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[orchestral music playing]
Hello, this is Rudy Giuliani with Rudy's Common Sense.
This episode is going to concern itself
with what really happened on January 6th, 2021.
[inaudible yelling]
[classical music playing]
The narrative here
is that the speech or speeches given
had something to do with the violence
that took place at the Capitol.
The simple fact is
that the two things are separate from each other.
[inaudible yelling]
It was a rally of love.
Let's have trial by combat.
[Trump] The radical left knows exactly what they're doing.
They're ruthless
and it's time that somebody did something about it.
[Giuliani] Nothing said at the rally
would amount to inciting anything
and it didn't incite anything.
[glass shatters]
They all seem to be really nice people.
[all chanting]
Where and how they can blame it on Donald Trump
is part of the sickness of our age.
[inaudible yelling]
[Trump] Everyone here will soon be marching over
to the Capitol building
to peacefully and patriotically
make your voices heard.
[rioter yells] What the fuck, let's go!
[Giuliani] Something very serious
has gone wrong in our country.
We have got to change back to what it used to be.
This is about time to take a short break.
["A Message to You, Rudy" by The Specials playing]
-So help me God. -So help me God.
♪ Rudy
[upbeat classical music playing]
[reporter] Rudolph Giuliani has been called many things.
Republican, Democrat,
The Big Apple's mayor,
America's mayor, mafia fighter,
and opera lover.
[Giuliani] See, I started an opera club
-when I was in high school. -[interviewer] Really? Wow.
[Giuliani] Uh, and as a teenager
I would go off to the Metropolitan Opera
and stand on line.
[reporter] Diamonds, glitter, and new fashions predominate
as the Metropolitan Opera Company opens its 83rd season.
Party [indistinct] waited up to six days in line
for standing room only tickets.
[Giuliani] From then on,
I've been collecting opera, going to opera.
All my life.
It's been a wonderful source of relaxation
and leading a somewhat complicated life,
at times, you know, I think it's saved me
an enormous amount of money in psychiatric bills.
[laughs]
[interviewer laughs] Okay, okay, I'll take that.
[classical music playing]
[Kirtzman] I've kind of bought
into the whole man of destiny thing.
Felt that way even at the beginning
when I first met him,
I saw something in him that was rare
for the politicians that I covered.
The most important question to arise from this.
As the mayor comes down,
we will be able to hear from his own words.
I covered Giuliani starting in 1993
and I've been writing about him ever since.
So I have kind of a PhD in Rudy Giuliani.
[inaudible dialogue]
One of the things that's so fascinating
is his family story.
I mean Giuliani grew up
in a family of cops and robbers, literally.
My father had very, very strong moral views
about being honest
and would give me long lectures
about never making money the centerpiece of your life
and you can be destroyed if you do
and, uh, being true to yourself.
And he was-- he was a very strong influence on-- on me.
[Kirtzman] He talked so passionately and emotionally
about his father, about the lessons
that his father taught him.
All these things that were antithetical
to how Harold himself was living his life.
[audience applauding]
♪ Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Giuliani
[Kirtzman] There was a story about Rudy's father
where one day he and an accomplice
decided to rob a milkman.
♪ His father robbed a milkman ♪
Harold made him take his pants down...
to tie up his legs and his-- his hands.
♪ They locked him up in Sing Sing ♪
After prison, Harold went to work as a bouncer
for his brother-in-law, who was basically a mobster.
♪ He worked with his hands, he worked with his hands ♪
And when it was time to collect,
that's where Harold came in handy.
-[thumping] -[audience gasps]
♪ Rudy, Rudy, Rudy Giuliani
And then a couple of years later...
Giuliani was born.
[vocalizing]
-[baby cries] -[audience applauding]
[Kirtzman] The family moved out of Brooklyn
to protect Rudy...
and they lived in suburbia.
He grew up in a very, very Catholic world
and, you know, in later years he gave this famous speech
equating freedom with authority
and, uh, that I think trace back to the values
that weren't so treasured by the church.
He went into the law
I think because the law also had its own rules.
There was right, there was wrong,
and there was someone who could enforce it.
You know, he kind of lived life
as a priest in a pinstripe suit.
[upbeat pop music playing]
He had made his mark as a high-ranking member
of the Reagan justice department.
People started to recognize Giuliani's accomplishments
and then he was offered the job as US Attorney
for the Southern District of New York.
[reporter] New York.
The Big Apple.
Things have changed...
and the man who's made them change
is Rudy Giuliani
and we're here in New York City
to talk to the people about Rudolph Giuliani
and to hear the people speak.
-Excuse me, sir. -Yes?
What do you think of Giuliani?
What the hell's a Giuliani?
[reporter] We're here with a busload
of Rudy Giuliani's fans and admirers.
Come on in.
I know they're here somewhere.
What do you think of Giuliani?
Who?
I don't know him that well.
[reporter] What do you think of Rudy Giuliani?
[classical music playing]
[Giuliani] I see my job as, in some ways,
I wouldn't call it a crusade,
but part of the excitement of the job
is the feeling of fulfillment
in being able to remove from society
some people who do terrible harm to it.
[inaudible]
[Kirtzman] There's this old saying
that if you're gonna hit a home run,
do it in Yankee stadium.
This was a grand stage in the grandest city.
This is a guy who likes to be the star
of his own show
and that job allowed him to do that.
[Eolis] During the course of my career,
I have been an entrepreneur,
I have been part of the political maelstrom
and I was an advisor to Rudy Giuliani.
In my spare time,
I'm a serious,
internationally recognized poker competitor.
When he took the US Attorney's position,
he clearly wanted to rid the world
of what he believed were really bad guys.
Corruption on Wall Street.
[Giuliani] Whether it's insider trading or tax invasion,
the overwhelming general rule is that you go to prison.
[Eolis] Corruption in the City.
[Giuliani] That a government agency can be run
as an enterprise for these politicians
to make millions and millions of dollars.
It's a tragic thing.
And he was very focused on the mob.
[Giuliani] We're very conscious of the fact that the mafia
is the most powerful organized crime group in New York.
They institutionally invaded our society the most,
but I'm hopeful that we can do something permanent
about the power of organized crime.
The commission case against the mafia was something
that I developed reading Joe Bonanno's book.
It occurred to me that we could do a racketeering case
against the commission of the mafia.
[Corleone] [indistinct] I want to thank you for helping me
organize this meeting--
[Kirtzman] Joe Bonanno described
this kind of Godfather scene
where the heads of the mobsters would get together
and carve out their territory.
Giuliani, the lore that he's created
was that-- that was a light bulb moment
where he's like, "Well, forget these individual prosecutions,
I'm gonna prosecute them all as one."
[Giuliani] This is a great day for law enforcement,
but probably the worst for the mafia.
This case charges more mafia bosses
in one indictment than any ever before.
[Dietl] I never wanted to be a cop.
It was this way.
I grew up in Ozone Park.
I grew up with a guy named John Gotti, the father.
Ralphie Scopo, the father.
He used to go meet Sammy the Weasel
on 33rd Street and Lexington Avenue.
"You're going to be a concrete laborer."
I was up there and freezing my ass off.
I said to myself,
"Is this what I want to do the rest of my life?"
And, uh, I then decided, let me try this cop shit.
But I'm gonna tell you something,
what Rudy did with the commission case
was probably the most important thing
to dismantle organized crime with the five crime families.
And a lot of my Italian friends
are not in love with Rudy Giuliani. [laughs]
It was so harrowing in its audacity.
It seemed kind of too ambitious,
um, but he knew what he was doing
and, um, you know, that was a very, very thrilling trial
and the fact that he won, you know, what could be better?
Do you feel strongly
about a lot of things in your own life?
I mean, do you have codes that you live by, that are--
you're not wishy-washy at all on?
