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{\an8}[voice playing on record]

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These tapes, they were meant
to be confidential.

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They were never meant to
be released.

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{\an8}[voice playing on record]

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Knowing that these
tapes exist,

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I'm totally flabbergasted.

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<i>I can't even believe it.</i>

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<i>I can't even believe it.</i>

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{\an8}[voice playing on record]

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<i>I've covered many many murder</i>
<i>stories in my</i>

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<i>forty eight year career</i>
<i>on television.</i>

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And what happened on
these murders,

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and how these poor
young victims died,

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turned my stomach.

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{\an8}[voice playing on record]

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<i>It came a point where,</i>

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<i>it was almost like you picked</i>
<i>up the newspaper</i>

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and it would be
another murder.

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{\an8}[voice playing on record]

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<i>This guy had to be stopped.</i>
<i>And so, as a citizen,</i>

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I did what I had to do.

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I did what I had to do.

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[waves splashing]

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<i>Well back in the '70s,</i>

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<i>there was a feeling at that</i>
<i>time that</i>

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<i>people wanted to be free.</i>

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<i>Hitchhiking was very popular.</i>

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<i>Hitchhiking was very popular.</i>

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<i>The young people, specially</i>
<i>the men, would hitchhike.</i>

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<i>It was very perfectly safe.</i>

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My name is Ronald E Bowers.
Back in 1979,

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I was a senior prosecutor for
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District Attorney's Office.

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<i>Marcus Grabs was a west German</i>
<i>exchange student.</i>

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<i>He'd come to</i>
<i>the United States.</i>

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<i>He'd come to</i>
<i>the United States.</i>

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Didn't have a lot of money,
so he was hitchhiking.

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<i>Marcus Grabs came to</i>
<i>Newport Beach.</i>

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<i>He spent the day or two there,</i>

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but then he wanted to go
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and see more of California.

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<i>So he had his backpack</i>
<i>all packed,</i>

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<i>and he walked over to the</i>
<i>Pacific Coast Highway...</i>

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{\an8}[voices playing on record]

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{\an8}[man 1 speaking]

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{\an8}[man 2 speaking]

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[newscaster] <i>Marcus</i>
<i>Grabs, seventeen, west Germany</i>

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<i>was discovered stabbed to</i>
<i>death in the Tapis Park area,</i>

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<i>north of Malibu.</i>

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<i>Forensic tests have shown</i>
<i>that Grabs</i>

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<i>Forensic tests have shown</i>
<i>that Grabs</i>

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<i>had been sexually assaulted.</i>

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[indistinct radio chatter]

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[Ronald]
<i>The police are wondering,</i>
<i>this seemed very strange.</i>

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In such a remote location,
a nude body of a young man.

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In such a remote location,
a nude body of a young man.

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<i>But there were no clues.</i>
<i>There was nothing</i>
<i>at the crime scene</i>

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<i>that tipped off</i>
<i>who could've done it.</i>

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[siren blaring]

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<i>The police, they needed to</i>
<i>find evidence.</i>

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<i>But back in the '70s,</i>

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we didn't have all the
forensic technology

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that we have today.

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<i>That was when they contacted</i>
<i>different homicide bureaus</i>

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<i>asking them if there's any</i>
<i>similar sex crimes</i>

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they're investigating.
And they said, yes there was.

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they're investigating.
And they said, yes there was.

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<i>There was a young man in</i>
<i>the San Fernando Valley</i>

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<i>and he disappeared.</i>

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[Brenda]
<i>I always remember</i>
<i>the '70s as</i>

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<i>being the best time</i>
<i>of my life.</i>

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This is the house that Tommy
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And back in the '70s,

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there was a lot of kids
playing in the street here.

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We used to play
baseball a lot.

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We used to play
baseball a lot.

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<i>My name is Brenda Axtell,</i>

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<i>and I lived in the</i>
<i>San Fernando Valley.</i>

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<i>My brother Tommy was really,</i>
<i>always hustled to get money.</i>

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And one of the things,
he got a job

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selling flowers on
the street corners.

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<i>It was probably about seven</i>
<i>o'clock in the evening.</i>

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My mother, she was acting
very strange,

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My mother, she was acting
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and I said what's wrong,
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"Tommy hasn't come home yet."

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<i>An hour went by,</i>
<i>another hour went by</i>

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<i>and then I was talking to</i>
<i>my dad,</i>

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<i>my dad was watching TV</i>

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and the 11 o'clock news
came on.

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[newscaster] <i>The nude body of</i>
<i>a young boy was was found off</i>

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<i>Mulholland Highway today.</i>

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<i>Stabbed multiple times,</i>
<i>and sexually mutilated.</i>

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<i>Investigators say the body...</i>

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[Brenda]
<i>I just remember my dad</i>
<i>flying out of the chair.</i>

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[Brenda]
<i>I just remember my dad</i>
<i>flying out of the chair.</i>

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He called the
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and asked about it,

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and they said why do you want
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because I think it's my son.

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<i>It was him.</i>

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And he was pretty much
unrecognizable almost, so...

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You can't even really
explain it.

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The devastation it causes.

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The devastation it causes.

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[Ronald] <i>In many cases,</i>
<i>homicide detectives</i>

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<i>don't have all the pieces.</i>

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<i>But, in this case,</i>

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<i>one of the few things they had</i>
<i>to work on was</i>

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Marcus Grabs
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found in the very same area.

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<i>And there was also the coroner</i>
<i>doing the autopsy,</i>

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noticed that each one of the
boys had been sodomized.

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<i>So, is there a connection?</i>

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[Dave]
<i>In 1979, I was 29 years old.</i>

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<i>And it had always been</i>
<i>my dream to become</i>

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<i>a reporter at a big time</i>
<i>TV station.</i>

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<i>a reporter at a big time</i>
<i>TV station.</i>

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My name is Dave Lopez.

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I was the main street reporter
in Southern California

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in the late '70s.

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<i>I covered, you know,</i>
<i>all kinds of stories.</i>

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<i>Political stories,</i>
<i>crime obviously,</i>

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<i>but, on this young man,</i>

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<i>a 13 year old boy,</i>
<i>in the Valley...</i>

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<i>People moved to the Valley to</i>
<i>get away from the crime,</i>

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<i>so they felt safe.</i>

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<i>And so to have someone</i>
<i>just disappear,</i>

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he's just a young
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who wanted to make a few bucks
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you know, minding his
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<i>How preposterous is it,</i>

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<i>that that person would become</i>
<i>a murder victim.</i>

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<i>In that particular area,</i>
<i>obviously it becomes big news.</i>

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<i>But it took a while before</i>

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the mainstream news media
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the mainstream news media
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"Hey, wait a minute.
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heavy duty sexual predator
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[newscaster] <i>A body of an</i>
<i>unidentified male was found...</i>

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[continues indistinctly]

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<i>Five days after Marcus Grabs</i>
<i>body was found,</i>

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a third body was found in
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<i>That had been there for</i>
<i>maybe a week.</i>

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<i>It was Mark Shelton.</i>

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<i>Homicide Sheriffs are</i>
<i>wondering what is going on.</i>

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<i>So the San Bernardino County</i>
<i>Sheriff's Department</i>

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<i>contact the Los Angeles County</i>
<i>Sheriff's Department</i>

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to see if there is

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something that they might have
that's similar.

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And they said, yes, there was.
There were some young men

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who were nude, who were
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and they were found
in a remote location.

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<i>That began the sharing of</i>
<i>information between the</i>

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<i>That began the sharing of</i>
<i>information between the</i>

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<i>different homicide bureaus.</i>

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Because, was there
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[newscaster] <i>A body found on</i>
<i>Monday was identified</i>

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<i>as Donald Ray Hayden.</i>

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<i>fifteen, of Hollywood.</i>

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<i>He'd been stabbed to death and</i>
<i>sexually molested</i>

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<i>before being left</i>
<i>in the dumpster</i>

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<i>just north of the</i>
<i>Ventura Freeway.</i>

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<i>The Hayden murder is already</i>
<i>being considered</i>

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<i>the fourth body</i>

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<i>the fourth body</i>

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<i>in a series that includes</i>
<i>three other killings</i>

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<i>over the past few months.</i>

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[radio buzzing]

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I remember talking to
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Orange county investigators.

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I think I found out
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that there was some kind of
connection to this.

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{\an8}Only because of the way these
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{\an8}brutally killed in almost
the same scenario.

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<i>The one thing that police had</i>
<i>in those days is, you know,</i>

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<i>they kept stats.</i>

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So when this came along,
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So when this came along,
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an influx, an unbelievable
rise in these

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vicious, horrendous murders,

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they knew something was wrong.

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<i>I kept bugging these guys,</i>
<i>over and over again</i>

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<i>about a connection.</i>

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[newscaster] <i>This is a channel</i>
<i>two special presentation.</i>

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<i>The scene always</i>
<i>looks the same,</i>

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<i>a young, white, thin male,</i>
<i>completely nude.</i>

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<i>a young, white, thin male,</i>
<i>completely nude.</i>

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<i>Signs of strangulation,</i>
<i>many with rope burns</i>

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<i>around the ankles and wrists.</i>

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And the big question is,
who and how many people

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are responsible
for these murders?

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{\an8}We're not formulating any
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{\an8}this homicide now,

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but neither are we
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to the facts that there are

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other cases here in
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and outside of
Los Angeles that

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are so far unsolved homicides.

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Investigators are
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to answer that question.

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to answer that question.

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[Vonda] <i>Knowing that these</i>
<i>tapes exist,</i>

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<i>I'm mesmerized.</i>

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I'm about to listen to this
man's voice

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that I have not heard for
40 years.

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I'm Dr. Vonda Pelto,
Clinical Psychologist,

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hired into the Los Angeles
County Men's Jail

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where I saw William Bonin
on many occasions.

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where I saw William Bonin
on many occasions.

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{\an8}[man 1 speaking]

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{\an8}[man 2 speaking]

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The thing I'm most taken with

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is, he could be talking about
the Dodger baseball game,

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no affect, no remorse.

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[switch clicks]

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{\an8}[man 1 speaking]

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{\an8}[man 2 speaking]

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<i>Clinicians rarely ever have</i>
<i>an opportunity</i>

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to really listen to someone
who is killed

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without any kind of guilt.

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without any kind of guilt.

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{\an8}[man 2 speaking]

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It's unbelievable that this
was sitting somewhere

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and never exposed to
the light.

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[helicopter hovering]

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[Wyatt]
<i>By 1980, law enforcement</i>
<i>was concerned</i>

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<i>that there was a serial killer</i>
<i>out there.</i>

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We can usually go back to once
we've identified the person

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We can usually go back to once
we've identified the person

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to where they were last seen
by someone...

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<i>It can create panic</i>
<i>on the public.</i>

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<i>And so, I didn't want to be</i>
<i>a part of confirming</i>

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<i>it was a serial killer.</i>

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Hello. My name is Wyatt Hart.

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I was the press
information officer

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for the Orange County
Sheriff's Department.

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{\an8}<i>There are some similarities</i>
<i>to the cases, yes.</i>

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{\an8}[Reporter] <i>Enough to make you</i>
<i>think that it's the work</i>

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{\an8}<i>of the same person?</i>

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<i>Yes, it could be.</i>

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[Wyatt] <i>You have to be</i>
<i>very careful about</i>
<i>what you put out.</i>

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[Wyatt] <i>You have to be</i>
<i>very careful about</i>
<i>what you put out.</i>

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<i>It's very important that you</i>
<i>give them the information,</i>

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<i>but it has to be filtered.</i>

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We can only assume that
that information that is
released to the press

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is also released to the
persons involved
in these crimes,

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which could hamper
our investigation.

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<i>We kept recommending</i>
<i>you know,</i>

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and putting out, you know,
that, don't hitchhike.

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[newscaster] <i>At Marina</i>
<i>Highschool in Huntington Beach</i>

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<i>and at other high schools in</i>
<i>Orange County as well,</i>

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<i>the word is out.</i>

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<i>Two days ago,</i>
<i>in preparing this report,</i>

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<i>a trip along Beach Boulevard,</i>

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<i>a trip along Beach Boulevard,</i>

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<i>and there were no hitchhikers.</i>

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Dave Lopez was a great help

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to law enforcement from CBS
News, for example.

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Wyatt Hart was this old,
wonderful, wonderful man.

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Very kind. Very very patient.

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<i>And we worked together</i>
<i>on television.</i>

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<i>I told the story of what the</i>
<i>hell was going on,</i>

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and he had required
the help of the media

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to get attention to what
they were working on.

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[reporter]
<i>Flyers have been given</i>
<i>to students</i>

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[reporter]
<i>Flyers have been given</i>
<i>to students</i>

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<i>and the message is clear.</i>

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<i>Don't hitchhike.</i>

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[reporter] You're tall,
you're thin,
you've got blonde hair.

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That fits a lot of the people
that he has been killing.

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Are you frightened?

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Well, I can't hitchhike,
you know.

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I used to hitchhike
just to go home.

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But you can't really do that
no more.

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[man]
<i>The investigators were working</i>

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<i>sixteen, 18 hours a day</i>
<i>just on this case.</i>

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<i>And, as the time went on,</i>
<i>you know,</i>
<i>series of the killings</i>

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<i>And, as the time went on,</i>
<i>you know,</i>
<i>series of the killings</i>

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just continues to build
and build and build.

