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♪♪♪

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The winner of the Juno,
Blue Rodeo.

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Blue Rodeo.

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Blue Rodeo!

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♪ Never thought this
could happen ♪

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♪ But somehow... ♪

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<i> Blue Rodeo! Yeah!</i>

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<i>Ladies and gentlemen, please</i>
<i>welcome Blue Rodeo!</i>

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Here they are, Blue Rodeo,
live, right here.

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♪♪♪

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♪ You got sick of the pattern ♪

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♪ And I got lost in this song ♪

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Let's get 'er now!

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When I was in my 20s,

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I loathed them, and now
that I'm in my 40s,

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I don't know what I would
do without them.

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♪♪♪

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♪ Hey hey, I guess it hasn't
hit me yet ♪

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♪ Fell through this crack
and I kinda lost my head ♪

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♪ I stand transfixed before
this streetlight ♪

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♪ Watching the snowfall
on this cold ♪

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♪ December night ♪

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♪♪♪

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You've been beautiful,
thank you very much.

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Thank you all very much!

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You've been amazing, thank you.
Good night.

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<i> Two, three, four.</i>

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♪♪♪

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♪ Strange and beautiful
are the stars tonight ♪

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♪ That dance around your head ♪

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♪ In your eyes I see
that perfect world ♪

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♪ Hope that doesn't sound
too weird ♪

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♪♪♪

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♪ I want all the world to know ♪

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♪ That your love's all I need ♪

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♪ All that I need ♪

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♪ And if we're lost ♪

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♪ Then we are lost together ♪

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♪ Yeah, and if we're lost ♪

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♪ Then we are lost together ♪

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Okay, ready to go?

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<i> Yeah.</i>

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Greg Keelor tribute video,
take one.

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Well, our first actual meeting
was a bit of a confrontation.

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We were both jocks, and we
met on a football field

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where I was a defensive end
and he was a quarterback.

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He was throwing the ball
and I was on his blindside,

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and just as he was about
to let go, I creamed him.

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Everybody liked to see
the quarterback get it.

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Yeah.

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A friend of ours died in a car
accident, David Soper.

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At that age, 16, 17,

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you had a total loss
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and how to be with each other.

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And we were sitting in Jim's
mother's house,

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and there was a beautiful
parlour piano in there,

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and Jim sat down at the piano
and he wrote a song

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for David Soper.

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And we're all just, like,
dumbfounded.

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And I had never heard
Jim sing before.

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I didn't know that he
was musical at all.

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It was just like such a shock.

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And the same voice that
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is the same voice he
sings every day with.

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He had that voice from the
moment he started singing.

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It's just an incredible
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that he was born with.

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I kept all my musical
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Because it was very
embarrassing at that age.

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I can tell you that, you know,

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we kind of dabbled in
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because we were around
music all the time.

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But when I finished university
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you very kindly came
to pick me up,

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put all this stuff in, and
we're driving back.

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And I was saying to you
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to devote a year to music.

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And you said, "Why don't
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And I said yes.

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And we've honestly had
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ever since that moment.

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♪ You never please me,
you try to tease me ♪

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♪ I know you're always there ♪

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♪ I do ♪

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♪ Love you ♪

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♪ I do ♪

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Forty years, you know what
I mean, in a nutshell.

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Well, that's sort of impossible.

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That's why we're making
a documentary.

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But a nutshell, two guys
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they discover a shared musical
intent and vibration

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and started writing songs
that took us traveling

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around North America.

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Greg and I are living
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and we would meet other
Torontonians in New York,

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and they'd come back, people
would come back and forth,

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talk about, "I met Jim and Greg
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They got a band, they're
playing CBGB's."

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<i> "CBGB's. Oh my God."</i>

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The Demics had that song,
"I Want to go to New York City,

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they tell me it's
the place to be."

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♪ I wanna go to New York City ♪

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♪ 'Cause they tell me
it's the place to be ♪

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♪ Ah, I wanna go to
New York City ♪

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♪ I just know that it's the
place for me, yeah ♪

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It's a time in music
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did a lot of different genres.

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So we would play ska,
we played a little reggae,

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we played pop, and we've
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Fly to France.

