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You've been lied to. But here's the scary part.
It's not going to stop.
You see it every day on social media.
Your friend just became a vegan
and they start proselytizing about how great this diet
is and how well they're doing on it.
And how if you don't change your ways right now,
somehow the planet is going to end in two years.
The reason that we created
it is because we wanted to address
the greatest environmental threat
that humans have ever faced.
Yeah, a quick Google search
will let you know that the vegan diet
is now everywhere.
I just don't want to contribute
to the exploitation and the suffering
and the murder of all these innocent animals anymore.
Listen-- -
--when I was a kid,
we goofed on this whole idea of veganism.
It's not a sustainable diet.
80% of people who go on vegan diets
stop the diet within three months.
We're getting all these people
talking about the vegan diet
as if it's the best way to eat.
I always try to, you know,
tap into something that's gon' better me,
whether as an athlete, as a parent,
as a person.
Uh, I'm vegan now. Oh!
Okay, well, let's look at it.
Eating French fries: vegan.
Pasta: vegan.
Sugar: vegan.
So this is unhealthy vegan food right here.
This one you're about to have is called the Mac Daddy.
You're telling me vegan people eat the same stuff as we do?
Okay, so no one in their right mind
would ever consider the foods
I just mentioned as being healthy.
There are a lot of great foods you can eat on a vegan diet.
Broccoli comes to mind.
So does kale.
If you want to actually...
...eat kale.
Your basic carnivore or meat eater will say,
"A vegan diet can't possibly be healthy, how could it?
You can't get all the vitamins by not eating meat."
The big one that everyone likes to throw around
is B12. Vegans will say, "Not true.
You can just take a multi cap every day
and get all the vitamins you need."
That would be great.
We didn't even learn how to extract vitamins
until the early 1900s.
So it was impossible to be a vegan,
say, in the 1800s or any time in history before that.
Let's just take the amino acids,
the fats from another source,
and recreate those so that we're taking the animal
entirely out of the equation.
So let's say you go on a vegan diet
and you're eating your fake meat.
Here's a list of everything you would have to take
in supplements just to make it a well-rounded, healthy diet.
Vitamin B12, iron, calcium, vitamin D,
omega three fatty acids, EPA and DHEA,
and protein.
Now, you might be saying
some of these fake meats do have some of these vitamins.
Well, yes, the Beyond Burger
has less than 1% of a few of them
and claims they have protein.
But it turns out that plant protein
is not digested as effectively as it is from meat,
so you're not actually using that protein as effectively,
but we'll get to that later.
It doesn't matter what the truth is,
because pop culture is into this.
There's a responsibility, uh, for me
to try and teach and show other people what I've learned.
We're hearing it from politicians.
My veganism is a much better way
to accord myself with the-- with my values.
Do you support changing the dietary guidelines? The--
-The-- -Yes.
-You know, the food pyramid-- -Yes, yes--
To reduce red meat specifically?
Yes, I would.
They're telling us that not only is
eating a vegan diet okay,
they're telling us it's the way
we are meant to eat.
I'm more active, I'm not as sluggish.
It takes less water, less energy.
And then there's the argument
for sentient beings.
No one wants to see an animal die
so that we can live.
What you got there, bud? Yeah.
One of the arguments on the vegan side is,
"Okay, yes, we are part of the food chain.
But if we could manufacture something
in order not to let sentient beings die,
wouldn't that be better?"
Well, yes, it would be better.
But is that really, actually, the truth?
Because you became vegan,
because you're eating fake meat,
does that mean a sentient being didn't die?
Well, that's something we'll have to look at later.
There's nothing acceptable about torturing,
raping and murdering a being
that doesn't want to be killed.
When you look at Beyond Meat or Impossible Burger,
you're being sold a bill of goods.
You're being told that, "Hey, this is better for you,
it's way better than meat."
The choice on the Burger King menu
isn't between this and this, right?
But between this and this, and in that case,
it's a no-brainer.
We made a point of making sure that
the protein content and the protein quality--
actually, the protein quality of our burger is higher
than the protein quality of beef from a cow.
What is usually being offered is protein.
We like to talk about protein.
We like to talk about the protein transition
and how animal protein is supposed to be bad
and plant protein is to be-- supposed to be superior.
But that is extremely reductionist.
This is Frederic Leroy.
He's a professor at Brussels University
and he's a food scientist and technologist.
A piece of meat or a piece of cheese
or an egg is about much more than just protein.
It contains a whole spectrum of vitamins and minerals,
but also a lot of bioactive compounds
that you will not find in, um, the-- the imitation products.
That is problematic because,
say, you know, vitamin B12 or other B vitamins
that are naturally occurring in meat,
many people cannot absorb those vitamins
and minerals in their supplemental form.
My name is Nina Teicholz.
I am a science journalist and author,
and I'm the executive director of a non-profit group
called the Nutrition Coalition.
You may think that you're getting vitamin B,
but your body is not absorbing it well,
and that's true for many people.
You know, when you look at Impossible Burger
and companies like that,
they use a lot of novel proteins.
In other words, things in their meat
that we really can't even fully understand.
This is Dr. Tony Hampton,
a board-certified doctor in family medicine and obesity.
You know, I'm really a big fan
of teaching my patients to eat real food.
So why would I, you know, transition them
to a diet where they're eating,
uh, artificially prepared food or processed food?
And you have to start from material
that is not all that suitable for that, basically.
So, you need lots of processing to get there.
Nutrition is easy.
It's easy to make something that outperforms, you know,
meat from animals in terms of nutritional profile.
Intrinsically, those foods always end up
being ultra processed foods,
because that's the only way
that you can try to get near the original.
Biochemistry. It's molecular biology.
It's genomics, genetics.
There is a growing number of changemakers out there...
Biophysics...
...who are making a difference.
Okay.
-Think about the colors. -It's material science.
Flavors you're supposed to have.
You have to think about the mouthfeel--
it's particularly difficult.
The tech innovators who are changing
how we think about food.
I mean, I'll never stop liking steak.
And the civil society leaders
who are inspiring food movements everywhere
and holding us accountable for our words and actions.
What the fuck? Isn't this getting a little creepy?
Why are these companies going out of their way
to make a non-meat product look, taste,
and smell exactly like meat?
We could save our planet.
We're supposed to eat meat.
Our mission is to completely replace animals
in the food system by 2035.
So....
And you laugh, but we are absolutely serious about it.
It seems as though that the mission statement
behind all of this is,
"Hey, we're going to give you the taste of meat,
but it's better for you and it's better for the planet."
You heard that right.
All we hear about is methane from cows
and how it's bringing on impending doom for the planet.
Cows are the most destructive species
and the most invasive species on Earth,
except for possibly humans.
There is absolutely no scenario
for preventing catastrophic climate change
without a vast reduction in the scale of animal agriculture.
Livestock, of course, in general,
has a greater impact on climate than plants.
You know, that's just true in general.
This is Frank Mitloehrner.
a professor and air quality specialist
in the Department of Animal Science at UC Davis.
Ruminant livestock produce a gas called methane.
They belch that methane out.
Uh, their manure also produces methane
and that methane is a potent greenhouse gas.
That's part of the narrative
and that narrative is the concerning part.
The other truth is that methane
does not stay in the atmosphere
as long as CO2 does.
Methane, on the other hand, has a lifespan
of about ten years, which means...
Which means that in the presence of steady
cattle raising, methane is eliminated from the atmosphere
as new methane is being sent into it.
Which means that responsible farming
and cattle raising emphatically
does not cause global warming.
