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- Would you state your name, please?
- Gwen Shamblin-Lara.
- And you're the leader of the Remnant Fellowship Church.
- Well, I'm one of several church leaders, yes.
- What is your title in the church?
- My title? - What do they call you?
They call me Gwen.
- Okay. Regarding the matter at hand...
have you ever instructed your parishioners
in how they should discipline their children?
- (sighing) - No. No.
More specifically,
did you ever instruct any of your parishioners
to beat their children with glue sticks?
Never.
- If I were to tell you that we have recordings of you saying precisely that,
would you want to change your answer?
- I would question the integrity of any such recording.
- Alright, why don't we just start again from the beginning.
(sighing)
I'm a pig.
I just got off the scale.
- Oh, no. Is it crushed beyond repair?
- I'm four pounds heavier than I was this summer.
I'm always up and down! I can never get my weight where I want and keep it there.
- Gwen, you barely cast a shadow. Four pounds isn't gonna kill ya.
- This isn't just about me. I teach nutrition, for goodness sakes.
And I can't lose four extra pounds,
and I'm supposed to be helping other people lose hundreds?
- And you do. (sighing)
How do I get rid of emptiness?
- Emptiness? - My client, you know, she's eating.
I don't have her on any kind of broth-and-breadcrumb diet,
but still, she says she feels this emptiness.
- Isn't that just hunger? - Maybe, but the word she used was emptiness, not hunger.
I don't know why that word's been stuck in my head ever since she said it,
and it's been bugging me,
because she says this emptiness
just pulls her to the refrigerator
when she knows she didn't want to eat.
She doesn't want food.
She wants to drop the extra pounds.
- (sighing) - Maybe...
...just means she's hungry, hmm? (chuckling)
But hungry for what?
(bell tolling)
(background chatter)
Oh, sure. Yeah.
- Thank you. - Alright,
- let's have your plate, Gwen. - Not for me today, thanks.
- I wish I had your restraint. You know, my doctor,
he said my blood type is, uh, Velveeta.
- He did not. - He's a real cut-up, that one, let me tell ya.
- Yeah, well, I've got four nasty pounds I'm looking to shed,
so none of the good stuff.
Alright, dear.
You want some?
Alright, Tammy, load me up.
- Thanks, y'all, for coming out today.
Uh... I'm hungry too, so I'll keep it brief.
Let's everybody bow our heads,
give thanks.
We thank you, Lord,
for the bounty we're about to receive in Jesus's name. Amen.
- (all): Amen. - Amen.
Michael, Elizabeth, eat up. (background chatter)
Put your napkin here.
(chuckling)
(sighing)
(snoring)
No, you are not hungry.
(soft music)
Please, help me understand what I am missing.
What is this emptiness?
And how do I fill it?
Please, God.
Give me your divine guidance.
Please.
Don't you see? That's my point. Once I prayed,
I didn't want it anymore. And the same thing happened at work today.
I was reaching for the second half of my sandwich
and I realized I'm not hungry.
So, David, I prayed again.
And the emptiness was gone.
Then what was the emptiness?
- Spiritual. It's a spiritual emptiness...
...that can only be filled by God.
You get it?
- Not entirely. - Okay, my client, Melanie,
she says she can't stop eating because she feels
like she's always starving.
And she is starving!
Just not for food.
David, all I had to do was pray to God,
and ask him to fill that empty space
that I would've filled with food, and he did it.
- You show those four pounds who's boss, sweetheart.
- Uh-huh! (David chuckling)
New sheriff in town.
Yeah.
(indistinct chatter)
Gwen.
Oh, hey, Emily.
- I did just what you said and it worked.
Oh, it does, doesn't it?
- I'm down four pounds in two weeks.
- Mm-mm-mm. - I just start taking smaller portions,
and taking little sips of tea in between my bites,
and then just letting God fill up whatever emptiness was left.
Praise God! What'd I tell you?
- Are you still doing it? - A month and a half.
Down... six.
Gwen, you have to bottle this.
- Oh, Emily, I'm way ahead of you.
Oh... Would you like to join me?
I will be putting these up around town today...
for my new workshop.
- Oh, yes, I do. - Well, guess what.
We have a date. Let's go.
- Let's go! I thank you so much.
I can't tell you how happy I am.
Ahem.
(sighing)
So... we all here? (chuckling)
Well, okay, uh, my name is Gwen Shamblin,
and I'm a nutritionist and a Christian.
(all): Hi, Gwen.
- So y'all here to maybe lose some weight?
(all agreeing) Yeah?
Well, I've come up with a method that'll help you lose weight
and bring you closer to God at the same time.
It's very simple.
Even when we're not hungry,
sometimes we want to eat.
But that emptiness isn't your stomach.
It's your heart.
And your heart doesn't need food.
It needs God.
Gwen, still?
- I'm fine. - You should be.
So what if it wasn't a packed house.
You got through to those people.
- Yeah, all two of 'em. - Three if you count Emily.
Oh, three whole people.
- You know who else started small? Jesus.
- (chuckling) - Well...
he went big when he started walking on water,
and that ain't in my skill set.
- Come on, what's really bugging you?
Mm. I'm just frustrated.
I feel like I'm pointing the way out of the desert
and everybody thinks it's just a mirage.
- You gotta give it more of a chance.
I don't know.
It just makes me feel so inconsequential.
- Come on, Gwen. You got two degrees,
your own practice, teach college, great kids.
Not to mention a fantastic husband.
Everybody should be as inconsequential as you.
- Oh, Davey, you know I'm grateful for everything I have. I...
I just have this drive to reach as many people as I can,
and help as many people as I can.
I feel that's what God wants from me.
- It was only one session, sweetheart.
- Yeah. Or maybe people just think
I'm some crazy lady in a garage.
- I mean, Jesus didn't even have a garage.
David... I'm not Jesus.
- That's right. You're Gwen Shamblin.
And Gwen Shamblin came up with a new way to lose weight that really works.
Works for you, works for Emily.
And things that work, they catch on.
And God hates a quitter.
(soft music)
(Gwen gasping)
Well, lookie here!
Wow. We got a few more people today.
I think you two been talkin'.
- I'm already down two pounds. - Praise God!
It really works, doesn't it?
Well, okay, I'm Gwen Shamblin,
and I'll be leading y'all on a journey.
Is it about weight loss? Yes, it is.
(sighing)
- You aware it's approaching 2 a.m.?
No, it is not.
- Mm-hmm.
