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[Interviewer] Physically, I mean, you guys are...
you know how to take care of your bodies
and your diet and stuff like that.
But it is like the mental and emotional stuff.
There’s no real, like road map, like, you know?
The physical is the easiest part.
Perfect.
[Draymond] Professional athletes are master compensators.
And so even if something doesn’t feel right,
you can figure that side of things out.
Learning to deal with the mental or emotional
is tougher than physical.
That’s where the real challenge lies
is figuring that side out,
because it’s... it is mentally and emotionally draining.
[Narrator] Athletes know better than anyone
that sports are a mental game.
When the power of the mind takes over
the most physically gifted, how do they deal with it?
[Newscaster] This generation just can’t deal with it.
I feel very anxious.
[Narrator] Who do they turn to? What do they do?
[Newscaster] Simone Biles dropped out.
[Commentator] Today’s player not tough.
[Narrator] Spiritual teachers from around the world
will challenge the world’s greatest athletes
to look inward,
to battle their greatest opponent: themselves.
[Draymond] I love basketball, and I hate losing.
Losing bothers me...
way more than winning fulfills me.
It’s the losing that really fucking gets to me.
Sometimes I definitely lose my cool.
[Announcer] Green and Tristan Thompson going at it.
[Draymond] The thing that most people don’t realize
is that guy can be dealing with a bunch of shit,
whenever he’s not on this floor for these two and a half hours.
It all stems from wanting to win,
wanting to be great, wanting to do well.
[Announcer] And now we’ve got a fight. Legitimate fight here.
It’s the competitive beast in me.
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I knew a lot about Draymond
because I watched him a lot in college at Michigan State.
I had watched him win at a high level and compete,
and I just didn’t know how good he was
going to be in the NBA.
[Announcer] Draymond! Beautifully done!
[Steve] Our personalities are different in that
he’s more demonstrative.
He can’t mess with me!
When it’s crunch time, I show up.
One thing about Draymond is that he is emotional,
and if you understand that, then you understand who Draymond is.
It’s a balancing act.
I mean, there’s times that it’s...
it teeters right on the brink.
[Steve] In many cases, he could back down,
but I don’t think he knows how.
[Tom] What he struggles with sometimes people have trouble
understanding how bad he wants to win.
Now he doesn’t sometimes handle that right, either.
[Announcer 1] Green and James jawing at each other
while play continues.
[Reporter] Draymond Green is suspended thanks to his
below the belt shot on LeBron James.
It happens a few times a year where
he’s ready to blow.
He can get so mad, so emotional, so frustrated
that he opens himself up for criticism,
for maybe an ejection from an official,
for a fine from the NBA.
[Tom] But I think there are times
when he questions whether he took something too far.
I’m hopeful that we can help Draymond continue to play
at an incredibly high level, continue to be an All-Star
and yet find a little more peace within himself.
I think that would be the ultimate achievement for us.
My fire is who I am.
I’m going to have my fire.
But finding that balance, I think,
has always been a challenge for me.
The great athletes have the opportunity
to become the greatest spiritual mentors
of the next generation of athletes.
[Female Announcer] Deepak Chopra is the world renowned founder
of the Chopra Foundation,
a nonprofit entity for research on well-being.
[Male Announcer] Time magazine has described him as
one of the top 100 heroes and icons of the century.
In the eastern wisdom traditions,
fire is called Agni.
Agni is the root word for ignite.
Without that fire, there’s no transformation.
So fire in the heart for a higher calling
is absolutely necessary.
So I would say, don’t stop the ignition.
There’s no engine without the ignition,
but choose what the fire is for.
What are you telling Deepak? What are you expecting?
Um...
I don’t, you know, I don’t really know what
to expect because I think it’s a lane
that I... I’ve never really dove into.
And so if I’m expecting anything, it’s the unexpected.
- Hi, Draymond. - How’s it going?
- Good, how are you? - Good. Pleasure.
