1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:12,887 --> 00:00:18,351 -This entire sorry saga boils down to sex and greed. 4 00:00:18,393 --> 00:00:20,478 -It's rare you see interviews with the royal family 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,441 in any circumstance, let alone on something like this. 6 00:00:24,482 --> 00:00:27,444 -At the heart of the story is this bizarre, 7 00:00:27,485 --> 00:00:30,613 dysfunctional triangle between three people. 8 00:00:30,655 --> 00:00:32,407 -Prince Andrew answering questions 9 00:00:32,449 --> 00:00:34,451 for the first time about his friendship 10 00:00:34,492 --> 00:00:37,370 with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. 11 00:00:37,412 --> 00:00:42,542 -For many years, Prince Andrew tried to avoid this story. 12 00:00:42,584 --> 00:00:45,420 But, ultimately, the photograph did him in. 13 00:00:46,755 --> 00:00:49,591 -She provided a photo of the two of you together. 14 00:00:49,632 --> 00:00:51,468 -Yes. -You've seen the photo. 15 00:00:51,509 --> 00:00:54,387 -I've seen the photograph. -How do you explain that? 16 00:00:54,429 --> 00:00:57,307 -I can't. 17 00:00:57,349 --> 00:00:59,059 I have absolutely no memory 18 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:01,478 of that photograph ever being taken. 19 00:01:01,519 --> 00:01:05,315 -Virginia Giuffre alleges that she was trafficked to have sex 20 00:01:05,357 --> 00:01:07,067 with Prince Andrew. 21 00:01:07,108 --> 00:01:11,363 -Trafficked by the Prince's friend -- Jeffrey Epstein. 22 00:01:11,404 --> 00:01:15,075 -A very young girl had allegedly been abused 23 00:01:15,116 --> 00:01:16,910 by the Queen's second son. 24 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:21,373 -That was utterly shocking. 25 00:01:21,414 --> 00:01:25,835 -The reaction was absolute horror. 26 00:01:25,877 --> 00:01:28,088 -How could someone like Prince Andrew 27 00:01:28,129 --> 00:01:31,383 have gotten into such horrible behavior? 28 00:01:31,424 --> 00:01:33,593 -It was a lifetime in the making. 29 00:01:33,635 --> 00:01:36,262 -Andrew was treated like a little king. 30 00:01:36,304 --> 00:01:38,056 He was very spoiled. 31 00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:39,683 -Prince Charles was the heir -- 32 00:01:39,724 --> 00:01:42,102 Prince Andrew was simply the spare. 33 00:01:42,143 --> 00:01:43,812 -But Andrew had the edge over Charles 34 00:01:43,853 --> 00:01:47,107 because he was the Queen's favorite. 35 00:01:47,148 --> 00:01:48,775 That's given him a lot of leverage. 36 00:01:48,817 --> 00:01:51,861 -The problem is the man's an idiot. 37 00:01:54,030 --> 00:01:55,615 -Don't squeeze my fingers. Ow! 38 00:01:55,657 --> 00:01:57,492 -He doesn't drink and he's never taken drugs. 39 00:01:57,534 --> 00:01:59,494 But from people I talk to, 40 00:01:59,536 --> 00:02:02,580 I think you could call him a sex addict. 41 00:02:02,622 --> 00:02:05,625 -He couldn't keep his trousers closed. 42 00:02:05,667 --> 00:02:07,502 -Are you gonna resign, Prince Andrew? 43 00:02:07,544 --> 00:02:09,587 Are you an embarrassment, sir? 44 00:02:09,629 --> 00:02:14,300 -Prince Andrew's world is dirty money, 45 00:02:14,342 --> 00:02:16,928 dirty laundry, 46 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:19,139 and dodgy people. 47 00:02:19,180 --> 00:02:23,101 -Is there any way you could have had sex with that young woman 48 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:27,063 or any young woman trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein 49 00:02:27,105 --> 00:02:29,190 in any of his residences? 50 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:30,525 -No. 51 00:03:00,638 --> 00:03:03,183 -It was the start of December 2010, 52 00:03:03,224 --> 00:03:06,436 when I got a telephone call from one of the newspapers 53 00:03:06,478 --> 00:03:09,397 I worked for, the News of the World, saying, 54 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:12,359 "We think Prince Andrew is in New York. 55 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,195 We don't know where, and we don't know why. 56 00:03:15,236 --> 00:03:17,364 Could you try and find him?" 57 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:21,493 I'd been working as a freelance journalist 58 00:03:21,534 --> 00:03:25,038 in New York from 1995, and... 59 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,209 the thrill of a good story or, you know, a world exclusive 60 00:03:29,250 --> 00:03:31,044 never goes away. 61 00:03:31,086 --> 00:03:34,964 So, I canceled my plans and called a photographer to join me 62 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:38,885 and went off to try and find Prince Andrew. 63 00:03:38,927 --> 00:03:41,971 At that point, I would never have realized 64 00:03:42,013 --> 00:03:45,558 what a scoop I was about to uncover. 65 00:03:48,103 --> 00:03:50,355 I started looking into his official places, 66 00:03:50,397 --> 00:03:53,400 like the New York Consulate General of Britain. 67 00:03:53,441 --> 00:03:55,485 If he was working, he'd always stay there. 68 00:03:55,527 --> 00:03:57,737 He wasn't staying with the consul general. 69 00:03:57,779 --> 00:03:59,364 Ah, okay. 70 00:04:01,241 --> 00:04:02,742 And I thought, well, 71 00:04:02,784 --> 00:04:05,787 the next place to look would be to Ghislaine Maxwell. 72 00:04:05,829 --> 00:04:07,872 His very good friend. I thought, you know, 73 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:10,875 she's got a beautiful townhouse on the Upper East Side. 74 00:04:10,917 --> 00:04:13,795 So I tootled over to Ghislaine's house. 75 00:04:13,837 --> 00:04:17,841 Eventually a town car arrived, and she got into the car. 76 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:19,551 So, we followed her. 77 00:04:19,592 --> 00:04:22,804 First to Tribeca, where she went into a bar, 78 00:04:22,846 --> 00:04:24,556 and then she went to a restaurant 79 00:04:24,597 --> 00:04:27,434 in the Meatpacking District. 80 00:04:27,475 --> 00:04:29,269 But no Prince Andrew. 81 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:31,229 It was very clear by 10 o'clock at night 82 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:32,772 he wasn't going to turn up. 83 00:04:32,814 --> 00:04:35,859 So, I went back home, you know, defrosted, 84 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:38,611 and sat there thinking, "Where else could he have gone?" 85 00:04:38,653 --> 00:04:43,324 And I suddenly thought, "Oh, Jeffrey Epstein." 86 00:04:43,366 --> 00:04:45,744 He was Ghislaine's ex-boyfriend, 87 00:04:45,785 --> 00:04:48,788 but also a convicted sex offender. 88 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:50,957 -A judge sentenced the billionaire 89 00:04:50,999 --> 00:04:52,459 to 18 months behind bars 90 00:04:52,500 --> 00:04:54,544 for paying underage girls for sex, 91 00:04:54,586 --> 00:04:56,463 but his release comes early. 92 00:04:56,504 --> 00:04:57,881 -It seemed very unlikely 93 00:04:57,922 --> 00:05:00,467 he would want to stay with someone like that, 94 00:05:00,508 --> 00:05:03,470 but at that point I had nowhere else to look. 95 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:08,683 So, on the following morning, 8:00 a.m., 96 00:05:08,725 --> 00:05:12,645 I went to Jeffrey Epstein's house. 97 00:05:12,687 --> 00:05:17,359 It's the biggest private residence in New York. 98 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,319 And I suddenly saw lots of activity, 99 00:05:19,361 --> 00:05:23,073 men in suits talking literally into their cufflinks. 100 00:05:23,114 --> 00:05:25,533 And there was clearly somebody in Jeffrey Epstein's house 101 00:05:25,575 --> 00:05:26,910 who was important, 102 00:05:26,951 --> 00:05:29,829 and it could only have been Prince Andrew. 103 00:05:29,871 --> 00:05:32,624 -I could not believe it, 'cause I was sitting at my desk 104 00:05:32,665 --> 00:05:33,958 and I get this phone call 105 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,544 from the movie publicist, Peggy Siegal. 106 00:05:36,586 --> 00:05:38,296 And she says, "Tina, Tina, I want you to come 107 00:05:38,338 --> 00:05:39,881 to a fabulous dinner tonight. 108 00:05:39,923 --> 00:05:43,677 Jeffrey Epstein is hosting a dinner for Prince Andrew, 109 00:05:43,718 --> 00:05:46,721 and Woody Allen is gonna be there, 110 00:05:46,763 --> 00:05:48,890 and Charlie Rose is gonna be there, 111 00:05:48,932 --> 00:05:52,268 and we just think it would be wonderful if you could come." 112 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,021 Peggy then went on to explain 113 00:05:55,063 --> 00:05:56,690 this was all about "The King's Speech," 114 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:58,983 the movie that she was helping to publicize. 115 00:05:59,025 --> 00:06:00,860 -It's the story of King George VI 116 00:06:00,902 --> 00:06:03,029 and it's already getting Oscar buzz. 117 00:06:03,071 --> 00:06:04,739 -She said this is why they wanted 118 00:06:04,781 --> 00:06:06,866 to do this dinner for Andrew, 119 00:06:06,908 --> 00:06:09,119 which seemed like a pretty lame excuse, 120 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,037 as far as I was concerned, because clearly it was 121 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:13,790 another transactional Jeffrey Epstein dinner. 122 00:06:13,832 --> 00:06:17,961 The deal was Andrew would enhance Epstein's karma 123 00:06:18,003 --> 00:06:20,714 and his Rolodex. 124 00:06:20,755 --> 00:06:24,175 And I just was gobsmacked, because in The Daily Beast, 125 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:29,014 I had already run six exposés about Jeffrey Epstein. 126 00:06:29,055 --> 00:06:30,890 She must have surely seen these stories, 127 00:06:30,932 --> 00:06:33,727 and I said to her, you know, "Peggy, what is this? 128 00:06:33,768 --> 00:06:35,770 The effing predator's ball? 129 00:06:35,812 --> 00:06:38,606 I don't want to go to dinner with a pedophile." 130 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:45,071 -Anyway, back in front of Jeffrey Epstein's, 131 00:06:45,113 --> 00:06:49,117 the door was opening and closing quite a lot. 132 00:06:49,159 --> 00:06:53,079 We were all watching pretty young girls going in and out. 133 00:06:53,121 --> 00:06:56,499 I've now spent three days trying to find Andrew. 134 00:06:56,541 --> 00:06:59,669 Finally, out came Jeffrey Epstein 135 00:06:59,711 --> 00:07:01,755 and Prince Andrew. 136 00:07:01,796 --> 00:07:03,923 And it was like, "Oh, my God." 137 00:07:05,342 --> 00:07:09,929 Jay, the photographer, leapt out and followed them. 138 00:07:09,971 --> 00:07:13,183 And they walked straight to Central Park. 139 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:17,771 Jay got ahead of them, he stood on a rock, 140 00:07:17,812 --> 00:07:20,690 and he looked down, and there in the frame 141 00:07:20,732 --> 00:07:25,153 was Andrew and Jeffrey Epstein in deep conversation. 142 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,081 Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to sex offenses. 143 00:07:36,122 --> 00:07:39,417 He was a horrific abuser of very young girls, 144 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:43,421 and the second son of the Queen is staying with him 145 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:46,841 and has gone out openly with him. 146 00:07:46,883 --> 00:07:49,719 Why would he be seen with Jeffrey Epstein? 147 00:07:51,638 --> 00:07:53,473 What is Andrew doing? 148 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:07,487 -So, let's start at the beginning. 149 00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:10,073 -Looking at you. -Alright. Oof. Sorry. 150 00:08:10,115 --> 00:08:12,158 -What is it about the royal world 151 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,035 that keeps you fascinated? 152 00:08:14,077 --> 00:08:18,081 -Well, you have the institution of monarchy, but you also have 153 00:08:18,123 --> 00:08:20,959 a family with all the flaws of any other family. 154 00:08:21,001 --> 00:08:24,212 -And how do you feel about the Andrew story? 155 00:08:24,254 --> 00:08:27,507 -Phew. How long have you got? 156 00:08:27,549 --> 00:08:30,969 Andrew has always had this sort of holier-than-thou, 157 00:08:31,011 --> 00:08:32,846 "I'm greater than everybody else, 158 00:08:32,887 --> 00:08:35,890 the Queen is my mum" attitude. 159 00:08:38,768 --> 00:08:40,353 -Living at Buckingham Palace 160 00:08:40,395 --> 00:08:45,984 and having hundreds of staff and everything done for you. 161 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:50,113 Of course, he's gonna have some kind of arrogance to that. 162 00:08:50,155 --> 00:08:51,698 I mean, that's completely normal. 163 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:54,034 Like, wouldn't anybody? 164 00:08:54,075 --> 00:08:57,871 -When you are the queen's son, no one ever tells you the truth. 165 00:08:57,912 --> 00:09:00,832 So, he really grew up with a completely inflated 166 00:09:00,874 --> 00:09:02,876 sense of his own self worth. 167 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:05,587 -It's acquired situational narcissism. 168 00:09:05,628 --> 00:09:11,426 And it means you may not have been born a flaming narcissist, 169 00:09:11,468 --> 00:09:13,136 but you become one. 170 00:09:13,178 --> 00:09:16,848 And I think that's what happened to Prince Andrew. 171 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:18,558 -But then you have to ask yourself, 172 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,894 "Well, why wasn't Prince Edward like that, 173 00:09:20,935 --> 00:09:23,271 or Prince Charles or Princess Anne? 174 00:09:23,313 --> 00:09:24,814 Why Andrew?" 175 00:09:24,856 --> 00:09:28,276 And I suppose there's always one runt of the litter, 176 00:09:28,318 --> 00:09:30,570 and Andrew was it. 177 00:09:38,828 --> 00:09:40,246 -Any 5-month-old baby 178 00:09:40,288 --> 00:09:42,582 with all this baggage travels in royal style, 179 00:09:42,624 --> 00:09:46,086 and that's exactly the case with Britain's little Prince Andrew. 180 00:09:52,175 --> 00:09:55,261 -Prince Andrew was born in 1960 181 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:58,932 and he was just treasured. 182 00:09:58,973 --> 00:10:01,643 He was the beginning of what the Queen and Prince Philip 183 00:10:01,685 --> 00:10:04,104 called their second family. 184 00:10:04,145 --> 00:10:08,441 The Queen's first child, Prince Charles, was born in 1948 185 00:10:08,483 --> 00:10:12,112 and then Princess Anne came along in 1950. 