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I today announce my intention

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to nominate United States
Court of Appeals Judge Robert H. Bork

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to be an Associate Justice
of the Supreme Court.

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The drumbeat continued today
from both camps

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in the pitched battle
over the President's nomination

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of Judge Robert Bork to the Supreme Court.

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The lobbying is having an effect

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with the Senate mailroom
reported days behind

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under a deluge of mail on Bork.

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Mr. President, looks like the Bork
nomination will fail in the Committee.

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Over my dead body,

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The yeas are 42. The nays are 58.
The nomination is not confirmed.

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If we intend to turn
the United States Supreme Court

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into an election process,
let's change the Constitution,

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and let's elect a Supreme Court judge
of the United States.

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I, George Herbert Walker Bush,
do solemnly swear

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that I will faithfully execute the office
of President of the United States.

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Thurgood Marshall, the Supreme Court's

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first and only black justice,

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announced his retirement today,

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In a letter to President Bush, Marshall said,

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"The strenuous demands
of court work appear at this time

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"to be incompatible with
my advancing age and medical condition."

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President Bush said today his nomination

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to replace retiring
Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall

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could come in a few days,
but should that person be black?

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A minority appointment
could certainly neutralize

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a lot of potential opposition.

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Marshall warned that the emphasis on race

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in choosing his successor
might have negative results.

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My dad told me way back
that you can't use race.

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For example, there's no difference
between a white snake and a black snake.

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They'll both bite.

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This is a special report.

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We are told the President
is going to announce

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his nominee to the Supreme Court.

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Well, I am very pleased to announce

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that I will nominate Judge Clarence Thomas

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to serve as Associate Justice
of the United States Supreme Court.

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Clarence Thomas fits my description
of the best man at the right time.

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President Bush has moved to
cement the conservative majority

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on the United States Supreme Court

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by nominating federal judge Clarence Thomas

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to fill the seat left vacant by the
retirement of Justice Thurgood Marshall.

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As with Marshall, Thomas is a black man,

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a man born to poverty in a segregated South,

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a man who benefited from
the legal legacy of Justice Marshall.

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The more that people see
and hear of Clarence Thomas,

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the more they will be persuaded
that his brand of integrity

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and independence and common sense

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is exactly what we need in this time.

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In New York City today,
several thousand demonstrators

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protested against the Supreme Court decision
restricting abortion counseling

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and urged Congress to reject

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President Bush's nomination of
Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

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Clarence Thomas is an insult

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to the life and legacy of Thurgood Marshall

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and everything he stood and worked for.

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At a national gathering
of civil rights activists in Memphis,

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black leaders are vocal in their reaction
to the Supreme Court nominee.

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Simply to appoint a black person
doesn't make it right.

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We have to Bork Thomas.

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We don't wait for questions.
We simply immediately Bork him,

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kill him politically,
and kill Bush in the meantime.

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Ricki Seidman.

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Hey, Ricki, it's Nan
at the Alliance For Justice.

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You know that thing
we've been hearing all summer

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about how Thomas treated women
who worked for him?

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- Yeah.
- I finally found a name.

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In 1946, a black woman
wanted to study law here

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at the University of Oklahoma.

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At the time, it was illegal
for blacks and whites

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to study together in this state,
so Miss Sipuel sued.

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- What are you gonna do?
- Nothing.

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You don't want to say anything?

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This man could end up on the Supreme Court.

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At the EEOC,
I saw women have their lives ruined

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because they spoke out against
a manager at a diner.

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What do you think would happen to me?

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Okay.

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Lots of people will fight this nomination.
It doesn't have to be me.

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Okay.

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- Clarence Thomas?
- Yes.

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There you go.

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There he is.

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- There is the man of the hour.
- None of this...

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Now, what did I tell you?
What did I tell you 20 years ago?

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You said, "Come work for me,

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"and I'll only pay you $11,000 a year."

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What I said was... What I said was,
you have a huge future ahead of you.

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Judge Clarence Thomas appears

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headed for confirmation
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I think he'll be confirmed.
I think he should be confirmed.

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We'll find it
intellectually stimulating hearings,

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but I don't see many fireworks.

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Clarence, Ginni. First day of the hearings.
How you feeling?

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- Good. Glad to finally be here.
- Good. Good.

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Now just remember, some of these Democrats

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on the Committee are gonna be a hard sell.

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Worst case scenario,
seven of them vote against you.

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That still leaves seven voting for you.

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And a tie takes you to the full Senate.
We're in great shape.

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Even with the Democratic majority?

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Ginni, we only need 50 votes.
At last count, we had 60.

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And as popular as the President is,
number could even go up higher,

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so don't worry if you catch a little heat
in these hearings.

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Yeah, good to know that. Thank you.

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Let's get in there.

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- Judge.
- Senator.

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- Mrs. Thomas.
- Senator.

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In a clearly symbolic gesture,

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Strom Thurmond, ranking Republican
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and former segregationist, is escorting
Judge Thomas into the chamber.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I...

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I would like to first introduce you
to my wife Virginia.

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Welcome, Mrs. Thomas.
It's a pleasure to have you here.

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And my son Jamal.

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Welcome, Jamal.

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There are not enough words
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and appreciation to Senator Danforth.

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- Hello?
- May I speak with Anita Hill?

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- This is Anita.
- This is Ricki Seidman.

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I'm an investigator
in Senator Kennedy's office.

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I'm doing background checks
on Clarence Thomas

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in reference to his nomination
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I know you worked for Judge Thomas.

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Can I ask some questions about him?

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Miss Seidman, the hearings are starting.

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Isn't it late to be doing background checks?

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You worked for him twice, right,
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- That's right.
- Good experiences?

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I was proud of things we accomplished
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Professor, we've heard that Judge Thomas
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who worked for him at the EEOC.

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Do you know anything about that?

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That's not something I can talk about.

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Why not?

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I'll put it this way.

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If I were advising someone who were
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I don't think I would suggest
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In my experience, in a case like this,
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the victim tends to become the villain.

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Professor, in the next few decades,

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the Supreme Court will be
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that will have a real impact
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If there were less at stake, I wouldn't ask.

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Were you one of the victims of his advances?

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What I say is
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not for public consumption.

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Agreed.

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I wouldn't want it to appear
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I'll make it clear.

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I came to you.

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My earliest memories are those
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a life far removed in space and time

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from this room, this day,

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- this moment.
- It started at the Department of Education.

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But I have always carried
in my heart the values of my youth.

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The values of my grandparents
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The values of people
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in spite of all of the contradictions.

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It is my hope that
when these hearings are complete,

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that this Committee will conclude
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fair person.

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We begin tonight's coverage with
NBC's Andrea Mitchell on Capitol Hill.

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Clarence Thomas held
the Judiciary Committee spellbound today

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as he talked about
growing up in poverty and racism.

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- Why are you bringing this to me?
- You're an investigator.

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Follow up. Call her.

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I can't do that, not from this office.

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You know how Biden is
about this type of thing. He'd never...

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Carolyn, what she's alleging
is sexual harassment.

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It's against the law.

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Okay, so bring it to your own senator.
Have him deal with it.

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Kennedy can lead the charge
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Sexual impropriety isn't one of them.
We both know that.

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Fine, let's play this out.

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Say I do investigate and it pans out.
Then what?

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Then the Committee calls Thomas on it.

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And which senator is gonna take that on?

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Not mine. Certainly not yours.

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I don't know. Leahy maybe. Simon.

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Okay, but even if they were up for it,
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I mean, Ricki,

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half these guys have their own
very shaky dynamics with women.

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They are not gonna want this door to open.

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Well, they might not have a choice.

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The people who gave me Anita Hill's name
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If we don't, they'll probably leak it.

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So she's saying what? That he touched her?

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No, she says it was verbal.

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- Any other women saying the same thing?
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She does have
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A friend she told at the time.

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Somebody credible?

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A judge, and Hill is a law professor,
so, on paper at least, yes.

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When is she saying this happened?

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Ten years ago.

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Ten years ago?

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Carolyn, he's been approved
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- I know that.
- Why didn't she bring it up before?

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She didn't bring it up now, okay?

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We called her. She didn't want to talk about it,
and she really does not want this getting out.

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Yeah, no kidding. That makes two of us.

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I do not want to go after this guy
on a sex charge, Carolyn.

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This is, this is exactly
the kind of thing I hate.

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Yeah, I understand.

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And what if she's lying?
You understand that?

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Then you got me bringing up
a bunch of bogus dirt

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on a federal judge's past,
and I'm the bad guy in all this.

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She... She didn't want to talk about it?

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Not at first, no.

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Well, hell, I mean,
I don't want to force a reluctant woman

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to have to come in here
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This is...

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What if we just... Can we just let it go?

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Well, uh...

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We're not the, the only people
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Shit. All right, call the FBI.

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Have them look into the whole thing.

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They're gonna run
the whole gauntlet on this thing.

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They got to go quick on that report.
We've got to vote on this guy in a week.

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You didn't need to do this, you know.

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We have agents coming to interview you.

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Yes, but since the FBI
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I thought it was important that I say
what I have to say in my own words,

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so there's no room for misunderstandings.

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Judge Clarence Thomas?

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Yes.

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Anita Hill?

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Yes. Come in.

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Clarence?

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What's wrong?

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A former employee,

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someone I hired, mentored,

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told the FBI that
I was inappropriate with her...

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...that I harassed her...

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Sexually.

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Is there any basis for it?

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None. She worked for me.

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I treated her the same way
I treat other people working for me.

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- Then why is she saying this?
- I don't know.

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How can I answer that?

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Someone lies about me.
How am I supposed to know why?

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Don't yell. I'm just asking.

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I'm sorry. I'm upset.

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I don't understand.

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Maybe someone is putting her up to this.

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There are a lot of groups out there

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that can't stand the thought
of you on the Court.

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They can't beat you honorably,

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so they come after you like this,

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with lies and slander.

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But thank goodness the FBI is on it.

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They will see it for what it is, right?

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It's political nonsense.

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Okay. Thank you.

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So the FBI's looked into it.

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The upshot is,
she says one thing, he says another.

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How thorough was the investigation?

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Oh, it wasn't exhaustive.
Christ, they had two days to do it.

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It's a serious charge
that deserves serious attention.

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We got a vote scheduled
on this guy in two days.

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To dig into all this,
we're gonna have to postpone that,

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and I can't do that without an explanation.

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Neither of them wants this thing public,
so unless somebody has a better plan,

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we're gonna vote on the nominee
on Friday as scheduled.

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We'll send him on
to the full Senate for their vote.

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He showed the report
to the whole Committee?

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Yes, but it's fine.

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Clarence, these guys are senators.

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They know a BS ploy when they see one.

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And even if they wanted
to make something of it,

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which they don't, who would dare?

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I mean, DeConcini,
he's up to his neck in ethics charges.

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And Kennedy, after the summer he's had...

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You're saying I shouldn't care that
my name is gonna be linked to this garbage?

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You're saying that I shouldn't care

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that when people think of me,
they're gonna think of this?

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I'm saying no one will think of this.

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But I can't not care. I'm not Kennedy.

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I'm a black man in America.

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This is a very different thing for me.

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- Mr. Thurmond?
- Aye.

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- Mr. Hatch?
- Aye.

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- Mr. Simpson?
- Aye.

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- Mr. Grassley?
- Aye.

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- Mr. Specter?
- Aye.

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- Mr. Brown?
- Aye.

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- Mr. Biden?
- No.

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The 14 members of the Committee
split right down the middle,

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seven for and seven against his nomination.

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The message,
Thomas is not a great candidate.

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Still, his nomination was sent
to the full Senate,

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where it is all but certain

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that he will be confirmed.

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- Hello?
- Professor Hill, this is Nina Totenberg

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from National Public Radio.

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I received a copy of the affidavit
that you faxed the Judiciary Committee

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stating that Clarence Thomas
sexually harassed you.

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I'd like to ask you some questions.

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Jesus!

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God damn it. Fuck.

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"Fuck" is right.

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I have Nina Totenberg and Tim Phelps

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asking me about Clarence Thomas
and sexual harassment.

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God damn it.

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Did they say who leaked it?

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- No, of course not.
- All right, draw up a statement.

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Say the charges have been investigated,
found to be baseless.

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The President has total faith in his nominee.

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- Does the President know?
- I'll tell him.

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Hello.

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Hi!

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I'm gonna be in the news tomorrow.

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Um...

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Some of the things they'll be reporting
will be shocking to you.

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I'm so sorry for that.

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This is Weekend Edition. I'm Liane Hansen.

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A woman who served as personal assistant
to Clarence Thomas for over two years

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has accused him of sexually harassing her.

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NPR's Nina Totenberg reports.

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Law professor Anita Hill said she had much
in common with Clarence Thomas

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and that she initially believed
that common background

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was one of the reasons he hired her
as his personal assistant 10 years ago.

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According to Hill's affidavit,
Thomas soon began asking her out socially

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and refused to accept her explanation

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that she did not think it appropriate
to go out with her boss.

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Thomas, after a brief work discussion,

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would, quote, "turn conversation to
discussions about his sexual interests."

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He never touched her,
she acknowledged in an interview,

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and he never directly threatened her job,

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but she said she was 25,
and she began to worry

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that she would soon suffer professionally
if she did not submit.

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Several senators contacted by NPR
say they are troubled by the Hill allegations

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and the long delay in investigating them
by Chairman Biden.

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Carolyn, all right, look,
she's out there making it sound

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like we haven't done a goddamn thing on this.

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I want a full chronology,
who called who and when, all right?

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I'm not gonna be the bad guy on this thing.

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- Tom, I need those phone logs.
- What happened?

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I promised her this wouldn't get out.
I gave my word.

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That was pretty fucking stupid, wasn't it?

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Nothing like this stays secret in this town.
You should know that.

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Trouble today for President Bush's already
controversial Supreme Court nominee

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Clarence Thomas.

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Leading Democrats label the charges,
quote, "very disturbing."

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The senator says this is
the kind of thing one expects

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in the last moments of a political campaign,
not a judicial confirmation.

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The whole thing, says Danforth,
has a very definite and strong aroma to it.

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I just spoke with Mrs. Thomas.

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He's writing an affidavit.
He wants to release it to the press.

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Hell, no. Get on that.
Everything goes through me.

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Yeah.