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[reporter] <i>17 year old</i>
<i>David Murillo was cycling</i>
<i>to a movie theatre.</i>

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<i>His body was found near the...</i>

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[man]
<i>Now we're in February of 1980.</i>

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[reporter]
<i>18 year old Robert Wirostek</i>

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<i>was hitchhiking to his job</i>
<i>at a grocery store.</i>

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[man] <i>By this time</i>
<i>there had been 12 young boys</i>

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<i>all viciously murdered</i>
<i>in a span of nine months.</i>

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[reporter]
<i>...is that of 17 year old</i>
<i>Frank Dennis Fox...</i>

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<i>It was a story</i>
<i>that had engulfed us,</i>

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and a story that I had
almost done daily reports on.

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and a story that I had
almost done daily reports on.

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[reporter]
<i>...dumped by the sides</i>
<i>of freeways.</i>

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<i>And is now being described</i>
<i>as the freeway killer.</i>

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[Dr. Vonda]
<i>William Bonin was born in 1947</i>

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<i>in a small town Willimantic,</i>
<i>Connecticut.</i>

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<i>William Bonin</i>
<i>had an older brother</i>
<i>and a younger brother.</i>

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<i>Both of his parents</i>
<i>were alcoholics.</i>

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When Bonin's father came home
from the war,

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he was extremely violent.

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And would take out
these fits of anger
on his wife and children.

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A lot of the men came home
from the war damaged.

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This had a real affect
on the family.

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He took up gambling
and excessive drinking.

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<i>The mother, in order</i>
<i>to with the husband's</i>
<i>abusive behavior,</i>

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<i>The mother, in order</i>
<i>to with the husband's</i>
<i>abusive behavior,</i>

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<i>she would drink excessively.</i>

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<i>The kids were almost always</i>
<i>dirty and hungry.</i>

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<i>When Bonin was young,</i>
<i>he always dreamt</i>
<i>of running way.</i>

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<i>But he told me he didn't have</i>
<i>any place to run to.</i>

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[Dave] <i>Back in 1980,</i>
<i>you didn't feel safe</i>

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<i>knowing that there was someone</i>
<i>out there</i>

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that was doing these things
especially as we were getting

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more information leaked to us
about just exactly
what was happening.

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I mean, we knew
that this freeway killer

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loved to torture his victims.

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<i>In one victim, an ice pick</i>

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was shoved into his ear almost
three and a half inches.

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was shoved into his ear almost
three and a half inches.

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Things that you wouldn't even
dream of comprehending
what was happening.

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<i>There was another in here,</i>
<i>just a 12 year old little guy.</i>

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<i>He was on his way</i>
<i>to Disneyland.</i>

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<i>You have to wonder,</i>

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<i>but then you have to</i>
<i>think back at what</i>
<i>the times were like.</i>

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Who today would let
a 12 year old boy

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go to Disneyland by taking
the bus by himself?

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You wouldn't do it.

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Back then,
it wasn't that unusual.

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McCabe was beaten,
he was strangled
with his own shirt.

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His neck was crushed
with a jack handle.

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<i>He left his body</i>
<i>next to a dumpster</i>
<i>in the city of Walnut.</i>

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[Ronald Bowers]
<i>By 1980, there was many</i>
<i>different things</i>

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<i>that were going through</i>
<i>the detectives minds.</i>

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<i>One of the things</i>
<i>that did come up,</i>

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<i>they were all</i>
<i>sexually assaulted.</i>

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So could this mean
he's connected
to homosexual activity?

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[Don Kilhefner] <i>In the '70s,</i>
<i>it was a difficult time</i>
<i>being gay in California.</i>

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<i>Harvey Milk, one of the first</i>
<i>openly gay politicians</i>

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<i>was assassinated in his office</i>
<i>in City Hall in San Francisco.</i>

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I am Don Kilhefner,

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and I am the co-founder
of something in Los Angeles

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and I am the co-founder
of something in Los Angeles

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called the Gay Community
Services Center.

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[Kilhefner]
<i>What you have to remember</i>
<i>there was a law in California</i>

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<i>that a man could be arrested</i>

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for just touching another man.

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The church defined us
as evil people.

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{\an8}<i>And it affected</i>
<i>the entire community.</i>

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[Kilhefner]
<i>But there were many</i>
<i>who were involved</i>

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<i>in fighting back at that time.</i>

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The first gay pride parade
in Los Angeles.

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35,000 people turned out.

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<i>A new world was being created.</i>

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<i>What you saw happening</i>

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were young gay men heading
towards those major cities.

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<i>They were leaving</i>
<i>their small town</i>

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<i>They were leaving</i>
<i>their small town</i>

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<i>with very very little</i>
<i>in the way of resources.</i>

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Here in Los Angeles
we had a major influx.

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<i>The gay community thrived</i>
<i>to the center.</i>

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We provided housing for them,
meals for them.

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<i>Here with these young men</i>
<i>who had no money,</i>

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<i>and so their way</i>
<i>of getting around</i>
<i>was by hitchhiking.</i>

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<i>Sometimes working</i>
<i>as prostitutes.</i>

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The freeway killer
exploited that.

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Used that
to his nefarious ends.

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{\an8}[Freeway killer speaking]

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<i>When we found out</i>
<i>that the victims</i>

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<i>of the freeway killer fitted</i>
<i>the profile</i>

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of a young gay man
that we were trying to help,

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we were shocked, angry, sad.

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<i>At the community center,</i>
<i>we had signs out</i>

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<i>of warning young gay people</i>
<i>to not be hitchhiking</i>
<i>because it was dangerous.</i>

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So we did what we could do
to warn people,

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but not everybody was reached.

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<i>I remember Wyatt Hart</i>

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told us members of the media
that there was a connection.

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They just weren't quite sure
of who it was.

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They just weren't quite sure
of who it was.

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[telephone ringing]

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<i>The taskforce</i>
<i>was working feverishly.</i>

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<i>They were terrified</i>
<i>that the media</i>
<i>would put something out</i>

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<i>a little too much</i>
<i>and that would then</i>
<i>either drive</i>

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the one person or the group
of people who ever doing this

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underground or they go away
or they stop or they go
somewhere else.

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They just did not wanted
to do anything that was going
to jeopardize this case.

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00:25:45,867 --> 00:25:49,100
<i>Wyatt, he would tell us</i>
<i>a lot of things</i>
<i>off the record.</i>

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There was more to this
than what we can tell you.

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[David Foster]
<i>Mr. Bonin was polite</i>
<i>and articulate.</i>

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<i>He was difficult</i>
<i>in the sense of having</i>
<i>a very great difficulty</i>

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<i>either remembering his traumas</i>
<i>or be willing to talk</i>
<i>about them.</i>

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{\an8}My name is David Foster.

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00:26:19,567 --> 00:26:21,500
{\an8}I was the
clinical psychiatrist

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00:26:21,567 --> 00:26:25,000
{\an8}in William Bonin's
appeals trial
with federal court.

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There is an account of one
of his own school friends.

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And if you don't mind,
I'd like to read that.

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She says, "Billy Bonin
was in my sixth grade class.

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<i>One of his neighbors said</i>
<i>the boys would dig up potatoes</i>
<i>at night from their gardens</i>

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00:26:45,567 --> 00:26:48,667
<i>and eat them raw and unwashed</i>
<i>because they were so hungry.</i>

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00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:54,367
<i>He was smart but he didn't</i>
<i>talk much to the other kids.</i>

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00:26:54,367 --> 00:26:55,720
<i>Certain kids always made fun</i>
<i>of his ill-fitting clothes</i>
<i>and shoes.</i>

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00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,000
<i>Certain kids always made fun</i>
<i>of his ill-fitting clothes</i>
<i>and shoes.</i>

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<i>They called him "Bugsy Bonin."</i>

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00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:08,266
He never fought back,
but you could see the hurt
in his eyes.

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00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:13,567
Back then, I thought of him
as a gentle and very sad soul

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who never tried
to harm anyone."

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00:27:22,567 --> 00:27:24,266
<i>There was a tremendous</i>
<i>amount of data</i>

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<i>that I had available to me</i>
<i>about what he had</i>
<i>been through.</i>

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00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,000
<i>that I had available to me</i>
<i>about what he had</i>
<i>been through.</i>

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My findings were William Bonin
was subjected at an early age

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to severe physical abuse
by his father.

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00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,700
<i>This created front lobe damage</i>
<i>in his brain.</i>

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<i>And then he was also</i>
<i>extremely neglected</i>
<i>by his mother.</i>

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This had a profound effect
on his developing brain,

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<i>specifically the connections</i>
<i>in the right hemisphere</i>

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00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,000
<i>specifically the connections</i>
<i>in the right hemisphere</i>

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<i>which impaired his ability</i>
<i>to connect socially</i>
<i>and emotionally.</i>

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All this creates
the devastation and tragedy
that we see,

422
00:28:08,667 --> 00:28:12,367
not only with Mr. Bonin,
but also of course
for all of his victims.

423
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,720
[Dr. Vonda]
<i>The mother finally comes</i>
<i>to the conclusion</i>

424
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,000
[Dr. Vonda]
<i>The mother finally comes</i>
<i>to the conclusion</i>

425
00:28:26,166 --> 00:28:30,166
that she really can't handle
these three kids.

426
00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:34,700
So she sends
the two older boys,

427
00:28:34,767 --> 00:28:40,200
<i>Bonin and his brother Robert</i>
<i>to an orphanage.</i>

428
00:28:46,166 --> 00:28:50,266
<i>At one point, a priest</i>
<i>in the orphanage</i>

429
00:28:50,266 --> 00:28:52,567
<i>sexually molested Bonin.</i>

430
00:28:54,266 --> 00:28:55,720
<i>And then later on,</i>

431
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:55,867
<i>And then later on,</i>

432
00:28:55,867 --> 00:28:56,000
he was placed in the boys
correctional home.

433
00:29:02,667 --> 00:29:09,600
<i>There, unfortunately,</i>
<i>he was again sexually abused</i>
<i>by an older boy.</i>

434
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,667
<i>What a horrible tragic thing</i>
<i>for this young child,</i>

435
00:29:16,667 --> 00:29:19,467
already being abused
in the orphanage,

436
00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:23,467
and now being
in this boys home
and again abused.

437
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:25,720
<i>What chance at life could this</i>
<i>little young boy have?</i>

438
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,000
<i>What chance at life could this</i>
<i>little young boy have?</i>

439
00:29:31,867 --> 00:29:35,767
We don't know
the precise combination

440
00:29:35,767 --> 00:29:39,166
that makes up a serial killer.

441
00:29:39,166 --> 00:29:44,266
We just know
that certain risk factors seem
to contribute to it.

442
00:29:45,467 --> 00:29:47,900
<i>Having a cold mother</i>

443
00:29:47,967 --> 00:29:50,867
<i>who is incapable</i>
<i>of giving love.</i>

444
00:29:52,867 --> 00:29:55,100
<i>Physical and sexual abuse.</i>

445
00:29:56,567 --> 00:29:59,266
<i>And then frontal lobe damage.</i>

446
00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:06,867
By the age of ten,
Bonin already had
all of these.

447
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,000
<i>When Bonin was 15,</i>
<i>the whole family moved</i>

448
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,700
<i>from Willimantic</i>
<i>to Downey, California.</i>

449
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Where Bonin changed from being
the victim to the perpetrator.

450
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,000
Where Bonin changed from being
the victim to the perpetrator.

451
00:30:38,166 --> 00:30:39,767
[Wyatt]
<i>Law enforcement was called,</i>

452
00:30:39,767 --> 00:30:42,166
<i>I believe it was by a hiker.</i>

453
00:30:42,166 --> 00:30:47,667
Two young men bodies
were found just off
the Ortega Highway.

454
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:53,867
[Wyatt Hart] <i>We had a swarm</i>
<i>of media personnel out there.</i>

455
00:30:53,867 --> 00:30:55,720
[reporter]
Just where they located the...

456
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:55,767
[reporter]
Just where they located the...

457
00:30:55,767 --> 00:30:56,000
There is on these side
of the on-ramp.

458
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,166
Probably about,
one is about 15 feet down
the side,

459
00:31:02,166 --> 00:31:03,266
the other is about 20 feet.

460
00:31:03,266 --> 00:31:05,467
[reporter]
Any signs of strangulation?

461
00:31:05,467 --> 00:31:08,667
We can't tell
any sort of cause of death
or anything.

462
00:31:08,667 --> 00:31:10,166
We just can't tell yet.

463
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,266
[reporter] Lieutenant,
at this stage,

464
00:31:25,266 --> 00:31:25,720
what's the process
that now begins?

465
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,000
what's the process
that now begins?

466
00:31:27,367 --> 00:31:33,000
Well, we'll search
the surrounding areas for what
might be obvious clues.

467
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,567
[Hart] <i>Investigators are never</i>
<i>surprised by what they find</i>

468
00:31:35,567 --> 00:31:37,000
<i>and what people can do</i>
<i>to other people,</i>

469
00:31:37,066 --> 00:31:39,900
<i>but to find two of them</i>
<i>out there,</i>

470
00:31:39,967 --> 00:31:43,767
<i>it kind of put</i>
<i>a different perspective</i>
<i>on the investigation.</i>

471
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,300
[reporter] And neither one
is fully clothed?

472
00:31:47,367 --> 00:31:50,467
No. One is nude, the other one
is partially clothed.

473
00:31:50,467 --> 00:31:54,400
<i>That was when we realized</i>
<i>that something</i>
<i>is going on here.</i>

474
00:31:54,467 --> 00:31:55,720
Immediately we started
thinking, well, wait a minute.

475
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,000
Immediately we started
thinking, well, wait a minute.

476
00:31:56,367 --> 00:32:00,100
We've got two.
It's pretty hard for one guy

477
00:32:00,166 --> 00:32:02,500
to take on two at one time.

