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[wind whistling]

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[John] Just put-- I mean, is--
If I fuck up,

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- I'll just keep going, right?
- [man] Yeah.

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And you can
always cut in and cut out.

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- [man] Yeah.
- We'll do it a couple of times

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and it should give you
a nervous breakdown

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in the editing room. Yeah?

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[producer] Let's take it
from the top and all the way

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and then we should do it.

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[John]
Cool. Hang on.

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- [man] And mark.
- [slate clacks]

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[clears throat]

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[hums]

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[crowd cheers]

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["Change" by John Waite]

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♪

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<i>♪ People talking ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And they're
saying that you're leaving ♪</i>

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<i>♪ So unhappy ♪</i>

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<i>♪ With the way
that you've been living ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Oh oh oh ♪</i>

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<i>♪ We always wish for money ♪</i>

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<i>♪ We always wish for fame ♪</i>

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<i>♪ We think we have the answers ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Some things ain't
ever gonna change [change] ♪</i>

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<i>♪ It doesn't
matter who you are ♪</i>

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<i>♪ It's all the same [change] ♪</i>

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<i>♪ What's in your heart
will never change ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Yeah ♪</i>

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[crowd cheering]

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<i>♪ Oh, whoa ♪</i>

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♪

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["Bluebird Cafe" by John Waite]

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<i>♪ Her ID says she's 21 ♪</i>

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<i>♪ But she's just 17 ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Her apron says Mary ♪</i>

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<i>♪ But her real name is Jean ♪</i>

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<i>♪ She's working
cleaning tables off ♪</i>

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<i>♪ At the local Dairy Queen ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And she's the real thing ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Yeah ♪</i>

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[John] Well, we canceled all
the work, uh, for this year.

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We were-- We got up
to a really flying start,

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you know,
and then it just stopped

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and everything
was moved to next year.

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But now, they're saying
next year isn't gonna really be

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a possibility either.

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So, uh, you know,
you roll with the punches.

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It's-- it's
a strain on-- on everybody.

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I don't know how
we're gonna come through it,

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but people always do.

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I'm very positive
about the future, you know.

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[producer]
What did you miss the most?

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Just being able to get out
and meet people and interact.

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I think that's
really what happens.

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You stop talking to people.
Difficult, you know.

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[Dick] Nice to see you again.
Was that--

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Wasn't it one of the first
Babys appearances here?

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Yeah, it was
the first in America.

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- Was it really?
- Yeah. That was it.

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Many moons ago. Next--
next and moving beyond that.

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Let me ask you why--
at this stage of your life,

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why don't you just
don't go in the studio

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and just record all the time
and never bother to go on tour?

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Why go through that agony?

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Well, it's always good
to perform live.

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I prefer that, actually.

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That's what I do best, really.

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Studio is great,

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but it's great
to go in front of the kids.

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[crowd cheering]

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[pensive music playing]

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Wanna thank you all for
coming out on a Tuesday night

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'cause I know
it's kind of a weird night

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and, um,
we expected about six people,

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- but, um...
- [crowd laughter]

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- You know.
- [man] [indistinct]

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Well, thank you. No, it's, uh,

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it's great to see you

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and I'm really grateful to
you. Thanks for...

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[Joni] He is very
outta sorts not touring.

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He doesn't have
that many close friends,

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like-- like girls do.

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You know, we like to
hang out together more.

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And so the band
for John is-- is his--

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It's his bromance time.

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["Missing You" by John Waite]

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<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

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[crowd cheers]

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<i>♪ I always catch my breath ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And I'm still standing here ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And you're miles away ♪</i>

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<i>♪ And I'm wondering
why you left ♪</i>

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[Diane]
What's difficult?

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Difficult just means,
you know what?

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You're-- you're passionate.

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You know who the fuck you are.

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You don't wanna deal
with stupid fucking idiots.

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So, I-- You know, I get it.

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But, you know, look, believe me,

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there's lots
of times I wanna just say

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how I really feel when
I'm dealing with certain people

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and I'm-- I just kinda go,
"Yeah, okay, I hear you."

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I don't know if
John was built that way.

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[laughs]
And you know what? Good for him.

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But in my life,

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I've always gotten
along with difficult people

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'cause I know they're
just passionate people.

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♪

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<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

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[song ends]

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[crowd cheers]

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[Neil]
He doesn't like to be pushed,

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but at the same time,

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he understands
the good of the project.

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So, he would disagree,
of course,

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we would agree,
we disagree.

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But that's all the process.
It's-- it's--

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You know,
you share, you share thoughts

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and you're--
you're in it together.

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[producer] You-- you're
one of the only producers

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he ever worked with that
he still talks to, I think.

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That-- that could be.
Listen, John, like I said,

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extraordinary talent
like no other.

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I-- I mean,
I've been very fortunate to work

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with great singers and I've
worked with a lot of 'em

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that are brilliant.

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John is-- is one of the greatest
singers in the world.

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[crowd cheers]

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[John] <i>♪ Hey! ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Down inside the bay ♪</i>

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[crowd cheers]

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<i>♪ Women, you need ♪</i>

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♪

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<i>♪ Love ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Hey ♪</i>

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<i>♪ Yeah ♪</i>

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[automated voice] <i>Wait.</i>

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[automated voice] <i>Wait.</i>

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<i>♪ Oh yeah! ♪</i>

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<i>♪ John Waite, twat ♪</i>

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["I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry"
by John Waite]

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♪

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<i>♪ Hear the lonesome
whippoorwill ♪</i>

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<i>♪ He sounds too blue to fly ♪</i>

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[Frank] <i>From The Babys to
Bad English to his solo work</i>

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<i>across multiple decades,
welcome John Waite.</i>

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[John] <i>Well, Frank, nice
talking to you. I'm in lockdown.</i>

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<i>So, I'm, uh, I'm doing laundry.</i>

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[Frank] <i>The glamorous
life of a rock star.</i>

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[John] <i>Pretty much.
Especially now.</i>

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I pride myself in
being pretty down-to-earth.

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You know, I'm working-class guy.
I come from great people.

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We're not like--
we're not affected by artifice.

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You know, I mean, I come
from a working-class background

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where people meant
what they say and they--

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they're kinda generous
in their own way.

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And there's a way of going
through life with dignity.

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And I think when you--
when you tap into show business,

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the very fact that
it is show business,

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it's-- you're-- you're--

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Being in a--
a room with a lot of people

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that believe in
something that doesn't exist.

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It's all an illusion.
You know, it's--

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I mean, the art is
the only thing that matters.

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♪

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And so I kinda
circle the wagons.

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You know, I-- I kinda like--

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I found out who
I wanted to be in that situation

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and I stuck to it.

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And I didn't embrace the, uh,

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the phoniness of it, you know.

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I knew people that
were really great artists

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and I wouldn't make a fool
of myself in front of them

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by going down this other path
of like, you know,

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"Look at me, I'm fabulous."
You know. So, it was--

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it wasn't like
a sacrifice or anything.

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It was just like I decided

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where I was gonna live in that
situation. And I pulled back.

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<i>♪ Could cry ♪</i>

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[crowd applauds]

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[Dinah] <i>I'd like
you all to meet a man</i>

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<i>who certainly
qualifies as an award winner.</i>

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<i>He's got numerous
billboard, cash box,</i>

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<i>and record World Awards,
including the Triple Crown.</i>

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<i>Here he is to sing one
of his really golden greats,</i>

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<i>"El Paso," Mr. Marty Robbins.</i>

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[crowd applauds]

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["El Paso" by Marty Robbins]

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<i>♪ Out in the West Texas</i>

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<i>♪ Town of El Paso ♪</i>

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<i>♪ I fell in love
with a Mexican girl ♪</i>

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[John] Even as a young kid,
when I was, like, five,

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I remember I used to bolt out
school at four o'clock,

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run down the hill
to catch the bus

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into the center
of town, you know.

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As I was passing
Kenneth Gardner's record store,

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there would be
this Marty Robbin's

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Gunfighter Ballads
and Trail Songs sound cover.

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And the guy going
for his gun was the loner.

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And as soon as he said,
"You can go now,"

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I would bolt over the hills

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so I could spend
another 30 seconds

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looking at this album cover,
'cause it was America, you know?

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[cinematic
western music playing]

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And my five-year-old
brain was like,

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"Look at me, Junior Cowboy."

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And I would be
riding off into the sunset,

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having saved somebody
from a fate worse than death.

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♪

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Me and my brother, Jo,

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we'd sit in front of the TV
in the afternoons, you know,

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our moms, dads were at work.

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We'd watch
the test card that, you know,

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technicians used
to tune in the picture,

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'cause about every 45 minutes,

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this piece of music came around.

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It was like
a cowboy progression.

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It was like, you know, <i>The
Magnificent Seven</i> or something.

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And we used to wait
through all this crap

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just waiting for this--
this chorus to come up.

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'Cause it was like the West.
There was something in there

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that we couldn't
understand that we heard.

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Something bigger
in those chord changes.

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[rousing music playing]

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♪

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[announcer] <i>One of our brightest
young entertainers in England</i>

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<i>proved that he can be
just as bright a star</i>

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<i>on Broadway in New York.</i>

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<i>That, of course, is
the very talented, Tommy Steele.</i>

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[John]
Well, Tommy Steele was like a--

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a song and dance film star,
pop star. He was very famous.

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<i>♪ Singin' Tom ♪</i>

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[John]
And in my brain, he was like,

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"That's Tommy Steel,
the Steelman, you know?"

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So, I remember seeing
this ukulele in this toy shop,

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a plastic Tommy Steele ukulele.

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00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:26,963
[ukulele stringing]

241
00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:28,791
It had a picture of Tommy on it.

242
00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:31,707
And I thought, you know,
next stop is rock and roll.

243
00:12:31,881 --> 00:12:34,710
I'm gonna be a rock and roll
cowboy in my head somewhere.

244
00:12:34,884 --> 00:12:37,365
And about two weeks
after playing it,

245
00:12:37,539 --> 00:12:41,282
the Tommy Steele's
sticker fell off it.

246
00:12:42,849 --> 00:12:44,764
And I-- I-- I-- I looked at it

247
00:12:44,938 --> 00:12:46,940
and I realized it was
shaped like Mickey Mouse.

248
00:12:47,114 --> 00:12:50,857
It was like two ears and it
was a Mickey Mouse ukulele

249
00:12:51,031 --> 00:12:53,163
and somebody had stuck
a Tommy Steele sticker on it.

250
00:12:53,337 --> 00:12:55,296
And that was my first experience

251
00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:57,777
of the music business, really,
you know.

252
00:12:57,951 --> 00:12:59,082
["A Hard Day's Night"
by The Beatles]

253
00:12:59,256 --> 00:13:00,867
<i>♪ It's been a hard day's night ♪</i>

254
00:13:01,041 --> 00:13:02,390
<i>♪ And I've been
workin' like a dog ♪</i>

255
00:13:02,564 --> 00:13:03,870
[John]
Somewhere around that period,

256
00:13:04,044 --> 00:13:06,307
I actually saw
The Beatles movie.

257
00:13:07,134 --> 00:13:08,831
They'd suddenly
become really big.

258
00:13:09,005 --> 00:13:13,357
They were unstoppable tsunami
of working-class pride.

259
00:13:13,531 --> 00:13:15,316
You know, it was like
they were from the Northwest,

260
00:13:15,490 --> 00:13:17,187
they're working class lads,

261
00:13:17,361 --> 00:13:19,537
but they were genius.
Kinda they were-- they were it.

262
00:13:20,582 --> 00:13:23,019
So, one minute, I'm looking
at this Marty Robbins album

263
00:13:23,715 --> 00:13:25,152
and I'm thinking
it's cowboys and Indians.

264
00:13:25,326 --> 00:13:26,370
And then, it's The Beatles.

265
00:13:26,544 --> 00:13:28,242
[crowd cheering]

266
00:13:28,416 --> 00:13:29,373
[host] <i>Ladies and gentlemen,
The Beatles.</i>

267
00:13:30,635 --> 00:13:33,595
[John] It was like suddenly, the
future was right in front of me.

268
00:13:34,726 --> 00:13:36,816
Girls became
really seriously important.

269
00:13:36,990 --> 00:13:39,906
♪

270
00:13:40,994 --> 00:13:43,300
Thank God there was
a couple of teachers at school

271
00:13:43,474 --> 00:13:45,781
that let me
take extra art classes

272
00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:49,611
so I could build up a portfolio
and get into art college.

273
00:13:50,568 --> 00:13:54,094
[soft music playing]

274
00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:58,011
A geography teacher of mine said

275
00:13:58,185 --> 00:14:00,100
that I would really
basically amount to nothing.

276
00:14:00,752 --> 00:14:02,798
They-- they were
wasting their time on me.

277
00:14:03,668 --> 00:14:05,845
Which makes me laugh when
I read my old school report.

278
00:14:06,019 --> 00:14:07,629
He said,
"Does not do well in groups."

279
00:14:08,195 --> 00:14:10,850
'Cause you know,
that's the story of my life.

280
00:14:11,024 --> 00:14:12,112
[laughs]

281
00:14:12,286 --> 00:14:14,984
[pensive music playing]

282
00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:19,380
But this woman, right,
this woman who said

283
00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:21,208
that I wouldn't
amount to anything,

284
00:14:21,382 --> 00:14:23,950
when The Babys were,
like-- first charted in America,

285
00:14:24,124 --> 00:14:27,431
I went back to Lancaster
with my girlfriend

286
00:14:27,605 --> 00:14:30,957
and we went in this shop
to get a pie

287
00:14:31,566 --> 00:14:33,873
and she was
working behind the counter.

288
00:14:35,135 --> 00:14:38,486
And I'm fresh back from America
with a top 20 smash, you know.

289
00:14:40,096 --> 00:14:42,229
And she looked at me
and I looked at her

290
00:14:42,403 --> 00:14:44,535
and it was like--
I didn't do anything.

291
00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:48,888
I couldn't go there.
But, fuck, man.

292
00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:53,196
Does that sum up,
you know, the school system?

293
00:14:54,241 --> 00:14:56,199
They didn't know
what to do with me at all.

294
00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:00,725
But that was cool. I didn't
know what to do with them.

295
00:15:04,468 --> 00:15:06,818
Can you imagine
being, like, a creative kid?

296
00:15:06,993 --> 00:15:09,256
And really,
I was alive, you know.

297
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:13,086
I'd go home and watch sort of,
like, really intense programs,

298
00:15:13,260 --> 00:15:14,304
just taking it all in.

299
00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:16,002
And I'd go back to school

300
00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:17,786
and there'd be
somebody looking at me like,

301
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,093
"What are you
looking at, Waite? Get out."

302
00:15:20,267 --> 00:15:22,312
And I would be just like, "What?
What the fuck is going on?"

303
00:15:22,486 --> 00:15:24,401
You know, I-- I'm interested,
What's happening?"

304
00:15:24,967 --> 00:15:26,447
And, um, they weren't having it

305
00:15:26,621 --> 00:15:30,755
'cause I wasn't, uh,
public servant material.

306
00:15:31,626 --> 00:15:34,846
I had long hair
and I was musical

307
00:15:35,891 --> 00:15:37,240
and I could draw and paint,

308
00:15:38,502 --> 00:15:41,288
but there was no window
for that kind of a kid.

309
00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:47,903
And I used to stand out,
but I wasn't backing down.

310
00:15:48,077 --> 00:15:50,384
It's a testament to being
a rebel, I guess, on some level

311
00:15:50,558 --> 00:15:52,299
'cause I wasn't a big kid.

312
00:15:52,864 --> 00:15:54,866
Towards the end
of my stay at school,

313
00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:57,217
I went up against
a couple of real bastards

314
00:15:57,391 --> 00:16:00,263
and they really beat the shit
out of me on a regular basis,

315
00:16:00,437 --> 00:16:02,570
but I didn't back down.

316
00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:05,007
And it was like, the story
in my life would be like that.

317
00:16:05,181 --> 00:16:08,184
I mean, what are you gonna do?
Disappear into yourself?

318
00:16:08,358 --> 00:16:10,143
Join the army?
What are you gonna do?

319
00:16:10,317 --> 00:16:13,973
So, I was quite happy
to be who I was. I was--

320
00:16:14,147 --> 00:16:16,453
I had a very
strong sense of self.

321
00:16:17,367 --> 00:16:20,718
[guitar strumming]

322
00:16:37,605 --> 00:16:40,042
[John] I really didn't
carry myself as a singer.

323
00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:43,524
I didn't. I mean, you have
to sort of walk the walk

324
00:16:43,698 --> 00:16:46,092
at some point and say,
"Yeah, that's what I do."

325
00:16:46,744 --> 00:16:50,879
I was extremely shy. I had
to overcome it to be a singer,

326
00:16:52,098 --> 00:16:54,535
which is probably why
I was saying,

327
00:16:54,709 --> 00:16:56,972
"I'm a songwriter
and I play bass."

328
00:16:57,146 --> 00:16:58,756
I was leaving
the singer part out.

