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Anger
is a blanket emotion, right?
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If anger is an umbrella,
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then under that umbrella
is hurt.
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♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Confusion.
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Disappointment.
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And a whole lot of scared.
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Because your mind goes
towards the worst, right?
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You're reading some
of these things
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and you're starting
to think like...
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"What could I have done better?"
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Like, "What could have I done
to change the, you know,
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change the outcome of this?"
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♪ (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Our first story is fascinating.
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It could be a book.
It could be a movie.
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How this happens got a lot
of people scratching their head.
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It was a nationally
televised game on ESPN
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featuring a national powerhouse,
IMG Academy,
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playing a team
called Bishop Sycamore.
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- Bishop Sycamore.
- Bishop Sycamore.
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Bishop Sycamore.
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It sounds like an old pimp.
Bishop Sycamore.
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They got on ESPN
and got their asses wiped out.
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End zone,
hauled in by Tate with one hand.
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Low throw. It's caught.
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And reaching across
the goal line, touchdown!
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Bishop Sycamore, they're a bit
of a mystery in this game.
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When did ESPN
start producing comedy?
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Get right back out!
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Get that shit out!
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Bishop Sycamore told us
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they had a number
of Division I prospects.
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Look at this shit!
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A lot of that
we could not verify.
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Reports are now claiming
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Bishop Sycamore
is not even a real high school.
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No facilities,
no building,
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kids staying in hotels.
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And they're not
actually high school players?
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How does this get on ESPN?
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How does that happen?
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There's got to be
a point now, Lugs,
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where you do worry
about health and safety.
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I already am worried about it.
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I do honestly
feel bad for them.
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For you to be able
to go through all this,
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things must be going bad
in your life.
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Governor DeWine is calling
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for an investigation
into Bishop Sycamore.
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It starts with
a coach named Roy Johnson.
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Roy Johnson
is facing a civil lawsuit
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for alleged fraud.
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Turns out
the whole thing is a scam.
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ESPN just wants the money.
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Look at them eyes, shifty.
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He looks like he up
to something shady.
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"Get that goddamn camera
off my face, man."
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The initials are BS High.
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Shut up!
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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Let's show you
where the magic happens.
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This is where
we're holding up
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for the next couple days.
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Terrified.
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Yeah, that's what Neo said.
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And look what problems
it caused him.
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- Just machines, right?
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So, I took a crash course
in body language.
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Do you want my hands
like this? Like this?
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- Like that? Like, yeah, it's...
No, man.
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No, man, 'cause, listen,
body language is so important.
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Do you realize if I sit
in a certain way,
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people are gonna think
that I don't care?
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Just be natural.
You don't have to try.
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Are you sure?
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Are you sure I look cool?
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Do I look like a con artist?
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♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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That's what I'm asking.
Do I look like a con artist?
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Or do I look like a regular,
normal person?
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Okay. Yeah. There was
a specific question in there.
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I think that Roy
is probably thrilled
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to be in a documentary.
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Sitting in front of a camera
and talking
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is probably his ideal scenario.
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Do I really want to be famous?
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Do I really want people
to see me?
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Did me wanting to be so loved
and seen
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and people like me and all that,
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that good feeling and all that,
trump everything else?
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I used to be a local
news reporter in Columbus, Ohio,
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and I was one of the first
people to cover the story.
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Roy could absolutely be the next
in a long line of people
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to fall on their own sword
on a national scale
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because he talks too much
in a documentary.
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A lot of Roy Johnson
is anecdotal, right?
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A lot of it becomes...
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legend.
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I'm a son, a brother, a nephew,
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a coach, a motivator, a father.
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Those are, like,
the serious answers.
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But for a little bit
easier answer
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that people can digest,
I always refer to...
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The A-Team.
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♪ ("THE A TEAM"
THEME MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Amy Allen. I'm Hannibal Smith.
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I understand you want
to hire the A-Team.
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I took the embodiment
of that show.
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Like I thought I was Hannibal.
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Like, literally, to the point
where I would have a cigar.
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I literally thought
I was Hannibal.
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Are you still tinkering
with miniaturized electronics?
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- Yeah.
- Then I have a plan.
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Hannibal would come up
with plans all the time.
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And then the plans
were crazy, right?
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Even though the plans
didn't necessarily work out
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the way they should,
they worked.
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I love it
when a plan comes together.
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♪ (THEME MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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Tell me
about your football experience.
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- Is that... Is that...
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Oh, buddy.
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I figured that would
be easy to talk about, football.
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Yeah, well, football
in itself is easy to talk about.
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But the courage
to do what we did
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is deep, deep, deep, deep,
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deep rooted.
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♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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I tried to walk on
at Ohio State.
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That didn't work out.
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And then I end up getting
an internship
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with the New York Jets.
And when I got that
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and got to be
around Coach Belichick,
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Bill Parcells, Leon Hess,
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I wanted to be a GM,
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I wanted
to be a general manager.
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I was fascinated with that.
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Even at that young age,
I would look at Pepper Johnson,
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Bryan Cox,
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Frost, and say,
"You guys are these gladiators,
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physical masterpieces."
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The scripture
"we were created in God's image"
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must have been thinking
about this.
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And these two old guys
over here are controlling you.
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You wanna run tonight, son,
or you wanna act
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like a... ...rabbit?
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It was amazing to watch.
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♪ (CHOIR MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Born in New York,
and I was raised in Long Island.
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Growing up, we went to a church
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on the corner
of these two streets,
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and I can hear my mom
singing right now.
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And my brother and I
would be champing at the bit
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to get out of night service
before the streetlights came on.
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So we could go play football.
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My brother is
the best football player
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that I've ever seen.
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Fast, strong, relentless.
And he was cold-blooded.
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As a big brother,
I wanted to make sure
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that I could take his talent
and put it on a bigger pedestal.
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I'm telling the little kid,
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undersized kid in New York,
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"You gonna play
for Ohio State one day."
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"Are you sure, Roy?"
"Follow me."
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How many times
I went to talk to teachers
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because they failed him,
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and then when he couldn't
play football,
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I had to go beg teachers
to get his grades up.
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So when my brother went
to Ohio State,
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I saw that high school football
changes lives
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because it provides opportunities
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to get higher education.
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When I started this whole thing,
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for me, it was an opportunity
to take it
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from my brother or two
or three kids
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to helping
an entire football team,
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an entire school.
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I had been working
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for the African
Methodist Episcopal Church
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for about three or four years,
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just doing random projects
to help.
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So, they came to me and said,
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"Hey, we're thinking
about opening a school
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called Christians of Faith
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to help young men get
an education, go to college."
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At this point, you know, working,
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years working with my brother,
getting him into college
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and getting young people
into college
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through the avenue of football,
I was like, "Hey, you know,
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I don't mind working
on this project,
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but we have to add
a football element to it."
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The first day I met Roy,
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it was after a football game.
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He just said he always wanted
to have a team.
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He wanted to impact kids.
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I had coached for a long time,
and I was like,
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"Oh, that's easy.
I can tell you how to do that."
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For me,
it was an opportunity to have
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a Christian school powerhouse.
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And what better place to do that
than Ohio?
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We talked about this,
I mean, every single day.
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I mean,
to two at night sometimes.
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And my wife is over there
and she's like,
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"Hey, man, look,
just let me know.
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You and Roy
got something going on.
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What's going on?
Is it Roy or is it Regina?"
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Tell me about
John Branham Sr.
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and his role in this process.
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- Who?
John Branham Sr.
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Who's John Branham Sr.?
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Of course, he would say that,
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because he knows
I know the beginning.
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I know every ins and outs.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
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Oh, yeah. He, um,
he was around for a few weeks.
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He was helping us out
with advice. Real smart.
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I can't say a few weeks.
That wouldn't be right.
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So... six months,
seven months maybe.
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The goal was
to get the school started
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and sports to come
in about two to three years.
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He was like,
"You're talking about
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a 150-million-dollar project.
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It takes years
to build something like this."
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The money
was supposed to come
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from people
getting insurance policies
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through the church and leaving
that money to the school.
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So, "Hey, you want to help out
the school?
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Take out a 100,000 dollar
life insurance policy.
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You can leave whatever
percentages to your family
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and then leave a certain
percentage to the school."
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So then he gives me a list of
things that we're going to need.
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And once he gave me that list,
it's just like anything else.
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Just go get it.
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♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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So I get into
my Hannibal mode,
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just putting the grind on
and getting out there.
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Kept talking to people,
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talking to people,
talking to people.
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We had people calling
from other states like,
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"Hey man, I want to coach,
I want to help you guys."
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And we hadn't started anything.
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We had got engineers
and architects
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to draw up this facility.
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And the facility had a rooftop
basketball court
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and little ponds for kids
to go fishing in.
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The idea was that
if the facility is really good,
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it'll help draw in the players.
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It would probably cost
hundreds of millions of dollars
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to do something like
what they were talking about.
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Especially to build,
like, physically build a school,
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a building, a field, like,
renovate a whole thing.
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Next thing I know,
I get a call from Roy.
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He's like, "Branham, that place
you took me to, SuperKick,
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the indoor facility,
we're going to rent that
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for the kids to practice."
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I said, "Yo, man, what kids?"
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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I go up to SuperKick
indoor facility.
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There was a bus,
like a tour bus,
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with kids getting off the bus,
coming to practice.
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And I'm sitting there like,
"What the hell?"
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This is not what we were
supposed to create.
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I was going to choke his ass.
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How can you go and coach
a team of young kids
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and you know it's not a school.
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It's my philosophy
of business is,
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do what the people
who have the money do,
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even if you don't have
the money.
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I trusted Roy all up
into the point
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where I didn't trust him.
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I'm insecure,
I'm an extremist,
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and I'm very resourceful.
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And that's a bad combination.
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I... I remember the first day
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that I learned
about COF Academy,
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which was probably the same time
I learned who Roy Johnson was.
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COF Academy was
Christians of Faith Academy,
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which was the precursor
to Bishop Sycamore.
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♪ (WHIMSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
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Ben Ferree
is a former investigator
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for the Ohio High School
Athletic Association.
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He said he began looking
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at Bishop Sycamore's
predecessor years ago.
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I worked at the Ohio High School
Athletic Association
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for eight years.
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It was my job and, uh,
I was pretty good at my job.
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So I knew a lot
about high school sports.
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The Ohio High School
Athletic Association
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is the governing body
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for high school sports
in the state of Ohio.
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Its general mission is
to have some sort of fairness
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in the competitive landscape
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to protect the players,
to protect the schools.
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I met Ben when I was
a freshman in college.
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Um, he was a year older than me,
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and he also worked
on the newspaper.
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Ben loves rules.
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He loves, like, minutia
and, like, following the rules
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and being like,
"Hey, look at this weird thing."
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He's like a little puppy
who, like, finds things,
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and then just like
dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, digs.
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It was, I think,
the summer of 2018
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and Ben was doing this job
at the OHSAA,
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where he always wound up
with weird stories.
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One day, he just sent something
to the group chat, like,
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"I have this really weird school
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that is, like,
a brand-new school
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and says they're D1
with 750 kids."
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And it was very clear, very fast
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that this was
one of those things
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that Ben was going to
sink his teeth into.
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I was intrigued by Roy, um,
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because he... he opened my mind
to what fraud could be.
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I had no idea
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the depths with which
you could get away with things.
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And his life provided
a fantastic case study
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for all the flaws
of the legal system.
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Let's go, everybody,
let's go, let's go.
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Here you go.
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Three, two, one.
Yellow, let's go.
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I met Roy at an indoor soccer
training place called SuperKick.
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- They were having a media day.
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And I get there, and it's all
just sort of, like, chaos.
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There's like,
kids running around,
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people with clipboards
and stuff,
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but there wasn't
any organization or anything.
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And there was basically
no other media there at all.
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It was pretty much just me
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and someone that they had hired
to do video for them.
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Roy was sharper than
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most of anybody I've ever met.
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He knew what to say,
how to say it.
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Um, he knew how to talk
about things
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that were way beyond me
as far as how to build a school
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and what hoops and things
you had to jump through.
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We actually met
at a Panera Bread.
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This dude had
long Adidas socks on,
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gym shorts
and a big Iron Man T-shirt.
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So, he sat down, but the moment
the guy started talking,
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we were both impressed.
We were ready to go.
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Talked for two or three hours.
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Really sold us on the vision.
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We had the proposal ready
and he saw the number on it.
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Didn't even flinch about it.
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He's like,
"I'm going to go to the bank.
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I'm gonna get you guys
squared away
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within the next month.
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No problem."
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Anthony and I walk out
into the parking lot,
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00:15:37,854 --> 00:15:39,105
and we just closed
the biggest deal
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00:15:39,105 --> 00:15:40,273
of our life, man.
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The plan was to have them
get as much film as they could,
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and then put it all together
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and see
what we could do with it.
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He... He said,
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"You're going
to get us on Netflix."
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I was like...
"All right."
361
00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:51,785
Yeah, right?
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Maybe one day get it on HBO
or Netflix or whatever, right?
363
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It seemed like we were gonna
kind of build...
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You know, you don't want to say
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the communications department
of the school,
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00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:01,836
but it kind of was that.
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00:16:01,836 --> 00:16:03,797
Um, kind of be
the creative directors
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00:16:03,797 --> 00:16:05,924
of the school
that's about to start,
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that's supposed to be
an IMG Academy
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of Columbus, Ohio.
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This here
is a brotherhood.
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♪ (INTENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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We hold ourselves
to a higher standard
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than anyone
could ever set for us.
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Work harder. Get stronger.
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00:16:22,023 --> 00:16:25,068
Be smarter. Play faster.
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- Dream bigger.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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IMG Academy
is a school that was built
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to be an academic arm
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of what is basically
a sports academy.
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They are probably the most
known school in the country
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when it comes to athletics.
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They have
the best facilities,
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the best schedule,
the best trainers,
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always one
of the top-ranked teams,
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00:16:46,965 --> 00:16:49,217
gets kids to college,
gets kids to the NFL.
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00:16:49,217 --> 00:16:52,470
Nothing about IMG
seems like a high school.
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00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:54,472
It seems like
a professional team.
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00:16:54,472 --> 00:16:56,433
Like, if you look
at the facilities they have,
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they're as good as any college
or pro team.
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They're kind
of like the establishment,
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00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:03,523
and they're what COF Academy
was essentially striving to be.
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There might not be
that many schools in America
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that are as high profile
as IMG Academy,
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but the same concept applies
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to dozens or hundreds of schools
around the country.
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All of these schools exist
for the same purpose,
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which is to play football.
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And education,
or taking care of the kids,
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00:17:21,958 --> 00:17:23,918
or any of that stuff,
is secondary.
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00:17:23,918 --> 00:17:26,504
I think Roy looked
at IMG Academy
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00:17:26,504 --> 00:17:28,840
and he said,
"Why can't I do that?"
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00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,926
But with kids
from bad backgrounds.
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00:17:31,926 --> 00:17:35,138
With COF Academy,
their target demo
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was athletes
who were good at football
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00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:40,518
or thought they were good
at football,
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but were not going on
to play at the next level.
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Be that because they didn't have
the grades to get into college
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or didn't have the grades
to academically qualify,
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or be that maybe
they didn't have any offers
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to play at the next level
but felt that they should.
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And that's really the dream
that they sold them on,
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was, "We will get you
into a D1 school."
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00:17:57,994 --> 00:17:59,204
"If you come here,
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we're going to get you
into big schools.
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00:18:00,997 --> 00:18:02,374
We're going to bring in
top talent.
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00:18:02,374 --> 00:18:04,250
We're going to bring
in the D1 talent.
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00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:06,211
We're going to rival IMG."
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So, when people say D1
or Division I,
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they're really talking
about the highest levels
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00:18:12,258 --> 00:18:13,551
of college football.
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These are the schools
that you see on television.
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00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:17,472
That's where people see you.
425
00:18:17,472 --> 00:18:19,599
That's where you get measures
of fame and celeb.
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00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,268
If Christians of Faith
does begin placing
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00:18:22,268 --> 00:18:26,773
multiple kids in D1 programs,
then Roy all of a sudden
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00:18:26,773 --> 00:18:29,067
becomes a nationally known
high school coach,
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00:18:29,067 --> 00:18:30,902
that you go play football
for Roy Johnson,
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00:18:30,902 --> 00:18:34,114
he can get you into D1 programs.
That would have a lot of cachet.
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00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:36,366
Go.
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00:18:36,366 --> 00:18:39,077
So, I walked around,
talked to other coaches
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00:18:39,077 --> 00:18:41,246
like, "Y'all do understand
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00:18:41,246 --> 00:18:44,124
there is no school."
435
00:18:44,124 --> 00:18:46,251
He's like, "Oh, man, you know,
you gotta--
436
00:18:46,251 --> 00:18:47,544
You got to let that go."
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00:18:47,544 --> 00:18:49,254
I said, "I'm gonna tell you
what I'm gonna let go.
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00:18:49,254 --> 00:18:51,339
I'm gonna let go of his neck
after I grab it."
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00:18:51,339 --> 00:18:53,466
So he left, and then
440
00:18:53,466 --> 00:18:56,052
the other people working
on the projects, they left.
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00:18:56,052 --> 00:18:57,804
And then it was just
these couple
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00:18:57,804 --> 00:18:59,055
of parents and myself.
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00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:01,266
- ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
The real shocker came
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00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:03,643
when the AME Church
issued their statement,
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00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:07,397
saying they had no involvement
with COF Academy.
446
00:19:07,397 --> 00:19:09,482
It was poor communication
between that bishop,
447
00:19:09,482 --> 00:19:11,484
that administration,
and the pastors.
448
00:19:11,484 --> 00:19:13,236
He just didn't have the heart
to be like,
449
00:19:13,236 --> 00:19:14,529
"Yeah, I said it was okay."
450
00:19:14,529 --> 00:19:16,322
That was really something
we had not even considered
451
00:19:16,322 --> 00:19:18,074
he could possibly
be lying about.
452
00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:19,117
But as it turns out,
453
00:19:19,117 --> 00:19:20,785
there's nothing
Roy won't lie about.
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00:19:21,202 --> 00:19:22,620
So...
455
00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:24,748
they pull out and...
456
00:19:24,748 --> 00:19:27,375
why don't you guys
stop COF at that point?
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00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:31,254
I couldn't.
458
00:19:32,589 --> 00:19:34,632
This is the part I go back
and forth on all the time
459
00:19:34,632 --> 00:19:37,218
between whether it's ego
or whether it's heart.
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00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:38,345
♪ (LIGHTHEARTED MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
461
00:19:38,345 --> 00:19:40,597
See, I knew the kids.
I knew them.
462
00:19:40,597 --> 00:19:42,307
I knew the neighborhoods
they were from.
463
00:19:42,307 --> 00:19:44,142
I knew some
of them were homeless.
464
00:19:44,142 --> 00:19:46,644
Now they had nowhere to go.
465
00:19:46,644 --> 00:19:49,731
What was I supposed to do?
Just leave them?
466
00:19:49,731 --> 00:19:53,318
Go back to these 50 kids
and say, "Let me do you
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00:19:53,318 --> 00:19:56,321
like everybody else
that did you up to this point."
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00:19:56,321 --> 00:19:58,073
Do you think
it was irresponsible
469
00:19:58,073 --> 00:19:59,699
to keep pushing
the program forward
470
00:19:59,699 --> 00:20:01,034
even though
you didn't have the money?
471
00:20:01,034 --> 00:20:03,495
- Yes.
Would you do it again?
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00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:05,580
Yes.
473
00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:07,374
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
474
00:20:07,374 --> 00:20:09,000
I'm Magneto.
These are my mutants
475
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,335
and I'm fighting for 'em.
476
00:20:10,335 --> 00:20:12,337
Any means necessary,
I'm gonna get this done.
477
00:20:12,337 --> 00:20:14,464
I kept the season afloat
on my own.
478
00:20:15,465 --> 00:20:17,550
I've seen some
of the best football.
479
00:20:18,343 --> 00:20:20,178
We played in a gorgeous stadium.
480
00:20:21,304 --> 00:20:22,764
This team flew all the way
to Texas.
481
00:20:22,764 --> 00:20:25,600
Don't walk past
the time if you don't mean it!
482
00:20:26,768 --> 00:20:28,019
COF flew to Texas.
483
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,064
We played 11 games
484
00:20:31,064 --> 00:20:32,857
with no financial backing.
485
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,612
This is what let us know
that the dream was possible.
486
00:20:37,612 --> 00:20:40,365
This is what let us know
that it could work.
487
00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:41,783
We failed as COF.
488
00:20:41,783 --> 00:20:43,993
The church pulled out,
it was a failure.
489
00:20:45,203 --> 00:20:46,538
And so let's get back
to the ground.
490
00:20:46,538 --> 00:20:48,456
Let's find out what we didn't
do right on the first time.
491
00:20:48,456 --> 00:20:50,250
Let's get back at it.
Let's get on the schedule.
492
00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:51,626
Let's get the better kids,
let's keep going,
493
00:20:51,626 --> 00:20:54,129
and let's push
and get this done.
494
00:20:54,129 --> 00:20:56,214
So we started working
on Bishop Sycamore.
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00:20:56,214 --> 00:20:57,757
♪ ("STEP HARDER" BY
RXALU LOADED PLAYING) ♪
496
00:20:57,757 --> 00:20:59,676
♪ Can't nobody tell me nothing
They know I'm built for this ♪
497
00:20:59,676 --> 00:21:02,804
♪ Daddy counting dirty money
Hoes think I'm filthy rich ♪
498
00:21:02,804 --> 00:21:06,016
Andre Peterson was one
of the coaches at COF Academy.
499
00:21:06,016 --> 00:21:07,600
His son was in the program.
500
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,520
He was a prominent part
of what became Bishop Sycamore.
501
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:11,771
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
502
00:21:11,771 --> 00:21:13,314
If he had some
Infinity Stones and a gauntlet,
503
00:21:13,314 --> 00:21:15,400
you would think he was Thanos.
504
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:16,943
He's like the Black Thanos.
505
00:21:17,944 --> 00:21:19,362
I was passionate about it
506
00:21:19,362 --> 00:21:20,864
because I believed
in the vision.
507
00:21:20,864 --> 00:21:21,823
I saw the desire,
508
00:21:21,823 --> 00:21:23,783
but most importantly,
I saw the need.