478
00:32:02,567 --> 00:32:04,467
So, do we have
more people involved?

479
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:10,166
[reporter] <i>Two teenage boys</i>
<i>found together in the</i>
<i>Cleveland National Forest</i>

480
00:32:10,166 --> 00:32:12,567
<i>resemble a string</i>
<i>of other slaying across...</i>

481
00:32:12,567 --> 00:32:16,266
<i>Further escalations</i>
<i>in the murders connected</i>
<i>to the so called...</i>

482
00:32:16,266 --> 00:32:19,867
<i>Detectives are now</i>
<i>working feverishly</i>
<i>in their search...</i>

483
00:32:19,867 --> 00:32:23,100
<i>There's been at least</i>
<i>17 murders</i>
<i>in less than a year.</i>

484
00:32:24,300 --> 00:32:25,720
[Ronald]
<i>Bodies were discovered</i>
<i>in Ventura County.</i>

485
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,000
[Ronald]
<i>Bodies were discovered</i>
<i>in Ventura County.</i>

486
00:32:27,367 --> 00:32:29,800
<i>And even up in Kern County.</i>

487
00:32:29,867 --> 00:32:32,500
<i>We know there was one</i>
<i>from San Bernardino County.</i>

488
00:32:32,567 --> 00:32:34,667
And many of them
from LA County.

489
00:32:34,667 --> 00:32:36,900
And eventually some
from Orange County.

490
00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:42,066
<i>They were long distance away,</i>

491
00:32:42,066 --> 00:32:47,000
<i>so who could be moving around</i>
<i>from county to county</i>
<i>easily like this?</i>

492
00:33:00,567 --> 00:33:05,667
<i>In 1980, my job was to pick up</i>
<i>and deliver trucks</i>

493
00:33:05,667 --> 00:33:07,667
<i>around the California area.</i>

494
00:33:09,567 --> 00:33:13,166
<i>Traveled up and down</i>
<i>highway 101,</i>

495
00:33:13,166 --> 00:33:15,767
<i>several times working</i>
<i>with Bill Bonin.</i>

496
00:33:17,967 --> 00:33:20,867
I decided to do
this interview

497
00:33:20,867 --> 00:33:23,166
and I thought
it would be beneficial

498
00:33:23,166 --> 00:33:24,967
for the people to know
what actually happened.

499
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,266
I don't wanna conceal
my identity

500
00:33:28,266 --> 00:33:31,000
because of guilt
by association.

501
00:33:40,567 --> 00:33:44,000
<i>When I first met him,</i>
<i>he seemed like</i>
<i>a very nice guy.</i>

502
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:49,266
Uh, I even had him
at my house a couple
of times for coffee.

503
00:33:49,266 --> 00:33:54,200
I had no recollection
that he was nothing
but a decent person.

504
00:33:56,300 --> 00:33:58,300
<i>On one occasion,</i>
<i>William Bonin and I</i>

505
00:33:58,367 --> 00:34:00,967
<i>did a little trip</i>
<i>up to Northern California.</i>

506
00:34:02,967 --> 00:34:06,200
<i>I mentioned to him</i>
<i>that I heard that there</i>
<i>was another victim</i>

507
00:34:06,266 --> 00:34:07,667
<i>of the Freeway Killer.</i>

508
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,266
I've just referred to the fact

509
00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:14,767
that I wish that they'd
catch the guy
that was doing this,

510
00:34:14,767 --> 00:34:20,100
and Bill said to me, "Yeah,
I wish they catch him too."

511
00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:24,500
<i>When we were on our way back,</i>

512
00:34:24,567 --> 00:34:25,720
<i>the vehicle I was driving,</i>
<i>uh, started to act up,</i>

513
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:26,000
<i>the vehicle I was driving,</i>
<i>uh, started to act up,</i>

514
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:31,800
<i>and, uh, we pulled off.</i>

515
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,967
Bill suggested
that we leave him there

516
00:34:35,967 --> 00:34:39,567
and I'd drive the vehicle
he was driving,

517
00:34:39,567 --> 00:34:42,066
because we had farther
to go home than he had.

518
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,266
<i>By the time I had gotten back</i>
<i>to City of Industry,</i>

519
00:34:49,266 --> 00:34:53,100
<i>Bill Bonin had been there</i>
<i>for approximately ten minutes.</i>

520
00:34:55,967 --> 00:34:56,000
He had a young man
with him.

521
00:34:58,367 --> 00:35:01,166
Light tint, he had
sandy color hair,

522
00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:04,767
and, uh, he had
injured upper lip.

523
00:35:09,166 --> 00:35:12,567
<i>Then I left and, uh,</i>
<i>went home.</i>

524
00:35:12,567 --> 00:35:15,867
<i>I didn't see Bill for,</i>
<i>probably, a couple</i>
<i>of weeks after that.</i>

525
00:35:17,467 --> 00:35:20,767
[reporter] <i>The nude body</i>
<i>of a young man found</i>
<i>in a service station</i>

526
00:35:20,767 --> 00:35:25,367
<i>might be another victim</i>
<i>of the so-called</i>
<i>Freeway Killer.</i>

527
00:35:25,367 --> 00:35:25,720
[detective] <i>I feel that</i>
<i>there is a similarity,</i>

528
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:26,000
[detective] <i>I feel that</i>
<i>there is a similarity,</i>

529
00:35:27,266 --> 00:35:29,567
<i>at least, generally,</i>
<i>in so much as,</i>

530
00:35:29,567 --> 00:35:33,567
uh, this fits the pattern
of young males, nude,

531
00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:36,000
uh, clean looking,

532
00:35:36,066 --> 00:35:39,367
dropped near a freeway area,
who have died
from strangulation.

533
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,867
Larry Sharp, it shook me up
pretty good.

534
00:35:52,867 --> 00:35:54,567
[chuckles] Uh...

535
00:35:54,567 --> 00:35:55,720
What's the chances
that I was working
with a freeway killer?

536
00:35:55,720 --> 00:35:56,000
What's the chances
that I was working
with a freeway killer?

537
00:35:59,367 --> 00:36:02,300
Little did I know
I was sitting next to him.

538
00:36:02,367 --> 00:36:05,367
[reporter] <i>Homicide detectives</i>
<i>believe the killer</i>
<i>has now claimed...</i>

539
00:36:05,367 --> 00:36:09,967
<i>Target force across Southern</i>
<i>California is working</i>
<i>night and day.</i>

540
00:36:09,967 --> 00:36:12,767
<i>They are rapidly expanding</i>
<i>investigation</i>

541
00:36:12,767 --> 00:36:16,367
<i>before the death toll</i>
<i>rises any further.</i>

542
00:36:16,367 --> 00:36:18,867
[Ronald] <i>Homicide detectives</i>
<i>couldn't keep up.</i>

543
00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:22,300
It put even more pressure
on the detectives,

544
00:36:22,367 --> 00:36:23,700
you know,
"We gotta catch this guy."

545
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,800
[Ray] <i>In the turn</i>
<i>of the 1980s,</i>

546
00:36:34,867 --> 00:36:38,166
<i>South Gate California</i>
<i>was going through</i>
<i>a transition.</i>

547
00:36:38,867 --> 00:36:40,700
<i>The city was changing,</i>

548
00:36:40,767 --> 00:36:43,166
<i>General Motors</i>
<i>was closing down,</i>

549
00:36:43,166 --> 00:36:44,734
<i>we had some notorious gangs</i>

550
00:36:44,767 --> 00:36:47,600
<i>that were infiltrating</i>
<i>the junior highs</i>
<i>and the high schools.</i>

551
00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:52,266
<i>My name is Ray Carvajal.</i>

552
00:36:52,266 --> 00:36:53,867
<i>I was the youth pastor</i>

553
00:36:53,867 --> 00:36:56,166
<i>at South Gate</i>
<i>Foursquare Church,</i>

554
00:36:56,166 --> 00:36:57,867
<i>South Gate California</i>

555
00:36:57,867 --> 00:36:58,920
<i>during the time</i>
<i>of the Freeway Killer.</i>

556
00:36:58,920 --> 00:36:59,000
<i>during the time</i>
<i>of the Freeway Killer.</i>

557
00:37:02,367 --> 00:37:04,867
There were kids coming
in here and they're

558
00:37:04,867 --> 00:37:06,166
asking for help.

559
00:37:06,166 --> 00:37:09,100
Getting out of certain groups
is sometimes difficult

560
00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:10,567
and sometimes
you have to walk away.

561
00:37:12,266 --> 00:37:15,367
<i>I wanted to give them</i>
<i>something that they</i>
<i>can rely on.</i>

562
00:37:15,367 --> 00:37:16,800
<i>And that's the word of God.</i>

563
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:21,500
<i>Sean started coming</i>
<i>to the youth group.</i>

564
00:37:21,567 --> 00:37:22,900
<i>He was 14 years old.</i>

565
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,667
<i>He was looking for a change.</i>

566
00:37:25,667 --> 00:37:27,567
<i>It was just exciting to see</i>

567
00:37:28,567 --> 00:37:28,920
these kids become
part of your life.

568
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:29,000
these kids become
part of your life.

569
00:37:30,767 --> 00:37:33,667
And you're trying
to impact them in a, uh,

570
00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:34,900
in a positive way.

571
00:37:42,767 --> 00:37:46,000
<i>May of 1980 was a day</i>
<i>I will never forget.</i>

572
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:51,200
<i>Well, we're at the,</i>
<i>uh, location where,</i>

573
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:53,867
<i>uh, we ran into Sean.</i>

574
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,367
We pulled right up here

575
00:37:56,867 --> 00:37:57,900
and, uh,

576
00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:01,300
I look to my right
as I'm getting ready to exit

577
00:38:01,367 --> 00:38:04,000
and I said to my wife,
"That looks like Sean."

578
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,567
And she looked over
and she goes, "That is Sean."

579
00:38:06,567 --> 00:38:08,767
So he continued walking
this way

580
00:38:08,767 --> 00:38:11,700
and he came around the car.

581
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,867
<i>I can still see</i>
<i>the blonde hair</i>
<i>and those big blue eyes.</i>

582
00:38:18,066 --> 00:38:21,700
<i>He's like a kid that is</i>
<i>just starting off life.</i>

583
00:38:23,767 --> 00:38:26,567
We started talking about,
obviously, the transition
he's making.

584
00:38:26,567 --> 00:38:28,920
The, uh, starting over
at a new junior high.

585
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,000
The, uh, starting over
at a new junior high.

586
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:34,600
<i>I said, "I see you walking,</i>
<i>did your mom drop you off</i>

587
00:38:34,667 --> 00:38:36,400
<i>at the corner</i>
<i>or something like that?"</i>

588
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,967
<i>He goes, "No, I take the bus,"</i>
<i>you know, "I live</i>
<i>at Firestone Boulevard."</i>

589
00:38:40,967 --> 00:38:43,000
<i>I said, "Well, you...</i>
<i>you have a good day."</i>

590
00:38:44,767 --> 00:38:49,667
Little did I know that that
morning was going to be
the last time I saw Sean.

591
00:39:06,500 --> 00:39:08,467
{\an8}[detective speaking]

592
00:39:08,467 --> 00:39:10,500
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

593
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,100
{\an8}[detective speaking]

594
00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:37,967
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

595
00:39:50,667 --> 00:39:55,667
We got home from work
and, uh, I get a call
from Sean's mom.

596
00:39:55,667 --> 00:39:57,700
And she goes,
"Sean has not arrived."

597
00:39:57,767 --> 00:39:58,867
I said, "Hmm."

598
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,500
<i>I took a drive</i>
<i>looking for Sean.</i>

599
00:40:10,166 --> 00:40:12,700
<i>I remember calling</i>
<i>our youth president</i>

600
00:40:12,767 --> 00:40:15,000
<i>and I said, "Hey,</i>
<i>can you get everybody to..."</i>

601
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,600
Just start calling
all of... all the kids

602
00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:18,000
and say, "Hey,
is Sean with you?"

603
00:40:19,767 --> 00:40:22,900
<i>And then we see</i>
<i>that breaking news...</i>

604
00:40:22,967 --> 00:40:26,667
[reporter] ... <i>14-year-old boy</i>
<i>has disappeared</i>
<i>in a suspected kidnapping.</i>

605
00:40:26,667 --> 00:40:28,920
<i>He was last seen</i>
<i>at Firestone Boulevard.</i>

606
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,000
<i>He was last seen</i>
<i>at Firestone Boulevard.</i>

607
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:34,767
And one of the kids,
kind of, looked back,

608
00:40:34,767 --> 00:40:36,800
"Isn't that where Sean
takes the bus?"

609
00:40:36,867 --> 00:40:40,100
And it's like,
all of a sudden,
we, kind of, knew.

610
00:40:46,567 --> 00:40:47,667
[Bonin speaking]

611
00:41:18,667 --> 00:41:19,967
[Ray] <i>I mean,</i>
<i>where do you look?</i>

612
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,767
Where are they headed?
Nothing. You have zero
to work on.

613
00:41:26,567 --> 00:41:28,920
<i>We heard of the Freeway Killer</i>
<i>through the news,</i>

614
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:29,000
<i>We heard of the Freeway Killer</i>
<i>through the news,</i>

615
00:41:29,166 --> 00:41:31,867
<i>I said, "You know what,</i>
<i>they've been trying</i>
<i>to break this case,</i>

616
00:41:32,667 --> 00:41:34,166
all the indicators were there

617
00:41:34,166 --> 00:41:37,100
and they have not been able
to break this case."