Oh, sure. There are things that are
very, very important to me and--
and the most important thing to me
is what I think of myself and my family thinks of me
in any decision that I make.
I mean that's-- uh, that's the way I define myself.
I mean, I-- uh,
that's-- that is in fact the way I think,
that's the way I was brought up
to what my father would say to me,
"When you make a decision, the most important thing
you've got to think about is can you shave the next morning
and look at yourself in the mirror
and feel good about yourself?"
[Kirtzman] Part of his mystique was his incorruptibility.
He had a reputation as being someone
who could not be bought.
There's a story that, uh,
a childhood friend of his told me,
which, uh, he came to Giuliani's office
with this, uh, framed eight by ten picture
of both of their fathers together
back in the-- you know, back in the day,
gave it to Giuliani and Giuliani said,
"This is a great picture"
and pulled it out of the frame and gave the frame back
and he said, "I cannot accept a gift."
And that was kind of the Rudy Giuliani of that era.
Someone who was scrupulous about, uh, ethics.
[Eolis] In the years that I knew him,
I think he believed that his compass was focused
all the time on morality,
but I think he had a very strong view
of his own righteous indignation.
Rudy had no patience
with even getting all of the facts.
If someone had disappointed him
in terms of their morals, their loyalty.
[Lee] For mental health experts,
it's often an alarm signal
when one is too moralistic
or one presents oneself as too confident.
These can be what are called reaction formation,
meaning an attempt to overcome
one's inner sense of inadequacy
or one's inner sense of corruption and criminality
by projecting oneself
and even convincing oneself in the process
that one is truly moral and stands above others.
[host] If there's a throwback to the legendary mob busters
like Eliot Ness in the 1930s,
it's probably Rudolph Giuliani.
Though he doesn't tote a shotgun
as Ness did in the Al Capone era,
Mr. Giuliani has become
a high profile white-hatted gangbuster
in an age when the public yearns for someone to prove
that crime doesn't pay.
Mr. Rudolph Giuliani.
[audience applauding]
Thank you very much.
It's nice of all of yous to be here.
[audience laughs]
[epic music playing]
♪ He fights the criminals, la la la la la ♪
♪ He knows the path between right and wrong ♪
♪ Whichever side he's on, la la la la la ♪
♪ It's always the righteous one ♪
♪ Straight and strong
[Kirtzman] He created this template
of US Attorney as rock star
that hadn't ever existed before.
[vocalizing]
♪ He's perfect
♪ He is perfect
He had made no secret of the fact
that his goal was really politics.
So, I don't think
that the fame as US Attorney changed him.
I think it was more, like,
there was always kind of a grand plan
in Rudy Giuliani's mind.
[Giuliani] In the spirit of Laguardia,
I announced my candidacy for mayor of the city of New York.
[audience applauding]
♪ He is a hero
[indistinct lyrics]
♪ Because he's been only perfect ♪
♪ Perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect ♪
[audience applauding]
[sighs] So what are we talking about, Afghanistan?
[laughs]
I've often described him as a guy's guy.
He was a fun guy to hang out with
and he laughed at all my jokes, so-- so I loved him.
Wow, that was good.
[Frydman] And he really wanted to win,
so it was my good fortune to work on his campaign.
The election in 1989
between Rudy Giuliani and David Dinkins
was absolutely fascinating,
-[reporter] Mr. Giuliani-- -He has violated--
I don't-- I don't refer to that as a violation--
We don't want to get into too much back and forth here.
If this is your concept of fairness, Channel Five,
I gotta tell you, it's not mine.
Mr. Giuliani is behaving
like the desperate fellow that he is.
[woman] Hello, how are you?
We're campaigning for Rudy Giuliani for mayor.
Hi, how are you doing?
Come say a quick hi to Rudy Giuliani.
[Kirtzman] The guy had never been a politician,
had never run for office before,
and it turned out
was not particularly comfortable with people
and came off as stiff and a little kind of gloomy.
We're sorry for a little bit
of a mix-up there at the beginning,
but I think you'll agree that everything worked out fine.
All right. We are-- we are--
I think we both had about the same time as you.
[Giuliani] No, I don't think we did, but that's--
Well, it's-- it's up to the voters now.
Giuliani went after him in a very vicious way
and didn't do his reputation any good and he lost.
[audience applauding]
[Dinkins] Today I stand here before you
as the elected leader
of the greatest city of a great nation.
It is a tribute to you, the people of New York.
[Frydman] You learn much more from your defeats
than your victories
and Rudy was determined to avenge his loss.
[Giuliani] This city has too much crime,
this city is too dangerous.
The present mayor runs away from that,
it's statistics he doesn't understand.
[Kirtzman] I went out to breakfast with Rudy
and he kind of just laid out his rationale
for why he would win in '93
when he had lost in '89.
So let's start by electing--
[Kirtzman] It was clear that the guy had studied
and had done his homework
and he was also better on the campaign trail.
Thank you very, very much.
[Kirtzman] But everything in New York City
at the time revolved around race.
And you know, Dinkins, as the first Black mayor,
just encountered
one excruciating racial problem after another.
And here's Giuliani
who's kind of playing the good guy.
In the campaign for mayor,
there was this, uh, ability
to look past anything
that David Dinkins had accomplished
and just talk about this perception that...
Dinkins had maybe lost control of his city.
[siren wailing]
There'd been this riot in Crown Heights.
We've got to increase the peace.
Increase the peace.
[Giuliani] He has got an entire Police Department
that doesn't want to follow him.
They're at a point in which they believe
that he is being irresponsible with their lives.
In every issue this mayor is anti-police.
[Frydman] Dinkins had an ineffectual management
of the Police Department...
and some say that he-- he favored
the African American community...
but the police force at the time
was primarily white.
[Edozien] There was some resentment
to Mayor Dinkins and what he was doing
and Giuliani felt
that this was an opportunity to be exploited.
I understand the-- the frustration.
[chanting] He must go, he must go,
he must go, he must go,
[Frydman] It was a rally at City Hall...
of 10,000 off-duty police...
who were unhappy with Dinkins'
running of the Police Department.
Assembled in City Hall.
[indistinct]
When we showed up...
10,000 guys were screaming Rudy...
and I thought...
"That's pretty cool."
Rudy Giuliani came down the streets.
[all applauding]
-[chanting] Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. -Thank you.
But you do realize in retrospect that...
best laid plans sometimes go awry.
The mayor doesn't know why the morale
of the New York City Police Department is so low.
The reason the morale of the Police Department
of the City of New York is so low
is one reason and one reason alone.
David Dinkins!
Bullshit!
[all applauding]
He-- he yelled bullshit, he did yell bullshit,
which did provoke the crowd to yell louder.
[inaudible yelling]
[Dietl] The police officers surrounded City Hall.
[Kirtzman] Many of them had been drinking...
and it was one of these things that kind of turned,
you know, democracy upside down
where the people who were charged with enforcing the law
were breaking the law
and doing it with total impunity.
[chanting] Dinkins must go, Dinkins must go.
[McCall] There was definitely
a racial overtone to all of this.
The fact that Mayor Dinkins
was the first African American mayor of the city,
no other mayor had been treated this way,
but to see some group of drunken police officers
assault City Hall,
making terrible racist comments about Dinkins.
[Dinkins] Some of them out there
who were calling out nigger, for instance,
why-- why would the people of our communities
have confidence that they have the capacity
to handle a tense situation in a minority community?
[McCall] It was really a complete breakdown of respect
for an office and for individuals.
And Rudy Giuliani was a major participant in that.
This was a time when we expected people
to come forward and say,
"Let's try to overcome these conflicts."
Instead, Rudy was trying to exploit these racial tensions
to advance his political fortunes.
[chanting] Dinkins must go, Dinkins must go.
It was clear to people that this was the beginning
of a very, uh, dark era in the city.
