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When I first signed
with an agent, they said,

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"Oh, yeah, you're gonna
have to get naked,

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and everybody knows that
winning the Oscar represents

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that you're not gonna
get naked anymore."

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You're out there
while the men are

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on the sides wearing parkas.

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You're just standing
there with no shirt on.

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Everybody's standing,
staring at you.

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A lot of the nudity
that was asked of me

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was not in the contract.

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I thought, at the time, "This
is what paying your dues is."

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I was afraid if I said no

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that it would make
me too vulnerable.

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For some reason,
sayin no

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would make me more
vulnerable than being naked.

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Did I have to be topless?

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Probably not.

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Already as an
artist, as an actor,

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my body no longer
belongs to me.

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You are giving over your
likeness to a character,

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and then that character
becomes something

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that belongs to the
world, and that's crazy.

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This idea of, "Oh,
I'm less of a true actor

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if I do nudity," as if
it's this negative thing,

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but who decided that?

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Who?

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Zoom
in if you can.

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I wanted to be naked so
there's a sense of normalcy

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about what our
bodies represent,

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not just for trans
people but period.

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Yeah, can we just...

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All these movies

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that I watched growing
up chipped away

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at my sense of who I was,
how to know who I was,

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how to know what I wanted.

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Okay,
marks, everyone.

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How do
we find our desire

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when we're so used
to being looked at?

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Interior bedroom
night, this is a closed set,

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so if you're not in this
scene or working this scene,

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please exit the stage.

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What we see over and over
again is women have to fight

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for ownership of
their own body.

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Okay, here we go.

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- Quiet please.
- Quiet.

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Roll sound.

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Camera speeds.

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Scene 20,
take five, marker.

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'Kay, robe's off.

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Action.

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Everybody learns
how to behave

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and sex and other
things from the movies,

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our notions of ourselves,
our notions of beauty,

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our notions of romance,

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what sex is allowed to be, and
who it's allowed to be with.

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How to kiss, how
to have sex,

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how to be tender,
how to be violent.

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I mean, there are so many
things we learn from movies,

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particularly when
we're younger.

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It's hard to talk about sex,

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but here we have all of
these examples of movies,

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and television, and
now the Internet

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to show us what we
are thinking

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about our relation
to sex through media.

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Sex education.

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Don't have sex 'cause you
will get pregnant and die.

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That's it then
for the penis.

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Let's move on

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to the, the --

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female privates.

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We are sex ed,

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the TV industry
and the film industry.

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We are sex ed.

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When I didn't think
I was gonna make it

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as a filmmaker, as a director,

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I really wanted to do
sex education curriculums

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in high schools 'cause I
just find so many things,

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like, so shocking
about what women

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and girls, like, aren't
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Which is probably

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why I'm really
fascinated as a director

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with what happens
behind closed doors.

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I was raised so
conservative and so Christian

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that I remember watching
"Ace Ventura",

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and it was the first
time I realized

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that sex wasn't just the
penis going into the vagina --

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...because the bed was shaking
back and forth, realizing

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that there was, like, an
actual movement that happened.

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For me, the sex scene that
sticks out is "Love Jones."

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There was, like, one moment
within the scene where

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Larenz actually
kissed her nipple,

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and I was like,
"Whoa."

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Like, "They're allowed
to put this in movies?"

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Like, "This is crazy.

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Oh, this is what
sex looks like.

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This is how I'm supposed
to look as a woman."

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When I was a
teenager I remember watching

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"Fast Times
at Ridgemont High,"

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and there was Phoebe Cates,

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Hi, Brent.

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who was the object of
desire,

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and so wanted,

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and so unattainable, and
I remember thinking, like,

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"I really wanna be her."

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I desperately wanted
to be the object.

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There's a long tradition in
American movies of showgirls,

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of literally showing girls,

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identical-looking women
opening their legs in unison

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going back to the
earliest musicals.

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The idealized and
commodified --

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sexuality of women,

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it's as old an
invention as film.

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Eadweard Muybridge
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who would give lectures,
and he would show

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very, very short
sequences of motion.

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When he got to the women,

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he fundamentally didn't know
what purposeful activity

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to give them to do,

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and so he had them flirt fans,

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or walk up some stairs,
or walk down some stairs.

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One woman is gazing
longingly at another woman.

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So, the men act,

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and the women are always
aware of being looked at.

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Jane, 30s,

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beautiful but pissed.

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Jane, an attractive and
fit nurse in her late 30s.

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Jane 40s, looks 35.

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Jane's the Harvard type.
Pretty, Hispanic.

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Smart as shit and beautiful.

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We need a woman who's
strong-willed but hot.

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She has to be
strong-willed but hot, --

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meaning that a
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usually not attractive.

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The bimbo hot mamacita,

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seductress, voluptuous,
curvaceous, sassy.

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I make you feel
real nice today, Doug.

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I played this one
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an Asian masseuse,

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and I remember

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when that casting breakdown
was being faxed to me

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and was like,
"Is she also a bad driver,

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and is she good at math?"

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I mean, how many
stereotypes can you roll

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into this one character?

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You read so many
scripts, and you're like,

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"This is what you're gonna do,

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this, and then you're gonna
get money to make this,

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and then you're gonna put this
thought out into the world

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with these characters?"

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When I first started
my TV writing career,

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they were always looking
for a female writer to hire.

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It's terrible to say,

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but at the time I
felt really fortunate.

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I was like, "Oh, they're
looking for a female writer.

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I could be that
female writer,"

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but of course I wasn't
putting it together, like,

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'cause they already have a
writer's room of 11 guys.

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And there wasn't
a lot of interest

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in authentic female stories.

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I'll put it that way.

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In some ways, I
think there's

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a lotta 20 and
30 something male writers,

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who they'd admit, "I'm not
really sure I wanna to know

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what's in a woman's
head," you know,

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and, "I'd rather stand
out here

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and put a
gun in a guy's hand,

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and I'll write that story."

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In some respects, we may
have been shirking it.

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They were just
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and in their
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we were
one-dimensional objects.

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It's limited choices,
and that's just

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because it comes from
limited imaginations.

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You bad girl.

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Mm, you'll find out.

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In the very early
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you find something different.

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In the late 20s, early 30s,

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we did have a lot of
women writing screenplays.

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I mean a lot.

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I would say, like, 50-50.

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Let's all, let's run.

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What you're seeing is

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the modern woman
expressed on screen.

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I don't believe in what
you believe, that's all.

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I don't wanna get married.

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I'm the doctor.

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And very importantly,

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you can have a woman be
very sexually adventurous.

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Hold me close.

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The 20s and 30s
was the sexiest time

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for women in movies, the
Betty Davises, the May Wests,

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A little bit spicy
but not too raw,

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you know what I mean?

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the Garbos,
they were naughty women.

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They were dangerous women.

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Mm, your hand is shaking.

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Women who starred
in the movies had

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a lot of power in those days,
and they'd draw box office,

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and they were saying, "I
wanna do stuff that's real."

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I wanna do it and not
have somebody tell me

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I ought to do something else.

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Women in film were
enjoying free expression.

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And all of a sudden, this
vein was just cut off.

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It was just gone.

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The vulgar, the cheap,
and the tawdry is out.

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There is no room on the
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for pictures which offend
against common decency.

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The Hollywood
production code was invented

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so that Hollywood
could police itself

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and, in that policing,

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prevent any kind of
state censorship.

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- Night.
- Night.

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Couples are sleeping
in separate beds,

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keep both feet firmly
planted on the floor.

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Kisses were only allowed
to be three seconds long,

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and what the kiss would lead
to could never be shown,

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no sexual relations between
white and black characters.

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There was no sex
allowed outside of marriage.

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Goodbye mother.

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But also sex
outside of marriage,

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to the extent that
it could be shown,

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had to be shown as
something that was tragic.

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Goodbye, baby.

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We had different
groups of people

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locked into a certain
representation.

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Just hold on and suck in.

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They're servants.

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They're the sidekick.

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Turn me loose, you
fool, turn me loose.

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It's Ashley.

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Hattie McDaniel,
who was crazily talented,

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had to perfect the
ability to play Mammy.

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What's that
rustling noise I hear?

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Lordy, Mr. Rhett,
that ain't nothing

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but my red silk petticoat
you done give me.

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Black women had to be
positioned in this way

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in which they were
sexually non-threatening

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to white women on screen.

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Later on, they were
hypersexual or deviant.

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I suggest that, while
you're on this ship,

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you wear something a
little less revealing.

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Does it bother the captain?

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Hollywood
didn't have in mind

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black female actresses
as leading ladies.

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Anna May Wong was the first
Chinese American movie star.

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She was always cast
as the dragon lady.

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- Ronald.
- Uh, Joan.

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The person who would

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steal your husband.

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With the code, interracial
marriage was not acceptable.

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It prevented her from
ever being a leading lady.

255
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Don't do anything foolish.

256
00:14:56,460 --> 00:14:58,375
Women's roles
were destroyed.

257
00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:00,595
Now, you listen to me.

258
00:15:00,638 --> 00:15:02,553
You're going to
marry Phil Marshall

259
00:15:02,597 --> 00:15:04,991
and keep your mouth
shut till you die.

260
00:15:05,034 --> 00:15:06,340
Just at a time

261
00:15:06,383 --> 00:15:09,604
when women in film were
enjoying some agency.

262
00:15:26,012 --> 00:15:29,232
After my first movie, when
I started going on auditions,

263
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I hated asking for anything,

264
00:15:33,106 --> 00:15:34,629
and just by dint of
being there,

265
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you're kind of in
this position,

266
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you know, to say,
"Alms for the poor?"

267
00:15:40,635 --> 00:15:41,984
He's just like,
"Forget that I'm famous."

268
00:15:42,028 --> 00:15:43,159
He's just like, you know.
I know.

269
00:15:43,203 --> 00:15:44,856
The feedback I
would get, you know,

270
00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:48,251
going in for, like, these
female leads would be like,

271
00:15:48,295 --> 00:15:49,731
"Is she sexy enough?"

272
00:15:50,253 --> 00:15:51,820
Do it like Shakespeare
but sexy.

273
00:15:52,299 --> 00:15:52,995
Okay.

274
00:15:54,127 --> 00:15:55,128
Right there.

275
00:15:55,171 --> 00:15:55,955
Thanks, okay,
nice to meet you.

276
00:15:57,260 --> 00:15:59,697
You're being
dissected immediately

277
00:15:59,741 --> 00:16:00,611
for your body.

278
00:16:01,961 --> 00:16:03,963
And it's something about
being in a long hallway

279
00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:05,399
with all these girls

280
00:16:05,442 --> 00:16:08,750
with tight tops and
miniskirts on and a big dream.

281
00:16:11,753 --> 00:16:14,974
The amount of parts
that say "nudity required"

282
00:16:15,017 --> 00:16:16,845
or, like,
"simulated sex required"

283
00:16:17,454 --> 00:16:19,108
creates the situation

284
00:16:19,152 --> 00:16:21,502
where all women have
to decide yes or no

285
00:16:21,545 --> 00:16:23,983
before they even get to
audition for the role.

286
00:16:25,332 --> 00:16:26,855
You will lose out on work

287
00:16:26,898 --> 00:16:29,205
if you are not
willing to do nudity.

288
00:16:31,555 --> 00:16:33,383
At the the big studios,

289
00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:35,298
they called it Bikini Day.

290
00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:39,824
They would write a part
for a girl that had to be

291
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in a bikini for no
apparent reason.

292
00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:45,656
So, then they would have
auditions for said

293
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bikini girl,

294
00:16:47,441 --> 00:16:48,746
and that would be the
day they could get

295
00:16:48,790 --> 00:16:51,271
all of the producers there
and the director there

296
00:16:51,314 --> 00:16:53,534
to decide on other,
more important roles.

297
00:16:53,577 --> 00:16:54,317
A shocking pink.

298
00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:59,844
When I was younger I
definitely went to auditions

299
00:16:59,888 --> 00:17:04,545
for the, you know,
sexy teenager.

300
00:17:05,546 --> 00:17:06,808
Lorimar presents

301
00:17:06,851 --> 00:17:08,549
Blake Edwards' "S.O.B."

302
00:17:10,333 --> 00:17:13,771
We were all required to
come in wearing a bikini.

303
00:17:13,815 --> 00:17:15,164
I was very well endowed,

304
00:17:16,296 --> 00:17:17,645
and I got the part.

305
00:17:24,086 --> 00:17:25,609
We were about to shoot.

306
00:17:26,132 --> 00:17:28,438
Blake Edwards, he said,
"Okay, so Rosanna,

307
00:17:28,482 --> 00:17:30,832
when you come in,
you know what?

308
00:17:30,875 --> 00:17:32,660
Let's just lose the
bikini top.

309
00:17:32,703 --> 00:17:33,835
Okay, everybody,
let's go, "

310
00:17:33,878 --> 00:17:35,880
and I was like,
"Um, Mr., Mr. Edwards,

311
00:17:35,924 --> 00:17:39,232
you mean take my, take
my bikini top off?"

312
00:17:39,275 --> 00:17:40,711
I was 19 at the time.

313
00:17:42,322 --> 00:17:44,498
And he goes, "Yeah, what, do
you have a problem with that?"

314
00:17:44,541 --> 00:17:46,978
And I said, "Well, I didn't
know I was gonna be nude.

315
00:17:47,022 --> 00:17:48,545
I didn't know I was
gonna be naked."

316
00:17:48,589 --> 00:17:50,895
And he goes, "Oh, man, Tony,"
to his, you know, producer.

317
00:17:50,939 --> 00:17:53,072
He goes, "Call her agent."

