions

1238
01:16:04,728 --> 01:16:08,815
of people that might be interested
in working with him.

1239
01:16:08,899 --> 01:16:14,154
And the story goes that Quincy Jones said,
"I'm available," and he said,

1240
01:16:14,780 --> 01:16:16,698
”l would love to work with you.”.

1241
01:16:17,908 --> 01:16:21,578
TARABORRELLI: I was in the studio
for the Off The Wall sessions,

1242
01:16:21,787 --> 01:16:26,249
and so, I was able to actually watch
Michael and Quincy work together.

1243
01:16:26,333 --> 01:16:31,922
And Michael really thought of Quincy
as sort of the father that he hoped.

1244
01:16:32,214 --> 01:16:34,299
Joseph could have been for him.

1245
01:16:34,382 --> 01:16:37,177
One of the things that Michael told me
he loved about working with Quincy

1246
01:16:37,260 --> 01:16:41,139
was that Quincy thought
Michael's ideas were good ideas.

1247
01:16:41,973 --> 01:16:44,434
And if you listen to some of the demos,

1248
01:16:44,559 --> 01:16:48,271
those songs were complete
when Michael brought them to Quincy.

1249
01:16:48,355 --> 01:16:50,023
I mean, you could have just put them out.

1250
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:53,777
And Quincy appreciated the fact
that Michael had this amazing ability.

1251
01:16:54,027 --> 01:16:55,487
There was a lot of respect there.

1252
01:16:56,363 --> 01:16:59,699
BRYSON: Quincy Jones has always been
smart about merging what he has to offer

1253
01:16:59,950 --> 01:17:01,159
with what the artist has to offer

1254
01:17:01,243 --> 01:17:03,036
and I think that's probably
one of Quincy's greatest gifts.

1255
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,162
Peabo Bryson SINGER.

1256
01:17:04,246 --> 01:17:06,540
And he certainly did that with Michael
in abundance.

1257
01:17:07,999 --> 01:17:11,002
GEST: I will never forget when
he brought Off The Wall over to my house

1258
01:17:11,211 --> 01:17:14,297
to play it for me.

1259
01:17:14,381 --> 01:17:20,720
It just jumped right out of the record player.

1260
01:17:20,804 --> 01:17:26,726
It was the most unbelievable album.

1261
01:17:26,810 --> 01:17:28,311
I'd ever heard to that date.

1262
01:17:28,395 --> 01:17:30,689
To me, that's one of the greatest albums
I've ever heard in my life.

1263
01:17:30,772 --> 01:17:32,190
Russell Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS'.

1264
01:17:32,274 --> 01:17:33,316
When the musicians that I know,

1265
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:37,946
and we all sit around
and we listen to the arrangements,

1266
01:17:38,405 --> 01:17:41,992
and the production that was done on that
album, the things that Quincy Jones did,

1267
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:43,326
was fantastic.

1268
01:17:43,451 --> 01:17:45,996
Quincy Jones had horn players
playing such fantastic licks.

1269
01:17:46,079 --> 01:17:47,164
Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS

1270
01:17:47,247 --> 01:17:51,126
and had drummers and percussions
that Michael had to dance to,

1271
01:17:51,209 --> 01:17:54,087
and that only made him
even the more exciting.

1272
01:17:54,504 --> 01:17:57,716
Quincy was a great arranger,

1273
01:17:57,799 --> 01:18:02,512
Michael was a great singer,
and also had a great foresight

1274
01:18:02,596 --> 01:18:04,890
and it just was a marriage made in heaven.

1275
01:18:06,349 --> 01:18:07,559
EDDIE FLOYD: I had the pleasure

1276
01:18:07,642 --> 01:18:09,436
of coming up in the same era
and watching him.

1277
01:18:09,519 --> 01:18:10,562
Eddie Floyd
SINGER/ SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS

1278
01:18:10,645 --> 01:18:13,398
and once he got with Michael... Wow...
(CHUCKLES)

1279
01:18:13,607 --> 01:18:15,275
History speaks for itself.

1280
01:18:16,401 --> 01:18:17,527
TARABORRELLI: There was just no way

1281
01:18:17,903 --> 01:18:19,738
that these songs
weren't going to be big hits.

1282
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:24,784
KATHERINE: An album would have
two very good songs on it

1283
01:18:25,202 --> 01:18:29,164
that they know is gonna be hits,
and then they throw anything on an album,

1284
01:18:29,331 --> 01:18:30,665
to fill if out.

1285
01:18:30,749 --> 01:18:34,711
And he said, "Mother, I don't believe in that.
I think every song should be a hit. ”.

1286
01:18:34,878 --> 01:18:38,006
And so, he just put good songs out there
and gave the people

1287
01:18:38,089 --> 01:18:39,549
good product.

1288
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:46,014
Actually, it made me start dancing again

1289
01:18:46,097 --> 01:18:47,140
when I went out,

1290
01:18:47,224 --> 01:18:50,977
'cause I was one of those
"l don't wanna sweat" guys. (LAUGHS)

1291
01:18:51,061 --> 01:18:53,772
When Off The Wall was on,
you had to hit the dance floor.

1292
01:18:54,022 --> 01:18:55,482
It was just absolutely astounding

1293
01:18:55,565 --> 01:18:58,026
and then he just
Kept getting better and better.

1294
01:18:58,109 --> 01:18:59,152
Abdul 'Duke' Fakir
ARTIST, 'THE FOUR TOPS'.

1295
01:19:00,612 --> 01:19:03,823
Such a God-given talent, so precious.

1296
01:19:05,283 --> 01:19:08,328
TARABORRELLI: When he recorded Thriller,
Michael was very excited

1297
01:19:08,453 --> 01:19:09,496
and he said that he thought

1298
01:19:09,621 --> 01:19:12,582
this was going to sell hundreds
and hundreds of millions of copies.

1299
01:19:13,041 --> 01:19:16,461
Quincy kept telling Michael,
”You know what? Maybe live million.

1300
01:19:17,629 --> 01:19:19,673
"l mean, if we do 10 million,
it's gonna be huge,

1301
01:19:19,756 --> 01:19:21,216
"but, you know, don't get your hopes up."

1302
01:19:21,591 --> 01:19:24,261
He was never pleased
with what he accomplished.

1303
01:19:24,344 --> 01:19:27,347
He always wanted
to accomplish the impossible.

1304
01:19:28,181 --> 01:19:33,019
TARABORRELLI: Michael felt that Quincy
should have been on his team

1305
01:19:33,603 --> 01:19:35,230
with 100 million.

1306
01:19:35,313 --> 01:19:37,399
And he told his attorney,

1307
01:19:37,649 --> 01:19:40,694
"Thriller's not coming out.
Quincy doesn't believe in it.

1308
01:19:40,986 --> 01:19:43,113
"Cancel. The thing's not coming out," right?

1309
01:19:44,030 --> 01:19:46,449
So, Michael had a conversation
with Walter Yetnikoff,

1310
01:19:46,533 --> 01:19:48,618
who was running CBS at that time.

1311
01:19:48,702 --> 01:19:53,081
And Walter Yetnikoff told Michael,
"Look, who cares what these guys think.

1312
01:19:53,164 --> 01:19:57,043
"It's not about what their impression is
of this music,

1313
01:19:57,127 --> 01:19:59,087
"it's what you believe to be the case.

1314
01:19:59,170 --> 01:20:01,089
"And if you believe this is
going to sell 100 million copies,

1315
01:20:01,172 --> 01:20:02,215
"guess what, Michael?"

1316
01:20:02,340 --> 01:20:03,550
”I'm with you.

1317
01:20:03,633 --> 01:20:07,554
"Let this thing come out.
Don't mess with this. Just let it come out. ”."

1318
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:08,722
And then Michael did.

1319
01:20:09,055 --> 01:20:10,515
But it could have gone either way.

1320
01:20:10,724 --> 01:20:16,563
We were averaging a million units a week,
which no other record had done.

1321
01:20:16,646 --> 01:20:17,689
Frank Dileo
JACKSON'S MANAGER 1984-89, 2009.

1322
01:20:21,026 --> 01:20:26,281
Michael Jackson, that year with Thriller,
saved the record business.

1323
01:20:26,364 --> 01:20:28,491
Tower Records was going out of business,

1324
01:20:28,742 --> 01:20:34,914
CBS itself had had two black Fridays
where they laid off, like, a thousand people,

1325
01:20:34,998 --> 01:20:39,878
other companies were laying off people.
Everybody was losing their job.

1326
01:20:39,961 --> 01:20:41,921
But Thriller was so big,

1327
01:20:42,714 --> 01:20:47,552
it brought millions of people into the stores

1328
01:20:48,011 --> 01:20:51,723
and they not only bought Thriller;
They bought other product.

1329
01:20:51,931 --> 01:20:56,227
It was the music that will probably
influence contemporary artists

1330
01:20:56,311 --> 01:20:58,855
for a long, long time to come.

1331
01:20:58,938 --> 01:21:03,401
It gave us a...

1332
01:21:03,485 --> 01:21:07,030
A goal, a bull's-eye or a dream to get to,

1333
01:21:07,322 --> 01:21:08,823
something to aspire to.

1334
01:21:09,574 --> 01:21:12,827
KATHERINE: After Michael made Off The Wall,
and then Thriller,

1335
01:21:13,328 --> 01:21:18,249
I knew then that it was like shooting a rocket
up to the moon.

1336
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,296
Were you aware of the sales?

1337
01:21:23,630 --> 01:21:26,466
I pretty much did the album
and just sat back and watched.

1338
01:21:27,467 --> 01:21:28,718
He saw where he wanted to go.

1339
01:21:28,802 --> 01:21:29,844
Freda Payne SINGER

1340
01:21:29,969 --> 01:21:31,096
and he went there.

1341
01:21:31,429 --> 01:21:32,514
And nobody could stop him.

1342
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:38,770
He went to a level

1343
01:21:39,020 --> 01:21:41,064
that only the very great have obtained.

1344
01:21:45,151 --> 01:21:47,320
He wanted to be the best
and he was the best.

1345
01:21:48,029 --> 01:21:49,781
(PEOPLE CHEERING)

1346
01:21:52,033 --> 01:21:54,661
TAYLOR: God took that little man
and he says,

1347
01:21:55,036 --> 01:21:57,414
"Okay now, you take over the music world."

1348
01:21:57,497 --> 01:21:58,540
Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS.

1349
01:21:58,706 --> 01:21:59,999
"It now belongs to you."

1350
01:22:02,669 --> 01:22:04,796
ALEXENBURG: What made him so special

1351
01:22:05,213 --> 01:22:06,923
is that he was held back

1352
01:22:07,507 --> 01:22:08,800
for so long

1353
01:22:08,883 --> 01:22:11,845
that when he was finally released,
all of it came out.

1354
01:22:13,263 --> 01:22:15,348
TITO: He just lit the stage on fire.

1355
01:22:15,765 --> 01:22:18,977
He stole the show from everybody,
including the Jackson 5.

1356
01:22:19,060 --> 01:22:20,103
Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER.

1357
01:22:21,604 --> 01:22:23,314
RANCIFER: Michael was into his fans.

1358
01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:26,693
To make all these people that happy,
it charged him up, it really did.

1359
01:22:26,776 --> 01:22:29,276
Ronnie Rancifer
KEYBOARDIST, 'JACKSON 5' 1967-77.

1360
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:34,159
SIMPSON: My fondest memory
is the Motown 25.

1361
01:22:34,242 --> 01:22:36,369
ASHFORD: Yeah.
SIMPSON: We were on that show,

1362
01:22:36,453 --> 01:22:37,495
- and he premiered the moonwalk. Wow.
- That was something.

1363
01:22:37,579 --> 01:22:38,621
Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford,

1364
01:22:38,705 --> 01:22:39,747
SINGERS/ SONGWRITERS,
'ASHFORD & SIMPSON'

1365
01:22:43,626 --> 01:22:44,669
GEST: Michael called me

1366
01:22:45,170 --> 01:22:48,047
when he got home from doing Motown 25,

1367
01:22:48,131 --> 01:22:49,591
and said, "I've just given
the greatest performance of my life."

1368
01:22:49,674 --> 01:22:50,717
David G-est
MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND.

1369
01:22:55,263 --> 01:22:57,891
WARWICK: How excited we all were for him,

1370
01:22:58,266 --> 01:23:01,102
it was like, "I guess I've arrived,"
(LAUGHS) you know?

1371
01:23:01,186 --> 01:23:03,646
Dionne Warwick SINGER.

1372
01:23:03,771 --> 01:23:06,608
With an armful of Grammys.
It was wonderful.

1373
01:23:07,525 --> 01:23:10,653
In 1984 Michael won an unprecedented
8 Grammys for 'Thriller'.

1374
01:23:14,699 --> 01:23:18,161
'Thriller' became the best selling album
of all time with sales exceeding 11 C) million.

1375
01:23:19,662 --> 01:23:20,705
ALL: (CHANTING) Michael!

1376
01:23:22,165 --> 01:23:25,502
During the eighties Michael had more
number 1 hits than any other artist.

1377
01:23:30,882 --> 01:23:32,509
GEST: Michael Jackson is

1378
01:23:32,717 --> 01:23:36,054
one of the greatest artists of all time,

1379
01:23:36,137 --> 01:23:40,683
who transcended being labelled
black, white, red, yellow,

1380
01:23:40,767 --> 01:23:45,104
it didn't matter,
he appealed to everybody, everywhere.

1381
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:51,069
I think he came here ready
'cause he always wanted to be a superstar.

1382
01:23:51,152 --> 01:23:55,949
He was wearing little rings on his fingers
when he was a little man, you know.

1383
01:23:56,574 --> 01:23:58,368
TARABORRELLI: He was very conscious

1384
01:23:58,785 --> 01:24:00,954
of the iconoclastic nature
of "Michael Jackson,"

1385
01:24:01,037 --> 01:24:02,080
J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER

1386
01:24:03,373 --> 01:24:05,667
and what it would mean historically.

1387
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,961
ALEXENBURG: Michael's image
was very important to him

1388
01:24:08,086 --> 01:24:10,463
because Fred Astaire
and the people that he studied,

1389
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,091
Jackie Wilson, James Brown...

1390
01:24:13,258 --> 01:24:17,303
How are they being revered? Why are they
so terrific and what did they do?

1391
01:24:17,387 --> 01:24:18,429
And he was a great student.

1392
01:24:18,513 --> 01:24:19,973
Ron Alexenburg
SNR. VICE PRESIDENT CBS I EPIC RECORDS.

1393
01:24:20,056 --> 01:24:21,391
It just didn't come upon him,

1394
01:24:21,474 --> 01:24:23,851
he studied his craft, he worked at it.

1395
01:24:24,227 --> 01:24:26,020
GEST: He was directing his careen

1396
01:24:26,521 --> 01:24:29,399
he was so street smart

1397
01:24:29,482 --> 01:24:35,697
and he knew how to make a campaign work,
and more importantly, how to make it last.

1398
01:24:36,030 --> 01:24:39,867
He believed that the biggest stars
left the biggest impression

1399
01:24:39,951 --> 01:24:42,662
and it was bigger than just their art,
you know.