This isn't to say that it can't
in other parts of the world.
India has more livestock than the United
States, the European Union, and China combined.
And they largely do not eat the cows.
Mainly our goal is to save cows.
So, here's a conundrum.
I see a lot of vegans saying that they want
to stop eating cows. It's immoral.
How do I morally justify doing these things to animals?
Are my taste buds more important than their life?
Well, India isn't eating the cows,
so I guess the only way to stop this
is to make cows extinct.
Talk about a catch-22.
We save our motherland. We save other-- our motherland.
They save our motherland.
India alone accounts for up to 80%
of the world's emissions associated with livestock.
A country that does not eat cows
is causing the most problem with emissions.
Meat is actually quite simple at a high level.
It's amino acids, it's lipids,
it's trace minerals and it's water.
None of those are exclusive to the animal.
What we're doing is taking those same constituent parts--
amino acids, lipids, trace minerals, and water,
and we're converting them directly into meat.
And in doing so, we are eliminating
agriculture's biggest bottleneck.
The animal.
There's a guy named Thanos.
Uh-huh.
And he is working on developing
-the power to snap his finger. - Oh, man.
And wipe out half the population.
-What'd you do? - Ah.
-If you had his gauntlet-- - Yes.
--would you do it for cows?
-I love cows. -You do?
But I don't love having billions of cows
covering the entire planet.
That's actually an interesting moral dilemma.
I guess I probably would,
because those cows are not going to end well anyway.
Wow.
I-I didn't think he would actually say it out loud.
Okay, I'll give the guy a break.
He sounded confused.
Maybe he didn't understand the question.
It's not like he'd say it again.
If you could snap your fingers
and just vaporize that industry--
which I would do in a heartbeat if I could--
Do we have another fact?
About three quarters of all the agricultural land
in the world is used for livestock.
We use the land for ruminant livestock.
Ruminants are able to eat
all the things we can't and on marginal land,
and thus they are using two-thirds
of all agricultural land, because we can't.
The reason why ruminant e-- animals,
uh, belch out methane is because of a unique ability
they have to eat, to digest feeds that nobody else can.
The remaining third is arable land,
where you can grow crops for animals and for people.
And just as a side note,
if you eat organic food, then that organic food
must only be fertilized with organic fertilizers.
And they almost, without exception,
stem from some animal's butt.
It's not a big, beautiful, green field
of cows having a good time.
It is a very binary discourse, I would say.
So it is-- It's almost a moral discourse
with, uh, two categories: Good and Evil.
Meat is-- you know, is the bad boy,
and the plants are the good ones.
So, you would end up with, uh, slogans such as,
uh, "Cows are worse than cars,"
or, uh, "To produce one-- one-- one steak,
you wou-- you would have the equivalence of,
I don't know how many showers."
The other big argument
is about the cows' water footprint
and how it's so massive.
It's by far the biggest user of freshwater,
by far the biggest polluter
of freshwater of any industry on Earth.
This one, surprisingly,
is laughably easy.
94% of a cow's water footprint
is rainwater.
Water that would be there
with or without the existence of the cow.
This means the cows' feed
is grown almost completely by God above.
And what happens to that rainwater?
The cows piss it out and irrigate the land.
Ew!
- Look, he's peeing!
People just want to do the right thing, right?
The general consumer just wants what's healthy.
It's lower in calories, lower in total fat,
lower in saturated fat and zero cholesterol.
Let's go back to the 1980s.
We were told that if you didn't eat fat,
you couldn't possibly get fat.
So we had all of these products come out.
SnackWell's was one of my favorites in that era.
There was no fat in the product.
So, it was nothing but sugar and carbohydrates.
If you didn't eat fat,
they were claiming you couldn't get fat.
Do you know that granola bar
is loaded with fat?
Oh! Oh, no.
But here's Kellogg's
low fat granola bars.
Half the fat of the leading crunchy granola bar.
-Mm! - Hooray!
Really good.
-So, record scratch-- -
You get to 2021 going into 2022,
and the low fat, high sugar
of the '80s didn't turn out the way we wanted it to.
What happened? We have an obesity epidemic,
particularly in the United States.
America's obesity has not doubled,
it's tripled in the past 50 years.
The CDC defines obesity
as anyone with a body mass index over 30.
In the 1960s, that was only about 14% of our population.
But today, it's closer to 40%.
So what do we do? I'm open to suggestions.
A plant-based diet in general has more antioxidants,
more beneficial nutrients.
It's usually lower in saturated fat.
So, there are a number of different reasons
why it's healthier.
You know, I spend a lot of time every day
in social media, and the question becomes,
"Well, come on, this has to be healthier for me.
My doctor tells me not to eat meat.
We have Meatless Mondays in schools around the country.
We have people in the government
who are telling us that meat is bad
and we should have a Meatout Day.
A proclamation declaring March 20th
Meatout Day in Colorado.
Have you seen the lines in reference
to people getting boxes of food?
And we-- we wanna have a day of no meat?
It's not the first time the governor,
whose partner is vegan, has snubbed the beef industry.
Sonnenberg recalled how he plugged
Burger King's meatless burger,
sending a bunch to the Department of Agriculture.
This contributes to his war on rural Colorado.
It is indeed a slap in the face.
And the reason for the proclamation
is written below.
They want to remove animal products from our diet
because it reduces the risk of various ailments,
-including heart disease-- -
-high blood pressure-- -
-stroke-- -
-various cancers-- -
-and diabetes. -
It becomes a lullaby. It becomes normal.
You know, we're just putting them to sleep.
Meat is bad. Meat is bad. Meat is bad.
Eating a plant-based diet is better for our health,
for weight, for heart disease,
for cholesterol, for diabetes,
for all kinds of different reasons.
And doctors get lulled into this also,
because there's correlation.
You know, too much meat is bad for your heart.
Correlation does not equal causation.
I get it. You're a doctor.
You don't want to get sued. Someone has a heart attack.
You told them to eat meat.
Yet we don't sue them if someone had a heart attack
and we told them to only eat vegetation.
Which, by the way, you want to talk about correlation...
A study out of the UK that followed people
for 18 years found that while people who eat meat
had a higher risk of heart attacks,
vegetarians had a higher risk of stroke.
So a new study suggests
that vegetarians might have a higher risk of stroke
compared to meat eaters.
The research found vegetarians and vegans
had a 20% higher risk of stroke than meat eaters.
The exact reasons for the higher risk? Not clear.
It's possible that very low cholesterol levels
and lower levels of nutrients could be the cause.
So, I say, eat a steak.
If you are really trying to show causation,
you're kind of forced at some point
to take this motto and say,
"I got to still prove my point."
So, even if I start with an epidemiological study,
which is more affordable, easier to do,
I have to then go to the next stage.
And until I get to the next stage,
it's almost irresponsible to-- to put out
into the-- the media that this study proves
a certain thing when it really doesn't,
because the interpretation
of the study is going to be what you put
on the front li-- you know, on the headline.
Now we're being told that having a fake product
is better than a natural product, and this is coming
from the people who used to tell you natural is better.
Now they're telling you that the fake stuff is better.
All the legendary flavor.
None of the meat.
Mm.
When the wagon of change comes, you ride along with it.
I tell people all the time, eat foods that have
exactly one ingredient.
Steak is one ingredient.
Broccoli is one ingredient.
Dairy, one ingredient.
You take Beyond Meat.
You want to guess how many ingredients are in that?
Well, here, let me run through them.
