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- [Corre] When I
was a young kid,

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my parents weren't kind of
considered so much as iconic.

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They were considered
as anti-establishment.

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They were considered as scum,

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and some people thought
they were geniuses.

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It wasn't like it is now.

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My mother is a
national treasure.

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[dramatic rhythmic music]

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[tools clanging]

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[workers murmuring]

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[suspenseful orchestral music]

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- Get the others.

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[suspenseful orchestral music]

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- Ssh.

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Coast clear.

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- Just a few people control
the world's economy.

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They keep you trapped in debt.

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I can get money off this card.

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I'm working here to
pay the interest.

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That's how they make money.

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The world's bankrupt and
they're wrecking our planet.

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- There are all
these poor people

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and just a few billionaires
and trillionaires.

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They're ripping us off.

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All caused by the
rotten money system.

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They're squeezing the poor

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and giving all the
money to the rich.

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We all work for them.

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How can we get the whole
world to understand

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they're being ripped off?

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Grab their attention,

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challenge them to think
about what they really value

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and save the planet.

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[dramatic orchestral music]

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- [Corre] My father Malcolm
used to like to portray himself

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as a kind of modern-day
Fagin kind of character,

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with everyone around him
as one of his urchins.

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Played the role like he
was always on the run,

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always one step ahead of
the law or the bailiffs,

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and that's how he portrayed
himself in his film

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"The Great Rock
'n' Roll Swindle."

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[suspenseful music]

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- We have got a lot of stuff.

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It's quite an impressive
amount of stuff we've got.

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- Yeah.
- Really.

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- When punk first started,
the hairstyles were so mad.

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The people had the most
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and I remember going to a
party and nobody could move,

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and there are all these people.

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There's a girl in front of
me with a fringe down to here

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and I couldn't see her at all.

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Long black hair and a fringe,

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and you just couldn't
see where her eyes were.

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And people with the most
mad, curly, spiral hair

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and all kinds of things.

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It was absolutely great.

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But, anyway, and then
it all kind of petrified

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into the punk look that
you see on a little duck

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that you float in the bath,

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and there's one of the queen
that you can float in the bath

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and she's got a crown

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and the punk's got a Mohican

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and a red T-shirt
on or something.

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But anyway, it's all
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- Yeah, uniform.

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- Uniform.
- From whatever,

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the icon punk.

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- All this has got to today,

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you know, you've got punk
beer and punk credit cards.

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- Oh yeah.

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Considering it was-
- Punk rock McDonald's.

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- Taken to court when
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it is ironic that now
it's on Mastercard.

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- Really?

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- Yeah.
- That's incredible, isn't it?

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- [Ben] Mm-hmm.

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- Oh, I see.

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"Never Mind the Bollocks,
Here's the Sex Pistols."

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Virgin Mastercard.

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Yeah.

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That's the Virgin cred.

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The Sex Pistols
and the bollocks.

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[anticipatory orchestral music]

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- Now, this is funny
'cause this is Malcolm

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sending a letter into
the "Melody Maker."

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It says, "In view of articles

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written in your paper
about my production,

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'The Great Rock 'n'
Roll Swindle' film,

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the film's original title,
'Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle,'

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its theme, script,
construction, attitude,

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and above all,
style, was my own.

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The Sex Pistols trial
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the writing of that script,

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the production of the film,

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and the money
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The script bore my name
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by Lydon's lawyers as an
indictment of my ideas.

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They made the comment that it
was filth written by Satan,

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harmful to John
Lydon's new image.

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The judge asked if
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He replied, 'I've changed.'

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As a result, the court seized
my company and the film.

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Unwilling to work under
the auspices of the court

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to take into
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and unwilling most of all
to have Virgin Records

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seize 25% of a film they
had nothing to do with

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by donating 150,000 pounds
of Sex Pistols royalties,

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Jones, Cook and Lydon
and agreed to it.

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It was their last and
most pathetic performance.

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I decided to withdraw my name
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both as a producer and writer.

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Jamie Reid withdrew his
name too from the credits

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for similar reasons to my own."

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And they've given
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LP Winner for
Flogging a Dead Horse.

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- That just shows you the
jealousy of the press.

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It means that
Malcolm was dangerous

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and they don't like
dangerous people

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and they don't like people
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more avant garde than
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uneducated people.

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When Johnny started
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the lyrics "Anarchy In The UK"

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and the lyrics of
"God Save the Queen"

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and "your future dream
is a shopping scheme"

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and "I want to be anarchy,"

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at that point, Johnny,
I think, was fantastic.

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He was really fabulous.

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He was really going for it.

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It was like revolution to
him and he really meant it.

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And then at a certain point,

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like as you say, he's been
led astray by Malcolm,

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but no, he was into it.

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I believed in him.

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I really did.

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And I find it disappointing
that his role today

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is to just try to
stay on this pedestal

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and look like he's
good at spitting.

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I mean, that's about
his claim to rebellion.

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I got out of punk
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it was actually a
marketing opportunity,

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and the main thing
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isn't England this
wonderful free society?

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It's got all these rebels.

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And so there you are, Johnny
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You're a punk and you're proof

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that we live in a free society.

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[drummer tapping a cadence]

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- Malcolm McLaren wanted
to cause maximum chaos,

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and he just giggled through
the absurdity of it all.

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He was just like a
kid who wanted to take

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the bottom tin of beans
from a supermarket display

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to see them tumble.

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Lots of disturbed adolescents
got into punk rock.

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I mean, Steve Jones
was disturbed.

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McLaren was disturbed.

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I was very disturbed.

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Most of the stars
were, actually.

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In fact, I think that's
why people go on stage,

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'cause they're
crippled in some way.

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People got all this energy out

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and I'd have killed someone

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if I hadn't been
in Tenpole Tudor,

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'cause all that
aggression, you get it out,

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but not in an aggressive way.

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You don't have to hit
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so it's a terrific therapy.

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- My name is Jordan.

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I worked with Malcolm
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in their shop in 430 Kings
Road for several years.

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I would say probably
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we're like a kind of perfect
storm, and we, in a way,

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created the whole scene
of punk in that time.

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The relevance of punk today

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I don't think is
necessarily aesthetic.

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I think it's more
of a mind issue.

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I would hope the legacy would
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both men and women,

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'cause I feel that at
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'75, '76, '77, maybe '78,

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it created an
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men and women, could feel equal,

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and I don't think
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can ever buy anything like that.

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I think it's to do
with individuality.

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And as I said before,

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I think it's all to do
with how your mind is.

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- I just really
believed in Malcolm

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because we were both rebels

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and I was just so disgusted
about the human rights,

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about the Vietnam War,
and about killing,

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and I wanted to change the
world then just so bad.

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Anarchy, that was me.

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I invented this sign, anarchy-

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- [Corre] What do you mean
you invented the sign anarchy?

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- Well, apparently,
this A in the circle

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is what I decided
was the anarchy sign.

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It's still used as it.

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You've got "ban the
bomb" in a circle.

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- [Corre] You invented that?

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You put the A in the circle?

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- Yeah, of course.
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a really old thing.

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Is that you that invented it?
- No, I did that.

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My idea of anarchy was
that the older generation

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had just totally made a
disaster of everybody's life

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and the life of
everybody in the world,

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and it was just
this mismanagement

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and this destructive,

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power-driven people
that ruled the world.

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And the idea of
anarchy is we will not

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let this older generation ever,

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we've got to do something.

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But Malcolm wasn't
really in it for that.

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He just hated the
older generation,

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'cause like I said,
he hated his mother,

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and he had a terrible
ego, Malcolm,

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and anybody that was powerful,

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he automatically
didn't like them.

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He didn't like Richard
Branson for that very reason.

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And I'd just come to
what Malcolm used to say

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about "never trust a hippie."

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In 1968, there were all
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and Malcolm got
all excited by that

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and was following them.

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I was living in a caravan
in Wales looking after you

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and they were supposed to be
burning the American flag,

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and he was really pissed off

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because they didn't even
practice setting fire to a flag.

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And when they wanted to try
and burn it, they couldn't,

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and I think Malcolm managed it
in the end by emptying petrol

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from some lighters onto
it and making it set fire.

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They just had a box of
matches and it wouldn't work,

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and I don't know, but anyway,

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but he got the idea

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that he wanted some
sort of revolution.

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He didn't like hippies
because he just thought

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they were soppy or
whatever the word is.

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I know he really
brought that phrase out

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when he got involved
with Richard Branson,

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and that's when that came out

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because Richard Branson
was a powerful person,

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and in fact he
actually took over

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The Sex Pistols in the end
when they all fell out.

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[person singing into cone]

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["Peer Gynt Suite
No. 1 Morning"]

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- What's this hotel got
to do with punk rock?

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Why are we in this flash hotel?

253
00:12:55,513 --> 00:12:56,471
It's jolly nice but it's
got nothing to do with punk.

254
00:12:56,645 --> 00:12:57,515
- We always have a good time.

255
00:12:57,689 --> 00:12:58,603
It's to let go, isn't it?

256
00:12:58,778 --> 00:13:00,431
You know.

257
00:13:00,605 --> 00:13:03,652
- As part of the punk rock
celebrations of punk London,

258
00:13:03,826 --> 00:13:06,742
40 years of "Anarchy in the UK,"

259
00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:09,614
they are doing the Anarch-Tea.

260
00:13:10,702 --> 00:13:12,704
Part of their
marketing department's-

261
00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:14,968
- One of the grandest
hotels in the West End.

262
00:13:15,142 --> 00:13:17,100
- This is what they're
putting on for everyone.

263
00:13:17,274 --> 00:13:19,929
- And that is where
we got to, folks.

264
00:13:20,103 --> 00:13:24,238
Marco, they got one of your
old singles on this cake stand.

265
00:13:24,412 --> 00:13:25,413
- [Alan] Horrible.

266
00:13:25,587 --> 00:13:26,762
- Adam Ant.

267
00:13:26,936 --> 00:13:28,285
- Is it?
- "Stand and Deliver."

268
00:13:28,459 --> 00:13:29,286
- Really?

269
00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:30,157
Is it?

270
00:13:30,331 --> 00:13:31,593
- Yeah.

271
00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:32,681
That's where you've
ended up, mate.

272
00:13:32,855 --> 00:13:34,074
You've ended up on a cake stand.

273
00:13:34,248 --> 00:13:35,815
[all laugh]

274
00:13:35,989 --> 00:13:38,121
You mustn't forget
how funny Malcolm was.

275
00:13:38,295 --> 00:13:39,253
- He was hilarious.
- Most of the time,

276
00:13:39,427 --> 00:13:40,950
he was laughing.

277
00:13:41,124 --> 00:13:43,735
Talk, laugh, and everyone
was laughing with him,

278
00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:45,781
'cause he used to take us out

279
00:13:45,955 --> 00:13:47,522
and he'd be surrounded
by a load of people

280
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in let's say the Green Man
by Great Portland Street,

281
00:13:50,568 --> 00:13:52,744
having these ideas on the
run, "And then, and then,"

282
00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:54,398
and laughing at his own ideas.

283
00:13:54,572 --> 00:13:55,573
It was sort of like a riff.

284
00:13:55,747 --> 00:13:56,748
- "You, write a song."

285
00:13:56,923 --> 00:13:57,837
"What?"

286
00:13:58,011 --> 00:14:00,274
"You, design some clothes now."

287
00:14:00,448 --> 00:14:01,623
- That's right.

288
00:14:01,797 --> 00:14:02,842
- "You, ride a motorcycle."

289
00:14:03,016 --> 00:14:04,191
"But I've never..."

290
00:14:04,365 --> 00:14:05,845
"Just do it."

291
00:14:06,019 --> 00:14:08,064
- Every Saturday we'd
have the windows broken

292
00:14:08,238 --> 00:14:10,110
by the Teddy Boys going
along and we never knew-

293
00:14:10,284 --> 00:14:11,589
- [Marco] And all
the Chelsea fans-

294
00:14:11,763 --> 00:14:12,982
- And I'll always
remember we used to

295
00:14:13,156 --> 00:14:14,288
put the grills on
outside just to

296
00:14:14,462 --> 00:14:15,767
make sure it didn't happen.

297
00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:17,639
The one day we
didn't was the day

298
00:14:17,813 --> 00:14:19,206
that they always got smashed in.

299
00:14:19,380 --> 00:14:20,598
And I always remember
Vivienne was always

300
00:14:20,772 --> 00:14:22,557
sort of paying out bills,

301
00:14:22,731 --> 00:14:24,124
changing the glass.

302
00:14:24,298 --> 00:14:27,649
[glass shatters]
[dramatic guitar music]

303
00:14:27,823 --> 00:14:29,303
- [Derek] What do you
actually sell here?

304
00:14:30,173 --> 00:14:31,566
- Clothes.

305
00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:33,785
- These are cardigans
you can see through.

306
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,657
The wool is.

307
00:14:35,831 --> 00:14:37,572
- [Vivienne] These restrict
your arm movement somewhat.

308
00:14:39,052 --> 00:14:40,662
- [Derek] What's actually
wrong with what I'm wearing?

309
00:14:40,836 --> 00:14:43,491
- Mate, you look so bloody
boring, I cannot believe it.

310
00:14:43,665 --> 00:14:45,667
- [Derek] I agree
with that, yes.

311
00:14:45,841 --> 00:14:47,669
- It's a question
of how you feel.

312
00:14:47,843 --> 00:14:49,932
The point is to change
yourself, and if you change-

313
00:14:50,106 --> 00:14:51,020
- [Derek] But why?

314
00:14:51,194 --> 00:14:52,369
Why does one have to change?

315
00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:53,414
- Because then
you'll feel great.

316
00:14:53,588 --> 00:14:55,416
[discordant guitar music]

317
00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:57,897
What happened is
that the police came

318
00:14:58,071 --> 00:15:00,203
and just raided
all our T-shirts,

319
00:15:00,377 --> 00:15:02,727
and if anything had
the word "fuck" on it,

320
00:15:02,902 --> 00:15:05,121
they took the lot
of the T-shirts,

321
00:15:05,295 --> 00:15:09,604
put them all into bin liners,
and put them all in their van.

322
00:15:09,778 --> 00:15:12,607
We had T-shirts telling
you how to make bombs.

323
00:15:12,781 --> 00:15:13,695
They didn't take them.

324
00:15:13,869 --> 00:15:14,826
They only took the sex ones.

325
00:15:15,001 --> 00:15:16,480
I remember Malcolm saying,

326
00:15:16,654 --> 00:15:18,787
"If you'd have been in
Paris with that shop,

327
00:15:18,961 --> 00:15:20,223
it would've been the opposite."

328
00:15:20,397 --> 00:15:22,399
As for the swastikas
and everything,

329
00:15:22,573 --> 00:15:27,491
it was my complete antagonism
to the older generation,

330
00:15:29,015 --> 00:15:30,799
and it was, "You're all
terrible fascists anyway.

331
00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,323
We're not going to
accept your values

332
00:15:33,497 --> 00:15:35,891
nor are we going to
accept your taboos."

333
00:15:36,065 --> 00:15:40,983
And it was a way of putting
that I accepted that swastika.

334
00:15:42,245 --> 00:15:43,377
What has happened
that we got arrested

335
00:15:43,551 --> 00:15:45,466
for selling this T-shirt,

336
00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,383
and myself and Malcolm
defended it in court

337
00:15:49,557 --> 00:15:51,428
that it wasn't indecent,

338
00:15:51,602 --> 00:15:54,257
so the judge convicted us,

339
00:15:54,431 --> 00:15:58,479
and I can't remember what
the first reason was,

340
00:15:58,653 --> 00:16:03,092
but it was that the penises
were almost touching,

341
00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:05,051
therefore it was indecent.

342
00:16:06,878 --> 00:16:07,836
The first reason.

343
00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:09,664
The second reason was that.

344
00:16:09,838 --> 00:16:11,883
And the third reason
was that one man

345
00:16:12,058 --> 00:16:14,408
was tying the other's necktie.

346
00:16:14,582 --> 00:16:16,540
So, they just empty the shelves,

347
00:16:16,714 --> 00:16:19,935
'cause lots of them had
the word "fuck" on on them.

348
00:16:20,109 --> 00:16:21,937
And so I wouldn't
stop printing them.

349
00:16:22,111 --> 00:16:23,765
I kept on printing
them and printing them.

350
00:16:23,939 --> 00:16:25,549
- [Corre] I remember, yeah.

