1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:11,512 --> 00:00:14,348 [ominous instrumental] 4 00:00:16,558 --> 00:00:20,562 [bell chiming rhythmically] 5 00:00:20,562 --> 00:00:22,523 [Christine] Oh, oh, oh, yeah. 6 00:00:23,524 --> 00:00:25,067 That is the problem. 7 00:00:25,692 --> 00:00:29,279 How the fuck am I gonna explain to anybody where I'm from? 8 00:00:29,279 --> 00:00:30,948 It's so complicated. 9 00:00:31,615 --> 00:00:35,661 Homeless. It's philosophical homeless. 10 00:00:36,495 --> 00:00:39,915 -Exile. -[man] One take one mark. 11 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:46,004 Uh, what it means 12 00:00:46,004 --> 00:00:48,674 [speaking Chinese] 13 00:00:58,475 --> 00:01:01,603 I said I-- my name is Christine Choy. 14 00:01:01,603 --> 00:01:03,146 I'm a half and half. 15 00:01:03,146 --> 00:01:05,357 Half Chinese, half Korean, 16 00:01:05,357 --> 00:01:07,067 and now I live in America. 17 00:01:07,943 --> 00:01:10,028 The United States of the beast. 18 00:01:10,028 --> 00:01:13,490 [soft music playing] 19 00:01:21,582 --> 00:01:22,791 [Christine] How do I describe myself? 20 00:01:22,791 --> 00:01:24,877 Fuck you. You can describe me. 21 00:01:26,295 --> 00:01:28,422 I am a thinker... 22 00:01:29,631 --> 00:01:32,259 but not a very conventional thinker. 23 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:34,344 I am a filmmaker, 24 00:01:34,344 --> 00:01:36,430 but not a conventional filmmaker. 25 00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:39,016 I'm a professor, 26 00:01:39,016 --> 00:01:42,644 definitely, I am not a conventional professor! 27 00:01:42,644 --> 00:01:43,770 Hallelujah. 28 00:01:44,563 --> 00:01:46,690 [Todd] I first met Christine obviously at NYU. 29 00:01:46,690 --> 00:01:48,609 I took her class 30 00:01:48,609 --> 00:01:50,736 and I always remember the first thing she did. 31 00:01:50,736 --> 00:01:53,155 First of all, she smokes in class back then. 32 00:01:53,155 --> 00:01:55,407 In the classroom, which have no windows 33 00:01:55,407 --> 00:01:57,242 and she has always a drink with her 34 00:01:57,242 --> 00:02:00,162 that is, you learn later, is vodka on the rocks. 35 00:02:00,162 --> 00:02:02,456 [Christine] We were all young. Young and crazy. 36 00:02:02,456 --> 00:02:05,501 -Really young and crazy. -She's particularly crazy. 37 00:02:06,335 --> 00:02:08,212 [Christine] But I was a pretty good teacher. 38 00:02:08,212 --> 00:02:09,630 [Todd] She walked in and goes, 39 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:12,257 "First rule about documentary film: 40 00:02:12,257 --> 00:02:14,468 Lie to everyone." 41 00:02:15,093 --> 00:02:18,597 I've known her since she was before dirt. 42 00:02:18,597 --> 00:02:20,599 Christine did a documentary every year. 43 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:22,434 Every year! 44 00:02:22,434 --> 00:02:23,977 [woman] Filmmaker Christine Choy. 45 00:02:23,977 --> 00:02:25,687 -[man] Christine Choy. -[woman] Christine Choy. 46 00:02:25,687 --> 00:02:28,482 There's some things that have statute of limitations 47 00:02:28,482 --> 00:02:29,608 and some things don't. 48 00:02:29,608 --> 00:02:31,401 But I can tell you that 49 00:02:31,401 --> 00:02:34,863 Christine would come into the Black Panther party office, 50 00:02:34,863 --> 00:02:37,616 she eventually became a member of our chapter 51 00:02:37,616 --> 00:02:40,244 because she provided all the films for free. 52 00:02:41,119 --> 00:02:43,580 Power to the people! 53 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:46,166 She had a huge influence on me, in my life. 54 00:02:47,334 --> 00:02:49,878 [footsteps approaching] 55 00:02:49,878 --> 00:02:51,713 I mean, are you gonna walk around 56 00:02:51,713 --> 00:02:52,881 and, like, patter around? 57 00:02:52,881 --> 00:02:54,007 -I'm just leaving. -Okay. 58 00:02:54,925 --> 00:02:57,135 -It's crazy. -[Christine] I'll be back. 59 00:02:57,135 --> 00:02:59,596 ["I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry" by The Kings of Vegas plays] 60 00:03:02,224 --> 00:03:03,475 Stay on this one. 61 00:03:03,475 --> 00:03:05,394 -[indistinct] -[Christine] Yay! 62 00:03:06,019 --> 00:03:08,146 I would describe Christine Choy 63 00:03:08,146 --> 00:03:10,732 as a loudmouth... 64 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:14,069 skinny... 65 00:03:15,028 --> 00:03:18,115 combative, very Chinese. 66 00:03:18,657 --> 00:03:21,660 [Todd] You would be failing a movie about Christine, 67 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:23,579 if you don't get the sort of whirlwind, 68 00:03:23,579 --> 00:03:26,707 Tasmanian devil energy of Christine, you know. 69 00:03:26,707 --> 00:03:30,043 [Atno] She does have Marxist-Leninist ways, 70 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:31,670 but she acts like a queen. 71 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:33,172 She's a diva. 72 00:03:33,172 --> 00:03:35,591 What do we export in the United States? 73 00:03:35,591 --> 00:03:38,510 Wheat, weapon, and movies. 74 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:40,554 -[man] Where did it go wrong? -Everything. 75 00:03:41,471 --> 00:03:43,974 [Jodi] I would put in all her activism 76 00:03:43,974 --> 00:03:45,642 'cause that's an important part of her 77 00:03:45,642 --> 00:03:48,020 and I think that's an important part 78 00:03:48,020 --> 00:03:49,980 for the Asian American community. 79 00:03:49,980 --> 00:03:52,733 You know, I think her filmmaking style 80 00:03:52,733 --> 00:03:55,319 is actually like she is. 81 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:57,196 It's very confrontational. 82 00:03:57,196 --> 00:04:00,657 [ominous instrumental playing] 83 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:03,660 [Cynthia] Oppression spreads over a wide range, 84 00:04:03,660 --> 00:04:05,454 but I don't think there's any oppression 85 00:04:05,454 --> 00:04:07,372 like the oppression that's now. 86 00:04:07,372 --> 00:04:10,709 Because this is like reverting back to slavery days. 87 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:12,711 Instead of bringing us over on a boat, 88 00:04:12,711 --> 00:04:14,171 they bring us from a jailhouse. 89 00:04:14,171 --> 00:04:15,964 Instead of bringing us from Africa, 90 00:04:15,964 --> 00:04:17,758 they're bringing us from Harlem and the Bronx, 91 00:04:17,758 --> 00:04:19,885 but it's all the same game. 92 00:04:19,885 --> 00:04:24,014 [Jodi] She really looks for the injustice 93 00:04:24,014 --> 00:04:28,018 and how do we change that, or how do we expose that, 94 00:04:28,018 --> 00:04:30,729 so that maybe something can change. 95 00:04:30,729 --> 00:04:32,814 [upbeat music playing] 96 00:04:33,899 --> 00:04:38,904 [Christine]    Sound, camera, action. 97 00:04:38,904 --> 00:04:43,909 ♪ 98 00:04:46,495 --> 00:04:48,580 [reporter] Donald Trump took an oath as president 99 00:04:48,580 --> 00:04:50,249 of the United States of America. 100 00:04:50,249 --> 00:04:51,834 [Christine] It doesn't make sense anymore. 101 00:04:51,834 --> 00:04:54,002 What-- Donald Trump as a president? 102 00:04:56,630 --> 00:05:00,217 I mean, theoretically, I think, it's the correct way to do it, 103 00:05:00,217 --> 00:05:03,345 but strategically, I think we're way behind. 104 00:05:03,345 --> 00:05:05,389 Marching is not gonna do too much. 105 00:05:05,389 --> 00:05:07,224 [woman] What do you think we should do? 106 00:05:07,224 --> 00:05:08,684 -Kill him. -[woman laughs] 107 00:05:09,434 --> 00:05:10,936 [Christine] Yeah. A woman sniper. 108 00:05:14,815 --> 00:05:17,818 I love commercial films because they make me cry. 109 00:05:17,818 --> 00:05:21,196 Actually, why I'm interested in films. 110 00:05:21,196 --> 00:05:23,532 You know, there was a film, when I was South Korea, 111 00:05:23,532 --> 00:05:25,450 it's called A Summer Place. 112 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:29,663 And I was so in love with their love relationship. 113 00:05:30,998 --> 00:05:32,040 You smell so good. 114 00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:35,419 I washed my hair for you. 115 00:05:35,419 --> 00:05:37,129 [Christine] I didn't even understand English. 116 00:05:37,129 --> 00:05:38,797 Just watched the movies, you know? 117 00:05:38,797 --> 00:05:40,549 And I thought America was so beautiful. 118 00:05:40,549 --> 00:05:42,843 Everybody's blonde. Everybody's in love. 119 00:05:42,843 --> 00:05:45,512 Everybody parties all the time. Everybody dresses to kill. 120 00:05:45,512 --> 00:05:47,055 Everybody got perfect body. 121 00:05:47,055 --> 00:05:49,057 Everybody's on the beach with Malibus. 122 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:50,392 Yeah, that's what I thought. 123 00:05:50,392 --> 00:05:51,935 And then I got to this country, 124 00:05:51,935 --> 00:05:53,437 I said, "What happened? 125 00:05:53,437 --> 00:05:55,522 These Black people, where'd they come from?" 126 00:05:57,691 --> 00:06:00,527 Sundance, when I was here years ago, 127 00:06:00,527 --> 00:06:01,945 don't ask me what year, 128 00:06:01,945 --> 00:06:04,698 it was called US Film at that time, 129 00:06:04,698 --> 00:06:05,908 not Sundance. 130 00:06:06,491 --> 00:06:08,702 And every morning, we were having coffee, 131 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:10,370 chitchat with Robert Redford. 132 00:06:10,370 --> 00:06:12,915 And I said, "Robert, come on. 133 00:06:12,915 --> 00:06:15,292 This is not white on white." He said, "What do you mean?" 134 00:06:15,292 --> 00:06:17,294 I said, "White people on the white snow." 135 00:06:17,294 --> 00:06:20,005 So the following year I came here as a jury member. 136 00:06:23,008 --> 00:06:24,885 Oh, yeah. I didn't get anything. 137 00:06:24,885 --> 00:06:26,929 -[woman] What film was it? -Who Killed Vincent Chin? 138 00:06:27,763 --> 00:06:30,766 You just don't walk away after you've killed a man. 139 00:06:30,766 --> 00:06:32,601 I don't care for what reason. 140 00:06:35,145 --> 00:06:37,022 [man] The father was saying, "You know, 141 00:06:37,022 --> 00:06:38,774 when we catch up with these Chinese guys, 142 00:06:38,774 --> 00:06:41,193 we gonna bust their motherfucking heads like that." 143 00:06:41,777 --> 00:06:43,612 [man] Mr. Evens was standing over him 144 00:06:43,612 --> 00:06:45,197 with a baseball bat and he was hitting him 145 00:06:45,197 --> 00:06:46,615 in the top of his head. 146 00:06:46,615 --> 00:06:48,659 [man] For a contact, for a swing. 147 00:06:48,659 --> 00:06:49,993 [Christine] It is a good film 148 00:06:49,993 --> 00:06:51,537 but all the jury members were white. 149 00:06:51,537 --> 00:06:54,248 They had no clue about Asian Americans. Zero. 150 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:59,920 After the film is done, my most happiest moment 151 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,173 is when I went to LA and I ran into two lawyers. 152 00:07:03,173 --> 00:07:05,843 They told me, they said, "Because of the film, 153 00:07:05,843 --> 00:07:07,761 we became criminal lawyers." 154 00:07:07,761 --> 00:07:09,638 That's what film is. 155 00:07:09,638 --> 00:07:11,849 Not only about the case. 156 00:07:11,849 --> 00:07:15,602 It's about race, it's about geopolitics, 157 00:07:15,602 --> 00:07:17,312 about criminal justice, 158 00:07:17,312 --> 00:07:18,522 and it is about... 159 00:07:20,274 --> 00:07:21,775 how expendable... 160 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:24,987 human beings' life can be. 161 00:07:34,580 --> 00:07:36,915 [Christine] First thing to ask, "What are you gonna wear?" 162 00:07:36,915 --> 00:07:38,876 I said, "I don't know. I have no idea." 163 00:07:38,876 --> 00:07:41,545 No money, no PR 164 00:07:41,545 --> 00:07:44,006 and there weren't a lot of Asian journalists, 165 00:07:44,006 --> 00:07:46,258 because I was, like, one of the few 166 00:07:46,258 --> 00:07:47,384 who ever got nominated. 