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[Justin Kreutzmann] Hey, Dad.

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So, how long
you had this place?

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[Bill] Um, gee, I don't know,
10 years?

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Something like that now.

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'Cause you moved here
right after

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the Grateful Dead stopped,
right?

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Yeah.

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I wasn't in any bands
that were--

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you know, I couldn't find
any place to play

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that was gonna get me off
like the Grateful Dead did.

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It seems like a great place
to come

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to get some solace
and sort of...

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It is, it's like time out.

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It was really great
because it was different.

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That's the key word
in that sentence,

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that it was a different place.

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I didn't have to be
in the same old

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rock-and-roll genre,
the old rock-and-roll line.

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You know, you get to do
something different.

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[Justin] Since 1965,
my father Bill Kreutzmann

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played drums
in the Grateful Dead,

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and I grew up with the band.

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In 2015, as I watched
the four surviving members

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play their last shows together,

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I couldn't help but wonder,

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why did my dad
choose the drums?

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I'm not a drummer,
but the drums

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have defined my dad's life.

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And to really understand him,
I knew I needed to go talk

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to other drummers
and their families,

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because I did know
one thing for sure.

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Drummers aren't like
you and me.

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[drums playing]

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[Michael Anthony]
Just like it takes a certain

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charismatic person
to be a lead singer,

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a drummer is kind of more like
going to the Stone Age, man.

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You got a guy who's hitting
things with a stick, you know?

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[Stewart Copeland] Music is
wired right into us,

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and we're all
really good at it.

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Some of us take it to extremes,

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because Homo sapiens,
we favor specialists.

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So, in this wonderful world
in which we live,

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I get to play it,
and you get to listen to it,

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but you're better at it
than you think.

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[Don Was] The drummer's role
in the band

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is really the same
as everybody else's role

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in the band, which is to
advance the narrative

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of the storytelling.

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[wind chimes jingling]

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[gongs ringing]

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[Mickey Hart] Talking about
drums and drumming,

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it's the heart of me,
it's what makes me whole.

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[electronic drums
melodically ringing]

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It's about the rhythm
of everything.

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It's about the rhythm of life.

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We're just antenna, you know,

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picking up the cosmic rhythms

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and trying to interpret it.

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[drums playing]

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[Matt Sorum] Every human
and the limbs

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that we use to play
that instrument,

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and the heart and the soul
that goes into it,

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and the energy, is gonna
be completely different

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from one guy to the next.

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[drums playing]

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[Taylor Hawkins] I wasn't
shining at anything,

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and the second
I sat on the drums,

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it was like a bolt of lightning
went through my body,

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and I'll never forget that day.

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And never from that second on

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did I not say
this is what I'm gonna do.

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[Adrian Young] I always
wanted to be a drummer.

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I wanted to be a drummer bad.

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Ever since I was very little,
I just dreamed about it,

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and I just thought to myself,
I have to do this,

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I have to play drums,

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and at some point
I'm going to play drums.

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If you would go around
and ask a lot of drummers,

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I would say that 99% of them

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come from interesting
situations family-wise.

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[Adrian] We were
a rock and roll family.

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My parents were in a band,

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a rock and roll cover band,

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and we kinda lived

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a rock and roll lifestyle.

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So, I was constantly around,
you know, rehearsals,

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and gigs,
and that's what I knew.

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My parents got me into
rock and roll, no question.

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One minute was Led Zeppelin,
next minute's the Beatles,

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next minute's Steely Dan,

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and it was just a part
of our musical experience

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on a daily basis at home.

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I mean, what parent goes,

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"Hey, little Johnny,

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why don't you take up
the drums?"

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[imitating playing drums]

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Like, that's kinda--

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we weren't in a big house
or anything like that.

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So, I wasn't encouraged
in that way.

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Music was always in our house,

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and I always loved music
and loved drumming.

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I was the youngest of three.

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My sister played piano
and my brother played guitar.

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So, when I was seven,
I started to listen

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to my brother's records,

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and I listened to that music,
and I loved that music.

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I wanted to play like that.

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I wanted to play the new,
aggressive, loud music,

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I want it to be music
that I like,

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which I think is kinda normal
for a young kid.

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My parents got divorced
when I was very young,

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and internally
I was feeling fear,

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and you know,
the abandonment stuff.

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And right about that same time,

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my brothers and I
sat in front of the TV

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and watched
"The Ed Sullivan Show,"

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and it was just like that.

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When I saw Ringo,
I was just like, that's it.

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I was five.

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I got this little drum
for Christmas that year.

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I used it as a real outlet,

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and I really feel
looking back in retrospect

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that that's what it was.

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You pick a road
and go down it,

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and for me,
it was rock and roll.

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Okay, this is-- yeah.

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My-- this is like, you know,
my-- my hang room.

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All my little funny things
that I've collected

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over the years on eBay.

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And I like to have
drum heads made.

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There's Matt Cameron,
one of my drum heroes.

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There's Perry Farrell,
one of my rock heroes.

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There's Chris Cornell,
rest his soul.

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There's a poster,
a Foo Fighters poster.

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It's the only
Foo Fighter poster

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I have in here, really, but...

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And I always thought
it was funny

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'cause there was Dave,
and then there's me down there.

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Um, here's my daughter,
Everly.

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Hi, say hi.

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What's going on?
How you doing?

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All right, yeah,
make your way in there.

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I mean, this is a question,

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not probably for this
documentary.

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But for you, like,
how stable was your--

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did your home life seem?

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[Justin] This is what
my home life looked like.

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Growing up in the Grateful Dead

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wasn't exactly
"Leave It to Beaver."

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The only way to keep
the family together

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was to go on the road,

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where we were surrounded
by partying, drugs,

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and all kinds of craziness.

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The one constant was music.

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From the moment I was born,
I was surrounded by it.

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Don't get me wrong,

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I love music
and I love musicians.

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But early on, I knew
I wasn't one of them.

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For my dad,
it was a different story.

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So, drumming
is something that...

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[Bill] Yeah, I had to do.

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I remember when I first
started playing music,

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it made me feel good.

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It really made me feel good,

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and it allowed me to escape.

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It allowed me, if my parents
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which they used to do,

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I could lay on the couch
and listen to music.

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And I'd listen
to New Orleans music.

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I got into that 'cause
my mom's from New Orleans.

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She taught
at Stanford University,

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a modern dance class.

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She'd get me in the corner
and try to get me

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to play the groove, right,

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which was just rather
embarrassing.

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I tried,
but it wasn't happening.

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[Mickey] Billy, his mom
had a dance class,

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and he played
for the dance class.

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And he always had to come down
hard on the one

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so the dancers
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and that's why he has
such a powerful bass drum.

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Well, I like to play drums
in a way

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that lets you dance.

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I don't-- it's not all
jazz music

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or anything off the wall,
it's like,

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I like to put
some bottom line to it.

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[Justin] So, it was drums
that only called you?

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You didn't try to try out
another instrument?

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[Bill] They always seemed to.
I mean, I've seen pictures

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of me at Christmas and stuff,

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where my parents
give me a drum,

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and I knock
the heck out of that.

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I think all kids
do that growing up.

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Yeah, I got--
I have to hit--

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I have to hit it
before you bring it in.

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[drum booming]

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Wait a minute,
wait a minute.

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Whoa.
Whoa!

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Ahh!
I love it.

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My father was a drummer,
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rudimental drummers.

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My father had won
the world championship in 1939

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at the 1939 World's Fair.

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And my mother,
in the courting process,

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learned how to play drums.

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And she got really good at it,

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and she won
a world championship as well

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in rudimental drumming.

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So, I started
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taught by my parents.

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[Kofi Baker] My dad
was totally wild,

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and a very angry person.

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So yeah, that comes out
in his drumming completely.

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People don't realize
how in depth

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my dad's drumming was.

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It wasn't just, you know,

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slamming rock drumming.

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He was very intricate.

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And Cream was like
the Grateful Dead.

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It was a jam band, and they
jammed their asses off.

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I mean, obviously, they were
taking a lot of drugs.

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I mean, my dad used to say
they used to take LSD

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before they played,
which I don't know

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how you could possibly
get on stage

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and perform tripping, but he...

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[Justin] I'm gonna introduce
you to some of the guys

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- from my dad's band.
- Okay.

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And they can explain to you

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exactly how you get
on stage tripping.

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Okay, I'm sure they can!

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[drums playing]

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When I was like,
before I can remember,

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like two, three, four,
he would teach me paradiddles.

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I do remember him
going out the room

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and I'd play the paradiddle,
and I'd just keep going,

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and my hands would hurt,
and I think I was crying,

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and it was just like,
he'd forgotten about me.

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And I'd keep doing it
'cause, you know,

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I knew if I stopped
and he saw me stopped,

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I'd get, you know,
smacked for it.

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[Justin] My dad's approach
wasn't nearly as aggressive

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as Ginger's,
but it was hardly subtle.

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One day, I came home
from school

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and he had set up
a huge drumkit

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that took up my entire bedroom.

251
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I finally had to break it
to him,

252
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I just didn't
want to be a drummer.

253
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[Jim Keltner] Well, my dad
was a drummer.

254
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[Justin] So, did your dad
show you the first stuff?

255
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Was he sort of
your first drum teacher?

256
00:11:31,069 --> 00:11:33,796
[Jim] Well, no.
Which, you know,

257
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that's kind of a natural thing,
is your dad is--

258
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Well, you've got
the same situation.

259
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Did your dad teach you stuff?

260
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I would have in a minute.

261
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Maybe you don't remember,

262
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but I actually handed you
some sticks.

263
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I said, "Here, do a roll,"

264
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and you could do a press roll
right now.

265
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I went, "Where'd you
learn that?"

266
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And said,
"I've been watching you."

267
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Remember that?
You sat down,

268
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I handed you the sticks,
I swear to God,

269
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and you just went
and did the roll.

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You didn't wanna be a drummer.
I tried to get you

271
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to be a drummer,
but you didn't wanna do it.

272
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You already had gotten
into film.

273
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My dad never gave me lessons,

274
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and that's the thing,
is people always go like,

275
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you know, "Did your dad
teach you how to play drums?"

276
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No, he didn't.

277
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Give it up
for Nic Collins, everybody!

278
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[Nic] I've been playing drums
for as long as I can remember.

279
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They got me a drum set I think
when I was like two or three.

280
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It was always something
that was there,

281
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and it was always something
I enjoyed doing

282
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and loved doing.

283
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And it wasn't forced upon me,

284
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which I think is, like,
the most important thing.

285
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In any situation,
if your kid

286
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is doing the same thing
as you are,

287
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you can't push it upon him.

288
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You kinda gotta let them
do what they wanna do.

289
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[Jason Bonham] Nic Collins
is an amazing drummer.

290
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I don't think you'd say

291
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he was Phil Collins' son

292
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if you listen to him playing

293
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with his own band.

294
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[Nic] But you know,
at the beginning,

295
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there'd be times
we'd play a show,

296
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and it's like,
"Do the 'In the Air' fill!"

297
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And it's like...

298
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[Jason] You can ask
nearly everybody,

299
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if you said to them,
"What song is..."

300
00:12:54,359 --> 00:12:57,362
[singing "In the Air Tonight"
drum fill]

301
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People would know it.

302
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That takes a lot.

303
00:13:01,711 --> 00:13:03,472
You know, how many drummers
out there

304
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where you can say a drum fill?

305
00:13:05,750 --> 00:13:07,683
[Phil Collins] And it gives me
great pleasure...

306
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to introduce to you
on the drums

307
00:13:13,862 --> 00:13:16,623
my 17-year-old son,
Nicholas Collins,

308
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on the drums.

309
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[cheers and applause]

310
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[Jason] He plays
his dad's stuff so well.

311
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He'd be happier if I said

312
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he was more like
Taylor Hawkins,

313
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and he would.

314
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And the Foos, that would
make him really happy.

315
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[Nic] My dad always had
terrible posture playing drums,

316
00:13:37,506 --> 00:13:40,889
and he was having real bad
issues with his neck,

317
00:13:41,027 --> 00:13:44,030
and had an operation
which caused his foot

318
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to have this thing
called drop foot,

319
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where basically you lose
kind of all sensation

320
00:13:48,655 --> 00:13:50,726
or movement, you know,
control over your foot.

321
00:13:50,864 --> 00:13:52,314
You know, because of that,

322
00:13:52,452 --> 00:13:54,557
he couldn't really
play drums anymore.

323
00:13:54,695 --> 00:13:57,595
It's worked out in a way
where if that didn't happen,

324
00:13:57,733 --> 00:13:59,597
I wouldn't have had the chance
to do this tour with him,

325
00:13:59,735 --> 00:14:01,737
and you know, it wouldn't have
become this really great thing

326
00:14:01,875 --> 00:14:03,601
that it has become.

327
00:14:03,739 --> 00:14:06,500
But you know, I do kind of--
every now and then,

328
00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:08,019
I'm like, "Man, I wish
you could play drums."

329
00:14:12,748 --> 00:14:14,543
I always get the question
after the show, it's like,

330
00:14:14,681 --> 00:14:16,683
"You know, what's it like
to play with your dad?

331
00:14:16,821 --> 00:14:17,891
And you know,
it must be awesome."

332
00:14:18,029 --> 00:14:20,031
And you tend to forget.

333
00:14:20,169 --> 00:14:21,861
You know, I'll be playing,
and I'll just have

334
00:14:21,999 --> 00:14:23,414
one of those moments,
I'm like, you know,

335
00:14:23,552 --> 00:14:25,761
this is really great
that I get to share

336
00:14:25,899 --> 00:14:28,591
that moment with him.

337
00:14:28,729 --> 00:14:30,973
It kinda symbolizes this whole
kind of father-son thing,

338
00:14:31,111 --> 00:14:33,769
where it's more than just
about the drumming side of it.

339
00:14:33,907 --> 00:14:36,254
It's the fact that,
to be able to do that

340
00:14:36,392 --> 00:14:38,601
and to share that moment
with your child

341
00:14:38,739 --> 00:14:40,603
is just really, you know,
a great thing

342
00:14:40,741 --> 00:14:43,572
that I have the honor
of kind of sharing with him.

343
00:14:43,710 --> 00:14:46,299
People compare you to your dad
as in, you know,

344
00:14:46,437 --> 00:14:48,784
what he does, obviously.

345
00:14:48,922 --> 00:14:50,855
I want to be a drummer.

346
00:14:50,993 --> 00:14:52,546
That's just--
that's what's gonna happen.

347
00:14:52,684 --> 00:14:53,996
You know, you're gonna be
compared to him.

348
00:14:54,134 --> 00:14:56,240
I mean, I'm sure it happens,
you know, with everybody.

349
00:14:56,378 --> 00:14:58,967
I'm sure, like, Jason Bonham
gets it with his dad.

350
00:14:59,105 --> 00:15:00,416
- How are you?
- Hello.

351
00:15:00,554 --> 00:15:01,555
Hi, how are you?

352
00:15:01,693 --> 00:15:02,798
- Hi.
- Hello.

353
00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:05,007
For years of my life
as a kid,

354
00:15:05,145 --> 00:15:08,769
I grew up with that,
yes, one day it might happen,

355
00:15:08,908 --> 00:15:10,737
when Zeppelin
would get back together,

356
00:15:10,875 --> 00:15:14,430
and me on drums,
in a perfect world.

357
00:15:14,568 --> 00:15:16,294
But there's still always
something so special

358
00:15:16,432 --> 00:15:19,056
about playing with those guys,
and a lot of it

359
00:15:19,194 --> 00:15:21,161
is that feeling
I'm very close to Dad.

360
00:15:22,852 --> 00:15:25,165
Being at 14
and losing your father,

361
00:15:25,303 --> 00:15:28,617
at the time,
such high pedestal,

362
00:15:28,755 --> 00:15:30,653
you know, not only--
you know, later on in life

363
00:15:30,791 --> 00:15:33,484
I realized musically,
but high in life

364
00:15:33,622 --> 00:15:35,693
as a role model,
as a figure.

365
00:15:35,831 --> 00:15:38,316
You're like,
my dad's my dad.

366
00:15:38,454 --> 00:15:41,837
And I did find some huge amount
of closure, for me,

367
00:15:41,975 --> 00:15:43,528
while playing the music.

368
00:15:59,855 --> 00:16:01,201
[Michael] Let's put it
this way.

369
00:16:01,339 --> 00:16:04,032
Everybody wanted to be
Jimmy Page or Robert Plant.

370
00:16:04,170 --> 00:16:06,827
And the guys that weren't
singing or playing guitar,

371
00:16:06,966 --> 00:16:08,933
they played drums 'cause they
wanted to be John Bonham.

372
00:16:09,071 --> 00:16:11,556
[Matt] Nobody can replicate
John Bonham.

373
00:16:11,694 --> 00:16:14,007
The closest guy to it
is probably his son,

374
00:16:14,145 --> 00:16:17,355
and that's because
he was born with that.

375
00:16:17,493 --> 00:16:20,186
It would be like any
other thing you inherit.

376
00:16:22,050 --> 00:16:25,363
The closest I've ever heard
the foot is Jason Bonham.

377
00:16:25,501 --> 00:16:26,813
He's got a similar thing.

378
00:16:26,951 --> 00:16:28,228
Does that come from the heart?

379
00:16:28,366 --> 00:16:30,368
Does that come--
I believe so.

380
00:16:30,506 --> 00:16:33,682
It's all something
that you're born with,

381
00:16:33,820 --> 00:16:36,719
and he was lucky
to have the bloodline.

382
00:16:36,857 --> 00:16:38,894
[Jason] I remember waking up
one Christmas morning

383
00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:42,898
and there was a kit
at the bottom of the bed

384
00:16:43,036 --> 00:16:44,762
Santa had brought.

385
00:16:44,900 --> 00:16:49,767
I don't actually remember
being taught as such.

386
00:16:49,905 --> 00:16:53,219
I remember I couldn't reach
the hi-hat pedal properly,

387
00:16:53,357 --> 00:16:56,187
or I'd hit the rim
for a rhythmical part

388
00:16:56,325 --> 00:16:57,982
of the kick drum.

389
00:17:00,847 --> 00:17:02,538
And that's kinda
how it started.

390
00:17:02,676 --> 00:17:04,920
[drums playing]

391
00:17:05,058 --> 00:17:06,266
[Stewart] I guess
old Sandy Nelson

392
00:17:06,404 --> 00:17:07,681
got me into the drums business

393
00:17:07,819 --> 00:17:09,373
with that track,
"Let There Be Drums."

394
00:17:09,511 --> 00:17:11,271
When I first heard
that particular song,

395
00:17:11,409 --> 00:17:13,825
I was 11 or 12,

396
00:17:13,963 --> 00:17:16,828
awaiting chest hair,
and that song came on.

397
00:17:16,965 --> 00:17:19,416
[imitating drum beat]

398
00:17:19,555 --> 00:17:22,903
And suddenly,
adult masculinity was revealed.

399
00:17:23,041 --> 00:17:25,215
[music]

400
00:17:37,401 --> 00:17:39,610
[Sandy Nelson] I didn't really
show much hope

401
00:17:39,748 --> 00:17:41,577
in playing drums.

402
00:17:41,715 --> 00:17:45,271
And in band room
in high school,

403
00:17:45,409 --> 00:17:47,756
I wanted to play piano.

404
00:17:47,894 --> 00:17:50,448
And I'd play these fake
little jazz chords,

405
00:17:50,586 --> 00:17:51,967
it sounds real cool.

406
00:17:52,105 --> 00:17:55,281
And the trumpet player said,
"Do that in B-flat."

407
00:17:55,419 --> 00:17:56,730
B-flat?

408
00:17:58,111 --> 00:18:01,252
So, I went with drums
for 60 years.

409
00:18:01,390 --> 00:18:02,805
Hell with B-flat.

410
00:18:02,943 --> 00:18:04,600
[Bill Gibson]
Huey and the News,

411
00:18:04,738 --> 00:18:07,224
we went to Los Angeles
and cut our first record

412
00:18:07,362 --> 00:18:08,915
at American Recorders
where they cut

413
00:18:09,053 --> 00:18:10,813
"Let There Be Drums"
by Sandy Nelson.