- Oh, boy. When you get a roll...
(David sighing)
You're on page 236?
- Yeah, I'm writing a book, not a pamphlet.
- Couple of hundred pages, though, for a diet book?
- David, you know it's more than that.
It's a spiritual guide.
- Uh-uh. It's bedtime.
I don't want you burning yourself out.
- Okay, let me just get through this chapter. I'm--
Oh, David!
- Nope. Thou shall get thy beauty sleep.
- No, I... Well, you have to turn it off!
(sighing)
- Doesn't mean anything, sweetheart.
- Yeah, it means nobody wants my book.
Come on, Gwen. So what?
Your workshops are still huge,
your videos are still doing great.
You can't tell me you still think
you're inconsequential.
- I mean, maybe... maybe I've been wasting my time...
...just, you know, going to the Christian publishing houses,
because they don't have near the reach that I want, that I need.
Maybe I should be going for your, you know,
your Simon & Shuster, your Doubleday.
Well, that's ambitious,
which is good.
I only worry that if the Christian publishers aren't interested
in a Christian-based diet book,
will the big houses really want it?
God willing.
(indistinct chatter)
Good morning!
Oh, Mrs. Shamblin?
- Oh, please call me Gwen. What's your name?
It's Carmen, ma'am.
- Oh, hello, Carmen. It's so nice to meet you.
- It's nice to meet you, too. Um, can I just say personally
what an honour it is to be working for you?
Oh, bless your heart.
- Really, I-I can see the hope and inspiration
you're bringing to people with this program.
I'm just so proud to be a part of it.
- I am so touched, Carmen. Thank you.
Have a great day.
Thanks. You, too, ma'am. Bye.
- I'm not special. I'm no different from any of you.
God does not favour me over you.
Let me tell you something.
There is not one person in this room
who cannot tackle this demon.
And this demon isn't food.
It's sin.
When we overindulge ourselves,
we are falling short of the glory of God.
And that is what sin is.
And we can only overcome sin...
with God's help.
Because with God on our side, we cannot lose!
Well, we can lose. Weight, that is.
(laughter) But y'all know what I mean.
(indistinct chatter)
Oh, thank you!
(indistinct chatter) Bye.
Thank you. Oh...
come over here, give me a hug.
Okay. Oop. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. See you later. Bye.
Oh, hi.
- I'm down 10 pounds because of you.
Oh, bless your heart.
- I've tried so many other methods.
I was really ready to give up.
- Well, you just keep puttin' it in God's hands.
- My wife and I cannot stop talking about you.
Oh, well, it's not about me.
- I'm David Martin. This is my wife, Jennifer.
- We drive miles to come to these.
I wish there was someone like you in our church.
- Oh, what parts you from? - We're out in Willowdale.
- Oh, well, heck, I think we have workshops out there.
We are spreading like wildfires.
If you were thinking maybe you wanted one in your own church,
I think, Jennifer,
that you would probably be very good at running one of these.
(exclamations)
Me? Oh...
Oh, my gosh. I-I don't know what to say.
Well, okay. Okay.
Thank you.
- Thank you so much. That was... incredible.
Ah, so good.
- (David sighing) - The kids are in bed.
You may commence foot rub. Ooh.
- Well, you'll have to rub your own feet tonight, buddy.
- (David sighing) - What's that?
I'm at a moral crossroads.
- Well, if you think that's more important than a foot rub...
Here's the thing.
I feel blessed that I'm reaching so many people with this program
and I feel like I'm doing God's work.
But, baby, maybe making just a little more money at it, is that wrong?
- Why? This is work. A lot of work.
- Right? Yeah, but... but what's the number?
(David sighing) What's fair and what's greedy?
- Let's see what we've got. - Okay, for a 12-week workshop,
we've got all these expenses: we've got gas money,
material, photocopying... I mean...
...I need all this right here.
- That's a lot. - Right?
And the donations we collect...
Yeah, that'd pretty much cover all of it. But I thought...
if I just charged a flat rate,
I'd cover costs and maybe make just a little bit of profit.
So I came up with this number here.
Hmm.
- I mean, you're the one with the divinity degree. What do you think?
Here.
Selling good seats,
you should reap what you sow.
- Well... that's definitely reaping.
- You're providing something very valuable,
and working like crazy and you're making a big impact.
How's that greedy?
Let's go to sleep. You've got that book signing tomorrow in New York.
- Mrs. Shamblin, I'm Nancy, I'm your rep from Doubleday.
- Oh, hi, Nancy. It's nice to meet you.
- I hope your travel went smoothly.
- Oh, yes, it did. And, you know,
I had never ridden in a limo before. I felt like a movie star.
(Nancy chuckling) I'm just a little confused.
I thought that the signing was set up at a bookstore.
- It was, but we actually got a surprising response.
- We needed to change the venue. - Oh.
- People seem to just love this book.
- Oh, thank you. I did put my heart and soul into it.
- Okay, she's here. Get ready to announce.
So right through here to the stage.
- The stage? - Yes.
Go ahead.
(announcer): Please give a warm welcome to Gwen Shamblin!
(cheering)
(Gwen laughing)
(laughing)
- Oh... Well, y'all can't be here for little me.
(laughter)
Well...
...let's get started.
My name is Gwen Shamblin.
- Hey, everybody! How y'all doin'?!
(crowd cheering)
Welcome. Welcome, everyone...
to the 1999 Weigh Down Workshop Desert Oasis.
(crowd cheering)
Let me ask you something. Y'all ready to see Gwen?
(crowd cheering)
- Do not spray that cheap crap in my hair, Sheri!
What am I, a hooker?
(announcer): Well, folks, here she is.
The founder of the Weigh Down Workshop, Gwen Shamblin!
(crowd cheering)
(loud cheering)
Oh.
How y'all doin' on this glorious day?
(crowd cheering)
We are blessed...
to have attendees...
from 37 states and six countries.
(crowd exclaiming)
I mean... I mean...
You know, it's still hard for me to grasp
that this little program I started in my garage...
...and now to be in 14,000 churches--
(wild cheering)
I love these annual rallies.
It's just like we are creating our own little city.
It's like a garden of Eden apart from the fallen world out there.
(cheering) We have some special guests
for you tonight. Come up!
They didn't bring the 700 pounds they lost, but...
Show everybody what you did bring.
(crowd whooping and exclaiming)
Come on, come on.
- (man): Whoa! - Come on!
I mean, I could just get in these pants with him
and there would still be room.