[Deepak] Okay. Do you have any questions for me?
You know, I’m just...
like, reading up on a lot of the things
that you have accomplished, I was reading your seven...
Seven spiritual laws of success.
Yes. And I read one of them
was containing your negative emotion.
It’s not just forcefully disciplining yourself,
because that would be unnatural.
If you think positively all the time
and you think that’s what you should be doing,
that could be very stressful, you know, and it’s not natural.
So the most important thing is to be natural,
but also to understand how to deal with emotions.
So let me ask you a couple of questions.
Okay.
And answer them intuitively.
- Don’t think too much, okay? - Okay.
So on a scale of one to ten, how’s life?
Seven.
[Deepak] Okay, you’re thriving.
On a scale of one to ten, how satisfied are you
with your athletic performance?
I would say about same, about a seven or eight.
Okay, that’s pretty good.
So on a scale of one to ten, how is your emotional life?
Emotional, four.
[screams]
That... you’re suffering there.
Emotionally, you’re suffering.
So it looks like everything is working for you
except your emotional well-being,
which of course, affects everything, right?
Every emotion that you have
somehow triggers a response in the body.
And looking out over my entire career
dating back to well before playing in the NBA,
whether it was college, high school,
I was always counted out.
[Commentator 1] Draymond Green is not a top 20 defender.
[Commentator 2] All right.
[Commentator 1] I don’t care what he is, his opinion.
[Commentator 2] Would you call him a great athlete?
Because I don’t see great athleticism.
- Do you? - [Commentator 1] No.
[Commentator 3] Is he a superstar? Absolutely not.
We all know who that is. You know, it's Steph Curry.
[Draymond] And those were the things that fueled me.
Everyone saying what I couldn’t do.
And so in my mind, I was like, always the guy who like,
I’m not supposed to be here.
And with that becomes a certain aura
that you kind of carry with you.
And once you beat the odds,
once you overcome everything they said you couldn’t do
and you continue to carry that same aura,
- it becomes distasteful. - Yes.
Rage was a part of your identity, right?
[screams]
One hundred precent.
You know, I go on a floor and...
Like, no matter what,
no matter who gets in the way, it’s coming out.
But it’s emotionally draining.
But there are subtleties to rage.
There’s a difference between anger and hostility.
Anger as a release can be okay.
It’s like laughter can be a release.
Sleep can be a release.
Hostility, on the other hand, is the desire for revenge
or desire to get even.
That is a dangerous emotion, but anger is okay
as long as you don’t carry it with you.
I know you’re a basketball player, so you know
that there are moments when you’re playing
where you lose all sense of self.
- Have you experienced that? - Absolutely.
Let’s go!
Have you experienced you lose all sense of time?
Absolutely.
Do you move in anticipation without thinking?
There’s no resistance, there’s no anticipation,
there’s no memory.
This is the secret: inner stillness
and outer dynamic activity at the same time.
This is what the great spiritual traditions call flow.
You’ve heard the expression to be "in the zone," right?
Absolutely.
So that word, to be in the zone comes from
to be zen-like.
And zen is actually a derivative
of another word called "chan", which means meditation.
So meditation is not how to change your mind.
But meditation is to go beyond the mind to that place
of stillness where it doesn’t matter
what’s happening around you.
Chaos. Confusion.
The crowd is screaming.
But you’re totally independent of that, you’re right there
in the moment and flow.
So I think we should do a little practice together.
I’d love to.
[Deepak] Meditation ultimately is a way to get
to the source of thought.
Go beyond the secret passages,
the dark alleys and the ghost filled attics
of the conditioned mind.
So, Draymond, this is good.
Keep your feet firmly planted on the ground.
Hands open.
Okay, so let’s close the eyes.
We’ll start with just observing the breath.
You don’t have to do anything, just be aware of the sensation.
Let go and flow.
Now, bring your awareness to your heart
in the middle of your chest.
