1 00:00:00,625 --> 00:00:03,542 (mysterious music) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08,656 --> 00:00:11,406 (glass clinking) 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,357 (mysterious music) 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,070 - [Narrator] From humble beginnings 7 00:00:20,070 --> 00:00:22,550 to legendary award-winning journalist, 8 00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:25,380 Jaime Maussan has been trusted as the voice 9 00:00:25,380 --> 00:00:29,253 of the people in Mexico for more than 47 years. 10 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:37,497 For the first time the audience will have access to the information of a UFO case 11 00:00:38,721 --> 00:00:44,121 That code we explain using the technology and knowledge we have on earth 12 00:00:44,318 --> 00:00:49,118 This case was carefully studied by our 60 minutes team 13 00:00:49,142 --> 00:00:53,142 and it turns out to be amazing and fascinating 14 00:00:53,453 --> 00:00:56,753 Joining us to talk about the UFO subject the specialist 15 00:00:56,755 --> 00:00:59,955 Arturo Garza Rodriguez director of Alternative UFO 16 00:00:59,979 --> 00:01:02,379 Good morning thank you for being in here with us 17 00:01:02,420 --> 00:01:04,470 (audience applauding) 18 00:01:04,594 --> 00:01:07,494 Mr. Joel Sampayo climate, sky reports and skeptic. 19 00:01:07,518 --> 00:01:10,118 Good morning thank you for being in here with us 20 00:01:10,142 --> 00:01:11,842 (audience applauding) 21 00:01:11,966 --> 00:01:13,766 UFO Specialist Jaime Maussan good morning 22 00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:14,916 (audience applauding) 23 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:17,523 In the mid '90s, Maussan brought the subject 24 00:01:17,523 --> 00:01:20,290 of UFOs to the spotlight. 25 00:01:20,290 --> 00:01:23,450 - Then I became the anchor and finally the director 26 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:27,510 of this show that was on the air until 1995. 27 00:01:27,510 --> 00:01:31,130 From then on, I became involved with something 28 00:01:31,130 --> 00:01:33,559 that I thought was very important. 29 00:01:33,559 --> 00:01:34,870 UFOs. 30 00:01:34,870 --> 00:01:37,850 I know many people think that they are not important 31 00:01:37,850 --> 00:01:39,970 that they are an illusion or fantasy 32 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,650 but I realized that many people had cameras 33 00:01:45,550 --> 00:01:47,270 at the beginning of the '90s 34 00:01:47,270 --> 00:01:49,630 and they were able to record the UFOs. 35 00:01:49,630 --> 00:01:52,630 And I thought that I had a chance 36 00:01:52,630 --> 00:01:55,743 with these evidences to change the way people think. 37 00:01:57,053 --> 00:01:59,970 (mysterious music) 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,990 - [Narrator] Maussan has received 39 00:02:15,990 --> 00:02:19,320 the United Nations Global 500 Award, 40 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,600 three times the National Prize of Journalism in Mexico, 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,290 the Ondas Award for journalists in Spain. 42 00:02:27,290 --> 00:02:31,640 He was recognized at the Capitol in Washington, DC. 43 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:35,150 Currently he is presenting "Third Millennium News" 44 00:02:35,150 --> 00:02:39,650 from Monday to Friday at 10:00 p.m. on national television. 45 00:02:39,650 --> 00:02:43,200 This news has set the standard for audience records 46 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,667 for the channel a+ (A Mas) on several occasions. 47 00:02:47,667 --> 00:02:50,350 "Tercer Milenio" continues to be presented 48 00:02:50,350 --> 00:02:54,360 every Sunday on prime time after 22 years 49 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,433 of uninterrupted transmission on Mexican TV. 50 00:02:58,780 --> 00:03:01,942 - I was not gonna be a journalist. 51 00:03:01,942 --> 00:03:06,560 I was gonna be an administrative worker for my father. 52 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,400 He had a company and he wished 53 00:03:10,620 --> 00:03:14,623 that I was able to take care of his company. 54 00:03:16,460 --> 00:03:19,770 And I never thought that I wanted to be a journalist. 55 00:03:19,770 --> 00:03:22,540 Because 50 years ago, 56 00:03:22,540 --> 00:03:27,190 the journalist in Mexico were not very honest. 57 00:03:27,190 --> 00:03:30,500 They wanted money for everything they put 58 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:33,680 on the TV or in a newspaper. 59 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:38,680 And my father was a rancher, he had bull fights. 60 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,800 He was also impresario for big bull rings. 61 00:03:43,810 --> 00:03:46,720 He organized bull fights. 62 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,060 Even my aunt was a bull fighter. 63 00:03:50,060 --> 00:03:52,943 Then I was going to become one. 64 00:03:54,540 --> 00:03:55,580 But at the same time, 65 00:03:55,580 --> 00:03:58,333 my father wanted me to take care of his business. 66 00:03:59,569 --> 00:04:03,403 But in the last day when I had to choose my major, 67 00:04:04,250 --> 00:04:07,000 a friend of mine came to me and asked me 68 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,200 what was going to be my future, 69 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,970 what kind of major I was going to choose, 70 00:04:13,970 --> 00:04:16,891 business administration something like that. 71 00:04:16,891 --> 00:04:18,940 And he said, "Oh, that's boring." 72 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:20,210 And I said, "Why?" 73 00:04:20,210 --> 00:04:21,790 Because it's just numbers, 74 00:04:21,790 --> 00:04:26,680 it's just in a closed place with no windows. 75 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,554 And I said, "What are you going to study?" 76 00:04:28,554 --> 00:04:29,890 He said journalism. 77 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:33,567 And I said, "Oh, you're going to be a corrupt man. 78 00:04:33,567 --> 00:04:35,810 You're gonna try to take money from people." 79 00:04:35,810 --> 00:04:40,470 And he said, "No, journalism is to change the world. 80 00:04:40,470 --> 00:04:43,720 Journalism is the possibility to create conscious. 81 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,210 Journalism is traveling. 82 00:04:46,210 --> 00:04:49,040 Journalism is going into the open 83 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,247 and reporting what you find." 84 00:04:52,220 --> 00:04:54,103 And I liked that. 85 00:04:54,103 --> 00:04:57,650 And I immediately changed my major, 86 00:04:57,650 --> 00:05:00,930 probably the best decision I have done in my life. 87 00:05:00,930 --> 00:05:05,470 Then I decided, but my father didn't like the idea. 88 00:05:05,470 --> 00:05:06,500 And at the same time, 89 00:05:06,500 --> 00:05:11,170 he knew that the journalists in Mexico were corrupt. 90 00:05:11,170 --> 00:05:12,567 And I said to my father, 91 00:05:12,567 --> 00:05:17,567 "I will never ever, Father, take any money from anyone. 92 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:20,707 I'm gonna be a very clean and honest journalist." 93 00:05:21,610 --> 00:05:25,010 And I have kept that promise until now. 94 00:05:25,010 --> 00:05:27,760 I've been an honest man all my life. 95 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,610 And thanks to that, 96 00:05:29,610 --> 00:05:32,370 I've been able to develop credibility. 97 00:05:32,370 --> 00:05:36,190 When I was a young kid, I saw the destruction of nature 98 00:05:36,190 --> 00:05:38,890 but I didn't know why I didn't like it. 99 00:05:38,890 --> 00:05:43,525 I knew that the animals were being killed, 100 00:05:43,525 --> 00:05:46,360 that there was a business doing with animals, 101 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:47,930 that anybody could take an animal 102 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:52,598 from their habitats and sell it. 103 00:05:52,598 --> 00:05:54,840 When I found journalism, 104 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:58,140 when I found my real passion for life, 105 00:05:58,140 --> 00:06:03,140 I really started to try to change my world. 106 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:05,280 And I was able to do it in many ways 107 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:09,010 because I worked in television with the most 108 00:06:09,010 --> 00:06:12,430 important journalist in Mexico, Jacobo Zabludovsky, 109 00:06:12,430 --> 00:06:14,703 the Walter Cronkite of the US, 110 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:18,851 a man that was very well known everywhere in Mexico. 111 00:06:18,851 --> 00:06:23,440 And I became very close to him, in many ways his right hand, 112 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,890 even though I was a teenager. 113 00:06:25,890 --> 00:06:28,570 When I did my first report, 114 00:06:28,570 --> 00:06:31,220 I took my report to Cannes in France. 115 00:06:31,220 --> 00:06:32,660 I was just 19. 116 00:06:32,660 --> 00:06:35,910 And I received a scholarship from the US 117 00:06:35,910 --> 00:06:40,690 from an American university, University of Ohio. 118 00:06:40,690 --> 00:06:42,863 And I was able to finish my career there. 119 00:06:44,188 --> 00:06:47,400 When I came back, I started working in journalism 120 00:06:48,270 --> 00:06:51,080 to try to protect the environment, 121 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,203 to try to protect the woods and the jungles. 122 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:00,560 I was able to find the Monarch butterfly in Mexico there, 123 00:07:01,470 --> 00:07:05,160 the hidden places where they hibernate. 124 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:09,050 Fred Urquhart, a Canadian scientist, 125 00:07:09,050 --> 00:07:10,590 he's the one who found it, I mean, 126 00:07:10,590 --> 00:07:14,570 he's the one who really tracked the Monarch butterfly. 127 00:07:14,570 --> 00:07:18,950 But he published his article in National Geographic. 128 00:07:18,950 --> 00:07:20,470 He never said what it was. 129 00:07:20,470 --> 00:07:24,480 My network Televisa asked me to go and find the place. 130 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,340 It took us two years to find it, but we finally did. 131 00:07:28,340 --> 00:07:30,470 And I was able to present for the first time 132 00:07:30,470 --> 00:07:33,440 to the Mexican people the Monarch butterfly 133 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:38,083 and I was able to get protection for the Monarch butterfly. 134 00:07:39,150 --> 00:07:43,730 Then working in "60 Minutes" in Mexico as reporter, 135 00:07:43,730 --> 00:07:45,540 I was able to get involved 136 00:07:45,540 --> 00:07:47,320 with the protection of the turtles. 137 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,160 In Mexico, we used to kill the turtles in slaughterhouses. 138 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,160 And thanks to my report in "60 Minutes," they were closed. 139 00:07:58,250 --> 00:08:01,100 We created laws to protect the turtles. 140 00:08:01,100 --> 00:08:03,810 And that's the reason why some 141 00:08:03,810 --> 00:08:07,763 of these species of turtles have now recuperated. 142 00:08:08,630 --> 00:08:11,230 I was able to do many things to speak 143 00:08:11,230 --> 00:08:16,000 about the climate change or the global warming back to 1986. 144 00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:21,160 I was able to speak about the El Nino current 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:26,060 in '87 or the depletion of the solar layer in '88. 