(laughter)
So I have to say I have known Tammy here for ages,
and she has always struggled with her weight. Is that right?
- That's right. - Well, will you tell us, Tammy?
- I just want to point out that Gwen didn't just make a great diet plan,
but she built up a whole community.
I mean, look around. This is something beautiful,
and I'm just so grateful to be a part of it.
- Oh, bless your heart. (applause)
- Thank you. - I love you.
Praise God. (all): Praise God!
- Praise God. (applause)
(all): We love you, Gwen! We love you, Gwen!
(chanting continues)
Uh, uh...
That went well, huh? (laughing)
Those people worship you.
- "Worship" is a very big word, David.
- I dunno. When people start chanting your name,
what word would you use?
I dunno. Excited, exhilarated.
Joyful. And they should be.
I'm just sayin', is all.
- You're just saying what? - Just...
Stay Gwen, alright?
- Well... well, who else am I gonna be?
If it makes them feel better chanting my name, it's okay.
All I hear is... "Glory to God." (chuckling)
- Maybe, but what they're saying...
...is "glory to Gwen."
- God knows men are imperfect and can never be sinless,
yet our sins...
...needed to be wiped away
if we're to join the Lord in eternity.
Someone had to pay for our sins.
And that someone was our Lord Jesus Christ!
So rejoice!
Your sins have been forgiven...
by his blood.
Can I get an amen? (parishioners): Amen.
- Hey, do you have just a quick sec?
I wanted to ask you about something.
- Sure. - Now, listen,
this is not a big deal at all.
It's just that I, uh, I did mess up one of the orders,
and I just wanted to give you the heads-up,
'cause I was worried that maybe...
Gwen, have I caught you at a bad time?
- It's... People are getting the wrong message here.
- In church? - This is why some people fail
at the Weigh Down. When you're told that your sins
are washed away for nothin',
well, then why not keep sinning? Why not be gluttons?
It's no wonder that some of our people are gaining their weight back.
They hear our message on Wednesday night,
they come here and hear this message on Sunday?
Well, they figure: Why not just keep refilling at the Sunday buffet?
'Cause Jesus paid for it.
- (laughing) - Ah...
Gwen, I mean, come on, you're...
you're not sayin' that people should be rejecting Jesus?
No, of course not.
Just... sometimes,
maybe they need to go over his head, you know?
- Oh. - Just can't have these preachers messing up my program!
Anyway, I gotta go. See you tomorrow?
Bye.
(mumbling)
I am your vessel, Lord.
I have so many ears...
listening to me,
and I fear I do not have the words.
(sighing) Speak through me...
so that I may deliver your word free of human corruption.
Amen.
- Hey, hey! (all): Hey!
How y'all doin' tonight? Good?
(enthusiastic response) Yes! That's what I like to hear.
Okay, listen.
You have all come so far in this program,
and I'm really proud of each one of you.
So for our last session, what I... Oh!
Okay. Well, this is a surprise. Look, everybody.
We are getting an in-person visit from our founder,
Gwen Shamblin.
- Hey, everybody. (crowd cheering)
- Alright, everybody. Let the lady speak.
- I have an important message for everybody.
The other night I was praying.
And I've been disturbed more and more
by some of the messages coming from the modern-day church.
What I'm hearing...
is that we're being given a licence to sin...
through Christ's sacrifice.
In church, we are taught that Jesus is equal to God.
But how could that be? Because before his crucifixion,
Jesus called to God. He said, "God!
God, not my will,
but yours," he said.
Well, there's a colossal distinction right there.
Because Jesus was acknowledging
a very clear line of authority,
with God at the very top.
But our churches preach to you the Holy Trinity.
They tell you that the Father,
the Son and the Holy Spirit are all equal.
Well, I'm here to tell you somethin'.
That is simply not true.
Because it is only...
through God himself, directly,
that you can conquer sin.
And any church that tells you otherwise is counterfeit.
God has called upon me...
to warn the people.
I have been called upon...
to start a new church.
And this church will be a place
where the remnants of all the bogus churches
can come to find true...
Christian perfection.
And every one of you
are invited to join.
(cheering and applause)
(man talking indistinctly on phone)
- I understand that you feel that way, Pastor, but if you could just give--
- ...of the Trinity is heresy! Heresy!
Hello? Hello?
- "May you and your families be smote with running sores."
That paints a pretty picture.
Hmm. I read one yesterday
that was nice enough to mention the horse I rode in on.
(laughter)
- Well, this is a whole lot of bad.
- Gwen's not worried, so I'm not.
- I dunno. We lost almost half our churches.
- That doesn't trouble her? - Gary, Gwen's been right
about everything so far.
I want you to have a little faith, sweetheart.
Where you taking me for dinner?
It's a surprise.
- Hmm. So you have no idea. - None whatsoever.
- Good mornin'! Aw, let me see some smiles.
It's a brand-new day, never been lived in before.
- I don't know what you thought was gonna happen.
- I can only tell people what I know to be the truth.
What you know to be the truth?
Where you gettin' these truths from?
- Same place you get yours. I'm interpreting scripture.
- Well, my interpretation is that the Trinity is real.
And, if it matters, I'm the one with the Masters in divinity.
I'm the one with the audience.
Sorry if that stings your ego, but it's true.
- Did you happen to notice the very big chunk of people you just drove away?
- And have you noticed how many stayed?
I'm in the business of trimming the fat, honey.
So was that your plan?
Purging the organization
of everyone but your true believers?
- I put myself in God's hands from the very beginning,
and I've seen miraculous results.
I've gotta believe I'm doin' something right.
- What're you doing, anyway? You've been in there an hour.
I'm doin' my hair.
- One follicle at a time? - Ha-ha.
- Well, no one's gonna miss you in the crowd.
(Gwen chuckling)
- The higher the hair, the closer to God.
- I just heard that your publisher cancelled your new book?
- Yep. A few angry letters and they got spooked.
Who cares?
You know, I'll get another publisher,
or we'll publish it ourselves.
- Gwen, can I tell you something?
People around here are starting to get worried.
I mean, what with your Trinity announcement,
and all of these returns and everything,
there's a lot of people that are starting to worry about their jobs.
Well, they don't have to.
Emily, can I tell you something...
extraordinary?
I experienced a true miracle.
I've been talking to God a lot lately, as you know.
And the other night, God spoke back.
What? What do you mean?
You mean like he "spoke" spoke, like out loud?
- He told me not to hesitate in beginning his new church.
