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But she should have visited him.

789
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-It was a horrible, horrible time.
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790
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[Rachel]
I remember going to the store

791
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and being like, "Oh, where's so-and-so?"
"Oh, he just died."

792
00:44:05,351 --> 00:44:06,477
Something seemed...

793
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:09,730
like a horror about that to me,

794
00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:11,940
but I didn't understand it
till much later.

795
00:44:12,024 --> 00:44:15,069
I know they supported the gay community.

796
00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:17,321
I mean, they didn't set out to,
but they did.

797
00:44:17,404 --> 00:44:22,451
They were not gonna let
other forces tell them what to do.

798
00:44:24,036 --> 00:44:27,331
I think what we did was
small, human kindnesses

799
00:44:27,414 --> 00:44:28,832
in a very small way.

800
00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:35,923
[John Weston] Government officials
will very often use pornography

801
00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:41,345
as a means of deflecting attention away
from their failures to do something.

802
00:44:43,472 --> 00:44:46,934
[news reporter] Attorney General Meese
accepted the pornography report today.

803
00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:53,065
Obscenity, that illegal activity,
it is not the kind of thing

804
00:44:53,148 --> 00:44:56,151
that is subject
to the protection of the First Amendment.

805
00:44:56,235 --> 00:44:59,321
When that Meese commission was on,
I would read about it all the time,

806
00:44:59,405 --> 00:45:02,366
and it was a totally stacked deck.

807
00:45:02,449 --> 00:45:05,994
Everybody that testified
was anti-pornography people.

808
00:45:06,995 --> 00:45:11,166
So, the outcome was absolutely assured.
They were just gonna say it was no good.

809
00:45:11,250 --> 00:45:13,001
[news reporter]
Opponents say the commission

810
00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:15,629
is using a half-million dollar report
to moralize.

811
00:45:15,713 --> 00:45:19,967
The government is attempting
to obtain self-censorship

812
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:23,470
by the threat
of these draconian sanctions.

813
00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:26,557
[Flynt]
They had a multi-million dollar task force

814
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,559
with all the money they needed

815
00:45:28,642 --> 00:45:30,561
with one mission, you know,

816
00:45:31,103 --> 00:45:34,273
to control people's reading
and viewing habits

817
00:45:34,356 --> 00:45:37,693
and their sexual habits if they could.

818
00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:40,946
Isn't it about time
we remove the profit motive

819
00:45:41,029 --> 00:45:43,490
from activities that are sick and obscene?

820
00:45:43,574 --> 00:45:45,576
[applause]

821
00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:51,832
[Karen]
One of the things you did in those days,

822
00:45:52,624 --> 00:45:56,962
was you only sold movies
to people you knew.

823
00:45:57,045 --> 00:46:00,382
So, we sold movies all over the country,

824
00:46:00,466 --> 00:46:02,676
but only to companies
we'd been dealing with.

825
00:46:03,844 --> 00:46:08,098
One day, somebody called up
and ordered three films

826
00:46:08,182 --> 00:46:12,352
to, like, Joe's Video Store,
in Lebanon, Pennsylvania.

827
00:46:12,436 --> 00:46:16,523
And our guy entered him in the computer
and shipped them out.

828
00:46:17,191 --> 00:46:19,276
Unbeknownst to us,

829
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:22,988
the prosecutor begins this process

830
00:46:23,071 --> 00:46:28,619
of illegal transportation
of adult material over state lines.

831
00:46:29,828 --> 00:46:31,663
They were running a sting operation.

832
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:37,169
The FBI comes in,
like you see on television

833
00:46:37,252 --> 00:46:38,879
with FBI on their...

834
00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:42,382
-Jackets. Big letters.
-...jackets, and their guns drawn.

835
00:46:43,759 --> 00:46:46,637
[police officer] We made some
undercover purchases of this stuff,

836
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,181
and after consultation
with the Prosecuting Attorney, uh,

837
00:46:49,598 --> 00:46:51,266
they issued us a search warrant.

838
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:58,524
[Barry] We were charged
with shipping obscene material.

839
00:47:00,692 --> 00:47:03,904
It easily could have been
a five-year jail sentence or maybe more,

840
00:47:03,987 --> 00:47:07,157
and the fines could have been
very, very large.

841
00:47:10,452 --> 00:47:14,957
One of us was gonna have to go to jail,
and I thought it had better be Barry.

842
00:47:16,834 --> 00:47:19,002
[Weston]
That lead prosecutor had

843
00:47:19,086 --> 00:47:22,798
put together a staff
of very religious people,

844
00:47:23,340 --> 00:47:26,468
and he himself was very anti-porn.

845
00:47:27,094 --> 00:47:29,972
So they said
Barry has to enter a guilty plea.

846
00:47:30,597 --> 00:47:33,308
He has to be convicted
and made guilty of a felony.

847
00:47:35,686 --> 00:47:39,690
[Flynt] Jail is the worst place
in the world you can be, but...

848
00:47:39,773 --> 00:47:42,401
fearing jail is...

849
00:47:43,068 --> 00:47:44,486
even worse.

850
00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:49,324
[Karen] It was like a knife
over our heads all the time.

851
00:47:50,534 --> 00:47:53,871
We never ever talked about it
with anybody.

852
00:47:54,746 --> 00:47:56,748
Our parents didn't know what was going on.

853
00:47:57,416 --> 00:47:59,710
The kids didn't know what was going on.

854
00:47:59,793 --> 00:48:02,754
Our friends didn't know what was going on.

855
00:48:04,006 --> 00:48:07,009
I felt like I was going down
in an elevator

856
00:48:07,092 --> 00:48:10,345
and was losing everything
that was inside of me.

857
00:48:17,144 --> 00:48:19,730
[Rachel]
Did you know about the FBI charges?

858
00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:22,190
[Josh]
I didn't know about the prosecution.

859
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:24,484
I think I'd heard...

860
00:48:25,319 --> 00:48:30,741
something about a video being mailed
to Pennsylvania.

861
00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:33,493
They completely hid that
from us growing up.

862
00:48:33,577 --> 00:48:35,746
I don't remember knowing
about that at all.

863
00:48:36,622 --> 00:48:40,250
We just were completely kept in the dark
because... you know, we were kids,

864
00:48:40,334 --> 00:48:42,461
and we're not supposed to be
anywhere near that stuff.

865
00:48:42,544 --> 00:48:43,837
So because of that,

866
00:48:43,921 --> 00:48:46,131
I didn't have much of a connection
to the business.

867
00:48:49,343 --> 00:48:52,220
[Rachel]
Did you feel any connection to the store?

868
00:48:52,304 --> 00:48:57,184
I think the store definitely operated
in its own sphere outside the family,

869
00:48:57,267 --> 00:48:59,603
but I think that's fairly...

870
00:48:59,686 --> 00:49:01,939
There's a conventional element to that.

871
00:49:03,065 --> 00:49:04,066
Parents go to work.

872
00:49:04,149 --> 00:49:07,069
They don't necessarily talk
about what they do all the time.

873
00:49:08,111 --> 00:49:09,947
[woman 1] Stop rubbing your eyes!

874
00:49:11,907 --> 00:49:16,453
[Josh] I think the family at home
fell into a conventional pattern.

875
00:49:16,536 --> 00:49:18,622
-[Karen] Did Josh say that to you?
-[woman 2] Really?

876
00:49:18,705 --> 00:49:19,998
[Young Rachel] Yeah, he did.

