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[Epstein]
Look, if there's something we can do
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to minimize Ghislaine's involvement,
I'd appreciate it because there's nothing…
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It's… it's just unfair because she…
she really plays no role.
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And Ghislaine was never…
never ever a part of any of this stuff.
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It turned out not to be,
you know, truthful
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that she was involved in procuring women.
The whole thing's ridiculous.
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I… I'm willing to take the heat
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for, you know, the situation
I've been involved in.
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She's already fragile.
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You know, to bring innocent people in
simply because she's well-known,
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I… I just think is unfair,
and I'm telling you, it's defamatory.
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And it's bullshit.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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Speculation has abounded for several days
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as to the whereabouts
of Ghislaine Maxwell.
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[man 1] After Jeffrey Epstein's death,
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the inevitable question was,
"When is Ghislaine gonna be arrested?"
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[reporter 1] Maxwell has been accused
of recruiting underage girls
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to act as sex slaves
for Epstein and other men.
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[woman 1] She's accused
of being not only a coconspirator
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but also an abuser herself.
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[man 2] All our friends
who’d known her at the time were like,
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"Where the hell is Ghislaine?"
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[airplane engine roaring]
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Maxwell, who is allegedly now under
a new FBI investigation, is in hiding.
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[woman 2] Ghislaine Maxwell
has multiple citizenships.
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She could flee to a country
where we could no longer prosecute her.
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[reporter 2] It's been nearly
half a year since Epstein's death,
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and Ghislaine Maxwell
is still nowhere to be found.
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[woman 3] I was thinking in my head,
"Well, she better stay hidden,
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because they are gonna just destroy her."
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[man 3] Ghislaine Maxwell
was hiding from the public.
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She was hiding from the press.
She was hiding from authorities.
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She was hoping
that everybody would forget about it.
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Clearly, that didn't work.
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[suspenseful music fading]
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[reporter 3] Authorities have been
searching for Ghislaine Maxwell.
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At 8:30 this morning,
they found her here, in New Hampshire.
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[woman 4] It was an aggressive raid.
And she ran into the other room.
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They found that she was trying
to hide her location
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by putting tinfoil on her cell phone.
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She clearly did not want to be found.
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[woman 5] Today, we announce charges
against Ghislaine Maxwell
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for helping Jeffrey Epstein
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sexually exploit and abuse
multiple minor girls.
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I firmly believe that she didn't think
she was doing anything wrong.
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[unsettling music playing]
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Now the question is, was it fate?
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Was it always going to happen?
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Or was there that point where
she could've gone down a different road?
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[reporter 4] If convicted on all counts,
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the 58-year-old Maxwell
could face up to 35 years in prison.
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[woman 6] And now that Ghislaine
has been arrested,
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the more important question is,
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will power and money stand in the way
of justice once again,
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the way it has so many times before
in this twisted story?
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[woman] I'm a survivor of the abuse
at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein.
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And I'm going to be testifying
in her upcoming trial.
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I met Maxwell and Epstein
when I was just 16 years old
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through my sister, Maria Farmer.
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We were both abused by Maxwell and Epstein
in separate instances in the '90s.
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We reported it to the authorities,
and nothing was done.
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My sister went to the FBI in 1996
and told them.
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We both talked to reporters in 2002.
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Come on.
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Then, we talked to the FBI in 2006,
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but still, nothing was done.
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And then in 2019, I was so hopeful
that we would finally get accountability.
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Fox News has learned
that billionaire Jeffrey Epstein
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has been charged by federal prosecutors
with sex trafficking.
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[man] Epstein is charged
in a two-count indictment.
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First, conspiracy to commit
sex trafficking and second,
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the substantive crime
of sex trafficking of underage girls.
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[Annie Farmer]
We were finally hoping to get justice,
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but then my husband
woke me up early in the morning
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with the news of what happened.
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And I felt sick to my stomach.
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[reporter] We do want to start here
with breaking news right now.
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Sources telling ABC News
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that accused sex trafficker
Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide.
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[male anchor]
Epstein's accusers are furious tonight,
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saying he won't have to face justice
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while they have to live with their scars
for the rest of their lives.
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[birds chirping]
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[Annie Farmer] It was the summer of 2020,
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and it had been some time
since Epstein had… had died.
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I woke up the morning of my birthday
to a phone call very early
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that I was not expecting,
and I saw that it was Sigrid calling me.
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Sigrid McCawley and David Boies
are my attorneys,
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and I've worked with them
for several years to pursue justice
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against Epstein and Maxwell.
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When I answered the phone,
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Sigrid told me that Maxwell
had just been arrested
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and that I was one of the women
that had been included
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in the charges against her.
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[McCawley] I've been working with victims
of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
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for about seven years now.
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What's so incredible about Annie's story
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is that she started telling it
decades ago,
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and finally, now, Ghislaine Maxwell
is being tried for those crimes.
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-Hi, David.
-Hi.
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[Boies] The Maxwell and Epstein
sex-trafficking enterprise
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is a good illustration
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of how slow society moves
and how slow the justice system moves.
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This is, finally, an opportunity
for vindication for the survivors.
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The current criminal case
against Ghislaine has three victims,
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all underage victims.
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[McCawley] Two of whom are not public,
and one of whom is Annie Farmer.
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[Annie Farmer]
I chose to use my name at the trial
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because I had been working already
to bring attention
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to what had happened in this case.
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And I was just highlighting
the indictment…
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[Annie Farmer] David and Sigrid
are helping me to know what's coming
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and to help me think
about how to clearly present my story.
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I think we see, you know,
the indictment, there's a lot in here
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that's, uh, really critical to her story.
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I think what I was taken by
was the focus on grooming.
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-[Boies] Yeah.
-The grooming was such a big piece
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of what she went through
and how they lured her into this.
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Annie presents incredibly well.
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She has a degree in psychology,
a doctorate.
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And frankly, the consistency
of her story over many, many years.
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At the trial, I expect that
they're gonna get into the details
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of what happened to her.
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I think they're gonna pick it apart
quite a bit.
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And I think being put on the stand
and being cross-examined
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by these really ferocious lawyers
is gonna be hard.
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[Boies] She's a wonderfully strong,
articulate young woman,
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but she's not an experienced witness.
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And we're gonna have to be sure
that she knows the kind of questions
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that Maxwell's attorneys are gonna ask
on cross-examination.
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[Annie Farmer] This process of waiting
to get to trial is hard,
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because on the one hand,
I'm dreading testifying…
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Come on.
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…and on the other hand, I'm really ready
to close this chapter of my life
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and move on to other things.
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Yeah, your sister's nervous.
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[man] I've been fighting for justice
on behalf of now more than 65
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of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein's
victims for over 13 years.
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I represent one of three victims
that is going to be called to testify
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in the Maxwell trial.
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My client is gonna proceed
under the pseudonym "Kate,"
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as this case has international attention,
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and she has a young daughter.
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She wants to be protective of her.
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She wants to be protective
of her own privacy.
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And she feels that it's very important
to bring Ghislaine Maxwell to justice,
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as do I.
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[Edwards] After accumulating
100 banker's boxes of material,
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this is just a small fraction
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of the information that we compiled
regarding Ghislaine Maxwell's whereabouts
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at certain times.
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Photographs, witness statements,
police reports, timelines,
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spiderwebs of victims,
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all of the evidence
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that showed direct interaction
between the victims and Ghislaine Maxwell.
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The identical evidence that
the prosecutors are gonna show the jury
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in the upcoming trial
against Ghislaine Maxwell.
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My best guesstimate,
just based on everything that I know,
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is that Jeffrey Epstein accumulated
more than 500 victims.
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At this point,
I think Jeffrey Epstein is the undisputed,
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most prolific sexual predator of all time.
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But without Ghislaine's help,
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he could never have pulled off
such an elaborate scheme
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and abused so many.
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She fed a monster.
You have to kind of be a monster to do it.
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Jeffrey Epstein is molesting
hundreds and hundreds of girls
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from the time that Ghislaine meets him
until he's arrested.
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And yet, the only trial
that's going to happen
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related to the sex trafficking
is against Ghislaine.
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My law partner, Brittany Henderson,
David Boies, Sigrid McCawley,
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and I have worked for years
to put this puzzle together.
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Even though we represent
different clients,
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we have a united front
and are now helping the prosecutors
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to make sure they put
the strongest case forward.
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Four sex-trafficking charges.
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And now there's a lot of work to be done.
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The victims and witnesses
are gonna be ready.
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They've always been ready.
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I think the strongest arguments
for the prosecution are really the voices
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of these young women.
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I think the biggest challenge
is that Ghislaine Maxwell
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is very effective
at presenting herself incredibly well.
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She is well-educated.
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She comes across
as a very sophisticated woman,
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which gives people comfort
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because they assume
that somebody of that stature
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is, of course, not going to be somebody
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that they would envision
as being an abuser.
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[man 1] I met Ghislaine in November 1989.
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At the time, she was visiting from London.
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I was going to a nightclub
and having dinner with some friends,
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who had been at Oxford with Ghislaine.
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She was the life of every party,
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knew absolutely everyone,
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extremely popular, vivacious personality.
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I remember Ghislaine told
a lot of very funny, dirty jokes.
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That night, I went home
and wrote in my diary,
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"Met Ghislaine Maxwell,
hilarious sense of humor,
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incredibly good fun,
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and she's just a really live wire,
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and I hope I get to see her again."
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[camera shutter clicks]
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[man 2] I met Ghislaine in New York,
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and we had a fair number
of friends in common.
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A couple of people I knew had dated her.
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And she was a connector.
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She was gregarious and quite glamorous
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and a bit raunchy and quite wild.
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And made more interesting
by the fact that her father
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was this rather notorious business figure,
Robert Maxwell.
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[Robert Maxwell] Captain, you might come
and take this bag from my secretary.
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[Mason] Robert Maxwell
was this larger-than-life character.
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Notorious press baron,
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a wheeler-dealer,
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and just a monstrous ego,
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a kind of successful scoundrel.
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[Rellie] Her father had set her up
in this life
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which allowed her to be, you know,
at the fulcrum of New York society.
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She was, you know, like
the sparkling debutante or something.
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So, the bottom picture, uh,
we were at an event in, um, Los Angeles.
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And I'm in, like, my early twenties.
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And yeah, we were having,
like, a lot of fun back then.
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Yeah, she was definitely, like,
a kind of flirtatious character, for sure.
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She exuded this mysterious air about her.
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Like, you never knew,
like, which tropical location
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she'd just jetted in from.
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She was like a… a Bond character.
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She never stayed in one place very long.
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She didn't really even need
to be a social climber,
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because she already was
at the top because of her father.
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She knew everyone.
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And these people
were, like, running countries
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or were, like, famous musicians, or…
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You know, she… she knew, like,
the very top percentage of the people
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that basically rule the world.
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Could she read a room?
Yeah, for sure, definitely.
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She knew exactly, like,
if she was going to an event,
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who was gonna be there.
And she would've scoped it out,
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and she would know all about them
and who she's gonna spend time on.
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On the scale of shark,
she'd probably be a great white shark.
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[somber music playing]
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[woman 1] She's never been
really sensitive
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to the feelings of others.
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She had no boundaries.
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She was overtly sexual
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but more as an arranger and a teacher.
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And I remember one party,
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Ghislaine, who I hadn't seen for a while,
sort of appears from nowhere,
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grabs my hand,
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and suddenly suggests
that she gives me a lesson
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in the art of performing oral sex.
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Um…
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I was absolutely flabbergasted.
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She would encourage girls at parties
to flirt with the men there
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and do even more than flirt.
I mean, literally, to go to bed with them.
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[woman 2] I remember meeting Ghislaine
for the first time
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at Headington Hill Hall,
the family home of the Maxwells,
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and being very struck
by how beautiful she was.
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Um, she was just delightful.
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[Mozart's "Turkish March" playing]
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I was there for a dinner party,
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and I don't remember anybody else
in the family being there.
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Ghislaine was 29 at the time,
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and most of the people there
seemed to be around that age
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or slightly older, in their mid-thirties.
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We had a very nice meal.
There was a lot of laughter.
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Then Ghislaine stood up and disappeared.
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She came back with a handful of scarves
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and then sort of, you know,
demanded everybody's attention
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and then described the game.
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And the game involved
blindfolding the men with these scarves.
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And then she explained the women
would take off their tops and bras
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and would parade before the men,
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and the men would then
be able to fondle the breasts
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and would then attempt to identify
to whom the breasts belonged,
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relative to the other women in the room.
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This was my idea of, uh…
the… the ultimate nightmare.
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[people laughing]
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[Glucksmann]
I just remember feeling incredibly shocked
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and immediately started working
on my escape plan.
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But it's haunted me ever since.
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The women had no power,
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and the men were being invited
by a woman to be assaulted.
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[despondent music playing]
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[camera shutter clicking]
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[Wyatt] Ghislaine Maxwell
grew up with sexism.
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Her father believed
that women were basically there
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for men's pleasure and convenience.
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He really did view women as objects.
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I met Robert Maxwell for the first time
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at my father's house,
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and I remember noticing that his wife,
Betty, was like a sort of poor dormouse.
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She hardly said a word.
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Maxwell immediately started
to flirt with my mother
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and then flirt with me,
which is something he did a lot.
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He treated his wife badly.
He was unfaithful to his wife.
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[Hervey] I think the fact
that her mother stayed with her father,
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even though he had,
like, multiple affairs,
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I think that probably
did have an effect on her.
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She probably, like, in her head
thought that that was normal.
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[Rellie] But still, she was
desperately, desperately fond of her dad.
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Ghislaine doted on her father
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and vice versa.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Wyatt] Robert Maxwell used
to go around with Ghislaine
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as a kind of mascot.
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It… it was an odd relationship
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because it was more like
a kind of man-and-his-lover relationship.
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I don't mean in a physical sense,
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but he was very proud of her figure
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and the fact that she was attractive
and glamorous,
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and he liked having her on his arm.
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In a rather unhealthy way,
he was her anchor and ballast.
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[foreboding music playing]
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[waves crashing]
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[board member] The board of Mirror Group
Newspapers announces with deep regret
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that Robert Maxwell,
chairman of Mirror Group Newspapers, PLC
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and Maxwell Communication Corporation,
is missing at sea.
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[Dan Rather]
Maxwell was last seen before dawn
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off the Canary Islands in the Atlantic.
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Hours later, searchers found his body.
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[Mason] His death was big news.
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And it was this big mystery.
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Had he been murdered?
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Had he just fallen off his yacht?
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-[reporters clamoring]
-[cameras clicking]
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[Mason] Ghislaine seemed
utterly devastated by her father's death.
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[Ghislaine Maxwell]
I want to take this opportunity
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to thank all the many hundreds of people
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who have sent messages of support to us
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at this very, very sad time.
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[Wyatt] I think without him,
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she was like somebody
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who'd been chucked into the sea
without a life belt.
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[Mason] The news of his death
was followed very shortly thereafter
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by these revelations that he had plundered
the pension plans of his workers.
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[man] The scandal was so big
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that it would have been very difficult
for her to continue existing in London.
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And I think that she really had
to move away.
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[tense music playing]
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[Mason] I remember visiting her
in her apartment on the Upper East Side,
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and she was suddenly out of money.
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Robert Maxwell had left his family
in the lurch.
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It was as if she was sort of
bravely weathering this challenge
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of, you know, the mysterious death
of her beloved father.