Water, pea protein, expeller pressed canola oil,
refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors,
cocoa butter, mung bean protein, methyl cellulose,
potato starch, passion, apple extract,
pomegranate extract, salt, potassium chloride, love,
vinegar, lemon juice concentrate,
sunflower lecithin and beet juice extract for color.
My favorite part is they're even adding fake blood.
Well, guess what?
The red stuff you see in your steak, that's not blood.
That's myoglobin.
And they're using heme as a substitute to fulfill
hungry vegans' insatiable craving for the real thing.
"Hey, look, we're giving you blood
in a more compassionate way."
Because what they show is going to be the gastronomic
culinary end product, nicely put on a--in a bun
and-- and served.
Uh, something that appeals to the senses.
"Plant-based" sounds more innocent.
It's, uh, aiming not at vegans,
it's aiming at the public at large because
the business model is not made for the niche
of-- of vegans, it's made for, um,
what they call "flexitarians."
The only consumer we care about is--is an omnivore,
a meat consumer.
And the terminology is extremely important.
They will not talk about vegan sausage, for instance.
They will call it a field grown sausage
or anything like that.
That's why you will never actually find vegan
as a denomination very explicitly on--on the label.
What we see today, remarkably, is that the...
...the vegan crusaders in particular,
they are advocating for those products
that are created by big corporations.
So, they're--they're taking sides with, um--with global
elites, and, uh, investors,
and multinational companies, and they're proudly doing so.
When you look at McDonald's, or you look at Subway or Dunkin
or KFC, these tests that we're involved in,
those are some of the largest names in food, and we're
partnering with them to bring our products to the consumer.
So, we're excited about where we are.
I think this evolution has to do with, of course,
uh, what is allowed within a societal discourse.
Now, any fringe movements
or any radical idea will never,
ever be able to dominate mainstream media
if the powers that be don't allow it to do so.
It can only flourish, it can only be, if it is endorsed.
Ha! Burger King!
It's here, it's here,
and it's in every Burger King everywhere. Burger King!
A lot of people are thinking fake meat
is the way to go, that it's number one,
healthier for you and good for the planet.
And in fact, the companies that are doing this,
they're not interested in you at all or the planet.
They're interested in their bottom line.
The critical thing to investors is,
this is a--at the time-- one and a half trillion dollar
global market that's being served by a prehistoric
technology that hasn't improved in millennia,
and is demonstrably one of the least effic--efficient
technologies on Earth.
Um, it kind of reads to them as, "Oh, okay, actually,
this is worth putting some money into."
In 2019, Impossible Foods raised
another $300 million to ramp up production
from the likes of Google Ventures,
Bill Gates and a slew of entertainment celebrities.
Somebody made banana peel pulled pork and it just
took the internet by a storm.
-Holy frick!
The texture? Tastes exactly like pulled pork. The flavor?
100% like a barbecue pulled pork. I'm so confused.
Vegans will say, "Only eat vegetables."
Meat eaters will say, "Only eat meat,"
but somehow when you put them both together,
that's a bad idea.
Listen, we've been talking about this for 40 years,
and we've done nothing except get fatter and sicker.
So, that ends now.
We're going to talk about this in a very blunt way.
You may get upset,
but that's not what I'm worried about here.
I'm worried about your health.
So, here's why eating meat and green
vegetables alone is healthy.
When you cut most carbs and all sugars and grains,
your body's inflammation starts going down.
Also...
Go out and get some sun and move on top of that?
And you're getting your essential
vitamins and minerals and you're good to go.
So, if anyone says this movie does not have
a direct explanation of why meat and veggies
are a complete healthy meal, just give them the time stamp.
I always like to take snapshots from history.
If you go back to Woodstock, which was in 1968,
you couldn't find a fat person in that crowd.
Uh, as a matter of fact, most of these people were
ripped as if they had been doing sit ups all day long,
yet they were swilling beer.
We didn't have a fat problem in this country.
Compare that to even 22 years ago with Woodstock '99
and well...
That tells me we have a problem.
Media will say, "Hey, we're fat,
we're out of shape, we're dying."
But it doesn't offer any solution.
Why is that?
Why doesn't the media go any further?
Well, they're moving on.
They're in the business of telling
a salacious story and then moving on.
You know, it's all about sound bites.
We don't ever do anything about it.
For many years as a physician, I was a vegetarian for eight
years, and--and what I've found is that as I've
attempted to encourage that dietary approach
in that community that I served, what I found
is that they struggle to do it because of various reasons.
Some was culture.
Some people felt like, "If I eat that way,
which is considered "healthy," that was, uh, anti my culture,
not just anti my diet."
So, it--it was almost like, "You're taking away
a part of me."
And a lot of people in the community,
that's really offensive to them.
So, let's listen to your body.
And if you eat a certain way and you do really well,
why not just eat that diet?
I mean, I have patients who are carnivore, and if they eat,
uh, you know, certain types of grains because of the things
like oxalates and vitiate and those anti nutrients--
lectins--When they eat these things, they just get sick.
So how--how would I look as a physician to stand
before them and say, "You know what?
I know you get sick from this stuff.
You'll be fine after a while, your body will get used to it.
And just stay sick until you get used to it."
That doesn't make any sense.
Now, all that being said,
you won't be seeing any interviews with any vegans
in this movie.
That's not without trying.
We asked them, specifically vegan experts and doctors.
We asked maybe the first and foremost expert
everyone talks about, Dean Ornish.
Fat tends to cause you to be fat.
We asked Dr. John MacDougall.
Kempner knew back in the '50s that sugar makes
insulin work better and cures diabetics.
We asked everybody's favorite, Dr. Michael Greger.
Nip the tip.
Ah?
And then you s-s-s-s--suck it all up.
Mmm.
And we asked the esteemed
doctor at Harvard, Walter Willett.
In the U.S., red meat consumption is actually down
about 40% from the peak in 1970.
Uh, it needs to go down further.
Uh, even with sort of moderate efforts,
we can make big dietary changes.
Now, you may be surprised by their responses.
Or maybe you're not.
-I don't know.
Let's read the letter I sent them.
"Dear Doctor, I am about...
To make this as easy as possible, we will conduct
the interviews online, remotely and at your convenience.
I very much hope that you will join me in this endeavor.
And I look forward to hearing from you.
Pretty good, right?
Okay, I'll get this out of the way.
Dean Ornish just flat out didn't respond.
And Walter Willett said:
"Due to the deluge of emails,
I regrettably am not able to respond to all of them.
I had heard that in high school,
Dr. Willett's nickname was Sassy, because I always
thought that he had an affinity for the cat
-inHomeward Bound. -
Sassy! - Sassy!
My boys! My boys! - Sassy!
Then there's Dr. John McDougall.
We sent him the same exact letter,
and shockingly, he wrote back.
He wanted to know who was financing the documentary
and who would be in the documentary.
Fair questions, to which we said...
"It is being financed by Fat Squirrel Films.
Potential guests: Michael Greger, Lierre Keith,
Nina Teicholz, Frederic Leroy and hosted
by Vinnie Tortorich."
"Sounds like something I should contribute to!
Keep me informed."
I was completely shocked that he was going to do
this, but I thought this must be too good to be true.
Maybe I was wrong.
And then he said:
Oh. And then he gave us another, "By the way."
"And Frederick Leroy?
The president of the Belgian Association
for Meat, Science and Technology?"
This does not sound like anything but an invitation
for controversy that sends...
I live a life, uh, that is, uh, dominated
by the correct information.
If I'm being completely honest,
I sort of expected these responses.
And there's more later.
