1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:45,523 --> 00:00:46,698 - You ready? 4 00:00:47,525 --> 00:00:48,613 - Yeah. 5 00:00:50,398 --> 00:00:52,052 - Are you ready? - Uh-huh. 6 00:01:09,243 --> 00:01:12,681 - To watch him come in and out of reality 7 00:01:12,724 --> 00:01:17,729 as his disease progressed was torture. 8 00:01:17,773 --> 00:01:24,910 It was really, really painful for not only myself, but others who knew him over the years. 9 00:01:24,954 --> 00:01:28,044 He went from this gentle giant 10 00:01:28,088 --> 00:01:32,918 to being this man that was unpredictable and to be feared, 11 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:37,358 and would talk about stuff that would blow your mind. 12 00:01:37,401 --> 00:01:40,056 I remember one night getting off the phone with him 13 00:01:40,100 --> 00:01:42,058 and just curling up in a ball crying 14 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:47,194 because after a 45-minute conversation, he made no sense. 15 00:02:10,217 --> 00:02:15,178 - Well, this is about the spot where I first saw him. 16 00:02:19,226 --> 00:02:22,707 And he was standing about over there. 17 00:02:23,795 --> 00:02:26,537 He was sort of a Neanderthal-looking, 18 00:02:27,625 --> 00:02:29,149 I could describe it like that. 19 00:02:30,150 --> 00:02:33,370 Powerful, about six foot 'cause I later looked 20 00:02:33,414 --> 00:02:35,198 at that rock behind him. 21 00:02:35,242 --> 00:02:38,245 After the primate went down back through there, 22 00:02:38,288 --> 00:02:43,119 I came down here, went behind there and I got this sample. 23 00:02:51,649 --> 00:02:54,739 - Where is it? - It's in there, yes it is. 24 00:02:59,309 --> 00:03:01,093 But this is only a tiny snippet. 25 00:03:01,137 --> 00:03:04,793 I've got the other stuff safe and sound, 26 00:03:04,836 --> 00:03:06,534 the test samples I sent out, 27 00:03:07,926 --> 00:03:10,712 but I must have dropped this. 28 00:03:10,755 --> 00:03:13,802 I sent samples off to various biologists, 29 00:03:13,845 --> 00:03:16,805 but none of them reported anything other than human hair. 30 00:03:19,242 --> 00:03:22,158 - Some of these people become actually pretty obsessive. 31 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:24,639 They want a recurrence of the experience. 32 00:03:24,682 --> 00:03:27,076 They're actively hunting for 33 00:03:27,119 --> 00:03:29,818 and seeking out another sighting. 34 00:03:29,861 --> 00:03:34,257 And they will start to disregard their careers, 35 00:03:34,301 --> 00:03:38,087 their marriages, their children, their hobbies. 36 00:03:38,130 --> 00:03:40,742 Everything will get shunted to the side 37 00:03:40,785 --> 00:03:45,442 in pursuit of the second sighting of another time 38 00:03:45,486 --> 00:03:48,706 when they can see this mythical creature before them. 39 00:03:48,750 --> 00:03:50,273 Some of these people, unfortunately, 40 00:03:50,317 --> 00:03:53,363 their lives can spiral out of control. 41 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:58,412 - The guys that catch Bigfoot gold fever become lost to it. 42 00:03:59,413 --> 00:04:02,851 I think obsession has a kind of a pathological edge to it, 43 00:04:02,894 --> 00:04:05,854 where you lose contact with the rest of life 44 00:04:05,897 --> 00:04:08,335 and you lose your ability to function 45 00:04:08,378 --> 00:04:10,859 as an ordinary human being in society, 46 00:04:10,902 --> 00:04:12,861 or at least it becomes impaired. 47 00:04:12,904 --> 00:04:16,865 These people, by the way, the Bigfoot obsessives, 48 00:04:18,083 --> 00:04:21,696 are all male in my experience. 49 00:04:21,739 --> 00:04:23,219 They go over the edge 50 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:26,222 and it becomes the central concern of their lives, 51 00:04:26,266 --> 00:04:28,006 and they make a connection to themselves, 52 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:29,530 and it becomes themselves, 53 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:31,793 and they lose their perspective of the difference 54 00:04:31,836 --> 00:04:33,273 between themselves and Bigfoot. 55 00:04:33,316 --> 00:04:35,405 And they identify with him so closely 56 00:04:36,145 --> 00:04:38,103 that they simply have to find it. 57 00:04:47,374 --> 00:04:51,334 - Through the years, his focus has completely changed 58 00:04:51,378 --> 00:04:54,294 from all the things in normal life with his business, 59 00:04:54,337 --> 00:04:58,298 with his family, with society, all that changed. 60 00:04:58,341 --> 00:05:01,779 And it's now completely just this singular focus. 61 00:05:03,085 --> 00:05:04,739 You know, he lives down at the river 62 00:05:04,782 --> 00:05:08,090 in the most meager way you can imagine, 63 00:05:08,133 --> 00:05:10,222 and he's content with that. 64 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:11,833 And he believes really anything more 65 00:05:11,876 --> 00:05:15,576 is just a luxury that it's not necessary. 66 00:05:15,619 --> 00:05:17,404 Then he can dedicate all of his time 67 00:05:17,447 --> 00:05:20,494 and put all of his energy into traveling through the woods, 68 00:05:20,537 --> 00:05:22,322 trying to vindicate himself. 69 00:05:22,365 --> 00:05:24,933 I think he really wants to just connect the dots. 70 00:05:24,976 --> 00:05:27,762 And they're not connected right now. 71 00:05:40,905 --> 00:05:42,342 - Yeah, my parents met in AA. 72 00:05:43,430 --> 00:05:44,866 I think, as far as I know, 73 00:05:44,909 --> 00:05:47,085 I think they just were in the same club, 74 00:05:47,129 --> 00:05:48,957 the same meetings together. 75 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,960 So an AA club is really just a bar 76 00:05:52,003 --> 00:05:54,005 where everyone's just drinking coffee and smoking. 77 00:05:54,049 --> 00:05:57,313 But it functions just like a bar until there's a meeting. 78 00:05:57,357 --> 00:05:59,228 "Hello, 12 o'clock meeting is about to start." 79 00:05:59,271 --> 00:06:02,797 And then half the people that go upstairs, do their meeting, 80 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:05,408 come back down, belly up to the bar, 81 00:06:05,452 --> 00:06:08,716 get more coffee, and then they mingle. 82 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:10,979 It operates just like a bar. 83 00:06:11,022 --> 00:06:12,676 So they met in that environment. 84 00:06:14,809 --> 00:06:15,897 - There she is. 85 00:06:15,940 --> 00:06:17,638 Hey madam, last day of vacation. 86 00:06:17,681 --> 00:06:20,858 Did you have a goodly time? 87 00:06:20,902 --> 00:06:21,816 Huh? - Yes. 88 00:06:21,859 --> 00:06:23,165 - What's that? 89 00:06:23,208 --> 00:06:24,862 Is that hang loose thing? 90 00:06:24,906 --> 00:06:26,777 I thought you meant something else. 91 00:06:26,821 --> 00:06:28,475 Oh, yeah, that's just my mind working. 92 00:06:28,518 --> 00:06:29,867 - These are our homemade drinks. 93 00:06:29,911 --> 00:06:33,044 Mine is mango, guava, pineapple and rum. 94 00:06:33,088 --> 00:06:34,176 You're gonna hit the thing, the furniture. 95 00:06:34,219 --> 00:06:37,179 - Oh, okay and mine's-- 96 00:06:37,222 --> 00:06:39,137 - It's very tasty actually. 97 00:06:39,181 --> 00:06:41,575 And John's is rum and Coke. 98 00:06:41,618 --> 00:06:44,186 - I think she's mad at me again. Look at that. 99 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:45,448 - Okay, turn it off. You know what? 100 00:06:45,492 --> 00:06:46,841 You're just, wait. 101 00:06:46,884 --> 00:06:48,843 Have this guy take a video of both of us. 102 00:06:48,886 --> 00:06:50,366 - Okay! 103 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:51,846 - Yeah, keep the lights going. - Okay, yeah! 104 00:06:51,889 --> 00:06:53,804 - We just want- 105 00:06:54,805 --> 00:06:56,720 - Hello honey, hello. 106 00:06:58,330 --> 00:06:59,854 - I just want to be together on the video. 107 00:06:59,897 --> 00:07:01,203 - She wants to be together. 108 00:07:01,246 --> 00:07:03,640 - Yep, that's the way to do it. 109 00:07:03,684 --> 00:07:05,033 - Okay. - What else, what else? 110 00:07:05,076 --> 00:07:06,730 What do you want to tell us? - Nothing. 111 00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:09,429 - Tell me nothing? 112 00:07:09,472 --> 00:07:10,908 - End of the vacation. 113 00:07:23,051 --> 00:07:24,400 - You're gonna keep your back straight, 114 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:25,923 stick your butt back, 115 00:07:25,967 --> 00:07:28,099 two hands up and down as hard as you can go. 116 00:07:29,057 --> 00:07:31,668 Up closer, up closer to the weight, there you go. 117 00:07:31,712 --> 00:07:33,148 Keep those knees back, please. 118 00:07:34,584 --> 00:07:37,544 Four, and extend hips. 119 00:07:37,587 --> 00:07:38,893 Up in the air, boom. 120 00:07:38,936 --> 00:07:40,634 All the way down, rotate high. 121 00:07:40,677 --> 00:07:42,287 Reach high out of the toes. 122 00:07:42,331 --> 00:07:44,115 For being out in the woods, 123 00:07:44,159 --> 00:07:47,423 and you're gonna always changing angles everywhere you go, 124 00:07:47,467 --> 00:07:49,904 as far as the terrain is concerned, it's always changing. 125 00:07:49,947 --> 00:07:51,296 And you wanna make sure that any position 126 00:07:51,340 --> 00:07:53,168 that you get yourself into, 127 00:07:53,211 --> 00:07:55,518 and you're gonna repeatedly get yourself in and out of, 128 00:07:55,562 --> 00:07:56,954 you want to train that. 129 00:07:56,998 --> 00:07:58,826 If you haven't lifted it in the past in the gym, 130 00:07:58,869 --> 00:08:00,915 then it's gonna be even harder to do out there 131 00:08:00,958 --> 00:08:03,439 in the real life, outside the gym doors. 132 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:06,703 So dead lifts and squats, lunges, all those things 133 00:08:06,747 --> 00:08:08,096 are really gonna improve your core, 134 00:08:08,139 --> 00:08:09,489 they're gonna improve your flexibility 135 00:08:09,532 --> 00:08:12,100 and you're gonna make a lot more time out 136 00:08:12,143 --> 00:08:13,188 in the woods possible. 137 00:08:15,582 --> 00:08:17,540 - He works really hard on being fit 138 00:08:17,584 --> 00:08:20,717 because if you're gonna get out into this wilderness, 139 00:08:20,761 --> 00:08:22,414 it's physically very demanding. 140 00:08:22,458 --> 00:08:24,591 I've become pretty close to him 141 00:08:24,634 --> 00:08:26,593 and he's a very interesting guy. 142 00:08:26,636 --> 00:08:29,291 And he's very dedicated to what he's doing. 143 00:08:29,334 --> 00:08:30,945 He's taken a little different approach 144 00:08:30,988 --> 00:08:32,163 than myself and my group. 145 00:08:32,207 --> 00:08:33,948 I've created a non-profit group 146 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:36,428 that we call Sasquatch Savers. 147 00:08:36,472 --> 00:08:40,041 And we're dedicated to discovery of the science 148 00:08:40,084 --> 00:08:43,131 about ultimately the preservation of these primates. 149 00:08:43,174 --> 00:08:45,786 I've got a strong, scientific curiosity, 150 00:08:45,829 --> 00:08:49,964 but it hasn't changed me in the way it's changed John. 151 00:08:50,007 --> 00:08:53,620 I've never really teamed up with him in the past, 152 00:08:53,663 --> 00:08:55,622 'cause he's just a lone wolf. 153 00:09:01,932 --> 00:09:03,543 - Come in. - It's cold out today. 154 00:09:04,369 --> 00:09:05,675 - So there's beef and chicken, 155 00:09:05,719 --> 00:09:07,068 there you go. - Alright, one of each, okay. 156 00:09:07,111 --> 00:09:08,373 - I'll weigh it for you. 157 00:09:08,417 --> 00:09:09,592 - Yeah, beef and chicken it's- - Yeah! 158 00:09:09,636 --> 00:09:10,550 It's not real beef anyway, 159 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:11,594 it's just flavored. 160 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:12,813 - We have a lot of homeless. 161 00:09:12,856 --> 00:09:15,206 We have 92 homeless men and women. 162 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:18,645 And the men basically are the ones that come in 163 00:09:18,688 --> 00:09:21,604 and they have stories, they love to tell stories 164 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:23,824 about everything that happens to them out in the wild. 165 00:09:23,867 --> 00:09:27,131 We don't know if it's true, we don't know if it's false, 166 00:09:27,175 --> 00:09:29,743 but they sure are convincing. 167 00:09:29,786 --> 00:09:32,746 - What I saw is what I saw. 168 00:09:32,789 --> 00:09:33,660 It's real. 169 00:09:34,965 --> 00:09:37,577 I looked at it, I looked in his eyes or her eyes. 170 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:40,710 I'm going to prove that that primate exists. 171 00:09:40,754 --> 00:09:44,018 And when I do, I know it will be sensational, 172 00:09:44,061 --> 00:09:46,237 hit all the news media, I know that. 173 00:09:46,281 --> 00:09:49,110 But to take it further than that, 174 00:09:49,153 --> 00:09:52,679 to take it to celebrity status, and fame and money and, 175 00:09:52,722 --> 00:09:54,768 that's not what I want to do. 176 00:09:54,811 --> 00:09:57,074 I want to prove it exists 177 00:09:57,118 --> 00:10:00,251 and achieve a lifetime's ambition. 178 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,867 - One thing about the Bigfoot gold fever people, 179 00:10:06,910 --> 00:10:09,217 they're not very good woodsmen. 180 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:12,046 They don't know very much natural history, 181 00:10:12,089 --> 00:10:14,744 which is one of the biggest problems of all 182 00:10:14,788 --> 00:10:16,050 in the Bigfoot community. 183 00:10:16,093 --> 00:10:17,399 Those who go out and search Bigfoot, 184 00:10:17,442 --> 00:10:19,314 they don't know much natural history. 185 00:10:20,184 --> 00:10:24,667 So they'll hear a great gray owl or a barred owl, 186 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:26,887 which are very common now, 187 00:10:31,935 --> 00:10:33,676 Oh, it must be Bigfoot. 