329
00:16:58,930 --> 00:17:01,455
But being thrown in
the deep end with The Babys,

330
00:17:01,629 --> 00:17:02,804
like, we need a singer.

331
00:17:03,326 --> 00:17:05,850
That's really where
singing started for me.

332
00:17:07,983 --> 00:17:10,986
Adrian Millar was
trying to put together a band

333
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,857
that was gonna
take over the world.

334
00:17:13,815 --> 00:17:15,382
I like the way
he talked, but I--

335
00:17:15,556 --> 00:17:17,253
I couldn't see it
in a practical sense.

336
00:17:17,427 --> 00:17:19,777
It just seemed
impossible, you know?

337
00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:21,823
But I said
I had a couple of songs

338
00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:23,694
and this is
where he comes into it.

339
00:17:23,868 --> 00:17:24,869
I said I could sing.

340
00:17:26,654 --> 00:17:29,309
I mean, up against the wall
like, "What you got, son?"

341
00:17:29,483 --> 00:17:33,052
"Well, I write songs,
I play bass and yeah, I sing."

342
00:17:34,096 --> 00:17:37,012
And that's the first time
I said it without blinking.

343
00:17:37,186 --> 00:17:38,796
You know,
It just came outta nowhere.

344
00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:40,668
And we went in the studio--

345
00:17:40,842 --> 00:17:42,278
[man]
Are you rolling?

346
00:17:42,452 --> 00:17:43,497
- [John] And cut these two
- [man] Rolling.

347
00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:45,412
[John]-- demos of me singing.

348
00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:47,631
<i>♪ I can feel ♪</i>

349
00:17:47,805 --> 00:17:49,590
<i>♪ I can feel ♪</i>

350
00:17:49,764 --> 00:17:52,027
<i>♪ I can feel
the world spinning 'round ♪</i>

351
00:17:52,201 --> 00:17:56,379
On the mic,
in the studio, two-inch tape.

352
00:17:56,553 --> 00:17:58,207
You know, it was, like, serious.

353
00:17:58,773 --> 00:18:01,428
And, um,
he crystallized everything.

354
00:18:02,168 --> 00:18:04,126
I saw myself immediately. He--

355
00:18:04,822 --> 00:18:09,740
I remember I was in
the studio singing this song

356
00:18:09,914 --> 00:18:12,265
and I changed one
of the lyrics 'cause I do that.

357
00:18:12,439 --> 00:18:14,310
And when I'm in the moment,
I just go off.

358
00:18:14,963 --> 00:18:17,966
And the manager leaned forward
and hit the talkback, said,

359
00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:20,969
"We'll have
the real lyric, you know."

360
00:18:21,535 --> 00:18:23,667
And I said, "No, you're not.
I just changed it."

361
00:18:24,973 --> 00:18:27,497
I mean, I stepped right back in.

362
00:18:27,671 --> 00:18:30,979
Like, yes, I play bass.
Yes, I write songs.

363
00:18:31,153 --> 00:18:32,415
Yes, I'm the singer.

364
00:18:33,460 --> 00:18:36,376
When I was in that position
of being that person,

365
00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:38,552
I wasn't gonna
compromise with anybody.

366
00:18:38,726 --> 00:18:40,554
I understand what it is.

367
00:18:41,859 --> 00:18:43,296
It's all one thing now.

368
00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:44,688
[man]
Are you ready?

369
00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:46,342
[John]
Now, I'm gonna sing.

370
00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:48,344
[man] You rolling?
All right, get ready.

371
00:18:48,518 --> 00:18:51,608
[John] Adrian was actually going
'round the record companies

372
00:18:52,174 --> 00:18:54,481
playing these demos
and getting a lot of interest

373
00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:59,355
from Warner Brothers,
EMI, and Chrysalis.

374
00:19:00,487 --> 00:19:01,749
Just major companies, you know.

375
00:19:01,923 --> 00:19:03,664
He had these photographs

376
00:19:03,838 --> 00:19:05,666
of Wally, Tony,

377
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,624
Mike, and me.

378
00:19:08,669 --> 00:19:09,800
And he'd walk into

379
00:19:09,974 --> 00:19:11,454
every record
company and say,

380
00:19:11,628 --> 00:19:13,064
"This is gonna be big, man."

381
00:19:13,239 --> 00:19:14,718
You know, he had a big mouth.

382
00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:17,199
He-- he walked the walk,
you know. We loved it.

383
00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:20,071
And we weren't getting signed.

384
00:19:20,768 --> 00:19:24,075
People were interested,
but they weren't getting it.

385
00:19:24,250 --> 00:19:26,077
Uh, Adrian had decided

386
00:19:26,252 --> 00:19:27,905
that we were
gonna be called The Babys

387
00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:29,864
'cause we just acted
like a bunch of fucking babies

388
00:19:30,038 --> 00:19:31,822
as far as he was
concerned, you know.

389
00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:36,871
He actually came back a logo
and this sticker said Babys.

390
00:19:38,046 --> 00:19:41,005
And we sat in-- in Tully
Street one day saying like,

391
00:19:41,180 --> 00:19:43,094
"Why can't we get signed?"

392
00:19:44,357 --> 00:19:48,012
And I said, "Why don't
you film it on videotape?"

393
00:19:48,187 --> 00:19:51,059
Which was very hard to come by.
It was rare.

394
00:19:51,233 --> 00:19:53,017
It was just coming
into being, you know.

395
00:19:53,583 --> 00:19:54,976
We could just,
like, go and make a video

396
00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:56,369
and take it around the shop.

397
00:19:56,978 --> 00:19:59,415
"Somebody's gonna go for this. Absolutely.

398
00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:01,591
Come on,
let's film it." And he did.

399
00:20:02,462 --> 00:20:06,553
Adrian hired a studio
and we put our best clothes on.

400
00:20:07,162 --> 00:20:09,382
We took it around
the record companies

401
00:20:09,556 --> 00:20:12,602
and we had a deal
inside a month.

402
00:20:12,776 --> 00:20:14,604
<i>Judy's in tune with a group</i>

403
00:20:14,778 --> 00:20:17,303
<i>you have never heard or seen
before until right now.</i>

404
00:20:17,477 --> 00:20:18,739
["If You've Got
the Time" by The Babys]

405
00:20:18,913 --> 00:20:20,306
<i>♪ Oh, I got love that shows ♪</i>

406
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,264
[woman]
<i>This is a television first,</i>

407
00:20:22,438 --> 00:20:25,224
<i>Action News is breaking a record
before it's even been released.</i>

408
00:20:25,398 --> 00:20:29,271
The video is a brand new concept
in rock music circles.

409
00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:30,664
<i>No one has ever
done this before</i>

410
00:20:30,838 --> 00:20:32,666
<i>and I think it's an avenue that,</i>

411
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,277
<i>uh, is gonna be very,
very big in the business.</i>

412
00:20:35,451 --> 00:20:37,453
<i>♪ Oh, I got love that shows ♪</i>

413
00:20:37,627 --> 00:20:39,150
[John] Everybody was
on the verge of video,

414
00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:41,979
but The Babys
just got there first.

415
00:20:43,111 --> 00:20:46,462
It was gonna be the future,
as it turned out with MTV.

416
00:20:46,636 --> 00:20:49,596
<i>♪ Then I've got the time ♪</i>

417
00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:52,207
<i>♪ Yeah! ♪</i>

418
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:55,689
<i>♪ Do you say you love me ♪</i>

419
00:20:55,863 --> 00:20:56,864
[producer]
It was a famous signing.

420
00:20:57,038 --> 00:20:58,387
It was the first new band

421
00:20:58,561 --> 00:21:00,084
that signed
a million-dollar deal.

422
00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:01,999
A million dollars.
We didn't sing any of it.

423
00:21:02,173 --> 00:21:05,786
It was there to make the records
to a support, you know.

424
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,570
[producer] But what did you
see out of that million dollars?

425
00:21:07,744 --> 00:21:10,356
I saw, I think
about 500 pounds I think,

426
00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,272
which to me was
the most money I'd ever seen

427
00:21:13,446 --> 00:21:14,664
in one place at one time.

428
00:21:15,926 --> 00:21:18,451
That's how young
we were, you know.

429
00:21:18,625 --> 00:21:20,714
That was just
the most, you know,

430
00:21:20,888 --> 00:21:23,194
wonderful thing,
to have 500 quid, you know.

431
00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:24,805
['Read My Stars' by The Babys]

432
00:21:24,979 --> 00:21:26,241
<i>♪ Say you love me ♪</i>

433
00:21:26,415 --> 00:21:27,938
<i>♪ I know you do ♪</i>

434
00:21:28,112 --> 00:21:31,377
<i>♪ Go anywhere I want you to ♪</i>

435
00:21:31,551 --> 00:21:32,508
<i>♪ Yeah but ♪</i>

436
00:21:32,682 --> 00:21:33,901
[John] Record producer,

437
00:21:34,075 --> 00:21:35,816
Bob Ezrin, was in town,

438
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:38,471
and he was doing some
of the other bands at Chrysalis

439
00:21:38,645 --> 00:21:40,386
and we became part of the deal

440
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,040
'cause he'd had a lot
of success with Alice Cooper.

441
00:21:45,782 --> 00:21:49,656
Bob came up like
he understood and he--

442
00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:52,223
he swore to me, he got it.

443
00:21:52,398 --> 00:21:54,487
You know, it was gonna be
like, "Just come to Toronto,

444
00:21:54,661 --> 00:21:57,359
I got this studio, it's gonna
be just the best, man.

445
00:21:57,533 --> 00:21:59,883
I'm gonna--"
And you know, I was a kid,

446
00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:01,885
so I kinda believed the hype.

447
00:22:02,669 --> 00:22:06,281
And, um, we packed our bags
and went to Toronto

448
00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:08,283
to work at his studio.

449
00:22:09,328 --> 00:22:12,461
And it didn't work out
almost immediately.

450
00:22:13,462 --> 00:22:15,856
There was echo on everything,
which we hated.

451
00:22:16,030 --> 00:22:18,162
We didn't need to be
covered up with echo.

452
00:22:19,512 --> 00:22:21,383
And I actually stood
up at one point, said,

453
00:22:21,557 --> 00:22:23,994
"Listen, this isn't what we do.

454
00:22:24,168 --> 00:22:26,780
You know, this is not
what we came all the way

455
00:22:26,954 --> 00:22:29,130
from England to do.
What are you doing?

456
00:22:29,304 --> 00:22:32,568
Because this is our lives,
you know, we've paid for this."

457
00:22:33,177 --> 00:22:34,875
And he turned around and told me

458
00:22:35,049 --> 00:22:36,964
that I shouldn't be in a band
and I couldn't sing.

459
00:22:40,402 --> 00:22:43,840
You know. Thank you. Thank you.

460
00:22:44,406 --> 00:22:47,670
When we came back on the plane,
nobody spoke.

461
00:22:47,844 --> 00:22:51,848
We were destroyed.
And we got it back to London

462
00:22:52,022 --> 00:22:54,764
and the record company hated it.
The management hated it.

463
00:22:54,938 --> 00:22:57,506
Our wives
and girlfriends hated it.

464
00:22:58,289 --> 00:23:01,728
And we were just like,
"Fuck, after all this effort."

465
00:23:06,297 --> 00:23:08,169
He was really a cunt.

466
00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:11,738
[Dinah]
<i>1977 is definitely their year.</i>

467
00:23:11,912 --> 00:23:13,479
<i>Please welcome, The Babys.</i>

468
00:23:13,653 --> 00:23:17,787
[audience applauds]

469
00:23:17,961 --> 00:23:20,094
[John] And they went
ahead with the campaign

470
00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:22,226
and it was, like, insane.

471
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,751
There was posters in
the subways.

472
00:23:24,925 --> 00:23:28,189
In the subways,
you know, The Babys.

473
00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:30,278
"It's a good job, they're
just a rock and roll band."

474
00:23:30,452 --> 00:23:35,196
It was huge. And we were
doing TV, like <i>Super Sonic.</i>

475
00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:38,808
We did <i>Dinah Shore,
Mike Douglas,</i>

476
00:23:38,982 --> 00:23:40,941
and <i>Midnight Special.</i>

477
00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:45,119
It was, like, "Ready or not,
we're gonna go with this."

478
00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:46,599
The Babys.

479
00:23:46,773 --> 00:23:48,688
<i>♪ Oh, I got love that grows ♪</i>

480
00:23:48,862 --> 00:23:50,559
And here they're
for the first time.

481
00:23:50,733 --> 00:23:52,126
<i>- ♪ Oh I got love ♪</i>
- Here are The Babys.

482
00:23:53,562 --> 00:23:55,042
<i>♪ Oh, I got the love you need ♪</i>

483
00:23:55,216 --> 00:23:57,261
[John] But right there
was kinda the end

484
00:23:58,393 --> 00:24:02,353
because we never were
able to sort of pay back

485
00:24:02,528 --> 00:24:03,964
the price of that album.

486
00:24:05,139 --> 00:24:09,665
We had to make another
one to, uh, get out of the debt.

487
00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:11,058
["I'm Falling" by The Babys]

488
00:24:11,232 --> 00:24:13,234
<i>♪ Far away from you ♪</i>

489
00:24:13,408 --> 00:24:15,236
[radio host] <i>What advice do
you give to people</i>

490
00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:17,151
<i>who are coming up
in the business?</i>

491
00:24:17,325 --> 00:24:19,066
- [John] <i>Get a lawyer.</i>
- [radio host] Get a lawyer?

492
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,502
Yeah. And then get a lawyer
to watch the first lawyer.

493
00:24:20,676 --> 00:24:21,982
[radio host]
<i>That's right.</i>

494
00:24:22,156 --> 00:24:23,331
[John]
Then get a second accountant

495
00:24:23,505 --> 00:24:24,593
to watch the first accountant.

496
00:24:24,767 --> 00:24:27,857
<i>♪ Sometimes I love ya ♪</i>

497
00:24:28,031 --> 00:24:30,686
<i>♪ Ooh, I'm falling ♪</i>

498
00:24:31,513 --> 00:24:33,733
[John] Adrian had
got into some argument

499
00:24:33,907 --> 00:24:35,212
with the record company.

500
00:24:35,386 --> 00:24:37,998
He wanted more money
and he was like,

501
00:24:38,607 --> 00:24:41,697
"You are coming back right now.
Get on a plane. It's finished.

502
00:24:41,871 --> 00:24:44,047
I'm gonna get you off
the label."

503
00:24:44,526 --> 00:24:47,486
And I was like,
"Well, it's going so well.

504
00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:52,969
We're on the TV, can't you just,
like, negotiate something?"

505
00:24:53,143 --> 00:24:54,318
And he was adamant.

506
00:24:54,971 --> 00:24:58,018
We all looked at each other
and it was like,

507
00:24:58,192 --> 00:25:01,630
"Are we gonna go home to that?"

508
00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:05,460
We just said no.

509
00:25:09,203 --> 00:25:12,380
Without Adrian,
there would never been The Babys

510
00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:17,080
and I wouldn't be
sitting here, really.

511
00:25:17,254 --> 00:25:18,952
I might have done a lot of work

512
00:25:19,126 --> 00:25:20,997
and I might have done
a lot of things to make it work.

513
00:25:21,171 --> 00:25:23,522
Like, the sacrifice of, like,
doing without a lot of things

514
00:25:23,696 --> 00:25:24,871
to make it work.

515
00:25:25,045 --> 00:25:27,526
But Adrian, it was his baby.

516
00:25:28,309 --> 00:25:29,702
He put it all together.

517
00:25:30,311 --> 00:25:33,793
And it just allowed me to
write songs and be the singer.

518
00:25:33,967 --> 00:25:37,013
It was the only way I was
gonna get forward in my life

519
00:25:37,187 --> 00:25:40,103
and I'll be--
I'll be grateful to Adrian,

520
00:25:41,235 --> 00:25:43,237
um, 'til the day I die, really,

521
00:25:43,411 --> 00:25:47,154
'cause, I mean, that's-- It--
it gave me a life, you know.

522
00:25:47,328 --> 00:25:50,374
[somber music playing]

523
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:55,684
[Ron]
The Babys were on Chrysalis

524
00:25:57,991 --> 00:26:00,210
and they asked me
if I would get involved.

525
00:26:01,342 --> 00:26:04,824
And I explained to them
I would take them on tour

526
00:26:04,998 --> 00:26:07,783
and I would promote
in every single market

527
00:26:07,957 --> 00:26:11,961
a concert based on
the number on the radio dial.

528
00:26:12,135 --> 00:26:16,096
So, if it was
92.7, it was 92 cents.

529
00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:19,447
If it was 101,
it was a dollar one.

530
00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:22,015
<i>♪ Give it to me straight,
doctor, I can take it ♪</i>

531
00:26:22,189 --> 00:26:23,625
[Ron]
And we sold it out

532
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,062
because all
the Johnny Fever type DJs

533
00:26:26,236 --> 00:26:29,500
just played the shit out
of the record and off we went.

