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(telephone ringing)

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Hey, sweetie.

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I am sorry
to wake you up.

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♪

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Can you talk?

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Can you talk, sweetie?

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♪

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I miss the life
I thought I had!

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♪

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My name is Dr. Viviane Winthrop.

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I had a huge experience
that changed my life.

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♪

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How much does our DNA affect
our sense of belonging?

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How much does the family,

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or even the history,
the verbal history,

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influence our lives?

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And I know for a fact
that it really influenced

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who I am.

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She just pretty much
spilled out her family story

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on the phone right there,

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and it was quite a lot
to take in, honestly, at first.

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Frankly intimidating.

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Every decision I have made,

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every decision I didn't make,

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was because of my last name,
Winthrop.

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♪

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My dad saw the Winthrops

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as the politicians
and the lawmakers

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that changed the world.

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I felt the weight
of the Winthrops.

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(distant, echoing clangs)

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I was the acting chief dentist
at one of the prisons,

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and there was a call.

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"We're eliminating
the chief position."

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I have to leave this place,
and, you know, I was set.

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I was set financially,
had a great job,

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and I was devastated,

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because I...
everything I was.

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I was my job,
I was my title.

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What are you doing here?

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You are supposed to be home
doing your work.

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No thank you,
you took me.

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You kidnapped me!

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I wanted a family of my own,

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but my career
put that on hold

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and time just flew by.

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And I couldn't be
upset and angry about

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my lack of understanding
of my own life.

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I had to figure out
who I was,

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'cause I was slipping away.

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I needed to find myself.

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I need to go home.

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♪

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So when I was
fourteen and a half,

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it was time to get my dad
out of the snow

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and to find a place
that was better for him.

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I forgot who exactly gave him

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the Arizona Highways magazines,

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but my dad was just
religiously looking over

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those magazines,

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and there's just
so much in Arizona,

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it's so beautiful,

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and the pictures
out of that magazine

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are just incredible.

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We packed up

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and we had
a big moving van

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and we arrived here,

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and we're coming down
the canyon like we did

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all those years ago.

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Hello, Mommy!
Hello! Hi, baby!

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Oh, you haven't seen me
in a long time.

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I said hi to the animals.

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Stop that!

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Stop, stop.
No, that's enough!

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That's okay.

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(dog growls)

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I'll take him, I'll take him.
Mom, Mom, Mom.

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He doesn't like that.

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Hold on, Lucky, stop it.

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I was just starting to give
him some of his dinner.

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I'm afraid he won't eat nothing.

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Are you too excited, huh?

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You need to go to the groomer,
yes, yes!

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(faint, indistinct chatter)

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Oh, wow, it smells--
it smells incredible.

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(water running)

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(water boiling)

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Now.

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Okay, Mom, I'm gonna
get this opened.

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(chimes tinkling)

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My gosh, did you see that?

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This is awful.

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You should be ashamed.

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It's not the way
I taught to you.

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(chuckling)

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I know. It was hell
putting it in there.

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That's not possible.

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(clattering)

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(clank)

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It's not as bad

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once we get
the top stuff done.

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Here, you can sit--
you can sit on this, Mom.

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Here.

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Here, have a--
have a seat, Mom.

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No, it's easier if you just
tell me where to go

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and organize.

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This way, you can just
sit still and...

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So, I am in the process
of selling my house,

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nearly sold.

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Should be selling
or closing next week.

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I'll get it,
I'll get it.

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(chatter, laughter)

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I'm moving back to Sedona
so I can be close to Mom,

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and moving in with her

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so we can build
some amazing memories.

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Chance to really start over.

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Mom, Mom, let me--

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get--bring the car.

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(indistinct remark)

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(door slams)

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(engine starts)

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Okay.

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(laughing)

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Name's André Metcalf.

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I've known Dr. Viviane Winthrop
for 30 years.

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She's known as Sweetie.

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(chuckles)

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We actually had met in school.

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He opened the door
to the anatomy lab

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and I thought
he was giving me a hug!

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So he looked at me like,
"What is she doing?"

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♪

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When I met her,

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she would talk about
being a Winthrop

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more than being
anything else.

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And I guess there was
I wouldn't say rules

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but there was a bar

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for things that a Winthrop did,

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and you were supposed
to be certain things.

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♪

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She was very fun-loving,

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very happy,
and very open.

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But when we would go home,
go visit her parents,

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it seemed like she would be
like a different person.

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♪

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I was born in Montreal.

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♪

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Looking back,

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I had everything I needed.

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My mom would teach piano.

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She was our main breadwinner.

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♪

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My dad was
a Shakespearean actor.

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In the first part
of the relationship,

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he worked.

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♪

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My father, he broke
the Winthrop tradition.

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He wasn't interested
in political life,

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he didn't want
to be an attorney.

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My dad had dreams
of being an actor.

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(speaking French)

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-I saw it all.
-Yeah?

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Yeah, come on, I'll tell you
everything I have.

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-Like you always do, Nicky?
-Oh, it'll be interesting.

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Yeah, but will it be true?

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His real dream, though,
was to go to Hollywood.

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So he felt like
he never made it as an actor

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because he didn't go
to Hollywood

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and had the financial success
that goes with that.

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It felt like
it ruined his life,

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but more than anything,
it just devastated him.

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♪

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My dad poured his heart
into me.

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I didn't realize that.

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♪

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My dad would tell me
stories about our family.

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He just molded me.

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♪

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You know, I've always been
a loner.

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I've been an only child,
and so,

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I always felt like
I was never quite good enough.

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I would come home
with 100 percent,

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and my mom
jokingly would say,

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"Well, it's not 104 percent."

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I was teaching her,

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and if it was not perfect,

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she had to do it again.

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Maybe my fault about that.

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I couldn't be me.

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I just couldn't be me.

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And I still feel
like a little girl.

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And I still just want
to please my mom.

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♪

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Vivi?

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By the way,
have you received my tape?

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I'm waiting for your call

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to tell me
that you have received it.

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Hope you have, dear.
Love you.

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♪

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It's Daddy, of course,
who's waiting for Mother.

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Well, there she is! Mother!

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Maybe she'll talk
to you too.

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Be nice, won't it?

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À bientôt.

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(he speaks French)

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(Viviane chuckles)

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He said, "With my personality
and your mother's looks,

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you'll be okay,"
as I went off to dental school.

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Well, darling, for the moment,
that's all I have to say.

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I took my dad for granted.

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I never had the courage
to listen to them.

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What would it take to,

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with honor, with love,

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but to not--
to no longer

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feel tortured about it?

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Think I just need
to honor him,

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and I need to, you know,
then put him to rest.

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And, um...

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Starting to bring closure
in your way.

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I feel like I'm--

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I think I'm actually
able to do it pretty soon.

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♪

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You know, if we can do
ninth or tenth in Geneva,

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that would be, um, ideal.

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♪

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Every case is unique,
every family is unique.

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Viviane's ancestry is
a perfect example of this,

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where her Winthrop ancestry
is pretty well established.

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Very famous family,

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so there are books
that have been published,

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there are online trees
all over the place

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that are gonna kind of
give you an overview

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of how this family
is connected

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all the way back
to the immigrant John Winthrop

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in the 1600s.

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♪

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When someone hires us
to research their ancestry,

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we can go anywhere
from 20 hours

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to thousands of hours.

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As a genealogist
who needs to make

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pedigree charts
and things like that,

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there's sort of
that definition of family

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based on what documents
are telling me,

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what this birth record
is saying,

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who this person's parent was.

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♪

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Twenty-nine years I've been
holding on to these--

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the Tante Vicky journals.

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♪

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There's over
1200 pages of journals

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about my dad growing up.

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They spent most of their time
in the south of France

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during the war.

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There's so much
I didn't know about my dad

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or my family.

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♪

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I see a lot of things in Vivi
which is Reg.

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She's curious about,
to know more, to learn.

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He teach her
how to express herself.

271
00:16:27,486 --> 00:16:32,032
♪

272
00:16:32,074 --> 00:16:33,909
(chuckling)

273
00:16:33,951 --> 00:16:37,162
And I appreciate
what Reg did.

274
00:16:37,204 --> 00:16:40,958
Of course, I sound
much more (French term)--

275
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,918
well, at least
for the serious stuff.

276
00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,212
Oh, there'll be some
funny stuff in it too.

277
00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:49,466
♪

278
00:16:49,508 --> 00:16:52,720
Let's start with his birth
in Switzerland.

279
00:16:52,761 --> 00:16:55,931
I picked up a lot of the
birth and death certificates

280
00:16:55,973 --> 00:16:57,391
for your family.

281
00:16:57,433 --> 00:16:58,684
Do you have an address
or something you can just

282
00:16:58,726 --> 00:16:59,893
email me?

283
00:16:59,935 --> 00:17:01,395
I'll send them an email.

284
00:17:01,437 --> 00:17:03,480
Yeah; I can just send you
to link to the site

285
00:17:03,522 --> 00:17:06,900
and you can pick up
everything from there.

286
00:17:06,942 --> 00:17:09,278
My mom gave me
a stack of old wills,

287
00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:11,321
and so, I just started
thumbing through them.

288
00:17:11,363 --> 00:17:14,908
This could be a wealth
of information as well.

289
00:17:14,950 --> 00:17:17,411
Uh, but I could use
more information,

290
00:17:17,453 --> 00:17:19,663
if you have it,
before we head up.

291
00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:22,958
-That would be ideal.
-Okay.

292
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:32,926
♪

293
00:17:36,972 --> 00:17:38,515
It was very important.

294
00:17:38,557 --> 00:17:39,516
I think it was
part of her background

295
00:17:39,558 --> 00:17:41,185
and part of her upbringing.

296
00:17:41,226 --> 00:17:44,063
♪

297
00:17:44,104 --> 00:17:45,898
So, it was something
she had to investigate

298
00:17:45,939 --> 00:17:48,942
and something that I think
was gonna be, uh,

299
00:17:48,984 --> 00:17:50,486
life-changing for her.

300
00:17:50,527 --> 00:17:55,824
♪

301
00:17:55,866 --> 00:17:59,578
(faint birdsong)

302
00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:02,081
(vehicle whooshing
along road)

303
00:18:10,923 --> 00:18:13,092
This is so nice
to have people coming over

304
00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:14,843
to look at their roots
and their heritage,

305
00:18:14,885 --> 00:18:16,970
and to actually
get out there on the ground

306
00:18:17,012 --> 00:18:18,555
and explore that history,

307
00:18:18,597 --> 00:18:21,058
'cause so many people
don't actually make that leap

308
00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:23,977
and come across
and put what they read

309
00:18:24,019 --> 00:18:26,105
into a bit of exploration.

310
00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:30,818
How far back can you trace
the Winthrop family?

311
00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:33,987
Well, we can trace them back
to Adam Winthrop,

312
00:18:34,029 --> 00:18:35,614
who married Joan or Jane Burt,

313
00:18:35,656 --> 00:18:37,282
and we don't know
the year of the marriage,

314
00:18:37,324 --> 00:18:40,452
but we are talking
about back into the 1400s

315
00:18:40,494 --> 00:18:42,079
by this time, yes.

316
00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:44,581
♪

317
00:18:44,623 --> 00:18:46,542
John Winthrop was
also a lawyer

318
00:18:46,583 --> 00:18:51,004
and worked with the Court
of Wards and Liveries in London.

319
00:18:51,046 --> 00:18:53,757
Well off, well respected,
and powerful family

320
00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:57,094
in terms of local power.

321
00:18:57,136 --> 00:18:59,388
The family were well off.

322
00:18:59,429 --> 00:19:01,181
They were clothiers
and merchants

323
00:19:01,223 --> 00:19:04,143
living in the Groton
and Lavenham area.

324
00:19:04,184 --> 00:19:11,066
♪

325
00:19:11,108 --> 00:19:13,402
His father and his grandfather,
they were very well off.

326
00:19:13,443 --> 00:19:15,654
They had land, an estate,

327
00:19:15,696 --> 00:19:18,407
so he was born
into that social status.

