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-[doors open]
-[tense music rising]
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[reporter 1] It's the scam of the century.
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[reporter 2] The biggest tax evasion
ever recorded in France.
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[reporter 3] This scam is invisible.
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[reporter 4] The new heist of the century.
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The scam involved the carbon tax
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which allows companies
to buy and sell rights to pollute.
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The scammers actually used
a loophole in the system.
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[dramatic sting]
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[reporter 5] How did individuals,
who essentially came out of nowhere,
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achieve the heist of the century?
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Carbon was the most beautiful thing
in the world.
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It was… Pfft. It's--
There are no words for it!
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I've never seen,
in all the cases that I've dealt with,
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networks this complicated.
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It's street smarts.
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The ones who are hungry
outwit the ones from elite schools.
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[Marco] Can you imagine, you earn money,
you take private jets, you get on boats,
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people come to see you wearing 25K outfits
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and say, "How are you doing, Mr. Mouly?"
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You've never spoken with them.
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You're from Belleville.
You eat carrots and you drink coffee.
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-[whirring]
-[exciting music plays]
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How much did I get? How much did I get?
You're crazy to ask something like that.
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The amount of damage
was estimated at 283 million euros.
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[mocking] "283 million…"
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[in normal voice] 283 million,
but there's a ton of fees.
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["Over That Girl" by Kimotion playing]
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Honestly, I don't know
how to read or write.
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How do you expect me
to know the power of money?
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Anyone else would've hidden it.
He wanted to spend it all day long.
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[Marco] We were good.
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-Thought we were Rockefeller, all of us.
-[music stops]
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[sirens wailing]
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When you have an amalgamation
of financial delinquents
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backed by serious criminals,
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you have an explosive combination
that will inevitably lead to bloodshed.
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[dramatic music plays]
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[Bouleau] The trial's begun
for one of the most unbelievable scams
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in recent decades.
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[journalist] Mardoché Mouly,
Arnaud Mimran,
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are considered by police
to be the "Kings of Fraud".
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Carbon is a whole story.
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What do you want me to tell you?
You have to go from beginning to end.
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I don't want to tell you a useless story.
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You're not just
pissing into the wind, right?
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-[suspenseful music plays]
-[high-pitched clunks]
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[buzzes]
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[crackles]
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["Pardon Monsieur le President"
by Valentin plays]
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♪ That's it, I'm free ♪
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[mellow funk music plays]
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SUMMER
2020
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HAUTS DE SEINE JAIL
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[Marco] Thank God I've been released.
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I'll have to see what comes.
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I'll have to learn
what there is to relearn
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because by losing
seven years of your life, you miss a lot.
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[woman chuckles]
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[Marco] My life has been
packed with adrenaline,
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really fast, really full,
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but I haven't noticed my life passing by.
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Now I'm 55.
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I'm jealous of people
who have normal work.
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Now I have an electronic tag.
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I go out at 8:00 a.m.
I come back at 8:00 p.m.
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FREE DURING THE DAY
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INCARCERATED AT NIGHT
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Fuck! I'm losing my hair.
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MARDOCHÉ MOULY
AKA "STYLISH MARCO"
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Are you gonna tan
or are you gonna stay all white like that?
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-[Marco] What?
-You're looking kind of pasty.
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[Marco] Stop it, I'm tired.
Give me a break.
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[Leonard] No, but you've chosen
everything in beige or khaki.
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[Marco] But I'm sick of black.
I want to change up the color.
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When you're wearing beige,
it makes you look sick.
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STYLIST
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Red will give you a lift.
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All right, so this is a piece
we would call "strong."
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I made it for Jason Derulo
to wear for his concerts.
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So this is a piece that is strong.
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You wear it like this
and remove the hoodie when you eat.
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But isn't it too showy?
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The purpose of clothing
is-- is to impress.
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If you want to dress like just anybody,
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go to any brand,
and they'll put clothes on you.
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Me, I'm selling an attitude.
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Otherwise, I'd give you
an outfit with a tie,
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a three-piece suit with whatever,
make sure your tie is matching.
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-It's not you.
-Okay, Ju.
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If you want to stand out,
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you can match this
with a nice pair of slippers.
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Do you have slippers?
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We need to do something about your shoes
because they're lame and lame again.
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[Marco] There's more upstairs.
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-I grabbed those--
-You grabbed them to throw them out.
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[upbeat Tunisian music plays]
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[plane engine humming]
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[Marco] I came here from Tunis
when I was very, very young.
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I brought a bit of the sun with me,
but also a little Tunisian vice,
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and mixed it with old-school vice.
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[indistinct conversations]
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[Marco] I regret everything I did.
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And I'm glad I went to prison.
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Seriously! Well, not for as long as I did.
I mean, seven years is a lot.
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Before, I'd go about my business.
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It was the same thing
when it was just pennies.
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I was able to confuse the banks.
I was able to confuse businessmen.
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I was able to confuse everyone,
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but it was small,
it was-- it was-- it was legal.
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There were-- There were a few--
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Okay, a few lies.
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A few-- A few-- Not exactly empty words,
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but it was-- it was still legal.
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If you got caught, okay, you got a fine.
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Can't you see I'm talking?
I'm talking, okay?
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Listen, come on,
I've been waiting an hour.
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I swear to you on my mother's head,
I need two minutes.
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He's asking me questions.
I'll answer them, then I'll come.
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Can't you see I don't give a fuck?
I only need two minutes.
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-It's been, like, two days.
-So I present to you Serge Madar.
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Sit down, Serge.
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Serge Madar who's seen
generations and generations in Belleville.
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He worked with my grandfather.
He worked with my father.
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He worked with me.
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-Go on, louder.
-Now he's looking after my son.
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[interviewer]
What was Marco like as a kid?
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Same as now.
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He was the same, but lower status.
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After that, his status rose,
he climbed the ladder.
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SERGE MADAR
AKA "THE OLD MAN"
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Speak. It's not a book, Serge!
It sounds like you're reading a book.
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He worked at his dad's butcher shop,
but he didn't stay long.
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No, I did.
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There was a day
his dad was preparing Merguez sausages.
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Merguez are done with minced meat
and all, all the leftover cuts.
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[chuckles] And he came out--
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-Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa.
-I didn't tell 'em.
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-He pissed in the--
-No, no, no, no, no!
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-Come on!
-He pissed in the bucket.
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Hey, Serge-- Don't put that in, okay?
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-That shouldn't be talked about.
-It's just a childish prank.
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No, no, there's no child anything.
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Don't put that in. Especially that.
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Don't put that in.
Serge, we're in front of a camera.
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-So what?
-42 million people will see that.
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What 42 million?
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I swear on my mother in front
of all the cameras, you'll go to jail.
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-What jail? I didn't do anything.
-You didn't do anything?
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When did you work?
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Can we say what car you have outside?
You have a Porsche.
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Can we say how you got it?
You earn minimum wage.
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Hey, Dov.
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-Hey.
-Dov, can I get a fricassee?
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Hold on, I'll get it. What do you want?
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-What you got? Nanou!
-It's without meat.
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What do you want?
A Tunisian dish or a sandwich?
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-Hey--
-Give a sandwich-- So give a sandwich--
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-A Tunisian plate to Nanou.
-Okay.
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-I'll take this.
-There you go.
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-Whoa, stop yelling. It's okay. Come on.
-Okay, go on.
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All day long with your accounts.
You bore us with your accounts.
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You're right, but it's money, man.
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Yeah, it's money, but you're annoying.
I swear. And your brother, how's he doing?
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-Fine. And you?
-Yeah?
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-[shower running]
-[relaxing music playing]
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[Uzan] I met Marco in Belleville,
where he worked with his father.
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STEVE UZAN
A.K.A. "THE PLAYBOY"
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He really did work as a butcher.
He was his father's apprentice.
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BUTCHER SHOP
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It was a small butcher shop,
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and next to it,
I remember, there was a yard,
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where all our friends,
our buddies, played cards.
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He went out from time to time to see us,
and he'd got into the game,
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and his father would come back
and yell, "What are you doing?"
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And he would go back to work.
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But, um, he wanted to stay with us guys
and play because he liked cards.
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He loved things like that, those games.
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But he was doing it for fun.
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We played back by the dumpsters
with the old guys.
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The old-timers would
take our money playing poker.
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To be honest,
we didn't even know what poker was,
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but we wanted to play and to win money.
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We played. We lost.
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And then they'd lend us back
our own money and charge us interest.
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Marco, over time,
stopped working at the butcher shop
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because he was surrounded
by people who were in advertising,
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the head honchos of advertising.
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And that's when he got an offer,
and he started to evolve.
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And since he was a guy
who had a talent for words
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and was good at expressing himself,
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I saw him really grow.
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And that's where I discovered myself,
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where I learned how to really work.
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That's where I learned
how to be a wheeler-dealer.
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That's where I learned how to advertise
and where I learned how to talk to people.
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[journalist] Up to 50,000 investors
were victims of this far-reaching fraud.
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Gisèle Ambrosino, a painter,
was one of them.
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She bought, via a company,
several advertising spaces
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that were meant to be published
on a very large scale.
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Her ads only appeared in five magazines,
only the ones she received herself.
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[Uzan] Marco was really good
at making money. He was really smart.
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He told stories. We believed him.
We lapped up what he said.
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When you've got a way with words,
you know how to represent the product.
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It was easier to make a living.
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I did it for, maybe two, three months.
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And then I quit all that
out-- out of fear.
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It's not a job that I could've kept doing.
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[journalist] At the home
of one of the masterminds,
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investigators found large sums of money.
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There. So here you have 510,000 euros.
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That's it. That's advertising.
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I don't want to tell you more
because that's it, that's in the past.
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I was convicted of false advertising.
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In other words,
what I said over the phone wasn't true.
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I didn't know.
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I didn't know it wasn't true
to say what I said.
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Honestly, this time, for real.
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For real, believe me, I didn't know.
I found out after. It's true.
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You're gonna say, every time,
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"I didn't know at the beginning.
I found out afterwards." It's true.
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You trust a wheeler-dealer
because I believe my own words.
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I know you're laughing behind my back.
You don't believe me.
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You can't believe anything he says.
It's not just, you can't believe him.
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You can't believe
anything Marco Mouly says.
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It's 98.9% lies, and 0.2% truth.
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[balls clacking]
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DOMINIQUE GHEZ
AKA "DODO"
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Me and Marco, we were,
you could say, together 24/7.
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We were really, really, really,
really close, almost like brothers.
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He's also someone who,
thanks to his sense of humor,
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could-- could have discussions
with-- with pretty important businessmen
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and bankers or suppliers.
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And he was fun,
so he immediately charmed people.
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He was like, uh, you know,
that snake in The Jungle Book.
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[Marco] I was born poor.
I was not born rich.
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And that affected
how I approached my life.
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I got interested in people
who had a ton of money.
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Why?
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Because I wanted to learn
about their world.
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I started in Belleville.
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From Belleville, I went to the 16th.
I was one of the first to go to the 16th.
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And the 16th is all about showing off.
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From the 16th, I went to the seventh.
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The real rich ones are in the seventh.
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After that,
I was told to go to Saint-Germain.
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That's it.
That's how my career progressed.
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I followed people
throughout my career, and…
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I don't know how to put it,
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but throughout my career,
I followed the right people.
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And I've only ever had
the right people around me.
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["Pardon Monsieur le President"
plays over stereo]
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♪ I'm free ♪
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[engine revving]
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[tires squeal]
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[revs engine]
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[music stops]
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[intriguing music plays]
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GRÉGORY ZAOUI
"THE BRAIN"
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[Gregory Zaoui] I met Marco Mouly in 1997.
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He bought my restaurant
so he could partner with me
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and also he could understand
the other things I was doing.
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The restaurant, it was just a pretext
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so he could get in
and learn what I was doing,
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understand, first and foremost.
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Understand it and then exploit it.
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We created a company
in-- in the mobile phone industry.
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He knew a little bit how-- how VAT worked,
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but Mouly, in those days,
didn't really know
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how intra-community VAT fraud worked.
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[Marco] Greg, he's a genius.
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I mean, he finds a loophole
in the mobile phone industry.
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So he comes to me.
Personally, I don't understand anything.
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He does this, he says that…
Blah-blah-blah.
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I said, "Great! How much can we make?"
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He tells me.
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But I don't know what we're doing.
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Honestly!
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I thought we were
buying phones and selling phones.
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[intriguing music continues]
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[Zaoui] We could buy from wholesalers,
who were mainly located in the UK.
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We'd get large quantities
of phones and parts.
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Since you're in the EU, before tax,
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you pay, let's say,
400 euros for the phone.
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Back in France,
you sell it at the same price,
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but VAT included.
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So, 480 euros, and those 80 euros of VAT,
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instead of paying it back to the state,
you keep it for yourself.
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It's pretty sweet when you sell
thousands of phones every day.
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[Frunza] Hello.
My name is Marius-Cristian Frunza.
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I graduated from
the Polytechnique Institute,
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emissions trading.
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MARIUS-CRISTIAN FRUNZA
ECONOMIST, AUTHOR OF VAT FRAUD
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Nowadays, I live in London
and work in the FinTech sector,
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in order to offer solutions
for fighting financial crimes.
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The creation of the single
European market in 1993
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opened up new possibilities for fraud.
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It meant that merchandise could pass
between countries without getting checked.
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What happens is defrauders will buy,
for example, a cargo truck in Belgium
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for 100 euros.
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You transport it to France.
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-[blocks clatter]
-Obviously, there's no control
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at the borders anymore.
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You bring it to France
and you sell it for 120 euros.
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And the 20 euros of VAT evaporates
right into the pockets of the defrauders.
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It's like a business
that earns a guaranteed margin of 20%.
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[officer knocks on door]
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Customs police! Open up!
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[reporter] Sixty million euros
were defrauded
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from French tax authorities
over the course of four years.
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Around 30 fake companies based in Europe
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made thousands of cell phones
circulate between them
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without ever declaring the VAT.
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PATRICE AMAR
PUBLIC PROSECUTOR
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Mardoché Mouly's name
first appeared in reports on VAT fraud
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related to telephone products, mainly.
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From the very first reports
concerning Mardoché Mouly…
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No one calls me Mardoché.
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When they say, "Mouly, Mardoché,"
I say, "It's the cops."
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That's how I recognize the cops.
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We considered him
to be a dangerous individual
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both to the public and the economy,
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and his behavior I wouldn't hesitate
to describe as parasitic behavior.
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We considered them to be
some sort of public targets,
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that is to say,
people who had to be neutralized
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for the public good.
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I also found myself in custody.
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This company was managed
by me and him together.
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But I totally trusted him.
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And let's say that management,
at this time, wasn't his strong suit.
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[chuckles]
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With Greg Zaoui, I did nothing abnormal.
We got caught. I did three years.
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But I don't hold it against him.
I used to blame him for a very long time.
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But I got over it.
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I don't hold grudges.
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[Nanou] And it looks
the same as the iPhone?
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It's the same. The phone that I have,
this iPhone, it was 400 euros.
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Well, what is it?
Is it a copy or is it new?
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No, no way! It's brand new.
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It's 5G. What are you talking about?
Don't talk crazy.
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Are you gonna have some in stock?
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I already have some in stock.
I've got 15,000.
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-Fifteen thousand?
-Fifteen thou--
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No, I don't have 15,000 in stock.
I've got 1,000 in stock,
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but I ordered 15,000.
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It's just, I don't have
the money to get the whole 15.
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It must cost an arm and a leg.
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Another thing.
[bleeps] Do you got my money?
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-For tomorrow, God willing.
-No.
