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[orchestral music playing]

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Hello, this is Rudy Giuliani
with Rudy's Common Sense.

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This episode
is going to concern itself

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with what really happened
on January 6th, 2021.

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[inaudible yelling]

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[classical music playing]

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The narrative here

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is that the speech
or speeches given

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had something to do
with the violence

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that took place
at the Capitol.

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The simple fact is

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that the two things
are separate from each other.

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[inaudible yelling]

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It was a rally of love.

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Let's have trial by combat.

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[Trump] The radical left knows
exactly what they're doing.

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They're ruthless

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and it's time that somebody
did something about it.

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[Giuliani] Nothing
said at the rally

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would amount
to inciting anything

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and it didn't incite anything.

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[glass shatters]

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They all seem
to be really nice people.

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[all chanting]

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Where and how they can blame it
on Donald Trump

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is part
of the sickness of our age.

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[inaudible yelling]

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[Trump] Everyone here
will soon be marching over

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to the Capitol building

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to peacefully
and patriotically

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make your voices heard.

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[rioter yells]
What the fuck, let's go!

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[Giuliani]
Something very serious

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has gone wrong
in our country.

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We have got to change back
to what it used to be.

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This is about time
to take a short break.

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["A Message to You, Rudy"
by The Specials playing]

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-So help me God.
-So help me God.

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♪ Rudy

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[upbeat classical music playing]

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[reporter] Rudolph Giuliani
has been called many things.

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Republican, Democrat,

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The Big Apple's mayor,

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America's mayor,
mafia fighter,

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and opera lover.

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[Giuliani] See,
I started an opera club

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-when I was in high school.
-[interviewer] Really? Wow.

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[Giuliani] Uh,
and as a teenager

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I would go off
to the Metropolitan Opera

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and stand on line.

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[reporter] Diamonds, glitter,
and new fashions predominate

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as the Metropolitan Opera
Company opens its 83rd season.

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Party [indistinct]
waited up to six days in line

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for standing
room only tickets.

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[Giuliani] From then on,

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I've been collecting opera,
going to opera.

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All my life.

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It's been a wonderful
source of relaxation

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and leading
a somewhat complicated life,

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at times, you know,
I think it's saved me

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an enormous amount of money
in psychiatric bills.

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[laughs]

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[interviewer laughs]
Okay, okay, I'll take that.

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[classical music playing]

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[Kirtzman] I've kind of bought

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into the whole
man of destiny thing.

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Felt that way
even at the beginning

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when I first met him,

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I saw something in him
that was rare

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for the politicians
that I covered.

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The most important question
to arise from this.

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As the mayor comes down,

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we will be able
to hear from his own words.

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I covered Giuliani
starting in 1993

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and I've been writing
about him ever since.

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So I have kind of a PhD
in Rudy Giuliani.

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[inaudible dialogue]

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One of the things
that's so fascinating

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is his family story.

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I mean Giuliani grew up

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in a family
of cops and robbers, literally.

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My father had very,
very strong moral views

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about being honest

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and would give me
long lectures

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about never making money
the centerpiece of your life

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and you can be destroyed
if you do

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and, uh,
being true to yourself.

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And he was-- he was a very
strong influence on-- on me.

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[Kirtzman] He talked
so passionately and emotionally

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about his father,
about the lessons

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that his father taught him.

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All these things
that were antithetical

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to how Harold himself
was living his life.

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[audience applauding]

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♪ Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Giuliani

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♪ Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Giuliani

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[Kirtzman] There was a story
about Rudy's father

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where one day
he and an accomplice

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decided to rob a milkman.

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♪ His father
robbed a milkman ♪

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Harold made him
take his pants down...

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to tie up his legs
and his-- his hands.

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♪ They locked him up
in Sing Sing ♪

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After prison, Harold went
to work as a bouncer

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for his brother-in-law,
who was basically a mobster.

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♪ He worked with his hands,
he worked with his hands ♪

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And when it was time
to collect,

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that's where Harold
came in handy.

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-[thumping]
-[audience gasps]

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♪ Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Giuliani

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And then
a couple of years later...

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Giuliani was born.

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[vocalizing]

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-[baby cries]
-[audience applauding]

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[Kirtzman] The family
moved out of Brooklyn

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to protect Rudy...

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and they lived in suburbia.

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He grew up in
a very, very Catholic world

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and, you know, in later years
he gave this famous speech

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equating freedom with authority

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and, uh, that I think
trace back to the values

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that weren't so treasured
by the church.

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He went into the law

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I think because the law
also had its own rules.

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There was right,
there was wrong,

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and there was someone
who could enforce it.

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You know,
he kind of lived life

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as a priest
in a pinstripe suit.

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[upbeat pop music playing]

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He had made his mark
as a high-ranking member

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of the Reagan
justice department.

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People started to recognize
Giuliani's accomplishments

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and then he was offered
the job as US Attorney

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for the Southern District
of New York.

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[reporter] New York.

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The Big Apple.

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Things have changed...

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and the man
who's made them change

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is Rudy Giuliani

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and we're here
in New York City

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to talk to the people
about Rudolph Giuliani

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and to hear
the people speak.

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-Excuse me, sir.
-Yes?

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What do you think
of Giuliani?

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What the hell's a Giuliani?

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[reporter] We're here
with a busload

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of Rudy Giuliani's
fans and admirers.

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Come on in.

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I know they're here somewhere.

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What do you think
of Giuliani?

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Who?

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I don't know him that well.

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[reporter] What do you think
of Rudy Giuliani?

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[classical music playing]

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[Giuliani] I see my job as,
in some ways,

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I wouldn't call it a crusade,

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but part of
the excitement of the job

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is the feeling of fulfillment

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in being able
to remove from society

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some people
who do terrible harm to it.

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[inaudible]

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[Kirtzman] There's
this old saying

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that if you're gonna hit
a home run,

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do it in Yankee stadium.

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This was a grand stage
in the grandest city.

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This is a guy
who likes to be the star

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of his own show

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and that job
allowed him to do that.

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[Eolis] During the course
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I have been an entrepreneur,

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I have been part of
the political maelstrom

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and I was an advisor
to Rudy Giuliani.

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In my spare time,

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I'm a serious,

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internationally recognized
poker competitor.

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When he took
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he clearly wanted
to rid the world

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of what he believed
were really bad guys.

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Corruption on Wall Street.

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[Giuliani] Whether it's insider
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the overwhelming general rule
is that you go to prison.

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[Eolis] Corruption
in the City.

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[Giuliani] That a government
agency can be run

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as an enterprise
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to make millions and millions
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It's a tragic thing.

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And he was very focused
on the mob.

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[Giuliani] We're very conscious
of the fact that the mafia

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is the most powerful organized
crime group in New York.

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They institutionally
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but I'm hopeful that
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about the power
of organized crime.

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The commission case against
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that I developed
reading Joe Bonanno's book.

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It occurred to me that we
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against the commission
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[Corleone] [indistinct] I want
to thank you for helping me

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organize this meeting--

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[Kirtzman]
Joe Bonanno described

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this kind of Godfather scene

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where the heads of the mobsters
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and carve out their territory.

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Giuliani,
the lore that he's created

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was that--
that was a light bulb moment

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where he's like, "Well, forget
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I'm gonna prosecute them
all as one."

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[Giuliani] This is a great day
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but probably the worst
for the mafia.

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This case charges
more mafia bosses

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in one indictment
than any ever before.

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[Dietl] I never wanted
to be a cop.

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It was this way.

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I grew up in Ozone Park.

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I grew up with a guy
named John Gotti, the father.

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Ralphie Scopo, the father.

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He used to go meet
Sammy the Weasel

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on 33rd Street
and Lexington Avenue.

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"You're going to be
a concrete laborer."

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I was up there
and freezing my ass off.

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I said to myself,

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"Is this what I want to do
the rest of my life?"

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And, uh, I then decided,
let me try this cop shit.

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But I'm gonna
tell you something,

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what Rudy did
with the commission case

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was probably the most
important thing

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to dismantle organized crime
with the five crime families.

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And a lot of
my Italian friends

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are not in love
with Rudy Giuliani. [laughs]

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It was so harrowing
in its audacity.

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It seemed
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um, but he knew
what he was doing

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and, um, you know, that was
a very, very thrilling trial

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and the fact that he won,
you know, what could be better?

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Do you feel strongly

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about a lot of things
in your own life?

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I mean, do you have codes
that you live by, that are--

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you're not
wishy-washy at all on?

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Oh, sure.
There are things that are

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very, very important
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and the most important
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is what I think of myself
and my family thinks of me

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in any decision that I make.

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I mean that's-- uh, that's
the way I define myself.

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I mean, I-- uh,

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that's-- that is
in fact the way I think,

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that's the way
I was brought up

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to what my father
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"When you make a decision,
the most important thing

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you've got to think about is
can you shave the next morning

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and look at yourself
in the mirror

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and feel good
about yourself?"

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[Kirtzman] Part of his mystique
was his incorruptibility.

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He had a reputation
as being someone

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who could not be bought.

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There's a story that, uh,

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a childhood friend
of his told me,

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which, uh,
he came to Giuliani's office

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with this, uh,
framed eight by ten picture

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of both
of their fathers together

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back in the--
you know, back in the day,

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gave it to Giuliani
and Giuliani said,

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"This is a great picture"

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and pulled it out of the frame
and gave the frame back

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and he said,
"I cannot accept a gift."

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And that was kind of
the Rudy Giuliani of that era.

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Someone who was scrupulous
about, uh, ethics.

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[Eolis] In the years
that I knew him,

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I think he believed
that his compass was focused

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all the time on morality,

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but I think
he had a very strong view

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of his own
righteous indignation.

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Rudy had no patience

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with even getting
all of the facts.

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If someone had disappointed him

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in terms of their morals,
their loyalty.

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[Lee]
For mental health experts,

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it's often an alarm signal

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when one is too moralistic

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or one presents oneself
as too confident.

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These can be what are called
reaction formation,

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meaning an attempt to overcome

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one's inner sense of inadequacy

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or one's inner sense
of corruption and criminality

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by projecting oneself

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and even convincing oneself
in the process

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that one is truly moral
and stands above others.

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[host] If there's a throwback
to the legendary mob busters

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like Eliot Ness in the 1930s,

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it's probably Rudolph Giuliani.

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Though he doesn't
tote a shotgun

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as Ness did
in the Al Capone era,

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Mr. Giuliani has become

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a high profile
white-hatted gangbuster

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in an age when the
public yearns
for someone to prove

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that crime doesn't pay.

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Mr. Rudolph Giuliani.

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[audience applauding]

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Thank you very much.

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It's nice of all of yous
to be here.

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[audience laughs]

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[epic music playing]

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♪ He fights the criminals,
la la la la la ♪

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♪ He knows the path between
right and wrong ♪

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♪ Whichever side he's on,
la la la la la ♪

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♪ It's always
the righteous one ♪

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♪ Straight and strong

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♪ Straight and strong

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[Kirtzman] He created
this template

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of US Attorney as rock star

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that hadn't ever existed before.

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[vocalizing]

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♪ He's perfect

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♪ He is perfect

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He had made no secret
of the fact

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that his goal
was really politics.

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So, I don't think

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that the fame
as US Attorney changed him.

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I think it was more, like,

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there was always
kind of a grand plan

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in Rudy Giuliani's mind.

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[Giuliani] In the spirit
of Laguardia,

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I announced my candidacy for
mayor of the city of New York.

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[audience applauding]

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♪ He is a hero

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[indistinct lyrics]

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[indistinct lyrics]

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♪ Because he's been
only perfect ♪

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♪ Because he's been
only perfect ♪

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♪ Because he's been
only perfect ♪

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♪ Perfect, perfect,
perfect, perfect ♪

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[audience applauding]

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[sighs] So what are we talking
about, Afghanistan?

335
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[laughs]

336
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I've often described him
as a guy's guy.

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He was a fun guy
to hang out with

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and he laughed at all my jokes,
so-- so I loved him.

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Wow, that was good.

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00:18:59,834 --> 00:19:01,531
[Frydman] And he really
wanted to win,

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00:19:01,575 --> 00:19:04,621
so it was my good fortune
to work on his campaign.

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The election in 1989

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00:19:06,667 --> 00:19:08,538
between Rudy Giuliani
and David Dinkins

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was absolutely fascinating,

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-[reporter] Mr. Giuliani--
-He has violated--

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I don't-- I don't refer
to that as a violation--

347
00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:17,243
We don't want to get into
too much back and forth here.

348
00:19:17,286 --> 00:19:20,246
If this is your concept
of fairness, Channel Five,

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I gotta tell you,
it's not mine.

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Mr. Giuliani is behaving

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00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,165
like the desperate fellow
that he is.

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[woman]
Hello, how are you?

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We're campaigning
for Rudy Giuliani for mayor.

354
00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:31,387
Hi, how are you doing?

355
00:19:31,431 --> 00:19:32,693
Come say a quick hi
to Rudy Giuliani.

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[Kirtzman] The guy had
never been a politician,

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had never run
for office before,

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and it turned out

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was not particularly
comfortable with people

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and came off as stiff
and a little kind of gloomy.

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00:19:44,922 --> 00:19:46,576
We're sorry for a little bit

362
00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:48,752
of a mix-up there
at the beginning,

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00:19:48,796 --> 00:19:50,276
but I think you'll agree that
everything worked out fine.

364
00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:52,234
All right.
We are-- we are--

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I think we both had
about the same time as you.

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[Giuliani] No, I don't think
we did, but that's--

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Well, it's-- it's up
to the voters now.

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Giuliani went after him
in a very vicious way

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and didn't do his reputation
any good and he lost.

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[audience applauding]

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[Dinkins] Today
I stand here before you

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as the elected leader

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of the greatest city
of a great nation.

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It is a tribute to you,
the people of New York.

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[Frydman] You learn
much more from your defeats

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than your victories

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and Rudy was determined
to avenge his loss.

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[Giuliani]
This city has too much crime,

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this city is
too dangerous.

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The present mayor
runs away from that,

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it's statistics
he doesn't understand.

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[Kirtzman] I went out
to breakfast with Rudy

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and he kind of just laid
out his rationale

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for why he would win in '93

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when he had lost in '89.

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00:20:48,421 --> 00:20:50,031
So let's start by electing--

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[Kirtzman] It was clear
that the guy had studied

388
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,904
and had done his homework

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and he was also better
on the campaign trail.

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00:20:55,471 --> 00:20:56,646
Thank you very, very much.

391
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[Kirtzman] But everything
in New York City

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at the time
revolved around race.

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00:21:04,132 --> 00:21:07,744
And you know, Dinkins,
as the first Black mayor,

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just encountered

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one excruciating
racial problem after another.

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00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:13,533
And here's Giuliani

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who's kind of playing
the good guy.

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In the campaign for mayor,

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there was this, uh, ability

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to look past anything

401
00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:25,414
that David Dinkins
had accomplished

402
00:21:25,458 --> 00:21:28,809
and just talk about
this perception that...

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00:21:29,766 --> 00:21:32,334
Dinkins had maybe lost control
of his city.

404
00:21:32,856 --> 00:21:35,206
[siren wailing]

405
00:21:35,250 --> 00:21:37,339
There'd been this riot
in Crown Heights.

406
00:21:41,517 --> 00:21:43,432
We've got to
increase the peace.

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00:21:44,651 --> 00:21:46,174
Increase the peace.

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00:21:49,438 --> 00:21:51,266
[Giuliani] He has got
an entire Police Department

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00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:53,877
that doesn't want
to follow him.

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00:21:53,921 --> 00:21:56,010
They're at a point
in which they believe

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that he is being irresponsible
with their lives.

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00:21:59,970 --> 00:22:03,017
In every issue
this mayor is anti-police.

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[Frydman] Dinkins
had an ineffectual management

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of the Police Department...

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and some say
that he-- he favored

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the African
American community...

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00:22:14,594 --> 00:22:16,030
but the police force
at the time

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was primarily white.

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00:22:19,947 --> 00:22:21,688
[Edozien]
There was some resentment

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00:22:21,731 --> 00:22:25,300
to Mayor Dinkins
and what he was doing

421
00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:27,520
and Giuliani felt

422
00:22:27,563 --> 00:22:30,740
that this was an opportunity
to be exploited.

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00:22:30,784 --> 00:22:33,874
I understand the--
the frustration.

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[chanting]
He must go, he must go,

425
00:22:36,616 --> 00:22:39,445
he must go,
he must go,

426
00:22:39,488 --> 00:22:42,273
he must go, he must go,

427
00:22:42,926 --> 00:22:44,667
[Frydman] It was a rally
at City Hall...

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00:22:47,191 --> 00:22:49,324
of 10,000 off-duty police...

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who were unhappy with Dinkins'

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00:22:52,414 --> 00:22:54,198
running of
the Police Department.

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00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:57,376
Assembled in City Hall.

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00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:59,247
[indistinct]

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00:22:59,682 --> 00:23:00,727
When we showed up...

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00:23:01,858 --> 00:23:03,686
10,000 guys
were screaming Rudy...

435
00:23:04,861 --> 00:23:05,949
and I thought...

436
00:23:07,516 --> 00:23:09,213
"That's pretty cool."

437
00:23:09,257 --> 00:23:11,520
Rudy Giuliani
came down the streets.

438
00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:13,827
[all applauding]

439
00:23:13,870 --> 00:23:17,787
-[chanting] Rudy, Rudy, Rudy.
-Thank you.

440
00:23:17,831 --> 00:23:20,921
But you do realize
in retrospect that...