328
00:19:18,448 --> 00:19:20,159
But he didn't really
create it himself,

329
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,535
-he was born into it.
-No, no, he had it,

330
00:19:21,577 --> 00:19:23,162
but of course,
it's his duty,

331
00:19:23,203 --> 00:19:25,664
that's the Winthrop duty
to continue that status

332
00:19:25,706 --> 00:19:28,709
and continue that
financial success.

333
00:19:28,750 --> 00:19:36,800
♪

334
00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:40,220
There's Groton Hall,

335
00:19:40,262 --> 00:19:42,055
we're gonna walk up here
to the church.

336
00:19:42,097 --> 00:19:52,024
♪

337
00:19:53,984 --> 00:19:55,611
If you come from Suffolk
in England,

338
00:19:55,652 --> 00:19:56,945
especially this area of Suffolk,

339
00:19:56,987 --> 00:19:58,322
you know who
the Winthrops are,

340
00:19:58,363 --> 00:20:00,115
because there's
lots of roads and streets

341
00:20:00,157 --> 00:20:01,408
named after them.

342
00:20:01,450 --> 00:20:06,705
♪

343
00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:10,000
"This was the parish church
of John Winthrop,

344
00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:12,336
1588 to 1649.

345
00:20:12,377 --> 00:20:16,173
He led the immigration
to New England in 1630."

346
00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:20,010
What's it like to come from
such a famous family, then?

347
00:20:20,052 --> 00:20:23,805
It's incredible to see this,
it makes it real, you know?

348
00:20:23,847 --> 00:20:26,225
That legacy has, as I said
before, always come down

349
00:20:26,266 --> 00:20:27,851
all these generations

350
00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:31,521
and is still as strong,
if not stronger, today.

351
00:20:31,563 --> 00:20:33,857
Shows what a powerful impact
they had.

352
00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:36,860
♪

353
00:20:36,902 --> 00:20:39,154
-Oh my goodness.
-Beautiful, historic.

354
00:20:39,196 --> 00:20:40,948
You notice the gravestones.

355
00:20:40,989 --> 00:20:44,660
People make decisions
not realizing that it's

356
00:20:44,701 --> 00:20:47,371
possibly going to have effects
on generations to come.

357
00:20:47,412 --> 00:20:57,339
♪

358
00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:19,528
It would be fair to say
this is the church

359
00:21:19,569 --> 00:21:21,154
-of my ancestors.
-Definitely.

360
00:21:21,196 --> 00:21:22,948
Oh, the smell is incredible!

361
00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:25,284
A very church smell,
it's the wax on the wood.

362
00:21:27,494 --> 00:21:29,329
What is significant is

363
00:21:29,371 --> 00:21:31,665
a lot of the American
descendants

364
00:21:31,707 --> 00:21:33,583
have come back
and donated to the church

365
00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:35,127
and helped keep it going

366
00:21:35,168 --> 00:21:37,296
in the memory
of the Winthrops.

367
00:21:37,337 --> 00:21:42,467
(bell pealing)

368
00:21:42,509 --> 00:21:44,970
It sounds a little bit
far-fetched, possibly,

369
00:21:45,012 --> 00:21:48,015
but I'm a firm believer
that your genes can bring down

370
00:21:48,056 --> 00:21:50,017
your inclination
to favor certain places

371
00:21:50,058 --> 00:21:51,560
or feel at home there.

372
00:21:51,601 --> 00:21:53,854
I think that's
very, very important

373
00:21:53,895 --> 00:21:55,981
in understanding
your own self

374
00:21:56,023 --> 00:21:57,774
when you're evolving
and maturing

375
00:21:57,816 --> 00:22:00,777
is to understand your roots.

376
00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:04,531
(bell pealing)

377
00:22:12,247 --> 00:22:15,667
Meeting Celia was a place to,
like hold on to.

378
00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:17,669
It's some part
of my identity

379
00:22:17,711 --> 00:22:21,298
that I could say,
"This is mine."

380
00:22:21,340 --> 00:22:25,218
Believed to have been planted
about 1550 by Adam Winthrop.

381
00:22:25,260 --> 00:22:27,929
-With new buds.
-Laden with new buds,

382
00:22:27,971 --> 00:22:29,264
new growth.

383
00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:30,974
-New beginnings.
-Yes, new hope.

384
00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:33,018
-Really meaningful.
-Yes.

385
00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:37,814
What a gift
that you have given me.

386
00:22:37,856 --> 00:22:40,275
It's nice to give that gift,

387
00:22:40,317 --> 00:22:41,068
because it's something that
means a lot to you, obviously,

388
00:22:41,068 --> 00:22:44,738
if it helps you find your roots
and your sense of belonging,

389
00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:47,282
which is very important.

390
00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:50,494
(birdsong)

391
00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:53,705
Well, I--I'm back again.

392
00:22:57,376 --> 00:23:00,754
It reads,
"Thank you, Vivi dear,

393
00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:03,882
for your lovely letters.

394
00:23:03,924 --> 00:23:06,176
There is a motel in Burwash,

395
00:23:06,218 --> 00:23:08,011
if anyone visits England,

396
00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:10,555
and quite near me.

397
00:23:10,597 --> 00:23:16,103
My love to you all three,
your Tante Vicky."

398
00:23:16,144 --> 00:23:19,856
Tante Vicky essentially
raised my dad.

399
00:23:19,898 --> 00:23:22,567
Her duty was
to have my dad raised

400
00:23:22,609 --> 00:23:25,487
in such an aristocratic life.

401
00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:27,030
♪

402
00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:30,784
My relationship with Reggie,

403
00:23:30,826 --> 00:23:34,037
we were pals
and we were lovers.

404
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:38,458
♪

405
00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:40,168
-Reg took that.
-Oh, is that you?

406
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:41,837
-Yeah.
-Ooh-la-la!

407
00:23:41,878 --> 00:23:43,380
Couple of his friends.

408
00:23:43,422 --> 00:23:44,714
He was taking the picture.

409
00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:47,592
There's another one with him.

410
00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:49,428
Super fashionable.

411
00:23:49,469 --> 00:23:51,388
We spent a lot of time
on the beach.

412
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:53,390
It was lovely.

413
00:23:53,432 --> 00:23:56,726
My dad was definitely
a ladies' man.

414
00:23:56,768 --> 00:23:58,728
He was indeed.

415
00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:02,566
He was what they call now
is a chick magnet.

416
00:24:02,607 --> 00:24:04,234
Yes!

417
00:24:04,276 --> 00:24:07,237
But you know, I have to say,
when he married my mom,

418
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:10,115
you know, he was, uh--
he was good.

419
00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:13,285
Very loyal, I'm sure he was,
yeah.

420
00:24:13,326 --> 00:24:15,162
That's where I first met
your mom.

421
00:24:15,203 --> 00:24:16,580
Yes.

422
00:24:16,621 --> 00:24:18,206
Wow!

423
00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:19,749
It's so cool that you've known--

424
00:24:19,791 --> 00:24:21,626
like, my mom and you
have stayed friends

425
00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:23,420
-over the years, and...
-Yeah.

426
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:26,798
♪

427
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,342
And she stuck by him
through thick and thin.

428
00:24:29,384 --> 00:24:33,305
I just admire her
tremendously for that.

429
00:24:33,346 --> 00:24:35,974
Because she stuck
through with him

430
00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:39,811
through the bad times,
the really bad times.

431
00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:41,730
There were--there were many.

432
00:24:41,771 --> 00:24:44,774
There aren't too many people
that would do that.

433
00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:47,319
His mother and he used
to argue quite a bit.

434
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,237
(chuckles)

435
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,740
She was very critical of him.

436
00:24:51,781 --> 00:24:53,950
But I think a lot of mothers
are like that.

437
00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:55,952
(chuckles)

438
00:24:55,994 --> 00:24:57,871
What is it they say?

439
00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:01,291
"I can choose my friends
but not my family"?

440
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:03,752
(clock chiming)

441
00:25:06,755 --> 00:25:12,344
♪

442
00:25:12,385 --> 00:25:14,888
I like the feel
of the old English homes,

443
00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:16,431
the bricks.

444
00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:18,725
♪

445
00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:22,187
It seems when you see a lot of
rock and buildings and bricks,

446
00:25:22,229 --> 00:25:26,191
it just--it makes me feel
like there's a little stability.

447
00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:29,402
♪

448
00:25:29,444 --> 00:25:31,446
I needed to do
everything that my Dad

449
00:25:31,488 --> 00:25:33,031
would tell me stories about--

450
00:25:33,073 --> 00:25:36,243
the changing of the guard,
royalty.

451
00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:38,995
You know, royalty was
really important to him.

452
00:25:39,037 --> 00:25:43,625
He felt it was such
an important part of his life.

453
00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:46,211
♪

454
00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:49,506
My dad, he went to the London
Academy of Dramatic Art

455
00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:51,091
and loved it.

456
00:25:51,132 --> 00:25:52,425
He loved being an actor,

457
00:25:52,467 --> 00:25:56,054
and he decided
to live his life.

458
00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:57,722
You know,
to live your life,

459
00:25:57,764 --> 00:26:01,226
to have the courage
to break the mold.

460
00:26:01,268 --> 00:26:02,852
That's incredible.

461
00:26:02,894 --> 00:26:04,771
♪

462
00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:06,606
Gosh, I wish
he was on this trip.

463
00:26:06,648 --> 00:26:16,575
♪

464
00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:27,127
(tone ringing)

465
00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:33,300
-Hello.
-Hi, how are you?

466
00:26:33,341 --> 00:26:34,634
Thank you for--

467
00:26:34,676 --> 00:26:36,219
-Fine, how are you?
-I'm good!

468
00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,804
I just wanted to thank you.

469
00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:39,723
Some of this drama school--

470
00:26:39,764 --> 00:26:42,517
finding my dad's drama school
is huge.

471
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,854
Okay, but I hope you're
still going to Nice and stuff...

472
00:26:45,895 --> 00:26:47,022
-Yes.
-...because this is

473
00:26:47,063 --> 00:26:48,481
a very important part,

474
00:26:48,523 --> 00:26:51,568
and I think Pau is going to be
really exciting for you.

475
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:53,486
It is, so the plan is--

476
00:26:53,528 --> 00:26:55,780
and we'll contact
David Blackburn

477
00:26:55,822 --> 00:26:56,406
after this call--

478
00:26:56,448 --> 00:27:00,452
and so, we'll go to Nice
and Juan-les-Pins.

479
00:27:00,493 --> 00:27:02,912
There's just a lot of these
open-ended questions

480
00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:05,248
I'd love to be able
to put to rest.

481
00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:09,461
Did you like him right away?

482
00:27:09,502 --> 00:27:10,545
-Did it take a while?
-Nearly, mm-hm.

483
00:27:10,587 --> 00:27:12,339
Yeah?

484
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:14,174
Well, he had such
a strong personality.

485
00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:15,842
Yeah.

486
00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:18,887
At that time, I was working
at the Bank of Montreal.

487
00:27:18,928 --> 00:27:20,722
He asked me for dancing

488
00:27:20,764 --> 00:27:22,515
and he laughed
with his deep voice,

489
00:27:22,557 --> 00:27:25,852
"Ha-ha-ha,
I speak French too."

490
00:27:25,894 --> 00:27:27,646
(chuckling)

491
00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:29,356
So that's the way we met.

492
00:27:29,397 --> 00:27:30,982
♪

493
00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:35,320
When did you first meet
his mom, Simone?

494
00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:37,947
When we got engaged.

495
00:27:37,989 --> 00:27:39,574
How was she?

496
00:27:39,616 --> 00:27:40,950
Very snobbish,

497
00:27:40,992 --> 00:27:44,621
and for her, I was
(spitting noise).

498
00:27:44,663 --> 00:27:46,373
But she had to accept me

499
00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:50,001
because I was
the wife of her son.

500
00:27:50,043 --> 00:27:51,586
The pressure
of the Winthrop family

501
00:27:51,628 --> 00:27:53,421
must have been kind of heavy
on him, too.

502
00:27:53,463 --> 00:27:54,589
Yeah, it was.

