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- [Reporter] Dr. Brent was naughty,
and he talked his chiropractic patients
into being naughty with him.
Each month, he built an insurance company
for chiropractic work
that he did not perform on his patients.
These patients just sat at home
when the insurance company sent reimbursement checks
to these patients,
Brent had trained these patients to bring the checks to him
in his office,
so he could split the payment with them.
Next he trained another chiropractor to do it for him
and he moved off to California
and that substitute chiropractor
mailed Brent's payments to him.
It was a perfect plan,
except the FBI was watching.
They put Brent in front of a jury in Clearwater, Florida,
where he was convicted of healthcare fraud and mail fraud
and sentenced to three years in prison.
How would Brent recover from this?
Brent Detelich served as CEO
of stem cell Institute of America
and it built a large national network of chiropractors.
He trained these chiropractors
to be very creative.
Instead of providing chiropractic services
that they had received training for in school.
They should inject amniotic stem cells into their patients
from a bottle that his company sold to them.
A product called PaliGen Flow,
they could make more money than they ever dreamed
of making as a chiropractor,
but American stem cell pioneer, Dr. Chris Centeno,
tested this PaliGen flow amniotic stem cell product
in his lab,
and found that it had no living stem cells in it.
So, he created a short expose
that questioned whether this
was actually stem cell fraud.
The expose cause serious problems for Brent,
it revealed how Brent,
who was convicted in federal court
in Western PA teamed up with Jeff Hayes,
who earlier was convicted in federal court
in Northeastern PA.
And together, they created huge ads
in the chiropractor publications for a webinar
where the ex con duo Jeff and Brent
would show how their docu series called Stem Cells Unveiled
would generate patients looking for stem cells
and how chiropractors could join Brent's network
at Stem Cell Institute of America.
The attorney representing Stem Cell Institute
of America sent Dr. Centeno, a demand letter,
stating that Brent Detelich was no longer the CEO
of Stem Cell Institute of America.
As of the day that expose video was released,
and as for their docu series,
Stem Cells Unveiled,
Jeff Hayes simply changed its title
to The Healing Miracle the Truth About Stem Cells
- And to propagate within that damaged area.
- So you're really using your body's own
sort of defense system.
- Not just take care of injuries and diseases.
- And things like Parkinson's, MS.
- MS and Parkinson's and autoimmune conditions.
- [Reporter] Who was Dr. Centeno
and why was he playing the role of Sheriff?
- Dr. Centeno he takes it upon himself to call things out
in the industry that we find to be troublesome.
- We have to police ourselves.
There's too many of these things
springing up right and left.
- with clinicians that if you look at it carefully,
don't have the background, don't have the training,
actually don't even have the understanding
of the product that they're delivering.
- There are doctors out there who
are committing outright fraud.
- [Reporter] Manufacturers intentionally misclassify
their product,
saving money by avoiding safety trials.
These drugs are promoted by a giant network of
social media influencers,
who are paid undisclosed kickbacks for their promotions.
It's a vast network
of natural medicine bloggers, online stores, fake news,
online summits and fake docu series.
And the doctors participating are complicit in what
is arguably a racketeering scheme.
- Before when we would have people promoting
healthy lifestyles or supplements, that's okay.
But when you're promoting things that
aren't even approved by the FDA,
and in fact the FDA has said are not legal.
That is an issue and people are getting injured.
- There are product manufacturers who
are out there, who are manufacturing products
under dangerous conditions
and hurting people.
- Injecting all types of products
that don't even contain stem cells.
- Well, I just wanna know how
something can be called stem cell therapy
when it doesn't contain any living stem cells,
- Charging patients large amounts of money
and just ripping them off.
- My first horse I was about 24, 25 years old,
bought him from bought her from my brother,
and help break her
fell in love.
But I'm almost 70 years old.
I wish I didn't have the pain.
I was really interested in stem cells
and had done a lot of research that, wow,
this could be the answer for me.
- When patients usually come
to me for a consultation.
They've already been to three or four seminars
- And then after the child was born,
they're able to save the placenta,
process that and then that's
where we get stem cells from,
the alternative to adult stem cells.
- I'm Jason Dragoo an orthopedic surgeon
and a stem cell researcher
from Stanford University.
- My name is Dr. Mike Voight
and I'm a professor of physical therapy
at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee,
and I also hold a professorship
at Vanderbilt medical school.
I teach in the orthopedic residency program.
In addition to working in academia and research,
which is my background.
I also have clinical practice
working at the Nashville Hip Institute.
- I'm a veterinarian.
I'm an equine veterinary surgeon at Cornell University.
I have a PhD as well.
I'm an active equine orthopedic surgeon
and we've been working for a long time my laboratory
to work especially towards arthritis.
- You look at the percentage of the therapy offered
to patients within the clinic throughout the United States.
The number one stem cell treatment that is offered
is amniotic fluid, amniotic tissue,
amniotic cells, cord blood.
Sometimes it's categorized as Courtney's jelly,
these are all birth products.
These are all products that are retrieved after delivery
in the delivery room,
and then are packaged as regenerative medicine.
Well, here's the truth.
The truth is at this time, that number one,
if you were a physician and you went
into the delivery suite,
and you harvested this tissue,
there is actually a significant amount of stem cells
and regenerative molecules,
growth factors that are within these substances.
And until we know that plenty of good science,
but then there's this other part,
right and that is,
well that's not a very clean environment.
So how are we going to get this jelly?
These cells, this fluid,
prepared to be injected into patients.
And the truth is now that during this process,
essentially all of the quote stem cells are gone
from the solutions.
They can't live through the processing
and sterilization techniques
that are required to put a vial on the shelf
that's ready for injection.
- We did a comparison
of nine different ammunition type products.
Some were liquid products intended for injection straight
into a knee or another area
like a back or musculoskeletal area.
And some are more like sheets where you're meant to,
for example, repair a rotator cuff
or do a nerve graft.
So we had nine products from four different manufacturers
and our goal was really to do two things.
One was to determine if there were any live cells
in these products.
So our study shows that none of the products,
none of them have a single live cell in them.
- The amnion has become talked about a lot
because it's commonly plugged,
and you've got these ill defined products being sold.
And clearly the testing that's been done so far,
both in Dr. Santana's lab and Dr. Fortier's lab is negative,
at least that their stem cell product.
They may have been useful in some other area,
but it's not through
stem cells.
- So the stem cell injections that we utilize
from the amniotic stem cells.
- There are no live cells that I can say
with very strong conviction in the products
that we tested.
And they really love to say, oh,
they're young stem cells because they come from amnion.
So if they're young,
they should be better.
- Now tissues so much more active.
- But the at least the ones that we tested suggest
that there's not even a live cell,
let alone a stem cell.
- [Reporter] In 1915, a government's chemist
analyzed samples of a famous patent medicine,
Clark Stanley's Snake Oil Liniment.
The chemist found it did not have snake oil in it.
It was a petroleum based product.
Are today's manufacturers and doctors who promote amniotic
or cord blood stem cells,
committing the same type of fraud
that snake oil salesmen committed 100 years ago?
Can they use the term stem cells,
like amniotic stem cells,
or cord blood stem cells,
when chemists who test it say they can't find
living stem cells in it?
- We had a salesperson come in and try
to sell us one of these off the shelf,
amniotic fluid type products.
And I thought it was quite funny.
And that they guaranteed to us that there
was over 2 million stem cells or 2 million cells
in this little vial of fluid that we would reconstitute
with saline and do stuff.
And I didn't buy it at the start,
but there was no it was one
of those things after a little discussion,
we're just going to agree to disagree.
I took the vial to our laboratory biochemistry
and tested it.
And the person was kinda half right at what they told me
he was correct in one regard,
there was 2.3 million cells in this vial
that we had.
But every one of those cells was dead
when we test it,
and when we went back
to confront the salespeople about this,
the only answer we got back was, well,
we never said there was live cells in there.
We just said there were cells.
- So the stem cell injections that we utilize
from the amniotic stem cells have the cytokines
and growth factors,
- The growth factors,
growth factors have this very short life
when they're there.
And so you can imagine that if you prepare something
that's gonna take care of some
of the growth factors,
they can't live through the process.
And then it sits on the shelf and then undergoes
some temperature changes and by the end,
there's essentially nothing left.
- My study get an amnio would suggest
that those growth factors are not present
in the nine amnion products that I tested.
- So that is the most controversial in my opinion,
the most controversial part
of Regenerative Medicine.
It's used the most,
which has the very least data to suggest
that it does anything.
- [Reporter] When the FDA finds a violative manufacturer,
they send out warning letters for the public, clinics,
physicians, anyone who will listen to them.
The problem is,
the audience isn't listening.
How many FDA warning letters have you read?
- And we trickle it down to the general population.
They have no clue what's going on there.
- I had the injections and February of 2017.
By June, I was back to taking painkillers again.
This is the bad one.
They told me I needed hip replaced
over two and a half years ago.
I really felt like it had made a difference
in the beginning.
Come on, where's your ball
to look back on it and talk with medical doctors
who really understand these products.
They said probably it was the anti inflammatory qualities
of the injection, that helped me for a brief period of time.
It wasn't the miracle that they touted,
it might be.
I'ma bust some water out.
The seminars really hit hard about this pain,
free lifestyle and regrowing your joints.
- They are told by everyone that you
are absolutely a candidate and it will cure your bone
on bone arthritis.
So we have to do a lot of education
about what is appropriate and what is not.
- They were also talking about
how they were curing diabetes, Alzheimer's Protocol
when it gets right down to it.
Wouldn't it be on the news?
- A 70 year old patient who came
to me after being treated at one of these clinics,
he paid $22,000 to get these stem cells
which were not live stem cells injected.
Three into his shoulder that were done without guidance,
three into his six into his neck six
into his lower back,
which were done by like a retired GI doctor.
Still in pain six weeks later comes
to see me no one had ever
ordered an MRI done an appropriate workup.
And the guy had metastatic bone cancer all over his body,
not as a result of the treatment,
but certainly he was never gonna get better.
He had a delay in the diagnosis
'cause he wasn't seeing a medical doctor who is trained
to actually figure out what was going on with them.
Before considering these treatment options.
