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Okay, um... one thing
that we need to keep in mind,
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let's say we get
a ping on the shark buoy.
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If you use the phone
to let somebody know,
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you still need to, like,
let the other beaches know.
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The other thing is, is that
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if you close your beach because
you visually see a shark,
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you need to let
your parking lot person know.
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If it's not
a confirmed sighting,
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you're closing the beach,
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you know, it's...
it's-it, it's on you.
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Any questions?
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Okay.
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Have a great day.
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Definitely now it's a lot more
stressful and less carefree.
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We still have all the hazards
that we dealt with before,
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like rip currents
and all of those things.
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And then on top of that,
we have this
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additional hazard
called white sharks.
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- How are you?
It's very hot.
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Suzy Blake:
It's good to see you. I know.
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I'm glad you're back
this summer.
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Me too.
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Police Officer:
Thanks for coming out to
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Cape Cod National Seashore.
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It's a wild marine environment,
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with sharks returning
as the top predators.
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Sharks are here.
They're a dangerous animal.
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Recreation has been established
in their absence.
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That is what
is so unique about Cape Cod
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relative to other areas
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where sharks are present
around the world.
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So this is our boat.
This was new last year.
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We got a lot of new tools
and equipment
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after the fatality.
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If we see people swimming
far out, it makes us nervous,
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so we will tell them to come in.
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That's another new thing
that has come about
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because of the sharks.
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How big do you think they are?
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Well, we get a lot
of different ones,
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and they'll be anywhere
from like eight feet
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all the way up
to like 14, 15 feet.
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It's such an incredible thing
that's, um, happening here.
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But, you know,
I realize that
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not everybody-- not everybody
sees it that way.
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When you're at a place
like Cape Cod where,
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let's face it,
multiple species love this area
for different reasons,
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um, and there's overlap here
of white sharks and humans.
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And it's hard because a lot
of people who have lived here
for decades,
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they didn't have to
think about this
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until the past 10 years or so.
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And so it's been a big--
a big shift for them.
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- GoPros?
- GoPros.
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- All the accoutrements.
- Check. Yes.
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- Hi, folks.
How are ya?
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Good. Good.
Have a good time out there?
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Yeah, so let them people know,
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as they're coming in
there was a shark sighting,
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so they can't get in the water
for at least another 45 minutes.
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Oh, yeah. You-- I told--
I forgot to tell them, yeah.
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Hi. Good.
How are you?
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- I'm good.
- Good.
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How you been?
Staying out of trouble?
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Oh, come on.
That's no fun.
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- Yeah.
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Bye-bye.
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Guide
And the spring line is clear.
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No turning back now.
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You're on for the whale watch.
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Now, what are we gonna see?
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Uh, fin whale, humpback whale,
minke whale.
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Uh, we do occasionally see
great white sharks out here.
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But you won't see a shark
unless it's feeding.
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And if it is,
it's very colorful.
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Paul Tasha: Remember that year
when you were seeing
an average of like...
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four or five sharks every day?
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Tom Smith: Oh, yeah.
I didn't even wanna tell you
how many I saw that day.
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One came up next to the boat
in shallow water.
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We were hauling back.
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It literally took
my breath away.
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It was-- honest to God,
I'm not exaggerating.
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It was like "Jaws."
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I'll tell you
why I believe you.
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The only one I got a really
good look at underwater
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was that kind of big.
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And I'm looking at it,
and, you know, it just had
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that slow, massive look to it,
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like, I mean, do fucking
great whites even get that big?
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It, it had to be like, this
big a-- I'm not shitting you.
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It was like
this fucking big around.
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The only two I've seen was when
it was really good visibility,
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which leads me
to wonder how many I didn't see
when it was shitty and murky.
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Alec Wilkinson:
There was a time some years ago
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that I was writing
about scientists
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who were working
with the sharks in Cape Cod.
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They arrived with
all the fanfare of saying,
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oh, they'll be tagging
all these sharks,
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catching all these sharks.
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Well, they caught
two the entire expedition.
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And I went out there,
you know, on my first day,
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went thinking I'd see a shark,
and that'd be it,
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and I'd go home
and write my piece.
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Well, I had to keep going
back for 11 days.
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The sharks weren't
abundant then.
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They would be quite
some distance from shore.
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Every once in a while,
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they'd be found near shore,
maybe near Chatham,
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but they were, were not
near the beaches.
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Okay. We're in Truro
at Ballston Beach,
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where someone's been...
I don't know what.
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Do we know what happened here, anyone?
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Bitten by something or...?
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Chris Myers was
in the water with his son
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when a great white
sunk his teeth into his leg.
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He managed to get free
and was taken to the hospital
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with eight deep gouges
and some torn tendons.
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It seemed like
more and more sharks
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were arriving each year,
and suddenly,
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you're really getting them
near the beaches.
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In August of 2018,
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we were on the beach
one afternoon about to go
in the water
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when we heard
what sounded like shouting,
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maybe a hundred yards
down the beach.
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Call at
Longnook Beach for a subject
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possibly bitten
by a shark in the thigh.
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Jeff Souza: We got a call
for a possible shark bite
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at Longnook Beach.
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I said, "Oh, there's no way
this is a shark bite,
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because it's very rare
around here."
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But once I saw it,
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I knew that it was
not just something small.
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This was like something
completely different.
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He was bleeding considerably.
He had been bitten on the leg.
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Sixty-two-year-old
William Lytton
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attacked in waist-deep water
off Truro Beach.
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Reporter 2:
He escaped by punching
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the shark in the gills,
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something he had seen
on a nature show.
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But not until
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the poor boy
was killed in Wellfleet,
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did it really seem like,
"Okay, now they're here."
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Dana Franchitto: It was such
a joyous summer day.
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Late summer day.
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Everybody's having fun,
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whether you're surfing,
boogie boarding,
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swimming, beachcombing.
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Drew Taylor: As good as a day
you could ask for on the Cape.
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And, like, families
were on the beach and there
were surf breaks all over.
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And then Arthur
was down here with his,
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you know,
good friend, uh, Isaac.
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Twenty-six-year-old
Arthur Medici,
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on his boogie board
with his friend, Isaac Rocha...
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Mitzi Riley:
About 9:30, I was by myself.
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I walked way down the beach,
same as always.
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And there was two people
in the water already
with their boogie boards,
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putting on an incredible show,
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and I was their little personal
cheerleader up on the hill.
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I heard a tone.
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And as I stood,
I saw the blood.
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Isaac was screaming
at the top of his lungs
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to help him,
help him, help him.
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Now, I'm looking down
that hill and I says,
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"Just what
the fuck are you going to do?"
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I went in.
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A wave came up
over Arthur's face
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and I got underneath
and pulled him up on top of me,
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because we couldn't
move him any further.
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I did look down at one point,
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and saw that his legs were
kind of laced open,
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but no blood.
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There was no blood around us.
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All the blood was... long gone.
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I, uh... told both boys
how much I loved them
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and I kissed them both
and hollered for God,
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and cried and waited
for help to come.
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I had no clue what the hell
had just happened.
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I'm at,
uh, Newcomb Hollow Beach
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in Wellfleet, Massachusetts.
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I've just seen a surfer
get bit by a shark.
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It's about 300 yards
down the beach.
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- I saw the whole thing happen.
Okay. Okay, sir--
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But It was
a hell of a hit, man.
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I saw the whole thing happen.
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It looks like they're
carrying him
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off the beach right now.
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Reporter
At this time,
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I have a report of
an unknown shark bite.
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The lifeguards were
trying to work on him.
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EMT
We have an unconscious male.
Severe leg injuries.
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There was no helping
this poor boy.
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That morning I got the call.
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We're inbound from
a closed area way to the east,
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70 miles to the east of P-Town.
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And as soon as I got service,
my daughter called.
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She's like, "I think my friend
got killed by a shark."
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After he was taken away,
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it was such a stunned silence.
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We just didn't know.
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We're kind of looking
at each other like, "Wow.
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Did we just get punched
in the face?"
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That's what it kind of
felt like, you know?
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That is just--
it's such a haunting story.
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I feel so for his family and...
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Violence can intersect
any moment practically,
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it seems like,
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but one wouldn't have thought
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of a sunny afternoon
off the coast of New England
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that a shadow was waiting.
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It's the first fatal
shark attack Cape Cod has seen
in more than 80 years.
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Reporter 2: Officials ordered
Newcomb Hollow Beach closed
until further notice.
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After a summer full of shark
sightings on Cape Cod
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and one previous
nonfatal attack,
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it's getting harder and harder
to downplay the danger.
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That was a turning point.
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Town Official:
Okay. So thank you.
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It's now 6 p.m.,
September 27th, 2018,
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and this is a meeting
on sharks.
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I wanna first start off
saying that our town
is very distraught
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and sad about the loss
of Arthur Medici.
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It has affected
all of us deeply.
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Tonight, we are here
to discuss what happened.
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We have representatives,
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experts that will
answer questions
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and give a brief description
of what may be done
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to improve safety
on Cape Cod beaches.
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Um, so we are getting
a pretty good idea
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of when sharks are here,
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where they are
when they're here.
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We haven't seen
any major changes
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in their predatory behavior.
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We have had a lot of reports
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of sightings that people
have sent in
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that have gotten
a lot of attention.
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I wanna remind our
elected officials
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that the death
of 26-year-old Arthur Medici
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was not his fault,
it was ours.
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Government officials are
sitting behind these tables
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telling us, we the people,
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we can't do anything
in our own environment.
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If you were standing
there that day,
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you'd be fighting for it.
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This was a beautiful young man
245
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who lost his life because we've
been sitting doing nothing.
246
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On the day that it happened,
I think you were working.
247
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- Right.
- And it was just me
and Mom down the Cape.
248
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And I went to go grab my board,
249
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and she's like, "You're
absolutely not going out today."
250
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I was like, "Why not?
I just, like, worked
a really hard shift.
251
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"Like, I really wanna
just go out surfing.
252
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The waves are beautiful."
253
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- And the waves are good, right?
- Like, it's a no suit day.
254
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It was a no suit day.
255
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And I was like, "I'm gonna go,"
and she, like, stalled me
256
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for like 30 minutes and so
I was late going to the beach.
257
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Because I told her, "Absolutely
under no circumstances
258
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"will you let the girls
go out and surf
259
00:15:02,027 --> 00:15:03,194
- without me being there."
- Yeah.
260
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That's where your mother
put her foot down.
261
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- Yeah.
- And I'm glad she did
because, you know--
262
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She's the reason I wasn't
in the water at the time.
263
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John Kartsounis:
Exactly.
264
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Kartsounis
Good evening, uh, everyone.
265
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My name is John Kartsounis,
Wellfleet resident.
266
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I'm the father
of three children,
267
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two of which, uh, have been
lifeguards in the past,
268
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one is senior lifeguard.
269
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My daughter was present during
270
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Arthur Medici's,
uh, fatal attack.
271
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It was horrific.
272
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She tried to help
as best she could.
273
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I've been surfing
and swimming
274
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in the outer beaches
for 35 years.
275
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Um, I won't allow my kids
to go in anymore.
276
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We have a problem here,
ladies and gentlemen,
277
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and the problem is manmade.
278
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So-- excuse me. So thank you.
I appreciate it.
279
00:15:52,535 --> 00:15:55,955
I mean, there's lots of people
here who feel that way
about sharks--
280
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I think public safety
281
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is an important issue.
282
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- Yes.
- That's the role of government.
283
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Number-one role of government
is public safety.
284
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Not shark safety.
Not shark conservation.
285
00:16:05,256 --> 00:16:09,594
And I understand
where some of the advocates
on that side are coming from,
286
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but not to be
at the expense of humans.
287
00:16:12,847 --> 00:16:15,892
And that's the issue here,
and we have to address it.
288
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And I hope you all take it
very seriously.
289
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Thank you.
290
00:16:32,033 --> 00:16:33,326
What you doing?
291
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Meg Winton: Getting rubber bands
to put around my wrist.
292
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- This is how I work.
- Oh. You want more?
293
00:16:38,623 --> 00:16:42,502
I'm gonna get more.
Just have them ready to go.
294
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With the emergence of Cape Cod
295
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as a new seasonal aggregation
site for white sharks,
296
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there's a lot of science
going on off the coast here.
297
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You hand me that... Meg, Megan?
298
00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:06,776
Thanks.
299
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All the research
we're doing here
300
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is really to learn more
about these animals,
301
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so that we can prevent the risk
302
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of somebody having a bad
interaction with a white shark.
303
00:17:16,953 --> 00:17:20,206
You got any more, Wayne?
This one's staying deep.
304
00:17:20,206 --> 00:17:22,292
Wayne
Yep, uh...
305
00:17:22,292 --> 00:17:25,086
There's one just on the other
side of that guy.
306
00:17:25,086 --> 00:17:26,838
It's on his port bow,
it's a small one.