But the clear thing to me is, it doesn't matter
how nice your letter is, they don't want to debate.
These guys do interviews all the time and say things like...
Healthy and sustainable diet, uh, is a dietary pattern
characterized by unsaturated fats,
largely plant-based proteins,
whole grains, abundant fruits and vegetables.
And things like...
There's all sorts of ways you can get people to lose
weight: tuberculosis, a cocaine habit, aids,
chemotherapy. Lots of ways to lose weight.
So, they're not afraid to do interviews,
just as long as you don't, you know, ask them real questions.
-So keep rocking-- -
While I'm fine doing this only
with those who do agree with me, I still want to
take a look at some of these claims these people are making.
So let's have at it.
The reason I've spent 40 years conducting the highest
quality research published in the leading peer reviewed
journals is that's really the whole point of science,
is to help people sort out what's true and what isn't.
The whole foods plant-based diet that's low
in fat and sugar, moderate exercise, various
stress management techniques, including meditation...
-and psycho-social-- This is Dean Ornish.
His claim to fame besides being associated with Bill Clinton
and the low fat movement, is a lifestyle study he did
that claims to show plant-based diets
reverse heart disease.
So you have done studies on
people who have reversed chronic heart disease.
We found that even severe heart disease can be reversed.
Type two diabetes, high blood pressure,
-high cholesterol-- - Yeah.
--and even early stage prostate
cancer may be slowed, stopped and even reversed.
The problem with the study
is the same as the rest.
Correlation versus causation.
The people in the study who reversed heart
disease with a plant-based diet also exercise
and meditated and focused on well-being overall.
Oh, and they cut sugar.
I've talked about this before, but cutting sugar and sticking
to real food, plus exercise, is going to work for anybody
at first, regardless of what food they're choosing.
But as we talked about before, the vitamin
issue can't be avoided.
Red meat has significant
benefits as nutrients for much of the world.
Heart disease and its causes are so varied
that you can't just say, "Eat this, don't eat that."
The reason a lot of studies show that red meat
causes heart disease is because those who smoke
and drink are more likely to eat red meat.
If you're vegan or plant-based,
you're automatically more concerned with your health
and therefore more likely to exercise as well.
What about cancer?
World Health Organization
says eating processed meat poses the same
cancer risk as smoking.
The report puts processed meats such as bacon and hot dogs
at the highest risk rating.
That is the same as cigarettes and alcohol.
Red meat is called the next highest risk.
In the nutritional field, um, they will typically
also associate red meat and processed meats.
So, they make it very often one category.
And then they say, you know, red meats and processed meats
are associated with colorectal cancer
and with all sorts of cardiometabolic diseases.
And probably some of those products
aren't all that healthy for you.
Um, but it is a extremely heterogeneous category.
Well, in general, if you wanted to pick some food item
in a negative way, then, um, the oldest technique
and strategy, uh, in the books is really that you look
at the worst offenders.
Even processed meats,
the concept of processed meat--
processed meats-- it involves the worst of products.
Oh, you know, the-- all of the deep fried nuggets
and whatever's um-- whatever's on the market now.
Whenever they do the studies, they mix red meat-- good,
wholesome steaks, in with, you know, things like salami,
hamburgers, and we don't even know if they're taking
the ketchup and all the goop off of the hamburger.
They're talking about a hamburger
from a hamburger joint.
All of this gets lumped in, so they're not just
talking about the one single food,
they're talking about all of it at the same time.
Everybody from the World He-- Health Organization
to the American Cancer Society have said, "Don't eat
so much processed meats, don't eat so much red meats."
They don't like to differentiate.
They all want to lump it together with the worst
of imaginable-- imaginable products.
Processed meats. Why are they bad?
Well, in order to get a meat to have shelf life,
they have to add stuff to it, chemicals.
They have to add sugar in the form of dextrose.
So in essence, we're lumping in processed meats
and what you might get, say, at a McDonald's or a fast food
restaurant, with real red meat: steak, ground chuck,
real hamburgers that you may have at home.
But it's all lumped together.
Then they throw it out and say that it's cancer causing.
Those studies, repeated again and again
and again multiple times over the course of a year,
penetrate the consciousness of, um, the population.
They're picked up by the media.
They're reported as if they are causal findings,
as if they're cause and effect, when they're not.
In order to show cause and effect,
you have to do a clinical trial.
And so when you look at the clinical trials
on red meat, what has been found in the meta analysis--
that's when they do a review of all the clinical trials--
is they cannot find that red meat
causes any of these diseases.
Based on the research, we cannot say with any
certainty that eating red or processed meat causes
cancer, diabetes or heart disease.
The study recommends adults
continue current red and processed meat consumption.
It's a finding that's prompted calls for a retraction.
The most prominent critic, Harvard School
of Public Health, which labeled that conclusion,
"Irresponsible and unethical."
Until you have those clinical trials,
you cannot convict meat of causing these diseases.
It's just-- We do not have the level
of scientific evidence that is needed to do that.
So, you might ask yourself, "Why aren't more studies done?"
Well, studies cost a lot of money. A lot of money.
And who has money to do that?
Big corporations, the ones that want
to see meat go away so that you can buy their fake foods.
These are confusing times,
which is just about the right time to have
the Burger King Impossible Whopper.
A Whopper made without beef that tastes
just like a Whopper.
So, what is happening
is that they're turning
the original notions we had about food upside down.
Um, and what was-- what was cherished the most in the past
by the previous generations were the nutrient dense foods.
And that, of course, included meat and dairy, animal-sourced
foods, that were essential for food security before.
And suddenly those products have become the ones
that we should avoid, which is extremely surprising.
Um, you even see that meat-- red meat in particular--
is often called an unhealthy food.
And they-- they lump it together with sugar
and with, um, refined, uh-- refined starches.
So, that is a very remarkable evolution.
So, the reality is the world's best diets from a vast array
of evidence-- And-- and this is what the true health
initiative experts from all around the world rally around.
There-- there's a theme there, and the basic theme--
Michael Pollan said it nicely: "Eat food,
not too much, mostly plants."
So, in essence, we've never really had
a study done in the opposite direction.
Or have we?
There's one going on online right now.
It's a bunch of N1 experiments of people cutting
out sugars and grains, eating low carb,
eating nothing but meat and vegetables.
And it's an amazing thing what's happening.
They're losing weight.
They're reversing type two diabetes.
They're reversing their A1Cs.
These are real people and real things.
And I guess you're going to say,
"Well, an N1 experiment is just one person.
But when that experiment happens over and over
and over again, not a hundred times, not a thousand times,
not 10,000 times,
but hundreds of thousands of times,
isn't that basically an epidemiological study?
Epidemiological studies are exactly how they figured
out the other side of this equation.
So if it works on that end, it has to work
on the opposite end.
Follow the science.
What you'll hear very often is that they tell
you to follow the science.
And we see that academia-- a part of academia--
maybe a-- the loudest part of-- of academia--
is, um, following that narrative
and pushing that narrative.
Eco-anxiety is a condition that people are reporting
and it refers to the dread and helplessness that come
with watching the impacts of climate change.
Climate change is exploiting the world's land
at an unprecedented rate.
Eating more plant-based foods
and sustainably produced meats can change
land use and mitigate climate change.
Making conscious food choices is a place
where a lot of ground can be made up by individuals.
Would you like to try a burger made with plants?
-Plants? - It's delicious,
and I am a kid, so if I like it....
Mmm. Mmm. Mmm!
Companies trying to sell plant-based foods
makes sense because it's a new market
with lots of money to be made.
