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(Narrator) Rome. A city unlike any other in the world.
It is impossible to determine whether its beauty resides more in history,
in its art or its monuments.
But the charm of this wonderful metropolis
is not to be found in these aspects alone.
Many alleys, streets, squares even some neighborhoods
Are rich in stories that are mixed with legends.
Suffice it to think to the myth of its founding.
Two brothers of divine lineage, abandoned on the banks of the Tiber,
and raised by a she-wolf who became the symbol of the city.
A legend so famous
That so many people think it's more real than it seems.
It is perhaps because of this that many of its mysteries
are related to myth and reality.
However, one of the most interesting and disturbing
resides just outside the city
and comes to life in a small medieval village
now abandoned.
Galeria Antica. Our journey starts from here.
With the help of a team of experts,
We will figure out how to find the truth
in the legend of this place.
In other words, we will prove
That the supernatural is more real than it may seem.
(Alessia) We find ourselves in an ancient city of Etruscan origin,
abandoned during the barbarian invasions
and then repopulated in the Middle Ages thanks to Pope Hadrian.
From that time Galeria prospered under the auspices of various noble families.
This was until the 18th century
with the arrival of malaria which decimated the population
and forced the few survivors to abandon it permanently in 1809.
On a spur of tuff stone many dwellings rise
that once constituted the beating heart of Galeria
And which, by now, are overgrown by vegetation.
It is a place that because of its layout and geography
confuses you And makes you lose your bearings.
When you walk you have to be careful to where you put your feet
Because it is full of real dangers, hidden holes and cliffs.
This is precisely why Jacob and Vanessa have been here many times,
to memorize every stone and tree.
Vanessa, Jacob,
why did you choose this place to start this adventure ?
Well we chose it because it's a little bit like home.
It's a very esoteric, particular place.
But the whole vibeis good, though. It's really nice. It's peaceful.
You don't perceive any negative entities or presences.
The nice thing is that you lose the cognition of time a little bit.
You go in... You know when you go in But you don't really know when you come out.
The fact that it feels so peaceful and this positivity that the place conveys
surely depends on the fact that there are Wiccan symbols
Which are specifically for protecting the place.
This is very important.
However, the fact of losing your bearings a little bit
is a bit destabilizing, isn't it ?
(Jacob) It depends Because as she told you,
being a place that conveys positive feelings and positive energies
you don't get that sense of panic that in other places might take hold of you...
- Of bewilderment. - (Jacob) That's right.
So even if you find yourself passing several times in the same place
And whether you recognize it or not, it makes no difference.
You don't feel bad in fact,
what you feel Is the desire not to leave, to stay,
precisely because you're okay.
Wicca is the most widespread neopagan religion in the world
merging within it, in a kind of syncretism,
shamanic techniques, Druidic cults and folk and medieval beliefs.
Wiccans worship primarily nature and its cycles.
There are two symbols found mainly in the land.
The first is the Aegishjalmur, also known as the helmet of terror,
And it is a kind of star made of straight lines intersecting at the center
And which bear, each at the end, a rune.
It is a classic symbol of protection for Viking warriors
Who used to draw it on their foreheads
to keep enemies away And instill fear in them.
The second is the troll cross.
It is a clear sign of protection In the shape of the Odal rune
Which is used to instill protection
against dark magic, against trolls and evil elves.
Was it malaria that infested this place?
That is the official story. But let's consider it together. Try to think.
People suddenly ran away.
Leaving behind all their personal belongings and the bodies of the deceased
They fled only 1 kilometer away.
Why only a kilometer If it was malaria ?
Why abandon everything so abruptly ?
Why are the bodies left in the church,
Which is the most consacrated place
Instead of taking them to some field, consecrate that and bury them there ?
Why everything happened so fast ?
It could be in reaction to a big scare, right ?
Correct.
(Narrator) Jacob and Vanessa will be accompanied by Enrico Oetiker,
an actor with a great passion for the supernatural.
His experience will consist in understanding
how to make contact with the spirits of the place.
He is a bit skeptical but he will soon have a chance to change his mind.
- Here we go. Hi. - Hi.
- Welcome - Thank you.
Are you ready? Do you know what awaits you?
- I haven't the faintest idea. - Have you ever talked to the dead?
Are you ready to do that?
- With the dead... - With the dead-- dead.