509
00:21:23,783 --> 00:21:26,286
My dream
for Bishop Sycamore was
510
00:21:26,286 --> 00:21:27,829
a place for young men to be able
511
00:21:27,829 --> 00:21:29,664
to come and get
the help that they needed.
512
00:21:29,664 --> 00:21:30,999
Christians of Faith
and Bishop Sycamore
513
00:21:30,999 --> 00:21:33,418
should absolutely
be considered the same school.
514
00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:35,295
For all intents and purposes,
they were.
515
00:21:35,295 --> 00:21:36,796
It was run
by the exact same people.
516
00:21:36,796 --> 00:21:38,548
In their first year
of existence,
517
00:21:38,548 --> 00:21:42,385
Bishop Sycamore was wearing
COF Academy's equipment.
518
00:21:43,303 --> 00:21:46,139
Because COF ended so badly,
519
00:21:46,139 --> 00:21:48,808
I kicked up the notch
on recruitment.
520
00:21:48,808 --> 00:21:50,435
When we looked
at the young men
521
00:21:50,435 --> 00:21:52,645
that we were bringing
into the program,
522
00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:54,981
it was something
in their life that wasn't right.
523
00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:57,233
They had an unhealthy home life.
524
00:21:57,233 --> 00:21:58,818
They had bad grades.
525
00:21:58,818 --> 00:22:01,279
They needed more film
because they didn't play a lot.
526
00:22:02,447 --> 00:22:05,492
The end goal was
they wanted to go to college.
527
00:22:13,792 --> 00:22:15,085
Since I was a kid,
528
00:22:15,085 --> 00:22:16,419
my dad's never been there.
529
00:22:16,419 --> 00:22:19,839
You know, he's never came
to a football game of mine.
530
00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:24,511
I'm a big mama's boy,
but I always wanted my father.
531
00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:26,137
So, you know, it was hard.
532
00:22:26,137 --> 00:22:27,305
♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
533
00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:29,057
I kept it
under my skin.
534
00:22:29,057 --> 00:22:31,559
I didn't really say anything.
But as I got older,
535
00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:32,936
I always wanted my dad,
you know?
536
00:22:32,936 --> 00:22:35,230
And that's where
it started playing a big toll
537
00:22:35,230 --> 00:22:37,148
on just me mentally.
538
00:22:42,654 --> 00:22:44,489
I connect with the game
of football.
539
00:22:45,365 --> 00:22:48,493
It brings heart, drive, dedication,
540
00:22:49,077 --> 00:22:50,495
you know, hunger.
541
00:22:50,495 --> 00:22:52,789
If you don't have hunger,
you can't become a man.
542
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:55,959
You got to eat in this world.
So I'm gonna eat.
543
00:22:55,959 --> 00:22:59,671
Where I'm from,
opportunities don't come around.
544
00:22:59,671 --> 00:23:02,924
So when you have an opportunity,
you got to capitalize on it.
545
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:06,177
And that's what
I was trying to do.
546
00:23:08,513 --> 00:23:10,390
Coming
from a broken household,
547
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:12,183
getting evicted back-to-back,
548
00:23:12,183 --> 00:23:15,687
and so football is just a way
to help get my mind away
549
00:23:15,687 --> 00:23:17,814
from everything
that was going on at home.
550
00:23:17,814 --> 00:23:19,441
When I was seven years old,
551
00:23:19,441 --> 00:23:21,484
my dad caught a murder charge,
or homicide.
552
00:23:22,569 --> 00:23:23,737
So football was
553
00:23:23,737 --> 00:23:27,615
the only way that I had,
a... a male support.
554
00:23:27,615 --> 00:23:29,367
That was where
I was getting disciplined.
555
00:23:29,367 --> 00:23:31,536
It was always
that family effect.
556
00:23:33,872 --> 00:23:35,457
At first
when Roy hit me,
557
00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:37,125
I was in need of an opportunity.
558
00:23:37,125 --> 00:23:38,543
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
559
00:23:38,543 --> 00:23:39,919
It was COVID.
560
00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,005
I was, you know, just sitting
on the couch, working out,
561
00:23:42,005 --> 00:23:44,466
waiting on the gyms closed
to open up.
562
00:23:44,466 --> 00:23:46,301
They seen me on the QB list,
563
00:23:46,301 --> 00:23:47,635
they've seen
that I was top ranked.
564
00:23:47,635 --> 00:23:49,721
They said,
"We a up-and-coming program."
565
00:23:49,721 --> 00:23:52,307
Got to explaining the teams
they were playing, IMG,
566
00:23:52,307 --> 00:23:53,516
Saint Francis.
567
00:23:53,516 --> 00:23:56,144
"Okay, you know, Coach,
talk to me, you know.
568
00:23:56,144 --> 00:23:57,354
You know, you sound nice,
569
00:23:57,354 --> 00:23:58,563
all right? Like,
what-- what's up?"
570
00:23:58,563 --> 00:23:59,856
When you're realizing
571
00:23:59,856 --> 00:24:01,733
that something that you just put
a lot of your life
572
00:24:01,733 --> 00:24:03,818
in that was supposed
to be your way out is over,
573
00:24:03,818 --> 00:24:05,570
and someone comes along
and tells you,
574
00:24:05,570 --> 00:24:07,655
"No, it's not over.
In fact, it's just starting.
575
00:24:07,655 --> 00:24:09,491
You're going to be playing
in Alabama."
576
00:24:09,491 --> 00:24:11,534
A lot of people would--
would buy into that.
577
00:24:11,534 --> 00:24:16,331
They dream of being in the NFL.
They dream of being rich.
578
00:24:16,331 --> 00:24:20,001
They dream of being famous.
And you sell them the idea that,
579
00:24:20,001 --> 00:24:23,380
"Hey, I'm going to get you
to these places
580
00:24:23,380 --> 00:24:25,924
that will give you the chance
to get there.
581
00:24:25,924 --> 00:24:28,593
All you have to do
is work hard."
582
00:24:28,593 --> 00:24:29,761
I got promised
583
00:24:29,761 --> 00:24:33,223
that I'd be
at a big-time school. I'd be D1.
584
00:24:33,223 --> 00:24:34,391
Basically, I got promised
585
00:24:34,391 --> 00:24:36,851
everything you will want
to hear.
586
00:24:36,851 --> 00:24:38,395
Well,
he called my mom.
587
00:24:38,395 --> 00:24:39,604
He was telling her,
"Oh, we're supposed
588
00:24:39,604 --> 00:24:41,856
to be playing
a big-time school called IMG."
589
00:24:41,856 --> 00:24:44,275
I took the phone, I was like,
"Yo, IMG is a dream school,
590
00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:46,986
I always wanted to play
against them or play with them."
591
00:24:46,986 --> 00:24:48,613
So, I went to learn,
592
00:24:48,613 --> 00:24:51,282
to better myself
and to play football,
593
00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:53,993
to get a... a scholarship,
to go D1.
594
00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:56,996
If you go to
Bishop Sycamore's Twitter page,
595
00:24:56,996 --> 00:25:00,792
it is literally just hundreds
of messages tweeting at players,
596
00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:04,462
"Hey, DM me. Hey, DM me.
Hey, DM me."
597
00:25:04,462 --> 00:25:05,839
The dream that they sold them
on was,
598
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:08,508
"We will get you
into a D1 school."
599
00:25:08,508 --> 00:25:10,260
He was saying, uh,
600
00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:12,929
"You just come and play ball...
601
00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:15,890
and we're going
to get you to school."
602
00:25:16,641 --> 00:25:18,309
He was just selling me a dream.
603
00:25:18,309 --> 00:25:21,271
At the time, you know,
I was in a lost space.
604
00:25:21,271 --> 00:25:24,649
So I took it as a chance for me
to start something new.
605
00:25:24,649 --> 00:25:25,984
I looked at my mom,
606
00:25:25,984 --> 00:25:27,819
I said, "It's gonna be
the biggest opportunity.
607
00:25:27,819 --> 00:25:30,238
You know, it's going to be
life-changing for me."
608
00:25:30,238 --> 00:25:32,490
Coach Roy DM'd me on Instagram.
609
00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:33,825
"Hey, what's up, bro?
610
00:25:33,825 --> 00:25:35,744
I want to fly you out
and let you come to our school.
611
00:25:35,744 --> 00:25:38,329
This school I'm building up,
all-Black coaching staff,
612
00:25:38,329 --> 00:25:39,497
I want to build it up."
613
00:25:39,497 --> 00:25:40,999
I'm like,
"All right. Bet, bet, bet."
614
00:25:40,999 --> 00:25:43,168
You know, it sounds
like a fairytale story.
615
00:25:43,168 --> 00:25:45,587
Damn, I got this opportunity
616
00:25:45,587 --> 00:25:48,465
and I don't have nothing else.
I'm just home.
617
00:25:48,465 --> 00:25:51,634
So this is a time for me
to like, potentially get
618
00:25:51,634 --> 00:25:52,886
a scholarship somewhere,
619
00:25:52,886 --> 00:25:54,220
because, man,
where we come from,
620
00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:55,138
our parents don't have money
621
00:25:55,138 --> 00:25:57,557
to pay for school,
no big-time university.
622
00:25:57,557 --> 00:25:59,434
I'm gonna get y'all
the opportunity to get filmed.
623
00:25:59,434 --> 00:26:00,560
I'm gonna get y'all
the opportunity
624
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,686
to get your grades up.
625
00:26:01,686 --> 00:26:02,854
I'm gonna get y'all
the opportunity
626
00:26:02,854 --> 00:26:05,106
to travel around the country
and play football.
627
00:26:05,106 --> 00:26:07,150
What they told me was that
628
00:26:07,150 --> 00:26:08,943
they would be able to help me
629
00:26:08,943 --> 00:26:12,155
get my ACT score up
as well as get extra tape
630
00:26:12,155 --> 00:26:13,698
to be able to attend college.
631
00:26:13,698 --> 00:26:16,242
That dream would be
incredibly powerful,
632
00:26:16,242 --> 00:26:17,702
um, for those kids.
633
00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:19,537
If you are maybe not good
at school,
634
00:26:19,537 --> 00:26:21,831
you're not-- just not
that great at academics,
635
00:26:21,831 --> 00:26:24,542
or maybe you are
but you can't afford college.
636
00:26:24,542 --> 00:26:27,128
Or maybe you just come
from a rundown area
637
00:26:27,128 --> 00:26:30,799
where college
is not a likely option for you,
638
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,592
sports is the golden ticket.
639
00:26:32,592 --> 00:26:34,386
Coach Roy
had it down pat.
640
00:26:34,386 --> 00:26:36,054
Flew me out. I'm in first-class.
641
00:26:36,054 --> 00:26:37,514
He picked me up
in this nice car.
642
00:26:37,514 --> 00:26:40,392
We go eat in a nice restaurant.
I'm like, "Man, this the life."
643
00:26:40,392 --> 00:26:43,561
I'm seeing facilities,
I'm seeing athletic trainers,
644
00:26:43,561 --> 00:26:46,231
turf fields, jerseys,
other players.
645
00:26:46,231 --> 00:26:48,525
Man, like this program
is finna be lit.
646
00:26:48,525 --> 00:26:51,903
Like, we finna--
We finna tear some people up.
647
00:26:51,903 --> 00:26:55,073
Come on, come on,
come on. Go, go, go.
648
00:26:55,073 --> 00:26:57,534
I used to drive around
the neighborhoods to find kids.
649
00:26:57,534 --> 00:26:58,910
I would just go
into neighborhoods
650
00:26:58,910 --> 00:27:00,495
and I'd look for what
was familiar for me, right.
651
00:27:00,495 --> 00:27:03,248
I need two telephone poles,
a bunch kids doing football.
652
00:27:03,248 --> 00:27:05,959
- Let's go recruit.
653
00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:08,086
Hip-hop was so influential
654
00:27:08,086 --> 00:27:11,923
on-- on-- on my pitch
to talk to kids that, literally,
655
00:27:11,923 --> 00:27:13,967
I would talk to them
about recruiting football
656
00:27:13,967 --> 00:27:16,553
and I would use
Suge Knight's line,
657
00:27:16,553 --> 00:27:18,930
because of what he said
about Bad Boy.
658
00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:20,849
Any artist out there wants
to be an artist
659
00:27:20,849 --> 00:27:22,642
and wanna stay a star...
660
00:27:22,642 --> 00:27:24,269
You want to go to college?
661
00:27:24,269 --> 00:27:27,063
If you don't want your coach
all up on your Twitter...
662
00:27:27,063 --> 00:27:29,232
...and don't have to worry about
the executive producer
663
00:27:29,232 --> 00:27:31,401
trying to be all in the video...
664
00:27:31,401 --> 00:27:32,444
On your Instagram.
665
00:27:32,444 --> 00:27:33,695
All on the record...
666
00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:34,946
Talking about
how he made you hot.
667
00:27:34,946 --> 00:27:36,322
- Come to Death Row.
668
00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:38,116
Come to Bishop Sycamore.
669
00:27:38,116 --> 00:27:40,952
I literally took that
from Suge.
670
00:27:40,952 --> 00:27:44,956
And I literally applied it
to these kids.
671
00:27:44,956 --> 00:27:46,249
♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
672
00:27:46,249 --> 00:27:47,667
I'm loving what I'm hearing.
673
00:27:47,667 --> 00:27:50,003
"All right. Let me get back
to you, Coach."
674
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,464
Hey, come on, Ma.
675
00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:55,967
He was all excited.
676
00:27:55,967 --> 00:27:58,303
He got off the phone,
had me talk to Roy
677
00:27:58,303 --> 00:27:59,387
and they told me,
678
00:27:59,387 --> 00:28:02,474
"Hey, he's going to be put up
in a-- an apartment.
679
00:28:02,474 --> 00:28:03,850
We're going to take care
of him."
680
00:28:03,850 --> 00:28:05,477
I was focused
on the school as well,
681
00:28:05,477 --> 00:28:08,980
because he only had
two credits left to graduate.
682
00:28:08,980 --> 00:28:10,231
So I was super excited.
683
00:28:10,231 --> 00:28:13,818
I was ready for him to go
on to the next chapter.
684
00:28:14,819 --> 00:28:17,322
Where there's no vision,
the people perish.
685
00:28:17,322 --> 00:28:18,823
You know what that means?
686
00:28:19,574 --> 00:28:20,992
You have no idea?
687
00:28:23,787 --> 00:28:25,038
There's no plan, this--
688
00:28:25,038 --> 00:28:27,999
If you don't have the vision,
you'll perish.
689
00:28:27,999 --> 00:28:30,794
My first impression of Roy,
um, awesome guy.
690
00:28:30,794 --> 00:28:32,128
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
691
00:28:32,128 --> 00:28:33,838
He knew how to talk,
692
00:28:33,838 --> 00:28:34,964
made you feel comfortable.
693
00:28:34,964 --> 00:28:37,634
So he was a cool dude,
most definitely.
694
00:28:37,634 --> 00:28:39,844
I looked up to him
because I felt like he was
695
00:28:39,844 --> 00:28:44,432
a Black man in America
actually trying a positive way.
696
00:28:44,432 --> 00:28:47,352
He showed me enough to where
I knew how to trust him.
697
00:28:47,352 --> 00:28:49,187
Like, I can trust a coach
where they come in clutch.
698
00:28:49,187 --> 00:28:51,314
Like a-- It was like having
an uncle on the field with you.
699
00:28:51,314 --> 00:28:53,233
Like that--
like that big cool uncle.
700
00:28:53,233 --> 00:28:55,568
It's like, he was just like
one of us.
701
00:28:55,568 --> 00:28:57,320
Talk
about your coaching style.
702
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:58,196
Hold on a second.
703
00:28:58,196 --> 00:28:59,864
Did you already speak
to players?
704
00:28:59,864 --> 00:29:02,200
Or am I getting the first shot
to explain me as a coach?
705
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,868
No, you...
you get the first shot.
706
00:29:03,868 --> 00:29:05,245
Oh, I get the first shot, man.
I'm just...
707
00:29:05,245 --> 00:29:07,038
I'm an understanding coach,
who, uh,
708
00:29:07,038 --> 00:29:11,710
was out there embracing...
Um...
709
00:29:11,710 --> 00:29:13,003
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
710
00:29:13,003 --> 00:29:14,713
My style as a coach,
I think I'm creative.
711
00:29:14,713 --> 00:29:17,257
♪ You rollin' with me ♪
712
00:29:17,257 --> 00:29:18,216
I'm passionate.
713
00:29:18,216 --> 00:29:20,468
Go ahead,
go ahead. Yeah.
714
00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:23,054
I could tell you some stories
that you would never believe...
715
00:29:24,681 --> 00:29:28,518
...but I literally would say
whatever I needed to say
716
00:29:28,518 --> 00:29:30,228
to pull that dog up out you.
717
00:29:31,354 --> 00:29:32,772
Anything.
718
00:29:32,772 --> 00:29:34,733
What kind
of coach was Roy?
719
00:29:34,733 --> 00:29:36,026
Um...
720
00:29:39,112 --> 00:29:42,198
Do you feel like Roy
was like an actual coach?
721
00:29:45,577 --> 00:29:49,372
I mean-- Okay.
So my opinion of Roy is like...
722
00:29:50,415 --> 00:29:53,626
I've done yelled, scream, motivate,
723
00:29:53,626 --> 00:29:56,421
pull, tugged, hugged.
724
00:29:56,421 --> 00:29:59,299
Made fun of kids,
made fun of their situations.
725
00:30:00,258 --> 00:30:01,301
Roy is...
726
00:30:02,594 --> 00:30:04,471
not a coach.
727
00:30:04,471 --> 00:30:05,889
♪ (DUBIOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
728
00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:09,559
It is a law that if you coach
interscholastic activities
729
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:10,852
in the state of Ohio,
730
00:30:10,852 --> 00:30:13,271
you have to have what's called
a pupil activity permit.
731
00:30:13,271 --> 00:30:16,483
Uh, it ensures that you're safe
to be around kids
732
00:30:16,483 --> 00:30:17,734
by having a background check.
733
00:30:17,734 --> 00:30:20,070
Roy Johnson did not have
one of those permits,
734
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:22,280
nor did he even ever apply
for one.
735
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,158
We have no coach
and we have no film sessions.
736
00:30:25,158 --> 00:30:26,951
We didn't really have no plays.
737
00:30:26,951 --> 00:30:29,913
In terms of the playbook...
738
00:30:29,913 --> 00:30:31,331
Yeah, one of them stupid kids
said--
739
00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:33,708
One of those young men
that I like, they was like,
740
00:30:33,708 --> 00:30:35,919
"We got it off Madden."
741
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:37,504
Back to throw.
742
00:30:37,504 --> 00:30:40,757
And he can't get a throw off.
He's taken down!
743
00:30:40,757 --> 00:30:41,758
I was like...
744
00:30:41,758 --> 00:30:43,677
Well, one, I wasn't
the offensive coordinator,
745
00:30:43,677 --> 00:30:45,011
so, no,
I didn't get it off Madden.
746
00:30:45,011 --> 00:30:46,846
Like, once we've seen
that he didn't care,
747
00:30:46,846 --> 00:30:48,139
just a bunch of teenagers, like,
748
00:30:48,139 --> 00:30:50,016
you think we gonna care
that you're not making us run?
749
00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:52,936
Oh, nobody's going to say,
"Man, make us run." Like, we--
750
00:30:52,936 --> 00:30:54,187
You know, at the time,
751
00:30:54,187 --> 00:30:55,605
that would've been
something that someone
752
00:30:55,605 --> 00:30:56,690
should've stepped up and said,
753
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:57,982
"We need to have
this type of structure."
754
00:30:57,982 --> 00:30:59,776
But like, he doesn't--
he doesn't have any structure.
755
00:30:59,776 --> 00:31:02,028
He's one--
He's real cool, laid-back.
756
00:31:02,821 --> 00:31:04,072
But at the end of the day,
757
00:31:04,072 --> 00:31:06,783
he's still going to be
about money at all times.
758
00:31:06,783 --> 00:31:09,411
I never thought that I'd be
759
00:31:09,411 --> 00:31:10,954
in a situation where...
760
00:31:13,373 --> 00:31:17,669
I, uh, would have enough money
to rent an entire hotel.
761
00:31:19,087 --> 00:31:22,507
As I dug into the case, I found
762
00:31:22,507 --> 00:31:25,468
multiple unpaid parking tickets,
763
00:31:25,468 --> 00:31:27,095
unpaid court costs,
764
00:31:27,095 --> 00:31:30,473
unpaid business loans,
unpaid tax liens.
765
00:31:30,473 --> 00:31:34,811
Not a guy that really cares
if someone's out to get him.
766
00:31:34,811 --> 00:31:37,355
I don't feel like I went into
any situation thinking like,
767
00:31:37,355 --> 00:31:39,065
"Oh, I'm just not going
to pay it
768
00:31:39,065 --> 00:31:40,859
just because
I don't want to pay it."
769
00:31:40,859 --> 00:31:42,110
I think I went
into the situation,
770
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:43,278
like, "Okay, I can swing it,
771
00:31:43,278 --> 00:31:45,030
I can get it together,"
and then didn't pay it
772
00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:46,656
because life happened
for whatever reason.
773
00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:49,034
Roy went
to a paintball park
774
00:31:49,034 --> 00:31:53,288
and left them a credit card,
and said,
775
00:31:53,288 --> 00:31:55,373
"The person responsible
for this credit card
776
00:31:55,373 --> 00:31:57,542
will come in
to settle up our tab."
777
00:31:57,542 --> 00:31:59,544
Then they left.
778
00:31:59,544 --> 00:32:01,713
And the paintball company
sort of waited and waited
779
00:32:01,713 --> 00:32:02,797
and no one showed up.
780
00:32:02,797 --> 00:32:06,217
When they ran the card,
it bounced. It declined.
781
00:32:06,217 --> 00:32:09,929
I just don't care
to handle this small problem.
782
00:32:09,929 --> 00:32:11,514
On my list of things
to take care of,
783
00:32:11,514 --> 00:32:14,017
a 300 dollar
paintball bill wasn't it.
784
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,188
We get a comment
on one of our Instagram posts
785
00:32:18,188 --> 00:32:20,106
from that paintball park,
786
00:32:20,106 --> 00:32:23,193
saying, "It's fucked up
of you guys not to pay us."
787
00:32:23,193 --> 00:32:24,944
Roy just said,
"Don't answer that."
