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(faucet runs)
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MARÍA. MADRID, SPAIN
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(children playing)
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(unintelligible prayer)
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JUAN. HARO, SPAIN
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CELIA. ARANJUEZ, SPAIN
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MEDHA. ALBANY, UNITED STATES
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LUCÍA. URUBAMBA, PERU
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DORA. BURGUILLOS, SPAIN
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(intelligible singing)
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VÍCTOR. BARCELONA, SPAIN
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THE POPE ANSWERS
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VATICAN CITY
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FRANCISCO: Good morning. How are you?
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-Bene?
-BRUNO: Bene.
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-FRANCISCO: Bene, ancora vivo.
-BRUNO: Bene.
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Good morning, Your Holiness.
How are you? Good? (chuckles)
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How are you today?
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(clinks)
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(slurps)
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Bruno, won't you have a cup of coffee?
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-I already have. Thanks.
-Ah.
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These cookies are really good.
You should try one.
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Coffee is very good here.
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ROME, ITALY
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(people talking in the street)
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My watch is still in Colombian time.
Right now, it's 6 am back at home.
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(unintelligible)
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-ALEJANDRA: Good morning.
-MARÍA: Hi.
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-ALEJANDRA: How is everybody?
-Hey.
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-MILAGROS: Hi.
-MARÍA: Hi.
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Hi.
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-MARÍA: How is everybody doing? (giggles)
-CELIA: How are you doing?
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VÍCTOR: Hi.
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-MARÍA: Let's talk.
-Here we are.
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Is it the first time you guys are in Rome?
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-MILAGROS: Yes, it's the first time.
-ALL: Yeah.
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-Me too. First time.
-JUAN: Everyone, then?
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MILAGROS: It was my first time flying.
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-MARÍA: For real?
-CELIA: Really? How did you feel?
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I wasn't nervous or anything.
I enjoyed all of it, seeing the clouds…
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I enjoyed it so much! (group laughs)
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Are you guys nervous?
How are you? What do you feel?
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MEDHA: It's the weirdest thing
I've ever done in my life.
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(laughter)
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But I'm ready, I'm excited.
And I have a million questions for him.
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MARÍA: Yeah.
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MARÍA: Maybe the pope can
answer so many of our questions
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and help us understand
why the Church does what it does.
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MEDHA: Do you believe?
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-ALEJANDRO: I do.
-MILAGROS: I do.
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-I do.
-I don't.
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MEDHA: I don't either.
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-I'm a Muslim.
-MARÍA: Okay.
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I think that's valuable, the fact
that you don't believe in God,
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but you can still talk
to that person. I think that's cool.
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I fell short. They are 60.
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It seems you forgot the picture with…
Thanks.
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I'm having a chat with Pope Francis.
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But it's not just a chat like
you'd have with any other person.
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There's a whole symbolism around him,
and what he means… It's a heavy weight.
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VÍCTOR: He's the boss of all the bosses.
I mean, he's the tip of the top.
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-(laughs) Yeah, yeah.
-MARÍA (in English): The big boss.
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(in English) The big boss, that's right!
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I also feel a great responsibility.
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Like, my questions can help other people.
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It's a heavy weight on my shoulders.
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KHADIM: There must be so much protocol
before he steps in. I mean…
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JUAN: I am of two minds about…
I think it could be more intimate
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because this pope is more…
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-Of a liberal.
-Yeah. But, on the other hand, cassocks…
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(laughter)
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CELIA:
Actually, this pope is more laid-back.
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There's not so much pomp about him.
All this protocol… He's not into it.
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FRANCISCO: Bruno, we should take this.
It's for the soldiers, on our way back.
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BRUNO: Okay, sure.
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FRANCISCO:
Yeah, but I'd like one more here.
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-He got pretty stingy. Help me get one.
-Yes.
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(mumurs)
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(unintelligible chatter)
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ALEJANDRA: I'm not the only one
who's nervous. We're all nervous.
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-Will there be selfie time with the pope?
-ALEJANDRA: Yes, there should be.
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-ALEJANDRA: At the end..
-MARÍA: Yeah.
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(liturgical music)
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-FRANCISCO: Is it far away?
-DRIVER (in Italian): About 20 minutes.
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-FRANCISCO (in Italian): 20 minutes?
-Yes.
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Dirty. It's a very dirty city.
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But it's unique. Rome is unique.
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(sirens)
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I can cheer you up if you want.
I stand up there and… (laughs)
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When the pope comes,
tell him you're a rapper
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-and free-style for him.
-WOMAN: Yeah, man.
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(liturgical music)
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DRIVER (in Italian): We will arrive
in two minutes, Holy Father.
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(in Italian) Good. You've done well.
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-DRIVER (in Italian): Thanks.
-(in Italian) Top marks.
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(murmurs, laughter)
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-VÍCTOR: They're coming.
-Close? (chuckles) How close?
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(liturgical music)
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FRANCISCO:
They've mobilized all the police.
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A luxury elevator! (chuckles) Modern!
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(clears throat) Oh, no!
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MARÍA: Hello.
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FRANCISCO: Buongiorno.
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(in Italian) You're all so quiet!
(group laughs)
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Did someone die?
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-MARÍA: Hello.
-CELIA: How are you?
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MILAGROS:
Welcome. We were waiting for you.
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(group laughs) CELIA: Yeah!
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-Welcome. How are you doing?
-VÍCTOR: Fine.
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TEENS: Very well.
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FRANCISCO: You guys are not 50.
(group laughs)
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You're not dead. I'm
here to talk with teenagers.
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-MILAGRO: How are you?
-Hello.
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-CELIA: How are you?
-MILAGROS: May I kiss you once or twice?
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Sure.
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I'd have to charge more for two.
(group laughs)
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-I'm shaking hands.
-Hello.
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That's how we say hello
in my country. I'm from Senegal.
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-Like this?
-Like this.
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-Hello.
-Hello.
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-Hello.
-Nice to meet you.
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-Hello. How are you?
-Hello.
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-Hello.
-MARÍA: It's my pleasure.
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-(in Italian) Hello. How are you? Fine?
-(in Italian) Not bad.
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(group chuckles)
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-LUCÍA: Very nice to meet you.
-MEDHA: Nice to meet you, sir.
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(Medha laughs)
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-How are you?
-ALEJANDRA: Nice to meet you, sir.
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Hello.
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-ALEJANDRA: Over there.
-These kids are too disciplined.
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(group laughs)
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-Yeah, we are.
-We're all nervous.
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ALL: Yeah.
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I don't believe you guys!
I should get ready for you.
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(group laughs)
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-We were so anxious to meet you.
-And that anxiety spent all your energy.
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-Yeah, exactly!
-I should go, then.
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-MEDHA: No!
-ALEJANDRA: No, we were just talking.
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MARÍA: Yeah.
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(in Italian) There.
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(group chuckles) MARÍA: Good.
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-How's your knee? What's wrong with it?
-It's bothersome.
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(room laughs)
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But… I've been able to
walk for three days now.
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How was your trip here?
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FRANCISCO:
Fine. I was seeing how beautiful Rome is.
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-Yeah, it's beautiful.
-So, you came here to talk with the pope.
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(group laughs) CELIA: Yes.
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Isn't that boring, talking
with a priest? Isn't it?
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-No.
-No.
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Actually, it's rather interesting.
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Okay, let's kick off. (group laughs)
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-How do we start? Who's starting?
-Who's the cheekiest one?
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Okay, I will. (group laughs)
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I wanted to ask a personal question.
Are you on a roll?
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What roll?
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ALEJANDRA: A payroll. Usually,
you get paid for being on a company.
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-Paid for what?
-KHADIM: Like a salary.
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Oh. No, I don't get paid. When I need
money for shoes or something, I borrow it.
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I don't get a salary. But I don't worry
about it because I can eat for free.
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So, you get everything for free?