And without moving your lips or your tongue
mentally ask the following questions.
Who am I?
[Deepak] Second question.
What do I want?
Third question.
What is my calling, what is my purpose?
Last and final question, which will open the door to abundance.
What am I grateful for?
Now let it all go
and mentally repeat your full name to yourself.
I’m Draymond...
[Announcer] Draymond Green!
Presence, awareness, being.
That’s who we are.
Before we come out,
feel your body from the inside out
and we are going to plant some intentions in the body.
Now bring your awareness
into your heart in the middle of your chest
and the intention:
loving, compassionate heart.
Loving, compassionate heart.
Now bring your awareness into your third eye
in the middle of your eyebrows.
Let your awareness now expand outside
the boundaries of your skin,
let your awareness pervade all of space and time.
Bring your awareness back into your body.
- How do you feel? - Feel good.
You feel good?
Relaxed, like...
Can you feel this presence of your own self?
Yes.
See, that’s who we are, the presence.
Everything else comes and goes. The world comes and goes.
The body changes. The mind changes.
Moods come and go.
But that stillness inside.
So from now on, any time you feel stressed,
just do a hand gesture like this.
And mentally say the word, uh-hum.
- Uh-hum? - Yeah, that’s it.
[Draymond] Finding that balance, I think,
has always been a challenge for me in life.
And I actually felt like, just like there in that moment
with no worry of anything else going on around,
just grounded in that moment.
And I think that’s not something that I can say
I’ve always felt.
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Basketball has been a huge part of my life since I can remember.
I come from a basketball family.
We play basketball. We watch basketball.
It’s a part of who I am.
He grew up in one of the tougher cities
in our state, and it wasn’t easy growing up.
[Draymond] You grew up in Saginaw,
returning home every day is a task.
I know so many guys that never return home whether that was...
they didn’t return home because they went to prison.
They didn’t return home because of death.
And when you grow up that way,
it builds a certain toughness, a certain type of person.
You never lose the experiences
that took place in Saginaw that make up
the person that you see here today.
Like, you never lose that.
But you do grow from that.
You do grow sometimes away from that.
[Tom] I don’t think he ever wants to be
the flashy white collar guy.
He wants to be the grungy, blue collar guy.
And he doesn’t want to get soft
because success sometimes makes you soft.
And that is a word, I’m afraid to say that word in front of him
because he might come after me.
- Hello. - Hi, welcome.
Thank you.
My name is Devi Brown, and I’m a well-being educator.
I’m an author and I’m a mom.
There are so many particular experiences
that athletes have over the course of their lives
that lead them to who they are.
And I think it’s so interesting because athletes
as celebrated as they are, as powerful as they are,
as successful as many are,
they are not really given this space
to be fully known to themselves or to other people.
How was your session with Deepak yesterday?
It was great.
- It’s my first time meditating. - Oh.
And I kind of...
Got a little lost in the moment,
which I’m told is great, so it went really well.
That piece that you experienced
is what in meditation is called the gap.
So it is really like this sweet spot that exists
in-between one thought and the next thought.
That is where the highest potential of your life exists.
You are in command of your power in each moment.
You’re also in command of your energy.
You’re not leaking energy anywhere.
Well, that’s great.
I think there’s a lot of wasted energy.
Where does your energy go now?
I try not to allow people
to necessarily affect my energy
or to cast their energy upon mine,
but the reality is, I think you definitely take on...
especially being in a position we’re in, like
everyone makes their problem your problem.
And I think with that...
You’re definitely...
You know, if their energy is bad,
you’re taking on some of that.
You’re not allowed to just say,
all right, I’m just done with that guy.
It is what it is.
You may very well need that guy to win.
You have to try to understand how a guy’s feeling,
you have to try to understand what makes this guy tick.
You have to try to understand
when that guy’s bothered by something
and doing all that, that’s a lot of emotion.
There are times where it completely just pushes me
to my boiling point and I explode.