414
00:18:10,951 --> 00:18:12,160
[Justin] Oh my goodness.

415
00:18:12,298 --> 00:18:13,471
[Bill] The drum set
was there.

416
00:18:13,609 --> 00:18:14,748
- Oh, really?
- Yeah, it was in the studio

417
00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:16,095
at the time.

418
00:18:16,233 --> 00:18:20,202
I sure remember
being 13, 14 years old

419
00:18:20,340 --> 00:18:22,584
and hearing
"Let There Be Drums," for sure.

420
00:18:22,722 --> 00:18:24,793
You know, I'd listen
to that a lot.

421
00:18:26,001 --> 00:18:28,003
[Slim Jim Phantom] Sandy Nelson
I believe was the first one

422
00:18:28,141 --> 00:18:31,351
to have an instrumental
kinda drum-featured track

423
00:18:31,489 --> 00:18:33,388
that was in the pop charts.

424
00:18:33,526 --> 00:18:34,630
He's very important.

425
00:18:34,768 --> 00:18:36,184
"Teen Beat's"
a really good one too.

426
00:18:36,322 --> 00:18:38,600
[drums playing]

427
00:18:38,738 --> 00:18:40,015
[Sandy] My first record
"Teen Beat,"

428
00:18:40,153 --> 00:18:41,775
the last part I stole,

429
00:18:41,913 --> 00:18:44,330
an old Dixieland drummer,
Ben Pollack,

430
00:18:44,468 --> 00:18:45,779
And he used to take
the stick and go...

431
00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:48,299
[thumping]

432
00:18:53,304 --> 00:18:56,376
The story is that John Bonham
was wondering what I did.

433
00:18:56,514 --> 00:18:58,344
And since it was not
an overdub,

434
00:18:58,482 --> 00:19:00,242
you know, he was wondering
what it was.

435
00:19:00,380 --> 00:19:04,419
John drove his son nuts, Jason,

436
00:19:04,557 --> 00:19:07,146
by playing "Teen Beat"
for two days.

437
00:19:07,284 --> 00:19:09,631
[drums playing]

438
00:19:16,327 --> 00:19:18,157
[Slim Jim] These guys to me
were mythic.

439
00:19:18,295 --> 00:19:19,882
Anyone that's on
black-and-white television

440
00:19:20,020 --> 00:19:21,988
I have a little bit
more respect for.

441
00:19:22,126 --> 00:19:25,405
And then, Jerry Allison,
he's certainly one

442
00:19:25,543 --> 00:19:27,407
that I can listen to any
of those records randomly

443
00:19:27,545 --> 00:19:30,514
and say, "I do that one.

444
00:19:30,652 --> 00:19:32,240
"I must have listened
to this one 100 times,

445
00:19:32,378 --> 00:19:33,931
'cause I totally do that."

446
00:19:34,069 --> 00:19:36,520
Certainly a lot of stuff
I got from Jerry Allison.

447
00:19:36,658 --> 00:19:39,005
[Jerry Allison]
I think we were like some

448
00:19:39,143 --> 00:19:40,731
of the first white men

449
00:19:40,869 --> 00:19:43,182
to really be heavy
into rhythm and blues

450
00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,735
and liking it.

451
00:19:44,873 --> 00:19:46,633
And I took drum lessons.

452
00:19:46,771 --> 00:19:49,291
And I think
Buddy Holly,

453
00:19:49,429 --> 00:19:51,155
he and I played
so much together

454
00:19:51,293 --> 00:19:53,053
that we could sort of
play together,

455
00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:55,263
like, you know, we sort of
felt the same licks.

456
00:19:55,401 --> 00:19:57,748
[engine turning over]

457
00:20:01,269 --> 00:20:03,616
[engine starting, rumbling]

458
00:20:07,620 --> 00:20:08,897
[Tre Cool] All the old drummers

459
00:20:09,035 --> 00:20:10,761
of all the old records
that we love,

460
00:20:10,899 --> 00:20:14,247
like Elvis Presley records,
Little Richard.

461
00:20:14,385 --> 00:20:15,938
Those guys are slaying.

462
00:20:16,076 --> 00:20:17,595
You could hear-- anyway,
they're turned down a bit,

463
00:20:17,733 --> 00:20:19,770
you know, but you can--

464
00:20:19,908 --> 00:20:21,634
Try to put yourself
in the situation

465
00:20:21,772 --> 00:20:23,808
where if you're standing
in that room

466
00:20:23,946 --> 00:20:27,364
and that band was tearing ass,
how cool would that be?

467
00:20:27,502 --> 00:20:28,606
Yeah, it'd be scary.

468
00:20:28,744 --> 00:20:31,747
[tapping beat]

469
00:20:31,885 --> 00:20:33,197
[Charles Connor] Can you
imagine that sound

470
00:20:33,335 --> 00:20:35,234
with a bass player
doing that rigid thing,

471
00:20:35,372 --> 00:20:37,753
doing that too,
and on the piano?

472
00:20:37,891 --> 00:20:39,548
And that beat...

473
00:20:41,067 --> 00:20:43,207
Contagious like a drug,
like coke,

474
00:20:43,345 --> 00:20:44,450
and you're like a drug
with 'em.

475
00:20:46,037 --> 00:20:47,625
You know, if it wasn't
for Little Richard,

476
00:20:47,763 --> 00:20:49,420
there wouldn't have
been a Michael Jackson

477
00:20:49,558 --> 00:20:51,042
or no Prince.

478
00:20:51,180 --> 00:20:53,182
We the guys
that dug the ditches.

479
00:20:53,321 --> 00:20:55,254
Richard is the architect
of rock and roll,

480
00:20:55,392 --> 00:20:56,634
and I say I was the bricklayer

481
00:20:56,772 --> 00:20:58,774
as far
as the rhythm's concerned.

482
00:20:58,912 --> 00:21:01,915
Most drummers I know
are like jazz drummers,

483
00:21:02,053 --> 00:21:05,298
and they lower themselves
to rock and roll.

484
00:21:05,436 --> 00:21:08,336
But I was mostly, you know,
just hillbilly music,

485
00:21:08,474 --> 00:21:10,096
'cause that's what was
happening around a little bit.

486
00:21:10,234 --> 00:21:12,478
and I raised myself
to rock and roll.

487
00:21:12,616 --> 00:21:14,445
[Charles singing rhythm]

488
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,449
Making the earth quake.
[continues singing]

489
00:21:21,176 --> 00:21:23,143
I'm originally from
New Orleans, Louisiana.

490
00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:24,800
I was born in French Quarters.

491
00:21:24,938 --> 00:21:27,527
And when I was about four
or five years old,

492
00:21:27,665 --> 00:21:29,805
I used to beat
on my mother's pots and pans.

493
00:21:29,943 --> 00:21:32,498
Like big gumbo pots
sound like a conga

494
00:21:32,636 --> 00:21:34,154
and bongo, and everything
like that.

495
00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:35,639
Now, this is no joke.

496
00:21:35,777 --> 00:21:37,986
When I was playing
in my bedroom,

497
00:21:38,124 --> 00:21:40,989
I heard some kind of pot
and pan outside,

498
00:21:41,127 --> 00:21:42,818
and I looked outside,
and there was a lady going,

499
00:21:42,956 --> 00:21:44,958
"This is what I hear
every day at 3:30,

500
00:21:45,096 --> 00:21:46,857
'ging, ging, ging, ging!'"

501
00:21:46,995 --> 00:21:48,686
I said,
"Yeah, let's jam together."

502
00:21:48,824 --> 00:21:50,343
She kept doing it,
and I just laid down,

503
00:21:50,481 --> 00:21:53,001
and it was like...
[imitating drum beat]

504
00:21:53,139 --> 00:21:55,141
And, uh, I didn't make friends
with that neighbor.

505
00:22:02,113 --> 00:22:03,632
[Charles] I used to make
a lot of noise,

506
00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:04,875
and they said,
"Oh, don't do it,

507
00:22:05,013 --> 00:22:05,945
the neighbors, no..."

508
00:22:06,083 --> 00:22:07,429
So, what my daddy,
he say,

509
00:22:07,567 --> 00:22:09,604
"Well, he got to learn
some kind of way.

510
00:22:09,742 --> 00:22:12,261
Just have patience, he got
to learn some kind of way."

511
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,057
I like to know that people
were listening.

512
00:22:15,195 --> 00:22:17,232
[laughing]
You know?

513
00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:18,992
Or they were hearing, I don't
know if they were listening.

514
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:20,546
[pot banging]

515
00:22:20,684 --> 00:22:22,375
[announcer] Nobody decides
to be a drummer.

516
00:22:22,513 --> 00:22:24,412
[woman] Ralph, please.

517
00:22:24,550 --> 00:22:26,552
[announcer] You just
find yourself drumming.

518
00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:29,002
[woman] Ralph, please!

519
00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:30,832
[announcer] It doesn't make you
instantly popular.

520
00:22:30,970 --> 00:22:32,937
Ralph, please!

521
00:22:33,075 --> 00:22:35,181
No one asks you to play
their favorite tunes.

522
00:22:35,319 --> 00:22:37,459
Ralph, please?

523
00:22:37,597 --> 00:22:39,081
But with endless practice...

524
00:22:39,219 --> 00:22:41,083
Ralph, please!

525
00:22:41,221 --> 00:22:42,913
...and fanatical
persistence...

526
00:22:43,051 --> 00:22:45,743
[both] Ralph, please!

527
00:22:45,881 --> 00:22:47,469
...you can get there.

528
00:22:51,231 --> 00:22:53,302
Your drumming
isn't just noise anymore.

529
00:22:53,441 --> 00:22:55,546
And you're not the only one
who thinks so.

530
00:22:55,684 --> 00:22:58,756
- [cheers and applause]
- Ralph, please!

531
00:22:58,894 --> 00:23:01,276
[Stewart] And we're playing
at the Embassy Beach Club,

532
00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:02,760
and I'm playing...

533
00:23:02,898 --> 00:23:04,900
♪ We gotta get out
of this place ♪

534
00:23:05,038 --> 00:23:07,109
There's Janet McRoberts.

535
00:23:07,247 --> 00:23:10,941
I'm 12, she's 15,
and she's dancing to my beat.

536
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:12,632
'Cause at the time,
I was a late developer,

537
00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:14,013
skinny little kid.

538
00:23:14,151 --> 00:23:16,049
I could never get
Janet McRoberts' attention

539
00:23:16,187 --> 00:23:17,534
any other way.

540
00:23:17,672 --> 00:23:19,984
But there's this instrument,
this music,

541
00:23:20,122 --> 00:23:21,779
this thing, this force.

542
00:23:21,917 --> 00:23:25,645
The feeling of connection,
of making people move,

543
00:23:25,783 --> 00:23:27,440
particularly Janet McRoberts,

544
00:23:27,578 --> 00:23:30,754
that is really powerful juju,

545
00:23:30,892 --> 00:23:33,135
and very inspiring.

546
00:23:33,273 --> 00:23:36,311
We always have to remember,
tempos are emotion.

547
00:23:36,449 --> 00:23:38,934
The BPM comes
from the heart rate.

548
00:23:39,072 --> 00:23:41,523
You know, when you say BPM,
60 BPM,

549
00:23:41,661 --> 00:23:44,630
you know, that's--
that's a melancholy tempo.

550
00:23:44,768 --> 00:23:46,114
Why do we feel sad?

551
00:23:46,252 --> 00:23:49,117
Well, it's slowing
my heart rate down.

552
00:23:49,255 --> 00:23:51,844
It's making me think
melancholy,

553
00:23:51,982 --> 00:23:54,433
ideas of sadness, and whatever.

554
00:23:54,571 --> 00:23:56,711
And then, when you bring
that tempo up,

555
00:23:56,849 --> 00:23:58,885
now you're into 120,
and all of a sudden,

556
00:23:59,023 --> 00:24:00,508
"Okay, I'm dancing."

557
00:24:00,646 --> 00:24:03,683
That's a perfect idea of, like,
double the heart rate.

558
00:24:03,821 --> 00:24:05,754
Now, we're grooving.

559
00:24:05,892 --> 00:24:07,687
Right, and then bump it up
a little bit more,

560
00:24:07,825 --> 00:24:09,378
and now you get
into heavy metal.

561
00:24:09,517 --> 00:24:12,002
You know, you get into, like,
"I want to break stuff."

562
00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:15,488
It's all based on your heart
and what you're feeling.

563
00:24:15,626 --> 00:24:18,387
That's the importance
of rhythm within the music

564
00:24:18,526 --> 00:24:20,666
and what we do as drummers,
I guess, right?

565
00:24:20,804 --> 00:24:23,185
[drums playing]

566
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:29,675
[John Densmore] Won't work
without the inner metronome.

567
00:24:29,813 --> 00:24:31,746
You know, you gotta
have that feel.

568
00:24:31,884 --> 00:24:33,713
So, it's the internal
heartbeat.

569
00:24:33,851 --> 00:24:36,958
And that internal heartbeat

570
00:24:37,096 --> 00:24:38,718
is what makes people dance.

571
00:24:38,856 --> 00:24:40,548
And it doesn't matter
whether it's reggae,

572
00:24:40,686 --> 00:24:42,584
or hip-hop,
or whatever the hell.

573
00:24:42,722 --> 00:24:45,138
We all groove on one.

574
00:24:45,276 --> 00:24:47,416
It will grab you.

575
00:24:47,555 --> 00:24:50,489
It will grab you--
attract your attention.

576
00:24:50,627 --> 00:24:52,560
It's something--
something that when--

577
00:24:52,698 --> 00:24:54,044
like, "ohh!"

578
00:24:54,182 --> 00:24:56,840
You feel it.
The listener feels it.

579
00:24:56,978 --> 00:24:59,601
I wonder if feel
can be taught.

580
00:24:59,739 --> 00:25:02,949
It could be maybe explained
to somebody--

581
00:25:03,087 --> 00:25:05,607
what to look for,
how to get into the mindset.

582
00:25:05,745 --> 00:25:07,747
It's not a matter of,
"No, hold the sticks like this,

583
00:25:07,885 --> 00:25:09,508
or practice
your rudiments thus."

584
00:25:09,646 --> 00:25:13,304
But the mindset of how
to sink yourself

585
00:25:13,442 --> 00:25:15,686
into the pocket,
how to feel where it is,

586
00:25:15,824 --> 00:25:17,619
it's possible
that you could explain,

587
00:25:17,757 --> 00:25:20,657
or at least improve on somebody
to do that.

588
00:25:20,795 --> 00:25:23,591
I think feel
is something you have in you.

589
00:25:23,729 --> 00:25:28,112
I think my feel naturally
is a push.

590
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:30,459
Like, I'm an on-top drummer
like Stewart Copeland.

591
00:25:30,598 --> 00:25:33,117
My natural feel
is to push a band.

592
00:25:33,255 --> 00:25:34,947
It's just the way I am,
it's the way I play,

593
00:25:35,085 --> 00:25:36,396
it's the way I hear music.

594
00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:37,708
You know, guitar was cool
and everything,

595
00:25:37,846 --> 00:25:40,539
but the drums, it's like,
you hit this thing,

596
00:25:40,677 --> 00:25:41,954
and you hit that thing
with your hand,

597
00:25:42,092 --> 00:25:43,472
and your foot with this.

598
00:25:43,611 --> 00:25:45,336
And it makes this groove

599
00:25:45,474 --> 00:25:47,235
where you just
feel it in your heart.

600
00:25:55,277 --> 00:25:57,590
[Taylor] I saw Steven Adler,
the drummer of Guns N' Roses,

601
00:25:57,728 --> 00:25:59,419
the original drummer
of Guns N' Roses,

602
00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:01,456
and this poor kat,
he's been through so much, man.

603
00:26:01,594 --> 00:26:03,251
And he had a coke stroke,

604
00:26:03,389 --> 00:26:05,840
and he kinda has
a speech impediment now.

605
00:26:05,978 --> 00:26:08,118
And I never met him in my life.

606
00:26:08,256 --> 00:26:10,638
And I'm like, dude!

607
00:26:10,776 --> 00:26:13,054
And I, like, went up to him,
and I hugged him,

608
00:26:13,192 --> 00:26:15,746
and I just go,
"Do you know how many lives

609
00:26:15,884 --> 00:26:18,128
"you ruined with your drumming,
dude?

610
00:26:18,266 --> 00:26:20,820
"You know how many houses
got destroyed

611
00:26:20,958 --> 00:26:23,340
"because kids were raging
as hard as they could

612
00:26:23,478 --> 00:26:25,135
"because of that
fucking album?

613
00:26:25,273 --> 00:26:27,827
"Because of your drum beats,
and 'Welcome to the Jungle,'

614
00:26:27,965 --> 00:26:30,174
"it drove people
fucking crazy.

615
00:26:30,312 --> 00:26:32,763
"They wanted to fuck,
and do drugs, and party,

616
00:26:32,901 --> 00:26:34,213
"and kick the neighbor's
dog around,

617
00:26:34,351 --> 00:26:36,595
all because of your
fucking drumming, man."

618
00:26:36,733 --> 00:26:38,148
And he was so stoked,

619
00:26:38,286 --> 00:26:39,736
and I hugged him
for like 15 minutes.

620
00:26:43,291 --> 00:26:45,155
[Mickey] Most of the rhythms
that we have here

621
00:26:45,293 --> 00:26:48,158
in popular music
came to us from Nigeria,

622
00:26:48,296 --> 00:26:49,469
from West Africa.

623
00:26:49,608 --> 00:26:52,438
[pitched drums playing]

624
00:26:52,576 --> 00:26:53,991
It came from
the slave trade,

625
00:26:54,129 --> 00:26:56,131
and everybody picked up on it

626
00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:57,685
because these
were the power rhythms.

627
00:26:57,823 --> 00:26:59,479
These were the trance rhythms.

628
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:01,689
And that's what it
was originally used for,

629
00:27:01,827 --> 00:27:03,276
it was used for the gods.

630
00:27:03,414 --> 00:27:04,484
Pray to the gods.

631
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:06,210
[music]

632
00:27:06,348 --> 00:27:09,317
♪ Yeah! ♪

633
00:27:09,455 --> 00:27:14,149
[John] In Haiti, the main
rhythm of possession

634
00:27:14,287 --> 00:27:17,325
which gets the dancers
to go out,

635
00:27:17,463 --> 00:27:19,396
is three against four.

636
00:27:19,534 --> 00:27:22,675
And it kind of does something
to the brain cells.

637
00:27:22,813 --> 00:27:25,298
It messes with
your equilibrium a little bit.

638
00:27:25,436 --> 00:27:28,612
And that's the magic.
That's the mystery.

639
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,374
[Stephen P.] I think about
those early drummers.

640
00:27:32,512 --> 00:27:34,066
They were listening to jazz.

641
00:27:34,204 --> 00:27:35,619
They were ja--
that's how they grew up.

642
00:27:35,757 --> 00:27:37,725
- Exactly.
- That was their era of music.

643
00:27:37,863 --> 00:27:39,002
- That's right.
- It wasn't rock and roll.

644
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:40,520
That's right, so that's why
they swing.

645
00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:42,522
They were the stars of it,
so they were swing drummers.

646
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:45,180
And then you think--
well, I mean, like I say,

647
00:27:45,318 --> 00:27:47,182
the guys that have
all the chops,

648
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,633
can a girl move her butt to it?

649
00:27:49,771 --> 00:27:53,119
And that's my point
as a drummer from Africa

650
00:27:53,257 --> 00:27:54,983
- and a djembe.
- These...

651
00:27:55,121 --> 00:27:56,640
- You want people to move.
- The Grateful Dead, you know.

652
00:27:56,778 --> 00:27:58,193
- Exactly.
- Stoner boys,

653
00:27:58,331 --> 00:27:59,919
they fucking grooved
on their drums.

654
00:28:00,057 --> 00:28:01,921
- You want people to move.
- And they were moving.

655
00:28:02,059 --> 00:28:03,854
- But they swang.
- Oh, hell yeah.