167 00:07:48,010 --> 00:07:50,262 1989. Okay. 168 00:07:50,262 --> 00:07:52,347 There were no Black people in the Oscars. 169 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:55,058 [host] Best actress nominee tonight is Jodie Foster, 170 00:07:55,058 --> 00:07:58,312 Tom Selleck, Bruce Willis and Demi Moore. 171 00:07:58,312 --> 00:08:00,689 Here's high flying Tom Cruise. 172 00:08:00,689 --> 00:08:02,482 [Christine] And I got to the Oscars... 173 00:08:02,482 --> 00:08:04,610 Here's one of the great legends of Hollywood. 174 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:08,113 She's back with us tonight. Ms. Snow White, good evening. 175 00:08:08,113 --> 00:08:11,408 And welcome to the 61st Academy Awards. 176 00:08:11,408 --> 00:08:13,493 Uno, dos, tres, cuatro. 177 00:08:14,453 --> 00:08:18,332 [Christine] It was, uh, rather strange. 178 00:08:18,332 --> 00:08:23,337 ♪ Dreams come true in the Chinese theater ♪ 179 00:08:23,337 --> 00:08:26,006 [Christine] And the majority of actors 180 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:28,133 were outside smoking cigarettes, 181 00:08:28,133 --> 00:08:30,511 or in the bathroom, gossiping. 182 00:08:30,511 --> 00:08:33,222 We're here to present the Oscar for documentary features. 183 00:08:33,222 --> 00:08:34,431 There's a very impressive lineup 184 00:08:34,431 --> 00:08:35,849 of nominees in this category. 185 00:08:35,849 --> 00:08:37,976 And when the announcement came... 186 00:08:37,976 --> 00:08:39,561 And the Oscar goes to... 187 00:08:42,481 --> 00:08:45,776 Hotel Terminus: The Life and Times of Klaus Barbie, 188 00:08:45,776 --> 00:08:47,444 Marcel Ophuls, producer. 189 00:08:47,444 --> 00:08:49,446 I was very, very disappointed. 190 00:08:49,446 --> 00:08:52,533 There was no Asian members at the Oscars. 191 00:08:52,533 --> 00:08:54,993 I mean, documentary branch [indistinct]. 192 00:08:54,993 --> 00:08:57,746 [laughs] So, you can't even lobby. 193 00:08:57,746 --> 00:09:00,290 [classical instrumental playing] 194 00:09:02,668 --> 00:09:03,961 [Christine] No, I don't think so. 195 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:08,048 "Thank you. I deserve it." 196 00:09:08,048 --> 00:09:09,508 [laughs] 197 00:09:09,508 --> 00:09:11,093 I still deserve it. 198 00:09:12,302 --> 00:09:14,263 Do I ever wanna be famous? 199 00:09:14,263 --> 00:09:16,515 No, I wanna win a lot of awards, 200 00:09:16,515 --> 00:09:18,350 so I can secure my job. 201 00:09:18,350 --> 00:09:20,602 There was an early period of time, I said, 202 00:09:20,602 --> 00:09:22,896 I was one track mind as a filmmaker, 203 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:25,983 "I'm gonna get in this film festival, 204 00:09:25,983 --> 00:09:27,526 I'm going to get an award." 205 00:09:27,526 --> 00:09:29,736 So, I got a lot of awards. [hums] 206 00:09:29,736 --> 00:09:31,780 Then awards didn't satisfy me. 207 00:09:32,322 --> 00:09:35,909 And I think the most satisfying experience 208 00:09:35,909 --> 00:09:37,411 in making this film, 209 00:09:37,411 --> 00:09:40,455 is revisiting all my old films, 210 00:09:40,455 --> 00:09:42,207 because you people demand me. 211 00:09:42,207 --> 00:09:45,419 Rediscovering yourself through this film in some way. 212 00:09:46,086 --> 00:09:50,007 It's the greatest therapy. 213 00:09:50,007 --> 00:09:52,426 I don't even have to pay a shrink to do this. 214 00:09:53,218 --> 00:09:56,346 [film clicking] 215 00:09:56,346 --> 00:09:59,016 [reporter] This is a CBS News special report. 216 00:09:59,016 --> 00:10:01,602 From CBS News headquarters in New York, 217 00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:02,895 here is Dan Rather. 218 00:10:04,229 --> 00:10:05,856 [Dan] Good evening. We're delaying 219 00:10:05,856 --> 00:10:07,941 the start of tonight's edition of West 57th 220 00:10:07,941 --> 00:10:09,526 to bring you up to date 221 00:10:09,526 --> 00:10:11,320 on the momentous events happening in China. 222 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,030 [reporter 1] This is one of those days on which 223 00:10:13,030 --> 00:10:14,907 you can feel the world changing. 224 00:10:14,907 --> 00:10:16,283 [reporter 2] Events are moving very quickly 225 00:10:16,283 --> 00:10:18,160 in Beijing right now. 226 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,703 [reporter 3] A brutal massacre of Chinese students. 227 00:10:19,703 --> 00:10:20,871 [reporter 4] China's army of the people 228 00:10:20,871 --> 00:10:22,664 open fire on the people. 229 00:10:22,664 --> 00:10:24,583 [Christine] June 4th, 1989, 230 00:10:24,583 --> 00:10:28,170 I was in Los Angeles, shooting for HBO. 231 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:30,130 And in the hotel room, 232 00:10:30,130 --> 00:10:33,175 there was an old television 233 00:10:33,175 --> 00:10:35,802 and I see the Tank Man. 234 00:10:36,428 --> 00:10:38,597 I said, "What's happening?" you know. 235 00:10:39,139 --> 00:10:42,017 Tanks were coming and he just stood there. 236 00:10:42,017 --> 00:10:44,228 When I started to see the footage, 237 00:10:44,228 --> 00:10:46,772 I realized it's-- 238 00:10:46,772 --> 00:10:48,690 it's not peaceful. 239 00:10:48,690 --> 00:10:49,733 Tank. 240 00:10:50,943 --> 00:10:52,236 Tank. You know. 241 00:10:53,195 --> 00:10:54,404 It's very powerful. 242 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:57,699 [trumpet instrumental playing] 243 00:10:57,699 --> 00:10:59,451 [reporter 2] In the streets of Beijing, 244 00:10:59,451 --> 00:11:01,787 mass demonstrations snake through the city 245 00:11:01,787 --> 00:11:04,831 in support of the students in defiance of the government. 246 00:11:04,831 --> 00:11:06,542 [protesting in Chinese] 247 00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:09,086 [reporter 2] There was the feeling of a carnival, 248 00:11:09,086 --> 00:11:10,671 good natured and free-spirited. 249 00:11:18,345 --> 00:11:21,390 They were young, they were 18. College students. 250 00:11:21,390 --> 00:11:25,143 Never even dreamed about that your own people will kill you. 251 00:11:25,143 --> 00:11:27,062 [reporter 5] This huge demonstration is continuing. 252 00:11:27,062 --> 00:11:28,730 And we mean huge. 253 00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:30,065 We're talking more than a million people. 254 00:11:30,065 --> 00:11:32,943 [speaking Chinese] 255 00:11:32,943 --> 00:11:34,570 [reporter 3] This morning, the government 256 00:11:34,570 --> 00:11:36,864 called it illegal and worse, humiliating. 257 00:11:36,864 --> 00:11:38,615 [reporter 2] The students are now refusing 258 00:11:38,615 --> 00:11:40,868 medical treatment, as well as food and water. 259 00:11:40,868 --> 00:11:42,119 [Christine] They were angry. 260 00:11:42,119 --> 00:11:43,996 They were talking about, 261 00:11:43,996 --> 00:11:46,373 there is no democracy in China, 262 00:11:46,373 --> 00:11:48,041 they want reforms. 263 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:50,711 Not necessarily get rid of the communist party. 264 00:11:52,546 --> 00:11:56,008 [speaking Chinese] 265 00:11:56,550 --> 00:11:58,343 [reporter 1] Crowds began heading towards 266 00:11:58,343 --> 00:12:00,387 Tiananmen Square, to reinforce the students 267 00:12:00,387 --> 00:12:02,306 who have been sitting there for three weeks. 268 00:12:02,306 --> 00:12:04,183 [reporter 2] The students say they're not leaving. 269 00:12:04,183 --> 00:12:06,935 When they demonstrate in Tiananmen Square, 270 00:12:06,935 --> 00:12:08,770 obviously, it's very legit, 271 00:12:08,770 --> 00:12:11,899 it's a symbol of the People's Republic of China. 272 00:12:11,899 --> 00:12:13,734 [gunshots] 273 00:12:13,734 --> 00:12:15,485 [somber music playing] 274 00:12:15,485 --> 00:12:18,030 [reporter 5] At 1:09, all the lights went out 275 00:12:18,030 --> 00:12:19,448 in the west of the city. 276 00:12:19,448 --> 00:12:21,366 It went almost pitch black. 277 00:12:21,366 --> 00:12:23,160 [reporter 3] It was after dark when the first 278 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,038 military convoys got close to Tiananmen Square. 279 00:12:26,038 --> 00:12:29,249 The defiant pro-democracy students held their ground. 280 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:31,126 [reporter 1] Then without warning... 281 00:12:31,126 --> 00:12:32,753 [reporter 3] ...troops opened fire indiscriminately 282 00:12:32,753 --> 00:12:34,630 on a crowd of men, women, and children. 283 00:12:34,630 --> 00:12:36,465 [reporter 4] In the darkness, the sound of gunshots. 284 00:12:36,465 --> 00:12:38,425 [reporter 1] Now, people are running away. 285 00:12:38,425 --> 00:12:41,470 There are thousands of them. In extraordinary numbers. 286 00:12:41,470 --> 00:12:44,723 [reporter 5] Launching into an unarmed civilian population 287 00:12:44,723 --> 00:12:46,433 as if charging into battle. 288 00:12:46,433 --> 00:12:48,060 [reporter 6] Against automatic weapons, 289 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:50,020 the students had only stones to throw. 290 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:51,480 [reporter 2] They just killed another one in the square. 291 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,940 [reporter 1] They rip away his camera 292 00:12:52,940 --> 00:12:54,525 and they're coming for us. 293 00:12:54,525 --> 00:12:56,109 I'll go! I'll go! I'll go! I'll go! 294 00:12:56,818 --> 00:13:01,573 [speaking in French] 295 00:13:01,573 --> 00:13:03,617 [reporter 1] This is New York. Is anybody here? 296 00:13:05,244 --> 00:13:07,162 [reporter 5] How do you feel right now? 297 00:13:07,162 --> 00:13:09,998 Feel right now? I'm very angry. 298 00:13:09,998 --> 00:13:12,042 While other students are dead. 299 00:13:12,042 --> 00:13:14,503 [reporter 5] Ambulances screamed up to the troop line 300 00:13:14,503 --> 00:13:16,255 and were turned away. 301 00:13:16,255 --> 00:13:18,549 Two ambulance drivers were shot and injured. 302 00:13:18,549 --> 00:13:20,217 I don't even wanna call them a government. 303 00:13:20,217 --> 00:13:22,553 This is really-- they are just some beast. 304 00:13:22,553 --> 00:13:23,804 [reporter 5] The bicycle rickshaw 305 00:13:23,804 --> 00:13:25,681 scooped up the injured. 306 00:13:25,681 --> 00:13:28,308 Others were shunted onto bikes and pedaled to hospital. 307 00:13:28,308 --> 00:13:30,686 We should stop this, I mean, everybody just say, 308 00:13:30,686 --> 00:13:32,521 "No, Chinese government, stop this! You can't-- 309 00:13:32,521 --> 00:13:33,772 they can't do this." I-- 310 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,110 [reporter 5] Dawn broke this morning 311 00:13:38,110 --> 00:13:40,737 after a long, loud night. 312 00:13:40,737 --> 00:13:42,364 [reporter 3] We're never going to know what the-- 313 00:13:42,364 --> 00:13:43,907 the true number is, 314 00:13:43,907 --> 00:13:45,742 because the military is recovering 315 00:13:45,742 --> 00:13:47,286 as many bodies as they can, 316 00:13:47,286 --> 00:13:49,371 whisking them away to crematoria, 317 00:13:49,371 --> 00:13:51,540 in an effort to conceal the number. 318 00:13:51,540 --> 00:13:53,834 [reporter 7] Massacre? What massacre? 319 00:13:53,834 --> 00:13:56,211 The Chinese state controlled press says 320 00:13:56,211 --> 00:13:58,297 no one was killed in Tiananmen Square. 321 00:14:00,424 --> 00:14:03,343 I was shocked. 322 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:05,679 As of today, 323 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,932 there is no account how many people died. 324 00:14:08,932 --> 00:14:11,143 Some say thousands. 