877
00:49:20,749 --> 00:49:24,878
[Josh] We all talked about kids,
getting married, and being straight.

878
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:28,590
Nobody sort of questioned it.

879
00:49:31,843 --> 00:49:34,346
I think even my understanding of...

880
00:49:35,389 --> 00:49:39,267
um, gays and gay life was through...

881
00:49:40,185 --> 00:49:42,437
through the business in a strange way.

882
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,359
And I would like to say,
you've been a pretty good kid.

883
00:49:47,442 --> 00:49:49,528
I really like being your mother.

884
00:49:52,572 --> 00:49:54,282
Realizing I was gay

885
00:49:54,366 --> 00:50:00,038
was a kind of long, ambiguous period.

886
00:50:02,749 --> 00:50:05,502
I was keeping that secret
from the world...

887
00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:10,007
'cause being gay was not acceptable.

888
00:50:14,052 --> 00:50:16,722
[Rachel]
But did you ever know or see people

889
00:50:16,805 --> 00:50:18,682
that just were gay, like,

890
00:50:18,765 --> 00:50:22,144
and that, you know, you recognized
and like, "Oh, that's gay.

891
00:50:22,227 --> 00:50:24,980
-That's cool. That's like a thing."
-No. Definitely not.

892
00:50:25,063 --> 00:50:28,275
[chuckles]
I think I was kind of actively ignoring...

893
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:29,943
um...

894
00:50:30,652 --> 00:50:32,779
all the gay issues in the world...

895
00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:36,658
much like my straight high school friends.

896
00:50:36,742 --> 00:50:41,038
You just didn't talk about gays
or, you know, what it was like.

897
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:45,792
It was very archetypal,

898
00:50:45,876 --> 00:50:47,753
jocks picking on the gays.

899
00:50:48,128 --> 00:50:50,130
[Young Rachel laughs] Idiot!

900
00:50:51,048 --> 00:50:54,384
I did what I could to keep myself
out of the gay category,

901
00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:57,971
but I wasn't good enough
to be heterosexual.

902
00:50:58,055 --> 00:51:01,516
So I was just asexual
as far as they were concerned.

903
00:51:04,269 --> 00:51:06,313
I put a lot of pressure on myself

904
00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:10,692
to be the more conventional,
rule-follower child.

905
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:12,235
You ready, Dad?

906
00:51:14,905 --> 00:51:15,989
Whoa! Yeah!

907
00:51:16,448 --> 00:51:19,618
I think I filled every available gap

908
00:51:19,701 --> 00:51:21,870
in the day with some sort of activity.

909
00:51:22,579 --> 00:51:24,539
So I had diving,

910
00:51:24,623 --> 00:51:26,166
gymnastics team.

911
00:51:33,715 --> 00:51:37,928
[Rachel] Did you feel, like, pressure
to pretend that you were straight?

912
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:40,931
[Josh] There was a lot of pressure
towards dating.

913
00:51:42,432 --> 00:51:45,936
There were kids that lost their virginity
and stuff like that.

914
00:51:46,353 --> 00:51:48,271
Um... Not me.

915
00:51:52,234 --> 00:51:53,527
[Rachel]
It's just so weird to me

916
00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:56,530
that you wouldn't have thought
that I would have cared, right?

917
00:51:56,613 --> 00:51:58,782
I mean, I didn't care. I wouldn't...

918
00:51:58,865 --> 00:52:01,034
I mean, my world was gay anyway.

919
00:52:01,118 --> 00:52:03,995
Like, why wouldn't you have wanted
to jump into my world?

920
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,665
Your world was too gay.
[laughs]

921
00:52:06,748 --> 00:52:08,708
Your world was too gay.
It was too artsy.

922
00:52:08,792 --> 00:52:11,461
I didn't connect with it.
I think that was...

923
00:52:12,462 --> 00:52:13,672
That wasn't where I was.

924
00:52:13,755 --> 00:52:15,590
It's not where I am, I don't think.

925
00:52:20,929 --> 00:52:23,682
[Rachel] So, Fernando,
can you tell me how we met?

926
00:52:24,224 --> 00:52:26,184
[Fernando]
So, we met in ninth grade.

927
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:29,271
At that time,
you kind of recognized those people

928
00:52:29,354 --> 00:52:31,815
that were living
to the beat of their own drum,

929
00:52:31,898 --> 00:52:34,025
I would say, um, through...

930
00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:37,737
you know, hair, and clothes, and music.

931
00:52:37,821 --> 00:52:40,532
And you were one of those people

932
00:52:40,615 --> 00:52:44,327
that had the whole package
of what I was looking for in a friend,

933
00:52:44,411 --> 00:52:47,998
you know, someone that just, again,
walked to the beat of their own drum.

934
00:52:50,083 --> 00:52:52,210
[Young Rachel gasps] Ooh!

935
00:52:52,294 --> 00:52:54,171
Always looking for attention!

936
00:52:54,254 --> 00:52:58,175
[Young Rachel] Pssht!
Oh, nice coming from you, Miss Green.

937
00:52:58,258 --> 00:52:59,176
[laughs]

938
00:52:59,926 --> 00:53:05,056
[Rachel] Do you feel like our friend group
identified as the queer group at school?

939
00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:09,603
We didn't really identify as queer.

940
00:53:10,020 --> 00:53:16,193
In the '90s, we identified as weirdos,
artists, punk rockers, rebels.

941
00:53:16,276 --> 00:53:19,988
Like, that was our identity,
and that's what drew us all together.

942
00:53:20,071 --> 00:53:23,825
That's why it was so accepting
for all of our friends

943
00:53:23,909 --> 00:53:27,454
to experiment with their sexuality.

944
00:53:27,537 --> 00:53:31,041
Can I come over
and, like, hang out with your computer?

945
00:53:31,625 --> 00:53:32,459
[girl] Okay.

946
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,296
[Rachel] Do you remember
when I found out about the store?

947
00:53:36,379 --> 00:53:37,214
Yes.

948
00:53:38,590 --> 00:53:41,259
You had said,
"My parents own a bookstore."

949
00:53:41,801 --> 00:53:44,346
And I said,
"Oh, what bookstore do they own?"

950
00:53:44,429 --> 00:53:46,348
You're just like, "They own a bookstore.

951
00:53:46,431 --> 00:53:48,767
You probably never heard of it.
It's called Circus of Books."

952
00:53:49,517 --> 00:53:53,521
And we were like,
"Circus of Books? What?" [laughs]

953
00:53:53,605 --> 00:53:55,899
"Rachel, Circus of Book is a porno store!"

954
00:53:58,443 --> 00:54:00,654
[Rachel]
I just remember being really confused

955
00:54:00,737 --> 00:54:03,657
'cause it didn't align
with who I thought my parents were.

956
00:54:05,116 --> 00:54:08,870
It was sort of an interesting, fun secret,
but also kind of a dangerous secret,

957
00:54:08,954 --> 00:54:11,456
'cause I could definitely tell
it could easily be a problem.

958
00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:14,793
[Fernando] As rebellious and as precocious
as we were,

959
00:54:14,876 --> 00:54:16,586
we were still pretty innocent.

960
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:20,674
[Rachel]
What's funny to me is that

961
00:54:20,757 --> 00:54:25,136
I didn't think my parents got my world
with artists and queer kids.