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-What?
-By tomorrow, by tomorrow, God willing.
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-'Cause I'm counting on you.
-You'll get two stacks tomorrow and--
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I swear on my mom's life,
I'm gonna put pressure on you… [bleeps]
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-Like you've never felt in your life.
-I'm gonna… [bleeps] …hang up.
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-Thanks, Marco.
-No, you… [bleeps]
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I've got no cash for the weekend.
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I'll give you 2,000. I've got 3,000.
I'm keeping 1,000 for the weekend.
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You shut up! You've got credit cards!
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-I don't!
-Shut up. You've got credit cards.
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But I don't got any credit cards!
I don't do cards anymore.
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I'll give 2,000 to you and 1,000 to me.
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Okay, and when's the rest coming?
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-Uh, end of the week, by the afternoon.
-Then we'll be square.
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If you want.
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Okay, sure, enough. It's exhausting.
Besides that, what are you up to?
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-What am I up to?
-What are you up to?
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You went back to your wife?
You didn't go back to your wife?
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Of course. I returned to the fold!
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Ah. [chuckles]
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[Nanou laughs]
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[exciting music plays]
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[engine revving]
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[Marco] Do you think we can go faster?
Can we go faster or not?
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[interviewer] A little bit, maybe.
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[Marco] Greg, when he steals or cheats,
he thinks he's doing a job.
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I mean, when he's talking,
either I'm the crazy one,
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or he's the really crazy one.
I think it's him.
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Careful, though.
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I'm not criticizing Greg Zaoui
because I like Greg Zaoui, okay?
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But there are times when I don't know
what's going on inside his head.
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[Zaoui] In 2004, when I ended up
in custody for that case with Marco Mouly,
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I was in a cell
with a man of a certain age
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who talked to me about ecology,
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who told me
that the ecology market was the future.
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And he went on and on about ecology.
Ecology this, ecology that.
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So when I got out,
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I quickly took an interest in this market.
I tried to understand it.
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[journalists] Greenland is melting.
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The sea levels will be rising
about two to three meters.
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Just some of the realities
on the horizon for the 22nd century.
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Global warming
is increasing faster than we thought.
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Floods have affected
hundreds of millions of people.
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Gigantic fires have hit California.
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It is no longer the time
for us to only look out for ourselves.
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Our home is burning.
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JACQUES CHIRAC
PRESIDENT OF FRANCE 1995-2007
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And we're looking the other way.
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We won't be able to say
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that we didn't know.
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[Nicolas Hulot] This was a phrase
that really hit home.
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Several people have laid claim
to coming up with it.
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I often think I came up with it,
but whatever.
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NICOLAS HULOT
FORMER MINISTER OF ECOLOGY
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[journalist] In Kyoto, 38 countries
are finally finding a common ground.
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By 2012, they agree to reduce
their gas emissions by 5.2%.
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The Kyoto Protocol has highlighted
the complexity of the negotiations.
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Finally, the Americans
were saying to the Chinese,
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"You're the largest emitter
of greenhouse gases."
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But the Chinese were saying,
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"Yes, but per inhabitant,
you emit four times more than we do."
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So what the economists
who first took an interest in this subject
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were advising at that time was that
we should put a price on carbon emissions,
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so that everyone had an incentive
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to reduce their consumption
and their use of fossil fuels.
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KYOTO PROTOCOL
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In the wake of the Kyoto Protocol,
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Europe has taken the initiative to create
the world's first right to pollute market.
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In other words,
businesses that emit lots of CO2
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can buy pollution quotas
from those that emit less.
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-[clinks, buzzes]
-[mysterious music plays]
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I heard about a market that was emerging.
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The carbon pollution market
and the carbon tax.
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I tried to understand what it was.
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[journalist] Direction: Paris.
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We're at the premises of BlueNext,
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one of the CO2 quotas trading platforms.
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We're at the heart of the carbon market.
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This is where buyers and sellers
conduct their transactions.
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[Zaoui] It's very simple.
It's just regulations.
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If they go over,
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they'll need to buy more
on the carbon emissions quota market.
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And if they don't go over,
they can sell what they haven't consumed.
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I asked a question,
the million-dollar question.
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Does VAT apply to those quotas?
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A few days later,
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I called them up
and asked if I could register.
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[pen clatters]
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The creators of the system
made two big mistakes.
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First, they simplified and minimized
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the procedures needed
to enter this market.
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Anybody, and I do mean anybody,
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was able to set up a company
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and start buying
and selling carbon emissions.
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I filled out a form and registered.
I was the 21st company to sign up.
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-[beeping]
-[intriguing music plays]
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Second mistake,
they made their operations subject to VAT.
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Obviously, criminals didn't waste time
in taking advantage of this system.
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-[shots echo]
-[casings clink]
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It's pretty amazing.
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-[shot echoes]
-[casing clinks]
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BERNARD PETIT
EX-CHIEF OF POLICE
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What's incredible is the ability
of these organizations, these groups,
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to keep up to date
with legislation and innovation.
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00:22:34,919 --> 00:22:38,720
You'd think they'd subscribed
to Legislation France magazine
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and had read it before you.
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Before even knowing what would happen
between 2008 and 2009
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with the massive siphoning off of VAT,
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yeah, there was a trial run,
a warm-up that was done
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by someone known in the world of fraud,
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and who made a first attempt
and figured out how it works.
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I did a test, I think,
with about 30,000 euros.
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30,000 PRE-TAX
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I'd buy some, I'd put it up for sale,
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and within a few minutes,
a few seconds even,
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I am credited with 30,000 euros plus VAT.
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+6,000 VAT
36,000 WITH TAX
469
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,760
I think, "This is too easy."
470
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,000
Is there a trap? Something to hide?
471
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,760
It's too simple.
It seemed so simple to me.
472
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,679
So I gave the tip to two people,
473
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,800
who spread it around,
474
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,840
and those other people
spread it around again.
475
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,000
From that moment on,
476
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,399
the news spread between scammers
that there's something going on there.
477
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,280
So from this first attempt
that dates back to 2005,
478
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:47,399
to the enormous siphoning off
that started in mid-2008
479
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,000
until the end of the second quarter 2009,
480
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,960
this whole period was used
481
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,320
to refine, prepare,
and establish the entire operation.
482
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,800
Why didn't we do
the carbon thing together?
483
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:02,320
Uh…
484
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,960
Good question.
Because I didn't know there was carbon.
485
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,399
I knew nothing about carbon.
486
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,560
I believed it was oxygen
for the firefighters,
487
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,679
and that's the truth.
488
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,880
I understood carbon
by the end when I was convicted.
489
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,480
So let me explain to you that at the time
of the carbon thing, I am broke.
490
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,080
And when I say broke, I mean broke.
491
00:24:21,159 --> 00:24:24,120
I hear people talking about carbon,
blah-blah-blah-blah.
492
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,120
And one day,
there were two people who came to see me
493
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,360
to say, "Marco, we want to talk to you."
494
00:24:30,439 --> 00:24:31,800
This is how it happened.
495
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,960
"We have to talk."
496
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,720
I said, "Okay, tell me."
497
00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,200
They said,
"We know you're dealing in carbon."
498
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,840
But I don't even know what carbon is!
499
00:24:40,919 --> 00:24:42,200
[chuckles]
500
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,439
So I said, "Okay, but first,
who told you I was in carbon?"
501
00:24:46,439 --> 00:24:47,399
"Nobody knows."
502
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,919
"And I don't want it to be known."
503
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,200
-You were bluffing, right?
-Of course I had to bluff!
504
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,720
They tell me, "So, Marco,
we earn five million a week."
505
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,040
Then they tell me, "It's Greg."
506
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:00,880
-Why?
-I tell them, "Show me Greg's accounts."
507
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,320
And there I see all of Greg's money.
508
00:25:03,399 --> 00:25:05,040
[grunting dramatically]
509
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:07,880
This is how I entered this profession,
510
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,480
because I saw real money.
511
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,640
I'm telling you,
I got into carbon because of you,
512
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,280
because I saw your cash.
513
00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,040
-That's it.
-I didn't know.
514
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:21,240
A guy like Zaoui,
he had a registration number on BlueNext.
515
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,040
But Zaoui, he's not really a broker.
He only trades for himself.
516
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,480
He doesn't trade for others.
He only trades for himself.
517
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,040
-[interviewer] Why's the broker important?
-Why's the broker important?
518
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,720
If the teams don't have a broker,
they have nothing.
519
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,679
They'd have computers,
but they'd be useless.
520
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,760
[mellow funk music plays]
521
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,919
[Amar] A broker gives access
to the market.
522
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,280
He is the gateway,
523
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:51,480
and he is normally required to do
a certain number of verifications.
524
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,640
In particular, verifications
of the tax obligations
525
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,560
of the companies he works with.
526
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,919
Therefore, the broker is also what
can help you gain the trust of BlueNext.
527
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,280
So having a broker
who was a pre-existing broker,
528
00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,480
not a brokerage that appeared overnight
just for carbon emissions trading,
529
00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:15,399
that's an excellent business card
to use in order to gain access.
530
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,640
Six months later, I found, I did,
531
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,280
the best broker
that traded in all of France.
532
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,199
-[man speaking indistinctly in Russian]
-Klapucki.
533
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,320
So what did I do?
I looked for his telephone number.
534
00:26:36,399 --> 00:26:38,280
Bam, bam, bam. I managed to find it.
535
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:41,040
He said, "What do you want?"
I said, "I need to discuss a few things."
536
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:42,240
He says, "All right."
537
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,480
-He meets me at the Ritz in Warsaw.
-[jet engine humming]
538
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,600
WARSAW - POLAND
539
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,320
I'm dressed to perfection.
540
00:26:52,399 --> 00:26:55,800
I wait for an hour until 5:00 p.m.,
then the guy calls me and says,
541
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760
"Yes, hello. Who are you?"
542
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,560
Then I started talking about VAT.
543
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,520
I said, "Everyone knows
what you do with VAT."
544
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,120
"You're going to prison."
The guy starts shitting himself.
545
00:27:04,199 --> 00:27:05,199
"But don't worry."
546
00:27:05,919 --> 00:27:08,480
"I've got it under control.
I know how to keep you safe."
547
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,919
"I know you don't steal VAT
'cause you're a broker,
548
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,439
and you live abroad,
so you don't take the VAT."
549
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,000
"But you do provide an important piece
of the puzzle in setting up the VAT."
550
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,840
The guy was red all over, all pale…
551
00:27:20,919 --> 00:27:23,640
I had him. That was it.
He was mine, all mine.
552
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,399
The guy said,
"Okay, Marco, whatever you want."
553
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,560
I tell him, "Here's what we'll do."
554
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,360
"Any client who calls,
I keep an eye on them,
555
00:27:30,439 --> 00:27:32,480
I tell you yes or no. Does that work?"
556
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,560
Marco Mouly had this relationship
with a broker he'd found
557
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,120
who was his most valuable cog
in the machine.
558
00:27:42,199 --> 00:27:43,679
After that, I was the boss.
559
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,880
All the teams were kissing my ass.
560
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,640
They were saying,
"Marco, you're the best."
561
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,600
"Marco, you're awesome and you're great."
562
00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:51,199
Before that, no one spoke to me.
563
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,760
[Amar] One of them brings the broker,
this was Mardoché Mouly.
564
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:02,679
Thank you, Alain.
565
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,960
Then you had the logistics,
which was provided by Samy Souied,
566
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,040
who already had experience, actually,
567
00:28:10,199 --> 00:28:13,520
in classic VAT fraud,
in trading physical goods.
568
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,919
And from there in Israel, where he lived,
569
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,040
he could also place the orders by phone,
570
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,720
uh, to the brokers for-- for the market.
571
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,960
He could do many things from a distance.
572
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,040
[intriguing music playing]
573
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,159
[Marco] Samy was always
a brother, a friend.
574
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,560
And we'd argue,
575
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,640
so out of 365 days a year,
we wouldn't talk for 360.
576
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,800
And Samy, he grew up
much faster than everyone else,
577
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,560
thanks to his brothers,
thanks to his father,
578
00:28:45,639 --> 00:28:48,840
who was a jeweler in Belleville,
who owned clubs in Montmartre,
579
00:28:48,919 --> 00:28:51,840
who had money before the money.
580
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:53,199
It means… How do I put it?
581
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,320
People want money, but them,
they made money from the money.
582
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,639
[Monnier] Marco Mouly
and Samy Souied were neighbors.
583
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040
They have a family connection.
They're from the same world.
584
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,639
VINCENT MONNIER
INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST
585
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,360
They started doing their first scams
together often with advertising.
586
00:29:08,439 --> 00:29:11,000
And they both started
to take part in the cons.
587
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,480
They went to pick up checks
from the businesses that were scammed.
588
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,320
And also, well, that's when they started
having trouble with the law.
589
00:29:17,399 --> 00:29:19,399
[ominous music plays]
590
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,760
Samy Souied, he wasn't
very exuberant or extravagant.
591
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,000
JÉRÔME PIERRAT
JOURNALIST - SPECIALIST IN ORGANIZED CRIME
592
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600
As far as we know,
he was an unassuming guy, quiet,
593
00:29:28,679 --> 00:29:32,959
a guy who kept a close eye on his money,
who-- who paid very close attention to it.
594
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,280
He wouldn't go blowing lots of cash
on nights in Paris doing whatever.
595
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,080
He would rather
stick his savings in a safe.
596
00:29:39,159 --> 00:29:43,159
In comparison,
Marco Mouly was the polar opposite.
597
00:29:44,439 --> 00:29:48,679
Samy, he liked to be discreet,
always with his wife and kids.
598
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,199
But then there was my lifestyle,
that he liked.
599
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,240
My lifestyle that
he would have liked to live,
600
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,720
but that he couldn't live.
601
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,399
That's why we saw each other.
602
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,800
And when we had important meetings,
I'd let Samy do the talking.
603
00:29:59,879 --> 00:30:02,240
He used to say, "Keep your mouth shut."
604
00:30:02,919 --> 00:30:04,320
"Don't say a single word."
605
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:06,720
"Okay, Samy, not a single word."
606
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,840
"But then why am I here if I can't talk?"
607
00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,360
He'd tell me… [claps]
"If I'm stuck, you attack."
608
00:30:12,439 --> 00:30:13,439
"Okay."
609
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,120
So we'd arrive at the meeting. "Hi."
610
00:30:15,199 --> 00:30:16,720
"Hi. Marco, how's it going?"
611
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,840
"No, Samy said keep my mouth shut."
612
00:30:18,919 --> 00:30:21,720
And right away,
Samy's conversation plan would fall apart.
613
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,000
I liked to piss him off because
I wanted to get into the conversation.
614
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:30,360
[Pierrat] Samy Souied,
after the fake advertising cases,
615
00:30:30,439 --> 00:30:33,760
he would also be brought in for,
or at least have legal issues,
616
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,320
because he was suspected
of laundering money that he stole,
617
00:30:37,399 --> 00:30:40,120
that he swindled
from doing fake ads for horse racing.
618
00:30:40,199 --> 00:30:42,240
People called him the Hippodrome Kingpin.
619
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,159
He even bought two racehorses,
Gemba du Vivier and Ksaco Phédo.
620
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,600
[commentator] What a horse! What a driver!
621
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:51,120
Kesaco Phédo, you've thrilled us.
622
00:30:51,199 --> 00:30:53,480
-That much is clear!
