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>> Is it possible to hack
the afterlife for answers

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to our deepest
questions about life?

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There are three methods
in this documentary--

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hypnotherapy, mediumship,
and asking questions

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of those who've had a
near-death experience.

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Having filmed 100 people
talking about the afterlife,

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with or without hypnosis,
the results are the same.

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"Hacking the Afterlife."

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>> The show will
begin in 30 seconds.

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[TRUMPETING]

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>> Welcome to the
Past Lives Pavilion.

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>> Ah.

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>> Oh my god.

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>> In a moment, you will be
asked to place your right hand

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on the plate next to you.

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An image of yourself in a
former life will soon appear.

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Since we want to be fair
and accommodate everyone,

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you will be limited to
five past lives only.

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Thank you.

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>> What the hell is this?

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>> Elizabeth, time
for supper, darling.

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>> Be there in a moment, mumsie.

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>> What the hell's
going on here?

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>> Yeaaaah.

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>> [SCREAMS].

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>> [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH].

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[ROARING]

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>> Come on then.

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To the castle.

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[NEIGHING]

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It's incredible.

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>> Who were you?

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>> I'm Prince valiant.

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>> Really.

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>> Yeah.

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Who are you?

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>> Dinner.

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>> Part One--

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Hacking the Afterlife
with Hypnotherapy.

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[MUSIC PLAYING]

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>> Follow along with this one,
if you will please, panel.

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I, Virginia Tighe, Underwent
a unique experiment

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some 15 years ago.

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While in a hypnotic trance,
I recreated intimate details

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of the life of a young
girl who was born in County

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Cork, Ireland, in 1798.

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Fantastic as it may seem, I felt
that I had lived another life.

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I remembered my family in
Ireland, the school I attended,

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the specific grocery
store where I traded,

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and the prayer I used
to recite before meals.

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I even was able to draw
an accurate map of where

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I lived 150 years ago.

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And when I talked, I spoke
with a genuine Irish brogue

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using old-fashioned words
no longer common today.

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When my experiences were
written up in newspapers,

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there erupted a
storm of controversy.

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People called the story a hoax.

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So an interested
newspaper reporter

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decided to go to Ireland
and check it out.

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He astounded the world by
finding concrete evidence that

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corroborated dozens
of details that I

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had outlined in my trance.

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You may remember my other name--

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Bridey Murphy.

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>> 18-something.

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1806.

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>> 1806.

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>> The people who come
to our Institute to learn

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the techniques that we have
to teach with regard to life

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between lives under deep
hypnosis are looking to gain

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a new insight as to the
purpose of our existence here.

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Who am I?

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Where do I come from?

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Why am I here?

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Where am I going?

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These age-old questions are
now being answered, I think,

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in many ways through
the kind of hypnosis

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that we use to reach
into the inner mind.

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>> And mind's made up, so
let's find out who it is.

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Which one in truth
is Virginia Tighe?

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Will the real Virginia
Tighe please stand up.

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>> I got her.

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[APPLAUSE]

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>> People were very
interested in this.

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And they knew that
hypnosis had been used.

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And I would get calls, well,
since you practice hypnosis,

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may I come to you for
a past life regression.

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And in the '50s, I simply told
them, no, I'm very traditional.

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I'm not involved with that kind
of new age sort of thinking.

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I was very naive then really.

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>> In a body in another
life, so here we go.

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Number one, number
one, be there now.

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Move out of the tunnel
and be there now.

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>> Um-hmm.

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Here I am.

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I'm some place in Europe.

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Seems like London.

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>> Is it day time or night time?

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>> It's daytime.

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And I have on--

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you know the hat?

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Like a black hat--

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a big black hat and black
suit like Snidely Whiplash.

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And it's like I'm moving
along the London streets.

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I'm slinking around the
London streets like a cat.

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>> You're shielding it with
your arms under your garments?

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>> I'm holding it.

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Yeah, I'm kind of
pushing it into my jacket

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so nobody will see it.

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>> Back in 1980, Dr. Brian Weiss
was using hypnotherapy with

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a patient named Catherine
to discover the roots of her

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paralyzing phobias.

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In his book "Many
Lives, Many Masters,"

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he writes that during
one of their sessions,

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Catherine regressed back to
a time before she was born.

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>> She said, I don't
know what this is,

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but I could already
see it was intense.

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It was cathartic.

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It was emotional.

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And I didn't know why--

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>> Because when
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you remember everything
you're saying.

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>> Yes.

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Yeah, It's not something
that you forget.

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You remember it.

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>> So she probably couldn't
believe it herself.

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>> For her, it was
easier than for me--

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>> To believe it.

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>> --because it was so--
yeah, to believe it--

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it was so intense for her.

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She was experiencing
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and visually, and
sounds, and other

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senses that it became
easier over the weeks that

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followed for her to
change her worldview.

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But for me, I needed
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was such a skeptic, so
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And I started already explaining
it away like, oh, maybe she

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saw movies, or read
about this, or maybe it's

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the collective unconscious
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Jung wrote about or
something else going on.

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But when she came
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her symptoms were disappearing.

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>> Using repetition is
great for inducing hypnosis.

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So anything pet statements
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it's OK to emphasize
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over and over two or
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bring it up again later.

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>> Can you describe the scene
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the environment you
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>> Where I popped into was
me standing on a stage.

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It's like the Hollywood Bowl.

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And I'm looking out at the
vast seating that's there.

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So if you can picture and
imagine the Hollywood Bowl

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where we would normally
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at the stage watching an artist,
it's actually reversed for me.

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I'm actually the
artist looking out.

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And in the first
several sections

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are all of my spirit
guides, guardian angels,

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those part of my life.

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And then in the
audience behind that

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are just people that
are interested in me

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and listening to
what I have to say.

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You know, like the bowl,
it's got a semicircle.

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>> Right.

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Is there something
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some issue being discussed?

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What's that all about?

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>> I'm actually presenting what
my next life is going to be,

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much like you would do if
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thesis.

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And all the
professors are there.

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And they're asking you questions
like "Why'd you choose this?

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What's the purpose?

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What kind of
studying did you do?

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What were the tests?"

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You know, those types
of inquiry questions.

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And I'm busy answering
those questions

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about why I chose
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in this lifetime,
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and what I'm going to be doing.

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>> Interesting.

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So while you're discussing
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how do you feel about it?

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Are you eager to
get started or doe

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you have some reluctance,
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or perhaps you have
mixed feelings?

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>> No, none of that.

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Very confident, feel
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I've done my research.

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I've done my studying.

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I know exactly what I
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is going to do for me.

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And so all the
questions I'm handling

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with ease, and with comfort,
and eloquent in my responses

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and details when I need to be.

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>> So in a few
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we're going to move backward
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previous lifetime or to
some other past lifetime,

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incarnation, that's of most
value for us to explore now.

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Already shifting.

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Just choose one, day
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>> It's day time.

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>> Day time.

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>> Are you inside or outside?

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>> I'm outside.

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>> Outside.

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>> Standing on the street.

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>> On the street.

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And I'm a girl.

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>> Oh, OK.

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And about what's your age?

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What's the number that
pops into your head

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as you stand on
the street there?

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>> Nine or 10.

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>> Oh, so you're a young girl.

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>> Mm-hmm.

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>> OK.

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And what's the year?

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When you're standing
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>> 19-- 1943.

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>> '43.

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[TRUMPETING MUSIC]

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>> Germany occupies Copenhagen.
Hitler's troops disembarking

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from transports in the harbor
carry out the Fuhrer's latest

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act of aggression-- the invasion
of peaceful and innocent

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Denmark.

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The Nazis, who are pleased
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as protectors, succeeded
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this plan of General
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The whole country was in
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>> All right.

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All right, then, this
is what I want to do.

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Without pain or
discomfort, I want

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us to move to the very last
day of your life as Helga.

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You'll not yet
have crossed over.

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You don't have to feel
any pain or discomfort.

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You can rise above the scene
or situation, just to observe.

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But I want it to be the very
last day of your life as Helga.

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So on the count of
three, you'll be there.

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1, 2, and 3.

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>> I'm outside.

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>> Outside.

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And so how old are
you on this day?

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>> 10.

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>> All right, then.

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>> I'm standing.

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>> Standing.

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What happens to cause
your life to end?

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>> It was like I'm in a
camp, a concentration camp.

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>> Oh, OK.

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So how long have you
been in the camp?

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>> Not very long.

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>> Let's move forward to
the moment after death.

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So where are you in
relation to your body now?

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00:12:17,910 --> 00:12:20,810
Are you above it
or off to the side?

260
00:12:20,810 --> 00:12:22,342
>> I'm floating above it.

261
00:12:22,342 --> 00:12:23,740
>> Floating above it.

262
00:12:23,740 --> 00:12:26,070
OK.

263
00:12:26,070 --> 00:12:27,490
Could I ask you a few questions?

264
00:12:27,490 --> 00:12:28,290
>> Sure.

265
00:12:28,290 --> 00:12:29,090
>> OK.

266
00:12:29,090 --> 00:12:31,090
So what happened?

267
00:12:31,090 --> 00:12:32,150
How did you die?

268
00:12:35,170 --> 00:12:36,905
>> I was shot.

269
00:12:36,905 --> 00:12:38,330
>> Shot.

270
00:12:38,330 --> 00:12:40,705
OK.

271
00:12:40,705 --> 00:12:45,345
How do feel about
leaving that life?

272
00:12:45,345 --> 00:12:48,260
>> Yeah, it's kind
of-- it's sad.

273
00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:50,120
>> Yeah.

274
00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,470
>> So brief, so short.

275
00:12:52,470 --> 00:12:54,970
>> Yeah.

276
00:12:54,970 --> 00:12:58,210
Do you know the name of
this place, this camp where

277
00:12:58,210 --> 00:13:00,998
you ended your life?

278
00:13:00,998 --> 00:13:03,800
>> Dachau.

279
00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,140
>> OK.

280
00:13:06,140 --> 00:13:09,920
>> Dachau, factory of horrors.

281
00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,060
Mere mention one of the oldest
of the Nazi prison camps.

282
00:13:14,060 --> 00:13:19,700
It is known that from
1941-1944, up to 30,000 people

283
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were entombed here at one time.

284
00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:24,340
And 30,000 were present.

285
00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:26,858
>> There's just so many bodies.

286
00:13:26,858 --> 00:13:27,812
>> Hmm.

287
00:13:27,812 --> 00:13:30,674
>> There's a lot of bodies.

288
00:13:30,674 --> 00:13:33,536
>> Yeah.

289
00:13:33,536 --> 00:13:35,930
>> It's very hard to move.

290
00:13:35,930 --> 00:13:37,115
>> It's very hard to move?

291
00:13:37,115 --> 00:13:37,570
>> Um-hmm.

292
00:13:37,570 --> 00:13:38,370
>> Hmm.

293
00:13:38,370 --> 00:13:40,760
OK.

294
00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,310
>> Hypnotherapy and
Parkinson's, my colleague,

295
00:13:43,310 --> 00:13:46,580
a successful screenwriter, has
Parkinson's and volunteered

296
00:13:46,580 --> 00:13:49,550
to see if she could learn about
the source of her affliction

297
00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:51,230
via hypnotherapy.

298
00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:54,380
She was teaching a class at
USC film school when we met.

299
00:13:57,450 --> 00:13:59,360
>> I'm very nervous
because I feel like I--

300
00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:00,160
>> Do me a favor.

301
00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,640
Before you say that
again would you just

302
00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,093
ask that question
once more, Scott?

303
00:14:05,093 --> 00:14:06,510
>> I forgot what
the question was.

304
00:14:06,510 --> 00:14:07,470
>> What do you want?

305
00:14:07,470 --> 00:14:10,330
Or just repeat that-- what
am I looking for today?

306
00:14:10,330 --> 00:14:14,382
>> What are you looking for
in this experience here.

307
00:14:14,382 --> 00:14:15,590
>> Is this the mic over here?

308
00:14:15,590 --> 00:14:15,960
>> Yeah.

309
00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:16,870
>> I should just leave it.

310
00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:17,080
Do you want me to wear it?

311
00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,122
>> Just leave it is fine.

312
00:14:18,122 --> 00:14:19,210
>> OK.

313
00:14:19,210 --> 00:14:25,740
I'm looking for answers, because
I feel like I know I know

314
00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:32,150
the answers already, but I feel
like I feel sort of ambushed

315
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:35,030
off my path, you know,
with this Parkinson's.

316
00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:37,390
And it's like it's kicked
me out of being human.

317
00:14:37,390 --> 00:14:39,205
And I don't feel human.

318
00:14:39,205 --> 00:14:40,580
And I want to get
back to feeling

319
00:14:40,580 --> 00:14:44,100
like I know what I'm doing.

320
00:14:44,100 --> 00:14:46,505
>> Closed now.

321
00:14:46,505 --> 00:14:49,520
Eyes closed.

322
00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,170
Relaxing, releasing.

323
00:14:54,170 --> 00:14:57,320
Letting go.

324
00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,715
Beautiful.

325
00:14:58,715 --> 00:15:01,100
I've got some questions.

326
00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:03,590
And a lot have to do
with this condition

327
00:15:03,590 --> 00:15:06,260
that she's been afflicted with.

328
00:15:06,260 --> 00:15:11,370
David, would you address
these questions for us?

329
00:15:11,370 --> 00:15:12,540
>> Yes.

330
00:15:12,540 --> 00:15:16,970
>> She wants to know
am I on my path?

331
00:15:16,970 --> 00:15:18,920
>> She's on her
path in many ways.

332
00:15:22,950 --> 00:15:26,520
She has spiritual resources
she doesn't even know she has.

333
00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,690
She's not tapped into them yet.

334
00:15:29,690 --> 00:15:31,520
>> How can she do that?

335
00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:38,010
>> By filling her heart with
compassion for herself mainly.

336
00:15:38,010 --> 00:15:42,330
Forgive herself for things
that she's done in the past.

337
00:15:42,330 --> 00:15:45,900
She doesn't have to
live in secret anymore.

338
00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:49,410
She can be out loud and bold
and push past smallness.

339
00:15:49,410 --> 00:15:53,160
That's why we presented her
with this challenge of getting

340
00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,470
small, this condition.

341
00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:57,270
>> Tell me more.

342
00:15:57,270 --> 00:16:02,870
>> She needs to push past
it by tuning in spiritually

343
00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:07,130
and realizing who she is.

344
00:16:07,130 --> 00:16:11,631
>> I feel like I'm
being pulled away--

345
00:16:11,631 --> 00:16:13,986
>> Yeah.

346
00:16:13,986 --> 00:16:15,399
>> --off to the right.

347
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:22,760
>> As you're being pulled
away off to the right there.

348
00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:24,370
>> I don't see any people.

349
00:16:24,370 --> 00:16:27,100
It's like I'm flying
over the city.

350
00:16:27,100 --> 00:16:29,120
>> Hmm.

351
00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,130
Great.

352
00:16:31,130 --> 00:16:33,654
So you can kind of look and
see the earth below you?

353
00:16:33,654 --> 00:16:34,454
>> Mm-hmm.

354
00:16:34,454 --> 00:16:37,842
>> Yeah.

355
00:16:37,842 --> 00:16:41,771
>> And I see a place with like
white pillars or something.

356
00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:49,510
And like a very, very blue sky
up against the white pillars.

357
00:16:49,510 --> 00:16:53,480
And there's a like a name.

358
00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:54,340
>> Oh, good.

359
00:16:54,340 --> 00:16:56,200
Tell me the name.

360
00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,390
>> It's something like "Longda."

361
00:16:58,390 --> 00:16:59,938
>> How does he
communicate to you?

362
00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:12,160
>> Just welcome, like coming
back, like welcome back,

363
00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:16,599
or welcome back.

364
00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:18,980
>> Welcome back.

365
00:17:18,980 --> 00:17:22,220
How do you feel about
this soul's performance

366
00:17:22,220 --> 00:17:25,849
in a lifetime as Helga, Longda?

367
00:17:25,849 --> 00:17:26,839
What about Helga?

368
00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,710
>> Helga dark, dark.

369
00:17:30,710 --> 00:17:31,710
>> Helga was dark?

370
00:17:31,710 --> 00:17:32,710
>> The whole--

371
00:17:32,710 --> 00:17:33,710
>> The whole life time?

372
00:17:33,710 --> 00:17:34,932
>> Life dark.

373
00:17:34,932 --> 00:17:36,700
>> Yeah.

374
00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:39,220
So why did Randol
choose the lifetime

375
00:17:39,220 --> 00:17:43,490
as Helga, this short, dark life?

376
00:17:43,490 --> 00:17:45,690
>> To see the darkness.

377
00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:47,740
>> To see in darkness?

378
00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:51,640
What's the value in
seeing the darkness

379
00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,331
for a soul like Randol?

380
00:17:54,331 --> 00:17:56,520
>> There's so much light,
you forget the dark.

381
00:18:00,110 --> 00:18:03,310
>> What's the purpose in
having challenges such as this?

382
00:18:03,310 --> 00:18:05,180
How does this help us develop?

383
00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:07,330
>> Patience and understanding.

384
00:18:09,890 --> 00:18:14,900
It's to learn-- it's
about trust and patience.

385
00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:18,380
>> Can we take him to a place
to cleanse him of this darkness

386
00:18:18,380 --> 00:18:20,066
and the doubt?

387
00:18:20,066 --> 00:18:21,830
>> The soul--

388
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:22,740
>> The river.

389
00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:23,650
>> The soul river.

390
00:18:23,650 --> 00:18:25,270
>> Let's go there.

391
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:29,230
So do you like jump in
or do you sit there?

392
00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:33,180
>> We will walk in together.

393
00:18:33,180 --> 00:18:35,060
>> Who are you with?

394
00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:36,622
>> The elders.

395
00:18:36,622 --> 00:18:38,068
>> Very good.

396
00:18:38,068 --> 00:18:43,217
>> The water is to forget.

397
00:18:43,217 --> 00:18:45,602
>> OK.

398
00:18:45,602 --> 00:18:47,987
>> The water is to wash clean.

399
00:18:47,987 --> 00:18:49,743
>> Is someone speaking to you?

400
00:18:49,743 --> 00:18:50,665
>> No, I'm just--

401
00:18:50,665 --> 00:18:54,300
I am aware that burned my soul.

402
00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:56,110
That time burned my soul.

403
00:18:56,110 --> 00:18:57,496
>> OK.

404
00:18:57,496 --> 00:19:02,050
>> And I never knew the
darkness could be so dark.

405
00:19:02,050 --> 00:19:05,170
>> Can this condition
be reversed--

406
00:19:05,170 --> 00:19:07,500
arrested or reversed?

407
00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:08,400
>> Yes.

408
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,440
She's got to look at this
as a spiritual crisis,

409
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,320
not as a physical
crisis, and not

410
00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,080
be apologetic for what she
does, or what she says,

411
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:16,980
or how she moves--

412
00:19:16,980 --> 00:19:19,610
how she moves in the world.

413
00:19:19,610 --> 00:19:25,330
>> So what precipitated
this illness in her?

414
00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:28,660
>> Secretiveness.

415
00:19:28,660 --> 00:19:32,410
>> So tell us once more how
can she heal and overcome this

416
00:19:32,410 --> 00:19:33,280
condition?

417
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,730
>> She needs to
reconnect to the light,

418
00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:38,230
to everything that's light, and
everything that's good about

419
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:40,210
her and strong about her.

420
00:19:40,210 --> 00:19:44,500
>> Why is it that Howard's been
brought to this session today?

421
00:19:44,500 --> 00:19:48,490
What is it that he really needs
to get from this experience?

422
00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:51,670
>> This was part of the
plan that you created.

423
00:19:51,670 --> 00:19:54,552
No one wrote this for you.

424
00:19:54,552 --> 00:19:56,770
You wrote it for yourself.

425
00:19:56,770 --> 00:20:00,655
It reminds me of when
I came into this body.

426
00:20:00,655 --> 00:20:06,690
It's that "wow,"
[LAUGHS] the knowing.

427
00:20:06,690 --> 00:20:10,515
This is the flow
of energy endless.

428
00:20:10,515 --> 00:20:15,488
This is where you
came from to know.

429
00:20:15,488 --> 00:20:16,780
>> To know where you came from?

430
00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:19,540
>> Yeah, in this
life and all that.

431
00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:24,260
>> Number four, back into the
body gracefully now, gently.

432
00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:34,514
Now when you're ready,
number five, number five,

433
00:20:34,514 --> 00:20:38,070
eyes open now.

434
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:39,830
Back in the here and now.

435
00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:42,950
>> That was fun.

436
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:44,570
That was like a wild ride.

437
00:20:44,570 --> 00:20:45,660
That was really fun.

438
00:20:45,660 --> 00:20:49,250
>> My friend opted to do brain
surgery recommended by her

439
00:20:49,250 --> 00:20:51,160
doctors for her Parkinson's.

440
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,570
It helped end her
shaking, but robbed her

441
00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:55,050
of her ability to speak.

442
00:20:55,050 --> 00:20:58,130
She's in rehab trying
to gain her voice back.

443
00:20:58,130 --> 00:21:02,780
>> And what I found interesting
and what captured me was that

444
00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:06,860
over thousands of cases was a
consistency of the reporting.

445
00:21:06,860 --> 00:21:10,220
It didn't matter whether a
client came to me with a,

446
00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:16,610
you know, deep, religious belief
system or a lack of belief

447
00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:19,970
in anything or any philosophical
persuasion in between.

448
00:21:19,970 --> 00:21:21,710
Once we had them
in deep hypnosis,

449
00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:24,020
they all told me
the same things.

450
00:21:24,020 --> 00:21:27,170
>> In they REM
state of hypnosis,

451
00:21:27,170 --> 00:21:29,960
you will hear every
sound around you.

452
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,950
And it will sound louder
than it usually does.

453
00:21:33,950 --> 00:21:36,200
This is a state of
being stoned where

454
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,900
auditory stuff is more vivid.

455
00:21:39,900 --> 00:21:41,900
So you'll say, I
can't be hypnotized

456
00:21:41,900 --> 00:21:45,440
because I'm hearing
everything very acutely.

457
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,120
That doesn't mean
you're not hypnotized.

458
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,460
It means you're in a REM state.

459
00:21:49,460 --> 00:21:53,750
Also you may feel that
your eyelids feel scratchy

460
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:55,730
and you want to open your eyes.

461
00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:57,710
You'll say, I'm not hypnotized.

462
00:21:57,710 --> 00:21:59,660
I want to open my eyes.

463
00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:01,550
Well you're in
rapid eye movement

464
00:22:01,550 --> 00:22:04,460
and that makes your
eyelids feel scratchy.

465
00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:06,600
That's why you want
to open your eyes.

466
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,930
So if your eyelids do
feel scratchy, just say,

467
00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:11,120
oh, that's rapid eye movement.

468
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:15,480
Open your eyes for a moment
and close them again.

469
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,260
The other thing is do not
take this too seriously.