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[Ghislaine Maxwell] I'm extremely sad
that my father is no longer here,
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but I don't feel in any way smaller
or lesser than what I was before.
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The future is the future. You just get on
and do whatever you can do.
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If I have a wish for myself,
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it's to do something positive
with my life.
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And she veered towards
a replacement Robert Maxwell,
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a bombastic man
who was also very, very rich
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and had many of the traits of her father,
and he was called Jeffrey Epstein.
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[unsettling music playing]
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[car horns blaring]
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[reporter 1] Ghislaine Maxwell
is facing new federal charges
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of child sex trafficking.
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The new indictment adds
a fourth alleged victim.
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Prosecutors accusing her of trafficking
a 14-year-old girl in the early 2000s.
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[reporter 2] This is on top of six charges
Maxwell was already facing
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tied to Epstein's alleged
sex-trafficking network.
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[reporter 3] It could be
effectively a life sentence for her
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if she's convicted
and given the maximum here.
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[Boies] The newest victim that's been
added to the criminal indictment
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lays out how Maxwell got her
to try to solicit other people to join
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the sex-trafficking, uh, enterprise.
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So this takes the indictment
to another level.
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-[cameras clicking]
-[man chatter indistinctly]
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[McCawley] I always say, in this case,
truth is stranger than fiction.
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So, I think it's really hard
for people to understand
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the vast depth
of the trafficking that occurred,
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and that's so unnatural to so many people.
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So, I think people are fascinated with it
for those reasons.
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[somber music playing]
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After the hearing was over,
Ghislaine stood up,
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she stood around her attorneys,
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and I saw her look over to her sister
who was waiting in the gallery,
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and, um, she tapped her eye,
and she also waved at her,
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and that was the first time
we've seen one of Ghislaine's relatives
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appear before the court in support of her.
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[woman] Does she look okay to you?
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[man] Ghislaine is in very,
very, very difficult conditions,
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conditions none of us would wish
on our worst enemies.
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I've never seen anything like it,
how she's being treated.
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It's the "Epstein Effect."
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[somber music playing]
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[brooding music playing]
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[Mason] The first time I remember
hearing about Jeffrey Epstein
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was, Ghislaine invited me
to a party she was giving for her mother
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in New York,
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00:24:00,814 --> 00:24:05,152
and she explained that it was
at the house of this guy she was dating,
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Jeffrey Epstein.
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[pensive music playing]
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[Rellie] When I first met Jeffrey Epstein,
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I thought he was a wildly successful
investment banker-turned-money manager,
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for whom everything in the world,
you know, had fallen into his lap.
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[Mason] The story Ghislaine told
over and over again
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was that you didn't have a chance
of Jeffrey taking you on as a client
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if you had
less than a billion dollars to invest.
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That was part of the mystique
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of the man that Ghislaine was dating.
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[Rellie] So, I remember thinking,
"He's clearly talented, successful,
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well-dressed, handsome,
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but he made extraordinarily little effort,
frankly, as a host."
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It was an odd dichotomy
between the two of them,
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with Ghislaine flitting around,
making everybody comfortable,
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getting drinks, champagne,
whatever you wanted.
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Ghislaine, kind of, orchestrating
the waiters bringing people snacks
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and so on.
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[indistinct chatter]
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Have you got drinks?
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[Wyatt] She knew how to be a hostess
in a grand, old-fashioned way,
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and I think somebody like Epstein,
um, who was very much new money,
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was attracted to this,
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'cause he probably saw her
as upper-class English accent,
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been to Oxford,
you know, wears designer clothes,
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has lots of well-known friends.
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[pops]
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Suddenly, they were seen together
at all these smart parties,
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all the expensive parties,
seemingly as a couple.
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She seemed genuinely deeply
in love with him.
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[Rellie] She would be
quite touchy-feely with him.
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She'd touch his elbow
or touch his shoulder.
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And they seemed intimate.
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Whenever you saw Ghislaine,
it was, "Jeffrey this and Jeffrey that,"
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and all she spoke about was him.
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00:26:03,353 --> 00:26:07,148
You got this feeling
that she was just, like, so loyal to him.
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I met Ghislaine Maxwell
in the fall of 1994
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while I was a senior
at the Fashion Institute of Technology.
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At the time, I was 21.
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I worked at Henri Bendel.
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One day, while I was working,
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Ghislaine came into the store.
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When she told me her name,
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I remember I was--
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I couldn't figure out
how you would spell that.
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And I said, "That sounds like
a French spelling of 'gasoline.'"
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And she laughed at me, and she said,
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"My boyfriend thinks
I'm a lot like gasoline."
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"He's a match, and I'm gasoline."
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And we laughed over that.
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And I helped her shop.
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And she picked out things,
and we continued the conversation.
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It was… easy to talk to her.
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00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:08,752
I felt like I had met a friend
in Ghislaine that I could trust.
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I felt safe.
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So when we wrapped up the transaction,
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she let me know that she wanted me
to deliver her packages that evening
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at a hotel that was close by.
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When I arrived,
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the concierge escorted me into the bar,
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where I met Ghislaine
and, ultimately, Jeffrey Epstein.
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If I thought Ghislaine was electrifying,
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Jeffrey was… on fire.
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They explained to me that the residence
was undergoing renovations at that time,
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00:27:46,706 --> 00:27:51,002
and they asked me
if I would come up to their room
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to deliver the packages.
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[elevator dings]
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We went up to the room,
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and we were just having
normal conversation.
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At one point,
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Jeffrey got up
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and went into the bathroom,
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and Ghislaine followed him.
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Jeffrey and Ghislaine
both came out in bathrobes.
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00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:19,823
For the most part,
it was pretty light-hearted,
479
00:28:20,532 --> 00:28:22,075
until it wasn't.
480
00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:25,995
The tone of everything changed
in a moment.
481
00:28:27,789 --> 00:28:32,043
They started talking about relationships
between men and women,
482
00:28:32,794 --> 00:28:36,715
and they started
to kiss each other in front of me.
483
00:28:38,466 --> 00:28:43,263
As Ghislaine and Jeffrey started
to become increasingly intimate,
484
00:28:43,346 --> 00:28:45,765
I was sitting across from them, watching,
485
00:28:45,849 --> 00:28:50,145
and I was in shock.
I was completely taken aback.
486
00:28:50,228 --> 00:28:53,815
I thought I was there
in a professional capacity,
487
00:28:53,898 --> 00:28:56,401
and I really didn't know how to react.
488
00:28:57,694 --> 00:29:01,573
Ghislaine encouraged me to join,
489
00:29:03,283 --> 00:29:07,120
and Ghislaine started to instruct me,
490
00:29:07,996 --> 00:29:09,956
kind of as a big sister,
491
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,334
about what he liked
and how she pleased him,
492
00:29:14,169 --> 00:29:18,214
and the alarm bells in me were going off.
493
00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:21,968
Ghislaine was insistent
that I participate,
494
00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:25,764
and I was scared that
495
00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:31,102
this was going to potentially turn
into an assault.
496
00:29:31,728 --> 00:29:33,688
And it did turn into an assault.
497
00:29:34,814 --> 00:29:39,235
I was visibly freaked out
and not wanting to participate.
498
00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:44,073
And, as soon as I could, I backed away.
499
00:29:44,157 --> 00:29:48,203
I reminded Ghislaine that my boyfriend
was coming in for the weekend,
500
00:29:48,828 --> 00:29:51,873
and that's how I got out
of the hotel room that evening.
501
00:29:51,956 --> 00:29:54,000
-[grim music playing]
-[footsteps receding rapidly]
502
00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:01,800
[indistinct chatter]
503
00:30:03,301 --> 00:30:06,429
[Rellie] We used to gossip
about Jeffrey and Ghislaine
504
00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:09,307
to try and make sense
of this slightly odd relationship.
505
00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:12,936
It was a rather strange mixture of facets.
506
00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:16,731
[Wyatt] I mean, it wasn't
a normal relationship,
507
00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:20,151
but it was the kind of relationship
she obviously needed.
508
00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:23,696
She couldn't feel secure without money.
509
00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:27,742
And he was a good catch
for her financially.
510
00:30:28,743 --> 00:30:32,455
They became totally dependent
on each other in a weird way.
511
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,961
[Couturier] As far as Jeffrey Epstein
was concerned,
512
00:30:38,044 --> 00:30:42,590
there was something
that… that sort of reeked of vice.
513
00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:44,676
[somber music playing]
514
00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:47,971
I mean, it's not that we were all saints.
515
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:50,431
You know, we all did things
that we shouldn't have done.
516
00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:56,354
But there was something
that was… charged in negativity in him,
517
00:30:56,437 --> 00:30:59,607
which few people that I met had.
518
00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:04,654
[Rellie] He could be quite dismissive
towards Ghislaine.
519
00:31:04,737 --> 00:31:07,156
There was a darkness
about the whole thing.
520
00:31:08,324 --> 00:31:11,536
[Couturier] And actually,
the funny thing is, is that he owed her
521
00:31:11,619 --> 00:31:15,582
all these entries into society
that he might not have had otherwise.
522
00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:18,001
You know, like royalty.
523
00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:24,173
[woman] Ghislaine's connection
to the Royal Family
524
00:31:24,257 --> 00:31:27,051
really dates back to her father,
Robert Maxwell,
525
00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:28,636
who knew the Queen of England.
526
00:31:29,512 --> 00:31:32,807
Ghislaine Maxwell met Prince Andrew
while she was studying at Oxford.
527
00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:35,810
And because of her father's business ties,
528
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:39,314
she was already running around
in circles with Royals.
529
00:31:39,898 --> 00:31:41,900
-[faint laughter]
-[indistinct chatter]
530
00:31:44,986 --> 00:31:46,821
[Rellie] Sometime in the late '90s,
531
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:49,866
Ghislaine said,
"My old friend Andrew's in town."
532
00:31:49,949 --> 00:31:51,451
"Will you come for dinner?"
533
00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:53,202
I said, "Of course.
I'd love to. Thank you."
534
00:31:54,370 --> 00:32:00,877
And I remember Prince Andrew
being distinctly bored by the whole thing.
535
00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:06,341
And it was almost, sort of, competitive
between, uh, Epstein and Prince Andrew
536
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:11,763
as to who could seem more haughty
and bored and… and disdainful
537
00:32:11,846 --> 00:32:13,014
of the whole event.
538
00:32:15,058 --> 00:32:17,518
I remember Andrew cheering up a tiny bit
539
00:32:17,602 --> 00:32:20,688
when there was a younger female
sitting and talking to him
540
00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:23,816
and otherwise having
practically no interest
541
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:25,818
in anything else or anyone else.
542
00:32:26,945 --> 00:32:29,072
It was a sort of unhealthy scene.
543
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:32,951
[grim music playing]
544
00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:36,120
[Mason] The story I started hearing was
545
00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:41,542
that apparently… Jeffrey Epstein
kind of likes younger women
546
00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:46,381
and that he kind of likes,
um… schoolgirls,
547
00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,800
um, uh… and that
548
00:32:49,884 --> 00:32:53,179
Ghislaine introduces him to girls
549
00:32:53,262 --> 00:32:55,807
because that's… He… That's his thing.
550
00:32:55,890 --> 00:32:57,892
[somber music playing]
551
00:33:01,354 --> 00:33:04,607
And people were speculating that Ghislaine
552
00:33:04,691 --> 00:33:08,653
was hanging out with seniors
553
00:33:08,736 --> 00:33:13,282
at a very fancy private girls school
on the Upper East Side
554
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:15,952
and that
555
00:33:17,328 --> 00:33:20,289
she was introducing these girls
to Jeffrey.
556
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:26,504
Just seemed deeply weird.
557
00:33:26,587 --> 00:33:30,550
Why would Ghislaine be dating a guy
who liked younger women?
558
00:33:31,968 --> 00:33:35,763
[Rellie] Girls I knew
had talked about being invited for tea,
559
00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:39,434
and they didn't always want
to talk more than that.
560
00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:41,728
So, I got the sense, at the time,
561
00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:46,816
that there was something… a bit strange.
562
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:52,363
[Mason] In retrospect,
it seems so horrific
563
00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,949
to think that we were hearing about this,
564
00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:58,911
and we weren't outraged.
565
00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:02,248
But honestly, it just seemed like…
566
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:05,376
flirtation.
567
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:10,214
But what the hell was I thinking?
What were we all thinking?
568
00:34:15,094 --> 00:34:15,928
[cars honking]
569
00:34:16,804 --> 00:34:23,144
In 1997, Ghislaine had contacted me
and asked me to meet her at her apartment.
570
00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:25,229
[grim music playing]
571
00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:29,692
[elevator dings]
572
00:34:29,776 --> 00:34:35,490
[Oxenberg] She started off very confident,
saying, "I'm going to change your life."
573
00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:39,327
"I'm gonna give you a lot of money,
and you're gonna meet everyone."
574
00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:43,748
And then she asked me
to help her write her book.
575
00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:48,711
She says, "I want you
to live with me for a full year
576
00:34:48,795 --> 00:34:51,172
so you can learn everything about me."
577
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:55,510
She's staring out the window
somewhat dramatically.
578
00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,679
She says, "You have to write
this book for me."
579
00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:02,642
She says, "Because I want Jeffrey
to marry me."
580
00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:09,816
And she says, "I need for Jeffrey
to see me in a more elevated light,
581
00:35:09,899 --> 00:35:14,362
and I believe that with this book,
that will be achieved."
582
00:35:15,655 --> 00:35:18,241
And then she starts to tell me
583
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:24,789
that Jeffrey has been medically diagnosed
by the best doctors in the world,
584
00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:27,959
and he needs three orgasms a day.
585
00:35:29,168 --> 00:35:31,045
At this point, I realize… [chuckling]
586
00:35:31,838 --> 00:35:33,381
Um… I…
587
00:35:33,881 --> 00:35:37,343
"Am I on drugs?
Is she on drugs? What is going on?"
588
00:35:37,426 --> 00:35:40,054
I'm also thinking to myself,
589
00:35:40,138 --> 00:35:44,642
"Which chapter does she want me
to put that in? I mean, is this for real?"
590
00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:48,521
Then she says she picks up
591
00:35:48,604 --> 00:35:50,982
three girls a day for Jeffrey.
592
00:35:51,899 --> 00:35:56,654
And the phrase that she used,
which she thought explained it all was,
593
00:35:56,737 --> 00:35:59,657
"I cannot keep up with his needs."
594
00:36:00,783 --> 00:36:06,289
"I drive around. I search for a girl
that looks like Jeffrey's type."
595
00:36:06,372 --> 00:36:07,957
"And then I go and make a deal
596
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,837
and ask them if they'd like to give him
a massage for a couple of hundred bucks."
597
00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:18,092
And I say, "Who are these girls?
Who are you talking about?"
598
00:36:18,926 --> 00:36:22,054
And she says… And this is such a reveal.
599
00:36:22,138 --> 00:36:24,182
She says, "They are nothing."
600
00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:25,516
"They are trash."
601
00:36:27,018 --> 00:36:28,436
And it tells you everything.
602
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:32,732
It tells you everything about
how she compartmentalized people.
603
00:36:33,399 --> 00:36:37,612
I mean, she's not even acknowledging them
as human beings.
604
00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:41,574
And of course, I didn't know
we were talking about children.
605
00:36:41,657 --> 00:36:44,243
Had I, I would've called the police then.