962
00:54:26,096 --> 00:54:28,682
But they were actually intersecting
with my scene

963
00:54:28,765 --> 00:54:30,517
without me even realizing it.

964
00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:34,688
[Fernando] Yeah, it felt like
we had seen Karen and Barry one way,

965
00:54:34,771 --> 00:54:37,274
very parental
and a little bit more strict.

966
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,068
Certainly not subversive, you know?

967
00:54:40,151 --> 00:54:42,696
Certainly not part of the counterculture.

968
00:54:44,322 --> 00:54:48,159
But when we realized
they were invested in Circus of Books,

969
00:54:48,243 --> 00:54:51,371
it started to become clear to us

970
00:54:51,454 --> 00:54:54,958
your parents were more layered
than we had previously thought.

971
00:54:56,209 --> 00:54:59,754
It allowed us to realize

972
00:54:59,838 --> 00:55:01,965
that you can live as an adult

973
00:55:03,675 --> 00:55:05,343
without following the path

974
00:55:05,427 --> 00:55:07,429
that everyone's telling you
you need to follow.

975
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,102
[Weston] I think that
when your parents acquired their business,

976
00:55:14,185 --> 00:55:19,024
they really didn't know
what they were potentially facing,

977
00:55:19,107 --> 00:55:22,193
and the terrible thing about it was
that nobody could know.

978
00:55:23,653 --> 00:55:26,740
There was no way
to look at the obscenity statute

979
00:55:26,823 --> 00:55:29,617
and predict whether something
that one was selling

980
00:55:29,701 --> 00:55:31,411
might trigger a prosecution.

981
00:55:32,495 --> 00:55:36,499
[Karen] We knew people who had been
in this business and had gone to jail.

982
00:55:36,583 --> 00:55:41,713
But what I thought initially was,
"We'll just go out of business,"

983
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:45,800
and when we finally sat down
with John Weston,

984
00:55:45,884 --> 00:55:48,470
he said that is a terrible, terrible plan.

985
00:55:49,387 --> 00:55:52,223
[Weston] Government always wants
its pound of flesh.

986
00:55:53,016 --> 00:55:56,227
So, if at the very beginning of something,
you close it down,

987
00:55:56,853 --> 00:55:58,980
then you've got less to offer.

988
00:55:59,814 --> 00:56:02,233
[Karen]
If the war on drugs ever goes away,

989
00:56:02,317 --> 00:56:06,696
all these people who fight drugs
are going to lose their jobs.

990
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:10,825
Well, it was the same thing
with people who fought obscenity.

991
00:56:10,909 --> 00:56:13,203
They needed somebody to negotiate with,

992
00:56:13,286 --> 00:56:16,748
and so we were advised
not to close at all,

993
00:56:16,831 --> 00:56:19,167
but to stay in business and fight.

994
00:56:20,543 --> 00:56:23,380
[Micah] I mean, it's scary
when the government comes after you.

995
00:56:23,463 --> 00:56:25,882
That is just really powerful...

996
00:56:26,841 --> 00:56:29,010
and for basically religious reasons.

997
00:56:30,136 --> 00:56:32,180
It's pretty scary stuff to me.

998
00:56:33,431 --> 00:56:36,101
[Weston] I got a communication
from the government, saying,

999
00:56:36,184 --> 00:56:38,895
"We need Barry Mason to say, 'Guilty.'"

1000
00:56:40,021 --> 00:56:43,400
He has to be convicted and made guilty
of a felony.

1001
00:56:45,443 --> 00:56:48,905
Just at a human level, the idea
that Barry Mason should be a felon

1002
00:56:48,988 --> 00:56:50,323
was just unacceptable.

1003
00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:53,660
I mean, that's just not part
of any world that I'd wanna live in.

1004
00:56:54,661 --> 00:56:57,997
And so I implored them to reconsider.

1005
00:56:59,624 --> 00:57:01,668
To see who he was as a person,

1006
00:57:01,751 --> 00:57:04,587
and what the impact on him,
and his family,

1007
00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:06,589
and to some extent, you, would have been

1008
00:57:06,673 --> 00:57:08,633
if your dad had been forced
to stand up in court

1009
00:57:08,716 --> 00:57:11,886
and say, "Yes, I'm guilty.
I've committed a federal felony."

1010
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:18,810
[Barry] The reason it was resolved was
that Bill Clinton got elected.

1011
00:57:18,893 --> 00:57:21,771
The President of the United States,
Bill Clinton.

1012
00:57:22,355 --> 00:57:23,648
-All right.
-[applause]

1013
00:57:23,731 --> 00:57:24,732
Thank you.

1014
00:57:25,733 --> 00:57:28,736
So, the prosecutors got switched.

1015
00:57:28,820 --> 00:57:30,780
There was a different attitude
towards obscenity,

1016
00:57:30,864 --> 00:57:33,158
and I'm sure that created a climate

1017
00:57:33,241 --> 00:57:40,206
which allowed my earnest request
for reconsideration to be evaluated.

1018
00:57:40,623 --> 00:57:44,377
They were able
to see the fineness of your dad.

1019
00:57:47,755 --> 00:57:50,842
They accepted the guilty plea
by the corporation.

1020
00:57:51,384 --> 00:57:54,637
[Barry] Corporation pleads guilty.
They let you out on parole.

1021
00:57:55,263 --> 00:57:57,765
I had to just go down
to the Federal building once a month,

1022
00:57:57,849 --> 00:57:59,225
sign a little piece of paper

1023
00:57:59,309 --> 00:58:02,854
that said I didn't commit
any crimes that month,

1024
00:58:02,937 --> 00:58:06,774
and then that ended the whole situation.
I was off.

1025
00:58:07,984 --> 00:58:12,739
It turns out our First Amendment rights
are really protected

1026
00:58:12,822 --> 00:58:18,703
by the most extreme kind of speech
and the most extreme kind of material.

1027
00:58:20,121 --> 00:58:24,250
The greatest right
that any nation can afford its people

1028
00:58:24,334 --> 00:58:26,127
is the right to be left alone.

1029
00:58:27,337 --> 00:58:29,339
[Karen]
Josh needs a perfectly round head.

1030
00:58:29,422 --> 00:58:30,340
Say hi.

1031
00:58:36,137 --> 00:58:37,472
[Rachel]
So what did you just say?

1032
00:58:37,555 --> 00:58:42,644
So, in June, both stores had
the worst month they've ever had.

1033
00:58:43,102 --> 00:58:43,937
And...

1034
00:58:44,562 --> 00:58:48,650
it's still profitable, but it's not, um...

1035
00:58:48,733 --> 00:58:50,652
It's not sustainable.

1036
00:58:50,735 --> 00:58:53,571
At some point, it's just...

1037
00:58:53,655 --> 00:58:54,906
Like yesterday.

1038
00:58:56,115 --> 00:58:57,742
I was leaving the store,

1039
00:58:58,326 --> 00:59:00,203
and I'm trying to get out, and I can't,

1040
00:59:00,286 --> 00:59:02,622
because the man there
just bought something,

1041
00:59:02,705 --> 00:59:04,624
and he's got a walker.

1042
00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:07,085
And he's sort of looking
at what he bought,

1043
00:59:07,168 --> 00:59:08,545
so he's not opening the door.

1044
00:59:08,628 --> 00:59:11,047
And because he's got the walker,
he's stuck there.

1045
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:14,884
And this is our customer base.
They're aging, uh...

1046
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:16,886
mostly men...