325 00:14:11,143 --> 00:14:14,771 The Chinese government never released the exact number 326 00:14:14,771 --> 00:14:16,148 of how many people died. 327 00:14:16,648 --> 00:14:18,984 The apparent architect of the Beijing massacre, 328 00:14:18,984 --> 00:14:21,570 hardline Premier Li Peng surfaced 329 00:14:21,570 --> 00:14:24,615 to praise those military units that did his bidding. 330 00:14:24,615 --> 00:14:27,034 He ordered the protest leaders to surrender, 331 00:14:27,034 --> 00:14:29,244 or be tracked down wherever they go. 332 00:14:29,244 --> 00:14:32,122 Nearly everyone connected to the pro-freedom movement 333 00:14:32,122 --> 00:14:33,749 was on the run and hunted. 334 00:14:35,292 --> 00:14:36,668 [Christine] I received a phone call. 335 00:14:37,336 --> 00:14:40,506 Someone asked me, these people, 336 00:14:40,506 --> 00:14:44,009 who are the leader of Tiananmen Square 1989 337 00:14:44,009 --> 00:14:46,053 were forced to leave China. 338 00:14:46,053 --> 00:14:48,555 They have to escape China. 339 00:14:48,555 --> 00:14:51,475 At the time, it was not even refugee, 340 00:14:51,475 --> 00:14:55,062 they called them, uh, political exile. 341 00:14:55,729 --> 00:14:57,314 They contacted me, 342 00:14:57,314 --> 00:15:01,318 because I speak Chinese and I had a camera. 343 00:15:01,318 --> 00:15:02,945 I know how to shoot, you know? 344 00:15:04,029 --> 00:15:06,406 At the time, there were very few people 345 00:15:06,406 --> 00:15:07,783 able to do that, you know? 346 00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:09,910 I didn't get paid. 347 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:12,454 Most of the money went to buying the film 348 00:15:12,454 --> 00:15:15,290 and I think I paid my sound person, you know? 349 00:15:16,333 --> 00:15:20,045 1989, I call you to do the sound. 350 00:15:20,045 --> 00:15:24,341 Oh, oh, for these Chinese people acting up. 351 00:15:24,341 --> 00:15:26,510 But I forgot why they were doing it. 352 00:15:26,510 --> 00:15:28,178 -I forgot. -[Christine] Mm-hmm. 353 00:15:28,178 --> 00:15:30,722 You were doing sound, I was doing camera. 354 00:15:30,722 --> 00:15:33,100 So what do you remember that day, do you? 355 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:34,768 -Do you? -I can tell you. 356 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:36,645 So, there we were. 357 00:15:37,604 --> 00:15:40,315 Out come the Chinese people 358 00:15:40,315 --> 00:15:43,819 and all the press swarms on them. 359 00:15:44,403 --> 00:15:46,947 It was the hottest thing happening at that time. 360 00:15:46,947 --> 00:15:49,116 -Even here in New York. -[Christine] Mm-hmm. 361 00:15:49,116 --> 00:15:50,951 [clamoring] 362 00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:54,830 [pensive music playing] 363 00:16:01,086 --> 00:16:03,380 [Ronald] And this is sound roll one, 364 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:04,840 reference tone with set. 365 00:16:05,549 --> 00:16:07,342 We are on camera roll one. 366 00:16:07,342 --> 00:16:10,095 We are shooting a press conference in Battery Park. 367 00:16:11,263 --> 00:16:13,140 This will be ambienced. 368 00:16:14,558 --> 00:16:16,852 [man] Please, thank you for your cooperation. 369 00:16:16,852 --> 00:16:20,147 Please move, uh, backwards a few steps. Okay? 370 00:16:20,939 --> 00:16:23,692 -Otherwise, I cannot-- -Move back, please! 371 00:16:26,528 --> 00:16:27,863 Please, move back. Okay? 372 00:16:29,156 --> 00:16:32,659 We are so glad to meet this group 373 00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:36,288 of the Chinese leaders who successfully escaped 374 00:16:36,288 --> 00:16:40,209 the persecution of the current Chinese regime. 375 00:16:45,964 --> 00:16:49,218 [speaking Chinese] 376 00:17:24,253 --> 00:17:27,631 [speaking Chinese] 377 00:17:59,413 --> 00:18:03,584 [cheering] 378 00:18:31,570 --> 00:18:35,240 [speaking Chinese] 379 00:18:46,335 --> 00:18:48,295 [Christine] I don't even remember most of them. 380 00:18:48,295 --> 00:18:49,671 [Ronald] Christine, these are your people. 381 00:18:49,671 --> 00:18:50,672 You're supposed to know this shit. 382 00:18:50,672 --> 00:18:52,132 I don't know nothing. 383 00:18:52,132 --> 00:18:53,634 What? It's been sitting in the storage 384 00:18:53,634 --> 00:18:56,094 for 20 some years. Okay? How the fuck I remember? 385 00:18:57,471 --> 00:18:59,765 [cheers] Yay! Ronald! 386 00:19:01,391 --> 00:19:06,563 [speaking Chinese] 387 00:19:13,111 --> 00:19:14,363 Excuse me. 388 00:19:21,662 --> 00:19:24,873 [speaking Chinese] 389 00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:27,334 [Ronald] It's a good chase shot. 390 00:19:29,670 --> 00:19:31,171 That's a tail slated. 391 00:19:31,171 --> 00:19:32,756 The second time we chased the students, 392 00:19:32,756 --> 00:19:33,966 Chris was in front of them. 393 00:19:33,966 --> 00:19:35,509 [loud beep] 394 00:19:35,509 --> 00:19:37,010 Subsequently... 395 00:19:38,554 --> 00:19:41,306 they want me to interview a few leaders. 396 00:19:42,432 --> 00:19:47,104 I ended up in an apartment and there were two reporters, 397 00:19:47,104 --> 00:19:50,107 Howard French from the New York Times 398 00:19:50,107 --> 00:19:52,943 and Melinda Liu from Newsweek 399 00:19:52,943 --> 00:19:57,072 with interviewing this-- you know, this event. 400 00:19:57,656 --> 00:19:59,116 [camera shutter clicking] 401 00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:11,587 So I filmed the New York Times interviewing them. 402 00:20:11,587 --> 00:20:13,297 I filmed Melinda interviewing them. 403 00:20:15,174 --> 00:20:18,635 [speaking Chinese] 404 00:20:51,335 --> 00:20:56,465 [speaking Chinese] 405 00:21:12,439 --> 00:21:14,566 In China's political history, 406 00:21:14,566 --> 00:21:16,944 there have been, uh, political exiles before. 407 00:21:16,944 --> 00:21:20,572 One of the problem is that Chinese are very nationalistic 408 00:21:20,572 --> 00:21:23,033 and it's always important for them to, 409 00:21:23,033 --> 00:21:24,785 you know, have people in China. 410 00:21:24,785 --> 00:21:27,496 How are you going to overcome that-- that obstacle? 411 00:21:27,496 --> 00:21:32,417 [speaking Chinese] 412 00:21:49,893 --> 00:21:54,356 [speaking Chinese] 413 00:22:00,112 --> 00:22:01,446 [camera shutters click] 414 00:22:01,446 --> 00:22:03,073 The idea is more freedom. 415 00:22:04,241 --> 00:22:06,326 More freedom in terms of education. 416 00:22:07,452 --> 00:22:12,124 Not banning all these things, banning the great literature, 417 00:22:12,124 --> 00:22:14,376 rewriting the histories, 418 00:22:14,376 --> 00:22:17,045 no ounce of the material demands. 419 00:22:17,045 --> 00:22:19,256 It's all about intellectual demands. 420 00:22:19,965 --> 00:22:23,594 The first gathering was in Chicago. 421 00:22:23,594 --> 00:22:26,972 So I flew to Chicago and started filming them 422 00:22:26,972 --> 00:22:30,642 and, uh, have no idea who these people were. 423 00:22:30,642 --> 00:22:33,604 You know, all the Chinese look alike. [chuckles] 424 00:22:40,736 --> 00:22:42,821 [man] This is roll number four. 425 00:22:43,405 --> 00:22:46,408 Today's date is 7/28/89. 426 00:22:46,408 --> 00:22:50,078 The first Congress of Chinese students in the US, roll four. 427 00:22:50,078 --> 00:22:51,538 [Christine speaking indistinctly] 428 00:22:51,538 --> 00:22:53,624 [audience cheering] 429 00:22:58,212 --> 00:23:04,092 [speaking Chinese] 430 00:23:04,092 --> 00:23:06,970 [audience cheering] 431 00:23:09,473 --> 00:23:12,059 [Steven] I'm a reporter with the San Francisco Examiner 432 00:23:12,059 --> 00:23:13,727 and I've been following the-- 433 00:23:13,727 --> 00:23:17,856 the China story, the Tiananmen Square massacre. 434 00:23:17,856 --> 00:23:20,108 I think the most interesting story 435 00:23:20,108 --> 00:23:24,655 is watching very inexperienced students 436 00:23:24,655 --> 00:23:29,243 from a communist country trying to practice democracy. 437 00:23:36,375 --> 00:23:38,085 [Steven] It gets real chaotic 438 00:23:38,085 --> 00:23:40,003 and sometimes it doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. 439 00:23:42,089 --> 00:23:44,758 [Steven] There might be 300 students actually voting, 440 00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:47,594 but they're representing, like, 40,000 students. 441 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:50,055 [phone ringing] 442 00:23:50,973 --> 00:23:52,975 Can I do that? Hello? 443 00:23:53,892 --> 00:23:56,645 Certainly, everybody what they want is [indistinct], 444 00:23:56,645 --> 00:23:59,481 but they have different idea about the cons-- constitution. 445 00:23:59,481 --> 00:24:01,275 Okay, thank you. Bye. 446 00:24:04,027 --> 00:24:05,320 Okay. Sorry. 447 00:24:06,238 --> 00:24:09,950 [speaking Chinese] 448 00:24:09,950 --> 00:24:12,744 [Weihe] Well, some-- some students do, uh, 449 00:24:12,744 --> 00:24:14,580 hope to stay here permanently, 450 00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:17,291 but it doesn't mean that they, 451 00:24:17,291 --> 00:24:19,376 or even including myself, 452 00:24:19,376 --> 00:24:21,545 does not want to return to China. 453 00:24:21,545 --> 00:24:25,340 We just don't want to return under the current situation. 454 00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:29,636 I think that I am a Chinese, that cannot be changed, 455 00:24:29,636 --> 00:24:33,807 and that's my responsibility to fight for a better China. 456 00:24:34,433 --> 00:24:36,977 [Hu] And my-- my wife and my daughter, 457 00:24:36,977 --> 00:24:38,478 they're-- they are in Beijing. 458 00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:40,022 Yeah. 459 00:24:40,022 --> 00:24:41,315 I mean, they will come here soon. 460 00:24:42,441 --> 00:24:44,276 I hope. I hope. 461 00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:46,653 I cannot go back. 462 00:24:47,112 --> 00:24:49,114 That's impossible. 463 00:24:49,114 --> 00:24:52,075 It's, um, I cannot do that. 464 00:24:52,075 --> 00:24:54,161 There are some who take this very seriously 465 00:24:54,161 --> 00:24:57,789 and I think they have ambitions of eventually going back 466 00:24:57,789 --> 00:25:00,959 and being those leaders who install a democracy there. 467 00:25:00,959 --> 00:25:03,754 [indistinct chatter] 468 00:25:03,754 --> 00:25:05,339 [host] Sit down. Sit down. 469 00:25:05,339 --> 00:25:08,842 Don't block the cameras behind you, okay? 470 00:25:08,842 --> 00:25:11,678 Mr. Wu'erkaixi to speak to you. 471 00:25:14,181 --> 00:25:16,683 [Steven] There's a fear in-- 472 00:25:16,683 --> 00:25:18,936 in Chinese people right now, 473 00:25:18,936 --> 00:25:22,231 of putting too much emphasis on one person, 474 00:25:22,231 --> 00:25:24,149 like the cult of Mao. 475 00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:27,236 Wu'erkaixi does seem to be that type of person. 476 00:25:27,236 --> 00:25:28,987 He is kind of a cult figure. 477 00:25:28,987 --> 00:25:30,364 I mean, I was amazed at what happened 478 00:25:30,364 --> 00:25:31,782 when he-- he came in 479 00:25:31,782 --> 00:25:34,159 and the kind of response he got. 480 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:35,953 People rushing to the podium practically, 481 00:25:35,953 --> 00:25:37,746 after his speech, to get his autograph. 482 00:25:38,747 --> 00:25:43,293 [speaking Chinese] 483 00:25:55,097 --> 00:25:57,099 [Steven] He has a role to play in the movement. 484 00:25:57,099 --> 00:26:01,353 I think people are aware that he is not all encompassing, 485 00:26:01,353 --> 00:26:03,021 but he's flanked by people 486 00:26:03,021 --> 00:26:05,315 who might have the other qualities needed. 