318
00:17:53,115 --> 00:17:55,726
And I just remembered, like,
everybody waiting for me

319
00:17:55,770 --> 00:17:57,119
and then him looking,
you know, holding out,

320
00:17:57,163 --> 00:17:59,948
and I was such in a
panic, and I did it,

321
00:18:01,776 --> 00:18:05,171
and I felt very humiliated
and very sad about it.

322
00:18:06,563 --> 00:18:09,697
But you know, this
was those days.

323
00:18:09,740 --> 00:18:11,960
It was a completely
different consciousness.

324
00:18:13,614 --> 00:18:15,659
You were expected
to do these things.

325
00:18:27,802 --> 00:18:30,152
The best way to do this,
to get the right head motion,

326
00:18:30,196 --> 00:18:31,632
and also the DP's
gonna have to put

327
00:18:31,675 --> 00:18:35,549
the camera in the right
place is you make a fist,

328
00:18:35,592 --> 00:18:36,811
you put your thumb here.

329
00:18:38,987 --> 00:18:39,988
You suck your own thumb.

330
00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:43,165
And if you put the
camera right behind them,

331
00:18:43,209 --> 00:18:44,558
Mm-hmm,
it just looks like-

332
00:18:44,601 --> 00:18:45,428
- then you get the whole-
- Yeah.

333
00:18:45,472 --> 00:18:46,516
Thing.

334
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,343
And it gets the right-
Freaky.

335
00:18:47,387 --> 00:18:48,779
Yeah, oh, yeah, wow.

336
00:18:48,823 --> 00:18:49,476
- The guy's head movement.
- The look of it.

337
00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:50,564
- Yep.
- Wow.

338
00:18:50,607 --> 00:18:52,131
Did not know that.

339
00:18:52,174 --> 00:18:53,262
Wow.

340
00:18:53,306 --> 00:18:54,307
Yep, okay.

341
00:18:56,265 --> 00:18:58,311
Today, we're gonna
be getting to the core

342
00:18:58,354 --> 00:18:59,921
of what does it mean to
be an intimacy coordinator

343
00:18:59,964 --> 00:19:01,836
and, like, how does all
this stuff function.

344
00:19:03,229 --> 00:19:07,276
We're gonna talk about the
three most common types

345
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,974
or, like, themes
in choreography,

346
00:19:10,018 --> 00:19:12,238
which are romance,
passion, dominance,

347
00:19:12,281 --> 00:19:14,979
so like, what sorts of
touch are associated

348
00:19:15,023 --> 00:19:17,156
and then what are
some, like, hints

349
00:19:17,199 --> 00:19:19,810
in terms of often
dialogue that we're going

350
00:19:19,854 --> 00:19:21,769
in the direction of
this theme.

351
00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:28,993
Romance typically has a gentle

352
00:19:29,037 --> 00:19:31,866
but solid feeling
at the same time.

353
00:19:34,085 --> 00:19:35,304
See how light he's being?

354
00:19:35,348 --> 00:19:36,218
Yeah.

355
00:19:37,567 --> 00:19:40,004
Long, soft,
continuous strokes

356
00:19:40,048 --> 00:19:41,354
over different
areas of the body,

357
00:19:41,397 --> 00:19:43,530
- This guy's-
- That reads romantic.

358
00:19:45,532 --> 00:19:49,057
They're about to go into
passion, and here we go,

359
00:19:56,586 --> 00:20:00,286
It's kind of animalistic, and
they kind of just, like, allow

360
00:20:00,329 --> 00:20:03,332
themselves to get lost
in the experience,

361
00:20:03,376 --> 00:20:05,334
and it's a bit out of control.

362
00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,127
So, the last one's dominance.

363
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,965
The energy tends
to be cool, calm, collected.

364
00:20:33,710 --> 00:20:36,235
It can be sadistic.

365
00:20:37,627 --> 00:20:38,802
It can be punishing.

366
00:20:44,243 --> 00:20:48,159
Just is occurring to me
how fraught this is for men.

367
00:20:48,203 --> 00:20:50,814
A lot of them are
afraid of, like,

368
00:20:50,858 --> 00:20:53,252
"What if I, like, cross
another person's boundaries?"

369
00:20:53,295 --> 00:20:55,645
Or, "What if I, like, harm her
or do something?" you know.

370
00:20:55,689 --> 00:20:56,646
And you have to
do a good job.

371
00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:57,734
It needs to look a
certain way.

372
00:20:57,778 --> 00:20:58,431
I mean it's a lot of-
Mm-hmm.

373
00:20:58,474 --> 00:20:59,388
- Ooh.
- Yeah.

374
00:20:59,432 --> 00:21:00,868
It's, like, an exaggeration

375
00:21:00,911 --> 00:21:01,521
of everything in the culture
happening right there.

376
00:21:01,564 --> 00:21:02,348
Yeah.

377
00:21:02,391 --> 00:21:03,871
Mm-hmm.

378
00:21:03,914 --> 00:21:04,785
Okay, here we go,

379
00:21:04,828 --> 00:21:07,048
let's lock it up, please.

380
00:21:07,091 --> 00:21:08,571
Belle Rose, take one.

381
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,314
All right, quiet
now, on a bell.

382
00:21:14,316 --> 00:21:16,710
And roll please.

383
00:21:19,016 --> 00:21:20,714
Speed.

384
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:25,109
If there's gonna be nudity
or a sex scene in a movie,

385
00:21:25,153 --> 00:21:27,155
SAG has certain requirements.

386
00:21:30,637 --> 00:21:33,117
They have to send
you, in writing,

387
00:21:33,161 --> 00:21:37,296
what the sex or the
nudity is going to entail.

388
00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:44,041
The nudity rider is
a very thorough list

389
00:21:44,085 --> 00:21:46,392
of what can or cannot be shown

390
00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:49,351
and what you will
or will not do.

391
00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:51,048
You have these

392
00:21:52,006 --> 00:21:55,966
fairly dry conversations

393
00:21:56,010 --> 00:22:00,884
about boob, side
boob, nipple, flank.

394
00:22:01,624 --> 00:22:02,712
That's a big one, flank.

395
00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:05,019
Let me see your tits.

396
00:22:09,153 --> 00:22:11,286
For the purposes
of this nudity consent rider,

397
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:13,810
player agrees that player
services will require

398
00:22:13,854 --> 00:22:16,378
nudity and/or simulated
sex scenes in accordance

399
00:22:16,422 --> 00:22:18,772
with the terms and
conditions provided herein.

400
00:22:18,815 --> 00:22:19,599
Very nice.

401
00:22:21,470 --> 00:22:24,473
I'll show the side of my
breast but not my nipple.

402
00:22:24,517 --> 00:22:27,781
I'll show my rear end,

403
00:22:27,824 --> 00:22:28,999
but I only want

404
00:22:29,043 --> 00:22:30,697
part of the butt
crack to show.

405
00:22:30,740 --> 00:22:33,787
It's sometimes a
little odd to go through

406
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:35,354
how specific it is,

407
00:22:37,443 --> 00:22:39,140
you know, whether
you're going to see

408
00:22:39,183 --> 00:22:42,230
the nipple or not,
the areola or not.

409
00:22:43,710 --> 00:22:46,582
It even gets as specific as,
like, if you have a position,

410
00:22:46,626 --> 00:22:49,411
if you're doing, like,
doggie style, for example,

411
00:22:49,455 --> 00:22:51,370
it includes the anal cavity.

412
00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:53,023
And even with
the nudity rider,

413
00:22:53,067 --> 00:22:54,503
it's not entirely perfect.

414
00:22:54,547 --> 00:22:56,375
Thought
that's what you wanted.

415
00:22:56,418 --> 00:22:57,767
No.

416
00:22:57,811 --> 00:23:00,422
It has definitely happened
where people thought

417
00:23:00,466 --> 00:23:02,685
a scene was gonna get
portrayed one way,

418
00:23:02,729 --> 00:23:05,949
and they arrive, and all of
a sudden the director has

419
00:23:05,993 --> 00:23:09,083
this other, really
creative idea.

420
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,089
The sex scene wasn't,
"Oh, we're making love."

421
00:23:15,132 --> 00:23:17,265
It's very harsh,

422
00:23:18,484 --> 00:23:20,921
things that they would
not have agreed to

423
00:23:20,964 --> 00:23:22,879
if they had understood

424
00:23:22,923 --> 00:23:27,449
how the director was going
to film that nude scene.

425
00:23:27,493 --> 00:23:28,276
Video.

426
00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:32,715
And if it's not SAG, you
don't have protections.

427
00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:34,543
There's a whole
arena of movies

428
00:23:34,587 --> 00:23:36,763
where you're not
covered by a union.

429
00:23:36,806 --> 00:23:39,026
You have no protections.

430
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,638
I went on set,
and I discovered

431
00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:46,729
that I had two nude
scenes, not one.

432
00:23:48,601 --> 00:23:50,951
I was told that it was
gonna be empowering.

433
00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:55,085
In this industry,
things happen so fast.

434
00:23:55,129 --> 00:23:57,914
They don't really, you know,
sit down with you like,

435
00:23:57,958 --> 00:23:59,655
"Oh, we're thinking
about doing it this way

436
00:23:59,699 --> 00:24:00,787
or this other way."

437
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:03,572
When I saw the final product,

438
00:24:03,616 --> 00:24:06,096
I didn't think it
was tasteful at all.

439
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,888
Talent to set.

440
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,761
And that's why it's
really so important on a set

441
00:24:18,805 --> 00:24:21,460
to have a person who can
help you enforce your rights.

442
00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:24,463
Action.

443
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:35,952
The hair I'm
using is human hair.

444
00:24:35,996 --> 00:24:38,564
It's permed and straightened,

445
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,785
and I've got two or three
different colors here,

446
00:24:42,829 --> 00:24:45,135
and I'm blending
the colors together.

447
00:24:49,096 --> 00:24:52,752
Actors that are doing
mainstream entertainment

448
00:24:52,795 --> 00:24:57,234
are not signing up to do
a real sex scene.

449
00:24:57,278 --> 00:24:58,932
They're not really having sex,

450
00:24:58,975 --> 00:25:01,108
but they have to really
look like they are,

451
00:25:03,066 --> 00:25:05,416
so a merkin is

452
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,680
essentially a pubic hair wig.

453
00:25:10,291 --> 00:25:11,553
And a lot of ladies
say they like wearing

454
00:25:11,597 --> 00:25:12,554
the modesty garment
with the merkin over it

455
00:25:12,598 --> 00:25:14,556
'cause they look
totally naked,

456
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,340
but they don't
feel like they are.

457
00:25:16,384 --> 00:25:19,082
They feel like they're wearing
an item of clothing still,

458
00:25:19,126 --> 00:25:20,301
so they feel safe.

459
00:25:22,042 --> 00:25:26,307
And then, when it's done,
it's very natural looking.

460
00:25:27,743 --> 00:25:29,876
I like to present them
in nice little boxes.

461
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,747
Kinda makes everybody
kinda comfortable

462
00:25:31,791 --> 00:25:35,229
about the whole situation,
which can be very awkward.

463
00:25:37,405 --> 00:25:38,232
Hi, good morning.

464
00:25:38,275 --> 00:25:39,581
- Hi.
- Hi.

465
00:25:39,625 --> 00:25:40,800
Do you have any
skin allergies?

466
00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:41,627
No.

467
00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:42,584
Perfect.

468
00:25:57,599 --> 00:25:59,688
The experience of
shooting a sex scene is,

469
00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:03,213
like, the least sexy
thing in the world.

470
00:26:04,911 --> 00:26:06,565
♪ Ba, ba

471
00:26:12,701 --> 00:26:15,269
They will have
a modesty garment on,

472
00:26:15,312 --> 00:26:17,967
which is a very
small pair of panties

473
00:26:18,011 --> 00:26:20,927
that has no sides and no back.

474
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,932
Some people
are very nervous.

475
00:26:25,975 --> 00:26:28,848
It's not something
they do every day.

476
00:26:32,068 --> 00:26:34,070
And action,
it's a rehearsal.

477
00:26:35,768 --> 00:26:37,726
It's also strange
because you usually just meet,

478
00:26:37,770 --> 00:26:39,119
and there you are
touching each other

479
00:26:39,162 --> 00:26:40,642
and laying all over
each other.

480
00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:43,558
One, let's have
her on top now, roll over.

481
00:26:45,778 --> 00:26:47,083
That's great.

482
00:26:47,127 --> 00:26:47,954
Hold there.

483
00:26:48,868 --> 00:26:50,086
With rehearsal,

484
00:26:50,130 --> 00:26:52,088
we just kind of walk
through the steps.

485
00:26:52,132 --> 00:26:53,742
Okay,
now start over.

486
00:26:53,786 --> 00:26:56,353
Here's the position, or
now they're on the couch,

487
00:26:56,397 --> 00:26:58,007
or now you're sitting here.

488
00:26:58,051 --> 00:27:00,749
Go right, left up, down,
spin in a circle and land,

489
00:27:00,793 --> 00:27:02,272
and then the guy's gonna
yank your head back.

490
00:27:04,666 --> 00:27:05,928
You don't go to
school and learn

491
00:27:05,972 --> 00:27:09,715
how to, you know,
choreograph sex scenes.

492
00:27:09,758 --> 00:27:11,542
Cameras rolling.

493
00:27:11,586 --> 00:27:14,676
I was on set and
was working on a film

494
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,809
that required quite
a bit of nudity.

495
00:27:19,812 --> 00:27:24,294
The DP tried to sneakily and
very slowly move the camera

496
00:27:24,338 --> 00:27:28,081
so that it could shoot
the lower part of me nude

497
00:27:28,124 --> 00:27:29,517
as well as the upper part.

498
00:27:30,823 --> 00:27:33,390
Every day that I went
to work after that,

499
00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:35,566
I thought about, how
much had they shot

500
00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:37,046
that we hadn't caught?