470
00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:21,570
If you say to yourself
I'm going to wait

471
00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:26,040
until a true answer about
my real past life comes in,

472
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,780
I'm not going to take this thing
whatever my head's making up,

473
00:22:30,780 --> 00:22:32,950
you're in trouble,
because as far as I know,

474
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:37,500
there is no true past life,
I mean, in that sense.

475
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:38,760
I'm going to ask questions.

476
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,560
And a answer will
pop into your mind.

477
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,170
And you just go with
the answer, that's all.

478
00:22:43,170 --> 00:22:46,030
It's coming from
your right brain.

479
00:22:46,030 --> 00:22:47,430
Now your left brain will say--

480
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:48,810
I'll say, look at
your feet, what

481
00:22:48,810 --> 00:22:50,880
are you wearing on your feet?

482
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:56,850
And your left brain is going to
see, well, boots will flash in.

483
00:22:56,850 --> 00:22:59,850
And you left brain said
they were boots in the 1500s

484
00:22:59,850 --> 00:23:01,230
or was that's the 1600s?

485
00:23:01,230 --> 00:23:04,650
Maybe I better change
it and make it slippers.

486
00:23:04,650 --> 00:23:08,220
And this is your
left brain censoring

487
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:11,400
and trying to make it
correct historically.

488
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,370
And this, of course, is a mess
because what we're trying to do

489
00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:17,700
is just get these flashes
from the right brain.

490
00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:22,380
So your left brain will go along
on the trip and let it observe.

491
00:23:22,380 --> 00:23:24,600
And it can comment and
say, oh, stupid you.

492
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,180
You always think this.

493
00:23:27,180 --> 00:23:29,220
Or it's going to
say you made it up.

494
00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:34,060
You can't write this down
because you just made it up.

495
00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:35,160
And am I hypnotized?

496
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,060
I'm not hypnotized.

497
00:23:36,060 --> 00:23:37,960
I can hear that person
snoring next to me.

498
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,620
Why doesn't that
person stop snoring?

499
00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:42,850
All these things are going
to go on in your mind.

500
00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:45,030
That's all right, because
we need your left brain

501
00:23:45,030 --> 00:23:46,830
there to remember it.

502
00:23:46,830 --> 00:23:50,040
But it's the right
brain kind of flashing

503
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,545
that will begin to happen.

504
00:23:51,545 --> 00:23:52,920
And after this
first trip, you'll

505
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,520
begin to recognize whether your
answer is coming immediately

506
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,310
in the form of an impression
or whether it's something

507
00:23:59,310 --> 00:24:03,270
you're thinking out logically.

508
00:24:03,270 --> 00:24:05,100
So those are the instructions.

509
00:24:05,100 --> 00:24:06,690
Do not take it seriously.

510
00:24:06,690 --> 00:24:09,870
We are playing at this.

511
00:24:09,870 --> 00:24:13,140
Do not be worried about
rapid eye movement or eyes

512
00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:14,670
feeling scratchy.

513
00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:19,230
And it's perfectly all right to
shift and change your posture.

514
00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:21,700
You do not need to
lie on your back

515
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:24,520
if it makes you uncomfortable.

516
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,870
You can turn if your
back starts hurting you.

517
00:24:27,870 --> 00:24:30,000
You're not going to lose
god if you breathe out

518
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,650
of the wrong nostril.

519
00:24:31,650 --> 00:24:32,880
OK?

520
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,770
>> We get flashbacks that break
through that amnesiac block

521
00:24:37,770 --> 00:24:39,630
in different ways
with different people.

522
00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:41,160
I'm talking, now,
about folks who

523
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,460
have had no LBL experiences.

524
00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:46,080
They're just ordinary people.

525
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,090
They don't even maybe
know about our work.

526
00:24:48,090 --> 00:24:48,890
OK.

527
00:24:48,890 --> 00:24:51,705
Suddenly they're in a classroom
in their dreams or in a flash

528
00:24:51,705 --> 00:24:54,720
and they can't figure out--
that's a strange image.

529
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,790
Where's that coming from?

530
00:24:56,790 --> 00:25:01,760
>> Part Two-- Hacking the
Afterlife through Mediumship.

531
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,940
After Michael Newton passed
away, he stopped by to chat

532
00:25:04,940 --> 00:25:06,560
with medium Jennifer Shaffer.

533
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,060
We are in a noisy restaurant.

534
00:25:08,060 --> 00:25:11,100
I had not brought a camera,
so I had to use a cell phone.

535
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:14,450
So our question to
Michael was you just

536
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:18,140
showed up spontaneously at
our lunch in Manhattan Beach.

537
00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:20,630
You're taking notes on
how to make it easier

538
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:23,580
to communicate from over there
to here or from over here

539
00:25:23,580 --> 00:25:24,380
to there?

540
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:30,970
>> From where I am.

541
00:25:30,970 --> 00:25:32,810
If you're taking
notes from there

542
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:36,450
as to be able to communicate
better to people over there.

543
00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:37,450
>> All right, very good.

544
00:25:37,450 --> 00:25:39,575
Michael, let me ask you,
why did you show up today?

545
00:25:39,575 --> 00:25:41,310
Did you show up to tell us that?

546
00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:43,760
>> It's like noetic science,
but from the other side.

547
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,550
>> OK, noetic science
on the other side.

548
00:25:45,550 --> 00:25:47,110
All right, very good.

549
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:49,270
>> Everybody can
speak to other side.

550
00:25:49,270 --> 00:25:50,590
>> OK.

551
00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:53,510
>> And that no one does not not
have the capabilities to do so.

552
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:54,590
>> Excellent.

553
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:55,390
All right.

554
00:25:55,390 --> 00:25:56,190
That's very good.

555
00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:57,520
I will quote-- can I quote you?

556
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,040
>> And that everyone
should start.

557
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,790
They should start
bringing them in closer.

558
00:26:00,790 --> 00:26:05,110
He showed me like both the
dimensions-- of this gazillion.

559
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:08,430
He showed me like both
the dimensions of it

560
00:26:08,430 --> 00:26:10,776
being like at a dinner
table where people

561
00:26:10,776 --> 00:26:12,410
are translucent to each other.

562
00:26:12,410 --> 00:26:13,210
>> Very good.

563
00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:14,020
>> But he wanted to
mention the other,

564
00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:16,780
but yet you still have the
energies to call people in.

565
00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:19,360
>> I asked if he had a
formula to help people speak

566
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,130
to their loved ones
no longer here.

567
00:26:21,130 --> 00:26:24,550
Michael said, say their name,
ask them a question I asked,

568
00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:26,620
but how do we know
the answers are real?

569
00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:28,690
He said when you get
a reply before you

570
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:33,040
can ask the question, you'll
know you have a connection.

571
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,760
Luana Anders in "Dementia 13"
directed by her friend Francis

572
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,840
Ford Coppola.

573
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:44,500
>> John, that will is no good.

574
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:45,700
Your mother is still alive.

575
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:48,190
We can talk her
into changing it.

576
00:26:48,190 --> 00:26:51,310
>> We met in film school at USC.

577
00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:54,460
A writing instructor assigned
us the same screenplay

578
00:26:54,460 --> 00:26:55,960
to breakdown.

579
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,517
We were together for
20 years after meeting.

580
00:26:58,517 --> 00:26:59,600
>> You're rowing too hard.

581
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,880
Let me row.

582
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,340
>> You're concerned
about me, Louise.

583
00:27:03,340 --> 00:27:04,450
Is it my heart?

584
00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:08,130
>> Luana was in over 30 feature
films and 300 TV episodes.

585
00:27:08,130 --> 00:27:11,050
She began conducting a
class from the "Flipside"

586
00:27:11,050 --> 00:27:13,210
to help those over
there communicate

587
00:27:13,210 --> 00:27:16,000
via Jennifer Shaffer.

588
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,987
>> John.

589
00:27:18,987 --> 00:27:19,787
John!

590
00:27:26,050 --> 00:27:27,306
>> Awake!

591
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:35,150
>> One of her most iconic
roles is playing the girlfriend

592
00:27:35,150 --> 00:27:37,280
of Peter Fonda in "Easy Rider."

593
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,747
Ironically, her first
boyfriend was Dennis Hopper.

594
00:27:40,747 --> 00:27:43,232
[MUSIC PLAYING]

595
00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:56,730
I was with Luana when she
passed and started hearing

596
00:27:56,730 --> 00:28:00,060
from her via dreams and
visitations starting the day

597
00:28:00,060 --> 00:28:02,910
before she passed.

598
00:28:02,910 --> 00:28:06,360
As noted in "Flipside,"
after she passed in 1996,

599
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,460
she started showing
up in dreams, visions,

600
00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:10,150
and to members of my family.

601
00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:15,212
I figured, if she can come here,
then why can't I visit her?

602
00:28:15,212 --> 00:28:17,710
Her frequent visits to
me from the flipside

603
00:28:17,710 --> 00:28:20,480
became the basis for the
book and the film "Flipside--

604
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,080
A Tourist's Guide on How
to Navigate the Afterlife."

605
00:28:26,992 --> 00:28:29,926
[APPLAUSE]

606
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:40,084
>> And the Oscar goes to Jack's
Nicholson in "As Good As It

607
00:28:40,084 --> 00:28:40,884
Gets."

608
00:28:40,884 --> 00:28:42,740
[APPLAUSE]

609
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:48,670
>> Jack Nicholson has been
nominated for 11 Academy

610
00:28:48,670 --> 00:28:49,470
Awards.

611
00:28:49,470 --> 00:28:52,100
This is his third win.

612
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:55,340
>> And I'd like to thank--

613
00:28:55,340 --> 00:28:58,820
I'd like to thank everybody here
tonight for looking so good.

614
00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:01,700
[LAUGHTER]

615
00:29:01,700 --> 00:29:06,620
I'd like to dedicate this to
Miles Davis, Robert Mitchum,

616
00:29:06,620 --> 00:29:11,870
Shorty Smith, Joe Vitrano,
Ray Cramer, Rupert Crosse, JT

617
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:13,910
Walsh, and Luana Anders.

618
00:29:13,910 --> 00:29:16,310
They're not here anymore,
but they're in my heart.

619
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:18,530
And I thank you very much.

620
00:29:18,530 --> 00:29:20,810
>> The other night
just by chance,

621
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:26,850
I happened to catch a
psychic medium on television,

622
00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:27,650
John Edwards.

623
00:29:27,650 --> 00:29:29,930
And he took a phone call.

624
00:29:29,930 --> 00:29:35,930
And a woman said can you
be in touch with my mother?

625
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:36,970
And he looked down.

626
00:29:36,970 --> 00:29:40,880
And he concentrated
for a while and he

627
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,830
said, did she die of
congestive heart failure?

628
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:51,300
And the phone caller
said, yes, she did.

629
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:53,520
He thought again
for a long moment.

630
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,430
And he said toward
the end of her life,

631
00:29:58,430 --> 00:30:03,090
did you give her a
small Christmas tree?

632
00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:05,960
And the woman, again,
said, yes, yes.

633
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:11,210
And then she told the story
of why she gave her mother

634
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:12,890
the small Christmas tree.

635
00:30:12,890 --> 00:30:17,570
Now people looking at
this could think, well,

636
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:22,970
that must be proof that
there is life after death.

637
00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:25,490
And then other people could
look at that same thing

638
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:28,940
and say this is a scam.

639
00:30:28,940 --> 00:30:31,300
It's impossible.

640
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:32,820
It's a trick.

641
00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:34,000
It's an arranged phone call.

642
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,770
It's something other than
what it appears to be.

643
00:30:38,770 --> 00:30:42,440
I have friends that are
shocked that I haven't made up

644
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,600
my mind on what I
believe, that I am still

645
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,780
open to the possibility
that there is a possibility

646
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:54,200
that we are dealing with
some communication here.

647
00:30:54,200 --> 00:31:01,250
We are the only species who know
that our time as human beings

648
00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:02,480
will come to an end.

649
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,330
And this impacts
on our lives more

650
00:31:05,330 --> 00:31:09,830
than we probably
realize that it does.

651
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:13,040
So tonight, for the
third time on this show,

652
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,900
the most celebrated
psychic medium in America,

653
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:19,190
James Van Praagh--

654
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:20,940
Hi, James, nice
to see you again.

655
00:31:20,940 --> 00:31:21,740
>> Hi, Charles.

656
00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:22,610
Good to see you again.

657
00:31:22,610 --> 00:31:23,410
>> Thank you.

658
00:31:23,410 --> 00:31:25,040
And we're going to
chat a little while.

659
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,140
And we have an
audience here tonight.

660
00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:31,760
And we will take a phone
call for James Van Praagh.

661
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,110
>> Richard from Los
Angeles, go ahead please.

662
00:31:34,110 --> 00:31:34,910
>> Hi, James.

663
00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:36,080
You're amazing.

664
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,100
>> Thank you, Richard.

665
00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:39,620
>> But much better
than a sitcom.

666
00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:41,720
I'm calling about my friend
Luana who passed away

667
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:42,980
a couple of years ago.

668
00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:44,480
>> Luano, this is a male?

669
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,540
>> Luana-- L-U-A-N-A.

670
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:46,730
>> Luana, Luana.

671
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:47,530
OK.

672
00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:48,330
OK.

673
00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:49,683
Hold on.

674
00:31:49,683 --> 00:31:52,100
Well first of all, let me say,
what I'm picking up is you.

675
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:54,260
I'm tuning in to
you very strong.

676
00:31:54,260 --> 00:31:58,010
And you have a lot of
creative energy yourself.

677
00:31:58,010 --> 00:32:00,440
And you're a person who
does several things at once.

678
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,370
Now hold on.

679
00:32:01,370 --> 00:32:04,170
Was this girl ever talk
to you about your career?

680
00:32:04,170 --> 00:32:04,970
>> Oh sure.

681
00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:07,040
>> Because she laughs a lot.

682
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,780
And she has a great
sense of humor.

683
00:32:08,780 --> 00:32:11,532
And I would know
her by her laughter,

684
00:32:11,532 --> 00:32:13,490
like a certain way of
laughing with this woman.

685
00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:14,290
All right?

686
00:32:14,290 --> 00:32:16,190
And she's talking to
me about your career.

687
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:19,190
And she's laughing with me here.

688
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:20,810
She's saying you
change all the time.

689
00:32:20,810 --> 00:32:21,470
You know?

690
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:23,970
This thing and then you're one
thing and then another thing.

691
00:32:23,970 --> 00:32:26,220
And she said he could
never make up his mind.

692
00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:27,720
[LAUGHING]

693
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,520
>> That's great.

694
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,290
Well, it's true.

695
00:32:29,290 --> 00:32:30,090
>> You understand?

696
00:32:30,090 --> 00:32:32,600
And said you need
to get yourself

697
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,840
your feet on the floor.

698
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,590
You need to get to-- you need
to get yourself grounded,

699
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:38,090
and steady, and focused.

700
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:41,690
And she said she tried to focus
with you, tried getting focus.

701
00:32:41,690 --> 00:32:43,760
Now did she have trouble
with her weight before--

702
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,518
when she was alive at all?

703
00:32:45,518 --> 00:32:47,810
>> No, not really so much
her weight, but she was thin.

704
00:32:47,810 --> 00:32:48,610
>> She was thin.

705
00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:50,810
I feel like she was over
concerned about that

706
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:52,730
or she was-- she thought
about that a lot.

707
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:53,960
OK?

708
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,342
Was also-- she's talking to me
also about going on a trip or--

709
00:32:57,342 --> 00:32:58,550
I don't know what this means.

710
00:32:58,550 --> 00:33:03,770
With you going away on a
trip and talking about this.

711
00:33:03,770 --> 00:33:04,570
>> OK.

712
00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:05,060
>> OK?

713
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:06,660
>> I just recently
came back from Europe.

714
00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:07,040
So--

715
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,670
>> OK.

716
00:33:07,670 --> 00:33:08,330
>> Is that what
she's talking about?

717
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:09,960
>> Well, she said she
went on a trip with you.

718
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,860
So this is what she said to me.

719
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:11,900
And that's exactly
how she said it.

720
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:12,620
I don't know if she meant that.

721
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:14,370
She said I went
on a trip with him

722
00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:17,340
and she had a good
time, a good time.

723
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:18,720
She likes to dance.

724
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:19,520
>> Does she?

725
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,420
>> Yes, she does.

726
00:33:20,420 --> 00:33:22,220
And she talks about
dancing here with you.

727
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:23,150
>> Oh, great.

728
00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:24,920
>> She's also talking
to me about you--

729
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,940
stop having to worry--

730
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:27,890
worrying about your hair.

731
00:33:27,890 --> 00:33:30,540
And she said he's been
worrying about his hair lately.

732
00:33:30,540 --> 00:33:31,340
>> Huh.

733
00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:31,800
>> OK.

734
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,570
Do you understand that?

735
00:33:32,570 --> 00:33:33,770
>> It's just getting grayer.

736
00:33:33,770 --> 00:33:36,145
>> OK, but she said he was
worried about it and he wanted

737
00:33:36,145 --> 00:33:39,320
to do something with his hair
and changed it in some way

738
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,250
recently.

739
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:41,090
>> Do you understand that?

740
00:33:41,090 --> 00:33:41,750
>> Yes, I do.

741
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:42,550
>> OK.

742
00:33:42,550 --> 00:33:43,898
And she's giggling about this.

743
00:33:43,898 --> 00:33:45,440
She said you're
going to change that.

744
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,920
Now, there are some
great photographs of--

745
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,420
everyone has
photographs-- but she's

746
00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:53,300
telling me that you were
very concerned about having

747
00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:57,810
a particular photograph after
she died of you together.

748
00:33:57,810 --> 00:33:58,610
>> OK.

749
00:33:58,610 --> 00:33:59,030
Yes.

750
00:33:59,030 --> 00:34:00,655
>> And it gets very
emotional with her.

751
00:34:00,655 --> 00:34:02,990
I also want to ask you,
did you put this photograph

752
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:05,300
on a refrigerator or was
there one on the refrigerator?

753
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:06,110
>> Absolutely.

754
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:08,800
>> Thank you, because she gets
very emotional when she talks

755
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:09,600
about that.

756
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,060
And she said she loves that.

757
00:34:11,060 --> 00:34:12,320
She loves that picture.

758
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,290
And it almost describes
the two of you together,

759
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:17,510
your relationship, your
friendship, all right?

760
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:18,739
>> Hmm.

761
00:34:18,739 --> 00:34:19,683
>> One more thing--

762
00:34:19,683 --> 00:34:21,350
she's talking about
a collection of-- it

763
00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:24,560
sounds weird-- either shot
glasses, or drinking glasses,

764
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,010
or mugs.

765
00:34:26,010 --> 00:34:26,810
>> Martini glasses.

766
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:27,830
>> Martini glasses.

767
00:34:27,830 --> 00:34:28,760
Do you collect these?

768
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,429
>> Yes, I do.

769
00:34:29,429 --> 00:34:30,170
>> OK.

770
00:34:30,170 --> 00:34:32,739
And she's talking about that
and she's laughing her head off.

771
00:34:32,739 --> 00:34:33,539
>> [LAUGHING]

772
00:34:33,539 --> 00:34:35,315
>> Can she say,
James, how she passed?

773
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,900
>> She's telling me that this
happened very quickly with her

774
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:41,872
passing.

775
00:34:41,872 --> 00:34:44,080
And I don't know, but she
said it happened very fast.

776
00:34:47,449 --> 00:34:49,159
It's funny, but she
said, I want to think

777
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:50,480
of the good times, not the bad.

778
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,020
>> Hmm.

779
00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:51,630
>> OK.

780
00:34:51,630 --> 00:34:53,593
>> So I don't know, but
she's saying it was--

781
00:34:53,593 --> 00:34:55,760
she's going on about it
wasn't good, it wasn't good,

782
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,540
it wasn't good.

783
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:57,340
>> How is she?

784
00:34:57,340 --> 00:34:58,180
Where is she?

785
00:34:58,180 --> 00:34:58,580
>> Hold on.

786
00:34:58,580 --> 00:35:00,788
Let me just keep on getting
more information for you,

787
00:35:00,788 --> 00:35:03,770
because I want--

788
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:05,040
was she killed at all?

789
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:05,840
>> No.

790
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,920
>> She wasn't killed.

791
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,070
But I feel like for some reason
she dies and she's surprised.

792
00:35:11,070 --> 00:35:11,870
Isn't that weird.

793
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:13,580
I get that she's surprised.

794
00:35:13,580 --> 00:35:15,240
Hold on.

795
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:16,040
OK.

796
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,620
She's telling me to let
you know and she's going on

797
00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:21,290
about how happy she is now.

798
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:22,250
She's happier now.

799
00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:25,020
She didn't expect to die young.

800
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:25,820
She died young.

801
00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:27,800
And she didn't expect that.

802
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,890
And she said she's right
behind you right now.

803
00:35:30,890 --> 00:35:32,480
>> [LAUGHING].

804
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,210
>> And when you hear-- when
you feel the hairs on the back

805
00:35:35,210 --> 00:35:37,820
of your neck stand up, it's her.

806
00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:40,280
Also did she have a cat?

807
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,150
>> Who?

808
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:42,720
>> Did Luana, this
girl, have a cat?

809
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:43,520
>> Yes, she did.

810
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:44,320
>> Uh-huh.

811
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,680
And were you concerned
about her cat if she died?

812
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,480
>> Yes.

813
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,110
OK.

814
00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:49,550
And she's saying you wanted
to put it in a good place.

815
00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:50,690
You wanted to keep
it for a little while

816
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:52,370
and did something with
this cat, she's telling me.

817
00:35:52,370 --> 00:35:53,810
>> Yes, yes, very
important for her.

818
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:54,610
>> OK.

819
00:35:54,610 --> 00:35:57,320
And she wants you to
take care of her kitty.

820
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,600
She's going on about that.

821
00:35:58,600 --> 00:35:59,400
>> OK.

822
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640
We'll go to a break
and we'll be right back

823
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:02,832
with James Van Praagh.

824
00:36:02,832 --> 00:36:04,790
>> I just want to say a
couple of things first.

825
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:06,920
It's interesting
that how spirits

826
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,240
communicate very differently.

827
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,770
Like that last thing
with the Martini glasses,

828
00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:12,690
now she just showed me
glasses and drinking.

829
00:36:12,690 --> 00:36:15,050
And it's interesting that
that's how they communicate.

830
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:16,770
And also with the
death condition,

831
00:36:16,770 --> 00:36:18,770
sometimes they don't want to
go back to the memory of that,

832
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:19,770
so they won't reveal it.

833
00:36:19,770 --> 00:36:21,745
So I just want to
share that with you.

834
00:36:21,745 --> 00:36:24,120
>> And I want to share with
you that I knew that deceased

835
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,520
person as well, and that was
very good and very accurate.

836
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,190
>> Talking to
Harry Dean Stanton.

837
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:33,710
Harry Dean was a friend of
Luana's, a friend of Bill

838
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:35,930
Paxton, and a friend of mine.

839
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:37,670
We spent a few nights
playing guitar,

840
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:39,530
hanging out at
Dan Tana's talking

841
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:41,660
about life and the afterlife.