[Kirtzman] In the '90s New York City was such a disaster.
You're talking about 2,000 murders per year,
it was crazy.
And then there was a sense of menace on the street.
There are people urinating on your step.
There were people sleeping on the subway cars.
There is graffiti.
I think it's the most disgusting thing
that New York City has.
[man] There's just a general and pervasive
lack of consideration for other people.
People were waiting for somebody,
with all respect to our-- our mayor--
our mayor prior to Rudy,
uh, what was his name?
Uh, with all respect to Mayor Dinkins,
crime was surging
and people were longing for someone
to get us out of the abyss
and Rudy was perfect timing
for a perfect crusader.
Mayor elected of the city of New York,
Rudy Giuliani!
[audience applauding]
[Giuliani] If you look at our people,
they're all saying the same thing.
Please help us reduce crime.
Please.
Rudy presented proposals
that I think caught the imagination of-- of people.
His quality of life proposal, his crime proposals.
He saw a broken city and he felt that he...
could fix it.
I mean, he had that sense of--
of certitude and he-- and he was right.
[Giuliani] The era of fear has had a long enough reign.
Look anew at Broadway, the opera,
the ballet, the museums
as powerful magnets
drawing people and commerce to our city.
It should be so.
And it will be so.
It should be so and it will be so.
[audience applauding]
I'll place a much greater emphasis
on stricter enforcement of the law.
Now, we will instead have greater expectations
for the behavior of our people.
[Kirtzman] There was a lot in that speech
and harbingers of a lot that was to come.
I mean, in one sense,
there was a hopefulness about it.
On the other hand, there's this glimpse
of the authoritarian that he would become.
The, you know, "I declare
a new day in the history of New York."
May God bless each one of us
as we prepare to give our children
a stronger and a healthier city.
It should be so.
[both] And it will be so.
Thank you.
[audience applauding]
[reporter] [indistinct]
Don't even bother me with your crap of this campaign.
This Police Department is independent of it.
You've got a law and order campaign guy
and he's attacking the Police Department.
Where the hell do you get off
attacking this Police Department?
[reporter] We're asking for an investigation--
You're not gonna get it, go ask someplace else.
-[man] I, William Bratton... -I, William Bratton...
Solemnly swear...
[Kirtzman] It's not hard to understand
why Giuliani liked Bill Bratton.
He wasn't going to take any crap.
If they're as hardworking as they claim they are,
there are a lot of jobs out there.
Get off the drugs, get off the booze,
get off their ass, and get out and work.
[Kirtzman] Giuliani and Bratton were on the same page
that police weren't there just to handle crime.
They were there to reduce crime.
And that was a sea change.
[Bratton] What we brought to New York in the 1990s
was an embrace of broken windows policing.
Broken windows is the idea
that if you don't take care of little things,
such as drug dealers on the corner,
gangs on the corner, aggressive begging, graffiti,
they will fester and grow
and create a climate where worse things can happen,
such as the murders, rapes, and robberies.
Giuliani embraced that. He empowered it.
He authorized it and it worked.
Crime went down by about 40% within three years.
[Giuliani] The single biggest stereotype
is being the most dangerous city in America.
We're not even in the top 50 any longer.
We're going to be, I believe,
just about the safest place in the United States to be
and we can invite a lot more people
to come here and spend money.
[Frydman] Given where the city was,
his first term arguably was the most significant
in the history of New York City.
But once you become Mayor...
you own the candy store, you know,
there are 3-400,000 people that work for you.
You know, and only one gets elected,
everybody gets appointed.
So who do you think gets appointed?
Loyalists and friends.
[classical music playing]
[Kirtzman] When he was a prosecutor,
patronage was considered, you know,
up there with, you know, murder.
Fast-forward to his mayoralty and he's just putting,
you know, hacks and cronies on the payroll left and right.
The people around him
became known as the "Yes Rudy's."
I probably was drawn in myself.
Other people who had been with him his whole career, though,
they were dependent on him.
And that was the cult of Rudy.
He would take whomever at the time
was the closest body type to him to shop.
And then he would hold the shirt up...
to you like you were a human mannequin,
the jacket, and the tie like you were--
and he would mutter, "I think that's a good tie,
maybe I should change the tie,"
like you weren't human, you were a mannequin.
It was very disturbing.
[audience applauding]
[reporter] Now you told me that when you met Donna,
you knew instantly that this was it.
[Giuliani] I used to have, like, a checklist with women
that I was going out with
and with Donna, she kept passing all the tests.
I mean, it was incredible.
It makes your life really terrific
because you have something more important than you
to live for, you know, the person that you're with.
You know, I don't have any specific examples
of secrets kept with the exception of...
extramarital affairs.
[Kirtzman] Cristyne Lategano was the press secretary,
a young person in her twenties.
We get 100 calls yet?
[reporter] Do you know Rudy Giuliani?
Uh, well, yes, I do know him pretty well,
but Italian husbands don't like to tell their wives
too much about their business.
It's very hard to juggle one mistress and a wife,
let alone two mistresses and a wife and so on.
But he-- he dug it.
Did you have any sort of personal affair
with him at any point in time?
I'm not gonna entertain any questions like that.
It's untrue, it's false,
and there's nothing more that I can really say about it.
It made him feel important and wanted and fought over.
Okay, he liked being fought over.
He liked pitting people against each other.
It's twisted.
It's one of those perverse characteristics
you see in politicians very often.
Um, Cuomo has it also.
[Kirtzman] Donna Hanover learned
that he was divorcing her from watching television.
It's, uh, been a-- a very painful road...
and we should try to work out a separation agreement.
I had hoped to keep this marriage together.
For several years, it was difficult
to participate in Rudy's public life
because of his relationship with one staff member.
The other thing people talked about
was like the way he divorced his first wife,
which he actually got an annulment
because he claimed that he didn't know
she was his second cousin.
[laughs]
I told him I was getting married
and he asked me if I was gonna have a goomar...
you know, a mistress.
And I said, "I wasn't planning on having a goomar."
He said, "Well, you know, it's a tradition in my family,
my father and my grandfather had a goomar."
And I thought--
I said, "Well, I'm not-- I'm not, I'm getting married
and I don't plan on cheating on my wife."
I didn't say that, but that was
what I-- what I hoped to convey.
But he said it so casually...
that I thought, "I guess he doesn't really respect
the vow of-- of marriage."
Cheating on his wives as a good Catholic,
you know, as a guy
who almost thought about becoming a priest,
that would certainly be a-- an immense contradiction.
[Kirtzman] Giuliani saw everything in terms of morality
and yet he defined it basically according to
what was convenient for him.
I mean, there was a moment
when he was campaigning for the right
to display the ten commandments in schools
and meanwhile he was cheating on his wife.
And this is a person
who could basically convince himself into anything
and believe that whatever he was doing,
that he was in the right.
[Lee] The true sign of a healthy individual
is someone who can have doubts about oneself.
So if one can have a moment of questioning
whether or not one is moral,
then that is actually a sign of greater health
and greater capabilities
than someone who is incapable of having those doubts.
In fact, the incapacity to have those doubts
is a very concerning sign.
Let me ask you about image.
-Uh... -[both laughing]
There is this.
This is a guy who's gotten things done.
This is somebody who's made a difference.
This is a man who's changed the quality of life.
This is a man who is an autocrat.
He worries us,
thinks he knows the right way
and brooks no criticism of doing it his way.
Doesn't sound like-- doesn't sound like me.
-[laughs] -[reporter] Yes, it does.
[McClay] This idea of, "We ought to be grateful
for the good things that happened under Rudy's watch
and forget about the rest,"
I think you have to see the whole picture.
[Edozien] Economically for a lot of people
New York did get better under Giuliani,
but it didn't get better for everybody.
If you lived in Manhattan
and Times Square is your thing, awesome.