503
00:27:54,631 --> 00:27:55,590
♪

504
00:27:55,632 --> 00:27:57,926
You have to keep yourself...

505
00:28:01,846 --> 00:28:03,098
♪

506
00:28:03,139 --> 00:28:05,141
Surprise, surprise.

507
00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:06,976
♪

508
00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:10,355
At your university,
you were lonely.

509
00:28:10,397 --> 00:28:13,191
You didn't make as many friends
down there.

510
00:28:13,233 --> 00:28:16,236
Well, of course they were not
of your milieu,

511
00:28:16,277 --> 00:28:18,571
and that happens, you know.

512
00:28:18,613 --> 00:28:20,573
It did happen to me
in (indistinct) too,

513
00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:24,119
although I had many friends
who were fishermen,

514
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,663
locksmith's son.

515
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:30,083
We think a different way.

516
00:28:30,125 --> 00:28:33,169
Our values are different too.

517
00:28:33,211 --> 00:28:35,755
But that's life, I guess.

518
00:28:35,797 --> 00:28:37,257
♪

519
00:28:37,298 --> 00:28:38,883
You know, I'd always wanted
to find out more

520
00:28:38,925 --> 00:28:41,219
about the Winthrop family.

521
00:28:41,261 --> 00:28:41,803
It was something
I just took for granted.

522
00:28:41,845 --> 00:28:43,930
You know, am I the last
of the Winthrops?

523
00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:45,724
'Cause that was something
that had always bothered me

524
00:28:45,765 --> 00:28:47,350
my whole life.

525
00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:51,479
My dad, what was
his expectations of me?

526
00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:53,815
But it was interesting
because my mom had expectations

527
00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:56,484
of what it meant to be
a Winthrop as well.

528
00:28:56,526 --> 00:28:59,821
And we,
as a very dysfunctional family,

529
00:28:59,863 --> 00:29:04,075
put on this huge air
like we're supposed to--

530
00:29:04,117 --> 00:29:06,911
we're very fine.

531
00:29:06,953 --> 00:29:09,205
We looked rich.

532
00:29:09,247 --> 00:29:10,665
But the remaining trust

533
00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:12,500
that my dad had
when he was a child

534
00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:14,878
was getting emptier and emptier
by the minute

535
00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:17,422
and he wasn't doing,
you know, really well.

536
00:29:17,464 --> 00:29:21,134
He was drinking
and he was just depressed.

537
00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:24,137
He was a Winthrop
and he's in a little town.

538
00:29:24,179 --> 00:29:26,097
Life was complicated
with my dad.

539
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:27,348
(laughs)

540
00:29:27,390 --> 00:29:28,683
♪

541
00:29:28,725 --> 00:29:32,145
He had so much love to give.

542
00:29:32,187 --> 00:29:34,814
He was just unhappy.

543
00:29:34,856 --> 00:29:38,651
Would have been nice to have
a little bit more solidity

544
00:29:38,693 --> 00:29:42,405
in terms of joy.

545
00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:43,907
Hold on,
we could focus on him

546
00:29:43,948 --> 00:29:45,074
or we could say,
"You know what?"

547
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,285
You and I have
been working together

548
00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:49,996
for long enough that, yeah,

549
00:29:50,038 --> 00:29:52,707
you can blame your father
for the beliefs you have

550
00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:54,959
or you could say,
"You know what?

551
00:29:55,001 --> 00:29:58,379
In any moment, I can choose
to believe in myself.

552
00:29:58,421 --> 00:30:01,007
I have the tools," right?

553
00:30:01,049 --> 00:30:04,093
So we could--we could spend time
talking about why your dad

554
00:30:04,135 --> 00:30:06,221
believed what he did,
and all right,

555
00:30:06,262 --> 00:30:08,097
or we can say,
"What would it take

556
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:10,600
for you to believe in yourself
at such a high level

557
00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:13,311
you know you can manifest
anything you want?"

558
00:30:13,353 --> 00:30:18,191
♪

559
00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:20,568
When you read
the newspaper articles

560
00:30:20,610 --> 00:30:25,073
on the society pages
from the New York Tribune

561
00:30:25,114 --> 00:30:27,283
and the Chicago Tribune
and Daily News,

562
00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:31,663
which were the American
newspapers here in Europe,

563
00:30:31,704 --> 00:30:34,749
what you see are the Winthrops
are mixing in

564
00:30:34,791 --> 00:30:39,087
at social functions
with all types of royalty.

565
00:30:39,128 --> 00:30:42,882
In some cases, they're the only
people who aren't royal.

566
00:30:42,924 --> 00:30:46,678
♪

567
00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:47,136
Your great-grandparents would
have stayed right down here.

568
00:30:47,136 --> 00:30:49,430
It's a very elegant house.

569
00:30:49,472 --> 00:30:51,266
♪

570
00:30:51,307 --> 00:30:54,018
I'm David Blackburn,
and I do research

571
00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:57,605
into Americans who lived in Pau
in the 19th century.

572
00:30:57,647 --> 00:30:58,815
(gasps)

573
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:01,484
This is spectacular.

574
00:31:01,526 --> 00:31:04,737
It's a--it's a work in process.

575
00:31:04,779 --> 00:31:07,156
The most interesting things

576
00:31:07,198 --> 00:31:10,660
that I've found out
about the Winthrop family

577
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:13,955
is they were the people
that founded our country.

578
00:31:13,997 --> 00:31:15,415
I would say
she should be honored

579
00:31:15,456 --> 00:31:16,708
to be part of that family.

580
00:31:16,749 --> 00:31:26,676
♪

581
00:32:03,004 --> 00:32:04,088
♪

582
00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:08,653
Imagine that people
would be announced.

583
00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:09,988
(mimics pommel striking floor)

584
00:33:10,029 --> 00:33:11,364
♪

585
00:33:11,406 --> 00:33:13,449
Mr. and Mrs. Winthrop.

586
00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:15,618
(laughs)

587
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:18,454
This is a fairytale.

588
00:33:18,496 --> 00:33:21,165
The château and the artwork.

589
00:33:21,207 --> 00:33:23,876
Oh my god, it's incredible.

590
00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:25,378
And I'm also stepping foot

591
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:29,632
in a place that caused pain
for my family.

592
00:33:45,314 --> 00:33:49,277
This castle
was where the count

593
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:54,365
had a love affair with
my great-grandfather's wife.

594
00:33:54,407 --> 00:33:55,783
♪

595
00:33:55,825 --> 00:34:00,747
This became something
that was in the newspapers.

596
00:34:00,788 --> 00:34:05,084
Your great-grandfather
Neilson Winthrop,

597
00:34:05,126 --> 00:34:09,380
he made accusations that
the youngest son, Bertram,

598
00:34:09,422 --> 00:34:12,091
was not actually his son.

599
00:34:12,133 --> 00:34:13,593
If somebody's adopted

600
00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:16,596
or if somebody did have
an illegitimate child,

601
00:34:16,637 --> 00:34:19,265
you know, they still
carried on the last name.

602
00:34:19,307 --> 00:34:22,518
So how does that affect
the Winthrop line?

603
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,813
Any child who was acknowledged
by the father

604
00:34:25,855 --> 00:34:29,317
is legally entitled
to carry the father's name.

605
00:34:29,358 --> 00:34:31,319
♪

606
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,779
So since this is...

607
00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:38,701
Gerald Winthrop, his father,
and Simone Dauphin,

608
00:34:38,743 --> 00:34:40,495
looking--it was
a little bit shocking

609
00:34:40,536 --> 00:34:44,540
to see that the--
they were married, I guess,

610
00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:45,833
while she was already pregnant,

611
00:34:45,875 --> 00:34:49,337
and then they left
for Switzerland.

612
00:34:49,378 --> 00:34:51,589
I'm assuming then the the reason
they went to Switzerland

613
00:34:51,631 --> 00:34:53,883
is possibly to avoid
some of the social stigma

614
00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:57,845
that might have come.

615
00:34:57,887 --> 00:34:58,513
Over the course of 26 years
of genealogical research,

616
00:34:58,554 --> 00:35:03,351
one thing that I can tell you
without any doubt

617
00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:06,479
is that it's France.

618
00:35:06,521 --> 00:35:12,193
Every generation going back
to the 1500s, roughly,

619
00:35:12,235 --> 00:35:16,155
has had the same sexual norms
as we have today,

620
00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:19,117
which means even though
your great-grandmother

621
00:35:19,158 --> 00:35:20,827
said, "No,
we weren't doing that,"

622
00:35:20,868 --> 00:35:25,623
yes, they were.

623
00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:26,082
And the number of illegitimate
child births, of course,

624
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,042
was much higher
in those days

625
00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:31,671
because in the absence
of birth control.

626
00:35:31,712 --> 00:35:34,715
But it's not
the Puritanical society

627
00:35:34,757 --> 00:35:40,054
that you found in England
or even in the United States.

628
00:35:40,096 --> 00:35:42,098
Almost every single family
in the tree,

629
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,559
you'd find
these skeletons and such.

630
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,687
♪

631
00:35:47,728 --> 00:35:50,898
These families,
the Winthrops, for example,

632
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:52,900
they were kind of
celebrities, right,

633
00:35:52,942 --> 00:35:55,528
because we didn't
have television,

634
00:35:55,570 --> 00:35:57,071
there was no radio.

635
00:35:57,113 --> 00:36:01,325
They sometimes wanted to have
privacy from the press.

636
00:36:01,367 --> 00:36:03,077
♪

637
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,620
So they would have been
in this building

638
00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:06,414
with President Grant.

639
00:36:06,455 --> 00:36:08,958
And then just down here
on the left,

640
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,627
Mary Todd Lincoln
lived for four years.

641
00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:15,673
♪

642
00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:20,136
I think that a member
of the Winthrop family

643
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:23,598
at this time
would certainly be welcomed

644
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,895
into any club
or place of society.

645
00:36:41,991 --> 00:36:43,576
(club strikes golf ball)

646
00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:44,619
Look at that.

647
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:45,620
Aw!

648
00:36:45,661 --> 00:36:47,747
Oh, that was close.

649
00:36:47,788 --> 00:36:52,251
Pau built up
this infrastructure of sport

650
00:36:52,293 --> 00:36:54,587
because of the fox hunting.

651
00:36:54,629 --> 00:36:56,380
And because of the golf.

652
00:36:56,422 --> 00:36:58,424
And because of the polo.

653
00:36:58,466 --> 00:36:59,133
(hooves clopping)

654
00:36:59,175 --> 00:37:06,098
And Pau became known as the hub
of the sporting world.

655
00:37:06,140 --> 00:37:11,771
♪

656
00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:14,148
Pau was the place to be
in the winter.

657
00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:18,736
♪

658
00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:23,366
The season focused on
fox hunting.

659
00:37:23,407 --> 00:37:26,160
Neilson Winthrop was
the master of the Pau Hunt.

660
00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:26,994
(gasps)

661
00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:27,828
(dogs squealing)

662
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:29,538
Oh, they're beautiful.

663
00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:32,458
And you've got,
I guess that it was said

664
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:36,087
-the future king of England.
-Edward VII, yes.

665
00:37:36,128 --> 00:37:39,257
Had been invited here
and was hunting here.

666
00:37:39,298 --> 00:37:40,841
There was Coco Chanel.

667
00:37:40,883 --> 00:37:42,301
A fascinating history.

668
00:37:42,343 --> 00:37:44,762
Mm-hm, mm-hm.

669
00:37:44,804 --> 00:37:46,973
This is part
of the Vanderbilt family.

670
00:37:47,014 --> 00:37:48,808
♪

671
00:37:48,849 --> 00:37:49,934
Oh my goodness.

672
00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:51,519
♪

673
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,605
When Neilson Winthrop
was in Pau,

674
00:37:54,647 --> 00:37:57,566
he hunted with these people.

675
00:37:57,608 --> 00:38:00,152
You know, these are the people
you see in history books.

676
00:38:00,194 --> 00:38:01,988
And I'm like,
"I'm part of that."