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Yeah. I do where I live.
When I have… higher expenses,
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I try not to burden the Holy See
with it and ask around for help.
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But, in general,
my lifestyle is rather humble.
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It's like that of a middle,
middle-low worker.
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When I realize
a social organization needs help…
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For instance, the other day I heard they
needed a school in Papua New Guinea.
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This person told me they weren't sure
whether they should ask for some money.
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I said, "Of course you should.
Everybody steals money here.
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So I know where I can steal some and I'll
send it your way."
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What do I mean by that?
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When I see somebody needs help, I ask
the person in charge for some money.
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I've been meaning to ask
whether you have a cell phone.
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-A cell phone, a mobile phone.
-No.
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-What about social media?
-No.
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You're on Twitter.
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I do, but it's
the secretaries who handle that.
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-ALEJANDRA: Ah.
-FRANCISCO: No, I don't have a cell phone.
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I was given one when I was ordained
as a bishop, 30 years ago.
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It was like a shoe, it was this big.
(group laughs)
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I thought I'd never use it, but they
insisted I should make a call.
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So I called my sister and gave it back.
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I'm a bit anachronistic about that.
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However, I do understand
everybody does have a cell phone.
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I can honestly say
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that I mean to continuously
communicate with everything.
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And this meeting is a way
to stay in communication.
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-Do you miss your family?
-For sure, how couldn't I! (chuckles)
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MEDHA (laughs): Yeah.
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FRANCISCO: Sometimes, on Sundays
I think they'll be having lunch together,
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eating pasta or having a barbecue.
But what can you do?
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Yeah.
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Actually, the five of us
were very close and…
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Three have already left,
so there's just two of us.
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Excuse me. Is it okay
if I address you more informally?
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-Sure.
-It's fine? Okay.
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I think the Church aims to seek good,
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promote self-development, and so on…
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But, from what I see around me,
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I get the feeling that people are
disappointed in Church, not in God.
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I'm an atheist or an agnostic,
but I totally respect believers.
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Actually, my family believes.
They used to believe.
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Where I live, people
don't go to church anymore.
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I think it's anachronistic, old-fashioned,
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so I wanted to ask
what your point of view is.
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From where you stand,
what's your vision on this subject?
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Yes, it is true that,
mostly in large cities,
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there's a certain abandonment
or distancing.
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And that somehow jeopardizes
credibility before people.
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You're credible when you get involved
along with your testimony.
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For instance, they murdered
a nun a few days ago in Haiti.
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She had been in Haiti for 20 years.
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She would organize and take care
of children who lived in the streets.
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Everybody thought that nun was credible,
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because she would put herself
in harm's way in doing that.
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When there is no testimony,
the Church gets rusty.
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It gets rusty because it
becomes a club of nice people
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who do their religious duties but lack
the courage to get out to the suburbs.
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And I think this is key.
When you look at reality from the center,
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you put up walls even without noticing.
One, two, three.
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They distance you from reality
and you lose grasp on it.
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If you want to see reality,
go to the suburbs.
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To find out what social injustice is,
go to the suburbs.
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When I say "suburbs,"
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I don't just mean poverty. I also mean
cultural or even existential peripheries.
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Why do you think that happens?
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Why do you think some people
climb the ladder within the Church?
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That's a human phenomenon.
We all… (laughs)
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We all like to be comfortable.
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So, when a priest forgets
he is the shepherd of a flock
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and becomes a State clergyman…
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I'd like to underline this.
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-I'm just sharing, this isn't advice.
-Yeah, sure.
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Anyone of us can change
a structure if what we want is just.
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The great revolutionaries
of history changed structures.
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(people talking)
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KHADIM: How can I help? With anything.
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-What do you think is best for me to do?
-Probably, with the bricks.
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-WOMAN: Khadim, what are you doing?
-KHADIM: I'm making it thicker.
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MEDHA (in English): Alright, so I wanna
put all these photos on this string.
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GIRL (in English): Do you have any photos
of India, the trip you did to India?
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MEDHA (in English): I do, I have
a lot. I'm gonna show you them.
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I brought
all my graduation stuff to India.
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My parents made me dress up
and take photos with my grandparents.
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Awww.
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MEDHA: That was really special.
But it's also like a huge deal for them,
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because for women to get
educated is like a really big deal.
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(in Spanish) My parents are
immigrants, just like yours.
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I'm from Boston,
but my parents are from India.
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They traveled half the world
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so I could have the opportunities I had.
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Go to university, get the
chance to go to Med school,
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get rights as a woman…
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I had all of that just
because my parents migrated.
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Since I am the child of immigrants,
I've also experienced racism.
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And I would like to know
whether you've experienced it too.
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I can't say I have. I haven't suffered
racism. It was actually the opposite.
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In Argentina, immigrants were welcome
because they were needed.
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The population of Argentina
is about 46 million right now.
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Of which,
no more than 600,000 are aborigines.
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So, a vast majority of the population
are migrants. It's amazing.
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A mix of cultures that has been good
for us. Did you want to talk? Yeah.
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I come from Senegal. I'm from Senegal.
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My brother traveled to Spain
on an immigrant boat when he was 14.
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So, a 14-year-old boy spent eight days
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traveling at sea on an immigrant boat
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without knowing what to expect there.
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He hoped to get there
and have a good life.
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But, actually, the real journey
begins once you've landed.
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That's really when the trouble starts.
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When you feel different, when you
get stopped by the police on the street,
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when you sleep on the street,
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when you feel lost
because they say you're different.
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And I think it's very sad
that the passport determines your future.
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The problem of migrations should be
addressed seriously.
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Migrants should be welcomed, accompanied,
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promoted, and integrated.
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These men and women are exploited
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to then embark themselves on a migrant
boat
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with no guarantee of making it.
They are exploited, tortured,
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they take all their money,
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and then they are told to they travel
on a certain night.
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When they make it
to the beach, they see the boat.
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If they don't want to get on it,
they get shot on site.
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This is happening as we speak
on the outskirts of Europe.
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And some authorities are sometimes
complicit and the migrants get sent back.
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There are countries in Europe
that I won't mention
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so I don't cause a diplomatic problem.
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But they have little towns or villages
that are almost empty.
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Towns with just 20 elder people
who remain there. Uncultivated fields…
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These countries that are going
through demographic winter.
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Countries with an average age of 46,
they don't welcome migrants either.
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So, they grow old.
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Don't you think that's egotistical?
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"I welcome when I want to, when I need
them."
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That's exploitation. Behind that,
there's a mind to exploit others.
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"I use you. I don't welcome you
as a sibling. I use you," right?
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That's an exploitative mind frame.
Behind that lies the shadow of slavery.
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The migrant is seen as a slave.
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Colonialism is behind
an immature migration policy.
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It's a non-integration policy.
There's some tolerance.
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But, as long as countries
don't reach integration,
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the migration issue
won't be solved properly.
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I also think that, in the USA
and pretty much everywhere else,
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the migration issue and racism
go hand-in-hand.
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Because most of white immigrants
in the USA,
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have lots of rights. They live well.
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But most of non-white immigrants
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don't have the same rights.
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I say this very respectfully.
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It's as if there were first-class
and second-class immigrants.
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If you come from Ukraine
from that big tragedy,
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you are more welcome and fondly welcome,
which is fine.
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However, if you come from Africa,
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you get rejected, or they try to find
a way to send you back.
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The migration issue hasn't been resolved,
and that's serious.
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LUCÍA: You mentioned
the issue of colonization.
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The Church is an institution
that had a central role in colonization.
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In Latin America, at least.
We've talked about racism,
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and we have a Church that depicts
Jesus and Mary as white people,
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which they obviously weren't.
Isn't it contradictory?
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Look, what I think is a contradiction is
not to own up to your own history.
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The Church has been
through the stages you mention.
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But each one of us belong to a society,
a country, and a culture that has a past.