351
00:16:25,723 --> 00:16:27,377
- And they said,

352
00:16:27,551 --> 00:16:31,207
"If you do this anymore,
you'll have to go to jail."

353
00:16:31,381 --> 00:16:34,863
[discordant guitar music]

354
00:16:35,037 --> 00:16:36,343
- There's the 40th anniversary

355
00:16:36,517 --> 00:16:37,822
of the start of the
punk rock movement,

356
00:16:37,997 --> 00:16:39,563
a moment for celebration.

357
00:16:39,737 --> 00:16:41,696
There's even been a grant
from the Heritage Fund

358
00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:43,437
to help them celebrate.

359
00:16:43,611 --> 00:16:45,787
But that and the supposed
endorsement of the Queen

360
00:16:45,961 --> 00:16:47,615
and other establishment figures

361
00:16:47,789 --> 00:16:49,747
hasn't gone down very
well with everyone.

362
00:16:49,921 --> 00:16:52,707
- You'll forget, in those days,

363
00:16:54,187 --> 00:16:56,189
you would be arrested for
wearing those clothes.

364
00:16:57,407 --> 00:16:59,061
When The Sex Pistols
were Number One,

365
00:16:59,235 --> 00:17:01,455
it was actually a
blank on the charts

366
00:17:01,629 --> 00:17:05,024
because the establishment
refused to recognize it.

367
00:17:05,198 --> 00:17:08,505
- Isn't that whole era of
rebellion pretty anachronistic?

368
00:17:08,679 --> 00:17:11,160
It's passed into history
and therefore, in a sense,

369
00:17:11,334 --> 00:17:13,032
it is a sort of museum piece,

370
00:17:13,206 --> 00:17:14,642
all the memorabilia.

371
00:17:14,816 --> 00:17:16,122
- Well, I don't know.

372
00:17:16,296 --> 00:17:17,514
I guess punk rock
did become a bit of

373
00:17:17,688 --> 00:17:19,647
a tourist attraction
a long time ago,

374
00:17:19,821 --> 00:17:21,083
but those things actually meant

375
00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:24,347
something much more deep to me.

376
00:17:24,521 --> 00:17:26,436
And I'd like to invite
all the punk rockers

377
00:17:26,610 --> 00:17:28,177
and all the anarchists
from all over the world

378
00:17:28,351 --> 00:17:31,006
to come here and burn
the last fragments

379
00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,790
of what they've got, because,

380
00:17:32,964 --> 00:17:35,358
and I'd also like Boris
Johnson to light the torch,

381
00:17:35,532 --> 00:17:38,013
and he should be
quite into doing that

382
00:17:38,187 --> 00:17:39,667
because we all know

383
00:17:39,841 --> 00:17:41,408
that when he was head
of The Bullingdon Club,

384
00:17:41,582 --> 00:17:44,715
his initiation ceremony
was burning 50-pound notes

385
00:17:44,889 --> 00:17:46,195
in front of homeless people.

386
00:17:46,369 --> 00:17:47,979
- Joe Corre, thank
you very much.

387
00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:50,591
I should just say the
allegation about Boris Johnson

388
00:17:50,765 --> 00:17:53,289
burning 50-pound notes is
just that, an allegation.

389
00:17:53,463 --> 00:17:54,377
Thank you very much
for joining us.

390
00:17:54,551 --> 00:17:55,422
- Well, you would say that.

391
00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:57,815
[bright orchestral music]

392
00:17:57,989 --> 00:18:00,992
[suspenseful music]

393
00:18:02,429 --> 00:18:05,954
- Why is the establishment
promoting anti-establishment?

394
00:18:06,128 --> 00:18:09,044
I think irony and contradiction

395
00:18:09,218 --> 00:18:13,266
are key components of what
punk is about in London.

396
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,357
If the argument is kind of
punk shouldn't be commodified,

397
00:18:18,749 --> 00:18:22,927
if it's saying punk
shouldn't be put in museums,

398
00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,060
then I think you could say that

399
00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,671
about a number of other
artifacts and things.

400
00:18:27,845 --> 00:18:29,369
- None of those involved
in tonight's debates

401
00:18:29,543 --> 00:18:30,761
seem to have anything to do

402
00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:32,111
with the London
punk scene today.

403
00:18:32,285 --> 00:18:34,200
Our program is bollocks.

404
00:18:34,374 --> 00:18:38,291
We are protesting against the
corporate takeover of punk.

405
00:18:38,465 --> 00:18:40,031
Basically punk is a subculture

406
00:18:40,206 --> 00:18:41,946
that is constantly regenerated

407
00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:43,992
by every new generation
that comes through.

408
00:18:44,166 --> 00:18:46,037
Every new young generation

409
00:18:46,212 --> 00:18:48,083
that discovers punk
makes it their own.

410
00:18:48,257 --> 00:18:51,521
It's a fresh and vibrant
music scene, a subculture,

411
00:18:51,695 --> 00:18:54,481
an artistic and
political movement that
constantly evolves,

412
00:18:54,655 --> 00:18:57,397
has continued throughout the
last 40 years since the '70s.

413
00:18:57,571 --> 00:18:59,573
This yearlong
exhibition of punk,

414
00:18:59,747 --> 00:19:01,140
which is state-sponsored,

415
00:19:01,314 --> 00:19:03,098
endorsed by Boris
Johnson, of all people,

416
00:19:03,272 --> 00:19:04,795
and are funded by
the National Lottery,

417
00:19:04,969 --> 00:19:07,885
goes against everything
that punk was and punk is.

418
00:19:08,059 --> 00:19:11,019
Everything that is the
essence of punk rebellion,

419
00:19:11,193 --> 00:19:12,760
street culture,

420
00:19:12,934 --> 00:19:14,588
doesn't have anything to
do with being in a museum.

421
00:19:14,762 --> 00:19:15,719
It's to do with the streets.

422
00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:17,504
Punk should be on the streets.

423
00:19:17,678 --> 00:19:20,420
- [Host] Can you give a warm
welcome to our chair and panel?

424
00:19:20,594 --> 00:19:21,334
Thank you.

425
00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:24,728
[attendees cheering]

426
00:19:24,902 --> 00:19:26,730
- Richard,

427
00:19:26,904 --> 00:19:28,515
why do you think people think
that punk music in particular

428
00:19:28,689 --> 00:19:31,474
is bigger than history?

429
00:19:31,648 --> 00:19:33,041
- It's not bigger than history.

430
00:19:33,215 --> 00:19:34,477
It's part of history.

431
00:19:34,651 --> 00:19:36,044
You know,

432
00:19:36,218 --> 00:19:39,308
while we worry about
Daesh bombing Palmyra,

433
00:19:39,482 --> 00:19:41,310
quite rightly worrying,

434
00:19:41,484 --> 00:19:46,402
equally we should worry about
burning punk archives, sir.

435
00:19:47,011 --> 00:19:48,622
[audience claps]

436
00:19:48,796 --> 00:19:50,101
- Nevermind the bollocks.

437
00:19:50,276 --> 00:19:52,321
[audience laughs]

438
00:19:52,495 --> 00:19:56,195
- The thing is that
if it's his to burn,

439
00:19:56,369 --> 00:19:57,283
it's his to burn.

440
00:19:57,457 --> 00:19:59,023
If you want to talk about punk,

441
00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,200
it's a talk about freedom

442
00:20:01,374 --> 00:20:04,464
and it's a talk about
being individual

443
00:20:04,638 --> 00:20:08,163
and deciding your
future for yourself.

444
00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:11,122
- Punk, to me, that's
something that's dangerous,

445
00:20:11,297 --> 00:20:13,995
that can have an effect, that
can actually change something,

446
00:20:14,169 --> 00:20:16,215
that can create a social change,

447
00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:19,479
and all it's becoming
today is another conformity

448
00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:23,091
in another uniform that
sits next to Beefeaters.

449
00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:27,313
And the whole thing could not
work without the acquiescence

450
00:20:27,487 --> 00:20:30,838
of all these self-appointed
experts that continue this myth.

451
00:20:31,012 --> 00:20:33,232
You can't tell this
lie to young people.

452
00:20:33,406 --> 00:20:35,103
It's a lie.

453
00:20:35,277 --> 00:20:37,584
- Can I just say that I don't
think any of you are punk.

454
00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:39,586
No, there are no
punks in this room.

455
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,502
The only punk thing
left about London

456
00:20:42,676 --> 00:20:44,243
as "The Guardian"
know, as Joe knows,

457
00:20:44,417 --> 00:20:46,854
and everyone else in the
room is WikiLeaks, right?

458
00:20:47,028 --> 00:20:50,031
It's the only thing punk left
in London is Julian Assange.

459
00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:51,162
- I'll absolutely
agree with you there.

460
00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:52,947
- [Lismore] And he's not here.

461
00:20:53,121 --> 00:20:54,862
- There was punk danger.

462
00:20:55,036 --> 00:20:56,603
There was a revolution.

463
00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:59,823
The establishment was
shitting themselves, right?

464
00:20:59,997 --> 00:21:02,173
That doesn't happen anymore.

465
00:21:02,348 --> 00:21:03,044
- [Speaker] Thanks
very much. Jennifer.

466
00:21:03,218 --> 00:21:04,524
[audience cheering]

467
00:21:04,698 --> 00:21:08,571
- You're here coining it
in as a punk professor

468
00:21:08,745 --> 00:21:10,878
perpetuating this
idea of young people,

469
00:21:11,052 --> 00:21:12,619
which I think is shameful,

470
00:21:12,793 --> 00:21:15,883
that somehow punk is still
gonna get 'em out of this mess.

471
00:21:16,057 --> 00:21:18,189
- You want punk.
- You know equality.

472
00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:20,496
You're establishment.

473
00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:23,107
So you can bind yourselves up.

474
00:21:24,065 --> 00:21:26,285
- Okay, punk, in it's first-

475
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:28,983
Excuse me, everybody.

476
00:21:29,157 --> 00:21:30,724
- I don't know where the idea

477
00:21:30,898 --> 00:21:33,727
that interrupting is punk 'cause
it's actually really rude.

478
00:21:35,337 --> 00:21:36,556
- They cut me off.

479
00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:39,123
[audience laughs]

480
00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,387
- You were a little kid
when I first met you.

481
00:21:41,561 --> 00:21:42,779
You were down here, all right?

482
00:21:42,953 --> 00:21:44,303
[audience laughs]

483
00:21:44,477 --> 00:21:48,829
[panelists speaking
over each other]

484
00:21:54,487 --> 00:21:55,357
- [Panel Peer] I'm
taking this from him

485
00:21:55,531 --> 00:21:57,141
because he is being a bully.

486
00:21:57,316 --> 00:22:01,102
He's talking over me like,
please, finish your thing.

487
00:22:02,495 --> 00:22:04,758
- [Bob] And you're listening
to Resonance 104.4 FM.

488
00:22:04,932 --> 00:22:06,803
Mr. Joe Corre has
joined us in the studio.

489
00:22:06,977 --> 00:22:09,284
- There's an opportunity-
- Joe!

490
00:22:11,591 --> 00:22:13,462
There's a few other
things going on

491
00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:15,290
in the world right now, man.

492
00:22:15,464 --> 00:22:18,249
- And I can't actually see
any punk rockers standing up

493
00:22:18,424 --> 00:22:19,947
and saying anything about it.

494
00:22:20,121 --> 00:22:21,731
They're all kind of going
along with this thing

495
00:22:21,905 --> 00:22:25,300
with their hands out for a bowl
of gruel hoping to get a job

496
00:22:25,474 --> 00:22:29,173
kind of advising some museum
or establishment or another

497
00:22:29,348 --> 00:22:31,132
about their collection
or something.

498
00:22:33,264 --> 00:22:35,789
- He is destroying
our youth culture.

499
00:22:35,963 --> 00:22:37,660
For him to burn something

500
00:22:37,834 --> 00:22:42,317
that's valued at five million
pounds is utterly vulgar.

501
00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:45,755
[energetic rock music]

502
00:22:47,017 --> 00:22:51,370
- Where he's coming from
is a whole bunch of hurt

503
00:22:51,544 --> 00:22:53,546
in himself and in his heart

504
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,939
and he's kind of
expressing it in that way.

505
00:22:56,113 --> 00:22:58,812
He's kind of taken
it really personally,

506
00:22:58,986 --> 00:23:03,947
but as I said, I think
right from the start,

507
00:23:04,687 --> 00:23:06,472
punk was commodified,

508
00:23:06,646 --> 00:23:09,257
and his father was
probably very much

509
00:23:09,431 --> 00:23:11,999
a part of that very process.

510
00:23:12,173 --> 00:23:16,743
And I've got a book
which I've co-edited.

511
00:23:16,917 --> 00:23:19,615
It's an anthology
and it's about punk

512
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:22,879
and it's coming out
next year in March.

513
00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:26,361
[dramatic guitar music]

514
00:23:28,058 --> 00:23:30,409
- This is Ray Gange,
star of "Rude Boy."

515
00:23:30,583 --> 00:23:31,366
- How you doing?

516
00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:32,454
When it got announced,

517
00:23:32,628 --> 00:23:33,847
"Oh, the 40th anniversary,"

518
00:23:34,021 --> 00:23:35,675
and the mayor's
office were going

519
00:23:35,849 --> 00:23:37,851
to get involved
in supporting it,

520
00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:42,290
and lots of, let's say,
names from the old punk era

521
00:23:42,464 --> 00:23:44,074
were slagging that
off and talking about

522
00:23:44,248 --> 00:23:46,555
how they weren't going to
have anything to do with it.

523
00:23:46,729 --> 00:23:48,601
As events have gone on,

524
00:23:48,775 --> 00:23:50,994
they're all gradually
participating in these events

525
00:23:51,168 --> 00:23:53,040
that they weren't going to
have anything to do with.

526
00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:55,216
- [Nigel] What are
they saying now?

527
00:23:55,390 --> 00:23:57,348
- "I wish I still
had all my old stuff,

528
00:23:57,523 --> 00:23:58,915
'cause when he burns his,

529
00:23:59,089 --> 00:24:00,830
my stuff would've been
worth more money."

530
00:24:01,004 --> 00:24:03,703
[dramatic music]

531
00:24:07,141 --> 00:24:08,534
- I knew The Sex Pistols,

532
00:24:08,708 --> 00:24:10,710
some of them more
intimately than others.

533
00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:13,452
My then-boyfriend was
the original bass player

534
00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:15,279
in Adam and the Ants.

535
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,760
I was Adam's muse for
quite a long time.

536
00:24:17,934 --> 00:24:20,676
But they didn't actually have
a word for what was happening,

537
00:24:20,850 --> 00:24:23,070
so they said, "Boys
in nails varnish,

538
00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:25,028
girls dressed as whores,

539
00:24:25,202 --> 00:24:28,379
and people who look a
bit like Hell's Angels,"

540
00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:30,077
and I thought that was fantastic

541
00:24:30,251 --> 00:24:33,646
because they were
struggling to describe

542
00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,996
and contain what was happening.

543
00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:37,693
That was in October.

544
00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:39,216
Less than two months later,

545
00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:41,262
you had Bill Grundy,
December the First,

546
00:24:41,436 --> 00:24:43,786
and suddenly you
had a word, punk,

547
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,659
and you could shove that
like a label onto it all,

548
00:24:46,833 --> 00:24:47,616
and that killed it.

549
00:24:47,790 --> 00:24:49,357
That was it.

550
00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:51,533
They could shove you in
a pigeonhole, into a box.

551
00:24:51,707 --> 00:24:55,581
[Edward playing guitar melody]

552
00:25:01,761 --> 00:25:03,284
- Well, if some guy
hadn't rang me up.

553
00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,895
He said, "You know The Sex
Pistols are auditioning

554
00:25:06,069 --> 00:25:08,028
for a new singer, Ed?"

555
00:25:08,202 --> 00:25:08,985
I said, "No?"

556
00:25:10,117 --> 00:25:10,770
He says, "Yeah."

557
00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:12,206
I says, "When?"

558
00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:13,686
He said, "Tomorrow."
I said, "Where?"

559
00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:15,122
He said, "The Duke
of York's Theatre,"

560
00:25:15,296 --> 00:25:16,036
or it's one of those
West End theaters.

561
00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:17,428
I said, "What time?"

562
00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:19,256
He says, "11:30."

563
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:21,215
I said, "Thanks, mate."

564
00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:22,129
'Cause it was in the "NME."