606
00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:45,953
[cars honking]
607
00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:54,128
[Couturier] I think that society people
are quite protective of their own.
608
00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:58,424
You know, if somebody you know
has secrets that--
609
00:36:59,008 --> 00:37:00,718
Secrets ought not to be talked about.
610
00:37:01,344 --> 00:37:03,221
People would tend to be silent.
611
00:37:03,304 --> 00:37:04,347
[indistinct chatter]
612
00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:09,727
[foreboding music playing]
613
00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:14,690
[security alarm ringing]
614
00:37:14,774 --> 00:37:15,942
[metal doors clanging]
615
00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:22,698
[reporter 1] Ghislaine Maxwell
has been in a Brooklyn jail cell
616
00:37:22,782 --> 00:37:24,992
since her arrest in July of last year.
617
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:28,621
[reporter 2] And as the world
awaits her fate, we're all wondering,
618
00:37:28,704 --> 00:37:34,710
will this formally missing puzzle piece
sing like a bird or suffer in silence?
619
00:37:36,045 --> 00:37:39,632
There are those who say Ghislaine
might have "other dirt"
620
00:37:39,715 --> 00:37:41,300
on other powerful men.
621
00:37:41,384 --> 00:37:42,260
Thoughts on that?
622
00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:46,639
No question about it. Uh, Maxwell knows
where a lot of the bodies are buried.
623
00:37:46,722 --> 00:37:52,311
If I was somebody who had participated
in their sex trafficking,
624
00:37:52,395 --> 00:37:55,439
um, I would not be sleeping
easily tonight.
625
00:37:57,441 --> 00:38:00,194
Now, she's at the top of the pyramid,
626
00:38:00,903 --> 00:38:03,072
and if she doesn't do a plea deal,
627
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:08,160
uh… she is facing
maybe the rest of her life in jail.
628
00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:11,372
Unattractive though it may be,
629
00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:14,250
at some point, you have to face reality.
630
00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:18,754
There is going to come a point in time,
if it hasn't happened already,
631
00:38:18,838 --> 00:38:20,298
and I'd be shocked if it hasn't,
632
00:38:20,381 --> 00:38:25,344
when the prosecutors are going to offer
Ghislaine Maxwell some plea deal.
633
00:38:25,428 --> 00:38:29,515
Uh, it's going to consist
of many, many years in prison.
634
00:38:31,017 --> 00:38:34,228
I don't know what
Ghislaine Maxwell's pain threshold is,
635
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:36,647
if she's gonna roll the dice
and go to trial.
636
00:38:36,731 --> 00:38:41,110
But if it seems like
something that's tolerable to her
637
00:38:41,193 --> 00:38:46,198
and less than what she would likely get
if she goes to trial and loses,
638
00:38:46,282 --> 00:38:49,952
I'd imagine that Ghislaine Maxwell
is going to consider taking it,
639
00:38:50,036 --> 00:38:55,082
because the credibility of the victims
testifying against her is very high.
640
00:38:58,044 --> 00:39:00,046
[foreboding music playing]
641
00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:06,427
[Annie Farmer] I knew of Epstein
and Maxwell before I met them,
642
00:39:06,510 --> 00:39:09,347
because my sister, Maria,
was working for Epstein,
643
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:14,769
and she had described him
as a very generous patron of the arts
644
00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:17,521
and someone who was interested
in supporting people
645
00:39:17,605 --> 00:39:19,690
who were pursuing higher education.
646
00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:24,195
One of the things Epstein brought up
was that it might be beneficial for me
647
00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:28,032
to do something to make
my college application stand out.
648
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,204
And so he talked about
taking a trip abroad.
649
00:39:33,287 --> 00:39:37,333
He said he would financially help me
with a trip like that.
650
00:39:37,416 --> 00:39:41,170
And I was really excited
about that possibility.
651
00:39:43,005 --> 00:39:46,634
And so arrangements were made
for me to fly to New Mexico
652
00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:50,304
to meet with Epstein
and Maxwell on Epstein's ranch.
653
00:39:51,806 --> 00:39:56,602
They were both really warm
and excited for me to be there
654
00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:59,522
and immediately started
giving me a tour of the property.
655
00:40:00,481 --> 00:40:02,983
It was very impressive, and right away,
656
00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:06,195
I felt like I was sort of swept
into this world of theirs.
657
00:40:07,613 --> 00:40:09,281
But I soon realized
658
00:40:09,365 --> 00:40:13,160
that I was the only other person
staying at the ranch with them
659
00:40:13,244 --> 00:40:16,872
and tried to just, you know,
convince myself that this was normal,
660
00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:19,083
and this would still be a good experience.
661
00:40:20,793 --> 00:40:24,213
They took me into town to a Western store
662
00:40:24,296 --> 00:40:26,924
where they had me pick out
some cowboy boots.
663
00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:31,554
So they really made a lot of effort
to make me feel special.
664
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:35,599
But once we returned from shopping,
665
00:40:35,683 --> 00:40:38,894
there were moments
when things were very uncomfortable.
666
00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:43,315
One was when Maxwell said
that it was important
667
00:40:43,399 --> 00:40:45,860
that I learn how to rub Epstein's feet.
668
00:40:45,943 --> 00:40:48,946
So, she took one foot
and had me take his other foot
669
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:51,532
and showed me how to massage them.
670
00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:55,578
And I, uh… you know,
was not… was not wanting to do this,
671
00:40:55,661 --> 00:40:58,456
but it seemed like this was just expected.
672
00:41:00,124 --> 00:41:04,253
Maxwell talked quite a bit
about massage, generally.
673
00:41:05,379 --> 00:41:10,468
And she said that
she would be happy to give me a massage.
674
00:41:10,551 --> 00:41:12,219
Eventually, I said, "Okay."
675
00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:17,099
And so, she got out her massage table
and set it up in my bedroom
676
00:41:17,808 --> 00:41:21,687
and asked me to undress
and lay on the table.
677
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:24,773
Once I was on my back
and she had pulled the sheet down,
678
00:41:24,857 --> 00:41:26,734
she touched my breasts.
679
00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:30,112
And I felt very uncomfortable
680
00:41:30,196 --> 00:41:34,742
and was, you know, just thinking about
wanting to get off of that massage table
681
00:41:34,825 --> 00:41:36,160
and have this be done.
682
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:41,081
The next morning,
Epstein came into the bedroom
683
00:41:41,165 --> 00:41:45,044
and, uh, said that he wanted
to cuddle with me.
684
00:41:45,127 --> 00:41:48,172
And so he, you know, got into bed with me
685
00:41:48,756 --> 00:41:51,717
and held me from behind.
686
00:41:52,593 --> 00:41:57,264
This was now a situation that I knew
in the pit of my stomach was not right.
687
00:41:58,349 --> 00:42:02,394
That was very scary, because I realized
that I was very isolated.
688
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:04,647
I didn't know what else might happen next.
689
00:42:05,231 --> 00:42:08,317
I just wanted to try
to get away as soon as possible.
690
00:42:10,778 --> 00:42:14,865
This incident, of course, did affect me.
691
00:42:14,949 --> 00:42:16,659
It was over 25 years ago,
692
00:42:16,742 --> 00:42:19,286
and it's heartbreaking to think
how things could've been different
693
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:20,704
if someone had listened
694
00:42:20,788 --> 00:42:24,166
when my sister reported
Epstein and Maxwell.
695
00:42:29,046 --> 00:42:31,048
[foreboding music playing]
696
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:34,552
[wind gusting]
697
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,555
[somber music playing]
698
00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:47,064
[woman] This is the victim file. I wanna…
699
00:42:47,147 --> 00:42:51,068
I began working with survivors
of Jeffrey Epstein in 2007.
700
00:42:51,151 --> 00:42:54,655
I had two survivors
referred to me by the FBI.
701
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,285
And then, I had the opportunity of getting
to know some of the attorneys in the area
702
00:42:59,368 --> 00:43:02,955
who were working with victims,
who referred more victims to me.
703
00:43:03,038 --> 00:43:07,626
I have treated survivors
who have been manipulated by Ghislaine.
704
00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:11,630
With the upcoming trial
being only months away,
705
00:43:11,714 --> 00:43:14,008
I'm really concerned about how significant
706
00:43:14,091 --> 00:43:17,595
the triggers are going to be
for the survivors.
707
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:22,308
When Jeffrey Epstein
was arrested again in 2019,
708
00:43:22,391 --> 00:43:25,311
a number of the survivors
returned to therapy,
709
00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:28,814
because many of their memories
were triggered.
710
00:43:28,897 --> 00:43:33,527
Many were experiencing a number
of trauma reactions and flashbacks,
711
00:43:33,611 --> 00:43:37,323
and it brought them back to the abuse that
they endured by Jeffrey and Ghislaine.
712
00:43:38,699 --> 00:43:43,412
Hearing Ghislaine Maxwell's name
on the news can produce memories.
713
00:43:43,495 --> 00:43:47,166
These triggers can have
all of these symptoms to resurface.
714
00:43:48,584 --> 00:43:50,669
When somebody has been sexually abused,
715
00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:53,297
it doesn't matter
if it was 20 years ago or 50 years ago.
716
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,342
This is something
that will never be forgotten.
717
00:43:59,428 --> 00:44:01,513
[foreboding music playing]
718
00:44:04,975 --> 00:44:07,519
[Stein] After the assault
in that hotel room,
719
00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:12,524
I wanted to completely forget
Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
720
00:44:13,442 --> 00:44:16,862
So, I went to another high-end retailer
in Manhattan.
721
00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:20,449
And I wasn't there for very long
722
00:44:20,532 --> 00:44:24,370
when Ghislaine Maxwell
came into the store one day.
723
00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:28,165
And I asked her,
"How did you find me here?"
724
00:44:28,248 --> 00:44:32,002
And she said that some of the people
that I worked with had told her
725
00:44:32,086 --> 00:44:33,003
that I had moved on.
726
00:44:34,004 --> 00:44:36,840
She again encouraged the friendship.
727
00:44:36,924 --> 00:44:39,551
Uh, we started talking again.
728
00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:42,262
And she began to invite me out socially.
729
00:44:42,888 --> 00:44:45,891
And I tried to stave off her advances.
730
00:44:45,974 --> 00:44:49,144
I tried to make excuses
for why I couldn't do things.
731
00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:51,980
But she knew everyone in fashion,
732
00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:55,567
and I understood how important it was
733
00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:58,612
for my future to not upset them.
734
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,115
[cars honking]
735
00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:03,325
One minute, I was Ghislaine's best friend,
736
00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:05,327
and the next minute,
I was her worst enemy.
737
00:45:05,411 --> 00:45:08,664
She was making me question myself
738
00:45:09,248 --> 00:45:13,419
so that she and Jeffrey
could use me for their purposes.
739
00:45:14,962 --> 00:45:18,590
But I knew what was happening
between us was not right.
740
00:45:21,552 --> 00:45:24,888
Every time I tried to get away from them,
they found me.
741
00:45:26,014 --> 00:45:28,434
I would change phone numbers,
742
00:45:29,309 --> 00:45:30,561
locations.
743
00:45:31,311 --> 00:45:35,107
There was nothing that I could do
to get away from them.
744
00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:38,527
So, there was a lot of fear,
745
00:45:39,153 --> 00:45:40,320
and they were connected
746
00:45:40,404 --> 00:45:42,823
to some of the most powerful people
in the world.
747
00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:47,202
I knew that if I told anyone,
my life was in danger.
748
00:45:50,789 --> 00:45:55,544
I think the pursuit of me was definitely
a game to Ghislaine and Jeffrey.
749
00:45:56,378 --> 00:45:59,173
And finally after three years
of harassment,
750
00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:02,259
Ghislaine and Jeffrey stopped pursuing me.
751
00:46:06,472 --> 00:46:09,516
[Rellie] Ghislaine was in love
with Jeffrey.
752
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,436
She was so spellbound by him.
753
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:17,024
And my impression was Ghislaine
would have done anything for… for Jeffrey.
754
00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:21,612
I always, like, thought it was
really weird that they never ended up,
755
00:46:21,695 --> 00:46:23,238
you know, getting married.
756
00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:25,073
I did think that was strange, like…
757
00:46:25,824 --> 00:46:28,577
You know, it's like,
"What is going on in this relationship?"
758
00:46:29,495 --> 00:46:33,415
[Rellie] But Ghislaine also played
this kind of hybrid role
759
00:46:33,499 --> 00:46:35,793
as social fixer,
760
00:46:35,876 --> 00:46:37,169
social secretary.
761
00:46:37,753 --> 00:46:40,088
And the notion was that they had dated,
762
00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:42,841
and sometime in the late '90s,
they stopped.
763
00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:45,344
But now they were best friends.
764
00:46:46,011 --> 00:46:50,724
The way that it felt
that she was doing the job of a wife
765
00:46:50,808 --> 00:46:54,728
without, you know, having
an intimate relationship with him anymore.
766
00:46:56,855 --> 00:46:59,983
[Wyatt] I think she was too old
for Jeffrey Epstein.
767
00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:02,694
He really liked much younger girls.
768
00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:06,949
But there was this bond between them,
769
00:47:07,032 --> 00:47:09,326
and she needed money.
770
00:47:09,409 --> 00:47:12,996
She couldn't feel secure
without Epstein's money.
771
00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:17,125
It felt that she was entrapped
in that whole thing.
772
00:47:17,209 --> 00:47:19,503
It was the price that she had to pay.
773
00:47:20,462 --> 00:47:23,006
She basically played a role of a madame.
774
00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:27,177
[somber music playing]
775
00:47:31,098 --> 00:47:33,100
[wind gusting]
776
00:47:34,893 --> 00:47:37,271
[Kogan] Ghislaine didn't only groom
underage girls.
777
00:47:37,354 --> 00:47:40,023
Many, many victims
were just barely the age of consent
778
00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:41,483
yet considered adults legally,
779
00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:44,778
so they can't testify
in Ghislaine's upcoming trial.
780
00:47:46,488 --> 00:47:48,407
A victim who is over the age of 21,
781
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:51,493
they feel it's their responsibility,
and they made the decision.
782
00:47:51,577 --> 00:47:52,995
They blame themselves.
783
00:47:53,954 --> 00:47:56,957
And these women often have
a harder time coming forward to get help
784
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,709
or talk about what happened.
785
00:48:01,169 --> 00:48:03,505
[woman] It is the first time
I'm speaking out.
786
00:48:04,172 --> 00:48:05,507
I wanted to tell my story,
787
00:48:05,591 --> 00:48:10,345
but I'm just not ready
to completely expose myself.
788
00:48:10,429 --> 00:48:13,181
I have gone through therapy,
789
00:48:13,265 --> 00:48:18,353
and I wanted people to know
that it's okay to talk about it.
790
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:25,569
In my twenties,
I was a licensed massage therapist,
791
00:48:25,652 --> 00:48:29,865
and that's when
I first met Jeffrey and Ghislaine.
792
00:48:30,866 --> 00:48:35,454
Ghislaine asked me to do things
while I was massaging Jeffrey.
793
00:48:35,537 --> 00:48:40,125
And I said I didn't feel comfortable,
794
00:48:40,208 --> 00:48:44,713
and she's like, "Well, why wouldn't you?
It's… it's just part of the body."
795
00:48:45,297 --> 00:48:49,551
"This is what a man needs
in order to have a complete massage."