1047
00:59:17,428 --> 00:59:19,430
who can barely even walk.

1048
00:59:19,514 --> 00:59:21,683
[Rachel]
Are you, like, mixing it in as a cereal?

1049
00:59:21,766 --> 00:59:24,227
[Barry] Yeah, 'cause otherwise,
you can't eat the little pieces.

1050
00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:25,687
This way, I can eat all the pieces.

1051
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:28,856
[Karen] So, I think
instead of a business decision,

1052
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:32,277
I have a psychology problem because...

1053
00:59:33,111 --> 00:59:35,989
you know, I've run this business
for all these years

1054
00:59:36,072 --> 00:59:37,865
without knowing what I'm doing,

1055
00:59:38,449 --> 00:59:40,368
and...

1056
00:59:40,952 --> 00:59:43,079
I need to close it,

1057
00:59:43,162 --> 00:59:48,751
but I still got people working for me
who won't get as good a job if they--

1058
00:59:48,835 --> 00:59:52,088
-That's cheese.
-Cottage cheese, yeah.

1059
00:59:52,171 --> 00:59:54,299
-If they, um...
-Cheese.

1060
00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:57,176
[Karen]
...you know, if we close.

1061
00:59:58,344 --> 00:59:59,554
I don't know.

1062
00:59:59,971 --> 01:00:01,639
You know, that's... I don't know.

1063
01:00:03,933 --> 01:00:07,061
And I don't know why you think
this is worth documenting.

1064
01:00:08,438 --> 01:00:11,774
Because, I mean,
this happens in small business.

1065
01:00:11,899 --> 01:00:15,987
It's just...
It's a different, um, business model.

1066
01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:17,488
I don't like all this filming.

1067
01:00:17,572 --> 01:00:20,450
I don't know what
you're gonna come up with from this.

1068
01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:25,872
[Alaska]
Karen and Barry were in a constant state

1069
01:00:25,955 --> 01:00:30,251
of... panic
about the collapse of their business.

1070
01:00:32,003 --> 01:00:34,172
And so, it was constantly like,

1071
01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:37,634
"Oh, this is it.
We're closing the doors this week.

1072
01:00:37,717 --> 01:00:39,844
This is it. This is the end."

1073
01:00:39,927 --> 01:00:41,512
That was always the case.

1074
01:00:41,596 --> 01:00:44,182
So, that's why I'm sort of in disbelief
about it closing.

1075
01:00:44,265 --> 01:00:46,726
I'm like,
"Well, it was always about to close."

1076
01:00:53,399 --> 01:00:55,026
[Karen]
These are letters of reference.

1077
01:00:55,109 --> 01:00:58,404
It just says, "He's worked for us
for over 25 years.

1078
01:00:58,488 --> 01:01:01,991
And if you need a good, honest,
reliable, hard-working employee,

1079
01:01:02,075 --> 01:01:03,826
you've found him in Ben."

1080
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:06,704
-Oh, I'm so sorry, but good for you.
-Thanks.

1081
01:01:09,123 --> 01:01:11,793
[Liefke]
Today is my last day. I'm retiring.

1082
01:01:13,419 --> 01:01:16,047
So, I'd say it's kind of a depressor,

1083
01:01:16,631 --> 01:01:18,007
but it's time.

1084
01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:23,388
The worst thing in the world
is laying off a good employee...

1085
01:01:25,431 --> 01:01:28,434
because you can't afford
to keep them anymore.

1086
01:01:28,518 --> 01:01:30,812
It's a terrible thing to do.

1087
01:01:33,022 --> 01:01:34,649
[Liefke]
The past will never come back.

1088
01:01:35,817 --> 01:01:38,236
And unless you're willing
to invest in the future,

1089
01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:40,988
there's no use even trying to...

1090
01:01:41,447 --> 01:01:43,533
exist anymore.

1091
01:01:45,618 --> 01:01:47,036
[Karen]
"As I'm sure you can see,

1092
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,749
business at the store is slowing down
despite our best efforts to improve sales.

1093
01:01:51,833 --> 01:01:53,000
This is to let you know

1094
01:01:53,084 --> 01:01:56,462
that I have listed the store for lease
with a real estate agent.

1095
01:01:56,546 --> 01:01:59,173
I welcome any suggestion
of new merchandise

1096
01:01:59,257 --> 01:02:02,051
and any ideas
for a different use of the space."

1097
01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:06,305
Post it here by the time clock.

1098
01:02:07,807 --> 01:02:08,808
Let me see.

1099
01:02:09,434 --> 01:02:10,768
Okay, so this is...

1100
01:02:12,145 --> 01:02:13,896
That's gonna go... They'll see it.

1101
01:02:19,736 --> 01:02:23,865
[Rachel] Can you describe that day
that you came out to Mom and Dad,

1102
01:02:23,948 --> 01:02:28,202
and what led you to feel
that you could be more open about it?

1103
01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:31,247
What led you to really think
that you should be?

1104
01:02:31,330 --> 01:02:35,376
So, it probably wasn't
until after high school

1105
01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:39,338
that it even started
to enter my mind as an option.

1106
01:02:39,422 --> 01:02:43,509
And it wasn't really until college
that I sort of started transitioning

1107
01:02:43,593 --> 01:02:50,057
from, um, who I was outwardly
towards who I felt like I was inwardly.

1108
01:02:52,935 --> 01:02:55,605
I came home a number of times from college

1109
01:02:55,688 --> 01:02:59,484
expecting to come out,
and it didn't happen.

1110
01:03:01,444 --> 01:03:04,989
I put a lot of pressure on myself
to kind of make it happen.

1111
01:03:07,617 --> 01:03:10,203
I made sure I had my flight...

1112
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,163
booked and paid for,

1113
01:03:12,663 --> 01:03:17,084
'cause it wasn't an impossible thought

1114
01:03:17,168 --> 01:03:20,505
that, um, you know,
I was gonna get thrown out.

1115
01:03:22,548 --> 01:03:23,382
Yeah.

1116
01:03:25,051 --> 01:03:26,052
Are you okay?

1117
01:03:26,135 --> 01:03:27,512
[Rachel sniffles]

1118
01:03:32,391 --> 01:03:34,185
[Josh]
Should I read the questions to myself?

1119
01:03:34,268 --> 01:03:37,396
No, I'm sorry.
It's just upsetting to me to hear that.

1120
01:03:42,151 --> 01:03:43,236
[Karen] Friday night dinner,

1121
01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:46,113
just before he was going back
to school at Columbia.

1122
01:03:46,781 --> 01:03:48,783
[Barry] He was at one end
of our dining room table,

1123
01:03:48,866 --> 01:03:50,034
and I was at the other.

1124
01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:56,082
[Josh] Someone was having a conversation
that required a Post-It Note and a pen.

1125
01:03:56,999 --> 01:04:00,211
And I just started scribbling
on the Post-It Note, "I'm gay."

1126
01:04:02,505 --> 01:04:05,299
I flung the pen and paper on the table.

1127
01:04:06,843 --> 01:04:10,304
And I'm trying to see who wrote this note,
'cause it didn't have his name on it.

1128
01:04:12,139 --> 01:04:15,393
Finally, his mother and him went upstairs,

1129
01:04:15,476 --> 01:04:16,978
and I said, "Wow! It's Josh."

1130
01:04:19,564 --> 01:04:22,233
[Karen] I said, "Are you sure?
Why are you doing this?