But this isn't just companies, per se,
it's a group of people from all over the world
pushing a new way of eating
that may ultimately disturb you.
First, there's EAT-Lancet.
EAT-Lancet is pushing an agenda right now
that's called the Planetary Health Diet.
That's creepy.
A new diet that some scientists say
could be the key to sustainability.
New research published in
the medical journal, The Lancet,
claimed that the Planetary Health Diet
will not only prevent further damage to the environment
but will also improve our health.
One of the main examples is probably
the Planetary Health Diet,
which has been developed by The EAT-Lancet Commission.
That's a group called EAT-Lancet.
And they do a lot of these studies.
But when you go to their website,
what they claim is,
"We're basing all of this on sound science,
impatient disruption and novel partnerships."
-They also say... - However,
"This change requires reframing
"at the population and systemic levels.
"By contrast, hard policy interventions..."
The EAT-Lancet diet has been designed
based on health arguments.
So it's not a diet that has been designed for...
the environmental part.
The environmental parts come later.
First, they designed it for health.
And the person that
is the architect of the Planetary Health Diet
is mostly Walter Willett from Harvard.
Now we have large, long term epidemiologic studies
where we've followed
hundreds of thousands of people for decades.
And again we see, compared to plant-based protein sources,
red meat is related to higher risks of type two diabetes,
cardiovascular disease,
some cancers and overall mortality.
So you put all that together
and the weight of evidence is actually extremely strong.
Walter Willett has been saying since the early 1990s
that the correct amount of meat to eat is nearly zero,
that we should eat very, very little meat.
He doesn't believe in it.
And he's been saying this since the early '90s.
He also runs a very influential program at Harvard,
the Harvard School of Public Health,
which he ran for decades. He also published papers--
78 papers, according to one analysis that we did--
Where the findings were that red meat was associated
with negative health outcomes.
And 130 findings
that vegetarian, or mostly vegetarian diets,
were associated with positive outcomes.
Our study on the Harvard School of Public Health
found hundreds of thousands of dollars
given to it by the nut industry,
um, a source of protein that's an alternative to meat.
We found funding from groups that believe in veganism,
such as-- Who have an ideological
or religious belief in veganism,
none of which are ever declared
by Walter Willett when he issues a paper.
He always says that he has no conflicts of interest
and yet there is this huge amount of funding
for the school in general. Now, EAT-Lancet
successfully came to dominate at the United Nations
with its Planetary diet, its global reference diet,
whatever you want to call it,
without having a single conference
or meeting that included views to the contrary.
So that's a stunning fact.
The UN, with all its member states and agencies,
obviously have a critical role to play
in this great food transformation ahead.
And you have the power to set the agenda
and create the arenas
to make sure that food becomes a driving force for progress,
for people, planet and prosperity for all.
Without any debate or consideration
from opposing sides to reach a "consensus"
about where the whole planet ought to go
in terms of nutrition.
So I could not be more proud
to introduce co-chair Professor Walter Willett
from Harvard School of Public Health
to present the key findings of the EAT-Lancet
landmark report on food planet health.
It is important to investigate,
to examine every detail and wonder...
We're not here to do things by the book.
Ask around.
Please do.
Define a healthy reference diet.
A question is like a journey...
Defined planetary boundaries.
A quest...
Global food system modeling framework.
Nothing important will ever happen
as long as you don't dare to ask....
We do have strong data
to support moving down the pathway
toward achieving these goals.
Free. Open.
Question everything....
We-- we do see that feeding
10 billion people a year a healthy diet
can stay within our planetary boundaries.
It really is possible and we can have the opportunity
of passing on to our children a healthy planet.
Thank you.
This is a group that wants to change
the global food system.
I'm not really sure what that means.
You're going to tell me that a Cajun in Louisiana
is gonna eat the same thing
that someone in the Maasai tribe in Africa is gonna eat?
Or even a guy up in Reykjavik, Iceland?
How do you bring the world together
to eat the same food
or to think the same way?
It's not natural. It's never been done
and I doubt it's gonna get done here.
But what we're going to end up with
is a big mess along the way.
EAT-Lancet does say you can have beef.
But how much?
Well, I looked into it.
It's seven grams...
per day.
You want to know how much seven grams is?
This chunk of cheese is seven grams.
This is what EAT-Lancet wants you to have
per day in beef.
I did more math.
This amount of cheese could feed a family of four.
This here is seven grams of jerky, beef jerky, okay?
Um, if anybody thinks that that's enough
for an adult, uh, person to consume,
uh, that person either doesn't understand nutrition
or doesn't understand human culture or human nature.
This is just simply laughable.
Uh, yes, you can do very well without any animal products.
I do mention though, keeping an eye
on the B12 issue is important.
Uh, some people, uh, not paying attention
end up with various major neurologic diseases
because of that. But there's a simple fix,
uh, of-- by taking supplements
or fortified food for the B12 part of it.
Walter Willett, he says he's gonna
tell us what to think.
Yeah, yeah, you remember the quote.
Willett had a hand in writing that
along with all the other good folks at EAT-Lancet.
This essentially means this unelected body of people
are pushing to get policy passed
that will raise the price of meat
in a variety of different ways
while pushing a diet not based on evidence
or how people behave.
We also need to deal with policy and
use economic levers, uh, taxes and subsidies
to make it, uh, be... uh, a viable choice
for everybody along the food chain.
They will actually have to force us
to do what they want us to do
in order to comply with their global eating plan.
This work done by EAT-Lancet is really the pathway forward.
It's the compass. And the people who have produced it
are very courageous,
they're gonna come under attack.
And they will continue to come under attack
but it's important.
And that's because the future of people
and the planet depend on it.
The Planetary Health Diet is
a global reference diet for adults
that is symbolically represented
by half a plate of fruits, vegetables and nuts.
The other half consists of primarily whole grains,
plant protein, beans, lentils, pulses,
unsaturated plant oils,
modest amounts of meat and dairy
and some added sugars and starchy vegetables.
I don't know about you but that sounds
like a recipe for getting fat.
If you look at the actual grams
that they proposed for these carbs,
they recommend eating almost two and a half pounds
of carb-heavy foods every day.
But my God, stay away from meat!
All you have to do is follow the money.
It turns out that EAT-Lancet's Planetary Health Diet
is in partnership with the World Economic Forum.
We will now start a quite high number
of taskforces to look at all the different issues.
What do we need to do in the next year
to improve the financing situation
for global food system transformation?
What-- what can we all do to help?
Actually, I just mentioned that my donor
have actually committed, last year--
Last month here in Stockholm, actually, four billion--
Four billion--?
Actually half billion is dedicated to food system.
To me, it's a major, major victory
that we should all congratulate ourselves.
Are they really interested
in the ethics of this whole thing?
Do they really care about the environment or our health?
Or is this just purely economical on their part?
I hate all human beings.
All humans are a psychotic scourge to this planet.
You know what the animals would say to you
if they could speak?
Don't fucking kill me--
Where'd my tooth go?
Did I just fucking break my tooth?
A vegan fried egg.
100%, the only guilt-free option
you're going to have for Thanksgiving.
To be sure, there are people
who believe what they're saying but a lot of the time
they don't come with any other evidence
as to why, other than, "Don't!"
Once you see the science, I think you will agree that
you're glad you were not on a ketogenic diet.
Okay. Bottom line is, um...
do not eat a ketogenic diet.
Meanwhile, very powerful people
are doing their thing behind the scenes
to make sure their agendas get passed
and we're just letting it happen.