186 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:17,200 And then, suddenly, the Queen's father died in 1952, 187 00:10:17,242 --> 00:10:21,121 and young Princess Elizabeth was propelled into this job 188 00:10:21,162 --> 00:10:24,457 that she really didn't think was gonna happen to her 189 00:10:24,499 --> 00:10:26,543 for another 10 years. 190 00:10:26,584 --> 00:10:29,963 -I here present unto you Queen Elizabeth, 191 00:10:30,005 --> 00:10:31,881 your undoubted Queen. 192 00:10:33,466 --> 00:10:36,970 For the next decade, she was so busy being Queen 193 00:10:37,012 --> 00:10:39,472 that she really, really had a difficult time 194 00:10:39,514 --> 00:10:44,644 spending much of that period with her children. 195 00:10:44,686 --> 00:10:46,354 She saw them briefly in the morning 196 00:10:46,396 --> 00:10:48,106 and briefly in the evening, and otherwise, 197 00:10:48,148 --> 00:10:52,152 they were really left in the care of nannies. 198 00:10:52,193 --> 00:10:55,155 But when Andrew was born, she was determined 199 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:57,073 to see more of this little boy 200 00:10:57,115 --> 00:11:00,160 than she had her other two children. 201 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:03,496 So, she would pencil in when she was gonna see Andrew. 202 00:11:03,538 --> 00:11:07,334 And he would play under her desk when she was working. 203 00:11:14,382 --> 00:11:17,010 During their spare time, the car builders at Newport Pagnell 204 00:11:17,052 --> 00:11:19,179 have been busy on a very special project -- 205 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:21,848 a scaled-down version of the James Bond car 206 00:11:21,890 --> 00:11:23,558 for young Prince Andrew. 207 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,687 -Andrew was treated, you know, like a little king. 208 00:11:27,729 --> 00:11:30,315 He was very spoiled. 209 00:11:30,357 --> 00:11:32,901 But Prince Charles could not have been more different. 210 00:11:32,942 --> 00:11:35,528 -Gordonstoun is where Prince Charles will be 211 00:11:35,570 --> 00:11:37,030 in the next summer term, 212 00:11:37,072 --> 00:11:41,368 and be treated the same as all the other 400 boys. 213 00:11:41,409 --> 00:11:45,163 -My husband was at Gordonstoun with Prince Charles. 214 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:48,625 Charles was very much a loner, 215 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:52,045 and the boys there picked on him. 216 00:11:52,087 --> 00:11:55,507 Gordonstoun was all about teaching somebody to sail, 217 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:57,967 to swim, to climb mountains, 218 00:11:58,009 --> 00:12:02,597 but Charles was rather clumsy and didn't fit in there. 219 00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:04,974 But Andrew fit in perfectly there. 220 00:12:05,016 --> 00:12:06,935 -He particularly enjoyed the emphasis there 221 00:12:06,976 --> 00:12:09,312 on outdoor sports. 222 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:12,065 -Prince Andrew was one of the lads. 223 00:12:12,107 --> 00:12:15,068 He was very mischievous, and of course, 224 00:12:15,110 --> 00:12:17,987 Prince Philip loved this boy, 225 00:12:18,029 --> 00:12:21,241 who was everything that perhaps Charles hadn't been. 226 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:24,327 So he had even more attention lavished on him. 227 00:12:24,369 --> 00:12:28,206 Being second in line to the throne was very important, 228 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:30,792 because Prince Charles was the heir 229 00:12:30,834 --> 00:12:32,961 and Andrew was the backup. 230 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:38,258 And, you know, he enjoyed his mini kingship 231 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:42,429 for many years before the fact dawned on him 232 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:44,681 that actually he was just number two. 233 00:12:49,352 --> 00:12:52,272 -My Lords and members of the House of Commons, 234 00:12:52,313 --> 00:12:54,024 -It's obvious that Prince Charles 235 00:12:54,065 --> 00:12:59,279 has always had a future as the future king. 236 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,323 So, you have an older brother who's got a job 237 00:13:02,365 --> 00:13:06,119 and everybody is, you know, lining up for him. 238 00:13:06,161 --> 00:13:10,123 But Prince Andrew's just kind of sitting there. 239 00:13:10,165 --> 00:13:15,253 -Andrew's life was to be one of descending importance, 240 00:13:15,295 --> 00:13:18,548 because the heir had a son, William, who then gave birth 241 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:22,510 to three children, and down, down, down, he went. 242 00:13:22,552 --> 00:13:26,056 And that has been his life, all his life. 243 00:13:26,097 --> 00:13:29,476 -So, we had this very needy Prince Andrew, 244 00:13:29,517 --> 00:13:32,187 who was looking to feel important, 245 00:13:32,228 --> 00:13:34,272 and then we had the enabler. 246 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:36,316 -In some ways, there was something really inevitable 247 00:13:36,358 --> 00:13:38,109 about the downfall of Andrew, 248 00:13:38,151 --> 00:13:42,405 as soon as he came into the orbit of Jeffrey Epstein. 249 00:13:42,447 --> 00:13:45,533 I mean, that was the path of no return for Andrew. 250 00:13:54,084 --> 00:13:55,585 -Your friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. -Mm. 251 00:13:55,627 --> 00:13:57,545 -How did you first become friends? 252 00:13:57,587 --> 00:13:59,464 How did you meet? 253 00:13:59,506 --> 00:14:04,219 -Well, I met through his girlfriend back in 1999, who... 254 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:08,723 And I'd known her since she was at university in the UK. 255 00:14:08,765 --> 00:14:10,558 -You said you weren't very good friends, 256 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,436 but would you describe him as a good friend? 257 00:14:13,478 --> 00:14:16,314 Did you trust him? 258 00:14:16,356 --> 00:14:20,652 -Yes, I think I probably did, but again, um... 259 00:14:20,694 --> 00:14:22,654 I mean... 260 00:14:22,696 --> 00:14:29,160 I don't go into a friendship looking for the wrong thing. 261 00:14:30,620 --> 00:14:33,498 -At the heart of the story is this bizarre, 262 00:14:33,540 --> 00:14:37,252 dysfunctional triangle between three people. 263 00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:42,215 Epstein had the money but no social skills, 264 00:14:42,257 --> 00:14:46,886 Prince Andrew had the status that opened any door, 265 00:14:46,928 --> 00:14:51,099 and Ghislaine was the glue. 266 00:14:52,684 --> 00:14:54,561 -Ghislaine is really known in Britain 267 00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:59,315 as the daughter of media magnate Robert Maxwell. 268 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:07,115 -When I first came to the UK from New York, I met Ghislaine, 269 00:15:07,157 --> 00:15:09,993 and she and I immediately clicked 270 00:15:10,035 --> 00:15:13,121 because we were both outsiders. 271 00:15:13,163 --> 00:15:16,374 She was part of a smart group of people 272 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:20,462 who were so different than those in the royal circles. 273 00:15:20,503 --> 00:15:22,547 But she was adopted very quickly, 274 00:15:22,589 --> 00:15:26,301 as, you know, children of billionaires tend to be. 275 00:15:26,343 --> 00:15:29,554 -She was very bright, everybody says very good fun. 276 00:15:29,596 --> 00:15:31,681 And at some point, she met Prince Andrew. 277 00:15:31,723 --> 00:15:36,519 He was rich, he was entitled, and Ghislaine was very similar. 278 00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:39,606 And so they were a firm friendship. 279 00:15:39,647 --> 00:15:42,192 -Prince Andrew was dazzled by Ghislaine. 280 00:15:42,233 --> 00:15:47,655 You know, here's this wispy, smart, rich woman. 281 00:15:47,697 --> 00:15:50,075 Plus, she was fun... 282 00:15:50,116 --> 00:15:52,285 and highly sexed. 283 00:15:52,327 --> 00:15:53,912 -I started to investigate Ghislaine 284 00:15:53,953 --> 00:15:56,873 and looking into if she was going out with Prince Andrew. 285 00:15:56,915 --> 00:15:59,501 He obviously trusted her, and Ghislaine quickly became 286 00:15:59,542 --> 00:16:02,712 a regular visitor to Buckingham Palace. 287 00:16:05,715 --> 00:16:08,385 -I was a police officer with the Metropolitan Police, 288 00:16:08,426 --> 00:16:10,553 and I was based with the Royal Protection Command 289 00:16:10,595 --> 00:16:12,555 for six years. 290 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,599 My main role was to provide 'round-the-clock 291 00:16:14,641 --> 00:16:16,685 armed protection for the Queen, Prince Philip, 292 00:16:16,726 --> 00:16:19,979 and Prince Andrew whilst in residence. 293 00:16:20,021 --> 00:16:21,564 If you look at the front of the palace, 294 00:16:21,606 --> 00:16:24,484 you'll see the policemen always on the gate. 295 00:16:24,526 --> 00:16:28,613 That's where guests to see royal family would go to. 296 00:16:28,655 --> 00:16:30,865 But whenever Ghislaine would enter the palace, 297 00:16:30,907 --> 00:16:32,951 the routine was we used to wave her through -- 298 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:34,536 no ID, no nothing. 299 00:16:34,577 --> 00:16:37,747 Straight into the quad to Prince Andrew's private apartments. 300 00:16:37,789 --> 00:16:41,710 She would come in and out as often as she wanted. 301 00:16:41,751 --> 00:16:43,795 And she was in and out all the time. 302 00:16:43,837 --> 00:16:47,424 -Which is an incredible breach of security. 303 00:16:47,465 --> 00:16:51,011 At one point, she took in Kevin Spacey, 304 00:16:51,052 --> 00:16:52,554 and the two of them sat on thrones 305 00:16:52,595 --> 00:16:55,473 and had their pictures taken. 306 00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:57,225 -No one else had that access, 307 00:16:57,267 --> 00:16:58,893 apart from members of the royal family. 308 00:16:58,935 --> 00:17:01,521 Myself and my colleagues were under the perception 309 00:17:01,563 --> 00:17:03,440 that Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell 310 00:17:03,481 --> 00:17:07,193 were in an intimate relationship. 311 00:17:07,235 --> 00:17:09,112 If the Queen knew Robert Maxwell's daughter 312 00:17:09,154 --> 00:17:12,157 was being entertained by Prince Andrew in the palace, 313 00:17:12,198 --> 00:17:13,366 she definitely wouldn't like that, 314 00:17:13,408 --> 00:17:15,410 or so we -- so we thought. 315 00:17:15,452 --> 00:17:19,456 -I think Prince Andrew felt Ghislaine's pain and humiliation 316 00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:21,374 probably closer than most people, 317 00:17:21,416 --> 00:17:23,960 because it all fell apart for her, 318 00:17:24,002 --> 00:17:27,630 and very very publicly. 319 00:17:27,672 --> 00:17:30,759 -Robert Maxwell is missing at sea, 320 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,678 feared lost overboard from his motor yacht. 321 00:17:36,473 --> 00:17:39,642 -Ghislaine had to deal with her father's death. 322 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:43,772 But there was a lot more. 323 00:17:43,813 --> 00:17:45,648 -Police are investigating reports 324 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:48,276 that Maxwell took almost $2 billion 325 00:17:48,318 --> 00:17:50,737 from his public companies in the weeks before 326 00:17:50,779 --> 00:17:53,448 he plunged to his death from his yacht. 327 00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:56,659 -The headlines were "Maxwell is a crook." 328 00:17:58,703 --> 00:18:00,872 And so overnight, Ghislaine went from being 329 00:18:00,914 --> 00:18:04,417 on everybody's, you know, top invitation list 330 00:18:04,459 --> 00:18:08,171 to suddenly just everyone blanking her. 331 00:18:11,091 --> 00:18:14,302 For Ghislaine, there was only one way out of this, 332 00:18:14,344 --> 00:18:17,681 and that was crossing the ocean to New York. 333 00:18:21,893 --> 00:18:24,646 -She was, like, rehabilitating herself in New York 334 00:18:24,688 --> 00:18:27,524 after the disgrace of her father in Britain. 335 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,987 As long ago as 2000, I had a tip 336 00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:39,077 that Prince Andrew was having lunch with Ghislaine Maxwell. 337 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,620 Ghislaine had taken him to a place 338 00:18:40,662 --> 00:18:43,081 called Nello's on the Upper East Side, 339 00:18:43,123 --> 00:18:46,584 which was the one and only celebrity restaurant 340 00:18:46,626 --> 00:18:49,254 that had paparazzi photographers sitting outside. 341 00:18:51,006 --> 00:18:53,842 Ghislaine clearly wanted to be seen with Andrew. 342 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:56,678 It gave her street cred. 343 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,764 Andrew started going to New York on a more regular basis, 344 00:18:59,806 --> 00:19:02,517 and Ghislaine was always his touch point. 345 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,602 -When he was with Ghislaine in Manhattan, 346 00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:06,813 he felt he was the center of attention. 347 00:19:06,855 --> 00:19:10,066 -Ghislaine would invite him to these amazing parties, 348 00:19:10,108 --> 00:19:13,695 like Heidi Klum's Halloween party. 349 00:19:13,737 --> 00:19:16,448 -And I don't think Prince Andrew had ever met people like this 350 00:19:16,489 --> 00:19:18,199 in his royal world. 351 00:19:18,241 --> 00:19:21,036 They just had a blast. 352 00:19:21,077 --> 00:19:24,330 And there was genuine affection between them. 353 00:19:29,044 --> 00:19:31,755 -As I started to investigate Ghislaine in New York, 354 00:19:31,796 --> 00:19:34,883 the name Jeffrey Epstein kept popping up. 355 00:19:34,924 --> 00:19:37,218 Everything went back to Jeffrey Epstein, 356 00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:40,805 who was this mysterious sort of Jay Gatsby character. 357 00:19:44,809 --> 00:19:47,896 -Epstein's reputation in New York was basically, 358 00:19:47,937 --> 00:19:49,606 "Who's Epstein?" 359 00:19:49,647 --> 00:19:52,233 You know, my husband is a banker. 360 00:19:52,275 --> 00:19:56,404 When I would talk to bankers, no one had heard of him. 361 00:19:56,446 --> 00:19:58,531 -Ghislaine's role for Epstein 362 00:19:58,573 --> 00:20:01,993 was to be the bridge to this big-time social world. 