- I've never had that happen to me. - Well, there are many here.
So many have died here And not all of them are friendly.
Good.
Think about whether you have to spend death Where you have already spent life, in eternity.
- Perpetual lockdown. - (Jacob) Right.
We have to go there, of our own free will.
(Jacob) That's right.
- Now don't be... - I can't be bad.
- Tell him. - Don't be mean.
- Seriously, we know the location. - Okay.
We have come there several times.
In general, the feelings are positive.
- Okay. - (Vanessa) Okay ?
We will have a way to really talk to each other Because we have tools that we will use
To make a connection with these entities.
Sorry to interrupt, is there anything I need to know ?
- (Jacob) Sure. - Things to do or not to do ?
What you don't have to do Is leave them gifts
unless they are circular or spherical in shape
Because the object that you leave Would bind them to you since it is yours.
Then, when we leave the place, there will be a ritual phrase to say
But I'll tell you that one later in my own time.
As we move forward
I will instruct you in the correct behavior to keep here.
Thank you, you have already put my mind at ease a lot.
- You a little less, though... - And that's not the end of it.
(Narrator) Before leaving In search of the ghosts,
Jacob, Vanessa and Enrico get ready.
They will be equipped with flashlights and two-way radios.
Most importantly, each of them will wear a body-cam
to witness what they will see.
Their experience will still be documented by our crew
who will accompany them.
Enrico still seems to have some doubts about what he is going to do
But he will have time to change his mind.
As did all the people who have passed through these parts.
Alessia, on the other hand, will coordinate their actions from base camp
making sure that everything goes according to plan,
following step by step
the communications that Jacob and Vanessa will hold with the local entities.
I wonder if they will turn out to be good... or evil
Are you ready to go ?
I will stay at the base camp
But I will stay in contact with you thanks to the two-way radios.
- 2020, no cell phone, huh ? - No, no... I'll explain right away.
The cell phone would interfere with the EK2 ghost box
And all the rest of the equipment.
We have to avoid that If we want to communicate with the entities.
No problem.
Perfect, just remember That if you needed anything at all,
you get in touch with me And I will call for help right away, okay ?
- Fine. - Help ?
- Don't worry about it. - Let's go come on !
- Lights on, let's go ! - (Enrico) Bye, Alessia.
- (Vanessa) Bye, Ale. - (Alessia) Bye.
(Jacob) I'll bring him back alive if I can
(Jacob) Galeria is a magical place, full of positive and negative energy.
The negative is trapped by individual Wiccans
put in place specifically to keep these negative entities at bay
While the positive, you are able to experience it at all times,
On whatever path you find yourself.
You feel it, you feel it inside, it stays with you.
- Do you feel that the humidity has already risen ? - So, do you come here often ?
- We came here many times. - Yes.
It is a special place, I'm sure you'll like it.
What about a nice evening at home with Netflix ? No, I'd rather come here...
No, look actually...
Our hope is to always find someone to interact with.
There are new stories.
In a way they enrich you inside. It's a chance to grow.
Now that we are coming to the actual entrance
I'll explain the etiquette, which is critical.
(Jacob) The rules of etiquette are paramount
And one should never forget them.
It's a bit like visiting a friend who is still alive.
We are going to his house and we have to behave with the utmost respect.
Enter, introduce ourselves, ask for permission
and especially don't snap at them
not even when provoked by some negative entity
- ( Enrico) So they also have an etiquette ? - (Jacob) Yes, it is a form of respect.
You try to think (Jacob) entering someone else's house.
- So you go in and be respectful. - ( Enrico) Sure.
From here already we should make a proper introduction, announcing ourselves,
Explaining that we are at peace and that we are friends.
(Jacob) Here we go.
This is Jacob. I ask your permission To enter your abode.
We are here in peace and friendship. We are here to communicate.
(Vanessa) Enrico, come.
(Jacob) Do you understand Why I did this ?
( Enrico) I think so. To announce your presence ?
(Jacob) Very good. Let's go into their house.
Hear that ? (ENRICO IMITATES A SCREECH)
- Right ? Something screeching. - (Vanessa) I heard it, too.
(Enrico) Oh my, what a scare! It was as if something was falling.
- Well, welcome to Galeria ! - (Enrico) Just great, help.
It was unbelievable.