We don't have a second to waste.
Come here. I gotta show you something.
(sighing)
I hired these people to build this website,
and this is a mock-up
of what the actual building would look like.
Oh, wow.
You're starting your own church.
- (Gwen laughing) - Praise God.
Everybody, the Remnant Fellowship Church.
(applause)
It's gonna be nice, not having services in the warehouse, huh?
(laughter) (exclaiming)
Hey!
Who wants cake?
Hey.
Mm-mm.
So yummy. (David chuckling)
(Gwen laughing)
Mm!
- Mrs. Shamblin? - Mm!
Please call me Gwen. (laughter)
Oh, we're new to the church.
I just wanted to introduce you to my family.
I'm Joseph Smith. And this is my wife, Sonya.
Oh, well, welcome. And...
who's this little cutie?
This is Josef Jr.
- You want to watch out for this one. He's a troublemaker.
Well, the Remnant Fellowship
has lots of babysitters out of the youth group,
and they can handle pretty much anything.
(laughter)
- We think you're doing great work, Gwen.
Oh, thank you.
- And we'll follow you wherever you lead us.
- Well, I hope that is right to God's doorstep.
Hmm. Amen.
- The kids' stuff, that goes upstairs in the bedroom.
- Got it. - In the living room.
My wife will show you where that goes.
Yes, sir, Mr. Shamblin.
(indistinct chatter)
(knocking)
- Oh, come on in, Carmen. Come in.
Have a seat.
- We've been meetin' with everybody personally in the organization,
because loyalty's a very important thing, don't you think?
Absolutely. I... I agree.
- Good, good. Because we believe the best way to reach people
is for everyone at the Weigh Down
to approach things from the same philosophy.
- Oh, for sure. I mean, no, that makes sense.
- Well, we're very glad to hear you say that, Carmen,
because moving forward,
we're gonna need everyone employed here
to become members of the church.
- Oh, I am. I've been a member of the same church since... since I was born.
Well, what I need from you...
is for you to be a member of our church, Remnant Fellowship.
You'd do that for me?
- It's a long story. - Alright.
(indistinct chatter)
- Emily, did you go along with this?
They're kicking me out 'cause I won't join her church.
Well, this is Gwen's company.
I mean, how hard would it be to join the Remnant, Carmen? Come on.
- You mean join or be fired? You really believe that's right?
I believe...
I believe in Gwen.
(David Martin): There was a time when I lived a life that...
that had to be apologized for.
But when I came to the Remnant Fellowship,
I finally saw how to live with...
with no secrets and no dark places.
And for that I am...
grateful beyond description.
We all should be.
And I think we all owe it to one person, don't we?
Ladies and gentlemen,
fellow saints of the Remnant Nation,
I give you Gwen Shamblin, the Prophetess!
(wild cheering)
(cheering)
Oh, thank you so much, Gary.
Thank you very much.
Oh. (gasping)
Isn't it great? I mean, I saw it and I just thought of the two of you.
I think it's perfect for you.
- For us? Gwen, we're not looking for a house.
- Oh, this neighbourhood is selling up fast.
You don't want to miss out.
- Gwen, to remind you of the obvious,
we aren't even married.
- Well, yeah, I expect you to be married first,
but I think it's about time, don't you?
Gary, this here is a great gal.
- Gwen, please. Don't put him on the spot like that.
Oh. See?
There's Deirdre and Bob.
Why are y'all dragging your feet?
We're building a community here.
- No, I know, I know. - It's gonna be great.
We're all gonna live here in Brentwood together,
have our own doctors and construction people,
plumbers, lawyers,
all from the Remnant.
Wow. So we're gonna be...
independent from the outside world altogether.
Is that what you're telling me? Is that what you mean?
- Like the Amish, but with electricity.
- Okay, listen. I-I'm sorry, I'm rushing you.
I'm just so excited.
I want our people married, I want to see babies!
I just want to see our community grow and thrive!
Come on.
Do you, Emily Bertram,
take Gary Stockwood...
as your lawfully wedded husband?
I do.
Then I now pronounce you...
...all of you...
husbands and wives!
Gentlemen... you may kiss your brides.
(applause)
Today is the day I've been waiting for for a very long time.
We are finally, finally christening the Exodus Group,
which will be the organization
overseeing all of the enterprises
and taking care of all the needs
of the Remnant Fellowship.
(applause)
Ah, at this rate,
we'll be building a wall around Brentwood by the end of the year.
- Oh, Adrienne, you are such a cynic.
- Oh, I believe in Gwen. Don't get me wrong.
- I know. It's just that lately, you've been making a lot of cracks.
- Yeah, well, it just feels... - Praise God!
- ...like Gwen is more interested in playing God rather than serving him.
(Gwen): That doesn't mean for certain that he's cheating on you, Emily.
- He admitted it. When I showed him what I'd found, I mean, how could he deny it?
It was right there on his phone.
Well, I'm so sorry, Emily.
- I just don't know how I can ever trust him again.
(sniffling)
Well, you're not abandoned.
I will do everything I can to help you get through this. You know that.
- I don't want to get through this.
I don't want a divorce, but I don't want...
- Well, I mean, you can't get a divorce.
- I don't want a divorce, Gwen. I'm just saying it's still raw,
and I can't see a way of getting through this.
I cannot stand the idea of ever getting into the same bed as him.
Emily... look at me.
Look at me.
I don't think you understand completely
what I mean when I say you can't divorce.
What I mean is, God forbids it.
I know you're in terrible pain,
but... you are surrounded
by people who love and care about you.
And we will help you through it.
But you made a promise...
before God to your husband.
You know these things are never just one-sided.
You know, we need to look at ourselves
whenever things like this occur.
What are you saying, Gwen?
When men stray,
it's always for a reason.
- Why, yeah, of course, but--
- You have put on some weight lately. Let's be honest.
So this is my fault?
No, it's his fault.
But...
you have allowed sin...
to re-enter your life.
This is just all part of it. That's all I'm sayin'.
(Emily sniffling)
(door opening) (sighing)
(crickets chirping)
(sighing)
- (laughing) - Hey, Josh.
To what do I owe?
I was hoping we could talk.
Emily... gave me a key.
- She's not here? - No.
- You've been talkin' to my wife?
I've been talkin' to Gwen.
- So what are we talkin' about? (chuckling)
Well... Gary...
...we're talkin' about your marriage.
- Are we? - I think we should.
- Uh... and what about my marriage...
uh, concerns you?