788
00:32:24,944 --> 00:32:27,447
Yeah, he said,
"Any bad press you get,
789
00:32:27,447 --> 00:32:28,573
just don't answer them.
790
00:32:28,573 --> 00:32:31,034
We want all this to be positive
and, you know..."
791
00:32:31,034 --> 00:32:33,119
Obviously, a positive narrative.
792
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,205
It's just what the man does.
793
00:32:35,205 --> 00:32:37,540
Probably a six
or seven-month period
794
00:32:37,540 --> 00:32:39,542
that we were involved
with COF Academy,
795
00:32:39,542 --> 00:32:43,088
we probably made 50 or 60 bucks
just through gas money.
796
00:32:43,088 --> 00:32:44,631
- We split 60 dollars.
- Yeah.
797
00:32:44,631 --> 00:32:46,049
So 30 each.
798
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:48,843
For gas.
799
00:32:48,843 --> 00:32:51,096
That's beyond--
That's a friendship,
800
00:32:51,096 --> 00:32:52,347
that's beyond business.
801
00:32:52,347 --> 00:32:54,432
Those guys, like,
they're my friends.
802
00:32:54,432 --> 00:32:55,725
Like, I know them.
803
00:32:55,725 --> 00:32:57,727
I'm sorry.
804
00:32:58,144 --> 00:32:59,270
Life happens.
805
00:32:59,270 --> 00:33:00,438
They're going to get paid by me
806
00:33:00,438 --> 00:33:02,107
when I get money
together to move on.
807
00:33:02,107 --> 00:33:03,441
He was like, "You know, JD,
808
00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:05,193
I need you to go to this hotel
for tonight.
809
00:33:05,193 --> 00:33:06,611
And we're going
to get everything situated
810
00:33:06,611 --> 00:33:08,238
in the morning." Easy, bet.
811
00:33:08,238 --> 00:33:10,615
The hotel was only
like 32 dollars a night.
812
00:33:10,615 --> 00:33:11,991
And keep that fact now.
813
00:33:11,991 --> 00:33:13,660
First day we there...
814
00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:14,786
Boom, boom, boom!
815
00:33:14,786 --> 00:33:16,162
It was the lady from downstairs,
816
00:33:16,162 --> 00:33:17,288
the hotel lady,
and she was like,
817
00:33:17,288 --> 00:33:18,998
"Can you tell Roy
to come pay me?"
818
00:33:18,998 --> 00:33:20,792
And it's like, man,
like I'm seeing
819
00:33:20,792 --> 00:33:22,085
they're not paying bills.
820
00:33:22,085 --> 00:33:24,671
They say, "All right,
if you need ten to 15 rooms,
821
00:33:24,671 --> 00:33:28,508
you can pay it
in either net 30, 60, or 90."
822
00:33:28,508 --> 00:33:31,136
So I was like,
"I can get this hotel room
823
00:33:31,136 --> 00:33:36,307
and pay it in 90 days?" Shit.
824
00:33:36,307 --> 00:33:37,976
What would you think
I was gonna do?
825
00:33:37,976 --> 00:33:39,519
They offered me credit
and I took it.
826
00:33:40,437 --> 00:33:41,813
To my knowledge,
827
00:33:41,813 --> 00:33:46,234
Roy has... ...at least
a dozen lawsuits against him.
828
00:33:46,234 --> 00:33:47,360
♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
829
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,070
Obviously, you've had...
830
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:50,363
You've had a few lawsuits, right?
831
00:33:50,363 --> 00:33:51,698
Is that fair to say?
Over the years?
832
00:33:51,698 --> 00:33:53,324
Yeah, I've had a few lawsuits
over the years.
833
00:33:53,324 --> 00:33:55,577
I think that's fair to say.
The ones that you looked up.
834
00:33:56,619 --> 00:33:58,580
How many
do you reckon you had?
835
00:33:58,580 --> 00:33:59,622
How many did you count?
836
00:33:59,622 --> 00:34:03,835
Um... Over 30.
- Thirty lawsuits?
837
00:34:03,835 --> 00:34:05,337
Yeah,
you've had over 30.
838
00:34:05,337 --> 00:34:07,297
Um, I mean, it's pretty wild.
839
00:34:07,297 --> 00:34:09,466
How come you've had
so many lawsuits?
840
00:34:10,508 --> 00:34:12,010
Because I didn't pay the bills.
841
00:34:12,010 --> 00:34:13,303
Why didn't you pay
the bills?
842
00:34:13,303 --> 00:34:15,597
I don't know. Might've been
I didn't have the money.
843
00:34:15,597 --> 00:34:17,182
Didn't care.
844
00:34:17,182 --> 00:34:19,559
Lazy, arrogance.
There's a lot that goes into it.
845
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,811
I would literally have
to look at all 30 lawsuits
846
00:34:21,811 --> 00:34:23,646
and look down and look at 'em.
847
00:34:23,646 --> 00:34:25,357
What does it feel like
to be a co--
848
00:34:25,357 --> 00:34:26,775
Well, actually,
are you a con man?
849
00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:31,905
No, that's not, like, my trade
or profession.
850
00:34:31,905 --> 00:34:35,658
Okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm--
No, you know, I'm dodging it.
851
00:34:35,658 --> 00:34:38,912
- Roy is absolutely a con man.
Is he any good at it?
852
00:34:38,912 --> 00:34:41,206
That's a great question.
853
00:34:41,206 --> 00:34:43,708
He's kind of good at it
and kind of awful at it.
854
00:34:43,708 --> 00:34:46,461
I'm not sure what the name
of the television show is
855
00:34:46,461 --> 00:34:50,590
exactly, but I think
one of the terms is nigga-ish.
856
00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:53,051
So I'm not a con man.
I'm con man-ish.
857
00:34:53,051 --> 00:34:55,720
- ♪ (GENTLE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
858
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:58,056
Man, there's some hustles
I could tell you about, man,
that I did.
859
00:34:58,056 --> 00:34:59,641
And that's what they were.
They were hustles, man.
860
00:34:59,641 --> 00:35:01,017
You know, I would call
861
00:35:01,017 --> 00:35:02,644
a grocery store
in the morning and say,
862
00:35:02,644 --> 00:35:06,731
"Hey, I need to order
25 rotisserie chickens."
863
00:35:06,731 --> 00:35:09,693
And they will order
the 25 rotisserie chickens
and cook them.
864
00:35:10,985 --> 00:35:12,237
And then I wouldn't
pick them up,
865
00:35:12,237 --> 00:35:13,988
and then I would show up
when the deli closed
866
00:35:13,988 --> 00:35:15,281
like six, seven o'clock,
867
00:35:15,281 --> 00:35:17,909
because I knew, at night,
they would mark them down
868
00:35:17,909 --> 00:35:21,079
to two dollars apiece.
869
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:23,248
But I didn't--
I mean, I didn't have a choice.
870
00:35:23,248 --> 00:35:28,670
Where am I going to find food
to feed 50 kids?
871
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:30,547
Originally, everything
was supposed to be catered,
872
00:35:30,547 --> 00:35:32,674
have all these meals
and whatnot.
873
00:35:32,674 --> 00:35:34,592
But we found out that
it wasn't like that.
874
00:35:34,592 --> 00:35:37,137
It seemed like
these kids got fed,
875
00:35:37,137 --> 00:35:39,764
but it was whenever Roy
could make it happen.
876
00:35:42,892 --> 00:35:44,144
When we first started,
877
00:35:44,144 --> 00:35:47,439
we were usually
getting fed pasta.
878
00:35:47,439 --> 00:35:49,983
I was eating pizza
and pasta every day.
879
00:35:49,983 --> 00:35:52,318
The mac and cheese
would get put out
because nobody would eat it.
880
00:35:52,318 --> 00:35:54,112
And then that same night,
it's reheated
881
00:35:54,112 --> 00:35:55,447
and it's there
like four nights later.
882
00:35:56,740 --> 00:36:00,118
I saw pictures
that he would send me
883
00:36:00,118 --> 00:36:01,411
and I'd be like...
884
00:36:05,707 --> 00:36:07,709
-"What is that?"
- It's not oatmeal. I don't know.
885
00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,669
I don't even know
what we ate that day.
886
00:36:09,669 --> 00:36:11,254
Like, it was a porridge?
887
00:36:11,254 --> 00:36:12,630
A whole bunch of food
like mixed together,
888
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:15,300
- like, just try it out.
- We out there playing football.
889
00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,635
Ain't nobody really got
any money or anything.
890
00:36:17,635 --> 00:36:21,139
And where I'm from,
it's only one way, so...
891
00:36:21,139 --> 00:36:22,724
They going to Walmart,
they stealing,
892
00:36:22,724 --> 00:36:23,767
Kroger, stealing it.
893
00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:25,643
There got a time
we all got kicked out of Walmart
894
00:36:25,643 --> 00:36:27,437
like none of us
could go in there.
895
00:36:27,437 --> 00:36:29,147
We had
to steal TV dinners
896
00:36:29,147 --> 00:36:30,648
and stuff like that,
chicken and stuff.
897
00:36:30,648 --> 00:36:32,984
With financial backing
comes stability.
898
00:36:32,984 --> 00:36:34,694
And once that didn't happen,
899
00:36:34,694 --> 00:36:36,279
it was almost
like they were on an island
900
00:36:36,279 --> 00:36:38,573
by their self,
surrounded by water.
901
00:36:39,449 --> 00:36:41,618
And now you have
to learn how to survive
902
00:36:41,618 --> 00:36:44,329
or you have to learn how to,
you know, do whatever you can
903
00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:45,830
to get out of it,
get off the island.
904
00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:48,833
Coach Roy and Mr. Peterson
told me that they would be able
905
00:36:48,833 --> 00:36:52,504
to help me get my ACT score up
as well as get extra tape.
906
00:36:52,504 --> 00:36:55,131
Get to those colleges
that I wanted to go to.
907
00:36:55,131 --> 00:36:58,426
For the school, it's-- it's--
It began
908
00:36:58,426 --> 00:37:01,429
with meeting the needs
of those kids.
909
00:37:01,429 --> 00:37:03,056
One, two, three...
910
00:37:03,056 --> 00:37:04,265
To my understanding,
911
00:37:04,265 --> 00:37:05,809
there were
no educational standards.
912
00:37:05,809 --> 00:37:07,519
They did not have teachers.
913
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,271
They did not provide
any education themselves.
914
00:37:10,271 --> 00:37:12,399
The school
that we visited
915
00:37:12,399 --> 00:37:15,402
months before we got there
was not at all the school
916
00:37:15,402 --> 00:37:18,571
that we, quote, unquote,
"attended."
917
00:37:18,571 --> 00:37:20,532
The school
that we actually attended,
918
00:37:20,532 --> 00:37:22,492
it was called YouthBuild.
919
00:37:22,492 --> 00:37:25,453
In 2019, the first year
of Bishop Sycamore,
920
00:37:25,453 --> 00:37:27,372
they claimed
that they were going to be
921
00:37:27,372 --> 00:37:30,083
the athletic arm of YouthBuild.
922
00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:31,543
It was
a school for kids
923
00:37:31,543 --> 00:37:33,795
that got locked up
during high school
924
00:37:33,795 --> 00:37:36,047
and kids
that probably dropped out
925
00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:38,341
and just wanted to get a GED.
926
00:37:38,341 --> 00:37:40,468
Bishop Sycamore
started running up bills
927
00:37:40,468 --> 00:37:42,804
in YouthBuild's name,
and expecting them to pay
928
00:37:42,804 --> 00:37:44,723
for things that YouthBuild
had not agreed to pay for.
929
00:37:44,723 --> 00:37:46,307
And so almost as soon
as it started,
930
00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:47,684
the partnership was dissolved.
931
00:37:47,684 --> 00:37:50,270
We never really had
like a teacher
932
00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:51,688
to help us for our ACT.
933
00:37:51,688 --> 00:37:53,857
We really was pretty much
on our own.
934
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:59,863
Coming in, I told him,
"I need to move my GPA
935
00:37:59,863 --> 00:38:00,947
from here to here."
936
00:38:00,947 --> 00:38:02,741
You know, he told me,
you know, "We have a trusted,
937
00:38:02,741 --> 00:38:04,951
accredited source
to bring your grades up."
938
00:38:04,951 --> 00:38:07,328
And I said, "Okay, I'm gonna put
all my marbles in one basket.
939
00:38:07,328 --> 00:38:08,788
Imma trust you with this."
940
00:38:08,788 --> 00:38:11,583
In its paperwork,
it says students go to class
941
00:38:11,583 --> 00:38:14,711
from 7:10 a.m. to 3:05 p.m.
942
00:38:14,711 --> 00:38:17,172
at Franklin University's
library.
943
00:38:17,172 --> 00:38:20,008
We're supposed to be
going to a school called
Franklin University,
944
00:38:20,008 --> 00:38:21,926
and Roy's telling us,
"Okay, this is the building
945
00:38:21,926 --> 00:38:23,762
where we'll be taking
our classes at."
946
00:38:23,762 --> 00:38:27,015
We get there and the doors
are locked, we can't get in, so.
947
00:38:27,015 --> 00:38:28,933
You guys never had
any type of brick-and-mortar
948
00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:31,478
school location
in-- in the entire process?
949
00:38:32,062 --> 00:38:33,021
No.
950
00:38:37,108 --> 00:38:38,777
Look, you tell a teenager,
951
00:38:38,777 --> 00:38:40,612
"You don't have to go
to school anymore,"
952
00:38:40,612 --> 00:38:42,447
they're not going to stop
and say, "But wait a minute,
953
00:38:42,447 --> 00:38:44,366
there are consequences to this."
No. They're like, "Cool.
954
00:38:44,366 --> 00:38:45,700
I don't have to go
to school anymore."
955
00:38:45,700 --> 00:38:48,078
They figured everything
would be taken care of
956
00:38:48,078 --> 00:38:49,621
because the grown folk on duty
957
00:38:49,621 --> 00:38:52,290
said that everything
would be taken care of.
958
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:53,958
Three games
into the season
959
00:38:53,958 --> 00:38:56,544
and we haven't touched a single
academic assignment.
960
00:38:56,544 --> 00:38:57,837
- We don't have any laptops.
961
00:38:57,837 --> 00:38:59,297
We don't really have
a solid place
962
00:38:59,297 --> 00:39:00,965
for everyone to, um,
everyone to do work.
963
00:39:00,965 --> 00:39:02,175
There's no teachers.
964
00:39:02,175 --> 00:39:03,593
So I'm kind of iffy about it,
965
00:39:03,593 --> 00:39:05,220
but I don't want
to go tell my mom.
966
00:39:05,220 --> 00:39:06,805
I'm like,
"Oh, I'm not doing school."
967
00:39:06,805 --> 00:39:08,598
I don't necessarily think
there was a gap
968
00:39:08,598 --> 00:39:11,768
between what was promised
and what was delivered. Um...
969
00:39:12,894 --> 00:39:15,647
I-- I guess--
I guess in a way you could--
970
00:39:15,647 --> 00:39:17,691
You-- You probably
could say that, I guess.
971
00:39:19,818 --> 00:39:23,154
If these were individuals
who were under the age of 18,
972
00:39:23,154 --> 00:39:24,489
you have a legal obligation
973
00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:26,116
to provide them
a very strict framework
974
00:39:26,116 --> 00:39:27,992
and make sure that they're doing
what they need to do
975
00:39:27,992 --> 00:39:30,745
because they're not adults yet.
The brain isn't fully formed.
976
00:39:30,745 --> 00:39:34,582
But one of the things that
Bishop Sycamore and COF Academy
977
00:39:34,582 --> 00:39:38,044
would always dance around
was the age of their players.
978
00:39:38,044 --> 00:39:41,631
Notably, they filled out
on their paperwork in 2020
979
00:39:41,631 --> 00:39:45,468
that they had three students
and in 2021 that they had one.
980
00:39:45,468 --> 00:39:48,930
Now, obviously, there was
more than three people
981
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:49,973
out on the football field.
982
00:39:49,973 --> 00:39:54,310
So why weren't all these players
on Bishop Sycamore
983
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:56,438
being considered truant?
984
00:39:56,438 --> 00:39:58,773
The answer would be,
if they were all
985
00:39:58,773 --> 00:40:01,568
already out of school
and over-aged.
986
00:40:01,568 --> 00:40:05,530
I already graduated
from high school. So, Coach Roy
987
00:40:05,530 --> 00:40:08,450
trying to search up
classes for us
988
00:40:09,409 --> 00:40:11,369
at YouthBuild down in Columbus.
989
00:40:11,369 --> 00:40:12,746
They tried to find us classes
990
00:40:12,746 --> 00:40:15,373
so we could look
like a real high school.
991
00:40:15,373 --> 00:40:16,833
Roy would tell people,
992
00:40:16,833 --> 00:40:19,377
"We-- we don't have graduates
on our team,
993
00:40:19,377 --> 00:40:21,379
we don't have players over 19
on our team.
994
00:40:21,379 --> 00:40:23,381
We are just a high school
like any other."
995
00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:24,549
Hard work on three.
996
00:40:24,549 --> 00:40:25,884
- One, two, three.
Hard work!
997
00:40:25,884 --> 00:40:29,304
There were remarks made
at practice like,
998
00:40:29,304 --> 00:40:30,472
"We're going to go out there
999
00:40:30,472 --> 00:40:32,015
and play a bunch of 17
and 18-year-olds
1000
00:40:32,015 --> 00:40:33,266
and whoop the shit out of them."
1001
00:40:33,266 --> 00:40:35,393
Which kind of led you
to believe that...
1002
00:40:35,393 --> 00:40:37,062
these kids might be grown men.
1003
00:40:37,062 --> 00:40:38,313
And, obviously, you know,
1004
00:40:38,313 --> 00:40:40,273
the way they look,
they looked old.
1005
00:40:40,273 --> 00:40:41,524
You could definitely see it.
1006
00:40:41,524 --> 00:40:43,109
There were players
with children,
1007
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:44,444
one that just came out of jail.
1008
00:40:44,444 --> 00:40:46,696
Just something you can look at
and see,
1009
00:40:46,696 --> 00:40:49,074
like, this isn't
a high school program.
1010
00:40:49,074 --> 00:40:52,327
Ben Ferree said you guys
had players who were too old?
1011
00:40:52,327 --> 00:40:53,578
- Mm-hmm?
Junior college players
1012
00:40:53,578 --> 00:40:55,413
that were playing in your team,
is that true?
1013
00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:56,623
It's not true.
Ben Ferree doesn't know
1014
00:40:56,623 --> 00:40:57,707
what the hell
he's talking about.
1015
00:40:57,707 --> 00:40:58,833
One that stands out to me
1016
00:40:58,833 --> 00:41:01,211
who did play
for Bishop Sycamore in 2021,
1017
00:41:01,211 --> 00:41:02,545
his name is Mecose Todd.
1018
00:41:03,963 --> 00:41:06,925
He was listed as playing
at a JuCo, a junior college.
1019
00:41:06,925 --> 00:41:10,178
He was listed at that college
as a sophomore.
1020
00:41:10,178 --> 00:41:11,429
What are the odds that someone
1021
00:41:11,429 --> 00:41:12,931
two years removed
from high school
1022
00:41:12,931 --> 00:41:16,935
is age-eligible
for high school athletics still?
1023
00:41:16,935 --> 00:41:18,770
You know Mecose
was already in JuCo.
1024
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:20,730
And you know I played at JuCo.
And you know this stuff.
1025
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:21,940
When you're in JuCo,
1026
00:41:21,940 --> 00:41:23,483
you can't go back
to high school. Like, that's--
1027
00:41:23,483 --> 00:41:26,111
that's basically your clock
has already started.
1028
00:41:26,111 --> 00:41:27,862
It always felt like
we were not supposed to be
1029
00:41:27,862 --> 00:41:29,114
doing things that we were doing.
1030
00:41:29,114 --> 00:41:30,490
Looking, looking, looking.
1031
00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:33,034
Gets hit from behind and sacked.
1032
00:41:33,034 --> 00:41:34,786
There are some big boys.
1033
00:41:34,786 --> 00:41:36,329
What do these kids eat?
1034
00:41:36,329 --> 00:41:39,124
I knew I wasn't eligible
to play high school football.
1035
00:41:39,124 --> 00:41:42,168
But what he kind of made it seem
like was that he had a prep team
1036
00:41:42,168 --> 00:41:45,255
as well as a high school team
that was playing.
1037
00:41:45,255 --> 00:41:49,217
So our school was a hybrid
of a high school-prep school.
1038
00:41:49,217 --> 00:41:50,301
I don't understand
1039
00:41:50,301 --> 00:41:52,721
how people just buy into that
hook, line, and sinker.
1040
00:41:52,721 --> 00:41:53,847
There's no such thing
1041
00:41:53,847 --> 00:41:56,641
as a hybrid
high school-prep team.
1042
00:41:56,641 --> 00:41:58,601
That does not exist.
1043
00:41:58,601 --> 00:42:01,438
If there's one
prep school player on a team,
1044
00:42:01,438 --> 00:42:02,981
it is a prep school.
1045
00:42:02,981 --> 00:42:05,650
You're bringing 20,
21-year-olds out here
1046
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:08,903
to compete against 15,
16, 17-year-olds.
1047
00:42:08,903 --> 00:42:12,657
Like, that is flatly wrong.
But it's masked by the fact
1048
00:42:12,657 --> 00:42:15,618
that they weren't good.
But there was still somebody
1049
00:42:15,618 --> 00:42:17,328
on the other side
of this 20-year-old
1050
00:42:17,328 --> 00:42:18,496
who probably looked up
1051
00:42:18,496 --> 00:42:20,832
and was like,
"Damn, that dude looks old."
1052
00:42:20,832 --> 00:42:23,918
The lie is when you tell people
that you are a school,
1053
00:42:23,918 --> 00:42:25,920
and then when you compound
on that lie
1054
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,506
by saying
"We are a high school."
1055
00:42:28,506 --> 00:42:30,008
What's the high school
age limit?
1056
00:42:30,008 --> 00:42:31,009
Does anybody know?
1057
00:42:31,009 --> 00:42:32,427
Is there some type
of organization
1058
00:42:32,427 --> 00:42:34,596
that says how old you have to be
to play high school football?
1059
00:42:34,596 --> 00:42:36,890
Where's that manual?
Does anybody have that?
