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...a stronger national judicial structure,
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and there developed a more independent
way of thinking for the judiciary.
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So that there was training of judges,
and an idea of...
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consistency across China.
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And of course, at different times in
the last 30 years that's been subject to
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different degrees of control by the
Communist Party.
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Judges are beholden, they depend on the
Communist Party to maintain office...
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- They are, and in fact...
- Totally unlike here...
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...however Labour leader Bill Shorten
isn't convinced,
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giving a vote of no confidence
at question time:
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"If nearly half of his own government
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"do not want him to be
the prime minister of Australia,
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"why should the rest of Australia
have to put up with him?"
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Peter Dutton has now quit cabinet,
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and promises he won't try
and cause problems:
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"I will work every day
to make sure
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"the coalition is elected
at the next election,
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"and I want to make sure
that I support the prime minister,
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"and to make sure that we support
the government's policies".
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Also making news today,
a family has been left devastated
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after their son and brother was killed
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in a hit-and-run in South Geelong
early this morning.
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The driver left the 32-year-old
victim for dead,
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after knocking him down as he walked home
from a night out with friends.
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Passers-by attempted CPR,
but he couldn't be saved.
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And a couple of crooks are still on the run
after a smash-and-grab fail at Keysborough.
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They used a car to smash
into a Lotto centre,
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before trying to steal an ATM
that had no money inside.
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Saints great Nick Riewoldt
surprised to hear
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that Jarrad Waite is calling it a day;
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the North forward confirming Sunday's
clash with St Kilda will be his...
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Hi Mutti, it's just me.
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Mutti?
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It's just me. Mutti.
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It's Buschi.
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It's Buschi, Mutti.
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It's Buschi, Mutti, it's Buschi.
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I'll call you tomorrow.
Okay, bye bye.
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Hi hun.
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Just left work.
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I'm on Blackburn Road.
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Yeah, it's slow, it's wet.
Is it raining there?
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And it's really warm.
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I'm just getting on the freeway,
just hang on...
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It's gonna be slow...
They're banked up by the lights here.
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How was your day?
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I tried, I didn't get anywhere.
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I'll call her tomorrow, I don't know.
Tomorrow's... You know, you know...
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Oh, yeah?
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Did you book the fares
and all that?
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God.
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How much airfares,
how much accommodation?
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And what time are we leaving,
what time are we coming back and all that?
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4:05.
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That's early.
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Oh, okay.
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Are we driving over on Sunday?
Or are we driving over on Saturday?
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We're driving Sunday, Saturday
morning aren't we? Sunday morning.
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And that's coming back though.
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No, that's going over.
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See the mums.
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And then go, but it means
we have to get away by three o'clock.
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Geez.
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It will be a funny day, won't it?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Come back. Which is okay.
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And then coming back?
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And that's on... Friday.
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What time are we leaving?
5... 4... 5:45?
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5:35. Okay.
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And that's uh...
That's May, that's...
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Yeah.
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No.
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Yeah, yeah. No, that's okay.
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Yeah, so like I was saying,
I dropped in after court today.
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And I...
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Marie was too busy to talk to me.
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I went and saw Julie.
And she was really weird.
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- What was Marie doing?
- Oh, Marie was just on the phone.
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She just looked at me,
and stared at me.
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Michelle glared at me.
I'm just gonna call my mum.
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Let me get going.
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I'm just gonna call my mum,
I do it every day.
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And then I'll give Cheri a quick call.
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Just bear with me,
I'll do that in a second.
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They expect a call from me everyday
when I start heading home.
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And like I said,
Michelle glared at me.
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And then...
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And then, you know, I just left.
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I thought, "Bugger that".
I'm not going to get caught up in that.
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- What did you do to Michelle?
- Nothing, I think...
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I think she's just part
of the whole problem.
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How are you and your lot going,
in your area?
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It's been fine.
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I don't know anything going on
over there with you guys.
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Yeah, I know.
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Stay that way.
It's the best way to be.
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- I'll just be a few secs, David, okay?
- Sure.
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Hello, Mutti?
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Hello? It's Buschi.
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Hi Mutti, how are you?
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How are you?
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Good.
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Ah yeah?
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Oh, good.
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Good.
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Good.
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Yeah?
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And what's the food like?
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Excellent.
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I'm pleased, Mutti, okay then.
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Well I'm just coming home from work.
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Just a quick hello
and then I'll get going, okay?
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Not for another couple of weeks.
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But I will come.
I am coming soon, okay?
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Alright.
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And we can get some money for you as well.
I'll bring you some money, okay?
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You don't need money, Mutti,
but I'll bring some money.
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And you can have it in your wallet
or your purse, okay?
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Alright?
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Hello, are you there?
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Mutti?
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Yeah, I know, Mutti.
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In a couple of weeks.
I better get going. I'll get going, okay?
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I'll call you tomorrow. Bye bye.
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My mum thinks she's in a hotel.
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As long as she's happy.
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I'll just call Cheri, okay?
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- Do you mind if I put some air on, Andrew?
- Yeah, sure.
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Hi hun, it's just me.
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I'm okay, I'm with David,
so I won't talk for long.
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"Hi David".
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How are you? How is everything?
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Yeah, she thought she was in a hotel.
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Which is good.
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She actually knew who I was.
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She was quite comfortable,
she was quite happy.
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Oh, okay.
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It didn't settle, no.
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Just a motor vehicle accident.
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There was just... It just didn't settle.
It wasn't going to go anywhere.
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Big insurance companies they don't,
they don't really...
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They're just playing a game.
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I won't talk for long, hun.
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Tonight...
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I've got something on my left knee,
or something.
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But it's okay. It comes and goes.
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One minute it's okay,
next minute it's not. But anyway...
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When I get home, we'll eat real quick
and then we'll go, okay?
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Just coming up to the freeway now,
so about...
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Probably...
It depends on the traffic.
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Yesterday was really good.
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Today might be really crap.
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It's saying good.
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16 minutes.
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Yeah, I reckon about an hour.
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Oh, 45 minutes.
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Actually, it went away.
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No, it did, it really did go away.
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No, I took a Panadeine and Disprin.
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Okay hun, I better go.
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See you later. Okay, bye bye.
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- Sorry about that, David.
- That's alright.
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I didn't see that truck there
that just came on us.
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- Where?
- You didn't see it too, just behind us.
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My mum thought she was in a hotel.
She goes through stages.
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She thinks she's travelling Europe.
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Her res care home...
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Some days I call her and she's completely
out of it, and other times she's...
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And then she always wants money.
Even though she doesn't spend any money.
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I give her money and then it disappears
when I come back next time.
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I give her a couple of hundred
every time I visit
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and it's all gone by the time
I come back.
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You know, they just take it.
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But anyway...
That's neither here nor there.
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She uses the money?
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No, she has no reason,
there's nothing to buy.
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But then why is the money gone?
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Well think about it, what happens?
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It's taken by somebody.
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But if you make a complaint,
what's the point?
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She feels good that she has money
in her wallet.
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I mean, she's lost all her cards...
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Her ID, her driver's licence.
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We left it in her purse
and it's all disappeared,
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I don't know what happens.
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When they get old, they hide things
and they throw things away.
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It's getting worse and worse,
but you know...
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Anyway.
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So yeah, like I was saying,
what about you and Simon?
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Simon and you aren't bothered
by what's happening at all, are you?
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Simon and Marie are tight.
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- Oh, yeah.
- He knows how to deal with her.
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Well, it's not a question of knowing
how to deal with her, it's basically...
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- if you just play the game and let her...
- Well, he knows how to play the game.
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Well play the game... If you just be
subservient and get rolled over.
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What Marie doesn't like is anybody who
pushes back on her, that's the problem.
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I thought I'd avoid the whole issue but...
the whole blow up will get to me as well.
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But anyway.
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You've got to get out of there, Andrew.
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- Well, you do...
- It sounds like...
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What about you?
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You're happy, so...
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Are you happy there?
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Being out here?
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I'll leave eventually,
but at the moment it doesn't suit me.
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Have you ever thought about the bar?
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Yeah, I have.
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But I've got... You know... I only...
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Look, I've got it pretty good.
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I go to the court, then I do mediations
or I do my other tutoring stuff.
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I had a mediation today, I get paid...
it only went for a couple of hours,
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but I get paid for three or so.
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There's no pressure.
Why would I change that?
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I don't know...
Get Marie out of your life?
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But I'll leave when it suits me,
it doesn't suit me at the moment.
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What about yourself?
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- With the bar?
- I'm thinking about it. Maybe.
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I'll try and sit the exam
later this year.
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Oh yeah, in November?
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It's the November exam, yeah.
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What year did you come?
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- At work? When did I start?
- Yeah.
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Well, they have me down as 13,
but I went away.
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I've been casual for... now five years.
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Some years I just did their court work.
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They've been pretty good to me.
They were before,
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now it's all changed.
It's a different environment now.
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Look, eventually I'm going
to have to leave.
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But at this stage I'll stay.
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Or just start toeing the line.
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- Start toeing the line.
- It's not about toeing the line, David.
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I don't know what it is actually.
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Maybe I'm part of the old guard
and I just gotta get removed.
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But I enjoy the work too much.
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While I still enjoy...
the court work, I'll stay.
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I don't have a heavy case load now,
so I'm pretty good.
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Anyway.
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So you're in Kensington too?
Around the corner from us now, aren't you?
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Yeah, it's good.
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I kinda like it there, it's pretty quiet.
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Have you guys been there a while?
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About 21 years, a long time.
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And whereabouts are you?
What street are you on?
247
00:22:23,814 --> 00:22:26,294
- I'm just off Rankins Road.
- Okay.
248
00:22:26,454 --> 00:22:27,934
That really is close.
249
00:22:28,094 --> 00:22:29,294
I never see you...
250
00:22:29,814 --> 00:22:31,134
in the shops or anything.
251
00:22:31,814 --> 00:22:34,214
- I mostly go to Flemington.
- Oh, okay.
252
00:22:39,734 --> 00:22:41,174
Do you live by yourself?
253
00:22:42,534 --> 00:22:45,894
No, I share a place with two friends.
254
00:22:48,654 --> 00:22:51,734
- Did you know them before?
- Pardon me?
255
00:22:51,894 --> 00:22:55,294
You've known them or are they out
of the book share house friends?
256
00:22:55,454 --> 00:22:57,814
They were both friends of friends.
257
00:23:01,094 --> 00:23:03,014
- Sorta knew them...
- Male or female?
258
00:23:03,174 --> 00:23:04,774
- One male, one female.
- Oh, okay.
259
00:23:07,854 --> 00:23:10,574
You're a bit long in the tooth
to be sharing a house still.
260
00:23:12,174 --> 00:23:14,654
- Well I mean, you know...
- Thanks, Andrew.
261
00:23:14,814 --> 00:23:17,774
But are you looking
at anything long term?
262
00:23:17,934 --> 00:23:20,534
Are you with anyone?
Partnered?
263
00:23:23,494 --> 00:23:27,254
No, as of a month or so ago.
264
00:23:27,414 --> 00:23:28,414
Oh, okay.
265
00:23:29,374 --> 00:23:30,414
Don't ask?
266
00:23:33,774 --> 00:23:34,814
Don't ask?
267
00:23:38,574 --> 00:23:39,654
You don't need to ask.
268
00:23:39,814 --> 00:23:40,934
Don't ask.
269
00:23:51,614 --> 00:23:53,254
Were you together long?
270
00:23:54,614 --> 00:23:56,334
It wasn't too long.
It was about...
271
00:23:57,614 --> 00:23:59,774
- Six or seven months or so.
- Yeah, okay.
272
00:24:02,054 --> 00:24:03,054
But...
273
00:24:06,254 --> 00:24:07,534
Only six or seven.
274
00:24:10,014 --> 00:24:10,654
Oh well.
275
00:24:10,814 --> 00:24:13,214
Still felt like it could
have been something.
276
00:24:13,374 --> 00:24:14,454
Why is that?
277
00:24:15,574 --> 00:24:18,814
Alright. Anyway, okay.
Doing anything on the weekend then?
278
00:24:21,014 --> 00:24:22,894
- Not too much planned.
- Okay.
279
00:24:23,054 --> 00:24:25,294
- You're going away tomorrow?
- We're going away tonight.
280
00:24:25,454 --> 00:24:27,974
- Oh, tonight?
- Yeah, yeah. As soon as I get home.
281
00:24:28,734 --> 00:24:31,694
Oh geez, look at that.
The board is orange.
282
00:24:32,734 --> 00:24:33,734
Great.
283
00:24:36,774 --> 00:24:38,014
Here we go.
284
00:24:40,894 --> 00:24:42,334
I wonder why it was green...
285
00:24:42,494 --> 00:24:44,854
Wonder why it's 12 minutes still.
That's weird.
286
00:24:45,254 --> 00:24:46,734
We're miles away.
287
00:24:47,214 --> 00:24:51,094
- Maybe it's just this little stretch.
- No, it just doesn't work.
288
00:24:51,254 --> 00:24:52,454
It looks pretty bad.
289
00:25:26,014 --> 00:25:27,334
So what happened?
290
00:25:28,814 --> 00:25:29,814
What happened with?
291
00:25:29,974 --> 00:25:33,134
With your girlfriend, what happened?
Can I ask? I'm just curious.
292
00:25:40,054 --> 00:25:41,854
- Well...
- Did you...?
293
00:25:43,054 --> 00:25:45,854
- I always ask too many personal questions.
- No, it's alright.
294
00:25:46,014 --> 00:25:47,054
It's just what I do.
295
00:25:47,214 --> 00:25:49,134
She ended it.
296
00:25:49,294 --> 00:25:51,654
- It was about a month ago.
- Oh, okay.
297
00:25:54,574 --> 00:25:57,894
The frustrating thing is
we're in the same circle,
298
00:25:58,054 --> 00:26:00,014
so I bump into her
every now and then.
299
00:26:00,774 --> 00:26:02,694
You're still holding a torch for her?
300
00:26:03,374 --> 00:26:04,854
A bit? Or something?
301
00:26:05,854 --> 00:26:06,854
I don't know.
302
00:26:07,694 --> 00:26:09,734
It's hard if you keep seeing someone...
303
00:26:09,894 --> 00:26:11,494
- Regularly.
- Yeah.
304
00:26:13,414 --> 00:26:15,694
Yeah, a clean break is better, isn't it?
305
00:26:20,134 --> 00:26:21,894
How long have you and Cheri
been together?
306
00:26:22,054 --> 00:26:23,134
A long time.
307
00:26:24,894 --> 00:26:25,934
Long time.
308
00:26:26,094 --> 00:26:28,974
- What do you mean?
- It means a long time.
309
00:26:35,294 --> 00:26:36,294
Many years.
310
00:26:40,374 --> 00:26:41,454
From high school?
311
00:26:41,614 --> 00:26:42,654
Maybe.
312
00:26:43,014 --> 00:26:44,014
Maybe not.
313
00:26:46,534 --> 00:26:47,614
Many years.
314
00:26:55,014 --> 00:26:57,174
- Did you guys have kids?
- No.
315
00:26:59,614 --> 00:27:01,614
No, I think it was a choice.
316
00:27:01,774 --> 00:27:05,054
It was a philosophical choice.
317
00:27:05,614 --> 00:27:09,054
Look, too many people
in the world already.
318
00:27:09,214 --> 00:27:10,334
Seriously.
319
00:27:11,134 --> 00:27:13,014
And also we had crazy sisters.
320
00:27:15,414 --> 00:27:16,934
Long story.
321
00:27:17,094 --> 00:27:19,694
And also just finding the time as well.
322
00:27:19,854 --> 00:27:23,334
And I don't think either
of us regret it.
323
00:27:26,454 --> 00:27:30,614
Somebody has to not have kids,
you can't all breed like rabbits.
324
00:27:30,774 --> 00:27:32,534
What's the point? Honestly?
325
00:27:34,654 --> 00:27:38,374
Maybe I grew up in an area
where it just seemed pointless...
326
00:27:38,534 --> 00:27:39,734
Everybody was just sort of...
327
00:27:39,894 --> 00:27:42,414
All the families with their kids,
it seemed like...
328
00:27:42,574 --> 00:27:44,774
It was just a never-ending
cycle of, "Why?"
329
00:27:44,934 --> 00:27:46,254
You know what I mean?
330
00:27:48,334 --> 00:27:50,294
- But anyway.
- Which area?
331
00:27:50,454 --> 00:27:52,974
- In Adelaide.
- Oh right, okay.
332
00:27:54,534 --> 00:27:58,854
I wasn't... it wasn't a fancy...
It was a working-class area.
333
00:28:00,214 --> 00:28:01,414
It was just... You know...
334
00:28:04,214 --> 00:28:06,654
Everybody just eking out their existence.
335
00:28:06,814 --> 00:28:10,014
I don't know... Why?
What's the purpose?
336
00:28:10,174 --> 00:28:12,574
But it was a different time back then too.
337
00:28:12,734 --> 00:28:16,214
I think kids are now
more of a fashion accessory.
338
00:28:16,854 --> 00:28:19,414
It's okay to have kids,
it's okay to get married now too.
339
00:28:19,574 --> 00:28:21,934
We weren't married for years as well.
340
00:28:22,094 --> 00:28:24,334
It seemed like such a funny thing to do.
341
00:28:27,094 --> 00:28:29,774
- But now everyone wants to get married.
- You guys got married?
342
00:28:29,934 --> 00:28:32,654
We only got married
because we went overseas.
343
00:28:32,814 --> 00:28:35,654
She got covered by my
health insurance in America.
344
00:28:35,814 --> 00:28:37,694
Otherwise, we wouldn't have been married.
345
00:28:37,854 --> 00:28:40,414
We were both against it in principle.
346
00:28:40,614 --> 00:28:42,774
It seems like less people
are getting married.
347
00:28:43,014 --> 00:28:45,934
Oh, no.
You reckon? No.
348
00:28:47,494 --> 00:28:49,694
No, people want to get married now.
349
00:28:49,854 --> 00:28:51,254
People want to get married.
350
00:28:51,414 --> 00:28:54,894
Well I don't know. Your friends,
are they married? Formally married?
351
00:28:55,214 --> 00:28:56,894
I don't know. Maybe one or two.
352
00:29:01,454 --> 00:29:03,894
I got the impression
that people now get married.
353
00:29:05,174 --> 00:29:08,254
And certainly children
are much more the thing.
354
00:29:08,414 --> 00:29:13,374
You can see it with all the child centres
and the schools re-opening.
355
00:29:13,494 --> 00:29:16,494
Twenty years ago they were closing
them all here in Victoria.
356
00:29:17,574 --> 00:29:19,374
I think the lane is shut up ahead.
357
00:29:19,534 --> 00:29:23,894
- Oh, really?
- Yeah. There must have been an accident.
358
00:29:24,054 --> 00:29:25,054
Great.
359
00:29:29,774 --> 00:29:31,134
Oh yeah, I see it.
360
00:29:34,894 --> 00:29:36,414
So you don't regret the decision?
361
00:29:36,574 --> 00:29:38,854
What? Which one? To change lanes?
362
00:29:39,734 --> 00:29:42,134
- What decision?
- The philosophical decision.
363
00:29:42,294 --> 00:29:43,974
Oh, no, no, no. Fine.
364
00:29:44,134 --> 00:29:47,414
Sometimes I think I'd be...
365
00:29:48,654 --> 00:29:50,054
I haven't bought the...
366
00:29:50,214 --> 00:29:54,174
I shouldn't say it.
I feel like maybe I haven't bought the...
367
00:29:54,334 --> 00:29:55,494
What is it?
368
00:29:55,854 --> 00:29:59,454
The box and dice and accepted
that that's what life's all about.
369
00:30:01,134 --> 00:30:03,294
I'll probably be lonely as I get older.
370
00:30:05,094 --> 00:30:06,934
Okay, what's happening?
371
00:30:08,934 --> 00:30:09,934
Thank you.
372
00:30:12,294 --> 00:30:13,974
That was close.
373
00:30:17,094 --> 00:30:19,654
- I wonder what happened.
- Breakdown.
374
00:30:19,814 --> 00:30:22,014
- You reckon?
- Maybe. We'll see.
375
00:30:25,014 --> 00:30:27,814
They don't have any
safety lanes anymore.
376
00:30:37,214 --> 00:30:39,534
Some smart-arse will go
all along on the inner lane
377
00:30:39,694 --> 00:30:41,414
then squeeze in
at the last moment.
378
00:30:42,534 --> 00:30:43,614
Yeah like that.
379
00:30:44,054 --> 00:30:45,254
And like this one.
380
00:30:45,894 --> 00:30:48,974
- Looks like two lanes.
- Opportunist.
381
00:30:51,614 --> 00:30:53,734
I'll be an opportunist too.
382
00:30:54,214 --> 00:30:57,174
There we go...
Always find your moment somewhere.