-[crowd cheering, applauding]
623
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,800
-[buzzes, clinks]
-[suspenseful music plays]
624
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,240
[indistinct chatter]
625
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,840
EMMANUELLE ELBAZ-PHELPS
ISRAELI TV JOURNALIST
626
00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:18,040
Samy emigrated to Israel,
according to some people,
627
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,480
because he felt he was in danger in France
and he thought it was time to leave.
628
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
But his relatives say
he has always been a Zionist,
629
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,040
he had always been
very active in the Jewish community,
630
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,360
and he wanted to live
in Israel at some point.
631
00:31:30,439 --> 00:31:35,639
And a few months later,
he hears about the gas market exchange,
632
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,320
and asks a close friend
to check and verify what it is.
633
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,360
The person comes back saying,
"It's not gas. It's CO2."
634
00:31:43,439 --> 00:31:45,080
In terms of the number of people
635
00:31:45,159 --> 00:31:47,480
who were involved
in the CO2 scam in Israel,
636
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,399
there's maybe only 10, 20, 30.
637
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,840
They generally speak French,
a little Hebrew.
638
00:31:54,919 --> 00:31:56,600
But in terms of numbers…
639
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,280
it's a small group within Israeli society,
640
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,000
truly a microcosm.
641
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,199
And so they really live just together.
642
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,840
What you have to understand
is that, in the beginning,
643
00:32:10,919 --> 00:32:12,959
Samy Souied didn't work with Marco Mouly.
644
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,639
He had another team.
645
00:32:14,719 --> 00:32:17,719
He set up another team
with other associates. It didn't go well.
646
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,760
This would have been in autumn of 2008.
647
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,520
They had delays. Things didn't go well.
648
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,080
They split up,
and he was looking for new partners.
649
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:25,719
That's when Marco Mouly comes to him.
650
00:32:26,639 --> 00:32:29,280
He was the one
in direct contact with the team's broker,
651
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:31,360
Jaroslav Klapucki.
652
00:32:31,439 --> 00:32:35,240
At first, Samy Souied is a little hesitant
to partner up with Marco Mouly.
653
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,000
He doesn't trust him.
He knew he liked to talk a lot.
654
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,600
But Marco Mouly had an ace up his sleeve.
655
00:32:40,679 --> 00:32:41,879
He had a financial backer,
656
00:32:41,959 --> 00:32:44,320
and he could put
eight million on the table.
657
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:45,600
This backer was Arnaud Mimran.
658
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,679
[mellow jazz music plays]
659
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,959
ÉMILIE FRÈCHE
NOVELIST, CHILDHOOD FRIEND
660
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,840
I met Arnaud
when I was about 15 years old.
661
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:10,240
He was the type
who always wore linen suits in summer,
662
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,360
whose hair was a little long,
663
00:33:12,439 --> 00:33:13,800
like he was from Florida.
664
00:33:13,879 --> 00:33:16,199
A slice of Florida in Paris' 16th.
665
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,240
I remember him as a boy who always
had cash in his pocket, who was…
666
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,919
who loved to drive in flashy cars.
667
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,840
That's about it.
668
00:33:24,919 --> 00:33:28,480
He was someone who… who was flamboyant
669
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,560
and who stood out from the world
of Parisian Jews in the 16th,
670
00:33:32,639 --> 00:33:35,040
who are super bourgeois, super…
671
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,520
There's a fuck-you… side to him,
672
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,480
uh, that I thought was pretty cool
673
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,679
because he was
like a character in a novel.
674
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,159
-When he married Anna…
-[intriguing music plays]
675
00:33:47,639 --> 00:33:49,919
…he also married
the daughter of a billionaire,
676
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:51,399
Claude Dray.
677
00:33:52,719 --> 00:33:55,199
And I was a close friend
of the girl who would become his wife.
678
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,480
Her name was Anna Dray.
679
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,159
So there were four Dray sisters.
680
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,480
They were spoiled rotten by their father,
681
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,320
made of money.
682
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,880
If I had to think about it today,
they were like the Kardashians.
683
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,600
I mean, their dad
could never refuse them anything,
684
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:15,880
but he was a good man.
685
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,679
CLAUDE DRAY
ARNAUD'S FATHER-IN-LAW
686
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,839
I've always seen
Claude and Arnaud as very close.
687
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,080
And he was the beloved son-in-law,
you know?
688
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,040
And Arnaud played the game right away.
689
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,319
As soon as he married Anna,
he changed course.
690
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,080
Would he have married Anna
if she had been poor?
691
00:34:34,799 --> 00:34:35,799
I don't know.
692
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,760
[upbeat music plays]
693
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,799
That guy looks like Satan,
I swear on my mother's life.
694
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,799
With his broom, he looks like a witch!
695
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,000
-That guy scared me.
-[people laughing]
696
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Where did you find this extra?
697
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,560
You didn't pay him. He must've paid you.
I swear on my mother.
698
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,319
Arnaud was a guy
I knew by name, by reputation.
699
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,520
Just like he knew me by reputation.
700
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,520
And when people are rolling in the dough
and reach the height of their business,
701
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,680
they all want to know each other
and do deals with each other.
702
00:35:08,319 --> 00:35:09,400
So when Arnaud arrived,
703
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,760
I saw him come to Deauville,
he saw me in Deauville.
704
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:13,319
We both went out of our way to meet.
705
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,839
Please, Arnaud, come tell us all about it.
706
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,240
Come on, Arnaud!
707
00:35:18,319 --> 00:35:20,520
Look at this playboy.
I swear on my mother.
708
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,480
-Look at this playboy.
-[woman laughs]
709
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,640
It's him, Arnaud Mimran!
710
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,080
-It's him!
-[people cheering]
711
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,760
-He's here!
-[scattered applause]
712
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,560
Arnaud Mimran, Mardoché Mouly
do not come from the same world.
713
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,120
JEAN-MARC FÉDIDA
ARNAUD MIMRAN'S LAWYER
714
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,960
And the only territory
in which they could possibly meet
715
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,520
was basically the green mat
of a poker table.
716
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,120
Arnaud Mimran probably thinks
717
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,720
that Mardoché Mouly is
718
00:35:49,319 --> 00:35:52,960
a man who's amusing,
transgressive, but harmless.
719
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,760
And Mardoché Mouly thinks
720
00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:59,520
that Arnaud Mimran is someone who's
721
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,880
free from the constraints of propriety,
722
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,080
eager to slum it,
723
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,200
and immensely wealthy.
724
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,440
[balls clack]
725
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:13,760
[Ghez] At this time,
726
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:16,600
Marco, uh, let's just say,
he was kind of broke.
727
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,600
He didn't have much money left.
728
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,080
And there was someone-- someone else
729
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,600
who apparently called Marco
to tell him to come to Deauville,
730
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,280
and who apparently wanted
to introduce him to Arnaud.
731
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,280
And Arnaud wanted to meet him,
732
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,440
because he had heard about him.
733
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,160
So Marco rushed with his family, his car,
off to Deauville, and they met.
734
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,920
I arrived at the casino.
735
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,400
There was a roulette table,
and I keep playing eight, eight,
736
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,880
-eight, eight, eight, eight.
-[ball clinking]
737
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,880
It doesn't come up.
738
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
In the end,
all that's left is 10,000 euros.
739
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:46,680
I bet it on the eight.
740
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,319
And in my head,
I'm like, "If it doesn't come up,
741
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,440
I'll take my shoe
and I'll smash it on the eight."
742
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,720
And there I was, the eight didn't come up.
743
00:36:53,799 --> 00:36:55,640
-Boom! I smashed it.
-[chips clatter]
744
00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:57,880
-[intriguing music plays]
-That's the shoe story.
745
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Everyone laughed, Arnaud was the first,
746
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,080
'cause no one can do that
at a casino table.
747
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,720
He was smiling, so obviously he liked it.
748
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,280
He liked the gesture.
He was like that too.
749
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,000
Arnaud called me and said, "Do you wanna
come over to my place for dinner today?"
750
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,359
So I get there, big table, caterers…
751
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,920
Bam, bam, bam, tac, tac, tac.
752
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,440
I see bankers,
I see businessmen, I see everyone.
753
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,000
I think, "This is how
I'm getting back in the game."
754
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,640
My wife arrives and says,
"Marco, it's amazing."
755
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:26,480
She said, "My little man,
you better work hard because I want this."
756
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,200
[indistinct chatter]
757
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,720
[Ghez] Arnaud was working
in the stock market.
758
00:37:34,799 --> 00:37:36,760
He was a broker for massive platforms.
759
00:37:36,839 --> 00:37:39,880
He was someone
who, to us, was super loaded.
760
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,520
[music fades]
761
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,520
At first, Arnaud Mimran
was a total stranger
762
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,600
to the world of, uh, VAT
763
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,480
and VAT fraud.
764
00:37:55,560 --> 00:38:01,400
Arnaud Mimran had mostly been moving
in financial circles as, uh-- as a broker,
765
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,200
and as a partner
at a management firm called 3A Trade.
766
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:09,680
He'd been the center of attention,
you could say,
767
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,880
at the stock operations commission
768
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,480
after a series of transactions
that he was suspected of
769
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,040
but never convicted of,
770
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,359
uh, we need to be clear about that,
771
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,720
of insider trading.
772
00:38:21,799 --> 00:38:23,880
[mellow music plays]
773
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,839
[Pierrat] There's a bad-boy-made-good vibe
with Arnaud Mimran that is surprising.
774
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,760
He's a guy that you could see
just as easily in high society
775
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:34,440
as with a former drug smuggler
or bank robber.
776
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,359
This is his bad boy side.
777
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,440
And then three weeks later,
you'd see him in Tel Aviv
778
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,359
at a fundraising dinner
for Bibi Netanyahu's Likud party.
779
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,600
Why are people like Souied and Mouly
fascinated with him?
780
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,640
As Mimran was in a whole other league.
781
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,440
Ever since he was a kid,
he knew other people
782
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,839
so he had a real list of contacts.
783
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,280
He grew up in the 16th district.
He knew respectable, honorable people.
784
00:38:58,359 --> 00:39:00,480
He was part of high society.
785
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,120
Arnaud Mimran wasn't a poser.
He truly is from that world,
786
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,440
the world of the rich
and the world of-- of old money.
787
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,200
And the other two, obviously,
who grew up in Belleville, and, I mean…
788
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,400
Well, they were fascinated,
789
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,000
fascinated because he was
what they had always wanted to be.
790
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,880
And for the first time,
they had a way to be like him.
791
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,480
Well, they didn't have the social codes,
but they had the money.
792
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,560
[ominous music plays]
793
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,839
[Amar] In the beginning,
they looked around the table,
794
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,720
and they see they need,
uh, well, some investors,
795
00:39:31,799 --> 00:39:34,319
who are going to put up some money.
796
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,839
It's like creating a start-up.
797
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,920
[indistinct chatter]
798
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,400
[Amar] Arnaud Mimran was someone
who had gone through higher education
799
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,480
and had been making it
in the financial world.
800
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,720
And we thought he must have contributed
a certain amount of technical knowledge,
801
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,040
uh, since the carbon market
and the way it operates
802
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,359
is closer to the stock market
803
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,920
than, uh, the world of mobile phones,
804
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,920
that are usually sold wholesale in shops.
805
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:09,160
What needs to be understood
806
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,839
is that this type of infraction,
at that scale,
807
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,960
would need "financial engineering"
808
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,720
to create fictitious companies
all over the world,
809
00:40:18,799 --> 00:40:20,680
and they'd open offshore accounts.
810
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:25,480
Mainly-- Mainly, the important thing
that I handled was the banks.
811
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,440
I mean, when it came down to business,
I knew how to talk to bankers.
812
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,680
Because when you meet a banker,
you need a story.
813
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,920
You don't just show up
with a tired, old company,
814
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,120
saying… [meekly] "Hello, sir.
Would you mind if I open a bank account?"
815
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,680
"Sure. What's your net gain?"
816
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,839
Pointless. I come and say, "Hello, sir."
817
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,160
"I'm here because of my dad.
I've inherited 300 million euros."
818
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,799
"Well, I'll give you a chance."
819
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:49,760
"I'll do a trial run,
820
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:53,319
and if you're good,
I'll let you handle my family portfolio."
821
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,520
Ah! The banker would go crazy.
822
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,440
He'd roll out the red carpet
for that company,
823
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,240
but that company is worth zero.
824
00:40:59,319 --> 00:41:01,000
But you have to give him a good story.
825
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560
-[gentle music plays]
-[jet engine humming]
826
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,799
NICOSIA - CYPRUS
827
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,520
[indistinct conversations]
828
00:41:10,359 --> 00:41:12,600
[Marco] One day,
I went to Cyprus to open accounts.
829
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,520
I go to Cyprus.
830
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,480
I bring my staff.
831
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,480
Who's my staff?
832
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,319
I bring a secretary,
and I dress her to perfection in a suit.
833
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,359
Bam, bam, bam. I buy her a briefcase.
834
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,359
It's empty,
there's just a pen and paper in it.
835
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,319
I bring a fake bodyguard
with a talkie-walkie.
836
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,760
That guy, if you… [blows] …he'd fall over,
but he weighs 400 kilos.
837
00:41:28,839 --> 00:41:29,960
So I show up at the bank,
838
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,240
but I had no idea
that's how things were gonna go.
839
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:34,080
I thought it was gonna be really hard.
840
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,040
I looked at the bank.
841
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,319
There was some weird name
in Cypriot letters.
842
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,839
But it looked like a pizzeria.
843
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,000
The banker would say, "CO2, that's great.
Account here, that's great."
844
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,960
And we'd get in and open an account.
845
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,040
By spring 2008, the market is explosive.
846
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,120
[mysterious music plays]
847
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:01,080
In reality, those transactions
were completely inflated and artificial,
848
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,160
since the only thing
that interested all these people
849
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,799
was collecting VAT
without having to repay it.
850
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,480
In fact, people think it's complicated,
851
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,839
but, honestly, it's child's play.
It's really simple.
852
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,640
[child] Child's play?
853
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:15,760
Okay, don't overdo it,
but I'll try to explain it to you anyway.
854
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,839
You've set up two companies,
855
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,920
one in France and one
in another country inside the EU.
856
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,319
Your German company buys
a carbon quota worth one million euros
857
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,920
on the BlueNext market.
858
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,120
Since it's an exchange between companies
from two countries in the EU,
859
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,120
VAT is not applicable.
860
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,560
Then, your German company
resells its quotas
861
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,960
to your France-based company.
862
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,000
And now your French company
resells it all to BlueNext.
863
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:51,200
Since both companies are in France,
VAT applies, and you receive 1.2 million.
864
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,960
In principle, these 200,000 euros of VAT
you have to return to the State,
865
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,960
unless you disappear
and send your money to offshore accounts.
866
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,720
In a few minutes, you've earned,
867
00:43:06,799 --> 00:43:09,720
well, stolen 200,000 euros.
868
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,520
And you do it again,
again, again and again.
869
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,640
And you can circulate that money
between Hong Kong, Singapore,
870
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,120
or any tax haven.
871
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,319
Some people stopped
after pocketing a few million euros.
872
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,240
But there are others,
like the trio Mimran, Mouly, and Souied,
873
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,560
who preferred to play and play
up till the very end.
874
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,400
Just like poker addicts
875
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,200
who'd say "all in" every round
before even looking at their hand.
876
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,240
[interviewer] Every day, they reinvested
everything they had? It was a circle?
877
00:43:57,319 --> 00:43:59,080
I think it was several times a day.
878
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,359
Every time you do a transaction,
you make a 20% profit,
879
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,120
which is a significant amount.
880
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,520
There's no return that high
in the honest economy,
881
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,359
financially speaking.
882
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,720
So it moved-- it moved very quickly.