188 00:10:36,636 --> 00:10:40,596 - That area down there is perfect for a primate, 189 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,033 a Sasquatch to come down through here. 190 00:10:43,077 --> 00:10:45,645 And there have been known sightings 191 00:10:46,297 --> 00:10:49,300 in different times of the year, along this river. 192 00:10:49,344 --> 00:10:50,606 - They don't know how to forage 193 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:52,652 for food in the wild, 194 00:10:52,695 --> 00:10:56,220 they don't know how to protect themselves 195 00:10:56,264 --> 00:10:57,961 from the elements very well. 196 00:10:59,963 --> 00:11:01,312 They're going to places 197 00:11:01,356 --> 00:11:03,663 that they're not really fit for physically, 198 00:11:03,706 --> 00:11:05,273 and getting themselves in dangerous situations 199 00:11:05,316 --> 00:11:09,712 in terms of relief and the exposure and falls. 200 00:11:10,757 --> 00:11:13,977 And some of them, I suppose, probably don't come out again, 201 00:11:14,021 --> 00:11:15,370 I don't know. 202 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:17,677 I don't know of any cases of that really, 203 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,069 losing their life to it, 204 00:11:19,113 --> 00:11:20,680 but I can see that happening, certainly. 205 00:11:24,379 --> 00:11:27,121 - I was working down at the gym yesterday, 206 00:11:27,164 --> 00:11:29,166 I should've backed off a bit. 207 00:11:29,210 --> 00:11:32,039 My legs really hurt and lower back. 208 00:11:51,014 --> 00:11:51,711 Hello. 209 00:11:58,239 --> 00:12:00,023 Sara, do you have a towel? 210 00:12:01,285 --> 00:12:02,852 - Yeah. - Please. 211 00:12:12,253 --> 00:12:13,733 Thank you, got it, thanks. 212 00:12:16,431 --> 00:12:18,607 - You know, at this point in my life, why? 213 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:20,914 Why would I bother being in a relationship? 214 00:12:20,957 --> 00:12:22,742 Why would I be with another man 215 00:12:22,785 --> 00:12:27,311 that's going to make me feel unworthy, unattractive, 216 00:12:27,355 --> 00:12:30,358 not valuable enough to be worth keeping? 217 00:12:30,401 --> 00:12:34,231 And when I met John and was intrigued by his story, 218 00:12:34,275 --> 00:12:36,059 and everything that came through 219 00:12:36,103 --> 00:12:41,325 from him to me was genuine and good and real and honest, 220 00:12:42,065 --> 00:12:47,070 and it seemed like it was lower risk 221 00:12:47,418 --> 00:12:49,116 than maybe my past. 222 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:51,814 It seemed like it would work 223 00:12:51,858 --> 00:12:54,382 to just have something that was non-committal 224 00:12:54,425 --> 00:12:56,210 and not a relationship. 225 00:12:56,253 --> 00:12:58,081 I feel sorry for my married girlfriends, 226 00:12:58,125 --> 00:12:59,561 to be honest with you. 227 00:12:59,604 --> 00:13:01,824 I'm so glad I'm not in that position anymore. 228 00:13:01,868 --> 00:13:03,608 I don't want to brag about it too much, 229 00:13:03,652 --> 00:13:05,959 but, I mean, I have my own place, 230 00:13:06,002 --> 00:13:08,526 I have jobs that I love, I have friends that I love, 231 00:13:08,570 --> 00:13:10,398 John comes by once in a while. 232 00:13:10,441 --> 00:13:13,836 My life is actually pretty fucking great. 233 00:13:15,490 --> 00:13:18,536 - There is a lot of dog shit. There is. 234 00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:21,409 Yeah, I got it all over my jeans, 235 00:13:21,452 --> 00:13:23,280 that's why I had to wash these, 236 00:13:23,324 --> 00:13:25,108 I think they still smell a bit. 237 00:13:26,327 --> 00:13:28,459 You know, I can't overstay my welcome here, 238 00:13:29,939 --> 00:13:34,030 and I know she prefers I don't come around too often, 239 00:13:34,074 --> 00:13:36,119 once a month or so. 240 00:13:36,163 --> 00:13:37,642 I love this weather, look at this. 241 00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:41,168 I mean, this is perfect for tracking, 242 00:13:41,951 --> 00:13:43,997 gonna get up in those mountains. 243 00:13:47,652 --> 00:13:50,264 - He's got a few haunts or trails 244 00:13:50,307 --> 00:13:53,702 that you kind of know he's around frequently. 245 00:13:53,745 --> 00:13:55,617 He only reaches out to me and my wife 246 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:58,794 when he's sick and has a medical question, 247 00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:02,406 so he asks my wife, a doctor, "Oh, I have this." 248 00:14:02,450 --> 00:14:03,930 And so he fishes for sympathy, 249 00:14:03,973 --> 00:14:06,497 like classic alcoholic behavior. 250 00:14:12,373 --> 00:14:14,679 - You know, I always have this with me 251 00:14:14,723 --> 00:14:16,551 ever since I missed the opportunity. 252 00:14:19,293 --> 00:14:21,556 I don't feel it, you know? 253 00:14:23,950 --> 00:14:27,562 I mean, we're in Sasquatch country right here, 254 00:14:28,302 --> 00:14:33,220 but I just don't feel he's around anymore, or she's around. 255 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:37,180 - Sometimes I would sit with my dad 256 00:14:37,224 --> 00:14:38,486 and watch him late at night, 257 00:14:38,529 --> 00:14:39,966 and he would look up at the stars 258 00:14:40,009 --> 00:14:41,663 and he wouldn't say anything. 259 00:14:41,706 --> 00:14:43,404 So I would ask him, "Dad, what are you thinking about?" 260 00:14:43,447 --> 00:14:44,753 Or, "What are you looking at?" 261 00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:48,148 He was really, really quiet at times. 262 00:14:48,191 --> 00:14:52,456 I think he would draw within himself to find the strength 263 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:56,199 that he couldn't get from the outside world. 264 00:14:57,940 --> 00:15:00,247 - It's beautiful right now, I mean, look at this. 265 00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:07,210 But really, we're sort of just hanging here. 266 00:15:08,081 --> 00:15:09,343 Look up there, there it is, 267 00:15:09,386 --> 00:15:12,172 sitting up there, spinning around. 268 00:15:12,215 --> 00:15:13,913 We're spinning around the sun. 269 00:15:15,784 --> 00:15:18,439 We're sort of hanging on by a thread, 270 00:15:18,482 --> 00:15:20,397 it's tenuous to say the least. 271 00:15:24,314 --> 00:15:25,663 I knew it was wrong to come up here. 272 00:15:25,707 --> 00:15:28,188 You know, I just knew it. 273 00:15:28,231 --> 00:15:29,580 I knew it when we set off 274 00:15:29,624 --> 00:15:31,974 that there was something wrong about today. 275 00:15:32,018 --> 00:15:35,021 And look at here, we're in this bloody shithole, 276 00:15:35,064 --> 00:15:36,239 it's a shithole. 277 00:15:36,283 --> 00:15:38,241 And Sasquatch isn't around here. 278 00:15:39,112 --> 00:15:42,550 And well, I mean, I'm all right. 279 00:15:42,593 --> 00:15:44,247 We can sleep here, I can sleep. 280 00:15:57,260 --> 00:15:59,349 Hello. 281 00:15:59,393 --> 00:16:01,264 - Good to see you. - Good to see you too. 282 00:16:01,308 --> 00:16:02,613 - It smells good. 283 00:16:02,657 --> 00:16:03,963 - What you got here? Look at this stuff. 284 00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:05,573 - That's a special treat, my friend. 285 00:16:05,616 --> 00:16:08,228 That's Hickory Mountain barbecue sauce, 286 00:16:08,271 --> 00:16:10,230 which is a Carolina-style sauce. 287 00:16:10,273 --> 00:16:12,493 The name comes from my grandfather's hunting club 288 00:16:12,536 --> 00:16:15,975 in North Carolina, and it's an old family recipe 289 00:16:16,018 --> 00:16:18,064 that I basically stole from my cousin. 290 00:16:19,413 --> 00:16:22,285 - Well, I go hunting every year over in Eastern Washington, 291 00:16:22,329 --> 00:16:23,634 up in the Natchez. 292 00:16:24,679 --> 00:16:26,942 And there's this one draw 293 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:29,597 that I've been hunting probably six, seven years. 294 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,512 Sometimes there elk in there, sometimes there's not. 295 00:16:31,555 --> 00:16:33,340 And this one year I'm up there 296 00:16:33,383 --> 00:16:36,169 and there was not an elk anywhere. 297 00:16:36,212 --> 00:16:39,259 No sign, nothin' like that been in there all year long. 298 00:16:39,302 --> 00:16:40,738 And it's a migratory path, 299 00:16:40,782 --> 00:16:43,306 so I know that they're in there all the time. 300 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:45,308 So I set up my stand and I'm looking, 301 00:16:46,353 --> 00:16:48,529 probably five, 600 yards away. 302 00:16:48,572 --> 00:16:50,531 I thought it was a black bear, 303 00:16:51,401 --> 00:16:54,622 but it wasn't on all fours, it was standing, 304 00:16:54,665 --> 00:16:56,928 so I thought he was scratching a tree or something, 305 00:16:56,972 --> 00:16:59,453 it's getting late in the season for it mark it's territory. 306 00:16:59,496 --> 00:17:02,151 So I'm looking and it stepped out, 307 00:17:02,195 --> 00:17:03,718 and I wouldn't shoot him 308 00:17:03,761 --> 00:17:06,286 because I don't want to kill something that majestic, 309 00:17:06,329 --> 00:17:09,724 but if I'd had a camera, we'd have proof. 310 00:17:09,767 --> 00:17:11,117 - Did you get a chance to smell, 311 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,814 did either of you, did any of you smell? 312 00:17:12,857 --> 00:17:14,642 Were you close enough to smell this thing? 313 00:17:14,685 --> 00:17:17,949 - I was too far, but I know there was lingering scent 314 00:17:17,993 --> 00:17:22,476 when we got down there, there was like kind of rancid, 315 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:24,391 I don't know if you've ever been to a pig farm. 316 00:17:24,434 --> 00:17:26,132 - To be quite honest, 317 00:17:26,175 --> 00:17:29,570 I don't think I've seen a Sasquatch or a primate, I don't, 318 00:17:29,613 --> 00:17:31,093 I think they're made up, 319 00:17:31,137 --> 00:17:32,747 and I think it's bullshit, to be honest with you. 320 00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:34,662 - Here's where I had my sighting. 321 00:17:35,663 --> 00:17:38,535 About 60 miles to the east of there 322 00:17:38,579 --> 00:17:41,103 is where Craig had his sighting. 323 00:17:41,147 --> 00:17:44,976 - When you see what we've seen, you know what you saw. 324 00:17:45,020 --> 00:17:47,109 - These lights end up kind of showing a little red 325 00:17:47,153 --> 00:17:48,676 'cause they're the infrared, 326 00:17:48,719 --> 00:17:52,245 and so when something walks by it day or night, 327 00:17:52,288 --> 00:17:53,333 it'll take a picture. 328 00:17:53,376 --> 00:17:54,725 - If it's in the right location, 329 00:17:56,031 --> 00:17:57,685 shouldn't it be picking up Sasquatch? 330 00:17:57,728 --> 00:18:01,515 I mean, you've been doing this, what three years? 331 00:18:01,558 --> 00:18:03,560 And how many cameras have you had out there? 332 00:18:03,604 --> 00:18:05,519 - He's got what I call the tall man syndrome. 333 00:18:05,562 --> 00:18:07,521 You know, they always talk about the short man syndrome, 334 00:18:07,564 --> 00:18:09,566 well, there's the tall man syndrome 335 00:18:09,610 --> 00:18:11,264 where they think they're better than everybody. 336 00:18:11,307 --> 00:18:13,527 - And I believe that you've caught the cougar on them, 337 00:18:13,570 --> 00:18:15,181 and I don't dispute that, 338 00:18:15,224 --> 00:18:17,618 I don't dispute what you're saying at all. 339 00:18:17,661 --> 00:18:18,880 I'm just saying those things 340 00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:20,273 have to be in the right location. 341 00:18:20,316 --> 00:18:22,710 - So your location is gonna be the right spot, 342 00:18:22,753 --> 00:18:24,190 is what you're saying? 343 00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:28,019 We're articulate, intelligent, educated people, 344 00:18:28,063 --> 00:18:30,500 even if we are way up here in the Northwest. 345 00:18:30,544 --> 00:18:32,154 - That is kind of interesting 346 00:18:32,198 --> 00:18:34,200 he's from England, he's down out here looking for Sasquatch, 347 00:18:34,243 --> 00:18:35,897 so, I mean, he is a believer. - He's telling us. 348 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:39,205 You know, I grew up here, this is where I'm from. 349 00:18:39,248 --> 00:18:41,990 My whole family roots are from here in Washington, 350 00:18:42,033 --> 00:18:47,169 and some guy coming from across the pond, 351 00:18:47,213 --> 00:18:48,953 what do they call them over there, pikers? 352 00:18:48,997 --> 00:18:51,739 - I am intrigued by people. 353 00:18:51,782 --> 00:18:53,741 I like experiencing different people, 354 00:18:53,784 --> 00:18:56,613 and being a part of something that is different 355 00:18:56,657 --> 00:19:00,095 and out of my realm is what keeps life exciting. 356 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,315 And I'm game for anything, all the time. 357 00:19:02,358 --> 00:19:05,100 - But the thing that's attractive about you 358 00:19:05,144 --> 00:19:07,146 is that you have the ability to talk 359 00:19:07,189 --> 00:19:10,236 and you have a confidence and you have a self worth 360 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:13,108 that comes from inside you that can be seen. 361 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:16,590 - She's strong, strong-willed, opinionated, 362 00:19:17,504 --> 00:19:18,766 got her own life. 363 00:19:18,809 --> 00:19:20,246 I think she likes to be by herself, 364 00:19:20,289 --> 00:19:25,251 and then when she wants to company of a man or me, 365 00:19:25,294 --> 00:19:29,951 or even Ben, then she'll ask for that company. 366 00:19:29,994 --> 00:19:32,214 I'm not gonna hold that against her. 367 00:19:32,258 --> 00:19:34,869 - And we love you girls. 368 00:19:34,912 --> 00:19:36,262 - You love us until some- 369 00:19:36,305 --> 00:19:38,960 - I love girls, I love girls like nothing else. 370 00:19:39,003 --> 00:19:41,919 I'll have girls, they're like a hunger. 371 00:19:41,963 --> 00:19:46,359 - Girls for you are like 372 00:19:46,402 --> 00:19:48,535 cigarettes or alcohol. - No, I hunger for girls. 