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It's the scam of the century.
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The biggest tax fraud
ever recorded in France.
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-It's a scam.
-We're talking the heist of the century.
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The scam is related to the carbon tax
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which allows companies
to buy and sell the rights to pollute.
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The scammers used
a loophole in the system.
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How did individuals
who came from basically nowhere
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pull off the heist of the century?
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Carbon was the best thing in the world.
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It was… I can't even talk about it!
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I've never seen, in all the files
I've been able to deal with,
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such complicated routes.
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Hungry people with street smarts
screwed over intelligence
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from the best universities.
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Just imagine, you earn money,
get on private jets and boats,
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and people come to see you
in 25,000-euro suits
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and say, "How are you, Mr. Mouly?"
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You've never spoken to them.
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You're from Belleville.
You eat carrots and drink coffee.
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How much did I make?
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You're crazy
for asking me such a question.
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The damages totaled 283 million euros.
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283 million…
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283 million, but there are a ton of fees.
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The truth is, I don't know
how to read or write.
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How do you expect me
to know the power of money?
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Anyone else would've hidden it.
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He wanted to spend it all day long.
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We were good.
We all took ourselves for Rockefeller.
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Since you have a hodgepodge
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of financial delinquents,
and behind that, real criminals,
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you have an explosive mix
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that's obviously going to lead
to bloodshed.
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{\an8}The trial for one of the most unbelievable
scams in decades has begun.
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Mardoché Mouly, Arnaud Mimran…
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The police consider them lords of scam.
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Carbon is a real story.
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What do you want me to say?
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You have to go from beginning to end.
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I don't want to tell you a useless story.
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I'm not gonna sell you short.
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That's it. I'm free!
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SUMMER
2020
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HAUTS DE SEINE JAIL
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Thank God I'm free.
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I'll have to see what the future holds.
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I'm going to have to learn
what there is to learn
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because you miss out on a lot
in seven years.
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Hello.
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My life has consisted
of so much adrenaline
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and has been so fast and so…
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My life passed me by. I'm 55 now.
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I'm jealous of people
who work like normal.
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Today, I have an electronic bracelet.
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I leave at 8:00 and come home at 8:00.
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FREE DURING THE DAY
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INCARCERATED AT NIGHT
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Damn it. I'm losing my hair.
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Oh no!
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Are you going to a tanning salon or not?
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-What?
-You look kind of pale.
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Yeah, I'm tired. You're funny.
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No, what you've chosen is all beige.
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Yeah, I'm sick of black.
I want to change colors a little.
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{\an8}When you wear beige,
it makes you look sick.
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{\an8}Red will give you a boost, okay?
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This is a piece I call "strong."
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I made it for Jason Derulo
to wear for his concerts.
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So this item is strong.
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You wear it like this.
You put the hood down when you eat.
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It's not too flashy?
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The purpose of clothing is to impress.
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If you want to dress like everyone else,
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go to whatever brand
and they'll give you clothes.
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I'm selling you an attitude.
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Otherwise, I'll give you
a three-piece suit
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and make sure your tie matches your thing…
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-That's not you.
-Okay, Ju.
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If you want to look sharp,
you can wear this.
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You can wear it
with a nice pair of loafers. Got any?
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We have to do something about your shoes
because they're unfashionable.
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-Wait. I got these because--
-No, you got them to throw out.
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I came from Tunis when I was really young.
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I brought a little sunshine,
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but I brought a little Tunis deviousness
which mixed with the old timers here.
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I regret everything I did.
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I'm glad I went to jail.
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Well, not that much. Seven years is a lot.
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Before, I did my business.
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It was the same thing with a little money.
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I was able to confuse the banks
and businessmen.
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I was able to confuse everyone,
but it was small.
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It was legal.
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There were some lies,
some not so good words.
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But it was still legal.
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If you got caught, okay, you'd get a fine.
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Can't you see I'm talking?
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-No, I'm talking. Don't you see?
-It's been an hour.
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I swear on my mother's life,
two more minutes.
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He's asking me questions.
I'll answer them and I'll come.
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Can't you see I don't give a shit?
It'll be two minutes.
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-It's been two.
-Let me introduce you to Serge Madar.
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Sit down, Serge.
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Serge Madar who's been in Belleville
for generations and generations.
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He worked with my grandfather.
He worked with my father.
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He worked with me.
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-Yell louder.
-Now he's looking for my son.
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What was Marco like as a kid?
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Same as always.
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He was the same,
but in a smaller category.
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Then he went up a few categories.
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He climbed the ladder.
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SERGE MADAR
AKA "THE OLD MAN"
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Speak. This isn't a book, Serge!
It's like you're reading a book.
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He was at the butcher shop.
He didn't stay with his dad for long.
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Yes, I did.
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One day, his father was making merguez.
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You make merguez with ground meat
and all the leftovers.
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-And he--
-Wait! No!
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-He peed in the bucket.
-No! Serge!
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Listen, don't put that in.
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-Those are things you don't do.
-You were young.
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Young or not, don't put that in.
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Above all, don't put that in.
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No, Serge, we're in front of a camera.
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No, 42 million people are gonna see this.
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What 42 million?
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With all the cameras,
you're gonna go to jail, Serge.
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-I'm telling you.
-I didn't do anything.
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You didn't?
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When did you work?
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Can we say what car you have outside?
You have a Porsche.
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So can we say how you got it?
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You're getting minimum wage.
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Hey, Dov.
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-Hi.
-Can I have one of your fricasses?
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Wait. Let me get it. What do you want?
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What's that?
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Nanou! What do you want?
A Tunisian platter or a sandwich?
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And with that,
a Tunisian platter for Nanou.
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I'm gonna take this.
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Stop bitching. Stop it.
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All right, go on.
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All day with your accounts.
We're tired of your accounts.
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You're right, but it's money, my friend.
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Yeah, it's money, but we're tired of it.
And how's your brother?
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-He's good.
-Yeah?
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I met Marco in Belleville,
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on rue Ramponeau,
where he worked at his father's place.
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And his real job, he was a butcher.
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He practiced his father's trade.
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BUTCHER SHOP
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It was a small butcher shop,
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and I remember next door
there was a courtyard
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where all our friends played cards.
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He came out from time to time
to see us, and he'd start playing.
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His dad would come out,
like, "What are you doing?"
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He'd go back to work.
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But he liked staying with those who played
because he liked card games.
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He loved all the games.
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But it was just for fun.
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'Cause we played in the garbage
with the old people.
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The old guys would steal
all our money at poker,
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meaning we didn't even know
what a poker card was
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and we wanted to play to win money.
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We played. We lost.
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Then they'd lend us money,
our money with interest all over again.
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Marco, after a while,
stopped working at the butcher shop
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because he was surrounded
by people in advertising.
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Really the bosses of advertising.
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Then he got an offer,
and that's when he started to develop.
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And since he was a really talented kid
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in terms of speaking
and expressing himself,
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that's how I saw him develop.
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That's when I discovered myself,
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where I really learned how to work.
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That's where I learned
how to be a wheeler-dealer.
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That's where I learned how to advertise.
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And I learned how to talk to people.
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Up to 50,000 merchants
would become victims
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of this gigantic scam.
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Gisèle Ambrosino, painter,
was one of them.
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Through a company,
she bought numerous ad inserts
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which were supposed to be
widely circulated.
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Her inserts, however,
only appeared in five magazines,
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only the ones she received.
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Marco was very astute
when it came to making money.
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He was very intelligent.
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He told stories. We believed him.
We drank up what he said.
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When you had a way with words
and knew how to sell things,
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it was easier to earn a living.
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I did this for two or three months.
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And then I quit right away out of fear.
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I don't think
it's a job I could've kept doing.
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At the home of one of the masterminds,
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investigators found
a significant amount of money.
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There you go. Here we have 510,000 euros.
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There you go. That's advertising.
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I don't want to tell you more
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'cause it's done. It's in the past.
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I was convicted for false advertising.
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Actually,
what I said over the phone wasn't true.
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I didn't know.
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I didn't know it wasn't true.
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Honestly, for real.
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Believe me, I didn't know.
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I found out after.
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Sure, you're always gonna say,
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"I didn't know in the beginning.
I found out after." It's true.
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But believe a wheeler-dealer
because I believe myself.
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I know you're laughing behind my back,
but you don't believe me.
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You can't believe him at all.
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You can't believe anything
Marco Mouly says. That's for sure.
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98,9% of what he says is a lie,
and 1,2% is true.
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DOMINIQUE GHEZ
AKA "DODO"
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Me and Marco were together 24/7.
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We were really close.
You could say we were like brothers.
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He's someone who,
regarding his sense of humor,
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could have discussions
with pretty important businessmen
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or bankers or suppliers.
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He's nice. I mean,
people found him charming right away.
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He's like the snake in The Jungle Book.
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I was born poor. I wasn't born rich.
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And that's how I advanced in life.
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I got interested in humans
with lots of money. Why?
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Because I wanted to learn
about their world.
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I started in Belleville.
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From Belleville, I was one
of the first to go to the 16th district.
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Well, the 16th district is flashy.
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From the 16th, I went to the 7th.
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The truly rich are in the 7th.
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After that,
I was told to go to Saint-Germain.
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There you go. My career was made on that.
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I followed people
at the same time as my career.
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Actually…
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I don't know how to say this,
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but my career followed the right people.
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And I only had the right people around me.
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GRÉGORY ZAOUI
"THE BRAIN"
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I met Marco Mouly in 1997.
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He bought my restaurant
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so he could partner with me
and understand what I did elsewhere.
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The restaurant was an excuse
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so he could get into
and learn what I was doing.
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Understand, above all.
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Understand and exploit.
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We created a company
in the cellular telephone sector.
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He knew a little about how VAT worked,
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but Mouly, at that point,
didn't really know
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how intra-community VAT fraud works.
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Greg is a genius.
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I mean, he found a loophole
in the phone industry.
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I didn't understand a thing.
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He did this and said that…
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I said, "Great! How much can we make?"
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He said, "So much,"
but I didn't know what we were doing.
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Actually, I thought
we were buying and selling phones.
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{\an8}You could buy from wholesalers,
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{\an8}who were mainly in Great Britain,
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{\an8}a large number of phones.
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{\an8}Since we're in the European Union,
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{\an8}you pay, let's say,
400 euros before tax per device.
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Back in France,
you resell them at the same price,
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but with tax.
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So, 480 euros, but the 80 euros of tax,
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instead of paying that to the state,
you keep it!
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It all adds up
when you sell thousands of units per day.
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Hello. My name is Marius-Cristian Frunza.
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I graduated from Polytechnique.
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{\an8}I did a PhD
in the economics of the carbon market.
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{\an8}Today, I live in London,
and I work in FinTech
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finding solutions
in the fight against financial crime.
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The creation
of the European single market in 1993
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opened new possibilities to scammers.
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Therefore, goods
can pass through countries unchecked.
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Obviously, scammers are going to buy,
for example, a truck of merchandise
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in Belgium for 100 euros.
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{\an8}You transport it to France.
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{\an8}Obviously, there's no check at the border.
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{\an8}You bring it to France
and you sell it for 120 euros.
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And the 20 euros of VAT
disappears into the scammers' pockets.
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That's like a business
that's guaranteed a 20% margin.
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CUSTOMS POLICE
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Customs police! Open up!
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Sixty million euros were taken from
the French tax authorities in four years.
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Around 30 fictional companies
based in Europe
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circulated thousands of cell phones
between them
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without ever declaring any VAT.
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{\an8}PATRICE AMAR
PROSECUTOR
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{\an8}We first saw Mardoché Mouly in reports
about tax fraud on telephone products.
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From the first reports
concerning Mardoché Mouly…
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No one calls me Mardoché.
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When they say, "Mouly, Mardoché,"
I say, "It's the cops."
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That's how I recognize the cops.
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We considered him a dangerous individual,
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both publicly and economically,
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with behavior that was… We didn't hesitate
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to call it parasitic behavior.
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We considered them, in a way,
as public targets,
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meaning people
who needed to be neutralized
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in the interest of everyone.
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{\an8}I also found myself in custody.
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That company was managed by me and him.
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But I trusted him entirely.
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And let's just say, at that time,
management wasn't his strong suit.
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I did nothing abnormal.
We got caught. I still got three years.
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But I don't hold it against him.
I was really mad at him for a long time.
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But that's passed.
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I'm not bitter.
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Is that the same as the iPhone?
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It's the same.
The iPhone I have is worth 400 big ones.
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What is it? Is it a fake or is it new?