1060
00:42:38,475 --> 00:42:40,560
In OHSAA regulations,
1061
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:41,978
you can be 19 years old
and play.
1062
00:42:41,978 --> 00:42:44,481
The day you turn 20,
you are no longer eligible
1063
00:42:44,481 --> 00:42:46,232
to play high school athletics.
1064
00:42:46,232 --> 00:42:49,819
Cool. What's that have to do
with us? We're not OHSAA.
1065
00:42:49,819 --> 00:42:51,988
So what are you talking about?
What, to play with OHSAA school?
1066
00:42:51,988 --> 00:42:53,531
I'm not OHSAA.
We weren't OHSAA.
1067
00:42:53,531 --> 00:42:54,866
There was nothing about us
that was OHSAA.
1068
00:42:54,866 --> 00:42:56,993
I didn't belong to OHSAA,
I wasn't a OHSAA member.
1069
00:42:56,993 --> 00:42:58,661
Everything
about that organization
1070
00:42:58,661 --> 00:43:00,080
is just disgusting.
1071
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,998
And then they run around
and call themselves the state,
1072
00:43:01,998 --> 00:43:03,458
but they're not even governed
by the state,
1073
00:43:03,458 --> 00:43:04,834
they're just an association.
1074
00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:09,631
Did I break a law?
Is it illegal? Am I in jail?
1075
00:43:09,631 --> 00:43:11,549
Some things,
there aren't laws against
1076
00:43:11,549 --> 00:43:13,885
because people lack
the imagination that anyone
1077
00:43:13,885 --> 00:43:15,720
is unscrupulous enough
to do them.
1078
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,681
No, it's just Ben Ferree, OHSAA,
1079
00:43:17,681 --> 00:43:19,265
and what they thought
is your opinion.
1080
00:43:19,265 --> 00:43:21,726
Roy, the issue is that you lie.
1081
00:43:36,157 --> 00:43:38,827
I think I'm the most honest liar
that I know.
1082
00:43:42,038 --> 00:43:44,582
So if you ask me if I'm a liar,
or have I lied?
1083
00:43:44,582 --> 00:43:45,875
Yeah, absolutely.
1084
00:43:46,501 --> 00:43:48,169
But I would tell you that.
1085
00:43:48,169 --> 00:43:51,256
My core value is loyalty.
1086
00:43:51,256 --> 00:43:55,719
So I wouldn't lie to somebody
I'm loyal to.
1087
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,431
Or more importantly,
I don't think I would lie
1088
00:43:59,431 --> 00:44:01,433
to somebody who is loyal to me.
1089
00:44:01,433 --> 00:44:03,560
Roy will tell you he's a liar.
1090
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,312
And then Roy will say,
"I'm a liar.
1091
00:44:06,312 --> 00:44:10,275
So I know that I need to tell
the truth about X, Y, Z,
1092
00:44:10,275 --> 00:44:13,278
because you'll just look into me
because I'm a liar."
1093
00:44:13,278 --> 00:44:17,115
I will not lie
about something I can prove.
1094
00:44:17,115 --> 00:44:19,242
I'm not going to tell you
we did something and we didn't
1095
00:44:19,242 --> 00:44:21,745
- when I can prove it.
- But you're comfortable to lie
1096
00:44:21,745 --> 00:44:23,872
about things
that can't be proven.
1097
00:44:24,622 --> 00:44:25,790
Yes.
1098
00:44:26,875 --> 00:44:29,085
My name
is Joe Maimone.
1099
00:44:29,085 --> 00:44:31,755
I'm a matchmaker
to the top teams in America
1100
00:44:31,755 --> 00:44:33,465
in the world
of high school football.
1101
00:44:33,465 --> 00:44:35,633
I had heard
of Bishop Sycamore,
1102
00:44:35,633 --> 00:44:37,761
just from being in the business.
1103
00:44:37,761 --> 00:44:40,805
Roy called me,
we started talking.
1104
00:44:40,805 --> 00:44:43,183
He told me, "I want to assemble
the best schedule
1105
00:44:43,183 --> 00:44:44,726
in the history
of high school football."
1106
00:44:44,726 --> 00:44:46,186
They didn't care about winning
or losing.
1107
00:44:46,186 --> 00:44:49,439
They just wanted to experience
playing the best.
1108
00:44:49,439 --> 00:44:50,815
Play against good teams,
1109
00:44:50,815 --> 00:44:52,859
that gives you
good varsity film.
1110
00:44:52,859 --> 00:44:54,027
Big throw from Harris.
1111
00:44:54,027 --> 00:44:55,779
- Caught at the end zone!
1112
00:44:55,779 --> 00:44:57,530
On one level, you can be
a coach that says,
1113
00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:59,991
"I want my kids to compete
against the best of the best."
1114
00:44:59,991 --> 00:45:02,243
But the adults in the room
1115
00:45:02,243 --> 00:45:04,412
are the ones who have
to look around and say,
1116
00:45:04,412 --> 00:45:06,164
"Nah, we don't need to do that."
1117
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,875
And you can do that
in basketball
1118
00:45:08,875 --> 00:45:10,251
or chess or something else
1119
00:45:10,251 --> 00:45:11,961
that doesn't involve getting hit
in the kidneys.
1120
00:45:11,961 --> 00:45:15,215
Like in this-- this-- There are
different consequences to this.
1121
00:45:15,215 --> 00:45:18,718
IMG is one of the toughest teams
in America to schedule for,
1122
00:45:18,718 --> 00:45:20,303
because of how good they are.
1123
00:45:20,303 --> 00:45:22,347
So I surround myself
with those type of clients
1124
00:45:22,347 --> 00:45:24,849
who want to play the IMGs
of the world.
1125
00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:27,018
Even though you lose to IMG,
if you're playing well
1126
00:45:27,018 --> 00:45:28,311
against one
of their top players,
1127
00:45:28,311 --> 00:45:30,605
that can get you
a scholarship somewhere.
1128
00:45:30,605 --> 00:45:32,107
The exposure helps.
1129
00:45:32,107 --> 00:45:34,526
The only thing is,
if you're not that good,
1130
00:45:34,526 --> 00:45:36,653
exposure means getting exposed.
1131
00:45:36,653 --> 00:45:40,365
Do you know why IMG played us
in the Canton Hall of Fame?
1132
00:45:40,365 --> 00:45:43,535
Because nobody else in Ohio
wanted to play them.
1133
00:45:43,535 --> 00:45:45,120
They think
it's a finesse thing, right?
1134
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,372
"How did you finesse your way
onto ESPN?"
1135
00:45:48,832 --> 00:45:50,667
I didn't. They called us.
1136
00:45:50,667 --> 00:45:52,711
After assembling
Bishop Sycamore's
1137
00:45:52,711 --> 00:45:54,212
2021 schedule,
1138
00:45:54,212 --> 00:45:56,881
it was ranked the fourth
toughest schedule in America.
1139
00:45:56,881 --> 00:45:58,675
Not only were they playing IMG,
1140
00:45:58,675 --> 00:46:00,385
they were playing a team
from Texas,
1141
00:46:00,385 --> 00:46:02,679
they were playing a team
from Las Vegas,
1142
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,723
they were going down
to Maryland.
1143
00:46:04,723 --> 00:46:06,099
It was a great schedule,
1144
00:46:06,099 --> 00:46:08,852
one of the best I've ever
put together for any team.
1145
00:46:08,852 --> 00:46:11,104
We're on ESPN...
1146
00:46:11,104 --> 00:46:13,189
playing at the
Canton Hall of Fame.
1147
00:46:14,524 --> 00:46:16,234
Win, lose, or draw, we win.
1148
00:46:16,985 --> 00:46:18,862
We're there. We win.
1149
00:46:18,862 --> 00:46:21,072
I love it
when a plan comes together.
1150
00:46:25,076 --> 00:46:26,286
The first game
of the season
1151
00:46:26,286 --> 00:46:28,955
- was at Archbishop Hoban.
1152
00:46:28,955 --> 00:46:31,708
Harris looking under pressure.
1153
00:46:31,708 --> 00:46:35,170
Scrambles and dropped down
at about the 45.
1154
00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:36,463
They're a really
good team.
1155
00:46:36,463 --> 00:46:39,341
They've had about four or five
state championships.
1156
00:46:39,341 --> 00:46:42,052
There I'm playing against
the top programs in the country.
1157
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,803
Let's go.
1158
00:46:43,803 --> 00:46:46,222
The second game
on my schedule is IMG.
1159
00:46:46,222 --> 00:46:48,308
It was an opportunity
for me against IMG
1160
00:46:48,308 --> 00:46:51,394
to go in there and showcase
who I really am.
1161
00:46:51,394 --> 00:46:56,399
But the week of, Roy tells us
we got another game on Friday.
1162
00:46:57,525 --> 00:46:59,361
He's like, "Yeah,
we're gonna take this game
1163
00:46:59,361 --> 00:47:00,445
to get prepared for IMG.
1164
00:47:00,445 --> 00:47:03,573
They had scheduled
individually, on their own,
1165
00:47:03,573 --> 00:47:05,408
the Pennsylvania team on Friday.
1166
00:47:05,408 --> 00:47:07,786
This to me was one
of the craziest things
to come of this.
1167
00:47:07,786 --> 00:47:09,329
It was finding out
1168
00:47:09,329 --> 00:47:12,082
that they had played
two football games
1169
00:47:12,082 --> 00:47:14,417
in a span of three days.
1170
00:47:14,417 --> 00:47:15,627
Had no idea about it
1171
00:47:15,627 --> 00:47:18,296
and would definitely would have
talked them out of it
1172
00:47:18,296 --> 00:47:21,466
or let them know my feelings,
uh, not to do it.
1173
00:47:21,466 --> 00:47:24,302
Especially when you're playing
a top-five team in America
1174
00:47:24,302 --> 00:47:26,096
48 hours later.
1175
00:47:26,096 --> 00:47:29,224
Welcome to
the Woodland Hills Showcase.
1176
00:47:29,224 --> 00:47:30,975
Tonight's first matchup
is going to be
1177
00:47:30,975 --> 00:47:33,520
Bishop Sycamore versus Sto-Rox.
1178
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,564
Every single snap,
you are ramming your body
1179
00:47:36,564 --> 00:47:37,524
into somebody else,
1180
00:47:37,524 --> 00:47:40,318
and you're doing that
a hundred times a game.
1181
00:47:40,318 --> 00:47:41,903
Bishop Sycamore
comes out
1182
00:47:41,903 --> 00:47:44,781
being led by their quarterback,
Trilian Harris.
1183
00:47:44,781 --> 00:47:47,075
Teams are playing two games
within one week,
1184
00:47:47,075 --> 00:47:48,993
but not Friday, Sunday.
1185
00:47:48,993 --> 00:47:50,995
Not that small a window.
1186
00:47:50,995 --> 00:47:53,873
You need time to recuperate
from one game to play the other.
1187
00:47:53,873 --> 00:47:56,626
I've been around
the game a long time
1188
00:47:56,626 --> 00:48:00,422
and I've never witnessed a team
1189
00:48:00,422 --> 00:48:03,174
that played two games
back-to-back.
1190
00:48:03,174 --> 00:48:04,342
Shotgun formation.
1191
00:48:04,342 --> 00:48:06,553
Harris gets the snap.
He's under pressure.
1192
00:48:06,553 --> 00:48:07,971
And he's taken down!
1193
00:48:07,971 --> 00:48:09,514
You wanna know
what that feels like?
1194
00:48:09,514 --> 00:48:12,142
Go run into a wall 30 times
1195
00:48:12,142 --> 00:48:14,144
and then come back
two days later
1196
00:48:14,144 --> 00:48:15,353
and say,
"Yeah, I'll do that again."
1197
00:48:15,353 --> 00:48:18,023
Except this time,
against a much sturdier wall.
1198
00:48:18,023 --> 00:48:20,775
If it was such a big concern
that they should only play
1199
00:48:20,775 --> 00:48:22,235
one game per week,
1200
00:48:22,235 --> 00:48:24,237
then you should make that
a national law and rule,
1201
00:48:24,237 --> 00:48:26,031
the health people should come in
and say all that,
1202
00:48:26,031 --> 00:48:27,157
and guess what I would do?
1203
00:48:27,157 --> 00:48:28,450
"Hey, bro,
we can't play these two games.
1204
00:48:28,450 --> 00:48:30,577
We can't do that,
because it's against the law."
1205
00:48:30,577 --> 00:48:33,163
But they didn't make it illegal,
so we played the game.
1206
00:48:33,163 --> 00:48:35,874
There's no law saying
you can't play football games
1207
00:48:35,874 --> 00:48:37,250
within 48 hours of each other.
1208
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:39,794
There's no law saying you can't,
1209
00:48:39,794 --> 00:48:41,713
you know,
drive a nail into your leg.
1210
00:48:41,713 --> 00:48:42,881
People just don't do it
1211
00:48:42,881 --> 00:48:44,382
because it's stupid
and unhealthy.
1212
00:48:46,176 --> 00:48:49,095
You could not
demonstrate less of a regard
1213
00:48:49,095 --> 00:48:51,348
for the safety of your players
1214
00:48:51,348 --> 00:48:54,017
than having them play
two tackle football games
1215
00:48:54,017 --> 00:48:55,477
in a span of three days.
1216
00:48:56,895 --> 00:48:58,480
People were sharing helmets
1217
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,357
because we were lied to,
1218
00:49:00,357 --> 00:49:03,401
saying that we had, um,
equipment on the way.
1219
00:49:03,401 --> 00:49:05,236
Trilian had to wear
his helmet
1220
00:49:05,236 --> 00:49:07,197
that he had in high school
that I bought him,
1221
00:49:07,197 --> 00:49:09,199
that I know
it wasn't registered,
1222
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:12,952
and it wasn't a certified helmet
for this season.
1223
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,414
And his helmet comes off!
1224
00:49:16,414 --> 00:49:18,958
I can't believe
this happened again.
1225
00:49:18,958 --> 00:49:20,960
Uh, were players
sharing helmets? Yes.
1226
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,212
Is that dangerous?
1227
00:49:23,129 --> 00:49:26,007
Football is dangerous. Yeah.
1228
00:49:26,007 --> 00:49:27,926
And that'll
just about do it here.
1229
00:49:27,926 --> 00:49:30,762
The Sto-Rox Vikings come out
and get a victory
1230
00:49:30,762 --> 00:49:32,097
against Bishop Sycamore.
1231
00:49:32,097 --> 00:49:33,473
There weren't safety concerns
1232
00:49:33,473 --> 00:49:35,141
because there just wasn't anyone
paying attention.
1233
00:49:35,141 --> 00:49:36,768
There wasn't enough
eyeballs on it.
1234
00:49:36,768 --> 00:49:39,437
When it's on ESPN and...
and you have
1235
00:49:39,437 --> 00:49:42,482
millions of people seeing
the horrible situation,
1236
00:49:42,482 --> 00:49:44,317
then it gets
a little more spotlight on it.
1237
00:49:44,317 --> 00:49:46,569
Welcome to Canton, Ohio,
1238
00:49:46,569 --> 00:49:49,447
home to the Pro Football
Hall of Fame.
1239
00:49:49,447 --> 00:49:52,951
IMG Academy out of Florida,
a powerhouse,
1240
00:49:52,951 --> 00:49:55,620
against Bishop Sycamore
from Ohio.
1241
00:49:55,620 --> 00:49:58,415
And all of a sudden,
we see that Bishop Sycamore
1242
00:49:58,415 --> 00:50:03,044
has scheduled IMG Academy
at Hall of Fame Stadium on ESPN.
1243
00:50:03,044 --> 00:50:05,547
Dude, we can't miss that.
1244
00:50:05,547 --> 00:50:08,925
That's Roy Johnson's idea
coming to fruition.
1245
00:50:08,925 --> 00:50:10,468
What if they're good?
1246
00:50:10,468 --> 00:50:12,429
I was sitting at home,
I was like,
1247
00:50:12,429 --> 00:50:14,180
"I'm gonna
binge-watch something."
1248
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:17,809
I made me some lemonade,
got my cookies on deck.
1249
00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:22,188
And then all of a sudden,
I saw Roy drinking the water.
1250
00:50:22,188 --> 00:50:24,733
And I'm telling you,
I dropped my cookies
1251
00:50:24,733 --> 00:50:27,402
and the first words
I... I yelled at my wife,
1252
00:50:27,402 --> 00:50:30,822
"Hey, man, the clown's on TV
doing this thing."
1253
00:50:30,822 --> 00:50:32,240
Roy Johnson,
the head coach
1254
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,950
for Bishop Sycamore,
1255
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:35,535
they're a bit of a mystery
in this game.
1256
00:50:35,535 --> 00:50:38,580
Roy, how did you pull this off?
I don't know.
1257
00:50:38,580 --> 00:50:43,960
I don't know how you did it,
but, like, it was amazing.
1258
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,295
You watch them growing up.
1259
00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:46,838
Like, everybody watches
the IMG Academy growing up.
1260
00:50:46,838 --> 00:50:49,049
So you know
you're playing against
the best school in the nation.
1261
00:50:49,049 --> 00:50:50,550
So it was definitely surreal.
1262
00:50:56,514 --> 00:50:58,183
I was happy for Roy.
1263
00:50:58,183 --> 00:51:01,227
I was happy for the boys,
happy for the coaches.
1264
00:51:01,227 --> 00:51:02,687
So, it was like--
It was emotional.
1265
00:51:02,687 --> 00:51:04,481
Like, I remember coming out
of the tunnel.
1266
00:51:04,481 --> 00:51:06,649
Before I got to the tunnel,
my wife looked at me
1267
00:51:06,649 --> 00:51:08,360
and I just--
and I just burst into tears.
1268
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,280
Trilian was extremely excited.
That's all he could talk about.
1269
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,282
That's all he could post
on Twitter.
1270
00:51:14,282 --> 00:51:16,034
It's what we do from the West
to the Midwest.
1271
00:51:16,034 --> 00:51:17,202
So, we're going up, baby.
1272
00:51:17,202 --> 00:51:18,703
Let's turn this up.
You see the one-three.
1273
00:51:18,703 --> 00:51:19,746
Let's fuckin' go!
1274
00:51:19,746 --> 00:51:23,291
The day IMG game, waking up.
It's a lot of nerves.
1275
00:51:23,291 --> 00:51:25,627
So I said a prayer
and I went to the mirror.
1276
00:51:25,627 --> 00:51:28,880
I'm looking. I'm-- You know,
my eyes is getting watery.
1277
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,048
I'm looking. I'm like,
1278
00:51:30,048 --> 00:51:32,008
"It's the biggest day
of your life, bruh."
1279
00:51:32,008 --> 00:51:33,009
Let's go!
1280
00:51:33,009 --> 00:51:35,637
The day of competition
is a big deal.
1281
00:51:35,637 --> 00:51:38,390
Now, you take this
and you make it teenagers,
1282
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:41,309
and you tell them
that they are being put
1283
00:51:41,309 --> 00:51:44,187
on the most important stage
in American life.
1284
00:51:44,187 --> 00:51:45,271
Television.
1285
00:51:45,271 --> 00:51:46,398
I'm so hyped right now.
1286
00:51:46,398 --> 00:51:48,233
Just imagine
all the emotions
1287
00:51:48,233 --> 00:51:50,944
that come up with that,
because TV confers
1288
00:51:50,944 --> 00:51:52,696
an authority in this country.
1289
00:51:52,696 --> 00:51:54,739
Be legendary on me.
Be legendary on three.
1290
00:51:54,739 --> 00:51:55,990
One, two, three!
1291
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:58,702
Bishop Sycamore
will kick it off
1292
00:51:58,702 --> 00:52:01,079
and IMG Academy will receive.
1293
00:52:03,123 --> 00:52:04,916
Going to the game,
I think everybody thought
1294
00:52:04,916 --> 00:52:06,084
we had a big chance of winning.
1295
00:52:06,084 --> 00:52:07,794
Like, everybody's hopes
were high.
1296
00:52:07,794 --> 00:52:12,424
You don't go into this game
thinking that you can't win.
1297
00:52:12,424 --> 00:52:14,342
I've never thought
that we couldn't win.
1298
00:52:14,342 --> 00:52:16,094
He honestly
and truthfully thought
1299
00:52:16,094 --> 00:52:17,762
that we were gonna go
into the IMG game
1300
00:52:17,762 --> 00:52:19,097
and stand a chance.
1301
00:52:19,097 --> 00:52:21,057
How likely is it
they could have beaten IMG?
1302
00:52:21,057 --> 00:52:23,101
They hadn't won a game
in two years
1303
00:52:23,101 --> 00:52:25,061
and now they were gonna fight
the champ.
1304
00:52:25,061 --> 00:52:26,521
End zone.
1305
00:52:26,521 --> 00:52:30,275
Hauled in by Tate with one hand.
1306
00:52:30,275 --> 00:52:32,152
I'm playing against
one of the top programs
1307
00:52:32,152 --> 00:52:33,486
in the country.
1308
00:52:33,486 --> 00:52:36,906
And now if I beat them,
I'm the man, you know?
1309
00:52:36,906 --> 00:52:39,242
If I beat them,
I'm a dog out here, man.
1310
00:52:39,242 --> 00:52:40,660
I'm gonna get the most respect
out here.
1311
00:52:40,660 --> 00:52:43,872
I saw that as a chance,
like, to really prove myself
1312
00:52:43,872 --> 00:52:45,248
that I'm that dude.
1313
00:52:45,248 --> 00:52:47,500
It's my only shot, for real.
This is my chance.
1314
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:49,627
First time
we get to see this offense.
1315
00:52:49,627 --> 00:52:52,297
Trilian Harris
is their quarterback.
1316
00:52:52,297 --> 00:52:53,965
History is written
by the winners.
1317
00:52:53,965 --> 00:52:55,216
It's not written by the losers.
1318
00:52:55,216 --> 00:52:56,885
On second and nine.
1319
00:52:56,885 --> 00:53:00,013
Harris gets rid of it,
completes near sideline.
1320
00:53:00,013 --> 00:53:02,474
If we win,
sponsors are different,
1321
00:53:02,474 --> 00:53:05,602
signing day is different.
People congratulating us.
1322
00:53:05,602 --> 00:53:08,188
Fourth and one
from inside its own 30.
1323
00:53:08,188 --> 00:53:09,814
Bishop Sycamore will go for it.