[Devi] Are you looked at as the problem solver?
[Draymond] I am looked at as the problem solver.
However, I am also at times looked at as the problem.
And that’s kind of the plot twist.
[Announcer] Green, technical foul. He’s gone.
Prior to basketball,
when was the first time that you noticed
you had to be responsible for other people’s emotions?
You know, when I was growing up my mom,
she would always say, when I get in trouble in school,
be a leader.
Get kicked out of the recreation center,
be a leader.
What I grew to realize is that I had some
natural leadership qualities.
Definitely at a young age like, really doesn’t
dawn on you that, like, you’re shouldering more responsibility
than you maybe even should be.
In some of what I was hearing around the leadership,
it was actually two things happening.
I was hearing someone who is a leader also reckoning
with the responsibility of leadership.
[Draymond] That session with Devi, it was just extremely therapeutic.
Deepak was a more cerebral, and chill
and like dissecting the brain almost
whereas Devi was almost
dissecting the heart.
[Interviewer] Talk about just like a little bit of where you are,
I mean, like we’re saying, had a pretty busy off-season.
I mean, it’s not been much of an off season.
It hasn’t.
One month.
[Interviewer] Til training camp.
Training camp one month. First game six weeks.
It’s a big year for me.
I want to be an All-Star again.
I want to win defensive player of the year again,
and obviously I want to win a championship.
That goes without saying but...
It’s a big year for me.
[Reporter] Draymond Green is not here at Media Day today,
and he might miss the first
one or two days of practice training camp, which starts
tomorrow for an excused personal absence.
This morning, around 5:00 a.m.,
I saw a text message that said that he canceled
and that we have not been able to be in touch with him
or have communication with him.
Overarchingly, I hope that he is okay
and I hope that everyone is okay.
[Reporter] Bob said yesterday that Draymond will probably
be back in a few days.
Do you have a better idea of when he will be back?
Like maybe tomorrow or the day after?
Do you have any more clarity on that?
I do not.
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- Hello. - Hi.
How are you?
Good. Welcome, welcome.
Hmm.
Happy to be back.
[Draymond] Likewise, likewise.
Much needed. Absolutely.
How have things been? Sit down.
Um... A little crazy.
- Yeah? - To say the least.
What’s been happening since I last saw you?
Since you last saw me... we were supposed to meet
about five weeks ago...
And my daughter went into the hospital.
My daughter was having seizures.
[Devi] Wow.
Over and over and over again.
And what was thought to be like, oh, you know, we’ll get there
we’ll figure it out ended up being a nine day stay.
Which was...
Which was brutal.
And so in turn, I was late for camp.
Even with being late for camp,
and now looking back on it, I definitely rushed back to camp
when she was out of the hospital.
Like when I went back to practice,
I was... every little thing, just snappy at everything.
You know, like Coach Kerr say this, I’m like...
I don’t want to hear that, you know?
Everything was bothering me.
But that’s because I hadn’t quite processed
what I needed to process with the situation.
And so it’s just a carry over.
Do you get to feel your feelings enough?
Because, you know, part of when you come into that space,
when you have a big life that "keep going,"
it’s ingrained in you.
It’s your natural way of being.
I know for me at least, I can’t speak for everyone,
but you definitely don’t tap into those feelings as much.
What were some of those feelings that didn’t get a chance
to emerge when you found out what was happening,
when you were experiencing what was happening?
Fear.
Because then in that moment, right, like...
I can’t let her see me afraid.
Because she’s probably terrified.
What does fear feel like when it’s inside of you?
Fear for me feels weakening.
And so in turn, in feeling that fear,
you’re trying not to process that fear because I need to
be in a place of, like, strength.
So many men are robbed of the opportunity
to make friends with fear,
to make friends with pain, to make friends with sadness.
Did you give yourself a chance to
cry or to feel scared?
No.
Uh-uh.
Did a part of you want to?
Uh... Yeah.