Your infidelity.
And quite frankly, Gary, I'm a little bit hurt...
that you didn't come to me about this.
- I didn't go to anybody about this, Josh.
It's... it's my business.
- Well, I think it's also the church's business.
(chuckling)
Gary, you are the head of your household.
And that comes with responsibilities.
Uh, listen, Josh.
I don't think, uh...
...what happens in my household is anything for you or Gwen...
to concern yourselves with.
I'm sorry you feel that way.
But I disagree.
Gwen was very... firm.
Whatever happened...
...happened.
Reconcile with your wife.
- Thanks for coming by, Josh. I'll...
I'll give it some thought.
I'm pleased to hear it.
But why don't you give it some thought right now.
We can pray on it together.
Adultery is a pretty big sin.
And we can't have that in the church.
Some other time.
(chuckling)
Fair enough.
You know what I'll do?
I'll just come back.
(Gwen): This church is only gonna live on
through our children.
And we're not supposed to be our children's friends.
We're supposed to be their parents.
And sometimes... that means discipline.
And we are doing our children no favours
by sparing the rod.
(crowd murmuring) Am I right?
(crowd murmuring)
You want proof that it works?
Well, I just happen to have the proof right here.
I know two young people...
Well... they're not that young anymore,
but they'll always be my babies,
even though they've got babies of their own.
Michael, Elizabeth, come on up!
(laughing) (applause)
Come on.
Well, I can't think of any better example...
of the promise of America's youth than these two fine people.
And they were good kids. They were.
You know. But every now and again...
(laughter) You know.
Hope I wasn't too hard on y'all.
- Well, when we had it comin', we had it comin'.
- Hmm. (laughter)
Well, I've asked Michael to play for you a song
that he has written about this very thing.
Would you? (Michael): Yeah.
This is a song called Honor Thy Father...
...and Mother. (laughter)
Thank you.
(applause)
♪ Honor thy father Young one ♪
♪ Make your mom proud ♪
♪ There's a million people you can be... ♪♪
- Jesus said, "A good tree cannot bear bad fruit."
And you can know this church by its fruit.
- Our prayer is that you would unite with us
in giving everything we got to God.
We good?
- What's with you today? - Nothing.
I'm just tired of doing these promo things.
- Oh, well, honey, they are critical,
and you are such a natural.
Come on now.
- I just wish I had more time to work on my music,
that's all, instead of always being pulled away for church stuff.
Church stuff?
Maybe have a little more respect for what we are doing here.
- Look, you can't say that I haven't devoted my time to the church, Mom.
I have. You know that. I'm just sayin' that...
I think the things I wanna do deserve a little respect too.
- If you want more time for your music,
that's fine, but the church has
its own recording studio; you can make music there.
- Yes, the church has its thumb in everything, doesn't it?
Just don't start.
- Am I wrong? - Dad...
- Will somebody please tell me what this all is about anymore?
All this self-promotion, all this recruitment.
What god are we selling here?
Oh, come on, Dad.
- With the Son and the Holy Spirit out of the way,
just who do you put next in line after God? You?
- Oh, it's all comin' out now, isn't it?
- Maybe that emptiness you used to feel
was for something completely different.
Oh, right.
Because I wanna be God. (laughing)
Whatever it is,
it's just become too much for me.
I've been holding my tongue about this for too long.
I'm done with it, with all of it!
Oh, really?
Well, maybe that's all for the best.
I mean, you've always been a good 30 pounds off-message.
I don't need that from my husband. Right?
- (sighing) - Well, that's interestin'.
I wonder what it is you do want in a husband.
Look. We completely booked it.
It's the second one that I'm worried about.
Okay.
Oh.
Who's the new handyman, hmm?
- I-I dunno. I think Josh hired him.
Well, he seems qualified.
- Oh. (laughing)
Well, I see.
Yes, that is, uh... that is quality.
(laughing)
- Uh-huh.
Well, that looks like thirsty work.
- That's... very nice of you, ma'am. Thank you.
Oh, please, call me Gwen.
What's your name?
Joe.
Joe Lara.
- Well, you do not sound like a southern boy.
(chuckling)
Yeah... you got me.
Yeah, so turns out, as an actor, I make a pretty good handyman.
(laughing)
Oh, I bet you were great.
I bet you just filled the screen.
- Well, as long I filled in the loincloth, right?
- You know what I mean! You got presence, Joe.
- Well, thank you, Gwen. - Mm.
- I have to say you have presence, too.
I'm surprised you never gave Hollywood a try.
Oh.
- God knows you're able to draw an audience.
You certainly got the looks for it anyway.
So... this house. Wow.
Somethin' else. It's like my dream home.
- Took one look at it and just fell in love. What can I say?
Yeah, I bet.
Would, uh, would I be rude in asking you...
...how many bedrooms you got?
Well, I can give you a tour.
- I'd like that. - Well, just follow me, please.
(birdsong)
- Gwen? - Oh, in here.
Hey.
- What do you think of this? - Uh... listen.
I'm hearin' everywhere that you and David are getting a divorce.
Oh...
why do people feel the need to gossip?
Tighten the reins on your tongues, people.
It's right there in the Book of James.
- (Emily chuckling) - Well, is-is it true?
(Gwen sighing)
It's...
(sighing) It is the saddest thing.
I never saw myself as someone who would ever be divorced.
Right.
Because God forbids it.
- Well, sometimes it is simply the only alternative.
- (scoffing) - Why are you doing this?
Gwen, why are you getting a divorce?
- Emily, David and I have been...
growing apart for quite some time.
I mean, don't tell me you haven't noticed.
He's just not the David I once knew.
- Oh... (scoffing)
I have to tell you, Gwen, I'm a little bit upset by this.
I've prayed over this.
I have spoken to God.
It is the best thing.
David has already moved out.
- Gwen, what is going on with you?
- What do you mean? - I just don't understand.
I mean, this whole thing started as a weight-loss program,
and I-I don't even know what it is anymore.
- Emily, I have to listen to what God is telling me.
The Weigh Down was always the pathway to the Remnant.
I see that now, but God was just revealing it to me gradually.
(Joe speaking indistinctly)
Um, listen, Emily. Do not worry. Everything is gonna be okay.
- I'm sorry, honey. Didn't realize you had company.
Oh... You remember Joe?
(soft music playing)
I had no idea you were this good, Joe.
- Well, I'm still working on it in parts, so...
Oh, no, I have goose bumps...
all over.