842
00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:45,650
He was adamant there was
none, that life ends in death.

843
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:51,500
After making countless
movies, from "Cool Hand Luke"

844
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:55,550
to "Pretty in Pink," Harry
passed away at age 91.

845
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:59,150
Here's a sampling
of his iconic roles.

846
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:02,840
>> And Guy phrased it to realize
you're nothing is wisdom,

847
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,140
to realize you're everything
is love, or pure intelligence,

848
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:08,060
pure awareness.

849
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:11,710
And that ultimately that
can be defined in words.

850
00:37:11,710 --> 00:37:13,430
It's beyond words beyond.

851
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:15,210
It's beyond consciousness.

852
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:16,460
Ultimately, it's nothing.

853
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:17,462
It's not important.

854
00:37:17,462 --> 00:37:19,170
And I don't say that
in a negative sense.

855
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:20,410
Ultimately, it's not important.

856
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:21,320
It's all going to go.

857
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,410
This is a fucking
dream, man, all of it.

858
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:27,290
And it's not being
cynical, or nihilistic,

859
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:29,090
or you can put all
kind of labels on it,

860
00:37:29,090 --> 00:37:35,420
but it's just what
is and period.

861
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:37,280
I was 14 years old, I think.

862
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,010
I was alone in my aunt's house.

863
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:43,460
And I got terrified all at once.

864
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:45,440
I started thinking there
was nothing out there.

865
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,880
It was oblivion.

866
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:52,040
I was terrified at 14,
or 13 or 14 years old.

867
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,247
I had to get on the
phone and call somebody.

868
00:37:54,247 --> 00:37:55,580
I think that was the beginning--

869
00:37:55,580 --> 00:37:57,497
>> Why were you convinced
there was no-- why--

870
00:37:57,497 --> 00:38:00,050
why did you have this
panic that there was--

871
00:38:00,050 --> 00:38:03,640
why did you feel so
panicked by this emptiness?

872
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,710
>> There was no answer to it.

873
00:38:05,710 --> 00:38:08,200
It just-- it just happened.

874
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,170
>> After Harry passed, I thought
it would be fun to interview

875
00:38:11,170 --> 00:38:12,850
him through Jennifer.

876
00:38:12,850 --> 00:38:14,620
A week before his
memorial service,

877
00:38:14,620 --> 00:38:18,110
Jennifer and I
took up the topic.

878
00:38:18,110 --> 00:38:20,790
Well let's ask--
because we can, let's

879
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:24,230
ask Luana how her
friends who just

880
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:29,120
showed up this past
week, Harry Dean.

881
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,350
>> Oh and don't forget
Hugh, he knew Hugh.

882
00:38:31,350 --> 00:38:32,970
>> He named Hugh, OK.

883
00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:35,930
Well, let's focus on Harry
Dean a little more because--

884
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:37,160
>> I know about Harry Dean.

885
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,000
Let me find out.

886
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,280
Let me see.

887
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,170
He didn't accept it at first.

888
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:44,100
>> OK, very good.

889
00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,635
>> Which then, your
belief system--

890
00:38:45,635 --> 00:38:47,260
it's whatever you
believe is not wrong,

891
00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:48,588
it's just that's just the way.

892
00:38:48,588 --> 00:38:50,130
If you believe that
there's nothing--

893
00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:55,590
if you believe that
there's nothing that

894
00:38:55,590 --> 00:38:57,740
is going to be there, right?

895
00:38:57,740 --> 00:38:58,740
Then that's your belief.

896
00:39:01,620 --> 00:39:03,600
He tried to quantify
it the best way he can.

897
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,595
Oh, this is a
consciousness exaggeration.

898
00:39:05,595 --> 00:39:07,470
There was something that
he tried to quantify

899
00:39:07,470 --> 00:39:09,690
or tried to quantify
what he was seeing

900
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:14,295
and it was there with medicine
and the time that he was--

901
00:39:14,295 --> 00:39:16,620
the time that he was
leaving his body.

902
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:19,440
>> So he was assuming that
the medicine was creating

903
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,660
hallucinations.

904
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:22,710
That's what he thought.

905
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:23,190
>> Yes.

906
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:23,910
>> OK.

907
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:24,710
>> Absolutely.

908
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:25,970
He was trying to document it.

909
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:29,140
Did he document things
or was he known for that?

910
00:39:29,140 --> 00:39:32,010
Like wanting proof
or did he study it?

911
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:33,090
>> Yes.

912
00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:35,220
Yeah, he was-- that
was his life was--

913
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:38,350
is he was almost like a
philosopher in that way.

914
00:39:38,350 --> 00:39:41,860
People who knew him and talked
to him, it was like very strong

915
00:39:41,860 --> 00:39:42,660
with him.

916
00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:44,850
>> It felt like a lot of
people around his bed.

917
00:39:44,850 --> 00:39:47,940
So I don't know if it was
etherically or his family.

918
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:50,190
It felt like he was very loved.

919
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:53,160
>> He was very loved.

920
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,560
>> So love, she said.

921
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,360
So loved.

922
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,780
>> And so when he crossed over,
she said he denied it at first

923
00:40:03,780 --> 00:40:05,640
or resisted at first?

924
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:06,670
What was that like?

925
00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:09,540
>> He tried to understand it,
like he does with everything.

926
00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:11,640
So he tried to--

927
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,140
again, the word "quantify"
comes into mind.

928
00:40:14,140 --> 00:40:15,180
>> Yeah, yeah.

929
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:18,690
>> He tried to assume that
he was just like either stuck

930
00:40:18,690 --> 00:40:20,760
in his memory kind of thing.

931
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,276
>> And so who broke through?

932
00:40:23,276 --> 00:40:24,240
>> She did.

933
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,470
>> I believe that.

934
00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:26,940
So how did she break through?

935
00:40:26,940 --> 00:40:28,200
What did you do, Lu?

936
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,160
>> Held his hand.

937
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,270
>> Held his hand.

938
00:40:30,270 --> 00:40:31,283
>> Held this hand.

939
00:40:31,283 --> 00:40:33,400
Told him it was safe.

940
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,805
>> Told him he was safe.

941
00:40:34,805 --> 00:40:36,786
>> Told him it was safe.

942
00:40:36,786 --> 00:40:39,000
It would be a soft landing.

943
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,230
>> Soft landing.

944
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:43,410
>> Now you and Harry Dean
went on a trip together.

945
00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:46,016
>> Yes, they did to Santa
Barbara or somewhere fun?

946
00:40:46,016 --> 00:40:47,732
>> They went north
on a road trip.

947
00:40:47,732 --> 00:40:48,940
>> That's what she showed me.

948
00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:50,195
She showed me a car.

949
00:40:50,195 --> 00:40:51,820
And she showed me
like a hat, like it's

950
00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:53,880
something with a convertible.

951
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,410
>> Convertible.

952
00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:57,277
Be specific, please.

953
00:40:57,277 --> 00:40:58,110
So convertible, hat.

954
00:40:58,110 --> 00:40:59,520
>> And the care
meant everything.

955
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,780
>> The car meant everything.

956
00:41:00,780 --> 00:41:01,590
Whose car was it?

957
00:41:01,590 --> 00:41:02,390
Was it Harry's?

958
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:04,605
>> No, it doesn't look--

959
00:41:04,605 --> 00:41:05,990
he had part ownership.

960
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:08,350
It felt like it was a studio's
car, something like that.

961
00:41:08,350 --> 00:41:09,150
>> OK.

962
00:41:09,150 --> 00:41:10,033
That's possible.

963
00:41:10,033 --> 00:41:11,700
But there was another
person in the car.

964
00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:14,480
I'm going to see him on Monday.

965
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,650
>> Was it her brother?

966
00:41:16,650 --> 00:41:17,460
>> Like a brother?

967
00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:19,140
>> Like a brother,
they grew up together.

968
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:20,190
I feel like they
went to high school,

969
00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:21,315
like they grew up together.

970
00:41:21,315 --> 00:41:22,190
>> Career together.

971
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:24,450
>> Career together, same thing.

972
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:27,300
>> Anything you two want me
to tell Fred when I see him

973
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:28,740
on Monday?

974
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:29,580
>> Just hearts.

975
00:41:29,580 --> 00:41:31,530
She just blew like
hearts and kisses.

976
00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:32,550
>> Hearts and kisses.

977
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:32,880
OK.

978
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,850
That's not enough for Fred.

979
00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:34,650
>> I know.

980
00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:36,570
Tell Fred he's dehydrated.

981
00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:38,520
There's something
with his headaches.

982
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,330
>> OK.

983
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:40,230
>> He has headaches.

984
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:40,860
>> He has headaches.

985
00:41:40,860 --> 00:41:42,180
And he needs to hydrate more.

986
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:42,980
>> Right.

987
00:41:42,980 --> 00:41:44,110
>> Drink more water.

988
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:44,910
All right.

989
00:41:44,910 --> 00:41:45,540
That's very good.

990
00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:46,340
That's something.

991
00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:47,880
And so when they
got to Monterey,

992
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,580
there was something
going on, an event.

993
00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:54,450
>> There was a festival
that was going on.

994
00:41:54,450 --> 00:41:57,060
>> What kind of a festival?

995
00:41:57,060 --> 00:41:58,915
>> She says free
spirit festival.

996
00:41:58,915 --> 00:41:59,715
>> OK.

997
00:41:59,715 --> 00:42:02,140
>> But the festival
that was going on--

998
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:05,480
she's showing me movie screens,
so there was something that was

999
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,230
going--they had to like sit.

1000
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:08,980
And then she's showing
me screens that you

1001
00:42:08,980 --> 00:42:10,528
take pictures in front of.

1002
00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:12,120
They had to be a part of.

1003
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,567
And it had to do with
advertising, whatever it was.

1004
00:42:20,567 --> 00:42:21,900
>> Were there people performing?

1005
00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:23,067
>> They just did it for fun.

1006
00:42:23,067 --> 00:42:24,994
It felt like a--

1007
00:42:24,994 --> 00:42:28,080
in our day, like a
bunch of bands playing,

1008
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,160
like a reggae thing.

1009
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:29,960
>> Yeah, yeah.

1010
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,000
>> Something like that.

1011
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,360
>> Yeah.

1012
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,260
>> But it was like
the first of its kind.

1013
00:42:35,260 --> 00:42:35,690
>> Yes.

1014
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:37,357
>> One of the first,
like "Lollapalooza"

1015
00:42:37,357 --> 00:42:39,270
but way back then.

1016
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:41,770
>> Do you remember any of
the acts that you saw perform

1017
00:42:41,770 --> 00:42:42,570
there?

1018
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:45,030
>> I just got shown Prince,
but I don't think he was there.

1019
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:46,260
So I-- can't imagine.

1020
00:42:46,260 --> 00:42:47,505
>> But somebody like Prince.

1021
00:42:47,505 --> 00:42:48,630
>> Somebody as big as that.

1022
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:50,940
>> Somebody in that
kind of vein of Prince.

1023
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:52,410
>> Yes, like Michael.

1024
00:42:52,410 --> 00:42:53,600
>> OK.

1025
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,400
OK.

1026
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,350
But--

1027
00:42:55,350 --> 00:42:55,920
>> It wasn't.

1028
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,720
I know that.

1029
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,600
>> I know but Prince
was a guy who played--

1030
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,400
>> Guitar.

1031
00:42:59,400 --> 00:42:59,760
>> OK.

1032
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:00,900
>> So was it Jimi Hendrix.

1033
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:01,850
>> Correct.

1034
00:43:01,850 --> 00:43:01,950
>> OK.

1035
00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:03,617
So she showed me Jimi
Hendrix and that's

1036
00:43:03,617 --> 00:43:05,080
where I got the
reggae part of it.

1037
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,880
>> Now--

1038
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:06,660
>> There is an afterlife.

1039
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:09,240
>> Is there-- oh, is that
what you want me to tell Fred?

1040
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,310
>> Thank you, Luana.

1041
00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:10,770
>> OK.

1042
00:43:10,770 --> 00:43:11,570
That's very--

1043
00:43:11,570 --> 00:43:12,430
>> Fred knows it.

1044
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:14,560
Fred was much more mature,
he says, than he was.

1045
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,360
>> All right.

1046
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,020
Can I put an exclamation
point in that?

1047
00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:20,550
>> Go easy on him.

1048
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:21,450
Remember the baby.

1049
00:43:21,450 --> 00:43:22,780
Remember the baby.

1050
00:43:22,780 --> 00:43:23,580
>> OK.

1051
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:26,200
The girl who had
the baby that died?

1052
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,000
OK.

1053
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,860
>> Or miscarried or
something along those lines.

1054
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:29,130
>> All right.

1055
00:43:29,130 --> 00:43:30,045
That's OK.

1056
00:43:30,045 --> 00:43:31,920
I don't know if I would
be able to reach her,

1057
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,315
because I don't know her.

1058
00:43:33,315 --> 00:43:34,800
>> He's showing me Google.

1059
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,538
So I don't know if
there's something

1060
00:43:35,538 --> 00:43:35,700
that can be on the internet.

1061
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:36,330
>> OK.

1062
00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:37,130
All right.

1063
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:38,400
I'll look that up, Harry.

1064
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,450
I'll do that.

1065
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:41,460
Now there's a mutual
friend that we have.

1066
00:43:41,460 --> 00:43:43,650
If you look around this
room, there's another person

1067
00:43:43,650 --> 00:43:45,210
that Harry Dean knows.

1068
00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:46,380
>> Well Bill Paxton, right?

1069
00:43:46,380 --> 00:43:47,180
>> Thank you.

1070
00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:48,400
>> See, well Bill showed up.

1071
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,620
So I just wanted to
make sure that was him.

1072
00:43:49,620 --> 00:43:49,980
>> OK.

1073
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:50,780
That's correct.

1074
00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:53,575
And so now do you
know consciously

1075
00:43:53,575 --> 00:43:54,450
why they're together?

1076
00:43:57,300 --> 00:43:59,410
>> Showing me like a
mentor or something.

1077
00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:00,210
>> Very good.

1078
00:44:00,210 --> 00:44:00,780
OK.

1079
00:44:00,780 --> 00:44:01,320
Very good.

1080
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,720
>> A mentor and I think
Bill was really young or one

1081
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:05,340
or the other was very young.

1082
00:44:05,340 --> 00:44:08,580
And it had to do something
when they were young.

1083
00:44:08,580 --> 00:44:12,960
>> What was it like for Harry to
see Bill or Bill to see Harry?

1084
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,500
>> Oh, they had a drink.

1085
00:44:15,500 --> 00:44:18,608
They were just-- they
were like what the fuck,

1086
00:44:18,608 --> 00:44:20,400
I can't believe
this is happening.

1087
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:20,730
>> Very good.

1088
00:44:20,730 --> 00:44:23,250
Well the both of you-- the both
of you get the chance to sort

1089
00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:23,460
of--

1090
00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:25,877
>> But which part in "Titanic--"
he was part of "Titanic."

1091
00:44:25,877 --> 00:44:27,640
Because he showed me "Titanic."

1092
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,320
>> Yeah, Bill was
part of "Titanic."

1093
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,450
So Lu, talking to Harry,
Harry is there one thing

1094
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:34,830
he wants to let us know?

1095
00:44:34,830 --> 00:44:38,800
There is an afterlife,
exclamation point.

1096
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,490
>> No.

1097
00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:43,860
There's more than an afterlife.

1098
00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:45,418
>> So there is an
afterlife comma,

1099
00:44:45,418 --> 00:44:46,710
there's more than an afterlife.

1100
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:50,020
>> There's a present life
that creates an afterlife.

1101
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:52,050
>> What does that mean, Harry?

1102
00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:52,850
Or is that Lu?

1103
00:44:52,850 --> 00:44:54,350
>> He's showing me
different levels.

1104
00:44:54,350 --> 00:44:56,913
>> Yeah?

1105
00:44:56,913 --> 00:44:58,580
>> He said because
he didn't believe it,

1106
00:44:58,580 --> 00:44:59,550
he kept on spinning.

1107
00:44:59,550 --> 00:45:02,260
He wasted a lot of time here
mentally thinking about it,

1108
00:45:02,260 --> 00:45:04,697
because he couldn't--
he couldn't escape it.

1109
00:45:04,697 --> 00:45:06,780
So he's like on the bottom
of the treadmill on it.

1110
00:45:06,780 --> 00:45:09,620
If you just believe,
then it will take you--

1111
00:45:09,620 --> 00:45:12,960
why you're here, you're able to
be more present versus fighting

1112
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:13,760
it.

1113
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,593
>> You don't know who
Harry Dean is, do you?

1114
00:45:15,593 --> 00:45:17,420
>> I have no fucking
idea who he is.

1115
00:45:17,420 --> 00:45:18,600
I thought he was a sausage.

1116
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:19,400
>> OK.

1117
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,200
>> Sorry.

1118
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,200
>> He's not Jimmy Dean.

1119
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,930
But Bill knows who he is
and Luana knows who he is.

1120
00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:24,815
And Luana knows--

1121
00:45:24,815 --> 00:45:25,690
>> Bill was very--

1122
00:45:25,690 --> 00:45:27,890
Bill was just like
this to Harry.

1123
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:31,730
>> Kimberly Babcock is a medium
and a minister from Ohio.

1124
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:33,680
She was visiting Los
Angeles when I asked

1125
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,790
to meet her for the first time.

1126
00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:40,220
Unfortunately, it was in
another noisy restaurant.

1127
00:45:40,220 --> 00:45:42,290
In the interview with
Kimberly Babcock,

1128
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:44,930
I asked if we could speak
to my old friend Bill who

1129
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:46,620
passed a few weeks prior.

1130
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:47,960
I never say his full name.

1131
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,110
She has no idea who he is,
but everything she says

1132
00:45:51,110 --> 00:45:51,950
is accurate.

1133
00:45:57,677 --> 00:45:59,760
>> Was he unable to say
goodbye before you passed?

1134
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,560
>> Yes.

1135
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,490
>> Yeah, must have been
quick or no closure.

1136
00:46:04,490 --> 00:46:05,290
That's it.

1137
00:46:05,290 --> 00:46:07,980
I have-- I have closure.

1138
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:09,420
I am at peace.

1139
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:12,090
I am-- he knows that he
didn't get to say goodbye.

1140
00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:13,810
There's no closure.

1141
00:46:13,810 --> 00:46:18,060
Sounds like this they still have
that wound, because there was

1142
00:46:18,060 --> 00:46:19,830
no closure before he passed.

1143
00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:21,890
Or he must not have been
able to say goodbye,

1144
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:24,870
like he keeps going like this,
which means didn't get to say

1145
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:26,400
goodbye before he passed.

1146
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,590
>> Bill Paxton has died.

1147
00:46:28,590 --> 00:46:32,280
Celebrities reacted quickly
to the loss on Twitter.

1148
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:36,060
"Apollo 13" co-star Tom
Hanks sweetly wrote, "Bill

1149
00:46:36,060 --> 00:46:38,160
was simply a wonderful man."

1150
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,290
>> There was room on
the door for Jack.

1151
00:46:40,290 --> 00:46:44,160
>> Bill was known for starring
in iconic blockbuster films

1152
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,754
including "Titanic," "Aliens,"
"Apollo 13," and "Twister."

1153
00:46:49,754 --> 00:46:53,100
>> What does he
look like to you?

1154
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,610
>> I actually don't
see him at all.

1155
00:46:54,610 --> 00:46:56,250
He just makes me do
that with my hand.

1156
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:56,655
>> OK.

1157
00:46:56,655 --> 00:46:58,776
You feel a sensation or
a presence about you?

1158
00:46:58,776 --> 00:47:00,120
>> Um-hmm.

1159
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,755
Did he have heart issues, chest?

1160
00:47:01,755 --> 00:47:02,100
>> Yes.

1161
00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:02,910
>> Yeah.

1162
00:47:02,910 --> 00:47:04,910
All the energy goes into
the heart and the chest

1163
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:05,952
to validate his presence.

1164
00:47:05,952 --> 00:47:07,952
And he makes me feel like
his passing was quick,

1165
00:47:07,952 --> 00:47:09,750
like he didn't get
to say goodbye,

1166
00:47:09,750 --> 00:47:13,150
but he's at peace with
the quickness of it.

1167
00:47:13,150 --> 00:47:14,650
And I have closure with that.

1168
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:16,920
And I want they--
them to have closure.

1169
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,152
They need to have closure.

1170
00:47:18,152 --> 00:47:20,402
>> So really, the only way
we can give them closure is

1171
00:47:20,402 --> 00:47:22,120
for you to tell them something--

1172
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:22,920
>> Who?

1173
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,415
>> --that they don't know the
answer to-- or we don't know

1174
00:47:25,415 --> 00:47:26,215
the answer.

1175
00:47:26,215 --> 00:47:27,673
Is there anything
you can tell them

1176
00:47:27,673 --> 00:47:30,570
that's new or more information?

1177
00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:33,600
>> All I heard-- when you were
kind of talking was I'm sorry.

1178
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,610
Would you know if
his dad was there,

1179
00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:37,140
if his dad was
passed before he did?

1180
00:47:37,140 --> 00:47:38,100
>> Yes, he did.

1181
00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:41,400
>> Because I see dad
like written in the air.

1182
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:42,630
So it's dad.

1183
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:44,580
>> In interviews with
two other mediums,

1184
00:47:44,580 --> 00:47:48,330
Jennifer Shaffer and Raylene
Yuanez both said his father was

1185
00:47:48,330 --> 00:47:49,410
there to greet him.

1186
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:51,510
When we asked Bill if
that was a happy reunion,

1187
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:54,660
he said, yes and no, because
that meant one thing--

1188
00:47:54,660 --> 00:47:56,950
I must have died if
I'm seeing my dad.

1189
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:57,750
>> Interesting.

1190
00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:00,410
>> Well, Billy, I just wanted
to tell you I want to leave this

1191
00:48:00,410 --> 00:48:01,650
door open for you.

1192
00:48:01,650 --> 00:48:03,260
I knew I was
interviewing Kim today

1193
00:48:03,260 --> 00:48:07,890
and I thought, well, this would
be a fun chance to just say hi.

1194
00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:12,450
And you can come to wherever
you need to, if you need to.

1195
00:48:12,450 --> 00:48:17,100
>> He says he feels like
he would be a smart aleck.

1196
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:18,600
>> He would.

1197
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,680
>> He says we always have
the chance to say hi.

1198
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,490
You don't need her.

1199
00:48:23,490 --> 00:48:23,948
That's what he's saying.

1200
00:48:23,948 --> 00:48:25,322
>> Well, no, I know that.

1201
00:48:25,322 --> 00:48:26,700
I'm just saying--

1202
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:28,800
>> He's just smart aleck.

1203
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,150
Did he smoke?

1204
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:31,320
>> Probably.

1205
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,180
>> He's got like a--

1206
00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:38,490
it must be a cigar, because it
feels bigger than a cigarette.