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And owning up to one's past
is hard sometimes.
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Owning up to one's past
is sometimes embarrassing.
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Coherence is especially hard
for Christians. Even at The Vatican.
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Even there. I see spiritual worldliness
every now and then at The Vatican.
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I've asked the Lord to clean it slowly,
but there are leaks everywhere.
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Everywhere.
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A reform of the Church should happen
from the inside out,
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and the Church should always be reformed,
always. As cultures change, so do demands.
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Take slavery, for instance. The Church
didn't say anything about it
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because cultures were like that back then.
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Nobody talks about slavery nowadays
the way they did it then.
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But the Church isn't oblivious and knows.
When I say "the Church" I mean Christians.
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They know there's just as much slavery
as back then, except it's different.
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Take a woman queuing up to get a job.
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They say, "Yes, ma'am. This one suits you.
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It's an 11-hour job for 600 € a month."
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"But I can't live with this."
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"That's your problem.
Look at the queue behind you."
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That's modern slavery,
it's the market slavery.
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Or take a woman, who has to be careful
not to get pregnant
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because they'd kick her out of her job
as soon as they find out she is.
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That's another type of slavery. They're
taking away your right of being a mother.
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Nowadays, there are modern types
of slavery that we church people,
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Christians, should denounce.
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DORA: I'm from Ecuador. I was born there.
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When I was three,
we moved to Seville, Spain.
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So I had to go through the whole bullying
and racism thing.
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Excuse me.
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(sniffling)
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-This is a very sensitive subject for me.
-It is, yeah. Feel free, feel free.
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Thanks.
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So… putting up with all that,
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made me experience depression.
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It also made me have a terrible
relationship with my body,
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which ended up in a case of bulimia.
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I even had suicidal thoughts.
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My whole faith collapsed.
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So, right now I'm looking for happiness
and I'd like to delete my past.
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The Evangelical Church
has helped me a great deal,
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but I'm also seeing a therapist.
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So, I would like to ask whether you are
happy and if you've ever felt lonely.
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I think we have all felt lonely
some time. I certainly have.
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When you feel lonely, you get the most
outlandish ideas to stop feeling it.
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Loneliness is like the winter of a life.
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When the weather is cloudy, so to speak,
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you don't change course. Never.
"Oh, I'm wrong. I'm not okay."
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You stop, wait for the winter to be over,
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and then think whether
or not you should change.
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Dialogue helps a great deal.
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Having loving, caring people around us.
Sometimes, it can be your parents.
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Sometimes, it can be your pastor.
Sometimes, it can be a friend.
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Confidants are good at such times.
But, as for my own experience,
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even the darkest times I had to go
through, eventually were for the better.
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And I did go through awful things in life.
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(thunder)
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However, when life gives you
the opportunity,
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and God gives you the Grace
to own up to them and embrace them,
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those experiences bear good fruit.
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It looks like a storm is coming.
Look at that.
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MARÍA: What's going on? (laughter)
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Sometimes life feels like that too.
Everything seems calm,
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then comes a storm,
and you're left wondering what hit you.
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(thunder rolling and rain falling)
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-FRANCISCO: How old are you?
-What?
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-FRANCISCO: How old are you?
-I'm 22.
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-FRANCISCO: Oh, you're young.
-I'm 22.
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-What do you study?
-Professional makeup.
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-I'm gonna call you to make me handsomer.
-Anytime.
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(somber guitar playing throughout)
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(motorbike rumbling by)
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(dogs barking in the background)
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I think there are more people
who want to talk.
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They wanted to. They had their hand up.
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MILAGROS: I'm from Santiago del Estero,
from a labor-class neighborhood.
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I consider myself to be a Catholic.
I take part in chapel activities.
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Besides that, I'm a feminist.
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I'm part of an organization called
"Catholic Women for a Right to Decide."
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Back in 2019, when I was teaching
the catechism,
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the abortion debate was taking place.
There was something that didn't add up:
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why did the Church want to stand between a
woman and her rights? No?
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I think Jesus would walk with that woman.
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He wouldn't judge her like they would
during mass at a church.
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I know people
who have been through abortions.
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Instead of teaching the Gospels,
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they point at them and call them murderers
and are horrible to them.
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But they go to church to find God's love.
They want to listen to the Word.
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I would like to give something to you.
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To be able to have this,
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and carry it in my backpack has been…
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Excuse me.
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It's been a very hard experience.
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And now I'm so proud to keep it with me.
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I just wanted to give it to you lovingly
and respectfully.
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Thank you.
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MILAGROS: Thank you.
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MILAGROS: Thank you.
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FRANCISCO: You emphasized understanding
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towards the woman who gets an abortion.
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In regard to that,
I always tell priests that,
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when a person in such a situation comes
to them, with a guilty conscience….
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Because abortion leaves such a deep mark
in a woman…
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I advise them no to ask questions
ant to be be merciful, such as Jesus was.
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Jesus welcomes all.
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No matter how much of a sinner you are,
or if everybody leaves you behind,
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the Lord will never leave you alone.
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But the problem of abortion should be
addressed scientifically
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and with certain coldness.
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Any embryology book shows us that a month
after the conception,
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the DNA is aligned
and all the organs are "drawn."
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It is therefore not just a bunch of cells
put together,
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but a systematized human life.
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So, the question that should be submitted
when talking about the morality of this…
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Is it valid to eliminate a human life
to solve a problem?
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You'd go to a doctor.
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So, is it valid pay a hitman
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to eliminate a human life
to solve a problem?
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Of course there are affective situations
that make everything harder
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and can make almost impossible
in psychological terms
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to carry out a pregnancy.
I understand all of that.
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MILAGROS: Yes, but there are realities.
Abortion exists.
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I don't think women
make that decision lightly.
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"Sure, I'm having an abortion.
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It's fine. Problem solved."
No, they do it consciously.
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She is in a dialogue with God. What do we
do with these women? I mean the Church,
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as an institution. What do we do? Should
we put them aside, point at them and say,
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-"No, you're murderers"?
-No, no.
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MILAGROS: Or should we stay with them
and help them decide?
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Should we stay with them, support them?
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00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,120
Regardless of the decision they make,
whether or not it's an abortion. No?
466
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,680
MARÍA: I wanted to say I live
the same things, but from the other side.
467
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,240
On Saturdays, I go to abortion clinics,
stay at the door,
468
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,120
and talk to the girls who are going in.
469
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,760
I ask them what they need
or why they have made that decision.
470
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,480
Many times, they do it out of fear
471
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:58,840
that their parents will kick them
out of their homes.
472
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,920
"I won't be able to study anymore.
I have no money. I'm afraid.
473
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,600
I have too many children
and I can't have any more."
474
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:14,200
If you can find a solution for the problem
that made them get there,
475
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,440
they don't have the abortion.
I've seen it myself many times.
476
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,400
Not as many as I may have liked.
477
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,800
And I have never heard of any woman
478
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,520
who regretted giving
that life an opportunity.
479
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:34,600
For Christians, life is a gift.
And, for atheists,
480
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,000
if you don't believe in eternal life,
how can you take that child's only life?
481
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,480
It's not that I encourage every girl to go
to an abortion clinic
482
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,080
just because I'm wearing this, no! Please!
483
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,080
Just like you,
I take part in church activities.
484
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:57,400
It's just, I am with that woman,
regardless of what she chooses.
485
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,880
MARÍA: You are surrounded by women
who have had abortions.
486
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,880
Don't you see
the suffering abortion causes?
487
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,800
DORA: I'm an Evangelical Christian,
but I liked a great deal what María said.
488
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:16,480
The fact that she goes there and talks,
but there's no obligation.
489
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,560
It's like the pastor…
Excuse me, not the pastor…
490
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,960
Pope Francis said
we should welcome people.
491
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:31,240
And it doesn't matter what awful things
you have done,
492
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,320
the Lord will always welcome you
with open arms.
