1 00:00:01,135 --> 00:00:06,772 [buzzing] 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:06,841 --> 00:00:10,442 Growing up, I really thought that having kids would be 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 5 00:00:10,444 --> 00:00:13,378 The most important part of my life. 6 00:00:13,414 --> 00:00:15,247 But I don't think about things like that anymore 7 00:00:15,316 --> 00:00:17,582 Because I don't think that we live in a world where 8 00:00:17,618 --> 00:00:19,651 I can have expectations for my future. 9 00:00:19,787 --> 00:00:22,454 When I started to get really involved in climate activism 10 00:00:22,523 --> 00:00:24,556 Was when it started to really hit home for me. 11 00:00:24,625 --> 00:00:27,492 You can't have a booming fossil fuel economy... 12 00:00:27,561 --> 00:00:30,395 And safe and happy families. 13 00:00:30,398 --> 00:00:33,532 Those two things cannot exist simultaneously. 14 00:00:33,601 --> 00:00:35,867 ♪ 15 00:00:35,903 --> 00:00:38,470 We're driving through haldimand county. 16 00:00:38,472 --> 00:00:42,407 My mom used to work at what she calls the 'holy trinity'. 17 00:00:42,476 --> 00:00:46,612 So, that was an industrial park that had a coal-fired 18 00:00:46,614 --> 00:00:51,083 Power plant, a steel mill, and an oil refinery. 19 00:00:51,218 --> 00:00:53,818 So, the fire right up there, the flame, 20 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:56,288 It's supposed to burn off excess gas. 21 00:00:56,290 --> 00:01:01,993 When I was a kid, I could see it from my bedroom window. 22 00:01:02,063 --> 00:01:05,297 So, this bridge goes over these pipelines. 23 00:01:05,299 --> 00:01:07,699 In 2019, there was actually a diesel spill. 24 00:01:07,835 --> 00:01:10,835 ♪ 25 00:01:10,871 --> 00:01:14,940 We're just leaving selkirk, and their sign leaving town... 26 00:01:14,942 --> 00:01:16,741 Just here says, "natural gas our heritage, 27 00:01:16,777 --> 00:01:19,711 Children our future." 28 00:01:19,713 --> 00:01:22,381 And I think it's pretty ironic because 29 00:01:22,383 --> 00:01:23,715 I'm from this community, 30 00:01:23,784 --> 00:01:26,552 And I don't feel like I can have kids. 31 00:01:26,554 --> 00:01:27,986 And natural gas did that and 32 00:01:27,988 --> 00:01:29,855 Coal did that and oil did that. 33 00:01:29,924 --> 00:01:32,090 And those are all of the things that my parents and 34 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:34,259 My grandparents and all of us were told would 35 00:01:34,261 --> 00:01:36,394 Build a bright future for their children. 36 00:01:36,396 --> 00:01:38,530 And they didn't know that their children would then 37 00:01:38,566 --> 00:01:40,666 Have to be grappling with these questions of, 38 00:01:40,668 --> 00:01:42,667 Should I even have children? 39 00:01:42,703 --> 00:01:46,070 Can I even have children? 40 00:01:46,107 --> 00:01:49,141 And, now we're grappling with these questions. 41 00:01:49,210 --> 00:01:53,278 ♪ 42 00:02:01,589 --> 00:02:04,756 I'm a science communicator, mainly writing about 43 00:02:04,792 --> 00:02:09,294 Different things where science and ethics collide. 44 00:02:09,296 --> 00:02:13,231 I was feeling like there was, there was something emerging 45 00:02:13,267 --> 00:02:16,501 That I could feel within me and within friends, 46 00:02:16,537 --> 00:02:19,938 That we were connecting climate change 47 00:02:20,073 --> 00:02:24,242 To our future decisions. 48 00:02:24,311 --> 00:02:26,845 And whether or not that means that they should 49 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:29,314 Have kids and how many? 50 00:02:29,449 --> 00:02:31,916 Here we're talking about wildfires... 51 00:02:31,952 --> 00:02:36,454 Floods, drought, food security issues, 52 00:02:36,456 --> 00:02:41,326 Heat waves, things starting to fall apart. 53 00:02:41,395 --> 00:02:43,262 Just sizing that up and thinking about, okay, 54 00:02:43,397 --> 00:02:45,730 What does that really look like for a kid, 55 00:02:45,766 --> 00:02:47,232 Is a serious question. 56 00:02:47,234 --> 00:02:51,670 It's not just some kind of sci-fi horror scenario. 57 00:02:51,739 --> 00:02:53,905 It becomes an ethical question as to, you know, 58 00:02:53,974 --> 00:02:57,142 How comfortable you are subjecting a child to... 59 00:02:57,277 --> 00:03:01,146 The changes you can foresee. 60 00:03:01,281 --> 00:03:05,350 I'm in a young part of my marriage, 61 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:06,985 First few years of it. 62 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,323 And, we want to have kids, and we've talked about that. 63 00:03:11,458 --> 00:03:13,758 And considering what that really looks like, 64 00:03:13,827 --> 00:03:18,764 When you're following climate science, is unnerving. 65 00:03:18,899 --> 00:03:21,566 The first time I talked to sebastian about this was in 66 00:03:21,569 --> 00:03:23,368 The context of writing my next book. 67 00:03:23,503 --> 00:03:25,304 And it was inspired by the growing amount of young 68 00:03:25,439 --> 00:03:28,306 People who are saying they don't know if they feel 69 00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:31,309 Comfortable having a child because of climate change. 70 00:03:31,345 --> 00:03:32,877 We've been getting a lot of like, 71 00:03:32,947 --> 00:03:35,380 Questions about our personal decision to have kids. 72 00:03:35,416 --> 00:03:36,782 When people really want to know, 73 00:03:36,917 --> 00:03:38,316 I tell them the whole thing was like, 74 00:03:38,385 --> 00:03:40,252 "yeah, I had this fear, then I did all this work to try 75 00:03:40,254 --> 00:03:43,288 And figure it out, felt that I could close the case. 76 00:03:43,357 --> 00:03:46,491 But then it came back up again and took over my life." 77 00:03:46,493 --> 00:03:47,559 But, do you tell them about 78 00:03:47,628 --> 00:03:49,761 Whether we want to get pregnant or not? 79 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:51,496 Yeah, definitely, but the thing is that 80 00:03:51,498 --> 00:03:52,931 That's changed so much, right? 81 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,866 I mean, that, that has been this... 82 00:03:54,868 --> 00:03:57,602 Up and down. 83 00:03:57,605 --> 00:04:00,338 I've basically over the last year and a bit been 84 00:04:00,340 --> 00:04:02,808 Doing tons and tons of interviews with folks... 85 00:04:02,810 --> 00:04:05,877 And running workshops, where I kind of create these spaces 86 00:04:05,946 --> 00:04:09,014 That people can come together to unpack their feelings and 87 00:04:09,016 --> 00:04:10,682 Their ideas about climate change and how that 88 00:04:10,751 --> 00:04:13,551 Connects to their reproductive lives. 89 00:04:13,621 --> 00:04:17,022 And they're not at all to express a certain message, 90 00:04:17,157 --> 00:04:19,558 But they're just to create a space where we can better 91 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,495 Understand the different ways that people are feeling. 92 00:04:23,497 --> 00:04:27,699 The anxiety of taking care of a child that will not be able 93 00:04:27,834 --> 00:04:31,236 To enjoy the world as I'm enjoying it right now, 94 00:04:31,238 --> 00:04:33,138 Keeps me sleepless. 95 00:04:33,140 --> 00:04:36,541 It's an incredibly emotional experience to look at 96 00:04:36,543 --> 00:04:39,444 Everything that you hold dear sort of slipping through 97 00:04:39,579 --> 00:04:43,782 Your fingertips and feeling powerless to stop it. 98 00:04:43,917 --> 00:04:46,451 People are nerve-racked, people are feeling really, 99 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,853 Really stuck in their own decision-making around 100 00:04:48,889 --> 00:04:51,523 Whether or not they should have a child. 101 00:04:51,658 --> 00:04:56,294 I do not want to tell anyone what to do around this. 102 00:04:56,297 --> 00:04:58,196 No one has the right to tell me what 103 00:04:58,198 --> 00:05:02,234 I should do with this dilemma. 104 00:05:02,369 --> 00:05:04,268 Oh, there's tons of reasons to be scared about 105 00:05:04,305 --> 00:05:06,871 Having kids, regardless of climate change. 106 00:05:06,873 --> 00:05:10,175 ♪ 107 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:13,278 The two main reasons that people kind of align with 108 00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:15,613 Their concerns about having kids because of climate change 109 00:05:15,649 --> 00:05:19,951 Relate to what a new kid does to a planet 110 00:05:20,087 --> 00:05:21,953 That's already overburdened with 111 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:23,688 A variety of ecological problems. 112 00:05:23,691 --> 00:05:28,559 And what a changing planet does to a new kid. 113 00:05:28,595 --> 00:05:32,164 I find far more people are concerned with what a 114 00:05:32,166 --> 00:05:35,166 Warming world will do to a kid than that kind of 115 00:05:35,235 --> 00:05:37,935 Guilt factor related to carbon footprint. 116 00:05:41,475 --> 00:05:43,442 I grew up beside a coal power plant, 117 00:05:43,577 --> 00:05:46,311 Which was the highest polluter in canada. 118 00:05:46,446 --> 00:05:48,780 And I had horrible asthma. 