363 00:20:02,035 --> 00:20:04,079 And as far as Ghislaine was concerned, 364 00:20:04,120 --> 00:20:06,373 one of her biggest kind of big, white whales 365 00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:08,875 that she landed for Epstein was Andrew. 366 00:20:11,127 --> 00:20:12,796 -Jeffrey Epstein became known 367 00:20:12,837 --> 00:20:16,257 as a collector of important influential people, 368 00:20:16,299 --> 00:20:17,801 the crème de la crème. 369 00:20:17,842 --> 00:20:20,762 At the top of that list was Prince Andrew. 370 00:20:20,804 --> 00:20:22,972 -Americans go crazy for a title 371 00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:25,058 'cause they still don't really understand it. 372 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:27,727 It's something that they don't have, so they want it. 373 00:20:27,769 --> 00:20:31,022 And you got, you know, the prince of England -- 374 00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,941 they go crazy for that. 375 00:20:32,982 --> 00:20:36,569 -That relationship was very valuable for Epstein. 376 00:20:36,611 --> 00:20:39,406 But it wasn't so much about money. 377 00:20:39,447 --> 00:20:42,450 The royal connection was really about status. 378 00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:46,996 -It's quite astonishing when you see how many places 379 00:20:47,038 --> 00:20:50,500 Jeffrey Epstein got into, courtesy of Prince Andrew. 380 00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:57,549 -He got to go to the Queen's private home, 381 00:20:57,590 --> 00:21:00,760 Sandringham, to go shooting. 382 00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:07,392 He went with Ghislaine and Prince Andrew to Balmoral. 383 00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:09,978 He went to a ball at Windsor Castle. 384 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:12,147 I mean, these were prime invitations. 385 00:21:12,188 --> 00:21:15,150 That definitely upped his ante and his social profile, 386 00:21:15,191 --> 00:21:17,736 so he got a lot out of it. 387 00:21:17,777 --> 00:21:20,030 -Prince Andrew was not, you know, naive either. 388 00:21:20,071 --> 00:21:22,907 He said, you know, "This is the guy that's gonna make it happen for me. 389 00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:26,828 He found the people that he thought he should be with, 390 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:30,999 that were gonna change his life, and that loved him. 391 00:21:31,041 --> 00:21:32,751 -When he was with Epstein, 392 00:21:32,792 --> 00:21:34,502 he felt he was the center of attention. 393 00:21:34,544 --> 00:21:37,213 He felt that he was part of the big time, at last, 394 00:21:37,255 --> 00:21:41,509 which he never felt when he was in England. 395 00:21:41,551 --> 00:21:43,970 it's sad when you see the pathetic figure 396 00:21:44,012 --> 00:21:45,096 that we see today. 397 00:21:45,138 --> 00:21:47,891 There was a moment of promise with him. 398 00:21:56,733 --> 00:21:59,694 -Argentina today invaded and seized the Falkland Islands, 399 00:21:59,736 --> 00:22:04,240 which had been under British rule for nearly 150 years. 400 00:22:04,282 --> 00:22:07,702 -Have you a thought about the Falkland Islanders? 401 00:22:07,744 --> 00:22:10,705 -Ah, there's my helicopter flying over at the moment. 402 00:22:10,747 --> 00:22:14,584 I think its almost time I should go. 403 00:22:14,626 --> 00:22:16,127 -There is a long tradition of princes 404 00:22:16,169 --> 00:22:18,713 putting themselves in harm's way on the battlefield. 405 00:22:18,755 --> 00:22:20,090 Most recently, of course, Prince Andrew, 406 00:22:20,131 --> 00:22:23,134 flying highly dangerous helicopter missions. 407 00:22:26,721 --> 00:22:31,810 -Prince Andrew was age 21 when he joined my squadron. 408 00:22:31,851 --> 00:22:33,812 The fact he was a member of the royal family 409 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:35,397 really cut no ice whatsoever. 410 00:22:35,438 --> 00:22:38,149 He was there as a pilot. 411 00:22:38,191 --> 00:22:41,986 The role of the squadron was to protect our ships 412 00:22:42,028 --> 00:22:46,574 from missile and aircraft attack as well as submarine attack. 413 00:22:46,616 --> 00:22:50,286 It was a high-risk thing for him to have to do, 414 00:22:50,328 --> 00:22:52,497 and he rose to the occasion. 415 00:22:52,539 --> 00:22:56,459 -I've been shocked at the way that the ships were taken out. 416 00:22:56,501 --> 00:22:59,754 It is a really nasty, burning wreck. 417 00:22:59,796 --> 00:23:01,881 I mean, it was quite horrific. 418 00:23:04,134 --> 00:23:08,013 -At that point, he's now "action" Prince Andy. 419 00:23:08,054 --> 00:23:09,347 He's under fire. 420 00:23:09,389 --> 00:23:12,100 He's genuinely out there fighting in the Falklands. 421 00:23:12,142 --> 00:23:15,562 -He certainly acquitted himself very, very well. 422 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:17,147 His best moments were in the navy, 423 00:23:17,188 --> 00:23:19,065 because there, he had some structure 424 00:23:19,107 --> 00:23:22,444 and he had some purpose, and he wasn't a bad officer. 425 00:23:22,485 --> 00:23:25,155 -Our family is used to service, 426 00:23:25,196 --> 00:23:30,577 so there wasn't that much of a reaction, in the sense that, 427 00:23:30,618 --> 00:23:34,873 "Well, off you go. That's your job, go." 428 00:23:41,171 --> 00:23:43,465 -The day we returned to Portsmouth, 429 00:23:43,506 --> 00:23:45,008 the nation turned out. 430 00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:48,011 The seafront was lined with people. 431 00:23:52,015 --> 00:23:55,143 -When Prince Andrew came back from the Falklands, 432 00:23:55,185 --> 00:23:57,312 he was a war hero. 433 00:23:57,354 --> 00:24:00,982 He was called the one with the Robert Redford looks. 434 00:24:01,024 --> 00:24:06,029 And that was probably the height of his popularity. 435 00:24:07,614 --> 00:24:10,116 People just loved Prince Andrew. 436 00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:13,620 He was the most eligible bachelor in the country. 437 00:24:13,661 --> 00:24:15,747 -Would you accept an invitation from the Prince? 438 00:24:15,789 --> 00:24:17,832 -Phwoar, would I! Yeah. 439 00:24:17,874 --> 00:24:20,919 -He had the reputation of being a ladies' man. 440 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,922 But it's gotten him in trouble ever since. 441 00:24:31,054 --> 00:24:33,807 -The organizers of the sports display haven't forgotten 442 00:24:33,848 --> 00:24:36,351 the Prince's reputation with the girls. 443 00:24:36,393 --> 00:24:39,020 "Randy Andy" has a practiced eye for the ladies, 444 00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:43,024 and his romantic adventures have been well publicized. 445 00:24:55,328 --> 00:24:58,623 -Prince Andrew was known as the Playboy Prince. 446 00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:01,251 He was a very good-looking guy. 447 00:25:01,292 --> 00:25:04,129 Women were literally falling at his feet. 448 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:09,009 He always had, you know, lovely, exciting girlfriends. 449 00:25:09,050 --> 00:25:11,678 -There was Carolyn Herbert, the Di lookalike; 450 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,888 Broadway star Finola Hughes; 451 00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:16,141 Carolyn Seaward, a former beauty queen; 452 00:25:16,182 --> 00:25:18,143 model Katie Rabbett. 453 00:25:18,184 --> 00:25:21,855 The list, constantly updated by a watchful British press, 454 00:25:21,896 --> 00:25:23,690 goes on and on. 455 00:25:27,277 --> 00:25:29,696 -And then he met a lovely, beautiful 456 00:25:29,738 --> 00:25:32,407 American actress, Koo Stark. 457 00:25:32,449 --> 00:25:34,909 Of course, you know, everybody then starts saying, 458 00:25:34,951 --> 00:25:38,204 "Well, who exactly is Koo Stark?" 459 00:25:38,246 --> 00:25:41,082 -Prince Andrew is off on a Caribbean vacation. 460 00:25:41,124 --> 00:25:43,877 He certainly deserves that after the war in the Falklands, 461 00:25:43,918 --> 00:25:45,754 but it is who he is with 462 00:25:45,795 --> 00:25:48,423 that has made headlines. 463 00:25:48,465 --> 00:25:49,883 -It turned out, as an actress, 464 00:25:49,924 --> 00:25:51,926 she'd appeared in an art house movie 465 00:25:51,968 --> 00:25:53,762 where there were sex scenes. 466 00:25:53,803 --> 00:25:55,972 -I want you to make love to me. 467 00:25:57,766 --> 00:25:59,768 -This suddenly became unacceptable 468 00:25:59,809 --> 00:26:02,270 to the British public. 469 00:26:02,312 --> 00:26:07,275 The thought was she wasn't suitable marriage material. 470 00:26:07,317 --> 00:26:10,111 -Ms. Stark, are you here on vacation? 471 00:26:10,153 --> 00:26:11,738 -Can we please talk to you for a minute? 472 00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:13,782 I know this is difficult. 473 00:26:13,823 --> 00:26:15,867 -Just for a minute. 474 00:26:17,786 --> 00:26:19,871 -British tabloids are brutal in their quest 475 00:26:19,913 --> 00:26:21,414 for new narratives all the time. 476 00:26:21,456 --> 00:26:23,124 I mean, they build you up and they crush you. 477 00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:26,461 And we saw this with Meghan Markle and Harry. 478 00:26:26,503 --> 00:26:30,965 -I'm sure that Koo Stark was Andrew's first true love, 479 00:26:31,007 --> 00:26:33,259 and I think it was mutual. 480 00:26:33,301 --> 00:26:36,137 -Prince Andrew, I think, wanted to marry Koo Stark. 481 00:26:36,179 --> 00:26:38,890 She clearly made him very happy. 482 00:26:38,932 --> 00:26:41,976 -But it was bringing the family into disrepute. 483 00:26:42,018 --> 00:26:45,313 Whatever was hanging on Prince Andrew 484 00:26:45,355 --> 00:26:47,816 was bouncing off on the rest of the family 485 00:26:47,857 --> 00:26:51,236 and had the potential to damage the institution. 486 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:53,988 -Andrew came under tremendous pressure 487 00:26:54,030 --> 00:26:56,074 in the court of public opinion, 488 00:26:56,116 --> 00:26:58,368 and perhaps as well from his own family, 489 00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:01,996 that, no, he could not marry Koo Stark. 490 00:27:02,038 --> 00:27:05,041 You know, he needs to find an English rose, a British girl. 491 00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:06,626 -Koo, this way. -Koo! 492 00:27:06,668 --> 00:27:10,839 -So, ultimately, they split up. 493 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,591 The pressure was too great. 494 00:27:13,633 --> 00:27:16,011 -Good morning. -Morning, Sarah. 495 00:27:16,052 --> 00:27:18,930 -And then came Fergie, as she's become known. 496 00:27:18,972 --> 00:27:23,059 -Sarah Ferguson, age 26, upbringing impeccable, 497 00:27:23,101 --> 00:27:25,478 social connections excellent. 498 00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:31,067 -Sarah's a close friend of the Princess of Wales. 499 00:27:31,109 --> 00:27:32,777 The two were frequently seen together, 500 00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:36,031 but at that time the cameramen weren't paying so much attention 501 00:27:36,072 --> 00:27:39,659 to Diana's red-headed companion. 502 00:27:39,701 --> 00:27:41,995 -In contrast to Koo Stark, 503 00:27:42,037 --> 00:27:43,872 Fergie actually knew a little bit more 504 00:27:43,913 --> 00:27:47,334 about the workings of the royal family. 505 00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:50,962 Her father was Prince Charles' polo manager, 506 00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:53,757 and in fact Fergie had already met Prince Andrew 507 00:27:53,798 --> 00:27:56,176 when they were kids together. 508 00:27:56,217 --> 00:28:00,388 -The first time that I can remember was on the polo ground, 509 00:28:00,430 --> 00:28:04,017 the usual place where everybody meets. 510 00:28:04,059 --> 00:28:06,019 -Could I ask you if you could tell us 511 00:28:06,061 --> 00:28:08,480 what you like about each other? 512 00:28:08,521 --> 00:28:10,065 -Oh. -Wit. 513 00:28:10,106 --> 00:28:12,108 Charm. -Yes, probably. 514 00:28:12,150 --> 00:28:14,402 -Yes. -Mm-hmm. And the red hair. 515 00:28:14,444 --> 00:28:15,904 -And the good looks. 516 00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:20,116 Sorry. 517 00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:24,371 -Buckingham Palace rang to the happy cries 518 00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:25,580 of photographers today 519 00:28:25,622 --> 00:28:27,791 with the universally expected announcement 520 00:28:27,832 --> 00:28:29,793 of their engagement. 521 00:28:31,419 --> 00:28:36,007 -Andrew and Sarah Ferguson were a fantastic couple. 522 00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:39,177 She was bright, beautiful, gung-ho, 523 00:28:39,219 --> 00:28:41,096 would do anything for a laugh. 524 00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:42,972 Ow don't squeeze my fingers. 525 00:28:43,014 --> 00:28:44,265 Ow! -Kiss me, then. 526 00:28:44,307 --> 00:28:46,309 -When Fergie came into the picture, 527 00:28:46,351 --> 00:28:48,895 Prince Andrew thought he was more than a royal. 528 00:28:48,937 --> 00:28:51,648 I think he thought he was a celebrity. 529 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:53,233 -You're a monster. 530 00:28:53,274 --> 00:28:55,985 -He just loved every bit of attention he got. 531 00:28:56,027 --> 00:28:59,030 -Oh, God! Don't fall over top of the wall! 532 00:29:00,824 --> 00:29:04,536 -The British royal family is the world's longest running show, 533 00:29:04,577 --> 00:29:08,790 and what's happening now is the introduction of a new character. 534 00:29:10,583 --> 00:29:13,962 -The interest in Andy and Fergie's wedding was immense. 535 00:29:14,004 --> 00:29:17,132 -It's the true air of expectation here this morning 536 00:29:17,173 --> 00:29:21,970 because these people have been waiting all night long. 537 00:29:22,012 --> 00:29:23,972 I'm being swept forward with the crowd. 538 00:29:24,014 --> 00:29:25,348 In fact, I don't think 539 00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:27,142 I could get away from them if I wanted to. 540 00:29:28,685 --> 00:29:33,481 -The public has always been fascinated by celebrity. 541 00:29:33,523 --> 00:29:36,651 And the highest celebrity you can get is the Queen's family. 542 00:29:41,865 --> 00:29:46,119 They were this talisman of the new modern royal family. 543 00:29:46,161 --> 00:29:49,956 A couple who genuinely delighted in each other. 