534
00:26:30,066 --> 00:26:33,809
The end of the tour, the head
of accounting pointed out

535
00:26:33,983 --> 00:26:37,030
to them that I had
spent $600,000 of their money.

536
00:26:37,204 --> 00:26:38,248
[chuckles]

537
00:26:39,075 --> 00:26:41,687
They were worthy
of the-- the whole scheme

538
00:26:41,861 --> 00:26:43,079
because that first record

539
00:26:43,253 --> 00:26:45,212
did a couple million copies.

540
00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:47,606
The second record did
a couple of million copies.

541
00:26:47,780 --> 00:26:49,695
And Chrysalis made
all their money back

542
00:26:49,869 --> 00:26:51,610
and it had a successful band.

543
00:26:51,784 --> 00:26:53,524
["She's My Girl" by The Babys]

544
00:26:53,699 --> 00:26:55,962
<i>♪ Me and my girl,
we don't like rules ♪</i>

545
00:26:56,136 --> 00:26:57,877
<i>♪ Living hard and fast ♪</i>

546
00:26:58,051 --> 00:27:00,444
[Ron] There's a punchline
to this that's very funny.

547
00:27:00,619 --> 00:27:03,970
The $600,000
that I spent, they--

548
00:27:04,144 --> 00:27:06,668
they charged back to the band.

549
00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:08,322
<i>♪ She's my ♪</i>

550
00:27:08,496 --> 00:27:10,280
<i>♪ She's my girl ♪</i>

551
00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,239
That's the nature of the beast.

552
00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:16,330
The mechanics of the music
business of that particular era

553
00:27:17,157 --> 00:27:19,725
was they would spend
a $100,000 on a video.

554
00:27:19,899 --> 00:27:22,336
They would spend
a $100,000 on a tour.

555
00:27:23,032 --> 00:27:24,686
Even if you sold a million,

556
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:28,385
you pretty much were in
the hole for half a million

557
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,040
and then you were
making another record.

558
00:27:31,824 --> 00:27:34,043
So, by the time you
got to the next record,

559
00:27:34,217 --> 00:27:36,350
even if you were successful
and sold a million,

560
00:27:36,524 --> 00:27:38,874
two million, three, you ended
up owing the record company

561
00:27:39,048 --> 00:27:40,920
three, four million dollars.

562
00:27:41,094 --> 00:27:44,314
And this was from
the late '70s to the '90s was,

563
00:27:44,488 --> 00:27:46,621
uh, was standard procedure.

564
00:27:46,795 --> 00:27:47,840
<i>♪ She's my ♪</i>

565
00:27:48,014 --> 00:27:49,885
<i>♪ She's my girl ♪</i>

566
00:27:51,234 --> 00:27:53,541
[John] Yeah, I think they
somehow did some fancy footwork

567
00:27:53,715 --> 00:27:55,021
with the accounting.

568
00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:56,762
If you're looking at
record companies

569
00:27:56,936 --> 00:27:58,372
and you're looking
at a really great example

570
00:27:58,546 --> 00:28:01,854
of ruthless: Chrysalis.

571
00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:04,465
[producer]
Were you making any money?

572
00:28:04,639 --> 00:28:05,727
No.

573
00:28:06,728 --> 00:28:08,077
[producer] What-- what kind
of money did you make?

574
00:28:08,251 --> 00:28:09,209
You were touring like crazy.

575
00:28:09,383 --> 00:28:10,645
200 bucks a week.

576
00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:13,300
[producer]
And they paid your rent?

577
00:28:13,474 --> 00:28:15,563
Yeah, they paid the rent
and 200 bucks a week.

578
00:28:15,737 --> 00:28:18,305
And I was buying stage
clothes out of that, you know.

579
00:28:19,436 --> 00:28:20,916
And, um--

580
00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:22,222
[producer] Where did
all the money go?

581
00:28:23,005 --> 00:28:25,442
Tour. You know,
underwriting a tour.

582
00:28:25,616 --> 00:28:29,011
And, um, I'd already signed away

583
00:28:29,185 --> 00:28:31,797
my publishings
to get tour support,

584
00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:34,495
which was not the most--
brightest thing to do,

585
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:35,931
but I was a kid.

586
00:28:36,105 --> 00:28:38,368
But, uh--
and I would do it again,

587
00:28:38,542 --> 00:28:40,196
I suppose, in that situation,
you know.

588
00:28:40,936 --> 00:28:42,416
Give them something
to get the advance

589
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:44,244
to float a tour
to make the whole thing work.

590
00:28:45,636 --> 00:28:48,770
I wouldn't do it now,
but, um, you know,

591
00:28:48,944 --> 00:28:50,554
you had to give
everything you had, you know.

592
00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:53,253
["Turn and Walk Away"
by The Babys]

593
00:28:53,427 --> 00:28:56,430
<i>♪ We're gonna
turn our backs on love ♪</i>

594
00:28:59,999 --> 00:29:02,741
I remember
a couple of years later,

595
00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:07,833
I had $6,000 for six years work.

596
00:29:08,311 --> 00:29:10,226
[producer]
Five albums, five tours.

597
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:15,884
And $6,000. Yeah, Chrysalis.

598
00:29:16,058 --> 00:29:18,539
["Every Time I Think
of You" by John Waite]

599
00:29:18,713 --> 00:29:22,978
<i>♪ And every time
I think of you, babe ♪</i>

600
00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:26,982
<i>♪ Every time
I think of you, yeah ♪</i>

601
00:29:27,156 --> 00:29:30,986
<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

602
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,556
<i>♪ It always turns out good ♪</i>

603
00:29:35,730 --> 00:29:39,081
<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

604
00:29:39,255 --> 00:29:42,824
<i>♪ Every time
I think of you ♪</i>

605
00:29:44,347 --> 00:29:47,568
<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

606
00:29:47,742 --> 00:29:50,092
♪

607
00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:56,446
[crowd cheers]

608
00:29:56,620 --> 00:30:01,103
[Ron] I remember going up to
Chrysalis's offices on Sunset.

609
00:30:01,887 --> 00:30:05,412
And I had a mandate
from the record company

610
00:30:05,586 --> 00:30:10,547
to make an album that
was radio-friendly, let's say.

611
00:30:10,721 --> 00:30:15,204
We could get some hits going on.
And the way to--

612
00:30:15,378 --> 00:30:19,382
to do it in those days,
I thought, was a power ballad.

613
00:30:19,556 --> 00:30:21,254
["The Golden Mile" by The Babys]

614
00:30:21,428 --> 00:30:23,734
<i>♪ Had a vision
on the Golden Mile ♪</i>

615
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:26,389
A lot of the stuff
that John was writing

616
00:30:26,563 --> 00:30:30,741
was a little dark and it didn't
have the pop appeal, I thought.

617
00:30:31,568 --> 00:30:33,266
So, I suggested a song

618
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,096
by Jack Conrad and Ray Kennedy
called "Isn't It Time".

619
00:30:38,184 --> 00:30:40,229
And they absolutely hated it.

620
00:30:41,274 --> 00:30:42,841
"Do we have to do this?"

621
00:30:43,537 --> 00:30:46,583
And I went,
"Yeah, we have to do it."

622
00:30:46,757 --> 00:30:49,543
And that was the first time

623
00:30:49,717 --> 00:30:51,980
and I think
that personality-wise,

624
00:30:52,154 --> 00:30:54,504
that I got off on
the wrong foot with John Waite.

625
00:30:54,678 --> 00:30:56,942
And I can appreciate
the fact that

626
00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,031
here they were,
a big signing,

627
00:30:59,205 --> 00:31:03,862
and they're being asked to do
something that wasn't theirs.

628
00:31:06,168 --> 00:31:09,955
There was a reluctance from John
to really sing the song.

629
00:31:11,391 --> 00:31:13,523
And when it got to the chorus,

630
00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:16,309
I ended up using
background singers.

631
00:31:17,353 --> 00:31:19,181
It ended up okay.

632
00:31:20,791 --> 00:31:22,489
I used it like an answer.

633
00:31:23,185 --> 00:31:24,230
I had John to sing,

634
00:31:24,404 --> 00:31:26,623
<i>♪ Isn't it time ♪</i>

635
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,148
And the girls were singing,

636
00:31:29,322 --> 00:31:31,977
<i>♪ Falling in love
will be your mistake ♪</i>

637
00:31:32,151 --> 00:31:34,066
And-- and it worked out.

638
00:31:37,765 --> 00:31:41,725
[John] Looking back at making
the record, Ron was saying,

639
00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:44,076
"Did we have a single?"

640
00:31:44,772 --> 00:31:46,208
And we never thought about that.

641
00:31:46,382 --> 00:31:47,906
It was-- Just wasn't important.
Now we--

642
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,951
we were all content
to make great records,

643
00:31:50,125 --> 00:31:51,344
you know, back then.

644
00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:53,520
And we thought
about it and said,

645
00:31:53,694 --> 00:31:55,130
"Well, you know, maybe we don't.

646
00:31:55,304 --> 00:31:57,132
Is it important?" You know.

647
00:31:57,698 --> 00:32:00,657
He said, "I got this
song called, 'Isn't It Time.'

648
00:32:00,831 --> 00:32:02,703
Do you wanna listen to it?"

649
00:32:03,834 --> 00:32:05,358
And I listened.

650
00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:09,666
There's this guy on the piano
who sounds like he's on ludes.

651
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,453
You know, he's like,
[heaving] "Isn't it time?"

652
00:32:13,627 --> 00:32:15,672
You know and I listened to it
and I thought,

653
00:32:15,846 --> 00:32:18,458
"Fuckin' hell,
you know. What's he on?"

654
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,069
And he said, "Listen,
there's a song in there.

655
00:32:21,591 --> 00:32:23,767
There really is.
You know, just listen."

656
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:26,814
And I listened
and we all listened, you know,

657
00:32:26,988 --> 00:32:28,294
we were all musical.

658
00:32:28,468 --> 00:32:29,904
And we looked at it
and it was like,

659
00:32:30,078 --> 00:32:32,733
"Well, you know,
we have some studio time."

660
00:32:32,907 --> 00:32:34,300
But we went out in the room

661
00:32:34,474 --> 00:32:36,432
and we started to work up
an arrangement.

662
00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:39,174
We all have did our thing,
you know.

663
00:32:39,348 --> 00:32:41,263
Wally was really
great in the chorus

664
00:32:41,437 --> 00:32:43,874
with this driving
sort of, like, AC/DC thing.

665
00:32:44,701 --> 00:32:47,226
And I threw in
the "Hey, babe" thing, you know,

666
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,141
to give it more momentum.

667
00:32:49,315 --> 00:32:53,101
<i>♪ Hey, babe, isn't it time? ♪</i>

668
00:32:54,537 --> 00:32:56,844
And then we had these
backup singers come in,

669
00:32:57,323 --> 00:33:00,195
which was like a dream come
true, it was like, you know,

670
00:33:00,369 --> 00:33:01,936
Motown for me.

671
00:33:02,110 --> 00:33:03,720
["Isn't It Time" by The Babys]

672
00:33:03,894 --> 00:33:05,026
<i>♪ Falling in love
was the last thing</i>

673
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,594
<i>♪ I had on my mind ♪</i>

674
00:33:08,421 --> 00:33:10,510
[Ron] When that
got out on the radio,

675
00:33:10,684 --> 00:33:13,556
what a terrific thing that was.

676
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:18,039
That marriage
of English rock and the R

677
00:33:18,213 --> 00:33:20,259
<i>♪ Sitting here all alone ♪</i>

678
00:33:20,433 --> 00:33:22,522
<i>♪ Just trying to decide ♪</i>

679
00:33:22,696 --> 00:33:24,350
I'm sure The Babys hated it.

680
00:33:26,091 --> 00:33:27,396
I'm sure of it.

681
00:33:28,702 --> 00:33:32,575
But I-- I felt
like, uh, in the end,

682
00:33:32,749 --> 00:33:36,362
I delivered what I was asked
to deliver by the people

683
00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:37,928
that hired me.

684
00:33:38,103 --> 00:33:39,800
<i>♪ Isn't it time ♪</i>

685
00:33:39,974 --> 00:33:42,498
<i>♪ Isn't it time,
it took time to wait ♪</i>

686
00:33:42,672 --> 00:33:45,980
<i>♪ Falling in love
could be your mistake ♪</i>

687
00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:47,721
<i>♪ Isn't it time ♪</i>

688
00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:50,245
<i>♪ Isn't it time
you took time to wait ♪</i>

689
00:33:50,419 --> 00:33:51,986
<i>♪ Falling in love
could be your mistake ♪</i>

690
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,640
[John]
It finished the album

691
00:33:53,814 --> 00:33:57,252
and it suddenly
looked like a bona fide hit.

692
00:33:58,862 --> 00:33:59,907
We were proud of it.

693
00:34:00,734 --> 00:34:04,042
Went to that number 14
and the top 20 Billboard.

694
00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,132
[producer] Nevison says
asking you to do,

695
00:34:07,306 --> 00:34:09,438
"Isn't It Time" is where
you and he started to fall out.

696
00:34:09,612 --> 00:34:13,007
Oh, it's bullshit.
That's just not true.

697
00:34:13,181 --> 00:34:15,444
Because he was on head first
the next album.

698
00:34:15,618 --> 00:34:17,142
If I fall out with you,

699
00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:18,752
it's kinda like
you've done something serious.

700
00:34:22,408 --> 00:34:24,801
It's hard to describe
what was going on with him.

701
00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:27,152
When we had the first meeting,

702
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:29,676
he leaned
in at one point and said,

703
00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:32,070
"You know, sometimes
I'm gonna be really difficult."

704
00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:36,030
And I leaned back in
and said, "Really?"

705
00:34:38,076 --> 00:34:39,555
He was trying to set it up

706
00:34:39,729 --> 00:34:41,688
that he was gonna be
an asshole in the studio

707
00:34:41,862 --> 00:34:42,993
and I wasn't having it.

708
00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:46,084
But he actually put that
into the conversation.

709
00:34:46,867 --> 00:34:49,130
Like, "Get ready 'cause
I'm a real problem."

710
00:34:51,828 --> 00:34:55,484
But I hadn't had a problem
enough to not work with him.

711
00:34:56,355 --> 00:34:59,749
You know, I think we had a talk
about what we were gonna do

712
00:34:59,923 --> 00:35:01,795
before I went in the studio.
And it-- and it was good.

713
00:35:01,969 --> 00:35:05,146
I mean that album
was really a good album

714
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,843
and he went with me on it.

715
00:35:07,017 --> 00:35:08,280
["Every Time I Think
of You" by The Babys]

716
00:35:08,454 --> 00:35:10,630
<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

717
00:35:12,458 --> 00:35:16,114
<i>♪ It always turns out good ♪</i>

718
00:35:16,288 --> 00:35:18,507
Well, I thought John was a star.
I always did.

719
00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:20,335
I still do, actually.

720
00:35:20,509 --> 00:35:24,600
But, um, for all artists
who aspire to that position

721
00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:27,299
in the marketplace
and in people's minds,

722
00:35:27,473 --> 00:35:29,388
you have to be an egomaniac

723
00:35:29,562 --> 00:35:32,434
and you have to be driven and
you have to be self-absorbed.

724
00:35:33,218 --> 00:35:35,742
It's almost a prerequisite
for success. The ones--

725
00:35:35,916 --> 00:35:39,137
the ones that are
not really don't make it.

726
00:35:42,009 --> 00:35:46,796
<i>♪ But maybe I was wrong not
knowing how our love should go ♪</i>

727
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:50,060
<i>♪ How our love,
how our love should go ♪</i>

728
00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:53,629
<i>♪ But I wasn't wrong not knowing
how our love would grow ♪</i>

729
00:35:53,803 --> 00:35:56,850
You know, The Babys,
they were a piece of work.

730
00:35:57,590 --> 00:36:00,897
Michael was just as big
an egomaniac as John,

731
00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:02,725
but he was not the lead singer.

732
00:36:03,378 --> 00:36:05,772
Plus he-- You know,
John was miserable at a time

733
00:36:05,946 --> 00:36:07,861
when he should have
been having a ball, you know.

734
00:36:12,692 --> 00:36:14,781
[John] When we were
making the third album

735
00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:21,483
and we'd gone down to San Diego
to play a show and it sold out.

736
00:36:23,006 --> 00:36:25,792
We got, like, two songs
before the end

737
00:36:26,749 --> 00:36:31,841
and Mike smashes his guitar
and starts screaming,

738
00:36:32,015 --> 00:36:33,974
"Fuck off. Fuck you,"
at the audience.

739
00:36:34,757 --> 00:36:36,498
And he walked off stage.

740
00:36:37,543 --> 00:36:41,373
We had no idea what he was
talking about or what happened.

741
00:36:42,722 --> 00:36:45,333
The audience just looked at us
like, "What the fuck was that?"

742
00:36:45,507 --> 00:36:48,206
And we looked at the audience
like, "We don't fucking know."