119 00:05:48,915 --> 00:05:50,749 After seeing you know, the stress that my mom 120 00:05:50,751 --> 00:05:52,049 Went through dealing with that... 121 00:05:52,086 --> 00:05:55,253 The like long days at the hospital that I spent, 122 00:05:55,255 --> 00:05:59,057 I don't necessarily feel like... 123 00:05:59,059 --> 00:06:01,393 I want to put somebody else through that. 124 00:06:01,462 --> 00:06:04,228 I know from the research that I've done that 125 00:06:04,264 --> 00:06:08,933 In ten years, shit's going to be unwell. 126 00:06:08,969 --> 00:06:12,070 I would love to have kids. That's not the point. 127 00:06:12,072 --> 00:06:15,206 The point is that if I were to be pregnant in 2030, 128 00:06:15,242 --> 00:06:17,509 I don't know what would happen to me. 129 00:06:17,578 --> 00:06:20,612 Would I be able to safely carry a pregnancy to term? 130 00:06:20,614 --> 00:06:21,947 And if it wasn't a miscarriage, 131 00:06:22,082 --> 00:06:26,952 Would they be healthy moving into their childhood? 132 00:06:27,087 --> 00:06:30,588 And after that, would they be safe to live in a world 133 00:06:30,590 --> 00:06:33,425 Where there's climate catastrophe? 134 00:06:33,427 --> 00:06:36,961 So, I don't feel comfortable bringing children 135 00:06:36,997 --> 00:06:39,431 Into a world if I don't know how I can take care of them 136 00:06:39,566 --> 00:06:42,133 In that world because that's your main role as a parent. 137 00:06:44,838 --> 00:06:46,838 I have been at ted for the last four months. 138 00:06:46,973 --> 00:06:49,708 I'm doing a residency here, where they've been basically 139 00:06:49,710 --> 00:06:52,978 Hosting my research process for my book. 140 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:54,312 Morning... 141 00:06:54,314 --> 00:06:58,082 Hey. 142 00:06:58,152 --> 00:07:01,453 "for everything- considering everything..." okay... 143 00:07:01,455 --> 00:07:04,322 "for everything that's been said about climate change, 144 00:07:04,391 --> 00:07:06,324 We haven't talked enough about the psychological 145 00:07:06,393 --> 00:07:08,659 Impacts of living in a warming world." 146 00:07:08,695 --> 00:07:10,195 That's punchier. 147 00:07:10,197 --> 00:07:12,297 That was way punchier. 148 00:07:12,299 --> 00:07:15,267 So, the main point of my talk is to just generally 149 00:07:15,269 --> 00:07:18,870 Introduce the idea that climate change has 150 00:07:19,005 --> 00:07:21,306 Big psychological impacts on us. 151 00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:23,508 When there have been disasters, 152 00:07:23,577 --> 00:07:27,679 We see increased levels of ptsd, suicidality, 153 00:07:27,748 --> 00:07:31,349 Depression, anxiety. And then, 154 00:07:31,418 --> 00:07:34,418 Without being directly impacted by climate change, 155 00:07:34,555 --> 00:07:37,222 Dealing with all the un reports that come out. 156 00:07:37,291 --> 00:07:39,524 Anticipating what's gonna happen. 157 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:42,294 There are things like pre-traumatic stress and 158 00:07:42,429 --> 00:07:45,897 That's a term a climate psychiatrist gave us. 159 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:49,367 Another way of looking at it is anticipatory grief. 160 00:07:49,436 --> 00:07:52,571 There's ecological anxiety. 161 00:07:52,706 --> 00:07:55,307 I just keep meeting people who are saying, "okay, 162 00:07:55,442 --> 00:07:58,576 My kid is now telling me they don't want to apply to 163 00:07:58,612 --> 00:08:01,045 University, because they can't foresee a future for 164 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:04,148 Themselves because of climate change." 165 00:08:04,184 --> 00:08:07,118 "a political scientist once said to me that a leading 166 00:08:07,187 --> 00:08:09,120 Indicator that climate change is starting to 167 00:08:09,122 --> 00:08:11,589 Hit home psychologically... 168 00:08:11,658 --> 00:08:14,058 Would be an increase in the rate of informed women 169 00:08:14,127 --> 00:08:16,127 Deciding to not have children." 170 00:08:16,129 --> 00:08:19,130 Interesting. 171 00:08:19,132 --> 00:08:21,933 And this brings me back to my main point. 172 00:08:22,068 --> 00:08:24,068 The growing concern about having kids in the 173 00:08:24,104 --> 00:08:27,204 Climate crisis is an urgent indicator of how 174 00:08:27,241 --> 00:08:29,341 Hard-pressed people are feeling. 175 00:08:29,343 --> 00:08:31,676 Right now, students around the world are screaming 176 00:08:31,712 --> 00:08:34,546 For change through the piercing voice of despair. 177 00:08:34,548 --> 00:08:37,615 [cheering] 178 00:08:37,651 --> 00:08:41,119 In 2019, there was a lot of action happening in montreal, 179 00:08:41,188 --> 00:08:44,522 Across canada, and across the world on climate strikes, 180 00:08:44,525 --> 00:08:48,226 And really trying to make a bold push for climate action. 181 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:50,328 Some of the students who I was organizing with 182 00:08:50,397 --> 00:08:51,829 Had brought up the fact that 183 00:08:51,831 --> 00:08:53,832 We were scared of having children. 184 00:08:53,834 --> 00:08:56,801 And so the, "no future, no children" pledge was 185 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:58,970 Something that was started by one of my friends 186 00:08:58,972 --> 00:09:00,338 At climate strike canada. 187 00:09:00,407 --> 00:09:02,040 Emma worked on a website. 188 00:09:02,109 --> 00:09:04,108 And they launched this pledge, 189 00:09:04,144 --> 00:09:05,844 And they got a ton of people to sign it and 190 00:09:05,979 --> 00:09:07,512 They did press conferences. 191 00:09:07,647 --> 00:09:10,849 As a descendant of survivors of the holocaust, 192 00:09:10,851 --> 00:09:13,784 The idea that my children might again face the 193 00:09:13,820 --> 00:09:17,389 Worst of what humanity has to offer scares me 194 00:09:17,391 --> 00:09:19,291 More than anything else. 195 00:09:19,426 --> 00:09:21,860 An alarming statement from a young woman terrified 196 00:09:21,995 --> 00:09:24,261 About the consequences of climate change. 197 00:09:24,298 --> 00:09:26,865 18-year-old emma lim is starting a campaign and 198 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Pledge to not have children until leaders 199 00:09:29,469 --> 00:09:31,403 Take climate change seriously. 200 00:09:31,538 --> 00:09:33,872 I am giving up my dream of having a family because 201 00:09:34,007 --> 00:09:36,408 I will only have children if I know they have 202 00:09:36,543 --> 00:09:38,677 Something to live for. 203 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,013 So, can you tell me the story first of all of how you came 204 00:09:42,082 --> 00:09:45,016 To start the, "no future, no children" pledge? 205 00:09:45,151 --> 00:09:46,885 It was a combination of many things. 206 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:49,287 The sentiment is pretty widespread that we don't 207 00:09:49,422 --> 00:09:51,156 Want to have to children because, you know, 208 00:09:51,291 --> 00:09:53,024 We ourselves are struggling so much, 209 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:55,292 And our future seems so bleak, 210 00:09:55,329 --> 00:09:56,828 Why would we want to bring somebody else 211 00:09:56,830 --> 00:09:58,763 Into a situation like that? 212 00:09:58,832 --> 00:10:00,765 And so the pledge is a platform for people 213 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:03,368 To share how they were feeling. 214 00:10:03,437 --> 00:10:07,105 ♪ 215 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:09,073 I really wanted to be a mom. And that's something 216 00:10:09,142 --> 00:10:11,442 That's really important to me. 217 00:10:11,511 --> 00:10:14,546 And so taking those steps was really hard, 218 00:10:14,681 --> 00:10:17,248 And it wasn't a decision I took lightly. 219 00:10:17,284 --> 00:10:19,917 If I don't have a future, I'm not gonna have children. 220 00:10:19,987 --> 00:10:22,453 And like, without children, there's no future. 221 00:10:22,489 --> 00:10:24,055 As one young person, you know, 222 00:10:24,124 --> 00:10:25,923 That's powerful enough, but then when it becomes 223 00:10:25,993 --> 00:10:27,959 Thousands and thousands of young people 224 00:10:27,961 --> 00:10:29,260 All saying the same thing, 225 00:10:29,396 --> 00:10:32,730 That's something that people are noticing. 226 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:34,599 I was always really surprised with 227 00:10:34,734 --> 00:10:36,401 How far we're spreading. 228 00:10:36,470 --> 00:10:38,469 Like, it really was youth all over the world 229 00:10:38,538 --> 00:10:40,405 Who were signing it. 230 00:10:40,474 --> 00:10:43,608 ♪ 231 00:10:43,743 --> 00:10:49,880 [indistinct chanting] 232 00:10:49,916 --> 00:10:51,816 This pledge is not like this is a guarantee, 233 00:10:51,951 --> 00:10:54,018 Or this is a contract with anyone. 234 00:10:54,054 --> 00:10:55,820 This is really like, hey, these are my daily thoughts. 