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It's basically the same as yours,

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except instead of refuting her claims
one by one like you did,

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we thought it made more sense
to offer a single categorical denial.

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Why?

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It's just us being extra careful

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in the off chance that, at some point,
something was said by you.

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Some off-the-cuff comment,
not inappropriate,

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but which she took to be inappropriate.

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- You don't believe me.
- No, we do. We do.

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If something happened and you sign
anything asserting that it didn't,

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it's a misstatement of sworn fact.
It's grounds for impeachment.

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Forget the Supreme Court, Clarence,
you could lose your current job.

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I know that, Ken.

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- She's here!
- Professor Hill!

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Anita, did a political group
put you up to this?

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Do you have a personal vendetta
against Judge Thomas?

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The chronology of this woman
and her participation...

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Dozens of women in his office

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and only one person
testifies to this 10 years ago.

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I've always had my concerns about Anita.

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And I wonder, really,
if she knows what she did.

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The allegations that are being made

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are just absolutely unfounded
and absolutely not true.

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I am offended that there is a possibility

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that this opportunity
may be snatched from him.

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- Excuse me.
- Give us some room.

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- Okay. You okay?
- "Okay"?

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Have you heard
what people are saying about me?

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Ignore it.

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Is that what you'd do if people were lying
about you on national television?

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Good morning. I'm Dave Swank,

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Dean of the College of Law.

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Professor Hill, a member of our faculty,

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has asked an opportunity to hold
a press conference this morning

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to respond to some of the information

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which has been on the television
and in the newspapers.

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So without any more, Professor Hill.

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So that's her, huh?

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This is good. These girls always think
it'll help to talk to the press,

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and every time they come off looking cheap.

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Good morning.

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I... I have three points

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that I really want
to make clear here with you today,

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and afterward,
I will attempt to answer any question

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as fully and forthrightly as I can.

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The first point that I want to address today

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is the idea that this is somehow
part of a political ploy.

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Nothing could be further from the truth.

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This has taken a great toll on me
personally and professionally,

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and there is no way that I would do
something like that for political purposes.

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It's helpful perhaps for you to understand
how I came to make this statement.

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00:24:07.360 --> 00:24:11.888
I was approached by the Senate
Judiciary Committee in early September.

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00:24:12.520 --> 00:24:14.700
They approached me...

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...as someone who had worked
with Clarence Thomas.

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They asked me questions
about work that I had done there,

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and they asked specifically
about sexual harassment.

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Some people have said that
I have waited until the eleventh hour

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to bring this to the press.
I never came to the press.

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The press came to me.

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Do you think that
the attention that this is getting

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will affect the vote on Tuesday?

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I think you have to ask your senator.

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I don't know what effect it has or will have.

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What does the final resolution mean for you?
What do you want?

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If the senators fully
consider this information

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and come to a conclusion,
I will be satisfied.

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That is what I want.

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For them to fully consider it
and take this seriously.

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She doesn't look cheap to me.

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Based on your experience,

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do you feel he's not qualified
to be on the Supreme Court?

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00:25:16.840 --> 00:25:20.401
You're asking me, would I vote for him
to be on the Supreme Court?

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00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:32.889
Oh, boy, there's trouble.

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00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.060
In almost every Senate office in Washington,

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the phones have been busy all week.

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All right, thanks a lot for calling.

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Callers are angry about Clarence Thomas
and allegations about sexual harassment.

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Senate leaders say the Judiciary Committee

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already has investigated
the allegation against Thomas

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and they do not intend to delay
Tuesday evening's vote on his nomination.

436
00:26:00.800 --> 00:26:02.768
We're here to see Senator Mitchell.

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00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.260
Pat, this is a private Senate lunch.
Members of the House are...

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You're a public servant, George.

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00:26:08.840 --> 00:26:10.060
You don't have a right to privacy right now.

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00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.620
You need to delay the Senate vote on Thomas

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and hold a full hearing on these charges.

442
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:17.980
Look, I'm just as upset
about this as you are.

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- No, I doubt that.
- He's not the emperor.

444
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He can't stop or delay a vote
on the Senate floor just because...

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We know the damn rules, Joe.

446
00:26:25.160 --> 00:26:28.460
Well, Pat, then you know you need
unanimous consent from the entire body.

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00:26:28.560 --> 00:26:32.660
If, if you want to try to convince
each and every one of these guys...

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- Help yourself.
- ...be my guest, yeah.

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00:26:35.320 --> 00:26:36.367
Fine.

450
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:42.042
So much power, so little leadership.

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You heard those phones ringing.
You know what that sound was?

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It's the sound of 51%
of your constituents...

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00:26:50.120 --> 00:26:53.100
...saying if you vote for Thomas
without looking into this...

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...they will not forget it.

455
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.460
We are not postponing this vote.

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Just hypothetically, how long
would the postponement have to be?

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A real investigation of these charges
would take weeks.

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You can't hijack the process like that,

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00:27:07.040 --> 00:27:09.940
not when this woman had months,
years to speak up.

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00:27:10.040 --> 00:27:11.900
If you're gonna allow her to have a platform

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00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:12.980
for what she's saying,

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00:27:13.080 --> 00:27:15.890
- you'll be raising rumor to fact.
- Who the hell dug her up anyway?

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00:27:18.360 --> 00:27:19.420
We've lost too many.

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Take the full Senate vote right now,
we'll come up short.

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00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.020
Somebody leaked it.

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00:27:24.120 --> 00:27:25.900
Yeah, somebody on your Committee.

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00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.688
Jim, I got your message and I want to say
I think you are making a mistake.

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00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:35.370
If a cheap move like this
can derail anyone's nomination, then...

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00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:40.251
All right.

470
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.244
I understand, Jim,
and I thank you for calling me.

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00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.641
We can take the vote today, but you'll lose.

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00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:52.241
Clarence, it's Jack.

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00:27:53.080 --> 00:27:54.940
It's not that they
don't want to vote for you.

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They just don't feel they can with all
the heat they're getting on this thing,

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00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:01.380
so we need to delay the Senate vote
and hold a hearing.

476
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:03.687
Air all this out. Get these votes back.

477
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:08.964
The only way the Senate will approve
a delay is if you ask for it yourself.

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00:28:12.840 --> 00:28:14.444
Clarence, what do you say?

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00:28:18.280 --> 00:28:19.327
I...

480
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.806
I need an answer here, Clarence.
Tell me what we should do.

481
00:28:27.520 --> 00:28:29.807
For love of Pete! Give me the damn phone.

482
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.220
Alan Simpson here, Judge. How you doing?

483
00:28:32.320 --> 00:28:35.020
I can't take this, Senator.
I don't know why she's doing this to me.

484
00:28:35.120 --> 00:28:38.540
Well, buckle up your guts, pal.
There's no time for self-pity.

485
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:40.500
Somebody did this to me,
I'll tell you what I'd do,

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00:28:40.600 --> 00:28:42.900
and if you can't do that,
I will not vote for you.

487
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:44.860
You are going to get back on with Jack

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00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.646
and tell him you will do whatever it takes
to clear your name.

489
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:57.040
Clarence? Tell me what you want to do.

490
00:28:59.600 --> 00:29:03.420
The Senate has agreed to hold
hearings on your claims, Professor.

491
00:29:03.520 --> 00:29:05.460
We need to have you testify.

492
00:29:05.560 --> 00:29:08.140
In fact, we're gonna
reconvene here on Friday,

493
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.580
Friday? Senator, that's in three days.

494
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.060
And I'm supposed to prepare and travel and...

495
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.700
Don't worry about any of that.
I got a great young staff,

496
00:29:16.800 --> 00:29:20.247
who are gonna help you out with everything.
Logistics and your witnesses.

497
00:29:20.360 --> 00:29:22.900
How many will be allowed to testify
on my behalf?

498
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:24.580
Well, Anita, I...

499
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:29.300
Professor, I think Judge Thomas has got
two colleagues that he'll be calling on.

500
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:33.530
He's already chosen his witnesses.
When did he hear about this?

501
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:39.040
Oh, kiddo, I feel for you. I do.
You're about to head into...

502
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.180
Pardon my French. A real shit show here.

503
00:29:43.280 --> 00:29:46.523
I'll tell you, if I wasn't chairing
this thing, I'd be your lawyer myself.

504
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:48.401
You...

505
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.449
You have secured legal counsel, right?

506
00:29:52.560 --> 00:29:55.086
When would I have done that?
I had no idea I needed it.

507
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.620
Good evening, we begin tonight
with a tidal wave of doubt

508
00:29:58.720 --> 00:29:59.820
that swept through the Senate today.

509
00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:03.060
There's been no official announcement
yet of a vote delay,

510
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:05.620
but that's only because
they're still trying to decide

511
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.041
how long it ought to be,
how long it will be.

512
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:10.300
What do I hear every time
I walk on the floor?

513
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:11.700
"How's the civil rights bill, Jack?

514
00:30:11.800 --> 00:30:13.500
"What are you doing for us
on your civil rights bill?"

515
00:30:13.600 --> 00:30:17.730
Until this mess is resolved to my satisfaction,
I'm not doing one damn thing.

516
00:30:18.320 --> 00:30:21.767
Delay the vote a week?
Full Senate vote next Tuesday.

517
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.300
- That's not ideal.
- What about this is?

518
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.020
This is only to examine the charges
before the Senate vote.

519
00:30:27.120 --> 00:30:29.420
We do not revisit the Committee vote.
That stands.

520
00:30:29.520 --> 00:30:31.740
Of course! Of course!
Nobody wants to go backwards on this thing.

521
00:30:31.840 --> 00:30:34.491
Joe, I have known Clarence Thomas
for 17 years.

522
00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:35.940
I know him to be a man of integrity.

523
00:30:36.040 --> 00:30:38.460
If he tells me this never happened,
it never happened.

524
00:30:38.560 --> 00:30:40.881
Sounds to me like
you got nothing to worry about then, Jack.

525
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.728
This is Emma Coleman Jordan,
Georgetown Law Center.

526
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.380
She's putting together a legal team.

527
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:00.340
She's called harassment experts.

528
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.100
- Supreme Court experts, litigators.
- Great.

529
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.220
I also included my old roommate
Sonia Jarvis. Very smart.

530
00:31:07.320 --> 00:31:10.220
What about Charles Ogle tree?
He's an amazing litigator.

531
00:31:10.320 --> 00:31:12.482
Emma tried him. He can't do it.

532
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.100
He's up for tenure at Harvard.

533
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:17.680
Controversy doesn't go over
too well at Cambridge.

534
00:31:17.800 --> 00:31:18.961
Mmm-hmm.

535
00:31:20.040 --> 00:31:22.486
There's only two possible scenarios here.

536
00:31:22.800 --> 00:31:25.201
One, she's lying,
or two, she's telling the truth,

537
00:31:25.320 --> 00:31:27.060
in which case the President's an idiot,

538
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.128
and he nominated a pervert
to the Supreme Court.

539
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:31.700
Obviously, the second scenario
is unacceptable.

540
00:31:31.800 --> 00:31:33.060
We lost Judge Bork.

541
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.700
We need to use every resource at our disposal
to prove the first. Now...

542
00:31:36.800 --> 00:31:39.340
Absolutely cannot lose Judge Thomas.

543
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.340
We're not losing anybody, Senator Thurmond.

544
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.500
Polls are coming in 50-50,
people who support him versus her.

545
00:31:44.600 --> 00:31:46.540
Okay, so we have half a nation to convince.

546
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.689
I've been in touch with the networks.
We'll be live as long as we're in session,

547
00:31:49.800 --> 00:31:53.140
and we're bringing in a busload
of supporters from Georgia. Women.

548
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:57.020
It's a strong visual support.
The TV cameras will eat it up.

549
00:31:57.120 --> 00:31:58.326
We support Thomas!

550
00:31:58.600 --> 00:32:04.642
You put me down and the White House down
and our administration down as 100%

551
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.820
for Clarence Thomas
without wavering in any way.

552
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.540
They say you should make a TV address.

553
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:11.820
What are these things?

554
00:32:13.800 --> 00:32:15.040
Come on, Rita.

555
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:19.460
Tim, Senator Jack Danforth here.

556
00:32:19.560 --> 00:32:23.940
I hear you run the student Republican
Party there at University of Oklahoma.

557
00:32:24.040 --> 00:32:26.940
Listen, I think the senators on Judiciary
here in Washington

558
00:32:27.040 --> 00:32:29.300
need to hear from you
and other young Republicans

559
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:30.811
about this Anita Hill.

560
00:32:31.800 --> 00:32:33.380
Well, call us or fax us

561
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.380
because here in DC,
we have no idea who this woman is.

562
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.845
None whatsoever.

563
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:46.520
I think it's a cruel thing we're witnessing,
a very sad and harsh thing.

564
00:32:46.800 --> 00:32:48.140
Anita Hill will be sucked

565
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:50.686
right into the very thing
she wanted to avoid most.

566
00:32:51.320 --> 00:32:57.460
She will be injured and destroyed
and belittled and hounded and harassed.

567
00:32:57.560 --> 00:33:00.086
Real harassment.
Different from the sexual kind.

568
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:03.211
Plain old Washington variety harassment.

569
00:33:09.280 --> 00:33:10.500
Is it the truth, Ms. Hill?

570
00:33:10.600 --> 00:33:11.820
How long did the relationship last?

571
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.140
Is it true? Is the story true?

572
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.242
Are you gonna get a job
on the Hill after this?

573
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.300
Sonia. What are you doing here?

574
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.740
I thought someone other than a bodyguard
should help you through this.

575
00:33:21.840 --> 00:33:23.580
- Can I take that?
- I got a car for you.

576
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:24.681
Thank you.

577
00:33:32.320 --> 00:33:33.924
Step off, ma'am. Step off.

578
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:54.121
Get closer.

579
00:33:55.520 --> 00:33:56.965
A little more. A little more.

580
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:19.860
- Come on!
- I don't know.

581
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:21.564
- Lady, really?
- Sorry. I don't know.

582
00:34:33.640 --> 00:34:35.220
They earned law degrees at Yale

583
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.140
and went to Washington
to begin their careers.

584
00:34:37.240 --> 00:34:40.300
Now, in the nation's capital
and before the world,

585
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.900
they are at opposite ends
of a personal, legal,

586
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:46.800
political, and emotional dispute
of historic proportions.