1400
01:24:42,745 --> 01:24:45,331
What you thought of instantly

1401
01:24:45,873 --> 01:24:47,709
when you thought of these celebrities

1402
01:24:47,792 --> 01:24:50,545
and with Michael,
what you began to think of instantly

1403
01:24:50,628 --> 01:24:53,172
was the fedora hat, it was the one glove.

1404
01:24:53,756 --> 01:24:57,385
On the show that we did together
at Madison Square Garden,

1405
01:24:57,468 --> 01:24:59,345
he came out with a suitcase

1406
01:24:59,804 --> 01:25:03,850
and inside was the glove,
and he had the hat,

1407
01:25:05,018 --> 01:25:09,105
and he had everything he needed
to show them,

1408
01:25:09,188 --> 01:25:12,483
"Nobody does it better than I
and these are my trademarks."

1409
01:25:12,942 --> 01:25:16,571
TARABORRELLI: The total package
of Michael Jackson became very important,

1410
01:25:16,654 --> 01:25:19,407
especially with the advent of video culture,

1411
01:25:19,574 --> 01:25:21,868
which happened at the exact same time

1412
01:25:21,951 --> 01:25:24,662
that Billie Jean and Beat It
were becoming hit records.

1413
01:25:26,331 --> 01:25:31,085
'Billie Jean' was the 1st video by a black
artist to receive heavy rotation on MTV.

1414
01:25:34,297 --> 01:25:37,925
Michael never officially left The Jacksons.
'Victory' (1984) was their last album together.

1415
01:25:43,473 --> 01:25:48,394
GEST: It was an immense pressure
to be in the public eye

1416
01:25:48,478 --> 01:25:51,481
and he kept wanting
to look better and better.

1417
01:25:51,898 --> 01:25:54,275
He was very, very self-conscious.

1418
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,362
Michael felt under pressure

1419
01:25:57,487 --> 01:26:00,323
where his image was concerned

1420
01:26:00,823 --> 01:26:02,033
because of who he is.

1421
01:26:02,116 --> 01:26:05,912
He was a black guy he was an inner-city guy.

1422
01:26:05,995 --> 01:26:08,539
How could he be the darling
of white society?

1423
01:26:09,248 --> 01:26:10,500
He had to change.

1424
01:26:12,335 --> 01:26:18,508
I think all that was what led
to the first plastic surgery, in 1978.

1425
01:26:18,716 --> 01:26:20,885
I went to interview Michael
at his home in Encino

1426
01:26:20,968 --> 01:26:23,596
and he showed up at the door
with bandages on his face

1427
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:25,348
and his eyes were black and blue,

1428
01:26:25,431 --> 01:26:27,725
and I thought that he had been
in some kind of a fight.

1429
01:26:29,060 --> 01:26:32,897
He explained to me
that he had fallen on stage

1430
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,024
and broke his nose.

1431
01:26:35,108 --> 01:26:37,819
This was why he had that first surgery.

1432
01:26:40,029 --> 01:26:43,032
His next major one was in 1981

1433
01:26:43,116 --> 01:26:45,952
and he stayed with me for four weeks.
I took care of him.

1434
01:26:46,494 --> 01:26:50,331
I always felt that he looked so good
after that second one,

1435
01:26:50,415 --> 01:26:51,749
he never needed to do more.

1436
01:26:52,375 --> 01:26:53,584
TARABORRELLI: And then after that,

1437
01:26:53,668 --> 01:26:55,753
there were all kinds of other things
that were going on

1438
01:26:55,837 --> 01:26:58,297
that it was really hard to determine,

1439
01:26:58,965 --> 01:27:01,217
you know, what he was doing
and when he was doing it.

1440
01:27:09,225 --> 01:27:11,644
REBBIE: I think he should have stopped
before he did, yes.

1441
01:27:11,728 --> 01:27:15,314
Being vulnerable and listening to others,
he just kept going.

1442
01:27:15,398 --> 01:27:16,441
Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER.

1443
01:27:16,899 --> 01:27:20,653
DILEO: Steve Hoefflin, I believe,
and I said to Michael,

1444
01:27:20,737 --> 01:27:27,493
did too many operations
and made Michael not secure, but insecure.

1445
01:27:27,827 --> 01:27:31,539
GEST: One of the ways
Steve stayed close to Michael

1446
01:27:31,622 --> 01:27:35,084
was constantly telling him what he needed.

1447
01:27:35,168 --> 01:27:39,589
Steve would probably disagree with that,
but I felt

1448
01:27:39,714 --> 01:27:41,758
you just went a bit too fan.

1449
01:27:44,427 --> 01:27:46,345
The disease that Michael had, vitiligo,

1450
01:27:46,429 --> 01:27:47,472
Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER.

1451
01:27:47,638 --> 01:27:49,849
Michael suffered from it and he...

1452
01:27:50,975 --> 01:27:54,395
He didn't wanna be spotted up and he...

1453
01:27:54,645 --> 01:27:59,484
He went to a skin doctor
and had him to get his whole face one colour

1454
01:27:59,776 --> 01:28:04,113
but below, his legs and things
were still spotted up

1455
01:28:04,197 --> 01:28:05,281
but he didn't show that part of his body.

1456
01:28:05,364 --> 01:28:06,449
Vitiligo Sufferer

1457
01:28:06,532 --> 01:28:11,788
only parts of his body like his hands
and his face and his neck and chest.

1458
01:28:11,871 --> 01:28:16,250
That's the part that he had bleached out
so it wouldn't look so bad.

1459
01:28:19,545 --> 01:28:22,256
Some people have their own ideas
of what they think it is,

1460
01:28:22,381 --> 01:28:25,134
but I know what it is.

1461
01:28:28,221 --> 01:28:30,473
TARABORRELLI: If always felt unfair to me

1462
01:28:30,556 --> 01:28:32,892
and I think that Michael
always felt victimised by it.

1463
01:28:32,975 --> 01:28:34,519
I loved it when Michael said,

1464
01:28:34,602 --> 01:28:37,063
"Plastic surgery
was not invented for Michael Jackson.

1465
01:28:38,314 --> 01:28:40,566
"People have been having
plastic surgery for years.

1466
01:28:40,650 --> 01:28:42,068
"I'm not the first one to do it.

1467
01:28:42,151 --> 01:28:44,862
"Why am I always the one being picked
on about it?"

1468
01:28:44,946 --> 01:28:46,906
And I thought that was a really good point.

1469
01:28:49,575 --> 01:28:53,913
TITO: We were doing a Pepsi commercial,
the year was 1984.

1470
01:28:54,997 --> 01:28:56,999
And we were just getting ready
to go out on the Victory Tour.

1471
01:29:01,838 --> 01:29:05,424
I went to the set the day they were shooting it

1472
01:29:05,508 --> 01:29:09,428
and they had a lot of performances
that were great.

1473
01:29:09,595 --> 01:29:12,932
So it was the end of the day,
they called for a wrap,

1474
01:29:13,015 --> 01:29:17,979
I said goodbye to him.
And I was walking out the door

1475
01:29:18,104 --> 01:29:23,526
when I heard the producer say,
"We have to do one more take."

1476
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,532
There was some pyro,
and Michael was coming down the steps

1477
01:29:29,615 --> 01:29:32,451
and I think somebody missed their cue.

1478
01:29:36,706 --> 01:29:40,501
One of the flames came
and landed on Michael's head,

1479
01:29:40,626 --> 01:29:44,005
which he had hairspray, something like that,
and it just...

1480
01:30:02,982 --> 01:30:07,445
After the accident, Michael had
to go through a horrific experience

1481
01:30:07,528 --> 01:30:09,322
to repair his scalp.

1482
01:30:09,488 --> 01:30:13,367
It was a form of tissue expansion
known as ballooning.

1483
01:30:15,745 --> 01:30:18,122
This procedure is often used on the scalp.

1484
01:30:18,205 --> 01:30:20,583
Dr. Michael May FRCS - HAIR TRANSPLANT
SPECIALIST, THE WIMPOLE CLINIC

1485
01:30:20,666 --> 01:30:25,838
to treat burns, scarring.

1486
01:30:27,340 --> 01:30:29,342
This is done by the surgeon

1487
01:30:29,425 --> 01:30:34,972
inserting a plastic balloon
underneath the skin

1488
01:30:35,056 --> 01:30:40,186
and, over a period of time,
increasing the volume of the balloon,

1489
01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:44,273
and therefore, stretching the skin above.

1490
01:30:47,068 --> 01:30:48,736
The surgeons,

1491
01:30:48,903 --> 01:30:50,655
almost like drawing a curtain,

1492
01:30:50,738 --> 01:30:55,201
bring the normal tissue
over that area of scalp

1493
01:30:55,868 --> 01:30:58,871
and fill in the scarred area.

1494
01:31:02,375 --> 01:31:04,835
I actually spoke to Dr Steven Hoefflin,

1495
01:31:04,919 --> 01:31:09,590
who did the first ballooning procedure
on Michael after the Pepsi incident.

1496
01:31:09,715 --> 01:31:11,425
And he explained to me.

1497
01:31:11,550 --> 01:31:16,138
Michael continued
to do the ballooning procedure

1498
01:31:16,222 --> 01:31:19,058
with different doctors, throughout his career.

1499
01:31:19,892 --> 01:31:22,186
It was quite painful, you can imagine.

1500
01:31:22,269 --> 01:31:28,317
If a large balloon of saline
is placed beneath the skin,

1501
01:31:28,401 --> 01:31:32,446
is blown up to perhaps 1000 cc of fluid,

1502
01:31:32,571 --> 01:31:35,908
it causes quite a large amount of discomfort.

1503
01:31:38,077 --> 01:31:39,912
KATHERINE: I think after he got burnt,

1504
01:31:39,996 --> 01:31:43,207
that was the first time
he was exposed to strong pain medicine,

1505
01:31:43,290 --> 01:31:46,335
because he did have a lot of pain in that spot
for a long time.

1506
01:31:46,669 --> 01:31:51,215
People don't realise
that his dependency on pills

1507
01:31:51,298 --> 01:31:54,927
was due to that one accident
that changed his life forever.

1508
01:32:02,601 --> 01:32:05,813
I used to give
a lot of private parties for Michael

1509
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,107
because he'd wanna meet somebody.

1510
01:32:08,691 --> 01:32:10,776
My neighbour, when I was living in New York,

1511
01:32:11,027 --> 01:32:13,279
was Liam Neeson,

1512
01:32:13,612 --> 01:32:16,449
and he loved Liam Neeson's work
in Schindler's List.

1513
01:32:16,866 --> 01:32:20,453
And I invited Liam over

1514
01:32:21,454 --> 01:32:23,122
and some friends of mine.

1515
01:32:23,497 --> 01:32:25,708
DOZIER: You gave him a party
and I remember.

1516
01:32:26,125 --> 01:32:27,460
Michael McDonald sang,
Gloria Gaynor sang.

1517
01:32:27,626 --> 01:32:28,627
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND.

1518
01:32:29,462 --> 01:32:32,923
You and Michael were clowning,
he had three bottles of wine, I think,

1519
01:32:33,007 --> 01:32:36,802
and he was having a food fight.

1520
01:32:36,969 --> 01:32:39,388
In the middle of Gloria Gaynor singing,

1521
01:32:40,056 --> 01:32:43,142
Michael threw some jellybeans at me,

1522
01:32:43,392 --> 01:32:45,311
and then he started throwing them
in the piano.

1523
01:32:45,978 --> 01:32:49,315
(CHUCKLES) And I remember Gloria Gaynor
looking up, like, "What's going on?"

1524
01:32:49,398 --> 01:32:52,485
I said, "He's just a kid at heart."

1525
01:32:54,487 --> 01:32:56,155
BRYSON: We ended up
sitting at a table together

1526
01:32:56,322 --> 01:32:59,200
I got up and I went to talk
to some other people away from the table.

1527
01:32:59,325 --> 01:33:00,326
Peabo Bryson SINGER.

1528
01:33:00,409 --> 01:33:03,496
When I got back, Michael was in my seat,

1529
01:33:03,829 --> 01:33:06,165
in my date's ear; in her face.

1530
01:33:06,665 --> 01:33:09,543
I tried to wait a while,
maybe he was gonna go away soon.

1531
01:33:10,544 --> 01:33:13,923
No, he was so engrossed
in the conversation with my date,

1532
01:33:14,340 --> 01:33:16,008
he didn't even notice me coming back.

1533
01:33:16,759 --> 01:33:20,554
"Michael, get your own."

1534
01:33:23,182 --> 01:33:26,060
The first time Michael ever drank in his life

1535
01:33:26,393 --> 01:33:30,606
was at a dinner that I had
with Burt Bacharach

1536
01:33:30,856 --> 01:33:35,194
and he drank about a bottle and a half
of a vintage wine

1537
01:33:35,528 --> 01:33:36,946
and he loved the taste.

1538
01:33:37,238 --> 01:33:41,575
And I remember we went back to my flat,
and when we got out of the car,

1539
01:33:42,368 --> 01:33:45,204
he threw up in the parking lot.

1540
01:33:45,913 --> 01:33:48,541
He threw up in my house, everywhere.

1541
01:33:48,624 --> 01:33:51,544
And I was picking up all this mess,
and he said,

1542
01:33:51,710 --> 01:33:56,799
"You know, if I told Joseph,
you would be in real hot water.

1543
01:33:56,924 --> 01:34:00,886
"He would be really mad at you."
I said, "Don't tell him."

1544
01:34:04,557 --> 01:34:06,308
Not only did we have fun,

1545
01:34:06,392 --> 01:34:10,479
I got to set up a number of collaborations
with Michael and other artists.

1546
01:34:12,565 --> 01:34:16,944
Where I actually met him
was at a big do for him,

1547
01:34:17,069 --> 01:34:18,070
Petula Clark SINGER I ACTRESS

1548
01:34:18,154 --> 01:34:19,864
and he had asked for me
to come along and sing.

1549
01:34:19,947 --> 01:34:22,283
I sang Downtown, of course, inevitably.

1550
01:34:23,325 --> 01:34:26,245
But it seems that he was a great fan.

1551
01:34:26,453 --> 01:34:30,916
Bless his heart,
he financed a recording session for me.

1552
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:34,420
He was a very giving person, Michael.

1553
01:34:35,254 --> 01:34:39,633
And very funny
and of course deeply, deeply talented.

1554
01:34:46,682 --> 01:34:50,686
David called me on one given day
and said that, "I think there's a possibility

1555
01:34:50,769 --> 01:34:52,521
"that you and Michael should sit down
and write together."

1556
01:34:52,605 --> 01:34:53,647
Paul Anka SINGER / SONGWRITER

1557
01:34:53,939 --> 01:34:55,524
(BALLAD PLAYING)

1558
01:35:02,031 --> 01:35:06,493
Michael and Paul were in the Jacuzzi
and came up with This ls It.

1559
01:35:07,286 --> 01:35:11,165
Not many people know that I was responsible
for putting them together.

1560
01:35:11,624 --> 01:35:13,542
Unfortunately it evolved,
and I don't know if you remember,

1561
01:35:13,626 --> 01:35:16,378
but Michael took the tapes out of the studio
in Los Angeles,

1562
01:35:16,462 --> 01:35:18,380
because he didn't want to finish the project.

1563
01:35:18,964 --> 01:35:23,677
He kept them, illegally.
We had the same lawyer, unfortunately.

1564
01:35:24,720 --> 01:35:28,349
I fired the lawyer because he couldn't
find the contract, all of a sudden.