235 00:10:55,889 --> 00:10:58,690 Apparently, a lot of other kids are having them. 236 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:00,692 We want the same opportunity that everyone has to like 237 00:11:00,694 --> 00:11:03,161 Have kids, raise them in a healthy environment 238 00:11:03,230 --> 00:11:05,496 Where they can actually live, learn and grow. 239 00:11:05,565 --> 00:11:06,964 But how we're going, 240 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,366 I don't think that's possible. 241 00:11:08,435 --> 00:11:10,101 That's why we're here today, so that we can 242 00:11:10,236 --> 00:11:12,570 Actually fight for a future for our kids. 243 00:11:12,572 --> 00:11:14,039 Because no adults even take it seriously. 244 00:11:14,174 --> 00:11:15,306 Yeah. 245 00:11:15,375 --> 00:11:16,640 [chanting] you can't drink oil, 246 00:11:16,677 --> 00:11:17,976 Keep it in the soil! 247 00:11:18,111 --> 00:11:20,778 You can't drink oil, keep it in the soil! 248 00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:23,682 You can't drink oil... Keep it in the soil! 249 00:11:23,817 --> 00:11:25,183 You can't drink oil! 250 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:26,984 Young people like me don't have the option of 251 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:28,787 Having safe and happy families. 252 00:11:28,922 --> 00:11:31,255 Irresponsible governments kneeling to the fossil fuel 253 00:11:31,291 --> 00:11:33,825 Industry took that away from us. 254 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,459 I'm choosing not to have kids. 255 00:11:35,495 --> 00:11:37,394 But I want governments to know that this choice is 256 00:11:37,431 --> 00:11:39,464 Being forced on me because I can't guarantee 257 00:11:39,533 --> 00:11:42,266 A healthy and safe world for my children to live in. 258 00:11:42,268 --> 00:11:47,272 ♪ 259 00:11:47,274 --> 00:11:48,640 When I first told my parents about the pledge, 260 00:11:48,775 --> 00:11:51,142 I had to like try very hard to communicate with them 261 00:11:51,178 --> 00:11:53,611 That like, no, like, this isn't... 262 00:11:53,647 --> 00:11:54,813 This isn't me being depressed, 263 00:11:54,948 --> 00:11:58,282 Dramatic or exaggerating my fears in any way. 264 00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:00,885 This is very real. 265 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:03,721 I could see you being nervous about telling me that because 266 00:12:03,724 --> 00:12:06,891 I am very, like, I want grandchildren 267 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:08,359 And lots of them. 268 00:12:08,395 --> 00:12:11,963 Like, I had these children, so I could be a fun grandma. 269 00:12:12,032 --> 00:12:15,600 But like it's sad when you have a child as like, 270 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,636 You know what it feels like to be a mother and you... 271 00:12:18,705 --> 00:12:21,639 You know, there's nothing like it. 272 00:12:21,708 --> 00:12:24,308 So, it is a loss for us. 273 00:12:24,344 --> 00:12:26,043 I feel like it's a loss for me too. 274 00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:29,380 ♪ 275 00:12:29,516 --> 00:12:31,048 I've poured like countless hours 276 00:12:31,184 --> 00:12:32,951 Into doing climate activism. 277 00:12:32,953 --> 00:12:37,689 And I feel like it's work that I can't do if I have kids. 278 00:12:37,691 --> 00:12:39,924 Lots of people in my life have been frustrated by this. 279 00:12:40,059 --> 00:12:41,993 It was difficult to really explain to them that, 280 00:12:41,995 --> 00:12:44,328 You know, I'm not doing this activism just to 281 00:12:44,397 --> 00:12:47,098 Shake things up just to be a contrarian. 282 00:12:47,167 --> 00:12:50,468 I'm doing these things because I want what they want. 283 00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:52,737 I want to be able to feel safe and secure and 284 00:12:52,872 --> 00:12:54,539 To have a happy family. 285 00:12:54,541 --> 00:12:57,542 But I feel like I won't have that opportunity, 286 00:12:57,611 --> 00:13:00,344 Unless I'm able to stop what's happening right now. 287 00:13:00,346 --> 00:13:02,213 ♪ 288 00:13:02,282 --> 00:13:04,481 We will do everything in our power to 289 00:13:04,518 --> 00:13:07,552 Stop this crisis from getting worse, 290 00:13:07,621 --> 00:13:12,457 Even if that means skipping school or work. 291 00:13:12,459 --> 00:13:16,894 Well over 6.6 million people have joined 292 00:13:16,930 --> 00:13:18,630 The week for future, 293 00:13:18,765 --> 00:13:20,665 The strikes on this and last Friday. 294 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:29,039 [cheering & applauding] 295 00:13:29,075 --> 00:13:31,843 We took her to the car and, and let her go. 296 00:13:31,845 --> 00:13:34,178 But she was like also on the verge of tears, you know, 297 00:13:34,181 --> 00:13:37,381 Just like the rest of us, so tired and so exhausted, 298 00:13:37,417 --> 00:13:39,584 And there's no break because there's no action. 299 00:13:39,653 --> 00:13:41,386 We're organizing. 300 00:13:41,388 --> 00:13:43,521 We're sharing this message that should be shared by 301 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:46,057 Our political leaders and isn't. 302 00:13:46,059 --> 00:13:48,993 We have to keep going and it's exhausting. 303 00:13:49,128 --> 00:13:51,863 I know I do ten hours of work every day for this, 304 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:53,698 And I shouldn't have to. 305 00:13:53,767 --> 00:13:56,968 ♪ 306 00:13:57,037 --> 00:13:58,469 Even though we got so many people out, 307 00:13:58,604 --> 00:14:01,406 I can't name a single policy that I think 308 00:14:01,408 --> 00:14:03,808 We could attribute to the climate strikes. 309 00:14:03,877 --> 00:14:06,010 But the one good thing that I do think that the climate 310 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:09,947 Strikes brought was it created a sense of community 311 00:14:10,016 --> 00:14:13,418 Among people from all over the country who all feel 312 00:14:13,553 --> 00:14:15,219 Really strongly about this issue. 313 00:14:24,163 --> 00:14:27,098 When I first started questioning what it meant 314 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:30,401 To have a child in an increasingly dire 315 00:14:30,437 --> 00:14:32,704 Climate crisis scenario, 316 00:14:32,706 --> 00:14:36,641 I felt very deviant for even asking the question. 317 00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:40,111 Then you had celebrities like miley cyrus, 318 00:14:40,180 --> 00:14:42,780 To politicians making statements. 319 00:14:42,782 --> 00:14:46,317 There's scientific consensus, and it does lead, I think, 320 00:14:46,452 --> 00:14:48,453 Young people to... 321 00:14:48,588 --> 00:14:50,855 Have a legitimate question. 322 00:14:50,990 --> 00:14:53,725 Is it okay to still have children? 323 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:55,726 At a certain moment, it just took off. 324 00:14:55,795 --> 00:14:58,529 Lots of journalists writing about this. 325 00:14:58,531 --> 00:15:00,464 And this is in a very few short years because 326 00:15:00,500 --> 00:15:03,268 I started asking these questions in 2017. 327 00:15:03,403 --> 00:15:05,837 Now, here we are in 2021. 328 00:15:05,839 --> 00:15:10,741 My colleagues and I surveyed 10,000 young people 329 00:15:10,777 --> 00:15:12,710 In ten countries around the world. 330 00:15:12,712 --> 00:15:14,479 And we were alarmed by what we found. 331 00:15:14,481 --> 00:15:18,750 56% said that they feel humanity is doomed. 332 00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:21,419 39% percent of those young people said that the climate 333 00:15:21,421 --> 00:15:24,422 Crisis makes them hesitant to have their own kids. 334 00:15:24,491 --> 00:15:28,359 And we found that these feelings and thoughts were 335 00:15:28,494 --> 00:15:31,963 Significantly correlated with the sense of being betrayed 336 00:15:32,032 --> 00:15:34,565 By governments and lied to by leaders, 337 00:15:34,634 --> 00:15:37,268 Which introduces us to a very important concept 338 00:15:37,270 --> 00:15:39,137 Of institutional betrayal. 339 00:15:39,272 --> 00:15:42,006 ♪ 340 00:15:42,042 --> 00:15:44,508 This sense of betrayal inspired another group called 341 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:47,511 Birth strike to declare that they won't have children. 342 00:15:47,580 --> 00:15:50,314 The movement came out of the uk and is similar to 343 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:52,916 The "no future, no children" pledge. 344 00:15:52,953 --> 00:15:55,453 Their goal is to use reproductive decisions 345 00:15:55,455 --> 00:15:58,122 To demand change, and to get the attention of those 346 00:15:58,124 --> 00:16:01,392 Who don't normally care enough about the climate. 347 00:16:01,527 --> 00:16:04,328 A lot of people are getting a little bit confused about 348 00:16:04,397 --> 00:16:05,930 What we're trying to do here. 349 00:16:06,065 --> 00:16:09,801 Some people make sense of this whole conversation 350 00:16:09,936 --> 00:16:12,403 As just being about civilizational suicide. 