796
00:48:50,469 --> 00:48:53,639
And I just felt as though
I couldn't say no
797
00:48:54,306 --> 00:48:57,684
because I was abused when I was younger.
798
00:48:58,644 --> 00:49:01,647
So when the abuse started,
799
00:49:01,730 --> 00:49:04,399
I did exactly what I did
when I was a little girl.
800
00:49:04,483 --> 00:49:06,985
I just detached, and I became numb,
801
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:08,820
and I just did it.
802
00:49:09,404 --> 00:49:12,574
When you've been abused younger,
803
00:49:12,658 --> 00:49:17,579
you don't have the ability
to just say, "No."
804
00:49:20,207 --> 00:49:25,212
There were times when I was exposed
to someone other than Jeffrey.
805
00:49:25,712 --> 00:49:32,260
Some were CEOs and founders
of large, well-known brand companies.
806
00:49:32,344 --> 00:49:34,179
Some of them were politicians.
807
00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:36,556
And the expectations were
808
00:49:37,474 --> 00:49:41,144
do what you do for Jeffrey.
809
00:49:41,728 --> 00:49:45,649
Ghislaine got off on this.
She empowered herself with that.
810
00:49:45,732 --> 00:49:47,025
And she knew
811
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:53,740
that she was also going to make
these high-powered men happy.
812
00:49:53,824 --> 00:49:56,576
She was being validated.
813
00:49:57,703 --> 00:50:00,956
Felt as though
Ghislaine was worse than Jeffrey.
814
00:50:03,917 --> 00:50:08,130
One time, I was finished
giving Jeffrey a massage,
815
00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:13,301
and Ghislaine came in,
and I was not expecting her.
816
00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:15,762
She handed me the $200,
817
00:50:16,263 --> 00:50:20,434
and then she started
taking off my clothes.
818
00:50:21,143 --> 00:50:27,065
Then she proceeded to… start things
819
00:50:27,149 --> 00:50:29,443
I didn't want to happen.
820
00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:31,236
And…
821
00:50:33,238 --> 00:50:34,531
I was just numb.
822
00:50:34,614 --> 00:50:36,700
I didn't have any words. [voice breaks]
823
00:50:38,285 --> 00:50:39,536
And that's why…
824
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:44,166
That's why, when all of this came out,
825
00:50:44,249 --> 00:50:45,292
I remember,
826
00:50:46,084 --> 00:50:50,088
it's not so much Jeffrey
as it was Ghislaine
827
00:50:50,172 --> 00:50:53,175
because she was just the one
that was guiding it all
828
00:50:53,258 --> 00:50:54,634
and leading it all.
829
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:58,930
And I just kept on talking
to myself through this
830
00:51:00,474 --> 00:51:02,392
and holding back the tears.
831
00:51:03,602 --> 00:51:05,771
The whole thing just sucks.
832
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:11,026
[sobs, sniffles]
833
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:13,111
[somber music playing]
834
00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:20,577
Female abusers comprise about 5%
of the sexual crimes that are reported.
835
00:51:20,660 --> 00:51:21,953
Um, so it's a low number.
836
00:51:23,163 --> 00:51:28,043
Ghislaine Maxwell doesn't necessarily
fit the mold of a female abuser.
837
00:51:28,126 --> 00:51:30,587
You know, class can cloud reality.
838
00:51:30,670 --> 00:51:35,634
So, somebody who looks like Ghislaine,
well-dressed, beautifully put-together,
839
00:51:35,717 --> 00:51:41,056
it will give more victims the opportunity
to relax and let their guard down.
840
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,809
This one is good. That's ready.
841
00:51:43,892 --> 00:51:46,603
So, it was very easy for Ghislaine,
842
00:51:46,686 --> 00:51:49,064
because of how she presents herself,
843
00:51:49,147 --> 00:51:55,028
to take advantage of these victims
and groom them so successfully.
844
00:51:56,613 --> 00:51:59,324
Based on the survivors that I treat
845
00:51:59,407 --> 00:52:02,035
and with everything
that I have read about Ghislaine,
846
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:06,498
Ghislaine exhibits characteristics
of that of a psychopath.
847
00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:10,919
Characteristics like inability
to maintain healthy relationships,
848
00:52:11,002 --> 00:52:14,756
uh, manipulation, deception, bullying.
849
00:52:15,465 --> 00:52:17,759
She also exhibits signs of a narcissist.
850
00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:19,427
That sense of entitlement,
851
00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:23,723
the sense of, "I want power
and control at any cost."
852
00:52:28,895 --> 00:52:32,065
[reporter] A judge has denied bail
for Ghislaine Maxwell
853
00:52:32,149 --> 00:52:34,943
with the concern
that she is a flight risk.
854
00:52:35,026 --> 00:52:37,612
The judge in Maxwell's case
recently determined
855
00:52:37,696 --> 00:52:40,532
that Maxwell still has
international connections,
856
00:52:40,615 --> 00:52:43,660
funding, and experience evading detection.
857
00:52:44,619 --> 00:52:46,454
[McCawley] Six times thus far,
858
00:52:46,538 --> 00:52:49,291
bail has been denied
in Ghislaine Maxwell's case.
859
00:52:49,374 --> 00:52:52,335
And the basis for that
is a number of things.
860
00:52:52,419 --> 00:52:55,338
She is charged with crimes against minors,
861
00:52:55,422 --> 00:52:59,551
and that does have a much higher
standard with respect to getting bail.
862
00:53:00,385 --> 00:53:03,513
[Briquelet] In the eyes of the public,
Ghislaine is a monster.
863
00:53:03,597 --> 00:53:07,392
And so, Ghislaine's family
needed a way to counteract this narrative.
864
00:53:07,976 --> 00:53:11,521
And they built a website
called Realghislaine.com.
865
00:53:12,814 --> 00:53:16,776
Imagine yourself arrested
and imprisoned in solitary confinement,
866
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,321
deprived of bail for nine months.
867
00:53:19,404 --> 00:53:21,948
Whatever your feelings
about the allegations,
868
00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:24,743
she's entitled to a fair trial,
869
00:53:24,826 --> 00:53:27,787
to due process
and to the presumption of innocence.
870
00:53:28,663 --> 00:53:32,167
My brothers and sisters and I
will never stop fighting for Ghislaine.
871
00:53:35,295 --> 00:53:37,672
[Boies] We've got what looks like
a new development.
872
00:53:37,756 --> 00:53:39,549
Uh, you may have seen this already.
873
00:53:39,633 --> 00:53:43,303
Maxwell's lawyers are asking
for all of our files.
874
00:53:43,386 --> 00:53:45,805
A lot of discovery that
they're not ever entitled to get.
875
00:53:45,889 --> 00:53:47,140
It looks incredibly broad.
876
00:53:47,224 --> 00:53:48,934
I mean, they're seeking all of our files
877
00:53:49,017 --> 00:53:51,144
for all of the victims
that we ever represented.
878
00:53:51,228 --> 00:53:53,772
That would be, you know,
giving over records
879
00:53:53,855 --> 00:53:56,274
of individuals
who weren't even ever public.
880
00:53:56,358 --> 00:53:59,527
[Boies] They don't have a right
to pore through our files
881
00:53:59,611 --> 00:54:02,906
and just see what they can find
to embarrass some of our clients.
882
00:54:02,989 --> 00:54:04,407
It's a fishing expedition.
883
00:54:04,491 --> 00:54:06,576
They don't know
whether there's anything there.
884
00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:10,455
They just figure the more stuff they get,
maybe they'll find something they can use.
885
00:54:10,538 --> 00:54:12,832
And I… And I… And I think to some extent,
886
00:54:12,916 --> 00:54:15,877
it… it shows the Court
how desperate they are.
887
00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:18,588
[pensive music playing]
888
00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:23,134
[Annie Farmer]
I hope that Maxwell is held accountable
889
00:54:23,218 --> 00:54:26,680
and that she sees jail time
for what she's done.
890
00:54:26,763 --> 00:54:32,018
But we know that she has a history
of evading, uh… evading justice.
891
00:54:33,186 --> 00:54:38,817
[man] Annie first told me
about Epstein and Maxwell in 2004.
892
00:54:39,317 --> 00:54:41,695
So Epstein and Maxwell have…
893
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,657
have been a big part
of our lives for years.
894
00:54:46,741 --> 00:54:49,244
I've been married to Annie for 14 years.
895
00:54:49,911 --> 00:54:54,124
We met 18 years ago in Bethel, Alaska,
896
00:54:54,624 --> 00:54:57,127
where she was a children's advocate.
897
00:54:57,919 --> 00:55:00,672
And it took me, kind of, years
to… to get to a… a point
898
00:55:00,755 --> 00:55:04,217
where I kind of understand
how best to support Annie.
899
00:55:05,468 --> 00:55:08,221
I'm definitely nervous. As it gets closer,
900
00:55:08,305 --> 00:55:10,015
I'm a little more nervous.
901
00:55:10,098 --> 00:55:11,641
I did talk to Sigrid,
902
00:55:11,725 --> 00:55:14,060
and I think we're gonna have
a conversation
903
00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:16,271
with the government attorneys
sometime soon.
904
00:55:16,354 --> 00:55:18,356
It's hard not to feel some pressure
905
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,611
just 'cause I know so many people,
uh, want to see justice.
906
00:55:24,195 --> 00:55:26,781
Is there any, like, feedback
they've given you
907
00:55:26,865 --> 00:55:30,368
or… or, like, advice
in terms of being on the stand?
908
00:55:30,452 --> 00:55:33,621
I think mostly to slow down.
909
00:55:33,705 --> 00:55:35,790
Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
910
00:55:35,874 --> 00:55:39,044
And just to really listen to the questions
911
00:55:39,127 --> 00:55:41,796
because… especially
during cross-examination, right?
912
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:47,010
They try and confuse you or ask you things
that, um… you know, might throw you off.
913
00:55:47,093 --> 00:55:51,222
I want to do as good a job as I can
in telling my story clearly
914
00:55:51,306 --> 00:55:53,725
so that the jury understands
915
00:55:53,808 --> 00:55:57,937
this predatory behavior
and that she's held accountable.
916
00:55:58,772 --> 00:55:59,981
I think you'll do great.
917
00:56:02,817 --> 00:56:04,819
[somber music playing]
918
00:56:06,154 --> 00:56:08,073
[foreboding music playing]
919
00:56:09,616 --> 00:56:11,576
[seagulls squawking]
920
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:15,872
[Edwards] Jeffrey Epstein
had a very precise system
921
00:56:15,955 --> 00:56:19,334
for grooming and abusing young girls,
922
00:56:19,417 --> 00:56:23,129
and that was a system that was established
923
00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:24,923
through Ghislaine Maxwell.
924
00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:28,968
And for a time period in Florida,
925
00:56:29,052 --> 00:56:31,930
Ghislaine was able
to introduce Jeffrey Epstein
926
00:56:32,430 --> 00:56:34,015
to young females,
927
00:56:34,516 --> 00:56:39,104
and these people
start being abused by Jeffrey Epstein,
928
00:56:39,187 --> 00:56:41,439
and the pyramid begins.
929
00:56:41,940 --> 00:56:45,193
Those females were instructed
to go get other females,
930
00:56:45,276 --> 00:56:50,073
and it began growing
into this sex-trafficking operation.
931
00:56:51,991 --> 00:56:53,660
[Palmeri] Starting in the early 2000s,
932
00:56:53,743 --> 00:56:57,080
the local police in Palm Beach
became aware of Jeffrey Epstein.
933
00:56:57,664 --> 00:56:59,374
There was suspicious activity.
934
00:56:59,457 --> 00:57:02,460
There were young girls in taxis,
935
00:57:02,544 --> 00:57:07,382
crossing the bridge from West Palm Beach
to the very wealthy Palm Beach.
936
00:57:08,466 --> 00:57:13,054
He had actually created
a sex-trafficking pyramid scheme
937
00:57:13,138 --> 00:57:15,974
in a local high school,
and it was starting to get out.
938
00:57:17,183 --> 00:57:19,561
[reporter 1] A New York billionaire
with a home in Palm Beach
939
00:57:19,644 --> 00:57:21,020
is at the center of a scandal.
940
00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:23,022
He's charged with soliciting a prostitute.
941
00:57:23,106 --> 00:57:26,317
[reporter 2] The voluminous
22-page probable-cause affidavit
942
00:57:26,401 --> 00:57:29,070
details in graphic language
alleged sexual encounters
943
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:32,449
between billionaire Jeffrey Epstein
and several under-18 girls
944
00:57:32,532 --> 00:57:36,494
at his seven-million-dollar
358 El Brillo Way home in Palm Beach.
945
00:57:37,328 --> 00:57:38,872
[Boies] When Epstein was first arrested,
946
00:57:39,539 --> 00:57:44,085
it's hard to know why Maxwell
was not arrested at the same time.
947
00:57:45,003 --> 00:57:48,756
[Edwards]
One of the detectives that I deposed
948
00:57:49,257 --> 00:57:53,094
testified that he attempted
949
00:57:53,178 --> 00:57:56,097
to contact and interview Ghislaine Maxwell
950
00:57:56,181 --> 00:57:58,057
and got no cooperation.
951
00:57:58,975 --> 00:58:01,936
[McCawley] But her name
is listed in the police materials.
952
00:58:02,020 --> 00:58:04,314
She's on bank accounts
with that house in Florida.
953
00:58:04,397 --> 00:58:07,192
She's in message pads,
going back and forth
954
00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:10,528
showing that she's at the location,
even though she says she wasn't.
955
00:58:10,612 --> 00:58:13,364
And that's why investigators
were interested in trying to talk to her.
956
00:58:13,948 --> 00:58:16,284
How she evaded it is another story.
957
00:58:18,703 --> 00:58:22,373
[Boies] Epstein himself got
essentially a slap on the wrist.
958
00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,502
He spent only a year in jail.
959
00:58:26,002 --> 00:58:30,465
This was one of the worst miscarriages
of justice that I've seen.
960
00:58:31,049 --> 00:58:33,176
[reporter 3]
A secret non-prosecution agreement
961
00:58:33,259 --> 00:58:36,763
kept Epstein and his coconspirators
from being charged
962
00:58:36,846 --> 00:58:39,766
with federal sex crimes
in the Southern District of Florida.
963
00:58:40,266 --> 00:58:43,353
[McCawley] And that's the story here
that we've seen go on for so long
964
00:58:43,436 --> 00:58:44,729
of power and privilege.
965
00:58:44,812 --> 00:58:48,900
That the powerful and the privileged
were able to avoid being held accountable
966
00:58:48,983 --> 00:58:50,068
in this circumstance.
967
00:58:50,985 --> 00:58:54,113
[Edwards] The person Jeffrey Epstein
wanted to protect the most
968
00:58:54,197 --> 00:58:56,115
was Ghislaine Maxwell.
969
00:58:56,199 --> 00:59:00,828
He had to know that
if Ghislaine Maxwell ever flipped on him,
970
00:59:00,912 --> 00:59:01,871
then he was cooked.
971
00:59:02,622 --> 00:59:05,083
She essentially stopped coming to Florida
972
00:59:05,166 --> 00:59:11,422
and began to create significant buffers
between her and Epstein.
973
00:59:11,506 --> 00:59:14,092
But we know that
there was still a relationship
974
00:59:14,175 --> 00:59:16,261
between Ghislaine and Jeffrey
975
00:59:16,344 --> 00:59:19,931
because we have pictures of them
in 2006 and 2007.
