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This programme contains
some strong language
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Where were you when you got
the call that she was missing?
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In my kitchen here, in this house.
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It was a Saturday afternoon,
I got a telephone call from her
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flatmate, who said that she
didn't come home last night.
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And I said, "Well, she has just lost
her telephone so she will turn up."
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When she didn't do that,
my worries started to grow.
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Later in the day,
she called back and said, "No,
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"she's not coming home.
I think you should come over."
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So I was very depressed on the
plane over, I started to cry
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because I knew at the time that
we would never see Martine again.
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NEWS ARCHIVE: Martine
Vik Magnussen was attacked
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after a night out with friends.
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The 23-year-old business student
was raped and murdered.
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Her body was found partially buried
under rubble.
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This is the prime suspect,
Farouk Abdulhak,
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the son of one of the
richest men in Yemen.
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I heard about the case
when it happened.
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My best friends are Norwegian.
They asked me,
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"Do you know a guy called
Farouk Abdulhak from back home?
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"A girl we know, Martine,
has been killed in London."
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And it was really shocking.
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I was ashamed that the main suspect
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was from the country I come from.
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NEWSREADER: Farouk Abdulhak
fled to Yemen
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within hours of Martine's
disappearance.
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As a parent, that is the
hardest moment of my life.
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Very close, nearly physically,
to be ripped apart.
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I met with Odd Petter,
Martine's father.
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And he was so desperate for answers.
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NEWSREADER: If Farouk Abdulhak
is as innocent as he claims,
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why doesn't he return to Britain
and help police solve this murder?
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Now we're 14 years on
and that hasn't changed.
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No journalist has ever been
able to speak to Farouk -
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not even the police.
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There are only two people that
know what happened that night,
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and Martine isn't here to tell us,
so it has to be Farouk.
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We're from the same
circle of people in Yemen,
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and there's more than one avenue
I can take to reach him for answers.
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He's typing, he's typing!
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Martine!
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Martine!
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Martine was a very enjoyable
person to be with.
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She was very social.
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She was witty,
had a great sense of humour.
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She very soon got
interested in horses.
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I managed to get some sort of
agreement with a local farmer
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here where we hired a horse.
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She actually took the horse
one day and
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rode into the schoolyard, of course
without permission from anybody.
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She was a human being
of her own opinions.
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She was extremely tough
to argue with.
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Martine was the explosion of
a social talent and she was
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so much adored and liked.
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I was a little bit anxious
about Martine studying in London,
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the biggest playground in the world.
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How are you?
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Good to see you! Good to see you!
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How's it going? Fine,
thanks. Yeah? Good.
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How are you feeling?
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I'm fine in a way
but, of course, this is
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the anniversary of Martine's
passing, and we are going up to
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Regent's University, where
she studied, to put down flowers.
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Yeah. So this is a sad
sort of day for me.
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I'm going to leave you
to have a moment. Yeah.
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It's as if time has
stood still for him
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from the moment that Martine died.
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You know, like his whole world
is on pause, and the only thing
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that's moving is him trying to
get justice for his daughter.
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I started trying to find Farouk
three years after Martine's death.
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The case wasn't moving,
and his lawyer insisted
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he was innocent of murder.
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Farouk isn't just any Yemeni -
he is the son of Shaher Abdulhak,
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one of the richest men in Yemen
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and close friends of the then
president, Ali Abdullah Saleh.
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We went to Yemen.
We spent months looking for Farouk.
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And then we received threats
from the president at the time
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to drop the story and leave.
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And so we did.
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We left because it just wasn't
the right time to be poking.
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It was really volatile
at the time in Yemen.
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I was more terrified of telling
Odd Petter that we were no longer
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going to work on this than
I was of telling my editors
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because I knew he had
so much faith in me.
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But the environment in Yemen
has changed.
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Farouk's father is dead now,
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there are different
players on the ground,
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and the protection around Farouk
has weakened.
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It seems like he is more
reachable than he ever was.
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And so that gives me a lot of hope.
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The ultimate goal is to be able
to speak to Farouk myself,
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to ask him first-hand
what happened that night
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and why the hell hasn't
he handed himself over
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to answer all the questions
that all of us want answered.
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I want to ask all of you, just
tell me a bit about Martine.
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You guys lived in the
apartment together. Yeah.