618
00:41:37,166 --> 00:41:38,700
And the kids said,
"Let's just pray."

619
00:41:46,467 --> 00:41:48,300
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

620
00:41:56,367 --> 00:41:57,367
<i>Uh...</i>

621
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,166
{\an8}[detective speaking]

622
00:42:12,166 --> 00:42:14,367
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

623
00:42:53,467 --> 00:42:54,900
There is nothing we can do.

624
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,200
[Dave] <i>I interviewed</i>
<i>Sean King's mother</i>
<i>a number of times.</i>

625
00:43:04,266 --> 00:43:06,600
<i>She's a very, very,</i>
<i>very sweet woman.</i>

626
00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:09,266
You met these people,
you met family members,

627
00:43:09,266 --> 00:43:10,700
you met the brothers,

628
00:43:10,767 --> 00:43:14,000
you met the sisters,
you met the moms,
you met the dads.

629
00:43:14,066 --> 00:43:17,400
I mean, they were just
absolutely heart-broken.

630
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,166
<i>And you felt so bad</i>

631
00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:22,600
<i>'cause you felt so helpless</i>
<i>that you couldn't do anything.</i>

632
00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:28,920
<i>More than once,</i>
<i>after I would be finished,</i>
<i>I would go home,</i>

633
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,000
<i>More than once,</i>
<i>after I would be finished,</i>
<i>I would go home,</i>

634
00:43:29,166 --> 00:43:30,867
you know, a lot of times
it'd be late at night

635
00:43:30,867 --> 00:43:33,900
and my kids were growing up
at that time, they were small,

636
00:43:33,967 --> 00:43:36,100
and, uh, I would just
look at them

637
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,367
and just, you know,
almost have a tear
come to my eye

638
00:43:38,367 --> 00:43:40,467
knowing how lucky
and fortunate I am

639
00:43:40,467 --> 00:43:42,100
that they're safe and sound.

640
00:43:42,100 --> 00:43:44,367
You count your lucky stars
at a time like that.

641
00:43:48,367 --> 00:43:49,967
<i>Sean King's mother,</i>

642
00:43:49,967 --> 00:43:52,367
<i>like so many other people</i>
<i>that I had interviewed,</i>

643
00:43:52,367 --> 00:43:54,400
<i>they were... they just wanted</i>
<i>to know why.</i>

644
00:43:57,166 --> 00:43:58,920
{\an8}[detective speaking]

645
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,000
{\an8}[detective speaking]

646
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,066
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

647
00:44:13,367 --> 00:44:15,967
[Dr. David] <i>In spite</i>
<i>of the fact that</i>
<i>William Bonin's brain</i>

648
00:44:15,967 --> 00:44:17,667
<i>did not develop normally,</i>

649
00:44:17,667 --> 00:44:20,100
and he did not have
the capacity

650
00:44:20,166 --> 00:44:24,467
for normal affiliation
and empathy,

651
00:44:24,467 --> 00:44:28,000
he still had this longing
for connection.

652
00:44:29,367 --> 00:44:31,867
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

653
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,467
{\an8}[detective speaking]

654
00:44:35,467 --> 00:44:38,967
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

655
00:44:38,967 --> 00:44:41,266
[Dr. David] <i>If we got</i>
<i>into the details</i>

656
00:44:41,266 --> 00:44:43,900
of what happened
when he was growing up,

657
00:44:43,967 --> 00:44:48,266
we would see what he did was
replicate the type of abuse.

658
00:44:50,100 --> 00:44:55,200
<i>He was bound by the older boys</i>
<i>in the juvenile system</i>

659
00:44:55,266 --> 00:44:58,800
<i>who would rape and,</i>
<i>um, beat him.</i>

660
00:44:59,767 --> 00:45:02,100
<i>He was strangled by them.</i>

661
00:45:04,467 --> 00:45:09,400
We form bonds under intense
emotional experience.

662
00:45:09,467 --> 00:45:12,867
So he forms these
sadomasochistic bonds

663
00:45:12,867 --> 00:45:17,500
by being bound
and choked and raped

664
00:45:17,567 --> 00:45:19,567
by 12 to 19-year-olds.

665
00:45:20,166 --> 00:45:21,600
Who are those he kills?

666
00:45:21,667 --> 00:45:23,100
Twelve to 19-year-olds.

667
00:45:26,100 --> 00:45:28,920
<i>He needed someone who could</i>

668
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,000
<i>He needed someone who could</i>

669
00:45:29,767 --> 00:45:33,600
share his experience
and so he went about
trying to create

670
00:45:33,667 --> 00:45:37,000
those who were victimized
like he was victimized.

671
00:45:38,767 --> 00:45:40,367
{\an8}[detective speaking]

672
00:45:41,300 --> 00:45:42,700
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

673
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:45,100
{\an8}[detective speaking]

674
00:45:46,667 --> 00:45:48,767
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

675
00:45:54,667 --> 00:45:56,667
[Dr. David]
<i>He exclusively states</i>

676
00:45:56,667 --> 00:45:58,920
what he enjoyed was not...
It wasn't about the sex.

677
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,000
what he enjoyed was not...
It wasn't about the sex.

678
00:46:00,066 --> 00:46:02,000
It was about the feeling
of control,

679
00:46:02,066 --> 00:46:04,066
about feeling of dominance.

680
00:46:04,066 --> 00:46:07,567
The worst feeling
for a human being
is helplessness.

681
00:46:07,567 --> 00:46:10,567
All of his life he's
just a helpless wave.

682
00:46:10,567 --> 00:46:12,367
When it finally
explodes forward

683
00:46:12,367 --> 00:46:14,567
and he has no right hemisphere
to evaluate,

684
00:46:15,867 --> 00:46:16,767
<i>terror,</i>

685
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:18,166
<i>rage,</i>

686
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,166
<i>despair.</i>

687
00:46:21,066 --> 00:46:22,300
<i>It's inevitable.</i>

688
00:46:22,367 --> 00:46:25,100
<i>There's nothing</i>
<i>that he could do to stop it.</i>

689
00:46:36,467 --> 00:46:39,166
[reporter] <i>For Steven,</i>
<i>June 2nd started</i>
<i>like most days did</i>

690
00:46:39,166 --> 00:46:41,266
<i>in the last three months</i>
<i>of his life.</i>

691
00:46:41,266 --> 00:46:44,367
<i>He left this small</i>
<i>Downey apartment</i>
<i>where he lived alone</i>

692
00:46:44,367 --> 00:46:46,867
<i>and he took a bus</i>
<i>to work in Los Angeles.</i>

693
00:46:46,867 --> 00:46:48,300
<i>When last seen alive,</i>

694
00:46:48,367 --> 00:46:50,166
<i>Steven was at this bus stop</i>

695
00:46:50,166 --> 00:46:51,400
<i>shortly after 3 o'clock.</i>

696
00:46:52,467 --> 00:46:54,967
<i>Sometime between 8:00 p.m.</i>
<i>and midnight,</i>

697
00:46:54,967 --> 00:46:56,767
<i>that's when Steven</i>
<i>was strangled,</i>

698
00:46:56,767 --> 00:46:58,500
<i>his nude body then dumped</i>

699
00:46:58,567 --> 00:47:01,000
<i>and discovered shortly</i>
<i>before 1:00 a.m.</i>

700
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,723
<i>behind this dark,</i>
<i>deserted gas station</i>
<i>in Huntington Beach.</i>

701
00:47:02,723 --> 00:47:03,000
<i>behind this dark,</i>
<i>deserted gas station</i>
<i>in Huntington Beach.</i>

702
00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:12,166
[reporter] <i>These bodies</i>
<i>of young boys are now</i>
<i>being discovered...</i>

703
00:47:12,166 --> 00:47:16,367
<i>On a murderous rampage</i>
<i>across Southern California</i>

704
00:47:16,367 --> 00:47:18,867
<i>appears to be escalating.</i>

705
00:47:18,867 --> 00:47:22,567
[Ronald] <i>Back in the '70s</i>
<i>and the '80s,</i>
<i>the homicide detectives</i>

706
00:47:22,567 --> 00:47:24,900
didn't have all the tools
available to them

707
00:47:24,967 --> 00:47:27,066
as homicide detectives
do today.

708
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,667
<i>We didn't have DNA,</i>
<i>the computers.</i>

709
00:47:32,667 --> 00:47:32,723
<i>They had to be very creative.</i>

710
00:47:32,723 --> 00:47:33,000
<i>They had to be very creative.</i>

711
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:36,800
<i>By 1980,</i>

712
00:47:36,867 --> 00:47:38,967
<i>they were looking</i>
<i>for a break in the case.</i>

713
00:47:38,967 --> 00:47:40,667
They were using, uh,

714
00:47:40,667 --> 00:47:42,600
pc tape, or scotch tape

715
00:47:42,667 --> 00:47:45,767
and they would put it
on different parts
of the body of the victims

716
00:47:45,767 --> 00:47:48,700
to see if they could detect
any type of hair,

717
00:47:48,767 --> 00:47:49,967
any type of fiber.

718
00:47:52,767 --> 00:47:54,900
<i>And they noticed</i>
<i>on Steven Wood,</i>

719
00:47:54,967 --> 00:47:57,200
<i>it was a green fiber,</i>

720
00:47:57,266 --> 00:48:00,467
and they compared it
up to other,

721
00:48:00,467 --> 00:48:02,723
uh, fibers that were taken
off the other victims

722
00:48:02,723 --> 00:48:03,000
uh, fibers that were taken
off the other victims

723
00:48:03,467 --> 00:48:04,533
and it was the same.

724
00:48:09,767 --> 00:48:12,000
[Wyatt] <i>They took</i>
<i>all that in to the labs</i>

725
00:48:12,066 --> 00:48:14,266
and they came up
with a fiber

726
00:48:15,166 --> 00:48:16,867
that was from a carpet

727
00:48:17,567 --> 00:48:19,567
that was sold to vans,

728
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,367
<i>and actually found</i>
<i>the type of carpet,</i>

729
00:48:25,367 --> 00:48:27,567
<i>the manufacturer</i>
<i>of the carpet,</i>

730
00:48:27,567 --> 00:48:30,166
<i>then they start looking</i>
<i>at where it was sold the most.</i>

731
00:48:32,467 --> 00:48:32,723
[Ronald] <i>This was a big break.</i>

732
00:48:32,723 --> 00:48:33,000
[Ronald] <i>This was a big break.</i>

733
00:48:33,867 --> 00:48:37,767
Now they knew there was,
uh, a scientific connection

734
00:48:37,767 --> 00:48:39,266
between these cases.

735
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:44,567
<i>But nothing was uncovered</i>

736
00:48:44,567 --> 00:48:47,767
to point a clue as to who
that suspect could be.

737
00:48:57,467 --> 00:48:59,567
<i>And then sometime later,</i>

738
00:48:59,567 --> 00:49:02,723
in the most bizarre way,
everything changed.

739
00:49:02,723 --> 00:49:02,800
in the most bizarre way,
everything changed.

740
00:49:06,266 --> 00:49:08,266
<i>There was a young juvenile,</i>

741
00:49:09,867 --> 00:49:12,600
<i>Billy Pugh was his name</i>
<i>and he was a car thief.</i>

742
00:49:15,467 --> 00:49:17,367
<i>Stole one, he got caught.</i>

743
00:49:27,700 --> 00:49:31,266
[reporter] <i>In the majority</i>
<i>of cases, the bodies had been</i>
<i>dumped near freeways.</i>

744
00:49:31,266 --> 00:49:32,723
<i>So the suspect</i>
<i>investigators are looking for</i>

745
00:49:32,723 --> 00:49:33,000
<i>So the suspect</i>
<i>investigators are looking for</i>

746
00:49:33,567 --> 00:49:36,200
<i>has been dubbed</i>
<i>the Freeway Killer.</i>

747
00:49:36,266 --> 00:49:40,066
[Ronald] <i>He was in custody,</i>
<i>waiting for his case</i>
<i>to come up,</i>

748
00:49:40,066 --> 00:49:43,266
<i>and for some reason</i>
<i>he heard on the radio</i>

749
00:49:43,266 --> 00:49:46,266
somebody talking
about the Freeway Killer,

750
00:49:46,266 --> 00:49:51,000
and the nude bodies,
and the remote locations,
and so forth.

751
00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:55,100
<i>Now, Billy Pugh didn't like</i>
<i>the fact that he got caught,</i>

752
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,767
<i>so he was willing</i>
<i>to make a deal.</i>

753
00:49:59,367 --> 00:50:01,500
<i>So, he said to his counsellor,</i>

754
00:50:01,567 --> 00:50:02,723
<i>"I think I know</i>
<i>who that could be."</i>

755
00:50:02,723 --> 00:50:03,000
<i>"I think I know</i>
<i>who that could be."</i>

756
00:50:04,867 --> 00:50:06,166
The counsellor

757
00:50:06,967 --> 00:50:08,467
took that information

758
00:50:08,467 --> 00:50:11,667
and contacted
a police officer on the case,

759
00:50:11,667 --> 00:50:12,967
<i>Jigsaw John.</i>

760
00:50:16,266 --> 00:50:20,467
He came out the next day
and talked to Billy Pugh.

761
00:50:20,467 --> 00:50:23,166
<i>And that's when</i>
<i>Billy Pugh said,</i>

762
00:50:23,166 --> 00:50:26,166
<i>"You know, I was</i>
<i>at a party one time and I...</i>

763
00:50:26,166 --> 00:50:28,667
I left the party,
I came outside

764
00:50:28,667 --> 00:50:30,667
and a guy offered me a ride.