1324
00:53:09,814 --> 00:53:12,442
If you hear Roy Johnson
just beat IMG Academy,
1325
00:53:12,442 --> 00:53:14,986
now my school automatically
is the top school.
1326
00:53:14,986 --> 00:53:18,323
And IMG will take over.
The ball comes out.
1327
00:53:18,323 --> 00:53:19,616
It's gonna be
a tall order
1328
00:53:19,616 --> 00:53:21,326
for this Bishop Sycamore
offensive line
1329
00:53:21,326 --> 00:53:23,161
to hold up throughout the course
of four quarters.
1330
00:53:23,161 --> 00:53:27,540
If Bishop Sycamore
had beaten IMG Academy,
1331
00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:31,086
it would have been
the proudest moment
1332
00:53:31,086 --> 00:53:33,338
of Roy Johnson's life.
1333
00:53:33,338 --> 00:53:35,382
ESPN would be running
around like,
1334
00:53:35,382 --> 00:53:37,592
"We had this flagship team
that we brought on."
1335
00:53:37,592 --> 00:53:38,968
Underdogs and all that. Yeah.
1336
00:53:38,968 --> 00:53:42,847
New York Times is talking
about Roy Johnson, the genius.
1337
00:53:42,847 --> 00:53:45,392
"Look how he's helped
these kids recover."
1338
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:48,311
But that definitely
didn't happen.
1339
00:53:48,311 --> 00:53:50,230
Low throw. It's caught.
1340
00:53:51,481 --> 00:53:53,233
And reaching
across the goal line,
1341
00:53:53,233 --> 00:53:54,943
it's Carnell Tate.
1342
00:53:56,945 --> 00:53:58,363
The injured player
1343
00:53:58,363 --> 00:54:01,491
for Bishop Sycamore
is number 54.
1344
00:54:01,491 --> 00:54:05,120
We do not have a 54
on the roster we were given.
1345
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,038
Safety comes first
with football,
1346
00:54:07,038 --> 00:54:09,624
but we didn't have any trainers.
1347
00:54:09,624 --> 00:54:12,794
Actually, the IMG game,
my mom was the trainer.
1348
00:54:12,794 --> 00:54:16,673
One of the staff members
from the stadium came in
1349
00:54:16,673 --> 00:54:19,134
and he was like,
"Where are your trainers?"
1350
00:54:19,134 --> 00:54:21,136
I said, "I am the trainer."
1351
00:54:21,136 --> 00:54:22,178
And he was like, "What?
1352
00:54:22,178 --> 00:54:23,763
They're supposed
to be supplied.
1353
00:54:23,763 --> 00:54:25,306
They were supposed
to get somebody out here,
1354
00:54:25,306 --> 00:54:26,683
you know,
if somebody got injured."
1355
00:54:26,683 --> 00:54:28,393
And I was like,
"Well, that didn't happen."
1356
00:54:28,393 --> 00:54:29,728
First ten minutes
of the game,
1357
00:54:29,728 --> 00:54:32,480
one of the kids tore his ACL.
It was a bad knee injury
1358
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,691
and Roy was just out there
with some of the coaches.
1359
00:54:34,691 --> 00:54:36,735
No medical staff,
nobody out there.
1360
00:54:36,735 --> 00:54:38,987
A red zone chance for IMG.
1361
00:54:39,946 --> 00:54:42,115
Still fighting
into the end zone
1362
00:54:42,115 --> 00:54:43,742
from 12 yards out.
1363
00:54:44,826 --> 00:54:47,704
This is throwing a bantamweight
1364
00:54:47,704 --> 00:54:50,832
with just a few fights
under its belt
1365
00:54:50,832 --> 00:54:52,459
into the ring
against essentially
1366
00:54:52,459 --> 00:54:54,127
your heavyweight champion.
1367
00:54:54,127 --> 00:54:56,921
At that moment,
I was extremely concerned.
1368
00:54:56,921 --> 00:55:01,217
From the 15,
Harris will throw. Backpedaling.
1369
00:55:01,217 --> 00:55:03,595
Jihaad Campbell gets the sack.
1370
00:55:03,595 --> 00:55:06,348
And Trilian Harris,
the quarterback
1371
00:55:06,348 --> 00:55:09,059
for Bishop Sycamore,
limping on the sideline.
1372
00:55:09,059 --> 00:55:10,185
I'm gonna sit back there
1373
00:55:10,185 --> 00:55:11,436
and take them hits,
1374
00:55:11,436 --> 00:55:14,898
but I'm gonna get back up.
I'm gonna get back up.
1375
00:55:14,898 --> 00:55:19,444
I'm gonna keep playin'.
Play me. I don't give a fuck.
1376
00:55:19,444 --> 00:55:20,862
I don't care.
1377
00:55:20,862 --> 00:55:23,948
'Cause in that moment, I'm like,
"Bro, I can't go out like this.
1378
00:55:24,741 --> 00:55:25,867
I can't."
1379
00:55:25,867 --> 00:55:27,952
And I want college coaches
to know that,
1380
00:55:27,952 --> 00:55:29,412
okay, at least he a dog.
1381
00:55:31,289 --> 00:55:33,458
Harris heaves it down field.
1382
00:55:33,458 --> 00:55:34,959
Incomplete.
1383
00:55:36,336 --> 00:55:38,421
As I was throwing the ball,
1384
00:55:38,421 --> 00:55:41,966
my arm came up
and my shoulder came down.
1385
00:55:41,966 --> 00:55:45,553
I felt the pop.
So I'm dangling my arm.
1386
00:55:45,553 --> 00:55:48,306
You can tell. Like, you know,
you can tell it that I'm hurt.
1387
00:55:48,306 --> 00:55:50,058
End of the second quarter,
1388
00:55:50,058 --> 00:55:51,476
Trilian goes up for a pass.
1389
00:55:51,476 --> 00:55:53,687
The linebacker came
and hit him in his shoulder.
1390
00:55:53,687 --> 00:55:55,689
As he was off the field,
he threw his helmet.
1391
00:55:55,689 --> 00:55:57,816
He, you know, was like,
"I'm good. I'm good.
1392
00:55:57,816 --> 00:55:59,734
I'm going back in the game,
I'm going back in the game."
1393
00:55:59,734 --> 00:56:00,985
I was like, "No, you're not."
1394
00:56:00,985 --> 00:56:02,862
I don't care if we got whooped
a hundred to zero.
1395
00:56:02,862 --> 00:56:05,699
All I know is I wanted to go out
fighting as a dog.
1396
00:56:05,699 --> 00:56:07,826
The coaches, of course,
let him go back in.
1397
00:56:07,826 --> 00:56:11,162
I was like, "He is not going
back in this game."
1398
00:56:11,162 --> 00:56:13,540
We get a new quarterback here,
1399
00:56:14,791 --> 00:56:16,167
- Isaiah Booker.
1400
00:56:16,167 --> 00:56:17,627
He's listed
as a receiver
1401
00:56:17,627 --> 00:56:19,546
or a defensive back
on the roster.
1402
00:56:19,546 --> 00:56:21,673
Right. Not even listed
as a quarterback.
1403
00:56:21,673 --> 00:56:23,550
My backup,
he broke his ankle.
1404
00:56:23,550 --> 00:56:26,011
But we are seeing
Isaiah Booker here.
1405
00:56:26,011 --> 00:56:28,763
He is under pressure
and gobbled up.
1406
00:56:28,763 --> 00:56:30,515
The inherent danger right now.
1407
00:56:30,515 --> 00:56:32,517
That looked like a young man
1408
00:56:32,517 --> 00:56:34,811
not prepared to face
this kind of a defense.
1409
00:56:34,811 --> 00:56:36,521
The thing about
watching football is
1410
00:56:36,521 --> 00:56:37,856
you recognize there's a chance
1411
00:56:37,856 --> 00:56:39,232
that somebody
is going to be hurt.
1412
00:56:39,232 --> 00:56:44,279
But when you watch one team
just be physically superior
1413
00:56:44,279 --> 00:56:46,322
in every way to another team,
1414
00:56:46,322 --> 00:56:48,491
and it's clear that that team
can't compete,
1415
00:56:48,491 --> 00:56:50,035
you felt like the referee
should have been coming in
1416
00:56:50,035 --> 00:56:52,203
or somebody should've thrown
in a towel and said,
1417
00:56:52,203 --> 00:56:53,872
"Hey, man, this is enough.
1418
00:56:53,872 --> 00:56:55,665
Our guys can't do it."
1419
00:56:55,665 --> 00:56:57,876
Now, it's on the coaches.
1420
00:56:57,876 --> 00:57:01,963
You know, you say you care
about us, but did you really?
1421
00:57:01,963 --> 00:57:04,215
I go to the sideline,
tell the coach,
1422
00:57:04,215 --> 00:57:05,633
"I felt my knee pop."
1423
00:57:05,633 --> 00:57:07,385
"If it ain't hurting, you good."
1424
00:57:07,385 --> 00:57:08,720
So, I go back out there.
1425
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,057
Then come to find out
I tore my ACL.
1426
00:57:13,767 --> 00:57:15,435
I'm telling him, "It popped."
1427
00:57:15,435 --> 00:57:18,396
Not one coach said,
"Don't go back out there."
1428
00:57:18,396 --> 00:57:20,023
It was disgusting.
1429
00:57:20,023 --> 00:57:23,193
I was literally sick
to my stomach watching it.
1430
00:57:23,193 --> 00:57:25,153
Driven hard out of bounds.
1431
00:57:26,738 --> 00:57:28,573
Quarter number two
comes to an end.
1432
00:57:28,573 --> 00:57:30,450
Halftime came
1433
00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:35,121
and he literally cussed
the kids out.
1434
00:57:35,121 --> 00:57:38,083
We come in at halftime.
My phone is blowing up.
1435
00:57:41,753 --> 00:57:44,923
Fake school this.
Fake school that.
1436
00:57:47,425 --> 00:57:50,970
I got over a thousand messages
in my requests.
1437
00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:53,431
I'm thinking to myself, like,
man, it's halftime.
1438
00:57:53,431 --> 00:57:55,350
We will have a running clock
1439
00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:56,685
here in the third quarter.
1440
00:57:56,685 --> 00:58:00,063
IMG to kick off
to Bishop Sycamore.
1441
00:58:00,063 --> 00:58:03,983
There were media outlets
that I had reached out to
1442
00:58:03,983 --> 00:58:06,486
telling them,
"This is a fake school.
1443
00:58:06,486 --> 00:58:07,654
You need to cover this,"
1444
00:58:07,654 --> 00:58:09,489
that just completely blew me off
1445
00:58:09,489 --> 00:58:12,283
and said, "No, we're not running
a story on it."
1446
00:58:12,283 --> 00:58:15,787
Gage reaching and he is in.
1447
00:58:15,787 --> 00:58:20,792
So to see it go viral simply
because it existed on ESPN
1448
00:58:20,792 --> 00:58:23,294
when they could have run
that story any time
1449
00:58:23,294 --> 00:58:24,546
in the last three years.
1450
00:58:24,546 --> 00:58:26,464
That was just like,
"Go fuck yourself."
1451
00:58:26,464 --> 00:58:29,134
Trending on Twitter,
seeing my name,
1452
00:58:29,134 --> 00:58:31,594
you know, it hurt.
1453
00:58:31,594 --> 00:58:35,598
Grown men tweeting my son
that he should go kill himself.
1454
00:58:38,393 --> 00:58:40,020
He is never gonna be shit.
1455
00:58:41,062 --> 00:58:41,938
Like, "You suck.
1456
00:58:41,938 --> 00:58:43,273
You're a Bishop Sycamore
quarterback."
1457
00:58:43,273 --> 00:58:45,817
Jonathan Mambila
in there now at quarterback.
1458
00:58:45,817 --> 00:58:48,653
Also listed as
a defensive back wide receiver.
1459
00:58:48,653 --> 00:58:50,321
Too high,
tipped, intercepted.
1460
00:58:50,321 --> 00:58:51,448
People got the narrative
1461
00:58:51,448 --> 00:58:52,741
that I'm a grown man.
1462
00:58:52,741 --> 00:58:54,868
People got the narrative
that I'm a JuCo dropout.
1463
00:58:54,868 --> 00:58:56,745
These are grown-ass men losing
1464
00:58:56,745 --> 00:58:58,371
to fucking high schoolers.
1465
00:58:58,371 --> 00:59:01,583
Hill handed off.
It's Gage and he'll waltz in.
1466
00:59:01,583 --> 00:59:03,835
You 20 years old, 21,
1467
00:59:03,835 --> 00:59:05,003
and you playing
high school kids,
1468
00:59:05,003 --> 00:59:07,130
they smacking you around
on the field?
1469
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:09,674
Man, get out of here
with that nonsense!
1470
00:59:09,674 --> 00:59:11,426
This is not a representation
1471
00:59:11,426 --> 00:59:14,220
or a microcosm in any way,
shape, or form
1472
00:59:14,220 --> 00:59:15,764
of Ohio High School Football.
1473
00:59:15,764 --> 00:59:19,976
It takes a lot
for a broadcast crew
1474
00:59:19,976 --> 00:59:24,939
to be critical of what
they are seeing in real time.
1475
00:59:24,939 --> 00:59:27,359
Nobody knows
who Bishop Sycamore is.
1476
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:28,735
The last thing you want
1477
00:59:28,735 --> 00:59:31,696
is to have this
be representative of the image
1478
00:59:31,696 --> 00:59:33,740
your program projects
going forward.
1479
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:37,702
It had to be
so transparently fraudulent
1480
00:59:37,702 --> 00:59:40,872
that people
who were on the payroll
1481
00:59:40,872 --> 00:59:43,917
to promote this event
could not keep up the story.
1482
00:59:43,917 --> 00:59:47,087
They get it right back.
Makes it a pick six.
1483
00:59:50,382 --> 00:59:54,260
I would be stunned
if Bishop Sycamore ever plays
1484
00:59:54,260 --> 00:59:55,512
another football game.
1485
00:59:55,512 --> 00:59:56,888
And that will do it.
1486
00:59:56,888 --> 01:00:00,767
The absurdity kept stacking
and stacking and stacking,
1487
01:00:00,767 --> 01:00:02,977
and it couldn't have
possibly been funnier.
1488
01:00:02,977 --> 01:00:05,563
If I was a viewer,
I'm clowning me.
1489
01:00:05,563 --> 01:00:07,315
Like I'm-- I'm--
I'm clowning me.
1490
01:00:07,315 --> 01:00:11,695
And then we found out
what this meant to the kids.
1491
01:00:11,695 --> 01:00:13,780
I'm not even Adrian Brown.
1492
01:00:13,780 --> 01:00:15,407
People see me
as Bishop Sycamore,
1493
01:00:15,407 --> 01:00:16,783
the fake school.
1494
01:00:16,783 --> 01:00:18,243
Y'all are gonna be
clowned forever.
1495
01:00:18,243 --> 01:00:22,247
What amazes me
about this particular con
1496
01:00:22,247 --> 01:00:27,085
is the dream for this con
was for everybody to see it.
1497
01:00:27,085 --> 01:00:28,712
The fallout after the team's
1498
01:00:28,712 --> 01:00:30,714
blowout loss continues.
1499
01:00:30,714 --> 01:00:31,923
Who is this team?
1500
01:00:31,923 --> 01:00:33,758
What sort of education
are these players getting?
1501
01:00:33,758 --> 01:00:35,218
And it will be interesting
to see
1502
01:00:35,218 --> 01:00:37,053
if there's
a criminal investigation.
1503
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:40,640
- Maybe from a fraud standpoint.
Yeah.
1504
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:42,517
Were they raising money
under false pretenses
1505
01:00:42,517 --> 01:00:43,768
and not delivering it?
1506
01:00:43,768 --> 01:00:45,520
Now, we can tell you
they have fired
1507
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,896
their head coach.
1508
01:00:46,896 --> 01:00:48,565
Teams scheduled
to play Bishop Sycamore
1509
01:00:48,565 --> 01:00:49,649
canceled their games
1510
01:00:49,649 --> 01:00:51,735
following last week's
televised loss.
1511
01:00:51,735 --> 01:00:53,445
The Fairfield Inn & Suites
1512
01:00:53,445 --> 01:00:54,654
in Canton alleged
1513
01:00:54,654 --> 01:00:57,157
that the team used
counterfeit checks to pay
1514
01:00:57,157 --> 01:01:00,744
for its stay during its matchup
against IMG Academy.
1515
01:01:00,744 --> 01:01:02,120
♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1516
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,248
The day before the IMG
and Bishop Sycamore game,
1517
01:01:05,248 --> 01:01:07,292
Roy asked me to pick him up.
1518
01:01:07,292 --> 01:01:09,794
He needed to go get a check,
which in my mind is like,
1519
01:01:09,794 --> 01:01:11,588
okay, you're gonna go
to the bank.
1520
01:01:11,588 --> 01:01:15,800
He's like, "No, let's stop over
at Kinko's."
1521
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,969
I'm like, "That's weird,"
'cause that's just printing.
1522
01:01:17,969 --> 01:01:21,431
And he told me in my ear
when he did this
1523
01:01:21,431 --> 01:01:24,309
that it was a hot check
1524
01:01:24,309 --> 01:01:27,270
and that it was going to pay
for the hotel
1525
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:28,730
through Education Resource.
1526
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:31,733
Education Resource
was what his mom created.
1527
01:01:31,733 --> 01:01:33,902
It was a nonprofit organization.
1528
01:01:33,902 --> 01:01:35,028
But she passed away,
1529
01:01:35,028 --> 01:01:37,322
so he gained control
of the business.
1530
01:01:37,322 --> 01:01:39,074
And I was like, "So
you're printing off a check?"
1531
01:01:39,074 --> 01:01:40,950
He was like, "Yeah,
we have to print off a check
1532
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:42,160
to give to the hotel."
1533
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:43,828
He was like,
"Oh, no. It's good. It's good.
1534
01:01:43,828 --> 01:01:45,455
It'll get taken care of.
I just...
1535
01:01:45,455 --> 01:01:46,831
We'll just have to move
money around,
1536
01:01:46,831 --> 01:01:48,124
but these are gonna bounce."
1537
01:01:48,124 --> 01:01:51,044
I'm like, "Well, I don't wanna
be a part of that."
1538
01:01:51,044 --> 01:01:53,213
Did you print
fake checks
1539
01:01:53,213 --> 01:01:56,508
- to pay the hotel in, uh...
- Canton, Ohio?
1540
01:01:56,508 --> 01:01:57,759
Canton, Ohio?
- No.
1541
01:01:57,759 --> 01:01:59,427
What were you printing
at Kinko's then?
1542
01:02:00,345 --> 01:02:01,262
At Kinko's?
1543
01:02:01,262 --> 01:02:03,807
It was the...
That's like the account numbers
1544
01:02:03,807 --> 01:02:05,100
for the account that we had.
1545
01:02:05,100 --> 01:02:07,143
You put it on the check
and then pay them.
1546
01:02:07,143 --> 01:02:08,561
But we ended up paying
with credit card.
1547
01:02:08,561 --> 01:02:09,938
They needed something
to hold it.
1548
01:02:09,938 --> 01:02:11,981
We know the checks
didn't go through.
1549
01:02:11,981 --> 01:02:13,525
- That's what we know.
- It's not attempted fraud.
1550
01:02:13,525 --> 01:02:15,318
The account was valid,
there's money in the account.
1551
01:02:15,318 --> 01:02:16,945
- They know that.
They never had
a bad check.
1552
01:02:16,945 --> 01:02:18,530
And I don't know who told you
about Kinko's,
1553
01:02:18,530 --> 01:02:20,031
'cause that's not right either.
1554
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:22,325
There's no doubt in my mind
1555
01:02:22,325 --> 01:02:24,160
that Roy knowingly
bounced those checks.
1556
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,498
Anything that Roy could not pay,
he did not pay.
1557
01:02:28,498 --> 01:02:31,042
A lawsuit alleged
Coach Roy Johnson owed
1558
01:02:31,042 --> 01:02:33,461
110,000 dollars in hotel fees
1559
01:02:33,461 --> 01:02:34,462
at this Baymont Inn.
1560
01:02:34,462 --> 01:02:36,715
I think every place
the team stayed at,
1561
01:02:36,715 --> 01:02:38,675
where you would have
to pay money to stay,
1562
01:02:38,675 --> 01:02:40,593
they were evicted from.
1563
01:02:40,593 --> 01:02:42,012
We would move the kids in
1564
01:02:42,012 --> 01:02:43,430
and get the first
two months free,
1565
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:44,681
whatever it is.
1566
01:02:44,681 --> 01:02:46,307
And then, you know,
you're thinking that
1567
01:02:46,307 --> 01:02:48,810
by that time that you would have
the funding coming in
1568
01:02:48,810 --> 01:02:50,103
to continue that.
1569
01:02:50,103 --> 01:02:52,897
Getting evicted three months in
is about as quick
1570
01:02:52,897 --> 01:02:55,108
as you can get evicted.
That means you never paid
1571
01:02:55,108 --> 01:02:56,359
a single bill.
1572
01:02:56,359 --> 01:02:58,820
Hey, we can go to these places
and live there for three months
1573
01:02:58,820 --> 01:03:00,363
and not have to pay a dime.
1574
01:03:00,363 --> 01:03:02,240
And that's about the length
of the football season.
1575
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,909
Then we're out of there.
And that's what they did.
1576
01:03:04,909 --> 01:03:07,579
Roy told everybody,
"This the end of the season.
1577
01:03:07,579 --> 01:03:09,247
We got like two days
to get out."
1578
01:03:09,247 --> 01:03:10,665
I walked past
the front desk lady
1579
01:03:10,665 --> 01:03:12,208
after I packed my things up.
And she's like,
1580
01:03:12,208 --> 01:03:14,210
"Do you know why you guys
are getting kicked out?"
1581
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:16,087
And then she was like,
"He hasn't paid."
1582
01:03:16,087 --> 01:03:17,589
Since like we literally
first got there.
1583
01:03:19,716 --> 01:03:22,552
Uh, home. Everybody went home.
1584
01:03:22,552 --> 01:03:27,307
Some of these evictions
are in these kids' names.