He got us Disney, he got us this company,
he got us-- all that stuff that happened
because he cleaned up Times Square.
Well, if you live in Brooklyn...
where's your Time Square?
It gets better for certain people, not for all people.
It gets better for people, I guess, that has money.
People that don't have money, it don't get better for you.
Because it's only cops in certain neighborhoods
that take care of, you know, certain neighborhoods.
You-- you just be walking down--
down the street and they just-- they just look at you
and just follow you for a minute.
[man] Stop you. You know why?
This right here.
Brown.
[Edozien] It comes down to the policies
of your administration
and it is not even a debate
that under the eight years of Rudy Giuliani
that Black people didn't feel safe here.
[reporter] Go out, talk to any ten Black people in this town
and say, "Have you ever been stopped by a cop?"
Eight out of ten, nine out of ten will say yes.
Do the same thing with ten white people,
if you find one it'll be a surprise.
Well, I-- I don't know
if those numbers would be quite right.
I've been stopped by cops.
[reporter] This is-- this is not a-- this is not a--
clearly not a scientific test.
I was-- I was stopped by-- I was stopped by cops
in the era in which crime was very, very high
in the city, so.
Well, then you would be the one out of ten.
[Frydman] He was adamant that as the numbers
were starting to go down of arrests
that he wanted more arrests.
He really felt, uh, incorrectly that
that was the key to dealing with the problem.
It was the key to a certain point,
but then as you were beginning to-- the patient gets better,
then it required less medicine, less arrests, less summonses.
Giuliani had a hard time understanding that concept.
The Street Crime Unit, which had been so successful,
he expanded it to 400 officers.
Bad move,
because the 400 officers
were not as highly trained or skilled as the 100.
And what did we have?
We had the Diallo incident.
[gunshots popping]
[Sharpton] Amadou Diallo was a young man from Guinea
who came to the United States to get an education.
One night he comes home in the Bronx
and he takes his key out in the vestibule.
There was this undercover operation
that decided he was up to no good.
They rushed in and they say they thought
the key was a gun
and they shot at him 41 times.
Unarmed.
When he had his key and his wallet,
only in his hand, 41 times, hit him 19 times.
[gunshots popping]
[McClay] The Amadou Diallo killing
was one of the greatest tragedies
that I've ever experienced.
It put me as a Black man
in a position
where for the first time in my life
I really felt that being Black meant that I--
my life was at risk.
I want justice.
Four people jump out of cars for one man?
One man, one human being?
Not that.
My heart is-- my heart-- my heart is open.
[McCall] There was this impression
within the Black community
that the police were free to do certain things
because they had Rudy's support.
Listen, he supported them when they rioted at City Hall,
so a police officer would have to feel
that "Rudy's with us, no matter what we do."
It would be very unfair to jump from this incident
to accuse the entire Police Department
and to take away from the credit they deserve
for being just about the most restrained
Police Department in the country.
[Edozien] Didn't have empathy.
And when you have zero empathy for people,
then you're quite prone to victim blaming.
And City Hall at the time tried to spin that
that he was this abject immigrant,
that he must have done something.
After all, what kind of papers did he have?
After all, he's selling hats and gloves on 14th Street.
Did that take away his humanity?
Did that mean he deserved to be killed?
That was...
the vibes you got from...
his mayoralty
and it seeped down from the top
into everything else that people did.
We want to know what happened.
[McCall] We started marching.
We're doing these daily Civil Disobedience.
Dave Dinkins says, "Al," I said, "Yeah?"
He said, "Buddy, Charlie Rangel says
he's going with you tomorrow."
I said, "Charlie Rangel did say that."
He says, "Ten o'clock?" I said, "Yeah."
He says, "I'll see you there."
They got on their knees
in front of the precinct...
and then it hit me.
If Giuliani was smart,
he would not arrest his predecessor,
the former Mayor for Civil Disobedience on this.
I can figure out
when politicians are doing publicity stunts
and you can, too.
The purpose of this is to get all of those cameras
so that you can get attention for yourself.
[McCall] One of the officers walked over to Mayor Dinkins
and said, Mr. Mayor, we don't want to embarrass you.
We will take you out through the building
and you go through the basement
and we'll put you in the police van there.
And Dave Dinkins looked, he says,
"I'm going out with Al."
[indistinct chanting]
We went from 50-60 arrests to 2-300.
It was so many people coming every day to go to jail.
My mentor, even Jesse Jackson flew in.
Susan Sarandon, you name it.
I think I have a moral obligation
to make this statement today
in the hope that it will bring about
reconciliation and healing,
which is so badly needed in this city.
Because I felt so strongly about it,
I was arrested, I went to jail
along with a lot of other people.
Giuliani was just tone deaf about this.
In fact, was he just resisted any attempt
to try to bring about some healing in the city.
He just wouldn't do that.
In the same way as you can be prejudiced
against a person of another religion,
race, or ethnic background,
you can be prejudiced against the police
and you can immediately blame them...
for things that you don't want to deal with in yourself.
[McClay] In the middle of all this now,
Giuliani still refused
to meet with Black leadership.
Nothing but venom, nothing but attacking us.
Wouldn't meet, wouldn't talk to anybody.
Finally, there was just so much pressure
that he should meet.
So, he invited me to Gracie Mansion.
The look in his eyes was, "Let's get this over with."
I don't expect anything out of this.
You know, you're just like all the rest of them.
"You should appreciate what the police are doing
and what I'm doing for you."
It was a joke.
Does Rudy Giuliani in his heart of hearts hate Blacks?
I don't know, I can't get in his heart.
But the fact that he has no hesitation
about using racist tactics.
If you're comfortable with that,
isn't that, uh, racist in and of itself?
So whether you are a believing racist
or you're practicing racism...
I don't know if there's a real difference.
[Eolis] Increasingly, in his last term,
that level of ruthlessness
affected the way the public saw what he was doing...
which is why, I think,
he was looked upon as having less power
than he thought he had anymore.
And he believed that he was threatened
with becoming a has-been.
[road din]
[water splashing]
[birds chirping]
[car horn honks]
[inaudible dialogue]
[airplane whooshes]
[explosion]
[tense music playing]
[Giuliani] One of my detectives came over to me and said,
"A twin engine plane
has crashed into one of the Towers.
And I said, "Well, we gotta head right down."
[indistinct chattering]
Put your mask on. Put your mask on.
-Put your mask on. -Don't breathe the air.
[reporter] Mr. Mayor, what's the situation right now?
The situation is that two airplanes
have attacked, apparently--
-[indistinct] -What?
[indistinct]
All right, well, let's get--
then let's go north then.
[reporter] Do you know specifically
what happened to the airplanes?
Come with us, come with us.
Well, let's talk a little later, okay?
[reporter] Okay.
[explosion]
[building crashes]
[screaming]
[Giuliani] I realized that we were into something much worse
than we'd ever experienced before.
And then I saw a man jump from the 102nd floor.
[melancholic music playing]
I don't...
I keep wondering
how you absorb an experience like that,
you know, what does it-- what does it do to you
and how does it affect you?
You should remain where you are,
you shouldn't panic, you shouldn't worry.
We're doing the best that we can to evacuate
Southern Manhattan, the whole Canal Street.
When you look back on it, you keep thinking--
you-- you keep thinking,
"Well, maybe it really didn't happen."
You keep wishing it away.
[Von Essen] September 11th.
It was the worst thing
that ever happened to me in my life, you know?
And yet I am so glad it was me.
Like, I feel that
there was never anybody in the department
that cared as much for the guys as I did.
We've got over 300 people that are missing,
that, uh, we can't account for.
[reporter] How do you feel about that?
[Van Essen] How do I feel about it?
I don't know what to say, I...
the best people in this department,
I can't find anybody from five rescues and seven squads
and it's just a--
it's a devastating thing and I don't know, uh...
well, the fire department will-- will recover,
but I don't know how.