677
00:38:02,029 --> 00:38:05,741
♪

678
00:38:05,783 --> 00:38:08,077
To be able to walk
where they walked

679
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,372
and for them to see
what we're seeing today...

680
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:13,666
♪

681
00:38:13,708 --> 00:38:17,003
I actually felt like
a movie star, honestly.

682
00:38:17,044 --> 00:38:20,298
I try to bring reality
to my own existence.

683
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:25,594
(chuckles)

684
00:38:25,636 --> 00:38:26,095
But I started feeling probably
some of the first few moments

685
00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:30,224
of my life
where I felt connected.

686
00:38:30,266 --> 00:38:34,186
♪

687
00:38:34,228 --> 00:38:35,396
(engine revs)

688
00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:38,774
♪

689
00:38:38,816 --> 00:38:40,484
This was real as well.

690
00:38:40,526 --> 00:38:43,279
It was a real fairytale.

691
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:48,993
I think she's very lucky
to have in her chromosomes

692
00:38:49,035 --> 00:38:53,789
ancestors that created
the United States.

693
00:38:53,831 --> 00:38:55,624
Oh my goodness,
this is beautiful.

694
00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:57,209
(laughing)

695
00:38:57,251 --> 00:38:59,211
They really are so attached
to me being a Winthrop,

696
00:38:59,253 --> 00:39:01,630
and I wish I had the money
to support the golf club

697
00:39:01,672 --> 00:39:04,592
and the Pau Hunt club
and the Cercle Anglais.

698
00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:08,012
Growing up, I never thought
of being a Winthrop.

699
00:39:08,054 --> 00:39:11,724
I sort of was a Winthrop
by birth.

700
00:39:11,766 --> 00:39:14,769
I understood the weight
of the lineage.

701
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:19,607
I never understood
the grace of it.

702
00:39:19,648 --> 00:39:23,110
And so this was the first time
when I got to feel...

703
00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:25,196
♪

704
00:39:25,237 --> 00:39:27,782
...sort of the princess
on the--

705
00:39:27,823 --> 00:39:30,201
on the beautiful horse.

706
00:39:30,242 --> 00:39:31,202
♪

707
00:39:31,243 --> 00:39:33,162
And it was magical.

708
00:39:33,204 --> 00:39:35,790
And it was enlightening.

709
00:39:35,831 --> 00:39:37,166
And it made me feel good.

710
00:39:37,208 --> 00:39:38,751
I never in a million years...

711
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:41,045
♪

712
00:39:41,087 --> 00:39:44,340
...expected to feel
so proud of them.

713
00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:45,174
(chuckles)

714
00:39:45,216 --> 00:39:55,142
♪

715
00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:16,747
I got a message.

716
00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:20,543
And it was somebody whose name
I didn't recognize.

717
00:40:20,584 --> 00:40:25,881
♪

718
00:40:25,923 --> 00:40:30,678
And she said, "I think
we're closely related.

719
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,431
And I think you're my sister."

720
00:40:33,472 --> 00:40:34,557
Like, "What the hell?"

721
00:40:34,598 --> 00:40:35,850
(laughs)

722
00:40:35,891 --> 00:40:37,351
So I'm freaked out.

723
00:40:37,393 --> 00:40:39,603
♪

724
00:40:39,645 --> 00:40:44,066
"Hi, Liliane, I received your
message through Ancestry DNA.

725
00:40:44,108 --> 00:40:45,317
It sounds like you said

726
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:47,528
that you have a half sister
named Viviane

727
00:40:47,570 --> 00:40:49,530
that you've never met.

728
00:40:49,572 --> 00:40:52,533
So why wait so long
to reach out?"

729
00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:54,785
And then she says,
"I never knew you were Winthrop.

730
00:40:54,827 --> 00:40:56,537
I've looked for you
for a very long time.

731
00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:58,205
I just didn't know
where to start."

732
00:40:58,247 --> 00:40:59,999
♪

733
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,625
You know, I'm saying this
really calmly,

734
00:41:01,667 --> 00:41:06,464
but I just couldn't believe it.

735
00:41:06,505 --> 00:41:09,133
And then she says,
"What is your mother's name?"

736
00:41:09,175 --> 00:41:13,345
And I said,
"Sorry, I'd rather not say yet."

737
00:41:13,387 --> 00:41:16,390
And then she goes, "Oh?"

738
00:41:16,432 --> 00:41:19,268
And she said,
"The Viviane I know of

739
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:21,854
would be Armand's
biological daughter.

740
00:41:21,896 --> 00:41:23,772
The mother would be Claire,
I think."

741
00:41:23,814 --> 00:41:27,693
♪

742
00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:30,905
Who's this person
who's not my dad?

743
00:41:30,946 --> 00:41:33,199
And I couldn't wrap my head
around it.

744
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:43,167
♪

745
00:41:44,084 --> 00:41:45,169
(sighs)

746
00:41:45,211 --> 00:41:46,337
Oh, man.

747
00:41:46,378 --> 00:41:49,131
So then I called my mom.

748
00:41:49,173 --> 00:41:51,800
And I said, "Mom..."

749
00:41:51,842 --> 00:41:54,929
And she answers and I just
went straight for it.

750
00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:59,558
I said, you know, "Do you know
an Armand Perez?"

751
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,021
♪

752
00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:06,857
Maybe another day
I would be able

753
00:42:06,899 --> 00:42:09,610
to say something about that,
but not now.

754
00:42:09,652 --> 00:42:16,909
♪

755
00:42:16,951 --> 00:42:24,375
I met Viviane when I was 9,
10, maybe even 11 years old.

756
00:42:24,416 --> 00:42:28,128
All I remember
is there was a glass door,

757
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:31,340
an entrance to--
whether it was a storefront

758
00:42:31,382 --> 00:42:35,761
or whether it was an entrance
to a building.

759
00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:40,683
Standing outside
was this woman,

760
00:42:40,724 --> 00:42:42,810
and she had a baby stroller.

761
00:42:42,851 --> 00:42:47,356
And my father said, pointing
to the baby in the stroller,

762
00:42:47,398 --> 00:42:49,608
"This is your sister.

763
00:42:49,650 --> 00:42:53,487
We couldn't name her Liliane
because you're Liliane,

764
00:42:53,529 --> 00:42:55,656
so we named her Viviane."

765
00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:57,283
♪

766
00:42:57,324 --> 00:43:00,160
How long did it take me
to find Viviane?

767
00:43:00,202 --> 00:43:01,287
49 years.

768
00:43:01,328 --> 00:43:02,121
(laughs)

769
00:43:02,162 --> 00:43:06,667
♪

770
00:43:06,709 --> 00:43:10,087
Can you talk a little bit
about Armand Perez?

771
00:43:16,885 --> 00:43:21,599
♪

772
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,517
When I found out,

773
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:26,270
I--I was embarrassed.

774
00:43:26,312 --> 00:43:28,439
I felt shame.

775
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,232
Because my mom felt shame.

776
00:43:42,828 --> 00:43:52,755
♪

777
00:43:58,677 --> 00:44:02,473
Berty still has
a photograph of us,

778
00:44:02,514 --> 00:44:05,851
the three of us
in his château.

779
00:44:05,893 --> 00:44:10,689
♪

780
00:44:10,731 --> 00:44:12,149
Hello.

781
00:44:12,191 --> 00:44:13,817
How nice to see you.

782
00:44:13,859 --> 00:44:15,194
(greetings)

783
00:44:15,235 --> 00:44:17,696
I was born
in Château de Joli Bois

784
00:44:17,738 --> 00:44:20,741
in June 1936.

785
00:44:22,951 --> 00:44:24,328
This is amazing.

786
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:29,958
You're my like closest family
on my dad's side.

787
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,002
-Yes, I know, I know this.
-Yeah.

788
00:44:32,044 --> 00:44:36,382
The family is becoming smaller
and smaller across the years,

789
00:44:36,423 --> 00:44:37,466
you know?

790
00:44:37,508 --> 00:44:39,343
♪

791
00:44:39,385 --> 00:44:44,223
I'm the last remaining man
from the Winthrop family.

792
00:44:44,264 --> 00:44:48,769
I think she looks a lot
like probably her father.

793
00:44:48,811 --> 00:44:52,856
She has something here
in the face

794
00:44:52,898 --> 00:44:55,984
that reminds of Simone.

795
00:44:56,026 --> 00:44:57,861
(chuckles)

796
00:44:57,903 --> 00:45:02,658
So, of course,
I had a lot of pictures

797
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,994
of this family living
in the South of France.

798
00:45:06,036 --> 00:45:10,290
♪

799
00:45:10,332 --> 00:45:15,587
And I will give you things
so that you can organize it.

800
00:45:15,629 --> 00:45:19,258
That's the address book
of Lucette.

801
00:45:19,299 --> 00:45:21,927
You know, it's the wife
of Harold Winthrop.

802
00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:25,681
With all the socialite people
that she had on the French,

803
00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:28,684
there is the princess, baron,

804
00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,644
all sorts of people

805
00:45:30,686 --> 00:45:33,939
that they were living with
at that time.

806
00:45:33,981 --> 00:45:36,775
When Berty gave me
that address book

807
00:45:36,817 --> 00:45:41,280
and there were princes
and other aristocrats

808
00:45:41,321 --> 00:45:44,158
that were in that book...

809
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,660
♪

810
00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:48,495
You know, I just felt torn.

811
00:45:48,537 --> 00:45:50,372
♪

812
00:45:50,414 --> 00:45:54,877
I have here the passport
of Harold Winthrop.

813
00:45:54,918 --> 00:46:02,968
♪

814
00:46:06,138 --> 00:46:10,100
Neilson Winthrop had
very, very beautiful things.

815
00:46:10,142 --> 00:46:13,771
Very--well,
most are in museums right now.

816
00:46:13,812 --> 00:46:15,606
(indistinct),

817
00:46:15,647 --> 00:46:17,149
which are very well-known.

818
00:46:17,191 --> 00:46:19,777
These are beautiful treasures.

819
00:46:19,818 --> 00:46:21,862
-These are important pieces.
-Yeah.

820
00:46:21,904 --> 00:46:24,239
I grew up
with the Winthrop furniture.

821
00:46:24,281 --> 00:46:27,117
It was Louis XIV's furniture
and it was amazing.

822
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,953
And the pictures of the past,

823
00:46:29,995 --> 00:46:31,789
that's the one thing I could
relate to was furniture

824
00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:33,749
'cause we had that furniture

825
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:36,627
whom centuries of people
had sat on.

826
00:46:36,668 --> 00:46:39,171
♪

827
00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:40,214
I know Neilson Winthrop

828
00:46:40,255 --> 00:46:42,424
was your grandfather,
of course,

829
00:46:42,466 --> 00:46:45,761
was married,
at the first marriage,

830
00:46:45,803 --> 00:46:47,679
with Louise Winthrop.

831
00:46:47,721 --> 00:46:49,097
And when they divorced,

832
00:46:49,139 --> 00:46:51,517
Bertram Winthrop
stayed with his mother

833
00:46:51,558 --> 00:46:56,522
and the twin brothers,
Harold and Gerald,

834
00:46:56,563 --> 00:46:58,482
stayed with their father.

835
00:46:58,524 --> 00:47:00,025
And you were named
after Bertram and then--

836
00:47:00,067 --> 00:47:03,445
And I was named
by Bertram Winthrop,

837
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:04,988
and Bertram Winthrop
was married,

838
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:09,159
but I believe
he had no children.

839
00:47:09,201 --> 00:47:10,577
Hm.

840
00:47:10,619 --> 00:47:13,539
That's why Reginald
had money from him.

841
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:16,750
♪

842
00:47:16,792 --> 00:47:18,961
There was a question
at one time,

843
00:47:19,002 --> 00:47:23,590
my aunt told me
that probably the bank was--

844
00:47:23,632 --> 00:47:26,468
did not manage as well
as it should have.

845
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:28,846
At the end
of the Winthrop trust,

846
00:47:28,887 --> 00:47:32,015
the money had become
very, very low.