1585
01:03:27,307 --> 01:03:29,809
That's something on your record
as an individual
1586
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:31,269
that could affect your credit,
1587
01:03:31,269 --> 01:03:35,523
that could affect your ability
to get financing in the future,
1588
01:03:35,523 --> 01:03:37,609
that could affect your ability
on where you can live,
1589
01:03:37,609 --> 01:03:39,569
what kind of apartments
you can rent in the future.
1590
01:03:39,569 --> 01:03:41,696
I know about the eviction thing.
I know about that.
1591
01:03:41,696 --> 01:03:43,365
Because after they all
moved out,
1592
01:03:44,157 --> 01:03:45,784
we didn't pay for the next month
1593
01:03:45,784 --> 01:03:47,035
and so they had to file
an eviction.
1594
01:03:47,035 --> 01:03:48,536
That's just how
the process works.
1595
01:03:48,536 --> 01:03:49,996
You had dealt with them.
1596
01:03:49,996 --> 01:03:52,165
You made sure
that they were cool.
1597
01:03:52,165 --> 01:03:54,125
- Yeah, they were-- Yeah--
They were situated
after that.
1598
01:03:54,125 --> 01:03:55,627
Yeah, they were situated home.
1599
01:03:55,627 --> 01:03:57,128
They were
taken care of.
- And they were taken care of.
1600
01:03:57,128 --> 01:03:58,463
Yeah, the eviction didn't happen
till after. Yeah.
1601
01:03:58,463 --> 01:04:01,216
Me getting evicted with
the eviction notice on the door,
1602
01:04:01,216 --> 01:04:03,968
it was more so like,
"We're getting kicked out,
1603
01:04:03,968 --> 01:04:05,762
what we gonna do?"
1604
01:04:05,762 --> 01:04:07,305
I didn't know the eviction
was on my record
1605
01:04:07,305 --> 01:04:10,100
till my mom told me.
She starts yellin' at me.
1606
01:04:10,100 --> 01:04:11,476
I'm like, "What are you yellin'
at me for?
1607
01:04:11,476 --> 01:04:13,061
I don't know
what you're talking about."
1608
01:04:13,061 --> 01:04:15,438
And then you had to get a--
Mr. Peterson got an attorney.
1609
01:04:15,438 --> 01:04:18,316
The attorney went to court,
dealt with the court situation,
1610
01:04:18,316 --> 01:04:19,567
and then we moved on.
1611
01:04:20,485 --> 01:04:22,070
He had a lawyer.
1612
01:04:22,070 --> 01:04:25,990
Bishop Sycamore, rather,
had a lawyer to help them
1613
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:27,409
with the eviction cases.
1614
01:04:27,409 --> 01:04:29,703
That lawyer then had
to turn around and sue them
1615
01:04:29,703 --> 01:04:30,912
for not paying him
1616
01:04:30,912 --> 01:04:32,539
for helping them
in the eviction cases!
1617
01:04:34,833 --> 01:04:36,793
He would try to be buddy-buddy
with the kids,
1618
01:04:36,793 --> 01:04:39,212
telling them things
that he does,
1619
01:04:39,212 --> 01:04:40,505
making it seem like it's okay
1620
01:04:40,505 --> 01:04:42,340
to get away with
that type of stuff.
1621
01:04:42,340 --> 01:04:44,467
Coach Roy made it feel like
it was okay to be a criminal.
1622
01:04:44,467 --> 01:04:46,177
Like as long as
we was gettin' this money.
1623
01:04:46,177 --> 01:04:47,929
Like, we getting this money
by any means.
1624
01:04:47,929 --> 01:04:49,347
Like, that's the thing.
By any means.
1625
01:04:51,850 --> 01:04:53,018
Ask him.
1626
01:04:54,811 --> 01:04:55,854
Ask him!
1627
01:05:01,192 --> 01:05:03,361
Come on, bro.
You don't care about us, really.
1628
01:05:03,361 --> 01:05:04,529
You care about money.
1629
01:05:04,529 --> 01:05:08,116
This man was telling kids
that you gotta pay
1630
01:05:08,116 --> 01:05:10,452
a mandatory fee
to attend this school.
1631
01:05:12,078 --> 01:05:17,292
The cost
was approximately 12,000.
1632
01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:20,003
Yeah, to this day,
I'm still receiving an invoice
1633
01:05:20,003 --> 01:05:21,171
from Bishop Sycamore,
1634
01:05:21,171 --> 01:05:23,298
and it's from
Education Resource.
1635
01:05:23,298 --> 01:05:25,592
Kids and their parents called
1636
01:05:25,592 --> 01:05:26,760
and told Coach Roy
1637
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,261
that we don't have
the money for this.
1638
01:05:28,261 --> 01:05:31,890
And Coach Roy literally said,
"I can help you with that.
1639
01:05:31,890 --> 01:05:33,391
Take out a loan."
1640
01:05:33,391 --> 01:05:36,436
Roy pressured the kids
into doing PPP loans,
1641
01:05:36,436 --> 01:05:39,314
and it made it seem
that the money was gonna go
1642
01:05:39,314 --> 01:05:40,648
towards tuition.
1643
01:05:42,192 --> 01:05:43,276
So now they're thinking
1644
01:05:43,276 --> 01:05:45,445
this is like a grant
or something.
1645
01:05:45,445 --> 01:05:47,405
And the whole time,
it's just nothing but a loan.
1646
01:05:51,576 --> 01:05:53,620
If you don't do this,
how else are you gonna cover
1647
01:05:53,620 --> 01:05:56,748
a 16,000-dollar tuition
being an 18-year-old
1648
01:05:56,748 --> 01:05:58,500
unemployed student athlete?
1649
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:00,919
They don't understand that,
okay, you do this loan,
1650
01:06:00,919 --> 01:06:02,379
this gonna go
and hit your credit.
1651
01:06:02,379 --> 01:06:04,756
They're just understanding
that 50 people wanna get D1,
1652
01:06:04,756 --> 01:06:06,091
50 people wanna go
play football.
1653
01:06:06,091 --> 01:06:07,634
But 50 people also got told,
1654
01:06:07,634 --> 01:06:09,636
"Well, this is the only way
that can happen."
1655
01:06:19,062 --> 01:06:21,064
The first day,
the parents were gone.
1656
01:06:21,064 --> 01:06:22,440
It was just us and the coaches.
1657
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,318
We had to sign a paper
with our information.
1658
01:06:25,318 --> 01:06:27,779
We signed our names,
gave our address
1659
01:06:27,779 --> 01:06:29,406
and we signed our Social.
1660
01:06:29,406 --> 01:06:32,283
After I signed it,
I immediately called my dad
1661
01:06:32,283 --> 01:06:34,869
just to get his take on it
and to see what he had to say,
1662
01:06:34,869 --> 01:06:37,580
and he was kind of upset
with me.
1663
01:06:37,580 --> 01:06:40,458
And what he told me was to just
immediately get them,
1664
01:06:40,458 --> 01:06:43,253
get the paper and discard it,
or have them discard it.
1665
01:06:43,253 --> 01:06:46,089
What did they say?
- They said that, uh,
1666
01:06:46,089 --> 01:06:47,716
they said
that they discarded it,
1667
01:06:47,716 --> 01:06:48,883
got rid of it.
1668
01:06:48,883 --> 01:06:50,301
Have you given other people
1669
01:06:50,301 --> 01:06:52,345
- your Social Security number?
- No.
1670
01:06:52,345 --> 01:06:56,057
Did you take out two PPP loans
1671
01:06:56,057 --> 01:06:58,768
for 20,833 dollars?
1672
01:07:01,187 --> 01:07:02,814
No, I don't-- I didn't--
1673
01:07:02,814 --> 01:07:04,149
I don't know anything
about that.
1674
01:07:04,149 --> 01:07:05,775
I ain't taken out no loans.
1675
01:07:07,944 --> 01:07:11,156
I didn't get any PPP loans.
We didn't get any PB loans.
1676
01:07:11,156 --> 01:07:13,116
The school didn't get
100,000 dollars,
1677
01:07:13,116 --> 01:07:15,160
500,000 dollars,
and we just had it anywhere.
1678
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:17,954
That did not happen.
I would not tell 40, 30, 20 kids
1679
01:07:17,954 --> 01:07:19,372
to all take out PPP loans
1680
01:07:19,372 --> 01:07:20,790
from the United States government.
1681
01:07:20,790 --> 01:07:22,584
I don't even trust
the United States government.
1682
01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:24,169
They were just on my ass.
1683
01:07:24,169 --> 01:07:26,004
With Coach Roy, he's smart.
1684
01:07:26,004 --> 01:07:28,506
He-- He'll play you so dumb
to your face
1685
01:07:28,506 --> 01:07:29,799
to the point
where you will think
1686
01:07:29,799 --> 01:07:31,051
he's dumbfounded
to the situation.
1687
01:07:31,051 --> 01:07:32,385
But don't do it
because he's smart.
1688
01:07:32,385 --> 01:07:34,846
Like, he's smart. Real smart.
He'll play you.
1689
01:07:34,846 --> 01:07:36,806
Legally, I did not commit
any fraud.
1690
01:07:38,016 --> 01:07:40,185
I just hang out in the gray.
1691
01:07:40,185 --> 01:07:42,645
What do they call me?
Loophole Leroy?
1692
01:07:42,645 --> 01:07:45,398
- ♪ (LOW MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1693
01:07:45,398 --> 01:07:49,486
So one morning,
the sun barely coming up.
1694
01:07:53,823 --> 01:07:55,700
There's five geese on the road.
1695
01:07:59,037 --> 01:08:01,956
This man goes full speed...
1696
01:08:04,042 --> 01:08:08,588
...and ran the geese over
with no remorse.
1697
01:08:08,588 --> 01:08:11,007
Did you ever run over
a gaggle of geese?
1698
01:08:11,007 --> 01:08:12,425
- Yeah.
Oh, you did?
1699
01:08:12,425 --> 01:08:14,302
Mm-hm. Yes, it was a geese.
1700
01:08:14,302 --> 01:08:16,262
But I guess, because
there were multiple there,
1701
01:08:16,262 --> 01:08:17,389
that would be considered
1702
01:08:17,389 --> 01:08:18,890
running over multiple geese, yes.
1703
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:21,559
This man says,
"I gotta show you niggas
1704
01:08:22,769 --> 01:08:24,604
what it's like to go to war.
1705
01:08:24,604 --> 01:08:28,400
It ain't nothing like the smell
of fresh blood in the morning."
1706
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:29,901
What happened is,
it was by accident.
1707
01:08:29,901 --> 01:08:31,236
But then after I ran it over,
1708
01:08:31,236 --> 01:08:33,196
then I had to make
a joke about it.
1709
01:08:34,072 --> 01:08:35,824
And he reverses full speed.
1710
01:08:39,661 --> 01:08:42,247
Like, if you do that
to some birds...
1711
01:08:44,082 --> 01:08:46,793
and then you justify it
by saying that,
1712
01:08:46,793 --> 01:08:50,797
imagine what else you would do.
Imagine what you're capable of.
1713
01:08:52,257 --> 01:08:54,092
♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1714
01:08:54,092 --> 01:08:55,427
Early on in the season,
1715
01:08:55,427 --> 01:08:57,762
we came out for practice
one morning...
1716
01:08:59,055 --> 01:09:00,890
and then there's a homeless man
1717
01:09:00,890 --> 01:09:02,475
like trying to get
into Roy's car.
1718
01:09:02,475 --> 01:09:04,477
So when I walk out
the front of the building,
1719
01:09:04,477 --> 01:09:06,771
my car door is open
and somebody's in it,
1720
01:09:06,771 --> 01:09:09,065
like, you know,
looking for something, whatever.
1721
01:09:09,065 --> 01:09:11,067
This person looks up.
And when I look up,
1722
01:09:11,067 --> 01:09:13,153
it's not a player.
It's just some guy.
1723
01:09:13,778 --> 01:09:16,364
So I was like, "Yo!"
1724
01:09:16,364 --> 01:09:19,909
This guy had my cell phone,
my wallet, my stuff.
1725
01:09:19,909 --> 01:09:21,161
So he turns around
1726
01:09:21,161 --> 01:09:23,288
and I was like,
"Bruh, you don't want this."
1727
01:09:24,622 --> 01:09:27,167
'Cause at this point, now
a bunch of players were in it.
1728
01:09:28,376 --> 01:09:29,627
I told the team
1729
01:09:29,627 --> 01:09:31,504
the reason he's acting
like this...
1730
01:09:33,423 --> 01:09:36,217
is because he never had a dad
whoop his ass.
1731
01:09:36,217 --> 01:09:37,635
And then he took his belt off.
1732
01:09:37,635 --> 01:09:39,429
He literally whipped him
with the belt.
1733
01:09:39,429 --> 01:09:40,680
The homeless dude with the belt.
1734
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,932
- I just started smacking him
1735
01:09:42,932 --> 01:09:45,477
on his butt until he gave me
my stuff.
1736
01:09:45,477 --> 01:09:47,479
And I think he by accident,
'cause he maybe turned,
1737
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,564
got hit, like, you know,
on the arm and the face, but...
1738
01:09:50,857 --> 01:09:52,484
That went on for like a little,
probably five minutes,
1739
01:09:52,484 --> 01:09:55,320
and then everybody on the team
just got licks in.
1740
01:09:56,529 --> 01:09:58,615
The homeless guy,
after the fight, he walked away
1741
01:09:58,615 --> 01:10:00,533
with his, like,
holding his ribs.
1742
01:10:00,533 --> 01:10:02,285
Like, he didn't have
his bike anymore
1743
01:10:02,285 --> 01:10:03,787
'cause they broke his bike.
1744
01:10:05,497 --> 01:10:07,415
And the police show up,
and they're like,
1745
01:10:07,415 --> 01:10:09,000
"What happened,
what's going on?"
1746
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:10,502
And he's laying there
and he's like...
1747
01:10:13,171 --> 01:10:16,257
"I knew I shouldn't have broke
in his car and took his stuff.
1748
01:10:16,257 --> 01:10:17,342
But they shouldn't--
1749
01:10:17,342 --> 01:10:18,593
They shouldn't have done me
like that.
1750
01:10:18,593 --> 01:10:20,011
There was like
a hundred of them.
1751
01:10:20,011 --> 01:10:21,388
A hundred of them!"
1752
01:10:21,388 --> 01:10:24,349
And I was-- I was just like--
I would never get involved
1753
01:10:24,349 --> 01:10:26,017
in anything like that.
So I was kinda like
1754
01:10:26,017 --> 01:10:27,268
standing there as a bystander.
1755
01:10:27,268 --> 01:10:29,020
I'm like, "This is not
where I wanna be at all."
1756
01:10:29,020 --> 01:10:30,397
And I was like--
I was just shook.
1757
01:10:30,397 --> 01:10:35,193
My son called me, and he said,
"Mom, I wanna come home."
1758
01:10:35,193 --> 01:10:38,405
He was really adamant,
like, "I wanna come home."
1759
01:10:38,405 --> 01:10:39,864
So when they were
taking him in,
1760
01:10:39,864 --> 01:10:42,117
'cause he said he had to go
to the hospital, he was like,
1761
01:10:42,117 --> 01:10:44,202
"Am I gonna get pain meds
for this?"
1762
01:10:46,538 --> 01:10:48,373
All my kids are in college,
1763
01:10:48,373 --> 01:10:50,083
but I got one kid
staying at home
1764
01:10:50,083 --> 01:10:51,543
'cause he doesn't trust men,
1765
01:10:51,543 --> 01:10:53,461
he can't play football,
1766
01:10:53,461 --> 01:10:57,173
he can't do anything
'cause you fucked him up.
1767
01:10:57,173 --> 01:10:59,384
You royally fucked my kid up.
1768
01:10:59,384 --> 01:11:02,345
- ♪ (MUSIC FADES) ♪
1769
01:11:10,311 --> 01:11:11,646
There's a lot of anger in me.
1770
01:11:11,646 --> 01:11:14,566
Insecurity, fear, and hurt
comes out as anger.
1771
01:11:14,566 --> 01:11:16,484
I don't want people
to see me upset
1772
01:11:16,484 --> 01:11:18,403
or I don't want people
to know that I'm scared,
1773
01:11:18,403 --> 01:11:20,697
so you come out with anger.
1774
01:11:20,697 --> 01:11:23,908
And it's not really the anger
that gets me in trouble.
1775
01:11:23,908 --> 01:11:26,786
It's the aggression
that comes out of it.
1776
01:11:27,912 --> 01:11:30,415
That "fold 'em" side of me
never comes out.
1777
01:11:30,415 --> 01:11:32,083
And what I mean
by a "fold 'em" side,
1778
01:11:32,083 --> 01:11:33,251
you've gotta know
when to hold 'em,
1779
01:11:33,251 --> 01:11:34,377
know when to fold 'em,
1780
01:11:34,377 --> 01:11:36,755
know when to walk away,
know when to run.
1781
01:11:36,755 --> 01:11:39,758
Fold 'em, walk away, run,
not in my DNA.
1782
01:11:41,217 --> 01:11:42,427
Good morning, Mr. Johnson.
1783
01:11:42,427 --> 01:11:44,929
You are charged
with domestic violence,
1784
01:11:44,929 --> 01:11:47,599
which alleges that you did
knowingly cause physical harm
1785
01:11:47,599 --> 01:11:49,434
to a family
or household member.
1786
01:11:49,434 --> 01:11:53,355
So, one of the-- the--
the things we didn't talk about
1787
01:11:53,355 --> 01:11:54,731
the last time you were here
1788
01:11:54,731 --> 01:11:56,483
that we feel like
we have to address
1789
01:11:56,483 --> 01:11:58,443
is the domestic abuse warrant
1790
01:11:58,443 --> 01:12:00,695
that you had out for your arrest
during the IMG game.
1791
01:12:00,695 --> 01:12:01,905
- Mm-hmm.
- ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1792
01:12:01,905 --> 01:12:04,657
Can you explain
that situation to us?
1793
01:12:05,700 --> 01:12:07,869
I had a charge
with domestic violence.
1794
01:12:08,828 --> 01:12:11,206
I was supposed to go
to therapy for it.
1795
01:12:11,206 --> 01:12:12,624
I went to therapy,
1796
01:12:12,624 --> 01:12:14,793
I didn't complete the therapy,
and there was a warrant issued.
1797
01:12:14,793 --> 01:12:16,544
These are
serious allegations, obviously.
1798
01:12:16,544 --> 01:12:18,963
The victim did suffer
visible injuries
1799
01:12:18,963 --> 01:12:20,548
from this incident.
1800
01:12:20,548 --> 01:12:24,135
She had a busted lip
and there was blood on her chin
1801
01:12:24,135 --> 01:12:25,637
when officers arrived.
1802
01:12:28,473 --> 01:12:30,350
Did you ever hit her?
- No.
1803
01:12:31,601 --> 01:12:35,480
I lived with Coach Roy
for about four months.
1804
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:39,818
I saw him on a weekly basis
get violent with his girlfriend.
1805
01:12:41,528 --> 01:12:44,781
And on a daily, he got
verbally abusive with her.
1806
01:12:45,323 --> 01:12:46,700
On a daily.
1807
01:12:47,534 --> 01:12:48,868
Why would people say
1808
01:12:48,868 --> 01:12:50,870
you were physically abusive
if you weren't?
1809
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:52,789
I don't know.
1810
01:12:52,789 --> 01:12:54,791
So, in my head,
when you say physically abusive,
1811
01:12:54,791 --> 01:12:56,668
I never smacked her,
I never grabbed her by the head,
1812
01:12:56,668 --> 01:12:58,753
threw her against the wall,
never any of that. So...
1813
01:12:58,753 --> 01:13:00,463
Especially in front
of the players.
1814
01:13:00,463 --> 01:13:02,882
I wanna say
my second week there,
1815
01:13:02,882 --> 01:13:05,552
I hear him
and Miss Ashley arguing.
1816
01:13:07,554 --> 01:13:09,347
I just so happened to look up.
1817
01:13:09,347 --> 01:13:11,683
He slaps Miss Ashley,
1818
01:13:11,683 --> 01:13:14,102
"You stupid bitch! Look--
Look what you made me do
1819
01:13:14,102 --> 01:13:16,187
in front of my players."
1820
01:13:17,397 --> 01:13:19,524
- We get in the car...
1821
01:13:21,109 --> 01:13:23,737
And he's laughing about it,
like, "Yeah, man.
1822
01:13:23,737 --> 01:13:25,321
Look what I had to do to her.
1823
01:13:25,321 --> 01:13:26,573
Look what she made me do."
1824
01:13:26,573 --> 01:13:28,908
The victim has also indicated
that she ended up
1825
01:13:28,908 --> 01:13:31,661
in the hospital last week
due to the defendant's actions,
1826
01:13:31,661 --> 01:13:33,371
although he took her
to the hospital
1827
01:13:33,371 --> 01:13:34,914
and told her to tell them
1828
01:13:34,914 --> 01:13:37,542
that she, I think,
fell off a ladder.
1829
01:13:37,542 --> 01:13:40,170
How would I have responded
if my daughter came home
1830
01:13:40,170 --> 01:13:41,629
and said
that situation happened, right?
1831
01:13:41,629 --> 01:13:43,048
'Cause that's really
what it boils down to.
1832
01:13:43,048 --> 01:13:44,341
I'd have whooped his ass.
1833
01:13:44,341 --> 01:13:47,052
Would I send my kids to a school
1834
01:13:47,052 --> 01:13:50,180
if I knew the principal had
a domestic violence charge? No.
1835
01:13:51,222 --> 01:13:52,640
Simple as that.
1836
01:13:55,268 --> 01:13:57,687
So, you know,
there are some titles in society
1837
01:13:57,687 --> 01:14:00,065
that confer authority upon you.
1838
01:14:00,065 --> 01:14:03,151
Once you're a doctor,
you're not Mr. or Mrs.
1839
01:14:03,151 --> 01:14:05,028
or Miss anymore, you're Dr.
1840
01:14:05,028 --> 01:14:08,448
That's the title
that we refer to you by always.
1841
01:14:09,324 --> 01:14:11,534
And "Coach" is that same way.
1842
01:14:11,534 --> 01:14:13,953
Like that, in this society,
is seen as somebody
1843
01:14:13,953 --> 01:14:15,163
who is a leader of men
1844
01:14:15,163 --> 01:14:18,208
and someone who is supposed
to guide young men
1845
01:14:18,208 --> 01:14:20,210
and make them better
and teach them
1846
01:14:20,210 --> 01:14:22,420
all of these values.
