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Engel: What is data?

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Like, data is just information,

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and we pray constantly
for wisdom.

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Well, what is wisdom?

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Wisdom is just having more
information than another person.

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The anchoring verse
that was the marker

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for what it is we were doing
was Nehemiah 1:1-4.

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"Tell me about my people,
and tell me about my city."

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So, Nehemiah --
they used data back then

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to apply
to the certain people.

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What they did is they knew
sort of this macro meta data

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that said, "Hey, man,
things are really messed up,

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and the people, they're --
I mean, they're jacked up.

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Like, things are not going well.

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We measured prayer requests.

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Call it crazy, but it was like

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we're sitting on mounds
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that could help us
steward our people.

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So, Nehemiah, now that
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what does he do?

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He modeled praying,
he modeled fasting,

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he modeled mourning,
and he modeled weeping,

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but he also ended up doing
something based upon the data.

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I'm also hopeful

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to have Americans working again

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by that Easter,
that beautiful Easter day.

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But rest assured, every decision
we make is grounded

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solely in the health, safety,
and well-being of our citizens.

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Engel: Church has the one thing
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are absolutely desperate for,
which is relationship.

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We own the relationship space.

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Like, we own it.

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That's the church.

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Regular listeners will know that

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the UK Digital Culture, Media,
and Sport Select Committee,

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which I advise, has been
investigating fake news --

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what it is, where it comes from,

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and how big-data companies
are involved.

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But after the revelations
about Cambridge Analytica,

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the investigation
has dramatically widened.

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Reporter #2: A data-analytics
firm that worked

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on the winning election campaign
of Donald Trump

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was involved
in one of Facebook's

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biggest-ever data breaches.

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I'm Charles Kriel.
I was the special advisor

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to the House of Commons
Select Committee in the UK

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that was investigating
data and Facebook

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and Cambridge Analytica.

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It was really exciting for me

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because I'm half from Alabama
and half from Corning,

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so that doesn't exactly scream
"parliamentary adviser."

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This was the first real wade
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especially by a government body

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or parliamentary
investigatory committee,

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so to be able to help
drive it as the adviser

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was really exciting for me.

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Collins: Welcome to
this further evidence session

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of the Digital,
Culture,

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Media,
and Sport Select Committee.

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Dr. Kriel, would you like
to start us off?

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Thank you very much,

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and thanks for
having me along today.

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I had written an article
about Cambridge Analytica

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for NATO's
Center of Excellence journal.

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Committee was due
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a number of American witnesses,

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including people from YouTube,
Google, Twitter, and Facebook,

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so I came in and testified.

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The more
sophisticated operations

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of, uh, companies like
Cambridge Analytica

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will also use

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five-factor personality
profiling on individuals

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and then
group those individuals

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and target them
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so it's to look for people
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to certain types
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What I'll do is I'll shoot
questions to the members

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when we're in committee,
and those questions

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will be questions
to ask the witnesses.

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If someone came along,
said, "I want to --

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I want to sort of --
I want to run a campaign

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that is -- that is --

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which is going to be
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to people that are
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but have very strong
religious beliefs,"

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would you say, "We actually can
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because we not only understand
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but we also
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with, uh,
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Hypothetically,
it would be possible

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if you had enough data,
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evangelical Christians
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to have a look
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and see
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between that
and some political agenda.

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Obviously, there are
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and
religious organizations

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that might have access
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Yeah.
Could you say...

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Did you notice

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what Nix said at the time
about evangelicals?

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I didn't notice at all what
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when he said it.

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That went unnoticed
by everybody else.

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Why don't you tell people
who you are

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and what it is
that you do?

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Okay, I will. First of all,

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if you wonder why I'm drawing --
drawing in the baby's room,

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it's the only room
that we have any room in.

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Um, so that's the way that goes.

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Um, my name's Charles Kriel,
and I'm the special adviser

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to the UK House of Commons
Select Committee on Fake News.

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Um, a lot of other things, too,

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but that's one of many things
that I do.

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I'm a specialist in
digital media, as you can see.

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This is something
a lot of people don't know

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about what brought
this iteration

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of Cambridge Analytica
down

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and how Alexander Nix ended up
answering to parliament.

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How did you do that?

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Um, well, Channel 4 hadn't done
their sting yet,

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The question was

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how do we get him
to come in and testify?

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'Cause there was beginning to be
some scrutiny on him,

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and we figured
he probably wouldn't.

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So I drafted a letter
that was very complimentary.

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"Oh, Mr. Nix,
you are so very, very great."

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It's fair to say that
there'll be many people

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who have given their data
to you

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who are not aware
that their data

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is then being used
in this way,

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used to support
other campaigns.

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I think
the first answer is that

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this is not
particularly intrusive data.

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This is not like someone's
given up their health data

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or their financial data
or their -- their private data.

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You -- You mentioned that you
have 4,000 or 5,00 data points

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on everybody adult
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i.e. the entire
voting population.

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Does every adult
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know that you have 4,000
or 5,000 data points on them?

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"Would you please come in
and sit?"

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What kind of people

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usually respond
to that kind of, uh, invitation?

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Narcissists.

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We're trying to make sure
that voters receive messages

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on the issues and policies
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and we're trying to make sure
that they're not bombarded

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with -- with --
with irrelevant materials.

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And that
can only be good.

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That can only be good
for politics

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and indeed
of democracy.

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It can be good
to the wider realms

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of communication
and advertising.

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How would you target millions
of people like me if you --

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if -- because when we talk about
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that's effectively what we're --
we're talking about.

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It's not just the microtargeting
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based on age
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but -- but a whole range
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who hold different views.

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Here's what Cambridge Analytical
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With 10 likes,
I can predict your behavior

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better than your coworker,
but 300 likes,

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I can predict your behavior
better than your wife.

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But what they're really
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by algorithmically
observing your behavior,

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I can learn to understand you

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and figure out how to push you
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So if you're somebody who is
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it's really very unlikely

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that I'm going to turn you
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But if you were somebody
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and pretty far out
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I can probably push you
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I can get you so wound up
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because I know
what you're afraid of

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or I know
what pushes your buttons,

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and I can do the same
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What's new is I can micro-target
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so I can do this to
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and manipulate a population
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for the person
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or notto turn out to vote

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for the person
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Just hold that point.

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I just got a quick...

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Great, great.

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My name is Sven Hughes.

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I used to work
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the precursor
to Cambridge Analytica.

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The big data

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is something
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and the commercial sector

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will -- will kind of
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There's actually a much,

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much more serious story
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which has to do
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the kind of companies
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and take out of power people
on demand for a price.

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It's completely unregulated.

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Pretty much the --
no one knows about it,

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and the people who --
who do know about it

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have a tendency
to end up dead in Africa.

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With what you know,

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do you worry?

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Do you -- Have you got scared
in the process?

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I've certainly warned
one of my team,

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who was my deputy at the time,

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when I left SCL
for ethical reasons.

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I warned Dan Muresan,

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"Don't mistake that
the operation security on this

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is not good enough.

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I'm pleading with you

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to step out of this company now
with me."

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He made his own choice,
and I said, "No."

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And the next thing I heard,
he was killed on an SCL --

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he died on an SCL contract
in Kenya some time later.

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And this is
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was talking about
being his predecessor.

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Yeah. So I was --
I was in that job,

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then Dan Muresan, who's dead,

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and then Chris Wiley,
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a household name.

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A deal went sour, and...

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again,
this is what I've been told,

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so I'm not saying this
as a matter of fact.

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But people suspected

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that he was poisoned
in his hotel room.

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I also heard
that the police got bribed

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to not enter the hotel room
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The period I'm interested in
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when you were
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in St. Kitts and Nevis,
uh, Dominica,

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St. Vincent
in the Grenadines.

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Well, I think,
as I said last time,

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we don't generally like
to talk about specific clients.

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I've turned down so much work.

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I turned down work
for Libya, Syria.

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I had someone sitting in front
of me offering me a stake

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in a diamond mine
if I put them into power,

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all these sort of things.

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You know, the money you can make
by being unethical

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is so extraordinary.

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Disinformation is
one of the biggest threats

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to democracy.

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With a committee,

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I really hope to make
a difference for the future.

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Everything changed
the day Chris Vickery came in

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and gave testimony,
which is really funny

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because we had less people
come to that testimony

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than any session
we had done at all.

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Collins: Good afternoon. I'd
like to welcome Chris Vickery.

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We're delighted that you've
been able to join us, Chris.

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You've come all the way
from the West Coast

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to be here
in London today.

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You've got hackers,

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and then you've got
what Chris does.

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And hackers will break
into things and take data,

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and they'll call the company
and go, "We've got your data,

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and if you give us
so much money,

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then you can have
your data back."

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Chris Vickery does something
entirely different.

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He finds data that is exposed,

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and then he lets
the company know

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and he offers his services

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to help them prevent that thing
in the future.

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So as he tells it,

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one night, he was
hammering around on the Internet

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and sort of listening
in the background to information

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about the Cambridge Analytica
investigation,

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and so he goes looking.

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What is happening
is this database of truth exists

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with all the data.

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He finds a vast amount
of cloud data open to anybody

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who registered for an account.

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The database of truth,
which is starting to sound

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a bit like
a science-fiction novel, um,

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that's -- is that a sort of
constantly evolving organism,

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which is get -- get sort of,
you know, richer and richer

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depending on what --
what's put into it?

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The database of truth
is fed --

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the foundation,
apparently,

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according to
what's written in there,

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is the
Republican database

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called
Data Trust Voter Vault.

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There's a company
named Data Trust

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that is very close

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to the Republican Party,
the GOP in America,

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so much to the point
that I would say

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they could be considered
the same entity.

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And then they add
state voter files to,

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I assume, corroborate
what's in the RNC database.

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Then they add
consumer purchasable data,

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such as from Experian.

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You know, it's limitless
what other companies

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would sell you data
similar to Experian.

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Then they add lists
that the candidate --

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the campaign itself
gives to them.

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Chris finds this data.

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He, um, downloads it.

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Uh, he makes, uh,
the authorities aware of it,

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the FBI aware of it.

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On this hard drive
right here

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that I'm now delivering
to you guys in the committee,

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uh, you will find
all of that.

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After the session was over,
he gives us the hard drive,

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and me and some of the MPs

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are standing around
looking at each other.

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And they're going like,
"I don't want to carry it out."

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You know, like, "I don't want to
carry it out, either."

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Nobody wanted to --

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Nobody wanted to walk
down the halls with it.

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It was really quite frightening.

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Um...so they gave it to me.

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There's a reason that not
many people have come forward

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and spoken about
Cambridge Analytica.

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I'm in Paddington Station,

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and I've got this hard drive
on me.

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And I'm -- I'm just terrified
with it.

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I don't know what I'm doing
carrying it on my back,

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trying to ferry it home
somewhere safe

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to get it to people
to -- to examine.

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I was sure that there must be
something on this drive

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that would lead us to being able
to nail Cambridge Analytica.

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So I've just had
a big interchange

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back and forth with [bleep]

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They've been working with us
supposedly for the past month.

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I'm doing this
hard-drive investigation.

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And it turns out they've got
one developer

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less than half time
working on this.

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That's just not gonna do,

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and what's gonna happen
is this investigation

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will end up
getting lost to history.

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It's this alignment of very,
very wealthy interests

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with political interests who
do not have democracy at heart,

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who do not have people, um, in
their heart and in their minds,

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um, and -- and how political
systems can be manipulated.

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These things are aligning
with one another.

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This story is going to be bigger
than Donald Trump.

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It's gonna be bigger
than Brexit.

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It's been another big week
in the news.

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The Select Committee
are releasing our final report

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on fake news and disinformation,

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but really, it's about
something much bigger.

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Look, I'm sorry if members
of this committee are unhappy

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with the outcome
of the referendum.

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I'm sorry if members of this
committee are unhappy with...

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That's not --
I-I didn't say --

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...Donald Trump being president
of the United States.

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Cambridge Analytica is by no
means alone in being a provider

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of immoral, irresponsible,
unethical services

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to clandestine hidden hands
that pay big money for them,

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and because political parties

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aren't ever gonna
take those people on

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because they rely on them
to get into power next time.

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They're not gonna take on the
very industry that they can --

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that can get them into power,
and once they're in power,

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they're not gonna regulate
against that industry

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because it got them into power
in the first place.

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And if they turned
against the industry,

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they'd be taken out of power.

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The second session
was a disaster.

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Nix came off as a victim.
It was a car crash.

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And the fact is,
there's no evidence...Mr. Nix, yes, there is.

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...to support
your position.

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What you're doing now
is building a conspiracy.

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So you have this sort of
Faustian game and relationship

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that's going on
behind closed doors,

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away from the public's gaze
at the moment.

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And everyone's talking
about big data.

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Sod big data.

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It's like
a year and a half of work

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and calling
Mark Zuckerberg

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and -- and --
and pushing and pushing

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and -- and writing on
this report for months,

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and it just disappears.

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This had been a year
and a half of all of our lives,

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an unbelievable amount of work,

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people staying up
all night long,

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months on end doing the writing,

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and it just disappeared
into a media black hole.

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It was like lying in bed
in the middle of the night.

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"Have I wasted the last couple
of years of my life?"

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It just felt like everyone
was gonna get away with it,

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and there wasn't a thing
I could do.

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What was slam-dunk
on the drive, though,

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was there was a lot
of information from America.

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There were a lot of records
from America,

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um, and it related
to voting and voters.

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And in fact, there was a part

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of the
Republican National Committee's

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database on that drive.

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Now, the next big election
coming up

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is the 2020 election
in the United States.

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This is Kat.
Please leave a message.

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Hey, Kat, it's me.

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I think we have to
go to America.

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Whether it
has to do with religion,

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our evangelicals
are here tonight,

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and they're all over the place.

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As congressional
testimony over Ukraine

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started to heat up
a few weeks ago,

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we learned that President Trump
took time out to pray.

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Oh,
this God country.

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A group prayer in the West Wing
with some high-profile guests,

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as tweeted by televangelist
Paula White-Cain.

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Now, a photo showed
Trump standing, eyes closed,

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nearly two dozen
well-known evangelical leaders

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with their heads bowed and hands
on his arms and shoulders.

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What I'm trying to draw out
is I just think we've been --

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This whole story has been
handled in the wrong way,

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that we're talking
to the right people,

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but we're talking to them
about the wrong things.

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What's happening with Trump
and what's happening with Brexit

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is just more evidence that.

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Our first stop in America
was Sean Eib with Graphika...

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...who'd been analyzing

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the evidence
on Chris Vickery's hard drive.

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I had also started looking at
the United in Purpose

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data breach, which was the,
uh, 100 -- I believe

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191 million voter records

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that were found
exposed also by Chris Vickery.

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United in Purpose
started off its life

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as an evangelical group.

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They made a coalition of pastors
that were simply doing

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a "get out the vote drive"

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within
their evangelical churches

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and stuff like that to kind of
build out their voter database.

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By the time Vickery found it,

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they had grown 191 million
voter records.

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That's essentially every
voting-age adult in the US.

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Are these records the same
as the GOP data addressed?

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This is supposed to be
the GOP's central location

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for all their data.

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If you look at
their total number of profiles,

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they're pretty much
neck and neck.

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Well, you win it
by five million,

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youwin it by five million.

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You're not acknowledging
a connection,

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but it seems like you guys

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sure do seem to get records
all at the same time.

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It does not seem like
it makes a whole lot of sense

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that an evangelical group
would need

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191 million profiles.

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There aren't that many
evangelicals in America.

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I think it's somewhere
a quarter of Americans

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identify as evangelical,
which would be like 75 million.

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So there's definitely a lot of
people that are in there

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that didn't sign up for it.

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Vickery also found
28 million records

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that were
highly enriched profiles.

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Believe that was the one
he found himself in,

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where it had like
60 different issues,

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and it was predicting
people's stance on that issue.

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And for the -- for the layman,
what does "enriched" mean?

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So enriched -- they have
added in extra data saying,

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"Okay, this is a likely voter.

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00:22:02,597 --> 00:22:05,047
This is a likely swing voter.

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This person is likely to vote
based on this issue."

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You were a kind of one-position
voter based on abortion.

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Doesn't matter what other
policies you support,

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all those you
can kind of ignore.

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This is the one
that's important,

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So it's a pretty deep level
of, like, understanding

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of of what can what
you can expect a person to do

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when they go to cast their vote.