307
00:17:26,838 --> 00:17:28,340
Yeah. That sounds good.
308
00:17:28,340 --> 00:17:30,717
Well, we like action.
309
00:17:34,012 --> 00:17:36,806
The number one question
I think we get asked is,
310
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"How many of them
are out there?"
311
00:17:38,183 --> 00:17:39,934
And we haven't had an answer.
312
00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:42,562
There's never been
an actual number.
313
00:17:42,562 --> 00:17:47,525
So part of our mission is
to catalog the white sharks
of Cape Cod.
314
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Greg Skomal: We're gonna
put out some acoustic tags,
315
00:17:52,197 --> 00:17:54,532
which will be those
long-term tags
316
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that will be picked up
by a, a receiver array.
317
00:17:56,659 --> 00:17:59,287
All right.
Slow down. Slow down.
318
00:17:59,287 --> 00:18:00,538
I'm in the glare here.
319
00:18:00,538 --> 00:18:02,374
I should be right there
pretty close now.
320
00:18:02,374 --> 00:18:06,086
Just, just stop there, John.
Just let them come to you.
321
00:18:06,086 --> 00:18:07,962
Yeah, he's down.
322
00:18:10,715 --> 00:18:13,051
Are we ready to go?
323
00:18:13,051 --> 00:18:15,053
Yes, sir.
Okay.
324
00:18:15,053 --> 00:18:18,390
As long as he doesn't
spook, we're--
325
00:18:18,390 --> 00:18:19,683
I like the way it's acting.
326
00:18:19,683 --> 00:18:21,768
A little zigzag action.
He's down a little bit.
327
00:18:21,768 --> 00:18:24,312
Bobbing and weaving.
I need him to slow down
328
00:18:24,312 --> 00:18:27,399
'cause I don't wanna
knock the tag off the pole.
329
00:18:27,399 --> 00:18:29,901
The degree of difficulty
is high on this one.
330
00:18:29,901 --> 00:18:32,570
Yeah. Look at this.
It's a-- it's a wormy one.
331
00:18:32,570 --> 00:18:35,407
Wayne
Down back if you need help.
332
00:18:35,407 --> 00:18:39,536
Down a little.
Ah, don't turn.
333
00:18:39,536 --> 00:18:41,621
Don't turn.
334
00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:48,169
- Oh! Damn.
Piece of work.
335
00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:49,170
Slow down.
336
00:18:49,170 --> 00:18:50,505
Out of gear.
337
00:18:50,505 --> 00:18:53,091
Nine feet of water.
338
00:18:53,091 --> 00:18:55,218
Down pretty good.
339
00:18:55,218 --> 00:18:57,095
Hold on, Greg.
340
00:18:57,095 --> 00:18:58,388
It's just enough.
341
00:18:58,388 --> 00:19:01,266
We don't need that
to pop off, you know?
342
00:19:06,396 --> 00:19:08,940
You got him.
Good job! Nice job.
343
00:19:08,940 --> 00:19:10,108
Yeah!
344
00:19:10,108 --> 00:19:12,152
All right, keep an eye!
Keep an eye.
345
00:19:19,951 --> 00:19:21,786
Oh, that's great.
346
00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:23,872
Nice work. Victory, Captain.
347
00:19:25,540 --> 00:19:28,460
There's an acoustic
transmitter on that,
348
00:19:28,460 --> 00:19:29,919
and that's gonna stay on.
349
00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:32,881
That's why we use the dart.
The dart's gonna hold that in.
350
00:19:32,881 --> 00:19:34,632
That'll ping for 10 years.
351
00:19:39,054 --> 00:19:42,724
There she goes.
All right, you can--
352
00:19:44,768 --> 00:19:46,895
Every time
a tagged shark swims by
353
00:19:46,895 --> 00:19:48,980
one of our real-time receivers,
354
00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:52,317
people will immediately see
that information on their phone.
355
00:19:53,318 --> 00:19:56,863
It's now integrated
with our app, Sharktivity.
356
00:20:00,617 --> 00:20:02,535
There's also information
on which shark it was.
357
00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:04,788
There's a photo of the shark.
358
00:20:08,458 --> 00:20:11,336
It's really changed the way
people think about sharks
359
00:20:11,336 --> 00:20:12,671
off of our coastline,
360
00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:15,674
and how frequently
they occur near shore waters.
361
00:20:27,811 --> 00:20:30,772
Let's see
if we're getting them.
362
00:20:31,022 --> 00:20:34,484
Oh, so Joanie came by at 2:30
last night and left at 3:00.
363
00:20:34,484 --> 00:20:36,361
- Who is that? Jodi?
Joanie.
364
00:20:36,361 --> 00:20:38,113
Joanie?
Yeah.
365
00:20:38,113 --> 00:20:41,199
I-I don't know how big
Joanie is, but--
366
00:20:41,199 --> 00:20:43,868
All right.
Hopefully, this will work today.
367
00:20:48,123 --> 00:20:51,418
We fly that all
the time just so people know
368
00:20:51,418 --> 00:20:53,003
that there are sharks
in the water.
369
00:20:53,003 --> 00:20:55,547
It's basically like you should
go in at your own discretion.
370
00:20:55,547 --> 00:20:56,715
I--
However,
371
00:20:56,715 --> 00:20:58,633
if we detect one
on our buoy or see one,
372
00:20:58,633 --> 00:21:01,386
then we get everyone out
of the water and change it
to a black flag.
373
00:21:01,386 --> 00:21:02,679
Oh. To black?
Yep.
374
00:21:02,679 --> 00:21:04,848
Okay. Just wondered.
Yep.
375
00:21:04,848 --> 00:21:06,433
Have a great day.
376
00:21:22,073 --> 00:21:24,409
I just saw a seal
on the sandbar.
377
00:21:26,411 --> 00:21:30,081
When we see a seal,
it makes us nervous.
378
00:21:32,542 --> 00:21:34,085
That is a shark!
379
00:21:34,085 --> 00:21:35,462
Sharks are so stealth.
380
00:21:35,462 --> 00:21:39,090
They just sneak up
on their prey.
381
00:21:39,090 --> 00:21:42,719
The seals are really agile so
they can swim away really fast,
382
00:21:42,719 --> 00:21:45,930
but obviously humans
are not as agile.
383
00:21:58,818 --> 00:22:01,654
You can see that fish
a mile away, huh?
384
00:22:04,616 --> 00:22:06,409
Sucker's in shallow water, man.
385
00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:08,119
- Sure is, huh?
- Like, uh, motivated.
386
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,245
Eight feet here,
387
00:22:09,245 --> 00:22:11,664
and it's seven feet
and it's going in.
388
00:22:11,664 --> 00:22:14,959
It's got a pile
of seals right there.
389
00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:17,087
This sucker's hunting.
390
00:22:19,714 --> 00:22:20,965
Greg Skomal,
391
00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:23,385
who is the one person
on the east coast
392
00:22:23,385 --> 00:22:25,720
who really knows
what the circumstances are,
393
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,307
had always told me that sharks,
so far as he could tell,
394
00:22:29,808 --> 00:22:32,769
would not enter
into the surf zone
395
00:22:32,769 --> 00:22:36,356
because they had an instinctive
fear of being breached.
396
00:22:37,982 --> 00:22:42,112
Unhappily for me, he amended
that last year to say, "Well...
397
00:22:42,112 --> 00:22:44,489
"not sure anymore.
398
00:22:44,489 --> 00:22:48,827
"We now have seen occasions
where they go right
into the surf after a seal.
399
00:22:48,827 --> 00:22:52,122
If they're chasing something,
they'll certainly go
into the surf," he said.
400
00:23:08,138 --> 00:23:10,557
- Lisa Sette: You see that?
- Liz Bradfield: Oh, yeah.
That's a seal coming.
401
00:23:10,557 --> 00:23:12,017
Is it?
Mm-hmm.
402
00:23:12,017 --> 00:23:13,643
That one has a scar on its back.
403
00:23:13,643 --> 00:23:16,521
It was--
I just saw a divot, you know?
404
00:23:18,356 --> 00:23:19,733
D, can you photograph this?
405
00:23:19,733 --> 00:23:21,276
I will, yeah.
- Yep.
406
00:23:21,276 --> 00:23:22,569
Oh, yeah. Look at that.
407
00:23:26,781 --> 00:23:29,576
I can't see a wound.
I see...
408
00:23:29,576 --> 00:23:31,578
I mean, it's not like
bloody or anything.
409
00:23:31,578 --> 00:23:33,913
It's not--
it's like a healed divot.
410
00:23:33,913 --> 00:23:36,332
No, that's not,
that's too old, Lis.
411
00:23:36,332 --> 00:23:38,084
- Do you see it?
I see it.
412
00:23:38,084 --> 00:23:39,210
There's a white--
413
00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:41,671
it looks white
below the surface.
414
00:23:45,675 --> 00:23:48,261
I don't live very far from here,
and, um,
415
00:23:48,261 --> 00:23:50,889
two years ago,
I rode out here in August
416
00:23:50,889 --> 00:23:53,600
and it was, uh, later
in the afternoon,
417
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,643
and I got off my bike
and I just looked out,
418
00:23:55,643 --> 00:23:57,479
and there was a white shark.
419
00:23:57,479 --> 00:23:58,897
And I was like, "Oh, wow."
420
00:23:58,897 --> 00:24:01,566
I spent about
an hour watching it.
421
00:24:01,566 --> 00:24:04,736
And then seals started
passing through
422
00:24:04,736 --> 00:24:08,573
really close to shore,
just traveling north or south.
423
00:24:08,573 --> 00:24:11,493
And rafts of birds came in,
boats were going by,
424
00:24:11,493 --> 00:24:12,827
and I was just like,
425
00:24:12,827 --> 00:24:16,247
we could do, like, a,
a little behavioral study here,
426
00:24:16,247 --> 00:24:19,584
and look at seal behavior
and white shark behavior.
427
00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:22,420
So, when we stand out here,
what we're looking at is
428
00:24:22,420 --> 00:24:27,384
basically how seals
and white sharks transit,
429
00:24:27,384 --> 00:24:29,928
or spend time
right off the bluff here.
430
00:24:29,928 --> 00:24:32,764
Oh, wait. We got a seal.
Sorry. I have to get a--
431
00:24:32,764 --> 00:24:35,892
Okay, Marjorie, you ready?
432
00:24:35,892 --> 00:24:38,311
Ninety-four bearing.
433
00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:41,564
I'm gonna get you distance.
434
00:24:41,564 --> 00:24:44,109
- 142 heading north.
435
00:24:44,109 --> 00:24:45,026
Circling.
436
00:24:45,026 --> 00:24:45,944
Oh, interaction.
437
00:24:45,944 --> 00:24:47,779
Whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
438
00:24:47,779 --> 00:24:52,325
There was a interaction between
the first and third animal.
439
00:24:52,325 --> 00:24:54,703
Uh, for some reason, the third
animal got a little too close
440
00:24:54,703 --> 00:24:55,745
and the first animal...
441
00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:56,830
- Flipped around.
- ...flipped around
442
00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:59,457
and gave a body check.
443
00:24:59,457 --> 00:25:00,750
That was interesting.
444
00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:03,211
That was interesting.
445
00:25:03,211 --> 00:25:07,716
Seals can tell us a lot
about th-the ocean environment.
446
00:25:07,716 --> 00:25:10,301
They're a species that
reflects back to us,
447
00:25:10,301 --> 00:25:11,970
um, ecosystem health.
448
00:25:11,970 --> 00:25:14,806
That makes them
a great messenger for us,
449
00:25:14,806 --> 00:25:17,684
and to be witnessing
the recovery of a species.
450
00:25:17,684 --> 00:25:18,935
You know, there's this
whole idea
451
00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:20,311
of shifting baselines, right?
452
00:25:20,311 --> 00:25:22,856
That what you grew up with
is what's "normal."
453
00:25:22,856 --> 00:25:25,483
And oftentimes the story
of shifting baselines,
454
00:25:25,483 --> 00:25:27,318
is of decrease.
455
00:25:27,318 --> 00:25:29,988
But here, we're having
a shifting of baselines
upward with the seals,
456
00:25:29,988 --> 00:25:33,241
and, and that's pretty,
pretty amazing, too.
457
00:25:33,241 --> 00:25:37,203
People saying, "You know,
I didn't used to see all
these seals," and they're right.
458
00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:38,538
They didn't.
459
00:26:14,032 --> 00:26:16,534
Crocker Snow: I've spent a lot
of time all over the world.
460
00:26:16,534 --> 00:26:19,037
All kinds of places
that I like.
461
00:26:19,037 --> 00:26:22,624
But when I set foot
on Muskeget,
462
00:26:22,624 --> 00:26:26,044
the moment my foot
hits the sand,
463
00:26:26,044 --> 00:26:29,381
I'm in the Muskeget thing instantly.
464
00:26:29,381 --> 00:26:31,716
Nothing else.