1565
01:35:28,807 --> 01:35:33,145
So, what really happened was, after Michael,
under pressure, returned the tapes,

1566
01:35:33,812 --> 01:35:35,356
he obviously copied them.

1567
01:35:36,148 --> 01:35:39,068
Thus, years later, they went into his home,

1568
01:35:39,151 --> 01:35:43,322
and they found a copy,
on a cassette or whatever,

1569
01:35:43,405 --> 01:35:46,075
of my multi-tracks, from my studio,

1570
01:35:47,201 --> 01:35:49,912
which they thought was new,
they thought it was a new song.

1571
01:35:50,412 --> 01:35:55,668
What threw them off was when they heard
"This is it" as the first line,

1572
01:35:56,001 --> 01:35:58,504
it correlated with the tour
that he was gonna do.

1573
01:36:06,178 --> 01:36:11,016
After gathering all of the evidence, I realised
that there was an honest mistake made

1574
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:13,185
and I don't wanna cause any problems.

1575
01:36:13,769 --> 01:36:16,355
So we sat down very quickly,
within a few hours,

1576
01:36:16,438 --> 01:36:19,692
and we hammered out a deal,
which I think is fair to all of us.

1577
01:36:19,900 --> 01:36:21,860
And that's the story about This Is It.

1578
01:36:25,906 --> 01:36:29,702
G-EST: In 1990, I was producing
the American Cinema Awards,

1579
01:36:29,868 --> 01:36:32,955
which honoured legendary stars
of the cinema,

1580
01:36:33,038 --> 01:36:35,457
as well as great musical entertainers.

1581
01:36:35,874 --> 01:36:38,877
And over the years,
we'd honoured many great legends.

1582
01:36:39,753 --> 01:36:42,881
There was nobody more qualified
to win the award

1583
01:36:43,424 --> 01:36:47,594
for musical Entertainer of the Decade
than Michael Jackson.

1584
01:36:47,928 --> 01:36:51,724
Ladies and gentlemen,
I would like to express my gratitude

1585
01:36:52,266 --> 01:36:55,144
to those responsible
for the American Cinema Awards.

1586
01:36:56,478 --> 01:37:00,566
I thank David Gest. You're just fantastic.
Thank you so much.

1587
01:37:03,736 --> 01:37:09,742
And final, I thank little Christina and Michael.
I love you all, goodbye.

1588
01:37:21,754 --> 01:37:26,550
In 1993, Michael Jackson
was accused of molestation

1589
01:37:26,633 --> 01:37:28,927
by this kid, whose name was Jordy Chandler,

1590
01:37:29,303 --> 01:37:31,930
and by Jordy's father,
whose name was Evan Chandler.

1591
01:37:34,516 --> 01:37:37,644
These people were people
that Michael allowed into his life,

1592
01:37:38,103 --> 01:37:39,271
and he befriended them.

1593
01:37:39,813 --> 01:37:46,278
And the next thing we knew, this kid
was claiming that Michael had molested him.

1594
01:37:46,653 --> 01:37:51,116
Back in 1993, this was unbelievable
to all of us who knew Michael Jackson.

1595
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:56,246
Because we just really didn't
think of Michael in any kind of sexual way.

1596
01:37:56,330 --> 01:37:59,291
He was sort of asexual in our minds
at that time.

1597
01:37:59,458 --> 01:38:01,418
If you know Michael, you know his heart.

1598
01:38:01,502 --> 01:38:02,544
Billy Davis, Jr.
SINGER, '5th DIMENSION'.

1599
01:38:02,628 --> 01:38:09,051
Michael was probably one of the most gentle
people that one would ever want to meet.

1600
01:38:09,134 --> 01:38:12,304
Michael always told me he loved children
because they were innocent.

1601
01:38:12,805 --> 01:38:14,640
They never wanted anything from him.

1602
01:38:14,848 --> 01:38:18,185
Michael was always so protective of children.

1603
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:19,311
Marilyn McCoo SINGER, '5th DIMENSION'.

1604
01:38:19,395 --> 01:38:22,481
The side that I saw of him,
he was such a family-oriented person.

1605
01:38:22,564 --> 01:38:24,483
All of us, growing up, you may know about,

1606
01:38:24,566 --> 01:38:28,320
I mean, we always had a baby
in our arms, on our laps,

1607
01:38:28,654 --> 01:38:30,406
and we always gravitate to kids.

1608
01:38:30,572 --> 01:38:35,577
I mean, it's just an innocent thing
and that's as far as it would ever go.

1609
01:38:35,828 --> 01:38:37,496
KATHERINE: I was sick to my stomach,

1610
01:38:37,579 --> 01:38:40,040
because I knew that Michael
wouldn't do a thing like that.

1611
01:38:40,499 --> 01:38:43,043
And I was wondering,
why are they lying on him like that?

1612
01:38:43,585 --> 01:38:46,505
And I can imagine how Michael must've felt.

1613
01:38:47,005 --> 01:38:49,007
GEST: Michael called me and said,

1614
01:38:49,174 --> 01:38:52,928
"You do something nice
and people try to fuck you."

1615
01:38:53,220 --> 01:38:54,888
And that's what he said to me.

1616
01:38:55,431 --> 01:38:58,016
And he was just so hurt.

1617
01:38:58,559 --> 01:39:00,352
And I rarely heard him cuss.

1618
01:39:00,519 --> 01:39:01,687
Michael was on tour

1619
01:39:01,770 --> 01:39:06,275
and they took great care to wait
until he go on tour to put this stuff out.

1620
01:39:06,525 --> 01:39:09,945
It did appear to me,
and to everybody in the circle,

1621
01:39:10,070 --> 01:39:11,238
and also to Michael,

1622
01:39:11,780 --> 01:39:16,452
that the district attorney, Tom Sneddon,
was really after Michael Jackson.

1623
01:39:17,870 --> 01:39:19,538
And he said,
"Why would people believe this?"

1624
01:39:19,621 --> 01:39:23,125
And I said, "You know, I'm having a hard time
understanding it, too, Michael,

1625
01:39:23,208 --> 01:39:28,255
"but what I think is that for so many years,
people have wondered about your sexuality

1626
01:39:28,380 --> 01:39:31,842
"and they've wondered,
'Is this guy gay, is this guy straight?'"

1627
01:39:31,925 --> 01:39:33,552
”No one really could understand it.

1628
01:39:34,052 --> 01:39:36,889
”And now that this has happened,
people feel that they have the answer;

1629
01:39:37,055 --> 01:39:39,224
”and it's something
that they've decided to latch on to. ”.

1630
01:39:39,725 --> 01:39:41,602
And he said, "Yes, but it's not true. ”.

1631
01:39:41,894 --> 01:39:45,063
And I said, "Yeah, I know that,
but this is what's going on.

1632
01:39:45,147 --> 01:39:47,649
"You know, this is what you are up against."

1633
01:39:47,733 --> 01:39:52,905
And he was devastated by the '93 allegations,
there's no doubt about it.

1634
01:39:53,405 --> 01:39:54,490
Freda Payne SINGER

1635
01:39:54,573 --> 01:39:57,284
I felt that somebody was trying
to get something out of this

1636
01:39:57,409 --> 01:40:01,914
or they were manipulating a situation.

1637
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:03,165
Michael was a target.

1638
01:40:03,457 --> 01:40:07,169
Michael had made a lot of money,
and unfortunately, in our world,

1639
01:40:07,252 --> 01:40:10,088
we have people out there
who would like to get some of your money.

1640
01:40:10,339 --> 01:40:13,967
And they will do almost anything to get it.

1641
01:40:14,176 --> 01:40:17,471
Michael is my brother I love him a great deal.

1642
01:40:17,596 --> 01:40:18,597
La Toya Jackson
Press conference, Israel 1993.

1643
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:24,019
But I cannot, and I will not
be a silent collaborator of his crimes

1644
01:40:24,353 --> 01:40:26,146
against small, innocent children.

1645
01:40:26,271 --> 01:40:29,024
It was hard for me to believe
that she believed that this was true.

1646
01:40:29,525 --> 01:40:33,654
Just because, if you knew La Toya
and you knew Michael, they were so close

1647
01:40:34,947 --> 01:40:40,118
that it just seemed unfathomable that
La Toya would speak out against her brother.

1648
01:40:40,410 --> 01:40:44,498
I have seen cheques payable
to the parents of these children,

1649
01:40:45,749 --> 01:40:49,336
and I don't know
if these children were apparently bought,

1650
01:40:50,254 --> 01:40:53,757
the parents, by Michael, or not,
but I have seen these cheques.

1651
01:40:54,299 --> 01:40:56,009
And I've seen these cheques
through my mother.

1652
01:40:56,134 --> 01:40:59,763
Jack Gordon was the guy's name
who basically put her out there

1653
01:40:59,846 --> 01:41:03,141
to do things
that was well out of her character

1654
01:41:04,017 --> 01:41:07,145
I can't really say on television
the words for Jack Gordon.

1655
01:41:07,980 --> 01:41:13,527
But he was a man who had no morals
and very little class.

1656
01:41:14,611 --> 01:41:17,531
REBBIE: You can come in contact
with the wrong people without knowing it

1657
01:41:17,656 --> 01:41:21,702
or people that surround you,
they can have a strong influence on you.

1658
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:29,167
And these kids are gonna be scarred
for the rest of their lives,

1659
01:41:29,293 --> 01:41:33,672
and I don't wanna see any more innocent,
smell children being affected this way.

1660
01:41:33,839 --> 01:41:37,509
I love Michael very dearly
but I feel even more sorry for these children

1661
01:41:37,634 --> 01:41:40,137
because they don't have a life any more.
They don't.

1662
01:41:40,220 --> 01:41:42,180
I had spoken to him on the phone

1663
01:41:43,682 --> 01:41:46,852
the day after she had said all those things.

1664
01:41:47,394 --> 01:41:51,690
And I have never heard him

1665
01:41:52,691 --> 01:41:56,820
feel so much hate for a person
than he did for La Toya.

1666
01:41:57,487 --> 01:42:00,907
I just know that it was something
that was very ugly and disheartening,

1667
01:42:01,366 --> 01:42:03,160
and the family didn't like it at all.

1668
01:42:03,368 --> 01:42:05,871
There 's certain things
you're not gonna get me to do

1669
01:42:06,079 --> 01:42:08,081
for no price, whatsoever,

1670
01:42:09,333 --> 01:42:11,877
when it comes to people I love and care for.

1671
01:42:12,210 --> 01:42:14,504
He was hurt. He was really hurt.

1672
01:42:14,713 --> 01:42:19,635
La Toya Jackson and her husband,
boyfriend, I guess, at that time, Jack Gordon,

1673
01:42:19,718 --> 01:42:23,680
and I went to Spain
to do a TV show together.

1674
01:42:24,056 --> 01:42:29,269
And it was a crazy TV show, where she
was going to be rigged to a lie detector

1675
01:42:29,394 --> 01:42:31,229
and then I was going to ask her questions.

1676
01:42:31,355 --> 01:42:34,524
I can't imagine why she wanted to do this
because I totally thought she was lying.

1677
01:42:35,525 --> 01:42:38,820
When Michael gave his speech
from Neverland,

1678
01:42:38,904 --> 01:42:42,866
we watched it in the green room backstage
at this TV show.

1679
01:42:43,033 --> 01:42:45,535
I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth.

1680
01:42:45,619 --> 01:42:48,205
And I remember seeing it with La Toya
thinking, "This is your brother

1681
01:42:48,288 --> 01:42:49,873
"and you're getting ready to go on television

1682
01:42:49,956 --> 01:42:51,333
"and I'm gonna ask you these questions

1683
01:42:51,416 --> 01:42:53,919
"and the lie detector's
gonna be swinging like crazy."

1684
01:42:54,086 --> 01:42:56,380
And suddenly La Toya's price
for that interview

1685
01:42:56,546 --> 01:42:59,925
had gone up to, like, $100,000 from $10,000.

1686
01:43:00,425 --> 01:43:03,679
Jack said, "You know,
this is now the biggest story in the world,

1687
01:43:03,762 --> 01:43:06,556
"and La Toya is going
to be paid appropriately."

1688
01:43:07,099 --> 01:43:09,434
And the show would not pay her that money,

1689
01:43:09,726 --> 01:43:12,437
and so, I ended up
getting a free trip to Madrid.

1690
01:43:12,604 --> 01:43:14,690
They served a search warrant on me,

1691
01:43:14,773 --> 01:43:18,777
which allowed them to view and photograph
my body including my penis,

1692
01:43:19,319 --> 01:43:25,283
my buttocks, my lower torso, thighs
and any other area that they wanted.

1693
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:27,744
Michael did talk to me about the strip search.

1694
01:43:28,161 --> 01:43:32,416
Basically, he said it was the most
humiliating experience of his life.

1695
01:43:33,125 --> 01:43:35,502
He couldn't believe that it could happen.

1696
01:43:35,919 --> 01:43:42,050
He couldn't imagine
that the law provided for such a thing.

1697
01:43:42,134 --> 01:43:46,847
Who would stoop as low as trying
to take pictures of a person's genitals,

1698
01:43:47,973 --> 01:43:50,767
and just trying to humiliate him like that?

1699
01:43:51,977 --> 01:43:53,019
That was terrible.

1700
01:43:53,979 --> 01:43:59,317
If that can happen, anything can happen.
This man could end up going to jail.

1701
01:43:59,818 --> 01:44:06,658
Because this guy, Tom Sneddon,
he is definitely after Michael Jackson.

1702
01:44:08,201 --> 01:44:11,830
And he's got power.
He's got the law behind him.

1703
01:44:12,122 --> 01:44:13,290
It was a real wake-up call.

1704
01:44:13,498 --> 01:44:18,503
I remember Michael calling me at 2:00 a.m.
in the morning

1705
01:44:19,546 --> 01:44:21,715
and we spoke till 5:00 am.

1706
01:44:22,382 --> 01:44:25,969
And he told me
he would never, ever settle that case.

1707
01:44:26,178 --> 01:44:28,889
He would never give the guy a dime.
I said, "You're right.

1708
01:44:29,473 --> 01:44:34,394
"If you pay him off,
people are gonna think you are guilty."

1709
01:44:34,519 --> 01:44:36,021
He said he would never do that.

1710
01:44:36,188 --> 01:44:39,858
Michael was getting some really horrible
advice at the time from lawyers,

1711
01:44:39,983 --> 01:44:40,984
Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER

1712
01:44:41,067 --> 01:44:43,528
saying, "Let's just get rid of it, you Know.

1713
01:44:44,029 --> 01:44:46,907
"Settle it out and people will forget it
and it'll go away."

1714
01:44:47,699 --> 01:44:51,912
The time has come for Michael Jackson
to move on to new business,

1715
01:44:52,412 --> 01:44:54,372
to get on with his life,

1716
01:44:54,998 --> 01:44:57,209
to start the healing process

1717
01:44:57,584 --> 01:45:01,087
and to move his career forward
to even greater heights.

1718
01:45:01,379 --> 01:45:04,591
When they settled the case by paying off,

1719
01:45:05,425 --> 01:45:08,512
right away the next day, I called Michael,
"Why did you do that?"

1720
01:45:09,221 --> 01:45:12,891
And Michael said, "Mother, I didn't do that.
I wanted to fight it till the end.