847
00:47:32,057 --> 00:47:34,393
At one time,
the Winthrop family

848
00:47:34,434 --> 00:47:39,231
had to make a large selling
of its furniture.

849
00:47:39,273 --> 00:47:41,984
The trust ended
and all the people

850
00:47:42,025 --> 00:47:44,862
who were benefitting
of the trust

851
00:47:44,903 --> 00:47:47,656
went to the last--last--

852
00:47:47,698 --> 00:47:48,365
The last of the Winthrops.

853
00:47:48,365 --> 00:47:51,159
I know, last of the Winthrops,
who was your father.

854
00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:52,077
Yeah.

855
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:53,203
♪

856
00:47:53,245 --> 00:47:55,080
It's a life I don't understand.

857
00:47:55,122 --> 00:47:56,456
-Yeah.
-You know?

858
00:47:56,498 --> 00:47:58,166
Life--a life I'd like
to understand.

859
00:47:58,208 --> 00:47:59,668
(laughs)

860
00:47:59,710 --> 00:48:01,837
Another--another period,
another life.

861
00:48:01,879 --> 00:48:02,754
Yeah.

862
00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,173
♪

863
00:48:05,215 --> 00:48:07,384
I grew up being told,
you know,

864
00:48:07,426 --> 00:48:07,926
"You are a Winthrop.

865
00:48:07,968 --> 00:48:10,971
You need to be
socially responsible,

866
00:48:11,013 --> 00:48:13,765
you need to help the world,

867
00:48:13,807 --> 00:48:14,474
you need to do something
that's good for the world."

868
00:48:14,474 --> 00:48:17,895
What kind of influence
did they have in your life?

869
00:48:17,936 --> 00:48:20,647
It's difficult to say
because we were--

870
00:48:20,689 --> 00:48:23,358
we were living in
very troubled time, you know.

871
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,527
(airplane engine humming)

872
00:48:25,569 --> 00:48:29,781
The war started in 1939
when I was three years,

873
00:48:29,823 --> 00:48:34,119
and from then on it was
a very difficult period.

874
00:48:34,161 --> 00:48:40,459
♪

875
00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,879
It was a very difficult time
for the French people,

876
00:48:43,921 --> 00:48:45,631
especially for
the Jewish people,

877
00:48:45,672 --> 00:48:47,841
because
the French prime minister,

878
00:48:47,883 --> 00:48:50,260
he collaborated
with the Germans

879
00:48:50,302 --> 00:48:52,179
to send a lot
of Jewish people

880
00:48:52,220 --> 00:48:55,265
in concentration camps
in Germany.

881
00:48:55,307 --> 00:48:58,393
♪

882
00:48:58,435 --> 00:49:02,230
I remember, I have a picture
that remains to me.

883
00:49:02,272 --> 00:49:04,775
My mother was on the terrace.

884
00:49:04,816 --> 00:49:07,861
I was a small boy,
maybe four or five years.

885
00:49:07,903 --> 00:49:10,280
I see my mother crying,
and I say,

886
00:49:10,322 --> 00:49:11,740
"Why are you crying?"

887
00:49:11,782 --> 00:49:13,825
And she tells me,
"Do you hear

888
00:49:13,867 --> 00:49:16,536
the songs of the Germans
on the beach?"

889
00:49:16,578 --> 00:49:19,414
Because the Germans had arrived
in the South of France

890
00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:23,251
and they were bathing
and singing in German

891
00:49:23,293 --> 00:49:25,295
on the beach,
and my mother was crying.

892
00:49:25,337 --> 00:49:27,798
(gunfire)

893
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:29,257
♪

894
00:49:29,299 --> 00:49:30,550
The German arrival,

895
00:49:30,592 --> 00:49:32,135
I don't know how you say it
in English...

896
00:49:32,177 --> 00:49:33,261
They took it over.

897
00:49:33,303 --> 00:49:37,140
They took over
and they put us in the--

898
00:49:37,182 --> 00:49:39,685
in a small house on the land
of the château.

899
00:49:39,726 --> 00:49:41,019
But they lived there.

900
00:49:41,061 --> 00:49:45,148
Made a commandateur
with offices and so on.

901
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:47,150
We managed to find solutions,

902
00:49:47,192 --> 00:49:50,946
sometimes very costly solutions,
to find food.

903
00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:53,824
You could find food
only on the black market,

904
00:49:53,865 --> 00:49:55,367
and it was very expensive.

905
00:49:55,409 --> 00:49:57,619
Mm, and that's in
Tante Vicky's journals.

906
00:49:57,661 --> 00:49:59,913
♪

907
00:49:59,955 --> 00:50:03,917
In her journals,
we see the war progress.

908
00:50:03,959 --> 00:50:07,838
The invasion of the Italians
going right by their street.

909
00:50:07,879 --> 00:50:09,464
This is just incredible.

910
00:50:09,506 --> 00:50:12,009
♪

911
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:14,636
She's queueing
to get vegetables.

912
00:50:14,678 --> 00:50:17,472
Sometimes she'll queue for
a while and then get nothing.

913
00:50:17,514 --> 00:50:19,433
-Yeah, I know.
-Yeah.

914
00:50:19,474 --> 00:50:21,768
It was a very difficult time.

915
00:50:21,810 --> 00:50:23,437
♪

916
00:50:23,478 --> 00:50:25,731
How was your mom
through that whole thing?

917
00:50:25,772 --> 00:50:28,108
♪

918
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:29,484
Scary.

919
00:50:29,526 --> 00:50:31,862
♪

920
00:50:31,903 --> 00:50:34,823
And at that time,
things were bad

921
00:50:34,865 --> 00:50:38,452
because my mother
fell in love with Ostrach

922
00:50:38,493 --> 00:50:41,163
and my father
committed suicide.

923
00:50:41,204 --> 00:50:45,000
♪

924
00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:48,336
How did she explain it though?

925
00:50:48,378 --> 00:50:49,921
Difficult for her.

926
00:50:49,963 --> 00:50:53,133
It was--it was difficult
all her life,

927
00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:58,764
because she didn't accept
that he committed suicide.

928
00:50:58,805 --> 00:51:00,307
♪

929
00:51:00,348 --> 00:51:01,850
Yeah, oh my gosh.

930
00:51:01,892 --> 00:51:05,896
Because--yeah, yeah,
it was difficult for her.

931
00:51:05,937 --> 00:51:09,066
They--they lived
a very difficult life

932
00:51:09,107 --> 00:51:11,068
-at that time.
-Mm-hm. Yeah.

933
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:12,235
You know.

934
00:51:12,277 --> 00:51:18,450
♪

935
00:51:18,492 --> 00:51:20,202
When my dad was young,

936
00:51:20,243 --> 00:51:22,829
the Italian soldiers
would send him on errands

937
00:51:22,871 --> 00:51:24,289
and that's how he made
some money

938
00:51:24,331 --> 00:51:26,249
so he could go to the movies.

939
00:51:26,291 --> 00:51:27,918
♪

940
00:51:27,959 --> 00:51:29,503
So he did the same thing
for the Germans,

941
00:51:29,544 --> 00:51:31,922
but they ended up--

942
00:51:31,963 --> 00:51:35,008
they sent him through this house
and they gassed him.

943
00:51:35,050 --> 00:51:44,976
♪

944
00:51:58,740 --> 00:52:01,034
How long were you married
until you found out

945
00:52:01,076 --> 00:52:03,995
that he was sterile?

946
00:52:08,041 --> 00:52:09,417
Cut.

947
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:15,382
♪

948
00:52:15,423 --> 00:52:19,553
I know there are moments
where I felt guilty.

949
00:52:19,594 --> 00:52:20,720
Yeah...

950
00:52:20,762 --> 00:52:23,014
But I planned on telling him.

951
00:52:23,056 --> 00:52:24,266
And then somehow
it didn't happen,

952
00:52:24,307 --> 00:52:26,434
and that was at that moment

953
00:52:26,476 --> 00:52:28,228
that I felt
really, really bad.

954
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:38,196
♪

955
00:52:39,489 --> 00:52:40,699
(phone ringing)

956
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:45,328
♪

957
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:47,581
So what's going on?

958
00:52:47,622 --> 00:52:50,083
So I didn't tell Berty.

959
00:52:50,125 --> 00:52:50,876
Mom says I shouldn't tell him

960
00:52:50,876 --> 00:52:53,670
'cause he's older
and he's not gonna have the...

961
00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:56,590
♪

962
00:52:56,631 --> 00:52:59,176
...you know,
he's gonna not take it well.

963
00:52:59,217 --> 00:53:03,138
♪

964
00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,057
But what do you think
about telling or not telling?

965
00:53:06,099 --> 00:53:07,934
Like, you know, he--

966
00:53:12,105 --> 00:53:14,399
What do you mean
if it's not gonna help him?

967
00:53:14,441 --> 00:53:15,609
(sniffles)

968
00:53:18,153 --> 00:53:20,363
Well, he'll find out
when he sees the movie

969
00:53:20,405 --> 00:53:20,780
and then he'll be
really upset, like,

970
00:53:20,822 --> 00:53:23,366
"Why didn't you tell me?"

971
00:53:23,408 --> 00:53:25,076
My dad always told me,
"Tell the truth."

972
00:53:32,209 --> 00:53:34,294
When she found out
about having siblings,

973
00:53:34,336 --> 00:53:36,880
I saw how it affected her.

974
00:53:36,922 --> 00:53:39,216
And at that point,

975
00:53:39,257 --> 00:53:41,301
it seemed like
it was causing problems

976
00:53:41,343 --> 00:53:42,677
between her and her mother.

977
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,933
♪

978
00:53:47,974 --> 00:53:49,851
Mom and I talked
for a little while.

979
00:53:49,893 --> 00:53:53,146
We just ended up
texting each other.

980
00:53:53,188 --> 00:53:53,480
She's like--she's like,
"Well, do what you want."

981
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:54,940
But it hurts her.

982
00:53:54,981 --> 00:53:56,483
♪

983
00:53:56,524 --> 00:53:57,692
'Cause it's hard even for me,

984
00:53:57,734 --> 00:53:59,069
I feel embarrassed.

985
00:53:59,110 --> 00:53:59,653
Like, I have to tell Berty,
like,

986
00:53:59,694 --> 00:54:02,239
"Hey, I'm not genetically
a Winthrop."

987
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,824
Because I thought
I was one my whole life.

988
00:54:04,866 --> 00:54:07,494
Does it make a difference,
you know?

989
00:54:07,535 --> 00:54:08,995
To people it does.

990
00:54:09,037 --> 00:54:12,082
♪

991
00:54:12,123 --> 00:54:13,458
I still feel like Winthrop.

992
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:15,418
I don't know
what my dad would say.

993
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:17,128
When I keep thinking about this
whole Winthrop thing,

994
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:20,632
I keep missing my dad and
it just stops me in my tracks.

995
00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:24,135
♪

996
00:54:24,177 --> 00:54:26,763
My mom's had 50 years
of feeling bad,

997
00:54:26,805 --> 00:54:29,224
and I'm tired of feeling angry
about the whole situation.

998
00:54:29,266 --> 00:54:34,104
I just want to find some peace
and some inner peace.

999
00:54:34,145 --> 00:54:36,856
♪

1000
00:54:36,898 --> 00:54:38,525
I find that she goes through
a lot of emotional stuff

1001
00:54:38,566 --> 00:54:40,610
before she gets down
to the point

1002
00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:42,404
of where she's having
a problem.

1003
00:54:42,445 --> 00:54:44,739
She's Viviane.

1004
00:54:47,117 --> 00:54:50,161
It's too hard to put on
those airs all the time.

1005
00:54:50,203 --> 00:54:53,039
Too many expectations.

1006
00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:55,500
Most of them unachievable.

1007
00:54:55,542 --> 00:54:58,295
And just being who she was
would be better than anything.

1008
00:54:58,336 --> 00:55:00,297
That's really what I was trying
to get out of her,

1009
00:55:00,338 --> 00:55:02,507
'cause that's the best person
she could be.

1010
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:04,759
Probably the easiest person
she could be.