- The patients will eventually get to us
but what really bothers me in this process with
ortho biologics is that potentially six months a year
or two years can elapse by the time they end up
on my doorstep,
at which case maybe the changes
that we could have fixed
with the proper dosage the proper administration biologics,
now is a full blown Orthopedic Surgery case.
- There's no blood work, there's no MRIs,
there's really not a lot of diagnosis.
There's an awful lot of sales pitch.
- [Chris] So here we have a chiropractor who has gone
to a chiropractic consultant David Singer.
- This is Dr. David Sanger.
I'm sending you this video email to invite you
to come and spend some time was made to learn
how to do stem cell from A to Z.
- And Dr. Singer has a training on basically how
to improve your conversions at the seminars,
- I can show you how to present it
to your patients and educate them.
So eight out of 10 will be happy
to be able to purchase.
- And after his class my conversion went up
to 60, 70, 80%
some days I'm even closing 90% of the attendees.
- What you didn't hear obviously is anything about who
is a medically appropriate candidate for these procedures.
Obviously, some of the people at the seminars and based
on what we've seen,
probably half would not be even appropriate for the therapy,
but she's closing 90% now.
Again, this is more timeshare sales
than it is actual medicine.
- It people that are usually
not classically trained physicians that are
offering these neonatal birth products in a vial.
- They don't have medical directors in there.
They typically use nurse practitioners
or physician assistants that work with chiropractors.
- There's no safety and efficacy data
that supports their use.
There's no FDA approval around it.
- Now, maybe down the road,
there'll be a vial of stem cells
from another person.
But we're not there yet.
If you can imagine that you're getting
somebody else's cells and that's injected
into your own body.
Is there any dangers to that?
Well, they might not be cable compatible with ours.
But what else?
What about that, that genetic message?
What about if this other donor had more
of a chance because of their genetic message
to develop cancer,
and your baseline chances of having that
are much lower.
Do we wanna take this genetic message from cells
that from another patient and incorporate it into ours?
Because that's what happens.
There's this give and take this cross communication
with the cells that are injected
into our own body.
So could that be the future?
Absolutely, yes.
Are we there now?
No.
- [Announcer] You may be told stem cells,
including those from fat,
amniotic fluid or umbilical cord like cord blood
or Wharton's jelly, are a miracle treatment.
You may even hear they're FDA approved.
That is not true.
- [Reporter] The FDA classifies human birth tissue
stem cell products as drugs,
requiring safety trials
and pre market approval before human use.
Beware, unapproved stem cell therapies
have led to serious infections,
blindness and death.
The correct classification for these drugs is what's known
as a 351.
It's a lengthy process and costs lots of money
to save time and money.
Violative manufacturers deceive the public
and the FDA by misclassifying their stem cell products
as a 361 with the FDA,
what's a 361?
For decades, the FDA has allowed manufacturers
to register birth tissue products as a 361
when its purpose was to provide structure or support,
however,
and this is important to understand when it relies
on cellular activity like stem cells.
The FDA says it's a drug
and must be classified as a 351
and go through human safety trials
and be fully reviewed by the FDA.
This is confusing for the public and media
and violative manufacturers of stem cell products
have taken advantage of that fact.
- And those are things that patients need
to look out for.
If it is a allogeneic product if it's coming
from something other than you and the manufacturer is saying
that it is a stem cell product,
that product needs to be approved
before it can be put out onto the market
- [Reporter] To lawfully market these products
an approved biologics license application is needed.
But the manufacturers are selling their drugs without one.
- Now, the fact that it's out on the market
without FDA enforcement is another matter entirely.
- [Reporter] So violative manufacturers
misclassify their product,
labeling their stem cell product as a 361
instead of a 351 which allows them to make money today.
Rather than perform human safety
and efficacy trials,
- They told me their success rate was above 80
close to 90%.
So I was under the impression it was gonna work.
- [Interviewer] What advice do you have for someone
so this doesn't happen to them?
- Do not use FDA approved stem cells,
they're not living.
- [Interviewer] So wait,
make sure they're using FDA approved?
Is that what you're saying?
- [Harold] No do not use FDA approved.
- [Interviewer] Okay.
- And I'm sorry to say it that way,
but the FDA apparently approved for the stem cells
that I was being injected with.
So these doctors made money off of me
and did not,
it did not work.
- [Interviewer] So you're under the impression
then that the FDA has approved product you're injected with?
- I'm under that impression.
I don't know that for a fact.
- [Interviewer] Why are you under that impression?
- Because all things that go into your body
have to be approved by the FDA.
That's food and drugs.
That's what they do.
- [Interviewer] What if I told you that the injectates
that you received did not have FDA approval?
- Well, then its illegal.
Are you, they didn't have approval
from the FDA to inject me with that?
I didn't know that.
- [Interviewer] You spent how much?
- 14,000 on the stem cell and chiropractic work
and another 2,000 for the the infrared belt that
was supposed to,
melt your fat.
I was desperate.
I took the money and I put it in there to,
so I could get back to work.
I still haven't worked since.
Since that time.
I got the impression this was totally safe that there
was no side effects.
After I got my injection,
it was less than a week I started getting knots
on the inside of my right knee.
The registered nurse who had injected me,
advised me to go to the doctors and get a biopsy,
went to the doctor.
They refused to do the biopsy.
Said let's treat it with antibiotics first.
We did the antibiotics.
It actually started running down this vein
and hurts like a bruise when you touch it.
- So that right there.
- (gasping) Right there's hurt, yeah that hurts a lot.
- Okay, there is the vein there.
- It just, it's been 18 months
since that just happened.
And it got as big as a golf ball about that big.
- And that was within a week
and that had never happened before in your knee?
- No.
- Gotcha.
Yeah, so right there is where there's swelling
in the joint.
There's a Baker's cyst there,
they probably seated an infection
into the vein,
and there's veins all around here.
And this particular one,
all of it drains and comes together.
This particular one got infected,
and then obviously you took the antibiotics
and the infection went away.
That infection will harm the vein,
meaning it will make the vein harder,
because it's inflamed
and it scars down a little bit.
So that's probably what you've been feeling there.
Whether it was the product that was infected,
or just poor technique, I don't know.
- Stuff injected in me was not approved by the FDA.
I didn't know that.
And there was no stem cells in,
or no living stem cells,
Doug described to the,
the stuff that was injected is not FDA approved.
It's a registered tissue.
So all that means is that the company
that sells it goes online
fills out a 45 minute free registration form
to say this is where we are
in case you want to come inspect us.
It doesn't mean
that FDA has looked at it at all.
In fact, it could be,
it could be a little place
in a strip mall for all they know.
So it's not FDA approved.
It's not FDA cleared.
It just is registered in a form that says
this is where we live
and this is what we're doing if you wanna come take a look.
So I can't and that's
how we just have Liveyon,
which is an umbilical cord product that was contaminated,
put 12 people in the hospital,
- [Announcer] And your future.
- Follow me, it's easy to get lost around here.
- I feel like regenerative medicine
is my last option.
Because if it's true I can't seem to heal,
because my own cells aren't young and healthy enough
to do their job.
- That's exactly right.
And that's why the introduction
of Liveyon's new live cells back into your body
is our newest scientific breakthrough.
- The Regen Series.
- It is our prize serum.
- [Reporter] Recognize him?
That's Alan Gavick,
who was profiled in Jeff Hayes and Brent Detelich
infomercial, the Healing Miracle.
Maybe this presentation could explain it better
than I could.
- [Announcer] What happens is Liveyon's live,
new, vibrant cells go to work immediately.
- There's nothing truthful at all
about the process.
By which this stuff is manufactured, marketed, injected.
- And now we're starting to see the plaintiffs bar,
develop in this area,
filing different suits against the manufacturers of
these allergenic products.
- That we represent six people,
all of whom received injections of a contaminated substance
in their spine.
And they were all conned into getting these injections
believing that this substance had,
which contain millions of living stem cells.
We've had it tested and it does not.
- The product manufacturer is saying
it's a stem cell product
when it doesn't have any stem cells in it.
- We get 300,000 stem cells.
- It didn't contain any living stem cells,
but it did contain a bacteria that lives in the
intestinal tract of humans and animals.
In many cases,
they actually implied if not represented that the substance
was FDA approved.
These treatments aren't approved by the FDA for
injection for orthopedic use.
- [Announcer] From an alternative medicinal offering
to a medically accepted FDA approved treatment.
- The whole thing was gonna cost $18,000.
It wasn't covered under insurance.
They told me if I couldn't afford it,
they had a financing plan
their in house plan.
I went to the second procedure, felt like there
was broken glass that you had replaced my disk
with broken glass and I tried
to cancel the third stem cell procedure.
The doctors told me your stem cells were ordered last week,
they're in the fridge,
they're gonna die if you don't get them this Wednesday,
with amount of money I'd put out.
I just said we'll go and get them done.
- Now is where it really gets exciting.
When the stem cells begin to enter the body
- [Announcer] Our umbilical cord derived
adult mesenchymal stem cells are
independently tested to assure adherence to the
industry's highest standards.
- Then my body instantly told me bad idea.
I'm crawling on the table.
Moaning, they put me back to sleep
gave me a epidural immediately to kill the pain.
I ended up losing 40 pounds in just two weeks.
Just with the time I had in bed I started Googling.
I see the recall come up
from Liveyon, I called the doctor asked him about it.
He told me has nothing to worry about
that if I wanted ease my mind
that we would actually call Liveyon Rep.
So we reached out to Liveyon rep
on three way with the doctor.
He assured me that,
everything's fine with Liveyon,
I'm just having some pain back there.
- As we mentioned,
this is bacteria that is normally found
in fecal matter,
- I'd make it to the hospital.
They checked me in and tell me,
I've got E.coli
in my bloodstream.
And if I had waited another 24 to 48 hours
that I would have died.
- [Reporter] The CDC identified as of now 13 patients
who got sick after getting a stem cell injection.
- Luckily, no patients died.
- [Announcer] Ask your doctor how you can stimulate
the healing from within.
- I have some two patents on placental perfusion.
So I learned how to recover stem cells
from placenta the same way you recover viable cells
from human livers, human kidneys,
which I did for a few years,
back around 2003 to 2006.
And I've been in the field
of primary cell culture for since the 80s.