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That's interesting because
there's supposed to be

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a separation
of church and state.

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Oh, yeah.
No, they're supposed to be.

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00:22:29,555 --> 00:22:31,488
Um, it doesn't seem like
it works all the time.

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Okay, he's coming.

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00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,009
How's the sound quality?

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00:22:36,113 --> 00:22:39,461
Conservative churches in America
are often used to spread

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a number of clearly partisan
political messages.

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They're used to mobilize
and drive voter participation,

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so when I went to meetings
of the pastor networks

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like Watchmen on the Walls
and Church United,

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what I saw was
these national leaders

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who were focused
on, uh, partisan political gain.

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00:22:59,067 --> 00:23:02,484
They were going around
the country to swing districts,

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00:23:02,588 --> 00:23:04,624
often in advance
of key elections,

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00:23:04,728 --> 00:23:07,489
and then working to shape
the views of pastors

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and then encouraging
these pastors

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to become politically engaged

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in what were clearly
partisan ways.

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498
00:23:37,381 --> 00:23:39,935
for nearly every US consumer.

499
00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:42,524
Every point of data
moves you one step closer

500
00:23:42,628 --> 00:23:45,354
to understanding the needs
of your current people

501
00:23:45,458 --> 00:23:47,598
and those in your
surrounding community

502
00:23:47,702 --> 00:23:49,151
so you can reach them

503
00:23:49,255 --> 00:23:51,706
with the right message
at the right time.

504
00:23:51,809 --> 00:23:54,260
That could be people
battling substance use

505
00:23:54,363 --> 00:23:55,917
and mental-health issues

506
00:23:56,020 --> 00:24:00,473
or young people
seeking their spiritual path.

507
00:24:00,577 --> 00:24:03,269
Maximize your capacity
to change lives

508
00:24:03,372 --> 00:24:05,685
by leveraging insights
from big data

509
00:24:05,789 --> 00:24:08,723
so you can understand
the people you want to serve,

510
00:24:08,826 --> 00:24:10,656
reach them earlier,

511
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,797
and turn their needs
into a journey towards growth.

512
00:24:15,902 --> 00:24:17,283
That's outrageous.

513
00:24:17,386 --> 00:24:19,250
Is that
on the market at the moment?

514
00:24:19,354 --> 00:24:20,631
They took it down.

515
00:24:20,735 --> 00:24:23,669
That's outrageous.
Basically, the same --

516
00:24:23,772 --> 00:24:25,774
This is Cambridge Analytica
by another name.

517
00:24:25,878 --> 00:24:29,019
God help us. We're going to hell
in a handcart. God help us.

518
00:24:32,747 --> 00:24:35,474
So this guy Brent,
like overnight,

519
00:24:35,577 --> 00:24:39,270
he sends me a thousand messages
from Melbourne.

520
00:24:41,341 --> 00:24:43,965
Hey, Brent,
welcome to New York.

521
00:24:47,934 --> 00:24:49,488
I wake up in the morning,

522
00:24:49,591 --> 00:24:53,181
and my notifications
are completely full.

523
00:25:01,396 --> 00:25:03,363
Usually,
because I have to deal with

524
00:25:03,467 --> 00:25:04,951
a lot of conspiracy theorists,

525
00:25:05,055 --> 00:25:07,644
one of the way that I ways
that I filter them out

526
00:25:07,747 --> 00:25:10,301
is if they can't be brief,

527
00:25:10,405 --> 00:25:12,476
so my immediate thought
about Brent was,

528
00:25:12,580 --> 00:25:15,099
"Oh, God, it's another
conspiracy theorist."

529
00:25:15,203 --> 00:25:17,688
But then I started going through
the evidence,

530
00:25:17,792 --> 00:25:19,345
and it was extraordinary.

531
00:25:19,448 --> 00:25:23,107
When it got
to the point where, um...

532
00:25:23,211 --> 00:25:26,352
Cambridge America
was bankrupt,

533
00:25:26,455 --> 00:25:30,080
I followed up on a kind of
thought experiment, really,

534
00:25:30,183 --> 00:25:32,565
which was go through
the creditors

535
00:25:32,669 --> 00:25:35,810
in the -- in the Cambridge
Analytica bankruptcy case.

536
00:25:35,913 --> 00:25:37,846
Now,
the creditor/client --

537
00:25:37,950 --> 00:25:40,504
because that's the assumption,
that the creditor is a client --

538
00:25:40,608 --> 00:25:42,471
was Philanthropy Roundtable

539
00:25:42,575 --> 00:25:45,267
that's funded
by the Koch brothers...

540
00:25:49,444 --> 00:25:53,206
...and they set up
Culture of Freedom Initiative.

541
00:25:53,310 --> 00:25:55,795
They're funding projects
to do with families,

542
00:25:55,899 --> 00:25:57,970
marriage,
and church attendance,

543
00:25:58,073 --> 00:25:59,834
and one of
the key projects

544
00:25:59,937 --> 00:26:01,421
that they were promoting
over the last few years

545
00:26:01,525 --> 00:26:04,045
is their
Smart Ministries initiative.

546
00:26:06,668 --> 00:26:10,258
Spahn: No matter
your experience, no matter race,

547
00:26:10,361 --> 00:26:13,468
gender, or economic status,
there's just hurt.

548
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,746
Like, this world hurts us.

549
00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:20,268
There's a world of difference
between peace and freedom

550
00:26:20,371 --> 00:26:22,063
that only the spirit offers

551
00:26:22,166 --> 00:26:25,100
and relief, which we can find
in a bunch of different ways.

552
00:26:25,204 --> 00:26:27,240
I got invited through
my roommate,

553
00:26:27,344 --> 00:26:30,692
and I was very hesitant
and skeptical.

554
00:26:30,796 --> 00:26:32,660
It's like my brain
has been rewired

555
00:26:32,763 --> 00:26:35,455
to see people
and situations differently.

556
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:38,631
To have these relationships now
has changed my life.

557
00:26:38,735 --> 00:26:41,910
I would like to thank the
Culture of Freedom initiative.

558
00:26:42,014 --> 00:26:44,361
Without you,
I would not be where I am.

559
00:26:46,397 --> 00:26:49,884
Smart ministries
or -- or data churches --

560
00:26:49,987 --> 00:26:51,782
or --
what does that mean, really?

561
00:26:51,886 --> 00:26:54,095
There's a push within
what I would describe

562
00:26:54,198 --> 00:26:55,924
as prosperity Christianity.

563
00:26:56,028 --> 00:27:01,930
The Culture Freedom Initiative
set up a contract

564
00:27:02,034 --> 00:27:07,453
and a church ad company in
Boulder, Colorado, called Gloo,

565
00:27:07,556 --> 00:27:09,835
and they set up
a platform,

566
00:27:09,938 --> 00:27:12,492
which is
a microtargeting plan.

567
00:27:12,596 --> 00:27:15,910
And they're marketing that
very aggressively to churches

568
00:27:16,013 --> 00:27:20,086
as a way of expanding their
outreach to new worshippers

569
00:27:20,190 --> 00:27:23,296
to increase the size
of the congregation,

570
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,267
and it's also the means
by which the congregation is...

571
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:29,889
And so they
discuss openly

572
00:27:29,993 --> 00:27:31,891
in some of
the background documentation

573
00:27:31,995 --> 00:27:33,306
that if
you target people

574
00:27:33,410 --> 00:27:35,515
who are suffering
from relationship stress,

575
00:27:35,619 --> 00:27:38,657
then you're more likely
to get the kind of flow

576
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,693
on attendance
at church,

577
00:27:40,797 --> 00:27:43,662
and -- and they're more likely
to donate twice as much

578
00:27:43,765 --> 00:27:45,387
as existing
church members.

579
00:27:45,491 --> 00:27:47,493
And so the data is...

580
00:27:51,428 --> 00:27:55,501
The concern for me is
if you put these techniques

581
00:27:55,604 --> 00:27:58,021
in a religious environment
of any kind,

582
00:27:58,124 --> 00:27:59,850
a religious group of any kind,

583
00:27:59,954 --> 00:28:05,407
an audience that is ripe
for information, um, influence,

584
00:28:05,511 --> 00:28:11,241
what they are doing there
is trying to, um, create

585
00:28:11,344 --> 00:28:14,727
an unknowing universe of control

586
00:28:14,831 --> 00:28:18,075
in which vulnerable people
are situated,

587
00:28:18,179 --> 00:28:21,251
and this group of people
who have an agenda

588
00:28:21,354 --> 00:28:22,873
are talking, saying,
"We know what's right for you,

589
00:28:22,977 --> 00:28:24,633
so what we'll do
is create the context

590
00:28:24,737 --> 00:28:26,428
that when you're at
your most vulnerable,

591
00:28:26,532 --> 00:28:28,016
we're there for you."

592
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:29,880
Absolutely, without question,

593
00:28:29,984 --> 00:28:33,470
those are the same techniques
that ISIS, Al-Qaeda,

594
00:28:33,573 --> 00:28:35,092
the Taliban have been using

595
00:28:35,196 --> 00:28:37,508
and we've been fighting
for many -- for many years,

596
00:28:37,612 --> 00:28:40,235
which is the -- the parasite,
if you like,

597
00:28:40,339 --> 00:28:42,479
of the infrastructure
of a religion

598
00:28:42,582 --> 00:28:45,654
to put in a malevolent message.

599
00:28:45,758 --> 00:28:48,036
Um, yes, absolutely,
that's a concern.

600
00:28:49,935 --> 00:28:53,076
Sven calling it radicalization
really hit home for me

601
00:28:53,179 --> 00:28:58,322
because a big part of my work
is doing counter-radicalization

602
00:28:58,426 --> 00:29:01,567
out on --
out in frontline states,

603
00:29:01,670 --> 00:29:05,674
and these techniques
are the techniques

604
00:29:05,778 --> 00:29:08,263
that are used in radicalization,

605
00:29:08,367 --> 00:29:11,163
whether you're talking
about Islamic State

606
00:29:11,266 --> 00:29:16,030
or you're talking
about neo-Nazis.

607
00:29:16,133 --> 00:29:22,415
Engel: We've developed and have
built the largest data platform

608
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,279
that --
that I know of in the world

609
00:29:24,383 --> 00:29:26,281
that's missionally-aligned.

610
00:29:26,385 --> 00:29:29,837
The church has the one thing
that most companies

611
00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:33,495
are absolutely desperate for,
which is relationship.

612
00:29:45,991 --> 00:29:47,889
We lost him.

613
00:29:50,823 --> 00:29:56,622
The rushing source, the origin
of the air, the garden gone.

614
00:30:00,764 --> 00:30:05,873
Now, ever over
a distant horizon, we lost him.

615
00:30:08,979 --> 00:30:13,294
We chose to be without,
unaware of what we had.

616
00:30:13,397 --> 00:30:18,092
All of us together alone
have forgotten what we lost.

617
00:30:18,195 --> 00:30:19,714
My name is Gloria Beth Amodeo.

618
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:22,441
I'm a writer who lives
in Brooklyn, New York,

619
00:30:22,544 --> 00:30:26,065
and I was an evangelical
Christian for seven years.

620
00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:28,861
And I was converted
by Campus Crusade for Christ,

621
00:30:28,965 --> 00:30:30,794
which is known now as Cru.

622
00:30:30,898 --> 00:30:35,661
Cru's mission is to convert
basically the entire world

623
00:30:35,764 --> 00:30:38,733
to the belief that Jesus Christ
is Lord and savior

624
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:42,116
and no one goes to heaven
without believing in him.

625
00:30:42,219 --> 00:30:43,876
I was at college in New Jersey,

626
00:30:43,980 --> 00:30:45,913
and so I was a part
of Jersey Cru.

627
00:30:46,016 --> 00:30:47,949
"Look how good
and pleasant it is

628
00:30:48,053 --> 00:30:50,262
when brothers
live together in unity,"

629
00:30:50,365 --> 00:30:54,507
and then we have here, "Taking
the state for Christ together."

630
00:30:54,611 --> 00:30:56,924
I was a very vulnerable
college student.

631
00:30:57,027 --> 00:30:59,478
My mother had a pill addiction
when I was growing up,

632
00:30:59,581 --> 00:31:02,895
and I got just super scared
about being out of control,

633
00:31:02,999 --> 00:31:06,726
about the idea of, like,
fraternities and sororities

634
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:09,660
and of college drinking
and drug culture.

635
00:31:09,764 --> 00:31:11,939
I walked into an office
of student life,

636
00:31:12,042 --> 00:31:14,631
went up to a teacher, and I
remember, you know, just saying,

637
00:31:14,734 --> 00:31:16,046
like, "Hey, I'm really scared.

638
00:31:16,150 --> 00:31:17,668
I don't want to be pushed
into doing anything

639
00:31:17,772 --> 00:31:19,084
that I don't want to do."

640
00:31:19,187 --> 00:31:21,258
You know, other student,
after I left the office,

641
00:31:21,362 --> 00:31:22,881
she kind of ran after me.

642
00:31:22,984 --> 00:31:26,781
She said, "Hey,
so I know your concerns.

643
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:28,714
I'm really sorry
that you went through that

644
00:31:28,817 --> 00:31:29,991
and you got scared."

645
00:31:30,095 --> 00:31:31,682
She happened to be the president

646
00:31:31,786 --> 00:31:34,064
of the Campus Crusade
for Christ Club.

647
00:31:34,168 --> 00:31:36,342
This person really became
a mentor in my life.

648
00:31:36,446 --> 00:31:37,826
I was just trying to figure out

649
00:31:37,930 --> 00:31:39,276
what my life
was going to look like,

650
00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:42,486
who I was,
and -- and who I wanted to be.

651
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:44,868
"An intimate message
from God to you.

652
00:31:44,972 --> 00:31:46,490
My child, you may not know me,

653
00:31:46,594 --> 00:31:48,734
but I know everything
about you."

654
00:31:48,837 --> 00:31:50,287
All of these things
that, you know,

655
00:31:50,391 --> 00:31:51,702
when you're vulnerable,

656
00:31:51,806 --> 00:31:55,775
it sounds really --
it sounds really good.

657
00:31:55,879 --> 00:31:58,433
But what you're trained to do
when you're in Cru

658
00:31:58,537 --> 00:32:00,746
is identify those ripe apples.

659
00:32:00,849 --> 00:32:02,713
They knew that with me,

660
00:32:02,817 --> 00:32:05,682
they had an opportunity
to go much deeper.

661
00:32:05,785 --> 00:32:07,718
When I heard Campus Crusade
for Christ, I thought,

662
00:32:07,822 --> 00:32:09,203
"Oh, Christians, like me.

663
00:32:09,306 --> 00:32:11,446
I should be able to fit in
with these people."

664
00:32:11,550 --> 00:32:15,485
What I didn'thear at the time
was "evangelical Christian."

665
00:32:15,588 --> 00:32:17,694
Some girl gave me
this little heart.

666
00:32:17,797 --> 00:32:19,834
This is the type of stuff
that keeps you in it,

667
00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:24,080
you know, when you form
these really strong bonds

668
00:32:24,183 --> 00:32:26,082
and, you know,
you're basically told, like,

669
00:32:26,185 --> 00:32:28,947
"I'm always here for you.
I love you."

670
00:32:29,050 --> 00:32:30,500
In a way,

671
00:32:30,603 --> 00:32:32,364
getting to know them
on all of these other levels

672
00:32:32,467 --> 00:32:34,711
before they introduce
their fundamentalist beliefs

673
00:32:34,814 --> 00:32:36,816
made me trust them more
in a sense

674
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,405
and made the beliefs
seem less extreme

675
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:43,064
than I came to realize later on
they were.

676
00:32:43,168 --> 00:32:46,895
They hook you up with
a staff member, a Cru discipler,

677
00:32:46,999 --> 00:32:50,175
who is somebody who does not
go to college on campus,

678
00:32:50,278 --> 00:32:52,487
is above the age of 21.

679
00:32:52,591 --> 00:32:54,282
They're married with children,

680
00:32:54,386 --> 00:32:57,044
and they have this, like,
idyllic adult life.

681
00:32:57,147 --> 00:32:58,977
I think that that's, like,
a part of the tactics.

682
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,464
Seeing that makes you think,
"Oh, wow, this is possible."

683
00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:05,707
Once she told me,
"Jesus loves you.