1207
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:41,100
He feels like he
knows no stranger,

1208
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:42,880
like that kind of person.

1209
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,563
>> So what was the biggest thing
you've learned in passing over?

1210
00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:50,020
>> There is no time.

1211
00:48:50,020 --> 00:48:52,590
There is no death, he says.

1212
00:48:52,590 --> 00:48:57,957
And he didn't realize how much
fear he had, until he died.

1213
00:48:57,957 --> 00:48:59,040
I'll just say it verbatim.

1214
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,465
Like I'll speak as if I'm him.

1215
00:49:00,465 --> 00:49:02,190
He says, I'll say this.

1216
00:49:02,190 --> 00:49:04,710
I realize the fear that
I carried within myself

1217
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:06,900
planted fear in others.

1218
00:49:06,900 --> 00:49:11,460
And for that, I shed remorse.

1219
00:49:11,460 --> 00:49:13,860
Meaning I know and
acknowledge my remorse

1220
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:15,708
and I have to heal in that way.

1221
00:49:15,708 --> 00:49:18,000
Because he's showing like
the collateral damage he did.

1222
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,195
So for example-- this is what
he's saying to give an example.

1223
00:49:20,195 --> 00:49:22,680
Like we walk around, like,
I'm so worried about my heart.

1224
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,730
I'm so worried about--

1225
00:49:23,730 --> 00:49:26,770
and other people think, oh
gosh, I should be worried, too.

1226
00:49:26,770 --> 00:49:29,070
And so it created
collateral damage

1227
00:49:29,070 --> 00:49:32,100
because we then
believe in our fears

1228
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:34,800
and it created this
collateral damage he said.

1229
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,260
He didn't realize
how much he did that.

1230
00:49:37,260 --> 00:49:39,150
He's funny.

1231
00:49:39,150 --> 00:49:40,320
I liked his personality.

1232
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,060
He's one of those
people that he's

1233
00:49:42,060 --> 00:49:46,392
going to give you a little bit
just to make you want more.

1234
00:49:46,392 --> 00:49:47,850
When you said is
there anything you

1235
00:49:47,850 --> 00:49:52,200
want me to tell your friends,
or family, or whatever,

1236
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,080
he literally said I can fly.

1237
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,940
And he's playing like
(SINGING) I can fly, I can fly.

1238
00:49:57,940 --> 00:49:58,740
You know?

1239
00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:00,510
>> Great.

1240
00:50:00,510 --> 00:50:03,810
>> But he's laughing, because
it's almost like I know they

1241
00:50:03,810 --> 00:50:06,030
want more but this is
what I'll give them--

1242
00:50:06,030 --> 00:50:07,630
I can fly.

1243
00:50:07,630 --> 00:50:09,720
>> Can you tell
Kim your last name?

1244
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:15,010
>> Why?

1245
00:50:15,010 --> 00:50:15,810
That's what he did.

1246
00:50:15,810 --> 00:50:17,118
>> That's what he did.

1247
00:50:17,118 --> 00:50:17,990
OK.

1248
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:18,900
I know he loves--

1249
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:20,380
>> I said are you sure?

1250
00:50:20,380 --> 00:50:22,650
And he's like
checking his pockets--

1251
00:50:22,650 --> 00:50:24,150
nope, he says.

1252
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:25,393
>> Come on, Billy, come one.

1253
00:50:25,393 --> 00:50:27,810
>> Let me tell you the conscious
information that I know--

1254
00:50:27,810 --> 00:50:31,350
is your name with an
'e' at the end of Towne.

1255
00:50:31,350 --> 00:50:33,340
And he just told me this today.

1256
00:50:33,340 --> 00:50:34,925
And then I also
know because he said

1257
00:50:34,925 --> 00:50:37,050
he worked with you that
you must be in the industry

1258
00:50:37,050 --> 00:50:38,130
or you were in the industry.

1259
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:38,940
>> Um-hmm.

1260
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:40,420
>> And so that's what I do know.

1261
00:50:40,420 --> 00:50:43,200
I don't know anything else.

1262
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,390
>> Should we'd say if our
friend Hira is available?

1263
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:50,747
>> I don't know how
you're going to do that.

1264
00:50:50,747 --> 00:50:52,080
>> Well, this is up to Jennifer.

1265
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,910
Now Luana, Eddie,
you know who Hira is.

1266
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:58,710
>> OK.

1267
00:50:58,710 --> 00:51:00,090
How do you spell Hira?

1268
00:51:00,090 --> 00:51:02,380
>> H-I-R-A.

1269
00:51:02,380 --> 00:51:04,230
>> He wouldn't know that.

1270
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:05,500
I have a picture of Hira.

1271
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:06,300
You do?

1272
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:07,140
>> Oh, that would be helpful.

1273
00:51:07,140 --> 00:51:08,015
>> You have it handy?

1274
00:51:08,015 --> 00:51:09,840
>> That's how I look at cases.

1275
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,240
Hira, I couldn't find Hira.

1276
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:13,680
I'm like, Hira, where are you?

1277
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,840
I was looking for a person.

1278
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:16,960
Awesome.

1279
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,105
OK, give me a second.

1280
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:24,050
Was there something wrong with
Hira's chest, that usually--

1281
00:51:24,050 --> 00:51:25,170
>> He had a heart attack.

1282
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:25,970
>> OK.

1283
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:27,120
So that's his chest area.

1284
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:27,920
Right here.

1285
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,550
OK.

1286
00:51:28,550 --> 00:51:29,840
Luana is holding on to Hira.

1287
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:30,653
>> OK, Luana's--

1288
00:51:30,653 --> 00:51:31,820
>> Luana's holding onto her.

1289
00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:33,170
>> Luana's holding onto Hira.

1290
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:33,970
>> >> Yeah.

1291
00:51:33,970 --> 00:51:34,802
>> Him.

1292
00:51:34,802 --> 00:51:36,080
>> She knew him.

1293
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,880
>> Well I-- she's just
showing me playing with him.

1294
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,380
So--

1295
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:42,210
>> So Lu, we want
to talk to Hira.

1296
00:51:42,210 --> 00:51:43,920
We want to ask him questions.

1297
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,720
>> OK.

1298
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,510
Hira's saying that you
have felt him when he--

1299
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:48,950
after he passed.

1300
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:50,330
You felt like an energy.

1301
00:51:50,330 --> 00:51:53,930
I don't know if it was in
the bed or next to you.

1302
00:51:53,930 --> 00:51:57,470
Did you ever feel that
thinking it was him?

1303
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:58,430
That was him.

1304
00:51:58,430 --> 00:51:59,310
That was him.

1305
00:51:59,310 --> 00:52:02,450
And so he's showing me like
you getting startled thinking

1306
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:05,190
that you felt that.

1307
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:07,220
And he's showing
me that was him.

1308
00:52:07,220 --> 00:52:08,930
Like he comes across
like a person,

1309
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:10,490
like somebody that you cherish.

1310
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:13,820
Was he-- there's
something about 12.

1311
00:52:13,820 --> 00:52:15,510
>> He died at the age of 12.

1312
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:16,310
>> He did.

1313
00:52:16,310 --> 00:52:18,180
>> OK, thank you
Hira, appreciate that.

1314
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:20,510
>> He said, that but
when they show me 12,

1315
00:52:20,510 --> 00:52:25,070
sometimes it means
December so I wasn't sure.

1316
00:52:25,070 --> 00:52:27,360
I felt like you
took him everywhere.

1317
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,160
>> I did.

1318
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,760
>> You took him everywhere.

1319
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,060
He says that you were the
best owner in the world.

1320
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:35,930
Everybody wanted to
come back and be Hira.

1321
00:52:35,930 --> 00:52:42,710
Like you put him first more
than anything else or any human.

1322
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:44,930
>> At that time in my
life, I certainly did.

1323
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:46,310
>> OK.

1324
00:52:46,310 --> 00:52:49,170
>> That's a good thing to ask.

1325
00:52:49,170 --> 00:52:51,710
>> So when you're able
to, a Lotus position--

1326
00:52:51,710 --> 00:52:55,160
they keep showing me you in
a Lotus position, just calm.

1327
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,758
And then just use your heart.

1328
00:52:56,758 --> 00:52:58,550
That's where they're
saying open your heart

1329
00:52:58,550 --> 00:52:59,610
and just think of them.

1330
00:52:59,610 --> 00:53:01,310
It's like a calling card.

1331
00:53:01,310 --> 00:53:05,120
>> Those are three of the most
important people in my life--

1332
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,760
Hira, Eddie, and Lulu.

1333
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,790
>> Hira's being
well taken care of.

1334
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:16,740
>> Since then Hira has helped
speak to other animals.

1335
00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:20,120
Hira reports, "Animals are
aware of how incarnation works

1336
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,740
but humans are not."

1337
00:53:21,740 --> 00:53:23,360
Robert had been a
skeptic, but when

1338
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,456
asked his thoughts
since said, "Martinus--"

1339
00:53:25,456 --> 00:53:27,080
his nickname for me--

1340
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,682
"when you know, you know."

1341
00:53:30,682 --> 00:53:32,240
>> Part Three--

1342
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:37,550
Hacking the Afterlife via
Accessing Near Death Events.

1343
00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:41,180
>> An incredible installment in
our series She's Got Faith with

1344
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:44,570
the question what
happens when we die?

1345
00:53:44,570 --> 00:53:47,360
Stephanie Arnold says she
knows the answer, because she

1346
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,850
was dead for 37 seconds.

1347
00:53:49,850 --> 00:53:52,700
She flatlined while giving
birth to her second child.

1348
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:55,490
And a glimpse of what
happens after death

1349
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:58,142
forever changed her life.

1350
00:53:58,142 --> 00:54:00,350
>> And the thing was is that
I had had a baby before.

1351
00:54:00,350 --> 00:54:01,580
I'd had a c-section before.

1352
00:54:01,580 --> 00:54:03,840
So it wasn't the
fear of the unknown.

1353
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,700
So I told everybody, I said
not only am I going to die.

1354
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:09,170
I'm going to need
a hysterectomy.

1355
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:10,310
I'm going to hemorrhage.

1356
00:54:10,310 --> 00:54:11,910
These organs are
going to combine.

1357
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:13,785
I'm going to be put
under general anesthesia.

1358
00:54:13,785 --> 00:54:15,020
The baby's going to be fine.

1359
00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:17,020
And I'm going to be dead
on the operating table.

1360
00:54:17,020 --> 00:54:19,490
So I saw who hit the
button for the code.

1361
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:22,160
I saw that my anesthesiologist
was down by my feet.

1362
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:27,050
I saw the nurse that jumped
on my chest to give me CPR.

1363
00:54:27,050 --> 00:54:30,020
I saw what was happening down
the hall with my other child

1364
00:54:30,020 --> 00:54:31,490
in the labor and delivery room.

1365
00:54:31,490 --> 00:54:33,410
My husband wasn't
present at the time,

1366
00:54:33,410 --> 00:54:37,430
but I saw what he was wearing
when he got off the plane.

1367
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:40,340
I had heard my doctor say
over and over again this

1368
00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:42,360
can't be happening,
this can't be happening.

1369
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,600
And I said to her later,
I said, did you say that?

1370
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,210
And she said I did,
but in my head.

1371
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:50,450
>> Are you seeing yourself
translucent or are you just

1372
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:52,490
seeing the energetic visual?

1373
00:54:52,490 --> 00:54:55,790
Like is it just light or is
it actually you and light

1374
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:57,480
or a combination of the two?

1375
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,840
>> You know I don't see
as much of the torso.

1376
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,360
I don't see feet.

1377
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,840
I see more of like
from waist up.

1378
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:06,770
>> OK.

1379
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:08,960
>> And I see a dress,
like just a long dress.

1380
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,853
So I can't tell where their--

1381
00:55:10,853 --> 00:55:12,020
>> What color is that dress?

1382
00:55:12,020 --> 00:55:13,550
>> It's all white.

1383
00:55:13,550 --> 00:55:14,630
>> OK.

1384
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:18,620
Can we bring Steph's guide here?

1385
00:55:18,620 --> 00:55:19,940
It might be you, Ida.

1386
00:55:19,940 --> 00:55:21,890
But could we bring
her guide here?

1387
00:55:21,890 --> 00:55:26,410
Is it a male, or a
female, neither, or both?

1388
00:55:26,410 --> 00:55:27,550
What comes to mind?

1389
00:55:27,550 --> 00:55:29,260
Or a light?

1390
00:55:29,260 --> 00:55:30,060
>> Male.

1391
00:55:30,060 --> 00:55:30,860
>> A male.

1392
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:31,690
>> It's not--

1393
00:55:31,690 --> 00:55:33,220
>> I'm sorry, say
again-- male what?

1394
00:55:33,220 --> 00:55:34,510
>> It's not-- it's not her.

1395
00:55:34,510 --> 00:55:35,830
She's not my guide.

1396
00:55:35,830 --> 00:55:38,950
>> Sam, I'm going to ask
you to do us a huge favor.

1397
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:44,710
Would you walk our friend
Steph in to visit her council.

1398
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:49,660
>> We're standing outside,
walking on a path.

1399
00:55:49,660 --> 00:55:55,040
And there's a door
in the distance,

1400
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:02,550
but it's a sidewalk
path, like an arch.

1401
00:56:02,550 --> 00:56:03,700
>> OK.

1402
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:05,370
And is there a building
in the distance?

1403
00:56:05,370 --> 00:56:07,347
The door-- attached to the door?

1404
00:56:07,347 --> 00:56:09,180
>> The door is attached
to a building, yeah.

1405
00:56:09,180 --> 00:56:10,263
>> What does it look like?

1406
00:56:10,263 --> 00:56:11,610
Is it white, black, green?

1407
00:56:11,610 --> 00:56:14,520
>> It's white-- it's
white, but a little gray.

1408
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,320
But there's no markings on it.

1409
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,420
>> What does it
look like inside?

1410
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:20,715
What does it looked like?

1411
00:56:20,715 --> 00:56:26,220
>> You know, it feels like
the room is wide open.

1412
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:28,860
>> David Bennett is a former
science officer who drowned

1413
00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:29,700
for 12 minutes.

1414
00:56:29,700 --> 00:56:31,998
His NDE was studied
by scientists

1415
00:56:31,998 --> 00:56:33,540
at the University
of Virginia and was

1416
00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:35,535
featured in Morgan
Freeman's "Story of God."

1417
00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:42,690
>> Just about then this falling
bridge above our heads and it

1418
00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:45,660
just came crashing
down on top of us.

1419
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:48,720
And it folded the Zodiac in half
like a peanut butter sandwich.

1420
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,940
And I was catapulted
into the sea.

1421
00:56:50,940 --> 00:56:56,100
And I'm hanging on to this
old World War II Mae West life

1422
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:57,020
jacket.

1423
00:56:57,020 --> 00:56:59,430
You know the big orange pillows?

1424
00:56:59,430 --> 00:57:00,330
>> Yeah.

1425
00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:04,360
>> And I'm hanging
on to that just--

1426
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:05,730
and I'm a commercial diver.

1427
00:57:05,730 --> 00:57:09,240
I'm trained as a commercial
diver, so I'm not freaking out.

1428
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:10,890
I'm used to being in the water.

1429
00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:13,920
I've logged thousands
of hours underwater.

1430
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,720
>> Right.

1431
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:17,220
>> And so I'm just
holding my breath.

1432
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:19,950
And I have faith
that this life vest

1433
00:57:19,950 --> 00:57:23,010
is going to bring me up to
the surface sometime soon.

1434
00:57:23,010 --> 00:57:27,625
You reach a point where the
oxygen deprivation creates

1435
00:57:27,625 --> 00:57:29,310
a euphoria.

1436
00:57:29,310 --> 00:57:33,960
And you believe you can breathe.

1437
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,910
And you just breathe
in saltwater.

1438
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:39,060
And it's not a
pleasant experience.

1439
00:57:39,060 --> 00:57:39,990
But it's a burning.

1440
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:41,640
And it happens very quickly.

1441
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,250
And then, boom, you're gone.

1442
00:57:45,693 --> 00:57:47,610
There's something in the
brain that allows you

1443
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:53,070
to escape that severe agony.

1444
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:55,350
Then I saw this light appear.

1445
00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:58,830
And it wasn't-- it was
just off in the distance.

1446
00:57:58,830 --> 00:58:02,710
And I was drawn to it, just
absolutely drawn to it.

1447
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:05,127
And I felt like I
was moving toward it.

1448
00:58:05,127 --> 00:58:06,960
But I can't tell if it
was coming toward me,

1449
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:07,877
I was going toward it.

1450
00:58:07,877 --> 00:58:10,020
It just felt like
movement to me.

1451
00:58:10,020 --> 00:58:12,910
And it wasn't a tunnel
or anything like that.

1452
00:58:12,910 --> 00:58:13,720
It was just light.

1453
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,610
And as I got closer, and
closer, and closer, it grew.

1454
00:58:17,610 --> 00:58:21,540
It grew and, you know,
and it was infinite.

1455
00:58:21,540 --> 00:58:23,430
And as I got closer,
it looked like millions

1456
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:26,130
upon millions of
fragments of light.

1457
00:58:26,130 --> 00:58:30,210
And they were all moving,
and dancing, and coalescing

1458
00:58:30,210 --> 00:58:32,160
together and stuff like that.

1459
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,980
>> Is there anything in nature
that would fit the description?

1460
00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:39,150
>> Actually, yeah, have you ever
seen a school of like sardines

1461
00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:41,280
or anchovies, how
they work together?

1462
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,100
And sometimes when
they're near the surface,

1463
00:58:44,100 --> 00:58:46,860
they'll move in
unison to the light.

1464
00:58:46,860 --> 00:58:49,830
And they'll refract the light
multiple colors and things

1465
00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:51,180
like that just, you know?

1466
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:53,730
Well, that's kind of like what
the fragments appeared to me.

1467
00:58:53,730 --> 00:58:58,140
They were of a like
mind moving in unison

1468
00:58:58,140 --> 00:59:01,830
and coming together, and
separating, and coming

1469
00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:02,880
together, and doing--

1470
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:04,020
it was beautiful.

1471
00:59:04,020 --> 00:59:05,040
And I was in awe.

1472
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,060
I was in absolute gaga
awe of this light.

1473
00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:10,970
And I-- and I kept--

1474
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:12,830
I was coming closer and closer.

1475
00:59:12,830 --> 00:59:13,830
>> It's kind of stacked.

1476
00:59:13,830 --> 00:59:14,630
OK.

1477
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:17,340
Let's go to the-- let's
go to the first row

1478
00:59:17,340 --> 00:59:19,260
of that stacked group.

1479
00:59:19,260 --> 00:59:22,570
How many people are
in the first row?

1480
00:59:22,570 --> 00:59:23,380
>> Six.

1481
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:24,690
>> Six.

1482
00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:26,850
Very good.

1483
00:59:26,850 --> 00:59:27,780
How are they arrayed?

1484
00:59:27,780 --> 00:59:29,080
Are they in a line?

1485
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,080
Are they sitting or standing?

1486
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,580
Are they in a circle,
a semicircle, or what?

1487
00:59:34,580 --> 00:59:35,950
>> They're in a line.

1488
00:59:35,950 --> 00:59:36,750
>> OK.

1489
00:59:36,750 --> 00:59:39,880
Priscilla, thank you for
allowing us to chat with you.

1490
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,010
We appreciate it.

1491
00:59:41,010 --> 00:59:46,050
First question of the day,
how is our friend Steph doing?

1492
00:59:46,050 --> 00:59:47,587
>> She's going to be fine.

1493
00:59:47,587 --> 00:59:48,670
>> She's going to be fine.

1494
00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:51,840
So that's a little different
than what our pal Sam said,

1495
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:52,740
isn't it?

1496
00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:54,225
Or what Ida said, struggling.

1497
00:59:54,225 --> 00:59:55,530
>> Uh-hmm.

1498
00:59:55,530 --> 00:59:58,710
>> So Priscilla, would you
put that in our friend's mind?

1499
00:59:58,710 --> 01:00:01,830
That not only is she doing OK,
but she's doing pretty good,

1500
01:00:01,830 --> 01:00:03,280
isn't she?

1501
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,080
>> Yes.

1502
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,120
>> She's on the path
she's supposed to be on.

1503
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,780
Am I-- correct me if I'm wrong.

1504
01:00:07,780 --> 01:00:09,000
>> Yes, she is.

1505
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,940
>> By the way Priscilla,
have you heard of me?

1506
01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:14,320
>> Yes.

1507
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,490
>> How so and put
that in Steph's mind?

1508
01:00:17,490 --> 01:00:21,600
>> Ah, through a dog.

1509
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,820
>> So I'm the annoying guy who
goes around and ask questions.

1510
01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:26,070
So through a dog.

1511
01:00:26,070 --> 01:00:26,970
I love that!

1512
01:00:26,970 --> 01:00:29,190
So which dog?

1513
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:30,630
>> I see like--

1514
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:33,990
it looks like a German
shepherd, but it's--

1515
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:37,410
>> Oh my gosh, is it is
it through my dog, Sam?

1516
01:00:37,410 --> 01:00:39,160
How do you know Sam, Priscilla?

1517
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:39,960
Or do you?

1518
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,250
>> I don't know.

1519
01:00:41,250 --> 01:00:43,500
>> But don't judge it.

1520
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:44,370
>> Yeah, I don't--

1521
01:00:44,370 --> 01:00:46,900
I just see her playing
fetch with him.

1522
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:47,700
>> OK.

1523
01:00:47,700 --> 01:00:48,180
Very good.

1524
01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:48,980
Let's not judge it.

1525
01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:49,950
That's hilarious.

1526
01:00:49,950 --> 01:00:50,520
I love it.

1527
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,353
Priscilla, let me ask
you a direct question.

1528
01:00:52,353 --> 01:00:57,280
Is this my dog Sam or is this
some other German shepherd?

1529
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,480
>> That's how we know each
other is through the dog.

1530
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,280
>> OK.

1531
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,080
Great.

1532
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,180
And is it my dog though?

1533
01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:03,460
The dog that I know is Sam?

1534
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:04,360
OK, very good.

1535
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:05,720
>> I believe it is.

1536
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:06,520
>> OK.

1537
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,090
Well she can tell you
no, or maybe, or yes.

1538
01:01:10,090 --> 01:01:11,360
What does she say?

1539
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:12,250
Thumbs up.

1540
01:01:12,250 --> 01:01:13,050
>> She's smiling.

1541
01:01:16,082 --> 01:01:18,767
>> She's saying that you
don't want to believe,

1542
01:01:18,767 --> 01:01:19,600
but I'm telling you.

1543
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,440
>> Oh, I totally--

1544
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,450
I totally-- I talked to
Sam for the first time

1545
01:01:22,450 --> 01:01:23,660
about a month ago.

1546
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:25,570
So I totally get
what she's saying.

1547
01:01:25,570 --> 01:01:28,120
>> And then three fragments
broke away and they came.

1548
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,700
And they--

1549
01:01:30,700 --> 01:01:31,940
>> Three out of--

1550
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:32,740
>> Infinite.