656
00:28:03,992 --> 00:28:05,614
They weren't just
a "boom-cha, boom-cha."

657
00:28:05,753 --> 00:28:07,547
- No, absolutely.
- They were beautiful swingers.

658
00:28:07,686 --> 00:28:10,102
[music]

659
00:28:13,174 --> 00:28:16,108
I call myself a four-sided
schizophrenic,

660
00:28:16,246 --> 00:28:19,732
because you have to have four
separate ideas going, right?

661
00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:21,320
And then a single thing here.

662
00:28:21,458 --> 00:28:22,942
You have to be able-- it's more
than patting your head

663
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,116
and rubbing your stomach,
'cause you're doing it

664
00:28:24,254 --> 00:28:25,600
with four things.

665
00:28:25,738 --> 00:28:28,292
And... and that sort of relates
after a while.

666
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:29,846
When you get that down
in music,

667
00:28:29,984 --> 00:28:31,399
in drumming particularly,

668
00:28:31,537 --> 00:28:33,470
then you get
so you can be dancing.

669
00:28:33,608 --> 00:28:35,886
And that is really fine,
'cause you sit back there,

670
00:28:36,024 --> 00:28:37,750
and it feels just like
you're dancing.

671
00:28:37,888 --> 00:28:40,753
[music]

672
00:28:40,891 --> 00:28:43,238
[Jerry Garcia]
When me and Pigpen,

673
00:28:43,376 --> 00:28:45,137
and we were talking about
putting together

674
00:28:45,275 --> 00:28:47,518
a, you know,
like electric blues band

675
00:28:47,656 --> 00:28:49,382
or something of that sort.

676
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,590
The only drummers
that I really played with

677
00:28:50,729 --> 00:28:51,799
around that area that I felt

678
00:28:51,937 --> 00:28:53,939
really had a nice feel
was Bill.

679
00:28:54,077 --> 00:28:55,457
I get a phone call.

680
00:28:55,595 --> 00:28:57,356
Who is it?
It's Jerry.

681
00:28:57,494 --> 00:28:59,945
And Jerry calls me and says,
"Hey, you wanna be in a band?"

682
00:29:00,083 --> 00:29:02,257
I said yes right then,
I didn't hesitate, nothing.

683
00:29:05,778 --> 00:29:06,917
[Jerry] So, I talked to him,
and he was--

684
00:29:07,055 --> 00:29:08,298
he was just as weird as ever,

685
00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:11,301
and I really didn't understand
anything he said.

686
00:29:11,439 --> 00:29:13,165
He was just like...
[speaking gibberish]

687
00:29:13,303 --> 00:29:14,822
You know.
"What?"

688
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,375
He said...
[speaking gibberish]

689
00:29:16,513 --> 00:29:18,480
And I-- okay, you know.

690
00:29:18,618 --> 00:29:20,655
For something about this guy,

691
00:29:20,793 --> 00:29:22,553
I knew that if I stayed
with him,

692
00:29:22,691 --> 00:29:24,486
it was gonna be
a far out trip.

693
00:29:24,624 --> 00:29:26,316
I mean, that's how
powerful he is.

694
00:29:26,454 --> 00:29:28,180
Not was, is.

695
00:29:28,318 --> 00:29:30,354
I didn't realize what
a truly strange person he was

696
00:29:30,492 --> 00:29:32,011
until we started
getting high together.

697
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:33,323
Then that was a whole other--

698
00:29:33,461 --> 00:29:35,325
a whole other Bill
jumped out, you know.

699
00:29:35,463 --> 00:29:37,534
I said to myself right then,
to nobody else,

700
00:29:37,672 --> 00:29:40,157
I said I'm gonna
follow this guy forever.

701
00:29:40,295 --> 00:29:42,642
And I didn't know how true
that statement was gonna be.

702
00:29:44,092 --> 00:29:46,094
[Jay Lane] Your pops
is a subliminal drummer.

703
00:29:46,232 --> 00:29:48,614
In fact, your pops
is a hypnotist.

704
00:29:48,752 --> 00:29:51,272
You know why?
'Cause every time

705
00:29:51,410 --> 00:29:53,964
I've went and said,
I'm gonna check Billy out

706
00:29:54,102 --> 00:29:56,001
and try to learn
what he's doing,

707
00:29:56,139 --> 00:29:58,417
he starts swinging
that little pendulum,

708
00:29:58,555 --> 00:30:00,350
and I start dancing around,

709
00:30:00,488 --> 00:30:01,938
like woo-hoo,
start having a great time.

710
00:30:02,076 --> 00:30:03,387
Then it's like
2:00 in the morning,

711
00:30:03,525 --> 00:30:05,665
I'm like, oh man, damn,
I was gonna check him out.

712
00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:10,187
[Mickey] No one rocks
harder and sweeter,

713
00:30:10,325 --> 00:30:14,295
and rolling and swinging
than Billy Kreutzmann.

714
00:30:14,433 --> 00:30:16,055
End of story.

715
00:30:16,193 --> 00:30:18,747
There's nobody like him.
Nobody.

716
00:30:18,886 --> 00:30:21,681
[Bill] The music changed
from when we first started

717
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,270
the first year or so
until 1967,

718
00:30:24,408 --> 00:30:25,858
which was a big change,

719
00:30:25,996 --> 00:30:27,584
'cause I brought
Mickey into the band.

720
00:30:27,722 --> 00:30:29,275
You know, it was something
I really wanted to do,

721
00:30:29,413 --> 00:30:30,829
and it was great for me.

722
00:30:30,967 --> 00:30:32,485
A lot of stuff
got much freer with him.

723
00:30:32,623 --> 00:30:35,005
[music]

724
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:38,491
[Steve Ferrone] There's really
something about playing

725
00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:40,735
with another drummer,
it's an exercise.

726
00:30:40,873 --> 00:30:44,083
The importance of listening
to the other drummer,

727
00:30:44,221 --> 00:30:47,052
or feeling the other drummer,

728
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:49,330
so that you don't
walk on each other.

729
00:30:49,468 --> 00:30:53,196
You're not trying to like
step out front and be the guy.

730
00:30:53,334 --> 00:30:56,233
You're just-- you got
this whole zone

731
00:30:56,371 --> 00:30:58,580
that you have to be in
to play together.

732
00:30:58,718 --> 00:31:00,962
To do that, you have
to be able to listen.

733
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:03,102
You really need to be able
to listen to the other drummer.

734
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,346
[Mickey] So, the possibilities
in rhythm are endless.

735
00:31:05,484 --> 00:31:07,141
Rhythms are endless.

736
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,316
Bill and I find rhythms where
there was no rhythms before.

737
00:31:10,454 --> 00:31:13,492
[Don Was] I think that
there's something really unique

738
00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:16,322
in the approach that Mickey
and Bill have.

739
00:31:16,460 --> 00:31:18,462
Like, really unique
and really cool.

740
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,293
I think Mickey comes
from kind of a trained...

741
00:31:21,431 --> 00:31:23,536
I know he was in marching bands
and that kinda thing,

742
00:31:23,674 --> 00:31:25,435
and he's got
all that technique

743
00:31:25,573 --> 00:31:27,333
and all that approach
to rhythm.

744
00:31:27,471 --> 00:31:30,233
And I think he brought that

745
00:31:30,371 --> 00:31:32,994
into Bill's trap drumming,
you know.

746
00:31:33,132 --> 00:31:37,757
And the two of them together,
it's a really effective,

747
00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:41,002
and musical,
and sophisticated,

748
00:31:41,140 --> 00:31:43,763
and original approach
to the two-drummer thing.

749
00:31:43,902 --> 00:31:46,318
[music]

750
00:31:55,983 --> 00:31:58,433
[Mickey] When I do something,
Bill is already sensing it.

751
00:31:58,571 --> 00:32:00,815
When Bill does something,
I've already sensed it.

752
00:32:00,953 --> 00:32:04,163
You know, I know-- I know
pretty much where he's going.

753
00:32:04,301 --> 00:32:06,062
He surprises me,
I surprise him.

754
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,787
That's the-- you know,

755
00:32:07,926 --> 00:32:09,824
spending hours together
in the groove.

756
00:32:09,962 --> 00:32:12,275
I can't imagine how many hours
Bill and I have clocked,

757
00:32:12,413 --> 00:32:13,828
you know, in the groove.

758
00:32:13,966 --> 00:32:17,487
And we go long distance.
We play for six, eight hours.

759
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,595
[Justin] Mickey was like
a second father to me,

760
00:32:22,733 --> 00:32:25,322
and not just because he and Dad
were always drumming together.

761
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:27,290
[cheers and applause]

762
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:30,500
Growing up in the '70s,
the Grateful Dead

763
00:32:30,638 --> 00:32:32,122
was like one big family.

764
00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:34,849
But on the road,
there wasn't any kids around.

765
00:32:34,987 --> 00:32:37,024
The roadies watched over us
as best they could,

766
00:32:37,162 --> 00:32:38,887
but we had to fend
for ourselves.

767
00:32:39,026 --> 00:32:40,924
In fact, there are pictures
of me at shows

768
00:32:41,062 --> 00:32:42,822
with "Justin"
written on my shirt.

769
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:44,341
That's so security
could find me

770
00:32:44,479 --> 00:32:45,791
when I wandered off
during a show.

771
00:32:49,001 --> 00:32:51,107
[Bill] You grew up
in the thick of it, dude.

772
00:32:51,245 --> 00:32:53,454
And when you were born,
you know that story, right?

773
00:32:53,592 --> 00:32:54,869
- No.
- Oh, I better tell you.

774
00:32:55,007 --> 00:32:56,560
You mean I never told you
about being born?

775
00:32:56,698 --> 00:32:59,667
I was just nervous as can be,
and I was talking too much,

776
00:32:59,805 --> 00:33:01,531
and I probably had a little
whiskey or something.

777
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:04,051
And I'm talking away,
and the doctor wipes you off

778
00:33:04,189 --> 00:33:05,880
and hands him to me
to shut me up.

779
00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:09,021
Hands you to me.
So, I'm holding my wet son

780
00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:11,886
in my arms, loving him,
and that's what happened.

781
00:33:12,024 --> 00:33:13,508
And then, we were at Woodstock,
and that's why you came

782
00:33:13,646 --> 00:33:15,717
to Woodstock, 'cause you
were such a young baby.

783
00:33:18,582 --> 00:33:21,758
[man] Can those of you
in the back hear well?

784
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:26,073
The warning
that I've received,

785
00:33:26,211 --> 00:33:28,247
the brown acid
that is circulating around us

786
00:33:28,385 --> 00:33:30,594
is not specifically too good.

787
00:33:32,838 --> 00:33:34,081
[Justin] My dad's form
of babysitting

788
00:33:34,219 --> 00:33:36,255
was having me sit
on the drum riser behind him

789
00:33:36,393 --> 00:33:37,877
while he played.

790
00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,914
[Taylor] Your dad probably
loved it, 'cause you know,

791
00:33:40,052 --> 00:33:41,605
it's nice to see
your little one down there.

792
00:33:41,743 --> 00:33:43,745
You know, my-- look at how
my little girl is down there,

793
00:33:43,883 --> 00:33:46,369
and my-- yeah, my boy

794
00:33:46,507 --> 00:33:48,198
peeking his head up
over my monitor.

795
00:33:48,336 --> 00:33:49,579
[Bill] I liked it,
'cause I thought

796
00:33:49,717 --> 00:33:50,959
you'd probably be interested
in what I was doing

797
00:33:51,098 --> 00:33:52,444
and what
the whole band was doing.

798
00:33:52,582 --> 00:33:54,135
When you were sitting
right there, it was good.

799
00:33:56,758 --> 00:33:58,036
[Justin] As I watch them
rehearsing

800
00:33:58,174 --> 00:33:59,554
for these final shows,

801
00:33:59,692 --> 00:34:01,901
I couldn't help
but feel nostalgic.

802
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,835
I was 45 years old now
with children of my own,

803
00:34:04,973 --> 00:34:06,458
and I found myself sitting
on the drum riser

804
00:34:06,596 --> 00:34:07,907
behind my dad again,

805
00:34:08,045 --> 00:34:09,357
watching him and Mickey
trade stories,

806
00:34:09,495 --> 00:34:10,772
just like when I was a kid.

807
00:34:10,909 --> 00:34:13,085
[Mickey] I hate to bring up
bad memories,

808
00:34:13,223 --> 00:34:15,777
but remember-- was it
Mrs. Kreutzmann the third?

809
00:34:15,915 --> 00:34:18,228
We were up all night
playing drums,

810
00:34:18,366 --> 00:34:19,643
and in the morning
it was just me and you

811
00:34:19,781 --> 00:34:21,576
in the living room?

812
00:34:21,714 --> 00:34:23,647
And I said to you,
"Don't you think--"

813
00:34:23,784 --> 00:34:25,235
this is your wedding night--

814
00:34:25,373 --> 00:34:27,134
"Don't you think
we should stop drumming

815
00:34:27,272 --> 00:34:29,583
and you should go
see your wife?"

816
00:34:29,722 --> 00:34:31,172
Remember?
And we drummed all night.

817
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:32,898
- And it's in the morning.
- That's how we are.

818
00:34:33,036 --> 00:34:34,934
Wow, man.

819
00:34:35,072 --> 00:34:36,591
Hey, have him turn your mic
down a little bit.

820
00:34:36,728 --> 00:34:39,284
- Okay.
- It's a little bit loud.

821
00:34:39,422 --> 00:34:41,768
[music]

822
00:34:45,013 --> 00:34:47,085
I need an extra ticket.

823
00:34:52,331 --> 00:34:54,471
[Reya Hart] I used to be a lot
more sentimental about it.

824
00:34:54,609 --> 00:34:56,679
When we were in that era
of Fare Thee Well

825
00:34:56,818 --> 00:34:59,166
and everything felt like
it was coming to a close,

826
00:34:59,304 --> 00:35:01,444
and this was gonna be the last
time we heard this music,

827
00:35:01,582 --> 00:35:02,997
it was an emotional
rollercoaster,

828
00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:04,792
and there was a lot
of sentimentality about it.

829
00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:07,657
[woman] Whoo!
There's Mickey!

830
00:35:07,795 --> 00:35:09,417
- [Mickey] They're my groupies!
- Mickey!

831
00:35:09,555 --> 00:35:11,799
Hey, Mickey!

832
00:35:11,937 --> 00:35:14,526
- They're older now, but...
- [Justin laughing]

833
00:35:14,664 --> 00:35:16,355
[Reya] It was crazier as a kid

834
00:35:16,493 --> 00:35:19,531
to try and make sense
out of our whole world there.

835
00:35:19,669 --> 00:35:21,395
I mean, I have moments now
where like, you know,

836
00:35:21,533 --> 00:35:22,913
"He's Gone,"
or something like that

837
00:35:23,051 --> 00:35:25,399
that has like a personal
connection to me,

838
00:35:25,537 --> 00:35:29,230
where I, like, suddenly
am transported into that place

839
00:35:29,368 --> 00:35:30,783
where you feel like
a little kid again.

840
00:35:30,921 --> 00:35:32,371
Hart.

841
00:35:32,509 --> 00:35:34,477
Here we are
for the last time.

842
00:35:34,615 --> 00:35:36,375
I won't be bugging you
anymore with...

843
00:35:36,513 --> 00:35:37,928
The last time
until the next time.

844
00:35:38,066 --> 00:35:39,827
[Mickey] Next time.

845
00:35:39,965 --> 00:35:41,311
[Stephen P.] When you hear
that the Dead

846
00:35:41,449 --> 00:35:46,247
are together playing,
even though members are gone,

847
00:35:46,385 --> 00:35:52,426
it is the song,
and the sound is still there.

848
00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:56,326
It was a real night for me,
a real Grateful Dead night.

849
00:35:56,464 --> 00:36:00,606
And then, of course,
to see another drummer,

850
00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:02,988
and you wonder how he does it,
and you go home and practice.

851
00:36:03,126 --> 00:36:05,853
And so, as a 51-year-old,

852
00:36:05,991 --> 00:36:08,545
what is still gonna
make me work hard?

853
00:36:08,683 --> 00:36:10,685
Other drummers.

854
00:36:10,823 --> 00:36:13,205
Drummers teach other drummers.

855
00:36:13,343 --> 00:36:15,034
We learn from
each other's techniques,

856
00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:17,071
and the good stuff,
we pick up,

857
00:36:17,209 --> 00:36:19,004
and we start,
you know, playing 'em.

858
00:36:19,142 --> 00:36:21,558
And if it feels good,
we learn.

859
00:36:21,696 --> 00:36:24,112
If not, we just let it go.

860
00:36:24,251 --> 00:36:25,907
Yeah.
Try it faster.

861
00:36:28,082 --> 00:36:30,636
Mickey Hart taught me
how to do the...

862
00:36:30,774 --> 00:36:33,294
[singing drum rhythm]
And you can't do that.

863
00:36:33,432 --> 00:36:34,640
Because I was having trouble
with that.

864
00:36:34,778 --> 00:36:36,953
I was, you know, right, 13.

865
00:36:37,091 --> 00:36:41,026
He kinda schooled me how
to play that beat of Ringo's,

866
00:36:41,164 --> 00:36:42,752
and to turn it around
and get back into it,

867
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:44,098
'cause I was struggling.

868
00:36:48,723 --> 00:36:52,693
So, I'm 95% self-taught
in drumming.

869
00:36:52,831 --> 00:36:55,109
[sticks clicking,
music begins]

870
00:37:02,979 --> 00:37:05,292
When I was auditioning
for No Doubt

871
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:07,777
at 19 years old, I lied.

872
00:37:07,915 --> 00:37:09,848
I said I'd been playing
for eight years.

873
00:37:09,986 --> 00:37:11,470
I'd been playing for one.

874
00:37:11,608 --> 00:37:13,196
I didn't wanna be
the weak link.

875
00:37:13,334 --> 00:37:15,336
That was never gonna happen.

876
00:37:15,474 --> 00:37:18,719
And so, I just focused
as hard as I possibly could.

877
00:37:18,857 --> 00:37:21,169
I just went straight
tunnel vision,

878
00:37:21,308 --> 00:37:23,620
I'm gonna make this right,
and I'm gonna be as good

879
00:37:23,758 --> 00:37:25,415
as I can fucking possibly be
for this band.

880
00:37:27,175 --> 00:37:30,489
And on the drums,
Mr. Adrian Young.

881
00:37:30,627 --> 00:37:32,767
[cheers and applause]

882
00:37:32,905 --> 00:37:35,287
[music]

883
00:37:39,291 --> 00:37:41,293
[Mickey] So, grouping
is really important.

884
00:37:41,431 --> 00:37:42,777
That's why there's
the Grateful Dead,

885
00:37:42,915 --> 00:37:44,572
that's why
there's the Rolling Stones.

886
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:46,678
That's why there are bands,

887
00:37:46,816 --> 00:37:49,750
because bands allow--
band head.

888
00:37:49,888 --> 00:37:54,272
You're allowed to come together
in rhythm as one

889
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:57,447
and deliver
a powerful sonic punch.

890
00:37:57,585 --> 00:38:00,485
So, that's what we do
as drummers.

891
00:38:00,623 --> 00:38:03,039
[music]

892
00:38:08,769 --> 00:38:12,773
People who are coded for,
that's in their DNA,

893
00:38:12,911 --> 00:38:14,947
the thing
that makes them whole,

894
00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:18,019
things that make them happy,

895
00:38:18,157 --> 00:38:20,056
these are the people
that I take from.

896
00:38:20,194 --> 00:38:23,197
And I can hear
a happy drummer,

897
00:38:23,335 --> 00:38:27,028
or a powerful drummer,
or angry drummer.

898
00:38:27,166 --> 00:38:28,892
There's all kinds of drumming.

899
00:38:30,549 --> 00:38:32,931
Keith Moon
was a power drummer.

900
00:38:33,069 --> 00:38:35,002
He lasted just for a short bit.

901
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:38,937
He burned out--
drugs, booze.

902
00:38:39,075 --> 00:38:42,181
But Keith Moon,
top-of-the-line drummer.

903
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,838
He changed everything.