684
00:33:05,811 --> 00:33:07,330
Nothing's gonna take
God's love away,"

685
00:33:07,433 --> 00:33:09,918
all the warm, fuzzy stuff,
after a few months,

686
00:33:10,022 --> 00:33:13,439
then she starts saying, "The act
of homosexuality is a sin.

687
00:33:13,543 --> 00:33:15,994
Abortion is murder.

688
00:33:16,097 --> 00:33:17,547
And if you're really
going to have this big,

689
00:33:17,650 --> 00:33:19,238
beautiful, wonderful life,

690
00:33:19,342 --> 00:33:21,240
you have to believe
these things, too."

691
00:33:21,344 --> 00:33:23,001
We had a whole women's day

692
00:33:23,104 --> 00:33:26,418
and -- and reflection questions
that we had to answer.

693
00:33:26,521 --> 00:33:27,867
This first section is called

694
00:33:27,971 --> 00:33:30,560
"Present Your Bodies
as a Living Sacrifice."

695
00:33:30,663 --> 00:33:32,527
Her baby -- she was bouncing
her baby on her lap,

696
00:33:32,631 --> 00:33:34,460
I remember, at the time
that we talked about this.

697
00:33:34,564 --> 00:33:36,600
When, you know,
you're married, as a woman,

698
00:33:36,704 --> 00:33:38,740
you're supposed to submit
to your husband.

699
00:33:38,844 --> 00:33:40,742
I remember fighting against
the Cru staff member.

700
00:33:40,846 --> 00:33:43,228
I was like, "Why would I ever
have to submit to my husband?

701
00:33:43,331 --> 00:33:46,576
That sounds so strange. Like,
do yousubmit to your husband?"

702
00:33:46,679 --> 00:33:49,613
And she said, "Oh, yeah, I do,
but -- but it's not so bad.

703
00:33:49,717 --> 00:33:51,339
It's not as bad
as you think it is."

704
00:33:51,443 --> 00:33:54,239
Like, she said,
"'Submission' only means

705
00:33:54,342 --> 00:33:56,793
that he gets to have
the final say."

706
00:33:56,896 --> 00:33:58,657
And what happened was
my disciplers,

707
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,522
the girl who converted me,
slowly started to tell me

708
00:34:01,625 --> 00:34:04,490
that I needed to start
cutting my family out.

709
00:34:04,594 --> 00:34:06,699
You know, they said, "Your mom's
not very good for you.

710
00:34:06,803 --> 00:34:08,770
You shouldn't talk to her
on the phone anymore."

711
00:34:08,874 --> 00:34:10,738
So very slowly, they began

712
00:34:10,841 --> 00:34:13,292
isolating me
away from my family,

713
00:34:13,396 --> 00:34:15,329
and eventually,
they started isolating me away

714
00:34:15,432 --> 00:34:17,434
from my non-believing friends,
as well,

715
00:34:17,538 --> 00:34:22,267
who they felt like had too much
of an influence on my life.

716
00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:24,545
This here, underneath
"your short-term goals,"

717
00:34:24,648 --> 00:34:27,375
what Cru's mission was --
"continue to target

718
00:34:27,479 --> 00:34:29,895
those in your life
who need salvation."

719
00:34:29,998 --> 00:34:32,829
Yeah, the word "target" there
sticks out to me.

720
00:34:32,932 --> 00:34:35,487
Cru is a global organization,
yes.

721
00:34:35,590 --> 00:34:37,351
Uh, they even are involved
in the military,

722
00:34:37,454 --> 00:34:38,559
interestingly enough.

723
00:34:38,662 --> 00:34:40,112
They have
a whole military chapter.

724
00:34:40,216 --> 00:34:43,081
Says the main goal here,
"Take the state together

725
00:34:43,184 --> 00:34:47,085
and then take the country,"
is the -- is the idea.

726
00:34:55,162 --> 00:34:56,680
Do you see
any flags there

727
00:34:56,784 --> 00:34:58,855
about people's
personal vulnerabilities

728
00:34:58,958 --> 00:35:00,581
or emotional vulnerability?

729
00:35:00,684 --> 00:35:02,134
I don't think
that would be something

730
00:35:02,238 --> 00:35:05,275
they would broadly advertise
because it sounds like

731
00:35:05,379 --> 00:35:07,898
an evil supervillain thing
to do.

732
00:35:08,002 --> 00:35:11,730
So, alright,
so go ahead and say it again.

733
00:35:11,833 --> 00:35:14,871
You want me to just --
a little bit about who I am?

734
00:35:22,016 --> 00:35:23,397
The big question on this is,

735
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:26,193
why would the Koch brothers
do this at all?

736
00:35:26,296 --> 00:35:31,025
Because they're not known for
being particularly religious.

737
00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:35,581
So to dig into this further, um,

738
00:35:35,685 --> 00:35:37,100
we thought we'd start
at the source

739
00:35:37,204 --> 00:35:42,278
and go to the founder
of Communio/COFI.

740
00:35:42,381 --> 00:35:48,076
In 2014, I started the
Culture of Freedom Initiative

741
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:51,321
at the Philanthropy Roundtable,
and I had --

742
00:35:51,425 --> 00:35:53,289
my public policy world used

743
00:35:53,392 --> 00:35:55,083
and worked with
predictive analytics

744
00:35:55,187 --> 00:35:59,674
and -- and big-data tools
within public policy

745
00:35:59,778 --> 00:36:03,575
to identify folks who would be
persuadable on certain issues.

746
00:36:03,678 --> 00:36:05,887
What would it look like
to use it within --

747
00:36:05,991 --> 00:36:07,475
within the realm of ministry?

748
00:36:07,579 --> 00:36:09,201
And so we,
through the initiative,

749
00:36:09,305 --> 00:36:12,411
funded the development
of the data Insights platform.

750
00:36:12,515 --> 00:36:14,482
Gloo already had
some initial funders,

751
00:36:14,586 --> 00:36:17,313
and we provided funding over
time and helped to develop it

752
00:36:17,416 --> 00:36:19,729
and helped to test it
for a few years.

753
00:36:19,832 --> 00:36:21,938
The multi church test
using the data

754
00:36:22,041 --> 00:36:24,492
with a focus
on relationship ministry.

755
00:36:24,596 --> 00:36:26,045
Every large company
in the world,

756
00:36:26,149 --> 00:36:27,840
if you sell consumer products
of different sorts,

757
00:36:27,944 --> 00:36:29,980
are trying to figure out
good ways to market that,

758
00:36:30,084 --> 00:36:34,261
and there's no better product,
really, than the gospel.

759
00:36:34,364 --> 00:36:37,367
Religious nones are on the rise
in America,

760
00:36:37,471 --> 00:36:40,267
only these nones
are not religious at all.

761
00:36:40,370 --> 00:36:43,684
They check the box
for "none," N-O-N-E,

762
00:36:43,787 --> 00:36:46,031
on surveys
of religious affiliation.

763
00:36:46,134 --> 00:36:47,515
But a growing number
of churches

764
00:36:47,619 --> 00:36:49,690
working in partnership
with Communio

765
00:36:49,793 --> 00:36:52,658
are seeing double-digit
increases in weekly membership

766
00:36:52,762 --> 00:36:55,213
and collections
by architecting their ministry

767
00:36:55,316 --> 00:36:57,387
around strengthening the core
building block of community --

768
00:36:57,491 --> 00:36:59,182
the family.

769
00:36:59,286 --> 00:37:04,360
Communio's playbook is
now available to your church.

770
00:37:04,463 --> 00:37:07,673
We help a first church diagnose
some -- some opportunities

771
00:37:07,777 --> 00:37:09,088
around their church campus

772
00:37:09,192 --> 00:37:12,851
by identifying an audience of,
say, 5,000 folks

773
00:37:12,954 --> 00:37:15,992
within 5 to 10 miles
of a church's campus,

774
00:37:16,095 --> 00:37:19,133
maybe have a marriage based on
the consumer products data

775
00:37:19,237 --> 00:37:21,687
looks like
it might be struggling,

776
00:37:21,791 --> 00:37:23,655
and so in their marriage,
they have young kids,

777
00:37:23,758 --> 00:37:28,901
and they're open
to an invitation to church.

778
00:37:29,005 --> 00:37:30,869
And then we'll reach out
and help them

779
00:37:30,972 --> 00:37:35,218
design ministry outreach
invitations through Facebook,

780
00:37:35,322 --> 00:37:37,289
where we'll reach out
to that group of 5,000

781
00:37:37,393 --> 00:37:40,050
or 10,000 folks
who fit that risk area

782
00:37:40,154 --> 00:37:41,673
and invite them in.

783
00:37:41,776 --> 00:37:44,365
Come to a date-night event
at the church

784
00:37:44,469 --> 00:37:46,264
with that child-care provider.

785
00:37:46,367 --> 00:37:48,266
They'll meet people
at the church.

786
00:37:48,369 --> 00:37:49,853
Invite them over for dinner,

787
00:37:49,957 --> 00:37:51,476
invite them
into their small group.

788
00:37:51,579 --> 00:37:54,927
Now these couples who
didn't previously have as robust

789
00:37:55,031 --> 00:37:58,137
of their own
personal network of friends

790
00:37:58,241 --> 00:38:01,520
are introduced to these folks
who want to know them.

791
00:38:01,624 --> 00:38:05,144
Those couples can be guided
over time

792
00:38:05,248 --> 00:38:09,079
into what we would call
a growth journey.

793
00:38:09,183 --> 00:38:10,736
I think
I read an article

794
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,324
that you said
you kind of worked

795
00:38:12,428 --> 00:38:15,258
with the original data guys,
Cambridge Analytica,

796
00:38:15,362 --> 00:38:16,811
when you set it up.
Is that right?

797
00:38:16,915 --> 00:38:21,644
We worked with a number
of -- of data vendors.

798
00:38:21,747 --> 00:38:30,894
We worked with, um -- in my old
world in -- in public policy,

799
00:38:30,998 --> 00:38:33,897
there is no shortage
of really good vendors.

800
00:38:34,001 --> 00:38:37,936
i360 is one of them. Um, uh...

801
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:41,111
From an efficacy perspective,
um,

802
00:38:41,215 --> 00:38:44,736
there's a lot of really good --
a lot of good firms out there,

803
00:38:44,839 --> 00:38:48,049
and, um, uh,
we've worked with --

804
00:38:48,153 --> 00:38:49,844
we've worked with
a number of them.

805
00:38:49,948 --> 00:38:51,363
And with funding,
I mean,

806
00:38:51,467 --> 00:38:52,882
is it really passionate
private investors?

807
00:38:52,985 --> 00:38:54,884
Yeah, you know,
I think you've hit on something

808
00:38:54,987 --> 00:38:57,093
that's really central
to the American experience.

809
00:38:57,196 --> 00:39:00,096
Tocqueville talked about it
in his "Democracy in America."

810
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,824
We have this really
robust tradition in our country

811
00:39:03,927 --> 00:39:07,345
of solving problems
through voluntary civil action.

812
00:39:07,448 --> 00:39:09,001
The United States has

813
00:39:09,105 --> 00:39:13,005
the largest group of
charitable donors in the world,

814
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:15,974
give more away in charity
than any other country.

815
00:39:16,077 --> 00:39:18,770
So, yeah, there's a lot
of committed Christians

816
00:39:18,873 --> 00:39:20,841
who we've met with
and understand

817
00:39:20,944 --> 00:39:22,877
that, you know,
these resources that they have,

818
00:39:22,981 --> 00:39:25,535
they see them as not theirs
but God's.

819
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:27,882
Is there anybody
you can mention by name?

820
00:39:27,986 --> 00:39:29,712
Is there anyone
you want to --

821
00:39:29,815 --> 00:39:33,681
No, because what we do,
you know,

822
00:39:33,785 --> 00:39:35,890
most charities are this way.

823
00:39:35,994 --> 00:39:38,479
You protect the privacy
of the person

824
00:39:38,583 --> 00:39:40,688
largely because
it's a gospel imperative.

825
00:39:40,792 --> 00:39:41,965
You don't want the right hand
to know

826
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:43,864
what the left hand is doing.

827
00:39:47,005 --> 00:39:48,627
I'm from Alabama.

828
00:39:48,731 --> 00:39:52,666
All of this stuff happens
where I'm from, where I grew up,

829
00:39:52,769 --> 00:39:56,635
people I knew, churches I went
to when I was younger.

830
00:39:56,739 --> 00:39:59,466
Um, it was really time
for us to, you know,

831
00:39:59,569 --> 00:40:01,709
if we're gonna move
this investigation forward

832
00:40:01,813 --> 00:40:05,644
to head for the Bible Belt,
let it out a couple of notches.

833
00:40:09,614 --> 00:40:13,307
How does it feel to be
in the south, Charles?

834
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:17,863
Well, it feels like a promise
of decent weather.

835
00:40:17,967 --> 00:40:20,694
The program isn't the only one.

836
00:40:20,797 --> 00:40:24,076
Um, there are programs
around grief,

837
00:40:24,180 --> 00:40:27,010
around addiction recovery.

838
00:40:27,114 --> 00:40:28,874
There's programs around divorce,

839
00:40:28,978 --> 00:40:31,670
programs around
financial trouble.

840
00:40:31,774 --> 00:40:36,019
They're all trying to draw
nonreligious people

841
00:40:36,123 --> 00:40:37,676
into the church.

842
00:40:43,233 --> 00:40:45,443
If you feel like
you're alone in your grief,

843
00:40:45,546 --> 00:40:47,410
be encouraged that you are not.

844
00:40:47,514 --> 00:40:50,655
Whatever you're facing,
others have faced it, too,

845
00:40:50,758 --> 00:40:52,622
and at a loss of a spouse event,

846
00:40:52,726 --> 00:40:54,106
there are people waiting
to help.

847
00:40:54,210 --> 00:40:55,591
You'll learn what to expect

848
00:40:55,694 --> 00:40:58,904
in the weeks and months
after your spouse's death

849
00:40:59,008 --> 00:41:01,389
and how to survive
the loneliness.

850
00:41:01,493 --> 00:41:02,839
For more information,

851
00:41:02,943 --> 00:41:05,463
talk with your pastor
or GriefShare leader.

852
00:41:17,164 --> 00:41:19,407
That is a real baptism,

853
00:41:19,511 --> 00:41:22,790
not as a ritual baptism,
which is by water.

854
00:41:22,894 --> 00:41:24,792
Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

855
00:41:24,896 --> 00:41:26,760
Notice the difference
between the symbolism

856
00:41:26,863 --> 00:41:27,933
and the real thing.

857
00:41:28,037 --> 00:41:29,314
Turn right.

858
00:41:29,417 --> 00:41:31,696
Just going offroad mode.

859
00:41:31,799 --> 00:41:34,250
We are going offroad.

860
00:41:34,353 --> 00:41:37,495
This is some kind of road
to church.

861
00:41:37,598 --> 00:41:43,052
So we are heading to
the Peace Lutheran Church today

862
00:41:43,155 --> 00:41:45,675
to, uh, speak
to Pastor Zandt.

863
00:41:52,337 --> 00:41:54,891
I've been in ministry now
for 18 years.

864
00:41:54,995 --> 00:41:58,170
I've said this to my leaders,
my congregation --

865
00:41:58,274 --> 00:42:00,828
the most, if you will,
successful form

866
00:42:00,932 --> 00:42:03,106
of connecting
God's love

867
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:04,901
to these people
in their lives

868
00:42:05,005 --> 00:42:07,663
has been
at the moment of grief,

869
00:42:07,766 --> 00:42:10,942
and GriefShare
has been a part of that.

870
00:42:11,045 --> 00:42:13,669
Hi, I'm Kathy Fallon,
and I'm super excited

871
00:42:13,772 --> 00:42:15,291
to let you know
that starting today,

872
00:42:15,394 --> 00:42:18,501
people can register
for you groups online.

873
00:42:18,605 --> 00:42:21,124
They have a leader portal
that you can get on

874
00:42:21,228 --> 00:42:23,886
and access some of
their publicity materials.

875
00:42:23,989 --> 00:42:26,164
They have things
specifically designed

876
00:42:26,267 --> 00:42:28,511
for bulletins and fliers,
newspaper ads,

877
00:42:28,615 --> 00:42:30,962
things that you can host
on Facebook,

878
00:42:31,065 --> 00:42:32,722
little videos
and so forth.

879
00:42:32,826 --> 00:42:35,207
Sometimes,
I forget Jodi's gone.

880
00:42:35,311 --> 00:42:37,900
I knew in my head,
you love God,

881
00:42:38,003 --> 00:42:40,627
you trust him, you pray.