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What was that like?
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She was always up to something.
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She could prank call you.
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She could...
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She would hide my stuff
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and watch me look for it.
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That's a good example!
That's a good one.
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Is there anything that kind of
triggers a memory of Martine?
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That Chanel perfume.
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She would shower in it.
Definitely the fragrance, yeah.
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She loved life and I remember
she said it often as well.
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She just loved it.
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She was this like blonde,
curly, happy, bubbly...
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..whirlwind. Mm.
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That particular night,
she was just celebrating and dancing
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and having fun.
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She was just very happy.
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This is...
..Europe's biggest dancefloor.
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It was Martine and I getting ready,
we were going out.
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We were just listening to music,
borrowing each other's clothes.
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Just having fun before
the night out.
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She texted Farouk.
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They were just talking about where
and when and who was going out
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and who was not.
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She was always very eager for us to
meet him and to hang out with him.
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She said he was a very funny guy
with a good sense of humour.
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My impression of him the first time
I met him was that he was nice.
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Maddox was the place
to go on a Thursday,
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so it was obvious that
we were going there.
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We all actually ended up going
with our friends to Maddox
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that night...
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..and then Farouk just joined us.
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I couldn't put my finger on it,
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but he was different than
the first time that I met him.
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Uh, he was acting strange
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because he was just standing
next to Martine all night.
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I think it was me or it was you who
took a picture of the two of them
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and he got quite upset.
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I don't think she thought
that he was being different.
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She was talking about an afterparty,
yeah, with him and some friends.
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Taxi!
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I talked to Nina when I woke up
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and she said that Martine
hadn't come home.
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We didn't really think
much of it to begin with
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cos we sort of knew where she was.
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I just thought that she...
she had spent the night with
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Farouk at the...
She fell asleep at the afterparty.
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She sometimes crashed there
because it was closer to...
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..the clubs and the bars
and everything.
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So it was just, instead
of taking the taxi home,
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she would just sleep
at her friend's.
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That night around 11, we got home
and then we were really worried.
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Yeah, when it was empty,
the flat was empty. Mm.
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Thale and I went to
the police station
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and reported a friend missing
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and...well, they didn't
take it very seriously.
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I think he said something like, "Oh,
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"are you sure she's not just gone
home with some bloke and whatever?"
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Um, and I remember we took
quite offence to that. Mm.
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Did you try calling Farouk?
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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Nonstop.
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PHONE RINGS
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Leave me a message
and I'll get back to you.
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I noticed that he has updated his
status to "Farouk is home alone..."
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..so that was a big red flag.
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I went to another police station
with a friend of mine
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and, while I was there, that's
when I was told that Farouk had
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actually deleted his Facebook...
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..and something clicked
with the police,
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and they started to take us
seriously from then on.
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I got the call regarding
this particular case
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relatively early on
the Sunday morning.
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So I met the borough
detective who was
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leading on this at
Farouk's apartment.
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I just saw something that was
tantamount to a crime scene -
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objects that were in places that
you wouldn't expect them to be,
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and, primarily, we found
a piece of Martine's clothing.
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At this time, we're still
trying to find her.
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And so we decided, right,
let's start from the inside,
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let's work outwards,
and let's search the building.
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Immediately, you could recognise
that the basement was not
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just a completely sealed-off area
to the residents of this flat.
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It was just about understanding
what rooms were there
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and looking in every one.
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And when they went into that
room, I think, you know,
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it was immediately obvious to them.
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That's where we found her.
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We knew that the family
were actually in the air.
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They were flying
from Norway to the UK.
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We decided, right, let's get some
uniformed officers to meet them,
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to take them aside,
let's let them know straight away.
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Coming in to see her lying there,
with a red carpet over her,
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just the face with
some bruises on her nose,
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that is...
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..a situation beyond
comprehension, really.
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I knew that this was the last time
I was going to see her.
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So, after a while,
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when we were sitting,
the whole family around her,
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the others left the room.
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I couldn't leave Martine.
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I just couldn't leave her.
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So, I stayed on for five minutes...
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..saying goodbye.
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Our charge is for rape and murder,
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so we are saying
this was a sexual homicide.
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Immediately, you're trying
to understand suspects.
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There was an outside inquiry team.
"Right, you're on Farouk."