373 00:19:48,578 --> 00:19:49,884 - Like there's an addiction, 374 00:19:49,927 --> 00:19:51,146 and it's not even sexual addiction, 375 00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:52,495 you just love- - Not even that. 376 00:19:52,539 --> 00:19:53,540 It's way beyond that. 377 00:19:53,583 --> 00:19:54,889 It's way beyond that. 378 00:19:54,932 --> 00:19:56,325 - Yeah, you love- - It's a craving. 379 00:19:56,369 --> 00:19:57,631 - I know. 380 00:19:57,674 --> 00:19:59,633 - Totally craving. - You love women. 381 00:19:59,676 --> 00:20:01,200 - I totally crave women. 382 00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:05,247 - You know, he loves ladies. 383 00:20:05,291 --> 00:20:09,686 And we've always grown up without very much of a filter, 384 00:20:09,730 --> 00:20:11,166 but then it's like, 385 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:12,602 "Dad, okay, come on, you don't need to tell us 386 00:20:12,646 --> 00:20:14,256 what you think about that girl's hair 387 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:15,344 or the shape of her body, 388 00:20:15,388 --> 00:20:16,476 you don't need to tell me that, 389 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:17,564 I'm your daughter." 390 00:20:17,607 --> 00:20:19,000 - It's purely coincidence 391 00:20:19,043 --> 00:20:22,656 that most of my staff are attractive females. 392 00:20:22,699 --> 00:20:25,354 I mean, I don't really know how it worked out like that, 393 00:20:25,398 --> 00:20:26,660 but it did. 394 00:20:34,537 --> 00:20:38,193 - If he's just in your face 24/7, 395 00:20:38,237 --> 00:20:41,283 you wanna ring his little fucking neck. 396 00:20:41,327 --> 00:20:44,330 But yeah, he's a really nice guy though on top of it. 397 00:20:44,373 --> 00:20:47,289 So he has that balance. 398 00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:54,731 - You can tell when you're around some of these women 399 00:20:54,775 --> 00:20:57,299 that they might like me, 400 00:20:57,343 --> 00:21:01,260 and they like me as a friend and for conversation. 401 00:21:01,303 --> 00:21:04,306 But it comes down to a real relationship, 402 00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:08,658 I think that it's just passed me by. 403 00:21:15,622 --> 00:21:18,755 Women would look at me differently when I was a young man. 404 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:20,148 Sometimes I'll come into my car 405 00:21:20,191 --> 00:21:21,715 and there'll be a little note on my car 406 00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:25,371 of somebody that's maybe an admirer somehow, 407 00:21:25,414 --> 00:21:29,636 and those things don't really quite happen anymore. 408 00:21:31,246 --> 00:21:34,336 The truth of the matter is they look at me as an old man. 409 00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:37,948 And I guess I'm still looking for those women 410 00:21:37,992 --> 00:21:40,908 that are really turned on by the old guy, 411 00:21:40,951 --> 00:21:43,650 but I haven't found much of that. 412 00:21:45,173 --> 00:21:46,740 You know, I used to have a big house, 413 00:21:46,783 --> 00:21:49,569 I used to have more money than I have now. 414 00:21:49,612 --> 00:21:52,311 You know of course, getting divorced, took care of all that. 415 00:21:52,354 --> 00:21:56,271 I don't own a home, I rent this pad from my friends, 416 00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:58,317 but I have everything that I need here. 417 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:02,930 I could pick up and move in one day, I could be gone. 418 00:22:02,973 --> 00:22:06,281 And there's something gratifying about that. 419 00:22:23,864 --> 00:22:25,344 - There's your cyclist, Ben. 420 00:22:26,606 --> 00:22:28,521 There's your guy following us. - What did I tell you? 421 00:22:28,564 --> 00:22:32,307 I told you somebody is following us, son of bitches. 422 00:22:32,351 --> 00:22:34,265 - I think this is prime location. 423 00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:42,143 - What, you need a walking stick or something? 424 00:22:42,186 --> 00:22:44,363 - Hey, don't go too far, wait a minute. 425 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:47,801 Let me see one of them cameras. 426 00:22:47,844 --> 00:22:49,803 - I don't think the primate's gonna climb down that bank, 427 00:22:49,846 --> 00:22:51,021 and you know what? 428 00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:52,545 It's too close to this road. 429 00:22:52,588 --> 00:22:54,634 - Primates like elk, they can go anywhere they want. 430 00:22:54,677 --> 00:22:56,070 - This road is well used. 431 00:22:56,113 --> 00:22:57,419 Look at it, it's well used. - Well used? 432 00:22:57,463 --> 00:22:58,986 We've been on it for two and a half hours. 433 00:22:59,029 --> 00:23:00,422 Have you seen one car or one person? 434 00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:02,381 - Well, it's just the time of day we're here. 435 00:23:03,425 --> 00:23:06,036 It's not the right, this isn't right. 436 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,995 What are you doing standing up there? 437 00:23:17,526 --> 00:23:20,834 I mean, we already discussed all this, we talked about it. 438 00:23:20,877 --> 00:23:22,357 And here they are, 439 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,707 I could tell straight away they didn't want to hike. 440 00:23:24,751 --> 00:23:26,317 They want to quickly put a camera up 441 00:23:26,361 --> 00:23:29,408 get back in the car and go back and have a beer. 442 00:23:29,451 --> 00:23:31,497 - I just thought that was a prime location there. 443 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:32,933 It's got everything, 444 00:23:32,976 --> 00:23:35,283 it's got food, water, cover on both sides. 445 00:23:35,326 --> 00:23:37,241 You know, the guy has no respect, 446 00:23:37,285 --> 00:23:38,982 he's been out of touch with society, 447 00:23:39,026 --> 00:23:41,811 you know, he lives under bridges lives, 448 00:23:41,855 --> 00:23:44,988 who knows where he pees, probably in that puddle behind us. 449 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:50,254 - What'd you think of John Green? 450 00:23:50,298 --> 00:23:52,822 - Hard worker, John's a real hard worker. 451 00:23:54,258 --> 00:23:56,609 Good, good personality, good human being. 452 00:23:56,652 --> 00:23:59,046 He works harder than these kids we get these days, 453 00:23:59,089 --> 00:24:01,091 he's old school ethics, 454 00:24:01,135 --> 00:24:03,006 starts a task, finishes a task. 455 00:24:03,050 --> 00:24:04,399 If John was available, 456 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:07,097 I'd work in five days a week, full-time. 457 00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:10,536 - I don't mind, I mean, it's a means to an end, isn't it? 458 00:24:10,579 --> 00:24:14,061 I mean, I'd rather be tracking that primate 459 00:24:14,104 --> 00:24:17,586 but I need money just to live on. 460 00:24:18,544 --> 00:24:23,549 - Good heart to him, good mindset for an Englishman. 461 00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:29,163 - Well, I'd started a clothing company in England 462 00:24:29,206 --> 00:24:31,295 in the early 1970s. 463 00:24:31,339 --> 00:24:35,212 And with that success, I moved out, 464 00:24:35,256 --> 00:24:36,953 or came out to Los Angeles. 465 00:24:38,433 --> 00:24:40,130 The clothing business in Los Angeles 466 00:24:40,174 --> 00:24:43,525 was about licensing T-shirts, it was sort of pop art, 467 00:24:43,569 --> 00:24:48,443 sort of, I started with, "Leave it to Beaver," 468 00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:53,100 "Mr. Ed," "I Love Lucy," I went on to "Gumby" and "Pokey," 469 00:24:53,143 --> 00:24:55,537 and we were shipping out about $1 million a week 470 00:24:55,581 --> 00:24:57,670 in T-shirts, which are an awful lot of T-shirts. 471 00:24:58,627 --> 00:25:02,979 The business was consuming me, I worked weekends, 472 00:25:03,023 --> 00:25:05,591 and I mentally collapsed 473 00:25:05,634 --> 00:25:09,551 So the company was sold and the guy that took it on 474 00:25:09,595 --> 00:25:11,945 he offered me a great job, but he was a snake, 475 00:25:11,988 --> 00:25:17,211 and I'd had enough. 476 00:25:41,714 --> 00:25:44,499 - They've got lithium batteries that are designed 477 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:47,546 to keep this thing functional for up to a year. 478 00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:50,592 So first and foremost- - Press the button! 479 00:25:50,636 --> 00:25:54,161 - Yes, so if the batteries are functioning properly 480 00:25:54,204 --> 00:25:56,163 you've got to get a green light. 481 00:25:56,206 --> 00:25:58,687 John is going to be the one to take the cameras out, 482 00:25:58,731 --> 00:26:00,950 they're going to be delivered deep into the forest 483 00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:02,517 into the mountains around here, 484 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,607 to these designated hotspots that we've identified. 485 00:26:05,651 --> 00:26:08,436 Left all winter long, and then in the spring 486 00:26:08,479 --> 00:26:11,178 we're gonna go back and retrieve them all. 487 00:26:12,048 --> 00:26:16,531 I am unable to participate due to my surgeries 488 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,185 for the past few years, 489 00:26:18,228 --> 00:26:20,535 I'm probably a year away from being able to be normal again. 490 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,798 - And I'll write notes and I'll take pictures, 491 00:26:22,842 --> 00:26:25,627 and you just make sure that Sara is up on all of this too. 492 00:26:25,671 --> 00:26:28,369 - Oh, I'm hopeful that she- - If she's up on this, 493 00:26:28,412 --> 00:26:30,153 then we'll get both sides of the equation. 494 00:26:30,197 --> 00:26:31,894 - Between the two of you guys- - We'll get it done. 495 00:26:38,901 --> 00:26:43,384 I don't know if that dog won't scare off the primate. 496 00:26:43,427 --> 00:26:44,603 The primate will smell it, 497 00:26:46,213 --> 00:26:49,085 and I got to deal with the dog as well as everything else. 498 00:26:50,913 --> 00:26:52,219 I mean- - I'll hold the dog. 499 00:26:52,262 --> 00:26:53,394 - I thought you were just here 500 00:26:53,437 --> 00:26:55,526 to help carry everything. 501 00:26:55,570 --> 00:26:58,486 - I am here to help, but I don't have anywhere to put my dog 502 00:26:58,529 --> 00:27:00,923 and I'll take care of her. - All right! 503 00:27:13,066 --> 00:27:14,502 - Okay, now remember, 504 00:27:14,545 --> 00:27:16,199 we can't fail to find the cameras in the spring. 505 00:27:16,243 --> 00:27:18,201 - We'll put them here. - Okay! 506 00:27:18,245 --> 00:27:20,639 - We'll get it all, five days now, okay? 507 00:27:20,682 --> 00:27:22,205 I'll see you in five days back here. 508 00:27:22,249 --> 00:27:23,685 - I'll be here, yes, sir. - All right! 509 00:27:44,967 --> 00:27:49,624 'Cause I want to set the camera somewhere in that tree line 510 00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:53,889 over there, so we can capture this whole open space 511 00:27:53,933 --> 00:27:56,109 all the way to the lower part here. 512 00:28:00,069 --> 00:28:01,462 You know what? 513 00:28:01,505 --> 00:28:04,683 I think we need to stay close to this tree. 514 00:28:06,162 --> 00:28:11,124 This tree, first off, is easy to get on for me. 515 00:28:13,692 --> 00:28:16,346 I know it may look a little clumsy but. 516 00:28:23,136 --> 00:28:24,311 - You need help? - You see that? 517 00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:28,141 - Yeah. - That's all the way down. 518 00:28:28,184 --> 00:28:29,359 - All the way down. 519 00:28:29,403 --> 00:28:31,753 - All the way down that slide area. 520 00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:35,757 It's taped, you ought to see that from the trail. 521 00:28:35,801 --> 00:28:38,368 We've got one camera set and I'm delighted, 522 00:28:38,412 --> 00:28:40,327 and then I need to set camp 523 00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:42,590 because I don't want to be doing that in the dark. 524 00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:45,332 So, how's that dog of yours doing? Huh? 525 00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:46,333 - She's holding up! 526 00:28:47,638 --> 00:28:50,076 Just a little cold. - Well, I'm impressed! 527 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:55,516 - She looks cold, that's the only thing I'm worried about is her feet. - I wouldn't worry about that. 528 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:58,127 Animals act like human beings. 529 00:29:09,878 --> 00:29:11,793 - It's okay, dog. - Sara, what are you doing? 530 00:29:11,837 --> 00:29:13,186 - I'm trying to get better gloves on 531 00:29:13,229 --> 00:29:14,448 'cause I'm freezing. 532 00:29:15,841 --> 00:29:18,104 - You know how many years I've had this old tent? 533 00:29:18,147 --> 00:29:19,192 - How many? 534 00:29:19,235 --> 00:29:21,063 - I don't know, I've lost track. 535 00:29:21,107 --> 00:29:23,805 We should have brought some. - This is all we're eating? 536 00:29:23,849 --> 00:29:24,719 Is Clif bars? 537 00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:28,070 - Yeah, it's a Clif bar. 538 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:31,334 So we can maybe put another packet in there, 539 00:29:31,378 --> 00:29:33,075 how hungry are you? - I'm pretty hungry. 540 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:34,816 - I usually have one packet. 541 00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:36,818 Tell me that's the best you've had camping? 542 00:29:36,862 --> 00:29:37,993 - Mm-hmm! 543 00:29:38,037 --> 00:29:39,342 - Good, isn't it? - Sweet. 544 00:29:39,386 --> 00:29:41,780 - See, I told you. - Cold, but sweet. 545 00:29:41,823 --> 00:29:44,217 - Yeah, it's all right, it'll warm once it gets inside. 546 00:29:45,522 --> 00:29:47,176 Here you go, you have that. 547 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:51,790 Don't give any to the dog, I just gotta make a little trip. 548 00:29:54,357 --> 00:29:56,838 All right, I'll be back in a few minutes. 