565
00:25:22,303 --> 00:25:23,652
I didn't see the ad.

566
00:25:23,826 --> 00:25:26,002
My heart was hammering '
cause I knew I'd get it

567
00:25:27,395 --> 00:25:29,615
'cause I was so full of...

568
00:25:29,789 --> 00:25:32,313
No one had the
intensity that I had.

569
00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,837
Anyway, to cut a long story
short, McLaren was said to me,

570
00:25:35,011 --> 00:25:37,318
"I want you to write a song
called "Who Killed Bambi?"

571
00:25:37,492 --> 00:25:39,276
So, I was in my basement squat

572
00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:40,364
with damp running down the walls

573
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:42,628
in Albany Street, Regents Park,

574
00:25:42,802 --> 00:25:43,890
with my guitar,

575
00:25:46,327 --> 00:25:48,242
trying to write a song
called "Who Killed Bambi?"

576
00:25:48,416 --> 00:25:50,113
This was my first job.

577
00:25:50,287 --> 00:25:51,506
I thought, "This is nice.

578
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,507
How does he know
I can write song?"

579
00:25:52,681 --> 00:25:53,987
There's a mark of respect.

580
00:25:54,161 --> 00:25:55,858
I was strumming
away, and I thought,

581
00:25:56,032 --> 00:25:57,033
"Who killed Bambi?

582
00:25:57,207 --> 00:25:57,904
That's a good bit."

583
00:25:58,078 --> 00:25:58,992
I thought that.

584
00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:00,210
Right, that's one good bit,

585
00:26:00,384 --> 00:26:02,343
and he came 'round, and he said,

586
00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:03,300
"Well, I like that bit.

587
00:26:03,474 --> 00:26:04,475
I don't like the rest.

588
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:05,955
I'll come back in four hours."

589
00:26:07,043 --> 00:26:08,741
So, I'm carrying on.

590
00:26:08,915 --> 00:26:10,525
And I thought, "One man went
to mow. I could nick that."

591
00:26:10,699 --> 00:26:12,919
[sings indistinctly]

592
00:26:13,093 --> 00:26:15,704
So, that's where
the tune came on,

593
00:26:15,878 --> 00:26:17,271
but the words, man, I couldn't.

594
00:26:17,445 --> 00:26:19,273
I mean, I didn't know
what to write about.

595
00:26:20,709 --> 00:26:22,406
So, I wrote some words,
which they weren't very good.

596
00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:24,887
So, Vivienne came
'round to check me out,

597
00:26:25,061 --> 00:26:29,936
and she improved my
words dramatically.

598
00:26:31,459 --> 00:26:32,373
Some of them I wrote, but
most of them she wrote,

599
00:26:32,547 --> 00:26:34,244
like "Gentle, pretty thing,

600
00:26:34,418 --> 00:26:35,942
you only had one spring.

601
00:26:36,116 --> 00:26:37,944
You bravely faced the
world ready for anything.

602
00:26:39,206 --> 00:26:42,426
I'm happy that you lived
and your life is mine.

603
00:26:43,514 --> 00:26:44,603
What have I except to cry.

604
00:26:44,777 --> 00:26:45,952
Spirit, never die."

605
00:26:46,126 --> 00:26:47,344
You know, they're her words.

606
00:26:47,518 --> 00:26:48,911
Right early on she said,

607
00:26:49,085 --> 00:26:50,957
"Create your own look
and be original."

608
00:26:52,219 --> 00:26:54,395
And to me, that's still
my favorite definition.

609
00:26:55,788 --> 00:26:58,399
But you know, go to Germany
to a punk rock thing,

610
00:26:58,573 --> 00:26:59,748
they're all in uniform.

611
00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:01,924
You know, the Mohicans.

612
00:27:02,098 --> 00:27:03,839
It's strict dress code.

613
00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:06,450
The jackets, the studs.

614
00:27:07,930 --> 00:27:11,151
So, I go over, they said,
"You're not ze punk."

615
00:27:11,325 --> 00:27:12,979
"Why no spikey hair?"

616
00:27:13,153 --> 00:27:14,807
You know.

617
00:27:14,981 --> 00:27:17,418
- Well, I was just thinking
about this newspaper here,

618
00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:20,595
and it's dated Saturday,
February the Third.

619
00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:22,553
I remember the day I woke up

620
00:27:22,728 --> 00:27:25,687
and Malcolm was just coming in

621
00:27:25,861 --> 00:27:28,124
through the front
door with the paper,

622
00:27:28,298 --> 00:27:30,779
and he went like that.

623
00:27:30,953 --> 00:27:32,912
"Sid's dead. Sid's
fucking dead."

624
00:27:33,086 --> 00:27:34,478
- Oh wow.
- You know?

625
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:36,567
"I told them, if you're
gonna let him out,

626
00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:38,265
tell me first,

627
00:27:38,439 --> 00:27:39,701
'cause I knew that if
you didn't tell me first,

628
00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:41,572
his mom would get him."

629
00:27:41,747 --> 00:27:42,878
What did his mom do?

630
00:27:43,052 --> 00:27:44,271
Took him out.

631
00:27:44,445 --> 00:27:45,881
He'd just got off
heroin addiction

632
00:27:46,055 --> 00:27:48,405
by being put on
methadone in prison.

633
00:27:48,579 --> 00:27:50,407
She took him out
to a bloody party.

634
00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:53,584
Apparently, she gave him
his usual dose of heroin,

635
00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:54,977
and it killed him, so.

636
00:27:55,151 --> 00:27:56,370
- She started him-
- She's the one

637
00:27:56,544 --> 00:27:57,937
who killed him.
- When he was 14.

638
00:27:58,111 --> 00:27:59,895
- She gave him his first thing.

639
00:28:00,069 --> 00:28:02,419
- [Ben] So concerned about his
image and his public persona,

640
00:28:02,593 --> 00:28:04,465
she killed the poor fucker.

641
00:28:04,639 --> 00:28:07,294
- As a kid. I remember
making these with him.

642
00:28:07,468 --> 00:28:08,599
- Can I just see what he's like?

643
00:28:08,774 --> 00:28:09,600
- Yeah, yeah.

644
00:28:09,775 --> 00:28:11,167
- Yeah, well that's it,

645
00:28:11,341 --> 00:28:12,908
'cause his hair should
be all sticking out.

646
00:28:13,082 --> 00:28:16,782
And the thing is that this
actually looks like Sid.

647
00:28:16,956 --> 00:28:18,914
It looks ever so much like him.

648
00:28:20,524 --> 00:28:23,876
- Bits of fake fur that we cut
out into strips and glued on,

649
00:28:25,355 --> 00:28:28,097
but it was a girl doll
and we melted the tits off

650
00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:29,664
with like a hot knife.
- It's actually lost

651
00:28:29,838 --> 00:28:30,752
one little bit there.

652
00:28:30,926 --> 00:28:31,971
It needs a repair.

653
00:28:32,145 --> 00:28:34,930
Sid was completely immoral.

654
00:28:35,104 --> 00:28:37,846
He did not know the difference
between right and wrong.

655
00:28:38,020 --> 00:28:41,545
He was highly intelligent,
fantastic company,

656
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,374
sweet and lovely,
as well as mad.

657
00:28:44,548 --> 00:28:48,161
Poor old Sid, I mean, he
was his mother's victim.

658
00:28:48,335 --> 00:28:52,078
He was spoiled
when he was young.

659
00:28:52,252 --> 00:28:53,819
Meaning spoiled like ruined.

660
00:28:53,993 --> 00:28:55,342
You know, he had no chance

661
00:28:56,735 --> 00:29:01,217
of somehow making the right
choices in this world.

662
00:29:02,001 --> 00:29:02,915
He was finding out.

663
00:29:03,089 --> 00:29:04,525
He was finding out for sure.

664
00:29:06,092 --> 00:29:07,833
He was an affectionate person.

665
00:29:08,007 --> 00:29:09,399
- [Corre] Yeah, he was.

666
00:29:09,573 --> 00:29:10,923
- I don't want people to think

667
00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:14,317
that we're aggrandizing
Sid in any way.

668
00:29:14,491 --> 00:29:15,971
I don't think they should.

669
00:29:16,145 --> 00:29:18,017
He's not a role model.

670
00:29:18,191 --> 00:29:19,670
That's the last thing he is.

671
00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:23,370
[solo trumpet plays]

672
00:29:27,722 --> 00:29:29,724
- Hey, there's no royal
wedding this year.

673
00:29:29,898 --> 00:29:33,510
Instead, the establishment
are celebrating anarchy.

674
00:29:33,684 --> 00:29:35,121
Think about it for a minute.

675
00:29:37,036 --> 00:29:38,733
- It's absurd.

676
00:29:38,907 --> 00:29:42,563
- It's an opportunity
on a silver plate.

677
00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:44,043
We've got to take it.

678
00:29:45,087 --> 00:29:46,915
- What are we gonna do?

679
00:29:47,089 --> 00:29:48,656
- Money rules.

680
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:50,701
We've got to attack
the establishment.

681
00:29:50,876 --> 00:29:53,835
[suspenseful music]

682
00:29:54,009 --> 00:29:55,228
I've got an idea.

683
00:29:55,402 --> 00:29:58,013
Let's create a spectacle
to wake them up.

684
00:29:58,187 --> 00:30:00,407
The media is going to love it.

685
00:30:01,582 --> 00:30:04,019
Oh, but the people
are going to hate us.

686
00:30:05,238 --> 00:30:07,109
- We don't care about
what people think of us.

687
00:30:07,283 --> 00:30:08,937
- They don't think of us anyway.

688
00:30:11,026 --> 00:30:13,115
- Let's go talk to
the old punk upstairs.

689
00:30:13,289 --> 00:30:16,292
He made millions out
of women's knickers.

690
00:30:16,466 --> 00:30:18,860
[children yelling]

691
00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:23,517
- So, you want to
create a spectacle

692
00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:25,040
and wake everybody up?

693
00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:31,307
If you want to grab
people's attention,

694
00:30:31,481 --> 00:30:34,702
you've got to destroy
parts of their value system

695
00:30:34,876 --> 00:30:36,791
in front of their eyes.

696
00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:39,707
- How do we really
celebrate punk anarchy?

697
00:30:41,709 --> 00:30:44,407
- Burn the acetate of
"Anarchy in the UK,"

698
00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:47,367
the only one ever recorded.

699
00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:49,760
- It could be worth millions.

700
00:30:49,935 --> 00:30:52,676
- Their shock will
first turn to anger

701
00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:54,461
and soon become hatred.

702
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:57,420
Now they're all ears.

703
00:30:57,594 --> 00:31:00,336
[dramatic music]

704
00:31:05,951 --> 00:31:08,823
[record squealing]

705
00:31:16,178 --> 00:31:19,878
- Well, yes, I've done PR
for Joe for quite some time.

706
00:31:20,052 --> 00:31:21,705
You know, "Malcolm's son burns

707
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,099
five million pounds worth
of punk memorabilia,

708
00:31:24,273 --> 00:31:25,013
bum-bum-bum-bum,"

709
00:31:25,187 --> 00:31:26,797
that sort of thing,

710
00:31:26,972 --> 00:31:28,277
and I think I laced it with
a few fuck-words as well

711
00:31:28,451 --> 00:31:29,844
and I may have slightly
over-exaggerated

712
00:31:30,018 --> 00:31:31,759
and said the Queen was
backing punk London.

713
00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:35,981
[dramatic classical piano music]

714
00:31:40,681 --> 00:31:41,595
It was the perfect storm.

715
00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:43,031
You got a bit of celebrity,

716
00:31:43,205 --> 00:31:44,511
Joe being Vivienne
and Malcolm's son,

717
00:31:44,685 --> 00:31:47,035
and a complete act of anarchy,

718
00:31:47,209 --> 00:31:49,298
true to form by the
son of Malcolm McLaren.

719
00:31:49,472 --> 00:31:50,865
We hadn't even really thought

720
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,693
whether he was really
gonna do it or not.

721
00:31:52,867 --> 00:31:55,391
We just said, "We're gonna
say we're going to do it."

722
00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:57,567
I think he might have thought
he was going to do it.

723
00:31:57,741 --> 00:31:59,004
I hoped he was gonna do it.

724
00:31:59,178 --> 00:32:00,483
But anyway, it
didn't really matter.

725
00:32:00,657 --> 00:32:01,702
We thought this was
a bloody good story

726
00:32:01,876 --> 00:32:03,356
so we put it out there.

727
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:04,618
Not sure if anyone was
going to run it or not,

728
00:32:04,792 --> 00:32:06,446
but anyway, off it went,

729
00:32:06,620 --> 00:32:07,708
and just went [makes explosion
sound] like a mushroom,

730
00:32:07,882 --> 00:32:09,275
like a nuclear mushroom,

731
00:32:09,449 --> 00:32:11,451
global, absolutely
global straightaway,

732
00:32:11,625 --> 00:32:13,018
which is the sort of
essence of the media.

733
00:32:13,192 --> 00:32:16,717
[discordant guitar music]

734
00:32:17,892 --> 00:32:18,806
- I thought it'd be
quite a good idea

735
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:20,286
to put together a coverage book,

736
00:32:20,460 --> 00:32:22,766
and that's basically
an industry PR tool

737
00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:25,856
that helps you to see how far
and wide a story is traveling.

738
00:32:26,031 --> 00:32:27,902
It's traveled internationally

739
00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:31,166
to 1.91 billion people
have reviewed this story.

740
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:33,299
It's just amazing to see
how fast it's traveled

741
00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:36,737
without research and without
proper due diligence.

742
00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,045
I think the hatred is
really unnecessary,

743
00:32:40,219 --> 00:32:41,872
and the fact that it's
gone international now

744
00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:44,397
and he's got an international
hate campaign against him.

745
00:32:44,571 --> 00:32:46,181
- You know,

746
00:32:46,355 --> 00:32:47,748
this now belongs to the
cultural heritage of London,

747
00:32:47,922 --> 00:32:49,489
this bloody theme park,

748
00:32:49,663 --> 00:32:51,012
and let's not pretend that this

749
00:32:51,186 --> 00:32:55,277
was all some kind of
joyous cultural movement

750
00:32:55,451 --> 00:32:58,237
that the establishment
embraced and wanted to own.

751
00:32:58,411 --> 00:33:00,065
I mean, you know,

752
00:33:00,239 --> 00:33:02,632
the mayor of the London at
the time or the equivalent,

753
00:33:02,806 --> 00:33:05,592
the head of the GLA, the
Greater London Authority,

754
00:33:05,766 --> 00:33:09,335
suggested that the best
thing to do with punk rock

755
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:12,251
was to dig a bloody great
hole and bury everybody in it.

756
00:33:12,425 --> 00:33:13,643
- I think most of these groups

757
00:33:13,817 --> 00:33:15,645
would be vastly improved
by a sudden death.

758
00:33:15,819 --> 00:33:19,301
I would like to see somebody
dig a very, very large,

759
00:33:19,475 --> 00:33:22,087
exceedingly deep hole and drop
the whole bloody lot down it.

760
00:33:22,261 --> 00:33:23,784
You know,

761
00:33:23,958 --> 00:33:25,264
I think the whole world
will be vastly improved

762
00:33:25,438 --> 00:33:27,048
by their total and
utter nonexistence.

763
00:33:28,528 --> 00:33:30,269
- I'm just saying if you're
going to talk about nostalgia,

764
00:33:30,443 --> 00:33:32,053
let's talk about the truth.

765
00:33:32,227 --> 00:33:34,882
Let's talk about the fact
that people got beaten up

766
00:33:35,056 --> 00:33:37,450
and stabbed and cut up
for being a punk rocker

767
00:33:37,624 --> 00:33:40,061
or spat on or kicked in.

768
00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:42,977
I don't think what it
should be is castrated,

769
00:33:43,151 --> 00:33:44,457
sanitized, neutered,

770
00:33:44,631 --> 00:33:49,549
and boxed up as a lie to
sell to younger people

771
00:33:50,724 --> 00:33:52,291
and try and pretend
that it's cool

772
00:33:52,465 --> 00:33:55,772
and that that version,
that sanitized,

773
00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:59,254
harmless version
is something that

774
00:33:59,428 --> 00:34:00,908
we should all now feel belongs

775
00:34:01,082 --> 00:34:02,823
to the culture of this nation.

776
00:34:02,997 --> 00:34:05,347
I just think it's
ridiculous and a lie.