743
00:36:50,077 --> 00:36:51,513
I think he said

744
00:36:51,687 --> 00:36:52,558
that the audience weren't
digging him

745
00:36:52,732 --> 00:36:54,081
or something, you know.

746
00:36:54,255 --> 00:36:55,909
And we got on
the bus to come home

747
00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:59,086
and Mike was
getting really drunk

748
00:36:59,956 --> 00:37:02,045
and he come up
and sat in front seat

749
00:37:03,133 --> 00:37:05,440
and started to tell me
what he felt about me.

750
00:37:06,963 --> 00:37:08,878
That I'm fucking useless.

751
00:37:11,054 --> 00:37:12,142
And I lost it.

752
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:16,321
For the first time in
three years, I lost it.

753
00:37:16,495 --> 00:37:19,193
[somber music playing]

754
00:37:19,367 --> 00:37:22,501
And we got into a complete
fist fight on this bus

755
00:37:23,197 --> 00:37:24,503
and we got dragged apart.

756
00:37:25,765 --> 00:37:29,769
We got to the apartment, got
off the bus, started up again.

757
00:37:29,943 --> 00:37:31,988
The fist fight
just continued, you know.

758
00:37:32,162 --> 00:37:34,252
And we were, like,
rolling around, you know,

759
00:37:34,426 --> 00:37:36,950
really hardcore. And he came up
with a broken bottle,

760
00:37:38,081 --> 00:37:40,301
you know, out of nowhere.
It was Michelob.

761
00:37:40,475 --> 00:37:43,391
I hate Michelob beer.
It has a big wide mouth on it

762
00:37:43,565 --> 00:37:45,437
and he smashed
this bottle and come up,

763
00:37:45,959 --> 00:37:48,004
you know, a broken bottle.

764
00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:52,270
Wow. You know,
where did that come from?

765
00:37:53,532 --> 00:37:56,665
And, uh, Tony jumped on him.
Ron Stone jumped on him.

766
00:37:56,839 --> 00:37:58,972
We got pulled apart again,
but a broken bottle.

767
00:38:03,498 --> 00:38:06,414
But when he got fired,
and this is the truth,

768
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:09,287
we offered him an equal share.

769
00:38:09,461 --> 00:38:11,201
We said, "Look man,
if we finally get outta debt,

770
00:38:11,376 --> 00:38:12,899
we started this thing together

771
00:38:13,465 --> 00:38:16,859
and we'll honor
the future for as long

772
00:38:17,033 --> 00:38:19,688
as the band's together,
you can have 25% of the profits.

773
00:38:19,862 --> 00:38:22,648
Should it ever come to that."
We did say that.

774
00:38:23,213 --> 00:38:25,085
But, uh,
we didn't get outta debt,

775
00:38:25,259 --> 00:38:26,826
so it didn't really matter.

776
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,480
I mean it's comical now,
but it was done in a way,

777
00:38:28,654 --> 00:38:32,397
there was no, um--
there was no argument.

778
00:38:33,441 --> 00:38:35,313
I mean, somebody's
trying to fuck you up

779
00:38:35,487 --> 00:38:36,531
with a broken bottle.

780
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:41,275
How do you deal with that?
You know.

781
00:38:42,537 --> 00:38:44,060
["Missing You" cover]

782
00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:46,324
<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

783
00:38:48,238 --> 00:38:51,416
<i>♪ I always catch my breath ♪</i>

784
00:38:51,590 --> 00:38:54,419
<i>♪ And I'm still standing here ♪</i>

785
00:38:54,593 --> 00:38:57,160
<i>♪ And you're miles away ♪</i>

786
00:38:57,335 --> 00:39:00,599
<i>♪ And I'm wondering
why you left ♪</i>

787
00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:02,775
<i>♪ And there's a storm
that's raging ♪</i>

788
00:39:02,949 --> 00:39:04,254
[woman] Do you
look at your library?

789
00:39:04,429 --> 00:39:06,213
Do you look at your catalog
and say,

790
00:39:06,387 --> 00:39:08,650
"Whoa, this is me?
This was my music?"

791
00:39:08,824 --> 00:39:11,697
Yeah. Only-- only recently,
I've started to look back

792
00:39:11,871 --> 00:39:13,438
at different periods
like LA with The Babys.

793
00:39:13,612 --> 00:39:15,222
[woman]
Right. Right.

794
00:39:15,396 --> 00:39:17,616
[John] Me going solo
and then Bad English and--

795
00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:19,661
and then going solo again.

796
00:39:19,835 --> 00:39:22,447
And I'm starting
to lose perspective.

797
00:39:22,621 --> 00:39:24,449
Some of it's closer
than the other parts, you know.

798
00:39:24,623 --> 00:39:25,798
[woman]
Right. Right.

799
00:39:25,972 --> 00:39:27,452
I mean being 28,

800
00:39:27,626 --> 00:39:29,279
it's the same
as being 38 now, isn't it?

801
00:39:29,454 --> 00:39:31,107
Well, you've-- I mean
you've worked with everyone.

802
00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:32,282
- You have worked with everyone.
- [John] Yeah, I have.

803
00:39:32,457 --> 00:39:34,284
I want you to be honest with me

804
00:39:34,459 --> 00:39:36,243
and tell me who was a real
pain in the ass to work with.

805
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:39,855
I can't tell you that.
I can't. I would love to.

806
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:41,030
[Michael]
Come on!

807
00:39:41,204 --> 00:39:43,076
Come on, Michael, no.

808
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:44,425
[Michael]
First name. First name.

809
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:45,731
No, no.

810
00:39:45,905 --> 00:39:46,862
[Michael]
Last name.

811
00:39:47,036 --> 00:39:48,734
No. Both names. No.

812
00:39:48,908 --> 00:39:51,127
[Michael laughs]

813
00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:53,216
[thunder clapping]

814
00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,610
[man] What do
you miss most about

815
00:39:55,784 --> 00:39:59,266
your past life before Covid?

816
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,487
[John] <i>Well, playing live.
I miss the band.</i>

817
00:40:02,661 --> 00:40:04,489
<i>You know, they're sort
of my closest friends</i>

818
00:40:04,663 --> 00:40:08,014
<i>and-- and we do
about 70 days a year.</i>

819
00:40:08,188 --> 00:40:12,453
<i>So, I'm doing a lot
of reading, just painting.</i>

820
00:40:12,627 --> 00:40:15,413
<i>We're doing-- doing
our best to get through.</i>

821
00:40:15,587 --> 00:40:18,154
<i>But he will come back
and I think when he comes back,</i>

822
00:40:18,328 --> 00:40:20,548
<i>everybody's
gonna be raring to go.</i>

823
00:40:20,722 --> 00:40:24,596
<i>The shows will be great.
The audiences will be great.</i>

824
00:40:24,770 --> 00:40:26,336
<i>We'll be glad to see each other.</i>

825
00:40:26,511 --> 00:40:28,817
<i>It'll be a warm,
wonderful celebration of music.</i>

826
00:40:28,991 --> 00:40:31,907
<i>You know, any--
anytime he's ready to go,</i>

827
00:40:32,081 --> 00:40:33,343
<i>I'm there.</i>

828
00:40:35,955 --> 00:40:38,044
What are
my issues about the couch?

829
00:40:38,827 --> 00:40:41,134
You want so much space.

830
00:40:41,308 --> 00:40:42,788
It's just you
can't have enough space.

831
00:40:42,962 --> 00:40:46,008
You can't say please,
you can't say thank you.

832
00:40:46,182 --> 00:40:47,749
[voice fades]

833
00:40:47,923 --> 00:40:50,056
[John] <i>I honestly
can't wait for it.</i>

834
00:40:51,710 --> 00:40:53,363
[thunder clapping]

835
00:40:57,019 --> 00:41:00,849
[Joni] I'm asking myself
what keeps me here a lot lately

836
00:41:01,023 --> 00:41:03,591
since the world
has shut down.

837
00:41:03,765 --> 00:41:05,724
[sighs]

838
00:41:05,898 --> 00:41:09,684
Because we've been living
in this extreme temperature

839
00:41:09,858 --> 00:41:13,862
of emotions
that are uncomfortable,

840
00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:17,605
lots of fear,
you know, whether that's

841
00:41:17,779 --> 00:41:24,569
a self-destructive alcohol
thing or di-- disengaging.

842
00:41:25,961 --> 00:41:27,223
Do you have your mask?

843
00:41:28,181 --> 00:41:29,487
[John] Yeah.

844
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:33,012
[Joni] I'm sure it's
brought on by him not touring.

845
00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:40,367
It really is one of those
things where you don't always

846
00:41:40,541 --> 00:41:45,241
know why you
have it for someone.

847
00:41:46,982 --> 00:41:48,375
And that--
and I-- and I ask myself

848
00:41:48,549 --> 00:41:50,159
a lot, like, what the fuck?

849
00:41:50,856 --> 00:41:52,118
[John] Give me that.

850
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,644
We were
off and on for 26 years

851
00:41:56,818 --> 00:41:59,952
and now we're finally
living together and trying

852
00:42:00,126 --> 00:42:01,780
to see if this
is, like, gonna work.

853
00:42:04,739 --> 00:42:06,262
I can't-- I don't know.

854
00:42:06,436 --> 00:42:07,612
He's like--
he's-- he's the most important

855
00:42:07,786 --> 00:42:09,483
thing to me in my life.

856
00:42:10,266 --> 00:42:12,660
I-- I can't-- As bad as it gets,

857
00:42:12,834 --> 00:42:15,315
I can't imagine
life without him.

858
00:42:15,489 --> 00:42:17,752
And that is a weird way to feel.

859
00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:34,595
[guitar strumming]

860
00:42:34,769 --> 00:42:37,206
<i>♪ There must be some
kind of way out of here ♪</i>

861
00:42:38,947 --> 00:42:40,688
<i>♪ Said a joker to a thief ♪</i>

862
00:42:42,995 --> 00:42:45,563
<i>♪ There is
too much confusion here ♪</i>

863
00:42:47,173 --> 00:42:50,132
<i>♪ And I can't get no relief ♪</i>

864
00:42:50,306 --> 00:42:53,919
<i>♪ Business men,
they drink my wine ♪</i>

865
00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:58,184
<i>♪ Plowmen dig my earth ♪</i>

866
00:42:59,185 --> 00:43:00,882
[Joni] Touring,

867
00:43:01,056 --> 00:43:05,191
that's what he does
and that's how his whole life

868
00:43:05,931 --> 00:43:09,848
has been lived through
singing all over the world.

869
00:43:10,022 --> 00:43:12,372
And all of a sudden
now he can't do that.

870
00:43:14,809 --> 00:43:17,812
How do you go from
that extreme to just

871
00:43:17,986 --> 00:43:18,987
sitting on the couch

872
00:43:19,161 --> 00:43:21,642
watching freaking Netflix?

873
00:43:22,774 --> 00:43:25,603
You know, for me
that's fine 'cause I love that.

874
00:43:26,081 --> 00:43:27,953
But his desires

875
00:43:28,127 --> 00:43:30,651
are to go out and kinda

876
00:43:30,825 --> 00:43:34,002
recreate
the excitement of the road.

877
00:43:36,048 --> 00:43:38,703
<i>♪ Watchtower ♪</i>

878
00:43:46,188 --> 00:43:47,450
[John] Any requests?

879
00:43:49,452 --> 00:43:50,932
[crowd cheers]

880
00:43:51,106 --> 00:43:52,499
[Mike] We're very
pleased to have you.

881
00:43:52,673 --> 00:43:54,066
Thank you.

882
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,328
[Mike]
How about another tune, guys?

883
00:43:55,502 --> 00:43:56,764
- Love to.
- The Babys.

884
00:43:56,938 --> 00:43:59,506
- Thank you.
- [audience applauds]

885
00:44:04,554 --> 00:44:06,121
[John] And I think
everybody in the business

886
00:44:06,295 --> 00:44:08,123
that was around
The Babys, including The Babys,

887
00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,386
were just like,
"This is bullshit."

888
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,997
You know?

889
00:44:12,171 --> 00:44:15,217
There was somebody
on the inside trying

890
00:44:15,391 --> 00:44:17,350
to stop getting to the outside.

891
00:44:19,526 --> 00:44:20,788
I should have just left.

892
00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:26,098
But the band came to
me and said, "Don't leave."

893
00:44:27,882 --> 00:44:30,450
My girlfriend
and I were missing England.

894
00:44:31,973 --> 00:44:34,019
It was like,
"Should we just go home?"

895
00:44:34,193 --> 00:44:36,848
["And If You Could
See Me Fly" by The Babys]

896
00:44:38,545 --> 00:44:40,199
And I stayed.

897
00:44:40,373 --> 00:44:43,158
And to this day I wonder
if that was the right decision,

898
00:44:43,332 --> 00:44:44,638
you know?

899
00:44:45,813 --> 00:44:49,469
I said, "If you go forward,
I'm not playing bass anymore."

900
00:44:50,426 --> 00:44:51,776
[producer] And that's when
you brought in Jonathan Cain

901
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:53,429
- and Rick Phillip.
- [John] Yep.

902
00:44:53,603 --> 00:44:55,214
Jonathan Cain
and Ricky Phillips came in

903
00:44:55,388 --> 00:44:58,739
and they brought a-- a brand
new energy to The Babys.

904
00:45:01,437 --> 00:45:03,222
And we really needed it.

905
00:45:04,266 --> 00:45:07,226
'Cause up to that point,
it was kinda lonesome.

906
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,315
["Back on My Feet Again"
by The Babys]

907
00:45:09,489 --> 00:45:11,230
<i>♪ Until I met you ♪</i>

908
00:45:11,404 --> 00:45:13,493
<i>♪ Told myself
I'd get by without love ♪</i>

909
00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:15,582
Please welcome The Babys.

910
00:45:16,148 --> 00:45:19,673
[John] And I found
I could be kinda fearless.

911
00:45:21,196 --> 00:45:26,332
And we suddenly became
a really serious live band.

912
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,684
<i>Jonathan Cain,
Ricky Phillip joined</i>

913
00:45:30,858 --> 00:45:32,904
<i>the band and
we hit the road and man,</i>

914
00:45:33,078 --> 00:45:35,471
<i>we were playing, like,
five nights a week on stage</i>

915
00:45:35,645 --> 00:45:37,735
<i>with one of these
major bands that was touring.</i>

916
00:45:37,909 --> 00:45:42,174
<i>And we'd be going out in front
of people and just killing.</i>

917
00:45:42,348 --> 00:45:45,612
<i>But he record company were
having distribution problems.</i>

918
00:45:45,786 --> 00:45:48,006
<i>They couldn't put
the records in the stores.</i>

919
00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:49,790
<i>You know,
we'd go the record stores</i>

920
00:45:49,964 --> 00:45:51,923
<i>and there'd
be no Babys' records.</i>

921
00:45:52,097 --> 00:45:55,013
<i>And at first, we thought,
"Wow, we must be selling out."</i>

922
00:45:55,187 --> 00:45:57,580
<i>The frustration was
so enormous towards the end,</i>

923
00:45:57,755 --> 00:45:59,234
<i>we've done so well.</i>

924
00:45:59,408 --> 00:46:01,410
<i>A foot away from making it huge.</i>

925
00:46:01,584 --> 00:46:06,111
<i>And what are we?
A tax write-off? You bastards.</i>

926
00:46:06,285 --> 00:46:09,636
<i>And Jonathan Cain got
offered a job with Journey.</i>

927
00:46:09,810 --> 00:46:12,378
<i>And that was
the last straw, really.</i>

928
00:46:12,552 --> 00:46:14,336
<i>I just went like,
"Fuck it. I'm leaving."</i>

929
00:46:16,861 --> 00:46:18,036
[melancholy music playing]

930
00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:19,602
[John] It was the end, you know.

931
00:46:22,475 --> 00:46:23,955
I went back to England,

932
00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:29,264
got married
and I had a home suddenly.

933
00:46:30,918 --> 00:46:33,921
It was like
an English country life

934
00:46:34,095 --> 00:46:35,444
with absolutely
no rock and roll.

935
00:46:35,618 --> 00:46:37,011
It was just the pub,

936
00:46:37,185 --> 00:46:38,491
if you were to go
down the pub,

937
00:46:38,665 --> 00:46:40,101
or long walks through these fields.

938
00:46:43,278 --> 00:46:45,715
And even though
I'd left The Babys,

939
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:48,457
I was still in debt
to the record company.

940
00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:50,895
Huge amount of money.

941
00:46:52,722 --> 00:46:57,815
So, I signed a solo
deal in the middle of all that

942
00:46:57,989 --> 00:46:59,077
with Chrysalis.

943
00:47:00,078 --> 00:47:01,993
I went
back and made a solo record.

944
00:47:03,951 --> 00:47:07,476
Neil Giraldo produced
it and we had a hit song

945
00:47:07,650 --> 00:47:08,826
on it called, "Change."