- Yeah. - For sure.
Because the reality is I was terrified.
Yeah.
Like, but I also through it, I learned more about myself
and talking with my mother.
Uh, I took seizure medications until I was 28 years old.
Wow.
I haven’t had one since I was 13 years old,
but I was on medications ’til I was 28.
And I have some bad ones as a child,
like I had one seizure for an hour and 30 minutes.
Oh my God.
I think one of the challenges when dealing with all
of these things is like actually staying in that moment,
figuring it out.
Feeling the moment, like that is the challenge.
So what we’re walking into right now is
we’re going to do some corona Reiki.
And Reiki is a beautiful healing energy.
And so what I’ll do is I’m going to place some hands on you
and send some energy down to you.
You’ll just be fully relaxed.
You may feel it. You may not.
Every experience is different,
but whether it’s felt or isn’t, the energy is moving through you
and it’s going where it needs to go
to help heal and remove any emotional blockages,
heal physical symptoms or ailments.
It’s a really, really beautiful, ancient energy system.
I’m going to just walk around you with a little bit
of this scent, so just take in a few deep breaths.
[Draymond] I think it helped a lot
that you’re submerged into peace,
like this very peaceful, serene setting,
quiet, relaxed, chill.
Take a deep breath. Figure it all out, like...
be present in this moment.
When you’re ready, gently open your eyes.
You can release your hands.
How do you feel?
Present.
I feel good.
All right, let’s go meditate.
Today, I felt refreshed.
Because it...
After such a long break to kind of...
get back with Devi on some of those principles
that I can’t quite just pick up myself like that.
To reconnect and...
Talk about some real life shit that’s like going on,
you know, and being able to talk through that
and it lead to other conversations.
I thought today was incredible.
All right.
I am honored today to have a guest who I have
the utmost respect for,
a guy who I had the honor of growing up
watching him play.
Metta World Peace, man.
Thank you Metta for coming on to the show.
It’s an honor to have you on, brother.
[Metta] Same here, man, it is an honor to be here.
Growing up,
I always would cheer for the Lakers
because I loved Kobe and Shaq.
Then obviously they split up and I’m like,
man, I still love Kobe. I love that dawg.
And then you go have that moment in game seven.
[Announcer] Artest... that’s a three. Bam!
Lakers by six with a minute to play.
One of the biggest moments
I personally think from that moment was afterwards.
You said you wanted to shout out your therapist.
I definitely want to thank my doctor, Dr. Sandy,
my psychiatrist. She really helped me relax.
I was in college when this happened.
And I laughed.
Like, how, what? I...
What?
He mentioned his therapist during the interview.
Ha ha ha ha! I laughed.
It’s Metta World Peace. He talks shit.
He gets into guys. He’s elbowing guys.
Tough as nails.
And the first thing he mentions is his therapist?
If it did nothing else,
it made you further your understanding.
And he started to trail blaze a path.
What gave you the confidence or made you want to speak on that?
That’s actually true, man, confidence because
at that time your most vulnerable states,
one would take that for weakness and things like that.
And I just felt like the strength was in,
you know, improving yourself.
The strength was in being vulnerable.
And that’s what’s going to help other people,
you know, that’s going through things
and don’t really know quite how to get through it.
You know, when you’re trying to improve yourself, that’s big.
And I just wanted to give credit where credit was due
because for me, the game was everything to me.
And how can you be effective on the court,
if you're not focused, though? That’s like sports therapy.
Now, that’s a beautiful thing, and I...
I want to say thank you for having the bravery
that you had to come out to speak on that.
Now I think we have three mental health professionals
now on staff.
There in, at least one of them’s in at least
once or twice a week.
And I think it’s a beautiful thing
because you hear so many people in our league...
- go through it. - Yup.
And so many people suppress it.
Metta, again, I just want to say thank you
for coming on to this podcast, for sharing your light
and the way you’ve led for...
for guys like myself coming behind you
and you really set a path in this NBA
for guys to attack the things that they need to attack.