441
00:23:22,749 --> 00:23:25,926
best laid plans
sometimes go awry.

442
00:23:25,969 --> 00:23:29,103
The mayor doesn't know
why the morale

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00:23:29,146 --> 00:23:34,108
of the New York City
Police Department is so low.

444
00:23:34,151 --> 00:23:37,241
The reason the morale
of the Police Department

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00:23:37,285 --> 00:23:39,461
of the City of New York
is so low

446
00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:42,508
is one reason
and one reason alone.

447
00:23:42,551 --> 00:23:44,466
David Dinkins!

448
00:23:46,555 --> 00:23:47,817
Bullshit!

449
00:23:47,861 --> 00:23:50,864
[all applauding]

450
00:23:52,605 --> 00:23:56,130
He-- he yelled bullshit,
he did yell bullshit,

451
00:23:56,173 --> 00:23:59,742
which did provoke the crowd
to yell louder.

452
00:23:59,786 --> 00:24:02,876
[inaudible yelling]

453
00:24:06,270 --> 00:24:09,230
[Dietl] The police officers
surrounded City Hall.

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[Kirtzman] Many of them
had been drinking...

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00:24:14,583 --> 00:24:16,846
and it was one of these things
that kind of turned,

456
00:24:16,890 --> 00:24:18,805
you know,
democracy upside down

457
00:24:18,848 --> 00:24:21,242
where the people who were
charged with enforcing the law

458
00:24:21,285 --> 00:24:22,678
were breaking the law

459
00:24:22,722 --> 00:24:25,159
and doing it
with total impunity.

460
00:24:25,202 --> 00:24:28,249
[chanting] Dinkins must go,
Dinkins must go.

461
00:24:29,293 --> 00:24:30,686
[McCall] There was definitely

462
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a racial overtone
to all of this.

463
00:24:32,949 --> 00:24:34,690
The fact that Mayor Dinkins

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was the first African American
mayor of the city,

465
00:24:36,953 --> 00:24:39,173
no other mayor had been treated
this way,

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00:24:39,216 --> 00:24:42,785
but to see some group
of drunken police officers

467
00:24:42,829 --> 00:24:44,700
assault City Hall,

468
00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:48,530
making terrible racist comments
about Dinkins.

469
00:24:48,574 --> 00:24:50,358
[Dinkins]
Some of them out there

470
00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:52,926
who were calling out nigger,
for instance,

471
00:24:52,969 --> 00:24:55,668
why-- why would the people
of our communities

472
00:24:55,711 --> 00:24:58,192
have confidence
that they have the capacity

473
00:24:58,235 --> 00:25:01,282
to handle a tense situation
in a minority community?

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00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:06,548
[McCall] It was really
a complete breakdown of respect

475
00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:08,811
for an office
and for individuals.

476
00:25:08,855 --> 00:25:12,249
And Rudy Giuliani was
a major participant in that.

477
00:25:12,728 --> 00:25:15,252
This was a time
when we expected people

478
00:25:15,296 --> 00:25:16,863
to come forward and say,

479
00:25:16,906 --> 00:25:18,865
"Let's try to overcome
these conflicts."

480
00:25:18,908 --> 00:25:22,216
Instead, Rudy was trying to
exploit these racial tensions

481
00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:24,740
to advance
his political fortunes.

482
00:25:24,784 --> 00:25:27,961
[chanting] Dinkins must go,
Dinkins must go.

483
00:25:28,004 --> 00:25:30,833
It was clear to people
that this was the beginning

484
00:25:30,877 --> 00:25:34,184
of a very, uh,
dark era in the city.

485
00:25:38,188 --> 00:25:41,844
[Kirtzman] In the '90s New
York City was such a disaster.

486
00:25:42,323 --> 00:25:45,587
You're talking about
2,000 murders per year,

487
00:25:45,631 --> 00:25:47,328
it was crazy.

488
00:25:47,371 --> 00:25:48,851
And then there was a sense
of menace on the street.

489
00:25:48,895 --> 00:25:51,071
There are people
urinating on your step.

490
00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:54,335
There were people
sleeping on the subway cars.

491
00:25:54,378 --> 00:25:56,163
There is graffiti.

492
00:25:56,206 --> 00:25:57,599
I think
it's the most disgusting thing

493
00:25:57,643 --> 00:25:59,340
that New York City has.

494
00:25:59,383 --> 00:26:01,124
[man] There's just
a general and pervasive

495
00:26:01,168 --> 00:26:03,083
lack of consideration
for other people.

496
00:26:03,692 --> 00:26:06,086
People were waiting
for somebody,

497
00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:08,567
with all respect to our--
our mayor--

498
00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:10,569
our mayor prior to Rudy,

499
00:26:10,612 --> 00:26:11,831
uh, what was his name?

500
00:26:12,788 --> 00:26:15,486
Uh, with all respect
to Mayor Dinkins,

501
00:26:15,530 --> 00:26:17,358
crime was surging

502
00:26:17,401 --> 00:26:19,578
and people
were longing for someone

503
00:26:19,621 --> 00:26:21,188
to get us out of the abyss

504
00:26:21,231 --> 00:26:23,886
and Rudy was perfect timing

505
00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,584
for a perfect crusader.

506
00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:27,760
Mayor elected
of the city of New York,

507
00:26:27,803 --> 00:26:29,500
Rudy Giuliani!

508
00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:32,591
[audience applauding]

509
00:26:36,072 --> 00:26:37,770
[Giuliani] If you look
at our people,

510
00:26:37,813 --> 00:26:40,033
they're all saying
the same thing.

511
00:26:40,076 --> 00:26:43,123
Please help us reduce crime.

512
00:26:43,166 --> 00:26:44,733
Please.

513
00:26:44,777 --> 00:26:47,214
Rudy presented proposals

514
00:26:47,257 --> 00:26:50,043
that I think caught the
imagination of-- of people.

515
00:26:50,086 --> 00:26:53,046
His quality of life proposal,
his crime proposals.

516
00:26:53,089 --> 00:26:56,702
He saw a broken city
and he felt that he...

517
00:26:57,703 --> 00:26:58,878
could fix it.

518
00:26:58,921 --> 00:27:00,531
I mean, he had that sense of--

519
00:27:00,575 --> 00:27:02,795
of certitude and he--
and he was right.

520
00:27:05,885 --> 00:27:10,063
[Giuliani] The era of fear
has had a long enough reign.

521
00:27:10,106 --> 00:27:13,893
Look anew at Broadway,
the opera,

522
00:27:13,936 --> 00:27:17,200
the ballet, the museums

523
00:27:17,244 --> 00:27:19,812
as powerful magnets

524
00:27:19,855 --> 00:27:23,772
drawing people
and commerce to our city.

525
00:27:23,816 --> 00:27:25,687
It should be so.

526
00:27:25,731 --> 00:27:27,384
And it will be so.

527
00:27:27,428 --> 00:27:29,952
It should be so
and it will be so.

528
00:27:29,996 --> 00:27:32,259
[audience applauding]

529
00:27:32,302 --> 00:27:34,391
I'll place
a much greater emphasis

530
00:27:34,435 --> 00:27:36,698
on stricter
enforcement of the law.

531
00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:40,006
Now, we will instead
have greater expectations

532
00:27:40,049 --> 00:27:42,486
for the behavior
of our people.

533
00:27:47,622 --> 00:27:49,276
[Kirtzman] There was a lot
in that speech

534
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,234
and harbingers of a lot
that was to come.

535
00:27:51,278 --> 00:27:52,671
I mean, in one sense,

536
00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:54,716
there was
a hopefulness about it.

537
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,327
On the other hand,
there's this glimpse

538
00:27:57,371 --> 00:28:00,069
of the authoritarian
that he would become.

539
00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:01,767
The, you know, "I declare

540
00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:03,899
a new day
in the history of New York."

541
00:28:03,943 --> 00:28:06,641
May God bless each one of us

542
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:09,122
as we prepare
to give our children

543
00:28:09,165 --> 00:28:12,212
a stronger
and a healthier city.

544
00:28:12,255 --> 00:28:13,909
It should be so.

545
00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:15,824
[both] And it will be so.

546
00:28:15,868 --> 00:28:17,043
Thank you.

547
00:28:17,086 --> 00:28:20,089
[audience applauding]

548
00:28:25,268 --> 00:28:29,969
[reporter] [indistinct]

549
00:28:30,012 --> 00:28:32,754
Don't even bother me with
your crap of this campaign.

550
00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:34,974
This Police Department
is independent of it.

551
00:28:35,017 --> 00:28:36,889
You've got a law
and order campaign guy

552
00:28:36,932 --> 00:28:38,586
and he's attacking
the Police Department.

553
00:28:38,629 --> 00:28:40,153
Where the hell do you get off

554
00:28:40,196 --> 00:28:41,937
attacking
this Police Department?

555
00:28:41,981 --> 00:28:43,809
[reporter] We're asking
for an investigation--

556
00:28:43,852 --> 00:28:45,811
You're not gonna get it,
go ask someplace else.

557
00:28:45,854 --> 00:28:46,942
-[man] I, William Bratton...
-I, William Bratton...

558
00:28:46,986 --> 00:28:48,465
Solemnly swear...

559
00:28:48,509 --> 00:28:49,902
[Kirtzman] It's not hard
to understand

560
00:28:49,945 --> 00:28:51,599
why Giuliani
liked Bill Bratton.

561
00:28:51,642 --> 00:28:53,514
He wasn't going to
take any crap.

562
00:28:53,557 --> 00:28:56,256
If they're as hardworking
as they claim they are,

563
00:28:56,299 --> 00:28:57,953
there are a lot of jobs
out there.

564
00:28:57,997 --> 00:29:00,173
Get off the drugs,
get off the booze,

565
00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:02,436
get off their ass,
and get out and work.

566
00:29:02,479 --> 00:29:05,004
[Kirtzman] Giuliani and Bratton
were on the same page

567
00:29:05,047 --> 00:29:08,659
that police weren't there
just to handle crime.

568
00:29:08,703 --> 00:29:11,184
They were there
to reduce crime.

569
00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:12,707
And that was a sea change.

570
00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:27,504
[Bratton] What we brought
to New York in the 1990s

571
00:29:27,548 --> 00:29:30,333
was an embrace
of broken windows policing.

572
00:29:30,943 --> 00:29:32,683
Broken windows is the idea

573
00:29:32,727 --> 00:29:34,773
that if you don't take care
of little things,

574
00:29:34,816 --> 00:29:37,471
such as drug dealers
on the corner,

575
00:29:37,514 --> 00:29:41,301
gangs on the corner,
aggressive begging, graffiti,

576
00:29:41,344 --> 00:29:43,172
they will fester and grow

577
00:29:43,216 --> 00:29:45,827
and create a climate
where worse things can happen,

578
00:29:45,871 --> 00:29:48,264
such as the murders,
rapes, and robberies.

579
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:51,050
Giuliani embraced that.
He empowered it.

580
00:29:51,093 --> 00:29:53,704
He authorized it and it worked.

581
00:29:53,748 --> 00:29:57,404
Crime went down by about 40%
within three years.

582
00:30:03,671 --> 00:30:05,891
[Giuliani]
The single biggest stereotype

583
00:30:05,934 --> 00:30:08,023
is being the most
dangerous city in America.

584
00:30:08,067 --> 00:30:10,199
We're not even
in the top 50 any longer.

585
00:30:10,243 --> 00:30:12,288
We're going to be,
I believe,

586
00:30:12,332 --> 00:30:14,551
just about the safest place
in the United States to be

587
00:30:14,595 --> 00:30:16,118
and we can invite
a lot more people

588
00:30:16,162 --> 00:30:17,337
to come here
and spend money.

589
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:23,952
[Frydman] Given
where the city was,

590
00:30:23,996 --> 00:30:27,216
his first term arguably
was the most significant

591
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:29,131
in the history
of New York City.

592
00:30:30,045 --> 00:30:32,482
But once you become Mayor...

593
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,834
you own
the candy store, you know,

594
00:30:35,877 --> 00:30:38,749
there are 3-400,000 people
that work for you.

595
00:30:38,793 --> 00:30:40,708
You know,
and only one gets elected,

596
00:30:40,751 --> 00:30:42,144
everybody gets appointed.

597
00:30:42,188 --> 00:30:43,232
So who do you think
gets appointed?

598
00:30:43,276 --> 00:30:45,582
Loyalists and friends.

599
00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:48,672
[classical music playing]

600
00:30:52,981 --> 00:30:54,765
[Kirtzman] When he was
a prosecutor,

601
00:30:54,809 --> 00:30:57,072
patronage was considered,
you know,

602
00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:59,292
up there with,
you know, murder.

603
00:31:00,249 --> 00:31:03,296
Fast-forward to his mayoralty
and he's just putting,

604
00:31:03,339 --> 00:31:06,125
you know, hacks and cronies
on the payroll left and right.

605
00:31:11,173 --> 00:31:12,609
The people around him

606
00:31:12,653 --> 00:31:14,176
became known
as the "Yes Rudy's."

607
00:31:15,308 --> 00:31:18,833
I probably
was drawn in myself.

608
00:31:19,573 --> 00:31:22,489
Other people who had been with
him his whole career, though,

609
00:31:22,532 --> 00:31:24,447
they were dependent on him.

610
00:31:25,057 --> 00:31:26,797
And that was
the cult of Rudy.

611
00:31:31,063 --> 00:31:33,108
He would take
whomever at the time

612
00:31:33,152 --> 00:31:36,590
was the closest body type
to him to shop.

613
00:31:37,025 --> 00:31:38,592
And then he would hold
the shirt up...

614
00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:41,290
to you like you were
a human mannequin,

615
00:31:41,334 --> 00:31:44,119
the jacket,
and the tie like you were--

616
00:31:44,163 --> 00:31:46,295
and he would mutter,
"I think that's a good tie,

617
00:31:46,339 --> 00:31:47,949
maybe I should change the tie,"

618
00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,342
like you weren't human,
you were a mannequin.

619
00:31:49,385 --> 00:31:51,866
It was very disturbing.

620
00:31:58,525 --> 00:32:01,049
[audience applauding]

621
00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:06,098
[reporter] Now you told me
that when you met Donna,

622
00:32:06,141 --> 00:32:09,188
you knew instantly
that this was it.

623
00:32:09,231 --> 00:32:11,625
[Giuliani] I used to have,
like, a checklist with women

624
00:32:11,668 --> 00:32:13,453
that I was going out with

625
00:32:13,496 --> 00:32:15,020
and with Donna, she kept
passing all the tests.

626
00:32:15,063 --> 00:32:17,718
I mean, it was incredible.

627
00:32:17,761 --> 00:32:19,720
It makes your life
really terrific

628
00:32:19,763 --> 00:32:21,896
because you have something
more important than you

629
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:24,072
to live for, you know,
the person that you're with.

630
00:32:24,116 --> 00:32:26,814
You know, I don't have
any specific examples

631
00:32:26,857 --> 00:32:29,948
of secrets kept
with the exception of...

632
00:32:31,297 --> 00:32:32,559
extramarital affairs.

633
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:37,433
[Kirtzman] Cristyne Lategano
was the press secretary,

634
00:32:37,477 --> 00:32:40,306
a young person
in her twenties.

635
00:32:40,349 --> 00:32:41,655
We get 100 calls yet?

636
00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:45,789
[reporter] Do you know
Rudy Giuliani?

637
00:32:45,833 --> 00:32:47,791
Uh, well, yes,
I do know him pretty well,

638
00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:49,619
but Italian husbands
don't like to tell their wives

639
00:32:49,663 --> 00:32:51,230
too much about their business.

640
00:32:51,273 --> 00:32:53,797
It's very hard to juggle
one mistress and a wife,

641
00:32:53,841 --> 00:32:56,235
let alone two mistresses
and a wife and so on.

642
00:32:56,278 --> 00:32:58,150
But he-- he dug it.

643
00:32:58,193 --> 00:32:59,760
Did you have
any sort of personal affair

644
00:32:59,803 --> 00:33:01,544
with him at any point in time?

645
00:33:01,588 --> 00:33:04,025
I'm not gonna entertain
any questions like that.

646
00:33:04,069 --> 00:33:06,158
It's untrue, it's false,

647
00:33:06,201 --> 00:33:08,160
and there's nothing more that
I can really say about it.

648
00:33:08,203 --> 00:33:11,728
It made him feel important
and wanted and fought over.

649
00:33:12,338 --> 00:33:14,035
Okay, he liked
being fought over.

650
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,037
He liked pitting people
against each other.

651
00:33:16,081 --> 00:33:17,604
It's twisted.

652
00:33:17,647 --> 00:33:19,084
It's one of those
perverse characteristics

653
00:33:19,127 --> 00:33:21,303
you see in politicians
very often.

654
00:33:21,347 --> 00:33:23,523
Um, Cuomo has it also.

655
00:33:23,566 --> 00:33:25,394
[Kirtzman]
Donna Hanover learned

656
00:33:25,438 --> 00:33:28,049
that he was divorcing her
from watching television.

657
00:33:28,093 --> 00:33:31,618
It's, uh, been a--
a very painful road...

658
00:33:31,661 --> 00:33:35,013
and we should try to work out
a separation agreement.

659
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:40,453
I had hoped to keep
this marriage together.

660
00:33:40,496 --> 00:33:42,281
For several years,
it was difficult

661
00:33:42,324 --> 00:33:44,848
to participate
in Rudy's public life

662
00:33:44,892 --> 00:33:47,503
because of his relationship
with one staff member.