544 00:29:49,998 --> 00:29:51,666 So, everybody thought, "Wow." 545 00:29:51,708 --> 00:29:54,419 If something had ever happened to Prince Charles, 546 00:29:54,461 --> 00:29:57,380 it would be Andrew that would be our future king. 547 00:29:57,422 --> 00:30:00,008 -There was a sense that the dashing second son 548 00:30:00,050 --> 00:30:02,552 had married this joyful redhead 549 00:30:02,594 --> 00:30:04,262 and everything was upbeat. 550 00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:08,308 But, of course, very fast it collapsed. 551 00:30:15,357 --> 00:30:17,317 -What have you learned so things can be better 552 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,027 for the tourists this year? 553 00:30:19,069 --> 00:30:20,570 -We got a terrific range of merchandise. 554 00:30:20,612 --> 00:30:22,155 It's so good. Look at this tie. 555 00:30:22,197 --> 00:30:25,575 Now, that is part of this year's merchandise. 556 00:30:25,617 --> 00:30:30,080 -When I joined Buckingham Palace in 1988, my job was 557 00:30:30,121 --> 00:30:32,582 as one of the Queen's press secretaries. 558 00:30:32,624 --> 00:30:35,502 In those days, the media was sort of trumpeting 559 00:30:35,543 --> 00:30:39,506 the arrival of Fergie and Andrew as a breath of fresh air. 560 00:30:39,547 --> 00:30:40,757 -Fergie! 561 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,468 -But I hate that phrase, "breath of fresh air," 562 00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:45,387 because it didn't take long for that air 563 00:30:45,428 --> 00:30:48,139 to turn very, very stale. 564 00:30:49,516 --> 00:30:51,935 They couldn't maintain an air of decorum. 565 00:30:51,976 --> 00:30:55,188 -Prince Andrew and Fergie were sort of early adopters 566 00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:58,024 of leveraging titles for all sorts of deals. 567 00:31:00,735 --> 00:31:02,987 -There was that story we broke in The Sun. 568 00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:05,198 When they had their second child, 569 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,742 they posed up for Hello Magazine. 570 00:31:09,619 --> 00:31:14,040 And the rumor was that they'd been paid £250,000 for. 571 00:31:14,082 --> 00:31:18,044 And in those days that was seen as an extremely un-royal, 572 00:31:18,086 --> 00:31:19,671 exploitative thing to do. 573 00:31:19,713 --> 00:31:20,964 -They were a brand. 574 00:31:21,006 --> 00:31:22,716 You know, today we hear about this all the time, 575 00:31:22,757 --> 00:31:24,467 everybody's a brand, but not in those days. 576 00:31:24,509 --> 00:31:26,636 And I think, you know, the two of them sat down 577 00:31:26,678 --> 00:31:30,724 and said, you know, "We should monetize ourselves." 578 00:31:30,765 --> 00:31:33,309 -They were thought to be cheapening the monarchy. 579 00:31:33,351 --> 00:31:35,562 I think that was a major turning point 580 00:31:35,603 --> 00:31:38,898 It seemed to sort of go downhill from there, actually. 581 00:31:40,817 --> 00:31:44,446 -Her Royal Highness, the fair Duchess of York. 582 00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:49,576 I think Fergie thought it would be champagne all the way, 583 00:31:49,617 --> 00:31:52,996 it's gonna be fun, fun, fun. 584 00:31:53,038 --> 00:31:54,789 But it wasn't fun. 585 00:31:56,541 --> 00:32:00,670 Fergie was thrust into the royal world without Prince Andrew 586 00:32:00,712 --> 00:32:03,548 because he was still in the navy. 587 00:32:05,425 --> 00:32:07,218 -She was very unhappy very quickly, 588 00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:10,263 because she really saw Andrew never. 589 00:32:10,305 --> 00:32:12,474 I think she saw him for something like 40 days 590 00:32:12,515 --> 00:32:14,392 in the first year of her marriage. 591 00:32:14,434 --> 00:32:16,186 -He's doing the H... 592 00:32:16,227 --> 00:32:19,189 or helicopter... something instructor school. 593 00:32:20,815 --> 00:32:23,568 -And here she was, this young bride, 594 00:32:23,610 --> 00:32:26,154 stuck in this gloomy marriage. 595 00:32:26,196 --> 00:32:28,740 She was miserable and forlorn 596 00:32:28,782 --> 00:32:31,785 and quickly started sort of acting out. 597 00:32:34,746 --> 00:32:37,374 -Tabloid newspapers published pictures today 598 00:32:37,415 --> 00:32:40,085 of a topless Fergie sunbathing in Saint-Tropez 599 00:32:40,126 --> 00:32:41,628 with her financial adviser. 600 00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:44,506 -One picture showed him kissing the Duchess' foot. 601 00:32:44,547 --> 00:32:47,676 Several featured the pair in intimate embrace. 602 00:32:50,762 --> 00:32:55,058 -The pictures of Fergie went 'round the world. 603 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:57,310 The public was shocked. 604 00:32:57,352 --> 00:33:00,939 Anybody who cared about the royals was shocked. 605 00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:04,359 And the royal family were totally disgusted. 606 00:33:06,695 --> 00:33:11,574 -The reaction was one of absolute horror. 607 00:33:11,616 --> 00:33:13,618 -Buckingham Palace issued a statement 608 00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:15,745 strongly disapproving of the photographs 609 00:33:15,787 --> 00:33:18,415 and the circumstance in which they were taken. 610 00:33:18,456 --> 00:33:20,000 -Once those pictures had come out, 611 00:33:20,041 --> 00:33:24,796 Prince Philip refused to even be in the same room as Sarah, 612 00:33:24,838 --> 00:33:27,757 and Andrew was very weak when it came to his father. 613 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,677 Because he has no agency of his own, 614 00:33:30,719 --> 00:33:35,015 essentially he allowed Fergie to be sort of banished. 615 00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:37,475 -The Duke of York, who suffered the humiliation 616 00:33:37,517 --> 00:33:38,852 of pictures of his half-naked wife 617 00:33:38,893 --> 00:33:40,562 being published throughout the world, 618 00:33:40,603 --> 00:33:42,522 looked calm today as he was driven to church 619 00:33:42,564 --> 00:33:44,190 in the front seat of the Queen's car, 620 00:33:44,232 --> 00:33:48,236 as the marriage of her second son falls so publicly apart. 621 00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:53,908 That was 1992, the Queen's annus horribilis. 622 00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:56,411 One of those years when anything that could go wrong, 623 00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:58,163 did go wrong, 624 00:34:00,957 --> 00:34:03,543 -It's clear that what we're witnessing here 625 00:34:03,585 --> 00:34:05,962 is a national tragedy. 626 00:34:06,004 --> 00:34:10,592 The fight to save one of the nation's best-loved buildings. 627 00:34:10,633 --> 00:34:12,802 -Buckingham Palace made it official today -- 628 00:34:12,844 --> 00:34:16,222 the Prince and Princess of Wales are to separate. 629 00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:17,891 -The sad end to a partnership 630 00:34:17,932 --> 00:34:21,978 and the start of a potentially damaging era for the monarchy. 631 00:34:22,020 --> 00:34:28,068 -1992 is not a year on which I shall look back 632 00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:29,903 with undiluted pleasure. 633 00:34:29,944 --> 00:34:34,741 It has turned out to be an annus horribilis. 634 00:34:34,783 --> 00:34:37,702 -It was at that time it was decided 635 00:34:37,744 --> 00:34:40,997 that Fergie and Andrew should split. 636 00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:44,000 So, the queen did nip it in the bud pretty quickly 637 00:34:44,042 --> 00:34:48,797 because it's about protecting the backsides of her children. 638 00:34:50,965 --> 00:34:53,593 -If you look at Prince Andrew's choices in life, 639 00:34:53,635 --> 00:34:57,263 you get an idea of what kind of person he is. 640 00:34:57,305 --> 00:34:59,933 -The prince was touring a housing project yesterday, 641 00:34:59,974 --> 00:35:03,061 when he picked up a paint gun and pulled the trigger. 642 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,774 -The prince went to a novelty restaurant 643 00:35:07,816 --> 00:35:10,527 where mock spankings are giving by waitresses 644 00:35:10,568 --> 00:35:12,779 dressed in schoolgirl skirts. 645 00:35:12,821 --> 00:35:14,572 -A British paper revealed the Prince 646 00:35:14,614 --> 00:35:17,283 as few have seen him before. 647 00:35:17,325 --> 00:35:23,289 -Prince Andrew was so different than Prince Charles. 648 00:35:23,331 --> 00:35:27,293 The reputation Prince Charles has is as a statesman. 649 00:35:32,674 --> 00:35:35,051 -Prince Charles is serious. 650 00:35:35,093 --> 00:35:36,720 -Ladies and gentlemen... 651 00:35:36,761 --> 00:35:40,682 -You know, he is genuinely committed to the monarchy. 652 00:35:40,724 --> 00:35:42,726 -To many of us in the West... 653 00:35:42,767 --> 00:35:45,645 -There is something quite studious about him. 654 00:35:45,687 --> 00:35:49,441 And the same cannot be said for Prince Andrew. 655 00:35:56,114 --> 00:35:58,950 -Andrew and Charles have never really been close, 656 00:35:58,992 --> 00:36:01,369 because there's an over-10-year age gap. 657 00:36:01,411 --> 00:36:02,912 So, Andrew always grew up knowing 658 00:36:02,954 --> 00:36:04,831 that Charles was obviously the heir to the throne 659 00:36:04,873 --> 00:36:07,667 and he wasn't, but Andrew had the edge over Charles, 660 00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,836 because Andrew's always known 661 00:36:09,878 --> 00:36:12,964 that he had the Queen's intense affection -- 662 00:36:13,006 --> 00:36:16,384 that, actually, he is her favorite. 663 00:36:16,426 --> 00:36:18,470 That's given him a lot of leverage. 664 00:36:18,511 --> 00:36:20,805 We saw this with Fergie. 665 00:36:23,308 --> 00:36:24,809 -London's Somerset House. 666 00:36:24,851 --> 00:36:26,853 Here, the divorce court in which the Yorks' marriage 667 00:36:26,895 --> 00:36:28,563 was this morning effectively ended. 668 00:36:28,605 --> 00:36:31,524 On the railings outside, theirs the last of 29 669 00:36:31,566 --> 00:36:33,068 quickie divorce cases listed, 670 00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:37,030 for HRH The Duke of York and HRH The Duchess of York. 671 00:36:37,072 --> 00:36:39,616 -The collapse of the marriage to Sarah Ferguson 672 00:36:39,657 --> 00:36:41,284 was a disaster, 673 00:36:41,326 --> 00:36:43,370 in terms of both their reputations. 674 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,291 -But Andrew has always really stayed in love with Fergie. 675 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:51,169 -They still live together, very near to the Queen. 676 00:36:51,211 --> 00:36:53,922 -And they moved in very, very wealthy circles, 677 00:36:53,963 --> 00:36:57,676 and they wanted to be like those friends. 678 00:37:01,471 --> 00:37:03,682 -If global elitism has a capital, 679 00:37:03,723 --> 00:37:08,019 it is surely here in Davos. 680 00:37:08,061 --> 00:37:11,564 -So, here's the thing about royals. 681 00:37:11,606 --> 00:37:15,026 When we see Prince Andrew in private jets, 682 00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:17,779 rubbing elbows with billionaires, 683 00:37:17,821 --> 00:37:20,907 doing rich and luxurious things, 684 00:37:20,949 --> 00:37:24,244 our assumption is that, you know, he has to be very rich, 685 00:37:24,285 --> 00:37:25,578 he has to be a billionaire. 686 00:37:25,620 --> 00:37:27,789 But he isn't. 687 00:37:30,458 --> 00:37:31,751 If you're a royal, 688 00:37:31,793 --> 00:37:34,879 unless you're the Queen or Prince Charles, 689 00:37:34,921 --> 00:37:37,048 you're just not that rich. 690 00:37:38,842 --> 00:37:42,137 -The Queen has her own private wealth, 691 00:37:42,178 --> 00:37:47,142 which at Forbes we estimated at $500 million. 692 00:37:47,183 --> 00:37:49,227 She doesn't own Buckingham Palace, 693 00:37:49,269 --> 00:37:54,232 but she owns two castles, worth over $200 million. 694 00:37:54,274 --> 00:37:59,279 Her private income is about $30 million a year. 695 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,655 As the heir to the throne, 696 00:38:00,697 --> 00:38:02,824 Prince Charles has this massive estate 697 00:38:02,866 --> 00:38:05,785 that he has inherited and the private income from that, 698 00:38:05,827 --> 00:38:09,122 which is also about $30 million a year. 699 00:38:09,164 --> 00:38:14,878 But the Queen's other children, obviously, were not as lucky. 700 00:38:14,919 --> 00:38:17,714 Their income is really contingent upon the work 701 00:38:17,756 --> 00:38:19,966 that they do as royals... 702 00:38:20,008 --> 00:38:21,968 -How are you? 703 00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:24,929 -...and also whether their mother wants 704 00:38:24,971 --> 00:38:28,141 to, you know, give them any pocket money. 705 00:38:28,183 --> 00:38:32,812 So, you would ask, what happens to Prince Andrew? 706 00:38:32,854 --> 00:38:38,151 As a working Royal, he made roughly $350,000 a year, 707 00:38:38,193 --> 00:38:40,779 which would pay for a lot of things if you're me. 708 00:38:40,820 --> 00:38:42,655 But if you're Prince Andrew, 709 00:38:42,697 --> 00:38:44,949 living a certain type of lifestyle, 710 00:38:44,991 --> 00:38:47,869 it's not actually a lot of money. 711 00:38:47,911 --> 00:38:51,664 Other royals don't live that flashy lifestyle. 712 00:38:51,706 --> 00:38:53,541 You know, we see them in the news every day. 713 00:38:53,583 --> 00:38:56,169 But it's their royal duties. That's what they're doing. 714 00:38:56,211 --> 00:38:59,005 You know, you're not gonna see them on a private yacht. 715 00:38:59,047 --> 00:39:03,218 But Andrew belongs to a different group of people. 716 00:39:03,259 --> 00:39:08,807 An opulent, luxurious, fancy lifestyle is not something 717 00:39:08,848 --> 00:39:11,976 you can buy out of your own pocket. 718 00:39:12,018 --> 00:39:15,355 So you're dependent financially on your mother. 719 00:39:20,694 --> 00:39:22,362 -This is where you have apartments 720 00:39:22,404 --> 00:39:24,447 when you spend time in London? 721 00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:25,990 -still has these, 722 00:39:26,032 --> 00:39:28,868 and I have what was the Prince of Wales' apartment. 723 00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:31,246 But they're not very big -- they're only about 724 00:39:31,287 --> 00:39:33,540 three or four rooms thick. 725 00:39:33,581 --> 00:39:35,041 -I went to see Prince Andrew once 726 00:39:35,083 --> 00:39:36,918 when he was living in Buckingham Palace, 727 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,213 and I was sort of struck by what a dingy scene it was, 728 00:39:40,255 --> 00:39:41,381 quite honestly. 