765
00:50:34,767 --> 00:50:37,767
<i>Then he started</i>
<i>kinda playing around with me,</i>

766
00:50:37,767 --> 00:50:39,567
<i>touching me,</i>
<i>which I didn't like.</i>

767
00:50:41,166 --> 00:50:44,000
<i>He started telling me</i>
<i>how he liked to kill people.</i>

768
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,967
<i>He liked to molest people.</i>

769
00:50:50,767 --> 00:50:53,300
Billy Pugh was kind of afraid.

770
00:50:53,367 --> 00:50:55,166
He wanted to get away.

771
00:50:55,166 --> 00:50:57,166
<i>And when he got to his house,</i>

772
00:50:57,166 --> 00:51:00,567
<i>the guy said to him,</i>
<i>"Okay, I'm gonna let you go</i>

773
00:51:00,567 --> 00:51:02,500
because people
saw us together."

774
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,800
<i>Billy Pugh explains</i>
<i>to Jigsaw John that, uh,</i>

775
00:51:10,867 --> 00:51:12,266
<i>his name was William Bonin.</i>

776
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,467
As soon as Jigsaw John
finished the interview,

777
00:51:21,467 --> 00:51:25,266
he went back down,
talked to the task force.

778
00:51:25,266 --> 00:51:29,367
<i>And he ran the name</i>
<i>"William Bonin"</i>
<i>through the rap sheet.</i>

779
00:51:31,567 --> 00:51:32,723
<i>They couldn't believe</i>
<i>what they were reading.</i>

780
00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:33,000
<i>They couldn't believe</i>
<i>what they were reading.</i>

781
00:51:34,667 --> 00:51:36,800
<i>One offense after</i>
<i>another offense,</i>

782
00:51:36,867 --> 00:51:38,200
<i>after another offense.</i>

783
00:51:39,367 --> 00:51:42,767
<i>All of the sex crimes</i>
<i>that he had been convicted of.</i>

784
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:47,000
<i>The fact that he had been</i>
<i>sent to Atascadero,</i>

785
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,367
<i>the mental hospital</i>
<i>for California.</i>

786
00:51:52,166 --> 00:51:54,100
<i>Then he was sent</i>
<i>to the state prison</i>

787
00:51:54,100 --> 00:51:57,100
<i>because there wasn't anything</i>
<i>that they could do with him</i>
<i>after the whole situation.</i>

788
00:51:59,266 --> 00:52:02,667
Well, this was a big break
in the case.

789
00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:21,367
[Dr. Vonda Pelto] <i>When Bonin</i>
<i>was convicted in 1969,</i>

790
00:52:21,367 --> 00:52:27,600
he was convicted
of sexually abusing

791
00:52:27,667 --> 00:52:30,000
four teenagers.

792
00:52:32,166 --> 00:52:34,600
Would you bring
the patient in, please?

793
00:52:34,667 --> 00:52:38,100
[Dr. Vonda Pelto] <i>And so,</i>
<i>the court decided to have him,</i>

794
00:52:38,166 --> 00:52:39,893
<i>uh, interviewed</i>
<i>by a psychiatrist</i>

795
00:52:39,893 --> 00:52:40,000
<i>uh, interviewed</i>
<i>by a psychiatrist</i>

796
00:52:41,166 --> 00:52:46,000
who then put the label
of mentally disordered,
sexual offender.

797
00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:51,967
<i>Then he was sent off</i>
<i>to Atascadero</i>

798
00:52:51,967 --> 00:52:54,266
<i>for hospitalization</i>

799
00:52:54,266 --> 00:52:58,000
<i>to be cured</i>
<i>of these tendencies</i>

800
00:52:58,066 --> 00:53:02,066
with homosexuality
and raping young boys.

801
00:53:03,967 --> 00:53:07,767
[narrator] <i>Whilst in his cell,</i>
<i>a man's condition</i>
<i>should be checked often.</i>

802
00:53:07,767 --> 00:53:09,767
<i>It's not unusual</i>
<i>for mentally disturbed people</i>

803
00:53:09,767 --> 00:53:09,893
<i>to have moods that swing</i>
<i>from one extreme to the other.</i>

804
00:53:09,893 --> 00:53:10,000
<i>to have moods that swing</i>
<i>from one extreme to the other.</i>

805
00:53:16,266 --> 00:53:18,767
[Dr. David Foster] <i>At the time</i>
<i>that Bonin was there,</i>

806
00:53:18,767 --> 00:53:24,367
they would use, uh,
extremely aversive techniques.

807
00:53:24,367 --> 00:53:28,300
Um, shocks, using
electro-convulsive therapy.

808
00:53:28,367 --> 00:53:31,800
Not as treatment,
but as a way
of softening someone up.

809
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,867
<i>They have this</i>
<i>ancient notion that</i>

810
00:53:39,867 --> 00:53:39,893
<i>if you had</i>
<i>a homosexual orientation,</i>

811
00:53:39,893 --> 00:53:40,000
<i>if you had</i>
<i>a homosexual orientation,</i>

812
00:53:42,867 --> 00:53:48,266
you could force someone
into a conversion
to heterosexuality.

813
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:56,467
[Don Kilhefner]
<i>We tried to intervene</i>
<i>at Atascadero State Hospital</i>

814
00:53:56,467 --> 00:54:01,600
and bring some sanity
into that, um, arena.

815
00:54:03,467 --> 00:54:09,767
<i>There are record of gay men</i>
<i>as young as 14</i>
<i>being sent there.</i>

816
00:54:09,767 --> 00:54:09,893
<i>They could do</i>
<i>whatever they wanted to there.</i>

817
00:54:09,893 --> 00:54:10,000
<i>They could do</i>
<i>whatever they wanted to there.</i>

818
00:54:12,667 --> 00:54:15,467
<i>Chemical emasculation.</i>

819
00:54:15,467 --> 00:54:19,900
A whole new mental illness
was created around us.

820
00:54:19,967 --> 00:54:24,467
It wasn't only at Atascadero,
it was happening
all over the country.

821
00:54:26,266 --> 00:54:29,367
[Dr. David Foster]
<i>I think the understanding</i>
<i>of these things</i>

822
00:54:29,367 --> 00:54:31,767
<i>was so primitive at that time.</i>

823
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:35,467
<i>The methods were so limited</i>

824
00:54:35,467 --> 00:54:38,667
<i>that the efforts were more</i>
<i>damaging than helpful.</i>

825
00:54:41,767 --> 00:54:47,066
The tragedy of
what made Bonin who he is
is incalculable.

826
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:55,467
[Dr. Vonda Pelto] <i>Ultimately,</i>
<i>he was in Atascadero</i>

827
00:54:55,467 --> 00:54:59,600
because the staff was saying
that he was not cured.

828
00:54:59,667 --> 00:55:03,667
But the psychiatrist said
there's still hope for him.

829
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,893
<i>So ultimately, Bonin,</i>
<i>after years of treatment</i>
<i>in Atascadero, imprisoned.</i>

830
00:55:09,893 --> 00:55:10,000
<i>So ultimately, Bonin,</i>
<i>after years of treatment</i>
<i>in Atascadero, imprisoned.</i>

831
00:55:12,367 --> 00:55:15,667
<i>He was released in late '78.</i>

832
00:55:19,367 --> 00:55:21,266
[Ronald E Bowers]
<i>Well, what's interesting</i>
<i>about it was that</i>

833
00:55:21,266 --> 00:55:23,166
<i>just six months or so later</i>

834
00:55:23,166 --> 00:55:29,467
was the genesis
of the freeway killer
serial killings.

835
00:55:30,166 --> 00:55:33,567
And in his diary, he says,

836
00:55:33,567 --> 00:55:37,767
"From now on,
there will not be any more
victims left alive."

837
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,500
[Dave Lopez] <i>William Bonin</i>
<i>should have never been</i>
<i>released from prison.</i>

838
00:55:47,567 --> 00:55:50,166
<i>This was definitely</i>
<i>a lost opportunity.</i>

839
00:55:50,166 --> 00:55:52,467
<i>One of the victims was 12</i>
<i>for God's sake.</i>

840
00:55:52,467 --> 00:55:55,367
You're at the prime
of your life.
You're just beginning living.

841
00:55:55,367 --> 00:56:02,100
{\an8}And to let...
Have society let someone out
like a Bonin roam free,

842
00:56:02,166 --> 00:56:05,467
<i>not fair, it's not right,</i>
<i>and sure, it leaves me angry.</i>

843
00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:09,893
[reporter] <i>Investigators</i>
<i>now believe the death toll</i>
<i>has reached 21 bodies.</i>

844
00:56:09,893 --> 00:56:10,000
[reporter] <i>Investigators</i>
<i>now believe the death toll</i>
<i>has reached 21 bodies.</i>

845
00:56:13,967 --> 00:56:18,967
<i>Putting the murderer in league</i>
<i>with America's most deadly</i>
<i>serial killers.</i>

846
00:56:18,967 --> 00:56:23,100
<i>Homicide detectives say that</i>
<i>they're pursuing a number</i>
<i>of suspects in the case.</i>

847
00:56:25,767 --> 00:56:30,500
[Ronald E Bowers] <i>After Jigsaw</i>
<i>John had gotten the</i>
<i>information from Billy Pugh,</i>

848
00:56:30,567 --> 00:56:35,667
<i>this gave law enforcement</i>
<i>the opportunity to zero in.</i>

849
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:39,893
<i>But they had no evidence</i>
<i>on this William Bonin.</i>

850
00:56:39,893 --> 00:56:40,000
<i>But they had no evidence</i>
<i>on this William Bonin.</i>

851
00:56:49,867 --> 00:56:53,266
<i>The ball is now in the court</i>
<i>of the detectives</i>

852
00:56:53,266 --> 00:56:56,300
<i>to figure out a way.</i>
<i>How are they going</i>
<i>to build a case?</i>

853
00:56:58,300 --> 00:57:00,567
<i>They decided, "We gotta</i>
<i>catch him in the act."</i>

854
00:57:32,467 --> 00:57:36,667
<i>On the ninth day,</i>
<i>William Bonin drives</i>
<i>to the Hollywood area.</i>

855
00:57:41,166 --> 00:57:43,767
<i>The surveillance team</i>
<i>is trying to follow him.</i>

856
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:58,867
<i>He's driving up and down,</i>
<i>and he pick up a young man.</i>

857
00:58:01,967 --> 00:58:04,800
<i>There's some type</i>
<i>of transaction</i>
<i>that takes place.</i>

858
00:58:14,567 --> 00:58:16,567
They drive
to an isolated area.

859
00:58:18,467 --> 00:58:21,266
<i>After a while,</i>
<i>the van starts shaking.</i>

860
00:58:24,667 --> 00:58:29,367
But at what stage
do the detectives get out
and go over there

861
00:58:29,367 --> 00:58:31,667
and look inside
to see what's going on?

862
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,567
<i>If they waited too long,</i>
<i>what could happen?</i>

863
00:58:38,567 --> 00:58:39,893
That victim could be
the next person killed.

864
00:58:39,893 --> 00:58:40,000
That victim could be
the next person killed.

865
00:58:54,867 --> 00:58:58,100
And immediately,
they could see that, uh,

866
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:02,667
this victim was tied up.
Was... I think,
was handcuffed.

867
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,400
<i>They realized that</i>
<i>he was being</i>
<i>sexually molested.</i>

868
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:14,100
This victim was 17 years old.

869
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:17,867
That meant that they could
arrest William Bonin

870
00:59:17,867 --> 00:59:21,066
for committing
an insidious act
on a minor.

871
00:59:21,066 --> 00:59:25,567
Now, if he had been an adult,
they most likely would not
have been able to arrest him.

872
00:59:30,266 --> 00:59:33,700
<i>There was kind of a green shag</i>
<i>carpeting in the back.</i>

873
00:59:33,767 --> 00:59:37,867
<i>Uh, very similar</i>
<i>to the fibers that</i>
<i>they had found earlier.</i>

874
00:59:41,567 --> 00:59:44,767
<i>But also</i>
<i>in the side of the van,</i>

875
00:59:44,767 --> 00:59:50,166
<i>there was a cord,</i>
<i>pliers, a carjack.</i>

876
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,100
<i>There was a tire iron.</i>

877
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:55,767
<i>There was blood spatter</i>
<i>on the walls,</i>

878
00:59:55,767 --> 00:59:57,667
<i>there was blood on the floor.</i>

879
01:00:00,967 --> 01:00:05,867
<i>In the glove box, we found</i>
<i>newspaper clippings</i>
<i>of the freeway killer.</i>

880
01:00:08,667 --> 01:00:09,893
<i>But also, there were</i>
<i>no handles on the door.</i>

881
01:00:09,893 --> 01:00:10,000
<i>But also, there were</i>
<i>no handles on the door.</i>

882
01:00:11,767 --> 01:00:15,400
If you were a victim
in that van,

883
01:00:15,467 --> 01:00:17,100
there was no way of escaping.

884
01:00:26,300 --> 01:00:27,600
<i>So, he's arrested.</i>

885
01:00:27,667 --> 01:00:30,166
<i>Now they know they have him</i>
<i>off the street.</i>

886
01:00:34,166 --> 01:00:37,367
But they didn't arrest him
for being the freeway killer,

887
01:00:37,367 --> 01:00:39,893
they arrested him for eluding
the city's conduct
on a minor.

888
01:00:39,893 --> 01:00:40,000
they arrested him for eluding
the city's conduct
on a minor.