383
00:30:59,814 --> 00:31:00,894
In you get.
384
00:31:22,974 --> 00:31:25,694
It would be crazy if they were
doing road works at this time.
385
00:31:27,694 --> 00:31:29,974
Oh no, it's a broken-down truck.
386
00:31:36,814 --> 00:31:38,014
Okay, cool.
387
00:32:25,214 --> 00:32:27,854
The grass opens up
once you move away.
388
00:32:41,614 --> 00:32:44,374
- It's almost like a crop actually.
- It is almost.
389
00:32:44,534 --> 00:32:47,974
I was going to say, what is it?
What grass is it?
390
00:32:48,134 --> 00:32:49,254
I don't know.
391
00:34:45,494 --> 00:34:48,694
Yeah, I don't know what you were
like when you were at uni Jon,
392
00:34:48,854 --> 00:34:50,294
but I was not a very good student...
393
00:34:50,454 --> 00:34:53,294
I smoked far too much dope,
threw far too many Frisbees,
394
00:34:53,454 --> 00:34:56,534
played too much billiards,
chased too many girls, and...
395
00:34:57,134 --> 00:34:59,134
around about September
each year I thought
396
00:34:59,294 --> 00:35:01,494
I better do enough work to pass.
397
00:35:01,654 --> 00:35:05,534
Exactly... Except I was chasing
boys rather than girls.
398
00:35:05,894 --> 00:35:08,214
Otherwise I'd have to leave,
if I failed I'd have to leave,
399
00:35:08,294 --> 00:35:10,294
and I want to keep this going
for as long as I can.
400
00:35:10,374 --> 00:35:12,294
I think, for me,
this is the first time
401
00:35:12,454 --> 00:35:15,174
where I've really understood
what it is to be a student.
402
00:35:19,374 --> 00:35:22,934
You know this, you've interviewed
so many writers and artists...
403
00:35:24,574 --> 00:35:28,214
There's always this terror that comes
when you release a new work into...
404
00:35:28,694 --> 00:35:31,414
into the world. And I've been...
I've been quite terrified.
405
00:35:31,574 --> 00:35:34,134
And Wayne, my partner,
said the best thing to me,
406
00:35:34,294 --> 00:35:37,614
because he's been through this process
over the last seven years.
407
00:35:38,014 --> 00:35:39,374
It's really, you know...
408
00:35:39,534 --> 00:35:42,774
If I think about it, it's much longer
in terms of the thinking about it.
409
00:35:43,814 --> 00:35:46,614
- So it's been distilling in the background?
- Exactly.
410
00:35:46,894 --> 00:35:50,134
And he said,
"You will never lose this, right?
411
00:35:50,534 --> 00:35:53,534
"What you've learnt through doing
this book will be always be there".
412
00:35:53,854 --> 00:35:56,254
The scenario you've portrayed,
and I haven't got to the end,
413
00:35:56,334 --> 00:35:57,814
but I think I know how it ends...
414
00:35:58,574 --> 00:36:02,054
Because we kind of know
what goes on, but...
415
00:36:02,534 --> 00:36:05,694
The life and the times
that you recreate
416
00:36:05,854 --> 00:36:09,534
are brutal and savage,
and almost dystopian.
417
00:36:10,134 --> 00:36:12,374
Did you want us to strip away
418
00:36:12,534 --> 00:36:17,414
the veneer of respectability
in the early days of Christianity?
419
00:36:18,094 --> 00:36:23,134
Yeah, because I think what happens is...
And it happened to me growing up...
420
00:36:23,294 --> 00:36:25,974
You get this picture-postcard
version of...
421
00:36:26,374 --> 00:36:29,174
I mean you get a blonde Jesus,
with blue eyes, right? That's...
422
00:36:29,334 --> 00:36:33,614
Even in Bridge Road in Richmond in 1970s,
that was the image of Jesus...
423
00:36:34,614 --> 00:36:38,574
And I wanted to go right back,
to what this time was like and...
424
00:36:40,734 --> 00:36:43,974
Yes, the book is set
in the first century, you know...
425
00:36:45,414 --> 00:36:48,934
You know, the first decades after
Jesus was crucified.
426
00:36:49,454 --> 00:36:50,974
But I wanted it to, if...
427
00:36:51,134 --> 00:36:54,214
I hope, that it calls back and forth
between our era and then.
428
00:36:54,374 --> 00:36:56,094
It's called "Damascus",
and it's called "Damascus"
429
00:36:56,134 --> 00:36:58,614
because of Paul's moment
on the road to Damascus.
430
00:36:59,254 --> 00:37:01,814
I was writing it over a period where...
431
00:37:02,374 --> 00:37:05,534
this country and this society
was being torn apart.
432
00:37:05,694 --> 00:37:09,454
And you read the material,
you read the history.
433
00:37:09,614 --> 00:37:13,894
And you read the great Jewish writers
like Josephus, you read...
434
00:37:16,774 --> 00:37:22,174
You read the history of the Romans
and the Greeks, and you understand how...
435
00:37:22,334 --> 00:37:25,374
terrifying it was for them
to be alive at that point.
436
00:37:25,534 --> 00:37:28,534
When all these... When Rome was...
437
00:37:29,174 --> 00:37:30,894
It seemed like it would last forever,
438
00:37:31,054 --> 00:37:34,014
and it was all powerful
and it was creating these...
439
00:37:34,534 --> 00:37:37,654
Terrible conditions for people
across the Mediterranean.
440
00:37:37,814 --> 00:37:39,414
Do you think they were terrified...
441
00:37:48,654 --> 00:37:50,774
Hello, hun? Hello?
442
00:37:51,174 --> 00:37:52,174
Oh hi, hun.
443
00:37:54,654 --> 00:37:59,894
A little bit long.
I left a bit late today.
444
00:38:01,214 --> 00:38:03,734
How about you?
How is everything?
445
00:38:06,854 --> 00:38:07,854
Yeah, yeah.
446
00:38:26,934 --> 00:38:28,294
That's really weird.
447
00:38:35,734 --> 00:38:36,814
Oh, okay.
448
00:38:50,134 --> 00:38:51,934
Wow... yeah, yeah.
449
00:39:07,494 --> 00:39:08,574
Oh, right.
450
00:39:27,174 --> 00:39:30,414
Did you have someone next to you,
cramped in, or have your own seat?
451
00:39:31,534 --> 00:39:32,534
Oh, okay.
452
00:39:32,774 --> 00:39:35,334
You were on the aisle though,
weren't you?
453
00:39:41,134 --> 00:39:42,134
Yeah.
454
00:40:01,694 --> 00:40:04,294
Was your sister panicking?
Or she was okay?
455
00:40:09,854 --> 00:40:10,854
Yeah.
456
00:40:24,974 --> 00:40:26,814
Yeah, yeah, all that bullshit.
457
00:40:32,054 --> 00:40:33,774
And my mum? You saw my mum?
458
00:40:47,254 --> 00:40:51,014
Did she ask whether I was coming over?
I didn't call her today.
459
00:40:52,854 --> 00:40:53,854
Yeah.
460
00:41:00,614 --> 00:41:04,254
Did she remember me calling her yesterday?
461
00:41:10,294 --> 00:41:11,294
And your mum?
462
00:41:51,694 --> 00:41:54,814
Yeah... It's all psychological.
463
00:41:55,814 --> 00:41:56,814
Yeah.
464
00:42:02,174 --> 00:42:06,334
She's in that façade mode
where she can talk automatically.
465
00:42:09,654 --> 00:42:11,734
Did she know it was her birthday?
466
00:42:48,814 --> 00:42:52,334
What? Take her to Simone's
to see the new stuff?
467
00:43:03,774 --> 00:43:07,334
And the room you're in is okay,
everything okay there?
468
00:43:25,814 --> 00:43:28,134
Where are you going?
469
00:43:30,774 --> 00:43:32,294
The one in Jetty Road?
470
00:43:49,934 --> 00:43:52,854
Well we know what that's like.
471
00:43:55,374 --> 00:43:58,294
Oh, maybe. Maybe in another lifetime.
472
00:43:59,934 --> 00:44:01,334
Just almost.
473
00:44:02,894 --> 00:44:04,574
No, no, I do, I do.
474
00:44:04,694 --> 00:44:09,134
Barb called about Vu.
Apparently she's not really well.
475
00:44:10,454 --> 00:44:11,454
Yeah, yeah.
476
00:44:15,854 --> 00:44:17,814
Hang on. I've just got...
477
00:44:17,974 --> 00:44:20,014
I tried to call Tom today.
478
00:44:20,174 --> 00:44:22,934
This is him. I'll call you later.
479
00:44:23,094 --> 00:44:26,014
I'll talk to him and I'll call you later.
480
00:44:26,174 --> 00:44:28,214
How long are you going
to be in your room?
481
00:44:34,294 --> 00:44:36,374
I can talk a little bit longer,
he's gone.
482
00:44:40,294 --> 00:44:42,294
Barb was going to go and see...
483
00:44:43,174 --> 00:44:44,814
Barb was going to go
and see her tomorrow.
484
00:44:44,934 --> 00:44:49,814
But basically, she's saying how...
She texted Barb and said that...
485
00:44:49,974 --> 00:44:54,014
she might not be...
She might not last the week.
486
00:44:54,614 --> 00:44:58,454
He's back again. Alright, hun, I'll go.
I'll call you later.
487
00:44:59,454 --> 00:45:01,054
See you, okay, bye bye.
488
00:45:04,494 --> 00:45:06,134
Tom? Tom?
489
00:45:07,374 --> 00:45:10,814
Hi Tom. I tried to call you,
I saw you left a message.
490
00:45:10,974 --> 00:45:12,374
What's up, what's happening?
491
00:45:16,254 --> 00:45:17,654
They got back to us?
492
00:45:27,014 --> 00:45:29,374
What do they want this time?
493
00:45:44,654 --> 00:45:48,414
What are they saying?
How much money do they want?
494
00:45:58,854 --> 00:46:03,254
What do they want?
But we agreed on a 50/50 split.
495
00:46:11,454 --> 00:46:13,574
And what, they want 30 grand from us?
496
00:46:22,014 --> 00:46:26,574
What? And if we don't agree,
what are they going to do?
497
00:46:34,974 --> 00:46:36,494
Yeah, I know.
498
00:46:36,934 --> 00:46:42,854
I am so over it... I really am,
really pissed off.
499
00:46:54,854 --> 00:46:58,814
Yeah, but it's going to cost a fortune.
It's going to take another year.
500
00:46:59,494 --> 00:47:02,494
It's been four years now...
Honestly...
501
00:47:03,894 --> 00:47:08,374
On one hand I'm tempted,
on the other hand... It's like my sister.
502
00:47:08,534 --> 00:47:11,454
Everything with my sister
has been a mess.
503
00:47:11,614 --> 00:47:12,894
Her whole life.
504
00:47:13,054 --> 00:47:18,494
It's like she's reaching out of the grave
to grab me. Just to make more stuff.
505
00:47:18,654 --> 00:47:20,054
I don't know.
506
00:47:22,534 --> 00:47:24,934
How much are they saying they want?
507
00:47:27,174 --> 00:47:31,534
But 30,000 off the price of the place,
if you split that half-half,
508
00:47:31,694 --> 00:47:32,974
that's 15...
509
00:47:33,134 --> 00:47:36,694
So they're 15 grand down.
510
00:47:37,614 --> 00:47:40,334
We just offer them 10.
511
00:47:42,174 --> 00:47:44,054
This is my mum's money.
512
00:47:45,494 --> 00:47:47,894
My mum has been in a home for two years.
513
00:47:48,054 --> 00:47:49,974
If I had had this money two years ago...
514
00:47:50,134 --> 00:47:54,134
This guy turns up out of nowhere,
claims he's the domestic partner.
515
00:47:54,854 --> 00:47:57,454
I'm taking backwards steps all the time.
516
00:47:57,614 --> 00:48:01,214
I'm agreeing to that, I'm agreeing to this.
Now if I give him another 10...
517
00:48:05,174 --> 00:48:09,494
Then my mum dies, and we get the money.
518
00:48:09,654 --> 00:48:15,454
And as much as I like you,
that's going to cost us 20, 30, 40...
519
00:48:16,574 --> 00:48:20,494
If I just offer them 10 grand.
Offer them 10 grand.
520
00:48:22,494 --> 00:48:23,894
If you could please.
521
00:48:24,054 --> 00:48:25,894
Just write to them, just say...
522
00:48:27,534 --> 00:48:28,934
Make no admissions.
523
00:48:29,774 --> 00:48:31,854
I did everything right...
524
00:48:32,014 --> 00:48:34,334
I just got that place,
there was nothing...
525
00:48:34,494 --> 00:48:36,174
There was nothing I did wrong.
526
00:48:40,814 --> 00:48:42,454
I did everything in preparation.
527
00:48:42,614 --> 00:48:45,054
I didn't know he was going
to turn up and make a claim.
528
00:48:45,214 --> 00:48:47,974
Offer them 10 grand
and see what they say,
529
00:48:48,134 --> 00:48:49,574
and 10 to 1 we won't...
530
00:48:51,214 --> 00:48:53,614
Just to settle the whole thing.
Alright, alright.
531
00:48:57,254 --> 00:48:58,254
No.
532
00:49:04,934 --> 00:49:06,734
Okay. Thanks, Tom.
533
00:49:08,134 --> 00:49:09,494
Let me know.
534
00:49:10,174 --> 00:49:11,894
Yeah, thanks, bye. See ya.
535
00:49:50,174 --> 00:49:52,974
...about $89 per square metre, when...
536
00:49:53,134 --> 00:49:56,254
it had been valued at 1600,
537
00:49:56,414 --> 00:49:59,854
- and they made a 37% profit...
- Yep.
538
00:50:00,014 --> 00:50:02,454
You know, the industry average
is about 20%, so...
539
00:50:02,614 --> 00:50:05,534
Francis from Castlemaine sums it up
with her text message...
540
00:50:05,694 --> 00:50:08,934
Do join in, 0437-931-931,
and Francis says:
541
00:50:09,094 --> 00:50:11,734
"Never get between a property developer
and a quick buck".
542
00:50:11,894 --> 00:50:14,534
Now William, what do you think
of this new announcement?
543
00:50:15,414 --> 00:50:18,854
Ah, look Jon,
I'm... devastated actually.
544
00:50:21,974 --> 00:50:23,974
I'm sure the government
has good intents,
545
00:50:24,134 --> 00:50:29,094
but the way they've framed this...
is just gonna be bad for public tenants.
546
00:50:29,254 --> 00:50:31,494
In what way, what happens to you?
547
00:50:32,334 --> 00:50:33,894
Well for us it means, apart...
548
00:50:34,054 --> 00:50:36,974
We'll have to move away
for a number of years and
549
00:50:37,134 --> 00:50:39,934
it's going to destroy
a pretty good community
550
00:50:40,094 --> 00:50:41,774
that we've managed to develop.
551
00:50:41,934 --> 00:50:44,854
Sure, it's neglected. But...
552
00:50:45,014 --> 00:50:47,774
a lot of different races,
with a lot of different people with...
553
00:51:01,214 --> 00:51:05,054
What about your day today?
You ended up going to the Family Court?
554
00:51:05,694 --> 00:51:06,894
No, not today.
555
00:51:09,654 --> 00:51:10,974
Office day.
556
00:51:12,574 --> 00:51:14,014
I had to see a client and...
557
00:51:16,094 --> 00:51:17,614
draft some documents.
558
00:51:21,934 --> 00:51:22,934
I don't know.
559
00:51:23,294 --> 00:51:25,334
Why did you choose law?
560
00:51:25,814 --> 00:51:26,854
So late?
561
00:51:27,254 --> 00:51:29,694
Oh, because, because...
562
00:51:32,214 --> 00:51:34,254
I don't know. Why did you?
563
00:51:35,454 --> 00:51:36,534
Yeah, I don't know.
564
00:51:37,694 --> 00:51:40,174
You did it straight from school,
didn't you?
565
00:51:44,814 --> 00:51:46,414
- Yeah...
- Did you do anything in between?
566
00:51:46,454 --> 00:51:50,014
- Nah, I didn't...
- Did you have years off or anything?
567
00:51:50,574 --> 00:51:51,574
I had a year off...
568
00:51:51,734 --> 00:51:54,214
But you're a little bit older
than the normal graduate.
569
00:51:55,374 --> 00:51:57,014
How long have you been out?
570
00:51:58,614 --> 00:52:00,054
I've been out about three years.
571
00:52:00,214 --> 00:52:03,054
So what did you do in between?
572
00:52:04,414 --> 00:52:05,814
You're 31...
573
00:52:06,374 --> 00:52:07,934
So you would have come out at 28.
574
00:52:08,094 --> 00:52:10,534
But you should have come out at 24.
575
00:52:10,974 --> 00:52:13,334
So where are the missing five years?
576
00:52:14,294 --> 00:52:15,294
Four years.
577
00:52:16,574 --> 00:52:19,454
The degree, I took it a bit slower.
578
00:52:19,934 --> 00:52:23,654
Then I had a year off before,
and took a bit of time off before work.
579
00:52:25,294 --> 00:52:27,294
What did you do in the year off?
580
00:52:28,534 --> 00:52:30,094
I lived overseas.
581
00:52:30,854 --> 00:52:31,854
Whereabouts?
582
00:52:33,134 --> 00:52:36,854
A little bit in London
and a bit in the States.
583
00:52:38,534 --> 00:52:41,054
- Whereabouts in America?
- You were in the States, weren't you?
584
00:52:41,094 --> 00:52:42,414
Yeah, a couple of years.
585
00:52:43,894 --> 00:52:46,854
- But whereabouts?
- New York.
586
00:52:48,134 --> 00:52:49,134
That's nice.
587
00:52:49,534 --> 00:52:52,014
Did you live on Manhattan,
or what did you do?
588
00:52:52,214 --> 00:52:53,454
No, in Brooklyn.
589
00:52:54,294 --> 00:52:55,294
Did you work?
590
00:52:55,934 --> 00:52:57,494
Yeah, but it was just bar work.
591
00:53:05,734 --> 00:53:06,774
Where were you?
592
00:53:07,494 --> 00:53:11,694
A place called Riverside,
near Los Angeles.
593
00:53:13,134 --> 00:53:14,814
That was back in the '90s.
594
00:53:15,174 --> 00:53:16,174
What were you doing?
595
00:53:16,614 --> 00:53:18,094
I was a scientist.
596
00:53:19,614 --> 00:53:22,814
- Is there a university there?
- Yeah, the University of California.
597
00:53:26,334 --> 00:53:28,734
- Lecturing?
- No, research.
598
00:53:29,814 --> 00:53:32,734
Your mum's something,
or your dad's something, isn't he?
599
00:53:32,894 --> 00:53:35,414
- A bit like your dad, I guess.
- He is, yeah.
600
00:53:35,574 --> 00:53:37,174
Well they're both academics.
601
00:53:40,054 --> 00:53:41,214
How was that?
602
00:53:41,334 --> 00:53:44,854
It was okay, although Cheri
didn't like living over there.
603
00:53:45,374 --> 00:53:46,734
Was she working over there?
604
00:53:46,894 --> 00:53:49,614
She tried to get some work.
605
00:53:51,334 --> 00:53:55,054
They're a little bit anal over there.
They really are.
606
00:53:56,494 --> 00:53:59,334
She had a visa through my visa.
607
00:53:59,494 --> 00:54:02,054
There's a long story
of why it didn't work.
608
00:54:03,334 --> 00:54:05,894
Maybe she didn't try hard enough.
I don't know.
609
00:54:06,054 --> 00:54:08,294
It's still a touchy subject with us.
610
00:54:08,454 --> 00:54:10,094
It just didn't work for us.
611
00:54:10,494 --> 00:54:12,574
And I think we were both homesick.
612
00:54:14,374 --> 00:54:16,414
There's no place like home, David.
613
00:54:17,614 --> 00:54:20,734
- How long were you there for?
- I was there for two years.
614
00:54:21,854 --> 00:54:24,534
But I spent a good year of that by myself.
615
00:54:25,014 --> 00:54:26,014
Why?
616
00:54:26,854 --> 00:54:29,814
Cheri had a good job.
She kept going and coming back.
617
00:54:30,094 --> 00:54:31,694
Working, and then flying back.
618
00:54:34,214 --> 00:54:36,414
I was stuck there of course,
so I just would work.
619
00:54:36,574 --> 00:54:39,334
I'd come home occasionally
for short holidays.
620
00:54:40,134 --> 00:54:42,574
She had options to come back and work.
621
00:54:44,134 --> 00:54:45,334
What was she doing?
622
00:54:46,054 --> 00:54:49,454
At that stage what was she doing?
623
00:54:51,814 --> 00:54:55,534
Marketing and publicity
and all that sorta stuff.
624
00:54:57,934 --> 00:55:01,654
I think she was...