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No, nothing. It's new.
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It's 5G. What are you talking about?
Stop being crazy.
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Do you have any in stock?
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I do. I have 15,000.
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-15,000?
-15… No.
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I don't have 15,000 in stock.
I have 1,000 in stock,
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but I ordered 15,000.
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I don't have the money to buy 15,000.
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That'll cost an arm and a leg.
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Another thing, do you have my money?
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-Tomorrow, God willing.
-No.
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Tomorrow, God willing.
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All right. I'm counting on you.
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You have my two bags of--
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I swear on my mother's life,
I will put pressure on you…
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like you've never felt in your life!
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Copy that, Marco.
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No… I don't have a cent for the weekend.
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I'm gonna give you 2,000. I have 3,000.
I'm gonna keep 1,000 for the weekend.
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Shut the fuck up! You have credit cards!
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I don't! I canceled them.
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I'm gonna give you 2,000 and keep 1,000.
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Okay, and when is the rest coming?
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End of the week, mid-afternoon.
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Then we'll be square.
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If you want.
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Well, yeah. This is tiring.
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Aside from that, what did you do?
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What did I do?
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Are you back with your wife?
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Are you not back together?
Are you all alone?
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We're back together.
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Do you think we can go faster?
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-Talk loudly.
-Can we go faster or not?
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A little, maybe.
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When Greg Zaoui steals or scams,
he thinks it's his job,
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meaning either I'm crazy when he speaks,
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or he really is crazy. I think he is.
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Hold on a second.
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I'm not criticizing Greg Zaoui
because I like Greg Zaoui, okay?
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But sometimes
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I don't know what's going on in his head.
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…should've returned…
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In 2004, when I found myself in jail
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for the business I was in
with Marco Mouly,
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I was in a cell with an older man
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who talked to me about environmentalism
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and who said the environmental market
was the future.
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He went on and on about environmentalism.
Environmentalism this and that.
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So when I got out,
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I took interest in it pretty quickly.
I tried to understand it.
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Melting in Greenland,
the sea level rising two to three meters…
368
00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,800
These are some of the realities
on the horizon for 2100.
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Global warning
is increasing faster than we thought.
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Floods have affected
hundreds of millions of people.
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Massive fires have hit California.
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It's no longer the time
for everyone for themselves.
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{\an8}Our home is burning.
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{\an8}JACQUES CHIRAC
PRESIDENT OF FRANCE 1995 - 2007
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{\an8}And we're looking the other way.
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We won't be able to say
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we didn't know.
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00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,440
And that sentence left an impression.
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Several people claim
to have come up with it.
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{\an8}Sometimes I even think it was me,
but it doesn't matter.
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We're in Kyoto.
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Thirty-eight countries
are finally finding common ground.
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Between now and 2012, they agree to reduce
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greenhouse emissions by 5,2%.
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The Kyoto Protocol highlighted
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how complex negotiations are.
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The Americans were saying to the Chinese,
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"You emit the most greenhouse gases."
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00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,280
But the Chinese said,
"Yeah, but per inhabitant,
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you emit four times more than us."
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So what economists
looking at the subject advised at the time
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was to put a price on carbon
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so everyone integrated
and had an interest in
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reducing their consumption
and use of fossil fuels.
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{\an8}By extending the Kyoto Protocol,
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{\an8}Europe took the initiative to create
the first pollution rights market.
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{\an8}Basically, companies
that emit a lot of CO2
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{\an8}can buy pollution offsets
from those who pollute less.
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I heard a lot about a market
that was going to emerge.
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The pollution rights market,
the carbon tax.
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00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,480
Well, I tried to understand
what it was about.
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00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,040
Direction, Paris.
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00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:56,880
We're at the offices of BlueNext,
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00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,440
one of the carbon-offset
exchange platforms.
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00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,560
We're at the heart of the carbon market.
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This is where buyers and sellers
carry out their transactions.
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00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,760
It's very simple. It's about regulation.
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00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,520
If they're ever over,
they must buy offsets on the market.
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And if they're not over,
they can sell what they haven't used.
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00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,200
I asked the million-dollar question.
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"Do these offsets have VAT?"
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A few days later,
I called them and asked to sign up.
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{\an8}The system's creators
made two serious mistakes.
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First, they over-simplified
the process to get into the market.
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Anybody, and I mean anybody,
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00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,920
could go off and set up a company
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and start
buying and selling emissions rights.
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I filled out the form.
I was the 21st to register.
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Second mistake,
they made their operations subject to VAT.
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Obviously, criminals didn't waste time
in taking advantage of this system.
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That's still great.
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{\an8}BERNARD PETIT
EX-CHIEF OF POLICE
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{\an8}What's unbelievable is
the capacity these organizations have
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to keep up
with the legislation and innovation.
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00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,720
You'd think they're subscribed
to Légifrance and read it before you.
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Before knowing what would happen
between 2008 and 2009
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00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,680
with the massive siphoning off of VAT,
428
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,720
yes, there was a trial run, a warm-up run,
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which was done
by someone known in the scamming world
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and who'd make a first attempt
and who knew that it worked.
431
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,880
I did a test with, I think, 30,000 euros.
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30,000 PRE-TAX
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I buy, I put them up for sale,
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and in a few minutes, a few seconds even,
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I was credited with 30,000 euros plus VAT.
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+6,000 VAT
36,000 WITH TAX
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00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,760
It seemed too easy.
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00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,760
Is there a catch? Something missing?
439
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,760
Because it was too easy.
It seemed too easy to me.
440
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,680
I gave the info to two people,
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00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,240
who then spread it to other people,
442
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:33,840
who then spread it to others.
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00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,200
And from that moment on,
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00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,680
it spreads among scammers
that there's something there.
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00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,200
From the test back in around 2005
446
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and the massive siphoning off
that started mid-2008
447
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,200
until the end of 2009,
448
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,760
this entire period was used to refine,
prepare, and set up the entire operation.
449
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,200
Why didn't we do carbon together?
450
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,960
Good question.
Because I didn't know there was carbon.
451
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,280
I didn't know about carbon.
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00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,360
I thought it was oxygen for firefighters,
453
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,680
and that's the truth.
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I understood carbon
at the end when I was convicted.
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00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,400
So let me explain.
At the time of carbon, I was broke.
456
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,080
And when I say broke, I mean broke.
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00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,680
I heard talk of carbon.
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00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,640
And one day, two people came to see me
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00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,360
and said, "Marco, we want to talk to you."
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00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,040
That's how it happened.
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00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:33,920
"We have to talk to you."
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00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,000
I said, "Yeah, go ahead. Talk."
463
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,680
They said,
"We know you're all in on carbon."
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00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,840
No, I don't even know what carbon is!
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00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,320
And I said, "Yeah. Okay,
who told you I was into carbon?"
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00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:47,400
"Nobody knows."
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00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,960
"And I don't want it to be known."
468
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,440
-No, I--
-You're bluffing.
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00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,200
I had to bluff!
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00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,720
They said, "There, Marco.
We're making five mil a week."
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00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,040
And they say, "It's Greg."
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00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,880
-Why?
-I say, "Show me Greg's invoices."
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00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,400
And then I saw all of Greg's invoices.
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00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,280
That's how I got into this business,
475
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,480
'cause I saw real money.
476
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,640
That's what I'm saying.
I got into carbon because of you,
477
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,120
because I saw your invoices.
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00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,960
-There you go.
-I didn't know.
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00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,160
A guy like Zaoui
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00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,240
had a registration number at BlueNext.
481
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,000
But Zaoui doesn't trade.
He only trades for himself.
482
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,480
He doesn't trade for others.
Only for himself.
483
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,120
Why is a trader important?
484
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,040
Why is a trader important?
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00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,560
Teams have nothing without a trader.
486
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,680
They have computers that are useless.
487
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,360
A broker gives access to the market.
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So he's the gateway.
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00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,120
{\an8}Normally, he's required to go through
a certain amount of verification,
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00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,240
{\an8}particularly verification
concerning fiscal obligations
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00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,320
of the companies he works with.
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00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:03,360
Therefore, the broker
also gains the trust of BlueNext.
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00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,520
So having a broker who already exists
and isn't a company
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00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,480
and doesn't just appear overnight
to work in carbon
495
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,400
is an excellent business card
to have to get started.
496
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,520
Six months later,
497
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,280
I found the best trader in all of France.
498
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,600
{\an8}Klapucki.
499
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,440
What did I do?
I looked for his phone number.
500
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,120
I found it.
501
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,040
He says, "What's this about?"
I say, "I need to discuss some things."
502
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:41,040
He says, "Okay."
503
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:44,040
The guy meets me at the Ritz in Warsaw.
504
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,600
{\an8}WARSAW - POLAND
505
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,760
I'm dressed to the nines.
506
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,520
I waited an hour until 5:00 pm.
507
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,520
At 5:00 pm, he calls me and says,
508
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,760
"Yes, hello. Who are you?"
509
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,240
And then I start talking about VAT.
510
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,160
I say, "Everyone knows you take VAT.
You're going to jail."
511
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,840
The guy starts shitting himself.
512
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,200
I say, "Don't worry."
513
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,600
"I have it under control.
I can stop you from going to jail."
514
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,920
"I know you don't charge VAT
since you're a trader,
515
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,920
and abroad, you don't pay VAT."
516
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,360
"But you still provide
an important piece in producing VAT."
517
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,840
The guy was all red, all white…
518
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,320
I had him. That was it. He was mine.
519
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,320
The guy says, "Okay, Marco, as you wish.
How do we do this?"
520
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,200
I say, "Here's what we're gonna do."
521
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,280
"Every client that calls you,
I'll watch them
522
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,480
and I say yes or no. Does that work?"
523
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,760
Marco Mouly had this relationship
with a broker that he found
524
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,120
who was his most valuable cog
in the mechanism.
525
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,760
After that, I was the boss.
526
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,440
Everywhere, all the teams,
they kissed my ass.
527
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,600
Everyone was telling me,
"Marco, you're the most handsome."
528
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,200
Before that, no one spoke to me.
529
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,560
So you have the one who brings
the broker, which was Mardoché Mouly.
530
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,680
Thanks, Alain.
531
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,960
And then you have the logistics,
which was provided by Samy Souied,
532
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,480
who already actually had some experience
533
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,160
{\an8}in classic tax fraud
534
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,440
{\an8}of physical products, dare I say,
535
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,600
{\an8}and who, from Israel where he lived,
536
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:24,120
{\an8}was particularly able to send orders
to brokers and the market over the phone
537
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,960
and transfer accounts from a distance.
538
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,760
{\an8}Samy's always been a brother, a friend.
539
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,960
{\an8}And we'd argue,
540
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,560
{\an8}meaning we wouldn't talk
for 360 out of 365 days a year.
541
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,720
{\an8}And Samy grew up
a lot faster than everyone else
542
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,480
thanks to his brothers
543
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,200
and thanks to his father,
544
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,480
who was a jeweler in Belleville
and had clubs in Montmartre.
545
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,640
He had money before there was money.
546
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,920
How can I explain it?
547
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,720
People want money,
but they had money's money.
548
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,640
Marco Mouly and Samy Souied are neighbors.
They have family ties.
549
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,320
{\an8}They're from the same place.
550
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,640
{\an8}They started their first scams together
with the ad inserts.
551
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,440
And they started doing
the dirty work for the scams.
552
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,560
They'd pick up the checks
from the businesses who were scammed.
553
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,320
That's when they started
getting into trouble with the law.
554
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,000
{\an8}Samy Souied isn't
an exuberant or extravagant guy at all.
555
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,920
{\an8}We know this.
He's pretty discreet, pretty quiet.
556
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,240
He's more a guy
who's tight with his money.
557
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,160
He was very mindful.
558
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,640
He wouldn't go blowing wads of cash
on a night out in Paris doing whatever.
559
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,080
He would've preferred
to lock up his savings.
560
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,160
In comparison,
Marco Mouly was the opposite.
561
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Samy liked to be discreet,
always with his wife and kids.
562
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,360
Then there was my side, which he loved.
563
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,160
My side, which he wanted,
but couldn't have.
564
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,120
So we'd hang out with each other.
565
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,280
When we went into serious discussions,
I'd let Samy speak.
566
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,160
He'd say, "Above all, stay quiet."
567
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,520
"Not a word."
"Okay, Samy, not a word."
568
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,280
"Why did I come
if you don't want me to say a word?"
569
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,880
He said,
"If I can't handle it, you attack."