549 00:30:11,157 --> 00:30:12,506 Wait a minute. 550 00:30:13,855 --> 00:30:15,857 We've got four more days up here, 551 00:30:17,206 --> 00:30:18,599 four more days, all right? 552 00:30:18,642 --> 00:30:21,080 This is the first day, and you're heading back? 553 00:30:21,123 --> 00:30:22,516 Well, how are you going to get home? 554 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:23,865 - I'll call Ben, he could pick me up. 555 00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:24,779 - Ben? 556 00:30:25,867 --> 00:30:27,564 Have you got any more stuff in there 557 00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:29,653 you should leave here with me? 558 00:30:29,697 --> 00:30:31,133 Have you left me all my stuff? 559 00:30:31,177 --> 00:30:32,395 - Yes, I didn't take any of your stuff. 560 00:30:32,439 --> 00:30:33,614 - All right, okay. - Good luck. 561 00:30:33,657 --> 00:30:35,137 - All right. - I'm sorry. 562 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,843 - That's why I'm single, I can see that. 563 00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:49,760 I mean, no woman in their right mind 564 00:30:49,804 --> 00:30:51,850 would want to live like I live, 565 00:30:53,155 --> 00:30:57,377 and I'm gonna continue on, and it's just the way it is. 566 00:31:04,688 --> 00:31:07,430 So, I've come down about 2,000 feet, 567 00:31:08,954 --> 00:31:10,869 it was impossible up there for me, 568 00:31:10,912 --> 00:31:13,697 I mean, it was getting dangerous, it was too cold, 569 00:31:13,741 --> 00:31:15,395 and I just didn't think the primate 570 00:31:15,438 --> 00:31:17,484 would be up in those altitudes, 571 00:31:17,527 --> 00:31:20,008 especially this time of the year. 572 00:31:20,052 --> 00:31:22,315 I'm convinced it's probably closer down here to the river, 573 00:31:22,358 --> 00:31:23,577 to a source of water. 574 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:27,494 You don't have any of that trail mix do you? 575 00:31:27,537 --> 00:31:29,017 - What's that? - That trail mix. 576 00:31:29,061 --> 00:31:31,933 You know, you carry that trail mix stuff with you, 577 00:31:31,977 --> 00:31:35,110 do you have, do you have any leftover in your pockets? 578 00:31:35,154 --> 00:31:38,244 There, I've got that set. 579 00:31:41,247 --> 00:31:42,813 - I really believe we're on the cusp 580 00:31:42,857 --> 00:31:46,382 of a monumental historic discovery. 581 00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:48,428 Our science is gonna pay off, 582 00:31:48,471 --> 00:31:49,777 and we're gonna once and for all 583 00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:52,258 prove the existence of these primates. 584 00:31:58,003 --> 00:32:00,005 The turbines that were placed at Snoqualmie Falls 585 00:32:00,048 --> 00:32:03,530 back in the early 1900s, needed to be replaced 586 00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:05,880 finally, after 100 years. 587 00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:07,838 Some of the fellows that worked on the falls 588 00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:09,666 during this construction project, 589 00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:11,538 they also worked out at my gym, 590 00:32:11,581 --> 00:32:12,931 Mount Sinai Sports and Fitness. 591 00:32:12,974 --> 00:32:14,628 I can tell you from talking to them 592 00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:18,414 they had a situation where early on in the project, 593 00:32:18,458 --> 00:32:21,026 they were rappelling down inside of the shaft. 594 00:32:21,069 --> 00:32:24,246 And you're talking about a 300-foot vertical shaft 595 00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:25,900 in the darkness, 596 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:29,425 and something was throwing rocks at them. 597 00:32:29,469 --> 00:32:31,471 I wouldn't be surprised in any sense 598 00:32:31,514 --> 00:32:35,214 to find that the Sasquatch, just like humans, 599 00:32:35,257 --> 00:32:37,042 are drawn to this place. 600 00:32:37,085 --> 00:32:38,913 It's just really all inspiring. 601 00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:42,351 - I do think now after all these years 602 00:32:42,395 --> 00:32:44,310 that I had a spiritual encounter, 603 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:49,445 and I'm going to have another one, I can feel it. 604 00:32:49,489 --> 00:32:51,534 I can actually feel it more now 605 00:32:51,578 --> 00:32:54,015 that I'm going to find the answers 606 00:32:54,059 --> 00:32:58,977 in another perhaps appearance or another sign. 607 00:33:00,543 --> 00:33:03,938 So I have to, I'm compelled to keep going. 608 00:33:20,085 --> 00:33:21,956 - Well, the way you described it to me, 609 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,392 that is, he was scrawny. 610 00:33:23,436 --> 00:33:27,962 He was a scrawny Sasquatch, not like your classic 611 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:29,485 big hulking guy. - No, no big hulking, no, no. 612 00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:32,793 - Yeah, yeah, so I did him on the scrawny, lanky side 613 00:33:32,836 --> 00:33:38,016 and I kinda think I tried to make him 614 00:33:38,668 --> 00:33:40,235 kind of tree stumpish. 615 00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:42,977 'Cause I'm thinking that's maybe what you actually saw 616 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,457 in the woods was just a tree stump. 617 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,024 - No, no, no, no 618 00:33:46,067 --> 00:33:47,112 No, I disagree. 619 00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:50,680 No, this was 10, 12 years ago. 620 00:33:50,724 --> 00:33:52,639 No, it wasn't a tree stump at all 621 00:33:52,682 --> 00:33:56,643 because I was there, you know, and it was moving. 622 00:33:56,686 --> 00:33:59,907 And at one point I think it was actually gonna try 623 00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:02,301 and say something 'cause it opened its mouth. 624 00:34:02,344 --> 00:34:03,954 Like it was gonna say something, 625 00:34:03,998 --> 00:34:05,652 and then it took off behind one of these huge rocks. 626 00:34:05,695 --> 00:34:07,393 You know, the big ones that are up there 627 00:34:07,436 --> 00:34:09,308 on that trail. - Mm-hmm! 628 00:34:09,351 --> 00:34:11,223 - A stump? 629 00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:12,485 No- - You know what you saw? 630 00:34:12,528 --> 00:34:14,617 - I know what I saw, yeah. 631 00:34:14,661 --> 00:34:19,013 And for her to say to me, you possibly saw a stump 632 00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:21,320 that's why I painted this stick insect. 633 00:34:21,363 --> 00:34:24,366 Yeah, it was a stick insect really with hair on it. 634 00:34:25,585 --> 00:34:27,108 - You know, you have this experience, 635 00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:30,546 and then you don't know what it's about, 636 00:34:30,590 --> 00:34:33,375 and you want to try to prove what you saw, 637 00:34:33,419 --> 00:34:35,029 and you want to try to understand it, 638 00:34:35,073 --> 00:34:38,989 and you want to try to explain it and you can't. 639 00:34:39,033 --> 00:34:40,426 You know, there's a lot of people out there 640 00:34:40,469 --> 00:34:42,732 that are having experiences like us. 641 00:34:42,776 --> 00:34:44,125 We're gonna try to do some research 642 00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:46,084 and see if we can find some commonality 643 00:34:46,127 --> 00:34:49,348 between these countless other sightings 644 00:34:49,391 --> 00:34:50,305 that have been reported. 645 00:34:51,785 --> 00:34:54,004 - I showed my mom the picture and she called my dad 646 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:58,052 and she said, "Your son just took a picture 647 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:00,185 "of something in the water." - Yeah, but when she called me 648 00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:01,882 I was busy at work and I said, 649 00:35:01,925 --> 00:35:03,840 "Babe, I ain't got time, I'm trying to get done with work 650 00:35:03,884 --> 00:35:05,233 "and come home." 651 00:35:05,277 --> 00:35:07,453 And she was excited saying that he took something, 652 00:35:07,496 --> 00:35:09,019 a picture of something in the river. 653 00:35:09,063 --> 00:35:10,717 I told her it was just a river otter, 654 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,284 don't worry about it. 655 00:35:12,327 --> 00:35:14,155 She said, "No, it was bigger than a river otter." 656 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:15,678 And I said, "Okay, I'll be home in 20 minutes. 657 00:35:15,722 --> 00:35:17,245 "Don't worry about it." 658 00:35:17,289 --> 00:35:19,291 Five minutes later, I get this picture on my phone, 659 00:35:19,334 --> 00:35:21,162 so I quit work and came home. 660 00:35:21,206 --> 00:35:24,426 I just don't know what it is. - Give me a look! 661 00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:28,909 - I mean, I try to get in touch 662 00:35:28,952 --> 00:35:30,650 with somebody that knows more than me, 663 00:35:30,693 --> 00:35:32,260 I'm just a backward school boy. 664 00:35:33,609 --> 00:35:35,916 So you took a clear picture of something, but I don't know, 665 00:35:35,959 --> 00:35:38,092 I don't want to say it is or it is not. 666 00:35:40,181 --> 00:35:41,748 - Its head was moving and looking at me, 667 00:35:41,791 --> 00:35:44,229 it's arms was just massive. 668 00:35:44,272 --> 00:35:47,797 And the way that it squatted as if it had known to do that 669 00:35:47,841 --> 00:35:50,757 so many different times to protect itself 670 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,760 or to keep a visual on me. 671 00:35:53,803 --> 00:35:56,066 I've just seen something 672 00:35:56,110 --> 00:35:58,591 that I thought you only saw in the movies. 673 00:35:58,634 --> 00:36:00,506 We kept hearing this and I knew it wasn't an elk, 674 00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:03,204 I knew it wasn't a bear, I knew it wasn't a chipmunk. 675 00:36:03,248 --> 00:36:05,554 I knew this was something, was something big, 676 00:36:05,598 --> 00:36:08,905 big enough to hold a great big log and hit a tree with it. 677 00:36:08,949 --> 00:36:10,516 But I don't call it Sasquatch 678 00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:13,258 because I didn't see a Sasquatch, I didn't see a Bigfoot. 679 00:36:13,301 --> 00:36:15,521 What I call it is the Olympic Tree Knocker. 680 00:36:15,564 --> 00:36:17,523 Because I was on the Olympic Peninsula 681 00:36:17,566 --> 00:36:19,960 and the thing was knocking against every tree it could, 682 00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:22,310 this Olympic tree knocker was something 683 00:36:22,354 --> 00:36:25,661 that I have never encountered in a forest before. 684 00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:28,577 - Do you think they form communities? 685 00:36:28,621 --> 00:36:30,057 - I believe so. 686 00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:31,537 - Do you think there's a mother and a father, 687 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:32,712 a child in that sort of community? 688 00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:34,322 - Absolutely. - Family units. 689 00:36:34,366 --> 00:36:39,371 - And we've yet to come across bones of them. 690 00:36:39,414 --> 00:36:41,982 - No, it's never been a discovery of bones or carcasses. 691 00:36:42,025 --> 00:36:45,159 - So they have a superior way of- 692 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:47,335 - Dealing with all that. 693 00:36:47,379 --> 00:36:48,641 - Dealing with death. 694 00:36:48,684 --> 00:36:50,686 I think they were created by God, 695 00:36:52,471 --> 00:36:54,734 they were one of God's creatures- 696 00:36:54,777 --> 00:36:56,170 - Just like all the other creatures? 697 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:57,911 - Just like all the other creatures, 698 00:36:57,954 --> 00:37:02,872 but with purity and simplicity and living off the land. 699 00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:29,856 - It just seems to be a hodgepodge 700 00:37:29,899 --> 00:37:32,598 of different people's opinions, 701 00:37:32,641 --> 00:37:34,252 and I think most of it is made up. 702 00:37:34,295 --> 00:37:36,297 They want to be part of the conversation 703 00:37:36,341 --> 00:37:39,126 so they say, "Oh, I've seen the primate." 704 00:37:39,169 --> 00:37:42,303 - But you could see the trees shaking. 705 00:37:42,347 --> 00:37:45,219 Whack, whack, whack! 706 00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:48,178 And then all of a sudden we just hear something book it 707 00:37:48,222 --> 00:37:51,573 through the trees running around to behind us. 708 00:37:51,617 --> 00:37:53,314 I couldn't believe it. 709 00:37:53,358 --> 00:37:55,925 - Exploring and searching for answers, 710 00:37:55,969 --> 00:37:57,536 yeah, I think can be healing. 711 00:37:57,579 --> 00:37:59,755 It's just about that balance of time. 712 00:37:59,799 --> 00:38:03,716 Are they staying grounded in the tangible reality 713 00:38:03,759 --> 00:38:06,153 That is us here, this gym, 714 00:38:06,196 --> 00:38:08,547 these people, this community or family. 715 00:38:12,594 --> 00:38:14,292 - Mount Sinai Sports and Fitness. 716 00:38:17,295 --> 00:38:18,731 Yes, we do indeed. 717 00:38:18,774 --> 00:38:20,950 - You know, he does run this business well, 718 00:38:20,994 --> 00:38:22,909 I think me being here definitely helps that. 719 00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:24,911 Though sometimes I wish he would kinda dial back 720 00:38:24,954 --> 00:38:26,304 and kinda come be a little bit more part 721 00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:28,741 of the family with the grandkids. 