351 00:16:12,439 --> 00:16:15,606 You're basically saying, the species is over, 352 00:16:15,675 --> 00:16:17,341 It's hopeless, we should in effect, 353 00:16:17,377 --> 00:16:20,244 As a group end it, commit suicide. 354 00:16:20,313 --> 00:16:23,348 And that is not what anyone involved with these concerns 355 00:16:23,483 --> 00:16:25,282 Is saying, from my experience, 356 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:27,017 Now having spoken with hundreds of them. 357 00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:30,221 Birth strike isn't about trying to stop other people 358 00:16:30,290 --> 00:16:34,592 From having children. We feel too afraid. 359 00:16:34,727 --> 00:16:38,296 There's a lot of kind of turbulent reaction to the 360 00:16:38,298 --> 00:16:41,032 Idea and right wing conversation too 361 00:16:41,034 --> 00:16:42,233 That gets attached to this. 362 00:16:42,302 --> 00:16:45,069 And it's this kind of racist discourse about people from 363 00:16:45,105 --> 00:16:48,572 Developing nations having lots of kids, 364 00:16:48,608 --> 00:16:51,442 While people in developed nations aren't having enough. 365 00:16:51,478 --> 00:16:53,778 ♪ 366 00:16:53,913 --> 00:16:56,714 So birth strike was often misunderstood. 367 00:16:56,783 --> 00:16:59,450 They tried to regain control of their message, 368 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,585 But many people still thought they were 369 00:17:01,621 --> 00:17:04,188 Promoting population control. 370 00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:06,057 So, they shut the group down. 371 00:17:06,192 --> 00:17:08,959 ♪ 372 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:12,330 Your work has focused a lot on critiquing this 373 00:17:12,465 --> 00:17:16,300 Commonly heard idea that overpopulation is the 374 00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:18,569 Root of our environmental problems. 375 00:17:18,571 --> 00:17:21,605 And what's happened then, in order to put that narrative 376 00:17:21,674 --> 00:17:24,475 On the table and become this popular idea that it is? 377 00:17:24,610 --> 00:17:27,145 Oh, so many things. 378 00:17:27,147 --> 00:17:29,447 This narrative started a really long time ago, 379 00:17:29,582 --> 00:17:33,551 In the late 18th century with a guy named malthus. 380 00:17:33,553 --> 00:17:37,354 And then in the mid 20th century, paul ehrlich. 381 00:17:37,390 --> 00:17:40,691 He wrote a famous book, "the population bomb". 382 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,829 He equated population growth to a nuclear bomb, 383 00:17:44,964 --> 00:17:47,298 Which is frightening language. 384 00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:49,032 And he was featured on the carson show 385 00:17:49,069 --> 00:17:51,035 Throughout the 1970s. 386 00:17:51,104 --> 00:17:53,571 Everybody's lives would get better in the long run 'cause 387 00:17:53,706 --> 00:17:55,339 There would be more of everything to go around. 388 00:17:55,475 --> 00:17:59,376 But our population size does not correlate to the ways 389 00:17:59,446 --> 00:18:02,779 That we consume resources and pollute the planet. 390 00:18:02,781 --> 00:18:06,383 So, the united states, we've got about 5% of the 391 00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:09,653 Global population and put about a quarter of the 392 00:18:09,689 --> 00:18:12,657 World's carbon emissions into the atmosphere. 393 00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:16,260 If you look at sub-saharan african countries that have 394 00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:18,729 The highest rates of population growth, 395 00:18:18,798 --> 00:18:23,201 Those countries have the lowest emissions. 396 00:18:23,336 --> 00:18:27,471 So, if population is our strategy or our solution, 397 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:28,873 It's not gonna work. 398 00:18:28,875 --> 00:18:30,674 If we can move the conversation 399 00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:32,777 Away from overpopulation, 400 00:18:32,912 --> 00:18:35,012 There's still much to discuss around the 401 00:18:35,147 --> 00:18:38,615 Connections between reproduction, environment, 402 00:18:38,751 --> 00:18:41,619 Climate change, and a lot of work to be done. 403 00:18:41,754 --> 00:18:45,423 You're now embarking on this investigation of how race 404 00:18:45,558 --> 00:18:47,692 Shows up in these conversations around 405 00:18:47,694 --> 00:18:49,560 Environmental emotions, 406 00:18:49,596 --> 00:18:51,896 And what's rising to the surface for you? 407 00:18:51,965 --> 00:18:55,166 For youth of colour, who I have interviewed, 408 00:18:55,168 --> 00:18:57,401 The emotions that they expressed around whether or 409 00:18:57,537 --> 00:19:00,037 Not they want to have children were mainly focused 410 00:19:00,073 --> 00:19:03,040 On the things they are already experiencing. 411 00:19:03,042 --> 00:19:06,043 So, racial discrimination, gender and sexuality 412 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:09,113 Discrimination, and just political division 413 00:19:09,182 --> 00:19:11,516 And real ugliness. 414 00:19:11,651 --> 00:19:12,616 They don't want to experience 415 00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:14,718 Worsened climate change either, 416 00:19:14,787 --> 00:19:17,054 But for them that's a little bit at a remove, 417 00:19:17,056 --> 00:19:19,724 Whereas racism and other social tensions 418 00:19:19,859 --> 00:19:22,793 Are right here, right now. 419 00:19:22,795 --> 00:19:25,062 So, I have decided not to have children. 420 00:19:25,064 --> 00:19:29,132 My main reasons were, can I bring a child into this 421 00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:32,403 Deeply divided society in which racism 422 00:19:32,538 --> 00:19:36,073 Is still this bad? No. 423 00:19:36,209 --> 00:19:40,011 On top of that, I don't ever want to have to evacuate my 424 00:19:40,146 --> 00:19:45,950 Home due to wildfire and have to evacuate with a child. 425 00:19:45,952 --> 00:19:49,353 And fires will be coming any moment now, it feels like. 426 00:19:49,488 --> 00:19:51,422 But last year, there were terrible fires 427 00:19:51,557 --> 00:19:53,624 That hit this area. 428 00:19:53,626 --> 00:19:57,028 And the statistically significant number of women 429 00:19:57,163 --> 00:19:59,497 Who lost their pregnancies during the days 430 00:19:59,499 --> 00:20:01,098 Of wildfire exposure. 431 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,468 So, when we're talking about climate change being 432 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:06,837 A reproductive justice issue in that sense, 433 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:08,906 It's starting to become very explicit. 434 00:20:08,975 --> 00:20:12,777 ♪ 435 00:20:12,912 --> 00:20:14,911 Conversations about the climate crisis and 436 00:20:14,913 --> 00:20:17,515 Our reproductive choices are really personal, 437 00:20:17,517 --> 00:20:20,117 But they're also political. 438 00:20:20,186 --> 00:20:23,120 They're about climate justice, racial justice, 439 00:20:23,189 --> 00:20:27,391 Social justice, and how they're all intertwined. 440 00:20:27,427 --> 00:20:29,326 Partway through researching my book, 441 00:20:29,362 --> 00:20:31,996 I developed a deeper understanding of how 442 00:20:32,065 --> 00:20:34,999 Privilege was fueling my own eco-anxiety. 443 00:20:35,068 --> 00:20:38,069 Because as a white middle-class canadian, 444 00:20:38,204 --> 00:20:40,604 I mainly dreaded the future. 445 00:20:40,673 --> 00:20:42,540 But people facing systemic threats are 446 00:20:42,542 --> 00:20:45,610 Being harmed in the present. 447 00:20:45,745 --> 00:20:49,480 How do you feel about the critique that this is a 448 00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:52,416 Privileged person's preoccupation? 449 00:20:52,418 --> 00:20:54,051 I wouldn't even call it a criticism, 450 00:20:54,053 --> 00:20:56,387 That's just a really valid observation to make. 451 00:20:56,522 --> 00:20:59,356 The pledge was intended for the audience of people that 452 00:20:59,392 --> 00:21:01,759 Is more responsible for climate change. 453 00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:03,294 And we wouldn't want to tell people 454 00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:05,228 Not to have children, ever. 455 00:21:05,265 --> 00:21:07,698 You know, for a lot of people in communities that have been 456 00:21:07,734 --> 00:21:10,834 Marginalized, having kids and teaching them culture, 457 00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:14,038 That's an act of activism and resistance and 458 00:21:14,107 --> 00:21:17,041 Resilience in itself and that's powerful. 459 00:21:17,043 --> 00:21:20,578 ♪ 460 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:22,446 My daughter's name is maamaatesiinh. 461 00:21:22,581 --> 00:21:27,384 And it's potawatomi for firefly. 462 00:21:27,420 --> 00:21:29,653 My daughter will grow up on her land, 463 00:21:29,689 --> 00:21:31,421 And she will know her language. 464 00:21:31,457 --> 00:21:34,592 -Say 'ani'. -Say 'ani'. 