663
00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:49,114
The other thing
people talked about

664
00:33:49,157 --> 00:33:51,507
was like the way
he divorced his first wife,

665
00:33:51,551 --> 00:33:53,074
which he actually got
an annulment

666
00:33:53,118 --> 00:33:54,510
because he claimed
that he didn't know

667
00:33:54,554 --> 00:33:55,729
she was
his second cousin.

668
00:33:56,208 --> 00:33:58,732
[laughs]

669
00:34:03,215 --> 00:34:04,868
I told him
I was getting married

670
00:34:04,912 --> 00:34:07,871
and he asked me if I was
gonna have a goomar...

671
00:34:08,742 --> 00:34:10,048
you know, a mistress.

672
00:34:11,136 --> 00:34:14,356
And I said, "I wasn't planning
on having a goomar."

673
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,445
He said, "Well, you know,
it's a tradition in my family,

674
00:34:16,489 --> 00:34:18,099
my father and my grandfather
had a goomar."

675
00:34:18,143 --> 00:34:19,927
And I thought--

676
00:34:19,970 --> 00:34:22,016
I said, "Well, I'm not--
I'm not, I'm getting married

677
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:23,887
and I don't plan
on cheating on my wife."

678
00:34:23,931 --> 00:34:26,151
I didn't say that,
but that was

679
00:34:26,194 --> 00:34:28,153
what I--
what I hoped to convey.

680
00:34:28,196 --> 00:34:29,763
But he said it so casually...

681
00:34:30,633 --> 00:34:33,114
that I thought, "I guess
he doesn't really respect

682
00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:35,725
the vow of-- of marriage."

683
00:34:37,292 --> 00:34:40,252
Cheating on his wives
as a good Catholic,

684
00:34:40,295 --> 00:34:41,862
you know, as a guy

685
00:34:41,905 --> 00:34:43,777
who almost thought
about becoming a priest,

686
00:34:43,820 --> 00:34:47,389
that would certainly be a--
an immense contradiction.

687
00:34:49,696 --> 00:34:52,786
[Kirtzman] Giuliani saw
everything in terms of morality

688
00:34:52,829 --> 00:34:55,354
and yet he defined it
basically according to

689
00:34:55,397 --> 00:34:56,790
what was convenient for him.

690
00:34:57,269 --> 00:34:58,748
I mean, there was a moment

691
00:34:58,792 --> 00:35:00,315
when he was campaigning
for the right

692
00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:03,753
to display the ten
commandments in schools

693
00:35:03,797 --> 00:35:06,234
and meanwhile
he was cheating on his wife.

694
00:35:06,278 --> 00:35:08,280
And this is a person

695
00:35:08,323 --> 00:35:10,934
who could basically
convince himself into anything

696
00:35:10,978 --> 00:35:13,546
and believe
that whatever he was doing,

697
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:15,156
that he was in the right.

698
00:35:16,766 --> 00:35:19,943
[Lee] The true sign
of a healthy individual

699
00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:22,816
is someone who can have
doubts about oneself.

700
00:35:22,859 --> 00:35:26,472
So if one can have
a moment of questioning

701
00:35:26,515 --> 00:35:28,474
whether or not
one is moral,

702
00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:31,564
then that is actually
a sign of greater health

703
00:35:31,607 --> 00:35:33,479
and greater capabilities

704
00:35:33,522 --> 00:35:38,440
than someone who is incapable
of having those doubts.

705
00:35:38,484 --> 00:35:41,182
In fact, the incapacity
to have those doubts

706
00:35:41,226 --> 00:35:43,184
is a very concerning sign.

707
00:35:44,664 --> 00:35:46,405
Let me ask you about image.

708
00:35:46,448 --> 00:35:49,364
-Uh...
-[both laughing]

709
00:35:49,408 --> 00:35:51,279
There is this.

710
00:35:51,323 --> 00:35:54,326
This is a guy
who's gotten things done.

711
00:35:54,369 --> 00:35:56,371
This is somebody
who's made a difference.

712
00:35:56,415 --> 00:35:59,244
This is a man who's changed
the quality of life.

713
00:35:59,287 --> 00:36:02,203
This is a man
who is an autocrat.

714
00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:04,684
He worries us,

715
00:36:04,727 --> 00:36:06,468
thinks he knows
the right way

716
00:36:06,512 --> 00:36:11,212
and brooks no criticism
of doing it his way.

717
00:36:11,256 --> 00:36:12,866
Doesn't sound like--
doesn't sound like me.

718
00:36:12,909 --> 00:36:15,042
-[laughs]
-[reporter] Yes, it does.

719
00:36:17,392 --> 00:36:19,829
[McClay] This idea of,
"We ought to be grateful

720
00:36:19,873 --> 00:36:22,615
for the good things that
happened under Rudy's watch

721
00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:24,225
and forget about the rest,"

722
00:36:24,269 --> 00:36:25,966
I think you have to see
the whole picture.

723
00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:28,664
[Edozien] Economically
for a lot of people

724
00:36:28,708 --> 00:36:31,014
New York did get better
under Giuliani,

725
00:36:31,058 --> 00:36:32,973
but it didn't get better
for everybody.

726
00:36:33,452 --> 00:36:34,888
If you lived in Manhattan

727
00:36:34,931 --> 00:36:37,064
and Times Square
is your thing, awesome.

728
00:36:37,499 --> 00:36:40,415
He got us Disney,
he got us this company,

729
00:36:40,459 --> 00:36:42,069
he got us--
all that stuff that happened

730
00:36:42,112 --> 00:36:44,767
because he cleaned up
Times Square.

731
00:36:44,811 --> 00:36:47,248
Well, if you live
in Brooklyn...

732
00:36:48,989 --> 00:36:51,034
where's your Time Square?

733
00:36:51,078 --> 00:36:52,949
It gets better for certain
people, not for all people.

734
00:36:52,993 --> 00:36:55,125
It gets better for people,
I guess, that has money.

735
00:36:55,169 --> 00:36:56,953
People that don't have money,
it don't get better for you.

736
00:36:56,997 --> 00:36:58,955
Because it's only cops
in certain neighborhoods

737
00:36:58,999 --> 00:37:00,653
that take care of, you know,
certain neighborhoods.

738
00:37:00,696 --> 00:37:02,568
You-- you just be
walking down--

739
00:37:02,611 --> 00:37:04,787
down the street and they just--
they just look at you

740
00:37:04,831 --> 00:37:06,267
and just follow you
for a minute.

741
00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:08,574
[man] Stop you.
You know why?

742
00:37:08,617 --> 00:37:11,141
This right here.

743
00:37:11,185 --> 00:37:12,230
Brown.

744
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,277
[Edozien] It comes down
to the policies

745
00:37:16,321 --> 00:37:17,974
of your administration

746
00:37:18,018 --> 00:37:21,326
and it is not even a debate

747
00:37:21,369 --> 00:37:25,417
that under the eight years
of Rudy Giuliani

748
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:28,724
that Black people
didn't feel safe here.

749
00:37:28,768 --> 00:37:32,032
[reporter] Go out, talk to any
ten Black people in this town

750
00:37:32,075 --> 00:37:34,904
and say, "Have you ever
been stopped by a cop?"

751
00:37:34,948 --> 00:37:37,298
Eight out of ten,
nine out of ten will say yes.

752
00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:39,431
Do the same thing
with ten white people,

753
00:37:39,474 --> 00:37:41,911
if you find one
it'll be a surprise.

754
00:37:41,955 --> 00:37:44,174
Well, I-- I don't know

755
00:37:44,218 --> 00:37:45,480
if those numbers
would be quite right.

756
00:37:45,524 --> 00:37:47,439
I've been stopped by cops.

757
00:37:47,482 --> 00:37:49,092
[reporter] This is-- this is
not a-- this is not a--

758
00:37:49,136 --> 00:37:51,051
clearly not
a scientific test.

759
00:37:51,094 --> 00:37:52,966
I was-- I was stopped by--
I was stopped by cops

760
00:37:53,009 --> 00:37:55,708
in the era in which
crime was very, very high

761
00:37:55,751 --> 00:37:57,318
in the city, so.

762
00:37:57,362 --> 00:37:58,754
Well, then you would be
the one out of ten.

763
00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:01,844
[Frydman] He was adamant
that as the numbers

764
00:38:01,888 --> 00:38:03,585
were starting
to go down of arrests

765
00:38:03,629 --> 00:38:06,022
that he wanted
more arrests.

766
00:38:06,501 --> 00:38:09,243
He really felt,
uh, incorrectly that

767
00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:12,072
that was the key
to dealing with the problem.

768
00:38:12,115 --> 00:38:14,596
It was the key
to a certain point,

769
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,382
but then as you were beginning
to-- the patient gets better,

770
00:38:17,425 --> 00:38:21,211
then it required less medicine,
less arrests, less summonses.

771
00:38:22,038 --> 00:38:25,738
Giuliani had a hard time
understanding that concept.

772
00:38:25,781 --> 00:38:28,523
The Street Crime Unit,
which had been so successful,

773
00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:31,918
he expanded it
to 400 officers.

774
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,702
Bad move,

775
00:38:33,746 --> 00:38:35,487
because the 400 officers

776
00:38:35,530 --> 00:38:37,837
were not as highly trained
or skilled as the 100.

777
00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:40,448
And what did we have?

778
00:38:40,492 --> 00:38:41,884
We had the Diallo incident.

779
00:38:41,928 --> 00:38:45,279
[gunshots popping]

780
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:02,731
[Sharpton] Amadou Diallo
was a young man from Guinea

781
00:39:02,775 --> 00:39:05,778
who came to the United States
to get an education.

782
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,390
One night he comes home
in the Bronx

783
00:39:09,434 --> 00:39:12,741
and he takes his key out
in the vestibule.

784
00:39:12,785 --> 00:39:15,614
There was
this undercover operation

785
00:39:15,657 --> 00:39:18,704
that decided
he was up to no good.

786
00:39:18,747 --> 00:39:21,533
They rushed in
and they say they thought

787
00:39:21,576 --> 00:39:23,230
the key was a gun

788
00:39:23,273 --> 00:39:26,494
and they shot at him
41 times.

789
00:39:26,538 --> 00:39:27,974
Unarmed.

790
00:39:28,017 --> 00:39:29,715
When he had his key
and his wallet,

791
00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:32,631
only in his hand,
41 times, hit him 19 times.

792
00:39:32,674 --> 00:39:34,981
[gunshots popping]

793
00:39:37,897 --> 00:39:40,334
[McClay]
The Amadou Diallo killing

794
00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,075
was one
of the greatest tragedies

795
00:39:42,118 --> 00:39:43,555
that I've ever experienced.

796
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:47,297
It put me as a Black man

797
00:39:47,341 --> 00:39:49,082
in a position

798
00:39:49,125 --> 00:39:51,214
where for the first time
in my life

799
00:39:51,258 --> 00:39:54,870
I really felt
that being Black meant that I--

800
00:39:54,914 --> 00:39:57,177
my life was at risk.

801
00:39:57,220 --> 00:39:58,961
I want justice.

802
00:39:59,005 --> 00:40:02,182
Four people jump out of cars
for one man?

803
00:40:02,225 --> 00:40:05,272
One man, one human being?

804
00:40:05,315 --> 00:40:07,100
Not that.

805
00:40:07,143 --> 00:40:10,886
My heart is--
my heart-- my heart is open.

806
00:40:11,713 --> 00:40:13,280
[McCall] There was
this impression

807
00:40:13,323 --> 00:40:15,021
within the Black community

808
00:40:15,064 --> 00:40:17,719
that the police were free
to do certain things

809
00:40:17,763 --> 00:40:19,852
because they had
Rudy's support.

810
00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:24,465
Listen, he supported them
when they rioted at City Hall,

811
00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:26,728
so a police officer
would have to feel

812
00:40:26,772 --> 00:40:29,731
that "Rudy's with us,
no matter what we do."

813
00:40:29,775 --> 00:40:31,690
It would be very unfair
to jump from this incident

814
00:40:31,733 --> 00:40:33,779
to accuse the entire
Police Department

815
00:40:33,822 --> 00:40:35,737
and to take away from
the credit they deserve

816
00:40:35,781 --> 00:40:37,826
for being just about
the most restrained

817
00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:39,219
Police Department
in the country.

818
00:40:39,785 --> 00:40:40,960
[Edozien] Didn't have empathy.

819
00:40:41,787 --> 00:40:44,442
And when you have
zero empathy for people,

820
00:40:44,485 --> 00:40:46,879
then you're quite prone
to victim blaming.

821
00:40:47,357 --> 00:40:49,577
And City Hall
at the time tried to spin that

822
00:40:49,621 --> 00:40:51,231
that he was
this abject immigrant,

823
00:40:51,274 --> 00:40:53,189
that he must have
done something.

824
00:40:53,668 --> 00:40:55,931
After all, what kind of papers
did he have?

825
00:40:55,975 --> 00:40:58,934
After all, he's selling
hats and gloves on 14th Street.

826
00:40:58,978 --> 00:41:00,893
Did that take away
his humanity?

827
00:41:00,936 --> 00:41:03,156
Did that mean
he deserved to be killed?

828
00:41:03,722 --> 00:41:04,810
That was...

829
00:41:05,593 --> 00:41:07,290
the vibes you got from...

830
00:41:08,161 --> 00:41:09,684
his mayoralty

831
00:41:09,728 --> 00:41:11,294
and it seeped down
from the top

832
00:41:11,338 --> 00:41:14,210
into everything else
that people did.

833
00:41:14,254 --> 00:41:17,213
We want to know
what happened.

834
00:41:19,041 --> 00:41:20,869
[McCall] We started marching.

835
00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:24,525
We're doing
these daily Civil Disobedience.

836
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,833
Dave Dinkins says, "Al,"
I said, "Yeah?"

837
00:41:27,876 --> 00:41:30,226
He said, "Buddy,
Charlie Rangel says

838
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:31,706
he's going
with you tomorrow."

839
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:34,535
I said,
"Charlie Rangel did say that."

840
00:41:34,579 --> 00:41:36,232
He says, "Ten o'clock?"
I said, "Yeah."

841
00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:38,278
He says,
"I'll see you there."

842
00:41:39,279 --> 00:41:40,672
They got on their knees

843
00:41:40,715 --> 00:41:42,543
in front of the precinct...

844
00:41:43,588 --> 00:41:44,850
and then it hit me.

845
00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:47,287
If Giuliani was smart,

846
00:41:47,330 --> 00:41:49,724
he would not arrest
his predecessor,

847
00:41:49,768 --> 00:41:52,553
the former Mayor
for Civil Disobedience on this.

848
00:41:52,597 --> 00:41:54,294
I can figure out

849
00:41:54,337 --> 00:41:56,339
when politicians
are doing publicity stunts

850
00:41:56,383 --> 00:41:58,341
and you can, too.

851
00:41:58,385 --> 00:42:00,692
The purpose of this
is to get all of those cameras

852
00:42:00,735 --> 00:42:02,737
so that you can get attention
for yourself.

853
00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:07,699
[McCall] One of the officers
walked over to Mayor Dinkins

854
00:42:07,742 --> 00:42:10,789
and said, Mr. Mayor,
we don't want to embarrass you.

855
00:42:10,832 --> 00:42:13,226
We will take you out
through the building

856
00:42:13,269 --> 00:42:14,793
and you go
through the basement

857
00:42:14,836 --> 00:42:16,621
and we'll put you
in the police van there.

858
00:42:17,317 --> 00:42:19,319
And Dave Dinkins looked,
he says,

859
00:42:19,362 --> 00:42:21,190
"I'm going out with Al."

860
00:42:22,365 --> 00:42:26,021
[indistinct chanting]

861
00:42:26,065 --> 00:42:30,286
We went from 50-60 arrests
to 2-300.

862
00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:33,115
It was so many people
coming every day to go to jail.

863
00:42:33,159 --> 00:42:35,596
My mentor,
even Jesse Jackson flew in.

864
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,424
Susan Sarandon,
you name it.

865
00:42:37,467 --> 00:42:39,252
I think
I have a moral obligation

866
00:42:39,295 --> 00:42:40,906
to make
this statement today

867
00:42:40,949 --> 00:42:42,690
in the hope
that it will bring about

868
00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:44,518
reconciliation and healing,

869
00:42:44,562 --> 00:42:46,389
which is so badly needed
in this city.

870
00:42:46,433 --> 00:42:48,609
Because I felt
so strongly about it,

871
00:42:48,653 --> 00:42:50,306
I was arrested,
I went to jail

872
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:51,960
along with
a lot of other people.

873
00:42:52,613 --> 00:42:54,963
Giuliani was just
tone deaf about this.

874
00:42:55,007 --> 00:42:59,489
In fact, was
he just resisted any attempt

875
00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:02,362
to try to bring about
some healing in the city.

876
00:43:02,405 --> 00:43:03,972
He just wouldn't do that.

877
00:43:04,016 --> 00:43:06,279
In the same way
as you can be prejudiced

878
00:43:06,322 --> 00:43:08,586
against a person
of another religion,

879
00:43:08,629 --> 00:43:10,631
race, or ethnic background,

880
00:43:10,675 --> 00:43:12,546
you can be prejudiced
against the police

881
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:16,071
and you can
immediately blame them...

882
00:43:16,115 --> 00:43:18,596
for things that you don't want
to deal with in yourself.

883
00:43:20,510 --> 00:43:22,034
[McClay] In the middle
of all this now,

884
00:43:22,077 --> 00:43:24,384
Giuliani still refused

885
00:43:24,427 --> 00:43:26,299
to meet
with Black leadership.