- I gotta be honest with you. I-I kind of miss the limelight.
- Oh, yes. - Hey, Ma?
- Hey, Michael. - Oh, Michael! Hi!
Wait. I have... two musical geniuses
right in the same room with me right now!
Did you hear Joe's music? Did you hear his song?
Yeah, not really.
- What's the matter, sweetheart? - Nothin'.
Just the music business, you know?
Everybody's too afraid to try anything new, pull the trigger on it.
- You just gotta keep trying, honey.
- Probably none of my business, but you know what--
- Damn right, pal. - Oh, Michael!
Michael, do not talk like that. (chuckling)
- Seriously, Mom? This guy? - What?!
Excuse me, Joe. I'm so... I'm so sorry.
- It's okay. - Can you just give us a minute?
What is going on?
Everything sucks.
- Well, that is no reason to take that out on Joe.
Are you still having trouble at home? Is that it?
- Yeah, that's it. That's it. You know, that's exactly the problem.
You have no idea what's going on with me or anyone else for that matter.
'Cause you are so caught up with that guy!
- Listen to me. I know what is going on with everybody.
You think it's easy for your sister?
You think Elizabeth and Brandon aren't struggling? Well, they are.
But they plant their feet and they get on with it.
It is called being an adult.
- Yeah, give me some more marriage advice, Mom.
You have...
every blessing God could bestow on you.
You get your head clear, Michael.
(piano music)
My darling Gwen...
I never knew love this amazing was possible on this Earth.
I just want it to last forever. I... really do.
Oh...
So...
Oh!
(laughter)
- So I'm asking you, would you do this humble servant of God the honour...
of becoming my wife.
Oh.
(laughing)
Oh. Oh...
(man coughing)
Are you kidding me?! You've gotta be kiddin' me.
- Who did that? - Sorry.
- Okay, you just ruined the whole moment.
- Honey, it's alright. There's gonna be music playing all over that.
- It's gonna be fine. - No, no, Joe. It's not alright.
This has to be the perfect moment.
You'd think I'd be able to expect the camera crew
to not hack up a lung in the middle of shooting, but now we have to start over.
We're starting all over again.
- Let's go. Let's go. Come on. - Okay.
Am I the nutty one,
or is it like watching the Titanic put to sea?
What are you talkin' about?
Honestly, I've never seen Gwen more in love.
I mean, look at her.
He makes her feel like a princess.
- Yeah, well, maybe that's because Gwen and Joe are...
both in love with Joe.
(laughing)
- You're terrible. You're such a wet blanket. Stop.
- I'm not the only one sayin' it.
Word is that Joe's got a pattern for hooking up
with wealthy women so he doesn't have to work.
- Oh, yeah? Word is? What does that even mean?
I ask questions.
(man coughing) (Gwen): Oh, for God's sakes!
This is great. Just stand up straight.
Beautiful. Julie, you're a vision.
Oh, what's the matter, Tammy?
Did you get someone else's dress?
- No, it's mine. It's just maybe a little tight.
- I don't think the dress is the problem, Tammy.
You have put on a lot of weight.
Only a few pounds.
Oh!
Oh, my gosh, Tammy.
Come on. Gwen, I can lose it.
- In three days? I can't have you up on the stage
looking like 10 pounds of potatoes
shoved in a three-pound sack.
- Gwen. - No. I'm sorry.
You cannot be part of my wedding.
And unless you can get it together and get back on board,
you may as well just leave the church too.
- Gwen, please don't talk like that.
I've devoted everything to the church.
I gave up everything!
Including your trust in God.
We are settin' an example, people!
(bells tolling)
(soft music)
Bet you weren't expecting this, were you?
No.
(funky music)
(exclaiming)
You win. Ah!
(Gwen laughing)
(groaning) Ooh!
(laughing)
Take me, ape man.
(screaming)
(laughing)
(groaning)
(phone buzzing)
Hello? - Why is God punishing me?
What?
(woman crying over the phone)
What happened?
(sniffling) I know, I know.
- Why does God let a baby die in its sleep?
Oh... I don't know.
- I mean, he was only five months old.
- Mm, I don't know, sweetheart, but...
it's gonna hurt you real bad for a long time.
But listen to me. And this is important.
You can cry your eyes out here at home with me,
but you cannot show these kinds of emotions in public.
- It just hits me in a wave. I can't control it.
- Oh, but you have to. We can't let anybody think
that this was a punishment from God,
'cause it might harm the church.
- The church? - If people think that God
is trying to punish us, they might think
we've been doing something wrong.
Why is God punishing me?
He hasn't told me.
I've prayed to him.
It has been a few months since you gave birth.
You haven't lost the baby weight.
Here, just put on some lipstick.
- You've no idea how long I've wanted to be
in the controls of one of these babies.
- So how many hours you got in the air?
Sadly, none in these.
But I got my private pilot's on single engines.
And I got my VFR certs. So...
Well, props and jets,
and getting certified and rated for instruments?
Two totally different animals.
- Well, I have no doubt he can handle it.
- Okay, well, just so there's no surprises,
you're probably gonna have to cram way more flight hours,
and you're probably gonna have to pony up some serious ka-ching
in order to get certified on this bird.
- Well, I don't think that's gonna be a problem.
You like it, hon?
I'll give you one guess.
- Well, I think you just sold yourself a plane.
(laughing and screaming)
- You know, if you put it in God's hands, you might be surprised.
- And why are you assuming I haven't?
I've prayed about it, I've thought about it, I've talked about it,
but I just... I can't stay with the church anymore.
- I've spoken to your husband and...
he tells me he's determined to stay with Remnant.
- Yeah, well, he's free to do so,
but I'm leaving and I'm taking my son.
Sit with me for a minute.
I've spoken to Gwen about this.
- Gwen doesn't get a say in this.
I understand.
Nevertheless, she has implored me
to see if I can't get you to change your mind.
David...
Gwen is the reason why I'm leaving.
I mean, this whole thing's
starting to feel like mind control.
- Well, that implies some ugly things.
- I am implying some ugly things.
- Your husband's had a heart-to-heart with Gwen.
He don't want to lose his son. Said he'd sue for custody.
- Then I better get myself a lawyer.
Lawyers can be expensive.
Well, not for Gwen. (chuckling)
There are plenty of lawyers within the church
who'd be more than happy to work for her pro bono.
Good for Gwen.
Yeah.
She's already told your husband
that he can count on her lawyers to help him keep his son.
Hey, I'm telling you this as a friend, Adrienne.