As hard as he was,
I always saw a sense of compassion and empathy
from Giuliani...
which is evident
at every funeral that we went to.
Sometimes there were three or four in a day.
[priest] Yea, though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of death I will fear no evil.
There was a sincere effort
to show as much respect as possible
for all of the firefighters and police officers
who made the sacrifice that day.
[inaudible]
[Giuliani] The fire is still burning...
but from it has emerged a stronger spirit,
a more unified country, and a more unified world.
I realized that everything I said,
everything I did
would be not only watched carefully,
but would set a tone for other people.
[man] Thanks for all you're doing.
[Kirtzman] I mean, you can't tell me that
this was just kind of an act.
It wasn't an act.
You know, Giuliani had a heart,
it was kind of like a father figure
had appeared in the middle of this terrifying moment
to say, "I've got this, everything is gonna be fine."
And that made an impression upon people
that lasted his entire life.
-How are you? -[woman] Good work, son.
Thank you. Good work. Good work for you. Good work.
[Oprah] He's the man of the hour,
a man whose extraordinary grace under pressure
in the days since this devastating attack
has led him to be called America's Mayor.
He's the Mayor of New York City.
Ladies and gentlemen, Rudy Giuliani.
[audience applauding]
[Giuliani] Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
[Kirtzman] After September 11th,
his popularity rose past 80%.
Welcome to New York City, the capital of the world.
[Kirtzman] It was Rudy Giuliani,
the savior of America.
I mean, he was the personification
of leadership and good.
Every sin he had ever committed
in people's eyes was vanquished.
God bless you, Rudy.
I now invite the honorable Rudy Giuliani
to take the floor.
[Kirtzman] I've never seen anything like it.
I mean, he got to speak before the general assembly
of the United Nations like a Head of State.
You have become a role model for leadership.
[Kirtzman] There was not an accolade or an award
that was not bestowed upon Rudy Giuliani.
It was a necessary trip for every President,
Prime Minister of every major country
to pay homage to Rudy Giuliani.
Mayor, hero.
Which is a French expression
equivalent to Rudy the Rock.
[Kirtzman] He was knighted by the queen of England.
[Giuliani] If I go back to Brooklyn,
something like this will happen.
"Hey...
what's this 'sir' stuff?
What are you, some kind of big shot?"
[Kirtzman] It definitely went to his head.
He felt he was the only one
who can get New York through this crisis
and came up with this absolute ludicrous scheme
to extend his term by three months.
And as the mayor...
who helped get us through this,
I think that's the wisest thing to do
and the most apolitical thing to do.
[Kirtzman] It quickly fell apart,
but history will remember that
as an egregious power play.
So when his mayoralty ends...
God bless New York and God bless America.
[Kirtzman] With his new fame and respectability,
Giuliani faced a choice.
♪ Will he go high?
♪ Will he go low?
♪ Will he go high?
♪ Will he go low?
He could have, you know, joined the Bush administration.
♪ Will he go high?
♪ Will he go low?
♪ Will he go high?
♪ Will he go low?
He could have run a foundation.
♪ Will he go high?
♪ Will he go low?
♪ Will he go high or low?
There are offices he could have run for.
♪ Will he go high?
♪ Will he go low?
♪ Will he go high?
♪ Will he go low?
♪ Will he go high?
♪ Will he go low?
♪ Will he go high?
He clearly decided to cash in.
[cash register dings]
One of Giuliani's first clients was Purdue Pharma.
As, you know, an increasing number of Americans
are getting hooked on OxyContin.
There was this extraordinary case against Purdue
because they were marketing to every doctor in America,
which was causing the rise in popularity of this drug
and they were looking like a real villain
and, you know, who better to represent them
than America's Mayor?
This should be available to people so that they can--
they can have not just a life, but a quality of life.
[Kirtzman] He negotiates a deal
where upholding company Purdue Pharma pleads guilty.
So Perdu Pharma can go off
and, you know, sell OxyContin
for, you know, their heart's content.
[reporter] Do you know how much the Sackler family
has made off the sale of OxyContin?
I don't know.
[reporter] Fair to say it's over a billion dollars?
It would be fair to say that, yes.
[Kirtzman] He also makes a deal
where these indicted Purdue executives avoid jail time.
You know, he beat back an effort by the government
that would have stopped the problem in its tracks
a long time ago.
[Frydman] When people are throwing money at you,
unless you have an unimpeachable character,
eventually you're going to-- you're going to say yes.
[Giuliani] We were attacked because we're a country
that symbolizes freedom.
[Frydman] You know, $100,000
to give the same speech about his tales
of derring-do on 9/11
and where there's 100,000, there's-- there's 200
and where there's 200, there's half a million.
[Eolis] When he married his third wife,
he began a really new life.
There were changes.
He fell into thinking
that money is a way of keeping score
as to how successful you are.
[cash register dings]
[Giuliani] I started Giuliani Partners
when I left being mayor
and we give advice to companies and to governments
about how to deal with security from terrorism
and how to deal with crime.
[Frydman] He and Bernie Kerik
flew down to Mexico City
and they looked around and they said,
"You're right, you got a violent crime problem here.
Check please."
[coins jingling]
They got $4 million dollars
for telling them what they already know.
Gotta select police officers that can be trusted.
[coins jingling]
Set up a list of the police officers you can trust.
[coins jingling]
And you can fix the system
if you have the political will to do it.
[coins jingling]
You have to have the political will to do it.
[coins jingling]
[Frydman] They didn't help solve many problems
that they got hired to solve,
but people kept throwing money at them.
Suddenly he's flying private jets,
buying houses in the Hamptons,
and then houses in Palm Beach.
How many houses do you need in Palm Beach?
Two, really? You need two?
And hundreds of thousands of dollars of cigars every year?
Now this guy didn't smoke when I met him,
he didn't drink and he didn't smoke.
[Eolis] It led to his believing
there wasn't anything that he couldn't do...
and I think it led to him deciding
that he should run for President.
[host] Mayor Giuliani, this question to you
comes from St. Petersburg.
Your immigration plan calls for all immigrants
to learn English to gain citizenship,
so why is your campaign airing an ad in Spanish?
[Giuliani laughs]
[Kirtzman] Rudy Giuliani's campaign for President
ended up as a catastrophe.
He just kind of misunderstood
what the public wanted to hear at that time.
Dealing with the possibility of a terrorist attack
or a natural disaster lies in the preparation
that-- that you have at a local level.
[Kirtzman] He was still the Rudy Giuliani of 9/11
when the country had kind of moved on.
[indistinct]
Thank you, God bless you!
[Kirtzman] And decided,
"I'm not even gonna run the early contest,
I'm gonna wait until Florida."
Well, it was a catastrophic decision
because by the time the Florida primaries came along,
John McCain was the undisputed frontrunner
and Giuliani was just roadkill by that time.
[woman] I think it's wonderful
that Giuliani has dropped out of the race
because he would not make a good President
because I don't believe he made a good Mayor.
Rudy who?
Um, first of all, I never liked Rudy Giuliani.
I never-- never trusted him and I don't...
find his politics appealing
and I'm glad he's gone.
[Kirtzman] The problem wasn't just that he had lost a race.
It's that his 9/11 halo was completely shattered.
He's no longer the most famous,
beloved person in the world anymore.
He was just another failed politician
without a political future.
And that was devastating for him.
Business dries up at Giuliani Partners.
I mean, everything goes wrong for him.
The question is, what do you do
when you're the most beloved person on the planet
and then you're not?
[inaudible dialogue]
His money-making vehicle was to go advise
this creepy roster of foreign dictators and politicians.
He dealt with companies in Russia,
he dealt in Ukraine,
he dealt in Venezuela
and, you know, he became, I think
probably in his mind this kind of world statesman.