It's pervaded everything, too.
Not just the dark but somehow brazenly public corners
of the political world. I was watching one of these
vegan propaganda documentaries.
It was about changing the game or something
where they take athletes.
They're saying, "Hey, these are the best athletes in the world
because they only eat a vegan diet
and they never touch red meat!"
And then they go into some of these athletes.
Well, one guy they claimed was, well,
one of the strongest people in the world.
Patrick is one of the strongest men on the planet
with multiple world records,
including the front hold,
the keg lift
and the log lift.
Which is odd because...
I like watching those competitions
and I had never seen this guy show up
in one of the strong man competitions,
so I got curious and I started looking around
and what did I find?
He did win a strong man competition.
It was called Veg Fest.
That's right. He was the strongest vegan
at that competition that day,
meaning that amongst the weakest athletes,
he was the strongest.
Who says that vegans are skinny
and can't lift paper?
There was another woman they were touting
as an Olympic great in the movie.
She was a 400 meter runner from Australia.
Morgan Mitchell is the two-time
Australian 400 meter champion.
Here comes Morgan Mitchell.
This is very, very fast.
So I wanted to look into her and see
how many gold medals she'd won.
Well, she didn't.
But that's not a big deal.
Maybe she won a silver,
so I looked into that.
No, she wasn't even on the podium.
Well, I was very interested to see,
maybe she was in fourth place,
so I started looking into it.
As it turns out,
she finished 24th overall at the Olympic Games
behind 23 meat eaters.
A lot of people had doubted me when I first became vegan
but my energy levels increased incredibly.
And my iron, my B12, everything that people said would
become deficient were amazing.
One of the other people that was associated
with this movie was the great Arnold Schwarzenegger.
We all love Arnold!
He was the Governator!
Arnold Schwarzenegger did some of
the best movies of all time.
I am a big fan.
And somehow, in this movie,
he miraculously became a vegan.
I ate a lot of meat.
I ate maybe 10, 15 eggs a day.
And, you know, had my 250 grams of protein a day
because I weighed 250 pounds.
The one and only Arnold Schwarzenegger.
But as I got older
and as I started reading up on it,
I recognized the fact that you really don't have
to get your protein from meat.
And then in a YouTube video right after the movie came out,
he opened his fridge
to show a ton of eggs.
Not vegan, by the way.
And he even said this:
-Do you cook at all? -Yeah, of course.
My favorite thing to cook is, of course, steak.
Right. So of course the movie
wants you to think Arnold's vegan
but he still eats eggs and steak.
So I'm figuring if they got all of this wrong
about the movie, could any of it be true?
I wanted to figure out who made this movie.
Where did this come from?
Was it EAT-Lancet?
No, it wasn't.
It was filmmaker, James Cameron.
And as it turns out, he made the whole movie
to push his vegan propaganda product,
a pea protein.
The output of the plant
is three different products:
It's pea protein concentrate.
It is pea starch
and it's also pea fiber.
In terms of the deal coming together,
it was the Camerons and it was really thanks
to their networks that we were able to
jump on this Ingredion opportunity.
From Verdient's perspective,
the fact that we have the Camerons
putting their money into this
and the fact that we have Ingredion,
a global ingredients company,
that has come to the table, too.
I think that really proves that we have something here.
This is something that's lasting.
This will be a legacy for us.
But we also see it as just the start of a--
of a bigger vision for the development of--
of food products and
going all the way back to the source:
how it's grown, what the agricultural practices are,
how to make that as sustainable as possible.
James Cameron created and invested in
North America's largest pea protein plant:
It's not like there was any kind of
conflict of interest there.
And how to shift the world, how to move--
move the needle toward better ways of--
of eating and better ways of-- of growing.
And so I thought, "Wow, this is a win-win.
I'll just cut out all the meat and dairy.
Um, I'm doing my thing for the environment.
And I'm doing my thing for my--
for myself and my own longevity."
And as a father, I need to be around
to protect my family, you know, so it just all added up.
I was like, "Wow, where's the bad news in this story?
-There isn't any." -Here's the crazy part
about all of these fake meats.
They're not really made from vegetables.
They're made from monocultured crops.
That's right. They're made from starches,
fake proteins and seed oils.
By the way, we listed all the ingredients earlier
but there's something else you need to know:
They are cheaply made in Chinese processing plants
and furthermore, Beyond Meat
has partnered with companies like McDonald's,
Pizza Hut and Pepsi.
What does that tell you?
At one level, they're telling you
these fast foods are bad
but then they fall right into bed with them.
So you might say to yourself,
"Well, maybe they're partnering with those companies
to make those companies better, to serve healthier foods."
But we've already listed what's in Beyond Meat.
It's not healthy for you.
They're not doing you any favors.
Listen, I get it.
A lot of this makes me sound like a kook.
But here's the deal.
I don't have a problem with vegans.
These are people who decided to do the right thing.
Their good intentions have been stolen.
I'm just trying to help them get it back.
If you haven't gone vegan yet,
I definitely recommend you do your research.
-Educate yourself. -I did my research.
Mistake number one, I didn't do any research.
-Educate yourself. -I have been doing
a lot of research but I'm not gonna kiss you
'cause I don't want to kiss someone who just ate meat.
Here's the thing. This is a cult now.
It's a religion.
If you ever question a study or any number
they put out, in any way, it's heresy.
Yes, it does include family members of mine
who actually continue eating meat and dairy.
I've watched Earthlings. I know all the facts.
They've been educated but they choose
to continue eating animal products,
whether they actually deserve to continue living...
Can you imagine
someone coming after you for what you eat?
Does this sound normal?
I mean, it's sort of like how
Scientologists behave, to be honest.
And you know what? When you die,
you'll die alone and in pain and in the dark.
Don't get on my bad side,
make some vegan gains and be nice to animals.
Or I'll kill you.
You know, when you enter this world, it--
that's how you get in, is--
you know, usually you meet somebody who's a vegan.
They have a very compelling argument
and you decide to investigate it
and then you're all in.
And once you're all in, it's really hard to get back out.
Take a woman named Lierre Keith, for example.
Well, who is she?
Well, she was a staunch vegan for most of her life.
The thing about being a vegan was that it--
it wasn't about what I ate.
It became who I was.
She went through her teen years,
she went through her '20s.
This woman was-- was building gardens.
She-- you know, she became--
she was immersed in the lifestyle.
But she started having problems.
Veganism was supposed to cure everything.
It wasn't supposed to make you sick and,
you know, destroy your spine and
wreck your reproductive organs and all the rest of it.
And so I just-- I never put two and two together, right?
But as the years went by,
you know, all my friends are vegan.
My sister's vegan.
We're all being vegans together.
One by one, they start dropping out,
you know, like, the eight year mark,
the 10 year mark, 12 years my sister made it.
So this goes on. I'm, like, the last holdout
in my little, you know, my little group.
Once she decided to try beef
and she felt better instantly,
the problems began.
The vegan community came after her.
As a matter of fact, Lierre Keith
was on stage one day, giving a talk,
and there were a bunch of vegans in the audience.
On brand for what happened, it was at an anarchist book fair
and Lierre Keith got a pie thrown in her face.
There's a video of it on YouTube
and you'd think it was a comedy bit by the comments,
which we'll get to.
To be quite honest with you,
it looked funny to me the first time I saw it
until I learned that those pies were laced
with cayenne pepper.
You know, suddenly the world went black
and there was blinding pain in my eyes.
And I have to say that the worst moment
of the assault was hearing people in the audience cheer.