465 00:21:34,727 --> 00:21:36,593 'ani', flower, yeah. 466 00:21:36,629 --> 00:21:41,265 So unlike me, who has spent all of my life 467 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,134 Yearning for that, you know, learning my language, 468 00:21:44,170 --> 00:21:50,006 But I walked alongside my mom as she reclaimed those things. 469 00:21:50,043 --> 00:21:52,309 So, I have a responsibility as someone who 470 00:21:52,312 --> 00:21:55,879 Grew up with that knowledge to pass it on. 471 00:21:55,915 --> 00:21:58,014 I have never met an indigenous person 472 00:21:58,051 --> 00:21:59,516 Who didn't want to have kids because they thought 473 00:21:59,585 --> 00:22:01,118 The world was ending. 474 00:22:01,187 --> 00:22:03,653 Why would we think about not having children, 475 00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:07,224 When we've already experienced the apocalypse? 476 00:22:07,293 --> 00:22:10,293 When somebody comes to your land, 477 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:12,630 Takes all of your resources, 478 00:22:12,632 --> 00:22:16,567 Kills your ability to survive and have a family, 479 00:22:16,636 --> 00:22:20,303 And then takes your children and separates them from you, 480 00:22:20,340 --> 00:22:22,305 And tells you that everything about your 481 00:22:22,342 --> 00:22:27,178 Whole existence is shameful and wrong... 482 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,380 That's the end of the world. 483 00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:32,315 ♪ 484 00:22:32,352 --> 00:22:37,388 To lose our very existence, 485 00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:39,590 Which is our culture, 486 00:22:39,592 --> 00:22:42,393 Is the end of the world. 487 00:22:42,528 --> 00:22:46,597 And that's why we can't imagine not having babies. 488 00:22:46,599 --> 00:22:51,001 Because if we don't have babies, the colonizers win, 489 00:22:51,137 --> 00:22:53,870 And that's what they want. 490 00:22:53,906 --> 00:22:57,841 So, I'm not gonna give it to them. 491 00:22:57,910 --> 00:23:01,778 Raising children for me is a political act informed by 492 00:23:01,814 --> 00:23:06,350 History because the choice to be a mother, 493 00:23:06,419 --> 00:23:12,289 To raise and protect my child is the revolution. 494 00:23:12,325 --> 00:23:16,160 I think it's the only way to heal from genocide. 495 00:23:16,162 --> 00:23:18,762 My biggest fear is that we will come to a moment 496 00:23:18,765 --> 00:23:22,633 Where I won't know if I can keep her safe. 497 00:23:22,702 --> 00:23:25,302 And in that place, I know why people 498 00:23:25,304 --> 00:23:30,974 Don't want to bring precious life into this world. 499 00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:33,176 And so, there's this like real pain 500 00:23:33,212 --> 00:23:36,480 About imagining a future. 501 00:23:36,615 --> 00:23:39,783 And I think for so many populations who have 502 00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:42,987 Had the privilege to live outside of genocide, 503 00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:45,389 They've never had that before. 504 00:23:45,391 --> 00:23:47,591 Futures have been handed to them. 505 00:23:47,593 --> 00:23:50,127 The idea of safety and a roof over their head and 506 00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:52,696 Having a career, that's all normal. 507 00:23:52,698 --> 00:23:58,469 So, this sense of not having hope, this is new. 508 00:23:58,604 --> 00:24:01,872 I think that this motherhood question 509 00:24:02,007 --> 00:24:04,708 Is kind of that window into 510 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:07,811 So many demographics who live with that same fear 511 00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:10,948 Every day because of the world they live in. 512 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:14,351 ♪ 513 00:24:14,353 --> 00:24:17,888 A key takeaway for me has been to reframe the pain 514 00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:21,491 I feel about the future by listening to the stories of 515 00:24:21,527 --> 00:24:23,494 People who haven't been able to take their 516 00:24:23,563 --> 00:24:26,763 Security for granted, and who know in their bones 517 00:24:26,833 --> 00:24:30,434 How unsafe the world can be. 518 00:24:30,569 --> 00:24:32,636 So, given that these emotions 519 00:24:32,638 --> 00:24:34,305 Might sit in our bodies differently, 520 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,340 Depending on what our racial, cultural, political, 521 00:24:36,342 --> 00:24:38,442 Economic class backgrounds are, 522 00:24:38,577 --> 00:24:39,843 There are some similarities 523 00:24:39,879 --> 00:24:42,779 Rising to the surface around this terror. 524 00:24:42,815 --> 00:24:45,749 So, what kind of opportunities might that 525 00:24:45,885 --> 00:24:47,918 Open up for solidarity? 526 00:24:48,053 --> 00:24:51,455 I think that coming together and expressing emotions 527 00:24:51,524 --> 00:24:55,726 Outwardly, and finding new tools and resources for 528 00:24:55,795 --> 00:24:58,462 Creating space for other people's emotions, 529 00:24:58,597 --> 00:25:00,330 Is really important. 530 00:25:00,366 --> 00:25:03,434 And the reason I know that is every single 531 00:25:03,436 --> 00:25:05,869 Young person who I've interviewed has said, 532 00:25:05,905 --> 00:25:09,206 "I'm so glad that you're asking these questions 533 00:25:09,208 --> 00:25:11,008 Because I think about this all the time, 534 00:25:11,077 --> 00:25:13,777 And I've never had this conversation out loud." 535 00:25:13,779 --> 00:25:16,680 ♪ 536 00:25:16,815 --> 00:25:20,150 Many people are grieving and scared and 537 00:25:20,152 --> 00:25:22,219 Don't necessarily know where to go 538 00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:25,856 Because there's a lack of norms for how to process 539 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:28,692 This stuff and talk about it and bring it up. 540 00:25:28,694 --> 00:25:31,294 There are journalists calling me every day 541 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:35,231 To ask how one can cope with 542 00:25:35,268 --> 00:25:39,636 A sense of eco-anxiety, existential dread. 543 00:25:39,705 --> 00:25:43,607 So, I decided to call my book "generation dread". 544 00:25:43,743 --> 00:25:46,043 And I also write a newsletter where I share resources 545 00:25:46,045 --> 00:25:49,646 For staying sane in the climate crisis. 546 00:25:49,782 --> 00:25:53,750 I'm finding peer-led support groups online and in-person, 547 00:25:53,786 --> 00:25:58,188 Climate cafes, climate grief ten-step programs, 548 00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:59,656 And climate aware therapy 549 00:25:59,692 --> 00:26:02,393 That's becoming more widely available. 550 00:26:02,528 --> 00:26:03,460 When you have a place to talk about 551 00:26:03,596 --> 00:26:06,196 Your fears with people who validate them, 552 00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:09,933 The distress becomes much easier to live with. 553 00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:12,703 So, finding this community is really step one. 554 00:26:22,882 --> 00:26:24,882 When I was struggling with the question of 555 00:26:24,884 --> 00:26:27,685 "do we have a kid or not in the climate crisis," 556 00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:30,554 The first group I found organizing around this was 557 00:26:30,623 --> 00:26:32,689 "conceivable future". 558 00:26:32,725 --> 00:26:35,291 It's an activist-led network that helps people set up 559 00:26:35,328 --> 00:26:38,095 Informal gatherings to explore these concerns. 560 00:26:38,164 --> 00:26:44,200 ♪ 561 00:26:44,236 --> 00:26:47,371 A few years ago, we ended up having this pledge. 562 00:26:47,373 --> 00:26:51,241 Since then, we haven't had much more of a conversation. 563 00:26:51,277 --> 00:26:54,445 But it hasn't left my mind, which brings me to 564 00:26:54,447 --> 00:26:56,513 This idea of the house party. 565 00:26:56,515 --> 00:26:58,315 I'm hoping to be a host of one and I'm kind of 566 00:26:58,384 --> 00:27:01,484 Wondering how conceivable future began. 567 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,121 In 2014, when megan and I met, 568 00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:07,391 We both had been doing climate work for a while. 569 00:27:07,393 --> 00:27:09,993 And we both had this feeling that there was a kind of 570 00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:12,629 A heart missing from the movement. 571 00:27:12,698 --> 00:27:15,432 The climate crisis has often been illustrated in terms of 572 00:27:15,468 --> 00:27:18,135 Icebergs calving, polar bears starving, 573 00:27:18,270 --> 00:27:20,804 All of this stuff is like, really bad news. 574 00:27:20,806 --> 00:27:23,873 But not everybody connects to it on a visceral level. 