882
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:43,975
And that doesn't guarantee
that things are gonna go well.

883
00:42:44,078 --> 00:42:47,392
GriefShare has been a tremendous
blessing to our church.

884
00:42:47,495 --> 00:42:50,395
This young woman that
went through an amazing loss

885
00:42:50,498 --> 00:42:53,156
in her life,
she was not a believer.

886
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:55,503
GriefShare --
the answers were given,

887
00:42:55,607 --> 00:42:58,817
and she gave her heart
and life to Jesus.

888
00:43:01,993 --> 00:43:03,684
And they have
a lot of sign-ups.

889
00:43:03,788 --> 00:43:04,996
I saw each month,
it's --

890
00:43:05,099 --> 00:43:06,722
it grows exponentially
really fast.

891
00:43:06,825 --> 00:43:08,102
Yes,
it does, yes,

892
00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:11,692
and they have
new types of entry events.

893
00:43:11,796 --> 00:43:13,729
They have
"Surviving the Holidays,"

894
00:43:13,832 --> 00:43:16,455
those who are preparing
for Thanksgiving, Christmas,

895
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:19,113
as you know,
very difficult times,

896
00:43:19,217 --> 00:43:21,253
to give you tools
to help you through that,

897
00:43:21,357 --> 00:43:23,117
and then
they introduce you

898
00:43:23,221 --> 00:43:25,603
to the 13-week series
of GriefShare, uh,

899
00:43:25,706 --> 00:43:28,088
to give you a taste
of what that's like.

900
00:43:28,191 --> 00:43:30,055
Skeptics.

901
00:43:34,577 --> 00:43:37,269
A man of science,

902
00:43:37,373 --> 00:43:39,513
but a man of faith,
and he stood in front of me.

903
00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:41,584
And when he would stand
in front of the people

904
00:43:41,688 --> 00:43:42,896
and teach them the prayer,

905
00:43:42,999 --> 00:43:44,725
you know
how he explained prayer?

906
00:43:44,829 --> 00:43:47,452
He said, "It's simply this --
it's a chit-chat with God."

907
00:43:49,972 --> 00:43:51,698
Chit-chat with God.

908
00:43:51,801 --> 00:43:56,357
In the late '90s, that's when
the church growth movement

909
00:43:56,461 --> 00:43:57,876
was at its height.

910
00:43:57,980 --> 00:44:00,741
You know, you had the Saddleback
community churches,

911
00:44:00,845 --> 00:44:05,297
you had the Willow Creek's
model for outreach.

912
00:44:05,401 --> 00:44:07,714
There is to some extent
an expectation

913
00:44:07,817 --> 00:44:11,890
or a pressure many times
from the congregation to conform

914
00:44:11,994 --> 00:44:14,306
or to try to find outreach

915
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:17,413
similar or reflective of
some of the great models

916
00:44:17,516 --> 00:44:21,313
that came out of Saddleback
and in Willow Creek.

917
00:44:21,417 --> 00:44:23,661
He wrestled with God. All the...

918
00:44:23,764 --> 00:44:26,594
For me personally,
ministry has been a challenge.

919
00:44:26,698 --> 00:44:29,252
We're seeing in the midst
of Christianity

920
00:44:29,356 --> 00:44:31,669
schisms left and right, um,

921
00:44:31,772 --> 00:44:34,154
that trickles down
into the congregation.

922
00:44:34,257 --> 00:44:36,294
The institution of church
in the states

923
00:44:36,397 --> 00:44:38,089
is so powerful
and so moneyed.

924
00:44:38,192 --> 00:44:40,436
Do you ever worry
about exploitation,

925
00:44:40,539 --> 00:44:42,196
about the churches
not being

926
00:44:42,300 --> 00:44:44,302
what Christianity
is supposed to be?

927
00:44:44,405 --> 00:44:46,028
Do you see
examples of that?

928
00:44:46,131 --> 00:44:47,685
Do I worry about it?Yeah.

929
00:44:47,788 --> 00:44:50,066
Every single day.

930
00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:51,896
Every single day.

931
00:44:54,312 --> 00:44:56,694
David was a great guy
and a really good church.

932
00:44:56,797 --> 00:45:01,077
You know, he seemed like he was,
um, part of a big system

933
00:45:01,181 --> 00:45:02,907
but not part
of the machinations of it,

934
00:45:03,010 --> 00:45:07,428
so what we needed to do is move
on to -- to a bigger church,

935
00:45:07,532 --> 00:45:09,672
something a little more mega.

936
00:45:14,953 --> 00:45:16,886
Where we rolling out of?

937
00:45:16,990 --> 00:45:18,888
Montgomery, Alabama.

938
00:45:21,201 --> 00:45:26,965
I used to live here
a long, long time ago.

939
00:45:27,069 --> 00:45:29,968
Not many stick around that much.

940
00:45:30,072 --> 00:45:32,660
We're headed to Fairhope now.

941
00:45:32,764 --> 00:45:34,766
It's my favorite part
of Alabama.

942
00:45:45,846 --> 00:45:46,916
Is the baby happy?

943
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:48,711
Yeah.

944
00:45:48,815 --> 00:45:51,679
Aww, is she staring out the --
is she staring out the sky?

945
00:45:51,783 --> 00:45:53,681
Yeah.

946
00:46:00,274 --> 00:46:01,620
Katalina?

947
00:46:01,724 --> 00:46:02,967
Hi, I'm Mike.Nice to meet you.

948
00:46:03,070 --> 00:46:04,175
This is Carrie.

949
00:46:04,278 --> 00:46:05,486
Hi, Carrie,
nice to meet you.

950
00:46:05,590 --> 00:46:08,351
I'm so glad
y'all are here with us today.

951
00:46:08,455 --> 00:46:10,077
This is
our office space,

952
00:46:10,181 --> 00:46:14,461
and, uh, kind of a -- kind of
a new space for us.

953
00:46:14,564 --> 00:46:16,221
Our different groups
like GriefShare

954
00:46:16,325 --> 00:46:18,672
that meets here
during the week.

955
00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:20,363
Okay,
that's great.

956
00:46:20,467 --> 00:46:22,400
So this
is where we meet.

957
00:46:22,503 --> 00:46:24,505
We average
about 13 people,

958
00:46:24,609 --> 00:46:27,094
but I think when we started,
there was about 20,

959
00:46:27,198 --> 00:46:29,510
25 people
that kind of enrolled.

960
00:46:29,614 --> 00:46:31,098
And so sometimes,
they can make it,

961
00:46:31,202 --> 00:46:33,756
sometimes,
they can't.

962
00:46:48,598 --> 00:46:50,877
The most amazing thing about
Celebrate Recovery

963
00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:56,710
is the idea of a person
who's been abused worshiping God

964
00:46:56,814 --> 00:46:59,817
in a room next to a person
who was an abuser,

965
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,302
and God's honored by it.

966
00:47:02,405 --> 00:47:03,959
I -- Do you understand?

967
00:47:04,062 --> 00:47:05,719
Do you know what I mean?

968
00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:08,964
That's what God's capable of
through Celebrate Recovery.

969
00:47:09,067 --> 00:47:11,656
That's the difference
between Celebrate Recovery

970
00:47:11,759 --> 00:47:14,486
and most other
recovery programs.

971
00:47:14,590 --> 00:47:17,075
So this building --
this was the original building,

972
00:47:17,179 --> 00:47:18,421
by the way,

973
00:47:18,525 --> 00:47:21,459
that was built here
in the year 2000.

974
00:47:21,562 --> 00:47:24,807
It has been
a number of different things.

975
00:47:27,016 --> 00:47:30,468
So if we continue walking,
this is our brand-new space.

976
00:47:30,571 --> 00:47:32,677
We've been --
We've been here

977
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:34,886
just four Sundays now.

978
00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:37,095
State-of-the-art
computer check-in.

979
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:38,303
Type in their name,

980
00:47:38,407 --> 00:47:40,236
and ups pops
all their information.

981
00:47:40,340 --> 00:47:42,998
You say, "Check in, my child,"
and it checks them in.

982
00:47:43,101 --> 00:47:45,069
And how big
is your congregation?

983
00:47:45,172 --> 00:47:48,037
On Sunday morning,
we typically --

984
00:47:48,141 --> 00:47:50,281
around 3,000 in total.

985
00:47:50,384 --> 00:47:52,628
So you've got quite
a young demographic, then.

986
00:47:52,731 --> 00:47:54,112
I do.
Lot of young families

987
00:47:54,216 --> 00:47:56,080
gather here with us
on Sunday mornings.

988
00:47:56,183 --> 00:47:58,289
Do you -- Do you make
specific efforts

989
00:47:58,392 --> 00:47:59,531
to -- to make that happen,
or is it just --

990
00:47:59,635 --> 00:48:00,774
We do, we do.

991
00:48:00,878 --> 00:48:03,639
We use a variety of tools
to -- to be able

992
00:48:03,742 --> 00:48:06,918
to, uh, kind of leverage
social media

993
00:48:07,022 --> 00:48:10,888
and modern technology
with, uh, with -- with church.

994
00:48:10,991 --> 00:48:12,682
It helps us attract people.

995
00:48:12,786 --> 00:48:16,238
It helps us to, uh, track teams.

996
00:48:16,341 --> 00:48:20,483
It helps us to keep track of all
the -- of the kids that are here

997
00:48:20,587 --> 00:48:23,693
and, um, and everything,
donations.

998
00:48:23,797 --> 00:48:25,281
We do Facebook Live on --

999
00:48:25,385 --> 00:48:27,283
we were talking about that
on the weekend,

1000
00:48:27,387 --> 00:48:29,630
so our services
are broadcast live.

1001
00:48:29,734 --> 00:48:31,356
Our preschool space,

1002
00:48:31,460 --> 00:48:34,049
where the --
our little ones gather.

1003
00:48:34,152 --> 00:48:35,395
Oh, this great.

1004
00:48:35,498 --> 00:48:38,087
This is new,
a new wall that they put in

1005
00:48:38,191 --> 00:48:39,951
to kind of give parents
an idea

1006
00:48:40,055 --> 00:48:42,712
of how much longer
they have with their children.

1007
00:48:42,816 --> 00:48:45,715
I had a lot of questions
about that baby wall.

1008
00:48:45,819 --> 00:48:48,649
I recognize that
from that church's app,

1009
00:48:48,753 --> 00:48:52,653
who did this countdown
to days of influence thing.

1010
00:48:52,757 --> 00:48:55,863
So each of the little
foam things in there

1011
00:48:55,967 --> 00:48:58,452
represents the --
the weeks that you have,

1012
00:48:58,556 --> 00:48:59,798
so as a baby,

1013
00:48:59,902 --> 00:49:03,699
you have 936 weeks
to influence your child.

1014
00:49:03,802 --> 00:49:06,012
You know, you can be sure
in that app

1015
00:49:06,115 --> 00:49:08,497
if you've got
your push notifications on,

1016
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,706
it's, uh, waking you up
and reminding you.

1017
00:49:10,809 --> 00:49:14,710
It's like, "You've only got
877 days to save your child."

1018
00:49:14,813 --> 00:49:18,886
It's a behavioral
design mechanism.

1019
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:21,337
And then when
you come over here,

1020
00:49:21,441 --> 00:49:25,341
when your child is now
a senior in high school,

1021
00:49:25,445 --> 00:49:27,861
you only have
52 weeks left.

1022
00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:30,450
Oh, don't make her cry.

1023
00:49:30,553 --> 00:49:32,072
That's really powerful.

1024
00:49:32,176 --> 00:49:33,487
It's very powerful
to me, just --

1025
00:49:33,591 --> 00:49:36,318
Yeah. Yeah.
Just a reminder of, you know,

1026
00:49:36,421 --> 00:49:38,285
the -- the top of the clock
is ticking

1027
00:49:38,389 --> 00:49:39,700
and time is limited

1028
00:49:39,804 --> 00:49:42,496
to -- to influence your child
for -- for good.

1029
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,084
How will you use
your time?

1030
00:49:44,188 --> 00:49:45,499
Yeah.

1031
00:49:45,603 --> 00:49:47,225
It's mostly software-based
where we can --

1032
00:49:47,329 --> 00:49:48,916
it's -- it's tracking.

1033
00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:52,334
It's really we're able to
custom tailor it to what we do,

1034
00:49:52,437 --> 00:49:53,783
how we track people,

1035
00:49:53,887 --> 00:49:55,854
how we want to communicate
with those people.

1036
00:49:55,958 --> 00:49:58,685
The data that you have on -- on
the people who already come --

1037
00:49:58,788 --> 00:50:01,688
Doesn't that help you reach
other people in the community?

1038
00:50:01,791 --> 00:50:03,862
Sure, sure. When you're talking
about, you know,

1039
00:50:03,966 --> 00:50:07,280
a database of 20,000 or so
people,

1040
00:50:07,383 --> 00:50:10,041
20,000 people
know a lot -- a lot of people,

1041
00:50:10,145 --> 00:50:13,527
so -- so it -- it --
it gets all over.

1042
00:50:13,631 --> 00:50:15,495
If you come to a point where --
where --

1043
00:50:15,598 --> 00:50:17,807
God's in control.

1044
00:50:35,791 --> 00:50:38,656
You can't go two miles here
without a church.

1045
00:50:38,759 --> 00:50:40,658
I have to say,
as a European,

1046
00:50:40,761 --> 00:50:42,453
seeing how powerful

1047
00:50:42,556 --> 00:50:45,076
and moneyed
these churches are,

1048
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:46,319
I'm -- I'm amazed.

1049
00:50:46,422 --> 00:50:48,700
Well,
Americans are big believers,

1050
00:50:48,804 --> 00:50:50,978
and a lot of that has to do
with money, too.

1051
00:50:51,082 --> 00:50:54,810
If you're British
and you are working-class,

1052
00:50:54,913 --> 00:50:57,399
it doesn't matter how much money
you make in your life,

1053
00:50:57,502 --> 00:50:59,159
you will always
be working class.

1054
00:50:59,263 --> 00:51:00,436
And if you're upper class,

1055
00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:02,473
it doesn't matter how much money
you lose

1056
00:51:02,576 --> 00:51:06,615
or how much reputation,
you will always be upper class.

1057
00:51:06,718 --> 00:51:08,168
True.

1058
00:51:08,272 --> 00:51:10,688
And in America, everybody's like
three paychecks away

1059
00:51:10,791 --> 00:51:12,862
from getting thrown out
of their house.

1060
00:51:12,966 --> 00:51:15,210
If you get rich,
then you can go in a restaurant

1061
00:51:15,313 --> 00:51:16,418
and flip the table over.

1062
00:51:16,521 --> 00:51:17,695
They're gonna invite you back

1063
00:51:17,798 --> 00:51:19,490
as long as you can pay
for the bill.

1064
00:51:19,593 --> 00:51:21,906
And if you are poor,
you're just out,

1065
00:51:22,009 --> 00:51:25,703
so nobody in America
really knows where they stand.

1066
00:51:25,806 --> 00:51:28,844
And when you don't know
where you stand,

1067
00:51:28,947 --> 00:51:34,125
then you have to invoke systems
that you can find your place in,

1068
00:51:34,229 --> 00:51:38,681
and so Americans
become real believers.

1069
00:51:38,785 --> 00:51:44,239
There's the battleship
USS Alabamajust over there.

1070
00:51:44,342 --> 00:51:48,277
Good eating, good drinking,
and it's damn good music.

1071
00:52:19,584 --> 00:52:21,897
It feels good every time
I get back to Alabama,

1072
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,486
and -- and it feels strange
at the same time.

1073
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:29,007
It's home and it's not home
simultaneously.

1074
00:52:29,111 --> 00:52:32,149
I spent about half my childhood
in deep South

1075
00:52:32,252 --> 00:52:34,565
and when I wasn't out traveling.

1076
00:52:34,668 --> 00:52:37,292
I identify with the South now,

1077
00:52:37,395 --> 00:52:40,674
even if I don't identify
with Southern politics.

1078
00:52:40,778 --> 00:52:44,022
I've been living in Europe
for 30 years,

1079
00:52:44,126 --> 00:52:45,748
although I've lost my accent.

1080
00:52:45,852 --> 00:52:49,649
You know when I go back home,
people think I'm Canadian.

1081
00:52:53,618 --> 00:52:55,931
At this point, my head was full.