587
00:34:54.040 --> 00:34:55.300
- Ma'am.
- Thank you.

588
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:56.481
You're welcome.

589
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.140
Here she is. You found us. Good.

590
00:34:59.240 --> 00:35:01.500
Great to see you.
Wish it was under different circumstances.

591
00:35:01.600 --> 00:35:03.045
Hi, Anita. Janet Napolitano.

592
00:35:03.160 --> 00:35:04.460
Ms. Hill, I'm Warner Gardner.

593
00:35:04.560 --> 00:35:06.380
Anita, hi. Judith Resnik.

594
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:08.580
- Hi, Anita. I'm Michele Roberts.
- Pleasure.

595
00:35:08.680 --> 00:35:10.100
- Sue Ross.
- Hi.

596
00:35:10.200 --> 00:35:11.380
Anita, I'm John Frank.

597
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:12.460
- Thank you.
- It's my pleasure.

598
00:35:12.560 --> 00:35:14.660
Professor Hill, Charles Ogle tree.

599
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.740
- I'd heard you were unavailable.
- I worked it out.

600
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:20.260
Well, we have a lot to do
and little time in which to do it.

601
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:21.521
Let's get started.

602
00:35:22.520 --> 00:35:24.488
You worked for him all of what, two years?

603
00:35:25.040 --> 00:35:26.166
Two and a half.

604
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:27.961
Hmm.

605
00:35:28.520 --> 00:35:32.002
And you were both single all that time?

606
00:35:32.200 --> 00:35:35.409
Yes. Well, I had a dating life, as did he.

607
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:36.921
Hmm.

608
00:35:38.720 --> 00:35:42.140
Excuse me. You never dated each other?

609
00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:43.401
No.

610
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.580
I mean, not even two colleagues
at the end of the day,

611
00:35:46.680 --> 00:35:47.780
"Hey, let's go catch a movie"?

612
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.420
Why would I do that?
I couldn't stand to be around him.

613
00:35:50.520 --> 00:35:51.740
- Is that right?
- Yes.

614
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.411
Hmm? Starting when?
At Education or the EEOC?

615
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.460
I suppose you're trying to find out
why I followed him.

616
00:35:57.560 --> 00:35:59.100
Anita, you did stay in touch with him.

617
00:35:59.200 --> 00:36:01.860
By that, if you mean
that there was occasionally a reason

618
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.566
for me to call him on professional
matters, then yes, I...

619
00:36:04.680 --> 00:36:08.100
What about the office Christmas party?

620
00:36:08.200 --> 00:36:09.740
What party?

621
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.820
Nat King Cole roasting chestnuts,
too much eggnog.

622
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:14.140
You get a little sloppy.

623
00:36:14.240 --> 00:36:15.620
- You wind up knocking boots with the boss.
- No. No.

624
00:36:15.720 --> 00:36:17.380
- Happens all the time.
- Absolutely not. Not to me.

625
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:18.660
- No?
- No.

626
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:19.940
Charles, I don't know

627
00:36:20.040 --> 00:36:22.340
- what the hell goes on at Cambridge.
- No judgment.

628
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.500
But I do not get sloppy.
That is not who I am.

629
00:36:26.600 --> 00:36:29.300
And for you to imply that it might be means

630
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.660
that you are grossly mistaken
about me personally,

631
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:32.780
and more importantly tells me

632
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.963
that you need to learn
the damn truth about sexual harassment.

633
00:36:37.240 --> 00:36:38.287
Hmm.

634
00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:43.287
Okay?

635
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:45.967
Okay.

636
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:49.883
And tomorrow will be much worse.

637
00:36:51.080 --> 00:36:52.206
Yeah.

638
00:36:57.640 --> 00:37:00.860
There is in Washington almost
a giddy sense of anticipation

639
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:02.540
about the impending drama.

640
00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:06.220
It's like the flash of lightning
in the summer sky just before a big storm,

641
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.420
and all around town
it's all anyone's talking about.

642
00:37:09.520 --> 00:37:13.366
Oh, yes, it's much more fun
than talking about national health insurance.

643
00:37:15.120 --> 00:37:19.460
Joe. Joe, you are not seriously
having Anita Hill testify first, are you?

644
00:37:19.560 --> 00:37:22.780
She's the one who made the claim.
She's asked to go first, so yes.

645
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.180
She's already gone first.
She's told her story to the media.

646
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:30.180
Her claims are out there,
and they are hanging over Clarence's head.

647
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.340
That is exactly why in these proceedings,

648
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.364
Clarence deserves the right
to speak first and clear his name.

649
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.620
- So you're asking me to change the order?
- Yes, I am.

650
00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:41.660
The hearing is less than 12 hours away.

651
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.843
You're the chairman, Joe.
You know what's right here.

652
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.580
So, listen, you go on and get some sleep.

653
00:37:54.680 --> 00:37:56.100
- I'll meet you at the hotel in the morning.
- Hang on.

654
00:37:56.200 --> 00:37:58.680
- We'll ride over together.
- Hang on, guys. Change of plans.

655
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.380
They switched the order.
They're gonna let Thomas testify first.

656
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.660
Danforth convinced Biden
the order wasn't fair to Thomas.

657
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.780
But that doesn't make any sense.
The hearings are about my charges.

658
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.900
What is there to talk about
until I introduce them?

659
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.020
It's strategic.
You get out in front first, you set the tone.

660
00:38:13.120 --> 00:38:16.580
But he can't just make a big change
like this hours before we start.

661
00:38:16.680 --> 00:38:19.729
He's the chairman.
He can do whatever he wants.

662
00:38:29.040 --> 00:38:32.740
Judge Clarence Thomas is,
as surely the whole country knows now,

663
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.460
accused by Professor Anita Hill
of sexually harassing her

664
00:38:36.560 --> 00:38:37.660
when he was the head

665
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.020
of the Equal Employment
Opportunity Commission,

666
00:38:40.120 --> 00:38:43.300
the government agency
where one would file a complaint

667
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.404
of sexual harassment if one felt
they had been victimized by it.

668
00:38:47.080 --> 00:38:51.300
The country has not heard
from Judge Thomas in person all week,

669
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.260
though he did issue a statement
denying all the charges against him.

670
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.860
Sometime after Judge Thomas testifies,
Professor Hill will be called.

671
00:38:57.960 --> 00:38:59.860
The Judiciary Committee stands accused

672
00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:02.980
of not taking these charges seriously
when they were made.

673
00:39:03.080 --> 00:39:05.500
And this week at least,
virtually the entire Senate

674
00:39:05.600 --> 00:39:09.286
stands accused of being indifferent
to women's rights.

675
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.728
The number six Oklahoma Sooner
drive for perfection is over.

676
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:40.540
Their dream for an undefeated season
saw its biggest test and challenge last week

677
00:39:40.640 --> 00:39:43.620
during the Red River shootout
at the Cotton Bowl in Dallas...

678
00:39:43.720 --> 00:39:45.006
Football?

679
00:39:46.640 --> 00:39:48.020
It relaxes me.

680
00:39:48.120 --> 00:39:49.780
...swarming throughout the game.

681
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.380
Oklahoma could not
get anything done offensively

682
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.580
while being held to under 100 yards passing.

683
00:39:55.680 --> 00:39:58.220
Anti-Thomas protesters rallied this morning

684
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:00.846
before what is expected to be
a dramatic Senate hearing.

685
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:05.540
Supporters of Judge Thomas gathered
to show solidarity for the nominee, and...

686
00:40:05.640 --> 00:40:08.780
...despite this outstanding
24-yard touchdown catch

687
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.740
by running back Ted Long.

688
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.605
Quarterback Cale Gundy
was under constant pressure...

689
00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:15.380
That was a hell of a throw.

690
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:18.006
...late fumble recovery for
the winning touchdown late in the game.

691
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:49.420
We're wasting time.

692
00:40:52.160 --> 00:40:56.131
I'm sorry for this setting.
It's the only quiet spot around here.

693
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:07.649
In Acts, how do Paul and Silas
prepare for trial?

694
00:41:10.720 --> 00:41:11.960
They sing.

695
00:41:26.080 --> 00:41:28.128
Where's Clarence? They're ready for him.

696
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:34.780
Judge, do you swear to tell the truth,

697
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.460
the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth, so help you God?

698
00:41:37.560 --> 00:41:38.925
I do.

699
00:41:40.520 --> 00:41:44.081
Mr. Chairman, Senator Thurmond,

700
00:41:46.040 --> 00:41:47.451
members of the Committee.

701
00:41:49.240 --> 00:41:54.007
As excruciatingly difficult
as the last two weeks have been,

702
00:41:56.320 --> 00:42:01.008
I welcome the opportunity
to clear my name today.

703
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:08.647
The first I learned of the allegations
by Professor Anita Hill

704
00:42:10.680 --> 00:42:14.401
was on September 25th, 1991,

705
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.931
when the FBI came to my home

706
00:42:20.640 --> 00:42:23.246
to investigate her allegations.

707
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:30.283
When informed by the FBI agent
of the nature of the allegations

708
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:33.845
and the person making them,

709
00:42:36.040 --> 00:42:39.965
I was shocked, surprised,

710
00:42:41.640 --> 00:42:45.531
hurt, and enormously saddened.

711
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:53.085
I cannot imagine anything
that I said or did to Anita Hill

712
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:55.971
that could have been mistaken
for sexual harassment.

713
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.700
If there is anything
that has been misconstrued

714
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:01.325
by Anita Hill or anyone else,

715
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:08.164
then I can say that I am so very sorry
and wish I had known.

716
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:11.740
Thank you so much for calling.

717
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:13.922
That's great. Thank you. It's very helpful.

718
00:43:14.600 --> 00:43:15.647
Okay, thanks.

719
00:43:17.160 --> 00:43:20.260
That's three more friends of Anita's
in addition to the one we already knew about

720
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.648
who remember her telling them at the time
that Thomas was harassing her.

721
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.220
Go to the chairman's office.
Tell them we need to fly these people in.

722
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.402
- They can all testify together.
- Got it.

723
00:43:28.680 --> 00:43:33.322
...or this country can do
to give me my good name back.

724
00:43:36.680 --> 00:43:38.860
I am not going to engage in discussions,

725
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.282
nor will I submit to roving questions
of what goes on

726
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.726
in the most intimate parts of my private life

727
00:43:47.600 --> 00:43:49.841
or the sanctity of my bedroom.

728
00:43:50.240 --> 00:43:53.050
These are the most intimate parts
of my privacy.

729
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:55.644
And they will remain just that.

730
00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:57.921
Private.

731
00:44:00.720 --> 00:44:03.485
Thank you, Judge.
You will not be asked to.

732
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:08.881
Um...

733
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:14.526
What's he doing?

734
00:44:15.600 --> 00:44:18.100
Realizing unless we can
introduce Hill's affidavit,

735
00:44:18.200 --> 00:44:20.851
he's got nothing to ask Thomas about.

736
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:24.410
Before I begin my questioning,

737
00:44:25.720 --> 00:44:27.380
um, Judge, I just want to point out
to the Committee

738
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:31.380
that we are somewhat limited
to permissible questions at this stage.

739
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.324
- Limited why?
- I understand, as recently as late last night,

740
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:38.660
Professor Hill has asked us to maintain
the confidentiality of her statement.

741
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:40.728
- I said no such thing.
- I know.

742
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:41.841
Hmm.

743
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:45.540
This is an open forum
in the nomination process

744
00:44:45.640 --> 00:44:48.100
to allow her attorneys or her...

745
00:44:48.200 --> 00:44:51.740
I said I'd present my statement myself
when I testified.

746
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.660
Biden changed the rules.
He can't blame this on me.

747
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:54.940
I'm calling him.

748
00:44:55.040 --> 00:44:58.660
Now that this man's reputation
has been very badly hurt...

749
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.001
- Senator, would you please yield?
- I'm not finished yet.

750
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.500
She wants to tell her own tale
and maintain the confidentiality,

751
00:45:05.600 --> 00:45:08.020
I gather from
Chairman Biden's description of this.

752
00:45:08.120 --> 00:45:11.220
Biden just misrepresented
my client as not being forthcoming.

753
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:13.260
If he had stuck with the plan
for her to go first,

754
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.660
we would not be having this problem.
This is not her doing.

755
00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:19.020
Well, if Professor Hill would just allow
for her affidavit to be released,

756
00:45:19.120 --> 00:45:20.540
then they'd be able to
question Judge Thomas.

757
00:45:20.640 --> 00:45:21.700
No. No. That was never the plan.

758
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:26.647
The plan was for her to present her charges
in person, which she is fully prepared to do.

759
00:45:27.680 --> 00:45:31.700
Okay, well, then I guess we need her here
at the Senate building now.

760
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.700
And you need to have Biden clarify this now.

761
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.007
Fine, yes, just get her over here.

762
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:43.060
Orrin Hatch of the Republican minority side
of the Committee is, for the moment,

763
00:45:43.160 --> 00:45:44.220
taking charge of the Committee.

764
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.060
This is just an extraordinary development.

765
00:45:46.160 --> 00:45:48.420
When you have a member
of a Senate Committee saying

766
00:45:48.520 --> 00:45:50.980
"If you don't allow
a certain procedure to take place,

767
00:45:51.080 --> 00:45:55.220
"I'm gonna resign from the Committee
and quit," as Senator Hatch just did,

768
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:56.980
now, that doesn't happen up here every day.

769
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:07.080
Hearing will come to order.

770
00:46:07.520 --> 00:46:10.364
Committee has resolved the impasse
the following way.

771
00:46:12.200 --> 00:46:18.420
Professor Hill has indicated on the telephone
that she is prepared to release her statement.

772
00:46:18.520 --> 00:46:21.380
We will excuse temporarily Judge Thomas,

773
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:25.060
and we will call momentarily,
as a witness, Anita Hill.

774
00:46:25.160 --> 00:46:26.940
Professor Hill will be sworn

775
00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:29.420
and will make her own statement
in her own words.

776
00:46:29.520 --> 00:46:30.681
You did good.

777
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.780
- Is there a room set aside for Professor Hill?
- Not that I know of, sir.

778
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.405
- Then find us one, damn it.
- Yes, sir.

779
00:46:55.720 --> 00:46:56.801
Thanks.

780
00:46:59.720 --> 00:47:03.660
Not exactly concerned about
my comfort, are they?