465
00:26:31,716 --> 00:26:33,009
My first exposure was,
466
00:26:33,009 --> 00:26:35,553
I was nine years old
right after Dad got it.
467
00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:37,472
And he came down
on a Piper Cub,
468
00:26:37,472 --> 00:26:39,724
the yellow planes
with single engine,
469
00:26:39,724 --> 00:26:43,061
and I had my best friend
in the back.
470
00:26:43,061 --> 00:26:45,897
And he landed out
on that beach.
471
00:26:45,897 --> 00:26:48,566
He dropped us off,
got back on the plane,
472
00:26:48,566 --> 00:26:50,235
said, "I'll be back"
and took off.
473
00:26:50,235 --> 00:26:54,572
And I distinctly remember
sitting there with my friend
474
00:26:54,572 --> 00:26:57,492
and watching
the yellow plane disappear.
475
00:26:57,492 --> 00:26:59,911
- I bet.
- And everywhere we walked,
476
00:26:59,911 --> 00:27:02,038
there were seagulls
attacking us,
477
00:27:02,038 --> 00:27:03,915
'cause we were going through
a nest without knowing it.
478
00:27:03,915 --> 00:27:05,083
Kimberly Murray:
Uh-huh.
479
00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:09,087
It was like
Alfred Hitchcock's "Birds."
480
00:27:09,087 --> 00:27:11,214
We found an old 2x4
or something,
481
00:27:11,214 --> 00:27:12,507
and we were sort of...
482
00:27:12,507 --> 00:27:13,550
see if the plane--
483
00:27:14,426 --> 00:27:17,220
My memory and what I wrote
was just about two hours.
484
00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:20,724
And eventually we saw
this little yellow plane
coming in.
485
00:27:27,439 --> 00:27:30,608
We think of ourselves as
the stewards of the island,
486
00:27:30,608 --> 00:27:32,402
you know, to keep it
the way it is,
487
00:27:32,402 --> 00:27:33,695
except for the gray seals.
488
00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:35,697
Um--
489
00:27:37,574 --> 00:27:40,118
You-You know what I mean.
You know exactly what I mean.
490
00:27:41,453 --> 00:27:43,121
I don't want them to overtake
491
00:27:43,121 --> 00:27:46,124
all the other species
on the island.
492
00:27:48,793 --> 00:27:53,298
You didn't see any pups
born here in 1960, did you?
493
00:27:53,298 --> 00:27:56,885
The first one was
found, I think, in '64,
494
00:27:56,885 --> 00:27:59,054
and then there were 20 or 40.
495
00:27:59,054 --> 00:28:00,972
And they had--
they were by name.
496
00:28:00,972 --> 00:28:02,682
The scientist said,
"There's Mariel."
497
00:28:02,682 --> 00:28:04,059
I-I've told you that.
498
00:28:04,059 --> 00:28:05,643
- There's so few of them,
they could name them.
- Yes.
499
00:28:05,643 --> 00:28:08,521
They named them.
And it was cute.
500
00:28:12,275 --> 00:28:14,652
You know, 15, 20 years ago,
501
00:28:14,652 --> 00:28:16,488
if you saw a seal,
it was sort of an event.
502
00:28:17,197 --> 00:28:20,575
When I was a little kid and we
spent our summers in Cape Cod,
503
00:28:20,575 --> 00:28:22,619
we might see two a summer.
504
00:28:22,619 --> 00:28:24,412
And you kind of go,
"Wow. It's really cool.
505
00:28:24,412 --> 00:28:27,457
I was down at Ballston today
and there was a seal!"
506
00:28:34,464 --> 00:28:37,300
People are
very surprised, even locals,
507
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:38,426
when they see seals here
508
00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:39,969
because they were
gone for so long
509
00:28:39,969 --> 00:28:41,304
because of the bounties.
510
00:28:46,518 --> 00:28:49,979
It was perceived that
the seals were responsible
511
00:28:49,979 --> 00:28:53,483
for eating down the
commercially important fishes.
512
00:28:53,483 --> 00:28:55,235
So the seals were bountied.
513
00:28:55,235 --> 00:28:59,406
People were paid for noses
or pelts or flippers.
514
00:29:02,617 --> 00:29:07,497
Tim Reinemo: My grandfather
used to hunt for them, sure.
515
00:29:07,497 --> 00:29:09,582
Muskeget was
a great hunting ground.
516
00:29:09,582 --> 00:29:10,959
Used to be able to
go out there and get 'em
517
00:29:10,959 --> 00:29:12,919
and bring back the noses.
518
00:29:14,838 --> 00:29:16,798
You could also cut the ear off.
519
00:29:17,716 --> 00:29:20,969
Over 20,000 seals are
believed to have been bountied
520
00:29:20,969 --> 00:29:23,513
in, um, Massachusetts waters.
521
00:29:25,098 --> 00:29:27,934
And then, in 1972, the
Marine Mammal Protection Act
522
00:29:27,934 --> 00:29:31,479
was put in place
to protect seals.
523
00:29:37,986 --> 00:29:42,907
By the time they hit about 200,
I asked her, Valerie--
524
00:29:42,907 --> 00:29:44,617
- Rue.
- Yeah.
525
00:29:44,617 --> 00:29:48,288
- Valerie Rue.
- And she said they'll never
get to more than a thousand.
526
00:29:48,288 --> 00:29:51,916
There, there won't be enough
feed, or there'll be disease.
527
00:29:51,916 --> 00:29:55,587
And she was obviously
dead wrong.
528
00:30:11,102 --> 00:30:13,688
We have all the problems
with the sharks.
529
00:30:13,688 --> 00:30:15,357
It's obvious.
530
00:30:15,357 --> 00:30:17,734
I mean, nobody has to think
about that too much.
531
00:30:17,734 --> 00:30:21,988
They're attracted by the seals
and there are a lot of seals.
532
00:30:23,490 --> 00:30:25,116
It's clear that the population
533
00:30:25,116 --> 00:30:29,662
has reached beyond what
it needs to be to be stable.
534
00:30:29,662 --> 00:30:31,498
But with the Marine Mammal
Protection Act,
535
00:30:31,498 --> 00:30:37,128
you can't delist gray seals
or any other marine mammals,
536
00:30:37,128 --> 00:30:38,922
if I'm not-- if I'm correct.
537
00:30:38,922 --> 00:30:40,965
That should be changed.
538
00:30:40,965 --> 00:30:43,176
So if they get beyond the point
539
00:30:43,176 --> 00:30:45,762
that they have to be
to be self-sufficient,
540
00:30:45,762 --> 00:30:48,890
it should be doable
to make changes.
541
00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:50,100
I mean, they haven't
gotten to a point
542
00:30:50,100 --> 00:30:52,352
where they're beyond
the point of becoming--
543
00:30:52,352 --> 00:30:55,271
of "self-sufficient," is
I think what you just said.
544
00:30:55,271 --> 00:30:58,983
- I did.
- It's not beyond that point
from a ecological point of view.
545
00:30:58,983 --> 00:31:01,319
Well, what is the right point?
546
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:03,905
Well, the goal of
the Marine Mammal Protection Act
547
00:31:03,905 --> 00:31:08,159
is to allow them to recover
to a certain range.
548
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:10,537
What is that figure?
It's not in the act.
549
00:31:10,537 --> 00:31:12,997
- No, it's not.
- You can't, you can't reach it,
550
00:31:12,997 --> 00:31:14,833
because it could go forever.
551
00:31:14,833 --> 00:31:16,876
Our population
is going like this,
552
00:31:16,876 --> 00:31:19,796
and we're not controlling ourselves,
553
00:31:19,796 --> 00:31:21,965
and you're controlling
the seals.
554
00:31:21,965 --> 00:31:23,967
I'm just
giving her a hard time.
555
00:31:23,967 --> 00:31:26,594
The seals are
recovering, they're doing well.
556
00:31:26,594 --> 00:31:29,347
Marine Mammal Protection Act
has been a success.
557
00:31:29,347 --> 00:31:31,850
But because we're
so populated now,
558
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:33,977
the number has come
in conflict
559
00:31:33,977 --> 00:31:36,730
with a lot of our uses
of the ocean,
560
00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:39,065
and that's what
we're trying to balance.
561
00:31:39,065 --> 00:31:42,068
Right. But, number one,
if you let nature be nature,
562
00:31:42,068 --> 00:31:43,570
they wouldn't be protected.
563
00:31:43,570 --> 00:31:47,782
Point two, why would
the seals have it over people?
564
00:31:47,782 --> 00:31:50,702
To me, that's a big argument.
565
00:31:50,702 --> 00:31:55,206
It strikes at how
you feel about your relationship
with wildlife
566
00:31:55,206 --> 00:31:56,666
- and if you feel like...
- Yeah. I agree.
567
00:31:56,666 --> 00:31:58,710
...you can dominate it
and control it,
568
00:31:58,710 --> 00:32:02,714
or if you can co-exist with it
as a, as a part of it.
569
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,611
The Endangered Species Act
is a huge success.
570
00:32:24,611 --> 00:32:27,405
- It's inarguably, inarguably
a huge success.
Yes.
571
00:32:27,405 --> 00:32:29,491
We just wanna pick up
a piece of that
572
00:32:29,491 --> 00:32:31,618
- that's a critical omission
in this legislation.
- Ron Beaty: Right.
573
00:32:31,618 --> 00:32:34,871
It's, it's simple.
It's a delisting provision.
574
00:32:34,871 --> 00:32:37,707
When a species has
demonstrably recovered,
575
00:32:37,707 --> 00:32:39,167
take 'em off
the protection list.
576
00:32:39,167 --> 00:32:40,126
- Right.
- That's it.
577
00:32:40,126 --> 00:32:41,252
That's what we're going for.
578
00:32:41,419 --> 00:32:43,963
- Right.
According
to Crocker Snow,
579
00:32:43,963 --> 00:32:46,925
on his island, Muskeget,
there's-- what did he say,
580
00:32:46,925 --> 00:32:48,593
about 12 to 15,000?
581
00:32:48,593 --> 00:32:53,390
And then on Monomoy,
there's 20 to 25,000.
582
00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:55,183
So you put those numbers together.
583
00:32:55,183 --> 00:32:58,561
When we talk to people,
we need to actually stress
584
00:32:58,561 --> 00:33:01,314
that the marine balance
equation also means
585
00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:03,692
that humans are part
of the equation.
586
00:33:03,692 --> 00:33:08,029
The other side, our opposition,
basically is telling the media
587
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:10,198
that humans are the problem,
588
00:33:10,198 --> 00:33:12,909
that we shouldn't even be part
of the ecosystem.
589
00:33:12,909 --> 00:33:14,536
Which is ridiculous,
it's just stupid.
590
00:33:14,536 --> 00:33:17,330
Group Member:
Well, people said to me,
"Oh, you wanna kill the seals,"
591
00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:20,125
and I'm like, "No. No. I don't
wanna kill the seals.
592
00:33:20,125 --> 00:33:21,626
"I want a balanced ecosystem,
593
00:33:21,626 --> 00:33:24,754
in which people are considered
to be part of the ecosystem."
594
00:33:24,754 --> 00:33:26,798
- That's it.
It's not that complicated.
- Yeah. And, and--
595
00:33:26,798 --> 00:33:28,550
I wanna reiterate...
596
00:33:30,301 --> 00:33:32,262
- Never ever.
- Group Member: Yeah.
597
00:33:32,262 --> 00:33:33,888
Now, Ron, are you aware
598
00:33:33,888 --> 00:33:35,724
that the Atlantic
White Shark Conservancy
599
00:33:35,724 --> 00:33:36,975
has a booth every Saturday
600
00:33:36,975 --> 00:33:38,935
at Newcomb Hollow Beach
in Wellfleet?
601
00:33:38,935 --> 00:33:40,854
I knew they did at some beaches.
I didn't know--
602
00:33:40,854 --> 00:33:43,440
Well, this is
an actual propaganda booth...
603
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,316
Yeah.
...where it's
in a parking lot.
604
00:33:45,316 --> 00:33:47,318
They've got
three or four interns.
605
00:33:47,318 --> 00:33:49,446
And as beachgoers go by,
606
00:33:49,446 --> 00:33:53,616
they're right there pushing
their leaflets and propaganda.
607
00:33:53,616 --> 00:33:54,576
AWSC Intern:
How are you?
608
00:33:56,494 --> 00:33:58,830
We're with the Atlantic
White Shark Conservancy.
609
00:33:58,830 --> 00:34:02,000
We got some shark smart tips
here, so if you go in the water,
610
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,418
this is all
of our detection data.
611
00:34:03,418 --> 00:34:06,671
So that's where we know
they have been detected.
612
00:34:06,671 --> 00:34:08,006
How many off of Cape Cod?
613
00:34:08,006 --> 00:34:11,217
Uh, there-- At any given time,
we don't really know, you know?