493
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,800
It doesn't mean you don't feel guilty.
You just chose an abortion.
494
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,280
DORA: You're free to choose what you want
to do. You're free. It's fine, you know?
495
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:50,680
But how can you be free if someone comes
along and judges you about your decisions?
496
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,600
I've never judged anyone.
497
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,400
ALEJANDRA: I'm going to give my opinion.
I'm a mom and, uh, to be honest,
498
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,760
what María says shocks me.
At some point, I thought about it,
499
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,120
but they're not situations…
I mean, when you choose an abortion,
500
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,440
it's your last resort, your last choice.
501
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,520
And it's not just feeding a child,
and putting a roof on their head.
502
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,880
There are people who are not ready to
raise another person.
503
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,760
Their environment, their life…
504
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,200
It always ends up with children
who are not wanted.
505
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,560
I suffered a great deal
during my pregnancy
506
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,720
because my daughter's father left me.
507
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,880
At the time, my father also turned his
back on me.
508
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,560
So it's not just about having somebody
else inside your womb, you feel terrible.
509
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:41,480
Society and people around you desert you.
Everything you've ever known collapses.
510
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,320
Plus, you've got a responsibility now.
511
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:50,840
So, the things you say won't stop
happening, but many women die trying.
512
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,320
MARÍA: As for that feminist tide…
513
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:59,080
couldn't it focus on trying to get
the resources so the mothers could go on?
514
00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:59,960
For sure.
515
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,640
-Mostly the women who do want to.
-Yes.
516
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:06,760
Instead of making abortions safe,
legal, and for free,
517
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,920
we could focus on helping those
who do want to be mothers.
518
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,920
LUCÍA: I think abortion is also a public
health issue.
519
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,760
It takes a heavy toll on mothers' lives,
so…um,
520
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,920
I don't consider myself an abortionist,
I don't want abortions no matter what.
521
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,760
But I'm in favor of not punishing
something that happens.
522
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,160
that has happened for a long time
and will keep on happening.
523
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,240
And, even though it is penalized,
524
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,080
the women with access to this
will be the privileged ones.
525
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,640
High-class women, well-off.
526
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,520
And who suffers the worst consequences?
527
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,400
The women from the peripheries.
528
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:52,480
Women who will use a clothes hanger
or a knitting needle,
529
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,880
who will introduce it into their vagina
to abort. And they will probably die.
530
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,560
On the other hand,
531
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:08,200
it's strange there's this debate
from a guilt standpoint towards women.
532
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:14,560
If there's a person who will make
a decision to abort a pregnancy,
533
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:20,040
they should be accompanied. There was even
a comparison with hitmen.
534
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,920
Women who have abortions done
were compared to people who hire hitmen.
535
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,480
-And I think that's a bit simplistic.
-MILAGROS: Yeah.
536
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:36,680
FRANCISCO: It's interesting how sensitive
you are. And I thank you for it.
537
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:44,040
You realize this isn't a math problem,
but a human problem.
538
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,080
The strongest parts of your arguments
are based on that sensitivity.
539
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,760
I'm not being patronizing, mind you.
I don't mean sentimentality.
540
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,440
Feeling a human problem.
That's what I mean.
541
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:05,200
A woman who has an abortion cannot be left
alone, we should stay with her.
542
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,880
She's made that decision.
She had an abortion.
543
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:15,960
We shouldn't send her to hell
all of a sudden or isolate her, no.
544
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:22,240
We should stay by her side.
But we should call a spade a spade.
545
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:29,440
Staying by her side is one thing,
but justifying the act is something else.
546
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,400
JUAN: I would like to consider, um,
547
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,560
this from the standpoint of the Church
as an institution.
548
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:47,160
Not to generalize, of course,
but there is much hypocrisy
549
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,320
regarding issues such as this one.
550
00:39:53,520 --> 00:40:00,520
It's usually said that lives should be
protected, there's a right to live,
551
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:05,120
it's a sin… But then,
when it comes to other aspects…
552
00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:10,680
For instance,
what about pederasty within the Church?
553
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,880
Many people from within the Church
reject the victims
554
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,760
or stand on the perpetrator's side.
555
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:29,080
Life takes the back seat.
I'm Juan Cuatrecasas.
556
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:35,800
I attended, um,
an Opus Dei school in Bilbao.
557
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Um, during the 2008-2009 school year,
558
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,040
when I was between 11 and 12,
559
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,400
I was sexually abused
by a numerary member.
560
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,040
And well…
561
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,320
Excuse me.
562
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,760
FRANCISCO: It's fine, don't worry.
563
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,320
Express yourself however you want.
Cry if you want to.
564
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,880
Don't worry, son.
565
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:29,280
Anyway… Justice sentenced this man.
566
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Well… First, the Provincial Court
sentenced him to eleven years.
567
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:47,680
But, because of certain reasons
I won't go into,
568
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:54,680
but I think they're questionable…
the sentence was shortened to two.
569
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:03,240
Due to this,
this man did not go to prison.
570
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,240
And he didn't…
571
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,360
JUAN: He was still allowed to teach
where he was.
572
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:26,360
So… May I give you something, a letter?
573
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,720
This letter…
574
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,000
(Juan stutters)
575
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,760
This is a reply to my father.
576
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,880
Because my father, at a certain point…
577
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,280
Back in 2014, my father decided to write
to you personally
578
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,040
to request your support.
579
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,520
Maybe you don't remember the letter.
I can show it to you.
580
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,640
FRANCISCO: Yes
581
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,840
JUAN: This is your reply.
582
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,320
Did you get a reply from the Congregation
for the Doctrine of the Faith?
583
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,240
JUAN: Yes.
584
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,080
I sent it there to rule on this.
585
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,000
JUAN: After we…
586
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:20,880
FRANCISCO: Thanks.
587
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,440
JUAN: …received the letter,
the next year,
588
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,400
the school where this took place
589
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,600
the school of Opus Dei
received another letter
590
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,960
from the Congregation for the Doctrine of
the Faith
591
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:43,000
stating that the investigation
would be archived and that the teacher's
592
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,280
good name should be re-instated.
593
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,800
JUAN: So, I think my question is obvious.
594
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,360
Why did they make that decision?
595
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,280
And now that there's a final judgment
596
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,320
and the facts are out,
597
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:07,240
will the Church
as an institution change its position,
598
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:15,000
or will it rectify the words conveyed
by the Congregation
599
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,200
at some point?
600
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,480
FRANCISCO: These cases of abuse
of minors don't prescribe.
601
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,680
In Church, at least. If they do,
602
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,240
I overrule the prescription automatically.
603
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,960
I don't want this to prescribe, ever.
604
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,200
FRANCISCO:
The issue of abuse of minors is serious.
605
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,360
Not just in the Church, but everywhere.
606
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,760
In the case of the Church is
even more scandalous because you destruct
607
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,760
people in the very place
where you should protect them.
608
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:54,280
There are men and women who destroy.
The abuser destroys a child.
609
00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:00,520
And if it's a church person, the hypocrisy
and double-life are horrific.
610
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:07,000
FRANCISCO: I thank your for reporting him
because it takes courage
611
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,360
to report this. It's not easy.
612
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,200
Social conditioning is very strong.
613
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,560
And sometimes the person who reports it
ends up being accused of slander.
614
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,440
That happens sometimes.
615
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:26,320
FRANCISCO:
It pains me that the sentence was mild.
616
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,680
On the one hand, it seems consistent,
but then it doesn't.
617
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,320
But now that there's a final judgment,
618
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,200
I would like to have the case reviewed.
619
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,360
You can count on that.
620
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,880
You must be aware that there are
many priests and bishops below you
621
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,360
who are bad people.
622
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:56,560
And there's no debate possible.
They are bad people.
623
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,600
FRANCISCO: It is possible that there are
people who aren't good.