We heard a screech, a noise, I couldn't describe it.
Although we have been there many times, Vanessa and I,
had never heard that noise.
So, we could say that we got off on the right foot.
(Jacob) Stones, rocks, branches.
Be careful where you put your feet, the ground is not stable.
- ( Enrico) Do I have to announce myself as well ? - (Jacob) Generally, yes.
Generally, you have to announce yourself. In this case it is not necessary.
You are in my group, I announced myself.
We are all covered By my presentation.
( Enrico) Are we already inside?
- (Vanessa) Yeah. - (Jacob) Yeah, we're already in.
(Vanessa) It always has its charm.
(Jacob) The construction Is just what it used to be.
Stones taken in various sizes And put there together.
Look at that structure ! Do you see these stones ? Placed one by one.
They used to pass through here, walked here, lived here.
There were hundreds of people And then all of a sudden...
(SNAPS HIS FINGERS)
All gone.
Evey one of them.
(Vanessa) Let's see if I can feel anything. You know I have my ritual, right ?
(Jacob) Vanessa is very sensitive.
Some would call her "psychic." I prefer the term "sensitive."
So she can sense If there are different vibrations
In the energy around us.
Touching the walls, amplifies this feeling.
- Hmm... - (Jacob) Is it promising ?
I don't know whether to reassure him Or scare him.
(Jacob) I think he's scared enough on his own.
Here we go, Enrico. This is one of the most important spots in this place.
Have you ever seen one like this ?
This is a Norse-Viking symbol also used by the Wiccan religion.
It is a symbol of protection like so many others found at this location.
Is it a good thing ? Is it good that it's there ?
Yes, they keep negative forces away
- ( Enrico) Good. - Let's go.
- That should put your mind at ease. - (Enrico) I already feel safer !
The Aegishjalmur Is an ancient and most powerful symbol.
It really works, so much so that I covered myself with those, as you can see.
The advice I can give you Is to always keep it with you !
( Enrico) Is this the core of the place, so to speak?
- (Jacob) This... Vanessa, you say it. - (Vanessa) It is the old bell tower.
Here, when there was this...
- (Enrico) Departure ? - (Vanessa) Yes, that's right.
Because of malaria, some of the dead were left here.
- (Vanessa) Here we are. - We have arrived.
- Ghost box. - (Enrico) Ghost box ?
Which is... ?
It's the tool that we use to communicate with the entity.
It's a radio that scans AM frequencies,
200 per minute, backwards.
Then... whatever, now you will realize how it works.
This is a place...
Do you remember when I said. that they had brought the dead into the church ?
You're right there now.
When it starts, it will be very loud.
So don't get scared.
When you don't know, you get scared.
Actually there are other things that should scare you.
(Vanessa) Okay.
(Jacob) As I was telling you, they were-- here they were... They actually dumped them in here, the bodies.
(Vanessa) We decided To turn on the ghost box.
As every time, like clockwork It's like someone is greeting us.
There is always a sentence that starts the conversation, isn't there ?
As if to say: "Okay, you have arrived ! Are you there ?"
- Okay, I'm starting off, huh ? - (Jacob) Go.
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
- Shall I try to communicate with it ? - (Jacob) Yes, you are in charge.
As I told you before, she is "sensitive." others would say "psychic."
(Vanessa) Hello.
(Narrator) Jacob and Vanessa prepare to make contact
With one or more entities.
Their work now consists In looking for the right frequency
And find a communication channel using a radio.
(Vanessa) Does anyone wants to communicate with us ?
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
One ?
Is it on the right thing ? You are on FM, move to AM.
(Narrator) While the ghost finders Are doing their job,
Enrico makes friends with the local wildlife.
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
Do you want to communicate with us ?
Look who has come back to visit us.
You know the significance of cats in the esoteric world, don't you ?
Were they revered by the Egyptians because they had special qualities ?
The presence of the cat Is a positive presence
Contrary to popular belief.
The cat accompanies souls in their paths
And it also becomes the guardian Of the places where souls find refuge.
(Vanessa) Is there anyone who wants to talk to us ?
"It's the entities."
Do the entities want to talk to us ?
"Almost."
- I think you have to change it. - No, it's the right one.
(Jacob) Stay tuned.
(Narrator) As Jacob explores the ruins,
Vanessa is still focused on finding the right way to communicate,
in front of Enrico's incredulous gaze.