She was doing that with...
625
00:55:02,734 --> 00:55:06,534
arts companies and so on.
She was doing really well.
626
00:55:08,614 --> 00:55:12,054
- Is she still doing that?
- No, no.
627
00:55:13,494 --> 00:55:17,294
Things have gone a little bit odd,
or different.
628
00:55:17,454 --> 00:55:19,254
Off on another tangent.
629
00:55:19,414 --> 00:55:21,934
She got not well a while back.
630
00:55:22,094 --> 00:55:23,814
- Oh, really?
- Yeah.
631
00:55:27,334 --> 00:55:29,134
She's okay now, but you know...
632
00:55:35,054 --> 00:55:36,054
Okay.
633
00:55:37,134 --> 00:55:38,134
Yeah.
634
00:55:43,334 --> 00:55:46,094
She likes to think of herself
as retired now.
635
00:55:49,254 --> 00:55:53,214
But I think she's probably looking
for something to engage. I don't know.
636
00:55:57,414 --> 00:56:01,494
- In the same area?
- No, all that's passed.
637
00:56:03,254 --> 00:56:06,614
When you fall out of something,
you don't get back into it that quickly.
638
00:56:07,094 --> 00:56:11,174
You're only as good as...
yesterday's wrapper.
639
00:56:11,334 --> 00:56:12,734
You know what it's like.
640
00:56:12,854 --> 00:56:15,854
Especially when you get older,
it's hard to get back in.
641
00:56:16,014 --> 00:56:18,374
The younger, prettier things come in...
642
00:56:18,534 --> 00:56:20,054
Especially in that field.
643
00:56:20,414 --> 00:56:22,494
Marketing, publicity.
644
00:56:22,814 --> 00:56:25,334
It's all about...
645
00:56:28,214 --> 00:56:30,174
It's all about what you look like.
646
00:56:31,814 --> 00:56:35,214
And the world has changed too.
You've got social media, and...
647
00:56:35,374 --> 00:56:38,614
Facebook. The whole bunch.
I mean we're talking...
648
00:56:39,094 --> 00:56:40,934
It was a different world back then.
649
00:56:54,774 --> 00:56:57,294
And I don't think Cheri
is that driven to re...
650
00:57:00,774 --> 00:57:05,734
re-train... I don't think she's really
that overwhelmed with...
651
00:57:05,894 --> 00:57:09,294
So there's... Get a little bit more money,
for what? You know...
652
00:57:15,854 --> 00:57:18,334
But we all know there are
reasons why we work.
653
00:57:18,494 --> 00:57:21,574
It's a social interaction,
as much as anything else.
654
00:57:22,774 --> 00:57:26,774
Or the desire to do something
vaguely worthwhile.
655
00:57:32,374 --> 00:57:34,454
I mean I sometimes wonder why...
656
00:57:39,494 --> 00:57:41,894
It's different for me as it is for you.
657
00:57:42,054 --> 00:57:45,214
I came to this work much later than you.
658
00:57:45,334 --> 00:57:48,294
Already I had a life behind me.
659
00:57:50,094 --> 00:57:52,334
On one hand I can say I can enjoy it more.
660
00:57:52,494 --> 00:57:57,574
On the other hand I've left my run
to wherever I'm going
661
00:57:57,734 --> 00:57:59,214
to too late.
662
00:58:01,654 --> 00:58:04,174
You've got so much potential,
in what you do.
663
00:58:04,334 --> 00:58:05,974
You shouldn't be trapped here.
664
00:58:06,854 --> 00:58:10,534
Go to the bar.
Do different things. You'll be fine.
665
00:58:12,174 --> 00:58:16,934
Don't get caught up in the rubbish.
666
00:58:33,614 --> 00:58:36,094
Stay single, stay away from the women.
667
00:58:37,774 --> 00:58:41,294
Relationships are not easy, David.
668
00:58:42,414 --> 00:58:44,134
No relationship is easy.
669
00:58:46,814 --> 00:58:48,614
You have to work at it.
670
00:58:50,494 --> 00:58:53,174
And it can go so quickly.
671
00:59:07,214 --> 00:59:09,254
My goodness me.
672
00:59:09,974 --> 00:59:12,454
You can't capture that.
673
00:59:16,974 --> 00:59:18,534
It's not in focus.
674
01:00:09,894 --> 01:00:11,494
Smells so nice and new.
675
01:00:11,654 --> 01:00:14,214
Nice new car.
I only got it last week.
676
01:00:15,094 --> 01:00:17,174
Same car, different colour.
677
01:00:22,934 --> 01:00:24,374
Why'd you upgrade?
678
01:00:24,534 --> 01:00:26,494
We do so many kilometres.
679
01:00:28,214 --> 01:00:33,174
We tend to rattle them into the ground.
680
01:00:35,534 --> 01:00:38,334
It's better to replace every two years.
681
01:00:39,014 --> 01:00:42,934
By the time we do depreciation,
and all of that.
682
01:00:43,094 --> 01:00:45,894
And driving a non-rattly car.
683
01:00:46,054 --> 01:00:48,654
Even if we spend a lot of money
on a fancy car,
684
01:00:50,654 --> 01:00:53,094
and kept it for five years,
about the same money,
685
01:00:53,254 --> 01:00:56,694
but it would be falling apart
by the time...
686
01:00:57,494 --> 01:01:00,094
by the time we traded it in.
687
01:01:00,254 --> 01:01:03,574
- It just works out.
- Was the red your choice?
688
01:01:03,734 --> 01:01:06,694
No, not my first choice.
689
01:01:07,414 --> 01:01:10,534
I prefer a grey or a black.
690
01:01:11,134 --> 01:01:12,774
But you know, they had two...
691
01:01:12,934 --> 01:01:14,574
But we have manuals so...
692
01:01:15,134 --> 01:01:19,014
They had a blue and a red
manual in Australia.
693
01:01:19,334 --> 01:01:20,574
Can you believe that?
694
01:01:20,734 --> 01:01:21,854
And...
695
01:01:22,134 --> 01:01:27,654
So we went for the red, which is a pretty
common car if you look around.
696
01:01:28,254 --> 01:01:30,574
In fact, there's a red car there.
697
01:01:30,734 --> 01:01:34,294
They're about one in every eight,
I reckon.
698
01:01:35,934 --> 01:01:38,654
There's another red car over there,
so they're a popular car.
699
01:01:38,814 --> 01:01:41,094
Not that that's a reason to buy it.
700
01:01:41,254 --> 01:01:43,494
- We're pretty happy with it.
- Not one in every eight.
701
01:01:43,654 --> 01:01:45,534
I reckon it's one in every eight.
702
01:01:46,374 --> 01:01:48,734
You have a look.
703
01:01:49,014 --> 01:01:51,414
I'll just call my mum, as usual.
704
01:01:52,374 --> 01:01:54,574
And then we'll...
705
01:01:56,054 --> 01:01:57,454
Ah yeah, sure.
706
01:02:01,894 --> 01:02:04,814
He cramped himself up not to let us in.
707
01:02:05,814 --> 01:02:08,494
He waved, what was that wave for?
708
01:02:16,654 --> 01:02:18,134
She's not looking at me.
709
01:02:19,814 --> 01:02:20,814
Thank you.
710
01:02:21,854 --> 01:02:25,254
And there's another red car, David,
just came up behind.
711
01:02:25,414 --> 01:02:26,614
Lots of red cars.
712
01:02:28,334 --> 01:02:29,654
I'll just get my mum.
713
01:02:41,494 --> 01:02:45,534
Hi, this is Andrew Rakowski,
I'm calling my mum, Inge.
714
01:02:50,694 --> 01:02:51,934
Is she okay?
715
01:02:59,814 --> 01:03:03,414
If she's okay.
What... She fell out of bed?
716
01:03:05,814 --> 01:03:06,854
Okay.
717
01:03:08,654 --> 01:03:11,494
Has the doctor seen her?
718
01:03:16,494 --> 01:03:18,374
Alright. Okay.
719
01:03:18,534 --> 01:03:22,254
If I can speak to her
that would be great, thanks.
720
01:03:25,334 --> 01:03:27,734
Hi Mutti, how are you? I hear you fell?
721
01:03:29,694 --> 01:03:30,934
And how are you?
722
01:03:34,694 --> 01:03:37,974
Next week, Mutti.
I'll probably be there...
723
01:03:38,134 --> 01:03:39,534
End of next week.
724
01:03:39,694 --> 01:03:44,054
No, no. But I saw you last week.
725
01:03:44,214 --> 01:03:45,974
So every two weeks.
726
01:03:52,014 --> 01:03:54,174
Okay, Mutti. Alright.
727
01:03:55,654 --> 01:03:58,094
Okay, alright. Bye bye.
728
01:04:01,454 --> 01:04:03,374
- My mum fell.
- Is she alright?
729
01:04:03,534 --> 01:04:06,734
Yeah, but she didn't really
want to talk to me.
730
01:04:08,014 --> 01:04:09,774
She's fallen a lot lately.
731
01:04:09,934 --> 01:04:13,014
They, I don't know...
Oh well, there's nothing I can do.
732
01:04:27,094 --> 01:04:28,694
Hi hun, it's just me.
733
01:04:30,614 --> 01:04:33,814
Okay. My mum just fell, but she's okay.
734
01:04:37,814 --> 01:04:40,534
Yeah, very briefly,
she didn't really want to talk to me.
735
01:04:42,174 --> 01:04:43,654
Yeah, nah she's fine.
736
01:04:45,574 --> 01:04:47,214
I'm okay, how are you?
737
01:04:49,294 --> 01:04:51,534
Did Monique turn up?
738
01:04:54,374 --> 01:04:56,454
And is everything going okay?
739
01:05:04,614 --> 01:05:05,774
The usual stuff.
740
01:05:07,174 --> 01:05:09,454
Any interesting discussions or anything?
741
01:05:12,294 --> 01:05:13,574
Not yet, no.
742
01:05:14,734 --> 01:05:18,734
I've got David with me, I won't...
I'm just giving David a lift home.
743
01:05:22,214 --> 01:05:23,214
Alright.
744
01:05:23,974 --> 01:05:27,214
In a little bit.
Okay, bye hun. See you later.
745
01:05:34,294 --> 01:05:35,734
Cool. Done.
746
01:05:39,254 --> 01:05:41,654
My sister-in-law has just come over.
747
01:05:42,134 --> 01:05:46,814
Because of what happened
the last couple of weeks.
748
01:05:47,174 --> 01:05:48,974
We've got her for five days.
749
01:05:49,654 --> 01:05:50,814
How is Cheri doing?
750
01:05:50,974 --> 01:05:53,534
She's okay. Cheri is fine.
751
01:05:53,694 --> 01:05:55,934
She gets a bit teary, but she's fine.
752
01:05:56,974 --> 01:06:00,214
The sister's going to be interesting...
It's going to be interesting having her...
753
01:06:01,854 --> 01:06:04,614
- Does she come to see you guys often?
- Never.
754
01:06:04,774 --> 01:06:06,654
The last time was about eight years ago.
755
01:06:07,054 --> 01:06:08,174
Then she went home and cried
756
01:06:08,294 --> 01:06:10,534
because we weren't looking after her,
to her mum.
757
01:06:10,694 --> 01:06:12,574
Completely different now
with the mum gone.
758
01:06:12,734 --> 01:06:15,014
Mum dominated the sister.
759
01:06:16,094 --> 01:06:20,414
And I think the sister is now looking
for someone to replace...
760
01:06:20,574 --> 01:06:23,214
She's been texting Cheri like crazy.
761
01:06:24,254 --> 01:06:26,534
You've got to feel sorry for her.
762
01:06:27,294 --> 01:06:30,814
- Her mum was a pretty dominant lady.
- Cheri's mum?
763
01:06:30,974 --> 01:06:34,534
Oh yeah. She had both daughters
under control.
764
01:06:35,814 --> 01:06:38,454
She had everybody under control,
including me.
765
01:06:40,374 --> 01:06:42,294
Well I mean, you know...
766
01:06:43,174 --> 01:06:46,134
Her mum was... she was a strange lady.
767
01:06:47,494 --> 01:06:50,974
She just was...
She had to control everything.
768
01:06:52,654 --> 01:06:55,974
And it was always competitive.
She was competitive with her daughters
769
01:06:56,134 --> 01:06:58,814
and she was competitive with anyone,
including me.
770
01:06:59,574 --> 01:07:00,574
What do you mean?
771
01:07:00,934 --> 01:07:03,374
Everything you said,
there was a competition in it.
772
01:07:03,574 --> 01:07:08,854
You had to either...
You had two choices, you could fight it.
773
01:07:09,014 --> 01:07:11,094
And try to...
774
01:07:11,494 --> 01:07:14,574
Try to win that little
bout of conversation.
775
01:07:14,734 --> 01:07:19,654
Or you went silent and gave up
and just let her have the floor.
776
01:07:20,214 --> 01:07:24,214
I ended up being quiet.
777
01:07:24,774 --> 01:07:29,334
My reputation was the silent one.
I used to be silent.
778
01:07:29,494 --> 01:07:33,494
Because I used to stand there...
There was no point in talking.
779
01:07:34,014 --> 01:07:37,134
And I love to talk,
but there was no point in talking.
780
01:07:39,174 --> 01:07:42,334
That went on for 20 years,
that's how it's always been.
781
01:07:43,734 --> 01:07:45,214
She was just dominant.
782
01:07:46,014 --> 01:07:48,054
- Did you get along though?
- Me?
783
01:07:48,214 --> 01:07:49,774
Yeah, outside of that?
784
01:07:50,734 --> 01:07:52,974
The last five or ten years,
I think I did.
785
01:07:53,134 --> 01:07:55,494
Once Cheri got ill and everything...
786
01:07:55,654 --> 01:07:59,054
I don't think she had
a good experience with men.
787
01:07:59,214 --> 01:08:01,054
Who knows?
It was just one of those...
788
01:08:02,294 --> 01:08:05,094
You had to let her have her space.
789
01:08:05,774 --> 01:08:10,294
And yet she was the nicest, meekest,
sweetest little old lady
790
01:08:11,014 --> 01:08:13,214
to outsiders.
791
01:08:13,374 --> 01:08:15,694
And it was quite telling at the service.
792
01:08:15,854 --> 01:08:18,454
Both daughters wanted to include
a fairly...
793
01:08:18,614 --> 01:08:23,214
If you listened very carefully to
the eulogy you would have heard...
794
01:08:23,374 --> 01:08:27,534
They said she was "this"
to the outside world
795
01:08:27,694 --> 01:08:31,054
and it sometimes was difficult
to the people closest to her.
796
01:08:31,214 --> 01:08:32,534
Tells you a lot...
797
01:08:32,694 --> 01:08:37,094
- Cheri said that?
- Her sister did the eulogy.
798
01:08:37,254 --> 01:08:41,614
Anyway, we've got her now until Sunday.
799
01:08:42,494 --> 01:08:45,854
Hopefully she goes back,
because if she doesn't I'll move out.
800
01:08:47,734 --> 01:08:51,214
- What are you going to do with her?
- Nothing really.
801
01:08:51,974 --> 01:08:54,534
Home cooked meals, nothing too fancy.
802
01:08:54,694 --> 01:08:56,774
She'll freak if she has to...
803
01:08:56,934 --> 01:09:00,974
She'll think we're teaching her
if we drag her anywhere...
804
01:09:01,494 --> 01:09:04,134
It always has happened in the past.
805
01:09:04,294 --> 01:09:08,814
I've learnt not to fight it,
just let it happen.
806
01:09:08,974 --> 01:09:10,934
And I said to Cheri, I'll remind her,
807
01:09:11,094 --> 01:09:13,574
any time I sense that
she's getting in a competition,
808
01:09:13,734 --> 01:09:17,894
I'll say something about an albatross
and she'll back off.
809
01:09:18,214 --> 01:09:19,694
We've got a code word.
810
01:09:21,134 --> 01:09:24,254
So I say, "I saw an albatross today"
or something like that.
811
01:09:24,374 --> 01:09:27,694
Seriously, we talked about it last night.
We have our strategy.
812
01:09:27,854 --> 01:09:30,734
We keep it all calm and nice and pleasant.
813
01:09:31,974 --> 01:09:34,774
- But anyway.
- What does the code word do though?
814
01:09:34,934 --> 01:09:37,454
It reminds Cheri that she's...
815
01:09:37,614 --> 01:09:41,014
unknowingly engaged in the competition,
816
01:09:41,854 --> 01:09:45,774
the debate, winning the floor
in the verbal argument.
817
01:09:45,934 --> 01:09:48,334
So she's the same as Cheri's mum?
818
01:09:48,494 --> 01:09:50,374
I guess so. Yeah.
819
01:09:50,534 --> 01:09:53,134
You learn from your parents, don't you?
820
01:09:54,174 --> 01:09:57,134
Cheri said then to me, "Am I like that?"
And I said:
821
01:09:57,294 --> 01:10:00,614
"You've been with me long enough
to get rid of bad habits".
822
01:10:03,134 --> 01:10:05,334
We've been together, so she has...
823
01:10:05,734 --> 01:10:08,414
We all adjust ourselves as well.
824
01:10:10,374 --> 01:10:14,014
- Cheri's not like that anymore?
- No.
825
01:10:15,134 --> 01:10:16,734
They're different.
826
01:10:16,894 --> 01:10:19,334
Are you like your brothers and sisters?
827
01:10:19,494 --> 01:10:21,694
We all must be similar.
828
01:10:23,254 --> 01:10:28,734
Horror to think I'm like my sister,
but I guess I must be in some way.
829
01:10:34,654 --> 01:10:36,654
But we do take after our parents.
830
01:10:37,814 --> 01:10:39,814
Maybe Cheri is more like her dad.
831
01:10:41,654 --> 01:10:43,614
Maybe her sister is more like her mum.
832
01:10:45,934 --> 01:10:50,414
I can really tell I'm like my mum.
My mum was talkative.
833
01:10:51,614 --> 01:10:52,734
Talkative...
834
01:10:54,294 --> 01:10:56,974
And then she'd lose interest
and move on to something else,
835
01:10:57,134 --> 01:10:58,614
and I tend to do that too.
836
01:11:00,894 --> 01:11:01,894
But anyway.
837
01:11:02,334 --> 01:11:04,134
And your dad wasn't like that?
838
01:11:04,294 --> 01:11:07,294
My dad has been dead for so long,
I can't remember.
839
01:11:07,454 --> 01:11:09,494
I don't know what my dad was like really.
840
01:11:10,574 --> 01:11:14,334
It's a terrible thing to say,
but I don't know what my dad was like.
841
01:11:14,494 --> 01:11:16,054
How old were you?
842
01:11:16,214 --> 01:11:19,574
He died 25 years ago.
843
01:11:19,734 --> 01:11:25,254
He was 51 when he had me,
so he died when he was 84.
844
01:11:25,854 --> 01:11:29,774
So he died old...
I always just remember him as an old guy.
845
01:11:31,414 --> 01:11:33,014
So he was a fair bit
older than your mum?
846
01:11:33,174 --> 01:11:34,934
Oh, yeah... Not that old.
847
01:11:38,734 --> 01:11:40,614
He wasn't a cradle snatcher.
848
01:11:40,774 --> 01:11:43,014
I think she was 15 years younger.
849
01:11:43,454 --> 01:11:44,894
Which is not a lot really.
850
01:11:46,214 --> 01:11:48,374
- Had he had a family?
- No.
851
01:11:48,534 --> 01:11:51,814
Well he had the war and all that.
He was in a prisoner of war camp.
852
01:11:52,214 --> 01:11:54,134
They met after the war.
853
01:11:55,054 --> 01:12:00,654
He was getting on,
and she was a young hospital physio.
854
01:12:00,814 --> 01:12:03,374
When he broke his leg
going skiing in the alps,
855
01:12:03,534 --> 01:12:05,654
before they chucked him out of Germany.
856
01:12:06,134 --> 01:12:11,334
You know, all those stories
from those European...
857
01:12:11,494 --> 01:12:16,814
The war shook it all up,
and all these people were left displaced.
858
01:12:19,774 --> 01:12:22,134
You know... My parents were lucky,
859
01:12:22,294 --> 01:12:26,174
they came out of the whole thing
relatively unscathed.
860
01:12:26,654 --> 01:12:32,414
Well my mum lost a lot of her family,
my dad's family lost everything in...
861
01:12:33,574 --> 01:12:35,414
in Poland.
862
01:12:35,574 --> 01:12:38,254
They were vaguely wealthy
and they lost everything.
863
01:12:39,134 --> 01:12:43,054
But lots of other people
came out of it mentally scarred.
864
01:12:43,214 --> 01:12:46,094
Losing every member of the family.
865
01:12:48,174 --> 01:12:50,054
It's just terrible. Anyway...
866
01:12:51,774 --> 01:12:54,094
So maybe your sister took after your dad?