729 00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:44,134 -And that is now Prince Edward's apartment. 730 00:39:44,175 --> 00:39:46,678 -It was as if he was living in a second-rate hotel. 731 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:48,138 You sort of suddenly saw 732 00:39:48,179 --> 00:39:51,391 just how he has to ask his mother for everything. 733 00:39:51,433 --> 00:39:53,393 He's completely infantilized. 734 00:39:53,435 --> 00:39:54,978 -Prince Andrew's a brat. 735 00:39:55,020 --> 00:39:59,232 In fact, there was a story about how he lines up his teddies 736 00:39:59,274 --> 00:40:02,569 on his bed every night. 737 00:40:02,610 --> 00:40:04,988 -You want the teddy bear story? 738 00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:06,614 As a Royal Protection officer, 739 00:40:06,656 --> 00:40:10,201 we would do security checks on their personal apartments. 740 00:40:10,243 --> 00:40:12,954 I went to Prince Andrew's private apartments, 741 00:40:12,996 --> 00:40:15,749 and he had about, I'd say, 50 or 60 742 00:40:15,790 --> 00:40:17,459 stuffed teddy bears on his bed. 743 00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:18,668 -Is this your teddy? 744 00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:21,379 -He's got a new scarf. 745 00:40:21,421 --> 00:40:24,382 -I thought, for a 41-year-old man, it was a bit odd. 746 00:40:24,424 --> 00:40:25,759 And then I opened the drawer 747 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,927 and there was a laminated picture in the drawer 748 00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:30,305 with picture of the teddy bears all in situ on the bed. 749 00:40:30,347 --> 00:40:34,100 Basically, if those teddy bears aren't put back in that order, 750 00:40:34,142 --> 00:40:36,102 Prince Andrew will shout and scream at the maids, 751 00:40:36,144 --> 00:40:40,357 so they took a picture to make sure they get it right, 752 00:40:40,398 --> 00:40:43,401 -Many grown men, yes, they keep their teddies locked away. 753 00:40:43,443 --> 00:40:45,612 But they don't still have them on their beds 754 00:40:45,653 --> 00:40:47,822 with diagrams for staff to follow. 755 00:40:47,864 --> 00:40:51,117 Most of us have gotten past that. 756 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:55,163 So, the Queen is lumped with this not very clever boy 757 00:40:55,205 --> 00:40:57,040 who wants action. 758 00:40:57,082 --> 00:40:59,250 And she has this kind of conundrum, 759 00:40:59,292 --> 00:41:01,878 which is what are we going to do with Prince Andrew? 760 00:41:03,588 --> 00:41:08,009 -The Duke chose HMS Ark Royal for his farewell to the navy. 761 00:41:08,051 --> 00:41:11,805 -For 22 years, I have thoroughly enjoyed myself 762 00:41:11,846 --> 00:41:13,973 with the likes of you. 763 00:41:14,015 --> 00:41:16,851 -When Prince Andrew retired from the Navy, 764 00:41:16,893 --> 00:41:18,770 he was sort of jobless, 765 00:41:18,812 --> 00:41:20,647 He was also short of money. 766 00:41:20,689 --> 00:41:22,482 He still had a house to upkeep, 767 00:41:22,524 --> 00:41:25,568 he had an ex-wife, he had two daughters, 768 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:29,280 so he was given this job as roving trade ambassador. 769 00:41:31,366 --> 00:41:33,743 Which involved flying around the world, 770 00:41:33,785 --> 00:41:35,954 allegedly promoting British businesses. 771 00:41:35,995 --> 00:41:38,665 -How are you? Nice to see you again. 772 00:41:38,707 --> 00:41:40,417 -A great pleasure. 773 00:41:40,458 --> 00:41:42,836 -It was basically a fake job. 774 00:41:42,877 --> 00:41:44,921 It didn't actually pay, 775 00:41:44,963 --> 00:41:49,718 but it gave him access to a lot of perks. 776 00:41:52,053 --> 00:41:54,764 -He became known as "Air Miles Andy," 777 00:41:54,806 --> 00:41:57,183 because he was constantly on an airplane, 778 00:41:57,225 --> 00:42:00,478 you know, pulling off free trips here, there, and everywhere. 779 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,357 -Air Miles Andy and his travels have been too costly, say some. 780 00:42:04,399 --> 00:42:06,651 His trade envoy work costs the taxpayer 781 00:42:06,693 --> 00:42:09,529 just over £1 million a year. 782 00:42:09,571 --> 00:42:12,365 -Can I ask you about the comments that have been made 783 00:42:12,407 --> 00:42:15,535 about an extravagant lifestyle and so forth -- is that fair? 784 00:42:15,577 --> 00:42:17,203 -What is an extravagant lifestyle? 785 00:42:17,245 --> 00:42:19,497 -Sometimes people do look at the royal family 786 00:42:19,539 --> 00:42:24,586 and see perhaps that privilege is being used to give them 787 00:42:24,627 --> 00:42:27,881 a lifestyle that people might think of as unreasonable. 788 00:42:27,922 --> 00:42:29,257 -Well, I have to ask the question -- 789 00:42:29,299 --> 00:42:31,801 what is a reasonable lifestyle? 790 00:42:34,888 --> 00:42:38,058 -Not long after 9/11, 791 00:42:38,099 --> 00:42:41,853 I went to Bahrain as the deputy ambassador 792 00:42:41,895 --> 00:42:43,855 at the British embassy. 793 00:42:45,148 --> 00:42:48,318 When the Duke of York came in for a visit, 794 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,280 the problems started right from the beginning. 795 00:42:52,322 --> 00:42:58,161 He had a private secretary, two detectives, an equerry, 796 00:42:58,203 --> 00:43:00,580 a lady clerk, as she's called, 797 00:43:00,622 --> 00:43:06,252 whose sole job apparently is to write thank-you letters. 798 00:43:06,294 --> 00:43:09,130 We went with the Bahraini officials in convoy 799 00:43:09,172 --> 00:43:13,385 to the main five-star hotel on the island, 800 00:43:13,426 --> 00:43:17,097 because Duke of York nearly always refuses to stay 801 00:43:17,138 --> 00:43:18,598 at an ambassador's residence 802 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,018 even though it's free, it's paid for by the government. 803 00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:25,689 He always likes to stay in the best hotel. 804 00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:29,484 At one point, I was coordinating things in the foyer 805 00:43:29,526 --> 00:43:32,612 when the valet then turns up with the luggage 806 00:43:32,654 --> 00:43:36,783 and Prince Andrew's six-foot ironing board 807 00:43:36,825 --> 00:43:39,244 and tries to get his ironing board 808 00:43:39,285 --> 00:43:41,955 through the revolving door of the five-star 809 00:43:41,996 --> 00:43:44,124 Ritz-Carlton Hotel. 810 00:43:44,165 --> 00:43:45,625 And I said to the chap, 811 00:43:45,667 --> 00:43:48,586 "Why are you traveling with an ironing board?" 812 00:43:48,628 --> 00:43:50,463 And he said, "I'm the only person that knows 813 00:43:50,505 --> 00:43:56,302 how to iron His Royal Highness' trousers correctly." 814 00:43:56,344 --> 00:43:59,139 The whole thing was an embarrassment. 815 00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:01,891 And then I discovered that all these other people 816 00:44:01,933 --> 00:44:03,727 had the same sort of stories. 817 00:44:03,768 --> 00:44:06,813 -What people really became worried about in the Foreign Office 818 00:44:06,855 --> 00:44:09,566 was not only was he unbelievably oafish 819 00:44:09,607 --> 00:44:12,360 in his kind of social manners, and rude, 820 00:44:12,402 --> 00:44:14,237 but also he would be going off 821 00:44:14,279 --> 00:44:16,823 and doing these side deals with iffy people. 822 00:44:16,865 --> 00:44:19,034 It wasn't even on the agenda. 823 00:44:19,075 --> 00:44:22,245 -I am not doing this, as it were, for my own good. 824 00:44:22,287 --> 00:44:25,290 I am not getting any return for this. 825 00:44:25,331 --> 00:44:28,668 This is all done on behalf of the UK. 826 00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:30,879 It's not done on my behalf. 827 00:44:32,547 --> 00:44:37,177 -He would go off and be partying with these oligarch types, 828 00:44:37,218 --> 00:44:39,512 essentially using the trade ambassadorship 829 00:44:39,554 --> 00:44:45,060 as some kind of springboard for his own sleazy deals. 830 00:44:45,101 --> 00:44:48,688 -For instance, in advance of the Duke of York's last visit 831 00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:50,732 when I was in Bahrain, 832 00:44:50,774 --> 00:44:55,278 the private secretary had told me during the pre-visit meeting 833 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,656 that he might be mentioning Sunninghill Park, 834 00:44:58,698 --> 00:45:03,536 which was his house that had been up for sale for a while. 835 00:45:03,578 --> 00:45:06,206 And I expressed surprise 836 00:45:06,247 --> 00:45:11,002 because I thought this wouldn't be particularly ethical. 837 00:45:13,421 --> 00:45:15,799 -He couldn't unload this house. Nobody wanted to buy it at all. 838 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,052 And then all of a sudden, this oligarch buys this house 839 00:45:19,094 --> 00:45:23,306 for £3 million over the asking price. 840 00:45:23,348 --> 00:45:25,225 The only difference in this house 841 00:45:25,266 --> 00:45:26,726 from when it had first been on the market 842 00:45:26,768 --> 00:45:29,979 was it was now in the flight path of Heathrow Airport. 843 00:45:30,021 --> 00:45:31,981 So, it was actually even less desirable 844 00:45:32,023 --> 00:45:33,692 than it had been a few years before. 845 00:45:33,733 --> 00:45:37,987 It's frankly always been seen as some kind of a dubious deal. 846 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,074 -Prince Andrew, are you gonna resign? 847 00:45:41,116 --> 00:45:43,118 -Prince Andrew, are you an embarrassment, sir? 848 00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:44,911 -Prince Andrew, are you resigning? 849 00:45:44,953 --> 00:45:47,914 -There's no way Prince Charles is gonna accept the freebies 850 00:45:47,956 --> 00:45:49,624 that Prince Andrew has had 851 00:45:49,666 --> 00:45:53,586 and then talk about them and be seen doing them. 852 00:45:53,628 --> 00:45:56,589 -He's become an embarrassment to the royal family. 853 00:45:56,631 --> 00:45:59,092 I think we should say, "Thank you for what you've done 854 00:45:59,134 --> 00:46:02,053 over the years to promote British trade," 855 00:46:02,095 --> 00:46:04,723 but he needs to step back, he needs to go. 856 00:46:04,764 --> 00:46:07,308 -He just kept messing up and making dodgy deals, 857 00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:09,519 and, you know, it came to an abrupt end. 858 00:46:09,561 --> 00:46:12,188 Let's just leave it like that. 859 00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:13,648 -And now he's stepping aside 860 00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:16,109 as the UK special envoy for trade. 861 00:46:16,151 --> 00:46:17,569 It will be seen as a response 862 00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:21,197 to the controversies he's brought upon himself. 863 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,950 -Without all the trade envoy perks, 864 00:46:23,992 --> 00:46:26,161 I think he needed Epstein. 865 00:46:29,497 --> 00:46:33,877 The moment Prince Andrew met Epstein, he said "hoorah" 866 00:46:33,918 --> 00:46:37,422 because Epstein was every dodgy businessman or sheik, 867 00:46:37,464 --> 00:46:39,466 all wrapped up into this one little guy 868 00:46:39,507 --> 00:46:42,594 who offered him everything he wanted. 869 00:46:42,635 --> 00:46:44,471 -When you realize that Prince Andrew himself 870 00:46:44,512 --> 00:46:47,474 is actually not that rich, then you understand 871 00:46:47,515 --> 00:46:52,145 why Jeffrey Epstein would be such an attractive friend. 872 00:46:52,187 --> 00:46:55,065 Because he would foot the bill. 873 00:46:55,106 --> 00:46:58,193 -Fergie needed money to pay off various debts, 874 00:46:58,234 --> 00:47:01,988 and it was Andrew's job to see if Jeffrey Epstein 875 00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:04,240 could perhaps help out a little, 876 00:47:04,282 --> 00:47:06,493 which we later discovered he did. 877 00:47:11,581 --> 00:47:16,169 -It was a pretty good financial-social status trade 878 00:47:16,211 --> 00:47:18,588 that went on between them. 879 00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:21,257 And then, of course, the other great glue between them 880 00:47:21,299 --> 00:47:23,677 was Andrew's sex life. 881 00:47:31,935 --> 00:47:33,978 -Every so often, you know, there used to be rumors that 882 00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:38,566 Prince Andrew and Fergie were getting back together. 883 00:47:41,027 --> 00:47:45,073 -Meanwhile, Andrew started going out with other women. 884 00:47:50,078 --> 00:47:54,457 -After the marriage, he really sort of went into overdrive. 885 00:47:54,499 --> 00:47:56,960 There were models, there were actresses. 886 00:47:57,002 --> 00:48:00,005 -For any young woman, if you are asked out on a date 887 00:48:00,046 --> 00:48:04,050 by Prince Andrew, you're probably not going to say no. 888 00:48:04,092 --> 00:48:06,594 It all looked very glamorous. 889 00:48:06,636 --> 00:48:10,181 -The first time that I met Prince Andrew 890 00:48:10,223 --> 00:48:12,267 was on a double date. 891 00:48:12,308 --> 00:48:14,561 You know, who wouldn't want to be at dinner 892 00:48:14,602 --> 00:48:17,856 with Prince Andrew, you know? 893 00:48:17,897 --> 00:48:20,108 Andrew's a masculine guy, 894 00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:23,111 and the fact that he's flown planes 895 00:48:23,153 --> 00:48:26,364 and he's like a real guy, 896 00:48:26,406 --> 00:48:30,827 and I think women are attracted to that. 897 00:48:30,869 --> 00:48:33,163 It was fun. 898 00:48:33,204 --> 00:48:35,832 But we couldn't go into any place 899 00:48:35,874 --> 00:48:39,627 without there being, you know, 20 photographers outside. 900 00:48:45,342 --> 00:48:48,094 -Prince Andrew was getting an awful lot of attention 901 00:48:48,136 --> 00:48:49,471 and an awful lot of gossip, 902 00:48:49,512 --> 00:48:52,390 which is exactly what he's not supposed to do. 903 00:48:53,975 --> 00:48:55,393 -Thank you much. 904 00:48:57,187 --> 00:48:58,396 -Morning. -Have you got The Independent? 905 00:48:58,438 --> 00:49:00,273 -The Independent's sold out. Sorry. 906 00:49:00,315 --> 00:49:02,859 -In the '90s, it was a tabloid sales frenzy. 907 00:49:02,901 --> 00:49:04,486 -Sold out, sir. Sorry. 908 00:49:07,572 --> 00:49:10,241 If you could get a picture of Andrew with a new girlfriend, 909 00:49:10,283 --> 00:49:11,826 it was worth a lot of money in those days. 910 00:49:11,868 --> 00:49:14,662 And it would sail onto the front page. 911 00:49:23,546 --> 00:49:26,508 -Andrew had finally moved into middle age. 912 00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:29,636 He'd put on weight, he'd got greyer, 913 00:49:29,678 --> 00:49:34,683 but he thought he was still the young Playboy Prince. 