Can you talk to us ?
We came in peace.
- (Jacob) Okay. - (Vanessa) Okay.
Can we try to talk with Senza Affanni then ?
Senza Affanni is the ghost from a local legend. A...
- "No !" - What ?
- He said no. - No ? There is no Senza Affanni ?
"No !"
Why can't we talk with Senza Affanni ?
He is a minstrel. (DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
On winter nights he walks back over the trail on horseback
In search of his beloved.
Try to take energy from these instruments.
(Jacob) Apparently hoofbeats can be heard. (INAUDIBLE VOICE)
Look, I'll shine a flashlight. Try to get energy from this.
- Isn't that... ? - (Vanessa) What, it's not ?
(Jacob) I spoke over him.
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
(Vanessa) Get energy from the instruments.
- "Make it disappear." - (Vanessa) What should I make disappear ?
- What did he say ? - (Vanessa) "In the sense of..."
- (Jacob) "Make it disappear." - (Vanessa) What should I make disappear?
- Ask him what you need to make disappear. - What is it that we need to make disappear ?
- "You." - Why should I disappear ?
- A ? - (Jacob) Can you sense anything?
Can you catch any Of these words ?
Like a flat line.
"Let's hear." Did you hear that ?
That's right, and then like flashes.
(Vanessa) Yes, some of the words Are really clear.
It was as if the entity was also curious about what you were feeling.
Look I'll just sit right here, I want to communicate with you.
We have come... Your cat friend is also here.
- I heard "Virginia", twice ! - (Jacob) Really ?
- (Jacob) The cat will be called Virginia. - (Vanessa) Are you here?
Did you hear her ?
(Narrator) Vanessa continues the dialogue with one of the entities of Galeria Antica.
Being a psychic is definitely helpful to her
To avoid steering the communication
In a wrong direction.
The consequences could be irreversible.
(Jacob) Can you tell us your name ?
- "Grandfather (nonno)?" - ( Enrico) No.
- (Vanessa) Did you hear that? - He said three no's.
Oh !"No, no, no" ?
Why won't you tell us your name ?
(DISTURBED FREQUENCY)
(Vanessa) I want to talk With Senza Affanni.
Sorry, may I repeat ? I heard "fuck off".
Sorry !
I keep hearing swear words, guys.
(Jacob) Can you tell us a word that lets us know that you know Enrico ?
"Northerner."
I am Swiss.
Northerner ! Without even knowing where he came from ! Northerner !
Is there anything more to add ?
- What was that voice ? - Every now and then it would call...
Can you tell us more about him ?
What ?
(Vanessa) Ex ?
(Jacob) Something clearer please.
It is also difficult to communicate
Because of the symbols that are placed here, which is the reason why...
(Enrico) Are they disturbing ?
- Yes. - Good.
We chose a quiet place. Maybe too much so.
If I teased you a little bit maybe you could give me an answer ?
Will you tell me who you are ?
"No !" A sharp answer. No.
Who are you ?
I am Vanessa, who are you ?
"Abram?" Try introducing yourself, Enrico.
- Do I speak close ? - (Vanessa) Yes, try.
Hi. I am Enrico. Do you want to tell me your name ?
Do you want to talk to me ?
- Certainly. - Certainly.
It's a woman.
Am I talking to a woman ?
- Luca ? - He is a man. He said it before, too.
Insist.
Do you want to talk to me ?
(Jacob) Enrico has come on purpose To talk to you.
"Hello." Did you hear that ?
(INAUDIBLE VOICES)
Are you here with us ?
How many of you are there ? I want to know how many of you are...
- "Five." - Five.
Did you hear that ?
I can hear you. Are you here near me ?
"The symbols." Did you hear him say "the symbols" ?
Yes, we saw the symbols. They probably bother you.
I saw fit to walk away.
I thought I was the one creating interference with the ghost box.
We needed to communicate.
(Vanessa) Are you good entities or bad entities ?
"Bad." You heard it too, very clear.
- Did he say "bad" ? - Yes, Enrico heard it too.
That's why they struggle to communicate.
(Vanessa) You know perfectly well That we are not afraid of you.
Have you been confined here ?
"There you go..."
"Don't mind..."
What are you doing, not talking now ?
(Jacob) If you see it going on red It means that there is something.