1131
01:04:22,650 --> 01:04:24,360
God must be punishing me."

1132
01:04:25,653 --> 01:04:28,281
[Josh] God would punish her
for having this business,

1133
01:04:28,656 --> 01:04:32,034
and I think she was thinking
this was a punishment.

1134
01:04:35,538 --> 01:04:37,290
[Karen] Up until that point,

1135
01:04:37,373 --> 01:04:43,796
it had just existed somewhere
outside any of my core values.

1136
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,256
It wasn't, uh...

1137
01:04:45,339 --> 01:04:48,593
It wasn't something
I really needed to think very hard about.

1138
01:04:49,135 --> 01:04:53,514
I was fine with anybody who was gay
as far as I was concerned,

1139
01:04:53,598 --> 01:04:57,768
but I really wasn't prepared
to have a gay child.

1140
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,023
[Josh] I was actually expecting Dad
to be more upset about it,

1141
01:05:02,106 --> 01:05:05,902
just 'cause it's usually the dad
that throws the gay son out of the house.

1142
01:05:06,819 --> 01:05:09,488
And he was...
Yeah, he was really good about it.

1143
01:05:11,032 --> 01:05:13,910
[Barry] When he told us,
I was just simply surprised.

1144
01:05:14,368 --> 01:05:17,371
The only thing
that I was even slightly upset about was

1145
01:05:17,455 --> 01:05:19,790
that he had kept it a secret,

1146
01:05:19,874 --> 01:05:22,793
because it would have made
absolutely no difference to me.

1147
01:05:26,797 --> 01:05:28,799
His plane was the next morning,

1148
01:05:28,883 --> 01:05:31,677
so we didn't get a chance
to talk much about it.

1149
01:05:33,054 --> 01:05:35,056
[Josh]
As we were driving to the airport,

1150
01:05:35,431 --> 01:05:37,767
he said, "You know...

1151
01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:40,853
men can take advantage of other men

1152
01:05:40,937 --> 01:05:43,439
just as much as men can take advantage
of women."

1153
01:05:44,231 --> 01:05:47,193
Which I thought was actually quite astute.

1154
01:05:51,739 --> 01:05:54,951
Why do you think
Mom had any issue whatsoever

1155
01:05:55,034 --> 01:05:57,244
when she was so deeply in this world?

1156
01:05:58,162 --> 01:06:04,585
Everything about the business was really
in support of family, ironically.

1157
01:06:06,128 --> 01:06:08,965
The gay part of it fell
on the business side

1158
01:06:09,048 --> 01:06:11,384
of that mental dividing line.

1159
01:06:14,261 --> 01:06:16,764
[Karen]
I never thought of my employees

1160
01:06:16,847 --> 01:06:20,768
in the same way
that I thought about my son.

1161
01:06:22,812 --> 01:06:25,564
I was fine working with gay people,

1162
01:06:26,148 --> 01:06:31,487
but when it came to my own family
and what I had absorbed in the religion,

1163
01:06:31,570 --> 01:06:33,322
I was not fine at all.

1164
01:06:35,116 --> 01:06:36,659
When it came to my own son,

1165
01:06:36,742 --> 01:06:42,623
I realized that I had some thoughts
about gay people that needed to change.

1166
01:06:52,717 --> 01:06:55,886
Well, I don't know why he didn't come,
the trash.

1167
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:57,388
What day does he come?

1168
01:06:58,097 --> 01:07:00,975
-I think Thursdays, but I can check.
-Well, that's today.

1169
01:07:11,819 --> 01:07:14,405
[Rachel] Why were you saying
that you wanna close in June?

1170
01:07:14,989 --> 01:07:16,991
You know, if it's... Sales are bad.

1171
01:07:17,074 --> 01:07:19,160
We're trying to keep our staff.

1172
01:07:19,243 --> 01:07:22,038
It seems, because the business is so slow,

1173
01:07:22,121 --> 01:07:25,708
they're not even doing
kind of minimal straightening.

1174
01:07:26,667 --> 01:07:27,501
So...

1175
01:07:29,253 --> 01:07:31,922
You know, everybody's kind of done here.

1176
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,133
So, goodbye...

1177
01:07:34,925 --> 01:07:36,218
to this box.

1178
01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:42,349
You know, if I thought
it was a viable business for anybody,

1179
01:07:42,433 --> 01:07:44,602
then I would put it up for sale,

1180
01:07:44,685 --> 01:07:47,688
but I don't think
that anybody will be able to make it

1181
01:07:47,772 --> 01:07:49,273
more than what we make it.

1182
01:07:49,732 --> 01:07:53,319
But, you know, it may go another year,
say, or something.

1183
01:07:53,402 --> 01:07:56,155
Or not. It's hard to know.

1184
01:07:57,323 --> 01:07:59,075
Which is why I wish your movie was done,

1185
01:07:59,158 --> 01:08:01,869
so I could see how it would end too.
I would like that.

1186
01:08:04,455 --> 01:08:06,749
This is a statement about this business.

1187
01:08:06,832 --> 01:08:07,833
[chuckles]

1188
01:08:09,794 --> 01:08:12,213
It kind of all ended up in the dumpster.

1189
01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:20,304
Here.

1190
01:08:20,387 --> 01:08:22,473
I just think it's kind of interesting.

1191
01:08:22,556 --> 01:08:23,891
[chuckling]

1192
01:08:23,974 --> 01:08:25,684
That's, like, a sales, you know...

1193
01:08:26,393 --> 01:08:28,020
It tracks it.

1194
01:08:29,688 --> 01:08:32,066
Okay, so this is 2008,

1195
01:08:32,525 --> 01:08:36,904
which is, like, the recession
and also the Internet,

1196
01:08:36,987 --> 01:08:39,907
and then you can just see it going down.

1197
01:08:42,034 --> 01:08:46,080
When people started selling
on the Internet, we didn't.

1198
01:08:46,163 --> 01:08:48,791
We have a website,
but it really doesn't sell anything.

1199
01:08:48,874 --> 01:08:52,002
Well, it just tells people what we have
and they come into our stores.

1200
01:08:53,838 --> 01:08:57,925
I've wondered how they could survive
with the Internet,

1201
01:08:58,008 --> 01:09:00,928
because porno was devastated.

1202
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,473
You can't sell
what people can get for free.

1203
01:09:05,224 --> 01:09:07,560
[reporter]
Pornography is pushing the limits online.

1204
01:09:07,935 --> 01:09:11,397
Sexually explicit material
is increasingly available on the Internet.

1205
01:09:12,648 --> 01:09:16,485
The Internet totally devastated
my business.

1206
01:09:16,569 --> 01:09:18,195
It robbed me of my income.

1207
01:09:19,363 --> 01:09:23,367
It also could be considered
the death knell of the gay bar,

1208
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:25,911
because you don't need to go
to a bar anymore to meet somebody.

1209
01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:27,663
You can meet them online.

1210
01:09:27,746 --> 01:09:29,373
Grindr or SCRUFF.

1211
01:09:31,625 --> 01:09:34,587
[Alaska]
In a lot of ways, the Internet has helped,

1212
01:09:34,670 --> 01:09:37,548
because we don't have to live,
like, in the shadows

1213
01:09:37,631 --> 01:09:40,509
and so, like, oppressed
and afraid anymore.

1214
01:09:40,593 --> 01:09:42,386
But I also think it's, you know...