777
00:34:05,521 --> 00:34:06,827
- And how do you know
it's worth five million?

778
00:34:07,001 --> 00:34:08,220
Is it definitely
worth five million?

779
00:34:08,394 --> 00:34:10,048
- Well, it's an
interesting point,

780
00:34:10,222 --> 00:34:12,311
and I think part of this is
to have that conversation

781
00:34:12,485 --> 00:34:14,835
about the difference
between price and value.

782
00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:18,839
You know, we all know
the price of a house,

783
00:34:19,013 --> 00:34:20,971
but do we know the
value of a home?

784
00:34:23,017 --> 00:34:26,847
- There's no link anymore
between money and value.

785
00:34:27,021 --> 00:34:28,501
- What does value mean?

786
00:34:28,675 --> 00:34:30,503
Do I have any?

787
00:34:30,677 --> 00:34:32,113
- Well, I'm not sure.

788
00:34:33,027 --> 00:34:34,811
Let's think about it.

789
00:34:34,985 --> 00:34:38,598
[dramatic orchestral music]

790
00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:41,905
- The difference between
culture and consumption

791
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,301
is that consumption is
about sucking things up,

792
00:34:46,475 --> 00:34:48,260
opinions, the lot.

793
00:34:48,434 --> 00:34:51,001
Culture is about
investing in the world.

794
00:34:51,176 --> 00:34:52,612
You get out what you put in.

795
00:34:52,786 --> 00:34:54,266
You've got to try and
understand the world.

796
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,702
You've got to think.

797
00:34:55,876 --> 00:34:57,443
You've got to see
your way through.

798
00:34:57,617 --> 00:34:59,836
You've got to compare what
people did in the past,

799
00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:01,403
what they had to say,

800
00:35:01,577 --> 00:35:03,536
with what people are
doing today to know

801
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:04,885
who are human beings?

802
00:35:05,059 --> 00:35:05,886
What are we?

803
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:07,409
Get an overview.

804
00:35:07,583 --> 00:35:09,542
You never ever get an overview

805
00:35:09,716 --> 00:35:13,415
of anything in today's
consumption media.

806
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:14,373
Never.

807
00:35:15,852 --> 00:35:16,766
- [Reporter] Joe, do you
have any doubts about this?

808
00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:18,507
At any point did you think,

809
00:35:18,681 --> 00:35:20,509
"Hang on, this is an act
of historical vandalism"?

810
00:35:21,597 --> 00:35:23,121
- No, because I think that

811
00:35:23,295 --> 00:35:27,603
these items represent
something that was very heroic.

812
00:35:27,777 --> 00:35:32,042
This ending for them
is an heroic act.

813
00:35:32,217 --> 00:35:35,394
- Did it not occur to you to
maybe donate stuff to charity

814
00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:37,744
or use some way of raising
money towards a cause?

815
00:35:37,918 --> 00:35:42,488
- I have witnessed the
selloff of every asset

816
00:35:42,662 --> 00:35:44,403
that this country ever owned.

817
00:35:44,577 --> 00:35:48,494
The job of the state
is now taken up

818
00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:51,801
by the charitable sector.

819
00:35:51,975 --> 00:35:53,673
You have charities where people

820
00:35:53,847 --> 00:35:58,591
are earning 250 grand a
year to sit on the board.

821
00:35:58,765 --> 00:36:00,245
This whole thing is a process,

822
00:36:00,419 --> 00:36:02,421
and the stage we are at now

823
00:36:02,595 --> 00:36:04,901
is about winding the media up,

824
00:36:05,075 --> 00:36:07,252
and that's what they
want to talk about.

825
00:36:07,426 --> 00:36:08,862
Let's give it to 'em.

826
00:36:09,036 --> 00:36:12,039
You want to talk about
my father's manipulation

827
00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:15,216
of media or industry.

828
00:36:16,086 --> 00:36:17,610
At the time,

829
00:36:17,784 --> 00:36:21,091
in order to kind of cut
through all the crap,

830
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:25,879
he was very influenced
by the Situationists

831
00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:28,142
and Guy Debord and
people like that.

832
00:36:28,316 --> 00:36:32,799
And yeah, certainly he
used all of those um,

833
00:36:33,843 --> 00:36:34,931
all of those devices.

834
00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:39,153
- Malcolm hated
the establishment

835
00:36:39,327 --> 00:36:41,199
because they're hypocrites.

836
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,462
Let's start again.

837
00:36:43,636 --> 00:36:44,898
Let's have anarchy.

838
00:36:45,072 --> 00:36:46,508
Destroy the past.

839
00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:49,119
That's where he was coming from.

840
00:36:49,294 --> 00:36:53,036
And I think this
1968 student movement

841
00:36:53,211 --> 00:36:55,691
that swept through
Europe at the time

842
00:36:55,865 --> 00:36:57,476
was what that was about.

843
00:36:57,650 --> 00:37:00,870
We don't want your education.

844
00:37:01,044 --> 00:37:02,089
And therefore,

845
00:37:02,263 --> 00:37:05,353
I think the song that summed up

846
00:37:05,527 --> 00:37:07,442
the punk movement
better than any other

847
00:37:07,616 --> 00:37:10,489
was from The Sex
Pistols' Glen Matlock.

848
00:37:10,663 --> 00:37:12,665
He wrote it and it said,

849
00:37:12,839 --> 00:37:14,841
"We are so pretty,

850
00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:18,975
pretty vacant, and
we don't care."

851
00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:20,673
And we were pretty.

852
00:37:20,847 --> 00:37:24,198
We were gorgeous
and we were vacant.

853
00:37:25,417 --> 00:37:27,027
How you ever going
to convince people

854
00:37:27,201 --> 00:37:29,029
that this is worth
even a million pound,

855
00:37:29,203 --> 00:37:30,683
'cause you haven't got anything

856
00:37:30,857 --> 00:37:34,077
that's really anything
but a bit of old stuff.

857
00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:35,992
- A bit of old stuff
can be expensive.

858
00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:38,430
[dramatic electric guitar strum]

859
00:37:38,604 --> 00:37:41,041
♪ When Johnny comes
marching home ♪

860
00:37:41,215 --> 00:37:43,043
♪ When Johnny comes
marching home ♪

861
00:37:43,217 --> 00:37:45,785
- The public need a price
before they get angry.

862
00:37:45,959 --> 00:37:48,222
- We need an expert
to put a value on it.

863
00:37:49,876 --> 00:37:52,052
- For me, the special
piece is the suit.

864
00:37:52,226 --> 00:37:53,706
But obviously, the Venus.

865
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,664
Again, a very
well-documented piece.

866
00:37:55,838 --> 00:37:58,711
Why not go for a
hundred, 100,000?

867
00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:00,930
- As far as I remember,

868
00:38:01,104 --> 00:38:05,544
at one point this was put
into a photo frame on the wall

869
00:38:05,718 --> 00:38:10,636
along with three other
completely iconic T-shirts,

870
00:38:11,811 --> 00:38:12,855
and this was the fourth-
- Yeah, I remember.

871
00:38:13,029 --> 00:38:14,117
- Iconic one.

872
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:15,031
- Yeah.
- And Sid Vicious

873
00:38:15,205 --> 00:38:16,642
came in one day,

874
00:38:16,816 --> 00:38:18,948
smashed the glass,
and took this off.

875
00:38:19,122 --> 00:38:21,037
I worked with Malcolm on this.

876
00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:22,909
It was his idea to put

877
00:38:23,083 --> 00:38:27,392
the bike tire on the shoulders.

878
00:38:27,566 --> 00:38:29,394
- I think the beauty
of pieces like this

879
00:38:29,568 --> 00:38:31,570
is that you see, in a way,

880
00:38:31,744 --> 00:38:33,659
you see the birth of
Vivienne Westwood.

881
00:38:33,833 --> 00:38:38,707
You see her being a
bricklayer and taking various,

882
00:38:39,969 --> 00:38:42,276
you know, the bike
tire, the studs.

883
00:38:42,450 --> 00:38:45,975
You've got the birth of,
shall we say, punk clothing.

884
00:38:46,149 --> 00:38:47,977
Every piece is unique.

885
00:38:48,151 --> 00:38:49,544
Vivienne wore it.

886
00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:50,893
We know it's Joe's.

887
00:38:51,067 --> 00:38:51,851
It's special.

888
00:38:52,025 --> 00:38:53,287
We've got to be talking,

889
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,985
in the right hands,

890
00:38:56,159 --> 00:38:58,074
probably to a museum,
half a million.

891
00:38:58,248 --> 00:38:59,162
You could go higher.

892
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:00,642
You could go to a million.

893
00:39:00,816 --> 00:39:03,166
- So, this might very
well be my jacket

894
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,430
that was once stolen from me.

895
00:39:05,604 --> 00:39:06,822
I could try it on if you like.

896
00:39:06,996 --> 00:39:07,823
But yeah.

897
00:39:10,304 --> 00:39:11,392
'Cause I wore this all the time.

898
00:39:11,566 --> 00:39:14,003
I had very few clothes.

899
00:39:14,177 --> 00:39:16,484
I'm not an acquisitive person.

900
00:39:16,658 --> 00:39:21,446
I try not to take clothes
even from my own collection.

901
00:39:22,534 --> 00:39:23,448
So, as I said,

902
00:39:23,622 --> 00:39:24,927
I think this is a jacket

903
00:39:25,101 --> 00:39:26,842
that was probably
stolen from me once.

904
00:39:27,016 --> 00:39:28,017
- [Corre] Yeah, but
what was that bunk?

905
00:39:28,191 --> 00:39:29,802
- By Malcolm's girlfriend.

906
00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:32,544
But yeah, he sent her around
to take all my clothes.

907
00:39:32,718 --> 00:39:34,328
He was jealous.

908
00:39:34,502 --> 00:39:36,722
He didn't want me to have
access to my own designs.

909
00:39:36,896 --> 00:39:38,985
That was what it was all about.

910
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,030
- I mean, the beauty
is this is Joe's,

911
00:39:41,204 --> 00:39:43,816
so nobody's going
to question that.

912
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:46,514
That does make
the prices rocket.

913
00:39:47,646 --> 00:39:48,690
Yeah, why not?

914
00:39:48,864 --> 00:39:49,735
Why not?

915
00:39:49,909 --> 00:39:50,692
It could go five million.

916
00:39:50,866 --> 00:39:51,737
Maybe it's 10 million.

917
00:39:51,911 --> 00:39:53,695
There's no reason why not.

918
00:39:53,869 --> 00:39:57,960
It about who wants it,
why they're buying it.

919
00:39:59,527 --> 00:40:02,922
If he was ever to sell it
or if he's going burn it,

920
00:40:03,096 --> 00:40:04,706
burn it, fine.

921
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,142
I think that would
actually act as

922
00:40:06,316 --> 00:40:08,493
a very nice end to
the whole chapter.

923
00:40:08,667 --> 00:40:11,147
It would absolutely also
upset a lot of people.

924
00:40:11,321 --> 00:40:13,280
That would be very
punk in its own way.

925
00:40:13,454 --> 00:40:14,934
I like that idea.

926
00:40:15,108 --> 00:40:16,022
- You know, Boy George.

927
00:40:16,196 --> 00:40:17,676
He made his own bondage things.

928
00:40:17,850 --> 00:40:19,199
He copied them.

929
00:40:19,373 --> 00:40:20,983
He just bought some
tartan and made them

930
00:40:21,157 --> 00:40:24,160
for less money than we charged.

931
00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:26,424
- I'm the person that
sold, what is it?

932
00:40:26,598 --> 00:40:30,340
Apparently 80,000
pounds worth of clothing

933
00:40:30,515 --> 00:40:32,691
that was all fake.

934
00:40:32,865 --> 00:40:34,693
I don't blame Malcolm
if he went along

935
00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:35,824
and said it was all fake.

936
00:40:35,998 --> 00:40:36,999
That's very Malcolm.

937
00:40:37,173 --> 00:40:38,044
- Yeah. Yeah.

938
00:40:38,218 --> 00:40:39,001
- It's kind of amusing.

939
00:40:39,175 --> 00:40:40,873
- And how would he know?

940
00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:42,440
[laughs]

941
00:40:42,614 --> 00:40:43,876
- Well, you could say,
how would he know?

942
00:40:44,050 --> 00:40:45,399
Let's face it.

943
00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:46,966
He wasn't sitting down
making this stuff.

944
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:48,707
- He was in the office
running The Sex Pistols.

945
00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:50,230
- Exactly.

946
00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:52,450
- But that looks like
an original thing.

947
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:55,017
That zip's not, is it?

948
00:40:55,191 --> 00:40:56,671
- No, it doesn't
look right to me.

949
00:40:56,845 --> 00:40:58,151
- No, it's not an
original thing.

950
00:40:58,325 --> 00:40:59,892
I don't know what it is.

951
00:41:00,066 --> 00:41:01,720
It's got our label on it.

952
00:41:01,894 --> 00:41:02,938
That's not ours.
- That doesn't really

953
00:41:03,112 --> 00:41:04,418
mean much, I'm afraid.

954
00:41:04,592 --> 00:41:06,202
There's so many people
doing funny copies, and-

955
00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:07,726
- Really?

956
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:09,205
- They make the
labels and everything.

957
00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:10,250
They do.

958
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,080
Japan and funny places.

959
00:41:14,254 --> 00:41:16,604
People have been making
those things for years.

960
00:41:16,778 --> 00:41:17,823
- But you've got
several companies.

961
00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:20,390
You've got 666, Aced or Robot,

962
00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:24,264
Peel & Lift, AFFA,
KS Corporation.

963
00:41:24,438 --> 00:41:26,788
They're just producing
this stuff every day,

964
00:41:26,962 --> 00:41:29,443
and have they ever given

965
00:41:29,617 --> 00:41:31,750
any money to Vivienne in the
years when she was struggling?

966
00:41:31,924 --> 00:41:32,707
- [Corre] No. No.

967
00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:34,448
- No.
- None.

968
00:41:34,622 --> 00:41:36,276
Not to Vivienne, not to
charity, not to anything.

969
00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:38,496
- And they claim they have
permission from her to do it.

970
00:41:38,670 --> 00:41:39,932
Well, they don't.

971
00:41:40,106 --> 00:41:44,589
- I guess the one person
who really does know

972
00:41:44,763 --> 00:41:48,070
all the truth about
what's original,

973
00:41:48,244 --> 00:41:49,724
what's authentic is Vivienne,

974
00:41:49,898 --> 00:41:51,987
and she's completely
bored shitless by it.

975
00:41:52,161 --> 00:41:53,467
- Of course.
- You know.

976
00:41:53,641 --> 00:41:55,251
But in that sense as well,

977
00:41:55,425 --> 00:41:57,471
it therefore allows other
people to step in and go,

978
00:41:57,645 --> 00:41:58,603
"Well if she's bored of it,

979
00:41:58,777 --> 00:42:00,126
that's all right, but I'm not,

980
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:01,954
and I'm therefore
going to spend my life

981
00:42:02,128 --> 00:42:03,042
looking at all
these details that

982
00:42:03,216 --> 00:42:05,827
are of no importance to her,

983
00:42:06,001 --> 00:42:08,482
but they're important to
everyone else" about her.

984
00:42:08,656 --> 00:42:11,137
But at the same time,
because of that,

985
00:42:11,311 --> 00:42:12,355
it's almost like they don't want

986
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:14,444
to give her any credit for it,

987
00:42:14,619 --> 00:42:17,099
because let's give
Malcolm credit for it,

988
00:42:17,273 --> 00:42:19,493
because then that
allows us to kind of

989
00:42:19,667 --> 00:42:23,889
exist within this space and
have some sort of authority.

990
00:42:24,063 --> 00:42:25,325
- Malcolm, particularly
when he was alive,

991
00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,545
he always sidelined her.

992
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,285
He did it all by himself.

993
00:42:29,459 --> 00:42:31,287
It's all his idea.

994
00:42:31,461 --> 00:42:33,855
- I do think that later on he
became very bitter about her,

995
00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:36,728
and the idea that
somehow Vivienne

996
00:42:36,902 --> 00:42:39,557
had taken all his ideas
and made a success happen,

997
00:42:39,731 --> 00:42:43,212
which was just a
megalomaniac thing to think,

998
00:42:43,386 --> 00:42:45,867
and he kind of portrayed
her like that in public.

999
00:42:46,041 --> 00:42:48,566
Kind of wanted to
belittle her in that way,

1000
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:51,743
and it was just a bit
cruel, but that's, you know.

