1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:56,143 --> 00:00:58,710 - Come on, you guys! 4 00:00:58,754 --> 00:01:00,843 You know I can't bend over. 5 00:01:03,802 --> 00:01:05,891 Basketball was just about my whole life 6 00:01:05,935 --> 00:01:07,067 when I was growin' up. 7 00:01:08,111 --> 00:01:09,721 I wanted people to like me, 8 00:01:09,765 --> 00:01:11,680 and like any kid when they're young, 9 00:01:11,723 --> 00:01:13,943 and get a lot of attention, I suppose. 10 00:01:16,815 --> 00:01:19,079 I've been asked over and over again, 11 00:01:19,122 --> 00:01:20,993 "Did you start the jump shot?" 12 00:01:22,299 --> 00:01:24,127 I've had sports writers get pretty upset with me 13 00:01:24,171 --> 00:01:26,086 'cause that's what they want me to say. 14 00:01:27,739 --> 00:01:29,828 What else could they talk about? 15 00:01:29,872 --> 00:01:32,483 There's nobody today hardlyalive that saw me play. 16 00:01:35,225 --> 00:01:37,880 I've experienced much in my lifetime. 17 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:39,751 I've had to let go of things 18 00:01:39,795 --> 00:01:41,797 that were really important to me. 19 00:01:43,581 --> 00:01:46,845 And I like I say, it'snice to know who you are, 20 00:01:46,889 --> 00:01:49,283 and where you're goin'when you leave this world. 21 00:01:55,767 --> 00:01:57,639 - The shot is the jump shot. 22 00:01:57,682 --> 00:01:58,857 - It's up to Jenkins 23 00:01:58,901 --> 00:01:59,815 for the championship! 24 00:02:01,686 --> 00:02:03,340 Look at those little champions! 25 00:02:03,384 --> 00:02:05,864 - The jump shot'sin every part of the game. 26 00:02:05,908 --> 00:02:06,778 - Puts it up. 27 00:02:06,822 --> 00:02:09,825 Yes! 28 00:02:09,868 --> 00:02:12,088 - Nothing has ever changed a sport 29 00:02:12,132 --> 00:02:14,177 like the jump shot changed basketball. 30 00:02:14,221 --> 00:02:16,136 - Smart takes the shot! 31 00:02:16,179 --> 00:02:18,312 - When you'retalking about the jump shot, 32 00:02:18,355 --> 00:02:20,923 you're talking about the very fabric of the game. 33 00:02:20,966 --> 00:02:21,837 - You don't realizethat there was a time 34 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,839 that there was no jump shot. 35 00:02:23,882 --> 00:02:26,972 - When it was sideshot game, you needed space. 36 00:02:27,016 --> 00:02:28,713 - You had to be wide open, 37 00:02:28,757 --> 00:02:30,672 or you couldn't get your shot off. 38 00:02:30,715 --> 00:02:31,760 - It's almost like they were playing 39 00:02:31,803 --> 00:02:33,631 in slow motion defensively. 40 00:02:33,675 --> 00:02:36,330 How you allowed that guyto even get that shot off. 41 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:38,723 - Basketball is a game of innovation. 42 00:02:38,767 --> 00:02:40,508 Before you know it, you've made up something 43 00:02:40,551 --> 00:02:42,162 that nobody has seen before. 44 00:02:42,205 --> 00:02:44,729 - In Kenny Sailors' case, like Edison, 45 00:02:44,773 --> 00:02:48,037 who would have known what thislittle light bulb could do? 46 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,125 - There's no question, 47 00:02:49,169 --> 00:02:50,474 it was-- - The uniqueness 48 00:02:50,518 --> 00:02:51,606 was they jumped. - We're talkin' 49 00:02:51,649 --> 00:02:53,303 probably 65 years later, 50 00:02:53,347 --> 00:02:55,044 that's the shot people are still taking. 51 00:02:55,087 --> 00:02:57,829 - This shot lasted throughgenerations and generations, 52 00:02:57,873 --> 00:02:59,918 and has made it to theWarriors, to Steph Curry, 53 00:02:59,962 --> 00:03:01,137 the greatest shooter you'll ever play. 54 00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:02,225 - Curry switched defense 55 00:03:02,269 --> 00:03:03,487 behind the back! 56 00:03:03,531 --> 00:03:04,880 Fires a three! - If I can't play 57 00:03:04,923 --> 00:03:06,795 above the rim, so the jumpshot is my only weapon. 58 00:03:06,838 --> 00:03:08,100 - Oh, he puts it in! 59 00:03:08,144 --> 00:03:09,754 - You can go anywhere in the world, 60 00:03:09,798 --> 00:03:10,929 and they're shooting Kenny's shot. 61 00:03:10,973 --> 00:03:12,714 - Where is-- - Kenny Sailors. 62 00:03:12,757 --> 00:03:14,716 - Kenny--- Sailors has few equals. 63 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:15,804 - He's an American original. 64 00:03:15,847 --> 00:03:17,458 - People just forgot who he was. 65 00:03:17,501 --> 00:03:19,895 - He disappeared for so long.- Sometimes history gets lost, 66 00:03:21,244 --> 00:03:23,420 and that's what happenedwith Kenny Sailors' story. 67 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:26,336 History lost his story. 68 00:03:31,863 --> 00:03:34,257 - Yeah, we're talkin'about the jump shot, right? 69 00:03:34,301 --> 00:03:35,519 - Yeah-- - Or the guy 70 00:03:35,563 --> 00:03:37,042 who found the jump shot, or somethin'? 71 00:03:37,086 --> 00:03:38,348 - Do you know who that guy is? 72 00:03:38,392 --> 00:03:39,219 - No. 73 00:03:40,220 --> 00:03:42,004 - I don't know, 'cause, I mean. 74 00:03:42,047 --> 00:03:43,919 - What do you mean 75 00:03:43,962 --> 00:03:45,442 invented the jump shot? 76 00:03:45,486 --> 00:03:47,792 No one invented the jump shot. 77 00:03:47,836 --> 00:03:49,794 - Wait, there wasn't a jump shot at one point? 78 00:03:49,838 --> 00:03:51,143 - First of all, there's skepticism. 79 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:53,929 Nah, I did. 80 00:03:53,972 --> 00:03:55,539 - How do you know he was the first jump shooter? 81 00:03:55,583 --> 00:03:56,932 I mean, that's everybody'sfirst question. 82 00:03:56,975 --> 00:03:58,803 How you gonna call thisguy the first jump shooter? 83 00:03:58,847 --> 00:04:01,850 - Let me see how dumb or how smart you are. 84 00:04:01,893 --> 00:04:04,635 - I'd never really put a lot of thought into 85 00:04:04,679 --> 00:04:06,811 who was the first guy that ever shot one. 86 00:04:06,855 --> 00:04:08,770 - Okay, here's the deal. 87 00:04:08,813 --> 00:04:12,252 Who is the guy that invented the jump shot? 88 00:04:12,295 --> 00:04:13,818 - About eight years ago, I guess, 89 00:04:13,862 --> 00:04:17,909 I started looking at, well,who could've done this? 90 00:04:17,953 --> 00:04:20,825 - When I took over theFeatures Department at CBS, 91 00:04:20,869 --> 00:04:24,176 the editor that leftleft me a pile of stories 92 00:04:24,220 --> 00:04:25,700 that he thought would be worth pursuing, 93 00:04:25,743 --> 00:04:26,918 and I was goin' through, and I saw 94 00:04:26,962 --> 00:04:28,529 "Kenny Sailors, inventor of the jump shot". 95 00:04:28,572 --> 00:04:29,791 The first time I ever heard the name. 96 00:04:29,834 --> 00:04:30,748 - Are you sittin' down? 97 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:36,188 People think better on theirass than they do on their feet. 98 00:04:36,232 --> 00:04:40,280 - There was a lot of tales andfables about this and that, 99 00:04:40,323 --> 00:04:44,806 but I kept coming to thisstory of Kenny Sailors, 100 00:04:44,849 --> 00:04:49,637 and it just led to Laramie,Wyoming of all places. 101 00:04:59,821 --> 00:05:02,302 - You'll have enough wildstories to talk about 102 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:04,826 when you get back. 103 00:05:08,917 --> 00:05:09,700 - Well, now you're next. 104 00:05:09,744 --> 00:05:10,832 That one guy had to go. 105 00:05:10,875 --> 00:05:11,746 - No, is that right? 106 00:05:11,789 --> 00:05:13,138 - Yeah, he had to go to class. 107 00:05:13,182 --> 00:05:14,270 - Okay, well. 108 00:05:16,794 --> 00:05:19,188 - He's 90 goin' on 70. 109 00:05:19,231 --> 00:05:20,537 He just keep on goin'. 110 00:05:20,581 --> 00:05:22,278 - Right. 111 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:24,062 Yeah, I'll be up there too much 112 00:05:24,106 --> 00:05:25,020 probably for too long. - See, well, yeah. 113 00:05:25,063 --> 00:05:27,588 Well, you don't know how long. 114 00:05:27,631 --> 00:05:28,893 - Well, how long could it be 115 00:05:28,937 --> 00:05:30,155 when you-- - Well, you've probably 116 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:31,505 gone longer than you thought already. 117 00:05:31,548 --> 00:05:32,810 - Oh, well, . 118 00:05:33,724 --> 00:05:34,638 Don't ask me why. 119 00:05:34,682 --> 00:05:35,944 I don't know. 120 00:05:35,987 --> 00:05:38,599 Probably just to harass barbers like you. 121 00:05:40,601 --> 00:05:42,603 - Every time he comesin here somebody knows him. 122 00:05:42,646 --> 00:05:44,779 - He's pretty popular. 123 00:05:45,997 --> 00:05:48,130 - I'm not popular, that jump shot's popular. 124 00:05:50,828 --> 00:05:52,787 - That's what people are really intrigued with, 125 00:05:52,830 --> 00:05:54,005 basketball and the jump shot. 126 00:05:54,049 --> 00:05:56,181 The jump shot, the jump shot, the jump shot. 127 00:05:56,225 --> 00:05:57,748 His whole life changed that day he decided 128 00:05:57,792 --> 00:05:59,924 to jump in the air, and shoot over his brother. 129 00:06:03,754 --> 00:06:06,801 - I grew up about seven oreight miles south of Hillsdale, 130 00:06:08,324 --> 00:06:09,586 and Hillsdale, I don't imagine, 131 00:06:09,630 --> 00:06:11,371 had 50 people in the whole town. 132 00:06:12,502 --> 00:06:14,548 But anyway, basketball was their sport, 133 00:06:14,591 --> 00:06:16,071 because they couldn't afford football, 134 00:06:16,114 --> 00:06:17,333 or these other sports, 135 00:06:17,377 --> 00:06:19,248 and, certainly, durin' the Depression. 136 00:06:21,163 --> 00:06:23,818 My brother was a good ballplayer, and a good athlete, 137 00:06:23,861 --> 00:06:26,821 and the coach liked him there in Hillsdale. 138 00:06:26,864 --> 00:06:28,431 He told him he had a kid brother 139 00:06:28,475 --> 00:06:29,693 who's just learned to play the game, 140 00:06:29,737 --> 00:06:31,652 and that they'd surelike to have a basketball 141 00:06:31,695 --> 00:06:33,654 he could take out, and give to him. 142 00:06:36,874 --> 00:06:39,747 And, of course, we didn'thave any place to play, 143 00:06:39,790 --> 00:06:41,270 but he fixed a backboard, 144 00:06:41,313 --> 00:06:44,447 and we fastened it to the oldwooden windmill that we had. 145 00:06:44,491 --> 00:06:45,840 We'd play one-on-one, 146 00:06:45,883 --> 00:06:47,798 and I never could get a shot off, 147 00:06:47,842 --> 00:06:48,973 and he really enjoyed that, 148 00:06:49,017 --> 00:06:51,323 because he was 6'5 and I was just about, 149 00:06:51,367 --> 00:06:53,848 I don't know, 5'7 probably. 150 00:06:53,891 --> 00:06:55,676 He use to tell me that, "Youbetter find another game". 151 00:06:55,719 --> 00:06:56,851 "This isn't your game." 152 00:06:56,894 --> 00:06:58,722 "It's for big men, tall men." 153 00:06:59,941 --> 00:07:00,811 - But when you think about the way 154 00:07:00,855 --> 00:07:02,073 the game was played back then, 155 00:07:02,117 --> 00:07:03,466 you kinda think of that old news reel footage. 156 00:07:03,510 --> 00:07:04,728 It was the kind that happen, you know, 157 00:07:04,772 --> 00:07:06,164 that paint drying paste. 158 00:07:06,208 --> 00:07:06,991 - No shot clock. 159 00:07:07,035 --> 00:07:09,211 No sense of urgency. 160 00:07:09,254 --> 00:07:12,475 Obviously, it's antiquated,because it's where we started. 161 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:14,912 - It's athletic, because there'smovement and coordination, 162 00:07:14,956 --> 00:07:17,524 but it feels slower. 163 00:07:17,567 --> 00:07:19,569 It certainly is grounded. 164 00:07:19,613 --> 00:07:20,831 - The standard rule was 165 00:07:20,875 --> 00:07:23,878 you never leave your feet on defense, 166 00:07:23,921 --> 00:07:25,793 and especially on offense. 167 00:07:25,836 --> 00:07:27,185 It's a whole different game today. 168 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:30,014 - They hardly dribbled theball, passed it around. 169 00:07:30,058 --> 00:07:31,842 The guys shootin' set shots. 170 00:07:31,886 --> 00:07:33,931 - They all shot a two-handed shot. 171 00:07:33,975 --> 00:07:35,629 Push out here from the chest. 172 00:07:35,672 --> 00:07:37,935 - You know, if you were gonnashoot a two-hand set shot 173 00:07:37,979 --> 00:07:39,807 you had to be wide open. 174 00:07:39,850 --> 00:07:41,809 - I don't know if set shot off today. 175 00:07:41,852 --> 00:07:44,159 Have to be 50 feet away from the guy. 176 00:07:44,202 --> 00:07:45,769 - You couldn'thave anybody close to you 177 00:07:45,813 --> 00:07:48,685 who would just put a handup, and block your shot. 178 00:07:48,729 --> 00:07:50,426 - If a shot has to be constructed 179 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:53,516 over a period of one, two, three seconds, 180 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,823 the game is slowed by definition. 181 00:07:55,866 --> 00:07:57,302 - If you look at some of these guys now, 182 00:07:57,346 --> 00:07:58,913 like a Westbrook, or somethin', 183 00:07:58,956 --> 00:08:01,045 they way they fly down thecourt, and jump on the gym. 184 00:08:03,308 --> 00:08:05,310 Looks almost like a differentsport than back then. 185 00:08:05,354 --> 00:08:07,704 - It'll tell you, man, if Iwas born like 60 years earlier 186 00:08:07,748 --> 00:08:10,098 I would've been in the NBA, no doubt. 187 00:08:11,142 --> 00:08:12,709 - I think I'd be a monster. 188 00:08:12,753 --> 00:08:14,668 - Oh, I would've gotten somebuckets, that's for sure. 189 00:08:14,711 --> 00:08:16,974 - Yeah, I feel like a little step back, 190 00:08:17,018 --> 00:08:19,368 or a between the legs crossover, 191 00:08:19,411 --> 00:08:21,065 we'd throw somebody into the first row. 192 00:08:37,212 --> 00:08:39,214 - High on the board, Sailors. 193 00:08:39,257 --> 00:08:41,695 I just made up my mindthat I was gonna find a way 194 00:08:41,738 --> 00:08:43,523 to shoot the ball over the guy. 195 00:08:43,566 --> 00:08:45,002 My brother, he made up his mind, 196 00:08:45,046 --> 00:08:46,787 "I'm gonna frustrate that little squirt, 197 00:08:46,830 --> 00:08:48,702 and not even let him get a shot off". 198 00:08:48,745 --> 00:08:50,138 Somehow, the idea come to me is, 199 00:08:50,181 --> 00:08:53,445 well, if I jump up, and I knew I could jump, 200 00:08:53,489 --> 00:08:56,318 if I jump up high enough outof my dribble, like this, 201 00:08:56,361 --> 00:08:57,928 I dribbled up, 202 00:08:57,972 --> 00:09:01,497 and from here, right on thedribble, I jumped straight up, 203 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:03,934 and bring the ball up right over my head, 204 00:09:03,978 --> 00:09:06,763 and I let it go, and the thing went in, 205 00:09:07,982 --> 00:09:10,201 and I was just as surprised,or more than he was, 206 00:09:10,245 --> 00:09:12,421 and the ball went in the basket. 207 00:09:12,464 --> 00:09:13,683 His feet was on the ground. 208 00:09:13,727 --> 00:09:15,163 He hadn't even left the floor. 209 00:09:15,206 --> 00:09:16,512 Boy, that spooked him. 210 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:19,167 He said, "That's a good shot, Kenny". 211 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:21,604 "You have to get better at that." 212 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:23,780 Well, I started workin' on it from that time on. 213 00:09:27,088 --> 00:09:29,220 Mom wanted Bud to go to college. 214 00:09:29,264 --> 00:09:33,355 She sold the farm, and we boughtthat home here in Laramie. 215 00:09:33,398 --> 00:09:36,184 I graduated high school in the spring of '39. 216 00:09:36,227 --> 00:09:38,926 Entered the university to play basketball. 217 00:09:40,188 --> 00:09:42,930 - The University of Wyoming hired Ev Shelton 218 00:09:42,973 --> 00:09:45,541 to coach the basketball at Wyoming. 219 00:09:45,585 --> 00:09:47,064 - He was a remarkable guy. 220 00:09:47,108 --> 00:09:48,718 Charming beyond belief. 221 00:09:48,762 --> 00:09:52,156 On the floor he elicited the greatest respect. 222 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:53,201 - He'd didn't curse me. 223 00:09:53,244 --> 00:09:54,898 Come up to you, and say, 224 00:09:55,856 --> 00:09:57,248 "Did you hear what I said?", 225 00:09:57,292 --> 00:09:59,773 and leave little knobs in your head. 226 00:09:59,816 --> 00:10:01,775 - He didn't have to shout at ya. 227 00:10:01,818 --> 00:10:03,820 He just had to look at ya. 228 00:10:03,864 --> 00:10:05,605 - When he came, he said to us, 229 00:10:05,648 --> 00:10:08,346 "Now, I've won nationalchampionships in AAU ball". 230 00:10:08,390 --> 00:10:11,088 He said, "I wanna win acollege national championship". 231 00:10:11,132 --> 00:10:12,612 He told us right off. 232 00:10:12,655 --> 00:10:15,179 - Kenny and his fellow teammates were freshmen, 233 00:10:15,223 --> 00:10:18,269 and freshmen were not eligible in those days. 234 00:10:18,313 --> 00:10:19,662 - He didn't think too much of us 235 00:10:19,706 --> 00:10:22,665 yellow punk Wyoming freshmen. 236 00:10:22,709 --> 00:10:26,016 Nearly every one of us, LewRoney, Volker, and Shadow Ray, 237 00:10:26,060 --> 00:10:28,018 and myself, and Collins, 238 00:10:28,062 --> 00:10:30,978 and Weir, of course, he'sthe big man from Green River, 239 00:10:31,021 --> 00:10:32,675 we were all all-state players, you know? 240 00:10:32,719 --> 00:10:35,591 So we did have a prettyhigh opinion of ourselves. 241 00:10:36,897 --> 00:10:38,115 He says, "We're gonna geta team here at Wyoming". 242 00:10:38,159 --> 00:10:40,030 "It's gonna win a national championship." 