1011
00:55:10,432 --> 00:55:20,358
♪

1012
00:55:23,028 --> 00:55:27,741
It eats at me, I cannot live
what she's asking me to live.

1013
00:55:27,782 --> 00:55:29,993
♪

1014
00:55:30,035 --> 00:55:31,745
I just can't.

1015
00:55:31,786 --> 00:55:33,455
♪

1016
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:43,381
♪

1017
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,888
♪

1018
00:56:03,568 --> 00:56:07,864
♪

1019
00:56:07,906 --> 00:56:10,909
Since his experience as a kid,

1020
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:13,286
Reg told me memories,

1021
00:56:13,328 --> 00:56:16,206
and they were not fun
to go through.

1022
00:56:16,247 --> 00:56:23,046
♪

1023
00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:26,216
As a child,
when he was in school,

1024
00:56:26,257 --> 00:56:28,885
during the occupation
of the Germans,

1025
00:56:28,927 --> 00:56:34,307
they forced all the kids
to bring down their pants

1026
00:56:34,349 --> 00:56:37,143
to check
if they were circumcised,

1027
00:56:37,185 --> 00:56:39,646
"circoncis" in French.

1028
00:56:39,687 --> 00:56:44,025
And Reggie said
he never saw them again.

1029
00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,027
The Germans took them,

1030
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:49,239
and never heard,
never saw them.

1031
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,243
♪

1032
00:56:53,284 --> 00:56:55,787
My dad went
through most of his life

1033
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:57,580
feeling abandoned by his mother

1034
00:56:57,622 --> 00:57:00,750
because after his dad
passed away,

1035
00:57:00,792 --> 00:57:04,421
she sent him here to Switzerland
to the boarding school.

1036
00:57:04,462 --> 00:57:07,757
In his life, he felt he had lost
not only his father,

1037
00:57:07,799 --> 00:57:10,218
but he felt he also lost
his mother.

1038
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,137
He had such abandonment issues,

1039
00:57:12,178 --> 00:57:14,973
and I just always felt
for my dad so much,

1040
00:57:15,014 --> 00:57:17,225
and, you know,
would like to at least have

1041
00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:20,103
an understanding,
and my own understanding,

1042
00:57:20,145 --> 00:57:23,606
as to why perhaps
she had sent him away.

1043
00:57:23,648 --> 00:57:25,567
I can say this:

1044
00:57:25,608 --> 00:57:28,194
You have to remember
that at this level of society,

1045
00:57:28,236 --> 00:57:31,698
boarding school
was an accepted must

1046
00:57:31,739 --> 00:57:33,366
for every young gentleman

1047
00:57:33,408 --> 00:57:36,161
or young person who was going
to become a gentleman,

1048
00:57:36,202 --> 00:57:38,538
because it was
at boarding school

1049
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:42,500
that characters are formed
and relationships are formed

1050
00:57:42,542 --> 00:57:44,627
that last a lifetime.

1051
00:57:44,669 --> 00:57:46,838
I'm reasonably certain
that she felt

1052
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,675
that this was expected of her,
it was expected of him,

1053
00:57:50,717 --> 00:57:54,179
and perhaps one of the reasons
I can throw out there

1054
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:57,557
speculatively
that he never understood that

1055
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:01,603
was because he never got
to enjoy the wealth

1056
00:58:01,644 --> 00:58:05,607
of the life
of being a Winthrop

1057
00:58:05,648 --> 00:58:09,694
like the other generations
before him did.

1058
00:58:09,736 --> 00:58:19,621
♪

1059
00:58:23,958 --> 00:58:27,712
Okay, well, all I found today

1060
00:58:27,754 --> 00:58:30,465
is this tomb

1061
00:58:30,507 --> 00:58:35,261
which is conceded to your family
in perpetuity.

1062
00:58:35,303 --> 00:58:38,056
I doubt anybody's visited
these graves

1063
00:58:38,097 --> 00:58:41,726
since the last burial,
which I think was in 1974.

1064
00:58:47,649 --> 00:58:48,983
Wow.

1065
00:58:49,025 --> 00:58:50,485
Oh my goodness,

1066
00:58:50,527 --> 00:58:54,531
what a beautiful,
beautiful resting place.

1067
00:58:54,572 --> 00:58:55,949
(sighs)

1068
00:58:57,784 --> 00:59:01,120
Gosh, my dad never got to see
where his mom was buried.

1069
00:59:04,624 --> 00:59:05,583
(sighs)

1070
00:59:05,625 --> 00:59:07,335
I hope you are all at peace,

1071
00:59:07,377 --> 00:59:08,336
every one of you.

1072
00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:31,317
♪

1073
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:32,819
I love you, you know.

1074
00:59:32,860 --> 00:59:34,821
Of course you do.

1075
00:59:34,862 --> 00:59:38,074
♪

1076
00:59:38,116 --> 00:59:41,160
Especially in all
these stressful moments,

1077
00:59:41,202 --> 00:59:44,581
we think very much about you.

1078
00:59:44,622 --> 00:59:46,791
♪

1079
00:59:46,833 --> 00:59:51,004
I remember sitting,
looking at them,

1080
00:59:51,045 --> 00:59:52,297
reading books.

1081
00:59:52,338 --> 00:59:55,091
He was reading books for her.

1082
00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:57,176
And if he was talking,

1083
00:59:57,218 --> 01:00:02,765
and if your back was touching
the back of the sofa,

1084
01:00:02,807 --> 01:00:08,062
you can feel the vibration
of his voice.

1085
01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:09,063
♪

1086
01:00:09,105 --> 01:00:10,898
I remember

1087
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:12,609
when you used to go out,

1088
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:15,820
and Mother made costume for you.

1089
01:00:15,862 --> 01:00:20,908
I think I even made you up
one night.

1090
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:23,911
I remember that, certainly.

1091
01:00:23,953 --> 01:00:27,332
In any relationship,
in any couple,

1092
01:00:27,373 --> 01:00:30,209
there's always good and bad.

1093
01:00:30,251 --> 01:00:33,713
♪

1094
01:00:33,755 --> 01:00:35,965
He was very sick.

1095
01:00:36,007 --> 01:00:38,217
I was a rock for him.

1096
01:00:38,259 --> 01:00:39,260
♪

1097
01:00:39,302 --> 01:00:41,095
Stability.

1098
01:00:41,137 --> 01:00:46,893
And was always
a little difficult.

1099
01:00:46,934 --> 01:00:49,187
Did quite a lot of drinking.

1100
01:00:49,228 --> 01:00:52,565
Ah, I must forget those...

1101
01:00:52,607 --> 01:00:54,901
bad days, I suppose.

1102
01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:04,827
♪

1103
01:01:16,089 --> 01:01:17,256
♪

1104
01:01:17,298 --> 01:01:19,133
I was not happy...

1105
01:01:19,175 --> 01:01:20,802
♪

1106
01:01:35,358 --> 01:01:36,943
♪

1107
01:01:36,984 --> 01:01:41,155
The old days, (unintelligible)
never say something

1108
01:01:41,197 --> 01:01:45,785
because the (unintelligible)
is not what it is today.

1109
01:01:45,827 --> 01:01:49,789
And Canada was still
very under the influence

1110
01:01:49,831 --> 01:01:51,499
of the church.

1111
01:01:51,541 --> 01:01:55,586
To live into a small village,
my father was the mayor,

1112
01:01:55,628 --> 01:01:58,256
my father was a priorité,

1113
01:01:58,297 --> 01:02:01,008
and to heard about.

1114
01:02:01,050 --> 01:02:03,845
You know,
because in a small village,

1115
01:02:03,886 --> 01:02:06,347
everybody knows the story
of everybody.

1116
01:02:06,389 --> 01:02:09,225
♪

1117
01:02:09,267 --> 01:02:11,519
My parents knew, and Reg knew,

1118
01:02:11,561 --> 01:02:14,522
and they were supporting me,

1119
01:02:14,564 --> 01:02:17,275
and my family supported me
and helped me.

1120
01:02:17,316 --> 01:02:19,152
♪

1121
01:02:19,193 --> 01:02:20,903
When Reg passed away...

1122
01:02:20,945 --> 01:02:22,780
♪

1123
01:02:22,822 --> 01:02:26,200
We had many secrets together,

1124
01:02:26,242 --> 01:02:29,954
but when he passed away...

1125
01:02:29,996 --> 01:02:31,789
♪

1126
01:02:31,831 --> 01:02:34,625
...for many months,

1127
01:02:34,667 --> 01:02:37,086
I'd go on the balcony

1128
01:02:37,128 --> 01:02:41,090
and I had big discussions
with him, mentally...

1129
01:02:41,132 --> 01:02:42,675
♪

1130
01:02:42,717 --> 01:02:46,053
...trying to explain
circumstances...

1131
01:02:46,095 --> 01:02:49,265
♪

1132
01:02:49,307 --> 01:02:54,729
...and which was more easy
this way to communicate...

1133
01:02:54,771 --> 01:02:57,648
♪

1134
01:02:57,690 --> 01:03:00,443
...and express my sorry.

1135
01:03:00,485 --> 01:03:10,411
♪

1136
01:03:16,542 --> 01:03:19,754
Would've been easier
if she just told me,

1137
01:03:19,796 --> 01:03:21,005
you know?

1138
01:03:21,047 --> 01:03:23,758
I only felt that my mom
had resented me

1139
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,551
for things
I never really understood.

1140
01:03:25,593 --> 01:03:28,471
I never felt good enough.

1141
01:03:28,513 --> 01:03:31,140
As I grew up, I never felt like
a good enough Winthrop either.

1142
01:03:31,182 --> 01:03:34,435
I didn't accomplish anything
that was Winthrop worthy.

1143
01:03:34,477 --> 01:03:36,854
♪

1144
01:03:36,896 --> 01:03:39,649
Here, my dad raised me
and didn't say anything.

1145
01:03:39,690 --> 01:03:42,443
Did he know? Did he not know?

1146
01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:43,528
♪

1147
01:03:43,569 --> 01:03:45,947
And Mom said he knew,

1148
01:03:45,988 --> 01:03:50,034
so...they kept this secret.

1149
01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:52,829
They kept my story from me.

1150
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:54,247
♪

1151
01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:56,249
All the trust I had was broken.

1152
01:03:56,290 --> 01:03:58,417
I was just a mess.

1153
01:03:58,459 --> 01:04:02,129
I had lost my dad
all over again.

1154
01:04:02,171 --> 01:04:06,133
♪

1155
01:04:06,175 --> 01:04:10,304
Here I am on this journey

1156
01:04:10,346 --> 01:04:13,182
trying to figure out
how I really feel.

1157
01:04:13,224 --> 01:04:21,274
♪

1158
01:04:22,900 --> 01:04:26,070
You see, there's always
a purpose in life.

1159
01:04:26,112 --> 01:04:31,576
♪

1160
01:04:31,617 --> 01:04:33,160
Oh my gosh!

1161
01:04:33,202 --> 01:04:35,705
No wonder he was happy here.

1162
01:04:35,746 --> 01:04:38,583
Probably in his three-piece suit
or just really elegant

1163
01:04:38,624 --> 01:04:40,042
and his beautifully--

1164
01:04:40,084 --> 01:04:42,336
you know, his shoes
would've been polished.

1165
01:04:42,378 --> 01:04:45,339
This is how I want
to remember my dad.

1166
01:04:45,381 --> 01:04:47,592
♪

1167
01:04:47,633 --> 01:04:49,677
I'm so happy for your trip.

1168
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:52,388
I love you, dear.

1169
01:04:52,430 --> 01:04:55,600
I'm very proud of you.

1170
01:04:55,641 --> 01:04:57,101
I love you.

1171
01:04:57,143 --> 01:04:58,728
I love you too.

1172
01:04:58,769 --> 01:05:02,773
♪

1173
01:05:02,815 --> 01:05:06,527
Well, my darling,
it's now quarter to eight,

1174
01:05:06,569 --> 01:05:09,739
and Mother said you were able
to get through to her

1175
01:05:09,780 --> 01:05:12,700
from a telephone box
in the street.