570
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,120
Okay. So we get to the meeting. "Hello."
571
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,360
He says, "So, Marco, are you okay?"
"No, Samy said not to say a word."
572
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,440
Right away his plan
for the discussion fell apart.
573
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,000
But I loved to watch him because
I wanted to get into the discussion.
574
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,480
So Samy Souied,
after working in false ad inserts,
575
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,880
was under investigation
and would have legal issues
576
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,480
because he was suspected
of laundering money
577
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,360
that he stole, or actually scammed,
with fake ads in horse racing.
578
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,320
He was nicknamed the Hippodrome Big Shot.
579
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,040
He even bought two racehorses,
580
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,360
Jeanbat du Vivier and Kesaco Phédo.
581
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,360
What a horse! What a show-off!
582
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,120
Kesaco Phédo, you've delighted us.
583
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,200
{\an8}Samy did his aliyah,
according to some people,
584
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,000
{\an8}because he felt he was in danger in France
and he thought it was time to leave.
585
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,880
But his entourage also says
he was always very Zionist,
586
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,560
very active in the Jewish community,
587
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,360
and he absolutely wanted to live in Israel
at some point.
588
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,640
And a few months later,
he hears about a "gas exchange"
589
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,000
and asks someone close to him
to find out what it's about.
590
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,360
The person comes back saying,
"It's not gas. It's CO2."
591
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,960
The people who participated
in the CO2 scam in Israel
592
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,840
totaled maybe 10, 20, 30.
593
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,840
They generally speak French,
a little Hebrew.
594
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:00,440
But it's really, numbers-wise,
a small world within Israeli society.
595
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,160
Really a microcosm.
596
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,200
And so they really live together.
597
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,080
{\an8}What you have to understand is,
in the beginning,
598
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,800
{\an8}Samy Souied didn't work with Marco Mouly.
He had another team.
599
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,440
He started another team
with other associates. It didn't go well.
600
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,840
This was in the fall of 2008.
They were running behind.
601
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,640
It wasn't going well. They split up.
He was looking for new associates.
602
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,720
That's when Marco Mouly went to see him.
603
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,280
He was in direct contact with the trader,
604
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,360
Jaroslav Klapucki.
605
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Initially, Samy Souied was reluctant
to associate with Marco Mouly.
606
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,040
He didn't trust him.
He knew he talked a lot.
607
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,160
But Marco Mouly had an ace up his sleeve.
608
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,120
He had a financial backer
who could put eight million on the table.
609
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,600
That backer was Arnaud Mimran.
610
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,160
{\an8}ÉMILIE FRÈCHE
NOVELIST, CHILDHOOD FRIEND
611
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,080
{\an8}I met Arnaud when I was 15.
612
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,240
He was someone
who'd always wear linen suits in summer,
613
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,240
who'd have kind of long hair.
614
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,920
It was like Florida in the 16th district.
615
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,160
I remember him as a boy
who always had cash in his pockets,
616
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,840
who drove… He loved beautiful cars.
617
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,080
There you go.
He was someone who was flamboyant
618
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,440
and who stood out
in his world of Parisian Jews
619
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,040
in the 16th district, super classy, super…
620
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,400
He has a "fuck you" side.
621
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,600
I think that's pretty nice
'cause it's like someone out of a novel.
622
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,840
When he married Anna,
623
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,880
he married the daughter of a billionaire,
624
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Claude Dray.
625
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,440
{\an8}I was good friends with his future wife.
626
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,920
{\an8}Her name was Anna Dray.
627
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Actually, there were four Dray sisters
628
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,000
spoiled rotten by their father,
629
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,200
who was rolling in money.
630
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,880
Looking back,
they were kind of like the Kardashians.
631
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,600
The father could never tell them no,
632
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,880
{\an8}but he was a good person.
633
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,000
{\an8}Claude and Arnaud always seemed close.
634
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,080
He was always the beloved son-in-law.
635
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,680
Arnaud played that game right away.
636
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,320
As soon as he married Anna,
he moved on to other things.
637
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,080
Would he have married Anna
if she had been poor?
638
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:35,800
I don't know.
639
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,440
That guy looks like Satan with his broom.
640
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,160
You could say a wizard.
641
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,600
He scared me.
642
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,200
Where did you find that guy?
643
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,480
You didn't pay him, did you?
You must've, I swear.
644
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,480
Arnaud was someone
whose name and reputation I knew.
645
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,200
And he knew my reputation.
646
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,920
And when people reach perfection
when it comes to money and business,
647
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,880
everyone wants to meet
and do business with each other.
648
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,240
So when Arnaud came,
we saw each other in Deauville.
649
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,320
We went out of our way to meet.
650
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,240
Please, Arnaud, come tell us all about it.
651
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,600
Come on, Arnaud!
652
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,040
Look at this playboy.
653
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,680
I swear on my mother's life.
Look at this playboy.
654
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,640
This is Arnaud Mimran.
655
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,080
It's him! He's here!
656
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,560
Arnaud Mimran and Mardoché Mouly
don't come from the same world.
657
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,840
{\an8}And the only territory
in which they could meet
658
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,520
was actually on the green felt
in a game room.
659
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,880
Arnaud Mimran thinks, without a doubt,
660
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:52,960
that Mardoché Mouly is
a fun, mischievous, but inoffensive boy.
661
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,680
And Mardoché Mouly thinks
662
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,880
that Arnaud Mimran is free
663
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,000
from the constraints of etiquette,
664
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,440
eager to mix with bad people,
665
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,200
and immensely wealthy.
666
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,760
At that time, Marco was,
667
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,040
let's say, kind of broke.
668
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,920
He didn't have much money.
669
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,560
{\an8}There was a third person,
670
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,960
{\an8}who Marco called
and told to come to Deauville.
671
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,880
{\an8}He wanted
to eventually introduce him to Arnaud.
672
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,160
And Arnaud wanted to meet him,
673
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,000
because he'd heard about him.
674
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,080
So Marco got his family and his car,
675
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,240
rushed to Deauville, and they met.
676
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,440
I got to the casino.
There was a roulette table.
677
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,960
And I kept playing eight.
678
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,840
It didn't come up.
679
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,480
In the end, I had 10,000 euros left.
680
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,120
I bet it on eight.
681
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,000
And I said in my head,
"If it doesn't come up,
682
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,440
I'm taking my shoes
and smashing them on eight."
683
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,720
I was there and eight didn't come up.
684
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,640
I smashed it.
685
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,880
That's the shoe story.
686
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,080
Everyone burst out laughing, even Arnaud,
687
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,080
because no one can do that
at a game table.
688
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,840
He smiled. That meant he liked it.
689
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,240
He liked the gesture.
It was the same for him.
690
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,000
Arnaud says, "Would you like
to come over for dinner?"
691
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,360
I get to his house, big table, caterers…
692
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,440
I see bankers, businessmen, everyone.
693
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,560
I thought,
"This is my chance to make it all back."
694
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,640
My wife arrives and says,
"Marco, this is amazing."
695
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,480
She said, "Man, you better work.
I want one like this."
696
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,760
Arnaud was someone
who was in the stock market.
697
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,760
He hung around on the big exchanges.
698
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,960
To us, he was loaded.
699
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,080
{\an8}At first, Arnaud Mimran
was a complete stranger
700
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,480
{\an8}in the world of VAT
701
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,960
and tax fraud.
702
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,120
Arnaud Mimran had mostly existed
703
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,080
in financial markets as a trader,
704
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,320
as an associate
at a management company called 3A Trade.
705
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:09,520
He was the talk of the town, dare I say,
706
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,880
at the stock market operations commission
707
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,920
for making a series of moves
that were suspicious.
708
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,360
He was never sentenced.
We must be clear about that.
709
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,720
It was insider trading.
710
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,920
Arnaud Mimran had a surprising
bad-boy-from-a-nice-neighborhood side.
711
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,360
You could just as easily see him
in high society
712
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:35,040
{\an8}as with a former ex-drug trafficker
or robber.
713
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,720
And then three weeks later,
he'd find himself in Tel Aviv
714
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,160
at a charity dinner to raise funds
for Bibi Netanyahu's Likud party.
715
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,760
Why were the Souieds and Moulys
fascinated by him?
716
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,960
Because Mimran was in another league.
717
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,440
Since he was little,
he'd spent time with other people
718
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,840
and had a real list of contacts.
719
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,280
He grew up in the 16th district.
He knew respectable and honorable people.
720
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,120
He was part of high society, basically.
721
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,720
He wasn't a fake. He is from that world.
722
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,440
He's from the world of the rich
and established people.
723
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,760
The other two, obviously,
who grew up in Belleville… No.
724
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,400
They really were fascinated
725
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,600
because they always wanted
to be what he was.
726
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,600
And for the first time,
they had the means to be like that.
727
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,480
Well, they didn't exactly fit in,
but they had the means.
728
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:28,440
{\an8}In the beginning, they need to find
a way to introduce themselves.
729
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,280
{\an8}Actually, they need investors
730
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,320
who are going to put up some money.
731
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,840
It's like creating a start-up.
732
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,600
Arnaud Mimran is someone
who went through higher education
733
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,880
and made his way
through the financial markets.
734
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,640
You'd think he could maybe bring
some technical skills as well
735
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:55,720
since the way the carbon-offset market
is run is actually
736
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,760
much more like a financial market
737
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,880
than the cellphones,
738
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,920
which are basically sold in stores.
739
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,040
{\an8}What you have to understand
is this type of infraction, at this level,
740
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,440
assumes, quote, unquote,
some financial engineering is needed
741
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,320
to create fictional companies
all over the world
742
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,680
and open offshore accounts everywhere.
743
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,080
First off, most importantly,
my job was basically the banks,
744
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,280
meaning when it came down to business,
745
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,440
I knew how to talk to bankers.
746
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,400
When you go see a banker,
you need to come with a story.
747
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,920
You don't show up with a failing company
748
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,600
and say, "Hello.
Would you mind if I told you…"
749
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,680
"Yes. How much turnover is there?"
That's pointless.
750
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,200
I arrive. "Hello, sir."
751
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,080
"I'm here as I inherited
300 million euros from my father."
752
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,080
"Well, I'm gonna give you a chance."
753
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,040
"I want to set something up
to see how you do,
754
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,160
and if it's good,
I'll bring my portfolio to you."
755
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,960
The banker shakes like crazy.
756
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,680
He rolls out the red carpet,
but the company is worth zero.
757
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,000
But you always have to give him
a good story.
758
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:06,800
{\an8}NICOSIA - CYPRUS
759
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,280
One time, I went to Cyprus
to open some accounts.
760
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,120
I went to Cyprus. I went with staff.
761
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,120
What's that? I took a secretary.
I dress her to the nines, suit…
762
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,000
I buy a briefcase.
763
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,360
It's empty,
just a pen and a piece of paper.
764
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,080
I take a fake bodyguard
with a walkie-talkie.
765
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,360
But if you blow on this guy,
he'll fall over.
766
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,760
But he weighs 400 kilos.
767
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,840
So I get to the bank.
I didn't know this was gonna happen.
768
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,080
I thought it was gonna be really hard.
769
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,320
I look at the bank.
It has a weird Cypriot name.
770
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,840
But it was like a pizzeria.
771
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,000
The banker said, "Carbon. Really good.
Account with us. Really good."
772
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,960
And we went in and opened the account.
773
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,160
In the spring of 2008,
774
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:49,600
the market was explosive.
775
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,160
In fact, that was
typical of artificial transactions
776
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,560
because the only thing
all those people were interested in
777
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,800
was collecting VAT without paying it.
778
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,720
People think it's complicated,
but it's child's play. It's really simple.
779
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,000
Child's play?
780
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Well, now, let's not exaggerate,
but I'm gonna try to explain it.
781
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,560
You've opened two companies,
782
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,800
one in France and one
in another country in the European Union.
783
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,320
Your German company buys
carbon offsets for one million euros
784
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,040
on the BlueNext exchange.
785
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Since it's an exchange between
two countries of the European Union,
786
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:33,000
there's no VAT.
787
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:37,280
Then your German company
resells your offsets
788
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,720
{\an8}to your company based in France.
789
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,200
{\an8}And now your French company
790
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,000
{\an8}resells it all to BlueNext.
791
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,960
{\an8}Since both are in France, VAT applies
792
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,480
{\an8}and you get 1,2 million.
793
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,720
{\an8}In principle, you should pay
that 200,000 euros of VAT to the state,
794
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,120
{\an8}unless you disappear and you send
that money to offshore accounts.