487 00:26:05,315 --> 00:26:09,278 Like Yan Jiaqui, like Wan Runnan, 488 00:26:09,278 --> 00:26:13,031 who's kind of the capitalist of China. 489 00:26:13,031 --> 00:26:16,910 He donated so much money every day to maintain 490 00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:20,038 the-- the demonstration in the squares. 491 00:26:20,706 --> 00:26:24,168 And shows that he had his heart behind the students. 492 00:26:24,168 --> 00:26:29,214 [speaking Chinese] 493 00:26:51,195 --> 00:26:55,407 [speaking Chinese] 494 00:27:07,503 --> 00:27:09,338 [man on TV] The following is a song 495 00:27:09,338 --> 00:27:11,465 by an American musician after the Beijing massacre. 496 00:27:11,465 --> 00:27:16,720 [speaking Chinese on radio] 497 00:27:18,722 --> 00:27:20,390 Okay. 498 00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:22,559 I was moved when I had seen this special bulletin 499 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,770 on June 2nd in Fort Myers, Florida, 500 00:27:24,770 --> 00:27:28,232 and 30 minutes later the song was completely written. 501 00:27:28,232 --> 00:27:30,734 And we wanna let China know through this song 502 00:27:30,734 --> 00:27:33,570 that the United States and the rest of the world 503 00:27:33,570 --> 00:27:35,614 share their tears on their face, 504 00:27:35,614 --> 00:27:37,616 and they do not walk alone. 505 00:27:37,616 --> 00:27:39,076 The chorus part is... 506 00:27:39,618 --> 00:27:43,622 ♪ China, oh, China ♪ 507 00:27:43,622 --> 00:27:48,460 ♪ We share the tears on your face ♪ 508 00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:53,006 ♪ China, we love you! ♪ 509 00:27:53,006 --> 00:27:55,384 ♪ Sincerely ♪ 510 00:27:55,384 --> 00:28:00,097 ♪ The human race ♪ 511 00:28:06,061 --> 00:28:08,522 [Christine] I just filmed and filmed and filmed. 512 00:28:09,439 --> 00:28:13,235 I shot over 50 rows of a 16-millimeter negative... 513 00:28:14,862 --> 00:28:16,989 and the project died. 514 00:28:16,989 --> 00:28:18,699 [record scratches] 515 00:28:18,699 --> 00:28:20,617 [gate clanks] 516 00:28:20,617 --> 00:28:22,286 Why did I stop filming? 517 00:28:22,286 --> 00:28:24,997 Ran out of money. Ran out of film. 518 00:28:25,831 --> 00:28:28,125 You know, the thing is, I was not there. 519 00:28:28,667 --> 00:28:31,170 I was not sitting in demonstration. 520 00:28:31,170 --> 00:28:34,173 I was only documenting when they became exiled. 521 00:28:34,715 --> 00:28:38,260 So, emotionally, I didn't have that 522 00:28:38,260 --> 00:28:40,137 close connection with them. 523 00:28:40,137 --> 00:28:44,683 Just thought it was just a short uprising, 524 00:28:44,683 --> 00:28:46,310 it would die out. 525 00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:49,730 So my footage really didn't mean anything to me 526 00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:51,523 because it will be all resolved. 527 00:28:51,523 --> 00:28:53,192 Everybody's gonna be happy, happy. 528 00:28:54,985 --> 00:28:58,822 [indistinct] year passed, clock started ticking. 529 00:28:58,822 --> 00:29:01,283 Ticking, ticking. 530 00:29:01,283 --> 00:29:04,995 Ten years, 20 years, 27 years. 531 00:29:04,995 --> 00:29:06,496 Wow! 532 00:29:07,456 --> 00:29:09,583 None of these people could go back, 533 00:29:09,583 --> 00:29:11,293 some things are serious. 534 00:29:14,087 --> 00:29:15,172 [loud beep] 535 00:29:19,343 --> 00:29:22,554 So the negative was sitting there for years. 536 00:29:23,180 --> 00:29:26,016 You gotta understand, I still work in China. 537 00:29:27,434 --> 00:29:31,271 [speaking Chinese] 538 00:29:31,271 --> 00:29:33,565 [Christine] By the time I went to China, 539 00:29:33,565 --> 00:29:35,359 2017, 540 00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,737 that's when things were getting really, really scary. 541 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,406 The young people didn't even know it actually happened. 542 00:29:42,157 --> 00:29:44,243 "Your parents never told you?" "No." 543 00:29:44,785 --> 00:29:46,662 "Your school never told you?" "No." 544 00:29:47,246 --> 00:29:49,790 Did not realize, it was completely eliminated 545 00:29:49,790 --> 00:29:51,333 from the history book. 546 00:29:53,502 --> 00:29:57,047 I talked to a Chinese student, 547 00:29:57,047 --> 00:29:59,800 came to NYU in New York. 548 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,344 I said, "How come you don't know about June 4th?" 549 00:30:02,344 --> 00:30:03,971 "There's nobody that talked about it." 550 00:30:03,971 --> 00:30:06,056 I said, "What happen if you talk about it?" 551 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,518 [assistant] They don't know. Right? 552 00:30:09,518 --> 00:30:12,354 No, I'm asking you. It's gonna be a crime? 553 00:30:14,147 --> 00:30:15,899 Get in trouble maybe? 554 00:30:15,899 --> 00:30:17,693 -[Christine] Huh? -Get in trouble. 555 00:30:17,693 --> 00:30:20,863 [Christine] In Chinese, they say [indistinct], 556 00:30:20,863 --> 00:30:22,573 means too sensitive. 557 00:30:22,573 --> 00:30:25,826 Sensitive about what? That's why I'm just puzzled. 558 00:30:26,869 --> 00:30:28,412 [assistant] The history? 559 00:30:28,412 --> 00:30:29,913 [Christine] The history is too sensitive? 560 00:30:30,664 --> 00:30:33,083 I just don't understand the reason, you know. 561 00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:35,878 [assistant] Because you aren't in China. 562 00:30:35,878 --> 00:30:36,920 -Yeah. -[Christine] Okay. 563 00:30:38,005 --> 00:30:39,089 All right. 564 00:30:40,382 --> 00:30:42,509 "Don't talk about Tiananmen Square. 565 00:30:42,509 --> 00:30:46,346 Don't talk about June 4th. It's all past." 566 00:30:46,346 --> 00:30:50,893 Oh, it's all past. It's all gone. It's resolved. 567 00:30:51,977 --> 00:30:54,188 So once everybody says don't, 568 00:30:54,188 --> 00:30:57,482 and you feel like, you know, "Screw you, you know? 569 00:30:58,567 --> 00:30:59,943 You have no basis." 570 00:31:01,111 --> 00:31:03,322 History is history. Fact is fact. 571 00:31:03,864 --> 00:31:06,950 And I think as a filmmaker, 572 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:08,702 as an artist, and, uh, 573 00:31:08,702 --> 00:31:12,331 I think I have a certain responsibility... 574 00:31:13,498 --> 00:31:15,959 to reveal what I have. 575 00:31:15,959 --> 00:31:17,836 And am I taking a position? 576 00:31:19,087 --> 00:31:20,672 I don't know yet. 577 00:31:25,469 --> 00:31:30,307 [speaking Chinese] 578 00:31:42,653 --> 00:31:47,616 [speaking Chinese] 579 00:32:12,558 --> 00:32:16,478 [speaking Chinese] 580 00:32:41,378 --> 00:32:45,382 [speaking Chinese] 581 00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:06,320 [honking] 582 00:33:10,657 --> 00:33:14,661 [motorbikes whirring] 583 00:33:17,539 --> 00:33:19,166 [Christine] Look at all the motorbikes. 584 00:33:20,209 --> 00:33:21,627 Zillions of motorbikes. 585 00:33:21,627 --> 00:33:23,212 This is a good shot. 586 00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:25,255 I-- I'm just telling you, 587 00:33:25,255 --> 00:33:28,425 I have no relationship with Taiwan at all. 588 00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:31,595 I'm here to say hello to Wu'erkaixi. 589 00:33:32,095 --> 00:33:35,140 Show him the picture some 20 some years ago, 590 00:33:35,140 --> 00:33:36,642 I filmed him, that's it. 591 00:33:36,642 --> 00:33:40,437 [Wu'erkaixi speaking Chinese over laptop] 592 00:33:42,648 --> 00:33:47,152 [speaking Chinese] 593 00:33:52,366 --> 00:33:53,575 I said, "You come from the heaven 594 00:33:53,575 --> 00:33:54,910 or come from the dirt." 595 00:33:54,910 --> 00:33:56,453 -Do you like Taiwan? -I love it. 596 00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:57,579 -Yeah? -Yeah. 597 00:33:57,579 --> 00:33:58,997 I told them yesterday, 598 00:33:58,997 --> 00:34:00,624 I said, "This is my enemy country." 599 00:34:00,624 --> 00:34:02,042 [both laugh] 600 00:34:02,709 --> 00:34:07,798 [speaking Chinese] 601 00:34:07,798 --> 00:34:10,175 I remember you, and seeing you in Chicago. 602 00:34:10,175 --> 00:34:12,928 Everybody there, there are like 20 cameras, 603 00:34:12,928 --> 00:34:15,138 and then yours is very different. 604 00:34:15,138 --> 00:34:16,849 "Like, this is not the news crew camera." 605 00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:18,725 -[Christine] Yeah. Yeah. -[Wu'erkaixi laughs] 606 00:34:18,725 --> 00:34:19,768 [beep] 607 00:34:20,435 --> 00:34:22,104 [Christine] I remember also, 608 00:34:22,104 --> 00:34:25,482 right after Battery Park, we went down to Chinatown. 609 00:34:25,482 --> 00:34:28,110 There was some kind of event took place. 610 00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:30,362 -[Wu'erkaixi] Probably. -[crowd applauding] 611 00:34:30,362 --> 00:34:31,572 [Christine] Do you remember that? 612 00:34:31,572 --> 00:34:33,448 [Wu'erkaixi] No, not much. No. 613 00:34:33,448 --> 00:34:36,577 I was just being driven from one place to another. 614 00:34:36,577 --> 00:34:38,287 [Christine] You didn't write diaries? 615 00:34:38,287 --> 00:34:39,746 [Wu'erkaixi] Not those days. 616 00:34:39,746 --> 00:34:43,000 Those days, I'll be really happy 617 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,585 if I can find a peaceful sleep. 618 00:34:44,585 --> 00:34:47,045 [speaking Chinese] 619 00:34:47,045 --> 00:34:50,174 [Wu'erkaixi] We were in a traumatized state, 620 00:34:50,174 --> 00:34:51,884 I think it's fair to say. 621 00:34:51,884 --> 00:34:53,969 [speaking Chinese] 622 00:34:53,969 --> 00:34:55,470 [somber instrumental playing] 623 00:34:55,470 --> 00:34:56,805 [Christine] So you didn't see 624 00:34:56,805 --> 00:34:58,432 -any psychiatrist? -[Wu'erkaixi] No. 625 00:34:58,432 --> 00:35:01,018 [speaking Chinese] 626 00:35:03,437 --> 00:35:05,272 [Wu'erkaixi] The concept that I should have seen 627 00:35:05,272 --> 00:35:06,690 a psychiatrist at that time, 628 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:08,400 I should receive some counseling 629 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,153 only emerged years later. 630 00:35:11,153 --> 00:35:15,157 [excited chatter fades] 631 00:35:18,827 --> 00:35:21,455 [Christine] What happened to your parents in Xizang? 632 00:35:21,455 --> 00:35:22,915 Are they in Xizang? 633 00:35:22,915 --> 00:35:24,666 [Wu'erkaixi] Yeah, they're still in Xizang. 634 00:35:24,666 --> 00:35:26,376 [Christine] So how many years haven't seen them now? 635 00:35:26,376 --> 00:35:27,920 [Wu'erkaixi] Twenty-eight years. 636 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,588 They are prohibited from traveling abroad 637 00:35:29,588 --> 00:35:30,714 because of me. 638 00:35:31,673 --> 00:35:35,677 ♪ 639 00:35:37,262 --> 00:35:38,639 In Taiwan, 640 00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,642 I am a respected political commentator. 641 00:35:41,642 --> 00:35:44,478 I think my political stance, 642 00:35:44,478 --> 00:35:47,940 my ideas about communist party, about China, 643 00:35:47,940 --> 00:35:50,692 can be of a service to Taiwanese people. 644 00:35:50,692 --> 00:35:53,487 But my background, 645 00:35:53,487 --> 00:35:57,241 being a Chinese Tiananmen student movement, 646 00:35:57,241 --> 00:36:01,036 is a-- is a clear, clear, uh, background. 647 00:36:01,036 --> 00:36:02,704 So, clear, it's a baggage. 648 00:36:03,830 --> 00:36:05,582 I decided to turn myself in. 649 00:36:06,166 --> 00:36:08,836 I am on the most wanted list, logically, 650 00:36:08,836 --> 00:36:11,088 if someone on the most wanted list 651 00:36:11,088 --> 00:36:13,715 surrendered himself, he'll be accepted. 