614
00:34:11,217 --> 00:34:14,220
They, they like it-- we know
they like it here in the summer
615
00:34:14,220 --> 00:34:15,722
and up until about October,
616
00:34:15,722 --> 00:34:19,309
but the exact number that's here
is kind of hard to tell, yeah.
617
00:34:19,309 --> 00:34:24,189
But there is not a lot that are
on this beach, right, because
of the sandbars and stuff?
618
00:34:24,189 --> 00:34:26,191
So you can see
we're right about here.
619
00:34:26,191 --> 00:34:29,235
This is like a highway
for shark activity.
620
00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:31,279
So there's... at any given time,
a potential for--
621
00:34:31,279 --> 00:34:33,198
- Yeah, they're going. Yeah.
- Oh, yeah, for sure.
622
00:34:33,198 --> 00:34:35,200
So cool.
623
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,243
- I saw a shark yesterday.
Yeah.
624
00:34:37,243 --> 00:34:39,204
Oh, really?
That's super cool.
- Yeah.
625
00:34:39,204 --> 00:34:41,289
- With a fin up in the water.
Oh, yeah.
626
00:34:41,289 --> 00:34:43,416
Couldn't believe it.
- I don't know what kind it was.
627
00:34:43,416 --> 00:34:44,876
Yeah. Probably
a great white.
628
00:34:44,876 --> 00:34:47,045
- They're usually inshore. Yeah.
Yeah, that's--
629
00:34:47,045 --> 00:34:49,130
- Whoa!
We'll be here
until 12:00,
630
00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:50,715
so when you guys are back
from your surf--
631
00:34:50,715 --> 00:34:53,718
- Are, are those teeth?
Yeah, those
are real shark teeth.
632
00:34:53,718 --> 00:34:58,264
This is a 3D print of how big
a white shark tooth can get.
633
00:35:56,364 --> 00:35:59,951
I think it's bait fish
'cause there's more behind it.
634
00:35:59,951 --> 00:36:03,079
- Oh, yeah.
- Like there are a couple more
of those blobs,
635
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:04,873
but I see
what you're looking at.
636
00:36:05,665 --> 00:36:08,710
Really has
a shape though, you know?
637
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:10,211
- Oh.
Bait fish.
638
00:36:10,211 --> 00:36:12,547
Did you see that?
639
00:36:12,547 --> 00:36:15,425
Lifeguard 2: No. What?
What are we looking at?
640
00:36:15,425 --> 00:36:17,135
What did you see?
641
00:36:17,135 --> 00:36:18,762
A fin come out of the water.
642
00:36:18,762 --> 00:36:20,096
A little triangle fin.
643
00:36:20,096 --> 00:36:21,556
Not a mola?
644
00:36:21,556 --> 00:36:24,142
Like a shark dorsal fin.
645
00:36:24,142 --> 00:36:26,102
Barely broke the surface.
646
00:36:26,895 --> 00:36:28,938
How far out?
Right there!
647
00:36:28,938 --> 00:36:30,231
It's that thing right there.
648
00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:33,735
I see the blob.
It's the blob.
649
00:36:33,735 --> 00:36:36,196
Well, do you wanna
just call it to be safe?
650
00:36:37,697 --> 00:36:39,657
It's right in there.
Oh, that's close.
651
00:36:39,657 --> 00:36:42,911
Look at that--
like it's got definition.
652
00:36:42,911 --> 00:36:44,037
Where's the flag?
653
00:36:44,037 --> 00:36:45,330
I'm blowing.
All right.
654
00:36:56,007 --> 00:36:59,636
You can see it
clearly when one of the waves--
I trust you, Mike.
655
00:37:01,930 --> 00:37:04,808
It was just like a smudge
and it was headed that way.
656
00:37:04,808 --> 00:37:07,686
Oh, headed that way?
- It was headed that way, yeah.
657
00:37:07,686 --> 00:37:11,106
But just to be safe, we keep you
out of the water for an hour.
658
00:37:11,106 --> 00:37:12,857
Thank you.
659
00:37:16,861 --> 00:37:19,864
How many cellphones you suppose
are pointed at us right now?
660
00:37:19,864 --> 00:37:23,201
Person
There's two others about, uh,
661
00:37:23,201 --> 00:37:25,829
200 feet away, if that.
662
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:28,039
We're right
in the damn swimming area.
663
00:37:35,213 --> 00:37:36,881
Any questions? Any...
664
00:37:39,134 --> 00:37:41,052
It's weird, though,
It was just so close.
665
00:37:41,052 --> 00:37:43,138
Oh, yeah,
they get really close.
666
00:37:43,138 --> 00:37:44,514
Yeah. And then,
667
00:37:44,514 --> 00:37:46,224
and then, we all just went
swimming half an hour later.
668
00:37:46,224 --> 00:37:47,600
- It's so weird.
Yeah, it is.
669
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,185
It's just something
we live with now.
670
00:37:49,185 --> 00:37:50,395
I know.
671
00:38:06,077 --> 00:38:08,079
I had a dream that
there were people
672
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:09,831
swimming on the sandbar there,
673
00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:15,462
and I saw a fin and I had
my whistle and it didn't work,
674
00:38:15,462 --> 00:38:17,505
so I couldn't get
people out of the water.
675
00:38:17,505 --> 00:38:21,843
And then the shark
caught a wave onto the shore
676
00:38:21,843 --> 00:38:24,512
and bit everybody's feet.
677
00:38:24,512 --> 00:38:26,514
And then I had
a mass casualty incident,
678
00:38:26,514 --> 00:38:28,308
and I was
the only lifeguard there,
679
00:38:28,308 --> 00:38:29,809
and I didn't have a phone.
680
00:38:29,809 --> 00:38:34,230
And then, um, one
of the fire department guys
681
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:35,774
showed up
with one roll of gauze,
682
00:38:35,774 --> 00:38:38,026
and that's all we had
to manage it.
683
00:38:41,237 --> 00:38:45,700
It's on our minds a lot and
I'm even dreaming about them,
684
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,036
so I guess that says something.
685
00:39:14,562 --> 00:39:17,315
Beau Gribbin: We had to harpoon
it today out of Scituate Harbor.
686
00:39:17,315 --> 00:39:18,942
Harpoon this fish.
687
00:39:18,942 --> 00:39:21,486
And when they were getting ready
to pull the fish aboard,
688
00:39:21,486 --> 00:39:23,655
they had a great white shark
attack it.
689
00:39:23,655 --> 00:39:26,199
And you can see it took
a pretty good-sized bite
out of it.
690
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:27,450
You got a-- You got a moon.
691
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:28,743
Seems like a lot of this
happens around the moon.
692
00:39:28,743 --> 00:39:31,955
This would be in the money
of the fish.
693
00:39:31,955 --> 00:39:34,499
This would be
the fattest point of the loin
694
00:39:34,499 --> 00:39:36,626
with the highest yield
in the shoulders of the fish.
695
00:39:36,626 --> 00:39:41,172
And just from the bite radius
of that, that's a big shark.
696
00:39:41,172 --> 00:39:42,674
If you saw what we just saw,
697
00:39:42,674 --> 00:39:44,718
you'd never go back
in the water.
698
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:26,217
Stormy Mayo: So yesterday,
I-I got a, a scrape on my arm,
699
00:40:26,217 --> 00:40:28,219
and I jumped in the water,
700
00:40:28,219 --> 00:40:30,430
and it opened up.
701
00:40:30,430 --> 00:40:32,557
And I was bleeding a little bit.
702
00:40:32,557 --> 00:40:34,225
And I immediately thought,
703
00:40:34,225 --> 00:40:38,188
it's a sign of being, being
a good marine biologist,
704
00:40:38,188 --> 00:40:40,815
I thought, "Man,
I wonder how far this--
705
00:40:40,815 --> 00:40:43,735
"the, the smell
of this blood is going?
706
00:40:43,735 --> 00:40:48,239
"I bet you it's going, you know,
at-at the molecular levels
707
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,700
"that these animals
can sense it,
708
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,953
"it's probably already gone
all the way to Wellfleet
709
00:40:53,953 --> 00:40:56,581
and they're all rushing
in my direction."
710
00:40:56,581 --> 00:40:58,958
So I got out of the water.
711
00:40:58,958 --> 00:41:03,797
You know, in shallow water in
Provincetown, worried about--
712
00:41:05,215 --> 00:41:10,428
It's a sign that terror spreads
through academia as well,
713
00:41:10,428 --> 00:41:13,098
as well as through
the general public.
714
00:41:19,437 --> 00:41:20,814
This is an interesting place,
715
00:41:20,814 --> 00:41:24,526
because Cape Cod is very rich
in terms of fish life,
716
00:41:24,526 --> 00:41:27,237
like sharks and, increasingly,
of course,
717
00:41:27,237 --> 00:41:32,075
in marine mammals, particularly
seals and whales.
718
00:41:37,956 --> 00:41:40,125
These sharks are great animals.
719
00:41:40,125 --> 00:41:44,337
Anything that's living
at the apex of the food web
720
00:41:44,337 --> 00:41:46,006
is a pretty special creature.
721
00:41:47,132 --> 00:41:49,509
And we're still learning
so much about them
722
00:41:49,509 --> 00:41:51,970
that we never used to.
723
00:41:51,970 --> 00:41:55,432
What has been found out
with all the different
tagging things,
724
00:41:55,432 --> 00:41:58,685
those long-distance,
distance tags,
725
00:41:58,685 --> 00:42:02,063
they weren't what I learned
in, in graduate school.
726
00:42:02,063 --> 00:42:06,151
These are-- these animals range
over huge distances.
727
00:42:08,111 --> 00:42:09,320
It's exciting.
728
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,198
But we're in a time
of huge change.
729
00:42:12,198 --> 00:42:15,160
With the radical change
in the number of seals
730
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,327
and white sharks,
731
00:42:16,327 --> 00:42:19,664
there is no doubt that
this system is in a state
732
00:42:19,664 --> 00:42:21,833
of remarkable flux.
733
00:42:23,168 --> 00:42:28,006
And it's understandable
that people are concerned.
734
00:42:34,304 --> 00:42:36,181
Next on our agenda
is public comment.
735
00:42:36,181 --> 00:42:39,100
Anyone who wishes to address
the, uh, the board can.
736
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,186
I, I know the names
of two of the people
737
00:42:41,186 --> 00:42:43,063
- from Well--
the Wellfleet Group.
- Okay.
738
00:42:43,063 --> 00:42:45,899
John Kartsounis and, uh,
Drew Taylor and your group.
739
00:42:45,899 --> 00:42:48,068
Uh, you--
You're still here, right?
740
00:42:48,068 --> 00:42:51,196
Uh, my name's John Kartsounis,
Wellfleet resident.
741
00:42:51,196 --> 00:42:56,743
Uh, been, uh, occasionally
on the Cape for 35 years,
742
00:42:56,743 --> 00:42:59,954
and I've been a resident
of Wellfleet now
for seven years.
743
00:42:59,954 --> 00:43:04,125
Now, uh, the reason, uh, why
we're here is to...
744
00:43:04,125 --> 00:43:08,046
present the
public's perception
745
00:43:08,046 --> 00:43:10,840
of what's going on
at our hometown.
746
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,968
Uh, I've been recreating
in the waters off Wellfleet
747
00:43:13,968 --> 00:43:16,680
since 1983.
748
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:17,972
I'm not a scientist,
749
00:43:17,972 --> 00:43:20,600
but I think I know a lot
about what's been happening
750
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,060
in our town's beaches.
751
00:43:22,060 --> 00:43:25,105
Uh, we've gone from seeing
zero seals,
752
00:43:25,105 --> 00:43:29,776
to now we see an abundance
and an overpopulation of seals.
753
00:43:30,276 --> 00:43:34,906
The question here is, we have
a law that's almost 50 years old
754
00:43:34,906 --> 00:43:38,243
and we have
special interest groups
that are telling us
755
00:43:38,243 --> 00:43:41,871
that it is written in stone
and it cannot be changed,
756
00:43:41,871 --> 00:43:43,748
but I think
we have to start somewhere.
757
00:43:43,748 --> 00:43:46,292
I'm not, I'm not a scientist
but I am a politician.
758
00:43:46,292 --> 00:43:49,504
And I have my ear to the ground
and what I'm saying is that,
759
00:43:49,504 --> 00:43:51,840
as we look for solutions,
760
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,509
exemptions from
the Marine Mammal Protection Act
761
00:43:54,509 --> 00:43:57,637
is a very, very heavy climb.
Very heavy.
762
00:43:57,637 --> 00:44:00,932
It can, it can-- it,
it involves the entire country.
763
00:44:00,932 --> 00:44:02,934
And not only local NGO groups
764
00:44:02,934 --> 00:44:04,602
but you have national
NGO groups.
765
00:44:04,602 --> 00:44:07,188
So, whether or not I think
it's a good idea or not
766
00:44:07,188 --> 00:44:08,231
is really irrelevant.