795
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,640
In a few minutes, you've earned,
796
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,080
sorry, stolen 200,000 euros.
797
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,280
And then you start again
798
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,400
and again.
799
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,640
And you circulate that money
between Hong Kong, Singapore,
800
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,560
any tax haven.
801
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,080
Some people stopped
802
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,320
after pocketing a few million euros.
803
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,240
But others,
like the Mimran-Mouly-Souied trio,
804
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,680
preferred playing to the very end.
805
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Just like poker addicts
806
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,280
who say "all in" every time
before they've even seen their cards.
807
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:56,040
So every day, they'd put in
all that they'd earned?
808
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,080
I think several times a day.
809
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,920
Every time you do a transaction,
you make 20% profit,
810
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,440
which is still quite a lot.
811
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,200
I don't think there's an equivalent return
in the honest economy.
812
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,960
No financial return is that significant.
813
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,720
So it moved really quickly.
814
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,280
So Samy Souied set up a team.
815
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,440
{\an8}Everyone had a very specific role.
816
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,480
{\an8}The important thing
was not to get caught red-handed.
817
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,880
You had to work all day,
especially in front of a computer.
818
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,400
A computer and a phone
is all you need to do the job.
819
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,400
The hours were long. And to avoid
getting caught, they switched.
820
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,360
For a few days, this would take place
in a hotel room in Tel Aviv.
821
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,640
Then they'd move to a house in Herzliya
822
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,040
and then move again.
823
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:58,120
During the eight months
the scam took place,
824
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,680
Marco didn't stay in Israel all the time.
He went back and forth.
825
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,880
We know this because we saw
his arrivals and departures
826
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,200
in the police reports
via Ben Gurion Airport.
827
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,160
Incidentally, we saw he met
Arnaud Mimran on several dates in Israel.
828
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:14,280
He came to supervise.
829
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,000
Sometimes he went
to develop some things with Samy,
830
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,560
who he asked to solicit traders.
831
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,960
He was the salesman of the group,
so he had a specific role.
832
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,480
From time to time, he needed to be there.
833
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,960
In October 2008,
I heard, via word of mouth,
834
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,160
that Marco Mouly was in that market.
835
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:35,560
I thought, "It won't be long."
836
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,920
When he shows up somewhere,
837
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,440
nothing ever survives.
838
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000
Bank of France's doors were wide open.
839
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,360
You could go in
and fill your cart with money.
840
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,760
Well, yeah. That's the truth.
841
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,120
But, unfortunately,
I didn't touch a franc.
842
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,720
And I didn't participate in that.
843
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,080
The judges had forbidden me
from leaving the country.
844
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,280
I couldn't go to Vegas or anywhere.
I stayed in France.
845
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,760
They invited me, but I couldn't go.
846
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,720
I couldn't join in the fun.
847
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,440
The 777 is a private jet from Las Vegas
848
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,920
that belongs to the Wynn,
849
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,440
and it comes
to pick up the biggest clients.
850
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,280
They got us an Oriental orchestra
851
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:24,840
to amuse and entertain us
and to get us into the mood
852
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,000
so they can take the money we had.
853
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,920
We burst out laughing.
854
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,000
We knew we were suckers.
855
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,840
You get to Las Vegas for three nights.
"Yes, Mr. Mouly."
856
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,760
"Yes, the Rolls is waiting for you."
857
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,160
You have three million dollars
at your disposal.
858
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,640
You understand nothing.
You go, "Really? That's all?"
859
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,280
You think you're Puff Daddy.
860
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,680
You go to the restaurant.
861
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,360
The guy serves you
a $45,000-bottle of wine.
862
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,280
It's good.
863
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,280
But you don't even know
if it's water or wine.
864
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,720
Anyone else would've hidden it.
865
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,040
Maybe he was actually afraid.
866
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,400
He wanted to spend all day long.
867
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,160
It's hard to spend.
868
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:18,880
I challenge you to spend 100, 200K a day.
869
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,120
The world's lushest palaces.
870
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,360
A maid who stays in the room 24/7.
871
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,560
You get up anytime.
872
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,360
If you need some candy,
they put it in your mouth.
873
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,240
You don't want it to end.
I always needed something.
874
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,640
I say, "Well done,"
to the creator of Las Vegas
875
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:46,680
Well done. It's Disneyland for adults.
876
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,040
That's what Las Vegas is.
877
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,800
There were main characters
who were actual people,
878
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,720
and there were supporting actors,
879
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,000
which were Ferraris, McLarens, Rolexes,
880
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,360
and poker tables.
881
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,600
One day, Arnaud was in Vegas with Samy.
882
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,080
Samy lost at least 1,5 million euros.
883
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,720
Arnaud said, "You're not paying
for anything. I'll pay."
884
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,840
"It's my treat."
885
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,840
Arnaud didn't give a shit about money.
886
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,920
Whether he makes it or not,
he just wants to have fun.
887
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,120
His life is made up of fun.
888
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,280
His life is made up of pleasure.
889
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,080
What does that mean?
One day, I was in a game of poker,
890
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,480
and he said to a guy,
891
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,720
"Eat two bananas with the peel,
and I'll give you 30,000."
892
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,320
I wanted to eat the bananas.
893
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,240
The guy takes two bananas.
894
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,720
He eats them.
895
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,160
He pays him 30,000.
896
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,440
Ten minutes later, he falls to the ground.
897
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,160
We had to call him an ambulance.
898
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:42,480
DECEMBER 2008 - JANUARY 2009
899
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,360
-Come on.
-It's coming from everywhere.
900
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:47,840
Vegas is crazy.
901
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,280
They go to Las Vegas
and blow millions of euros
902
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,360
that they knew they'd lose that night.
903
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:53,640
But what did they want?
904
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,280
To be seen losing those millions of euros.
905
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,760
That's all they cared about.
906
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,000
If being a millionaire
means going to live in the Amazon jungle
907
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,200
and eating rubber,
they wouldn't give a shit.
908
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,560
At some point,
they were in a nightclub in Marrakech,
909
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:12,880
and they started throwing bank notes
from the mezzanine.
910
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,800
It's like a Scorsese movie.
911
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,880
Like being in The Wolf of Wall Street
or being Gordon Gekko.
912
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,320
Mardoché Mouly said, at some point,
Samy showed him a life he didn't know.
913
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,600
He showed him an aspect of life
he wasn't aware of,
914
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,840
and it was absolutely amazing.
915
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,360
Jet setting, everything you wanted,
916
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,880
which was really life
in a glossy magazine.
917
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,400
When you give me millions of euros,
918
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,920
and I'm talking bills, money,
919
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,280
the truth is, I can't read or write.
920
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,480
I earn money like it's air.
921
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,440
How do you expect me
to understand the power of money?
922
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,200
They give it to me. I take it. I spend it.
923
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,240
It's no longer rational.
The sums were so huge.
924
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,360
It was hundreds of millions of euros.
Eventually, they'd bought everything.
925
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,720
Once you've bought
926
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,920
your first Bentley, the second, the tenth,
the fourth apartment,
927
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,160
the money isn't real anymore.
928
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:14,680
They rented jets. They took
the whole family for a weekend in Panama.
929
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,400
The spending was surreal.
930
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,280
When you see what he spends
on jewelry, watches…
931
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:28,880
{\an8}Carbon tax money is as despicable
as money won from gambling.
932
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,360
The process itself isn't brilliant.
933
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,280
That money makes anything possible,
934
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,560
but it's worthless.
935
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:42,800
You're asking me how much I made?
936
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,840
Would you believe me
if I said even I don't know?
937
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,400
So in the case file for this trio,
938
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,200
Mardoché Mouly,
Arnaud Mimran, and Samy Souied,
939
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,840
the amount in damages
came to 283 million euros,
940
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,480
which is substantial and pretty massive.
941
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:16,880
{\an8}BLUENEXT OFFICES
PARIS
942
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,200
How did BlueNext realize
943
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,920
there was something suspicious
happening on their exchange?
944
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,720
Finding out was gradual.
945
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,160
{\an8}This is a new market
on which no information was available.
946
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:30,920
{\an8}DAVID RAPIN
BLUENEXT DEVELOPMENT MANAGER
947
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,440
{\an8}And BlueNext and its partners
identified, starting in October 2008,
948
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,360
some abnormal activity,
949
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,120
which didn't reflect
the reality expected in this market.
950
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,520
{\an8}COUNTRY: CYPRUS
951
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,680
{\an8}D.3: SENSITIVE TRANSACTION FROM/TO
HIGH-RISK COUNTRY (SIGNIFICANT AMT)
952
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,160
{\an8}D.4: CARBON - SENSITIVE TRANSACTION
FROM/TO HIGH-RISK COUNTRY
953
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,520
Before October 2008,
954
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,560
{\an8}not many people even knew
about the carbon market.
955
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,040
{\an8}My analysts didn't and neither did I.
956
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:07,920
{\an8}So we had to learn everything.
957
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,120
At the beginning of June 2009,
when the minister announced
958
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,920
what would be the end
of VAT on the carbon exchange,
959
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,600
we were finally able, if I may say,
960
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,840
to make our estimates
a little more concrete.
961
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,440
The difference between the exchange
a day before and the day after
962
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,360
is what corresponds roughly
to the fraud market.
963
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:36,320
Nothing allowed us at TRACFIN to be aware
964
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,840
that the exchange could be
80 or even 90% corrupt.
965
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,880
When we started to add up
966
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,120
the suspicious transactions
we were warned about,
967
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,760
it came to tens of millions.
968
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:57,680
Obviously, I had no idea,
in January and February 2009,
969
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,760
of the impact this would have
two, three months later.
970
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:20,240
{\an8}RENAUD VAN RUYMBEKE
FORMER INVESTIGATIVE JUDGE
971
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,440
{\an8}I tell you, that case,
972
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,040
I think I worked on it for eight years.
973
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,240
I'm ashamed when I say that because
974
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,800
even if a case takes
two, three, four years…
975
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,280
What was hard about it was that obviously
we only had a small piece of the puzzle.
976
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,040
We didn't know a whole series of things.
977
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,200
We didn't know what we didn't know.
978
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,240
There was a whole part of the reality
that escaped us.
979
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,120
It was like putting together a puzzle
980
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,840
which you know
is comprised of 1,000 pieces,
981
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,800
and we had, in general,
20 or 30 pieces in front of us.
982
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:10,240
However far we got, after six months,
a year, we still understood nothing.
983
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,920
There were dummy corporations,
many companies involved,
984
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,080
companies that were a front,
fake companies,
985
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:19,800
transactions all over the place,
986
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,320
and a whole series of offshore accounts.
987
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,280
I've rarely seen an investigation
988
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:29,120
where, from the start,
you have no idea who you're looking for.
989
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,040
Who is actually responsible?
990
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,240
The real people responsible.
Not the straw man.
991
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,200
I always told the investigators,
"I don't care about the straw men."
992
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,080
If I want a straw man manager, it's you.
993
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,880
Tomorrow, you're a straw man manager.
994
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,640
I could go online tomorrow,
995
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,080
type your name and everything,
996
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:02,160
and I could get your birth certificate,
get a passport made, and it's done.
997
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:03,360
You become a straw man.
998
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,000
I told the investigators,
"I don't care about these 50 people."
999
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,720
"Figure it out. I don't want to know."
1000
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,800
I didn't find out who they were.
I didn't want to know.
1001
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,880
"But I do want to know who is behind it."
1002
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,800
I didn't go looking for straw men.
1003
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,680
The accountant did. He made the companies.
1004
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,160
He took housekeepers,
mailmen, taxi drivers,
1005
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,400
and put them in the company.
1006
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,280
He'd sell the whole company
keys in hand with the bank.
1007
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,280
He'd sell a company to all the teams
for 200,000 euros.
1008
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,240
Everyone was buying
four or five companies a week
1009
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,960
because if you didn't have
several companies, you were dead, buried
1010
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,600
because they had to declare
their VAT each month.
1011
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,520
{\an8}Only a small number of companies
are subject to a tax audit.
1012
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,840
That permissiveness gave scammers the time
1013
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,120
to pack their bags and leave.
1014
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,320
So there was no need to do the accounting.
1015
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,200
You open three companies in Hong Kong,
and then as you're leaving the bank…
1016
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,200
You know what they give you?
1017
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:11,800
They give you a token.
1018
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,480
So that also took me
some time to understand.
1019
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,400
The token is a remote code generator,
1020
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,640
which allows me, the patron,
1021
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,880
to do all my transactions remotely.