722 00:38:28,784 --> 00:38:30,133 He does do that though, 723 00:38:30,177 --> 00:38:32,005 I think he tries to find a healthy balance, 724 00:38:32,048 --> 00:38:33,354 but he goes through seasons 725 00:38:33,398 --> 00:38:35,617 where he gets a little bit obsessive. 726 00:38:37,271 --> 00:38:39,621 - We just can barely contain our excitement 727 00:38:39,665 --> 00:38:44,887 over what we might find when we look at all the tapes. 728 00:39:01,426 --> 00:39:04,037 - I'm pretty certain it's right up there, the first camera. 729 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,430 But you know, these avalanches, 730 00:39:05,473 --> 00:39:07,780 they just rip everything down. 731 00:39:07,823 --> 00:39:09,695 So it can be a little confusing. 732 00:39:11,523 --> 00:39:12,959 Ow, fuck! 733 00:39:13,002 --> 00:39:15,353 That's what I want, just throw me those, 734 00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:18,660 throw me those gloves, I'm sorry, just broken my nails. 735 00:39:20,923 --> 00:39:22,795 I had the camera right up there, 736 00:39:22,838 --> 00:39:25,450 the camera and the buntings gone. 737 00:39:25,493 --> 00:39:27,321 Nobody would've come up here. 738 00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:29,976 I mean, who would climb up here in the wilderness, 739 00:39:30,019 --> 00:39:32,282 find this tree and take the camera off it. 740 00:39:32,326 --> 00:39:35,329 The primate saw the red bunting came over, 741 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:37,200 saw the camera's strapped up there 742 00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:39,333 and just reached up and got it. 743 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,554 Just like I stood up in here, put it up there. 744 00:39:42,597 --> 00:39:45,992 Then what we need to do is we need to find the other cameras 745 00:39:46,035 --> 00:39:49,952 and see if they panned this area. 746 00:39:49,996 --> 00:39:52,433 Here's the second tree! - There's the bunting. 747 00:39:53,434 --> 00:39:54,392 Let me get up there. 748 00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,744 - The other one's, I know it's this way. 749 00:40:04,314 --> 00:40:08,362 I want to show you something over here. 750 00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:14,673 Look at this, how do you think this happened, huh? 751 00:40:14,716 --> 00:40:18,851 This is a perfect example of primates activity. 752 00:40:20,374 --> 00:40:25,161 That stripped bark off that tree there, they rip it off. 753 00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:30,471 I've found some hair stuck on this broken piece here. 754 00:40:32,952 --> 00:40:34,214 I mean, it could be anything, 755 00:40:34,257 --> 00:40:36,825 but why would a piece of hair be on here? 756 00:40:37,957 --> 00:40:39,654 - May I see it, John. - This? 757 00:40:39,698 --> 00:40:41,439 Well, it's hard to see but. 758 00:40:42,396 --> 00:40:44,093 - Well, hold it up for me. 759 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,668 - Well, it's not a bear. 760 00:40:53,712 --> 00:40:55,278 - It's soft. - Mm-hmm! 761 00:40:55,322 --> 00:40:57,106 - It's almost like a woman's hair. 762 00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:06,115 Look at that big guy. 763 00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:07,987 - Look at him, which your cameras say, is this four? 764 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:10,424 - This is four. - We've got the bears now. 765 00:41:17,866 --> 00:41:20,565 We unfortunately still don't have- 766 00:41:20,608 --> 00:41:21,870 - It's crap, really, isn't it? 767 00:41:21,914 --> 00:41:23,481 - It contains- - It's absolute crap, 768 00:41:23,524 --> 00:41:25,613 There's nothing we can show to anybody 769 00:41:25,657 --> 00:41:27,310 that proves our point. 770 00:41:27,354 --> 00:41:30,488 - When we analyzed the cameras that were placed at really 771 00:41:30,531 --> 00:41:33,012 high elevations, where there's a lot of snow 772 00:41:33,055 --> 00:41:34,448 the weather's really bad. 773 00:41:35,493 --> 00:41:38,844 There was virtually no sign of any life. 774 00:41:38,887 --> 00:41:42,500 I mean, there are instances where the wind would kick up 775 00:41:42,543 --> 00:41:45,372 some snow would cause a camera to trigger 776 00:41:45,415 --> 00:41:47,287 but really absolutely nothing at all, 777 00:41:47,330 --> 00:41:49,463 and that was a bit surprising to me. 778 00:41:49,507 --> 00:41:52,858 You know, as opposed to the lower-level cameras, 779 00:41:52,901 --> 00:41:54,468 I must say it was very interesting, 780 00:41:54,512 --> 00:41:57,863 the number of animals that we saw and the wildlife 781 00:41:57,906 --> 00:42:00,430 that exists right in this community, 782 00:42:00,474 --> 00:42:02,476 right up to the edge of civilization. 783 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,566 The only tangible piece of evidence that we found 784 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:06,872 was a piece of fur. 785 00:42:15,924 --> 00:42:16,882 - What's up? 786 00:42:16,925 --> 00:42:18,013 - Thanks for- 787 00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:22,061 - Is there something you want me to try to identify, or? 788 00:42:22,104 --> 00:42:23,366 - Somebody dropped it by today, 789 00:42:23,410 --> 00:42:25,978 it's actually a bushy-tailed wood rat. 790 00:42:26,021 --> 00:42:27,588 - It's a really interesting character, 791 00:42:27,632 --> 00:42:32,201 it differs from a Norwegian rat or a Norway rat, 792 00:42:32,245 --> 00:42:36,510 in that as its name implies, it has a bushy hairy tail. 793 00:42:39,818 --> 00:42:40,688 Interesting. 794 00:42:42,255 --> 00:42:45,563 Okay, well, let's just look at it in a microscope here. 795 00:42:49,741 --> 00:42:50,959 You wanna look? 796 00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:57,879 - Well, to me, it looks just like- 797 00:42:59,098 --> 00:43:01,535 - Here, take a smell. 798 00:43:01,579 --> 00:43:04,886 - Interesting the way the fibers are stranded. 799 00:43:07,062 --> 00:43:08,586 - That's diagnostic. 800 00:43:09,674 --> 00:43:12,894 Let him take a sniff, what do you smell? 801 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,244 - What is that smell? 802 00:43:17,856 --> 00:43:18,900 I dunno. 803 00:43:22,817 --> 00:43:25,690 - Equine, horse hair. 804 00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:27,169 - No! - No, he's wrong. 805 00:43:30,085 --> 00:43:32,305 - I can say categorically it's horse hair. 806 00:43:33,262 --> 00:43:34,568 - Well, I can say you're wrong. 807 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:36,570 - They were starting from the standpoint 808 00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:39,094 that they knew what it was, and they wanted to prove it, 809 00:43:39,138 --> 00:43:41,009 and that's not the way science works. 810 00:43:41,053 --> 00:43:45,231 Science works by assembling data, and then analyzing it, 811 00:43:45,274 --> 00:43:47,102 and then drawing conclusions from it. 812 00:43:48,190 --> 00:43:49,539 - Why do you feel, John? 813 00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:50,932 I mean, why are you really doing this? 814 00:43:50,976 --> 00:43:52,630 What is it about this that... 815 00:43:54,109 --> 00:43:55,894 I mean, why, are you still? 816 00:43:55,937 --> 00:43:57,330 I've been following you a long time 817 00:43:57,373 --> 00:44:00,942 and I still don't even fully understand. 818 00:44:02,291 --> 00:44:03,902 - Well, I've seen it. 819 00:44:03,945 --> 00:44:08,428 I've been 20 feet from it, I've smelled it, the creature. 820 00:44:08,471 --> 00:44:10,778 I've looked into the creature's eyes, 821 00:44:11,692 --> 00:44:15,565 I think there are times when the creature is tracking me 822 00:44:15,609 --> 00:44:17,959 and it's no more than 20 or 30 feet away. 823 00:44:18,003 --> 00:44:21,833 Just listening, it could be listening to me right now. 824 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,052 - And you can't see, you know, 825 00:44:24,096 --> 00:44:25,445 what you just said there, 826 00:44:25,488 --> 00:44:27,229 someone like your daughter thinking that 827 00:44:27,273 --> 00:44:30,145 that's a mentally ill person talking right there. 828 00:44:30,189 --> 00:44:31,973 That's someone who's? 829 00:44:34,323 --> 00:44:35,673 - I can see that she can, 830 00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:38,937 I'm not normal in the sense 831 00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:40,721 that normal people don't do this, 832 00:44:40,765 --> 00:44:43,028 but there's a lot of people that have pursuits. 833 00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,116 Let me put it this way, 834 00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,118 if I was to discover and find, 835 00:44:46,161 --> 00:44:49,338 and photograph and document this primate, 836 00:44:49,382 --> 00:44:51,993 would she then think, or would others think 837 00:44:52,037 --> 00:44:55,562 that I was still mentally deranged 838 00:44:55,605 --> 00:44:57,695 chasing this thing in the mountains? 839 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,046 There's something behind that stump. 840 00:45:14,146 --> 00:45:15,756 - Sounds like squirrel to me. 841 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,757 - That's not a squirrel. 842 00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:22,502 There's a whole area around here 843 00:45:22,545 --> 00:45:24,678 that's all kind of brushed out. 844 00:45:24,722 --> 00:45:25,418 - Yeah. 845 00:45:30,771 --> 00:45:32,860 - I'm not making it up you must hear that. 846 00:45:41,216 --> 00:45:42,652 - Yeah, I hear the squirrel. 847 00:45:42,696 --> 00:45:45,133 - Okay, yeah, well, you're not listening, 848 00:45:45,177 --> 00:45:46,352 that's the problem. 849 00:45:46,395 --> 00:45:48,136 You don't climb with me 850 00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:50,878 'cause you're saying what you're saying, 851 00:45:50,922 --> 00:45:52,271 you're wasting your time, 852 00:45:52,314 --> 00:45:53,751 there's nothing there, John, let's go. 853 00:45:57,798 --> 00:46:00,148 - I don't think I said that. 854 00:46:00,192 --> 00:46:01,584 - Huh? 855 00:46:01,628 --> 00:46:02,803 - I don't think that I said that. 856 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,808 - Whatever it is now it's gone 'cause we're talking, 857 00:46:07,852 --> 00:46:12,030 you know, but you can see how it came through here, 858 00:46:12,073 --> 00:46:13,814 where I've come see, 859 00:46:13,858 --> 00:46:16,904 through, through there, over there zigzagged, 860 00:46:16,948 --> 00:46:17,818 and behind that tree. 861 00:46:21,648 --> 00:46:23,258 Plain as the nose on your face. 862 00:46:38,708 --> 00:46:41,407 - People would say stuff like, 863 00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:43,409 "Well, we thought we knew your dad, 864 00:46:43,452 --> 00:46:48,370 "but he's so mean, like what happened to him?" 865 00:46:48,414 --> 00:46:52,070 And it was hard for me because that wasn't him, 866 00:46:52,113 --> 00:46:53,723 that was the illness, 867 00:46:53,767 --> 00:46:57,640 and somebody living with that type of chronic illness 868 00:46:57,684 --> 00:47:02,080 and pain, I think they lash out at people 869 00:47:02,123 --> 00:47:04,299 because they need and they want help, 870 00:47:04,343 --> 00:47:07,085 but they're not getting it. 871 00:47:07,128 --> 00:47:09,174 At least not getting it sufficiently enough 872 00:47:09,217 --> 00:47:11,480 to ease their pain and to help them 873 00:47:11,524 --> 00:47:16,398 feel like they're not going to succumb to their disease. 874 00:47:16,442 --> 00:47:19,184 - So adopted, today on paper, 875 00:47:19,227 --> 00:47:20,838 is he a legal? - Mm-hmm, 876 00:47:20,881 --> 00:47:21,534 - Okay. - Yeah. 877 00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:25,364 - So legal custody. 878 00:47:25,407 --> 00:47:27,192 - He's the only father I ever knew. 879 00:47:29,977 --> 00:47:31,761 - So do you think there's any chance 880 00:47:31,805 --> 00:47:33,633 in the future that you would see him again 881 00:47:33,676 --> 00:47:35,156 or connect with him again? 882 00:47:37,419 --> 00:47:39,857 - It's up to him, I'm not gonna reach out. 883 00:47:42,511 --> 00:47:44,774 - I realized that I should be spending 884 00:47:44,818 --> 00:47:47,299 more time with my children, with my grandkids, 885 00:47:47,342 --> 00:47:49,736 with everybody connected, their relations, 886 00:47:49,779 --> 00:47:52,478 with their cousins, all these people, 887 00:47:52,521 --> 00:47:56,264 but I don't, in fact I'm not really interested 888 00:47:56,308 --> 00:47:57,875 in all the peripheral stuff. 889 00:48:05,186 --> 00:48:09,799 The only time that my father actually I could see emotion 890 00:48:09,843 --> 00:48:11,627 and I could see him breaking down, 891 00:48:11,671 --> 00:48:14,804 was when I saw him for the last time, and he was dying. 892 00:48:14,848 --> 00:48:17,416 He knew he was dying, and he was living. 893 00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:19,548 My mother had already died some years earlier, 894 00:48:19,592 --> 00:48:20,898 and so when my mother died, 895 00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:24,510 he went down, he just started folding in. 896 00:48:24,553 --> 00:48:26,860 He was a big strong man, 897 00:48:26,904 --> 00:48:29,210 and he used to kneel by his bed every night 898 00:48:29,254 --> 00:48:32,953 and say his prayers strictly, a very strict Catholic. 899 00:48:33,998 --> 00:48:36,304 But when I saw him for the last time, 900 00:48:36,348 --> 00:48:39,264 he looked at me and he was a big man, 901 00:48:39,307 --> 00:48:42,006 but he'd shrunken in size, you know? 902 00:48:43,007 --> 00:48:47,925 And he was stooped over on his cane, and he, he said, 903 00:48:49,622 --> 00:48:53,974 "I just wanna tell you, I'm not gonna see you again." 