914 00:49:34,724 --> 00:49:37,477 -The talk at the dinner parties was that, 915 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,563 you know, he couldn't keep his trousers closed. 916 00:49:47,904 --> 00:49:51,408 -I'd been a sports injury massage therapist 917 00:49:51,449 --> 00:49:53,326 for about ten years. 918 00:49:53,368 --> 00:49:56,454 I got a phone call one Sunday just asking me 919 00:49:56,496 --> 00:49:58,748 if I was available to come and do a home visit. 920 00:49:58,790 --> 00:50:01,793 And I went to the Royal Lodge, and that was the first time 921 00:50:01,835 --> 00:50:03,837 I met Prince Andrew. 922 00:50:03,878 --> 00:50:06,715 His massage table was set up, but it was in a bedroom, 923 00:50:06,756 --> 00:50:09,300 and again I said I don't tend to work in people's bedrooms. 924 00:50:09,342 --> 00:50:11,469 That was completely unusual. 925 00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:14,764 I didn't hear him come in, 926 00:50:14,806 --> 00:50:18,560 but this male voice just announced, 927 00:50:18,601 --> 00:50:20,937 "Great . Do you take it up the ?" 928 00:50:20,979 --> 00:50:25,108 And I shot up. I was absolutely astounded. 929 00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:26,568 And I kind of spun 'round, 930 00:50:26,609 --> 00:50:29,154 and he was sort of standing right up against me, 931 00:50:29,195 --> 00:50:32,657 pretty much nose to nose almost, and thank God I just had 932 00:50:32,699 --> 00:50:34,743 the wherewithal just to say, 933 00:50:34,784 --> 00:50:36,786 you know, "None of your business." 934 00:50:36,828 --> 00:50:39,956 He then said, "You can't talk to me like that." 935 00:50:39,998 --> 00:50:42,250 And I just said, "You can't talk to me like that." 936 00:50:42,292 --> 00:50:46,588 But from then on in, it was just a lot of sexual innuendos, 937 00:50:46,629 --> 00:50:50,425 lots of sex jokes, lost of talk about, you know, 938 00:50:50,467 --> 00:50:53,386 asking me inappropriate questions about sex. 939 00:50:53,428 --> 00:50:56,097 Every time I saw him, he'd try to hug me. 940 00:50:56,139 --> 00:50:57,515 He'd sometimes try and kiss me. 941 00:50:57,557 --> 00:51:00,185 Just a bit weird and creepy, to be honest. 942 00:51:00,226 --> 00:51:04,481 And, quite frankly, a disgusting way to approach a woman. 943 00:51:07,442 --> 00:51:09,110 -Andrew doesn't drink alcohol. 944 00:51:09,152 --> 00:51:12,030 He's never smoked and he's never taken drugs. 945 00:51:12,072 --> 00:51:14,449 But his one big thing is sex. 946 00:51:19,996 --> 00:51:22,123 -My colleagues at Buckingham Palace, 947 00:51:22,165 --> 00:51:23,625 we used to have the joke 948 00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:25,669 that he should have a revolving door in his bedroom, 949 00:51:25,710 --> 00:51:27,587 the amount of women that are going in and out of there. 950 00:51:27,629 --> 00:51:29,964 It was just -- pssh! -- literally every other day 951 00:51:30,006 --> 00:51:31,508 someone would be coming in to see him, 952 00:51:31,549 --> 00:51:33,009 a different one every time. 953 00:51:33,051 --> 00:51:36,346 -These stories started to appear with increasing rapidity. 954 00:51:36,388 --> 00:51:40,684 -And I think for Prince Andrew, having witnessed the demise 955 00:51:40,725 --> 00:51:42,435 of Princess Diana from the press, I think it was 956 00:51:42,477 --> 00:51:46,940 a bit of, you know, "Why are the tabloids doing this to me?" 957 00:51:46,981 --> 00:51:49,693 I think Prince Andrew genuinely believed 958 00:51:49,734 --> 00:51:52,487 that he has his mother's standing. 959 00:51:52,529 --> 00:51:55,782 We all know that even if the Queen 960 00:51:55,824 --> 00:51:58,284 were to have a cocaine-fueled party, 961 00:51:58,326 --> 00:52:01,746 we wouldn't report it, because everybody reveres the Queen. 962 00:52:01,788 --> 00:52:04,833 The difference is, nobody loves Prince Andrew. 963 00:52:04,874 --> 00:52:11,423 -The young Playboy Prince became this sour middle-aged man, 964 00:52:11,464 --> 00:52:14,342 who was rude, who upset people. 965 00:52:14,384 --> 00:52:17,053 And people would leak stories. 966 00:52:19,389 --> 00:52:22,142 -On one occasion, a female turned up 967 00:52:22,183 --> 00:52:26,604 and said that she was here to see Prince Andrew. 968 00:52:26,646 --> 00:52:28,523 We apologized to the young lady and said, "Really sorry, 969 00:52:28,565 --> 00:52:29,858 We can't let you in at the moment 970 00:52:29,899 --> 00:52:32,360 until we can get confirmation from the staff." 971 00:52:32,402 --> 00:52:33,695 So, she said, "That's fine. 972 00:52:33,737 --> 00:52:35,030 Do you want me to ring him on my mobile?" 973 00:52:35,071 --> 00:52:36,698 So, we said, "Yeah. That's fine." 974 00:52:36,740 --> 00:52:38,199 She rang him, and we could hear the conversation. 975 00:52:38,241 --> 00:52:41,745 Anyway, he said, "Put one of the officers on." 976 00:52:41,786 --> 00:52:43,371 My colleagues took the phone. 977 00:52:43,413 --> 00:52:45,874 He shouted at the top of his voice, 978 00:52:45,915 --> 00:52:47,709 "Listen to me, you fat, lardy... 979 00:52:47,751 --> 00:52:50,920 If you don't let my guest in, I'm gonna come down there." 980 00:52:50,962 --> 00:52:52,464 So we just... 981 00:52:52,505 --> 00:52:55,216 And she went bright red. She was embarrassed. 982 00:52:55,258 --> 00:52:58,178 And we just let her in. 983 00:52:58,219 --> 00:53:00,138 You would think a member of the royal family 984 00:53:00,180 --> 00:53:02,599 would have some kind of decorum and respect for the staff 985 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:03,975 that are there and paid to protect them 986 00:53:04,017 --> 00:53:05,894 and look after them, and there's none. 987 00:53:05,935 --> 00:53:09,397 None at all. He's just a horrible person. 988 00:53:09,439 --> 00:53:10,899 He's a bully. 989 00:53:13,151 --> 00:53:15,153 -He became this sad couch potato 990 00:53:15,195 --> 00:53:18,239 living in his grand but dingy apartment, 991 00:53:18,281 --> 00:53:20,825 a certain grievance all the time about the fact 992 00:53:20,867 --> 00:53:22,410 that he wasn't bigger and better than who he was, 993 00:53:22,452 --> 00:53:25,830 and I think it kind of ate away at his soul, really. 994 00:53:28,083 --> 00:53:30,627 -Prince Andrew's daily life in Britain 995 00:53:30,669 --> 00:53:34,255 would be spent inspecting military parades, 996 00:53:34,297 --> 00:53:37,384 cutting ribbons, opening fairs. 997 00:53:43,056 --> 00:53:45,767 His life was probably quite dull. 998 00:53:45,809 --> 00:53:48,353 -He was a sideshow. He wasn't rich enough. 999 00:53:48,395 --> 00:53:50,647 He wasn't the heir to the throne. 1000 00:53:50,689 --> 00:53:53,066 Meanwhile, Epstein was very, very good 1001 00:53:53,108 --> 00:53:54,776 at making him feel that. 1002 00:53:54,818 --> 00:53:57,654 treating him as if he was a major, big deal. 1003 00:53:59,197 --> 00:54:02,033 -Jeffrey Epstein was awash with money, 1004 00:54:02,075 --> 00:54:04,160 and property all over the world, 1005 00:54:04,202 --> 00:54:07,163 and there were a lot of pretty girls around. 1006 00:54:07,205 --> 00:54:10,959 -But the privacy that Epstein offered -- 1007 00:54:11,001 --> 00:54:15,463 the house in Manhattan, the private plane, 1008 00:54:15,505 --> 00:54:18,758 the private islands -- that, for Andrew, was heaven. 1009 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,553 I mean, he was able to behave as badly as he wanted 1010 00:54:21,594 --> 00:54:23,096 behind closed doors. 1011 00:54:23,138 --> 00:54:28,101 -This entire sorry saga boils down to sex and greed. 1012 00:54:28,143 --> 00:54:31,730 Prince Andrew has never had a woman say no to him, 1013 00:54:31,771 --> 00:54:33,606 as far as we know. 1014 00:54:33,648 --> 00:54:37,402 But then we hear about Virginia Roberts Giuffre. 1015 00:54:47,704 --> 00:54:50,248 -So... 1016 00:54:50,290 --> 00:54:53,835 I'd been working on sexual abuse cases for many years. 1017 00:54:53,877 --> 00:54:56,796 -This is the only lawsuit now filed 1018 00:54:56,838 --> 00:54:59,507 by one of Mr. Cosby's sexual assault victims... 1019 00:54:59,549 --> 00:55:02,218 And I represented four young girls 1020 00:55:02,260 --> 00:55:05,638 in the original litigation against Jeffrey Epstein. 1021 00:55:07,223 --> 00:55:09,851 It was incredibly surprising that Prince Andrew 1022 00:55:09,893 --> 00:55:12,145 would associate himself with somebody like that 1023 00:55:12,187 --> 00:55:16,316 and bring such an embarrassment upon the Crown. 1024 00:55:16,358 --> 00:55:18,026 But based upon his history, 1025 00:55:18,068 --> 00:55:21,529 it seems that Prince Andrew has lived his life 1026 00:55:21,571 --> 00:55:23,907 very similar to Jeffrey Epstein, 1027 00:55:23,948 --> 00:55:25,700 which is narcissistic. 1028 00:55:25,742 --> 00:55:27,160 He thinks he's infallible, 1029 00:55:27,202 --> 00:55:30,080 thinks that everyone will believe everything he says 1030 00:55:30,121 --> 00:55:32,374 and that he can basically do whatever he wants, 1031 00:55:32,415 --> 00:55:37,045 whenever he wants, without any consequence or recourse. 1032 00:55:37,087 --> 00:55:41,841 It only changed after Virginia came forward with her story. 1033 00:55:44,302 --> 00:55:48,223 -We turn next to a controversy shaking Britain's royal family. 1034 00:55:48,264 --> 00:55:51,393 Allegations in US federal court by Virginia Roberts. 1035 00:55:51,434 --> 00:55:54,312 -Roberts claims that she was forced to have sexual relations 1036 00:55:54,354 --> 00:55:56,189 with the Prince when she was a minor. 1037 00:55:56,231 --> 00:56:00,902 -The explosive claim blanketing Britain's front pages today. 1038 00:56:00,944 --> 00:56:03,029 -Virginia Roberts was taken under 1039 00:56:03,071 --> 00:56:07,534 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein's wing at a very young age, 1040 00:56:07,575 --> 00:56:10,412 around 15 years old. 1041 00:56:10,453 --> 00:56:12,997 They introduced her to people of notoriety, 1042 00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,750 and one of those people clearly was Prince Andrew. 1043 00:56:15,792 --> 00:56:18,086 -I was woken up by Ghislaine in the morning 1044 00:56:18,128 --> 00:56:19,754 and told I was going to meet a prince. 1045 00:56:19,796 --> 00:56:22,215 -Virginia was groomed and essentially 1046 00:56:22,257 --> 00:56:24,968 made to be a sexual slave of Jeffrey Epstein 1047 00:56:25,010 --> 00:56:27,053 and his friends, which included Prince Andrew. 1048 00:56:27,095 --> 00:56:28,430 -Ghislaine tells me in the car 1049 00:56:28,471 --> 00:56:31,558 that I have to do... what I do for Jeffrey 1050 00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:32,934 for Prince Andrew. 1051 00:56:32,976 --> 00:56:35,937 -It's completely inappropriate behavior 1052 00:56:35,979 --> 00:56:38,273 on behalf of someone like Prince Andrew 1053 00:56:38,314 --> 00:56:42,402 to even be put in a situation with a young girl. 1054 00:56:42,444 --> 00:56:45,071 -Powerful people were allowing this to happen. 1055 00:56:45,113 --> 00:56:48,158 Not only allowing it to happen, but participating in it. 1056 00:56:49,784 --> 00:56:52,954 -When Virginia came out with her story regarding Prince Andrew, 1057 00:56:52,996 --> 00:56:55,832 I felt the same way about her story 1058 00:56:55,874 --> 00:56:57,959 that I originally had felt about the young women 1059 00:56:58,001 --> 00:57:00,962 that represented against Jeffrey Epstein. 1060 00:57:01,004 --> 00:57:02,881 -Do you want to stop for a wee second? 1061 00:57:02,922 --> 00:57:05,133 -If you don't mind. Just for a tissue. I'm sorry. 1062 00:57:05,175 --> 00:57:07,886 -I knew the royal family would attack her, 1063 00:57:07,927 --> 00:57:09,512 make her out as a liar. 1064 00:57:09,554 --> 00:57:13,516 All of the typical tactics that we saw in the Epstein saga, 1065 00:57:13,558 --> 00:57:16,019 I knew were going to happen to her, unfortunately, 1066 00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:20,690 probably tenfold, given who she was going up against. 1067 00:57:20,732 --> 00:57:23,318 -Britain's Prince Andrew is on the defensive this morning. 1068 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,487 Buckingham Palace forcefully denying 1069 00:57:25,528 --> 00:57:27,155 the bombshell allegations. 1070 00:57:27,197 --> 00:57:31,159 -Not one, but an unprecedented four statements issued. 1071 00:57:31,201 --> 00:57:33,828 -Buckingham Palace comes out all guns blazing 1072 00:57:33,870 --> 00:57:36,414 and just denies, denies, denies. 1073 00:57:36,456 --> 00:57:39,668 -"Any suggestion of impropriety with underaged minors 1074 00:57:39,709 --> 00:57:41,711 is categorically untrue." 1075 00:57:41,753 --> 00:57:44,005 -I remember when the story broke, 1076 00:57:44,047 --> 00:57:45,507 Andrew was away skiing. 1077 00:57:45,548 --> 00:57:48,677 And he actually came back to almost direct operations 1078 00:57:48,718 --> 00:57:50,178 in the press office to make sure 1079 00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:52,305 that the wording was absolutely right. 1080 00:57:52,347 --> 00:57:57,185 -I just wish to reiterate and to reaffirm the statements 1081 00:57:57,227 --> 00:57:59,521 which have already been made on my behalf. 1082 00:57:59,562 --> 00:58:02,190 -He was, in effect, denying everything. 1083 00:58:02,232 --> 00:58:04,275 He wasn't in any of these locations, 1084 00:58:04,317 --> 00:58:05,360 he didn't have sex, 1085 00:58:05,402 --> 00:58:07,404 and he certainly didn't know who she was. 1086 00:58:07,445 --> 00:58:08,905 -And her evidence? 1087 00:58:08,947 --> 00:58:11,950 There's this photo from 2001 in London. 1088 00:58:11,991 --> 00:58:15,745 Roberts, 17 at the time, with Prince Andrew. 1089 00:58:15,787 --> 00:58:18,790 She says they had sex that night. 1090 00:58:18,832 --> 00:58:22,752 -As journalists, we say there's no words without a picture. 1091 00:58:22,794 --> 00:58:26,840 And there was this picture of very young 17-year-old Virginia 1092 00:58:26,881 --> 00:58:29,259 standing in Ghislaine Maxwell's home 1093 00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:33,513 with Andrew's pudgy fingers around her bare midriff. 1094 00:58:35,765 --> 00:58:37,517 -The original photographs that everyone saw 1095 00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:41,062 of just Prince Andrew and Epstein hanging out -- 1096 00:58:41,104 --> 00:58:45,233 that's...poor judgment and character. 