1176
01:05:12,742 --> 01:05:14,660
I'm just dying
to hear from you.

1177
01:05:14,702 --> 01:05:16,746
Of course, I'm dying
to see you first

1178
01:05:16,787 --> 01:05:18,998
and get it firsthand from you.

1179
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,252
It will be quite an experience
to share together.

1180
01:05:23,294 --> 01:05:29,508
♪

1181
01:05:29,550 --> 01:05:32,011
My whole identity,

1182
01:05:32,053 --> 01:05:34,305
like every decision
I ever made

1183
01:05:34,347 --> 01:05:38,100
was based on being
a Winthrop.

1184
01:05:38,142 --> 01:05:40,353
You've done well
to come to England

1185
01:05:40,394 --> 01:05:42,605
to do, like, the research,

1186
01:05:42,647 --> 01:05:43,898
and I know for you,

1187
01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:45,858
it must be tough
and heartbreaking

1188
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:48,110
to know what you've come from...

1189
01:05:48,152 --> 01:05:49,987
And then to find out

1190
01:05:50,029 --> 01:05:53,658
my--it turns out
my biological father

1191
01:05:53,699 --> 01:05:55,618
was an illusionist.

1192
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:57,703
She fell for the illusion.

1193
01:05:57,745 --> 01:05:59,830
I found--my sister found me.

1194
01:05:59,872 --> 01:06:02,166
I didn't think I had a sister.

1195
01:06:02,208 --> 01:06:03,918
-Wow.
-I'm like, "What?

1196
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:05,711
What do you mean,
you think you're my sister?"

1197
01:06:05,753 --> 01:06:07,171
"Are you sure?"
Yeah, yeah.

1198
01:06:07,213 --> 01:06:08,839
You're some crazy lady, yeah.

1199
01:06:08,881 --> 01:06:10,466
-Yeah.
-Most of your life,

1200
01:06:10,508 --> 01:06:13,761
when you thought you was
just the only child,

1201
01:06:13,803 --> 01:06:18,015
it's just worked out now
you have a big extended family.

1202
01:06:18,057 --> 01:06:20,059
Yeah, you've had a lot
to take in.

1203
01:06:20,101 --> 01:06:21,894
Come and give me a big hug,
come on.

1204
01:06:21,936 --> 01:06:22,937
-Okay.
-Come on.

1205
01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:25,648
♪

1206
01:06:25,690 --> 01:06:27,483
You'll be fine, seriously.

1207
01:06:27,525 --> 01:06:28,901
You'll be fine, all right?

1208
01:06:28,943 --> 01:06:36,534
♪

1209
01:06:36,575 --> 01:06:38,786
Liliane said,
"I would have much rather spoken

1210
01:06:38,828 --> 01:06:39,954
to you about it in person,

1211
01:06:39,996 --> 01:06:41,747
however it was meant to
be this way.

1212
01:06:41,789 --> 01:06:43,290
Please stay in touch with me.

1213
01:06:43,332 --> 01:06:45,209
I would fly out
to meet you sometime

1214
01:06:45,251 --> 01:06:46,961
if and when you would be ready.

1215
01:06:47,003 --> 01:06:50,423
Or you can come here,
or we can meet somewhere.

1216
01:06:50,464 --> 01:06:52,967
Please, please don't stay away."

1217
01:06:53,009 --> 01:07:02,852
♪

1218
01:07:05,855 --> 01:07:08,315
She was still in so much shock
on her own,

1219
01:07:08,357 --> 01:07:10,317
and I think that was
the whole thing.

1220
01:07:10,359 --> 01:07:13,571
She was like, "So, you wanna
change your name to Perez?"

1221
01:07:13,612 --> 01:07:16,073
I said, "No, I'm still,
you know, who I am,

1222
01:07:16,115 --> 01:07:18,034
but I have more,
I have sisters.

1223
01:07:18,075 --> 01:07:19,994
You should be happy for me."

1224
01:07:20,036 --> 01:07:21,412
(sighs)

1225
01:07:21,454 --> 01:07:24,415
♪

1226
01:07:24,457 --> 01:07:26,125
It's so confusing.

1227
01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:29,086
♪

1228
01:07:29,128 --> 01:07:30,588
But she's still just going

1229
01:07:30,629 --> 01:07:33,340
through her own trials
and tribulations.

1230
01:07:33,382 --> 01:07:35,968
♪

1231
01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:38,012
He would've been fine
with it, Mom.

1232
01:07:38,054 --> 01:07:39,388
♪

1233
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:41,807
-Hmm?
-He would've been fine with it.

1234
01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:45,186
He might've been pissed off
for like a week or two.

1235
01:07:45,227 --> 01:07:47,396
Never.

1236
01:07:47,438 --> 01:07:50,316
He knew from the beginning,

1237
01:07:50,357 --> 01:07:54,111
but he'd never say so.

1238
01:07:54,153 --> 01:07:57,156
And you just didn't want to...

1239
01:07:57,198 --> 01:07:58,532
you didn't want to say?

1240
01:07:58,574 --> 01:08:02,536
Okay, the time is short
for getting the dinner

1241
01:08:02,578 --> 01:08:05,873
and you have to leave,
and packing and everything,

1242
01:08:05,915 --> 01:08:08,626
-and you need to listen--
-Mom, it's only 11.

1243
01:08:08,667 --> 01:08:11,295
-You need to listen--huh?
-It's only 11.

1244
01:08:11,337 --> 01:08:13,172
We have three hours.

1245
01:08:13,214 --> 01:08:17,384
By the time you pack up
and everything and leave...

1246
01:08:22,681 --> 01:08:24,975
You are changing, Viviane.

1247
01:08:25,017 --> 01:08:26,560
Right, I mean, you're not--

1248
01:08:26,602 --> 01:08:29,146
you're not even the person
you thought you were.

1249
01:08:29,188 --> 01:08:31,899
You weren't even right
on your name, girl.

1250
01:08:31,941 --> 01:08:33,442
(Viviane laughing)

1251
01:08:36,987 --> 01:08:39,990
♪

1252
01:08:40,032 --> 01:08:42,076
I totally understand, Viviane,

1253
01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:45,871
and I also remember

1254
01:08:45,913 --> 01:08:48,582
where you were with worrying.

1255
01:08:48,624 --> 01:08:52,586
♪

1256
01:08:52,628 --> 01:08:55,756
-Things have been different.
-Mm-hmm.

1257
01:08:55,798 --> 01:08:59,176
I think--I guess I've been
sort of holding onto this,

1258
01:08:59,218 --> 01:09:01,178
and even though there are
some really great things

1259
01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:03,639
about, you know,
having brothers and sisters,

1260
01:09:03,681 --> 01:09:06,225
the--the loss is still something

1261
01:09:06,267 --> 01:09:08,227
I have to be careful
not to look at

1262
01:09:08,269 --> 01:09:10,980
because then
it really gets me down.

1263
01:09:11,021 --> 01:09:12,439
I'm really scared,

1264
01:09:12,481 --> 01:09:15,025
and my fear is just,

1265
01:09:15,067 --> 01:09:17,194
that's what I really need
some help with,

1266
01:09:17,236 --> 01:09:18,696
'cause I'm scared.

1267
01:09:18,737 --> 01:09:21,407
It's new and it's different
and, you know,

1268
01:09:21,448 --> 01:09:24,034
they may not like me,
all that stuff.

1269
01:09:24,076 --> 01:09:27,204
Let's write
all these things down.

1270
01:09:27,246 --> 01:09:29,081
These are all your fears.

1271
01:09:29,123 --> 01:09:33,043
So you said,
"I'm afraid they won't like me."

1272
01:09:33,085 --> 01:09:37,423
So this is one of the worries,
"They won't like me."

1273
01:09:37,464 --> 01:09:39,049
Okay, what else?

1274
01:09:39,091 --> 01:09:42,094
♪

1275
01:09:42,136 --> 01:09:43,137
(sighs)

1276
01:09:43,179 --> 01:09:44,180
Oh, man.

1277
01:09:44,221 --> 01:09:47,892
♪

1278
01:09:47,933 --> 01:09:50,186
(chatter)

1279
01:09:50,227 --> 01:09:51,770
♪

1280
01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:56,692
(excited exclamations)

1281
01:09:56,734 --> 01:09:58,444
Sorry...

1282
01:09:58,485 --> 01:10:01,071
(laughing)

1283
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:07,244
Very funny that
she had always wanted to have

1284
01:10:07,286 --> 01:10:10,247
brothers and sisters,
and when she found out

1285
01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:13,751
she had sisters,
she was just ecstatic.

1286
01:10:13,792 --> 01:10:17,087
She was just jumping around,
always just,

1287
01:10:17,129 --> 01:10:18,839
"I have sisters,
I have sisters!"

1288
01:10:18,881 --> 01:10:24,720
♪

1289
01:10:24,762 --> 01:10:27,640
(laughing)

1290
01:10:27,681 --> 01:10:35,731
♪

1291
01:10:35,898 --> 01:10:38,400
Forty-nine years!

1292
01:10:38,442 --> 01:10:42,029
-Forty-nine years!
-We found our sister!

1293
01:10:42,071 --> 01:10:43,447
And I said, "Well, you know,

1294
01:10:43,489 --> 01:10:45,199
you have lots
of brothers and sisters."

1295
01:10:45,241 --> 01:10:46,867
(laughing)

1296
01:10:46,909 --> 01:10:48,535
I'm Andrew Perez,

1297
01:10:48,577 --> 01:10:50,663
Viviane's brother.

1298
01:10:50,704 --> 01:10:53,207
♪

1299
01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:55,167
I'm Danny Perez,
Viviane's brother.

1300
01:10:55,209 --> 01:10:57,461
♪

1301
01:10:57,503 --> 01:11:00,464
Jacques Perez,
Viviane's brother.

1302
01:11:00,506 --> 01:11:03,425
♪

1303
01:11:03,467 --> 01:11:05,052
Liliane, Viviane,

1304
01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:07,596
come and do the lighting
of the candle.

1305
01:11:07,638 --> 01:11:10,057
♪

1306
01:11:10,099 --> 01:11:12,643
(praying in Hebrew)

1307
01:11:12,685 --> 01:11:20,734
♪

1308
01:11:22,695 --> 01:11:25,114
We're from Morocco,
my parents are from Morocco,

1309
01:11:25,155 --> 01:11:28,117
I'm from Morocco,
and Jacques is from Morocco.

1310
01:11:28,158 --> 01:11:29,660
We were born in Morocco.

1311
01:11:29,702 --> 01:11:30,744
♪

1312
01:11:30,786 --> 01:11:33,747
We were raised as Moroccan Jews

1313
01:11:33,789 --> 01:11:35,666
in Montreal.

1314
01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:39,003
(singing in Hebrew)

1315
01:11:39,044 --> 01:11:42,047
♪

1316
01:11:42,089 --> 01:11:44,717
My father was...

1317
01:11:44,758 --> 01:11:47,886
my idol growing up.

1318
01:11:47,928 --> 01:11:50,931
I loved him with all my heart,

1319
01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:54,059
and so, to me,
he could do no wrong,

1320
01:11:54,101 --> 01:11:57,730
and I--there was nothing
that he did wrong in my eyes.

1321
01:11:57,771 --> 01:11:59,898
(singing in Hebrew)

1322
01:11:59,940 --> 01:12:04,528
♪

1323
01:12:04,570 --> 01:12:07,531
(speaking Hebrew)

1324
01:12:07,573 --> 01:12:12,995
♪

1325
01:12:13,037 --> 01:12:17,041
He would do his magic tricks
all the time for the kids.

1326
01:12:17,082 --> 01:12:18,959
He loved doing his magic tricks.

1327
01:12:20,669 --> 01:12:22,921
To begin, my dad
was a hypnotist,

1328
01:12:22,963 --> 01:12:24,423
hypnotist magician.

1329
01:12:24,465 --> 01:12:26,175
Illusionist, actually.

1330
01:12:26,216 --> 01:12:28,052
He didn't like when
we called him "hypnotist."

1331
01:12:28,093 --> 01:12:29,928
He was an illusionist.