904 00:48:54,018 --> 00:48:56,324 And of course, I brushed it off and said, 905 00:48:56,368 --> 00:48:57,630 "Oh, you'll see me, I'll be back." 906 00:48:57,673 --> 00:48:59,501 And he said, "No, you won't be back." 907 00:49:00,415 --> 00:49:01,939 And then he said, 908 00:49:01,982 --> 00:49:07,074 "And I'm sorry that I was not there more for you." 909 00:49:07,379 --> 00:49:11,949 But and then he said, "But I'm so proud 910 00:49:13,428 --> 00:49:15,604 "that you have turned out the way you have." 911 00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:19,565 And I was emotional, I'm a little emotional now. 912 00:49:19,608 --> 00:49:24,613 And I hugged him and you know, it was, we didn't hug, 913 00:49:26,398 --> 00:49:28,487 but I hugged him, and he said, 914 00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:31,011 "Then well, it's goodbye then, isn't it?" 915 00:49:31,055 --> 00:49:33,709 And I said, I brushed it off immediately, 916 00:49:33,753 --> 00:49:35,102 and I said, "No, no, I'll be back. 917 00:49:35,146 --> 00:49:36,974 "Jerry will call me, my brother will call." 918 00:49:37,713 --> 00:49:39,280 But he said, "No, you won't." 919 00:49:40,629 --> 00:49:43,023 Then he reached out his hand and he shook my hand, 920 00:49:44,024 --> 00:49:49,203 and that was the only time in my life 921 00:49:49,464 --> 00:49:53,947 that my father actually showed 922 00:49:55,122 --> 00:49:58,299 really strong emotion towards me, you know. 923 00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:10,094 - Get that out of your mouth. Gimme that! 924 00:50:13,662 --> 00:50:14,881 What's in your mouth, little boy? 925 00:50:14,924 --> 00:50:16,622 Uh-uh, you can't throw your things. 926 00:50:17,666 --> 00:50:19,451 You know you can't throw your toys. 927 00:50:21,148 --> 00:50:23,063 - You know, they got the bathroom ready for him. 928 00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:29,765 Having my dad here has been a lifesaver. 929 00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:32,116 If I didn't have him living with me 930 00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:34,074 I would be drowning in stress. 931 00:50:34,118 --> 00:50:36,511 I wouldn't have any time to myself, 932 00:50:36,555 --> 00:50:39,340 I wouldn't have any time to go to school, 933 00:50:39,384 --> 00:50:40,820 to even keep a clean house, 934 00:50:40,863 --> 00:50:43,431 to really love the boys the way they deserve. 935 00:50:43,475 --> 00:50:45,085 He moved into my garage 936 00:50:45,129 --> 00:50:48,349 because he refused to take one of the boy's bedrooms, 937 00:50:48,393 --> 00:50:51,091 even though I was willing to have the baby come sleep 938 00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:55,269 in my room or get the boys to just share rooms, 939 00:50:55,313 --> 00:50:57,184 he refused to let them do that. 940 00:50:57,228 --> 00:50:58,751 As a single mom, 941 00:50:58,794 --> 00:51:01,623 that is the greatest gift anyone could ever give me. 942 00:51:03,321 --> 00:51:04,365 Yeah! 943 00:51:06,106 --> 00:51:07,064 I'll always be thankful, 944 00:51:09,457 --> 00:51:13,418 even if he's a little crazy. 945 00:51:14,288 --> 00:51:15,202 Sorry, Dad! 946 00:51:16,508 --> 00:51:21,382 - Particularly if he's a little crazy. 947 00:51:21,426 --> 00:51:23,689 - Extra crazy. 948 00:51:28,172 --> 00:51:32,959 - The legend of the primate in this part of the world, 949 00:51:33,002 --> 00:51:35,048 it's something that's never gonna die. 950 00:51:35,092 --> 00:51:39,052 They are breeding living creatures, 951 00:51:39,096 --> 00:51:42,099 and they're male, they're female, there are children. 952 00:51:42,142 --> 00:51:45,058 They live, they die, they're grandparents, 953 00:51:45,102 --> 00:51:48,409 and they have the whole, you know, 954 00:51:49,628 --> 00:51:53,675 social structure to survive. 955 00:52:30,234 --> 00:52:31,974 - How's that, is that alright? 956 00:52:32,018 --> 00:52:33,585 - Maybe a little more. - A little more? 957 00:52:33,628 --> 00:52:35,152 - Like real saturated. 958 00:52:38,764 --> 00:52:42,202 - Well, I don't want it too short at the back. 959 00:52:42,246 --> 00:52:45,771 I like it down with the collar because of the sun. 960 00:52:48,295 --> 00:52:49,949 I don't wear any sunscreen 961 00:52:49,992 --> 00:52:52,169 'cause stuff stings me in the eyes, it's horrible stuff. 962 00:52:55,998 --> 00:52:58,479 So anyway, I ran down the logs, 963 00:52:58,523 --> 00:53:02,222 and around the corner I found this huge mountain meadow 964 00:53:03,310 --> 00:53:06,226 laid out in flowers, and there was a trail 965 00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:09,098 that just been cut all the way through it, 966 00:53:09,142 --> 00:53:13,668 as if two large or three large primates, 967 00:53:13,712 --> 00:53:15,322 not bears not deer, 968 00:53:15,366 --> 00:53:18,499 had run through there, it was fresh, fresh, fresh. 969 00:53:19,935 --> 00:53:21,676 I was jumping up and down. 970 00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,374 - Did you get footage of it? 971 00:53:23,417 --> 00:53:26,551 - No, we didn't get footage of anything, we're too noisy. 972 00:53:26,594 --> 00:53:28,857 - I've been discouraged a lot in my life 973 00:53:28,901 --> 00:53:31,817 especially by my mom, and it doesn't feel good. 974 00:53:31,860 --> 00:53:33,035 When you're excited about something 975 00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:34,863 and passionate about something, 976 00:53:34,907 --> 00:53:36,474 and somebody says something to put doubt in your head, 977 00:53:36,517 --> 00:53:37,866 it's just that never feels good, 978 00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:40,478 so I like, I like being supportive of him, 979 00:53:40,521 --> 00:53:41,653 he's a good person. 980 00:53:41,696 --> 00:53:43,350 He's been there for me 981 00:53:43,394 --> 00:53:46,875 in places when I've just sort of needed someone, something, 982 00:53:46,919 --> 00:53:50,923 some company, some companionship, 983 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:53,839 some diversion, distraction, 984 00:53:53,882 --> 00:53:58,147 and that's played a necessary role in my life. 985 00:53:58,191 --> 00:54:00,324 I don't think romantically we're connected 986 00:54:00,367 --> 00:54:03,370 in the way that I entertained at one point, 987 00:54:03,414 --> 00:54:06,286 but I certainly will always consider him 988 00:54:06,330 --> 00:54:08,680 a really, really close friend and a good person. 989 00:54:10,334 --> 00:54:13,337 I think one of the things that I respect most 990 00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:17,819 about John is that he is just tireless 991 00:54:17,863 --> 00:54:22,433 in his pursuit of what he feels is out there 992 00:54:22,476 --> 00:54:27,394 and what he feels will bring him happiness, victory, joy, 993 00:54:28,177 --> 00:54:31,920 something, some sense of accomplishment, 994 00:54:31,964 --> 00:54:33,661 and he won't give up on it. 995 00:54:33,705 --> 00:54:37,361 And it doesn't seem to matter if he gets tangible evidence, 996 00:54:37,404 --> 00:54:40,451 it doesn't seem to matter if other people believe him, 997 00:54:40,494 --> 00:54:42,017 he just never gives up. 998 00:54:42,061 --> 00:54:44,455 And there's so many people 999 00:54:44,498 --> 00:54:46,935 that give up on small things all the time 1000 00:54:46,979 --> 00:54:50,330 and he's basically devoted his life to this. 1001 00:54:50,374 --> 00:54:53,942 And he doesn't get a lot of positive feedback 1002 00:54:53,986 --> 00:54:58,033 and encouragement that he's going to find 1003 00:54:58,077 --> 00:54:59,513 what he wants to find. 1004 00:54:59,557 --> 00:55:03,909 And the fact that he continues down that path, 1005 00:55:03,952 --> 00:55:06,825 tirelessly and tenaciously, 1006 00:55:06,868 --> 00:55:10,002 and with a purpose, I have to respect that, 1007 00:55:10,045 --> 00:55:11,308 especially in a man. 1008 00:55:15,442 --> 00:55:17,314 - All the criticism I've had 1009 00:55:17,357 --> 00:55:19,664 for all the years I've been doing this, 1010 00:55:19,707 --> 00:55:22,406 and the people poking fun at me, 1011 00:55:22,449 --> 00:55:25,583 and walking across to the other side of the street 1012 00:55:25,626 --> 00:55:28,412 when they see me coming, 'cause I'm nuts, 1013 00:55:28,455 --> 00:55:30,936 I know it's there, I'm going to find it. 1014 00:55:30,979 --> 00:55:33,417 I'll be smiling inward about it, I will, 1015 00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:38,030 I really will have a smile on the inside, 1016 00:55:38,073 --> 00:55:39,814 looking out at them all. 1017 00:55:44,428 --> 00:55:47,387 - Just explain, Ben, what are we doing here? 1018 00:55:47,431 --> 00:55:52,436 - In her hand is a very small thin strip of aluminum 1019 00:55:53,001 --> 00:55:56,962 with essentially a chip on it, and it's a tracer. 1020 00:55:57,005 --> 00:56:01,009 It in turn is tracked by the tracker. 1021 00:56:04,404 --> 00:56:08,408 Now, when we really go live with this thing, 1022 00:56:08,452 --> 00:56:09,670 there's gonna be bait 1023 00:56:11,455 --> 00:56:12,978 that the tracer will be placed in. 1024 00:56:13,021 --> 00:56:14,501 Right now we just placed it in the container 1025 00:56:14,545 --> 00:56:16,155 to see whether or not the tracker will still be able 1026 00:56:16,198 --> 00:56:19,463 to pick up the signal from the tracer. 1027 00:56:19,506 --> 00:56:22,988 - If the primate was running, 'cause she's just walking, 1028 00:56:23,031 --> 00:56:24,555 if the primate was running, 1029 00:56:24,598 --> 00:56:27,340 it would track while the primate's running, right? 1030 00:56:27,384 --> 00:56:29,473 - I love the contrast of her blonde hair 1031 00:56:29,516 --> 00:56:31,823 with the green of the trees. 1032 00:56:32,954 --> 00:56:34,565 - Is it working? 1033 00:56:34,608 --> 00:56:36,305 - You better tell her it's working, encourage her, 1034 00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:38,351 say something, say something nice. 1035 00:56:38,395 --> 00:56:41,441 - It's working great, babe. - There you go! 1036 00:56:58,066 --> 00:57:00,504 We'll probably be out here about a week and a half 1037 00:57:00,547 --> 00:57:04,421 to two weeks maybe, we didn't bring that many supplies 1038 00:57:04,464 --> 00:57:06,423 but we've got enough to hold out for awhile. 1039 00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:17,172 - What you doing, Ben? 1040 00:57:17,216 --> 00:57:18,478 - I'm gonna place the bait. 1041 00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:37,454 Just like that. 1042 00:57:39,543 --> 00:57:41,762 - I mean, there's a little bit of gas. 1043 00:57:41,806 --> 00:57:44,417 Oh, there it goes! Look at that! 1044 00:57:44,461 --> 00:57:46,463 How about some hot oatmeal? - All right! 1045 00:57:49,204 --> 00:57:51,468 - Well, this is almost ready. 1046 00:57:56,603 --> 00:58:00,912 It's a mess, Ben, we need to make some decisions 1047 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,915 about what we're gonna do. 1048 00:58:03,958 --> 00:58:05,569 I got water in my tent. 1049 00:58:05,612 --> 00:58:08,920 Look, most of it actually was absorbed by the bed bag, 1050 00:58:08,963 --> 00:58:10,443 which is drying out there, 1051 00:58:11,575 --> 00:58:13,838 and of course I was soaked, I woke up wet. 1052 00:58:14,882 --> 00:58:15,883 My feet are wet. 1053 00:58:22,977 --> 00:58:25,850 - Science is not utterly contemptuous 1054 00:58:25,893 --> 00:58:27,982 of the Bigfoot question, if you look at the living fauna, 1055 00:58:28,026 --> 00:58:31,420 if you look at the biogeography, the ecology, 1056 00:58:31,464 --> 00:58:33,727 the evolutionary, picture in the fossil record, 1057 00:58:33,771 --> 00:58:36,513 all these things point to, if not the likelihood, 1058 00:58:36,556 --> 00:58:39,428 at least the plausibility of such an animal. 1059 00:58:39,472 --> 00:58:41,605 Population biologists have often said, 1060 00:58:41,648 --> 00:58:45,565 if there is a reproducing population in the Northwest 1061 00:58:45,609 --> 00:58:48,916 it's probably somewhere between 500-5,000 animals 1062 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,702 between Northern California and Alaska. 1063 00:58:51,745 --> 00:58:53,573 That seems plausible to me. 1064 00:58:53,617 --> 00:58:56,837 So, I mean, it's a kind of animal like any other. 1065 00:59:07,108 --> 00:59:09,241 - Hey John, John. 1066 00:59:13,027 --> 00:59:14,463 - Yeah. 1067 00:59:14,507 --> 00:59:18,119 - Something's going on with one of the tracers. 1068 00:59:21,862 --> 00:59:23,603 - Was it moving, what's it? 1069 00:59:24,865 --> 00:59:26,084 - I'm not sure, hold on. 1070 00:59:37,791 --> 00:59:38,966 Stop and listen. 1071 00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:43,536 - Do you see it, Ben, on the tracer? 1072 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:45,930 - This thing is a quarter mile up the hill now. 1073 00:59:46,887 --> 00:59:48,585 - It keeps zigzagging. - Yeah! 1074 00:59:56,636 --> 00:59:58,159 - What do you think? 1075 01:00:04,078 --> 01:00:05,210 It's in there. 1076 01:00:08,561 --> 01:00:10,302 It stopped, I can't hear anything now. 1077 01:00:29,016 --> 01:00:31,453 All right, are we getting any closer? 1078 01:00:31,497 --> 01:00:33,934 Has it stopped? - Sorry, I think we're 1079 01:00:33,978 --> 01:00:35,109 It's hard to say John. 1080 01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:37,634 - Huh, it's a distance? 1081 01:00:38,722 --> 01:00:39,766 Are we gaining on him? 1082 01:00:41,246 --> 01:00:43,988 - It's up in there, right on the top of that ridge. 1083 01:00:44,031 --> 01:00:46,599 Our only hope is to try to go around the girth 1084 01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:49,341 of the side of the mountain here and possibly head it off. 1085 01:00:52,344 --> 01:00:54,259 - How far is it? 1086 01:00:54,302 --> 01:00:55,826 - Well, it's moving north, 1087 01:00:55,869 --> 01:00:58,567 and unfortunately we're going south right now 1088 01:00:58,611 --> 01:01:00,308 because we've got to traverse our way back 1089 01:01:00,352 --> 01:01:01,962 up across this ridge line. 1090 01:01:05,357 --> 01:01:08,012 Not many, it's pretty sparse, it's been so dry. 1091 01:01:11,755 --> 01:01:14,018 - What are you looking for? - Blueberries. 