1551
01:01:32,740 --> 01:01:33,340
>> Infinite.

1552
01:01:33,340 --> 01:01:33,880
Out of infinite.

1553
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:34,870
>> Billions and trillions.

1554
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:35,740
>> Yeah.

1555
01:01:35,740 --> 01:01:42,945
And they came toward me and
they conveyed this welcome home.

1556
01:01:42,945 --> 01:01:44,320
And one thing I
forgot to say was

1557
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,030
as I was getting
closer to this light,

1558
01:01:46,030 --> 01:01:48,520
I just kept feeling
these waves of love

1559
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,235
that felt like it was embracing
me in this warm blanket.

1560
01:01:57,580 --> 01:02:02,260
And I was so comfortable
with this love.

1561
01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:08,950
Just it just was such a warm
embrace that when these three--

1562
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:11,680
and I talk to them
as light beings,

1563
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,750
because they were
fragments of light

1564
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:17,380
that were heading toward
me and welcoming me home.

1565
01:02:17,380 --> 01:02:19,330
And it's still
tough to talk about.

1566
01:02:19,330 --> 01:02:21,100
It's been over 30
years and I'm still

1567
01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:26,170
getting choked up because
it was a feeling of home

1568
01:02:26,170 --> 01:02:28,900
like I've never,
ever felt before.

1569
01:02:28,900 --> 01:02:31,240
>> Here's an example of
hacking the afterlife by asking

1570
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:32,830
questions about a vivid dream.

1571
01:02:32,830 --> 01:02:35,170
I was invited by Susan
Pinsky to her podcast

1572
01:02:35,170 --> 01:02:38,440
where I suggested an experiment
with her husband Dr. Drew.

1573
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,650
And so you mentioned
earlier that there was a--

1574
01:02:41,650 --> 01:02:43,640
I think it was a
disconcerting memory?

1575
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:48,010
>> Yeah, I had what I thought
was a horrible dream when I was

1576
01:02:48,010 --> 01:02:50,170
very young, like under
two, under three.

1577
01:02:50,170 --> 01:02:52,790
He had where your irises
are and your pupils,

1578
01:02:52,790 --> 01:02:53,980
he had red crosses.

1579
01:02:53,980 --> 01:02:54,370
>> OK.

1580
01:02:54,370 --> 01:02:54,940
Very cool.

1581
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:55,420
>> Oh.

1582
01:02:55,420 --> 01:02:56,396
>> All right.

1583
01:02:56,396 --> 01:02:57,196
>> Ooh, right?

1584
01:02:57,196 --> 01:02:58,650
>> In life or in this memory?

1585
01:02:58,650 --> 01:02:59,450
>> In this memory.

1586
01:02:59,450 --> 01:03:03,850
I really don't-- I'm just free
associating as you suggested.

1587
01:03:03,850 --> 01:03:04,873
>> Whose home is this?

1588
01:03:04,873 --> 01:03:06,040
Is this the Burgermeister's?

1589
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:06,490
>> Yes.

1590
01:03:06,490 --> 01:03:07,290
>> OK.

1591
01:03:07,290 --> 01:03:11,380
Do me a favor Burgermeister,
put into Drew's mind

1592
01:03:11,380 --> 01:03:13,550
your last name.

1593
01:03:13,550 --> 01:03:14,370
>> Schmitz.

1594
01:03:14,370 --> 01:03:15,440
>> OK, thank you.

1595
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:16,760
And what year?

1596
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,470
Just pop a year--

1597
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:19,430
>> 1900?

1598
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:21,810
Literally 1900 or 1890 or--

1599
01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:23,300
>> Right in right there.

1600
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:26,990
>> Whoever is
Drew's spirit guide,

1601
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:30,160
join this little crowd that
we're talking to here--

1602
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:30,960
the light.

1603
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:31,760
It's a-- thank you.

1604
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,560
OK.

1605
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,250
So can I ask this
light to come forward

1606
01:03:34,250 --> 01:03:35,450
or you get closer to it?

1607
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:35,810
>> Sure.

1608
01:03:35,810 --> 01:03:36,830
>> OK.

1609
01:03:36,830 --> 01:03:40,370
>> And then eventually about
a dozen of these fragments

1610
01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:42,020
of lights were
there greeting me.

1611
01:03:42,020 --> 01:03:45,080
And we started to-- there was
no conveyance of come on, let's

1612
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,040
go, we got to do something.

1613
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:48,770
It was more of just
an understanding

1614
01:03:48,770 --> 01:03:51,260
we've got to go over here.

1615
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:53,390
And we went to this
area that was very--

1616
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:56,690
to me it felt spherical.

1617
01:03:56,690 --> 01:04:00,260
And we started to
reexperience my life.

1618
01:04:00,260 --> 01:04:02,480
And we experienced
it in such a way,

1619
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,300
it wasn't just me
experiencing it.

1620
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:06,890
They were experiencing
it as well.

1621
01:04:06,890 --> 01:04:08,180
And they were very excited.

1622
01:04:08,180 --> 01:04:09,020
>> All 12?

1623
01:04:09,020 --> 01:04:10,070
>> All 12.

1624
01:04:10,070 --> 01:04:13,100
We were all
experiencing my life.

1625
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:15,900
And not just from
my point of view,

1626
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:17,810
but from every
interaction I'd ever

1627
01:04:17,810 --> 01:04:22,820
had from the people that
I'd interacted with.

1628
01:04:22,820 --> 01:04:27,020
I got to see my interactions
and how I hurt other people

1629
01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:27,930
and things like that.

1630
01:04:27,930 --> 01:04:31,370
But I also got to see that
when I did open up, and I did

1631
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:36,410
have experiences of just being
open-hearted and giving freely

1632
01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:40,340
of my love and my
heart how that created

1633
01:04:40,340 --> 01:04:41,690
some of the biggest ripples.

1634
01:04:41,690 --> 01:04:43,880
The things that I
took so much pride in,

1635
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:49,840
like becoming the chief engineer
of Aloha and things like that,

1636
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,760
didn't have such big ripples.

1637
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:53,800
What really had
the bigger ripples

1638
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,710
was when I would help someone
without any look for reward

1639
01:04:56,710 --> 01:04:57,680
or anything.

1640
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:00,970
And I got to really experience
it in this life review

1641
01:05:00,970 --> 01:05:05,050
and see how that planted
a seed in my being

1642
01:05:05,050 --> 01:05:08,920
that when we do
things for each other,

1643
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:13,210
that we're expanding
our connections.

1644
01:05:13,210 --> 01:05:16,130
We're expanding that positive
energy, that sort of thing,

1645
01:05:16,130 --> 01:05:16,930
you know?

1646
01:05:16,930 --> 01:05:20,380
And I didn't know that
through most of my life,

1647
01:05:20,380 --> 01:05:22,750
because I had a lot of
suffering and stuff,

1648
01:05:22,750 --> 01:05:26,050
until I experienced this
where I did it myself,

1649
01:05:26,050 --> 01:05:28,840
of my own free will,
open-hearted without any look

1650
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:30,700
for reward or
anything like that.

1651
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:34,210
I got to experience
this woman's joy.

1652
01:05:34,210 --> 01:05:35,620
Well I had one of those--

1653
01:05:35,620 --> 01:05:37,600
I call it deja vu on steroids--

1654
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,170
type of moments
where I experienced

1655
01:05:41,170 --> 01:05:44,200
part of that future life
review in the hospital when

1656
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,620
the doctor came in and was
telling me you've got cancer.

1657
01:05:47,620 --> 01:05:50,170
Only he didn't use the C word.

1658
01:05:50,170 --> 01:05:53,620
You have tumors that have
done this, and this, and this.

1659
01:05:53,620 --> 01:05:55,180
And so they were
explaining it to me.

1660
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:57,610
When he was doing
it, it was like I

1661
01:05:57,610 --> 01:05:59,692
knew before he
walked in the door

1662
01:05:59,692 --> 01:06:01,150
this-- because I'd
never met this--

1663
01:06:01,150 --> 01:06:03,940
he was an intern at the
hospital that I never knew.

1664
01:06:03,940 --> 01:06:05,020
He came in.

1665
01:06:05,020 --> 01:06:07,630
And I recognized
him immediately.

1666
01:06:07,630 --> 01:06:09,610
And I recognized
the surroundings,

1667
01:06:09,610 --> 01:06:10,540
everything around me.

1668
01:06:10,540 --> 01:06:12,760
And I knew exactly what
he was going to say.

1669
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:13,960
And I sat there.

1670
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,030
I let him squirm a
little bit, because he

1671
01:06:16,030 --> 01:06:21,820
was-- because I was an assistant
director there at the hospital.

1672
01:06:21,820 --> 01:06:24,520
So I mean I was well
known and stuff.

1673
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:28,130
And here's this new intern about
to give me the death sentence,

1674
01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:28,930
right?

1675
01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:31,000
And he's hemming and hawing.

1676
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,150
And I'm sitting there thinking,
I remember this moment

1677
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:35,470
from my life review.

1678
01:06:35,470 --> 01:06:37,930
And I know exactly
what he's going to say.

1679
01:06:37,930 --> 01:06:41,560
And I know I'm going to regret
it in my next life review,

1680
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,834
but I'm going to let
him squirm a little bit.

1681
01:06:43,834 --> 01:06:46,850
[LAUGHS] Because it
really didn't bother me

1682
01:06:46,850 --> 01:06:48,100
that he was going to say that.

1683
01:06:48,100 --> 01:06:50,780
Because I saw that I was
going to have cancer,

1684
01:06:50,780 --> 01:06:53,660
but, like you said, I also saw
I was going to live beyond it.

1685
01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:56,470
So there was a certainty
that this was just

1686
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:57,800
a part of that purpose.

1687
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,460
And this was something
that I had to experience.

1688
01:07:00,460 --> 01:07:04,000
I had to go through the cancer
so that I could experience

1689
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,600
the suffering, so I could
experience the pain, so that I

1690
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:08,850
could experience all of that.

1691
01:07:11,272 --> 01:07:12,730
And they told me
they weren't going

1692
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:14,090
to treat it, all that stuff.

1693
01:07:14,090 --> 01:07:15,880
And I said, no, we are going
to treat it, because I'm

1694
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,797
going to survive this.

1695
01:07:16,797 --> 01:07:18,630
And they all
immediately thought--

1696
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:22,810
you know Elizabeth
Kubler Ross, and--

1697
01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:25,360
they all thought I was in
denial, the first stage

1698
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:26,740
of grief, right?

1699
01:07:26,740 --> 01:07:29,170
But I had already gone
right to acceptance,

1700
01:07:29,170 --> 01:07:31,990
because I accepted that, yeah,
this is just a stage, something

1701
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:33,370
that I have to go through.

1702
01:07:33,370 --> 01:07:37,750
This is one of my challenges,
one of my purposes in life.

1703
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:39,670
And that if I
follow my guidance,

1704
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:41,480
I'm going to survive
this without a doubt.

1705
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,040
And so I was very certain
right from day one.

1706
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,070
Everybody else in my life
was certain I was dying,

1707
01:07:48,070 --> 01:07:51,310
but I was certain I was living
and this was an opportunity

1708
01:07:51,310 --> 01:07:54,190
to live life and experience
life and to squeeze

1709
01:07:54,190 --> 01:07:56,350
all the juice out of life.

1710
01:07:56,350 --> 01:07:57,280
>> Now do me a favor.

1711
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,120
And this energy that's right
in front of you, put your hand

1712
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,100
inside of it-- your
imaginary hand,

1713
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,350
just slip it right
into this energy.

1714
01:08:05,350 --> 01:08:06,700
What does that feel like?

1715
01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:07,650
>> Peace.

1716
01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:08,650
>> All right, very good.

1717
01:08:08,650 --> 01:08:09,450
Thank you.

1718
01:08:09,450 --> 01:08:10,430
Warmth and peace.

1719
01:08:10,430 --> 01:08:11,230
All right.

1720
01:08:11,230 --> 01:08:15,370
So I'm going to ask this
light, if the light could

1721
01:08:15,370 --> 01:08:19,390
transform into an entity so
that we can have a conversation.

1722
01:08:19,390 --> 01:08:21,550
Male or female?

1723
01:08:21,550 --> 01:08:22,350
>> I guess male?

1724
01:08:22,350 --> 01:08:24,390
>> I want you to take
Drew by the hand.

1725
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:27,060
And I want you to walk
him into his council.

1726
01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:27,937
>> Council?

1727
01:08:27,937 --> 01:08:30,270
>> Drew does not know what
I'm talking about, but, Mort,

1728
01:08:30,270 --> 01:08:31,560
you know what I'm talking about.

1729
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:31,870
>> Huh.

1730
01:08:31,870 --> 01:08:34,770
>> So would you do me a favor,
walk him towards his council.

1731
01:08:34,770 --> 01:08:37,020
Are we inside or outside?

1732
01:08:37,020 --> 01:08:38,470
Are we in a room, are we ou--

1733
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:39,270
>> In a room.

1734
01:08:39,270 --> 01:08:40,070
>> We're in a room.

1735
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:41,080
OK, very good.

1736
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,560
And now are they--
how are they arrayed?

1737
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:45,632
How many people are
there in this room?

1738
01:08:45,632 --> 01:08:46,590
>> I can't really tell.

1739
01:08:46,590 --> 01:08:47,465
>> But roughly from--

1740
01:08:47,465 --> 01:08:48,265
>> 12.

1741
01:08:48,265 --> 01:08:49,200
Thank you.

1742
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:50,908
>> I'm having trouble
seeing individuals.

1743
01:08:50,908 --> 01:08:51,708
>> That's OK.

1744
01:08:51,708 --> 01:08:53,380
Are they-- just what's
your impression?

1745
01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:55,020
>> Impression like Native
Americans are here.

1746
01:08:55,020 --> 01:08:55,820
>> Very good.

1747
01:08:55,820 --> 01:08:56,939
Are they all male?

1748
01:08:56,939 --> 01:08:57,930
Are they female?

1749
01:08:57,930 --> 01:08:58,870
Are they a combo?

1750
01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:59,670
>> Mix.

1751
01:08:59,670 --> 01:08:59,880
>> All right.

1752
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:00,390
Let's go to the--

1753
01:09:00,390 --> 01:09:01,190
>> Mostly male.

1754
01:09:01,190 --> 01:09:03,450
>> --first person
on the far left.

1755
01:09:03,450 --> 01:09:07,050
What's this person look like?

1756
01:09:07,050 --> 01:09:09,130
>> Like a female pilgrim.

1757
01:09:09,130 --> 01:09:09,930
>> Very good.

1758
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:11,640
And I want you to
go up close to her.

1759
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:12,569
>> OK.

1760
01:09:12,569 --> 01:09:14,236
>> She's one of the
only women in there.

1761
01:09:14,236 --> 01:09:15,640
>> Let's give her a name.

1762
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:15,960
Let's ask--

1763
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:16,350
>> Marie.

1764
01:09:16,350 --> 01:09:17,340
>> Marie, thank you.

1765
01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:19,059
And how is she dressed?

1766
01:09:19,059 --> 01:09:19,859
>> [LAUGHS].

1767
01:09:19,859 --> 01:09:20,729
Like a--

1768
01:09:20,729 --> 01:09:21,569
>> Like a pilgrim?

1769
01:09:21,569 --> 01:09:22,369
Brown.

1770
01:09:22,369 --> 01:09:23,639
I'm just saying what colors.

1771
01:09:23,639 --> 01:09:27,790
>> Like dark with a white apron
and with those bonnets that

1772
01:09:27,790 --> 01:09:28,590
they would--

1773
01:09:28,590 --> 01:09:29,520
>> Very good.

1774
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:30,320
I understand.

1775
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:31,150
And Marie--

1776
01:09:31,150 --> 01:09:31,950
>> I love this.

1777
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:32,970
>> Marie is her name.

1778
01:09:32,970 --> 01:09:33,450
Correct?

1779
01:09:33,450 --> 01:09:34,229
>> Something like that.

1780
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:35,029
>> OK.

1781
01:09:35,029 --> 01:09:37,680
Marie, I want you to
put into Drew's mind

1782
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,910
how you earned your
position on the council.

1783
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:42,479
>> She brings history.

1784
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,429
>> Thank you.

1785
01:09:43,429 --> 01:09:44,229
History.

1786
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:45,029
All right.

1787
01:09:45,029 --> 01:09:46,950
And Hence the pilgrim
outfit, we like that's.

1788
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:47,750
It's very clever.

1789
01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:50,700
And now I want you to describe
the emotion or the feeling

1790
01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:52,810
you're getting from
holding this person's hand.

1791
01:09:52,810 --> 01:09:53,850
>> Kindness.

1792
01:09:53,850 --> 01:09:55,620
>> Kindness.

1793
01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:56,970
What kind of kindness?

1794
01:09:56,970 --> 01:10:00,790
I mean it's a simple word, is
it is it overwhelming kindness.

1795
01:10:00,790 --> 01:10:01,590
>> No.

1796
01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:06,760
It's gentle, wise, deliberative.

1797
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,785
>> Let me ask Marie, how do
you feel what we're doing?

1798
01:10:09,785 --> 01:10:10,910
Do you think this is weird?

1799
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:12,480
>> She-- everyone thinks
it's weird in this room.

1800
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:13,280
>> OK, very good.

1801
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:14,460
[LAUGHING] I appreciate that.

1802
01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:14,650
>> And outside.

1803
01:10:14,650 --> 01:10:15,567
>> No, I don't think--

1804
01:10:15,567 --> 01:10:16,650
I don't think it's weird.

1805
01:10:16,650 --> 01:10:17,040
>> No, no.

1806
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,707
She's-- we're talking
about the council.

1807
01:10:18,707 --> 01:10:20,398
They think it's weird.

1808
01:10:20,398 --> 01:10:21,690
I think I'm hypnotized, myself.

1809
01:10:21,690 --> 01:10:23,430
>> Marie, I want you to ask--

1810
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:25,890
I want you to say
something to Drew.

1811
01:10:25,890 --> 01:10:28,050
I want you to give
him a sentence--

1812
01:10:28,050 --> 01:10:29,737
and to the people listening in--

1813
01:10:29,737 --> 01:10:30,820
I want you to give him a--

1814
01:10:30,820 --> 01:10:31,770
>> Wisdom is wealth.

1815
01:10:31,770 --> 01:10:32,790
>> Thank you.

1816
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:34,020
Thank you very much.

1817
01:10:34,020 --> 01:10:35,187
Wisdom is wealth.

1818
01:10:35,187 --> 01:10:37,020
Drew, is this something
you've heard before?

1819
01:10:37,020 --> 01:10:37,320
>> No.

1820
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,370
>> OK, thank you.

1821
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:40,080
So Marie, this is
coming from Marie.

1822
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,940
I would call this
new information.

1823
01:10:41,940 --> 01:10:43,980
Let's move to the
next person to Marie.

1824
01:10:43,980 --> 01:10:45,450
Is it a male or a female?

1825
01:10:45,450 --> 01:10:48,810
>> I'm having trouble because
I have this presence of like

1826
01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:50,460
a North American Indian.

1827
01:10:50,460 --> 01:10:55,900
And that feels-- it feels like--

1828
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:56,700
>> Don't judge it.

1829
01:10:56,700 --> 01:10:57,390
>> Yeah, I'm feeling--

1830
01:10:57,390 --> 01:10:57,840
I'm judging it.

1831
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:58,290
>> Please don't.

1832
01:10:58,290 --> 01:10:58,560
>> I'm judging it.

1833
01:10:58,560 --> 01:10:59,370
>> All right, so very good.

1834
01:10:59,370 --> 01:11:00,870
>> So describe
what he's wearing.

1835
01:11:00,870 --> 01:11:01,800
>> Headdress.

1836
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:02,730
>> How many feathers?

1837
01:11:02,730 --> 01:11:04,080
>> Lots.

1838
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,040
>> How many?

1839
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:05,840
10?

1840
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:06,750
>> 90?

1841
01:11:06,750 --> 01:11:07,550
Are they up?

1842
01:11:07,550 --> 01:11:08,350
Are they down?

1843
01:11:08,350 --> 01:11:09,558
>> All the way down his back.

1844
01:11:09,558 --> 01:11:10,720
Up and then down his back.

1845
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:11,160
>> Up and then down.

1846
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:11,960
OK.

1847
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,020
And I want you to look
carefully at his face.

1848
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:14,820
>> Yeah.

1849
01:11:14,820 --> 01:11:15,840
>> Look at those eyes.

1850
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:16,640
>> Hmm.

1851
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,230
>> What's the emotion
you get looking at him?

1852
01:11:19,230 --> 01:11:20,030
>> Depth, depth.

1853
01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:20,830
>> Depth?

1854
01:11:20,830 --> 01:11:21,720
All right.

1855
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,510
Is he wearing any symbols,
or emblems, or jewelry?

1856
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:26,310
>> Beads.

1857
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:26,840
>> Beads.

1858
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:27,640
>> OK.

1859
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,500
>> This one is like
making me emotional.

1860
01:11:29,500 --> 01:11:30,300
This guy.

1861
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:31,060
>> Very good.

1862
01:11:31,060 --> 01:11:31,620
Very good.

1863
01:11:31,620 --> 01:11:32,350
I understand.

1864
01:11:32,350 --> 01:11:34,140
>> And that's why I'm having
trouble staying with his eyes.

1865
01:11:34,140 --> 01:11:34,780
>> That's OK.

1866
01:11:34,780 --> 01:11:35,310
You don't have to.

1867
01:11:35,310 --> 01:11:36,810
Just look at his
beads for a second.

1868
01:11:36,810 --> 01:11:37,050
>> Hmm.

1869
01:11:37,050 --> 01:11:38,550
>> Just focus on those beads.

1870
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:43,780
And please, if he can give
us a name or the tribe

1871
01:11:43,780 --> 01:11:45,370
that he represents?

1872
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:46,290
>> Humanity.

1873
01:11:46,290 --> 01:11:46,770
>> Humanity.

1874
01:11:46,770 --> 01:11:48,190
>> Is there a tribe that's
called itself "humanity?"

1875
01:11:48,190 --> 01:11:48,990
>> Yes, yes.

1876
01:11:48,990 --> 01:11:49,790
There is.

1877
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:51,550
Well the Sioux
considered everybody

1878
01:11:51,550 --> 01:11:54,160
in their tribe to be
"humanity" and everybody

1879
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,560
who was not in the Sioux
was not "humanity."

1880
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:57,880
Let me ask him directly.

1881
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:58,743
Are you Sioux?

1882
01:11:58,743 --> 01:12:00,160
Could I characterize
you as Sioux?

1883
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:01,090
>> You could
characterize it that way?

1884
01:12:01,090 --> 01:12:01,890
>> Thank you.

1885
01:12:01,890 --> 01:12:05,050
Are you Lakota, or
Dakota, or Nakota?

1886
01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:05,900
Which one.

1887
01:12:05,900 --> 01:12:06,700
>> Nakota.