1001
00:42:51,917 --> 00:42:55,573
[dramatic orchestral music]

1002
00:42:58,053 --> 00:42:59,968
- There we are, get your hat.

1003
00:43:00,142 --> 00:43:03,276
[dramatic orchestral music]

1004
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:07,715
["When Johnny Comes
Marching Home"]

1005
00:43:17,203 --> 00:43:18,552
- Find them kids.

1006
00:43:20,293 --> 00:43:21,555
- [Commentator] No
one who's part of

1007
00:43:21,729 --> 00:43:23,818
the right-wing elite
of this country

1008
00:43:23,992 --> 00:43:25,690
should ever lay
claim to punk rock.

1009
00:43:25,864 --> 00:43:27,256
They don't have the right to,

1010
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:28,780
so if they're gonna
get their paws on it,

1011
00:43:28,954 --> 00:43:30,303
then fucking burn that,
do you know what I mean?

1012
00:43:30,477 --> 00:43:31,913
Never forget what they
actually represent.

1013
00:43:32,087 --> 00:43:34,133
Well, his parents
spearheaded the movement,

1014
00:43:34,307 --> 00:43:36,048
so if they're not happy about

1015
00:43:37,223 --> 00:43:39,878
the current political climate

1016
00:43:40,052 --> 00:43:42,402
and how people are trying
to manipulate punk rock,

1017
00:43:42,576 --> 00:43:47,537
then let them do what they see
fit for future generations.

1018
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,236
Youth today have united
in a way which basically

1019
00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:55,067
they all understand
that they exist

1020
00:43:55,241 --> 00:43:57,591
outside of the system
that's handed to them.

1021
00:43:57,765 --> 00:43:59,114
So, you know,

1022
00:43:59,288 --> 00:44:00,507
I think whether you're
skating in places

1023
00:44:00,681 --> 00:44:02,335
you're not meant to,

1024
00:44:02,509 --> 00:44:03,989
whether you're painting on
places you're not meant to,

1025
00:44:04,163 --> 00:44:05,817
or whether you're spitting
bars on grime beats,

1026
00:44:05,991 --> 00:44:07,993
you all carry a
punk rock attitude

1027
00:44:08,167 --> 00:44:10,996
that's kind of come
through the ages.

1028
00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:13,955
- If someone's passed away,

1029
00:44:14,129 --> 00:44:15,609
they don't have a
say in it anymore,

1030
00:44:15,783 --> 00:44:19,221
and I think as
Malcolm McLaren's son,

1031
00:44:19,395 --> 00:44:21,484
he's in a position to
say, "No, fuck you,"

1032
00:44:21,659 --> 00:44:22,747
whereas other people might not.

1033
00:44:22,921 --> 00:44:23,661
Who knows?

1034
00:44:23,835 --> 00:44:25,314
Do you know what I mean?

1035
00:44:25,488 --> 00:44:26,707
Maybe other people from
the original punk era

1036
00:44:26,881 --> 00:44:28,143
might not step in
and do anything,

1037
00:44:28,317 --> 00:44:29,623
and Boris Johnson
just parades around

1038
00:44:29,797 --> 00:44:31,581
like he's all for
punk rock and shit,

1039
00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:34,628
so I don't think you can
really tell him what to do.

1040
00:44:34,802 --> 00:44:37,892
It's his family's
personal items.

1041
00:44:38,066 --> 00:44:39,807
- The stuff that
I do now has got

1042
00:44:39,981 --> 00:44:41,635
a chance to last for a bit.

1043
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,072
You know, five, 10 years.

1044
00:44:44,246 --> 00:44:45,465
You know, spray paint,
it's going to fade.

1045
00:44:45,639 --> 00:44:47,119
Someone's going
to paint over it.

1046
00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:48,729
You know, a graffiti
like that across the road

1047
00:44:48,903 --> 00:44:51,123
is going to last for
like five minutes.

1048
00:44:51,297 --> 00:44:52,864
You know, Joe burning the stuff,

1049
00:44:53,038 --> 00:44:54,779
it's not meant to last forever.

1050
00:44:54,953 --> 00:44:58,478
[bright orchestral music]

1051
00:45:02,264 --> 00:45:05,224
[suspenseful music]

1052
00:45:13,754 --> 00:45:15,669
[footsteps landing]

1053
00:45:15,843 --> 00:45:20,152
["When Johnny Comes
Marching Home"]

1054
00:45:25,461 --> 00:45:26,724
- [Escapee] He's
coming! Come on!

1055
00:45:26,898 --> 00:45:30,858
["When Johnny Comes
Marching Home"]

1056
00:45:49,007 --> 00:45:51,836
[children panting]

1057
00:45:56,188 --> 00:45:57,232
- We're free.

1058
00:45:58,668 --> 00:45:59,495
Now what?

1059
00:46:00,758 --> 00:46:03,021
- There's nowhere to run.

1060
00:46:03,195 --> 00:46:06,546
- We have to get everyone
together and make a plan.

1061
00:46:08,635 --> 00:46:12,247
[dramatic orchestral music]

1062
00:46:21,169 --> 00:46:22,997
[energetic electronic music]

1063
00:46:23,171 --> 00:46:26,044
- We're from the youth media
organization Fully Focused.

1064
00:46:26,218 --> 00:46:27,741
We're all about representation

1065
00:46:27,915 --> 00:46:29,525
and young people
having the platforms.

1066
00:46:29,699 --> 00:46:31,919
- So, we're just trying
to jump this idea

1067
00:46:32,093 --> 00:46:34,879
that sometimes
escaping something

1068
00:46:35,053 --> 00:46:36,663
is not always the best solution,

1069
00:46:36,837 --> 00:46:37,969
'cause you need to
know about this,

1070
00:46:38,143 --> 00:46:39,753
'cause if you don't,

1071
00:46:39,927 --> 00:46:42,538
you just become ignorant
and then you're just stuck.

1072
00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:46,194
- Some of the solutions
that we found for our future

1073
00:46:46,368 --> 00:46:48,109
are things like the
government really

1074
00:46:48,283 --> 00:46:52,200
getting a grip with
corporation tax avoidance.

1075
00:46:52,374 --> 00:46:53,593
Distractions.

1076
00:46:53,767 --> 00:46:55,464
We live in a world
of social media

1077
00:46:55,638 --> 00:46:59,251
where it is so easy to get
distracted away from the truth

1078
00:46:59,425 --> 00:47:01,644
and away from the things
that really matter.

1079
00:47:01,819 --> 00:47:05,953
Another major thing is that we
don't have enough role models

1080
00:47:06,127 --> 00:47:07,999
or we don't have
enough role models

1081
00:47:08,173 --> 00:47:09,827
who are invested
in our interests,

1082
00:47:10,001 --> 00:47:12,264
in the interests
of our children,

1083
00:47:12,438 --> 00:47:15,658
and of our grandchildren
in the future.

1084
00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:18,226
So, we really need to
stop, as someone once said,

1085
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,620
"Making stupid people famous."

1086
00:47:20,794 --> 00:47:22,752
Use your purchasing power.

1087
00:47:22,927 --> 00:47:24,189
If you think about it this way,

1088
00:47:24,363 --> 00:47:27,757
that each pound you
spend is a vote,

1089
00:47:27,932 --> 00:47:29,977
is a vote for whatever
you are buying,

1090
00:47:30,151 --> 00:47:31,761
whatever you're
spending that money in

1091
00:47:31,936 --> 00:47:34,112
is something that
you're voting for.

1092
00:47:34,286 --> 00:47:36,288
It's a world of
supply and demand.

1093
00:47:36,462 --> 00:47:38,986
The more you demand it, the
more they're gonna supply it,

1094
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,076
so if you spend your money
more on clean energy,

1095
00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:44,818
there will be more
clean energy provided.

1096
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,606
But I think what we found
overall as a major issue

1097
00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:52,521
is that as a young generation,

1098
00:47:52,695 --> 00:47:56,612
we don't go out and vote
enough in numbers, you know?

1099
00:47:56,786 --> 00:47:59,398
And that's where you
get what you want:

1100
00:47:59,572 --> 00:48:01,966
at the ballot boxes by voting.

1101
00:48:02,140 --> 00:48:04,838
- [Sauven] All the young
people come out and vote,

1102
00:48:05,012 --> 00:48:07,493
that is the most powerful
thing that they can do.

1103
00:48:07,667 --> 00:48:09,756
And as a bloc, they are
enormously powerful,

1104
00:48:09,930 --> 00:48:12,237
and politicians have
to listen to that bloc.

1105
00:48:12,411 --> 00:48:14,326
I mean, they have immense
power in many ways,

1106
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,938
and I don't think they realize
how powerful they could be,

1107
00:48:18,112 --> 00:48:20,027
and particularly because
they've got tools

1108
00:48:20,201 --> 00:48:22,900
at their disposal today
to really organize

1109
00:48:23,074 --> 00:48:25,554
in ways that when I was a
young person, I didn't have.

1110
00:48:25,728 --> 00:48:28,818
I could only dream of the
kind of tools that they have

1111
00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:30,777
to organize and mobilize today.

1112
00:48:30,951 --> 00:48:32,605
- [Protestors]
Solution, not pollution.

1113
00:48:32,779 --> 00:48:34,172
Solution, not pollution.

1114
00:48:34,346 --> 00:48:35,956
Solution, not pollution.

1115
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:37,436
Solution, not pollution.

1116
00:48:37,610 --> 00:48:39,568
- It's very easy to have
politics of division,

1117
00:48:39,742 --> 00:48:41,527
to have them and us.

1118
00:48:41,701 --> 00:48:44,443
You know, white versus
Black, men versus women,

1119
00:48:44,617 --> 00:48:48,708
old versus young, cities
versus rural areas,

1120
00:48:48,882 --> 00:48:50,144
and so on and so forth.

1121
00:48:50,318 --> 00:48:53,104
We have to overcome
those divisions

1122
00:48:53,278 --> 00:48:57,543
if we are going to build
a new and just society.

1123
00:48:57,717 --> 00:49:01,155
And I believe that young
people have got a critical part

1124
00:49:01,329 --> 00:49:03,679
to play in actually
building that society

1125
00:49:03,853 --> 00:49:06,987
and building it around
action on climate change,

1126
00:49:07,161 --> 00:49:09,555
building it around
social justice,

1127
00:49:09,729 --> 00:49:11,426
creating new industries,

1128
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,037
industries of the future,

1129
00:49:13,211 --> 00:49:15,561
which are going to
answer the problems

1130
00:49:15,735 --> 00:49:17,389
that have plagued
us up until now.

1131
00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:22,829
And I think the
fossil fuel companies,

1132
00:49:23,003 --> 00:49:25,179
the oil companies,
the coal companies,

1133
00:49:25,353 --> 00:49:26,137
basically, they're history.

1134
00:49:26,311 --> 00:49:28,052
They're last-century.

1135
00:49:28,226 --> 00:49:31,925
But they will fight tooth and
nail to defend their power,

1136
00:49:32,099 --> 00:49:34,275
their privilege,
and their money,

1137
00:49:34,449 --> 00:49:35,885
and that's why it's
gonna be a fight

1138
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,106
and that's why everybody's
gotta participate.

1139
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,804
Everybody has got
to build the future.

1140
00:49:41,979 --> 00:49:43,850
That's what's really critical.

1141
00:49:44,024 --> 00:49:47,767
[energetic orchestral music]

1142
00:50:07,743 --> 00:50:10,920
[protestors cheering]

1143
00:50:14,663 --> 00:50:17,927
- I designed a set of playing
cards 'cause I'm an activist.

1144
00:50:18,102 --> 00:50:19,755
I had so many
graphics, I thought,

1145
00:50:19,929 --> 00:50:22,367
"I'm going to put them all
on the set of playing cards."

1146
00:50:22,541 --> 00:50:25,152
When I looked at the
set of playing cards,

1147
00:50:25,326 --> 00:50:29,113
I realized that it was a whole
strategy to save the world.

1148
00:50:29,287 --> 00:50:34,161
And this one here is misrule
of law by government.

1149
00:50:35,249 --> 00:50:37,469
[onlookers cheering]

1150
00:50:37,643 --> 00:50:38,818
- You're an inspiration.

1151
00:50:40,515 --> 00:50:41,951
- I'm a big fan of yours.

1152
00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:43,431
- [Individual] Lovely,
lovely. Come on.

1153
00:50:43,605 --> 00:50:45,912
[protestors calling out]

1154
00:50:46,086 --> 00:50:47,566
- [Protestors] We said no.

1155
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:49,220
We said no.

1156
00:50:49,394 --> 00:50:50,743
We said no.

1157
00:50:50,917 --> 00:50:52,397
We said no.

1158
00:50:52,571 --> 00:50:55,095
- I think it's hard for
people to understand

1159
00:50:56,836 --> 00:50:58,490
without actually
going through it,

1160
00:50:59,752 --> 00:51:02,668
because people ask me
things like, you know,

1161
00:51:02,842 --> 00:51:05,323
"What was it like growing up
with your parents?" and stuff

1162
00:51:05,497 --> 00:51:08,195
as if I had a choice of a
different set of parents

1163
00:51:08,369 --> 00:51:10,154
that I could compare
it to, you know?

1164
00:51:10,328 --> 00:51:14,549
I only had one set of parents
and that was how I grew up.

1165
00:51:14,723 --> 00:51:16,421
You know,

1166
00:51:16,595 --> 00:51:18,162
my father was a bit more
bulletproof in some respects.

1167
00:51:18,336 --> 00:51:21,991
I mean, he kind of took
that as par for the course,

1168
00:51:22,992 --> 00:51:24,733
but for him,

1169
00:51:24,907 --> 00:51:26,518
he was a guy who sort of never
stopped running, in a way.

1170
00:51:26,692 --> 00:51:28,172
He always wanted
to have a new idea,

1171
00:51:28,346 --> 00:51:29,869
always onto some
kind of new thing,

1172
00:51:30,043 --> 00:51:35,004
and that to me was a
sort of nervousness

1173
00:51:36,571 --> 00:51:38,704
on his part of ever being
able to kind of sit still

1174
00:51:38,878 --> 00:51:40,488
and be questioned
about anything.

1175
00:51:40,662 --> 00:51:42,708
As long as he could keep moving,

1176
00:51:42,882 --> 00:51:44,623
he never had to
really face much.

1177
00:51:44,797 --> 00:51:49,193
- You never came to my school
parents' meetings at all.

1178
00:51:49,367 --> 00:51:50,933
You didn't offer,

1179
00:51:51,108 --> 00:51:52,631
and I definitely didn't
want you to come, either,

1180
00:51:52,805 --> 00:51:56,069
or being on the bus going
to see some exhibition

1181
00:51:56,243 --> 00:51:57,853
with the school and going,

1182
00:51:58,027 --> 00:51:59,899
we went past the
King's Road shop

1183
00:52:00,073 --> 00:52:01,770
when it was called SEX,

1184
00:52:01,944 --> 00:52:04,033
and all the kids go,
"Oh, it's a sex shop.

1185
00:52:04,208 --> 00:52:05,209
Sex shop," you know.

1186
00:52:05,383 --> 00:52:07,124
But I just sort of kept quiet.

1187
00:52:07,298 --> 00:52:08,647
- You told me you pretended

1188
00:52:08,821 --> 00:52:11,084
that you weren't
with me sometimes.

1189
00:52:11,258 --> 00:52:13,304
- That I would walk on
the other side of the road

1190
00:52:13,478 --> 00:52:14,392
or something or other.

1191
00:52:14,566 --> 00:52:15,784
- Yeah, that's what I remember.

1192
00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:17,569
I sort remember
holding Mom's hand

1193
00:52:17,743 --> 00:52:20,615
and you being behind the
other side of the road.

1194
00:52:20,789 --> 00:52:22,139
- No one knew who you were,

1195
00:52:22,313 --> 00:52:24,141
even though that was the
time punk was going off.

1196
00:52:24,315 --> 00:52:28,623
I told one of my
schoolmates once.

1197
00:52:28,797 --> 00:52:30,799
- Malcolm had been in America

1198
00:52:30,973 --> 00:52:34,063
and he brought a lot of these
graphics back from there,

1199
00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:37,806
but when he came back,

1200
00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:41,941
I had hidden a
shirt that I'd made

1201
00:52:42,115 --> 00:52:45,640
underneath the few things
in the airing cupboard.