243 00:10:40,074 --> 00:10:41,118 "And I don't know if you're the boys 244 00:10:41,162 --> 00:10:42,772 that's gonna do that, or not." 245 00:10:42,816 --> 00:10:44,339 - That year, the varsity squad 246 00:10:44,382 --> 00:10:46,820 was lead by junior star, Willie Rothman, 247 00:10:46,863 --> 00:10:49,561 and future sports broadcaster, Curt Gowdy. 248 00:10:49,605 --> 00:10:51,433 - The freshmen scrimmaged the varsity, 249 00:10:51,476 --> 00:10:53,870 but Kenny and Jim Weir, they let it be known 250 00:10:53,914 --> 00:10:55,872 that they thought they were better. 251 00:10:55,916 --> 00:10:56,830 - We thought we didn't have 252 00:10:56,873 --> 00:10:58,527 any trouble scorin' on 'em. 253 00:10:58,570 --> 00:11:00,137 We got to braggin' and teasin' 'em 254 00:11:00,181 --> 00:11:03,488 until the point that Sheltongot kinda fed up with it. 255 00:11:03,532 --> 00:11:05,752 So Shelton one day come in, and announced, 256 00:11:05,795 --> 00:11:09,190 he says, "I'm gonna arrange agame for you cocky freshmen". 257 00:11:09,233 --> 00:11:12,062 - Shelton went and scheduleda game, and sold tickets, 258 00:11:12,106 --> 00:11:14,543 and I think Shelton'sidea was he was gonna put 259 00:11:14,586 --> 00:11:16,719 Jim Weir and Kenny Sailors in their place. 260 00:11:16,763 --> 00:11:18,895 - We played 'em, and we beat 'em. 261 00:11:20,592 --> 00:11:22,464 - Kenny Sailors and hisfreshmen beat the varsity, 262 00:11:22,507 --> 00:11:23,770 and beat 'em pretty well. 263 00:11:23,813 --> 00:11:25,206 - They only had the 31. 264 00:11:25,249 --> 00:11:27,730 Weir and I had a combination between us, 265 00:11:27,774 --> 00:11:29,906 the same number of pointsthat the varsity had. 266 00:11:29,950 --> 00:11:31,734 - He was the governor out there. 267 00:11:31,778 --> 00:11:33,344 He controlled the ballgame. 268 00:11:33,388 --> 00:11:35,216 - Shelton didn'tsay much right at the time. 269 00:11:35,259 --> 00:11:36,870 I think he was about half embarrassed, 270 00:11:36,913 --> 00:11:39,220 as was the varsity team. 271 00:11:39,263 --> 00:11:41,570 He didn't expect to lose that game, I'm sure, 272 00:11:41,613 --> 00:11:43,790 or he'd a never played it. 273 00:11:45,661 --> 00:11:48,795 - For all of us growing up in the 1940s, 274 00:11:48,838 --> 00:11:52,842 we all wanted to play ballat the University of Wyoming. 275 00:11:54,322 --> 00:11:56,846 - Our dad would take us to games. 276 00:11:56,890 --> 00:11:58,369 - We would go into the dressing room, 277 00:11:58,413 --> 00:12:02,547 and meet all these guys, MiloKomenich, Weir, and Volker. 278 00:12:02,591 --> 00:12:04,245 - They werewonderful guys, and Kenny, 279 00:12:04,288 --> 00:12:07,117 that was the one youalways kind of focused on. 280 00:12:10,381 --> 00:12:11,861 - When people have asked me 281 00:12:11,905 --> 00:12:13,907 why I didn't date thegirls, I said, "Well, I do". 282 00:12:13,950 --> 00:12:16,866 "I have a steady, and she'sabout that big around." 283 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:18,302 "I go with her all the time." 284 00:12:19,826 --> 00:12:21,697 I wanted to be a good basketball player, 285 00:12:21,741 --> 00:12:23,960 and girls just didn't fit into that for me. 286 00:12:25,309 --> 00:12:27,137 A friend of mine, Stan Hathaway, 287 00:12:27,181 --> 00:12:30,967 he was workin' for his boardover in the Kappa house. 288 00:12:31,011 --> 00:12:32,621 One time he came over at the union, and he said, 289 00:12:32,664 --> 00:12:34,536 "Kenny", he says, "You'rereally missin' it". 290 00:12:34,579 --> 00:12:36,277 "We got the prettiest girls on the campus 291 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,800 over there in the Kappa house, 292 00:12:37,844 --> 00:12:41,499 especially one girl that wehave over there's from Casper." 293 00:12:41,543 --> 00:12:43,893 Her name was Marilynne Corbin. 294 00:12:43,937 --> 00:12:45,590 - She was a cheerleader for the 295 00:12:45,634 --> 00:12:47,331 football and the basketball team, 296 00:12:47,375 --> 00:12:48,855 and she was the drum majorette, 297 00:12:48,898 --> 00:12:52,728 and threw the baton up in theair at the head of the band. 298 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:54,077 - Anyway, he came in one day 299 00:12:54,121 --> 00:12:56,776 with these four beautiful girls, 300 00:12:56,819 --> 00:12:59,474 and I was sittin' theretalkin' with Stan mostly, 301 00:12:59,517 --> 00:13:02,129 'cause I was too embarrassedto talk to the girls, 302 00:13:02,172 --> 00:13:03,826 and right there in front of 'em, all of 'em, 303 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:05,175 he said, "Kenny", he said, 304 00:13:05,219 --> 00:13:07,612 "Do you know our Phi Deltdance is this weekend?" 305 00:13:08,613 --> 00:13:10,790 I said, "I don't dance, Stan". 306 00:13:10,833 --> 00:13:12,226 "You know that." 307 00:13:12,269 --> 00:13:14,489 I'd forgot all about it, ordidn't even know about it. 308 00:13:14,532 --> 00:13:16,012 Yeah, and he said, 309 00:13:16,056 --> 00:13:18,275 "You know, that's somethin'you oughta take Marilynne to". 310 00:13:18,319 --> 00:13:20,756 Right there in front of her. 311 00:13:21,888 --> 00:13:24,281 She pipes up, he coached her, no doubt, 312 00:13:24,325 --> 00:13:26,414 she says, "Well, I don'tcare about dancin' anyway". 313 00:13:26,457 --> 00:13:29,852 "We'll just go have somefun, if you wanna take me." 314 00:13:32,724 --> 00:13:34,857 - Did you guysgo on dates in the outdoors? 315 00:13:34,901 --> 00:13:36,163 - Yeah, we sure did, didn't we, Bokie? 316 00:13:36,206 --> 00:13:37,686 - Go on picnics. 317 00:13:44,475 --> 00:13:45,694 - That sounds romantic. 318 00:13:47,043 --> 00:13:48,305 - We started goin' together, 319 00:13:48,349 --> 00:13:50,742 and went steady the rest of the year, 320 00:13:50,786 --> 00:13:52,744 and then that summer we were married. 321 00:13:54,746 --> 00:13:55,791 - She was funny. 322 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:56,748 She had a sense of humor, she did. 323 00:13:56,792 --> 00:13:58,402 She had a great Tarzan yell, 324 00:13:58,446 --> 00:14:00,840 and I guess, and thoughtit would've been real fun 325 00:14:00,883 --> 00:14:04,060 to know her when she was20, and I grew up with her, 326 00:14:04,104 --> 00:14:05,714 'cause she was a lot of fun. 327 00:14:05,757 --> 00:14:08,586 - She was a beautifulwoman, for one thing, 328 00:14:08,630 --> 00:14:12,460 but her beauty was a lotdeeper than just on her skin. 329 00:14:12,503 --> 00:14:14,897 - They had a really loving relationship, 330 00:14:14,941 --> 00:14:16,856 and he and she complimentedeach other really well. 331 00:14:16,899 --> 00:14:18,858 Grandma was definitely very independent, 332 00:14:18,901 --> 00:14:20,903 and she was her own woman, 333 00:14:20,947 --> 00:14:24,776 and I feel like that's whygrandpa loved her so much. 334 00:14:24,820 --> 00:14:26,691 - She just had a wonderful personality, 335 00:14:26,735 --> 00:14:28,824 and, of course, her values, and her thinking 336 00:14:28,868 --> 00:14:31,566 was just what a husband really wanted. 337 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:40,401 - In those days, the coachcould not talk with the team 338 00:14:40,444 --> 00:14:41,793 during the game at all. 339 00:14:41,837 --> 00:14:43,012 Nobody was allowed to interfere with 340 00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:44,927 a play of the game even during timeouts. 341 00:14:44,971 --> 00:14:48,148 So guess who told the team what to do? 342 00:14:48,191 --> 00:14:50,715 The captain on the floor, that was Kenny. 343 00:14:51,934 --> 00:14:52,804 - Everybody became confident 344 00:14:52,848 --> 00:14:54,154 in what they did through Kenny, 345 00:14:54,197 --> 00:14:56,243 because they knew they had a guy 346 00:14:56,286 --> 00:14:58,593 who could elevate them as a team. 347 00:14:58,636 --> 00:14:59,768 - A lot of people ask, "Didn'tyou play with Kenny Sailors?" 348 00:14:59,811 --> 00:15:02,466 I said, "Yeah, I sure did". 349 00:15:02,510 --> 00:15:03,598 "Describe him." 350 00:15:04,425 --> 00:15:05,817 "A rattlesnake." 351 00:15:05,861 --> 00:15:07,732 - As mild and as gentle as he is, 352 00:15:07,776 --> 00:15:10,779 when it comes to competition,he'd tear your throat out. 353 00:15:10,822 --> 00:15:11,998 - That's what he was, 354 00:15:12,041 --> 00:15:13,173 the quickest guy I ever saw on the court 355 00:15:13,216 --> 00:15:14,478 with his hand and his feet. 356 00:15:14,522 --> 00:15:15,827 - Ken would fake a drawing, 357 00:15:15,871 --> 00:15:18,308 and step back, and be in the air 358 00:15:18,352 --> 00:15:21,311 by the time the defensivemen would get to him. 359 00:15:25,489 --> 00:15:28,884 - When I watched Kenny Sailors,it actually blew me away. 360 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,713 - If you saw Kenny Sailorsplay, you saw the jump shot. 361 00:15:31,756 --> 00:15:35,238 - Ken Sailorsof Wyoming sinks this one. 362 00:15:35,282 --> 00:15:37,806 - He was ahead of his time. 363 00:15:37,849 --> 00:15:39,460 - The first time I ever saw a guy do that. 364 00:15:39,503 --> 00:15:42,942 Kenny shot one in, and onhis way up, he was great. 365 00:15:42,985 --> 00:15:45,988 - No one shot thatup until then like he did. 366 00:15:47,555 --> 00:15:49,644 - I would pay money to seewhoever's defending Kenny 367 00:15:49,687 --> 00:15:51,733 that first time he roseup, and shot a jump shot, 368 00:15:51,776 --> 00:15:54,779 just to see like thesnapshot of that guy's face. 369 00:15:54,823 --> 00:15:57,478 As he's like comin' down in transition, rises up, 370 00:15:57,521 --> 00:16:00,176 and the guy's like, what is goin' on? 371 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:02,048 This has gotta be atravel or somethin', like. 372 00:16:02,091 --> 00:16:03,963 - Ev Shelton had no idea what to do with that. 373 00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:05,790 There were no coaches that were 374 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:08,619 teaching that skillset, or fundamental, 375 00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:10,708 but he had enough sense to let him shoot it. 376 00:16:10,752 --> 00:16:13,624 - That speaks to the selflessness of the coach, to me, 377 00:16:13,668 --> 00:16:15,626 and it allowed Kenny to thrive, 378 00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:18,194 and it was goin' against the grain of the time, 379 00:16:18,238 --> 00:16:19,848 but that's really 380 00:16:19,891 --> 00:16:22,851 one of the hallmarks of anyoutstanding coach, in my mind. 381 00:16:22,894 --> 00:16:24,940 - Shelton had an advanced offense 382 00:16:24,984 --> 00:16:26,898 for those days in basketball. 383 00:16:26,942 --> 00:16:28,335 - It was called the Shelton Weave, 384 00:16:28,378 --> 00:16:31,599 which put him in the NationalBasketball Hall of Fame. 385 00:16:31,642 --> 00:16:32,904 - The main thing about it was 386 00:16:32,948 --> 00:16:35,864 he knew how to set insideand outside screens. 387 00:16:35,907 --> 00:16:37,909 - It would pull the big men out, 388 00:16:37,953 --> 00:16:40,825 and they weren't use to playing on the outside. 389 00:16:40,869 --> 00:16:43,872 - Finally, somebody would be open. 390 00:16:43,915 --> 00:16:45,569 - Once they startedplaying well and winning, 391 00:16:45,613 --> 00:16:46,962 then nobody wanted to play 'em, 392 00:16:47,006 --> 00:16:49,921 'cause what do you have towin if you beat Wyoming? 393 00:16:49,965 --> 00:16:52,707 - Wyoming is not an easy place to get to, 394 00:16:52,750 --> 00:16:55,536 especially when thebasketballs start bouncing 395 00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:56,972 from November to March. 396 00:16:58,104 --> 00:16:59,757 - I think they have always feared 397 00:16:59,801 --> 00:17:01,542 coming up to play in Wyoming. 398 00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:04,849 - The University of Wyomingis sitting at altitude 399 00:17:04,893 --> 00:17:07,635 of whatever feet, and all youcan do is get winded and lose. 400 00:17:07,678 --> 00:17:09,289 - And we made a big sign up, you know, 401 00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:11,726 "How you breathin' with 7,000 feet?" 402 00:17:13,075 --> 00:17:14,729 - You playin' one team, they had an oxygen tank, 403 00:17:14,772 --> 00:17:15,904 and masks on the sideline. 404 00:17:15,947 --> 00:17:17,906 I said "Are you kiddin' me?" 405 00:17:17,949 --> 00:17:20,169 - Shelton said, "They won'tcome here to 7,000 feet". 406 00:17:20,213 --> 00:17:22,345 "We've tried to get teamsall over the nation." 407 00:17:22,389 --> 00:17:23,868 "They won't come up here to place us." 408 00:17:23,912 --> 00:17:24,956 "They're scared of us." 409 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,133 So he said, "We're gonna go to them". 410 00:17:27,176 --> 00:17:28,003 - All aboard! 411 00:17:29,874 --> 00:17:32,094 - Everett Sheltondid something in those days 412 00:17:32,138 --> 00:17:33,574 teams wouldn't do anymore. 413 00:17:33,617 --> 00:17:34,923 He took his team on the road. 414 00:17:35,793 --> 00:17:36,751 - Coaches who are coaching for 415 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:38,927 their livelihood are gonna say, 416 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:40,581 "I'd rather go 18 and three 417 00:17:40,624 --> 00:17:42,496 against the guys around the block", 418 00:17:42,539 --> 00:17:45,107 but he was coaching to wina national championship. 419 00:17:45,151 --> 00:17:46,978 - I'd never been on a train before in my life. 420 00:17:47,022 --> 00:17:48,806 Never been out of the state of Wyoming. 421 00:17:48,850 --> 00:17:50,156 None of us kids had. 422 00:17:50,199 --> 00:17:52,071 We were just a bunch ofcountry kids, most of us. 423 00:17:53,246 --> 00:17:54,551 - Ev Shelton wanted to go where 424 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:56,075 they could get the best competition. 425 00:17:57,859 --> 00:17:59,165 - They did a whistle stop tour, 426 00:17:59,208 --> 00:18:00,731 and they'd stop the train along the way, 427 00:18:00,775 --> 00:18:02,733 and play games againstanyone that would play 'em. 428 00:18:02,777 --> 00:18:03,995 - That's what we did. 429 00:18:04,039 --> 00:18:05,562 We'd go all up and down that East Coast. 430 00:18:05,606 --> 00:18:08,130 We played all over thecountry anybody we could play. 431 00:18:10,350 --> 00:18:14,310 - The 1942/43season, it really ranks with 432 00:18:14,354 --> 00:18:17,052 one of the great seasons of all time. 433 00:18:17,096 --> 00:18:18,706 - They not only took the challenge, 434 00:18:18,749 --> 00:18:22,188 they went out and beat teamafter team away from home, 435 00:18:22,231 --> 00:18:24,842 gaining even more respect nationally. 436 00:18:24,886 --> 00:18:28,324 - Their road record was unbelievable. 437 00:18:28,368 --> 00:18:29,717 - They played 33 games. 438 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:30,892 They won 31. 439 00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:32,807 And their only two losses were on the road. 440 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:33,982 - They were dominant, 441 00:18:34,025 --> 00:18:35,723 and they were dominant with a flair. 442 00:18:35,766 --> 00:18:37,768 - Shelton, he finally got to the point 443 00:18:37,812 --> 00:18:40,206 where he'd say to us, "Now,boys, you're good enough, 444 00:18:40,249 --> 00:18:41,424 you can beat anybody". 445 00:18:41,468 --> 00:18:42,904 "There isn't anybody can beat you." 446 00:18:42,947 --> 00:18:45,036 - Going undefeatedin conference play 447 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,430 put them into the NCA Tournament. 448 00:18:47,474 --> 00:18:49,737 - Wyoming playedOklahoma first, and then Texas, 449 00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:52,957 in order to advance to thefinals in Madison Square Garden. 450 00:18:53,001 --> 00:18:55,177 - You didn't getto Madison Square Garden, 451 00:18:55,221 --> 00:18:58,180 you didn't get filmed, andyou didn't get photographed. 452 00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:01,270 - It's the mecca of sports. 453 00:19:01,314 --> 00:19:03,272 Everything has happened there. 454 00:19:03,316 --> 00:19:04,752 - If you played at the Garden, 455 00:19:04,795 --> 00:19:06,710 can't get any higher than that. 456 00:19:08,103 --> 00:19:11,411 - For a team like Wyomingto come into New York City 457 00:19:11,454 --> 00:19:13,804 in the spotlight on the biggest basketball stage 458 00:19:13,848 --> 00:19:17,068 in the country is reallya remarkable achievement. 459 00:19:17,112 --> 00:19:19,201 - When they traveled to New York, 460 00:19:19,245 --> 00:19:22,639 they may as well have beengoing to another planet. 461 00:19:22,683 --> 00:19:24,075 - They turn all the lights off, 462 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,903 and we come runnin' out one at a time 463 00:19:25,947 --> 00:19:27,209 with the spotlight on us, 464 00:19:27,253 --> 00:19:28,906 and they'd announce our names, you know? 465 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:31,605 Whoo, that was a big dealfor a country boy like me. 466 00:19:33,128 --> 00:19:34,260 - Thisgame developed into a thriller 467 00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:35,870 from the very first play. 468 00:19:35,913 --> 00:19:38,133 The best planned has playedin New York this season. 469 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,917 - Georgetown was tough. 470 00:19:39,961 --> 00:19:41,310 I mean, they were a good ball club. 471 00:19:41,354 --> 00:19:42,877 We didn't beat 'em by that much. 472 00:19:44,879 --> 00:19:47,708 - Kenny, he got onthat big stage, and performed. 