781
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:05.967
Don't worry about that. You'll be fine.

782
00:47:12.720 --> 00:47:14.210
Why are you doing this?

783
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.366
I've got students more qualified than Thomas.

784
00:47:25.120 --> 00:47:26.565
Plus, I believe you.

785
00:47:35.720 --> 00:47:37.290
What about tenure?

786
00:47:40.120 --> 00:47:42.964
Hell, in 24 hours,
I'll be able to get any job I want.

787
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.487
Fuck tenure.

788
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:47.940
Come in.

789
00:47:48.040 --> 00:47:49.900
Professor, they're ready for you now.

790
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.411
Thank you.

791
00:48:49.160 --> 00:48:50.286
Hearing will come to order.

792
00:49:05.640 --> 00:49:06.940
Welcome, Professor.

793
00:49:07.040 --> 00:49:11.780
We thank you on behalf of the Committee for
making time for this. I know it wasn't easy,

794
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:15.202
and we appreciate that.
Uh, please stand to be sworn in.

795
00:49:18.240 --> 00:49:19.700
Do you swear to tell the truth,

796
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.406
the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth, so help you God?

797
00:49:22.520 --> 00:49:24.602
- I do.
- Okay.

798
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.210
Go ahead, then,
with your opening statement, please.

799
00:49:37.640 --> 00:49:39.460
- Mr. Chairman...
- Excuse me. Excuse me.

800
00:49:39.560 --> 00:49:44.980
I'm going to instruct the officers to not
let anybody in or out of those doors

801
00:49:45.080 --> 00:49:48.402
while Professor Hill is making
this opening statement, please.

802
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:51.700
Can we do that?

803
00:49:57.680 --> 00:49:59.250
Mr. Chairman,

804
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:02.084
Senator Thurmond,

805
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.167
members of the Committee.

806
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.220
My name is Anita F. Hill,

807
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:13.166
and I am a professor of law
at the University of Oklahoma.

808
00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:20.766
I was born on a farm
in Okmulgee County, Oklahoma, in 1956.

809
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.603
I'm the youngest of 13 children.

810
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.740
During this period
at the Department of Education...

811
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:36.287
- Are you watching in there?
- I'm not gonna watch at all.

812
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.683
But when they bring you back,
they'll assume that you saw it.

813
00:50:41.240 --> 00:50:42.730
They can assume whatever they like.

814
00:50:44.120 --> 00:50:45.963
I've heard enough of these lies.

815
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:53.060
After approximately three months
of working there,

816
00:50:53.160 --> 00:50:56.721
he asked me to go out socially with him.

817
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:04.121
What happened next
and telling the world about it

818
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:10.529
are two of the most difficult things...
Experiences of my life.

819
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:16.220
My working relationship
became even more strained

820
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:21.690
when Judge Thomas began to use
work situations to discuss sex.

821
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:27.900
He spoke about acts that he had seen
in pornographic films

822
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:32.700
involving such matters
as women having sex with animals

823
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.805
and films showing group sex or rape scenes.

824
00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:40.260
He talked about pornographic materials

825
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.220
depicting individuals with large penises

826
00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:48.450
or large breasts involved
in various sex acts.

827
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:55.885
On several occasions, Thomas told me
graphically of his own sexual prowess.

828
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:08.450
Because I was extremely uncomfortable
talking about sex with him at all

829
00:52:08.720 --> 00:52:12.361
and particularly in such a graphic way,

830
00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:16.100
I told him that I did not want

831
00:52:16.200 --> 00:52:18.060
to talk about these subjects.

832
00:52:18.160 --> 00:52:20.083
Somebody answer those.

833
00:52:20.560 --> 00:52:24.340
I would also try to change the subject
to education matters

834
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.540
or to nonsexual personal matters,

835
00:52:27.640 --> 00:52:31.247
such as his background or his beliefs.

836
00:52:32.040 --> 00:52:36.841
My efforts to change the subject
were rarely successful.

837
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:42.247
During the latter part of my time
at the Department of Education,

838
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:46.644
the social pressures
and his offensive behavior ended.

839
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.204
I began both to believe and hope

840
00:52:51.640 --> 00:52:58.125
that our working relationship could be
a proper, cordial, and professional one.

841
00:52:59.040 --> 00:53:02.726
When Judge Thomas was made
chair of the EEOC,

842
00:53:03.080 --> 00:53:06.801
I needed to face the question
of whether to go with him.

843
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:10.887
I was asked to do so, and I did.

844
00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:14.047
The work itself was interesting

845
00:53:14.200 --> 00:53:16.340
and at that time it appeared

846
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:21.162
that the sexual overtures
which had so troubled me had ended.

847
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:26.727
However, during the fall and winter of 1982,

848
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:28.646
these began again.

849
00:53:31.160 --> 00:53:36.326
One of the oddest episodes I remember
was an occasion

850
00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:40.047
in which Thomas was drinking a Coke
in his office.

851
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:46.126
He got up from the table
at which we were working,

852
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:50.321
went over to his desk to get a Coke,

853
00:53:51.120 --> 00:53:57.480
looked at the can, and asked,
"Who has put pubic hair on my Coke?"

854
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:04.004
On other occasions,
he referred to the size of his own penis

855
00:54:04.480 --> 00:54:06.562
as being larger than normal,

856
00:54:06.680 --> 00:54:12.323
and he also spoke of the pleasures
he had given to women

857
00:54:14.200 --> 00:54:15.361
with oral sex.

858
00:54:18.080 --> 00:54:22.927
Finally, he made a comment
that I will vividly remember.

859
00:54:24.280 --> 00:54:29.047
He said that if I ever told anyone
of his behavior,

860
00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:31.640
that it would ruin his career.

861
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:37.260
I have no personal vendetta
against Clarence Thomas.

862
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.700
I seek only to provide the Committee

863
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.885
with information
which it may regard as relevant.

864
00:54:47.040 --> 00:54:50.886
It would have been more comfortable
to remain silent.

865
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.489
I took no initiative to inform anyone,

866
00:54:55.040 --> 00:55:00.206
but when I was asked
by a representative of this Committee

867
00:55:01.200 --> 00:55:03.407
to report my experience,

868
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.807
I felt that I had to tell the truth.

869
00:55:09.640 --> 00:55:11.449
I could not keep silent.

870
00:55:25.160 --> 00:55:27.049
There's no way he survives this day.

871
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:33.780
Professor, before I begin my questioning,

872
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:36.451
I notice that you have
a number of people here.

873
00:55:36.560 --> 00:55:39.460
You've got friends or family
joining you here today?

874
00:55:39.560 --> 00:55:41.767
My family hasn't arrived.

875
00:55:42.120 --> 00:55:45.940
They... I'm sorry.
They are here, but they're in the hall.

876
00:55:46.040 --> 00:55:48.300
We will make room for your family.

877
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:50.846
It's a very large family, Senator.

878
00:55:51.200 --> 00:55:53.580
Well, let's...
Can we open those doors, please,

879
00:55:53.680 --> 00:55:55.660
get Professor Hill's family in here?

880
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:57.780
If we can clear some of these chairs here.

881
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:00.540
If you're not essential,
maybe you can clear over here.

882
00:56:00.640 --> 00:56:01.687
Love you, baby.

883
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:05.881
Here you go.

884
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:13.900
What's the backroom conversation
at the White House?

885
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:16.940
I'm just speculating here, Peter.
It isn't over, and I don't know,

886
00:56:17.040 --> 00:56:19.500
but the sense that you get here,
although they won't say it publicly,

887
00:56:19.600 --> 00:56:20.931
is that they're pretty gloomy.

888
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:25.540
By all means, let's get loving close-ups
of the salt-of-the-earth parents.

889
00:56:25.640 --> 00:56:26.620
That's not prejudicial.

890
00:56:26.720 --> 00:56:28.051
Is the President watching?

891
00:56:29.640 --> 00:56:34.328
He's still behind the guy? Okay, yeah.
Just making sure. All right.

892
00:56:37.640 --> 00:56:38.641
I had to ask.

893
00:56:39.160 --> 00:56:41.140
I must ask you, Professor,

894
00:56:41.240 --> 00:56:45.700
to explain again
and more fully, if you would,

895
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:49.740
the behavior that you have alleged,

896
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.686
that you say went beyond, uh, professional,

897
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.489
um, business practices.

898
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.011
Did all that behavior take place at work?

899
00:57:01.680 --> 00:57:02.980
Yes, it did.

900
00:57:03.080 --> 00:57:06.100
And just in your own words, as best you can,

901
00:57:06.200 --> 00:57:09.100
can you tell the Committee
where each of these incidents

902
00:57:09.200 --> 00:57:11.540
that you mentioned in your opening statement

903
00:57:11.640 --> 00:57:13.165
took place specifically?

904
00:57:14.680 --> 00:57:16.300
Well, I recall specifically

905
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:22.328
that the incident about the Coke can
occurred in his office at the EEOC.

906
00:57:22.520 --> 00:57:23.965
What incident was that?

907
00:57:26.520 --> 00:57:31.924
The incident with regard to the Coke can
that's spelled out in my statement.

908
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:34.362
Okay, one more time again for me, please.

909
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:45.882
The, , uh, incident involved him

910
00:57:46.720 --> 00:57:48.020
going to his desk...

911
00:57:48.120 --> 00:57:51.329
Getting up from a work table,
going to his desk,

912
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:59.965
looking at a can, and saying,
"Who put pubic hair on my Coke?"

913
00:58:02.680 --> 00:58:08.722
And were there other incidents
that took place at the office?

914
00:58:11.080 --> 00:58:16.644
I recall at least one instance
in his office at the EEOC

915
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.300
where he brought up the substance

916
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:23.928
or the content of pornographic material.

917
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:27.921
And again for the record,
what was the content of...

918
00:58:29.040 --> 00:58:30.246
What the hell is he doing?

919
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:32.660
Does he think
people want to hear this trash again?

920
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:38.642
...to an individual who had, um,
a very large penis

921
00:58:39.320 --> 00:58:43.609
and used the name that he was referred to

922
00:58:44.120 --> 00:58:46.500
in the pornographic material.

923
00:58:46.600 --> 00:58:48.523
- Um...
- Do you recall what that was?

924
00:58:49.560 --> 00:58:50.686
I do.

925
00:58:55.080 --> 00:59:00.883
The name that was referred to
was Long Dong Silver.

926
00:59:01.240 --> 00:59:03.402
Jesus Christ Almighty.

927
00:59:06.160 --> 00:59:10.660
Can you tell the Committee here
what was the most embarrassing

928
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:12.444
of all these alleged incidents?

929
00:59:13.600 --> 00:59:16.206
I think the one that was
the most embarrassing

930
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.820
was his descriptions of pornography

931
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:23.860
involving women with large breasts

932
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:30.620
engaged in a variety of sex
with different people or animals.

933
00:59:30.720 --> 00:59:32.900
That was the thing
that embarrassed me the most

934
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.571
and made me feel the most humiliated.

935
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:41.660
Professor, I'm going to yield the floor now

936
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:45.660
to my good friend from Pennsylvania,
Senator Specter.

937
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:51.369
Professor Hill, you testified
that you drew an inference

938
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:55.246
that Judge Thomas might want you
to look at pornographic films,

939
00:59:55.680 --> 01:00:00.402
but you told the FBI specifically that
he never asked you to watch the films.

940
01:00:01.520 --> 01:00:02.820
Is that correct?

941
01:00:02.920 --> 01:00:08.740
He never said,
"Let's go to my apartment and watch films."

942
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:12.580
He did say,
"You ought to see this material."

943
01:00:12.680 --> 01:00:16.287
But when you testified, as I wrote it down,

944
01:00:16.720 --> 01:00:19.780
"We ought to look at
pornographic movies together,"

945
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.100
that was an expression
of what was in your mind.

946
01:00:22.200 --> 01:00:25.140
That was the inference that I drew, yes.

947
01:00:25.240 --> 01:00:30.060
What with his pressing me
for social engagements, yes.

948
01:00:30.160 --> 01:00:33.448
But the fact is flatly he never asked you
to look at pornographic movies with him?

949
01:00:34.640 --> 01:00:35.880
With him?

950
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.408
- No, he did not.
- No, he did not.

951
01:00:39.560 --> 01:00:42.131
Professor Hill, you said you took it to mean

952
01:00:42.240 --> 01:00:45.180
that Judge Thomas
wanted to have sex with you,

953
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:49.171
but, in fact, he never did ask you
to have sex, correct?

954
01:00:51.040 --> 01:00:54.249
No, he never asked me to have sex.

955
01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:59.300
He did continually pressure me
to go out with him.

956
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:03.007
He would not accept my explanation
as being valid.

957
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:05.243
You think she should be more emotional?

958
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.660
If she were, we'd be saying
she should be less emotional.

959
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:10.740
All right, all three networks
are going to stay live

960
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:11.980
as long as we're in session,

961
01:01:12.080 --> 01:01:14.620
so if we can keep her talking
for a few more hours,

962
01:01:14.720 --> 01:01:16.380
Clarence will have prime time all to himself.

963
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:17.925
Call the Committee. Let them know.

964
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:27.525
Professor Hill, what went
through your mind, if anything,

965
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:31.180
on whether you ought
to come forward at that stage?

966
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:35.420
If you had, you would have stopped this man
from being head of the EEOC.

967
01:01:35.520 --> 01:01:38.126
What went through your mind?

968
01:01:38.600 --> 01:01:40.940
How could you allow
this sort of reprehensible conduct

969
01:01:41.040 --> 01:01:44.203
to go on right in the headquarters
without doing something about it?

970
01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:52.340
I can only say that when I made the decision
to just withdraw from the situation

971
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.260
and not press a claim against him,

972
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:59.180
I may have shirked a duty,
a responsibility that I had.

973
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:03.330
And to that extent,
I confess that I am very sorry

974
01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:08.488
that I didn't do something or say something.

975
01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:12.380
But at the time, that was my best judgment.

976
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:17.566
It may have been a poor judgment,
but it was not dishonest.

977
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:22.530
It was not a completely unreasonable
choice given the circumstances.

978
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:27.900
I think it really does underscore

979
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.740
the basic difference how men and women
look at this issue.

980
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.340
I've had a number of occasions.
Did I report them? No.

981
01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.489
And for the same reasons you've heard
every other woman in this country state.