1888
01:12:06,700 --> 01:12:10,900
>> You have been watching over
him for so many lifetimes.

1889
01:12:10,900 --> 01:12:14,340
Do you feel like he's
doing a good job?

1890
01:12:14,340 --> 01:12:15,250
>> He will.

1891
01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:16,050
>> He will.

1892
01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:19,470
>> And would you show him why
he's doing the kind of work

1893
01:12:19,470 --> 01:12:22,740
he's doing where he's saving
lives on a daily basis?

1894
01:12:22,740 --> 01:12:24,780
>> He's waving a spear over me.

1895
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:26,010
>> Very good.

1896
01:12:26,010 --> 01:12:26,810
OK.

1897
01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:29,360
And is that spear a
warrior spear or is--

1898
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:34,185
>> It's more-- more ceremonial.

1899
01:12:34,185 --> 01:12:38,940
It feels like a blessing,
some power being transmitted

1900
01:12:38,940 --> 01:12:39,740
or something.

1901
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:40,560
>> OK.

1902
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,810
Well what does that feel like?

1903
01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:42,800
>> I don't know.

1904
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:43,830
It's all very confusing.

1905
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:45,220
>> Is he transmitting it to you?

1906
01:12:45,220 --> 01:12:46,050
Do you have a feeling of it?

1907
01:12:46,050 --> 01:12:46,850
>> Yes.

1908
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:49,410
What is that feeling
that he's trying

1909
01:12:49,410 --> 01:12:54,540
to impart from you with his
great knowledge of humanity?

1910
01:12:54,540 --> 01:12:57,180
>> Patience and work to be done.

1911
01:12:57,180 --> 01:12:58,890
>> Dr. Drew remains a skeptic.

1912
01:12:58,890 --> 01:13:01,920
After this experiment, he
said he felt hypnotized.

1913
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,720
He asked, how else
could I be seeing

1914
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,340
people I've never seen before?

1915
01:13:05,340 --> 01:13:08,730
I pointed out his answers were
identical to dozens of others.

1916
01:13:08,730 --> 01:13:10,420
Josh Davidow is a filmmaker.

1917
01:13:10,420 --> 01:13:13,110
We met in Tibet while I was
filming "Journey into Tibet"

1918
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:14,420
with Robert Thurman.

1919
01:13:14,420 --> 01:13:15,990
>> Here's my consciousness.

1920
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:18,220
And then and I was just
kind of like where am I?

1921
01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:19,020
What's going on?

1922
01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:21,603
What's the story, because I was
so used to hearing that voice.

1923
01:13:21,603 --> 01:13:22,403
>> Yeah.

1924
01:13:22,403 --> 01:13:23,610
>> And then I looked down.

1925
01:13:23,610 --> 01:13:25,890
And that was probably
the next thing I saw.

1926
01:13:25,890 --> 01:13:30,630
So the first thing I saw was the
landscape and the amazing scape

1927
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:32,550
up at the top from there.

1928
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:34,700
But then I looked
down and saw my body.

1929
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:37,490
And what I immediately
remember thinking

1930
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:41,090
is seeing your dead
body and immediately

1931
01:13:41,090 --> 01:13:45,080
going into habituated thought
of going, Jesus, that's bad.

1932
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,210
But the second I
did that, there was

1933
01:13:47,210 --> 01:13:48,950
another part of
me that went, hang

1934
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:52,400
on a minute, that's not bad.

1935
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,800
It's not anything, it just is.

1936
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,440
That's your body.

1937
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:57,590
I'm still me.

1938
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:58,880
And I hear my voice.

1939
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,250
And I'm cracking
wise in my head,

1940
01:14:01,250 --> 01:14:02,990
but I don't have that body.

1941
01:14:02,990 --> 01:14:04,930
What else don't I have?

1942
01:14:04,930 --> 01:14:07,450
And then I start going
through this checklist.

1943
01:14:07,450 --> 01:14:10,810
And I don't have guilt.
And I don't have shame.

1944
01:14:10,810 --> 01:14:13,210
And I don't have pain.

1945
01:14:13,210 --> 01:14:15,700
And I don't have history.

1946
01:14:15,700 --> 01:14:18,070
And I don't have
all of these things

1947
01:14:18,070 --> 01:14:22,658
that I really owned
as a physical body.

1948
01:14:22,658 --> 01:14:23,950
>> Let's go visit your council.

1949
01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:26,800
Are we inside or outside?

1950
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:27,600
>> We're inside.

1951
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:28,400
>> OK.

1952
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,405
Describe it to me.

1953
01:14:29,405 --> 01:14:30,280
What's the structure?

1954
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,050
>> It's like a--

1955
01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:38,170
sort of like a court room but
a built out of white pearl.

1956
01:14:38,170 --> 01:14:39,760
>> How many people
are in the room?

1957
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,000
When you look around, how
many counselors are here?

1958
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:43,810
>> Six.

1959
01:14:43,810 --> 01:14:44,380
>> Six.

1960
01:14:44,380 --> 01:14:45,255
All right, very good?

1961
01:14:45,255 --> 01:14:48,070
And are they in a row or
are they in a semicircle?

1962
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:49,670
>> They're in a semicircle.

1963
01:14:49,670 --> 01:14:50,470
>> Semicircle.

1964
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:51,270
>> OK.

1965
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:53,220
Let's go to the first
person on the left.

1966
01:14:53,220 --> 01:14:54,020
>> OK.

1967
01:14:54,020 --> 01:14:55,060
He kind of seems alien.

1968
01:14:55,060 --> 01:14:59,530
He's got like three
sort of fingers.

1969
01:14:59,530 --> 01:15:02,920
It almost looks like a claw,
but it's very benign looking.

1970
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,340
They're normal-size eyes,
but they're all pupil.

1971
01:15:06,340 --> 01:15:07,340
They're all black.

1972
01:15:07,340 --> 01:15:09,010
It doesn't look like clothes.

1973
01:15:09,010 --> 01:15:13,980
It looks like-- it looks
like the same skin that's

1974
01:15:13,980 --> 01:15:17,760
on his hand, which
is like a putty.

1975
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:23,190
>> What's one word that you
could use to represent how you

1976
01:15:23,190 --> 01:15:25,410
earned a spot on Josh's council?

1977
01:15:25,410 --> 01:15:29,700
What's a word that you represent
in Josh's spiritual evolvement?

1978
01:15:29,700 --> 01:15:30,990
>> He said discipline.

1979
01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:34,470
>> Have you normally incarnated
on a planet in our universe

1980
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:35,790
or in another universe?

1981
01:15:35,790 --> 01:15:36,660
>> Another universe.

1982
01:15:36,660 --> 01:15:37,420
>> Another universe.

1983
01:15:37,420 --> 01:15:38,220
>> OK.

1984
01:15:38,220 --> 01:15:41,010
Is there anybody in
Josh's life who has

1985
01:15:41,010 --> 01:15:43,890
had lifetimes on your planet?

1986
01:15:43,890 --> 01:15:44,910
>> He says yes.

1987
01:15:44,910 --> 01:15:47,860
>> Has Josh had a
lifetime on your planet?

1988
01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:48,660
>> Yes.

1989
01:15:48,660 --> 01:15:52,780
>> I want you to put that
lifetime in Josh's mind.

1990
01:15:52,780 --> 01:15:54,490
Are we inside or outside?

1991
01:15:54,490 --> 01:15:55,420
>> Inside.

1992
01:15:55,420 --> 01:15:56,230
>> You're inside.

1993
01:15:56,230 --> 01:15:56,620
OK.

1994
01:15:56,620 --> 01:15:59,140
Are we in a building, or a
structure, or where are we?

1995
01:15:59,140 --> 01:16:01,300
>> We're in a building.

1996
01:16:01,300 --> 01:16:04,720
It seems like a very
mechanical-- it almost

1997
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,513
looks like a fertility clinic.

1998
01:16:07,513 --> 01:16:08,430
>> Almost looks like--

1999
01:16:08,430 --> 01:16:11,110
I've never been in
one, but you have.

2000
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:12,235
>> No, I haven't.

2001
01:16:12,235 --> 01:16:12,520
>> All right.

2002
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:12,940
Very good.

2003
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:13,990
>> Actually, I haven't.

2004
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:15,160
>> What is this place, Sith?

2005
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,870
Is this a fertility clinic?

2006
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:21,130
Is this where Josh works
or what's he doing there?

2007
01:16:21,130 --> 01:16:23,290
Well, first, let me ask you--

2008
01:16:23,290 --> 01:16:24,550
we're inside.

2009
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:26,485
What does Josh look
like in this lifetime?

2010
01:16:26,485 --> 01:16:28,610
If you could just show it
to him without any stress

2011
01:16:28,610 --> 01:16:30,200
or weirdness.

2012
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,290
>> Well, he kind
of looks like Sith.

2013
01:16:32,290 --> 01:16:36,760
>> Is Josh's role on this
planet, is it science?

2014
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,100
Is it some kind of a doctor?

2015
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:39,900
>> Yes.

2016
01:16:39,900 --> 01:16:41,470
>> It is some kind of a doctor.

2017
01:16:41,470 --> 01:16:43,700
And it has to do with
fertility, doesn't it?

2018
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:44,708
>> Yes, yes, yes.

2019
01:16:44,708 --> 01:16:47,000
>> Something to do with it,
because that's what you put

2020
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:47,920
in his mind.

2021
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:48,720
>> Yeah.

2022
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,860
>> So some kind of
a doctor involving--

2023
01:16:50,860 --> 01:16:55,420
are you guys having a difficulty
with fertility on your planet?

2024
01:16:55,420 --> 01:16:56,950
>> No.

2025
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:58,560
>> It's just the process.

2026
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,700
>> It's just the proce--
yeah, it's making--

2027
01:17:00,700 --> 01:17:03,470
it's designing a good future.

2028
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:06,010
>> So you're telling me he's
not consciously aware of having

2029
01:17:06,010 --> 01:17:09,280
an event where some aliens came
and talked to him or something

2030
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:10,100
like that.

2031
01:17:10,100 --> 01:17:10,530
>> No, he's not.

2032
01:17:10,530 --> 01:17:11,940
>> But you're showing
it to him now.

2033
01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:12,740
>> Yeah.

2034
01:17:12,740 --> 01:17:16,540
>> How does the information get
passed from Josh to you guys?

2035
01:17:16,540 --> 01:17:19,840
Is it etherically,
electrically, energetically?

2036
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:24,580
I mean how is the information
that you're seeking happen?

2037
01:17:24,580 --> 01:17:25,820
>> We experience it.

2038
01:17:25,820 --> 01:17:27,530
We experience it
while he sleeps.

2039
01:17:27,530 --> 01:17:28,330
>> OK, very good.

2040
01:17:28,330 --> 01:17:29,747
So it's like you
come by, and it's

2041
01:17:29,747 --> 01:17:31,420
like you scan him in a way.

2042
01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:32,860
And you get the information.

2043
01:17:32,860 --> 01:17:35,800
And that information, what's
the value of that information

2044
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,300
for your folks back home?

2045
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:39,680
>> To make better people.

2046
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,800
>> And by making better people,
you're not talking about

2047
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:43,610
making--

2048
01:17:43,610 --> 01:17:45,193
do you mean-- you
talking about making

2049
01:17:45,193 --> 01:17:46,760
better people on your planet?

2050
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:47,780
>> No.

2051
01:17:47,780 --> 01:17:48,775
>> What do you mean?

2052
01:17:48,775 --> 01:17:50,150
>> Making better
people on Earth.

2053
01:17:50,150 --> 01:17:51,680
>> You're helping and--

2054
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,300
correct me if I'm wrong, Sith--

2055
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:56,380
you're helping alter the
consciousness of the planet.

2056
01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:57,570
Is that correct.

2057
01:17:57,570 --> 01:17:58,370
>> Yes.

2058
01:17:58,370 --> 01:18:01,250
>> So let me ask you, Monty,
are you familiar with what

2059
01:18:01,250 --> 01:18:05,840
I've been doing asking councils
and councilors information

2060
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:06,980
about their charges?

2061
01:18:06,980 --> 01:18:07,430
>> Yes.

2062
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:08,972
>> What do you guys
think about this?

2063
01:18:08,972 --> 01:18:11,520
Is this unusual for you?

2064
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,310
>> They think you're
on the right path.

2065
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:16,670
>> What word do you
represent on Josh's council?

2066
01:18:16,670 --> 01:18:17,660
>> Peace?

2067
01:18:17,660 --> 01:18:21,550
>> Did he earn that from
having a difficult lifetime?

2068
01:18:21,550 --> 01:18:22,730
>> He earned it.

2069
01:18:22,730 --> 01:18:24,590
>> Does Josh want to
see where he earned it,

2070
01:18:24,590 --> 01:18:26,580
or is that stressful?

2071
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:28,410
>> No, he can see if he wants.

2072
01:18:28,410 --> 01:18:29,210
>> All right.

2073
01:18:29,210 --> 01:18:30,260
So let's examine it.

2074
01:18:30,260 --> 01:18:31,730
Where are we?

2075
01:18:31,730 --> 01:18:33,120
Are we inside or outside?

2076
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,230
>> We're inside a
cockpit of a plane.

2077
01:18:36,230 --> 01:18:38,220
It looks like World
War II, I think.

2078
01:18:38,220 --> 01:18:39,020
>> OK.

2079
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:39,820
Very good.

2080
01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:41,060
Take a look at his uniform.

2081
01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:42,890
>> He's American.

2082
01:18:42,890 --> 01:18:45,570
>> What's his name?

2083
01:18:45,570 --> 01:18:50,140
>> Major Tom DeLuca?

2084
01:18:50,140 --> 01:18:50,940
>> OK.

2085
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:52,200
>> Louise, something.

2086
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,050
>> Louise or DeLuca,
something Italian?

2087
01:18:55,050 --> 01:18:56,700
>> Something Italian.

2088
01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:58,920
>> What kind of
plane were you in?

2089
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:00,010
>> A bomber.

2090
01:19:00,010 --> 01:19:00,810
>> A bomber.

2091
01:19:00,810 --> 01:19:01,120
OK.

2092
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:02,620
So other guys we
went down with you.

2093
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:04,150
>> Hmm.

2094
01:19:04,150 --> 01:19:04,950
>> All right.

2095
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:05,985
What was the name
of your bomber.

2096
01:19:05,985 --> 01:19:06,870
Do you remember?

2097
01:19:10,030 --> 01:19:12,880
>> Lady-- Lady Belle?

2098
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:13,870
>> Lady Belle?

2099
01:19:13,870 --> 01:19:14,670
OK.

2100
01:19:14,670 --> 01:19:16,270
A different plane,
but Lady Belle.

2101
01:19:16,270 --> 01:19:17,070
>> It's a lady.

2102
01:19:17,070 --> 01:19:18,070
>> OK.

2103
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:21,550
>> What did you learn
from that lifetime?

2104
01:19:21,550 --> 01:19:23,290
>> Not to die in fear.

2105
01:19:23,290 --> 01:19:24,880
>> Jennifer Shaffer, Medium.

2106
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,520
We've been having chats with
the flipside for over six years.

2107
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,530
In this one, I
decided to ask someone

2108
01:19:29,530 --> 01:19:32,500
I'd met before if
he wanted to chat.

2109
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:34,720
>> Merv, show Jennifer
where you met me.

2110
01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:39,790
>> On his show?

2111
01:19:39,790 --> 01:19:42,052
>> Yeah, very good.

2112
01:19:42,052 --> 01:19:44,125
>> He had a show, too?

2113
01:19:44,125 --> 01:19:45,220
>> He did have a show.

2114
01:19:45,220 --> 01:19:46,422
>> I know Johnny Carson did.

2115
01:19:46,422 --> 01:19:47,380
I didn't know Merv did.

2116
01:19:47,380 --> 01:19:49,220
>> Don't judge it.

2117
01:19:49,220 --> 01:19:51,262
It's more fun when
you don't judge it.

2118
01:19:51,262 --> 01:19:53,380
[LAUGHS] It's more fun for me.

2119
01:19:53,380 --> 01:19:56,040
So Merv, yeah, I
was on your show.

2120
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:56,840
OK?

2121
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,468
Do you remember--
Merv, do you remember

2122
01:19:58,468 --> 01:20:00,010
what I was doing on
your show and who

2123
01:20:00,010 --> 01:20:01,020
brought me on your show?

2124
01:20:04,485 --> 01:20:07,455
[MUSIC AND APPLAUSE]

2125
01:20:24,780 --> 01:20:27,860
>> He walks out the door
and says, Merv, like I--

2126
01:20:27,860 --> 01:20:30,320
17 years, I've been here.

2127
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,807
Now, of course, he doesn't
have to television set.

2128
01:20:32,807 --> 01:20:34,640
>> The first thing to
notice about Richard--

2129
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,532
>> Is he has
Hollywood sunglasses--

2130
01:20:36,532 --> 01:20:37,490
it's in his top pocket.

2131
01:20:37,490 --> 01:20:40,220
>> Richard-- Richard
is an aura person.

2132
01:20:40,220 --> 01:20:42,140
By that I mean if we
were sitting here talking

2133
01:20:42,140 --> 01:20:44,300
and the camera takes
a shot of Richard,

2134
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:46,530
the whole show is better
because Richard is here.

2135
01:20:46,530 --> 01:20:49,780
Just get a sh-- can you
get a close up of Richard?

2136
01:20:49,780 --> 01:20:50,720
Now look at that.

2137
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,970
Don't you all feel a little
better now that he's here?

2138
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:56,070
[LAUGHING]

2139
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:56,870
Right away.

2140
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:58,060
That's mainly what he does.

2141
01:20:58,060 --> 01:20:58,860
>> Do you really?

2142
01:20:58,860 --> 01:20:59,780
>> Yeah.

2143
01:20:59,780 --> 01:21:01,580
>> Well to tell you the
truth-- now you were talking,

2144
01:21:01,580 --> 01:21:02,360
you were saying earlier--

2145
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:03,470
>> Do you want to move
into the main chair?

2146
01:21:03,470 --> 01:21:04,595
>> Yeah, I think I'm ready.

2147
01:21:04,595 --> 01:21:07,030
Oh, yeah, forget that.

2148
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:10,450
Now you were saying earlier
about that stuff about him,

2149
01:21:10,450 --> 01:21:13,120
he always has to apologize
about the friendly stuff

2150
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,430
when he comes out here.

2151
01:21:15,430 --> 01:21:19,500
>> See, I'm only used to
sitting next to stars.

2152
01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:20,300
>> Bear with us.

2153
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:21,250
>> But anyway, no.

2154
01:21:21,250 --> 01:21:23,270
I have a story to tell
about friendly-- my one

2155
01:21:23,270 --> 01:21:24,070
friendly story.

2156
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:25,930
>> See I got stuck
with for 90 minutes.

2157
01:21:25,930 --> 01:21:27,700
>> See, this is my
first time for me.

2158
01:21:27,700 --> 01:21:30,700
The friendly story is I was
in a restaurant in Hollywood.

2159
01:21:30,700 --> 01:21:34,300
And I was sitting not too
far from a megastar, a really

2160
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:35,930
famous Hollywood personality.

2161
01:21:35,930 --> 01:21:36,730
>> Wow.

2162
01:21:36,730 --> 01:21:39,063
>> And as this person was
walking out of the restaurant,

2163
01:21:39,063 --> 01:21:42,460
a man stopped him and
said, Oh, I know you,

2164
01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:43,690
you're on television.

2165
01:21:43,690 --> 01:21:44,930
Wait, come over to my table.

2166
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:46,900
And he had like seven
daughters with him.

2167
01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:49,600
And the person, this megastar,
went over to the table,

2168
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,240
and very politely shook his
hand, signed an autograph,

2169
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:54,820
kissed a couple of the girls.

2170
01:21:54,820 --> 01:21:55,230
>> Sweet.

2171
01:21:55,230 --> 01:21:56,500
>> Do you know
who that star was?

2172
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:56,800
>> No.

2173
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,010
>> It was you.

2174
01:21:58,010 --> 01:21:59,317
>> Oh.

2175
01:21:59,317 --> 01:22:01,150
>> It was right after
Chuck was on the show.

2176
01:22:01,150 --> 01:22:02,420
>> Right after we did
the friendly show.

2177
01:22:02,420 --> 01:22:03,570
And we know what you
were like before the--

2178
01:22:03,570 --> 01:22:04,480
>> Even you.

2179
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:06,090
>> I did that at
Musso and Franks?

2180
01:22:06,090 --> 01:22:06,965
>> Musso and Frank's.

2181
01:22:06,965 --> 01:22:10,630
>> But see, he came on and told
me that whole friendly stuff

2182
01:22:10,630 --> 01:22:13,460
for 90 minutes here, about,
oh, you've got to be friendly.

2183
01:22:13,460 --> 01:22:15,440
But I've been that
way all my life.

2184
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:16,240
>> It's infectious.

2185
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,610
>> You know, so I
got bored with him.

2186
01:22:18,610 --> 01:22:20,710
>> Why are you leaning
so close to my friend.

2187
01:22:20,710 --> 01:22:23,543
>> Because I like Richard
better than I like you.

2188
01:22:23,543 --> 01:22:24,460
>> It really happened.

2189
01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:24,970
That's I mean.

2190
01:22:24,970 --> 01:22:25,790
Go ahead, continue.

2191
01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:27,490
>> He's got an aura about him.

2192
01:22:27,490 --> 01:22:29,920
What a wonderful guy.

2193
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,520
>> You were making
everybody laugh--

2194
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:32,320
>> OK.

2195
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,630
>> --about meeting someone.

2196
01:22:34,630 --> 01:22:35,510
>> OK, very good.

2197
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:36,310
I did.

2198
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:38,660
I made everybody laugh
about meeting, you Merv.

2199
01:22:38,660 --> 01:22:39,460
>> Oh, OK.

2200
01:22:39,460 --> 01:22:43,030
>> That was the punch
line, because I met you.

2201
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:44,440
I was at Musso and Frank's.

2202
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:46,660
I saw you signing autographs.

2203
01:22:46,660 --> 01:22:48,490
And I thought to
myself, look at that,

2204
01:22:48,490 --> 01:22:50,920
Merv will go stop at
any table and sign

2205
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:51,880
autographs for anybody.

2206
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,350
I mean he's really a polite guy.

2207
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:54,150
All right.

2208
01:22:54,150 --> 01:22:56,260
So Merv, why all
the shows, buddy?

2209
01:22:56,260 --> 01:23:00,430
>> He could recognize talent
even when they couldn't.

2210
01:23:00,430 --> 01:23:03,940
Tell me the guy that
passed away that you did--

2211
01:23:03,940 --> 01:23:06,430
that was in your movie
that did the naked--

2212
01:23:06,430 --> 01:23:08,110
naked dating.

2213
01:23:08,110 --> 01:23:09,160
>> Oh, Howard Schultz.

2214
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,710
>> Howard Schultz.

2215
01:23:11,710 --> 01:23:14,002
>> So what kind of things
are you working on or talking

2216
01:23:14,002 --> 01:23:14,802
about?