When you are in that world, it really is one part cult.
There were clearly people there
who knew what was coming.
The audience was full of vegans
and not one person stood up to help this woman.
And if you look at the comments under the video on YouTube,
you see what I truly hope are the fringes of society.
I think most vegans are just trying to be healthy.
They don't proselytize, they're just doing their thing.
They think they're eating the best diet for them
and they may very well be doing that.
But then there's this whole other faction where it's--
I would like to say it's almost militant
but it's militant.
When you're slapping cayenne peppered pies
into someone's face and going to restaurants
and trying to overthrow the place...
We love animals. We all love animals.
We love Cecil the lion.
This is not normal behavior for someone who
believes that you should eat a certain way.
My question is always,
why is it so important to them?
Because it feels like it's an assault to yourself.
It doesn't just feel like, "Oh, let me figure out
this intellectual puzzle. Well, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe this piece of information
will change something that I think."
And that's a normal, healthy adult perspective on life,
on, you know, how we should be in the world,
is we're reacting and we're learning
and we're changing and we're challenging ourselves.
But you can't do that from inside
a fundamentalist mindset.
And I think big companies are taking advantage of this.
They see these zealots and they--
they know that they can get these people
to hawk their wares for 'em.
Take Unilever, for example.
They're aiming right now for one billion euros
in sales on plant-based products.
And according to them,
they want plant-based eating to be the new normal.
These are their words. Can you imagine if
even your church would do something like that
or your local government
or your school system?
Think about that for a second
but they're making this the new normal.
It's almost like a lullaby.
They're trying to rock you to sleep on this whole thing
and make it all sound perfectly normal.
Dude, animals, bro. Like, why-- I just don't--
I just don't understand the point.
Why would you eat an animal
when you could eat some chips, like...
This is not moving in the right direction.
And here's the part you would never expect.
A lot of this fake meat
is being made by actual meat companies.
They have to do this for their own survival.
Even a company like Tyson, who we've all heard of,
is investing in Beyond Meat.
The largest meat companies in the world
have also jumped on the bandwagon
and launched their own plant-based meat products.
In case you didn't know,
companies don't have hearts and souls
like us mere mortals.
They live on and they never, ever
let a good tragedy go to waste.
The pandemic has radically changed
the world as we know it.
With everything falling apart,
we can reshape the world in ways we couldn't before.
And that's why so many are calling for a great reset.
Remember, we talked earlier
about the great food transformation.
Well, Time magazine had a cover
that stated "The Great Reset".
I mean, what is this reset we're hearing about?
Where is that coming-- what are we resetting?
Do we need resetting?
Whether it's politicians, CEOs,
academics, activists or you,
we're all about getting people together.
Capitalism as we know it is dead.
If we want to change
where the focus of our recovery will go,
then we need a new dashboard for the new economy.
We have a window of time which is closing
and we need everybody who cares to get together
and find solutions now.
You heard her. Now!
Or else.
I don't know a lot about the Great Reset.
But I somehow know too much about the Great Reset.
The more I read, the more disturbing it gets. So...
you can Google it if you want your week ruined.
Now is the historical moment,
the time not only to fight ,
but to shape the system.
There's this German guy named Klaus,
who started the World Economic Forum.
And he says things like....
We will now start a quite high number of taskforces
to look at all the different issues.
And a bunch of other people at
the World Economic Forum are saying things like...
We have a unique but rapidly shrinking
window of opportunity to learn lessons
and reset ourselves on a more sustainable path.
And then they post things like this...
And say things like this...
It is imperative that we reimagine,
rebuild, redesign,
reinvigorate and rebalance our world.
Yuck.
As we said, these multinational companies
are coming together and they're not
trying to do anything except make money.
They're not worried about you.
They don't really care what you do.
And we're okay as long as they're giving us what we want.
If we don't stand for something,
we're gonna fall for nothing.
And that's going to be a really big problem.
Clearly, this is not just about food.
If anything, it's about always thinking that new is better.
And more importantly,
it's about not being able to handle
the speed of information.
You know, you hear a lot going on
when it comes to technology, right?
People are always talking about A.I.
Well, think about it.
A.I. is happening and you don't even know it.
The best example I like to give
is when I ask anyone today if they know any phone numbers.
It seems like the average person
from my small study of friends
is that they may know two
or three different phone numbers,
but that's a lot.
I'm 58 years old.
When I was 10 or 12 years old,
I probably had 30 or 40 phone numbers in my head.
Folks, that's A.I. taking over, right?
We don't have anything in our heads
anymore of any value.
They tell us what to do. They tell us what to think.
-Can it hear me right now? - This will
keep moving in that direction.
You know, we see all of these sci fi films
that A.I. is gonna take over and there's gonna be
some kind of robot and computer program
and it's gonna all just take over--
It's us giving it up to this technology.
We have all of the stimulation and all these things
that make our lives easier and easier.
We want everything instantaneous.
And because of that,
we're becoming weaker and weaker.
So that allows something like a reset to slip right in.
And no one cares. It just happens.
It becomes the new normal.
The world's moving faster.
It's a digital world moving at digital pace.
Uh, and everything is moving faster:
ideas, people, goods.
But not government.
Government just has to find
a way to move faster and to address
more of the real concerns of its citizens.
Or there will be, I think, an increasing backlash.
I think what we've won is a reprieve.
And I think, therefore, the notion of a reset
is more important than ever before.
Don't get it wrong.
This pertains to the food market too.
How does it pertain to the food market?
The cost of red meat and other--
many other unhealthy things in our diet
don't really include the cost of the consequences.
So all of these levers need to be used.
That does mean that the cost of some foods
in particular would go up.
EAT Foundation has-- has set up
and will continue to expand the mechanism for...
analytic models for doing this on a national basis.
If we don't realize that this is about
power and money and not honest health debate,
the day will come when it's too late.
In the meantime, the youthful idiots of the movement
will continue to push this
and it doesn't matter if they don't make sense.
Take this London Real interview
with our favorite doctor, Michael Greger,
and you'll see how allergic to debate some people are
when Real asks him about the carnivore diet.
What's happening there with the carnivore diet?
I just swear at it.
-That's --
Look, I'm not advising anyone to just eat meat.
But London Real's struggles in this interview
can be felt by anyone.
get scurvy off of, now that's-- I mean.
Okay, so you put-- so you put a little
lime juice in there and you can still keep rockin'.
It goes against every-- I mean, you know--
Right, but some people are living it--
Oh, oh my God, some people are--
-If your--
if your-- if your counter is,
"Well, some people are doing it,
-then basically-- -
Doing it successfully, though, I think.
But we have studies. Let's see--
Let's see what happens when you have
people on a ketogenic diet for 10 years.
In reality, there's no randomized trial
where we started people off earlier in adult life
and randomized some to red meat and some to a plant-based diet
and followed them for 30 years.
That kind of study will never be done.
One diet, only one diet ever proven
reversed heart disease, majority of patients.
That kind of study will never be done.
That should be the starting point as far as I'm concerned.
So let's agree for the moment that red meat,
chicken and any kind of animal is bad for you.
And we all decide that a vegan diet
is the way to go,
except for one egg per week.
Is that okay?
Even just a single egg a week
appeared to increase the odds of diabetes by 76%.
Oh, fuck. -You know,
this isn't an academic debate.
This isn't an academic discussion.
Who's right? Who's wrong?
It's...
People are going to listen
to these and actually hurt themselves,
hurt their families. People are gonna die.
What's the number one cause of death?