883
00:44:12,799 --> 00:44:14,799
[suspenseful music plays]
884
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
So Samy Souied set up a team.
885
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Everyone has a very precise role.
886
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,000
The most important thing
887
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,319
is not to be caught
with your hand in the cookie jar.
888
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
You have to work all day,
could be in front of a computer.
889
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,640
A phone, a computer,
that's all you need to do the job.
890
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,359
It's long hours,
and in order to not get caught, they move.
891
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,640
It takes place once for a few days
in a hotel room in Tel Aviv.
892
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:53,040
And then they move
to a house in Herzliya and move again.
893
00:44:53,799 --> 00:44:58,720
Marco, during these eight months
when the CO2 scam is going on,
894
00:44:58,799 --> 00:45:01,600
he doesn't stay in Israel the whole time.
He goes back and forth.
895
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,000
We know this because
we've seen his entries and exits
896
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,400
in the police reports
from Ben Gurion Airport.
897
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,520
We also see that on several occasions
he meets with Arnaud Mimran in Israel.
898
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,000
He comes to supervise.
899
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,359
Sometimes he comes
to finalize some things with Samy,
900
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,760
who asked him to hire the brokers.
901
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:23,280
He's the commercial side of the group,
and he therefore has a specific role.
902
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:25,480
He needs, from time to time, to be there.
903
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,160
[Zaoui] In October 2008, I heard a rumor
that Marco Mouly had entered the market.
904
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:35,520
I say to myself, "This won't last long."
905
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,080
When he shows up, wherever,
906
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,440
nothing ever survives.
907
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,440
-[whirring]
-[mellow music plays]
908
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,240
The Bank of France
had its doors wide open.
909
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:50,200
You could go with your cart
and put the money in.
910
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,920
Well, yeah. That's the truth.
[inhales sharply]
911
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Unfortunately, I didn't earn a franc.
912
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,720
And I didn't participate.
913
00:45:56,799 --> 00:45:58,879
The judges had forbidden me
to leave the country,
914
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,280
so I couldn't go to Vegas or anywhere.
I stayed in France.
915
00:46:03,319 --> 00:46:05,000
I was invited, but I couldn't go.
916
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,720
I couldn't go have fun.
917
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,760
[upbeat music plays]
918
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,359
[Marco] The Triple Seven,
it's a private jet from Las Vegas,
919
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,920
belonging to the Wynn, and it's used
for picking up the biggest clients.
920
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,520
They got us an Asian orchestra
921
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:25,080
to amuse us, to entertain us,
to start creating an atmosphere
922
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,000
to separate us from our money, you know?
923
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,200
But we were bursting at the seams.
924
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,359
To them, we were just a bunch of suckers.
925
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,560
-[plane engine humming]
-[dramatic music plays]
926
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,240
You get to Las Vegas.
You're being welcomed,
927
00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:46,319
"Yeah. Yes, yes, Mr. Mouly.
The Rolls awaits you."
928
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,640
"You have $3 million at your disposal."
929
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,200
You don't understand anything.
You say, "Oh, that's all?"
930
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,280
You think you're "Boof" Daddy.
931
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:55,200
[dramatic music continues]
932
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,359
You go to the restaurant, the guy
serves you a bottle of wine for $45,000.
933
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,480
[imitates sipping]
934
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,280
[smacks lips] Good.
935
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:05,280
But really you don't know
if it's water or wine.
936
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,240
Anyone else would've hidden it.
Marco, to be honest,
937
00:47:09,319 --> 00:47:12,640
maybe he was scared, but he wanted
to spend it all day long. [laughs]
938
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:13,920
THIERRY SMADJA
AKA "TITI"
939
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,240
But it's hard to spend that much.
940
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:18,799
I challenge you
to spend 100,000-200,000 a day.
941
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,200
[Marco] The world's
most luxurious palaces.
942
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,359
A housemaid stays in the room 24/7.
943
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,560
At any time, you wake up,
944
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,359
you need a bonbon,
there's someone to put it in your mouth.
945
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,240
You don't want it to end.
Every hour, I needed something.
946
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,520
[exciting music playing]
947
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,400
To the creator of Las Vegas,
I say, "Bravo, bravo."
948
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,680
"Bravo." It's Euro-Disney for adults.
949
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,040
That's what Las Vegas is.
950
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,920
There were the main players
who were real people,
951
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,000
but there were also
these kind of secondary players,
952
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,359
who were Ferraris,
McLarens, Rolexes, poker tables.
953
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,440
[Madar] One day,
Arnaud went with Samy to Las Vegas.
954
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,080
Samy lost one or maybe 1.5 million euros.
955
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,839
And Arnaud said, "It's okay.
I'll pay for it all. It's a gift from me."
956
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,560
Arnaud doesn't give a shit about money.
957
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,920
Whether he wins or not,
as long as he's having fun.
958
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,120
His life is all about having fun.
959
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,359
His life is about pleasure.
What does that mean?
960
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,480
It means, one day,
I was playing poker, and he told a guy,
961
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,720
"Eat two bananas with the skin on,
and I'll give you 30,000."
962
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:29,319
Well, even I wanted to eat those bananas.
963
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,440
The guy picks up the bananas and scoffs.
964
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:32,720
[grunting dramatically]
965
00:48:32,799 --> 00:48:34,160
He pays the 30,000.
966
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,160
Ten minutes later, the guy's on the floor
and needs an ambulance.
967
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:40,680
DECEMBER 2008 - JANUARY 2009
968
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,480
["Oulalala" by Kimotion
& Angie Robba plays]
969
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:45,240
-[Marco laughs]
-[Souied] Come on.
970
00:48:45,319 --> 00:48:47,440
[Marco] It overflows from everywhere.
It just grows.
971
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,359
The Vegas insanity continues.
972
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,680
They go to Las Vegas
with millions of euros
973
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,680
that they know
they'll throw away that same night.
974
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,920
But what did they want?
To be seen losing those millions.
975
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,240
That's all they cared about.
976
00:48:58,319 --> 00:48:59,839
What's the point of being a millionaire
977
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,200
if you live off rubber in the Amazon?
They're not those kind of guys.
978
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:07,520
At some point,
they were in a nightclub in Marrakesh,
979
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,879
and Marco starts throwing
these, uh, bank notes from the mezzanine.
980
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,799
We're in a Scorsese movie.
981
00:49:14,879 --> 00:49:17,879
We're in The Wolf of Wall Street
or Gordon Gekko.
982
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,240
And that's what
Mardoché Mouly says at some point,
983
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:22,520
he showed Samy a world he didn't know.
984
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,920
He showed him
a side of life he didn't know,
985
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,960
which is this extremely flashy
side of a jet-setter's life,
986
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,879
with anything you want,
a really glitzy life.
987
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,799
[song continues]
988
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,080
Personally, if you give me
millions of euros,
989
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,600
I'm only talking about bills, just cash…
990
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,839
Honestly, I don't know
how to read or write.
991
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,640
But I earned that kind of money.
992
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,920
How do you expect me
to understand the power of money?
993
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,200
Give me some, I take it, I spend it.
994
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,760
[all shouting happily]
995
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,200
It's not rational anymore.
The sums of money got so huge,
996
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,160
hundreds of millions of euros.
997
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,720
At some point, they've bought everything.
998
00:50:05,799 --> 00:50:08,240
I mean, once you've bought
your first Bentley, your second,
999
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:12,160
your tenth, your fourth apartment,
this money isn't-- It's not real anymore.
1000
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,160
They rent private jets.
1001
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,359
They take the whole family
for weekends in Panama.
1002
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,760
The spending is surreal.
1003
00:50:16,839 --> 00:50:20,520
When you see what they spent
on jewelry, on watches…
1004
00:50:23,799 --> 00:50:29,799
The carbon tax money is as despicable
as money made from gambling.
1005
00:50:29,879 --> 00:50:32,359
The process of earning it isn't brilliant.
1006
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,520
This money can make anything possible,
1007
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,560
but it's worth nothing.
1008
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,640
-[whirring]
-[song continues]
1009
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,480
You ask me how much I made?
1010
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,839
If I told you even I don't know,
would you believe me?
1011
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,080
[engine revving]
1012
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,399
[Amar] And in the case file of this trio,
1013
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,200
Mardoché Mouly,
Arnaud Mimran, and Samy Souied,
1014
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,839
the amount taken
was estimated at 283 million euros.
1015
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:03,160
It's huge. It's colossal.
1016
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,000
[whirring]
1017
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:09,240
[thuds]
1018
00:51:09,879 --> 00:51:16,839
BLUENEXT OFFICES
PARIS
1019
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,359
[speaking indistinctly]
1020
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,560
[interviewer] How did BlueNext find out
1021
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,920
that something suspicious
was happening in those exchanges?
1022
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,160
It was a gradual process.
1023
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:27,760
DAVID RAPIN
BLUENEXT DEVELOPMENT MANAGER
1024
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,839
This was a young market and we didn't have
any information at our disposal.
1025
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,720
And BlueNext with its partners
identified, as of October 2008,
1026
00:51:35,799 --> 00:51:37,960
some activity that was abnormal,
1027
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,120
that did not reflect
the reality of the market as we knew it.
1028
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,520
COUNTRY: CYPRUS
1029
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,680
SENSITIVE TRANSACTION FROM/TO
HIGH-RISK COUNTRY (SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT)
1030
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:54,160
CARBON - SENSITIVE TRANSACTION
FROM/TO HIGH-RISK COUNTRY
1031
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,560
[Carpentier] Before October 2008,
1032
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:03,440
only a few people knew
about the carbon market.
1033
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,359
JEAN-BAPTISTE CARPENTIER
FORMER TRACFIN DIRECTOR
1034
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,920
My analysts didn't and neither did I,
so we had to learn everything.
1035
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,799
At the beginning of June 2009,
1036
00:52:11,879 --> 00:52:13,680
when the minister announced
1037
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,920
what was technically the end
of VAT on the carbon market,
1038
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,040
we finally got, I would say,
1039
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,839
an objective look at the estimates.
1040
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,760
The difference between the market
a day before and the day after
1041
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,359
roughly matches the amount of fraud.
1042
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,520
Nothing prepared us at TRACFIN
1043
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,720
to really understand
that the amount of corruption
1044
00:52:37,799 --> 00:52:41,879
that was happening could account
for 80% to 90% of the market.
1045
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,879
When we started to add up
1046
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,799
the suspicious transactions
we'd been warned about,
1047
00:52:48,879 --> 00:52:50,760
it came to tens of millions.
1048
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,480
Obviously, I didn't see,
1049
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,680
in January or February 2009,
1050
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,760
what the scale of this would be
two or three months later.
1051
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:03,839
["Clair de Lune" by Debussy plays]
1052
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:21,240
RENAUD VAN RUYMBEKE
FORMER INVESTIGATIVE JUDGE
1053
00:53:21,319 --> 00:53:25,240
This case, I'm telling you,
I think I worked on it for eight years.
1054
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:28,640
And I'm ashamed to say that because
1055
00:53:29,319 --> 00:53:31,799
even if a case takes three or four years…
1056
00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:43,319
The problem was that we obviously
1057
00:53:43,399 --> 00:53:45,640
only had a partial picture
of the situation.
1058
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,520
We didn't know a lot of things.
1059
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,720
The main thing we knew
is that we didn't know anything.
1060
00:53:51,799 --> 00:53:53,799
We were only partly aware of the reality.
1061
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,120
It was like putting together a puzzle
1062
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,600
where you know the complete picture
has a thousand pieces,
1063
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,799
and in front of us
we only had 20 or 30 pieces.
1064
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,799
You keep going. After six months, a year,
you still don't understand anything.
1065
00:54:10,879 --> 00:54:14,160
There were dummy corporations,
there were long lists of companies,
1066
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,200
fake companies, fabricated companies,
1067
00:54:17,799 --> 00:54:20,080
transactions moving in every direction,
1068
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,319
and a long list of accounts,
located overseas.
1069
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,560
But I've rarely seen investigations
1070
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,120
when, from the very beginning,
we had no clue who we were looking for.
1071
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:35,560
[song ends]
1072
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,280
Who was really behind it?
Who was really responsible?
1073
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:40,480
Not the proxy managers.
1074
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,200
I told the investigators, "I don't want
to know who the proxies are."
1075
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,200
[projector clicking]
1076
00:54:48,839 --> 00:54:50,520
If I want a proxy, it could be you.
1077
00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:52,960
Tomorrow, you could be a proxy.
1078
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,440
Tomorrow, I'll go check on the Internet,
and type your name, I type everything.
1079
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,920
I get your birth certificate.
1080
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,720
I have you make a passport.
1081
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,359
You understand it.
That's it. You become a proxy.
1082
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,760
[projector clicking]
1083
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,600
I told the investigators,
"I have 50 of them in the file."
1084
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,640
"I don't want to know about it.
You deal with it, but I don't wanna know."
1085
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,040
And I didn't know who they are
and didn't want to know them.
1086
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,879
"I want to know who is behind them."
1087
00:55:16,799 --> 00:55:18,040
I didn't look for the proxies.
1088
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,440
The accountant did.
The accountant was launching companies.
1089
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,640
He would take housekeepers,
postmen, taxi drivers, whatever,
1090
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:26,040
he'd put them in the company.
1091
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,280
He'd sell the whole company,
ready to go, to the bank.
1092
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,799
He'd sell 200,000 euros of the company
to all of the teams.
1093
00:55:34,879 --> 00:55:38,240
But everyone was buying
four or five companies a week,
1094
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:42,080
because if you didn't have several,
you were dead, buried,
1095
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,600
because they had to declare
VAT each month.
1096
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,440
Only a small number of companies
were being checked fiscally.
1097
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,720
This laxity gives the scammers time
to escape with the jackpot,
1098
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:58,040
take the money and leave.
1099
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,399
So no more need to do the accounting.
1100
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,319
[clacks]
1101
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,680
They open three companies in Hong Kong,
and then when they leave the bank…
1102
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,200
Know what they give you when you leave?
1103
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,080
They give you a token.
1104
00:56:13,399 --> 00:56:16,080
Again, it took me a while
to figure out what this was.
1105
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,080
The token is a remote code generator,
1106
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,720
which will allow me, the remote client,
to do all the transactions.
1107
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,520
So with the millions in Hong Kong,
then you can send some to Singapore.
1108
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,319
You can send some to Dubai.
1109
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,760
[Amar] Israel, Morocco, Cyprus,
1110
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,480
and you can take a world tour,
uh, if you feel like it, in a single day.
1111
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:42,640
In one click.
1112
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:46,399
When I investigate an account,
it takes me a year per account.
1113
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,799
So I'm beaten.
1114
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,520
No contest.
1115
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,280
[inhales deeply]
1116
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:54,680
It's magic, sure,
1117
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,280
but it's a little too easily won.
1118
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,160
Don't you think?
1119
00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:01,520
[chuckles]
1120
00:57:03,399 --> 00:57:07,520
I don't remember,
at the time, having an awareness
1121
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,399
that there was a flaw in the system,
1122
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,760
because the quotas were subject to VAT.
1123
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,720
Quite honestly,
I didn't know that back then
1124
00:57:15,799 --> 00:57:17,480
because I couldn't imagine
1125
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,960
something with such a positive goal
could be used in such a vicious scheme.
1126
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,680
History tells us
we must never underestimate evil,
1127
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,560
and that if a loophole exists,
1128
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,520
inevitably, opportunists
will take advantage of it.