1022
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,840
So with the millions
you have in Hong Kong,
1023
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,760
you can send some to Singapore.
1024
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,800
You can send some to Dubai.
1025
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,760
Israel, Morocco, Cyprus,
1026
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,480
and go around the world
in a day if you want.
1027
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,520
With one click.
1028
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,400
When I investigate the accounts,
it takes me a year per account.
1029
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,520
So I was beaten. No contest.
1030
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:54,680
It's magic, yeah,
1031
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,280
but it was still too easy
for them to make money.
1032
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,080
Don't you think?
1033
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,000
{\an8}I don't remember being aware at the time
1034
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,560
that there was a flaw in the system
1035
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,800
with subjecting the offsets to VAT.
1036
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,560
Quite honestly, I didn't know at the time
1037
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,520
because I couldn't imagine that something
1038
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,960
that should create a virtuous cycle
would create a vicious cycle.
1039
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,680
History shows us
we should never underestimate mischief
1040
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,560
and as soon as you allow a loophole,
1041
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,520
there are always disgruntled people
who'll take advantage of it.
1042
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,600
{\an8}Marco Mouly
1043
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,200
{\an8}Some people make history
1044
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,880
{\an8}And some tell it
1045
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,840
{\an8}I'm gonna tell it for you
1046
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,840
{\an8}Okay, go ahead.
1047
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,560
{\an8}From Belleville to Geneva
1048
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,480
{\an8}Via Monaco
1049
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,440
{\an8}Yet I can tell you one thing
1050
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,680
{\an8}All that is worth nothing
1051
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,880
{\an8}Several people came to see me
1052
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,400
and wanted to write a song about me.
1053
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,680
And for fun, I said,
"Okay, but I do the lyrics."
1054
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,360
And I made up some lyrics.
1055
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:00,760
{\an8}I'm the best-looking liar
1056
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,920
{\an8}Call me thief or crook
1057
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000
{\an8}But if I pass you and I like you
1058
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,920
{\an8}I will never let you down
1059
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,240
{\an8}That's it. I'm free!
1060
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,040
{\an8}Back to have some fun
1061
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,160
{\an8}They wanted to finish me off
1062
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,200
{\an8}But God didn't leave me
1063
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,160
{\an8}That's it. I'm free!
1064
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,280
{\an8}Back to have some fun
1065
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,440
{\an8}Marco Mouly
1066
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,720
{\an8}Sorry, Mr. President!
1067
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,680
{\an8}I am crazy
1068
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,080
{\an8}I did this for my mom!
1069
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,880
{\an8}Marco Mouly
1070
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,560
{\an8}Mr. President!
1071
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,960
{\an8}I am crazy
1072
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,920
{\an8}I want to make up the time
1073
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,840
{\an8}I've never stayed in place
1074
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,800
{\an8}But I knew how to stay classy
1075
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,800
{\an8}If you look for me, don't call me
1076
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,600
{\an8}I'm surely in a palace
1077
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,960
{\an8}Marco Mouly
1078
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,240
{\an8}Sorry, Mr. President!
1079
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,000
{\an8}I am crazy
1080
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,080
{\an8}I did this for my mom!
1081
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:54,960
Thank you.
1082
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,840
He's so funny. He's totally insane.
1083
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,200
But I still like him.
1084
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,120
The only appreciation I had
seeing these crooks
1085
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,000
{\an8}was, maybe,
a certain sense of reasonable humility
1086
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,520
{\an8}when you tell yourself
1087
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,600
these crooks knocked you down so hard
1088
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,440
that it was hard to get back up.
1089
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,840
In retrospect, I thought
I was perfectly capable of doing it.
1090
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,760
Well, I wasn't smart enough to do it.
1091
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,360
Except I'm not in prison or dead,
1092
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,960
which is an advantage.
1093
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,280
SEPTEMBER 14, 2010
1094
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,320
{\an8}I never would've thought
1095
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,600
{\an8}that it would get dangerous.
1096
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,280
{\an8}Not possible.
I would've bet my life on it.
1097
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,040
That night, I was at a cafe
in the 17th district playing belote
1098
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,280
with quite a few friends,
one being Marco Mouly.
1099
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,840
We were there having fun, playing belote,
1100
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,120
having a few drinks and all.
1101
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,680
We got a call saying, "They shot Samy."
1102
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,560
I called someone who said,
"Souied was killed at Porte Maillot."
1103
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:22,360
And I left in tears.
I went straight to Porte Maillot.
1104
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,160
And we couldn't get close.
1105
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,360
It was awful.
1106
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,680
CONFERENCE CENTER
1107
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:42,160
We all went to Porte Maillot
and saw the police, firefighters,
1108
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,600
and a body lying on the ground.
1109
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,680
I knew it was over
when the sheet came out.
1110
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:54,040
{\an8}EXHIBIT A - VICTIM
1111
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,560
I didn't see it coming.
1112
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,760
I really didn't,
and even now, I still don't see it.
1113
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,000
That means, for me, Samy is still here.
1114
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,240
It means even if he's no longer here…
1115
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,560
We know he's no longer here, but…
1116
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,640
Let's stop.
1117
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,840
I love him and send him a kiss.
1118
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:24,240
Let's change the subject.
1119
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:25,800
I'd even prefer to.
1120
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:32,600
What are you waiting for?
1121
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,280
You don't want me
to cry in front of you. I won't.
1122
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,960
I'm the proudest boy in the world.
1123
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,080
Do you think it's better
to be smart or clever?
1124
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,280
I think you need to be smart.
1125
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:44,520
They're clever.
1126
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:46,320
What's clever?
1127
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,120
It's when they see a fight,
they get into it
1128
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,640
because they're so clever,
they're sure they're gonna get out of it.
1129
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,360
When someone smart sees danger,
they don't get into it.
1130
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,040
{\an8}When Samy Souied was murdered
in Porte Maillot,
1131
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,160
{\an8}it was by two men who came up
on a moped and killed him.
1132
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,280
Obviously, we all wonder
about the significance
1133
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,040
of that murder, that crime.
1134
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,160
How was it possible? How did we get there?
1135
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,080
We got there because of disagreements
1136
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,400
between people brought together
around this accumulation of money.
1137
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,400
When the profits are going to fall,
1138
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,600
which today we estimate
to be more than 280 million euros,
1139
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,960
the money is going to be divided
according to each one's role.
1140
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,280
That means that Souied is going to say,
"200 grand for me."
1141
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,520
Mouly, 60, 70.
1142
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,040
And Arnaud Mimran, the financier,
will get the smallest share.
1143
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,600
We're talking 10, 15 million euros.
1144
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,880
If at first you agree on an amount
1145
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,200
you'll be compensated
for an initial investment
1146
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:05,000
and you know the return on an investment,
1147
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,760
a little bitterness comes out
1148
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,360
when you realize they're not giving you
1149
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,560
what you believe you're entitled to.
1150
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,280
In this matter,
we also discovered certain people
1151
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,640
could sometimes be police informants.
1152
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,240
No comment.
1153
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,720
No comment. Is that good?
1154
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,600
An anonymous witness was questioned later.
1155
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:34,640
He would proclaim
that Arnaud Mimran felt some resentment
1156
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,200
and basically got cocky.
1157
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,440
He thinks, "How is this possible?"
1158
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,840
"These two schmucks are
almost ten times richer than I am today."
1159
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,720
"Unbelievable. I'm nothing."
1160
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,440
The guys look at him with contempt.
They look down on him.
1161
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,520
And he can't stand it.
1162
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,880
And at first glance, that's where
the hostility would've started.
1163
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:55,920
ANONYMOUS WITNESS HEARING
1164
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,800
Mimran becomes depressed
and gambles away huge sums of money.
1165
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:03,200
He falls into debt,
having lost it all to gambling.
1166
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,000
Arnaud proposes investments
in the stock market.
1167
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,800
His reputation gives him credibility.
1168
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,760
Arnaud fits the profile of handling it
and getting money from Samy
1169
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,160
since no one could've imagined
he needed money.
1170
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,960
Those close to the victim
1171
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,960
suspect Arnaud Mimran
of being behind this crime.
1172
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,400
"The financier" would have eliminated him
1173
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,480
in order to not pay back
a 60-million-euro loan.
1174
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,600
Hit men for hire on a moped killed him
with a pistol with a silencer.
1175
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,640
300,000 euros in cash
and this skull-shaped ring
1176
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,720
were found near his body.
1177
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:39,120
This ring was intended for his friend
who wanted to give it to his wife.
1178
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:47,440
So, basically, what's the theory?
1179
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,200
Mimran won't be able to pay back
1180
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,960
the 60 million euros
he borrowed from Samy Souied.
1181
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,560
He thought-- He would have thought
1182
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,640
the best way not to pay
the money back to Samy Souied
1183
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,800
is for Samy Souied to disappear.
1184
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,760
So before this boy goes back to Israel,
1185
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,120
he would have set up this fake meeting
1186
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,280
at Porte Maillot at the last minute
1187
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,120
and indicated who was the right person
1188
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,600
among the three or four there
by giving him that ring.
1189
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,480
That would've been the signal
for the two killers hiding out
1190
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:21,960
to designate the victim.
1191
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,440
According to our sources,
1192
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,760
an anonymous witness
gave police precious details.
1193
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,640
The lure of profit
pushed the simple con men
1194
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,920
to hire hit men in organized crime.
1195
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:36,400
Arnaud Mimran…
1196
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:43,520
would've found associates
in this matter to kill Souied
1197
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:48,280
since, at the same time, Samy Souied
was suspected of having killed
1198
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,880
{\an8}Amar Azzoug, aka "Amar Blue Eyes,"
1199
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,000
{\an8}a few months prior.
1200
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,160
And so they say Mimran got in
1201
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,640
with Amar Blue Eyes' friends
who were also mad at Souied.
1202
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,600
Common ground. "Your enemy is my enemy."
1203
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,560
"Let's join forces
and get rid of the nuisance."
1204
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,360
There you go.
So that's basically the theory.
1205
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:15,480
That's just the statement
of an anonymous witness.
1206
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,080
{\an8}If he'd have listened to me…
1207
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,160
{\an8}-No, don't talk…
-No.
1208
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:23,400
{\an8}If he'd have listened to me,
he wouldn't be dead today.
1209
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,320
Money made him crazy.
1210
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,400
One day, he said,
"Nothing can happen to me."
1211
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,520
I said, "Why?"
He said, "I have too much money."
1212
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,120
"Even if they kidnap someone
from my family,
1213
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,760
I'm ready to pay ten mil
to get them released."
1214
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,680
He said he believed he was untouchable.
1215
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,920
In life, everyone has their place.
1216
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,600
A worker is a worker. A thief is a thief.
1217
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,040
A thug is a thug. A killer is a killer.
1218
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,360
He wanted to jump
from one thing to another.
1219
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,880
-No, hold on.
-No.
1220
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:51,200
This man is going…
1221
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,560
-No, he couldn't handle it.
-What are you talking about?
1222
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,400
That's Samy! That's your friend.
1223
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,000
-That's your friend.
-Mine and yours.
1224
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,440
What am I gonna do?
1225
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,440
-You're crazy talking like that.
-Why is he dead? There you go.
1226
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,520
I'm going to smoke.
You're getting on my nerves.
1227
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,080
He's dead 'cause he thought
he was something he wasn't.
1228
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,640
When you're that rich,
you have to lay low.
1229
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,960
There you go.
1230
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,080
Did you talk to Marco about it?
1231
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,040
I didn't have the chance to talk to Marco
when it happened.
1232
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:28,360
Even now, I don't talk to Marco about it.
I wouldn't dare start the conversation.
1233
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,400
That's not something
I feel like talking about.
1234
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:34,720
Drop those questions.
1235
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,120
Drop it. I told you 150 times.
1236
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,520
-He's your best friend?
-I don't give a shit.
1237
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,120
We said we'd talk about Marco.
1238
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,000
You're breaking my balls
with your CO2 and murders.
1239
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,080
You want murders and all that?
1240
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,920
Go to the police.
They have reports this big.
1241
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,120
I was taken into custody ten times!
1242
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,760
Don't bother me
with your murders and stuff.
1243
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,160
I don't give a shit.
1244
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,960
I wasn't there.
I don't know. I gave a statement.
1245
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,160
You can go get my statements.
1246
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,200
They're nicely organized.
1247
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,920
I'll name the judge and everything.
I've told you ten times.
1248
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,600
Let's not go for 40 times.
1249
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,040
-I told you before.
-I don't remember.