624
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,240
Which is why my policy is to clean.
625
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,640
If somebody is doing something wrong,
there should be a report, so we can clean.
626
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,360
There is zero tolerance.
That's the policy of the Church.
627
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:18,720
For instance, when there's abuse within
the family, they are usually kept hidden.
628
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,360
It's between a 42 and a 50 percent.
629
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Hiding it is still a habit.
630
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,160
The Church had always been
tempted to do that
631
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,840
until it realized that shouldn't be done.
632
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:43,400
I can't possibly convey the empathy I feel
for a person who has been abused,
633
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,400
but it pains me deeply.
634
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:56,760
Have you ever spoken with a priest,
bishop, or whatever,
635
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,880
who's been sentenced
or who you know has abused someone?
636
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,760
I have.
637
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,720
What's your opinion,
or what do you get from it?
638
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,880
I've found a bit of everything.
From the person who denies everything,
639
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,280
even the evidence…
They are totally closed.
640
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,240
I've also seen the repented ones,
those who
641
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,080
carry their guilt for what they've done.
642
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:31,280
I have talked to some, yes.
Even to serve a sentence sometimes.
643
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,160
VÍCTOR: I don't think that's a solution,
the fact that you now say
644
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,720
you're bring that case back.
645
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,480
That's not democratic, that's not fair.
This is not justice.
646
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,920
I mean, he had to come here so you
would say that the issue would be solved.
647
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,800
What happens with all the people
who couldn't come here?
648
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,480
This doesn't begin today.
This work began years ago.
649
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,000
We've been clear about this,
we've disciplined the seminaries,
650
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,000
we've punished the abusing priests,
or even the abusing laypeople.
651
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,920
FRANCISCO: We are working hard.
It's in process. This doesn't begin today
652
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,600
just because you guys are here.
653
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,400
But the abuse culture remains.
654
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,240
But the abuse culture is unfortunately
everywhere. The Church is trying
655
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:17,280
to prevent its priests and nuns
from abusing. Nowadays, I believe we are
656
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:23,120
an example of struggle against abuse,
our work in each diocese, at The Vatican.
657
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,320
There are priests in prison everywhere.
658
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,200
LUCÍA: I don't think enough is being done,
considering the people who have survived
659
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:38,400
this have to wait for years for some type
of reply, and alone!
660
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:44,000
If I'm a priest who has abused somebody,
I have a whole institution behind me.
661
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:50,240
But if I'm a person who's been abused,
I have to stand before justice all alone.
662
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,560
LUCÍA: So, how can you say enough is
being done, or even something worth it?
663
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,640
You're re-enforcing something
that's been proven to be useless.
664
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,640
When you raise awareness
665
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:07,680
that the hierarchy of the Church
is of this mind,
666
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:15,120
the person who's been abused is not all
alone anymore.
667
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,160
Because you're raising awareness
that we are with you, we're calling you.
668
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:23,960
Now, when groups
within the church are corrupt,
669
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,800
such as the ones that tortured this boy,
it is harder to feel
670
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,760
supported by the Church, because they've
abused and tortured and so on.
671
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:40,200
But we should regard the Church
on its good path.
672
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,000
FRANCISCO: I'm not saying everything
we're doing will solve the problem
673
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,960
because it's a human issue,
an issue of human degeneration.
674
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:53,480
It's a serious social problem. The Church
should take a step forward and say,
675
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,600
"This is what happened in my house,
and I've made such and such decisions.
676
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,040
This is our path."
677
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,200
It may not be the best path,
and there could be others,
678
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,160
but we're beginning to raise
social awareness. That is key.
679
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,000
(birds chirp)
680
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,640
-WOMAN #3: Now?
-CELIA: No.
681
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,160
-WOMAN #3: Are you sure?
-CELIA: No.
682
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,600
-WOMAN #3: Now?
-CELIA: Yeah.
683
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:48,080
CELIA: No way.
684
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,800
-Comb your hair.
-Right.
685
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,320
That's what I get for taking
a shower at night.
686
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,240
Do you know what a non-binary person is?
687
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,360
FRANCISCO: I do.
688
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,720
CELIA: You do? I'm glad.
689
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,400
Well, in case somebody
doesn't know… A non-binary person is
690
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,920
someone who isn't neither a man
nor a woman, or not totally, at least.
691
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:27,520
And not all the time. There are people
who flow. I'm Celia, I'm non-binary.
692
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,440
And I'm a Christian too.
693
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,560
Sometimes, it's very challenging for me
to live both things at once.
694
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,760
And I've been meaning to ask you
if you see some space inside the Church
695
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:49,600
for trans people, non-binary people,
or LGBT people in general.
696
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,960
Every person is a child of God, everyone.
697
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,240
God doesn't reject anyone,
God is a father.
698
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,000
And I don't have the right
to kick anybody out of the Church.
699
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,840
My duty is to always welcome.
700
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,520
The Church cannot
close its doors on anybody. Anybody.
701
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:19,480
What's your opinion on church people,
or priests, who promote hate
702
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:25,000
and use the Bible to support hate speech?
703
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:30,480
They read the Gospels, like,
"I'm not excluding you, it's the Bible."
704
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:37,640
I'm tired of saying
that wasn't Jesus' message.
705
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,280
Those people are infiltrators.
706
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,960
They are infiltrators who use the Church
for their personal passions,
707
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,120
for their personal narrowness.
708
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,640
It's one of the corruptions
within the Church.
709
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,800
Those narrow-minded ideologies…
710
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,320
Deep within, those people are living
severe inconsistencies.
711
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:06,840
They judge on others because they can't
atone for their own faults.
712
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,280
In general,
people who judge are inconsistent.
713
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,640
There's something within them.
They feel liberated by judging others,
714
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:18,480
when they should look inside
at their own guilt. But the day the Church
715
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:25,200
loses its universality… the blind,
the deaf, the good, the bad…
716
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,000
Everybody, it will stop being a Church.
Everybody has a place.
717
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,160
I have a similar question.
718
00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:37,360
I consider myself to be a feminist
within my church, in which I take part.
719
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:44,240
Do you think I'd be a better Christian
if I weren't a feminist?
720
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:49,080
Feminist has its roots in an adjective,
and I care mostly about nouns.
721
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,760
We have fallen into an adjective culture.
We make everything relative
722
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:00,800
through adjectives and pile them up.
Adjectives are not baptized,
723
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:05,040
nouns are, people are.
And I believe in people.
724
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:11,760
What do you think, or could you picture
a woman in your position?
725
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,920
I mean, even though we women take part
in church activities and support it,
726
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,720
what is keeping a woman
from being in your position?
727
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,240
Supposing you can picture it, that is.
728
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,080
FRANCISCO:
Therein lies a theological problem.
729
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:32,640
There are two constituting streams
within the Church. Two principles.
730
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:35,760
So, the ministry is for men.
731
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,640
On the maternal side, which is far more
important, are women.
732
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:45,200
The promotion of women is aligned
with their own vocation as women,
733
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,240
not with a ministerial machismo.
734
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,400
FRANCISCO: Otherwise, women would be
diminished.
735
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:59,240
Women have a function within the Church
because the Church itself is female.
736
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,640
In languages with grammatical genders,
it is usually female.
737
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:08,840
The Church is a wife,
Christ's wife. It is not his husband.
738
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,920
Christ is the husband. That is our faith.
739
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,200
Women should be promoted. At The Vatican,
the Vice-Governor is a woman.
740
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,480
-MILAGROS: It is.
-Economics are handled by women.
741
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:26,200
So, a woman couldn't be a priest either?
742
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,040
No, because that's the ministry line.
743
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:33,520
Behind your desire to promote,
you're showing… Don't get mad.
744
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:34,440
I won't.
745
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,880
FRANCISCO:
You're showing you adhere to machismo,
746
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,840
because the fact that a woman can't be
a priest troubles you. Do you see it?