1332
01:12:29,970 --> 01:12:33,098
He would hypnotize
a whole audience,

1333
01:12:33,140 --> 01:12:36,268
which was amazing
when you would watch this.

1334
01:12:36,310 --> 01:12:37,603
♪

1335
01:12:37,644 --> 01:12:40,230
He was a very good-looking man.

1336
01:12:40,939 --> 01:12:42,232
(laughing)

1337
01:12:42,274 --> 01:12:43,942
He was,
he was a very good-looking,

1338
01:12:43,984 --> 01:12:45,569
very attractive man.

1339
01:12:45,611 --> 01:12:48,822
He was just, you know,
he was Dad.

1340
01:12:48,864 --> 01:12:52,743
♪

1341
01:12:52,785 --> 01:12:54,620
She's always doing something.

1342
01:12:54,661 --> 01:12:57,164
She's always busy
doing something,

1343
01:12:57,206 --> 01:12:59,625
and that was a trait also
of my father's.

1344
01:12:59,666 --> 01:13:01,043
He was always doing something.

1345
01:13:01,085 --> 01:13:02,628
He was not one to sit,

1346
01:13:02,669 --> 01:13:05,381
and Viviane is not one to sit.

1347
01:13:05,422 --> 01:13:07,508
♪

1348
01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:10,135
My mother and my father
divorced.

1349
01:13:10,177 --> 01:13:13,555
I was 13,
but even after they divorced,

1350
01:13:13,597 --> 01:13:15,224
they were still very close.

1351
01:13:15,265 --> 01:13:17,101
My mom and dad
were always close,

1352
01:13:17,142 --> 01:13:18,769
to the day my mom died.

1353
01:13:18,811 --> 01:13:19,937
(laughter)

1354
01:13:19,978 --> 01:13:21,772
He married three times.

1355
01:13:21,814 --> 01:13:23,065
The fact that we're--

1356
01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:25,818
we don't all have
the same mother

1357
01:13:25,859 --> 01:13:28,404
is irrelevant.

1358
01:13:28,445 --> 01:13:30,614
They are my brothers.

1359
01:13:30,656 --> 01:13:32,241
(laughter)

1360
01:13:32,282 --> 01:13:35,327
They are my sisters.

1361
01:13:35,369 --> 01:13:37,496
I don't see anything different
with Viviane

1362
01:13:37,538 --> 01:13:39,665
than with the rest
of the family.

1363
01:13:39,706 --> 01:13:40,749
Seriously.

1364
01:13:40,791 --> 01:13:42,960
♪

1365
01:13:43,001 --> 01:13:45,129
I wish for Viviane...

1366
01:13:45,170 --> 01:13:49,550
I just wish
that she would accept...

1367
01:13:49,591 --> 01:13:51,885
that we're a family,

1368
01:13:51,927 --> 01:13:55,639
and that's all there is to it,
you know?

1369
01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:58,434
Maybe she doesn't know
the definition of family

1370
01:13:58,475 --> 01:14:00,686
the way you know
the definition of family.

1371
01:14:00,727 --> 01:14:02,688
Actually, I never thought
of it that way.

1372
01:14:02,729 --> 01:14:04,314
One, two, three.

1373
01:14:04,356 --> 01:14:06,108
One, two...

1374
01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:07,943
-Empty it.
-Empty it.

1375
01:14:07,985 --> 01:14:09,278
Okay.

1376
01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:11,238
♪

1377
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:15,367
(praying in Hebrew)

1378
01:14:15,409 --> 01:14:16,702
-Amen.
-Amen.

1379
01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:19,538
She doesn't understand
your love yet.

1380
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:22,875
I think she needs
to find peace

1381
01:14:22,916 --> 01:14:26,503
in her own world first,

1382
01:14:26,545 --> 01:14:30,132
and then she can learn
to love differently.

1383
01:14:30,174 --> 01:14:31,800
She wasn't raised the same,

1384
01:14:31,842 --> 01:14:34,511
so she's not going to love
the same.

1385
01:14:34,553 --> 01:14:36,805
♪

1386
01:14:36,847 --> 01:14:39,641
Right now she needs to learn
to love Viviane

1387
01:14:39,683 --> 01:14:41,477
and accept Viviane.

1388
01:14:41,518 --> 01:14:43,770
♪

1389
01:14:43,812 --> 01:14:47,566
I heard about Viviane
a long time ago.

1390
01:14:47,608 --> 01:14:50,652
When I heard she was coming in

1391
01:14:50,694 --> 01:14:52,654
and we were gonna meet,

1392
01:14:52,696 --> 01:14:56,450
it was, uh, a little bit...

1393
01:14:56,492 --> 01:14:58,285
nerve-racking.

1394
01:14:58,327 --> 01:15:00,579
I wasn't sure who she was,

1395
01:15:00,621 --> 01:15:02,915
where she comes from,
what she does.

1396
01:15:02,956 --> 01:15:05,959
I wish we had met
each other before.

1397
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,171
What else can I say?

1398
01:15:10,088 --> 01:15:11,256
I'm blessed.

1399
01:15:11,298 --> 01:15:13,634
Thank you. Amen.

1400
01:15:13,675 --> 01:15:16,261
Viviane, to the rest
of our life.

1401
01:15:16,303 --> 01:15:17,971
-Okay.
-Viviane wants to say something.

1402
01:15:18,013 --> 01:15:21,850
Okay, I'm gonna stand up 'cause
I feel kind of shy, actually.

1403
01:15:21,892 --> 01:15:23,185
Don't be shy.

1404
01:15:23,227 --> 01:15:25,521
I'm shy.
Okay, I think I'll sit down.

1405
01:15:25,562 --> 01:15:27,189
Why are you shy?
You're our sister.

1406
01:15:27,231 --> 01:15:28,023
You're our sister,
what's wrong?

1407
01:15:28,023 --> 01:15:31,151
It's almost like Viviane's
always been part of the family.

1408
01:15:31,193 --> 01:15:36,031
We love one another,
we care for one another,

1409
01:15:36,073 --> 01:15:39,535
and it's just a normal thing,
it's just normal family.

1410
01:15:39,576 --> 01:15:41,995
-Okay, move out of the way.
-You're our sister.

1411
01:15:42,037 --> 01:15:44,540
There's no shyness
between brothers and sisters,

1412
01:15:44,581 --> 01:15:46,291
nieces and nephews, sweetheart.

1413
01:15:46,333 --> 01:15:47,876
-Okay.
-You are our family.

1414
01:15:47,918 --> 01:15:50,128
We are a family.

1415
01:15:50,170 --> 01:15:52,589
Okay, I have to hold hands.

1416
01:15:52,631 --> 01:15:55,008
Okay.

1417
01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:59,263
I am so grateful
to every single one of you

1418
01:15:59,304 --> 01:16:01,974
for being here and sharing,

1419
01:16:02,015 --> 01:16:05,143
and I feel...

1420
01:16:05,185 --> 01:16:07,854
Okay, I gotta make this through.

1421
01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:11,149
It's an incredible feeling
from being alone

1422
01:16:11,191 --> 01:16:14,695
to having family,
but now I have family.

1423
01:16:14,736 --> 01:16:15,904
-Oh.
-Cute.

1424
01:16:15,946 --> 01:16:19,491
♪

1425
01:16:19,533 --> 01:16:22,578
I just feel like I belong.

1426
01:16:22,619 --> 01:16:24,496
-Bless you.
-Amen.

1427
01:16:24,538 --> 01:16:26,582
(cheering)

1428
01:16:26,623 --> 01:16:36,592
♪

1429
01:16:54,901 --> 01:16:57,654
"This is my letter to myself.

1430
01:16:57,696 --> 01:16:59,698
You're not alone.

1431
01:16:59,740 --> 01:17:03,285
That's the story of your past,
but it's not your story now.

1432
01:17:03,327 --> 01:17:05,287
I love you..."

1433
01:17:05,329 --> 01:17:06,330
(sighs)

1434
01:17:06,371 --> 01:17:07,831
"...and you can breathe deeply

1435
01:17:07,873 --> 01:17:11,209
because you're also appreciated
and cared for.

1436
01:17:11,251 --> 01:17:15,881
You're able and capable
of loving and being loved.

1437
01:17:15,922 --> 01:17:20,886
And in all that you are
and all that I am."

1438
01:17:20,927 --> 01:17:23,639
Kind of cool,
I actually see my mom in me.

1439
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,933
I never really looked at myself
long enough to see my mom.

1440
01:17:26,975 --> 01:17:28,268
(sniffles)

1441
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:34,983
♪

1442
01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:38,695
My new story
is that I accept myself

1443
01:17:38,737 --> 01:17:41,573
and I can and choose
to be happy.

1444
01:17:41,615 --> 01:17:51,541
♪

1445
01:17:54,002 --> 01:17:56,380
I know it's been hard for you,

1446
01:17:56,421 --> 01:17:57,881
but I'm really happy.

1447
01:17:57,923 --> 01:18:00,008
Good, I'm glad to hear.

1448
01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:04,012
Thank you for opening up your
heart and sharing everything.

1449
01:18:04,054 --> 01:18:13,980
♪

1450
01:18:43,635 --> 01:18:47,347
Well, you know,
I was, uh, sad,

1451
01:18:47,389 --> 01:18:51,059
and, um, and this somebody,
we went to bed,

1452
01:18:51,101 --> 01:18:54,730
and when we went to bed,
we make a little girl

1453
01:18:54,771 --> 01:18:56,314
called Viviane.

1454
01:18:56,356 --> 01:18:58,942
(laughing)

1455
01:18:58,984 --> 01:19:02,070
It doesn't make any difference,
you know.

1456
01:19:02,112 --> 01:19:03,613
That's all, that's it.

1457
01:19:03,655 --> 01:19:05,407
Just the things of life,
you know,

1458
01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:07,868
sometime things happen,

1459
01:19:07,909 --> 01:19:12,456
but nobody except ourselves
have to know about that.

1460
01:19:12,497 --> 01:19:14,124
You know, it's...

1461
01:19:14,166 --> 01:19:17,753
I mean, nobody in the family
said anything?

1462
01:19:17,794 --> 01:19:19,337
Nobody said anything?

1463
01:19:19,379 --> 01:19:20,630
♪

1464
01:19:20,672 --> 01:19:24,176
I can't even imagine
how you felt.

1465
01:19:24,217 --> 01:19:28,638
There's so much that goes
into each individual,

1466
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,015
each family.

1467
01:19:30,056 --> 01:19:32,058
Cousins, friends, neighbors.

1468
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:36,104
Family is who you love
and who loves you.

1469
01:19:37,397 --> 01:19:39,274
-Yeah.
-I guess, yeah,

1470
01:19:39,316 --> 01:19:41,860
okay, you went through trauma
finding out about that

1471
01:19:41,902 --> 01:19:45,322
how you did, but you've come out
through the other side stronger,

1472
01:19:45,363 --> 01:19:46,698
twice the woman,

1473
01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:50,202
and 'cause you've got
two fantastic families,

1474
01:19:50,243 --> 01:19:51,453
and, wow.

1475
01:19:51,495 --> 01:19:52,954
So it just shows,

1476
01:19:52,996 --> 01:19:55,207
it's this nature and nurture
thing, isn't it,

1477
01:19:55,248 --> 01:19:57,751
and, um, both are
just as important.

1478
01:19:57,793 --> 01:20:03,048
♪

1479
01:20:03,089 --> 01:20:05,801
So, darling, until, uh,

1480
01:20:05,842 --> 01:20:09,721
my next, uh, émission with you,

1481
01:20:09,763 --> 01:20:13,475
this is Reg Winthrop

1482
01:20:13,517 --> 01:20:18,021
signing off until next time.

1483
01:20:18,063 --> 01:20:19,731
Love you, dear.

1484
01:20:19,773 --> 01:20:21,525
♪

1485
01:20:21,566 --> 01:20:23,902
(reciting poem in French)

1486
01:20:23,944 --> 01:20:33,870
♪

1487
01:21:17,914 --> 01:21:27,883
♪