[audience applauding]
One incident involved Serbia.
He appears on this kind of David Letterman Show.
[host] [indistinct] so thank you.
Uh, it's a big honor for me to have it here in my show.
What are the reasons of your visit to Belgrade?
We're here to give advice to Mr. Vucic,
who is running-- running for mayor
about economic development.
[Kirtzman] So Mr. Vucic
is running for mayor of Belgrade.
Vucic also happened to work for Slobodon Milosevic,
who was the Butcher of Belgrade...
responsible for the massacre
of, you know, tens of thousands of people.
[host] There was a lot of speculations,
how much money did you get
and are you supporting him directly
or you're just advising him?
We're not involved in the election.
We're not-- we're not making an endorsement election.
I don't know enough about the election to do that.
We're just here to advise him, give our advice.
[Kirtzman] Giuliani is kind of pretending
that he's just giving security advice,
but the reason they brought him in was the reason
that every dictator brought Rudy Giuliani in,
which is that he was Rudy Giuliani
and he could give them kind of a veneer of respectability
and some of these guys were on the terrorist list.
He had compromised
his statesman's image so completely
he was considered untouchable even by moderate Republicans.
But you know, in his head,
"How do I become relevant again?
How do I become beloved?"
[helicopter whirring]
[epic music playing]
[Trump] Thank you very much. [indistinct]
Man, what a crowd!
What a crowd.
Yesterday, I outlined a detailed list of solutions
to bring prosperity to our economy,
safety to our communities,
and honesty to our government.
And speaking of honesty.
Where is Mayor Rudy Giuliani? Where is he?
He's around here. Rudy!
[Kirtzman] Giuliani has a lot of history with Donald Trump.
They've always been on each other's wavelength
and leading up to the 2016 reach for President,
Giuliani becomes the biggest cheerleader in America
for Donald Trump.
Thank you very much.
It's wonderful to be here.
It's wonderful to see this crowd.
It's wonderful to know...
very, very soon
we're going to change the direction of America
and we're going to elect Donald J. Trump
President of the United States.
You tell him!
Tell all those-- tell all those...
[Nuzzi] There are a couple of original sins in Trump World
that you can go back to and kind of trace...
how everything ended up the way that ended up
in terms of people's relationships
and one of the most important events
was the weekend of the Access Hollywood tape.
[Trump] You know, I'm automatically attracted
to beautiful women, I just start kissing them.
-It's like a magnet. Just-- -[laughing]
I don't even wait.
And when you're a star, they let you do it.
-You can do anything. -[Giuliani] Whatever you want.
[Trump] Grab them by the pussy.
[Giuliani] I could do anything.
People started just fleeing the Trump campaign.
It is completely indefensible
and I won't defend it and haven't defended it.
[Chaffetz] I'm out.
I-- I can no longer, in good conscience,
uh, endorse this person for President.
Men say stupid things in the locker rooms.
I was a baseball player, a terrible football player,
but a good baseball player and now I play a lot of golf.
I hear a lot worse than that.
[Nuzzi] Rudy was one of the few people
who stuck his neck out for Trump and defended him.
I thought back in my life,
we talked about it privately,
I can't tell you that conversation...
and he admitted it and he said it's locker room talk,
which is what I think made it go away.
[Nuzzi] Maybe it was strategic for Rudy...
maybe he thought, "This is my moment to be next to this guy
and be the one in his ear."
And I guess it worked.
It is my high honor to introduce to you
the President Elect Donald Trump.
[audience applauding]
[Lee] When Donald Trump was elected to the Presidency,
I have often called him
a barometer of our state of collective mental health.
I started speaking up about what I saw
as dangerous mental impairment in Donald Trump
when he rose to the Presidency,
not because I was treating him as a patient
or interested in diagnosing him,
but because his psychology
would pose a danger to the public.
We predicted that
if such a personality takes hold of power,
then the dangers would spread
very much like an infectious disease.
Uh, narcissistic symbiosis
happens between a narcissistically wounded leader
and a similarly wounded population
and that they are magnetically attracted.
So by the time Rudy Giuliani aligned himself
with Donald Trump,
clearly he would become a collaborator and an enabler.
So it is a very worrisome situation.
How are you?
[reporter] Thank you for stopping here.
How are you?
[reporter] First of all, for our cameras
because a lot of people weren't on the call,
if you would just explain your new role, what the role--
I will, I will, in fact,
to be-- to be sure that I'm absolutely accurate,
I'll-- I'll get it out.
[Eolis] I think he really believed
that if he was instrumental
in getting, uh, Donald Trump elected President,
he would have to be given a role that he wanted,
which was the role of Secretary of State.
So basically I'll read-- I'll read you
a little bit of the press release.
"President Elect Trump is very pleased
to announce former mayor Rudy Giuliani
will be sharing his expertise and insight
as a trusted friend coordinating
private sector cybersecurity problems
and emerging solutions
developing in the private sector."
[Frydman] So he made him
cybersecurity czar without a portfolio.
What did that mean?
It meant nothing. You know what it meant?
It meant he traveled the world
and sold access to-- to the White House.
[Nuzzi] During that time, the Trump hotel lobby bar
was like this hub of diplomacy,
if you could call it that,
and criminal activity, definitely.
And everyone was there all the time.
It was like if Cheers was populated entirely
by everyone in the prison scenes in Goodfellas.
I remember sitting there, having a martini
and then turning and seeing Rudy emerge...
in a plume of cigar smoke.
He was just absolutely wasted.
He basically set up an office
in one of these whiskey tasting rooms.
Every meaningful event for the President
was either celebrated or mourned at that site.
It was like if they believed in a God,
it would have been their-- like, their place of worship.
[Kirtzman] Whenever I heard at the time
that Giuliani was going to be there for a short term,
you know, I laughed.
I thought, you know, "This guy is never going home,"
and that's exactly what happened.
I mean, once he was in, he was staying
and he became Trump's personal lawyer.
I have no expectations, all I do is give my advice.
Donald's been my friend for 28 years.
All of my work on behalf of him
has been out of great loyalty and friendship to him.
[Nuzzi] I think a lot of times Rudy was viewed
as, like, a useful idiot
for the White House's public needs.
When you tell me that, you know, he should testify
because he's gonna tell the truth and he shouldn't worry,
well, that's so silly
because it's somebody's version of the truth,
not the truth.
He didn't have a-- a conversation--
[interviewer] Truth is truth, I don't mean to go, like--
No, truth isn't truth, truth isn't truth.
[Nuzzi] And then he was also, like,
this pretty useful outlet for Trump
as one of the people in his outer orbit
who Trump could vent to.
What's your mission?
To disrupt the world.
[Nuzzi] But the flip side of that
is that Rudy had even crazier ideas than Trump had
and the two of them together could be pretty lethal.
[reporter] Do you think your legacy is being tarnished?
I'm doing my job as a lawyer.
I'm doing it as effectively as I can
and I'm very proud of that.
[reporter] For a person who's been a great mayor,
does that bother you?
That you still won't be remembered [indistinct]?
By the time the re-election campaign rolled around,
it was clear to Trump
that Joe Biden was going to be the Democratic candidate.
So Rudy was going out on a scavenger hunt
looking for dirt on Joe Biden...
and ended up in Ukraine.
We found information now, that reveals
30 years of criminality on the part of the Biden family
and particularly Joe Biden as the boss,
the top of the Biden family, in which, uh,
his office was sold over and over and over again
by his relatives for their benefit and for his.
Giuliani is doing business in Ukraine
among other foreign countries
and picks up a rumor that Joe Biden was involved
in some corruption in Ukraine.
The theory was that while Joe was Vice President,
and he took actions,
which benefited his son, Hunter Biden,
who was then on the board of a Ukrainian energy company.