946
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,915
<i>♪ People talking ♪</i>

947
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:13,656
<i>♪ And they're
saying that you're leaving ♪</i>

948
00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:15,963
[John] MTV had just started.

949
00:47:16,703 --> 00:47:18,531
They didn't
have a lot of videos to play.

950
00:47:18,705 --> 00:47:20,272
<i>I hope you're
watching us in stereo.</i>

951
00:47:20,446 --> 00:47:21,926
[John]
But if you had a video,

952
00:47:22,665 --> 00:47:24,754
you were suddenly
in every home in America.

953
00:47:25,799 --> 00:47:29,194
So, I was getting
played, like, eight times a day.

954
00:47:29,368 --> 00:47:31,849
<i>♪ We think we have the answers ♪</i>

955
00:47:32,023 --> 00:47:34,982
[John] It was like, turn
the thing on and there it was.

956
00:47:35,156 --> 00:47:38,203
<i>♪ Gonna change [change] ♪</i>

957
00:47:38,377 --> 00:47:41,162
<i>♪ It doesn't
matter who you are ♪</i>

958
00:47:41,336 --> 00:47:45,036
<i>♪ It's all the same ♪</i>

959
00:47:45,210 --> 00:47:47,995
[John] But again,
the record company didn't really

960
00:47:48,996 --> 00:47:50,302
follow through on the release.

961
00:47:50,476 --> 00:47:53,305
And after
about a year of being

962
00:47:53,479 --> 00:47:55,002
on the road
and living in New York,

963
00:47:55,176 --> 00:47:57,831
year and a half,
I threw the towel in, really.

964
00:47:58,005 --> 00:47:59,877
I just threw the towel
in and went back to England.

965
00:48:00,051 --> 00:48:03,402
It was just more than I could
put up with really, you know.

966
00:48:07,710 --> 00:48:12,063
I'd met my wife just
before I went to art school.

967
00:48:13,629 --> 00:48:17,285
We knew each other
for I think maybe 12 years

968
00:48:17,459 --> 00:48:19,070
and we were married for two.

969
00:48:19,853 --> 00:48:23,291
It was a-- a serious long-term
relationship, you know.

970
00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:30,429
And, uh, I think me
being away so much, the touring,

971
00:48:31,038 --> 00:48:33,867
that relentless drive to just
keep getting up and keeping

972
00:48:34,041 --> 00:48:37,044
going, it meant--
it was more than me, you know?

973
00:48:37,218 --> 00:48:42,571
I felt-- I just believed in
making music or making records.

974
00:48:43,181 --> 00:48:45,444
It's all I wanted to do.
It's all I thought about.

975
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:49,013
And, uh, I probably
let her down, you know.

976
00:48:49,187 --> 00:48:52,668
I feel-- you know,
I do feel if I hadn't

977
00:48:52,842 --> 00:48:55,323
have gone after it,
we might still be married.

978
00:48:55,497 --> 00:48:56,759
I-- I just don't know.

979
00:48:56,934 --> 00:48:58,761
But we did
grow apart and, um,

980
00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:03,810
it's just the way
it was really, you know.

981
00:49:04,463 --> 00:49:06,421
["Missing You" cover]

982
00:49:06,595 --> 00:49:12,514
♪

983
00:49:12,688 --> 00:49:16,127
<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

984
00:49:16,301 --> 00:49:19,608
<i>♪ I always catch my breath ♪</i>

985
00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:21,610
<i>♪ And I'm still standing here ♪</i>

986
00:49:21,784 --> 00:49:24,091
[John] "Missing You" was
kinda made up on the spot

987
00:49:24,874 --> 00:49:27,051
over somebody else's
chord changes, you know.

988
00:49:27,225 --> 00:49:28,835
I hadn't got
a clue what I was gonna do.

989
00:49:29,009 --> 00:49:32,056
I just heard the backing
track and asked if I could sing

990
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:35,450
over it, where-- me and this
guy would write this other song.

991
00:49:37,061 --> 00:49:39,063
I even use The Babys'
"Every Time I Think of You,"

992
00:49:39,237 --> 00:49:41,500
which was one of our
big singles, to get me going.

993
00:49:42,501 --> 00:49:44,720
And then it was,
"I always catch my breath

994
00:49:44,894 --> 00:49:46,374
and I'm still standing
here and you're miles away

995
00:49:46,548 --> 00:49:48,072
and I'm wondering why you left.

996
00:49:48,246 --> 00:49:49,377
And there's a storm
that's racing through

997
00:49:49,551 --> 00:49:50,726
my frozen heart tonight.

998
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:52,032
I ain't missing you at all."

999
00:49:52,206 --> 00:49:53,468
In one piece.

1000
00:49:55,296 --> 00:49:57,211
You know, it's--
it's the muse, you know.

1001
00:49:57,385 --> 00:49:59,039
It's what it--
it's like all these things

1002
00:49:59,213 --> 00:50:01,041
that I wanted to get home.

1003
00:50:01,215 --> 00:50:04,218
I'd been making this record
for EMI for, like, three months.

1004
00:50:04,871 --> 00:50:06,177
So, I hadn't gone home.

1005
00:50:06,873 --> 00:50:08,875
And I knew we hadn't
got that major single, too,

1006
00:50:09,049 --> 00:50:10,442
when we were mixing the record.

1007
00:50:10,616 --> 00:50:12,400
So, that was
just waiting to happen.

1008
00:50:12,574 --> 00:50:13,836
What can I get for you?

1009
00:50:14,837 --> 00:50:16,752
Um, fill it up.

1010
00:50:17,797 --> 00:50:20,017
It's like queued up
in the things you have to have,

1011
00:50:20,191 --> 00:50:23,498
have to get to-- to--
to make something complete.

1012
00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:30,157
And the thing about,
"I can lie to myself"

1013
00:50:32,072 --> 00:50:34,988
at the end, you know,
'cause it's about denial.

1014
00:50:36,424 --> 00:50:38,296
I must have
heard it in the back

1015
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:41,777
of my head that that was gonna
make the whole song what it was.

1016
00:50:41,951 --> 00:50:43,866
You know, denial.

1017
00:50:45,651 --> 00:50:47,348
"I ain't missing you at all.

1018
00:50:47,522 --> 00:50:49,046
I can lie to myself."

1019
00:50:51,309 --> 00:50:52,919
Just chance, you know.

1020
00:50:53,441 --> 00:50:54,703
[reporter 1]
Coming up, we have got

1021
00:50:54,877 --> 00:50:57,141
the first single
out by John Waite.

1022
00:50:57,315 --> 00:50:59,230
<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

1023
00:50:59,404 --> 00:51:00,883
[reporter 2]
Here is an Englishman

1024
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:02,668
now with a record
that took into the top

1025
00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:04,800
of the American charts,
a new entry for John Waite.

1026
00:51:06,672 --> 00:51:08,630
[John] A lot
of things happened that should

1027
00:51:08,804 --> 00:51:12,852
have happened maybe five
years before, but I was able

1028
00:51:13,026 --> 00:51:16,769
to go back home and not
feel like a loser, you know.

1029
00:51:18,510 --> 00:51:20,555
My parents were really proud.

1030
00:51:22,514 --> 00:51:24,298
I could go
in the pub and it was like

1031
00:51:24,472 --> 00:51:27,214
people sending pints
of Guinness over and my--

1032
00:51:27,867 --> 00:51:29,303
you know,
it was just really sweet.

1033
00:51:31,697 --> 00:51:33,220
[Gary] We knew
it was pretty magical

1034
00:51:33,394 --> 00:51:35,875
and didn't imagine
it would be number one

1035
00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:38,704
in a gazillion
countries and all that.

1036
00:51:38,878 --> 00:51:41,750
But it's one of those songs
that stood the test of time.

1037
00:51:42,838 --> 00:51:46,407
And for the generation
that grew up around it,

1038
00:51:46,581 --> 00:51:48,888
they remember where they were
when they first heard it.

1039
00:51:49,671 --> 00:51:52,065
I think great singer,
great song.

1040
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:53,501
<i>♪ I ain't missing you at all ♪</i>

1041
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,506
[John] And missing
you still appear in movies

1042
00:51:59,203 --> 00:52:02,467
and TV shows to this day.

1043
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,599
You get to meet John Waite?

1044
00:52:05,774 --> 00:52:07,559
[John] It was
that big, you know.

1045
00:52:08,603 --> 00:52:10,301
It was a new feeling for me.

1046
00:52:12,477 --> 00:52:14,870
And the video was number one
for, like,

1047
00:52:15,044 --> 00:52:16,263
20 weeks or something.

1048
00:52:16,829 --> 00:52:18,091
It was absurd.

1049
00:52:19,266 --> 00:52:23,444
Suddenly I was
absolutely recognizable

1050
00:52:24,184 --> 00:52:25,620
in every country I went to.

1051
00:52:25,794 --> 00:52:28,188
<i>You're John Waite.</i>

1052
00:52:28,362 --> 00:52:31,452
<i>So I am.
And you're Taryn Blake.</i>

1053
00:52:31,626 --> 00:52:36,240
I even got cast in
a TV series called <i>Paper Dolls</i>

1054
00:52:36,414 --> 00:52:38,807
because "Missing You"
was gigantic.

1055
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:41,375
I couldn't go out.

1056
00:52:42,898 --> 00:52:45,379
I was living
in hotels in America.

1057
00:52:47,076 --> 00:52:48,948
At one point,
I had to get a bodyguard

1058
00:52:49,122 --> 00:52:50,515
that traveled with me.

1059
00:52:50,689 --> 00:52:54,562
[crowd cheers, screams]

1060
00:52:56,303 --> 00:52:59,611
[Gary] There's
no school for teaching people

1061
00:52:59,785 --> 00:53:01,003
how to deal with success.

1062
00:53:02,179 --> 00:53:03,963
Everyone deals
with it differently.

1063
00:53:05,530 --> 00:53:07,053
Some people
just take it in stride

1064
00:53:07,227 --> 00:53:09,838
and some people need to retreat.

1065
00:53:16,671 --> 00:53:18,499
[John] When I was starting out,

1066
00:53:18,673 --> 00:53:21,502
I honestly thought if,

1067
00:53:21,676 --> 00:53:25,027
by any kind of miracle
and trick I got to number one

1068
00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:26,899
or became successful,

1069
00:53:27,073 --> 00:53:30,903
I could completely pull back
and choose my moments

1070
00:53:31,077 --> 00:53:32,992
and come out and make the albums
I wanted to make

1071
00:53:33,166 --> 00:53:35,864
and then go back.
That was honestly my ambition.

1072
00:53:36,038 --> 00:53:41,870
I had no understanding of--
of being competitive and sort

1073
00:53:42,044 --> 00:53:44,482
of gotta have a hit and every
year you're top of the pops.

1074
00:53:44,656 --> 00:53:46,048
And-- that wasn't
what I wanted to do.

1075
00:53:46,223 --> 00:53:48,181
I wanted
to be a musician, a writer,

1076
00:53:48,703 --> 00:53:52,185
and really
just call my own shots.

1077
00:53:53,012 --> 00:53:56,494
So, when I got to number one
with "Missing You,"

1078
00:53:56,972 --> 00:53:58,931
that was like,
you know, job done.

1079
00:54:00,367 --> 00:54:01,673
That's what I wanted.

1080
00:54:02,717 --> 00:54:07,331
And then to be able
to be an artist behind that,

1081
00:54:07,505 --> 00:54:10,421
but to really be like
Prince and all those people,

1082
00:54:10,899 --> 00:54:13,511
brilliant talent,
but I-- that wasn't me at all.

1083
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,733
I was-- I wanted
to be in the shadow.

1084
00:54:23,216 --> 00:54:25,174
["Fly"
by John Waite]

1085
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:29,918
<i>♪ For so long, you've gone on ♪</i>

1086
00:54:31,703 --> 00:54:35,794
<i>♪ Trying
to see an end to it all ♪</i>

1087
00:54:35,968 --> 00:54:42,801
<i>♪ But I know that
your grip is getting loose ♪</i>

1088
00:54:51,853 --> 00:54:53,290
[John] Well,
we've been painting--

1089
00:54:53,464 --> 00:54:55,857
I've been painting
for, like, all my life,

1090
00:54:57,032 --> 00:54:58,991
but I've decided
to take more seriously and,

1091
00:54:59,165 --> 00:55:03,604
um, bang out
some-- some different stuff.

1092
00:55:03,778 --> 00:55:09,523
Uh, this is from art school.
This is a Worzel Gummidge.

1093
00:55:09,697 --> 00:55:13,179
This is like a scarecrow that
came to life. It's a kid's book.

1094
00:55:15,137 --> 00:55:17,488
It's pretty good. I gotta say.
It's-- it's not bad.

1095
00:55:19,228 --> 00:55:22,188
And then we move on to--
it's sort of like--

1096
00:55:22,362 --> 00:55:25,191
it's hardly serious painting,
but it's like a cartoon

1097
00:55:25,365 --> 00:55:30,762
of, uh, religion,
as you can see.

1098
00:55:32,198 --> 00:55:34,461
And the ventriloquist
dummy being

1099
00:55:35,244 --> 00:55:38,509
the deity and,
uh, the metal halo.

1100
00:55:39,379 --> 00:55:41,338
And the ventriloquist dummy

1101
00:55:41,512 --> 00:55:46,386
is in fact
a dummy himself, you know?

1102
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,345
But it is a cartoon.

1103
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:52,131
It's not-- it's not meant
to be a classic art or anything,

1104
00:55:52,305 --> 00:55:53,567
it's a cartoon.

1105
00:56:03,882 --> 00:56:05,579
Getting into art school alone

1106
00:56:05,753 --> 00:56:08,669
was a profoundly kind
thing for my parents.

1107
00:56:12,107 --> 00:56:13,935
They were both
working around the clock

1108
00:56:14,458 --> 00:56:15,894
to pay off the mortgage.

1109
00:56:17,809 --> 00:56:19,680
To allow me to
go to art school

1110
00:56:20,768 --> 00:56:23,510
was just kindness
itself, really.

1111
00:56:23,684 --> 00:56:26,557
Whenever I look back,
I'm just grateful for that.

1112
00:56:27,993 --> 00:56:33,259
I was good,
you know, but I wasn't great.

1113
00:56:35,435 --> 00:56:39,961
And no matter how hard I tried,
I was never gonna be great.

1114
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:43,574
You know,
you go into a life class

1115
00:56:44,662 --> 00:56:46,315
and you're
supposed to capture

1116
00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:50,668
that figurative art,
which is what I was drawn to.

1117
00:56:50,842 --> 00:56:52,800
And I couldn't--
I couldn't make that work.

1118
00:56:52,974 --> 00:56:54,889
You know, I could make
something work that I really

1119
00:56:55,063 --> 00:56:57,501
loved, but I couldn't
go outside of what I knew.

1120
00:56:58,415 --> 00:57:00,329
And I thought
if I took up music,

1121
00:57:02,201 --> 00:57:04,508
it would be genuine,
it would be authentic.

1122
00:57:06,466 --> 00:57:08,207
I didn't see myself as a singer,

1123
00:57:09,469 --> 00:57:13,168
but the chord
changes from the test card,

1124
00:57:13,342 --> 00:57:15,170
you know,
I recognize that music.

1125
00:57:15,344 --> 00:57:18,173
There was something there that
I-- that was, like, intangible.

1126
00:57:19,348 --> 00:57:24,179
And I felt if I could
just give it all to music,

1127
00:57:24,353 --> 00:57:26,530
that I would
do something that might win.

1128
00:57:26,704 --> 00:57:30,534
That might be authentic.
That would be absolutely true.

1129
00:57:33,928 --> 00:57:38,455
At this point,
I heard Neil Young and all

1130
00:57:38,629 --> 00:57:42,981
the kids at art school,
they were doing LSD, you know.

1131
00:57:43,764 --> 00:57:45,766
It's a brutal--
it's a brutal drug.

1132
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:47,202
You know, it's really hard.

1133
00:57:47,376 --> 00:57:48,639
It's reality.

1134
00:57:48,813 --> 00:57:50,467
And then there's
a lot of movement

1135
00:57:50,641 --> 00:57:51,816
in your soul with that stuff.

1136
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:53,992
It's, like, really desolate.

1137
00:57:54,166 --> 00:57:56,951
I mean, it's almost heroic
stepping into that world,

1138
00:57:57,125 --> 00:57:58,518
you know.

1139
00:57:59,084 --> 00:58:02,217
It's really terrifying
and it's also really glorious.

1140
00:58:03,131 --> 00:58:06,178
But you come back and it's
like you've been away at war.

1141
00:58:07,919 --> 00:58:10,617
You've been on the edge
of the stars, you know.

1142
00:58:11,096 --> 00:58:13,402
If you're paying attention,
it's gonna change your world.

1143
00:58:13,577 --> 00:58:17,363
But in Neil Young, I saw that.

1144
00:58:18,146 --> 00:58:20,888
I saw him representing
a sort of consciousness.