146 00:08:26,060 --> 00:08:27,410 We were just two journalists 147 00:08:27,410 --> 00:08:30,110 from all around the world who went 148 00:08:30,110 --> 00:08:33,370 with NASA to the North Pole to report 149 00:08:33,370 --> 00:08:36,410 if there was a hole in the North Pole, 150 00:08:36,410 --> 00:08:40,130 as the one that had been observed in the South Pole. 151 00:08:40,130 --> 00:08:42,210 They found that no, there was not a hole. 152 00:08:42,210 --> 00:08:44,950 It was a little bit depleted 153 00:08:44,950 --> 00:08:47,980 but we didn't have the same problem. 154 00:08:47,980 --> 00:08:52,130 Because of the currents are different in both poles. 155 00:08:52,130 --> 00:08:56,950 Anyway, I was able to be there with a German journalist 156 00:08:56,950 --> 00:08:59,450 and even the NASA people were amazed 157 00:08:59,450 --> 00:09:02,250 that they said a reporter, 158 00:09:02,250 --> 00:09:06,210 a journalist from a tropical country is here. 159 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:11,210 Why the Americans, why the Europeans are not here? 160 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,970 But I was very much involved 161 00:09:14,970 --> 00:09:16,050 in the protection of environment. 162 00:09:16,050 --> 00:09:18,810 And when I found that news, 163 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:22,370 the Televisa allowed me to go and participate 164 00:09:22,370 --> 00:09:27,203 with NASA in these investigations back in January, 1988. 165 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:30,560 And I was able to do many other things like, 166 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,100 for example, to help the Tarahumaras 167 00:09:33,100 --> 00:09:35,620 in the Sierra in Mexico. 168 00:09:35,620 --> 00:09:38,450 They were dying of hunger and cold. 169 00:09:38,450 --> 00:09:43,450 And also in '88, '87, we were able to get thousands 170 00:09:45,098 --> 00:09:49,880 of tons of food for them with that report 171 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,800 in "60 Minutes" in Mexico. 172 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,050 Then I became the anchor and finally the director 173 00:09:55,050 --> 00:09:59,070 of this show that was on the air until 1995. 174 00:09:59,070 --> 00:10:02,710 From then on, I became involved with something 175 00:10:02,710 --> 00:10:05,200 that I thought was very important. 176 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,470 UFOs. 177 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:09,460 I know many people think that they are not important, 178 00:10:09,460 --> 00:10:12,270 that they are an illusion or fantasy, 179 00:10:12,270 --> 00:10:16,240 but I realized that many people had cameras 180 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,850 at the beginning of the '90s 181 00:10:18,850 --> 00:10:21,200 and they were able to record the UFOs. 182 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,620 And I thought that I had a chance with these evidences 183 00:10:25,620 --> 00:10:27,353 to change the way people think. 184 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:33,473 Back in '90, '91, there was a total solar eclipse in Mexico, 185 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:37,350 probably the longest or the second longest 186 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:41,010 in the whole century, six minutes and 54 seconds. 187 00:10:41,010 --> 00:10:46,010 And people, many people in Mexico recorded the solar eclipse 188 00:10:46,740 --> 00:10:51,150 but some people got UFOs in the middle of their videos. 189 00:10:51,150 --> 00:10:53,726 And I thought that was very important. 190 00:10:53,726 --> 00:10:55,134 (mysterious music) 191 00:10:55,134 --> 00:10:56,951 Hours later during the astronomical phenomenon 192 00:10:57,075 --> 00:11:00,475 on TV program 24 Hours with Jacobo Zabkudevsky 193 00:11:00,499 --> 00:11:04,899 Guillermo Arreguin's video showed a flying saucer 194 00:11:04,923 --> 00:11:08,723 which was silver color on the top side and dark underneath 195 00:11:08,847 --> 00:11:13,647 it seemed to be spinning and flew for several minutes over Mexico 196 00:11:13,671 --> 00:11:17,971 Days later, more videos appeared and this was the beginning of the 197 00:11:17,995 --> 00:11:22,295 most important UFO surge of the 90s and that it remains till this day 198 00:11:22,319 --> 00:11:28,319 But this also reignited Mexican culture of watching the sky 199 00:11:29,943 --> 00:11:34,743 Obviously other voices cried out that this was a misinterpretation 200 00:11:34,767 --> 00:11:38,167 images or that it was the planet Venus, However up until 2009 201 00:11:38,191 --> 00:11:41,491 those voices have not presented any analysis or research 202 00:11:41,515 --> 00:11:43,515 to end the controversy 203 00:11:44,139 --> 00:11:48,039 What is clear for us is that this unidentified flying object 204 00:11:48,063 --> 00:11:53,963 was seen in different places of central Mexico which implies that this 205 00:11:53,987 --> 00:11:58,587 wasn't something imagined. Since the same object appears in most of the videos 206 00:11:59,311 --> 00:12:02,111 This video was seen around the world and has been presented in different 207 00:12:02,135 --> 00:12:09,435 TV programs. This solar eclipse began a new era of study and research of UFOs 208 00:12:09,459 --> 00:12:14,859 phenomenon in our country because citizens had in their hands the necessary 209 00:12:14,883 --> 00:12:20,083 technology to record those strange ufos which they could only talk about before 210 00:12:20,107 --> 00:12:22,019 or say, "I saw one". So, they know now how important video cameras are 211 00:12:22,043 --> 00:12:26,340 - I was invited to this program because I had done a report 212 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:30,943 on "60 Minutes" about Billy Meier and people identified me. 213 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:33,250 But as a matter of fact, 214 00:12:33,250 --> 00:12:35,820 I didn't want to go to this television show 215 00:12:35,820 --> 00:12:40,083 because I thought that UFOs were not good for journalists, 216 00:12:41,020 --> 00:12:43,340 that they were very risky 217 00:12:43,340 --> 00:12:45,810 and I shouldn't get involved with this. 218 00:12:45,810 --> 00:12:48,260 But my company, my network asked me to go 219 00:12:48,260 --> 00:12:51,593 to the show, "Y usted que opina?" 220 00:12:51,593 --> 00:12:54,370 And it was so successful that they asked me to go 221 00:12:54,370 --> 00:12:56,700 for a second time and I didn't want to go. 222 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:58,610 I really didn't want to go. 223 00:12:58,610 --> 00:13:01,717 I said, "That's it, no more UFOs please." 224 00:13:02,650 --> 00:13:06,500 But this man insisted, "Please, this is the last time. 225 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:08,440 Let's do another show 226 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,480 because you know how many people saw these, 227 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,220 millions and millions and millions of people. 228 00:13:15,220 --> 00:13:16,937 And I want to do a new one." 229 00:13:18,060 --> 00:13:19,850 And I say, "Okay, but this is the last one. 230 00:13:19,850 --> 00:13:21,550 This is really the last show." 231 00:13:21,550 --> 00:13:26,550 And I went there and I was able to find these videos 232 00:13:26,630 --> 00:13:28,310 that were recorded by some people 233 00:13:28,310 --> 00:13:30,603 of the eclipse where they found UFOs. 234 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:36,830 When I presented this, very early in the morning, 235 00:13:36,830 --> 00:13:39,360 probably three or four o'clock in the morning, 236 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,200 it was a revolution. 237 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,090 Thousands of people came to the television. 238 00:13:43,090 --> 00:13:44,330 At five o'clock in the morning, 239 00:13:44,330 --> 00:13:46,785 there were more than five or 10,000 people 240 00:13:46,785 --> 00:13:49,690 outside the station because they wanted to get in 241 00:13:49,690 --> 00:13:52,320 because they were so excited with these videos. 242 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,440 And after that show, nothing was the same for me in my life. 243 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,100 I received many invitations 244 00:13:58,100 --> 00:14:00,890 from different universities in Mexico. 245 00:14:00,890 --> 00:14:05,460 Then I received invitations from international congresses 246 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:08,370 around the world and I couldn't get away. 247 00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:09,700 I couldn't get away anymore. 248 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:13,920 Then I started without even thinking 249 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,753 to get so much involved because people send me videos 250 00:14:17,753 --> 00:14:20,937 and hundreds of videos of UFOs. 251 00:14:20,937 --> 00:14:24,860 And then I realized that this was very important. 252 00:14:24,860 --> 00:14:26,313 This was a new phenomenon, 253 00:14:26,313 --> 00:14:28,470 a phenomenon inside the phenomenon, 254 00:14:28,470 --> 00:14:31,270 where people were recording these things with cameras 255 00:14:31,270 --> 00:14:33,350 because everybody had a camera now 256 00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:38,000 or many people had a camera, VHS back in 1991. 257 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,410 And I thought with the development of technology, 258 00:14:40,410 --> 00:14:43,840 more and more and more people are gonna have cameras. 259 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,020 And then I said, well, I am very sure in the future 260 00:14:49,050 --> 00:14:50,590 everyone is gonna have a camera 261 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:53,620 and we be able to have many more videos, 262 00:14:53,620 --> 00:14:55,790 many more evidences. 263 00:14:55,790 --> 00:15:00,790 And I started to promote people to watch the sky, 264 00:15:02,090 --> 00:15:05,140 when they have time to watch the sky 265 00:15:05,140 --> 00:15:07,370 and record whatever it was there. 266 00:15:07,370 --> 00:15:09,480 I never thought this was gonna be successful 267 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,930 but then I received one video recorded by one person, 268 00:15:12,930 --> 00:15:16,230 and then another and another and another 269 00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:19,730 and then dozens and then hundreds. 270 00:15:19,730 --> 00:15:21,700 And then I didn't know what to do 271 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:23,483 with so much evidence I had. 272 00:15:25,218 --> 00:15:30,218 In 1995 ended "60 Minutes" and I received more 273 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,773 and more invitations to present conferences. 274 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:40,840 And I went all around Mexico, and I mean all around Mexico, 275 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,140 presenting all the evidences with full theaters. 276 00:15:44,140 --> 00:15:49,140 And I'm talking thousand people, 2,000 people everywhere. 277 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:50,883 And I couldn't escape anymore. 278 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,613 I became the center of this phenomenon in Mexico. 279 00:15:56,620 --> 00:16:01,620 In 1997, I started the show, "Tercer Milenio" on Televisa. 280 00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:04,283 That lasted until 2003. 281 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,187 Then when out of the air. 282 00:16:08,739 --> 00:16:12,739 (speaking in foreign language) 283 00:16:24,658 --> 00:16:26,510 - Televisa had a huge network, 284 00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:29,700 the national network in Mexico, asked me to come back 285 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:34,700 and present "Tercer Milenio" in 2004. 