982
01:02:38.040 --> 01:02:42.568
There has been disclosed in the public
the records of certain telephone logs.

983
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.580
You've been quoted
in The Washington Post as saying,

984
01:02:45.680 --> 01:02:49.321
"Ms. Hill called the telephone logs garbage."

985
01:02:49.560 --> 01:02:52.300
Have you seen the records
of the telephone logs, Professor Hill?

986
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:53.420
Yes, I have.

987
01:02:53.520 --> 01:02:55.220
Do you deny the accuracy of
these telephone logs?

988
01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:56.300
No, I do not.

989
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:58.940
Then you now concede that
you had called Judge Thomas 11 times?

990
01:02:59.040 --> 01:03:02.044
I do not deny the accuracy of these logs.

991
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:03.851
So they're not garbage.

992
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:12.529
Senator, what I said was,
the issue is garbage.

993
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:15.460
Those telephone messages do not indicate

994
01:03:15.560 --> 01:03:21.329
that somehow I was pursuing something more
than a cordial relationship.

995
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:24.087
A professional relationship.

996
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:28.460
Each one of those calls was made
in a professional context.

997
01:03:28.560 --> 01:03:31.245
Several of those calls involved one incident

998
01:03:31.520 --> 01:03:34.569
where I was trying to act
on behalf of another group.

999
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:40.762
So the issue that is being created with
the telephone calls, yes, indeed is garbage.

1000
01:03:45.160 --> 01:03:48.300
If what you say this man
said to you occurred,

1001
01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:52.340
why in God's name
when he left his position of power

1002
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:55.180
or status or authority over you...

1003
01:03:55.280 --> 01:04:01.322
Why in God's name would you ever speak
to a man like that the rest of your life?

1004
01:04:03.680 --> 01:04:05.648
That's a very good question.

1005
01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:12.211
And I am sure that I cannot answer it
to your satisfaction.

1006
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.771
That is one of the things
that I have tried to do here today,

1007
01:04:18.600 --> 01:04:23.162
I have suggested
that I was afraid of retaliation.

1008
01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:27.485
I was afraid of damage
to my professional life.

1009
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:35.860
I believed that... You have to understand
that this kind of response is not atypical,

1010
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.780
and I can't explain it.

1011
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:43.966
It takes an expert in psychology
to explain how that can happen.

1012
01:04:45.120 --> 01:04:47.168
But it can happen.

1013
01:04:48.640 --> 01:04:50.483
'Cause it happened to me.

1014
01:04:57.240 --> 01:04:58.321
Well done.

1015
01:04:58.560 --> 01:05:00.660
But the fact of the matter is that

1016
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:03.300
Anita Hill was a very compelling witness

1017
01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:05.482
who told in graphic detail

1018
01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:08.300
how she was sexually harassed
by Judge Thomas.

1019
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:12.820
There's a feeling here that, that this witness
has held up pretty well this afternoon,

1020
01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.460
and there has been
a sense of apprehension about it.

1021
01:05:16.560 --> 01:05:17.846
Here she is.

1022
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.220
Let's face it, Clarence has
his work cut out for him tonight.

1023
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:27.483
No shit. We got to do
everything we can to back him up.

1024
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:30.500
- Everything.
- Excuse me. Excuse me, Mr. Duberstein.

1025
01:05:30.600 --> 01:05:33.260
I was asked to tell you that Senator Biden
decided to adjourn till tomorrow,

1026
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:34.540
so they're not gonna need
Judge Thomas tonight.

1027
01:05:34.640 --> 01:05:36.290
What? No fucking way. Move.

1028
01:05:37.200 --> 01:05:40.220
- You are not adjourning.
- Ken, everybody is completely exhausted.

1029
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.620
- We had an agreement. Same news cycle, Joe.
- I already got a tooth that's killing me.

1030
01:05:43.720 --> 01:05:45.529
This country's gonna hear
Clarence Thomas tonight.

1031
01:05:46.040 --> 01:05:47.620
It's either gonna be in there
at the witness table

1032
01:05:47.720 --> 01:05:51.300
or parked right outside this door
explaining to a bank of television cameras

1033
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:54.529
why Joe Biden is denying him
the right to defend himself.

1034
01:05:59.720 --> 01:06:02.644
Clarence. The car's here.

1035
01:06:06.520 --> 01:06:07.851
We're going to be late.

1036
01:06:10.680 --> 01:06:13.206
Did you talk to Jamal?

1037
01:06:17.760 --> 01:06:18.761
Yes.

1038
01:06:20.160 --> 01:06:22.128
- How is he?
- Angry.

1039
01:06:24.040 --> 01:06:25.326
He's confused.

1040
01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:27.925
What do I say to him?

1041
01:06:30.160 --> 01:06:32.561
How can I explain all of this stuff
that they say about me?

1042
01:06:33.440 --> 01:06:34.441
Hmm?

1043
01:06:35.200 --> 01:06:39.762
Vile things no child should ever have
to hear about their father.

1044
01:06:44.520 --> 01:06:46.860
And these men judging me,

1045
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:51.060
half of them are under an ethics cloud
at this very minute.

1046
01:06:51.160 --> 01:06:53.460
Money charges, sex charges.

1047
01:06:53.560 --> 01:06:57.380
You don't see their lives
going up in flames around them, do you?

1048
01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:58.606
Do you?

1049
01:07:00.200 --> 01:07:01.361
No.

1050
01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:03.889
They're gonna be just fine.

1051
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:24.849
- Judge, you may want...
- Senator, I would like to start by saying

1052
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:26.930
unequivocally,

1053
01:07:28.200 --> 01:07:29.804
uncategorically...

1054
01:07:31.680 --> 01:07:37.580
That I deny each and every single allegation
against me today

1055
01:07:37.680 --> 01:07:42.083
that suggested that I, in any way,
had conversations

1056
01:07:44.200 --> 01:07:45.884
of a sexual nature

1057
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:50.487
or about pornographic material
with Anita Hill,

1058
01:07:53.600 --> 01:07:56.843
that I ever attempted to date her,

1059
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:05.405
that I ever had any personal
sexual interest in her,

1060
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:11.886
or that I, in any way, ever harassed her.

1061
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:18.642
Second...
And I think it's the more important point.

1062
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:24.050
I think that this today is a travesty.

1063
01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:29.688
I think it is disgusting.

1064
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:33.809
I think this hearing

1065
01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:38.371
should never occur in America.

1066
01:08:40.480 --> 01:08:42.660
How would any member on this Committee,

1067
01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:44.524
any person in this room,

1068
01:08:45.360 --> 01:08:47.460
any person in this country

1069
01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:50.962
like sleaze said about
him or her in this fashion,

1070
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:56.811
or this dirt dredged up
and these lies displayed in this manner?

1071
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:04.889
This is a circus. It's a national disgrace.

1072
01:09:08.280 --> 01:09:09.884
And from my standpoint,

1073
01:09:12.400 --> 01:09:13.890
as a black American,

1074
01:09:16.080 --> 01:09:19.243
as far as I'm concerned,
it's a hi-tech lynching

1075
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:27.410
for uppity blacks who in any way
deign to think for themselves,

1076
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:32.085
do for themselves,

1077
01:09:34.320 --> 01:09:36.766
to have different ideas.

1078
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:46.242
And it is a message that,
unless you kowtow to the old order...

1079
01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:51.768
This is what will happen to you.

1080
01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:55.645
You will be lynched,

1081
01:09:56.480 --> 01:09:57.891
destroyed,

1082
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:01.846
caricatured...

1083
01:10:06.080 --> 01:10:10.449
By a Committee of the US Senate
rather than hung from a tree.

1084
01:10:43.480 --> 01:10:48.327
Judge, tomorrow we will reconvene.

1085
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:50.888
I assume, Judge... It's your choice.

1086
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:54.220
I assume you wish to come back tomorrow.

1087
01:10:54.320 --> 01:10:56.940
The Committee is not demanding
that you come back.

1088
01:10:57.040 --> 01:10:58.530
Would you like to come back tomorrow?

1089
01:10:59.040 --> 01:11:02.089
I think so, Senator. I'd like to finish this.

1090
01:11:04.200 --> 01:11:07.841
Most, most of the senators
who were, uh, on the Committee tonight.

1091
01:11:09.360 --> 01:11:11.540
Uh, I think, were stunned at the anger...

1092
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:15.740
It is impossible to absolutely
resolve these two stories.

1093
01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.100
Does he not have a point
when he says the leakage of this stuff,

1094
01:11:19.200 --> 01:11:23.420
the dirty character of it
amounts, in part at least,

1095
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:25.980
to an attempting
lynching of Clarence Thomas?

1096
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:31.566
- This is about sexual harassment.
- Agreed.

1097
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:35.500
And about his fitness to be
an Associate Justice on the Supreme Court.

1098
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.220
None of what he said has any relevance.

1099
01:11:37.320 --> 01:11:39.020
But this is not a judicial proceeding.

1100
01:11:39.120 --> 01:11:41.620
This is political theater,
and Thomas just performed.

1101
01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:43.060
- So he got you?
- No.

1102
01:11:43.160 --> 01:11:46.300
- I'm not saying anything he said was relevant.
- Mmm-hmm.

1103
01:11:46.400 --> 01:11:51.580
And I hate that it was him of all people,
but he did tell a truth.

1104
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:55.924
"A truth"? By saying that supporting me
is synonymous with supporting lynching?

1105
01:11:56.040 --> 01:11:58.220
- No, no, no. I'm not trying to say that.
- He is not the victim here.

1106
01:11:58.320 --> 01:11:59.620
I'm not trying to say that, either.

1107
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:01.580
- Then what are you trying to say, Charles?
- Listen.

1108
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:03.808
White folks are already talking this bullshit

1109
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.020
that this can't be about race
'cause you're both black, right?

1110
01:12:06.120 --> 01:12:08.700
- So what Thomas just did...
- No, listen to me. Listen to me!

1111
01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:14.420
My grandfather fled Arkansas
because he was threatened with lynching.

1112
01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:15.980
- I appreciate that.
- A real lynching.

1113
01:12:16.080 --> 01:12:19.300
Not this metaphoric kind
that Thomas is talking about.

1114
01:12:19.400 --> 01:12:21.084
But he doesn't care about that.

1115
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:25.651
He only acknowledged race
because it was about him.

1116
01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:28.820
But that's not right.

1117
01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:30.460
- I'm not saying it is right.
- It's not the issue.

1118
01:12:30.560 --> 01:12:32.820
- The issue is sexual harassment.
- But it was effective. Now, you think

1119
01:12:32.920 --> 01:12:36.288
any of those white boys on that Committee
are prepared to challenge him now?

1120
01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:45.761
You know what really pisses me off?

1121
01:12:46.840 --> 01:12:50.287
He's trying to dismiss you
precisely because you're a black woman.

1122
01:12:50.400 --> 01:12:52.780
- Hmm.
- You and I both know

1123
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:56.487
that this hearing and his nomination
would be in a very different place

1124
01:12:56.600 --> 01:12:57.740
if you looked like his wife.

1125
01:12:57.840 --> 01:12:58.841
Hmm.

1126
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:03.008
Good, you're still here.

1127
01:13:04.040 --> 01:13:05.690
You're not gonna believe this.

1128
01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:09.100
There's another woman.

1129
01:13:09.200 --> 01:13:12.060
Her name is Angela Wright.
She worked for Thomas after Anita Hill.

1130
01:13:12.160 --> 01:13:14.380
They never met,
never even heard of each other.

1131
01:13:14.480 --> 01:13:17.540
She's a newspaper editor now, but what
she really wants to be is a columnist,

1132
01:13:17.640 --> 01:13:20.325
so to prove herself to her bosses,
she wrote a sample column.

1133
01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:24.606
"I know Thomas is capable of doing
these things because he did them to me."

1134
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:29.331
We need to depose her.

1135
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:37.300
I can tell you that during the course of
the year that I worked for Clarence Thomas,

1136
01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:39.540
there were several comments that he made.

1137
01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:42.660
And Clarence Thomas
did consistently pressure me to date him.

1138
01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:44.180
- Right, and was there...
- At one point,

1139
01:13:44.280 --> 01:13:47.250
Clarence Thomas made comments
about my anatomy.

1140
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:48.500
- Can you...
- He often said,

1141
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.420
"I've got some fine women on my staff."

1142
01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:53.683
I remember him saying
that one woman had a big ass.

1143
01:13:54.040 --> 01:13:56.646
Clarence Thomas commented
on a dress that I was wearing

1144
01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:58.900
and asked what size my boobs were.

1145
01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:01.460
Clarence Thomas came
by my house at night...

1146
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:04.180
- Miss Wright...
- ...uninvited, spoke in general terms,

1147
01:14:04.280 --> 01:14:08.300
but then tried to move the conversation
over to the prospect of me dating him.

1148
01:14:08.400 --> 01:14:10.140
- Is this on?
- We're talking about a thing that, you know..

1149
01:14:10.240 --> 01:14:11.220
She can hear?

1150
01:14:11.320 --> 01:14:12.580
...pretty much pops out of
Clarence Thomas's mouth

1151
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:14.921
whenever the hell he feels like saying it.

1152
01:14:15.360 --> 01:14:16.820
Does the White House know about her?

1153
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:18.251
We sent over a copy of her deposition.

1154
01:14:18.360 --> 01:14:19.820
Oh.

1155
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:21.763
- They're gonna love that, aren't they?
- Yeah.

1156
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:23.620
Okay, triple-check her credibility.

1157
01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.660
I mean, these situations
pull all sorts of people out of the woodwork.

1158
01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:29.420
- Attention seekers.
- Yeah, I don't think that's the case here.

1159
01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:31.660
She didn't call us.
Someone else sent her column in.

1160
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:33.820
And she has a corroborating witness.

1161
01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:38.540
It took some convincing to get her to talk,
but, boy, once she started...

1162
01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:42.060
- A loose cannon?
- Possibly. Plus, he fired her.

1163
01:14:42.160 --> 01:14:44.100
Oh.

1164
01:14:44.200 --> 01:14:46.460
Ex-employee disgruntled loose cannon.

1165
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:47.561
- Yeah.
- Better yet.

1166
01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:50.602
- All right, bring her in.
- She won't come.