1215
01:09:42,469 --> 01:09:45,014
I mean, it just sucks
that the younger generation is...

1216
01:09:45,097 --> 01:09:48,392
It's so hard to just talk face-to-face
with one another.

1217
01:09:49,935 --> 01:09:52,897
[Weston]
They weren't just places of commerce.

1218
01:09:52,980 --> 01:09:55,357
They were places of gathering
where people could get together.

1219
01:09:55,441 --> 01:09:59,320
They were places where people could meet
in all the best senses.

1220
01:10:00,029 --> 01:10:01,989
The material may be delivered,

1221
01:10:02,072 --> 01:10:05,409
but it's not going to be a substitute
for human interaction,

1222
01:10:05,492 --> 01:10:07,119
and to the extent that's what's going on,

1223
01:10:07,203 --> 01:10:09,622
I think that's a tragic
and irreplaceable loss.

1224
01:10:19,256 --> 01:10:22,051
I don't think they're gonna want
any of these papers.

1225
01:10:23,302 --> 01:10:24,970
I don't know what I'm giving them anymore.

1226
01:10:25,054 --> 01:10:28,307
It's been such a long time
since I put this stuff in here.

1227
01:10:30,768 --> 01:10:32,770
-[man] I've heard his name, though.
-[Karen] Yeah.

1228
01:10:32,853 --> 01:10:35,439
So, those are some of his covers.

1229
01:10:35,522 --> 01:10:37,358
He was really a nice guy.

1230
01:10:37,942 --> 01:10:40,486
You know, I would like...
If he's not in ONE Archive,

1231
01:10:40,569 --> 01:10:42,613
I think he would like to be in it, so...

1232
01:10:44,323 --> 01:10:45,908
[man] I think you have to sign this.

1233
01:10:47,117 --> 01:10:49,203
-Oh, what?
-It's a deed of gift.

1234
01:10:49,286 --> 01:10:51,372
Just basically saying
that you're giving the materials.

1235
01:10:51,455 --> 01:10:52,665
-Right there.
-Oh, okay.

1236
01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:57,127
And if you don't want it,
just throw it away, 'cause, um...

1237
01:10:57,211 --> 01:10:59,755
You don't know who you're talking to.
We never throw anything away.

1238
01:10:59,838 --> 01:11:02,174
But whatever it is that you have,
we're happy to look at it.

1239
01:11:02,258 --> 01:11:04,426
[Karen] I don't think
we have anything you want there.

1240
01:11:04,510 --> 01:11:06,512
But as long as I'm here,
I'd just like to look at...

1241
01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:09,807
I just think this is really
where it all started.

1242
01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:13,602
So, where the erotica was,
or where the pulp fiction was,

1243
01:11:13,686 --> 01:11:16,188
they would basically put it
behind a big curtain.

1244
01:11:16,605 --> 01:11:19,775
So, there was the problem
of being caught by the police,

1245
01:11:19,858 --> 01:11:22,361
or there was, alternatively,
the problem that...

1246
01:11:22,444 --> 01:11:23,737
the good problem, perhaps,

1247
01:11:23,821 --> 01:11:26,573
that you could meet somebody else
who was looking for the same material.

1248
01:11:26,657 --> 01:11:30,202
So, it was actually a really great thing
to be able to go get them.

1249
01:11:30,286 --> 01:11:32,329
I remember going to Circus of Books,

1250
01:11:32,413 --> 01:11:35,791
and it was a place where you could go
and find other people like yourself.

1251
01:11:35,874 --> 01:11:37,584
[Karen]
The store served its purpose,

1252
01:11:37,668 --> 01:11:40,212
and it's just not...

1253
01:11:40,713 --> 01:11:42,089
[stammering]

1254
01:11:42,172 --> 01:11:43,966
I'll be happy when it's closing.

1255
01:11:44,049 --> 01:11:46,135
Thank you for your donation.
I really appreciate it.

1256
01:11:46,218 --> 01:11:48,846
Well, it's just some stuff.

1257
01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:55,394
This is important, I think.
Much more than our store, this is...

1258
01:11:56,186 --> 01:12:00,649
I mean, the courage that it took
to put these out month after month.

1259
01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:02,443
They had to go in secret.

1260
01:12:02,526 --> 01:12:06,780
But can you imagine some kid
in Iowa or someplace

1261
01:12:06,864 --> 01:12:10,534
getting a copy of this and thinking,
"God! I'm not the only one."

1262
01:12:11,452 --> 01:12:12,786
It's just amazing.

1263
01:12:14,371 --> 01:12:16,623
Should be doing the documentary
about this.

1264
01:12:19,418 --> 01:12:20,919
When Josh came out,

1265
01:12:21,003 --> 01:12:24,089
the next morning,
we took him to the airport,

1266
01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:27,343
and the rule was
that when he got to his dorm,

1267
01:12:27,426 --> 01:12:29,928
he had to call
and say he got to his dorm.

1268
01:12:30,012 --> 01:12:33,849
And so we waited and waited,
and he didn't call,

1269
01:12:33,932 --> 01:12:36,101
and finally, I picked up the phone,
and I said to him,

1270
01:12:36,185 --> 01:12:37,603
"You know, no matter what you are,

1271
01:12:37,686 --> 01:12:40,773
you still have to call your mother
and say you got to your dorm."

1272
01:12:42,441 --> 01:12:46,695
It was much harder for me
to then begin talking about it.

1273
01:12:48,864 --> 01:12:50,991
Karen did not, could not,

1274
01:12:51,533 --> 01:12:55,037
tell any of her friends for a year.

1275
01:12:57,664 --> 01:13:00,959
[Karen]
I was sitting there in the congregation

1276
01:13:01,043 --> 01:13:03,128
just trying to find

1277
01:13:03,212 --> 01:13:06,757
how I was gonna get through
this struggle that I had with who he was,

1278
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,258
my wonderful son.

1279
01:13:09,843 --> 01:13:14,390
The idea that he was homosexual
was an abomination in our religion.

1280
01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:18,060
In a marriage like Daddy's and mine,

1281
01:13:18,143 --> 01:13:21,480
the non-religious spouse
has much less trouble

1282
01:13:21,563 --> 01:13:23,774
accepting their homosexual child

1283
01:13:23,857 --> 01:13:25,943
than the religious spouse.

1284
01:13:29,154 --> 01:13:32,074
[Rachel]
Why didn't you ever just drop religion?

1285
01:13:32,616 --> 01:13:35,369
You know, it's just not an option for me.

1286
01:13:36,745 --> 01:13:39,790
If your way of being in the world is
to be religious,

1287
01:13:40,249 --> 01:13:42,543
accepting God is just easier.

1288
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:47,089
But being religious is not easy.
You have to work at that, too.

1289
01:13:51,385 --> 01:13:57,057
I needed to rethink my theology
in order to be okay with it.

1290
01:13:59,143 --> 01:14:01,562
I took Bible study classes.

1291
01:14:01,645 --> 01:14:04,273
You know, what does
the word "abomination" mean?

1292
01:14:04,356 --> 01:14:07,234
Why do they say that
in relation to homosexuality?

1293
01:14:07,317 --> 01:14:10,404
And what were they really saying
in the context of the time?

1294
01:14:12,823 --> 01:14:17,202
It was a long time of searching,
and acceptance, and learning

1295
01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:23,292
that there was a really profound group
of thinkers, and leaders,

1296
01:14:23,375 --> 01:14:26,003
and people who happened to be gay,

1297
01:14:26,086 --> 01:14:29,673
and were forming these wonderful,
vibrant communities.