286 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,637 (mysterious music) 287 00:16:43,097 --> 00:16:44,714 We are in the midst of a reality that changes 288 00:16:44,738 --> 00:16:45,738 It evolves 289 00:16:45,762 --> 00:16:47,962 It's closer to us everyday 290 00:16:47,986 --> 00:16:51,586 Clear messages that appear in the farmlands of England 291 00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:55,010 that can't be considered the pranks of a few hoaxers 292 00:16:55,034 --> 00:16:58,134 Our job has been to bring this information to you 293 00:16:58,158 --> 00:17:00,158 to get you closer 294 00:17:00,182 --> 00:17:02,782 This is the age of encounter 295 00:17:05,006 --> 00:17:10,106 We must realize that we live in extraordinary times 296 00:17:11,462 --> 00:17:13,090 And I did it 297 00:17:13,090 --> 00:17:18,090 and I have been on the air since 2004 until now. 298 00:17:19,940 --> 00:17:22,230 A very successful show. 299 00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:24,840 Now it's running in a different network, 300 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,840 also a national network, Azteca, and we have even grow 301 00:17:31,056 --> 00:17:35,630 in numbers in ratings for around 302 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:38,970 2 million people watch the show every week, 303 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:41,610 which probably should be considered the most 304 00:17:41,610 --> 00:17:45,493 successful show on UFOs around the world. 305 00:17:46,746 --> 00:17:49,329 (upbeat music) 306 00:17:51,512 --> 00:17:54,110 - UFOs have been the stuff of conspiracy theorist 307 00:17:54,110 --> 00:17:56,960 for decades often mocked for talking about it. 308 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,610 But maybe they shouldn't be mocked. 309 00:17:58,610 --> 00:18:01,520 Commander David Fravor spent 18 years 310 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,820 as a Naval aviator pilot. 311 00:18:03,820 --> 00:18:07,160 In 2004, he had an unforgettable encounter with an aircraft 312 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,270 he said was defying the laws of physics. 313 00:18:10,270 --> 00:18:12,800 Commander Fravor joins us tonight. 314 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,250 Thanks for coming on tonight. 315 00:18:15,137 --> 00:18:17,203 Tell us what you saw. 316 00:18:19,290 --> 00:18:22,098 - Well, we had launched on a routine training mission. 317 00:18:22,098 --> 00:18:24,240 When we joined up, we were told 318 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,430 that the event was gonna be canceled 319 00:18:26,430 --> 00:18:28,040 and then we have real-world tasking 320 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,230 and we were sent out to the west. 321 00:18:29,230 --> 00:18:31,500 Now take in mind that this has taken place 322 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:33,310 about a hundred miles southwest of San Diego, 323 00:18:33,310 --> 00:18:35,605 between San Diego and Ensenada, Mexico 324 00:18:35,605 --> 00:18:39,140 on a clear perfect day, blue waters. 325 00:18:39,140 --> 00:18:41,973 We get out to the spot where they tell us it's at, 326 00:18:42,930 --> 00:18:45,660 we start looking around and both of us, 327 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:48,300 both airplanes see a disturbance in the water 328 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:53,090 and a white 40 foot long Tic Tac shaped object 329 00:18:53,090 --> 00:18:55,350 just hovering above the water going forward, 330 00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:56,183 back, left to right. 331 00:18:56,183 --> 00:18:57,170 There's no rotor wash. 332 00:18:57,170 --> 00:18:59,340 There's no wings, nothing. 333 00:18:59,340 --> 00:19:01,310 So as we drive around in a clockwise flow, 334 00:19:01,310 --> 00:19:02,940 we get to about the nine o'clock position, 335 00:19:02,940 --> 00:19:04,650 and I said I'm gonna go down and check it out 336 00:19:04,650 --> 00:19:06,700 and the other jet is gonna stay high. 337 00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:09,470 So as we go down, when we get to the 12 o'clock position, 338 00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:10,460 it starts to mirror us. 339 00:19:10,460 --> 00:19:12,030 So it's in a clockwise flow and it's 340 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:14,230 on the opposite side of the circle from us. 341 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:16,810 And we continue, it's in a climb or in a descent, 342 00:19:16,810 --> 00:19:17,910 we're getting a great look at it. 343 00:19:17,910 --> 00:19:19,820 This whole thing takes about probably up 344 00:19:19,820 --> 00:19:22,100 to five minutes from the time we show up. 345 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:23,580 I get over to the eight o'clock position. 346 00:19:23,580 --> 00:19:24,930 it's at about the two o'clock position 347 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:26,810 and I decide I'm gonna go and see what it is 348 00:19:26,810 --> 00:19:28,740 and it's about 2,000 feet below me. 349 00:19:28,740 --> 00:19:30,761 And I cut across the circle and as I get within 350 00:19:30,761 --> 00:19:33,870 about a half mile of it, it rapidly accelerates 351 00:19:33,870 --> 00:19:36,674 to the south in about two seconds and disappears. 352 00:19:37,274 --> 00:19:39,474 At one moment you were surrounded by these objects 353 00:19:39,498 --> 00:19:43,998 According to the information I heard from the back cabin 354 00:19:44,022 --> 00:19:50,922 from the chief operational coordinator there came a moment that he saw 355 00:19:50,946 --> 00:19:57,246 on the screens that the objects were in the back 356 00:19:57,270 --> 00:20:02,470 on the left side and in front of us. It was at that moment when 357 00:20:02,494 --> 00:20:03,894 I felt a little tension 358 00:20:04,674 --> 00:20:08,435 - What would you estimate the speed? 359 00:20:08,435 --> 00:20:10,510 - At well above supersonic. 360 00:20:10,510 --> 00:20:12,623 Like a bullet out of a gun, it took off. 361 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,260 - So from what you know about aerodynamics, 362 00:20:16,260 --> 00:20:21,260 mechanics, physics, should this be possible, what you saw? 363 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,220 - Not with the technology that we have today. 364 00:20:26,220 --> 00:20:27,180 Not at all. 365 00:20:27,180 --> 00:20:30,760 - Even now, even 13 years later, 366 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,270 is there anything that you know of capable 367 00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:35,113 of this kind of you have behavior? 368 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:37,963 - No, there is nothing I know of. 369 00:20:38,887 --> 00:20:41,450 When we saw the video with the IRR, 370 00:20:41,450 --> 00:20:45,970 it has no exhaust it, no discernible things 371 00:20:45,970 --> 00:20:48,050 of anything form of propulsion, 372 00:20:48,050 --> 00:20:49,760 and this thing came from a dead hover 373 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,330 over the water just kind of moving around 374 00:20:51,330 --> 00:20:53,980 to a climb up to about 12,000 feet 375 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:56,098 to rapidly accelerating away in a climb 376 00:20:56,098 --> 00:20:57,980 and in less than two seconds, it was gone. 377 00:20:57,980 --> 00:21:01,270 And you figure, you're talking 50 miles of visibility 378 00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:02,770 and you can easily see an object 379 00:21:02,770 --> 00:21:05,180 that size easily out to 10 miles 380 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:07,127 and it just disappeared in seconds. 381 00:21:07,127 --> 00:21:09,544 But in spite of that they never could see them? 382 00:21:09,568 --> 00:21:13,068 We could never identify them visually with the naked eye 383 00:21:13,092 --> 00:21:19,292 So it was only possible to detect the presence of them through FLIR? 384 00:21:19,316 --> 00:21:24,016 Yes only with the infrared FLIR system, precisely 385 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,540 That is, they were invisible to the eye? 386 00:21:26,564 --> 00:21:33,364 I think so because none of the crew members could see it 387 00:21:33,388 --> 00:21:34,088 with the naked eye 388 00:21:34,112 --> 00:21:37,212 From that distance, should you have been able to see them? 389 00:21:37,236 --> 00:21:42,636 The closest we were was two miles which a normal object 390 00:21:42,660 --> 00:21:47,660 or aircraft, experience tells me that we should have been able to 391 00:21:47,684 --> 00:21:52,584 That's the question we are left with from that operation 392 00:21:52,620 --> 00:21:55,450 - What would be the effects on a human pilot 393 00:21:55,450 --> 00:21:59,343 of the G-forces involved in that altitude change? 394 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,760 - Well, the altitude wouldn't be bad. 395 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:07,040 It would be the acceleration of the object. 396 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,330 Well, honestly, I wanted to fly it. 397 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:11,163 - Yeah, I bet. 398 00:22:13,310 --> 00:22:14,960 - Talking to some physicists, 399 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,700 they don't think the human body could handle 400 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:18,736 that kind of force with that acceleration. 401 00:22:18,736 --> 00:22:20,380 - It doesn't sound like the human body could. 402 00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:22,530 So bottom line, what do you think this was? 403 00:22:24,450 --> 00:22:26,530 - I believe, as do the other folks 404 00:22:26,530 --> 00:22:28,740 that were on the flight when we visually saw it, 405 00:22:28,740 --> 00:22:32,910 that it was something not from this world. 406 00:22:32,910 --> 00:22:35,710 - Presumably, you expressed that belief to your superiors. 407 00:22:35,710 --> 00:22:36,610 What did they say? 408 00:22:38,620 --> 00:22:40,620 - Actually, we caught a lot of grief getting back 409 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:44,270 to the boat and it got passed off as an event 410 00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:45,950 that no one could explain. 411 00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:47,470 Now, keep in mind, they had been tracking these 412 00:22:47,470 --> 00:22:49,670 for two weeks prior to us seeing it. 413 00:22:49,670 --> 00:22:51,400 And this was the first time that manned airplanes 414 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,193 had been airborne when the objects appeared. 415 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,288 - This feels like a really big story to me. 416 00:22:57,288 --> 00:23:00,730 It's not exactly clear why Vladimir Putin's 417 00:23:00,730 --> 00:23:01,980 more interesting than this. 418 00:23:01,980 --> 00:23:03,510 I think this seems like a big deal. 419 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:05,010 And Commander, I appreciate your taking the time 420 00:23:05,010 --> 00:23:06,890 to talk to us about it. 421 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:10,960 - Back in 2004, the Secretary of Defense 422 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,743 in Mexico called me to deliver a video to me. 423 00:23:16,150 --> 00:23:20,800 They recorded this video on March the fifth, 2004, 424 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,820 close to the Campeche area 425 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:27,080 but the plane was in the middle of the jungle. 426 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,370 They were able to record these lights 427 00:23:29,370 --> 00:23:30,663 following the airplane. 