767
00:44:08,231 --> 00:44:10,275
I'm looking for something
about this summer
768
00:44:10,275 --> 00:44:11,359
and next summer.
769
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:14,654
My personal opinion is that
that is not realistic,
770
00:44:14,654 --> 00:44:16,197
at least in the short term.
771
00:44:16,197 --> 00:44:17,991
- That's, you know--
Well,
you know what's heavy?
772
00:44:17,991 --> 00:44:20,785
What's really
a heavy load to bear
773
00:44:20,785 --> 00:44:23,496
is "out of business" signs,
foreclosure signs,
774
00:44:23,496 --> 00:44:26,958
and basically a depression.
775
00:44:31,963 --> 00:44:35,133
Unless our
public officials start to think
776
00:44:35,133 --> 00:44:38,762
in terms of public health
and safety, and that people
777
00:44:38,762 --> 00:44:41,264
do have a right to be
at the beaches and to swim
778
00:44:41,264 --> 00:44:42,891
and to recreate on Cape Cod,
779
00:44:42,891 --> 00:44:45,518
as they have done
for a hundred years,
780
00:44:45,518 --> 00:44:48,605
uh, without
having to fear being killed.
781
00:44:48,605 --> 00:44:51,191
To me,
it all goes back to
the health of the ecosystem.
782
00:44:51,191 --> 00:44:53,943
Somewhere between the mid '80s
and mid '90s,
783
00:44:53,943 --> 00:44:58,239
whatever number it was then,
our ecosystem was flourishing.
784
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,993
There were seals, you could
surf-cast off the beach
785
00:45:01,993 --> 00:45:05,121
and catch fish: stripers,
blues, flounder, whatever.
786
00:45:05,121 --> 00:45:08,667
And then since then, you know,
the explosion of the seals
787
00:45:08,667 --> 00:45:10,877
just kind of led us
to where we're at today.
788
00:45:10,877 --> 00:45:12,087
I don't blame the seals
and the sharks.
789
00:45:12,087 --> 00:45:14,464
- Right.
- It's just no
management planning
790
00:45:14,464 --> 00:45:17,342
and poorly written laws.
791
00:45:41,908 --> 00:45:43,702
Jeff Souza: I still tuna-fish
with my father.
792
00:45:43,702 --> 00:45:46,246
Him and I have fished together,
before I used to work for him.
793
00:45:46,246 --> 00:45:50,875
So now the tables are turned,
now he gets to work with me.
794
00:45:50,875 --> 00:45:53,003
I mean, it is neat being able
to come out here
795
00:45:53,003 --> 00:45:55,338
and do the same thing
with my father,
796
00:45:55,338 --> 00:45:56,923
being the fourth generation.
797
00:45:57,799 --> 00:46:03,763
But most fishermen know what's
going on and see the changes.
798
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:06,975
Up.
799
00:46:08,435 --> 00:46:10,270
Jeff Souza: Things that we
used to fish for here now
800
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:14,190
like codfish, or we used to
have good fluke fishing here,
801
00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:16,568
there's no more fluke
around here.
802
00:46:18,194 --> 00:46:20,822
Jeff Souza:
We blame the seals.
803
00:46:20,822 --> 00:46:23,908
The bait fish don't wanna
come in because of them.
804
00:46:23,908 --> 00:46:27,078
We see them come up with
striped bass, big striped bass.
805
00:46:27,078 --> 00:46:29,414
So, you know, they're probably
eating the smaller fish.
806
00:46:29,414 --> 00:46:30,915
All set.
807
00:46:34,127 --> 00:46:35,879
Billy Souza: For years,
I caught lobster
808
00:46:35,879 --> 00:46:38,882
and my wife sold them
out of our garage.
809
00:46:38,882 --> 00:46:40,091
In the springtime,
810
00:46:40,091 --> 00:46:42,052
all the fishermen
would come from New York
811
00:46:42,052 --> 00:46:44,679
and they come up here
for a week and go fishing.
812
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:46,264
And then when they went home,
813
00:46:46,264 --> 00:46:49,267
they would come by my house
and load up with lobsters.
814
00:46:49,267 --> 00:46:51,811
Well, then all the seals
start showing up.
815
00:46:51,811 --> 00:46:53,563
They can't catch a fish
from the beach.
816
00:46:54,064 --> 00:46:58,651
The whole springtime fisheries
died, our business died.
817
00:46:58,651 --> 00:47:01,780
The motels lost
the whole springtime.
818
00:47:01,780 --> 00:47:03,656
- The bait and
tackle shops went under.
- Yeah.
819
00:47:03,656 --> 00:47:05,283
Everything, everything
just collapsed
820
00:47:05,283 --> 00:47:07,327
because--
'cause the seals came in.
821
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:11,331
And because of the
Marine Mammal Protection Act,
822
00:47:11,331 --> 00:47:13,958
you can't touch 'em,
you can't look at 'em,
823
00:47:13,958 --> 00:47:16,461
you can't even yell at 'em
as you go past 'em.
824
00:47:23,218 --> 00:47:26,554
Jeff Souza: To me, it's like
the ecosystem is out of line.
825
00:47:26,554 --> 00:47:30,141
Don't get me wrong,
I like seeing whales, seals,
826
00:47:30,141 --> 00:47:31,851
stuff like that, to a degree,
827
00:47:31,851 --> 00:47:35,814
but when it's too much,
it's too much.
828
00:47:35,814 --> 00:47:38,566
It's just been getting
worse and worse.
829
00:47:38,566 --> 00:47:39,943
For the rest of my life,
830
00:47:39,943 --> 00:47:41,861
we will still
have this problem.
831
00:48:12,642 --> 00:48:15,645
Emcee
P-Town, if you are feeling
drop-dead gorgeous,
832
00:48:15,645 --> 00:48:17,105
can I get a "Yes, God"?
833
00:48:17,105 --> 00:48:19,357
Yes, God!
834
00:48:19,357 --> 00:48:21,443
Now, I did just find out
835
00:48:21,443 --> 00:48:24,112
that it's Shark Week
up in here.
836
00:48:24,112 --> 00:48:26,906
I hear y'all got some
man-eaters in the house...
837
00:48:27,949 --> 00:48:33,038
♪ I'm trying to live my life ♪
838
00:48:33,038 --> 00:48:35,540
♪ So don't be
the swimmer that I ♪
839
00:48:35,540 --> 00:48:38,209
♪ Am looking to bite ♪
840
00:48:38,209 --> 00:48:41,838
- Oh, my God. Oh!
841
00:48:41,838 --> 00:48:44,924
No! Oh!
842
00:48:47,427 --> 00:48:51,222
♪ Now don't go
hatin' the sharks ♪
843
00:48:51,222 --> 00:48:55,101
♪ I couldn't if I tried ♪
844
00:48:55,101 --> 00:48:58,313
♪ Their cartilage
helps cure cancer ♪
845
00:48:58,313 --> 00:49:00,899
♪ But if they bite you
you die ♪
846
00:49:17,624 --> 00:49:21,294
Franchitto
♪ I've been to the desert
on a horse with no name ♪
847
00:49:21,294 --> 00:49:26,091
♪ It felt good
to be out of the rain ♪
848
00:49:26,091 --> 00:49:28,927
The other night,
I was surfing there,
849
00:49:28,927 --> 00:49:31,763
and a big wave,
they were all small,
850
00:49:31,763 --> 00:49:33,431
except for one big wave.
851
00:49:33,431 --> 00:49:35,767
And so I paddled out to see
if I can get another one.
852
00:49:35,767 --> 00:49:38,603
I went off the--
I went off the bar.
853
00:49:38,603 --> 00:49:42,649
And I think I saw a shark.
I'm almost positive it was now.
854
00:49:42,649 --> 00:49:44,067
The way it swam,
855
00:49:44,067 --> 00:49:47,153
all I saw was the very tip
of what I believe was the fin.
856
00:49:47,153 --> 00:49:49,114
Maybe it was the nose.
I don't know.
857
00:49:49,114 --> 00:49:51,825
It was brown like a seal,
but Mark told me,
858
00:49:51,825 --> 00:49:54,619
Mark Johnson says,
"Sharks are brown."
859
00:49:59,874 --> 00:50:03,795
It's never quite been the same
since the fatal attack.
860
00:50:03,795 --> 00:50:05,046
Hey!
861
00:50:05,046 --> 00:50:07,882
It did cause a rift
in the community.
862
00:50:07,882 --> 00:50:09,300
Some of these people,
not all of them,
863
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:11,177
but some of these people
are acting like
864
00:50:11,177 --> 00:50:13,054
the ocean's their
little playground,
865
00:50:13,054 --> 00:50:14,848
their swimming pool.
866
00:50:14,848 --> 00:50:16,349
And they have no right to have--
867
00:50:16,349 --> 00:50:18,810
and, you know, sharks
have no right to be in there
868
00:50:18,810 --> 00:50:21,062
or something, or seals.
869
00:50:21,062 --> 00:50:23,148
Nah, it doesn't work that way.
870
00:50:41,291 --> 00:50:43,376
And at first,
I was very afraid.
871
00:50:44,961 --> 00:50:48,381
But then I got, kind of,
accustomed to being out there.
872
00:50:51,301 --> 00:50:54,846
I'm very careful.
I don't go out too deep.
873
00:50:55,680 --> 00:51:00,852
Surfers put stripes on
the bottom of their boards now.
874
00:51:00,852 --> 00:51:05,648
I guess it confuses
the sharks' sensory apparatus.
875
00:51:05,648 --> 00:51:08,443
It seems to be effective.
876
00:51:10,612 --> 00:51:15,492
We've got technology
out here now, buoys out there.
877
00:51:18,578 --> 00:51:20,455
If untagged sharks
go out there,
878
00:51:20,455 --> 00:51:22,207
we don't know they're there.
879
00:51:22,207 --> 00:51:24,668
But that's the way it is.
880
00:51:28,421 --> 00:51:30,423
If you're
in the water frequently,
881
00:51:30,423 --> 00:51:33,885
chances are
lots of animals have seen you
882
00:51:33,885 --> 00:51:36,179
that you didn't know
were there.
883
00:52:06,126 --> 00:52:07,919
I see it right on the bottom.
884
00:52:07,919 --> 00:52:09,754
How big is this fish?
885
00:52:10,755 --> 00:52:12,048
Got some girth.
886
00:52:12,048 --> 00:52:13,967
She may be a transient, though.
887
00:52:13,967 --> 00:52:16,094
That's a big old
Gulf of Maine shark.
888
00:52:16,094 --> 00:52:19,305
- She's going to--
- It's a big old
"anywhere she wants to" shark.
889
00:52:19,305 --> 00:52:21,391
Yeah. Okay.
890
00:52:23,435 --> 00:52:25,603
Do we--
are we giving up on this one?
891
00:52:25,603 --> 00:52:29,441
It's just going
in circles down on the bottom.
- I gave up on it.
892
00:52:29,983 --> 00:52:32,652
That looks like
it's gonna work.
893
00:52:32,652 --> 00:52:35,947
I-I'm not so much interested
what these animals do
every week.
894
00:52:36,906 --> 00:52:38,074
Not even every day.
895
00:52:38,074 --> 00:52:40,952
I wanna know what they're doing
every minute, every second.
896
00:52:40,952 --> 00:52:42,412
And this is the tool to do that.
897
00:52:42,412 --> 00:52:45,373
I can look if this shark's
accelerating toward a seal,
898
00:52:45,373 --> 00:52:47,417
and I'll see if it is
because there's a camera.
899
00:52:47,417 --> 00:52:50,503
So we can start to look at
its behavior in shallow water
900
00:52:50,503 --> 00:52:53,673
as it relates
to its natural prey, the seals,
901
00:52:53,673 --> 00:52:55,759
'cause we really, you know,
believe that
902
00:52:55,759 --> 00:52:58,303
the better we understand
that predator-prey relationship
903
00:52:58,303 --> 00:53:00,096
between sharks and seals,
904
00:53:00,096 --> 00:53:03,725
when, where, and how
these sharks are attacking
and killing seals,
905
00:53:03,725 --> 00:53:06,936
the better equipped we're gonna
be to advise beach managers
906
00:53:06,936 --> 00:53:10,565
and the general public as to
how to modify their behavior.
907
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,651
This one's out pretty good,
908
00:53:13,651 --> 00:53:15,528
so go ahead and get,
and get in position.
909
00:53:15,528 --> 00:53:17,155
What's our depth here?
910
00:53:17,155 --> 00:53:18,281
Seven feet, he's up.
911
00:53:18,281 --> 00:53:20,992
Look at you doing a circle.
912
00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:25,246
Maybe he'll come to me.
Come on, baby!
913
00:53:26,581 --> 00:53:29,167
It's definitely
curious about us.
914
00:53:29,167 --> 00:53:31,127
Like,
"What are you guys doing?"
915
00:53:31,127 --> 00:53:33,463
I wish he would go downwind.