1145
00:58:21,976 --> 00:58:24,022
And that in itself--
'cause you wouldn't say

1146
00:58:24,196 --> 00:58:27,852
that Neil is, like, you know,
case book, great singer.

1147
00:58:28,026 --> 00:58:29,854
He's got a beautiful voice,
but it's faulted.

1148
00:58:30,028 --> 00:58:32,596
And that's back to what
I'm saying about being a singer.

1149
00:58:32,770 --> 00:58:35,729
I thought I could do it if--
even if I was faulted, it would

1150
00:58:35,903 --> 00:58:38,776
still be authentic and
that would make it authentic.

1151
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:40,908
Whatever was
wrong with my performance

1152
00:58:41,082 --> 00:58:43,476
would be honest
and I could deal with that.

1153
00:58:43,650 --> 00:58:45,522
I would take
my shot in life on that.

1154
00:58:48,612 --> 00:58:49,830
[man whistles]

1155
00:58:50,439 --> 00:58:51,702
[man] Buddy?

1156
00:58:52,746 --> 00:58:54,748
[crowd laughs]

1157
00:58:57,751 --> 00:58:59,013
One of these days,

1158
00:58:59,884 --> 00:59:01,973
you'll tell your
grandchildren about tonight.

1159
00:59:03,757 --> 00:59:07,021
And then the singer went outside
the car park and shot himself.

1160
00:59:07,195 --> 00:59:09,154
[laughter]

1161
00:59:10,808 --> 00:59:12,853
But the audience
started throwing money,

1162
00:59:13,332 --> 00:59:15,073
so he changed his mind.

1163
00:59:18,511 --> 00:59:21,296
This producer
was producing The Babys

1164
00:59:22,515 --> 00:59:27,564
and he-- he made this suggestion
for a vocal for one line.

1165
00:59:30,001 --> 00:59:33,439
And, uh,
I thought, you know, "Really?"

1166
00:59:33,613 --> 00:59:35,441
And he said, "Yeah, it's great."

1167
00:59:35,615 --> 00:59:37,922
And there hasn't been a time
when I've heard that record go

1168
00:59:38,096 --> 00:59:40,141
by and I hear that
line and I think it's wrong.

1169
00:59:40,925 --> 00:59:42,579
But God forbid
it's only one line.

1170
00:59:42,753 --> 00:59:45,625
You know, as people
have a whole album, you know,

1171
00:59:45,799 --> 00:59:48,846
scrapped cause of,
you know, simply not getting it.

1172
00:59:49,020 --> 00:59:51,936
But, uh, if it's
wrong, it's wrong.

1173
00:59:52,414 --> 00:59:54,895
You know, if something's
half right, it's wrong.

1174
00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:59,334
Rogers, I like the way you work.

1175
00:59:59,508 --> 01:00:01,032
I like your nerve.

1176
01:00:01,206 --> 01:00:02,642
I can use
a fire-snaking man like you.

1177
01:00:02,816 --> 01:00:04,644
In fact,
I need you for an assignment.

1178
01:00:04,818 --> 01:00:06,515
Well, thanks a lot, governor.
But I'm working with the rodeo.

1179
01:00:06,690 --> 01:00:08,300
That's why I sent for you.

1180
01:00:08,474 --> 01:00:09,693
The fellows
I'm after wouldn't

1181
01:00:09,867 --> 01:00:11,520
take you
for anything but a cowboy.

1182
01:00:11,695 --> 01:00:13,610
So far they've been
able to spot all my operatives.

1183
01:00:13,784 --> 01:00:15,133
You mean you want
me to follow someone?

1184
01:00:15,307 --> 01:00:16,613
Yes.

1185
01:00:17,526 --> 01:00:21,487
[twangy harmonica music]

1186
01:00:21,661 --> 01:00:24,533
[John] One day
the phone rang and it was like,

1187
01:00:25,143 --> 01:00:26,840
"Do you wanna go
on tour with Ringo?"

1188
01:00:28,929 --> 01:00:31,410
I thought about
it for about 2.5 seconds.

1189
01:00:31,584 --> 01:00:33,020
You know, I thought,
"Well, I'm gonna meet Ringo.

1190
01:00:33,194 --> 01:00:34,674
So, okay, I'll do it," you know?

1191
01:00:34,848 --> 01:00:36,197
Oddly enough, I'd been offered

1192
01:00:36,371 --> 01:00:39,636
a-- a theatrical role
on Broadway.

1193
01:00:40,767 --> 01:00:44,292
I'd never done that before,
but when I weighed

1194
01:00:44,466 --> 01:00:50,211
the two things I thought I
owed it to me to go and play

1195
01:00:50,385 --> 01:00:52,083
with a Beatle, you know.

1196
01:00:52,257 --> 01:00:54,520
It came to me
in a dream on a flaming pie.

1197
01:00:54,694 --> 01:00:57,349
- [John] Waite with an E.
- John Waite.

1198
01:00:57,523 --> 01:00:59,481
I thought
it was saying, "Wait for John,"

1199
01:00:59,656 --> 01:01:02,136
but it was saying John Waite.

1200
01:01:02,310 --> 01:01:05,139
[John] So, you know,
it was that or Ringo and I-- I,

1201
01:01:05,313 --> 01:01:07,751
uh, I chose Ringo, you know.

1202
01:01:07,925 --> 01:01:09,491
Let's keep it
loud tonight, Ringo,

1203
01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:11,102
'cause of what the sign says.

1204
01:01:11,276 --> 01:01:12,538
When we're playing together,
there's moment's

1205
01:01:12,712 --> 01:01:14,409
where it gets sort
of psychedelic.

1206
01:01:14,583 --> 01:01:16,150
You know, you look across
the stage and there he is,

1207
01:01:16,324 --> 01:01:17,586
you know,
the man behind the kit.

1208
01:01:17,761 --> 01:01:20,067
[crowd cheers]

1209
01:01:20,241 --> 01:01:21,895
You have to sort
of get used to that

1210
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:24,202
kind of otherworldly
aspect to being in the same

1211
01:01:24,376 --> 01:01:27,858
room with somebody that
you really wanted to play

1212
01:01:28,032 --> 01:01:30,164
with and i- and idolized
when you were a kid.

1213
01:01:33,385 --> 01:01:35,822
That isn't something you
just stumble across, you know?

1214
01:01:38,999 --> 01:01:41,306
<i>♪ Sometimes I
wanna give up ♪</i>

1215
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,003
<i>♪ Wanna give in ♪</i>

1216
01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:49,531
<i>♪ After everything is said
and done, baby ♪</i>

1217
01:01:49,706 --> 01:01:52,665
<i>♪ You're my reason
for living ♪</i>

1218
01:01:54,101 --> 01:01:56,669
<i>♪ Yeah ♪</i>

1219
01:01:56,843 --> 01:01:58,802
<i>♪ Now listen to me ♪</i>

1220
01:01:58,976 --> 01:02:03,458
<i>♪ When I see you smile ♪</i>

1221
01:02:04,895 --> 01:02:07,288
<i>♪ I can face the world ♪</i>

1222
01:02:07,462 --> 01:02:12,729
<i>♪ Oh, yeah, I can do anything ♪</i>

1223
01:02:15,644 --> 01:02:18,647
<i>♪ When I see you smile, baby ♪</i>

1224
01:02:18,822 --> 01:02:23,870
<i>♪ Baby, when I see
you smile at me ♪</i>

1225
01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:32,183
<i>♪ Every day of my life ♪</i>

1226
01:02:35,142 --> 01:02:36,883
<i>♪ Yeah, baby ♪</i>

1227
01:02:37,057 --> 01:02:42,497
<i>♪ Smile at me ♪</i>

1228
01:02:42,671 --> 01:02:46,501
[crowd cheers]

1229
01:02:49,069 --> 01:02:51,289
[John] It's not
for the faint of heart.

1230
01:02:51,463 --> 01:02:53,857
You have to really be
on your toes and deliver

1231
01:02:54,031 --> 01:02:55,815
something that's gonna
make it all work.

1232
01:02:56,816 --> 01:03:00,951
And on top of that,
you have to play with Ringo

1233
01:03:01,125 --> 01:03:04,171
and, uh, you know,
he played with Paul McCarthy.

1234
01:03:05,738 --> 01:03:09,786
We needed a really incredible
big ballad singer

1235
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,788
who played bass--

1236
01:03:11,962 --> 01:03:14,051
- My best mate.
- and who could be better?

1237
01:03:14,225 --> 01:03:15,966
Lots of people.

1238
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:17,837
[laughter]

1239
01:03:18,011 --> 01:03:19,883
Well, I've gone back to playing
bass to do this.

1240
01:03:20,057 --> 01:03:22,146
I only play bass
on me own records now.

1241
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,191
There was a point I was
actually sleeping

1242
01:03:24,365 --> 01:03:26,106
with a bass guitar in my bed.

1243
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,282
You know, I'd wake up at
3:00 in the morning and go like,

1244
01:03:28,456 --> 01:03:30,763
you know,
"Is that a C sharp or a C?"

1245
01:03:30,937 --> 01:03:33,897
I'd come out of a deep sleep,
reach for the bass and look--

1246
01:03:34,071 --> 01:03:36,638
you know, play the note like,
"Ah, it's a C."

1247
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:38,684
And I'd go back to sleep again.

1248
01:03:38,858 --> 01:03:40,642
[crowd cheers]

1249
01:03:40,817 --> 01:03:42,514
The opening night,

1250
01:03:42,688 --> 01:03:45,256
instead of us getting
a few gigs under our belts,

1251
01:03:45,430 --> 01:03:48,781
uh, we're filming it, you know.

1252
01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:51,653
[announcer] Ringo Starr
His All-Starr band.

1253
01:03:51,828 --> 01:03:53,220
Did I say I
wasn't nervous before?

1254
01:03:53,394 --> 01:03:54,482
[cameraman] You did.

1255
01:03:54,656 --> 01:03:55,657
I did actually say that, yeah.

1256
01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:56,702
[cameraman] Yeah. A touch?

1257
01:03:56,876 --> 01:03:58,225
Just a tad, you know.

1258
01:03:58,399 --> 01:03:59,618
[Ringo] Yeah, no, no.
We're fine.

1259
01:03:59,792 --> 01:04:01,620
[John] It was that scary

1260
01:04:01,794 --> 01:04:04,362
filming it on the opening night,
you know.

1261
01:04:04,536 --> 01:04:06,277
I mean, nobody does that.

1262
01:04:07,844 --> 01:04:10,629
Case in point,
we were doing "How Long,"

1263
01:04:10,803 --> 01:04:13,284
Paul Carrick's beautiful song.

1264
01:04:13,458 --> 01:04:16,156
And I started it
off in the wrong key.

1265
01:04:16,330 --> 01:04:21,640
[pensive music playing]

1266
01:04:21,814 --> 01:04:23,294
[producer] Did Ringo
give you shit for that?

1267
01:04:23,468 --> 01:04:26,471
Yeah.
Yeah. He really did.

1268
01:04:26,645 --> 01:04:29,213
- [producer] Tough gig.
- Yeah, it really was.

1269
01:04:29,387 --> 01:04:30,605
[man] Would you do it again?

1270
01:04:30,779 --> 01:04:33,695
No, I really wouldn't.

1271
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:36,524
You know, I don't work
for anybody, really.

1272
01:04:36,698 --> 01:04:39,049
I did it the one time
because it was him.

1273
01:04:39,223 --> 01:04:43,183
And, uh, let me just say,
as far as drummers go,

1274
01:04:43,357 --> 01:04:47,579
I mean, there is nobody that
comes within screaming distance.

1275
01:04:48,885 --> 01:04:52,627
It's almost like a singer,
being a percussionist.

1276
01:04:54,586 --> 01:04:55,935
It's that good.

1277
01:04:58,198 --> 01:05:00,809
It's hard to imagine
any human being

1278
01:05:00,984 --> 01:05:02,420
keeping up with the other three.

1279
01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:07,077
[producer] You ever meet
John or Paul or George?

1280
01:05:07,251 --> 01:05:09,035
[John] No.
No, I didn't.

1281
01:05:09,818 --> 01:05:12,517
I did walk past Paul in
New York and he looked at me.

1282
01:05:12,691 --> 01:05:14,911
I was playing Radio City
that night and he raised

1283
01:05:15,085 --> 01:05:17,565
his eyebrow like,
you know, "How's it going?"

1284
01:05:17,739 --> 01:05:19,263
And I just kept walking.

1285
01:05:19,437 --> 01:05:21,178
[laughs]

1286
01:05:21,352 --> 01:05:23,615
I couldn't deal with two
Beatles in one day, you know?

1287
01:05:23,789 --> 01:05:26,052
But he-- he looked like he
was gonna stop and talk to me.

1288
01:05:26,226 --> 01:05:28,272
But I just, you know,
"Hey, how are you doing?"

1289
01:05:28,446 --> 01:05:33,103
But, um, you know, I hope I,
uh-- I hope I delivered.

1290
01:05:48,466 --> 01:05:50,511
<i>♪ Sometimes I wonder ♪</i>

1291
01:05:50,685 --> 01:05:53,166
<i>♪ How I'd ever make it through ♪</i>

1292
01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:56,648
<i>♪ Through this world
without having you ♪</i>

1293
01:05:56,822 --> 01:05:59,999
<i>♪ I just wouldn't
have a clue ♪</i>

1294
01:06:02,741 --> 01:06:04,525
<i>♪ 'Cause sometimes... ♪</i>

1295
01:06:04,699 --> 01:06:07,572
[John] I've recorded seven
albums as a member of a band

1296
01:06:09,356 --> 01:06:11,489
and I think I must
have made about 13,

1297
01:06:11,663 --> 01:06:13,795
maybe even 14 solo records.

1298
01:06:13,970 --> 01:06:15,797
I've lost count.

1299
01:06:19,236 --> 01:06:21,368
I now own the music
that I record

1300
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,112
and I bought back many
of the original masters

1301
01:06:26,286 --> 01:06:27,896
from the record companies.

1302
01:06:28,071 --> 01:06:31,248
<i>♪ She's nobody's girl ♪</i>

1303
01:06:31,422 --> 01:06:34,294
And because of that,
I've been touring

1304
01:06:34,468 --> 01:06:37,515
around the world and making
and releasing records

1305
01:06:37,689 --> 01:06:42,563
outside of the music business
for almost 30 years.

1306
01:06:45,740 --> 01:06:48,830
This is all I know.

1307
01:06:55,446 --> 01:06:57,230
You know, nobody knew
what they were doing,

1308
01:06:57,404 --> 01:06:59,276
that were musicians back then.

1309
01:06:59,754 --> 01:07:04,672
The lawyers weren't, um...
It's just very difficult.

1310
01:07:04,846 --> 01:07:08,285
It seems to be there's-- there's
more understanding of the artist

1311
01:07:08,459 --> 01:07:10,809
now and, uh...

1312
01:07:13,551 --> 01:07:14,856
What can you say?

1313
01:07:17,903 --> 01:07:20,036
They're all
fucking bastards, really.

1314
01:07:25,693 --> 01:07:28,827
<i>♪ I wait for sundown
on the fire escape ♪</i>

1315
01:07:29,001 --> 01:07:30,698
[crowd cheers]

1316
01:07:30,872 --> 01:07:34,485
<i>♪ And watch the passing
cars downstairs ♪</i>

1317
01:07:36,487 --> 01:07:41,492
<i>♪ I'm high above
Korean groceries ♪</i>

1318
01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:45,452
<i>♪ A sublet castle
in the air ♪</i>

1319
01:07:48,586 --> 01:07:52,068
<i>♪ It's down to cigarettes
and rosaries ♪</i>

1320
01:07:54,461 --> 01:07:57,856
<i>♪ But Christ, I wish
someone would call me ♪</i>

1321
01:07:59,988 --> 01:08:04,776
<i>♪ Johnny Thunders
on the stereo ♪</i>

1322
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:07,344
<i>♪ I thought,
"You can't put your arms ♪</i>

1323
01:08:07,518 --> 01:08:11,652
<i>♪ Around a memory" ♪</i>

1324
01:08:11,826 --> 01:08:16,048
<i>♪ Maybe I could
find a better way ♪</i>

1325
01:08:16,222 --> 01:08:22,141
<i>♪ But all I need now
is to feel connected ♪</i>

1326
01:08:22,315 --> 01:08:26,493
<i>♪ So, do you remember me ♪</i>

1327
01:08:28,930 --> 01:08:32,630
<i>♪ I sang that song you like ♪</i>

1328
01:08:34,458 --> 01:08:37,374
<i>♪ Way back in '83 ♪</i>

1329
01:08:38,897 --> 01:08:45,382
<i>♪ Number one high as a kite ♪</i>

1330
01:08:47,688 --> 01:08:53,259
<i>♪ As I make my way downtown,
yeah ♪</i>

1331
01:08:53,433 --> 01:08:57,698
<i>♪ I'm going way
downtown tonight ♪</i>

1332
01:08:57,872 --> 01:09:00,048
<i>♪ I'm going way downtown ♪</i>

1333
01:09:04,227 --> 01:09:07,795
I was making an album
of Greatest Hits in Nashville.