889
01:00:42,867 --> 01:00:46,266
<i>Now they had to see</i>
<i>if they could find</i>
<i>any concrete evidence</i>

890
01:00:46,266 --> 01:00:48,567
<i>that they could tie him</i>
<i>to these serial killings.</i>

891
01:00:49,567 --> 01:00:51,500
<i>They needed the smoking gun.</i>

892
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,266
[reporter 1] <i>Los Angeles</i>
<i>Police Department</i>
<i>said last night</i>

893
01:00:57,266 --> 01:00:59,367
<i>they have arrested a man</i>
<i>in connection with</i>

894
01:00:59,367 --> 01:01:01,900
<i>-the so called freeway killer.</i>
-[reporter 2]
<i>...very cautious right now.</i>

895
01:01:01,967 --> 01:01:03,900
[reporter 3]
<i>So far, 33 year old</i>
<i>William Bonin...</i>

896
01:01:03,967 --> 01:01:06,400
[reporters talking
indistinctly]

897
01:01:12,867 --> 01:01:14,700
[reporter 4] <i>William Bonin</i>
<i>remains in custody</i>

898
01:01:14,767 --> 01:01:16,667
<i>as investigators</i>
<i>process the evidence</i>

899
01:01:16,667 --> 01:01:18,767
<i>obtained during</i>
<i>the search of his home.</i>

900
01:01:18,767 --> 01:01:21,800
<i>Authorities from</i>
<i>various jurisdictions</i>
<i>are trying to see if...</i>

901
01:01:21,867 --> 01:01:25,200
[Dave Lopez] <i>The night</i>
<i>that Bonin was arrested</i>

902
01:01:25,266 --> 01:01:26,867
put up the address
of his, uh...

903
01:01:28,567 --> 01:01:30,033
the house.

904
01:01:31,100 --> 01:01:35,467
<i>Every station in town</i>
<i>was there.</i>
<i>Every reporter was there.</i>

905
01:01:35,467 --> 01:01:39,266
<i>There must have been</i>
<i>20 to 30 detectives</i>
<i>just swarming.</i>

906
01:01:39,266 --> 01:01:39,893
<i>It was a mad house.</i>

907
01:01:39,893 --> 01:01:40,000
<i>It was a mad house.</i>

908
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,567
<i>This was the home</i>
<i>of his mother.</i>

909
01:01:55,567 --> 01:01:59,600
<i>Through all of this bedlam,</i>
<i>I saw this woman.</i>

910
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:02,700
<i>Thought almost right away</i>
<i>that this was his mother.</i>

911
01:02:03,467 --> 01:02:05,066
<i>And she was all by herself.</i>

912
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:09,700
<i>Obviously she was in shock.</i>

913
01:02:09,767 --> 01:02:09,893
<i>And I felt sorry for her.</i>

914
01:02:09,893 --> 01:02:10,000
<i>And I felt sorry for her.</i>

915
01:02:11,867 --> 01:02:14,400
<i>You know, just sitting there</i>
<i>in all this commotion</i>
<i>all around her</i>

916
01:02:14,467 --> 01:02:16,900
<i>and she looked like</i>
<i>the loneliest person</i>
<i>in the world.</i>

917
01:02:20,367 --> 01:02:23,266
<i>I took note of it.</i>
<i>Said, "You know what,</i>
<i>I'm gonna come back."</i>

918
01:02:31,567 --> 01:02:36,000
<i>The next morning, I showed up,</i>
<i>and to my surprise,</i>
<i>there was absolutely nobody.</i>

919
01:02:36,066 --> 01:02:38,066
<i>I mean, nobody was</i>
<i>in front of that house.</i>

920
01:02:40,567 --> 01:02:44,100
She, uh, answered the door
and I introduced myself.

921
01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:47,767
I told her who I... Who I am.
And would she like
to talk about her son.

922
01:02:47,767 --> 01:02:49,266
About what she went through
last night.

923
01:02:49,266 --> 01:02:52,266
And what she has
to say about it.
About... About him.

924
01:02:53,166 --> 01:02:54,867
And to my shock, she agreed.

925
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,800
<i>I spoke to his mother</i>
<i>in an exclusive interview,</i>

926
01:02:58,867 --> 01:03:02,567
<i>and she freely talked</i>
<i>about her son</i>
<i>and about his tendencies.</i>

927
01:03:04,667 --> 01:03:07,200
I know he's a homosexual.

928
01:03:07,266 --> 01:03:09,467
And they'd been trying
to cure him of it.

929
01:03:09,467 --> 01:03:09,893
But, uh, he's not a murderer.

930
01:03:09,893 --> 01:03:10,000
But, uh, he's not a murderer.

931
01:03:13,367 --> 01:03:14,467
[Dave Lopez]
Does he talk to you openly

932
01:03:14,467 --> 01:03:16,700
-about his homosexuality?
-Yes. He's very...

933
01:03:16,767 --> 01:03:19,000
He's very frank with me.
He's very honest.

934
01:03:19,867 --> 01:03:21,266
He would not lie to me.

935
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,166
The stories that
boys in the neighborhood
were saying yesterday

936
01:03:26,166 --> 01:03:28,400
about how he's offer
other boys money,

937
01:03:28,467 --> 01:03:31,367
how he'd always
want to be on the lookout
for hitchhikers.

938
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:32,867
Is that true?

939
01:03:33,467 --> 01:03:34,600
I believe it is.

940
01:03:35,867 --> 01:03:37,967
Does he ever explain to you
or tell you in detail

941
01:03:37,967 --> 01:03:39,893
-what he does when he picks up
these boys?
-No.

942
01:03:39,893 --> 01:03:40,000
-what he does when he picks up
these boys?
-No.

943
01:03:42,767 --> 01:03:45,400
You were telling me earlier
that... That he has
admitted to you

944
01:03:45,467 --> 01:03:48,467
that he put handcuffs
on some of those boys
he would pick up?

945
01:03:48,467 --> 01:03:50,300
When he'd first come back
from Vietnam,

946
01:03:50,367 --> 01:03:51,767
he was violent, yes.

947
01:03:51,767 --> 01:03:53,266
Tell me a little more
about that, if you will.

948
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,100
Well, he...

949
01:03:56,266 --> 01:03:57,867
In the courts,
when it was said

950
01:03:57,867 --> 01:03:59,266
that he did that, he...

951
01:03:59,266 --> 01:04:01,300
They put handcuffs on them
and...

952
01:04:01,367 --> 01:04:02,900
He would put it on them and...

953
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:05,767
do his act
and then let them go.

954
01:04:06,667 --> 01:04:08,200
He never hurt them.

955
01:04:08,266 --> 01:04:09,893
What's it been like for you
the last couple of hours,

956
01:04:09,893 --> 01:04:10,000
What's it been like for you
the last couple of hours,

957
01:04:10,166 --> 01:04:11,800
the last...
The last day I guess

958
01:04:11,867 --> 01:04:13,500
-since this...
-Horrible.

959
01:04:17,467 --> 01:04:19,600
I never knew someone
could go through, like...

960
01:04:19,667 --> 01:04:22,166
Something like this
without breaking down.

961
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,867
He's innocent. I know he is.

962
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,467
We'll prove it
some way or another.

963
01:04:40,567 --> 01:04:43,467
[Ronald E Bowers] <i>The police,</i>
<i>they knew they had</i>
<i>the right person.</i>

964
01:04:43,467 --> 01:04:46,166
But they needed
concrete evidence

965
01:04:46,166 --> 01:04:48,367
in order to convict
William Bonin.

966
01:04:49,467 --> 01:04:52,467
<i>And so, they needed witnesses</i>
<i>to cooperate</i>

967
01:04:52,467 --> 01:04:55,100
<i>and come forward</i>
<i>to provide information.</i>

968
01:04:56,367 --> 01:04:59,200
So, the next thing
that the task force does,

969
01:04:59,266 --> 01:05:00,767
they start asking around.

970
01:05:01,567 --> 01:05:04,000
<i>"Who knows William Bonin?"</i>

971
01:05:04,066 --> 01:05:07,266
<i>They go wherever</i>
<i>he has had contact.</i>

972
01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:09,893
Someone said, "Yeah, yeah.
You know, we've seen
William Bonin."

973
01:05:09,893 --> 01:05:10,000
Someone said, "Yeah, yeah.
You know, we've seen
William Bonin."

974
01:05:12,266 --> 01:05:14,867
He hangs out
with Vernon Butts.

975
01:05:19,667 --> 01:05:24,166
<i>-So, they find his address</i>
<i>and they go over to his house.</i>
<i>-</i> [siren blaring]

976
01:05:26,867 --> 01:05:31,200
<i>Vernon Butts, he says,</i>
<i>"Yeah, yeah, yeah.</i>
<i>I know who William Bonin is."</i>

977
01:05:31,266 --> 01:05:33,367
<i>"I sometimes drive his van."</i>

978
01:05:33,367 --> 01:05:36,967
But then he starts
talking about "We...
We would drive at night

979
01:05:36,967 --> 01:05:38,567
and pick up hitchhikers."

980
01:05:41,467 --> 01:05:44,200
<i>Immediately,</i>
<i>that police officer thinks,</i>

981
01:05:44,266 --> 01:05:45,900
<i>"Wow, we got something here."</i>

982
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:51,100
<i>Vernon Butts said</i>
<i>Bonin would get</i>
<i>in the back of the van</i>

983
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:53,166
<i>and they would</i>
<i>pull the curtain.</i>

984
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:57,467
Vernon Butts could hear
different things going on.

985
01:05:57,467 --> 01:06:00,467
Screaming. He could hear
sexual activity.

986
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,200
<i>Constantly, Buss is</i>
<i>downplaying his involvement.</i>

987
01:06:06,266 --> 01:06:09,893
But the detectives realized,
"Wow. You know,
he's confessing."

988
01:06:09,893 --> 01:06:10,000
But the detectives realized,
"Wow. You know,
he's confessing."

989
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,467
<i>This was a big break</i>
<i>in the case.</i>

990
01:06:16,467 --> 01:06:19,400
<i>And so, detectives arrested</i>
<i>Vernon Butts.</i>

991
01:06:20,867 --> 01:06:23,266
He was essential
for the prosecution.

992
01:06:23,266 --> 01:06:25,567
And we were willing
to make a deal with him.

993
01:06:25,567 --> 01:06:30,000
That if he would testify,
well, against William Bonin,

994
01:06:30,066 --> 01:06:32,800
we would not go
for the death penalty.

995
01:06:33,367 --> 01:06:35,367
And he did it.

996
01:06:35,367 --> 01:06:39,100
<i>He gave some names.</i>
<i>He said, "You better check</i>
<i>these people out."</i>

997
01:06:39,166 --> 01:06:39,893
<i>And they couldn't believe</i>
<i>what was uncovered.</i>

998
01:06:39,893 --> 01:06:40,000
<i>And they couldn't believe</i>
<i>what was uncovered.</i>

999
01:06:49,266 --> 01:06:52,667
[Ronald E Bowers]
<i>William Bonin, when, uh,</i>
<i>committing his crimes,</i>

1000
01:06:52,667 --> 01:06:55,367
<i>he had all these accomplices.</i>

1001
01:06:55,367 --> 01:06:59,667
He was smart in a way
of knowing how to use people.

1002
01:06:59,667 --> 01:07:01,266
Manipulate people.

1003
01:07:01,333 --> 01:07:05,867
And that's why he would
pick on people
who weren't that bright.

1004
01:07:05,867 --> 01:07:11,934
<i>Vernon Butts</i>
<i>was the main accomplice</i>
<i>who would do the driving.</i>

1005
01:07:11,934 --> 01:07:16,567
<i>He testified that also</i>
<i>there was a Munroe.</i>

1006
01:07:16,567 --> 01:07:17,069
<i>He was homeless. He helped him</i>
<i>at the very end do a killing.</i>

1007
01:07:17,069 --> 01:07:18,000
<i>He was homeless. He helped him</i>
<i>at the very end do a killing.</i>

1008
01:07:21,433 --> 01:07:24,166
<i>Greg Miley, he was one</i>
<i>that could be talked into it.</i>

1009
01:07:24,233 --> 01:07:26,133
<i>Did it a few times for him.</i>

1010
01:07:27,166 --> 01:07:29,433
But the one
that was most surprising,

1011
01:07:30,100 --> 01:07:32,133
was Billy Pugh.

1012
01:07:32,133 --> 01:07:36,133
<i>Billy Pugh was the one</i>
<i>that blew the whistle.</i>

1013
01:07:37,033 --> 01:07:39,667
<i>These young men</i>
<i>would help him out in</i>

1014
01:07:39,734 --> 01:07:42,266
picking up hitchhikers,
driving the van,

1015
01:07:42,266 --> 01:07:46,934
so that he could molest
the victim in the back
of the van.

1016
01:07:46,934 --> 01:07:47,069
{\an8}<i>Very strange</i>
<i>for a serial killer</i>
<i>to use another person.</i>

1017
01:07:47,069 --> 01:07:48,000
{\an8}<i>Very strange</i>
<i>for a serial killer</i>
<i>to use another person.</i>

1018
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,033
When you have somebody else,
another accomplice,

1019
01:07:56,033 --> 01:07:58,634
that means that person
could be a witness
against you.

1020
01:08:05,767 --> 01:08:11,967
I met all of his recruits,
and they were all
very dependent, passive,

1021
01:08:11,967 --> 01:08:16,100
homosexual young boys,
who were not very bright.