916
00:53:37,509 --> 00:53:39,594
It's, it's got a lot of speed.
917
00:53:39,594 --> 00:53:42,597
I really like this one.
I do, too.
918
00:53:42,597 --> 00:53:45,600
It's got some really
interesting evasive maneuvers.
919
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,770
Maybe we can try
the right side, I don't know.
920
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:52,691
Come up a little bit,
turn in, go down sea.
921
00:53:52,691 --> 00:53:54,067
Go down.
922
00:53:54,067 --> 00:53:55,777
Oh, yeah.
923
00:53:57,195 --> 00:53:59,698
- Go for it!
Do it?
924
00:53:59,698 --> 00:54:03,660
We got it!
Oh, mother-fa-la-la-la.
925
00:54:03,660 --> 00:54:06,121
Beautiful!
You got him, man.
926
00:54:20,593 --> 00:54:22,679
Isn't that amazing?
927
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,765
And she's right back in
working this area...
928
00:54:27,225 --> 00:54:29,060
right off the seals.
929
00:54:46,244 --> 00:54:47,495
After every trip,
930
00:54:47,495 --> 00:54:49,581
I wanna go through and see,
like, who got a tag?
931
00:54:49,581 --> 00:54:52,459
Was it-- is it a shark that
we've identified in the past?
932
00:54:52,459 --> 00:54:55,545
Is it a shark that's, that's new
that we've never seen before?
933
00:54:55,545 --> 00:54:59,382
So I always kind of
scan through and look.
934
00:55:01,718 --> 00:55:03,762
This is a beautiful
profile shot.
935
00:55:03,762 --> 00:55:05,847
So in this one, you can
really appreciate she's got
936
00:55:05,847 --> 00:55:09,434
kind of like a rounded tip
there, no big notches,
937
00:55:09,434 --> 00:55:11,978
but she's got a couple
little more distinct notches.
938
00:55:11,978 --> 00:55:14,981
And there's different
dorsal kind of shapes.
939
00:55:14,981 --> 00:55:18,610
Some of them have like
a hooked edge of the dorsal.
940
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:20,945
Um, ooh, this is a good one.
941
00:55:22,489 --> 00:55:24,532
When I'm first describing
this process to people,
942
00:55:24,532 --> 00:55:27,285
a lot of times,
they think I'm crazy
943
00:55:27,285 --> 00:55:28,495
when I tell them, like,
944
00:55:28,495 --> 00:55:30,747
"I can watch videos
and tell sharks apart."
945
00:55:30,747 --> 00:55:32,791
They're like,
"No, it's just a shark."
946
00:55:32,791 --> 00:55:36,336
But, um, they're really
remarkably different.
947
00:55:42,676 --> 00:55:45,428
When they've got great
coloration on their tail,
948
00:55:45,428 --> 00:55:47,681
it's probably
the most imaginative feature.
949
00:55:47,681 --> 00:55:49,974
It's kind of like looking
for shapes in the clouds.
950
00:55:49,974 --> 00:55:53,478
All those little things that
just kind of jog our memory,
951
00:55:53,478 --> 00:55:55,814
that's where a lot
of them get their nicknames.
952
00:56:04,948 --> 00:56:07,909
A lot of people think they're
kind of silly nicknames
953
00:56:07,909 --> 00:56:11,913
or that we're trying to make
these animals seem more human,
954
00:56:11,913 --> 00:56:15,291
but it really is just
a mental trick to help us
955
00:56:15,291 --> 00:56:18,003
keep these sharks straight.
956
00:56:25,844 --> 00:56:29,347
But to be able
to actually have an actual view
957
00:56:29,347 --> 00:56:30,807
of what the shark is doing
958
00:56:30,807 --> 00:56:33,435
is really a game-changer
in terms of understanding
959
00:56:33,435 --> 00:56:34,853
their movement, patterns,
960
00:56:34,853 --> 00:56:38,523
and to get a better feel
for the species.
961
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:45,030
I never, like, stop being
amazed by that fact
962
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:49,367
that we can go out and see
sharks we've seen, you know,
963
00:56:49,367 --> 00:56:52,537
20 times before
over the past five years.
964
00:56:54,706 --> 00:56:58,335
There's still so much to learn
about these animals.
965
00:56:58,335 --> 00:57:00,128
A lot of people kind of
take it for granted
966
00:57:00,128 --> 00:57:03,089
that this is the most famous
shark species there is,
967
00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:04,549
but for a long time,
968
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:06,676
the northwest Atlantic
white shark population
969
00:57:06,676 --> 00:57:09,387
was the most mysterious
white shark population
970
00:57:09,387 --> 00:57:10,805
on the face of the planet.
971
00:57:21,608 --> 00:57:24,444
Part of the, the,
the importance of nature
972
00:57:24,444 --> 00:57:26,738
and the life of a culture is
973
00:57:26,738 --> 00:57:29,074
that it intersects the life
of the imagination.
974
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,620
It expands the territory
975
00:57:33,620 --> 00:57:36,998
for what human thought
can encompass.
976
00:57:36,998 --> 00:57:38,124
If I stand on the,
977
00:57:38,124 --> 00:57:39,834
on the shore at Longnook,
978
00:57:39,834 --> 00:57:41,670
and I say,
"There are sharks out there,
979
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:44,005
there are white sharks
out there,"
980
00:57:44,005 --> 00:57:48,134
I have expanded the range and
the reach of my imagination.
981
00:57:48,134 --> 00:57:53,431
I am sharing that environment
with a great creature,
982
00:57:53,431 --> 00:57:55,475
one of nature's creations.
983
00:58:00,814 --> 00:58:02,982
They are a force that throws us
984
00:58:02,982 --> 00:58:07,570
up against very mysterious
aspects of life.
985
00:58:07,570 --> 00:58:11,116
Life, death, power, violence.
986
00:58:11,658 --> 00:58:16,746
The truly unsympathetic
quality of life.
987
00:58:20,667 --> 00:58:22,919
We like to think that
our lives are orderly
988
00:58:22,919 --> 00:58:25,463
and can be easily maintained,
989
00:58:25,463 --> 00:58:27,966
but sharks are
one of the places where
990
00:58:27,966 --> 00:58:31,803
we don't find cooperation
from the natural world,
991
00:58:31,803 --> 00:58:36,057
um, in terms of our sense
of ownership and use.
992
00:59:17,557 --> 00:59:19,934
Oh, it's so cute!
993
01:00:11,945 --> 01:00:14,906
- Yeah.
994
01:00:14,906 --> 01:00:16,658
Person
Have you seen anything?
995
01:00:17,575 --> 01:00:18,785
Doug Feeney:
Nothing yet.
996
01:00:18,785 --> 01:00:21,037
Not moving, though.
997
01:00:21,037 --> 01:00:23,581
Person
No, no drift whatsoever.
998
01:00:23,581 --> 01:00:25,333
I, uh, I haven't seen
shit out here.
999
01:00:25,333 --> 01:00:28,503
The only thing I got
out here was some bait.
1000
01:00:28,503 --> 01:00:31,047
Yeah, right on.
I'll let you know.
1001
01:00:34,384 --> 01:00:37,637
This collapse that we've
had with the fish,
1002
01:00:37,637 --> 01:00:39,264
it's not the seals.
1003
01:00:41,433 --> 01:00:43,601
I think they're just
a scapegoat.
1004
01:00:43,601 --> 01:00:46,271
They privatized fishing,
1005
01:00:46,271 --> 01:00:49,107
and it became a huge success
to some people,
1006
01:00:49,107 --> 01:00:52,444
to some organizations, and they
made tons of money off of it.
1007
01:00:52,444 --> 01:00:55,280
And then, that's the new norm.
1008
01:00:58,867 --> 01:01:01,286
Cod fish, haddock.
1009
01:01:01,286 --> 01:01:03,997
We've fished the shit out
of those fish.
1010
01:01:05,290 --> 01:01:09,419
Now we're stuck
with underutilized species.
1011
01:01:09,419 --> 01:01:13,089
Skate wings and dogfish.
1012
01:01:13,089 --> 01:01:16,051
For us to get a
basic day's wage
1013
01:01:16,051 --> 01:01:18,386
out of that
underutilized species,
1014
01:01:18,386 --> 01:01:20,347
we gotta catch the limit.
1015
01:01:21,056 --> 01:01:24,642
A limit is 6,000 pounds
of dogfish,
1016
01:01:24,642 --> 01:01:27,979
or 5,000 pounds of skate wing.
1017
01:01:29,189 --> 01:01:31,900
And this is such
a multibillion-dollar industry,
1018
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:35,987
it's never gonna change until
we wipe it all the fuck out.
1019
01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:48,500
Like, there's something else
going on down there.
1020
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:50,001
The water's warm.
1021
01:01:50,001 --> 01:01:52,754
I think this might be
the new norm.
1022
01:01:54,714 --> 01:01:56,800
We're warming up
pretty quick here.
1023
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,511
Things start moving
and they move to colder waters,
1024
01:01:59,511 --> 01:02:01,513
so everything's marching north.
1025
01:02:08,770 --> 01:02:12,816
- Hey, Dre, a smooth-hound.
No way. Really?
1026
01:02:12,816 --> 01:02:14,859
- He's alive.
- Wow! Cool!
1027
01:02:14,859 --> 01:02:17,404
They only catch these
down south,
1028
01:02:17,404 --> 01:02:19,030
but with global warming,
1029
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:21,282
they're startin' to
come up here.
1030
01:02:21,282 --> 01:02:24,452
All right, I gotta get him back
in the water so he lives.
1031
01:02:25,995 --> 01:02:29,040
There he is. All right.
1032
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,502
And we're gonna let him go swim.
There he goes.
1033
01:02:50,437 --> 01:02:52,731
David "Spider" Gibson:
I've been here a long time,
1034
01:02:52,731 --> 01:02:54,941
and I've never seen a bonito
in like that.
1035
01:02:54,941 --> 01:02:59,070
I've seen them come,
but not that small ones.
1036
01:02:59,738 --> 01:03:01,990
They're a warm-water fish,
you know,
1037
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:03,533
they're from down south.
1038
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,370
I've been on the pier
for 25 years right here
1039
01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:11,458
and I've never seen anybody
catch 'em like that. Never.
1040
01:03:11,458 --> 01:03:13,626
So that tells me something.
1041
01:03:21,009 --> 01:03:22,052
Human beings,
1042
01:03:22,052 --> 01:03:23,553
since the
Industrial Revolution,
1043
01:03:23,553 --> 01:03:24,888
have grown up amidst
1044
01:03:24,888 --> 01:03:27,098
extraordinary technological changes,
1045
01:03:27,098 --> 01:03:30,602
but not among extraordinary
natural changes,
1046
01:03:30,602 --> 01:03:35,023
and that's what's happening
to our generations.
1047
01:03:35,023 --> 01:03:36,733
And that's a totally
different thing
1048
01:03:36,733 --> 01:03:39,110
'cause we're not
in control of them.
1049
01:03:41,112 --> 01:03:43,531
Wendy Puryear: There's this
pretty significant shift
1050
01:03:43,531 --> 01:03:47,410
that is happening in species
on, on a global level.
1051
01:03:47,410 --> 01:03:48,328
You have animals
1052
01:03:48,328 --> 01:03:50,747
from the lower latitudes
that are coming up
1053
01:03:50,747 --> 01:03:52,665
because the waters
are getting warm
1054
01:03:52,665 --> 01:03:54,125
and food sources are moving up
1055
01:03:54,125 --> 01:03:58,129
so the predators
are following them.
1056
01:03:58,129 --> 01:04:01,424
And then, at the same time,
the polar ice caps are melting
1057
01:04:01,424 --> 01:04:04,344
so there are a lot of animals
from those higher latitudes
1058
01:04:04,344 --> 01:04:06,805
that are coming down
looking for prey,
1059
01:04:06,805 --> 01:04:09,140
they're looking
for suitable habitat.
1060
01:04:11,017 --> 01:04:13,812
Here we are right at that,
that middle crux
1061
01:04:13,812 --> 01:04:16,648
of everything
kind of all coming together.
1062
01:04:18,191 --> 01:04:20,568
Even if we want to be
completely selfish
1063
01:04:20,568 --> 01:04:23,655
and focused on our own personal
human well-being,
1064
01:04:23,655 --> 01:04:27,784
it's important
that we understand what's
happening in the ecosystem.
1065
01:04:32,205 --> 01:04:33,665
Since my graduate work,
1066
01:04:33,665 --> 01:04:37,961
I've been trying to understand
how viruses evolve,
1067
01:04:39,504 --> 01:04:44,551
looking at influenza,
primarily in wild birds.
1068
01:04:44,551 --> 01:04:47,345
Water fowl is where
you find a lot of influenza,
1069
01:04:47,345 --> 01:04:49,723
naturally circulating
in the wild.