1082
00:52:56,034 --> 00:52:59,900
Multiple companies that seemed
to be helping people,

1083
00:53:00,004 --> 00:53:02,869
but did they have a dark side?

1084
00:53:02,972 --> 00:53:05,251
I needed to see Chris Vickery.

1085
00:53:05,354 --> 00:53:07,736
With that hard drive
he brought to parliament,

1086
00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:11,809
he was the first person
who explained how it all worked.

1087
00:53:11,912 --> 00:53:14,536
I mean, what does the church
know about you data-wise?

1088
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:16,469
The church
doesn't need to know data-wise.

1089
00:53:16,572 --> 00:53:19,886
The church just needs to know
your name,

1090
00:53:19,989 --> 00:53:21,267
possibly your address...Mm-hmm.

1091
00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:22,613
...maybe your
phone number.

1092
00:53:22,716 --> 00:53:24,856
That's a good identifier,
too.

1093
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,479
Then United in Purpose

1094
00:53:26,582 --> 00:53:29,482
and -- or any other
big-data operation

1095
00:53:29,585 --> 00:53:32,243
has all the data already
about these different names.

1096
00:53:32,347 --> 00:53:34,072
The data
they don't necessarily have

1097
00:53:34,176 --> 00:53:35,695
is what church
you go to.

1098
00:53:35,798 --> 00:53:37,869
That's where the link
comes together.
Okay.

1099
00:53:37,973 --> 00:53:40,941
And so if they have, say,
a name and a phone number,

1100
00:53:41,045 --> 00:53:42,495
they can match it up
to everything else --

1101
00:53:42,598 --> 00:53:44,497
all your views,
the websites you go to,

1102
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,084
your --
your Facebook handle,

1103
00:53:46,188 --> 00:53:48,086
your Twitter commentary,
all that stuff.

1104
00:53:48,190 --> 00:53:50,330
And they've already got
a sentiment value on you,

1105
00:53:50,434 --> 00:53:51,607
and they know
whether or not

1106
00:53:51,711 --> 00:53:54,092
you're a likely
Trump voter or not.

1107
00:53:54,196 --> 00:53:56,267
They just need to know
what church you go to.

1108
00:53:56,371 --> 00:53:57,682
I'm from
the Bible Belt.

1109
00:53:57,786 --> 00:54:00,271
This is my community.
You know, it touches me.

1110
00:54:00,375 --> 00:54:02,446
This is people I went
to high school with.

1111
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:03,930
This is
people that I know.

1112
00:54:04,033 --> 00:54:05,207
They are learning

1113
00:54:05,311 --> 00:54:07,244
who is likely to be
a drug addict,

1114
00:54:07,347 --> 00:54:10,143
who is likely to be, uh,
going through a divorce

1115
00:54:10,247 --> 00:54:12,697
because, uh, well, they don't
come out and say this,

1116
00:54:12,801 --> 00:54:15,217
but, uh, those are
the types of people

1117
00:54:15,321 --> 00:54:17,254
that are
easily manipulated.

1118
00:54:17,357 --> 00:54:21,292
Chris Vickery made it clear that
this whole thing was political.

1119
00:54:21,396 --> 00:54:24,813
Um, the voter-record leak
was from United in Purpose,

1120
00:54:24,916 --> 00:54:26,435
a company that was founded

1121
00:54:26,539 --> 00:54:31,889
by a guy who had been
convicted for embezzlement.

1122
00:54:31,992 --> 00:54:36,065
Um, my concern, though,
was on the big prize,

1123
00:54:36,169 --> 00:54:37,860
which is the 2020 election.

1124
00:54:37,964 --> 00:54:39,483
Could you maybe talk
a little bit about

1125
00:54:39,586 --> 00:54:42,969
how somebody would use
a third-party data set

1126
00:54:43,072 --> 00:54:44,453
for a church app,

1127
00:54:44,557 --> 00:54:47,076
that -- how that can then
be used politically?

1128
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:48,423
Well...

1129
00:54:48,526 --> 00:54:51,633
if you can figure out
that 95%

1130
00:54:51,736 --> 00:54:54,118
of the people
that are interested in Thing A

1131
00:54:54,221 --> 00:54:57,259
are overlapping with people
that tend

1132
00:54:57,363 --> 00:54:59,744
to join your church
in your area,

1133
00:54:59,848 --> 00:55:02,678
then you don't need
to guess and target --

1134
00:55:02,782 --> 00:55:06,475
you can target the people in
your area that have Trait A.

1135
00:55:06,579 --> 00:55:09,478
If you know
that this person

1136
00:55:09,582 --> 00:55:11,860
buys these things
at the grocery store

1137
00:55:11,963 --> 00:55:14,483
and you know that their friend,
you know, Beth,

1138
00:55:14,587 --> 00:55:17,072
comes to the same church,
has a kid about the same age,

1139
00:55:17,175 --> 00:55:19,454
but you don't have her
grocery-store information,

1140
00:55:19,557 --> 00:55:22,284
If you have three other friends
that you do,

1141
00:55:22,388 --> 00:55:24,493
you can pretty much guess
that she buys

1142
00:55:24,597 --> 00:55:27,669
about the same type of brands
that these other ones do.

1143
00:55:27,772 --> 00:55:30,050
So even though you only have
one little spoke here,

1144
00:55:30,154 --> 00:55:31,362
it feeds back into

1145
00:55:31,466 --> 00:55:33,433
the main data pool
of predictability,

1146
00:55:33,537 --> 00:55:35,297
and all of a sudden,
you have this ability

1147
00:55:35,401 --> 00:55:38,093
to enumerate things
about Beth

1148
00:55:38,196 --> 00:55:42,477
or you can draw it out
in -- in other teasing ways.

1149
00:55:42,580 --> 00:55:43,857
But someone might say,

1150
00:55:43,961 --> 00:55:46,066
"It's just my name
and my phone number."

1151
00:55:46,170 --> 00:55:47,965
For one individual,
yes.

1152
00:55:48,068 --> 00:55:49,276
With one person,

1153
00:55:49,380 --> 00:55:51,865
it's like
one single grain of gunpowder,

1154
00:55:51,969 --> 00:55:53,280
the explosive powder,

1155
00:55:53,384 --> 00:55:54,903
and you can, you know,
light that with a match.

1156
00:55:55,006 --> 00:55:57,699
And, you know, that was fun.
You know, no harm done.

1157
00:55:57,802 --> 00:56:00,667
But when you've got, uh,
a huge pile of it,

1158
00:56:00,771 --> 00:56:02,117
you don't want a match
to get anywhere near it

1159
00:56:02,220 --> 00:56:04,050
because it'll kill you.

1160
00:56:04,153 --> 00:56:06,432
They will go to
a big megachurch,

1161
00:56:06,535 --> 00:56:09,435
get the pastor,
preacher,

1162
00:56:09,538 --> 00:56:12,886
to give them a database
of members of the church,

1163
00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:15,889
and they'll run it through
their systems and figure out

1164
00:56:15,993 --> 00:56:18,444
who's registered to vote
and who isn't.

1165
00:56:18,547 --> 00:56:20,273
And they will identify

1166
00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:23,276
people that are
registered to vote,

1167
00:56:23,380 --> 00:56:25,140
like the social conservative,

1168
00:56:25,243 --> 00:56:27,694
Republican conservative
type feelings,

1169
00:56:27,798 --> 00:56:30,939
very anti-gay,
very anti-abortion,

1170
00:56:31,042 --> 00:56:32,492
very hard line,

1171
00:56:32,596 --> 00:56:34,252
and they'll find
one of those people

1172
00:56:34,356 --> 00:56:35,668
and make them
into a champion.

1173
00:56:35,771 --> 00:56:37,980
And then
it's up to the champion

1174
00:56:38,084 --> 00:56:39,879
that is
a registered voter

1175
00:56:39,982 --> 00:56:44,297
to convince the non-registered
congregation members

1176
00:56:44,401 --> 00:56:46,851
that feel the same way
to register to vote,

1177
00:56:46,955 --> 00:56:49,889
so it's a very selective
cherry picking of,

1178
00:56:49,992 --> 00:56:53,237
"We want these certain types
of religious people

1179
00:56:53,340 --> 00:56:55,860
to register to vote
and then vote."

1180
00:56:55,964 --> 00:56:58,898
It's all there on paper, but,
uh, when you map it all out,

1181
00:56:59,001 --> 00:57:01,487
it looks like
one of those conspiracy boards.

1182
00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:08,183
Conspiracies happen behind
closed doors with unnamed actors

1183
00:57:08,286 --> 00:57:10,254
attempting to deceive
the public.

1184
00:57:10,357 --> 00:57:11,807
They happen in the dark.

1185
00:57:11,911 --> 00:57:14,879
This is happening in large part
out in the open.

1186
00:57:14,983 --> 00:57:16,881
They're using
the tools of democracy

1187
00:57:16,985 --> 00:57:18,987
to dismantle democracy.

1188
00:57:19,090 --> 00:57:21,679
It's not really that
they're trying to deceive us.

1189
00:57:21,783 --> 00:57:24,889
It's that we're not listening.

1190
00:57:24,993 --> 00:57:27,305
I'm always online trawling

1191
00:57:27,409 --> 00:57:29,687
and I'm paying
a lot of attention to the news,

1192
00:57:29,791 --> 00:57:33,484
and on Chris' Twitter feed,

1193
00:57:33,588 --> 00:57:35,279
this journalist and author
pops up.

1194
00:57:35,382 --> 00:57:36,936
Her name is Anne Nelson,

1195
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:41,527
and she's suddenly talking about
an organization

1196
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:46,393
that seems connected
to every aspect of this.

1197
00:57:46,497 --> 00:57:48,465
That's the
Council for National Policy,

1198
00:57:48,568 --> 00:57:51,019
and Bingo, there we are.

1199
00:57:51,122 --> 00:57:54,919
This is a defining moment
for our generation.

1200
00:57:55,023 --> 00:57:57,474
And our people need leaders.

1201
00:57:57,577 --> 00:58:01,374
Pastor, lead,
and the people will follow.

1202
00:58:05,965 --> 00:58:08,692
America is crying out
for leaders.

1203
00:58:08,795 --> 00:58:16,665
We see what happens when we
don't elect and choose leaders.

1204
00:58:16,769 --> 00:58:20,082
America is ailing.

1205
00:58:20,186 --> 00:58:24,742
America is dying
for the lack of leaders.

1206
00:58:29,989 --> 00:58:31,542
Anne was about to launch a book

1207
00:58:31,646 --> 00:58:32,819
with the Texas Book Festival,

1208
00:58:32,923 --> 00:58:35,270
so it was
back on the road again.

1209
00:58:35,373 --> 00:58:39,308
This time, I took my mother,
who's a writer, Judith Richards.

1210
00:58:41,518 --> 00:58:43,692
How is it driving
in this weather?

1211
00:58:43,796 --> 00:58:48,870
Um, I'm aware that everyone
I love is in the car.

1212
00:58:48,973 --> 00:58:50,803
How did you come across
this story?

1213
00:58:50,906 --> 00:58:54,047
I came across it visiting
my family in Oklahoma...

1214
00:58:58,673 --> 00:59:02,297
...driving to Walmart
and having the radio on

1215
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,544
and idly turning this --
the tuner to a different station

1216
00:59:07,647 --> 00:59:11,271
and coming across
a fundamentalist broadcaster.

1217
00:59:11,375 --> 00:59:13,722
Dobson: The homosexual community
will tell us

1218
00:59:13,826 --> 00:59:16,104
that transformations
never occur,

1219
00:59:16,207 --> 00:59:18,347
that you cannot change.

1220
00:59:18,451 --> 00:59:21,696
We did research
on those who attended

1221
00:59:21,799 --> 00:59:25,423
just one of a number of
ministries for at least a year,

1222
00:59:25,527 --> 00:59:27,874
and out of those,
38% of the people

1223
00:59:27,978 --> 00:59:30,463
who attended
this large ministry

1224
00:59:30,567 --> 00:59:32,879
no longer struggle
with homosexuality.

1225
00:59:32,983 --> 00:59:34,881
Those are success stories,
as well.

1226
00:59:34,985 --> 00:59:36,227
Even if they struggle,

1227
00:59:36,331 --> 00:59:38,436
if they continue
to walk with Jesus,

1228
00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:41,094
that's a win
for the kingdom of God.

1229
00:59:41,198 --> 00:59:44,132
At the time, I thought,
"Well, this must be

1230
00:59:44,235 --> 00:59:48,688
just some local outlet
with this opinion,"

1231
00:59:48,792 --> 00:59:50,345
and then when I pursued it,

1232
00:59:50,448 --> 00:59:54,452
I found out it was part
of a network of 100 stations

1233
00:59:54,556 --> 00:59:58,664
that was part of
a trio of networks, radio,

1234
00:59:58,767 --> 01:00:00,976
and then multimedia platforms.

1235
01:00:22,135 --> 01:00:24,724
I just kind of followed
the media analysis

1236
01:00:24,828 --> 01:00:27,244
back to
the Council for National Policy,

1237
01:00:27,347 --> 01:00:28,659
which I'd never heard of

1238
01:00:28,763 --> 01:00:31,317
until I-I did this research
two years ago.

1239
01:00:34,596 --> 01:00:36,874
What is
the Council for National Policy?

1240
01:00:36,978 --> 01:00:41,845
The Council for National Policy
is a network of organizations

1241
01:00:41,948 --> 01:00:45,124
interested in advancing
an ultra-conservative agenda.

1242
01:00:45,227 --> 01:00:47,678
The meetings are secret.
The membership is secret.

1243
01:00:47,782 --> 01:00:53,270
The publications for the public
are next to non-existent.

1244
01:00:53,373 --> 01:00:55,686
We're here.

1245
01:00:58,413 --> 01:01:00,415
It's all well and good
to be a one-man band,

1246
01:01:00,518 --> 01:01:02,659
but I'm no
investigative journalist.

1247
01:01:02,762 --> 01:01:04,419
I needed to understand it all,

1248
01:01:04,522 --> 01:01:06,628
so I called in
the troops in Texas.

1249
01:01:16,845 --> 01:01:18,295
Anne Nelson
has received

1250
01:01:18,398 --> 01:01:20,090
a Livingston Award
for journalism

1251
01:01:20,193 --> 01:01:22,679
and a Guggenheim Fellowship
for her historical research.

1252
01:01:22,782 --> 01:01:24,715
A graduate
of Yale University,

1253
01:01:24,819 --> 01:01:26,959
she's taught at Columbia
University for over two decades.

1254
01:01:27,062 --> 01:01:29,306
She's a member of
the Council on Foreign Relations

1255
01:01:29,409 --> 01:01:31,204
and the New York Council
on the Humanities.

1256
01:01:31,308 --> 01:01:32,896
She's a native
of Oklahoma,

1257
01:01:32,999 --> 01:01:35,761
which we may talk about, uh,
and now lives in New York City,

1258
01:01:35,864 --> 01:01:37,866
and her book that we're here
to discuss today is

1259
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:39,488
"Shadow Network:
Media, Money,

1260
01:01:39,592 --> 01:01:41,870
and the Secret Hub
of the Radical Right."

1261
01:01:41,974 --> 01:01:43,561
The Council
for National Policy --

1262
01:01:43,665 --> 01:01:45,425
Kellyanne Conway is a member.

1263
01:01:45,529 --> 01:01:47,462
Steve Bannon is a member,

1264
01:01:47,565 --> 01:01:49,291
uh, and then I went through
the members

1265
01:01:49,395 --> 01:01:52,122
of Trump's
evangelical advisory council.

1266
01:01:52,225 --> 01:01:55,504
About a third of the members
of that council are members.

1267
01:01:55,608 --> 01:01:58,093
The influence is quite striking.

1268
01:01:58,197 --> 01:02:00,199
They have a social agenda,

1269
01:02:00,302 --> 01:02:02,684
which is to roll back civil
and political rights

1270
01:02:02,788 --> 01:02:05,929
for the LGBT community,
women, and others.

1271
01:02:06,032 --> 01:02:10,727
The three components tend to be
religious fundamentalists.

1272
01:02:10,830 --> 01:02:12,487
Another part of the hub is

1273
01:02:12,590 --> 01:02:15,662
is the extractive industries,
oil interests.

1274
01:02:15,766 --> 01:02:18,217
And the third component
are political operatives

1275
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,667
who have been trying to push
the Republican Party

1276
01:02:20,771 --> 01:02:23,256
to the right
since the Nixon administration.