1129
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,640
-[man singing]
-["Pardon Monsieur le President" plays]
1130
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,200
♪ Some people make history ♪
1131
00:57:35,279 --> 00:57:37,319
-♪ And some tell it ♪
-♪ And some tell it ♪
1132
00:57:37,399 --> 00:57:38,680
♪ I'm gonna tell you ♪
1133
00:57:38,759 --> 00:57:39,600
Okay, let's go.
1134
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,560
[man] ♪ From Belleville to Geneva ♪
1135
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,480
♪ Via Monaco ♪
1136
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,440
♪ I can tell you one thing ♪
1137
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,200
♪ All that is worth nothing… ♪
1138
00:57:48,879 --> 00:57:53,240
A bunch of people came to see me
and wanted to write a song about me.
1139
00:57:53,319 --> 00:57:55,879
And as a joke, I said,
"Okay, but I do the lyrics."
1140
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,720
And I wrote a few lines.
1141
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:00,759
[man] ♪ I'm the best-looking liar ♪
1142
00:58:00,839 --> 00:58:02,919
♪ Call me thief or crook ♪
1143
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000
-[singing along]
-♪ But if I pass you and like you ♪
1144
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,919
♪ I will never let you down ♪
1145
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,240
♪ This is it, I'm free! ♪
1146
00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:11,040
♪ Back to have some fun ♪
1147
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,160
♪ They wanted to finish me off ♪
1148
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,200
♪ But God didn't leave me ♪
1149
00:58:15,279 --> 00:58:17,160
♪ This is it, I'm free! ♪
1150
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,279
♪ Back to have some fun ♪
1151
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:21,440
[song continues over phone]
1152
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,720
♪ Sorry, Mr. President! ♪
1153
00:58:23,799 --> 00:58:25,680
♪ I am crazy ♪
1154
00:58:25,759 --> 00:58:28,080
-♪ I did this for my mom! ♪
-[chuckles]
1155
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,879
[singing along]
1156
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,560
♪ Mr. President! ♪
1157
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,960
-[groans]
-♪ I am crazy ♪
1158
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,919
-[singing along]
-♪ I want to make up the time ♪
1159
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,839
♪ I've never stayed in place ♪
1160
00:58:37,919 --> 00:58:39,799
♪ But I knew how to stay classy ♪
1161
00:58:39,879 --> 00:58:41,799
♪ If you look for me, don't call me ♪
1162
00:58:41,879 --> 00:58:43,600
♪ I'm surely in a palace ♪
1163
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,240
♪ Sorry, Mr. President! ♪
1164
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:50,000
♪ I am crazy ♪
1165
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,000
♪ I did this for my mom! ♪
1166
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:53,720
[song continues]
1167
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,399
Thank you. This guy…
His thing is hilarious.
1168
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,200
He's a total crackpot,
but I still like him.
1169
00:58:59,279 --> 00:59:01,160
[mysterious music plays]
1170
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,759
[Carpentier] The only appreciation
I had for these con men
1171
00:59:08,839 --> 00:59:10,440
was, maybe, in a way,
1172
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,520
giving us a certain amount
of reasonable humility,
1173
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,960
that these crooks have beaten us so bad
it was hard for us to recover.
1174
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,480
In retrospect,
I was perfectly capable of doing it,
1175
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,520
but I didn't have the wherewithal.
1176
00:59:26,279 --> 00:59:28,440
And it's true
that I'm not in prison or dead,
1177
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,480
-which is an advantage.
-[dramatic music rising]
1178
00:59:33,319 --> 00:59:34,399
[music peaks, fades]
1179
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,359
[clinks, buzzes]
1180
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,279
SEPTEMBER 14, 2010
1181
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:41,040
I would never have imagined that…
1182
00:59:42,839 --> 00:59:44,640
it would get dangerous. Impossible.
1183
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,319
I would've staked my life on it.
1184
00:59:46,919 --> 00:59:48,919
[sinister music plays]
1185
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:00,600
That night, I was in a cafe
in the 17th district playing belote
1186
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,279
with friends, including Marco Mouly.
1187
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,080
We were there having fun, playing belote,
1188
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,120
having a few drinks and all.
1189
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,680
We got a phone call
saying, "Samy's been shot."
1190
01:00:14,839 --> 01:00:18,279
When I called back, they told me,
"Samy Souied was killed at Porte Maillot."
1191
01:00:18,359 --> 01:00:22,359
And then I left in tears,
and I went straight to Porte Maillot.
1192
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:25,759
No one could get close.
1193
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:27,440
It was… It was awful.
1194
01:00:27,919 --> 01:00:29,919
[mysterious music continues]
1195
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:34,520
CONFERENCE CENTER
1196
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,680
[sirens wailing]
1197
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,160
[Ghez] And we all went to Porte Maillot,
and we saw the police,
1198
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,839
the paramedics,
and a body lying there on the ground.
1199
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,120
I understood when I saw the sheet
that it was over.
1200
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:54,040
GRATE A - VICTIM
1201
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,680
I really didn't see it coming, honestly.
1202
01:00:58,759 --> 01:01:01,879
And even now, I still don't see it.
1203
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,440
It means that, for me, Samy is still here.
1204
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,759
It means that even if he's not here…
1205
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:09,560
If he's not here…
1206
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,560
We know he's no longer here, but…
1207
01:01:15,759 --> 01:01:19,520
[exhales] Stop. Stop. Stop.
1208
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:22,839
I love him and I kiss him, wherever he is.
1209
01:01:22,919 --> 01:01:24,520
We can switch to another topic.
1210
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:25,839
I'd prefer to.
1211
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,600
What are you waiting for now?
1212
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,960
You don't expect me to cry, do you?
I won't. I've got way too much pride.
1213
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,799
Do you think it's better
to be smart or clever?
1214
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,399
I think you've gotta be smart.
1215
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:44,440
They are clever.
1216
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,520
What's clever?
1217
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,120
It's when they see a fight, they join in.
1218
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,640
Because they're so clever,
they think they can get out of it.
1219
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,359
A smart guy, when he sees danger,
he doesn't get involved.
1220
01:01:56,359 --> 01:01:59,359
When Samy Souied
is assassinated at Porte Maillot,
1221
01:01:59,919 --> 01:02:03,279
a squad of two men
arrived by scooter, then killed him.
1222
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,279
Obviously, we all wonder
about the significance
1223
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:10,040
of this murder, this crime.
1224
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,120
How was it possible? How did it go so far?
1225
01:02:15,319 --> 01:02:17,919
It goes this far
because there is dissension…
1226
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,399
among the people who gather
around this huge amount of money.
1227
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,480
[ominous music plays]
1228
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,160
[whirring]
1229
01:02:29,319 --> 01:02:31,160
When the profits
get sorted out in this story,
1230
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,640
which we estimate now
to have been over 280 million euros,
1231
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,720
the money was divided up
according to each person's role.
1232
01:02:37,799 --> 01:02:40,520
It means Souied will say,
"200 stacks for me."
1233
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:42,640
Mouly, 60 or 70.
1234
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,200
And Arnaud Mimran, who's the investor,
he gets the smallest share.
1235
01:02:46,279 --> 01:02:48,600
We're talking about
10 or 15 million euros.
1236
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:49,680
[whirring]
1237
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:00,440
Even if at first we agreed on a sum
to compensate the initial investment,
1238
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,640
still, when we know
how much the return was,
1239
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,040
there could be
some resentment that springs up
1240
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,879
when you realize
that you aren't getting the amount
1241
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,560
that you feel you're entitled to.
1242
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,160
[interviewer] We discovered
that certain people may have been,
1243
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,799
from time to time,
giving information to the police.
1244
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:23,879
No comment.
1245
01:03:24,399 --> 01:03:25,520
No comment. Okay?
1246
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,600
For example, according to a secret witness
who was questioned…
1247
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,480
CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MURDER
(VICTIM: SAMY SOUIED)
1248
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,200
…he claimed that Arnaud Mimran had gotten
really resentful and basically went crazy.
1249
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:39,439
He was thinking,
1250
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,919
"How come these two schmucks are, like,
nearly ten times richer than me today."
1251
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,960
"It's not possible. I'm nothing anymore."
1252
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,759
These guys basically despise him.
They're arrogant.
1253
01:03:48,839 --> 01:03:50,520
And he can't stand it.
1254
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,560
And apparently, that's when
things started to get hostile.
1255
01:03:54,399 --> 01:03:55,919
ANONYMOUS WITNESS HEARING
1256
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,799
Mimran became depressed
and gambled away huge sums of money.
1257
01:03:59,879 --> 01:04:03,200
He fell into debt,
having lost it all gambling.
1258
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,000
Arnaud proposes investments
in the stock market.
1259
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,799
His reputation gives him credibility.
1260
01:04:07,879 --> 01:04:10,560
Arnaud fits the profile of handling it
and getting money from Samy
1261
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,160
since no one could've imagined
he needed money.
1262
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,200
[male reporter 1] The victim's
inner circle suspects Arnaud Mimran
1263
01:04:17,279 --> 01:04:18,640
of being behind the crime.
1264
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,919
"The financier" would have taken him out
1265
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,480
to avoid repaying him
a 60-million-euro loan.
1266
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,399
Hired killers on a scooter killed him
with a pistol and silencer.
1267
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,120
300,000 euros in cash
and this skull-shaped ring
1268
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:33,720
were found near his body.
1269
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,120
[male reporter 2] This ring could have
been brought by him to give to a friend
1270
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,080
who wanted to give it to his wife.
1271
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,560
[ominous music plays]
1272
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:47,960
Overall, what's the theory?
1273
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,879
It's Mimran wouldn't be able to pay back
1274
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,960
the 60 million
he borrowed from Samy Souied.
1275
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,240
So he thought-- Or, he would have thought
1276
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,399
the best way to not pay Samy Souied
is if Samy Souied disappears.
1277
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:03,879
So before this guy goes back to Israel,
1278
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,839
he would have organized
this kind of fake rendezvous
1279
01:05:06,919 --> 01:05:08,879
at Porte Maillot at the last minute…
1280
01:05:10,839 --> 01:05:13,120
and would have indicated
who the target was
1281
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,879
among the three or four people there
by giving him that ring.
1282
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,120
And that would be the sign
for the two killers who were watching
1283
01:05:20,879 --> 01:05:21,960
to identify the victim.
1284
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,960
"I THINK MIMRAN ORDERED THE HIT.
HE WAS STUCK."
1285
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,480
[journalist] According to our source,
1286
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,720
an anonymous witness
gave valuable information to the police.
1287
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,799
Greed would have encouraged con men
to recruit thugs from organized crime.
1288
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:37,120
Arnaud Mimran…
1289
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,000
would've found associates,
in this story, to kill Souied,
1290
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:48,279
since Samy Souied, at the same time,
was suspected of having killed
1291
01:05:48,359 --> 01:05:53,000
Amar Azzoug, also called "Amar Blue Eyes",
who had died a few months before.
1292
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,439
And the rumor, therefore,
says that Mimran cozied up
1293
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,799
to some of Amar Blue Eyes' friends
who also hated Souied.
1294
01:06:01,279 --> 01:06:04,359
They had a common interest.
"Your enemy is my enemy."
1295
01:06:04,439 --> 01:06:05,279
[claps]
1296
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:07,759
"Let's join forces
and get rid of the interloper."
1297
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:10,359
That's it.
So, basically, that's the theory.
1298
01:06:11,879 --> 01:06:15,480
It's just the statement
of an anonymous witness in the report.
1299
01:06:16,279 --> 01:06:17,839
If he had listened to me--
1300
01:06:17,919 --> 01:06:19,600
No, no… We don't talk about, uh…
1301
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,160
If he had listened to me--
1302
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,439
If he had listened to me,
he wouldn't be dead today.
1303
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,319
Because the money, it made him go crazy.
1304
01:06:25,399 --> 01:06:27,399
He told me, "Nothing can happen to me."
1305
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,520
I asked, "Why?"
He said, "I have too much money."
1306
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,319
"Even if they kidnap
someone from my family,"
1307
01:06:32,399 --> 01:06:34,960
he said, "I'm ready to pay ten mil
to release them."
1308
01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:37,680
He said he thought he was invincible.
1309
01:06:37,759 --> 01:06:39,799
In life, everyone has their place.
1310
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,120
A worker is a worker. A thief is a thief.
1311
01:06:43,759 --> 01:06:46,040
A thug is a thug. A killer is a killer.
1312
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:48,359
He wanted to jump from one to the other.
1313
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:50,160
-Wait, hold on.
-It means--
1314
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:51,640
Serge is full of it, high as a kite.
1315
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,480
-No, he didn't make sense.
-Seriously, what are you talking about?
1316
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:55,399
-It's Samy.
-Yeah.
1317
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,279
-He was your friend.
-He was your friend too.
1318
01:06:57,359 --> 01:06:59,120
-Mine and yours.
-Uh-huh.
1319
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,319
What did I do to him?
I didn't do anything to hurt him.
1320
01:07:01,399 --> 01:07:04,240
-But you're crazy to talk like that.
-But why is he dead, then?
1321
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:06,520
Come on! I'm going for a smoke
'cause you piss me off.
1322
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,080
He's dead because
he thought he was who he wasn't.
1323
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,799
When you're that rich,
you have to be careful.
1324
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:13,960
That's it.
1325
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:19,640
[interviewer] Did you talk to Marco?
1326
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,080
I didn't get a chance
to talk to Marco back then.
1327
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,839
And even now,
I don't talk about it with Marco.
1328
01:07:26,919 --> 01:07:29,000
I don't dare start
that kind of conversation.
1329
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,399
It's not the kind of thing
I wanna talk about.
1330
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,680
Just drop these questions.
1331
01:07:35,759 --> 01:07:37,640
Drop it. I told you 150 times.
1332
01:07:38,839 --> 01:07:40,839
-[interviewer] You're his best friend.
-I don't care.
1333
01:07:41,799 --> 01:07:43,359
We said we'd talk about Marco,
1334
01:07:43,439 --> 01:07:46,839
not bust my balls with your CO2
and your murders and your bullshit.
1335
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,359
You want murders? You want that?
1336
01:07:50,439 --> 01:07:53,040
Go to the police station.
They have files this thick.
1337
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,000
I was brought in ten times!
1338
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,960
Don't come to me
with your murders and stuff and… [groans]
1339
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:01,160
I don't give a shit.
1340
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,640
I wasn't there. I don't know.
I talked to the police.
1341
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,279
You can read my statements.
1342
01:08:06,879 --> 01:08:08,279
It's all nice and tidy.
1343
01:08:08,359 --> 01:08:11,160
I'll give you the judge's name,
everything. I've told you ten times.
1344
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,560
I'm not gonna tell you 40.
1345
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,479
-I already told you.
-I'm not talking about it, Thierry.
1346
01:08:16,559 --> 01:08:18,000
I told you all this before.
1347
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,080
And that stuff and this.
So stop busting my balls.
1348
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,840
Con men aren't violent.
Con men don't carry weapons.
1349
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,240
They're not the type of guys
who'll box your ears
1350
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,399
or resort to violence.
1351
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:31,560
They don't know how.
1352
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,479
So they started asking people
that they got friendly with in prison.
1353
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:36,960
They'll say, "Listen."
1354
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,479
"This guy's got that much.
He owes me this much."
1355
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,960
"If you help me get it back,
we'll split it," etc.
1356
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,160
But you get thugs involved.
A thug is a beast, a predator.
1357
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,080
He's not some kind of NGO or a charity.
1358
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:48,639
If you call him, watch out.
1359
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,479
Once you've opened the door
for the guy, he's not leaving.
1360
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,040
He'll make himself at home,
and he'll take everything you've got.
1361
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,160
[journalist] This case
already had a lot of bloodshed.