976
00:59:22,267 --> 00:59:26,813
I was 22 years old
when I first met Ghislaine in 2006.
977
00:59:27,689 --> 00:59:33,069
These are the photos that were taken
during the time that Ghislaine had said
978
00:59:33,152 --> 00:59:35,405
that she was slowly phasing out
of Jeffrey's life.
979
00:59:35,488 --> 00:59:38,950
And my photos clearly indicate
980
00:59:39,033 --> 00:59:41,869
that that was not the case.
981
00:59:41,953 --> 00:59:44,831
Ghislaine was very much
a part of Jeffrey's life.
982
00:59:46,708 --> 00:59:49,794
Ghislaine was always on her phone,
always organizing.
983
00:59:50,336 --> 00:59:53,756
At this stage,
Ghislaine didn't need to go on the prowl
984
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,675
for new victims for Jeffrey,
985
00:59:56,175 --> 01:00:00,513
because Ghislaine effectively started
training and recruiting other girls,
986
01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:03,141
and then they would train
and recruit other girls.
987
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,021
I was in a nightclub
988
01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:13,526
when I was targeted
and befriended by a girl my age.
989
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:18,489
A couple days later,
my new friend invited me to join her
990
01:00:18,573 --> 01:00:21,784
and another group of girls
to go to the Virgin Islands.
991
01:00:22,452 --> 01:00:26,456
And the island was owned
by Jeffrey Epstein.
992
01:00:28,041 --> 01:00:30,752
I remember Ghislaine
getting off the helicopter,
993
01:00:30,835 --> 01:00:33,630
and I said to her, "Hi, I'm… I'm Sarah."
994
01:00:33,713 --> 01:00:37,675
And she looked me up and down
as if I was invisible,
995
01:00:38,926 --> 01:00:40,803
as if I didn't even exist.
996
01:00:42,972 --> 01:00:46,017
I had been on the island for a few days.
997
01:00:47,018 --> 01:00:48,645
I was sitting on the patio,
998
01:00:48,728 --> 01:00:53,066
and Ghislaine marched over
and grabbed my arm
999
01:00:53,608 --> 01:00:57,612
and forced me into Jeffrey's room,
1000
01:00:57,695 --> 01:00:58,863
where I was raped.
1001
01:01:00,990 --> 01:01:05,078
She knew exactly
what was going to happen to me.
1002
01:01:05,161 --> 01:01:09,499
She is as guilty as Jeffrey, if not more.
1003
01:01:12,085 --> 01:01:16,339
So many young girls were abused
during that period of time.
1004
01:01:17,632 --> 01:01:20,927
There was an arrogance there.
They just thought they were above the law.
1005
01:01:21,010 --> 01:01:23,805
They'd gotten away with it so long,
for years and years,
1006
01:01:23,888 --> 01:01:27,266
hiding in plain sight
the sex trafficking that was going on.
1007
01:01:28,476 --> 01:01:32,689
[Palmeri] But life changes dramatically
for Ghislaine Maxwell in 2011,
1008
01:01:32,772 --> 01:01:35,525
when an underaged victim
named Virginia Roberts
1009
01:01:35,608 --> 01:01:38,820
decides to come out publicly
and name Ghislaine Maxwell
1010
01:01:38,903 --> 01:01:40,530
as Epstein's partner in crime.
1011
01:01:40,613 --> 01:01:42,240
[tense music playing]
1012
01:01:42,323 --> 01:01:44,701
[McCawley]
In 2000, my client, Virginia Giuffre,
1013
01:01:44,784 --> 01:01:48,454
was recruited by Ghislaine Maxwell
at Trump's Mar-a-Lago
1014
01:01:48,538 --> 01:01:52,208
and brought to Jeffrey Epstein
for purposes of sexual abuse.
1015
01:01:53,084 --> 01:01:54,919
And in 2001,
1016
01:01:55,002 --> 01:01:59,132
Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein
flew Virginia over to London,
1017
01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:02,635
and they introduced her
to Ghislaine Maxwell's good friend,
1018
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:03,720
Prince Andrew.
1019
01:02:03,803 --> 01:02:05,471
[reporter 1] I wanna begin
with the scandal
1020
01:02:05,555 --> 01:02:07,140
that has the Royal Family in an uproar,
1021
01:02:07,223 --> 01:02:11,352
allegations that Prince Andrew
had sex with an underage girl.
1022
01:02:11,978 --> 01:02:14,897
[McCawley] There is a photograph
that has been widely circulated,
1023
01:02:14,981 --> 01:02:16,983
that was taken of her and Prince Andrew.
1024
01:02:17,066 --> 01:02:19,193
And you can see her standing
with Prince Andrew
1025
01:02:19,277 --> 01:02:21,279
and then Ghislaine Maxwell
in the background.
1026
01:02:21,362 --> 01:02:24,699
And that's when the focus
also shifted to Ghislaine Maxwell.
1027
01:02:26,784 --> 01:02:30,079
[reporter 2] Can I ask you about all the
allegations that have come out, Ghislaine?
1028
01:02:30,163 --> 01:02:31,247
Happy New Year.
1029
01:02:31,330 --> 01:02:33,916
[reporter 2] Can…
Obviously, they're very damning,
1030
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,626
involving British royalty.
1031
01:02:36,627 --> 01:02:38,254
Have you got no comment at all?
1032
01:02:38,337 --> 01:02:40,339
[Ghislaine Maxwell]
I've made a statement, thank you.
1033
01:02:40,965 --> 01:02:42,341
[reporter 2] Do you know Virginia?
1034
01:02:44,343 --> 01:02:46,763
Can you at least say
if she's been in your house?
1035
01:02:50,516 --> 01:02:53,102
[Rellie] Ghislaine's reputation
was in tatters.
1036
01:02:53,853 --> 01:02:55,438
She was a broken woman,
1037
01:02:56,230 --> 01:03:01,819
and she seemed to be desperately trying
to repair her reputation.
1038
01:03:02,403 --> 01:03:03,529
[car honking]
1039
01:03:04,530 --> 01:03:07,742
[Mason] She invited me over
to her townhouse on the Upper East Side.
1040
01:03:07,825 --> 01:03:12,246
And she was talking
in this very fevered, passionate way
1041
01:03:12,330 --> 01:03:14,290
about saving the world's oceans.
1042
01:03:14,373 --> 01:03:17,293
[audience applauding]
1043
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,632
I'm passionate about the ocean,
1044
01:03:22,715 --> 01:03:25,510
the deep sea,
and the wild animals that live there.
1045
01:03:25,593 --> 01:03:28,304
The ocean is essential to life on Earth,
1046
01:03:28,387 --> 01:03:31,808
yet despite the ocean's importance to us,
1047
01:03:31,891 --> 01:03:34,018
we know so little about it.
1048
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,105
In 2012, I founded the TerraMar Project.
1049
01:03:39,816 --> 01:03:42,819
[Mason]
So this was a new topic for Ghislaine.
1050
01:03:42,902 --> 01:03:45,822
TerraMar was her great cause.
1051
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:50,076
This was something she was doing
for the planet, for humanity.
1052
01:03:51,202 --> 01:03:53,788
[Palmeri] So while Ghislaine
was still welcome in high society,
1053
01:03:53,871 --> 01:03:55,456
and she had her charities,
1054
01:03:55,540 --> 01:03:58,209
and she's speaking on these panels
about saving the ocean,
1055
01:03:58,876 --> 01:04:03,130
she appears to be repairing her image.
1056
01:04:03,214 --> 01:04:06,425
Your Excellencies, presidents,
lords, ladies, and gentlemen, um,
1057
01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:10,054
I just would like to thank you so much.
It's such an honor to be here.
1058
01:04:11,013 --> 01:04:16,811
TerraMar was linking herself to a cause
that was much greater than herself.
1059
01:04:16,894 --> 01:04:20,314
It seemed a whole lot more respectable
1060
01:04:20,398 --> 01:04:23,025
than being the former girlfriend
of Jeffrey Epstein.
1061
01:04:23,901 --> 01:04:25,903
[wind gusting]
1062
01:04:30,491 --> 01:04:33,578
[man] I met Ghislaine Maxwell
at a conference.
1063
01:04:33,661 --> 01:04:36,122
Uh, it was at Kiawah Island,
1064
01:04:36,205 --> 01:04:38,499
outside Charleston, South Carolina,
1065
01:04:39,333 --> 01:04:42,003
in February 2014.
1066
01:04:43,004 --> 01:04:45,006
She was very elegant, very put-together.
1067
01:04:45,089 --> 01:04:46,674
She was very confident.
1068
01:04:46,757 --> 01:04:48,676
She just told me all about TerraMar.
1069
01:04:48,759 --> 01:04:52,471
And everything she said, to me,
was completely convincing.
1070
01:04:53,431 --> 01:04:56,809
I'm a media producer, uh,
and a marketing professional.
1071
01:04:56,893 --> 01:05:01,522
And Ghislaine floated this idea,
like, "We really need a one-minute promo
1072
01:05:01,606 --> 01:05:03,858
to get people to sign this pledge
to save the ocean."
1073
01:05:04,817 --> 01:05:08,195
I was like, "Just shoot something,
like, while I'm here."
1074
01:05:09,238 --> 01:05:13,451
So, after we had come up
with the idea for her one-minute promo,
1075
01:05:13,534 --> 01:05:15,661
we're like, "Great.
Let's go have a drink."
1076
01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:17,580
Now, we're at the hotel bar.
1077
01:05:18,372 --> 01:05:20,416
That's when things got a little weird.
1078
01:05:23,294 --> 01:05:25,796
I think I said, you know,
"What are you wearing tomorrow
1079
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,175
when we shoot you
down by the beach for this promo?"
1080
01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:33,054
And she said, "Well, I've got my TerraMar
T-shirt that I'm presenting in.
1081
01:05:33,137 --> 01:05:35,890
You know, like, 'I heart the ocean.'"
I was like, "That's perfect."
1082
01:05:36,515 --> 01:05:37,558
And then she goes… [laughs]
1083
01:05:38,267 --> 01:05:41,395
…"You know, you should see me
in my full-length leather outfit,
1084
01:05:41,479 --> 01:05:42,897
you know, with my weapons."
1085
01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:47,610
And I just kind of dumbly stared at her,
like, "What is she talking about?"
1086
01:05:48,903 --> 01:05:53,783
She had an incredibly electric,
sexual energy about her.
1087
01:05:55,534 --> 01:05:59,664
She turned to me, and she said, uh,
"You know Lara Croft from Tomb Raider?"
1088
01:05:59,747 --> 01:06:01,624
She's like,
"Well, I'm the real-life version."
1089
01:06:01,707 --> 01:06:03,334
And then she gave me this look, right?
1090
01:06:04,210 --> 01:06:05,753
I was really taken aback.
1091
01:06:06,712 --> 01:06:10,549
There was something just a little… creepy.
1092
01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:12,593
Something just a little off.
1093
01:06:14,095 --> 01:06:16,097
[indistinct chatter]
1094
01:06:21,435 --> 01:06:23,688
So we met in the lobby the next morning.
1095
01:06:23,771 --> 01:06:25,648
And she was wearing stilettos, right?
1096
01:06:25,731 --> 01:06:27,900
She's wearing stiletto heels.
1097
01:06:28,693 --> 01:06:32,405
And I don't know what she thought
about us shooting down on a beach
1098
01:06:32,488 --> 01:06:37,368
or what it was gonna be, but she ended up,
like, walking down to the ocean and back
1099
01:06:37,994 --> 01:06:39,328
in these stiletto heels.
1100
01:06:40,579 --> 01:06:43,916
I was trying to have a vision of,
like, "Show me your love of the ocean."
1101
01:06:44,709 --> 01:06:45,918
Show your love.
1102
01:06:46,002 --> 01:06:47,420
Sign the pledge.
1103
01:06:47,503 --> 01:06:48,337
Thank you.
1104
01:06:49,296 --> 01:06:50,840
-Again?
-[Hons] Let's do three.
1105
01:06:50,923 --> 01:06:52,675
-There's a rule of threes.
-All right.
1106
01:06:52,758 --> 01:06:56,345
Show your love.
Sign the pledge. Thank you.
1107
01:06:56,887 --> 01:06:59,348
[Hons] But it ended up kind of absurd.
1108
01:06:59,432 --> 01:07:01,684
There was almost like a glamour shoot.
1109
01:07:01,767 --> 01:07:03,769
[camera shutter clicking]
1110
01:07:08,941 --> 01:07:11,902
The irony of her trying
to reinvent herself with the ocean
1111
01:07:11,986 --> 01:07:13,571
and then just being the same…
1112
01:07:15,156 --> 01:07:16,240
the same person.
1113
01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:19,744
You know, none of us can run away
from ourselves, you know?
1114
01:07:19,827 --> 01:07:21,954
None of us can run away from our past.
1115
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:25,041
None of us can run away from our actions.
1116
01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:32,048
[foreboding music playing]
1117
01:07:39,805 --> 01:07:42,016
[reporter 1]
Victims of sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein
1118
01:07:42,099 --> 01:07:44,018
are finally getting their day in court.
1119
01:07:44,101 --> 01:07:47,104
Opening statements in a trial
that is expected to last six weeks
1120
01:07:47,188 --> 01:07:48,272
begins today.
1121
01:07:49,023 --> 01:07:54,153
And it is one of the most eagerly
anticipated criminal trials in years.
1122
01:07:57,448 --> 01:07:59,033
[Sternheim] Morning, everybody.
1123
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:01,744
It's gonna be a great day.
1124
01:08:03,788 --> 01:08:05,956
[male protester]
We, the people, deserve to know.
1125
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,585
We deserve honest
and fair and ample coverage
1126
01:08:09,668 --> 01:08:11,921
of the trial of the century.
1127
01:08:12,004 --> 01:08:14,507
[woman reporting in Italian]
1128
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:17,468
[Briquelet] This is a case
that has international attention.
1129
01:08:17,551 --> 01:08:19,970
[reporting in French]
1130
01:08:20,054 --> 01:08:22,139
[reporting in Danish]
1131
01:08:22,223 --> 01:08:24,517
People all over the world
are going to be watching.
1132
01:08:27,394 --> 01:08:30,564
[Ransome] I hardly slept a wink
last night. I was up every hour.
1133
01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:33,859
It was important for me to be here,
1134
01:08:33,943 --> 01:08:38,948
to show solidarity
to the survivors that are testifying.
1135
01:08:39,448 --> 01:08:42,368
They are so brave and courageous,
1136
01:08:42,451 --> 01:08:45,663
and they are standing in their truth,
and they are not backing down.
1137
01:08:47,581 --> 01:08:51,252
[reporter 2] If she's convicted
of all six charges leveled against her,
1138
01:08:51,335 --> 01:08:54,797
she'll likely die in an American prison.
1139
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,509
So it's an incredibly high-stakes trial
clearly for Ghislaine Maxwell.
1140
01:08:59,176 --> 01:09:02,263
[Mason] It has been one hell of a saga,
leading up to this moment.
1141
01:09:02,763 --> 01:09:05,266
The charges seem so utterly devastating.