501
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,661
Playing an intimate
scene with another partner,

502
00:27:43,705 --> 00:27:44,967
you know, is awkward,

503
00:27:45,011 --> 00:27:46,926
and not intimate at all,
and very disconnected.

504
00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:50,059
When I watched it,
the nakedness

505
00:27:50,103 --> 00:27:52,061
of my body being turned

506
00:27:52,105 --> 00:27:55,238
into an image for
anyone to see,

507
00:27:55,282 --> 00:27:58,677
suddenly I realized
my body wasn't mine.

508
00:28:02,768 --> 00:28:05,161
You're simulating sex,

509
00:28:05,205 --> 00:28:07,511
but there's only so much
simulating you can do.

510
00:28:07,555 --> 00:28:09,035
You can't simulate a kiss.

511
00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:10,819
You have to really
kiss someone,

512
00:28:10,863 --> 00:28:13,692
and you have to really
touch their naked body.

513
00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:15,563
Like I almost, when I
have had to do sex scenes,

514
00:28:15,606 --> 00:28:18,000
and I've done many, it's
almost like I go into

515
00:28:18,044 --> 00:28:19,132
a blackout,

516
00:28:19,175 --> 00:28:20,437
like I just have to
get it over with.

517
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,571
I wake up that morning
with so much dread.

518
00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:28,663
Oftentimes, I did
what I normally do

519
00:28:28,707 --> 00:28:30,230
when I get freaked out.

520
00:28:30,273 --> 00:28:32,711
I just kind of leave my body
and float up to the ceiling.

521
00:28:35,061 --> 00:28:38,064
My first tendency
is almost go numb to it

522
00:28:38,107 --> 00:28:39,718
because it's too intense.

523
00:28:40,588 --> 00:28:44,461
And yet, if I do that,
then I'm not present,

524
00:28:44,505 --> 00:28:46,768
and I'm not doing
the best work as an actor

525
00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:47,421
that I can do.

526
00:28:54,907 --> 00:28:59,912
With American puritanism,
it's hard to talk about sex.

527
00:29:00,826 --> 00:29:02,262
Sex is taboo.

528
00:29:03,263 --> 00:29:08,268
It is the realm of real
people in real bodies having

529
00:29:08,485 --> 00:29:10,749
relations with one another.

530
00:29:10,792 --> 00:29:14,709
That's not so comfortable
to the filmmakers.

531
00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:15,449
- Say mercy.
- No.

532
00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:16,493
- Come on.
- No.

533
00:29:16,798 --> 00:29:17,843
- Say mercy.
- No.

534
00:29:18,104 --> 00:29:19,975
The first sex
scene I ever did was

535
00:29:20,019 --> 00:29:21,629
on my first feature,
"D.E.B.S.,"

536
00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:23,500
and I was so nervous.

537
00:29:25,154 --> 00:29:29,463
Nobody feels comfortable
talking about sex, period.

538
00:29:29,506 --> 00:29:31,073
Nobody
feels comfortable

539
00:29:31,117 --> 00:29:32,205
saying they're uncomfortable.

540
00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:34,468
It's a moment of intimacy.

541
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:38,211
Trying to have, like,
a 10 minute conversation

542
00:29:38,254 --> 00:29:39,952
with a director or a
producer to be like,

543
00:29:39,995 --> 00:29:41,736
"So, you're are okay
with these things?"

544
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,564
check, check, check is not

545
00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:47,916
a very thorough way to
define your boundaries.

546
00:29:51,877 --> 00:29:55,489
There is so much shame
around the body,

547
00:29:55,532 --> 00:29:56,838
around desire.

548
00:29:58,448 --> 00:30:01,843
There are a lot of directors
who don't know how to talk

549
00:30:01,887 --> 00:30:05,238
about sex because it remains

550
00:30:05,281 --> 00:30:09,764
this forbidden
area of our lives.

551
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:22,821
Oh, God, oh, Jesus Christ.

552
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:26,476
The 1960s
and the early '70s were

553
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,783
the era of sexual revolution.

554
00:30:30,524 --> 00:30:32,178
Everything was changing,

555
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,446
and with the rise of hardcore
pornography on big screens,

556
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:43,885
the avant garde like
Andy Warhol's art films

557
00:30:43,929 --> 00:30:47,019
and the Europeans
leading the way,

558
00:30:47,367 --> 00:30:52,067
I think it just became
absurd for movies to pretend

559
00:30:52,111 --> 00:30:55,027
that the era of the code
was still operating.

560
00:30:56,028 --> 00:30:59,031
Mom. this is John.

561
00:31:03,992 --> 00:31:08,692
The world of
European sexual liberty-

562
00:31:08,997 --> 00:31:10,259
He is.

563
00:31:10,303 --> 00:31:13,654
and American prudery
sort of come together

564
00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:15,786
in the career of Jane Fonda.

565
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:17,919
Man, you sure
do look different.

566
00:31:17,963 --> 00:31:20,791
Oh, boy, you not only don't
talk much, you don't say much.

567
00:31:20,835 --> 00:31:22,576
In the first part of my career

568
00:31:22,619 --> 00:31:24,926
when I was playing
ingenue roles here

569
00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:26,406
in the United States,

570
00:31:26,449 --> 00:31:28,234
I was never asked to
take my clothes off.

571
00:31:28,277 --> 00:31:30,932
I mean, this was late
'50s, early '60s.

572
00:31:30,976 --> 00:31:34,544
It wasn't until I went
to France

573
00:31:34,588 --> 00:31:37,721
under the guidance
of Roger Vadim.

574
00:31:37,765 --> 00:31:41,029
I fell in love with him, and
I eventually married him.

575
00:31:41,073 --> 00:31:42,901
I knew what I was
getting into.

576
00:31:42,944 --> 00:31:45,164
He never made a movie where
women weren't undressed.

577
00:31:45,686 --> 00:31:47,601
So, I knew that was coming
along, and it did,

578
00:31:47,644 --> 00:31:48,776
and I did it.

579
00:31:56,697 --> 00:32:00,919
Roger promised me that
he would use the letters

580
00:32:00,962 --> 00:32:04,923
of the titles to cover
the important things,

581
00:32:07,621 --> 00:32:11,451
which was only
partly realized.

582
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:17,631
I was utterly terrified.

583
00:32:18,197 --> 00:32:19,067
I was 30.

584
00:32:19,111 --> 00:32:20,329
I should have known better,

585
00:32:21,461 --> 00:32:24,551
but I was at a
place in my life

586
00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:26,988
when, if you were
asked to do something,

587
00:32:27,032 --> 00:32:29,860
especially by a man,
you did it.

588
00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:38,869
I didn't know anything
about nudity clauses,

589
00:32:38,913 --> 00:32:41,046
and contracts, and all
those other things.

590
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,830
I just did what I was told,

591
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:48,967
and so I just got drunk
basically.

592
00:32:51,273 --> 00:32:54,798
Now, it was possible to
play with different rules,

593
00:32:55,712 --> 00:32:57,976
but the different
rules were not

594
00:32:58,846 --> 00:33:01,327
a whole lot different
from the old rules.

595
00:33:03,503 --> 00:33:06,027
I think these early films show

596
00:33:06,071 --> 00:33:11,032
how, for men, sex is a
very homosocial relation,

597
00:33:12,207 --> 00:33:14,993
whether it's Jon Voight
and Dustin Hoffman

598
00:33:15,036 --> 00:33:16,559
in "Midnight Cowboy,"

599
00:33:18,431 --> 00:33:21,042
or Art Garfunkel
and Jack Nicholson

600
00:33:21,086 --> 00:33:23,001
in "Carnal Knowledge."

601
00:33:23,044 --> 00:33:24,480
What do you say?

602
00:33:24,524 --> 00:33:27,527
What the man
is often doing is proving

603
00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:32,575
his virility to his
friends via a woman.

604
00:33:34,186 --> 00:33:38,146
Breasts were now completely
available for looking at,

605
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:43,717
but male frontal nudity
was really frowned on.

606
00:33:44,283 --> 00:33:47,025
Real portrayal of
romance and intimacy

607
00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:51,072
as it's practiced
in life weren't part

608
00:33:51,116 --> 00:33:54,380
of the American
cinematic lexicon

609
00:33:54,423 --> 00:33:57,731
for decades, and
decades, and decades.

610
00:33:59,994 --> 00:34:03,737
And suddenly, when censorship
lifted in the 1960s,

611
00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:07,349
we went from having
romance without sex

612
00:34:07,393 --> 00:34:09,482
to having sex without romance.

613
00:34:12,528 --> 00:34:17,533
Oh, yeah, wait, why don't
you turn out the lights?

614
00:34:21,537 --> 00:34:25,063
In the '70s so-called
blaxploitation films,

615
00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:30,068
you see a lot of sex, drugs,
lots of female nudity,

616
00:34:31,373 --> 00:34:33,506
and these different characters

617
00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:37,597
who were not Sidney
Poitier being accepted

618
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,555
into a white world.

619
00:34:41,122 --> 00:34:44,430
You have bad-ass heroes,
right, Black heroes.

620
00:34:48,738 --> 00:34:51,480
They spoke to the
Black Power movement

621
00:34:51,785 --> 00:34:53,395
and the Black
feminist movement.

622
00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:59,401
You want me to crawl,
white motherfucker?

623
00:34:59,445 --> 00:35:00,185
What are you doing?

624
00:35:00,228 --> 00:35:01,447
Put that down.

625
00:35:01,490 --> 00:35:04,667
You wanna spit on
me and make me crawl?

626
00:35:04,711 --> 00:35:06,278
The people loved
it.

627
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:09,368
We were breaking all
kinds of records.

628
00:35:10,978 --> 00:35:14,112
Black women
were, quote, "sex goddesses"

629
00:35:14,155 --> 00:35:15,765
for the very first time.

630
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:20,944
For our hue, it was new.

631
00:35:20,988 --> 00:35:25,166
How many love scenes did
you see of us in any movie

632
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:27,516
during that period
of the '60s and '70s?

633
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,387
None.

634
00:35:29,562 --> 00:35:30,824
But, of course,
there was controversy

635
00:35:30,867 --> 00:35:32,521
from the very beginning.

636
00:35:32,565 --> 00:35:33,522
Hey.

637
00:35:33,566 --> 00:35:35,263
There's harems
of women who are

638
00:35:35,307 --> 00:35:37,265
at the disposal of these men,

639
00:35:38,614 --> 00:35:43,750
which really highlighted
their sexual bodies,

640
00:35:45,708 --> 00:35:48,450
sort of an extreme
voyeuristic eroticism.

641
00:35:53,107 --> 00:35:56,023
♪ Live any let die

642
00:35:57,329 --> 00:35:58,678
Turn around slowly.

643
00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:01,333
Course,
you had Gloria Hendry,

644
00:36:01,376 --> 00:36:03,596
who was first Black
woman being a Bond girl.

645
00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:07,774
Oh, beautiful, brave,
and now resourceful.

646
00:36:07,817 --> 00:36:09,645
It was
really a watershed moment.

647
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:13,823
But the film only goes so far.

648
00:36:17,697 --> 00:36:19,829
I think that the
white people were scared

649
00:36:19,873 --> 00:36:22,919
of the repercussions
of their base,

650
00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:25,661
having a black actress
wind up with Bond.

651
00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,315
Oh, James.

652
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,453
She's killed, of course.

653
00:36:34,496 --> 00:36:37,717
A Black actress couldn't
possibly wind up with Bond.

654
00:36:57,302 --> 00:37:00,043
Out of 5,000 pairs
of legs, I was chosen,

655
00:37:01,088 --> 00:37:03,264
and I thought, "Wow, no
one's ever gonna know

656
00:37:03,308 --> 00:37:05,527
that it's me on the screen."

657
00:37:06,615 --> 00:37:08,313
It was just like a cattle
call, and they were like,

658
00:37:08,356 --> 00:37:09,227
"Your legs, yes.

659
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:10,053
Your legs, no.

660
00:37:10,097 --> 00:37:11,229
Your legs, maybe."

661
00:37:13,143 --> 00:37:15,233
Okay, let's
bring in the body double.

662
00:37:15,276 --> 00:37:16,582
Okay, good, stay
right in there.

663
00:37:16,625 --> 00:37:17,713
- Hi.
- Hi.

664
00:37:17,757 --> 00:37:19,149
I'm Mindy,
pleased to meet you.

665
00:37:19,193 --> 00:37:20,412
Nice to meet you.

666
00:37:20,455 --> 00:37:23,023
Our body is on the
film that you're seeing.

667
00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:27,897
You're there to make the
actress look perfect,

668
00:37:29,595 --> 00:37:34,643
perfect legs, perfect
breasts, perfect body.

669
00:37:34,687 --> 00:37:37,516
I think the public would
be shocked to find out

670
00:37:37,907 --> 00:37:40,519
how many hands aren't
really the hand

671
00:37:40,562 --> 00:37:43,435
of the talent or
the butt of the talent.

672
00:37:44,566 --> 00:37:49,136
Kim Basinger, Madonna,
Barbara Streisand.

673
00:37:49,702 --> 00:37:51,530
In "Pretty Woman," the
whole opening scene

674
00:37:51,573 --> 00:37:54,750
where she's getting dressed
to meet Richard Gear,

675
00:37:54,794 --> 00:37:55,925
that's my body.

676
00:37:58,145 --> 00:38:01,017
Body doubling is
really hush-hush.

677
00:38:03,368 --> 00:38:05,021
I was Janet
Lee's acting double

678
00:38:05,065 --> 00:38:06,762
in the shower scene
of "Psycho."

679
00:38:07,937 --> 00:38:09,199
You don't see her face.

680
00:38:09,243 --> 00:38:10,331
That's me.