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♪ She sees the world through
rose-coloured glasses ♪

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And we were tired
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It didn't, wasn't that
natural for us.

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We were seeing in New York

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a kind of a neo-country
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where a lot of rock musicians
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but very differently.

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We finally came
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and started Blue Rodeo.

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We were shocked at what was
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and it was all because
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When Handsome Ned
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he brought that kind of revved
up country music.

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♪ And tongue tied Jill ♪

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♪ Move over, Miss Ellen,
Run-around Sue ♪

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He had reinvented
himself as a cowboy,

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and he was doing this high,
lonesome music,

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and he's created a neo-country
roots scene,

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and everybody starts coming out

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and forming bands that,
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either rockabilly bands
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'Cause when we had left in '81,

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it was dead.

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And we come back
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that's already happening,
the Horseshoe,

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the Rivoli, the Cameron.

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So it was not the
old country crowd.

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This was a much younger,
hipper crowd.

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It was a time when college
students were experiencing

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for the first time Canadian
bands that they liked

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and that were a reflection
of their own lives.

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When we came back
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we knew what kind of band
we wanted to be.

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They said they had a name,
Blue Rodeo,

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and they'd been playing
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and that they thought
I might work.

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And I said, you know, "You guys
seem kind of serious."

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And I said, "I got a kid now,"

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and I was, already had like 10
or 12 years as a postman.

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I said, "I don't really think
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what you guys need because
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to go on the road
and all that sort of stuff."

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So they said, "Oh Cleave, just
do it as long as you want.

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You know, you're not the only
drummer in the world.

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You know, we'll find somebody
when you can't do it anymore."

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I said, "Great. That sounds
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We put an ad in Now Magazine.

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"If you dropped acid
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you lost two or three years to
booze and looking good,

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and you can still keep time,
call Jim or Greg."

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And then Bazil answers that ad,

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calls my house, gets my wife,

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who doesn't want to take,
even take a message.

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"So just call back, he'll come
back another time,"

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just, and Bazil says, "Please,
just take my number."

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And they phoned me, said, "Are
you Bazil from the Sharks?"

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I said, "Yeah."

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Says, "Hey, Cleave's
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we're the guys from the Hi-Fi's.

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Can you rehearse tomorrow?"

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And as soon as we got
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we knew we were good.

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I think we'd only rehearsed
twice, but we were a band.

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It's not country, it's not this,
it's not that.

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It's just a collection of the
individuals in the band.

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You know, and what we've
listened to over the years,

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and that sort of thing.

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Do you think a lot of people are
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because of fashion?

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I'll answer that one!

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Okay.

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I think it's very honest music,

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and it's very rock and roll.

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And I think that people
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in rock and roll again.

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And it's a very good way
for original bands

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to get their thing across.

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They can talk about
whatever they want,

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whatever issues they
want to talk about,

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and it's packaged in a very
easy to digest form,

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which is kind of
country rock-ish.

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People are digging that again.

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I just thought they'd be good
guys to work with,

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that they were funny
and interesting,

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and kind of different
than most people.

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They had a quality that
was captivating.

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Then one day,
we were leaving rehearsal

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and Greg said, "Do you guys
like keyboards?"

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I think I was like, "Well,
what do we want

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a keyboard player for?"

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<i> And the next day,</i>
<i>we showed up,</i>

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<i>and Bobby was all set up.</i>

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I'm on my way
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I remember thinking, I'm
assuming I can do this

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and it'll work, but they also
might find me way too weird,

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like the way, the stuff
that I do, pianistically,

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and that I've been doing
at music school.

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Like, it's just dawned
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oh, this actually might
be a train wreck.

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But from as soon as we started
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it was, it was awesome.

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And Bobby had the most
beat up old Ace Tone organ

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from the '60s.

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It was that real cheap
organ sound.

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And immediately it felt good.

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♪♪♪

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And it was just like, oh my God,
like Bobby is a virtuoso.

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I told Jim, I said, this guy
is fantastic.

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He was kind of
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on keyboards.

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He'd hang from the pipes
of the Horseshoe

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by his hands, and play
with his feet,

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and he used to hit
that with drumsticks

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and roll an orange up and down
it to go, brrrr, you know?