747
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,600
MILAGROS: Yeah, because we're occupying
every other position.
748
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:45,880
We're teaching catechism…
749
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,800
FRANCISCO: You're troubled by something
that couldn't happen in dogmatic terms.
750
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,280
And women would be deprived
of their greatest asset. The Church…
751
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,440
No, I don't mean to deprive women
and to get them out of their roles,
752
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,720
but to allow them to take up any role,
just like men.
753
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,880
FRANCISCO: There would be no originality.
This is a serious dogmatic matter.
754
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,360
that does not diminish women.
On the contrary, it emphasizes them
755
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:13,520
where they should be. Being a priest
is not better than not being it.
756
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,880
I respect there are other ideas.
It's fine, but it's not the true idea.
757
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,360
-It's not the faith of the Church.
-MALAGROS: …of the Church.
758
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,520
And it's not diminishing, mind you.
759
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,640
Being a woman
within the Church is very important.
760
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,760
CELÍA: Do you know what Tinder is? Tinder
761
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,160
I don't, my dear.
762
00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,080
FRANCISCO: I'm embarrassed.
I feel old-fashioned.
763
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:43,000
It's an app, a cell phone app
to meet new people
764
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,120
and maybe be in a relationship.
765
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:52,960
It is mostly about sex, but in some cases
it's useful to meet people.
766
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,400
Actually, that's how I met my partner.
I uploaded some pictures
767
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:02,040
and said what I was like and what I liked.
Then, she and I connected,
768
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:03,360
and that's how we met.
769
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,400
No, I obviously don't…
770
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:06,920
(all laughing)
771
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:11,840
FRANCISCO: My phone… Not like this,
this is how you dial now. A normal phone.
772
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,480
MEDHA: Have you never wanted
to be in a relationship?
773
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,080
-FRANCISCO: Never what?
-CELIA: A relationship.
774
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,960
Oh, I was in a relationship
before I entered the seminary.
775
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:18,880
MEDHA: Were you?
776
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,000
FRANCISCO: But then I chose celibacy.
777
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,760
KHADIM: What do you think
about what she said, about Tinder?
778
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:31,960
I don't know. It's fine that people
meet each other. It's normal.
779
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,120
What do you think about that aspect
of young people's lives?
780
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,120
It's funny. Young people have eagerness
to meet and that's a good thing.
781
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,440
One of the things I admire
about young people is the absence
782
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,240
of borders, and I mean it in a good way.
783
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:51,480
You have family borders, country borders,
maybe religious borders.
784
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:58,560
But, as humans, you go further.
One of the great assets
785
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,520
of young people is what I call
the "Christopher Columbus complex."
786
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,080
You want to discover, you want
to go further, you want to take risks.
787
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:11,520
And that is good for you,
because it also teaches you
788
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:16,120
that ideological mind frames are relative,
789
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,800
whether they come from a society,
a political party, or a church.
790
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,920
-My turn. My turn.
-Sure.
791
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:28,600
Okay. I'm Alejandra. I create content
for adults, sexual stuff, pornography.
792
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:35,680
I do it on streaming sites, so it's live.
I have my computer and all my things,
793
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,720
and I go online. I have another website,
which is like a social network,
794
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,160
where I upload the videos, I sell them,
and it all works through social media.
795
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,640
Were you aware of all that?
796
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:56,080
I think that's a good aspect
of the development of communications.
797
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,280
The systems of communication
should save communication itself,
798
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,400
it should keep it from disappearing.
799
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,320
When you communicate through social media,
it should be a one-on-one.
800
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,320
There's a relationship.
Mostly when it is used for work,
801
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,160
but also for communication.
However, there should be a distinction
802
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:27,160
between the richness of social media
and the morality of what you do,
803
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:30,800
depending on what morality is for you.
804
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,320
For instance, if you sell drugs
through these channels,
805
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:42,400
you're intoxicating young people,
you're harming, you're promoting crime.
806
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,560
If you use those channels to make criminal
connections to create social situations,
807
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:55,640
it's immoral. The morality of social media
depends on what you use them for.
808
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,560
Um. I usually have
a certain number of members.
809
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,560
They ask for very specific things,
not always of a sexual nature.
810
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,120
Sometimes, it is very sexual.
811
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:13,000
Maybe lingerie or very specific things,
like customized videos,
812
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:20,520
but I set the boundaries
regarding what I do and what I don't.
813
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,520
If I don't like what they're asking for,
I simply don't do it.
814
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:29,200
MEDHA: I like the fact that you can decide
what your limits are.
815
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:35,880
Pornography is very harmful because,
in the end, it treats people as objects.
816
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,760
A person is ordering you around,
"Do this, do that,"
817
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,680
like you're an object.
818
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:46,040
I'm not sure
you're aware of how that harms you.
819
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,640
Besides, it also harms the person
consuming that.
820
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,960
I'm speaking in sexual terms here.
It's harming them.
821
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,960
This is cold science.
During sexual intercourse,
822
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,800
you secrete some hormones
823
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,280
that create a bond with that person.
So, if you're having sex
824
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,480
with a person you don't know
through a screen,
825
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,360
you're creating a bond with the screen
or with yourself when you masturbate.
826
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:22,880
You're isolating yourself from the world
around you to focus on a screen.
827
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,760
I'm a Christian, so I think my body is
the temple of the Holy Ghost.
828
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:30,200
You're attacking your body.
829
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,200
I think pornography destroys the person,
830
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,200
I really do.
831
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:41,680
It's the only addiction that is treated
832
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,880
in the absence of consumption
of any physical substance.
833
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:51,200
Obviously, pornography diminishes.
834
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,240
It doesn't help you grow.
835
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:58,680
Those who use pornography are diminished
in human terms.
836
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,600
You mentioned drugs as an example. Drugs
also diminish you.
837
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:09,000
And people addicted to pornography are
left in
838
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:15,400
a state that doesn't allow them to grow.
839
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,160
I have a question.
Is there violence where you work?
840
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,680
Um. Websites have very strict policies
when it comes to that.
841
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,440
For instance, there are people
who like to see blood.
842
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:36,000
But that isn't allowed. You get blocked
if you do it. You get banned and
843
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,120
reported, and then you won't be able to
open any more sites.
844
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,760
MILAGROS:
Do you feel safe and comfortable?
845
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:46,360
Totally. When I turn on the camera,
put on my make up,
846
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,560
put on my fake eyelashes and all that,
I feel like a diva. Although I will say
847
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:57,640
Although I will say that the character
took over me. I was so shy before that.
848
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,600
The idea of being here, talking
to all of you, was out of the question.
849
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,080
I would have been terrified.
850
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,440
So, the fact that you can become
a character, a public person…
851
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:09,600
All my social media are public…
852
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:15,160
That allowed me to take hold of my own
body and personality.
853
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:17,520
-And I'm more confident about my beliefs.
-MILAGROS: Yeah.
854
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:22,320
CELIA: Do you also see masturbation as
something wrong?
855
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:28,400
MARÍA: I think it makes you turn inwards
and isolates you from
856
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,560
-MARÍA: the people around you.
-DORA: And real life, anyway.
857
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:36,720
MARÍA: Yes. Because you don't need
another person to feel pleasure.
858
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,760
I think masturbation
and pornography harm people terribly.
859
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:47,400
They slowly take you down a hole
it's very hard to get out of.
860
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:52,800
Don't you know anybody who says
masturbation is something cool,
861
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:59,360
something beneficial? You say you've
seen people suffer due to pornography
862
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:04,280
and masturbation…
Have you seen any good examples?
863
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:05,720
DORA: A good example?
864
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:10,000
-You enjoy pleasure and sexuality.
-CELIA: Sexuality.
865
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:15,240
I think most people
have masturbated during adolescence.