1847
01:14:22,420 --> 01:14:25,382
And that's what
all these kids were told.
1848
01:14:25,382 --> 01:14:28,426
And then they ultimately
see Coach
1849
01:14:28,426 --> 01:14:31,596
beating up his girlfriend
in front of them.
1850
01:14:31,596 --> 01:14:36,726
They ultimately find out
that Coach is a con man.
1851
01:14:36,726 --> 01:14:39,604
I saw an opportunity that
I thought could change my life,
1852
01:14:39,604 --> 01:14:42,315
and once I really,
you know, figured out
1853
01:14:42,315 --> 01:14:44,442
that they couldn't help me
and they're wasting my time,
1854
01:14:44,442 --> 01:14:45,694
that kind of...
1855
01:14:46,653 --> 01:14:49,656
That hurt me, like,
in a dramatic way.
1856
01:14:49,656 --> 01:14:51,616
I was feeling sick.
1857
01:14:51,616 --> 01:14:54,828
Um, feeling very sick
when it fell apart.
1858
01:14:54,828 --> 01:14:58,039
Feeling hurt. Um, asking why.
1859
01:15:00,542 --> 01:15:01,626
Well, I told my mom,
1860
01:15:01,626 --> 01:15:04,462
"I don't even wanna be here
no more."
1861
01:15:04,462 --> 01:15:06,631
You know,
I was losing everything.
1862
01:15:09,009 --> 01:15:12,887
I know what hurt is.
I know what depression is.
1863
01:15:14,597 --> 01:15:19,227
I was lost, you know?
What's my next move?
1864
01:15:20,311 --> 01:15:22,063
When Trilian
wanted to kill himself,
1865
01:15:22,063 --> 01:15:23,732
I was just thinking
about how many other kids
1866
01:15:23,732 --> 01:15:25,483
are out there feeling
the same way.
1867
01:15:25,483 --> 01:15:26,985
How do I tell my momma
that like,
1868
01:15:26,985 --> 01:15:29,404
"Mom, I'm at a school
where a coach wants me
1869
01:15:29,404 --> 01:15:30,613
to do the same illegal stuff
1870
01:15:30,613 --> 01:15:31,990
that you tried to get me
away from"?
1871
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:34,909
It was over for me with football
and just school in general.
1872
01:15:34,909 --> 01:15:38,913
I just... After I left, I was...
1873
01:15:38,913 --> 01:15:42,000
I was pretty much just done,
like, with everything.
1874
01:15:43,668 --> 01:15:46,338
That took me to a...
1875
01:15:49,215 --> 01:15:50,633
very dark place.
1876
01:15:51,801 --> 01:15:53,345
If I didn't go
to Bishop Sycamore...
1877
01:15:55,013 --> 01:15:57,682
I'd be showing my ass
at college right now...
1878
01:15:58,683 --> 01:16:02,187
ballin', as we're speaking.
1879
01:16:02,187 --> 01:16:04,522
I'll still be having some pain
in my lower back,
1880
01:16:04,522 --> 01:16:06,149
so I just deal with it.
1881
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:09,694
I feel like they left me
with a permanent injury.
1882
01:16:09,694 --> 01:16:13,865
I do regret going
to Bishop Sycamore. I do.
1883
01:16:13,865 --> 01:16:16,576
I tried to take this opportunity
as far as I can go.
1884
01:16:16,576 --> 01:16:18,745
And this has
really just broken me
1885
01:16:18,745 --> 01:16:20,205
all the way down.
1886
01:16:20,663 --> 01:16:21,998
All the way.
1887
01:16:21,998 --> 01:16:24,042
I need a second,
I'm crying and shit.
1888
01:16:28,046 --> 01:16:29,214
Shit hard.
1889
01:16:34,511 --> 01:16:36,763
I swear I never cried
in my life.
1890
01:16:36,763 --> 01:16:38,890
I'll call my mom right now.
1891
01:16:41,643 --> 01:16:43,269
Fuck.
1892
01:16:43,269 --> 01:16:45,730
I tried to make a better life
for my family.
1893
01:16:45,730 --> 01:16:47,315
I can't do it now.
1894
01:16:56,366 --> 01:16:57,909
How can you do that to kids?
1895
01:17:00,245 --> 01:17:03,373
Take them from their parents
and destroy their dream.
1896
01:17:03,373 --> 01:17:04,791
How can you do that?
1897
01:17:06,418 --> 01:17:07,669
How?
1898
01:17:14,592 --> 01:17:18,054
Coach Roy is evil.
1899
01:17:18,054 --> 01:17:23,101
This man told me, all I gotta do
is play football...
1900
01:17:24,394 --> 01:17:25,979
to obtain my dream.
1901
01:17:25,979 --> 01:17:27,814
The whole time,
he tellin' me that
1902
01:17:27,814 --> 01:17:30,650
just so he could benefit
off of it.
1903
01:17:32,777 --> 01:17:34,112
That's evil.
1904
01:17:36,614 --> 01:17:38,074
How do you respond to that?
1905
01:17:38,742 --> 01:17:40,869
Can we take a break? Please.
1906
01:17:40,869 --> 01:17:43,204
Sure.
- That's some fucking bullshit.
1907
01:17:51,963 --> 01:17:53,840
These motherfuckers, man.
1908
01:18:00,597 --> 01:18:02,223
Bruh, Pahokee?
1909
01:18:02,223 --> 01:18:03,975
How many tourneys
we paid for you?
1910
01:18:03,975 --> 01:18:06,061
Oklahoma just literally
hit us up, man, about him.
1911
01:18:06,061 --> 01:18:09,022
And I said-- I said, Pahokee--
See, here's what I don't like.
1912
01:18:09,022 --> 01:18:10,982
What I don't like,
in trying to develop this,
1913
01:18:10,982 --> 01:18:12,359
is that everything is cool.
1914
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:13,526
I get where you're coming from.
1915
01:18:13,526 --> 01:18:15,320
But, dawg, y'all had problems
with doing us this stuff,
1916
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:17,739
and we'd clean it up for you,
we take it up for you.
1917
01:18:17,739 --> 01:18:20,158
When you talk about Pahokee...
1918
01:18:20,158 --> 01:18:21,701
I can't even explain to you
the things
1919
01:18:21,701 --> 01:18:23,828
that we did for Pahokee.
1920
01:18:23,828 --> 01:18:25,872
Man, ain't nobody recovering
from that.
1921
01:18:25,872 --> 01:18:27,665
I'm telling you why they're not
gonna recover from that.
1922
01:18:27,665 --> 01:18:29,167
'Cause it's not about recovering.
1923
01:18:31,002 --> 01:18:32,837
It's about recovering
because I gotta do that
1924
01:18:32,837 --> 01:18:35,090
for my son
and my family, because--
1925
01:18:35,090 --> 01:18:36,508
Bruh,
I don't need to recover
1926
01:18:36,508 --> 01:18:37,801
from something I didn't do.
1927
01:18:37,801 --> 01:18:39,386
Regardless of whatever
people say,
1928
01:18:39,386 --> 01:18:41,096
you always desire to be liked.
1929
01:18:41,096 --> 01:18:43,431
You always desire to--
The same way you feel
1930
01:18:43,431 --> 01:18:44,683
about somebody,
1931
01:18:44,683 --> 01:18:47,310
they feel
about you the same way.
1932
01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:50,105
And I think that's part
of the struggle, is...
1933
01:18:50,105 --> 01:18:53,191
those kids know that
I would do anything for them.
1934
01:18:53,191 --> 01:18:54,818
So now that you fucked up
and you coming here,
1935
01:18:54,818 --> 01:18:56,236
you need the opportunity,
you get it.
1936
01:18:56,236 --> 01:18:57,696
Yeah, the ESPN shit messed up
so that's why you didn't get it.
1937
01:18:57,696 --> 01:18:58,780
All right, Pahokee, I get it.
But you, Pahokee,
1938
01:18:58,780 --> 01:19:00,198
he only care about himself?
1939
01:19:00,198 --> 01:19:02,200
If I only cared about myself,
why'd I spend all that money
1940
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:03,535
on clothes and food
and flying them
1941
01:19:03,535 --> 01:19:05,495
all over the place,
sending them to camps, all this,
1942
01:19:05,495 --> 01:19:06,830
paying for attorneys
and all that,
1943
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:08,289
if I only care about myself?
What's my benefit from that?
1944
01:19:08,289 --> 01:19:11,042
- And then I--
- And you got screwed on in IMG.
1945
01:19:11,042 --> 01:19:11,960
And-- And--
1946
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:14,129
Regardless of whatever happens,
1947
01:19:14,129 --> 01:19:17,882
you know, we still would do
whatever we can.
1948
01:19:17,882 --> 01:19:19,718
Zyshaun... Zyshaun knows.
1949
01:19:19,718 --> 01:19:20,927
Like we're still trying
to get Zyshaun
1950
01:19:20,927 --> 01:19:23,513
- in a school somewhere.
- Bruh, it is not--
1951
01:19:23,513 --> 01:19:24,848
There's no way to win it.
1952
01:19:24,848 --> 01:19:26,725
Roy, what did you do wrong?
What would you change?
1953
01:19:26,725 --> 01:19:28,435
I should've sent y'all home.
I was dumb.
1954
01:19:28,435 --> 01:19:30,729
I was egotistical. I thought
I could actually do it.
1955
01:19:30,729 --> 01:19:31,980
I got too emotionally
wrapped up.
1956
01:19:31,980 --> 01:19:33,523
I thought I could pull it.
And I did and I didn't.
1957
01:19:33,523 --> 01:19:34,941
Because I did that,
I dragged you into something.
1958
01:19:34,941 --> 01:19:36,109
I should've sent you home.
1959
01:19:36,109 --> 01:19:37,485
The minute the church said
it was over with,
1960
01:19:37,485 --> 01:19:39,863
I should've walked away.
1961
01:19:39,863 --> 01:19:42,240
That's what I should've done.
Should've shut it down.
1962
01:19:43,116 --> 01:19:46,036
♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1963
01:19:48,288 --> 01:19:51,583
I don't think
that he could have
1964
01:19:51,583 --> 01:19:55,045
possibly let them down any more
1965
01:19:55,045 --> 01:19:58,131
had he been in their lives
in any other capacity
1966
01:19:58,131 --> 01:19:59,924
short of being their fathers.
1967
01:19:59,924 --> 01:20:02,761
Because the coach is seen
as another father.
1968
01:20:02,761 --> 01:20:04,220
And that's what he exploited.
1969
01:20:04,220 --> 01:20:07,932
He exploited the goodwill
that comes from the expectation
1970
01:20:07,932 --> 01:20:12,103
that this is a person who's here
to make young men better.
1971
01:20:12,103 --> 01:20:15,607
But that's not what they got.
They got him, right?
1972
01:20:15,607 --> 01:20:17,609
They got his pursuit of profit.
1973
01:20:17,609 --> 01:20:20,862
They got his pursuit of glory.
1974
01:20:20,862 --> 01:20:22,947
How do you justify
doing it for the kids
1975
01:20:22,947 --> 01:20:25,617
when almost every kid
we talked to
1976
01:20:25,617 --> 01:20:27,327
said it just broke him?
1977
01:20:27,327 --> 01:20:29,120
So, there's that part of me
that wants to go,
1978
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,832
"You entitled, selfish,
lying-ass niggas!"
1979
01:20:34,626 --> 01:20:38,505
I saved you a year.
Guess why you were coming there?
1980
01:20:38,505 --> 01:20:41,383
Because you didn't have
a college to go to anyway.
1981
01:20:43,051 --> 01:20:44,469
That's why you came.
1982
01:20:45,845 --> 01:20:47,764
So because you had nowhere
to go, you came.
1983
01:20:47,764 --> 01:20:51,267
And you came
to get that extra year.
1984
01:20:51,267 --> 01:20:54,562
It served its purpose.
It gave you a chance to do that.
1985
01:20:54,562 --> 01:20:55,939
How did I dash your dream?
1986
01:20:55,939 --> 01:20:57,524
How did I keep you
from going anywhere?
1987
01:20:57,524 --> 01:20:59,150
You still went to college.
1988
01:20:59,150 --> 01:21:02,862
♪ (HOPEFUL MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
1989
01:21:02,862 --> 01:21:04,906
From the time
Bishop Sycamore ended,
1990
01:21:04,906 --> 01:21:06,574
I flew back to Texas.
1991
01:21:06,574 --> 01:21:09,411
And then as I was in Texas,
I was just training every day
1992
01:21:09,411 --> 01:21:11,538
and seeing my family,
being around friends.
1993
01:21:11,538 --> 01:21:15,000
But just training,
make sure I was always on top.
1994
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,459
I was thinking,
anything could happen,
1995
01:21:16,459 --> 01:21:19,254
so just train,
keep training, never settle.
1996
01:21:19,254 --> 01:21:21,297
So one of my trainers
I was training with,
1997
01:21:21,297 --> 01:21:24,259
he got me in contact
with Grambling State.
1998
01:21:26,261 --> 01:21:29,723
Grambling State is known
for being an all-Black college,
1999
01:21:29,723 --> 01:21:32,767
um, but also
the coaches there...
2000
01:21:32,767 --> 01:21:35,270
You have Hue Jackson
that coached in the NFL.
2001
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:36,980
Hue Jackson
is the former head coach
2002
01:21:36,980 --> 01:21:39,441
of the Oakland Raiders
and the Cleveland Browns
2003
01:21:39,441 --> 01:21:41,609
and has a great reputation
in the NFL
2004
01:21:41,609 --> 01:21:43,611
for working with quarterbacks.
2005
01:21:43,611 --> 01:21:44,988
He is one of those guys.
2006
01:21:44,988 --> 01:21:46,489
You want your quarterback
to get better?
2007
01:21:46,489 --> 01:21:47,824
You call Hue Jackson.
2008
01:21:47,824 --> 01:21:48,992
So for Trilian,
2009
01:21:48,992 --> 01:21:52,120
perfect person for him
to play for.
2010
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:53,997
Hue, you know,
loved him.
2011
01:21:53,997 --> 01:21:56,458
He said he loves your size.
He loves your ability.
2012
01:21:56,458 --> 01:21:59,294
He loves the way that you think
as a quarterback.
2013
01:21:59,294 --> 01:22:01,629
So, Trilian got the phone call.
2014
01:22:01,629 --> 01:22:04,049
And I was in a whole other room
2015
01:22:04,049 --> 01:22:06,051
and all I hear him doing
is screaming.
2016
01:22:09,763 --> 01:22:12,640
Hey, no. On God. I'm committing!
2017
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:13,850
What? What? What?
2018
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:15,435
Then he was like,
"I got the offer.
2019
01:22:15,435 --> 01:22:17,312
I got the offer."
I was like, "What offer?"
2020
01:22:17,312 --> 01:22:18,563
He's like, "To Grambling State."
2021
01:22:18,563 --> 01:22:20,440
I'm like,
"You're freaking kidding me."
2022
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:22,942
I'm committed now, dude.
What you mean?
2023
01:22:24,069 --> 01:22:25,779
I want him to go to a HBCU.
2024
01:22:25,779 --> 01:22:28,073
Hey, I'm--
Oh, I'm committed now!
2025
01:22:28,073 --> 01:22:30,367
I felt that I'm living
my dream, you know?
2026
01:22:30,367 --> 01:22:31,868
Like even though
I'm not there yet,
2027
01:22:31,868 --> 01:22:33,328
I'm living my dreams.
2028
01:22:33,995 --> 01:22:35,205
I was very excited.
2029
01:22:35,205 --> 01:22:37,665
And so that's why I got
these tears coming out
2030
01:22:37,665 --> 01:22:39,668
'cause, you know,
I knew I have...
2031
01:22:39,668 --> 01:22:41,127
I can make it at a HBCU.
2032
01:22:41,127 --> 01:22:42,587
♪ ("ME OR SUM"
BY NARDO WICK PLAYS) ♪
2033
01:22:42,587 --> 01:22:44,297
♪ Now she think she me or sum ♪
2034
01:22:44,297 --> 01:22:48,301
Let's ride, let's get it
and let's go, you know? So...
2035
01:22:48,301 --> 01:22:50,970
I cried.
It's gonna make me cry now...
2036
01:22:52,097 --> 01:22:53,765
Um, 'cause it's not happening.
2037
01:22:53,765 --> 01:22:55,100
So...
2038
01:22:56,226 --> 01:22:58,186
♪ (HOPEFUL MUSIC STOPS) ♪
2039
01:22:58,186 --> 01:23:00,980
As soon as they found out
about, you know,
2040
01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:03,608
Bishop Sycamore,
everything went left.
2041
01:23:03,608 --> 01:23:04,818
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
2042
01:23:04,818 --> 01:23:06,069
And as soon as I thought
2043
01:23:06,069 --> 01:23:08,279
that I was actually happy,
2044
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:11,241
I found out my Grambling offer
got taken away
2045
01:23:11,241 --> 01:23:13,618
because I went
to Bishop Sycamore.
2046
01:23:14,285 --> 01:23:15,787
He basically said,
2047
01:23:15,787 --> 01:23:18,623
you know, that we are not gonna
be able to enroll you
2048
01:23:18,623 --> 01:23:21,376
into Grambling because it wasn't
even a real school.
2049
01:23:23,294 --> 01:23:24,963
We're talking about Grambling
2050
01:23:24,963 --> 01:23:26,297
and now we're talking
about a player
2051
01:23:26,297 --> 01:23:29,342
who spent a year at a school
that did not exist.
2052
01:23:29,342 --> 01:23:33,221
They don't have the manpower
and the money to do everything
2053
01:23:33,221 --> 01:23:34,347
that would have been necessary
2054
01:23:34,347 --> 01:23:36,141
in order to get that young man
in school.
2055
01:23:36,141 --> 01:23:38,184
And that's the tragic irony
of it all.
2056
01:23:38,184 --> 01:23:40,437
It might have been
the perfect place for him,
2057
01:23:40,437 --> 01:23:42,814
but probably doesn't have
the access
2058
01:23:42,814 --> 01:23:44,482
to the resources necessary
2059
01:23:44,482 --> 01:23:47,110
to help somebody
who needed what he needed
2060
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:49,279
to get past the NCAA.
2061
01:23:49,279 --> 01:23:53,575
So, of course, we're devastated.
Start crying.
2062
01:23:53,575 --> 01:23:56,494
Trilian's like...
He wanna give up.
2063
01:23:56,494 --> 01:23:58,997
I broke down.
Broke down. I went to the room.
2064
01:23:58,997 --> 01:24:00,457
I broke down crying.
2065
01:24:02,667 --> 01:24:04,544
I'm supposed
to be living my dream.
2066
01:24:06,171 --> 01:24:07,714
You know,
I was supposed to be the one
2067
01:24:07,714 --> 01:24:09,007
to show the little homies
2068
01:24:09,007 --> 01:24:10,967
that whatever you go through,
you can make it.
2069
01:24:10,967 --> 01:24:12,677
You feel me? You can go D1.
2070
01:24:14,846 --> 01:24:17,849
To Roy,
it's basically a fuck you.
2071
01:24:17,849 --> 01:24:19,184
You feel me?
2072
01:24:19,184 --> 01:24:21,519
And I'm gonna say it on camera.
It's a fuck you.
2073
01:24:25,940 --> 01:24:30,362
I think race plays
an important role in this story.
2074
01:24:30,362 --> 01:24:32,364
The fact
that the players are Black
2075
01:24:32,364 --> 01:24:34,449
is the reason why somebody
like Roy Johnson
2076
01:24:34,449 --> 01:24:36,743
would think that he could
get away with this.
2077
01:24:36,743 --> 01:24:39,371
I don't view this in the way
a lot of other people do
2078
01:24:39,371 --> 01:24:41,623
and say, "Man, how could you
do this to your people?"
2079
01:24:41,623 --> 01:24:42,624
He did that to his people
2080
01:24:42,624 --> 01:24:44,668
because that's who
you can do this to.
2081
01:24:44,668 --> 01:24:49,047
Black players are the commodity
in athletics.
2082
01:24:49,047 --> 01:24:51,591
They are the prize
that everybody wants
2083
01:24:51,591 --> 01:24:54,678
and they are also
the least respected people
2084
01:24:54,678 --> 01:24:56,304
in the whole process.
2085
01:24:56,304 --> 01:24:58,473
So, yeah,
he was going to do this
2086
01:24:58,473 --> 01:25:00,809
to Black people.
2087
01:25:00,809 --> 01:25:04,354
An update tonight
on the Bishop Sycamore
High School controversy.
2088
01:25:04,354 --> 01:25:07,023
So, in spite of
what had been happening
2089
01:25:07,023 --> 01:25:08,983
at Bishop Sycamore
and just who they were,
2090
01:25:08,983 --> 01:25:11,152
it took the ESPN game
2091
01:25:11,152 --> 01:25:13,279
for the state of Ohio
to care at all.
2092
01:25:13,279 --> 01:25:15,740
Now Governor DeWine is calling
for an investigation
2093
01:25:15,740 --> 01:25:17,075
into Bishop Sycamore.
2094
01:25:17,075 --> 01:25:19,911
The state of Ohio
was embarrassed by this
2095
01:25:19,911 --> 01:25:22,205
because this happened
on their watch.
2096
01:25:22,205 --> 01:25:24,124
And so the governor,
Mike DeWine,
2097
01:25:24,124 --> 01:25:26,251
has an investigation
into this one school.
2098
01:25:26,251 --> 01:25:28,545
What I hope comes out
of the investigation
2099
01:25:28,545 --> 01:25:29,754
is the truth.
2100
01:25:29,754 --> 01:25:31,339
Uh, there's a story here
2101
01:25:31,339 --> 01:25:33,425
and it doesn't sound like
a very pretty story.
2102
01:25:33,425 --> 01:25:36,344
They produce
a 79-page document
2103
01:25:36,344 --> 01:25:38,596
that says Bishop Sycamore
is a scam
2104
01:25:38,596 --> 01:25:41,933
and that it's not a real school
at all.
2105
01:25:41,933 --> 01:25:45,186
They call the thing
explicitly a scam,
2106
01:25:45,186 --> 01:25:50,191
and then said they couldn't do
a damn thing about it.
2107
01:25:57,282 --> 01:25:59,784
As it turns out,
there's no law saying
2108
01:25:59,784 --> 01:26:02,454
you can't run a fake school.