Maybe the wiser thing to do is to... rethink things.
- One of the things I most remember
about growing up with my mother
is how every night, to help us go to sleep,
she would sing, "Take their life, O Father,
and mould it in obedience to thy will."
(all murmuring in agreement)
From this obedience comes salvation
and all of God's rewards.
(all murmuring in agreement)
- But does anybody know who you are?
(Joe): Uh, sure. (chuckling)
Gwen here's the author of the Weigh Down Diet,
- which I'm sure you've heard of. - Not really.
It's a huge success. Huge.
Ain't that right, honey?
- It sold over a million copies. - When?
- It was first published in 1997,
and it has been in print ever since.
So... 20 years ago.
- Mm-hmm. - And still in print.
- Mm-hmm. - So the show's about a diet?
- Well, no. This show is about... about us.
- Um, dieting? - Well, not...
not just all about dieting,
but mostly it's about our marriage and, uh...
yeah, and our... our thoughts.
Your thoughts on what?
- Well, I'm also the founder of the Remnant Fellowship Church in Tennessee.
- Oh, okay. Well... that's interesting.
- Mm-hmm. - I like the idea
of a woman starting a church.
- Yeah, well... the show isn't about that.
The show focuses really on me... and, uh... and Gwen.
- Mm-hmm. - Yeah.
Alright. And, uh...
your thoughts.
That's right.
Our daily lives. (laughing)
- Okay, sorry, honey, I-- - What?
- (mumbling) - Hold on a second, honey.
See, you gotta forgive my wife here,
she doesn't come from a, uh, showbiz background.
But... I do.
Joe once played Tarzan.
- Yeah, well, among... among other things, honey. Among other things.
- Mm-hmm. - Oh, can he sing.
- Yeah. And-- - Like an angel.
Yeah.
I play guitar.
- I love the scale and the scale loves me.
Your turn, baby.
- I don't have to weigh myself, honey.
- Sure you do. We all have to keep track, honey.
I don't.
- Are you still upset about the show?
Yeah, I am.
They're all the same, every single one of them.
Least creative people in the world making all the damn decisions.
- It's just not right. - Can't you just step
on the scale just for me?
- Honey, do I look like I need to weigh myself?
- Well, it would just be something you would do for me.
Babe, I weigh what I weigh.
We're just gonna have to shop it around until we find somebody
who doesn't have their head stuck up their ass, that's all.
Well...
I was just thinkin', I produce my videos without Hollywood,
maybe we just do the same... with our show.
- You know what, honey? That's a great idea.
We got the money, right?
- We could always sell that silly plane.
- Come on, it's not gonna cost that much.
I mean, you can't sell the plane.
- (Gwen laughing) - Well, of course, I can.
It's in my name.
But we'll figure it out.
(Gwen sighing)
I just always feel better about myself
when I've stepped on the scale.
But I'm not going to pressure you anymore.
- (clicking tongue) - Let's see here.
Hi. I'm Joe.
And... I'm sitting here beside my beautiful wife Gwen.
So... how many views?
- Hmm. Well, that's 90 grand up in smoke.
- That's 178 views. That's not a bad start.
- Well, it's been up for... three weeks!
- (clattering) - Baby, take it easy.
I cannot fail, Joe.
- We'll just adjust the format, that's all.
- No, you don't get it. People have certain expectations of me.
They rely on me to succeed.
- Honey, no one's gonna think the worst of you.
It's not about the show!
It's about me falling short.
And if I can fall short with that,
then I can fall short at things that are important
to people in the church, and then people start talkin',
and next thing you know, I don't have any control at all.
What do you mean by control?
- I don't want to lose their respect.
- Gwen, honey... - What?
- That's one thing... you'll never lose.
Oh.
- You know what, baby? - Mm-mm.
You're my everything.
(soft music)
I like it.
- Who likes it? - Oh.
Don't let me stop you, Josh.
I heard you playing, so I came in.
- I dunno if I'd call that playin'.
Michael is the musical talent in this church.
Not the only one, apparently.
How are things going with you?
- Things are going great. - Good.
- Can I confess... something to you?
Lately, I've been thinking less about my husband,
because... well, I've been thinking about you.
- Me? - I know, I know, I shouldn't.
It's just...
I dunno, you've got this thing
about you that I just can't stop thinking about.
- Adrienne, your marriage can't be in trouble because of me.
- No. - And I mean...
I'm married.
Well...
I don't see her here.
♪ That's what she does ♪
♪ She spins me right around ♪
♪ You are my angel ♪♪
- Boy! Your whole family's musical.
- (laughing) - Oh, well, hi, Adrienne.
I'm surprised to see you.
Can I assume this means that you've decided not to leave?
- Oh, no, I'm definitely leaving.
Well, that's a disappointment.
And I'm taking my son with me.
- Joe, can you give us a moment, please?
Alright, honey.
- I know your financial situation,
and if you leave your husband, it would be...
oh... what's the word?
More desperate, I guess?
Gwen...
This whole thing...
Remnant, the Exodus Group, your blind followers...
Did you set out to start a religious cult,
or... do you even know what you've created?
Hmm.
I'm doin' God's work, not mine.
And if you can't see that, that's your blindness.
But if I ever hear you've used the word "cult" outside this room,
I will teach you what the word "slander" means.
You can't threaten me, Gwen.
Not anymore.
(panting)
Turns out, your right-hand man Josh is a sinner.
Just like the rest of us.
- (chuckling) - Well...
if that video goes public,
it will not make you look like a very good mother.
- Doesn't look good for the church, though, either, does it?
I mean, what are your followers gonna think of your judgment
picking a man like that to lead 'em?
Yeah, I mean...
What are they gonna think about anything that you have to say?
I'm leaving the church.
I'm taking my son.
And you're not gonna do a damn thing about it.
- If she wants to leave the church, then just let her.
She's taking her son!
And she used a member of the Remnant family to get at me.
- I really don't think that Josh is in any hurry
to talk about what they did together anyway, so...
That is not my point!
Remnant cannot lose any of its children!
Did you forget that I also lost a grandson?
You can't just swing in on a vine and fix this, Joe.
- I'm sorry, honey. - The future of this church,
everything I've built, depends on the children.
I know.
(woman): I'm just at the end of my rope.
- Well, you can't abide a disobedient child.
- Of course not.
But we've tried everything
and we just can't seem to get him to behave.
I'm coming to you on my knees, Gwen.