866
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:16,160
MARÍA: Okay…
867
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,560
FRANCISCO: At this point, I would like
to mention a criterion
868
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,200
that will keep us from losing ourselves
in some labyrinths.
869
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:27,480
Sex is one of the beautiful things
God gave human beings.
870
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:34,080
To express oneself sexually is
something rich.
871
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:41,400
Anything that diminishes
a true sexual expression
872
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:48,440
diminishes you as well, it renders you
partial, and it diminishes that richness.
873
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:55,680
Sex has a dynamic of its own. It exists
for a reason. It's an expression of love.
874
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:01,640
That's probably
the core of sexual activity.
875
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:05,080
So, anything that drags you away from that
876
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,440
or that pulls it in a different direction
diminishes sexual activity.
877
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:16,040
Sometimes, while hearing confession, some
people say, "I've done something nasty."
878
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:22,840
Sexual things. Instead of saying,
"I handled sexuality poorly.
879
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,040
Instead of loving another I sought myself"
880
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,040
Catechism regarding sex
is still at a very early stage.
881
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:38,960
I think we Christians haven't always had
a mature catechism regarding sex
882
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,360
It's one of the beautiful things God has
done.
883
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,160
I talk to you very clearly about this
884
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,760
because I don't feel guilty or poorly
about my body.
885
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:53,840
I have a partner. Having sex with them
is not the same as masturbating.
886
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,840
That's acknowledging my body, what I like.
887
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:01,680
If I don't know what I like,
how I like to be touched or looked at,
888
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:05,480
how will I explain it to somebody else?
Or should I simply assume they know?
889
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:11,320
So, to me, this job meant taking down
some barriers
890
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,440
and actually get to know
who Alejandra was,
891
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:21,600
and stop feeling guilt
or fear. And I love what I do.
892
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:27,400
You said we're turned into objects. We've
always been turned into objects,
893
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:32,280
except nowadays I make money for it.
I think this is the best job I've had.
894
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:38,000
I'm amazingly free to be at home.
I am there as a Mom.
895
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,400
From morning
to the moment she goes to bed,
896
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,760
my daughter knows Mom is there.
I'm very helpful at home.
897
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,160
I'm not an absent mother, which I was,
898
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:52,000
when I used to work from 8 am
to 10 pm, and it was crazy during December
899
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,600
At some point, I spent a whole month
without ever seeing her awake.
900
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,240
So, this job has meant a door to freedom
for me.
901
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,240
And it's been
one of the best jobs I've had
902
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,560
because I communicate with a lot
of people and I can be myself.
903
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,560
(soft droning music)
904
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,240
(crickets)
905
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:13,040
ALEJANDRA: Let's go to sleep. Let's go
to sleep, let's go to sleep.
906
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,440
Sleepy time, sweetie.
I'm so proud. You did it!
907
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,480
-DAUGHTER: Yeah.
-Yeah, you're finished.
908
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:26,960
The year is finally over.
How do you feel? No more waking up early!
909
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,000
DAUGHTER: Yes, no more waking up early,
no more role calling!
910
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,760
-Are you ready for your new school?
-DAUGHTER: Yeah.
911
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,040
ALEJANDRA: Did you like what I showed you?
Yeah?
912
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,320
DAUGHTER: I love you.
913
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,320
ALEJANDRA: Sleep tight, bug. I love you.
914
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:42,440
(bed creaking)
915
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:43,880
I'll turn off the lights.
916
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:48,600
(light switches off)
917
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,240
(soft droning music continues)
918
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:54,600
(wind sounds) (bird calls)
919
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,120
WOMAN FRIEND #1: Did you go to the party?
How was it?
920
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,880
MARÍA: My aunt's? Fine. It was fun.
921
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,160
WOMAN FRIEND #1: Where was it?
922
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,560
MARÍA: At an estate that was…
It didn't feel like Madrid.
923
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,000
It was the countryside.
924
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:09,360
WOMAN FRIEND #1: So, José was there?
925
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,880
-MARÍA: He was.
-WOMAN FRIEND #2: Yeah? He was at the
926
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,360
-WOMAN FRIEND #2: birthday party?
-WOMAN FRIEND #1: With the whole family?
927
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,160
-MARÍA: He's been there before. (laughs)
WOMAN FRIEND #2: (laughs) He already has!
928
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,560
(soft music)
929
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,840
-WOMAN #4: O God, come to my assistance.
-MARÍA: O Lord, make haste to help me.
930
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,200
WOMAN #4: Glory be to the Father, and to
the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.
931
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,200
MARÍA: As it was in the beginning,
is now, and ever shall be. Amen.
932
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:35,120
Let's sing with joy along with the voice
of the Holy Shepherd. Let us thank God,
933
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:36,720
who is the light and the guide.
934
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,320
WOMAN #4: Lord, I would like to pray for
my parents, may you bless them.
935
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,240
For our catechumens, our catechists,
936
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,480
for all your Church, Lord.
For all the people in pain
937
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:50,520
and do not know you. For all the people
who are having a hard time now, Lord.
938
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,160
I'm María. I'm the eldest of six siblings.
939
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:56,880
I was born in a Christian family
940
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,520
where Christ has
always been the center of the family.
941
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:08,520
Since my childhood, I've lived
my parents' faith. We had no choice.
942
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,360
We belong to the Neocatechumenal Way.
943
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,920
On Saturdays, Eucharist.
944
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,400
"If you don't want to go, you live
under my roof, so you will." Early on.
945
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:24,840
But I'm already old enough to have chosen
a different path.
946
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:30,640
In my life, I have seen God exists.
947
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,920
I don't know whether it
is a good thing or not,
948
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:35,160
but I see everything
from a faith perspective.
949
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:43,560
I have seen the Church loves and welcomes
me when even I don't love myself.
950
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:51,880
I think all the subjects we discussed
here are very important
951
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,120
because they all affect us.
952
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,520
But I notice
953
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:02,960
concerning loss of faith.
954
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,760
It's not that
all of this is irrelevant, it's not,
955
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:16,960
but I think feeling loved
by the Lord is enough for me.
956
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,280
I don't need…
957
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,160
I understand the suffering of a woman
who wants to have an abortion.
958
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,520
I understand an immigrant's suffering.
959
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:31,040
I understand the sufferingbof a person
that feels left aside by others.
960
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:37,720
But I see everything takes
the back seat when you have God's love.
961
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,640
Suffering brings you closer
to Christ, which is what makes you happy.
962
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:46,560
In general, I live surrounded by people
who are very close to the Church,
963
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:51,280
but I don't see real faith.
964
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,920
Yes, they go to mass,
965
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:01,520
they believe in God, but I get
the feeling that few have a deep faith
966
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:06,320
and really live it
in every aspect of their lives.
967
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,840
I don't know…
968
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:13,440
Your testimony of faith touches
my heart, because you need to be brave
969
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,200
to say what you are saying in this
gathering.
970
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:21,160
And that's a good thing, that is nice.
Thank you for your testimony.
971
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:26,960
I like what you're saying because you're
sharing your experience, your truth.
972
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:35,640
And having faith is a grace,
it is a great grace.
973
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,320
But, while you were speaking,
974
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:44,560
I felt the desire to tell you something
that Jesus said to Peter.
975
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:51,720
What did Jesus tell Peter?
"Peter, Peter… Satan has asserted
976
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:58,800
the right to sift you like wheat."
This is not the end of your path.
977
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:02,120
Your faith path goes on.
978
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:08,160
And faith is proven when it is authentic.
979
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,400
So, I don't mean to startle you…
980
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:13,240
MARÍA: Not at all.
981
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:17,480
FRANCISCO: But take heart and brace
yourself for the test. Keep on doing
982
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,880
these things right, but don't fear when
the test comes.
983
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:26,120
Because the Lord is also hiding during
dark times.
984
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,480
The people who are outside the faith,
985
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:35,080
I see people who have their world fall
to pieces. That startles me.