473 00:19:47,751 --> 00:19:50,885 - Kenny Sailors was the most outstanding player 474 00:19:50,928 --> 00:19:52,800 of the NCAA Tournament. 475 00:19:52,843 --> 00:19:54,932 That's a resume that not very many people 476 00:19:54,976 --> 00:19:57,718 across basketball historycan really speak to. 477 00:20:02,984 --> 00:20:05,595 - They really captured the attention 478 00:20:05,639 --> 00:20:07,293 of New York and the New York media, 479 00:20:07,336 --> 00:20:09,686 which at that time, meantcapturing the attention 480 00:20:09,730 --> 00:20:11,210 of the college basketball world. 481 00:20:17,651 --> 00:20:21,176 - The NCA in 1943wasn't the biggest tournament. 482 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:25,833 - The NCAA didn't havethat appeal, like the NIT. 483 00:20:25,876 --> 00:20:30,098 The NIT was big, the biggestnational tournament there was. 484 00:20:30,141 --> 00:20:31,708 - TheNational Invitation Tournament 485 00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:34,755 brings the nation's top fiveto Madison Square Garden. 486 00:20:34,798 --> 00:20:37,714 Teams meet in knock-down,drag-out fights to the finish. 487 00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:39,716 - After we won the NCAA, 488 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,283 the New York papers were still 489 00:20:41,327 --> 00:20:43,459 making a big issue over the fact that 490 00:20:43,503 --> 00:20:46,897 we were just a small, countryschool, and been lucky. 491 00:20:48,290 --> 00:20:50,727 - The night before theNCA Championship was played, 492 00:20:50,771 --> 00:20:54,209 St. John's won the NationalInvitational Tournament. 493 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,864 - St. John's didn't just win the NIT, 494 00:20:56,907 --> 00:20:58,518 they steamrolled teams. 495 00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:00,171 This was a great team. 496 00:21:00,215 --> 00:21:01,782 - I can still remember the team. 497 00:21:01,825 --> 00:21:06,395 Boykoff, Gotkin, "Fuzzy" Levane,Baxster, and Al Moschetti. 498 00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:10,791 - You had the NCA championand the NIT champion 499 00:21:10,834 --> 00:21:13,141 in town at the same time. 500 00:21:13,184 --> 00:21:15,448 Ned Irish, I am sure, was thinking, 501 00:21:15,491 --> 00:21:17,798 "How do I get these teams together?" 502 00:21:17,841 --> 00:21:19,103 - They'd never done that before. 503 00:21:19,147 --> 00:21:22,193 They'd never had the NCAAand the NIT play off. 504 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:27,373 - Even then, with the imagination 505 00:21:27,416 --> 00:21:29,026 that Wyoming had captured, 506 00:21:29,070 --> 00:21:30,506 there was still this notion there, 507 00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:33,161 "Well, that's nice", butnobody gave them a real chance. 508 00:21:34,815 --> 00:21:36,817 - The basketball season's grand finale, 509 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:39,254 given greater significance tonight at Madison Square Garden, 510 00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,256 and a killer-diller game it is. 511 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:42,518 What hangs on this ballgame 512 00:21:42,562 --> 00:21:44,912 amounts to a national basketball crown. 513 00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:46,870 - It was the Superbowl of college basketball. 514 00:21:46,914 --> 00:21:48,742 That's what the Red Cross game was. 515 00:21:48,785 --> 00:21:51,484 - They called it "the world'samateur championship". 516 00:21:52,485 --> 00:21:53,703 - Both teams, 517 00:21:53,747 --> 00:21:55,226 the kingpins of their respected moves. 518 00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:57,577 St. John's rapid fire scoringhere in the past few minutes 519 00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:59,622 has tied up the game. 520 00:21:59,666 --> 00:22:02,190 From tip off to wind up, it's touch and go. 521 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:03,757 Wyoming scores. 522 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,063 Seconds later, St.John's Redmen retaliated. 523 00:22:06,107 --> 00:22:08,283 Boykoff gave us a field goal. 524 00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:10,894 - With a few seconds leftto go in regulation time, 525 00:22:10,938 --> 00:22:12,853 St. John's tied the game, 526 00:22:12,896 --> 00:22:15,769 and Kenny took anin-bounds pass, laid it in 527 00:22:15,812 --> 00:22:16,857 for what appeared to be 528 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:18,815 the winning basket in regulation time. 529 00:22:18,859 --> 00:22:20,382 But that became controversial, 530 00:22:20,426 --> 00:22:23,864 because the referee said, "St.John's had called a timeout". 531 00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:25,735 - I don't think theyhad a right to call a timeout. 532 00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:26,997 How could you? 533 00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:28,477 When you make a basket, 534 00:22:28,521 --> 00:22:30,697 the ball actually belongsto the other team. 535 00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:32,742 - Madison Square Garden was going crazy. 536 00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:34,918 They said it was bedlam in there. 537 00:22:34,962 --> 00:22:36,920 - The crowd was thinkin'just like I was thinkin', 538 00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:39,009 "They can't do that". 539 00:22:39,053 --> 00:22:40,141 - The game now in deadlock, 540 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:41,925 goes into five minutes overtime. 541 00:22:43,449 --> 00:22:46,887 Slick, smart, and speedythese shifty sharpshooters. 542 00:22:46,930 --> 00:22:48,410 A looping pass down court. 543 00:22:48,454 --> 00:22:50,673 Moschetti, St. John's,takes a shot at the board, 544 00:22:50,717 --> 00:22:51,892 and the Redmen score. 545 00:22:53,154 --> 00:22:54,808 Never once tonight are these two quintets 546 00:22:54,851 --> 00:22:56,592 more than four points apart. 547 00:22:56,636 --> 00:22:58,855 A nip and tuck back from start to finish. 548 00:23:00,161 --> 00:23:02,337 Five minutes overtime almost run out. 549 00:23:04,383 --> 00:23:06,297 Three seconds left to play. 550 00:23:11,781 --> 00:23:12,956 - This is the trophy 551 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,393 that they didn't expect to come to Wyoming. 552 00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:16,351 It was supposed to stayin Madison Square Garden. 553 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:17,439 They had to ship it to us. 554 00:23:17,483 --> 00:23:18,875 We couldn't bring it home. 555 00:23:18,919 --> 00:23:20,921 - The final count 52 to 47, 556 00:23:20,964 --> 00:23:23,576 and Wyoming's Cowboys are theundisputed kings of the court. 557 00:23:23,619 --> 00:23:25,665 - It's pretty powerful, isn't it? 558 00:23:25,708 --> 00:23:27,884 For a bunch of country kids from Wyoming. 559 00:23:27,928 --> 00:23:29,451 None of us had been out of the state 560 00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:31,453 before we went back to play. 561 00:23:34,717 --> 00:23:36,371 - In 1943, a group of Cowboys 562 00:23:36,415 --> 00:23:37,851 went into Madison Square Garden, 563 00:23:37,894 --> 00:23:39,679 and won a national championship. 564 00:23:39,722 --> 00:23:41,855 - They had carried our Cowboy banner, 565 00:23:41,898 --> 00:23:43,465 and showed 'em who ate the cabbage, 566 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:45,511 as the old man use to say. 567 00:23:45,554 --> 00:23:48,470 - It fueled a sense of Wyoming's identity. 568 00:23:48,514 --> 00:23:52,474 It was in the blood and bone of Wyomingites. 569 00:23:52,518 --> 00:23:55,999 Yeah, we too can compete with anybody. 570 00:23:59,916 --> 00:24:01,048 - Little old Wyoming was 571 00:24:01,091 --> 00:24:02,615 the best team in the country, 572 00:24:02,658 --> 00:24:04,312 and nobody can ever say otherwise, 573 00:24:04,355 --> 00:24:06,793 and Kenny was the head of the snake. 574 00:24:06,836 --> 00:24:09,448 - I mean, that's a monumental task. 575 00:24:09,491 --> 00:24:12,799 When you think about what Wyoming did in beating St. John's, 576 00:24:12,842 --> 00:24:16,933 it would be like a DivisionII or Division III team 577 00:24:16,977 --> 00:24:19,153 being able to navigate March Madness, 578 00:24:19,196 --> 00:24:21,547 and win the national championship. 579 00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:24,811 - There's no doubt,that for these guys to do that, 580 00:24:24,854 --> 00:24:27,117 it was such a shining moment, 581 00:24:27,161 --> 00:24:29,859 but this was a team that had no tomorrow, 582 00:24:31,339 --> 00:24:32,601 because they were all goin' to war. 583 00:24:44,004 --> 00:24:47,529 - We are mustering all our resources, 584 00:24:47,573 --> 00:24:50,793 manhood, and industry, and wealth, 585 00:24:52,012 --> 00:24:54,275 to make our nation strong in defense. 586 00:24:55,537 --> 00:24:59,541 For recent history proves all too clearly, 587 00:24:59,585 --> 00:25:03,632 I am sorry to say, that only the strong 588 00:25:03,676 --> 00:25:08,768 may continue to live in freedom, and in peace. 589 00:25:08,811 --> 00:25:10,030 - There was a war goin' on. 590 00:25:11,553 --> 00:25:12,815 I knew they weren't gonnakeep me here in this country. 591 00:25:12,859 --> 00:25:14,556 I was gonna be gone. 592 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,386 - His college career wasinterrupted by World War II. 593 00:25:18,429 --> 00:25:22,259 - Two weeks later, thewhole team was on active duty. 594 00:25:22,303 --> 00:25:23,565 - Kenny was one of the 595 00:25:23,609 --> 00:25:25,262 best known basketball players in America. 596 00:25:25,306 --> 00:25:29,702 AU All-American, CollegeAll-American, national champion. 597 00:25:29,745 --> 00:25:31,399 He had everything going for him, 598 00:25:31,442 --> 00:25:33,749 in terms of basketball stardom. 599 00:25:33,793 --> 00:25:35,403 - I'm sure all those achievements 600 00:25:35,446 --> 00:25:38,885 were exciting for him, butif you speak with Kenny 601 00:25:38,928 --> 00:25:42,105 about his departure frombasketball, he'll tell you 602 00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:44,455 he had more important things on his mind. 603 00:25:45,631 --> 00:25:46,980 - Looking back at it, 604 00:25:47,023 --> 00:25:50,636 if a guy is named the MVPof the tournament in 1943, 605 00:25:50,679 --> 00:25:53,377 such a big deal, is it almost a shame 606 00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:54,814 that you really didn't get to revel 607 00:25:54,857 --> 00:25:56,467 - Yeah. - in excitement of that? 608 00:25:56,511 --> 00:25:58,469 - Yeah, well, I was gone, you know? 609 00:25:58,513 --> 00:25:59,732 In the Marines. 610 00:25:59,775 --> 00:26:01,516 And basketball was important, and gosh, 611 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,518 we were proud of the fact we did what we did, 612 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:06,390 but I was thinkin' about leavin' my family, 613 00:26:06,434 --> 00:26:07,827 and I was gonna be married, 614 00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:09,611 and I was trying to convince her 615 00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:10,830 we shouldn't get married before I, 616 00:26:10,873 --> 00:26:12,919 until I come back from the Marine Corps, 617 00:26:12,962 --> 00:26:14,921 'cause to be honest with ya,I didn't expect to come back. 618 00:26:14,964 --> 00:26:16,139 Hell, that's the truth. 619 00:26:17,663 --> 00:26:19,926 - Marilynne was pregnantwhen Kenny was shipped out. 620 00:26:21,841 --> 00:26:25,453 In those days, widowsfrequently remained widows. 621 00:26:25,496 --> 00:26:26,933 Out of loyalty to their marriage vows 622 00:26:26,976 --> 00:26:28,717 they would never marry again. 623 00:26:29,849 --> 00:26:31,154 But it was Marilynne who said, 624 00:26:31,198 --> 00:26:34,114 "Nope, we're gonna get married", so they did. 625 00:26:34,157 --> 00:26:35,855 She defied all the best advice, and said, 626 00:26:35,898 --> 00:26:37,117 "I wanna marry you". 627 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,336 So that showed also how much she loved him. 628 00:26:40,903 --> 00:26:45,647 Kenny was given command of 40Marines on this troop carrier. 629 00:26:45,691 --> 00:26:47,388 - Our job was ship security, 630 00:26:47,431 --> 00:26:49,390 and we had to go into the island sometimes, 631 00:26:49,433 --> 00:26:51,697 and they'd have tent campsset up with the wounded, 632 00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:54,787 and we'd have to go in andcarry 'em aboard this ship. 633 00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:56,789 I had so many buddiesthat I'd lost in the war, 634 00:26:56,832 --> 00:26:59,269 and in fact, if they didn'tget shot up or killed, 635 00:26:59,313 --> 00:27:01,141 they had malaria. 636 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,233 - I think the Marines recognized 637 00:27:06,276 --> 00:27:08,670 leadership skills in him from a very early time, 638 00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:10,672 and when he was ready to muster out, 639 00:27:10,716 --> 00:27:12,674 he was a Captain at that point. 640 00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:16,199 - You joined the MarineCorp, and two years later, 641 00:27:16,243 --> 00:27:19,638 the war is over with, and you're a Captain. 642 00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:22,249 You've done a lot of things to get there. 643 00:27:22,292 --> 00:27:24,468 - Once you've been a Marine,you're always a Marine, 644 00:27:24,512 --> 00:27:25,861 and you respect the Marines, 645 00:27:25,905 --> 00:27:29,473 because you know what it stands for, yeah. 646 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:35,305 - For Wyoming, at forward, 647 00:27:35,349 --> 00:27:38,744 a 6'5 junior from San Antonio, Texas, 648 00:27:38,787 --> 00:27:41,921 number 34, Fennis Dembo. 649 00:27:41,964 --> 00:27:44,924 - I know when I'm in the presence of greatness. 650 00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:46,055 They say that's Kenny Sailors. 651 00:27:46,099 --> 00:27:48,144 I said, "Ah, I know who he is". 652 00:27:48,188 --> 00:27:49,755 "I know what he represents." 653 00:27:51,974 --> 00:27:54,803 What you're doin' as a kidthat's 18, 19-years-old, 654 00:27:54,847 --> 00:27:57,763 you're readin' about allthese great people, right? 655 00:27:57,806 --> 00:27:59,286 You were tryin' to be better than 'em. 656 00:28:00,983 --> 00:28:02,550 - Saved his best game 657 00:28:02,593 --> 00:28:03,725 for the most importantgame thus far of the year. 658 00:28:06,206 --> 00:28:09,209 - How many basketballplayers we can think about 659 00:28:09,252 --> 00:28:12,038 actually did something toforever change the game? 660 00:28:12,081 --> 00:28:12,865 Forever? 661 00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:17,826 - While I was in the PacificI never saw a basketball. 662 00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:20,742 We never could get any news on it either. 663 00:28:20,786 --> 00:28:22,570 We didn't get much of anything. 664 00:28:22,613 --> 00:28:27,096 When I came back, why, theconference had a special ruling. 665 00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:28,837 For us old boys who had been in the war 666 00:28:28,881 --> 00:28:30,709 could come back and play, and we did. 667 00:28:30,752 --> 00:28:32,232 - When Kenny came back to the states 668 00:28:32,275 --> 00:28:33,799 at the end of the war, 669 00:28:33,842 --> 00:28:37,846 it gave him a chance toreally work on the jump shot, 670 00:28:37,890 --> 00:28:41,763 and really concentrate on itsflaws and its opportunities. 671 00:28:41,807 --> 00:28:43,025 - It took years. 672 00:28:43,069 --> 00:28:45,201 It didn't happen overnightto get my jump shot. 673 00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:47,247 That didn't happen right away. 674 00:28:47,290 --> 00:28:49,336 - The biggest technical problem 675 00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:51,991 was the idea of jumping straight up. 676 00:28:52,034 --> 00:28:54,210 - It took me longer todevelop that than anything, 677 00:28:54,254 --> 00:28:56,517 'cause I'm dribblin' fast sometimes, 678 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,259 and you have to plant, and jump. 679 00:28:59,302 --> 00:29:00,782 - So a lot of times, Ken would jump, 680 00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:02,915 and he would drift into the player, 681 00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:04,612 and he would be called for the foul. 682 00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:06,135 - And they soon learned, you know, 683 00:29:06,179 --> 00:29:08,747 to get that offense foul tostay put, and let him hit ya. 684 00:29:09,965 --> 00:29:12,098 Coaches had me pegged all over the country, 685 00:29:13,099 --> 00:29:14,796 so I had to develop a technique 686 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,277 where I actually stopped my forward motion, 687 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,539 and went straight up. 688 00:29:19,758 --> 00:29:21,716 - In January, 1946, Kenny came back to 689 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,066 Madison Square Garden and played LIU, 690 00:29:25,633 --> 00:29:28,810 and on that night, Kenny's jumpshot would become legendary. 