1097 00:58:45,275 --> 00:58:48,319 But when you actually place Andrew 1098 00:58:48,361 --> 00:58:52,157 with an underage young girl who then comes forward 1099 00:58:52,198 --> 00:58:54,743 and tells the story behind that photograph 1100 00:58:54,784 --> 00:58:56,745 and what had occurred to her, 1101 00:58:56,786 --> 00:59:00,957 that was the pivotal moment in changing the entire story 1102 00:59:00,999 --> 00:59:03,752 Was he just a bad judge of character? 1103 00:59:03,793 --> 00:59:07,797 Or was he instead an actual sexual abuser? 1104 00:59:10,050 --> 00:59:13,178 He was going to drag the entire royal family 1105 00:59:13,219 --> 00:59:16,056 into a disastrous circumstance. 1106 00:59:16,097 --> 00:59:20,352 -So, the Buckingham Palace machinery kicked into action 1107 00:59:20,393 --> 00:59:24,689 and shut the whole Virginia thing down. 1108 00:59:24,731 --> 00:59:26,274 -I've had this story for three years. 1109 00:59:26,316 --> 00:59:29,444 I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts. 1110 00:59:29,486 --> 00:59:31,321 We would not put it on the air. 1111 00:59:31,363 --> 00:59:33,281 First of all, I was told, "Who's Jeffrey Epstein? 1112 00:59:33,323 --> 00:59:35,700 No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story." 1113 00:59:35,742 --> 00:59:38,119 Um, then the Palace found out 1114 00:59:38,161 --> 00:59:41,206 that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew 1115 00:59:41,247 --> 00:59:44,084 and threatened us a million different ways. 1116 00:59:46,002 --> 00:59:48,880 -Power can be very scary to large news institutions 1117 00:59:48,922 --> 00:59:51,591 or television studios or whatnot, 1118 00:59:51,633 --> 00:59:55,220 and unfortunately what happens in sexual abuse oftentimes 1119 00:59:55,261 --> 00:59:57,972 is that it is a "he said, she said" story. 1120 00:59:58,014 --> 01:00:00,183 You have a young girl on the one hand, 1121 01:00:00,225 --> 01:00:03,311 and you have royalty on the other. 1122 01:00:03,353 --> 01:00:05,980 The press and the media have a healthy fear 1123 01:00:06,022 --> 01:00:09,401 of the repercussions of putting out a story. 1124 01:00:09,442 --> 01:00:13,113 And that fear really is what kept news media out 1125 01:00:13,154 --> 01:00:15,031 of not only the Prince Andrew story, 1126 01:00:15,073 --> 01:00:18,910 but as well, the Jeffrey Epstein story from the beginning. 1127 01:00:30,380 --> 01:00:33,675 I still remember it today. I was sleeping. 1128 01:00:33,717 --> 01:00:35,385 It was early in the morning. 1129 01:00:35,427 --> 01:00:39,347 I got a phone call from another attorney. 1130 01:00:39,389 --> 01:00:41,766 And he said, "Are you watching the news?" 1131 01:00:41,808 --> 01:00:44,561 -Billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested. 1132 01:00:44,602 --> 01:00:47,022 -Arrested and charged with sex trafficking. 1133 01:00:47,063 --> 01:00:48,648 -Good morning. 1134 01:00:48,690 --> 01:00:52,902 Today we announce the unsealing of sex trafficking charges 1135 01:00:52,944 --> 01:00:55,030 against Jeffrey Epstein. 1136 01:00:55,071 --> 01:00:58,533 If you have evidence or information, 1137 01:00:58,575 --> 01:01:01,119 we want to hear from you. 1138 01:01:01,161 --> 01:01:04,581 -When Epstein was re-arrested in 2019, 1139 01:01:04,622 --> 01:01:09,586 my first thought was, "What are the victims gonna think?" 1140 01:01:09,627 --> 01:01:13,381 I was hopeful that maybe the full story would come out 1141 01:01:13,423 --> 01:01:17,260 and these girls would finally see some justice done. 1142 01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:25,060 -2019 was like a new era. 1143 01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:28,938 -The Me Too social media campaign 1144 01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:32,942 against sexual harassment is now spilling into the streets. 1145 01:01:32,984 --> 01:01:35,445 -Women suddenly had a voice. 1146 01:01:36,279 --> 01:01:37,739 They were speaking out. 1147 01:01:41,284 --> 01:01:44,871 -Harvey Weinstein, a grotesque abuser of women, 1148 01:01:44,913 --> 01:01:46,831 had been convicted. 1149 01:01:46,873 --> 01:01:48,375 -The verdict a victory 1150 01:01:48,416 --> 01:01:51,461 for the Me Too movement and his accusers. 1151 01:01:51,503 --> 01:01:55,090 -Everybody thought, "At last, justice is about to be done." 1152 01:01:55,131 --> 01:01:56,966 -It was a completely different world 1153 01:01:57,008 --> 01:02:00,470 that that was entering into where people were now listening 1154 01:02:00,512 --> 01:02:02,681 to these women about their story. 1155 01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:08,353 -Epstein's arrest must have shaken a lot of people 1156 01:02:08,395 --> 01:02:10,939 who'd been involved with Epstein. 1157 01:02:10,980 --> 01:02:12,649 -Now we'll have to wait and see 1158 01:02:12,691 --> 01:02:15,485 whether Epstein is gonna name names. 1159 01:02:15,527 --> 01:02:17,529 -It is time for Jeffrey Epstein 1160 01:02:17,570 --> 01:02:20,657 and those who participated in these sex crimes 1161 01:02:20,699 --> 01:02:22,701 to be brought to justice. 1162 01:02:22,742 --> 01:02:25,954 -Epstein being arrested was a body blow for Andrew, 1163 01:02:25,995 --> 01:02:30,125 but that wasn't the worst thing that happened for him. 1164 01:02:32,335 --> 01:02:34,713 -Breaking news out of New York -- 1165 01:02:34,754 --> 01:02:37,799 Jeffrey Epstein is dead. 1166 01:02:37,841 --> 01:02:39,843 -When Epstein dies in jail, 1167 01:02:39,884 --> 01:02:43,805 everyone starts turning their sights to who's left behind -- 1168 01:02:43,847 --> 01:02:45,807 people like Ghislaine Maxwell. 1169 01:02:45,849 --> 01:02:48,601 -And tonight, the whereabouts of Ghislaine Maxwell 1170 01:02:48,643 --> 01:02:50,061 still a mystery. 1171 01:02:50,103 --> 01:02:52,313 -When this story couldn't get any weirder, 1172 01:02:52,355 --> 01:02:54,357 Ghislaine simply vanished. 1173 01:02:54,399 --> 01:02:56,776 -Where is Ghislaine Maxwell? 1174 01:02:56,818 --> 01:02:58,028 -We don't know where she is. 1175 01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:59,404 -We don't know exactly where she is. 1176 01:02:59,446 --> 01:03:01,489 It sounds like she may be in Europe. 1177 01:03:01,531 --> 01:03:03,199 -This woman's just disappeared off the face of the Earth 1178 01:03:03,241 --> 01:03:04,659 and she's key to all of this. 1179 01:03:04,701 --> 01:03:07,537 -And that's when the story really started to blow up 1180 01:03:07,579 --> 01:03:08,997 for Prince Andrew. 1181 01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:12,417 -Suddenly Andrew found himself in the red-hot spotlight. 1182 01:03:18,256 --> 01:03:21,551 -The Daily Mail has got 10 questions here 1183 01:03:21,593 --> 01:03:25,347 that it believes the Palace should be answering. 1184 01:03:25,388 --> 01:03:27,724 -As the story began to unfold, 1185 01:03:27,766 --> 01:03:32,562 Prince Andrew took it upon himself to do an interview. 1186 01:03:34,647 --> 01:03:36,358 -His decision to do that interview 1187 01:03:36,399 --> 01:03:38,360 was the most unbelievable, 1188 01:03:38,401 --> 01:03:40,737 self-destructive decision you could possibly make. 1189 01:03:40,779 --> 01:03:43,948 I mean, Andrew strapped on a suicide vest 1190 01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:48,661 and sat down with one of the most forensic interviewers. 1191 01:03:48,703 --> 01:03:52,248 I was actually sweating on his behalf. 1192 01:03:54,292 --> 01:03:56,670 -It was a Saturday night in November. 1193 01:03:56,711 --> 01:03:59,547 I sat down on my sofa at my home in London 1194 01:03:59,589 --> 01:04:04,052 and, oh, I was just stunned. 1195 01:04:04,094 --> 01:04:05,387 -I'm just trying to work this out. 1196 01:04:05,428 --> 01:04:06,721 You were staying at the house -- 1197 01:04:06,763 --> 01:04:08,807 -Yes. -...of a convicted sex offender? 1198 01:04:10,225 --> 01:04:11,893 It was a convenient place to stay. 1199 01:04:11,935 --> 01:04:14,104 There's -- I-I mean, and I've gone through this 1200 01:04:14,145 --> 01:04:15,855 in my mind so many times. 1201 01:04:15,897 --> 01:04:18,775 And I-I admit fully that -- that -- 1202 01:04:18,817 --> 01:04:23,571 that -- that my judgment was probably coloured 1203 01:04:23,613 --> 01:04:26,366 by my, um... 1204 01:04:26,408 --> 01:04:28,410 tendency to be too honorable. 1205 01:04:28,451 --> 01:04:32,080 But that's just the way it is. 1206 01:04:32,122 --> 01:04:34,290 -I watched the Newsnight interview 1207 01:04:34,332 --> 01:04:36,251 with growing disbelief, really. 1208 01:04:36,292 --> 01:04:39,087 -Do you regret the whole friendship with Epstein? 1209 01:04:41,798 --> 01:04:43,758 Now? Mm, ah, still not. 1210 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:45,343 -I mean, there was a point where I wanted 1211 01:04:45,385 --> 01:04:46,928 to stuff my own fist in my mouth 1212 01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:50,557 and I was sort of like, "No! Oh, my God! Oh!" 1213 01:04:50,598 --> 01:04:52,934 -You threw a birthday party, um, 1214 01:04:52,976 --> 01:04:55,520 for Epstein's girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell. 1215 01:04:55,562 --> 01:04:56,813 -N-No... 1216 01:04:56,855 --> 01:04:58,481 It was a shooting weekend. -A shooting weekend? 1217 01:04:58,523 --> 01:04:59,649 -Just a straightforward -- 1218 01:04:59,691 --> 01:05:01,443 straightforward shooting weekend. 1219 01:05:01,484 --> 01:05:04,988 -It was quite astonishing, the excuses he came up with. 1220 01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:06,698 -Here's the problem. 1221 01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:09,993 I've never seen Epstein with a camera in my life. 1222 01:05:10,035 --> 01:05:13,455 -Andrew said the picture of him with Virginia was fake. 1223 01:05:13,496 --> 01:05:14,789 -And that's a -- that's a picture of me. 1224 01:05:14,831 --> 01:05:16,541 It's not a picture of -- I don't believe 1225 01:05:16,583 --> 01:05:18,084 it's a picture of me in London, 1226 01:05:18,126 --> 01:05:21,046 because when I would go out -- when I go out in London, 1227 01:05:21,087 --> 01:05:23,298 I wear a suit and a tie. 1228 01:05:23,340 --> 01:05:25,842 -It was just, you know, great conspiracy theory. 1229 01:05:25,884 --> 01:05:28,345 -The photograph was taken upstairs, 1230 01:05:28,386 --> 01:05:31,097 and I don't think I ever went upstairs. 1231 01:05:31,139 --> 01:05:32,640 -You-- You're sure about that? -Yeah, because the -- 1232 01:05:32,682 --> 01:05:34,392 because the -- because the dining room 1233 01:05:34,434 --> 01:05:36,811 and everything was on the -- was on the ground floor. 1234 01:05:36,853 --> 01:05:39,773 -That interview utterly ripped to shreds 1235 01:05:39,814 --> 01:05:41,816 every one of his excuses. 1236 01:05:41,858 --> 01:05:43,818 -You have to -- You have to understand that -- that... 1237 01:05:43,860 --> 01:05:46,196 I-I-I-I...I-I... 1238 01:05:46,237 --> 01:05:48,698 But -- But... But I-I-I... 1239 01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:50,241 -Yeah. 1240 01:05:50,283 --> 01:05:52,327 -It essentially revealed him to the public 1241 01:05:52,369 --> 01:05:56,456 as absolutely beyond the pale. 1242 01:05:56,498 --> 01:05:58,792 -She described dancing with you. -No. 1243 01:05:58,833 --> 01:06:01,419 -And you profusely sweating. 1244 01:06:01,461 --> 01:06:04,839 -And that she went on to have a bath possibly -- 1245 01:06:04,881 --> 01:06:06,675 -There's a slight problem with -- with -- with -- 1246 01:06:06,716 --> 01:06:08,718 with -- with the sweating, um, 1247 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:14,933 because I-I-I have a peculiar m-medical condition 1248 01:06:14,974 --> 01:06:16,768 which is that I don't sweat, um, 1249 01:06:16,810 --> 01:06:19,854 or I didn't sweat at the time, and that was... 1250 01:06:19,896 --> 01:06:21,064 Uh, was it...? 1251 01:06:21,106 --> 01:06:22,774 Yes, I didn't sweat at the time, 1252 01:06:22,816 --> 01:06:27,028 because I, um, h-had suffered what I would describe 1253 01:06:27,070 --> 01:06:29,906 as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War 1254 01:06:29,948 --> 01:06:31,908 when I was shot at... 1255 01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:37,831 -And then, of course, newspapers found pictures of him 1256 01:06:37,872 --> 01:06:39,874 wearing almost the same blue shirt 1257 01:06:39,916 --> 01:06:42,752 sweating, at that time. 1258 01:06:44,838 --> 01:06:47,716 And then, you know, there was the Pizza Express story, 1259 01:06:47,757 --> 01:06:51,428 -On that particular day, I was at home. 1260 01:06:51,469 --> 01:06:53,680 Uh, I was with the children, and I'd taken Beatrice 1261 01:06:53,722 --> 01:06:59,561 to, uh, a Pizza Express in Woking for a party. 1262 01:06:59,602 --> 01:07:01,646 -Why would you remember that so specifically? 1263 01:07:01,688 --> 01:07:04,065 Why would you remember a-a Pizza Express birthday 1264 01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:06,943 and being at home? -Because going to Pizza Express 1265 01:07:06,985 --> 01:07:10,864 in Woking is an unusual thing for me to do. 1266 01:07:12,949 --> 01:07:15,660 -Woking is a strange little town not far from Windsor. 1267 01:07:15,702 --> 01:07:18,705 And the idea of Prince Andrew picking his daughter up 1268 01:07:18,747 --> 01:07:22,250 from a Pizza Express in Woking became a joke. 1269 01:07:22,292 --> 01:07:23,585 -He can't remember meeting a woman 1270 01:07:23,626 --> 01:07:25,170 and having a photo with her, 1271 01:07:25,211 --> 01:07:29,007 but he can remember a pizza he had 18 years ago. 1272 01:07:30,383 --> 01:07:32,177 -Saying that you went to Pizza Express 1273 01:07:32,218 --> 01:07:33,595 for a bit in the afternoon 1274 01:07:33,636 --> 01:07:36,556 isn't an alibi to cover the whole evening. 1275 01:07:36,598 --> 01:07:38,808 It has "express" in the title. 1276 01:07:46,232 --> 01:07:47,776 -Prince Andrew is an idiot 1277 01:07:47,817 --> 01:07:50,111 for having agreed to have done the interview. 1278 01:07:50,153 --> 01:07:53,239 I would've put my foot firmly down and said, "Don't do it. 1279 01:07:53,281 --> 01:07:54,783 You're not allowed to do it." 1280 01:07:54,824 --> 01:07:58,995 -Andrew thought that his word would be taken as gospel. 1281 01:08:01,247 --> 01:08:03,291 He later actually told his mother 1282 01:08:03,333 --> 01:08:06,211 that it had gone rather well. 1283 01:08:06,252 --> 01:08:09,255 -Andrew thought, "Ah, I've got a vehicle. 1284 01:08:09,297 --> 01:08:12,676 I can justify my friendship and I can clear my name." 1285 01:08:12,717 --> 01:08:14,761 Well, he didn't justify his friendship, 1286 01:08:14,803 --> 01:08:17,097 and he certainly didn't clear his name. 1287 01:08:19,349 --> 01:08:20,684 -Backlash this morning. 1288 01:08:20,725 --> 01:08:22,477 -Did you watch the interview? 