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So, they followed the trail
as far as they could.
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They're then down at the airport.
You know, they're looking.
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There was a confirmation
of seeing him going air-side,
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and going. So, for us,
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it was trying to establish,
well, where is he now?
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We know he definitely got
the flight to Egypt,
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and then we established
the Yemen connection.
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We were confident that
that's where he was.
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We believe he is in the Yemen.
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That's a country that we don't have
an extradition treaty with,
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and as such,
we're in a difficult position
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where we need to work closely
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with the Home Office
and the Foreign Office
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in order to try and secure
his return to the UK.
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Well, I hope that all Norwegians
recognise the sincerity
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and the seriousness with which
this case is being treated
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by the British authorities,
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and the determination
of us to find the culprit
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and ensure that
he's brought to justice.
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When Farouk fled to Sana'a in 2008,
Yemen was peaceful,
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but a few years later,
a revolution broke out,
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and then war threw the country
into chaos.
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A group called the Houthis,
who live in the far north of Yemen,
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they started taking control of,
like,
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all the state institutions in Sana'a
and taking over the city.
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Yemen is split by a fierce civil war
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between the internationally
recognised government
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backed by a Saudi-led coalition,
and Houthi rebels allied with Iran.
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The first air-strike
dropped right over here.
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Around six to seven minutes later,
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the second air-strike
dropped over here.
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Sana'a, where Farouk was living,
was heavily bombed.
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The Saudi-led coalition's aim
is to strike a strategic,
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symbolic and financial blow
to the Houthis.
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Yemen's former President,
Ali Abdullah Saleh,
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was killed by the Houthi rebels,
who are basically now in charge.
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REPORTER: A fighter,
Abu Ahmed, said,
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"Thank God for the great victory
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"and the end of the most corrupt
leader in the Islamic world."
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Farouk's family
have all left the country,
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but he's stuck there,
and if he travels outside of Yemen,
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he risks being arrested
and sent back to the UK.
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So much has changed in Yemen,
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and things that blocked me last time
are now gone.
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I really want to speak
to Farouk myself,
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and there's more than one avenue
that I can take to reach him.
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So, first of all, I wanted
to talk to you about what you know.
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Like, do you speak to him?
Are you friends with him?
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Mm-hm.
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Mm-hm.
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Why? Why doesn't he go out?
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Mm-hm.
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No. I want to, but I just don't...
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I don't know how, who to speak to.
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I'm working on this story
which you probably know about.
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The main suspect in the murder case
is Farouk Abdulhak.
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Because I'm Yemeni,
I've been trying to kind of get
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more information on that side.
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INDISTINCT SPEECH OVER PHONE
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Wow. That's one of
my family friends,
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and he actually has been able
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to get me Farouk's number.
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But I guess now it's a question of
what to do with it.
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So, a friend of mine
sent me a picture of Farouk.
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It's, like, the latest picture
of him out there.
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Can you see him? Just there.
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He's, like, bald now,
with a beard, glasses.
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And, apparently,
this is from his dad's funeral.
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He told me that
Farouk has a Snapchat account,
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so I'm going to try and find him
because I have his number.
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He's on it. Look!
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He's bald with a beard,
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exactly like the picture
we just saw.
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I can't believe it.
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I think I should add him.
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SHE GASPS
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He accepted me!
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Oh, my God!
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SHE GASPS
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He's typing.
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He's typing.
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He replied.
I don't know what to say!
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I'm going to say,
"Are you from Yemen?"
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He's typing.
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He said, "No way, me too."
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I've asked him where in Yemen.
I don't know.
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I'm just trying
to keep the conversation going
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while I decide what to do with this.
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"I work in stock and cryptos."
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And that's what that source told me.
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He told me that
the police called him
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and told him that Farouk is working
in cryptocurrency in Yemen
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and that they're tracking it down.
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He asked me how old I am,
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and then I told him how old I am,
and I was like, "How old are you?"
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And he said 35,
which is how old Farouk is.
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Like, everything matches up
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to it being really Farouk Abdulhak
that's behind the Snapchat account.
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He won't send me a photo.
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SHE SIGHS
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It's just...
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You know, it's crazy, number one,
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but I also feel like this could be
the closest we ever get to Farouk,
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so it's definitely a breakthrough.
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This is so surreal.