1167
01:14:51.080 --> 01:14:53.060
"Even though I have got the guts of a bull,

1168
01:14:53.160 --> 01:14:56.740
"I don't necessarily relish the fallout
from speaking up in this kind of situation."

1169
01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:58.420
Well, I'm not gonna be the chairman

1170
01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:00.780
who knew about a second accuser
and didn't call her in.

1171
01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:02.660
Subpoena her if that's what it takes,

1172
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:05.127
- but get her down here however you have to.
- Okay.

1173
01:15:06.240 --> 01:15:08.561
And somebody find me a goddamn dentist!

1174
01:15:09.680 --> 01:15:12.923
An eleventh hour surprise
in the Clarence Thomas case.

1175
01:15:13.160 --> 01:15:16.540
According to the North Carolina newspaper
The Charlotte Observer,

1176
01:15:16.640 --> 01:15:20.940
one of its own employees, Angela Wright,
has some charges of her own to level.

1177
01:15:21.040 --> 01:15:24.820
New accusations are being leveled
against the Supreme Court nominee.

1178
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:28.020
This in addition to
the allegation of sexual harassment

1179
01:15:28.120 --> 01:15:30.140
made by law professor Anita Hill.

1180
01:15:30.240 --> 01:15:34.620
If that's the best witness they can dig up,
we bring her in. Arlen has a field day.

1181
01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:35.700
I disagree completely.

1182
01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:38.940
Any woman telling the same story,
whoever she is, is bad for Clarence.

1183
01:15:39.040 --> 01:15:40.100
- Sir.
- Yes?

1184
01:15:40.200 --> 01:15:41.850
Jamie Bush, the President's nephew, called.

1185
01:15:43.040 --> 01:15:45.020
- About what?
- A Dr. Satinover.

1186
01:15:45.120 --> 01:15:47.540
Another psychiatrist in addition to
the one we're bringing in tomorrow.

1187
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:48.641
Thank you.

1188
01:15:49.120 --> 01:15:50.420
Who told the lies?

1189
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.260
Well, two witnesses,
Judge Thomas and Anita Hill,

1190
01:15:53.360 --> 01:15:56.443
told precisely opposite stories under oath.

1191
01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:57.966
Which one lied?

1192
01:16:07.160 --> 01:16:10.881
A word to boys and girls who may be
in front of the television set at the moment.

1193
01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:13.420
We parents know
this is usually your time of day.

1194
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:16.420
If today's testimony
is anything like yesterday's,

1195
01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:19.540
there may once again be
extremely graphic testimony

1196
01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.041
that you may not want your children to watch.

1197
01:16:22.240 --> 01:16:24.686
It was hot off the presses
in San Francisco this morning.

1198
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:27.860
The controversy with more questions
than answers.

1199
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:30.460
The wind-burned fisherman
who believes the professor.

1200
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:32.900
When a woman at her age
gets down in front of the public

1201
01:16:33.000 --> 01:16:37.210
and gives herself up like that,
that man is guilty as far as I'm concerned.

1202
01:16:37.480 --> 01:16:40.420
The sex harassment victim
who trusts the judge.

1203
01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:44.809
Just didn't seem to me
like she was telling the truth.

1204
01:16:45.360 --> 01:16:46.700
In Compton, California,

1205
01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:50.700
at the nation's only NAACP chapter
to support Clarence Thomas,

1206
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:53.849
people still can't believe
a black woman is his accuser.

1207
01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.380
The ordeal continues
on this Saturday morning

1208
01:16:56.480 --> 01:17:00.940
and it can only be called that, an ordeal,
for Clarence Thomas, for Anita Hill,

1209
01:17:01.040 --> 01:17:03.020
for the Senate Judiciary Committee,

1210
01:17:03.120 --> 01:17:04.980
and for the nation as well.

1211
01:17:05.080 --> 01:17:07.900
This is round two of these
renewed hearings, of course,

1212
01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:11.500
on Anita Hill's accusations of
sexual harassment against Clarence Thomas.

1213
01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:13.100
They'll be finished with Thomas
by end of day,

1214
01:17:13.200 --> 01:17:14.540
Do we have all our folks
lined up for tomorrow?

1215
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.100
The four friends of Anita who remember her

1216
01:17:16.200 --> 01:17:18.100
telling them about
the harassment at the time.

1217
01:17:18.200 --> 01:17:19.201
Three lawyers, one judge.

1218
01:17:19.320 --> 01:17:20.780
Make sure
the Committee has their credentials.

1219
01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.620
We also sent them the names
of the three psychologists who will say

1220
01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:26.700
that Anita's behavior is consistent
with victims of sexual harassment.

1221
01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:28.260
Get them the published research
on that as well.

1222
01:17:28.360 --> 01:17:30.460
- That other woman?
- Angela Wright.

1223
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:31.820
She's gonna bring this thing home.

1224
01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:33.620
I think the line is the absolute truth.

1225
01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:36.540
They are delighted with
Thomas's performance last night.

1226
01:17:36.640 --> 01:17:39.260
They felt that the whole dynamic
of the hearing changed.

1227
01:17:39.360 --> 01:17:41.780
John, did the White House
have a piece of this strategy?

1228
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:44.660
Were they in on the idea of invoking race?

1229
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:45.980
They were in on the idea.

1230
01:17:46.080 --> 01:17:48.367
They knew exactly
what Clarence Thomas was going to say.

1231
01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:52.771
In this country,
when it comes to sexual conduct,

1232
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:59.204
we still have underlying racial attitudes
about black men and their views on sex.

1233
01:18:00.320 --> 01:18:03.740
Once you pin that on me, I can't get it off.

1234
01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:08.926
Anita Hill said he discussed
oral sex between men and women.

1235
01:18:09.200 --> 01:18:12.300
Yes, I'm a client. Can you tell him I'm here?

1236
01:18:12.400 --> 01:18:15.900
But nobody in the Senate bothered telling me
where the hell I'm supposed to go.

1237
01:18:16.000 --> 01:18:19.721
"Thomas liked to discuss specific sex acts
and frequency of sex."

1238
01:18:20.280 --> 01:18:24.780
Now that last... "Frequency."
That could have to do

1239
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:28.860
with black men supposedly being
very promiscuous or something like that.

1240
01:18:28.960 --> 01:18:32.089
So it could be partially stereotypical?

1241
01:18:33.320 --> 01:18:34.340
Yes.

1242
01:18:34.440 --> 01:18:36.602
Well, I'm concerned.

1243
01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:41.088
Well, I was talking about these hearings
with a friend of mine,

1244
01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:45.380
and when I told him what I thought
as a mental health professional,

1245
01:18:45.480 --> 01:18:48.086
he said to me, "This is something
the senators need to hear."

1246
01:18:48.200 --> 01:18:51.140
- Doctor...
- And at first I was just flabbergasted,

1247
01:18:51.240 --> 01:18:54.642
but then halfway through her testimony,
it hit me.

1248
01:18:56.200 --> 01:18:57.804
Erotomania.

1249
01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.140
- I beg your pardon?
- It's a psychiatric disorder.

1250
01:19:02.240 --> 01:19:04.060
The person suffering has delusions

1251
01:19:04.160 --> 01:19:06.540
that another person,
usually of a higher status,

1252
01:19:06.640 --> 01:19:10.281
has a romantic interest in him or her.

1253
01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.002
You're not kidding? Now, this exists?

1254
01:19:17.320 --> 01:19:18.446
Ever read this book?

1255
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:20.881
No.

1256
01:19:21.320 --> 01:19:22.780
The Exorcist.

1257
01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:24.370
- What the hell is he doing?
- No, Senator.

1258
01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:29.562
You said you never did say,
"Who has put pubic hair on my Coke?"

1259
01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:33.362
You never did talk about Long Dong Silver.

1260
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:36.540
I submit those things were found

1261
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.282
from page 70 of this particular version
of The Exorcist.

1262
01:19:41.560 --> 01:19:44.460
"'Dennings had remarked to him
in passing, ' said Sharon,

1263
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:46.860
"'that there appeared to be," ' quote,

1264
01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:51.409
"'an alien pubic hair
floating around in my gin,"'

1265
01:19:53.280 --> 01:19:54.260
unquote.

1266
01:19:54.360 --> 01:19:55.380
This is ridiculous.

1267
01:19:55.480 --> 01:19:58.643
You think that was spoken by happenstance?

1268
01:19:59.360 --> 01:20:06.100
I think it is very well that you were
not here to hear the testimony of Miss Hill.

1269
01:20:06.200 --> 01:20:08.860
I'm Angela Wright.
I'm here to see my lawyer, Gil Middlebrooks.

1270
01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:10.246
Okay.

1271
01:20:10.400 --> 01:20:14.020
Welcome to DC.
They haven't called you in yet.

1272
01:20:14.120 --> 01:20:16.340
You can wait here till they do.

1273
01:20:16.440 --> 01:20:18.090
And here we are.

1274
01:20:19.200 --> 01:20:23.728
You've been before us for 105 days.

1275
01:20:24.400 --> 01:20:27.961
I'm waiting for 105 days
of surveillance of Miss Hill.

1276
01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:31.380
Then we'll see, you know,
who ate the cabbage...

1277
01:20:31.480 --> 01:20:34.245
- The fuck is he talking about?
- ...as we say out in the Wild West.

1278
01:20:35.040 --> 01:20:36.060
And now...

1279
01:20:36.160 --> 01:20:38.300
- Christ's sake, rein these guys in.
- I can't.

1280
01:20:38.400 --> 01:20:41.609
...I really am getting stuff over
the transom about Professor Hill.

1281
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:47.242
I have got letters hanging out of my pockets.

1282
01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:49.100
I have got faxes.

1283
01:20:49.200 --> 01:20:52.204
I have got statements
from her former law professors.

1284
01:20:53.280 --> 01:20:55.203
Statements from people that know her.

1285
01:20:55.720 --> 01:21:01.204
Statements from Tulsa, Oklahoma,
saying, watch out for this woman.

1286
01:21:02.120 --> 01:21:04.771
But nobody has the guts to say that

1287
01:21:05.440 --> 01:21:10.128
because it gets all tangled up
in this sexual harassment crap.

1288
01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:14.380
- Have they scheduled Angela Wright?
- Call you back.

1289
01:21:14.480 --> 01:21:16.289
- She's in the mix.
- What does that mean?

1290
01:21:16.640 --> 01:21:17.700
There's a schedule.

1291
01:21:17.800 --> 01:21:18.780
She's either on it, or she's not.

1292
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.689
Carolyn, there's a Washington Post reporter.

1293
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:24.020
He's found a video store owner who claims
that Thomas is a longtime customer of his.

1294
01:21:24.120 --> 01:21:25.281
Rented lots of hardcore porn.

1295
01:21:25.400 --> 01:21:26.540
- What?
- What?

1296
01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:28.380
Should I get his number
so we can talk to him? Or is that...

1297
01:21:28.480 --> 01:21:29.940
- No!
- Yes, absolutely!

1298
01:21:30.040 --> 01:21:31.020
- No!
- Yes!

1299
01:21:31.120 --> 01:21:33.940
God, there is a law against that.

1300
01:21:34.040 --> 01:21:36.805
We do not expose
citizens' private viewing records.

1301
01:21:38.440 --> 01:21:39.805
Carolyn Hart.

1302
01:21:42.160 --> 01:21:43.161
Wow.

1303
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:45.220
Angela Wright...

1304
01:21:45.320 --> 01:21:47.300
- That's us, we should go.
- ...will soon be with us.

1305
01:21:47.400 --> 01:21:51.007
We think,
but now we're told that Angela Wright has,

1306
01:21:51.440 --> 01:21:54.620
what we used to call
in the legal trade, cold feet.

1307
01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:56.324
Wait, what?

1308
01:21:56.560 --> 01:21:58.220
Is Angela Wright backing out?

1309
01:21:58.320 --> 01:22:01.180
No, I went over the witness list
with Biden's office. She's still on it.

1310
01:22:01.280 --> 01:22:03.300
- So he's lying.
- He knows she's a threat.

1311
01:22:03.400 --> 01:22:04.686
- He's discrediting her.
- Exactly.

1312
01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:07.321
Did you fire her? And if you did, what for?

1313
01:22:08.400 --> 01:22:12.769
Um, she referred to a male member
of my staff as a faggot.

1314
01:22:13.480 --> 01:22:15.300
That's a lie. I did no such thing.

1315
01:22:15.400 --> 01:22:17.971
- That was enough for you?
- That was more than enough.

1316
01:22:19.360 --> 01:22:21.980
That is kind of the way you are, isn't it?

1317
01:22:22.080 --> 01:22:23.809
That is how I am

1318
01:22:24.360 --> 01:22:27.682
when it comes to that kind of conduct.

1319
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:31.260
She's a credible witness
that'll testify Thomas harassed her, too,

1320
01:22:31.360 --> 01:22:33.140
and they're smearing her
just like they smeared Anita.

1321
01:22:33.240 --> 01:22:35.481
- This is completely unethical.
- Exactly.

1322
01:22:39.080 --> 01:22:41.048
I won't get into those old saws,

1323
01:22:41.400 --> 01:22:45.883
but I will tell you
that I do love Shakespeare,

1324
01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:50.048
and Shakespeare would love this.

1325
01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:52.648
This is about love and hate,

1326
01:22:53.200 --> 01:22:57.285
and cheating, and disgust, and avarice.

1327
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:03.766
All those things
that make that remarkable bard read today.

1328
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:08.606
Othello. Read Othello,

1329
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.480
and don't ever forget this line.

1330
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:17.089
"Good name in man and woman,
dear my Lord."

1331
01:23:17.400 --> 01:23:18.401
Christ.

1332
01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:19.886
You remember this scene?

1333
01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:27.129
"Is the immediate jewel of our souls."

1334
01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:34.380
Good evening. Clarence Thomas
went on the attack today

1335
01:23:34.480 --> 01:23:36.820
- accusing his critics of using blatant racism...
- Thank you.

1336
01:23:36.920 --> 01:23:38.260
...to keep him off the Supreme Court.

1337
01:23:38.360 --> 01:23:39.820
But he said he had rather died...

1338
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:41.300
They said they'll call you tomorrow.

1339
01:23:41.400 --> 01:23:42.380
The dramatic testimony

1340
01:23:42.480 --> 01:23:43.820
- came during a grueling...
- Mmm-hmm.

1341
01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:45.660
They apologize for any inconvenience.