886
00:43:26,995 --> 00:43:30,346
Nothing but venom,
nothing but attacking us.

887
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:32,958
Wouldn't meet,
wouldn't talk to anybody.

888
00:43:35,351 --> 00:43:37,615
Finally, there was
just so much pressure

889
00:43:37,658 --> 00:43:39,094
that he should meet.

890
00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:42,358
So, he invited me
to Gracie Mansion.

891
00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:49,583
The look in his eyes was,
"Let's get this over with."

892
00:43:51,716 --> 00:43:53,456
I don't expect
anything out of this.

893
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:55,676
You know, you're just like
all the rest of them.

894
00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:01,900
"You should appreciate
what the police are doing

895
00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:03,162
and what I'm doing for you."

896
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:05,338
It was a joke.

897
00:44:11,736 --> 00:44:14,608
Does Rudy Giuliani in his
heart of hearts hate Blacks?

898
00:44:16,218 --> 00:44:17,785
I don't know,
I can't get in his heart.

899
00:44:21,093 --> 00:44:25,140
But the fact that
he has no hesitation

900
00:44:25,184 --> 00:44:28,187
about using racist tactics.

901
00:44:30,798 --> 00:44:32,931
If you're comfortable
with that,

902
00:44:32,974 --> 00:44:36,151
isn't that, uh, racist
in and of itself?

903
00:44:36,195 --> 00:44:38,937
So whether you are
a believing racist

904
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:41,374
or you're practicing racism...

905
00:44:42,070 --> 00:44:44,203
I don't know
if there's a real difference.

906
00:44:49,425 --> 00:44:53,342
[Eolis] Increasingly,
in his last term,

907
00:44:53,386 --> 00:44:55,388
that level of ruthlessness

908
00:44:55,431 --> 00:44:58,652
affected the way the public saw
what he was doing...

909
00:44:59,653 --> 00:45:01,829
which is why, I think,

910
00:45:01,873 --> 00:45:05,615
he was looked upon
as having less power

911
00:45:05,659 --> 00:45:07,617
than he thought
he had anymore.

912
00:45:08,183 --> 00:45:11,447
And he believed
that he was threatened

913
00:45:11,491 --> 00:45:14,015
with becoming a has-been.

914
00:45:14,668 --> 00:45:17,715
[road din]

915
00:45:22,328 --> 00:45:25,331
[water splashing]

916
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,770
[birds chirping]

917
00:45:38,126 --> 00:45:40,607
[car horn honks]

918
00:45:47,092 --> 00:45:49,616
[inaudible dialogue]

919
00:45:59,408 --> 00:46:01,889
[airplane whooshes]

920
00:46:04,805 --> 00:46:06,546
[explosion]

921
00:46:12,857 --> 00:46:15,860
[tense music playing]

922
00:46:30,396 --> 00:46:32,572
[Giuliani] One of my detectives
came over to me and said,

923
00:46:32,615 --> 00:46:34,182
"A twin engine plane

924
00:46:34,226 --> 00:46:37,011
has crashed
into one of the Towers.

925
00:46:40,362 --> 00:46:42,190
And I said, "Well,
we gotta head right down."

926
00:46:45,977 --> 00:46:47,761
[indistinct chattering]

927
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,719
Put your mask on.
Put your mask on.

928
00:46:49,763 --> 00:46:51,765
-Put your mask on.
-Don't breathe the air.

929
00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:53,680
[reporter] Mr. Mayor, what's
the situation right now?

930
00:46:53,723 --> 00:46:55,725
The situation
is that two airplanes

931
00:46:55,769 --> 00:46:57,597
have attacked, apparently--

932
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,512
-[indistinct]
-What?

933
00:46:59,555 --> 00:47:00,861
[indistinct]

934
00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:02,080
All right, well, let's get--

935
00:47:02,123 --> 00:47:03,603
then let's go north then.

936
00:47:03,646 --> 00:47:05,213
[reporter]
Do you know specifically

937
00:47:05,257 --> 00:47:06,780
what happened
to the airplanes?

938
00:47:06,824 --> 00:47:08,434
Come with us,
come with us.

939
00:47:08,477 --> 00:47:09,565
Well, let's talk
a little later, okay?

940
00:47:09,609 --> 00:47:10,740
[reporter] Okay.

941
00:47:13,047 --> 00:47:17,051
[explosion]

942
00:47:21,055 --> 00:47:23,928
[building crashes]

943
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:30,238
[screaming]

944
00:47:34,895 --> 00:47:38,768
[Giuliani] I realized that we
were into something much worse

945
00:47:38,812 --> 00:47:40,727
than we'd ever
experienced before.

946
00:47:44,339 --> 00:47:47,168
And then I saw a man
jump from the 102nd floor.

947
00:47:47,212 --> 00:47:50,258
[melancholic music playing]

948
00:48:07,972 --> 00:48:09,277
I don't...

949
00:48:11,149 --> 00:48:12,802
I keep wondering

950
00:48:12,846 --> 00:48:14,500
how you absorb
an experience like that,

951
00:48:14,543 --> 00:48:16,241
you know, what does it--
what does it do to you

952
00:48:16,284 --> 00:48:17,720
and how does it
affect you?

953
00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:19,505
You should remain
where you are,

954
00:48:19,548 --> 00:48:21,289
you shouldn't panic,
you shouldn't worry.

955
00:48:21,333 --> 00:48:23,074
We're doing the best
that we can to evacuate

956
00:48:23,117 --> 00:48:25,293
Southern Manhattan,
the whole Canal Street.

957
00:48:25,337 --> 00:48:27,513
When you look back on it,
you keep thinking--

958
00:48:27,556 --> 00:48:29,254
you-- you keep thinking,

959
00:48:29,297 --> 00:48:30,516
"Well, maybe
it really didn't happen."

960
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:31,256
You keep wishing it away.

961
00:48:47,489 --> 00:48:48,664
[Von Essen] September 11th.

962
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:50,971
It was the worst thing

963
00:48:51,015 --> 00:48:52,930
that ever happened to me
in my life, you know?

964
00:48:53,931 --> 00:48:56,803
And yet
I am so glad it was me.

965
00:48:56,846 --> 00:48:58,805
Like, I feel that

966
00:48:58,848 --> 00:49:01,677
there was never anybody
in the department

967
00:49:01,721 --> 00:49:05,812
that cared as much
for the guys as I did.

968
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:14,603
We've got over 300 people
that are missing,

969
00:49:14,647 --> 00:49:17,128
that, uh,
we can't account for.

970
00:49:17,171 --> 00:49:18,912
[reporter] How do you feel
about that?

971
00:49:18,956 --> 00:49:20,522
[Van Essen] How do I feel
about it?

972
00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:21,828
I don't know
what to say, I...

973
00:49:23,351 --> 00:49:25,440
the best people
in this department,

974
00:49:25,484 --> 00:49:28,443
I can't find anybody from
five rescues and seven squads

975
00:49:28,487 --> 00:49:30,489
and it's just a--

976
00:49:30,532 --> 00:49:34,014
it's a devastating thing
and I don't know, uh...

977
00:49:34,058 --> 00:49:36,016
well, the fire department
will-- will recover,

978
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:37,148
but I don't know how.

979
00:49:40,978 --> 00:49:42,675
As hard as he was,

980
00:49:42,718 --> 00:49:46,374
I always saw a sense
of compassion and empathy

981
00:49:46,418 --> 00:49:47,506
from Giuliani...

982
00:49:48,594 --> 00:49:49,856
which is evident

983
00:49:49,899 --> 00:49:52,119
at every funeral
that we went to.

984
00:49:52,772 --> 00:49:55,209
Sometimes there were
three or four in a day.

985
00:49:55,253 --> 00:49:57,081
[priest] Yea, though I walk
through the valley

986
00:49:57,124 --> 00:49:58,952
of the shadow of death
I will fear no evil.

987
00:49:58,996 --> 00:50:01,128
There was a sincere effort

988
00:50:01,172 --> 00:50:05,002
to show as much respect
as possible

989
00:50:05,045 --> 00:50:07,787
for all of the firefighters
and police officers

990
00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:10,485
who made the sacrifice
that day.

991
00:50:11,095 --> 00:50:16,752
[inaudible]

992
00:50:16,796 --> 00:50:19,146
[Giuliani] The fire
is still burning...

993
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:22,280
but from it has emerged
a stronger spirit,

994
00:50:22,323 --> 00:50:25,935
a more unified country,
and a more unified world.

995
00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:28,068
I realized
that everything I said,

996
00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:29,809
everything I did

997
00:50:29,852 --> 00:50:31,811
would be not only
watched carefully,

998
00:50:31,854 --> 00:50:34,292
but would set a tone
for other people.

999
00:50:34,335 --> 00:50:35,945
[man] Thanks
for all you're doing.

1000
00:50:35,989 --> 00:50:37,469
[Kirtzman] I mean,
you can't tell me that

1001
00:50:37,512 --> 00:50:38,948
this was
just kind of an act.

1002
00:50:38,992 --> 00:50:40,080
It wasn't an act.

1003
00:50:41,342 --> 00:50:43,518
You know,
Giuliani had a heart,

1004
00:50:43,562 --> 00:50:47,087
it was kind of like
a father figure

1005
00:50:47,131 --> 00:50:51,439
had appeared in the middle
of this terrifying moment

1006
00:50:51,483 --> 00:50:55,269
to say, "I've got this,
everything is gonna be fine."

1007
00:50:59,056 --> 00:51:01,014
And that made
an impression upon people

1008
00:51:01,058 --> 00:51:03,886
that lasted his entire life.

1009
00:51:03,930 --> 00:51:05,975
-How are you?
-[woman] Good work, son.

1010
00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:08,239
Thank you. Good work.
Good work for you. Good work.

1011
00:51:09,849 --> 00:51:11,720
[Oprah] He's the man
of the hour,

1012
00:51:11,764 --> 00:51:15,550
a man whose extraordinary
grace under pressure

1013
00:51:15,594 --> 00:51:18,510
in the days
since this devastating attack

1014
00:51:18,553 --> 00:51:23,341
has led him to be called
America's Mayor.

1015
00:51:23,384 --> 00:51:25,865
He's the Mayor
of New York City.

1016
00:51:26,866 --> 00:51:29,738
Ladies and gentlemen,
Rudy Giuliani.

1017
00:51:29,782 --> 00:51:32,872
[audience applauding]

1018
00:51:37,398 --> 00:51:39,052
[Giuliani] Thank you.
Thank you.

1019
00:51:41,098 --> 00:51:42,664
Thank you.

1020
00:51:42,708 --> 00:51:44,101
Thank you.
Thank you very much.

1021
00:51:44,579 --> 00:51:46,233
[Kirtzman] After
September 11th,

1022
00:51:46,277 --> 00:51:49,280
his popularity
rose past 80%.

1023
00:51:49,323 --> 00:51:52,021
Welcome to New York City,
the capital of the world.

1024
00:51:52,065 --> 00:51:53,545
[Kirtzman]
It was Rudy Giuliani,

1025
00:51:53,588 --> 00:51:55,460
the savior of America.

1026
00:51:55,938 --> 00:51:58,158
I mean,
he was the personification

1027
00:51:58,202 --> 00:52:00,073
of leadership and good.

1028
00:52:00,595 --> 00:52:02,945
Every sin
he had ever committed

1029
00:52:02,989 --> 00:52:04,991
in people's eyes
was vanquished.

1030
00:52:05,034 --> 00:52:06,775
God bless you, Rudy.

1031
00:52:06,819 --> 00:52:09,865
I now invite the honorable
Rudy Giuliani

1032
00:52:09,909 --> 00:52:11,128
to take the floor.

1033
00:52:11,606 --> 00:52:13,130
[Kirtzman] I've never seen
anything like it.

1034
00:52:14,435 --> 00:52:17,264
I mean, he got to speak
before the general assembly

1035
00:52:17,308 --> 00:52:21,138
of the United Nations
like a Head of State.

1036
00:52:21,181 --> 00:52:24,532
You have become a role model
for leadership.

1037
00:52:25,011 --> 00:52:27,274
[Kirtzman] There was not
an accolade or an award

1038
00:52:27,318 --> 00:52:29,885
that was not bestowed
upon Rudy Giuliani.

1039
00:52:29,929 --> 00:52:33,150
It was a necessary trip
for every President,

1040
00:52:33,193 --> 00:52:35,369
Prime Minister
of every major country

1041
00:52:35,413 --> 00:52:37,806
to pay homage
to Rudy Giuliani.

1042
00:52:37,850 --> 00:52:39,634
Mayor, hero.

1043
00:52:39,678 --> 00:52:42,681
Which is
a French expression

1044
00:52:42,724 --> 00:52:46,206
equivalent
to Rudy the Rock.

1045
00:52:48,513 --> 00:52:51,211
[Kirtzman] He was knighted
by the queen of England.

1046
00:52:51,255 --> 00:52:52,865
[Giuliani] If I go back
to Brooklyn,

1047
00:52:52,908 --> 00:52:54,083
something like this
will happen.

1048
00:52:54,127 --> 00:52:55,694
"Hey...

1049
00:52:55,737 --> 00:52:57,086
what's this 'sir' stuff?

1050
00:52:59,437 --> 00:53:00,916
What are you,
some kind of big shot?"

1051
00:53:03,223 --> 00:53:04,877
[Kirtzman] It definitely
went to his head.

1052
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,487
He felt he was the only one

1053
00:53:06,531 --> 00:53:08,272
who can get New York
through this crisis

1054
00:53:08,315 --> 00:53:11,144
and came up with this
absolute ludicrous scheme

1055
00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:13,059
to extend his term
by three months.

1056
00:53:13,102 --> 00:53:15,496
And as the mayor...

1057
00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:17,237
who helped
get us through this,

1058
00:53:17,281 --> 00:53:18,847
I think that's
the wisest thing to do

1059
00:53:18,891 --> 00:53:20,675
and the most
apolitical thing to do.

1060
00:53:21,676 --> 00:53:23,243
[Kirtzman] It quickly
fell apart,

1061
00:53:23,287 --> 00:53:25,419
but history
will remember that

1062
00:53:25,463 --> 00:53:28,379
as an egregious
power play.

1063
00:53:28,422 --> 00:53:30,207
So when his mayoralty ends...

1064
00:53:30,250 --> 00:53:33,906
God bless New York
and God bless America.

1065
00:53:35,951 --> 00:53:39,477
[Kirtzman] With his new fame
and respectability,

1066
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,261
Giuliani faced a choice.

1067
00:53:48,877 --> 00:53:51,880
♪ Will he go high?

1068
00:53:51,924 --> 00:53:54,927
♪ Will he go low?

1069
00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:58,017
♪ Will he go high?

1070
00:53:58,060 --> 00:54:01,586
♪ Will he go low?

1071
00:54:01,629 --> 00:54:04,328
He could have, you know,
joined the Bush administration.

1072
00:54:04,371 --> 00:54:06,547
♪ Will he go high?

1073
00:54:06,591 --> 00:54:07,940
♪ Will he go low?

1074
00:54:07,983 --> 00:54:09,724
♪ Will he go high?

1075
00:54:09,768 --> 00:54:11,291
♪ Will he go low?

1076
00:54:11,857 --> 00:54:14,381
He could have run
a foundation.

1077
00:54:14,425 --> 00:54:15,991
♪ Will he go high?

1078
00:54:16,035 --> 00:54:17,384
♪ Will he go low?

1079
00:54:17,428 --> 00:54:19,995
♪ Will he go high or low?

1080
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,128
There are offices
he could have run for.

1081
00:54:22,171 --> 00:54:24,435
♪ Will he go high?

1082
00:54:24,478 --> 00:54:26,219
♪ Will he go low?

1083
00:54:26,263 --> 00:54:27,699
♪ Will he go high?

1084
00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:30,179
♪ Will he go low?

1085
00:54:30,223 --> 00:54:31,616
♪ Will he go high?

1086
00:54:31,659 --> 00:54:32,965
♪ Will he go low?

1087
00:54:33,008 --> 00:54:36,185
♪ Will he go high?

1088
00:54:37,448 --> 00:54:39,928
He clearly decided to cash in.

1089
00:54:39,972 --> 00:54:41,669
[cash register dings]

1090
00:54:41,713 --> 00:54:45,282
One of Giuliani's first clients
was Purdue Pharma.

1091
00:54:45,325 --> 00:54:47,196
As, you know, an increasing
number of Americans

1092
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:49,198
are getting hooked
on OxyContin.

1093
00:54:49,721 --> 00:54:52,593
There was this extraordinary
case against Purdue

1094
00:54:52,637 --> 00:54:55,553
because they were marketing
to every doctor in America,

1095
00:54:55,596 --> 00:54:59,208
which was causing the rise
in popularity of this drug

1096
00:54:59,252 --> 00:55:01,167
and they were looking
like a real villain

1097
00:55:01,210 --> 00:55:04,039
and, you know,
who better to represent them

1098
00:55:04,083 --> 00:55:05,998
than America's Mayor?

1099
00:55:06,041 --> 00:55:08,043
This should be available
to people so that they can--

1100
00:55:08,087 --> 00:55:10,524
they can have not just a life,
but a quality of life.

1101
00:55:10,568 --> 00:55:12,352
[Kirtzman]
He negotiates a deal

1102
00:55:12,396 --> 00:55:15,964
where upholding company
Purdue Pharma pleads guilty.