1362
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,359
The millions stirred up
a violent jealousy,
1363
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:02,599
and some of the wealthy con men
1364
01:09:02,679 --> 01:09:04,760
still have a price
on their heads even today.
1365
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,040
[cell phone ringing]
1366
01:09:08,679 --> 01:09:11,359
Oh yeah, nothing's written.
It's my wife. Quiet, okay?
1367
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:12,760
Hey, baby.
1368
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,439
[woman talking indistinctly over phone]
1369
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,439
-An hour ago? Why?
-[woman continues talking]
1370
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,359
-What's going on?
-[woman continues talking]
1371
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,399
I don't know. She didn't tell me. Why?
1372
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,880
[woman continues talking]
1373
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,840
But maybe her phone died.
1374
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:29,760
I'm going out.
1375
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,200
Sorry, but my daughter
hasn't answered her phone since--
1376
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:35,840
since noon, and we're worried.
1377
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,120
[footsteps departing]
1378
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,479
Since Marco's been out on parole,
I've been scared for him.
1379
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,040
Really scared, yeah.
He and his family too, of course.
1380
01:09:47,599 --> 01:09:49,439
And I think that he's a little scared too.
1381
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,960
Actually, I'm sure of it.
Because sometimes he's not himself.
1382
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,639
Sometimes he's lost in his thoughts,
and we can see he's upset.
1383
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:58,880
He thinks a lot.
1384
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,200
And this isn't how he used to be.
1385
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,440
He never gave a shit. Now, no.
1386
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,840
Well, that's normal. He's got a family.
He's got a wife that he loves.
1387
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,040
Children, grandchildren.
1388
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,599
If he leaves the country
and goes somewhere we don't know,
1389
01:10:14,679 --> 01:10:16,240
I think that would be better for him.
1390
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,080
COMMUNICATION N. 221 ON DATE 04/19/13
DIRECTION OF COMMUNICATION: OUTGOING
1391
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,280
MOULY: Hello?
1392
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,360
MIMRAN: Uh-huh.
1393
01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:29,480
We're not gonna grow old.
Manu is here to kill us quickly.
1394
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:32,440
MOULY: That's what I'm afraid of.
We have to go to the police.
1395
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,280
MIMRAN: No, leave him alone…
1396
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,440
MOULY: Yeah, but the problem is me.
He's going to kill me, not you.
1397
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,120
MIMRAN: Ah, he's gonna kill you first?
1398
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,360
MOULY: Yeah,
I know he's gonna kill me first
1399
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:46,440
because he wants to get money from you.
1400
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,120
He knows I won't give him a cent.
1401
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:49,320
[cell phone chimes]
1402
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,200
[both men] Marco and Arnaud.
1403
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,400
[man] There's a message for you from Manu.
1404
01:10:53,480 --> 01:10:55,240
-[Manu] See you soon.
-[man] "See you soon."
1405
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:56,800
It says it all, okay?
1406
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,440
It means you know who,
you know when, you know where.
1407
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:00,360
It's in the text.
1408
01:11:00,440 --> 01:11:02,599
You know when.
You know where. You know who.
1409
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,679
[Marco] In this video,
1410
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:07,480
threats are made.
1411
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:12,280
If you've seen it,
it means the police have seen it.
1412
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,800
Can someone tell me
what's being done with this video?
1413
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,840
If I had done a video…
1414
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,440
If I had done a video,
1415
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,480
I would've been charged,
indicted, and sent to jail.
1416
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,280
I would, yes. But what can we do?
They let things happen by themselves.
1417
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,639
I'm not the type of guy
to talk to the cops.
1418
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,240
But that's not the problem.
1419
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,240
It's that nobody can protect you.
1420
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,360
You're alone in your world. All alone.
1421
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,200
So you have to handle it like a grown-up.
1422
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:38,800
And that's what's awful.
1423
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,360
You're scared for your wife,
you're scared for your kids,
1424
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:43,120
you're scared for everyone around you.
1425
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,960
So you become a different man.
1426
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,040
[intriguing music plays]
1427
01:11:57,200 --> 01:12:01,160
[Pierrat] Arnaud Mimran, at that time,
met an Italian TV starlet from Paraguay.
1428
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,000
and soon they started living together.
1429
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,120
And overnight,
he left Claude Dray's daughter, Anna,
1430
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,200
who was crazy about him,
1431
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,960
and who he'd met
when they were very young.
1432
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,639
He was the love of her life.
1433
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,160
And overnight, he moved in with this girl.
1434
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:14,760
And then, weirdly enough,
1435
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,960
he starts a sort of feud
with his former in-laws,
1436
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,520
particularly Claude Dray.
1437
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,000
For instance, he rents a villa
in Saint-Tropez in front of the Drays,
1438
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,480
where he spends his holidays
with his partner.
1439
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,760
So there really is
a kind of desire to provoke,
1440
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,840
and thus resentment grows
between Arnaud Mimran and the Drays.
1441
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:43,560
Until finally Claude Dray
resorts to more radical solutions.
1442
01:12:43,639 --> 01:12:46,280
He contacts the investigators
on the CO2 case,
1443
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,120
and he rats on his former son-in-law.
1444
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,920
OFFICIAL REPORT
PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION
1445
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:56,520
He leads a lavish lifestyle.
1446
01:12:56,599 --> 01:12:58,720
He buys many vehicles:
a Rolls Royce, a Lamborghini…
1447
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,880
He bought a boat. He only flies private.
1448
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,480
In France, he has nothing to his name.
1449
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,800
As far as I know, he and Arnaud
may be linked to the murder of Samy Souied
1450
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,920
over a debt of 700,000 euros.
1451
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,720
Of course I knew Arnaud's father-in-law.
1452
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:14,800
Uh…
1453
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,160
An incredible man.
In my eyes, he was an incredible man.
1454
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,679
I knew him, but not as a friend.
1455
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,520
I mean, he was a gentleman
who respected me.
1456
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,880
I heard he badmouthed me,
but I don't know why.
1457
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:31,080
But in my opinion, he badmouthed me
because I was Arnaud's friend.
1458
01:13:32,679 --> 01:13:35,040
Claude Dray,
we need to understand, was humiliated.
1459
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,360
His daughter was dumped
like she was nothing
1460
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,160
by this rather crude son-in-law, so…
1461
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,040
Claude Dray, yeah,
he's gonna do whatever he can
1462
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,840
to take his revenge on Arnaud Mimran.
1463
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:45,760
That's it.
1464
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,760
[reporter] The shutters of his villa
in Neuilly haven't been opened
1465
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,240
since the beginning of the week.
1466
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,040
Tuesday morning,
Claude Dray, 76 years old,
1467
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,400
was found dead at home by his butler.
1468
01:13:57,480 --> 01:13:59,760
He was killed
by three bullets to the neck.
1469
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,240
However, on the premises,
1470
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:02,920
there was no trace of struggle,
1471
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,679
and the investigators
found no trace of a break-in.
1472
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,280
Why don't we talk about it because
it's like the Mystery of the Rose Room.
1473
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:13,560
No one went in or out.
1474
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:15,120
[interviewer] Yellow room.
1475
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,320
Yellow, rose, or green room, I don't know.
1476
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:19,280
But it was strange.
1477
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,480
Just like everyone else, we heard
he had died in Neuilly in his house
1478
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,920
with, I think, a bullet in the head,
a bullet in the neck.
1479
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,880
[inhales sharply] Mr. Dray wasn't a thug.
1480
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,040
He was a businessman with a lot of money.
1481
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,800
It was the same.
People were starting to get ideas.
1482
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:36,160
Samy, Mr. Dray…
1483
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,320
It seems when you connect
all these murders,
1484
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,679
obviously there was
a team of hired killers in Paris
1485
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:45,880
and that these people remain nameless.
1486
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,400
The media did, uh…
1487
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,480
They reported that Mr. Dray
had approached some state agencies,
1488
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:54,840
including customs,
1489
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:57,200
to tell them about his son-in-law.
1490
01:14:57,719 --> 01:14:58,679
It was in the press,
1491
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,200
and this was also a part
of what convinced the family.
1492
01:15:02,599 --> 01:15:05,120
That doesn't mean we were able to prove
1493
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:08,480
that Mr. Dray's son-in-law
is behind his murder.
1494
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,320
[Mimran] I leave his daughter.
Three years later, he's killed.
1495
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,480
What's it got to do with me?
1496
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:15,639
MYSTERIOUS MURDER IN NEUILLY
1497
01:15:15,719 --> 01:15:18,719
Three years later. Have I seen Claude?
He was still my children's grandfather.
1498
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,960
We were close for 15 years.
Killed with a gun, awful.
1499
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,840
[journalist] When you see your name linked
to murders in the press, what'd you think?
1500
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,040
[Mimran] I was angry with the police.
If I kill someone and get accused of it,
1501
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,280
I'm not gonna kill
a second person around me, or a third.
1502
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,440
I'd say to myself,
"Now would be too obvious."
1503
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,000
I mean, honestly, even I wondered.
I thought it wasn't possible.
1504
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,520
-[gentle music plays]
-[men praying and chanting in Hebrew]
1505
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,560
[man continues chanting prayer]
1506
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:12,400
[Freche] At the funeral, he was one
of the pallbearers for his father-in-law.
1507
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,679
I gotta say, I looked
at that image for a long time.
1508
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,240
I can't-- I just can't believe it.
1509
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,880
I can't believe something that terrible.
1510
01:16:23,639 --> 01:16:26,760
I don't see how this guy
would be capable of breaking
1511
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,000
the first commandment, actually.
1512
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,320
No, it doesn't bother me
to show you my injuries.
1513
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:39,320
It's no problem.
1514
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,560
So the day of my attempted murder,
1515
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,080
I took a bullet
that was four millimeters from my brain.
1516
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,440
I had a bullet that entered my nose here
and came out of here.
1517
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:52,840
I took a bullet
1518
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,760
in the arm, which tore up my whole arm.
1519
01:16:58,560 --> 01:16:59,840
A bullet in my hand,
1520
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:02,599
here, where the scar is.
1521
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:04,440
I had, uh…
1522
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,599
a bullet that came in from here,
two or three bullets in my belly,
1523
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:11,560
a bullet in the lungs.
1524
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,120
Makes three, four,
five, six, seven, eight,
1525
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:16,280
and one in the butt.
1526
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,280
So nine bullets that went through my body
that were inside and…
1527
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:29,639
So?
1528
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,880
[Pierrat] In December 2016,
Dominique Ghez takes nine bullets.
1529
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,679
The guy's a miraculous survivor.
1530
01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:44,920
He is undoubtedly the guy in this case
who knows Mimran and Mouly the best.
1531
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,520
He's very close to them.
1532
01:17:46,599 --> 01:17:49,880
And he's friends with some shady guys,
Dominique Ghez, for sure.
1533
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,960
He's said to be close to some people
from the east Parisian suburbs, etc.
1534
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,360
It's wrong. It's totally wrong.
1535
01:17:58,160 --> 01:17:59,920
I'm just a guy who's good-natured.
1536
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,679
I never got close to organized crime
or people from that world.
1537
01:18:06,679 --> 01:18:08,440
It's true that I fight a little,
1538
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:10,120
and I argue a little, and…
1539
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,200
I'm a worker,
1540
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,639
someone who wakes up every morning
to go to work and feed my family.
1541
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,160
That's about it.
1542
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,480
But people gave me
an image that's not mine.
1543
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,360
He isn't one of the direct players
in the CO2 case.
1544
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,160
I mean, he didn't touch the CO2.
1545
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,679
He was in prison then, by the way,
most of the time during this whole scheme.
1546
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,240
But on the other hand,
1547
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,920
what is quite astonishing
is that we see him appear
1548
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,120
like some sort of ghost.
1549
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,280
At each homicide in this story,
or at any great turning point in the case,
1550
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:41,840
well, there's Dominique Ghez.
1551
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,480
So the night when Samy Souied is shot,
he is there.
1552
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:48,599
The day Arnaud Mimran
is arrested at his home,
1553
01:18:48,679 --> 01:18:50,960
investigators come across Ghez
in the kitchen.
1554
01:18:51,480 --> 01:18:53,800
Stuff like that.
He's a little like filigree.
1555
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,800
We see him appear everywhere
without being accused of anything.
1556
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,360
But at least we can wonder,
just like the detectives,
1557
01:19:00,440 --> 01:19:02,639
"Was Ghez the man who knew too much?"
1558
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:10,760
LÉA FIORENTINO
DOMINIQUE GHEZ'S LAWYER
1559
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,440
In all the murder cases,
whether these or others,
1560
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,000
we find things, we start from something.
1561
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,440
We start with empty bullet casings,
we start with a testimony.
1562
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,920
We start with an ID, a camera, something.
1563
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,400
But in terms of the assassination attempt
on Mr. Dominque Ghez,
1564
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:29,639
we start from nothing. There is nothing.
1565
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,400
Not a single bullet casing was found.
1566
01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:36,080
No one could identify who fired,
although it was in the middle of the 16th.
1567
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,120
The restaurant Le Flandrin's not far.
1568
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,880
The police station's not far.
1569
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,480
It's the 16th district,
1570
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,120
people aren't used to
people shooting each other.
1571
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:45,639
And we start from nothing.
1572
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,000
[interviewer] Through your
personal investigation,
1573
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:51,840
have you found out who shot you?
1574
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:55,920
[breathes deeply]
1575
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,599
I'd rather not answer that question.
1576
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,120
[Pierrat] Once they had
made their fortune,
1577
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,360
you might expect these guys
to leave for the countryside,
1578
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:09,240
make people forget about them.
1579
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,120
Go spend their money discreetly
on some beach in Costa Rica.
1580
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,400
But no, no way!
1581
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,840
That is what becomes
the downfall of this group.
1582
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,920
That's what also made this scheme blow up.
1583
01:20:20,599 --> 01:20:21,639
People hovered like flies.
1584
01:20:21,719 --> 01:20:23,920
They have their friend
who'd been killed at Porte Maillot.
1585
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,520
There's Amar Blue Eyes
who was shot in a pub in Saint-Mandé.
1586
01:20:27,599 --> 01:20:30,000
Everyone in this line of work
in Paris became agitated.
1587
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:33,240
People were sharpening their knives
to find these guys and rob them.
1588
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,599
And then,
they're wearing furs around Paris,
1589
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:38,320
flashing their cash, getting into showbiz,
1590
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,960
holding these ridiculous Bar Mitzvahs
for their kids.
1591
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,760
That's the whole problem with those people
and the suspects in this case.
1592
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,040
It's that they were incapable
1593
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,240
of putting their heads down
and keeping a low profile.
1594
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,520
-[people clamoring]
-[intriguing music plays]
1595
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,080
NOVEMBER 2012
1596
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,920
-[reporter] Here we go. Here's Dad!
-Throwing a small party for his son.
1597
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:58,840
It's peaceful.
1598
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,000
-A very small party.
-A small party. A small party.
1599
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,000
[people partying]
1600
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:04,120
[dance music plays]
1601
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,240
[Marco] At a Bar Mitzvah,
you eat, you drink,
1602
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,320
you party, and you forget
everything the day after.
1603
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,320
But what you don't forget
are the celebrities.
1604
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,840
[Marco] There was Gad Elmaleh.
There was, uh, Nikos.
1605
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,440
Marco would have inspired…
1606
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,880
There was M. Pokopokora.
N. Pokora, you know!
1607
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:22,960
There was the group, d'Assaut,
1608
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,280
-Maître Gims.
-[singing]
1609
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,480
-[Nikos] Cyril Hanouna!