1092 01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:23,070 - I'm not gonna go down, Ben, I'm not going down. 1093 01:01:23,114 --> 01:01:24,463 I'm not that thirsty. 1094 01:01:24,506 --> 01:01:26,639 - I'm getting dehydrated though, John. 1095 01:01:26,683 --> 01:01:28,293 - Well, you can't do anything about it, 1096 01:01:28,336 --> 01:01:30,121 going down there is two hours. 1097 01:01:30,164 --> 01:01:32,776 How accurate do you think that thing is? 1098 01:01:32,819 --> 01:01:34,952 - I think it's accurate. - Can you pinpoint it more? 1099 01:01:34,995 --> 01:01:36,780 I mean. 1100 01:01:36,823 --> 01:01:38,216 - Well, this thing shows the direction he's moving, 1101 01:01:38,259 --> 01:01:39,826 and so it could be over here 1102 01:01:39,870 --> 01:01:42,133 but it's still way up high as over a half a mile away. 1103 01:01:48,705 --> 01:01:50,707 - Where does it say it is, Ben? 1104 01:01:51,403 --> 01:01:52,665 It's pointing up there. 1105 01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:55,189 - It's about 200 yards from this spot, 1106 01:01:56,147 --> 01:01:57,714 facing due south. 1107 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,330 - I don't see anything. 1108 01:02:05,373 --> 01:02:07,680 - Well, I'm gonna get up, I'm going closer. 1109 01:02:07,724 --> 01:02:09,682 - When we came up here, we've come back around 1110 01:02:09,726 --> 01:02:12,206 and we traversed a side of this mountain 1111 01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:14,469 it went straight up the side. - Yeah. 1112 01:02:14,513 --> 01:02:16,820 - So, it came this whole ridge line, 1113 01:02:16,863 --> 01:02:21,041 all along here is what I speculate, all along there. 1114 01:02:28,875 --> 01:02:30,790 - Yeah, it looks like two footprints like that. 1115 01:02:30,834 --> 01:02:33,053 - Almost does. - Huh? 1116 01:02:35,229 --> 01:02:37,754 - There's flies everywhere, look at them. 1117 01:02:39,886 --> 01:02:42,236 - Oh my goodness. 1118 01:02:43,281 --> 01:02:44,151 - What? 1119 01:02:56,207 --> 01:02:57,774 - That thing took a shit up here, 1120 01:02:57,817 --> 01:03:00,820 got bloody traces inside that pile of shit. 1121 01:03:00,864 --> 01:03:02,430 - How fresh do you think the shit is? 1122 01:03:02,474 --> 01:03:04,737 - It's very fresh in the last hour or so. 1123 01:03:04,781 --> 01:03:06,086 - Less than an hour. 1124 01:03:15,748 --> 01:03:16,793 There's a, fuck! 1125 01:03:17,881 --> 01:03:18,795 Look at this, Ben. 1126 01:03:21,014 --> 01:03:22,276 - Fuck me! 1127 01:03:23,887 --> 01:03:25,758 - We got it. - It's not gonna do any good. 1128 01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:28,065 - Well, I didn't come all the way- 1129 01:03:28,108 --> 01:03:29,109 - No. 1130 01:03:29,153 --> 01:03:30,763 - I didn't come on this way, 1131 01:03:30,807 --> 01:03:32,896 we didn't come on this way to just walk away from this. 1132 01:03:32,939 --> 01:03:36,856 Maybe they could run a DNA, we've got something at least. 1133 01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:39,293 - I'm worried about him, he's dehydrated. 1134 01:03:42,644 --> 01:03:43,863 We gotta get to that water. 1135 01:03:51,262 --> 01:03:52,132 Okay, come on. 1136 01:03:55,135 --> 01:03:59,400 One foot in front of the other, you go in front of me. 1137 01:04:04,144 --> 01:04:06,103 How've you been, I haven't seen you in a while. 1138 01:04:12,152 --> 01:04:14,198 - It's some kind of a scat. 1139 01:04:14,241 --> 01:04:14,894 I'm a little, 1140 01:04:18,593 --> 01:04:21,422 that odor is nitrogenous waste. 1141 01:04:21,466 --> 01:04:22,989 Generally herbivores don't have 1142 01:04:23,033 --> 01:04:25,122 that nitrogenous smell to it. 1143 01:04:25,165 --> 01:04:29,517 You know, being deer, elk, something of that nature. 1144 01:04:29,561 --> 01:04:32,651 So you're thinking the tracer was consumed and excreted? 1145 01:04:32,694 --> 01:04:34,218 - Correct. That's right. 1146 01:04:34,261 --> 01:04:35,741 - In the scat. 1147 01:04:35,784 --> 01:04:37,786 - Yeah, I took the actual tracer out of the scat. 1148 01:04:37,830 --> 01:04:39,745 - Now let me back you up just a little bit. 1149 01:04:39,788 --> 01:04:43,227 It was in a container- - Initially. 1150 01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:45,316 - That it required an opposable thumb, 1151 01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:46,665 that doesn't mean something 1152 01:04:46,708 --> 01:04:48,275 couldn't have broken the container. 1153 01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:49,407 - Correct. True. 1154 01:04:49,450 --> 01:04:50,451 - Black bear can tear into anything. 1155 01:04:52,018 --> 01:04:54,542 There were a couple of things that confused me about it. 1156 01:04:56,283 --> 01:04:58,068 Number one, the smell of it. 1157 01:04:59,069 --> 01:05:03,421 The shape, and the overall texture to it, 1158 01:05:05,989 --> 01:05:09,209 it just wasn't like anything I'd seen before, 1159 01:05:09,253 --> 01:05:09,906 I don't believe. 1160 01:05:12,647 --> 01:05:13,997 - How much of an expert 1161 01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,303 would you consider yourself in that area? 1162 01:05:16,347 --> 01:05:20,612 - Well, there's you know the, 1163 01:05:20,655 --> 01:05:22,222 "This guy don't know shit!" 1164 01:05:22,266 --> 01:05:27,445 I've got a friend up in Fairbank's, his name is Ted Swimm, 1165 01:05:28,054 --> 01:05:29,664 Dr. Theodore Swimm. 1166 01:05:29,708 --> 01:05:32,580 He's with endangered species, 1167 01:05:32,624 --> 01:05:34,713 with the Fish and Wildlife Service. 1168 01:05:34,756 --> 01:05:36,193 - Well, like I said before, 1169 01:05:36,236 --> 01:05:39,109 he circled around the bear topic but- 1170 01:05:39,152 --> 01:05:40,545 - It's just a hypothesis. 1171 01:05:40,588 --> 01:05:42,025 And I can appreciate, he's a scientist, 1172 01:05:42,068 --> 01:05:44,766 you know, you want to have some kind of speculation. 1173 01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:46,203 - I guess, he wasn't certain. 1174 01:05:46,246 --> 01:05:47,726 - He wasn't certain 100%. - No. 1175 01:05:47,769 --> 01:05:50,598 - And he's sending it to his friend up north 1176 01:05:50,642 --> 01:05:52,905 who's gonna do a real analysis on it. 1177 01:06:08,051 --> 01:06:11,402 - So I'm wanting to go through there. 1178 01:06:11,445 --> 01:06:13,317 This is ridiculous. 1179 01:06:17,103 --> 01:06:20,977 - I don't need an entourage, Ben and his group of friends, 1180 01:06:22,152 --> 01:06:24,589 and I could quite frankly, I can do without you, 1181 01:06:24,632 --> 01:06:27,461 'cause I don't need, I don't need publicity. 1182 01:06:29,028 --> 01:06:32,727 - You know, I'll go out and find it and- - I'm not bringing you publicity, 1183 01:06:32,771 --> 01:06:35,252 - I'm just covering your story. - I know you're covering the story 1184 01:06:35,295 --> 01:06:36,993 but sometimes it's just annoying. 1185 01:06:37,689 --> 01:06:39,996 I mean, look at us standing here in this bog. 1186 01:06:40,822 --> 01:06:41,998 - Wouldn't you be standing here 1187 01:06:42,041 --> 01:06:43,477 if I wasn't with you? 1188 01:06:43,521 --> 01:06:45,653 - Probably not, no, probably not. 1189 01:06:47,177 --> 01:06:49,614 I would've gone the other way, I would have seen- 1190 01:06:49,657 --> 01:06:51,050 - Why would you have gone the other way 1191 01:06:51,094 --> 01:06:52,747 if I wasn't here? 1192 01:06:52,791 --> 01:06:54,053 - Well, because look, the water now we're standing here, 1193 01:06:54,097 --> 01:06:55,359 I would have gone that way. 1194 01:06:57,013 --> 01:06:58,623 - What does me being here 1195 01:06:58,666 --> 01:07:00,451 have anything to do with the route you would go? 1196 01:07:00,494 --> 01:07:01,974 It makes no sense. 1197 01:07:02,018 --> 01:07:04,498 - Well, because I thought this trail was open, 1198 01:07:04,542 --> 01:07:06,326 and you wanted to come down here with me. 1199 01:07:06,370 --> 01:07:07,719 And I said, I wanted to go 1200 01:07:07,762 --> 01:07:09,373 and look at this other site over here. 1201 01:07:29,871 --> 01:07:32,004 - I think, between you and I, 1202 01:07:32,048 --> 01:07:34,485 that thing that I would like to just say 1203 01:07:34,528 --> 01:07:37,140 about my dad is that I miss him. 1204 01:07:37,183 --> 01:07:41,666 There are times when I am doing something in the best mood, 1205 01:07:41,709 --> 01:07:44,408 listening to music, and then all of a sudden, 1206 01:07:44,451 --> 01:07:48,325 like the wind will blow, or I'll catch a scent in the air 1207 01:07:48,368 --> 01:07:52,546 that will remind me of him, and somebody will walk in 1208 01:07:52,590 --> 01:07:55,114 and it will start on me, and I'll be crying 1209 01:07:55,158 --> 01:07:57,029 and they'll say, "Oh my gosh, what's wrong?" 1210 01:07:57,073 --> 01:07:59,988 And the answer to that is nothing like, nothing is wrong, 1211 01:08:00,032 --> 01:08:03,862 it's just part of everyday life without him, 1212 01:08:03,905 --> 01:08:06,038 the pain definitely never goes away. 1213 01:08:06,082 --> 01:08:08,432 It just catches you when you least expect it. 1214 01:08:28,626 --> 01:08:29,627 - John! 1215 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:40,812 John! 1216 01:08:44,598 --> 01:08:45,686 Shit! 1217 01:08:52,171 --> 01:08:53,129 - Fuck you! 1218 01:08:58,264 --> 01:09:00,614 It was raining and I got wet. 1219 01:09:03,965 --> 01:09:05,924 You know, I took pictures. 1220 01:09:05,967 --> 01:09:07,621 - What pictures? 1221 01:09:07,665 --> 01:09:10,363 - I took pictures of the primate, two pictures, two of them. 1222 01:09:11,277 --> 01:09:12,583 - Have you actually looked at them 1223 01:09:12,626 --> 01:09:13,714 on the camera? 1224 01:09:13,758 --> 01:09:15,020 Like, you know what you shot? 1225 01:09:15,063 --> 01:09:16,456 - No, the camera's not working anymore. 1226 01:09:17,501 --> 01:09:19,851 - I mean, how do you know you have anything? 1227 01:09:19,894 --> 01:09:22,245 - Well, I got out there at night, 1228 01:09:22,288 --> 01:09:25,248 in my tent up in the mountains, when the primates came- 1229 01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:26,597 - Hey John, if I set up everything 1230 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,641 can I do an interview? 1231 01:09:27,685 --> 01:09:29,600 Like, would you do it? 1232 01:09:31,341 --> 01:09:35,345 - Well, you're talking to me now, isn't this an interview? 1233 01:09:35,388 --> 01:09:36,476 Huh? - No! 1234 01:09:37,303 --> 01:09:38,826 Let me set everything up. 1235 01:09:41,307 --> 01:09:43,570 - I saw two, two primates. 1236 01:09:46,225 --> 01:09:49,228 I was in my tent in the middle fork, 1237 01:09:49,272 --> 01:09:50,621 I'd been there about a week, 1238 01:09:52,710 --> 01:09:54,625 I heard them coming into the campsite. 1239 01:09:54,668 --> 01:09:58,237 - Is this a true story or are you making it up? 1240 01:09:58,281 --> 01:09:59,673 - I have pictures. 1241 01:09:59,717 --> 01:10:02,241 No, I have the pictures here. 1242 01:10:02,285 --> 01:10:05,157 Sara has a charger at her house, I'd plug it in- 1243 01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:06,767 - So why haven't you gone there? 1244 01:10:06,811 --> 01:10:09,161 I mean, it'd be the first thing you do. 1245 01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:13,600 - Well, I, you see- 1246 01:10:13,644 --> 01:10:14,514 - You know what? 1247 01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:15,863 I'll tell you something, 1248 01:10:15,907 --> 01:10:17,430 I've been following you a long time. 1249 01:10:17,474 --> 01:10:21,869 And I think you just are making, this is bullshit. 1250 01:10:21,913 --> 01:10:23,219 - I'm not making it up. 1251 01:10:25,264 --> 01:10:27,701 - The guys that catch Bigfoot gold fever 1252 01:10:28,789 --> 01:10:31,270 become a lost to it. 1253 01:10:31,314 --> 01:10:33,664 They can be lost to 1254 01:10:34,708 --> 01:10:37,145 what we consider a day-to-day reality 1255 01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:39,322 to the extent that it's not good for them, 1256 01:10:39,365 --> 01:10:42,194 and not good for those around them who love them. 1257 01:11:03,171 --> 01:11:04,869 - It's kind of temperamental. 1258 01:11:04,912 --> 01:11:07,175 I mean, I've had that camera for years and years, 1259 01:11:07,219 --> 01:11:09,221 it's been out in the wilderness with me. 1260 01:11:11,223 --> 01:11:13,399 You see, when I took pictures of the primates 1261 01:11:13,443 --> 01:11:14,792 with the flash- 1262 01:11:14,835 --> 01:11:16,359 - John where are the pictures? 1263 01:11:16,402 --> 01:11:18,491 - Well, Sara is looking for them. 1264 01:11:18,535 --> 01:11:20,363 - That's the whole point. - They're in there. 1265 01:11:20,406 --> 01:11:22,452 - All right. It still says, "Lens Cover Error." 1266 01:11:22,495 --> 01:11:24,236 - Well you have to push, look, look, let me- 1267 01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:25,455 - John, what does the lens cover error 1268 01:11:25,498 --> 01:11:26,543 have to do with looking at photos? 1269 01:11:26,586 --> 01:11:28,240 - I don't know. 1270 01:11:28,284 --> 01:11:31,591 I'm not technical, but this, when you hold it up somehow 1271 01:11:31,635 --> 01:11:34,290 you push the lens cap. 1272 01:11:35,552 --> 01:11:37,380 - But you just got the lens cap off. 1273 01:11:37,423 --> 01:11:39,512 - No, but you have to push it up, even though it's hidden, 1274 01:11:39,556 --> 01:11:44,300 if you push, push it further into it's recess, into the. 1275 01:11:45,388 --> 01:11:48,304 You can figure it out, I'm gonna keep eating. 1276 01:11:49,348 --> 01:11:51,481 - It doesn't seem to have any stored pictures, 1277 01:11:51,524 --> 01:11:53,265 it like lets me take pictures, 1278 01:11:53,309 --> 01:11:55,789 but it doesn't seem to have any stored pictures. 1279 01:12:00,533 --> 01:12:03,754 That's really disappointing, disappointments are so hard. 1280 01:12:03,797 --> 01:12:05,016 I hate disappointment. 1281 01:12:05,059 --> 01:12:06,496 - It's like years of disappointment. 1282 01:12:06,539 --> 01:12:07,845 I mean, it's like just, 1283 01:12:12,153 --> 01:12:13,851 I don't know if I can do it again. 