1103
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,358
So Perdu Pharma can go off

1104
00:55:18,402 --> 00:55:20,839
and, you know, sell OxyContin

1105
00:55:20,882 --> 00:55:22,884
for, you know,
their heart's content.

1106
00:55:22,928 --> 00:55:24,843
[reporter] Do you know how much
the Sackler family

1107
00:55:24,886 --> 00:55:26,410
has made off the sale
of OxyContin?

1108
00:55:26,453 --> 00:55:28,412
I don't know.

1109
00:55:28,455 --> 00:55:30,501
[reporter] Fair to say
it's over a billion dollars?

1110
00:55:30,544 --> 00:55:32,633
It would be fair
to say that, yes.

1111
00:55:32,677 --> 00:55:34,853
[Kirtzman]
He also makes a deal

1112
00:55:34,896 --> 00:55:39,814
where these indicted Purdue
executives avoid jail time.

1113
00:55:39,858 --> 00:55:42,208
You know, he beat back
an effort by the government

1114
00:55:42,251 --> 00:55:44,253
that would have stopped
the problem in its tracks

1115
00:55:44,297 --> 00:55:46,212
a long time ago.

1116
00:55:46,647 --> 00:55:48,475
[Frydman] When people
are throwing money at you,

1117
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:52,000
unless you have
an unimpeachable character,

1118
00:55:52,044 --> 00:55:55,047
eventually you're going to--
you're going to say yes.

1119
00:55:55,090 --> 00:55:57,789
[Giuliani] We were attacked
because we're a country

1120
00:55:57,832 --> 00:55:59,399
that symbolizes freedom.

1121
00:56:01,575 --> 00:56:03,403
[Frydman]
You know, $100,000

1122
00:56:03,447 --> 00:56:06,450
to give the same speech
about his tales

1123
00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:08,669
of derring-do on 9/11

1124
00:56:08,713 --> 00:56:11,890
and where there's 100,000,
there's-- there's 200

1125
00:56:11,933 --> 00:56:13,761
and where there's 200,
there's half a million.

1126
00:56:14,545 --> 00:56:18,113
[Eolis] When he married
his third wife,

1127
00:56:18,157 --> 00:56:21,029
he began
a really new life.

1128
00:56:21,073 --> 00:56:22,422
There were changes.

1129
00:56:22,466 --> 00:56:25,425
He fell into thinking

1130
00:56:25,469 --> 00:56:28,341
that money is a way
of keeping score

1131
00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:30,430
as to
how successful you are.

1132
00:56:30,474 --> 00:56:32,171
[cash register dings]

1133
00:56:32,214 --> 00:56:33,346
[Giuliani] I started
Giuliani Partners

1134
00:56:33,390 --> 00:56:35,348
when I left being mayor

1135
00:56:35,392 --> 00:56:37,350
and we give advice to
companies and to governments

1136
00:56:37,394 --> 00:56:39,961
about how to deal
with security from terrorism

1137
00:56:40,005 --> 00:56:41,398
and how to deal
with crime.

1138
00:56:44,531 --> 00:56:46,446
[Frydman]
He and Bernie Kerik

1139
00:56:46,490 --> 00:56:48,056
flew down to Mexico City

1140
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:50,058
and they looked around
and they said,

1141
00:56:50,102 --> 00:56:52,670
"You're right, you got
a violent crime problem here.

1142
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:55,412
Check please."

1143
00:56:55,455 --> 00:56:56,978
[coins jingling]

1144
00:56:57,022 --> 00:56:58,589
They got
$4 million dollars

1145
00:56:58,632 --> 00:57:00,547
for telling them
what they already know.

1146
00:57:00,591 --> 00:57:02,462
Gotta select police officers
that can be trusted.

1147
00:57:02,506 --> 00:57:04,421
[coins jingling]

1148
00:57:04,464 --> 00:57:06,814
Set up a list of the police
officers you can trust.

1149
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,470
[coins jingling]

1150
00:57:10,514 --> 00:57:12,167
And you can fix the system

1151
00:57:12,211 --> 00:57:13,560
if you have the political will
to do it.

1152
00:57:13,604 --> 00:57:15,214
[coins jingling]

1153
00:57:15,257 --> 00:57:17,346
You have to have
the political will to do it.

1154
00:57:17,825 --> 00:57:19,261
[coins jingling]

1155
00:57:20,611 --> 00:57:23,352
[Frydman] They didn't help
solve many problems

1156
00:57:23,396 --> 00:57:25,137
that they got hired
to solve,

1157
00:57:25,180 --> 00:57:27,313
but people kept
throwing money at them.

1158
00:57:28,532 --> 00:57:30,751
Suddenly he's flying
private jets,

1159
00:57:30,795 --> 00:57:32,318
buying houses
in the Hamptons,

1160
00:57:32,361 --> 00:57:34,842
and then houses
in Palm Beach.

1161
00:57:34,886 --> 00:57:36,670
How many houses
do you need in Palm Beach?

1162
00:57:36,714 --> 00:57:38,498
Two, really?
You need two?

1163
00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:42,371
And hundreds of thousands of
dollars of cigars every year?

1164
00:57:43,329 --> 00:57:45,810
Now this guy didn't smoke
when I met him,

1165
00:57:45,853 --> 00:57:47,551
he didn't drink
and he didn't smoke.

1166
00:57:48,856 --> 00:57:52,120
[Eolis] It led
to his believing

1167
00:57:52,164 --> 00:57:54,601
there wasn't anything
that he couldn't do...

1168
00:57:56,081 --> 00:57:58,649
and I think
it led to him deciding

1169
00:57:58,692 --> 00:58:02,261
that he should run
for President.

1170
00:58:02,304 --> 00:58:04,524
[host] Mayor Giuliani,
this question to you

1171
00:58:04,568 --> 00:58:06,657
comes from St. Petersburg.

1172
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:09,224
Your immigration plan
calls for all immigrants

1173
00:58:09,268 --> 00:58:11,923
to learn English
to gain citizenship,

1174
00:58:11,966 --> 00:58:15,883
so why is your campaign
airing an ad in Spanish?

1175
00:58:15,927 --> 00:58:18,538
[Giuliani laughs]

1176
00:58:18,582 --> 00:58:20,801
[Kirtzman] Rudy Giuliani's
campaign for President

1177
00:58:20,845 --> 00:58:23,195
ended up as a catastrophe.

1178
00:58:23,238 --> 00:58:25,763
He just
kind of misunderstood

1179
00:58:25,806 --> 00:58:27,982
what the public wanted to hear
at that time.

1180
00:58:28,026 --> 00:58:30,550
Dealing with the possibility
of a terrorist attack

1181
00:58:30,594 --> 00:58:33,771
or a natural disaster
lies in the preparation

1182
00:58:33,814 --> 00:58:36,208
that-- that you have
at a local level.

1183
00:58:36,251 --> 00:58:38,689
[Kirtzman] He was still
the Rudy Giuliani of 9/11

1184
00:58:38,732 --> 00:58:40,908
when the country
had kind of moved on.

1185
00:58:40,952 --> 00:58:43,128
[indistinct]

1186
00:58:43,171 --> 00:58:44,695
Thank you,
God bless you!

1187
00:58:44,738 --> 00:58:46,305
[Kirtzman] And decided,

1188
00:58:46,348 --> 00:58:49,003
"I'm not even gonna run
the early contest,

1189
00:58:49,047 --> 00:58:50,527
I'm gonna wait
until Florida."

1190
00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:52,833
Well, it was
a catastrophic decision

1191
00:58:52,877 --> 00:58:55,140
because by the time the
Florida primaries came along,

1192
00:58:55,183 --> 00:58:58,752
John McCain
was the undisputed frontrunner

1193
00:58:58,796 --> 00:59:00,972
and Giuliani was just roadkill
by that time.

1194
00:59:01,538 --> 00:59:03,148
[woman] I think
it's wonderful

1195
00:59:03,191 --> 00:59:04,715
that Giuliani
has dropped out of the race

1196
00:59:04,758 --> 00:59:06,412
because he would not make
a good President

1197
00:59:06,455 --> 00:59:08,327
because I don't believe
he made a good Mayor.

1198
00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:10,068
Rudy who?

1199
00:59:10,111 --> 00:59:12,723
Um, first of all,
I never liked Rudy Giuliani.

1200
00:59:12,766 --> 00:59:14,855
I never-- never trusted him
and I don't...

1201
00:59:15,769 --> 00:59:18,076
find his politics appealing

1202
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:20,121
and I'm glad he's gone.

1203
00:59:21,949 --> 00:59:26,563
[Kirtzman] The problem wasn't
just that he had lost a race.

1204
00:59:26,606 --> 00:59:30,567
It's that his 9/11 halo
was completely shattered.

1205
00:59:31,002 --> 00:59:34,135
He's no longer the most famous,

1206
00:59:34,179 --> 00:59:36,660
beloved person
in the world anymore.

1207
00:59:36,703 --> 00:59:39,053
He was just
another failed politician

1208
00:59:39,097 --> 00:59:40,968
without a political future.

1209
00:59:41,012 --> 00:59:42,753
And that was
devastating for him.

1210
00:59:45,756 --> 00:59:48,149
Business dries up
at Giuliani Partners.

1211
00:59:48,759 --> 00:59:50,499
I mean,
everything goes wrong for him.

1212
00:59:52,501 --> 00:59:55,287
The question is,
what do you do

1213
00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:58,464
when you're the most
beloved person on the planet

1214
00:59:58,507 --> 00:59:59,900
and then you're not?

1215
00:59:59,944 --> 01:00:02,686
[inaudible dialogue]

1216
01:00:02,729 --> 01:00:06,515
His money-making vehicle
was to go advise

1217
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:11,085
this creepy roster of foreign
dictators and politicians.

1218
01:00:11,782 --> 01:00:13,610
He dealt
with companies in Russia,

1219
01:00:13,653 --> 01:00:15,046
he dealt in Ukraine,

1220
01:00:15,089 --> 01:00:17,048
he dealt in Venezuela

1221
01:00:17,091 --> 01:00:19,180
and, you know,
he became, I think

1222
01:00:19,224 --> 01:00:23,620
probably in his mind
this kind of world statesman.

1223
01:00:23,663 --> 01:00:27,319
[audience applauding]

1224
01:00:27,362 --> 01:00:29,626
One incident involved Serbia.

1225
01:00:30,539 --> 01:00:33,542
He appears on this
kind of David Letterman Show.

1226
01:00:35,501 --> 01:00:37,808
[host] [indistinct]
so thank you.

1227
01:00:37,851 --> 01:00:40,419
Uh, it's a big honor for me
to have it here in my show.

1228
01:00:40,462 --> 01:00:42,682
What are the reasons
of your visit to Belgrade?

1229
01:00:42,726 --> 01:00:45,076
We're here to give advice
to Mr. Vucic,

1230
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,339
who is running--
running for mayor

1231
01:00:47,382 --> 01:00:49,428
about economic development.

1232
01:00:50,168 --> 01:00:51,604
[Kirtzman] So Mr. Vucic

1233
01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:54,172
is running
for mayor of Belgrade.

1234
01:00:54,999 --> 01:00:58,959
Vucic also happened to work
for Slobodon Milosevic,

1235
01:00:59,003 --> 01:01:01,048
who was
the Butcher of Belgrade...

1236
01:01:02,136 --> 01:01:03,747
responsible for the massacre

1237
01:01:03,790 --> 01:01:06,358
of, you know,
tens of thousands of people.

1238
01:01:06,401 --> 01:01:07,707
[host] There was a lot
of speculations,

1239
01:01:07,751 --> 01:01:09,622
how much money did you get

1240
01:01:09,666 --> 01:01:11,842
and are you supporting
him directly

1241
01:01:11,885 --> 01:01:13,452
or you're just advising him?

1242
01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:15,410
We're not involved
in the election.

1243
01:01:15,454 --> 01:01:17,325
We're not-- we're not making
an endorsement election.

1244
01:01:17,369 --> 01:01:19,153
I don't know enough about
the election to do that.

1245
01:01:19,197 --> 01:01:21,112
We're just here to advise him,
give our advice.

1246
01:01:21,155 --> 01:01:22,766
[Kirtzman] Giuliani
is kind of pretending

1247
01:01:22,809 --> 01:01:24,724
that he's just giving
security advice,

1248
01:01:24,768 --> 01:01:26,683
but the reason they brought him
in was the reason

1249
01:01:26,726 --> 01:01:28,989
that every dictator
brought Rudy Giuliani in,

1250
01:01:29,033 --> 01:01:30,948
which is that
he was Rudy Giuliani

1251
01:01:30,991 --> 01:01:34,647
and he could give them kind of
a veneer of respectability

1252
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,563
and some of these guys
were on the terrorist list.

1253
01:01:38,956 --> 01:01:40,479
He had compromised

1254
01:01:40,522 --> 01:01:44,309
his statesman's image
so completely

1255
01:01:44,352 --> 01:01:47,704
he was considered untouchable
even by moderate Republicans.

1256
01:01:48,705 --> 01:01:50,489
But you know, in his head,

1257
01:01:50,532 --> 01:01:52,317
"How do I become
relevant again?

1258
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,145
How do I become beloved?"

1259
01:01:54,623 --> 01:01:57,365
[helicopter whirring]

1260
01:01:57,409 --> 01:02:00,629
[epic music playing]

1261
01:02:26,307 --> 01:02:28,440
[Trump] Thank you very much.
[indistinct]

1262
01:02:28,483 --> 01:02:30,050
Man, what a crowd!

1263
01:02:31,182 --> 01:02:34,141
What a crowd.

1264
01:02:34,185 --> 01:02:37,928
Yesterday, I outlined
a detailed list of solutions

1265
01:02:37,971 --> 01:02:40,495
to bring prosperity
to our economy,

1266
01:02:40,539 --> 01:02:42,584
safety to our communities,

1267
01:02:42,628 --> 01:02:46,371
and honesty
to our government.

1268
01:02:46,414 --> 01:02:48,547
And speaking of honesty.

1269
01:02:48,590 --> 01:02:51,680
Where is Mayor Rudy Giuliani?
Where is he?

1270
01:02:51,724 --> 01:02:54,814
He's around here.
Rudy!

1271
01:02:54,858 --> 01:02:58,426
[Kirtzman] Giuliani has a lot
of history with Donald Trump.

1272
01:02:59,210 --> 01:03:01,690
They've always been
on each other's wavelength

1273
01:03:01,734 --> 01:03:05,477
and leading up to
the 2016 reach for President,

1274
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:07,914
Giuliani becomes the biggest
cheerleader in America

1275
01:03:07,958 --> 01:03:09,829
for Donald Trump.

1276
01:03:09,873 --> 01:03:11,788
Thank you very much.

1277
01:03:11,831 --> 01:03:13,572
It's wonderful
to be here.

1278
01:03:13,615 --> 01:03:15,356
It's wonderful
to see this crowd.

1279
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:17,010
It's wonderful to know...

1280
01:03:17,881 --> 01:03:19,578
very, very soon

1281
01:03:19,621 --> 01:03:21,188
we're going to change
the direction of America

1282
01:03:21,232 --> 01:03:22,799
and we're going to elect
Donald J. Trump

1283
01:03:22,842 --> 01:03:24,061
President of
the United States.

1284
01:03:26,106 --> 01:03:27,673
You tell him!

1285
01:03:27,716 --> 01:03:30,067
Tell all those--
tell all those...

1286
01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:36,595
[Nuzzi] There are a couple of
original sins in Trump World

1287
01:03:36,638 --> 01:03:39,990
that you can go back to
and kind of trace...

1288
01:03:41,078 --> 01:03:42,993
how everything ended up
the way that ended up

1289
01:03:43,036 --> 01:03:45,038
in terms of
people's relationships

1290
01:03:45,082 --> 01:03:49,869
and one of the most
important events

1291
01:03:49,913 --> 01:03:53,830
was the weekend
of the Access Hollywood tape.

1292
01:03:53,873 --> 01:03:55,744
[Trump] You know,
I'm automatically attracted

1293
01:03:55,788 --> 01:03:57,442
to beautiful women,
I just start kissing them.

1294
01:03:57,485 --> 01:03:58,922
-It's like a magnet. Just--
-[laughing]

1295
01:03:58,965 --> 01:04:00,749
I don't even wait.

1296
01:04:00,793 --> 01:04:02,795
And when you're a star,
they let you do it.

1297
01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:03,970
-You can do anything.
-[Giuliani] Whatever you want.

1298
01:04:04,014 --> 01:04:04,928
[Trump] Grab them
by the pussy.

1299
01:04:06,233 --> 01:04:07,844
[Giuliani] I could do anything.

1300
01:04:07,887 --> 01:04:10,411
People started just fleeing
the Trump campaign.

1301
01:04:10,455 --> 01:04:13,023
It is completely indefensible

1302
01:04:13,066 --> 01:04:14,938
and I won't defend it
and haven't defended it.

1303
01:04:14,981 --> 01:04:16,809
[Chaffetz] I'm out.

1304
01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:18,898
I-- I can no longer,
in good conscience,

1305
01:04:18,942 --> 01:04:21,901
uh, endorse this person
for President.

1306
01:04:21,945 --> 01:04:25,818
Men say stupid things
in the locker rooms.

1307
01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:28,777
I was a baseball player,
a terrible football player,

1308
01:04:28,821 --> 01:04:31,302
but a good baseball player
and now I play a lot of golf.

1309
01:04:31,345 --> 01:04:32,912
I hear a lot worse
than that.