575 00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:26,744 What we were finding was climate activists, 576 00:27:26,879 --> 00:27:29,346 Many of them were thinking about it in terms of 577 00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:31,214 Protecting a child that they know, 578 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:32,615 A child that they want to have, 579 00:27:32,652 --> 00:27:35,285 The right for people to have children. 580 00:27:35,354 --> 00:27:37,620 That's what the conceivable future house parties 581 00:27:37,657 --> 00:27:39,423 Are about, that taking that first step. 582 00:27:39,558 --> 00:27:41,024 Why do I care about this fight? 583 00:27:41,027 --> 00:27:42,559 What am I fighting for? 584 00:27:42,595 --> 00:27:45,896 We have a framework, there is this house party how-to. 585 00:27:45,898 --> 00:27:48,565 But really, what we do is we give people a couple of ways 586 00:27:48,601 --> 00:27:50,768 To consider the question, how is climate change 587 00:27:50,903 --> 00:27:53,303 Shaping your reproductive life? 588 00:27:53,438 --> 00:27:54,605 Hi! 589 00:27:54,607 --> 00:27:55,972 I would recommend starting with everybody 590 00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,307 Introducing themselves and where they're from, 591 00:27:57,443 --> 00:27:58,842 And maybe how old they are. 592 00:27:58,844 --> 00:28:01,277 And then we have people write for a few minutes 593 00:28:01,313 --> 00:28:03,113 To organize their thoughts. 594 00:28:03,149 --> 00:28:05,181 If we describe the situation we're in, 595 00:28:05,217 --> 00:28:08,185 That's when we start to be able to shift it. 596 00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:10,987 And after an hour or two, we gather up again, 597 00:28:10,989 --> 00:28:13,523 And have people share, which sounds pretty simple, 598 00:28:13,592 --> 00:28:16,894 Because it is, but it's also, for a lot of people a real 599 00:28:16,896 --> 00:28:19,429 Turning point in their thinking about these issues. 600 00:28:22,668 --> 00:28:25,135 When I started talking about my fears around parenthood, 601 00:28:25,270 --> 00:28:26,603 The goal was always to say, 602 00:28:26,605 --> 00:28:29,005 I want to bring in my personal testimony 603 00:28:29,041 --> 00:28:30,641 Of just how scared I am. 604 00:28:30,776 --> 00:28:34,177 It's very, very much linked to what the children 605 00:28:34,246 --> 00:28:36,646 Would have to endure. And it's very visual, right? 606 00:28:36,716 --> 00:28:38,549 So wondering if there's reactions there? 607 00:28:38,684 --> 00:28:41,084 And for you, what's the root of this hesitation? 608 00:28:41,087 --> 00:28:42,719 I work in the climate sector as well. 609 00:28:42,722 --> 00:28:45,422 I have access to this information. 610 00:28:45,424 --> 00:28:48,825 And is it more incumbent upon me to use this 611 00:28:48,894 --> 00:28:50,828 As a decision-making factor? 612 00:28:50,963 --> 00:28:53,430 But also the flip side, if I'm working to fight 613 00:28:53,432 --> 00:28:56,700 For systems, shouldn't I be more allowed to 614 00:28:56,835 --> 00:28:59,102 Have kids at the same time? 615 00:28:59,171 --> 00:29:03,340 It also means like raising a child to be prepared, 616 00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:06,476 To be adaptable, to like be brave. 617 00:29:06,545 --> 00:29:08,912 So that's the part that feels hard. 618 00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:11,248 And like, am I ready for that challenge? 619 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:13,650 So not only is that responsibility you feel 620 00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:15,519 To prepare the child. 621 00:29:15,521 --> 00:29:17,321 We don't know how a child's going to react. 622 00:29:17,456 --> 00:29:18,889 Like they might be really mad 623 00:29:18,958 --> 00:29:20,791 Because of the state of the world. 624 00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:23,459 And that's something else we have to bear. 625 00:29:23,496 --> 00:29:25,495 I understand that corporations are 626 00:29:25,531 --> 00:29:29,132 Responsible for most of the carbon production. 627 00:29:29,135 --> 00:29:32,469 But, I pause and hesitate because it's like, 628 00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,605 There are already so many beings, 629 00:29:34,740 --> 00:29:38,075 There's already so much life, is it...? 630 00:29:38,210 --> 00:29:41,611 Is it possible just to share that life that's already here? 631 00:29:41,647 --> 00:29:44,081 Like, I feel like if I didn't have a kid, 632 00:29:44,216 --> 00:29:45,882 Then it's almost like I could say, 633 00:29:45,951 --> 00:29:48,886 "this is how serious this is." 634 00:29:48,888 --> 00:29:51,554 I will change my life to show how serious this is like, 635 00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:53,924 It's the house is on fire. 636 00:29:53,926 --> 00:29:56,426 I agree with everything that you shared. 637 00:29:56,495 --> 00:29:59,830 And at the same time, I also think that our systems are... 638 00:29:59,832 --> 00:30:01,565 And capitalism in particular, 639 00:30:01,634 --> 00:30:05,235 Continuously makes us return to ourself. 640 00:30:05,271 --> 00:30:06,903 And, "I'm at fault, or I have to make 641 00:30:06,972 --> 00:30:08,972 This decision and I'm alone in it." 642 00:30:09,107 --> 00:30:12,108 And it's like, no, it's about our systems. 643 00:30:12,178 --> 00:30:15,212 How can we, as a society, begin to really hold 644 00:30:15,347 --> 00:30:19,582 Accountable the people that are supposed to represent us? 645 00:30:19,584 --> 00:30:21,785 That's the work, I think. 646 00:30:21,854 --> 00:30:23,654 And like, I think that's a very beautiful thing. 647 00:30:23,789 --> 00:30:26,523 So like, what my decision might be one day, 648 00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:28,258 Might not be the next, which is probably sort of 649 00:30:28,393 --> 00:30:30,260 Why I land on the fence all the time. 650 00:30:30,262 --> 00:30:33,397 But yeah, I agree, and there's like other ways to 651 00:30:33,399 --> 00:30:36,599 Meaningfully raise children, which gives me... 652 00:30:36,635 --> 00:30:38,335 Calms me down. 653 00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:41,538 I continue to stand firmly on the fence with tamara. 654 00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:44,507 No matter what we choose, it is very much about asking 655 00:30:44,543 --> 00:30:47,544 Yourself, 'what are you called to do in this moment?' 656 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,412 And so like, if your energy is, 657 00:30:49,448 --> 00:30:52,349 I really want to love through my activism, 658 00:30:52,351 --> 00:30:54,618 Like through my giving to community, great. 659 00:30:54,687 --> 00:30:56,553 And then if you want to love through 660 00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:59,489 Building a family, then great. 661 00:30:59,491 --> 00:31:02,092 To be here, I think what I'm taking away is that 662 00:31:02,161 --> 00:31:04,694 Whatever decision I do make, absolutely, 663 00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:07,664 That it would be an expression of life and 664 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,299 A love of life. 665 00:31:09,301 --> 00:31:11,568 And I'm realizing that it would have to happen 666 00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:13,570 In community. 667 00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:16,106 ♪ 668 00:31:16,175 --> 00:31:18,375 [britt] another way to approach this dilemma involves 669 00:31:18,510 --> 00:31:23,313 Reimagining what family means and looks like. 670 00:31:23,349 --> 00:31:26,582 Facing the climate crisis requires support systems that 671 00:31:26,619 --> 00:31:30,053 Go far beyond the traditional nuclear family. 672 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:32,389 We can all be involved in raising children, 673 00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:36,260 Whether they're biologically ours or not. 674 00:31:36,395 --> 00:31:38,261 Since I've now gotten to the point that I don't 675 00:31:38,297 --> 00:31:41,598 Necessarily feel like I will or can have a family, 676 00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:43,900 I do know that I have family members 677 00:31:43,903 --> 00:31:45,402 Who will have families. 678 00:31:45,537 --> 00:31:47,737 And I want to make sure that I'm doing everything that 679 00:31:47,773 --> 00:31:51,408 I can to create a really safe and strong world for 680 00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:54,311 Any nieces or nephews that I might have. 681 00:31:54,313 --> 00:31:57,647 It's no longer about mitigating the climate crisis. 682 00:31:57,650 --> 00:31:59,282 It's about adapting to it. 683 00:31:59,351 --> 00:32:01,584 And really making sure that people are informed and 684 00:32:01,620 --> 00:32:04,121 Strong and have really deep community bonds, 685 00:32:04,123 --> 00:32:05,822 So that we can rely on each other because we're going 686 00:32:05,891 --> 00:32:08,891 To need that when we're facing the worst. 687 00:32:08,928 --> 00:32:13,430 So, when I imagine my future, I really do see activism as 688 00:32:13,499 --> 00:32:18,535 An act of love, and an act of family and a community. 