2109
01:26:02,454 --> 01:26:05,957
This report doesn't do anything
to prevent them
2110
01:26:05,957 --> 01:26:07,959
from playing football
in the future.
2111
01:26:07,959 --> 01:26:10,378
It doesn't make anything
they have done illegal.
2112
01:26:10,378 --> 01:26:13,798
It doesn't send anyone to jail
or accuse anyone of any crimes.
2113
01:26:13,798 --> 01:26:16,718
It basically just scolds them
for 79 pages.
2114
01:26:21,222 --> 01:26:23,725
How is it that not one person
was like,
2115
01:26:23,725 --> 01:26:25,560
"Hey, we need to put a law
in here to say
2116
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,145
that you can't make up
a school."
2117
01:26:27,145 --> 01:26:29,481
And the answer is very simple.
2118
01:26:29,481 --> 01:26:33,026
Nobody thought
anybody would make up a school.
2119
01:26:33,026 --> 01:26:34,694
Who would do such a thing?
2120
01:26:35,695 --> 01:26:37,489
All they could do
was shrug their shoulders
2121
01:26:37,489 --> 01:26:39,324
and be like,
"Man, that's fucked up."
2122
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:43,953
So what's the difference
between a school
2123
01:26:43,953 --> 01:26:45,080
like IMG Academy
2124
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:47,374
and a school
like Bishop Sycamore?
2125
01:26:47,374 --> 01:26:49,709
Ultimately, they all have
the same purpose,
2126
01:26:49,709 --> 01:26:51,503
which is to be a place
2127
01:26:51,503 --> 01:26:53,004
that high school
football players go
2128
01:26:53,004 --> 01:26:54,089
to play football,
2129
01:26:54,089 --> 01:26:58,176
and if they go to school
in the meantime, that's fine.
2130
01:26:58,176 --> 01:27:00,512
Bishop Sycamore
just skipped the part
2131
01:27:00,512 --> 01:27:03,181
where they make the kids go
to class or do their work.
2132
01:27:03,181 --> 01:27:05,850
There are a lot of schools
in the nation
2133
01:27:05,850 --> 01:27:07,268
that put football first.
2134
01:27:07,268 --> 01:27:09,312
Some of them
do it a bit more reputably.
2135
01:27:09,312 --> 01:27:10,814
Some of them
are legitimately providing
2136
01:27:10,814 --> 01:27:13,525
an opportunity for kids
who otherwise wouldn't have it.
2137
01:27:13,525 --> 01:27:15,735
So what you wind up
with is a school
2138
01:27:15,735 --> 01:27:17,987
that has very good teachers
and everything else,
2139
01:27:17,987 --> 01:27:20,699
but that is there to supplement
the athletic programs
2140
01:27:20,699 --> 01:27:22,283
rather than
the athletic programs
2141
01:27:22,283 --> 01:27:23,993
being a supplement
to the school.
2142
01:27:23,993 --> 01:27:26,913
Bishop Sycamore is just the most
extreme example of that,
2143
01:27:26,913 --> 01:27:29,457
where the academics was a lie.
2144
01:27:29,457 --> 01:27:31,710
Football transcends sports.
2145
01:27:31,710 --> 01:27:34,546
Football is the reason
that I'm here.
2146
01:27:35,547 --> 01:27:37,966
I'm not here for education.
2147
01:27:37,966 --> 01:27:39,884
It's not about education.
It's about football.
2148
01:27:39,884 --> 01:27:40,969
Especially in Ohio.
2149
01:27:42,387 --> 01:27:44,389
They did an 80-page
investigative report.
2150
01:27:44,389 --> 01:27:47,017
Seventy percent of it
was talking about football.
2151
01:27:47,017 --> 01:27:50,729
There you go, Mando.
Oh, yeah!
Look at him work.
2152
01:27:50,729 --> 01:27:52,105
There you go, Mando.
Almost there.
2153
01:27:52,105 --> 01:27:53,732
Good work.
2154
01:27:53,732 --> 01:27:55,066
And fortunately for me,
2155
01:27:55,066 --> 01:27:57,777
unfortunately
for a lot of students,
2156
01:27:57,777 --> 01:28:02,490
there'll be more kids next year
that need an opportunity
2157
01:28:02,490 --> 01:28:04,909
to take an online class
to get their grades up
2158
01:28:04,909 --> 01:28:06,870
and to play football.
2159
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:10,081
So there's gonna
be another Bishop Sycamore.
2160
01:28:10,081 --> 01:28:14,461
There's other people that
have started charter schools.
2161
01:28:14,461 --> 01:28:16,588
But the reality of it is this.
2162
01:28:18,381 --> 01:28:21,343
Is that the reason
why I'm sitting in this chair
2163
01:28:21,343 --> 01:28:22,927
is because we played
the number one team
2164
01:28:22,927 --> 01:28:24,304
in the country on national TV.
2165
01:28:24,304 --> 01:28:26,348
That opportunity
wasn't provided to us
2166
01:28:26,348 --> 01:28:28,099
because I'm so smart.
2167
01:28:29,184 --> 01:28:30,769
That opportunity
was provided to us
2168
01:28:30,769 --> 01:28:33,688
because the system sucks.
2169
01:28:33,688 --> 01:28:35,440
And it's like,
people looking like,
2170
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:36,941
"Oh, I can't believe this,
it's not fair,
2171
01:28:36,941 --> 01:28:38,026
they're cheating."
2172
01:28:39,486 --> 01:28:41,946
No, I'm not,
I'm just following the rules.
2173
01:28:41,946 --> 01:28:42,906
You wrote the rules.
2174
01:28:42,906 --> 01:28:44,783
I don't have the power
to write the rules.
2175
01:28:44,783 --> 01:28:47,452
Bishop Sycamore
is just a name.
2176
01:28:47,452 --> 01:28:49,329
The concept
is not going anywhere.
2177
01:28:49,329 --> 01:28:51,623
Our frustration
needs to be directed
2178
01:28:51,623 --> 01:28:54,250
towards something larger,
because it's really easy
2179
01:28:54,250 --> 01:28:56,294
to pick out
the Roy Johnsons of the world
2180
01:28:56,294 --> 01:28:58,380
and then say,
"Hey, you are the problem."
2181
01:28:58,380 --> 01:28:59,589
But he's not the problem.
2182
01:28:59,589 --> 01:29:01,800
He is definitely
more of a symptom.
2183
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,260
And we need to take a real,
honest accounting
2184
01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:07,347
of whether people
should be making
2185
01:29:07,347 --> 01:29:09,474
this much money off of kids.
2186
01:29:09,474 --> 01:29:12,227
If we're gonna get
to the point where we,
2187
01:29:12,227 --> 01:29:14,312
as a state or a country,
2188
01:29:14,312 --> 01:29:16,064
can actually punish people
2189
01:29:16,064 --> 01:29:19,150
who do something like
what Bishop Sycamore did,
2190
01:29:19,150 --> 01:29:23,154
that means we have to reckon
with what's going on
2191
01:29:23,154 --> 01:29:24,489
at these other schools.
2192
01:29:24,489 --> 01:29:26,616
But as long as the money machine
is churning, like,
2193
01:29:26,616 --> 01:29:29,577
no one really is interested
in any of that.
2194
01:29:29,577 --> 01:29:32,539
A lot of people
in a lot of institutions
2195
01:29:32,539 --> 01:29:35,166
can now see the benefit
of having schools,
2196
01:29:35,166 --> 01:29:36,543
because if they set up a school
2197
01:29:36,543 --> 01:29:39,337
and they set up
a strong athletic program,
2198
01:29:39,337 --> 01:29:41,506
there's a good chance
that they can get money.
2199
01:29:41,506 --> 01:29:44,009
Which is why you have
so many prep schools, right?
2200
01:29:44,009 --> 01:29:46,261
No one can deny that
there's prep schools out there
2201
01:29:46,261 --> 01:29:47,345
that are taking financial aid
2202
01:29:47,345 --> 01:29:48,763
and doing all types of things
like that,
2203
01:29:48,763 --> 01:29:50,015
because it's
the wild, wild west.
2204
01:29:50,015 --> 01:29:51,975
This whole game
has been built around
2205
01:29:51,975 --> 01:29:53,518
not paying players.
2206
01:29:53,518 --> 01:29:56,855
Therefore the money goes
to various adults
2207
01:29:56,855 --> 01:30:00,859
who are able to "provide"
the players in some way.
2208
01:30:00,859 --> 01:30:03,403
Once you demonstrate
you're somebody that has
2209
01:30:03,403 --> 01:30:06,031
access to players consistently,
now you got money
2210
01:30:06,031 --> 01:30:09,325
from people who just want
to stay in your good graces.
2211
01:30:09,325 --> 01:30:12,996
But then there's also money
that comes in from sponsorships.
2212
01:30:12,996 --> 01:30:16,166
You might even be able to do
endorsements around town.
2213
01:30:19,502 --> 01:30:21,463
Now, you're a pillar
of the community
2214
01:30:21,463 --> 01:30:23,548
because you have built
this football program
2215
01:30:23,548 --> 01:30:25,717
that does these things
for these kids.
2216
01:30:25,717 --> 01:30:27,886
Bishop Sycamore
does not happen
2217
01:30:27,886 --> 01:30:32,265
if there wasn't an abundance
of money in high school sports.
2218
01:30:32,265 --> 01:30:35,185
If there wasn't this tie-in
2219
01:30:35,185 --> 01:30:36,978
between athletics and education.
2220
01:30:36,978 --> 01:30:40,565
And it was just sort of
the naivety of the world
2221
01:30:40,565 --> 01:30:42,650
to think
that there wouldn't be someone
2222
01:30:42,650 --> 01:30:45,612
as, um, exploitative as Roy,
2223
01:30:45,612 --> 01:30:48,573
who would come in
and do that to the extremes.
2224
01:30:49,657 --> 01:30:51,701
What was in it for you?
2225
01:30:51,701 --> 01:30:53,578
Making the insecurity
feel better.
2226
01:30:54,662 --> 01:30:57,123
There's a lot that goes
into why I was doing it.
2227
01:30:57,123 --> 01:30:59,709
You know what I mean?
So now if I'm saying
it makes me feel better,
2228
01:30:59,709 --> 01:31:01,419
"Why does it make you
feel better to help kids?"
2229
01:31:01,419 --> 01:31:02,796
Because I wanna help.
2230
01:31:02,796 --> 01:31:05,048
Well, why do you wanna help?
'Cause it makes me feel good.
2231
01:31:05,048 --> 01:31:07,592
Why do you wanna feel good?
'Cause I'm insecure.
2232
01:31:07,592 --> 01:31:09,803
- ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
2233
01:31:09,803 --> 01:31:12,472
I don't know
what the point of it was
2234
01:31:12,472 --> 01:31:15,392
'cause you're putting yourself
out there
2235
01:31:15,392 --> 01:31:17,852
and you're a criminal now.
2236
01:31:17,852 --> 01:31:19,896
Like, what was...
what was the point of it?
2237
01:31:19,896 --> 01:31:21,606
I really don't know.
2238
01:31:21,606 --> 01:31:25,568
Saying that there is one reason
for Roy to do this
2239
01:31:25,568 --> 01:31:28,780
or one motivating factor
is oversimplifying it.
2240
01:31:28,780 --> 01:31:30,949
Roy saw the kids
as a means to an end.
2241
01:31:30,949 --> 01:31:34,744
What that end was
is speculation.
2242
01:31:34,744 --> 01:31:37,789
It was perhaps profit.
If this is a scam
2243
01:31:37,789 --> 01:31:39,124
and he's just trying
to make some money,
2244
01:31:39,124 --> 01:31:41,167
either in the short term
or in the long term.
2245
01:31:41,167 --> 01:31:44,254
Or it could have just been
maybe notoriety and fame.
2246
01:31:44,254 --> 01:31:47,841
It was an opportunity for him
to have an image of himself,
2247
01:31:47,841 --> 01:31:49,551
you know, locally in Columbus,
2248
01:31:49,551 --> 01:31:52,637
but also what he thought
would be a nationwide thing.
2249
01:31:52,637 --> 01:31:56,599
And that is a powerful pull
in this society,
2250
01:31:56,599 --> 01:32:00,854
is I want people to know
who I am.
2251
01:32:00,854 --> 01:32:05,942
Whether it be fame or infamy,
I want people to know who I am.
2252
01:32:05,942 --> 01:32:08,653
But I don't think
there's value in infamy
2253
01:32:08,653 --> 01:32:11,322
when your infamy
comes from exploiting kids.
2254
01:32:11,322 --> 01:32:14,659
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
2255
01:32:14,659 --> 01:32:18,413
We get our ass kicked.
They plaster me all over there.
2256
01:32:18,413 --> 01:32:19,539
Call me all types of names.
2257
01:32:19,539 --> 01:32:21,583
The New York Times
writes a story about me
2258
01:32:21,583 --> 01:32:23,209
calling me crazy,
calling me this,
2259
01:32:23,209 --> 01:32:26,755
I'm a con artist, all that.
We still win. You know why?
2260
01:32:26,755 --> 01:32:28,173
Because that game got me
on the phone
2261
01:32:28,173 --> 01:32:30,842
with Michael Strahan,
and now I'm talking to you.
2262
01:32:30,842 --> 01:32:33,303
I love it
when a plan comes together.
2263
01:32:37,891 --> 01:32:40,268
Now we got a platform
to raise funds,
2264
01:32:40,268 --> 01:32:41,519
talk about what happened,
2265
01:32:41,519 --> 01:32:43,688
talk about
what this program's about.
2266
01:32:43,688 --> 01:32:46,232
You wanna hear something crazy
about all this?
2267
01:32:46,232 --> 01:32:49,778
More than 15 schools, after
they canceled our season...
2268
01:32:51,196 --> 01:32:52,947
wanna play us next year.
2269
01:32:52,947 --> 01:32:56,326
You thought Bishop Sycamore
was going anywhere?
2270
01:32:56,326 --> 01:32:57,786
You thought the stories
that we made,
2271
01:32:57,786 --> 01:32:59,204
you thought the names
that we called this
2272
01:32:59,204 --> 01:33:00,163
was gonna go somewhere?
2273
01:33:00,163 --> 01:33:01,873
You didn't think we're gonna
climb that tree?
2274
01:33:01,873 --> 01:33:05,877
I can just see it now.
Just the apologies.
2275
01:33:05,877 --> 01:33:07,420
You don't have to
apologize to me.
2276
01:33:07,420 --> 01:33:08,838
Apologize to them.
2277
01:33:08,838 --> 01:33:11,174
The players, all those people
that you said didn't exist.
2278
01:33:12,717 --> 01:33:14,803
You owe them an apology.
2279
01:33:14,803 --> 01:33:16,388
Do you know
what my mother told me
2280
01:33:16,388 --> 01:33:17,889
before she died?
2281
01:33:17,889 --> 01:33:21,851
She said,
"Baby, be still. Wait."
2282
01:33:25,313 --> 01:33:28,775
And so when this happened,
I knew she gave me that message.
2283
01:33:30,485 --> 01:33:33,279
So I was still. And I took it.
2284
01:33:40,829 --> 01:33:42,789
But I'm not gonna be
still anymore.
2285
01:33:43,498 --> 01:33:45,917
And I'm gonna tell you why.
2286
01:33:45,917 --> 01:33:48,712
After talking to you guys,
I know the trajectory of my life
2287
01:33:48,712 --> 01:33:50,922
is gonna change drastically.
I can feel it.
2288
01:33:50,922 --> 01:33:52,590
I can't see it,
so I don't really understand
2289
01:33:52,590 --> 01:33:54,092
how it's gonna work,
but I can feel it.
2290
01:33:54,092 --> 01:33:56,094
Better or worse?
- Better.
2291
01:33:56,803 --> 01:33:58,096
I feel the energy.
2292
01:33:58,096 --> 01:34:00,306
I feel something
that I haven't felt
2293
01:34:00,306 --> 01:34:02,100
in a long time.
2294
01:34:02,434 --> 01:34:03,685
Peace.
2295
01:34:08,940 --> 01:34:10,608
What DJ Khaled said?
2296
01:34:10,608 --> 01:34:13,153
"All we do is win, win, win
no matter what."
2297
01:34:17,490 --> 01:34:20,744
♪ ("BACK ON OUR BS"
BY J.D. PLAYS) ♪
2298
01:34:20,744 --> 01:34:48,855
♪ B-I-S-H-O-P
I'm sick of y'all ♪
2299
01:34:48,855 --> 01:34:51,483
♪ We back on our bullshit ♪
2300
01:34:51,483 --> 01:34:53,068
♪ Got nothing left to lose ♪
2301
01:34:53,068 --> 01:34:55,070
♪ Yeah we out here
Living ruthless ♪
2302
01:34:55,070 --> 01:34:57,113
♪ They gon have to prove it ♪
2303
01:34:58,490 --> 01:35:00,325
♪ Boy don't make me lose it ♪
2304
01:35:01,951 --> 01:35:04,829
♪ And there's nothing else
Left to say ♪
2305
01:35:04,829 --> 01:35:07,582
♪ Ready to die by my mistakes ♪
2306
01:35:07,582 --> 01:35:10,835
♪ You gave up on me too quick ♪
2307
01:35:10,835 --> 01:35:14,381
♪ Now I'm back on my bullshit
Yeah ♪
2308
01:35:14,381 --> 01:35:16,841
♪ Bro went to school
And did his thing in the field ♪
2309
01:35:16,841 --> 01:35:18,677
♪ Other partner like
Fuck the field ♪
2310
01:35:18,677 --> 01:35:20,053
♪ And I can't change
How he feel ♪
2311
01:35:20,053 --> 01:35:21,888
♪ I heard I might get
Booked for fraud ♪
2312
01:35:21,888 --> 01:35:23,348
♪ Tryna fight these appeals ♪
2313
01:35:23,348 --> 01:35:26,726
♪ Cuzzo a owl fly wit the flock
He trying to chase us a mil ♪
2314
01:35:26,726 --> 01:35:28,978
♪ We all kings
Where we come from ♪
2315
01:35:28,978 --> 01:35:30,855
♪ It don't matter
How you get it, just win ♪
2316
01:35:30,855 --> 01:35:32,315
♪ We all ask the lord
For forgiveness ♪
2317
01:35:32,315 --> 01:35:33,900
♪ Knowin' damn well
We gon sin again ♪
2318
01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:35,318
♪ We don't promote
The violence ♪
2319
01:35:35,318 --> 01:35:37,070
♪ But it ain't shit
To send 'em in ♪
2320
01:35:37,070 --> 01:35:38,947
♪ My father sat down
Served a homicide ♪
2321
01:35:38,947 --> 01:35:40,365
♪ Say he'll do it all again ♪
2322
01:35:40,365 --> 01:35:42,409
♪ Now I'm just lookin'
For the answers ♪
2323
01:35:42,409 --> 01:35:44,244
♪ It seem like life
Ain't been the same ♪
2324
01:35:44,244 --> 01:35:45,870
♪ Since we lost
The bro to cancer ♪
2325
01:35:45,870 --> 01:35:47,080
♪ Reminisce on college ♪
2326
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,124
♪ Go back to school
And get my masters ♪
2327
01:35:49,124 --> 01:35:50,750
♪ They say slow money
Ain't no money ♪
2328
01:35:50,750 --> 01:35:52,961
♪ So I learned
To make it faster ♪
2329
01:35:52,961 --> 01:35:55,005
♪ We back on our bullshit ♪
2330
01:35:55,922 --> 01:35:57,173
♪ Got nothing left to lose
2331
01:35:57,173 --> 01:35:59,092
♪ Yeah we out here
Living ruthless ♪
2332
01:35:59,092 --> 01:36:01,344
♪ They gon have to prove it ♪
2333
01:36:02,220 --> 01:36:04,472
♪ Boy don't make me lose it ♪
2334
01:36:05,974 --> 01:36:08,893
♪ And there's nothing else
Left to say ♪
2335
01:36:08,893 --> 01:36:11,896
♪ Ready to die by my mistakes ♪
2336
01:36:11,896 --> 01:36:14,858
♪ You gave up on me too quick ♪
2337
01:36:14,858 --> 01:36:19,029
♪ Now I'm back on my bullshit
Yeah ♪
2338
01:36:19,029 --> 01:36:20,780
- ♪ B ♪
- ♪ Boys to men switched up ♪
2339
01:36:20,780 --> 01:36:22,240
♪ Now we gotta
Bring lawyers in ♪
2340
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:24,409
- ♪ I ♪
- ♪ I had thought
You was my partner ♪
2341
01:36:24,409 --> 01:36:25,577
♪ You 'pose to love ya friends ♪
2342
01:36:25,577 --> 01:36:27,579
- ♪ S ♪
- ♪ Scam likely
Every time you call ♪
2343
01:36:27,579 --> 01:36:28,830
♪ Like when this shit gon end? ♪
2344
01:36:28,830 --> 01:36:30,707
- ♪ H ♪
- ♪ He knew we came from shit ♪
2345
01:36:30,707 --> 01:36:32,375
♪ But he rather go
And stack dividends ♪
2346
01:36:32,375 --> 01:36:35,086
- ♪ O ♪
- ♪ Over and over I ask myself
How could you let him in? ♪
2347
01:36:35,086 --> 01:36:36,963
- ♪ P ♪
- ♪ Plenty nights
I question God ♪
2348
01:36:36,963 --> 01:36:38,506
♪ Feel like fuck it we win ♪
2349
01:36:40,633 --> 01:36:42,135
♪ Fuck it we win ♪
2350
01:36:44,763 --> 01:36:56,858
♪ B-I-S-H-O-P
I'm sick of y'all ♪
2351
01:36:56,858 --> 01:36:59,194
♪ We back on our bullshit ♪
2352
01:36:59,944 --> 01:37:01,112
♪ Got nothing left to lose
2353
01:37:01,112 --> 01:37:03,073
♪ Yeah we out here
Living ruthless ♪
2354
01:37:03,073 --> 01:37:05,200
♪ They gon have to prove it ♪
2355
01:37:06,284 --> 01:37:08,453
♪ Boy don't make me lose it ♪
2356
01:37:09,954 --> 01:37:12,374
♪ And there's nothing else
Left to say ♪
2357
01:37:13,249 --> 01:37:15,460
♪ Ready to die by my mistakes ♪
2358
01:37:15,460 --> 01:37:16,961
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