428 00:23:31,670 --> 00:23:34,303 11 lights following the airplane. 429 00:23:35,180 --> 00:23:38,730 The Mexican scientists went to the television to say 430 00:23:38,730 --> 00:23:43,730 that they were, how you say, lightning or energy in there. 431 00:23:45,570 --> 00:23:49,930 Bolt lighting, 11 bolt lighting following 432 00:23:49,930 --> 00:23:52,523 and surrounding an airplane. 433 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:56,670 They went to the Secretary of Defense later 434 00:23:56,670 --> 00:23:58,426 and said, "Oh, we are sorry. 435 00:23:58,426 --> 00:24:02,060 Oh, we were wrong, sorry. 436 00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:04,750 But they would never say that publicly. 437 00:24:04,750 --> 00:24:05,710 You see? 438 00:24:05,710 --> 00:24:08,400 But they know they were wrong 439 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,830 because the Secretary of Defense wouldn't deliver a video 440 00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:15,483 of UFOs if he knew it was something else. 441 00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:21,490 Then I can tell you that proves that in Mexico 442 00:24:21,490 --> 00:24:24,860 even the authorities are ready to accept this. 443 00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:27,310 The only reason we don't do it is because 444 00:24:27,310 --> 00:24:29,760 we don't want to confront the US. 445 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,430 We don't want to confront the scientists from the US 446 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:37,750 because they would make fun of the Mexican government 447 00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:40,443 and they would make jokes about that. 448 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:42,902 Nobody's ready for that. 449 00:24:42,902 --> 00:24:44,302 more information on the target 450 00:24:44,326 --> 00:24:52,502 It's traveling at speed 206 and it's on a 3.01 course 451 00:24:52,526 --> 00:24:57,626 Here it goes, here it goes, there it goes, there it goes 452 00:24:57,650 --> 00:25:00,250 And why are you picking it up until now? 453 00:25:00,274 --> 00:25:02,974 What is it, Juarez? Juarez, what is it? 454 00:25:02,998 --> 00:25:04,298 It is a point 455 00:25:04,322 --> 00:25:05,122 A point 456 00:25:05,146 --> 00:25:06,046 There it is 457 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:07,070 It's directly behind us 458 00:25:07,094 --> 00:25:11,894 Correct, now it's at 7 o'clock position with 10.5 miles 459 00:25:11,918 --> 00:25:18,618 It's on course 2.83 and 3.34 speed. Well, I am about to lose it on the 460 00:25:18,642 --> 00:25:19,642 radar and it's about to leave 461 00:25:19,666 --> 00:25:21,666 At 7 o'clock at the same altitude 462 00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:25,350 There are some clouds. It should be there 463 00:25:33,150 --> 00:25:35,350 What are we seeing here...There are some important apsects 464 00:25:35,374 --> 00:25:39,874 to comment on in addition to the audio of the 501 squad crew 465 00:25:39,898 --> 00:25:42,798 You can see two very large lights and below them 466 00:25:42,822 --> 00:25:44,422 a point that is not as bright 467 00:25:44,446 --> 00:25:48,646 but that is where the X is indicating maximum heat 468 00:25:48,670 --> 00:25:53,170 that is, the biggest energy point of those lights precisely below 469 00:25:53,194 --> 00:25:54,494 Let's see, what we have here? 470 00:25:54,518 --> 00:25:56,918 Nothing Sir 471 00:25:56,942 --> 00:25:57,742 Yes 472 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,700 Commander, what is that? 473 00:26:00,701 --> 00:26:02,431 What was the distance more or less, Tellez? 474 00:26:02,455 --> 00:26:04,855 Hey, get ready... it's like... 475 00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:08,480 There are more. More are following behind 476 00:26:08,504 --> 00:26:11,504 There are 10 or 11 objects 477 00:26:12,350 --> 00:26:16,750 Another important aspect is that we see the objects are moving 478 00:26:16,774 --> 00:26:23,474 for those who suggested that these were, in fact, oil wells, the oil well burners 479 00:26:23,498 --> 00:26:30,298 But we can clearly see, with the clouds for reference. 480 00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:42,000 it remains more or less stable and the objects are moving while the clouds 481 00:26:42,024 --> 00:26:47,324 appear to be still. Another very important aspect. I want you to see the numbers that 482 00:26:47,348 --> 00:26:51,048 are on the left of your screen, there you will see a zero. 483 00:26:51,072 --> 00:26:57,472 inside the zero is a small arrow. That arrow is indicating the inclination 484 00:26:57,496 --> 00:26:59,396 of the FLIR camera 485 00:26:59,420 --> 00:27:00,520 There they go, there they go 486 00:27:00,544 --> 00:27:05,044 Three, four, five, six... There are six of them... 487 00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:11,850 That is to say that it is literally at the horizon. It is not focused 488 00:27:11,874 --> 00:27:17,074 toward the ground, it is literally facing toward the horizon and the aircraft was 489 00:27:17,098 --> 00:27:19,098 flying at 3,500 meters 490 00:27:20,727 --> 00:27:22,727 And they're moving at speed but... 491 00:27:24,751 --> 00:27:27,151 one, two, three, four, five, six, seven 492 00:27:27,175 --> 00:27:28,975 eight on the screen 493 00:27:28,999 --> 00:27:30,999 Follow them, do not lose them 494 00:27:31,023 --> 00:27:32,223 Don't scare me 495 00:27:32,247 --> 00:27:36,347 Look out the window. We have one at approximately 496 00:27:36,371 --> 00:27:40,271 One O'clock and the others remain at nine 497 00:27:40,295 --> 00:27:41,595 They have you surrounded? 498 00:27:41,619 --> 00:27:42,619 Well, I don't know 499 00:27:42,643 --> 00:27:43,943 How far? 500 00:27:43,967 --> 00:27:45,967 It only tells me 501 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,060 Today is your lucky day, young men 502 00:27:53,100 --> 00:27:55,100 We are not alone 503 00:27:58,431 --> 00:27:59,931 They are surrounding us 504 00:27:59,955 --> 00:28:00,955 One at 1 o'clock 505 00:28:00,979 --> 00:28:08,879 At one, I have it 14.8 miles with course 99 and speed of 52 506 00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:11,900 He is following one and I am following the other one 507 00:28:11,924 --> 00:28:12,924 (crosstalk) 508 00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:16,400 Okay, one is on the radar, on FLIR We are seeing it on FLIR 509 00:28:16,424 --> 00:28:20,724 It is a luminous object, it is in the opposite direction of us 510 00:28:20,748 --> 00:28:23,648 but it does not leave us, it is two miles behind us 511 00:28:24,563 --> 00:28:28,560 - I received a call from the secretary 512 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,766 of the Secretary of Defense in Mexico. 513 00:28:31,766 --> 00:28:32,963 She asked me to come. 514 00:28:34,694 --> 00:28:37,320 I had an appointment, I went there, 515 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,947 I sit down in an office, nobody was there. 516 00:28:39,947 --> 00:28:44,920 And when I realized I was in the drug traffic 517 00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:49,077 from the administration from the military, 518 00:28:49,077 --> 00:28:52,090 and I said, "Jesus Christ, what happened? 519 00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:54,820 Did somebody say that I did something? 520 00:28:54,820 --> 00:28:56,290 What I'm doing here? 521 00:28:56,290 --> 00:28:58,650 I have to go, I have to go. 522 00:28:58,650 --> 00:29:00,190 This is the good." 523 00:29:00,190 --> 00:29:01,427 And then they came and say, 524 00:29:01,427 --> 00:29:03,870 "Mr. Maussan, can you come with us please?" 525 00:29:03,870 --> 00:29:06,917 And I said, "Jesus Christ, what is gonna happen now?" 526 00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:10,720 And they took me to a little theater 527 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,393 and they put the video on and they all said, 528 00:29:14,393 --> 00:29:16,287 "Can you explain this please?" 529 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,907 And I saw it and I said, 530 00:29:19,907 --> 00:29:23,187 "Jesus, are these things following the airplane?" 531 00:29:23,187 --> 00:29:26,160 "Yes, and they surrounded the airplane." 532 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,993 Yes. 533 00:29:26,993 --> 00:29:28,607 "Can I talk to the pilots?" 534 00:29:28,607 --> 00:29:31,260 "No, first tell us what you think." 535 00:29:31,260 --> 00:29:34,130 And I say, "Well, I think they are UFOs." 536 00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:37,630 The video had been recorded with a FLIR camera. 537 00:29:37,630 --> 00:29:42,630 This camera was, in 2004, just for the military. 538 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:46,520 It was a very specialized camera 539 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,410 that could track the infrared 540 00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:52,513 and could track the heat in the airspace. 541 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:57,660 They were using this camera in this airplane 542 00:29:57,660 --> 00:30:00,870 because they were looking for narcotics 543 00:30:00,870 --> 00:30:03,460 from drugs from South America. 544 00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:07,900 And they were in the area where is the shortest 545 00:30:07,900 --> 00:30:10,240 in Mexico from coast to coast. 546 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,390 And the airplanes had to go through there. 547 00:30:13,390 --> 00:30:18,390 And it was fairly easy to track these drug dealers. 548 00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:22,320 And they use this special equipment. 549 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,770 And the military saw these lights. 550 00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:29,080 They couldn't see the lights with their eyes. 551 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,600 They just saw it with the camera. 552 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,780 But they knew, they had a screen in the airplane 553 00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:37,120 and they were looking at the screen 554 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,930 even though they couldn't find it in the air, 555 00:30:39,930 --> 00:30:42,973 in the in the atmosphere, it was on the camera. 556 00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:46,038 And they got very nervous, especially when 557 00:30:46,038 --> 00:30:49,161 they were surrounded by these lights. 558 00:30:49,161 --> 00:30:54,161 The captain turned off the navigation lights 559 00:30:55,100 --> 00:31:00,100 because he thought he was gonna be confronted by these UFOs. 560 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,210 Then some people came and tried to explain 561 00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:08,580 that video saying that they were oil rigs. 562 00:31:10,191 --> 00:31:11,650 - [Interviewer] Letting off fire- 563 00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:16,340 - Exactly and some other things, missiles 564 00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:19,463 and so many really crazy things. 565 00:31:20,670 --> 00:31:25,130 But the military were there every day 566 00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:28,060 for many hours in the same place 567 00:31:28,060 --> 00:31:31,920 and they never saw something like this. 568 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,503 And they couldn't explain it. 569 00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:37,893 When I told them that these were UFOs, 570 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:42,490 they said, "Okay, thank you very much, Mr. Maussan." 