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PHONE BEEPS
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He just sent me...
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Oh, my God. It's a barbecue.
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When we first started chatting,
Farouk was, like, talking nonstop.
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I'd log into my Snapchat
just to check,
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and there would be tons of messages.
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He was telling me everything.
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The question is,
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can I secretly record
our conversations?
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Because I know, if I ask him for an
on-the-record interview right now,
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he's going to shut down.
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So, if I carry this on,
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he might tell me what happened
that night.
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Whatever you film
ought to be moving things forward,
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so it ought to be, you know,
proving the wrong-doing
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that you want to expose
or giving you sort of information
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that is, you know,
substantive to the case.
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And you may have
to talk about other things
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to sort of get him
to feel relaxed. Yeah.
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Because secret filming is set up
to catch somebody's behaviour
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that is breaking the law or
is in the public interest to expose.
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So, because he's the only suspect
in this murder case,
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we can justify secretly recording,
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as long as I tell him
I'm a BBC journalist.
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I mean, the plan is, I guess,
to tell him who I am
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and that I want to tell his story.
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And then, hopefully,
he'll carry on talking to me.
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Sort of, you know,
"I think we've built up trust...
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"..but I don't want us
to talk any further
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"until you know exactly who I am."
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I think it's quite important
you say that.
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I'm so nervous.
I've got butterflies.
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He's probably googling the shit
out of me now.
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He's not even typing.
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So, we knew this would be a risk.
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He's, like, completely
out of the app now.
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I feel like what upsets me
the most about this is
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what am I going to tell Odd Petter?
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We got in touch with Farouk,
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but we didn't even ask him
about what happened that night.
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How am I going to look him
in the eye and tell him...?
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Oh, my God. He's typing.
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He said, "Shit happens in life
for a reason. I don't know why."
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More of today's news now.
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The son of an Arab billionaire has
denied killing a Norwegian student
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who was found dead
shortly after he left the country.
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REPORTER: They've named him
as Farouk Abdulhak
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from the Middle East, who lived at
the flat where her body was found.
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He's thought to have been with her
the night before she went missing,
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and they both went
to the same college.
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Did she ever tell you guys
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about him wanting to get
in a relationship with her?
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I think he tried to kiss her once.
Yeah, he did. Yeah.
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And she said,
"No, we're just friends."
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And she was like, "Oh,
and he accepted it and it was fine."
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Like, we all kept saying,
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"This guy obviously has
a crush on you,"
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and she would be like,
"Oh, no, he doesn't.
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"Oh, it's not like that.
We're just friends."
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00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,120
And then we didn't think
any more of it.
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He was her friend.
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00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,160
Yeah, she really cared about him.
It was obvious.
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She said that she felt bad for him
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because he didn't seem to have
a good family relationship,
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like, grew up the way that she did,
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with this really, like,
close-knit, tight family.
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So, she always sort of...
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I don't know. She had
a lot of empathy for him...
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Yeah. Mm. ..because of that.
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REPORTER: Farouk is the son
of a billionaire businessman,
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Shaher Abdulhak.
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Police believe his family
could be an important part
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of getting him back to the UK.
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Shaher Abdulhak,
before this incident,
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was this incredibly powerful man.
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He wasn't just
a rich Arab businessman.
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He was one of the most powerful men
in Yemen and in the Middle East.
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You know, the Abdulhaks
are like the Trumps of Yemen.
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What I really want to understand
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is if his father played a role
in helping Farouk evade justice.
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00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,080
Everyone I've spoken to
keeps telling me that
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there's only one guy that was
truly close to Shaher Abdulhak,
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and that's Mustafa Noman.
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There was a risk that,
after I told Farouk who I am,
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that he'd shut down
and that we'd never speak again.
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00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800
But I had this gut feeling
that that wasn't going to happen.
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I could tell that he wanted
to keep talking.
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00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,880
So, we're just outside
the office of Abdulhay Al Mejali,
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who is this Jordanian businessman
and really senior politician.
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00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,040
And he's also one of Shaher's
really close friends,
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00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,280
he travelled a lot with him.
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00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,760
Police investigating the death
of a Norwegian student have asked
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the son of an Arab billionaire
to return to the UK
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for questioning. Britain has no
extradition treaty with Yemen,
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00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,720
meaning the investigation could now
stray
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00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,800
into delicate diplomatic waters.