691 00:29:31,508 --> 00:29:33,902 - Oh God, almighty. 692 00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:34,773 Wow! 693 00:29:36,296 --> 00:29:37,297 He's up there. 694 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:39,516 - Well, first of all, he's really 695 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,604 gettin' off the ground. - Yeah. 696 00:29:40,648 --> 00:29:41,780 - That's got some serious hops. 697 00:29:41,823 --> 00:29:42,911 So not only was he jumping, 698 00:29:42,955 --> 00:29:44,217 he was really getting off the floor, 699 00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:45,653 so he must have really looked like a freak. 700 00:29:45,696 --> 00:29:46,872 - Man, he up. 701 00:29:48,699 --> 00:29:50,310 He was a white guy, man, gettin' up that high 702 00:29:50,353 --> 00:29:52,268 off the floor on the jump shot? 703 00:29:52,312 --> 00:29:53,574 Give me a break. 704 00:29:53,617 --> 00:29:56,838 - Now, that's a piece of art right there. 705 00:29:56,882 --> 00:29:57,926 It's beautiful. 706 00:29:59,188 --> 00:30:01,800 - His off-hand is lightly on the ball, 707 00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:03,845 elbow looks pointed straight at, you know, 708 00:30:03,889 --> 00:30:05,847 that directs the shot. 709 00:30:05,891 --> 00:30:08,110 - He's taken the ball straight up. 710 00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:13,159 His eyes are focused, not onthe ball, but on a bucket. 711 00:30:15,291 --> 00:30:18,729 - That is a perfect image of how I feel 712 00:30:18,773 --> 00:30:20,470 every time I shoot a jump shot. 713 00:30:21,776 --> 00:30:23,647 - I think there areeight guys in that picture, 714 00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:26,607 and there are 14 feet on the ground, 715 00:30:26,650 --> 00:30:28,087 and there are two feet off the ground, 716 00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:29,740 but it's not a gimmick. 717 00:30:29,784 --> 00:30:31,699 - The other defenders,they're kind of looking at, 718 00:30:31,742 --> 00:30:33,962 like they're watching a different sport almost. 719 00:30:34,006 --> 00:30:37,574 - The guy defendingKenny is in an athletic stance, 720 00:30:37,618 --> 00:30:40,273 but it never occurred to him to jump. 721 00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:43,624 - That show you how groundedthe game was at that time, 722 00:30:43,667 --> 00:30:45,104 and where he was takin' it. 723 00:30:46,670 --> 00:30:48,020 To flight. 724 00:30:48,063 --> 00:30:50,413 - Think of the defender,a guy jumps up in the air. 725 00:30:50,457 --> 00:30:51,762 - That's pretty cool. 726 00:30:51,806 --> 00:30:52,807 A visionary, man. 727 00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:53,895 Way ahead of his time. 728 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,115 - I've never seen this photo before, 729 00:30:56,158 --> 00:30:57,986 but it's absolutely phenomenal. 730 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,163 Every kid should see this. 731 00:31:01,207 --> 00:31:03,078 - I was expecting it to be somewhat different. 732 00:31:03,122 --> 00:31:06,603 Like, sure it was a jump shotof its time, but it's evolved. 733 00:31:06,647 --> 00:31:07,909 It hasn't evolved. 734 00:31:07,953 --> 00:31:09,737 Kenny nailed it in the '40s. 735 00:31:09,780 --> 00:31:12,871 - I mean, it really looks likea Russel Westbrook photo now, 736 00:31:12,914 --> 00:31:16,875 the way he elevates, andstops on a dime on the break. 737 00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:18,267 I mean, that's amazing. 738 00:31:18,311 --> 00:31:20,748 - That is as good a form 739 00:31:20,791 --> 00:31:22,881 as I've ever seen with the jump shot. 740 00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:26,406 I mean, that is an unbelievable picture. 741 00:31:26,449 --> 00:31:28,408 I want a copy of it. 742 00:31:38,157 --> 00:31:39,898 - I'm a Millennial, so I just thought 743 00:31:39,941 --> 00:31:41,116 the jump shot just appeared. 744 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,205 It was just a part of the game. 745 00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:52,606 It's important, 'cause I knowthe work that goes into this. 746 00:31:52,649 --> 00:31:55,217 It's hard to make it tothe top of your profession, 747 00:31:55,261 --> 00:31:56,653 or to the top of anything. 748 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,440 Pioneers, they don'tusually get a lot of credit, 749 00:32:00,483 --> 00:32:03,051 because not a lot of people tend to go back, 750 00:32:03,095 --> 00:32:05,967 and go through the journey ofbasketball when they should. 751 00:32:06,011 --> 00:32:07,490 And I think stories like this 752 00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:09,144 is gonna have people startin' to 753 00:32:09,188 --> 00:32:11,320 just puttin' the pieces together. 754 00:32:11,364 --> 00:32:14,149 That shot is what the game is centered around. 755 00:32:14,193 --> 00:32:15,803 You know, it's around the jump shot, 756 00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:17,761 and I just want people to know, man, 757 00:32:17,805 --> 00:32:19,328 where this stuff comes from, 758 00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:21,635 'cause it's not the guys yousee on the NBA court right now. 759 00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:23,550 We didn't create this stuff. 760 00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:25,291 If you love the game so much, 761 00:32:25,334 --> 00:32:26,683 you will wanna see where it comes from, 762 00:32:26,727 --> 00:32:28,729 and where it's goin', and Kenny is a guy 763 00:32:28,772 --> 00:32:31,862 that stuck that flag in the ground, 764 00:32:31,906 --> 00:32:34,865 and let it be known that thisgame is gonna be here forever, 765 00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:38,739 and I can't thank him enough for that. 766 00:32:47,226 --> 00:32:50,838 - My old shoulders, 767 00:32:50,881 --> 00:32:54,407 boy, I couldn't shoot a three-point shot for 768 00:32:54,450 --> 00:32:55,930 love or money. 769 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:58,889 Mostly, it was my speed andmy quickness with the dribble 770 00:32:58,933 --> 00:33:02,502 is what got me by my man, I guess. 771 00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:04,199 I dribbled up to him, like this, 772 00:33:04,243 --> 00:33:06,636 and then I give the ball this here. 773 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,334 I can't keep a balance even. 774 00:33:08,377 --> 00:33:10,553 I give the ball this kind of a motion. 775 00:33:10,597 --> 00:33:13,861 He gets a rockin', and he'sdown here rockin' with me, 776 00:33:13,904 --> 00:33:17,604 I jump, I jump and shoot the ball. 777 00:33:17,647 --> 00:33:18,909 It's evidently a pretty good shot. 778 00:33:18,953 --> 00:33:20,389 There's a lot of guys shootin' it today. 779 00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:22,087 I oughta sue the NBA 780 00:33:23,697 --> 00:33:25,916 for usin' my shot without megettin' anything out of it. 781 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,396 Shouldn't they? 782 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,355 If I good lawyer, I'd do that. 783 00:33:30,225 --> 00:33:32,836 Sue 'em all for 5,000. 784 00:33:35,926 --> 00:33:37,798 I could make a little money, could I? 785 00:33:37,841 --> 00:33:39,321 Yeah. 786 00:33:39,365 --> 00:33:41,715 Gosh, I was nearly 27-years-oldwhen I went into the NBA. 787 00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:44,283 You know, these kids are goin'in today when they're 19. 788 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:47,808 You know, they make millions. 789 00:33:47,851 --> 00:33:48,722 I didn't make nothing. 790 00:33:48,765 --> 00:33:49,940 Man, they really paid me. 791 00:33:49,984 --> 00:33:53,683 I made 75 hundred dollars for the season. 792 00:33:53,727 --> 00:33:56,121 That was big money in those days. 793 00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:58,558 The NBA started up in 1946. 794 00:33:58,601 --> 00:34:00,821 - The NBA was in its infancy then. 795 00:34:00,864 --> 00:34:03,998 There were eight teams in the NBA. 796 00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:07,219 - This game has nothad that long of a history. 797 00:34:07,262 --> 00:34:08,437 - Pro-basketball, at the time, 798 00:34:08,481 --> 00:34:11,092 was hardly in the public conscience at all. 799 00:34:11,136 --> 00:34:13,181 Baseball, football, boxing dominated. 800 00:34:13,225 --> 00:34:15,096 They were a lot bigger than basketball. 801 00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:17,794 - The pros didn't have much oomph behind 'em, 802 00:34:17,838 --> 00:34:21,276 because it was smallcities against big cities, 803 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,062 and there was littleemotional rooting interest. 804 00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:26,629 - Honestly, I coached a high school game 805 00:34:26,673 --> 00:34:28,414 in Madison Square Garden, 806 00:34:28,457 --> 00:34:30,720 and we had more people than the the pros. 807 00:34:30,764 --> 00:34:33,245 - These franchises would go for a while, 808 00:34:33,288 --> 00:34:35,551 and they'd fold like a card table. 809 00:34:35,595 --> 00:34:36,857 - There's a handful of teams 810 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,206 with a handful of players, 811 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:40,556 and there's a complete randomness 812 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,690 to whether you're in a goodsituation, or a bad situation. 813 00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:47,128 In Kenny's case, he reallywas in several bad situations. 814 00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:48,695 - Kenny was moved around quite a bit, 815 00:34:48,738 --> 00:34:50,740 and it wasn't because he was a poor player. 816 00:34:50,784 --> 00:34:52,916 It was because at least three of those teams, 817 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,831 I can think of, collapsed financially. 818 00:34:54,875 --> 00:34:55,745 They went out of business. 819 00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:56,790 They were disbanded. 820 00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:58,052 Players were thrown into a lottery, 821 00:34:58,096 --> 00:34:59,749 and picked by other teams. 822 00:34:59,793 --> 00:35:01,099 - Not knowin' where you're gonna live, 823 00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:03,884 not knowin' when thepaycheck was gonna come in, 824 00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:06,147 just changin' scenery over,and over, and over again, 825 00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:07,801 yeah, that'd be tough, man. 826 00:35:07,844 --> 00:35:09,281 - It's hard to imagine the barriers 827 00:35:09,324 --> 00:35:10,499 these guys had to get through 828 00:35:10,543 --> 00:35:12,284 just so people could see them play. 829 00:35:12,327 --> 00:35:13,763 - It's just crazy to think about it. 830 00:35:13,807 --> 00:35:15,809 I'm definitely blessed to beplayin' the game right now, 831 00:35:15,852 --> 00:35:17,463 but you have a huge amount of respect 832 00:35:17,506 --> 00:35:19,291 for the people that have propelled the game 833 00:35:19,334 --> 00:35:20,248 to make it what it is. 834 00:35:20,292 --> 00:35:21,554 - We get on planes, 835 00:35:21,597 --> 00:35:23,556 and play on ESPN and TNT like it's nothin', 836 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,602 but these guys, like theypaved the way for us. 837 00:35:26,646 --> 00:35:30,302 - Every major bit of progress 838 00:35:30,345 --> 00:35:31,825 in the history of most sports 839 00:35:31,868 --> 00:35:35,350 is going to be looked at as threatening. 840 00:35:35,394 --> 00:35:40,007 If you look at George Mikan,Bob Pettit, Bill Russell, 841 00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:43,532 Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 842 00:35:43,576 --> 00:35:46,753 rules were made to slow them down. 843 00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:48,668 There was this fear that they were gonna 844 00:35:48,711 --> 00:35:52,367 take over the game, and skewthe competitive advantage, 845 00:35:52,411 --> 00:35:56,284 and there's no doubt thatthe jump shot fits into that. 846 00:35:56,328 --> 00:35:58,199 - Jimmy Breslin, the famous, you know, 847 00:35:58,243 --> 00:35:59,505 Pulitzer Prize winning columnist, 848 00:35:59,548 --> 00:36:01,985 he was just a sports writer back then, 849 00:36:02,029 --> 00:36:03,422 and he wrote this long column 850 00:36:03,465 --> 00:36:06,468 on how the jump shot had ruined basketball, 851 00:36:06,512 --> 00:36:08,427 because you have one guywho can just take the ball, 852 00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:10,255 either shoot right away off the pass, 853 00:36:10,298 --> 00:36:11,952 or take a couple dribbles, 854 00:36:11,995 --> 00:36:13,910 and just take his guy, and rise up. 855 00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:17,958 - Old school coaches, firstof all, didn't believe in it, 856 00:36:18,001 --> 00:36:20,787 and then once people started to have success, 857 00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:22,789 the idea that this is not basketball. 858 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,796 - This first coach I had,"Dutch" Dehnert was his name, 859 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,711 he had the coaching job there at Cleveland 860 00:36:31,754 --> 00:36:33,278 my first year in the NBA. 861 00:36:34,496 --> 00:36:36,411 A couple days before the season got underway, 862 00:36:36,455 --> 00:36:39,240 I was shootin' jump shotsoff of my buddy there. 863 00:36:43,723 --> 00:36:44,898 Dutch came up. 864 00:36:44,941 --> 00:36:46,116 He said to me, "Sailors", he said, 865 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,989 "Where'd you get that leap and one-hander?" 866 00:36:49,032 --> 00:36:50,338 I said, "I don't know, Dutch". 867 00:36:50,382 --> 00:36:51,861 I said, "I had that quite a while". 868 00:36:51,905 --> 00:36:55,648 I said, "That's what keeps me in the game". 869 00:36:55,691 --> 00:36:58,825 "You just never go in thisleague with a shot like that." 870 00:36:58,868 --> 00:36:59,956 He meant it. 871 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,741 I didn't play much to start with at all. 872 00:37:01,784 --> 00:37:03,699 He says, "I'll show you how to shoot 873 00:37:03,743 --> 00:37:06,789 a good two-handed set shot",and he says, "That dribble", 874 00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:08,878 he says, "We don't dribble in this league". 875 00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:10,880 He says, "We pass the ball up the court". 876 00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:15,624 And I said, "Well, now that you take 877 00:37:15,668 --> 00:37:16,973 my jump shot and my dribble away, 878 00:37:17,017 --> 00:37:18,627 you might as well sell me, get rid of me". 879 00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:20,673 "I aint gonna help you any." 880 00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:21,717 - You know what your strengths are. 881 00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:22,936 You know what you do well. 882 00:37:22,979 --> 00:37:24,372 You know who you are as a basketball player, 883 00:37:24,416 --> 00:37:27,070 and somebody's telling youyou can't do those things, 884 00:37:27,114 --> 00:37:29,290 if I walked into practice,and my coach told me 885 00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:30,639 I couldn't shoot a three, 886 00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:32,859 or I couldn't shoot from this spot on the floor, 887 00:37:34,382 --> 00:37:37,342 I don't know if I would be in the league, 888 00:37:37,385 --> 00:37:38,691 that's for sure. 889 00:37:38,734 --> 00:37:40,083 - This is the way they did it in those days. 890 00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:42,129 They sent Dutch on the road scoutin'. 891 00:37:43,783 --> 00:37:45,306 You know, I don't know whatold Dutch could scout for, 892 00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:47,830 but when we started to do much better, 893 00:37:47,874 --> 00:37:50,964 the general manager, hestarted me right off the bat, 894 00:37:51,007 --> 00:37:52,270 and I was the point guard. 895 00:37:52,313 --> 00:37:53,096 I brought the ball up. 896 00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:54,359 I dribbled it up. 897 00:37:54,402 --> 00:37:56,143 I didn't pass it to anybody. 898 00:37:56,186 --> 00:37:58,711 And he said the same thingmy old college coach said, 899 00:37:58,754 --> 00:38:00,843 "Give the ball to Sailors,and get away from him". 900 00:38:00,887 --> 00:38:02,802 "Get up court." 