1289 01:08:22,519 --> 01:08:25,355 -This interview sparking an immediate firestorm. 1290 01:08:25,397 --> 01:08:28,692 -Absolute car crash. 1291 01:08:28,733 --> 01:08:30,610 -The headlines have been scathing. 1292 01:08:30,652 --> 01:08:33,530 A "car crash," "toe-curling," "insane" 1293 01:08:33,571 --> 01:08:35,949 were some of the quotes. 1294 01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:39,536 -Prince Andrew may have hoped to answer the burning questions. 1295 01:08:39,577 --> 01:08:42,497 Instead, he's poured gas on the flames. 1296 01:08:48,461 --> 01:08:51,047 -After the Newsnight interview, 1297 01:08:51,089 --> 01:08:55,010 the Queen went riding with him in Windsor Great Park, 1298 01:08:55,051 --> 01:08:57,637 knowing the photographers were there. 1299 01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:00,515 The Queen is very canny. She's not an idiot at all. 1300 01:09:00,557 --> 01:09:02,225 She wanted to support him. 1301 01:09:02,267 --> 01:09:06,771 And she decided that she believed what her son told her. 1302 01:09:13,111 --> 01:09:14,988 -Right after the interview that Prince Andrew gave, 1303 01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:17,407 the US Attorneys' office made it abundantly clear 1304 01:09:17,449 --> 01:09:19,993 that they wanted to speak with him. 1305 01:09:20,035 --> 01:09:21,703 -The Southern District of New York 1306 01:09:21,745 --> 01:09:25,206 and the FBI have contacted Prince Andrew's attorneys 1307 01:09:25,248 --> 01:09:28,835 and requested to interview Prince Andrew. 1308 01:09:28,877 --> 01:09:34,883 And to date, Prince Andrew has provided zero cooperation. 1309 01:09:34,924 --> 01:09:36,718 -If Prince Andrew was already feeling the heat, 1310 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:41,723 imagine how he felt when Ghislaine was found hiding. 1311 01:09:41,765 --> 01:09:43,850 -At 8:30 this morning, federal agents 1312 01:09:43,892 --> 01:09:46,102 zeroed in on this New Hampshire house, 1313 01:09:46,144 --> 01:09:49,898 where they arrested Ghislaine Maxwell. 1314 01:09:49,939 --> 01:09:52,984 -People speculated that Ghislaine had tapes 1315 01:09:53,026 --> 01:09:57,489 that, you know, Jeffrey Epstein had made that she was gonna use 1316 01:09:57,530 --> 01:10:00,158 and was her "get out of jail free" card. 1317 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,118 Andrew must have been terrified. 1318 01:10:03,953 --> 01:10:07,540 -A yellow US-style bus drove past Buckingham Palace 1319 01:10:07,582 --> 01:10:09,793 in a move designed to press the Prince 1320 01:10:09,834 --> 01:10:14,089 to help authorities investigate Jeffrey Epstein. 1321 01:10:14,130 --> 01:10:17,175 -If Prince Andrew was truly innocent, 1322 01:10:17,217 --> 01:10:19,552 he should've been stepping forward and telling the truth 1323 01:10:19,594 --> 01:10:21,721 to the US Attorneys and the prosecutors 1324 01:10:21,763 --> 01:10:24,599 because he was an integral witness. 1325 01:10:24,641 --> 01:10:28,812 So, if he was innocent, he should have talked. 1326 01:10:30,271 --> 01:10:34,359 But he didn't. And Virginia filed her lawsuit. 1327 01:10:34,401 --> 01:10:37,362 -New legal trouble for Britain's Prince Andrew. 1328 01:10:37,404 --> 01:10:38,738 Virginia Roberts Giuffre 1329 01:10:38,780 --> 01:10:41,616 is now suing the son of Queen Elizabeth. 1330 01:10:41,658 --> 01:10:44,869 -I'm calling BS on this, because that's what it is. 1331 01:10:44,911 --> 01:10:47,122 -Virginia was determined now to hit back. 1332 01:10:47,163 --> 01:10:50,709 -I won't stop fighting, I will never be silenced, 1333 01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:53,628 until these people are brought to justice. 1334 01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:56,214 -It's a testament to Virginia's strength 1335 01:10:56,256 --> 01:11:01,428 that over the years she has been consistent with her story. 1336 01:11:01,469 --> 01:11:03,471 And yet, at the same time, 1337 01:11:03,513 --> 01:11:09,185 you see an incredible inconsistency by Prince Andrew. 1338 01:11:09,227 --> 01:11:12,188 -I think she'd been goaded for so long 1339 01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:16,192 that she was like, "Right. I'll sue him too." 1340 01:11:18,194 --> 01:11:21,448 Meanwhile, Prince Andrew was determined 1341 01:11:21,489 --> 01:11:24,701 to avoid this lawsuit. 1342 01:11:24,743 --> 01:11:26,161 -They couldn't serve the papers, 1343 01:11:26,202 --> 01:11:28,872 because he was hiding up at Balmoral. 1344 01:11:30,999 --> 01:11:33,251 -Prince Andrew claimed the visit to Balmoral 1345 01:11:33,293 --> 01:11:35,170 was just a normal visit, 1346 01:11:35,211 --> 01:11:39,674 but during that time, his first grandchild was born 1347 01:11:39,716 --> 01:11:41,051 back down in London. 1348 01:11:41,092 --> 01:11:43,511 He did not leave the Queen's estate 1349 01:11:43,553 --> 01:11:46,389 to see his first grandchild. 1350 01:11:46,431 --> 01:11:48,600 He seemed to think that if he refused to accept 1351 01:11:48,641 --> 01:11:51,644 the paperwork, that would be good enough. 1352 01:11:53,855 --> 01:11:55,857 -But this evening, at a virtual hearing 1353 01:11:55,899 --> 01:11:57,776 of this New York courthouse, 1354 01:11:57,817 --> 01:12:00,695 a judge will be told that Ms. Giuffre's legal team 1355 01:12:00,737 --> 01:12:03,531 did serve the necessary papers on the royal, 1356 01:12:03,573 --> 01:12:06,576 and the clock should now be ticking. 1357 01:12:08,328 --> 01:12:11,539 -Then he came out with some ludicrous statement -- 1358 01:12:11,581 --> 01:12:13,625 "Well, I'm going to go to court." 1359 01:12:13,667 --> 01:12:17,003 He obviously wasn't listening to anybody. 1360 01:12:17,045 --> 01:12:20,465 He was a bit like a hare running into the headlights, 1361 01:12:20,507 --> 01:12:22,801 not knowing which way to run. 1362 01:12:25,804 --> 01:12:29,057 -Prince Andrew hired incredibly expensive lawyers 1363 01:12:29,099 --> 01:12:31,643 to defend Virginia's lawsuit. 1364 01:12:31,685 --> 01:12:34,396 They lodged all kinds of attacks 1365 01:12:34,437 --> 01:12:36,272 against her complaint that were filed -- 1366 01:12:36,314 --> 01:12:38,733 things such as the statute of limitations, 1367 01:12:38,775 --> 01:12:40,735 the fact that she wasn't a resident here 1368 01:12:40,777 --> 01:12:42,904 because she had moved to Australia, 1369 01:12:42,946 --> 01:12:45,115 the fact Prince Andrew was a foreign dignitary 1370 01:12:45,156 --> 01:12:48,326 and could not be sued because of his status. 1371 01:12:50,161 --> 01:12:53,248 -But the judge was having none of it. 1372 01:12:53,289 --> 01:12:54,582 He said no. 1373 01:12:54,624 --> 01:12:57,127 You know, "This case is gonna happen." 1374 01:12:57,168 --> 01:12:59,254 -Prince Andrew has failed in his bid 1375 01:12:59,295 --> 01:13:02,590 to get a civil case dismissed by a US judge. 1376 01:13:02,632 --> 01:13:04,342 -Prince Andrew, will you cooperate 1377 01:13:04,384 --> 01:13:05,927 with lawyers in America? 1378 01:13:05,969 --> 01:13:07,762 -The Palace ultimately saw 1379 01:13:07,804 --> 01:13:11,224 this was an absolute unmitigated disaster. 1380 01:13:11,266 --> 01:13:15,020 There was no way that they could come back from that. 1381 01:13:15,061 --> 01:13:17,480 And at that point, they had to distance 1382 01:13:17,522 --> 01:13:19,607 themselves from Prince Andrew. 1383 01:13:19,649 --> 01:13:21,651 -Will you recover from this, sir? 1384 01:13:30,326 --> 01:13:32,996 -The Queen loves her son 1385 01:13:33,038 --> 01:13:36,416 and she has very much supported him 1386 01:13:36,458 --> 01:13:38,376 by being seen with him. 1387 01:13:41,379 --> 01:13:46,051 But she's also aware of the public feeling against him. 1388 01:13:48,219 --> 01:13:51,264 -After the Newsnight interview, the Queen saw that 1389 01:13:51,306 --> 01:13:57,479 Prince Andrew had the potential to damage the institution. 1390 01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,191 To her, the institutional monarchy is more important 1391 01:14:01,232 --> 01:14:03,651 than safeguarding some of the stupid things 1392 01:14:03,693 --> 01:14:05,862 that your children have done. 1393 01:14:05,904 --> 01:14:10,367 So she took the decision to effectively fire him. 1394 01:14:15,246 --> 01:14:17,540 -Buckingham Palace has announced that Prince Andrew 1395 01:14:17,582 --> 01:14:22,545 is returning his royal and military titles to the Queen. 1396 01:14:22,587 --> 01:14:27,717 -She decided to strip Andrew of all his appointments 1397 01:14:27,759 --> 01:14:31,638 and fire him from front-line royal duties. 1398 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,057 -He is no longer a functioning member 1399 01:14:34,099 --> 01:14:36,017 of the public royal family... 1400 01:14:36,059 --> 01:14:39,020 -And will no longer be referred to as His Royal Highness. 1401 01:14:39,062 --> 01:14:42,065 -Royal commentators call the decision damage control. 1402 01:14:42,107 --> 01:14:43,900 -Given everything that has happened 1403 01:14:43,942 --> 01:14:46,695 since Prince Andrew appeared on television, 1404 01:14:46,736 --> 01:14:49,114 the Queen had little choice. 1405 01:14:49,155 --> 01:14:51,825 -That's very difficult for any mother to do, 1406 01:14:51,866 --> 01:14:54,119 but she saw the need to do it 1407 01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:57,330 because at the end of the day, the buck stops with her. 1408 01:14:58,289 --> 01:15:01,209 And it's the same thing with Virginia Roberts Giuffre. 1409 01:15:01,251 --> 01:15:04,838 There was nobody going to let him appear in court. 1410 01:15:04,879 --> 01:15:06,798 -Prince Andrew and Virginia Giuffre 1411 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,092 have reached an out-of-court settlement. 1412 01:15:09,134 --> 01:15:11,302 -The sum of which is not being disclosed. 1413 01:15:11,344 --> 01:15:14,681 -A clear sign the disgraced royal wants to put this case 1414 01:15:14,723 --> 01:15:17,142 and the controversy behind him. 1415 01:15:19,352 --> 01:15:22,605 -I think Prince Andrew must have been in pieces, 1416 01:15:22,647 --> 01:15:24,524 because he's always gotten his own way. 1417 01:15:24,566 --> 01:15:27,110 -That must have been a very hard pill to swallow. 1418 01:15:27,152 --> 01:15:31,281 Not just settling, but how was he going to settle? 1419 01:15:31,322 --> 01:15:33,533 Because he didn't have the money. 1420 01:15:33,575 --> 01:15:35,744 All sorts of figures were bandied about -- 1421 01:15:35,785 --> 01:15:39,873 $10 million, $15 million, $20 million. 1422 01:15:39,914 --> 01:15:41,082 We don't know. 1423 01:15:41,124 --> 01:15:42,625 -And there were reports that said 1424 01:15:42,667 --> 01:15:46,838 that part of the bill was covered by the Queen herself. 1425 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,257 -It was obviously substantial, but... 1426 01:15:49,299 --> 01:15:50,967 it does beg the question, doesn't it? 1427 01:15:51,009 --> 01:15:53,136 I mean, he claimed he didn't know her, 1428 01:15:53,178 --> 01:15:55,930 but why are you paying somebody you don't know? 1429 01:16:00,602 --> 01:16:05,065 -Andrew refuses to accept today that he's done. 1430 01:16:05,106 --> 01:16:07,984 I mean, he really believes that he can come back, 1431 01:16:08,026 --> 01:16:10,487 because as a prince and as a son of the Queen, 1432 01:16:10,528 --> 01:16:13,073 everything always has really gone his way. 1433 01:16:13,114 --> 01:16:15,116 -His mother still loves him, 1434 01:16:15,158 --> 01:16:17,452 but does his older brother love him? 1435 01:16:26,503 --> 01:16:30,298 -The question is what happens when Prince Charles takes over? 1436 01:16:30,340 --> 01:16:33,134 Or Prince William, who I know and I've heard 1437 01:16:33,176 --> 01:16:35,303 has no time for this at all. 1438 01:16:44,145 --> 01:16:46,189 -It's a big dilemma for the monarchy, 1439 01:16:46,231 --> 01:16:48,566 what to do to stash, frankly, a very healthy, 1440 01:16:48,608 --> 01:16:50,819 62-year-old man who lives a stone's throw 1441 01:16:50,860 --> 01:16:53,863 from Windsor Castle and doesn't want to go anywhere. 1442 01:16:53,905 --> 01:16:55,031 -He can't work. 1443 01:16:55,073 --> 01:16:58,326 He can't represent the royal family. 1444 01:16:58,368 --> 01:17:01,204 -He's not been found guilty of any crime. 1445 01:17:01,246 --> 01:17:05,208 But he's been sentenced by the court of public opinion. 1446 01:17:05,250 --> 01:17:08,044 And the court of public opinion is important 1447 01:17:08,086 --> 01:17:10,130 because they are the people 1448 01:17:10,171 --> 01:17:14,634 who decide whether the monarchy is retained or not. 1449 01:17:14,676 --> 01:17:17,429 -He's out in the cold. 1450 01:17:17,470 --> 01:17:21,683 -It's important to remember that Prince Andrew is not a victim. 1451 01:17:21,725 --> 01:17:24,436 I think he would like us to think he's a victim. 1452 01:17:24,477 --> 01:17:28,440 But he was a very active participant in his own demise. 1453 01:17:28,481 --> 01:17:30,942 Not only did he make bad choices, 1454 01:17:30,984 --> 01:17:34,654 but morally questionable choices. 1455 01:17:36,448 --> 01:17:39,701 And only he is to blame for his behavior. 1456 01:17:47,083 --> 01:17:49,252 -Let them through, please! 1457 01:17:51,546 --> 01:17:54,466 -This is a key moment for the victims. 1458 01:17:54,507 --> 01:17:58,720 Virginia Roberts Giuffre, Prince Andrew's accuser. 1459 01:18:06,019 --> 01:18:08,897 -Today was a towering day for justice. 1460 01:18:08,938 --> 01:18:12,150 -If there's one person in this entire sordid story 1461 01:18:12,192 --> 01:18:14,110 who has the information 1462 01:18:14,152 --> 01:18:17,447 that could terrify Andrew, it's Ghislaine. 1463 01:18:17,489 --> 01:18:19,366 -I think any of the coconspirators 1464 01:18:19,407 --> 01:18:21,451 that have been involved in this trafficking ring 1465 01:18:21,493 --> 01:18:24,537 have to be very nervous right now. 1466 01:18:24,579 --> 01:18:27,457 -Ghislaine will appeal this case, 1467 01:18:27,499 --> 01:18:31,670 and we are confident that she will prevail on appeal. 1468 01:18:39,010 --> 01:18:40,387 -I don't think that Ghislaine 1469 01:18:40,428 --> 01:18:42,263 wants to spend the rest of her life in prison 1470 01:18:42,305 --> 01:18:47,602 so some wealthy men can get away with it. 1471 01:18:47,644 --> 01:18:52,107 -I think that anyone who was involved with Jeffrey Epstein, 1472 01:18:52,148 --> 01:18:54,484 which includes Prince Andrew, 1473 01:18:54,526 --> 01:18:57,862 should be nervous about Ghislaine Maxwell talking. 1474 01:18:57,904 --> 01:19:02,367 She is really the person that holds all the secrets. 1475 01:19:04,536 --> 01:19:07,288 This really isn't the end of the story.