681
00:38:13,552 --> 00:38:14,944
That's the back of my head,

682
00:38:14,988 --> 00:38:17,556
my hands, my arms,
my belly button.

683
00:38:24,214 --> 00:38:27,305
Janet Lee wrote her
biography, and she let on

684
00:38:27,348 --> 00:38:28,828
that she did the whole thing.

685
00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:32,310
Pissed me off

686
00:38:33,354 --> 00:38:35,182
that I wasn't recognized.

687
00:38:37,184 --> 00:38:41,493
In "Rising Sun," I was
the live body sushi plate.

688
00:38:45,235 --> 00:38:46,367
- Police.
- SWAT team was breaking

689
00:38:46,411 --> 00:38:47,107
through the window,
and I'm there nude

690
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:47,325
with the sushi on me,

691
00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:49,892
and I remember
looking away saying,

692
00:38:49,936 --> 00:38:52,199
"I'm not gonna get
cut by the glass."

693
00:38:53,418 --> 00:38:54,549
But if your a body double,

694
00:38:54,593 --> 00:38:55,985
they pull you out
like a chicken dinner.

695
00:38:56,029 --> 00:38:57,291
You're like, "Bring
out the breast,

696
00:38:57,335 --> 00:38:59,598
bring out the thighs,
bring out the leg."

697
00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:01,426
They just think, "Oh,
you're just there."

698
00:39:01,469 --> 00:39:03,123
You're just kind of not real.

699
00:39:12,698 --> 00:39:16,919
Somebody in the producing
department wants there

700
00:39:16,963 --> 00:39:19,008
to be less smile lines,

701
00:39:20,096 --> 00:39:22,055
so it aged her down slightly.

702
00:39:25,058 --> 00:39:27,800
My work consists of
visual effects, generally,

703
00:39:27,843 --> 00:39:31,151
but a lot of requests
I get from clients is

704
00:39:31,194 --> 00:39:32,500
to do beauty work.

705
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:37,897
She's got her little mole
here, just sample it

706
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,725
and erase it.

707
00:39:40,943 --> 00:39:44,556
Removing blemishes,
freckles, pubic hair,

708
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:47,733
slimming people up,
making 'em look younger.

709
00:39:48,603 --> 00:39:51,432
It was a heavily guarded
secret when it first came out.

710
00:39:51,476 --> 00:39:55,480
Now, most people on television
and film get it done.

711
00:40:05,272 --> 00:40:08,144
As far as making
somebody look younger,

712
00:40:08,188 --> 00:40:10,538
it's mostly a
request for women,

713
00:40:11,539 --> 00:40:14,934
cleaning up, like, bags under
the eyes or neck wrinkles.

714
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,068
I get asked to do face
replacements a lot,

715
00:40:19,112 --> 00:40:21,723
and usually, that has
to do with stunts.

716
00:40:21,767 --> 00:40:25,248
So, if there's a stunt double,
and their face is visible,

717
00:40:25,292 --> 00:40:27,381
then we put the actual
actor's face on the stunt.

718
00:40:27,816 --> 00:40:29,296
But they're
starting to do this

719
00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:30,993
more often for
beauty purposes,

720
00:40:31,037 --> 00:40:34,301
so you get a stunt
body or a body double.

721
00:40:36,259 --> 00:40:39,349
In "Game of Thrones," it
was somebody else's body,

722
00:40:39,393 --> 00:40:41,439
and her head was
literally stitched

723
00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:42,701
right on top of that body.

724
00:40:45,443 --> 00:40:47,706
There was a request that
came in from a client for me

725
00:40:47,749 --> 00:40:51,187
to remove a postnatal belly

726
00:40:51,971 --> 00:40:54,147
because this actress
had just given birth.

727
00:40:56,628 --> 00:41:00,109
So, that was just a
matter of taking her body,

728
00:41:00,153 --> 00:41:04,113
rotoing it out, cutting
it out, squeezing it,

729
00:41:04,157 --> 00:41:06,159
and then basically
putting it right back on

730
00:41:06,202 --> 00:41:07,377
and cleaning up the background

731
00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:08,988
wherever her belly
would've been.

732
00:41:11,338 --> 00:41:13,862
This is before,
and that's after.

733
00:41:15,385 --> 00:41:18,171
Actors and actresses buy
into it, and they persist it,

734
00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:21,174
and they ask for it
because they believe

735
00:41:21,217 --> 00:41:23,045
that this is important,
and this is needed,

736
00:41:23,089 --> 00:41:25,439
and that we need to
portray our best selves.

737
00:41:27,354 --> 00:41:29,225
We should all be looking
like China dolls.

738
00:41:29,269 --> 00:41:31,924
You know, we should all
have flawless faces.

739
00:41:32,838 --> 00:41:35,884
Whatever we do, we always
wanna look our very best.

740
00:41:38,365 --> 00:41:42,151
I don't respond to
ultra beauty in my life.

741
00:41:42,674 --> 00:41:46,329
I like flaws, and I like
to see natural people.

742
00:41:46,373 --> 00:41:48,810
I feel like I'm
part of the problem

743
00:41:48,854 --> 00:41:50,508
instead of the
solution for that.

744
00:41:55,861 --> 00:41:57,340
Dammit, it's Barbara McNeil.

745
00:41:57,384 --> 00:41:58,341
I can't see a thing.

746
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:01,519
In American movies,

747
00:42:01,562 --> 00:42:02,998
Mind if I join you?

748
00:42:03,042 --> 00:42:05,784
there has
always been limits

749
00:42:05,827 --> 00:42:08,221
to who's allowed to be sexual.

750
00:42:11,485 --> 00:42:14,575
I worked for a television
producer earlier in my career,

751
00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:18,361
who, when we were casting
day-player roles, said

752
00:42:18,405 --> 00:42:20,842
"There are no fat
women in my shows."

753
00:42:21,713 --> 00:42:23,497
And I remember, at
the time, going,

754
00:42:23,541 --> 00:42:26,587
"Wow, like, he's created
a whole universe,"

755
00:42:26,631 --> 00:42:30,373
and it's true, in his brand,
there are no fat women.

756
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:32,593
I'm fat.

757
00:42:32,637 --> 00:42:34,073
That's not a bad word.

758
00:42:34,116 --> 00:42:37,729
And I am fat naked and
in front of a lover, too.

759
00:42:38,643 --> 00:42:41,080
I only see that as a joke.

760
00:42:43,648 --> 00:42:45,040
I get it.

761
00:42:45,084 --> 00:42:46,738
You're self-conscious
about your body.

762
00:42:47,347 --> 00:42:50,306
Don't worry, I was gonna
shut the lights off anyway.

763
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:51,612
But then it causes
for us to be like,

764
00:42:51,656 --> 00:42:52,831
"Turn off the lights.

765
00:42:52,874 --> 00:42:54,049
Don't see me."

766
00:42:54,093 --> 00:42:56,574
What we see on
the screen affects

767
00:42:56,617 --> 00:42:58,967
what you take into
the bedroom.

768
00:42:59,011 --> 00:43:01,100
You're cool with going
out the back again, right?

769
00:43:01,143 --> 00:43:01,970
Um.

770
00:43:03,668 --> 00:43:06,932
It is very few, very few,

771
00:43:07,541 --> 00:43:12,633
extremely rare, and far
between to see people

772
00:43:12,677 --> 00:43:15,767
with disabilities in
sexual situations.

773
00:43:17,507 --> 00:43:21,729
So, people don't genuinely
think that it exists.

774
00:43:22,121 --> 00:43:25,907
I don't want you to
miss all the things

775
00:43:25,951 --> 00:43:27,474
that someone else
could give you.

776
00:43:27,648 --> 00:43:28,780
Luisa.

777
00:43:31,652 --> 00:43:33,045
I once told my manager,

778
00:43:33,088 --> 00:43:35,787
"I'm not gonna play
anybody in a hospital.

779
00:43:35,830 --> 00:43:38,746
I'm not gonna play
anymore lawyers

780
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:41,488
or desexualized trans people,

781
00:43:41,531 --> 00:43:43,403
and I'm not gonna play anyone

782
00:43:43,446 --> 00:43:45,013
who visits anybody
in a hospital,"

783
00:43:45,057 --> 00:43:46,667
and I didn't work
for two years.

784
00:43:47,799 --> 00:43:49,714
So, if I keep
taking the hormones.

785
00:43:49,757 --> 00:43:51,498
You'd be feeding the cancer.

786
00:43:51,541 --> 00:43:55,371
Are you saying, if I
become a woman, I could die?

787
00:43:56,503 --> 00:43:59,724
In Hollywood, exclusion
is part of the story.

788
00:44:01,726 --> 00:44:02,683
Hey, try this.

789
00:44:03,162 --> 00:44:04,946
When
I was a teenager,

790
00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:07,993
there wasn't that much
queer representation at all.

791
00:44:08,036 --> 00:44:09,647
So, what do you think?

792
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:12,127
You'd, like, scour
the video store

793
00:44:12,171 --> 00:44:16,131
for, like, obtuse glances
between women on video boxes.

794
00:44:18,525 --> 00:44:21,746
In the "Color Purple,"
these women love each other.

795
00:44:21,789 --> 00:44:23,051
They see each other sexually,

796
00:44:23,095 --> 00:44:27,273
but doesn't go full
on into sex scenes.

797
00:44:33,714 --> 00:44:35,629
You two
have met, haven't you?

798
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:39,372
Or, it's about some
weird male fantasy spectacle.

799
00:44:42,114 --> 00:44:43,637
And we have to
remember the sensors are

800
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:46,771
white, cisgender,
heteronormative men

801
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:49,904
who said, "Look, if
you're gonna do this,

802
00:44:49,948 --> 00:44:53,778
if you're gonna be naked, we
wanna see two women together

803
00:44:53,821 --> 00:44:54,866
'cause that's art."

804
00:44:56,215 --> 00:44:57,695
Right?

805
00:44:57,738 --> 00:44:58,913
Penises are pornography.

806
00:44:58,957 --> 00:44:59,958
Tits are art.

807
00:45:14,276 --> 00:45:15,321
Film has been

808
00:45:16,626 --> 00:45:19,717
men showing other
men what they see.

809
00:45:21,457 --> 00:45:23,633
What is visual pleasure?

810
00:45:30,466 --> 00:45:33,339
It's not actually about
watching two other people.

811
00:45:33,382 --> 00:45:35,123
All it is is about
the male fantasy.

812
00:45:37,952 --> 00:45:42,827
I don't know anything that
I saw growing up that told me

813
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:45,307
that I could have the agenda

814
00:45:45,351 --> 00:45:47,222
of being the one who
wanted the pleasure.

815
00:45:50,095 --> 00:45:54,142
Nobody actually tells a
woman that, when she has sex,

816
00:45:54,186 --> 00:45:55,578
you know, there is a space

817
00:45:55,622 --> 00:45:57,232
where she gets to
have the pleasure.

818
00:45:57,798 --> 00:46:00,061
She's not the one
just giving pleasure.

819
00:46:01,671 --> 00:46:04,674
How women are satisfied,
what that looks like,

820
00:46:04,718 --> 00:46:07,895
how that works in real life,

821
00:46:07,939 --> 00:46:09,984
like, it's still a mystery,
I think, to so many people.

822
00:46:19,994 --> 00:46:21,039
Tell me
what you think.

823
00:46:24,694 --> 00:46:25,652
Honestly?

824
00:46:26,914 --> 00:46:28,307
Think about all the movies

825
00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:29,787
where men would be having
an important conversation-

826
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:32,398
Here's to old friends.

827
00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:33,834
and hot women would just
be sitting at the table

828
00:46:33,878 --> 00:46:35,183
while it's happening just,
like,

829
00:46:35,227 --> 00:46:37,664
kind of just there
as decoration.

830
00:46:38,099 --> 00:46:39,797
This round's on me.

831
00:46:40,058 --> 00:46:42,538
The way in
which women can just be

832
00:46:42,582 --> 00:46:46,064
kind of present but
unnecessary.

833
00:46:47,543 --> 00:46:51,286
You be the man,
and you be the woman.

834
00:46:51,330 --> 00:46:53,332
You had to cast
those two girls,

835
00:46:53,375 --> 00:46:57,249
and they had to sit there
fake fucking all day,

836
00:46:57,292 --> 00:46:59,686
and it's kind of
a bummer.

837
00:47:00,165 --> 00:47:03,690
I think it really does
damage to girls in particular.

838
00:47:03,733 --> 00:47:07,868
That's what bothers me,
girls feeling that they have

839
00:47:07,912 --> 00:47:11,132
to behave a certain way
and look a certain way.

840
00:47:13,918 --> 00:47:16,703
Without even consciously
realizing it,

841
00:47:16,746 --> 00:47:19,358
they will just assume
that they are less than.

842
00:47:20,707 --> 00:47:23,188
That they don't
quite count as much.

843
00:47:25,712 --> 00:47:30,195
The more that we
perpetuate and condone women

844
00:47:30,238 --> 00:47:32,545
as being merely sex objects,

845
00:47:32,588 --> 00:47:35,678
the more readily boys
grow into men thinking

846
00:47:35,722 --> 00:47:37,680
that that's how women
wanna be treated.

847
00:47:38,681 --> 00:47:40,770
It's in every movie and TV
show they've ever watched.

848
00:48:10,888 --> 00:48:13,586
Actors who are starting
out are used in these films

849
00:48:13,629 --> 00:48:15,370
that ask for nudity
and sex scenes

850
00:48:15,414 --> 00:48:18,199
because they don't know how
to advocate for themselves,

851
00:48:18,243 --> 00:48:20,680
or they don't have the power
to advocate for themselves.

852
00:48:20,723 --> 00:48:23,857
An A-list actor who's
asked to do a nude scene,

853
00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:25,903
they can have a body double.