1334
01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:11,016
I did a lot of the songs
and I'd put some of the songs

1335
01:09:11,190 --> 01:09:13,018
from the other albums
from the masters.

1336
01:09:13,192 --> 01:09:15,803
But it got to "Missing You"
which was gonna have to be on

1337
01:09:15,977 --> 01:09:20,156
the album to attract attention
so I could go on the road again.

1338
01:09:20,330 --> 01:09:21,940
And I got to "Missing You"
and couldn't think

1339
01:09:22,114 --> 01:09:23,463
of anything at all to do.

1340
01:09:23,637 --> 01:09:25,248
And I thought,
why not do a duet?

1341
01:09:25,422 --> 01:09:26,553
<i>♪ Oh, carry me back ♪</i>

1342
01:09:26,727 --> 01:09:27,989
<i>♪ Oh, carry me back ♪</i>

1343
01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:29,252
<i>♪ To the lone prairie ♪</i>

1344
01:09:29,426 --> 01:09:31,254
<i>♪ To the lone prairie ♪</i>

1345
01:09:31,428 --> 01:09:33,430
[John] But I thought, who would
I really love to sing with?

1346
01:09:34,866 --> 01:09:38,217
And I had been spending
a lot of time watching

1347
01:09:38,391 --> 01:09:42,090
the American Music Channel,
which was all country music.

1348
01:09:43,918 --> 01:09:45,964
"New Favorite"
had just come out.

1349
01:09:46,138 --> 01:09:49,272
And Alison
was in heavy rotation.

1350
01:09:49,446 --> 01:09:51,926
I think it was the first
time I actually heard her sing.

1351
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:54,364
And it was really engaging.

1352
01:09:54,538 --> 01:09:56,844
<i>♪ Favorite ♪</i>

1353
01:09:57,018 --> 01:09:58,759
[John] She was the queen of it.

1354
01:09:58,933 --> 01:10:01,806
I would wait for her
videos to come around, you know.

1355
01:10:03,373 --> 01:10:08,639
And I was buying some-- some LPs
in a secondhand music store.

1356
01:10:08,813 --> 01:10:10,641
And I walked out on the street

1357
01:10:10,815 --> 01:10:13,992
and she drove past
and she stopped.

1358
01:10:15,211 --> 01:10:19,127
She leaned out the window and
said, "Hey, how are you doing?"

1359
01:10:19,302 --> 01:10:22,435
You know, hamming it up,
and, um, I was just like,

1360
01:10:22,609 --> 01:10:24,045
"Whoa. It's Alison Krauss"

1361
01:10:24,220 --> 01:10:26,439
And we talked,
uh, on the street.

1362
01:10:27,614 --> 01:10:28,702
It was really great, you know.

1363
01:10:28,876 --> 01:10:30,356
If you're gonna meet somebody,

1364
01:10:30,530 --> 01:10:31,923
it's great to meet them like
that, you know?

1365
01:10:32,097 --> 01:10:33,098
'Cause I was like,
"How do I do this?"

1366
01:10:33,272 --> 01:10:34,708
You know?

1367
01:10:34,882 --> 01:10:37,363
But she was really lovely,
open, friendly,

1368
01:10:37,537 --> 01:10:39,191
serious about the song.

1369
01:10:39,974 --> 01:10:43,282
We cut the song and I
went home and listened to it

1370
01:10:44,065 --> 01:10:45,806
and there was
something wrong with it.

1371
01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:50,158
And I think it was me,
'cause it's a duet, you know.

1372
01:10:50,333 --> 01:10:53,118
You have to answer somebody's
performance for it to work.

1373
01:10:53,901 --> 01:10:56,556
Whereas before, I think
I'd done it like a performance.

1374
01:10:57,905 --> 01:10:59,385
So, I sang it differently.

1375
01:11:00,168 --> 01:11:03,650
I sang it completely
differently for Alison.

1376
01:11:03,824 --> 01:11:06,958
And then she sang her
part and it was like,

1377
01:11:07,132 --> 01:11:10,222
there it was, you know,
it was fantastic.

1378
01:11:10,396 --> 01:11:13,094
<i>♪ But I ain't
missing you at all ♪</i>

1379
01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:17,882
And we wound up on the
Jay Leno Show doing the duet

1380
01:11:19,405 --> 01:11:20,667
of "Missing You."

1381
01:11:20,841 --> 01:11:22,669
<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

1382
01:11:22,843 --> 01:11:25,933
I just remember trying not to
talk too much.

1383
01:11:26,891 --> 01:11:29,676
I was, like, nervous, you know?

1384
01:11:29,850 --> 01:11:33,767
'Cause she's, uh,
an incredibly intense artist.

1385
01:11:34,942 --> 01:11:37,771
She's really the--
the real thing, you know?

1386
01:11:37,945 --> 01:11:40,252
And you start to wonder
if you could measure up.

1387
01:11:40,426 --> 01:11:42,559
It's Ringo territory, you know.

1388
01:11:42,733 --> 01:11:44,648
Who could be better?

1389
01:11:44,822 --> 01:11:46,084
Lots of people.

1390
01:11:46,258 --> 01:11:48,304
[laughter]

1391
01:11:53,483 --> 01:11:55,920
[John] And when I was singing
"Missing You" in the studio,

1392
01:11:56,703 --> 01:11:59,358
she hit the talkback and said,
"This is really great."

1393
01:12:01,795 --> 01:12:06,844
And I smiled, you know,
'cause that was praise

1394
01:12:07,018 --> 01:12:08,715
from somebody that I--

1395
01:12:25,210 --> 01:12:26,124
[producer] Take a minute?

1396
01:12:26,298 --> 01:12:27,604
Yeah.

1397
01:12:30,998 --> 01:12:32,696
[producer] It's all right.

1398
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:34,872
[somber music playing]

1399
01:12:38,223 --> 01:12:39,877
[John] It's the weirdest
feeling to sing lyrics

1400
01:12:40,051 --> 01:12:42,923
that you wrote when you were
a young man, you know.

1401
01:12:43,097 --> 01:12:46,144
When you were pretty much
uncomplicated and happy.

1402
01:12:46,318 --> 01:12:48,581
[audience laughs]

1403
01:12:48,755 --> 01:12:51,105
Before divorce and all that
stuff kicks in.

1404
01:12:51,976 --> 01:12:53,238
You think the world's great.

1405
01:12:54,979 --> 01:12:56,110
It is great.

1406
01:12:57,503 --> 01:12:59,113
[strums guitar]

1407
01:12:59,287 --> 01:13:01,115
There is irony in that.

1408
01:13:02,465 --> 01:13:08,384
Okay. Uh, wish me luck.
Okay, two, three.

1409
01:13:20,874 --> 01:13:25,792
<i>♪ You, you
said you'd come around ♪</i>

1410
01:13:26,967 --> 01:13:29,796
[John] I think I've-- I've
had a lot of trouble because

1411
01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:31,668
I'm not interacting
with people.

1412
01:13:31,842 --> 01:13:33,409
You know,
you go and play a concert

1413
01:13:33,583 --> 01:13:35,106
and it's extremely intimate.

1414
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,369
<i>♪ You're the one
I want to see ♪</i>

1415
01:13:37,543 --> 01:13:40,154
There's a real exchange
with the audience.

1416
01:13:40,328 --> 01:13:44,420
And to not have that,
to not have that window

1417
01:13:44,594 --> 01:13:48,162
to people is so weird
because art,

1418
01:13:48,336 --> 01:13:50,904
you know,
it's a two-way street.

1419
01:13:51,078 --> 01:13:53,080
You don't make art
to lock in a vault,

1420
01:13:53,254 --> 01:13:56,127
and you certainly don't make
music to keep it to yourself.

1421
01:13:56,301 --> 01:13:58,085
It's-- you're trying
to put something out

1422
01:13:58,259 --> 01:14:00,566
and exchange something
with people.

1423
01:14:00,740 --> 01:14:02,350
But, you know,
with the pandemic,

1424
01:14:02,525 --> 01:14:04,091
you can't go out and play.

1425
01:14:04,265 --> 01:14:06,442
I haven't
seen my band for a year.

1426
01:14:06,616 --> 01:14:08,182
It's weird.

1427
01:14:09,401 --> 01:14:10,924
And it's not just weird for me.

1428
01:14:11,098 --> 01:14:12,491
It's-- everybody's had
their life change

1429
01:14:12,665 --> 01:14:14,885
completely because of it.

1430
01:14:16,234 --> 01:14:18,410
It'll be hard when we
actually get back out there,

1431
01:14:18,584 --> 01:14:22,675
but, um, you know, it's okay.

1432
01:14:26,766 --> 01:14:30,857
<i>♪ Falling in love again ♪</i>

1433
01:14:32,206 --> 01:14:35,383
[crowd cheers]

1434
01:14:38,212 --> 01:14:39,823
[producer]
Everybody learns the hard way.

1435
01:14:39,997 --> 01:14:42,695
Is that a good metaphor
for your career?

1436
01:14:44,001 --> 01:14:46,133
Well, my career is,
you know-- it's-- it's--

1437
01:14:46,307 --> 01:14:48,396
look, I'm not trying
to shoot the arrow

1438
01:14:48,571 --> 01:14:51,182
and then paint,
uh, a bullseye around it.

1439
01:14:51,356 --> 01:14:53,314
I know that
it's gone up and down.

1440
01:14:53,489 --> 01:14:55,534
And some of it was unavoidable.

1441
01:14:55,708 --> 01:14:57,493
I mean, the record companies
going out of business,

1442
01:14:57,667 --> 01:14:59,364
on maybe three records

1443
01:14:59,538 --> 01:15:01,845
when it was a very important
time to have success.

1444
01:15:02,019 --> 01:15:04,151
I'm not trying to paint
over that.

1445
01:15:04,325 --> 01:15:06,589
You know, those albums failed.

1446
01:15:06,763 --> 01:15:09,330
You know, somehow they
were really great records,

1447
01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:11,811
especially in my mind,
<i>Temple Bar,</i>

1448
01:15:13,073 --> 01:15:14,553
and you have to roll with it.

1449
01:15:15,946 --> 01:15:17,600
But I thought
about this before,

1450
01:15:17,774 --> 01:15:19,515
everybody's got an excuse
for why

1451
01:15:19,689 --> 01:15:21,952
their record doesn't chart
or any of that shit, right?

1452
01:15:22,126 --> 01:15:25,085
And, uh, in my case,
it would be, yeah,

1453
01:15:25,259 --> 01:15:27,697
the record company went down,
but I made the record

1454
01:15:27,871 --> 01:15:29,481
and it's out on the internet

1455
01:15:29,655 --> 01:15:31,701
and I bought <i>Temple Bar</i> back

1456
01:15:31,875 --> 01:15:34,355
and it sells,
like, a huge amount.

1457
01:15:34,530 --> 01:15:36,444
And I've got
<i>When You Were Mine</i> back

1458
01:15:36,619 --> 01:15:39,012
and that sells out
in reprint copies.

1459
01:15:39,186 --> 01:15:42,407
<i>Figure in a Landscape,</i>
you know, I own 'em.

1460
01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:44,540
But at the time,
it was rough to watch it.

1461
01:15:44,714 --> 01:15:48,065
It was really-- and I
could have really done with,

1462
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,197
uh, somebody at
the wheel that actually knew

1463
01:15:50,371 --> 01:15:52,025
what they were doing.

1464
01:15:52,199 --> 01:15:55,638
It's just ironic that it,
uh, it met with, uh--

1465
01:15:55,812 --> 01:15:57,770
but I kind of enjoyed it.

1466
01:15:57,944 --> 01:16:00,686
I-- I felt like the hero
in some sort of Russian novel.

1467
01:16:00,860 --> 01:16:03,820
It was like,
"I bet somebody fucks this up."

1468
01:16:03,994 --> 01:16:05,778
And you get the--
and then the phone rings,

1469
01:16:05,952 --> 01:16:08,085
you know,
and then the phone rings.

1470
01:16:08,259 --> 01:16:10,566
And you kinda--
you develop a kind of, uh,

1471
01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:14,657
laconic kind of, you know--
you just like--

1472
01:16:14,831 --> 01:16:16,659
a couple of words will sum
it up, like, you know,

1473
01:16:16,833 --> 01:16:18,095
<i>c'est la vie.</i>

1474
01:16:18,269 --> 01:16:20,358
But, uh,
I have no regrets, really.

1475
01:16:20,532 --> 01:16:22,708
I think it
even powered me forward.

1476
01:16:22,882 --> 01:16:25,102
I became more
of an artist because I was

1477
01:16:25,276 --> 01:16:28,105
up against something
that was insurmountable.

1478
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:29,889
I didn't just give up and say,
"Fuck it.

1479
01:16:30,063 --> 01:16:31,978
I'm gonna go be a-- a painter."

1480
01:16:32,152 --> 01:16:34,241
I just went right back
in the-- in the studio

1481
01:16:34,415 --> 01:16:35,634
and played with my band.

1482
01:16:35,808 --> 01:16:37,680
And I just-- that's what I do.

1483
01:16:37,854 --> 01:16:40,683
And it brought that home to
me that no matter what you do,

1484
01:16:40,857 --> 01:16:42,815
at the end of the day,
it's about the work.

1485
01:16:42,989 --> 01:16:44,643
It's not about
being number one.

1486
01:16:44,817 --> 01:16:47,298
It's not about being, uh,
surrounded by success

1487
01:16:47,472 --> 01:16:49,169
and dollar bills
and a trophy wife

1488
01:16:49,343 --> 01:16:51,607
and a big fucking
mansion somewhere

1489
01:16:51,781 --> 01:16:53,391
playing golf on Sunday

1490
01:16:53,565 --> 01:16:54,871
with some fucking guy
you can't stand.

1491
01:16:55,045 --> 01:16:56,829
It's about making art.

1492
01:16:57,003 --> 01:16:59,266
Art is the--
the reason we breathe.

1493
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:02,052
It's-- it's our harmony
with God.

1494
01:17:02,226 --> 01:17:04,358
If there's God out there,
this--

1495
01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:07,535
we're singing the harmony
with-- when we make art.

1496
01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:09,189
And so in
answer to your question,

1497
01:17:09,363 --> 01:17:11,235
it never affected me, really.

1498
01:17:12,497 --> 01:17:14,586
If you believe that,
I have a used car outside.

1499
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,806
[laughs]

1500
01:17:21,288 --> 01:17:23,073
[man] <i>You ready, John?</i>

1501
01:17:25,292 --> 01:17:26,685
<i>Playback coming at you.</i>

1502
01:17:30,384 --> 01:17:33,344
<i>♪ You're everything I want ♪</i>

1503
01:17:33,518 --> 01:17:36,608
<i>♪ You're everything
that I need ♪</i>

1504
01:17:36,782 --> 01:17:41,178
<i>♪ And I'd do anything
to get to you ♪</i>

1505
01:17:45,835 --> 01:17:48,141
I'm flubbing some lines,
but I guess if you do it--

1506
01:17:48,315 --> 01:17:50,013
[man] Yeah.
That was pretty cool, man.

1507
01:17:50,187 --> 01:17:51,971
[man 2]
Yeah, it looks really good.

1508
01:17:52,145 --> 01:17:53,799
- Really?
- [man 2] Yeah.

1509
01:17:56,715 --> 01:17:58,978
[John] I sort of went
with the lockdown thing

1510
01:17:59,152 --> 01:18:00,893
as long as I could.

1511
01:18:01,067 --> 01:18:03,156
I had to
go back to work somehow.

1512
01:18:03,330 --> 01:18:06,290
- [Joni] You have your mask?
- [John] Yeah.

1513
01:18:08,031 --> 01:18:11,034
So, I-- I went in the studio
and cut some acoustic songs.

1514
01:18:11,208 --> 01:18:13,689
[man] All right,
we're going again. Get ready.

1515
01:18:16,648 --> 01:18:22,132
[Joni] Everybody has the way
that they're affected by this.

1516
01:18:23,089 --> 01:18:26,310
He's very British and he keeps
his feelings inside,

1517
01:18:27,311 --> 01:18:32,142
but underneath that
is a very soft,

1518
01:18:33,230 --> 01:18:35,188
sensitive, redheaded kid.

1519
01:18:35,362 --> 01:18:37,625
[pensive music playing]

1520
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:39,410
I've fucked up a lot
of it, but--

1521
01:18:39,584 --> 01:18:41,238
- [man] No, it's okay.
- Yeah?

1522
01:18:41,412 --> 01:18:43,370
Well, maybe you get a,
you know-- I mean, whatever.

1523
01:18:43,544 --> 01:18:45,546
If you wanna use it,
it's a little--

1524
01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:47,635
I-- I became unprepared.

1525
01:18:47,810 --> 01:18:49,507
I haven't sung the song ever.

1526
01:18:49,681 --> 01:18:51,248
Apart from the studio.

1527
01:18:51,422 --> 01:18:53,903
Fuck it.
You had the best of me.