689 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:23,506 Coming up here today, I am fighting for my future. 690 00:32:23,542 --> 00:32:26,777 Losing my future is not like losing an election, 691 00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:30,347 Or a few points on the stock market. 692 00:32:30,482 --> 00:32:33,516 It's 30 years since rio and, 693 00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:36,520 I actually still get people who write to me 694 00:32:36,522 --> 00:32:39,989 Thinking I'm 12 and I just gave that speech. 695 00:32:40,025 --> 00:32:44,795 When I think about why people are still talking about it, 696 00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:48,197 I just realized the importance and 697 00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:50,734 The power of the voice of youth. 698 00:32:50,803 --> 00:32:53,937 And the reason is, is our innate sense of love 699 00:32:53,939 --> 00:32:56,740 For the younger generation. 700 00:32:56,809 --> 00:32:58,541 The whole speech can be summarized 701 00:32:58,610 --> 00:33:00,710 In the last line, which is... 702 00:33:00,713 --> 00:33:03,279 You grown-ups say you love us. 703 00:33:03,349 --> 00:33:05,081 But I challenge you, 704 00:33:05,083 --> 00:33:08,818 Please, make your actions reflect your words. 705 00:33:08,854 --> 00:33:13,223 It definitely affects me differently now as an adult. 706 00:33:13,292 --> 00:33:15,826 However, it hasn't really changed how I feel 707 00:33:15,828 --> 00:33:17,427 About the power of those words. 708 00:33:17,562 --> 00:33:18,928 It's just deepened it. 709 00:33:18,964 --> 00:33:23,433 And truly, if we can embody that love as a society, 710 00:33:23,568 --> 00:33:27,304 I mean, of course, we can deal with these challenges. 711 00:33:27,306 --> 00:33:30,173 I used to go fishing in vancouver, my home- 712 00:33:30,175 --> 00:33:33,109 With my dad- until just a few years ago, 713 00:33:33,145 --> 00:33:36,413 We found the fish full of cancers. 714 00:33:36,482 --> 00:33:39,683 But now I wonder if they will even exist 715 00:33:39,818 --> 00:33:42,919 For my children to see. 716 00:33:43,055 --> 00:33:46,790 When I was very young, my father was starting to 717 00:33:46,792 --> 00:33:49,793 Get really interested in environmental issues because 718 00:33:49,795 --> 00:33:52,328 He was learning through his science programming. 719 00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:53,729 Hello, I'm david suzuki. 720 00:33:53,766 --> 00:33:55,731 Welcome to the nature of things. 721 00:33:55,768 --> 00:34:00,170 Dad wasn't thrilled when I told him I was expecting. 722 00:34:00,239 --> 00:34:01,237 You know, he kind of was like, 723 00:34:01,306 --> 00:34:05,075 "given what is unfolding right now and the 724 00:34:05,077 --> 00:34:07,344 Future that we're predicting, 725 00:34:07,479 --> 00:34:09,879 Why would you bring a kid into this world?" 726 00:34:09,948 --> 00:34:13,517 So that was, that was a bit sobering. 727 00:34:13,652 --> 00:34:18,755 My dad says he was really quite moved by my answer, 728 00:34:18,824 --> 00:34:23,493 Which was, "I'm having a child and that means... 729 00:34:23,529 --> 00:34:25,629 I have to do everything I can to 730 00:34:25,764 --> 00:34:28,365 Ensure that the future is safe. 731 00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,234 I'm all in. This is my commitment." 732 00:34:31,303 --> 00:34:33,636 And he says that just really blew him away because 733 00:34:33,705 --> 00:34:36,406 He realized that this is why we're here. 734 00:34:36,475 --> 00:34:41,711 We're here to provide for the future. 735 00:34:41,713 --> 00:34:43,480 [britt] I learned that it's crucial 736 00:34:43,615 --> 00:34:46,183 To go beyond thinking in black and white, 737 00:34:46,185 --> 00:34:48,985 To really balance hope and fear, 738 00:34:49,121 --> 00:34:52,488 And then find ways to act in that gray zone in between. 739 00:34:52,524 --> 00:34:55,458 But the thing is, we can't have a gray zone baby, right? 740 00:34:55,527 --> 00:34:59,596 It's binary, we either do it or we don't. 741 00:34:59,665 --> 00:35:01,764 Even though it's not the case for other people 742 00:35:01,834 --> 00:35:03,733 Who decide to stay child-free, 743 00:35:03,769 --> 00:35:05,735 I eventually felt that for me, 744 00:35:05,737 --> 00:35:08,738 Not having a child was a commitment to my fear... 745 00:35:08,807 --> 00:35:11,875 While having a child was a commitment to joy and the 746 00:35:11,944 --> 00:35:14,277 Responsibility to engage in climate action 747 00:35:14,412 --> 00:35:17,280 For the rest of my life. 748 00:35:17,415 --> 00:35:21,218 So, the questions I'm asking now have changed from, 749 00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:23,353 Is it okay for me to have a child, 750 00:35:23,422 --> 00:35:28,625 To what's required to parent well in the climate crisis? 751 00:35:28,694 --> 00:35:31,527 I thought, okay, now I've made a decision. 752 00:35:31,529 --> 00:35:33,630 But then there are all these other new emotions I had to, 753 00:35:33,765 --> 00:35:35,231 Had to grapple with. 754 00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:37,200 So, just be prepared for that. 755 00:35:37,236 --> 00:35:39,903 This is gonna be a continual relationship with emotions, 756 00:35:40,038 --> 00:35:42,539 No matter which decision you make. 757 00:35:42,608 --> 00:35:46,309 I've had several parents say, "have I done the wrong thing, 758 00:35:46,444 --> 00:35:48,544 Putting the kid into this world?" 759 00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:50,981 But while answering those kinds of questions, 760 00:35:50,983 --> 00:35:53,449 I'm also simultaneously feeling 761 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:55,418 My baby kick inside of me. 762 00:35:55,454 --> 00:35:58,188 So, it's getting existential. 763 00:36:04,897 --> 00:36:09,666 It's been really emotional for me to see my son also be 764 00:36:09,801 --> 00:36:11,734 Very sensitive to a lot of the same issues that 765 00:36:11,770 --> 00:36:13,670 I was when I was a kid. 766 00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:16,739 I started to see when my son was about nine years old, 767 00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:19,342 Starting to really take on the weight 768 00:36:19,378 --> 00:36:21,177 Of what we were doing. 769 00:36:21,246 --> 00:36:24,014 And it was really, really hard. 770 00:36:24,149 --> 00:36:26,015 I knew what he was going through. 771 00:36:26,051 --> 00:36:30,620 But I also saw an even bigger burden that he was carrying. 772 00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:33,690 But it was directly related to him not wanting 773 00:36:33,692 --> 00:36:36,226 To be a human, because humans were being 774 00:36:36,228 --> 00:36:38,761 So terrible to the planet. 775 00:36:38,797 --> 00:36:42,431 A lot of young people are experiencing 776 00:36:42,567 --> 00:36:45,569 A level of trauma, when it comes to 777 00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:49,772 Encountering our current state and future state, 778 00:36:49,808 --> 00:36:51,975 And are feeling all the things 779 00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:53,843 You'd expect with trauma: 780 00:36:53,845 --> 00:36:56,813 Angry, frustrated, 781 00:36:56,948 --> 00:37:00,016 Powerless, sad. 782 00:37:00,151 --> 00:37:03,319 So, therefore, we're in for some rocky times. 783 00:37:03,355 --> 00:37:06,456 And people's distress and anxiety is going way up. 784 00:37:06,591 --> 00:37:10,526 That is not necessarily a unilaterally bad thing. 785 00:37:10,596 --> 00:37:13,096 But we have a tendency in our... 786 00:37:13,165 --> 00:37:17,200 Particularly western society, to see difficult, 787 00:37:17,202 --> 00:37:19,402 Hard feelings as negative and bad. 788 00:37:19,537 --> 00:37:21,537 And if we look through the lens of psychology, 789 00:37:21,607 --> 00:37:24,207 All change pretty much has to happen 790 00:37:24,276 --> 00:37:27,043 When we feel a certain level of discomfort. 791 00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:29,145 The key is, what do we do with those feelings? 792 00:37:29,147 --> 00:37:30,146 How do we make it transformative? 793 00:37:30,215 --> 00:37:32,615 Because it can be paralyzing. 794 00:37:32,618 --> 00:37:36,419 But it also can be the catalyzer, 795 00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:38,554 So it's really not cut and dry. 796 00:37:38,556 --> 00:37:41,758 But the x factor is, if we're able to name 797 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,293 And talk about our feelings, 798 00:37:43,428 --> 00:37:46,563 Have our experience be validated and accepted, 799 00:37:46,698 --> 00:37:48,497 And know that we're not alone in it, 800 00:37:48,533 --> 00:37:50,099 That's really the... 801 00:37:50,168 --> 00:37:51,834 -Secret sauce. -The secret sauce. 802 00:37:51,903 --> 00:37:53,269 Yeah. 803 00:37:53,404 --> 00:37:56,039 I think the number one thing that we can be doing is 804 00:37:56,041 --> 00:37:59,042 Having conversations about these issues with everyone 805 00:37:59,044 --> 00:38:00,710 That we come into contact with, 806 00:38:00,845 --> 00:38:04,847 But in a way that is emotionally intelligent. 