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00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Miss Magnussen's friends hope
Britain may be able to secure
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a one-off agreement with Yemen
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to send Mr Abdulhak back to face
charges.
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00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,560
CHATTER, GIGGLING
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00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,920
# Happy birthday to you! #
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00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Listening on the news -
that was the first time
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I heard about the intention by the
family to offer me
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$50 million to put the case
behind me.
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00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,640
And I made it absolutely clear
that I'm not going to accept
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any sort of monetary compensation
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for the tragedy
that happened to Martine.
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00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,600
Give me five minutes
and I'll give you a call.
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00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,440
I just got home and I want to change
my clothes and stuff.
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RINGTONE
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00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,480
Hello. Hi.
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00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,800
I'm good. How are you?
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00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,040
Yeah.
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00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,320
So, tell me, do you worry
about your story,
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00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,200
like this story coming out in Yemen?
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00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,600
But what do you mean,
like false news?
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00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,160
Why...?
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00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,280
What...but what's the alternative,
Farouk? Come on.
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00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,880
Someone died, like,
what's the other narrative?
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00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,640
What do you mean, what's their
narrative?
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00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,000
What's the narrative that...?
What do you mean by that?
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00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,000
They're never going to let it go.
431
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,040
Well, it's going to get answers
for the family
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00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,880
and the family are going to keep
pushing this until they get answers.
433
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,000
Martine's family.
434
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,240
I know, but I guess
they want to hear what happened.
435
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,000
Yeah. But what about coming back?
436
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,400
Come on, Farouk, like...
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00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,720
So, when you say that you would do
anything to give her father peace,
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00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,000
like, what do you mean?
Like, would you talk to him?
439
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,800
Yeah.
440
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Yeah.
441
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,760
I'll speak to you later.
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00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,520
Take care.
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00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:40,280
It really came across
that the only person
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00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,400
he cares about is himself
and how this is going to affect him.
445
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,000
He did not care at all
about the fact that we're talking
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about a murder here.
447
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,240
And it really was killing me
that I couldn't say that to him,
448
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:53,800
you know, in this tone.
449
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,960
There's no there's no grey area.
She's dead.
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00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,720
Her family lost her,
and you ran away.
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00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,520
And they can't get answers
because YOU won't answer up to it.
452
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,600
And, like,
he just doesn't see any of that.
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00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,600
So this whole time, you know,
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our main goal has been to try to
get Farouk to answer our questions
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00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,320
on camera, right? That was the whole
point of reaching out to him.
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00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:46,400
I want to give him an opportunity to
answer my questions on the record,
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00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,760
knowing that he's on camera,
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so that, not only can I see
how he reacts to them face-to-face
459
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,320
but also I'll really be able
to push him when he answers.
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00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,120
I used to drive down this road
every single day to go to school
461
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,360
when I was younger,
and now it's completely destroyed
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00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,720
because of the air-strikes
that have fallen.
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00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,280
Um, it's just so sad to see it
this way.
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00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,440
Look, this is one of the air-strikes
that fell
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during the beginning of the war.
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Right in the middle of this bridge.
467
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,440
As soon as I went through
passport control,
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00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,720
I was stopped by the Houthis,
I was interrogated
469
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:37,040
and they made it very clear that I
can't do any filming while I'm here.
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00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:41,560
That means anything I do
in the country right now has to be
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undercover and it just adds
this layer of complexity
472
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200
to what we're trying to do.
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00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,680
RINGTONE
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00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,480
So, what are we going to do,
are you still up for meeting or not?
475
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Tell me what it is
that makes you nervous.
476
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,240
How come?
477
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,320
Like, just always, or because I'm
a journalist it makes you nervous?
478
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,000
Today has been
such a frustrating day.
479
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,960
I've been texting Farouk
about meeting him
480
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,760
and what I want to ask him is
481
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,280
whether he'll do a sit-down
interview or not.
482
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,520
He then said that he would
much rather meet me in his home
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00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,280
than in a public place,
484
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,880
and that if I wanted to come to
his house, I could come right away,
485
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,600
but I just can't do that.
486
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,360
I can't go to his home.
487
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,880
I can't be in his house alone
with him,
488
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,360
um, and I don't know
if I'm going to be able
489
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,080
to convince him to meet me
in a public place.