652 00:36:16,802 --> 00:36:18,804 I spent a night in a detention in a-- 653 00:36:18,804 --> 00:36:22,516 under the custody of, um, Macau immigration. 654 00:36:22,516 --> 00:36:24,560 I think it's a unique way 655 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,687 to commemorate June 4th. 656 00:36:26,687 --> 00:36:28,522 It's an unthinkable way. 657 00:36:28,522 --> 00:36:29,606 I want to go home. 658 00:36:30,232 --> 00:36:33,777 I want to see my parents, I want to hold them... 659 00:36:35,028 --> 00:36:37,906 kneel down, and say, "I'm sorry." 660 00:36:40,492 --> 00:36:42,911 If I can see them in the prison visit, 661 00:36:42,911 --> 00:36:45,998 at least I can see them face-to-face in the same room. 662 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:48,333 But pretty soon, 663 00:36:48,333 --> 00:36:51,795 I find out my action of turning myself in, 664 00:36:51,795 --> 00:36:54,381 uh, was not accepted. 665 00:36:55,632 --> 00:36:57,301 Chinese citizen. Okay? 666 00:36:57,301 --> 00:37:00,220 I tried a few times after that in United States 667 00:37:00,220 --> 00:37:02,890 trying to get into the Chinese embassy, 668 00:37:02,890 --> 00:37:05,475 in Japan, in Hong Kong, 669 00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:07,477 and all unsuccessful. 670 00:37:07,477 --> 00:37:09,479 Uh, most wanted person 671 00:37:09,479 --> 00:37:11,565 become most unwanted. 672 00:37:13,901 --> 00:37:16,486 We wanted a dialogue in 1989, 673 00:37:16,486 --> 00:37:18,238 that's all we wanted. 674 00:37:18,238 --> 00:37:21,074 Now, many of the students got killed, many got arrested, 675 00:37:21,074 --> 00:37:23,327 and I was driven into exile, 676 00:37:23,327 --> 00:37:25,787 so I am trying to turn myself in, 677 00:37:25,787 --> 00:37:27,873 to try to get 678 00:37:27,873 --> 00:37:31,210 that dialogue, regardless. 679 00:37:31,877 --> 00:37:35,339 [speaking Chinese] 680 00:37:48,227 --> 00:37:49,394 [tape recorder rattles, clicks] 681 00:37:54,107 --> 00:37:57,778 [speaking Chinese] 682 00:38:09,790 --> 00:38:14,753 [speaking Chinese] 683 00:38:24,221 --> 00:38:28,433 [speaking Chinese] 684 00:38:28,433 --> 00:38:30,602 That's a period of time, 685 00:38:30,602 --> 00:38:31,812 everything seems... 686 00:38:33,063 --> 00:38:34,439 blur. 687 00:38:35,816 --> 00:38:37,568 I escaped from a massacre. 688 00:38:38,026 --> 00:38:41,113 In fact, I was quite surprised to see that footage 689 00:38:41,113 --> 00:38:44,950 and realize that my answers wasn't all that bad. 690 00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:47,744 [laughing] No, you were really articulate. 691 00:38:47,744 --> 00:38:49,121 No, uh, thanks. 692 00:38:49,121 --> 00:38:50,747 [Christine] Extremely articulate. 693 00:38:50,747 --> 00:38:52,040 [Wu'erkaixi] Thanks, uh, but what I'm trying to say 694 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,918 is that I couldn't imagine how... 695 00:38:57,254 --> 00:38:58,589 how did I do it? 696 00:38:58,589 --> 00:39:02,426 [crowd applauding] 697 00:39:03,552 --> 00:39:08,640 [speaking Chinese] 698 00:39:26,992 --> 00:39:28,994 [crowd applauding] 699 00:39:28,994 --> 00:39:31,121 -It is a historical material. -Thank you. 700 00:39:31,121 --> 00:39:33,248 Don't you think? It's very valuable. 701 00:39:33,248 --> 00:39:35,667 And now, uh, twenty, some eight years ago, 702 00:39:35,667 --> 00:39:38,921 I'm coming back to Taiwan to interview you, you know? 703 00:39:38,921 --> 00:39:43,175 That, in itself, is for the Chinese position, 704 00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:44,927 it's a political act. 705 00:39:44,927 --> 00:39:49,014 The material, the-- the treasure that you have 706 00:39:49,014 --> 00:39:50,891 is considered poisonous to them, 707 00:39:50,891 --> 00:39:52,559 they wish it never existed. 708 00:39:55,062 --> 00:39:56,480 [Christine] I'm not really afraid. 709 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,106 -I'm not. -[Wu'erkaixi] Yeah, I know. 710 00:39:58,106 --> 00:40:01,443 I think if you start being afraid of your life, 711 00:40:01,443 --> 00:40:03,195 afraid of some, you know-- 712 00:40:03,195 --> 00:40:05,739 you know, like, a government, you know, 713 00:40:05,739 --> 00:40:09,243 watching you, then what's the point to live? 714 00:40:09,243 --> 00:40:13,247 [bell chiming distantly] 715 00:40:20,003 --> 00:40:23,257 [speaking Chinese] 716 00:40:23,257 --> 00:40:27,302 [indistinct chatter] 717 00:40:29,221 --> 00:40:33,225 [somber instrumental playing] 718 00:40:34,434 --> 00:40:39,773 [speaking Chinese] 719 00:40:48,365 --> 00:40:51,243 [speaking Chinese] 720 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,058 [speaking Chinese] 721 00:41:34,036 --> 00:41:38,582 [speaking Chinese] 722 00:41:49,885 --> 00:41:54,806 [speaking Chinese] 723 00:42:12,824 --> 00:42:16,411 [speaking Chinese] 724 00:42:28,173 --> 00:42:29,424 [Wu'erkaixi] I am an exile. 725 00:42:29,424 --> 00:42:33,053 I cannot afford to lose my hope. 726 00:42:33,053 --> 00:42:36,932 But if I had known these are the consequences, 727 00:42:36,932 --> 00:42:38,141 would I do it again? 728 00:42:39,351 --> 00:42:41,854 The very honest answer will be, "I don't know." 729 00:42:48,527 --> 00:42:49,570 Okay. 730 00:42:50,112 --> 00:42:51,697 It's really good to see you. [laughs] 731 00:42:51,697 --> 00:42:53,574 -Yeah. Keep in touch, okay? -Will do that. 732 00:42:53,574 --> 00:42:54,825 -Yes, let's do that. -[Christine] Bye. 733 00:42:54,825 --> 00:42:56,243 [Wu'erkaixi] Safe journey. 734 00:42:56,243 --> 00:42:59,997 [contemplating instrumental playing] 735 00:43:02,583 --> 00:43:05,752 -[tape recorder whirring] -[indistinct chatter] 736 00:43:05,752 --> 00:43:09,631 Oh, I should get paid for talking. 737 00:43:09,631 --> 00:43:13,635 [energetic drum instrumental playing] 738 00:43:14,178 --> 00:43:16,805 [Christine] All right, I recall 739 00:43:16,805 --> 00:43:19,266 it was a really, really hot day 740 00:43:19,266 --> 00:43:22,311 and they had a car pick me up, 741 00:43:22,311 --> 00:43:24,855 and, uh, we were blindfolded. 742 00:43:26,148 --> 00:43:28,609 And I ask, "Why are we blindfolded?" 743 00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:30,652 They said, "Because we don't want you to know 744 00:43:30,652 --> 00:43:32,404 where you're going." 745 00:43:32,404 --> 00:43:34,239 -[tires screeching] -You know, when I'm in the car, 746 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,492 usually I think-- I fantasize a lot of things, you know? 747 00:43:38,035 --> 00:43:40,037 Maybe I was fantasizing 748 00:43:40,037 --> 00:43:42,247 the place we're supposed to be. 749 00:43:42,247 --> 00:43:43,999 What would it look like? 750 00:43:43,999 --> 00:43:47,294 And then we arrived, and I took off my blindfold. 751 00:43:48,462 --> 00:43:50,255 I didn't know where was-- where was I, 752 00:43:50,255 --> 00:43:51,798 but I didn't even care. 753 00:43:52,257 --> 00:43:54,593 During the daytime, we went to the beach, 754 00:43:54,593 --> 00:43:58,305 and we filmed a little bit, and it was so hot. 755 00:43:58,305 --> 00:44:00,349 It's, like, almost 100 degree. 756 00:44:00,349 --> 00:44:02,351 Thank God, I brought my bathing suit. 757 00:44:02,351 --> 00:44:03,977 So, I filmed the whole... 758 00:44:03,977 --> 00:44:07,064 [laughing] ...whole thing with my bathing suit on. 759 00:44:08,023 --> 00:44:09,399 [man] This is sound roll 13. 760 00:44:09,399 --> 00:44:10,859 We're on the beach with the Chinese 761 00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:12,361 on Long Island. 762 00:44:12,361 --> 00:44:13,654 [Christine] I'm terrified of the water. 763 00:44:13,654 --> 00:44:15,322 I'm-- I can't swim. 764 00:44:15,322 --> 00:44:17,824 [man] Tale of beach shot. The guys are in the water. 765 00:44:24,081 --> 00:44:25,123 [laughs] 766 00:44:26,124 --> 00:44:29,586 [speaking Chinese] 767 00:44:41,014 --> 00:44:46,478 [speaking Chinese] 768 00:45:05,455 --> 00:45:10,210 [speaking Chinese] 769 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,064 [speaking Chinese] 770 00:45:40,866 --> 00:45:44,745 [speaking Chinese] 771 00:45:48,624 --> 00:45:50,626 [Christine] Yan Jiaqi, I met him, 772 00:45:50,626 --> 00:45:54,463 he was thin, and he was an intellectual. 773 00:45:54,463 --> 00:45:57,883 I found him really honest. 774 00:45:58,509 --> 00:46:03,013 Really want to tell people his story. 775 00:46:03,722 --> 00:46:04,765 [beep] 776 00:46:06,517 --> 00:46:08,477 [speaking Chinese] 777 00:46:22,824 --> 00:46:25,494 [speaking Chinese] 778 00:46:39,299 --> 00:46:44,096 [speaking Chinese] 779 00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:08,161 [speaking Chinese] 780 00:47:13,625 --> 00:47:14,960 [beeping] 781 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:20,090 [speaking Chinese] 782 00:47:32,019 --> 00:47:36,565 [speaking Chinese] 783 00:47:51,455 --> 00:47:55,542 [Christine] I recall he felt extremely guilty 784 00:47:55,542 --> 00:47:57,044 towards his wife, 785 00:47:57,044 --> 00:47:59,796 because he asked the wife 786 00:47:59,796 --> 00:48:03,550 to come out with him, and left the son there. 787 00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:11,016 [speaking Chinese] 788 00:48:30,869 --> 00:48:35,123 [speaking Chinese] 789 00:48:53,225 --> 00:48:57,396 [speaking Chinese] 790 00:48:57,396 --> 00:48:58,438 [beep] 791 00:49:05,404 --> 00:49:08,824 [speaking Chinese] 792 00:49:25,340 --> 00:49:30,220 [speaking Chinese] 793 00:49:41,023 --> 00:49:44,234 [piano melody playing] 794 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,158 [speaking Chinese] 795 00:50:12,387 --> 00:50:16,600 [speaking Chinese] 796 00:50:29,613 --> 00:50:33,283 [speaking Chinese] 797 00:50:42,876 --> 00:50:44,753 [projector clicking] 798 00:50:47,631 --> 00:50:51,009 [speaking Chinese] 799 00:50:59,351 --> 00:51:00,769 That's great. 800 00:51:00,769 --> 00:51:03,021 [speaking Chinese] 801 00:51:10,654 --> 00:51:13,156 He got kicked out from the communist party. 802 00:51:13,156 --> 00:51:16,243 [speaking Chinese] 803 00:51:16,243 --> 00:51:17,536 [man] I can't believe you [indistinct]. 804 00:51:17,536 --> 00:51:18,620 I can't believe you [indistinct]. 805 00:51:19,162 --> 00:51:20,205 [man] That's amazing. 806 00:51:21,164 --> 00:51:25,252 [Christine] 30 years ago, he wrote that 30 years ago. 807 00:51:25,252 --> 00:51:29,089 [calm piano instrumental playing] 808 00:51:30,007 --> 00:51:36,597 [speaking Chinese] 809 00:51:44,521 --> 00:51:49,443 [speaking Chinese] 810 00:52:17,346 --> 00:52:21,350 [playful instrumental playing] 811 00:52:22,184 --> 00:52:25,938 [crowd applauding] 812 00:52:27,397 --> 00:52:30,609 [speaking Chinese] 813 00:53:02,224 --> 00:53:06,645 [speaking Chinese] 814 00:53:15,487 --> 00:53:18,490 ♪ 815 00:53:24,162 --> 00:53:28,292 [speaking Chinese] 816 00:53:50,272 --> 00:53:54,234 [speaking Chinese] 817 00:54:22,846 --> 00:54:26,099 [speaking Chinese] 818 00:54:34,566 --> 00:54:37,903 [Chinese vocal music playing over TV] 819 00:54:51,208 --> 00:54:54,002 [speaking Chinese] 820 00:55:17,067 --> 00:55:19,361 [speaking Chinese] 821 00:55:28,704 --> 00:55:32,666 [soft piano instrumental playing] 822 00:55:57,357 --> 00:56:00,194 [speaking Chinese] 823 00:56:10,954 --> 00:56:14,374 [tape recorder whirring] 824 00:56:20,214 --> 00:56:21,924 [long beep] 825 00:56:22,591 --> 00:56:23,842 [man] Roll 16. 