854
00:48:25,946 --> 00:48:27,774
They get to say, "The
light has to be dim,

855
00:48:27,817 --> 00:48:29,907
and the actor can only
touch me from here to here."

856
00:48:29,950 --> 00:48:32,866
It's like I have never had

857
00:48:32,910 --> 00:48:36,391
that much
protection in a film,

858
00:48:36,435 --> 00:48:38,089
but I've done nudity a lot.

859
00:48:38,132 --> 00:48:40,265
Like, I've
done sex scenes a lot.

860
00:48:40,308 --> 00:48:41,962
It's like, "Oh, you
have to pay your dues,

861
00:48:42,006 --> 00:48:43,746
and you just have to
be grateful

862
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:44,922
that you're here at all."

863
00:48:51,319 --> 00:48:53,278
I'm not some great,
fabulous beauty.

864
00:48:53,321 --> 00:48:55,367
When I walk into a room,
people don't turn around

865
00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:56,411
and go, like,
"Who's that girl?

866
00:48:56,455 --> 00:48:57,325
Put her in the picture."

867
00:48:59,545 --> 00:49:02,940
I started taking classes at
James Franco's acting school.

868
00:49:03,592 --> 00:49:07,292
When James took a chance
on me, I was so grateful.

869
00:49:11,818 --> 00:49:15,082
The way that I got hired
for "The Long Home" was

870
00:49:15,126 --> 00:49:17,606
by getting a text
message from James.

871
00:49:17,650 --> 00:49:18,564
He said,

872
00:49:18,607 --> 00:49:19,957
"I want you to be in my movie.

873
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,567
Nudity will be required.

874
00:49:21,610 --> 00:49:22,611
You're playing a prostitute.

875
00:49:22,655 --> 00:49:23,786
Do you wanna do it?"

876
00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:25,745
And I said,

877
00:49:25,788 --> 00:49:28,095
"Absolutely, like, no
questions asked, yes."

878
00:49:34,536 --> 00:49:37,148
Hey, Candy, they want you.

879
00:49:39,628 --> 00:49:42,327
And then, things started to
sort of get a little tricky

880
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:45,417
because there were some scenes
that were added that weren't

881
00:49:45,460 --> 00:49:47,636
in the script that
required nudity,

882
00:49:49,508 --> 00:49:50,988
and one actress
didn't wanna do it.

883
00:49:54,513 --> 00:49:56,602
The next thing I know,
she's on a plane back to LA,

884
00:49:56,645 --> 00:49:58,212
and she's not in the movie.

885
00:49:58,256 --> 00:50:01,476
And I realized, if I
do something like that,

886
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,043
if I say, "I'm
uncomfortable with this,

887
00:50:03,087 --> 00:50:05,480
I don't wanna do this,"
I'll lose my job.

888
00:50:12,444 --> 00:50:13,836
Sarah Scott
is an actress

889
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,664
whose most recent work
includes

890
00:50:15,708 --> 00:50:18,493
an appearance on the Seth
McFarland show "The Orville,"

891
00:50:18,537 --> 00:50:20,017
and she played Courtney Love
in the film

892
00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:21,061
"Soaked in Bleach."

893
00:50:21,105 --> 00:50:22,236
Thank you for
having the courage

894
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,759
to come in and talk to us.

895
00:50:24,543 --> 00:50:27,285
This is an incident that
happened in May of '18, 2018.

896
00:50:27,328 --> 00:50:30,288
Mm-hmm, it's an
independent TV pilot.

897
00:50:30,331 --> 00:50:32,377
It was the last
scene of the day.

898
00:50:37,425 --> 00:50:39,601
I remember being
really cold that night

899
00:50:39,645 --> 00:50:41,690
and made mention of it.

900
00:50:43,649 --> 00:50:45,694
My scene partner
cuddled up to me

901
00:50:45,738 --> 00:50:47,348
and said he would
keep me warm.

902
00:50:49,133 --> 00:50:51,265
Knowing that we were
about to start kissing,

903
00:50:51,309 --> 00:50:52,658
I just kind of went with that.

904
00:50:52,701 --> 00:50:53,963
That was fine.

905
00:50:54,007 --> 00:50:56,923
He cuddled up to me, and
didn't think much of it.

906
00:50:59,926 --> 00:51:03,582
At that point, he took
my hand under the covers

907
00:51:03,625 --> 00:51:07,934
and brought it over
to his erection.

908
00:51:19,163 --> 00:51:20,555
I pulled my hand back

909
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:22,383
and looked back over my
shoulder, like,

910
00:51:22,427 --> 00:51:23,167
"What the fuck?"

911
00:51:23,602 --> 00:51:25,082
And he just said, "Sorry."

912
00:51:29,782 --> 00:51:31,218
I've thought a lot about this.

913
00:51:31,871 --> 00:51:33,133
I'm not upset with myself

914
00:51:33,177 --> 00:51:34,743
that I didn't do
something in the moment.

915
00:51:34,787 --> 00:51:37,137
I'm very well aware
that that's very common.

916
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:41,750
A lot of the women I've spoken
to don't ever say anything,

917
00:51:41,794 --> 00:51:46,320
and I think being in a
professional setting,

918
00:51:46,364 --> 00:51:48,540
I also just wanted
to be a professional

919
00:51:48,583 --> 00:51:50,846
and keep going and
finish the day off.

920
00:51:50,890 --> 00:51:52,283
Cut, terrific.

921
00:51:56,983 --> 00:52:00,813
And so, after the
day had wrapped up,

922
00:52:00,856 --> 00:52:03,250
and I was getting ready
to leave for the night,

923
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:07,254
my co-star walks
through my dressing room

924
00:52:07,298 --> 00:52:10,649
and starts telling me
that he's got a hard on.

925
00:52:10,692 --> 00:52:12,651
He's gotta go jerk
off in the bathroom.

926
00:52:13,347 --> 00:52:16,263
When I turned around, he
had taken out his penis

927
00:52:16,307 --> 00:52:18,657
and started to masturbate
in front of me,

928
00:52:18,700 --> 00:52:19,658
two feet in front of me,

929
00:52:20,311 --> 00:52:21,442
and that's when I left.

930
00:52:22,791 --> 00:52:25,664
So, he did, however,
in the "LA Times," give

931
00:52:25,707 --> 00:52:27,970
a statement saying that
he was apologizing.

932
00:52:28,014 --> 00:52:30,451
He said he admitted
that he had put

933
00:52:30,495 --> 00:52:32,584
your hand on his penis
during a sex scene,

934
00:52:32,627 --> 00:52:35,021
but he said you were
sexually aggressive.

935
00:52:36,414 --> 00:52:40,505
It was really disturbing
to see what a convincing case

936
00:52:41,636 --> 00:52:45,031
he made in playing
this sort of doe-eyed,

937
00:52:45,074 --> 00:52:47,773
innocent, embarrassed,

938
00:52:47,816 --> 00:52:50,210
"Oops, you know, I
misread the situation,"

939
00:52:51,037 --> 00:52:52,169
and then even used the words

940
00:52:53,561 --> 00:52:54,867
that, "I just mistook this
for a perk of our jobs."

941
00:52:55,563 --> 00:52:59,306
It just became so clear
to me that I was dealing

942
00:52:59,350 --> 00:53:02,353
with someone who
was a a predator.

943
00:53:06,270 --> 00:53:10,056
I've been a proud union
member for over 15 years.

944
00:53:10,099 --> 00:53:12,754
That's how
I have my health insurance

945
00:53:12,798 --> 00:53:13,973
and support my family.

946
00:53:14,626 --> 00:53:17,063
So, the way that I
see myself is

947
00:53:17,106 --> 00:53:19,457
that I'm kind of a
blue-collar working actor.

948
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:25,376
Okay, ladies, I
wanna see ya dance,

949
00:53:25,419 --> 00:53:26,942
and I wanna see ya smile.

950
00:53:29,728 --> 00:53:30,468
And you.

951
00:53:31,730 --> 00:53:32,339
I started to get this
feeling like I was

952
00:53:32,383 --> 00:53:33,340
the first actress

953
00:53:33,384 --> 00:53:35,429
to ever call the
union and say,

954
00:53:35,473 --> 00:53:38,127
"Hey, I've been sexually
violated at work."

955
00:53:39,259 --> 00:53:40,521
It's interesting because

956
00:53:40,565 --> 00:53:42,654
the SAG-AFTRA
basic agreement is

957
00:53:42,697 --> 00:53:45,396
800 pages or
something like that,

958
00:53:45,439 --> 00:53:47,702
and nudity is, like, a page,

959
00:53:47,746 --> 00:53:48,529
if that.
Hmm.

960
00:53:48,573 --> 00:53:49,400
It's like-

961
00:53:49,443 --> 00:53:50,444
- Yeah.
- Wow.

962
00:53:50,488 --> 00:53:51,228
It's, like, I
literally have it-

963
00:53:51,271 --> 00:53:52,577
- Wow.
- Right here on,

964
00:53:52,620 --> 00:53:53,534
it's half a page.

965
00:53:53,578 --> 00:53:54,883
It's this.
Wow.

966
00:53:54,927 --> 00:53:56,276
And sexual harassment is

967
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,235
not mentioned in 800 pages.

968
00:53:58,278 --> 00:53:59,061
- Really?
- Yeah.

969
00:53:59,105 --> 00:54:00,062
Mm-hmm.

970
00:54:00,106 --> 00:54:00,715
- Yeah
- Interesting.

971
00:54:00,759 --> 00:54:01,977
- Yeah.
- Hmm.

972
00:54:02,021 --> 00:54:03,283
The situations, like,
that I've been in,

973
00:54:03,327 --> 00:54:04,589
I think that, like, the
gentleman, you know,

974
00:54:04,632 --> 00:54:05,894
whatever happened, it
wouldn't have happened

975
00:54:05,938 --> 00:54:09,594
had I been more famous or
more powerful than than he.

976
00:54:11,291 --> 00:54:15,643
I was told by someone in the
legal department verbatim

977
00:54:15,687 --> 00:54:19,647
that, quote, I "probably
wouldn't be satisfied

978
00:54:20,605 --> 00:54:22,650
with the result of
the hearing."

979
00:54:22,694 --> 00:54:26,263
And I interpreted
that as basically

980
00:54:26,306 --> 00:54:27,568
nothing's gonna happen.

981
00:54:31,398 --> 00:54:34,140
When the "LA Times"
article came out,

982
00:54:34,183 --> 00:54:39,014
a lot of actresses reached
out to me just telling me,

983
00:54:40,581 --> 00:54:42,453
you know,
how proud they were

984
00:54:42,496 --> 00:54:43,323
and how,

985
00:54:46,587 --> 00:54:49,286
how many actresses had
similar experiences

986
00:54:49,329 --> 00:54:50,548
but never said anything,

987
00:54:52,593 --> 00:54:54,160
and that made my stomach turn,

988
00:54:54,203 --> 00:54:57,337
just the realization that this
is such a widespread problem

989
00:54:58,686 --> 00:54:59,644
in this industry.

990
00:55:13,353 --> 00:55:15,877
What does it mean
for boys and girls

991
00:55:15,921 --> 00:55:18,445
to grow up in a culture
where they see men

992
00:55:18,489 --> 00:55:21,187
being aggressive in
film to get the girl?

993
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:24,669
They pull women into
these passionate kisses.

994
00:55:26,148 --> 00:55:27,628
Stop it.

995
00:55:27,889 --> 00:55:30,457
Maybe she resists a little
bit, like, right at first,

996
00:55:30,501 --> 00:55:32,677
but he can kiss her
into submission.

997
00:55:38,813 --> 00:55:40,467
Wait a minute,
wait a minute.

998
00:55:44,428 --> 00:55:46,386
Now that's
a really common scene.

999
00:55:55,526 --> 00:55:56,744
Hollywood
certainly knows

1000
00:55:56,788 --> 00:55:59,181
how to do violence
very, very well,

1001
00:56:00,444 --> 00:56:02,881
much better than it
knows how to do sex.

1002
00:56:05,013 --> 00:56:08,408
When sex and violence
come together, it's rape.

1003
00:56:09,757 --> 00:56:11,498
No, no.

1004
00:56:12,456 --> 00:56:14,632
There's so many
rape scenes in movies

1005
00:56:14,675 --> 00:56:16,373
because a lot of
times, you know,

1006
00:56:16,416 --> 00:56:18,157
scripts are written,
and they imagine

1007
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,724
that this is the only way

1008
00:56:19,767 --> 00:56:22,727
a female character can get
strong is if she's raped

1009
00:56:22,770 --> 00:56:25,469
for no apparent reason
other than they think

1010
00:56:25,512 --> 00:56:27,819
something bad needs to happen
to her so she can rise up

1011
00:56:27,862 --> 00:56:30,082
and go murder all the
people in revenge.

1012
00:56:33,694 --> 00:56:35,479
What kind of message
does that send out?

1013
00:56:36,567 --> 00:56:38,177
My name is Buck,

1014
00:56:38,220 --> 00:56:41,528
and I'm here to fuck.

1015
00:56:41,572 --> 00:56:45,706
Your name is Buck, and
you came here to fuck.

1016
00:56:46,533 --> 00:56:47,360
Right?

1017
00:56:47,404 --> 00:56:49,231
Wait a minute, wait.

1018
00:56:51,059 --> 00:56:52,278
There's some hatred
for women going on

1019
00:56:52,321 --> 00:56:55,063
when you have to brutalize
people, you know,

1020
00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:57,196
and treat them as
subhuman but then

1021
00:56:57,501 --> 00:57:00,155
get the glory that you create
strong female characters.

1022
00:57:00,504 --> 00:57:02,070
That's not strong women.