1721
01:45:13,391 --> 01:45:17,395
"But they told me,
the lawyers and things told me,

1722
01:45:17,521 --> 01:45:21,274
"'Just go on and pay it off and settle it."'.

1723
01:45:22,067 --> 01:45:24,694
He just heard a lot of people making a lot
of promises.

1724
01:45:24,778 --> 01:45:25,821
Frank Dileo
JACKSON MANAGER 1984-89, 2009

1725
01:45:25,904 --> 01:45:27,864
and telling him, "It's no big deal."

1726
01:45:28,073 --> 01:45:31,201
Like, "Pay them the money,
it's like a quarter to you."

1727
01:45:31,284 --> 01:45:33,703
The reason they did it
was because Michael was out on tour,

1728
01:45:33,787 --> 01:45:36,748
they had accused him of this terrible thing,

1729
01:45:37,123 --> 01:45:41,253
and they didn't want to stop the tour,
so they just paid it off.

1730
01:45:42,087 --> 01:45:47,384
It was too late. He got some of the worst
advice, probably, in the music business.

1731
01:45:48,260 --> 01:45:50,554
I interviewed Michael
right after he made the settlement,

1732
01:45:50,637 --> 01:45:52,722
and I asked him, "Why did you do it?

1733
01:45:53,431 --> 01:45:57,060
"Don't you realise that from this moment on,
people are going to believe you were guilty?"

1734
01:45:57,269 --> 01:45:58,603
And Michael said he didn't care.

1735
01:45:59,104 --> 01:46:02,065
He said, ”It's my life, it's my careen
it's my choice.”

1736
01:46:03,275 --> 01:46:06,611
I discussed it with him many years later
and he did regret the settlement.

1737
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:11,616
It was one thing in the moment,
you know, when you're in pain

1738
01:46:11,741 --> 01:46:14,786
and you're making a decision
based on the pain of the moment,

1739
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:18,957
it's another thing when years go by
and you look back on it and you think,

1740
01:46:20,041 --> 01:46:21,084
"Why did I do that?"

1741
01:46:21,293 --> 01:46:25,046
And it wasn't about the $17 million,
that meant nothing to him.

1742
01:46:25,297 --> 01:46:30,468
It was paid out in an instalment plan,
like he was buying a refrigerator.

1743
01:46:30,886 --> 01:46:32,470
It really meant nothing to him.

1744
01:46:32,554 --> 01:46:36,516
It was just the fact that people believed
he settled because he was guilty

1745
01:46:36,892 --> 01:46:38,143
that really pissed him off.

1746
01:46:44,107 --> 01:46:46,610
DILEO: A lot of people
are very confused on this.

1747
01:46:46,818 --> 01:46:50,989
But I can sit here under oath
or any other way you want it,

1748
01:46:51,239 --> 01:46:53,742
and I'm a staunch Catholic,
I 'll swear on the Bible,

1749
01:46:53,992 --> 01:46:55,285
Michael was not gay.

1750
01:46:55,952 --> 01:46:57,746
Nor has he ever been gay.

1751
01:46:58,538 --> 01:47:04,753
He's confided in me that certain women
that he had relationships with,

1752
01:47:05,795 --> 01:47:08,632
he wasn't public about any of it,

1753
01:47:08,882 --> 01:47:12,802
because you don't want the fans
to think you're tied down,

1754
01:47:12,886 --> 01:47:16,014
they don't have that shot of getting to you.

1755
01:47:19,851 --> 01:47:22,437
I went to his home, Neverland,

1756
01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:23,563
Whitney Houston SINGER

1757
01:47:24,022 --> 01:47:26,399
and he pulled out all of the stops.

1758
01:47:26,983 --> 01:47:31,738
He picked me up in a helicopter,
and I got to the house,

1759
01:47:32,364 --> 01:47:36,493
and he had a coach and buggy
pick me up from the gate, to his home.

1760
01:47:37,202 --> 01:47:42,207
We were in the kitchen, and this
is when he had Bubbles, the monkey.

1761
01:47:43,208 --> 01:47:47,754
I had taken off my shoes,
and I felt this little nibble at my toe,

1762
01:47:48,755 --> 01:47:51,841
and I thought Michael was playing
with my toes.

1763
01:47:51,925 --> 01:47:54,010
I was like, "Oh, Michael, aren't you special."

1764
01:47:54,678 --> 01:47:56,930
But it was Bubbles sucking on my big toe.

1765
01:47:57,597 --> 01:47:59,099
(LAUGHING) I thought to myself.

1766
01:48:00,475 --> 01:48:02,310
"You better watch out,
I'll take Bubbles home."

1767
01:48:04,729 --> 01:48:08,984
Michael told me about being on the set
of a movie,

1768
01:48:09,067 --> 01:48:14,823
and one of the leading ladies
invited him to her room to watch a movie

1769
01:48:15,782 --> 01:48:20,578
and I guess the saying would be
she "jumped his bones."

1770
01:48:21,162 --> 01:48:25,208
I know some of the stars
that Michael had been with.

1771
01:48:26,876 --> 01:48:28,628
I'll take that to my grave.

1772
01:48:33,842 --> 01:48:36,344
When he married Lisa Marie Presley,
it came out of nowhere

1773
01:48:36,428 --> 01:48:39,431
and everybody thought it was a big joke,
including me.

1774
01:48:42,100 --> 01:48:44,894
I went on television and I cracked a joke

1775
01:48:45,061 --> 01:48:49,274
that if anybody's interested in buying
Michael and Lisa Marie a wedding present,

1776
01:48:49,441 --> 01:48:51,401
they're registered at Toys R Us.

1777
01:48:51,985 --> 01:48:54,571
On my way home,
the phone rang and it was Michael,

1778
01:48:54,738 --> 01:48:57,198
and he said, ”Of all the people in my world,

1779
01:48:57,282 --> 01:49:01,494
"l would think that you would not
belittle my relationship."

1780
01:49:02,037 --> 01:49:05,874
And I said, "Well, you know, I feel
really terrible right now about this, Michael,

1781
01:49:05,957 --> 01:49:08,626
"but you have to understand
that this thing with Lisa Marie

1782
01:49:08,877 --> 01:49:11,046
"has come out of the clear blue sky.

1783
01:49:11,296 --> 01:49:12,881
"Nobody understands what's going on here.

1784
01:49:12,964 --> 01:49:15,633
"She's from Graceland,
you're from Neverland.

1785
01:49:16,134 --> 01:49:17,594
"What is going on here?"

1786
01:49:19,846 --> 01:49:22,140
We did a very long interview,
in which he explained to me

1787
01:49:22,557 --> 01:49:25,060
that he really felt very strongly
about Lisa Marie Presley,

1788
01:49:25,810 --> 01:49:28,313
that the marriage
was a real marriage for him.

1789
01:49:29,481 --> 01:49:32,275
And he said,
"And if you don't believe me, ask Lisa Marie."

1790
01:49:32,484 --> 01:49:33,902
And so I did.

1791
01:49:34,611 --> 01:49:37,322
I interviewed Lisa Marie several times.

1792
01:49:37,405 --> 01:49:39,783
And I can tell you one thing
about Lisa Marie Presley,

1793
01:49:40,450 --> 01:49:41,493
she's tough.

1794
01:49:42,494 --> 01:49:43,703
She tells the truth.

1795
01:49:44,287 --> 01:49:46,956
She is in-your-face honest.

1796
01:49:49,334 --> 01:49:52,337
I believed her when she told me
that that was a real marriage.

1797
01:49:54,714 --> 01:49:56,424
KATHERINE: It was a surprise to me.

1798
01:49:56,674 --> 01:50:00,011
(CHUCKLES) I had heard it on television,
but he never told me.

1799
01:50:01,012 --> 01:50:03,264
He called me, and I said,

1800
01:50:03,348 --> 01:50:05,642
"I've been hearing about you being married
to Lisa Marie Presley."

1801
01:50:05,725 --> 01:50:08,520
He said, "Yes, that's why I called you.
I wanted to tell you about it.

1802
01:50:09,020 --> 01:50:10,772
"And she's right here.
You wanna speak to her?"

1803
01:50:11,898 --> 01:50:13,733
And I spoke to her.

1804
01:50:14,567 --> 01:50:16,945
Being raised in the South,
she had that accent.

1805
01:50:17,278 --> 01:50:19,364
She had a very deep voice, also.

1806
01:50:19,739 --> 01:50:22,200
And I told Michael, I said,
”Michael, that's not hen.

1807
01:50:22,534 --> 01:50:24,369
”That's a black girl that I spoke to. ”.

1808
01:50:27,413 --> 01:50:29,040
GEST: He was married to his career.

1809
01:50:29,124 --> 01:50:33,294
And I don't think any woman
could live with somebody

1810
01:50:33,711 --> 01:50:36,589
and find that they place second,

1811
01:50:38,049 --> 01:50:39,050
and not first.

1812
01:50:41,136 --> 01:50:42,762
TARABORRELLI: Michael and Debbie
were always very different.

1813
01:50:43,471 --> 01:50:45,640
Debbie Rowe and Michael Jackson
were not in love.

1814
01:50:47,058 --> 01:50:51,604
Debbie Rowe was somebody
that would have been a surrogate mother

1815
01:50:52,063 --> 01:50:55,733
to Michael's children, had he had his way.

1816
01:50:56,317 --> 01:50:59,487
Had he had his way
we would never even know her name.

1817
01:50:59,988 --> 01:51:03,449
The problem was that Michael's own mom

1818
01:51:04,325 --> 01:51:09,747
was so determined that Michael
not have children out of wedlock,

1819
01:51:10,248 --> 01:51:14,460
that she really wanted Michael
to marry Debbie.

1820
01:51:15,086 --> 01:51:20,466
And Michael felt pressured also,
by the record industry and by his fans,

1821
01:51:20,592 --> 01:51:23,386
to sort of make an honest woman
out of Debbie Rowe.

1822
01:51:23,469 --> 01:51:25,138
And she would have done anything
for Michael.

1823
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:29,767
She was a big fan of his. She had posters
of him all over her apartment.

1824
01:51:30,101 --> 01:51:31,436
She would have done anything for him.

1825
01:51:34,814 --> 01:51:36,357
She never lived at Neverland.

1826
01:51:36,774 --> 01:51:40,445
She never moved in to Neverland,
like Lisa Marie did.

1827
01:51:40,778 --> 01:51:44,782
Their marriage was a marriage in name only

1828
01:51:44,949 --> 01:51:48,786
so that she could have his children
and then they divorced.

1829
01:51:48,912 --> 01:51:51,789
Michael told me
the reason he married Debbie Rowe.

1830
01:51:51,915 --> 01:51:52,916
David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND

1831
01:51:52,999 --> 01:51:54,959
was because he wanted to have a child

1832
01:51:55,126 --> 01:51:59,255
and that she was just a really nice person
to be around.

1833
01:51:59,631 --> 01:52:03,301
It wasn't that he was so physically
in love with her,

1834
01:52:03,801 --> 01:52:08,973
it's that he liked that she was a great nurse,
and she understood him.

1835
01:52:11,643 --> 01:52:14,229
Michael had two children with Debbie Rowe:
Prince (1997) and Paris (1998).

1836
01:52:18,483 --> 01:52:22,612
He had a third child 'Blanket' in 2002
with an unknown mother.

1837
01:52:23,821 --> 01:52:28,952
I got up one day and heard on the radio
The Love You Save by the Jackson 5.

1838
01:52:31,788 --> 01:52:34,290
It was my all-time favourite record
by the group.

1839
01:52:34,666 --> 01:52:38,628
And I called Michael and said,
"We're gonna do a concert,

1840
01:52:40,672 --> 01:52:43,675
"and I'm gonna reunite
you and your brothers."

1841
01:52:43,841 --> 01:52:44,884
Michael said no.

1842
01:52:45,718 --> 01:52:47,178
Straight out, no.

1843
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:51,349
And I called him again
and I said, "We've got to do this.

1844
01:52:51,975 --> 01:52:53,559
"You're gonna make a lot of money

1845
01:52:55,019 --> 01:52:58,856
"and we'll put together a deal
and you and I will own it."

1846
01:53:00,191 --> 01:53:01,818
”We'll be partners in this. ”.

1847
01:53:02,485 --> 01:53:04,487
And Michael said, "Okay let's do it. ”.

1848
01:53:04,696 --> 01:53:06,364
We set the wheels in motion

1849
01:53:06,823 --> 01:53:11,327
for the Michael Jackson
30th Anniversary Celebration: The Solo Years

1850
01:53:11,703 --> 01:53:14,998
in New York City at Madison Square Garden.

1851
01:53:15,873 --> 01:53:19,210
It was about six weeks before the show.

1852
01:53:19,335 --> 01:53:20,336
Frank Cascio
JACKSON'S FRIEND, ASSISTANT.

1853
01:53:20,420 --> 01:53:24,215
And all of a sudden, as Michael expected,

1854
01:53:26,050 --> 01:53:29,929
Jermaine had all these random requests
and demands.

1855
01:53:30,513 --> 01:53:33,433
GEST: Michael was very disappointed
with Jermaine.

1856
01:53:33,891 --> 01:53:36,686
He never thought he was very shrewd
or sharp.

1857
01:53:36,894 --> 01:53:38,688
He loved his brother dearly.

1858
01:53:39,355 --> 01:53:43,026
But there was a competition between them.

1859
01:53:43,651 --> 01:53:47,071
Michael said, "Well, if he's a problem,
get him off the show."

1860
01:53:49,073 --> 01:53:51,993
TARABORRELLI: I think it was really difficult
for Jermaine to live in the shadow

1861
01:53:52,243 --> 01:53:55,496
of somebody who was as huge as Michael.

1862
01:53:55,580 --> 01:53:56,914
J. Randy Taraborrelli
JACKSON FRIEND AND BIOGRAPHER.

1863
01:53:57,081 --> 01:53:59,375
And they were very, very competitive
in that family.

1864
01:53:59,709 --> 01:54:02,587
Two weeks before the show,
Katherine Jackson called me and said,

1865
01:54:03,212 --> 01:54:05,256
"l want all my sons together."

1866
01:54:06,174 --> 01:54:07,717
”Jermaine has to go back.”

1867
01:54:07,925 --> 01:54:09,385
I said, ”l can't deal with him.”.

1868
01:54:09,761 --> 01:54:11,429
And she said, ”He will be no problem. ”.

1869
01:54:12,764 --> 01:54:15,183
And he came and was a perfect angel.

1870
01:54:19,729 --> 01:54:24,692
Michael really wanted Elizabeth Taylor
at the show, as his date.

1871
01:54:27,278 --> 01:54:30,907
But Elizabeth wasn't gonna
do anything for nothing.

1872
01:54:32,116 --> 01:54:34,410
"Oh, Michael, I don't know.

1873
01:54:35,078 --> 01:54:36,621
"I don't know, Michael.

1874
01:54:36,871 --> 01:54:41,459
"I'm not feeling so well
and I don't know if it's a good idea."

1875
01:54:42,877 --> 01:54:46,255
That day he picked out the most
beautiful necklace for Elizabeth Taylor.

1876
01:54:46,964 --> 01:54:49,967
"Oh, Michael, I love it.

1877
01:54:50,468 --> 01:54:54,555
"Of course I will come to the show with you.
Of course."