904
00:38:43,976 --> 00:38:45,875
[music]

905
00:38:49,775 --> 00:38:51,052
[John] Wild man.

906
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:53,883
I watched Keith
at the Isle of Wight.

907
00:38:54,021 --> 00:38:56,541
He conducted the drum set.

908
00:38:57,887 --> 00:38:59,854
Little pianissimo
for the tom-toms,

909
00:38:59,992 --> 00:39:01,684
and fortissimo!

910
00:39:01,822 --> 00:39:04,238
The most unique drummer
I've ever seen.

911
00:39:04,376 --> 00:39:06,344
Looks like he was gonna
fall into the kit.

912
00:39:06,482 --> 00:39:09,450
It was crazy.
And perfect.

913
00:39:09,588 --> 00:39:11,245
Wasn't Keith Moon the ultimate?

914
00:39:11,383 --> 00:39:14,421
I mean,
Keith blows up his drum set

915
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:15,905
on "The Smothers Brothers
Show."

916
00:39:16,043 --> 00:39:17,251
These guys were destroying
their instruments

917
00:39:17,389 --> 00:39:19,253
on live television.
Amazing.

918
00:39:22,912 --> 00:39:24,258
[cymbal crashing]

919
00:39:31,783 --> 00:39:35,545
Wow!
Oh my God!

920
00:39:35,683 --> 00:39:37,064
He actually kicked this.

921
00:39:38,859 --> 00:39:40,550
Look at this thing, man.

922
00:39:40,688 --> 00:39:43,588
Inside these bags
are Keith Moon's drums.

923
00:39:43,726 --> 00:39:46,349
Mandy Moon, his daughter,
just dropped them off.

924
00:39:46,487 --> 00:39:48,696
So, she went
to the Grammy Museum...

925
00:39:48,834 --> 00:39:50,318
- Holy crap, dude.
- ...and got these

926
00:39:50,457 --> 00:39:52,459
- out of the Grammy Museum.
- Wow.

927
00:39:52,597 --> 00:39:56,290
So, these are the shells
that were in the movie "Tommy."

928
00:39:56,428 --> 00:40:01,951
I love hearing about the early,
early, early Keith Moon,

929
00:40:02,089 --> 00:40:03,815
where he would get
on stage with those guys

930
00:40:03,953 --> 00:40:05,403
and just whip it up.

931
00:40:08,992 --> 00:40:10,304
- So yeah...
- Man, he played--

932
00:40:10,442 --> 00:40:11,616
even though he never
took a lesson.

933
00:40:11,754 --> 00:40:13,618
- He was just...
- Anything goes.

934
00:40:13,756 --> 00:40:15,205
[Stephen P.] He was an event.
He was a force.

935
00:40:15,343 --> 00:40:17,138
[Steven A.] He was exciting,
it was an event.

936
00:40:17,276 --> 00:40:19,106
He was every drummer in one.

937
00:40:19,244 --> 00:40:22,109
[Chad] He was the first drummer
that I ever heard

938
00:40:22,247 --> 00:40:25,423
put crashes
in the middle of fills.

939
00:40:25,561 --> 00:40:28,184
Most guys...
[imitating drum fill]

940
00:40:28,322 --> 00:40:30,669
Bang, right?
[continues imitating]

941
00:40:30,807 --> 00:40:32,533
And I was like...

942
00:40:33,603 --> 00:40:36,192
[Mandy Moon] I think
probably 99% of his personality

943
00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:37,435
went into his playing.

944
00:40:37,573 --> 00:40:39,333
It was just over the top.

945
00:40:39,471 --> 00:40:41,887
Keith got to express that,
you know, hugeness.

946
00:40:42,025 --> 00:40:44,269
My mom used to say he--
Keith was too big

947
00:40:44,407 --> 00:40:45,719
for this world.

948
00:40:45,857 --> 00:40:48,169
And I really do think
that the drums

949
00:40:48,307 --> 00:40:50,344
were the perfect vehicle
for him, and Keith just--

950
00:40:50,482 --> 00:40:52,415
like I said,
had that perfect storm

951
00:40:52,553 --> 00:40:55,004
of the personality,
and the talent,

952
00:40:55,142 --> 00:40:59,111
and this need to, you know,
get it out, the energy.

953
00:40:59,249 --> 00:41:01,666
And you know, and he loved
being in a band,

954
00:41:01,804 --> 00:41:03,564
that was his life.

955
00:41:03,702 --> 00:41:06,843
- [man] Do you love The Who?
- Very much.

956
00:41:06,981 --> 00:41:09,777
More than-- more than
I can say.

957
00:41:11,710 --> 00:41:13,747
And I love The Who's audience,

958
00:41:13,885 --> 00:41:17,371
because they are us.

959
00:41:17,509 --> 00:41:19,062
When I go on stage,
I let 'em know,

960
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,030
Jesus Christ,
I love this band.

961
00:41:21,168 --> 00:41:25,172
Just like our band,
all the elements of The Who

962
00:41:25,310 --> 00:41:26,932
fit like a glove.

963
00:41:28,796 --> 00:41:30,591
[overlapping chatter]

964
00:41:32,006 --> 00:41:34,043
The Singer Bowl, oh my God.

965
00:41:34,181 --> 00:41:36,424
Why did that happen?

966
00:41:36,563 --> 00:41:38,254
Were we opening for The Who,
or were they opening...?

967
00:41:38,392 --> 00:41:39,566
[Justin] No, they were
opening for you.

968
00:41:39,704 --> 00:41:40,877
They were opening for us.

969
00:41:42,879 --> 00:41:45,157
I don't know why
there was a riot,

970
00:41:45,295 --> 00:41:46,538
but there was a riot.

971
00:41:46,676 --> 00:41:48,057
People went nuts.

972
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:51,647
Something about The Doors

973
00:41:51,785 --> 00:41:53,545
was like, what--
the feeling was,

974
00:41:53,683 --> 00:41:55,547
"What the fuck's
gonna happen tonight?"

975
00:41:55,685 --> 00:41:58,136
[music]

976
00:42:02,727 --> 00:42:05,902
♪ You know the day
destroys the night ♪

977
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,249
♪ Night divides the day ♪

978
00:42:08,387 --> 00:42:11,252
♪ Try to run,
try to hide ♪

979
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:13,565
♪ Break on through
to the other side ♪

980
00:42:13,703 --> 00:42:16,257
♪ Break on through to
the other side ♪

981
00:42:16,395 --> 00:42:18,812
♪ Break on through
to the other side, yeah ♪

982
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:20,503
The Doors are kind of a band

983
00:42:20,641 --> 00:42:23,782
that causes major, like,
"Mmm," or "Yes."

984
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,854
And I got really into The Doors
when I was in high school.

985
00:42:26,992 --> 00:42:28,856
I read the books,
"No One Here Gets Out Alive."

986
00:42:28,994 --> 00:42:31,514
You know, I took acid,
I did the whole fucking thing.

987
00:42:31,652 --> 00:42:33,689
I bought the t-shirt,
you know,

988
00:42:33,827 --> 00:42:35,414
took the full fucking ride.

989
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:37,693
There's like no other band
like it.

990
00:42:37,831 --> 00:42:40,143
They didn't have a bass player,
there's this dork, like,

991
00:42:40,281 --> 00:42:42,525
hunched over a keyboard,

992
00:42:42,663 --> 00:42:44,354
and this sort of like
stoned-out guitar player,

993
00:42:44,492 --> 00:42:46,356
like, playing, like,
sort of surf licks.

994
00:42:46,494 --> 00:42:50,464
I think John Densmore
is an underrated drummer.

995
00:42:50,602 --> 00:42:52,673
He had the sensibility
of a jazz drummer,

996
00:42:52,811 --> 00:42:55,124
did the really good question,
answering kind of stuff

997
00:42:55,262 --> 00:42:58,230
that jazz musicians
tend to do with each other,

998
00:42:58,368 --> 00:43:00,405
and he would do it
with the singer.

999
00:43:00,543 --> 00:43:02,718
[John] Our lead singer
was kinda dangerous,

1000
00:43:02,856 --> 00:43:05,099
which was the attraction.

1001
00:43:05,237 --> 00:43:09,207
Live theater,
for an actor to keep it fresh,

1002
00:43:09,345 --> 00:43:10,691
they're always trying
to find something new.

1003
00:43:10,829 --> 00:43:12,935
Well, this guy,
it was new every night,

1004
00:43:13,073 --> 00:43:16,283
which was difficult,
but also exciting.

1005
00:43:16,421 --> 00:43:19,527
And sometimes
he'd be very subdued,

1006
00:43:19,666 --> 00:43:22,013
sometimes he'd be rolling
around like a snake.

1007
00:43:23,152 --> 00:43:26,949
I had a lot of fun just going
down the road with Jim.

1008
00:43:27,087 --> 00:43:29,848
♪ I found an island
in your arms ♪

1009
00:43:29,986 --> 00:43:32,817
♪ Country in your eyes ♪

1010
00:43:32,955 --> 00:43:35,716
♪ Arms that chained us,
eyes that lied ♪

1011
00:43:35,854 --> 00:43:37,925
♪ Break on through
to the other side ♪

1012
00:43:38,063 --> 00:43:41,032
♪ Break on through to
the other side ♪

1013
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:43,724
♪ Break on through,
break on through ♪

1014
00:43:43,862 --> 00:43:46,209
♪ Break on through,
break on through ♪

1015
00:43:46,347 --> 00:43:49,040
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ♪

1016
00:43:49,178 --> 00:43:52,802
♪ Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah ♪♪

1017
00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:54,321
[Taylor] I wonder
if Jim Morrison

1018
00:43:54,459 --> 00:43:56,323
knew how lucky he was
to have found that drummer.

1019
00:43:56,461 --> 00:43:58,774
- [Justin] Probably not.
- Probably not, I would say.

1020
00:43:58,912 --> 00:44:02,122
But I mean, they really were
fucking unique.

1021
00:44:02,260 --> 00:44:04,642
You know, self-destruction
and creativity

1022
00:44:04,780 --> 00:44:06,505
don't have to come
in the same package,

1023
00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:08,093
but sometimes they do.

1024
00:44:10,302 --> 00:44:13,512
[Steve F.] Robbie McIntosh,
just, he was a great guy,

1025
00:44:13,651 --> 00:44:16,654
and a really, really good
pocket drummer.

1026
00:44:16,792 --> 00:44:18,207
We were friends,
we used to hang out.

1027
00:44:18,345 --> 00:44:20,002
I used to go around
to his house.

1028
00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:22,660
And Robbie and Average
White Band came over

1029
00:44:22,798 --> 00:44:24,558
and were playing
at the Troubadour.

1030
00:44:24,696 --> 00:44:26,560
And there was a party
one night,

1031
00:44:26,698 --> 00:44:29,218
and I was invited
to that party,

1032
00:44:29,356 --> 00:44:31,841
but as fate would have it,
I had to go to work.

1033
00:44:31,979 --> 00:44:33,360
Next morning,
I got a phone call

1034
00:44:33,498 --> 00:44:35,880
from my drum tech,
and he called me up

1035
00:44:36,018 --> 00:44:37,191
and said, "Hey, man,
you know, Robbie's dead."

1036
00:44:37,329 --> 00:44:38,537
And I said,
"What, they're drunk?"

1037
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:40,850
He said, "No, no, no,
Robbie's dead."

1038
00:44:40,988 --> 00:44:42,749
This guy offered him
some cocaine,

1039
00:44:42,887 --> 00:44:45,372
and it was cocaine,
and it was cut with strychnine.

1040
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:47,892
Everybody else
got physically sick,

1041
00:44:48,030 --> 00:44:50,515
and he kept it inside of him,
it killed him.

1042
00:44:51,827 --> 00:44:53,552
It's that simple.

1043
00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:59,213
Even knowing what I knew
with my friend dying like that,

1044
00:44:59,351 --> 00:45:02,561
never stopped me from--
from another 20 years

1045
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:06,669
of-- being stupid, basically.

1046
00:45:06,807 --> 00:45:08,706
I've been in recovery now
for 26 years.

1047
00:45:08,844 --> 00:45:11,191
You can just tell all
the cautionary tales

1048
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:12,330
that you want,
nobody ever thinks

1049
00:45:12,468 --> 00:45:13,745
that that's gonna happen
to them.

1050
00:45:13,883 --> 00:45:16,127
"I got it down,
it's not gonna happen to me."

1051
00:45:16,265 --> 00:45:19,199
[cheers and applause]

1052
00:45:19,337 --> 00:45:21,788
[music begins]

1053
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:34,145
[Stephen P.] I really love
Ginger's playing.

1054
00:45:34,283 --> 00:45:35,802
The guts of Ginger Baker,

1055
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:38,218
it's like being punched
in the chest, you know?

1056
00:45:38,356 --> 00:45:39,840
[thumping]

1057
00:45:44,603 --> 00:45:47,123
I know he's a very strong
personality,

1058
00:45:47,261 --> 00:45:49,160
and you can hear that
in the drumming.

1059
00:45:49,298 --> 00:45:52,404
And that confidence,
and his way is the way.

1060
00:45:52,542 --> 00:45:53,958
There's no other way.

1061
00:45:54,096 --> 00:45:56,201
[Justin] You got to jam with--
didn't Ginger come here?

1062
00:45:56,339 --> 00:45:59,135
Ginger Baker
sat right there.

1063
00:45:59,273 --> 00:46:02,414
He played those drums
right in here,

1064
00:46:02,552 --> 00:46:04,313
and I got one minute.

1065
00:46:04,451 --> 00:46:05,935
Check it out on YouTube.

1066
00:46:06,073 --> 00:46:08,420
[drums playing]

1067
00:46:11,044 --> 00:46:13,425
[music]

1068
00:46:18,154 --> 00:46:19,880
There I am,
the moment has arrived

1069
00:46:20,018 --> 00:46:21,468
where I'm in a room
with Ginger Baker,

1070
00:46:21,606 --> 00:46:24,022
and I'm banging on some--
and ahh!

1071
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,507
I got-- I had the meter,
that part.

1072
00:46:26,645 --> 00:46:27,957
But where's the phrase?

1073
00:46:31,340 --> 00:46:33,135
And it wasn't till
looking back at the tapes later

1074
00:46:33,273 --> 00:46:34,964
that I realized...
[imitating drum beat]

1075
00:46:35,102 --> 00:46:36,897
Kinda Afrobeat thing going on.

1076
00:46:39,658 --> 00:46:42,938
You could write a thesis
just on his hi-hat work.

1077
00:46:51,532 --> 00:46:53,983
You see, this is what
separates the students

1078
00:46:54,121 --> 00:46:55,329
from the masters.

1079
00:46:55,467 --> 00:46:57,159
All that cool stuff?

1080
00:46:57,297 --> 00:47:00,541
He was doing cool stuff
with his foot.

1081
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,129
In fact, my drumming's
very weird.

1082
00:47:02,267 --> 00:47:04,891
I learned all the really
technical stuff first,

1083
00:47:05,029 --> 00:47:07,134
and then I had to come back
and learn the,

1084
00:47:07,272 --> 00:47:09,205
you know, the "buddilibups,"
you know, all those things.

1085
00:47:09,343 --> 00:47:10,551
And I never learned those,

1086
00:47:10,689 --> 00:47:13,175
I learned all the wild
polyrhythm triplet shit.

1087
00:47:16,695 --> 00:47:20,423
I wasn't really paying
attention to my dad's music.

1088
00:47:20,561 --> 00:47:22,046
You know, I mean,
I grew up

1089
00:47:22,184 --> 00:47:24,358
with gold discs
all over the house,

1090
00:47:24,496 --> 00:47:26,222
and my walls all different
colors,

1091
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,775
and every wall
in the house different.

1092
00:47:27,914 --> 00:47:29,536
So, I thought that was normal.

1093
00:47:29,674 --> 00:47:32,090
[man] What's your favorite
Who record?

1094
00:47:32,228 --> 00:47:33,643
Oh, that one.

1095
00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:37,337
Are they important
to you at all?

1096
00:47:37,475 --> 00:47:39,891
Do you think any less of me
because of them, you know?

1097
00:47:40,029 --> 00:47:41,859
Or did they sort of become me?

1098
00:47:43,826 --> 00:47:45,552
Have you seen my cats?

1099
00:47:45,690 --> 00:47:47,623
- No, I'd love to.
- Tremendous, follow me.

1100
00:47:47,761 --> 00:47:49,107
Morris?
[whistling]

1101
00:47:49,245 --> 00:47:51,109
[Mandy] I first started
realizing that perhaps,

1102
00:47:51,247 --> 00:47:53,387
you know, my dad was something
a little different,

1103
00:47:53,525 --> 00:47:55,907
by the way I was treated
by teachers most of the time.

1104
00:47:56,045 --> 00:47:59,221
I think it made me-- yeah,
I think it made me more shy,

1105
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:02,189
because when you're young
and people are asking you

1106
00:48:02,327 --> 00:48:04,951
a lot of questions, or seem
to want to look at you, or...

1107
00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:07,815
Some kids had a different
direction on it,

1108
00:48:07,954 --> 00:48:10,784
or take on it, that I think
they kind of shunned you

1109
00:48:10,922 --> 00:48:12,372
because of it,
it was sort of like,

1110
00:48:12,510 --> 00:48:14,063
that was just too much
and too weird.

1111
00:48:14,201 --> 00:48:16,065
So, you kind of felt
like an outsider,

1112
00:48:16,203 --> 00:48:18,240
no matter what,
to be honest.

1113
00:48:18,378 --> 00:48:21,450
I remember my teachers

1114
00:48:21,588 --> 00:48:23,521
when I was in school
coming up to me and saying,

1115
00:48:23,659 --> 00:48:26,248
"Hey, I think your dad played
on this George Harrison album,

1116
00:48:26,386 --> 00:48:28,629
or this John Lennon album,
or 'Dream Weaver.'"

1117
00:48:28,767 --> 00:48:30,666
Wow, okay, did he really?

1118
00:48:30,804 --> 00:48:32,012
And I didn't even
know that either,

1119
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:33,600
you know, so I was kind of
growing up--

1120
00:48:33,738 --> 00:48:35,533
you know, I had
to catch up with that.

1121
00:48:35,671 --> 00:48:37,949
You know, and it evolved

1122
00:48:38,087 --> 00:48:40,607
into, wow, yeah,
Dad is really a famous guy.

1123
00:48:40,745 --> 00:48:43,472
I mean, he's played on
a lot of these,

1124
00:48:43,610 --> 00:48:45,784
you know, amazing tracks.

1125
00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:48,442
We're all fans up here.

1126
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,343
I know my dad was in the band,
but listen, when I was a kid,

1127
00:48:52,481 --> 00:48:54,621
I was too close to it.

1128
00:48:54,759 --> 00:48:57,693
You got it
way before I did, probably.

1129
00:48:57,831 --> 00:48:59,350
When your dad's in the band,

1130
00:48:59,488 --> 00:49:00,972
you're kinda like,
"Yeah, whatever.

1131
00:49:02,767 --> 00:49:04,458
It's not like you were in
the Beatles."

1132
00:49:04,596 --> 00:49:06,771
[laughter]

1133
00:49:06,909 --> 00:49:10,637
I did say that to him.
I was a bad teenager.

1134
00:49:10,775 --> 00:49:11,949
I said, "You want
to impress me, Dad?

1135
00:49:12,087 --> 00:49:13,433
You take me to see
The Police."

1136
00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:16,263
I wanted to go
and see The Police

1137
00:49:16,401 --> 00:49:18,956
when I was like 12, 13.

1138
00:49:19,094 --> 00:49:22,683
And he instantly got tickets
and then got us backstage.

1139
00:49:22,821 --> 00:49:24,616
So, I knew he had some pull.

1140
00:49:24,754 --> 00:49:27,240
Sting's cool.

1141
00:49:27,378 --> 00:49:30,001
Stewart Copeland's better.

1142
00:49:30,139 --> 00:49:32,521
[music]

1143
00:49:34,764 --> 00:49:37,077
[overlapping chatter]

1144
00:49:40,149 --> 00:49:42,324
[Taylor] My brother
handed me The Police,

1145
00:49:42,462 --> 00:49:44,153
"Zenyatta Mondatta,"
and he goes,

1146
00:49:44,291 --> 00:49:47,191
"This is the best drummer in
the world right now," you know.