1202
00:52:45,814 --> 00:52:48,643
It was hidden at the bottom
of a pile of few sheets

1203
00:52:48,817 --> 00:52:50,167
and stuff in the
airing cupboard,

1204
00:52:50,341 --> 00:52:51,124
and he found it.

1205
00:52:51,298 --> 00:52:52,560
- Why did you hide it?

1206
00:52:52,734 --> 00:52:54,736
- I was hiding it
because I thought

1207
00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:57,043
he would really get
annoyed with me.

1208
00:52:57,217 --> 00:52:58,958
And what I was trying to do was

1209
00:52:59,132 --> 00:53:03,397
I was trying to make a
shirt for an urban guerilla.

1210
00:53:03,571 --> 00:53:06,966
So, it was inspired by
the idea of Che Guevara,

1211
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:09,621
but something for the city.

1212
00:53:09,795 --> 00:53:12,493
And so it was this sort of idea,

1213
00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:15,453
and so I hid it from
him 'cause I thought

1214
00:53:15,627 --> 00:53:17,281
he'd really hate it.

1215
00:53:17,455 --> 00:53:20,980
Anyway, and so this
is one of my slogans.

1216
00:53:21,154 --> 00:53:23,287
"Only anarchists are pretty,"

1217
00:53:23,461 --> 00:53:26,551
and it goes right down
the sleeve to there, okay?

1218
00:53:26,725 --> 00:53:30,163
So, this is a later
anarchy shirt.

1219
00:53:30,337 --> 00:53:32,557
I was still always
doing the main ones.

1220
00:53:32,731 --> 00:53:36,691
So, this is one where we
just used different prints,

1221
00:53:36,865 --> 00:53:37,910
and that's the
one with the queen

1222
00:53:38,084 --> 00:53:39,825
with the safety pin in there.

1223
00:53:39,999 --> 00:53:42,306
- [Corre] I remember
you working on that one

1224
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,398
and talking about this
Hell's Angels thing here.

1225
00:53:48,181 --> 00:53:49,226
"As you were, I was.

1226
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,010
As I am, you will be,"

1227
00:53:51,184 --> 00:53:52,707
and I remember sitting with you

1228
00:53:52,881 --> 00:53:55,362
and you were talking to
me about this 1% thing.

1229
00:53:55,536 --> 00:53:58,365
And I just remember
you doing this graphic

1230
00:53:58,539 --> 00:54:00,324
with these anarchy
flags and stuff, yeah.

1231
00:54:00,498 --> 00:54:02,543
- Anyway, you've put your
finger on something there.

1232
00:54:02,717 --> 00:54:04,632
It is inspired by the
Hell's Angels, as well,

1233
00:54:04,806 --> 00:54:06,504
and we had a couple of them

1234
00:54:06,678 --> 00:54:11,639
working with us making
this stuff in our house.

1235
00:54:12,423 --> 00:54:13,337
- [Corre] That's right.

1236
00:54:13,511 --> 00:54:14,860
- They used to come in every day

1237
00:54:15,034 --> 00:54:15,991
and put little studs on
these skirts and things.

1238
00:54:16,165 --> 00:54:17,602
- [Corre] That's right, yeah.

1239
00:54:17,776 --> 00:54:18,646
- Yeah. Red Baron.
- They were sort of doing

1240
00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:20,431
all the leather work thing.

1241
00:54:20,605 --> 00:54:22,171
I remember catching you-
- And you were little.

1242
00:54:22,346 --> 00:54:25,000
- [Corre] Snogging Red Baron
in the hallway one day.

1243
00:54:25,174 --> 00:54:30,136
- Well, was I
covering it up then?

1244
00:54:30,745 --> 00:54:32,007
No.
- Well,

1245
00:54:32,181 --> 00:54:32,921
I just remember
walking 'round the,

1246
00:54:33,095 --> 00:54:34,662
'cause he was there.

1247
00:54:34,836 --> 00:54:35,663
He used to work on the
Waltzer, as well, didn't he?

1248
00:54:35,837 --> 00:54:37,274
On the fun fair.

1249
00:54:37,448 --> 00:54:38,927
- He was really lovely.
- Oh Clapham Common.

1250
00:54:39,101 --> 00:54:40,625
- I liked him ever such a lot.
- He was a biker.

1251
00:54:40,799 --> 00:54:42,279
Yeah, I know you did.
- He was absolutely great.

1252
00:54:42,453 --> 00:54:43,628
- I remember seeing you
in the clinch with him.

1253
00:54:43,802 --> 00:54:44,716
- And Malcolm
wasn't around then,

1254
00:54:44,890 --> 00:54:46,500
and I thought we were finished,

1255
00:54:46,674 --> 00:54:49,068
and it wasn't that I was
being a traitor to Malcolm,

1256
00:54:49,242 --> 00:54:52,332
because, you know,
our relationship,

1257
00:54:53,812 --> 00:54:55,988
I thought it was over
most of the time, really,

1258
00:54:57,119 --> 00:54:58,730
but I was very loyal to Malcolm.

1259
00:54:58,904 --> 00:55:01,646
So, he'd gone away,
and when he came back,

1260
00:55:02,777 --> 00:55:05,127
you know, I was
really into Red Baron.

1261
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:06,738
We loved each other.

1262
00:55:06,912 --> 00:55:08,914
- Did you?
- Oh, God, he was lovely.

1263
00:55:09,088 --> 00:55:10,611
He was so nice.

1264
00:55:11,917 --> 00:55:13,788
And when Malcolm came back

1265
00:55:13,962 --> 00:55:15,399
and said he'd like
wanted me back,

1266
00:55:15,573 --> 00:55:16,748
so I had to go.

1267
00:55:16,922 --> 00:55:18,793
Was just still loyal to Malcolm.

1268
00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:20,404
Sorry. Yeah.

1269
00:55:20,578 --> 00:55:23,363
And I was very sad about
that, and he was lovely.

1270
00:55:23,537 --> 00:55:26,105
[somber music]

1271
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:31,589
When I met Malcolm
a long time ago

1272
00:55:31,763 --> 00:55:32,807
and I fell in love with him,

1273
00:55:32,981 --> 00:55:34,679
I thought he was beautiful.

1274
00:55:34,853 --> 00:55:36,550
I think people
are really in love

1275
00:55:36,724 --> 00:55:39,597
always do think that their
boyfriend's beautiful,

1276
00:55:39,771 --> 00:55:41,338
and I still do.

1277
00:55:41,512 --> 00:55:46,473
I mean, I still treasure
the experience of Malcolm.

1278
00:55:47,953 --> 00:55:49,476
- Malcolm fucked Joe over
when he died with his will.

1279
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:51,478
Not that Joe wanted anything.

1280
00:55:51,652 --> 00:55:54,525
I mean, Joe went over
to Malcolm's dying body

1281
00:55:54,699 --> 00:55:56,788
and hugged him and
whispered in his ear,

1282
00:55:56,962 --> 00:55:58,006
"Travel well, Malcolm.

1283
00:55:58,180 --> 00:55:59,530
Travel well."

1284
00:55:59,704 --> 00:56:01,183
You know?

1285
00:56:01,358 --> 00:56:04,404
And Malcolm went, and
Joe was like, you know,

1286
00:56:04,578 --> 00:56:06,319
it was kind of a bit
of a release and stuff.

1287
00:56:06,493 --> 00:56:08,626
And then like he set
up this whole funeral,

1288
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,585
put a great funeral for Malcolm.

1289
00:56:11,759 --> 00:56:13,065
Cash from Chaos.

1290
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,110
The horses and carriages
going through London.

1291
00:56:16,329 --> 00:56:18,070
Got him buried in
Highgate Cemetery.

1292
00:56:18,244 --> 00:56:20,202
Paid for the bloody plot.

1293
00:56:20,377 --> 00:56:21,682
You know.

1294
00:56:21,856 --> 00:56:23,292
And then after this
has all happened,

1295
00:56:23,467 --> 00:56:25,817
and after the party
the next day, you know,

1296
00:56:25,991 --> 00:56:28,733
Young Kim gave Joe the will,

1297
00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:33,128
and the will said expressly
that Joe was not to get anything

1298
00:56:33,302 --> 00:56:35,392
penciled in on the
bottom of a letter

1299
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:37,742
that he'd written just before

1300
00:56:37,916 --> 00:56:40,266
we turned up in
Switzerland, apparently.

1301
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,184
So, you know, that was very
devious of her as well.

1302
00:56:45,358 --> 00:56:48,056
She should have showed
him the will straight away

1303
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:50,581
anyway before the funeral.

1304
00:56:50,755 --> 00:56:52,626
So, that hurt Joe incredibly.

1305
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,193
It was incredibly hurtful.

1306
00:56:55,412 --> 00:56:57,022
Feel like he'd been stabbed

1307
00:56:57,196 --> 00:56:59,154
from beyond the
grave by Malcolm.

1308
00:56:59,328 --> 00:57:04,290
[dramatic orchestral music]
[flames lapping]

1309
00:57:24,484 --> 00:57:29,446
[somber orchestral music]
[flames lapping]

1310
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:34,102
- And I had to admit
and to accept in the end

1311
00:57:34,276 --> 00:57:36,148
that my father wrote those words

1312
00:57:36,322 --> 00:57:38,367
and he was willing
to write that.

1313
00:57:38,542 --> 00:57:39,325
You know what I mean?

1314
00:57:39,499 --> 00:57:40,413
And that's the truth.

1315
00:57:40,587 --> 00:57:42,850
You know, that's just the truth.

1316
00:57:43,024 --> 00:57:44,156
He was a fucked-up guy.

1317
00:57:44,330 --> 00:57:48,726
He had lots of personal issues

1318
00:57:48,900 --> 00:57:51,337
that affected me as
a kid growing up.

1319
00:57:51,511 --> 00:57:53,600
But I would never take away
from him his brilliance.

1320
00:57:53,774 --> 00:57:56,777
He was a brilliant guy and
he did some amazing things,

1321
00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:57,865
and I'm very proud of him.

1322
00:57:58,039 --> 00:57:59,954
I'm proud to be his son.

1323
00:58:00,128 --> 00:58:03,044
You know, after my father left
my mother in a terrible way,

1324
00:58:03,218 --> 00:58:05,090
he was horrible to Vivienne,

1325
00:58:05,264 --> 00:58:07,353
not just tried to smash
everything up when he left,

1326
00:58:07,527 --> 00:58:09,573
but did smash up
everything when he left,

1327
00:58:09,747 --> 00:58:10,748
you know what I mean?

1328
00:58:12,227 --> 00:58:14,229
And treated her really badly.

1329
00:58:14,403 --> 00:58:17,232
And we were with her

1330
00:58:17,406 --> 00:58:20,148
and we took the
brunt of it as well.

1331
00:58:20,322 --> 00:58:22,237
And he never had any
conscience for us

1332
00:58:22,411 --> 00:58:23,935
in what it meant to me and Ben,

1333
00:58:25,327 --> 00:58:28,505
and only later on did he
realize the error of his ways.

1334
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:33,597
I just felt very fortunate at
the point when he was dying

1335
00:58:34,859 --> 00:58:36,121
that I was able
to go and see him

1336
00:58:36,295 --> 00:58:38,123
and talk to him and forgive him.

1337
00:58:38,297 --> 00:58:40,125
You know, I think he'd
turning in his grave

1338
00:58:40,299 --> 00:58:44,956
to see "Anarchy in the UK"
on a fucking credit card.

1339
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:49,874
I think that's full
circle of showing

1340
00:58:50,048 --> 00:58:52,354
that everything he
did was useless.

1341
00:58:52,529 --> 00:58:55,575
You know, it's known because
it's a public document

1342
00:58:55,749 --> 00:58:57,795
that he said in his will,

1343
00:58:57,969 --> 00:59:02,887
"My son shall not fucking
inherit anything."

1344
00:59:04,105 --> 00:59:05,542
[laughs]

1345
00:59:05,716 --> 00:59:09,937
[somber orchestral music]
[flames lapping]

1346
00:59:36,355 --> 00:59:38,313
- And then we'd just
go and sleep in barns,

1347
00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:39,401
all of us, didn't we?

1348
00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:42,056
We went to Anglesey, didn't we?

1349
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:44,885
- That's the only family holiday
I ever remember us having

1350
00:59:45,059 --> 00:59:48,193
was hitchhiking to Anglesey
and sleeping in that cabin.

1351
00:59:48,367 --> 00:59:50,064
- What it would be,

1352
00:59:50,238 --> 00:59:52,632
it would be that I would be
there with the little baby,

1353
00:59:52,806 --> 00:59:55,069
which is you, hitchhiking,

1354
00:59:55,243 --> 00:59:56,505
and then I'd get in the car,

1355
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,116
and then Malcolm
would come with Ben.

1356
00:59:58,290 --> 00:59:59,770
- [Corre] They were hiding
in the bushes, yeah.

1357
00:59:59,944 --> 01:00:01,206
- And ask if they could
get in as well, yeah.

1358
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:03,121
And then that's how
we got our lifts.

1359
01:00:03,295 --> 01:00:05,514
He thought because it was
the island of Anglesey

1360
01:00:05,689 --> 01:00:07,908
where the druids
were that there was

1361
01:00:08,082 --> 01:00:10,345
some sort of ritual
had been practiced,

1362
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:13,522
because we found a sheep
with its leg cut off

1363
01:00:13,697 --> 01:00:15,002
next to the barn where

1364
01:00:15,176 --> 01:00:16,743
we'd just all decided
we had to sleep,

1365
01:00:16,917 --> 01:00:18,484
and there was nowhere else.

1366
01:00:18,658 --> 01:00:20,094
And so he was terrified,

1367
01:00:20,268 --> 01:00:24,316
and we put all the hay
bales against the door

1368
01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:27,145
so nobody could come and
get us and everything.

1369
01:00:27,319 --> 01:00:28,450
Oh God, it was boring.

1370
01:00:28,625 --> 01:00:30,235
It was him that was so scared.

1371
01:00:30,409 --> 01:00:32,019
It wasn't me. I didn't care.

1372
01:00:32,193 --> 01:00:33,673
But yeah.

1373
01:00:33,847 --> 01:00:35,370
But then it was obvious
somebody had thought,

1374
01:00:35,544 --> 01:00:36,981
"Well, we've just
killed that sheep.

1375
01:00:37,155 --> 01:00:39,984
We might as well take
its leg and roast it."

1376
01:00:40,158 --> 01:00:41,855
- I remember in
the morning after,

1377
01:00:42,029 --> 01:00:44,858
as we walked into the little
town that no one was up yet.

1378
01:00:45,032 --> 01:00:46,425
Everyone was still in bed.

1379
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:49,210
- Before that we went
to this lovely well.

1380
01:00:49,384 --> 01:00:50,298
There was a little well.

1381
01:00:50,472 --> 01:00:51,735
- I remember jumping in the well

1382
01:00:51,909 --> 01:00:53,911
and getting all the
money out of it.

1383
01:00:54,085 --> 01:00:55,695
It was a wishing
well, wasn't it?

1384
01:00:55,869 --> 01:00:58,219
And we took all the coppers
out the wishing well

1385
01:00:58,393 --> 01:01:00,657
and then went and wait for the
shop to open in the morning

1386
01:01:00,831 --> 01:01:02,354
so we could buy some breakfast.

1387
01:01:03,268 --> 01:01:04,486
Do you remember that?

1388
01:01:04,661 --> 01:01:07,446
I remember all our
pockets were soaking wet

1389
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:09,230
still piled up with coppers.

1390
01:01:10,362 --> 01:01:11,058
- Really?
- Yeah.

1391
01:01:11,232 --> 01:01:11,972
- Yeah. Yeah.

1392
01:01:12,146 --> 01:01:13,844
- [Ben] We had no money.

1393
01:01:14,018 --> 01:01:16,716
- No, we always used to do
lots of things without money.

1394
01:01:18,283 --> 01:01:20,067
- We haven't got time

1395
01:01:20,241 --> 01:01:24,289
to fuck about thinking
about punk rock

1396
01:01:24,463 --> 01:01:27,684
or any other nonsense
or pretending

1397
01:01:27,858 --> 01:01:29,642
that somehow that's
all important,

1398
01:01:32,427 --> 01:01:33,602
when in reality

1399
01:01:36,214 --> 01:01:38,782
we are moments from extinction,

1400
01:01:38,956 --> 01:01:42,481
and we need to understand
that as a human race.