Giuliani goes to Trump and he kind of feeds him
this conspiracy theory and Trump is like "I knew it."
They decided that they were going to pressure Ukraine
to announce an investigation into Joe Biden.
♪
[Kirtzman] Ukraine had just elected
a new President, Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Trump and Giuliani saw his inexperience
as an opportunity to be exploited
during a vulnerable time for the country.
[Novikov] Ukraine has been fighting
an active war with Russia since 2014.
Part of my country is under direct occupation
and has been annexed, uh, and part of my country
is, you know, a war zone.
[rapid gunfire]
We're a country constantly in peril.
Russia has significantly more military capabilities
both in Eastern Ukraine and surrounding Ukraine
than Ukraine has or ever will have.
[Novikov] A lot of our security comes from a partnership
with the United States to physically survive.
So, when Zelenskyy became president,
first thing Zelenskyy really needed from President Trump
was a symbol of support.
But we started realizing that something was wrong.
You know, President Trump's already made the decision
to freeze the military assistance.
They put our country immediately in direct danger
of being overrun by Russia.
[Nuzzi] Horrific things were happening
in that era in Ukraine.
[loud explosion]
And at the same time
Rudy was freelancing in Ukraine...
looking for proof of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden
with One America News Network.
[Reporter] In this special edition
of One American News Investigates,
our investigation takes us
thousands of miles to Eastern Europe.
For this mission, One American News brought
Rudy Giuliani.
If Fox News is not right enough
and Newsmax is not right enough,
then perhaps OANN will be your speed.
[reporter] Rudy Giuliani, together with One America News,
calls up top Ukrainian diplomats and officials
as witnesses to testify under oath
their side of the story.
[Novikov] I'll put it this way, uh, to all the people
that Rudy used as his fixers,
to all the people he associated himself with,
I can't name a single person
who's well-respected here in Ukraine.
[Giuliani] My role throughout, going back over a year
before I met you-- I wish I had met you earlier--
is to try to get the facts.
[Novikov] He was even working with Russian agents.
You know, he didn't care about the fact that,
you know, there wasn't anything to investigate,
but he still wanted that publicity.
We realized that the best way for us
to make sense of what was happening
between the White House and Ukraine
was to talk to Rudy.
[Volker] Okay, so we should have on the line here,
America's Mayor, Mayor Giuliani
and we have Andriy Yermak.
[Yermak] It's a great honor to me to speak with you.
[Giuliani] I'm very glad to talk to you.
I want to-- I want to assure you
that I want very much to see
that our two countries are able to work together.
Rudy was straight to the point from the word go.
He wanted us to commit to his conspiracies
in exchange for support from the U.S.
And even threats to President Zelenskyy,
implied threats.
That was, to me, that was just unheard of.
[Novikov] He acted as a mobster.
Reminded me of, you know,
an Italian crime boss from the movies.
You don't have any issue with a foreign power
investigating a political rival of the President?
I do if he didn't do anything,
but if he bribed the President of that country,
I have an issue if they don't investigate.
So the ends justify the means?
No.
The opposite way around.
It would be totally illegitimate not to investigate it.
Are you at all concerned about your future?
-Very-- oh, I'm so concerned. -Because you have been placed
as a central role in this?
[chuckling] No, I'm not concerned about my future.
Um, what I did is perfectly, um, lawful, perfectly legal.
I find it completely extraordinary
that you're spending all this time asking me about what I did.
I should be considered a whistleblower.
I should be getting whistleblower protection.
I actually found facts that are true.
Rudy put our country in serious danger.
He needs to face the consequences of that.
And I think the people of both our countries
need to be the judge of...
whether that was-- what he did was right.
Giuliani was doing something intensely immoral
in assailing Joe Biden as a crook.
And meanwhile he was, like,
acting like a crook himself.
House resolution 755.
Impeaching Donald John Trump,
President of the United States.
President Trump solicited the interference
of a foreign government, Ukraine,
in the 2020 United States Presidential election.
[Nuzzi] Rudy's fuck ups were monumental.
He's responsible for an impeachment.
Um.
You can't really fuck up much worse than that,
unless he accidentally, like,
hit the nuclear button or something.
[Rep. Adam Schiff] President Trump intentionally bypassed
many U.S. Government career officials
and advanced his scheme primarily
through the effort of his personal attorney,
Rudy Giuliani.
The quid pro quo is
we want you to do an investigation
of the Bidens, you know, the one,
the one the president's been calling for.
That's exactly the kind of domestic
corrupt political errand
that Rudy Giuliani was doing gratis,
without payment, at least not payment
apparently from the President.
So who's paying the freight for it?
I can tell you the whole country
is paying the freight for it.
[Nuzzi] I randomly asked him
if he was free for an interview.
And he said, "Where are you? I'll pick you up."
He had just gotten back from Ukraine
and like his luggage was in the trunk.
It was a totally pleasant experience except that he said,
like, some of the most horrendous shit
and confusing shit that I've ever heard in an interview.
For someone who is still very proud
to have prosecuted the mob,
one of the great ironies of the last few years
is that Rudy was, like, running around the world
with this gang of criminals.
-Hi, Moshe. -Moshe, how are you, baby?
-How you doing? -[laughter]
[Nuzzi] Lev Parnas is one of them.
And Igor Fruman...
-I can't wait to come back. -See you in Ukraine soon.
Lev Parnas, he had a company called Fraud Guarantee.
And when I asked Rudy, you know, like...
Fraud Guarantee, does that not raise an alarm?
Um.
I also said, they also just look like
criminals, like, I'm sorry, they do.
And he said, uh, "No, they just look like Miami people."
[spoke person] Last night, the FBI arrested Lev Parnas
and Igor Fruman on campaign finance related charges
as they attempted to leave the United States.
They had issues with the law, um,
and he was so dismissive of that
in a way that I found so at odds
with the Rudy Giuliani of yore,
who was going after anyone
who had ever taken a meeting with the mob, you know,
and now he's like, "Ah, you know,
if you get fined or you run
a foul of regulators, it happens."
So, you never met with the president, Lev Parnas,
at that Hanukkah party, you're saying you never--
Actually, actually, whi-- wha-- I-- what I did was
I introduced the two of them to the president--
[Nuzzi] It felt like, he's just out there
doing the most to get himself in trouble.
And it's working.
[crowd cheering]
Folks!
The people of this nation have spoken.
They've delivered us a clear victory.
We've won with the most votes in the history of the nation.
Tonight, We've seen...
[Kirtzman] So now, things are really hot, right?
So, election night comes and goes
and Giuliani makes his play to Trump
to go on a campaign to convince the American public
um, that Trump had actually won.
This isn't democracy.
And with that I want to pass it off to the great Rudy Giuliani.
[Kirtzman] The major kickoff to resurrect
Donald Trump's fortunes was a big press conference
he was going to hold at the Four Seasons in Pennsylvania.
But it turned out that the Four Seasons
was a landscaping company in the middle of nowhere.
[people shouting indistinctly]
...completely delusional. It is over!
[inaudible conversation]
[Nuzzi] I ended up spending six weeks
and I interviewed dozens of people
at laughably high levels of the government
to try and figure out why Rudy Giuliani
ended up at a landscaping company
across the street from a crematorium
and next to a porn shop, talking about voter fraud.
And I still don't know.
Wow, what a beautiful day. Thank you.
Thank you for coming.
So, I'm here on behalf of the--
on behalf of the Trump campaign
as an attorney for--
for the president
to describe to you...
the first part of a situation
that is extremely--
extremely troubling.
[Nuzzi] Rudy's grand theory of election fraud
was a maximalist approach.
Dead people were voting,
the actual voting machines were rigged.
Venezuela was involved. Ukraine was involved.
Just every conceivable conspiracy colliding at once.
I don't believe in conspiracies,
but I also don't believe in coincidence.