867
01:12:54,494 --> 01:12:57,334
No, my sister had anxiety.
868
01:13:01,734 --> 01:13:07,174
And she developed... anorexia.
869
01:13:08,254 --> 01:13:09,854
When she was 12, 13.
870
01:13:10,014 --> 01:13:13,534
And then it developed
into bulimic tendencies.
871
01:13:13,694 --> 01:13:16,854
But it was basically anxiety,
which was never diagnosed.
872
01:13:17,014 --> 01:13:20,854
Anxiety has become a real thing
in the last...
873
01:13:22,014 --> 01:13:23,214
There's a red car!
874
01:13:24,094 --> 01:13:26,534
Not a very nice red.
And that's an Audi too.
875
01:13:26,694 --> 01:13:28,974
This is a much nicer red, a deeper red.
876
01:13:29,134 --> 01:13:32,254
- Your red or the Audi?
- Our red. That's a sickly red.
877
01:13:33,814 --> 01:13:34,974
I'd have to agree.
878
01:13:39,574 --> 01:13:43,574
- Yeah, I've been feeling pretty anxious...
- Because of...?
879
01:13:43,734 --> 01:13:46,694
I don't know, just work stuff.
Breakup.
880
01:13:47,374 --> 01:13:51,134
Well work's not doing either of us
any good at the moment.
881
01:13:57,534 --> 01:13:59,534
But you didn't have it,
just your sister?
882
01:13:59,694 --> 01:14:02,894
- Huh?
- You've never had an issue with it?
883
01:14:03,054 --> 01:14:05,254
I wouldn't say I've never
had an issue with it.
884
01:14:05,774 --> 01:14:08,574
I had OCD.
885
01:14:08,774 --> 01:14:10,614
- Right.
- When I was a kid.
886
01:14:14,294 --> 01:14:15,614
That's another story.
887
01:14:15,774 --> 01:14:20,254
I used to check lights,
and gas fittings and gates,
888
01:14:22,054 --> 01:14:23,334
and power switches.
889
01:14:24,374 --> 01:14:26,294
And my favourite number is three.
890
01:14:28,094 --> 01:14:30,494
- What is that...
- Don't worry.
891
01:14:31,214 --> 01:14:33,814
What's your anxiety? How does it manifest?
892
01:14:35,414 --> 01:14:37,974
- I don't know.
- Not sleeping?
893
01:14:38,854 --> 01:14:41,254
- Heart palpitations?
- Waking up early.
894
01:14:46,934 --> 01:14:49,934
I have people close to me
who have anxiety.
895
01:14:50,374 --> 01:14:52,174
Meaning... Yeah...
896
01:14:53,654 --> 01:14:56,334
It's the fear of dying
from the heart attack...
897
01:14:56,494 --> 01:14:58,174
that you're about to have?
898
01:14:58,494 --> 01:15:00,054
Is that the sort of stuff?
899
01:15:00,214 --> 01:15:01,334
My anxiety?
900
01:15:01,494 --> 01:15:04,334
- No, is it?
- I'm not sure.
901
01:15:13,654 --> 01:15:16,414
Well the funny thing was,
my sister before she died,
902
01:15:16,574 --> 01:15:18,734
she went to the heart specialist.
903
01:15:18,894 --> 01:15:21,774
And Cheri and I...
I was a bit mocking.
904
01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:24,814
Well not mocking... Not to her face.
I didn't have much contact with her.
905
01:15:24,974 --> 01:15:27,054
But I was like, "Oh, yeah..."
906
01:15:27,214 --> 01:15:31,294
And then she ends up dying.
Maybe from the heart, maybe not.
907
01:15:33,974 --> 01:15:37,414
I mean... I don't know.
I feel terrible when I say all that.
908
01:15:39,254 --> 01:15:42,294
But it's...
Maybe we live in an anxious world.
909
01:15:42,454 --> 01:15:45,494
Maybe everybody suffers from anxiety,
of one sort or another.
910
01:15:56,894 --> 01:16:00,654
The contrast between what our life
should be and what life's really like.
911
01:16:00,814 --> 01:16:02,814
Look around, it's all just crazy really.
912
01:16:04,774 --> 01:16:08,294
The commute, the work hours,
the pressures.
913
01:16:11,134 --> 01:16:15,134
Ah, green car!
Now green isn't popular apparently.
914
01:16:18,534 --> 01:16:20,534
- That's what they say anyway.
- Yeah.
915
01:16:21,894 --> 01:16:23,574
I think there's a reason for that.
916
01:16:23,734 --> 01:16:26,214
Well we've had two green cars,
917
01:16:26,374 --> 01:16:30,294
in our many two-yearly swap overs.
918
01:16:36,054 --> 01:16:39,134
You're going away on Wednesday,
aren't you, in a couple days?
919
01:16:39,294 --> 01:16:40,734
Yeah, I can't wait.
920
01:16:40,894 --> 01:16:44,294
- You're going to Berlin or someplace?
- Yep.
921
01:16:45,894 --> 01:16:49,774
It will be good to step back
and get away for a little while.
922
01:16:49,934 --> 01:16:52,494
- How long for?
- Three weeks.
923
01:16:53,374 --> 01:16:54,534
And why Berlin?
924
01:16:54,694 --> 01:16:56,574
I have friends over there.
925
01:16:58,254 --> 01:17:00,614
Have you been to Berlin?
926
01:17:00,894 --> 01:17:04,374
Years ago, when it was still divided.
927
01:17:06,654 --> 01:17:07,814
But no family there?
928
01:17:07,974 --> 01:17:13,814
No, I've got German family
in Düsseldorf. I've got...
929
01:17:14,614 --> 01:17:19,254
When I went over,
my German grandmother,
930
01:17:19,414 --> 01:17:21,134
my mum's mother, was still alive.
931
01:17:21,294 --> 01:17:25,054
And she was in her late-80s.
Nutty as a fruitcake.
932
01:17:25,214 --> 01:17:28,374
She was... she was...
Every time I...
933
01:17:28,534 --> 01:17:31,814
I was there for a weekend and every time
I dropped in to her home
934
01:17:31,974 --> 01:17:34,334
she was completely pissed.
935
01:17:34,494 --> 01:17:36,454
But she was okay.
936
01:17:36,614 --> 01:17:39,454
It was funny, when I went to Berlin,
937
01:17:40,014 --> 01:17:43,294
it was me and a friend,
I was travelling with a male friend.
938
01:17:43,454 --> 01:17:46,374
And we teamed up
with a young American girl.
939
01:17:46,854 --> 01:17:52,294
And we went across Checkpoint Charlie,
and you do all that money exchange stuff.
940
01:17:54,894 --> 01:17:58,134
Rather than do all the sites
around the tower.
941
01:17:58,294 --> 01:18:02,934
What's that?
Where the central television tower is?
942
01:18:03,094 --> 01:18:06,694
- Oh, Alexanderplatz.
- Yeah, there were some hotels.
943
01:18:06,854 --> 01:18:09,894
And we had to blow all our
East German Deutschmarks
944
01:18:10,054 --> 01:18:12,974
before we went back to the West.
945
01:18:13,134 --> 01:18:15,374
But we did wander out.
946
01:18:16,214 --> 01:18:17,814
And there was a real moment...
947
01:18:17,974 --> 01:18:21,094
One of those moments that stays
with you your whole life?
948
01:18:21,534 --> 01:18:26,734
Just a scene that imprints on your mind,
for whatever reason.
949
01:18:26,894 --> 01:18:30,894
We were standing at the corner,
looking at the grim buildings.
950
01:18:31,054 --> 01:18:33,134
And it was really grim.
951
01:18:34,054 --> 01:18:37,854
That Soviet style...
Apartment blocks and everything.
952
01:18:39,734 --> 01:18:41,574
There was...
I remember looking around,
953
01:18:41,734 --> 01:18:46,094
there was this little old German
"omi"... Grandmother.
954
01:18:46,254 --> 01:18:49,174
Same as my grandmother,
on the other side of the border.
955
01:18:49,334 --> 01:18:51,134
And she was just watching us.
956
01:18:51,294 --> 01:18:55,894
I remember our eyes caught,
there was some moment of something.
957
01:18:56,054 --> 01:19:00,134
It was just like she was looking at us...
And I was thinking, "That poor lady".
958
01:19:00,294 --> 01:19:03,654
She went through the First World War,
the Second World War.
959
01:19:04,774 --> 01:19:08,494
By that stage it was 1980 some time,
so she had...
960
01:19:08,854 --> 01:19:13,774
almost 35 years of Soviet oppression.
961
01:19:13,934 --> 01:19:16,854
And there we were in our Western clothes
962
01:19:17,014 --> 01:19:18,494
and our backpacks.
963
01:19:19,814 --> 01:19:23,254
There was a real difference
between the young people there.
964
01:19:23,414 --> 01:19:27,654
They looked really daggy,
that Soviet dagginess.
965
01:19:27,814 --> 01:19:31,414
You know, you can still sorta...
Are you familiar with that?
966
01:19:31,574 --> 01:19:34,214
They just were daggy basically.
967
01:19:34,374 --> 01:19:38,454
From the West you were much more modern,
Adidas shoes and all that stuff.
968
01:19:38,614 --> 01:19:41,654
- Anyway.
- You just looked at her?
969
01:19:41,814 --> 01:19:45,014
- It was just looking?
- Yeah, it was just a moment.
970
01:19:45,174 --> 01:19:47,774
I was 21, 22, 23.
971
01:19:47,934 --> 01:19:51,334
And why I had a moment
of contact with this...
972
01:19:51,494 --> 01:19:54,934
80-something year old
grey-haired German woman.
973
01:19:55,574 --> 01:19:57,974
Maybe I read too much into it,
but anyway, I don't know...
974
01:19:58,134 --> 01:20:02,054
It's just one of those moments that
I always remember with Berlin.
975
01:20:02,534 --> 01:20:06,494
It's the only thing I really remember
about being in Berlin.
976
01:20:07,614 --> 01:20:08,614
But anyway.
977
01:20:10,534 --> 01:20:13,214
I would love to go back one day but...
978
01:20:13,374 --> 01:20:15,574
No holidays for a while now.
979
01:20:15,934 --> 01:20:17,454
Well with my mum still...
980
01:20:32,734 --> 01:20:36,814
- So dinner tonight with Cheri's sister?
- Yeah, keep it really nice and simple.
981
01:20:37,174 --> 01:20:40,494
Chicken pie. Tomorrow, roast lamb.
982
01:20:41,334 --> 01:20:44,054
Nothing foreign, nothing challenging.
983
01:20:45,894 --> 01:20:47,414
She wouldn't eat it otherwise.
984
01:20:50,014 --> 01:20:53,534
And she'd think it's a plot by
either me or Cheri to...
985
01:20:53,974 --> 01:20:56,334
to convert her.
986
01:21:02,254 --> 01:21:04,094
She'd wake up in the morning...
987
01:21:04,254 --> 01:21:07,934
She'd wake up in the morning
a different person or something...
988
01:21:10,574 --> 01:21:11,574
What do you mean?
989
01:21:11,734 --> 01:21:16,174
I don't know why those people are so...
990
01:21:16,334 --> 01:21:20,254
They like what they like
and they don't want to be challenged.
991
01:21:21,934 --> 01:21:24,334
And again, it's that whole
competitive thing.
992
01:21:24,494 --> 01:21:28,374
If you're trying to flog off something
that they're not familiar with,
993
01:21:28,534 --> 01:21:31,134
and they consume it or eat it or do it,
994
01:21:31,294 --> 01:21:34,934
then in essence, you've won.
Do you know what I mean?
995
01:21:35,094 --> 01:21:38,334
You've got to win the floor on each issue.
996
01:21:38,494 --> 01:21:40,294
So... It's just not worth the battle.
997
01:21:41,014 --> 01:21:44,934
We talked about it and decided
we're going to keep it real simple.
998
01:21:51,334 --> 01:21:54,094
I know it sounds horrible what I say,
999
01:21:54,254 --> 01:21:57,574
but we've been there before,
she was really upset, when we...
1000
01:21:57,734 --> 01:22:01,294
I got into trouble for trying to
make her eat prawns or something...
1001
01:22:01,454 --> 01:22:03,454
Then she said she was allergic,
and I said:
1002
01:22:03,614 --> 01:22:06,454
"No, because you've already
had them, and...
1003
01:22:06,854 --> 01:22:11,054
"Just because you don't..."
I don't know, people get hysterical.
1004
01:22:12,374 --> 01:22:13,374
Anyway.
1005
01:22:16,174 --> 01:22:17,814
You're in the office tomorrow then?
1006
01:22:20,894 --> 01:22:23,254
- Just tidying up?
- Yeah, tidy things up.
1007
01:22:24,894 --> 01:22:26,094
Can't wait.
1008
01:22:33,894 --> 01:22:37,174
Are you looking for a little
holiday romance?
1009
01:22:41,974 --> 01:22:45,214
I guess I'll be open to...
1010
01:22:47,134 --> 01:22:48,854
whatever comes my way.
1011
01:22:58,214 --> 01:23:01,614
I need to take a step back,
have a break from Melbourne.
1012
01:23:08,014 --> 01:23:09,734
I understand that completely.
1013
01:23:18,214 --> 01:23:21,494
I have to say,
the two weeks I was away,
1014
01:23:21,894 --> 01:23:23,894
the whole thing with Cheri's mum.
1015
01:23:26,494 --> 01:23:30,974
Even though what was happening
was tragic, or sad,
1016
01:23:31,134 --> 01:23:34,414
it was still good to be away from
this environment.
1017
01:23:34,574 --> 01:23:39,774
From work, from Marie, from the whole
stupidity of the whole thing.
1018
01:23:48,214 --> 01:23:51,734
Well I guess you weren't particularly
close to Cheri's mum.
1019
01:23:51,894 --> 01:23:54,174
I've known her for many years, but look...
1020
01:23:54,334 --> 01:23:58,494
Dementia is a cruel, cruel disease.
1021
01:23:58,654 --> 01:24:02,214
She had an odd form of dementia.
1022
01:24:03,814 --> 01:24:05,574
Where she couldn't...
1023
01:24:06,094 --> 01:24:09,014
My mum's dementia,
she can't remember who she is,
1024
01:24:09,174 --> 01:24:11,294
but she remembers what she is.
1025
01:24:11,454 --> 01:24:16,294
Meaning she can go to the toilet,
she can eat, she can sit in the chair.
1026
01:24:16,854 --> 01:24:19,374
Cheri's mum had a form of dementia
1027
01:24:19,534 --> 01:24:22,134
where she just forgot what she was.
1028
01:24:22,294 --> 01:24:24,534
She remembered who she was.
1029
01:24:25,214 --> 01:24:27,614
Meaning, "I'm so and so".
1030
01:24:27,774 --> 01:24:32,894
And, "That's my daughter", and so on.
And, "You're my daughter's husband".
1031
01:24:33,054 --> 01:24:37,094
But she couldn't remember, for instance,
how to eat.
1032
01:24:37,894 --> 01:24:39,454
How to go to the toilet.
1033
01:24:41,614 --> 01:24:44,094
Think of how cruel that is. Not only...
1034
01:24:44,814 --> 01:24:49,374
She was forgetting things,
but she also knew she wasn't remembering
1035
01:24:50,374 --> 01:24:53,454
how to do things that she knew
she should have done.
1036
01:24:53,614 --> 01:24:54,974
Her life became...
1037
01:24:56,934 --> 01:24:58,694
Her life became horrible actually.
1038
01:25:00,734 --> 01:25:04,694
- There was an awareness?
- I reckon, yeah.
1039
01:25:05,094 --> 01:25:08,494
She was aware she couldn't,
and she should have.
1040
01:25:08,654 --> 01:25:12,814
I remember about five, six,
seven weeks ago, we took her out.
1041
01:25:12,974 --> 01:25:14,254
I was in Adelaide.
1042
01:25:14,414 --> 01:25:17,774
And she couldn't work out
how to get into a car.
1043
01:25:18,174 --> 01:25:22,534
How to sit in a car.
Think about it, we do it quite seamlessly.
1044
01:25:22,694 --> 01:25:26,294
We position ourselves,
we lower ourselves with our...
1045
01:25:26,454 --> 01:25:29,654
our bodies, we lift our legs in,
and so on.
1046
01:25:30,574 --> 01:25:33,014
And she couldn't remember how to do it.
1047
01:25:33,174 --> 01:25:38,014
And to try to explain it...
It was like, really sad to watch Cheri
1048
01:25:39,134 --> 01:25:42,414
try to understand it, what we do,
and then try to explain it to her mum.
1049
01:25:42,574 --> 01:25:43,974
It was just terrible.
1050
01:25:46,534 --> 01:25:50,534
And she was a pretty competent...
1051
01:25:51,494 --> 01:25:54,054
individual, until this hit her.
1052
01:25:54,214 --> 01:25:57,214
So in many ways I was just sitting there
thinking, "Look..."
1053
01:25:59,734 --> 01:26:00,734
You know.
1054
01:26:02,534 --> 01:26:05,574
My mum on the other hand is fine.
She's got dementia,
1055
01:26:05,734 --> 01:26:09,694
but she's happy where she is.
She's comfortable where she is.
1056
01:26:11,254 --> 01:26:13,174
Alright, maybe she doesn't...
1057
01:26:13,814 --> 01:26:16,094
Maybe her memory is like, about
1058
01:26:17,014 --> 01:26:18,214
20 seconds...
1059
01:26:19,134 --> 01:26:22,574
If you say something,
she'll just repeat it.
1060
01:26:22,734 --> 01:26:25,294
She's on a short loop.
1061
01:26:26,734 --> 01:26:30,334
But she's still happy,
she'll smile, she'll laugh.
1062
01:26:33,614 --> 01:26:37,014
Maybe I'm making excuses
for why I don't go back more often.
1063
01:26:37,174 --> 01:26:40,294
Because I think they're looking after her,
I think she's happy.
1064
01:26:45,894 --> 01:26:47,294
But she's falling down.
1065
01:26:47,454 --> 01:26:50,694
Well, yeah I mean...
Obviously things are changing as well.
1066
01:26:59,214 --> 01:27:02,454
Look I don't know how long my mum's got,
I'm now thinking...
1067
01:27:02,614 --> 01:27:05,374
how quickly it happened to Cheri's mum.
1068
01:27:08,214 --> 01:27:10,934
- But what do I do?
- That seemed to happen so quickly.
1069
01:27:11,094 --> 01:27:12,334
Yeah, it did.
1070
01:27:13,334 --> 01:27:17,094
But what do I do, go over and live,
and what?
1071
01:27:17,254 --> 01:27:19,494
Wait and sit and watch?
1072
01:27:20,494 --> 01:27:23,014
What benefit is it...
1073
01:27:23,174 --> 01:27:24,174
Oh, bugger.
1074
01:27:26,254 --> 01:27:28,534
What do we want, we want...
1075
01:27:28,694 --> 01:27:32,854
- I reckon one over.
- Nah, I think we're stuck.
1076
01:27:34,974 --> 01:27:36,094
Nothing we can do.
1077
01:27:39,534 --> 01:27:43,374
What benefit is it I sit there,
and spend my life sitting there,
1078
01:27:43,534 --> 01:27:45,094
to make her happier?
1079
01:27:45,254 --> 01:27:47,414
If I'm out of her life,
1080
01:27:48,054 --> 01:27:50,294
she's...
1081
01:27:50,454 --> 01:27:55,174
She's occupied, watches "Andre Areer",
or whatever his name is...
1082
01:27:56,054 --> 01:27:59,094
On TV, they have it on all the time,
or Elvis Presley.
1083
01:27:59,254 --> 01:28:01,734
And she sits there
and she seems quite happy.
1084
01:28:01,894 --> 01:28:07,094
When I'm there it's just a reminder
of things gone and lost.
1085
01:28:07,974 --> 01:28:12,254
Again, maybe I'm just making
myself feel better.
1086
01:28:18,494 --> 01:28:21,854
Your parents are young aren't they,
they're quite young?
1087
01:28:24,134 --> 01:28:26,934
- Mid-60s.
- Oh yeah, they've got a long way to go.
1088
01:28:27,454 --> 01:28:29,854
My mum's 95, I mean she's not...
1089
01:28:34,774 --> 01:28:37,134
She's... you know...
1090
01:29:20,934 --> 01:29:23,694
I mean I don't even know whether my mum
remembers whether I'm there.
1091
01:29:23,854 --> 01:29:26,454
I can say I've been there
and she'll go, "Oh, okay".
1092
01:29:27,814 --> 01:29:29,494
I mean... it sounds cruel doesn't it?
1093
01:29:30,614 --> 01:29:33,374
But when you speak to her on the phone,
she knows it's you?
1094
01:29:33,534 --> 01:29:36,334
Yeah, and when I'm there
she knows it's me.