(Vanessa) "Always you." Yes, it's always me.
"Oh God..."
Did you hear that ? "Oh God..."
Maybe you want to talk to an old friend. Let's call him that.
- OK. - (Vanessa) OK.
But what if I move the ring ?
(Vanessa) "Eeeh..." (LAUGHS)
you have been really bad hosts anyway
because you didn't even introduce yourselves to Enrico.
"There is no reason." Did he say there is no reason ?
"It's just that I'm..."
"And I don't..."
"It is a name that..."
All right. I think that...
- (Vanessa) Do we want to stop here ? - Yes.
- We say goodbye to them. - Yes, you are bad guys. He said "bad guys."
Enrico, when we say hello to them,
we have to remind them That they don't have to follow us.
The beautiful thing was right at the end.
When we decided to stop
because it didn't seem to be giving us any kind of interaction,
"bad guys" was clearly heard.
So... well.
They were almost sorry and so were we, a little bit.
Also because if they are bad...
(Vanessa) Yes, let's do it in turn. You close and I'll close last.
We say goodbye to you. You stay here and we leave.
So, I didn't expect...
The fact of finding a wall, basically.
You didn't want to communicate Or even take energy.
Look at the bee ! Look at the bee ! It is above me !
(Vanessa) Do you see it ?
Explain this thing about the bees.
(Jacob) Don't point the light at it. I'll tell you why.
It is not an unusual thing
But the lights at night make them aggressive.
You wait here but don't follow me. Don't follow me or them.
(Jacob) At night they sleep But they sense the light.
- For them it's like I'm attacking them. - Yes.
(Narrator) Vanessa and Jacob end communication with the entities of Galeria
offering their greetings.
Etiquette is always an important thing
especially if you have to talk to a ghost.
Is it yours ?
Okay. Too bad though, they were...
Let's not point the light at it.
Now maybe in the dark You give yourself a little shake and she'll fly away.
Yeah, I don't know how much it affects on what I'm going to say
The fact that I'm like this,
that we are here And we just did this thing
However, I think I heared that, as he was skipping frequencies,
he spelled out my last name, and it's not like my name is Rossi or Bianchi.
- Sure. - I don't know if I am just fooling myself.
- That would be interesting to clean up the audio. - Absolutely.
See if I imagined it.
Self-deception is always the first among the possibilities.
But by cleaning up the audio we can find out if you heard it or if it was your imagination.
However, it is probable, it is possible that you actually heard it
And that they actually said it.
Let's also remember that he showed up and that he wanted to communicate,
She told him, "certainly."
- It's true. - So maybe he liked you.
- He didn't want to talk to us. - We have...
I don't know if it's good, they are bad And I didn't want them to like me.
They are not always like that, he said he was bad because he was...
- That one there specifically. - Exactly.
Consider that there is also the Fugitive here.
It is a specter, an entity that we interacted with,
Who wished to escape from this place While these symbols confine them here.
From the crossroads, he gave us the exact number of steps to get to the entrance.
At the first archway.
Counted the number of stones from the bottom
To ask us to remove one at a particular point.
Did it bother him ?
No, not to him, to everyone, because there was a closing symbol.
He asked you to move the sign That held him there.
- So he could get out. - Yes.
- We stopped in time. - There's all kinds of entities here.
From the child who died from malaria Or something else,
To the mother, the torturer, the delinquent, the vagrant.
- There are so many souls here. - So many personalities.
The moment you are addressed by one of these
And it tells you it's bad, it is.
- (Jacob) For sure he is. - ( Enrico) Shall I take him home tonight ?
(Jacob) Leave nothing behind And you won't take anything back with you.
Besides, we told him to stay here, didn't we ?
Then, although here there were all those bodies left behind,
it was still a sacred place.
So, it's quiet, protected. More or less.
There are other spots in this place That despite the symbols...
- Are more exposed ? - Correct.
Despite the symbols, so imagine how much...
- Charge ? - Negative.
Shall we go find some more ?
- Are you up for it ? Come on ! - Go on, we're in it now.
(Jacob) Once again,
Vanessa proved to be very communicative with the entities.
Every time there was her voice, there was a subsequent interaction.
Enrico was able to see it
And he was surprised, very surprised.
How surprised he was !