901 00:38:02,845 --> 00:38:04,804 - People knew thatKenny was the ball player, 902 00:38:04,847 --> 00:38:07,850 and I think he brought in a lot of crowds too. 903 00:38:07,894 --> 00:38:11,332 - If you look at hisstatistics, his points per game, 904 00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:13,421 and the number of times he ranked in 905 00:38:13,465 --> 00:38:15,858 the top 10 in various categories, 906 00:38:15,902 --> 00:38:17,773 he had a verydistinguished pro career, 907 00:38:17,817 --> 00:38:19,732 but he never played for a winning team. 908 00:38:21,429 --> 00:38:22,909 - What gets lost sometimes, 909 00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:24,302 is when people are so brilliant 910 00:38:24,345 --> 00:38:26,086 at something like a jump shot, 911 00:38:26,129 --> 00:38:28,654 they're overshadowed by their own greatness, 912 00:38:28,697 --> 00:38:30,786 and I didn't know that Kenny was 913 00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:32,222 such a brilliant ball handler. 914 00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:36,575 - My dribble, I used it realeffectively in my scoring. 915 00:38:36,618 --> 00:38:38,794 By just dribbling up to a man, 916 00:38:38,838 --> 00:38:41,144 and just usin' a change of pace, and then boo, 917 00:38:41,188 --> 00:38:42,842 take off just like that. 918 00:38:42,885 --> 00:38:46,062 - Okay, Kenny, break 'em down, then. 919 00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:48,238 With a crossover. 920 00:38:48,282 --> 00:38:49,805 Impressive. 921 00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:51,590 Especially watching histeammates shoot afterwards, 922 00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,548 and they're just standin' there. 923 00:38:53,592 --> 00:38:55,376 - I don't know who invented the floater, 924 00:38:56,986 --> 00:38:58,597 but Kenny's got it down too. 925 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,338 - Big thing the jump shot did for me, 926 00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:03,602 is it give me that opportunityto drive to the basket. 927 00:39:03,645 --> 00:39:05,952 - If everybody collapsed,he could pass it. 928 00:39:05,995 --> 00:39:09,738 If everybody stayed, hecould just rise up and shoot. 929 00:39:09,782 --> 00:39:11,436 - You go back and readsome of these old articles, 930 00:39:11,479 --> 00:39:13,699 and you read about his wizardry as a passer, 931 00:39:13,742 --> 00:39:16,397 he was the most adroit dribblerin the basketball annals. 932 00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,878 You hear all the, you know,the stately talk of the day. 933 00:39:24,536 --> 00:39:26,102 - I'd shake the ball, like this. 934 00:39:26,146 --> 00:39:27,669 I can't do it anymore. 935 00:39:27,713 --> 00:39:30,368 But I'd do it real fastthis way, and then that way, 936 00:39:30,411 --> 00:39:34,502 and he'd usually go thatway, and I'd go this way. 937 00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:36,852 - That's a move that stillworks today, actually. 938 00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:39,986 - A little Curry flurry. 939 00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:41,161 - Yeah, I call it the windshield wiper 940 00:39:41,204 --> 00:39:42,423 with one hand, right there. 941 00:39:42,467 --> 00:39:44,686 - But it's just a matter of shakin' the ball. 942 00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:45,861 - They didn't know what to do with that. 943 00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:47,428 - If you talk to Kenny, 944 00:39:47,472 --> 00:39:49,822 he's more proud of being a good defender 945 00:39:49,865 --> 00:39:51,780 than he is about his jump shot. 946 00:39:51,824 --> 00:39:54,653 - My trick in playingdefense was to get down low. 947 00:39:54,696 --> 00:39:56,089 If you put your head, 948 00:39:56,132 --> 00:39:58,265 you'd hit his bellybuttonright here on your forehead. 949 00:39:58,308 --> 00:40:00,833 That's the way you play defense, down in here. 950 00:40:00,876 --> 00:40:02,835 The faster the man is, and you know 951 00:40:02,878 --> 00:40:04,793 the more room you have to give him. 952 00:40:04,837 --> 00:40:07,448 If he's not quick andfast, get right up in here. 953 00:40:07,492 --> 00:40:10,582 - I bet he was movin', and drivin' it, 954 00:40:10,625 --> 00:40:12,192 shootin' off the dribble. 955 00:40:12,235 --> 00:40:14,499 In some ways, he wasplayin' a different game. 956 00:40:15,935 --> 00:40:17,458 - As soon as he touched the ball, 957 00:40:17,502 --> 00:40:19,808 your eyes gravitate tojust how different it looks 958 00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:20,766 when he's dribblin' the ball, 959 00:40:20,809 --> 00:40:22,681 and his creativity on the floor, 960 00:40:22,724 --> 00:40:24,683 which I hope that that's how people 961 00:40:24,726 --> 00:40:26,162 see me when I'm out there. 962 00:40:29,775 --> 00:40:31,864 - So he doesn'treally take credit for it. 963 00:40:31,907 --> 00:40:33,169 He really doesn't it. 964 00:40:33,213 --> 00:40:34,475 - Well, who would know who's the first kid 965 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:35,955 - Well--- that jumped in the air, 966 00:40:35,998 --> 00:40:37,347 and shot a basketball? 967 00:40:37,391 --> 00:40:38,827 - Just take it, and run with it. 968 00:40:38,871 --> 00:40:42,265 - It's the only thing I've done in my life 969 00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:44,920 that people are interested in. 970 00:40:44,964 --> 00:40:45,878 They don't know that that--- You're still doin' it, 971 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:47,096 and you're not even playin'. 972 00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:48,663 You're still goin'. - Most of 'em 973 00:40:48,707 --> 00:40:50,012 don't even know that I'vebeen in the guidin' outfitin', 974 00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:51,840 for over 50 years. - Yeah. 975 00:40:51,884 --> 00:40:52,928 - 50 years. - Was it over 50? 976 00:40:52,972 --> 00:40:53,929 - Right. - I thought it was 30? 977 00:40:53,973 --> 00:40:56,149 - 35 in Alaska. - Wow. 978 00:40:56,192 --> 00:40:59,500 - Or that I was a coach, a high school coach. 979 00:40:59,544 --> 00:41:00,980 A lot of thing I've done 980 00:41:01,023 --> 00:41:04,244 that's probably more importantthan that stupid jump shot. 981 00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:08,466 As I've gotten older, the Lord has shown me 982 00:41:08,509 --> 00:41:10,816 that there's far more things more important 983 00:41:10,859 --> 00:41:12,731 than just sports or basketball. 984 00:41:14,907 --> 00:41:17,387 When I married my wife, the doctors told me 985 00:41:17,431 --> 00:41:20,129 that I'd be fortunate if she lived to be 50. 986 00:41:21,348 --> 00:41:23,089 She had to go to the doctor pretty regular 987 00:41:23,132 --> 00:41:25,831 with that asthma and emphysema. 988 00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:29,661 And I said, "Doc, what kindof a lifestyle can we live 989 00:41:29,704 --> 00:41:32,315 that will prolong her life?", and he said, 990 00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:34,579 "If you can stay out into the country, 991 00:41:34,622 --> 00:41:35,928 and stay out of the cities, 992 00:41:35,971 --> 00:41:38,539 it would be really beneficial to her". 993 00:41:38,583 --> 00:41:41,716 That's why when I gotretirement, pfft, I'm gone. 994 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,849 - Kenny left basketball. 995 00:41:43,892 --> 00:41:46,547 He could've gotten into broadcasting, 996 00:41:46,591 --> 00:41:47,940 maybe doing a column in the paper, 997 00:41:47,983 --> 00:41:49,898 but he wasn't looking for honors in a sense. 998 00:41:49,942 --> 00:41:50,856 It was his way of life. 999 00:41:50,899 --> 00:41:52,379 He wanted to play pro-basketball 1000 00:41:52,422 --> 00:41:53,772 long enough to get a pension, and then quit, 1001 00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:56,252 and go out in the sticks. 1002 00:42:07,873 --> 00:42:10,528 - Alaska was a place that held a fascination 1003 00:42:10,571 --> 00:42:13,052 for my wife and I clearback before we were married. 1004 00:42:14,575 --> 00:42:17,535 Bigger mountains, biggerrivers, bigger everything. 1005 00:42:18,666 --> 00:42:20,712 Marilynne and I loved that experience 1006 00:42:20,755 --> 00:42:22,888 of experimenting with the unknown. 1007 00:42:23,932 --> 00:42:26,239 We lived 20 miles out of just a small town, 1008 00:42:26,282 --> 00:42:29,721 15 hundred people, at the footof the Wrangell Mountains, 1009 00:42:29,764 --> 00:42:32,767 and we lived up there 35 years. 1010 00:42:32,811 --> 00:42:34,726 Up to the 1011 00:42:34,769 --> 00:42:36,031 - We didn't have 1012 00:42:36,075 --> 00:42:38,512 to buy anything, just go out over the country, 1013 00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:40,688 wherever it looks nice, and homestead. 1014 00:42:40,732 --> 00:42:43,169 Set your corners up, and live on it for a year, 1015 00:42:43,212 --> 00:42:43,996 and it's yours. 1016 00:42:45,606 --> 00:42:47,782 - Kenny was an outdoors manwho like to hunt, and fish, 1017 00:42:47,826 --> 00:42:49,915 and be in the mountains, and ride horses. 1018 00:42:49,958 --> 00:42:52,831 To this day, he has some spurs and cowboy hats 1019 00:42:52,874 --> 00:42:54,876 that must be 100 years old. 1020 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,662 - These chaps are a part ofthe business I grew up in. 1021 00:42:57,705 --> 00:42:59,054 Cowboy's hat. 1022 00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:01,143 This is not quite as oldas me, but it's pretty old. 1023 00:43:01,187 --> 00:43:03,189 Most cowboys are pretty proud of their hats. 1024 00:43:03,232 --> 00:43:04,799 - I've told him this. 1025 00:43:04,843 --> 00:43:07,323 I said, "You know, Kenny, youcould've been born in 1821, 1026 00:43:07,367 --> 00:43:09,761 and been a man on the Western Frontier, 1027 00:43:09,804 --> 00:43:11,632 leading wagon trains on the Oregon Trail, 1028 00:43:11,676 --> 00:43:13,547 because you would never have turned back". 1029 00:43:13,591 --> 00:43:15,070 - We got into 1030 00:43:15,114 --> 00:43:16,376 the big game hunting, 1031 00:43:16,419 --> 00:43:18,683 which ended up being one of our major business. 1032 00:43:18,726 --> 00:43:20,815 - It was really great workin' with Kenny. 1033 00:43:20,859 --> 00:43:23,470 We had a really goodrelationship from the start. 1034 00:43:23,513 --> 00:43:26,604 We did mostly sheep huntin',and then some moose hunts. 1035 00:43:26,647 --> 00:43:30,216 Moose, they're so darn big,the way Kenny operated, 1036 00:43:30,259 --> 00:43:31,696 he'd put 'em on the horse's backs, 1037 00:43:31,739 --> 00:43:34,524 and he could pack 'em a lot further than we can. 1038 00:43:35,874 --> 00:43:38,833 - We had to drive over 100miles to the end of a road 1039 00:43:38,877 --> 00:43:41,140 with the horses, and thenride into the mountains 1040 00:43:41,183 --> 00:43:43,316 to get to the hunting camp. 1041 00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:44,534 Being in the mountains is amazing. 1042 00:43:44,578 --> 00:43:45,884 That's one of my favorite things. 1043 00:43:45,927 --> 00:43:48,103 But riding horses for 12 hours in the mountains, 1044 00:43:48,147 --> 00:43:50,932 not so much when you're likeeight or nine-years-old. 1045 00:43:52,325 --> 00:43:54,066 - Word got around pretty fast 1046 00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:55,763 that he'd been in the NBA. 1047 00:43:57,069 --> 00:43:58,723 I don't think he bragged about it, 1048 00:43:58,766 --> 00:44:00,550 but it was somethin' that came up. 1049 00:44:00,594 --> 00:44:01,900 - We were in awe, 1050 00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:04,903 because he had played with the Boston Celtics. 1051 00:44:04,946 --> 00:44:06,426 - We just couldn't believe 1052 00:44:06,469 --> 00:44:09,690 that somebody thattalented and accomplished 1053 00:44:09,734 --> 00:44:12,301 could come to this little, podunk place 1054 00:44:12,345 --> 00:44:13,694 in the middle of nowhere. 1055 00:44:15,217 --> 00:44:17,176 - Hunting season started in August, 1056 00:44:17,219 --> 00:44:19,613 so by October, I'm all through, 1057 00:44:19,657 --> 00:44:21,180 and it worked out perfect for me 1058 00:44:21,223 --> 00:44:23,051 coachin' and teachin' in the schools. 1059 00:44:24,574 --> 00:44:27,316 - Kenny was my basketballcoach, my track coach, 1060 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,667 my football coach, my wresting coach. 1061 00:44:29,710 --> 00:44:31,799 He pretty much filled the coaching spot 1062 00:44:31,843 --> 00:44:33,105 for everything we had. 1063 00:44:34,367 --> 00:44:36,717 - Before Kenny arrived, there was no 1064 00:44:36,761 --> 00:44:40,634 scholastic basketballparticipation for the girls. 1065 00:44:41,548 --> 00:44:43,332 It was just PE classes, 1066 00:44:43,376 --> 00:44:46,205 and possibly intermural scrimmages. 1067 00:44:46,248 --> 00:44:47,902 - There was no girls basketball. 1068 00:44:47,946 --> 00:44:49,817 I didn't like that, because I had a daughter 1069 00:44:49,861 --> 00:44:51,819 that was a good athlete,and I thought it was wrong 1070 00:44:51,863 --> 00:44:53,560 for it not to have a girls program. 1071 00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:56,476 - At that time, the girls couldn't 1072 00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:57,869 cross over the half line, 1073 00:44:57,912 --> 00:45:00,219 except for the rovingguards, and roaming forwards. 1074 00:45:00,262 --> 00:45:02,482 - And it was the old Iowagame they use to call it, 1075 00:45:02,525 --> 00:45:03,744 the half-court game. 1076 00:45:03,788 --> 00:45:06,312 They played six people to a team, 1077 00:45:06,355 --> 00:45:08,401 and only three of them could cross half-court. 1078 00:45:08,444 --> 00:45:10,664 - The reason women played six on six 1079 00:45:10,708 --> 00:45:13,058 is because they didn'twant us to get exhausted. 1080 00:45:13,101 --> 00:45:14,755 - Girls wereconsidered to be so frail 1081 00:45:14,799 --> 00:45:16,670 they couldn't run up and down the court. 1082 00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,063 - They thought if we could just run 1083 00:45:18,106 --> 00:45:20,065 half-court here and a half-court there 1084 00:45:20,108 --> 00:45:22,763 it wouldn't be too physically taxing on us. 1085 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:24,809 It's crazy. 1086 00:45:24,852 --> 00:45:26,419 - He grew up with a really strong woman, 1087 00:45:26,462 --> 00:45:28,421 so in his mind, women are tough, 1088 00:45:28,464 --> 00:45:30,771 so why can't they run up and down the court? 1089 00:45:30,815 --> 00:45:32,381 - So I worked to get girls basketball goin', 1090 00:45:32,425 --> 00:45:35,080 and I use to travel aroundwith one of the gals, 1091 00:45:35,123 --> 00:45:37,430 and we'd go hold clinics all over the state, 1092 00:45:37,473 --> 00:45:38,779 and try to convince 'em 1093 00:45:38,823 --> 00:45:40,433 that they needed a girlsprogram in their schools, 1094 00:45:40,476 --> 00:45:42,827 Just as important as it is for boys. 1095 00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:45,090 - Up to that point,organized girls basketball 1096 00:45:45,133 --> 00:45:47,092 was played just in the private school system, 1097 00:45:47,135 --> 00:45:48,615 and he was instrumental in getting 1098 00:45:48,658 --> 00:45:49,877 that state tournament started. 1099 00:45:49,921 --> 00:45:52,401 And by 1970, there were teams all over Alaska 1100 00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:54,795 playing in the girls basketball tournament, 1101 00:45:54,839 --> 00:45:56,754 and his team was in the thick of things. 1102 00:45:56,797 --> 00:45:58,756 - He put Glennallen on the map. 1103 00:45:58,799 --> 00:46:01,759 - He had somehellacious good girls teams. 1104 00:46:01,802 --> 00:46:03,325 - Anybody who had a team, 1105 00:46:03,369 --> 00:46:05,763 and was willing to play us, we would play. 1106 00:46:05,806 --> 00:46:07,329 - The other thing that Kenny did, 1107 00:46:07,373 --> 00:46:09,767 he gave Native girls achance to play basketball. 1108 00:46:11,203 --> 00:46:13,727 - The first team I coachedthere in Glennallen, 1109 00:46:13,771 --> 00:46:17,731 I think they were all Athabascans or Eskimos, 1110 00:46:17,775 --> 00:46:20,778 all the girls, except two or three. 1111 00:46:20,821 --> 00:46:23,563 - They were generallydeemed too little to play. 1112 00:46:23,606 --> 00:46:25,391 They weren't as tall instature as the white girls, 1113 00:46:25,434 --> 00:46:27,262 the Anglo girls, if you will. 1114 00:46:27,306 --> 00:46:30,091 But that was okay with Kenny,because he could teach them. 1115 00:46:30,135 --> 00:46:32,354 - He taught us by demonstration. 1116 00:46:32,398 --> 00:46:34,313 We'd see how he did it, and we'd copy, 1117 00:46:34,356 --> 00:46:36,358 and them, you know, whoa, we can do things 1118 00:46:36,402 --> 00:46:38,317 we never dreamed we'd be able to do. 1119 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,841 - Believe it or not, Itaught 'em the same offense 1120 00:46:40,885 --> 00:46:42,451 that I played in college. 1121 00:46:42,495 --> 00:46:43,931 My old college coach says, 1122 00:46:43,975 --> 00:46:45,803 "You guys that are gonna coachin high school", he said, 1123 00:46:45,846 --> 00:46:47,543 "Don't try to teach this to high school kids". 1124 00:46:47,587 --> 00:46:49,589 "It'll take 'em, they'd be seniors 1125 00:46:49,632 --> 00:46:50,982 before they could ever learn how to do it." 1126 00:46:51,025 --> 00:46:53,201 It didn't my girls that long. 1127 00:46:53,245 --> 00:46:55,116 They picked it up in a hurry. 