1070
01:04:49,723 --> 01:04:53,476
We're talking about gulls,
and shorebirds, and ducks.
1071
01:04:53,476 --> 01:04:56,187
They share habitat
with marine mammals,
1072
01:04:56,187 --> 01:04:58,481
and particularly with seals.
1073
01:05:01,234 --> 01:05:03,069
We know that
you can get spillover,
1074
01:05:03,069 --> 01:05:06,656
a transmission that happens
from one species to another.
1075
01:05:07,574 --> 01:05:10,285
Perhaps people have heard
about so-called bird flu
1076
01:05:10,285 --> 01:05:11,494
and swine flu.
1077
01:05:13,705 --> 01:05:17,542
Even though we have not been
seeing signs of virus in seals,
1078
01:05:17,542 --> 01:05:20,795
we wonder, did that necessarily
mean there was no virus
1079
01:05:20,795 --> 01:05:23,882
or was it possible that virus
was circulating out there
1080
01:05:23,882 --> 01:05:25,550
without seeing disease?
1081
01:05:27,802 --> 01:05:29,554
So we went out
to Muskeget Island
1082
01:05:29,554 --> 01:05:33,350
to see whether or not
we could detect virus.
1083
01:05:48,073 --> 01:05:50,158
- Oh, nice.
1084
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:55,205
Person 1:
We're gonna roll, ready?
1085
01:05:55,205 --> 01:05:56,206
Person 2:
You wanna roll him this way?
1086
01:05:56,206 --> 01:05:57,791
Yeah.
1087
01:05:57,791 --> 01:05:59,584
Person 1:
Watch that back end, there.
1088
01:06:04,506 --> 01:06:06,633
Nice. Okay.
1089
01:06:20,522 --> 01:06:22,148
He's very feisty.
1090
01:06:27,779 --> 01:06:29,280
Good boy.
1091
01:06:31,574 --> 01:06:33,493
- Oh.
- Oh.
1092
01:06:38,123 --> 01:06:39,666
Person 1: Are you ready?
Everybody's out?
1093
01:06:39,666 --> 01:06:41,793
We're good.
- Person 2: Yeah, you're good.
Hop off.
1094
01:06:41,793 --> 01:06:45,046
- Nice job. Whoo!
1095
01:06:45,046 --> 01:06:48,299
Good job.
That was not an easy one.
1096
01:06:50,677 --> 01:06:52,679
So we went out and did
these health assessments.
1097
01:06:52,679 --> 01:06:54,472
We were thinking
that there could be virus,
1098
01:06:54,472 --> 01:06:56,057
that's why we went out
and looked,
1099
01:06:56,057 --> 01:06:59,019
but weren't really
expecting to find a whole lot.
1100
01:06:59,019 --> 01:07:01,479
We were actually
pretty surprised to find that
1101
01:07:01,479 --> 01:07:05,483
about 10% of them, we were able
to detect influenza virus.
1102
01:07:05,483 --> 01:07:08,153
And that's actually
a pretty high level,
1103
01:07:08,153 --> 01:07:10,655
even for wild bird reservoirs.
1104
01:07:11,781 --> 01:07:13,324
It's a very real concern,
1105
01:07:13,324 --> 01:07:14,659
because if you have a scenario
1106
01:07:14,659 --> 01:07:16,411
where a virus is circulating
in the animals,
1107
01:07:16,411 --> 01:07:18,872
otherwise they seem like
they're healthy and just fine,
1108
01:07:18,872 --> 01:07:23,335
that gives the virus
the opportunity to continue to
circulate in that population.
1109
01:07:26,629 --> 01:07:27,964
There, finally.
1110
01:07:27,964 --> 01:07:29,549
Ready? One, two, three.
1111
01:07:29,549 --> 01:07:30,675
Nice work.
1112
01:07:30,675 --> 01:07:32,385
Nice job.
1113
01:07:32,385 --> 01:07:34,929
Even if you're just
thinking about a virus
1114
01:07:34,929 --> 01:07:36,931
that's circulating
in a gray seal,
1115
01:07:36,931 --> 01:07:39,476
the gray seal doesn't live
in a bubble.
1116
01:07:42,228 --> 01:07:47,067
It's not easy for a virus to be
able to move from one species
to another,
1117
01:07:47,067 --> 01:07:48,943
but if you have an animal
1118
01:07:48,943 --> 01:07:51,237
like manatees coming up
from Florida,
1119
01:07:51,237 --> 01:07:54,866
maybe they have never
had exposure to influenza
1120
01:07:54,866 --> 01:07:56,201
ever as a species,
1121
01:07:56,201 --> 01:07:59,204
so if they come into contact
with gray seals
1122
01:07:59,204 --> 01:08:01,122
that are, are
shedding out influenza,
1123
01:08:01,122 --> 01:08:03,375
that introduces
a higher likelihood
1124
01:08:03,375 --> 01:08:06,544
of having that
cross-species interaction.
1125
01:08:06,544 --> 01:08:09,172
All of those different reassortments
1126
01:08:09,172 --> 01:08:11,049
that can happen
in wild animals,
1127
01:08:11,049 --> 01:08:13,718
the training ground on
another mammalian host,
1128
01:08:13,718 --> 01:08:15,970
and then the opportunity
for those new variants
1129
01:08:15,970 --> 01:08:17,263
to come into humans
1130
01:08:17,263 --> 01:08:20,517
that we don't have
a pre-existing immunity to,
1131
01:08:20,517 --> 01:08:23,645
is a sort of scenario that
leaves us incredibly susceptible
1132
01:08:23,645 --> 01:08:26,481
to that becoming
a pandemic situation.
1133
01:08:29,734 --> 01:08:31,861
It's easy to get caught up
1134
01:08:31,861 --> 01:08:36,741
in the kind of
"Jaws"-esque angle to things,
1135
01:08:36,741 --> 01:08:38,493
and take our eye off
the bigger picture
1136
01:08:38,493 --> 01:08:40,245
that really we should
be thinking about,
1137
01:08:40,245 --> 01:08:42,414
which is that the health
of one species
1138
01:08:42,414 --> 01:08:45,000
really does impact all of us.
1139
01:09:02,767 --> 01:09:05,353
The, uh, black flag is up.
1140
01:09:05,353 --> 01:09:07,605
Uh, apparently, they sighted
a shark at this beach.
1141
01:09:07,605 --> 01:09:09,941
So the water's clear
for an hour.
1142
01:09:09,941 --> 01:09:12,318
For an hour?
- Yeah.
1143
01:09:12,318 --> 01:09:14,112
- So...
Okay.
1144
01:09:14,112 --> 01:09:15,905
I just thought--
Yeah, I just found out myself.
1145
01:09:15,905 --> 01:09:17,615
Oh.
- Yeah.
1146
01:09:17,615 --> 01:09:20,118
They know how to
deal with that, I guess.
- Yeah. I guess.
1147
01:09:20,118 --> 01:09:21,494
You know,
just be careful. Yeah.
1148
01:09:21,494 --> 01:09:24,289
Thanks for telling us.
- Yep, you got it.
1149
01:09:44,225 --> 01:09:47,103
I think I'll just have
a small dish of twist,
1150
01:09:47,103 --> 01:09:48,271
chocolate vanilla twist.
1151
01:09:48,271 --> 01:09:51,941
Okay.
- That's all I'll have, yeah.
1152
01:09:51,941 --> 01:09:53,735
Hello.
1153
01:09:59,407 --> 01:10:01,493
I think we'd be
better off if we realize
1154
01:10:01,493 --> 01:10:05,205
that we're one strand
in the web of life...
1155
01:10:07,082 --> 01:10:08,625
instead of thinking
ourselves as
1156
01:10:08,625 --> 01:10:13,713
the dominant species
that can control everything.
1157
01:10:13,713 --> 01:10:19,552
Humankind must learn humility
in the face of nature.
1158
01:10:23,014 --> 01:10:24,307
If you go out in the water,
1159
01:10:24,307 --> 01:10:27,686
you gotta take that chance,
however slim it is.
1160
01:10:39,197 --> 01:10:40,448
Here you go.
1161
01:10:40,448 --> 01:10:43,368
This is-- this is the oldie
but goodie right here.
1162
01:10:43,368 --> 01:10:44,536
I used to be, like,
1163
01:10:44,536 --> 01:10:46,996
four feet tall
riding this thing,
1164
01:10:46,996 --> 01:10:48,540
getting pushed into the wave.
1165
01:10:55,296 --> 01:10:57,007
Do you think
you might go out today?
1166
01:10:57,507 --> 01:11:00,677
I would like to just because
of what the event is.
1167
01:11:01,177 --> 01:11:02,762
Been a big part
of my childhood, so...
1168
01:11:02,762 --> 01:11:06,766
But I haven't surfed on Cape
since the day it happened, so...
1169
01:11:06,766 --> 01:11:08,226
It's one of those things
1170
01:11:08,226 --> 01:11:10,228
where you have to
kind of weigh everything,
1171
01:11:10,228 --> 01:11:12,897
and, uh, I understand,
so just let me know.
1172
01:11:12,897 --> 01:11:15,400
I mean, you-you don't
have to paddle out.
1173
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,235
- You don't have to do anything.
- Right.
1174
01:11:17,235 --> 01:11:19,571
- You just sit there and watch.
- Yeah.
1175
01:11:22,407 --> 01:11:24,075
Announcer
You are all welcome
1176
01:11:24,075 --> 01:11:27,912
to the 373rd version
1177
01:11:27,912 --> 01:11:31,416
of the Oldtimers Classic.
1178
01:11:31,416 --> 01:11:36,212
It is time for us all
to ride the wild surf.
1179
01:11:36,212 --> 01:11:38,214
Social Security,
you're up next.
1180
01:11:38,214 --> 01:11:40,592
Social Security, 4:00,
up front.
1181
01:11:40,592 --> 01:11:42,135
Bring your board down.
1182
01:11:42,135 --> 01:11:44,637
The real Cape Cod
Oldtimers here.
1183
01:11:44,637 --> 01:11:46,264
- Whoo-hoo! Here we go!
1184
01:11:46,264 --> 01:11:48,725
Give 'em a hero's welcome.
1185
01:11:48,725 --> 01:11:50,310
John, oh, my God.
1186
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:51,936
Yeah, I thought this was
a single thing.
1187
01:11:51,936 --> 01:11:53,688
I know. Sweet, guys.
1188
01:11:53,688 --> 01:11:55,106
And off you go!
1189
01:11:55,106 --> 01:11:57,484
Ride the wild surf!
1190
01:11:57,484 --> 01:11:59,277
Surfer 1:
All right. Here we go.
1191
01:11:59,277 --> 01:12:02,197
- Surfer 2: Whoo!
- Surfer 1: Here we go!
1192
01:12:22,133 --> 01:12:26,012
- John's coming in.
- He's gonna get up in a little--
1193
01:12:26,012 --> 01:12:27,222
- Oh!
1194
01:12:27,222 --> 01:12:28,973
He gave up...
1195
01:12:40,985 --> 01:12:44,614
Clementin, come on down!
Clementin, please come over!
1196
01:12:44,614 --> 01:12:47,158
Grab your board.
Come on. I see you hiding.
1197
01:12:47,158 --> 01:12:49,494
I see you hiding.
1198
01:12:49,494 --> 01:12:52,163
Katie!
- Katie!
1199
01:12:52,163 --> 01:12:54,165
Katie!
1200
01:12:55,792 --> 01:12:56,960
And Alexandra!
1201
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,587
Okay, let's hear it
1202
01:12:59,587 --> 01:13:02,215
for the women surfers
of Cape Cod!
1203
01:13:16,938 --> 01:13:17,856
Dana, what'd you do?
1204
01:13:17,856 --> 01:13:19,566
I heard you had
the first wave of the heat.
1205
01:13:19,566 --> 01:13:21,526
That's why I took it.
- You did.
1206
01:13:21,526 --> 01:13:22,861
Yes.
- I did? Okay.
1207
01:13:22,861 --> 01:13:24,696
It's the longest wave
I've ever seen you ride.
1208
01:13:24,696 --> 01:13:26,197
Yeah.
You were rocking out there.
1209
01:13:26,197 --> 01:13:28,033
- I was, like, screaming for you.
Oh, yeah.
1210
01:13:28,033 --> 01:13:30,201
I heard the screaming
and I'm like, "Wow."
1211
01:13:30,201 --> 01:13:34,456
Third place,
we have Dana Ducktape. Dana!
1212
01:13:34,456 --> 01:13:38,835
Second place, Alexandria K...
1213
01:13:38,835 --> 01:13:41,671
because I can't pronounce
her last name.
1214
01:13:41,671 --> 01:13:43,506
There she is. Thank you.
1215
01:14:04,611 --> 01:14:06,279
Holy moly. Look at that.
1216
01:14:06,279 --> 01:14:11,034
Two of their-- one, one of their
engines is the value of this.