-[people cheer]
1610
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:27,880
There was, uh…
1611
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,280
[blows raspberry]
1612
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,639
At Arnaud's Bar Mitzvah and at mine,
there were cops everywhere. Yeah.
1613
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:33,760
Oh, yeah, sure.
1614
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:35,760
Yeah, but you noticed them
and you let them be.
1615
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,599
You don't care. They eat, they drink.
1616
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:39,679
They're happy they're invited.
They're at the party.
1617
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,080
Ladies and gentlemen,
1618
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,280
there are people who have come
who weren't invited.
1619
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,200
We'll recognize them. Don't worry.
1620
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:49,480
-There are spies here.
-[people laughing]
1621
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,679
Ladies and gentlemen, don't worry.
1622
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,560
We have private detectives
who are noticing all of it.
1623
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:01,840
Well, there were parties
where the police were watching people,
1624
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,120
where they carried out surveillance
on some people.
1625
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,520
But again, without ever…
1626
01:22:07,719 --> 01:22:11,480
Until the facts were revealed
and investigations were under way,
1627
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,560
without ever finding
an understandable link
1628
01:22:15,639 --> 01:22:17,800
to what was really going on
behind the scenes
1629
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:20,880
and why people
from the serious criminal underground
1630
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,240
were associating with flamboyant con men.
1631
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,120
[dance music playing]
1632
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:30,440
-["Over that Girl" by Kimotion plays]
-♪ I'm over that girl ♪
1633
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,520
♪ I'm over that girl ♪
1634
01:22:33,599 --> 01:22:35,320
♪ I'm over that girl ♪
1635
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,920
♪ Uh, yo, I love them softcore lovers ♪
1636
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,160
♪ Don't mess around ♪
1637
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,639
♪ Heavy hearts crashing down
When they hit the ground ♪
1638
01:22:41,719 --> 01:22:44,639
Pharrell Williams, I didn't like him.
He's like… There's no life.
1639
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:46,480
I do like Akon.
1640
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:47,679
♪ You gotta get it now ♪
1641
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,000
♪ Don't get no second chance ♪
1642
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:50,120
♪ I'm gon' be shakin'… ♪
1643
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:53,400
But "Boof" Daddy…
He's on another level, "Boof" Daddy.
1644
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:55,080
He's everything you like,
1645
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,800
chicks, parties, money, the songs…
1646
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,080
That's everything you love!
You want to go crazy with him.
1647
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:03,599
♪ You thought it was
The perfect time to run ♪
1648
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,080
♪ I'm over that girl ♪
1649
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,840
[Marco] The problem with Arnaud
is that he only invited rich people.
1650
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,960
Personally, I invited poor people
and rich people. Why?
1651
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,920
Because you needed a mixture.
1652
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,160
You needed the hot mess
and some stuffed shirts.
1653
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:20,840
[snobbishly] "Well, well…"
1654
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,200
And also the poor guy who comes in
and takes your cake from the table.
1655
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:25,880
If you don't have all that, it's no fun.
1656
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:28,400
♪ I'm over that girl ♪
1657
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:33,360
♪ Even though I know what we could be… ♪
1658
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,320
We had to deal with people
1659
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:41,560
who were, uh, really comfortable
with financial delinquency,
1660
01:23:41,639 --> 01:23:45,560
who were repeatedly,
uh, committing these crimes.
1661
01:23:45,639 --> 01:23:47,800
At some point, it had to stop.
1662
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,679
♪ I'm over that girl ♪
1663
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:52,080
♪ I'm over that girl ♪
1664
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:56,040
You have to stop them,
or they'll keep going.
1665
01:23:58,639 --> 01:23:59,639
[clinks, buzzes]
1666
01:23:59,719 --> 01:24:01,440
APRIL 23, 2013
1667
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:02,639
[ominous music plays]
1668
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,960
PARIS - CHAMPS-ELYSÉES
THIS AFTERNOON
1669
01:24:06,679 --> 01:24:09,639
[Marco] I was at the Aviation,
it was a club where we played poker.
1670
01:24:09,719 --> 01:24:11,960
I won 130,000 euros at poker.
1671
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:13,639
I go back home like always.
1672
01:24:13,719 --> 01:24:14,800
Bam, bam, bam.
1673
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,400
I sleep, and all of a sudden, I wake up.
1674
01:24:17,480 --> 01:24:19,080
"Daddy, Daddy, it's the police."
1675
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,160
I said, "What?
The police? What's happening?"
1676
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,240
They said,
"Mouly, uh, we're seizing everything."
1677
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:26,920
"You know why we're arresting you."
1678
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:29,679
That's when they took me
to the new house I'd just bought,
1679
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,000
that they just sold recently.
1680
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,320
CARBON TAX SCAMMER'S APARTMENT
SOLD BY THE STATE FOR €4.3M
1681
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:34,480
"Mouly, you're showing off."
1682
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,679
But I was seeing
everything being taken away.
1683
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,639
I saw my stuff being taken away,
my jackets, my pants, my shoes.
1684
01:24:39,719 --> 01:24:42,800
They took everything.
I was finished. The film stopped. "Cut!"
1685
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,080
The image broke.
1686
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,360
When they put the paper with the warrant…
1687
01:24:46,440 --> 01:24:47,800
[claps] …on the door…
1688
01:24:49,599 --> 01:24:51,560
Honestly, you feel naked.
1689
01:24:52,599 --> 01:24:55,679
They take your heart and soul,
your clothes, everything.
1690
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,160
[news theme plays]
1691
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:58,560
[journalist] The trial begins…
1692
01:24:58,639 --> 01:24:59,480
HEIST OF THE CENTURY
1693
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,120
…for one of the most unbelievable scams
in recent decades.
1694
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,520
Twelve people
are being prosecuted in Paris
1695
01:25:04,599 --> 01:25:07,320
for having embezzled
more than one billion euros
1696
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:09,480
thanks to a loophole in the carbon tax.
1697
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:13,480
DAVID-OLIVIER KAMINSKI
MARCO MOULY'S LAWYER
1698
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,719
[Kaminski] I remember
that he called us on a Sunday
1699
01:25:17,599 --> 01:25:19,560
to prepare and work on his case.
1700
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,840
In a very studious, meticulous way,
I laid out the evidence…
1701
01:25:25,719 --> 01:25:26,800
they had against him.
1702
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,400
After ten minutes,
he'd say, "Okay. It's okay."
1703
01:25:29,480 --> 01:25:33,040
And all of a sudden,
here comes… a journalist,
1704
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,800
and then I see a camera,
and Marco wants to do an interview.
1705
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:41,760
Marco Mouly, in the eyes of the court,
he's one of the key players
1706
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,560
in the set-up, financing,
and laundering of money.
1707
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:45,760
But he downplayed his role.
1708
01:25:46,599 --> 01:25:48,120
I was in debt to a friend.
1709
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,120
He said, "Open the two accounts
and we're square."
1710
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,440
I said, "Okay."
I didn't go looking for carbon.
1711
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,320
Carbon just came to me.
1712
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,000
I even thought it was oxygen for firemen.
1713
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,160
I had a quote by Saint-Just
that came to mind,
1714
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:08,320
and it was, "The public domain was created
as a remedy for social problems."
1715
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:12,400
So if you steal money from public funds,
you're stealing from society.
1716
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,520
It's not hard to see
the true cost of the VAT scam.
1717
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,000
You can count this money
in intensive care beds,
1718
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:21,679
in more hours for doctors.
1719
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,240
It's not just some abstract money.
1720
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,880
It's actually money
we could have used for concrete things.
1721
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,560
[juggling clubs thudding softly]
1722
01:26:29,719 --> 01:26:31,719
Mr. Amar told me one-on-one, face-to-face,
1723
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:34,480
"Mouly, you'll get eight years."
1724
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,520
I laughed and said, "Hold on,
I haven't even had the trial yet."
1725
01:26:38,599 --> 01:26:40,679
He said, "I'll ask for ten
so you get eight."
1726
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,880
Oh, la, la, la, la, la, la.
1727
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:45,920
At the end of the trial, the judge said,
1728
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,280
"We'll deliver the verdict on July 7th."
1729
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,560
And so I said to the judge,
1730
01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:54,560
"Your Honor, have a heart. Postpone it
until September so I can go on holiday."
1731
01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:56,639
[suspenseful music plays]
1732
01:27:07,599 --> 01:27:09,759
When he set the verdict
for July 7th at 9:00 a.m.,
1733
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,120
I knew that it meant
I was going to prison.
1734
01:27:12,679 --> 01:27:14,360
So the verdict is in July.
1735
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:16,360
So between the trial and the verdict,
1736
01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:19,200
I'm with Arnaud and everyone,
and I talked to Arnaud.
1737
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,679
He tells me, "We're going to the trial.
Don't worry about going to prison."
1738
01:27:22,759 --> 01:27:27,520
But-- But I-- I don't want to tell Arnaud
that I'm not in a good place.
1739
01:27:27,599 --> 01:27:30,320
I don't want to tell Arnaud
because Arnaud doesn't know prison.
1740
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,280
So to Arnaud, it's a new world.
1741
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,080
He thinks he'll be released from prison
1742
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,440
two months later,
three months later, but no.
1743
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,599
I know I'll be stuck there.
Arnaud, he doesn't know that world.
1744
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,200
So he always thinks
he'll fall on his feet again.
1745
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,679
Judicial customs just came here.
1746
01:27:45,759 --> 01:27:46,960
You can see that
1747
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:49,160
it's empty.
1748
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,040
[journalist] You don't seem scared
to go to prison.
1749
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:55,759
Of course I'm scared. Are you crazy?
1750
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,520
Seriously, who wouldn't be scared?
1751
01:27:57,599 --> 01:28:00,840
I have kids, everything.
Of course I'm scared. But what can I do?
1752
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,000
That guy's insane.
He really thinks I'm not scared.
1753
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:08,160
JULY 7, 2016
1754
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:10,200
[camera shutters clicking]
1755
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,960
[journalist] Arnaud Mimran was summoned
for the deliberation.
1756
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:14,920
[both speaking imperceptibly]
1757
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,120
[journalist] The prosecutor recommended
that he'd be given a ten-year sentence.
1758
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,200
[dramatic music rising]
1759
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:22,040
[music fades]
1760
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:26,040
Arnaud Mimran, even though he knew
1761
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:28,840
that the court
and the prosecutor recommended
1762
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:33,440
he'd be jailed for ten years
and arrested at his trial,
1763
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,639
he was the only one to come to the court
1764
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,280
to hear the decision
with a bag containing his belongings,
1765
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:45,639
and knowing that he had
a good chance of getting put behind bars
1766
01:28:45,719 --> 01:28:47,679
for a significant period of time.
1767
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:49,040
Why did he do it?
1768
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,200
Because when you're a player
and you play and lose, you pay your debts.
1769
01:28:53,759 --> 01:28:55,120
You show your children,
1770
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,840
by coming to seek judgment,
1771
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,440
that when you screw up,
you take responsibility.
1772
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:02,480
The third reason
1773
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,320
is because Arnaud Mimran is someone who,
1774
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,320
by nature, uh,
1775
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,240
doesn't run away.
1776
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,320
[suspenseful music plays]
1777
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:17,679
[Marco] July 7th came.
1778
01:29:17,759 --> 01:29:19,440
I was with Arnaud the day before.
1779
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:21,560
I go to court.
1780
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:24,679
I go to court to receive my sentence.
1781
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,080
My phone rang because I was late.
1782
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:32,320
And I think
it must have been God watching.
1783
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:33,400
My phone rang.
1784
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,160
I didn't pick up, but a text came in.
1785
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:39,960
"Marco, you got eight years
with an immediate arrest warrant."
1786
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:42,560
I have a problem.
1787
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:44,920
I got eight years.
What worse could have happened?
1788
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:46,440
Go on, juggle!
1789
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,240
Life's all about juggling.
1790
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:51,840
It's all about juggling.
That's how life is. You have to juggle.
1791
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,280
You have to juggle your money,
1792
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:57,200
you have to juggle the police,
juggle the thugs, juggle everything.
1793
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,200
But I love to see her juggle. Why?
1794
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,639
Because she's doing her job
just like I did mine.
1795
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,960
The day after the verdict,
I got a message on WhatsApp.
1796
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:12,080
Who do I see? Marco Mouly… in the streets
of Rome in the back of a carriage.
1797
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:13,240
In the second photo,
1798
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:16,080
he was pretending to open
a police car door, and he was smirking.
1799
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,480
There was a message, one line.
"The sentence is too strict."
1800
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:19,920
CARBON, IT WAS ALICE IN WONDERLAND
1801
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,440
And, uh, to me,
he also said, "I'm not on the run."
1802
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:24,880
"I'm taking a step back."
1803
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:27,520
"And I'm not sure
I've stepped back enough."
1804
01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:30,880
[interviewer] Why did he leave?
1805
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,000
Well, he left because he knows…
1806
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:35,679
He left because he was expecting
1807
01:30:35,759 --> 01:30:37,880
a prison sentence
and an arrest warrant at the court.
1808
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,320
In his shoes, I wouldn't show up to court
to get arrested at the trial.
1809
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,520
I'd hit the-- I'd leave. I'd hit the road.
1810
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,040
Right? [laughs]
1811
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,120
[suspenseful music continues]
1812
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,480
[Marco clapping]
1813
01:30:57,759 --> 01:30:58,679
Bravo, man.
1814
01:30:58,759 --> 01:30:59,800
Now, that's balance.
1815
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:02,480
I need to borrow your body.
1816
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:07,599
[Smadja] Marco could've escaped.
He went to Israel.
1817
01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:09,440
He could've fled. [inhales deeply]
1818
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:11,639
He came back. He thought about it.
1819
01:31:11,719 --> 01:31:15,719
He said to himself,
"I didn't do all of this to end up there."
1820
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,320
And the day he got caught, he called me…
1821
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,480
because he was arrested in Switzerland,
and the Swiss police, they were nice.
1822
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,639
And I remember he called me on the phone.
1823
01:31:28,599 --> 01:31:30,120
And he said, "You okay, Titi?"
1824
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,200
I said, "Yeah."
1825
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,040
He said, "It's over. They got me."
1826
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:38,599
He said, "I'm gonna do my sentence.
I didn't want to surrender."
1827
01:31:38,679 --> 01:31:41,440
"They caught me, but that's okay.
That's the price to pay."
1828
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,440
HEY BUDDY
1829
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,360
IT'S ME, MARCO
WE'VE BEEN CAUGHT BRO
1830
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,719
[ominous music plays]
1831
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:49,759
[dramatic sting]
1832
01:31:51,759 --> 01:31:52,679
[music fades]
1833
01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:55,639
-I'll tell you a story about you.
-[Marco] About me?
1834
01:31:55,719 --> 01:31:57,200
But you were in jail when it happened.
1835
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:58,840
-Okay…
-During my trial,
1836
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,880
there was a lawyer, he smoked a cigarette
1837
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,599
with one of the prosecutors
that sentenced you.
1838
01:32:04,679 --> 01:32:06,679
She told him, "You know, Mr. Prosecutor,
1839
01:32:06,759 --> 01:32:09,440
I don't know
if you've seen that Marco Mouly…"
1840
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,679
"The recommendations
of the prosecutor in the Court of Appeals
1841
01:32:12,759 --> 01:32:14,280
were less severe than yours."
1842
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:15,480
He said, "It's normal
1843
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,759
since they put a 'goy' prosecutor
at the Court of Appeals."
1844
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,400
"They should've put a Jewish one like me
1845
01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:23,639
'cause with me,
all the Jews that are brought before me…"
1846
01:32:23,719 --> 01:32:26,440
-[Taieb] He massacres them.