571 00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:43,640 And I left. 572 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,070 They didn't tell me anything else. 573 00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:49,610 I receive a call again a couple of days later 574 00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:52,410 and they say, "The Secretary of Defense want 575 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,240 to see you personally in his office." 576 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,417 I went there and then he asked me, 577 00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:00,437 "What do you think they are?" 578 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:04,967 And I said, "UFOs, can I talk to the crew?" 579 00:32:04,967 --> 00:32:06,743 "You will, you will. 580 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,540 You are gonna be the only one who's gonna do that. 581 00:32:11,710 --> 00:32:13,240 I'm going to give you the tape. 582 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,230 You can do whatever you want. 583 00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:20,230 Just remember that you have the honor and the pride 584 00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:23,820 of the Armed Forces of Mexico in your hearts. 585 00:32:23,820 --> 00:32:25,209 Be very careful." 586 00:32:25,209 --> 00:32:31,326 When we made a turn to go towards Campeche the FLIR camera operator 587 00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:33,350 detected a white 588 00:32:33,374 --> 00:32:42,374 a target without form. It was shining. It was detected by the 589 00:32:42,474 --> 00:32:44,474 infrared camera... 590 00:32:44,745 --> 00:32:48,545 and it was being observed at all times with that camera 591 00:32:48,569 --> 00:32:54,269 Later we saw that we... 592 00:32:54,293 --> 00:32:57,693 We saw other targets on the left side 593 00:32:57,717 --> 00:33:02,717 of the aircraft, Apparently, there were eleven targets 594 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,800 In this case, we can assume that these eleven points 595 00:33:05,824 --> 00:33:10,324 that produced heat and that are seen through the FLIR video 596 00:33:10,348 --> 00:33:14,548 were they there even though they were not visible? 597 00:33:14,572 --> 00:33:19,972 They were there, and we referenced that by their positions 598 00:33:19,996 --> 00:33:27,896 They were always to the left of us, flying at the same height, and at approximately 599 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,620 the same speed. Well, we tried to find 600 00:33:31,945 --> 00:33:37,545 an image and the points remained hot at all times, completely hot 601 00:33:37,569 --> 00:33:39,569 Very hot? 602 00:33:39,593 --> 00:33:42,393 Very hot. They did have an irregular shape They were always circles 603 00:33:42,417 --> 00:33:45,717 Is this irregular with respect to aircraft? 604 00:33:45,741 --> 00:33:47,441 that you have previously detected? 605 00:33:47,465 --> 00:33:51,765 Yes, it is irregular because they did not have a shape 606 00:33:51,789 --> 00:33:56,889 they did not have a shape of any object I have seen before 607 00:33:56,913 --> 00:34:03,913 In other words, you have never seem or experienced this before? 608 00:34:03,937 --> 00:34:06,437 It had never happened to me, it is something that 609 00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:09,361 I don't know what to say, I can't tell you what it was 610 00:34:09,385 --> 00:34:13,785 I couldn't relate this experience to something I saw before 611 00:34:13,847 --> 00:34:17,580 - "If somebody asks you who gave you this video?" 612 00:34:17,580 --> 00:34:20,143 I thought, "Oh, he's gonna to say, 613 00:34:20,143 --> 00:34:22,167 'You don't know who gave you this.'" 614 00:34:22,167 --> 00:34:26,240 "You are gonna say that the Secretary of Defense 615 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:28,220 gave you these video." 616 00:34:28,220 --> 00:34:31,000 And I say, "Jesus Christ." 617 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,730 My pants almost fell down. 618 00:34:33,730 --> 00:34:37,310 I had this evidence, they have given me this evidence 619 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:41,160 and the Secretary of Defense of Mexico was supporting me 620 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,980 whatever I did with this. 621 00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:45,170 I felt a big responsibility. 622 00:34:45,170 --> 00:34:48,490 I investigated everything I could with this tape. 623 00:34:48,490 --> 00:34:51,920 I had a chance to interview all the crew, 624 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,000 the captain, and the cameraman, 625 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,250 and everyone that was inside the plane 626 00:34:58,250 --> 00:35:01,860 and all of them told me, "This is real, 627 00:35:01,860 --> 00:35:03,937 we've never seen anything like this." 628 00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:08,300 And then I presented this video in a national 629 00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,167 television program in Mexico, in the newscast, 630 00:35:11,167 --> 00:35:16,167 in the most important newscast on may, the ninth, 2004. 631 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,720 Next day, I gave a press conference and 632 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:26,620 all the international media came to the press conference. 633 00:35:26,620 --> 00:35:31,100 I gave them this video and next night or that night 634 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:36,100 it was everywhere around the world in every single newscast. 635 00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:39,220 I don't think there is a sighting of UFOs 636 00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:42,290 that has been presented everywhere 637 00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:46,620 like this happened in 2004. 638 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:51,620 And then I thought that I had done my job the best I could. 639 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,750 I never expected that the explanations 640 00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:57,937 that were gonna be given to this incredible 641 00:35:57,937 --> 00:36:01,720 video were gonna be so stupid as they were. 642 00:36:04,437 --> 00:36:06,854 Simultaneously recording video in the normal visual spectrum 643 00:36:06,878 --> 00:36:10,478 and infrared spectrum. This is the official name of the system 644 00:36:10,502 --> 00:36:15,002 developed by Pedro Avila, a Mexican that watches sky 645 00:36:15,026 --> 00:36:18,926 He's the creator of the technique that some say 646 00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:23,850 is a tool to study the UFO phenomenon worldwide 647 00:36:23,874 --> 00:36:27,674 Well, first of all, it makes me very proud to know that what 648 00:36:27,698 --> 00:36:31,098 I'm presenting here is something real. It's something genuine 649 00:36:31,122 --> 00:36:34,522 Pedro Avila, national director of the sky watchers 650 00:36:34,546 --> 00:36:40,146 who from this window recorded the most amazing unidentified flying objects 651 00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:45,370 is the creator of the technique which the official name of this system is 652 00:36:45,394 --> 00:36:51,794 Simultaneous video-recording technique in the normal and infrared spectrum 653 00:36:51,872 --> 00:36:55,039 - After I learned that there were UFOs 654 00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:58,510 that were invisible to the eye, 655 00:36:58,510 --> 00:37:01,720 I proposed that idea on television. 656 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,697 And Pedro Avila, a UFO hunter who cannot walk, 657 00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:12,380 he's in a chair, he's looking through 658 00:37:12,380 --> 00:37:17,210 his window all day long, built a device to put two cameras, 659 00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:24,333 one infrared and one normal spectrum, 660 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,610 and he was able, it's the only time that 661 00:37:28,610 --> 00:37:30,563 this has ever been done everywhere, 662 00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:36,360 where you have a camera recording in the normal spectrum 663 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,170 and the other camera in the infrared. 664 00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:42,430 And you can see this object in the infrared 665 00:37:42,430 --> 00:37:45,090 and you cannot clearly see anything 666 00:37:45,090 --> 00:37:49,810 in the normal spectrum proving that there are UFOs 667 00:37:49,810 --> 00:37:52,843 that are not visible to the eyes, to the sight. 668 00:37:53,730 --> 00:37:56,470 And I think that was very important. 669 00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:59,500 From then on, more and more people 670 00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:02,350 and with the development of technology, 671 00:38:02,350 --> 00:38:07,350 even the FLIR technology now available to many people, 672 00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:13,270 to almost anyone who wants to have a FLIR camera now, 673 00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:17,280 you can have it, and now many people are recording 674 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:22,280 these invisible UFOs everywhere and it is just amazing. 675 00:38:25,330 --> 00:38:30,330 And we are proving now that what was said 15 years ago 676 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,380 with the military in Mexico, 677 00:38:33,380 --> 00:38:37,290 it's happening in many, many places right now. 678 00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:40,220 - [Dave] You've got it from a few different locations 679 00:38:40,220 --> 00:38:41,800 where they filmed this, is that right, Darcy, 680 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,793 that's in the documentary itself? 681 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:48,470 - [Darcy] Yeah, actually the two videos that were used 682 00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:50,810 in the documentary that were pretty popular 683 00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:55,810 on TV network circulation back in the '90s 684 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,390 when this first happened were from the vantage point 685 00:39:00,390 --> 00:39:04,420 of Puebla, which is just north of Mexico City, 686 00:39:04,420 --> 00:39:07,550 it's another little city, and Mexico City. 687 00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:12,180 So another famous UFO sighting 688 00:39:12,180 --> 00:39:16,460 was the Jerusalem Temple Rock, 689 00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:21,460 a UFO that kind of hovered around the dome there. 690 00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:24,590 And that was recorded by, I think, 691 00:39:24,590 --> 00:39:27,780 five different individuals walking around the city. 692 00:39:27,780 --> 00:39:30,830 - [Dave] Are there specific hotspots where 693 00:39:30,830 --> 00:39:34,362 these craft are being seen continually? 694 00:39:34,362 --> 00:39:36,040 - [Maussan] It comes from time to time. 695 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,710 Right now, for example, from the last few years, 696 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:44,340 couple three or four years, we've been receiving many videos 697 00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:49,340 from the northwest of Mexico around Rosarito, Tijuana, 698 00:39:50,152 --> 00:39:55,152 San Diego in California, even around Los Angeles. 