1310
01:04:32,956 --> 01:04:34,740
[Nuzzi] Rudy was one
of the few people

1311
01:04:34,783 --> 01:04:38,526
who stuck his neck out
for Trump and defended him.

1312
01:04:38,570 --> 01:04:41,355
I thought
back in my life,

1313
01:04:41,399 --> 01:04:42,966
we talked
about it privately,

1314
01:04:43,009 --> 01:04:45,316
I can't tell you
that conversation...

1315
01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:47,971
and he admitted it and he said
it's locker room talk,

1316
01:04:48,014 --> 01:04:49,798
which is what
I think made it go away.

1317
01:04:50,669 --> 01:04:52,540
[Nuzzi] Maybe it was
strategic for Rudy...

1318
01:04:53,498 --> 01:04:57,241
maybe he thought, "This is my
moment to be next to this guy

1319
01:04:57,284 --> 01:04:59,460
and be the one
in his ear."

1320
01:05:00,548 --> 01:05:01,985
And I guess it worked.

1321
01:05:04,683 --> 01:05:07,729
It is my high honor
to introduce to you

1322
01:05:07,773 --> 01:05:10,384
the President Elect
Donald Trump.

1323
01:05:10,428 --> 01:05:13,648
[audience applauding]

1324
01:05:14,693 --> 01:05:17,652
[Lee] When Donald Trump
was elected to the Presidency,

1325
01:05:17,696 --> 01:05:19,437
I have often called him

1326
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,701
a barometer of our state
of collective mental health.

1327
01:05:25,095 --> 01:05:28,098
I started speaking up
about what I saw

1328
01:05:28,141 --> 01:05:31,144
as dangerous mental impairment
in Donald Trump

1329
01:05:31,188 --> 01:05:33,277
when he rose
to the Presidency,

1330
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,409
not because I was treating him
as a patient

1331
01:05:35,453 --> 01:05:37,716
or interested
in diagnosing him,

1332
01:05:37,759 --> 01:05:40,023
but because his psychology

1333
01:05:40,066 --> 01:05:42,634
would pose a danger
to the public.

1334
01:05:43,983 --> 01:05:45,637
We predicted that

1335
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,727
if such a personality
takes hold of power,

1336
01:05:48,770 --> 01:05:51,208
then the dangers would spread

1337
01:05:51,251 --> 01:05:53,688
very much like
an infectious disease.

1338
01:05:55,299 --> 01:05:58,258
Uh, narcissistic symbiosis

1339
01:05:58,302 --> 01:06:02,741
happens between a
narcissistically wounded leader

1340
01:06:02,784 --> 01:06:05,178
and a similarly
wounded population

1341
01:06:05,222 --> 01:06:07,964
and that they are
magnetically attracted.

1342
01:06:09,226 --> 01:06:13,012
So by the time
Rudy Giuliani aligned himself

1343
01:06:13,056 --> 01:06:14,840
with Donald Trump,

1344
01:06:14,883 --> 01:06:19,627
clearly he would become
a collaborator and an enabler.

1345
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,413
So it is a very
worrisome situation.

1346
01:06:22,456 --> 01:06:24,154
How are you?

1347
01:06:24,197 --> 01:06:25,155
[reporter] Thank you
for stopping here.

1348
01:06:25,198 --> 01:06:26,808
How are you?

1349
01:06:26,852 --> 01:06:28,636
[reporter] First of all,
for our cameras

1350
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,595
because a lot of people
weren't on the call,

1351
01:06:30,638 --> 01:06:32,205
if you would just explain
your new role, what the role--

1352
01:06:32,249 --> 01:06:33,990
I will, I will, in fact,

1353
01:06:34,033 --> 01:06:36,209
to be-- to be sure
that I'm absolutely accurate,

1354
01:06:36,253 --> 01:06:38,037
I'll-- I'll get it out.

1355
01:06:38,603 --> 01:06:40,779
[Eolis] I think
he really believed

1356
01:06:40,822 --> 01:06:43,695
that if he was instrumental

1357
01:06:43,738 --> 01:06:49,179
in getting, uh,
Donald Trump elected President,

1358
01:06:49,222 --> 01:06:54,314
he would have to be given
a role that he wanted,

1359
01:06:54,358 --> 01:06:57,578
which was the role
of Secretary of State.

1360
01:06:57,622 --> 01:06:59,232
So basically I'll read--
I'll read you

1361
01:06:59,276 --> 01:07:01,147
a little bit
of the press release.

1362
01:07:01,191 --> 01:07:03,106
"President Elect Trump
is very pleased

1363
01:07:03,149 --> 01:07:05,499
to announce former mayor
Rudy Giuliani

1364
01:07:05,543 --> 01:07:07,719
will be sharing
his expertise and insight

1365
01:07:07,762 --> 01:07:09,808
as a trusted friend
coordinating

1366
01:07:09,851 --> 01:07:12,028
private sector
cybersecurity problems

1367
01:07:12,071 --> 01:07:13,594
and emerging solutions

1368
01:07:13,638 --> 01:07:14,769
developing
in the private sector."

1369
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:17,946
[Frydman] So he made him

1370
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:19,470
cybersecurity czar
without a portfolio.

1371
01:07:19,513 --> 01:07:20,558
What did that mean?

1372
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:23,517
It meant nothing.
You know what it meant?

1373
01:07:23,561 --> 01:07:25,128
It meant he traveled the world

1374
01:07:25,171 --> 01:07:27,956
and sold access to--
to the White House.

1375
01:07:31,873 --> 01:07:34,659
[Nuzzi] During that time,
the Trump hotel lobby bar

1376
01:07:34,702 --> 01:07:38,924
was like
this hub of diplomacy,

1377
01:07:38,967 --> 01:07:40,404
if you could call it that,

1378
01:07:40,447 --> 01:07:42,275
and criminal activity,
definitely.

1379
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:45,757
And everyone was there
all the time.

1380
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,457
It was like if Cheers
was populated entirely

1381
01:07:50,501 --> 01:07:53,156
by everyone in the prison
scenes in Goodfellas.

1382
01:07:55,114 --> 01:07:57,247
I remember sitting there,
having a martini

1383
01:07:57,290 --> 01:08:00,163
and then turning
and seeing Rudy emerge...

1384
01:08:02,556 --> 01:08:05,081
in a plume of cigar smoke.

1385
01:08:07,257 --> 01:08:10,173
He was
just absolutely wasted.

1386
01:08:11,391 --> 01:08:13,306
He basically set up
an office

1387
01:08:13,350 --> 01:08:15,917
in one of these
whiskey tasting rooms.

1388
01:08:16,353 --> 01:08:19,225
Every meaningful event
for the President

1389
01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:22,663
was either celebrated
or mourned at that site.

1390
01:08:23,229 --> 01:08:26,624
It was like
if they believed in a God,

1391
01:08:26,667 --> 01:08:29,453
it would have been their--
like, their place of worship.

1392
01:08:33,152 --> 01:08:34,980
[Kirtzman] Whenever
I heard at the time

1393
01:08:35,023 --> 01:08:36,808
that Giuliani was going to
be there for a short term,

1394
01:08:36,851 --> 01:08:38,592
you know, I laughed.

1395
01:08:38,636 --> 01:08:41,160
I thought, you know,
"This guy is never going home,"

1396
01:08:41,204 --> 01:08:42,727
and that's exactly
what happened.

1397
01:08:42,770 --> 01:08:45,251
I mean, once he was in,
he was staying

1398
01:08:45,295 --> 01:08:48,646
and he became
Trump's personal lawyer.

1399
01:08:48,689 --> 01:08:52,171
I have no expectations,
all I do is give my advice.

1400
01:08:52,215 --> 01:08:54,608
Donald's been my friend
for 28 years.

1401
01:08:54,652 --> 01:08:56,654
All of my work
on behalf of him

1402
01:08:56,697 --> 01:08:59,570
has been out of great loyalty
and friendship to him.

1403
01:09:00,092 --> 01:09:02,050
[Nuzzi] I think a lot of times
Rudy was viewed

1404
01:09:02,094 --> 01:09:03,574
as, like, a useful idiot

1405
01:09:03,617 --> 01:09:07,795
for the White House's
public needs.

1406
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:10,189
When you tell me that,
you know, he should testify

1407
01:09:10,233 --> 01:09:12,365
because he's gonna tell the
truth and he shouldn't worry,

1408
01:09:12,409 --> 01:09:14,193
well, that's so silly

1409
01:09:14,237 --> 01:09:15,238
because it's somebody's
version of the truth,

1410
01:09:15,281 --> 01:09:16,848
not the truth.

1411
01:09:16,891 --> 01:09:18,980
He didn't have a--
a conversation--

1412
01:09:19,024 --> 01:09:20,765
[interviewer] Truth is truth,
I don't mean to go, like--

1413
01:09:20,808 --> 01:09:23,028
No, truth isn't truth,
truth isn't truth.

1414
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,074
[Nuzzi] And then
he was also, like,

1415
01:09:26,118 --> 01:09:28,207
this pretty useful
outlet for Trump

1416
01:09:28,251 --> 01:09:31,297
as one of the people
in his outer orbit

1417
01:09:31,341 --> 01:09:32,864
who Trump could vent to.

1418
01:09:34,909 --> 01:09:36,302
What's your mission?

1419
01:09:36,346 --> 01:09:37,825
To disrupt the world.

1420
01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:41,960
[Nuzzi]
But the flip side of that

1421
01:09:42,003 --> 01:09:45,137
is that Rudy had even
crazier ideas than Trump had

1422
01:09:45,181 --> 01:09:50,229
and the two of them together
could be pretty lethal.

1423
01:09:50,273 --> 01:09:53,972
[reporter] Do you think your
legacy is being tarnished?

1424
01:09:54,015 --> 01:09:55,843
I'm doing my job
as a lawyer.

1425
01:09:55,887 --> 01:09:57,715
I'm doing it
as effectively as I can

1426
01:09:57,758 --> 01:09:59,673
and I'm very
proud of that.

1427
01:09:59,717 --> 01:10:01,675
[reporter] For a person
who's been a great mayor,

1428
01:10:01,719 --> 01:10:03,460
does that bother you?

1429
01:10:03,503 --> 01:10:06,376
That you still won't be
remembered [indistinct]?

1430
01:10:12,556 --> 01:10:16,473
By the time the re-election
campaign rolled around,

1431
01:10:16,516 --> 01:10:18,431
it was clear to Trump

1432
01:10:18,475 --> 01:10:21,217
that Joe Biden was going to be
the Democratic candidate.

1433
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,786
So Rudy was going out
on a scavenger hunt

1434
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:29,442
looking for dirt
on Joe Biden...

1435
01:10:31,488 --> 01:10:33,229
and ended up in Ukraine.

1436
01:10:35,753 --> 01:10:38,408
We found information now,
that reveals

1437
01:10:38,451 --> 01:10:41,672
30 years of criminality
on the part of the Biden family

1438
01:10:41,715 --> 01:10:44,892
and particularly Joe Biden
as the boss,

1439
01:10:44,936 --> 01:10:48,113
the top of the Biden family,
in which, uh,

1440
01:10:48,156 --> 01:10:50,550
his office was sold
over and over and over again

1441
01:10:50,594 --> 01:10:53,771
by his relatives
for their benefit and for his.

1442
01:10:54,337 --> 01:10:56,991
Giuliani
is doing business in Ukraine

1443
01:10:57,035 --> 01:10:58,863
among other foreign countries

1444
01:10:58,906 --> 01:11:02,127
and picks up a rumor
that Joe Biden was involved

1445
01:11:02,170 --> 01:11:04,129
in some corruption
in Ukraine.

1446
01:11:04,651 --> 01:11:07,437
The theory was that
while Joe was Vice President,

1447
01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:09,003
and he took actions,

1448
01:11:09,047 --> 01:11:11,397
which benefited his son,
Hunter Biden,

1449
01:11:11,441 --> 01:11:14,400
who was then on the board
of a Ukrainian energy company.

1450
01:11:15,183 --> 01:11:18,883
Giuliani goes to Trump
and he kind of feeds him

1451
01:11:18,926 --> 01:11:22,147
this conspiracy theory
and Trump is like "I knew it."

1452
01:11:22,190 --> 01:11:26,543
They decided that they were
going to pressure Ukraine

1453
01:11:26,586 --> 01:11:30,068
to announce an investigation
into Joe Biden.

1454
01:11:32,592 --> 01:11:38,990
♪

1455
01:11:42,036 --> 01:11:43,690
[Kirtzman]
Ukraine had just elected

1456
01:11:43,734 --> 01:11:45,475
a new President,
Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

1457
01:11:47,694 --> 01:11:50,393
Trump and Giuliani
saw his inexperience

1458
01:11:50,436 --> 01:11:52,656
as an opportunity
to be exploited

1459
01:11:52,699 --> 01:11:54,962
during a vulnerable time
for the country.

1460
01:11:58,836 --> 01:12:01,404
[Novikov]
Ukraine has been fighting

1461
01:12:01,447 --> 01:12:05,321
an active war
with Russia since 2014.

1462
01:12:07,540 --> 01:12:09,760
Part of my country is under
direct occupation

1463
01:12:09,803 --> 01:12:12,328
and has been annexed, uh,
and part of my country

1464
01:12:12,371 --> 01:12:15,113
is, you know, a war zone.

1465
01:12:15,156 --> 01:12:18,029
[rapid gunfire]

1466
01:12:18,072 --> 01:12:20,379
We're a country
constantly in peril.

1467
01:12:20,423 --> 01:12:24,122
Russia has significantly
more military capabilities

1468
01:12:24,165 --> 01:12:27,604
both in Eastern Ukraine
and surrounding Ukraine

1469
01:12:27,647 --> 01:12:29,475
than Ukraine has
or ever will have.

1470
01:12:30,998 --> 01:12:33,218
[Novikov] A lot of our security
comes from a partnership

1471
01:12:33,261 --> 01:12:36,264
with the United States
to physically survive.

1472
01:12:37,222 --> 01:12:40,094
So, when Zelenskyy
became president,

1473
01:12:40,138 --> 01:12:43,881
first thing Zelenskyy really
needed from President Trump

1474
01:12:43,924 --> 01:12:46,057
was a symbol of support.

1475
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:50,017
But we started realizing
that something was wrong.

1476
01:12:50,453 --> 01:12:53,020
You know, President Trump's
already made the decision

1477
01:12:53,064 --> 01:12:55,327
to freeze
the military assistance.

1478
01:12:55,936 --> 01:12:58,243
They put our country
immediately in direct danger

1479
01:12:58,286 --> 01:12:59,897
of being overrun by Russia.

1480
01:13:04,075 --> 01:13:05,772
[Nuzzi] Horrific things
were happening

1481
01:13:05,816 --> 01:13:07,731
in that era in Ukraine.

1482
01:13:07,774 --> 01:13:09,123
[loud explosion]

1483
01:13:09,167 --> 01:13:11,343
And at the same time

1484
01:13:11,387 --> 01:13:13,780
Rudy was freelancing
in Ukraine...

1485
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:17,523
looking for proof of wrongdoing
by Hunter Biden

1486
01:13:17,567 --> 01:13:19,960
with One America News Network.

1487
01:13:20,004 --> 01:13:21,614
[Reporter]
In this special edition

1488
01:13:21,658 --> 01:13:22,920
of One American News
Investigates,

1489
01:13:22,963 --> 01:13:24,617
our investigation takes us

1490
01:13:24,661 --> 01:13:26,489
thousands of miles
to Eastern Europe.

1491
01:13:26,532 --> 01:13:28,578
For this mission,
One American News brought

1492
01:13:28,621 --> 01:13:29,927
Rudy Giuliani.

1493
01:13:30,667 --> 01:13:32,408
If Fox News
is not right enough

1494
01:13:32,451 --> 01:13:35,149
and Newsmax
is not right enough,

1495
01:13:35,193 --> 01:13:39,458
then perhaps OANN
will be your speed.

1496
01:13:39,502 --> 01:13:41,939
[reporter] Rudy Giuliani,
together with One America News,

1497
01:13:41,982 --> 01:13:44,724
calls up top Ukrainian
diplomats and officials

1498
01:13:44,768 --> 01:13:47,466
as witnesses to testify
under oath

1499
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:48,859
their side of the story.

1500
01:13:49,425 --> 01:13:52,166
[Novikov] I'll put it this way,
uh, to all the people

1501
01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:55,518
that Rudy used
as his fixers,

1502
01:13:55,561 --> 01:14:00,261
to all the people
he associated himself with,

1503
01:14:00,305 --> 01:14:03,047
I can't name a single person

1504
01:14:03,090 --> 01:14:05,441
who's well-respected
here in Ukraine.

1505
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:08,574
[Giuliani] My role throughout,
going back over a year

1506
01:14:08,618 --> 01:14:10,620
before I met you--
I wish I had met you earlier--

1507
01:14:11,621 --> 01:14:14,275
is to try to get the facts.

1508
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:17,801
[Novikov] He was even working
with Russian agents.

1509
01:14:20,194 --> 01:14:21,631
You know, he didn't care
about the fact that,

1510
01:14:21,674 --> 01:14:24,460
you know, there wasn't
anything to investigate,

1511
01:14:24,503 --> 01:14:26,505
but he still
wanted that publicity.

1512
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,509
We realized
that the best way for us

1513
01:14:30,553 --> 01:14:32,380
to make sense
of what was happening

1514
01:14:32,424 --> 01:14:35,166
between
the White House and Ukraine

1515
01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:37,908
was to talk to Rudy.