In fact, later, with the cameras off,
since there were so many of us and that made communication difficult,
However, with the cameras off,
Enrico told us what was his fear.
His emotion, yes. Emotion is the right word.
Enrico became emotional And he expressed this feeling to us.
He also had tears in his eyes. But it's cool, you know.
These are things that can happen, these are investigations.
You never know what's coming.
So, especially for the first one,
Hearing yourself called by your last name is not a common thing.
Also because it didn't call by his last name
Someone to whom he introduced himself
Or someone else who was present.
No, it was someone who was on the other side, in every sense.
Then, on the way back towards the base camp,
he calmed down a bit.
We explained to him That by not taking anything away
he was not taking any risk.
The entity that had come into contact with him was not a negative one,
So that relaxed him.
(Narrator) Despite the insistence of Vanessa,
Enrico prefers to return to base camp.
You can tell that the experience has tested him a bit.
He needs to rationalize what he has just witnessed.
(Jacob) Thank you for welcoming us.
We go now and you stay here.
- (Jacob) Hello Ale. - Welcome back.
- (Vanessa) Hello, Ale. - ( Enrico) Hello !
Well ? How did it go?
- How was the experience ? - Yeah, how was it ?
Definitely strange. It was not a normal experience.
There was a moment with the ghost box,
I don't know if my mind was playing tricks at me
and how much actually happened,
However, there was a moment where it became apparent to me
That there was like a discussion between these entities
About me.
When I was called by Jacob and Vanessa,
I clearly heard comments.
I would be curious to listen to them again To see how much and whether I imagined that.
It sounded as if these entities were arguing about me.
I heard for example: "You are a narcissist."
I can tell you that we had the feeling of hearing words
though, of course, as we usually do,
we reserve the right to listen to the audio more carefully and clean it up.
- With the clean audio. - Correct.
It's reconnecting a little bit,
a lot has happened in a period of time that by the way...
You were saying the altered space-time cognition
We went in at six o'clock, I heard now from the production manager.
Now coming out, it seemed to me 15 minutes had passed,
Instead it's past ten o'clock
So I'm a little bit dazed.
Another crazy thing Is that when we finished,
I was a little bit disappointed because I didn't have very clear perceptions.
I looked down and there was a bee Walking on my leg.
Now I don't know if one necessarily wants to look for signs where there are none
However, a bee at night I have never seen.
The bee has an explanation.
Although one may at first be suggested
and believe that it is a supernatural thing,
Actually, if the bees are caught At night with artificial light,
they react as if it were an attack.
- For the hive ? - Correct.
It's like there is an invasion So they go out.
They check first and then, if necessary, they attack.
- Yours was just checking, fortunately. - Perfect.
Was it difficult to make contact, a connection with them tonight ?
Were they particularly inclined ?
No, it was a little difficult.
I don't know if that happened because of the newcomer
- Did you ask permission on entering ? - Yes, of course.
- The bon-ton, the rules. - Yes, I followed all the etiquette.
- I don't know, maybe because there were so many of us. - Yes.
- Do you feel calm ? Or are you restless ? - I am calm.
No, I'm quite... I don't carry anything negative with me.
Of negative, of heavy.
There, there is a special feeling, Of electricity in the air.
I am calmer now, though.
Here we are, in the midst of today's artificial things.
Yeah, come on.
All in all. it was a good experience, wasn't it ?
I wouldn't say I'd do it again. If you say: "Shall we do it again ?" No, that was enough for me.
Over dinner, over dinner.
I think tonight you guys were also quite nice
In seeking this form of communication.
I don't think it's like that for everybody.
They also get disturbed sometimes
By people entering a place which is rightfully theirs.
- Exactly. - It is their home.
Are they a little wary ?
Consider this.
Communication tends to be stronger and more intense
When the entity is negative, as we said before we started.
Here, thanks in part to the symbols present, positivity reigns.
Even when they manifest as villains, and we heared "bad",
They do not have the strength to induce discomfort.
So one cannot leave With negative feelings from this place.
There are other places where the negative feeling already pervades you from afar.
Good thing I was the protagonist of this episode.
But still...
Is there anything that has stuck with you ?
Something particular or that you didn't expect ?
Actually a lot of little things.
Earlier, with the cameras off, Jacob was telling me.
That when you are in the presence Of these entities
you should leave something circular
into which these entities can be enclosed
So if anything, leave something circular or spherical.