1095
01:29:36,934 --> 01:29:40,774
But she doesn't remember when she
last spoke to me
1096
01:29:41,254 --> 01:29:42,934
or when I was last there.
1097
01:29:43,094 --> 01:29:44,574
I mean she thinks...
1098
01:29:45,054 --> 01:29:49,174
For a long while with my sister,
she used to say, "Where's Jacqueline?"
1099
01:29:49,334 --> 01:29:52,454
And I'd say, "She passed away. She died".
1100
01:29:52,614 --> 01:29:55,574
And then I'd be sitting there
1101
01:29:56,014 --> 01:29:57,894
while she said, "Died..."
1102
01:29:58,054 --> 01:30:00,374
And we'd have to go through
the whole thing again.
1103
01:30:00,534 --> 01:30:03,054
And then she'd cry,
and I'd just sit there.
1104
01:30:03,214 --> 01:30:06,654
So now I all say is,
"She came and say you last week",
1105
01:30:06,814 --> 01:30:10,174
or, "She's coming on Saturday".
Makes her happy.
1106
01:30:10,734 --> 01:30:13,574
And then she'll say, "Have you
spoken to her?" And I'll say, "Oh, yeah".
1107
01:30:13,734 --> 01:30:16,814
So my sister's actually going to visit
my mum more often than I am.
1108
01:30:17,654 --> 01:30:22,214
In my mum's mind. I guess...
Is that far from reality, you know?
1109
01:31:34,774 --> 01:31:36,174
Who are you flying with?
1110
01:31:36,934 --> 01:31:40,214
- Qatar.
- Oh, okay, via Doha?
1111
01:31:46,494 --> 01:31:48,814
- Just economy?
- Yeah.
1112
01:32:38,214 --> 01:32:42,494
...the reality is we've got major issues
with climate change across the board.
1113
01:32:42,654 --> 01:32:45,774
Temperatures rising,
drought which is a consequence of this.
1114
01:32:45,974 --> 01:32:47,654
We've got a whole range
of things going on,
1115
01:32:47,774 --> 01:32:50,094
yet he talks about
bringing in a lump of coal.
1116
01:32:50,254 --> 01:32:53,534
We've got Adani out there, that moved
their capital base offshore,
1117
01:32:53,694 --> 01:32:57,254
to the Caribbean, so we've got
to question their ethics and morality.
1118
01:32:57,414 --> 01:33:01,014
He's got no idea what's going on.
We're gonna be facing massive drought,
1119
01:33:01,174 --> 01:33:04,814
massive consequences, irrigation problems,
farmers going bankrupt,
1120
01:33:04,974 --> 01:33:07,374
and he's just sitting there
talking about being "leader".
1121
01:33:07,534 --> 01:33:09,774
He's more concerned about
himself than the country.
1122
01:33:09,934 --> 01:33:12,414
You can't shut down coal
overnight though, can you?
1123
01:33:12,574 --> 01:33:15,174
There's too many people
who depend on it, too many...
1124
01:33:15,334 --> 01:33:17,014
I mean there's billions of dollars,
1125
01:33:17,174 --> 01:33:20,094
there's thousands of jobs
and billions of exports.
1126
01:33:20,614 --> 01:33:23,254
But we had people in this country
who have led in the past,
1127
01:33:23,414 --> 01:33:24,734
who have actually developed things
1128
01:33:24,774 --> 01:33:27,254
and moved things along
and invested in the future.
1129
01:33:27,414 --> 01:33:31,574
Scott's living in past technology,
he's not prepared to invest in Australia.
1130
01:33:31,774 --> 01:33:34,214
If you look at the reality,
you've got changes in technology,
1131
01:33:34,374 --> 01:33:37,334
you could go solar for a lot of this,
move to battery back-ups.
1132
01:33:37,494 --> 01:33:40,934
We could look at the hydrogen technology
that's coming out around the place.
1133
01:33:41,094 --> 01:33:44,094
This country's got so much potential,
provided we had some leadership
1134
01:33:44,254 --> 01:33:47,414
that could actually deal with that
and start to re-structure our industry.
1135
01:33:47,574 --> 01:33:49,934
But what do you do about the people
who lose their jobs? I mean we just
1136
01:33:49,974 --> 01:33:52,094
- shut down the car industry.
- I'm not suggesting we do it rapidly,
1137
01:33:52,134 --> 01:33:54,214
but I'm suggesting we need
a progressive policy.
1138
01:33:54,374 --> 01:33:56,294
The Kyoto Protocol
and us meeting our targets
1139
01:33:56,454 --> 01:33:57,854
is a load of rubbish with him.
1140
01:33:58,134 --> 01:34:00,174
He thinks we're going to meet
our targets, we're not,
1141
01:34:00,214 --> 01:34:03,654
we're way behind and going backwards
rapidly, he's denying that...
1142
01:34:03,814 --> 01:34:06,614
Well, I mean, if you make
these sorts of changes,
1143
01:34:06,774 --> 01:34:08,494
and I agree with you,
the rest of the world,
1144
01:34:08,574 --> 01:34:11,054
by and large has moved on,
while Australia is, you know...
1145
01:34:11,214 --> 01:34:13,094
we're becoming a bit of an outlier...
1146
01:34:13,494 --> 01:34:16,054
China's still opening up new coal mines,
1147
01:34:16,214 --> 01:34:19,934
India's still dependent on coal,
we supply it, it creates wealth,
1148
01:34:20,094 --> 01:34:24,054
it creates prosperity, it props up
your super fund probably, Leslie, so...
1149
01:34:24,174 --> 01:34:27,974
You know, we've got to take
all of that into account, don't we?
1150
01:34:28,214 --> 01:34:31,134
We do have to take it into account,
but it takes a bit of time and effort
1151
01:34:31,294 --> 01:34:32,854
to put some of that structure in place.
1152
01:34:32,974 --> 01:34:35,294
If you spend some time and effort
on the forward planning,
1153
01:34:35,454 --> 01:34:37,974
like we've had with previous people
and previous prime ministers
1154
01:34:38,054 --> 01:34:41,214
who have thought about these things
with a greater depth of understanding,
1155
01:34:41,374 --> 01:34:44,254
then actually end up with getting
a solution that runs for the country.
1156
01:34:44,414 --> 01:34:47,094
And we need someone who can lead
and develop a bipartisan approach
1157
01:34:47,254 --> 01:34:49,494
so it won't be just one
government doing it.
1158
01:34:49,654 --> 01:34:52,094
It's not going to be a quick change
but we do need that change
1159
01:34:52,214 --> 01:34:55,534
and we've got a government at the moment
that seems to be more concerned
1160
01:34:55,694 --> 01:34:58,494
about their own investments
than what the future holds.
1161
01:34:58,654 --> 01:35:02,134
But the reality is that our future
is dependent on our climate
1162
01:35:02,494 --> 01:35:04,854
and our climate needs
to be managed effectively,
1163
01:35:05,014 --> 01:35:07,334
and it doesn't matter
whether it's Australia or not,
1164
01:35:07,494 --> 01:35:09,174
we need to step up to the mark.
1165
01:35:09,334 --> 01:35:13,334
We've batted above our weight
in a lot of other industries,
1166
01:35:13,654 --> 01:35:16,334
why can't we take the forefront
lead in this issue
1167
01:35:16,494 --> 01:35:19,014
and start to talk about it
openly around the world?
1168
01:35:19,174 --> 01:35:22,894
Our neighbours will be drowning
from the consequences of climate change,
1169
01:35:23,054 --> 01:35:25,214
Fiji and the islands offshore,
1170
01:35:25,374 --> 01:35:28,294
and yet we're sitting here,
exporting a commodity,
1171
01:35:28,454 --> 01:35:30,694
where we're going to need
to provide them with aid...
1172
01:35:30,854 --> 01:35:33,734
This is not appropriate.
This requires leadership
1173
01:35:33,894 --> 01:35:37,054
and a humanitarian approach.
He prophecises to be a Christian,
1174
01:35:37,214 --> 01:35:40,214
but he doesn't appear to have
a very Christian attitude to other people.
1175
01:35:40,374 --> 01:35:42,974
Good to get your views on it, Leslie,
and thank you for your call.
1176
01:35:43,094 --> 01:35:45,934
Next up Gillian from Hawthorn.
Good afternoon, Gillian.
1177
01:35:46,414 --> 01:35:47,494
Hi Jon, hi.
1178
01:35:47,654 --> 01:35:50,934
Now coal, yes or no?
And should we be persisting
1179
01:35:51,094 --> 01:35:56,334
with our current mix of climate policies
and energy policies for Australia?
1180
01:35:57,974 --> 01:36:01,614
Well... I just think, Jon,
and it's really upsetting me,
1181
01:36:01,774 --> 01:36:03,934
I just think that...
It's really upsetting
1182
01:36:04,094 --> 01:36:08,374
that politicians think that they
know better than scientists all the time.
1183
01:36:08,534 --> 01:36:13,014
I feel like we're at a stage now,
where the...
1184
01:36:13,174 --> 01:36:17,894
the knowledge that scientists
have accrued is just being rebuked
1185
01:36:18,054 --> 01:36:22,054
and not being taken seriously,
and that concerns me...
1186
01:37:45,934 --> 01:37:47,734
Ta, you're very good to me.
1187
01:37:49,094 --> 01:37:51,094
- But I can't see what I'm doing.
- Oh, sorry.
1188
01:37:52,814 --> 01:37:54,614
Go away, go away.
1189
01:39:02,054 --> 01:39:05,054
There's lots of monarch
butterflies as well.
1190
01:39:30,894 --> 01:39:33,454
A big emu or something
has walked through here.
1191
01:39:58,094 --> 01:40:00,494
- There are lots of emu tracks.
- Yeah?
1192
01:40:30,974 --> 01:40:33,854
Isn't that amazing? From the rain,
1193
01:40:34,014 --> 01:40:36,774
everywhere you walk
there's little native violets.
1194
01:40:36,934 --> 01:40:38,534
I'll have a look in a minute.
1195
01:40:44,174 --> 01:40:46,414
If you focus your eye on it,
the whole ground
1196
01:40:46,574 --> 01:40:48,654
is just little purple dots everywhere.
1197
01:42:11,454 --> 01:42:15,374
...one hour, stuck in traffic,
and allowing an extra hour...
1198
01:42:16,454 --> 01:42:19,534
I have to allow an extra hour, or two,
1199
01:42:19,694 --> 01:42:23,814
because if there is even one small
bumper-to-bumper tail end collision,
1200
01:42:23,974 --> 01:42:25,134
no one's hurt...
1201
01:42:25,294 --> 01:42:28,774
That blocks a lane, that means
we can sit then for another two hours.
1202
01:42:28,934 --> 01:42:31,174
- That is not fun.
- No it's not, not at all.
1203
01:42:31,334 --> 01:42:36,174
Fiona, I've got a full board of calls,
I better get a wriggle on, 1300-931-931,
1204
01:42:36,334 --> 01:42:39,734
and more texts, 0437-931-931.
1205
01:42:39,974 --> 01:42:44,414
Shirley in the western suburbs says:
"I'm sick of hearing about the inner city,
1206
01:42:44,574 --> 01:42:46,654
"all they ever do is talk
about themselves,
1207
01:42:46,814 --> 01:42:49,014
"have they any idea
what it's like out this way?"
1208
01:42:49,174 --> 01:42:50,654
Larry, good afternoon.
1209
01:42:51,054 --> 01:42:54,534
Hello Jon, yes good afternoon,
thanks for taking my call.
1210
01:42:54,974 --> 01:42:56,694
Yeah, I'm interested in this...
1211
01:43:11,134 --> 01:43:13,894
Hi, can I have Banksia Ward please?
1212
01:43:16,774 --> 01:43:17,774
Thank you.
1213
01:43:33,014 --> 01:43:35,974
Hi, can I speak to my mum,
1214
01:43:36,134 --> 01:43:39,614
Inga Rakowski, room 32, please.
1215
01:43:39,774 --> 01:43:41,614
I'm her son.
1216
01:43:48,014 --> 01:43:49,534
Okay, thanks.
1217
01:44:24,294 --> 01:44:27,174
How has she been today, how was she?
1218
01:44:39,174 --> 01:44:41,134
Is she... Yeah, I know.
1219
01:44:41,334 --> 01:44:44,574
Is she feeling... Is she better today?
1220
01:45:08,454 --> 01:45:13,014
Yeah, don't wake her, that's fine.
I'll try again tomorrow.
1221
01:45:17,734 --> 01:45:22,374
If you could let her know her son called,
that would be great.
1222
01:45:23,454 --> 01:45:26,814
Alright, thanks a lot.
Bye bye, see ya.
1223
01:47:20,974 --> 01:47:22,454
Hi hun, it's just me.
1224
01:47:24,054 --> 01:47:25,654
I'm okay, where were you?
1225
01:47:29,614 --> 01:47:30,614
Oh, okay.
1226
01:47:31,334 --> 01:47:32,894
My mum's still not any better,
1227
01:47:33,054 --> 01:47:36,054
she was asleep, so I didn't
get a chance to talk to her.
1228
01:47:36,894 --> 01:47:38,574
So that, yeah...
1229
01:47:40,734 --> 01:47:45,574
Nah, I got the usual stuff
about her being old and so on...
1230
01:47:45,974 --> 01:47:48,414
It's probably good we're going next week.
1231
01:47:50,294 --> 01:47:51,974
I'll be able to drop in or something.
1232
01:47:55,494 --> 01:47:56,494
How are you?
1233
01:48:08,054 --> 01:48:11,214
Freeway seems to be okay,
40 minutes or so.
1234
01:48:14,374 --> 01:48:17,334
But how was your day, stuff like that?
1235
01:48:21,654 --> 01:48:23,054
Alright, okay.
1236
01:48:24,574 --> 01:48:26,494
Okay, bye bye, see you.
1237
01:49:53,014 --> 01:49:54,814
Are you taking time off before?
1238
01:49:55,614 --> 01:49:58,014
Yeah, took Monday, Tuesday
and Wednesday off next week.
1239
01:49:58,174 --> 01:50:00,214
- Can you just take that over there?
- Sure.
1240
01:50:01,814 --> 01:50:04,014
But you've done a lot of study
beforehand haven't you?
1241
01:50:04,694 --> 01:50:06,774
Yeah, the last couple months.
1242
01:50:06,934 --> 01:50:08,654
Didn't take any time off though.
1243
01:50:12,894 --> 01:50:14,374
Do you reckon you'll pass?
1244
01:50:15,494 --> 01:50:18,854
I don't know, I hope so,
I don't want to do that study again.
1245
01:50:33,574 --> 01:50:34,814
I've just gotta...
1246
01:50:35,454 --> 01:50:37,654
I've just gotta get some petrol.
1247
01:50:39,494 --> 01:50:42,934
We're going to Adelaide tonight,
on the way to Adelaide anyway.
1248
01:50:43,374 --> 01:50:46,654
- Tonight?
- Yeah, my mum's not too good.
1249
01:50:48,094 --> 01:50:50,854
She stopped eating, taking fluids.
1250
01:50:52,014 --> 01:50:53,454
So we want to go over.
1251
01:50:54,374 --> 01:50:57,734
- She stopped today?
- No, about two days ago.
1252
01:51:00,854 --> 01:51:02,134
And what are they saying?
1253
01:51:02,294 --> 01:51:05,574
Well they say about five, six,
seven days if she doesn't pick up.
1254
01:51:05,734 --> 01:51:07,334
They don't last that long.
1255
01:51:07,494 --> 01:51:10,934
They don't take fluids,
and that is what probably does them in.
1256
01:51:11,094 --> 01:51:12,974
Dehydration and that sort of stuff.
1257
01:51:13,494 --> 01:51:16,774
So we're going to go to Horsham,
and stay the night and then go on.
1258
01:51:18,614 --> 01:51:21,454
We'll drive about four hours tonight
when we get home.
1259
01:51:27,054 --> 01:51:31,214
- You guys have a place in Horsham?
- Yeah, I've mentioned it before.
1260
01:51:32,414 --> 01:51:36,814
We bought it to go to Adelaide,
that's what we're using it for.
1261
01:51:36,974 --> 01:51:40,094
We went so often for the mums.
1262
01:51:40,574 --> 01:51:44,894
We'd go halfway...
I'll just go to the petrol station here.
1263
01:51:45,614 --> 01:51:50,894
It's nice, turned out to be more of what
we enjoy than going to Adelaide.
1264
01:51:53,254 --> 01:51:57,814
It's a house on a fair bit of land,
we lease out the land to a farmer.
1265
01:51:57,974 --> 01:52:01,934
- So it's not in Horsham town?
- No, it's outside.
1266
01:52:02,334 --> 01:52:04,294
About halfway between here and there.
1267
01:52:05,134 --> 01:52:07,454
- Between here and Adelaide?
- Adelaide, yeah.
1268
01:52:08,614 --> 01:52:10,774
It's about a four hours' drive,
so it's a fair old way.
1269
01:52:10,934 --> 01:52:12,614
I've just got to get petrol.
1270
01:52:12,774 --> 01:52:16,254
How much land is there?
1271
01:52:16,414 --> 01:52:18,814
About a thousand acres,
it's quite nice.
1272
01:52:21,854 --> 01:52:23,934
I've got some videos,
if you want to have a look.
1273
01:52:24,094 --> 01:52:27,614
I took a video the other day...
Get my iPad out of my bag.
1274
01:52:28,534 --> 01:52:30,614
Open up to Photos, go to Videos.
1275
01:52:30,774 --> 01:52:34,934
Let's just have a quick look.
There's nothing on it that...
1276
01:52:35,094 --> 01:52:36,094
Here we are.
1277
01:52:39,654 --> 01:52:42,374
Where are Videos? There's Videos.
1278
01:52:42,814 --> 01:52:45,574
Which one did I do last week?
1279
01:52:45,734 --> 01:52:47,214
That one, have a look at that one.
1280
01:52:47,334 --> 01:52:50,934
You can have a look at a few other things
if you want, I'll just get some petrol.
1281
01:53:21,294 --> 01:53:22,294
Whatcha doing?
1282
01:53:22,894 --> 01:53:24,334
I'm picking roses.
1283
01:53:26,454 --> 01:53:29,014
- What are you doing?
- Just taking a video.
1284
01:53:29,894 --> 01:53:32,534
- And why are you doing that?
- Because I can.
1285
01:53:33,494 --> 01:53:34,774
They're lovely this year.
1286
01:53:34,934 --> 01:53:37,734
I'm trying to work out
which ones to take home.
1287
01:53:39,374 --> 01:53:40,854
Take some smelly ones.
1288
01:53:41,014 --> 01:53:43,534
- Huh?
- Ones that have nice smell.
1289
01:53:49,694 --> 01:53:51,134
Flies are really bad.
1290
01:53:51,294 --> 01:53:52,694
The flies are terrible.
1291
01:53:55,574 --> 01:53:58,374
A lot of these are already
past their use-by date.
1292
01:53:59,134 --> 01:54:01,774
Well no, you know,
but by the time you get them home...
1293
01:54:02,654 --> 01:54:05,494
They'll be... They'll be...
1294
01:54:06,854 --> 01:54:10,294
- Which ones?
- RSL ones. But already their buds...
1295
01:54:10,614 --> 01:54:12,454
I could take those buds I suppose.
1296
01:54:45,534 --> 01:54:46,854
- Are you coming?
- I'm coming.
1297
01:54:47,014 --> 01:54:50,894
They said that they are... right.
1298
01:54:52,054 --> 01:54:55,814
In your mum's mind,
she's dreamt, or whatever,
1299
01:54:55,974 --> 01:54:59,934
that you've said you're coming,
and no matter how many times
1300
01:55:00,094 --> 01:55:04,414
you, me, the nurses, staff...
1301
01:55:12,134 --> 01:55:16,454
No one can tell my mum that
she's not seeing things.
1302
01:55:16,614 --> 01:55:18,854
She's right, and we're all wrong.
1303
01:55:19,254 --> 01:55:23,334
Even the fact that we're all saying,
1304
01:55:23,494 --> 01:55:25,894
"No, there's no people
climbing up poles".
1305
01:55:27,734 --> 01:55:30,814
She won't even rationalise that,
"Maybe there is something wrong with me,
1306
01:55:30,974 --> 01:55:33,974
"Because everybody's saying there's no
people climbing up poles,
1307
01:55:35,054 --> 01:55:38,534
"so maybe I am seeing things".
She can't even do that.
1308
01:55:40,774 --> 01:55:43,054
Oh you've got all this on tape,
me ranting, have you?
1309
01:55:43,214 --> 01:55:46,214
No it's good because I'll listen to it
and I'll think about
1310
01:55:46,374 --> 01:55:49,734
how difficult it was, and how we
went over and over
1311
01:55:49,894 --> 01:55:52,374
to justify everything,
1312
01:55:52,534 --> 01:55:56,934
you know, the feeling of distress.