1142
01:09:07,601 --> 01:09:09,603
[reporters clamoring]
1143
01:09:14,191 --> 01:09:16,193
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
Ladies and gentlemen,
1144
01:09:16,277 --> 01:09:17,695
members of the jury,
1145
01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:21,240
during the course of the trial,
1146
01:09:21,323 --> 01:09:24,285
you will learn
that the defendant and Epstein
1147
01:09:24,368 --> 01:09:28,330
lured their victims
with the promise of a brighter future,
1148
01:09:28,414 --> 01:09:31,167
only to sexually exploit them
1149
01:09:31,250 --> 01:09:33,294
and forever change their lives.
1150
01:09:34,837 --> 01:09:37,798
She knew exactly what she was doing.
1151
01:09:37,882 --> 01:09:39,717
She was dangerous.
1152
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,679
She was setting young girls up
to be molested by a predator.
1153
01:09:47,683 --> 01:09:50,811
[voice actor for Sternheim] Ever since Eve
was tempting Adam with the apple,
1154
01:09:50,895 --> 01:09:54,064
women have been blamed
for the bad behavior of men.
1155
01:09:55,316 --> 01:09:59,653
The charges against Ghislaine Maxwell
are for things that Jeffrey Epstein did.
1156
01:09:59,737 --> 01:10:01,864
But she is not Jeffrey Epstein.
1157
01:10:01,947 --> 01:10:03,991
She is not like Jeffrey Epstein.
1158
01:10:06,368 --> 01:10:07,786
[McCawley] In opening statements,
1159
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:10,873
the defense lawyers
used biblical references,
1160
01:10:10,956 --> 01:10:12,917
talking about Adam and Eve
1161
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,544
and trying to paint
Ghislaine Maxwell as a scapegoat
1162
01:10:15,628 --> 01:10:16,670
because she's a woman.
1163
01:10:16,754 --> 01:10:19,006
That was really offensive to hear,
1164
01:10:19,673 --> 01:10:23,427
trying to allow Ghislaine Maxwell a pass
because she's a woman
1165
01:10:23,510 --> 01:10:25,638
was really something below the belt.
1166
01:10:26,931 --> 01:10:28,891
[reporter 1] An accuser
of Ghislaine Maxwell,
1167
01:10:28,974 --> 01:10:31,977
a woman known as "Jane,"
began testifying today.
1168
01:10:33,103 --> 01:10:34,939
[Edwards] Jane was chosen
1169
01:10:35,022 --> 01:10:38,150
as one of the testifying victims
for many reasons.
1170
01:10:38,234 --> 01:10:39,902
She was extraordinarily young
1171
01:10:39,985 --> 01:10:42,780
when she was recruited
by Ghislaine Maxwell.
1172
01:10:42,863 --> 01:10:46,325
There was direct abuse, not just grooming,
1173
01:10:46,408 --> 01:10:49,662
but direct abuse by Ghislaine Maxwell.
1174
01:10:50,955 --> 01:10:53,707
[reporter 2] Jane claiming
her first sexual contact with Epstein
1175
01:10:53,791 --> 01:10:58,504
was at his Palm Beach house in 1994,
when she was just 14.
1176
01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:01,131
[McCawley]
Her story was really hard to hear,
1177
01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:04,843
'cause it included multiple offenses
over many years,
1178
01:11:04,927 --> 01:11:08,055
with not only Ghislaine Maxwell
but with others.
1179
01:11:08,138 --> 01:11:10,140
[unsettling music playing]
1180
01:11:16,188 --> 01:11:18,983
And then, the defense was relentless
in their attack of her,
1181
01:11:19,066 --> 01:11:21,694
because her background
is that she is an actress,
1182
01:11:21,777 --> 01:11:24,488
and so they tried to use that against her.
1183
01:11:25,614 --> 01:11:27,866
[voice actor for Menninger]
You're able to cry on command?
1184
01:11:27,950 --> 01:11:30,077
[voice actor for "Jane"] No, not always.
1185
01:11:30,577 --> 01:11:32,579
It's not really how it works.
1186
01:11:32,663 --> 01:11:34,707
[voice actor for Menninger]
Are you acting here today?
1187
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:35,874
[voice actor for "Jane"] No.
1188
01:11:36,542 --> 01:11:41,463
[McCawley] The defense's strategy
is memory, manipulation, and money.
1189
01:11:42,089 --> 01:11:46,719
They're trying to say that these witnesses
are only trying to manipulate people
1190
01:11:46,802 --> 01:11:48,012
and are after money,
1191
01:11:48,095 --> 01:11:50,347
and they really pressed
some of the details.
1192
01:11:51,557 --> 01:11:53,058
[Edwards] When Jeffrey Epstein died,
1193
01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:56,478
there was a victim compensation
program set up.
1194
01:11:57,521 --> 01:12:01,734
During the testimony, it was revealed
for the first time publicly
1195
01:12:02,234 --> 01:12:05,487
that some of the determinations
through the program
1196
01:12:05,571 --> 01:12:09,158
were in the millions of dollars
for victims.
1197
01:12:10,242 --> 01:12:12,745
[voice actor for Menninger]
How much money did the fund award you?
1198
01:12:13,746 --> 01:12:15,247
[voice actor for "Jane"] Five million.
1199
01:12:17,082 --> 01:12:18,625
[cars honking]
1200
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:20,919
[reporters clamoring]
1201
01:12:23,380 --> 01:12:24,548
[cameras clicking]
1202
01:12:28,177 --> 01:12:30,304
[Ransome] The defense
made me really angry.
1203
01:12:30,846 --> 01:12:33,891
I found the defense, uh,
incredibly victim-shaming,
1204
01:12:33,974 --> 01:12:36,226
and I think we're in the era
1205
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:41,482
where victim-shaming
and victim-blaming really needs to stop.
1206
01:12:45,277 --> 01:12:47,237
[Mason] It's kind of a night and day,
1207
01:12:47,321 --> 01:12:49,656
or in this case
"day and night" difference,
1208
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:54,370
because in the morning, I've…
I entered the courtroom pretty convinced
1209
01:12:54,453 --> 01:12:57,122
that she was going away
for a long, long time.
1210
01:12:58,165 --> 01:13:00,667
But when the defense began,
1211
01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:03,087
I have to say I was astonished.
1212
01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:06,548
Trying to imagine
how the jury was reacting
1213
01:13:06,632 --> 01:13:10,552
to hearing these… huge amounts of money.
1214
01:13:10,636 --> 01:13:14,765
It has to be feeling like sunshine
for Ghislaine Maxwell at this point.
1215
01:13:16,433 --> 01:13:18,727
[man] Hey, guys.
Move out of his way, please.
1216
01:13:19,895 --> 01:13:24,024
I am very pleased to have attended,
uh, today in court, in person,
1217
01:13:24,108 --> 01:13:25,275
together with Isabel,
1218
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:28,445
and in support of our sister, Ghislaine.
1219
01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:30,948
Um, on a personal note,
1220
01:13:31,031 --> 01:13:34,993
it was a tremen… gave me
a tremendous sense of relief,
1221
01:13:35,536 --> 01:13:37,079
uh, to be close to her,
1222
01:13:37,663 --> 01:13:40,624
uh, to be able
to actually see her in the flesh.
1223
01:13:41,291 --> 01:13:43,043
Uh, even to be able to speak with her.
1224
01:13:43,127 --> 01:13:46,755
And that's the first time
that I've spoken to her personally
1225
01:13:47,256 --> 01:13:49,675
in over 500 days,
1226
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:53,512
uh, since her pretrial detention started.
1227
01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:55,639
[reporter 1] How is Ghislaine
holding up, Kevin?
1228
01:13:55,722 --> 01:13:57,349
[reporter 2] What did she say to you?
1229
01:13:59,184 --> 01:14:01,562
I understand why
her brothers can't recognize
1230
01:14:01,645 --> 01:14:03,981
that something evil ever happened.
1231
01:14:04,064 --> 01:14:06,191
How could you recognize
something like that?
1232
01:14:06,275 --> 01:14:09,445
And I think you have to protect your own,
especially your own family.
1233
01:14:10,612 --> 01:14:14,324
It's not that you want to find excuses
for the evil that people have done,
1234
01:14:14,408 --> 01:14:17,035
but you try to understand
where they come from.
1235
01:14:24,168 --> 01:14:26,170
[foreboding music playing]
1236
01:14:29,381 --> 01:14:32,759
[male narrator] Once upon a Christmastime,
in a big house on a hill,
1237
01:14:32,843 --> 01:14:36,263
there lived a man,
his wife, and their eight children.
1238
01:14:36,346 --> 01:14:39,183
When Father Christmas came last year,
1239
01:14:39,266 --> 01:14:41,101
I was fast asleep, and he put--
1240
01:14:41,185 --> 01:14:43,687
I took my daddy's stocking away
from his bedroom,
1241
01:14:43,770 --> 01:14:46,190
then I hung it up on my bed,
1242
01:14:46,273 --> 01:14:51,320
then Father Christmas put some toys
in my daddy's… in my daddy's stocking.
1243
01:14:53,197 --> 01:14:56,033
[Palmeri] A really big part of the image
of Robert Maxwell
1244
01:14:56,116 --> 01:14:58,202
was that he had the perfect family.
1245
01:14:58,911 --> 01:15:01,079
[indistinct chatter]
1246
01:15:01,997 --> 01:15:04,124
But no one really knew
that behind closed doors,
1247
01:15:04,208 --> 01:15:05,959
it was actually very dysfunctional.
1248
01:15:07,377 --> 01:15:09,213
[man 1] His wife, Betty, told me
1249
01:15:09,296 --> 01:15:13,842
that the children had to stand up
at the dinner table
1250
01:15:13,926 --> 01:15:18,889
and tell their father what they'd done
during the course of that year
1251
01:15:18,972 --> 01:15:21,099
and what they were hoping to achieve.
1252
01:15:21,183 --> 01:15:24,895
And then if he didn't like something
that somebody had said,
1253
01:15:24,978 --> 01:15:27,147
he'd whip them with a belt.
1254
01:15:28,315 --> 01:15:33,070
And then, after giving them
a good sound bashing with the belt,
1255
01:15:33,612 --> 01:15:38,492
they had to write a letter
to their father of apology.
1256
01:15:40,035 --> 01:15:44,581
[man 2] I remember well… I met Ghislaine
for the first time in September 1984.
1257
01:15:45,082 --> 01:15:47,000
She was about 22 at the time.
1258
01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:51,380
It was at a regular Sunday lunch
at Headington Hill Hall
1259
01:15:51,463 --> 01:15:54,091
with business executives
that Robert invited.
1260
01:15:54,591 --> 01:15:56,552
And Maxwell was presiding,
1261
01:15:57,261 --> 01:16:03,100
that rather as… as a Roman emperor
or Henry VIII, this sort of large figure.
1262
01:16:03,684 --> 01:16:06,019
But kneeling at his knee was Ghislaine.
1263
01:16:06,895 --> 01:16:08,772
And she was sobbing,
1264
01:16:09,356 --> 01:16:11,900
um, very, very profusely and dramatically.
1265
01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:13,193
There was snot.
1266
01:16:13,277 --> 01:16:15,779
I mean, this girl was crying her eyes out,
1267
01:16:16,363 --> 01:16:18,699
trying to persuade her father
to agree to something.
1268
01:16:18,782 --> 01:16:20,284
And he was ignoring this.
1269
01:16:20,993 --> 01:16:24,788
And this went on, to the embarrassment
of everyone else who was there,
1270
01:16:24,871 --> 01:16:28,667
but everyone was just completely ignoring
this bizarre sight.
1271
01:16:31,336 --> 01:16:34,840
I think with Ghislaine that her affection
for her father was unconditional
1272
01:16:34,923 --> 01:16:40,429
and that the urge to please him
was probably a huge driving force.
1273
01:16:41,013 --> 01:16:44,683
And, you know, perhaps she devoted
the same sort of acclaim
1274
01:16:44,766 --> 01:16:47,853
that she had to her father
to Epstein instead.
1275
01:16:51,982 --> 01:16:53,984
[foreboding music playing]
1276
01:16:57,779 --> 01:17:00,449
[reporter] And now, to week two
of Ghislaine Maxwell trial,
1277
01:17:00,532 --> 01:17:01,408
here in Manhattan.
1278
01:17:01,491 --> 01:17:03,452
Today, another woman is going to testify
1279
01:17:03,535 --> 01:17:07,039
about her decades-long interactions
with Maxwell and the late Jeffrey Epstein.
1280
01:17:08,999 --> 01:17:11,043
[Edwards] My client Kate is protected,
1281
01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:14,046
and she is able to proceed
under a pseudonym.
1282
01:17:14,129 --> 01:17:18,842
And Kate was first abused
by Jeffrey Epstein when she was 17.
1283
01:17:18,925 --> 01:17:22,596
And she was abused
for many, many, many years.
1284
01:17:25,641 --> 01:17:27,934
Kate was a teenager,
1285
01:17:28,018 --> 01:17:30,437
an aspiring British model,
1286
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,565
a talented musician,
1287
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:35,233
just a brilliant person.
1288
01:17:35,317 --> 01:17:36,777
In fact, she was accepted to Oxford.
1289
01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:38,737
Ghislaine had gone to Oxford.
1290
01:17:38,820 --> 01:17:43,867
So Ghislaine, in a lot of ways,
was everything Kate wanted to be.
1291
01:17:44,409 --> 01:17:47,204
And one of the first things
that Ghislaine told her was that
1292
01:17:47,287 --> 01:17:51,166
she had this very powerful boyfriend
who was a philanthropist,
1293
01:17:51,249 --> 01:17:54,169
who could assist Kate
in getting her foot in the door
1294
01:17:54,252 --> 01:17:56,213
in basically any industry she wanted.
1295
01:17:57,422 --> 01:17:59,716
What was originally
an innocuous introduction
1296
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,426
to Jeffrey Epstein
1297
01:18:02,052 --> 01:18:06,348
had her in the devil's den,
being abused in no time,
1298
01:18:06,431 --> 01:18:09,976
and then,
with literally no realistic way out.
1299
01:18:11,978 --> 01:18:14,231
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
Did Epstein engage in a sex act
1300
01:18:14,314 --> 01:18:15,774
with you during the massage?
1301
01:18:16,441 --> 01:18:17,567
[voice actor for "Kate"] Yes.
1302
01:18:18,443 --> 01:18:20,779
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
After it ended, where did you go?
1303
01:18:21,822 --> 01:18:25,033
[voice actor for "Kate"] I left the room
and started walking down the stairs.
1304
01:18:25,992 --> 01:18:28,286
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
And who, if anyone, did you see?
1305
01:18:28,370 --> 01:18:30,247
[voice actor for "Kate"]
I saw Ghislaine Maxwell.
1306
01:18:31,581 --> 01:18:34,209
[voice actor for Pomerantz]
What, if anything, did Maxwell say?
1307
01:18:34,292 --> 01:18:36,294
[voice actor for "Kate"]
She said, "How did it go?"
1308
01:18:36,378 --> 01:18:38,380
"Did you have fun? Was it good?"
1309
01:18:38,463 --> 01:18:42,092
She seemed very excited and happy.
She thanked me again.
1310
01:18:43,301 --> 01:18:46,304
My strategy for preparing Kate for trial
was pretty simple.
1311
01:18:46,388 --> 01:18:47,431
Just tell the truth
1312
01:18:47,514 --> 01:18:51,893
and don't worry about
all of the other nonsense
1313
01:18:51,977 --> 01:18:54,187
that Ghislaine Maxwell
is gonna throw your way
1314
01:18:54,271 --> 01:18:56,314
to try to discredit you.