490
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,680
I just hope that coming here
hasn't been for nothing.
491
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,160
Yemen, under the Houthis, has become
incredibly difficult for him.
492
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:42,000
So many of the layers of protection
that Farouk had are now gone.
493
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,200
Everyone around him fled
and his father died too.
494
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,600
It means at any moment he can be
taken out of his home
495
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,840
and handed over.
496
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200
RINGTONE
497
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,480
Hello.
498
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,560
So, I've just been thinking,
499
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,160
like, you know
I know the family...
500
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,000
..of Martine. So...
501
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,640
Like, I met the father.
And then he stayed in touch with me
502
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,880
because I'm like one of the only
Yemenis he knew
503
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,480
and so whenever he was doing stuff
in Yemen
504
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,600
he'd call me and tell me about it.
505
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,760
You know
what he's been trying to do. Mm-hm.
506
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,960
I know that, more than anything,
he wants closure because he wants
507
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,680
to know what happened that night
to his daughter
508
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,280
cos he just has no idea.
509
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,080
Then why don't you do that?
510
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Then why don't you do that?
511
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,720
I mean, there must be some point
where you start remembering.
512
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:33,040
I don't believe that
you don't remember anything.
513
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,240
I feel like
that's such an easy way out.
514
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,360
Come on,
you must remember something.
515
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,520
You told me yourself
you get flashbacks.
516
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,720
I was going to speak to you
517
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,960
about whether you want to do
something, you know,
518
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,320
get your side of the story out.
519
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:47,560
So I just got a message from Farouk
and he said he's not ready to meet.
520
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,360
He said that he's too shy
and he's too nervous
521
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,640
and that he doesn't
mind waiting a few more months
522
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,240
for us to get to know each other
even more before he'll meet me,
523
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,440
and there wasn't much I could say.
524
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,680
I mean, it's so...frustrating
525
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,120
because I just feel like I don't
have it in me
526
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,240
to speak to him for much longer
any more, to be honest,
527
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:20,480
and this is just,
it's been really difficult and...
528
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,320
..I feel like I've failed.
529
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,080
It's been a very interesting
few days.
530
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,840
He's finally opened up
about the case.
531
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:22,160
But ultimately,
I want to see him on camera.
532
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,280
I want to ask him
these questions to his face
533
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,080
and not to talk to him casually.
534
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,520
I want to be able to push
back on the answers he gives,
535
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,280
because it's in the public interest
for people to know what happened.
536
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,440
I just feel like everything
we have been working on
537
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,720
has been leading up to this.
538
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:34,880
Obviously throughout, I wanted
to get answers for Odd Petter,
539
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,960
but I didn't know
what those answers were going to be.
540
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,760
We were working on getting
him some sort of closure,
541
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,560
but will he ever really get closure?
We're not giving him that.
542
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Because Farouk's still in Yemen
and...
543
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:55,960
Yeah.
544
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:17,760
Hi.
545
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Hi, Nawal, come in.
546
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Good to see you.
Good to see you too.
547
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,040
How are you doing? Long time.
548
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Yes, it's been a while, hasn't it?
549
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,320
So, as you know,
for a really long time,
550
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:36,280
I've been working on trying
to get an interview with Farouk
551
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,280
and I haven't been successful.
552
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,400
But what I have been able to do
553
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,200
is to find him on social media
554
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,160
and to talk to him over some time
555
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:50,520
and try and get you
as many answers as possible.
556
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,800
And I guess one thing
I want to explain
557
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,200
before you hear any of this
558
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,520
is that there were moments where
I really wanted to get angry
559
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,560
about some of the things he says,
but I couldn't
560
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,400
because I really had so much more
I wanted to find out from him.
561
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,600
I perfectly understand
the sort of narrow path
562
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,080
in which you have to manoeuvre here.
I do understand.
563
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:17,920
OK, so I'm just going to play you
one of our initial conversations.
564
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,040
NAWAL ON RECORDING: The family
are going to keep pushing this
565
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,600
until they get answers,
Martine's family.
566
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,680
I don't know what answers
they want to hear.
567
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,920
Nothing's going to
bring their daughter back.
568
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,800
I know, but I guess they want
to hear what happened. Yeah.
569
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,760
I don't know.