1313
01:55:58,934 --> 01:56:00,294
I don't know.
1314
01:56:02,534 --> 01:56:03,774
It's just crap.
1315
01:56:05,494 --> 01:56:08,134
Careful here, tread in
the middle here, okay?
1316
01:56:09,494 --> 01:56:11,334
Don't tread on the edge.
1317
01:56:14,014 --> 01:56:16,974
Tread here.
I almost flicked myself up.
1318
01:56:18,774 --> 01:56:19,974
Where my foot is.
1319
01:56:20,894 --> 01:56:24,094
You can tread on the edge there,
and then tread there, you'll be right.
1320
01:56:25,654 --> 01:56:31,534
And you've done it, you've trodden
exactly where I said don't tread.
1321
01:56:33,534 --> 01:56:34,974
Which one you looking at?
1322
01:56:36,654 --> 01:56:38,854
- How does, how do you do it?
- Oh, god.
1323
01:56:39,774 --> 01:56:42,654
That's all my mum's stuff,
after she went into the home.
1324
01:56:43,254 --> 01:56:44,934
That's in the shed up there.
1325
01:56:46,934 --> 01:56:49,494
Oh end it, end it, end it.
1326
01:56:49,654 --> 01:56:52,494
I'll show you my mum.
1327
01:57:00,254 --> 01:57:02,134
This one, you'll see her here.
1328
01:57:05,374 --> 01:57:07,094
No, I'm not particularly interested.
1329
01:57:12,054 --> 01:57:14,854
She's in the home there.
You can hear "Areer", "Andre Areer",
1330
01:57:15,014 --> 01:57:19,054
they all sit in front of that.
It's revolting.
1331
01:57:20,094 --> 01:57:22,174
Almost a stereotype, a cliché.
1332
01:57:29,494 --> 01:57:31,614
She's speaking German.
1333
01:57:34,694 --> 01:57:36,694
- You understand German?
- Yeah, yeah.
1334
01:57:37,774 --> 01:57:40,694
- What's she saying?
- "Are you sleeping here?", "No".
1335
01:57:41,574 --> 01:57:44,174
- "Where are you sleeping?"
- I'm flying back now, soon.
1336
01:57:44,734 --> 01:57:46,654
We're flying back in a minute.
1337
01:57:47,934 --> 01:57:49,574
We're going home today, yeah.
1338
01:57:53,934 --> 01:57:55,174
"Do you live in Adelaide?"
1339
01:58:02,454 --> 01:58:06,214
That shed's now full of my sister's gear.
1340
01:58:06,894 --> 01:58:08,774
Cause you know my sister...
1341
01:58:08,934 --> 01:58:13,894
- Which shed?
- The shed up there you saw it before.
1342
01:58:14,334 --> 01:58:17,334
There's a photo of my sister's
place too there.
1343
01:58:17,694 --> 01:58:19,894
Where abouts is it?
Let me have a look, David.
1344
01:58:20,774 --> 01:58:23,614
Which one is it? I think it's taken...
1345
01:58:23,774 --> 01:58:25,574
Here we are, take a look at that one.
1346
01:58:25,734 --> 01:58:28,894
This was taken after I'd cleaned it out.
1347
01:58:29,054 --> 01:58:31,814
Took out all the cupboards.
1348
01:58:33,094 --> 01:58:34,214
It was a mess.
1349
01:58:34,374 --> 01:58:38,254
That was her kitchen,
I took out everything that had rotted out.
1350
01:58:40,654 --> 01:58:42,694
Because I...
1351
01:58:45,934 --> 01:58:48,694
She passed away, at that spot.
1352
01:58:49,774 --> 01:58:51,774
And I took this in order protect myself.
1353
01:58:51,934 --> 01:58:55,574
Because I knew the other guy
might say I'd done too much.
1354
01:58:55,734 --> 01:58:57,534
But all I did was clean it out.
1355
01:58:58,014 --> 01:59:00,534
But in the end they said
that I had vandalised it
1356
01:59:00,694 --> 01:59:02,014
and I had to pay ten grand.
1357
01:59:02,174 --> 01:59:04,574
Can you believe it?
Completely ridiculous.
1358
01:59:06,014 --> 01:59:08,014
This state is what you found it in?
1359
01:59:08,174 --> 01:59:11,174
No, I had cleaned it out, ready to...
1360
01:59:12,574 --> 01:59:15,094
Look at it, it's fine.
What happened there?
1361
01:59:16,814 --> 01:59:19,894
But I wasn't going to argue,
there's no point in arguing that stuff.
1362
01:59:23,334 --> 01:59:24,654
Anyway, put it away.
1363
01:59:27,574 --> 01:59:30,734
So that's it, so hopefully she'll...
Who knows what will happen?
1364
01:59:32,614 --> 01:59:36,214
It's probably not going to be great,
but we'll see.
1365
01:59:37,454 --> 01:59:38,854
What's not going to be great?
1366
01:59:39,014 --> 01:59:41,894
My mum, I don't reckon
she'll go beyond...
1367
01:59:42,334 --> 01:59:44,214
Beyond another week or so.
1368
01:59:46,494 --> 01:59:48,974
Which is a pity, but I guess it's...
1369
01:59:58,014 --> 02:00:00,134
- Giving Cheri a call?
- No.
1370
02:00:00,294 --> 02:00:04,134
She knows I'm coming home,
I said that you were catching a lift.
1371
02:00:04,894 --> 02:00:07,014
She's fine, she's just getting ready.
1372
02:00:07,174 --> 02:00:10,494
She's at work actually, she won't
get home... What time is it? 5:18.
1373
02:00:10,654 --> 02:00:12,854
She won't get home for another
half an hour anyway.
1374
02:00:13,454 --> 02:00:16,054
She got some work, which was...
1375
02:00:17,814 --> 02:00:20,254
- Which was good.
- Yeah, that's great.
1376
02:00:22,734 --> 02:00:26,254
- How long, just temporary stuff?
- Yeah, just three days a week.
1377
02:00:27,974 --> 02:00:33,174
With a local arts company.
A friend of hers, remembered her from...
1378
02:00:33,614 --> 02:00:36,574
five, six, seven, eight,
don't know how many years.
1379
02:00:36,734 --> 02:00:39,174
Is this where I go?
I don't go this way normally.
1380
02:00:40,014 --> 02:00:42,334
- No, next one.
- Yeah, I reckon Forster.
1381
02:00:45,654 --> 02:00:49,134
It's good, it's been good for her.
She's really...
1382
02:00:49,814 --> 02:00:52,454
She's a bit more cheerful,
I think it's good.
1383
02:00:52,614 --> 02:00:53,814
Work's good.
1384
02:00:54,774 --> 02:00:56,254
Gives you a focus,
1385
02:00:57,214 --> 02:00:59,054
takes your mind off of other stuff.
1386
02:01:00,294 --> 02:01:03,814
These are my sister's.
Bollés, I found them in her stuff.
1387
02:01:03,974 --> 02:01:05,574
Aren't they fancy?
1388
02:01:05,734 --> 02:01:08,654
Most expensive pair of sunglasses
I've ever owned.
1389
02:01:11,214 --> 02:01:13,894
- Are they women's sunnies?
- Are they? I don't know.
1390
02:01:14,574 --> 02:01:16,974
I'm told they make me look very European.
1391
02:01:18,694 --> 02:01:19,974
You like them?
1392
02:01:20,134 --> 02:01:21,414
Yeah, not bad.
1393
02:01:21,934 --> 02:01:25,294
They probably are female sunnies,
but male, female, I don't know.
1394
02:01:25,454 --> 02:01:27,174
- Are they?
- I don't know.
1395
02:01:28,014 --> 02:01:29,334
Now you've got me worried.
1396
02:01:43,294 --> 02:01:46,054
I imagine it's going to be
an interesting week ahead.
1397
02:01:54,854 --> 02:01:57,374
And I don't mean "interesting"
in a good way.
1398
02:02:11,134 --> 02:02:12,814
Cheri's taking time off work?
1399
02:02:12,974 --> 02:02:16,774
Yeah, it's only part-time,
so she can shift around her days.
1400
02:02:17,214 --> 02:02:20,294
And she'll fly back maybe, I don't know,
we haven't really thought through it.
1401
02:02:20,414 --> 02:02:22,614
We don't really know...
We'll go over...
1402
02:02:23,334 --> 02:02:27,414
We'll get there tomorrow afternoon,
we'll be able to judge it pretty quickly.
1403
02:02:27,574 --> 02:02:30,774
If she starts eating, it will be all okay.
1404
02:02:30,934 --> 02:02:34,334
And be delayed for another month, or week,
or year, or whatever.
1405
02:02:37,894 --> 02:02:40,374
I've squared it up with Marie, she's fine.
1406
02:02:40,894 --> 02:02:42,854
With that sort of stuff she's pretty good.
1407
02:02:45,174 --> 02:02:49,014
What do you do, what's the land like?
I couldn't tell on those videos.
1408
02:02:49,454 --> 02:02:50,454
Flat.
1409
02:02:52,614 --> 02:02:53,654
What's growing?
1410
02:02:54,734 --> 02:02:57,294
That video was pea.
1411
02:02:58,374 --> 02:03:01,854
They grow pea. It's a bit short
because it's been a dry season.
1412
02:03:03,854 --> 02:03:06,774
- But who grows the pea?
- The farmer, we lease it out.
1413
02:03:09,174 --> 02:03:12,374
He grows pea, he grows barley, lupins.
1414
02:03:14,254 --> 02:03:16,854
What else does he grow? Lentils.
1415
02:03:18,134 --> 02:03:19,134
Chickpea.
1416
02:03:21,374 --> 02:03:24,854
The one time he grew chickpea,
we had a bad season.
1417
02:03:25,014 --> 02:03:26,934
All very weather dependent.
1418
02:03:28,774 --> 02:03:30,134
He doesn't live there though?
1419
02:03:30,294 --> 02:03:32,094
No, he lives in town.
1420
02:03:32,934 --> 02:03:35,094
He's an old guy.
1421
02:03:38,054 --> 02:03:41,014
He's got a few things wrong with him,
it's amazing he just keeps going.
1422
02:03:42,654 --> 02:03:44,574
But he's got a bloke,
he's got his son-in-law,
1423
02:03:44,734 --> 02:03:47,734
they run a little farming business.
1424
02:03:48,214 --> 02:03:51,134
And we're just one of their plots.
1425
02:03:58,574 --> 02:03:59,814
Yeah, it looked nice.
1426
02:04:01,094 --> 02:04:03,134
- Should come up one day.
- Yeah.
1427
02:04:05,254 --> 02:04:07,294
How long does it take
you guys to get there?
1428
02:04:07,454 --> 02:04:09,574
Four hours.
Take about four hours.
1429
02:04:12,294 --> 02:04:13,894
Does Cheri do any of the driving?
1430
02:04:14,214 --> 02:04:18,894
No... Well yeah, look...
No I'll probably drive, she...
1431
02:04:19,494 --> 02:04:21,374
I like to drive.
1432
02:04:21,974 --> 02:04:24,374
I like to drive in the city,
I like to drive...
1433
02:04:24,654 --> 02:04:26,134
I just like to drive.
1434
02:04:31,174 --> 02:04:34,174
- This car has cruise control, yeah?
- Yeah, yeah.
1435
02:04:46,814 --> 02:04:48,694
Come on, I don't like traffic.
1436
02:04:49,414 --> 02:04:50,934
What's holding us up?
1437
02:04:52,374 --> 02:04:55,294
I'm a bit impatient,
I just don't want to be delayed today.
1438
02:05:11,174 --> 02:05:13,294
What are you going to do if
you don't pass the exam?
1439
02:05:17,214 --> 02:05:20,254
I don't know, it's starting to get
a little funny with Marie.
1440
02:05:21,934 --> 02:05:23,654
I really hope I pass, Andrew.
1441
02:05:24,334 --> 02:05:25,374
And if not?
1442
02:05:26,654 --> 02:05:28,894
I might have to start
looking for something else.
1443
02:05:34,094 --> 02:05:36,214
I don't reckon I've got long there too.
1444
02:05:39,174 --> 02:05:41,414
I need to shake things up,
I can't just keep doing this
1445
02:05:41,574 --> 02:05:43,734
day in, day out.
Pointless.
1446
02:05:45,094 --> 02:05:48,254
God the traffic's terrible, isn't it?
I saw 25 minutes.
1447
02:05:48,414 --> 02:05:49,494
Oh, dear.
1448
02:05:51,494 --> 02:05:54,174
- 25 to... Kings Way?
- To Kings Way, yeah.
1449
02:05:54,334 --> 02:05:56,534
Let alone up over the Bolte.
1450
02:06:17,534 --> 02:06:19,094
You can have a look at more if you want.
1451
02:06:19,134 --> 02:06:21,414
Where's the iPad,
did you put it back in my bag?
1452
02:06:21,574 --> 02:06:24,894
You can have a look at more if you want.
I don't mind, I mean there's nothing...
1453
02:06:25,054 --> 02:06:28,414
I tend to not take people,
I tend to take things.
1454
02:06:29,014 --> 02:06:31,694
Landscapes, the photos, I don't know
whether there's anything there.
1455
02:06:31,814 --> 02:06:33,694
Have a look, you'll see
there's some stuff.
1456
02:06:34,254 --> 02:06:37,414
Oh that's videos.
There's some drone shots there too.
1457
02:06:38,214 --> 02:06:40,774
Got a drone,
which I mentioned a while back.
1458
02:06:41,174 --> 02:06:42,214
They're pretty cool.
1459
02:06:44,934 --> 02:06:48,054
- More of your mum.
- Yeah, more of my mum, yeah.
1460
02:06:49,094 --> 02:06:51,054
What's that one? That's the lake.
1461
02:06:51,214 --> 02:06:52,534
That's a boring one.
1462
02:07:01,854 --> 02:07:02,934
What's that one?
1463
02:07:04,334 --> 02:07:07,654
That's the garden,
you can see Cheri there.
1464
02:07:07,814 --> 02:07:09,414
Where is she? Is she there?
1465
02:07:09,574 --> 02:07:10,614
Stand up, hun.
1466
02:07:12,014 --> 02:07:13,414
She won't appreciate that.
1467
02:07:14,374 --> 02:07:17,014
- Just say hello to the video.
- Hi, video.
1468
02:07:17,374 --> 02:07:18,374
Look at me.
1469
02:07:18,574 --> 02:07:21,734
Hang on, I can't get up
and down that easily.
1470
02:07:26,094 --> 02:07:28,414
Okay, I'm just gonna
go walk to the drive.
1471
02:07:28,934 --> 02:07:33,694
My stool's cool, but when I have
to kneel for a while and then get up...
1472
02:07:34,694 --> 02:07:36,254
The ground is really wet.
1473
02:07:36,614 --> 02:07:38,454
That would have been a year ago or so.
1474
02:07:39,294 --> 02:07:41,934
The flies are out, so wasn't this year.
1475
02:07:42,094 --> 02:07:43,614
There's our old car.
1476
02:07:45,094 --> 02:07:46,774
Probably two years ago.
1477
02:07:48,014 --> 02:07:49,014
Three maybe.
1478
02:07:51,454 --> 02:07:54,414
Turn the sound down,
I don't like the sound of my voice.
1479
02:07:55,534 --> 02:07:58,374
I don't mind watching it,
I don't want to hear me.
1480
02:07:58,774 --> 02:08:00,774
That's the driveway. See that's barley.
1481
02:08:00,934 --> 02:08:02,454
- That's barley?
- Yeah, that's barley.
1482
02:08:02,574 --> 02:08:03,894
That's looking down the drive.
1483
02:08:04,734 --> 02:08:06,534
- Yeah, looks beautiful.
- Yeah, it's lovely.
1484
02:08:06,694 --> 02:08:08,774
The drive's 800 metres, so it's nice.
1485
02:08:13,974 --> 02:08:15,694
Is the lake out that way?
1486
02:08:15,854 --> 02:08:18,974
The lake is on the other side
of those trees.
1487
02:08:19,134 --> 02:08:21,014
And it's big, a big lake.
1488
02:08:22,174 --> 02:08:25,654
It's dry, wet, dry.
At the moment it's dry.
1489
02:08:26,294 --> 02:08:30,454
Two, three years ago it was full.
Not full, two-thirds.
1490
02:08:31,134 --> 02:08:33,934
There might be one with water in it.
Go have a look.
1491
02:08:34,094 --> 02:08:36,974
Just look for one with water in it,
and that will be it.
1492
02:08:39,134 --> 02:08:41,454
Again, turn the sound down,
I don't want to hear myself.
1493
02:09:03,094 --> 02:09:07,054
There's some photos, go to the photos.
There's quite a few photos of the place.
1494
02:09:10,654 --> 02:09:14,254
Why'd you guys drive so much,
why didn't you fly between them?
1495
02:09:15,214 --> 02:09:19,174
- If I had an aeroplane?
- No, between Adelaide and Melbourne.
1496
02:09:20,254 --> 02:09:22,774
Given that we can stay there,
1497
02:09:25,174 --> 02:09:29,694
it kind of breaks it up.
I mean... It sounds a little bit bad
1498
02:09:29,854 --> 02:09:32,934
that we're getting some
enjoyment out of it all, but...
1499
02:09:33,534 --> 02:09:35,014
It will be nice to get there tonight,
1500
02:09:35,134 --> 02:09:36,894
it will be nice to wake-up
tomorrow morning,
1501
02:09:37,054 --> 02:09:39,894
It will be nice to have breakfast
and then go.
1502
02:09:40,294 --> 02:09:42,974
It's just making a good thing out of
a bad situation.
1503
02:09:43,774 --> 02:09:47,414
We have flown a lot,
I was a gold member there for a while.
1504
02:09:47,574 --> 02:09:50,494
But it costs a heap of money.
Oh, that one.
1505
02:09:57,854 --> 02:10:01,134
There's me and my mum, there we are.
On the beach.
1506
02:10:01,974 --> 02:10:04,974
- In Adelaide?
- That was about two, three years ago...
1507
02:10:11,534 --> 02:10:15,894
Look for water, that's the lake.
Go for one that looks like the ocean.
1508
02:10:20,654 --> 02:10:22,654
- I don't want to distract you.
- No.
1509
02:10:26,574 --> 02:10:29,134
- These ones?
- Yeah, that's the lake.
1510
02:10:29,774 --> 02:10:31,334
It's like being at the beach.
1511
02:10:32,174 --> 02:10:33,534
You wouldn't know.
1512
02:10:35,494 --> 02:10:38,374
And now, you can just drive out on it.
1513
02:10:39,734 --> 02:10:41,494
We drove out on it the other day.
1514
02:10:41,654 --> 02:10:45,174
In fact if you go to the videos,
there's one of the drone of it.
1515
02:10:46,054 --> 02:10:48,694
Go to the videos,
there's a drone one of the lake,
1516
02:10:48,854 --> 02:10:50,134
probably about three weeks ago.
1517
02:10:50,294 --> 02:10:52,214
If you want, I mean you don't have to.
1518
02:10:52,374 --> 02:10:53,814
I think I saw it.
1519
02:10:56,614 --> 02:11:00,094
- It's got a shadow of the drone.
- Oh, this most recent one, down here?
1520
02:11:09,414 --> 02:11:11,574
Yeah, I went up, just had a look.
1521
02:11:11,734 --> 02:11:14,174
In a minute I'll pan up and around.
1522
02:11:28,814 --> 02:11:31,334
Maximum flight altitude reached.
1523
02:11:32,854 --> 02:11:35,054
Alright, I'm 500 metres now.
1524
02:11:36,294 --> 02:11:39,814
It's amazing those things, they can do...
They're fully automated.
1525
02:11:39,974 --> 02:11:43,174
You know the Mars thing that just
landed the other day?
1526
02:11:43,694 --> 02:11:45,734
And they're all going on
about how it goes.
1527
02:11:45,894 --> 02:11:48,374
But really, drones do it all the time.
1528
02:11:48,534 --> 02:11:51,014
They're all programmed
to do all sorts of things.
1529
02:11:51,574 --> 02:11:53,214
I guess the thing with the Mars thing,
1530
02:11:53,374 --> 02:11:56,934
is whether everything's still working,
after six months in space.
1531
02:11:58,214 --> 02:11:59,694
Do you know what I mean?
1532
02:11:59,854 --> 02:12:04,174
That thing will go, where it takes off,
to the nearest centimetre.
1533
02:12:04,734 --> 02:12:08,374
If you just press a button, it'll do
everything you want, automatically.
1534
02:12:08,854 --> 02:12:10,494
Technology's just amazing.
1535
02:12:12,414 --> 02:12:16,614
That's our place there,
you can see it expanding across there.
1536
02:12:17,214 --> 02:12:18,694
And it goes back a little bit.
1537
02:12:21,574 --> 02:12:22,854
- It's so flat.
- Yeah.