It's not gonna work.
1315
01:18:57,733 --> 01:19:00,277
[voice actor for Sternheim]
Now, you've testified there was a time,
1316
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:04,030
I think upwards of ten years,
that you used drugs. Correct?
1317
01:19:05,115 --> 01:19:06,241
[voice actor for "Kate"] Yes.
1318
01:19:06,825 --> 01:19:09,828
[voice actor for Sternheim] Fair to say
that using and abusing those substances
1319
01:19:09,911 --> 01:19:13,540
over a ten-year period
has had an impact on memory. Correct?
1320
01:19:14,249 --> 01:19:16,752
[voice actor for "Kate"] It has not had
an impact on the memories
1321
01:19:16,835 --> 01:19:18,086
that I have always had.
1322
01:19:22,883 --> 01:19:24,217
I'm very proud of Kate
1323
01:19:24,301 --> 01:19:28,555
and… and many of the other, uh, clients
and victims and survivors
1324
01:19:28,638 --> 01:19:31,516
that were willing to come forward
and many who did, so…
1325
01:19:32,017 --> 01:19:36,521
She… she… she was what she always is,
just a completely honest person.
1326
01:19:38,315 --> 01:19:41,193
I think that
the most significant contribution
1327
01:19:41,276 --> 01:19:43,695
that Kate made to the trial
1328
01:19:43,779 --> 01:19:46,990
was explaining how Ghislaine Maxwell
1329
01:19:47,073 --> 01:19:50,285
specifically invoked the grooming process
1330
01:19:50,368 --> 01:19:53,497
in a way that facilitated Jeffrey Epstein,
1331
01:19:53,580 --> 01:19:56,792
that particular perpetrator's ability
to abuse little girls.
1332
01:19:57,459 --> 01:19:59,836
I would believe that the jury
had a light bulb go off
1333
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:03,340
and appreciate, "Oh, wait.
Now I understand how this happened."
1334
01:20:05,967 --> 01:20:08,011
[Stein] They finally caught up
with Ghislaine,
1335
01:20:08,094 --> 01:20:12,641
and that's something
I never thought I'd live to see happen.
1336
01:20:13,975 --> 01:20:18,396
And so, I wake up at 4:00 a.m.
every morning to be at the trial.
1337
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:23,693
I take the two-hour journey
from Philadelphia to New York.
1338
01:20:24,778 --> 01:20:28,281
And every day,
I wear a pair of Gucci loafers
1339
01:20:28,365 --> 01:20:31,076
that were given to me
by Jeffrey and Ghislaine.
1340
01:20:32,452 --> 01:20:35,205
And I think
that it's important symbolically
1341
01:20:35,288 --> 01:20:38,250
that I'm taking my journey every day,
1342
01:20:38,333 --> 01:20:40,001
walking in these shoes.
1343
01:20:41,419 --> 01:20:43,421
[somber music playing]
1344
01:20:45,549 --> 01:20:49,803
These are gifts
that Ghislaine and Jeffrey gave me
1345
01:20:49,886 --> 01:20:52,848
over the three years
that I was involved with them.
1346
01:20:53,515 --> 01:20:58,520
This is a gown that I wore
to a New Year's Eve party with them.
1347
01:20:59,563 --> 01:21:01,398
Ghislaine picked it out for me.
1348
01:21:02,691 --> 01:21:05,485
I realize that some people
might not understand
1349
01:21:05,569 --> 01:21:08,822
why I held onto all of these things
for so many years,
1350
01:21:09,447 --> 01:21:13,493
but it's validating my experience.
1351
01:21:13,577 --> 01:21:18,999
Having those items really helped me
to understand what happened to me
1352
01:21:20,166 --> 01:21:22,794
and were an integral part of my healing.
1353
01:21:24,546 --> 01:21:29,676
It's grueling physically,
traveling for hours to the trial.
1354
01:21:29,759 --> 01:21:33,305
But there is nothing in the world
that can stop me
1355
01:21:33,388 --> 01:21:34,806
from going there every day.
1356
01:21:36,641 --> 01:21:38,226
[reporter] It is a new day of testimony
1357
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:40,562
in the sex-trafficking trial
of Ghislaine Maxwell,
1358
01:21:40,645 --> 01:21:43,523
and a third accuser,
who's going by the name "Carolyn,"
1359
01:21:43,607 --> 01:21:44,441
taking the stand.
1360
01:21:44,524 --> 01:21:48,153
Carolyn was 14
when Maxwell allegedly set her up
1361
01:21:48,236 --> 01:21:51,072
for Epstein's abuse
that went on for years.
1362
01:21:52,866 --> 01:21:55,076
[voice actor for Comey]
What's the last grade you attended
1363
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,287
before dropping out in middle school?
1364
01:21:57,996 --> 01:22:00,874
-[voice actor for "Carolyn"] Seventh.
-[voice actor for Comey] Why is that?
1365
01:22:00,957 --> 01:22:04,461
[voice actor for "Carolyn"] Because my mom
was an alcoholic and a drug addict.
1366
01:22:05,712 --> 01:22:08,298
[voice actor for Comey] When you were
between the ages of 14 and 16,
1367
01:22:08,381 --> 01:22:09,591
how did you make money?
1368
01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:12,427
[voice actor for "Carolyn"]
I went to Mr. Epstein's house
1369
01:22:12,510 --> 01:22:14,179
and got money that way.
1370
01:22:16,473 --> 01:22:19,017
Whether it was an apartment
1371
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:21,061
or a car or a phone,
1372
01:22:21,645 --> 01:22:24,314
they will dangle that carrot
in front of them
1373
01:22:24,397 --> 01:22:26,441
in order to string them along
1374
01:22:26,524 --> 01:22:30,236
and make them succumb to sexual abuse.
1375
01:22:31,696 --> 01:22:33,698
[voice actor for Comey]
What, if any, conversations
1376
01:22:33,782 --> 01:22:37,744
do you remember having with Maxwell
about your bra and hip size?
1377
01:22:38,995 --> 01:22:41,957
[voice actor for "Carolyn"] I was upstairs
setting up the massage table.
1378
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,043
And she came in and felt my boobs
1379
01:22:45,126 --> 01:22:47,420
and my hips and my buttocks
1380
01:22:47,504 --> 01:22:51,883
and said that I had a great body
for Mr. Epstein and his friends.
1381
01:22:54,094 --> 01:22:56,721
[reporter 1] Carolyn becoming emotional
several times
1382
01:22:56,805 --> 01:23:00,600
over the course of her testimony,
as she detailed the abuse,
1383
01:23:00,684 --> 01:23:04,062
saying she ultimately went
to Epstein's Palm Beach mansion
1384
01:23:04,145 --> 01:23:06,147
over 100 times.
1385
01:23:06,231 --> 01:23:09,234
The experience, Carolyn said,
contributed to mental health issues
1386
01:23:09,317 --> 01:23:11,736
and addiction issues
that continue to today.
1387
01:23:12,612 --> 01:23:15,615
[McCawley] Carolyn's story
was particularly hard to hear.
1388
01:23:16,116 --> 01:23:18,493
But I think the jury connected with her.
1389
01:23:18,576 --> 01:23:20,537
She was powerful on the stand.
1390
01:23:20,620 --> 01:23:23,748
She didn't back down,
even when challenged by the defense.
1391
01:23:25,709 --> 01:23:27,544
The defense's strategy has been
1392
01:23:27,627 --> 01:23:30,505
to really try to attack
the victims' credibility,
1393
01:23:31,006 --> 01:23:33,174
but I think that was going to backfire
for them.
1394
01:23:35,260 --> 01:23:37,303
[reporter 2] This morning,
we're expecting to hear
1395
01:23:37,387 --> 01:23:42,142
from perhaps the most powerful
and compelling witness of all.
1396
01:23:42,225 --> 01:23:44,936
She's an American woman
named Annie Farmer,
1397
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:49,733
who claims she was sexually abused
by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
1398
01:23:49,816 --> 01:23:53,319
at Epstein's, um, ranch in New Mexico.
1399
01:23:54,738 --> 01:23:58,658
I was outside of the courtroom
with my husband and my attorney, Sigrid,
1400
01:23:58,742 --> 01:24:00,076
and my heart was pounding.
1401
01:24:02,162 --> 01:24:05,540
Once the door opened,
one of the FBI agents led the way,
1402
01:24:05,623 --> 01:24:08,043
and I walked into the courtroom.
1403
01:24:08,126 --> 01:24:11,254
I wanted to make eye contact with Maxwell
1404
01:24:11,337 --> 01:24:15,842
to communicate that I'm not afraid
and that I'm there for a purpose.
1405
01:24:16,426 --> 01:24:19,679
So, I start to walk past the table
where she's sitting.
1406
01:24:19,763 --> 01:24:21,931
I did make a point
to look in her direction.
1407
01:24:22,891 --> 01:24:27,103
And I think that she looked like
she was trying to kind of busy herself
1408
01:24:27,187 --> 01:24:31,733
by looking down and looking at notes,
and she didn't want to make eye contact.
1409
01:24:33,568 --> 01:24:35,945
Sitting up there on the witness stand,
1410
01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:38,865
I feel… very nervous.
1411
01:24:38,948 --> 01:24:41,826
Physiologically, very nervous.
1412
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:44,662
My feet are sweating profusely.
1413
01:24:44,746 --> 01:24:46,372
My hands were shaking.
1414
01:24:47,123 --> 01:24:49,876
I made eye contact with Sigrid,
and, you know, she gestured,
1415
01:24:49,959 --> 01:24:51,461
putting her hand on her heart,
1416
01:24:51,544 --> 01:24:55,173
um, and I knew, you know,
that she was… she was there with me.
1417
01:24:56,132 --> 01:24:58,843
[McCawley] Annie kept a journal
at the time that she was abused
1418
01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:01,262
by Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
1419
01:25:01,346 --> 01:25:05,016
And as part of the case,
that became evidence at the trial.
1420
01:25:06,935 --> 01:25:10,021
[Annie Farmer] Maxwell's defense attorneys
had me read a portion of my journal
1421
01:25:10,105 --> 01:25:14,359
in the courtroom, in particular
where I was going back and forth
1422
01:25:14,442 --> 01:25:16,611
about how to interpret Epstein's behavior.
1423
01:25:17,529 --> 01:25:20,198
"One night, we went
to the movies with Jeffrey Epstein."
1424
01:25:20,281 --> 01:25:21,366
"It was a little weird,
1425
01:25:21,449 --> 01:25:23,576
one of those things
that is hard to explain."
1426
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,997
"We were sitting next to each other,
and he put out his hand for me to hold."
1427
01:25:28,081 --> 01:25:32,252
"Then he kind of caressed,
rubbed my arm and shoe/foot."
1428
01:25:33,044 --> 01:25:35,171
"Overall, I decided it was no big deal."
1429
01:25:35,255 --> 01:25:37,966
"It just made me mad,
because he is being so amazing."
1430
01:25:38,466 --> 01:25:41,803
"Paying for a summer program for me.
Helping me with college."
1431
01:25:42,762 --> 01:25:45,557
As a 16-year-old,
I was trying to make excuses,
1432
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,352
because in my mind, it didn't fit
that he was being so generous and nice
1433
01:25:49,435 --> 01:25:51,521
and then doing these things
to make me so uncomfortable
1434
01:25:51,604 --> 01:25:53,189
and violate my boundaries.
1435
01:25:54,524 --> 01:25:57,652
[McCawley] The defense's strategy
is to use the nuance that,
1436
01:25:57,735 --> 01:26:00,446
when she was trying
to explain to herself in the journal
1437
01:26:00,530 --> 01:26:02,240
and say that it wasn't that bad,
1438
01:26:02,323 --> 01:26:05,243
the defense tried to use that to say,
"Well, it wasn't that bad."
1439
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,455
[Annie Farmer]
Then, as a part of the cross-examination,
1440
01:26:09,539 --> 01:26:12,959
they bring up a brown paper bag
with these cowboy boots in them,
1441
01:26:13,042 --> 01:26:16,421
the boots that Maxwell and Epstein
had purchased for me in New Mexico
1442
01:26:16,504 --> 01:26:20,633
back in 1996 and asked me
to… to show them.
1443
01:26:21,384 --> 01:26:25,388
And I started to realize
that what they were insinuating here
1444
01:26:25,471 --> 01:26:27,849
is that because they were well-worn,
1445
01:26:27,932 --> 01:26:30,894
it hadn't, in fact,
been such a bothersome memory to me.
1446
01:26:32,228 --> 01:26:34,105
I actually had worn the boots
1447
01:26:34,189 --> 01:26:36,691
in order to, you know,
reclaim this part of my history
1448
01:26:36,774 --> 01:26:41,738
and not just avoid it or feel stressed
when I saw these in the back of my closet.
1449
01:26:43,615 --> 01:26:46,576
I think what was
most really disgusting to me
1450
01:26:46,659 --> 01:26:49,662
was the way that her defense attorneys
1451
01:26:49,746 --> 01:26:55,376
tried to minimize and downplay
what my experience was.
1452
01:26:57,587 --> 01:27:01,007
Her defense attorneys asked me
about this incident
1453
01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:03,593
when Maxwell gave me this massage,
1454
01:27:04,093 --> 01:27:06,095
and she had touched my breasts.
1455
01:27:07,138 --> 01:27:12,268
They tried to… challenge
the language that I used.
1456
01:27:13,061 --> 01:27:15,521
[McCawley] They tried to get her to admit
it wasn't the nipples.
1457
01:27:15,605 --> 01:27:18,608
It was really, sort of,
the outside portions of the breast.
1458
01:27:18,691 --> 01:27:22,111
But what we're talking about here
is a 16-year-old child
1459
01:27:22,195 --> 01:27:24,864
being rubbed by an adult woman
on her breasts.
1460
01:27:24,948 --> 01:27:27,825
Regardless of which part
of the breast it is.
1461
01:27:27,909 --> 01:27:31,871
It just infuriates me
to see someone equating those two
1462
01:27:31,955 --> 01:27:35,959
and trying to confuse
the public about what sexual abuse is.
1463
01:27:36,834 --> 01:27:38,836
[somber music playing]
1464
01:27:39,420 --> 01:27:41,631
[McCawley] I think that was just
a really powerful moment,
1465
01:27:41,714 --> 01:27:45,551
to see her on the stand,
saying that and speaking her truth.
1466
01:27:47,553 --> 01:27:49,973
[Annie Farmer] I was just barely
making it out of the courtroom
1467
01:27:50,056 --> 01:27:51,349
before I started crying.
1468
01:27:51,432 --> 01:27:53,977
It took a little while to get composure.
1469
01:27:54,727 --> 01:27:58,106
My husband came, telling me
I'd done a good job and that it was over.
1470
01:27:58,189 --> 01:27:59,899
And that was really…
1471
01:28:00,733 --> 01:28:03,653
[sighs] It just was such a huge relief.
1472
01:28:07,282 --> 01:28:09,284
[somber music playing]
1473
01:28:16,833 --> 01:28:17,959
[siren wails in distance]
1474
01:28:18,042 --> 01:28:19,919
[indistinct chatter]
1475
01:28:21,796 --> 01:28:23,881
You can't ever predict
what a jury's gonna do.
1476
01:28:23,965 --> 01:28:28,052
But they have all the evidence now.