1250
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,840
Yes, I told you before.
1251
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,000
And this and all that stuff.
Stop breaking my balls.
1252
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:22,800
Con men aren't violent.
1253
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:27,000
They're not people with guns who hit you
1254
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,720
or resort to violence.
1255
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:31,560
They don't know how to.
1256
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:35,480
So they're going to start turning
to people they met in prison
1257
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:36,960
and say, "Listen."
1258
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,480
"He borrowed this much.
He owes me this much."
1259
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,520
"If you get back the money,
we'll split it."
1260
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:42,960
But you're letting in thugs.
1261
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,040
A thug is an animal. He's a predator.
1262
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,760
He's not an NGO or an association.
1263
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,640
If you call him, watch out.
1264
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,520
Once you invite him in,
he's not gonna leave.
1265
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,040
He's at home.
He'll take you for all you've got.
1266
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,600
A lot of blood
has already been shed in this matter.
1267
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,360
The millions
have sparked violent jealousy,
1268
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:02,080
and some of the wealthy scammers
1269
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,760
still know there's a price on their heads.
1270
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,400
Oh yeah. It says it's my wife. Keep quiet.
1271
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:12,800
Yeah, baby?
1272
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,120
An hour ago? Why?
1273
01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:19,600
What is it?
1274
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:22,240
I don't know. She didn't tell me. Why?
1275
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,840
Maybe she ran out of battery.
1276
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:30,000
I'm going outside.
1277
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,920
Sorry. My daughter hasn't answered
Cindy's call since noon.
1278
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,000
We're worried.
1279
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,040
{\an8}Since Marco was released on day parole,
I've been worried about him.
1280
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,480
Very much so. Him and his family.
1281
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,120
And I think he must be a little scared.
1282
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,520
I'm even sure of it.
Sometimes he's not himself.
1283
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,560
Sometimes he's lost in thought.
You can see he's conflicted.
1284
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:58,800
He thinks a lot.
1285
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,400
And I don't think he was like that before.
1286
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,600
He never gave a shit about anything.
Not now.
1287
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,720
That's normal. He has a family.
He's got a wife who loves him.
1288
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,280
Children, grandchildren.
1289
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,160
Unless he leaves the country.
1290
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,040
Somewhere no one knows about.
I think that'd be best for him.
1291
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,080
COMMUNICATION N. 221 ON DATE 04/19/13
DIRECTION OF COMMUNICATION: OUTGOING
1292
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,280
Mouly: Hello?
1293
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,360
Mimran: Uh-huh.
1294
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:29,480
Mimran: We're not gonna grow old.
Manu is here to kill us quickly.
1295
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,440
Mouly: That's what I'm afraid of.
We have to go to the police.
1296
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,280
Mimran: No, leave him alone…
1297
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,440
Mouly: Yeah, but the problem is me.
He's going to kill me, not you.
1298
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,120
Mimran: He kills you first?
1299
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,360
Mouly: Yeah,
I know he's gonna kill me first
1300
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:46,440
because he wants to get money from you.
1301
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,120
He knows I won't give him a cent.
1302
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:53,160
Marco and Arnaud,
Manu has a message for you.
1303
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:54,320
See you soon.
1304
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,640
That means everything.
1305
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,280
That means you know who, when, and where.
1306
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,360
Textual analysis.
1307
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:02,240
You know when. You know where.
1308
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:05,240
That's a video
1309
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,640
with some threats.
1310
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,080
You saw it. If you saw it,
the justice system has seen it.
1311
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,680
Can you tell me
what's happening in that video?
1312
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,440
If I had made a video,
1313
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,480
I would've been picked up,
indicted, and thrown in jail.
1314
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,280
Yeah. But what can we do?
They let things happen.
1315
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,200
I'm not a guy who goes to the police.
1316
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,160
But the problem isn't the issue.
1317
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,240
No one can defend you.
1318
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,360
You're alone in your world. All alone.
1319
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:37,440
You're going to have
to handle it like a grown-up.
1320
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:38,960
And that's the worst.
1321
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:43,120
You're scared for your wife, your kids,
for everyone close to you.
1322
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,960
So you become another man.
1323
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,440
Back then, Arnaud Mimran
met an Italian TV star from Paraguay
1324
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,280
who he moved in with really quickly.
1325
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,120
Overnight, he left
Claude Dray's daughter, Anna,
1326
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,960
who was madly in love with him.
1327
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,440
They met at a young age.
He was the love of her life.
1328
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,720
And overnight, he goes
and moves in with this girl.
1329
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,120
And then, shockingly,
1330
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:18,840
he has a sort of squabble
with his former in-laws,
1331
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,520
particularly Claude Dray.
1332
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:24,200
He specifically rents a villa
in Saint-Tropez across from the Drays
1333
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,040
and vacations there with his partner.
1334
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:30,160
He's really
sort of deliberately provoking them.
1335
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,040
There's a growing hate
1336
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,320
between Arnaud Mimran and the Dray family.
1337
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,840
That is until Claude Dray
comes up with a kind of radical solution.
1338
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,280
He contacted the investigators
handling the CO2 case
1339
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,240
and basically rats out his ex-son-in-law.
1340
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,920
OFFICIAL REPORT
PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION
1341
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,520
He leads a lavish lifestyle.
1342
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,720
He buys many vehicles:
a Rolls Royce, a Lamborghini…
1343
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,880
He bought a boat. He only flies private.
1344
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,480
In France, he has nothing to his name.
1345
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,800
As far as I know, he and Arnaud
may be linked to the murder of Samy Souied
1346
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,920
over a debt of 700,000 euros.
1347
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,280
Of course I knew Arnaud's father-in-law.
1348
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,760
For me, an incredible man.
1349
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,240
I knew him, but not as a friend.
1350
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,840
He was a gentleman who respected me.
1351
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,160
I heard he badmouthed me.
1352
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:27,520
But I don't know why.
1353
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,600
But in my opinion, he badmouthed me
because I was Arnaud's friend.
1354
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,480
{\an8}Claude Dray was humiliated.
1355
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:37,040
{\an8}His daughter
had been unceremoniously dumped
1356
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,960
{\an8}by his rather uncouth son-in-law, etc.
1357
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:42,800
So Claude Dray is gonna do
everything he can
1358
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,640
to try and get revenge on Arnaud Mimran.
1359
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,120
The shutters of his villa in Neuilly
1360
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,640
haven't been opened
since the beginning of the week.
1361
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:57,280
Tuesday morning, Claude Dray, age 76,
was found dead in his home by his butler.
1362
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,200
He was killed
by three bullets to the neck.
1363
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,240
At the scene, however,
1364
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:05,680
investigators found no signs of a struggle
or breaking and entering.
1365
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,520
Let's talk about it. It's like
the mystery of the pink room.
1366
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,440
No one goes in and no one comes out.
1367
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,160
-Yellow room.
-Yellow, pink, or green, I don't know.
1368
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,440
But it was weird.
1369
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,480
Like everyone, we found out
he died in his house in Neuilly
1370
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,560
with, I think, a bullet in his head,
a bullet in his neck.
1371
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:27,680
Mr. Dray wasn't a thug.
1372
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,040
He was a businessman
who had a lot of money.
1373
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:31,600
He was someone… It's the same.
1374
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,120
That started to get in people's heads.
1375
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,720
Samy, Mr. Dray…
1376
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,000
It seems when you connect
all these murders,
1377
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,000
obviously there's a team of killers
working in Paris
1378
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,880
and we're not able to put names to them.
1379
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,880
The media reported
1380
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,280
that Mr. Dray asked
for help from the state,
1381
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:54,800
such as customs,
1382
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,680
to denounce his son-in-law.
1383
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,400
The press reported this,
1384
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:01,200
and it was something
that convinced the family.
1385
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,720
That doesn't mean we can prove
1386
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,520
Mr. Dray's son-in-law
is behind his murder.
1387
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,840
I leave his daughter. He gets killed
three years later. How's that my fault?
1388
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,520
Three years later.
I didn't see Claude for three years.
1389
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,400
He's still my kids' grandfather.
1390
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:20,720
I was still close to him for 15 years.
1391
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:21,960
Shot dead, that's awful.
1392
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:26,200
When you saw your name in the papers
among murderers, what did you think?
1393
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:27,680
I was annoyed with the police.
1394
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,040
If I kill someone and you accuse me,
1395
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,000
I can't kill a second person close to me.
Nor a third.
1396
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,960
I think that would be blatantly obvious.
1397
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,000
I have so much… True, even I ask myself.
I think, "This is unbelievable."
1398
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,880
At the funeral, he was
one of his father-in-law's pallbearers.
1399
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,680
I admit I looked
at this picture for a long time.
1400
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,280
{\an8}I can't believe it.
1401
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,880
{\an8}I can't believe something so atrocious.
1402
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,760
I don't see at what point
the guy would be able to break
1403
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,760
the first commandment, in fact.
1404
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,400
No, I don't mind showing my wounds.
1405
01:16:37,480 --> 01:16:38,480
No problem.
1406
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,280
So the day of my attempted murder,
1407
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,080
I took a bullet
four millimeters from my brain.
1408
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,000
A bullet entered
through my nasal cavity here
1409
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,440
and came out down here.
1410
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,080
{\an8}I took a bullet
1411
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,800
{\an8}in the arm, and it tore up my whole arm.
1412
01:16:58,480 --> 01:16:59,760
{\an8}A bullet in the hand,
1413
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,480
{\an8}where the scar is.
1414
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,120
{\an8}I took
1415
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,600
{\an8}a bullet here,
two, three bullets in the stomach,
1416
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,560
{\an8}one bullet in the lung.
1417
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,280
So that's three, four,
five, six, seven, eight.
1418
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,520
And one in the buttocks.
1419
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,440
So nine bullets went through my body
and were inside and…
1420
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:29,080
So?
1421
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,640
In December 2016,
Dominique Ghez took nine bullets.
1422
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,480
It's a miracle the guy survived.
1423
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:45,160
Undoubtedly, he's the guy in the case
who knows Mimran and Mouly best.
1424
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,520
He's really close to them.
1425
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,880
Dominique Ghez has some criminal friends.
1426
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,960
It's said he was close to certain people
in the eastern suburbs of Paris, etc.
1427
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:55,000
That's wrong.
1428
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,360
That's more than wrong.
1429
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:59,880
I'm a loudmouth.
1430
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:04,800
I never got into organized crime
or people involved in that.
1431
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,160
But it's true I'm kind of ready to fight,
1432
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,120
kind of loud, and…
1433
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,160
I'm a worker,
1434
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,640
someone who gets up in the morning to work
to put food on the table for my family.
1435
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:21,480
Simply put. Then I got a false reputation.
1436
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,320
He wasn't one of the players in CO2,
1437
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,880
meaning he didn't touch CO2.
1438
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:30,600
He was in prison most of the time
it was going on anyway.
1439
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,720
But on the other hand,
what's shocking is you see him appear,
1440
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,120
kind of like a ghost.
1441
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,320
For each murder in this story,
1442
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,280
the major twists in the file,
1443
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:41,840
Dominique Ghez is there.
1444
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,480
The night Samy Souied was killed,
he was there.
1445
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:48,600
The day Arnaud Mimran
was arrested at home,
1446
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,800
the investigators find Ghez
in the kitchen.
1447
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,960
He's like a watermark.
1448
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:56,600
You see him appear kind of everywhere
without being guilty of anything.
1449
01:18:56,680 --> 01:19:00,120
In any case, we can ask, as the police do,
1450
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,880
"Doesn't Ghez know too much?"
1451
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,760
{\an8}LÉA FIORENTINO
DOMINIQUE GHEZ'S LAWYER
1452
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,440
In all murder cases,
whether it's these or others,
1453
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,920
we find out things,
and we start from something.
1454
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,440
We start from a bullet casing or a witness
1455
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,640
or recognizing something
or a camera or something.
1456
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,320
With regards to the attempted murder
that Mr. Ghez was a victim of,
1457
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,640
we start from nothing. There is nothing.
1458
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,040
Not one casing was found.
1459
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:36,080
No one was able to identify the shooters,
even though it's in the middle of the 16th
1460
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,200
and the Le Flandrin restaurant is nearby.
The station isn't far.
1461
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,920
Anyway, in the 16th district,
people aren't used to shootings.
1462
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:45,680
And we start from nothing.
1463
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,520
Dominique, in your personal investigation,
you have found those who shot you.
1464
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,120
I'd prefer not to answer that question.