- The company that actually processed the stuff
was called Gene Tech.
- I got involved in Gene Tech through a friend
of a friend,
and I offered to help them set up
a compliant system for making stem cells
with for therapeutic use.
They told me oh, we have a,
an order from this company Liveyon.
And I said, well, an order for what,
and they sent me an invoice
that said they were selling MSCs
for intra articular injection.
And I said, well,
we don't make MSCs for intra articular injection.
We're just getting started here okay
and I don't even know basically what you're calling an MSc
but if you really want to sell them something you can,
but you have to do it for research use only
it can't be for human therapeutic use,
because we don't have the systems required to do
that kinda work.
- [Reporter] The CDC said,
though Gene Tech and Liveyon are registered with the FDA,
such registration is not a form of FDA approval.
FDA registration alone does not demonstrate compliance
of firms or their products with the law,
- The FDA inspected and then warned
of the California manufacturer Gene Tech
for marketing's stem cell products.
Without FDA approval.
- That's at the end of June
that there's FDA inspection occurs.
All of my clients received their injections after this.
The earliest received his injection.
About six weeks after the Gene Tech inspection.
There were actually reports of for patients in Houston
who had E.Coli infections following stem cells.
And when I say reports,
I mean, the doctors called Liveyon
and said we've got a problem.
We've got four patients in the hospital right now
with E.Coli from your stem cells.
That happened in on September the 17th.
They didn't even ship the stem cells
that Ron got until September the 24th.
So they knew that they had a week's worth
of knowledge that they had a serious problem in Houston.
They had people in the hospital,
and yet they're still selling this stuff.
There was no was there a feedback loop?
Yeah, there was a feedback loop.
Did it work?
Well, by got the feedback.
They just didn't act on it.
- But I believe they did say
that they had reached out to everyone
who had potentially contaminated vials
to recall it.
But apparently that didn't happen.
- They claimed to have done that.
- Right.
Right.
- [Interviewer] But then they shipped it afterwards.
- They shipped it afterwards,
they shipped it after they knew that they had a problem.
- Couldn't get a hold of the doctors.
About four days later,
I actually got ahold of one doctor,
he told me that he needed to get away.
So he was in New York at the time,
things were just too stressful in Houston for him.
And I'm here in dying in bed just want answers.
And they're nowhere to be found
- When we first started learning
about Liveyon and investigating who
was running Liveyon, it was interesting that none
of the leadership had medical degrees or even relevant PhDs
that you would expect for
someone running a stem cell company.
- [Announcer] And you want to do with this
is kinda like bringing creativity and science together.
We were able to have like cinematical.
To a very dry industry to kinda give it some life
because that's what Liveyon
is all about bringing life to people.
- [Reporter] This is the CEO of Liveyon,
John Kosolcharoen who at age 41,
had this problem with the SEC,
and at age 44,
he was arrested for healthcare fraud charged
with paying kickbacks for his work with the pharmacy.
Here he is with Brent Detelich and Jeff Hayes.
Brent Detelich shared this Facebook memory
just after Gene Tech failed its FDA inspection
and two months before Brian received his tainted
Liveyon stem cell injection
that didn't have stem cells in it,
but did have human fecal matter.
Nuff said.
- John Kosolcharoen is a businessman
who's had several brushes with the law.
His chief of medical education,
I believe is the title that Dr. Gavin has.
Dr. Gavin is not a stem cell biologist
but he's been in the field for some time.
He's actually a former podiatrist.
- He surrendered his license in 2007 after he
was just sued for malpractice.
- [Reporter] So Alan Gavin has a problem being careful.
Not a good weakness to have
working for a healthcare manufacturer.
- Interestingly, the scope of a podiatrist practice
ends at the ankle.
And this guy's passed himself off as an expert
in stem cell biology and science,
which is also true with the chiropractors
that they're marketing
to the chiropractors can't even legally
inject the stuff they have
to hire other people do it yet they pass themselves
off as experts in stem cell science.
- He walks up and he hands me a paper and says, Brian,
by the way, there's been a recall on Liveyon stem cells.
And I mean, I'm drugged up,
I've been antibiotics all day.
I'm tired, I'm hurt.
A lot of medications, he says.
So what they're willing to do is they're willing to give you
some more stem cells.
And I said, well, I don't want any more stem cells.
I would just like a refund of $18,000.
He said, well, that's the thing Brian,
Liveyon is willing to give you new stem cells,
the same 60 million that we gave you,
but they're not willing to give refunds
and that caught me that then kind of let me know
who I was dealing with.
And what was going on there.
- I've seen other similar cases too.
I've spoken with a patient in Arizona,
who was given six monthly injections
of a allergenic product there.
And as a result he contracted conditions
that were similar to lupus,
and to myelofibrosis,
which only went away
after he stopped receiving the injections.
The concern now with that patient is
that he has mad cow disease.
- It was when I found this article by Dr. Centeno,
and it was called the Amniotic Cord Bait and Switch.
And I said and I had just asked my husband,
maybe a few weeks earlier,
I can't figure out why these stem cells
aren't doing anything for us.
So we asked them, what is the name of your product?
And does it contain living stem cells?
And they said yes, it does.
And then we presented Dr. Centono's article
and they had some choice words to say about Dr. Centeno,
which were really know,
for doctors very unprofessional.
- It's been about seven days in the hospital.
Got out, and then while I was in the hospital,
they put a picc line in me.
So for four months after that
I was taking antibiotics an hour a day through my picc line.
- Some of them had to have surgery to have the
infection literally cut out of their spine.
- We were sick for months,
fighting it off.
- And be on tells the doctor if they ask you questions
about the science just change the subject.
- He said, does this product contain
actually living stem cells?
And he said, well,
it's a product that it's more
of a perception based product
than a product based in reality.
- That's what's driving all of this.
There's a huge volume of money.
- He was telling us the whole procedure.
- Exactly how they did it.
- Exactly how they did it how they did it to us.
I mean, which was like aha,
I was an aha moment if you will,
when I heard him say that, it was like,
that feeling you get when you go down a roller coaster.
And your stomach just drops.
That was the feeling.
I spent all that money.
I spent.
I led my dad down that road.
My wife, it was a hard pill to swallow.
And it just broke my heart that these people are
so eager to gain money that they don't care
about people's lives.
- There's a special place in hell for these people.
- Before all this,
I mean, I did well financially four cars,
just moved into our dream home,
had a wedding on the way ended up losing all that.
- Kristin, and I met with a former
Liveyon sales representative who,
real early in the case who said you guys need
to understand you're dealing with a smash
and grab company.
I mean, their whole MO is to get the money,
get as much money as I can and get out
of dodge before the FDA figures out what they're doing.
And that's apparently what's happening.
- Everything is about to change for Regenerative Medicine.
- [Reporter] After Liveyon's problem,
they came out with a new product called Liveyon Pure.
- [Announcer] More pure in every aspect.
- Dr. Centeno blog that it's pure all right,
so pure that testing performed at the university lab
at CSU showed it has no living stem cells.
And the scientists there,
compared it to bone marrow concentrate from 56
and 73 year old males and 55
and 64 year old females that you see
on the right,
where Liveyon Pure is on the left.
Tests at Dr. Centeno's lab got the same results.
No living stem cells,
- [Announcer] We are confident in raising the bar yet again.
Not only just for ourselves,
but for the entire industry,
keeping us all accountable
to what matters most
safety and efficacy.
- [Reporter] Shortly after this commercial,
the FDA inspected Liveyon in May 2019,
and documented deficient donor eligibility practices,
such as failing to screen donors' relevant medical records
for risk factors for communicable diseases.
Just to be clear,
communicable diseases are things like HIV, MRSA,
sexually transmitted diseases,
E. Coli, hepatitis A or B, and tuberculosis.
All this happened after their last outbreak
using Gene Tech's product.
This is for their new Liveyon Pure product.
- [Announcer] This has always been about science,
and Liveyon is in the business of better science.
The FDA inspected Liveyon in May 2019,
and found these products are regulated as drugs
and biological products to lawfully market these products,
an approved biologics license application is needed
and may be used in humans in the development stage
only when an IND application is in effect.
However, no such licenses or INDs
are in effect for Pure or Pure Pro marketed by Liveyon.
This CDC report explains how umbilical cord blood
cannot be decontaminated after collection
because there are currently no validated processes
for sterilization.
So, manufacture of derived products
must be highly controlled to prevent distribution
of contaminated products.
- We have gone from the academic into the real now okay,
and the issues with the allogeneic products
have become very, very real.
And it's not only an issue of patients being ripped off
by having received stem cell products
that don't have any themselves in it.
But at the same time the patients have paid 5,0000,
7,500, $10,000 for those injections,
which oftentimes take place at a chiropractor's office.
Now we have people being actually hurt.
And now we start seeing why we need an agency like the FDA
to be involved,
especially when we're talking about the manufacturing
and mass distributing of medical products that rely
on cellular activity,
potentially from donors who weren't eligible
to be donors for whatever reason,
- Birth tissue derived stem cells aren't the only products
that violate FDA rules.
- There have been a couple big players
that have really manipulated
the public's perception of adipose
and probably tainted all of Regenerative Medicine
in the process.
- US Stem Cell Clinics chief science officer
was Kristin Comella.
She was the face of the organization
and under her leadership,
US stem cell train 700 Physicians
and created the largest network of physicians
in regenerative medicine in the world.
The FDA then brought the case against her.
- [Reporter] And the Federal Court
issued a decision holding the US Stem Cell Clinics
and owner adulterated and misbranded stem cell products
in violation of the law.
- Does this seem to be something where the FDA
is kind of playing the arbiter?
- [Reporter] Even prior to and during the court battle,
Kristin received tremendous support
at natural medicine events in docu series
and with alternative news networks like Info Wars,
where she was defended and even promoted
as a trusted stem cell expert
even though the FDA had labeled her a bad actor.
- I am joined by Dr. Kristin Comella.
- Who is the top stem cell science Just in America,
- World renowned actually at this point stem cell expert.
- Is and she is number one on the Academy
of regenerative practices list of stem cell innovators.
- Had the pleasure of meeting her at Red Phase last year.
- I've been dosing myself with stem cells
for about three years.
I typically dose every six to 12 months.