1022
01:08:18,233 --> 01:08:25,066
<i>One of them had an IQ of 56,</i>
<i>and normal is 100.</i>

1023
01:08:25,066 --> 01:08:30,467
<i>Bonin took these boys in</i>
<i>and made them his lovers,</i>

1024
01:08:30,467 --> 01:08:34,266
<i>and then asked them to kill.</i>

1025
01:08:36,266 --> 01:08:40,767
He corrupted them
and made them victims also.

1026
01:08:46,133 --> 01:08:47,069
<i>When we prosecuted the case,</i>
<i>we filed 14 murders</i>
<i>against William Bonin.</i>

1027
01:08:47,069 --> 01:08:48,000
<i>When we prosecuted the case,</i>
<i>we filed 14 murders</i>
<i>against William Bonin.</i>

1028
01:08:54,266 --> 01:08:55,834
The District Attorney's
office,

1029
01:08:55,867 --> 01:08:59,266
in order to make a decision
on whether they should seek
the death penalty,

1030
01:08:59,333 --> 01:09:04,100
they needed to hear
from the defense,
as to any mitigating evidence.

1031
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:08,634
How remorseful you are,
or whether you really did it
or not.

1032
01:09:08,634 --> 01:09:14,967
<i>So, they gave the defendant,</i>
<i>William Bonin, an opportunity</i>
<i>to say whatever they wanted.</i>

1033
01:09:14,967 --> 01:09:17,069
<i>It was on the understanding</i>
<i>that it would not be used</i>
<i>against him in a court of law.</i>

1034
01:09:17,069 --> 01:09:18,000
<i>It was on the understanding</i>
<i>that it would not be used</i>
<i>against him in a court of law.</i>

1035
01:09:22,166 --> 01:09:25,367
So, that's where
these tapes come from.

1036
01:09:27,867 --> 01:09:29,166
{\an8}[detective speaking]

1037
01:09:29,934 --> 01:09:32,433
{\an8}[Bernie speaking]

1038
01:09:34,834 --> 01:09:37,734
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

1039
01:09:56,100 --> 01:10:01,166
I think we can safely,
with William Bonin, that no,
he was not an innocent person.

1040
01:10:01,233 --> 01:10:04,166
No, he could not
be rehabilitated.

1041
01:10:04,233 --> 01:10:07,266
Uh, so there could be
a strong argument

1042
01:10:07,333 --> 01:10:09,867
that he was deserving
of the death penalty.

1043
01:10:11,266 --> 01:10:15,367
{\an8}[Bonin speaking]

1044
01:10:36,667 --> 01:10:40,467
Once we had made the decision
to go for the death penalty,

1045
01:10:40,467 --> 01:10:43,767
we were never gonna use
those tapes in any way,
shape or form.

1046
01:10:43,834 --> 01:10:45,367
They were meant
to be confidential,

1047
01:10:45,367 --> 01:10:47,069
and they were never to be,
uh, told to the public.

1048
01:10:47,069 --> 01:10:48,000
and they were never to be,
uh, told to the public.

1049
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:57,867
<i>Vernon Butts was a man</i>
<i>with many problems,</i>

1050
01:10:57,934 --> 01:11:00,533
<i>but he was essential</i>
<i>for the prosecution</i>

1051
01:11:00,533 --> 01:11:03,767
<i>because he was</i>
<i>the main accomplice.</i>

1052
01:11:05,433 --> 01:11:08,066
Butts became distraught

1053
01:11:08,066 --> 01:11:12,266
about being pressured
into testifying against Bonin.

1054
01:11:12,266 --> 01:11:14,433
And he loved Bonin.

1055
01:11:14,433 --> 01:11:17,069
<i>So, he hung himself</i>
<i>in the jail.</i>

1056
01:11:17,069 --> 01:11:17,433
<i>So, he hung himself</i>
<i>in the jail.</i>

1057
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,166
[Bernie]
<i>This was a severe blow</i>
<i>to the prosecution.</i>

1058
01:11:26,166 --> 01:11:29,133
<i>We needed Butts' testimony.</i>

1059
01:11:29,133 --> 01:11:32,967
How is William Bonin
gonna be prosecuted now?

1060
01:11:36,834 --> 01:11:40,533
As a result of that, we had
to re-evaluate the case,

1061
01:11:40,533 --> 01:11:43,767
we had to dismiss
some of the murders,

1062
01:11:43,834 --> 01:11:47,069
because we knew
we couldn't prove them
without his testimony.

1063
01:11:47,069 --> 01:11:47,767
because we knew
we couldn't prove them
without his testimony.

1064
01:11:47,767 --> 01:11:48,000
That was when we brought in
these other accomplices.

1065
01:11:52,767 --> 01:11:56,934
<i>We had to use them,</i>
<i>but it was very difficult.</i>

1066
01:11:56,934 --> 01:12:02,467
<i>Because of limited IQ,</i>
<i>they're terrible witnesses</i>
<i>in court.</i>

1067
01:12:04,166 --> 01:12:06,767
<i>And so, the case</i>
<i>could go down the drain.</i>

1068
01:12:16,133 --> 01:12:17,069
[Dave] <i>Bonin had an attorney</i>
<i>by name of Earl Hansen.</i>

1069
01:12:17,069 --> 01:12:18,000
[Dave] <i>Bonin had an attorney</i>
<i>by name of Earl Hansen.</i>

1070
01:12:18,567 --> 01:12:21,567
<i>I remember, one time,</i>
<i>waiting to get an interview</i>
<i>with Earl,</i>

1071
01:12:21,634 --> 01:12:24,266
and he says to me,
pulls me aside and says,

1072
01:12:24,266 --> 01:12:26,033
"Dave,
I gotta tell you something.

1073
01:12:26,033 --> 01:12:29,734
Uh, saw the interview you did
with Bonin's mother.
My client saw it.

1074
01:12:29,734 --> 01:12:32,634
And he was very happy
with the way you treated
his mother.

1075
01:12:32,634 --> 01:12:36,000
<i>Here's my card.</i>
<i>Take this card." And he wrote</i>
<i>something on the back.</i>

1076
01:12:37,567 --> 01:12:41,266
<i>It says on the back,</i>
<i>"Permission to talk to Bonin."</i>

1077
01:12:43,166 --> 01:12:47,069
What happened back in 1980
would never happen today.

1078
01:12:47,069 --> 01:12:47,767
What happened back in 1980
would never happen today.

1079
01:12:47,767 --> 01:12:48,000
There is no way in the world
that a reporter
on a major case like this

1080
01:12:51,734 --> 01:12:53,934
would get permission
from anyone

1081
01:12:53,934 --> 01:12:56,667
to get to the jail
and talk to the defendant.

1082
01:13:02,867 --> 01:13:04,066
<i>So, here I am.</i>

1083
01:13:05,100 --> 01:13:07,367
<i>I go in and I show the card.</i>

1084
01:13:07,433 --> 01:13:09,433
<i>The guard says,</i>
<i>"Okay, fine, go here."</i>

1085
01:13:15,667 --> 01:13:17,033
<i>In comes Bonin.</i>

1086
01:13:17,033 --> 01:13:17,069
<i>I though,</i>
<i>"Wow, this is incredible."</i>

1087
01:13:17,069 --> 01:13:18,000
<i>I though,</i>
<i>"Wow, this is incredible."</i>

1088
01:13:19,033 --> 01:13:23,867
<i>And I was surprised</i>
<i>by his size.</i>
<i>He wasn't all that big.</i>

1089
01:13:23,867 --> 01:13:26,233
But there was something
about him that terrified me.

1090
01:13:27,934 --> 01:13:30,133
<i>We just started</i>
<i>a casual conversation.</i>

1091
01:13:30,133 --> 01:13:33,934
<i>He said to me,</i>
<i>"I wanna thank you</i>
<i>for being kind to my mom."</i>

1092
01:13:33,934 --> 01:13:37,867
I didn't even ask him
if he committed
these crimes or not.

1093
01:13:37,867 --> 01:13:40,233
I wanted to tread very,
very lightly.

1094
01:13:44,033 --> 01:13:45,266
<i>Then the third meeting.</i>

1095
01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:47,069
<i>Walked in, said, "Hi."</i>

1096
01:13:47,069 --> 01:13:47,567
<i>Walked in, said, "Hi."</i>

1097
01:13:47,634 --> 01:13:48,000
And he says, "Are you ready?"

1098
01:13:50,233 --> 01:13:51,934
I go, "For what?"

1099
01:13:51,934 --> 01:13:53,634
He says, "I'm gonna
tell you something."

1100
01:13:53,634 --> 01:14:00,266
And he proceeded to tell me,
hook, line and sinker,
the murders.

1101
01:14:05,533 --> 01:14:08,567
<i>He told me</i>
<i>that he had killed 21.</i>

1102
01:14:10,367 --> 01:14:15,233
<i>I'm in shock,</i>
<i>listening to this guy describe</i>
<i>how they picked up one kid,</i>

1103
01:14:15,233 --> 01:14:17,069
<i>and they put an ice pick</i>
<i>on the side of his head.</i>

1104
01:14:17,069 --> 01:14:18,000
<i>and they put an ice pick</i>
<i>on the side of his head.</i>

1105
01:14:19,233 --> 01:14:24,567
<i>One of his accomplices, Butts,</i>
<i>went crazy and stabbed</i>
<i>another guy 70 times.</i>

1106
01:14:24,567 --> 01:14:30,567
<i>He told me about some other</i>
<i>kid who squealed and cried</i>
<i>and was easy to kill.</i>

1107
01:14:30,634 --> 01:14:33,000
<i>And he tells me that,</i>
<i>you know, he enjoyed it.</i>

1108
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,100
<i>Once he started,</i>
<i>he couldn't stop.</i>

1109
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:42,166
I didn't take any notes,
because I knew if I had,
he would've stopped talking.

1110
01:14:44,066 --> 01:14:45,967
<i>And then he proceeded</i>
<i>to tell me</i>

1111
01:14:45,967 --> 01:14:47,069
<i>that he wanted to avoid</i>
<i>the death penalty</i>
<i>at all costs.</i>

1112
01:14:47,069 --> 01:14:48,000
<i>that he wanted to avoid</i>
<i>the death penalty</i>
<i>at all costs.</i>

1113
01:14:50,333 --> 01:14:53,667
And that he wanted me
to see if that could be done.

1114
01:14:53,734 --> 01:14:55,467
And I said, "I don't have
any power to do that."

1115
01:14:55,533 --> 01:14:59,667
So, [chuckles] I walked
out of there stunned.

1116
01:14:59,734 --> 01:15:02,033
I didn't know
what the hell to do.

1117
01:15:06,433 --> 01:15:07,734
<i>And now, I'm stuck.</i>

1118
01:15:07,734 --> 01:15:09,266
<i>What in the world</i>
<i>am I gonna do with this?</i>

1119
01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:11,233
<i>I got this blockbuster story.</i>

1120
01:15:11,233 --> 01:15:15,367
I knew that once
I put this on air,
if I ever put it on the air,

1121
01:15:15,367 --> 01:15:17,069
that police would swarm on me
like I was one
of the suspects.

1122
01:15:17,069 --> 01:15:18,000
that police would swarm on me
like I was one
of the suspects.

1123
01:15:21,533 --> 01:15:26,233
And on June 29th of 1981,
I went on CBS 2,

1124
01:15:26,233 --> 01:15:30,033
and I had told the story
of how I got the confession
and what he had said.

1125
01:15:33,166 --> 01:15:37,467
[man on TV]
<i>This is a Channel 2</i>
<i>special presentation.</i>

1126
01:15:37,467 --> 01:15:39,166
I am at the men's jail

1127
01:15:39,233 --> 01:15:42,667
and this is the scene
that Mr. Bonin has seen
at least three times.

1128
01:15:42,734 --> 01:15:44,767
This is the booking area
of the jail.

1129
01:15:44,834 --> 01:15:47,069
[Dave] <i>It was like a bomb</i>
<i>had gone off.</i>

1130
01:15:47,069 --> 01:15:47,367
[Dave] <i>It was like a bomb</i>
<i>had gone off.</i>

1131
01:15:47,367 --> 01:15:48,000
I knew that the police wanted
all the explicit details

1132
01:15:51,233 --> 01:15:53,867
of the conversations
that Bonin and I had.

1133
01:16:02,867 --> 01:16:04,967
<i>And then, the trial begins.</i>

1134
01:16:04,967 --> 01:16:08,166
<i>I was under a lot of pressure</i>
<i>to testify.</i>

1135
01:16:08,233 --> 01:16:12,734
<i>Prosecution, detectives,</i>
<i>certain police chiefs,</i>

1136
01:16:12,734 --> 01:16:15,166
investigators,
private investigators,

1137
01:16:15,233 --> 01:16:17,069
families of the victims.

1138
01:16:17,069 --> 01:16:17,934
families of the victims.

1139
01:16:17,934 --> 01:16:18,000
<i>I was a reporter,</i>
<i>I had a credibility,</i>

1140
01:16:21,266 --> 01:16:23,433
<i>and I certainly was</i>
<i>a whole lot better witness</i>

1141
01:16:23,433 --> 01:16:26,567
<i>than the knuckleheads</i>
<i>that were with Bonin.</i>

1142
01:16:26,634 --> 01:16:30,567
{\an8}We will indeed prove
in this courtroom
that he is The Freeway Killer,

1143
01:16:30,567 --> 01:16:34,000
{\an8}as he has bragged
to number of witnesses.

1144
01:16:35,166 --> 01:16:38,166
<i>But, as a journalist,</i>
<i>you need sources,</i>

1145
01:16:38,233 --> 01:16:43,166
and you've gotta be able
to have someone who can
give you vital information

1146
01:16:43,233 --> 01:16:46,467
know that you are going
to protect them.