1277
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,744
In order to achieve this,
they have to really reify

1278
01:02:27,847 --> 01:02:31,886
the idea of the United States
as a Christian nation

1279
01:02:31,989 --> 01:02:35,682
in which their form
of Christianity is dominant.

1280
01:02:35,786 --> 01:02:37,719
It involves allowing
their churches

1281
01:02:37,823 --> 01:02:40,273
and their religious
organizations to function

1282
01:02:40,377 --> 01:02:44,657
as full-fledged
partisan political activists

1283
01:02:44,761 --> 01:02:47,177
while maintaining
their tax-exempt status.

1284
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,457
June 21, 2016, they invited
a thousand fundamentals leaders

1285
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:56,117
to New York City to meet Trump
on his home ground,

1286
01:02:56,220 --> 01:02:57,532
and they cut a deal.

1287
01:02:57,635 --> 01:02:59,292
And the deal was
pretty transparently

1288
01:02:59,396 --> 01:03:00,984
that they would lend
their ground troops,

1289
01:03:01,087 --> 01:03:04,470
their data operations,
which were very advanced,

1290
01:03:04,573 --> 01:03:06,541
and their strategists
to the Trump campaign

1291
01:03:06,644 --> 01:03:10,787
in exchange for
three vital elements.

1292
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:14,445
One was allowing them
to fully participate

1293
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:16,482
in the selection
of federal judges.

1294
01:03:16,585 --> 01:03:20,244
One was an evangelical council
that was dominated by members

1295
01:03:20,348 --> 01:03:21,970
of the
Council for National Policy.

1296
01:03:22,074 --> 01:03:24,490
The religious leaders in
the Council for National Policy

1297
01:03:24,593 --> 01:03:28,080
have been -- become converts.

1298
01:03:28,183 --> 01:03:33,499
Many of them were Never Trumpers
before June 2016,

1299
01:03:33,602 --> 01:03:38,090
and they decided that Trump,
if he was not a manof God,

1300
01:03:38,193 --> 01:03:40,057
could be an instrumentof God.

1301
01:03:40,161 --> 01:03:42,819
They call him Cyrus
after the Persian king

1302
01:03:42,922 --> 01:03:45,476
who helped restore the Jews
to Jerusalem,

1303
01:03:45,580 --> 01:03:47,651
and Cyrus was not a man of God.

1304
01:03:47,754 --> 01:03:49,239
He was an instrument of God.

1305
01:03:49,342 --> 01:03:51,862
Their theorists
will say outright

1306
01:03:51,966 --> 01:03:57,661
that the American government
is slated for destruction.

1307
01:03:57,764 --> 01:04:00,388
They think
that it should be destroyed.

1308
01:04:00,491 --> 01:04:01,872
In that way,

1309
01:04:01,976 --> 01:04:05,876
they hope to use Trump
as God's wrecking ball.

1310
01:04:18,993 --> 01:04:20,615
By the time we arrived,

1311
01:04:20,718 --> 01:04:24,239
Brent had a surprise for us --
the Council for National Policy.

1312
01:04:28,312 --> 01:04:29,935
You hacked them?

1313
01:04:30,038 --> 01:04:34,491
No, no, no, they're just really
poorly organized websites,

1314
01:04:34,594 --> 01:04:39,289
so if I -- what I did was
I tried a few search terms

1315
01:04:39,392 --> 01:04:44,121
and landed by accident on a
"This page doesn't exist" page.

1316
01:04:44,225 --> 01:04:46,089
And it gave me
a complete archive

1317
01:04:46,192 --> 01:04:47,573
of the structure of the website,

1318
01:04:47,676 --> 01:04:49,886
plus the search function
that was for members only,

1319
01:04:49,989 --> 01:04:52,647
and from there,
you could basically map out

1320
01:04:52,750 --> 01:04:55,857
their entire operation
from 2015 onwards.

1321
01:04:55,961 --> 01:04:58,964
The D. James Kennedy Center
for Christian Leadership

1322
01:04:59,067 --> 01:05:03,900
is training the next generation
of leaders to stand for Christ.

1323
01:05:04,003 --> 01:05:06,488
And for the many Christians
that I bump into that say,

1324
01:05:06,592 --> 01:05:08,559
you know, "God's written off
Washington, D.C.,"

1325
01:05:08,663 --> 01:05:10,492
I just laugh and say,
"You ought to come

1326
01:05:10,596 --> 01:05:12,356
and see what God's doing
on this hill."

1327
01:05:12,460 --> 01:05:14,289
It's one thing to be a Christian

1328
01:05:14,393 --> 01:05:15,912
and feel that calling of God,

1329
01:05:16,015 --> 01:05:18,673
but how much better if
they're really equipped

1330
01:05:18,776 --> 01:05:20,882
so that when they get --
get there,

1331
01:05:20,986 --> 01:05:23,678
people put their faith in them
voting for them,

1332
01:05:23,781 --> 01:05:25,404
when they get to office,

1333
01:05:25,507 --> 01:05:27,820
they really know
how to make a difference.

1334
01:05:27,924 --> 01:05:30,685
They've concentrated
on winning state houses,

1335
01:05:30,788 --> 01:05:34,206
something that has been
neglected by the Democrats,

1336
01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:37,381
and through
coordinated rewriting of laws

1337
01:05:37,485 --> 01:05:41,661
through states
that pass restrictive laws,

1338
01:05:41,765 --> 01:05:45,838
and if they achieve a certain
percentage of the state houses

1339
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:48,392
with Republican governments
that support their agenda,

1340
01:05:48,496 --> 01:05:50,912
they can call
a constitutional convention.

1341
01:05:51,016 --> 01:05:53,328
There, they could do
a large-scale transformation

1342
01:05:53,432 --> 01:05:56,228
of the US government principles.

1343
01:05:56,331 --> 01:05:58,230
What's a
constitutional convention?

1344
01:05:58,333 --> 01:06:00,853
Oh, it's where the states
get together

1345
01:06:00,957 --> 01:06:07,239
and decide whether and how
to rewrite the US Constitution.

1346
01:06:07,342 --> 01:06:10,863
It hasn't happened
for a long time.

1347
01:06:10,967 --> 01:06:13,866
There's two ways to rewrite
the US Constitution --

1348
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:15,868
the hard way and the easy way.

1349
01:06:15,972 --> 01:06:19,216
The hard way is that
you go state by state,

1350
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,459
amendment by amendment,

1351
01:06:20,562 --> 01:06:22,599
and nobody gets anywhere
that way,

1352
01:06:22,702 --> 01:06:26,741
especially if you want to
reengineer the entire document.

1353
01:06:26,844 --> 01:06:29,502
The easy way,
or at least the way they see it,

1354
01:06:29,606 --> 01:06:31,918
is that you call
a constitutional convention.

1355
01:06:32,022 --> 01:06:35,888
Now, to do that, you have to get
2/3 of state legislatures

1356
01:06:35,992 --> 01:06:39,409
to call a constitutional
convention around a --

1357
01:06:39,512 --> 01:06:41,480
at least a single issue,

1358
01:06:41,583 --> 01:06:44,379
but once the convention
has been called,

1359
01:06:44,483 --> 01:06:48,418
then you can introduce whatever
other issues you want to.

1360
01:06:48,521 --> 01:06:52,629
So you have the opportunity
to rewrite the whole thing.

1361
01:06:52,732 --> 01:06:55,701
You can handle
marriage equality.

1362
01:06:55,804 --> 01:06:57,910
You can handle issues
of women's rights,

1363
01:06:58,014 --> 01:07:02,432
abortion, federal regulation,
term limits.

1364
01:07:02,535 --> 01:07:04,434
Hi, CNP friends.
Father Frank Pavone here,

1365
01:07:04,537 --> 01:07:06,091
national director
of Priests for Life.

1366
01:07:06,194 --> 01:07:07,851
Thank you for all your support

1367
01:07:07,954 --> 01:07:10,129
and collaboration of us --
with us

1368
01:07:10,233 --> 01:07:12,338
at Priests for Life
for ending abortion.

1369
01:07:12,442 --> 01:07:14,616
I have here my MAGA hat,

1370
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,515
which I'm sure
that many of you have,

1371
01:07:16,618 --> 01:07:18,896
and I wear it proudly.
Many people say,

1372
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,071
"Oh, I've never seen a priest
wearing that MAGA hat,"

1373
01:07:21,175 --> 01:07:24,902
but we're gonna go forward
with confidence into 2020

1374
01:07:25,006 --> 01:07:28,182
and reelect the most pro-life
president we've ever had.

1375
01:07:28,285 --> 01:07:31,909
I would like to recognize
some of our new members

1376
01:07:32,013 --> 01:07:35,534
that have joined the Board of
Governors and the Gold Circle,

1377
01:07:35,637 --> 01:07:38,502
um, and if you're here --
and I think everyone is here --

1378
01:07:38,606 --> 01:07:41,057
if you please stand, we'd just
simply like to recognize you

1379
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:42,472
and welcome you.

1380
01:07:42,575 --> 01:07:45,647
JP De Gance and his wife,
Christina De Gance.

1381
01:07:48,409 --> 01:07:49,617
De Gance was a member.

1382
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,239
Of course he was a member.

1383
01:07:51,343 --> 01:07:54,277
Here's what ties
everything together,

1384
01:07:54,380 --> 01:07:59,834
but really, De Gance is just one
small cog in this big machine

1385
01:07:59,937 --> 01:08:01,698
and this big power movement

1386
01:08:01,801 --> 01:08:04,252
that brings all these
companies together.

1387
01:08:04,356 --> 01:08:06,151
Well, thank you.
My name is JP De Gance.

1388
01:08:06,254 --> 01:08:09,602
I'm the founder
and president of Communio.

1389
01:08:13,399 --> 01:08:18,232
The initial pitch to donors
from John Paul De Gance

1390
01:08:18,335 --> 01:08:21,062
in the
Culture of Freedom Initiative

1391
01:08:21,166 --> 01:08:24,065
to the Philanthropy Roundtable
Summit,

1392
01:08:24,169 --> 01:08:26,378
he ran a webinar
for those donors

1393
01:08:26,481 --> 01:08:29,450
where he outlined the project.

1394
01:08:29,553 --> 01:08:33,419
Communio is an organization --
if I put my slides up --

1395
01:08:33,523 --> 01:08:36,146
serves churches
to strengthen marriages

1396
01:08:36,250 --> 01:08:38,321
and families
at a citywide scale.

1397
01:08:38,424 --> 01:08:40,944
Allpress: And it spells out
the political context

1398
01:08:41,047 --> 01:08:42,428
within which
this has been driven.

1399
01:08:42,532 --> 01:08:45,190
It had breakdowns
of the presidential elections

1400
01:08:45,293 --> 01:08:47,537
over a series of cycles
every four years,

1401
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,055
running through to the 2030s.

1402
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:51,644
They were looking at
state by state, uh,

1403
01:08:51,748 --> 01:08:55,441
what the differences in voting
patterns were based on marriage,

1404
01:08:55,545 --> 01:08:57,892
church attendance,
and religious affiliation,

1405
01:08:57,995 --> 01:09:00,722
which denomination
you belong to.

1406
01:09:00,826 --> 01:09:03,898
I get that
that's very good for the church

1407
01:09:04,001 --> 01:09:06,142
to follow its principles
of outreach

1408
01:09:06,245 --> 01:09:07,902
into the community
to help people.

1409
01:09:08,005 --> 01:09:10,767
What I'm not understanding
is what's the relationship

1410
01:09:10,870 --> 01:09:12,078
with the Republicans.

1411
01:09:12,182 --> 01:09:14,080
In the initial
pitch to donors

1412
01:09:14,184 --> 01:09:16,911
for the -- for the
microtargeting platform,

1413
01:09:17,014 --> 01:09:19,741
they identified
this demographic problem,

1414
01:09:19,845 --> 01:09:21,260
that there was
a very strong correlation

1415
01:09:21,364 --> 01:09:23,538
between non-church attendance

1416
01:09:23,642 --> 01:09:26,092
and people who don't vote
for Republicans.

1417
01:09:26,196 --> 01:09:29,510
Effectively, what they're saying
is we can engineer

1418
01:09:29,613 --> 01:09:33,099
a shift in the population
to get that extra percentage

1419
01:09:33,203 --> 01:09:34,825
we need of voters

1420
01:09:34,929 --> 01:09:38,657
who can tip the balance
within a particular electorate.

1421
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:40,417
My name is JP De Gance.

1422
01:09:40,521 --> 01:09:42,488
I'm the Executive Vice President
of the Philanthropy Roundtable.

1423
01:09:42,592 --> 01:09:43,765
I know many of you
on today's call

1424
01:09:43,869 --> 01:09:45,111
are joining us
for the first time

1425
01:09:45,215 --> 01:09:46,872
and aren't as familiar
with this project,

1426
01:09:46,975 --> 01:09:48,943
its goals, and what
it's accomplished to date,

1427
01:09:49,046 --> 01:09:51,083
so by way of some background,

1428
01:09:51,187 --> 01:09:52,774
the
Culture of Freedom Initiative

1429
01:09:52,878 --> 01:09:56,606
is a donor-led effort led by
a task force of business leaders

1430
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:59,125
and of differing faiths
from around the country.

1431
01:09:59,229 --> 01:10:00,472
We're going --
We'll go right over

1432
01:10:00,575 --> 01:10:03,095
into the intro of -- of --
of Will Held,

1433
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:04,683
who's our
Chief Operating Officer

1434
01:10:04,786 --> 01:10:06,029
of the
Culture of Freedom Initiative.

1435
01:10:06,132 --> 01:10:09,308
Will and I actually met
some years ago

1436
01:10:09,412 --> 01:10:13,070
when we both worked
for these, uh, brothers

1437
01:10:13,174 --> 01:10:15,659
out of Wichita, Kansas,
the Koch brothers,

1438
01:10:15,763 --> 01:10:17,316
and we were both --

1439
01:10:17,420 --> 01:10:19,939
we jokingly call ourselves
recovering political hacks.

1440
01:10:20,043 --> 01:10:22,425
So I'm going to skip over here
to the audience builder.

1441
01:10:22,528 --> 01:10:25,048
Right now, it defaults
to the entire United States,

1442
01:10:25,151 --> 01:10:28,776
so there's 206 million folks
in the database.

1443
01:10:28,879 --> 01:10:32,228
You can add the family dynamic
of "propensity for divorce."

1444
01:10:32,331 --> 01:10:34,575
You can model
a number of different behaviors

1445
01:10:34,678 --> 01:10:38,475
or tendencies towards behavior,
including opioid dependance,

1446
01:10:38,579 --> 01:10:41,202
um, different
mental-health disorders.

1447
01:10:41,306 --> 01:10:43,342
He modeled praying,
he modeled fasting,

1448
01:10:43,446 --> 01:10:45,655
He modeled mourning,
and he modeled weeping,

1449
01:10:45,758 --> 01:10:49,314
but he also ended up doing
something based upon the data.

1450
01:10:49,417 --> 01:10:50,694
They're targeting

1451
01:10:50,798 --> 01:10:53,076
extraordinarily vulnerable
individuals --

1452
01:10:53,179 --> 01:10:54,698
Young, struggling couples,

1453
01:10:54,802 --> 01:10:57,287
millennials who aren't gonna
be able to afford a house

1454
01:10:57,391 --> 01:11:00,186
or they may be trying to
make payments on a mortgage,

1455
01:11:00,290 --> 01:11:03,189
or they're struggling with all
the costs of medical insurance.

1456
01:11:03,293 --> 01:11:04,639
They struggling with
a member of the family

1457
01:11:04,743 --> 01:11:06,641
who may be having
a dependency problem.

1458
01:11:06,745 --> 01:11:08,988
So I go
into my church.

1459
01:11:09,092 --> 01:11:11,059
Yep.I fill out a survey.

1460
01:11:11,163 --> 01:11:12,578
Yep.

1461
01:11:12,682 --> 01:11:14,684
I trust the institution
I think is trying to help me.

1462
01:11:14,787 --> 01:11:18,722
I'm revealing myself emotionally
through this survey,

1463
01:11:18,826 --> 01:11:22,726
and then that information,
I believe,

1464
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:25,281
is being anonymized
for my church.

1465
01:11:25,384 --> 01:11:26,592
Yeah.

1466
01:11:26,696 --> 01:11:30,389
But then that information
ends up going where?