2217
01:23:14,802 --> 01:23:16,030
Are they story points?

2218
01:23:16,030 --> 01:23:21,130
Like you grow up in Wisconsin
and I'll grow up in Iowa,

2219
01:23:21,130 --> 01:23:23,830
and we'll meet up
somewhere along the path?

2220
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:24,790
>> Yeah.

2221
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:26,510
>> So like that,
like story beats.

2222
01:23:26,510 --> 01:23:29,290
Does anybody advise you on the
story beats or you guys just

2223
01:23:29,290 --> 01:23:31,060
work it out yourselves?

2224
01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:32,230
>> They're laughing.

2225
01:23:32,230 --> 01:23:37,323
They have hundreds-- like
there's like thousands

2226
01:23:37,323 --> 01:23:38,240
of people behind them.

2227
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:41,150
>> Thousands of people who
have to-- do they have to agree

2228
01:23:41,150 --> 01:23:41,960
on the process?

2229
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,520
I'm aware that
there's free will.

2230
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,290
So people can say--

2231
01:23:45,290 --> 01:23:48,050
>> Merv, are you doing this with
a lot of people or is Howard

2232
01:23:48,050 --> 01:23:49,490
just one of the people.

2233
01:23:49,490 --> 01:23:51,060
>> They both want it.

2234
01:23:51,060 --> 01:23:55,140
They both think that they're
more powerful together.

2235
01:23:55,140 --> 01:23:55,940
>> OK.

2236
01:23:55,940 --> 01:23:58,655
And what kind of topics are
you guys going to work on.

2237
01:23:58,655 --> 01:24:00,530
>> They're going to do
shows that have humor,

2238
01:24:00,530 --> 01:24:02,310
because they think
that's great medicine.

2239
01:24:02,310 --> 01:24:03,110
>> I see.

2240
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:05,740
So almost like build
a network together.

2241
01:24:05,740 --> 01:24:07,180
>> Ding, ding, ding, ding.

2242
01:24:07,180 --> 01:24:07,980
>> All right.

2243
01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:11,240
So Merv, we'll be right back.

2244
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,030
[LAUGHS] That's
what he used to say.

2245
01:24:14,030 --> 01:24:15,740
I would like to speak to--

2246
01:24:15,740 --> 01:24:19,670
if it's possible-- can we
speak to her main council,

2247
01:24:19,670 --> 01:24:21,410
the main council
of the people who

2248
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:23,480
advise Kimberly
in her lifetimes?

2249
01:24:23,480 --> 01:24:27,050
>> She says, yes, and she pushes
through like it's the feeling

2250
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:27,930
of four, like four.

2251
01:24:27,930 --> 01:24:28,730
>> Four.

2252
01:24:28,730 --> 01:24:30,060
Very good, thank you.

2253
01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:32,750
And so going from left to
right, if you could describe

2254
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:34,587
the first person on your left.

2255
01:24:34,587 --> 01:24:38,240
>> [LAUGHING] Go figure.

2256
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:42,840
Well, if there was ever a being
that looks like ET, I'm like,

2257
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,200
of course, it's you because
I've seen this one before,

2258
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:46,880
only one time before.

2259
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:47,930
>> Very good.

2260
01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:50,870
>> Can we speak to
you, sir, ma'am?

2261
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:52,623
>> Yeah, he told me his name.

2262
01:24:52,623 --> 01:24:53,540
His name is Sebastian.

2263
01:24:53,540 --> 01:24:58,400
He has like gray
skin, no raised ears.

2264
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,470
He looks like an ET.

2265
01:25:00,470 --> 01:25:02,090
>> But he's got two arms.

2266
01:25:02,090 --> 01:25:04,020
Is that correct?

2267
01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:04,820
>> Yes.

2268
01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:08,130
But just a little out
of proportion to human.

2269
01:25:08,130 --> 01:25:08,930
>> Yeah.

2270
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:11,710
And his eyes are big or small.

2271
01:25:11,710 --> 01:25:15,520
>> They're big, but
his face is very flat.

2272
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,950
So like how we have
the difference in space

2273
01:25:17,950 --> 01:25:21,310
from our nose to here dips
down, he doesn't have that.

2274
01:25:21,310 --> 01:25:22,120
>> OK.

2275
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,630
And Sebastian, can Kimberly
take a hold of your hand

2276
01:25:25,630 --> 01:25:27,910
and hold your hand for a second?

2277
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:28,990
What does that feel like?

2278
01:25:28,990 --> 01:25:31,640
What's the emotion you get
from that emotional feeling?

2279
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:32,440
>> Safe.

2280
01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:34,570
Definitely emotional
and definitely safe,

2281
01:25:34,570 --> 01:25:36,410
very, very, very, very safe.

2282
01:25:36,410 --> 01:25:37,210
>> Safe.

2283
01:25:37,210 --> 01:25:37,540
OK.

2284
01:25:37,540 --> 01:25:38,450
That was kind of--

2285
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:39,810
>> Comforted and loved.

2286
01:25:39,810 --> 01:25:43,180
>> Well, Sebastian, define love.

2287
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:44,800
She's feeling love from you.

2288
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,180
What does that mean?

2289
01:25:48,730 --> 01:25:52,530
>> He shows me the
word everything.

2290
01:25:52,530 --> 01:25:55,110
>> That idea that
love is everything.

2291
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:56,610
Are you referring
to consciousness

2292
01:25:56,610 --> 01:25:58,290
and how consciousness
is in everything

2293
01:25:58,290 --> 01:25:59,680
and that consciousness is love?

2294
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:00,480
I'm just curious.

2295
01:26:02,690 --> 01:26:03,490
>> Yeah.

2296
01:26:03,490 --> 01:26:10,250
He's showing everything and
the plan of everything is love.

2297
01:26:10,250 --> 01:26:11,050
Yeah.

2298
01:26:11,050 --> 01:26:14,200
And he's showing
like this spiral.

2299
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:19,330
It almost looks like a stretched
out slinky from space to Earth,

2300
01:26:19,330 --> 01:26:24,700
like the cosmos to
Earth, where everything

2301
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:26,650
is the translation of love.

2302
01:26:26,650 --> 01:26:31,280
And the harmony that it
projects, and creates,

2303
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:35,660
and shares is the
level of like--

2304
01:26:35,660 --> 01:26:37,040
what is this word--

2305
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,520
integration--

2306
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:39,320
>> Great.

2307
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:40,430
>> --of love.

2308
01:26:40,430 --> 01:26:44,120
>> Is Kimberly ever incarnated
on your planet or where you

2309
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,290
normally have incarnated?

2310
01:26:46,290 --> 01:26:47,600
>> He says, yes.

2311
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,340
She is now.

2312
01:26:49,340 --> 01:26:50,270
>> Oh.

2313
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:53,390
And if you could allow her--
can we see that for a second?

2314
01:26:53,390 --> 01:26:56,660
Where is this planet that
you normally incarnate, is

2315
01:26:56,660 --> 01:27:00,380
it in our universe or is
it in another universe?

2316
01:27:00,380 --> 01:27:01,820
>> It's not in our universe.

2317
01:27:01,820 --> 01:27:02,620
>> OK.

2318
01:27:02,620 --> 01:27:05,300
So we don't have to
get down to or Cygnus

2319
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:07,720
5, or Pleiades, or something.

2320
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,040
And if you going to
show Kimberly just

2321
01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,490
for a glimpse, what does
it look like on the surface

2322
01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:16,535
of that planet where
she is concurrently.

2323
01:27:16,535 --> 01:27:17,660
Is that what you're saying?

2324
01:27:17,660 --> 01:27:20,750
She has a lifetime
concurrently to this one.

2325
01:27:20,750 --> 01:27:23,560
And without getting
into the mass,

2326
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,570
just show her what
does it look like.

2327
01:27:25,570 --> 01:27:28,910
>> So I'm literally like
standing here looking down.

2328
01:27:28,910 --> 01:27:30,182
And it's like--

2329
01:27:30,182 --> 01:27:31,890
Rich, do you remember
the movie "Avatar?"

2330
01:27:31,890 --> 01:27:34,420
And do you know
how there's pieces

2331
01:27:34,420 --> 01:27:37,000
of Earth-like
objects almost kind

2332
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,722
of floating around
with each other?

2333
01:27:38,722 --> 01:27:40,180
And they're kind
of like from one--

2334
01:27:40,180 --> 01:27:44,200
it's similar to that, but
it's like I'm looking down.

2335
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:50,350
But when I look down, I
can see like cosmos below.

2336
01:27:50,350 --> 01:27:55,060
But I also have an understanding
of like over here to the right,

2337
01:27:55,060 --> 01:28:00,140
it looks green and lush,
but it's also not solid.

2338
01:28:00,140 --> 01:28:00,940
It's--

2339
01:28:00,940 --> 01:28:03,010
>> Almost like a
mental construct?

2340
01:28:03,010 --> 01:28:06,170
And you created it,
almost mathematical?

2341
01:28:06,170 --> 01:28:06,970
>> Right.

2342
01:28:06,970 --> 01:28:07,810
>> Beautiful.

2343
01:28:07,810 --> 01:28:12,130
Is he wearing anything
jewelry wise or is he just--

2344
01:28:12,130 --> 01:28:14,170
you're just seeing
skin, this gray skin?

2345
01:28:14,170 --> 01:28:14,970
>> Just skin.

2346
01:28:14,970 --> 01:28:18,700
And he's cold and kind
of clammy to the touch.

2347
01:28:18,700 --> 01:28:21,130
It's not jewelry,
it's like his skin.

2348
01:28:21,130 --> 01:28:26,840
But it's almost like how a tree
has rings for how old it is.

2349
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,100
>> Sebastian, are those rings
around your neck related to age

2350
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:31,930
or what are they related to?

2351
01:28:31,930 --> 01:28:33,470
>> Evolutionary he says.

2352
01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:34,270
>> Evolutionary.

2353
01:28:34,270 --> 01:28:38,440
And just to give our listeners
an idea of how old you

2354
01:28:38,440 --> 01:28:40,310
are in Earth years.

2355
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:43,790
>> Ah. his energy like shifts.

2356
01:28:43,790 --> 01:28:45,980
And he gets-- he's so intense.

2357
01:28:45,980 --> 01:28:48,320
And his voice got really deep.

2358
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:51,260
And he said eons, like eons.

2359
01:28:51,260 --> 01:28:53,360
I don't know if these
rings represent lifetimes

2360
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:58,710
as much as they represent like
epiphany that caused expansion.

2361
01:28:58,710 --> 01:28:59,510
>> Beautiful.

2362
01:28:59,510 --> 01:29:00,510
>> Does that make sense?

2363
01:29:00,510 --> 01:29:02,960
>> Epiphany that
cause expansion.

2364
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,640
Like consciousness adjustments,
like judging time over the fact

2365
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,720
that you've adjusted
consciousness.

2366
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:12,230
So you're an important dude.

2367
01:29:12,230 --> 01:29:15,110
Sebastian, how many
councils do you work on?

2368
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:16,610
Do you just work
with Kimberly or do

2369
01:29:16,610 --> 01:29:18,590
you work with many people?

2370
01:29:18,590 --> 01:29:20,240
>> Many.

2371
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:21,980
So the person to his left--

2372
01:29:21,980 --> 01:29:24,950
this is interesting, because
I've never seen her before,

2373
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:25,820
her face.

2374
01:29:25,820 --> 01:29:27,050
>> OK.

2375
01:29:27,050 --> 01:29:29,430
>> She has dark hair.

2376
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:32,490
She looks like a
Native American Indian.

2377
01:29:32,490 --> 01:29:33,950
>> May I ask-- may I ask you.

2378
01:29:33,950 --> 01:29:35,690
Well, I forgot to ask Sebastian.

2379
01:29:35,690 --> 01:29:38,870
Are you aware of this work I'm
doing, talking to councils?

2380
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:40,410
>> All the time, he says.

2381
01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:41,690
>> OK, thank you.

2382
01:29:41,690 --> 01:29:43,730
>> What's your what's
your opinion of it?

2383
01:29:43,730 --> 01:29:45,790
>> He's doing this.

2384
01:29:45,790 --> 01:29:48,230
>> It means thank
you in sign language.

2385
01:29:48,230 --> 01:29:50,150
>> Yeah, that's what
he was just telling me.

2386
01:29:50,150 --> 01:29:52,430
Like he was literally saying
that when you said that.

2387
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:52,700
Thank you--

2388
01:29:52,700 --> 01:29:53,750
>> Wow.

2389
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:56,010
>> --like in sign language.

2390
01:29:56,010 --> 01:29:57,060
>> OK, mind blown.

2391
01:29:57,060 --> 01:29:57,990
Mind blowing.

2392
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:58,790
All right.

2393
01:29:58,790 --> 01:30:02,000
So this woman, let's ask her
for a name, if you don't mind.

2394
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,930
>> I cannot believe
I'm hearing this like.

2395
01:30:05,930 --> 01:30:07,600
She's almost, like, why?

2396
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:11,210
Why would you be mind blown?

2397
01:30:11,210 --> 01:30:13,410
Awashonks?

2398
01:30:13,410 --> 01:30:14,760
>> Awashonks.

2399
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:15,740
>> Awashonks.

2400
01:30:15,740 --> 01:30:18,560
>> Awashonks, thank you.

2401
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:20,570
>> This is so crazy.

2402
01:30:20,570 --> 01:30:24,380
She's very fierce in her energy.

2403
01:30:24,380 --> 01:30:26,600
She's very direct
and very fierce.

2404
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:27,470
>> Very good.

2405
01:30:27,470 --> 01:30:31,700
So may I ask you some
direct questions, Miss A?

2406
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:32,640
>> Of course.

2407
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,250
>> What do you represent
in Kimberly's journey,

2408
01:30:35,250 --> 01:30:36,890
just as a word or a concept?

2409
01:30:40,490 --> 01:30:41,570
>> Whatever that means.

2410
01:30:41,570 --> 01:30:42,740
Alignment maybe?

2411
01:30:42,740 --> 01:30:43,760
>> Focus.

2412
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,240
Have you lived a lifetime
on the planet Earth?

2413
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:48,552
So you have and this is--

2414
01:30:48,552 --> 01:30:51,010
>> And then I'm sure you can
imagine what she's showing me.

2415
01:30:51,010 --> 01:30:54,950
She's saying I'm
not afraid to kill

2416
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:57,870
to get to where I need to be.

2417
01:30:57,870 --> 01:31:00,110
Now, when it comes
to kill, it's not

2418
01:31:00,110 --> 01:31:02,360
like she's on a mission to kill.

2419
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,140
It's like it's more
of like prioritizing,

2420
01:31:06,140 --> 01:31:10,940
like letting things die to
prioritize what needs to live.

2421
01:31:10,940 --> 01:31:13,280
>> And are you familiar with
this work that I'm doing

2422
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,050
talking to councils?

2423
01:31:15,050 --> 01:31:16,490
>> She says, I am.

2424
01:31:16,490 --> 01:31:20,300
And then she follows that
up with I am a part of it.

2425
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:21,800
>> Oh, very good.

2426
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,760
Well, let me ask you about that.

2427
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,360
Did you put Kimberly
and me together today?

2428
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:27,580
Is that what happened?

2429
01:31:27,580 --> 01:31:30,230
>> She takes full-- like she
takes big responsibility.

2430
01:31:30,230 --> 01:31:32,480
Like she sits back
and gets really big

2431
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:35,367
and has this energy of
taking responsibility.

2432
01:31:35,367 --> 01:31:37,700
>> What would you like to
tell people that are listening

2433
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:41,480
in, or hearing this for the
first time, or accessing this?

2434
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:45,270
What would you
like as a message?

2435
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:46,680
>> Simultaneous transaction.

2436
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:51,020
She's saying talk to
the land and also let

2437
01:31:51,020 --> 01:31:52,280
the land talk to you.

2438
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:57,228
And it's almost like a plea,
like let the land talk to you.

2439
01:31:57,228 --> 01:31:59,020
And then it's like you
won't lose your way.

2440
01:31:59,020 --> 01:32:00,800
She's showing like clarity.

2441
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:02,210
You won't lose your way.

2442
01:32:02,210 --> 01:32:03,980
>> I get it, but I
don't know who his is.

2443
01:32:03,980 --> 01:32:05,655
He's like that Microsoft guy.

2444
01:32:05,655 --> 01:32:06,455
>> Bingo.

2445
01:32:06,455 --> 01:32:06,850
>> Correct?

2446
01:32:06,850 --> 01:32:07,355
>> Correct.

2447
01:32:07,355 --> 01:32:09,133
>> He's showing me,
but I didn't get it.

2448
01:32:09,133 --> 01:32:10,550
So when I don't
get things, it's--

2449
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:10,730
>> That's all right.

2450
01:32:10,730 --> 01:32:11,730
You don't know his name.

2451
01:32:11,730 --> 01:32:13,760
I'm going to tell you his name.

2452
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,420
First name is Paul.

2453
01:32:15,420 --> 01:32:17,173
>> Paul.

2454
01:32:17,173 --> 01:32:19,880
Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul.

2455
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,710
I know you're talking
about his name.

2456
01:32:21,710 --> 01:32:22,580
>> OK.

2457
01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:24,100
Let me just tell you, it's OK.

2458
01:32:24,100 --> 01:32:27,050
>> He owned a football team, a
basketball team or a football

2459
01:32:27,050 --> 01:32:27,320
team?

2460
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:28,010
>> Very good.

2461
01:32:28,010 --> 01:32:28,810
He did.

2462
01:32:28,810 --> 01:32:29,926
He owned both.

2463
01:32:29,926 --> 01:32:30,840
>> Both.

2464
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,290
>> So who was there to greet
you when you crossed over?

2465
01:32:40,460 --> 01:32:43,170
>> I just got a big
football player.

2466
01:32:43,170 --> 01:32:45,540
>> Really, interesting.

2467
01:32:45,540 --> 01:32:46,340
>> I don't know.

2468
01:32:46,340 --> 01:32:47,480
Let me just go with it.

2469
01:32:47,480 --> 01:32:48,720
>> Just go with it?

2470
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:49,520
>> White or Black?

2471
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,440
>> Black, African-American.

2472
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,000
>> African-American.

2473
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:54,634
Somebody we might know?

2474
01:32:54,634 --> 01:32:56,420
>> Kind of like Polynesian.

2475
01:32:56,420 --> 01:32:58,840
Maybe I'm seeing Black,
but it might be Polynesian.

2476
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:07,010
I feel that he didn't play for
him, but he tried to help him.

2477
01:33:07,010 --> 01:33:08,690
He wanted him to
play, but he died

2478
01:33:08,690 --> 01:33:10,970
before he could play for him.

2479
01:33:10,970 --> 01:33:12,530
>> Paul wanted to help him.

2480
01:33:12,530 --> 01:33:13,330
>> Yes.

2481
01:33:13,330 --> 01:33:15,350
>> But he passed
away before he--

2482
01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:15,870
>> Before he could help him.

2483
01:33:15,870 --> 01:33:16,670
>> Right.

2484
01:33:16,670 --> 01:33:18,080
>> Did he went to help
him with his illness?

2485
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:19,610
Did he have a brain problem?

2486
01:33:19,610 --> 01:33:20,831
>> That's what it feels
like, but I don't know

2487
01:33:20,831 --> 01:33:21,780
if it's concussions.

2488
01:33:21,780 --> 01:33:22,580
I don't know.

2489
01:33:22,580 --> 01:33:23,465
>> Yeah, that's what it is.

2490
01:33:23,465 --> 01:33:24,390
OK.

2491
01:33:24,390 --> 01:33:25,525
That would be what it was.

2492
01:33:25,525 --> 01:33:26,900
Now that you're
on the flipside--

2493
01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:29,080
>> He was who started,
it feels like.

2494
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:30,380
>> Speak up.

2495
01:33:30,380 --> 01:33:32,160
>> This guy was the start of it.

2496
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:32,960
>> Oh, very good.

2497
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,000
>> Like he was the one that--

2498
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:36,800
>> Inspired him--

2499
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,430
>> He was so
heartbroken over it.

2500
01:33:38,430 --> 01:33:39,230
>> OK.

2501
01:33:39,230 --> 01:33:39,570
Was it--

2502
01:33:39,570 --> 01:33:41,510
>> Here he owns a sports
team and he feels like

2503
01:33:41,510 --> 01:33:42,170
they're hurt--

2504
01:33:42,170 --> 01:33:42,420
like

2505
01:33:42,420 --> 01:33:43,550
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2506
01:33:43,550 --> 01:33:44,510
I understand.

2507
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:45,760
They're hurting good athletes.

2508
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:48,260
>> He's trying to create
helmets that were even stronger.

2509
01:33:48,260 --> 01:33:49,550
>> Very good.

2510
01:33:49,550 --> 01:33:52,430
>> Let's focus on the
Archangel Raphael for a second,

2511
01:33:52,430 --> 01:33:53,610
if we can.

2512
01:33:53,610 --> 01:33:55,350
>> Can we?

2513
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:56,150
>> Of course.

2514
01:33:56,150 --> 01:33:59,270
>> In terms of angels and
speaking to angels or speaking

2515
01:33:59,270 --> 01:34:01,700
to people who
self-identify as angels.

2516
01:34:01,700 --> 01:34:04,700
I've often heard that
it's really in reference

2517
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:08,690
to the ability to move
at the speed of thought,

2518
01:34:08,690 --> 01:34:10,400
that they're so fast.

2519
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,070
And so the idea of wings
is more of a metaphor

2520
01:34:13,070 --> 01:34:16,100
than it is like, oh, I'm stuck
with these things on my back.

2521
01:34:16,100 --> 01:34:18,440
It's a metaphor for how--

2522
01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:22,130
so is that accurate, Raphael.

2523
01:34:22,130 --> 01:34:23,690
>> Yeah, absolutely.

2524
01:34:23,690 --> 01:34:26,190
And that makes sense as to
why he's saying and showing--

2525
01:34:26,190 --> 01:34:26,990
>> Propulsion.

2526
01:34:26,990 --> 01:34:27,790
Yeah.

2527
01:34:27,790 --> 01:34:29,300
>> --propulsion.

2528
01:34:29,300 --> 01:34:31,610
>> Moving from realm to realm.

2529
01:34:31,610 --> 01:34:34,340
I've also heard the
term "guardian."

2530
01:34:34,340 --> 01:34:37,190
>> Because he was showing--
do you remember when we were

2531
01:34:37,190 --> 01:34:40,720
talking to Sebastian, the ET
that was showing those rings

2532
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,770
almost like in his aura.

2533
01:34:42,770 --> 01:34:46,910
So Raphael's referencing that.

2534
01:34:46,910 --> 01:34:50,300
When we were talking about
propulsion, like having those--

2535
01:34:50,300 --> 01:34:53,090
so think about it like this,
just to try to put context to.

2536
01:34:53,090 --> 01:34:57,860
Think about those rings of
like evolution or awakened

2537
01:34:57,860 --> 01:35:03,780
consciousness, like a
quantum leap of growth.