1147
00:49:47,329 --> 00:49:48,675
Which, he was right, actually.

1148
00:49:51,505 --> 00:49:54,715
[Adrian] What Stewart was doing
that was pretty awesome

1149
00:49:54,853 --> 00:49:59,513
was finding a way to mix
reggae and ska rhythms

1150
00:49:59,651 --> 00:50:02,551
in rock music,
and doing his own version

1151
00:50:02,689 --> 00:50:04,932
with, you know, chops coming
out of his ass.

1152
00:50:05,071 --> 00:50:06,831
He had it all,
and has it all.

1153
00:50:06,969 --> 00:50:08,177
People have tried
to emulate it,

1154
00:50:08,315 --> 00:50:10,110
and I'm one of 'em,

1155
00:50:10,248 --> 00:50:13,251
'cause he was such a mentor
and an idol of mine.

1156
00:50:13,389 --> 00:50:16,116
I thought, I should just
do this justice and just--

1157
00:50:16,254 --> 00:50:18,705
and try to play it the way
that I've been hearing it

1158
00:50:18,843 --> 00:50:19,878
since 1978.

1159
00:50:21,466 --> 00:50:23,365
[Stewart] I left America
when I was two months old

1160
00:50:23,503 --> 00:50:25,401
to Cairo, Egypt,
and didn't get back

1161
00:50:25,539 --> 00:50:26,713
till I was 18.

1162
00:50:26,851 --> 00:50:29,233
So, musically,
when you're that young,

1163
00:50:29,371 --> 00:50:31,373
it goes right into your DNA.

1164
00:50:31,511 --> 00:50:34,962
The cool thing is
that decades later,

1165
00:50:35,101 --> 00:50:36,964
there's this thing
called reggae.

1166
00:50:37,103 --> 00:50:41,762
And in the punk clubs in 1977,
it's all the thing.

1167
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:45,076
The only chill form of punk
was dub reggae.

1168
00:50:45,214 --> 00:50:48,562
It's still hostile,
it's still dark,

1169
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:50,564
but it's chill,
'cause punk music,

1170
00:50:50,702 --> 00:50:52,290
just, there's no punk
chill music.

1171
00:50:52,428 --> 00:50:54,499
The two things can't coexist.

1172
00:50:54,637 --> 00:50:55,914
And so, all the London bands

1173
00:50:56,053 --> 00:50:57,157
are trying
to figure out reggae,

1174
00:50:57,295 --> 00:50:59,746
a rhythm where there
is no one,

1175
00:50:59,884 --> 00:51:03,163
and the important beat,
the fulcrum is three.

1176
00:51:03,301 --> 00:51:05,614
Nothing, two, three,four...

1177
00:51:05,752 --> 00:51:07,167
Two, three,four.

1178
00:51:07,305 --> 00:51:11,654
That's a whole different
cognitive architecture.

1179
00:51:11,792 --> 00:51:14,657
Lucky for me,
the Baladi rhythm,

1180
00:51:14,795 --> 00:51:16,314
the country Arabic rhythm,

1181
00:51:16,452 --> 00:51:19,283
the foundation building blocks
of all Arabic music,

1182
00:51:19,421 --> 00:51:23,114
based on this...
[imitating drum beat]

1183
00:51:23,252 --> 00:51:25,565
"Duh, duh-duh, three, four.

1184
00:51:25,703 --> 00:51:28,188
Two, three, four,
nothing, two, three."

1185
00:51:28,326 --> 00:51:32,641
So, I've got this completely
comfortable in that zone.

1186
00:51:32,779 --> 00:51:37,542
And so, when Sting
started bringing songs in,

1187
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,441
and we're hearing
this cool dub,

1188
00:51:39,579 --> 00:51:42,099
and like, I'd like to get
whatever that mojo is,

1189
00:51:42,237 --> 00:51:44,480
we wanna get that
into our music somehow,

1190
00:51:44,618 --> 00:51:46,482
it just came really naturally.

1191
00:51:46,620 --> 00:51:49,002
[guitar playing]

1192
00:51:51,729 --> 00:51:53,696
[Slim Jim] The thing that first
attracted me to the drums

1193
00:51:53,834 --> 00:51:57,114
was probably Ringo,
who's my guy, you know.

1194
00:51:57,252 --> 00:51:58,391
I love him.

1195
00:51:58,529 --> 00:52:02,740
The idea of being
in some traveling gang

1196
00:52:02,878 --> 00:52:04,638
was really what appealed to me.

1197
00:52:04,776 --> 00:52:06,847
And when the Stray Cats
came together,

1198
00:52:06,985 --> 00:52:08,401
it felt like that gang,

1199
00:52:08,539 --> 00:52:10,299
it felt like--
not to compare, but it felt

1200
00:52:10,437 --> 00:52:12,163
like "Hard Day's Night"
or something.

1201
00:52:12,301 --> 00:52:15,062
It was like a little gang
that had their inside language,

1202
00:52:15,201 --> 00:52:18,100
and you were outsiders
amongst the public.

1203
00:52:19,446 --> 00:52:21,276
Yeah, who's your
favorite drummer?

1204
00:52:21,414 --> 00:52:23,830
My favorite drummer?
Um...

1205
00:52:23,968 --> 00:52:25,763
- Beside yourself.
- Ringo.

1206
00:52:25,901 --> 00:52:27,247
[cheers and applause]

1207
00:52:32,183 --> 00:52:35,428
Really, the most significant
moment I had with a drummer

1208
00:52:35,566 --> 00:52:37,740
in the studio
that was really life-changing,

1209
00:52:37,878 --> 00:52:39,432
was with Ringo Starr,

1210
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:42,020
who may be the most
underrated drummer

1211
00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:43,401
on the face of the Earth.

1212
00:52:43,539 --> 00:52:46,232
And I was handing out charts
to the musicians.

1213
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:47,578
I said, "You want a chart?"

1214
00:52:47,716 --> 00:52:50,132
He said, "No, show me
the lyrics."

1215
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:53,549
And... well, interesting, okay.

1216
00:52:53,687 --> 00:52:57,243
But he was-- he wanted to play
to the story.

1217
00:52:57,381 --> 00:52:59,106
[Chad] Ringo Starr is one
of the greatest drummers

1218
00:52:59,245 --> 00:53:01,350
of all time, in the greatest
band of all time,

1219
00:53:01,488 --> 00:53:02,800
in my opinion.

1220
00:53:02,938 --> 00:53:04,974
What he's known for, to me,

1221
00:53:05,112 --> 00:53:08,046
every Beatles song
feels good.

1222
00:53:08,185 --> 00:53:10,566
And that's the feel of it.

1223
00:53:10,704 --> 00:53:13,880
[Ringo] My dream,
which I had at 13,

1224
00:53:14,018 --> 00:53:17,228
was to play drums,
and which came true.

1225
00:53:17,366 --> 00:53:20,093
I am a musician,
but I am a drummer.

1226
00:53:20,231 --> 00:53:22,751
I was not interested in pianos.

1227
00:53:22,889 --> 00:53:24,546
My grandparents had a piano.

1228
00:53:24,684 --> 00:53:27,928
I just loved the drums.
It's just my instrument.

1229
00:53:28,066 --> 00:53:29,067
You know what I mean,
it's just,

1230
00:53:29,206 --> 00:53:30,414
that's what I want to play.

1231
00:53:30,552 --> 00:53:34,487
And you know, I put them
in a specific place

1232
00:53:34,625 --> 00:53:36,454
in my musical career

1233
00:53:36,592 --> 00:53:40,907
where I have sort of the style
I've always promoted,

1234
00:53:41,045 --> 00:53:43,081
which was play with the singer.

1235
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:44,945
But yeah, I'm a drummer.

1236
00:53:47,327 --> 00:53:48,915
And I would walk
around Liverpool

1237
00:53:49,053 --> 00:53:52,401
looking in music stores
just at the drums,

1238
00:53:52,539 --> 00:53:55,093
'cause we couldn't
afford them in those days.

1239
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:57,095
Anyway, my stepdad,
he bought me

1240
00:53:57,234 --> 00:53:59,719
the first kit of drums
which were like 20 dollars,

1241
00:53:59,857 --> 00:54:01,376
12 pound English.

1242
00:54:01,514 --> 00:54:03,585
Just started hitting them,
I had no lessons.

1243
00:54:03,723 --> 00:54:06,277
And it was lucky in those days

1244
00:54:06,415 --> 00:54:09,142
that if you had the instrument,
you were in the band.

1245
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,833
[laughing]
You know what I mean?

1246
00:54:10,971 --> 00:54:13,008
I couldn't get a job now,
but then, you know.

1247
00:54:13,146 --> 00:54:14,320
And the next-door neighbor,

1248
00:54:14,458 --> 00:54:15,666
Eddie Clayton,
he played guitar.

1249
00:54:15,804 --> 00:54:17,081
He's one of those guys
that could play anything.

1250
00:54:17,219 --> 00:54:19,256
And then my friend Roy
had an upright bass,

1251
00:54:19,394 --> 00:54:21,223
and we went out like that,
I had the snare.

1252
00:54:36,687 --> 00:54:39,655
So, it just unfolded
in its natural way

1253
00:54:39,793 --> 00:54:41,968
that I love the drums,
I got the drums,

1254
00:54:42,106 --> 00:54:44,142
I played through
the bands of Liverpool.

1255
00:54:46,593 --> 00:54:48,008
And you know where
I ended up,

1256
00:54:48,146 --> 00:54:50,252
in the best band in the land.

1257
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:52,219
[music]

1258
00:54:52,358 --> 00:54:55,464
♪ Back then long time ago
when grass was green ♪

1259
00:54:56,983 --> 00:55:00,297
♪ Woke up in a daze ♪

1260
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:04,473
[Don] And if you listen
to his playing--

1261
00:55:04,611 --> 00:55:05,750
you know what's
a great example,

1262
00:55:05,888 --> 00:55:08,166
is the Beatles song
"Something."

1263
00:55:08,305 --> 00:55:10,997
He's playing like where
a guitar player would play.

1264
00:55:11,135 --> 00:55:13,379
He's keeping the beat going,
he's keeping the time,

1265
00:55:13,517 --> 00:55:15,760
but it's very musical,

1266
00:55:15,898 --> 00:55:20,317
and he's interacting
with the singer.

1267
00:55:20,455 --> 00:55:22,077
And the singer's
telling the story.

1268
00:55:22,215 --> 00:55:24,804
And that's-- that's what
I think everybody

1269
00:55:24,942 --> 00:55:26,323
should be doing,
and that's what I think

1270
00:55:26,461 --> 00:55:28,359
the best drummers do.

1271
00:55:28,497 --> 00:55:32,363
♪ Caresses fleeced you
in the morning light ♪

1272
00:55:32,501 --> 00:55:35,918
[Chad] He came up with
such amazing drum parts,

1273
00:55:36,056 --> 00:55:38,404
whether it's
"Tomorrow Never Knows"

1274
00:55:38,542 --> 00:55:42,097
or "Come Together,"
I mean, a million beautiful,

1275
00:55:42,235 --> 00:55:46,273
unique, interesting drum parts
that are hooks to songs.

1276
00:55:46,412 --> 00:55:49,449
♪ Fab, doo-doo-doo-doo ♪

1277
00:55:49,587 --> 00:55:52,659
♪ Long time ago
when we was fab ♪

1278
00:55:54,489 --> 00:55:56,836
♪ Fab ♪

1279
00:55:56,974 --> 00:55:59,873
I was born left-handed,
but my grandma

1280
00:56:00,011 --> 00:56:02,428
thought I was possessed
by the devil.

1281
00:56:02,566 --> 00:56:05,776
And so, I can write--
I write with my right hand.

1282
00:56:05,914 --> 00:56:08,399
But that's all I do,
so you know,

1283
00:56:08,537 --> 00:56:10,643
I saw a kit,
I got a kit, we set it up

1284
00:56:10,781 --> 00:56:12,990
in the right-handed way,
and I just got on 'em,

1285
00:56:13,128 --> 00:56:15,579
and that's how I play 'em.

1286
00:56:15,717 --> 00:56:20,135
To go down the toms, you'd have
to cross over like that.

1287
00:56:20,273 --> 00:56:22,344
But it was kinda backwards,
and it would limit him

1288
00:56:22,482 --> 00:56:24,760
to doing these kind of beats.

1289
00:56:24,898 --> 00:56:26,693
[Ringo] So, if you listen
to anything I've done,

1290
00:56:26,831 --> 00:56:28,695
"da-da-da-da-da,"
there's always like a gap

1291
00:56:28,833 --> 00:56:31,077
to get into the fill.

1292
00:56:31,215 --> 00:56:33,769
And everyone's saying,
"Oh, wow, how does he do that?"

1293
00:56:33,907 --> 00:56:35,806
Well, only out of necessity.

1294
00:56:35,944 --> 00:56:39,499
And when he'd do his fill,
he wouldn't do it from here.

1295
00:56:39,637 --> 00:56:42,813
He would do it...
from here, backwards.

1296
00:56:42,951 --> 00:56:44,159
From the floor to the tom,

1297
00:56:44,297 --> 00:56:45,678
and I just thought
that was so cool,

1298
00:56:45,816 --> 00:56:47,300
'cause it was, you know,

1299
00:56:47,438 --> 00:56:48,784
something nobody else
was doing.

1300
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:53,306
[Chad] I was fortunate to be
in a charity photoshoot

1301
00:56:53,444 --> 00:56:54,963
with him and a bunch
of other drummers.

1302
00:56:55,101 --> 00:56:57,379
And Ringo was there
at the shoot.

1303
00:56:57,517 --> 00:56:59,312
Super nice, and just,
"Hey, nice--

1304
00:56:59,450 --> 00:57:01,107
thank you for coming,"
and I'm just like...

1305
00:57:01,245 --> 00:57:02,833
[stammering]

1306
00:57:02,971 --> 00:57:04,662
When you meet a Beatle,
you know,

1307
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,838
I don't get starstruck
that often, but you're like...

1308
00:57:07,976 --> 00:57:10,530
You're like out of your body
a little bit, you know.

1309
00:57:10,668 --> 00:57:11,980
Then the director said,
"Could you play

1310
00:57:12,118 --> 00:57:13,360
one of Ringo's beats?"

1311
00:57:13,499 --> 00:57:15,535
And I'm like, okay, sure.

1312
00:57:15,673 --> 00:57:18,365
And he's, like, sitting behind
in the garden there,

1313
00:57:18,504 --> 00:57:20,367
you know, with his wife.

1314
00:57:20,506 --> 00:57:24,302
So, I'm...
[imitating drum beat]

1315
00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:26,166
I stop, and I'm-- you know,
I'm still thinking like,

1316
00:57:26,304 --> 00:57:27,789
"Ringo Starr's behind me,
play this--" you know.

1317
00:57:27,927 --> 00:57:29,687
And he goes,
"That's not how it goes."

1318
00:57:29,825 --> 00:57:33,311
And I'm like... what?

1319
00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:35,624
He goes-- he goes,
"No, no, no.

1320
00:57:35,762 --> 00:57:38,144
I'm left-handed.
Just the left, just the left."

1321
00:57:38,282 --> 00:57:40,526
And I did it like that,
you know, I'm like, oh, okay.

1322
00:57:40,664 --> 00:57:42,493
I got-- yeah, okay, cool.

1323
00:57:42,631 --> 00:57:44,461
You know, Ringo's telling me
how to play his own beats!

1324
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:46,324
I'm like, ahh!

1325
00:57:46,463 --> 00:57:48,361
And then later,
the director told me--

1326
00:57:48,499 --> 00:57:51,088
'cause at one point
he leaned over to his wife,

1327
00:57:51,226 --> 00:57:53,090
and he said,
"That's more notes

1328
00:57:53,228 --> 00:57:54,678
than I've ever played
in me life."

1329
00:57:54,816 --> 00:57:57,543
[laughing]
Like, yeah.

1330
00:57:57,681 --> 00:58:00,097
You know, it's Ringo Starr.

1331
00:58:01,650 --> 00:58:02,996
The greatest.

1332
00:58:03,134 --> 00:58:04,446
[man] Yes.

1333
00:58:04,584 --> 00:58:06,655
I just wanna do one thing
for my son.

1334
00:58:13,144 --> 00:58:14,421
Whoo!

1335
00:58:15,802 --> 00:58:17,597
- Thank you.
- [cheers]

1336
00:58:17,735 --> 00:58:20,566
I don't do fills,
so it's our loss.

1337
00:58:20,704 --> 00:58:22,533
[Jason] Ringo's story
was the one

1338
00:58:22,671 --> 00:58:24,431
that my dad had never told me.

1339
00:58:24,570 --> 00:58:27,158
So...
[laughing]

1340
00:58:27,296 --> 00:58:30,748
Ringo goes,
"Yeah, your dad

1341
00:58:30,886 --> 00:58:34,683
"would call me up from LAX

1342
00:58:34,821 --> 00:58:37,893
and tell me that
he was on his way."

1343
00:58:38,031 --> 00:58:39,930
And he goes, "And your dad
had this habit

1344
00:58:40,068 --> 00:58:41,828
"of throwing me
in my own pool.

1345
00:58:43,623 --> 00:58:47,316
I mean, he was a big lad,"
he goes, "I couldn't stop him.

1346
00:58:47,454 --> 00:58:50,043
So, I started
to dress for it."

1347
00:58:50,181 --> 00:58:54,945
And so, Ringo would change
his outfit quickly

1348
00:58:55,083 --> 00:58:56,878
'cause he'd know
Bonzo was coming.

1349
00:58:57,016 --> 00:58:59,363
[cheers and applause]

1350
00:59:01,676 --> 00:59:04,437
Ladies and gentlemen,
I'm sitting beside a guy

1351
00:59:04,575 --> 00:59:08,441
who is possibly the best
rock and roll drummer on Earth.

1352
00:59:08,579 --> 00:59:10,236
Would you agree with that?

1353
00:59:10,374 --> 00:59:11,548
No, not really.

1354
00:59:12,928 --> 00:59:14,067
I'm sure you would agree
with that, John.

1355
00:59:14,205 --> 00:59:15,413
Not at all.

1356
00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:17,657
No, he doesn't agree
with that at all.

1357
00:59:17,795 --> 00:59:19,659
Yeah, and by the way,
in the film there,

1358
00:59:19,797 --> 00:59:21,385
I noticed your son's
a pretty heavy drummer.

1359
00:59:21,523 --> 00:59:24,319
Jason, isn't it?
Are you envious?

1360
00:59:24,457 --> 00:59:26,804
- [John] Yes.
- [laughter]

1361
00:59:26,942 --> 00:59:30,325
- Is he better than you?
- Could be.

1362
00:59:30,463 --> 00:59:33,224
On that cheery note,
ladies and gentlemen...

1363
00:59:34,916 --> 00:59:37,090
[Jason] So, in reality,
Dad was normal.

1364
00:59:38,367 --> 00:59:40,646
So, it wasn't until I came to--
I actually came to Florida,

1365
00:59:40,784 --> 00:59:43,959
Tampa, '77, when they broke
the Guinness Book of Records

1366
00:59:44,097 --> 00:59:47,618
at the time, and there was like
89,000 people there.

1367
00:59:47,756 --> 00:59:51,311
And I remember asking Dad
who else was playing.

1368
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:55,005
And he went, "No, just us."

1369
00:59:55,143 --> 00:59:59,319
And I was like... what?
Really?

1370
01:00:00,942 --> 01:00:03,565
Okay.
If you think so.

1371
01:00:03,703 --> 01:00:05,291
You know, and I was 11.

1372
01:00:05,429 --> 01:00:08,501
I didn't kinda--
I didn't get it.

1373
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:10,020
But as a-- you know,
the harnessing--

1374
01:00:10,158 --> 01:00:11,504
well, you know.

1375
01:00:11,642 --> 01:00:15,612
When it's-- when you don't
know any different,

1376
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:17,855
it's just Dad.