1401
01:01:42,655 --> 01:01:45,919
You know, we've got to
look at what's important,

1402
01:01:46,093 --> 01:01:47,660
because if we don't,

1403
01:01:50,228 --> 01:01:51,969
it's gonna be too late.

1404
01:01:52,143 --> 01:01:53,840
You know Nigel.

1405
01:01:54,014 --> 01:01:57,148
I mean we thought
that a campaign

1406
01:01:57,322 --> 01:02:00,238
against Nigel Farage
and UKIP, right?

1407
01:02:00,412 --> 01:02:02,196
In Thanet South.

1408
01:02:02,370 --> 01:02:07,114
And the main issue people had
was about immigration, right?

1409
01:02:07,811 --> 01:02:08,725
Immigration.

1410
01:02:08,899 --> 01:02:10,509
We're terrified of immigration.

1411
01:02:10,683 --> 01:02:12,293
The bloody immigrants had
come in, blah, blah, blah.

1412
01:02:12,467 --> 01:02:13,773
What I'm saying,

1413
01:02:13,947 --> 01:02:15,514
if you are worried
about immigration,

1414
01:02:15,688 --> 01:02:17,908
you better get worried
about climate change.

1415
01:02:18,082 --> 01:02:20,214
Where do you think all these
people are going to go?

1416
01:02:20,388 --> 01:02:23,087
[dramatic music]

1417
01:02:26,090 --> 01:02:27,874
[motor humming]

1418
01:02:28,048 --> 01:02:29,354
Pleasant morning on the Thames.

1419
01:02:29,528 --> 01:02:32,183
[motor humming]

1420
01:02:35,490 --> 01:02:37,405
This is a old friend
of mine's boat.

1421
01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:38,493
He lives here.

1422
01:02:38,667 --> 01:02:40,017
It's his old mine sweeper.

1423
01:02:47,764 --> 01:02:50,767
[travelers laughing]

1424
01:02:54,074 --> 01:02:56,468
- Where are you thinking
for the fire pit now?

1425
01:02:56,642 --> 01:02:58,557
- Well, I think the fire pit's
got to be on one end of it.

1426
01:02:58,731 --> 01:02:59,688
- Yeah, I think probably-

1427
01:02:59,863 --> 01:03:01,212
- On that front end.

1428
01:03:01,386 --> 01:03:02,691
I'm just thinking about all

1429
01:03:02,866 --> 01:03:03,867
the different
technical aspects of it

1430
01:03:04,041 --> 01:03:06,043
and who's going to do that.

1431
01:03:06,217 --> 01:03:08,872
- There's not too much
technical stuff, really.

1432
01:03:09,046 --> 01:03:12,963
- You've got to be
able to, I think,

1433
01:03:14,878 --> 01:03:17,228
allow people to hear
what I'm talking about

1434
01:03:17,402 --> 01:03:18,664
when I'm burning it here,

1435
01:03:18,838 --> 01:03:20,927
so that's power and
speakers and everything.

1436
01:03:21,101 --> 01:03:22,755
There's no power on
this boat, right?

1437
01:03:22,929 --> 01:03:24,496
So, we've got to
bring all of that on.

1438
01:03:24,670 --> 01:03:28,543
- Yeah, you could just drop the
focus between there to here.

1439
01:03:28,717 --> 01:03:31,459
If you're gonna say anything
about doing the burning,

1440
01:03:31,633 --> 01:03:32,983
then that would
be over the top of

1441
01:03:33,157 --> 01:03:34,767
whatever your mum's
saying or whatever.

1442
01:03:34,941 --> 01:03:36,595
- Well then to me it
would make more sense

1443
01:03:36,769 --> 01:03:38,336
that Vivienne was in over there.

1444
01:03:41,556 --> 01:03:43,558
Wish more people would
get up and do something

1445
01:03:43,732 --> 01:03:45,430
that could be counted.

1446
01:03:49,956 --> 01:03:53,220
- Okay getting frustrated.

1447
01:03:54,265 --> 01:03:55,222
- Well, that's easy.

1448
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:58,225
- Oh, it's quite clean.

1449
01:03:58,399 --> 01:03:59,792
Oh, I suppose it
doesn't really matter

1450
01:03:59,966 --> 01:04:01,402
if they're all going
up in smoke, does it?

1451
01:04:01,576 --> 01:04:03,056
Just burn a few.

1452
01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:07,104
Just squash it all in
and get a bit more in.

1453
01:04:10,542 --> 01:04:12,544
Five million pounds worth
of punk rock memorabilia

1454
01:04:12,718 --> 01:04:13,937
in the 20 pound box,

1455
01:04:14,111 --> 01:04:15,286
which I thought
it was quite good.

1456
01:04:18,419 --> 01:04:19,420
Do you know what?

1457
01:04:19,594 --> 01:04:20,508
People think you
are fooling them

1458
01:04:20,682 --> 01:04:22,162
with burning these clothes?

1459
01:04:23,685 --> 01:04:26,297
- [Corre] So, I think people
are being fooled every day.

1460
01:04:26,471 --> 01:04:29,517
I've been able to, in
a slightly unique way,

1461
01:04:29,691 --> 01:04:31,998
to be able to use
this as an opportunity

1462
01:04:32,172 --> 01:04:34,305
to talk about more
important issues.

1463
01:04:35,959 --> 01:04:37,569
So, have I fooled everybody?

1464
01:04:37,743 --> 01:04:39,353
Well, I don't know.

1465
01:04:39,527 --> 01:04:41,660
I think to an extent
I've fooled some people,

1466
01:04:41,834 --> 01:04:46,186
but what I'm hoping out of it
is actually to wake them up

1467
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,146
to the idea that they're
being fooled every day.

1468
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,235
You know, we've
got really crucial,

1469
01:04:51,409 --> 01:04:54,499
important issues in front
of us about extinction,

1470
01:04:54,673 --> 01:04:58,546
about climate change that
are much more important

1471
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,550
than celebrating a
kind of corporate idea

1472
01:05:02,724 --> 01:05:04,683
of what punk rock now is.

1473
01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:08,034
So, I took it as an
opportunity to do just that.

1474
01:05:08,208 --> 01:05:12,343
The job now is to really
get the main message across

1475
01:05:12,517 --> 01:05:14,693
and for people to
understand why.

1476
01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:17,870
Now, how successful I'm
going to be at doing that,

1477
01:05:18,044 --> 01:05:20,742
I don't know, but I'm going
to give it my best shot.

1478
01:05:20,917 --> 01:05:24,529
[jaunty orchestral music]

1479
01:05:31,753 --> 01:05:33,451
- The press aren't really,

1480
01:05:33,625 --> 01:05:35,366
they're just stoking things
up as they did in the past.

1481
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:37,281
You know.

1482
01:05:37,455 --> 01:05:40,327
It's just the public reaction
that's rather disappointing.

1483
01:05:40,501 --> 01:05:42,068
They don't understand
punk at all.

1484
01:05:42,242 --> 01:05:44,723
The only one who seems to
understand punk here is Challan,

1485
01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:49,162
which is do things
to provoke the public

1486
01:05:49,336 --> 01:05:53,427
and provoke reaction
for a good cause.

1487
01:05:53,601 --> 01:05:54,733
It's to make you think.

1488
01:05:54,907 --> 01:05:56,039
- I think it's his to burn.

1489
01:05:56,213 --> 01:05:57,866
It's punk rock punk.

1490
01:05:58,041 --> 01:05:59,868
Burn it if you want to burn it.

1491
01:06:00,043 --> 01:06:01,783
Fucking burn it.

1492
01:06:01,958 --> 01:06:05,178
- You don't have to be into
The Sex Pistols to be a punk.

1493
01:06:05,352 --> 01:06:08,747
You know, it is an
attitude to life.

1494
01:06:08,921 --> 01:06:13,926
It's about being
aware of the injustice

1495
01:06:15,319 --> 01:06:17,408
happening in the world and
trying to do something about it.

1496
01:06:17,582 --> 01:06:20,802
And at least the one thing
you can definitely do about it

1497
01:06:20,977 --> 01:06:25,590
is not be taken in by the lie.

1498
01:06:25,764 --> 01:06:28,767
[dramatic electric guitar music]

1499
01:06:28,941 --> 01:06:30,464
- I think there's
a load of people

1500
01:06:30,638 --> 01:06:31,552
walking around London right now

1501
01:06:31,726 --> 01:06:33,250
and they're kind of saying,

1502
01:06:34,425 --> 01:06:36,035
"Joe's looking for
publicity" and whatever.

1503
01:06:36,209 --> 01:06:38,951
Actually, he's looking for
publicity for the right reasons,

1504
01:06:39,125 --> 01:06:42,737
to change the world and
to make people realize

1505
01:06:42,911 --> 01:06:44,435
what's really going on.

1506
01:06:44,609 --> 01:06:48,917
["When Johnny Comes
Marching Home"]

1507
01:06:59,972 --> 01:07:02,148
- The older generation
have made a mess.

1508
01:07:02,322 --> 01:07:04,759
They don't care about the
world they're leaving us.

1509
01:07:05,978 --> 01:07:08,459
These politicians are
destroying themselves

1510
01:07:08,633 --> 01:07:10,461
and taking us with them.

1511
01:07:11,853 --> 01:07:15,944
We need them to act
fast and slow down.

1512
01:07:17,207 --> 01:07:19,470
All they care
about is the money.

1513
01:07:19,644 --> 01:07:20,862
It's our future.

1514
01:07:21,037 --> 01:07:22,342
We've got to save it.

1515
01:07:24,605 --> 01:07:26,303
It's our only choice.

1516
01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:33,005
- There is nowhere to
run and nowhere to hide.

1517
01:07:33,179 --> 01:07:35,355
We've got to take
over the workhouse

1518
01:07:35,529 --> 01:07:37,749
and create a future
for all of us.

1519
01:07:37,923 --> 01:07:40,882
[children calling out]

1520
01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:42,406
- [Protestors]
Solution, not pollution.

1521
01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:44,277
Solution, not pollution.

1522
01:07:44,451 --> 01:07:48,673
[trumpeter playing
charge cadence]

1523
01:07:51,023 --> 01:07:55,027
[drummers playing march cadence]

1524
01:07:59,771 --> 01:08:03,383
[energetic army band music]

1525
01:08:05,907 --> 01:08:10,521
- One million anti-people
control seven billion.

1526
01:08:10,695 --> 01:08:15,221
It's the banks, the
conglomerate corporations,

1527
01:08:15,395 --> 01:08:18,442
and the politicians
who serve them.

1528
01:08:18,616 --> 01:08:23,534
That map comes from NASA,
the American space agency.

1529
01:08:25,057 --> 01:08:28,887
If you draw a line level with
Paris all around the world,

1530
01:08:29,757 --> 01:08:32,891
below that, it's uninhabitable.

1531
01:08:33,065 --> 01:08:37,983
By the end of this
century, by 2100,

1532
01:08:39,376 --> 01:08:44,337
there'll only be one
billion people left.

1533
01:08:45,773 --> 01:08:49,429
The rotten financial system,
and it's run on debt,

1534
01:08:50,691 --> 01:08:54,086
and it's run on fossil
fuel and cheap labor,

1535
01:08:54,260 --> 01:08:56,436
'cause they're just
so power-driven,

1536
01:08:56,610 --> 01:08:59,178
and they get their power

1537
01:08:59,352 --> 01:09:02,268
through the rotten
financial system.

1538
01:09:02,442 --> 01:09:04,923
As long as it works,
we can't help poverty.

1539
01:09:05,097 --> 01:09:08,013
It's designed to make poverty.

1540
01:09:08,187 --> 01:09:11,582
It's a war economy and
it causes climate change.

1541
01:09:11,756 --> 01:09:14,280
It's completely corrupt.

1542
01:09:14,454 --> 01:09:19,416
There's only one way and
that is a green economy.

1543
01:09:20,852 --> 01:09:23,246
Can you imagine when half the
country's on green energy,

1544
01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:25,683
the rotten financial system,

1545
01:09:25,857 --> 01:09:28,903
which is administered
by our government,

1546
01:09:29,077 --> 01:09:31,819
would not be able to do
what it does anymore.

1547
01:09:31,993 --> 01:09:34,387
It will be completely
undermined.

1548
01:09:34,561 --> 01:09:36,476
It couldn't function.

1549
01:09:36,650 --> 01:09:40,132
I never had an answer, and
I've got the answer now.

1550
01:09:40,306 --> 01:09:43,614
Switch to green energy.

1551
01:09:43,788 --> 01:09:45,746
It's the most important thing

1552
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,662
you could ever do in your life.

1553
01:09:48,836 --> 01:09:50,708
This simple thing.

1554
01:09:50,882 --> 01:09:51,796
Switch.

1555
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:55,103
[audience cheering]

1556
01:09:55,278 --> 01:09:58,977
[dramatic orchestral music]

1557
01:10:08,508 --> 01:10:11,468
[suspenseful music]

1558
01:10:18,475 --> 01:10:19,563
- [Kids] Now!

1559
01:10:19,737 --> 01:10:22,696
[suspenseful music]

1560
01:10:26,047 --> 01:10:27,962
[kids calling out]

1561
01:10:29,747 --> 01:10:32,663
[suspenseful music]

1562
01:10:46,981 --> 01:10:49,810
- You're gonna have to work
a little bit harder now.

1563
01:10:49,984 --> 01:10:51,334
The other kids are missing.

1564
01:10:52,552 --> 01:10:54,859
I've got my loans to
pay back to the banks.

1565
01:10:56,295 --> 01:10:57,775
[kids calling out]

1566
01:10:57,949 --> 01:10:58,689
Hey!

1567
01:10:58,863 --> 01:11:01,518
[kids cheering]

1568
01:11:06,436 --> 01:11:09,830
- Have you heard that the
old punk's having a bonfire?

1569
01:11:10,004 --> 01:11:12,050
Clearing out his old clobber?

1570
01:11:12,224 --> 01:11:13,399
- Nobody knows what he's burning

1571
01:11:13,573 --> 01:11:15,401
and nobody knows
what it's worth.

1572
01:11:15,575 --> 01:11:17,273
[kids calling out]

1573
01:11:17,447 --> 01:11:18,709
- Funny old world.

1574
01:11:18,883 --> 01:11:20,711
The establishments
celebrate anarchy

1575
01:11:20,885 --> 01:11:22,713
and the punks are trying
to save the planet.

1576
01:11:22,887 --> 01:11:26,107
- I thought the punks
were the anarchists.

1577
01:11:26,282 --> 01:11:28,066
- No, it's the politicians.

1578
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,722
- Welcome to The Great
Punk Rock Swindle.

1579
01:11:31,896 --> 01:11:33,898
Punk provided an opportunity

1580
01:11:34,072 --> 01:11:37,989
for the no-future
generation of the 1970s

1581
01:11:38,163 --> 01:11:40,078
to create a way out of it,

1582
01:11:40,252 --> 01:11:41,732
not trust in the media,

1583
01:11:41,906 --> 01:11:43,734
not trust in the politicians,

1584
01:11:45,170 --> 01:11:48,173
investigating the
truth for yourself.

1585
01:11:48,347 --> 01:11:49,522
DIY.

1586
01:11:51,089 --> 01:11:54,266
If you want to understand
the potent values of punk,

1587
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:56,137
confront taboos,

1588
01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,575
do not tolerate hypocrisy,

1589
01:11:58,749 --> 01:12:01,447
investigate the
truth for yourself.

1590
01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:06,583
You will find that the
problems are up here

1591
01:12:07,888 --> 01:12:08,976
with all the corporations
and the banks

1592
01:12:10,761 --> 01:12:13,981
and they're doing it with
the help of this lot.

1593
01:12:14,155 --> 01:12:15,853
So what can we do?

1594
01:12:16,027 --> 01:12:19,726
Stop buying their lies and
stop buying their products.

1595
01:12:22,947 --> 01:12:23,948
Now then.

1596
01:12:24,122 --> 01:12:25,906
Let me introduce
you to the band,

1597
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,302
the greatest punk rock
group ever, Extinction,

1598
01:12:31,651 --> 01:12:36,352
as they play their track
record of your future.

1599
01:12:36,526 --> 01:12:40,356
[discordant rock music plays]

1600
01:12:48,451 --> 01:12:51,105
[fire crackling]

1601
01:12:55,414 --> 01:12:58,112
The Bullingdon
boy Boris Johnson,

1602
01:13:00,158 --> 01:13:04,728
Sajid Javid coming
to a town near you.