- Dr. Kristin, what do you wanna tell our people today,
this is your voice, faith in freedom.
And they're very interested on how this works.
- So it was actually Palm Sunday,
a week before Easter that I received notice
from my attorneys that the United States of America was
interested in filing a lawsuit against me personally,
as well as the clinic and the company.
We did injections on the interior vaginal wall,
men I'm a female in her 40s you start
to have issues with lubrication,
and then you start to have issues with orgasms.
And so by introducing the stem cells that can help
to improve the blood supply there, with more blood supply,
this means better orgasms as well as better lubrication.
And so this is a very natural approach
to helping improve your sex life and I'm happy
to report that it worked
and I think my husband would report the same.
- Right, I mean its so exciting.
- Regrettably, I didn't do my due diligence
and study it more carefully.
- Hi, this is Dr. Mercola,
helping you take control of your health
and today we are joined by an expert.
Soon to be Dr. Kristin Comella.
- [Reporter] Kristin was a student
at Florida International University, FIU.
We verified with FIU
that she became a PhD candidate,
meaning she completed the coursework part of the program,
but she still needed to do the research part,
her dissertation and for her field.
That's the part that demonstrates how
to research at the professional level.
She never completed her PhD at FIU.
- I had an opportunity to transfer again
and move to a university in Panama.
Now, anyone who has followed the space will know
that a lot of the stem cell treatments
that have been done clinically,
to this day have been done outside of the United States.
- [Reporter] FIU was legit.
It has a bookstore with FIU clothing,
including hats, sweatshirts, cool alumni, mom mugs,
and it even has a bus with its name on it.
They have funky sculpture stuff, too.
It has a huge, beautiful campus.
It has all the stuff we come to expect
in a quality American University today.
Why would she leave this?
- So being able to work with a team in Panama
was truly an honor.
- [Announcer] The AVM is now departing,
please hold on to the handrail.
- [Reporter] So we decided to go to this
Panama College of cell sciences and check it out.
Panama City Definitely has it going on.
It's beautiful.
Modern, has a nice Airport has a lot of taxis
and has a fairly famous canal
that runs right through the middle of it.
The jungles have very industrious ants,
and the land is just beautiful.
However, that's not where Panama College of cell Sciences
is at, it's in a tiny remote town
called Chitra.
It's either a four hour bus ride
or a 30 minute plane ride.
To get there, you must travel to the other side
of Panama City to a very small airport.
It has a nice bubblegum machine
and vintage payphones.
It uses a tiny commercial plane.
You drop your bags in the back
and crawl over the seats like a suburban.
If you choose to sit in the front,
you have to spread your legs
to let the pilot pull his seat back to fly the plane.
There are no flight attendants there.
No bathrooms, but a great view
watching the pilots fly the plane.
When it's too bright,
the pilots put sunshades over the window
so they can see the instrument panels.
It only flies about 2,000 feet high.
So you fly right in the rain clouds,
not over them.
You get a lovely view of the landing strip as you land.
You might be wondering,
why would Kristin come here
to get training she felt she couldn't receive
in the United States in 2017.
We caught the only taxi at the airport,
an airport that only had two cars in front of it
complete with dirt road
and a stray dog bars on the windows
in an airport with no metal detector going through security,
but you can watch the daytime soap opera
while carrying a gun, bomb or anything you want
to the plane.
We really didn't see anywhere to stay.
So we went down to the hostel in Playa Venao
about an hour away on the ocean.
It was absolutely beautiful there.
But then back to tea tray.
The cab driver had a problem.
(speaks in foreign language) okay.
- [Reporter] He and the other known three taxis
in the town could not find the address that is listed
on the Panama College of cell sciences website.
The website does discourage doing any mailings there
and says to email everything however,
we were sure they actually had a real address.
The cab driver started asking everyone.
A reverse address search shows it shares the same address
but different suite number with the University of Swahili,
a university that grants PhDs primarily to people in India.
Why would the University of Swahili be in Panama?
And why would it share the same address
with Panama College of Cell Sciences?
This university of Swahili says its address
is Google verified,
and shows it slap dab in the middle of the street.
So the cab driver went to the middle of the street
and talked with the person standing there,
but the university wasn't there.
Shown on the map right next to the Google verified address,
it shows a carwash,
we found the carwash but no university, nothing.
Both of these Universities
say they are in the Azuero Business Center,
which Google brings up this site.
The site had no links, no contact,
and six months earlier,
the same site looked like this
with another building.
Those buildings don't resemble each other.
But this was the closest building to the carwash.
We made the whole trip to Panama to speak with
someone in the administrative offices and found no evidence
that either universities have a real address in
this very remote part of the world.
Let's just look at the website
for Panama College of Cell Sciences.
The college was founded by Walter Drake,
Walter Drake did not have a PhD,
when he opened Panama College of Cell Sciences.
He then opens another virtual college
out of the Commonwealth of Dominica,
called Blue Marble University,
Panama College of Cell Sciences,
became the biology graduate school
within Blue Marble University again,
He opens both colleges without a PhD.
Then suddenly, he got a PhD.
Where, from panorama College of Cell Sciences.
Yep, he got a PhD from his own school
just in case you aren't catching it.
You can't just give yourself a degree at a higher level
than the education you already have.
If this did work,
Huffman and Laughlin should have saved their money
and avoided jail time.
- [Reporter] Tonight, Hollywood's elite
accused of paying top dollar
to buy admission to a higher education
their children did not earn.
- [Reporter] They could just start their own college
in the jungles of Panama,
and give PhDs to their kids.
On the Panama College website,
it has this certificate of recognition
from California University,
saying its curriculum is equivalent to the curriculum
of the regionally and nationally accredited colleges
and universities of the United States of America.
Lots of issues here.
This website ends with a .tc.
You probably don't recognize it.
That's because it designates a country code
of the Turks and Caicos Islands.
If this is a university in LA,
why wouldn't it just have a.edu extension,
like every other real University in America?
Oh, and the website doesn't even work.
Searching California University on Google won't help either.
It brings up options for the University of California system
in California like UCLA, UC Berkeley, or UCSD.
Well, maybe that's the intention with choosing this name.
If you search for California University FCE,
then it's the first option listed.
By the way Dr. Amorsolo's do not explain anywhere
why they're putting doctor in front of their name,
nor is any education listed on their LinkedIn profile.
According to the California Department of Education,
California University FCE was opened on October 2 2011.
However, on the certificate for Panama College
of Cell Sciences,
it says here the certificate was given
on July 25 2011.
Over two months before California University FCE
was even registered according to California records.
The California Department of Education
lists California University FCE school
and mailing address as this private kindergarten here
yet California University FCE website
shows this building called University Tower
at 4199 campus drive suite 550.
Suite 550 is an Executive Office Suite
offering virtual offices.
California University says no walk in
on every address they list.
Isn't it a coincidence that they have a name
that is the reverse of the University of California,
California University.
And it's the closest business building
to the University of California,
a building called University Towers located
on campus drive,
and they use this picture
as their university building,
rather than the one registered
with the California Department of Education.
Making someone browsing through their website,
think this is a real University.
They are a founding member of the International Center
for academic evaluation,
which is invitation only.
They served as its first chair,
and almost all its members are original members.
For example, the next company listed
is Career Consulting International,
and their website,
they list in the news where they have a bunch
of videos that are not news.
But weak attempts to look like news as this classic.
Welcome to news break.
I'm Samantha Cohn in Washington DC,
where our representatives are gridlocked
about immigration reform.
One company that is moving forward
is Career Consulting International
www.thedegreepeople.com.
So here's where we stand.
We have a company called California University.
That sounds like the University of California,
using an Executive Office suite that
is conveniently right next door to the real University
of California Irvine.
They have authority to do academic evaluations
from the International Center for academic evaluation,
which is an organization they appear to help found
and served as its first chair.
With that self made authority
they evaluated Panama College's cell science curriculum,
two months before they registered themselves
with the state of California,
and found Panama College of cell science,
equivalent to US universities,
even though it was created by a guy
who didn't have a PhD,
but gave himself one from this very University,
he started and was merged in
some way by another university that he happened to found
as well called Blue Marble.
Yet the whole time the founder lives in the US,
and this is the college
that gives Kristin Comella a PhD,
who herself is listed as the number one stem cell
influencer in the world by the organization she founded and
was serving as president of when she gave
that pronouncement upon herself.
Wow.
Are you starting to feel like Kristin's PhD is fake?
So what do you think will happen
when she gives stem cells
to a non fake patient.
- Florida stem cell clinic sued after several patients
say they went blind after treatment.
- Tell them We're sorry,
and they got several million dollars so
and they were gonna go blind anyway.
- There's a such thing on social media
as manufactured links.
So one social media platform or health site or whatever,
will be sharing the others like,
Oh my gosh, we love these guys.
- Kristin is the president
of the Academy of Regenerative Practices
and she puts on a conference annually in Florida.
I was just down there in Florida a couple
of weeks ago, and was did a talk there.
- That was kinda this what some people call
a racket going on,
because they were not aware
that they were manufactured links
they thought they were just sharing out
of the kindness of their hearts.
- [Reporter] Erin Elizabeth sent this email to Paleo f(x).
- when I said to her, listen,
these women were blinded she goes well,
there's two sides to every story.
- [Reporter] If Kristin is being charged
with anything illegal,
she will be judged by far more appropriate judges than me.
- They still had her as a one of the keynote speakers
at their event.
- [Reporter] Once the FDA filed the lawsuit against Kristin,
this CEO of Paleo f(x) makes a huge judgment
and campaign for Kristin in this Facebook Live video.
- Right now she is babbling on all of our behalf.
- [Reporter] So what due diligence exists
when selecting speakers at these conferences.
- Another example was a urologist and a plastic surgeon
who partnered together in California and wanted
to treat any pathology under the sun that
included neurodegenerative diseases.
I'm not sure what qualifications a plastic surgeon
or urologist has to treat Parkinson's disease, for example,
but they were building registries to try to disguise it
as a one giant clinical study,
even though they had a network of 50 doctors
around the country and saying
that they could bypass the FDA rules because it
was under the umbrella of a clinical study.
- [Reporter] If we look down the list of physicians who
are part of cell surgical network,
we Find Dr. Tami Meraglia.