Number two cause of death? Go down the list.
These are largely diet-related diseases.
And to tell people to eat
these kind of diets that-- that-- that, you know--
It's not that it's not based on science.
The science is the opposite.
This is not the Dr. Greger diet versus the Dr. Atkins diet.
It's the science.
It's centuries of science versus the latest fad
that someone wants to sell books over.
I may be speaking for Dr. Greger here
but he had a chance to be in this movie
and guess what?
He accepted.
And then he came back and said, "No."
Now, here's the interesting part.
When we asked him, he says he loves to be
in all sorts of documentaries....
Dr. Greger would love
to participate in all interviews
but due to the volume of requests received,
we have to factor in subscribers and reach.
As a matter of fact, he wanted to know
how big my audience was.
And he had certain criteria for that.
"...For example,
if you have a YouTube channel or Instagram,
how many subscribers/followers do you have?
If this is a publication? What is the circulation?
How many people will this interview potentially reach?
Minimum 30,000 required."
We not only met his criteria,
we exceeded it.
And then he came back and said
he was too busy to be in this movie.
"Hi. Thank you for reaching out again.
I apologize, but Dr. Greger
is not available for an interview
due to his current research commitments.
He is currently working on his next book.
Thank you for reaching out to us. Stay well."
So, we have to speak for him.
Yeah, I'm cherry picking only the science that exists!
People like Dr. Greger are the reason
that we need to stick to what we know to be correct.
They are going to oppose meat no matter what we say.
-Why do any more research? -It doesn't matter
what type of information you give 'em,
it doesn't matter which type of studies you might do.
They will oppose meat no matter what,
The science is here. The science has been here
but we cannot wait until society
catches up to the science
because it's a matter of life and death.
They don't want to have a debate.
This isn't an academic debate.
I want to have a debate.
I want you to know how to get healthy.
You want to know how to get healthy?
Cut out carbs. Cut out sugars.
Cut out grains.
Eat more red meat. Have dairy products.
Eat real butter.
You don't want margarine.
You don't want seed oils.
You want to eat real fruit and vegetables.
And guess what?
Exercise is the fountain of youth.
No one ever brings this into the picture.
Some companies talk about it
but they're trying to sell you a gym membership.
You just have to get up and move every day.
The reason we have a metabolic problem in this country,
the reason people are fatter than ever
is because we started eating processed junk.
How do they want to fix it?
With processed junk!
The problem is, nothing is sexy
about telling someone to eat meat,
fish and vegetables.
It's too simple. So what do they do?
They tell you you need
something mixed up in a blender
and put this powder in
and have more of these pills and have those pills
and we get sicker and fatter
as a nation and as a world.
I just wanna say one more thing
about Dr. Michael Greger.
He's never seen one patient since his training.
This isn't a conspiracy theory, either.
This is according to Greger himself,
by way of Dr. John McDougall.
It's pretty uncomfortable to watch, but here it is.
You could correct me on my facts here
but Dr. Greger, and my friend, by the way--
Sure, your friend. -For many years,
you started out in general medicine
but never really have seen many patients, have you?
No, it was really just my postgraduate medical training.
Yeah, I was never in clinical medicine
for longer than that.
I went directly to, uh...
Actually, went-- as soon as I got out
started traveling around,
speaking at medical schools, feeling that,
you know, "How many people can I treat in a day, you know?
Um, and so it was more important
to train the trainers.
And so went on the road and talked to other, uh,
you know-- you know, uh, budding docs
in hopes that they will carry on the torch.
The whole plant-based lifestyle is
also a search for identity.
Also. It is a way to-- to have--
uh, to belong somewhere.
So you're looking for your fellow--
your fellow plant-based brothers and sisters.
You'll find a community, you'll find a story.
There are lots of parallels between the 19th century
and what's happening today.
Um...
In what way? -It's a bit of--
I would say today we are facing a neopuritan time.
It's a time of shame. It's a time of guilt.
And in a way, if you want to-- to deal with that,
you can-- you can do that. You can just buy off your sins
by buying a burger.
We all are against animal cruelty
but we pay people to mutilate, torture and slaughter animals.
And it's not for any necessity.
It's not because we need to for our health.
It's just because we like the way they taste.
There's one thing we haven't talked about yet
and that's animal cruelty.
There's a fact here, folks.
For us to live something has to die.
Most vegans don't believe this.
They feel that if you eat a complete vegan diet,
that no sentient beings have to die.
Well, that's just not true.
I'm John Freeman from Dumas, Arkansas.
I'm a farmer. I grow rice, soybeans, corn
on a 2,500 acre family farm.
These modern combines,
they're GPS-guided
so you don't have to turn the steering wheel.
They're speed regulated to maximize
the speed and the efficiency of the machine.
And if you don't have a conscientious driver,
it's really easy to run an animal through the machine
uh, if you're not paying attention.
Take a combine, for instance,
that's out in a wheat field or corn field
or what have you, it's killing a lot.
And it's not just killing bugs,
it's killing furry little animals.
Everything from skunks,
to rabbits, to field mice, to rats.
It's a dose of reality when you sit there
and as you gather the crop,
now they're flushed from their safe quarters
and they have to go out and find new habitat.
But a conscientious driver, you know,
can-- can, um-- can help 'em out.
But not all drivers are-- pay attention to that.
This is all, by the way, ending up in your food source.
In rice, for instance, a frog would be separated the time
that that rice is milled,
so as long as the frog stays whole,
it will pass through the separator.
Uh, if the frog happens to come apart in pieces,
it's very well ground up with the grains of rice.
You see, vegans are hypocrites.
Haven't you heard that small animals
sometimes die in the production of crops?
And therefore you can't even be 100% vegan?
No, it's true. Animals like caterpillars and worms
do die in the production of crops.
And we also can't guarantee
that small mammals like mice and rats
don't sometimes get killed as well.
But the difference is that notion of intention
and certainty.
And so think about it this way.
If you are driving down the road
and you accidentally run over a dog,
morally, that is not the same
as if you were driving down the road,
saw a dog, actively pursued them
until you run them over.
But the philosophy and ideology behind the argument
that it's morally justifiable to buy animal products
because sometimes small animals die in crop production,
adheres to the idea that morally speaking,
accidentally hitting the dog
is the same as intentionally hitting the dog.
Amen.
But that's not the worst.
Did you know that for you to eat plants,
snipers are involved?
You know, some of the thermal hunting we do,
you could very easily go out in a night
and kill a thousand pounds of pigs.
Uh, and you know, it's a shame to say
but most of that goes to waste
'cause nobody wants a knock on the door
at two in the morning, "Hey, man, how about--
how about a thousand pounds of pigs?"
So as an invasive species,
we really don't have any other alternative.
Uh, otherwise, they would literally destroy
hundreds of thousands of dollars' worth of crop
on just one farm.
These snipers go out under the cover of night
and shoot these defenseless animals
and just throw them out.
You don't believe me?
You don't think I have video of this?
Well, guess what?
There's no free lunch.
Three, two, one.
-Three, two-- -
I want to end the animal Holocaust
that exists in the world every single day.
If you continue to ignore it,
you continue to pay for the slaughter
of these innocent, little creatures.
For the same reason it's considered cowardly
for a man to hit a woman,
it's just as, if not more cowardly,
to support the abuse and murder of animals.
I always-- I was always like,
"Oh, they do it in a nice way,"
which is ironic because there's no nice way
to kill someone who doesn't want to be killed.
I'm sorry. I'm, like...
close to crying because I can't get the images out of my head.