986
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,600
FRANCISCO: That's right. It is a pity.
987
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:41,240
MARÍA: And it pains me they don't manage
to…
988
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:47,000
Yes, hope doesn't do its thing. And hope
doesn't let you down.
989
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:51,800
If you bet on hope…
Hope is like an anchor.
990
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:57,200
If you toss it towards the shore,
you pull the rope until you get there.
991
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,760
But the anchor always stays there.
992
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,560
Hope never lets you down.
Sometimes, we must struggle to keep it.
993
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:06,480
How old are you?
994
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:07,560
Twenty.
995
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:12,400
Twenty. You will have a nice life.
Keep fighting
996
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,320
and allow the Lord to sift you.
His love sifts us.
997
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:20,840
-MARÍA: Thanks.
-FRANCISCO: Thank you.
998
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,120
(sweet music)
999
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:37,600
(laughter)
1000
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,680
(birds chirping)
1001
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:06,320
I'm Lucía. I'm 25 and I'm from Peru.
1002
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:14,720
I was a nun some years ago.
I was a Catholic, a real believer.
1003
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:19,400
I think my faith always came
from love, from honesty,
1004
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:24,440
from a very honest search for…
1005
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:29,800
not just God,
but a strife to reach people.
1006
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:35,400
I've had a very close relationship
with pain. I still do, actually.
1007
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:43,720
I'm not a Catholic anymore,
nor am I a believer.
1008
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,160
I don't know what exists and what doesn't.
And I'm actually calmer.
1009
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,200
I'm calmer, happier.
1010
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:56,120
Actually, they asked here
if we'd been in Rome before,
1011
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,800
and I was, a few years back.
1012
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:05,600
And I remember very vividly the day
I was here. I was at the Sistine Chapel,
1013
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,760
visiting The Vatican
during a totally spiritual trip.
1014
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,320
I also visited Lourdes and Fatima.
1015
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,680
But I was there on that day
after having many faith crises.
1016
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:21,320
There's not just sexual abuse
in the Church, but psychological too.
1017
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,880
I think religious training is
based on psychological abuse.
1018
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:30,880
I was taught at a place
where I wasn't allowed to see my family,
1019
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:35,480
I wasn't allowed
to communicate with people.
1020
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,560
Texts, emails, and phone
calls were monitored.
1021
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,440
I didn't have access to information.
I couldn't leave the house.
1022
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,600
I tried to fight
for my faith in every way I could.
1023
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:56,400
And, in the end, I arrived in Rome,
the Vatican, and I came full circle.
1024
01:15:56,480 --> 01:16:01,880
I realized this made no sense
to me. I'm looking for love,
1025
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:09,160
I'm looking for people. I want
to relieve their suffering somehow.
1026
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:15,920
And I don't think it makes sense
from this wealthy and powerful place.
1027
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,960
It's very easy to talk about suffering,
1028
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:24,440
to talk about poverty
or any other ailments from there.
1029
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:30,400
And I had met love in many ways.
1030
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,960
But once I left the Church,
once I stopped believing,
1031
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,280
I found love more authentically.
1032
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:43,680
So, I've always wondered,
from a very genuine curiosity,
1033
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:45,760
what is love for the Church?
1034
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:51,560
What is referred to as love
from a religious perspective,
1035
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:56,280
when God has been built on violence?
1036
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:01,160
Okay. Look…
1037
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,720
The true Church is at the peripheries.
1038
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,440
At the center, there are good people,
there are saintly people,
1039
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:15,440
but there is also a lot of corruption.
And that should be acknowledged.
1040
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:22,240
A lot of harm has been done
to the ecclesiastic institution,
1041
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,240
to men and women of the church.
1042
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,440
What you say about abuse of power is true.
1043
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:36,800
I've heard so many stories.
I've also had to have inspections sent.
1044
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,080
Convents where there
was an abuse of power.
1045
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,560
Nuns who couldn't call their families.
1046
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:49,720
Just as you say. Total isolation.
A total abuse of power.
1047
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,600
Sometimes, when one is
in situations like the one you described,
1048
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:59,840
and I believe you, unfortunately
that does happen within the Church,
1049
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:03,680
when you're in a situation such as that,
the bravest thing to do is to run away.
1050
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:10,640
That is, take some distance
and "To your tents, O Israel."
1051
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:16,560
It is a bad place, a place of corruption.
This convent dehumanizes me.
1052
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:22,120
I'm going back to my starting point,
to seek humanity in my roots.
1053
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:28,120
I'm not scandalized by that.
But a spade should be called a spade.
1054
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,000
I don't mean to convince
you at all. I respect you.
1055
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,440
But in you I see
the pain of so many people
1056
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:41,080
who have had to suffer
these ecclesiastic abuses.
1057
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:45,280
I don't see it in terms of pain.
1058
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:48,680
It's probably the best thing
that has happened to me.
1059
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:52,240
Of course. You saved
your life from a situation
1060
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:57,040
in which you were a prisoner
in psychological and moral terms.
1061
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,480
You saved your life,
but your life isn't over.
1062
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,640
It goes on and, even though you don't
realize it, somebody is with you.
1063
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:06,560
There's somebody with you.
1064
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:11,720
Let them be with you even though you
don't pay attention to them.
1065
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:12,760
(Lucía chuckles)
1066
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,000
Though I would give you a word of advice.
1067
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,400
Take care you don't get
tangled up in ideologies.
1068
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,160
Be yourself with your personality
and your coherence.
1069
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,120
Don't be enslaved by an ideology.
1070
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:32,840
You should choose your ideas
and seek coherence in your life.
1071
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:36,560
That coherence between what you think,
what you feel, and what you do…
1072
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,720
the language of the mind,
the language of the heart,
1073
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:39,720
and the language of the hands.
1074
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:45,440
You're in good hands. Keep walking.
I'm saying this nicely. I am.
1075
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,160
-For sure. That's how I'm taking it.
-FRANCISCO: Walk on.
1076
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:56,320
Thank you all. Each one of you
has been brave enough to tell the truth,
1077
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:01,520
and I liked it because each one of you
said it with your own personality.
1078
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:07,160
And from your own experiences,
even from your own conflicts,
1079
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,040
because we all have our own.
1080
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:15,360
Just as we all have
our traumas and our flaws.
1081
01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:23,120
Back in Buenos Aires, when I was
a student, an old priest would say,
1082
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:29,040
"Brother, you should pat
your flaws and traumas like a dog.
1083
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:33,600
Don't fight with them before it's time.
Life will put them in their place."
1084
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,640
I've learned a great deal from you.
This has been very good for me,
1085
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:42,080
and I thank you for it.
Every one of you, no exceptions,
1086
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,720
each one of you, from your point of view.
1087
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:51,560
I would even dare to advertise
this is the path of the Church.
1088
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:54,520
We are all siblings, we are all united.
1089
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,560
Each with their point
of view, their position.
1090
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,280
It may be more or less distant, but we're
siblings, nonetheless. Fraternity.
1091
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:07,160
We're walking on. And this fraternity
business is not negotiable, ever.
1092
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:12,440
We can discuss ideas, but not fraternity.
Thank you. I thank each one of you.
1093
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:13,720
ALL: Thank you.
1094
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:17,560
And go on. Life is
beautiful. It really is.
1095
01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:20,040
We should take care that it bears fruit.
1096
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,960
-MILAGROS: Yes. For sure.
-Thanks.
1097
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:24,080
THE POPE: ANSWERS
1098
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,440
(club music)
1099
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:32,920
WOMAN: Ready, go!
1100
01:21:37,480 --> 01:21:38,920
(excited laughter)
1101
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:39,880
(indistinct)
1102
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:41,640
Empanadas!
1103
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:44,240
Empanadas!
1104
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:48,960
(indistinct singing)
1105
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:01,240
(indistinct)