1538
02:12:22,974 --> 02:12:26,134
Well it's all that sort of, plains.
1539
02:12:29,094 --> 02:12:31,214
Very rich, alluvial soil.
1540
02:12:34,654 --> 02:12:36,734
Oh, there's the lake, bit of water.
1541
02:12:36,894 --> 02:12:38,454
- Is there?
- Isn't that water?
1542
02:12:38,614 --> 02:12:43,894
Nah, that's not water,
you'll see the river, to the left.
1543
02:12:45,534 --> 02:12:46,614
But anyway.
1544
02:12:48,934 --> 02:12:51,494
What happens is, when it runs
out of battery it'll start beeping,
1545
02:12:51,654 --> 02:12:53,654
and no matter what you do,
it just lands.
1546
02:12:53,814 --> 02:12:55,494
The big danger with those things
1547
02:12:55,654 --> 02:12:58,534
is that they run out battery
and just fall out of the sky.
1548
02:12:59,614 --> 02:13:01,654
Which has almost happened once.
1549
02:13:02,054 --> 02:13:05,734
If it can't maintain
its location with the wind.
1550
02:13:06,614 --> 02:13:07,734
But anyway.
1551
02:13:17,014 --> 02:13:18,894
I'm sorry to hear about your mum, Andrew.
1552
02:13:19,054 --> 02:13:20,214
It's okay.
1553
02:13:20,614 --> 02:13:22,054
It's probably for the best.
1554
02:13:28,014 --> 02:13:29,974
Her life quality's pretty crap.
1555
02:13:36,414 --> 02:13:38,614
She's not happy, I mean...
1556
02:13:40,894 --> 02:13:41,974
What do you do?
1557
02:13:50,414 --> 02:13:51,574
What did she do?
1558
02:13:54,054 --> 02:13:56,134
Well, she was a physio.
1559
02:13:58,414 --> 02:14:01,454
But she helped my dad, in his business.
1560
02:14:02,534 --> 02:14:05,014
And he was a vet. So she was his...
1561
02:14:05,814 --> 02:14:06,934
Sidekick.
1562
02:14:08,774 --> 02:14:13,174
Back in those days it wasn't all this -
green gowns with the face masks,
1563
02:14:13,334 --> 02:14:17,574
and the machine that goes "ping",
all this sort of stuff like a hospital.
1564
02:14:17,734 --> 02:14:19,894
It was pretty rudimentary.
1565
02:14:20,654 --> 02:14:24,614
People just treating animals...
It's just gone crazy now.
1566
02:14:27,414 --> 02:14:28,534
What do you mean?
1567
02:14:29,054 --> 02:14:31,174
Now you go to a vet,
well you don't have pets,
1568
02:14:31,294 --> 02:14:35,854
but you go to a vet now you're going to
pay as much for the pet as you are for...
1569
02:14:36,734 --> 02:14:38,214
for a human being.
1570
02:14:38,654 --> 02:14:41,334
And they'll give chemo,
and they'll do this and do that.
1571
02:14:41,494 --> 02:14:43,894
It's all just... You know.
1572
02:14:44,334 --> 02:14:47,294
It's all just milking it,
my dad would have said,
1573
02:14:47,614 --> 02:14:51,374
if he detected cancer or something,
because cancer's nothing new.
1574
02:14:51,534 --> 02:14:52,974
He would have just said,
1575
02:14:54,014 --> 02:14:55,774
"Dog's not in pain?
Still eating?", yes,
1576
02:14:55,934 --> 02:14:57,374
"Still wagging tail?", yes.
1577
02:14:58,494 --> 02:15:01,094
"Well until that stops
1578
02:15:01,694 --> 02:15:05,854
"enjoy the puppy or the dog.
1579
02:15:06,014 --> 02:15:09,854
"And then when it gets bad,
we'll put her down humanely,
1580
02:15:10,014 --> 02:15:14,334
"and gently and you can all
grieve together". But now...
1581
02:15:14,494 --> 02:15:18,054
Who was it? Our next-door neighbours
have just paid $5,000.
1582
02:15:18,214 --> 02:15:22,454
Somebody we know paid over $5,000,
for their dog,
1583
02:15:22,614 --> 02:15:26,494
because it had some sort of cancer.
1584
02:15:26,654 --> 02:15:28,934
$5,000, and it will die anyway,
1585
02:15:29,094 --> 02:15:32,814
it will die in three months' time,
or half a years' time. It's just crazy.
1586
02:15:36,134 --> 02:15:37,614
They see you coming.
1587
02:15:40,494 --> 02:15:43,174
It's gone out of proportion to what it is.
1588
02:15:45,134 --> 02:15:46,414
I shouldn't say that.
1589
02:15:47,174 --> 02:15:51,094
- What did she do at the vet?
- Well, there's a lot to do.
1590
02:15:53,254 --> 02:15:58,414
Places now probably
have receptions, nurses,
1591
02:15:59,294 --> 02:16:03,934
assistants, you name it.
It was just her and my dad.
1592
02:16:07,134 --> 02:16:12,414
She did all the...
Reception, nurse, assistant.
1593
02:16:14,054 --> 02:16:16,014
Cleaner probably, who knows.
1594
02:16:17,654 --> 02:16:19,894
Me and my sister as well,
my sister and I.
1595
02:16:22,694 --> 02:16:24,774
I always used to get the tail end,
1596
02:16:25,134 --> 02:16:27,094
figuratively and literally.
1597
02:16:27,694 --> 02:16:30,054
Which wasn't great, because when you
do anything to a dog
1598
02:16:30,214 --> 02:16:33,334
without anaesthetic they tend
to let loose of their bowels.
1599
02:16:34,454 --> 02:16:37,894
Me and dog shit
are fairly closely familiar.
1600
02:16:44,054 --> 02:16:46,774
And my dad was...
He was a hard taskmaster,
1601
02:16:46,934 --> 02:16:49,654
he wasn't an easy guy to get
along with when he was at work.
1602
02:16:50,014 --> 02:16:53,494
I mean he was good,
but everybody at work gets a bit tense.
1603
02:16:53,654 --> 02:16:55,734
It was pretty tough for my mum, I think.
1604
02:17:07,694 --> 02:17:11,734
I know after he died she really relaxed
and started to enjoy life a little bit.
1605
02:17:11,894 --> 02:17:13,454
Which was good for her.
1606
02:17:14,014 --> 02:17:18,054
The last 20 years at least, 25 years,
have been quite good for her.
1607
02:17:18,774 --> 02:17:20,734
Until about three years ago.
1608
02:17:22,454 --> 02:17:23,454
Damn.
1609
02:17:55,654 --> 02:17:59,094
Only bad thing is I haven't seen my mum
for a while.
1610
02:17:59,254 --> 02:18:01,174
I just neglected to go lately.
1611
02:18:01,334 --> 02:18:03,934
She just seemed like
she was going to live forever.
1612
02:18:04,094 --> 02:18:07,134
They get to a point and you think,
they're not gonna go,
1613
02:18:07,294 --> 02:18:09,374
they're just going to be around, you know.
1614
02:18:12,494 --> 02:18:15,334
So I sort of dropped back a little bit
from going over.
1615
02:18:15,494 --> 02:18:17,094
Which I regret a little bit.
1616
02:18:20,654 --> 02:18:23,334
She wasn't really aware...
You could see in that clip...
1617
02:18:23,494 --> 02:18:25,374
She wasn't aware of who I was.
1618
02:18:26,134 --> 02:18:27,854
She spoke English?
1619
02:18:28,014 --> 02:18:30,094
- No, she spoke German.
- I know, but in life.
1620
02:18:30,254 --> 02:18:33,654
Yeah, she spoke English,
she spoke quite good actually.
1621
02:18:34,214 --> 02:18:36,854
My dad never did.
1622
02:18:37,014 --> 02:18:40,614
It was his mark,
of how he approached everything.
1623
02:18:40,774 --> 02:18:43,574
Sort of like,
"Bugger you I'll speak as I want".
1624
02:18:43,734 --> 02:18:45,454
But my mum was quite good.
1625
02:18:45,654 --> 02:18:51,014
But when people get old they tend
to revert back to their native tongue.
1626
02:18:55,854 --> 02:18:57,094
What was she like?
1627
02:18:57,254 --> 02:18:59,454
What do you mean, what was she like?
She was my mum.
1628
02:18:59,614 --> 02:19:00,854
Never know what my mum's like.
1629
02:19:01,014 --> 02:19:04,254
No one, we never know what
our mums are like, or our dads are like.
1630
02:19:04,414 --> 02:19:07,014
We never know them as human beings.
1631
02:19:12,254 --> 02:19:15,534
We just adopt their views and opinions,
1632
02:19:15,694 --> 02:19:17,374
and never understand why.
1633
02:19:21,014 --> 02:19:24,214
What about your parents, they still
kicking? They would be, wouldn't they.
1634
02:19:26,134 --> 02:19:27,854
They're not here are they?
1635
02:19:28,254 --> 02:19:29,374
In Canberra.
1636
02:19:34,574 --> 02:19:37,014
- There's a distinct theme in your photos.
- Yeah?
1637
02:19:39,174 --> 02:19:41,414
- Not people?
- No, the bush.
1638
02:19:46,414 --> 02:19:49,614
Don't look at any ones with Cheri,
she'll kill me if you've looked at them.
1639
02:19:57,854 --> 02:20:02,774
I think the place gives me
a lot of pleasure. It was such a...
1640
02:20:03,614 --> 02:20:06,614
- We were so lucky to...
- Are they your sheep?
1641
02:20:08,494 --> 02:20:11,654
- Are they sheep?
- Yeah, they're sheep.
1642
02:20:13,414 --> 02:20:16,734
Ah, there's my sister, hang on,
there you go, that's my sister.
1643
02:20:17,214 --> 02:20:18,334
Yeah right.
1644
02:20:19,614 --> 02:20:21,694
- That's your sister?
- Yeah, yeah.
1645
02:20:21,854 --> 02:20:24,494
And there's my mum and dad
down the bottom.
1646
02:20:24,894 --> 02:20:27,974
I sent that to a friend,
after she passed away.
1647
02:20:29,574 --> 02:20:32,734
I sent that as a little thing
to her friends.
1648
02:20:33,694 --> 02:20:36,614
- That's you and her?
- That's me and her with my dad.
1649
02:20:40,854 --> 02:20:43,974
They're all dead now, just me.
That's great, hey?
1650
02:20:46,774 --> 02:20:47,934
That one, there.
1651
02:20:48,934 --> 02:20:50,254
Were you and your sister close?
1652
02:20:50,414 --> 02:20:51,974
- Is that you?
- Yeah, that's me.
1653
02:20:53,734 --> 02:20:57,894
Don't I come across as that good
looking chap anymore?
1654
02:21:00,494 --> 02:21:01,494
Oh, my god.
1655
02:21:01,654 --> 02:21:03,534
- Why? What's the matter?
- Is that you?
1656
02:21:03,694 --> 02:21:05,614
Yeah, that's me,
that's a funny one, that one.
1657
02:21:06,974 --> 02:21:08,454
Yeah, I had long hair.
1658
02:21:09,214 --> 02:21:11,854
That actually was probably
only in the '90s, mid-'90s.
1659
02:21:12,254 --> 02:21:13,694
Oh, early-'90s.
1660
02:21:25,894 --> 02:21:28,054
Do you mind if I put my sunglasses on?
1661
02:21:39,614 --> 02:21:41,734
My mum was pretty good.
1662
02:21:41,894 --> 02:21:44,534
First time to Melbourne...
She used to take us as kids to Melbourne.
1663
02:21:44,574 --> 02:21:45,894
I remember that was our first...
1664
02:21:46,054 --> 02:21:48,614
Really our first and only
holidays as kids.
1665
02:21:48,774 --> 02:21:53,574
We used to always go...
She used to always stay the best places.
1666
02:21:53,734 --> 02:21:56,734
My poor old dad was always
back home battling away.
1667
02:21:56,894 --> 02:22:00,254
Now he was pretty old you see,
so my mum would, she was funny...
1668
02:22:00,414 --> 02:22:03,174
She spent money a bit wildly.
1669
02:22:03,774 --> 02:22:06,654
We'd always go to the best hotel.
1670
02:22:06,814 --> 02:22:09,654
We went to Florentine Grossi,
before it was...
1671
02:22:09,814 --> 02:22:13,014
it was the Florentine, back in the day.
I remember...
1672
02:22:13,614 --> 02:22:15,574
- It was real ritzy.
- Is it still there?
1673
02:22:15,734 --> 02:22:18,574
- It's now called Flossi.
- Grossi?
1674
02:22:18,734 --> 02:22:22,294
It's now owned by that guy.
But it's the old Florentine.
1675
02:22:22,454 --> 02:22:27,694
Melbourne's full of those old places,
that have been here since year dot.
1676
02:22:27,854 --> 02:22:31,494
You know, 40, 50 years,
40 years, 30 years.
1677
02:22:33,334 --> 02:22:37,134
Vlados, you know that one?
And what's the one...
1678
02:22:37,854 --> 02:22:40,214
The one in Toorak?
There are a whole bunch of them.
1679
02:22:45,454 --> 02:22:47,614
Do you go out much?
1680
02:22:49,134 --> 02:22:51,974
Never down that way. To Toorak.
1681
02:22:52,134 --> 02:22:55,294
Do you go out to dinner much?
1682
02:22:57,014 --> 02:22:59,614
- I guess, every now and then.
- Gourmet dinner?
1683
02:23:01,574 --> 02:23:06,294
- Is Grossi gourmet?
- Oh, yeah. That's one of the...
1684
02:23:09,094 --> 02:23:11,854
- So your mum would take you there?
- She'd take us everywhere.
1685
02:23:12,014 --> 02:23:14,134
What she couldn't do
with my dad in Adelaide,
1686
02:23:14,294 --> 02:23:15,974
she'd then do with us in Melbourne.
1687
02:23:16,454 --> 02:23:18,094
Oh, yeah.
It was great.
1688
02:23:18,254 --> 02:23:21,734
We stayed at the Southern Cross,
which is in Exhibition Street.
1689
02:23:21,894 --> 02:23:27,294
I love Exhibition Street,
I'd go that way but I don't want to delay.
1690
02:23:27,854 --> 02:23:30,414
To me, that's Melbourne,
Exhibition Street.
1691
02:23:30,574 --> 02:23:34,614
You go up that rise off the rail yards.
And the trees, and the cars...
1692
02:23:34,774 --> 02:23:37,614
I've just got that image
from when I was...
1693
02:23:38,014 --> 02:23:41,694
I must have been 10.
And we were at the Southern Cross Hotel.
1694
02:23:42,214 --> 02:23:43,214
Who stayed there?
1695
02:23:43,374 --> 02:23:46,534
I think The Beatles, or Mick Jagger
stayed there back in '63 or something.
1696
02:23:46,694 --> 02:23:48,974
- It's not there now is it?
- Nah, it's gone.
1697
02:23:49,134 --> 02:23:51,134
It replaced a beautiful old
Victorian building,
1698
02:23:51,294 --> 02:23:54,334
I remember looking at pictures
of the old building it replaced.
1699
02:23:54,494 --> 02:23:57,334
And now it's gone and I think it's just an
office block or something.
1700
02:23:57,934 --> 02:24:00,694
That's my memories of Melbourne.
1701
02:24:02,534 --> 02:24:04,894
- We used to always train over...
- They knocked it down?
1702
02:24:05,054 --> 02:24:06,414
Oh yeah, it's all gone.
1703
02:24:07,574 --> 02:24:11,494
We used to train over on the sleepers,
that was fun, a lot of fun.
1704
02:24:11,854 --> 02:24:12,854
All gone.
1705
02:24:14,254 --> 02:24:18,614
My mum was pretty good that way.
What is the speed I didn't look?
1706
02:24:19,054 --> 02:24:21,894
60? Or was it 80?
It must have been 60.
1707
02:24:23,494 --> 02:24:25,374
I've been done here before.
1708
02:24:30,414 --> 02:24:32,254
I don't think you'll be going
faster than 60.
1709
02:24:32,414 --> 02:24:33,414
No.
1710
02:24:37,694 --> 02:24:38,734
It's 80.
1711
02:24:57,334 --> 02:25:00,254
I just hope it's not long
and drawn out for her.
1712
02:32:07,214 --> 02:32:09,334
So she came into the office.
1713
02:32:09,854 --> 02:32:12,374
And she stood there
while I was doing some work.
1714
02:32:12,774 --> 02:32:13,774
Ta.
1715
02:32:15,654 --> 02:32:19,974
She stood there with her arms folded,
looking at me. And I sorta said...
1716
02:32:20,134 --> 02:32:22,454
I was feeling really uncomfortable
at that stage.
1717
02:32:25,334 --> 02:32:27,614
- Was anyone else in there with you?
- No.
1718
02:32:27,774 --> 02:32:31,934
I said, "I feel like you're bullying me,
I feel intimidated".
1719
02:32:32,374 --> 02:32:35,814
And she sort of said,
"If you can't work with me..."
1720
02:32:36,174 --> 02:32:39,214
She just went on that whole thing about...
1721
02:32:40,134 --> 02:32:42,414
If I can't...
1722
02:32:43,254 --> 02:32:47,134
If she can't talk to me directly,
then there's no working relationship.
1723
02:32:47,294 --> 02:32:50,734
And I just said,
"Well, I feel uncomfortable".
1724
02:32:50,894 --> 02:32:55,054
And she said, "We'll need to talk
about this seriously further on",
1725
02:32:55,214 --> 02:32:56,374
and then she just left.
1726
02:33:00,014 --> 02:33:02,574
I don't know.
Anyway, we'll see what happens.
1727
02:33:08,974 --> 02:33:11,494
How long have I got there I don't know,
but anyway.
1728
02:33:11,654 --> 02:33:15,374
At the moment all is happy,
happy as Larry I guess.
1729
02:33:17,614 --> 02:33:20,294
And what about yourself?
You're leaving Friday aren't ya?
1730
02:33:20,454 --> 02:33:22,014
Friday's your last day isn't it?
1731
02:33:22,934 --> 02:33:24,254
Friday's last day.
1732
02:33:24,974 --> 02:33:27,654
- But I'll be in the city the next two days.
- Cool.
1733
02:33:29,734 --> 02:33:32,014
And then what,
after Friday what happens then?
1734
02:33:35,094 --> 02:33:38,534
The course starts next Wednesday,
1735
02:33:38,694 --> 02:33:41,414
for two months, and then that's it,
I'll be out,
1736
02:33:43,134 --> 02:33:44,214
practising.
1737
02:33:44,614 --> 02:33:45,614
Excited?
1738
02:33:49,054 --> 02:33:50,454
Are you gonna give Cheri a call?
1739
02:33:50,614 --> 02:33:54,054
Nah, you're here. She's at work anyway.
1740
02:33:54,214 --> 02:33:56,774
Did I tell you she got work?
Part-time work.
1741
02:33:56,934 --> 02:33:58,934
And now she's about to see her boss.
1742
02:33:59,934 --> 02:34:04,294
The boss thinks she's great,
so they're going to offer her more work.
1743
02:34:05,454 --> 02:34:07,614
I don't know.
She always gets headhunted.
1744
02:34:07,774 --> 02:34:10,254
I think every job she's ever got
she's been headhunted.
1745
02:34:10,814 --> 02:34:12,294
I've never been headhunted.
1746
02:34:13,254 --> 02:34:17,454
I don't know whether
she'll take it or not, we'll see.
1747
02:34:17,974 --> 02:34:20,614
I don't know whether I want her to,
but it's got nothing to do with me.
1748
02:34:20,654 --> 02:34:23,214
If she's happy with it,
I think it's better that she does.
1749
02:34:25,254 --> 02:34:27,734
She's been far happier, lately.
1750
02:34:29,374 --> 02:34:32,414
Rather than being at home.
I've really noticed a big change.
1751
02:34:33,374 --> 02:34:37,614
Sitting at home worrying
about the miseries of life.
1752
02:34:37,774 --> 02:34:39,214
It's no good for anyone.
1753
02:34:40,734 --> 02:34:41,894
No good for me.
1754
02:34:42,894 --> 02:34:44,454
Anyway, we'll see.
1755
02:34:45,014 --> 02:34:47,014
Is it going to be full-time?
1756
02:34:47,494 --> 02:34:50,654
I hope not.
I think she'll go crazy if it's full-time.
1757
02:34:50,814 --> 02:34:54,174
I hope not, for us.
I don't want her to work full-time.
1758
02:34:55,894 --> 02:34:58,534
What's the point?
At the end of the day, what's the point?
1759
02:34:59,334 --> 02:35:03,294
Life just becomes a grind of waking up,
going to work, coming home.
1760
02:35:03,734 --> 02:35:05,574
It's like the hamster wheel.
1761
02:35:08,854 --> 02:35:10,574
What's she going to be doing?