699 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,230 Around five, 10 years ago, there were hundreds of videos 700 00:40:00,190 --> 00:40:02,430 that were coming from Russia. 701 00:40:02,430 --> 00:40:04,660 Probably Russia is because of the development 702 00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:08,736 of new nuclear weapons because they happen mostly 703 00:40:08,736 --> 00:40:13,736 around St. Petersburg in the Crimean Peninsula. 704 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,995 They all just are mostly in places 705 00:40:17,995 --> 00:40:20,800 where they have some interest. 706 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,633 - [Dave] Now you said that there's 707 00:40:21,633 --> 00:40:23,350 another really massive siting something- 708 00:40:23,350 --> 00:40:24,629 - [Maussan] Oh yeah, yeah, let me tell you about it. 709 00:40:24,629 --> 00:40:26,970 - [Dave] The people might not be aware of. 710 00:40:26,970 --> 00:40:29,800 - The second interview and I'm waiting to do 711 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,680 that third interview. 712 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,300 On the morning, four o'clock in the morning 713 00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:38,530 of December 19th, there was a huge, 714 00:40:38,530 --> 00:40:43,483 and I mean a huge UFO pyramid above the Pentagon? 715 00:40:44,949 --> 00:40:47,530 Some people say, "Oh, it's animation." 716 00:40:47,530 --> 00:40:48,620 No. 717 00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:51,510 I was able to find, I think I am the only one 718 00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:53,183 who has investigated this case, 719 00:40:54,350 --> 00:40:59,230 the pyramids was just 300 feet from the ground 720 00:40:59,230 --> 00:41:03,640 and in the middle of the Pentagon, above the Pentagon. 721 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,987 The images are incredible. 722 00:41:05,987 --> 00:41:07,913 Three different people, 723 00:41:08,860 --> 00:41:11,885 one of them that was walking with his dog. 724 00:41:11,885 --> 00:41:16,803 Another two people who were in a taxi, in a cab. 725 00:41:16,803 --> 00:41:19,430 And the third one was taking photographs 726 00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:22,320 inside the cemetery in Arlington. 727 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,740 The three of them with cameras in their hands, 728 00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:28,240 because they couldn't do it with a cell phone, 729 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,980 were able to get incredible images 730 00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:36,980 of these pyramid moving and rotating above the Pentagon. 731 00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:42,680 What is amazing is that normally in the US, 732 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,080 not a single media, not The Washington Post, 733 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,277 The New York Times, CBS, NBC, et cetera, et cetera. 734 00:41:56,551 --> 00:41:58,218 - [Man] What's that? 735 00:41:59,788 --> 00:42:02,038 This is aliens, I tell you. 736 00:42:10,191 --> 00:42:13,941 Yes, yes, I'm really sorry but I was talking. 737 00:42:16,355 --> 00:42:18,772 - [Man] Oh man, what is this? 738 00:42:25,553 --> 00:42:27,633 - [Man] This is a fucking alien invasion. 739 00:42:29,896 --> 00:42:31,713 - [Man] Do you see it? 740 00:42:31,713 --> 00:42:33,219 Where is it? 741 00:42:33,219 --> 00:42:34,802 Give me the camera. 742 00:42:39,433 --> 00:42:40,480 What is this? 743 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,303 I mean, what the fuck is that? 744 00:42:54,473 --> 00:42:57,263 - [Man] Turn left, left! 745 00:42:57,263 --> 00:42:58,483 Have we lost it? 746 00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:11,030 - [Man] Look back, look back! 747 00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:13,847 - [Man] I got you, baby. 748 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,273 I see it. 749 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:20,980 - [Man] Turn right, turn right, turn right! 750 00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:22,110 Do you see it? 751 00:43:28,747 --> 00:43:30,733 - [Man] Can it be like a ancient God? 752 00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:33,493 - [Man] You're stupid. 753 00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:41,333 - [Man] Slow down, man, slow down. 754 00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:45,413 What? 755 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,720 It's gone. 756 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,203 I don't, I don't see it. 757 00:43:51,130 --> 00:43:52,713 Man, do you see it? 758 00:43:57,830 --> 00:43:59,180 - [Man] I've heard something on the news. 759 00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:01,660 Something about Russian military. 760 00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:04,400 - [Man] No, it's not Russia. 761 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,020 - [Man] It's Pentagon. 762 00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:07,430 - [Man] I seen it already, man. 763 00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:10,790 - [Man] It's a bomber, it was announced the news. 764 00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:12,380 You know. 765 00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:13,213 - [Man] No, man. 766 00:44:25,347 --> 00:44:28,540 - [Man] Turn on the radio, it should tell us something. 767 00:44:28,540 --> 00:44:29,543 Turn on the radio. 768 00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:35,260 - [Jaime] Has done anything around this incredible case. 769 00:44:35,260 --> 00:44:38,950 We found something very similar that happened 770 00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:43,553 on December the ninth, 2010 above the Kremlin. 771 00:44:59,198 --> 00:45:04,198 In the Red Square in Moscow, exactly the same object. 772 00:45:04,457 --> 00:45:07,532 This was recorded and presented by RT. 773 00:45:07,532 --> 00:45:10,740 - The Kremlin has been circled by a UFO. 774 00:45:10,740 --> 00:45:13,270 Well, that's if you believe a video which has soared 775 00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:16,470 to the top of YouTube's Russian website. 776 00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:18,870 The pictures apparently shot from a passing 777 00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:21,550 car have become an online sensation. 778 00:45:21,550 --> 00:45:23,590 Another YouTube clip filmed during 779 00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:26,010 daylight shows a fuzzy gray object 780 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:28,230 on the skyline near Red Square. 781 00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:31,010 Skeptics, however, say that if the images were real 782 00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:33,530 the public would have reported sightings to police 783 00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:35,720 who are currently making no comment. 784 00:45:37,163 --> 00:45:42,100 - [Jaime] And in different media newscasts in Russia, 785 00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:44,843 it was never presented in the US. 786 00:45:44,843 --> 00:45:47,290 And it's exactly the same thing. 787 00:45:47,290 --> 00:45:51,758 And I believe that sighting has a lot of meaning. 788 00:45:51,758 --> 00:45:55,700 I now know why it was there that day. 789 00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:59,660 That day Donald Trump signed the memorandum 790 00:45:59,660 --> 00:46:03,780 creating the space combat command, 791 00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:07,283 the US Space Combat Command that very same day. 792 00:46:08,705 --> 00:46:11,059 Amicizia - friendship was an experiment carried out 793 00:46:11,083 --> 00:46:14,390 by beings from another world to try to establish 794 00:46:14,514 --> 00:46:19,722 communication with humans to help our development 795 00:46:20,992 --> 00:46:23,605 - [Interviewer] This is very difficult to understand this. 796 00:46:23,605 --> 00:46:24,523 - Not really so. 797 00:46:24,523 --> 00:46:29,523 I believe it is in the moment you accept the idea 798 00:46:29,610 --> 00:46:34,423 that the people for other stars may live here. 799 00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:40,186 Then all comes immediately, it's quite easy to accept it. 800 00:46:40,186 --> 00:46:42,203 According to Stefano Breccia 801 00:46:42,227 --> 00:46:44,627 Not only was a group established on Earth 802 00:46:44,651 --> 00:46:47,651 a group that they called w56 803 00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:50,675 but there were others who were given the name 804 00:46:50,699 --> 00:46:56,699 of opposites or the CTR who had other interests and values 805 00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,400 this situation generated a conflict between both groups 806 00:47:00,424 --> 00:47:03,624 that even caused the death of some involved 807 00:47:04,525 --> 00:47:08,525 they explained to Bruno Samacicia and Giancarlo De Carlo 808 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,000 that this group of aliens are on our planet because 809 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:21,000 they are very concerned about the destructive attitude 810 00:47:21,024 --> 00:47:24,024 that man on Earth has toward nature 811 00:47:24,048 --> 00:47:28,048 These beings explain that they are very concerned 812 00:47:28,072 --> 00:47:31,072 about the atomic bomb 813 00:47:31,096 --> 00:47:35,096 that a nuclear weapon, in the event of a war 814 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,120 could destroy all of humanity in a few minutes 815 00:47:38,144 --> 00:47:42,144 Then they explained that they are here to take care of our planet 816 00:47:42,168 --> 00:47:44,168 and possibly humanity 817 00:47:44,338 --> 00:47:47,338 According to the witnesses and the account of Stefano Breccia 818 00:47:47,362 --> 00:47:50,562 in his book mass contact, all those beings 819 00:47:50,586 --> 00:47:56,086 who participated in amicicia were moved by the deep morality 820 00:47:56,110 --> 00:47:59,210 and sincere humanism of these beings 821 00:47:59,234 --> 00:48:04,034 unable to imagin even doing harm to any person or animal 822 00:48:04,058 --> 00:48:08,858 however they liked to eat well, drink and even smoke sometimes 823 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,000 They liked to play tennis and play musical instruments such as the violin 824 00:48:14,024 --> 00:48:18,024 it was their decision to keep this story a secret 825 00:48:18,048 --> 00:48:22,048 even though on some occasions news about their activity came out 826 00:48:22,072 --> 00:48:25,072 the news was vague and uncertain 827 00:48:25,096 --> 00:48:29,096 According to Stefano Breccia there were many who suspected 828 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,120 that something was happening but 829 00:48:31,144 --> 00:48:35,144 no one outside the group could imagine how great and deep 830 00:48:35,168 --> 00:48:38,168 the contact with extraterrestrial beings was 831 00:48:38,192 --> 00:48:42,192 One of the participants who prefers to remain anonymous 832 00:48:42,216 --> 00:48:45,216 confessed to the researcher Nicola Duper 833 00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:50,740 that in 2008 there were 200 beings from the group that was called w56 834 00:48:51,064 --> 00:48:56,564 The w because it meant life and the 56 for the year 835 00:48:56,588 --> 00:48:58,588 in which the contact was made 836 00:48:58,612 --> 00:49:03,612 a disk is not generally used for travel but as a mobile laboratory 837 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,400 it is also important to know that a