1465
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,360
Once their fortune was made,
1466
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,680
you might expect these guys
to go on the run, disappear,
1467
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:13,000
go spend their money discreetly
on a beach in Costa Rica.
1468
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:14,400
No way!
1469
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:17,840
This is where the problems begin.
1470
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,920
That's what made it all blow up.
1471
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,520
Guys are dropping like flies.
1472
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,600
Their friend was killed at Porte Maillot.
1473
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:28,640
Amar was shot at a bar in Saint-Mandé.
Everyone in Paris is getting agitated.
1474
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,680
Guys start getting out their knives
to try to find and skin them.
1475
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:37,200
And they're wearing fur coats in Paris,
flashing their cash,
1476
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,960
getting into showbiz,
organizing unbelievable bar mitzvahs.
1477
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,840
That's the whole problem
for these guys, the players in this case.
1478
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,240
They didn't know how to keep
their heads down and keep a low profile.
1479
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:54,560
NOVEMBER 2012
1480
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,800
So there it is.
The dad throws a little party for his son.
1481
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:58,840
Quiet.
1482
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,000
-A tiny little party.
-A small party.
1483
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:05,160
At a bar mitzvah,
1484
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,480
you eat, drink, party,
and forget everything the next day.
1485
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:10,760
But what you don't forget are the stars.
1486
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,520
Gad Elmaleh was there. Nikos was there.
1487
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:16,880
Marco was inspired…
1488
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,960
M. Pokora was there.
1489
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,800
Sexion d'Assaut was there.
Maître Gims was there.
1490
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,000
Cyril Hanouna!
1491
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:27,520
There was…
1492
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,280
At Arnaud's bar mitzvah and at mine,
there were cops everywhere. Yeah.
1493
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,840
You recognized them,
and you leave them alone.
1494
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,680
You don't care. They eat and drink.
They're happy. They're invited.
1495
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,080
Ladies and gentlemen,
1496
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,280
there must be some people here
who weren't invited.
1497
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,200
We'll recognize them. Don't worry.
1498
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:48,840
There are spies here.
1499
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,680
Ladies and gentlemen, don't worry.
1500
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,560
We have private detectives
who are watching everything.
1501
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,360
So there were parties
that the police checked out
1502
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,400
and surveilled certain people.
1503
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:06,520
But once again, without ever…
1504
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:11,560
until the facts were revealed
and the investigation was underway,
1505
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,000
without ever making
the very comprehensive link
1506
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,840
with what was going on behind the scenes
1507
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:21,120
and why people from
the dark underworld of organized crime
1508
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,240
would hang around
flamboyant wheeler-dealers.
1509
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,560
I didn't really like Pharrell Williams.
1510
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:44,640
There's no atmosphere.
1511
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,480
I like Akon.
1512
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,400
Puff Daddy is another world.
1513
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:54,840
It's everything you love.
1514
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:59,240
Chicks, parties, money.
Everything you love!
1515
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:00,880
You want to take off with him.
1516
01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:09,600
Arnaud's problem
was that he only invited rich people.
1517
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,960
I invited rich and poor people. Why?
1518
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,920
Because they have to mix.
1519
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,120
You need trash and cash.
1520
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,480
"Yes, well then."
1521
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,960
Then the poor guy comes
and takes your cake at your table.
1522
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:25,880
It's no fun without all that.
1523
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,600
We had to deal with people
1524
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,760
who were really used
to financial delinquency,
1525
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:45,360
who continuously broke the law
1526
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:47,800
and, at a certain point, had to stop.
1527
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,000
We have to stop them.
Otherwise, they continue.
1528
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:02,640
APRIL 23, 2013
1529
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,960
{\an8}PARIS - CHAMPS-ELYSÉES
THIS AFTERNOON
1530
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,040
{\an8}I was at the Aviation Club
where I play poker.
1531
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,960
I won 130,000 euros at poker.
1532
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,280
I go home like normal. I go to sleep.
1533
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,400
All of a sudden, I wake up alert.
1534
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:19,040
"Dad, it's the police."
1535
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,160
I say, "What? The police?
What's going on?"
1536
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,360
They say,
"Mouly, we're seizing everything."
1537
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:26,920
"You know why we're arresting you."
1538
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,360
They took me
into the new house I'd just bought,
1539
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:31,000
which they sold not that long ago.
1540
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,840
"Mouly, you're showing off."
1541
01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:36,120
I saw everything go.
1542
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,320
I saw all my things go,
my jackets, pants, shoes.
1543
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,280
They took everything.
I was finished. The film stopped.
1544
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,080
The picture was cut.
1545
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,800
When they put the collection notice
on the door…
1546
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,000
The truth is then you feel naked.
1547
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,680
They take your heart and soul,
your clothes, everything.
1548
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,520
{\an8}The trial for one of the most unbelievable
scams in decades has begun.
1549
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,440
{\an8}Twelve people are being tried in Paris
1550
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,720
{\an8}for having diverted
more than a billion euros
1551
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,480
{\an8}thanks to a sleight of hand
with the carbon tax.
1552
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,760
{\an8}DAVID-OLIVIER KAMINSKI
MARCO MOULY'S LAWYER
1553
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,120
{\an8}I remember that he called us on a Sunday
1554
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,560
to prepare and work on his case.
1555
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:23,840
In a very studious and meticulous way,
I presented the facts
1556
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:26,480
that were against him.
1557
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:28,960
After ten minutes,
he said, "That's all right."
1558
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:31,120
And then all of a sudden
1559
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:33,640
a journalist would arrive.
1560
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,880
I see a camera come.
Marco wanted to do an interview.
1561
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:40,720
Marco Mouly, according to authorities,
is a key player
1562
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,880
in the planning, set-up,
financing, and laundering.
1563
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:45,760
He's downplaying his role.
1564
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,560
I owed a small debt to a friend.
1565
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,120
He said, "Open these two accounts
and we're even." I said okay.
1566
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,320
I didn't go looking for carbon.
1567
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:53,880
Carbon came to me.
1568
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,000
I even thought
it was oxygen for firefighters.
1569
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:02,160
{\an8}There's a quote from Saint-Just
that came to mind,
1570
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:07,000
{\an8}which is, "Public domain was established
to fix the misfortunes of society."
1571
01:26:07,080 --> 01:26:11,640
So when you take money from public funds,
you're taking money from our solidarity.
1572
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:16,520
You can do the math pretty quickly
on how much the VAT scam cost.
1573
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:21,680
You can count this in intensive care beds,
in hours of work for doctors.
1574
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,240
It's not just abstract money.
1575
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,880
It's money
we could use for concrete things.
1576
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,720
Mr. Amar tells me to my face,
1577
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,640
"Mouly, you're gonna get eight years."
1578
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:38,360
I laugh. I say,
"Wait. I haven't even been tried."
1579
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:40,680
He says, "I'm gonna ask for ten
so you get eight."
1580
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,720
At the end of the trial, the judge says,
1581
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,280
"We'll deliver the verdict on July 7."
1582
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,560
And I tell the judge,
1583
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:54,560
"Be nice, Your Honor. Deliver the verdict
in September. I'm going on vacation."
1584
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,800
When he sets it for July 7
at 9:00 in the morning,
1585
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:11,520
that means I'm going to jail.
1586
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,320
So the verdict was in July.
1587
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,840
So between the trial and the verdict,
1588
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:17,920
I'm with Arnaud and everyone.
1589
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,200
We're talking, he says,
"We're going to trial."
1590
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:21,880
"Don't worry. We won't go to jail."
1591
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:26,600
But I don't want to tell Arnaud
I'm really worried.
1592
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,600
I don't want to tell Arnaud
because Arnaud hasn't been to jail.
1593
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,080
Arnaud's going to a new world.
1594
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,800
He thinks he's gonna go to jail
and get out in two, three months. No.
1595
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:37,800
I know I'm not gonna get out.
1596
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:39,600
He doesn't know what it's like.
1597
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,200
So he thinks he's gonna land on his feet.
1598
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,880
The customs police came through here.
1599
01:27:45,480 --> 01:27:46,440
You see?
1600
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:49,080
It's empty.
1601
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,440
Apparently
you're not scared to go to jail.
1602
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:55,880
Of course I'm scared. He's crazy.
1603
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,240
Who wouldn't be scared?
1604
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:58,440
I have kids and all.
1605
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,920
Of course I'm scared.
But what do you want me to do?
1606
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,840
He's crazy. He thinks
going to jail has no effect on me.
1607
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,400
{\an8}JULY 7, 2016
1608
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:12,200
{\an8}Arnaud Mimran was summoned
for deliberations.
1609
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,000
The prosecutor requested
a ten-year sentence for him.
1610
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,720
{\an8}Even though Arnaud Mimran
knew the prosecutor had asked
1611
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:33,440
{\an8}for him to be locked up for ten years
and arrested at the bar,
1612
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:36,640
he was the only one to go to court
1613
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,600
to hear his sentence
with a bag containing his belongings,
1614
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,640
knowing there was a good chance
he'd end up behind bars
1615
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:47,680
for a significant amount of time.
1616
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:48,960
Why did he do it?
1617
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,200
Because when you're a player
and you play and lose, you pay your debts.
1618
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:55,280
You show your children
1619
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,600
by going to get the sentence
1620
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:00,440
that when you do something stupid,
you take responsibility.
1621
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:06,320
The third reason
is because Arnaud Mimran is someone who,
1622
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:08,200
by nature,
1623
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:10,800
doesn't run.
1624
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:16,560
July 7th comes.
1625
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,080
I was with Arnaud the day before.
1626
01:29:20,200 --> 01:29:21,560
I go to the trial.
1627
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,680
I go to the trial to get my sentence.
1628
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,400
My phone rang because I got there late.
1629
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:31,600
And I think it's God…
1630
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,760
My phone rang. I didn't answer it.
1631
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,520
And a text message comes in.
1632
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:40,160
"Marco, you got eight years
with a warrant for your immediate arrest."
1633
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:42,560
I have a problem.
1634
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,920
I got eight years. What else could happen?
1635
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,440
Go on, juggle!
1636
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,120
Life's made up of juggling.
1637
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,840
It's just juggling.
Life is just like that.
1638
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:55,000
You have to juggle money,
juggle the police, juggle thugs,
1639
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,200
juggle everything.
1640
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:59,000
I love to watch juggling. Why?
1641
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,640
'Cause she does her job like I do mine.
1642
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,400
{\an8}The day after the verdict,
I got a text on WhatsApp.
1643
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:08,360
Who do I see? Marco Mouly
1644
01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:11,560
in the streets of Rome
in the back of a carriage.
1645
01:30:11,640 --> 01:30:12,960
In the second photo,
1646
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,080
he's pretending to open
the door of a police car, smirking.
1647
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,080
There was a message, one line.
1648
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,920
"The sentence is too harsh."
1649
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:21,960
There was a line for me too.
1650
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:23,440
"I'm not on the run."
1651
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:27,120
"I'm taking a step back.
I'm not sure I've stepped back enough."
1652
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,200
How could he leave?
1653
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:34,160
He left
because he really doubted he was gonna…
1654
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,880
Because he had a prison sentence
and an arrest warrant waiting for him.
1655
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:39,520
If I were in their shoes,
1656
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,320
I'm not gonna go to court
to get arrested at the hearing.
1657
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,520
I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna set sail.
1658
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:47,120
Is that good?
1659
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:57,920
Well done, man.
1660
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:00,000
That's balance.
1661
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,640
You're gonna lend me your body.
1662
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:04,600
Yeah.
1663
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:07,600
Marco could've saved himself.
He was in Israel.
1664
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,640
He came back. He thought about it.
1665
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,720
He said to himself, "I didn't do all this
for it to end like this."
1666
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,320
And the day he got caught, he called me
1667
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,760
because he was arrested in Switzerland
1668
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,320
and the Swiss police were nice.
1669
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,440
And I remember he called me on my cell.
1670
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,720
He said, "How are you, Titi?"
I said, "Fine."
1671
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,040
He said, "It's over. They got me."
1672
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,480
He said, "That's it. I'm gonna do my time.
I wanted to turn myself in."
1673
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,160
"They caught me, but it's okay.
That's the price you pay."
1674
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,440
HELLO, COMRADE
1675
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,880
IT'S ME, MARCO
WE'VE BEEN CAUGHT, MY BROTHER
1676
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:54,480
I'm gonna tell you a story about you.
1677
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,640
-About me?
-Yeah, but you were in jail.
1678
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,600
During my trial,
1679
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,880
there was a lawyer smoking a cigarette
1680
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,600
with one of the prosecutors
who sentenced you.