1603
01:13:04,902 --> 01:13:06,338
And for role to
[voice drowned out]

1604
01:13:06,512 --> 01:13:09,123
the people of
Lancashire of fracking.

1605
01:13:10,473 --> 01:13:12,388
Jeremy Hunt, Dr. Death.

1606
01:13:14,302 --> 01:13:15,260
[rocket flares]

1607
01:13:15,434 --> 01:13:18,524
Theresa Mayhem, secret squirrel,

1608
01:13:18,698 --> 01:13:20,134
secret [voice drowned
out by music].

1609
01:13:20,308 --> 01:13:24,574
[discordant rock music]
[fireworks squealing]

1610
01:13:24,748 --> 01:13:26,358
George Osborne.

1611
01:13:26,532 --> 01:13:31,232
555-billion-pound of public
debt under his innings.

1612
01:13:32,016 --> 01:13:34,758
[discordant rock music]

1613
01:13:34,932 --> 01:13:39,458
Dodgy Dave, Anarchy Andrea,

1614
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:42,505
Go forth, George.

1615
01:13:42,679 --> 01:13:43,506
Goodbye.

1616
01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:46,726
Because what's got left behind

1617
01:13:46,900 --> 01:13:49,860
when all this is gone
is just that lot,

1618
01:13:50,034 --> 01:13:53,211
and they can't do
anything without this lot.

1619
01:13:53,385 --> 01:13:56,649
[discordant rock music]

1620
01:14:04,527 --> 01:14:06,877
[water spraying]

1621
01:14:07,051 --> 01:14:10,620
Why is that stuff of
any value whatsoever?

1622
01:14:10,794 --> 01:14:11,577
Why?

1623
01:14:11,751 --> 01:14:13,057
Why?

1624
01:14:13,231 --> 01:14:14,841
Because it represented
a moment in time

1625
01:14:15,015 --> 01:14:17,844
when people thought
they could do something,

1626
01:14:19,237 --> 01:14:21,239
and then it just
turned into a pose,

1627
01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:23,067
and it's been a pose ever since,

1628
01:14:23,241 --> 01:14:25,939
and now it's a pose that
belongs to McDonald's,

1629
01:14:26,113 --> 01:14:30,770
Louis Vuitton, car insurance,
and any other nonsense.

1630
01:14:30,944 --> 01:14:33,730
If this country and the
people in this country

1631
01:14:33,904 --> 01:14:36,602
and internationally
don't get serious

1632
01:14:36,776 --> 01:14:39,431
and their representatives
don't get serious,

1633
01:14:39,605 --> 01:14:41,389
then we've got get them out.

1634
01:14:41,564 --> 01:14:42,913
And we've got to get people in

1635
01:14:43,087 --> 01:14:44,523
who are going to start doing it.

1636
01:14:44,697 --> 01:14:47,395
Because they're not
representing your kids,

1637
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:50,268
they're not representing
your future.

1638
01:14:50,442 --> 01:14:52,357
And punk rock is a side show.

1639
01:14:52,531 --> 01:14:54,054
- [Journalist] Joe, some
people said this was a hoax,

1640
01:14:54,228 --> 01:14:56,013
that you were burning
stuff that wasn't valuable.

1641
01:14:56,187 --> 01:14:57,057
- This is real, isn't it?

1642
01:14:57,231 --> 01:14:58,102
You are here.

1643
01:14:58,276 --> 01:14:59,712
You are present, right?

1644
01:14:59,886 --> 01:15:01,061
- [Journalist] Yeah,
but I'm not a collector

1645
01:15:01,235 --> 01:15:01,801
so I don't know if
it was valuable.

1646
01:15:01,975 --> 01:15:02,889
- Who cares?

1647
01:15:03,063 --> 01:15:03,629
I'm glad you're not a collector.

1648
01:15:03,803 --> 01:15:04,412
You're sensible.

1649
01:15:04,587 --> 01:15:05,457
Anything else?

1650
01:15:07,067 --> 01:15:07,807
Good.

1651
01:15:07,981 --> 01:15:09,113
Thank you.

1652
01:15:09,287 --> 01:15:13,813
[crowd laughing and calling out]

1653
01:15:13,987 --> 01:15:17,643
- So, what was the
point of burning punk?

1654
01:15:17,817 --> 01:15:19,906
You wanted to annoy
people, didn't you?

1655
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,386
Upset them.

1656
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,823
You know, we love our rebels.

1657
01:15:23,997 --> 01:15:25,433
This is our national treasure.

1658
01:15:25,608 --> 01:15:28,132
It's worth five million quid.

1659
01:15:28,306 --> 01:15:29,307
- My name's Nick Reynolds.

1660
01:15:29,481 --> 01:15:31,439
I'm a sculptor.

1661
01:15:31,614 --> 01:15:32,876
I'm the only, to my knowledge,

1662
01:15:33,050 --> 01:15:35,879
specialist in death
masks in the UK,

1663
01:15:36,053 --> 01:15:39,839
which is how I got
to be pally with Joe.

1664
01:15:40,013 --> 01:15:43,495
I did his dad's
death mask, Malcolm,

1665
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:45,671
which you can see a
couple of copies here.

1666
01:15:47,499 --> 01:15:48,805
The original one's in bronze

1667
01:15:48,979 --> 01:15:50,546
on his headstone at
Highgate Cemetery,

1668
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,243
for those who don't know.

1669
01:15:52,417 --> 01:15:54,637
And strangely enough,

1670
01:15:56,247 --> 01:15:57,465
we've got a bit of sort of

1671
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,163
kind of kindred spirits of sorts

1672
01:15:59,337 --> 01:16:00,730
'cause my dad was
Bruce Reynolds,

1673
01:16:00,904 --> 01:16:02,514
the mastermind at the
Great Train Robbery,

1674
01:16:02,688 --> 01:16:05,517
and as you know, his partner
in crime, Ronnie Biggs,

1675
01:16:05,691 --> 01:16:07,998
was once upon a
time the lead singer

1676
01:16:08,172 --> 01:16:09,826
of the legendary Sex Pistols.

1677
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,219
So, we've both got
rather naughty dads.

1678
01:16:12,393 --> 01:16:14,047
So, yeah, I'm looking
forward to actually

1679
01:16:14,221 --> 01:16:17,442
seeing this all finished and
seeing it in the gallery.

1680
01:16:17,616 --> 01:16:19,357
- I think for me,

1681
01:16:19,531 --> 01:16:21,098
when I first said I was
going to burn all his stuff,

1682
01:16:21,272 --> 01:16:23,666
it was about getting a
reaction out of people

1683
01:16:25,145 --> 01:16:29,236
and a public conversation
going about price and value.

1684
01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:30,368
You know what I mean?

1685
01:16:30,542 --> 01:16:31,761
We know the price of a house,

1686
01:16:31,935 --> 01:16:33,284
but do we know the
value of a home?

1687
01:16:33,458 --> 01:16:35,155
And I'll talk about
that metaphorically.

1688
01:16:35,329 --> 01:16:38,245
The home being the world
that we live in together.

1689
01:16:38,419 --> 01:16:41,858
[somber orchestral music]

1690
01:16:45,339 --> 01:16:48,473
- [Gallery Attendee] Very
interesting to see the way

1691
01:16:48,647 --> 01:16:50,736
that you can just reduce
five million pounds

1692
01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:52,608
into a small coffin,

1693
01:16:52,782 --> 01:16:54,348
and I'm still not sure

1694
01:16:54,522 --> 01:16:56,916
is it selfish and fucking
sad or is it brilliant?

1695
01:16:59,179 --> 01:17:01,704
- [Finn] When you walk up
into that room upstairs,

1696
01:17:01,878 --> 01:17:03,227
it's mind-blowing.

1697
01:17:03,401 --> 01:17:04,663
I've not seen anything like it.

1698
01:17:04,837 --> 01:17:06,186
- [Interviewer] Do
you think anyone

1699
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,753
would pay five million
pound for the ashes?

1700
01:17:07,927 --> 01:17:09,886
- I think someone
might pay more.

1701
01:17:10,060 --> 01:17:13,106
[somber orchestral music]

1702
01:17:15,413 --> 01:17:18,242
- I think that punk
spirit transcends time,

1703
01:17:18,416 --> 01:17:21,245
so you can burn it and you
can burn the memorabilia,

1704
01:17:21,419 --> 01:17:22,812
but I think the spirit lives.

1705
01:17:25,771 --> 01:17:28,034
- The situation that led to all

1706
01:17:28,208 --> 01:17:32,735
this amazing passion and
spirit in historical form

1707
01:17:32,909 --> 01:17:36,260
being completely smashed
and destroyed and exploited.

1708
01:17:36,434 --> 01:17:39,002
People over-commercialized
and they manipulated

1709
01:17:39,176 --> 01:17:41,657
and re-appropriated
the punk spirit,

1710
01:17:41,831 --> 01:17:45,008
and that is why we are stood
in Mayfair, of all places,

1711
01:17:45,182 --> 01:17:47,010
looking at a pile of ash.

1712
01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:49,490
[somber orchestral music]

1713
01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:52,189
- [Sauven] You know, I
really like this work of art

1714
01:17:52,363 --> 01:17:56,062
and I love the film that's
being created that goes with it,

1715
01:17:56,236 --> 01:17:59,326
and I think if that
provokes a conversation

1716
01:17:59,500 --> 01:18:03,200
and people start talking about
what they really do value,

1717
01:18:03,374 --> 01:18:04,897
then, of course,

1718
01:18:05,071 --> 01:18:08,335
this becomes far more important
than some old designs.

1719
01:18:08,509 --> 01:18:09,772
What are we actually
valuing here?

1720
01:18:09,946 --> 01:18:11,904
Are we here valuing life?

1721
01:18:12,078 --> 01:18:12,992
Nature?

1722
01:18:13,166 --> 01:18:14,951
The beauty of planet Earth?

1723
01:18:15,125 --> 01:18:17,693
Or are we just turning into a
commodity and just selling it

1724
01:18:17,867 --> 01:18:20,043
for whatever money we can make,

1725
01:18:20,217 --> 01:18:24,264
regardless of how
much destruction it's
actually causing?

1726
01:18:24,438 --> 01:18:26,963
[gulls cawing]

1727
01:18:27,964 --> 01:18:30,662
[pigs snorting]

1728
01:18:32,795 --> 01:18:36,059
[somber strings music]

1729
01:19:08,613 --> 01:19:10,833
- [Vivienne] I hate
the establishment

1730
01:19:11,007 --> 01:19:13,139
because it's a killing machine

1731
01:19:13,313 --> 01:19:15,359
and the world
could be different.

1732
01:19:15,533 --> 01:19:18,275
That's why I wanted anarchy.

1733
01:19:18,449 --> 01:19:20,756
But they're the real anarchists.

1734
01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:22,758
Their whole political,

1735
01:19:22,932 --> 01:19:27,850
domestic home policy and war
policy is sow the whirlwind,

1736
01:19:28,633 --> 01:19:30,069
reap the whirlwind.

1737
01:19:30,243 --> 01:19:33,507
[somber strings music]

1738
01:19:35,118 --> 01:19:40,079
[animals howling]
[birds chirping]

1739
01:20:06,758 --> 01:20:11,719
[animals screaming]
[suspenseful music]

1740
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,568
[suspenseful music echoes]

1741
01:20:38,398 --> 01:20:40,836
[eerie music]

1742
01:20:58,549 --> 01:20:59,942
♪ Where are your eyes ♪

1743
01:21:00,116 --> 01:21:01,465
♪ That look so mild ♪

1744
01:21:01,639 --> 01:21:03,119
♪ Hurroo ♪

1745
01:21:03,293 --> 01:21:04,729
♪ Hurroo ♪

1746
01:21:04,903 --> 01:21:06,296
♪ Where are your eyes ♪

1747
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:07,950
♪ That look so mild ♪

1748
01:21:08,124 --> 01:21:09,647
♪ Hurroo ♪

1749
01:21:09,821 --> 01:21:11,301
♪ Hurroo ♪

1750
01:21:11,475 --> 01:21:12,868
♪ Where are your eyes ♪

1751
01:21:13,042 --> 01:21:14,739
♪ That look so mild ♪

1752
01:21:14,913 --> 01:21:19,091
♪ When my poor heart
you first beguiled ♪

1753
01:21:19,265 --> 01:21:23,400
♪ Why did you run from
me and the child ♪

1754
01:21:23,574 --> 01:21:28,361
♪ Oh, Johnny, I
hardly knew you ♪

1755
01:21:28,535 --> 01:21:31,451
♪ With drums and guns
and guns and drums ♪

1756
01:21:31,625 --> 01:21:32,975
♪ Hurroo ♪

1757
01:21:33,149 --> 01:21:34,672
♪ Hurroo ♪

1758
01:21:34,846 --> 01:21:37,631
♪ With drums and guns
and guns and drums ♪

1759
01:21:37,805 --> 01:21:39,285
♪ Hurroo ♪

1760
01:21:39,459 --> 01:21:41,026
♪ Hurroo ♪

1761
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:43,942
♪ With drums and guns
and guns and drums ♪

1762
01:21:44,116 --> 01:21:48,251
♪ The enemy nearly slew you ♪

1763
01:21:48,425 --> 01:21:52,646
♪ My darling, dear,
you look so queer ♪

1764
01:21:52,820 --> 01:21:57,303
♪ Oh, Johnny, I
hardly knew you ♪

1765
01:21:57,477 --> 01:21:58,478
♪ You haven't an arm ♪

1766
01:21:58,652 --> 01:21:59,827
♪ And you haven't a leg ♪

1767
01:22:00,002 --> 01:22:01,177
♪ Hurroo ♪

1768
01:22:01,351 --> 01:22:02,787
♪ Hurroo ♪

1769
01:22:02,961 --> 01:22:03,831
♪ You haven't an arm ♪

1770
01:22:04,006 --> 01:22:05,268
♪ You haven't a leg ♪

1771
01:22:05,442 --> 01:22:06,660
♪ Hurroo ♪

1772
01:22:06,834 --> 01:22:08,445
♪ Hurroo ♪

1773
01:22:08,619 --> 01:22:10,838
♪ You haven't an arm
and you haven't a leg ♪

1774
01:22:11,013 --> 01:22:14,625
♪ You're an eyeless,
nose-less, chicken-less egg ♪

1775
01:22:14,799 --> 01:22:18,368
♪ You'll have to be put
with a bowl to beg ♪

1776
01:22:18,542 --> 01:22:23,025
♪ Oh, Johnny, I
hardly knew you ♪

1777
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:26,332
♪ But sad it is to see you so ♪

1778
01:22:26,506 --> 01:22:27,855
♪ Hurroo ♪

1779
01:22:28,030 --> 01:22:29,553
♪ Hurroo ♪

1780
01:22:29,727 --> 01:22:32,817
♪ But sad is to see you so ♪

1781
01:22:32,991 --> 01:22:34,253
♪ Hurroo ♪

1782
01:22:34,427 --> 01:22:36,299
♪ Hurroo ♪

1783
01:22:36,473 --> 01:22:39,693
♪ But sad it is to see you so ♪

1784
01:22:39,867 --> 01:22:44,046
♪ To think of you now
as an object of woe ♪

1785
01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:48,006
♪ Your Peggy'll still
keep you on as her beau ♪

1786
01:22:48,180 --> 01:22:52,750
♪ Oh, Johnny, I
hardly knew you ♪

1787
01:22:52,924 --> 01:22:56,188
♪ With guns and drums
and drums and guns ♪

1788
01:22:56,362 --> 01:22:57,885
♪ Hurroo ♪

1789
01:22:58,060 --> 01:22:59,583
♪ Hurroo ♪

1790
01:22:59,757 --> 01:23:02,890
♪ With drums and guns
and guns and drums ♪

1791
01:23:03,065 --> 01:23:04,544
♪ Hurroo ♪

1792
01:23:04,718 --> 01:23:06,285
♪ Hurroo ♪

1793
01:23:06,459 --> 01:23:09,375
♪ With drums and guns
and guns and drums ♪

1794
01:23:09,549 --> 01:23:13,597
♪ The enemy nearly slewed you ♪

1795
01:23:13,771 --> 01:23:18,689
♪ My darling dear,
you look so queer ♪

1796
01:23:19,951 --> 01:23:23,781
♪ Oh, Johnny, I
hardly knew you ♪