1128 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,422 - He was very proud of 'em, 1129 00:46:56,465 --> 00:46:58,772 because they did what he taught 'em to do, 1130 00:46:58,816 --> 00:47:00,861 and that was, forget about being ladies 1131 00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:02,732 when you're on the basketball court. 1132 00:47:02,776 --> 00:47:06,736 Once they overcame that, he had a winnin' team. 1133 00:47:06,780 --> 00:47:07,912 - That's huge for women. 1134 00:47:07,955 --> 00:47:09,870 That's huge, especially when you were told 1135 00:47:09,914 --> 00:47:10,915 you're not supposed to be aggressive, 1136 00:47:10,958 --> 00:47:12,090 or you're not supposed to sweat, 1137 00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:13,395 or you're not supposed to be 1138 00:47:13,439 --> 00:47:15,136 out there playin', bein' physical. 1139 00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:16,746 - I'll brag a little here now. 1140 00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:19,706 My girls won three state championships, 1141 00:47:19,749 --> 00:47:22,796 and we came in second oncein a seven year period. 1142 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,319 - They won 68 straight games, 1143 00:47:24,363 --> 00:47:26,756 and became a powerhouse, this little Glennallen. 1144 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,412 - He organizedbasketball, and made it big 1145 00:47:30,456 --> 00:47:31,849 in the state of Alaska. 1146 00:47:34,547 --> 00:47:36,810 - He just constantly used the sport 1147 00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,203 to influence people's lives. 1148 00:47:38,246 --> 00:47:41,728 - I don't think there's alife that he didn't touch 1149 00:47:41,771 --> 00:47:44,252 up in the Glennallen area. 1150 00:47:44,296 --> 00:47:47,560 - I was really a lousy basketball player, 1151 00:47:48,953 --> 00:47:52,347 but he encouraged me to play. 1152 00:47:52,391 --> 00:47:55,916 - He gave us purpose,passion, personal confidence 1153 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,744 to become a lot of different things 1154 00:47:57,787 --> 00:48:00,181 that would never have happened otherwise. 1155 00:48:00,225 --> 00:48:01,835 - I think he saw something in me 1156 00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:04,664 that he wanted to develop. 1157 00:48:04,707 --> 00:48:05,970 - That was a big part for him. 1158 00:48:06,013 --> 00:48:07,536 It's not necessarily winning championships, 1159 00:48:07,580 --> 00:48:10,931 but developing kids who would have the mentality 1160 00:48:10,975 --> 00:48:12,106 to take what they learned, 1161 00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:14,413 and apply it to other areas of their life. 1162 00:48:14,456 --> 00:48:16,502 - In order for him to go empower them to say, 1163 00:48:16,545 --> 00:48:19,026 "Look, this game right here is amazing". 1164 00:48:19,070 --> 00:48:21,028 "It builds team work, character, chemistry." 1165 00:48:21,072 --> 00:48:23,813 "It builds all that stuff thatyou need in the real world, 1166 00:48:23,857 --> 00:48:25,903 and empower women at the same time." 1167 00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:29,602 I mean, that's all you're really want man. 1168 00:48:30,995 --> 00:48:32,083 - He's the best thing 1169 00:48:32,126 --> 00:48:33,823 that could've happened to Glennallen. 1170 00:48:35,651 --> 00:48:38,741 - For 35 years, Kenny lived in Alaska, 1171 00:48:38,785 --> 00:48:40,265 and at least half of that time 1172 00:48:40,308 --> 00:48:43,703 was spent teaching and coachingat the high school level. 1173 00:48:43,746 --> 00:48:45,444 He retired at age 70. 1174 00:48:45,487 --> 00:48:48,838 And throughout all the, youknow, his exciting adventures, 1175 00:48:48,882 --> 00:48:50,797 Grandma stayed by his side. 1176 00:48:57,499 --> 00:48:58,805 - That's my girl. 1177 00:49:00,633 --> 00:49:05,551 60 years of my life I spent with that girl. 1178 00:49:09,511 --> 00:49:11,426 My wife and I had a wonderful marriage, 1179 00:49:11,470 --> 00:49:12,950 and it lasted a long time. 1180 00:49:14,081 --> 00:49:15,822 We've enjoyed livin' with each other. 1181 00:49:15,865 --> 00:49:17,911 We enjoyed our family. 1182 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:20,087 I don't know how itcould've been any better. 1183 00:49:21,393 --> 00:49:23,699 She contacted dementia, 1184 00:49:23,743 --> 00:49:28,226 and gradually you lose yourmemory of things way back. 1185 00:49:35,363 --> 00:49:37,800 One time at night, woke up in the winter time, 1186 00:49:37,844 --> 00:49:39,933 and I looked over, and she wasn't in bed. 1187 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,893 So I went and looked in the bathroom, 1188 00:49:43,937 --> 00:49:46,026 and out in the kitchenwhere sometimes she gets up, 1189 00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:48,681 and goes and gets a cup of coffee, 1190 00:49:48,724 --> 00:49:50,596 and then, no sign of her. 1191 00:49:51,858 --> 00:49:53,947 So I went outside, 1192 00:49:53,991 --> 00:49:55,688 and I went around thecorner of our lodge there, 1193 00:49:55,731 --> 00:49:57,342 and there she stood. 1194 00:50:03,609 --> 00:50:04,914 The northern lights, oh, they were beautiful, 1195 00:50:04,958 --> 00:50:07,743 right down around her, andme, and everybody else. 1196 00:50:09,310 --> 00:50:11,399 It was about 30 degrees below outside, 1197 00:50:12,879 --> 00:50:15,708 and she was just standin' therewith her night clothes on, 1198 00:50:15,751 --> 00:50:17,884 and she did have hercloak on, thank goodness. 1199 00:50:19,364 --> 00:50:21,322 When I told the doctors aboutit, that's when they said, 1200 00:50:21,366 --> 00:50:22,845 "Kenny, you better begin thinkin' about 1201 00:50:22,889 --> 00:50:24,064 gettin' out of this climate, 1202 00:50:24,108 --> 00:50:25,892 because you'll walk out one of these nights 1203 00:50:25,935 --> 00:50:29,026 when it's 40 or 50 below, andshe won't last very long". 1204 00:50:30,897 --> 00:50:31,941 - I think she realized 1205 00:50:31,985 --> 00:50:33,726 that she needed to stay healthy for him 1206 00:50:33,769 --> 00:50:34,814 'cause they were a team. 1207 00:50:36,033 --> 00:50:37,382 A lot of decisions that he made in his life 1208 00:50:37,425 --> 00:50:39,906 were because he wanted to be there for her, 1209 00:50:39,949 --> 00:50:41,821 and, you know, as she got sicker, 1210 00:50:41,864 --> 00:50:45,390 just being there as much ashe possibly could for Grandma 1211 00:50:46,826 --> 00:50:47,870 until she was gone, so. 1212 00:50:49,872 --> 00:50:52,005 - It's tough, but the Lord gives you strength 1213 00:50:52,049 --> 00:50:54,312 that you don't even know where it comes from. 1214 00:50:55,226 --> 00:50:56,575 He just gives you the strength 1215 00:50:56,618 --> 00:50:58,794 to go through most anything, mm-hmm. 1216 00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:05,497 - He doesn't understand why 1217 00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:07,716 he's still gettin' around, and stuff, 1218 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,806 other than the Lord has things for him to do. 1219 00:51:14,767 --> 00:51:16,247 - When you think in terms of Kenny 1220 00:51:16,290 --> 00:51:19,206 essentially dropping out ofthe basketball world in 1951, 1221 00:51:19,250 --> 00:51:22,166 and coming back almost in the 21st century, 1222 00:51:22,209 --> 00:51:24,559 it's almost like these peoplewho will wake out of a coma, 1223 00:51:24,603 --> 00:51:27,258 and have to learn how to usea computer, and a cellphone. 1224 00:51:27,301 --> 00:51:31,827 That one-hand modern day jumpshot has changed the game, 1225 00:51:31,871 --> 00:51:36,310 that which maybe a computerhas changed our generation. 1226 00:51:36,354 --> 00:51:38,399 - You could almostgo decade by decade, 1227 00:51:38,443 --> 00:51:40,749 and the game is almost unrecognizable 1228 00:51:40,793 --> 00:51:42,403 to the previous decade. 1229 00:51:42,447 --> 00:51:43,752 That being said, 1230 00:51:43,796 --> 00:51:45,754 there are elements that give it some continuity. 1231 00:51:45,798 --> 00:51:47,887 The jump shot certainly contributed to that. 1232 00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:49,541 - It's a whole different game 1233 00:51:49,584 --> 00:51:52,892 than Dr. Naismith originallyenvisioned in his mind. 1234 00:51:52,935 --> 00:51:54,241 - The interesting thing about basketball 1235 00:51:54,285 --> 00:51:55,677 is it's always evolving. 1236 00:51:55,721 --> 00:51:58,115 All the greats of the game can do thing today 1237 00:51:58,158 --> 00:52:01,118 that nobody ever thought that players could do. 1238 00:52:01,161 --> 00:52:02,771 - With thethree-point lines moving to 1239 00:52:02,815 --> 00:52:04,556 a perimeter oriented game, 1240 00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:06,819 and whether people know it or not, 1241 00:52:06,862 --> 00:52:08,603 you can anywhere in the world, 1242 00:52:08,647 --> 00:52:09,865 and watch people play basketball, 1243 00:52:09,909 --> 00:52:11,737 and they're shooting Kenny's shot. 1244 00:52:15,523 --> 00:52:18,309 - I'm gettinga little excited right now. 1245 00:52:18,352 --> 00:52:21,050 In Laramie they may be dancing in the streets. 1246 00:52:21,094 --> 00:52:23,575 - In 1987, our basketball team 1247 00:52:23,618 --> 00:52:25,925 beat a highly rated UCLA team 1248 00:52:25,968 --> 00:52:28,145 to advance to the Sweet 16. 1249 00:52:28,188 --> 00:52:29,711 - Wyoming delivered. 1250 00:52:32,192 --> 00:52:35,152 - A couple years ago, theuniversity put a team into the 1251 00:52:35,195 --> 00:52:36,849 Wyoming Sports Hall of Fame. 1252 00:52:38,503 --> 00:52:40,461 One morning I came down for breakfast, 1253 00:52:40,505 --> 00:52:42,071 and I saw Kenny Sailors there, 1254 00:52:42,115 --> 00:52:44,335 so I sat down and ate breakfast with him, 1255 00:52:44,378 --> 00:52:47,729 and to my shock, I find outthat he wasn't recognized 1256 00:52:47,773 --> 00:52:49,340 in the Naismith Hall of Fame. 1257 00:52:50,732 --> 00:52:52,081 I just thought he was in, 1258 00:52:52,125 --> 00:52:53,866 and then when I found out he wasn't, 1259 00:52:53,909 --> 00:52:56,042 from that moment on, Ijust kinda made up my mind 1260 00:52:56,085 --> 00:52:58,566 that I'm going to put every effort I can 1261 00:52:58,610 --> 00:53:02,831 into seein' if we can't getKenny put into the Hall of Fame, 1262 00:53:02,875 --> 00:53:04,181 because he belongs there. 1263 00:53:04,224 --> 00:53:07,096 I mean, this is a righteous project. 1264 00:53:15,061 --> 00:53:17,368 - The Naismith MemorialBasketball Hall of Fame 1265 00:53:17,411 --> 00:53:21,720 is one of the more confusedinstitutions of its stature. 1266 00:53:21,763 --> 00:53:23,896 - They operate a little differently. 1267 00:53:23,939 --> 00:53:26,768 They are not like the standard Hall of Fame. 1268 00:53:26,812 --> 00:53:28,770 - When it comes timeto vote for Cooperstown 1269 00:53:28,814 --> 00:53:30,816 every media outlet in the country 1270 00:53:30,859 --> 00:53:33,514 is discussing who belongs in and why, 1271 00:53:33,558 --> 00:53:34,776 and everybody knows the rules. 1272 00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:37,692 75% of the vote from active members 1273 00:53:37,736 --> 00:53:40,260 of the Baseball Writers' Association of America 1274 00:53:40,304 --> 00:53:41,696 gets you into Cooperstown, 1275 00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:43,481 and that vote is gonna bepublished in the morning, 1276 00:53:43,524 --> 00:53:45,222 and many guys reveal their vote. 1277 00:53:45,265 --> 00:53:47,136 - With the Naismith Hall of Fame 1278 00:53:47,180 --> 00:53:51,271 it's a secret process with a secret committee. 1279 00:53:51,315 --> 00:53:54,100 - Nobody's quite surehow you do or don't get in 1280 00:53:54,143 --> 00:53:56,363 to the Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame. 1281 00:53:57,321 --> 00:53:58,670 - There are people who say that, 1282 00:53:58,713 --> 00:54:00,715 "Kenny Sailors is the best basketball player 1283 00:54:00,759 --> 00:54:02,369 they ever saw play". 1284 00:54:02,413 --> 00:54:04,676 If you ever need a bigger testament 1285 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,896 that this was one of thegreat basketball players ever, 1286 00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:10,290 at the 1990 Final Four in Denver, 1287 00:54:10,334 --> 00:54:12,771 they recognized the players of the decade 1288 00:54:12,814 --> 00:54:15,339 for the first 50 years of NCAA Tournament. 1289 00:54:15,382 --> 00:54:20,300 For the 1980s, PatrickEwing, '70's, Magic Johnson, 1290 00:54:20,344 --> 00:54:24,522 '60s, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,'50s, Bill Russell. 1291 00:54:24,565 --> 00:54:26,698 Kenny got it for the 1940s. 1292 00:54:26,741 --> 00:54:28,047 Not bad company. 1293 00:54:29,309 --> 00:54:30,702 - I know it's a hard job to induct people 1294 00:54:30,745 --> 00:54:32,878 into the Hall of Fame, and the criteria, 1295 00:54:32,921 --> 00:54:35,359 you know, you've gotta lookat so many different things. 1296 00:54:35,402 --> 00:54:36,708 I understand that, 1297 00:54:36,751 --> 00:54:38,231 but if you really want to do your job right, 1298 00:54:38,275 --> 00:54:39,145 you would do your homework, 1299 00:54:39,188 --> 00:54:40,320 you would do your research, 1300 00:54:40,364 --> 00:54:42,670 and you would realize that he belongs. 1301 00:54:42,714 --> 00:54:44,629 - I am confident in saying, 1302 00:54:44,672 --> 00:54:48,197 "There is no largeromission from a major sport 1303 00:54:48,241 --> 00:54:50,896 Hall of Fame than Kenny Sailors". 1304 00:54:50,939 --> 00:54:53,812 The only thing you can tell me 1305 00:54:53,855 --> 00:54:57,076 about why Kenny Sailorsshouldn't be in the Hall of Fame 1306 00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:59,818 is because Kenny Sailors is not famous. 1307 00:55:01,167 --> 00:55:02,429 - Were you sayin', 1308 00:55:02,473 --> 00:55:03,952 talkin' about once you had some endorsements, 1309 00:55:03,996 --> 00:55:05,606 but the club got the money? 1310 00:55:05,650 --> 00:55:07,608 - And what were you selling? 1311 00:55:13,179 --> 00:55:15,007 - Prune juice, huh? 1312 00:55:15,050 --> 00:55:18,924 That's supposed to be for digestion? 1313 00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:20,186 - Oh, prune juice. 1314 00:55:23,276 --> 00:55:26,061 That was the Gatorade backin the day, prune juice? 1315 00:55:26,105 --> 00:55:27,367 Ew. 1316 00:55:27,411 --> 00:55:29,369 - "Nature's great energy builder." 1317 00:55:29,413 --> 00:55:30,718 I gotta try that, actually. 1318 00:55:30,762 --> 00:55:31,763 - That's pretty good. 1319 00:55:31,806 --> 00:55:33,068 He's got a good smile. 1320 00:55:33,112 --> 00:55:34,766 He's repin' it, I like that. 1321 00:55:34,809 --> 00:55:36,420 - You know, I'm almost 40, at this point, 1322 00:55:36,463 --> 00:55:38,552 I'll try anything, so I might have them give me 1323 00:55:38,596 --> 00:55:40,293 the Bennetts Prune Juice. 1324 00:55:40,337 --> 00:55:43,035 - I don't know if you cando that nowadays, but hey, 1325 00:55:43,078 --> 00:55:44,602 if it weren't for prune juice, 1326 00:55:44,645 --> 00:55:46,517 there probably wouldn't have been a Gatorade. 1327 00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:50,303 - Yeah, we've talked about this a lot, 1328 00:55:50,347 --> 00:55:51,696 and others have contributed ideas 1329 00:55:51,739 --> 00:55:53,654 as to why Kenny's not in the Hall of Fame. 1330 00:55:53,698 --> 00:55:56,091 It's a whole series of events, I think, 1331 00:55:56,135 --> 00:55:58,703 but essentially, that he disappeared for so long. 1332 00:55:58,746 --> 00:56:01,793 - It is as simple asout of sight, out of mind. 1333 00:56:01,836 --> 00:56:03,882 Kenny went away, and all of a sudden, 1334 00:56:03,925 --> 00:56:06,232 his name became,"Remember Kenny Sailors?" 1335 00:56:06,275 --> 00:56:07,799 - The trail got lost 1336 00:56:07,842 --> 00:56:10,715 after he'd spent anotherlife time in another world. 1337 00:56:13,326 --> 00:56:14,283 - And, of course, the question of 1338 00:56:14,327 --> 00:56:15,763 who invented the modern jump shot 1339 00:56:15,807 --> 00:56:17,417 seemed to be almost irrelevant, 1340 00:56:17,461 --> 00:56:20,246 because everybody thoughtthat it's always existed, 1341 00:56:20,289 --> 00:56:21,203 so who cares? 1342 00:56:22,683 --> 00:56:24,511 - Every time we did talk about it, 1343 00:56:24,555 --> 00:56:25,425 there were those that said, 1344 00:56:25,469 --> 00:56:27,906 "Well, he didn't invent it". 1345 00:56:27,949 --> 00:56:28,863 "These guys invented it." 1346 00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:30,865 - I mean, Luisetti. 1347 00:56:30,909 --> 00:56:32,389 - To a lot of people, 1348 00:56:32,432 --> 00:56:34,042 the jump shot wascredited to Hank Luisetti. 1349 00:56:34,086 --> 00:56:35,566 - I called Hank Luisetti. 1350 00:56:35,609 --> 00:56:37,829 He said, "I didn't have a jump shot". 1351 00:56:37,872 --> 00:56:40,614 "I had a running one-hander." 1352 00:56:40,658 --> 00:56:41,746 - There's a debate over 1353 00:56:41,789 --> 00:56:43,008 the inventor of the jump shot, 1354 00:56:43,051 --> 00:56:45,010 because you have so many definitions of it. 1355 00:56:45,053 --> 00:56:47,316 - When you start talking aboutthis, everybody's got a name. 1356 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,448 - John Miller Cooper. 