807 00:38:04,883 --> 00:38:06,782 It sounds very, very simple. 808 00:38:06,818 --> 00:38:08,585 But it's actually, I think, 809 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:10,854 The hardest thing that we can do. 810 00:38:10,989 --> 00:38:14,524 ♪ 811 00:38:14,526 --> 00:38:17,260 It is normal and reasonable 812 00:38:17,395 --> 00:38:20,396 To be distressed by what is happening. 813 00:38:20,532 --> 00:38:23,366 It's not a pathology, it's not a disorder. 814 00:38:23,502 --> 00:38:24,734 And it's certainly not something that 815 00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:27,937 A psychiatrist can give you a diagnosis for. 816 00:38:28,073 --> 00:38:29,372 We need to support people so that 817 00:38:29,507 --> 00:38:31,074 It doesn't become debilitating. 818 00:38:31,209 --> 00:38:32,942 We especially needed to support young people 819 00:38:32,944 --> 00:38:34,877 So that it doesn't impair their functioning. 820 00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:37,747 But then we need to harness this 821 00:38:37,783 --> 00:38:40,216 For transformative change on climate. 822 00:38:40,252 --> 00:38:41,851 So on the micro level, is that effectively 823 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,586 What's happened with you? 824 00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:45,621 Very much so, yeah. 825 00:38:45,691 --> 00:38:47,757 ♪ 826 00:38:47,892 --> 00:38:51,394 So, what started as a private dilemma about 827 00:38:51,396 --> 00:38:53,262 Whether or not to have a baby, 828 00:38:53,332 --> 00:38:58,034 Has led to a much deeper sense of purpose in my career. 829 00:38:58,103 --> 00:39:01,370 I now work with mental health experts at a medical school. 830 00:39:01,406 --> 00:39:03,306 And we're researching how to better support 831 00:39:03,441 --> 00:39:07,376 Young people with climate distress. 832 00:39:07,412 --> 00:39:09,311 There's so much power that we have now 833 00:39:09,348 --> 00:39:11,848 Over how bad it's going to get. 834 00:39:11,917 --> 00:39:14,784 But it's easy to misunderstand hope. 835 00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:17,253 We often think of hope as being this thing- 836 00:39:17,255 --> 00:39:19,222 Somewhere out there- 837 00:39:19,291 --> 00:39:22,692 That we need to capture in order to get to work. 838 00:39:22,694 --> 00:39:26,663 But you can be totally hope-free and start acting. 839 00:39:26,798 --> 00:39:28,564 And then hope is what you create 840 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,767 When you work together with others. 841 00:39:31,803 --> 00:39:34,136 The thing that saved me was action, 842 00:39:34,172 --> 00:39:35,805 No doubt about it. 843 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:39,743 And so, when I had my son that was dealing with 844 00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:42,479 These really intense feelings of grief, 845 00:39:42,614 --> 00:39:45,214 The first time I really realized it was serious, 846 00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:47,884 I just said, "let's do a garbage cleanup." 847 00:39:48,019 --> 00:39:50,220 And he was just like, 848 00:39:50,222 --> 00:39:52,721 Thrilled and happy little kid again. 849 00:39:52,758 --> 00:39:56,759 So, that was my go-to because that is the only thing that 850 00:39:56,895 --> 00:40:00,830 I think really will alleviate some of the incredible 851 00:40:00,899 --> 00:40:03,833 Anxiety that is on our youth's shoulders today, 852 00:40:03,835 --> 00:40:06,035 It's action. 853 00:40:06,104 --> 00:40:08,371 So, people who are deciding to have kids, 854 00:40:08,506 --> 00:40:10,506 While being very climate aware, 855 00:40:10,508 --> 00:40:12,842 Are coming up with new ideas 856 00:40:12,911 --> 00:40:15,244 And ways to parent in the climate crisis. 857 00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:17,146 But essentially, there's no intervention here 858 00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:19,849 That's going to take your distress away, 859 00:40:19,984 --> 00:40:23,186 The intervention that's needed is climate justice. 860 00:40:23,188 --> 00:40:24,854 If you're going to be a parent, 861 00:40:24,856 --> 00:40:27,056 Or if you are a parent, you've got to do 862 00:40:27,125 --> 00:40:30,993 Everything you can to get us off of fossil fuels. 863 00:40:30,995 --> 00:40:32,996 You got to do this in your personal life, 864 00:40:33,131 --> 00:40:35,198 And you got to get political. 865 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,600 The time for grieving is not yet. 866 00:40:37,735 --> 00:40:39,268 It's not over. 867 00:40:39,337 --> 00:40:44,274 The ipcc scientists say we still have a window 868 00:40:44,409 --> 00:40:48,344 Where we can make a difference. 869 00:40:48,346 --> 00:40:51,747 And the amazing thing is, we now have the technology, 870 00:40:51,817 --> 00:40:55,418 The price of renewables that has absolutely plummeted. 871 00:40:55,420 --> 00:40:58,187 And I'm gonna spend all of my energy 872 00:40:58,190 --> 00:41:00,757 Focused on solutions. 873 00:41:00,759 --> 00:41:03,192 We need young people to be inundated with solutions, 874 00:41:03,261 --> 00:41:05,061 So they can be a part of the change. 875 00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:07,630 Because I think the anxiety around climate change 876 00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:10,833 Comes from the idea that there's nothing we can do. 877 00:41:10,869 --> 00:41:14,037 But if you see the way on the other side, 878 00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:16,706 You'll be unstoppable because you're not living 879 00:41:16,708 --> 00:41:20,376 In disaster, you're striving for a future. 880 00:41:20,512 --> 00:41:24,179 ♪ 881 00:41:24,216 --> 00:41:27,984 So, the next stop on our pollution tour... 882 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:31,654 Is the site of the coal fired power plant. 883 00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:34,457 [rumbling] 884 00:41:34,526 --> 00:41:36,793 And now you can see there's just like 885 00:41:36,795 --> 00:41:39,328 An ocean of solar panels. 886 00:41:39,364 --> 00:41:45,735 ♪ 887 00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:47,870 There's imperial oil in the background, 888 00:41:47,873 --> 00:41:49,539 With wind turbines. 889 00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:52,875 It's kind of crazy seeing, like the future, 890 00:41:52,911 --> 00:41:58,547 Intermixed with like the past, in terms of energy. 891 00:41:58,583 --> 00:42:01,417 I wanted to talk about this transition because 892 00:42:01,453 --> 00:42:03,152 I wanted to show people that there is 893 00:42:03,154 --> 00:42:05,688 Movement happening and to keep pushing. 894 00:42:05,823 --> 00:42:07,957 It's proof that when governments put their 895 00:42:07,959 --> 00:42:09,992 Mind to it, they can make strong action. 896 00:42:10,028 --> 00:42:12,361 And I think we need to keep reminding people of the 897 00:42:12,397 --> 00:42:14,897 Little wins so that they don't lose hope. 898 00:42:18,370 --> 00:42:21,304 I just handed in the final draft of my book. 899 00:42:21,306 --> 00:42:25,174 So, that wraps four years of researching and writing about 900 00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:27,977 The mental health impacts of the climate crisis. 901 00:42:28,112 --> 00:42:32,648 And in just shy of three weeks, I will give birth. 902 00:42:32,784 --> 00:42:35,484 So yeah, birth month, birth of the book, 903 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,253 Birth of the baby. 904 00:42:37,322 --> 00:42:39,388 They're all connected. 905 00:42:39,424 --> 00:42:42,058 The book has always been a bit of a challenging thing to 906 00:42:42,060 --> 00:42:46,029 Wrap up because how do you really conclude something as 907 00:42:46,164 --> 00:42:49,565 Messy and complex as our human existential and 908 00:42:49,568 --> 00:42:53,202 Emotional response to an unfolding collective trauma, 909 00:42:53,204 --> 00:42:57,006 Which is the climate crisis, right? 910 00:42:57,141 --> 00:42:58,875 But I found a few things that will help us 911 00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:01,277 Live more meaningfully with it all. 912 00:43:01,346 --> 00:43:03,479 Like, connecting to a community that 913 00:43:03,481 --> 00:43:06,215 Validates tough climate emotions, 914 00:43:06,284 --> 00:43:10,786 Balancing naive optimism and destructive pessimism, 915 00:43:10,822 --> 00:43:14,390 Understanding that it is never too late, 916 00:43:14,459 --> 00:43:17,760 And placing this moment into the larger context 917 00:43:17,762 --> 00:43:20,797 Of human experience, and history. 918 00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:23,900 All these things can help us take action with others to 919 00:43:24,035 --> 00:43:26,636 Foster a future for the next generation. 920 00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:41,651 ♪ 921 00:43:41,653 --> 00:43:54,063 ♪