Dr. Tami practices in Seattle, Washington.
Her website says three things you should know
before you do stem cell treatments anywhere
but Seattle Stem Cell Center.
- [Tami] Were blessed to be part of a clinical trial.
And there are 8,000 cases that have been recorded
and documented and no adverse events.
- [Reporter] First, she's a member
of a US based clinical trial IRB number,
ICSS 2016 004.
That's a very official looking number.
But unfortunately, it's absolutely bogus.
Potential patients must learn how to identify
these red flags.
Because the violative clinics have become so bold
and sophisticated with their deception.
First, an IRB study is not associated in any way
with an FDA permit like an IND,
an IRB is not an IND and this IRB is dubious.
Why?
The company that granted the IRB number is the
International Cell Surgical Society,
the ICSS and according to 2019,
California records Mark Berman,
the CEO of Cell Surgical Network is also the CEO
of this company.
And his business partner Elliot lander,
is the original processor
when this ICSS organization was formed,
as you can see in the 2013 California records.
So these business partners created another company
to grant IRB numbers to themselves.
Sound familiar?
And that's why Dr. Tami lists as the number one reason
to come to her for stem cell therapy.
And if that's not enough,
here's another red flag.
Healthgrades website shows she specializes
in legal medicine.
But on Dr. Tami's website, she says this.
- Many of our patients add exosomes
to every treatment to try and supercharge the cells
that they already have.
- [Reporter] And this.
- In fact, our hair and skin treatments can be done
with just cord or just exosomes
or a combination.
Cord blood derived stem cells and exosomes are labeled
as drugs by the FDA
and must have pre market approval,
which they do not have.
So all solutions she outlines are not legal medicine.
Dr. Tami was also featured
in The Healing Miracle by the ex con duo Brent Detelich
and Jeff Hayes with narrator Sarah Sheehan.
We'll see also two pretty remarkable stories
from your personal life.
What about in your practice?
- We have patients who have MS and we're going blind
and they're no longer going blind.
- [Reporter] Now, Dr. Tami is making her own docu series
on stem cells.
- Dr. Tami invited me to be at her upcoming docu series
on stem cells, and I did some due diligence.
- [Reporter] He sent her this email.
I found your CV online,
but it didn't list where you went to medical school.
Also, you outlined on your intro video that you
are double board certified
- And a double board certified MD.
- [Reporter] She appears to introduce herself
nearly everywhere as a double board certified MD.
- I'm a double board certified MD.
- [Reporter] Dr. Tami replied to his email saying she went
to a school in the Caribbean
and regarding the double board certification.
She said my board certifications
are not recognized by the AMA.
- But then I declined her invitation.
- [Reporter] Patients today need to know
that violators adulterate the valid IRB study process
by creating their own companies
to grant themselves the IRB study number
and then they use that number as a marketing ploy
to deceive the public by making it appear
they have something official.
They often exaggerate their credentials
and then they seduce the natural medicine industry
and adulterate the docu series platform
with their fake docu series that are really infomercials
in a shameless effort to promote themselves
in a further effort to create legitimacy,
when in fact, they are FDA violators.
- So we would send patients to surgery,
surgeon would say, Hey, I'm done.
We fix this.
Structurally it looks good now the MRI looks good
or the X ray looks good.
But at the end of the day,
it really wouldn't be fixed.
- In my career,
I ran benefit plans for three very large corporations
I manage Walmart stores a benefit plans for
about 15 years,
in certain ways in America,
we're experiencing an epidemic of misdiagnosis.
When I give a speech, I tell people pick up your smartphone
and Google in the term epidemic of misdiagnosis
and you gotta be, they're stunned
when they see what pours out.
One of the things we do an Edison Healthcare
is we take patients who've been told
to have a spine surgery,
and we send them to centers
that do an outstanding job of diagnosing people.
About 60% of the people we send to these centers
who've been told that spine surgery have been misdiagnosed
and don't need a spine surgery.
- [Reporter] Walmart saved $30,000
by seeking a second opinion at Geisinger where it
was revealed that the mild neck pain wouldn't improve
with spine surgery because the employee
actually had Parkinson's disease.
- One of the shocking statistics is that we realized
that for patients who have certain types
of musculoskeletal surgeries,
more than 50% of them
either did not receive a favorable outcome
or the procedure was inappropriate
and not medically necessary to begin with.
- I started as a surgeon,
but I was also had a PhD.
And was trained in research.
- [Reporter] This is the C. Wayne Mcllwraith
Translational Medicine Center,
named after the founding director of the
Orthopedic Research Center at Colorado State University,
Dr. C. Wayne Mcllwraith.
- There was an internship in large animal surgery.
And that was when I knew what I wanted
to do for the rest of my life.
I wanted to be involved in equine surgery and I
was particularly interested in equine orthopedics.
Because at that time, there was no MRI.
And people would base their diagnosis on symptoms.
And then often they'd say, well,
you've got medial knee pain, therefore,
we'll do an arthrotomy
and take your meniscus out.
And your meniscus wasn't always the problem.
So the thing with diagnostic arthroscopy
it revolutionized diagnosis,
because you could go in and ascertain do you
indeed have a meniscal tear?
Or do you have something else?
And then, when I got so far
with arthroscopic surgery,
as we've talked briefly about,
then you find your limitations.
And as they did in humans as well,
- For those of us who are clinician scientists,
you're motivated by frustration.
I mean, I hate to say it that way,
but that's what it is.
There's a question in the clinic,
you just can't answer.
You can't fix a horse or person or whatever it is.
- A big part of my caseload or resources.
And the phrase horses don't come back and win
in the same class that they were before injury.
That's a relative failure.
Just like the NFL player that can't come back
and play at the same level is a failure,
at least to the to the team management.
And so there's a lot of pressure for us
to get the optimal repair.
- I arrived back here in 92.
Dave Frisbie arrived in 93.
Three of us worked on all these projects is interesting
when we started doing the basic research around stem cells.
It's like, hey,
this could be really good.
- I'd been working with one particular client
and his name is Steve Grove,
and he happened to be the founder of Applebee's and...
Star was a perfect candidate.
She had one of the worst meniscal
injuries I've yet to see in my career.
And we treated her with stem cells after surgery
and she came back in six months and was sound.
- You have enough of those cases.
If it's a one off,
or two or three, you're like, Okay,
it's probably just a law of averages.
But when you start having dozens
of them returned significantly better
than they had before.
That is an aha moment.
It's not sometimes just the single case,
or the one off that you see
that you're impressed by its the data,
and critically evaluating the data,
both clinical data,
research data and saying, look,
we've really got something here that we need
to go forward with.
- About that same time a paper came out,
I was big and keeping up with the medical literature.
I read an article about rabbits
where they created a degenerative disc.
And then they went ahead and injected stem cells
into that disc,
and the disc kind of magically regrew.
So this was the first article I've ever seen
that talked about regeneration in an area
of the body I was working with every day.
So I just googled who was doing this around me,
and that's how I got in touch
with John Kizzade who was a researcher at the CSU
Orthopedic Research Center.
And basically equine athletes race horses,
they were doing peripheral joints, we're shooting spine.
So I basically just cold call them.
So I went up there, we met,
and I got a chance to kind of pitch an idea that I had
that we should take this from an equine
or horse model into a human model.
Now they didn't do anything in spine,
there was no horse veterinary spine care,
it was all joints.
So we decided to do both joints and spine
and then move from there.
Now to do that we needed an institutional review board.
And we also needed to check what the FDA regulations were.
I sent an email out saying hey,
we're thinking of doing this in patients.
What are the regulations?
Is this a drug, not a drug.
And what was really fascinating to me
is a couple days later,
I got back an email that
was the most confused thing I've ever read.
Basically, the person that sent it back and
included the entire email chain on there,
and so I got to start roll through this thing
and it bounced from department to department
to department to department.
And it seemed like there was a little consensus
within the FDA as to whether
or not what we wanted to do,
which was to take the patient's stem cells,
grow them to bigger numbers and put them back in
was a drug or a medical procedure.
So at that point,
I said, I'm not gonna get my answer with FDA,
I'm going to need to hire some regulatory attorneys
to vet all of this.
- Dr. Centeno.
And my firm we began working together to address the issue.
- [Chris] They actually put together and
sourced a couple different opinions.
At the time,
their opinion was this was all a medical procedure.
- So the tissue that's being used is taken
from the patient and put back into the patient,
- Its the patient's own cells.
And we were taking those cells and growing those cells
to bigger numbers
and putting them back into the same patient.
So that was not a drug
that did not need FDA approval.
So this was an interesting moment in my life
because I had gotten off the hamster wheel,
I'd sold my practice.
And I got a chance to do this two year study.
And this two year study and 50 patients,
I didn't need to charge the patients.
So I didn't.
And there were no textbooks.
There was nothing you could really read.
Because outside of a few things done in Paris, France
by Phillippe Hernigou and his group,
there was no one who had done anything like this.
- My first patient was in 1987.
It was a patient with iposonic crozes
and she's patient up to this moment is perfect.
She, she has not (speaks in foreign language)
and she is pain free, at this moment,
we have treated more than 4,000 patients
with bone marrow aspiration,
- Really that MRI evidence stuff is what got me excited
because it's one thing for the patient
to say they're feeling better,
they can do more,
but then it's another to see something like
that objectively on an MRI.
We know as physicians, this is working,
we published some early papers.
Let's go ahead and start offering this to patients.
- In 2008, Dr. Centeno had a website up
for regenerative sciences.
- And within six months of doing that,
we ended up getting a letter
from FDA certified letter.
But it basically said, hey,
we think you might be doing something that is akin
to creating a drug.
And if you do you need FDA approval.
But we're not taking a position on that yet.
- We file suit against the FDA.
- But every time we took that to a judge,
the judge would come back and say the case isn't right.
And what that means in legal terms, is that, hey,
the FDA is taking no position here
until they take a formal position
that what you're doing is wrong
or against the regulations,
you can't challenge them in court.
- At the highest level, it's established,
at least by the federal courts in Washington DC,
that FDA has the jurisdiction to regulate
these types of procedures, even when, again,
it's an autologous procedure.
So the tissue that's being used is taken
from the patient and put back into the patient.