1342
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:48.081
Did they apologize
for trashing my reputation?

1343
01:23:49.240 --> 01:23:50.651
Did they apologize for that?

1344
01:23:51.480 --> 01:23:52.766
Have a nice day, sir.

1345
01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:58.220
Chief of Staff John Sununu telling CNN
Anita Hill's credibility has been undermined

1346
01:23:58.320 --> 01:24:02.140
and that calls to the White House
are overwhelmingly in Thomas's favor.

1347
01:24:02.240 --> 01:24:04.780
Even the people at the White House
were stunned

1348
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:08.100
by what they consider the lackluster
performance of the Democrats.

1349
01:24:08.200 --> 01:24:10.500
They couldn't understand
why they were just sitting there

1350
01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:13.020
and not challenging Thomas
and being more assertive.

1351
01:24:13.120 --> 01:24:15.020
We need to be pushing harder to the press.

1352
01:24:15.120 --> 01:24:17.340
- We need to push back.
- Well, they beat us to that.

1353
01:24:17.440 --> 01:24:20.580
Journalists calling to confirm
Anita's lesbianism

1354
01:24:22.600 --> 01:24:25.968
...and to inquire about
an official diagnosis of erotomania.

1355
01:24:26.200 --> 01:24:28.460
- What is that?
- Think it means what it says.

1356
01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:29.700
In a decision that apparently

1357
01:24:29.800 --> 01:24:31.140
was personally approved by the President,

1358
01:24:31.240 --> 01:24:32.420
they decided to go after her

1359
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:35.980
and to float all sorts of stories
about erotic fantasies

1360
01:24:36.080 --> 01:24:38.367
and that she has psychological problems.

1361
01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:42.380
Today, spectators will watch
corroborating witnesses

1362
01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:45.660
attempt to support both
Judge Thomas and Professor Hill

1363
01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:48.220
and continue to struggle
with who is telling the truth.

1364
01:24:48.320 --> 01:24:49.765
Have you seen these?

1365
01:24:50.320 --> 01:24:53.324
Fifty percent of Americans believe him.
Twenty-five percent believe her.

1366
01:24:53.440 --> 01:24:54.780
- Ricki.
- Your boss is fucking this up.

1367
01:24:54.880 --> 01:25:00.284
It is not your place to tell the chairman
of the Judiciary Committee how to do his job.

1368
01:25:03.040 --> 01:25:06.010
Last time I checked,
you worked for a senator, too,

1369
01:25:06.280 --> 01:25:08.362
and maybe you should bring it up with him.

1370
01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:13.603
Are you sure you want to do this?

1371
01:25:14.360 --> 01:25:15.521
Yes.

1372
01:25:18.400 --> 01:25:20.687
Because there'll be no way to keep it quiet.

1373
01:25:22.160 --> 01:25:24.180
Checked on Anita Hill's
former students in Oklahoma.

1374
01:25:24.280 --> 01:25:26.521
- And what'd you find?
- They basically all said the same thing.

1375
01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:28.130
She's tough but fair.

1376
01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.940
Senator Brown's office did talk
to some guys from Oral Roberts,

1377
01:25:32.040 --> 01:25:33.260
where she worked before Oklahoma,

1378
01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:34.860
and they did have a story,
but it seemed pretty...

1379
01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:36.540
What'd they say?

1380
01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:38.300
Well, they said

1381
01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:42.580
that Anita Hill had put pubic hair
between the pages of their term papers.

1382
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:45.500
Anita Hill put pubic hairs
in her students' term papers.

1383
01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:46.780
No, I don't think so.

1384
01:25:46.880 --> 01:25:49.420
That is what they said, but it was
after the whole Coke can thing, so...

1385
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.568
We need affidavits from them.

1386
01:25:52.040 --> 01:25:55.460
We do? Okay.
Um, sorry, it just seems so unlikely that...

1387
01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:58.620
Well, we have no idea what's
likely or unlikely from this woman.

1388
01:25:58.720 --> 01:25:59.767
Sorry, sir. Yes, sir.

1389
01:26:00.320 --> 01:26:03.380
A CBS news poll conducted just yesterday

1390
01:26:03.480 --> 01:26:04.980
shows most Americans believe

1391
01:26:05.080 --> 01:26:10.220
that neither Thomas nor his accuser
Anita Hill told the entire truth.

1392
01:26:10.320 --> 01:26:13.100
I was hoping I could
have a quick word with you, if it's okay.

1393
01:26:13.200 --> 01:26:15.362
Sure. Sit.

1394
01:26:19.040 --> 01:26:21.042
Okay, so let me start by saying

1395
01:26:23.760 --> 01:26:26.127
I get why you've been quiet
through all of this.

1396
01:26:27.240 --> 01:26:30.642
I'm sure a lot of people much smarter than me
have told you that's the way to go.

1397
01:26:31.480 --> 01:26:33.369
And who knows? Maybe they're right, but...

1398
01:26:35.080 --> 01:26:37.242
She's all alone out there, sir.

1399
01:26:57.280 --> 01:26:58.725
You ever taken a polygraph before, Miss Hill?

1400
01:26:59.400 --> 01:27:01.209
- No, I have not.
- Okay.

1401
01:27:06.480 --> 01:27:07.860
She told me she was being subjected

1402
01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:09.291
to sexual harassment from her boss.

1403
01:27:10.480 --> 01:27:11.925
That boss was Clarence Thomas.

1404
01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:15.020
She told me Clarence Thomas
asked her out on dates

1405
01:27:15.120 --> 01:27:18.140
and showed an unwanted
sexual interest in her.

1406
01:27:18.240 --> 01:27:19.651
Is she, in your estimation,

1407
01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:22.500
a woman who suffers
from fantasies in any way

1408
01:27:22.600 --> 01:27:25.126
or is she pretty levelheaded?

1409
01:27:25.360 --> 01:27:27.840
She's one of the most
levelheaded people I know.

1410
01:27:28.280 --> 01:27:29.260
Thank you, Judge.

1411
01:27:29.360 --> 01:27:31.806
- Is your name Anita F. Hill?
- Yes.

1412
01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:39.529
Various psychiatrists have come forward
to state as a general principle,

1413
01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:43.128
not as a diagnosis of an individual
but as a general principle,

1414
01:27:44.320 --> 01:27:47.927
that there is a specific disorder.

1415
01:27:48.480 --> 01:27:52.610
So here is this foul stack of stench

1416
01:27:53.360 --> 01:27:55.840
justifiably offensive in any category,

1417
01:27:57.440 --> 01:28:01.081
and I ask you why, after she left his power,

1418
01:28:01.400 --> 01:28:04.324
or whatever it was that gave her fear

1419
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:07.604
or revulsion or repulsion...

1420
01:28:08.400 --> 01:28:14.123
Why did she, twice after that,
visit personally with him in Tulsa, Oklahoma?

1421
01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:20.980
I get Christmas cards from people I don't see
from one end of the year to the other end

1422
01:28:21.080 --> 01:28:22.286
and do not wish to.

1423
01:28:23.160 --> 01:28:26.130
I also return their cards
and will return their calls.

1424
01:28:27.040 --> 01:28:29.300
And these are people who have insulted me

1425
01:28:29.400 --> 01:28:32.370
and done things which perhaps
have been degrading at times.

1426
01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:34.923
But these are the things
you have to put up with.

1427
01:28:35.440 --> 01:28:38.489
And being a black woman,
you have to put up with a lot.

1428
01:28:38.920 --> 01:28:41.446
So you grit your teeth, and you do it.

1429
01:28:46.280 --> 01:28:49.011
- Senator Kennedy.
- Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1430
01:28:53.280 --> 01:28:55.169
Some people just don't want to believe you.

1431
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:59.525
You have to understand
that they just don't want to believe you,

1432
01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:02.321
and they don't want
to believe Professor Hill.

1433
01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:05.681
But I hope, Mr. Chairman...

1434
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:10.082
I hope that we're not going to hear
a lot more comments,

1435
01:29:11.480 --> 01:29:14.609
unworthy, unjustified comments

1436
01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:18.287
about fantasy stories picked out of books

1437
01:29:18.440 --> 01:29:22.286
and law cases
after we've heard from this panel.

1438
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:25.809
I hope we can clear this room of the dirt

1439
01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:30.209
and innuendo
about over-the-transom information.

1440
01:29:32.480 --> 01:29:33.860
I hope we're going to be sensitive

1441
01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:37.660
to the attempts of character assassination
on Professor Hill.

1442
01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:39.046
They're unworthy.

1443
01:29:40.280 --> 01:29:43.841
And quite frankly, I hope we're not going
to hear a lot more about racism

1444
01:29:44.120 --> 01:29:46.122
as we consider this nominee.

1445
01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:51.322
Fact is that these points
of sexual harassment

1446
01:29:51.920 --> 01:29:55.811
are made by an Afro-American
against an Afro-American.

1447
01:29:57.160 --> 01:30:00.289
The issue isn't discrimination and racism.

1448
01:30:01.120 --> 01:30:03.805
It's about sexual harassment.

1449
01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:10.608
And I hope we can keep our eye
on that particular issue.

1450
01:30:13.320 --> 01:30:14.481
Thank you.

1451
01:30:15.680 --> 01:30:17.330
Thank you, Senator Kennedy.

1452
01:30:34.240 --> 01:30:36.100
Within the last few minutes,
we just found out

1453
01:30:36.200 --> 01:30:39.620
that Professor Anita Hill
has taken a polygraph test,

1454
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:44.180
and according to the expert that
administered it to her, she passed it.

1455
01:30:44.280 --> 01:30:45.940
She offered to take a lie detector test.

1456
01:30:46.040 --> 01:30:47.900
That's not the hallmark
of someone who's lying.

1457
01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.660
At a golf outing, President
Bush said he saw no reason

1458
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:54.048
for either Hill or Judge Clarence Thomas
to take such a test.

1459
01:30:54.440 --> 01:30:59.660
I don't want to be in a position of advocating
that every nominee takes a lie detector test.

1460
01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:01.046
And I think it's a stupid idea.

1461
01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:03.364
Of course she'll pass a polygraph

1462
01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:07.851
because the disorder makes her believe
she is telling the truth.

1463
01:31:08.080 --> 01:31:11.300
Republicans complaining bitterly
that, as Orrin Hatch said,

1464
01:31:11.400 --> 01:31:14.980
you can find any polygraph tester
to produce any results you want.

1465
01:31:15.080 --> 01:31:19.404
He called it "the sleazy tactic
of a two-bit sleaze lawyer."

1466
01:31:20.440 --> 01:31:22.100
It seems to me that in the country

1467
01:31:22.200 --> 01:31:24.660
for that great band in the middle somewhere,

1468
01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:28.162
that their judgment swings
from session to session.

1469
01:31:28.480 --> 01:31:30.767
This afternoon,
Anita Hill's friends and supporters

1470
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:32.180
made a very credible appearance.

1471
01:31:32.280 --> 01:31:35.100
Tonight, his friends and supporters
and coworkers

1472
01:31:35.200 --> 01:31:36.900
are making credible performances.

1473
01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:39.731
He's a man of high moral standing,

1474
01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:42.088
and I tell you that it's not possible

1475
01:31:42.480 --> 01:31:44.980
that he could be linked
with the kinds of things

1476
01:31:45.080 --> 01:31:46.740
that have been alleged against him here.

1477
01:31:46.840 --> 01:31:50.322
I have known Judge Clarence Thomas
for more than 30 years,

1478
01:31:50.440 --> 01:31:56.300
and I find the allegations by Miss Hill
not only ludicrous but totally inconsistent,

1479
01:31:56.400 --> 01:31:59.260
and in opposite to his principles
and his personality.

1480
01:31:59.360 --> 01:32:03.843
She played the role of a meek, innocent,
shy Baptist girl from the South

1481
01:32:04.280 --> 01:32:06.540
who was a victim of this big bad man.

1482
01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:10.020
Chairman Thomas
that I have known for 10 years

1483
01:32:10.120 --> 01:32:14.603
is absolutely incapable
of the abuses described by Professor Hill.

1484
01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:16.220
In my case,

1485
01:32:16.320 --> 01:32:20.420
she had fantasized about my being
interested in her romantically.

1486
01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:21.806
Et tu, Brutus?

1487
01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:24.005
You, too, Anita?

1488
01:32:25.360 --> 01:32:27.220
Extraordinary hearings
on the nomination of

1489
01:32:27.320 --> 01:32:29.140
Judge Clarence Thomas continue

1490
01:32:29.240 --> 01:32:32.580
and are expected
to go on long into the night.

1491
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:35.540
Tomorrow, Professor Anita Hill
and Judge Clarence Thomas

1492
01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:37.940
have been invited back
to wrap up their testimony,

1493
01:32:38.040 --> 01:32:43.100
Extraordinary is a word that may be
not quite strong enough, Carole.

1494
01:32:43.200 --> 01:32:46.780
This thing has ground on now for hours
through the day and into the night.

1495
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:48.700
Some Republican senators are still trying

1496
01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:52.060
to prevent the Committee from hearing
testimony from another witness

1497
01:32:52.160 --> 01:32:54.060
who's come forward against Thomas.

1498
01:32:54.160 --> 01:32:55.940
At first, we thought it was going to be

1499
01:32:56.040 --> 01:32:58.300
a national encounter on sexual harassment.

1500
01:32:58.400 --> 01:32:59.740
And now it has turned ugly.

1501
01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:03.740
It's almost a murder-suicide pact
between Democrats and Republicans.

1502
01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:05.604
Just no one wins.

1503
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:07.780
I talked to Joel Paul.

1504
01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:11.220
He's been getting threatening phone calls,
and he's worried he won't get tenure.

1505
01:33:11.320 --> 01:33:13.641
Because he was a character witness for me?

1506
01:33:14.480 --> 01:33:15.527
Yes.

1507
01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:26.260
If we can get Thomas's porn rental records,
I say we get them.

1508
01:33:26.360 --> 01:33:29.700
- Absolutely not, no.
- Joe, this is a dirty fight.

1509
01:33:29.800 --> 01:33:31.980
There's no second place.
If we don't win, we lose.

1510
01:33:32.080 --> 01:33:33.320
At what cost, Patrick?

1511
01:33:33.560 --> 01:33:36.620
I'm getting calls into my office.
Hundreds an hour.