1023
00:57:02,114 --> 00:57:03,768
Those are brutalized
women that have to survive --

1024
00:57:08,294 --> 00:57:09,730
and look good while doing so.

1025
00:57:16,171 --> 00:57:17,564
In the age of the Internet,

1026
00:57:17,608 --> 00:57:19,697
actors have to make
these decision of,

1027
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:23,178
"If I'm nude, it's
going to get GIF'd

1028
00:57:23,222 --> 00:57:26,268
and played on a loop."

1029
00:57:26,312 --> 00:57:28,140
You can't regulate
that anymore.

1030
00:57:32,927 --> 00:57:37,149
The nudity will get repurposed
to do all sorts of things.

1031
00:57:37,192 --> 00:57:39,456
They'll put other
people's faces on.

1032
00:57:43,634 --> 00:57:45,462
It's kind of not what
they signed up for.

1033
00:57:47,855 --> 00:57:50,162
You have to literally
go and fight them

1034
00:57:50,205 --> 00:57:53,034
on every single website
these things appear on,

1035
00:57:53,078 --> 00:57:54,514
and even if you win,

1036
00:57:54,558 --> 00:57:56,821
the next day, it shows up
on a different website.

1037
00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:01,260
The producer basically
responded by saying,

1038
00:58:01,303 --> 00:58:02,261
"This is just what happens.

1039
00:58:02,304 --> 00:58:03,828
This is part of
being an actor."

1040
00:58:08,223 --> 00:58:10,138
When "Jennifer's
Body" was coming out,

1041
00:58:10,182 --> 00:58:12,706
we were at a new point
where we were seeing

1042
00:58:12,750 --> 00:58:17,755
how social media can be used
as a tool to shape perception.

1043
00:58:19,974 --> 00:58:24,109
In the film, I wanted
to comment on the tropes

1044
00:58:24,152 --> 00:58:27,765
around how we look at
girls and women's bodies

1045
00:58:27,808 --> 00:58:29,723
looking back at late '70s,

1046
00:58:29,767 --> 00:58:32,291
early '80s horror slasher films.

1047
00:58:32,334 --> 00:58:35,250
But what that requires
is using the tropes.

1048
00:58:38,166 --> 00:58:42,693
There was a decision on
the part of the studio,

1049
00:58:43,868 --> 00:58:46,914
I think, to market
the film to young boys

1050
00:58:46,958 --> 00:58:49,177
as opposed to young women

1051
00:58:50,570 --> 00:58:53,312
as if to promise
something with Megan Fox

1052
00:58:53,355 --> 00:58:54,879
that they were
never gonna get.

1053
00:58:58,404 --> 00:59:00,232
I was shocked by the reaction

1054
00:59:00,275 --> 00:59:01,929
and the way social
media kind of worked

1055
00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:04,453
so quickly against the film.

1056
00:59:21,427 --> 00:59:24,561
There was so much
adolescent angst

1057
00:59:24,604 --> 00:59:28,390
about some lack
of male relevance

1058
00:59:30,175 --> 00:59:32,264
and I think, since
then, we've seen

1059
00:59:32,307 --> 00:59:35,876
how much warfare is
waged against women

1060
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,923
by using their
bodies against them.

1061
00:59:43,057 --> 00:59:47,584
Now, uh, pull your dress
up and let me see your legs.

1062
00:59:49,063 --> 00:59:52,719
The Hollywood machine is
something to be survived.

1063
00:59:56,244 --> 00:59:58,420
Turn around a second.

1064
00:59:58,464 --> 00:59:59,378
Something wrong?

1065
01:00:00,771 --> 01:00:03,556
Matter of fact, everything
is very, very right.

1066
01:00:04,818 --> 01:00:08,517
It's very common
to go to hotel rooms

1067
01:00:08,561 --> 01:00:09,954
and to be asked to audition.

1068
01:00:13,218 --> 01:00:15,916
That was kind of a thing
back when I started.

1069
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:16,743
He's ready for you.

1070
01:00:16,787 --> 01:00:17,614
Thank you.

1071
01:00:20,747 --> 01:00:22,096
I was raised to believe

1072
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:23,620
that you never wanted

1073
01:00:23,663 --> 01:00:25,012
to make a man uncomfortable.

1074
01:00:26,666 --> 01:00:27,580
You didn't wanna make

1075
01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:28,712
him feel like

1076
01:00:28,755 --> 01:00:30,148
he had done something wrong.

1077
01:00:31,453 --> 01:00:32,280
He grabbed me,

1078
01:00:35,457 --> 01:00:36,328
tried to kiss me.

1079
01:00:37,982 --> 01:00:41,159
So, if he advances on
you, you know, your thing is

1080
01:00:41,202 --> 01:00:44,945
to kind of giggle and ease
yourself out of there.

1081
01:00:46,991 --> 01:00:49,689
After I got blacklisted,
I started being harassed

1082
01:00:49,733 --> 01:00:53,475
behind the scenes
by my monster.

1083
01:00:54,694 --> 01:00:58,742
He, he has
detectives on staff.

1084
01:01:05,183 --> 01:01:08,316
Harvey Weinstein
is not the only one.

1085
01:01:09,796 --> 01:01:11,885
We have situations now where

1086
01:01:12,886 --> 01:01:14,148
it's taken a while for a client

1087
01:01:14,192 --> 01:01:16,368
to be willing to come
out against somebody,

1088
01:01:17,543 --> 01:01:21,547
and you know, the
studio makes excuses.

1089
01:01:22,983 --> 01:01:24,768
I can file a complaint for
you if that's what you want,

1090
01:01:24,811 --> 01:01:28,859
but I think you know
how it would come off.

1091
01:01:29,686 --> 01:01:32,297
You see all the people that
protect Harvey, this predator,

1092
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:35,517
and the many, many predators
there are in this town

1093
01:01:35,561 --> 01:01:39,217
that are very big
guys in the business.

1094
01:01:40,522 --> 01:01:42,176
There
are so many other men.

1095
01:01:43,177 --> 01:01:44,396
They're not Harvey Weinsteins,

1096
01:01:44,439 --> 01:01:45,702
but I don't wanna wait

1097
01:01:45,745 --> 01:01:47,094
until these people are
all Harvey Weinstein.

1098
01:01:47,138 --> 01:01:50,402
I want them to
stop doing it now.

1099
01:01:50,445 --> 01:01:51,359
Dorothy, please.

1100
01:01:51,403 --> 01:01:52,447
Look, I want you.

1101
01:01:52,491 --> 01:01:54,623
Men feel entitled-

1102
01:01:56,190 --> 01:01:57,539
You probably just
wanna try to do.

1103
01:01:57,583 --> 01:01:59,106
Okay.

1104
01:01:59,150 --> 01:02:01,761
by a lot of stuff that's
rolling around in their heads

1105
01:02:01,805 --> 01:02:03,763
that has sexualized women

1106
01:02:03,807 --> 01:02:06,331
and embraced them as sexual
commodities to the extent

1107
01:02:06,374 --> 01:02:08,637
that they feel
comfortable doing that.

1108
01:02:10,074 --> 01:02:11,858
If you're wearing
something, please get naked.

1109
01:02:11,902 --> 01:02:13,207
I believe in only
two things,

1110
01:02:13,251 --> 01:02:14,861
the First Amendment and boobs.

1111
01:02:14,905 --> 01:02:16,602
She needs to drop a few.

1112
01:02:16,645 --> 01:02:17,734
What do you
think about this?

1113
01:02:17,777 --> 01:02:18,909
Gretchen's beautiful.

1114
01:02:18,952 --> 01:02:19,866
Ooh, beautiful,
you look beautiful.

1115
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:21,085
I love the women's movement,

1116
01:02:21,128 --> 01:02:22,434
especially when
walking behind it.

1117
01:02:22,477 --> 01:02:24,088
You know, when you're
sold as a sex symbol,

1118
01:02:24,131 --> 01:02:26,264
it's like the message that men
out there in the world get is

1119
01:02:26,307 --> 01:02:30,050
that they can all touch
you and that they own you.

1120
01:02:30,094 --> 01:02:31,356
It makes her a slut, right?

1121
01:02:31,399 --> 01:02:33,880
He began running
his hands over my body

1122
01:02:33,924 --> 01:02:36,230
and grinding into me.

1123
01:02:36,274 --> 01:02:37,841
Because
you've turned them.

1124
01:02:37,884 --> 01:02:38,842
Nice, nice.

1125
01:02:38,885 --> 01:02:40,234
You've
made them do it.

1126
01:02:40,931 --> 01:02:42,106
You can do anything.

1127
01:02:42,149 --> 01:02:43,281
Whatever you want.

1128
01:02:43,324 --> 01:02:44,586
Grab
'em by the pussy.

1129
01:02:45,762 --> 01:02:46,501
- Oh.
- You can do anything.

1130
01:02:46,545 --> 01:02:47,154
Yes.

1131
01:02:48,765 --> 01:02:51,115
It really didn't feel that
there was a system in place

1132
01:02:51,158 --> 01:02:53,334
for this kind of a complaint.

1133
01:02:53,378 --> 01:02:56,076
How sure
can this committee be

1134
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,600
on the accuracy of
your statements?

1135
01:02:59,906 --> 01:03:01,647
What you wanna do is
destroy this guy's life.

1136
01:03:02,909 --> 01:03:04,824
Are you interested
in writing a book?

1137
01:03:05,825 --> 01:03:07,087
Nobody has made amends.

1138
01:03:07,958 --> 01:03:09,089
Shame.

1139
01:03:09,133 --> 01:03:10,569
Nobody has apologized.

1140
01:03:10,612 --> 01:03:12,092
Nobody has taken ownership-
Whore, whore.

1141
01:03:12,136 --> 01:03:14,312
of
having done this to us.

1142
01:03:16,183 --> 01:03:17,402
Categorically

1143
01:03:17,445 --> 01:03:19,447
and unequivocally
deny the allegation

1144
01:03:19,491 --> 01:03:20,927
against me by Dr. Ford.

1145
01:03:20,971 --> 01:03:23,800
I have not been guilty
of sexual misconduct.

1146
01:03:23,843 --> 01:03:25,497
The allegation is
completely false.

1147
01:03:26,933 --> 01:03:28,065
These allegations are false.

1148
01:03:28,108 --> 01:03:29,066
It's just not true.

1149
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:30,458
Not true.

1150
01:03:31,982 --> 01:03:33,461
It can't
just be on our shoulders,

1151
01:03:33,505 --> 01:03:36,987
and we can't continue to
be gaslit by these people.

1152
01:03:37,030 --> 01:03:40,033
We're made to feel like we're
crazy for being uncomfortable.

1153
01:03:40,991 --> 01:03:42,122
No, no.

1154
01:03:42,166 --> 01:03:43,341
- Nasty one.
- I undressed her.

1155
01:03:43,384 --> 01:03:44,559
- Where things go.
- In fact, he never did.

1156
01:03:44,603 --> 01:03:45,212
He would
sit here and watch it.

1157
01:03:45,256 --> 01:03:46,431
I have no idea

1158
01:03:46,474 --> 01:03:47,345
who this woman is.
It is today.

1159
01:03:47,388 --> 01:03:48,650
Are you a scorned woman?

1160
01:03:53,481 --> 01:03:54,439
All right, you
guys ready to move

1161
01:03:54,482 --> 01:03:56,441
into a little bit
of rehearsal?

1162
01:03:56,484 --> 01:03:58,269
You're gonna be
taking off her shirt.

1163
01:03:58,312 --> 01:03:59,618
- Okay.
- And from what I understand,

1164
01:03:59,661 --> 01:04:00,749
it's a pretty wide neck,

1165
01:04:00,793 --> 01:04:02,099
- Yeah.
- so you shouldn't have

1166
01:04:02,142 --> 01:04:04,884
any issue just coming
up and pulling it over-

1167
01:04:04,928 --> 01:04:06,668
- Mm-hmm.
- Jennifer's head, yeah.

1168
01:04:06,712 --> 01:04:09,149
And then, as we discussed,
you will take your bra off.

1169
01:04:09,193 --> 01:04:10,194
Mm-hmm.

1170
01:04:10,237 --> 01:04:11,673
- You know, you can-
- Yeah.

1171
01:04:11,717 --> 01:04:12,979
position yourself on
the edge of the bed here.

1172
01:04:13,023 --> 01:04:13,980
- Yep.
- Right.

1173
01:04:14,024 --> 01:04:15,895
Maybe you could
place Dan's hand

1174
01:04:15,939 --> 01:04:16,722
somewhere on-
Yeah.

1175
01:04:16,765 --> 01:04:17,984
your upper inner thigh

1176
01:04:18,028 --> 01:04:19,333
on the left leg.
So, like, maybe right here-

1177
01:04:19,377 --> 01:04:20,726
- There?
- would be fine.

1178
01:04:20,769 --> 01:04:22,162
And then here.

1179
01:04:22,206 --> 01:04:23,120
Yeah.

1180
01:04:24,338 --> 01:04:26,253
Okay, move your
head a little bit.

1181
01:04:26,297 --> 01:04:30,867
And you can cheat it so that
your head is not so turned.

1182
01:04:30,910 --> 01:04:31,824
Yeah.

1183
01:04:31,868 --> 01:04:32,912
And then I'll rest it

1184
01:04:32,956 --> 01:04:34,044
right here.
and I'll be like this.

1185
01:04:34,087 --> 01:04:35,349
- Great.
- Mm-hmm.

1186
01:04:35,393 --> 01:04:36,524
Love to see you
touching his head,

1187
01:04:36,568 --> 01:04:38,004
tugging on his hair a little.

1188
01:04:38,048 --> 01:04:38,918
Okay.

1189
01:04:40,354 --> 01:04:41,703
How does
that feel for both of you?