- The FDA's only issue
was that we were culturing the cells
to get more cells,
if we just took the cells out
and isolated the stem cell fraction and put them back in
they didn't have a problem with that.
- [Reporter] So we see here that the FDA is okay
with you using your own stem cells
from your own bone marrow to treat orthopedic conditions
as part of the physician's practice of medicine.
However, the FDA will not allow a physician
to culture expand cells.
- And ultimately as a result of the case
We have the benefit of a stipulation
that allows regenerative sciences
to go forward with certain procedures
in the United States procedures not
involving culture expansion,
but procedures that are still in use today and
that have been audited on multiple times by FDA
procedures that involve simply the concentration
of the bone marrow,
and then the use of that concentrated bone marrow,
which is rich in stem cells
into the patient for orthopedic purposes.
- So why does it work?
It stimulates the body's reparative process,
there is an innate ability to heal.
So a really easy analogy for me
is if you cut yourself, right,
you bleed and you clot and you just expect it
to heal because that's the natural process, right?
It's it's gonna heal.
Why does that happen?
'Cause there's a really rich blood supply.
And so when you're injured, those cells, those platelets,
they aggregate to the area, they clot,
they break down and they send out messages
hey body were injured,
send stem cells and reparative cells come in here,
clean the mess, let's rebuild the tissue,
certain tissues and the ones that you hear
that patients have surgeries for,
like labrum, and meniscus and discs, and joints, cartilage,
those are inherently poorly vascularized
they have a bad blood supply inherently,
as we age that blood supply becomes even worse
and we live life we fight gravity
and tissue breaks down and so then we need that
to heal and it doesn't it does just doesn't have
the capacity.
And so we have had the our paradigm has been
treat the symptoms
so make it feel better,
douse it with anti inflammatory or steroids or narcotics,
take away the pain, hide it, mask it,
and then when it's bad enough,
cut it out.
Right, or put a screw across it.
And so what we're realizing is
this really elegant system that the body has
that we're just activating it.
- We did a double blind randomized
controlled trial of intradiscal,
platelet rich plasma.
And we published that a few years ago,
and it showed a statistically significant improvement
in outcome and functional improvement.
And we just went through our five
to nine year outcome.
Study data from the original double blind study
and it shows 70% success with one injection
for average of six years.
- And as I think you've already learned
there's a big variation between valid biologic therapies
and non valid,
and like the use of the term stem cells has become abused.
- If this field is ever going to be real,
we have to get rid of those bad actors.
- And that's why you've got to have places
to protect honesty or develop honesty.
And so that Interventional Orthopedic Foundation,
which is where I met you, that meeting,
and I'm on the board.
- So I went through the fellowship with Dr. Centeno,
he's one of the reasons why I came out here
because of the high level of training that you get,
we don't really get that anywhere
in the United States,
where you can get great spine and joint training.
So Doc Centeno really founded that with the clinic
and then he kinda expanded that
to be available to all the physicians in the US and abroad.
With the Iowa.
- It's an important group to turn around and not
only prove efficacy,
but also encourage research
that defines what's the most effective treatment.
- I'm the head team physician for the Atlanta Hawks.
I also am a team doctor for the Atlanta Braves.
My concern is that from a government
and a regulatory point of view,
they're not gonna, at some point,
they're either not gonna be able to,
or they're not gonna want to distinguish the good actors
from the bad actors.
And they're gonna throw the baby out with the bathwater,
so to speak.
- So you need an organization to kinda sift through
this in a scientific manner,
to create standards and guidelines to create a method
that the mainstream medical profession would appreciate.
- Like, I think I'm a pretty darn good doctor, right.
But when I'm given all of this information,
it's really difficult.
- Different products that confuses the general public
and in fact,
confuses most of the mainstream medical professionals.
- It's taken a year so I've been doing this for 10 years.
And I'm still not, I don't consider myself
a cell expert at all.
- I think I was an early adopter of some
of our earliest trials of orthobiologics, PRP and such,
as well as using ultrasound,
which is not standard for orthopedic surgeons.
- Education is the name of the game.
It's about learning.
It's about getting better.
- $200,000 worth of equipment in here
you can see we always have the image broadcast
on the TV because it's important for the patient
to know what we're doing.
We don't do any blind injections,
we know that the efficacy of blind injections is only
about 50 to 60%.
When you add an image guided injection,
you can get the efficacy up to 100%.
- Going to the Mecca and seeing exactly where all
this stuff is being done and how it
was being done.
Just made me think this
is exactly what I should be doing
exactly what I should be doing.
- We pay about $80 million a year
for health coverage for our employees.
And almost every medical plan in the country
is under extreme stress.
Because of the rapid escalation
in costs across the board.
I took over as CEO on July one of 2007.
Over the last decade,
our compound annual growth in the cost
of running the plan is about four
and a half percent.
And that is less than half
of the national average through the leader
of our benefit activity.
I became aware of research
that was being done by Dr. Centeno and really asked for us
to take a deep dive into that,
and see if it might be
something applicable for our employees.
We made the procedure available
as an option under our medical plan,
not a requirement, just an option.
And we began to track the results.
The procedures were successful financially,
it is a big win for the medical plan.
Four years in roughly 80 employees have had some procedure
or another and all were successful except for one to date,
the regenix cost of these procedures.
Plus all of the follow on physical therapy claims
is roughly $425,000.
The surgical costs that were avoided
is roughly $1.6 million.
There are two broad categories of stem cells, the legal camp
and the non legal within the subset of non legal,
there are bad actors,
felons and fraudsters and most importantly,
patients who have been seriously harmed.
The bad actors in this field tend to cluster on
these illegal procedures.
- [Reporter] Today, the legitimate is being drowned out
by a tsunami of frauds, ex cons,
scammers and FDA labeled bad actors.
To really understand how this happened.
We need to understand the role that
social media promoters play.
One of the largest stem cell promoters
in the natural medicine industry is Dan Pompa.
Stem cells are the future of medicine, changed my world.
A former chiropractor who mirrors many
of the same sales strategies.
As the former TV evangelist Jim and Tammy Bakker.
- Hi Tammy Faye. - Hi Tim Bakker.
- [Reporter] You may remember Jim Bakker.
♪ Praise the Lord ♪
- [Reporter] He was a master at selling to and raising money
from the evangelical audience.
- You get up to a million dollars of benefits
for a gift to $3,000.
- [Reporter] But he stole from his ministry
became a felon for stealing,
but made this interesting comeback.
- And its about time you all pray for discernment.
- [Reporter] Today, Jim Bakker blends a ministry
with selling an array of health care products
by building trust with his evangelical audience
using references to God and politics.
- Because who you vote for,
and who are you don't vote for or what you're doing,
it's life and death right now.
- [Congregant] Amen. - In this country.
- [Reporter] In 2008,
Dan Pompa caught the attention
of a religion student at the University of Pittsburgh
- Tomorrow I graduated with my PhD in religious studies
from the University of Pittsburgh,
- [Reporter] Susie Meister's mom told her I can't eat that
because it isn't God food,
referring to a plan developed by her mom's chiropractor
Dan Pompa.
- The healing guide consists of no grains and no sugar.
- [Reporter] Susie studied Dan Pompa's
evangelical sales approach, and he was the focus
of her 60 page master's thesis,
Work of the Lord, an Ethnographic Case Study
of an Evangelical Entrepreneur.
Her papers cited how Dan would use Christian rhetoric
to sell his services,
legitimize his practice,
and establish a trusting relationship with his patient.
- The true cellular detox is something and again,
I really believe this is a revelation for me.
- And God always confirms to me
that He's raising up a group
to answer the calling at hand.
- [Reporter] Pompa successfully markets
his secular services,
by using the evangelical brand.
- God gives you these words,
man, and she just comes at you hard and heavy.
That could still happen, so stick to it.
- I've been doing a lot of praying though,
obviously for myself and our family
and for other people, too,
including all of you.
- Prayed for you this morning, we did.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- And it was ironic because my wife and I were
in the room and I just got done praying
right before I came down here.
I'm not the only world changer and again, chosen,
through from pain to purpose from God.
I'm here with Merily, my wife,
- [Reporter] Merily's cousin had a request.
- She said, if anything ever happened to us,
would you take the kids?
And of course you say, yeah, of course.
- [Reporter] It was the day after Christmas in 2003,
around 8:50am, Les Young shot his wife Lisa in the kitchen
several times with a 22 revolver,
and then walked into his living room
and shot himself.
- Two seven year olds.
Were in the house boy and a girl
or they're my children today.
These three boys,
Daniel was originally our oldest right here, Daniel, Isaac,
put up your hand Isaac,
and then Simon.
These are our three natural children.
And then we adopted Dylan and Olivia.
This is Olivia.
And that's Dylan over there. - [Merily] And they're twins.
- Yeah.
- [Reporter] They had a will.
The kids weren't to have full access
to the funds until age 30.
They were seven when the Pompa's became the fiduciary
of the trust.
- [Reporter] They're being charged now
for misusing the kids $1 million Trust Fund to pay for homes
and other luxury items.
- When headlines read chiropractor steals from orphans.
Oh yeah, one of those orphans is my daughter who Olivia,
who you'll get to meet
who just finished her first quarter
of chiropractic school.
Yeah, ask her.
Ask her how if those headlines were accurate.
- [Reporter] Let's see if the newspaper headlines
were accurate.
The DA's is office sent the actual affidavit
which itemizes month by month exactly
how the Pompa's has spent the orphans Trust Fund
from 2004 through 2009.
For example, in the month of February 2005.
They took $77,000 from the victims trust account,
over $56,000 of that money,
went to Merily Pompa that month.
This may remind you of another movie,
a fairy tale that's been adapted for film over and over
and over
and over again,
where a stepmother and the kids live off an orphans money.
- [Cinderella] Yes step mother.
- Oh you can't call me that, madam will do.
- [Reporter] Or a Victor Hugo's Les Miserables.
And how one couple milk Fantine for all that she was worth.
The affidavit shows how the Pompa's removed
over $2 million from the trust,
leaving just $80,000 for the victim orphans,
who were then only 13 years old.
- There was a cost to taking those kids on.
- [Reporter] The affidavit reports how the informant
who we understand to be the victims grandmother,
overheard the Pompa's discussing bankruptcy.