1467
01:11:30,493 --> 01:11:32,080
It goes into the database

1468
01:11:32,184 --> 01:11:33,703
for the Insights
microtargeting platform.

1469
01:11:33,806 --> 01:11:35,221
Also around the church

1470
01:11:35,325 --> 01:11:37,154
but who look like
they're credit-card-dependent

1471
01:11:37,258 --> 01:11:38,604
in order to pay their bills,

1472
01:11:38,708 --> 01:11:41,676
and they can basically
run marketing to this

1473
01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:45,301
custom-created audience through
a number of different platforms,

1474
01:11:45,404 --> 01:11:48,476
including the major
social-media platforms

1475
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:51,307
of Facebook and Twitter.

1476
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:54,896
This was a way of shifting
the demographic balance

1477
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:59,280
in key swing states in order to
build up a bigger pool

1478
01:11:59,384 --> 01:12:03,146
of potential
Republican presidential voters.

1479
01:12:03,249 --> 01:12:05,217
Looks like we're
going to be coming to Denver,

1480
01:12:05,321 --> 01:12:06,908
Fort Worth, and Austin.

1481
01:12:07,012 --> 01:12:08,876
We're beginning to work
with funders in those cities,

1482
01:12:08,979 --> 01:12:12,845
so if you're interested in
learning more, just come see me.

1483
01:12:12,949 --> 01:12:14,847
Thank you.

1484
01:12:17,712 --> 01:12:21,337
Do people
in churches know

1485
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:24,270
that their
personal information

1486
01:12:24,374 --> 01:12:25,893
is being gathered

1487
01:12:25,996 --> 01:12:28,689
to use
in political campaigns

1488
01:12:28,792 --> 01:12:31,070
for the Republicans
on the right?

1489
01:12:31,174 --> 01:12:33,487
No.

1490
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:36,006
The churches that were
actually, you know,

1491
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:37,353
doing a good job
in the past,

1492
01:12:37,456 --> 01:12:39,527
those churches
don't necessarily realize

1493
01:12:39,631 --> 01:12:41,529
that effectively,
those church leaders

1494
01:12:41,633 --> 01:12:45,395
in some of the smaller churches
are also being exploited.

1495
01:12:45,499 --> 01:12:47,466
If you have
a defense grade system,

1496
01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:49,468
a weapon system
of influence,

1497
01:12:49,572 --> 01:12:50,883
what it is
looking for

1498
01:12:50,987 --> 01:12:53,092
is the weaknesses
in people.

1499
01:12:53,196 --> 01:12:55,888
That influence is only really
necessary on the battlefield

1500
01:12:55,992 --> 01:12:57,683
to either break
the will of the enemy

1501
01:12:57,787 --> 01:12:59,754
or to bring together
the will of the -- of the people

1502
01:12:59,858 --> 01:13:01,100
who are uncommitted

1503
01:13:01,204 --> 01:13:03,102
that you want
to make committed to your cause.

1504
01:13:03,206 --> 01:13:04,863
Every preacher
we've talked to,

1505
01:13:04,966 --> 01:13:06,485
every pastor
we've talked to,

1506
01:13:06,589 --> 01:13:10,696
I'm not even sure
that they have a-an inkling

1507
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,146
of what's
going on here

1508
01:13:12,249 --> 01:13:14,390
in terms of what's happening
with the data

1509
01:13:14,493 --> 01:13:16,875
and the way
it's been obtained.

1510
01:13:16,978 --> 01:13:18,670
What do you think
the congregation would say

1511
01:13:18,773 --> 01:13:20,672
if they realized
that potentially,

1512
01:13:20,775 --> 01:13:22,432
a defense-grade system

1513
01:13:22,536 --> 01:13:25,124
of recognition
of their neurosis

1514
01:13:25,228 --> 01:13:27,023
to radicalize them
in a certain way

1515
01:13:27,126 --> 01:13:29,474
that is befitting of
a political party --

1516
01:13:29,577 --> 01:13:31,441
that is something like
that of George Orwell.

1517
01:13:31,545 --> 01:13:33,339
Where's the regulation?
Where's the rules?

1518
01:13:33,443 --> 01:13:36,273
And what the strategists
have done in this movement

1519
01:13:36,377 --> 01:13:38,724
is say, "Alright,
we don't have to win

1520
01:13:38,828 --> 01:13:40,105
the general election.

1521
01:13:40,208 --> 01:13:41,900
That's not the way
our system works."

1522
01:13:42,003 --> 01:13:44,005
You win the Electoral College.
How do you do that?

1523
01:13:44,109 --> 01:13:45,559
You go after
the swing states,

1524
01:13:45,662 --> 01:13:48,251
18 million people scattered
across 4 to 6 states.

1525
01:13:48,354 --> 01:13:50,115
We know
where they are.

1526
01:13:50,218 --> 01:13:52,497
So which ones
are in churches?

1527
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,500
Now we download the church
directories with the support

1528
01:13:55,603 --> 01:13:58,468
of the pastors
enlisted in this movement --

1529
01:13:58,572 --> 01:14:01,298
between 70,000 and 80,000
in the United States.

1530
01:14:01,402 --> 01:14:03,680
We will then compare
the -- the directories

1531
01:14:03,784 --> 01:14:05,095
with who's registered.

1532
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:06,442
Then we will decide

1533
01:14:06,545 --> 01:14:09,686
which of these voters
we want to activate.

1534
01:14:09,790 --> 01:14:11,930
We want
to discourage the others

1535
01:14:12,033 --> 01:14:14,311
from the same congregation,
right?

1536
01:14:14,415 --> 01:14:18,557
But on the face of it,
what the parishioners see is,

1537
01:14:18,661 --> 01:14:20,386
"You're an American.
Go vote.

1538
01:14:20,490 --> 01:14:21,802
We're gonna give you
a voter guide

1539
01:14:21,905 --> 01:14:25,426
that strongly suggests
how to vote."

1540
01:14:25,530 --> 01:14:27,255
Whoever was
financing Brexit

1541
01:14:27,359 --> 01:14:29,672
or whoever was
financing Trump,

1542
01:14:29,775 --> 01:14:31,674
they certainly want their pound
of flesh at the end of it.

1543
01:14:31,777 --> 01:14:33,399
People don't put millions,

1544
01:14:33,503 --> 01:14:35,505
tens of millions
into a campaign

1545
01:14:35,609 --> 01:14:37,265
unless they think they're
going to get a return
on their investment.

1546
01:14:37,369 --> 01:14:38,543
I can say that
for sure.

1547
01:14:38,646 --> 01:14:41,304
The ultimate position
to be in

1548
01:14:41,407 --> 01:14:44,687
in a state of war
is when your adversary

1549
01:14:44,790 --> 01:14:46,896
has no idea
that they're in a war.

1550
01:14:46,999 --> 01:14:48,587
The stakes
are that high,

1551
01:14:48,691 --> 01:14:52,108
and in fact,
these systems of civil society

1552
01:14:52,211 --> 01:14:55,180
that we've worked
so very, very hard to build,

1553
01:14:55,283 --> 01:14:57,423
they can crumble
and disappear.

1554
01:14:57,527 --> 01:14:59,460
We continue to offer up
our children

1555
01:14:59,564 --> 01:15:02,463
as living sacrifices to the
Moloch of government schools.

1556
01:15:02,567 --> 01:15:04,672
A lot of effort's been wasted
on school reform.

1557
01:15:04,776 --> 01:15:06,467
Government schools
are no more reformable

1558
01:15:06,571 --> 01:15:08,089
than Soviet collective farms.

1559
01:15:08,193 --> 01:15:11,679
This movement is attacking
a lot of the institutions

1560
01:15:11,783 --> 01:15:14,889
that taxpayers have formed
to care for people,

1561
01:15:14,993 --> 01:15:17,685
like the Affordable Care Act,
like public education,

1562
01:15:17,789 --> 01:15:19,894
and then
when they are defunded

1563
01:15:19,998 --> 01:15:21,378
and start to wobble,

1564
01:15:21,482 --> 01:15:23,104
they say,
"See, they're failing.

1565
01:15:23,208 --> 01:15:24,761
Come see
our parallel universe,

1566
01:15:24,865 --> 01:15:26,487
see our
fundamentalist schools,

1567
01:15:26,591 --> 01:15:28,282
see our so-called

1568
01:15:28,385 --> 01:15:31,872
Christian collective
health-care entities."

1569
01:15:31,975 --> 01:15:34,081
So they're trying
to set up institutions

1570
01:15:34,184 --> 01:15:35,979
that address
all of these needs

1571
01:15:36,083 --> 01:15:37,912
and make people
dependent on --

1572
01:15:38,016 --> 01:15:39,914
on their
entire superstructure.

1573
01:15:40,018 --> 01:15:41,260
I feel that Americans

1574
01:15:41,364 --> 01:15:44,056
have gotten lazy
about democracy.

1575
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:46,714
People say, "Oh,
why don't theydo something?"

1576
01:15:46,818 --> 01:15:49,027
And I say,
"Who do you think 'they' is?"

1577
01:15:54,308 --> 01:15:56,206
Today on Family Talk...

1578
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:58,692
Jesus is Lord
not just over the church.

1579
01:15:58,795 --> 01:16:01,142
He's Lord over government
and over the universe.

1580
01:16:01,246 --> 01:16:03,593
We need to start
acting like that.

1581
01:16:21,024 --> 01:16:26,512
I have a map of the second floor

1582
01:16:26,616 --> 01:16:29,205
of the Ritz-Carlton
in New Orleans.

1583
01:16:29,308 --> 01:16:33,243
This shows where
all the different sessions

1584
01:16:33,347 --> 01:16:35,073
of the
Council for National Policy

1585
01:16:35,176 --> 01:16:36,730
are going to be happening.

1586
01:16:36,833 --> 01:16:38,421
There's a big Catholic mass.

1587
01:16:38,524 --> 01:16:40,734
There's a board meeting
4:30 to 5:30,

1588
01:16:40,837 --> 01:16:42,701
and we have booked
this Vermilion Room.

1589
01:16:42,805 --> 01:16:45,221
My secret recorders are these.

1590
01:16:45,324 --> 01:16:48,534
It's your cross,
and it's an HD camera.

1591
01:16:48,638 --> 01:16:51,054
It's got a little camera in it.

1592
01:16:54,195 --> 01:16:57,440
You know, I'm gonna vote
for people that's more in line

1593
01:16:57,543 --> 01:16:59,131
with what
the Bible said.

1594
01:16:59,235 --> 01:17:02,100
Man #2: The founders
put in the impeachment clause

1595
01:17:02,203 --> 01:17:03,722
just so
if someone came in

1596
01:17:03,826 --> 01:17:06,691
and they were the worst villain
you ever saw in your life,

1597
01:17:06,794 --> 01:17:08,658
you had a way to be able
to write about it.

1598
01:17:08,762 --> 01:17:10,556
Well,
they impeached Clinton.Yeah.

1599
01:17:10,660 --> 01:17:12,041
And really,
nothing changed.

1600
01:17:12,144 --> 01:17:13,663
I didn't agree with the way
he was living his life,

1601
01:17:13,767 --> 01:17:16,459
but does that make him
not fit to be the president?

1602
01:17:16,562 --> 01:17:18,461
It's a mistake
back then.

1603
01:17:18,564 --> 01:17:20,083
It's an
even bigger mistake.

1604
01:17:20,187 --> 01:17:22,120
You know what I thought?
Man named Jesus.

1605
01:17:22,223 --> 01:17:24,260
In the end,
we're all sinners.

1606
01:17:30,197 --> 01:17:33,303
Hello.
- Hey, baby.
I miss you.

1607
01:17:33,407 --> 01:17:35,892
Just calling you to tell you
I'm in New Orleans.

1608
01:17:35,996 --> 01:17:39,724
I am just, uh, driving down
Canal Street.

1609
01:17:39,827 --> 01:17:43,072
There's a big police thing going
on across the street from me.

1610
01:17:43,175 --> 01:17:44,867
Trying to get
to my hotel.

1611
01:17:44,970 --> 01:17:47,145
I am so sorry
I'm not with you.

1612
01:17:47,248 --> 01:17:49,595
I am sorry
you're not with me, too.

1613
01:17:57,396 --> 01:17:58,674
I wasn't scared at first.

1614
01:17:58,777 --> 01:18:01,124
I thought I was on
a bit of an adventure.

1615
01:18:01,228 --> 01:18:02,643
You know, it's like, "Okay,

1616
01:18:02,747 --> 01:18:06,302
I'm going to get my microphones,
record undercover

1617
01:18:06,405 --> 01:18:08,753
at the
Council for National Policy

1618
01:18:08,856 --> 01:18:11,031
and, you know, be the first
person who's ever done it."

1619
01:18:11,134 --> 01:18:12,308
And it would be really exciting,

1620
01:18:12,411 --> 01:18:16,692
and I-I wasn't scared
about it at all.

1621
01:18:16,795 --> 01:18:20,626
But then I get there,
and they say, "Well, you know,

1622
01:18:20,730 --> 01:18:23,664
there's gonna be
no ins or outs to the hotel."

1623
01:18:23,768 --> 01:18:25,286
And I'm like,

1624
01:18:25,390 --> 01:18:27,288
"This is -- This is
the Ritz-Carlton, Canal Street.

1625
01:18:27,392 --> 01:18:29,290
What do you mean
no ins or outs to the hotel?

1626
01:18:29,394 --> 01:18:33,122
Who shuts down Canal Street?"

1627
01:18:33,225 --> 01:18:36,712
The plan had been
that I had booked

1628
01:18:36,815 --> 01:18:42,821
one of the rooms for lunch,
but then they canceled that.

1629
01:18:48,896 --> 01:18:50,656
They told us
there were going to be

1630
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:54,281
no in or outs between 10:00 a.m.
and 2:00 p.m.,

1631
01:18:54,384 --> 01:18:56,455
and I thought, "Fuck it,
I'll book breakfast

1632
01:18:56,559 --> 01:18:59,355
and just stay for a long time."

1633
01:18:59,458 --> 01:19:00,839
I'm in the hotel.

1634
01:19:00,943 --> 01:19:03,704
I can't even get out
of the hotel if I want to,

1635
01:19:03,808 --> 01:19:06,465
so I'm gonna wander around
and shoot what I can.

1636
01:19:15,647 --> 01:19:17,028
...and blessing we received,

1637
01:19:17,131 --> 01:19:18,926
and we now look forward
to another six hours

1638
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:22,067
in which we will receive that
which you would have us to know

1639
01:19:22,171 --> 01:19:24,656
to be
more effective missionaries

1640
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,487
and -- and soldiers for you.
Amen.

1641
01:19:28,591 --> 01:19:31,283
And we're going to do
during this luncheon time

1642
01:19:31,387 --> 01:19:36,495
is to provide expertise
in how you can judge

1643
01:19:36,599 --> 01:19:39,567
the best place
to give your assets.

1644
01:19:39,671 --> 01:19:41,155
Talk to me
about what you saw.

1645
01:19:41,259 --> 01:19:42,778
You know, I saw a lot of stuff.

1646
01:19:42,881 --> 01:19:44,710
I saw a lot of business
being done.

1647
01:19:44,814 --> 01:19:47,506
That's one of the things
that I came away from with this.

1648
01:19:47,610 --> 01:19:50,509
Like, man, there's a lot of
money floating around,

1649
01:19:50,613 --> 01:19:54,997
a lot of arrogance,
a lot of power.

1650
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:58,448
Many of you, and we, too,
on executive committee,

1651
01:19:58,552 --> 01:20:01,486
have expressed a need to --
for the conservative movement

1652
01:20:01,589 --> 01:20:04,489
to be as organized,
especially as we approach 2020.

1653
01:20:04,592 --> 01:20:08,700
Today, we are offering you
an entrepreneurial look

1654
01:20:08,804 --> 01:20:12,083
at how you might become
an activist on your own.

1655
01:20:12,186 --> 01:20:15,189
So the election taught us
it's broken up,

1656
01:20:15,293 --> 01:20:17,467
and the churches
aren't networking.

1657
01:20:17,571 --> 01:20:21,333
Could we apply what we know
about media to that

1658
01:20:21,437 --> 01:20:22,887
and float the idea

1659
01:20:22,990 --> 01:20:26,683
to a policy organization
in California, which we've done?

1660
01:20:26,787 --> 01:20:28,340
And we will fund
a division in there,

1661
01:20:28,444 --> 01:20:30,860
and they'll do nothing but try
and network the churches.