826 00:56:23,842 --> 00:56:25,344 [beep] 827 00:56:27,346 --> 00:56:31,350 [dramatic piano instrumental playing] 828 00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:37,064 [indistinct chatter] 829 00:56:59,127 --> 00:57:03,757 [speaking Chinese] 830 00:57:16,395 --> 00:57:22,192 [speaking Chinese] 831 00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:35,038 [crowd shouting over TV] 832 00:57:36,373 --> 00:57:42,045 [speaking Chinese] 833 00:58:38,060 --> 00:58:43,273 [speaking Chinese] 834 00:59:12,636 --> 00:59:18,892 [speaking Chinese] 835 00:59:41,498 --> 00:59:45,711 [tape recorder whirring] 836 00:59:45,711 --> 00:59:47,337 [interviewer] Do you think the exiles regret 837 00:59:47,337 --> 00:59:49,548 participating in the democracy movement? 838 00:59:50,340 --> 00:59:51,341 You ask me? 839 00:59:52,676 --> 00:59:55,721 No, I think the answer is, 840 00:59:55,721 --> 00:59:57,514 they have to give to us. 841 00:59:58,724 --> 01:00:01,393 I can't tell. Yeah. 842 01:00:01,393 --> 01:00:03,937 Do I regret to come to America? 843 01:00:04,646 --> 01:00:05,939 No. 844 01:00:05,939 --> 01:00:08,734 Do I regret leaving China? No. 845 01:00:08,734 --> 01:00:10,736 Do I regret 846 01:00:10,736 --> 01:00:12,946 getting married, divorce? 847 01:00:12,946 --> 01:00:13,989 No. 848 01:00:14,656 --> 01:00:17,367 When you make this kind of critical decision 849 01:00:17,367 --> 01:00:18,744 as an individual, 850 01:00:18,744 --> 01:00:21,371 you already know the consequences. 851 01:00:21,371 --> 01:00:25,417 Perhaps not clearly written black and white, 852 01:00:25,417 --> 01:00:27,544 but you know, there will be con-- 853 01:00:27,544 --> 01:00:29,087 consequences. 854 01:00:29,087 --> 01:00:31,089 And I think applies to all three of them. 855 01:00:31,673 --> 01:00:33,592 I don't think that China even allowed 856 01:00:33,592 --> 01:00:35,511 to have their coffin to be shipped back. 857 01:00:38,055 --> 01:00:39,389 Maybe the ashes. 858 01:00:41,266 --> 01:00:44,686 Maybe I can bring the ashes, spread into the hometown. 859 01:00:45,687 --> 01:00:47,064 I don't think 860 01:00:47,064 --> 01:00:48,440 that I'm called the revolutionary. 861 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:49,900 I-- I think I'm pretty patriotic. 862 01:00:50,359 --> 01:00:52,194 The reason I'm gonna make this film 863 01:00:52,194 --> 01:00:54,404 is because, come on, 864 01:00:54,404 --> 01:00:57,449 this is the love of China. 865 01:00:57,449 --> 01:00:59,076 This is what happened in China. 866 01:00:59,076 --> 01:01:02,579 ["The Four Seasons, Summer" playing on violin] 867 01:01:07,709 --> 01:01:13,507 [speaking Chinese] 868 01:01:33,861 --> 01:01:35,445 [camera clicking] 869 01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:51,420 [speaking Chinese] 870 01:02:09,563 --> 01:02:13,025 [speaking Chinese] 871 01:02:47,643 --> 01:02:51,230 [music ends] 872 01:02:57,402 --> 01:03:01,406 [car beeping] 873 01:03:10,707 --> 01:03:13,919 [speaking Chinese] 874 01:03:39,444 --> 01:03:43,407 [calm instrumental playing] 875 01:03:43,407 --> 01:03:47,494 [tape recorder whirring] 876 01:03:47,494 --> 01:03:49,454 [car engine whirring] 877 01:03:49,454 --> 01:03:50,497 [car door clicks open] 878 01:03:51,331 --> 01:03:55,752 [speaking Chinese] 879 01:04:11,768 --> 01:04:13,478 The-- the friends, he says he still 880 01:04:13,478 --> 01:04:15,189 hangs out with the Chinese. 881 01:04:15,189 --> 01:04:17,274 I said that's what the problem with the Chinese is. 882 01:04:28,660 --> 01:04:31,079 -[man laughs] -Wow. 883 01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:34,124 Really good. Sweet and sour, like life. 884 01:04:36,460 --> 01:04:38,504 Wow, in the backyard... 885 01:04:39,796 --> 01:04:41,298 he's got more shit. 886 01:04:41,298 --> 01:04:43,509 More, you know, vegan stuff, you know. 887 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,096 [chickens clucking] 888 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,558 [laughs] 889 01:05:22,214 --> 01:05:25,050 [birds chirping] 890 01:05:27,511 --> 01:05:32,391 [speaking Chinese] 891 01:05:48,782 --> 01:05:53,787 [speaking Chinese] 892 01:05:58,125 --> 01:06:02,838 [somber music plays] 893 01:06:05,382 --> 01:06:08,886 [speaking Chinese] 894 01:07:44,857 --> 01:07:51,029 [speaking Chinese] 895 01:08:32,821 --> 01:08:36,533 [speaking Chinese] 896 01:09:05,812 --> 01:09:08,440 [Christine] I was thinking if I was in his shoes, 897 01:09:08,440 --> 01:09:09,608 what would I do? 898 01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,568 Really, what I would do. 899 01:09:12,653 --> 01:09:14,029 I probably would join 900 01:09:14,029 --> 01:09:16,114 the Tiananmen Square, personally. 901 01:09:16,114 --> 01:09:18,033 You know, I would, you know. 902 01:09:19,368 --> 01:09:22,371 But if, uh, the situation 903 01:09:22,371 --> 01:09:25,332 took 30 years of being an exile, 904 01:09:25,332 --> 01:09:28,418 I think I would have to come to Paris. [laughs] 905 01:09:29,044 --> 01:09:32,631 Well, I would not do the gardening, for sure, 906 01:09:32,631 --> 01:09:35,509 because whatever you plant, nothing grows, okay? 907 01:09:35,509 --> 01:09:37,678 I would not write poetry, 908 01:09:37,678 --> 01:09:39,930 because neither my Chinese 909 01:09:39,930 --> 01:09:42,558 nor my English, zero French. 910 01:09:42,558 --> 01:09:45,769 So literally speaking, I'm not even capable 911 01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:48,355 of writing one line poetry, all right? 912 01:09:48,355 --> 01:09:51,608 But I can have a good time having a camera, 913 01:09:51,608 --> 01:09:54,903 able to make a film, able to document 914 01:09:54,903 --> 01:09:56,947 whatever's happening surrounding you. 915 01:09:56,947 --> 01:09:59,199 And I'm thinking that's the best outlet. 916 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:00,909 I don't need a shrink for that. 917 01:10:03,954 --> 01:10:08,500 [speaking Chinese] 918 01:10:17,176 --> 01:10:18,719 [indistinct] 919 01:10:20,137 --> 01:10:21,972 [indistinct] 920 01:10:21,972 --> 01:10:24,099 [Christine] Where are you taking this film? 921 01:10:25,767 --> 01:10:26,810 What's next? 922 01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,397 You know, I don't have other talents, 923 01:10:30,397 --> 01:10:32,691 otherwise, I can do little a dance, 924 01:10:32,691 --> 01:10:34,818 a little karaoke. 925 01:10:34,818 --> 01:10:36,695 I'm a little more entertainment, 926 01:10:36,695 --> 01:10:38,071 but I don't have a name. 927 01:10:38,071 --> 01:10:39,823 So I don't know what's your plan, 928 01:10:39,823 --> 01:10:40,866 how are you gonna-- 929 01:10:41,867 --> 01:10:43,410 how are you gonna tell 930 01:10:43,410 --> 01:10:45,829 the American audience this is a true story 931 01:10:45,829 --> 01:10:47,581 aside from the foolish you have. 932 01:10:48,123 --> 01:10:49,791 But also, historically, 933 01:10:49,791 --> 01:10:52,836 more than 10% of the American 934 01:10:52,836 --> 01:10:55,547 never even left their-- their own hometown, 935 01:10:55,547 --> 01:10:57,299 their own states. 936 01:10:57,299 --> 01:11:00,219 They-- they live in this world of a dream. 937 01:11:01,345 --> 01:11:03,430 [man reporter] Turmoil in China where Americans 938 01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:05,641 jammed Beijing airport today for flights 939 01:11:05,641 --> 01:11:07,392 out of the chaos and killing. 940 01:11:07,392 --> 01:11:09,061 [woman reporter] Foreign students, tourists, 941 01:11:09,061 --> 01:11:10,562 and business travelers, all trying 942 01:11:10,562 --> 01:11:11,980 to leave the country. 943 01:11:11,980 --> 01:11:13,315 US citizens going on 944 01:11:13,315 --> 01:11:14,983 the United Airlines charter flights. 945 01:11:14,983 --> 01:11:16,735 The Russians were out three days ago. 946 01:11:16,735 --> 01:11:18,570 Japanese got out yesterday. 947 01:11:18,570 --> 01:11:20,113 We were running roadblocks. 948 01:11:20,113 --> 01:11:22,324 We were taking high risk to get Americans out. 949 01:11:22,324 --> 01:11:23,867 [man] It's horrific what they-- 950 01:11:23,867 --> 01:11:25,410 they just act-- they were so slow. 951 01:11:25,410 --> 01:11:27,454 The bottom line is that I am out of China. 952 01:11:27,454 --> 01:11:30,123 And everybody I think who wanted to be out of China 953 01:11:30,123 --> 01:11:31,708 is out of China. 954 01:11:31,708 --> 01:11:33,627 Good to get back. I'm too old to be doing this. 955 01:11:33,627 --> 01:11:35,003 [man reporter] There is no rescue 956 01:11:35,003 --> 01:11:37,130 for pro-democracy students 957 01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:39,424 now on the run from Chinese police. 958 01:11:40,133 --> 01:11:42,344 [man] At that time, uh, 959 01:11:42,344 --> 01:11:45,347 America represents advancement. 960 01:11:45,347 --> 01:11:47,474 People's feeling toward America was very, 961 01:11:47,474 --> 01:11:49,601 very positive during the '80s. 962 01:11:49,601 --> 01:11:52,563 [chanting indistinctly] 963 01:11:52,563 --> 01:11:55,023 [woman reporter] Nearly 20,000 Chinese Americans 964 01:11:55,023 --> 01:11:56,692 marched in a downpour 965 01:11:56,692 --> 01:11:58,443 through the streets of New York's Chinatown, 966 01:11:58,443 --> 01:11:59,945 denouncing Li Peng 967 01:11:59,945 --> 01:12:01,780 and Deng Xiaoping as murderers. 968 01:12:01,780 --> 01:12:04,616 -Stop the killing! -[crowd] Stop the killing! 969 01:12:04,616 --> 01:12:06,910 [man] Because of the student movement in Beijing, 970 01:12:07,536 --> 01:12:10,789 all the students from different part 971 01:12:10,789 --> 01:12:12,958 of the United States have decided to form 972 01:12:12,958 --> 01:12:14,501 this independent federation 973 01:12:14,501 --> 01:12:16,336 for Chinese students and scholars. 974 01:12:16,336 --> 01:12:19,548 [speaking Chinese] 975 01:12:40,444 --> 01:12:43,989 [Margaret] We think that it's a very clouded situation 976 01:12:43,989 --> 01:12:45,657 and that we aren't in a position to judge 977 01:12:45,657 --> 01:12:49,786 at this time who-- who is in charge of what. 978 01:12:49,786 --> 01:12:51,455 And to be perfectly honest for you, 979 01:12:51,455 --> 01:12:53,165 it seems to me that that would be something 980 01:12:53,165 --> 01:12:55,209 the Chinese should be telling us 981 01:12:55,209 --> 01:12:57,419 versus us trying to sit back here and guess. 982 01:12:57,419 --> 01:12:59,546 One thing I learned about democracy 983 01:12:59,546 --> 01:13:03,217 is that it's very shortsighted. 984 01:13:03,217 --> 01:13:05,344 Four years, that's it. 985 01:13:05,344 --> 01:13:07,054 For the next reelection. 986 01:13:07,054 --> 01:13:08,639 [announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, 987 01:13:08,639 --> 01:13:10,432 the president of the United States. 988 01:13:11,099 --> 01:13:12,559 [woman reporter] Mr. President, back to China. 989 01:13:12,559 --> 01:13:14,603 If we find out that the people 990 01:13:14,603 --> 01:13:17,231 who perpetrated the killings 991 01:13:17,231 --> 01:13:18,607 in Tiananmen Square 992 01:13:18,607 --> 01:13:20,025 and were rounding up these students 993 01:13:20,025 --> 01:13:22,027 are running the government, 994 01:13:22,027 --> 01:13:23,570 can the United States 995 01:13:23,570 --> 01:13:26,990 maintain fairly normal relationships with them, 996 01:13:26,990 --> 01:13:29,409 given our aim to foster human rights 997 01:13:29,409 --> 01:13:31,036 and promote democracy? 998 01:13:31,036 --> 01:13:32,496 It would make it extraordinarily difficult. 999 01:13:32,496 --> 01:13:34,540 But the question is so hypothetical 1000 01:13:34,540 --> 01:13:36,333 that I'm gonna avoid answering it directly. 1001 01:13:36,333 --> 01:13:38,710 [Charles] Earlier, you sir, you made reference 1002 01:13:38,710 --> 01:13:40,546 to Deng Xiaoping suggesting 1003 01:13:40,546 --> 01:13:42,464 that he may, if I read you right, 1004 01:13:42,464 --> 01:13:44,883 not necessarily have been responsible for the actions. 