1516
01:14:37,951 --> 01:14:40,693
[Volker] Okay, so we should have
on the line here,

1517
01:14:40,737 --> 01:14:44,175
America's Mayor,
Mayor Giuliani

1518
01:14:44,218 --> 01:14:46,656
and we have Andriy Yermak.

1519
01:14:46,699 --> 01:14:50,442
[Yermak] It's a great honor
to me to speak with you.

1520
01:14:50,486 --> 01:14:52,052
[Giuliani] I'm very glad
to talk to you.

1521
01:14:52,096 --> 01:14:53,880
I want to-- I want to
assure you

1522
01:14:53,924 --> 01:14:56,187
that I want very much to see

1523
01:14:56,230 --> 01:14:58,537
that our two countries
are able to work together.

1524
01:14:58,581 --> 01:15:01,758
Rudy was straight
to the point from the word go.

1525
01:15:02,236 --> 01:15:06,589
He wanted us
to commit to his conspiracies

1526
01:15:06,632 --> 01:15:09,200
in exchange
for support from the U.S.

1527
01:15:31,831 --> 01:15:34,530
And even threats
to President Zelenskyy,

1528
01:15:34,573 --> 01:15:36,096
implied threats.

1529
01:15:36,140 --> 01:15:38,838
That was, to me,
that was just unheard of.

1530
01:15:49,109 --> 01:15:51,677
[Novikov]
He acted as a mobster.

1531
01:15:51,721 --> 01:15:53,418
Reminded me of, you know,

1532
01:15:53,461 --> 01:15:55,289
an Italian crime boss
from the movies.

1533
01:15:56,639 --> 01:15:59,293
You don't have any issue
with a foreign power

1534
01:15:59,337 --> 01:16:02,122
investigating a political
rival of the President?

1535
01:16:02,166 --> 01:16:03,776
I do if he didn't do anything,

1536
01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:05,386
but if he bribed
the President of that country,

1537
01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:06,779
I have an issue
if they don't investigate.

1538
01:16:06,823 --> 01:16:08,172
So the ends
justify the means?

1539
01:16:08,215 --> 01:16:09,303
No.

1540
01:16:10,043 --> 01:16:11,436
The opposite way around.

1541
01:16:11,915 --> 01:16:14,308
It would be totally illegitimate
not to investigate it.

1542
01:16:14,352 --> 01:16:16,615
Are you at all concerned
about your future?

1543
01:16:16,659 --> 01:16:18,878
-Very-- oh, I'm so concerned.
-Because you have been placed

1544
01:16:18,922 --> 01:16:20,445
as a central role in this?

1545
01:16:21,228 --> 01:16:24,057
[chuckling] No, I'm not
concerned about my future.

1546
01:16:24,667 --> 01:16:28,975
Um, what I did is perfectly,
um, lawful, perfectly legal.

1547
01:16:29,019 --> 01:16:31,630
I find it completely
extraordinary

1548
01:16:31,674 --> 01:16:34,241
that you're spending all this
time asking me about what I did.

1549
01:16:34,285 --> 01:16:37,636
I should be
considered a whistleblower.

1550
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,464
I should be getting
whistleblower protection.

1551
01:16:39,899 --> 01:16:43,294
I actually found
facts that are true.

1552
01:16:48,081 --> 01:16:52,608
Rudy put our country
in serious danger.

1553
01:16:52,651 --> 01:16:55,349
He needs to face
the consequences of that.

1554
01:16:55,393 --> 01:16:57,917
And I think the people
of both our countries

1555
01:16:57,961 --> 01:16:59,179
need to be the judge of...

1556
01:17:00,137 --> 01:17:02,618
whether that was--
what he did was right.

1557
01:17:05,272 --> 01:17:09,668
Giuliani was doing
something intensely immoral

1558
01:17:09,712 --> 01:17:11,627
in assailing
Joe Biden as a crook.

1559
01:17:13,672 --> 01:17:15,456
And meanwhile he was, like,

1560
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:17,023
acting like a crook himself.

1561
01:17:23,813 --> 01:17:26,032
House resolution 755.

1562
01:17:26,729 --> 01:17:28,818
Impeaching Donald John Trump,

1563
01:17:28,861 --> 01:17:30,689
President of the United States.

1564
01:17:30,733 --> 01:17:32,865
President Trump
solicited the interference

1565
01:17:32,909 --> 01:17:35,302
of a foreign government,
Ukraine,

1566
01:17:35,346 --> 01:17:38,784
in the 2020 United States
Presidential election.

1567
01:17:38,828 --> 01:17:42,005
[Nuzzi]
Rudy's fuck ups were monumental.

1568
01:17:42,048 --> 01:17:44,572
He's responsible
for an impeachment.

1569
01:17:45,138 --> 01:17:46,270
Um.

1570
01:17:47,575 --> 01:17:49,621
You can't really fuck up
much worse than that,

1571
01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:51,405
unless he accidentally, like,

1572
01:17:51,449 --> 01:17:53,277
hit the nuclear button
or something.

1573
01:17:57,324 --> 01:17:59,544
[Rep. Adam Schiff] President
Trump intentionally bypassed

1574
01:17:59,587 --> 01:18:01,546
many U.S. Government
career officials

1575
01:18:01,589 --> 01:18:03,896
and advanced
his scheme primarily

1576
01:18:03,940 --> 01:18:06,594
through the effort
of his personal attorney,

1577
01:18:06,638 --> 01:18:07,726
Rudy Giuliani.

1578
01:18:09,206 --> 01:18:10,729
The quid pro quo is

1579
01:18:10,773 --> 01:18:12,296
we want you to do
an investigation

1580
01:18:12,339 --> 01:18:13,863
of the Bidens,
you know, the one,

1581
01:18:13,906 --> 01:18:15,603
the one the president's
been calling for.

1582
01:18:16,735 --> 01:18:18,955
That's exactly
the kind of domestic

1583
01:18:18,998 --> 01:18:20,870
corrupt political errand

1584
01:18:20,913 --> 01:18:24,047
that Rudy Giuliani
was doing gratis,

1585
01:18:24,090 --> 01:18:25,701
without payment,
at least not payment

1586
01:18:25,744 --> 01:18:27,006
apparently from the President.

1587
01:18:27,572 --> 01:18:29,530
So who's paying
the freight for it?

1588
01:18:30,053 --> 01:18:31,968
I can tell you
the whole country

1589
01:18:32,011 --> 01:18:33,534
is paying
the freight for it.

1590
01:18:36,363 --> 01:18:38,975
[Nuzzi] I randomly asked him

1591
01:18:39,018 --> 01:18:40,933
if he was free
for an interview.

1592
01:18:41,499 --> 01:18:43,893
And he said, "Where are you?
I'll pick you up."

1593
01:18:44,763 --> 01:18:46,939
He had just
gotten back from Ukraine

1594
01:18:46,983 --> 01:18:49,725
and like his luggage
was in the trunk.

1595
01:18:50,769 --> 01:18:53,772
It was a totally pleasant
experience except that he said,

1596
01:18:53,816 --> 01:18:56,296
like, some of the most
horrendous shit

1597
01:18:56,340 --> 01:19:00,561
and confusing shit that I've
ever heard in an interview.

1598
01:19:01,432 --> 01:19:05,262
For someone
who is still very proud

1599
01:19:05,305 --> 01:19:07,568
to have prosecuted the mob,

1600
01:19:07,612 --> 01:19:09,788
one of the great ironies
of the last few years

1601
01:19:09,832 --> 01:19:12,312
is that Rudy was, like,
running around the world

1602
01:19:12,356 --> 01:19:14,880
with this gang of criminals.

1603
01:19:14,924 --> 01:19:17,100
-Hi, Moshe.
-Moshe, how are you, baby?

1604
01:19:17,143 --> 01:19:18,666
-How you doing?
-[laughter]

1605
01:19:18,710 --> 01:19:20,625
[Nuzzi]
Lev Parnas is one of them.

1606
01:19:21,234 --> 01:19:23,280
And Igor Fruman...

1607
01:19:23,323 --> 01:19:25,935
-I can't wait to come back.
-See you in Ukraine soon.

1608
01:19:25,978 --> 01:19:28,981
Lev Parnas, he had a company
called Fraud Guarantee.

1609
01:19:29,721 --> 01:19:32,550
And when I asked Rudy,
you know, like...

1610
01:19:34,117 --> 01:19:37,511
Fraud Guarantee,
does that not raise an alarm?

1611
01:19:37,555 --> 01:19:38,948
Um.

1612
01:19:38,991 --> 01:19:40,819
I also said,
they also just look like

1613
01:19:40,863 --> 01:19:43,996
criminals, like,
I'm sorry, they do.

1614
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:48,392
And he said, uh, "No, they
just look like Miami people."

1615
01:19:48,914 --> 01:19:51,525
[spoke person] Last night,
the FBI arrested Lev Parnas

1616
01:19:51,569 --> 01:19:55,007
and Igor Fruman on campaign
finance related charges

1617
01:19:55,051 --> 01:19:57,227
as they attempted to leave
the United States.

1618
01:19:57,270 --> 01:20:00,099
They had issues
with the law, um,

1619
01:20:00,143 --> 01:20:02,667
and he was
so dismissive of that

1620
01:20:02,710 --> 01:20:05,931
in a way
that I found so at odds

1621
01:20:05,975 --> 01:20:08,934
with the Rudy Giuliani of yore,

1622
01:20:08,978 --> 01:20:11,676
who was going after anyone

1623
01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:14,244
who had ever taken a meeting
with the mob, you know,

1624
01:20:14,287 --> 01:20:15,811
and now he's like,
"Ah, you know,

1625
01:20:15,854 --> 01:20:17,856
if you get fined
or you run

1626
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:20,728
a foul of regulators,
it happens."

1627
01:20:20,772 --> 01:20:22,730
So, you never met with
the president, Lev Parnas,

1628
01:20:22,774 --> 01:20:24,515
at that Hanukkah party,
you're saying you never--

1629
01:20:24,558 --> 01:20:26,691
Actually, actually, whi--
wha-- I-- what I did was

1630
01:20:26,734 --> 01:20:28,388
I introduced the two of them
to the president--

1631
01:20:28,432 --> 01:20:31,087
[Nuzzi] It felt like,
he's just out there

1632
01:20:31,130 --> 01:20:35,308
doing the most to get himself
in trouble.

1633
01:20:35,352 --> 01:20:36,657
And it's working.

1634
01:20:38,485 --> 01:20:41,837
[crowd cheering]

1635
01:20:46,929 --> 01:20:49,279
Folks!

1636
01:20:49,322 --> 01:20:51,150
The people of this nation
have spoken.

1637
01:20:52,717 --> 01:20:55,111
They've delivered us
a clear victory.

1638
01:20:55,154 --> 01:20:58,766
We've won with the most votes
in the history of the nation.

1639
01:21:01,334 --> 01:21:02,858
Tonight, We've seen...

1640
01:21:03,597 --> 01:21:05,773
[Kirtzman] So now,
things are really hot, right?

1641
01:21:05,817 --> 01:21:07,340
So, election night
comes and goes

1642
01:21:07,384 --> 01:21:10,517
and Giuliani
makes his play to Trump

1643
01:21:10,561 --> 01:21:13,651
to go on a campaign
to convince the American public

1644
01:21:13,694 --> 01:21:16,393
um, that Trump
had actually won.

1645
01:21:16,436 --> 01:21:18,395
This isn't democracy.

1646
01:21:18,438 --> 01:21:21,485
And with that I want to pass it
off to the great Rudy Giuliani.

1647
01:21:22,921 --> 01:21:26,098
[Kirtzman] The major kickoff
to resurrect

1648
01:21:26,142 --> 01:21:29,275
Donald Trump's fortunes
was a big press conference

1649
01:21:29,319 --> 01:21:32,539
he was going to hold at the
Four Seasons in Pennsylvania.

1650
01:21:35,934 --> 01:21:37,762
But it turned out
that the Four Seasons

1651
01:21:37,805 --> 01:21:42,549
was a landscaping company
in the middle of nowhere.

1652
01:21:45,465 --> 01:21:51,123
[people shouting indistinctly]

1653
01:21:51,167 --> 01:21:53,865
...completely delusional.
It is over!

1654
01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:58,826
[inaudible conversation]

1655
01:21:58,870 --> 01:22:01,655
[Nuzzi] I ended up
spending six weeks

1656
01:22:01,699 --> 01:22:04,441
and I interviewed
dozens of people

1657
01:22:04,484 --> 01:22:07,835
at laughably
high levels of the government

1658
01:22:07,879 --> 01:22:11,317
to try and figure out
why Rudy Giuliani

1659
01:22:11,361 --> 01:22:14,755
ended up
at a landscaping company

1660
01:22:14,799 --> 01:22:16,670
across the street
from a crematorium

1661
01:22:16,714 --> 01:22:19,673
and next to a porn shop,
talking about voter fraud.

1662
01:22:23,808 --> 01:22:24,940
And I still don't know.

1663
01:22:28,465 --> 01:22:30,684
Wow, what a beautiful day.
Thank you.

1664
01:22:30,728 --> 01:22:32,730
Thank you for coming.

1665
01:22:32,773 --> 01:22:35,689
So, I'm here
on behalf of the--

1666
01:22:35,733 --> 01:22:37,474
on behalf of
the Trump campaign

1667
01:22:37,517 --> 01:22:39,563
as an attorney for--

1668
01:22:39,606 --> 01:22:40,956
for the president

1669
01:22:40,999 --> 01:22:42,348
to describe to you...

1670
01:22:44,742 --> 01:22:47,049
the first part of a situation

1671
01:22:47,092 --> 01:22:48,485
that is extremely--

1672
01:22:49,660 --> 01:22:51,227
extremely troubling.

1673
01:22:57,102 --> 01:23:00,888
[Nuzzi] Rudy's grand theory
of election fraud

1674
01:23:00,932 --> 01:23:03,500
was a maximalist approach.

1675
01:23:03,979 --> 01:23:05,850
Dead people were voting,

1676
01:23:05,893 --> 01:23:09,027
the actual voting machines
were rigged.

1677
01:23:09,071 --> 01:23:12,465
Venezuela was involved.
Ukraine was involved.

1678
01:23:12,509 --> 01:23:16,730
Just every conceivable
conspiracy colliding at once.

1679
01:23:16,774 --> 01:23:18,602
I don't believe
in conspiracies,

1680
01:23:18,645 --> 01:23:21,213
but I also don't believe
in coincidence.

1681
01:23:21,257 --> 01:23:23,607
Gee, just about
the 700,000 votes

1682
01:23:23,650 --> 01:23:26,001
that President Trump
was ahead by two days ago...

1683
01:23:27,089 --> 01:23:28,438
disappeared.

1684
01:23:30,570 --> 01:23:32,746
I'm sure it's a fraud
and this will be

1685
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:34,096
a very, very strong case.

1686
01:23:35,923 --> 01:23:37,882
And I know--
I know you won't accept it

1687
01:23:37,925 --> 01:23:39,884
because of your
hateful biases,

1688
01:23:39,927 --> 01:23:42,234
but let's see if you can
try thinking rationally.

1689
01:23:43,192 --> 01:23:45,629
Trump was dying to hear
someone tell him

1690
01:23:45,672 --> 01:23:47,109
what he wanted to hear,

1691
01:23:47,152 --> 01:23:48,936
which is that
the election was fixed.

1692
01:23:50,286 --> 01:23:53,115
And fewer people around him
were willing to tell him that.

1693
01:23:55,595 --> 01:23:59,991
And Mr. Mayor, it's gonna be
a fantastic hearing today.

1694
01:24:00,035 --> 01:24:02,515
If we allow elections
in the future

1695
01:24:02,559 --> 01:24:05,779
to be conducted the way
this election was conducted...

1696
01:24:05,823 --> 01:24:07,999
we will have lost
our Democracy,

1697
01:24:08,043 --> 01:24:09,696
our representative Democracy.

1698
01:24:09,740 --> 01:24:13,700
[applauding]

1699
01:24:13,744 --> 01:24:16,138
I know crooks really well.

1700
01:24:16,181 --> 01:24:18,314
You give them an inch
and they take a mile.

1701
01:24:18,357 --> 01:24:20,316
And you give them a mile and
they take your whole country.

1702
01:24:20,838 --> 01:24:24,929
[applauding]

1703
01:24:24,972 --> 01:24:26,757
[Trump] I want to thank
Rudy Giuliani

1704
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:28,802
for having the courage.

1705
01:24:28,846 --> 01:24:31,675
Rudy is the greatest mayor
in the history of New York

1706
01:24:31,718 --> 01:24:32,850
and there's a reason.

1707
01:24:32,893 --> 01:24:34,765
He's got great courage.

1708
01:24:34,808 --> 01:24:37,333
This is going to be
your crowning achievement

1709
01:24:37,376 --> 01:24:39,161
because you're saving
our country.

1710
01:24:39,204 --> 01:24:40,379
Thank you.

1711
01:24:40,423 --> 01:24:42,425
[crowd cheering, applauding]

1712
01:24:45,558 --> 01:24:50,128
[crowd chanting] Trump, Trump,
Trump, Trump, Trump.

1713
01:24:51,216 --> 01:24:54,045
I was shocked
that he was that zealous...

1714
01:24:55,002 --> 01:24:58,702
that he would lie
so conspicuously.

1715
01:24:59,572 --> 01:25:02,401
But that was to protect
the pot of gold.

1716
01:25:05,883 --> 01:25:09,365
Rudy was disorganized.
He was deluded.