Gee, just about the 700,000 votes
that President Trump was ahead by two days ago...
disappeared.
I'm sure it's a fraud and this will be
a very, very strong case.
And I know-- I know you won't accept it
because of your hateful biases,
but let's see if you can try thinking rationally.
Trump was dying to hear someone tell him
what he wanted to hear,
which is that the election was fixed.
And fewer people around him were willing to tell him that.
And Mr. Mayor, it's gonna be a fantastic hearing today.
If we allow elections in the future
to be conducted the way this election was conducted...
we will have lost our Democracy,
our representative Democracy.
[applauding]
I know crooks really well.
You give them an inch and they take a mile.
And you give them a mile and they take your whole country.
[applauding]
[Trump] I want to thank Rudy Giuliani
for having the courage.
Rudy is the greatest mayor in the history of New York
and there's a reason.
He's got great courage.
This is going to be your crowning achievement
because you're saving our country.
Thank you.
[crowd cheering, applauding]
[crowd chanting] Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
I was shocked that he was that zealous...
that he would lie so conspicuously.
But that was to protect the pot of gold.
Rudy was disorganized. He was deluded.
He wanted something to be true that wasn't true.
There was a sloppiness to what he was doing.
Good afternoon.
And thank you very much for coming.
Uh, this is...
[Nuzzi] The sane lawyers had literally left already.
And then there were the crazy lawyers.
There were a lot more lawyers working on this,
but we're the-- I guess we're the, uh, senior lawyers.
[Kirtzman] You know, he went out
in appearance after appearance...
making a complete fool of himself.
The frustration of this is
what I'm describing to you is a massive fraud.
[Giuliani speaking inaudibly]
[Kirtzman] Listen, he knew if Trump lost
and Joe Biden won,
he was gonna have a very rough life.
So that's why he was so desperate for Trump to win.
To the extent that he would just lie about the results.
Just go out there and lie and say we won.
That's desperation.
[Nuzzi] When you're spending time with anyone
that you're profiling,
they're inevitably going to display
some human qualities
and some of them might be embarrassing.
Thank you.
[Nuzzi] I remember during an interview with Rudy...
when he speaks to you,
he would just fully turn and be looking,
like, as if he thought I was over there.
He was having a conversation with someone who was not there.
It's actually a bit unsettling.
And then at one point he began drooling...
and it was like streaming down,
like a-- like, a valley of, like, a wrinkle in his face.
It's one of those things that's like everyone talked about it.
Everyone talked about is Rudy okay
or what's going on with Rudy
or, you know, what's the matter with Rudy?
They'd have to get into his head to know.
[dramatic instrumental playing]
♪ Is he right? Is he wrong? ♪
♪ Did he string us all along?
♪ Could it be I'm no longer their savior? ♪
♪ Is his demise in the cause as he comes apart? ♪
♪ Will I be punished for my horrible behavior? ♪
[Kirtzman] If you asked me did Giuliani
actually believe this crap?
Um, I think probably he did after a while.
He could talk himself into anything
when it's in his best interest.
So, if that involved making up this nonsense,
then that's what he was going to do.
♪ He's not sure what to think
♪ 'Cause he made up this whole thing ♪
♪ I used to be America's Mayor ♪
There was this huge divide between Rudy, the spokesman
for fixing the rigged election
and Rudy, the lawyer.
Rudy the lawyer was not making most of the claims
that Rudy the spokesman was making.
It's not my job in a fast moving case to go out
and investigate every piece of evidence that is given to me.
Otherwise you're never going to write a story.
You never come to a conclusion.
When he got into a courtroom,
he had to become a lot more careful.
He didn't want to commit perjury and he knew
that he didn't have overwhelming proof
and it pissed off, you know, a legion of judges
who-- they're like, "Why are you wasting my time?"
This case is ridiculous.
♪ He's right
♪ Am I wrong to string everyone along? ♪
♪ He is right
♪ Am I wrong to string everyone along? ♪
♪ He is right
♪ Am I wrong to string everyone along? ♪
♪ He is right
[Kirtzman] The problem was that
a certain percentage of the American public
didn't care that what he was saying
was not actually the truth.
♪ Don't let them say that I am old and evil ♪
♪ 'Cause everything I do is perfectly legal ♪
♪ Perfect and legal
[announcer] Ladies and gentlemen,
please welcome America's Mayor,
Rudy Giuliani!
[crowd cheering]
[Giuliani] Hello, everyone!
♪ Legal
Every single thing that has been outlined
as the plan for today is perfectly legal.
[crowd cheering]
So...
it seems to me...
we don't want to find out three weeks from now...
even more proof
that this election was stolen, do we?
[crowd yelling]
So...
let's have trial by combat!
[crowd cheering]
[crowd chanting] Right for Trump!
[demonstrator] We're gonna storm the fucking Capitol.
Fuck you fuckers.
[Lee] There can be many reasons for lying,
but most relevant here is a fragile mental state
that makes one incapable of accepting reality.
This was the worst election in American history.
This election was stolen...
[crowd shouting]
...and it has to be vindicated to save our Republic.
[demonstrators shouting inaudibly]
[Lee] Bombarding a society with lies is a form of control.
It incapacitates the population from acting
because no one can tell
what is true and what is not true.
[indistinct shouting]
It divides the population between those
who buy into the lie and those who do not.
This is bigger than Donald Trump.
It's bigger than you and me.
It's about these monuments and what they stand for.
[indistinct shouting]
[Lee] The self-awareness that allows oneself to see
that something is wrong is what is compromised.
[inaudible shouting]
As this pathology continues to spread...
I'm afraid that we are at a loss to be able to help ourselves.
[Giuliani] They have invaded our freedom of speech,
freedom of religion,
our freedom to move, our freedom to live.
I'll be darned if they're going to take away
our free and fair vote!
And we're going to fight to the very end
to make sure that doesn't happen.
[demonstrator] He has a gun, he has a gun, he has a gun!
-[gunfire] -[demonstrator grunts]
[inaudible shouting]
[somber instrumental music]
[Trump] He just loves this country
and they raid his apartment.
It's, like, so unfair.
[Giuliani] These judges take action
without giving me a hearing.
[reporter] Do you still believe the election was a fraud?
What I'm telling you is, let's get beyond that.
If you want to say I said something irresponsible,
you gotta give me a chance to defend myself.
I'm under investigation for anything they can find.
They could look at your whole life.
I mean this-- this is ridiculous.
[Kirtzman] The man started his career as a hero.
Fast forward a half century later...
and look at Rudy Giuliani.
There's nothing left.
His reputation was destroyed.
Now, he could end up in jail...
all in the service of Donald Trump?
That's the tragedy of Rudy Giuliani.
He was willing to sell his soul...
for nothing.
[Giuliani] The most important thing to me
is what I think of myself and what my family thinks of me
in any decision that I make.
That's-- um, that's the way I define myself.
When I was growing up.
My father would say "You make a decision."
The most important thing is that you can shave the next morning
and look at yourself in the mirror
and feel good about yourself.
[eerie music]
[distorted audio]
[determined instrumental playing]
[male reporter] Rudy Giuliani is selling autographed
9/11 t-shirts for $911.
[female reporter] For 199 bucks, Rudy Giuliani
will send you a personalized video shoutout.
Or a greeting that I can bring to someone
that would bring happiness to their day.
I would be delighted to do it.
[man over microphone] Oh, my goodness, Rudy Giuliani!
Oh, my God!
With all of the controversy surrounding you right now,
I think it surprises us all
that you're here on the Masked Singer.
Me, too.
[anchor] Breaking news as war unfolds in Ukraine.
This morning, explosions and sirens
heard in and around Kiev.
[reporter] Joining me now, former personal attorney
for President Trump, Rudy Giuliani.
Putin played this almost like a symphony conductor.
[eerie instrumental music]
♪
[music fades]