1878
01:54:55,723 --> 01:55:01,145
So, Elizabeth Taylor,
for a fee of a $250,000 necklace,

1879
01:55:02,063 --> 01:55:04,440
was Michael Jackson's date at the show.

1880
01:55:04,899 --> 01:55:07,568
Well, he is one of my closest friends.

1881
01:55:07,652 --> 01:55:08,736
Madison Square Garden
SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2001.

1882
01:55:08,820 --> 01:55:14,659
And we know more about each other,
probably, than any two people.

1883
01:55:15,827 --> 01:55:17,620
And I love him and he loves me.

1884
01:55:19,455 --> 01:55:22,834
GEST: He was supposed to be in the audience
from 8:00 to 9:00,

1885
01:55:23,126 --> 01:55:26,003
watching all the acts do a tribute to him.

1886
01:55:27,839 --> 01:55:32,969
No Michael at 8:00, no Michael at 8:15,
no Michael at 8:30.

1887
01:55:34,429 --> 01:55:36,931
The CBS people were saying,
"What's going on?"

1888
01:55:37,181 --> 01:55:39,142
I said, "He's on his way."

1889
01:55:40,309 --> 01:55:43,062
Frank Cascio went over to the hotel.

1890
01:55:43,688 --> 01:55:45,690
So I walk into his room, he's sleeping.

1891
01:55:46,774 --> 01:55:48,192
"What do you mean he's asleep?"

1892
01:55:48,860 --> 01:55:53,156
I could tell he was out of it
and he wasn't completely there.

1893
01:55:53,364 --> 01:55:56,075
"I started shouting at him.
I said, ”What did you take?"

1894
01:55:56,159 --> 01:55:58,286
So, he told me, he took a shot of Demerol.

1895
01:55:58,786 --> 01:56:00,913
He said, "Frank, my back was killing me. ”

1896
01:56:00,997 --> 01:56:03,207
I said, "You're just looking for an excuse
to get out of the show.

1897
01:56:04,292 --> 01:56:05,334
"Just tell me, isn't that right?"

1898
01:56:05,877 --> 01:56:06,919
He wouldn't answer me.

1899
01:56:07,628 --> 01:56:09,046
But I knew that was what it was.

1900
01:56:09,255 --> 01:56:13,468
I said, "I don't care what you've taken,
you get on there and entertain."

1901
01:56:13,551 --> 01:56:15,470
REPORTER: What makes this
a great night for you?

1902
01:56:15,678 --> 01:56:22,351
It's a reunion and I'm honoured
that the world appreciates my art.

1903
01:56:22,435 --> 01:56:23,603
I'm very honoured.

1904
01:56:24,187 --> 01:56:26,481
TARABORRELLI: I remember talking
to Michael at that time,

1905
01:56:26,898 --> 01:56:30,193
and he fell asleep on the phone
when I was talking to him.

1906
01:56:30,276 --> 01:56:34,822
And I called his lawyer and I said,
"Is it possible that Michael is on drugs?"

1907
01:56:34,906 --> 01:56:38,409
Because I couldn't imagine it.
Michael never did anything like that.

1908
01:56:39,660 --> 01:56:44,165
Michael never admitted to anybody
that he had a problem with drugs.

1909
01:56:45,708 --> 01:56:47,084
He was totally aloof.

1910
01:56:48,419 --> 01:56:51,923
Those of us that did know, and tried to help,

1911
01:56:53,841 --> 01:56:55,468
he just eliminated.

1912
01:56:56,969 --> 01:57:00,973
He's an amazing man, that he could,
on the pills that he took,

1913
01:57:01,432 --> 01:57:02,767
put on a performance.

1914
01:57:03,643 --> 01:57:06,354
He looked like his eyes were closed
most of the time,

1915
01:57:06,437 --> 01:57:08,022
because I've got the tapes.

1916
01:57:09,190 --> 01:57:11,943
But no one knew.

1917
01:57:12,276 --> 01:57:13,861
It was a brilliant show.

1918
01:57:14,445 --> 01:57:18,616
A lot of energy with the brothers
being on stage once more, again.

1919
01:57:18,699 --> 01:57:22,745
And the whole thing,
just playing those hit songs once more,

1920
01:57:23,913 --> 01:57:25,373
brought back a lot of great memories.

1921
01:57:31,629 --> 01:57:33,965
I don't know anybody
who could do all those dances

1922
01:57:34,549 --> 01:57:36,884
and get up there. And he got away with it.

1923
01:57:37,134 --> 01:57:38,302
(UP-TEMPO SONG PLAYING)

1924
01:57:38,386 --> 01:57:40,471
The TV broadcast of the concert
went on to become

1925
01:57:40,596 --> 01:57:42,723
one of the highest rated
'Music Specials' in American history.

1926
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:08,583
Around 2003, Michael became involved
with a family by the name of Arvizo.

1927
01:58:09,292 --> 01:58:13,504
And Martin Bashir was doing a documentary
about Michael.

1928
01:58:14,422 --> 01:58:16,757
And it was Michael's idea

1929
01:58:18,342 --> 01:58:21,137
to feature this kid in the documentary.

1930
01:58:22,972 --> 01:58:27,977
Michael has a deep affection
for helping children in need.

1931
01:58:28,853 --> 01:58:34,150
And this child happened to have
a severe case of cancer.

1932
01:58:35,860 --> 01:58:40,156
Michael immediately wanted to do something
to help, to give this child hope,

1933
01:58:40,656 --> 01:58:43,367
and give him a reason to live.

1934
01:58:43,868 --> 01:58:46,996
A lot of the people working for Michael
Jackson didn't want Michael to do this

1935
01:58:47,496 --> 01:58:50,041
because they felt that after what happened
with Jordy Chandler,

1936
01:58:50,291 --> 01:58:55,630
people shouldn't be reminded of any
association that Michael had with any kids.

1937
01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:58,674
But Michael had no consciousness
of guilt, at all.

1938
01:58:59,383 --> 01:59:00,551
I saw the original documentary
that Mr Bashir produced.

1939
01:59:00,676 --> 01:59:02,219
Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr.
JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL

1940
01:59:02,303 --> 01:59:04,221
I didn't know Michael Jackson at the time.

1941
01:59:04,347 --> 01:59:07,391
But something seemed
very very manipulative,

1942
01:59:07,475 --> 01:59:10,561
very sinister, about the way
he approached Michael Jackson.

1943
01:59:11,228 --> 01:59:15,816
And what was proof of that
was the naïveté Michael displayed

1944
01:59:15,900 --> 01:59:19,820
in continuing to talk to this man,
who clearly, in my opinion,

1945
01:59:19,904 --> 01:59:21,906
was bent on destroying his reputation.

1946
01:59:22,156 --> 01:59:25,409
FEMALE REPORTER: Tonight, 12-year-old
Gavin reveals he spends nights at Neverland,

1947
01:59:25,493 --> 01:59:28,412
sometimes in Jackson 's bed,
the star on the floor.

1948
01:59:29,914 --> 01:59:34,585
Next thing you know, children protective
services became involved,

1949
01:59:34,710 --> 01:59:37,338
and different lawyers
began asking questions,

1950
01:59:38,089 --> 01:59:40,049
Tom Sneddon is back in the picture again.

1951
01:59:41,092 --> 01:59:48,015
And the Arvizo family, suddenly, have
decided that Michael had molested Gavin.

1952
01:59:51,102 --> 01:59:54,689
Gavin came to Michael, and said, "Michael,
can we sleep in your room tonight?"

1953
01:59:54,772 --> 01:59:56,649
Frank Cascio - UNINDICTED
CO-CONSPIRATOR, JACKSON TRIAL 2005.

1954
01:59:56,732 --> 02:00:00,695
And Michael looked at me and says,
"l don't know.

1955
02:00:00,778 --> 02:00:03,155
"You know, I think you better
ask your mother."

1956
02:00:03,489 --> 02:00:06,701
"Oh, we already asked our mother.
She says, 'Sure, no problem."'.

1957
02:00:07,284 --> 02:00:11,038
I'm like, "No. This is... Something's odd.
This is not right. ”.

1958
02:00:11,247 --> 02:00:16,127
And then, as I was about to go tell Gavin
that he cannot sleep in Michael's room,

1959
02:00:16,585 --> 02:00:18,963
Michael says,
"Okay, I have a solution for this.

1960
02:00:20,214 --> 02:00:23,092
"You have to sleep in the room with me."

1961
02:00:23,634 --> 02:00:27,638
The two children slept on the bed
and Michael and I slept on the floor.

1962
02:00:28,264 --> 02:00:31,392
An arrest warrant for Mr Jackson
has been issued

1963
02:00:31,976 --> 02:00:34,270
on multiple counts of child molestation.

1964
02:00:35,438 --> 02:00:36,564
At this point in time,

1965
02:00:37,148 --> 02:00:40,317
Mr Jackson 's been given an opportunity
to surrender himself

1966
02:00:41,152 --> 02:00:43,446
to the custody
of the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department

1967
02:00:43,696 --> 02:00:45,865
within a specified period of time.

1968
02:00:46,031 --> 02:00:50,077
They were claiming that Michael
organised a conspiracy to abduct children,

1969
02:00:50,202 --> 02:00:53,998
to falsely imprison a family
and to commit criminal extortion.

1970
02:00:54,290 --> 02:00:57,752
And the other counts had to do
with allegations of child molestation.

1971
02:00:57,918 --> 02:01:02,339
These were serious allegations,
the most ridiculous allegations.

1972
02:01:02,882 --> 02:01:06,927
Anyone who knows Michael,
Michael is not a paedophile.

1973
02:01:08,929 --> 02:01:12,391
Mr Jackson has been booked
into the county jail.

1974
02:01:12,475 --> 02:01:16,103
He has since been released.
He has posted the bail

1975
02:01:16,437 --> 02:01:18,272
and he has been given an arraignment date.

1976
02:01:18,898 --> 02:01:19,940
Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER.

1977
02:01:20,024 --> 02:01:22,735
It bothered me because I was wondering
how he was feeling

1978
02:01:22,818 --> 02:01:24,570
and how he was dealing with it.

1979
02:01:25,654 --> 02:01:29,950
Michael used to always tell me, ”I'd rather
slit my own wrist than to hurt a child.

1980
02:01:30,326 --> 02:01:32,077
"And here they are trying to accuse me

1981
02:01:32,495 --> 02:01:35,748
"of the thing that I love best,
and that's children,

1982
02:01:35,956 --> 02:01:37,625
"accuse me of molesting them."

1983
02:01:37,958 --> 02:01:41,212
The more I looked at the facts,
the more I conversed with him,

1984
02:01:41,295 --> 02:01:43,214
the more ridiculous these charges appeared.

1985
02:01:43,297 --> 02:01:45,049
He just did not seem like the kind of person

1986
02:01:45,132 --> 02:01:47,843
that could ever engage
in this kind of behaviour.

1987
02:01:49,428 --> 02:01:52,807
Mr Sneddon was obsessed
with taking down Michael Jackson.

1988
02:01:53,390 --> 02:01:57,353
My understanding is that in the mid-'90s,
Mr Sneddon personally travelled

1989
02:01:57,478 --> 02:02:01,148
to Australia and Canada,
and perhaps other countries I'm not aware of,

1990
02:02:01,482 --> 02:02:03,692
to find witnesses against Michael Jackson.

1991
02:02:03,818 --> 02:02:08,113
He also arranged to have a website at the
Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department

1992
02:02:08,197 --> 02:02:10,950
where they were looking for any witnesses
or evidence against Michael.

1993
02:02:12,618 --> 02:02:15,579
Finally, in 2004, he got his wish,

1994
02:02:15,704 --> 02:02:18,457
a criminal trial
with Michael Jackson as the defendant.

1995
02:02:18,833 --> 02:02:24,755
To see this DA,
with this wicked smile and grin,

1996
02:02:25,047 --> 02:02:28,968
like, he's gonna become a national hero

1997
02:02:30,678 --> 02:02:34,181
for catching Michael Jackson
doing something that he never did

1998
02:02:35,182 --> 02:02:38,519
made me wanna just throw up
on the television.

1999
02:02:39,144 --> 02:02:42,857
Jackson himself I believe, has said
that this was all done

2000
02:02:42,940 --> 02:02:46,777
to try to ruin his new CD that was coming out
or whatever it is he's doing,

2001
02:02:47,278 --> 02:02:50,406
like the sheriff and I really
are into that kind of music. But...

2002
02:02:50,573 --> 02:02:52,157
(PEOPLE LAUGH)

2003
02:02:53,325 --> 02:02:56,787
There was a real, sort of, leaning
in the press corps

2004
02:02:57,246 --> 02:03:00,332
that, "Look, if this is happening again,
then he must be guilty."

2005
02:03:01,125 --> 02:03:03,377
We really didn't know what they had.

2006
02:03:03,794 --> 02:03:07,548
We just... Because it was all sealed
and nobody knew what it was.

2007
02:03:07,882 --> 02:03:11,010
I personally believe this Janet Arvizo

2008
02:03:12,553 --> 02:03:14,805
was provoked by someone.

2009
02:03:15,264 --> 02:03:17,433
Janet Arvizo is a sick woman.

2010
02:03:17,516 --> 02:03:21,520
She has a track history
of shaking people down.

2011
02:03:21,604 --> 02:03:25,274
The more I looked at the history
of welfare fraud,

2012
02:03:25,357 --> 02:03:28,819
the more I looked at their
hustling celebrities to try and get money,

2013
02:03:28,903 --> 02:03:33,032
the more I put this package together;
I have to say, I was quite surprised

2014
02:03:33,324 --> 02:03:36,744
that the prosecutors pinned their hopes
on these people.

2015
02:03:36,827 --> 02:03:39,705
We've been ready to do this
for some period of time.

2016
02:03:39,788 --> 02:03:42,207
I wanna clarify that
so that you understand that.

2017
02:03:42,291 --> 02:03:45,419
MESEREAU: Prosecution was like a train
that left the station.

2018
02:03:45,502 --> 02:03:47,129
It was not gonna slow down.

2019
02:03:47,379 --> 02:03:49,673
Once they decided
to charge Michael Jackson,

2020
02:03:49,757 --> 02:03:52,593
it almost appeared as if they were gonna do
whatever it took

2021
02:03:52,676 --> 02:03:55,471
to make sure this thing got to trial
and that they got a conviction.

2022
02:03:57,598 --> 02:04:01,894
Seventy sheriffs from Santa Barbara County
raided Michael Jackson's home.

2023
02:04:02,269 --> 02:04:04,021
Now, I've seen murder cases,

2024
02:04:04,104 --> 02:04:08,692
I've seen serial killers have
investigations done in their premises,

2025
02:04:08,943 --> 02:04:12,029
with five people, with six people,
with 10 people.

2026
02:04:12,112 --> 02:04:16,909
Never have I seen this many sheriffs
descend on anybody's home in any case.

2027
02:04:17,034 --> 02:04:18,869
It was all done because of who he was,

2028
02:04:18,953 --> 02:04:21,747
and they knew this was gonna be
a worldwide event,

2029
02:04:21,872 --> 02:04:24,583
and, frankly, it was very despicable
as far as I'm concerned.