1190
01:04:41,747 --> 01:04:42,748
- I'm fine.
- Yeah.

1191
01:04:42,791 --> 01:04:43,575
Okay.

1192
01:04:43,618 --> 01:04:45,098
Okay, great.

1193
01:04:52,410 --> 01:04:56,196
On season one, we had
a moment where there were

1194
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,330
some criticisms of our
lead actor, James Franco,

1195
01:04:59,373 --> 01:05:01,375
for stuff that had
happened not on our set

1196
01:05:01,419 --> 01:05:04,596
but had happened on indie
films that he had worked on.

1197
01:05:06,598 --> 01:05:08,817
But nonetheless, I
felt the need

1198
01:05:08,861 --> 01:05:10,950
to ask all the
principal cast members,

1199
01:05:10,994 --> 01:05:12,952
"Did you have any
problems on our set?"

1200
01:05:12,996 --> 01:05:14,954
Emily Meade rather
bravely said,

1201
01:05:14,998 --> 01:05:16,564
"Things didn't go
right on set.

1202
01:05:16,608 --> 01:05:18,262
One day, I'll tell
you about it."

1203
01:05:21,439 --> 01:05:22,744
Whoa, baby.

1204
01:05:22,788 --> 01:05:25,138
I was playing a
prostitute turned porn star.

1205
01:05:28,402 --> 01:05:29,621
I was 26.

1206
01:05:32,015 --> 01:05:34,060
And I was starting to
realize how much I was having

1207
01:05:34,104 --> 01:05:37,934
to constantly dissociate
to, like, show up to my job.

1208
01:05:39,022 --> 01:05:41,720
Oh, that's,
yeah, oh, yeah.

1209
01:05:41,763 --> 01:05:45,245
There were circumstances
where I wound up having to do

1210
01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:46,507
a very intimate sex scene

1211
01:05:46,551 --> 01:05:50,294
with a completely
random background actor.

1212
01:05:51,512 --> 01:05:55,212
I was not willing
to be on the show

1213
01:05:55,255 --> 01:05:56,778
with things the way they were,

1214
01:05:56,822 --> 01:06:00,434
wanting to protect the
women involved in this show.

1215
01:06:00,478 --> 01:06:03,089
Emily basically said,
"We can do this better,"

1216
01:06:03,133 --> 01:06:04,612
and then it was
our job to listen.

1217
01:06:04,656 --> 01:06:05,874
The best thing I
could come up with was

1218
01:06:05,918 --> 01:06:08,486
that there should be
a person who is there,

1219
01:06:08,529 --> 01:06:12,969
who their sole job is
to facilitate, protect,

1220
01:06:13,012 --> 01:06:15,014
and just be there for sex
scenes

1221
01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:16,798
like a stunt coordinator.

1222
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:21,325
God.

1223
01:06:21,368 --> 01:06:22,979
There are entire
departments of people

1224
01:06:23,022 --> 01:06:24,415
who are there to make
sure nobody gets hurt

1225
01:06:24,458 --> 01:06:25,982
when we're
simulating violence.

1226
01:06:28,114 --> 01:06:29,637
But we hadn't, to this
point, hired somebody

1227
01:06:29,681 --> 01:06:32,292
whose sole area
of expertise was,

1228
01:06:32,336 --> 01:06:34,294
"Let's make sure
nobody gets, you know,

1229
01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:36,905
emotionally hurt or
physically hurt, you know,

1230
01:06:36,949 --> 01:06:39,082
when we're
simulating intimacy."

1231
01:06:42,085 --> 01:06:43,869
I'm there to make
sure the actors are safe

1232
01:06:43,912 --> 01:06:46,437
but also to check
in and make sure

1233
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,135
what is happening
on set is consensual

1234
01:06:49,179 --> 01:06:51,311
and what is happening
is what was agreed to.

1235
01:06:51,355 --> 01:06:53,966
I don't wanna
disappoint anybody.

1236
01:06:55,141 --> 01:06:57,317
That was probably always
the hardest part for me,

1237
01:06:58,666 --> 01:07:00,059
having to, like, look
someone in the eyes,

1238
01:07:00,103 --> 01:07:02,627
a man specifically, and,
like, disappoint them

1239
01:07:02,670 --> 01:07:04,977
about what I'm willing
to do sexually.

1240
01:07:06,587 --> 01:07:08,285
She could go tell
the director, like,

1241
01:07:08,328 --> 01:07:10,635
"Emily's feeling a little
strange about this,"

1242
01:07:10,678 --> 01:07:13,333
warn the director of that
so they can roll their eyes

1243
01:07:13,377 --> 01:07:14,334
or have whatever private

1244
01:07:14,378 --> 01:07:15,161
reaction they want to,

1245
01:07:15,205 --> 01:07:16,336
and I don't have to see it

1246
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:18,773
and feel
insecure or embarrassed.

1247
01:07:18,817 --> 01:07:20,210
Let's go, sweetheart.

1248
01:07:21,124 --> 01:07:21,950
Are we good?

1249
01:07:23,387 --> 01:07:25,954
It was just the process
of having that conversation,

1250
01:07:25,998 --> 01:07:27,260
and feeling like I
had a choice,

1251
01:07:27,304 --> 01:07:29,393
and like I wasn't in a corner.

1252
01:07:29,436 --> 01:07:31,786
All right, first
up is Lori and Andy.

1253
01:07:31,830 --> 01:07:33,092
"The Deuce" wound up being

1254
01:07:33,136 --> 01:07:35,051
the first network
television show

1255
01:07:35,094 --> 01:07:36,617
to have an intimacy
coordinator,

1256
01:07:36,661 --> 01:07:38,054
and then HBO wound up being

1257
01:07:38,097 --> 01:07:39,229
the first network to have

1258
01:07:39,272 --> 01:07:42,058
network-wide intimacy
coordinators used.

1259
01:07:43,407 --> 01:07:44,364
There are certain things

1260
01:07:44,582 --> 01:07:46,062
that might have been acceptable

1261
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:49,935
five years ago, 10
years ago, 20 years ago

1262
01:07:49,978 --> 01:07:52,198
that are not acceptable now.

1263
01:07:52,242 --> 01:07:54,287
And I think it took Time's Up.

1264
01:07:54,331 --> 01:07:55,897
It took Me Too.

1265
01:07:55,941 --> 01:08:00,206
It took this entire
shift for people to look

1266
01:08:00,250 --> 01:08:03,905
at scenes like this and
say, "We can do better."

1267
01:08:05,298 --> 01:08:06,386
You're gonna listen to me.

1268
01:08:06,430 --> 01:08:07,387
Wait, hey, Dorothy.

1269
01:08:07,431 --> 01:08:09,868
whether you like it or not.

1270
01:08:11,826 --> 01:08:15,482
There's clearly
a deeply entrenched

1271
01:08:15,526 --> 01:08:18,398
terror of male privilege

1272
01:08:18,442 --> 01:08:20,444
and power being taken away.

1273
01:08:21,923 --> 01:08:24,100
I'm not gonna be stopped
by three dumb-witted broads.

1274
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:27,625
I wanted to show
that you could

1275
01:08:27,668 --> 01:08:29,061
cut off the head of power

1276
01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:31,846
instead of biting at ankles,
that, if everybody is

1277
01:08:31,890 --> 01:08:34,893
always kind of complaining
about the same thing,

1278
01:08:36,068 --> 01:08:38,114
maybe we can do
something about it.

1279
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:49,125
I do feel optimistic,

1280
01:08:50,300 --> 01:08:53,477
but Hollywood is
definitely sexist,

1281
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:57,785
definitely racist place,

1282
01:08:57,829 --> 01:09:00,832
and it's going to take a lot

1283
01:09:00,875 --> 01:09:05,880
to dismantle those systems.

1284
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:08,796
The Me Too movement
ushered in a greater level

1285
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,800
of the magnifying glass.

1286
01:09:12,844 --> 01:09:15,629
That long-held
patriarchal power

1287
01:09:15,673 --> 01:09:17,196
in Hollywood was rendered

1288
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,981
vulnerable really for
the very first time

1289
01:09:20,025 --> 01:09:21,635
in a very real way.

1290
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:24,290
Harvey Weinstein
surrendering to police-

1291
01:09:24,334 --> 01:09:25,248
- Leslie Moonves's-
- on sex crime charges.

1292
01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:27,293
career at CBS came to an end

1293
01:09:27,337 --> 01:09:28,468
in September-
Chief Roy Price has

1294
01:09:28,512 --> 01:09:29,643
been suspended
after multiple women-

1295
01:09:29,687 --> 01:09:30,862
- in the wake of-
- came forward.

1296
01:09:30,905 --> 01:09:32,342
sexual harassment
accusations from-

1297
01:09:32,385 --> 01:09:34,518
James Franco snubbed by
the Oscars in the wake-

1298
01:09:34,561 --> 01:09:36,172
The Screen Actors Guild
found actor Kip Pardue

1299
01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:39,697
guilty of serious misconduct.

1300
01:09:43,570 --> 01:09:47,792
I think that many films
have women in peril.

1301
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,318
Some Prince Charming
has to come and save us,

1302
01:09:53,798 --> 01:09:57,715
and we come to believe
that we innately don't have

1303
01:09:57,758 --> 01:10:01,284
the power to save
ourselves, but we do.

1304
01:10:03,982 --> 01:10:06,158
Women are
finally finding a voice.

1305
01:10:22,827 --> 01:10:26,613
Before doing "Vida," I
hadn't experienced too much

1306
01:10:26,657 --> 01:10:29,355
in the roles of getting to
play an American like me,

1307
01:10:29,399 --> 01:10:31,183
a Latina like me.

1308
01:10:33,533 --> 01:10:38,408
It is by design that we
are seeing a woman pursue

1309
01:10:39,887 --> 01:10:43,456
her sexuality and pleasure in
a very unapologetic fashion.

1310
01:10:44,979 --> 01:10:47,025
We haven't gotten a
chance to, us, like, create

1311
01:10:47,068 --> 01:10:48,809
complicated images
of ourselves,

1312
01:10:48,853 --> 01:10:52,160
and these girls I created
were, shitty, messy.

1313
01:10:52,204 --> 01:10:54,554
They made really
bad decisions.

1314
01:10:57,296 --> 01:10:58,732
Dominant culture gets to tell

1315
01:10:58,776 --> 01:11:00,386
all that, you
know, all the time.

1316
01:11:01,344 --> 01:11:02,910
When do we get to say it?

1317
01:11:07,132 --> 01:11:10,266
The sex scenes started
in the writer's room.

1318
01:11:10,309 --> 01:11:13,269
These girls, they knew
exactly how to get off,

1319
01:11:13,312 --> 01:11:14,487
what they wanted.

1320
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:21,189
It progressed the story.

1321
01:11:21,233 --> 01:11:22,756
It wasn't just gratuitous.

1322
01:11:24,541 --> 01:11:28,153
Tanya brought me into the
editing room just to make sure

1323
01:11:28,196 --> 01:11:31,069
I was completely
comfortable with the way

1324
01:11:31,112 --> 01:11:34,768
that certain things
were being shot.

1325
01:11:34,812 --> 01:11:37,162
You know, "Is this all right?"

1326
01:11:37,205 --> 01:11:38,685
Okay?

1327
01:11:38,729 --> 01:11:40,252
It's nice to have
somebody checking in on you

1328
01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:41,601
even after the fact.

1329
01:11:47,999 --> 01:11:50,393
"The Sex Lives of
College Girls" is

1330
01:11:50,436 --> 01:11:53,744
about freshmen
college suitemates

1331
01:11:53,787 --> 01:11:56,007
who are navigating
their sexuality.

1332
01:11:57,182 --> 01:11:58,662
So, how does this work?

1333
01:12:00,185 --> 01:12:02,318
Do we just take our
clothes off and go inside?

1334
01:12:02,361 --> 01:12:04,363
Fuck it, I'm going in.

1335
01:12:04,407 --> 01:12:05,799
I have a disability.

1336
01:12:05,843 --> 01:12:09,020
My character, clearly, will
also have a disability,

1337
01:12:09,063 --> 01:12:12,371
but who my character is is
not predicated on the fact

1338
01:12:12,415 --> 01:12:13,851
that I'm a disabled woman.

1339
01:12:13,894 --> 01:12:15,592
Honey, I pull.

1340
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,594
Hey.

1341
01:12:17,637 --> 01:12:19,726
It's still about my sexuality.

1342
01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:22,990
Do any of you know where
a girl named Sarah is?

1343
01:12:23,034 --> 01:12:23,774
No.

1344
01:12:23,817 --> 01:12:24,601
Sorry.

1345
01:12:24,644 --> 01:12:26,124
I don't.

1346
01:12:26,167 --> 01:12:30,476
It's the most refreshing
thing to have a character,

1347
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,654
especially a wheelchair user,
be sexy, be sex positive,

1348
01:12:34,698 --> 01:12:38,484
be sexual, to be seen
as desired and loved

1349
01:12:38,528 --> 01:12:41,095
because we deserve it, too.

1350
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:47,798
There was a time in
my life when I felt free

1351
01:12:52,585 --> 01:12:54,021
Ow.

1352
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:56,067
Ah, Jesus.

1353
01:12:57,590 --> 01:13:00,898
I always knew that it
would be noisy to make a show

1354
01:13:00,941 --> 01:13:04,684
about female desire
and sexuality,

1355
01:13:04,728 --> 01:13:08,384
about a woman who wants sex,

1356
01:13:08,427 --> 01:13:09,994
who admits she's had sex,

1357
01:13:10,037 --> 01:13:13,954
that she wants to have more
of it, and not punishing her

1358
01:13:13,998 --> 01:13:18,219
for her desire is in
itself a revolutionary act.