And we appreciate you.
Thanks a lot, man. I really appreciate being on with you.
It was an honor.
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[Reporter 1] The NBA season is here.
The Warriors are set to make another run
at a title beginning tonight.
[Reporter 2] The Warriors are 17 and two.
[Reporter 3] The Warriors are on a eight game winning streak.
[Reporter 2] They have been pulverizing.
[Reporter 4] They look like the best team in basketball.
[Reporter 5] Draymond Green is infused with a new energy.
[Reporter 6] Draymond Green is the quarterback of this team.
The story of the year so far in the NBA,
I believe is the Golden State Warriors.
As long as they are healthy.
If they are healthy, they will contend
for a championship, said and done.
[Rick] Stay committed to that left leg.
Yes, good, reinforce that.
[Draymond] Yes, sir.
Nice and strong down here nice and relaxed up top.
Good.
[Reporter 1] Warriors forward Draymond Green
says he now expects to be out for another three to four weeks
due to the lower back injury
that’s already sidelined him for 14 games.
[Reporter 2] Draymond Green was named as a reserve for the NBA
All-Star game today,
but his slow to heal back injury is going to keep him
on the sidelines for the All-Star festivities.
[Rick] Draymond right now is dealing with a...
you know... what started as a very concerning injury.
This has been a challenge for Draymond
and for me and for all of us again
because of the nature of the injury.
There’s not a set timeline.
Stay there, stay there. Don’t let it fall.
It’s going to be a tough one. Hold.
It can be very isolating and it’s... it’s quiet in here.
You know, we a lot of times it’s just the two of us
and that can be challenging at times.
- Oh! - Let’s go.
It’s a very holistic, integrated model
that that includes, you know, the physical and the mental.
You start to realize that it is sort of a 360 degree approach.
And considering everything you know on the court
but also off the court
and not just in the training room or the gym, but also,
you know, lifestyle and what’s happening at home
and understanding all the different stressors
our players have to deal with.
Good work, man.
[Draymond] Coming into the season,
and dealing, you know, with things with my daughter,
that was already a little weird.
And then I had COVID.
And then shortly after having COVID
is when the injury happened.
I think there are days that you wake up and
like you immediately know, like you’re not there.
How do you get there?
And I think that’s
one of the biggest things for me is being able to identify
when I’m not centered and knowing that.
Whoo!
Fuckin’ go.
Like, if I can go back and draw from my day
with Deepak, I can hear, still hear in my mind
him speaking on self awareness.
And totally losing myself in that moment.
I definitely can see the benefit.
- I can feel the benefit. - Yeah, Dray.
In large part, due to me just being so centered
and not falling into the whole,
feeling sorry for myself trap.
Coming back!
- Ready? Go.
Out and run, coming back.
- Let’s go, Rickster. - Let’s go.
Coming back!
But only really allow myself mentally to go to embracing
the process ahead of me.
Where am I now on a scale of one to ten?
From an emotional state...
I’d say I’m at a nine. Eight, nine.
I think I am in as good a place as I’ve ever been.
And you know, the things that would have moved you,
like to be able to get past those things
and they don’t move you off your square.
It’s a big deal for me.
I’ll tell you, the most rewarding part of it all
is I’ve had people like Rick, Bob Myers, Coach Kerr like
come to me and say, like, you’re in such a great space.
[Rick] Honest to God, Dray.
Like, it’s glaringly noticeable.
For real.
You know, it’s the sessions, it’s the experiences.
You take all of these things
and you put them into one person.
And you have so much to draw from.
You get a person that understands that
they have reached new heights.
But most importantly, you get a person that understands that
that work always has to continue and it never ends.
Some people would think, "Oh, that’s the end of it for you."
For me, it’s the beginning
because the work still continues.
The work is nowhere near done.
And so for me, it’s the beginning of the beginning.
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