And that was the event that set the investigation in motion.
- All types of things were brought against us
battles in the courts.
- [Reporter] Pompa's did follow through
with their planed bankruptcy.
- We lost everything.
- [Reporter] Pled guilty to the charges,
got a 16 year probation sentence,
but the papers report they only had
to pay back $1.4 million.
If you were the Pompa's, where do you suddenly
make $1.4 million?
To put it back in the trust?
- Dr. Pompa's got another guest that he's going to introduce
and he's gonna bring on stage.
Brent Detelich.
He's gonna talk about the next big thing in stem cells.
I can't do it justice, so Dr. Pompa,
you wanna come on up,
everybody stand up,
give Dr. Pompa and Brent a round of applause.
(congregants applauding)
- All right, y'all love it.
Yeah, you're gonna want to stand for this.
This next speaker is a good friend of mine,
who is bringing is stem cells to all of our
offices and we just had to do it.
We have the best product of exosomes on the market
that our doctors are going to be implementing.
And you're welcome to as well.
- But you will see so many people out there
who are unfortunately promoting products
and not disclosing that fact.
And they may even have a summit a docu series,
a podcast where you think it's news.
- Very, very, very important lecture right here.
So Brent, thank you for being here and your team,
appreciate it. - [Reporter] Yep,
that's the ex con and former chiropractor Brent Detelich.
Brent already spoke to the existing platinums.
- I got to spend time with the platnum already this morning.
- [Reporter] This Platinum membership and dance group costs
about $76,000 every couple years.
That's a lot of money considering how both of
these ex cons failed to mention to the audience
how the FDA says it's illegal
to treat your patients with exosomes in America.
But anyone in the audience could have just googled
the speaker's name Brent Detelich
and saw healthcare fraud conviction
in the top three hits.
What more could you expect when going to a conference
where both host and speaker
are ex cons for stealing?
- That's a great example of how crazy things
are out there.
So we first have this video.
This is Ben Greenfield.
Now this rocket scientist allowed somebody
to inject stem cells into his penis a while back,
which I blogged on which is insane.
Because we have not a clue what that would do.
He claimed that it made him physically bigger,
which doesn't even make common sense.
He's been treated with getting
a full body stem cell makeover with exosomes.
It is absolutely positively an illegal drug product.
It's made by culturing stem cells.
Obviously, we figured out a decade ago
that culturing stem cells was not legal,
but this company is floating the risk.
Now we have this doctor who's doing this
is Harry Adelson.
And Harry Adelson's actually a naturopath,
he's actually was trained by real spine interventionalist.
But as a naturopath,
he's not allowed to do any of these procedures
that you're seeing here,
he's not even allowed to operate the X ray machine.
These are the facet joints into the neck.
So to get into any one of these facet joints,
you'd have to come in at oblique angle like this,
actually enter the joint,
inject a small amount of contrast in each joint
to make sure you're in the joint,
and then follow that
with the bone marrow stem cells.
And that's not what's happening here.
What Harry Adelson is doing
is just placing the needle somewhere
in the vicinity of the joint on the X ray
and then the likelihood that he's in all
of those joints is slim to none and Slim's
on vacation in Texas.
So then you see,
Harry place all these needles on the right side,
and then he just takes the needles and moves them
to the left, same needles,
which is completely inappropriate
from a sterile technique standpoint,
because you're injecting a deep structure
so he would have to replace all of these needles.
But he just uses videos from the right on
on to the left, again, inappropriate, sterile technique.
But this is a naturopath.
What does he really know about all of this stuff?
The answer is he doesn't know much.
- [Erin] Some of the big names in our industry
promoted Harry Adelson.
And in fact, I got emails on the same day
from two different guys that are doctors
or calling themselves doctors
on the exact same day,
promoting Harry Adelson right before he had a huge webinar.
The lab that we use is they take
placental stem cells,
which are these very young robust stem cells.
They forced them to manufacture and excrete
these vesicles filled with growth factors that
are called exosomes.
- And today, we have a very interesting conversation
about a topic many people are interested in,
which is stem cells
and something you may never heard about,
which is exosomes.
- I use PRP cells from fat and exosomes.
- Excited to try thank you for offering this to me.
This is really the future of healthcare
is regenerative medicine.
It's what functional medicine is all about.
- I don't know what their business relationship is with him,
but it sure is at least suspic'.
- [Reporter] On Dr. Mark Hyman's promotion
of Dr. Harry Adelson and Dr. Killin
and their use of exosomes,
he makes sure you understand he's the director
of the Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine.
Is he implying that the Cleveland Clinic
endorses Harry Adelson breaking the law
injecting exosomes into Mark Hyman?
Dr. Hyman also promoted Brent Detelich,
and Jeff Hayes's infomercial,
The Healing Miracle.
- Mark pharmaceuticals is not really well loved
by our industry.
But if Mark tomorrow came out
with an FDA approved amniotic fluid,
or exosome product,
you know that these folks would not be promoting it,
because they wouldn't get paid.
So it's really not about them making
these stem cell movies which I refuse to promote.
It's about them making money.
- [Matt] I actually have a distributorship.
And so I actually represent full disclosure chimera
and they have the best exosome product
on the market by far.
- Dr. Mercola had wanted me to see Dr. Cook
he lined me up with his office seems like a nice guy
and I was going to do exosomes amongst a few other things.
And then I wanted
to see if the company they were getting the exosomes
from had their IND.
- we started asking questions about them.
- And they said yes, Direct Biologics has their IND.
- He provided answers that suggested that this
was an approved therapy.
- [Reporter] The FDA says patients
considering treatment with exosome products should
ask their clinician for the FDA issued
Investigational New Drug application number called the IND.
- I wanted to see a face sheet on it
with the FDA on it to show that.
- [Reporter] And the chance to review the FDA communication
acknowledging the IND.
- We were on the phone with Matt Cook, Dr. Cook,
and he explained that look,
they don't have an IND.
This is Just a little bit of a gray area.
- [Reporter] An IND is required because the FDA
says exosomes are drugs regulated under Section 351.
- So it began in this natural health industry
where people would promote healthy products,
diet lifestyle, healthy safe supplements
that weren't killing anyone.
But now they have started promoting drugs
and making entire documentaries or infomercials
about these drugs.
Then they're not safe, and they're not effective.
But what we really need to ask ourselves
is how this happened.
And to understand that we need to know how documentary
or documentary series and summits work.
So how it started is with the summit's
and they would bring in bloggers, influencers,
top public figures, authors,
best selling authors,
and bring them in and interview them
and then have them promote it to their audience
or their lists, so to speak,
or their social media platforms.
People can watch it for free.
If its a nine day docu series or summit,
they can watch all nine days for free,
and then afterward it's available for purchase.
And in most cases,
they will give all the influencers,
about 50% of the money of the people
who signed up under them
who may purchase it.
I shared my reports, and on a lot of the reports,
they would show the people who were in the
top 10 or top 20.
And there may be 400 to 1,000,
or something that we're promoting
these particular docu series.
And they would show the people
that were getting the most signups is usually
how it started out because
only later would people buy it after it ended,
they would wanna watch it for free.
And there would be one through 10 they usually show
the top 10 or 20 and have little contests
trying to get people
to do better of these influencers.
And they would send those to us like
on a daily basis during the time
that we were supposed to be promoting it.
They send out emails
and they even would tell us what to say.
- [Reporter] In January 2020,
Revealed Films revealed to Aaron Elizabeth
that it paid out nearly $1 million
in affiliate commissions in 2019 alone.
At no point are the violators disclosing to the viewer
that they are getting a sales pitch.
The audience believes it is getting unbiased health news.
- But unfortunately now some are just pure infomercials
promoting things where money is being given under the table
- Doctors Centeno feels responsible for the mess
that the stem cell industry has become.
And we feel a sense of responsibility for the mess
in the docu series industry.
We are the pioneers of the online health docu series,
and we actually had the term trademarks for a few years.
We started back in 2014
with a Quest for the Cures,
and then we followed that up with a Truth About Cancer,
a Global Quest.
- In the beginning that were great docu series
documentary series,
some of my friends made them.
- Our films aren't infomercials
like many groups are pushing today.
We've always provided free access
and never gave long product pitches.
Our films are just truthful information
based on decades of research,
which began after we lost seven close family members due
to a lack of knowledge.
It's our mission to simply save lives now.
- They spent hours or weeks and months and years editing
these to perfect them.
- It was legitimate.
- But then unfortunately,
people took that idea that they coined and started...
- Then the bad apples
and the snake oil salespeople arrived
and they've really adulterated the docu series platform
that have given our industry a bad names sadly.
Most of them have no scruples and no integrity.
- And there is a problem in our industry
that are promoting these summits or docu series
on like stem cells
that I refuse to ever promote because of ethics.
- [Reporter] Horrified researchers
wanted out of Sara Sheehan's docu series
when it came out
that Mark Berman partially funded it.
Both Mark Barman and Kristin Comella got screen time.
Both are labeled as bad actors by the FDA.
Both networks have caused blindness yet look at the focus
of the trailer.
- You know we're over 9,000 patients now the risks
that we have are virtually nil.
- To get the stem cells.
What is the worst that could happen?
- The body serves them away and ignores it.
- So no harm.
- After your stem cell treatment.
Were there any side effects?
- There were no negative side effects.
- [Reporter] It included Mark Hyman and Harry Adelson.
- And what's shocking is there are films then promoting
these exosome procedures.
- So this is a Pure Revealed films interview
with myself and Jeff Hayes.
- [Reporter] In the summer of 2019.
We saw another stem cell docu series that went out
of its way to promote exosomes
called Pain Revealed by Patrick Gentempo
and the ex con Jeff Hayes,
it profiled the Chief Science Officer
of Direct Biologics
that Manufactures exosomes.
- But even the Chief Science Officer of the company
in the movie where they're promoting, it says,
we haven't done any studies.
We have done no studies on this,
we feel that we are this 361 HTTP.
But the FDA could come in and say, no,
I think you guys are 351.
And you need to do these IND studies.
And so we are actually ahead of the game.
We have the studies all geared up to go.
- If you're a manufacturer out there breaking the law,
as evidenced in these stem cell documentaries.