1298
01:14:31,091 --> 01:14:32,676
[Barry]
We got involved with PFLAG,

1299
01:14:32,759 --> 01:14:35,721
and she met other women
that had similar experiences.

1300
01:14:36,889 --> 01:14:40,851
It's called Parents, Families, and Friends
of Lesbians and Gays,

1301
01:14:40,934 --> 01:14:43,687
and it's a support group for people

1302
01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:48,192
who need help understanding
what gender issues are.

1303
01:14:49,443 --> 01:14:53,739
She really went through
kind of a transformation after that.

1304
01:14:54,823 --> 01:14:59,620
[Karen] I was not not gonna be
his best mother that I could be.

1305
01:15:01,330 --> 01:15:05,167
Your children have their own path,
and you can't direct it.

1306
01:15:06,418 --> 01:15:10,589
You can only take them
the first few steps on their way.

1307
01:15:12,424 --> 01:15:15,886
But it sure took a lot of work
to come around.

1308
01:15:16,929 --> 01:15:21,058
So we're gonna start
with the Masons telling their story,

1309
01:15:21,141 --> 01:15:22,059
and you...

1310
01:15:22,142 --> 01:15:25,103
Would you like to go first, Karen,
since Barry went first the other time?

1311
01:15:25,187 --> 01:15:28,398
I think let Barry go first.
He has the better story.

1312
01:15:28,482 --> 01:15:31,318
-That'll compensate for you.
-Well.

1313
01:15:32,027 --> 01:15:33,237
Okay, so... [clears throat]

1314
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:37,324
About 15 years ago,

1315
01:15:37,407 --> 01:15:40,744
our son was coming back
from college in New York.

1316
01:15:41,620 --> 01:15:44,039
Now, we're big shots in PFLAG,

1317
01:15:44,122 --> 01:15:46,792
and we just talk about it to them,

1318
01:15:46,875 --> 01:15:48,919
try and make them feel
more comfortable with it.

1319
01:15:49,002 --> 01:15:52,464
And I didn't have a clue that he was gay,
not a clue.

1320
01:15:54,633 --> 01:15:58,720
[Karen] I'm a trained facilitator,
so I can lead support groups.

1321
01:15:58,804 --> 01:16:02,349
I'm kind of the poster child, I think,

1322
01:16:02,432 --> 01:16:06,270
for somebody
who had a really bad reaction to it.

1323
01:16:06,353 --> 01:16:10,566
And I'd like to take back everything
I said to him the night he came out,

1324
01:16:10,649 --> 01:16:12,693
but it doesn't go away,

1325
01:16:12,776 --> 01:16:15,779
and unfortunately, I speak a lot,
so I have to remember it.

1326
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,867
Their involvement
in PFLAG has been amazing.

1327
01:16:21,577 --> 01:16:22,953
I think at some point...

1328
01:16:24,037 --> 01:16:28,458
Mom said that it's the parents' role
to fight for change,

1329
01:16:28,542 --> 01:16:30,335
and it's the kids' role

1330
01:16:30,419 --> 01:16:34,548
to have as normal a life as possible
and just get on with things.

1331
01:16:37,050 --> 01:16:38,594
[inaudible]

1332
01:16:38,677 --> 01:16:42,139
[Karen] You just always think
you know what's best,

1333
01:16:42,222 --> 01:16:43,390
and you're wrong.

1334
01:16:44,975 --> 01:16:46,602
Yeah, parents, uh...

1335
01:16:47,352 --> 01:16:50,314
are only smart
for a very small window of time.

1336
01:16:50,397 --> 01:16:51,565
[laughs]

1337
01:16:51,648 --> 01:16:54,693
I'm happy with who I am because of them.

1338
01:16:55,527 --> 01:16:57,195
So, um...

1339
01:16:58,697 --> 01:16:59,531
Yeah.

1340
01:17:00,032 --> 01:17:02,200
I'm not very good
at finishing my sentences.

1341
01:17:05,037 --> 01:17:10,667
I've spent the last 20 years helping
other people understand and accept

1342
01:17:10,751 --> 01:17:16,632
the gender variations in their children,
and there are a lot of gender variations.

1343
01:17:17,424 --> 01:17:18,592
And they're all okay,

1344
01:17:19,301 --> 01:17:21,261
and I hope you put that in this movie.

1345
01:17:25,891 --> 01:17:27,684
[indistinct chatter]

1346
01:17:32,105 --> 01:17:33,023
[Rachel] Mom!

1347
01:17:33,774 --> 01:17:36,401
Now I wanna find my, uh, husband

1348
01:17:36,485 --> 01:17:38,445
so that we get a group picture.

1349
01:17:38,528 --> 01:17:41,073
-Okay. Yeah.
-You guys will be at the end.

1350
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:49,122
[Rachel] We're taking a picture?
You're here to take a picture? Good.

1351
01:17:52,334 --> 01:17:54,419
Dad, give me the camera.
You should go in.

1352
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:56,254
Okay, I'll get one.

1353
01:18:00,425 --> 01:18:02,010
-[camera shutter clicking]
-[Rachel] Okay.

1354
01:18:03,762 --> 01:18:07,432
Well, you organized a really big picture.
That was hard.

1355
01:18:08,558 --> 01:18:10,644
I know, and don't keep calling me,

1356
01:18:10,727 --> 01:18:12,729
'cause this is like my job
at PFLAG to do this.

1357
01:18:12,813 --> 01:18:13,980
[Rachel] I'm not. That was it.

1358
01:18:14,064 --> 01:18:15,273
Hi again!

1359
01:18:17,401 --> 01:18:20,529
[announcer] Parents and Friends
of Lesbians and Gays, PFLAG!

1360
01:18:20,612 --> 01:18:22,280
[cheering]

1361
01:18:22,948 --> 01:18:24,783
[announcer] Forty years,
ladies and gentlemen,

1362
01:18:24,866 --> 01:18:27,077
Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays,

1363
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,162
moms, dads, brothers, sisters,

1364
01:18:30,038 --> 01:18:31,957
proud parents.

1365
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,584
[crowd cheering]

1366
01:18:36,086 --> 01:18:37,337
[Karen]
If you watch the parade,

1367
01:18:37,421 --> 01:18:39,923
you'll see nobody gets
this kind of cheering.

1368
01:18:40,006 --> 01:18:41,675
Just the PFLAG,

1369
01:18:41,758 --> 01:18:44,469
and it's for the parents
who came before us,

1370
01:18:44,553 --> 01:18:48,181
the people who were there
when there was nobody standing up

1371
01:18:48,265 --> 01:18:50,183
for the people who came out as gay.

1372
01:18:52,894 --> 01:18:55,021
I wish my parents were here.

1373
01:18:55,105 --> 01:18:57,149
[crowd cheering]

1374
01:18:58,942 --> 01:19:01,778
-[Rachel] Dad, look, there's your store.
-I know!

1375
01:19:03,113 --> 01:19:04,489
[woman in crowd]
Whoo, Barry!

1376
01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:21,089
No one has ever given us
anything we haven't had to fight for.

1377
01:19:25,719 --> 01:19:29,431
I have seen so many changes in this world.

1378
01:19:31,516 --> 01:19:33,059
For the better and for the worse.

1379
01:19:36,354 --> 01:19:38,899
But I have hope, and there is hope.