1377
01:00:17,993 --> 01:00:20,547
He wasn't the rock star
at home, put it that way.

1378
01:00:20,686 --> 01:00:24,862
He was the everyday guy.
He was Dad.

1379
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,382
And when you only
know him as Dad,

1380
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:32,525
you didn't do your homework,
that was it, off to your room.

1381
01:00:32,663 --> 01:00:34,009
So, as my friends go,

1382
01:00:34,147 --> 01:00:36,667
"Not so cool for
a rock-and-roll dad, really."

1383
01:00:39,912 --> 01:00:41,499
[Justin] It had been 20 years
since I'd seen

1384
01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:43,605
my rock-and-roll dad
play a stadium show.

1385
01:00:45,089 --> 01:00:46,884
It was amazing to see
how much the music

1386
01:00:47,022 --> 01:00:50,405
still affected both the fans
and other musicians.

1387
01:00:50,543 --> 01:00:52,959
[music]

1388
01:00:59,863 --> 01:01:01,278
[Don] I was not like
a Deadhead

1389
01:01:01,416 --> 01:01:02,659
and drove from show to show,

1390
01:01:02,797 --> 01:01:04,833
but I saw them play,
like, in the '60s.

1391
01:01:04,971 --> 01:01:08,388
And I was blown away,
because I was a jazz fan.

1392
01:01:08,526 --> 01:01:12,185
And I could see that
what they were doing,

1393
01:01:12,323 --> 01:01:15,016
it had different--
the rhythms were different,

1394
01:01:15,154 --> 01:01:18,398
but the spirit of improvisation
was identical.

1395
01:01:18,536 --> 01:01:21,574
[Taylor] And so,
I saw them once.

1396
01:01:21,712 --> 01:01:23,714
At first, I was like,
what's going on?

1397
01:01:23,852 --> 01:01:25,440
And everyone's like, you know,

1398
01:01:25,578 --> 01:01:27,580
passing food around
to each other,

1399
01:01:27,718 --> 01:01:29,893
and like, the song's
kind of starting,

1400
01:01:30,031 --> 01:01:31,860
but have they even started
the fucking song yet?

1401
01:01:31,998 --> 01:01:34,173
They're like, jamming.
Is everyone on stage yet?

1402
01:01:34,311 --> 01:01:36,002
I mean, like,
everyone's throwing energy,

1403
01:01:36,140 --> 01:01:37,245
and you know,
passing each other

1404
01:01:37,383 --> 01:01:38,729
doobies and shit.

1405
01:01:38,867 --> 01:01:40,938
And I'm like, oh, okay,
they don't know

1406
01:01:41,076 --> 01:01:42,595
how they're gonna
start this song.

1407
01:01:42,733 --> 01:01:46,323
They just do this, like,
improvisational jazz thing.

1408
01:01:46,461 --> 01:01:48,463
And that got me good.

1409
01:01:48,601 --> 01:01:51,259
Now, whether I'm gonna
say I'm a huge Deadhead,

1410
01:01:51,397 --> 01:01:53,123
not gonna say
I'm a huge Deadhead.

1411
01:01:53,261 --> 01:01:58,542
But I love the chances
they were taking

1412
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:00,647
the whole time.

1413
01:02:00,786 --> 01:02:02,995
Three days after that show
I had to go to Europe

1414
01:02:03,133 --> 01:02:05,963
to do a two-week tour
with the Foo Fighters,

1415
01:02:06,101 --> 01:02:08,483
and I just started, like,
taking a lot more chances,

1416
01:02:08,621 --> 01:02:10,140
and I had some
of the best shows

1417
01:02:10,278 --> 01:02:13,384
I've had in a long time,
if not ever.

1418
01:02:13,522 --> 01:02:16,767
I kept saying to Dave,
our singer,

1419
01:02:16,905 --> 01:02:18,596
and our fearless leader,
Dave Grohl,

1420
01:02:18,735 --> 01:02:21,323
I just kept going,
fucking Dead show, man.

1421
01:02:21,461 --> 01:02:22,773
I'm telling you, dude.

1422
01:02:22,911 --> 01:02:24,913
It took me to new heights.
I saw something.

1423
01:02:25,051 --> 01:02:26,915
[Justin] You'll never get him
to a Dead show.

1424
01:02:27,053 --> 01:02:28,365
No, I'll never get
Dave Grohl to a Dead show,

1425
01:02:28,503 --> 01:02:30,091
it's never gonna happen,
I can't imagine.

1426
01:02:30,229 --> 01:02:33,957
But it really did--
it really did kind of--

1427
01:02:34,095 --> 01:02:36,097
I got it.

1428
01:02:36,235 --> 01:02:37,754
If you wanna see it work,

1429
01:02:37,892 --> 01:02:39,134
if you wanna see
a situation work

1430
01:02:39,272 --> 01:02:40,549
that doesn't
have any leader,

1431
01:02:40,687 --> 01:02:42,137
that doesn't have any plan,

1432
01:02:42,275 --> 01:02:44,657
or doesn't-- and is
utterly formless, really,

1433
01:02:44,795 --> 01:02:48,143
from moment to moment,
then-- and you know,

1434
01:02:48,281 --> 01:02:49,627
you don't have to guess
about whether something

1435
01:02:49,766 --> 01:02:50,767
- like that will work.
- Yeah.

1436
01:02:50,905 --> 01:02:52,458
We have it,
and it's working.

1437
01:02:52,596 --> 01:02:53,873
We've learned to trust
each other to the point

1438
01:02:54,011 --> 01:02:55,944
of saying, well,
it's-- you know,

1439
01:02:56,082 --> 01:02:59,051
if Kreutzmann doesn't like it,
it's no good.

1440
01:02:59,189 --> 01:03:01,191
- Yeah, yeah.
- And that idea

1441
01:03:01,329 --> 01:03:03,676
comes from the idea
basically that no idea

1442
01:03:03,814 --> 01:03:06,334
really makes it
if you can't include everybody.

1443
01:03:06,472 --> 01:03:08,336
I got kicked out
of the school band.

1444
01:03:08,474 --> 01:03:09,716
You know, like I was in
the school band

1445
01:03:09,855 --> 01:03:12,271
percussion section,
but you know, I--

1446
01:03:12,409 --> 01:03:13,651
just, I was bored
to tears there.

1447
01:03:13,790 --> 01:03:14,825
You know, it was like--

1448
01:03:14,963 --> 01:03:16,378
I remember the theme
from "Rocky"

1449
01:03:16,516 --> 01:03:20,348
was, like, the big--
was the big song at the time.

1450
01:03:20,486 --> 01:03:22,660
I just didn't give a shit
about the theme from "Rocky."

1451
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,593
You know, I wanna go home
and learn, like, you know,

1452
01:03:24,731 --> 01:03:26,216
"Physical Graffiti."
[laughing]

1453
01:03:26,354 --> 01:03:29,150
Which, you know.

1454
01:03:29,288 --> 01:03:31,531
I mean, it was like,
ah, can we play, you know,

1455
01:03:31,669 --> 01:03:33,326
"Nobody's Fault But Mine,"
you know?

1456
01:03:36,226 --> 01:03:39,056
By the time I was in Phish,
you know, if it had been like,

1457
01:03:39,194 --> 01:03:41,403
"Well, we're just a straight
rock band, and it's all--"

1458
01:03:41,541 --> 01:03:44,717
you know, I don't know that
it would have stuck for me.

1459
01:03:48,514 --> 01:03:51,206
Like, Trey, as a songwriter,

1460
01:03:51,344 --> 01:03:56,418
you know, has a very curious
and open mind

1461
01:03:56,556 --> 01:03:59,387
about musical forms.

1462
01:03:59,525 --> 01:04:01,251
I could have ended up
with my best friend

1463
01:04:01,389 --> 01:04:03,080
being a songwriter who just--

1464
01:04:03,218 --> 01:04:05,186
it's all about-- you know,
like a Keith Richards guy,

1465
01:04:05,324 --> 01:04:09,362
"It's all about Chuck Berry,
and you know...

1466
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:12,055
don't stray from the path,"
you know.

1467
01:04:12,193 --> 01:04:13,746
Which again, there's nothing
wrong with that.

1468
01:04:13,884 --> 01:04:15,437
It's just, you know,

1469
01:04:15,575 --> 01:04:16,922
we'd still be friends today,
I'm sure,

1470
01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:18,544
but we might not be in
the same band, you know,

1471
01:04:18,682 --> 01:04:20,097
'cause he'd be yelling at me,
like, "Goddamn it,

1472
01:04:20,235 --> 01:04:21,927
put it on two and four,"
you know.

1473
01:04:22,065 --> 01:04:25,275
You know, so that--
that's just been

1474
01:04:25,413 --> 01:04:27,484
a really great stroke of luck

1475
01:04:27,622 --> 01:04:30,625
that, you know, the band
I ended up being in

1476
01:04:30,763 --> 01:04:34,732
for 35 years is--
we are all like-minded enough

1477
01:04:34,871 --> 01:04:37,494
and opposite-minded enough

1478
01:04:37,632 --> 01:04:41,567
that it kept us
all challenged.

1479
01:04:41,705 --> 01:04:42,948
[Bill] Do you like mangoes?

1480
01:04:43,086 --> 01:04:44,259
Is that one of your good ones,
do you know?

1481
01:04:44,397 --> 01:04:45,812
- You ever eat it?
- Whenever I think of mangoes,

1482
01:04:45,951 --> 01:04:47,573
I think of the scene from
"Apocalypse Now"

1483
01:04:47,711 --> 01:04:49,092
when he goes to get
the mango off the boat

1484
01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:51,128
- and the tiger comes out.
- Uh-huh.

1485
01:04:51,266 --> 01:04:52,578
Well, we don't
have tigers here.

1486
01:04:52,716 --> 01:04:53,786
I'm looking for the tiger,

1487
01:04:53,924 --> 01:04:55,098
is basically what
I'm trying to say.

1488
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:59,274
Since I wasn't connecting
with my dad through music,

1489
01:04:59,412 --> 01:05:01,414
I found something else.

1490
01:05:01,552 --> 01:05:03,416
And it all started
with "Apocalypse Now."

1491
01:05:05,108 --> 01:05:06,903
[Mickey] In 1978,
Francis Coppola

1492
01:05:07,041 --> 01:05:09,698
came to Winterland to see us.

1493
01:05:09,836 --> 01:05:13,254
And after the Rhythm Devils,
he came up to me

1494
01:05:13,392 --> 01:05:16,050
and he says, "I want my movie
to sound like that."

1495
01:05:16,188 --> 01:05:18,707
And so, we played
the percussion underscore

1496
01:05:18,845 --> 01:05:20,675
for "Apocalypse Now."

1497
01:05:20,813 --> 01:05:23,954
Francis wanted me to play
the whole movie,

1498
01:05:24,092 --> 01:05:25,611
not just scene by scene.

1499
01:05:25,749 --> 01:05:27,820
He wanted me to go up the river
in search of Kurtz.

1500
01:05:27,958 --> 01:05:30,029
And so, what we did,
Billy and I,

1501
01:05:30,167 --> 01:05:31,617
we went up the river.

1502
01:05:31,755 --> 01:05:33,446
So, I had monitors
all over the house,

1503
01:05:33,584 --> 01:05:35,000
in the bathroom,

1504
01:05:35,138 --> 01:05:37,002
in the living room,
the kitchen.

1505
01:05:37,140 --> 01:05:38,658
You know, every place
was another monitor

1506
01:05:38,796 --> 01:05:40,212
playing "Apocalypse Now,"

1507
01:05:40,350 --> 01:05:42,766
where every place I turn,
I could see it.

1508
01:05:42,904 --> 01:05:46,804
And I kinda conjured the sounds
that I was going to use,

1509
01:05:46,943 --> 01:05:48,496
because it was just a pass.

1510
01:05:48,634 --> 01:05:51,775
And of course,
the beam was napalm.

1511
01:05:51,913 --> 01:05:53,363
Beautiful napalm.

1512
01:05:53,501 --> 01:05:57,022
Nothing can make a sound
like napalm, like the beam.

1513
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,231
As soon as Francis heard it,
he's like, "That's it!"

1514
01:05:59,369 --> 01:06:01,785
[music]

1515
01:06:09,137 --> 01:06:10,897
He said, "I spent a quarter
of a million dollars,

1516
01:06:11,036 --> 01:06:12,382
"and I couldn't get that sound,

1517
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,453
and now you did it
in 15 seconds."

1518
01:06:14,591 --> 01:06:16,144
Well, Francis, I had
the right instrument

1519
01:06:16,282 --> 01:06:17,180
at the right time.

1520
01:06:17,318 --> 01:06:19,630
[beam strumming]

1521
01:06:19,768 --> 01:06:21,839
That movie was more
than a movie.

1522
01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:23,980
Everybody was a part of it.

1523
01:06:24,118 --> 01:06:26,879
And it took a while,
and we were so devoted

1524
01:06:27,017 --> 01:06:28,743
to that movie, everybody--

1525
01:06:28,881 --> 01:06:31,677
Francis' crew,
Grateful Dead crew,

1526
01:06:31,815 --> 01:06:34,093
and Francis was trying
to make a movie

1527
01:06:34,231 --> 01:06:36,199
that depicted the horror.

1528
01:06:36,337 --> 01:06:39,443
And we were really into it
till the end.

1529
01:06:39,581 --> 01:06:43,861
And Francis became sick,
in a way,

1530
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,380
because of the movie.

1531
01:06:45,518 --> 01:06:49,039
At the very end, everybody was
kind of Kurtz-ed.

1532
01:06:49,177 --> 01:06:50,661
[Justin] The reason
I became a filmmaker

1533
01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:52,870
is watching you guys
put that movie together,

1534
01:06:53,009 --> 01:06:54,769
and being around Gio
and Francis.

1535
01:06:54,907 --> 01:06:57,254
And that movie-- thank you
for being involved in that,

1536
01:06:57,392 --> 01:06:58,945
'cause that movie
changed my life.

1537
01:06:59,084 --> 01:07:00,775
Yeah, me too,
it changed my life.

1538
01:07:00,913 --> 01:07:02,432
It changed everybody's life.

1539
01:07:02,570 --> 01:07:04,882
[music]

1540
01:07:07,023 --> 01:07:08,369
[Justin]
During "Apocalypse Now,"

1541
01:07:08,507 --> 01:07:10,233
my dad bought me my first
Super 8 camera,

1542
01:07:10,371 --> 01:07:12,062
and I started
shooting home movies.

1543
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,995
But my home was backstage.

1544
01:07:14,133 --> 01:07:16,135
I got you that camera
because my dad

1545
01:07:16,273 --> 01:07:17,930
had turned me on
to home video,

1546
01:07:18,068 --> 01:07:19,587
to little Super 8s, right?

1547
01:07:19,725 --> 01:07:21,692
And I know that we'd had
a lot of fun with that,

1548
01:07:21,830 --> 01:07:23,625
and you did those trick shots
of making people go backwards,

1549
01:07:23,763 --> 01:07:25,351
and you know,
reversing the film,

1550
01:07:25,489 --> 01:07:26,732
all that corny stuff.

1551
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:29,390
But back then
it was fun as hell.

1552
01:07:29,528 --> 01:07:31,012
And so, I got you a camera
'cause I thought

1553
01:07:31,150 --> 01:07:32,496
you'd be into it,
and you were.

1554
01:07:32,634 --> 01:07:34,153
I remember
we went out in the garage

1555
01:07:34,291 --> 01:07:35,568
and we did stop-action.

1556
01:07:35,706 --> 01:07:37,087
I showed you
how to do stop-action.

1557
01:07:37,225 --> 01:07:39,469
And you loved it.

1558
01:07:39,607 --> 01:07:41,126
[Justin] While the other kids
were having playdates

1559
01:07:41,264 --> 01:07:43,438
with their friends,
I was on tour with my dad

1560
01:07:43,576 --> 01:07:45,440
learning about movies
from Jerry Garcia.

1561
01:07:45,578 --> 01:07:48,547
[Bill] I was just always amazed
about how much you knew

1562
01:07:48,685 --> 01:07:49,996
at such a young age.

1563
01:07:50,135 --> 01:07:51,550
And Jerry could converse
all the time,

1564
01:07:51,688 --> 01:07:52,999
I was quite amazed.

1565
01:07:53,138 --> 01:07:54,967
Go through airports
talking movies all the time.

1566
01:07:55,105 --> 01:07:57,107
[man] Justin Kreutzmann,
the son of drummer

1567
01:07:57,245 --> 01:07:59,144
Bill Kreutzmann
were busy most of the day

1568
01:07:59,282 --> 01:08:02,457
interviewing people for
Justin's third video movie.

1569
01:08:02,595 --> 01:08:04,494
He's calling this movie
"The Dead Weekend."

1570
01:08:04,632 --> 01:08:06,427
The Dead kids.

1571
01:08:06,565 --> 01:08:08,498
[man] Among his interviews
were drummer Mickey Hart

1572
01:08:08,636 --> 01:08:10,362
and bassist Phil Lesh.

1573
01:08:10,500 --> 01:08:12,260
Well, they've been
working hard.

1574
01:08:12,398 --> 01:08:13,606
This has been
a hard-working crew,

1575
01:08:13,744 --> 01:08:15,608
and Justin--
oh, your camera's tipping.

1576
01:08:15,746 --> 01:08:17,127
- I know it is.
- It's okay, Justin.

1577
01:08:17,265 --> 01:08:19,923
This is how you work out
all the bugs, so they say.

1578
01:08:20,060 --> 01:08:24,928
♪ Ahh ♪

1579
01:08:25,066 --> 01:08:26,999
[Kofi] My whole life
I've been, like,

1580
01:08:27,136 --> 01:08:29,657
just like trying to make
my dad proud of me, right?

1581
01:08:29,795 --> 01:08:31,245
So, it's like you think,

1582
01:08:31,383 --> 01:08:33,729
"If I become
the best drummer possible,

1583
01:08:33,868 --> 01:08:35,627
"he can't not see that.

1584
01:08:35,765 --> 01:08:37,389
Like, he's gotta be able
to see that."

1585
01:08:37,527 --> 01:08:38,837
Of course,
I don't think it worked.

1586
01:08:38,975 --> 01:08:40,495
I think he was always like,
you know,

1587
01:08:40,633 --> 01:08:42,841
"You can't do that!"

1588
01:08:42,979 --> 01:08:46,398
I was doing the Cream stuff
more just to please people,

1589
01:08:46,536 --> 01:08:48,158
you know, for--
you know, I'm Ginger's son,

1590
01:08:48,296 --> 01:08:50,229
okay, I'll play some
Cream stuff for you.

1591
01:08:50,367 --> 01:08:55,372
But now, it's turned into
being more about

1592
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:57,167
keeping my dad's legacy alive.

1593
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:00,412
[Jason] So, all I wanna say
is welcome

1594
01:09:00,550 --> 01:09:02,483
to the Jason Bonham
Led Zeppelin Experience.

1595
01:09:02,621 --> 01:09:04,450
It's my way of telling him...

1596
01:09:05,796 --> 01:09:07,488
Yes, thank you.

1597
01:09:07,626 --> 01:09:10,698
For giving me a gift,
for making me play the drums

1598
01:09:10,836 --> 01:09:12,527
when I was younger,
and I didn't wanna play.

1599
01:09:12,665 --> 01:09:16,359
For me giving me
just that bloodline,

1600
01:09:16,497 --> 01:09:18,395
for just allowing me

1601
01:09:18,533 --> 01:09:20,707
to become something
that I wanna do.

1602
01:09:20,845 --> 01:09:25,229
My dad at one point
really thought

1603
01:09:25,368 --> 01:09:27,680
that I wasn't gonna play drums,

1604
01:09:27,818 --> 01:09:30,959
and that was the day
before I never saw him again.

1605
01:09:31,096 --> 01:09:33,548
He came into my room, and...

1606
01:09:33,685 --> 01:09:36,551
You know, it's one
of those conversations

1607
01:09:36,689 --> 01:09:40,072
that when I look back now,
I go, did that really happen?