As soon as I entered the spot... I don't know what it's called.
- In the obelisk place. - The obelisk place.
In the cavity of the wall,
I saw melted wax and a wedding ring, a ring left there.
It hit me because as soon as I walked in, I saw this thing.
- Then, yes. The feeling of coldness. - Did you feel a chill on you ?
- Almost the whole time. - It came to me and then to you.
It came down from below Instead of coming from where it should.
- Does it happen ? - Yes, it can happen.
When there are entities, usually the temperature falls.
- The wind picks up. - What things can happen ?
Many: gusts of wind, yes, of very cold wind.
The temperatures drop steeply.
That's why we go With our detectors
That really help us to navigate from one environment to another.
Is there no explanation ?
I always explain that with airdrafts.
So the warm air goes up, cold air goes down.
Cold air starts from the bottom And you can feel it.
However, of course,
Someone could say that these are explanations That make me...
I mean, that I'm grabbing at straws,
However, I always look for the rational explanation.
As for the bees. Bees at night They attack the artificial light.
So the cold currents are lower, and you feel them from below
There are a number of explanations, and I find them.
They are not, let's say
100% reliable, but what is ?
Then there's the cat. The cat came...
The little furry guardian.
- He came... - He stood beside me.
Yes, yes.
The nicest thing Is that as we were leaving,
It seemed to have taken a tour scouting
To make sure no one was left behind.
And then he followed us on the way back to the base camp.
- Now he's with us. - Yes.
Eating sandwiches.
Wandering around, yes. Disturbing.
Definitely...
Let's say that having a first experience here is less traumatic than having it elsewhere.
- Definitely. - It was a preparation.
- Very good. - Easy.
- You did the internship. - Good thing.
Would you do it again ?
Here, in this condition, I happen to do it again, like this, yes.
I am afraid of everything That is bigger than me.
If I were to see something moving,
Or physically see a presence...
It scares you because you believe it, because you don't understand it ?
- You can't explain it to yourself ? - I believe it.
Clearly I couldn't explain it,
Above all, I have a deep respect for what I do not know fully.
Anyone should have respect For what he does not know.
When it comes to these things,
I can't be 100% sure, but when in doubt...
- Sure. - They're fine there, that's it.
Let's also look on the bright side.
The fact that we took you there...
We did studies that, I mean...
Let's look on the bright side... (IMITATES SCREECHING)
- It was a seagull, what was it ? - Yes.
- The famous "silver lining." - Nobody brought anything with them.
We were saying that we try to see the history of a place as well,
just to document ourselves and not arrive unprepared.
And also becausethe abandoned place is fine, however you should always have a...
- If you don't know... - An idea.
If you don't know the history of the place,
you don't know how to relate With the souls that inhabit it.
- Exactly. - You must know what century they lived in.
What were their ways, So that you could relate better.
Everything requires some studying before beginning.
We do not recommend anyone to do this...
Without due precautions.
That is, with shields and equipment...
A base camp where, just in case, someone could call for help.
- We don't recommend doing it at home, of course. - Yes.
Let's emphasize this.
Don't do this at home because if you don't have the right preparation...
Is it possible to get trapped ?
- Trapped, that's right... - He could take it with him.
- It's always dangerous. - Yes.
It is a forsaken and dark place.
It is easier to enter into communication with a negative entity
Than with a positive one.
- Why do you think so ? - They have more anger.
(Alessia) Has there not been a definitive passing ?
- Correct. - A peaceful passing.
It tends to be those who perish by a traumatic or violent death
Who become trapped here.
Not he who dies in peace Or who receives a decent burial.
So the anger of the living being Lingers in that entity
And you risk carrying it around.
It is also due to the fact that, maybe,
these people who die violent deaths Who get trapped and are more...
More obvious and want maybe a contact with...
With living people ?
Maybe it is also related to the fact That their loved ones won't let them leave
because they have not passed away peacefully ?
Is it sometimes their loved ones who tend to trap these people ?
In the case of recent deaths, it is a possibility.
- But here we're talking about... - Yes, of course.
These are people who by now I don't think have any loved ones still living.
I think the loved ones are gone with them.
However what you say is correct.
Often that desire of the living
binds here the souls Of those who want to leave.
- They don't let them leave ? - Yeah.