- Now, I mean, I always say that, look,
my authority doesn't lie in my education.
My authority actually lies in my story.
- But how do we know these guys aren't gonna be cutting
other corners as well and putting people in jeopardy?
- [Reporters] After people required hospitalization,
the FDA made this public service announcement
that it received multiple reports
of patients having serious adverse events
from unapproved products marketed
as containing exosomes and warned
that currently there are no FDA approved exosome products.
- We just don't wanna claim ourselves
as a drug before the FDA comes in
and says it so, we're keeping it
as a minimally manipulated sell factor.
- It is not legal and some doctors
will deceive their patients.
- [Reporter] Clinics and manufacturers may claim
these products do not fall
under the regulatory provisions for drugs.
That is simply untrue.
- These exosomes are derived from cells and culture.
Culturing cells is a problem we found out about
that the hard way,
way back when it was decided
that we couldn't culture cells.
So now we've got companies who are actually culturing cells,
which is illegal to get exosomes
and selling those exosomes.
So again, that's not going to fly
from a regulatory standpoint.
- What we're doing is we're growing the cells up
and we're collecting the growth factors
and the exosomes from those cells and isolating those
without the cells,
then that's a different, right?
We're providing therapy that's derived
from stem cells, and so there's a difference,
I guess there's a stem cell therapy
and stem cell derived therapy.
And I think that's the correct term would be
we're doing a stem cell derived therapy.
- [Reporter] How many of these patients got sick because
of the fake news spread in these infomercials
and by the influencers?
- How many of you did see The Healing Miracle, the truth
about stem cells?
Raise your hand.
Okay, so that's something that myself
and my partner, Dr. Steve funded, and when we did that
with Jeff Hayes,
and I put together all the people that you saw on there,
and we interviewed him and that took us
about three months full time.
And we're now working on a new one with
Dr. Patrick Gentempo, how many of who that is?
And Yep, and what to expect 10 times the viewership.
- My partner and Revealed Films co founder,
Jeff Hayes and I were in Florida
and we actually had procedures done on ourselves,
while we were there.
We interviewed a lot of the developers
and experts on exosomes,
and it was the first time I saw you light up and go, okay.
I'll get those.
- Here's the deal.
The bad ones especially won't promote anything in this
industry unless they make money.
- So this company that we're gonna talk about
.is called Direct Biologics
- So direct biologics is where you're working now.
- Yes.
- And your role there?
- So I'm the Chief Scientific Officer,
and I'm involved with scaling up the production
of the exosomes and the growth factors.
- So that's what we do on our clinics,
and we do that nationwide 600 clinics or more,
and we get phenomenal results.
We have not done exosomes in our company yet.
We released it last week.
- In many of my conversations,
exosomes seem to be the most exciting topic
that most people who are experts like yourself seem
to be interested in, why is that?
- And so all those patients come
to our call center we get last month 1,000 patients
that wanted to get treatment.
So that's what we do.
- [Reporter] And here's how they did it.
This email was sent to promote
The Healing Miracle infomercial
that they called a docu series to social media
influencers by Manny Goldman.
Manny was a co producer for one of the
industry's first docu series,
and Jeff Hayes and Brent Detelich got him
to promote their infomercial using
this established network.
They also created this Facebook group,
and made it look like it was generic,
objective information about stem cells with a number
of administrators like Theresa and Brent.
But it turns out, it was just fake news.
When someone posted for help,
Theresa would reply with this referral link
to find a provider which if you click through,
it takes you here, a different website
for the Healing Miracle and Dr. Centeno
completed it like he was a patient and received
this email from Theresa.
Yep, the same who is one of the administrators
for the supposedly generic Facebook page.
If you look up another administrator Brent,
he lists that he's a co owner of the Healing Miracle.
When Dr. Centeno thought this lack of disclosure
was a problem.
Theresa said she would have the owner
of the page call him and the person who called
was Manny Goldman,
the same who sent out the original promotion
of the Healing Miracle to the social media influencers.
- So that's what we do.
- So here we are.
Dr. Centeno is trying to clean up his industry and we
are trying to clean up ours.
- We wanna be very transparent.
We have nothing to do with any of these men
- In their latest money making endeavor,
Hayes, Gentempo and Goldman have teamed up
and formed a company named TATC,
in an apparent attempt to fool people into thinking that we,
TTAC are somehow involved because people actually trust us.
Their logo actually looks very similar to our TTC logo
with similar font and they even mimicked
the three bullet points at the bottom of the logo.
- We're getting to a point where we just don't know
who we could trust.
- Well we wanna talk about today is exosomes
big buzzword in the industry, right?
Exosomes, this exosomes that.
But the concept is that you're putting something
into activate your own system
because that's what this stuff is spitting out.
Activate your own system to heal and to repair.
Whether it does that, it's still to be known,
we don't know.
- That's probably why you are working
on developing a product.
- Correct. - To see if we can
bring to line bring online at Liveyon.
- A stem cell barks orders out at other cells.
And those orders come in the form of these exosomes
these things that the stem cell throws off.
However, those orders are specific to the context.
Meaning that the stem cell might say, hey,
I need a macrophage,
which is a cleanup cell to come in here.
Well, that's a specific order only
to be given a specific time.
So if you throw those orders in
when the macrophages aren't needed,
which is what they're doing with
these exosome type therapies,
that's not gonna work.
- If a company takes them into a lab
and produces exosomes from donors,
then that is, in fact,
considered by the FDA to be a drug.
And therefore it should go through a pre market application.
And you shouldn't be able to see those for seven
or eight years if they're following the rules for drugs.
- When he told me that I did not get live stem cells
and he wanted to do a reinjection
of the Utah cord blood product.
- [Reporter] Dr. Centeno blogged In April 2019,
about testing you Utah Cord Bank's
umbilical cord stem cell product called Stem Vive,
and says they found no living stem cells.
Earlier, Utah Cord Bank along with so many other
amniotic manufacturers, boasted how their product was
independently lab tested by DaVinci Biosciences
that showed it had stem cells.
But who is DaVinci?
This week a group of abortion rights opponents
released a hidden camera video.
- So the video was secretly recorded
by the anti abortion group as part of a two and a half year
sting operation.
- Showing Planned Parenthood
admitting even celebrating its practice
of harvesting the organs of aborted fetuses for money.
- They pretended to be a company
that procures fetal tissue from abortion clinics
and gets it to researchers.
- [Buyer] But so Deborah has said
that you guys are working with a private biotech company.
- [Seller] Yeah, its DaVinci.
- This law suit is the first to be filed.
With respect to this particular subject matter.
We're simply charging these defendants
with illegally selling hundreds
of fetal tissue products for profit.
It's against the law to intentionally sell human body parts
for profit, including fetal tissue donations
obtained from abortions.
- [Reporter] The complaint builds its case
around the actions of the VP of research.
A Rafael Gonzalez PhD, he received his PhD
from the University of California, Irvine.
- Fetal products were routinely sold at tenfold
or higher markup over their costs.
- [Reporter] One example in the complaint shows
how Rafael Gonzalez said there was no competition
for this product.
The cost was only in the range of $40 a vial
and thus he recommended they raise the price.
The VP of Sales agreed, noting.
- [Rafael] A 1,000% gross does not seem unreasonable
based on infrastructure
and the lack of competition.
- [Reporter] They set the price to $450 a vial.
- Now so just be clear Planned Parenthood they're still
insisting its clinics did nothing wrong.
- Our evidence indicates no money was never exchanged
between these companies and Planned Parenthood.
- Rafael Gonzalez is the first name you see on the
independent lab analysis
for the stem cell products for Liveyon,
He also appears as a regular guest on Liveyon's podcast.
Another interesting coincidence
is how Liveyon's current address is the exact same
as DaVinci's former address.
But that's not all.
- This is a three part series that I'm doing.
- [Reporter] Dan Pompa makes multiple videos
promoting Rafael Gonzalez.
- The first interview which you're about to hear,
is I interviewed a scientist Rafael Gonzalez.
- I'm in one of the top stem cell clinics in the world
with some of the top researchers and fact,
I just interviewed Dr. Rafael on a Cellular Healing TV.
Look out for that, some of the stem cells
that they're doing there,
I mean, unbelievable. I seek the best.
That's definitely the only thing I'm gonna use for me.
- [Reporter] Yes.
Dan Pompa recommends abortion profiteer Rafael Gonzalez
to his evangelical audience.
But he never mentions Rafael's role
of selling aborted fetal body parts for a 1,000% profit.
- A lot of bad stuff.
There really is.
Yes, there is, I agree 100%.
- But there's a lot of amazing stuff going on.
- Amazing stuff, right.
- And that's why I came here.
So welcome to Cell TV.
- You'll see these people calling themselves journalists
or doing podcasts where each and every one people trust them
that they're bringing the news,
when in fact they haven't disclosed they're getting paid
just to promote a product.
Their podcasts are nothing more than infomercials.
- [Reporter] And goes to great effort
to make sure you click the link below the video.
- I'll have your team have put in there for the cell TV,
they put a link for Dr. Pampa.
And what you get with that with this clinic
is you get a free evaluation.
I will put the link in as a matter
of fact your clinic called Re Health.
- [Rafael] Rehealth.com.
- Yeah, I will put a link in there because you offered
basically a free screening that you all could get
being my fans.
- [Reporter] One of the YouTube comments to Dan's video came
from an Australian named Darcy, who asked,
could you please indicate if any commissions
are being given for referrals?
If so, what are the Commission's being used for?
There was no reply.
It's been a long time since Jeff Hayes,
Brent Detelich and Dan Pompa.
Each received convictions in Pennsylvania.
Now, they are living the dream,
spending an intimate Christmas Eve together
in Park City.
DaVinci Biosciences reached a settlement for $7.8 million
in December 2017.
That included no jail time.
- Certainly it's a violation of the law.
But the law doesn't provide any criminal penalties for
this particular violation.
- You know. I've gone from being a critic of that type
of control to a huge advocate for it.
Based on what I've seen.
- [Reporter] The FDA doesn't have the bandwidth to deal
with the volume of misbehaviors.
Patients must understand the law.
- It's always important for patients to understand the law
but even more so today,
because they need to understand
when positions are attempting
to deceive them because we are living in the wild,
wild west of stem cells.
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