1357 00:56:48,492 --> 00:56:50,015 - John Miller Cooper. 1358 00:56:50,058 --> 00:56:53,105 - So the story with John Cooperwas that he was in the post, 1359 00:56:53,148 --> 00:56:54,672 and someone threw him a pass 1360 00:56:54,715 --> 00:56:56,064 that he kinda had to jump up to get, 1361 00:56:56,108 --> 00:56:58,937 and he just turned at thesame time, and shot it. 1362 00:56:58,980 --> 00:57:01,853 - You know, you talk aboutguys like Belus Smawley. 1363 00:57:01,896 --> 00:57:03,158 - I've covered Belus, so I know. 1364 00:57:03,202 --> 00:57:05,552 He was a two-handed shot off this way, 1365 00:57:05,596 --> 00:57:07,206 kinda off to the side. 1366 00:57:07,249 --> 00:57:08,816 - It's one of those things, 1367 00:57:08,860 --> 00:57:11,297 that it's like ingrainedin our basketball culture, 1368 00:57:11,340 --> 00:57:14,518 your jump shot is like your hand print. 1369 00:57:14,561 --> 00:57:16,737 - Even Joe Fulks, whowas a teammate of Kenny's, 1370 00:57:16,781 --> 00:57:17,869 had an unusual shot. 1371 00:57:17,912 --> 00:57:19,087 - A real pro-veteran, 1372 00:57:19,131 --> 00:57:20,915 "Jumpin' Joe Fulks". - It was over his head, 1373 00:57:20,959 --> 00:57:24,832 the ball was up here, bothhands, he'd get a little height. 1374 00:57:24,876 --> 00:57:27,748 And boy, oh boy, how he could shoot that thing. 1375 00:57:27,792 --> 00:57:31,099 - There might be 100 guys outthere that shot a jump shot 1376 00:57:31,143 --> 00:57:32,797 if you wanna count leavin' the floor, 1377 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,756 and throwin' the ball towardthe bucket a jump shot. 1378 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,671 - The Hall of Fame recognized Glenn Roberts 1379 00:57:37,715 --> 00:57:39,978 as the founder of the jump shot, 1380 00:57:40,021 --> 00:57:42,981 and they found him on very sparse evidence. 1381 00:57:43,024 --> 00:57:45,853 - Who knows for sure, buthe was a guy in the '30s, 1382 00:57:45,897 --> 00:57:49,248 you know, had the shot,and put up great numbers. 1383 00:57:49,291 --> 00:57:50,423 - Clearly, Glenn Roberts 1384 00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:51,990 had a shot that was different 1385 00:57:52,033 --> 00:57:53,818 that involved leaving the ground. 1386 00:57:53,861 --> 00:57:55,863 - But again, is it definitive? 1387 00:57:55,907 --> 00:57:57,430 No. 1388 00:57:57,474 --> 00:58:01,303 - People can legitimatelycontest a jump shot, 1389 00:58:01,347 --> 00:58:02,653 but not "the jump shot". 1390 00:58:08,354 --> 00:58:11,705 - The real thing that separatesKenny from everyone else, 1391 00:58:11,749 --> 00:58:13,446 if you're talking about a jump shot, 1392 00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:15,796 is Kenny gave it its coming out party. 1393 00:58:17,929 --> 00:58:18,973 - Kids in their community 1394 00:58:19,017 --> 00:58:20,801 started tryin' to imitate that shot 1395 00:58:20,845 --> 00:58:23,151 as soon as they saw it in "Life Magazine". 1396 00:58:24,892 --> 00:58:27,591 I had people tell me, even ballplayers tell me 1397 00:58:27,634 --> 00:58:30,985 that that's the first pictureI ever saw of a jump shot. 1398 00:58:31,029 --> 00:58:32,770 - We've talked about what it meant to be 1399 00:58:32,813 --> 00:58:36,643 on the main stage of MadisonSquare Garden in 1943. 1400 00:58:36,687 --> 00:58:40,821 "Life Magazine" was every bitas impactful, if not more. 1401 00:58:42,214 --> 00:58:44,695 - So here's this "Life Magazine" picture, 1402 00:58:44,738 --> 00:58:47,698 read by and looked at by kids like me 1403 00:58:47,741 --> 00:58:50,918 all over the country, saying,"What is happening here?" 1404 00:58:50,962 --> 00:58:52,790 - "Life Magazine" was such a dominant 1405 00:58:52,833 --> 00:58:55,357 publication at the time that, you know, 1406 00:58:55,401 --> 00:58:57,664 millions of people see this shot, 1407 00:58:57,708 --> 00:59:00,449 and they realize thatsomeone has done something 1408 00:59:00,493 --> 00:59:01,886 that they don't normally see. 1409 00:59:01,929 --> 00:59:04,366 - Today, guys aretrained to go straight up, 1410 00:59:04,410 --> 00:59:06,151 but there was nobodytelling him how to do it, 1411 00:59:06,194 --> 00:59:07,718 because nobody had done it. 1412 00:59:07,761 --> 00:59:10,764 - Kids saw it, and thenthey went and tried to do it. 1413 00:59:12,287 --> 00:59:13,724 - Well, I used myjump shot everywhere I went. 1414 00:59:13,767 --> 00:59:16,814 In fact, when I played with Providence, 1415 00:59:16,857 --> 00:59:19,077 they required me to goaround to the high school, 1416 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,384 and hold clinics on how toshoot the jump shot, yeah. 1417 00:59:22,428 --> 00:59:24,822 I kinda enjoyed that, so. 1418 00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:26,824 - You could use it as anargument to prove time travel. 1419 00:59:26,867 --> 00:59:31,916 I mean, it looks like thisguy from last night's NBA game 1420 00:59:31,959 --> 00:59:33,657 was plopped down into the era 1421 00:59:33,700 --> 00:59:36,355 of black leather shoes and tight shorts. 1422 00:59:36,398 --> 00:59:38,400 This was the shot that changed the game, 1423 00:59:38,444 --> 00:59:40,838 but nobody realized, when he came down 1424 00:59:40,881 --> 00:59:42,666 the world was gonna be different. 1425 00:59:44,363 --> 00:59:45,407 - Here, let me clean you off here. 1426 00:59:45,451 --> 00:59:46,583 - I got it. 1427 00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:50,761 Keep it just like it is in the front, Larry. 1428 00:59:50,804 --> 00:59:53,024 - It's just amazing to me 1429 00:59:53,067 --> 00:59:55,896 that with all the evidence we've piled up 1430 00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:57,811 in the last 10 years, you know, 1431 00:59:57,855 --> 01:00:00,466 and he still denies culpability. 1432 01:00:00,509 --> 01:00:02,555 - And who knows, back in the 1800s, 1433 01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:05,689 some kid out in PodunkHigh could jump in the air, 1434 01:00:05,732 --> 01:00:07,865 and throw the ball, couldn't he? 1435 01:00:07,908 --> 01:00:10,041 It's a jump shot if his feet leaves the floor. 1436 01:00:11,216 --> 01:00:12,652 - He's not the type of individual 1437 01:00:12,696 --> 01:00:14,611 who's going to speak against 1438 01:00:14,654 --> 01:00:16,482 the accomplishments of other people. 1439 01:00:16,525 --> 01:00:19,790 When I spoke to Kenny,he was careful to confine 1440 01:00:19,833 --> 01:00:22,314 absolutes to what he knew. 1441 01:00:22,357 --> 01:00:23,794 - Kenny won't tellyou that he's the first. 1442 01:00:23,837 --> 01:00:25,273 You know, he's too humble for that. 1443 01:00:25,317 --> 01:00:26,884 - But he's happy to tell ya 1444 01:00:26,927 --> 01:00:29,103 that this is what otherplayers in my era thought. 1445 01:00:29,147 --> 01:00:31,671 - Ray Meyer from DePaul, hesaid it the best, I think. 1446 01:00:31,715 --> 01:00:33,499 "Sailors may not have been the first player 1447 01:00:33,542 --> 01:00:34,979 to jump in the air, and shoot the ball, 1448 01:00:35,022 --> 01:00:37,677 but he developed the shotthat's being used today." 1449 01:00:46,338 --> 01:00:47,687 - In case he hasn't seen it, 1450 01:00:47,731 --> 01:00:51,343 I'm gonna bring him a copyof the nomination packet 1451 01:00:51,386 --> 01:00:54,476 for the Naismith Hall ofFame, and he may have seen it. 1452 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,218 I'm not sure, but I'm just bringing one along. 1453 01:00:57,262 --> 01:00:59,699 The nomination packet we have for Kenny Sailors 1454 01:00:59,743 --> 01:01:01,788 is a knock your socks off package. 1455 01:01:05,357 --> 01:01:06,314 - Come in, Jim! 1456 01:01:07,664 --> 01:01:08,926 - Where's my buddy? 1457 01:01:08,969 --> 01:01:10,754 There he is. 1458 01:01:11,711 --> 01:01:12,886 - How you doin'? 1459 01:01:12,930 --> 01:01:14,322 - Kenny was fortunate when he came back 1460 01:01:14,366 --> 01:01:16,673 that there were somepeople in his inner circle 1461 01:01:16,716 --> 01:01:17,978 who cared about his legacy. 1462 01:01:18,022 --> 01:01:20,328 - Have you seen the packetfor the Hall of Fame? 1463 01:01:20,372 --> 01:01:21,721 Have you seen one of those?- No, 1464 01:01:21,765 --> 01:01:22,940 I haven't seen it. 1465 01:01:22,983 --> 01:01:25,899 "Developer of the modern jump shot." 1466 01:01:25,943 --> 01:01:27,945 Yeah, that's pretty accurate. 1467 01:01:27,988 --> 01:01:31,557 That looks like the-- - This is Utah State 1468 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,080 in Hells Half Acre. 1469 01:01:33,124 --> 01:01:35,735 Now, there's your "Life Magazine" shot. 1470 01:01:35,779 --> 01:01:36,649 - Yeah. 1471 01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:37,824 And that crazy jump shot, 1472 01:01:37,868 --> 01:01:39,696 it's really got me into trouble. 1473 01:01:40,958 --> 01:01:43,743 It's bigger than Ithought it would ever be. 1474 01:01:43,787 --> 01:01:47,051 I never give a thought backwhen I was first developin' it 1475 01:01:47,094 --> 01:01:49,444 that it would develop intosomethin' like it is today. 1476 01:01:49,488 --> 01:01:51,316 - The sport of basketball'sseen many names 1477 01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:52,709 shape its rich history, 1478 01:01:52,752 --> 01:01:54,754 but there's one name that escapes memory. 1479 01:01:54,798 --> 01:01:55,799 - Not only is Kenny Sailors 1480 01:01:55,842 --> 01:01:57,148 one of the great players of all time, 1481 01:01:57,191 --> 01:01:58,279 he's the guy who first thought of the idea 1482 01:01:58,323 --> 01:01:59,933 of shooting a jump shot. 1483 01:01:59,977 --> 01:02:04,285 - As aplayer/pioneer/contributor,Sailors has few equals. 1484 01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:07,158 - For where would basketballbe without Kenny Sailors, 1485 01:02:07,201 --> 01:02:09,769 and what is known today as the jump shot? 1486 01:02:09,813 --> 01:02:12,859 - We've had CBS comeout, and do a feature on him. 1487 01:02:12,903 --> 01:02:16,254 - The University ofWyoming has done a tremendous 1488 01:02:16,297 --> 01:02:20,345 service to unearth thisstory in the last 10 years. 1489 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,782 - It's not about Kenny, to him, 1490 01:02:22,826 --> 01:02:24,828 but he does it to raise the bar 1491 01:02:24,871 --> 01:02:26,177 for the University of Wyoming, 1492 01:02:26,220 --> 01:02:28,701 and raise the bar for his teammates. 1493 01:02:28,745 --> 01:02:29,615 - The "New York Daily News" 1494 01:02:29,658 --> 01:02:31,704 did a feature on him last year. 1495 01:02:31,748 --> 01:02:34,446 - Kenny Sailors is not just a Wyoming treasure, 1496 01:02:34,489 --> 01:02:35,926 but he's a treasure for the game. 1497 01:02:35,969 --> 01:02:40,669 - He led Wyoming to the 1943 NCAA Championships. 1498 01:02:40,713 --> 01:02:41,714 They did beat Georgetown. 1499 01:02:41,758 --> 01:02:42,802 Patrick did not play in that game. 1500 01:02:42,846 --> 01:02:44,325 He's not quite that old. 1501 01:02:44,369 --> 01:02:46,806 - Sailors belongs in theNaismith Memorial Hall of Fame. 1502 01:02:46,850 --> 01:02:48,329 I mean, you've got the guy 1503 01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:50,114 who invented the 24-secondshot clock in the Hall of Fame. 1504 01:02:50,157 --> 01:02:52,116 You can't get the guy whoinvented the jump shot 1505 01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:53,073 in the Hall of Fame? 1506 01:02:55,206 --> 01:02:57,382 - He was involved in an ESPN special, 1507 01:02:57,425 --> 01:03:00,515 narrating for the 75thanniversary of the Final Four. 1508 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,822 - Who better a person to narrate a story 1509 01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:04,824 about the history of the NCA Tournament 1510 01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:07,174 than the man who invented the jump shot? 1511 01:03:07,218 --> 01:03:08,436 - Please give a round of applause 1512 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,396 for Kenny Sailors. 1513 01:03:11,439 --> 01:03:12,701 - You know, since I've been here, 1514 01:03:12,745 --> 01:03:14,834 I've been asked by quite a few people, 1515 01:03:14,878 --> 01:03:17,097 you know, if I'm happy to be here. 1516 01:03:18,316 --> 01:03:21,710 And, you know, at 92-years of age 1517 01:03:21,754 --> 01:03:22,886 you're happy to be anywhere. 1518 01:03:29,457 --> 01:03:31,895 - I always marveledat how he'd come up here, 1519 01:03:31,938 --> 01:03:35,376 he's 92-years-old, and he'd walk the arena 1520 01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:39,511 as if he was a, I don'tknow, 60 or 70-year-old guy. 1521 01:03:39,554 --> 01:03:40,904 - Kenny's always in the outdoors, 1522 01:03:40,947 --> 01:03:42,731 and he's always playin' basketball, 1523 01:03:42,775 --> 01:03:44,733 and he always stayed in shape. 1524 01:03:44,777 --> 01:03:45,822 - And he could go out and shoot 1525 01:03:45,865 --> 01:03:47,562 left-handed, right-handed on a court, 1526 01:03:47,606 --> 01:03:49,260 put up layups, little hook shots. 1527 01:03:49,303 --> 01:03:52,872 - He was dribblin' thebasketball between his legs. 1528 01:03:52,916 --> 01:03:55,875 For God sake, I can't even find my leg. 1529 01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:58,486 - He can yo-yo up and down crosswise, 1530 01:03:58,530 --> 01:04:00,880 and he could still do all this stuff today. 1531 01:04:00,924 --> 01:04:04,753 You won't see many 90-plus-year-olds being able to do that. 1532 01:04:05,754 --> 01:04:07,582 - That was my jump shot. 1533 01:04:07,626 --> 01:04:10,020 - You take away all the business, all the media, 1534 01:04:10,063 --> 01:04:11,978 all the hype around the game, 1535 01:04:12,022 --> 01:04:16,113 and you wanna see purelove, look at Kenny Sailors. 1536 01:04:18,767 --> 01:04:22,728 - Kenny is still around, andeverybody sees him at games. 1537 01:04:22,771 --> 01:04:24,773 People like to be around him. 1538 01:04:24,817 --> 01:04:27,689 Children, they wanna get his autograph. 1539 01:04:27,733 --> 01:04:30,388 - Was goin' to Wyomingpractices at 80-years-old, 1540 01:04:30,431 --> 01:04:32,390 like, I know I probably, 1541 01:04:32,433 --> 01:04:33,870 if I've been playin' the game for that long, 1542 01:04:33,913 --> 01:04:35,393 I'm not going to a random practice 1543 01:04:35,436 --> 01:04:37,264 on a Tuesday and Wednesdayjust to check it out. 1544 01:04:37,308 --> 01:04:38,918 That's just love for the game. 1545 01:04:40,528 --> 01:04:42,879 - I practiced a littlebit, . 1546 01:04:43,705 --> 01:04:45,272 - Ready? - Ready. 1547 01:04:45,316 --> 01:04:46,447 - You'd look at him and say, 1548 01:04:46,491 --> 01:04:48,710 "I think Kenny Sailors could go on", 1549 01:04:48,754 --> 01:04:51,713 who's know how long hecould go on, in the 100s. 1550 01:04:51,757 --> 01:04:53,237 - I know I'm an old man, 1551 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,544 and I know I can't dotoday what I did when I was 1552 01:04:57,763 --> 01:05:01,027 even in my 70s, even come close to it. 1553 01:05:01,071 --> 01:05:04,161 Yeah, I was still guidin'some when I was in my 70s. 1554 01:05:04,204 --> 01:05:06,119 Yeah, and I could climb that mountain 1555 01:05:06,163 --> 01:05:07,729 after that white sheep, and stuff, 1556 01:05:07,773 --> 01:05:09,862 but that was still, you know, 1557 01:05:09,906 --> 01:05:10,863 I shouldn't have been, probably, 1558 01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:12,517 because it is dangerous. 1559 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,085 And I can still talk withpeople pretty well, so. 1560 01:05:15,128 --> 01:05:18,392 And I can still do the thingsthat someone my age can do. 1561 01:05:18,436 --> 01:05:21,004 It's the physical things that I can't do, yeah, 1562 01:05:21,047 --> 01:05:22,788 and I don't even wanna try. 1563 01:05:24,442 --> 01:05:26,270 I wanna stay as healthy as I can 1564 01:05:26,313 --> 01:05:28,315 up until the time I get out of here. 1565 01:05:28,359 --> 01:05:30,448 I don't wanna have to go into a nursing home, 1566 01:05:30,491 --> 01:05:32,885 or spend a long time in the hospital, 1567 01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:34,843 or somethin', you know? 1568 01:05:34,887 --> 01:05:36,933 I don't want people to have the trouble 1569 01:05:36,976 --> 01:05:38,804 of tryin' to take care of me when I get older. 1570 01:05:38,847 --> 01:05:40,110 There's the whole thing. 1571 01:05:52,078 --> 01:05:52,905 Yeah. 1572 01:05:54,820 --> 01:05:55,603 Okay. 1573 01:05:59,781 --> 01:06:01,392 Okay, I got her. 1574 01:06:04,917 --> 01:06:07,398 - Well, Kenny'sslowed down a little bit, 1575 01:06:07,441 --> 01:06:09,878 and remarkably so, will tell you. 1576 01:06:12,055 --> 01:06:13,882 He doesn't like getting out quite as much 1577 01:06:13,926 --> 01:06:16,668 just 'cause it's harderfor him to stand and walk 1578 01:06:16,711 --> 01:06:18,061 for extended periods of time. 1579 01:06:21,847 --> 01:06:24,110 - What's amazing for a man who's been so proud 1580 01:06:24,154 --> 01:06:26,330 of what he could do for so long on his own, 1581 01:06:26,373 --> 01:06:28,375 he's accepted these thingswith a lot of grace, 1582 01:06:28,419 --> 01:06:29,942 and that's not easy. 1583 01:06:29,986 --> 01:06:31,074 - Well, hi, Betty. 