The saddest aspect However, also more usual. - Yeah.
- What are your emotions, Enrico ? - Right now, they are so many.
I can't even tell how long we were in there
We went in around sundown
And now they just told me that it's past ten o'clock.
We were in there for four hours And it felt like ten minutes.
That's a lot of things In an unquantifiable amount of time
So I should get a hold of myself a little bit.
There were moments when I felt a sharp chill.
- I felt an electricity in the air. - Did you get scared ?
More than scared,
it's as if some parts of me that I didn't know were activated.
So I was feeling a little strange, dazed.
A little bit of tingling and shivering.
Then yes, there was the whole moment of the ghost box
With all the words, however confused they came out,
Especially when it came to me.
Maybe because I was paying more attention.
Were you able to make something out ?
- I was able to make out some comments about me. - What did they say to you ?
A woman told me that I was handsome. I thank her.
- If you are whatching me... - Your ego...
A new fan, see.
Another one, who disagreed, Who said I was narcissistic.
Then they said they were bad...
There were times when I said, "Oh my God."
- Were they bad or... - They were.
I asked them, "Are you guys bad ?" And they repeated, " Bad guys, bad guys."
- Gee ! - Yes. It was crazy ...
Jacob had told me. That they had an experience with bees.
I had a bee on my leg.
Then I found a ring in a gap ... You were explaining to me...
Yes, if you bring gifts Or if you leave something behind,
That should absolutely be circular or spherical.
It is the shapes that trap the entity.
Any other kind of gift or forgotten object
Would bind to the one who forgot it or the giver to the entity itself.
So the giver Takes the entity home and it's not nice
Since those who tend to communicate more are the bad ones and not the good ones.
Otherwise everything would be less scary.
- Do you have to leave them every time ? - No, in fact it is not recommended.
It is recommended to use only etiquette,
So you introduce yourself when you come in, as we did,
you say goodbye when you leave, thanking for the hospitality.
But it is never wise to leave stuff or take anything away.
- Have you guys ever done it ? - I'll tell you about it next time.
It wasn't nice, of course.
Why, had you forgotten some items ?
We were intimidated by the presence we found.
Did you want to appease her ?
No, we forgot something in our pockets running away.
You took it home...
That's right, for a few months it was not nice what we experienced.
You didn't know that though.
- We figured it out. - Did you not realize it then ?
We didn't realize until later.
In the meantime were strange things happening at home ?
- Exactly. - Like what ?
How can we put it...
So much bad luck all at once.
When it's like that, so many times one starts to wonder, "didn't we maybe...." And whatever.
( Enrico) This is also the reason Of that constant urge...
- To look for them. - It's true.
Hoping that nothing had fallen. "Where is my flashlight ? Who has it ?"
At one point, I thought Michael Jackson was with us.
Yes, all choreographed because you never know !
You didn't leave any objects ?
I didn't leave anything, nothing. God forbid !
He was very careful And he did very well.
He followed everything to the letter, so...
Then he immediately empathized with his fan.
Yes, I have something going on, here in Galeria.
Do you now?
Should my relationship go wrong, I know that I have a suitor here among the ruins.
However, you would have to deal With the person who called you a narcissist.
- Yes. - (Jacob) Yeah.
- I'd rather not. - (Vanessa) Yeah.
I don't think there's any risk of me coming back here anyway.
- Unless... - No, no.
Unless you do that like this, come on.
Maybe so. If you guys are there again, With Alessia waiting for me with the bonfire and all,
then maybe I would.
Let's say that, by myself, I'd rather choose other shores, other destinations.
Right, that's cool.
I would say that it was a positive first experience.
- Yes, definitely. Yes. - We did it!
- Yes we did... - We are satisfied.
You also changed your mind. You started off...
Little by little, we will start to rationalize again.
Yes, yes.
How are you coming home compared to before ?
I came here, scared to death,
and convinced that there might be things.
I definitely had my doubts about the whole thing.
Now it's as if I've added a piece
to a mosaic that I will never be able to put together
Have you unraveled a little something ?
Something though, a few more pieces of the puzzle
- Entities are not just horror movies. - Here.
- To be handled with care. - Correct.
(Narrator) In the following days,
Jacob and Vanessa cleaned up the audio of the recordings.
However, due to the nature of the content,
have decided not to release the material.