1608
01:09:40,210 --> 01:09:43,144
Was that the last conversation?

1609
01:09:43,282 --> 01:09:44,559
And it was just
one of those things

1610
01:09:44,697 --> 01:09:47,734
where at that time,
I'd become very, very good

1611
01:09:47,872 --> 01:09:49,805
at racing dirt bikes.

1612
01:09:49,944 --> 01:09:52,809
So, I remember him actually,
you know, saying to me,

1613
01:09:52,947 --> 01:09:54,707
"You will start
playing the drums again.

1614
01:09:54,845 --> 01:09:57,262
Please, won't you, yeah?"

1615
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,884
He'd had a couple of drinks,
so I was like,

1616
01:09:59,022 --> 01:10:00,713
"Yeah, yeah, whatever, Dad,
yeah, yeah, shut up.

1617
01:10:00,851 --> 01:10:03,544
Of course, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah."

1618
01:10:03,682 --> 01:10:06,616
Just whatever,
go to sleep, or do whatever.

1619
01:10:08,342 --> 01:10:10,861
But yeah, and then, you know,
it was like he knew.

1620
01:10:10,999 --> 01:10:12,587
And then I never saw him again.

1621
01:10:22,287 --> 01:10:24,392
[Mandy] I didn't really
grow up with him around.

1622
01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:26,083
When we have fathers
on the road, we do--

1623
01:10:26,222 --> 01:10:28,085
you know, we miss out on that.

1624
01:10:28,224 --> 01:10:30,502
But they're doing their job,
I understand that.

1625
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:35,092
But the family life is,
you know, it was gonna suffer.

1626
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:37,198
It was-- you know,
going on the road is tricky.

1627
01:10:37,336 --> 01:10:39,235
It's still tricky today,
it's...

1628
01:10:39,373 --> 01:10:41,340
Leaving the family
was the hardest.

1629
01:10:41,478 --> 01:10:43,515
So, that's the problem of
being a traveling musician,

1630
01:10:43,653 --> 01:10:44,999
is you leave the family
at home.

1631
01:10:45,137 --> 01:10:47,450
It's not great.
So, it had to take some toll.

1632
01:10:47,588 --> 01:10:49,831
You had to let go,
you had to just--

1633
01:10:49,969 --> 01:10:51,488
like, when you were leaving,
you had to just let go

1634
01:10:51,626 --> 01:10:52,869
of all those feelings.

1635
01:10:53,007 --> 01:10:54,250
Okay, you had
to really concentrate

1636
01:10:54,388 --> 01:10:55,596
on playing the music.

1637
01:10:55,734 --> 01:10:57,149
It was hard.

1638
01:10:57,287 --> 01:10:59,669
It was always great
getting home and seeing you.

1639
01:10:59,807 --> 01:11:03,569
I had a lot of mixed emotions
when we had our first child,

1640
01:11:03,707 --> 01:11:06,779
and being the first No Doubt
band member to have a child,

1641
01:11:06,917 --> 01:11:08,954
because it was the first time
in my life

1642
01:11:09,092 --> 01:11:10,645
I wanted to focus
on something else

1643
01:11:10,783 --> 01:11:13,959
that needed my energy
more than the band.

1644
01:11:17,445 --> 01:11:19,758
My wife and my son
did come on the road with me,

1645
01:11:19,896 --> 01:11:21,449
but there were times
when they couldn't.

1646
01:11:21,587 --> 01:11:25,591
And it was really, really
hurting me inside my soul.

1647
01:11:25,729 --> 01:11:28,422
I had-- I had crazy--

1648
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:29,940
and I look back
on these thoughts,

1649
01:11:30,078 --> 01:11:31,701
they seem-- they feel
irrational now.

1650
01:11:31,839 --> 01:11:35,118
But I had thoughts like,
I think I need to stop

1651
01:11:35,256 --> 01:11:37,465
so I can do--
I can go be a dad.

1652
01:11:37,603 --> 01:11:40,710
Well, Eden, my son, understands

1653
01:11:40,848 --> 01:11:44,161
how music is good
for other people.

1654
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:47,406
So, he digs it that I go
and play-- I play gigs.

1655
01:11:47,544 --> 01:11:49,926
But it's painful to the point

1656
01:11:50,064 --> 01:11:53,723
where, what else
could I do with my life

1657
01:11:53,861 --> 01:11:56,657
to make sure I'm there
for my kid?

1658
01:11:56,795 --> 01:11:58,728
[Mandy] I didn't communicate
with Keith at all

1659
01:11:58,866 --> 01:12:01,006
when he was on the road,
and he was gone a lot.

1660
01:12:01,144 --> 01:12:03,180
And unfortunately,
when he was there,

1661
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:05,769
I found him to be a bit scary.

1662
01:12:05,907 --> 01:12:08,427
When we were living with Keith,
it was the unpredictability,

1663
01:12:08,565 --> 01:12:11,085
and that there were
violent outbursts.

1664
01:12:11,223 --> 01:12:13,674
As I mentioned, you know,
there was a lot of drinking,

1665
01:12:13,812 --> 01:12:17,056
and it just brought out
the worst in him,

1666
01:12:17,194 --> 01:12:20,405
and you know, has brought
out the worst in me.

1667
01:12:20,543 --> 01:12:23,062
So, like I said, I can
understand to some degree.

1668
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,514
But I'm afraid that that
really kind of overshadowed

1669
01:12:26,652 --> 01:12:29,206
a lot of the time
when he was at home.

1670
01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:31,070
So, you know, and now,
as a grown-up,

1671
01:12:31,208 --> 01:12:33,245
I wish, you know,
that hadn't been the case.

1672
01:12:33,383 --> 01:12:34,833
But when you're little,
you can't really control

1673
01:12:34,971 --> 01:12:36,317
the situation like that,
you know.

1674
01:12:36,455 --> 01:12:38,664
You just, you know,
do what you feel,

1675
01:12:38,802 --> 01:12:40,114
and you can't, you know, go,

1676
01:12:40,252 --> 01:12:41,736
"Oh, I'd like
to know him better."

1677
01:12:41,874 --> 01:12:43,635
It's just, it didn't work out
that way when I was little.

1678
01:12:47,052 --> 01:12:48,881
[Justin] Of all the things
that Dad and I have shared

1679
01:12:49,019 --> 01:12:51,608
over the years,
drug addiction was the hardest.

1680
01:12:51,746 --> 01:12:53,921
Growing up with the Dead,
drugs were everywhere.

1681
01:12:55,716 --> 01:12:57,649
But you know
you've pushed it too far

1682
01:12:57,787 --> 01:13:00,376
when you walk into a room
and Jerry Garcia

1683
01:13:00,514 --> 01:13:02,239
is leading
your drug intervention.

1684
01:13:04,449 --> 01:13:06,312
Why Jerry?
Dad couldn't be there

1685
01:13:06,451 --> 01:13:08,142
because he was in rehab
himself.

1686
01:13:12,422 --> 01:13:14,459
[Lisa Nelson] It makes me sad,
because I always think

1687
01:13:14,597 --> 01:13:17,979
of my dad as just playing
those drums every day,

1688
01:13:18,117 --> 01:13:19,567
even I guess
when he was drinking,

1689
01:13:19,705 --> 01:13:21,500
unless he was just
like dead-drunk.

1690
01:13:21,638 --> 01:13:26,091
I mean, I've always had
a special compassion for him,

1691
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:29,128
because I always knew
he was special.

1692
01:13:29,266 --> 01:13:31,648
I mean, just even when
I was a little girl, I--

1693
01:13:31,786 --> 01:13:34,548
you know, with him
losing his leg.

1694
01:13:41,693 --> 01:13:43,626
Then with his alcoholism.

1695
01:13:43,764 --> 01:13:47,181
You know, just like a lot
of relationships,

1696
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:50,874
we've had a lot of issues,
and we're the people we are

1697
01:13:51,012 --> 01:13:52,669
because of what
we were exposed to.

1698
01:13:54,188 --> 01:13:57,571
[Sandy] I was hooked
on codeine for pain.

1699
01:13:59,262 --> 01:14:01,782
That led to more drinking,
of course.

1700
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,129
But I wasn't really
a heavy drinker

1701
01:14:04,267 --> 01:14:06,442
before the accident, actually.

1702
01:14:09,341 --> 01:14:11,205
[Lisa] There's a lot of reasons
why people

1703
01:14:11,343 --> 01:14:12,724
get into drugs and alcohol,

1704
01:14:12,862 --> 01:14:15,071
and I mean, obviously one
of them is genetics,

1705
01:14:15,209 --> 01:14:19,455
which is definitely
in our family.

1706
01:14:22,941 --> 01:14:24,494
[Sandy] I became
a regular customer

1707
01:14:24,632 --> 01:14:27,463
at L.A. General Hospital detox,

1708
01:14:27,601 --> 01:14:32,502
and they had a prosthetic guy
come over with a test leg.

1709
01:14:34,987 --> 01:14:37,058
It was so uncomfortable,
I just took it off,

1710
01:14:37,196 --> 01:14:38,888
"I don't wanna wear that."

1711
01:14:39,026 --> 01:14:42,132
I looked over, there's this,
like, 12-year-old kid

1712
01:14:42,270 --> 01:14:45,584
with a big grin
with two artificial legs,

1713
01:14:45,722 --> 01:14:48,484
and he-- I thought, well,
if he can do it, I can do it.

1714
01:14:49,519 --> 01:14:51,832
So, that was a little
inspiration there.

1715
01:14:51,970 --> 01:14:54,351
[music]

1716
01:15:05,190 --> 01:15:07,572
♪ You stumble and fall ♪

1717
01:15:07,710 --> 01:15:10,885
I think working with Dad
strengthened our relationship.

1718
01:15:12,887 --> 01:15:15,372
You know, he trusted me,

1719
01:15:15,511 --> 01:15:18,444
and that trust, man,
really goes a long way.

1720
01:15:18,583 --> 01:15:20,930
[Jim] You know,
to be a drum tech

1721
01:15:21,068 --> 01:15:23,588
is a real specific gig,
you know.

1722
01:15:23,726 --> 01:15:25,659
And it's not for
the faint of heart.

1723
01:15:25,797 --> 01:15:27,074
Whew, yeah.

1724
01:15:27,212 --> 01:15:29,214
[Jim] To this day,
I think he remains

1725
01:15:29,352 --> 01:15:30,595
probably my best tech.

1726
01:15:30,733 --> 01:15:32,355
How'd I do?

1727
01:15:32,493 --> 01:15:33,874
What do you mean?
You mean on the tour?

1728
01:15:34,012 --> 01:15:35,876
- Yeah.
- Son, you're the best

1729
01:15:36,014 --> 01:15:38,085
- drum tech I ever had.
- All right.

1730
01:15:38,223 --> 01:15:39,535
- That's what I like to hear.
- I mean it.

1731
01:15:39,673 --> 01:15:41,053
I really mean it,
you understand?

1732
01:15:41,191 --> 01:15:42,676
Thank you.

1733
01:15:42,814 --> 01:15:44,712
And it's a lot different
than working

1734
01:15:44,850 --> 01:15:46,231
for just, you know,
employee-employer.

1735
01:15:46,369 --> 01:15:48,026
I mean, this is my dad,
and I'm working for him,

1736
01:15:48,164 --> 01:15:51,236
and so I really tried
extra hard to make him happy.

1737
01:15:51,374 --> 01:15:53,790
[cheers and applause]

1738
01:15:53,928 --> 01:15:55,240
[Jim] Oh God,
I gotta get ready.

1739
01:15:55,378 --> 01:15:58,105
- Here, okay, go, go.
- [Eric] Shit, sorry.

1740
01:15:58,243 --> 01:16:01,453
And it was good for me to know
where he was every night.

1741
01:16:01,591 --> 01:16:03,144
- [chuckles]
- Yeah.

1742
01:16:03,282 --> 01:16:05,319
Those were some kind of crazy--
we won't go into that.

1743
01:16:05,457 --> 01:16:08,391
But one of the reasons
why I had him out there with me

1744
01:16:08,529 --> 01:16:10,738
was because I could, you know,

1745
01:16:10,876 --> 01:16:12,257
kinda keep track
of where he was.

1746
01:16:12,395 --> 01:16:15,260
[Eric] When you're
driving straight,

1747
01:16:15,398 --> 01:16:17,780
it's against the law to weave
unless you're drunk,

1748
01:16:17,918 --> 01:16:19,333
under the influence of alcohol.

1749
01:16:19,471 --> 01:16:22,474
This is soda.
This is soda.

1750
01:16:24,614 --> 01:16:27,168
[man] Slow down, Eric.
Slow down.

1751
01:16:27,306 --> 01:16:28,584
Just like he said,
you know, in the beginning

1752
01:16:28,722 --> 01:16:30,724
it was a little rocky for me.

1753
01:16:30,862 --> 01:16:33,658
And, but you know what,
Dad never gave up on me,

1754
01:16:33,796 --> 01:16:38,110
and... you know, the bond
has never been stronger

1755
01:16:38,248 --> 01:16:40,250
- than it is today, man.
- Yeah, I could...

1756
01:16:40,388 --> 01:16:41,562
- And I thank him for that.
- I could never give up

1757
01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:42,770
on my number one, you know.

1758
01:16:47,223 --> 01:16:49,846
Every time I spoke to my dad,
I couldn't tell him anything.

1759
01:16:49,984 --> 01:16:51,261
He didn't wanna know
about my life,

1760
01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:52,573
he didn't give a shit.

1761
01:16:52,711 --> 01:16:54,333
And last time I saw him
in Colorado,

1762
01:16:54,471 --> 01:16:56,784
I said, "Dad, do you even care
about anything about me?"

1763
01:16:56,922 --> 01:16:58,303
'Cause he-- we had
this argument,

1764
01:16:58,441 --> 01:17:00,374
and he goes, "No."
And I was like, that's it,

1765
01:17:00,512 --> 01:17:02,825
and I just packed
my drums and left,

1766
01:17:02,963 --> 01:17:04,792
and didn't see him
until five or six years later.

1767
01:17:04,930 --> 01:17:07,553
♪ Come down off your throne ♪

1768
01:17:07,692 --> 01:17:11,178
♪ And leave your body alone ♪

1769
01:17:11,316 --> 01:17:13,007
I hope I don't get emotional,
'cause it's still a bit--

1770
01:17:13,145 --> 01:17:14,457
you know, sometimes I talk
about my dad,

1771
01:17:14,595 --> 01:17:15,838
I get a little bit emotional.

1772
01:17:15,976 --> 01:17:20,152
But my dad was kinda hiding
his real feelings,

1773
01:17:20,290 --> 01:17:22,327
from what I got
from the last time I saw him.

1774
01:17:22,465 --> 01:17:25,606
Because the last time I saw him
was really beautiful.

1775
01:17:25,744 --> 01:17:27,608
I actually got
to talk to my dad.

1776
01:17:27,746 --> 01:17:30,231
He didn't--
he didn't blow me off,

1777
01:17:30,369 --> 01:17:31,785
he actually listened to me.

1778
01:17:31,923 --> 01:17:34,132
Probably 'cause he couldn't
talk back much.

1779
01:17:34,270 --> 01:17:37,307
But I--
he kind of dropped his--

1780
01:17:37,445 --> 01:17:41,242
you know, his asshole-ness,
and gave me his real self.

1781
01:17:41,380 --> 01:17:44,245
So, I do know he cared.

1782
01:17:44,383 --> 01:17:45,971
You know, I mean,
it came across

1783
01:17:46,109 --> 01:17:47,663
in the last time
I was with him.

1784
01:17:47,801 --> 01:17:50,044
Again, I'm trying not
to get emotional here.

1785
01:17:50,182 --> 01:17:52,875
Still, you know,
it's only been a few weeks.

1786
01:17:55,912 --> 01:17:59,778
But you know, I did get
that closure with him,

1787
01:17:59,916 --> 01:18:02,125
where he actually gave me
what I needed,

1788
01:18:02,263 --> 01:18:04,541
which was, you know,
thank you, Dad,

1789
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:06,440
you know, you do appreciate
all the work,

1790
01:18:06,578 --> 01:18:07,855
and you do
appreciate my playing,

1791
01:18:07,993 --> 01:18:09,305
and you do like me,

1792
01:18:09,443 --> 01:18:11,238
you know, which was,
you know, really good.

1793
01:18:11,376 --> 01:18:14,379
♪ Somebody must change ♪

1794
01:18:14,517 --> 01:18:16,277
And then he died
Sunday morning.

1795
01:18:16,415 --> 01:18:18,624
And I had to play
a show that night.

1796
01:18:18,763 --> 01:18:20,696
You know, I had to do a gig,
and it was really hard

1797
01:18:20,834 --> 01:18:22,870
because I was really emotional.

1798
01:18:23,008 --> 01:18:25,597
And it was real--
I'm just, like,

1799
01:18:25,735 --> 01:18:28,048
crying my eyes out, you know,
trying to play this stuff,

1800
01:18:28,186 --> 01:18:30,360
and it was like,
it's really hard to play

1801
01:18:30,498 --> 01:18:32,121
when you're that emotional.

1802
01:18:32,259 --> 01:18:33,743
[Justin] 'Cause you're playing
Cream stuff, it's not like--

1803
01:18:33,881 --> 01:18:35,607
I mean, you're doing
your dad's material.

1804
01:18:35,745 --> 01:18:37,782
- Right!
- On like, the day he died.

1805
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,301
Yeah, and I was just like,
my drum solo, I was like...

1806
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,821
And I was trying to say stuff,
and I couldn't even--

1807
01:18:42,959 --> 01:18:45,859
I couldn't even get it out,
you know, it was pretty bad.

1808
01:18:45,997 --> 01:18:48,793
So, I was just like,
you know...

1809
01:18:48,931 --> 01:18:51,934
But at least I got
that little bit, you know.

1810
01:18:52,072 --> 01:18:54,108
But you know, as I was saying,

1811
01:18:54,246 --> 01:18:56,110
it was just, like, so hard,
'cause he died Sunday,

1812
01:18:56,248 --> 01:18:57,940
and I was a mess
for the rest of that tour.

1813
01:18:58,078 --> 01:19:00,666
I've been pretty much a mess
talking about it since,

1814
01:19:00,805 --> 01:19:03,635
but you know, I'll try to get
myself back together again.

1815
01:19:03,773 --> 01:19:07,984
[Justin] And this-- this film's
about being yourself.

1816
01:19:08,122 --> 01:19:10,642
This film is about our dads.

1817
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:14,750
♪ Can't find my way home ♪

1818
01:19:19,237 --> 01:19:22,171
[man] Two, three, four...

1819
01:19:22,309 --> 01:19:24,690
[music begins]

1820
01:19:26,278 --> 01:19:27,452
[Justin] I thought
my drug intervention

1821
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:28,764
was rock bottom,

1822
01:19:28,902 --> 01:19:30,144
but nothing compared
to losing Jerry

1823
01:19:30,282 --> 01:19:31,767
five years later.

1824
01:19:34,735 --> 01:19:36,116
[Bill] There was a ton of loss.

1825
01:19:36,254 --> 01:19:39,326
Jerry died in '95,
he died August 9th.

1826
01:19:39,464 --> 01:19:42,708
He was born on August 1,
and that's pretty interesting.

1827
01:19:42,847 --> 01:19:44,331
That was like-- that's why
we do that song

1828
01:19:44,469 --> 01:19:47,610
"The Days Between,"
from the 1st to the 9th.

1829
01:19:47,748 --> 01:19:51,165
That time-- that's the days
between when he checks out.

1830
01:19:51,303 --> 01:19:53,754
My dad died
a month after that.

1831
01:19:53,892 --> 01:19:55,480
And I was actually at
my dad's house

1832
01:19:55,618 --> 01:19:57,793
when they called me
about Jerry.

1833
01:19:57,931 --> 01:19:59,795
A month later,
I had to go do my dad.

1834
01:20:01,003 --> 01:20:03,315
So, that was a tough year.

1835
01:20:03,453 --> 01:20:05,145
In those days
I was surfing a bunch

1836
01:20:05,283 --> 01:20:07,043
up in Mendocino
before I moved over here.