1284 01:12:15,287 --> 01:12:17,333 I just don't know if I have it in me. 1285 01:12:19,509 --> 01:12:20,901 - He was more desperate. 1286 01:12:20,945 --> 01:12:23,426 He seemed more desperate than he has in the past, 1287 01:12:23,469 --> 01:12:25,732 and I don't know if that's because he's getting tired, 1288 01:12:25,776 --> 01:12:27,212 or because he's getting older, 1289 01:12:27,255 --> 01:12:29,954 or because he's losing faith or hope himself. 1290 01:12:29,997 --> 01:12:31,434 I think there's a lot of him 1291 01:12:31,477 --> 01:12:35,046 that maybe feels like he's a failure in some ways. 1292 01:12:57,851 --> 01:12:59,200 - I sometimes feel guilty 1293 01:12:59,244 --> 01:13:00,767 that maybe if she married somebody else 1294 01:13:00,811 --> 01:13:02,508 she'd still be alive, you know? 1295 01:13:03,683 --> 01:13:08,384 I've been having these recurring dreams that I wake up. 1296 01:13:08,427 --> 01:13:11,343 She says, "Don't worry, everything's gonna be all right. 1297 01:13:11,387 --> 01:13:16,348 You, you'll go on without me, you're strong, 1298 01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:20,047 you'll bounce back, you are who you are, 1299 01:13:20,091 --> 01:13:21,745 don't you ever change that." 1300 01:13:23,486 --> 01:13:26,619 And she's lying in the bed there, she can hardly get up. 1301 01:13:26,663 --> 01:13:31,363 You wouldn't even know who she was, you just wouldn't, 1302 01:13:32,886 --> 01:13:35,106 you'd think she was a stranger. 1303 01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:36,716 The only thing you could recognize, 1304 01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,152 if you knew her well enough, 1305 01:13:38,196 --> 01:13:40,764 was her smile and her cheerful attitude. 1306 01:13:41,808 --> 01:13:44,855 That, even in death, that's never, 1307 01:13:48,032 --> 01:13:49,773 they can't take that away from her. 1308 01:13:51,775 --> 01:13:57,041 It's a terrible situation, and I don't have the control, 1309 01:13:57,084 --> 01:13:58,869 I don't have any control over it. 1310 01:14:04,091 --> 01:14:06,877 I feel to myself, "Did I do enough? 1311 01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,446 "Did I try hard enough to help?" 1312 01:14:23,459 --> 01:14:28,551 Yeah, I'm just gonna have to go behind the, 1313 01:14:28,594 --> 01:14:31,118 I'm gonna go around the back of this building, 1314 01:14:31,162 --> 01:14:33,860 'cause I want to take a piss. 1315 01:14:39,431 --> 01:14:40,519 - You said you're gonna see 1316 01:14:40,563 --> 01:14:41,825 your kids again maybe? 1317 01:14:41,868 --> 01:14:44,567 - Yeah, I do want to see my children. 1318 01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:45,481 You know what? 1319 01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:51,574 I really do, I mean, it's been a long time. 1320 01:14:52,488 --> 01:14:54,577 You know, I wasn't, I didn't do the right thing, 1321 01:14:54,620 --> 01:14:59,582 and hopefully after these years gone 1322 01:15:00,496 --> 01:15:05,849 that we can perhaps reunite a little bit, 1323 01:15:07,459 --> 01:15:11,507 'cause right now it doesn't look good, 1324 01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:14,161 it doesn't feel good. 1325 01:15:14,205 --> 01:15:15,554 I mean, I don't feel good. 1326 01:15:21,081 --> 01:15:22,866 It's just not there for me anymore. 1327 01:15:33,006 --> 01:15:34,834 - Why did it take so long, 1328 01:15:34,878 --> 01:15:36,183 did they say anything? 1329 01:15:36,227 --> 01:15:37,620 - Well, Dr. Swindler, I don't know. 1330 01:15:37,663 --> 01:15:40,144 I think, he's a very busy guy. 1331 01:15:40,187 --> 01:15:42,538 And to get this sample 1332 01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:45,584 I'm not sure how seriously he might've taken Jeff. 1333 01:15:45,628 --> 01:15:49,501 But anyway, he finally did get around to it. 1334 01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:51,503 And even though we've been discouraged, 1335 01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:53,157 we've heard nothing but you know what? 1336 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:54,419 We have heard something now. 1337 01:15:54,462 --> 01:15:56,073 - And Ben came over and he said 1338 01:15:56,116 --> 01:15:59,163 that they'd found something very interesting 1339 01:15:59,206 --> 01:16:02,906 that they were all excited about it. 1340 01:16:04,690 --> 01:16:08,520 - You guys know, this is Dr. Ted Swimm, he's very nice. 1341 01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:09,826 - We're in the Endangered Species office. 1342 01:16:09,869 --> 01:16:11,349 - I'm Ben. - Hi, Ben. 1343 01:16:11,392 --> 01:16:12,872 - This is Bob Fergus from Fairbanks, Alaska. 1344 01:16:12,916 --> 01:16:15,005 - Pleased to me you! - Pleased to meet you as well. 1345 01:16:15,048 --> 01:16:16,615 - Yeah, yeah. 1346 01:16:16,659 --> 01:16:19,096 - You know, thank you for including me into this project. 1347 01:16:21,794 --> 01:16:25,189 'Cause I think there's some exciting discoveries that- 1348 01:16:25,232 --> 01:16:26,538 - Hey Jeff, sorry to interrupt, 1349 01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:28,758 do you think you could put the dogs? 1350 01:16:28,801 --> 01:16:30,020 - I know I can. 1351 01:16:30,063 --> 01:16:31,587 Come on, girl. Bonnie! 1352 01:16:32,979 --> 01:16:34,198 Bonnie! Kennel! 1353 01:16:35,895 --> 01:16:37,593 - Thank you. - Sure. 1354 01:16:40,683 --> 01:16:42,119 - You know, science has come down to a point 1355 01:16:42,162 --> 01:16:44,425 where it's more economical to do a lot 1356 01:16:44,469 --> 01:16:47,211 of long-term deep dive testing on DNA 1357 01:16:47,254 --> 01:16:51,389 and RNA and chromosome pairings and those sorts of things, 1358 01:16:51,432 --> 01:16:54,218 and even sort of the commercial stuff, 1359 01:16:54,261 --> 01:16:55,654 that's under market as humans, 1360 01:16:55,698 --> 01:16:56,873 we can figure out where we came from, right? 1361 01:16:56,916 --> 01:16:58,701 So I think the testing component 1362 01:16:58,744 --> 01:17:02,792 was to try to figure out where this sample came from. 1363 01:17:02,835 --> 01:17:07,797 You know, the RNA which is in humans, it's similar, 1364 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,061 that's the messenger component of the science aspect 1365 01:17:11,104 --> 01:17:13,280 of what chromosomes and DNA is all about. 1366 01:17:13,324 --> 01:17:15,456 But this one was rather unusual. 1367 01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:19,243 - RNA stands for ribonucleic acid, RNA. 1368 01:17:19,286 --> 01:17:20,940 And it's a component of genetic material, 1369 01:17:20,984 --> 01:17:22,725 and it's associated with the DNA. 1370 01:17:22,768 --> 01:17:25,945 - What is it about this RNA that is unusual? 1371 01:17:28,469 --> 01:17:29,557 I guess. 1372 01:17:29,601 --> 01:17:31,298 - That's like saying what's unique 1373 01:17:31,342 --> 01:17:34,084 about an Irishman or a Norwegian. 1374 01:17:35,041 --> 01:17:36,434 - Okay. 1375 01:17:36,477 --> 01:17:41,047 - It's a detailed chemical explanation. 1376 01:17:42,309 --> 01:17:43,615 - So you're just saying 1377 01:17:43,659 --> 01:17:45,878 that you've never seen this before? 1378 01:17:45,922 --> 01:17:47,358 - That is correct. 1379 01:17:47,401 --> 01:17:49,055 - Not in our combined years of research, no. 1380 01:17:49,099 --> 01:17:50,491 - Yes. 1381 01:17:50,535 --> 01:17:54,104 - They're not willing to actually say out loud 1382 01:17:54,147 --> 01:17:57,585 that this could be the primate, 1383 01:17:57,629 --> 01:17:59,283 they're not willing, and I understand why, 1384 01:17:59,326 --> 01:18:04,027 because in your community you can be ridiculed. 1385 01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:09,119 - All we've got to this point is that it was human feces, 1386 01:18:09,162 --> 01:18:10,598 a hominid feces. 1387 01:18:10,642 --> 01:18:13,819 - There was no human who could have made that. 1388 01:18:13,863 --> 01:18:15,168 It was a pile about this big. 1389 01:18:15,212 --> 01:18:18,694 - It was unique in its transfer RNA, 1390 01:18:18,737 --> 01:18:21,740 and unlike anything that we've identified to this point. 1391 01:18:21,784 --> 01:18:24,787 That does not allow me to make the steps 1392 01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:26,092 that there is a Sasquatch. 1393 01:18:35,362 --> 01:18:36,755 - I think the other part too, 1394 01:18:36,799 --> 01:18:39,845 is you take a look at some indigenous tribes, 1395 01:18:40,759 --> 01:18:43,283 like in Brazil and other parts of the world 1396 01:18:43,327 --> 01:18:46,678 that basically remained undiscovered 1397 01:18:46,722 --> 01:18:48,724 for all intent and purpose. - Sorry guys! 1398 01:18:48,767 --> 01:18:51,161 You talk about this so matter-of-factly. 1399 01:18:51,204 --> 01:18:52,858 Are you saying that there could be some sort 1400 01:18:52,902 --> 01:18:56,122 of undiscovered tribe that there would be in South America 1401 01:18:56,166 --> 01:18:58,168 living in the North Cascades? 1402 01:18:58,211 --> 01:19:00,126 I mean, that's what I hear you saying? 1403 01:19:01,214 --> 01:19:03,173 - Well, no, we're not saying that, 1404 01:19:03,216 --> 01:19:04,957 we're saying a couple of things. 1405 01:19:05,001 --> 01:19:07,351 One that we know that there's undiscovered tribes down in Brazil, 1406 01:19:07,394 --> 01:19:09,614 because most recently they've been discovered. 1407 01:19:09,657 --> 01:19:12,008 I think what Jeff's talking about is that 1408 01:19:12,051 --> 01:19:17,056 there's a possibility there's an indigenous tribe here 1409 01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:18,362 that we haven't discovered. 1410 01:19:18,405 --> 01:19:20,668 - I think we're getting confused a little bit 1411 01:19:20,712 --> 01:19:25,717 using the word tribe, or it's a small group. 1412 01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:27,937 It's apparently a small inbred group 1413 01:19:27,980 --> 01:19:32,158 that has some unusual alleles in their DNA 1414 01:19:32,202 --> 01:19:36,380 that have made them distinctly different 1415 01:19:36,423 --> 01:19:39,775 from other groups that we know of in the area. 1416 01:19:41,994 --> 01:19:43,866 - I don't know what you guys thought in there, 1417 01:19:43,909 --> 01:19:46,869 but I found what they said in there to be highly confusing. 1418 01:19:46,912 --> 01:19:48,566 - Well, it is very confusing. 1419 01:19:48,609 --> 01:19:50,829 - Because when I interviewed him he told me, 1420 01:19:50,873 --> 01:19:52,744 he thought there was a greater probability 1421 01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:56,052 of some subculture humans that had never been identified 1422 01:19:56,095 --> 01:19:59,838 almost tribal living in the Cascades. 1423 01:19:59,882 --> 01:20:01,884 - Well, I mean, that's another hypothesis. 1424 01:20:01,927 --> 01:20:04,190 - I've seen these creatures, they're not human, 1425 01:20:04,234 --> 01:20:08,238 they're not human, so he can go round and round and round, 1426 01:20:08,281 --> 01:20:09,369 but they're not human. 1427 01:20:13,809 --> 01:20:15,985 - I there's a difference between belief and acceptance 1428 01:20:16,028 --> 01:20:20,424 as Grover Krantz, the great Bigfoot scientist did. 1429 01:20:20,467 --> 01:20:22,730 He felt the belief equated with faith, 1430 01:20:22,774 --> 01:20:25,777 acceptance based on evidence is something else. 1431 01:20:25,821 --> 01:20:27,953 As a scientist I prefer the latter, 1432 01:20:27,997 --> 01:20:30,695 because of the tracks and the sounds I've had 1433 01:20:30,738 --> 01:20:33,089 for which I don't have a better hypothesis, 1434 01:20:33,132 --> 01:20:37,745 I have upped my degree of acceptance from about 50-50, 1435 01:20:37,789 --> 01:20:39,530 when I really started looking into it 1436 01:20:39,573 --> 01:20:41,924 to probably about 75 or 80% now. 1437 01:20:41,967 --> 01:20:46,102 In other words, I am inclined toward the position 1438 01:20:46,145 --> 01:20:48,495 that it is likely 1439 01:20:48,539 --> 01:20:53,152 that Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Sehlatics, 1440 01:20:53,196 --> 01:20:55,459 walks as a flesh and blood animal, 1441 01:20:55,502 --> 01:20:58,375 but I'm not willing to say that I'm certain about it. 1442 01:21:01,030 --> 01:21:04,120 - He's been battling a lot of demons for a long time 1443 01:21:04,163 --> 01:21:05,861 and we kind of all see that, 1444 01:21:06,949 --> 01:21:09,647 but, you know, he's a great friend of mine 1445 01:21:09,690 --> 01:21:11,997 and I want to be there for him. 1446 01:21:12,041 --> 01:21:14,260 You know to have him come in here and bunk here sometimes, 1447 01:21:14,304 --> 01:21:16,610 and get clean and get something to eat, 1448 01:21:16,654 --> 01:21:17,873 I think it's a good thing. 1449 01:21:19,004 --> 01:21:20,484 He's a good kind soul. 1450 01:21:48,468 --> 01:21:50,035 - Hello! - Hi there. 1451 01:21:51,254 --> 01:21:52,472 Good to see you. 1452 01:22:33,035 --> 01:22:37,604 - To see him again, was a chance to hug him again, 1453 01:22:37,648 --> 01:22:40,607 to touch him again and tell him how much I loved him, 1454 01:22:40,651 --> 01:22:42,958 and how much I missed him. 1455 01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:48,615 We can give him the space to be whomever it is 1456 01:22:48,659 --> 01:22:51,575 that he wants to be so long as he's happy. 1457 01:22:56,362 --> 01:22:57,755 - Thank you! 1458 01:22:57,798 --> 01:22:59,409 from Carolina out there! 1459 01:22:59,452 --> 01:23:03,456 - And I'd also like to recognize somebody 1460 01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:04,544 that's here that's an old friend of mine 1461 01:23:04,588 --> 01:23:06,329 I've known for many years. 1462 01:23:06,372 --> 01:23:10,594 He rarely comes in from out of the woods 1463 01:23:10,637 --> 01:23:13,597 but he's here tonight and we're happy to have him in. 1464 01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,991 I'd like to dedicate this next song to him. 1465 01:23:16,992 --> 01:23:21,039 John Green, I give you "Mother Nature's Troubled Child."