ship is built and 838 00:49:08,424 --> 00:49:13,424 disassembled at the end of the task which it was made for 839 00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:19,100 a ship is not a single block but rather more parts held together 840 00:49:19,124 --> 00:49:23,124 by a force that can be defined as gravitational 841 00:49:23,148 --> 00:49:27,348 for the humans sometimes it is not easy to define the type 842 00:49:27,372 --> 00:49:30,372 of technology used by these beings 843 00:49:30,396 --> 00:49:34,396 The technology and every part of it is so advanced 844 00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:37,420 this it is not conceivable for the poor 845 00:49:37,444 --> 00:49:41,444 Earthlings who struggle to understand the simplest of things 846 00:49:41,468 --> 00:49:46,968 without complete success in most cases, another but 847 00:49:46,992 --> 00:49:50,992 very important curiosity, is that a spacecraft of this type 848 00:49:51,016 --> 00:49:56,816 But also all the others, even large ones, are built with iron 849 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,840 what we ofter call synthesized 850 00:49:59,864 --> 00:50:03,864 in fact, a small ship like the one in the photo above 851 00:50:03,888 --> 00:50:07,888 weighs around 15 to 20 tons of iron 852 00:50:08,712 --> 00:50:13,212 The iron that w56 uses is no different from what we use 853 00:50:13,236 --> 00:50:17,736 except in a quality inaccessible to us for now 854 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,560 This iron is of the polarized type, therefore it is capable of 855 00:50:22,584 --> 00:50:27,584 of offering qualities that no amorphous iron can possess 856 00:50:27,608 --> 00:50:31,608 amorphous, is an electric abnormality on the atomic level 857 00:50:31,632 --> 00:50:36,132 the amorphous solid, is a solid that has no form 858 00:50:36,156 --> 00:50:40,156 of its own and lacks crystaline lattice structure 859 00:50:40,180 --> 00:50:43,180 with a long-range order of positioned atoms 860 00:50:43,204 --> 00:50:48,304 solids in which there is a long-range atomic order called crystalline solids 861 00:50:48,328 --> 00:50:56,128 crystalline material metals are difficult to prepare in an amorphous condition 862 00:50:56,152 --> 00:51:01,552 the solidification process generally has to be done very quickly 863 00:51:01,576 --> 00:51:06,376 unless the material has a high melting temperature like ceramic 864 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,400 or a low level of crystallization 865 00:51:10,424 --> 00:51:14,924 what usually happens with polymers, in the iron from w56 866 00:51:14,948 --> 00:51:18,748 it has crystaline lattice structure 867 00:51:18,772 --> 00:51:22,772 this type of iron is not a thermal conductor, nor an electric conductor 868 00:51:22,796 --> 00:51:24,796 it is non-magnetic and radiation resistant 869 00:51:24,820 --> 00:51:29,320 But it can be made transparent by applying an 870 00:51:29,344 --> 00:51:33,344 electromagnetic field at a certain power level 871 00:51:33,568 --> 00:51:38,568 this peculiarity in fact explains why flying saucers 872 00:51:38,592 --> 00:51:42,592 are sometimes invisible during sightings 873 00:51:42,616 --> 00:51:46,616 There is more, the transparent surface can be unilateral 874 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,640 that is only from the inside out or bilateral 875 00:51:50,664 --> 00:51:54,664 that is from the outside in and vice versa and in that case 876 00:51:54,688 --> 00:51:58,688 you can see a disk like this 877 00:51:58,712 --> 00:52:02,712 Regarding the bases of these beings, according to Stefano Breccia 878 00:52:02,736 --> 00:52:07,236 it was widely said that the aliens of w56 879 00:52:07,260 --> 00:52:12,060 had built a huge, very deep and practical underground base 880 00:52:12,084 --> 00:52:14,584 located at the bottom of the continental mass 881 00:52:14,608 --> 00:52:18,908 and many more typically small ones at shallow depths 882 00:52:18,932 --> 00:52:23,932 the large base was a point of reference for all their European activities 883 00:52:23,956 --> 00:52:27,706 and normally it was housing machinery 884 00:52:27,730 --> 00:52:31,330 the smaller bases were used as places for living 885 00:52:31,354 --> 00:52:34,754 they said that they had other bases withing our solar system 886 00:52:34,778 --> 00:52:37,478 but they were not stable structures 887 00:52:37,502 --> 00:52:42,352 Actually generating or destroying a base was a very simple process for them 888 00:52:42,376 --> 00:52:47,876 let's think of two linear magnets initially parallel to eachother 889 00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:52,550 rotating one of them around its center of gravity the lines of force 890 00:52:52,574 --> 00:52:56,574 will become more and more intertwined as the angle 891 00:52:56,598 --> 00:53:00,598 between the magnets increases after a critical attraction 892 00:53:00,622 --> 00:53:05,222 the lines of force of the magnetic field will change abruptly, arranging themselves 893 00:53:05,246 --> 00:53:09,246 in a new arrangement that prevents them from twisting too much 894 00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:14,370 Our friends, on the other hand, were able to generate what they called a magnetic rope 895 00:53:14,394 --> 00:53:18,394 that is, a structure where the lines of force were 896 00:53:18,418 --> 00:53:22,418 stricly twisted around each other 897 00:53:22,442 --> 00:53:26,442 Such effect had the ability of opening the matter, 898 00:53:26,466 --> 00:53:30,466 compressing it sideways, crushing it on itself 899 00:53:30,490 --> 00:53:34,490 translucent walls were almost crystalline with an astronomical density 900 00:53:34,514 --> 00:53:39,514 an equally high modulus of longitudinal elasticity and an incredible force 901 00:53:39,538 --> 00:53:45,038 were thus able to open the cavities that would become their bases 902 00:53:45,062 --> 00:53:49,462 obviously without damaging in any way the tectonic 903 00:53:49,486 --> 00:53:52,186 structures that surrounded it, on the contrary 904 00:53:53,010 --> 00:53:57,010 probably by strengthening them, said structure remained stable as long 905 00:53:57,034 --> 00:53:59,834 as the fields that generated it were active 906 00:53:59,858 --> 00:54:03,858 it was enough to turn off these fields with click of a button 907 00:54:03,882 --> 00:54:07,682 to immediately return the matter back to it's original form 908 00:54:07,706 --> 00:54:11,706 similarly they were opening passages to access their bases when they needed them 909 00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:20,730 closing them immediately when they were no longer in use, rarely with very small bases 910 00:54:20,754 --> 00:54:24,754 Just below the ground stable corridors were used in the large bases where also large 911 00:54:24,978 --> 00:54:33,178 ships generally in orbit around our sun aligned with respect to the ecliptic 912 00:54:33,702 --> 00:54:37,702 at first it seems that there were three different races 913 00:54:37,726 --> 00:54:42,926 the redheads, the copper-haired people, the black-haired people 914 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:49,950 more similar to our indians today, the third race had greenish-white hair 915 00:54:49,974 --> 00:54:53,974 by the way their skin was colored similar to their hair 916 00:54:53,998 --> 00:54:57,998 these three races have evolved together with the passage of time they began 917 00:54:58,122 --> 00:55:06,122 to reproduce between eachother so that a new race was born 918 00:55:06,346 --> 00:55:12,046 before dying Bruno Sammaciccia told us some of the most important messages 919 00:55:12,070 --> 00:55:17,070 he had received from the beings called w56 920 00:55:17,094 --> 00:55:19,794 the first words they said were 921 00:55:19,818 --> 00:55:24,318 "this land was made for good but the men who inhabit it" 922 00:55:24,342 --> 00:55:27,342 "are transforming everything into evil" 923 00:55:27,366 --> 00:55:30,366 "we are not here to conquer, we have nothing to overcome" 924 00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:34,390 "our interests arise from the fact that" 925 00:55:34,414 --> 00:55:37,414 "your land is within our stars" 926 00:55:37,438 --> 00:55:41,438 Gaspare De Lama participated in the amicizia project 927 00:55:41,462 --> 00:55:45,462 between 1960 and 1965, I kept secret some of the evidence 928 00:55:45,486 --> 00:55:49,486 that proves that the case really happened 929 00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:53,510 as the witnesses have assured 930 00:55:53,534 --> 00:55:57,834 Gaspare, because of his closeness to Bruno Samaciccia, the leader of the 931 00:55:57,858 --> 00:56:01,858 group of humans in Italy, received photographs and 932 00:56:01,882 --> 00:56:04,882 made some of the films that still exist 933 00:56:04,915 --> 00:56:08,915 Here I am as a young man, 41 years of age, here is Bruno 934 00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,639 Sammaciccia? Sammaciccia 935 00:56:15,063 --> 00:56:21,563 in the little green garden of the village Montesilvano 936 00:56:21,587 --> 00:56:27,587 he always told me, "Don't betray your memories" It is written in the photo 937 00:56:27,611 --> 00:56:31,620 Gaspare agreed to show some of the 8mm photographs 938 00:56:31,644 --> 00:56:35,644 and films that he still has in his possession 939 00:56:35,668 --> 00:56:40,668 do you see this black part here? we called this "Penachito" this is a small model 940 00:56:40,692 --> 00:56:45,692 of about 4 meters this is model 941 00:56:45,716 --> 00:56:50,716 it was remotely controlled 942 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:55,440 it does not require a crew member 943 00:57:00,064 --> 00:57:04,064 It had a small detector that we called "the little mouse" 944 00:57:04,488 --> 00:57:12,488 in additon to the video, we also took pictures of this craft, it was a kind of... 945 00:57:12,812 --> 00:57:17,812 now I speak in an incorrect non-scientific way, it was a kind of energy that condenses 946 00:57:17,836 --> 00:57:22,836 I saw that it was on the surface, I don't know what kind of energy it was 947 00:57:22,860 --> 00:57:27,860 It is in an irregular way, here you see it and here it does not come off 948 00:57:27,884 --> 00:57:32,884 in these photos the energy appears and dissappears, in the same disk 949 00:57:32,908 --> 00:57:38,008 this disk followed us until we got close to Milan in these photos 950 00:57:38,032 --> 00:57:43,032 we are taking this photo from an open field 951 00:57:43,056 --> 00:57:51,056 we had an appointment with this disk 952 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:59,080 by the w56 to record it with photos and film 953 00:57:59,104 --> 00:58:06,104 This disk here, it was a gift from them to me, they said 954 00:58:06,128 --> 00:58:14,128 "you will see the technology we have" 955 00:58:14,752 --> 00:58:19,752 They lived most of their time in their huge underground bases but 956 00:58:19,776 --> 00:58:24,776 some of them lived among us within our society playing 957 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,800 all kinds of roles in the world 958 00:58:27,824 --> 00:58:33,824 One was a university researcher, another the managing director of a fairly 959 00:58:33,848 --> 00:58:36,648 important textile company in the center of Italy 960 00:58:36,872 --> 00:58:41,872 a third was a senior manager at one of the largest German telecommunications 961 00:58:41,896 --> 00:58:46,896 companies names T.L.C 962 00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:52,920 But the most important difference between all the contact stories that can be read 963 00:58:52,944 --> 00:58:56,944 is the role that we Earthlings play in the eyes of our counterparts from off world 964 00:58:56,968 --> 00:59:01,968 this was expressed many times that we inhabitants of this distressed planet 965 00:59:01,992 --> 00:59:08,992 enjoy unique psychic abilities while we are unaware of it 966 00:59:09,416 --> 00:59:15,416 the w56 said this