2030
02:04:24,750 --> 02:04:28,087
There was a lynch mob mentality
in Santa Maria that extended

2031
02:04:28,212 --> 02:04:31,924
not only to the police
and to the district attorney

2032
02:04:32,049 --> 02:04:33,968
but, maybe, to the media as well.

2033
02:04:34,301 --> 02:04:37,554
And I remember when we were standing
in line to get our press credentials,

2034
02:04:37,888 --> 02:04:41,976
one of the reporters, a woman,
who was a very popular reporter in America,

2035
02:04:42,101 --> 02:04:44,812
pulled herself out of the line and she said,

2036
02:04:44,895 --> 02:04:49,608
"Is there anybody standing in this line,
besides J. Randy Taraborrelli,

2037
02:04:49,733 --> 02:04:53,320
"who does not believe
that Michael Jackson is guilty?"

2038
02:04:54,989 --> 02:04:56,699
MESEREAU: And there was the issue of race.

2039
02:04:56,782 --> 02:05:00,327
When he got in big trouble,
he reached out to black leaders

2040
02:05:00,411 --> 02:05:01,578
to try and defend him.

2041
02:05:02,329 --> 02:05:06,291
He reached out to Reverend Jesse Jackson,
to Reverend Al Sharpton and others.

2042
02:05:06,417 --> 02:05:09,461
I wanted to avoid any racial division.

2043
02:05:09,753 --> 02:05:14,675
There was a phone call one night.
It was Michael Jackson and his publicist.

2044
02:05:14,758 --> 02:05:17,636
She wanted to bring black celebrities
into the courtroom.

2045
02:05:17,761 --> 02:05:20,097
She felt this would be better for his legacy.

2046
02:05:20,180 --> 02:05:23,684
And my comment
about this request was that,

2047
02:05:23,767 --> 02:05:25,185
you know, if he's convicted,

2048
02:05:25,269 --> 02:05:28,814
his legacy is gonna be dying
in California State Prison.

2049
02:05:29,106 --> 02:05:30,774
(CROWD CHEERING)

2050
02:05:33,610 --> 02:05:38,699
DILEO: And I flew out, at the request
of Katherine, to go to the arraignment.

2051
02:05:38,782 --> 02:05:41,702
When we all drove up together, you know,
and went through that.

2052
02:05:41,785 --> 02:05:42,953
Frank Dileo
JACKSON MANAGER 1984-89, 2009.

2053
02:05:43,037 --> 02:05:44,621
Of course, then he got on the roof.

2054
02:05:45,039 --> 02:05:46,790
(CROWD CHEERING)

2055
02:05:51,795 --> 02:05:53,756
When he got in the can I said,

2056
02:05:53,839 --> 02:05:56,800
"Will you stop that already?
This is serious stuff here."

2057
02:05:57,051 --> 02:06:01,138
He went in there, he was strong,
he was not gonna let anything get to him,

2058
02:06:01,221 --> 02:06:03,766
he was jumping on the bus,

2059
02:06:03,849 --> 02:06:06,477
really proud, you know what,
showing his fans,

2060
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:08,520
”We 're gonna get through this,
we 're gonna fight.

2061
02:06:08,645 --> 02:06:10,647
"Everything's gonna be fine. ”."

2062
02:06:11,148 --> 02:06:12,149
When we first started,

2063
02:06:12,232 --> 02:06:16,028
Michael came in
and he looked really robust and healthy.

2064
02:06:16,153 --> 02:06:20,657
He was sharp and focused,

2065
02:06:21,241 --> 02:06:24,411
and determined to prove his innocence.

2066
02:06:26,914 --> 02:06:29,875
Case 1133603: The People v Jackson
begins on February 28, 2005.

2067
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:31,794
GEST: Even after the first day,

2068
02:06:31,877 --> 02:06:35,589
you knew that these people
were only after money,

2069
02:06:35,672 --> 02:06:40,844
and this was the biggest hoax in the world
that they were trying to pull.

2070
02:06:41,178 --> 02:06:44,181
They put witnesses on the stand
to testify under oath

2071
02:06:44,264 --> 02:06:45,682
to things that never happened,

2072
02:06:45,766 --> 02:06:48,393
to things that were completely exaggerated
and untrue.

2073
02:06:49,603 --> 02:06:52,231
They were willing to almost throw anything
at the jury,

2074
02:06:52,356 --> 02:06:54,191
hoping something would stick.

2075
02:06:54,358 --> 02:06:58,195
FEMALE REPORTER: Time for
a diminutive mother of four; Janet Arvizo,

2076
02:06:58,278 --> 02:06:59,780
to take centre stage.

2077
02:06:59,947 --> 02:07:03,033
Her evidence could end the career
of a pop legend.

2078
02:07:03,117 --> 02:07:06,537
What had upset me is they were reporting.

2079
02:07:06,620 --> 02:07:07,663
Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER

2080
02:07:07,746 --> 02:07:10,874
everything that was said about Michael,

2081
02:07:11,208 --> 02:07:13,877
but they wasn't reporting
anything in his defence.

2082
02:07:13,961 --> 02:07:15,712
It looked like a feeding frenzy to me.

2083
02:07:15,796 --> 02:07:17,005
The media were just out

2084
02:07:17,089 --> 02:07:21,552
to see the world's greatest known celebrity
fall to destruction.

2085
02:07:21,635 --> 02:07:24,930
That's where they thought their ratings
in the future would come from.

2086
02:07:25,139 --> 02:07:27,891
And, for me, it was really a disgrace.

2087
02:07:28,559 --> 02:07:29,893
During the trial,

2088
02:07:29,977 --> 02:07:32,563
Diane Dimond was the worst person
in the world.

2089
02:07:33,480 --> 02:07:36,775
Nice to meet you. Your hands are very cold.

2090
02:07:36,900 --> 02:07:39,528
I didn't say what you thought I 'd say.
Did you get my message?

2091
02:07:39,611 --> 02:07:41,405
I got your message.

2092
02:07:41,572 --> 02:07:45,576
I don't understand how these people
can run out and lie.

2093
02:07:46,451 --> 02:07:49,913
They don't even get a chance
to find out the truth.

2094
02:07:51,415 --> 02:07:54,126
Tom Mesereau would get there and show...
And clean it up,

2095
02:07:54,251 --> 02:07:57,421
and show that this is not true,
this is really how it went,

2096
02:07:57,671 --> 02:07:59,590
but they wouldn't report that.

2097
02:07:59,673 --> 02:08:01,675
And that went on for months.

2098
02:08:01,925 --> 02:08:05,137
When we finally got to see
what was being alleged,

2099
02:08:05,262 --> 02:08:08,974
it just seemed so ridiculous
and so far-fetched

2100
02:08:09,099 --> 02:08:14,104
that I remember one reporter from CNN
came over to me

2101
02:08:14,771 --> 02:08:17,733
after the day that the mother testified,
Janet Arvizo,

2102
02:08:17,816 --> 02:08:20,152
and he said, "I feel so used."

2103
02:08:20,402 --> 02:08:24,406
Mrs Arvizo claimed
that she feared Michael Jackson so much

2104
02:08:24,489 --> 02:08:26,950
that she thought he
and his henchmen were gonna

2105
02:08:27,075 --> 02:08:31,622
put she and her family on a hot air balloon
and let them sail away to their demise.

2106
02:08:31,914 --> 02:08:37,002
That was one of, probably, 500 crazy things
that came out of this trial

2107
02:08:37,127 --> 02:08:39,671
that the Arvizo family were alleging.

2108
02:08:39,796 --> 02:08:42,841
Sitting in court,
listening to all these people lie,

2109
02:08:42,966 --> 02:08:45,719
people he'd been good to and all of that,

2110
02:08:45,802 --> 02:08:49,806
he said he couldn't believe
that they were telling all these lies on him.

2111
02:08:49,932 --> 02:08:53,143
These people must have been paid off
to do a lot of this stuff.

2112
02:08:53,310 --> 02:08:55,145
CASCIO: I warned him about this family.

2113
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:59,483
I warned him about that mother.
That mother, I read from a mile away.

2114
02:08:59,691 --> 02:09:02,653
She had an agenda from day one.

2115
02:09:03,028 --> 02:09:06,490
There was a so-called
rebuttal video that was played,

2116
02:09:06,949 --> 02:09:13,455
the video that the Arvizo family made
after the allegations had surfaced,

2117
02:09:13,664 --> 02:09:19,503
in which they claim
that Michael had been a father figure

2118
02:09:19,628 --> 02:09:21,672
to this family.

2119
02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:24,841
And they were really adamant about it
on this video.

2120
02:09:24,967 --> 02:09:27,135
And this video existed.

2121
02:09:27,219 --> 02:09:30,097
And you would've thought
that just the fact that this video existed

2122
02:09:30,180 --> 02:09:31,682
would've been enough
for the district attorney

2123
02:09:31,807 --> 02:09:33,350
to not wanna prosecute this case,

2124
02:09:33,475 --> 02:09:35,894
because, eventually,
we would have to see this video.

2125
02:09:36,019 --> 02:09:40,065
And all of us would then have to look at this
and think, "What the heck is going on here?"

2126
02:09:40,190 --> 02:09:41,483
Which is exactly what happened.

2127
02:09:42,025 --> 02:09:45,696
MALE REPORTER: The focus, instead,
was on the defence 's first celebrity witness,

2128
02:09:45,821 --> 02:09:47,990
the actor Macaulay Culkin.

2129
02:09:48,198 --> 02:09:51,702
The prosecution had suggested
that in the early 1990s,

2130
02:09:51,868 --> 02:09:55,998
he was one of a number of young boys
who'd been sexually abused by Jackson.

2131
02:09:56,081 --> 02:09:58,792
MESEREAU: I have to say,
Chris Tucker and Macaulay Culkin

2132
02:09:58,875 --> 02:10:02,212
will always go down in my book
as loyal, good friends.

2133
02:10:02,671 --> 02:10:06,675
They had managers and agents and lawyers
who didn't want them to get involved,

2134
02:10:06,758 --> 02:10:10,345
and they both told me that, ”When Michael
needs us, we're gonna be there. ”.

2135
02:10:10,429 --> 02:10:11,555
There were other witnesses,

2136
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:15,183
people he knew at Neverland,
who came in to tell the truth.

2137
02:10:15,267 --> 02:10:18,562
We had a lot of people
that rose to his defence.

2138
02:10:18,729 --> 02:10:22,399
GEST: I stood by him
because he was a decent, good man,

2139
02:10:23,859 --> 02:10:26,403
with a warm heart, a loving heart.

2140
02:10:32,576 --> 02:10:35,954
The family were extremely supportive
of Michael Jackson throughout this trial.

2141
02:10:36,079 --> 02:10:37,789
His mother never missed one day.

2142
02:10:37,914 --> 02:10:41,585
The trial lasted almost five months.
She never missed a day.

2143
02:10:41,710 --> 02:10:44,046
I knew what Michael was going through

2144
02:10:44,463 --> 02:10:47,466
and my heart just bled for him all the time.

2145
02:10:48,759 --> 02:10:50,260
TARABORRELLI: The family was there

2146
02:10:50,385 --> 02:10:54,306
and there was this, sort of
sense that it was gonna be okay.

2147
02:10:57,476 --> 02:11:00,562
I remember they showed
the Martin Bashir documentary

2148
02:11:00,645 --> 02:11:02,939
and Michael's music
was playing throughout it,

2149
02:11:03,106 --> 02:11:04,691
and I remember looking
around the courtroom

2150
02:11:04,775 --> 02:11:08,195
and seeing all these heads
bobbing up and down to Michael's music.

2151
02:11:08,278 --> 02:11:09,488
And I thought to myself,

2152
02:11:09,613 --> 02:11:11,573
"Wow, this is gonna be
some crazy molestation trial,

2153
02:11:11,656 --> 02:11:15,786
"because everybody here
is, sort of, rocking out to Billie Jean. ”."

2154
02:11:16,244 --> 02:11:17,996
It just seemed very surreal to me.

2155
02:11:18,789 --> 02:11:21,875
MESEREAU: The prosecution, in my opinion,
didn't know what to do

2156
02:11:21,958 --> 02:11:26,880
with the fact that they found
10 years' worth of magazines,

2157
02:11:26,963 --> 02:11:31,301
Playboy, Penthouse, Hustler; at Neverland,

2158
02:11:31,426 --> 02:11:35,097
which would suggest
that Michael Jackson was heterosexual,

2159
02:11:35,180 --> 02:11:38,809
and interested in seeing pictures
of beautiful women who were naked.

2160
02:11:38,975 --> 02:11:43,438
They weren't quite sure how to fit that
into their theory that he was a paedophile.

2161
02:11:43,522 --> 02:11:48,026
So they came up with the notion that
a paedophile will take magazines like this

2162
02:11:48,151 --> 02:11:50,779
to somehow groom the alleged victim.

2163
02:11:51,029 --> 02:11:53,573
The district attorney
showed so much pornography

2164
02:11:53,657 --> 02:11:58,912
that your head was spinning
by the time this was over.

2165
02:11:58,995 --> 02:12:00,664
It was the only day that Katherine

2166
02:12:00,789 --> 02:12:04,000
excused herself from the courtroom
for the afternoon.

2167
02:12:04,334 --> 02:12:08,171
I thought, they're constantly
flashing this material at the jury,

2168
02:12:08,296 --> 02:12:11,842
which was a majority of females, by the way,

2169
02:12:11,967 --> 02:12:15,053
I thought just was stupid,
but that's what they did.

2170
02:12:15,178 --> 02:12:18,473
They couldn't find any pornography
on his computers.

2171
02:12:18,557 --> 02:12:21,518
They had the FBI test
every computer at Neverland,

2172
02:12:21,643 --> 02:12:24,271
they couldn't find any kiddie pornography.

2173
02:12:24,354 --> 02:12:26,690
So they just tried
to fit everything into their theory

2174
02:12:26,815 --> 02:12:28,525
and it just became an absurdity.

2175
02:12:28,692 --> 02:12:33,155
You just knew that there was
really something devious going on.

2176
02:12:34,865 --> 02:12:38,201
This guy, Tom Sneddon,
was really out to get him.

2177
02:12:38,869 --> 02:12:40,787
It had to be totally torture.

2178
02:12:40,871 --> 02:12:44,708
I couldn't imagine what was going on
in his mind and in his head.

2179
02:12:46,710 --> 02:12:48,211
He's not strong in that way, though.

2180
02:12:49,754 --> 02:12:53,675
MESEREAU: The stress and strain
of this five-month trial took a toll on him.

2181
02:12:53,758 --> 02:12:57,345
You saw him losing weight,
he was having trouble sleeping.

2182
02:12:57,512 --> 02:13:00,182
I would talk to him at 3:00, 4:00, 5:00
in the morning,

2183
02:13:00,265 --> 02:13:01,516
and he would be terrified,

2184
02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:03,852
particularly about what might happen
to his children.

2185
02:13:04,102 --> 02:13:07,564
He did need some things
to help him fall asleep at night,

2186
02:13:07,689 --> 02:13:12,402
because there was no way he was sleeping
with all this stuff going on in his head.

2187
02:13:12,736 --> 02:13:14,946
I don't know how anyone could sleep.