-"…I'll double-cross them," he said.
1847
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,920
-Oh, really?
-They did their job well. Considering--
1848
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,000
As prosecutors,
there's nothing to blame them for.
1849
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,520
They built the case against us
and massacred us.
1850
01:32:33,599 --> 01:32:35,679
-Built a case, that's all.
-They're prosecutors.
1851
01:32:35,759 --> 01:32:37,639
Marco, they're prosecutors.
It's their job.
1852
01:32:37,719 --> 01:32:39,800
That's true. Me and Amar, we have…
1853
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,160
Sorry about this.
We have a good relationship.
1854
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:43,639
We say hello, we respect each other.
1855
01:32:43,719 --> 01:32:45,200
-Amar?
-Well, yeah.
1856
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:46,759
[Marco] Amar?!
1857
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,160
Don't forget that Amar
brought back files about me
1858
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:51,360
from 27 years ago!
1859
01:32:51,440 --> 01:32:54,280
You have the right to condemn me
on things that I did,
1860
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:55,880
but not 27 years later!
1861
01:32:56,440 --> 01:32:58,360
I'm a pawn in all of those cases.
1862
01:32:58,440 --> 01:32:59,639
Who were the brains?
1863
01:32:59,719 --> 01:33:01,400
-[both laughing]
-Well, it was me.
1864
01:33:01,480 --> 01:33:03,840
You were the brain!
You came up with the plan!
1865
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,320
You said it loud and clear!
1866
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,800
I was just a pawn!
I go where the grass is green.
1867
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:10,639
-You profited from it, right?
-No! Profited from what?
1868
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:12,240
[Taieb] Stop it, Marco.
1869
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,480
-What? Stop what?
-You didn't profit off the system?
1870
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:16,960
-No, come on, let's not talk about it.
-[Taieb laughs]
1871
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,520
-[Taieb] Biting the hand that feeds you.
-That's a good one.
1872
01:33:19,599 --> 01:33:22,000
You profited from it again and again,
abused and re-abused.
1873
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,679
But they took everything back.
1874
01:33:23,759 --> 01:33:27,080
Maybe, but even the cops said,
"We're sorry it's over."
1875
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,960
"We had the best time chasing you."
1876
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:30,880
But this is over.
There's nothing left of it.
1877
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:31,880
They're memories.
1878
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:35,200
-But that's what you chose to do with it.
-[shouting] But the money, I want it!
1879
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,360
Why did I spend five years in prison
if there's no more money?
1880
01:33:40,679 --> 01:33:44,520
Normally, you make a deal, you go to jail,
you stop, you end up with money,
1881
01:33:44,599 --> 01:33:46,120
and then your life is beautiful.
1882
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:48,719
This time we fucked it up!
What are you saying?
1883
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,040
It was all bullshit.
1884
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,560
The carbon business is not a great deal,
apart from living the high life,
1885
01:33:53,639 --> 01:33:55,520
-apart from showing off…
-Ah, here we go!
1886
01:33:55,599 --> 01:33:58,160
…apart from having
a lot of problems with gangsters…
1887
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,000
-Sure!
-…apart from having problems everywhere.
1888
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:03,639
-[Zaoui] With families.
-With your family, wife, kids, and all.
1889
01:34:03,719 --> 01:34:04,560
[Taieb] For sure!
1890
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:07,320
Anyway, long story short,
I won't go to jail anymore, thank God.
1891
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:09,080
-[all] Amen.
-I wanna do everything straight
1892
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:10,639
because, to be honest, they broke me.
1893
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:11,800
Now let's talk business.
1894
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,880
[gentle, contemplative music plays]
1895
01:34:32,759 --> 01:34:35,440
Right now we're going to the prison,
we're going to La Santé.
1896
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,960
Daytime, it's a dream.
At night, you suffer.
1897
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:39,920
The dream fades away.
1898
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,800
You know, they say
there's a god and a devil.
1899
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,200
If you believe in God,
believe in the Devil.
1900
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:47,360
Right now we're going to the Devil's.
1901
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:48,520
Everything stops.
1902
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:51,320
You go into the prison,
everything stops in your life.
1903
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,000
Everything. Seriously, everything.
1904
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:56,639
You don't know if they'll let you out
the next morning, even in half freedom.
1905
01:34:56,719 --> 01:34:57,840
Anything could happen to you.
1906
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,639
[interviewer] What do they say
about Marco Mouly in prison?
1907
01:35:01,719 --> 01:35:03,639
That he's a billionaire,
that he's rolling in it,
1908
01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:05,120
and that he needs to be dealt with.
1909
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:06,880
You have the nice guys who kiss up to you,
1910
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:08,880
and you have
the bad guys who act all tough.
1911
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:11,639
The nice ones, you put them next to you
because they're shysters.
1912
01:35:11,719 --> 01:35:14,440
And the tough ones,
you beat them up to prove yourself.
1913
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,360
Sometimes you don't have
the strength to fight.
1914
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,520
LA SANTÉ PRISON
PARIS
1915
01:35:24,599 --> 01:35:28,560
That's my stop, and I'll get back
to my mansion at 42 rue de la Santé.
1916
01:35:35,599 --> 01:35:36,440
Thank you.
1917
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:38,520
[sinister music plays]
1918
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,599
Hey, Radio Fresnes.
1919
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:53,840
Hello. So today we'll kick off
1920
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,480
with an expression,
uh, that's pretty common,
1921
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,800
"Take a hike." You hear me?
1922
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,440
We're only waiting for one thing,
so go take a hike.
1923
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,719
I hope the legal system
will shed light on all of this
1924
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,240
and the truth will come out…
1925
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,599
and that some day
Marco Mouly will tell what he knows,
1926
01:36:16,599 --> 01:36:18,280
he'll put his cards on the table,
1927
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:20,560
and he'll confess
to what he knows deep down.
1928
01:36:21,639 --> 01:36:24,599
Whether he participated
directly or indirectly,
1929
01:36:24,679 --> 01:36:27,320
in my opinion,
his conscience can't be clear…
1930
01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:32,160
and he has blood on his hands.
1931
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:37,440
[interviewer] Marco is
one of your best friends.
1932
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,360
-You described him earlier as--
-My best friend.
1933
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:41,200
Marco Mouly was my best friend.
1934
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,360
Are you saying something he said?
He's the one that said that or did you?
1935
01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:50,280
[interviewer] He did.
1936
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:52,840
Then, you're saying something
that makes me very, very sad.
1937
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:54,240
You want me to tell you something?
1938
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:56,679
There was a day in Israel
I took a lie detector.
1939
01:36:56,759 --> 01:36:59,599
There were police
and people who came in with a lie detector
1940
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:01,560
to see if I knew anything about Samy.
1941
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,280
I took the test with the lie detector.
1942
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:06,280
I left and stood tall as a king.
1943
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:10,759
Why? Because the truth was said.
They confirmed it was true.
1944
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:12,120
I'll put something else to you,
1945
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,800
instead of answering that
because it's a shitty question to answer,
1946
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,679
because it's my word against his word,
it's quotes against quotes.
1947
01:37:17,759 --> 01:37:19,520
And you say he's my best friend.
1948
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,639
Bring one here, a lie detector.
1949
01:37:22,719 --> 01:37:24,320
-[ominous music plays]
-[clicks]
1950
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:27,160
And you'll see the truth.
1951
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,520
Now you're gonna stop busting my balls,
1952
01:37:30,599 --> 01:37:33,400
because you went into some awful topics.
1953
01:37:33,880 --> 01:37:36,960
I'm gonna stop here,
and I'll come back in front of your camera
1954
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:38,679
when you have the lie detector.
1955
01:37:43,719 --> 01:37:44,560
[paper rips]
1956
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,320
[Landa in Spanish]
I'm from the official security services,
1957
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:55,120
the Spanish counter-terrorism police.
1958
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:56,599
JOSÉ ANTONIO LANDA
POLYGRAPH EXPERT
1959
01:37:56,679 --> 01:38:00,400
I've spent seven years
at the US Embassy in Madrid.
1960
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,920
Then I went to Israel, to Tel Aviv,
to the Israel Polygraph Institute.
1961
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,240
[in French] Hello.
1962
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:08,440
How are you doing?
1963
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:12,080
-Please have a seat.
-[in English] Thank you.
1964
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,040
[Velcro tearing]
1965
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:20,000
[in French] You always have cold hands?
1966
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,240
That's normal. I'm shaking a little.
I don't-- I don't do this every day.
1967
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:26,160
[polygraph beeps]
1968
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,599
[interviewer] Do you intend
to tell the truth during this test?
1969
01:38:34,679 --> 01:38:36,679
If I'm here, it's to tell the truth.
1970
01:38:36,759 --> 01:38:38,639
No, no. It's not like that.
It's "yes" or "no".
1971
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:39,560
Yes.
1972
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:42,800
[interviewer] Have you ever
received death threats?
1973
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,320
Yes.
1974
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:46,120
[pen scratching]
1975
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:48,520
Do you fear for your life?
1976
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:56,200
[pen scratching]
1977
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,280
I can't answer that question.
1978
01:38:58,360 --> 01:38:59,719
[Landa exhales]
1979
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,880
Did Samy Souied tell you
he feared for his life?
1980
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:08,639
No.
1981
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:13,880
Are you in any way responsible
for Samy Souied's murder?
1982
01:39:14,840 --> 01:39:16,240
-[pen scratching]
-No.
1983
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:20,800
Are you in any way responsible
1984
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,599
for the attempted murder
of Dominique Ghez?
1985
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:24,639
No.
1986
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:28,520
Do you still consider
Arnaud Mimran a friend?
1987
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:30,120
[pen scratching]
1988
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:38,880
That's off topic.
1989
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,160
Will you someday, maybe,
commit fraud again?
1990
01:39:55,639 --> 01:39:56,719
No.
1991
01:39:56,800 --> 01:39:58,800
[intriguing music plays]
1992
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,880
Prison, yeah, it's scary.
It's definitely scary.
1993
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,599
But then when you watch
shows like Prison Break,
1994
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:07,599
no, I wouldn't have been scared.
1995
01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:09,639
Honestly, I would've said yes right away.
1996
01:40:10,599 --> 01:40:12,920
When they get out with what they have,
what they pulled off…
1997
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,480
'Cause I don't think they've
lost everything, I don't believe it.
1998
01:40:16,679 --> 01:40:17,920
What did we get back?
1999
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,400
Honestly, out of the 1.6 billion,
2000
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:23,679
about, uh, maybe 200 million.
2001
01:40:23,759 --> 01:40:25,120
Sure, that's huge.
2002
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:27,599
Yeah, but the difference…
2003
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:29,759
Well, the difference is,
2004
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,040
the ones who pocketed the money,
well, they kept it.
2005
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:36,200
And he made sure his family
won't be in need. He'll never…
2006
01:40:37,560 --> 01:40:38,599
[Marco] You're not nice.
2007
01:40:38,679 --> 01:40:40,880
I swear by my mother,
you're the biggest dog on earth.
2008
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:42,599
What do you want me to say? You're a hobo?
2009
01:40:42,679 --> 01:40:43,960
[Marco] Yeah, I am a hobo!
2010
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:46,520
-Okay, you're a bum now.
-It's the truth! I don't have any money!
2011
01:40:46,599 --> 01:40:47,520
Really? You don't?
2012
01:40:47,599 --> 01:40:49,240
[Marco laughs]
2013
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:55,280
And I think it will be very difficult
to get the money back.
2014
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:58,840
I wonder if we're
the only ones looking for it.
2015
01:40:58,920 --> 01:41:01,040
I wouldn't like to be the one who has it.
2016
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:02,360
I wouldn't sleep easily.
2017
01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:04,000
And not just for moral reasons.
2018
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:04,920
[inhales]
2019
01:41:05,719 --> 01:41:06,639
[paper rips]
2020
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:12,639
Now I'll tell you what the results are.
2021
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:14,880
-[Marco] Not in front of the camera.
-[interviewer] Yeah.
2022
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:16,960
[Marco] Let him start
with the things that were true.
2023
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,320
Can't you see
Mr. Landa's talking bullshit?
2024
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:20,679
[interviewer] Look at the camera.
2025
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:24,719
Okay, we ready?
2026
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:27,560
[inhales deeply] Okay…
2027
01:41:27,639 --> 01:41:29,240
Marco-- May I call you Marco?
2028
01:41:29,320 --> 01:41:30,280
Yes, of course.
2029
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:34,040
[Landa] I'm happy to be here
2030
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:37,520
to testify that you told the truth
2031
01:41:37,599 --> 01:41:40,719
in all the questions
that were very important to us.
2032
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:43,040
I told the truth?
2033
01:41:43,759 --> 01:41:45,440
["Oulalala" by Kimotion
& Angie Robba plays]
2034
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:49,160
Polygraph tests are not accepted
as proof by French jurisdictions.
2035
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,320
According to José Antonio Landa,
only certain highly trained individuals
2036
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,560
manage to fool the machine.
2037
01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:58,160
The investigation into the attempted
murder of Dominique Ghez continues.
2038
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,560
In July 2016, Polish broker
Jaroslaw Klapucki was sentenced
2039
01:42:01,639 --> 01:42:04,160
to seven years in prison
in the initial trial of the CO2 case.
2040
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:08,360
He was released
by the Court of Appeal a year later.
2041
01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:12,480
No further charges
have been brought against him.
2042
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:16,759
Grégory Zaoui was sentenced
to eight years in prison in the CO2 case.
2043
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,679
Upon his release, he was approached
by the Ministry of Finance
2044
01:42:19,759 --> 01:42:22,160
to share his expertise
in financial fraud cases.
2045
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:25,759
He did not follow up
and enrolled in the Cours Florent.
2046
01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:30,560
Arnaud Mimran
has been incarcerated since July 2016.
2047
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:32,679
On April 15, 2021, he was indicted
2048
01:42:32,759 --> 01:42:34,759
as an "accessory to murder"
in the Claude Dray case,
2049
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:37,200
and for "conspiracy to murder"
in the Samy Souied case.
2050
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:39,840
Pending a court decision,
he is presumed innocent.
2051
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,160
On June 25, 2021,
he was also sentenced to 13 years
2052
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:45,200
by the Paris circuit court
for his involvement
2053
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,560
in the kidnapping and extortion
of a Swiss financier.
2054
01:42:47,639 --> 01:42:50,960
Arnaud Mimran appealed.
A retrial will be held.
2055
01:42:51,639 --> 01:42:53,960
In June 2021, Marco Mouly
was taken into police custody
2056
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:56,000
in the investigation
of the murder of Samy Souied.
2057
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,160
He was released without charge.
2058
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:00,120
The investigation is ongoing.
2059
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:02,320
For the CO2 case,
he was sentenced to repay,
2060
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,480
along with Arnaud Mimran
and their accomplices,
2061
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:05,920
238 million euros to the State.
2062
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,560
He's unsure if he wants to write songs
or be a stock market adviser.
2063
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:11,880
BlueNext, the carbon exchange,
2064
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,440
never recovered
from this massive tax scam.
2065
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,120
It shut down in December 2012.
2066
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,920
In total, the losses are estimated
at more than 1.6 billion euros for France
2067
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,920
and at least six billion
for European Union countries.
2068
01:43:23,599 --> 01:43:26,560
The presence of persons accompanying
anyone in the film at any point
2069
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:29,080
does not indicate
they had knowledge of or participated in
2070
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:30,719
any related illegal activities.
2071
01:43:30,799 --> 01:43:32,799
[song continues]
2072
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:39,480
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