1662
01:20:30,964 --> 01:20:33,207
So this is super quick, right?

1663
01:20:33,311 --> 01:20:34,864
We can do that fast.

1664
01:20:34,968 --> 01:20:36,693
Going up or down?

1665
01:20:36,797 --> 01:20:39,455
Going up, yeah.

1666
01:20:41,664 --> 01:20:44,115
Are we funding the past

1667
01:20:44,218 --> 01:20:45,702
or are we funding the future?

1668
01:20:45,806 --> 01:20:48,291
Talked with JP De Gance,
who has Communio,

1669
01:20:48,395 --> 01:20:50,328
who's -- who's working
on saving marriages

1670
01:20:50,431 --> 01:20:52,675
and lowering divorce rates
in key cities

1671
01:20:52,778 --> 01:20:56,713
with a very innovative
almost franchise concept

1672
01:20:56,817 --> 01:20:58,508
where they take something,
what works in one city

1673
01:20:58,612 --> 01:21:01,787
and replicates it in the other,
and it's pretty exciting.

1674
01:21:01,891 --> 01:21:03,824
Connelly: There are about 36
electoral votes

1675
01:21:03,928 --> 01:21:05,688
to play with in the election.

1676
01:21:05,791 --> 01:21:08,070
Donald Trump won Michigan
by 12,000 votes

1677
01:21:08,173 --> 01:21:09,692
at 16 electoral votes.

1678
01:21:09,795 --> 01:21:12,798
Pennsylvania's 20,
and Wisconsin's 10.

1679
01:21:12,902 --> 01:21:16,423
The line in the middle, you see,
is the line you cannot cross.

1680
01:21:16,526 --> 01:21:18,701
My attorneys at both the state
and the federal level

1681
01:21:18,804 --> 01:21:20,392
spent an enormous amount
of time.

1682
01:21:20,496 --> 01:21:22,084
Think about it.

1683
01:21:22,187 --> 01:21:25,294
We've identified key voters.
We know they want to go our way.

1684
01:21:25,397 --> 01:21:27,606
It's like what I do
with pastors now with my C3.

1685
01:21:27,710 --> 01:21:29,332
We can't give that
to the campaign

1686
01:21:29,436 --> 01:21:30,816
when they need it the most.

1687
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:32,508
So, we've got to figure out
how to do that.

1688
01:21:44,554 --> 01:21:47,178
Some groups have to
disclose the donors.

1689
01:21:47,281 --> 01:21:48,731
Others don't.
What's dark money?

1690
01:21:48,834 --> 01:21:50,457
This is the big phrase.

1691
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,287
But it's political spending
that's meant to influence voters

1692
01:21:53,391 --> 01:21:56,290
where money is not disclosed,
and sources are not known.

1693
01:21:56,394 --> 01:21:59,984
C4 organizations --
political nonprofits.

1694
01:22:00,087 --> 01:22:02,296
That means they've got a purpose
to what they're doing.

1695
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,643
They can't do
political purpose things.

1696
01:22:04,747 --> 01:22:07,957
They can't spend more than,
like, 49.9%.

1697
01:22:08,061 --> 01:22:10,546
But they can spend
that IE money

1698
01:22:10,649 --> 01:22:13,204
specifically for an organization
or candidate.

1699
01:22:13,307 --> 01:22:15,585
And they can engage
in those political activities

1700
01:22:15,689 --> 01:22:17,208
as long as
they are defined

1701
01:22:17,311 --> 01:22:20,383
not to be the primary purpose
of the organization.

1702
01:22:25,423 --> 01:22:28,598
Then, I finally made
my way to the Vermillion Room.

1703
01:22:29,979 --> 01:22:31,739
And then, I get there,
and there's all these

1704
01:22:31,843 --> 01:22:33,362
Secret Service types.

1705
01:22:36,296 --> 01:22:37,400
Thank you.

1706
01:22:37,504 --> 01:22:40,231
And I thought,
"Hey, who's here?"

1707
01:22:40,334 --> 01:22:41,611
What's this about?

1708
01:22:42,716 --> 01:22:44,511
So, we need to get people
in our churches,

1709
01:22:44,614 --> 01:22:46,030
our organizations,

1710
01:22:46,133 --> 01:22:47,859
every group you have
a sphere of influence with,

1711
01:22:47,963 --> 01:22:49,654
to do voter registration,

1712
01:22:49,757 --> 01:22:51,207
and make sure
they're part of that.

1713
01:22:51,311 --> 01:22:52,691
We know that helps.

1714
01:22:52,795 --> 01:22:54,900
Because once voter registration
has been done,

1715
01:22:55,004 --> 01:22:58,214
those names go into
the state election records.

1716
01:22:58,318 --> 01:23:01,045
Then, that's accessible for
the campaign, the candidate.

1717
01:23:01,148 --> 01:23:02,736
They know who
those people are.

1718
01:23:02,839 --> 01:23:04,669
If you're not doing
anything else,

1719
01:23:04,772 --> 01:23:07,396
make sure you're
helping to sponsor and run

1720
01:23:07,499 --> 01:23:10,502
voter-registration drives
everywhere you possibly can.

1721
01:23:10,606 --> 01:23:12,159
Keep this in mind
as I wrap up.

1722
01:23:12,263 --> 01:23:14,299
36 electoral votes
to play with.

1723
01:23:14,403 --> 01:23:16,543
Got to think about this
for 2020.

1724
01:23:16,646 --> 01:23:22,273
I saw a group of tourists
getting ready to go

1725
01:23:22,376 --> 01:23:26,311
and I thought, "If I can
just slide up behind them,

1726
01:23:26,415 --> 01:23:29,245
and be a part of
what they're doing,

1727
01:23:29,349 --> 01:23:33,353
then I can slip out with them,
if they manage to get out."

1728
01:23:36,563 --> 01:23:38,944
Past security.

1729
01:23:39,048 --> 01:23:40,946
Past the Secret Service.

1730
01:23:41,050 --> 01:23:42,741
And then, I was scared.
Yeah.

1731
01:23:42,845 --> 01:23:44,950
It's like, "Am I gonna end up
with a Taser in my back,

1732
01:23:45,054 --> 01:23:47,022
or thrown in jail
in Louisiana?"

1733
01:23:47,125 --> 01:23:49,679
Nobody wants to be thrown
in jail in Louisiana.

1734
01:23:49,783 --> 01:23:54,201
And then, past the friendly cop
waiting outside.

1735
01:24:04,004 --> 01:24:05,212
How did you feel
when you realized

1736
01:24:05,316 --> 01:24:07,283
the vice president
was going to come?

1737
01:24:07,387 --> 01:24:10,700
Oh, like I need to get the hell
out of there as fast as I could.

1738
01:24:10,804 --> 01:24:14,152
You know, like,
"Get the hell out right now."

1739
01:24:16,051 --> 01:24:19,709
But in this very close race
that took place,

1740
01:24:19,813 --> 01:24:22,781
that allowed America
to change course

1741
01:24:22,885 --> 01:24:25,129
it was made possible.

1742
01:24:25,232 --> 01:24:27,890
because of our speaker
this morning,

1743
01:24:27,993 --> 01:24:30,513
the 48th vice president
of the United States,

1744
01:24:30,617 --> 01:24:32,964
ladies and gentlemen,
Mike Pence.

1745
01:24:40,972 --> 01:24:42,698
Hello, CNP.

1746
01:24:42,801 --> 01:24:45,183
You are a sight
for sore eyes.

1747
01:24:46,909 --> 01:24:49,532
I bring greetings
from President Donald Trump.

1748
01:24:56,091 --> 01:24:57,299
Isn't he something?

1749
01:25:00,681 --> 01:25:02,269
I'll tell you.

1750
01:25:02,373 --> 01:25:03,615
You know,
some people think he and I

1751
01:25:03,719 --> 01:25:04,789
are a little bit different.

1752
01:25:08,448 --> 01:25:12,279
And I'll tell you what,
he and I have become
very close friends.

1753
01:25:12,383 --> 01:25:15,765
Thank you for
your enduring support,

1754
01:25:15,869 --> 01:25:18,147
and frankly, the leadership
in the council

1755
01:25:18,251 --> 01:25:20,805
that the Council
for National Policy

1756
01:25:20,908 --> 01:25:24,636
advises and gives this
administration every single day.

1757
01:25:24,740 --> 01:25:27,398
Thanks for standing strong
with this president

1758
01:25:27,501 --> 01:25:29,745
and this administration.

1759
01:25:29,848 --> 01:25:31,333
A young person asked me
just the other day,

1760
01:25:31,436 --> 01:25:34,853
they said, "How do you deal with
the socialist agenda?"

1761
01:25:34,957 --> 01:25:38,823
And I said,
"We talk about freedom."

1762
01:25:38,926 --> 01:25:42,206
We tell freedom's story
to this rising generation.

1763
01:25:42,309 --> 01:25:43,483
'Cause it's not gonna
be enough for us

1764
01:25:43,586 --> 01:25:45,209
just to win
the next election.

1765
01:25:45,312 --> 01:25:49,144
We've got to win
the next generation for freedom.

1766
01:25:55,184 --> 01:25:59,878
So CNP, in the face
of their radical agenda

1767
01:25:59,982 --> 01:26:02,122
and destructive politics,

1768
01:26:02,226 --> 01:26:04,262
now more than ever,
we've got to educate.

1769
01:26:04,366 --> 01:26:08,577
We've got to communicate.
And we've got to mobilize.

1770
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:12,236
We've got to run
so as to win.

1771
01:26:12,339 --> 01:26:15,031
And every day between now
and Election Day --

1772
01:26:15,135 --> 01:26:19,070
and if you're inclined to bow
the head and bend the knee,

1773
01:26:19,174 --> 01:26:21,521
Over the next year
and a month

1774
01:26:21,624 --> 01:26:23,902
would be a good time
to do it.

1775
01:26:24,006 --> 01:26:25,697
What was your impression
of this movement

1776
01:26:25,801 --> 01:26:27,768
after having seen it
on the inside?

1777
01:26:27,872 --> 01:26:33,153
I come from a conservative
family of churchgoers,

1778
01:26:33,257 --> 01:26:36,777
but they're not trying
to take people's rights away.

1779
01:26:36,881 --> 01:26:38,814
They're just conservatives.

1780
01:26:38,917 --> 01:26:40,816
These people,
they're not conservatives.

1781
01:26:40,919 --> 01:26:42,231
They're radicals.

1782
01:26:48,513 --> 01:26:50,929
Is the fear greater than
the virus itself?

1783
01:26:51,033 --> 01:26:52,655
Man #2: President Trump
and his administration,

1784
01:26:52,759 --> 01:26:54,174
they've acted decisively,

1785
01:26:54,278 --> 01:26:56,728
they've acted responsibly,
to respond to this virus.

1786
01:26:56,832 --> 01:26:58,937
And they got ahead of it
very early.

1787
01:27:05,634 --> 01:27:07,705
Man #3: It does appear
that the administration

1788
01:27:07,808 --> 01:27:09,120
is taking all of
the right steps.

1789
01:27:09,224 --> 01:27:10,846
The president,
in my view...

1790
01:27:15,989 --> 01:27:18,025
Staver: I am encouraging
churches all over the country

1791
01:27:18,129 --> 01:27:20,718
to participate
in Reopen Church Sunday,

1792
01:27:20,821 --> 01:27:24,135
the first Sunday in May --
Reopen Church Sunday.

1793
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:26,620
You can go to
reopenchurch.org.

1794
01:27:28,588 --> 01:27:32,937
Donald Trump rose to power with
the assistance of a movement

1795
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,043
that denies science,
bashes government,

1796
01:27:36,147 --> 01:27:41,325
and has prioritized loyalty
over professional expertise.

1797
01:27:41,428 --> 01:27:45,052
I want to go first to my --
straight to my first guest,

1798
01:27:45,156 --> 01:27:47,469
the 48th vice president
of the United States,

1799
01:27:47,572 --> 01:27:49,609
Vice President Mike Pence.

1800
01:27:49,712 --> 01:27:51,887
Tony Perkins, it is good to be
with you on "Washington Watch."

1801
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:55,339
That has obviously contributed
to our inability

1802
01:27:55,442 --> 01:27:59,274
to address this crisis
in an evidence-based fashion.

1803
01:27:59,377 --> 01:28:02,518
Misinformation is rife
in those hyper-conservative

1804
01:28:02,622 --> 01:28:05,245
and hyper-partizan
religious communities

1805
01:28:05,349 --> 01:28:06,798
that were all in
for Trump.

1806
01:28:06,902 --> 01:28:10,146
Now, the projections are that
we're going to see less than

1807
01:28:10,250 --> 01:28:14,634
100,000 fatalities as a result
of this -- the virus.

1808
01:28:14,737 --> 01:28:17,188
That's significantly lower
than some projections.

1809
01:28:17,292 --> 01:28:21,641
Is this the result of the,
as you said, people heeding

1810
01:28:21,744 --> 01:28:24,644
the guidance of the CDC,
and quite frankly,

1811
01:28:24,747 --> 01:28:26,680
the prayers
that have been lifted up?

1812
01:28:26,784 --> 01:28:29,476
Progress that we're beginning
to see is -- we really believe

1813
01:28:29,580 --> 01:28:32,134
is evidence that the American
people understand

1814
01:28:32,237 --> 01:28:34,550
that their future
is in their hands.

1815
01:28:36,621 --> 01:28:38,865
Ordinarily,
the kinds of consequences

1816
01:28:38,968 --> 01:28:40,522
of this type of behavior

1817
01:28:40,625 --> 01:28:42,178
don't really show up
for some time.

1818
01:28:42,282 --> 01:28:44,698
In the case of a pandemic
that's killing people,

1819
01:28:44,802 --> 01:28:48,392
the consequences
are too obvious to ignore.

1820
01:28:48,495 --> 01:28:51,153
Churches have worked,
I think,

1821
01:28:51,256 --> 01:28:52,672
very well
with the administration.

1822
01:28:52,775 --> 01:28:55,640
Mr. Vice President, I do
appreciate you joining us today.

1823
01:28:55,744 --> 01:28:57,401
And I would encourage you --

1824
01:28:57,504 --> 01:28:59,782
I know the Justice Department
is on this,

1825
01:28:59,886 --> 01:29:03,407
but as evidence emerges
that there may have been some

1826
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:04,684
that went too far

1827
01:29:04,787 --> 01:29:06,824
in singling out
religious institutions,

1828
01:29:06,927 --> 01:29:09,689
that's something that's
addressed in the days ahead.

1829
01:29:09,792 --> 01:29:12,933
Because while we're all
in this together,

1830
01:29:13,037 --> 01:29:15,350
these fundamental freedoms
must be defended

1831
01:29:15,453 --> 01:29:17,248
and protected here at home,
because it does

1832
01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:19,561
have implications
for what we do abroad, as well.

1833
01:29:28,052 --> 01:29:31,089
Narrator: In times of crisis,
people and communities

1834
01:29:31,193 --> 01:29:33,954
often turn to the church
for guidance and support.

1835
01:29:34,058 --> 01:29:35,439
In these times,

1836
01:29:35,542 --> 01:29:38,096
how can churches rise up,
and find new ways

1837
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:41,065
to be a light
in their community?

1838
01:29:41,168 --> 01:29:44,896
Considering the present climate
and concerns around coronavirus,

1839
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,553
you can register
your church

1840
01:29:46,657 --> 01:29:49,522
in the Community
Services Directory.

1841
01:29:49,625 --> 01:29:53,249
You'll also have access to
four customizable surveys

1842
01:29:53,353 --> 01:29:57,150
that you can use to get a pulse
on how your people are doing.

1843
01:29:57,253 --> 01:30:00,015
Learn more,
and sign up for free today.

1844
01:30:10,991 --> 01:30:13,546
The moral that you should
probably look for --

1845
01:30:13,649 --> 01:30:15,168
it depends on how long
you've got,

1846
01:30:15,271 --> 01:30:16,341
and how much time you've got,
until the rest of it,

1847
01:30:16,445 --> 01:30:20,553
which is the
Russian connection.

1848
01:30:20,656 --> 01:30:22,313
Is the camera rolling
at the moment,
in terms of what --

1849
01:30:22,417 --> 01:30:23,901
I'll do it when the camera's off
on this one, actually.

1850
01:30:24,004 --> 01:30:25,558
'Cause that's -- that's one
that'll get you killed.