1512
01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:37.940
American citizens saying

1513
01:33:38.040 --> 01:33:40.060
whatever the hell
you people are doing down there

1514
01:33:40.160 --> 01:33:45.740
with the Coke cans and Long Dong Ding,
whatever the fuck it is, stop it.

1515
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:46.940
We have an obligation to make sure

1516
01:33:47.040 --> 01:33:48.900
we're putting the right person
on the Supreme Court.

1517
01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:51.820
I also have an obligation
to uphold the dignity

1518
01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:54.540
and the credibility
of the United States Senate.

1519
01:33:54.640 --> 01:33:56.881
Yeah? How's that going?

1520
01:34:25.080 --> 01:34:27.460
If there is a consensus
in this nation tonight,

1521
01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:32.441
it is that no one likes what's going on
and there are no real winners.

1522
01:34:33.160 --> 01:34:35.731
We have gone from shock to discomfort,

1523
01:34:36.440 --> 01:34:39.762
now to a combination of anger,
depression, and shame.

1524
01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:47.420
No, you are not introducing
that vile, obvious bullshit.

1525
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:50.569
Maybe it's BS, and maybe it's not, Joe.
You don't know.

1526
01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:54.566
It's just like this bogus movie
rental stuff and this Angela Wright.

1527
01:34:55.200 --> 01:34:59.100
If you want to introduce questionable
testimony on national television,

1528
01:34:59.200 --> 01:35:01.020
I've got a doozy right here.

1529
01:35:01.120 --> 01:35:02.940
You know we've got the votes back, Joe.

1530
01:35:03.040 --> 01:35:04.820
We have a solid 51 in the Senate.

1531
01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:07.526
We'll probably pick up
one or two more by Tuesday,

1532
01:35:07.880 --> 01:35:11.180
so we can keep talking dirty
to the nation if you want,

1533
01:35:11.280 --> 01:35:13.009
but it won't change the outcome.

1534
01:35:13.120 --> 01:35:14.500
Jack, is this who you want to be?

1535
01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:16.020
This is a free-for-all, Joe.
There are no rules.

1536
01:35:16.120 --> 01:35:18.860
Somebody who goes after a woman
like this with no holds barred?

1537
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:20.860
You know this is a street fight, Joe.

1538
01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:23.620
And if a friend of mine is attacked
in a street fight,

1539
01:35:23.720 --> 01:35:25.722
I'm gonna pick up a crowbar.

1540
01:35:28.480 --> 01:35:30.847
Hey, take that shit with you.

1541
01:36:16.440 --> 01:36:20.047
So I came all the way here for nothing?

1542
01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:23.205
The Committee appreciates
your willingness to participate.

1543
01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:26.530
"Willingness"? I was subpoenaed.

1544
01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:29.740
While it is Chairman Biden's desire
that you testify,

1545
01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:33.060
the time constraints we find ourselves under
are making that impossible.

1546
01:36:33.160 --> 01:36:35.481
"Time constraints"?
I've been here a day and a half.

1547
01:36:36.360 --> 01:36:39.091
So the chairman would like
to withdraw your subpoena.

1548
01:36:39.560 --> 01:36:42.848
He will enter your deposition
into the written record unrebutted.

1549
01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:45.769
This agreement is by mutual consent.

1550
01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:48.300
He would like you to sign it.

1551
01:36:48.400 --> 01:36:49.460
What if I don't?

1552
01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:54.441
They'll fill the time with other witnesses
so they really do run out of time.

1553
01:37:09.040 --> 01:37:10.900
Angela Wright is not going to testify.

1554
01:37:11.000 --> 01:37:12.604
- What?
- No!

1555
01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:14.140
By mutual agreement, they say.

1556
01:37:14.240 --> 01:37:15.220
That is bullshit.

1557
01:37:15.320 --> 01:37:17.260
The deposition is going
into the written record,

1558
01:37:17.360 --> 01:37:19.060
so the senators will know what she said.

1559
01:37:19.160 --> 01:37:20.540
If they read it, which they won't.

1560
01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:22.290
- Which they won't.
- Correct.

1561
01:37:25.120 --> 01:37:26.929
This was a mistake.

1562
01:37:29.400 --> 01:37:32.340
This is why I never came forward before.

1563
01:37:32.440 --> 01:37:34.920
What good have we done?

1564
01:37:35.480 --> 01:37:38.180
My friends' jobs are being threatened.

1565
01:37:38.280 --> 01:37:40.180
My reputation is ruined.

1566
01:37:40.280 --> 01:37:41.340
- For what?
- You will testify tomorrow

1567
01:37:41.440 --> 01:37:42.420
and set the record straight.

1568
01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:45.808
I have said everything that I came here
to say, but they don't want to hear it.

1569
01:37:47.240 --> 01:37:50.608
They don't care. They only want to win.

1570
01:37:51.240 --> 01:37:52.980
There's got to be something we can do.

1571
01:37:53.080 --> 01:37:55.020
There has to be something else
that we can do.

1572
01:37:55.120 --> 01:37:56.201
We need to get the names.

1573
01:38:02.320 --> 01:38:04.846
You all have worked very hard.

1574
01:38:11.960 --> 01:38:17.649
And if I'm letting you down, I'm sorry.

1575
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:32.204
Call Judiciary.

1576
01:38:33.440 --> 01:38:35.841
Tell them I'm done. I want to go home.

1577
01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:58.580
Ladies, thank you so much.

1578
01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:01.340
We certainly appreciate
your testimony here today.

1579
01:39:01.440 --> 01:39:05.081
Obviously we didn't recognize or realize

1580
01:39:05.200 --> 01:39:07.620
we were going to go quite as late
as we did tonight.

1581
01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:09.051
- Senator.
- But that's...

1582
01:39:18.160 --> 01:39:22.020
Both Professor Hill and Judge Thomas

1583
01:39:22.120 --> 01:39:26.648
have decided not to appear tomorrow.

1584
01:39:27.480 --> 01:39:31.405
Based on that,
this entire proceeding is ended.

1585
01:39:48.160 --> 01:39:50.740
- Fifty-two votes.
- Fifty-two votes! Congratulations!

1586
01:40:17.400 --> 01:40:20.020
Thomas's supporters claim
that he has the votes

1587
01:40:20.120 --> 01:40:24.380
to win the confirmation when the full
Senate votes at 6:00 p.m. on Tuesday.

1588
01:40:24.480 --> 01:40:27.660
But the situation is now
so muddled and so confused

1589
01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:31.100
after three days of lurid,
inconclusive testimony

1590
01:40:31.200 --> 01:40:33.180
that nobody's sure of anything,

1591
01:40:33.280 --> 01:40:36.409
except that the whole process
has been distasteful.

1592
01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:10.721
Hey.

1593
01:41:13.120 --> 01:41:15.487
Who'd you believe, him or her?

1594
01:41:17.160 --> 01:41:18.161
Her.

1595
01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:18.740
The chair will remind the galleries

1596
01:42:18.840 --> 01:42:21.730
that expressions of approval
or disapproval are prohibited.

1597
01:42:22.200 --> 01:42:26.444
The question is on the confirmation of the
nomination of Clarence Thomas of Georgia

1598
01:42:26.720 --> 01:42:30.247
to be an Associate Justice
of the United States Supreme Court.

1599
01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:31.885
The clerk will call the roll.

1600
01:42:32.280 --> 01:42:34.044
- Mr. Adams.
- No.

1601
01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:36.968
- Mr. Akaka.
- No.

1602
01:42:37.640 --> 01:42:39.820
- Mr. Baucus.
- No.

1603
01:42:39.920 --> 01:42:41.968
- Mr. Bentsen.
- No.

1604
01:42:42.560 --> 01:42:44.801
- Mr. Biden.
- No.

1605
01:42:45.200 --> 01:42:47.089
- Mr. Bingaman.
- No.

1606
01:42:49.600 --> 01:42:51.284
- Mr. Bond.
- Aye.

1607
01:43:09.760 --> 01:43:10.761
Hey.

1608
01:43:12.160 --> 01:43:13.571
Welcome home.

1609
01:43:15.240 --> 01:43:16.480
Thank you.

1610
01:43:17.320 --> 01:43:18.845
Is this all...

1611
01:43:19.120 --> 01:43:20.645
For you? Yup.

1612
01:43:22.320 --> 01:43:23.606
All of it.

1613
01:43:48.560 --> 01:43:49.561
What's it say?

1614
01:43:57.320 --> 01:43:59.163
"Dear Professor Hill,

1615
01:44:00.000 --> 01:44:02.606
"For 25 years, I've been a cashier.

1616
01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:07.488
"All that time, my boss has treated me
like his personal property.

1617
01:44:08.080 --> 01:44:10.890
"I never said anything,
not even to my husband.

1618
01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:13.620
"It's been really scary and lonely,

1619
01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:19.011
"but watching you this week felt like
I was watching someone standing up for me.

1620
01:44:21.480 --> 01:44:23.130
"So thank you.

1621
01:44:24.160 --> 01:44:26.481
"Sincerely, Elisa Nelson."

1622
01:44:29.240 --> 01:44:30.241
Wow.

1623
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:56.565
- Mr. Wellstone.
- No.

1624
01:44:57.560 --> 01:44:59.005
- Mr. Wirth.
- No.

1625
01:44:59.800 --> 01:45:02.371
- Mr. Wofford.
- No.

1626
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:12.525
The yeas are 52, and the nays are 48.

1627
01:45:12.880 --> 01:45:15.008
The nomination of
Clarence Thomas of Georgia

1628
01:45:15.640 --> 01:45:18.540
to be Associate Justice
of the United States Supreme Court

1629
01:45:18.640 --> 01:45:20.449
is hereby confirmed.

1630
01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:41.761
Clarence.

1631
01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:47.165
It's good news.

1632
01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:31.200
It was not too long ago

1633
01:46:31.320 --> 01:46:34.642
that a colleague of mine
complimented me on my appearance

1634
01:46:34.760 --> 01:46:38.180
and then said that he was going to
chase me around the House floor.

1635
01:46:38.280 --> 01:46:41.060
The last time the federal
government polled all its workers,

1636
01:46:41.160 --> 01:46:44.940
42% of the women reported
they had been recently sexually harassed.

1637
01:46:45.040 --> 01:46:46.644
So, Hal, tell us what happens now.

1638
01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:51.688
Well, what happens now is we've got
a political issue for the 1992 campaign.

1639
01:46:51.800 --> 01:46:54.180
Two percent may be good for milk,

1640
01:46:54.280 --> 01:46:56.620
but it ain't good
for the United State Senate.

1641
01:46:56.720 --> 01:46:59.740
What's different this year is
the record number of women

1642
01:46:59.840 --> 01:47:02.286
running and winning up and down the ticket.

1643
01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:07.820
One factor there and elsewhere is backlash
over the Senate's treatment of Anita Hill.

1644
01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:11.140
A woman's voice does not count
in America today.

1645
01:47:11.240 --> 01:47:13.660
I have not been sexually harassed,

1646
01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:17.003
but I have been very obviously
discriminated against.

1647
01:47:17.360 --> 01:47:19.220
Happened something like 20 years ago.

1648
01:47:19.320 --> 01:47:21.721
- But you're aware that women also...
- Wait. Wait, Sam!

1649
01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:24.820
I remember every word of it.

1650
01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:27.700
If we stay mad about
Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill,

1651
01:47:27.800 --> 01:47:29.928
we'll never remember our lines.

1652
01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:34.926
Oh... Please.

1653
01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:39.620
Sir, would you please state your name?

1654
01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:41.722
Long Dong Silver.

1655
01:47:42.360 --> 01:47:46.020
The rules of the old boys' club
that prevailed in this hearing

1656
01:47:46.120 --> 01:47:47.580
are simply not going to work anymore.

1657
01:47:47.680 --> 01:47:50.604
The Senate Judiciary Committee
is getting diversity,

1658
01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:54.460
Carol Moseley Braun of Illinois
and California's Dianne Feinstein

1659
01:47:54.560 --> 01:47:56.005
have been assigned to the panel.

1660
01:47:56.400 --> 01:47:59.980
Women for the first time
in my lifetime have said

1661
01:48:00.080 --> 01:48:03.340
we are players in this society,
and we intend to stay that way.

1662
01:48:03.440 --> 01:48:06.780
On Thursday, President Bush signed
a long-awaited civil rights bill.

1663
01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:10.140
...which will make it much
easier for women and minorities

1664
01:48:10.240 --> 01:48:11.660
to sue for discrimination...

1665
01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:13.620
...and harassment on the job.

1666
01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:16.940
It does not have to be a physical
touch or a specific threat.

1667
01:48:17.040 --> 01:48:21.660
Companies now produce videos explaining
it can be any unwanted sexual advances.

1668
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:25.220
A bill to combat violence against women
was introduced in the US Senate.

1669
01:48:25.320 --> 01:48:29.540
You should have the civil rights protection
as well as the criminal laws protection.

1670
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:34.060
This has become a national teacher
on the issue of sexual harassment.

1671
01:48:34.160 --> 01:48:37.180
I just think that you're getting caught up
in the politics of it

1672
01:48:37.280 --> 01:48:40.940
when what you're forgetting is that
there's a human being, a woman involved.

1673
01:48:41.040 --> 01:48:42.980
- There's a man, too.
- Okay.

1674
01:48:43.080 --> 01:48:46.340
That'd be Clarence Thomas.
His is the name that's been made mud of.

1675
01:48:46.440 --> 01:48:50.060
There's clearly a brass-knuckles,

1676
01:48:50.160 --> 01:48:53.420
totally unfair process
of brutalizing Presidential appointees.

1677
01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:55.060
How much of an exploration

1678
01:48:55.160 --> 01:49:00.540
of not only Supreme Court candidates but
all candidates for public office do you want?

1679
01:49:00.640 --> 01:49:02.768
Do you have anything further to say about it?

1680
01:49:03.320 --> 01:49:08.740
Senator, my reaction to this has been...

1681
01:49:08.840 --> 01:49:11.060
Over the last two weeks,
has been one of horror.

1682
01:49:11.160 --> 01:49:13.020
I can't tell you what I've lived through.

1683
01:49:13.120 --> 01:49:15.060
I think I did the right thing.

1684
01:49:15.160 --> 01:49:21.645
I think I did what was proper and correct
in this situation.

1685
01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:28.330
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