1837
01:20:08,976 --> 01:20:10,598
Yeah, I went out
and surfed that day.

1838
01:20:10,736 --> 01:20:12,842
I couldn't talk to anybody when
I got the news about Jerry.

1839
01:20:16,397 --> 01:20:17,882
I went out in the water,
it felt really good

1840
01:20:18,020 --> 01:20:19,815
just washing over me.

1841
01:20:19,953 --> 01:20:22,334
[music]

1842
01:20:30,756 --> 01:20:32,517
[Justin] Jerry Garcia
was much more

1843
01:20:32,655 --> 01:20:34,691
than just the guitar player
in my dad's band.

1844
01:20:34,830 --> 01:20:36,797
He was a mentor
and a friend.

1845
01:20:36,935 --> 01:20:38,764
His death
was the single biggest loss

1846
01:20:38,903 --> 01:20:41,353
I've ever experienced,
and it happened at a time

1847
01:20:41,491 --> 01:20:44,184
when a lot of us were nearing
our breaking point.

1848
01:20:44,322 --> 01:20:46,082
[Bill] I was really
pretty burnt out

1849
01:20:46,220 --> 01:20:47,981
after the Grateful Dead,
you know,

1850
01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:49,499
dealing with all
of the problems

1851
01:20:49,637 --> 01:20:52,848
of other people's disease
and...

1852
01:20:52,986 --> 01:20:54,815
And having a band
just go down in flames,

1853
01:20:54,953 --> 01:20:56,852
and being in public
playing so badly.

1854
01:20:56,990 --> 01:20:59,095
It was really--
it hurt me a lot.

1855
01:20:59,233 --> 01:21:00,890
And I wasn't
in good shape either,

1856
01:21:01,028 --> 01:21:02,719
I was probably part
of that problem.

1857
01:21:02,858 --> 01:21:04,480
So, I came here,
and I got healthy,

1858
01:21:04,618 --> 01:21:07,034
and I went and did the things
you do to get healthy.

1859
01:21:07,172 --> 01:21:09,381
You get in the water a lot,
you learn to surf,

1860
01:21:09,519 --> 01:21:12,246
you get the waves
to push you around.

1861
01:21:12,384 --> 01:21:14,904
I had my first child
when I was 30,

1862
01:21:15,042 --> 01:21:17,251
and things were pretty calm.

1863
01:21:17,389 --> 01:21:20,116
But in my late 30s,
things started to get out--

1864
01:21:20,254 --> 01:21:22,878
I managed to keep my drinking
under, you know,

1865
01:21:23,016 --> 01:21:25,156
just under control
to some degree

1866
01:21:25,294 --> 01:21:26,847
when-- in my early 30s.

1867
01:21:26,985 --> 01:21:29,781
But my late 30s, it started
to get more out of control.

1868
01:21:29,919 --> 01:21:32,991
So, about 39, I started
trying to stop then.

1869
01:21:33,129 --> 01:21:35,787
So, I've been trying
to stop drinking for 13 years.

1870
01:21:35,925 --> 01:21:37,962
I have three years
at the moment.

1871
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:40,826
It's been actually
a huge part of my life,

1872
01:21:40,965 --> 01:21:44,796
and you know, I've wanted
to end mine because of it.

1873
01:21:44,934 --> 01:21:46,763
Not saying
that's what Keith did,

1874
01:21:46,902 --> 01:21:50,422
but I can understand
the struggle with it.

1875
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,390
And I think when I was younger
I used it

1876
01:21:52,528 --> 01:21:55,082
as more of an excuse
for my bad behavior.

1877
01:21:55,220 --> 01:21:56,566
Well, of course,
I'm Keith Moon's daughter,

1878
01:21:56,704 --> 01:21:58,085
what do you expect?

1879
01:21:58,223 --> 01:22:00,053
You know, I think other people
expected it of me,

1880
01:22:00,191 --> 01:22:02,262
so-- and I-- or at least
I thought they did.

1881
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,196
So, maybe that's kind of what
Keith suffered from too.

1882
01:22:05,334 --> 01:22:08,820
Although I'm not him, so...

1883
01:22:08,958 --> 01:22:10,960
[chuckles]

1884
01:22:11,098 --> 01:22:13,376
[Lisa] This process
getting ready for the interview

1885
01:22:13,514 --> 01:22:16,862
has just helped me
with forgiveness.

1886
01:22:17,001 --> 01:22:20,659
I'm so thankful I was able
to have this experience

1887
01:22:20,797 --> 01:22:25,526
now rather than later,
because so many people

1888
01:22:25,664 --> 01:22:30,186
have these feelings,
and forgiveness and all this

1889
01:22:30,324 --> 01:22:32,361
after the fact,
meaning, you know,

1890
01:22:32,499 --> 01:22:35,329
when somebody is no longer
with us.

1891
01:22:35,467 --> 01:22:39,506
And I'm just so grateful
that I was able to have that--

1892
01:22:39,644 --> 01:22:42,958
to experience that
before that time comes.

1893
01:22:46,754 --> 01:22:49,792
[Mandy] My kids are 17 and 20,
so I've been a mom for a while.

1894
01:22:49,930 --> 01:22:51,828
But you know, I think
it would have been fun

1895
01:22:51,967 --> 01:22:53,830
for him to meet
his grandchildren.

1896
01:22:53,969 --> 01:22:56,350
And it sounds even strange
for us to say

1897
01:22:56,488 --> 01:22:57,973
"Keith Moon's grandchildren,"

1898
01:22:58,111 --> 01:22:59,905
you know, when he's not
alive any longer.

1899
01:23:00,044 --> 01:23:02,184
But they are, and they should
embrace that too,

1900
01:23:02,322 --> 01:23:04,013
and I want them to embrace it.

1901
01:23:04,151 --> 01:23:06,671
I played bass
a lot in high school,

1902
01:23:06,809 --> 01:23:07,983
and was in a band.

1903
01:23:08,121 --> 01:23:09,743
I fooled around on the drums,

1904
01:23:09,881 --> 01:23:12,884
but I think it's kind of
what my mom says too.

1905
01:23:13,022 --> 01:23:15,991
I'm intimidated by the fact

1906
01:23:16,129 --> 01:23:18,338
that people know
who Keith was,

1907
01:23:18,476 --> 01:23:20,581
and know that
I'm related to him.

1908
01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:22,894
- Yeah...
- So, I kind of don't--

1909
01:23:23,032 --> 01:23:26,035
yeah, I don't go
for drums as much.

1910
01:23:26,173 --> 01:23:27,761
[laughter]

1911
01:23:33,111 --> 01:23:34,595
[Bill] This is sort of like
what we were talking about

1912
01:23:34,733 --> 01:23:37,564
the other day with Lukas,
my grandson.

1913
01:23:37,702 --> 01:23:40,981
You and I both are known for
having some drug interference

1914
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:42,776
and drug problems
in our life.

1915
01:23:42,914 --> 01:23:45,848
And I was kinda concerned
that if we're teaching Lukas

1916
01:23:45,986 --> 01:23:47,884
to be a drummer,
which is great,

1917
01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:50,059
is he gonna go into that world
of musicians

1918
01:23:50,197 --> 01:23:52,096
that I escaped from, in a way?

1919
01:23:52,234 --> 01:23:54,201
You know,
escaped the drug problems.

1920
01:23:54,339 --> 01:23:56,548
I mean, is he gonna be able
to get through all that?

1921
01:23:56,686 --> 01:23:58,067
I always wanted to talk
to you about that,

1922
01:23:58,205 --> 01:24:00,414
because it would--
with his granddad

1923
01:24:00,552 --> 01:24:03,728
and his dad both having
those kind of problems.

1924
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,213
Good.

1925
01:24:08,077 --> 01:24:09,561
Is that the beat?

1926
01:24:09,699 --> 01:24:13,048
My parents, your grandparents,

1927
01:24:13,186 --> 01:24:15,671
alcohol was a main
gathering point,

1928
01:24:15,809 --> 01:24:17,673
which is sad,
but that was what it was,

1929
01:24:17,811 --> 01:24:19,261
and they'd get together
and drink

1930
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:21,504
and have what they thought
was a great time.

1931
01:24:21,642 --> 01:24:23,955
I'd get up in the morning
and finish the drinks for 'em.

1932
01:24:24,093 --> 01:24:25,577
Little kid, you know,
going around, testing 'em.

1933
01:24:28,994 --> 01:24:30,962
It's also important
when you teach your kids

1934
01:24:31,100 --> 01:24:32,998
about those particular
problems,

1935
01:24:33,137 --> 01:24:35,518
is how you teach them,
how well you say these things

1936
01:24:35,656 --> 01:24:37,348
and frame the information.

1937
01:24:37,486 --> 01:24:38,970
[Justin] Did we ever talk--
have that conversation?

1938
01:24:39,108 --> 01:24:41,455
I don't remember us,
if we ever talked

1939
01:24:41,593 --> 01:24:44,286
about the pitfalls of...

1940
01:24:44,424 --> 01:24:47,151
Mm, we probably did,
but you know.

1941
01:24:47,289 --> 01:24:49,670
- I probably wasn't listening.
- [chuckles]

1942
01:24:49,808 --> 01:24:52,121
If we were falling,
if we were going into the pits,

1943
01:24:52,259 --> 01:24:53,605
- nobody was listening.
- Yeah.

1944
01:24:53,743 --> 01:24:56,194
[music]

1945
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,239
[Justin] What was it like
being on the road for 30 years,

1946
01:25:06,377 --> 01:25:07,930
and then you come
to some place like this

1947
01:25:08,068 --> 01:25:09,276
where things move
at a different tempo?

1948
01:25:11,175 --> 01:25:13,832
I was needing to heal,
I was needing to get away

1949
01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:17,871
from all of the drug exposure
and all the alcohol.

1950
01:25:18,009 --> 01:25:20,977
And this was a place
to go for me.

1951
01:25:21,116 --> 01:25:23,048
It's a place--
this island particularly

1952
01:25:23,187 --> 01:25:24,740
is a really healing island.

1953
01:25:24,878 --> 01:25:26,328
It has a lot
of feminine energy,

1954
01:25:26,466 --> 01:25:28,088
and it heals you.

1955
01:25:28,226 --> 01:25:29,883
It helps you feel better
about yourself,

1956
01:25:30,021 --> 01:25:31,574
and it was a better idea.

1957
01:25:31,712 --> 01:25:33,818
And that's what I needed,
so I came here.

1958
01:25:33,956 --> 01:25:35,544
And I just--
I learned about that

1959
01:25:35,682 --> 01:25:37,546
because me and Garcia
would go diving all the time

1960
01:25:37,684 --> 01:25:40,031
down in Kona,
and I just thought, God,

1961
01:25:40,169 --> 01:25:42,102
we both liked it here so much,
why not go back?

1962
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,035
And then that was one
of the reasons.

1963
01:25:44,173 --> 01:25:45,692
It's a cool thing.

1964
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:47,211
I mean, I could never
leave here,

1965
01:25:47,349 --> 01:25:49,765
it's been at least--
almost 20 years or more now

1966
01:25:49,903 --> 01:25:51,180
that I've lived here.

1967
01:25:53,182 --> 01:25:56,634
So, it just saved my life,
basically.

1968
01:25:56,772 --> 01:25:59,326
I don't have a better way
to say it, but it did.

1969
01:26:04,020 --> 01:26:05,401
[Justin] One of the things
I'm most grateful for

1970
01:26:05,539 --> 01:26:07,334
is that my dad is still around,

1971
01:26:07,472 --> 01:26:08,887
and I've had the chance
to talk to him

1972
01:26:09,025 --> 01:26:10,165
about his passion for drumming.

1973
01:26:10,303 --> 01:26:11,821
I might not be a drummer,

1974
01:26:11,959 --> 01:26:13,996
but at least now
I understand why he is.

1975
01:26:14,134 --> 01:26:16,032
[music]

1976
01:26:17,689 --> 01:26:19,381
[Stephen P.] Now, you think
about your dad

1977
01:26:19,519 --> 01:26:21,728
and how many shows
the Dead have played.

1978
01:26:21,866 --> 01:26:23,730
Your dad's done every one.

1979
01:26:23,868 --> 01:26:25,145
And that's a dance band,

1980
01:26:25,283 --> 01:26:27,285
people dance to the Dead
uncontrollably.

1981
01:26:27,423 --> 01:26:28,528
They spin.

1982
01:26:28,666 --> 01:26:30,530
They're spinning
in the bathrooms

1983
01:26:30,668 --> 01:26:32,394
at the Grateful Dead,
they're spinning, you know,

1984
01:26:32,532 --> 01:26:34,189
in the hallway while
they're buying merchandise.

1985
01:26:34,327 --> 01:26:35,983
I mean,
they can't stop dancing.

1986
01:26:36,121 --> 01:26:38,710
Think about how many
millions of people

1987
01:26:38,848 --> 01:26:40,609
have danced to the beat
of your pop?

1988
01:26:40,747 --> 01:26:43,025
[music]

1989
01:26:47,167 --> 01:26:49,273
[John] That energy
of the audience

1990
01:26:49,411 --> 01:26:52,241
and performer
are gonna swing,

1991
01:26:52,379 --> 01:26:54,381
and wow, what's gonna happen?

1992
01:26:54,519 --> 01:26:57,384
And that's the magic.
That's the mystery.

1993
01:26:59,214 --> 01:27:03,079
[Matt] The feeling that you
feel as a drummer performing

1994
01:27:03,218 --> 01:27:07,946
is something
that transcends meditation.

1995
01:27:08,084 --> 01:27:11,709
It brings you some place that
you never really imagined.

1996
01:27:11,847 --> 01:27:13,573
Until you feel it,
you don't know.

1997
01:27:13,711 --> 01:27:16,472
And for me,
I still love to perform

1998
01:27:16,610 --> 01:27:18,060
and the feeling I get
when I'm in the zone.

1999
01:27:20,304 --> 01:27:22,133
[Taylor] I mean, I don't know
what it's like in the Dead,

2000
01:27:22,271 --> 01:27:23,928
especially since
Jerry's been gone.

2001
01:27:24,066 --> 01:27:26,448
But you know,
Dave's like my brother too.

2002
01:27:26,586 --> 01:27:28,312
Like, he really is.
I mean, I could never

2003
01:27:28,450 --> 01:27:32,661
imagine us not getting
together to play these--

2004
01:27:32,799 --> 01:27:37,182
these songs that he's created
and we've created.

2005
01:27:37,321 --> 01:27:40,531
It'll be hard to play
"All My Life" when we're 70.

2006
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:43,361
So, just make it
a little slower.

2007
01:27:43,499 --> 01:27:46,778
[Ringo] I discovered it when
I was very young in hospital.

2008
01:27:46,916 --> 01:27:50,403
And I was there a long time,
so to keep us busy,

2009
01:27:50,541 --> 01:27:52,405
every so often
the teacher would come

2010
01:27:52,543 --> 01:27:56,788
with maracas,
you know, a bell,

2011
01:27:56,926 --> 01:27:59,343
or a triangle,
and a little drum.

2012
01:27:59,481 --> 01:28:03,036
I just fell in love then.
I remember it so well.

2013
01:28:03,174 --> 01:28:06,591
It's just I love the drums,
I just love the sound of them,

2014
01:28:06,729 --> 01:28:09,974
the depth of them,
what they give me.

2015
01:28:15,255 --> 01:28:17,844
And you know what?

2016
01:28:17,982 --> 01:28:20,571
The band's only as good
as its drummer.

2017
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:23,125
[laughing]
I might be biased.

2018
01:28:23,263 --> 01:28:24,989
But like, tell me, is there--

2019
01:28:25,127 --> 01:28:26,853
tell me a great band that
doesn't have a great drummer.

2020
01:28:26,991 --> 01:28:29,062
Can it be a great band,
drummer's okay?

2021
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,478
Great band,
guitar player is pretty good.

2022
01:28:31,616 --> 01:28:34,239
No, drummer,
'cause he drives that shit.

2023
01:28:34,378 --> 01:28:36,483
He's the engine,
he's the heart.

2024
01:28:36,621 --> 01:28:39,003
Like, when I imagine
a life without music,

2025
01:28:39,141 --> 01:28:42,765
it's like... there's nothing.

2026
01:28:42,903 --> 01:28:45,112
It's like music has been,
like, this foundation

2027
01:28:45,250 --> 01:28:47,839
that has led me up
to where I am now.

2028
01:28:47,977 --> 01:28:50,877
[Justin] Do you find that
you might be a little obsessed

2029
01:28:51,015 --> 01:28:53,086
about drumming, to the extent
that you might wanna do it

2030
01:28:53,224 --> 01:28:55,364
more than anything else
in your life, or...?

2031
01:28:55,502 --> 01:28:58,850
I think that ship
left a long time ago.

2032
01:28:58,988 --> 01:29:01,163
For that, I think that left
just, like,

2033
01:29:01,301 --> 01:29:03,476
it went very far.

2034
01:29:05,788 --> 01:29:07,411
But you know what
I think it is?

2035
01:29:07,549 --> 01:29:10,517
I think it's just desperately
wanting to have friends,

2036
01:29:10,655 --> 01:29:12,277
and you know, it's like,
whatever it takes, man.

2037
01:29:12,416 --> 01:29:13,555
You know what,
I'll play the drums

2038
01:29:13,693 --> 01:29:14,866
on a cardboard box, dude,

2039
01:29:15,004 --> 01:29:16,489
as long as we can
hang out, man.

2040
01:29:16,627 --> 01:29:18,525
You know?
[chuckles]

2041
01:29:18,663 --> 01:29:21,045
[music]

2042
01:29:23,944 --> 01:29:25,463
[Justin] Bob Weir told me
about a conversation

2043
01:29:25,601 --> 01:29:26,775
that Jerry Garcia
had with Sting

2044
01:29:26,913 --> 01:29:28,777
in a hotel bar in Chicago.

2045
01:29:28,915 --> 01:29:30,951
They were arguing about whether
drummers are born that way

2046
01:29:31,089 --> 01:29:32,815
or if they become that way.

2047
01:29:32,953 --> 01:29:36,129
It's the music version
of nature versus nurture.

2048
01:29:36,267 --> 01:29:39,132
I think I finally have
an answer for Jerry and Sting.

2049
01:29:39,270 --> 01:29:41,479
Drummers are born that way.

2050
01:29:41,617 --> 01:29:43,757
It's who they are,
not what they do.

2051
01:29:43,895 --> 01:29:47,071
And for drummers like my dad,
that will never change.

2052
01:29:47,209 --> 01:29:49,729
[music]

2053
01:29:51,247 --> 01:29:54,527
[Mickey] Big bang,
13.8 billion years ago.

2054
01:29:54,665 --> 01:29:56,874
That was the first downbeat.

2055
01:29:57,012 --> 01:29:59,083
Everything is about rhythm,

2056
01:29:59,221 --> 01:30:01,465
and that's the beginning
of time and space.

2057
01:30:01,603 --> 01:30:04,226
So, it all came from there.

2058
01:30:04,364 --> 01:30:09,058
You know, the stars,
planets, sun,

2059
01:30:09,196 --> 01:30:12,407
the moon, the Earth, us.

2060
01:30:12,545 --> 01:30:15,099
All of the rhythms
that control us

2061
01:30:15,237 --> 01:30:16,963
come from the cosmos.

2062
01:30:19,897 --> 01:30:22,555
It's about creating a community

2063
01:30:22,693 --> 01:30:26,490
that allows for
a rhythmic event to happen.

2064
01:30:27,629 --> 01:30:30,148
But it's really about
the rhythm of life.

2065
01:30:30,286 --> 01:30:32,254
That's what drums and drumming
are really all about.

2066
01:30:32,392 --> 01:30:34,774
[music]

2067
01:33:17,384 --> 01:33:18,834
[Justin] Well, I just wanted
to thank you

2068
01:33:18,972 --> 01:33:20,491
- and give you a hug.
- Yeah!

2069
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:22,942
- I love you very much.
- I love you too, son, so much.

2070
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,806
- Thank you for doing this.
- Yeah, man.