1147
01:16:46,467 --> 01:16:47,069
You have heard
about the principle
among the journalists

1148
01:16:47,069 --> 01:16:48,000
You have heard
about the principle
among the journalists

1149
01:16:49,533 --> 01:16:52,834
that a reporter must protect
a confidential source.

1150
01:16:52,834 --> 01:16:55,367
[Dave] <i>And so,</i>
<i>what the California</i>
<i>shield law does,</i>

1151
01:16:55,433 --> 01:17:00,266
<i>is it prevents anyone</i>
<i>from law enforcement</i>
<i>to go in and force you</i>

1152
01:17:00,266 --> 01:17:04,166
to reveal or say what
you have not reported yet.

1153
01:17:04,166 --> 01:17:09,166
They are not allowed
to go into your private notes,

1154
01:17:09,233 --> 01:17:11,967
or your personal files
or anything like that.

1155
01:17:11,967 --> 01:17:15,967
So, in other words,
there are things
that they may want to know

1156
01:17:15,967 --> 01:17:17,069
that weren't publicized.

1157
01:17:17,069 --> 01:17:18,000
that weren't publicized.

1158
01:17:19,934 --> 01:17:24,634
<i>If I had given that up,</i>
<i>I will have been run out</i>
<i>of the business.</i>

1159
01:17:24,634 --> 01:17:27,333
It is our gospel.
You don't break it.

1160
01:17:28,867 --> 01:17:33,166
You know, there have
been reporters
that have gone to jail,

1161
01:17:33,233 --> 01:17:35,533
<i>rather than give up</i>
<i>their source.</i>

1162
01:17:35,533 --> 01:17:37,333
Uh, even if they're
court ordered.

1163
01:17:38,333 --> 01:17:40,233
<i>I would've encouraged him</i>
<i>to do it,</i>

1164
01:17:40,233 --> 01:17:44,166
<i>but it was a big no-no</i>
<i>for him, amongst his peers.</i>

1165
01:17:44,166 --> 01:17:47,069
[man on TV] <i>Prosecution</i>
<i>has called parents</i>
<i>and friends to testify.</i>

1166
01:17:47,069 --> 01:17:47,634
[man on TV] <i>Prosecution</i>
<i>has called parents</i>
<i>and friends to testify.</i>

1167
01:17:47,634 --> 01:17:48,000
[man] You talked to him
on that day. Did you ever see
or hear from your son again?

1168
01:17:52,934 --> 01:17:54,233
No.

1169
01:17:54,233 --> 01:17:58,000
[Dave] <i>The trial goes on.</i>
<i>Bonin had pleaded not guilty.</i>

1170
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:03,266
And the one thing
that really haunted me
was the grieving mothers.

1171
01:18:03,333 --> 01:18:07,166
Do you recognize that
as being the body of your son?

1172
01:18:07,166 --> 01:18:09,100
Yes, sir.

1173
01:18:09,100 --> 01:18:11,467
[Dave] <i>I just had</i>
<i>a lot of soul searching.</i>

1174
01:18:11,467 --> 01:18:13,967
<i>My dad made</i>
<i>a very famous quote to me.</i>

1175
01:18:13,967 --> 01:18:17,066
<i>He said, "That's what you get</i>
<i>for trying to make a deal</i>
<i>with the devil.</i>

1176
01:18:17,066 --> 01:18:17,069
You shouldn't have ever
got yourself put
in this predicament."

1177
01:18:17,069 --> 01:18:18,000
You shouldn't have ever
got yourself put
in this predicament."

1178
01:18:19,834 --> 01:18:22,133
I did, so what was I gonna do?

1179
01:18:32,233 --> 01:18:34,867
[Dave] <i>I went to a couple</i>
<i>of very prominent people</i>

1180
01:18:34,867 --> 01:18:36,533
<i>that I worked with</i>
<i>in the business,</i>

1181
01:18:36,533 --> 01:18:40,000
and there was one man
named Bill Stall,
and he said to me,

1182
01:18:41,166 --> 01:18:42,734
"I know your predicament,

1183
01:18:42,734 --> 01:18:44,634
but you gotta
remember something,

1184
01:18:44,634 --> 01:18:48,367
we are citizens first
and journalists second.

1185
01:18:52,033 --> 01:18:54,233
[female reporter]
<i>Nine weeks into the trial</i>
<i>of William Bonin,</i>

1186
01:18:54,233 --> 01:18:55,533
<i>the man accused</i>
<i>in the so-called</i>

1187
01:18:55,533 --> 01:18:57,667
<i>Freeway Murders</i>
<i>of 21 young men,</i>

1188
01:18:57,734 --> 01:18:58,270
<i>a surprise witness</i>
<i>came forward,</i>

1189
01:18:58,270 --> 01:18:59,000
<i>a surprise witness</i>
<i>came forward,</i>

1190
01:18:59,767 --> 01:19:02,367
<i>claiming he could no longer</i>
<i>live with his conscience.</i>

1191
01:19:02,433 --> 01:19:07,567
<i>Television reporter Dave Lopez</i>
<i>revealed Bonin confessed</i>
<i>to him nearly a year ago.</i>

1192
01:19:07,634 --> 01:19:10,767
He says, "I killed them all
except one."

1193
01:19:10,834 --> 01:19:12,166
[man] Are those words
Mr. Bonin said?

1194
01:19:12,233 --> 01:19:15,066
Those are his exact words.
"I killed them all
except one."

1195
01:19:15,934 --> 01:19:18,266
I asked him point blank.
I said, "Bill,

1196
01:19:18,266 --> 01:19:20,333
if you were still out
on the street, what would you
be doing right now?"

1197
01:19:21,333 --> 01:19:22,967
He says
he'll still be killing.

1198
01:19:22,967 --> 01:19:24,767
"Couldn't stop killing,"
he said.

1199
01:19:24,767 --> 01:19:27,166
"It got easier
with each victim we did."

1200
01:19:27,166 --> 01:19:28,270
[Dave] <i>I answered</i>
<i>every question and went into</i>
<i>detail of what he told me.</i>

1201
01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:29,000
[Dave] <i>I answered</i>
<i>every question and went into</i>
<i>detail of what he told me.</i>

1202
01:19:32,166 --> 01:19:36,000
I testified as a citizen,
because I firmly believe

1203
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,333
that when the question
comes up, are we journalists
or citizens first,

1204
01:19:39,333 --> 01:19:41,166
we are citizens first.

1205
01:19:41,233 --> 01:19:45,266
The public has a right
to know. The jury
has a right to know.

1206
01:19:45,333 --> 01:19:48,467
Every mother and father
whoever loved a child
have the right to know.

1207
01:19:49,367 --> 01:19:51,133
[Dave] <i>I got some criticism.</i>

1208
01:19:51,133 --> 01:19:55,133
<i>A lot of people thought</i>
<i>I did the wrong thing,</i>
<i>that were in my business.</i>

1209
01:19:55,133 --> 01:19:58,066
In no way, gentlemen,
do I feel that I have,
in any way,

1210
01:19:58,066 --> 01:19:58,270
embarrassed the profession
or embarrassed myself.

1211
01:19:58,270 --> 01:19:59,000
embarrassed the profession
or embarrassed myself.

1212
01:20:00,433 --> 01:20:06,767
He took an awful lot of heat
from a lot of his peers.

1213
01:20:06,834 --> 01:20:10,033
<i>But I supported him</i>
<i>100 percent.</i>

1214
01:20:10,033 --> 01:20:14,567
Most of the citizens out there
appreciated he was
very involved

1215
01:20:14,634 --> 01:20:16,634
in getting this maniac
off the streets.

1216
01:20:17,767 --> 01:20:21,166
He was law enforcement's hero,
I'll guarantee you.

1217
01:20:30,467 --> 01:20:34,767
{\an8}Pursuant to
penal code section 190.3
of the state of California,

1218
01:20:34,834 --> 01:20:37,667
do determine the penalty
shall be death.

1219
01:20:37,734 --> 01:20:43,033
Well, he was convicted
of ten first degree murders
out of Los Angeles County.

1220
01:20:43,033 --> 01:20:46,667
William George Bonin
has demonstrated
a total disregard

1221
01:20:47,433 --> 01:20:50,000
for the sanctity
of human right

1222
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,266
and the dignity
of a civilized society.

1223
01:20:54,233 --> 01:20:57,967
William George Bonin
shall be put to death.

1224
01:20:57,967 --> 01:20:58,270
He'll be administered
lethal gas

1225
01:20:58,270 --> 01:20:59,000
He'll be administered
lethal gas

1226
01:21:00,567 --> 01:21:03,767
within the walls
of the state prison
of San Quentin, California.

1227
01:21:11,967 --> 01:21:14,467
[Dave] <i>The families,</i>
<i>I know they were very happy.</i>

1228
01:21:14,467 --> 01:21:16,934
<i>There were tears of joy</i>
<i>from a lot of them.</i>

1229
01:21:16,934 --> 01:21:20,166
{\an8}I'm thankful
that it's over with
and we had a super jury

1230
01:21:20,233 --> 01:21:24,033
{\an8}and the verdict was...
He earned it. He earned it.

1231
01:21:24,033 --> 01:21:27,634
In Los Angeles, William Bonin
has been convicted
of ten murders.

1232
01:21:27,634 --> 01:21:28,270
He was convicted
for the homosexual
torture murders

1233
01:21:28,270 --> 01:21:29,000
He was convicted
for the homosexual
torture murders

1234
01:21:29,834 --> 01:21:31,567
of ten young men and boys.

1235
01:21:31,634 --> 01:21:35,567
Today, the so-called
Freeway Killer was sentenced
to death in the gas chamber.

1236
01:21:37,767 --> 01:21:40,667
[Ronald] <i>Greg Miley,</i>
<i>he got 25 years to life.</i>

1237
01:21:41,767 --> 01:21:47,634
<i>He was killed</i>
<i>in custody in 2016.</i>

1238
01:21:47,634 --> 01:21:52,133
<i>James Munro,</i>
<i>he got 15 to life.</i>
<i>He is still in custody.</i>

1239
01:21:53,266 --> 01:21:58,270
And Billy Pugh,
he got six years
and is now out.

1240
01:21:58,270 --> 01:21:58,467
And Billy Pugh,
he got six years
and is now out.

1241
01:22:03,433 --> 01:22:07,233
<i>Two years later,</i>
<i>they were able to convict</i>
<i>William Bonin</i>

1242
01:22:07,233 --> 01:22:10,066
<i>of four murders</i>
<i>in Orange County.</i>

1243
01:22:10,066 --> 01:22:13,667
The Orange County jury
also agreed
on the death penalty.

1244
01:22:15,367 --> 01:22:19,367
<i>He was permanently sent up</i>
<i>to San Quentin,</i>
<i>placed on death row,</i>

1245
01:22:19,433 --> 01:22:22,567
<i>where he remained</i>
<i>for 14 years.</i>

1246
01:22:33,567 --> 01:22:36,166
[Ronald] <i>Bonin's guilt</i>
<i>is beyond dispute.</i>

1247
01:22:36,166 --> 01:22:40,133
<i>His case has been argued</i>
<i>and examined from every angle.</i>

1248
01:22:40,133 --> 01:22:42,533
<i>The whole process</i>
<i>has consumed more years</i>

1249
01:22:42,533 --> 01:22:45,433
<i>than Bonin has allowed</i>
<i>some of his victims to live.</i>

1250
01:22:47,767 --> 01:22:49,867
[Dave] <i>I still see</i>
<i>those faces.</i>

1251
01:22:51,834 --> 01:22:54,233
<i>It's still haunting at times.</i>

1252
01:22:54,233 --> 01:22:58,233
But, um, I'm glad I was able
to do my part as a citizen,

1253
01:22:58,233 --> 01:22:58,270
and I, uh,
I hold my head high.

1254
01:22:58,270 --> 01:22:59,000
and I, uh,
I hold my head high.

1255
01:23:03,166 --> 01:23:07,433
For certain crimes,
justice demands
the ultimate punishment.

1256
01:23:07,433 --> 01:23:09,567
William Bonin
will never kill again.

1257
01:23:10,667 --> 01:23:12,533
Clemency is denied.

1258
01:23:25,066 --> 01:23:28,066
[Dr. David] <i>It makes me feel</i>
<i>compassion for him,</i>

1259
01:23:28,066 --> 01:23:28,270
<i>and sadness and outrage</i>

1260
01:23:28,270 --> 01:23:29,000
<i>and sadness and outrage</i>

1261
01:23:30,967 --> 01:23:34,567
that over and over and over,

1262
01:23:34,634 --> 01:23:38,133
there were opportunities
to intervene
in this child's life.

1263
01:23:42,066 --> 01:23:46,433
<i>And then we have</i>
<i>the tragic loss</i>
<i>of all he killed.</i>

1264
01:23:52,767 --> 01:23:58,270
{\an8}<i>I think as a society,</i>
<i>we need to understand</i>
<i>what made Bonin who he is,</i>

1265
01:23:58,270 --> 01:23:59,000
{\an8}<i>I think as a society,</i>
<i>we need to understand</i>
<i>what made Bonin who he is,</i>

1266
01:23:59,767 --> 01:24:05,166
{\an8}so that we can take both
policy actions
and individual actions

1267
01:24:05,166 --> 01:24:09,767
{\an8}to help prevent
these kinds of tragedies
from happening again.

1268
01:24:12,066 --> 01:24:17,166
{\an8}[man] <i>Okay, roll of the tape</i>
<i>ends here at 2040 hours.</i>



