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My name is Stephen Chukumba,
and I'm the father of Hobbes.

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My name is Frank Gonzales,
and I am the father of Libby Gonzales.

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My name's Jose Trujillo,
and I'm the father of Dan.

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My name is Peter Betz,
and I am the father of Samantha.

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My name is Wayne Maines,
and I'm the father of Nicole Maines.

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My name is Dennis Shepard.
I am the father of Matthew Shepard.

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[soft music playing]

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[Dennis] Last time I went fishing
was in August of 1998.

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It was a family reunion in the Bighorns.

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It was, uh, the last fishing trip
that we had with Matt.

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I still remember running the loop through
and running the…

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the lures or the… the swivel down
and tightening it,

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and then tying a double knot.

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Even if it's been 25 years,
you never lose that.

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It's, uh, ingrained in your…
in your memory.

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[soft music continues playing]

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[Peter] The peacefulness
of standing out there on the water

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and, like, looking around
and quietly fishing,

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but knowing that you all have
each other's back,

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and you're there for each other.

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[Frank] I think back
to some of the outdoors experiences

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that I've had with my dad.

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This is what I want to pass on to my kids.

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Respecting nature, loving nature.

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But it's not safe for us all the time.

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[Stephen] I definitely think
about my child's safety

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when he leaves the house.

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He is a Black man.

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He is a Black trans man.

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He's a Black trans man in America.

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It's a constant conversation
I have with myself

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because I know

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that all parts of this country
are not safe for trans people.

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[indistinct background conversation]

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[Peter] In my daughter's case,

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she grew up in the same town
and transitioned in that town.

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And it was… seemed like it was fine,

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and then she started
to get a false sense of security,

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and when she started to talk
to the other classmates about it,

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that's when it went really bad

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and started losing all of her friends.

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Do you think it was

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the parent?

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[Peter] I think
there was a parent component

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because, simultaneously,
we lost all of our friends as well.

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The America that I grew up idolizing,

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you worked hard, and you were successful.

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You could be anything you wanted to be.
But not these kids.

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-I'm happy that we're at this table.
-[Peter] Right.

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With all of our different backgrounds,

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seeing the same fucked-up shit
happening to all of us,

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and disabusing us from the belief
that this is some happy melting pot

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where we can all just…

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Like, that's bullshit.

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[Jose] I came here
when I was nine years old. I'm 40.

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I still have this feeling
of "I'm not in the right place."

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And then I realize, uh,
it's kinda smoke and mirrors

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because my trans son, who was born here,

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is not just being questioned, uh,
with his rights and everything.

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His humanity is being questioned.

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My son came out,
and I didn't know anything from anything,

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but I knew one of my fraternity brothers
was a pediatric psychiatrist,

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and so I talked to him,
and he was just like, "Frat…

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people aren't gonna tell you this,
people aren't gonna talk to you like this,

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but I'm gonna tell you this right now,

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if we was in my house,
that shit wouldn't be going down."

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I had a therapist in the very beginning,
when we didn't even understand,

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tell us that my profession
wasn't, um, masculine enough.

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The life-changing moment
was meeting Wayne.

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Being able to talk to another parent,
particularly another father.

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My biggest regret
is how I pushed back on my daughter,

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tried to get her
to wear different clothes.

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It's a guilt I'll probably carry with me
for the rest of my life.

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I took it as…
"I'm not engaging my child enough."

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And so I pushed really hard.

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"We're gonna throw the pigskin."

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We had been fighting for so long

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what we already knew.

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The tipping point was Christmas.

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My daughter didn't get
anything she wanted.

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She got all stereotypical boys',
uh, things, boys' clothes.

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The next year, she just wanted Santa
to turn her into a girl.

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[Stephen] When my son first told me
that he felt like he was a boy,

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I was confused because I was by myself.

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I didn't have my wife,

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who was the person on the front lines,
who could have figured it all out.

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[Wayne] I'm one of the first dads
in the country to have a trans kid

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who was out and open in school.

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It was national news.

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So I'd go out in the woods
and just escape.

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One day, I was out, I was all alone.
I'm cutting this tree down.

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Then, this branch comes down.

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I just dodged being killed.

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I sat down, and I said,
"What the hell are you afraid of?"

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It wasn't Nicole.

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It was me.

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I was uncomfortable around my own child.

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[Dennis] I'm the old geezer
who went through this 20 years ago.

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[newsreader] The victim of what many
people say was a hate crime in Wyoming

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this morning has died.

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Twenty-one-year-old Matthew Shepard
was found beaten and unconscious last week

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near the University of Wyoming.

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[Dennis] Walking into that hospital room,

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that's when we knew
that something's not right here.

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He was our son first,

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and we didn't care if he was

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straight, gay…

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He was our son.

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They're fighting the same battle
right now.

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Only it's worse.

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[Wayne] This is almost… It's a little
smaller than the one I caught.

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[Peter] This might be the one I caught.
I think this one is mine.

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-This one's yours?
-[Peter] Yeah.

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-[Jose] Oh, no, this one is mine.
-It was all of yours put together, right?

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[Frank] Compliments to the chef.

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Cheers to some amazing dads.

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[glasses clink]

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[Frank] Amazing men. I love you.

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[indistinct chatter]

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[Stephen] As a single dad

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with nobody to bounce
any of this shit off of,

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I'd be like, "I can't fail them.
Like, I can't fail my kids."

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I'm not even talking about my trans child.

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-I'm talking about all my kids.
-Yeah.

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[Stephen] You hear what I'm saying?
Everybody's impacted by what happens.

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Absolutely right.

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[Stephen] My wife passed away.

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You know, the person
who set up these kids to be successful

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while I was working is gone.

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And now I'm dealing
with my child identifying as… Like…

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-"What?"
-[Wayne] You lost your partner, your wife.

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-You know, man, I did not know that.
-Yeah.

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And it's one of those things where it's
just like you gotta keep moving forward.

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Like, your kids need that stability.

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They need me to be present
and on the front line.

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I'm aware that I cannot do it alone.

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As much as, like, you know, you…
you know, put on your cape

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and, you know, you do what you gotta do,

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the reality is that we cannot survive
in isolation from one another.

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Finding you all

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saved my life.

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[Wayne] It wasn't about fishing.

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It was about sharing.

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A chance for them
to escape for a little while.

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So many trans families don't make it
because the dads aren't on board.

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They gotta fight
and figure out why they're afraid.

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[Dennis] Dads have that masculine image
they want to try and keep up.

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They have to get out and speak.

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They have to show people
that they support their child, uh, 100%.

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[Frank] It was important for me,
as a father, to speak out.

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It was a healing thing.

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[Jose] The thread that connects us all
is that we love our children

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and are willing
to put everything on the line

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for other people's children as well.

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[Peter] In some ways,
it's gotten a lot better,

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and then in other ways,
it's also a very scary time.

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We all need to get back into the fight.

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[Stephen] We're not doing it
with our heads bowed.

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We're doing it
with a full-throated support

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of this movement.

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We're letting people know we're here.
We're not gonna shy away.

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We're not gonna be in the shadows.
We're not gonna be scared.

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We're gonna confront this head-on
because that's all we can do.

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We have to make the way safe
for our children.

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[gentle blues music playing]