If anyone knows how to raise good kids, it's you.
- Well, you say you've tried everything. What have you been doin'?
- We did exactly what Josh told us to do:
Take everything out of his room.
We got everything out of there
and locked him in there from that Friday until the Monday,
and only left him in the room with his Bible.
- And that didn't change his behaviour?
Not even a little bit.
My husband has spanked him till his hand is sore,
and he just isn't learning.
Well, he's gonna have to.
We can't spoil these kids.
That's why I called you, Gwen.
(sighing)
- Here's what I think you should do.
We don't instruct our people to lock their children
in trunks and smother them, if that's what you say happened.
Of course not.
However, you have instructed your... followers
on disciplinary methods.
- We believe children should be obedient to their parents.
Straight out of the Bible.
You can look it up if you care to.
- Well, I'd like to play for you something I did look up.
We were surprised in executing our search warrant
to discover you record every conversation
in and out of the church.
But I can't say it hasn't been a goldmine.
(Gwen): Here's what I think you should do.
You're gonna go out and buy some of those glue sticks.
You know, hot glue sticks?
The ones about a foot long.
(Sonya): Okay...
(Gwen): And what you do is you whip 'em
on the back of his bare legs...
That is... that tape has been, uh...
made or tampered with or something.
- If anyone tampered with this tape, Gwen, it's you.
We got this from your saved recordings.
- And you can play it in any order that you want
to make whatever point you want.
Okay.
Well... how about this?
(Sonya): We did exactly what Josh told us to do:
Take everything out of his room.
We got everything out of there and locked him in there
from that Friday until the Monday,
and only left him in the room with his Bible.
I didn't hear me
instructing her to do anything in that clip.
Did you?
Not directly, no.
But you were certainly condoning it.
Nowhere did I instruct her
to lock her child in a trunk. Correct?
Well, then, Detective, I'm confused.
I really don't know what we are achieving here.
So I just want to assure you
that we're gonna get y'all out of here.
The church is gonna cover all your legal expenses.
Oh, bless you, Gwen.
- And I know that what happened was just a terrible accident.
That's what it was.
- Okay, now. Listen to me, though.
I need to know...
why you told the authorities
you were following my instructions
when you were disciplining Josef Jr.
- We were following your instructions, Gwen.
- Strict discipline creates obedient kids.
It saves their souls. I mean...
you do preach that.
You misinterpreted.
Institutions like the Remnant can collapse when attacked
by ignorant claims.
And if the church is no longer there,
it cannot help you get out of here.
So we're not gonna say anymore
that the punishment that you utilized
came from the church in any way.
Are we?
(crying)
(mumbling)
God.
Please tell me what is your will...
(indistinct whispering)
(chuckling) Oh, thank you, God.
I will no longer fear...
or doubt you.
I will... always follow you.
- Mom? - Mm-hmm.
Hi, Michael. Come on in, sweetheart.
Um...
There's, uh, something that I... I've been meaning to tell you,
and, um...
You're not gonna like it.
Um...
my marriage... isn't working.
And...
It hasn't been for a long time.
So... I'm getting a divorce.
Don't try to stop me.
- Honey... if that's what you feel,
you have to do it. I understand.
I do.
Uh... what?
- It's your marriage. It's your life.
- You're not worried that it's gonna
sully your reputation?
- Honey, people are gonna think whatever they're gonna think.
- Alright... wh-what's going on, Mom?
Where's the lady with the iron fist?
The one who wants to control everything and everybody?
- Well, you are free to think that about me,
sweetheart, but I always just wanted to do God's will.
And God has assured me...
that I'm doing exactly that.
- Right. Because you're a prophet.
- Well... I've been called far worse.
(chuckling) We have survived.
(crowd cheering)
Mm-hmm.
Do you hear me?
We... have... survived!
(wild cheering)
But still, Satan never... gives up.
Because we have to strengthen the Remnant Nation.
Jesus has told us that we do not need
to accumulate possessions or wealth,
because that is how we keep this place pure.
We cannot be... half-hearted.
We cannot be... lukewarm.
Lest God spew us out of his mouth!
(wild cheering)
(indistinct chatter)
Oh! Um, hi. Would you put these in the car for me?
Sure, honey.
- Well, hello, Emily. - Hi, Gwen.
- Oh, we were just in town picking up some things for Joe.
We're going down to Florida.
We're all flying down for a rally,
doing some networking.
- Oh, that sounds great. - Mm.
- I suppose you haven't forgiven me for abandoning you.
Oh, Emily.
My forgiveness is insignificant.
It is God's forgiveness you should seek.
(Emily chuckling)
- Yes, well, I suppose all of us should be seeking
God's forgiveness. Isn't that right?
Oh, you know, I found an old photo of us the other day.
Can I show it to you?
Oh, please.
Mm.
Oh!
Those were fun days.
- Yes. You know, I really loved that Gwen.
- Hmm. - Sometimes I wonder
if there's anything left of her in there,
if this Gwen has destroyed her completely.
- Well, I am so happy I ran into you, Emily.
I'll pray for you.
- Yeah, you take care of yourself, Gwen.
- Y'all don't have to worry about me.
God takes care of me. (chuckling)
I survive everything by his grace.
(soft vocal music)
♪ For far too long ♪
♪ I've walked head down... ♪♪
(Gwen): It is only through God himself,
directly, that you... can conquer sin.
But I have always had...
a very special connection with God.
Alright. Hello, hello, hello.
This is your pilot speaking. Good morning.
I want you all to relax, because you are in good hands.
- (laughing) - Oh, Joe.
I've put myself in God's hands from the very beginning
and I've seen miraculous results.
I've gotta believe I'm doin' somethin' right.
- Alright, you ready for takeoff?
- Take us up into the heavens, Joe.
You got it, honey.
♪ You've seen me walking ♪
♪ You've seen me walking on water ♪
♪ Raise my head high ♪
♪ Nothing to lose ♪
♪ Make my way out ♪♪
(Gwen): If it makes them feel better chanting my name,
it's okay.
Because all I hear is... glory to God.
(banging)
(alarm sounding)
(bell tolling)
(Elizabeth): Glory... to... God.
(all): Amen.
- I do know that the question is out there.
Do we give up?
But I know a little something
that the enemies of God don't know.
And that is that I never stuck with my mother
in starting this church for the praise of man.
What man thinks doesn't matter.
It never has.
So I'm not about to start caring
what man thinks now.
The church... will... go on.
(alarm beeping)
No!
Amen.