1380
01:19:39,441 --> 01:19:42,652
I'm not gonna end this on a sour note.

1381
01:19:43,195 --> 01:19:44,446
This is a good note,

1382
01:19:44,529 --> 01:19:48,575
because people are more together today
than they ever have been.

1383
01:20:09,012 --> 01:20:10,806
[Karen]
It's our last hour, so shop quick.

1384
01:20:10,889 --> 01:20:12,557
-[male customer] Last hour?
-Yep.

1385
01:20:12,641 --> 01:20:15,185
We're gonna put up
the closed sign pretty soon.

1386
01:20:16,394 --> 01:20:18,563
You can be the last customer maybe.

1387
01:20:19,064 --> 01:20:20,023
Okay.

1388
01:20:21,066 --> 01:20:24,361
Owner of the last item
sold by Circus of Books.

1389
01:20:24,444 --> 01:20:25,362
[female customer] Yeah.

1390
01:20:25,946 --> 01:20:28,323
Well, I always like
to be anonymous, but...

1391
01:20:28,406 --> 01:20:31,117
Well, you could sign it "anonymous"
if you really wanna be a purist.

1392
01:20:31,201 --> 01:20:33,870
No, at this point,
I'm pretty public about it.

1393
01:20:33,954 --> 01:20:34,788
All right!

1394
01:20:34,871 --> 01:20:36,164
[Karen] Okay.

1395
01:20:39,626 --> 01:20:43,672
Barry and Karen have always been
like Mom and Dad almost.

1396
01:20:43,755 --> 01:20:46,341
You know, we've always had...

1397
01:20:46,424 --> 01:20:49,344
-Our surrogate. Like family here.
-Yeah.

1398
01:20:49,803 --> 01:20:51,555
-Goodbye, Karen.
-Bud, you're great.

1399
01:20:51,638 --> 01:20:53,765
Thank you. I'll miss you.

1400
01:20:53,849 --> 01:20:56,852
Well, you're gonna go on
to do good things. I know you are.

1401
01:20:56,935 --> 01:20:58,937
-It was great working with you.
-Thank you, Barry.

1402
01:20:59,020 --> 01:21:01,314
-And I hope everything goes well.
-Thank you.

1403
01:21:02,524 --> 01:21:04,442
-I need to give you a hug.
-Oh, Karen!

1404
01:21:04,985 --> 01:21:07,362
-Thank you so much for everything.
-You've been wonderful.

1405
01:21:19,791 --> 01:21:21,459
[Karen]
It's not an easy trick to be married

1406
01:21:21,543 --> 01:21:24,379
and be in business together
for such a long time.

1407
01:21:24,462 --> 01:21:27,716
-Very hard, actually. [laughs]
-Yeah, he had to listen to me a lot.

1408
01:21:28,717 --> 01:21:31,595
["In the Circus" playing]

1409
01:21:32,679 --> 01:21:37,976
♪ Who's in the circus? ♪

1410
01:21:38,059 --> 01:21:43,315
♪ Who's on the trapeze? ♪

1411
01:21:43,398 --> 01:21:48,528
♪ Who's in the circus with me? ♪

1412
01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:54,200
♪ Who's on the trapeze? ♪

1413
01:22:03,460 --> 01:22:05,462
["Give You Everything" playing]

1414
01:22:12,761 --> 01:22:16,723
♪ Wait on the corner
Till I give you a sign ♪

1415
01:22:16,806 --> 01:22:19,351
♪ Can you see my red bandanna? ♪

1416
01:22:19,434 --> 01:22:21,561
♪ It's set to the right ♪

1417
01:22:21,645 --> 01:22:27,651
♪ We'll get along for the ride ♪

1418
01:22:41,748 --> 01:22:44,918
♪ This is where the sunlight ♪

1419
01:22:45,001 --> 01:22:46,795
♪ Lives on the ground ♪

1420
01:22:46,878 --> 01:22:49,381
♪ It's where lovers meet ♪

1421
01:22:49,464 --> 01:22:51,758
♪ When they need to be found ♪

1422
01:22:51,841 --> 01:22:57,263
♪ It's where you gave me the look
That took me out ♪

1423
01:22:57,347 --> 01:23:02,018
♪ And away and over ♪

1424
01:23:02,102 --> 01:23:05,647
♪ And away ♪

1425
01:23:05,730 --> 01:23:08,566
♪ Let me celebrate ♪

1426
01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:10,860
♪ What you don't understand ♪

1427
01:23:10,944 --> 01:23:13,738
♪ It's where I get the strength ♪

1428
01:23:13,822 --> 01:23:15,740
♪ To be who I am ♪

1429
01:23:15,824 --> 01:23:18,576
♪ And if you give me a look ♪

1430
01:23:18,702 --> 01:23:25,583
♪ I promise I'll always
Give you everything that I have ♪

1431
01:23:25,667 --> 01:23:31,172
♪ Always give you everything that I have ♪

1432
01:23:39,305 --> 01:23:43,810
♪ Cruisin' the alley
With a broken taillight ♪

1433
01:23:43,893 --> 01:23:48,106
♪ Lose a few dollars
But get a good price ♪

1434
01:23:48,189 --> 01:23:52,777
♪ You'll be a friend for the night ♪

1435
01:23:57,490 --> 01:24:03,747
♪ I'll be a friend for the night ♪

1436
01:24:17,719 --> 01:24:20,889
♪ This is where the sunlight ♪

1437
01:24:20,972 --> 01:24:22,849
♪ Lives in the sand ♪

1438
01:24:22,932 --> 01:24:25,185
♪ It's where I want to be ♪

1439
01:24:25,268 --> 01:24:27,562
♪ Whenever I need a hand ♪

1440
01:24:27,645 --> 01:24:33,193
♪ It's where you gave me the look
That took me out ♪

1441
01:24:33,276 --> 01:24:37,947
♪ And away and over ♪

1442
01:24:38,031 --> 01:24:41,659
♪ And away ♪

1443
01:24:41,743 --> 01:24:44,454
♪ Let me celebrate ♪

1444
01:24:44,537 --> 01:24:46,956
♪ What you don't understand ♪

1445
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:49,709
♪ It's where I get the strength ♪

1446
01:24:49,793 --> 01:24:51,628
♪ To be who I am ♪

1447
01:24:51,711 --> 01:24:54,380
♪ And if you give me a look ♪

1448
01:24:54,464 --> 01:25:00,553
♪ I promise I'll always
Give you everything ♪

1449
01:25:00,637 --> 01:25:05,642
♪ Always give you everything ♪

1450
01:25:05,725 --> 01:25:12,398
♪ Always give you everything
That I have ♪

1451
01:25:14,025 --> 01:25:17,570
♪ That I have ♪

1452
01:25:17,654 --> 01:25:20,532
♪ Let me celebrate ♪

1453
01:25:20,615 --> 01:25:22,826
♪ What you don't understand ♪

1454
01:25:22,909 --> 01:25:25,703
♪ It's where I get the strength ♪

1455
01:25:25,787 --> 01:25:27,664
♪ To be who I am ♪

1456
01:25:27,747 --> 01:25:30,333
♪ And if you give me a look ♪

1457
01:25:30,416 --> 01:25:37,090
♪ I promise I'll always
Give you everything that I have ♪

1458
01:25:37,173 --> 01:25:43,930
♪ Always give you everything that I have ♪