1528
01:18:58,908 --> 01:18:59,996
[automated voice] <i>Wait.</i>

1529
01:19:04,348 --> 01:19:05,523
<i>Wait.</i>

1530
01:19:09,396 --> 01:19:10,963
[John]
I'm losing the will.

1531
01:19:11,137 --> 01:19:12,530
You know, I am...

1532
01:19:14,227 --> 01:19:16,403
I think, spiritually bankrupt
at this point.

1533
01:19:20,103 --> 01:19:22,322
I just really am at
that point in my life.

1534
01:19:22,496 --> 01:19:26,196
[melancholy music playing]

1535
01:19:57,923 --> 01:20:00,883
[crowd cheering]

1536
01:20:01,057 --> 01:20:03,102
[Richard] Please give it up,
Mr. John Waite--

1537
01:20:03,276 --> 01:20:09,108
[crowd cheers, screams]

1538
01:20:15,898 --> 01:20:18,030
[tauntingly]
John's got a cheat sheet.

1539
01:20:18,204 --> 01:20:19,684
[crowd laughs]

1540
01:20:19,858 --> 01:20:22,208
It's for "Jumping Jack Flash,"
actually.

1541
01:20:23,862 --> 01:20:26,169
So, we were, uh-- we've done
a couple shows together,

1542
01:20:26,343 --> 01:20:27,779
but we haven't seen each
other in couple of years.

1543
01:20:27,953 --> 01:20:29,259
It's been a while.

1544
01:20:29,433 --> 01:20:30,390
Why don't you age, motherfucker?

1545
01:20:30,564 --> 01:20:31,914
Look at you, man.

1546
01:20:32,088 --> 01:20:34,090
I was-- I was comparing
myself to you

1547
01:20:34,264 --> 01:20:36,919
and I'm watching you I thought,
"What-- how's-- what the--"

1548
01:20:37,093 --> 01:20:38,746
You know, I mean,
how did you do that?

1549
01:20:38,921 --> 01:20:40,444
I married Daisy Fuentes.

1550
01:20:40,618 --> 01:20:43,360
Yeah. Yeah, it shows.

1551
01:20:43,534 --> 01:20:46,493
- And it helps. Helps a lot.
- It helps, yeah. Yeah.

1552
01:20:46,667 --> 01:20:49,235
So, John and I got together
today just for-- for a minute,

1553
01:20:49,409 --> 01:20:51,194
and we're like,
"Let's do a song together."

1554
01:20:51,368 --> 01:20:53,718
[crowd cheers]

1555
01:20:53,892 --> 01:20:56,721
And everybody on Earth
loves this song

1556
01:20:56,895 --> 01:20:58,592
and we're gonna butcher
the shit out of it right now.

1557
01:20:58,766 --> 01:21:01,769
[crowd laughs]

1558
01:21:05,599 --> 01:21:06,600
[John] What do I miss the most?

1559
01:21:06,774 --> 01:21:07,819
[producer] Yeah.

1560
01:21:07,993 --> 01:21:09,473
Just being able to get out

1561
01:21:09,647 --> 01:21:11,779
and meet people and interact.

1562
01:21:11,954 --> 01:21:13,477
I think that's
really what happens.

1563
01:21:13,651 --> 01:21:14,870
You stop talking to people.

1564
01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:17,176
Difficult, you know.

1565
01:21:18,786 --> 01:21:20,876
["Missing You" cover]

1566
01:21:21,050 --> 01:21:22,878
<i>♪ Every time I think of you ♪</i>

1567
01:21:24,227 --> 01:21:27,012
<i>♪ I always catch my breath ♪</i>

1568
01:21:29,362 --> 01:21:31,234
<i>♪ And I'm
still standing here ♪</i>

1569
01:21:31,408 --> 01:21:34,063
<i>♪ And you're miles away ♪</i>

1570
01:21:34,237 --> 01:21:37,893
<i>♪ And I'm wondering
why you left ♪</i>

1571
01:21:38,067 --> 01:21:42,375
<i>♪ And there's
a storm that's raging ♪</i>

1572
01:21:42,549 --> 01:21:46,075
<i>♪ Through my
frozen heart tonight ♪</i>

1573
01:21:46,249 --> 01:21:49,730
You've been a great, great
crowd and a great, great time!

1574
01:21:49,905 --> 01:21:53,604
[crowd cheers]

1575
01:22:15,974 --> 01:22:18,498
This next song took
about ten minutes to write

1576
01:22:19,935 --> 01:22:22,720
and changed my life
beyond all whole recognition.

1577
01:22:22,894 --> 01:22:24,417
["Missing You" by John Waite]

1578
01:22:24,591 --> 01:22:26,593
<i>♪ Every time
I think of you ♪</i>

1579
01:22:28,856 --> 01:22:32,382
<i>♪ I always catch my breath ♪</i>

1580
01:22:32,556 --> 01:22:35,341
<i>♪ And I'm still
standing here ♪</i>

1581
01:22:35,515 --> 01:22:37,561
<i>♪ And you're miles away ♪</i>

1582
01:22:37,735 --> 01:22:41,695
<i>♪ And I'm
wondering why you left ♪</i>

1583
01:22:41,869 --> 01:22:44,960
<i>♪ And it's my heart
that's breaking ♪</i>

1584
01:22:46,831 --> 01:22:50,269
<i>♪ Down this long distance line ♪</i>

1585
01:22:50,443 --> 01:22:52,576
<i>♪ I ain't
missing you at all ♪</i>

1586
01:22:54,970 --> 01:22:59,409
<i>♪ Since you've
been gone away ♪</i>

1587
01:22:59,583 --> 01:23:01,237
<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

1588
01:23:04,457 --> 01:23:10,072
<i>♪ No matter what
my friends say ♪</i>

1589
01:23:10,246 --> 01:23:14,641
<i>♪ There's a message
in the wire ♪</i>

1590
01:23:14,815 --> 01:23:18,906
<i>♪ And I'm sending you
this signal tonight ♪</i>

1591
01:23:19,081 --> 01:23:23,955
<i>♪ You don't know how
desperate I've become ♪</i>

1592
01:23:24,129 --> 01:23:28,046
<i>♪ And it looks like
I'm losing this fight ♪</i>

1593
01:23:28,220 --> 01:23:33,051
<i>♪ And it's my heart that's
breaking, yeah ♪</i>

1594
01:23:33,225 --> 01:23:36,315
<i>♪ Down this long distance
line tonight ♪</i>

1595
01:23:36,489 --> 01:23:39,014
<i>♪ I ain't
missing you at all ♪</i>

1596
01:23:41,059 --> 01:23:45,498
<i>♪ Since you've
been gone away ♪</i>

1597
01:23:45,672 --> 01:23:47,544
<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

1598
01:23:50,416 --> 01:23:56,509
<i>♪ No matter what
my heart says ♪</i>

1599
01:23:56,683 --> 01:24:00,296
<i>♪ And there's a message that
I'm sending out ♪</i>

1600
01:24:00,470 --> 01:24:06,084
<i>♪ Like a telegraph
to your soul ♪</i>

1601
01:24:06,258 --> 01:24:09,348
<i>♪ And if I can't bridge
this distance ♪</i>

1602
01:24:09,522 --> 01:24:12,395
<i>♪ Stop this
heartbreak overload ♪</i>

1603
01:24:12,569 --> 01:24:15,224
<i>♪ I ain't missing you
at all ♪</i>

1604
01:24:18,227 --> 01:24:22,013
[crowd] <i>♪ Since you've
been gone away ♪</i>

1605
01:24:22,187 --> 01:24:24,363
<i>♪ I ain't missing you
at all ♪</i>

1606
01:24:25,234 --> 01:24:28,237
I love you people.
I truly do. I love you.

1607
01:24:28,411 --> 01:24:33,633
<i>♪ No matter what my
heart might say ♪</i>

1608
01:24:36,636 --> 01:24:41,467
<i>♪ No matter, baby,
[missing you], anyway ♪</i>

1609
01:24:41,641 --> 01:24:43,600
<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

1610
01:24:45,689 --> 01:24:48,300
<i>♪ I can lie to myself
these days ♪</i>

1611
01:24:49,954 --> 01:24:53,131
<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

1612
01:24:53,305 --> 01:24:55,655
<i>♪ I'll get by, baby ♪</i>

1613
01:24:55,829 --> 01:24:59,006
<i>♪ I can lie
to myself these days ♪</i>

1614
01:24:59,181 --> 01:25:01,835
<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

1615
01:25:02,009 --> 01:25:03,402
<i>♪ No way ♪</i>

1616
01:25:03,576 --> 01:25:04,882
<i>♪ Yeah ♪</i>

1617
01:25:05,056 --> 01:25:07,493
<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

1618
01:25:07,667 --> 01:25:11,106
<i>♪ I ain't missing you ♪</i>

1619
01:25:11,932 --> 01:25:16,894
[crowd cheers]

1620
01:25:18,852 --> 01:25:20,245
I'm John Waite.

1621
01:25:22,117 --> 01:25:25,555
And the decisions I made,
I-- I think were honest

1622
01:25:25,729 --> 01:25:29,124
and I think I've tried
to do in--

1623
01:25:29,298 --> 01:25:32,953
in this crazy mixed up world
of the music business,

1624
01:25:33,128 --> 01:25:34,433
I think I've done it with

1625
01:25:34,607 --> 01:25:35,608
a sense of
integrity and honesty.

1626
01:25:35,782 --> 01:25:37,697
I-- I really do.

1627
01:25:37,871 --> 01:25:40,918
And, uh, if I've been out
of step it's because I thought

1628
01:25:41,092 --> 01:25:44,051
the work was more important
than the business.

1629
01:25:44,226 --> 01:25:45,575
I mean, that's the truth of it.

1630
01:25:47,054 --> 01:25:48,839
[man] In our great city
of Philadelphia,

1631
01:25:49,013 --> 01:25:51,233
please welcome, John Waite!

1632
01:25:51,407 --> 01:25:52,799
[crowd cheers]

1633
01:25:52,973 --> 01:25:54,671
["Change" by John Waite]

1634
01:25:58,544 --> 01:26:01,199
<i>♪ People talking ♪</i>

1635
01:26:01,373 --> 01:26:04,898
<i>♪ And they're saying that
you're leaving, yeah ♪</i>

1636
01:26:05,072 --> 01:26:07,423
<i>♪ So unhappy, baby ♪</i>

1637
01:26:07,597 --> 01:26:11,644
<i>♪ With the way that
you've been living, yeah ♪</i>

1638
01:26:13,907 --> 01:26:15,213
Hey!

1639
01:26:15,387 --> 01:26:16,823
<i>The story
isn't over yet.</i>

1640
01:26:16,997 --> 01:26:20,523
<i>I'll see
you at the next poker game.</i>

1641
01:26:20,697 --> 01:26:22,960
<i>♪ We think we've got
the answers ♪</i>

1642
01:26:23,134 --> 01:26:28,052
<i>♪ Some things ain't ever
gonna change [change] ♪</i>

1643
01:26:28,226 --> 01:26:31,316
<i>♪ It doesn't matter
who you are ♪</i>

1644
01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:34,580
<i>♪ It's all the same [change] ♪</i>

1645
01:26:34,754 --> 01:26:38,149
<i>♪ What's in your heart
will never change ♪</i>

1646
01:26:38,323 --> 01:26:41,587
<i>♪ Look in the mirror ♪</i>

1647
01:26:41,761 --> 01:26:43,807
<i>♪ And you see how
you've been taken ♪</i>

1648
01:26:45,330 --> 01:26:48,420
<i>♪ You're looking
back out ♪</i>

1649
01:26:48,594 --> 01:26:50,596
<i>♪ But now your heart
is breakin' ♪</i>

1650
01:26:51,858 --> 01:26:53,338
<i>♪ Oh oh oh ♪</i>

1651
01:26:53,512 --> 01:26:56,559
<i>♪ We always wish for money ♪</i>

1652
01:26:56,733 --> 01:27:00,040
<i>♪ We always wish for fame ♪</i>

1653
01:27:00,215 --> 01:27:04,219
<i>♪ We think we've got
the answers ♪</i>

1654
01:27:04,393 --> 01:27:07,570
<i>♪ Some things don't
ever change [change] ♪</i>

1655
01:27:08,658 --> 01:27:12,314
["Midnight Rendezvous"
by John Waite]

1656
01:27:24,021 --> 01:27:27,198
<i>♪ Driving faster
than you want me to ♪</i>

1657
01:27:27,372 --> 01:27:30,070
<i>♪ Can't help myself
when I'm alone with you ♪</i>

1658
01:27:30,245 --> 01:27:31,768
<i>♪ All right ♪</i>

1659
01:27:33,639 --> 01:27:34,945
<i>♪ All right ♪</i>

1660
01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:41,995
<i>♪ I've passed the limit
and there's no way back ♪</i>

1661
01:27:42,169 --> 01:27:44,911
<i>♪ Your kind of love
gives me a heart attack ♪</i>

1662
01:27:45,085 --> 01:27:46,522
<i>♪ All right ♪</i>

1663
01:27:48,524 --> 01:27:50,003
<i>♪ All right ♪</i>

1664
01:27:51,657 --> 01:27:53,355
<i>♪ 'Cause, baby,
can't you see ♪</i>

1665
01:27:53,529 --> 01:27:56,836
<i>♪ We need to spend
some time alone ♪</i>

1666
01:27:57,010 --> 01:28:00,405
<i>♪ We need to see
some dreams come true ♪</i>

1667
01:28:00,579 --> 01:28:04,235
<i>♪ I want to
feel me touching you ♪</i>

1668
01:28:04,409 --> 01:28:07,891
<i>♪ We need
a midnight rendezvous ♪</i>

1669
01:28:15,551 --> 01:28:18,945
<i>♪ On the freeway
with the throttle down ♪</i>

1670
01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:21,731
<i>♪ You drive me crazy
as we drive around ♪</i>

1671
01:28:21,905 --> 01:28:23,080
<i>♪ All right ♪</i>

1672
01:28:25,561 --> 01:28:26,866
<i>♪ All night ♪</i>

1673
01:28:30,217 --> 01:28:33,612
<i>♪ The way you look tonight
you aim to please ♪</i>

1674
01:28:33,786 --> 01:28:36,441
<i>♪ The dress you're wearin'
is way past your knees ♪</i>

1675
01:28:36,615 --> 01:28:37,747
<i>♪ All right ♪</i>

1676
01:28:40,097 --> 01:28:41,446
<i>♪ All right ♪</i>

1677
01:28:43,666 --> 01:28:45,320
<i>♪ 'Cause, baby,
can't you see ♪</i>

1678
01:28:45,494 --> 01:28:48,410
<i>♪ We need to spend
some time alone ♪</i>

1679
01:28:48,584 --> 01:28:52,065
<i>♪ We need to see some dreams
come true ♪</i>

1680
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,765
<i>♪ I want to feel you
touching me ♪</i>

1681
01:28:55,939 --> 01:29:00,639
<i>♪ We need
a midnight rendezvous ♪</i>

1682
01:29:14,044 --> 01:29:16,525
<i>♪ Midnight ♪</i>

1683
01:29:16,699 --> 01:29:19,179
<i>♪ Midnight rendezvous ♪</i>

1684
01:29:21,268 --> 01:29:22,792
<i>♪ Midnight ♪</i>

1685
01:29:24,184 --> 01:29:26,491
<i>♪ Midnight rendezvous ♪</i>

1686
01:29:28,711 --> 01:29:30,234
<i>♪ Midnight ♪</i>

1687
01:29:31,540 --> 01:29:33,977
<i>♪ Midnight rendezvous ♪</i>

1688
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:37,633
<i>♪ Midnight ♪</i>

1689
01:29:38,938 --> 01:29:41,158
<i>♪ Midnight rendezvous ♪</i>

1690
01:29:41,332 --> 01:29:43,595
<i>♪ Yeah, yeah ♪</i>

1691
01:29:46,293 --> 01:29:50,080
<i>♪ All I really
want to do ♪</i>

1692
01:29:50,254 --> 01:29:52,909
<i>♪ Spend some time alone
with you ♪</i>

1693
01:29:53,823 --> 01:29:55,172
<i>♪ Yeah ♪</i>

1694
01:29:56,652 --> 01:29:58,175
<i>♪ A midnight ♪</i>

1695
01:29:58,349 --> 01:30:01,526
<i>♪ [Baby, baby,
can't you see] ♪</i>

1696
01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:05,356
<i>♪ [Baby, baby, you and me] ♪</i>

1697
01:30:05,530 --> 01:30:09,316
<i>♪ [Baby, baby, can't you see] ♪</i>

1698
01:30:09,491 --> 01:30:12,276
<i>♪ [Baby, baby, you and me] ♪</i>

1699
01:30:12,450 --> 01:30:14,583
<i>♪ A midnight rendezvous ♪</i>

1700
01:30:19,979 --> 01:30:21,720
<i>♪ Yeah ♪</i>