ability was one of the main reasons they came here 967 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,440 "often it was even fun for us to watch these people with such" 968 00:59:19,464 --> 00:59:23,464 "fantastic technology by their side" 969 00:59:23,688 --> 00:59:28,688 "begging our help in particular operations against their enemies" 970 00:59:28,712 --> 00:59:32,712 and when the story came to an abrupt end 971 00:59:32,736 --> 00:59:34,736 it was because of a failure on our part 972 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,760 when most of the earthlings got scared or simply fooled by the enemy 973 00:59:38,784 --> 00:59:44,784 then we stopped supporting the w56 friends, this development was enough 974 00:59:44,808 --> 00:59:48,808 to endanger them by reducing their superiority against their enemies 975 00:59:48,832 --> 00:59:52,832 they had to stop their operations here and retreat to their origins 976 00:59:52,856 --> 00:59:57,856 however they promised to return in the future 977 00:59:59,380 --> 01:00:03,380 in a surprising way, Emelio appeared at an event where 978 01:00:03,404 --> 01:00:07,404 Piere Giorgio Caria and Jaime Maussan would present 979 01:00:07,428 --> 01:00:08,928 evidence of their research 980 01:00:09,152 --> 01:00:14,652 and agreed after having repeatedly refused to discuss the amicizia case 981 01:00:14,676 --> 01:00:19,676 Piere: the amicizia case is true, there are people who have 982 01:00:19,700 --> 01:00:23,700 traveled from another world 983 01:00:23,724 --> 01:00:27,724 it is not true that they left in 1978 984 01:00:27,748 --> 01:00:31,748 because a small group is still here 985 01:00:31,772 --> 01:00:36,772 the basis of this story is true but not very pleasant things 986 01:00:36,796 --> 01:00:41,796 have happened in the sense of human relationships 987 01:00:41,820 --> 01:00:49,820 humans know themselves, it is not defined by materialism and spirituality 988 01:00:49,844 --> 01:00:54,844 Gaspare was the only one left in the group 989 01:00:54,868 --> 01:01:00,868 I decided to stay, because I felt this way 990 01:01:00,892 --> 01:01:05,892 the amicizia case, it is truely extraordinary 991 01:01:05,916 --> 01:01:09,916 things have happened and they are true. 992 01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:13,940 have you learned the way of my friend's teachings? 993 01:01:13,964 --> 01:01:17,964 there are three types of writings, one of the blue people 994 01:01:17,988 --> 01:01:21,988 another of the giants 995 01:01:22,012 --> 01:01:24,012 and another of the dwarfs 996 01:01:24,036 --> 01:01:28,036 it is something similar to an alphabet 997 01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:32,060 which I have been able to learn 998 01:01:32,084 --> 01:01:38,084 because I have an unusual sensitivity 999 01:01:41,308 --> 01:01:44,308 this is how I was able to read their writings 1000 01:01:44,308 --> 01:01:48,308 do you understand them completely or is this how you interpret them? 1001 01:01:48,332 --> 01:01:54,332 that's right, Bruno replied to me a lot because he has seen 1002 01:01:54,456 --> 01:02:00,456 me speak to them in their own language 1003 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,480 they haven't spoken to many others 1004 01:02:05,573 --> 01:02:11,573 Bruno told me one thing within the framework of laws 1005 01:02:12,997 --> 01:02:18,997 of his federation, what we could call cosmic laws, something that they lived by 1006 01:02:19,021 --> 01:02:25,021 otherwise we would be worse off, but we agreed that they would not 1007 01:02:25,045 --> 01:02:28,045 intervene with our history 1008 01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:34,069 There are laws where if you want something sooner or later, this is achieved 1009 01:02:34,093 --> 01:02:38,993 without intervention 1010 01:02:39,017 --> 01:02:47,017 but I think, and I feel that they can intervene, I don't know in what way though 1011 01:02:47,041 --> 01:02:52,041 very light intervention and 1012 01:02:52,065 --> 01:02:58,065 within the limits in which they can be accepted 1013 01:02:58,065 --> 01:03:04,065 they need the presence of a 1014 01:03:04,089 --> 01:03:09,089 significant number of the population 1015 01:03:09,113 --> 01:03:14,113 like when a teacher arrives who was summoned 1016 01:03:14,137 --> 01:03:20,137 and a god or supreme being 1017 01:03:20,161 --> 01:03:24,161 gives the people what they need 1018 01:03:24,185 --> 01:03:29,185 I think a significant mass is required 1019 01:03:29,209 --> 01:03:34,209 they will then act at the limit of their intervention 1020 01:03:34,233 --> 01:03:38,233 without intervening with our freedom 1021 01:03:38,257 --> 01:03:43,257 as when you are a child and they tell you 1022 01:03:43,281 --> 01:03:48,281 that you should not touch that electrical outlet 1023 01:03:48,305 --> 01:03:52,305 but the second time, the child know that he 1024 01:03:52,329 --> 01:03:56,329 should not touch it for his own good 1025 01:03:58,140 --> 01:04:02,140 I remember that on the day that I was with Jaime Maussan 1026 01:04:02,164 --> 01:04:07,164 and Joseph Garofalo, they were very important collaborators of mine 1027 01:04:07,188 --> 01:04:11,188 Garofalo was a very capable computer analyst 1028 01:04:11,212 --> 01:04:16,212 with which we analyzed the photographs and videos of amicizia 1029 01:04:16,236 --> 01:04:23,236 and we were going with Jaime and Garofalo to the city 1030 01:04:23,260 --> 01:04:26,260 where the house of the Virgin Mary is located 1031 01:04:26,284 --> 01:04:31,284 the city of Loretto that was transpired there 1032 01:04:31,308 --> 01:04:36,308 tells the story by the angels and while we were on the road 1033 01:04:36,332 --> 01:04:40,232 on the highway Garofalo watched 1034 01:04:40,256 --> 01:04:46,256 he saw that we were followed by a saucer and unfortunately 1035 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,280 he was able to record video at the moment when the saucer was already very 1036 01:04:51,304 --> 01:04:55,304 far away, but by analyzing this video 1037 01:04:55,328 --> 01:05:02,328 the object is very similar to the amicizia objects 1038 01:05:02,352 --> 01:05:08,352 greet us? we do not know but it is another interesting fact that we can add to this 1039 01:05:08,376 --> 01:05:11,576 incredible story, maybe another will come out 1040 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,600 but not until today 1041 01:05:13,624 --> 01:05:17,624 at least as I already said about another protagonist 1042 01:05:17,648 --> 01:05:22,648 who is Emilio, he did not accept to go out to 1043 01:05:22,672 --> 01:05:27,672 the public and gave us an interview, he is also very old but 1044 01:05:27,696 --> 01:05:30,696 perhaps in the future other material will come out 1045 01:05:30,742 --> 01:05:34,740 - They know, the security agencies know 1046 01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:39,740 that sooner or later one of these cases is gonna go out. 1047 01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:44,060 It's gonna be on YouTube and it's gonna be recorded 1048 01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:47,170 by different people at the same time. 1049 01:05:47,170 --> 01:05:48,860 Just consider for one second. 1050 01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:53,040 if the Zimbabwe incident in September, 1994 1051 01:05:54,510 --> 01:05:57,530 if this happens now with all the kids 1052 01:05:57,530 --> 01:06:00,600 with a cell phone, with a camera. 1053 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,830 Can you imagine five, 10 kids recording the same 1054 01:06:03,830 --> 01:06:07,790 extraterrestrials presenting them the same day 1055 01:06:07,790 --> 01:06:12,010 in the afternoon on YouTube all around the world? 1056 01:06:12,010 --> 01:06:15,010 How could you describe this? 1057 01:06:15,010 --> 01:06:19,400 The agencies are ready to give up. 1058 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:22,170 You have to remember John Podesta talking 1059 01:06:23,810 --> 01:06:26,840 where he said he wrote in a tweet, 1060 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,950 the only thing that I regret working 1061 01:06:29,950 --> 01:06:34,950 for Obama is that I could not open the ET phenomenon. 1062 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:41,020 And he became the manager, the chief 1063 01:06:41,020 --> 01:06:44,223 of the campaign of Hillary Clinton. 1064 01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:50,030 And she said, "I'm going to open this." 1065 01:06:50,030 --> 01:06:52,410 And I was rooting for her 1066 01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:56,020 because I knew she was gonna do it. 1067 01:06:56,020 --> 01:07:00,890 I know the Pentagon, I know the military were ready 1068 01:07:00,890 --> 01:07:04,690 because they cannot keep these secrets so much longer. 1069 01:07:04,690 --> 01:07:09,480 One of these days it's gonna come up, it's gonna blow. 1070 01:07:10,628 --> 01:07:15,628 The Chinese now have an incredible radio telescope 1071 01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:20,810 for one kilometer in diameter, something like that. 1072 01:07:20,810 --> 01:07:23,510 And they are looking for signals and they are looking 1073 01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:26,590 and everyone, everyone is looking for life there. 1074 01:07:26,590 --> 01:07:29,400 Europeans, the Indians, everyone. 1075 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,750 This is changing so fast. 1076 01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:35,286 You are gonna have the big telescopes 1077 01:07:35,286 --> 01:07:40,286 like ALMA in Chile or other telescopes are gonna look 1078 01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:47,220 to the infrastructure of different planets. 1079 01:07:47,220 --> 01:07:49,000 They're gonna look for cities. 1080 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,303 They're gonna look for satellites around the planets. 1081 01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:57,050 The James Webb telescope that is gonna be 1082 01:07:57,050 --> 01:08:02,050 on orbit on 2020 or '21 is gonna look for infrastructure. 1083 01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,000 There is not much time for the agencies. 1084 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,630 They have to open. 1085 01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:12,970 The first try was on December 16th, 2017 1086 01:08:14,470 --> 01:08:19,470 when The New York Times presented this information 1087 01:08:19,550 --> 01:08:24,282 and Luis Elizondo from the Pentagon came up and said, 1088 01:08:24,282 --> 01:08:27,860 "I'm resigning there because I want this to be open" 1089 01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:30,850 and they presented three incredible videos. 1090 01:08:30,850 --> 01:08:33,760 And nobody has been able to discredit that. 1091 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:34,930 Nobody. 1092 01:08:34,930 --> 01:08:36,160 Then what happens? 1093 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,930 We have the evidence right there. 1094 01:08:38,930 --> 01:08:41,980 It's the first time they tried something. 1095 01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:46,053 And we know there are people investigating materials. 1096 01:08:47,713 --> 01:08:52,713 And I think very soon we will have a big surprise coming 1097 01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:57,590 from the agencies. 1098 01:08:57,590 --> 01:09:00,750 They better do because one of these days 1099 01:09:00,750 --> 01:09:03,540 there is gonna be a case that they won't be able 1100 01:09:03,540 --> 01:09:06,353 to control as they did in the past. 1101 01:09:06,353 --> 01:09:12,853 other material, other people, I know they exist, that some of them 1102 01:09:12,877 --> 01:09:20,377 are alive but it is a hope more than a certainty 1103 01:09:21,432 --> 01:09:24,349 (mysterious music)