1359
01:13:18,263 --> 01:13:20,483
When you make that
woman a mother,

1360
01:13:20,526 --> 01:13:25,531
it is just charging straight
into these opinions in society

1361
01:13:26,663 --> 01:13:29,753
that martyrdom is the
ideal for mothers.

1362
01:13:29,796 --> 01:13:31,145
♪ Each morning

1363
01:13:31,189 --> 01:13:32,233
Morning, mommy.

1364
01:13:33,713 --> 01:13:36,499
I also felt like we
cannot tell this whole story

1365
01:13:36,542 --> 01:13:39,893
and just not even have
one shot of a penis.

1366
01:13:44,071 --> 01:13:47,466
We put it in the cut, and
the Netflix executives were

1367
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:50,121
very nervous about
it and asked us

1368
01:13:50,164 --> 01:13:51,731
to consider taking it out.

1369
01:13:53,167 --> 01:13:56,170
They were concerned that it
would be off-putting to women.

1370
01:13:56,214 --> 01:13:58,216
Not heterosexual
women.

1371
01:14:00,566 --> 01:14:02,438
I think everything I've
been doing has been an attempt

1372
01:14:02,481 --> 01:14:04,918
to investigate the male gaze,

1373
01:14:04,962 --> 01:14:06,833
all these ways in which the
camera has kind of stood

1374
01:14:06,877 --> 01:14:10,489
in for an assumed
masculine protagonist

1375
01:14:10,533 --> 01:14:13,492
and to to kind of reset
it, saying, you know,

1376
01:14:13,536 --> 01:14:14,319
"I'm the subject.

1377
01:14:14,362 --> 01:14:15,189
You're the object."

1378
01:14:17,322 --> 01:14:19,803
Consent doesn't have to be
this kind of,

1379
01:14:20,151 --> 01:14:21,413
like, mushy thing

1380
01:14:21,457 --> 01:14:24,590
that's, like, shrouded
in questions about

1381
01:14:24,634 --> 01:14:25,983
shame and gender.

1382
01:14:30,988 --> 01:14:32,903
When I'm filming, I'm
always wanting to, like, put

1383
01:14:32,946 --> 01:14:36,080
the camera into the place
of the character's desire.

1384
01:14:36,123 --> 01:14:38,474
So, it's like, instead
of taking the camera

1385
01:14:38,517 --> 01:14:40,214
up here or out here, I'm
always,

1386
01:14:40,258 --> 01:14:41,607
like, literally imagining

1387
01:14:41,651 --> 01:14:44,088
the camera moving down
into, like, the gut.

1388
01:14:48,353 --> 01:14:51,182
Joey really opened
up in me my sensitivity

1389
01:14:51,225 --> 01:14:53,314
as a human being translated

1390
01:14:53,358 --> 01:14:56,100
into what I could
bring to the camera.

1391
01:15:00,452 --> 01:15:02,410
The camera's approach
is honoring the

1392
01:15:02,454 --> 01:15:03,586
space for the actors.

1393
01:15:05,109 --> 01:15:08,329
Joey would say that I had
a mussy and would say,

1394
01:15:08,373 --> 01:15:10,549
"Jimmy, shoot from
your mussy,"

1395
01:15:10,593 --> 01:15:13,334
'cause I don't think that
a man only has a male gaze,

1396
01:15:13,378 --> 01:15:15,423
or a woman would only
have a female gaze.

1397
01:15:19,210 --> 01:15:20,603
I wanted to be naked

1398
01:15:20,646 --> 01:15:22,039
because, first of all,
that had never been done.

1399
01:15:22,082 --> 01:15:23,562
All right.

1400
01:15:23,606 --> 01:15:26,130
And the second reason
was that I wanted to show

1401
01:15:26,173 --> 01:15:29,829
this relationship and
these two human beings are

1402
01:15:29,873 --> 01:15:31,831
just like, they
have conversations

1403
01:15:31,875 --> 01:15:34,138
after people take showers,
and they're naked.

1404
01:15:37,054 --> 01:15:39,317
We can't
afford any more bills.

1405
01:15:40,623 --> 01:15:42,494
I can't believe I
have to say this.

1406
01:15:42,538 --> 01:15:44,888
Trans people
actually have sex.

1407
01:15:44,931 --> 01:15:48,544
We have sex with other people.

1408
01:15:48,587 --> 01:15:49,501
Isn't that weird?

1409
01:15:49,545 --> 01:15:51,634
I know, strange,
but it's true.

1410
01:15:53,897 --> 01:15:56,334
Everybody is doing
this thing called love.

1411
01:16:01,078 --> 01:16:04,124
I'm really
interested in pursuing

1412
01:16:04,168 --> 01:16:07,388
the notion of female desire,

1413
01:16:12,002 --> 01:16:16,310
be it ambition, or sex,

1414
01:16:16,354 --> 01:16:21,359
or romance with the idea
that there is a subjectivity

1415
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:24,231
and often a voraciousness

1416
01:16:25,406 --> 01:16:27,800
that comes from a
female perspective.

1417
01:16:37,462 --> 01:16:39,725
In terms of making films,
the most important thing is

1418
01:16:39,769 --> 01:16:42,249
women have been doing
this forever, you know,

1419
01:16:42,293 --> 01:16:43,599
that we're not the first.

1420
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,523
Women were putting the
camera in a place of empathy,

1421
01:16:57,961 --> 01:17:01,921
yearning, longing, wanting.

1422
01:17:06,143 --> 01:17:08,101
There is a
rediscovery

1423
01:17:08,145 --> 01:17:09,276
of lost Black films

1424
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,628
that celebrate
romance and intimacy.

1425
01:17:13,716 --> 01:17:16,806
These films have
always existed.

1426
01:17:28,992 --> 01:17:30,341
It's changing.

1427
01:17:31,168 --> 01:17:32,343
You can feel it.

1428
01:17:32,386 --> 01:17:33,692
You can feel it in
the writer's rooms.

1429
01:17:33,736 --> 01:17:36,129
You can feel it
talking to producers.

1430
01:17:36,173 --> 01:17:38,088
When I'm on the set of
"Grace and Frankie,"

1431
01:17:38,131 --> 01:17:40,351
half the people
there are women.

1432
01:17:40,394 --> 01:17:43,659
Trust me, when I
started out in '58, '59,

1433
01:17:43,702 --> 01:17:45,051
there wasn't a woman,

1434
01:17:45,095 --> 01:17:48,315
except maybe the script
supervisor, on the set.

1435
01:17:48,359 --> 01:17:51,188
We're making vibrators
for women with arthritis.

1436
01:17:51,231 --> 01:17:53,059
Yes, vibrators.

1437
01:17:53,103 --> 01:17:55,061
We're making things
for people like us

1438
01:17:55,105 --> 01:17:57,803
because we are sick and
tired of being dismissed

1439
01:17:57,847 --> 01:17:59,152
by people like you.

1440
01:17:59,196 --> 01:18:00,066
Mic drop.

1441
01:18:00,893 --> 01:18:02,808
Okay, come on in.

1442
01:18:05,550 --> 01:18:07,160
I'm hoping
that there will be

1443
01:18:07,204 --> 01:18:10,686
a more seismic shift
happening more rapidly now.

1444
01:18:10,729 --> 01:18:11,817
Hey.

1445
01:18:12,557 --> 01:18:13,950
Yeah, sure.

1446
01:18:13,993 --> 01:18:15,516
I think we need more-

1447
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,910
You'll see more
women green light a series,

1448
01:18:20,826 --> 01:18:22,306
to green light a movie,

1449
01:18:22,349 --> 01:18:24,438
and when you see that,

1450
01:18:24,482 --> 01:18:28,355
you'll see more movies
that empower women.

1451
01:18:37,974 --> 01:18:39,366
Okay, and cut.

1452
01:18:40,237 --> 01:18:42,630
Actresses, for
the first time

1453
01:18:42,674 --> 01:18:46,243
since I would say
the 30s, have power.

1454
01:18:48,114 --> 01:18:51,727
Men want to be
looking at women

1455
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:53,859
in the way that you look at
a protagonist in a movie,

1456
01:18:53,903 --> 01:18:55,252
which is as yourself.

1457
01:18:57,820 --> 01:18:59,299
And for some reason,

1458
01:18:59,343 --> 01:19:01,693
I think men weren't making
that kind of transference.

1459
01:19:02,563 --> 01:19:04,652
Now, it's happening.

1460
01:19:04,696 --> 01:19:09,614
The beauty of film, and
television, and media is

1461
01:19:09,657 --> 01:19:13,749
that we have the ability to
reach people's living rooms.

1462
01:19:13,792 --> 01:19:17,274
And when you see somebody that
maybe doesn't look like you,

1463
01:19:17,317 --> 01:19:19,929
but emotionally, you see
yourself

1464
01:19:20,190 --> 01:19:21,800
reflected in that way,

1465
01:19:21,844 --> 01:19:26,762
all of a sudden, that person
becomes more familiar to you.

1466
01:19:29,677 --> 01:19:33,377
We have consumed, for a
very long time, ourselves

1467
01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:37,381
outside of our own lens

1468
01:19:37,424 --> 01:19:41,777
that we are still figuring
out what that means.

1469
01:19:43,256 --> 01:19:44,475
I think Hollywood is

1470
01:19:44,518 --> 01:19:46,912
no longer just a place
of entertainment.

1471
01:19:46,956 --> 01:19:49,915
I think that the power
that Hollywood holds is

1472
01:19:49,959 --> 01:19:54,398
so great that it should
put its power to good use,

1473
01:19:54,441 --> 01:19:56,400
which is representation.

1474
01:20:01,884 --> 01:20:04,103
Hey, check this one out.

1475
01:20:04,147 --> 01:20:08,107
And I think nudity and sex,
it's a really beautiful way

1476
01:20:08,151 --> 01:20:10,327
to show things
without telling them

1477
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:13,243
and is a vital part
of storytelling.

1478
01:20:13,286 --> 01:20:15,941
And I actually feel
better doing it

1479
01:20:15,985 --> 01:20:17,900
with an intimacy
coordinator now.

1480
01:20:20,337 --> 01:20:22,643
I have done something and
been involved in something

1481
01:20:22,687 --> 01:20:26,256
that is important and I hope
permanent in this industry,

1482
01:20:26,299 --> 01:20:29,433
and, yeah, it's
pretty surreal.

1483
01:20:29,476 --> 01:20:32,697
It's really, it feels
very good.

1484
01:20:40,096 --> 01:20:41,140
♪ I'm feeling myself

1485
01:20:41,184 --> 01:20:42,968
♪ I'm feeling myself

1486
01:20:43,012 --> 01:20:44,230
♪ Can't even lie

1487
01:20:44,274 --> 01:20:45,928
♪ I'm not that
thing on the shelf ♪

1488
01:20:45,971 --> 01:20:47,103
♪ I'm feeling myself

1489
01:20:47,146 --> 01:20:48,756
♪ I'm feeling myself

1490
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,761
♪ 'Cause I'm doing it
better than anyone else ♪

1491
01:20:58,679 --> 01:21:01,030
We're just
getting started.

1492
01:21:01,073 --> 01:21:02,858
All right, fellas.

1493
01:21:02,901 --> 01:21:04,903
Getting the cameras into
the hands of the people

1494
01:21:04,947 --> 01:21:07,384
who want them and
deserve them.

1495
01:21:08,341 --> 01:21:10,604
Fuck yeah, mom.

1496
01:21:12,302 --> 01:21:14,521
Women don't stay
silent forever.

1497
01:21:14,565 --> 01:21:17,873
Some women will see some of
these amazing pieces of work

1498
01:21:17,916 --> 01:21:20,832
by women and start to
kind of center themselves

1499
01:21:20,876 --> 01:21:22,703
in their lives, you know?

1500
01:21:22,747 --> 01:21:25,358
But it's not filmmaking's
job to do it.

1501
01:21:25,402 --> 01:21:27,795
It's the world's job to
center female pleasure.

1502
01:21:27,839 --> 01:21:30,363
It's the world's job
to understand consent.

1503
01:21:30,407 --> 01:21:33,062
You know, it's not female
filmmakers' job to teach it.

1504
01:21:35,412 --> 01:21:36,892
We got enough to do.

1505
01:21:36,935 --> 01:21:38,023
♪ I'm feeling myself

1506
01:21:38,067 --> 01:21:39,895
♪ I'm feeling myself

1507
01:21:39,938 --> 01:21:41,113
♪ Can't even lie

1508
01:21:41,157 --> 01:21:42,941
♪ I'm not that
thing on the shelf ♪

1509
01:21:42,985 --> 01:21:44,029
♪ I'm feeling myself

1510
01:21:44,073 --> 01:21:45,639
♪ I'm feeling myself

1511
01:21:45,683 --> 01:21:49,121
♪ 'Cause I'm doing it
better than anyone else ♪

1512
01:21:49,165 --> 01:21:50,035
♪ Feeling myself

1513
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:51,994
♪ I'm feeling myself

1514
01:21:52,037 --> 01:21:53,256
♪ Can't even lie

1515
01:21:53,299 --> 01:21:55,084
♪ I'm not that
thing on the shelf ♪

1516
01:21:55,127 --> 01:21:56,128
♪ I'm feeling myself

1517
01:21:56,172 --> 01:21:57,782
♪ I'm feeling myself

1518
01:21:57,825 --> 01:22:02,743
♪ 'Cause I'm doing it
better than anyone else ♪

1519
01:22:03,483 --> 01:22:06,095
♪ Feeling myself

1520
01:22:06,138 --> 01:22:09,446
♪ I'm feeling myself

1521
01:22:09,489 --> 01:22:12,449
♪ I'm feeling myself

1522
01:22:12,492 --> 01:22:17,497
♪ I'm feeling myself