1005 01:13:44,883 --> 01:13:46,635 What were you trying to say? 1006 01:13:46,635 --> 01:13:47,970 -Do you have information that-- -I was trying to say 1007 01:13:47,970 --> 01:13:49,388 that I don't know. 1008 01:13:49,388 --> 01:13:50,764 And I'm trying to say you don't know. 1009 01:13:50,764 --> 01:13:52,474 And he doesn't know. She doesn't know. 1010 01:13:52,474 --> 01:13:54,685 And nobody knows outside. 1011 01:13:54,685 --> 01:13:57,688 And that's the way the Chinese system works. 1012 01:13:57,688 --> 01:14:00,023 The Chinese government covered everything up, 1013 01:14:00,023 --> 01:14:01,900 so it no longer exists. 1014 01:14:01,900 --> 01:14:04,278 We have this history, it... 1015 01:14:04,278 --> 01:14:06,572 [blows] ...evaporated. 1016 01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:09,032 The Bush administration says 1017 01:14:09,032 --> 01:14:10,742 that they don't wanna undermine 1018 01:14:10,742 --> 01:14:12,953 17 years of diplomacy, 1019 01:14:12,953 --> 01:14:15,247 just because of one weekend. 1020 01:14:15,247 --> 01:14:16,957 In the conduct of foreign policy, 1021 01:14:16,957 --> 01:14:18,917 we have to look at our long-term national interest. 1022 01:14:19,710 --> 01:14:22,296 And we should not become a party 1023 01:14:22,296 --> 01:14:23,922 to the internal fight 1024 01:14:23,922 --> 01:14:25,841 that is now going to happen in China. 1025 01:14:25,841 --> 01:14:28,051 And from this point of view that I am pragmatic, 1026 01:14:28,051 --> 01:14:29,636 not from the moral point of view. 1027 01:14:29,636 --> 01:14:31,305 [camera shutters clicking] 1028 01:14:31,305 --> 01:14:34,975 [speaking Chinese] 1029 01:15:21,813 --> 01:15:23,315 [Wu'erkaixi] The last, uh, 30 years 1030 01:15:23,315 --> 01:15:25,025 the communist party have done their best 1031 01:15:25,025 --> 01:15:27,903 to implement fear in China. 1032 01:15:27,903 --> 01:15:29,029 And they did it well. 1033 01:15:29,696 --> 01:15:32,282 The world is seeing a kind of totalitarianism 1034 01:15:32,282 --> 01:15:34,076 as just never seen before. 1035 01:15:34,076 --> 01:15:36,328 In the past when we tried to inspire people to-- 1036 01:15:36,328 --> 01:15:38,080 to fight against the communist party, 1037 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,915 I used to say one line. 1038 01:15:39,915 --> 01:15:43,043 I say, you know, they just don't have enough prison cells 1039 01:15:43,043 --> 01:15:44,461 to lock everybody up. 1040 01:15:44,461 --> 01:15:45,879 But then they said, "You know what? 1041 01:15:45,879 --> 01:15:47,923 We will show you-- we're gonna build, 1042 01:15:47,923 --> 01:15:49,591 um, a concentration camp." 1043 01:15:49,591 --> 01:15:52,135 They can take in millions of people. 1044 01:15:52,135 --> 01:15:55,556 And they have done that with the world's appeasement. 1045 01:15:56,265 --> 01:15:57,474 Pressure works. 1046 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,185 Apply pressure! 1047 01:16:00,185 --> 01:16:01,603 [Christine] But who's gonna exert 1048 01:16:01,603 --> 01:16:03,272 international pressure at this time? 1049 01:16:03,272 --> 01:16:05,023 [Wu'erkaixi] The international community. 1050 01:16:05,023 --> 01:16:06,525 [Christine] The United Nations couldn't because China 1051 01:16:06,525 --> 01:16:09,027 is sitting on a security council, hello! 1052 01:16:09,027 --> 01:16:10,696 [Wu'erkaixi] How about United States? 1053 01:16:10,696 --> 01:16:12,781 United States is a chicken shit. 1054 01:16:12,781 --> 01:16:14,283 -[Wu'erkaixi laughs] -It's a very, 1055 01:16:14,283 --> 01:16:17,160 very self-interested nation. 1056 01:16:17,828 --> 01:16:19,288 They really do nothing, 1057 01:16:19,288 --> 01:16:21,540 but them about anybody else, okay? 1058 01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:28,046 [speaking Chinese] 1059 01:16:49,568 --> 01:16:51,361 [Christine] First of all, mind you. 1060 01:16:51,361 --> 01:16:54,239 We didn't know anything about America when I grew up, 1061 01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:57,451 because your country and my country now 1062 01:16:57,451 --> 01:17:00,662 is the imperialist country. 1063 01:17:00,662 --> 01:17:03,415 They are evil, evil, evil. 1064 01:17:04,082 --> 01:17:06,752 I was 14 when I came to United States. 1065 01:17:06,752 --> 01:17:10,672 America was the leading advocate 1066 01:17:10,672 --> 01:17:13,300 for individualism. 1067 01:17:13,300 --> 01:17:14,968 You know, "I'm better than you are. 1068 01:17:14,968 --> 01:17:15,928 You are better than them." 1069 01:17:16,595 --> 01:17:20,140 Competition is the basic capitalist formula 1070 01:17:20,140 --> 01:17:23,310 to advance people who can make money, right? 1071 01:17:23,894 --> 01:17:27,064 1% of the population makes all the money. 1072 01:17:27,064 --> 01:17:29,525 It causes a lot of ramification, 1073 01:17:29,525 --> 01:17:32,236 a lot of problem, a lot of conflict. 1074 01:17:32,236 --> 01:17:33,862 China didn't have a class. 1075 01:17:33,862 --> 01:17:36,949 China is a class. You know, everybody was poor. 1076 01:17:37,407 --> 01:17:39,993 You know, we studied the electrical materialism... 1077 01:17:41,161 --> 01:17:42,704 when you were easy bit, okay? 1078 01:17:42,704 --> 01:17:43,997 You memorized the whole thing. 1079 01:17:43,997 --> 01:17:46,083 Little red book, you memorize it. 1080 01:17:46,083 --> 01:17:47,417 Now, today, China... 1081 01:17:48,794 --> 01:17:50,587 majority of the people, 1082 01:17:50,587 --> 01:17:53,006 just following the party-- what the party says, 1083 01:17:53,006 --> 01:17:55,008 because there is no frame of reference. 1084 01:17:55,843 --> 01:17:57,803 And that is not communism. 1085 01:17:57,803 --> 01:18:01,348 That was not what Lenin, you know, was proclaiming. 1086 01:18:01,348 --> 01:18:04,268 It's about the power to the proletariats. 1087 01:18:04,268 --> 01:18:06,812 If you wanna progress, 1088 01:18:06,812 --> 01:18:08,564 people have to think. 1089 01:18:08,564 --> 01:18:10,691 Analyzing the past, 1090 01:18:10,691 --> 01:18:13,694 learn from the past, and move forward. 1091 01:18:13,694 --> 01:18:17,281 When you don't have any more past left, 1092 01:18:17,281 --> 01:18:18,866 how can you move forward? 1093 01:18:20,909 --> 01:18:21,952 You tell me. 1094 01:18:22,744 --> 01:18:24,788 -[chuckles] -[tape rolling] 1095 01:18:24,788 --> 01:18:26,790 [crowd singing] 1096 01:19:01,325 --> 01:19:07,831 [speaking Chinese] 1097 01:20:44,344 --> 01:20:46,597 [pensive music playing] 1098 01:20:47,973 --> 01:20:49,933 [man reporter]   Next, house Speaker Nancy Pelosi 1099 01:20:49,933 --> 01:20:53,353 testifies at a joint hearing on the 30th anniversary 1100 01:20:53,353 --> 01:20:55,689 of the Tiananmen Square protest in China. 1101 01:20:56,273 --> 01:20:58,609 Following her testimony, a panel of former 1102 01:20:58,609 --> 01:21:00,944 Chinese student leaders and other experts 1103 01:21:00,944 --> 01:21:03,071 discuss China's human rights abuses, 1104 01:21:03,071 --> 01:21:05,532 including imprisonment of activists 1105 01:21:05,532 --> 01:21:07,659 and censorship of free speech. 1106 01:21:10,204 --> 01:21:12,915 [Nancy] Today we remember the brutal massacre 1107 01:21:12,915 --> 01:21:14,499 that the Chinese government committed 1108 01:21:14,499 --> 01:21:16,960 against its own people 30 years ago. 1109 01:21:17,419 --> 01:21:20,172 We remember the courage of the students, workers, 1110 01:21:20,172 --> 01:21:23,467 and citizens who peacefully defied an oppressive regime 1111 01:21:23,467 --> 01:21:25,302 to demand the liberties and human rights 1112 01:21:25,302 --> 01:21:27,095 that they deserved. 1113 01:21:27,095 --> 01:21:29,765 We all remember that they raised the goddess of democracy 1114 01:21:29,765 --> 01:21:33,143 in the image of our own Statue of Liberty, 1115 01:21:33,143 --> 01:21:35,771 how they quoted our founders, how the tanks and troops 1116 01:21:35,771 --> 01:21:38,607 crushed their protest, but could not extinguish 1117 01:21:38,607 --> 01:21:40,984 the flame of freedom burning in their hearts. 1118 01:21:41,485 --> 01:21:44,488 It's important for the world to know 30 years later, 1119 01:21:44,488 --> 01:21:47,449 that we haven't forgotten what happened then, 1120 01:21:47,449 --> 01:21:49,910 and that we know what is happening now. 1121 01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:51,537 In the era of high-tech social control, 1122 01:21:51,537 --> 01:21:53,288 there is a direct line of repression, 1123 01:21:53,288 --> 01:21:55,499 linking the Tank Man and the internment 1124 01:21:55,499 --> 01:21:57,042 of over one million Uyghurs 1125 01:21:57,042 --> 01:21:58,794 and other predominantly Muslim minorities, 1126 01:21:58,794 --> 01:22:01,922 in what they call "political reeducation camps." 1127 01:22:01,922 --> 01:22:05,467 [Zhou] 30 years ago, I saw 40 bodies 1128 01:22:05,467 --> 01:22:08,762 of young students just like me, 1129 01:22:08,762 --> 01:22:11,139 lying on the ground 1130 01:22:11,139 --> 01:22:13,475 outside of [indistinct] hospital. 1131 01:22:14,017 --> 01:22:16,270 [Mi] They were killed by martial law troops 1132 01:22:16,270 --> 01:22:19,648 firing indiscriminately into crowds. 1133 01:22:19,648 --> 01:22:21,859 They were shot in the back by troops 1134 01:22:21,859 --> 01:22:24,444 who chased them into alleys. 1135 01:22:24,444 --> 01:22:26,488 They were stabbed with bayonets 1136 01:22:26,488 --> 01:22:28,198 after being shot. 1137 01:22:28,198 --> 01:22:30,075 They were crushed by tanks. 1138 01:22:30,450 --> 01:22:32,160 How is it that the Chinese government 1139 01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,288 has been able to get away with murder? 1140 01:22:34,788 --> 01:22:38,667 Not without the complicity of the international community. 1141 01:22:38,667 --> 01:22:41,795 [Scott] The United States abandoned its own principles. 1142 01:22:41,795 --> 01:22:43,672 I think we ought to recognize the-- 1143 01:22:43,672 --> 01:22:46,091 the government of Tibet in exile. 1144 01:22:46,091 --> 01:22:49,011 I think we ought to establish a consulate in Tibet. 1145 01:22:49,011 --> 01:22:50,846 [Jim] The Chinese government wants to rewrite history 1146 01:22:50,846 --> 01:22:53,015 and have history books that don't include this chapter. 1147 01:22:53,015 --> 01:22:55,017 I mean, the chapter is included 1148 01:22:55,017 --> 01:22:56,810 in every other history book in the world. 1149 01:22:56,810 --> 01:22:59,229 [woman] The accumulation of wealth, um, 1150 01:22:59,229 --> 01:23:03,066 gives the Chinese authorities a very convenient narrative. 1151 01:23:03,066 --> 01:23:04,610 You don't need to repress people, 1152 01:23:04,610 --> 01:23:07,237 if people feel that the system is giving you, 1153 01:23:07,237 --> 01:23:09,990 uh, benefits and is giving you a better life. 1154 01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:11,742 And if you worry that the failure, 1155 01:23:11,742 --> 01:23:13,619 that the collapse of the system would-- 1156 01:23:13,619 --> 01:23:16,246 would dan-- danger your own livelihood. 1157 01:23:16,246 --> 01:23:18,582 I've chaired 68 congressional hearings 1158 01:23:18,582 --> 01:23:21,335 on human rights abuses in China over the years. 1159 01:23:21,335 --> 01:23:23,712 I had one visit of General [indistinct]. 1160 01:23:24,254 --> 01:23:26,256 As you all know, he was the operational commander 1161 01:23:26,256 --> 01:23:27,674 who sent in the tanks. 1162 01:23:27,674 --> 01:23:29,343 And to his shame, Bill Clinton 1163 01:23:29,343 --> 01:23:30,719 invited him to the White House, 1164 01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:32,930 gave him a 19-gun salute. 1165 01:23:32,930 --> 01:23:35,474 Uh, and then he went to the Army War College and said, 1166 01:23:35,474 --> 01:23:38,060 "Nobody died at Tiananmen Square." 