1762
02:35:10,734 --> 02:35:12,254
- What's she going to be doing?
- Yeah.
1763
02:35:12,294 --> 02:35:13,814
Just what she does.
1764
02:35:14,534 --> 02:35:17,374
You know, that admin,
management type stuff.
1765
02:35:18,094 --> 02:35:20,134
She'll get paid more money, everything.
1766
02:35:21,294 --> 02:35:24,534
It's typical Cheri, but that's good,
all good, everything good.
1767
02:35:28,134 --> 02:35:30,574
Okay. Oopsie-daisy.
1768
02:35:39,454 --> 02:35:41,414
Are you going to report Marie?
1769
02:35:41,574 --> 02:35:44,974
Nah, I'm not going to, I'm gonna
leave that's what I'm going to do.
1770
02:35:48,214 --> 02:35:51,054
I'll do like you, go to the bar.
1771
02:35:52,574 --> 02:35:54,134
Don't know whether
I have it in me though.
1772
02:35:54,174 --> 02:35:57,414
Do you think this water will be any good,
sitting in the hot car? It's a bit warm.
1773
02:36:05,774 --> 02:36:09,254
I reckon, as I've said Andrew,
it would suit you,
1774
02:36:09,414 --> 02:36:10,854
or you could start your own firm.
1775
02:36:11,014 --> 02:36:13,534
Yeah, yeah, I could.
I'll see, I don't know.
1776
02:36:15,294 --> 02:36:16,454
I'll wait and see.
1777
02:36:17,054 --> 02:36:20,974
Right now, I just want a quiet life.
I just don't really want a lot of hassle.
1778
02:36:21,374 --> 02:36:24,574
I don't want too many clients hassling me.
1779
02:36:25,174 --> 02:36:27,054
That's the good thing
about what you're doing...
1780
02:36:27,094 --> 02:36:30,614
You'll be impartial...
The taxi rank...
1781
02:36:31,134 --> 02:36:33,294
At court advocate.
1782
02:36:33,454 --> 02:36:36,334
You deal with the client and walk away.
1783
02:36:36,734 --> 02:36:38,894
That aspect of the work I quite like.
1784
02:36:40,254 --> 02:36:44,454
But with carrying their problems,
sometimes it just wears you down.
1785
02:36:44,974 --> 02:36:45,974
As you know.
1786
02:36:49,774 --> 02:36:51,854
So I won't be giving
you a lift anymore, hey?
1787
02:36:52,094 --> 02:36:54,014
Not that I do that often, but still.
1788
02:36:58,774 --> 02:37:01,934
Can't say I'm going to miss
being out here though.
1789
02:37:04,734 --> 02:37:06,334
Lunches are better out here.
1790
02:37:07,334 --> 02:37:09,974
The city's pretty bland, lunch-wise.
1791
02:37:13,614 --> 02:37:17,854
It's expensive, put it that way.
Where you get great food out here.
1792
02:37:20,894 --> 02:37:23,294
At good, reasonable prices.
1793
02:37:23,814 --> 02:37:24,814
Anyway.
1794
02:37:25,454 --> 02:37:26,854
See how it goes.
1795
02:37:37,654 --> 02:37:39,614
So, what else have you got to tell me?
1796
02:37:43,094 --> 02:37:44,614
Still doing the Tinder thing?
1797
02:37:49,974 --> 02:37:51,214
Reluctantly.
1798
02:37:51,694 --> 02:37:53,254
- Reluctantly?
- Yeah.
1799
02:37:53,414 --> 02:37:55,094
I thought you were with someone.
1800
02:37:55,734 --> 02:37:57,054
A few dates.
1801
02:37:57,334 --> 02:38:01,254
I'm not really sure
if I should keep it going or...
1802
02:38:02,694 --> 02:38:05,254
to end it now.
I don't think I'm really feeling it.
1803
02:38:05,414 --> 02:38:07,734
I don't think that's how I want
to meet someone, Andrew.
1804
02:38:07,894 --> 02:38:09,414
- What, Tinder?
- Yeah.
1805
02:38:10,214 --> 02:38:11,494
How else should you meet 'em?
1806
02:38:13,974 --> 02:38:15,174
I don't know.
1807
02:38:15,894 --> 02:38:19,374
It seems to take something out of it.
1808
02:38:19,534 --> 02:38:20,534
Like what?
1809
02:38:21,174 --> 02:38:25,174
Well most people meet at work,
or most people meet at... you know...
1810
02:38:26,814 --> 02:38:29,974
Most people meet at something
they do mutually together.
1811
02:38:30,134 --> 02:38:34,534
Tinder's just being on the internet.
How different is it really?
1812
02:38:34,694 --> 02:38:36,174
The bar or something...
1813
02:38:36,334 --> 02:38:40,174
Do people meet at bars,
and continue on to have relationships?
1814
02:38:40,774 --> 02:38:43,374
Short things, but relationships?
I don't know.
1815
02:38:43,534 --> 02:38:46,014
I've got no real experience in that.
1816
02:38:46,174 --> 02:38:49,934
- Where did you guys meet?
- We've been together since year dot.
1817
02:38:51,454 --> 02:38:54,494
20, 30, 40 years, maybe.
1818
02:38:56,934 --> 02:38:59,374
At uni, we sat together in the class.
1819
02:39:00,214 --> 02:39:02,214
- You met at uni?
- Yeah, yeah.
1820
02:39:02,694 --> 02:39:03,774
Friends.
1821
02:39:05,414 --> 02:39:07,214
- Uni in Adelaide?
- Yeah.
1822
02:39:08,134 --> 02:39:11,054
We went out for a little bit,
then we had a big argument
1823
02:39:11,214 --> 02:39:13,934
and I didn't talk to her for
about three or four years.
1824
02:39:15,494 --> 02:39:16,934
We saw each other around,
1825
02:39:17,094 --> 02:39:20,974
sat next to each other
at a seminar, or a movie,
1826
02:39:21,134 --> 02:39:24,294
or something that was on campus.
I remember that, we both remember that.
1827
02:39:24,454 --> 02:39:28,254
And after graduation,
we had a graduation party
1828
02:39:28,414 --> 02:39:31,214
and a mutual friend...
1829
02:39:33,134 --> 02:39:35,774
They rocked up to my place,
I was still living at home.
1830
02:39:35,894 --> 02:39:38,174
I think I was...
Yeah, I was living at home at that stage.
1831
02:39:38,214 --> 02:39:41,614
- How old would you have been?
- I was 21, 22.
1832
02:39:44,854 --> 02:39:48,334
And they pull up in the car,
friends picking up everybody...
1833
02:39:48,494 --> 02:39:51,614
And they said get in the back,
and who's sitting there but Cheri.
1834
02:39:51,774 --> 02:39:54,774
She looks at me and I'm looking at her,
I'm thinking, "This is interesting".
1835
02:39:54,854 --> 02:39:58,174
Cause like I said, we'd been together
for about three, four months,
1836
02:39:58,534 --> 02:40:02,494
back three years earlier,
four years earlier, I think.
1837
02:40:02,974 --> 02:40:04,934
And from then on we haven't looked back.
1838
02:40:05,854 --> 02:40:11,374
So... it's kinda funny. And I often wonder
whether the guy who picked us up knew.
1839
02:40:11,534 --> 02:40:15,934
Cheri says she never said anything,
she said she'd always had a thing for me.
1840
02:40:16,134 --> 02:40:21,814
I was always aware of her being around,
we passed each other around the area.
1841
02:40:22,934 --> 02:40:26,054
We kinda had...
She slapped my face actually, way back.
1842
02:40:26,974 --> 02:40:28,974
- At the end of the three months?
- Yeah.
1843
02:40:29,094 --> 02:40:33,254
We were at a party,
and it ended with her slapping my face.
1844
02:40:34,414 --> 02:40:36,294
- Then I didn't talk to...
- What did you do?
1845
02:40:36,454 --> 02:40:39,494
It was nothing really, it was one of those
silly parties when you're young.
1846
02:40:41,174 --> 02:40:43,094
Oh, you know. I don't know,
I can't remember.
1847
02:40:43,254 --> 02:40:44,534
It was so many years ago.
1848
02:40:47,974 --> 02:40:49,614
That's how it's been.
1849
02:40:50,934 --> 02:40:52,934
It was just meant to be I suppose.
1850
02:40:53,294 --> 02:40:55,014
You didn't try to get her back?
1851
02:40:55,174 --> 02:40:58,534
Nah, it was pride,
and all sorts of things.
1852
02:40:58,694 --> 02:41:00,374
Also you're young,
and you've got a life,
1853
02:41:00,534 --> 02:41:03,174
and you want to do other things...
1854
02:41:03,334 --> 02:41:07,414
We've been together,
we've been living together for probably,
1855
02:41:07,574 --> 02:41:09,374
I don't know, how many years...
1856
02:41:09,534 --> 02:41:12,414
For a while we weren't,
for many years we weren't actually,
1857
02:41:12,574 --> 02:41:14,574
for five or six or seven.
1858
02:41:15,134 --> 02:41:17,014
And then we moved in together.
1859
02:41:17,174 --> 02:41:21,014
And I've been away for about
three years in total, interstate,
1860
02:41:21,174 --> 02:41:23,054
and did the overseas trip.
1861
02:41:23,534 --> 02:41:26,294
I lived in America for a couple years,
she came over...
1862
02:41:27,774 --> 02:41:31,294
We've been apart probably,
in total, about three years.
1863
02:41:32,934 --> 02:41:35,534
Were you with anyone else
in the three-year gap?
1864
02:41:35,694 --> 02:41:39,254
No. Oh, you know,
the usual stuff, but nothing...
1865
02:41:40,494 --> 02:41:44,414
Nothing... No relationships of any note,
put it that way.
1866
02:41:47,734 --> 02:41:49,134
What about before you met?
1867
02:41:49,294 --> 02:41:53,534
Again it was the... vigour of youth.
1868
02:41:54,494 --> 02:41:56,054
But again, nothing serious.
1869
02:41:58,094 --> 02:42:02,894
And there wasn't any...
I don't know about... Was it meant to be?
1870
02:42:03,574 --> 02:42:05,454
I don't know. Who knows.
1871
02:42:06,574 --> 02:42:08,894
I think it was friendship,
it was really solid,
1872
02:42:09,014 --> 02:42:10,734
we really... clicked.
1873
02:42:10,854 --> 02:42:16,494
Like the yin and yang,
or the Lego pieces fitting together.
1874
02:42:16,654 --> 02:42:21,014
Sorta like that. It felt very comfortable,
the friendship aspect.
1875
02:42:22,814 --> 02:42:25,814
Of course, there's always
the sexual tension.
1876
02:42:26,574 --> 02:42:27,934
All that sort of stuff.
1877
02:42:29,894 --> 02:42:32,454
And then it just felt so right,
I suppose.
1878
02:42:33,934 --> 02:42:36,654
That's crazy, one serious relationship.
1879
02:42:38,134 --> 02:42:39,254
That's life.
1880
02:42:39,414 --> 02:42:41,414
You've never had your heart broken?
1881
02:42:43,734 --> 02:42:46,814
- Or broken someone else's heart?
- That's all another story. Anyway...
1882
02:42:46,974 --> 02:42:50,294
Let's just enjoy the drive, David.
1883
02:42:51,374 --> 02:42:52,574
What's that story?
1884
02:42:52,734 --> 02:42:55,094
Let's just enjoy the drive,
here we are...
1885
02:42:55,774 --> 02:42:57,894
It's 33, the cool change
has come through.
1886
02:43:26,934 --> 02:43:28,654
You were always sure?
1887
02:43:29,374 --> 02:43:32,574
What do you mean, I was never sure,
I don't think anyone is ever sure.
1888
02:43:33,614 --> 02:43:36,214
If it works it works,
and if doesn't work,
1889
02:43:36,654 --> 02:43:37,854
you're not together.
1890
02:43:42,574 --> 02:43:46,094
Cheri would tell you I've broken
her heart many times.
1891
02:43:49,454 --> 02:43:50,614
Yeah, I don't know.
1892
02:43:54,734 --> 02:43:57,254
I must say, I mean we've
been together... Three years...
1893
02:43:57,414 --> 02:43:59,854
I mean, being alone, nup...
1894
02:44:01,654 --> 02:44:04,094
It just felt right, still feels right.
1895
02:44:04,814 --> 02:44:07,134
But you've gotta work at it, David,
you really do.
1896
02:44:07,294 --> 02:44:09,894
It's like a little flame,
flickers back and forward,
1897
02:44:10,054 --> 02:44:12,534
the wind blows on it, it rains...
1898
02:44:13,574 --> 02:44:15,694
If it goes out, I'd hate to think.
1899
02:44:18,654 --> 02:44:20,174
Then it just wouldn't work.
1900
02:44:21,974 --> 02:44:23,494
Gotta have the little flame.
1901
02:44:24,094 --> 02:44:25,574
Sometimes it roars.
1902
02:44:28,614 --> 02:44:31,974
Sometimes it's just like a little
pilot light in a heater.
1903
02:44:32,494 --> 02:44:34,614
You think,
"Oh, it's going to get blown out".
1904
02:44:43,974 --> 02:44:45,854
Have you heard the song "Cheree"?
1905
02:44:46,654 --> 02:44:48,294
No, who's it by?
1906
02:44:48,894 --> 02:44:50,614
A modern song, contemporary?
1907
02:44:50,774 --> 02:44:52,974
- It's from the '70s.
- Oh, '70s.
1908
02:44:53,334 --> 02:44:56,694
I may have heard it,
not that horrible screeching one?
1909
02:44:57,374 --> 02:44:59,414
Hang on, I'll see if I can
find it for you.
1910
02:45:07,294 --> 02:45:11,254
You have an iPhone, why don't you
talk to Cheri on your iPhone on this?
1911
02:45:11,414 --> 02:45:13,134
Got Bluetooth too.
1912
02:45:13,294 --> 02:45:15,334
Yeah, but you always use your headphones.
1913
02:45:15,854 --> 02:45:18,894
Because every time I talk
on Bluetooth on this
1914
02:45:19,054 --> 02:45:21,574
she says, "What, what, what?"
1915
02:45:23,054 --> 02:45:26,054
So I just find that if I...
1916
02:45:26,214 --> 02:45:30,494
I use the earphones it's really
clear and concise,
1917
02:45:30,654 --> 02:45:32,734
and she doesn't go, "What, what, what?"
1918
02:45:37,934 --> 02:45:40,094
I'm trying to wean her onto Bluetooth.
1919
02:45:41,454 --> 02:45:43,214
Alright, so what are we listening to?
1920
02:45:46,854 --> 02:45:48,774
It's a band I like, from New York.
1921
02:46:26,374 --> 02:46:27,574
You never heard this?
1922
02:49:28,334 --> 02:49:29,974
Yeah, it's been a long time.
1923
02:49:30,494 --> 02:49:33,294
Relationships are good,
I guess, I don't know
1924
02:49:33,454 --> 02:49:37,054
if something happened, I don't know
whether I'd go into another relationship.
1925
02:49:37,214 --> 02:49:41,094
Maybe I'd just live a single life at
the end of the day, I don't know.
1926
02:49:42,174 --> 02:49:44,974
- What do you mean?
- Oh, I don't know...
1927
02:49:48,134 --> 02:49:51,054
Why would I get tangled up again?
It's different for you.
1928
02:49:51,214 --> 02:49:52,894
Do you mean if you were to do it again?
1929
02:49:53,054 --> 02:49:55,454
No, if anything were to
happen to her now.
1930
02:49:55,734 --> 02:49:56,734
Oh, okay.
1931
02:49:58,294 --> 02:50:00,454
She says I wouldn't last five seconds.
1932
02:50:03,614 --> 02:50:04,614
Without her?
1933
02:50:04,774 --> 02:50:07,654
No, she thinks I'd be fine,
1934
02:50:07,814 --> 02:50:11,374
she thinks somebody would come along
and hook me, and sorta, you know...
1935
02:50:11,814 --> 02:50:16,094
pull me into the vacuum of their lives.
And I'd be, I'd be trapped.
1936
02:50:16,254 --> 02:50:18,894
And she reckons I'd last
alone five seconds.
1937
02:50:19,054 --> 02:50:23,534
I've gone on about, if I was by myself...
But she says, "You wouldn't last".
1938
02:50:28,334 --> 02:50:32,094
Some woman would suck me in,
1939
02:50:32,534 --> 02:50:33,814
I'd be gone.
1940
02:50:37,054 --> 02:50:39,814
Don't think I would be,
I say, "Nup, nup".
1941
02:50:40,214 --> 02:50:44,094
I think I'd relish the independent life.
1942
02:50:45,574 --> 02:50:47,934
Move into a hotel, join a men's club,
1943
02:50:48,414 --> 02:50:50,454
walk with a cane.
1944
02:50:50,934 --> 02:50:52,694
Just sorta be free.
1945
02:50:56,814 --> 02:50:58,654
It's one of our jokes actually.
1946
02:52:15,694 --> 02:52:19,494
...and a man was watching YouTube,
or a television show or something,
1947
02:52:19,654 --> 02:52:21,054
just staring at his screen.
1948
02:52:21,214 --> 02:52:24,294
The woman was on Facebook,
or texting or something,
1949
02:52:24,734 --> 02:52:26,934
and the child was just sitting
there looking bored.
1950
02:52:28,174 --> 02:52:29,694
Yeah, I just thought...
1951
02:52:29,854 --> 02:52:33,294
I wish I'd had the guts to actually
make a movie of it...
1952
02:52:34,334 --> 02:52:36,414
and post it, I think it would
have gone viral.
1953
02:52:36,574 --> 02:52:39,134
- On your phone?
- Yes, on my phone...
1954
02:52:39,294 --> 02:52:42,054
You would have used your phone to film
these people on their phones,
1955
02:52:42,214 --> 02:52:45,174
and that's where it's eating itself,
the culture is eating itself.
1956
02:52:45,334 --> 02:52:48,174
Stephen from Berwick there,
kicking off our discussion today.
1957
02:52:48,334 --> 02:52:51,254
Annie from Melton, are you addicted
to your mobile phone, Annie?
1958
02:52:51,814 --> 02:52:56,974
I have to admit that I am,
it's with me pretty much 24/7.
1959
02:52:58,014 --> 02:53:00,814
And what do you do about it,
if you're aware of it,
1960
02:53:00,974 --> 02:53:02,774
does that trigger a response?
1961
02:53:03,574 --> 02:53:05,894
Well I've been looking
for self-help groups,
1962
02:53:06,054 --> 02:53:07,734
but I can't seem to find someone
1963
02:53:07,894 --> 02:53:10,254
to have a decent face-to-face
conversation, so I...
1964
02:53:10,414 --> 02:53:12,054
No, that's probably on the phone.
1965
02:53:14,134 --> 02:53:15,854
I think... I've retired from work
1966
02:53:16,014 --> 02:53:19,974
and I've felt a little bit
socially alienated.
1967
02:53:20,974 --> 02:53:25,014
I've taken to reading books
on my phone, and...
1968
02:53:25,174 --> 02:53:28,894
I certainly, you know, am aware of...
1969
02:53:29,054 --> 02:53:35,094
of the fact that it is a poor replacement
for friendship, in some ways...
1970
02:53:35,254 --> 02:53:38,654
Sorry, are you telling us you phone
has become your best friend?
1971
02:53:39,414 --> 02:53:43,094
Well, look as I say,
it's with me 24/7, and...
1972
02:53:44,254 --> 02:53:47,894
You know, I read books...
As much as I know...
1973
02:54:49,254 --> 02:54:50,774
Hi hun, how are you?
1974
02:54:54,054 --> 02:54:56,894
I'm okay, where abouts are ya?
1975
02:55:00,414 --> 02:55:01,534
It's okay.
1976
02:55:03,854 --> 02:55:06,854
Nothing, nothing much, same old.
1977
02:55:08,014 --> 02:55:10,934
It was okay, interesting,
worth going, I guess.
1978
02:55:11,094 --> 02:55:12,374
What about yourself?
1979
02:55:18,014 --> 02:55:19,734
Did you just leave now?
1980
02:55:32,454 --> 02:55:33,774
Yeah, no I'm fine.
1981
02:55:36,254 --> 02:55:38,254
It's fine, everything's fine.
1982
02:55:42,454 --> 02:55:45,094
No, that's okay. Alright.
Okay, hun. Alright.
1983
02:55:48,774 --> 02:55:50,654
Yeah, sure that's fine.
1984
02:55:54,214 --> 02:55:57,454
Alright, when are you going to get home?
1985
02:56:02,334 --> 02:56:05,734
I don't know, probably the same.
Okay hun.
1986
02:56:07,014 --> 02:56:08,494
Okay, alright.
1987
02:56:09,614 --> 02:56:10,614
See ya.
1988
02:56:11,700 --> 02:56:12,700
See ya.