2188
02:13:16,531 --> 02:13:19,284
GEST: The thought that
you might be found guilty

2189
02:13:19,409 --> 02:13:22,954
and spend the rest of your life in a jail cell

2190
02:13:23,121 --> 02:13:26,583
and all your accomplishments
washed down the drain,

2191
02:13:27,751 --> 02:13:29,836
I don't know how he coped.

2192
02:13:29,920 --> 02:13:32,255
Most people would've taken
a gun to their head.

2193
02:13:32,464 --> 02:13:35,800
His frame of mind was very, very fragile,

2194
02:13:36,635 --> 02:13:38,929
and I was concerned for him.

2195
02:13:39,095 --> 02:13:42,516
He was very worried
about his children and his mother

2196
02:13:42,599 --> 02:13:44,518
and what people would think.

2197
02:13:44,601 --> 02:13:46,269
TARABORRELLI: The first day
of Gavin 's testimony,

2198
02:13:46,394 --> 02:13:48,313
Michael shows up and he's in pyjamas,

2199
02:13:48,438 --> 02:13:50,732
and he looked like
he was in really bad shape.

2200
02:13:50,815 --> 02:13:53,944
And they actually, they had to, like,
help him into the courtroom.

2201
02:13:54,069 --> 02:13:57,614
From that moment on,
everything started to get really awful.

2202
02:13:57,906 --> 02:14:02,118
You started seeing Michael coming
in every day looking like death.

2203
02:14:02,327 --> 02:14:06,289
It was as if the testimony
was just destroying him.

2204
02:14:06,498 --> 02:14:10,961
To sit there in court
and watch the legal system hurl

2205
02:14:11,086 --> 02:14:17,634
absurd and vindictive and nasty,
mean-spirited allegations at him like this,

2206
02:14:18,468 --> 02:14:20,387
absolutely traumatized him.

2207
02:14:20,637 --> 02:14:24,057
For me, and for other people
who actually knew Michael,

2208
02:14:24,140 --> 02:14:27,352
this was a real human being,
whose life was being destroyed,

2209
02:14:27,477 --> 02:14:29,521
and every day it just seemed to get worse.

2210
02:14:31,648 --> 02:14:35,819
5 months after the trial began the attorneys
presented their closing arguments.

2211
02:14:41,241 --> 02:14:46,037
On June 1 3th, 2005 after 9 days
of deliberation the jury reached a verdict.

2212
02:14:50,500 --> 02:14:55,338
If found guilty of all 10 charges Michael faced
spending the rest of his life in prison.

2213
02:15:03,013 --> 02:15:04,681
(CROWD CHEERING)

2214
02:15:06,891 --> 02:15:12,272
One of the sheriffs came to me and said,
"You've got the best seat in the house."

2215
02:15:12,606 --> 02:15:16,776
And I said, ”Why?”And he said,
”Because you're sitting right behind Michael.

2216
02:15:16,860 --> 02:15:18,737
”And when we find him guilty,

2217
02:15:18,862 --> 02:15:23,450
”we 're going to get him out of there so fast
that your head's gonna spin.”.

2218
02:15:23,742 --> 02:15:27,037
These people had already decided
that Michael was guilty.

2219
02:15:27,120 --> 02:15:28,246
And they were sure of it,

2220
02:15:28,371 --> 02:15:31,082
so sure that they had an exit plan
to get him out of there.

2221
02:15:37,881 --> 02:15:42,385
Michael came into the courtroom
and he looked like he was on serious drugs.

2222
02:15:42,802 --> 02:15:48,558
He really, truly looked
like a dead man walking.

2223
02:15:51,311 --> 02:15:52,771
MESEREAU: It was a tense moment,
you know,

2224
02:15:52,896 --> 02:15:55,940
the entire world stopped
to watch what was gonna happen

2225
02:15:56,066 --> 02:16:00,403
to the best known celebrity,
a musical genius, Michael Jackson.

2226
02:16:00,487 --> 02:16:05,283
That was such an awfully emotional day,
you just didn't know what to expect.

2227
02:16:18,338 --> 02:16:20,423
WOMAN: We, the jury
in the above entitled case,

2228
02:16:20,507 --> 02:16:24,094
find the defendant not guilty of conspiracy

2229
02:16:24,177 --> 02:16:26,930
as charged in count one of the indictment.

2230
02:16:27,013 --> 02:16:28,598
(ALL CHEERING)

2231
02:16:29,766 --> 02:16:34,979
The verdict was read and it was, "Not guilty.
Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty."

2232
02:16:35,105 --> 02:16:37,774
All the way down the line,
all counts, "Not guilty."

2233
02:16:37,941 --> 02:16:44,823
And I remember, very specifically,
Michael seeming to not understand.

2234
02:16:44,989 --> 02:16:50,161
And I remember Tom Sneddon looking
at Michael for a reaction

2235
02:16:50,286 --> 02:16:51,538
and not really getting one.

2236
02:16:51,871 --> 02:16:55,333
And I also remember
Tom Mesereau, his lawyer, leaning in

2237
02:16:55,458 --> 02:16:59,546
and mouthing to Michael Jackson,
"You're a free man."

2238
02:16:59,629 --> 02:17:02,465
I could read his lips, 'cause I was so close.

2239
02:17:02,799 --> 02:17:05,176
And Michael Still didn't get it.

2240
02:17:06,803 --> 02:17:08,555
You felt like it was a triumphant moment

2241
02:17:08,638 --> 02:17:12,392
but then when you looked at him,
you realised that he wasn't there for it.

2242
02:17:12,642 --> 02:17:14,477
There was nothing you could do.

2243
02:17:14,644 --> 02:17:17,313
He was so devastated that it had happened

2244
02:17:18,148 --> 02:17:22,527
that you couldn't even find a place
to be happy that it ended the way it did

2245
02:17:22,610 --> 02:17:26,114
because it was so devastating
that it had occurred at all.

2246
02:17:31,828 --> 02:17:36,416
It's sad because I really feel that trial

2247
02:17:36,499 --> 02:17:40,462
is what really depressed
my brother out to the point

2248
02:17:40,545 --> 02:17:43,339
where he just wasn't happy.

2249
02:17:43,423 --> 02:17:46,551
He never went back to Neverland.

2250
02:17:47,469 --> 02:17:49,929
For Michael not to go to Neverland,

2251
02:17:50,013 --> 02:17:51,097
he must've been pretty sad.

2252
02:17:51,181 --> 02:17:55,143
Didn't wanna have nothing
to do with that place ever again.

2253
02:18:00,190 --> 02:18:01,900
He would always tell me,

2254
02:18:01,983 --> 02:18:04,486
"It's over. I don't trust anyone.

2255
02:18:05,069 --> 02:18:09,157
"l don't know why they're doing this to me.
They want me dead."

2256
02:18:09,741 --> 02:18:12,994
He said,
"They're gonna Kill me for what I got."

2257
02:18:17,499 --> 02:18:19,209
(CROWD CHEERING)

2258
02:18:24,839 --> 02:18:28,760
I'm pretty sure there was times
when he felt that, you know,

2259
02:18:28,843 --> 02:18:33,848
"l wish I was someone else,"
or, other than an entertainer.

2260
02:18:35,183 --> 02:18:38,144
There's a certain point
that you can get to with success.

2261
02:18:38,228 --> 02:18:39,270
Smokey Robinson ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS

2262
02:18:39,354 --> 02:18:42,315
where you have no life whatsoever.

2263
02:18:43,566 --> 02:18:47,403
You lose the ability to be a person.

2264
02:18:47,821 --> 02:18:50,573
To be a person that cannot be a part
of the everyday life of this world,

2265
02:18:50,657 --> 02:18:52,075
Russell Thompkins, Jr.
LEAD SINGER, 'THE STYLISTICS'

2266
02:18:53,868 --> 02:18:56,412
it could really be devastating on the mind.

2267
02:18:58,122 --> 02:18:59,958
PAYNE: You can't get it all for free.

2268
02:19:00,708 --> 02:19:03,002
And that's what happened with Michael,

2269
02:19:03,086 --> 02:19:04,212
Freda Payne SINGER

2270
02:19:04,295 --> 02:19:06,256
he had to give up so much
that he lost his ability

2271
02:19:06,339 --> 02:19:09,175
to just walk amongst everyday people.

2272
02:19:09,592 --> 02:19:12,220
This was the first artist
that I'd been associated with,

2273
02:19:12,303 --> 02:19:13,346
Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff.

2274
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:14,722
PRODUCERS/ SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS

2275
02:19:14,806 --> 02:19:16,099
and the only artist
that I'd been associated with,

2276
02:19:16,182 --> 02:19:18,560
that you could not walk down the street with.

2277
02:19:19,686 --> 02:19:24,649
Look at my life. It's somewhat normal.
It's not normal, but it's a little normal.

2278
02:19:25,191 --> 02:19:30,405
But judging my life to his,
his was nowhere close.

2279
02:19:30,905 --> 02:19:33,199
He just couldn't be anonymous.

2280
02:19:33,283 --> 02:19:34,367
Impossible.

2281
02:19:42,458 --> 02:19:44,711
(CROWD CHEERING)

2282
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:48,423
(FANS SCREAMING)

2283
02:19:48,715 --> 02:19:51,384
Michael Jackson is proclaimed
the King of Pop.

2284
02:19:51,467 --> 02:19:52,510
Martha Reeves ARTIST, MOTOWN RECORDS.

2285
02:19:52,594 --> 02:19:54,429
It's kind of hard being a king.

2286
02:19:54,512 --> 02:19:56,806
You can get out of sorts.

2287
02:19:58,600 --> 02:20:04,606
I think he, kind of, like, isolated himself
from everyone who would say no.

2288
02:20:06,149 --> 02:20:08,693
BILLY DAVIS JR.: Everything he wants is,
”Yes. Okay Michael.”.

2289
02:20:09,736 --> 02:20:14,073
It's hard to have someone there.

2290
02:20:14,157 --> 02:20:15,408
Billy Davis, Jr.
SINGER, '5th DIMENSION'

2291
02:20:15,491 --> 02:20:18,161
to give you an honest answer,
an honest opinion.

2292
02:20:18,244 --> 02:20:20,705
KATHERINE: Joseph would always tell him,
"Michael, watch your people.

2293
02:20:20,788 --> 02:20:21,956
"Michael, watch your people. ”.

2294
02:20:22,040 --> 02:20:25,209
He said, "I trust my people.
My people are good people."

2295
02:20:25,335 --> 02:20:28,254
But that's not the case.

2296
02:20:28,338 --> 02:20:29,380
Katherine Jackson MICHAEL'S MOTHER.

2297
02:20:29,464 --> 02:20:31,299
People smile in your face,
pat you on the back

2298
02:20:31,382 --> 02:20:33,468
and stab you at the same time.

2299
02:20:33,843 --> 02:20:35,595
These people saw money,

2300
02:20:35,678 --> 02:20:36,804
Bobby Taylor
ARTIST, GORDY / MOTOWN RECORDS

2301
02:20:36,930 --> 02:20:39,098
and they saw somebody
who they could get to.

2302
02:20:39,432 --> 02:20:43,102
It was hard for Michael to say no,
as a kid and as an adult.

2303
02:20:45,939 --> 02:20:48,900
Because he generated so much wealth
and so much profit,

2304
02:20:48,983 --> 02:20:50,526
Thomas A. Mesereau, Jr.
JACKSON'S ATTORNEY, 2005 TRIAL

2305
02:20:50,610 --> 02:20:53,029
he became the repeated target
of unsavoury characters,

2306
02:20:53,112 --> 02:20:54,739
many of them mediocre,

2307
02:20:54,822 --> 02:20:58,326
who tried to get near him,
promise him the moon

2308
02:20:58,451 --> 02:21:01,704
and then profit themselves
by being around him.

2309
02:21:01,788 --> 02:21:05,625
And I think he received some tremendously
bad advice throughout his career

2310
02:21:05,708 --> 02:21:07,085
when it came to finances.

2311
02:21:07,335 --> 02:21:10,672
Michael was an easy touch,

2312
02:21:10,797 --> 02:21:13,591
and anybody could take advantage of him

2313
02:21:13,758 --> 02:21:17,720
just because he trusted everybody's word.

2314
02:21:18,388 --> 02:21:22,100
Michael would bring random people
into his life for business deals.

2315
02:21:22,183 --> 02:21:25,937
They would offer him the world
and Michael would believe them.

2316
02:21:26,896 --> 02:21:30,858
Michael told me he only committed
to 10 shows at the O2 dome

2317
02:21:30,942 --> 02:21:32,485
for his comeback concerts.

2318
02:21:32,694 --> 02:21:35,697
When he found out
that he was committed to 50 shows

2319
02:21:35,780 --> 02:21:38,658
and there was no way of getting out of it,

2320
02:21:38,741 --> 02:21:39,784
he snapped.

2321
02:21:40,076 --> 02:21:44,205
He felt like they'd tricked him,
he was put up against the wall

2322
02:21:44,914 --> 02:21:48,543
and let down by people,
or misled, I should say.

2323
02:21:50,545 --> 02:21:54,674
It was thrown on him by his manager

2324
02:21:55,216 --> 02:22:00,430
and, in his state of mind,
he could've said yes to anything.

2325
02:22:00,596 --> 02:22:03,016
After I heard that he was doing
those many shows,

2326
02:22:03,099 --> 02:22:04,517
I started calling him, telling him...

2327
02:22:04,642 --> 02:22:07,311
Then I heard how they were gonna
do 'em every other day,

2328
02:22:07,395 --> 02:22:11,149
and I told him he couldn't do it that way.
He had to rest.

2329
02:22:11,232 --> 02:22:12,900
And I kept after them.

2330
02:22:16,946 --> 02:22:18,781
DILEO: The wear and tear

2331
02:22:19,240 --> 02:22:20,950
of all the managers,

2332
02:22:21,367 --> 02:22:24,495
all the promises that they didn't live up to,

2333
02:22:24,662 --> 02:22:26,039
took its toll.

2334
02:22:26,998 --> 02:22:31,586
Probably, a more stronger person
would be able to fight through a lot of that,

2335
02:22:31,669 --> 02:22:33,212
and a lot of them have.

2336
02:22:33,463 --> 02:22:36,674
Frank Sinatra, he was pursued the same way

2337
02:22:37,050 --> 02:22:39,969
but he seemed to be a person
who could put people at bay.

2338
02:22:40,261 --> 02:22:44,140
But it seemed like Michael has
a certain type of frailty to his self

2339
02:22:44,390 --> 02:22:48,061
and it wouldn't allow him
to be very strong-minded

2340
02:22:48,144 --> 02:22:50,938
or to be forceful with a lot of people.

2341
02:22:51,147 --> 02:22:54,358
KATHERINE: Everybody he met,
he trusted them, for some reason.

2342
02:22:55,318 --> 02:23:01,616
And I think that's why Michael
was taken advantage of so much.

2343
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:08,164
Doctors are human beings, too,

2344
02:23:08,247 --> 02:23:10,124
and they get star-struck,

2345
02:23:10,208 --> 02:23:13,711
and they want a little touch of that fame,

2346
02:23:13,795 --> 02:23:17,882
and they wanna be able to say,
"I'm Michael Jackson's doctor."

2347
02:23:18,925 --> 02:23:22,011
Michael would doctor shop,
like a lot of celebrities do,

2348
02:23:22,095 --> 02:23:24,514
and he'd find the doctor,

2349
02:23:24,639 --> 02:23:29,018
just the right one, who would do the thing
that Michael wanted him to do.