1681
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:07,720
She said, "Mr. Prosecutor,
1682
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:09,520
about Marco Mouly,
1683
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:14,280
"the petition made in the Court of Appeals
was a lot less harsh than yours."
1684
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:15,560
He says, "That's normal
1685
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,760
because the public prosecutor
in the Court of Appeals is a Gentile."
1686
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:23,640
"They should've gotten a Jew like me
because all the Jews I deal with,
1687
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,560
I give them a treha!"
1688
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:28,200
-In reality.
-They did their job well.
1689
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:30,560
We can't be mad at the prosecutors.
1690
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,080
They examined the evidence,
and they massacred us.
1691
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,000
Only against us.
1692
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,080
Marco, they're prosecutors.
That's their job.
1693
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:42,160
I have a good relationship with Amar.
1694
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:43,640
We say hello. We respect each other.
1695
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:45,200
-Amar?
-Yeah.
1696
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:46,760
Amar?!
1697
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,160
Don't forget he brought up matters
1698
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,360
going back 27 years!
1699
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:53,720
You can sentence me for things I've done,
1700
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,880
but not 27 years later!
1701
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,120
I'm a fifth wheel in all these matters.
1702
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:59,640
Who's the mastermind?
1703
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,640
You're the mastermind
who brought the case!
1704
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:04,960
You said it loud and clear!
1705
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,800
I'm a fifth wheel!
I go where it smells good.
1706
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,480
You took advantage of it.
1707
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,080
-Of what?
-Stop it, Marco.
1708
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,200
-What?
-Didn't you take advantage of the system?
1709
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,280
Let's not talk about that. Well?
1710
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:18,960
You're biting the hand that feeds you.
1711
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,840
You profited, re-profited,
abused, re-abused.
1712
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,520
But they took it all back.
1713
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,080
Maybe, but there was a time when
even the police said, "Sorry it ended."
1714
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,960
"Following you was
the best time of our lives."
1715
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,760
But that ends. Those are memories.
1716
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:33,440
But that's what you wanted.
1717
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:34,960
I want the money!
1718
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:38,240
Why spend five years in jail
if there's no more money?
1719
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:44,640
Normally, you do business, you go to jail,
you stop, you end up with the money,
1720
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:46,040
and then life is beautiful.
1721
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:48,720
We did nothing but bullshit.
What are you talking about?
1722
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,040
We just did some bullshit.
1723
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,520
Carbon is not a good business
aside from having lived it up
1724
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,520
and having showed off
1725
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,400
and having lots of problems with thugs
1726
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:00,640
and having lots of problems everywhere.
1727
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,760
-With your family--
-With your family, wife, kids, and all.
1728
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,360
Here's the scoop. I will never go
to jail again, with the grace of God.
1729
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:10,160
I'll do everything cleanly.
The truth is they broke me.
1730
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:11,800
Now let's talk business.
1731
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,200
Now we're going to the prison, La Santé.
1732
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,960
That's it. During the day, you dream.
At night, you suffer.
1733
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:39,920
The dream goes away.
1734
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,800
You know, they say
there's a god and a devil.
1735
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,920
If you believe in God,
believe in the Devil.
1736
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,680
Now we're going to the Devil's.
1737
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:48,520
It all stops.
1738
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,840
You go to jail, your whole life stops.
Really everything.
1739
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:56,400
The next morning, you don't know
if you'll be able to go out on day parole.
1740
01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:57,840
Anything can happen.
1741
01:34:58,440 --> 01:35:00,440
What do they say
about Marco Mouly in jail?
1742
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:02,120
He's a billionaire.
1743
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,200
That he's got money
and we gotta make some.
1744
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,160
Some guys are nice,
1745
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:08,400
and others are mean
and come at you maliciously.
1746
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:10,960
You ignore the nice ones
because they're scoundrels.
1747
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,440
And the mean ones, you punch
because you gotta make an impression.
1748
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,360
But sometimes you're not strong enough.
1749
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:23,400
{\an8}LA SANTÉ PRISON
PARIS
1750
01:35:23,480 --> 01:35:27,880
{\an8}I'm here. Going to my special hotel
at 42 rue de la Santé.
1751
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:35,960
Thanks.
1752
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,400
At 3:00 pm, he decides…
1753
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:51,600
Radio Fresnes, hello.
1754
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:55,840
So today, we're gonna start
with an expression that we hear often,
1755
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,480
"Get lost."
Listen, that's all you hear here.
1756
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,720
We only wanted one thing, to get lost.
1757
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:08,600
I hope justice will shed light
on all this and the truth will come out…
1758
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:15,560
and one day, Marco Mouly
will reveal everything he knows
1759
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:17,680
and he'll spill the beans
1760
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,640
and he'll let out everything
he has inside him.
1761
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:23,960
Whether he participated
directly or indirectly,
1762
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:27,360
I think his conscience must not be clear…
1763
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,080
and he has blood on his hands.
1764
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:37,520
Marco's one of your best friends.
You said so earlier.
1765
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:38,760
My best friend.
1766
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:40,680
Marco Mouly was my best friend.
1767
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:46,480
Are you saying something?
1768
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,880
Even for him. Did he say it or did you?
1769
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:49,800
He did.
1770
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,840
So you're telling me something
that really hurts.
1771
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,400
You know what? One day in Israel,
I did a lie detector test.
1772
01:36:56,480 --> 01:36:57,480
The police were there.
1773
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:02,040
People came in with a lie detector
to see if I knew something about Samy.
1774
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:03,960
I took the lie detector test.
1775
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,600
I left and I got up like a king.
1776
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:10,640
Why? Because the truth had been told
when they confirmed it was true.
1777
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,040
And another thing,
instead of responding to that,
1778
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:14,600
because that's shit
1779
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,680
since it's my word against his,
he said, she said…
1780
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,520
You say he's my best friend.
1781
01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:22,640
Bring in a lie detector.
1782
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:26,840
And you'll see it's the truth.
1783
01:37:27,640 --> 01:37:29,880
No, stop breaking my balls,
1784
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:33,160
'cause you were talking
about awful things.
1785
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,240
I'm gonna stop here,
and I'm gonna take your cameras
1786
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,680
until you actually have the lie detector.
1787
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:52,320
I'm from the official security world,
1788
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:54,560
{\an8}let's say,
the Spanish anti-terrorist police.
1789
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,240
{\an8}JOSÉ ANTIONIO LANDA
POLYGRAPH EXPERT
1790
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:00,400
{\an8}I spent seven years
at the American embassy in Madrid.
1791
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:03,440
And then I went to Tel Aviv, Israel
1792
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,920
to the Polygraph Institute of Israel.
1793
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,240
Hello.
1794
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:08,440
How are you?
1795
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,080
I invite you to take a seat.
1796
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:19,760
You always have cold hands?
1797
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,840
That's normal. I'm kind of shaking.
I'm not used to this.
1798
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,680
Do you intend to tell the truth
during this test?
1799
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,600
If I'm here, it's to tell the truth.
1800
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:38,480
No, that's not it. Yes or no.
1801
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:39,480
Yes.
1802
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,600
Have you ever received a death threat?
1803
01:38:43,240 --> 01:38:44,160
Yes.
1804
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,720
Are you scared for your life?
1805
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,360
I can't answer that question.
1806
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:06,000
Did Samy Souied tell you
he feared for his life?
1807
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:08,600
No.
1808
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:13,880
Are you in any way responsible
for the murder of Samy Souied?
1809
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:16,360
No.
1810
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:23,560
Are you in any way responsible for
the attempted murder of Dominique Ghez?
1811
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:24,640
No.
1812
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,640
Do you still consider
Arnaud Mimran a friend?
1813
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:38,960
That's off topic.
1814
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:43,280
Will you ever, perhaps,
commit fraud again?
1815
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:56,440
No.
1816
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,440
Yeah, prison is scary. That's for sure.
1817
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:06,040
But after watching shows
like Prison Break,
1818
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:07,720
no, it wouldn't scare me.
1819
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:09,640
I would've said yes right away.
1820
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,920
Getting out and having what they have
and doing what they could do.
1821
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,480
I don't think they lost everything.
I can't believe that.
1822
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:17,240
What did we get back?
1823
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,360
From the 1,6 billion?
1824
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:21,040
Come on.
1825
01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:23,680
Maybe 200 million.
1826
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:24,640
That's huge.
1827
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:27,600
Yeah, but the difference…
1828
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:32,040
the difference is what those
who pocketed the money get to keep.
1829
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:35,080
He's taken care of his family.
He'll never be…
1830
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:38,080
You're not nice, Serge.
1831
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,520
I swear on my mother's life,
you're the biggest asshole.
1832
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,600
Do you want me to say you're a bum?
1833
01:40:42,680 --> 01:40:43,960
Yeah, I am a bum!
1834
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,040
-I don't have a cent.
-Okay, you're a bum.
1835
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:47,480
You have nothing?
1836
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,000
I think it'll be really difficult
1837
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:55,280
to get the money back.
1838
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,840
I wonder
if we're the only ones looking for it.
1839
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:00,880
I wouldn't like to be the one who has it.
1840
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:02,280
I wouldn't sleep well.
1841
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:04,280
Not just for moral reasons.
1842
01:41:10,440 --> 01:41:12,640
I'm going to tell you the results.
1843
01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:14,000
-Not in front of the camera.
-Yes.
1844
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:18,240
He'll tell us the real stuff first.
Don't you see he's talking bullshit?
1845
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:20,800
Easy, because I'm scared.
1846
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:24,720
Okay, shall we start?
1847
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:27,000
So…
1848
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:29,240
May I call you Marco?
1849
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:30,280
Of course.
1850
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:34,040
I'm happy to be here
1851
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:37,520
to testify that you've told the truth
1852
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,720
to all the questions
that are really important to us.
1853
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:43,080
I told the truth?
1854
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:49,160
Polygraph tests are not accepted
as proof by French jurisdictions.
1855
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,800
According to José Antonio Landa,
only certain highly trained individuals
1856
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,560
manage to fool the machine.
1857
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:58,200
The investigation into the attempted
assassination of Dominique Ghez continues.
1858
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,960
In July 2016, the Polish broker
Jaroslaw Klapucki was sentenced
1859
01:42:02,040 --> 01:42:05,120
to seven years in prison
in the initial trial of the CO2 case.
1860
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:08,360
He was released
by the Court of Appeal a year later.
1861
01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:12,480
No further charges
have been brought against him.
1862
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:16,760
Grégory Zaoui was sentenced
to eight years in prison in the CO2 case.
1863
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,920
Upon his release, he was approached
by the Ministry of Finance
1864
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,360
to share his expertise
in financial fraud cases.
1865
01:42:22,440 --> 01:42:25,760
He did not follow up
and enrolled in the Cours Florent.
1866
01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:29,680
Arnaud Mimran
has been incarcerated since July 2016.
1867
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:31,480
On April 15, 2021,
1868
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,080
he was indicted for "accessory to murder"
in the Claude Dray case
1869
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:37,160
and for "murder in an organized gang"
in the Samy Souied case.
1870
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:38,520
Pending a court decision,
1871
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:39,840
he is presumed innocent.
1872
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,040
On June 25, 2021,
he was also sentenced to 13 years
1873
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:45,400
by the Paris circuit court
for his involvement
1874
01:42:45,480 --> 01:42:48,080
in the kidnapping and extortion
of a Swiss financier.
1875
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:51,000
Arnaud Mimran appealed.
A new trial will take place.
1876
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,120
In June 2021, Marco Mouly
was taken into police custody
1877
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:56,520
in the investigation
of the murder of Samy Souied.
1878
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:58,160
He was released without charge.
1879
01:42:58,240 --> 01:42:59,720
The investigation is ongoing.
1880
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:01,960
For the CO2 case,
he was sentenced to repay,
1881
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,360
along with Arnaud Mimran
and their accomplices,
1882
01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:06,000
238 million euros to the state.
1883
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,000
He's unsure if he wants to write songs
1884
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:09,560
or be a stock market adviser.
1885
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,880
BlueNext, the carbon exchange,
1886
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,440
never recovered
from this massive tax scam.
1887
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,040
It shut down in December 2012.
1888
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:20,160
In total, the losses are estimated
at more than 1,6 billion euros for France
1889
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:22,920
and at least 6 billion
for European Union countries.
1890
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:26,560
The presence of persons accompanying
anyone in the film at any point
1891
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,120
does not indicate
they had knowledge of or participated in
1892
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:30,760
any related illegal activities.