1167 01:23:38,060 --> 01:23:40,646 You know, such a regime that can invade 1168 01:23:40,646 --> 01:23:43,690 its own capital with tanks, 1169 01:23:43,690 --> 01:23:48,070 could kill without accountability. 1170 01:23:48,612 --> 01:23:51,448 You know, there's no limit to what they can do. 1171 01:23:53,283 --> 01:23:55,160 [Wu'erkaixi] Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. 1172 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,203 Ladies and gentlemen... 1173 01:23:57,746 --> 01:24:01,250 it gives me no pleasure to say now that 1174 01:24:01,250 --> 01:24:02,918 I told you so. 1175 01:24:03,418 --> 01:24:06,922 I have waited a long time for the United States 1176 01:24:06,922 --> 01:24:10,217 to realize there is something fundamentally wrong 1177 01:24:10,217 --> 01:24:11,844 with this picture. 1178 01:24:11,844 --> 01:24:15,347 The light of democracy in China was snuffed out, 1179 01:24:15,347 --> 01:24:18,517 because we were betrayed. 1180 01:24:20,018 --> 01:24:21,103 You betrayed us. 1181 01:24:22,187 --> 01:24:25,399 Those days, as a 21-year-old student leader 1182 01:24:25,399 --> 01:24:27,526 marching on the street of Beijing 1183 01:24:27,526 --> 01:24:29,778 and occupying Tiananmen Square, 1184 01:24:29,778 --> 01:24:32,698 we not only had the support of the Chinese people, 1185 01:24:32,698 --> 01:24:34,950 we had the support from all over the world. 1186 01:24:35,534 --> 01:24:38,370 It felt like, uh, history was on our side, 1187 01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:41,623 and victory would be ours soon. 1188 01:24:41,623 --> 01:24:44,001 But after the massacre and condemnation, 1189 01:24:44,001 --> 01:24:47,754 the world's leaders parade back to Beijing, 1190 01:24:47,754 --> 01:24:49,798 so they could access China's market 1191 01:24:49,798 --> 01:24:51,717 and its billion customers. 1192 01:24:52,509 --> 01:24:56,346 Mentioning Tiananmen became an inconvenience 1193 01:24:56,346 --> 01:24:58,724 for the leaders of the world democracies. 1194 01:24:59,474 --> 01:25:00,517 We were betrayed. 1195 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:04,563 Though it was a great thing that we tried to do, 1196 01:25:04,563 --> 01:25:07,566 I sometimes wonder whether I would do it all over again. 1197 01:25:07,566 --> 01:25:09,276 The cost was too great. 1198 01:25:09,276 --> 01:25:12,654 Measuring in the blood spilled by my fellow countryman. 1199 01:25:12,654 --> 01:25:15,741 As a survivor, I keenly feel the guilt 1200 01:25:15,741 --> 01:25:18,994 and the pain that belongs to the captain, 1201 01:25:18,994 --> 01:25:21,038 who didn't go down with his ship. 1202 01:25:21,872 --> 01:25:24,291 You either stand with the Tank Man, 1203 01:25:24,291 --> 01:25:26,919 or you stand with the tank. 1204 01:25:27,586 --> 01:25:29,546 I truly want to believe the world leaders, 1205 01:25:29,546 --> 01:25:31,131 including those here today... 1206 01:25:32,466 --> 01:25:36,261 are wise enough not to repeat the mistake of yesterday. 1207 01:25:36,261 --> 01:25:40,307 I trust you have the courage to face up to China, 1208 01:25:40,307 --> 01:25:42,226 before it is too strong and it is too late. 1209 01:25:42,935 --> 01:25:45,562 And this would, belatedly, 1210 01:25:45,562 --> 01:25:47,940 make our sacrifice worthwhile. 1211 01:25:48,607 --> 01:25:50,067 Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. 1212 01:25:50,067 --> 01:25:51,193 [man] Thank you very much. 1213 01:25:51,193 --> 01:25:54,071 [applauding] 1214 01:26:05,666 --> 01:26:08,836 [pensive music playing] 1215 01:26:08,836 --> 01:26:13,841 ♪ 1216 01:26:46,290 --> 01:26:48,250 [Christine] Who is gonna document this issue? 1217 01:26:48,250 --> 01:26:50,043 Journalist, okay? 1218 01:26:50,043 --> 01:26:52,546 You can write about it, but most Americans don't read. 1219 01:26:55,007 --> 01:26:58,844 Right? So, filmmaking is very important. 1220 01:26:58,844 --> 01:27:00,762 It's the visual communication. 1221 01:27:00,762 --> 01:27:03,932 How do you empower the spectators? 1222 01:27:03,932 --> 01:27:06,560 How are you able to give them information 1223 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,854 they normally do not receive? 1224 01:27:08,854 --> 01:27:12,441 Documentary is a true recording of the... 1225 01:27:14,193 --> 01:27:15,319 history. 1226 01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:16,862 While history was unfolding. 1227 01:27:17,821 --> 01:27:20,574 So it has different kind of power. 1228 01:27:20,574 --> 01:27:21,992 You don't spoon-feed the people. 1229 01:27:21,992 --> 01:27:23,118 You can't. 1230 01:27:23,118 --> 01:27:24,161 You have to... 1231 01:27:25,245 --> 01:27:27,456 let them absorb... 1232 01:27:28,332 --> 01:27:32,127 and realize, "Oh, this is injustice, 1233 01:27:32,127 --> 01:27:33,754 this is discrimination." 1234 01:27:33,754 --> 01:27:36,590 This is how the past, the present, and future 1235 01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:38,634 are all interrelated. 1236 01:27:38,634 --> 01:27:40,344 Let them film in prison. 1237 01:27:40,344 --> 01:27:43,180 You know, I know people in prison for 30 years 1238 01:27:43,180 --> 01:27:45,307 Never got out, you know? 1239 01:27:45,307 --> 01:27:47,476 The hope gets little bit, 1240 01:27:47,476 --> 01:27:49,478 little bit get chewed away. 1241 01:27:50,020 --> 01:27:52,022 You know, Wu'erkaixi. 1242 01:27:52,648 --> 01:27:53,649 Wan Runnan. 1243 01:27:54,274 --> 01:27:55,317 Yan Jiaqui. 1244 01:27:56,235 --> 01:27:57,611 Exile. 1245 01:27:57,611 --> 01:28:00,113 Many filmmakers are exiles. 1246 01:28:00,113 --> 01:28:03,408 What is repercussion of a making this film? 1247 01:28:03,408 --> 01:28:05,160 You tell me. 1248 01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,871 After I just ran down the whole shit loads of stuff 1249 01:28:07,871 --> 01:28:11,041 about how China is forbidding me 1250 01:28:11,041 --> 01:28:13,293 to talk about Tiananmen Square. 1251 01:28:13,293 --> 01:28:15,128 So it should be a little mystery. 1252 01:28:15,128 --> 01:28:17,047 The film should be a little mystery. 1253 01:28:17,047 --> 01:28:20,884 Christine Choy disappeared. She got arrested in the border. 1254 01:28:20,884 --> 01:28:22,970 [chuckles] 1255 01:28:22,970 --> 01:28:25,430 I'm just saying that, you know, it's true. 1256 01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:28,308 It's very true, like, [bleep] doesn't even wanna 1257 01:28:28,308 --> 01:28:30,435 -have his name on the credit. -[producer] You just said it. 1258 01:28:36,733 --> 01:28:39,069 [ice cubes clanking] 1259 01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,158 You know, scare tactic is awful. 1260 01:28:46,243 --> 01:28:48,078 You know, teachers live there. 1261 01:28:48,912 --> 01:28:51,748 You don't behave, I'll give you a D, okay? 1262 01:28:52,583 --> 01:28:53,917 Right? In China. 1263 01:28:55,460 --> 01:28:56,587 Don't talk back. 1264 01:28:58,922 --> 01:29:02,551 I know my future when this film is finished. 1265 01:29:02,551 --> 01:29:04,595 Hello? I don't think 1266 01:29:04,595 --> 01:29:06,889 I will ever be allowed to go back to China. 1267 01:29:07,931 --> 01:29:12,269 I mean, I don't think it's only me. 1268 01:29:12,269 --> 01:29:14,938 I think that you do have the concern 1269 01:29:14,938 --> 01:29:18,317 about people's name on this film. 1270 01:29:19,234 --> 01:29:21,445 Do I love China? Yes. 1271 01:29:22,654 --> 01:29:25,157 But if you start a sense of yourself, 1272 01:29:25,157 --> 01:29:27,159 you have no freedoms, period. 1273 01:29:27,743 --> 01:29:30,996 Home, America, New York City, 1274 01:29:30,996 --> 01:29:33,540 below 23rd Street... 1275 01:29:36,126 --> 01:29:37,836 above Houston Street. 1276 01:29:37,836 --> 01:29:39,588 That's the only place I wanna live. 1277 01:29:44,092 --> 01:29:47,179 If I never left China, uh, 1278 01:29:47,179 --> 01:29:50,057 I think I would be a very good communist member. 1279 01:29:51,642 --> 01:29:54,478 Maybe I would be just basically very content. 1280 01:29:56,271 --> 01:30:00,108 Accepting whatever the value was given to me, 1281 01:30:00,108 --> 01:30:01,401 not questioning. 1282 01:30:01,401 --> 01:30:02,778 That's what I would've become. 1283 01:30:02,778 --> 01:30:04,780 I would've become one of the young people, 1284 01:30:04,780 --> 01:30:06,615 like, uh, today. 1285 01:30:06,615 --> 01:30:08,242 No questions ever asked. 1286 01:30:09,159 --> 01:30:11,495 As you are getting older, 1287 01:30:11,495 --> 01:30:14,206 you start to realize you are not perfect. 1288 01:30:14,206 --> 01:30:16,917 Come on, your body's falling apart, you know? 1289 01:30:16,917 --> 01:30:19,795 You're losing some of your memories. 1290 01:30:19,795 --> 01:30:22,047 It's-- it's-- it's a fact, you know? 1291 01:30:22,047 --> 01:30:25,217 I have to receive that. I have to admit that. 1292 01:30:25,217 --> 01:30:27,928 The important thing for me is just being 1293 01:30:27,928 --> 01:30:30,180 fucking honest with myself. 1294 01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:32,808 I don't have to be honest with anyone else 1295 01:30:32,808 --> 01:30:33,892 just to be myself. 1296 01:30:34,476 --> 01:30:37,646 And in order to be-- be honest with yourself, 1297 01:30:37,646 --> 01:30:39,857 you have to be very critical about yourself. 1298 01:30:39,857 --> 01:30:41,859 You have to know all your shit. 1299 01:30:43,026 --> 01:30:46,029 Some people criticize me that I'm too loud, 1300 01:30:46,029 --> 01:30:49,908 too open, too direct. 1301 01:30:49,908 --> 01:30:51,702 I smoke too much. I drink too much. 1302 01:30:51,702 --> 01:30:54,580 I talk too much. [mumbling] Um, I work too much. 1303 01:30:54,580 --> 01:30:57,583 I get criticized by a lot of people, 1304 01:30:57,583 --> 01:31:00,460 but very, very few people 1305 01:31:00,460 --> 01:31:04,673 really criticize me with an issue 1306 01:31:04,673 --> 01:31:06,633 that I'm willing to accept. 1307 01:31:07,593 --> 01:31:09,970 My legacy, I have no goddamn legacy. 1308 01:31:09,970 --> 01:31:12,097 I told my son, "If I drop dead, number one, 1309 01:31:12,097 --> 01:31:14,099 I don't wanna have a memorial service 1310 01:31:14,099 --> 01:31:17,144 because everybody's gonna say nice things about me." 1311 01:31:17,895 --> 01:31:19,980 I'm gonna get cremated 1312 01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:22,024 and flushed right down the toilet. 1313 01:31:25,152 --> 01:31:28,697 I wanna just have a really... 1314 01:31:31,450 --> 01:31:32,534 interesting life. 1315 01:31:34,453 --> 01:31:38,373 Take a risk, do things nobody dare to do, 1316 01:31:38,373 --> 01:31:40,334 make movies nobody dare to make. 1317 01:31:41,460 --> 01:31:43,879 Not thinking about failure and success, 1318 01:31:43,879 --> 01:31:46,215 and that really gives you great peace. 1319 01:31:47,674 --> 01:31:48,926 I live... 1320 01:31:49,885 --> 01:31:51,136 not in the past. 1321 01:31:52,179 --> 01:31:54,306 I never have sought 1322 01:31:54,306 --> 01:31:56,934 a nostalgic feeling about the past. 1323 01:31:56,934 --> 01:31:58,393 No. 1324 01:31:58,977 --> 01:32:00,938 I live today, tomorrow. 1325 01:32:01,855 --> 01:32:03,482 I don't have a future. 1326 01:32:03,482 --> 01:32:05,609 I don't have a past. I only have a present. 1327 01:32:06,235 --> 01:32:08,070 That's who I am. That's my philosophy. 1328 01:32:09,112 --> 01:32:11,782 So you ask me a lot of things about the past, it's gone. 1329 01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:14,785 Live for the future. 1330 01:32:27,214 --> 01:32:32,219 ♪ 1331 01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:37,075 ♪ 1332 01:34:37,052 --> 01:34:42,099 ♪ 1333 01:35:42,201 --> 01:35:47,206 ♪ 1334 01:36:01,094 --> 01:36:03,096 [music ends]