2350
02:23:29,102 --> 02:23:32,688
Michael felt that he needed to escape,

2351
02:23:33,022 --> 02:23:36,526
and he had always been suffering
from insomnia,

2352
02:23:36,651 --> 02:23:39,195
from as far back as I can remember.

2353
02:23:39,487 --> 02:23:41,531
CASCIO: Michael Jackson did have a problem.

2354
02:23:41,614 --> 02:23:43,533
Do I believe he was an addict?

2355
02:23:43,658 --> 02:23:46,786
No, I don't believe Michael Jackson
was a drug addict.

2356
02:23:47,620 --> 02:23:49,497
He went through cycles.

2357
02:23:49,956 --> 02:23:54,877
It really depended on what was happening
in his life and in his world.

2358
02:23:55,128 --> 02:23:58,840
KATHERINE: I had no reason to think
or believe that he was on drugs

2359
02:23:58,965 --> 02:24:02,051
until my children came to me one time
and they said it,

2360
02:24:02,135 --> 02:24:05,054
and I said,
"Well, I've never seen him in that shape."

2361
02:24:05,138 --> 02:24:08,057
Then I went to him
and I talked to him about it,

2362
02:24:08,182 --> 02:24:10,184
and he kept denying it.

2363
02:24:13,396 --> 02:24:17,358
DILEO: I asked him, I said, "Now, Michael,
is there any problems I should know about?"

2364
02:24:18,067 --> 02:24:19,360
"What do you mean?"

2365
02:24:19,485 --> 02:24:23,156
I said, "Well, you know,
once in a while you seem a little dizzy.

2366
02:24:23,239 --> 02:24:24,490
”You wanna go to rehab?”

2367
02:24:24,740 --> 02:24:29,662
"No. No! There you go. See?
Now, why would you assume that?

2368
02:24:29,745 --> 02:24:33,541
"I'm not taking anything, Frank.
I'm not doing one thing."

2369
02:24:34,417 --> 02:24:36,002
TARABORRELLI: One of the people
working for him said,

2370
02:24:36,085 --> 02:24:39,422
”You won't ever guess
what this man is doing to get to sleep. ”.

2371
02:24:39,505 --> 02:24:40,590
And I Said, "What?"

2372
02:24:40,673 --> 02:24:43,009
And I was told he's using an anaesthetic.

2373
02:24:43,092 --> 02:24:45,178
And I Said, "What?

2374
02:24:45,678 --> 02:24:49,432
"How do you do that?"
I had never heard of such a thing.

2375
02:24:49,599 --> 02:24:54,437
He said, "Dude, I don't know what to tell you,
but that's what's going on."

2376
02:24:54,687 --> 02:25:00,193
Unfortunately, he did find doctors
who were willing to do this crazy thing

2377
02:25:00,276 --> 02:25:02,862
that ultimately led to his death.

2378
02:25:03,905 --> 02:25:06,282
Fire Paramedic 33.
What is the nature of your emergency?

2379
02:25:06,407 --> 02:25:10,244
ALVAREZ: We have a gentleman here
that needs help, he's not breathing.

2380
02:25:10,620 --> 02:25:13,414
NEWSCASTER: We have breaking news
for you tonight,

2381
02:25:14,415 --> 02:25:19,045
the singer Michael Jackson
is reported to have died from a heart attack.

2382
02:25:27,428 --> 02:25:31,140
I heard that my brother had passed away
through my sister Janet,

2383
02:25:31,224 --> 02:25:32,308
Tito Jackson MICHAEL'S BROTHER

2384
02:25:32,391 --> 02:25:35,645
who asked me to pull over
'cause I was rushing over to my mom's.

2385
02:25:37,230 --> 02:25:38,981
I just couldn't believe it.

2386
02:25:40,483 --> 02:25:45,655
So, I had to just sit in my car
and pull myself together,

2387
02:25:45,947 --> 02:25:47,907
you know, and I went over
to my mom's home.

2388
02:25:50,409 --> 02:25:53,329
The entire family had met that evening,

2389
02:25:53,412 --> 02:25:58,584
and was there condoling each other,
you Know.

2390
02:26:01,003 --> 02:26:02,338
It was rough.

2391
02:26:02,421 --> 02:26:04,840
Just the whole time
was a rough time in my life.

2392
02:26:05,591 --> 02:26:08,177
Rebbie Jackson MICHAEL'S SISTER.

2393
02:26:08,261 --> 02:26:11,847
It's so very difficult even to talk about it.
It really is.

2394
02:26:20,273 --> 02:26:22,024
PAYNE: I was heartbroken.

2395
02:26:22,984 --> 02:26:25,361
I was just totally heartbroken.

2396
02:26:26,612 --> 02:26:31,867
It was probably one of the most surreal.

2397
02:26:31,951 --> 02:26:32,994
Peabo Bryson SINGER

2398
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:39,709
and solemn days of life as we know it,
I would think.

2399
02:26:45,214 --> 02:26:47,675
I was devastated. I started to cry.

2400
02:26:47,758 --> 02:26:48,843
David Gest MICHAEL'S CLOSE FRIEND.

2401
02:26:49,719 --> 02:26:56,017
We had spent 40 years of our lives
as the closest of friends.

2402
02:26:57,351 --> 02:26:59,437
And I couldn't believe it.

2403
02:26:59,854 --> 02:27:02,815
I remember the feeling I got, you know.

2404
02:27:02,898 --> 02:27:04,108
Lamont Dozier
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND.

2405
02:27:04,233 --> 02:27:06,902
It was like somebody punching you
in the stomach.

2406
02:27:07,236 --> 02:27:09,280
God, it was just so...

2407
02:27:17,079 --> 02:27:19,415
EDDIE FLOYD: I didn't follow the news a lot.

2408
02:27:20,082 --> 02:27:22,418
I'll tell you why I didn't follow the news.

2409
02:27:22,543 --> 02:27:23,544
Eddie Floyd
SINGER / SONGWRITER, STAX RECORDS.

2410
02:27:23,627 --> 02:27:29,633
It's because of the people
exploiting the man.

2411
02:27:33,971 --> 02:27:35,639
That makes me sad.

2412
02:27:38,309 --> 02:27:40,644
EDWARDS: The night that Michael died,

2413
02:27:40,770 --> 02:27:42,980
the next show I did,
I mentioned Michael, too.

2414
02:27:43,105 --> 02:27:44,106
Dennis Edwards
LEAD SINGER, 'THE TEMPTATIONS'.

2415
02:27:44,231 --> 02:27:45,983
It just was...

2416
02:27:46,108 --> 02:27:48,361
People just stood up, you know.
They stood up.

2417
02:27:48,444 --> 02:27:51,447
And a lot of people took
their cigarette lighters out

2418
02:27:51,572 --> 02:27:52,948
and just lit it.

2419
02:27:53,324 --> 02:27:56,827
You know, it's just sad, man. It's sad.

2420
02:28:04,752 --> 02:28:06,629
TITO: It's just a sad moment,

2421
02:28:06,754 --> 02:28:11,133
to have to carry one of your brothers
to his grave.

2422
02:28:11,801 --> 02:28:16,347
MICHAEL: We would perform all night,
tell you the truth, every day.

2423
02:28:16,639 --> 02:28:18,933
It's not a good feeling.

2424
02:28:19,016 --> 02:28:22,144
It's a major part of you died with that.

2425
02:28:24,772 --> 02:28:26,982
MICHAEL: And there was this man's house,
who used to sell candy

2426
02:28:27,108 --> 02:28:31,320
we used to stop there and just load up,
eat candy for days.

2427
02:28:32,947 --> 02:28:34,824
KATHERINE: I never lost a child.

2428
02:28:36,784 --> 02:28:41,038
Children are supposed to bury their parents,
not parents bury their children.

2429
02:28:41,664 --> 02:28:44,166
And that's what hurt me the most.

2430
02:28:59,723 --> 02:29:04,520
Many days, I go back to his first cry,

2431
02:29:04,645 --> 02:29:07,815
from the doctor slapping him on his butt,

2432
02:29:07,898 --> 02:29:09,024
up till his death.

2433
02:29:10,401 --> 02:29:11,485
But

2434
02:29:16,699 --> 02:29:22,705
all the memories of Michael are fond to me.
I can't pick out any particular.

2435
02:29:31,213 --> 02:29:33,716
I'm happy with the children here,

2436
02:29:33,883 --> 02:29:37,720
and at the same time,
I'm sad because their father's gone.

2437
02:29:38,220 --> 02:29:41,557
They always say ”Daddy did it this way.

2438
02:29:41,724 --> 02:29:44,894
"Daddy used to do this.
Daddy used to do that."

2439
02:29:47,021 --> 02:29:50,065
Those kids are so proud of their father.

2440
02:29:52,276 --> 02:29:54,236
I can't find words.

2441
02:29:57,907 --> 02:30:00,409
To me, it's just such a loss, too soon.

2442
02:30:00,534 --> 02:30:03,034
Eddie Holland
SONGWRITER, HOLLAND-DOZIER-HOLLAND.

2443
02:30:04,205 --> 02:30:05,581
It left such a gap
and made us see what was missing.

2444
02:30:05,706 --> 02:30:06,707
Valerie Simpson & Nickolas Ashford.

2445
02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:07,833
SINGERS/ SONGWRITERS,
'ASHFORD & SIMPSON'

2446
02:30:07,917 --> 02:30:10,336
Why hadn't we embraced him?
Why hadn't we loved him?

2447
02:30:10,419 --> 02:30:13,088
PAYNE: He gave us so much love

2448
02:30:13,881 --> 02:30:16,133
and so much wonderful music.

2449
02:30:16,926 --> 02:30:20,429
And I think that this is what
we'll always remember him for.

2450
02:30:23,307 --> 02:30:26,727
I love the fact that everything he sang,
he sang from his heart.

2451
02:30:26,810 --> 02:30:30,773
And I love listening to him singing,
every record he's ever recorded.

2452
02:30:32,316 --> 02:30:37,279
Michael's legacy is that he will be known
as the greatest entertainer ever.

2453
02:30:38,531 --> 02:30:39,698
ROBINSON: Michael was a great talent.

2454
02:30:39,782 --> 02:30:42,993
He was the best overall talent
that I've ever seen in my life,

2455
02:30:43,118 --> 02:30:45,287
and I've been following talent
since I was three years old.

2456
02:30:47,289 --> 02:30:48,666
He was the best I ever saw.

2457
02:30:51,460 --> 02:30:55,339
I'll remember that little boy that I met
when he was 10 years old,

2458
02:30:55,464 --> 02:30:56,465
Dionne Warwick SINGER

2459
02:30:56,549 --> 02:31:02,513
that little feisty, cute,
incredibly talented youngster,

2460
02:31:03,180 --> 02:31:08,978
that went on to become one of the greatest
entertainers that ever lived.

2461
02:31:10,479 --> 02:31:12,147
There's only one Michael Jackson.

2462
02:31:14,984 --> 02:31:17,570
To me and my children,

2463
02:31:17,653 --> 02:31:18,737
Percy Sledge SINGER

2464
02:31:18,821 --> 02:31:20,489
he meant so much to our lives.

2465
02:31:22,324 --> 02:31:25,828
He was, to me, the greatest entertainer
I had ever seen in my life.

2466
02:31:25,911 --> 02:31:27,162
Whitney Houston SINGER.

2467
02:31:27,246 --> 02:31:30,165
He was a gentleman and he was very kind.

2468
02:31:30,874 --> 02:31:33,335
And I'll always love him, always.

2469
02:31:35,671 --> 02:31:37,798
REBBIE: He was one of the warmest

2470
02:31:37,881 --> 02:31:41,427
and most loveable persons
you could ever meet.

2471
02:31:43,846 --> 02:31:47,433
I think Michael's greatest achievement,
throughout his life,

2472
02:31:48,559 --> 02:31:50,644
was making people happy,

2473
02:31:50,728 --> 02:31:52,354
helping people.

2474
02:31:52,438 --> 02:31:57,234
If somebody needed an operation,
or a family starving that needed food,

2475
02:31:57,359 --> 02:32:00,571
he would send over groceries for a year
and things like that.

2476
02:32:00,904 --> 02:32:03,741
I think that's where
he really got his enjoyment,

2477
02:32:03,949 --> 02:32:07,953
seeing somebody sad become happy.

2478
02:32:08,078 --> 02:32:12,291
Those are the things he really wanted
to achieve that was beyond the music.

2479
02:32:13,292 --> 02:32:18,380
We will remember him
as this great showman and humanitarian.

2480
02:32:24,136 --> 02:32:25,304
When people say to me,

2481
02:32:25,387 --> 02:32:27,348
"Do you think of Michael
as being a tragedy?"

2482
02:32:27,431 --> 02:32:29,224
I just don't think of that at all.

2483
02:32:29,308 --> 02:32:32,561
I think that Michael's story
is one of triumph.

2484
02:32:33,771 --> 02:32:38,108
This is a man who was the total embodiment
of the American dream.

2485
02:32:38,233 --> 02:32:43,405
This is a guy who came out of Gary, Indiana,
and set the world on fire.

2486
02:32:43,614 --> 02:32:45,407
He did amazing things with his life.

2487
02:32:45,616 --> 02:32:47,326
Did he make mistakes? Yes.

2488
02:32:47,451 --> 02:32:50,996
But that's the humanity of Michael Jackson,
I think, that's most appealing.

2489
02:32:51,413 --> 02:32:53,999
DOZIER: He wanted to make the world
a better place.

2490
02:32:54,333 --> 02:32:57,503
That spirit of his is still around now.

2491
02:32:58,087 --> 02:33:03,133
The part that I loved the most about him
was that gentle friend side.

2492
02:33:03,425 --> 02:33:05,844
All the other things, everybody knows about.

2493
02:33:06,011 --> 02:33:08,681
But that part of Michael,
that's the part I love.

2494
02:33:09,264 --> 02:33:10,766
God bless Michael Jackson, you know,
'cause he was one of the greatest.

2495
02:33:10,933 --> 02:33:11,934
Kenny Gamble & Leon Huff.

2496
02:33:12,017 --> 02:33:14,517
PRODUCERS/ SONGWRITERS,
PHILADELPHIA INT. RECORDS

2497
02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:20,859
Michael Jackson became
the biggest pop star of all time

2498
02:33:21,777 --> 02:33:24,780
but that's not how I'm gonna remember him,

2499
02:33:24,947 --> 02:33:28,200
because he was just one great human being.

2500
02:33:29,993 --> 02:33:33,122
Rest well, my friend. I love you, M.

2501
02:33:34,456 --> 02:33:39,962
Katherine, how do you feel
Michael Jackson will be remembered?

2502
02:33:41,130 --> 02:33:45,968
Well, David, Michael practised one thing,
and it was from his heart,

2503
02:33:46,802 --> 02:33:48,971
L-O-V-E, love.

2504
02:33:49,847 --> 02:33:54,184
And I think he will be remembered
for the love that he had for the world,

2505
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:55,978
and especially for his fans,

2506
02:33:56,729 --> 02:33:58,480
and his family.

2507
02:33:59,022 --> 02:34:00,691
- Thank you so much.
- Okay.

2508
02:34:00,816 --> 02:34:03,902
- I love you. Can I have a big hug?
- Of course.