1717
01:25:10,017 --> 01:25:13,499
He wanted something
to be true that wasn't true.

1718
01:25:14,065 --> 01:25:16,850
There was a sloppiness
to what he was doing.

1719
01:25:16,894 --> 01:25:18,113
Good afternoon.

1720
01:25:19,592 --> 01:25:21,464
And thank you very much
for coming.

1721
01:25:21,507 --> 01:25:23,248
Uh, this is...

1722
01:25:23,292 --> 01:25:26,077
[Nuzzi] The sane lawyers
had literally left already.

1723
01:25:27,426 --> 01:25:30,037
And then there were
the crazy lawyers.

1724
01:25:30,081 --> 01:25:32,039
There were a lot more lawyers
working on this,

1725
01:25:32,083 --> 01:25:36,087
but we're the-- I guess
we're the, uh, senior lawyers.

1726
01:25:37,219 --> 01:25:38,698
[Kirtzman] You know,
he went out

1727
01:25:38,742 --> 01:25:40,439
in appearance
after appearance...

1728
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:43,268
making a complete fool
of himself.

1729
01:25:45,531 --> 01:25:47,577
The frustration of this is

1730
01:25:47,620 --> 01:25:50,188
what I'm describing to you
is a massive fraud.

1731
01:25:51,755 --> 01:25:54,149
[Giuliani speaking inaudibly]

1732
01:25:56,238 --> 01:25:58,240
[Kirtzman] Listen,
he knew if Trump lost

1733
01:25:58,283 --> 01:26:00,372
and Joe Biden won,

1734
01:26:00,416 --> 01:26:02,200
he was gonna have
a very rough life.

1735
01:26:03,767 --> 01:26:06,726
So that's why he was
so desperate for Trump to win.

1736
01:26:08,032 --> 01:26:10,600
To the extent that he would
just lie about the results.

1737
01:26:10,643 --> 01:26:12,689
Just go out there and lie
and say we won.

1738
01:26:13,516 --> 01:26:14,778
That's desperation.

1739
01:26:18,216 --> 01:26:19,739
[Nuzzi] When you're
spending time with anyone

1740
01:26:19,783 --> 01:26:21,176
that you're profiling,

1741
01:26:21,219 --> 01:26:24,788
they're inevitably
going to display

1742
01:26:24,831 --> 01:26:26,572
some human qualities

1743
01:26:26,616 --> 01:26:28,313
and some of them
might be embarrassing.

1744
01:26:28,357 --> 01:26:30,228
Thank you.

1745
01:26:30,272 --> 01:26:32,665
[Nuzzi] I remember during
an interview with Rudy...

1746
01:26:33,971 --> 01:26:35,538
when he speaks to you,

1747
01:26:35,581 --> 01:26:40,717
he would just fully turn
and be looking,

1748
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,719
like, as if he thought
I was over there.

1749
01:26:44,547 --> 01:26:47,724
He was having a conversation
with someone who was not there.

1750
01:26:48,507 --> 01:26:50,422
It's actually a bit unsettling.

1751
01:26:51,902 --> 01:26:55,906
And then at one point
he began drooling...

1752
01:26:57,951 --> 01:27:00,171
and it was like streaming down,

1753
01:27:00,215 --> 01:27:03,348
like a-- like, a valley of,
like, a wrinkle in his face.

1754
01:27:05,698 --> 01:27:09,006
It's one of those things that's
like everyone talked about it.

1755
01:27:09,049 --> 01:27:12,923
Everyone talked about
is Rudy okay

1756
01:27:12,966 --> 01:27:14,838
or what's going on with Rudy

1757
01:27:14,881 --> 01:27:16,666
or, you know,
what's the matter with Rudy?

1758
01:27:20,104 --> 01:27:22,193
They'd have to
get into his head to know.

1759
01:27:29,940 --> 01:27:34,249
[dramatic instrumental playing]

1760
01:27:45,782 --> 01:27:48,480
♪ Is he right?
Is he wrong? ♪

1761
01:27:48,524 --> 01:27:51,135
♪ Did he string us all along?

1762
01:27:51,178 --> 01:27:56,314
♪ Could it be
I'm no longer their savior? ♪

1763
01:27:56,358 --> 01:28:01,928
♪ Is his demise in the cause
as he comes apart? ♪

1764
01:28:01,972 --> 01:28:07,238
♪ Will I be punished
for my horrible behavior? ♪

1765
01:28:07,282 --> 01:28:09,109
[Kirtzman]
If you asked me did Giuliani

1766
01:28:09,153 --> 01:28:11,155
actually believe this crap?

1767
01:28:11,198 --> 01:28:13,984
Um, I think probably
he did after a while.

1768
01:28:14,419 --> 01:28:16,639
He could talk himself
into anything

1769
01:28:16,682 --> 01:28:19,206
when it's in his
best interest.

1770
01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:22,079
So, if that involved
making up this nonsense,

1771
01:28:22,122 --> 01:28:23,820
then that's
what he was going to do.

1772
01:28:23,863 --> 01:28:26,953
♪ He's not sure what to think

1773
01:28:26,997 --> 01:28:30,043
♪ 'Cause he made up
this whole thing ♪

1774
01:28:30,087 --> 01:28:34,831
♪ I used to be
America's Mayor ♪

1775
01:28:34,874 --> 01:28:40,402
There was this huge divide
between Rudy, the spokesman

1776
01:28:40,445 --> 01:28:42,534
for fixing
the rigged election

1777
01:28:42,578 --> 01:28:45,581
and Rudy, the lawyer.

1778
01:28:45,624 --> 01:28:49,628
Rudy the lawyer was
not making most of the claims

1779
01:28:49,672 --> 01:28:51,848
that Rudy the spokesman
was making.

1780
01:28:51,891 --> 01:28:55,460
It's not my job
in a fast moving case to go out

1781
01:28:55,504 --> 01:28:58,463
and investigate every piece
of evidence that is given to me.

1782
01:28:58,507 --> 01:29:00,378
Otherwise you're never
going to write a story.

1783
01:29:00,422 --> 01:29:02,162
You never come to a conclusion.

1784
01:29:02,206 --> 01:29:04,164
When he got
into a courtroom,

1785
01:29:04,208 --> 01:29:06,079
he had to become
a lot more careful.

1786
01:29:06,123 --> 01:29:09,039
He didn't want to commit
perjury and he knew

1787
01:29:09,082 --> 01:29:10,823
that he didn't have
overwhelming proof

1788
01:29:10,867 --> 01:29:14,479
and it pissed off, you know,
a legion of judges

1789
01:29:14,523 --> 01:29:16,699
who-- they're like,
"Why are you wasting my time?"

1790
01:29:16,742 --> 01:29:19,571
This case is ridiculous.

1791
01:29:19,615 --> 01:29:21,486
♪ He's right

1792
01:29:21,530 --> 01:29:24,576
♪ Am I wrong
to string everyone along? ♪

1793
01:29:24,620 --> 01:29:26,491
♪ He is right

1794
01:29:26,535 --> 01:29:29,189
♪ Am I wrong
to string everyone along? ♪

1795
01:29:30,147 --> 01:29:32,018
♪ He is right

1796
01:29:32,062 --> 01:29:35,413
♪ Am I wrong
to string everyone along? ♪

1797
01:29:35,457 --> 01:29:37,067
♪ He is right

1798
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:38,721
[Kirtzman]
The problem was that

1799
01:29:38,764 --> 01:29:40,244
a certain percentage
of the American public

1800
01:29:40,287 --> 01:29:42,855
didn't care
that what he was saying

1801
01:29:42,899 --> 01:29:44,814
was not actually the truth.

1802
01:29:44,857 --> 01:29:50,472
♪ Don't let them say
that I am old and evil ♪

1803
01:29:50,515 --> 01:29:56,434
♪ 'Cause everything I do
is perfectly legal ♪

1804
01:29:56,478 --> 01:29:59,959
♪ Perfect and legal

1805
01:30:01,831 --> 01:30:04,921
♪ Perfect and legal

1806
01:30:04,964 --> 01:30:06,575
[announcer]
Ladies and gentlemen,

1807
01:30:06,618 --> 01:30:08,751
please welcome
America's Mayor,

1808
01:30:08,794 --> 01:30:10,230
Rudy Giuliani!

1809
01:30:10,274 --> 01:30:12,363
[crowd cheering]

1810
01:30:13,712 --> 01:30:15,192
[Giuliani] Hello, everyone!

1811
01:30:15,235 --> 01:30:18,543
♪ Legal

1812
01:30:18,587 --> 01:30:22,765
Every single thing
that has been outlined

1813
01:30:22,808 --> 01:30:26,290
as the plan for today
is perfectly legal.

1814
01:30:26,333 --> 01:30:29,859
[crowd cheering]

1815
01:30:33,166 --> 01:30:34,254
So...

1816
01:30:36,039 --> 01:30:38,345
it seems to me...

1817
01:30:38,389 --> 01:30:40,957
we don't want to find out
three weeks from now...

1818
01:30:41,784 --> 01:30:43,481
even more proof

1819
01:30:43,525 --> 01:30:45,744
that this election
was stolen, do we?

1820
01:30:45,788 --> 01:30:48,225
[crowd yelling]

1821
01:30:48,268 --> 01:30:49,400
So...

1822
01:30:51,533 --> 01:30:53,709
let's have trial by combat!

1823
01:30:53,752 --> 01:30:55,841
[crowd cheering]

1824
01:30:55,885 --> 01:30:58,888
[crowd chanting]
Right for Trump!

1825
01:30:58,931 --> 01:31:01,151
[demonstrator] We're gonna
storm the fucking Capitol.

1826
01:31:01,194 --> 01:31:02,718
Fuck you fuckers.

1827
01:31:02,761 --> 01:31:04,807
[Lee] There can be
many reasons for lying,

1828
01:31:04,850 --> 01:31:09,942
but most relevant here
is a fragile mental state

1829
01:31:09,986 --> 01:31:13,642
that makes one incapable
of accepting reality.

1830
01:31:13,685 --> 01:31:16,253
This was the worst election
in American history.

1831
01:31:17,472 --> 01:31:19,343
This election was stolen...

1832
01:31:19,386 --> 01:31:21,737
[crowd shouting]

1833
01:31:21,780 --> 01:31:25,088
...and it has to be vindicated
to save our Republic.

1834
01:31:25,871 --> 01:31:30,397
[demonstrators shouting
inaudibly]

1835
01:31:30,441 --> 01:31:34,489
[Lee] Bombarding a society
with lies is a form of control.

1836
01:31:35,054 --> 01:31:38,405
It incapacitates
the population from acting

1837
01:31:38,449 --> 01:31:39,929
because no one can tell

1838
01:31:39,972 --> 01:31:41,931
what is true
and what is not true.

1839
01:31:41,974 --> 01:31:47,502
[indistinct shouting]

1840
01:31:48,415 --> 01:31:50,548
It divides
the population between those

1841
01:31:50,592 --> 01:31:53,638
who buy into the lie
and those who do not.

1842
01:31:53,682 --> 01:31:56,511
This is bigger
than Donald Trump.

1843
01:31:56,554 --> 01:31:58,904
It's bigger than you and me.

1844
01:31:58,948 --> 01:32:02,952
It's about these monuments
and what they stand for.

1845
01:32:05,345 --> 01:32:11,221
[indistinct shouting]

1846
01:32:15,747 --> 01:32:18,794
[Lee] The self-awareness
that allows oneself to see

1847
01:32:18,837 --> 01:32:22,449
that something is wrong
is what is compromised.

1848
01:32:22,493 --> 01:32:25,061
[inaudible shouting]

1849
01:32:26,018 --> 01:32:28,455
As this pathology
continues to spread...

1850
01:32:29,152 --> 01:32:34,853
I'm afraid that we are at a loss
to be able to help ourselves.

1851
01:32:34,897 --> 01:32:37,552
[Giuliani] They have invaded
our freedom of speech,

1852
01:32:37,595 --> 01:32:39,466
freedom of religion,

1853
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:42,078
our freedom to move,
our freedom to live.

1854
01:32:42,121 --> 01:32:44,167
I'll be darned
if they're going to take away

1855
01:32:44,210 --> 01:32:45,864
our free and fair vote!

1856
01:32:48,084 --> 01:32:49,825
And we're going
to fight to the very end

1857
01:32:49,868 --> 01:32:51,783
to make sure
that doesn't happen.

1858
01:32:51,827 --> 01:32:53,785
[demonstrator] He has a gun,
he has a gun, he has a gun!

1859
01:32:56,266 --> 01:32:57,572
-[gunfire]
-[demonstrator grunts]

1860
01:32:57,615 --> 01:33:02,011
[inaudible shouting]

1861
01:33:03,142 --> 01:33:06,711
[somber instrumental music]

1862
01:33:36,828 --> 01:33:38,482
[Trump]
He just loves this country

1863
01:33:38,525 --> 01:33:40,223
and they raid his apartment.

1864
01:33:40,266 --> 01:33:42,617
It's, like, so unfair.

1865
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,445
[Giuliani]
These judges take action

1866
01:33:45,489 --> 01:33:46,795
without giving me a hearing.

1867
01:33:50,929 --> 01:33:53,062
[reporter] Do you still believe
the election was a fraud?

1868
01:33:53,105 --> 01:33:55,412
What I'm telling you is,
let's get beyond that.

1869
01:33:56,543 --> 01:33:58,633
If you want to say
I said something irresponsible,

1870
01:33:58,676 --> 01:34:00,460
you gotta give me a chance
to defend myself.

1871
01:34:03,855 --> 01:34:05,814
I'm under investigation
for anything they can find.

1872
01:34:08,947 --> 01:34:10,383
They could look
at your whole life.

1873
01:34:13,735 --> 01:34:16,738
I mean this--
this is ridiculous.

1874
01:34:22,178 --> 01:34:25,181
[Kirtzman] The man
started his career as a hero.

1875
01:34:30,752 --> 01:34:32,928
Fast forward
a half century later...

1876
01:34:36,671 --> 01:34:38,498
and look at Rudy Giuliani.

1877
01:34:38,542 --> 01:34:39,978
There's nothing left.

1878
01:34:43,895 --> 01:34:46,332
His reputation was destroyed.

1879
01:34:47,116 --> 01:34:48,508
Now, he could
end up in jail...

1880
01:34:50,467 --> 01:34:52,295
all in the service
of Donald Trump?

1881
01:34:55,777 --> 01:34:57,909
That's the tragedy
of Rudy Giuliani.

1882
01:34:59,302 --> 01:35:02,087
He was willing
to sell his soul...

1883
01:35:03,219 --> 01:35:04,350
for nothing.

1884
01:35:13,925 --> 01:35:15,884
[Giuliani]
The most important thing to me

1885
01:35:15,927 --> 01:35:19,148
is what I think of myself
and what my family thinks of me

1886
01:35:19,191 --> 01:35:21,890
in any decision that I make.

1887
01:35:21,933 --> 01:35:25,720
That's-- um,
that's the way I define myself.

1888
01:35:25,763 --> 01:35:27,765
When I was growing up.

1889
01:35:27,809 --> 01:35:30,289
My father would say
"You make a decision."

1890
01:35:30,333 --> 01:35:32,770
The most important
thing is that
you can shave the next morning

1891
01:35:32,814 --> 01:35:34,119
and look at yourself
in the mirror

1892
01:35:34,163 --> 01:35:35,381
and feel good about yourself.

1893
01:35:37,732 --> 01:35:43,085
[eerie music]

1894
01:35:49,178 --> 01:35:54,792
[distorted audio]

1895
01:36:03,845 --> 01:36:06,935
[determined instrumental
playing]

1896
01:36:23,516 --> 01:36:25,301
[male reporter] Rudy Giuliani
is selling autographed

1897
01:36:25,344 --> 01:36:28,173
9/11 t-shirts for $911.

1898
01:36:28,217 --> 01:36:31,568
[female reporter]
For 199 bucks, Rudy Giuliani

1899
01:36:31,611 --> 01:36:34,876
will send you
a personalized video shoutout.

1900
01:36:34,919 --> 01:36:36,878
Or a greeting
that I can bring to someone

1901
01:36:36,921 --> 01:36:39,141
that would bring
happiness to their day.

1902
01:36:39,184 --> 01:36:40,969
I would be delighted to do it.

1903
01:36:41,012 --> 01:36:44,755
[man over microphone]
Oh, my goodness, Rudy Giuliani!

1904
01:36:44,799 --> 01:36:47,105
Oh, my God!

1905
01:36:47,149 --> 01:36:50,717
With all of the controversy
surrounding you right now,

1906
01:36:50,761 --> 01:36:52,850
I think it surprises us all

1907
01:36:52,894 --> 01:36:54,286
that you're here
on the Masked Singer.

1908
01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:56,245
Me, too.

1909
01:36:56,288 --> 01:36:58,551
[anchor] Breaking news
as war unfolds in Ukraine.

1910
01:36:58,595 --> 01:37:00,945
This morning,
explosions and sirens

1911
01:37:00,989 --> 01:37:02,860
heard in and around Kiev.

1912
01:37:02,904 --> 01:37:04,601
[reporter] Joining me now,
former personal attorney

1913
01:37:04,644 --> 01:37:06,646
for President Trump,
Rudy Giuliani.

1914
01:37:06,690 --> 01:37:11,042
Putin played this almost like
a symphony conductor.

1915
01:37:14,959 --> 01:37:18,484
[eerie instrumental music]

1916
01:38:15,977 --> 01:38:22,200
♪

1917
01:39:15,558 --> 01:39:17,603
[music fades]