2538
01:35:03,780 --> 01:35:07,760
And there's an imprint that's
there that's always accessible.

2539
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:10,552
So that's why-- so it's
like they're the same.

2540
01:35:10,552 --> 01:35:12,260
It's like he's trying
to say that they're

2541
01:35:12,260 --> 01:35:18,690
the same because an
archangel has those also.

2542
01:35:18,690 --> 01:35:23,600
And that's why the fast
propulsion, like the capacity

2543
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,020
to switch change quickly.

2544
01:35:27,020 --> 01:35:29,730
Because those are like
access points, he's saying.

2545
01:35:29,730 --> 01:35:30,530
>> OK.

2546
01:35:30,530 --> 01:35:36,020
>> Those rings are like access
points to the whole reality.

2547
01:35:36,020 --> 01:35:39,200
Whatever access
point he's at, he

2548
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:42,140
has access to the
whole realm of it,

2549
01:35:42,140 --> 01:35:44,450
like anything happening
on that channel.

2550
01:35:44,450 --> 01:35:45,440
>> Ah, OK.

2551
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:47,270
That's huge.

2552
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:48,560
That's pretty big.

2553
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:49,940
>> Like a portal almost.

2554
01:35:49,940 --> 01:35:53,570
>> In terms of us understanding
what an archangel is,

2555
01:35:53,570 --> 01:35:56,210
certainly since humanity
has been around,

2556
01:35:56,210 --> 01:36:00,350
or for a long time, people
have identified archangels like

2557
01:36:00,350 --> 01:36:04,010
seven of them or a
certain particular number.

2558
01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:08,480
Is that accurate or are there
many, many more than seven?

2559
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:11,330
>> He's saying many,
many, many more.

2560
01:36:11,330 --> 01:36:14,930
>> If I refer to the Archangel
Michael, do you think, oh,

2561
01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:17,630
that's my buddy
Michael or is that--

2562
01:36:17,630 --> 01:36:20,120
how does that work?

2563
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:25,100
>> Not like you do in your
frame of reference, he says.

2564
01:36:25,100 --> 01:36:28,130
When you say "Archangel
Michael," for him,

2565
01:36:28,130 --> 01:36:35,340
he connects more to a cause,
like cause and effect.

2566
01:36:35,340 --> 01:36:38,760
So it's like I see
literally like a shift.

2567
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:41,010
When I say how do you
connect to Michael,

2568
01:36:41,010 --> 01:36:48,490
I see a shift and then awareness
in like compassion, heart,

2569
01:36:48,490 --> 01:36:49,290
protection.

2570
01:36:49,290 --> 01:36:55,520
Whatever the cause, is
it's a shift into that.

2571
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:57,690
I'm like so--

2572
01:36:57,690 --> 01:37:00,400
I don't know why he keeps
repeating the word "exodus."

2573
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:03,187
It is so fascinating
because that's

2574
01:37:03,187 --> 01:37:05,520
sort of how he was answering
your question when you were

2575
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:10,620
saying, when I mention
"Michael," how do you connect

2576
01:37:10,620 --> 01:37:11,970
to your buddy Michael?

2577
01:37:11,970 --> 01:37:15,600
He's saying like "exodus."

2578
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,370
So it's almost like
exodus is the bridge

2579
01:37:17,370 --> 01:37:18,990
to get to compassion.

2580
01:37:18,990 --> 01:37:20,640
Because like we
would say "Michael."

2581
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:22,140
We would use a name identity.

2582
01:37:22,140 --> 01:37:25,530
But they use like
an intent identity.

2583
01:37:25,530 --> 01:37:27,740
>> Is it a vibrational
identity or intent?

2584
01:37:27,740 --> 01:37:29,400
>> Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2585
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:31,500
Like intent.

2586
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:34,090
>> But exodus would be movement
from one place to the next.

2587
01:37:34,090 --> 01:37:34,890
>> Yeah.

2588
01:37:34,890 --> 01:37:36,720
That's what he's
showing, like a shift.

2589
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:37,950
>> Like a shift.

2590
01:37:37,950 --> 01:37:41,070
So all right, here's a
question people on the planet

2591
01:37:41,070 --> 01:37:41,890
might want to know.

2592
01:37:41,890 --> 01:37:43,710
Are we going through
an exodus right now?

2593
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,160
>> He's like you
better believe it.

2594
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:53,660
>> [LAUGHING] Is it
a speeded up exodus,

2595
01:37:53,660 --> 01:37:58,400
or is people's awareness
becoming part of that exodus,

2596
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:00,830
or is it just something
that's happening?

2597
01:38:00,830 --> 01:38:03,320
I mean are we responsible
for it or are you

2598
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:05,750
guys responsible for it?

2599
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:07,530
Collective, mutual.

2600
01:38:07,530 --> 01:38:08,330
>> Mutual.

2601
01:38:08,330 --> 01:38:17,460
>> So he's saying it's like
the effect of slowing it down

2602
01:38:17,460 --> 01:38:18,780
speeds it up.

2603
01:38:18,780 --> 01:38:24,120
It's like in order to manifest
the construct of anything that

2604
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:27,180
serves, you have to
remove what doesn't serve.

2605
01:38:27,180 --> 01:38:29,820
So you have to have
that holy destruction.

2606
01:38:29,820 --> 01:38:33,287
And so keeping it
sacred and seeing it--

2607
01:38:33,287 --> 01:38:35,370
because if you keep it
sacred, you don't judge it.

2608
01:38:37,890 --> 01:38:41,340
Maintaining spaciousness
is vital for survival,

2609
01:38:41,340 --> 01:38:42,900
he's saying.

2610
01:38:42,900 --> 01:38:43,890
Because you have--

2611
01:38:43,890 --> 01:38:45,960
>> Maintain spaciousness,
did you say?

2612
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:47,240
Maintain spaciousness?

2613
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:48,040
OK.

2614
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:50,310
>> Yeah, he's saying
it's like it's vital.

2615
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:52,920
It's vital for survival.

2616
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:57,210
Otherwise it's like
eating yourself sick.

2617
01:38:57,210 --> 01:38:59,780
It's like eating so much
food, you have no more space

2618
01:38:59,780 --> 01:39:02,960
to put the food, but you just
keep eating until you die.

2619
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,420
But if you don't have
space to put the food,

2620
01:39:05,420 --> 01:39:08,600
if you don't maintain
spaciousness,

2621
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,460
we're just constantly
taking in, taking in.

2622
01:39:10,460 --> 01:39:12,840
But if we're not
expanding, if we're not

2623
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:15,290
present to what we're taking
in, we're not expanding,

2624
01:39:15,290 --> 01:39:16,730
we don't have spaciousness.

2625
01:39:16,730 --> 01:39:18,240
We're not recycling.

2626
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:22,050
>> What's your opinion
of what we're doing here?

2627
01:39:22,050 --> 01:39:23,060
>> In what--

2628
01:39:23,060 --> 01:39:26,060
>> In terms of chatting with
you on the flipside and showing

2629
01:39:26,060 --> 01:39:28,310
people that you can chat to
your guides, and teachers,

2630
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:30,170
and council members
any time they want to.

2631
01:39:30,170 --> 01:39:31,460
Is that a good thing?

2632
01:39:31,460 --> 01:39:33,310
>> OK.

2633
01:39:33,310 --> 01:39:36,050
Yes, like there's such a push
behind-- when you say, "Is that

2634
01:39:36,050 --> 01:39:36,850
a good thing?"

2635
01:39:36,850 --> 01:39:40,210
There's such a push behind
like punctuate the yes as

2636
01:39:40,210 --> 01:39:41,350
big as you can.

2637
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:42,580
That's what he's expressing.

2638
01:39:42,580 --> 01:39:43,430
>> Very good.

2639
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:44,230
All right.

2640
01:39:44,230 --> 01:39:46,750
>> Because that
in itself is the--

2641
01:39:46,750 --> 01:39:50,380
he says that in itself is
the display of spaciousness.

2642
01:39:50,380 --> 01:39:53,400
>> I've seen how all those
diseases can affect people

2643
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:54,200
and felt that.

2644
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,410
So to be able to
do anything that

2645
01:39:56,410 --> 01:40:00,730
accelerates a treatment
of diseases like that

2646
01:40:00,730 --> 01:40:02,350
would be a fantastic thing.

2647
01:40:02,350 --> 01:40:05,500
This next research is trying
to fundamentally understand

2648
01:40:05,500 --> 01:40:06,850
how the brain works.

2649
01:40:06,850 --> 01:40:10,720
And if you understood how
the brain worked better,

2650
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:14,050
that would help you treat
different kinds of personality

2651
01:40:14,050 --> 01:40:17,810
disorder, all sorts of different
other diseases associated

2652
01:40:17,810 --> 01:40:18,610
with the brain.

2653
01:40:18,610 --> 01:40:21,490
>> When Paul Allen passed, we
asked who was there to greet

2654
01:40:21,490 --> 01:40:22,290
him--

2655
01:40:22,290 --> 01:40:23,530
Dave Duerson and Junior Seau.

2656
01:40:23,530 --> 01:40:25,600
They wanted to thank him
for his Brain Institute.

2657
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:27,940
I reached out to Junior's
widow as an experiment

2658
01:40:27,940 --> 01:40:30,820
to see if Jennifer could
connect to her husband Junior

2659
01:40:30,820 --> 01:40:34,100
without knowing
she was his widow.

2660
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:38,210
>> He was, like, I almost
made it to the finish line.

2661
01:40:38,210 --> 01:40:39,010
Thank you.

2662
01:40:39,010 --> 01:40:42,220
He said he went and saw people
privately, like doctors,

2663
01:40:42,220 --> 01:40:46,810
or did he go see
people for his mind?

2664
01:40:46,810 --> 01:40:50,050
I just felt like whatever
he was taking made it worse.

2665
01:40:50,050 --> 01:40:51,230
>> Yeah, that's true.

2666
01:40:51,230 --> 01:40:52,030
>> OK.

2667
01:40:52,030 --> 01:40:54,622
>> Lots of Ambien.

2668
01:40:54,622 --> 01:40:56,430
Lots of Ambien.

2669
01:40:56,430 --> 01:40:58,190
>> He covered everything.

2670
01:40:58,190 --> 01:40:59,585
>> Junior would you show--

2671
01:40:59,585 --> 01:41:00,960
>> He had people
covering things.

2672
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:05,170
>> Junior, would you show
Jennifer how you showed up

2673
01:41:05,170 --> 01:41:08,475
in our research,
if you don't mind.

2674
01:41:08,475 --> 01:41:09,850
And it has to do
with your brain.

2675
01:41:15,620 --> 01:41:17,174
>> Show me again?

2676
01:41:23,580 --> 01:41:27,180
Oh, wrestling--
or not wrestling.

2677
01:41:27,180 --> 01:41:29,280
The-- what was it called?

2678
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:33,150
He just showed me the guy that--

2679
01:41:33,150 --> 01:41:35,790
not Microsoft, but
what was it, right?

2680
01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:36,780
He showed me that guy.

2681
01:41:36,780 --> 01:41:39,840
And he showed me like their
research that they were doing.

2682
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:40,800
>> Correct.

2683
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,390
>> Because they know that--

2684
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:43,590
for concussions.

2685
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:45,960
And that that's what
caused all of this.

2686
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,118
And that everything because
I'm looking for stuff--

2687
01:41:48,118 --> 01:41:49,410
I'm looking fucking everywhere.

2688
01:41:49,410 --> 01:41:50,910
And he's like just relax.

2689
01:41:50,910 --> 01:41:52,890
I'm still a control freak.

2690
01:41:52,890 --> 01:41:55,950
>> Somebody-- the Microsoft
guy-- we were talking to him.

2691
01:41:55,950 --> 01:41:57,930
And we were talking
to him about who

2692
01:41:57,930 --> 01:41:59,630
greeted him on the other side.

2693
01:41:59,630 --> 01:42:00,430
>> Oh, it was him!

2694
01:42:00,430 --> 01:42:01,500
>> Yeah, it was him.

2695
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:02,680
>> Oh my god.

2696
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:04,710
Oh my god.

2697
01:42:04,710 --> 01:42:08,190
>> Dave Duerson and Junior Seau
came by three times to insist

2698
01:42:08,190 --> 01:42:11,970
we tell people that Joe Namath
has cured his CTE by using

2699
01:42:11,970 --> 01:42:13,950
hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

2700
01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:16,050
Hacking the afterlife
as a methodology

2701
01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:19,350
may one day help find cures
for illness or climate change

2702
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:21,280
from those no longer
on the planet.

2703
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:24,350
It's worth exploring
the possibility.

2704
01:42:24,350 --> 01:42:25,440
>> Number nine.

2705
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:31,320
And when you're ready, number
10, eyes open, wide awake.

2706
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:32,736
Wide awake now.

2707
01:42:32,736 --> 01:42:34,990
Number 10, wide awake.

2708
01:42:34,990 --> 01:42:37,625
>> So when are you guys
you going to start,

2709
01:42:37,625 --> 01:42:39,250
because I've got to
turn the camera on.

2710
01:42:39,250 --> 01:42:40,620
>> [LAUGHS] Very funny.

2711
01:42:40,620 --> 01:42:44,010
You know what the
most interesting thing

2712
01:42:44,010 --> 01:42:47,250
was the inability
to speak at times.

2713
01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:53,310
I could tell it was difficult
to shake off what it actually

2714
01:42:53,310 --> 01:42:55,690
did to the soul.

2715
01:42:55,690 --> 01:42:56,490
>> Yeah?

2716
01:42:56,490 --> 01:42:57,540
>> Like it's like--

2717
01:42:57,540 --> 01:43:01,690
>> The quote you said was
"It actually burned my soul."

2718
01:43:01,690 --> 01:43:02,490
>> Yeah, I said it.

2719
01:43:02,490 --> 01:43:03,290
That's how it felt.

2720
01:43:03,290 --> 01:43:03,510
>> Yeah.

2721
01:43:03,510 --> 01:43:04,690
>> It literally felt like--

2722
01:43:04,690 --> 01:43:05,523
>> Like it scorched.

2723
01:43:05,523 --> 01:43:09,630
>> Like, yeah, literally
like I had burned inside.

2724
01:43:09,630 --> 01:43:13,350
>> Howard passed away
on New Year's Eve 2014.

2725
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:14,940
He was sitting on
the beach in Hawaii

2726
01:43:14,940 --> 01:43:18,660
at dawn reflecting on his 61
years of a life well lived.

2727
01:43:18,660 --> 01:43:21,000
He's come often to speak
through Jennifer Shaffer.

2728
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,850
She said at his memorial,
he was there, Rich, standing

2729
01:43:23,850 --> 01:43:26,040
behind you enjoying the show.

2730
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:28,770
>> So what was interesting
when that just happened,

2731
01:43:28,770 --> 01:43:33,030
when I saw Prince, then I saw a
picture of Prince and somebody

2732
01:43:33,030 --> 01:43:35,190
took it off of a clipboard.

2733
01:43:35,190 --> 01:43:38,430
And it was your buddy
Schultz, Howard.

2734
01:43:38,430 --> 01:43:39,240
>> OK, Howard.

2735
01:43:39,240 --> 01:43:40,573
>> I think it's about his wife--

2736
01:43:40,573 --> 01:43:41,890
hold on.

2737
01:43:41,890 --> 01:43:43,300
Were you married?

2738
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:44,520
20 years.

2739
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:46,860
>> So Howard, can we
ask you some questions?

2740
01:43:46,860 --> 01:43:49,440
Can we ask you some questions
about what's going on?

2741
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:51,983
What is it like for you
to communicate with us?

2742
01:43:51,983 --> 01:43:54,150
Like Jennifer and I are
sitting here in her office--

2743
01:43:54,150 --> 01:43:54,950
>> Fun.

2744
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:56,730
He says fun.

2745
01:43:56,730 --> 01:44:00,150
He's showing me that
it is a vibration.

2746
01:44:00,150 --> 01:44:03,570
It's like everybody comes in
certain colors, vibrations,

2747
01:44:03,570 --> 01:44:04,710
you name it.

2748
01:44:04,710 --> 01:44:06,010
It's all frequencies.

2749
01:44:06,010 --> 01:44:06,810
>> All frequencies.

2750
01:44:06,810 --> 01:44:08,928
>> So everything vibrates
at a different level,

2751
01:44:08,928 --> 01:44:10,470
whether it's the
ocean and mountains.

2752
01:44:10,470 --> 01:44:12,720
And so you can
take that frequency

2753
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:14,170
and create your own space.

2754
01:44:14,170 --> 01:44:16,530
>> So where do you
hang out, Howard?

2755
01:44:16,530 --> 01:44:18,540
Have you created a home?

2756
01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:19,470
>> Maui.

2757
01:44:19,470 --> 01:44:20,270
>> In Maui.

2758
01:44:20,270 --> 01:44:21,300
So it feels like Maui?

2759
01:44:21,300 --> 01:44:22,200
>> Well, I said Maui.

2760
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:23,910
He just showed me playing golf.

2761
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:26,050
>> But how much of the
course do you create?

2762
01:44:26,050 --> 01:44:28,653
Do you create just one
hole or what's in your view

2763
01:44:28,653 --> 01:44:29,570
or do you create all--

2764
01:44:29,570 --> 01:44:30,420
>> He collaborates.

2765
01:44:30,420 --> 01:44:33,510
He creates an awareness
with the frequency.

2766
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:37,950
That if people love
that, they'll come in.

2767
01:44:37,950 --> 01:44:39,640
>> What's your handicap?

2768
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:40,460
>> 70?

2769
01:44:40,460 --> 01:44:41,260
>> [LAUGHS].

2770
01:44:41,260 --> 01:44:42,060
OK.

2771
01:44:42,060 --> 01:44:43,770
Very good.

2772
01:44:43,770 --> 01:44:44,700
The most I know--

2773
01:44:44,700 --> 01:44:46,140
>> If I'm getting this right--

2774
01:44:46,140 --> 01:44:47,850
again, it's interpretation.

2775
01:44:47,850 --> 01:44:49,090
But he's shown me a grid.

2776
01:44:49,090 --> 01:44:52,860
So if you had a 3D model
of what you wanted,

2777
01:44:52,860 --> 01:44:57,660
he's creating something
that is so spectacular

2778
01:44:57,660 --> 01:44:59,460
so other people come.

2779
01:44:59,460 --> 01:45:00,990
Like he's able to do it.

2780
01:45:00,990 --> 01:45:03,000
He's getting information
from everyone.

2781
01:45:03,000 --> 01:45:06,960
He's taking information
from all of the golf courses

2782
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,020
and building his own
with help from people

2783
01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:11,460
that know how to build.

2784
01:45:11,460 --> 01:45:15,780
>> So Howard, so is there
anybody that we mutually know

2785
01:45:15,780 --> 01:45:18,210
that you hang out with
or anybody you want me--

2786
01:45:18,210 --> 01:45:19,080
>> Luana.

2787
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:19,620
>> Luana?

2788
01:45:19,620 --> 01:45:20,580
OK, very good.

2789
01:45:20,580 --> 01:45:22,030
Did you ever meet Luana?

2790
01:45:22,030 --> 01:45:22,830
I don't know.

2791
01:45:22,830 --> 01:45:23,700
I don't think so.

2792
01:45:23,700 --> 01:45:23,940
>> No.

2793
01:45:23,940 --> 01:45:25,310
>> But you know her there.

2794
01:45:25,310 --> 01:45:26,110
Tell me--

2795
01:45:26,110 --> 01:45:28,320
>> Yes, because
they both visit you.

2796
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:32,460
>> Well she was a Buddhist who
had trained in the Japanese

2797
01:45:32,460 --> 01:45:37,190
school of Buddhism,
SGI, it's called--

2798
01:45:37,190 --> 01:45:38,940
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.

2799
01:45:38,940 --> 01:45:40,640
So she's very focused on that.

2800
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:41,640
>> Best thing, she said.

2801
01:45:41,640 --> 01:45:43,200
The best thing she ever did.

2802
01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:44,000
>> Very good.

2803
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,390
It saved her life, I'm sure.

2804
01:45:45,390 --> 01:45:45,930
She told me that a few times.

2805
01:45:45,930 --> 01:45:46,920
>> And meaning you.

2806
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:47,730
Yeah.

2807
01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:48,420
>> And what?

2808
01:45:48,420 --> 01:45:49,180
>> Meeting you.

2809
01:45:49,180 --> 01:45:50,097
>> Oh, and meeting me.

2810
01:45:50,097 --> 01:45:51,120
Oh, thanks, Lu.

2811
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:51,922
I appreciate that.

2812
01:45:51,922 --> 01:45:53,130
>> She just threw you a bone.

2813
01:45:53,130 --> 01:45:53,670
>> Oh.

2814
01:45:53,670 --> 01:45:54,720
>> A real bone.

2815
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:56,040
>> Literally, threw me a bone.

2816
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:56,840
Yeah, that's good.

2817
01:45:59,350 --> 01:46:00,520
>> He's a smart aleck.

2818
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:01,630
He's like razzing you.

2819
01:46:01,630 --> 01:46:02,680
>> What does he say?

2820
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:09,340
>> He says-- he's like
what are you talking about?

2821
01:46:09,340 --> 01:46:10,230
We go way back.

2822
01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:12,010
Like when you talk about
aren't you impressed?

2823
01:46:12,010 --> 01:46:13,370
Like what are you talking about?

2824
01:46:13,370 --> 01:46:14,260
We go way back.

2825
01:46:14,260 --> 01:46:16,967
And it's kind of
like where are you?

2826
01:46:16,967 --> 01:46:19,300
But he's just kind of like
beating you up, you know how?

2827
01:46:19,300 --> 01:46:20,100
>> I know.

2828
01:46:20,100 --> 01:46:21,760
That was our relationship.

2829
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,830
So I mean, you're looking
at us sitting here

2830
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:30,040
in Hugo's Restaurant in West
Hollywood, what do you see?

2831
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:31,941
>> Like it's about time.

2832
01:46:31,941 --> 01:46:34,066
I don't know if you've been
hesitant to talk to him

2833
01:46:34,066 --> 01:46:36,790
or open up or something,
but he's like--

2834
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:39,490
he keeps going like this.

2835
01:46:39,490 --> 01:46:44,620
>> Did your Grandma
almost couldn't walk?

2836
01:46:44,620 --> 01:46:45,560
>> She was old.

2837
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:47,030
She could walk, but she old.

2838
01:46:51,670 --> 01:46:53,870
OK?

2839
01:46:53,870 --> 01:46:56,510
>> Mommy, your grandma's here.

2840
01:46:56,510 --> 01:47:01,640
And she says, "Hi, Jamiela!"

2841
01:47:01,640 --> 01:47:03,440
>> What?

2842
01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:07,010
>> Your grandma's here,
and she says "Hi, Jamiela!"

2843
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:12,850
>> "Hacking the Afterlife,"
written, directed,

2844
01:47:12,850 --> 01:47:14,590
produced by Richard Martini.

2845
01:47:14,590 --> 01:47:17,340
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