1217
01:14:12,702 --> 01:14:14,662
We're heading
to the outer harbor.
1218
01:14:14,662 --> 01:14:17,540
There's several hundred
gray seals that,
1219
01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:19,918
they don't literally haul out,
1220
01:14:19,918 --> 01:14:23,880
but they sit on the bottom
where it's really shallow.
1221
01:14:25,382 --> 01:14:29,052
All these animals, it's always
just the balance between, like,
1222
01:14:29,052 --> 01:14:34,099
food, rest, growth, sex,
1223
01:14:34,099 --> 01:14:36,893
and escaping predators, so,
1224
01:14:36,893 --> 01:14:39,437
like, "Let's find
that niche of the beach
1225
01:14:39,437 --> 01:14:42,649
where I can take a nap
and not get eaten."
1226
01:15:13,304 --> 01:15:15,598
Oh, wow.
1227
01:15:15,598 --> 01:15:18,184
There's a dead humpback.
1228
01:15:18,184 --> 01:15:19,436
Bryan Legare:
Where?
1229
01:15:19,436 --> 01:15:22,230
West of the southwest corner,
1230
01:15:22,230 --> 01:15:24,524
right out here.
1231
01:15:24,524 --> 01:15:25,942
Do we go?
1232
01:15:25,942 --> 01:15:27,277
Um...
1233
01:15:33,408 --> 01:15:35,535
I said, uh, "Scott, Bryan here.
1234
01:15:35,535 --> 01:15:37,454
"Uh, we heard there's
a dead whale.
1235
01:15:37,454 --> 01:15:38,788
"Skomal is on the water.
1236
01:15:38,788 --> 01:15:41,124
And if he had a better location,
that would help us."
1237
01:15:41,124 --> 01:15:43,626
It's a-- you know,
it's the needle in the haystack.
1238
01:15:43,626 --> 01:15:46,212
Like, in your mind a dead whale
is gonna be huge.
1239
01:15:46,212 --> 01:15:49,090
It's actually really--
they're really hard to find.
1240
01:16:21,081 --> 01:16:22,624
Wow.
1241
01:16:24,042 --> 01:16:26,503
- Look at all the petrels.
Yeah.
1242
01:16:26,503 --> 01:16:29,005
So, you can see
all the little bits
1243
01:16:29,005 --> 01:16:31,466
that's kind of broke down
on the whale.
1244
01:16:31,466 --> 01:16:34,302
That's wonderful fat
for a small seabird
1245
01:16:34,302 --> 01:16:36,346
like a Wilson's storm petrel.
1246
01:16:40,892 --> 01:16:44,229
A whale floating at the surface
like this, as it breaks down,
1247
01:16:44,229 --> 01:16:47,982
it's gonna provide lots
of feeding opportunities
for these birds.
1248
01:16:47,982 --> 01:16:50,068
And these birds
will migrate south.
1249
01:16:50,068 --> 01:16:52,529
And they're so small,
so fat stores for them.
1250
01:16:52,529 --> 01:16:53,905
It's really important.
1251
01:16:53,905 --> 01:16:56,324
So a boost like this will
probably be good for this--
1252
01:16:56,324 --> 01:16:59,994
Look at how many there are
just trailing behind us here.
1253
01:16:59,994 --> 01:17:01,621
It's beautiful.
1254
01:17:06,126 --> 01:17:08,211
You can see how quickly,
you know,
1255
01:17:08,211 --> 01:17:11,673
this animal's being reclaimed
into the ecosystem.
1256
01:17:14,759 --> 01:17:16,636
It's powerful, right?
1257
01:17:16,636 --> 01:17:19,723
Most people don't think
about whales when they die.
1258
01:17:22,225 --> 01:17:25,603
Right now, it's gassed up,
but if, if they create a cavity
1259
01:17:25,603 --> 01:17:28,606
and the gas is released,
it'll sink.
1260
01:17:28,606 --> 01:17:30,775
That's when it becomes
whale fall
1261
01:17:30,775 --> 01:17:32,027
and sinks to the bottom.
1262
01:17:32,027 --> 01:17:35,280
And then everything
on the bottom has a meal.
1263
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:43,288
There have been sharks here.
1264
01:17:43,580 --> 01:17:46,958
Yeah. Those definitely
look like some shark bites.
1265
01:17:46,958 --> 01:17:50,462
That big open area
on the top of the whale,
1266
01:17:50,462 --> 01:17:53,423
those are all, all bites.
1267
01:17:53,423 --> 01:17:56,051
Tow boat's here.
Yeah, tow boat's here.
1268
01:17:56,051 --> 01:17:59,095
That's Noah. That's Noah Santos.
1269
01:17:59,095 --> 01:18:01,306
He's got a shark cage
right there.
1270
01:18:03,558 --> 01:18:05,310
Oh, my God.
He is going in that water.
1271
01:18:05,310 --> 01:18:06,519
- What?
Yeah.
1272
01:18:06,519 --> 01:18:08,646
That is amazing.
1273
01:18:09,064 --> 01:18:11,483
Part of the culture
of Cape Cod.
1274
01:18:16,321 --> 01:18:18,782
Oh, Lord.
1275
01:18:28,667 --> 01:18:31,086
That's not
a whale watch though.
That's the "Ock."
1276
01:18:31,086 --> 01:18:32,545
Oh, that's Greg
that's on that.
1277
01:18:32,545 --> 01:18:33,797
Greg Skomal?
Yeah.
1278
01:18:33,797 --> 01:18:36,132
Oh, cool. So he's here.
Yeah.
1279
01:18:37,342 --> 01:18:39,135
Oh, yeah. No worries.
How's it going?
1280
01:18:42,013 --> 01:18:44,724
- Oh, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
1281
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:49,646
Yeah.
1282
01:18:50,772 --> 01:18:52,148
Yeah.
1283
01:18:58,113 --> 01:19:02,867
So, Bryan, you see
the elliptical marks
on the side here?
1284
01:19:02,867 --> 01:19:04,661
Yeah.
There's a shark fin
right there.
1285
01:19:04,661 --> 01:19:06,830
- I just saw a shark fin.
You just saw
a shark fin?
1286
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:08,873
Dorsal fin, yup.
You guys look this way.
1287
01:19:08,873 --> 01:19:11,001
- There was just a shark tip.
- Yeah, right in the back.
1288
01:19:11,001 --> 01:19:14,671
Yep. Oh, oh! Was that a--
Oh. Was that a white or a blue?
1289
01:19:14,671 --> 01:19:17,257
Uh, that's not a white.
Okay.
1290
01:19:25,557 --> 01:19:27,767
Oh! Right behind,
that's a shark!
Oh, look at that.
1291
01:19:27,767 --> 01:19:29,602
Yeah.
That's a white shark.
1292
01:19:29,602 --> 01:19:31,730
White shark!
1293
01:19:31,730 --> 01:19:33,648
Big one.
Yeah.
1294
01:19:33,648 --> 01:19:35,316
- RV "Ock," RV "Ock."
Yeah!
1295
01:19:35,316 --> 01:19:38,445
This is "Volta" on 82.
1296
01:19:38,445 --> 01:19:39,487
Holy!
1297
01:19:39,487 --> 01:19:40,739
Oh, why you coming to me?
1298
01:19:40,739 --> 01:19:42,240
That's a--
He is looking at us.
1299
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,867
- Don't come on my...
Tagged.
1300
01:19:43,867 --> 01:19:46,494
Yeah.
Get the dorsal fin, Bryan.
1301
01:20:00,759 --> 01:20:03,970
It's big. It's really big.
1302
01:20:08,350 --> 01:20:12,354
Oh, my God.
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
1303
01:20:12,354 --> 01:20:14,272
Holy fucking shit.
1304
01:20:14,272 --> 01:20:16,232
Oh, my God.
1305
01:20:29,829 --> 01:20:33,291
Noah Santos: Fucking shit.
Get me out of this!
1306
01:20:33,291 --> 01:20:36,920
Oh, my God.
1307
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,005
It's like watching Jaws go by.
1308
01:20:39,005 --> 01:20:40,840
Oh, my God, babe, you did it!
1309
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,967
Whoo!
Whoo!
1310
01:20:42,967 --> 01:20:46,388
Check that off
the bucket list. Holy shit!
1311
01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:52,370
The ecosystem
provides balance and stability
1312
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:55,582
if we'll just give it
balance and stability.
1313
01:21:58,209 --> 01:22:03,214
Those of us who live here
see little snapshots.
1314
01:22:03,214 --> 01:22:06,384
As this ecosystem changes,
1315
01:22:06,384 --> 01:22:10,472
the snapshots
become more telling.
1316
01:22:10,472 --> 01:22:13,808
One can imagine that
Native Americans,
1317
01:22:13,808 --> 01:22:15,226
who lived on these shores,
1318
01:22:15,226 --> 01:22:17,062
probably saw little difference
1319
01:22:17,062 --> 01:22:20,815
in, in the coming and going
of fish and birds,
1320
01:22:20,815 --> 01:22:22,817
and, and whales,
1321
01:22:22,817 --> 01:22:27,030
probably for millennia.
1322
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:30,492
Now in a lifetime
we're seeing those differences.
1323
01:22:32,577 --> 01:22:36,873
My grandfather said that
when my ancestors came here,
1324
01:22:36,873 --> 01:22:39,417
there was an abundance
of fish such that
1325
01:22:39,417 --> 01:22:42,253
in this very location,
right in the harbor,
1326
01:22:42,253 --> 01:22:46,800
they fished
with big wicker baskets.
1327
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:48,718
It was a time of balance.
1328
01:22:48,718 --> 01:22:55,392
And this ecosystem right now
one feels, I certainly feel,
1329
01:22:55,392 --> 01:22:58,353
is in a state where it's
trying to find the balance.
1330
01:22:58,353 --> 01:23:03,983
But human activities
have imbalanced the system.
1331
01:23:03,983 --> 01:23:05,485
Finding that balance,
1332
01:23:05,485 --> 01:23:10,115
and finding how humans can live
with that balance is not easy.
1333
01:23:24,170 --> 01:23:26,631
- Really looks pretty today.
Yeah.
1334
01:23:28,216 --> 01:23:30,301
- Did you see the whale?
No, I didn't. Did you?
1335
01:23:30,301 --> 01:23:32,137
I-- Yeah. Your mother,
when she went down
1336
01:23:32,137 --> 01:23:33,888
and said there's a whale coming,
1337
01:23:33,888 --> 01:23:36,433
- I saw the spout.
Oh, nice.
1338
01:23:37,434 --> 01:23:39,978
We're going up because
we're gonna pull the chair up.
1339
01:23:39,978 --> 01:23:41,438
Oh, you're pulling
the chair up too?
1340
01:23:41,438 --> 01:23:42,814
- All right.
Yep.
Thanks, Dana.
1341
01:23:42,814 --> 01:23:44,107
I don't know
if there's any space.
1342
01:23:44,107 --> 01:23:46,234
That's all right.
We'll figure it out. Thanks.
1343
01:23:46,234 --> 01:23:48,361
The lifeguards are
taking up their chairs,
1344
01:23:48,361 --> 01:23:50,155
- so there's no more lifeguards.
Oh.
1345
01:23:50,155 --> 01:23:51,990
Yeah, if there's
a shark out there,
1346
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:54,492
you won't know unless
you happen to see the fin.
1347
01:24:03,168 --> 01:24:05,337
Up, up, up, up, up!
1348
01:24:16,806 --> 01:24:19,684
When my parents bought
a piece of land in Wellfleet,
1349
01:24:19,684 --> 01:24:21,770
there were no houses,
it was all woods.
1350
01:24:24,689 --> 01:24:28,693
In those days, you felt
you'd reached an outpost.
1351
01:24:29,569 --> 01:24:33,365
The land was wild
and uncontaminated.
1352
01:24:34,657 --> 01:24:39,287
Only by a, a thumbnail is
the Cape still a wild place.
1353
01:24:39,287 --> 01:24:42,874
You know, it's this tiny
little vest pocket park.
1354
01:24:42,874 --> 01:24:44,584
Too many people use it.
1355
01:24:45,877 --> 01:24:48,254
It's just holding on,
1356
01:24:48,254 --> 01:24:51,174
just holding on
for its ecological life.
1357
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:08,775
I mean, I'm a little worried,
1358
01:25:08,775 --> 01:25:11,277
because, like, we're
still in peak shark season
1359
01:25:11,277 --> 01:25:13,405
and people are still going
to be coming to the beach.
1360
01:25:13,405 --> 01:25:14,739
I mean,
some of us will be around.
1361
01:25:14,739 --> 01:25:17,534
So, we'll keep an eye out,
like, unofficially.
1362
01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:22,580
We'll definitely be
looking for sharks
1363
01:25:22,580 --> 01:25:24,040
'cause we can
never turn it off,
1364
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:25,500
and we can never stop lifeguarding.
1365
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:28,795
Hopefully people
will pay attention.