1584 01:06:32,205 --> 01:06:33,511 - He focuses on the positive, 1585 01:06:33,554 --> 01:06:35,252 and I think that's why he's the person he is, 1586 01:06:35,295 --> 01:06:37,994 and the person he hasbeen for quite some time. 1587 01:06:38,037 --> 01:06:39,212 - Sat over here. 1588 01:06:39,256 --> 01:06:41,171 - He still feels like he has a purpose, 1589 01:06:41,214 --> 01:06:44,304 that's what keeps him goin',and makes him most fulfilled. 1590 01:06:44,348 --> 01:06:45,697 - I tried to get him to 1591 01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:47,046 pay attention to me. - There you go. 1592 01:06:47,090 --> 01:06:48,047 - You never did. 1593 01:06:48,091 --> 01:06:49,396 - She's lyin'. 1594 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,529 You know, it was just the other way around. 1595 01:06:51,572 --> 01:06:52,791 - Yeah, ha.- She wouldn't look at me. 1596 01:06:52,834 --> 01:06:54,314 - Ha ha ha. - Yeah, she wouldn't 1597 01:06:54,358 --> 01:06:56,664 have anything to do with me.- Yeah. 1598 01:06:56,708 --> 01:06:59,145 - Here, I thought you were thegreatest girl in high school. 1599 01:06:59,189 --> 01:07:00,451 - Oh, baloney. 1600 01:07:02,018 --> 01:07:03,758 - Kenny's always had a good sense of humor. 1601 01:07:03,802 --> 01:07:07,066 He is not too proud toaccept kidding about himself. 1602 01:07:07,110 --> 01:07:08,372 - Be careful with that hat. 1603 01:07:08,415 --> 01:07:10,200 I mean, I don't want you to get it dirty. 1604 01:07:10,243 --> 01:07:12,463 - I don't wanna geta disease from this hat. 1605 01:07:12,506 --> 01:07:14,987 That's a stinky, smelly, old hat 1606 01:07:15,031 --> 01:07:16,293 - Oh, come on, Bill. - that should be 1607 01:07:16,336 --> 01:07:18,164 probably buried outside with a skunk. 1608 01:07:18,208 --> 01:07:22,821 - Ha, yeah, that hat's got a lot of prestige, 1609 01:07:22,864 --> 01:07:24,301 and I'll tell ya, 1610 01:07:24,344 --> 01:07:25,954 well, you can tell by lookin' at it. 1611 01:07:25,998 --> 01:07:27,782 - Well, it looks like alot of interesting things 1612 01:07:27,826 --> 01:07:29,132 have happened to this hat, probably a lot 1613 01:07:29,175 --> 01:07:30,698 more than sweat. - Well, the horse 1614 01:07:30,742 --> 01:07:33,049 drank water out of it, and ate oats out of it, 1615 01:07:33,092 --> 01:07:36,443 and we did all sorts of things with that hat. 1616 01:07:36,487 --> 01:07:38,271 - What else did you-- - I drank out of it. 1617 01:07:38,315 --> 01:07:40,926 But you can tell by lookin'at it, it's had a few years. 1618 01:07:40,969 --> 01:07:42,275 - So can I put this on your head 1619 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:43,929 just to see what it looks like today? 1620 01:07:43,972 --> 01:07:48,107 I think it's good for him,and for me, to test his wit. 1621 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,283 Keeps him sharp. 1622 01:07:50,327 --> 01:07:53,504 He's gotta have comebacks,and he can dish it right back. 1623 01:07:53,547 --> 01:07:56,550 - I treat this hat with a lot of respect, Bill. 1624 01:07:56,594 --> 01:07:57,682 - It doesn't deserve any. 1625 01:08:05,994 --> 01:08:08,388 - Anytime Kenny's in the building, 1626 01:08:08,432 --> 01:08:11,217 I wanna make sure heunderstands the love's there. 1627 01:08:11,261 --> 01:08:12,436 - Hi, Coach. 1628 01:08:12,479 --> 01:08:14,002 Excuse me for not gettin' up. 1629 01:08:14,046 --> 01:08:15,308 - You don't have to get up. 1630 01:08:15,352 --> 01:08:16,918 I'm supposed to get up for the old man. 1631 01:08:16,962 --> 01:08:18,442 You're not supposed toget up for the young man. 1632 01:08:18,485 --> 01:08:19,225 - Okay. 1633 01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:20,052 - How you doin'? 1634 01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:20,966 - He wanders our halls. 1635 01:08:21,009 --> 01:08:22,489 He comes to our games. 1636 01:08:22,533 --> 01:08:23,925 He hugs our kids when we lose. 1637 01:08:23,969 --> 01:08:25,492 He hugs our kids when we win. 1638 01:08:25,536 --> 01:08:28,321 We're fortunate that he'sbeen part of our experience. 1639 01:08:29,714 --> 01:08:31,194 - Three-up, guys. 1640 01:08:31,237 --> 01:08:34,588 - Sometimes what you give getsthrown back to you tenfold, 1641 01:08:34,632 --> 01:08:35,850 and that's the dream, I think, 1642 01:08:35,894 --> 01:08:37,852 all of us have for Kenny Sailors. 1643 01:08:37,896 --> 01:08:38,853 - You bet. 1644 01:08:38,897 --> 01:08:40,072 - He's already put his name 1645 01:08:40,116 --> 01:08:41,247 amongst the greatest college players, 1646 01:08:41,291 --> 01:08:43,336 he and the College Basketball Hall of Fame, 1647 01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:44,555 but it would be great for him to be 1648 01:08:44,598 --> 01:08:45,860 in the Naismith Hall of Fame, 1649 01:08:45,904 --> 01:08:47,558 and have his name with all those great 1650 01:08:47,601 --> 01:08:49,821 college and professional players. 1651 01:08:49,864 --> 01:08:51,562 - Everyone who knows his story 1652 01:08:51,605 --> 01:08:53,259 would love to see this happen for him 1653 01:08:53,303 --> 01:08:55,000 when he can appreciate it, when he can live it, 1654 01:08:55,043 --> 01:08:56,610 when he can know that he went down 1655 01:08:56,654 --> 01:08:58,046 with the greatest basketball players ever, 1656 01:08:58,090 --> 01:08:58,960 and he'll be there forever. 1657 01:08:59,004 --> 01:09:00,614 He deserves to know that. 1658 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,878 - The sooner the election, the better. 1659 01:09:03,922 --> 01:09:06,359 - It's a borrowed time situation. 1660 01:09:06,403 --> 01:09:08,405 It would be great right now. 1661 01:09:08,448 --> 01:09:12,887 - Please welcome your host 1662 01:09:12,931 --> 01:09:14,324 for the NBA All-Star 1663 01:09:14,367 --> 01:09:17,457 Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame announcement-- 1664 01:09:17,501 --> 01:09:18,719 - It is a big day. 1665 01:09:18,763 --> 01:09:20,721 A lot of people have worked a lot. 1666 01:09:20,765 --> 01:09:22,419 - Yeah, you know, this weekend, 1667 01:09:22,462 --> 01:09:24,072 hopefully we'll get some good news. 1668 01:09:24,116 --> 01:09:28,468 - It's so exciting justthinking about if it happens. 1669 01:09:28,512 --> 01:09:30,731 - I think Kenny's probablyhandelin' it the best. 1670 01:09:30,775 --> 01:09:32,516 But for those of us who really would like 1671 01:09:32,559 --> 01:09:33,821 to see him get this honor, 1672 01:09:33,865 --> 01:09:35,606 we're probably a little more anxious than he is. 1673 01:09:35,649 --> 01:09:36,737 - Good morning, everybody, 1674 01:09:36,781 --> 01:09:38,130 and thank you for joining us here. 1675 01:09:38,174 --> 01:09:39,610 A very special welcome to 1676 01:09:39,653 --> 01:09:41,307 all of our friendswatching around the world 1677 01:09:41,351 --> 01:09:42,961 on NBA-- - Well, that's the 1678 01:09:43,004 --> 01:09:45,616 million dollar question, "Does he have a chance?" 1679 01:09:45,659 --> 01:09:48,923 - Truthfully, I think they're about 50/50. 1680 01:09:48,967 --> 01:09:50,273 It should be 100%. 1681 01:09:50,316 --> 01:09:52,275 - We need to get to now the introduction 1682 01:09:52,318 --> 01:09:56,453 of the first members of theHall of Fame class of 2015. 1683 01:10:02,328 --> 01:10:03,242 - Oh, shit. 1684 01:10:10,554 --> 01:10:12,338 I'm so down in some ways, 1685 01:10:12,382 --> 01:10:14,819 and then I'm so pissed off in other ways. 1686 01:10:14,862 --> 01:10:18,649 And to me, it goes back to the two basic areas. 1687 01:10:18,692 --> 01:10:22,870 One, it happened so long ago it's not relevant. 1688 01:10:22,914 --> 01:10:24,785 And then the second part of it is, 1689 01:10:24,829 --> 01:10:28,093 we just haven't reallyproved our case well enough. 1690 01:10:29,312 --> 01:10:30,878 I need to sit down, and think about this, 1691 01:10:30,922 --> 01:10:32,010 and I think all of us do. 1692 01:10:32,053 --> 01:10:35,796 But from winning you get some feedback, 1693 01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,494 and from losing you get some feedback, 1694 01:10:37,537 --> 01:10:40,148 and I think that we get all our ducks in a row, 1695 01:10:40,192 --> 01:10:42,890 and then we bang 'em early for next year. 1696 01:10:42,934 --> 01:10:45,066 Please believe me, this aint finished. 1697 01:10:46,590 --> 01:10:48,809 - When Kenny Sailors getsinto the Hall of Fame 1698 01:10:48,853 --> 01:10:51,812 it will, unfortunately, be a ripple. 1699 01:10:51,856 --> 01:10:53,510 Not with a bang, but a whimper. 1700 01:10:55,555 --> 01:10:56,948 It will, however, 1701 01:10:56,991 --> 01:11:00,212 complete the Naismith MemorialBasketball Hall of Fame, 1702 01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,083 because right now it's incomplete, 1703 01:11:02,127 --> 01:11:04,999 and it can't be complete without Kenny. 1704 01:11:05,043 --> 01:11:06,000 - The evidence is there. 1705 01:11:06,044 --> 01:11:07,175 It's been there. 1706 01:11:07,219 --> 01:11:08,829 You're hopin' that over time, 1707 01:11:08,873 --> 01:11:12,050 maybe the next year somehow,they see it differently 1708 01:11:12,093 --> 01:11:13,834 than they saw it a year before. 1709 01:11:13,878 --> 01:11:16,750 But I just don't think peopleare gonna appreciate something 1710 01:11:16,794 --> 01:11:19,318 that happened, in their eyes, so long ago. 1711 01:11:19,362 --> 01:11:21,973 - His name, his accolades,it's just his whole legacy 1712 01:11:22,016 --> 01:11:23,104 should be in the Hall of Fame, 1713 01:11:23,148 --> 01:11:24,671 and his family deserves that as well. 1714 01:11:26,064 --> 01:11:28,414 We're gonna keep fightinguntil we get him in there. 1715 01:11:28,458 --> 01:11:32,723 - The game is built onwhat the pioneers have done 1716 01:11:32,766 --> 01:11:36,335 in every era, and we owe 'em a lot, 1717 01:11:36,379 --> 01:11:38,381 because that's the foundation of the game, 1718 01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:40,339 and you see trial and error, 1719 01:11:40,383 --> 01:11:43,560 you see innovation atthat time, and new things, 1720 01:11:43,603 --> 01:11:46,258 like Kenny Sailors and the jump shot. 1721 01:11:46,302 --> 01:11:47,999 - His story has to be told. 1722 01:11:48,042 --> 01:11:51,481 Now that I know, I'm gonnatake it to the Hall of Fame. 1723 01:11:51,524 --> 01:11:55,049 I'm gonna share this storywith other athletes and people 1724 01:11:55,093 --> 01:11:59,184 so they know the origin of where this started. 1725 01:11:59,227 --> 01:12:03,101 - All of us that have everplayed or coached the game 1726 01:12:03,144 --> 01:12:08,149 should have a picture of KennySailors' ass up somewhere 1727 01:12:09,673 --> 01:12:13,720 that we can kiss every timewe go into the locker room. 1728 01:12:13,764 --> 01:12:15,243 - I want Sailors' family just to know 1729 01:12:15,287 --> 01:12:16,680 that we appreciate him. 1730 01:12:16,723 --> 01:12:18,812 We appreciate what he did for the game. 1731 01:12:18,856 --> 01:12:20,553 We appreciate just the level of teaching 1732 01:12:20,597 --> 01:12:23,034 that he brought after hefinished playing the game. 1733 01:12:24,383 --> 01:12:25,906 It's just something I've never seen before. 1734 01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:29,519 Just to love and care forother people, and for the game, 1735 01:12:29,562 --> 01:12:31,347 that's just an amazing man right there. 1736 01:12:31,390 --> 01:12:33,958 - I don't think to this day Kenny is interested 1737 01:12:34,001 --> 01:12:36,569 in his legacy as a jump shooter. 1738 01:12:36,613 --> 01:12:38,745 He doesn't care that he'sthe first jump shooter. 1739 01:12:38,789 --> 01:12:40,138 He doesn't even wanna talk about that. 1740 01:12:40,181 --> 01:12:42,923 He's interested in talkingabout what he had to do 1741 01:12:42,967 --> 01:12:44,708 to be the best version of himself. 1742 01:12:45,883 --> 01:12:47,798 - There's only one number retired 1743 01:12:47,841 --> 01:12:50,888 at the University of Wyoming,and that's number four. 1744 01:12:50,931 --> 01:12:53,673 If you've got a legacy in that size, 1745 01:12:53,717 --> 01:12:58,374 you've got a high ladder toclimb to reach Kenny Sailors. 1746 01:12:58,417 --> 01:12:59,723 - This is probably the quote 1747 01:12:59,766 --> 01:13:01,855 that summed Kenny up the best for me I said, 1748 01:13:01,899 --> 01:13:03,291 "Do you wanna go into the Hall of Fame?" 1749 01:13:03,335 --> 01:13:05,468 He says, "Oh, sure I wannago into the Hall of Fame". 1750 01:13:05,511 --> 01:13:06,773 "It'd mean a great deal to me." 1751 01:13:06,817 --> 01:13:08,688 "Basketball's done a lot for me." 1752 01:13:08,732 --> 01:13:11,909 I told Jim Brandenburg that,and he laughed and said, 1753 01:13:11,952 --> 01:13:13,693 "Kenny's got that backwards". 1754 01:13:13,737 --> 01:13:16,392 "Nobody's ever done morefor basketball than Kenny." 1755 01:13:20,396 --> 01:13:22,049 - I guess, from a world standpoint, 1756 01:13:22,093 --> 01:13:24,965 they'd probably say, "I had acalling to play basketball". 1757 01:13:27,272 --> 01:13:30,275 Since it's worked out, basketball's given me an opportunity 1758 01:13:30,318 --> 01:13:32,451 to speak to people thatprobably wouldn't have even 1759 01:13:32,495 --> 01:13:34,758 spoke to me if I hadn't been a good ball player. 1760 01:13:36,324 --> 01:13:39,458 And the Lord uses these thingsin the lives of individuals. 1761 01:13:39,502 --> 01:13:41,721 My case, it was sports, and the jump shot. 1762 01:13:44,768 --> 01:13:46,813 Yeah, I'm not in the Hall of Fame. 1763 01:13:46,857 --> 01:13:48,075 So far, I've never made it. 1764 01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:52,166 If I were to make the Hall of Fame today, 1765 01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:54,125 oh, you know, it'd be nice. 1766 01:13:54,168 --> 01:13:56,780 I mean, I'm a human beingjust like everybody else. 1767 01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,699 But I know I belong tothe greatest Hall of Fame 1768 01:14:02,742 --> 01:14:04,788 that any man or woman can ever belong to, 1769 01:14:06,442 --> 01:14:09,096 and when you belong to that,and you know you belong to it, 1770 01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:10,881 you don't worry about these Halls of Fames 1771 01:14:10,924 --> 01:14:12,709 that men create down here. 1772 01:14:12,752 --> 01:14:14,362 Don't mean that much to you. 1773 01:14:28,551 --> 01:14:29,900 - Wyoming's Kenny Sailors, 1774 01:14:29,943 --> 01:14:33,381 who had just turned95-years-of-age two weeks ago, 1775 01:14:33,425 --> 01:14:36,167 passed away in his sleepthis morning at 2:50 a.m. 1776 01:14:38,038 --> 01:14:39,866 Here in Laramie, Wyoming. 1777 01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:41,999 I'll just say this, there's no bigger fan, 1778 01:14:42,042 --> 01:14:45,829 or a fellow that lovedCowboy and Cowgirl basketball 1779 01:14:45,872 --> 01:14:47,831 as much as Kenny Sailors. 1780 01:15:08,199 --> 01:15:11,681 - I remember one time we werewatchin' the NCAA Tournament, 1781 01:15:11,724 --> 01:15:15,511 and I asked Kenny about hisFinal Four, and he said, 1782 01:15:15,554 --> 01:15:18,905 "Well, my Final Four would be God, husband, 1783 01:15:18,949 --> 01:15:21,821 father, and US Marine in that order". 1784 01:15:21,865 --> 01:15:23,693 I noticed that basketballwas not on the list, 1785 01:15:23,736 --> 01:15:25,085 and he said, "Yeah". 1786 01:15:25,129 --> 01:15:26,434 He said, "Those are the mostimportant things to me". 1787 01:15:26,478 --> 01:15:27,784 "Those are my Final Four." 1788 01:17:19,939 --> 01:17:22,463 - When we think about UW athletes, 1789 01:17:22,507 --> 01:17:25,815 it's not just what they do onthe court, or on the field, 1790 01:17:25,858 --> 01:17:27,773 it's how they represent the university, 1791 01:17:27,817 --> 01:17:29,819 how they represent the state of Wyoming 1792 01:17:29,862 --> 01:17:32,865 that gives us such pride in what they do. 1793 01:17:32,909 --> 01:17:37,609 Today, we recognize one veryspecial athlete, Kenny Sailors. 1794 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,140 - Well, a statue wasunveiled of my grandfather. 1795 01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:49,839 The first thing I thoughtwas, "That is so huge". 1796 01:17:51,318 --> 01:17:54,582 - It's a great replica ofhis shot in all the detail. 1797 01:17:54,626 --> 01:17:57,629 It brings him back to life just a little bit. 1798 01:17:57,673 --> 01:17:59,892 - Kenny Sailors, as you look at this statue, 1799 01:17:59,936 --> 01:18:01,894 it's larger than life, which is appropriate, 1800 01:18:01,938 --> 01:18:03,766 because he certainly was that way. 1801 01:18:03,809 --> 01:18:05,637 - I think of all the things we've done here, 1802 01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:08,814 I'm most proud of this because of that man. 1803 01:18:08,858 --> 01:18:12,818 I don't know if you can ever tribute him enough, 1804 01:18:12,862 --> 01:18:15,952 but this is about as good as we could do. 1805 01:18:15,995 --> 01:18:17,736 - It's almost surreal. 1806 01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:20,304 It makes me feel reallyproud that I'm a Sailors. 1807 01:18:20,347 --> 01:18:22,132 - It's appropriate we celebrate somebody 1808 01:18:22,175 --> 01:18:25,744 that has meant so much tothis state, to the game, 1809 01:18:25,788 --> 01:18:27,703 and not just when he was playing, 1810 01:18:27,746 --> 01:18:30,706 but he always gave back to the community. 1811 01:18:30,749 --> 01:18:32,446 A great UW Cowboy. 1812 01:18:33,839 --> 01:18:36,712 - I know he'd be embarrassed,and he'd be mad at us, 1813 01:18:36,755 --> 01:18:41,020 but we're very proud thatit turned out as it did.