570
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,480
There's nothing that's going to
be able to change what happened.
571
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,640
Yeah, but what about coming back?
572
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,640
I don't know, it's too cold there.
I don't like the weather.
573
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,720
I'm mad. I'm angry.
574
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,600
I mean, I was furious,
so I can only imagine how you feel.
575
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,440
I'm furious, that's the word, yeah.
Oh!
576
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,480
I'm going to get him,
one way or the other.
577
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,640
SHE SIGHS
578
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,640
OK.
579
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,360
FAROUK ON RECORDING:
The real fact is,
580
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,600
if I don't remember what happened,
there's nothing really to say.
581
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,560
NAWAL ON RECORDING: I feel like
that's such an easy way out. Come
on, you must remember something.
582
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,640
You told me yourself
you get flashbacks.
583
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,320
Yeah, but they're flashbacks of
scenes.
584
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,880
A picture does not tell you a story.
585
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,440
For a very long time,
he went down the line
586
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,600
of just continuously saying
that he can't remember.
587
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:42,720
Here was an admittance. Here, he
admitted that he had flashbacks.
588
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,440
So I told him that basically,
589
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,760
at this point, we reached a point
where I was pressuring him
590
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,360
and saying it's really hard for me
to continue talking to him
591
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,800
if we don't talk about what happened
that night.
592
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,880
So he said, "Like I told you,
593
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,120
"it was just a sex accident
that went wrong,"
594
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:04,080
and then I said, "Come on, Farouk,
talk to me", and he said, "Cocaine".
595
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,040
And then...
596
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,160
I know exactly how much they took
597
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,880
or what was found in Martine's body.
598
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,360
It was minor, in Martine's body.
599
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,840
Yeah, but I think what he's
alluding to
600
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,440
is that he had taken
a lot of cocaine that night.
601
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,760
He never denies his involvement.
602
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,760
No, not involvement, but he tries
to portray it
603
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:29,640
as a mutual sort of
accidental outcome of a sex act.
604
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:36,120
It's definitely been a sex act,
but it has been forced upon Martine
605
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,320
as far as I can understand
606
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,360
from all the information I've
gathered all through the years.
607
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,880
And that's why he's going
back to the UK
608
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,360
to explain to the police
what happened to Martine,
609
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,640
so that my family and myself
can get some peace of mind.
610
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,040
RECORDING: For the last 14 years,
611
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,280
this has taken over
her father's life completely.
612
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,520
He's given up everything.
613
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,480
He allowed it, yeah,
that's his choice.
614
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,840
That's not fair, Farouk.
What if it was your daughter?
615
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,920
You'd have done exactly the same.
No?
616
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,720
I would have done something
different. What would you have done?
617
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,720
I don't know.
618
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,080
I don't want to even think about it.
619
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:21,600
No, think about it.
620
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,800
What would you have done
if it were you?
621
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,400
Probably something similar.
Exactly.
622
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,320
My point is...
623
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,160
I'm thinking as a father,
I only have one kid.
624
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,880
But he has other kids.
625
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,880
Shouldn't he be taking care of...
626
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,760
I don't want to talk about this.
627
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,920
Move on, please. OK.
It's making me feel uncomfortable.
628
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,360
He has no empathy,
obviously, with our family,
629
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:00,920
and he doesn't show any sort
of remorse or anything.
630
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,760
Does anything
we've spoken about today
631
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:16,880
make you more optimistic
or hopeful about the case?
632
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,480
I'm optimistic
633
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:24,480
that we actually might have
a solution in the longer term,
634
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,240
more so than before,
635
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:30,800
because we can talk to him.
636
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,880
I'm more than ever convinced
637
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,520
that there will be a solution
to this case.
638
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,560
I just hope it will be on my terms,
my ethical terms,
639
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,880
rather than anything else.
640
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,840
You know, if you don't stand
up for justice
641
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,160
in a case of this nature,
then what to stand up for?
642
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,640
It's true, yeah.
643
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,640
I can't imagine what it must be like
644
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,400
to lose your child
645
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:44,680
and to know that the only person
accused of her murder
646
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,840
is living free.
647
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,080
My mission is to get Farouk
648
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,400
to put his foot
back on British soil.
649
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,080
I will continue
for the rest of my life.
650
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,040
And I'm going to succeed.