So, hopefully, they do the right thing.
1477
01:28:28,136 --> 01:28:30,513
No matter what happens,
I don't think there's anything more
1478
01:28:30,596 --> 01:28:32,974
that any of our clients
or any of the women could've done,
1479
01:28:33,057 --> 01:28:35,768
and we're really, really,
really proud of them.
1480
01:28:37,478 --> 01:28:38,813
I agree with that.
1481
01:28:39,981 --> 01:28:42,400
[reporter 1] The case is now
in the hands of the jury,
1482
01:28:42,483 --> 01:28:45,194
and a verdict is possible
before Christmas Day,
1483
01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:48,448
which will be
Ghislaine Maxwell's 60th birthday.
1484
01:28:50,825 --> 01:28:52,744
[reporter 2]
Just before 10:30 this morning,
1485
01:28:52,827 --> 01:28:57,665
the jury asked for office supplies,
including Post-its, a whiteboard.
1486
01:28:57,749 --> 01:29:00,335
Also asked for the definition
of the word "enticement."
1487
01:29:01,252 --> 01:29:04,339
[Briquelet] I know people are impatient
that there hasn't been a verdict.
1488
01:29:04,422 --> 01:29:07,675
They're really putting thought into this
and consideration,
1489
01:29:07,759 --> 01:29:10,636
and I think if you were Ghislaine Maxwell,
you'd be happy about that.
1490
01:29:11,346 --> 01:29:14,640
[McCawley] We were hoping, of course,
that there would be a very quick verdict,
1491
01:29:14,724 --> 01:29:17,560
but as the days go on,
certainly it becomes concerning
1492
01:29:17,643 --> 01:29:19,354
that there could be a hung jury.
1493
01:29:21,731 --> 01:29:24,400
[reporter 3] We're standing by,
and we may have a verdict any moment
1494
01:29:24,484 --> 01:29:26,819
or not today. Who knows?
1495
01:29:26,903 --> 01:29:28,905
[tense music playing]
1496
01:29:33,576 --> 01:29:38,039
[Annie Farmer] I was at home,
and I had been trying to distract myself.
1497
01:29:38,122 --> 01:29:41,667
And so my mom and I decided
that we would go thrift shopping.
1498
01:29:41,751 --> 01:29:44,587
And I didn't realize my ringer was off,
1499
01:29:44,670 --> 01:29:47,840
and so I looked at my phone,
and I had a missed call from my husband,
1500
01:29:47,924 --> 01:29:51,219
and I had a text message
from another Epstein survivor.
1501
01:29:51,803 --> 01:29:56,474
I've just rushed out of the courtroom now.
To give you a sense of the picture
1502
01:29:56,557 --> 01:29:58,017
inside that courtroom,
1503
01:29:58,101 --> 01:30:01,854
Ghislaine Maxwell is sat
behind the defense table,
1504
01:30:01,938 --> 01:30:03,898
as she has been throughout this trial.
1505
01:30:03,981 --> 01:30:06,567
She's wearing a…
a maroon turtleneck jumper.
1506
01:30:06,651 --> 01:30:11,114
Judge Alison Nathan took her seat
in the courtroom and said,
1507
01:30:11,197 --> 01:30:12,949
"I have a verdict."
1508
01:30:13,616 --> 01:30:16,285
So, I ran into the parking lot
and called my husband,
1509
01:30:16,369 --> 01:30:18,329
and he was on the computer
1510
01:30:18,413 --> 01:30:22,750
and read to me as the verdict came out.
1511
01:30:23,835 --> 01:30:26,754
[reporter 3] Ghislaine Maxwell
has been found guilty
1512
01:30:26,838 --> 01:30:28,840
of five of the six charges,
1513
01:30:28,923 --> 01:30:33,010
including that most serious
sex-trafficking charge.
1514
01:30:33,094 --> 01:30:37,849
She faces, for that charge alone,
a maximum of 40 years in prison.
1515
01:30:39,308 --> 01:30:42,437
I started crying in the parking lot
and jumping up and down,
1516
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,021
and Sigrid called on the other line.
1517
01:30:44,981 --> 01:30:47,567
[McCawley] Of course,
the very first thing, I called Annie,
1518
01:30:47,650 --> 01:30:50,361
and we just had an incredible moment.
1519
01:30:50,445 --> 01:30:52,238
I think we both cried together.
1520
01:30:52,321 --> 01:30:54,949
It was… It was very emotional.
1521
01:30:56,534 --> 01:30:58,953
-[woman] Kevin, will you be speaking?
-[man 1] Mr. Maxwell?
1522
01:30:59,036 --> 01:31:00,329
[man 2] What's your reaction?
1523
01:31:00,413 --> 01:31:04,083
[reporter 1] Tonight marks the final fall
from grace for Ghislaine Maxwell.
1524
01:31:04,167 --> 01:31:07,253
A jury has decided
that she wasn't just a bystander
1525
01:31:07,336 --> 01:31:09,922
to the sexual offenses by Jeffrey Epstein.
1526
01:31:10,548 --> 01:31:13,009
They decided that she was,
herself, a predator.
1527
01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:16,554
[reporter 2] What was her…
What was her reaction backstage?
1528
01:31:16,637 --> 01:31:17,889
Was it emotional?
1529
01:31:18,848 --> 01:31:21,684
[Briquelet]
Ghislaine's reaction to the guilty verdict
1530
01:31:21,767 --> 01:31:23,311
was a little bit surprising.
1531
01:31:23,394 --> 01:31:26,898
She didn't break down.
She didn't cry or say anything.
1532
01:31:26,981 --> 01:31:30,318
It just seemed like
she took a sip of water and sat down,
1533
01:31:30,401 --> 01:31:31,319
and that was it.
1534
01:31:31,903 --> 01:31:36,532
Ghislaine is going to go down in history
as one of those rare female predators.
1535
01:31:36,616 --> 01:31:37,950
And that's highly unusual.
1536
01:31:38,034 --> 01:31:41,120
What is her legacy now?
Um, it's one of disgrace.
1537
01:31:42,246 --> 01:31:45,208
[reporter 3] The charges that Maxwell
has been convicted of include
1538
01:31:45,291 --> 01:31:46,959
sex trafficking of a minor,
1539
01:31:47,043 --> 01:31:49,879
transporting a minor
to engage in criminal sexual activity,
1540
01:31:49,962 --> 01:31:53,799
and three conspiracy charges
related to sex trafficking.
1541
01:31:53,883 --> 01:31:56,177
[reporters]
Miss Menninger! Miss Menninger!
1542
01:31:56,260 --> 01:31:58,304
You have to make way, please.
One way or the other.
1543
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,724
Will there be an appeals process?
1544
01:32:02,558 --> 01:32:04,435
Do you intend to appeal this verdict?
1545
01:32:08,147 --> 01:32:11,067
[Sternheim] We firmly believe
in Ghislaine's innocence.
1546
01:32:11,150 --> 01:32:14,695
Obviously, we are very disappointed
with the verdict.
1547
01:32:14,779 --> 01:32:17,615
We have already started working
on the appeal,
1548
01:32:17,698 --> 01:32:20,451
and we are confident
that she will be vindicated.
1549
01:32:20,535 --> 01:32:23,329
Everyone, be healthy.
Have a happy New Year.
1550
01:32:23,412 --> 01:32:25,081
[reporter 4] How is Ghislaine doing?
1551
01:32:25,164 --> 01:32:27,166
[reporters clamoring]
1552
01:32:27,875 --> 01:32:30,753
[McCawley] With the counts that
Ghislaine Maxwell has been convicted on,
1553
01:32:30,836 --> 01:32:33,506
she could be in prison for up to 65 years.
1554
01:32:33,589 --> 01:32:36,551
So, this is really
a tremendous verdict for the survivors.
1555
01:32:36,634 --> 01:32:38,427
[reporter 5] Ghislaine Maxwell
was charged…
1556
01:32:38,511 --> 01:32:41,264
[McCawley] It really shows
that the jury heard them,
1557
01:32:41,347 --> 01:32:42,640
believed them,
1558
01:32:42,723 --> 01:32:45,935
and did the right thing
by convicting Ghislaine Maxwell.
1559
01:32:47,061 --> 01:32:49,021
For a few minutes, I cried uncontrollably.
1560
01:32:49,105 --> 01:32:51,566
I never thought I'd ever see the day…
1561
01:32:53,859 --> 01:32:55,361
where she was convicted.
1562
01:32:56,946 --> 01:33:00,449
[Ransome] It's very much been
a group effort to bring her down.
1563
01:33:00,533 --> 01:33:04,829
And it's taken many, many years
to finally get justice.
1564
01:33:05,663 --> 01:33:08,332
It's one of the happiest days of my life.
1565
01:33:10,001 --> 01:33:14,213
[Edwards] I think I've spoken to over 50
of my clients about this verdict.
1566
01:33:14,297 --> 01:33:18,676
And one of them put it, I thought, best.
1567
01:33:18,759 --> 01:33:22,513
She said, "I feel like
we've finally been heard."
1568
01:33:26,726 --> 01:33:27,643
[car honking]
1569
01:33:28,144 --> 01:33:30,146
[reporter 1] Breaking news
out of Buckingham Palace,
1570
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:32,398
just weeks after
the Ghislaine Maxwell verdict,
1571
01:33:32,481 --> 01:33:36,193
the fallout continues for a man
associated with Maxwell
1572
01:33:36,277 --> 01:33:37,570
and Jeffrey Epstein.
1573
01:33:37,653 --> 01:33:41,699
Britain's Prince Andrew has reached
a settlement with his accuser
1574
01:33:41,782 --> 01:33:44,076
in a sexual assault lawsuit.
1575
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:46,704
[anchor] Miss Giuffre had, of course,
been suing the Duke of York,
1576
01:33:46,787 --> 01:33:50,625
claiming that he sexually assaulted her
on three occasions when she was 17.
1577
01:33:50,708 --> 01:33:52,960
The figure that's been touted widely
this morning
1578
01:33:53,044 --> 01:33:56,339
in all the newspapers and outlets
is about £12 million.
1579
01:33:56,839 --> 01:33:59,884
[Palmeri] Prince Andrew settled
with Virginia Roberts Giuffre,
1580
01:33:59,967 --> 01:34:02,553
and the Queen stripped him
of his royal title.
1581
01:34:02,637 --> 01:34:03,763
[crowd shouting]
1582
01:34:03,846 --> 01:34:06,974
[reporter 2] An unprecedented situation,
this, for the Royal Family.
1583
01:34:07,558 --> 01:34:10,144
[Boies] This is the Queen's favorite son.
1584
01:34:10,227 --> 01:34:14,315
That has been his persona
for his entire life.
1585
01:34:14,398 --> 01:34:17,276
He has been His Royal Highness,
Prince of England,
1586
01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:22,865
and Virginia's lawsuit is important
because of that.
1587
01:34:25,034 --> 01:34:27,953
[Annie Farmer] I was so proud of Virginia
1588
01:34:28,037 --> 01:34:33,084
for fighting to have
Prince Andrew held accountable.
1589
01:34:33,167 --> 01:34:34,960
I mean, I could not have imagined
1590
01:34:35,044 --> 01:34:38,589
that she would, you know,
be able to accomplish this.
1591
01:34:39,632 --> 01:34:41,634
[somber music playing]
1592
01:34:50,101 --> 01:34:53,145
[Annie Farmer]
I think it is really important to me
1593
01:34:53,229 --> 01:34:56,774
to make a statement
about how I've stood up for myself
1594
01:34:56,857 --> 01:34:59,944
and for other women and girls.
1595
01:35:02,029 --> 01:35:04,407
-Thank you so much for meeting me here.
-Of course.
1596
01:35:04,490 --> 01:35:05,366
[Annie Farmer sighs]
1597
01:35:05,950 --> 01:35:08,661
And not being afraid any longer
1598
01:35:08,744 --> 01:35:11,580
of Maxwell or Epstein
and their powerful friends.
1599
01:35:12,081 --> 01:35:15,543
I think I told you, they kept my boots,
uh, after the trial.
1600
01:35:15,626 --> 01:35:17,128
I don't know if I'm getting them back.
1601
01:35:17,211 --> 01:35:20,631
So I would like to buy
a pair of nice boots for myself.
1602
01:35:22,258 --> 01:35:25,261
I think that this experience
has made me more aware
1603
01:35:25,344 --> 01:35:29,807
of how it's not uncommon
that people who are predators
1604
01:35:29,890 --> 01:35:33,936
have come to occupy positions
with a lot of prestige
1605
01:35:34,019 --> 01:35:36,105
or, uh, power in some way.
1606
01:35:36,188 --> 01:35:39,650
I didn't recognize this
as the systemic issue that it was.
1607
01:35:40,234 --> 01:35:43,487
I actually was looking on your website
and saw you had a boot called "The Annie."
1608
01:35:43,571 --> 01:35:45,740
-We do. We do.
-Ooh. Could I try some on?
1609
01:35:45,823 --> 01:35:46,657
Yeah, sure.
1610
01:35:48,909 --> 01:35:54,457
[McCawley] This whole story has been about
how money and power overcome justice.
1611
01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:57,418
And what we're seeing now
is something vastly different.
1612
01:35:58,252 --> 01:36:01,297
And I think that shows you,
regardless of stature,
1613
01:36:01,380 --> 01:36:02,840
you will be held accountable.
1614
01:36:04,175 --> 01:36:07,470
[Edwards] All of the time and energy
and effort and sleepless nights
1615
01:36:07,553 --> 01:36:09,472
and fighting was worth it.
1616
01:36:09,555 --> 01:36:11,140
The justice system worked.
1617
01:36:11,724 --> 01:36:13,142
[Annie Farmer] These are good boots.
1618
01:36:13,225 --> 01:36:15,519
[Temple] They should rename them
"The Annie Farmer Boots."
1619
01:36:15,603 --> 01:36:16,771
[Annie Farmer laughs]
1620
01:36:16,854 --> 01:36:21,192
It's a real lesson to people
about the need to pay attention
1621
01:36:21,859 --> 01:36:22,943
to what's going on
1622
01:36:23,027 --> 01:36:26,697
and the need to protect
the vulnerable people in our society.
1623
01:36:28,741 --> 01:36:31,827
-I got 'em. Are you ready?
-[Temple] You got 'em. Yeah. You?
1624
01:36:32,661 --> 01:36:34,872
-Good night. See you. Bye.
-Good night. I'll see you. Bye.
1625
01:36:35,372 --> 01:36:39,502
[Annie Farmer] My new boots mean to me
stepping into a new phase of my life.
1626
01:36:40,211 --> 01:36:41,587
There was a lot of darkness
1627
01:36:41,670 --> 01:36:44,298
around what happened
with Epstein and Maxwell,
1628
01:36:44,381 --> 01:36:46,383
and I'm leaving that behind.
1629
01:36:46,467 --> 01:36:48,761
And I'm hoping to be able to do more
1630
01:36:48,844 --> 01:36:51,847
to share what I've learned
and to connect with other people.
1631
01:36:51,931 --> 01:36:55,851
And I think that, in a way, these boots
just feel like a powerful symbol
1632
01:36:55,935 --> 01:36:58,229
of me stepping into that new future.
1633
01:36:58,312 --> 01:37:00,314
[somber music playing]
1634
01:37:24,797 --> 01:37:26,799
[somber music continues]