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Like all sorts of crazy stuff

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that would get people's
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You know, a lot of reviews
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the crazy guy on keyboards.

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And Bobby projected
the crazy genius vibe.

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Like, he definitely, there was
something going on there

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that wasn't, he was getting
different frequencies

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than the rest of us, and that
was kind of exciting for people.

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But I came from
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of experimentation.
What was really unique

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was that I'm a guy playing
that kind of music

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that would, like, really kind of
happen more in art galleries.

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It was really quite a lot of fun
to try and straddle

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that space between melodicism
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in the context of being
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When Bobby joined
and added keyboards,

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that expanded to the sound that
we had wanted to have.

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And we had a couple
more rehearsals,

250
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and then we said, "Okay,
we're ready to play."

251
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And we did our first gig at the
Rivoli on February 8th of '85.

252
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Our first gig at the Rivoli
was sold out,

253
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and we were shocked because that
had not happened to us before.

254
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♪ You were never
the same way twice ♪

255
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♪ I'm falling in love ♪

256
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So we're playing
the Rivoli,

257
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to a full house,
and we played "Try."

258
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No one had heard the song,
I think, before.

259
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They started applauding.

260
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And I remember,
the first time Jim hits

261
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the falsetto part in "Try,"
the whole room levitated.

262
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And I've actually never
experienced that before.

263
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The whole crowd just
went, whoo!

264
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There was an audible gasp
in the audience.

265
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♪♪♪

266
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♪ Try ♪

267
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♪ Oh baby, try ♪

268
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♪ Oh, try ♪

269
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We're very satisfied
starting to build an audience

270
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and not having anything to do
with getting a record contract.

271
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Nobody in those days thought we
were ever going to get signed.

272
00:13:23,936 --> 00:13:26,337
You know, you know, these people
aren't interested in us,

273
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they're interested in
hard rock bands.

274
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That was the Van Halen days,
hard rock with hair bands,

275
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that's what got signed.

276
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We were really enjoying
playing to full houses.

277
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And the audiences kept,
just kept getting bigger.

278
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So we were filling in
every club we played.

279
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♪♪♪

280
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We were now
playing in bars

281
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that were super jam packed.

282
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Being a successful bar band
felt pretty good.

283
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And all of a sudden,
we're making a living

284
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from traveling around southern
Ontario playing bars.

285
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We all had other jobs, you know.

286
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I had another job, and it was
a really good balance.

287
00:14:02,909 --> 00:14:05,109
The publicist up at
Warner Brothers,

288
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Joanne Keating, she was
a huge fan of the band.

289
00:14:09,048 --> 00:14:11,015
Bob Roper, we had already
sent him a tape,

290
00:14:11,117 --> 00:14:13,651
the A&R guy, and he had
rejected the band,

291
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saying that they were
hiring different,

292
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heavier types of music.

293
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So we thought, okay,
we don't have a chance.

294
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But Joanne Keating,
she kept on pressing,

295
00:14:22,295 --> 00:14:23,394
and pressing and pressing.

296
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Blue Rodeo got on my
radar because it was placed

297
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on my radar by Joanne Keating,
my assistant at the time,

298
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and she was active on
the Queen Street scene.

299
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And she came and told us
about this amazing band,

300
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Blue Rodeo, and that we
had to go and see them.

301
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And she'd say, "I'm going
to The Horseshoe

302
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to see Blue Rodeo.

303
00:14:43,516 --> 00:14:45,416
They're the coolest thing
on Queen Street."

304
00:14:45,518 --> 00:14:48,119
So with Blue Rodeo, it was,
they're amazing,

305
00:14:48,220 --> 00:14:51,189
but, I don't know if this
will get on the radio.

306
00:14:51,290 --> 00:14:54,792
She kept badgering Bob
all through that summer,

307
00:14:54,894 --> 00:14:58,630
and I think he finally
acquiesced with, "Well, okay."

308
00:14:59,933 --> 00:15:01,566
Well, finally, by the
time he got around to seeing us,

309
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we were so popular,
the place was packed

310
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and he couldn't get in.

311
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So he came to see us,
and we had to sneak him

312
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in the back door.

313
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And miraculously, we got a deal.

314
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And little did I know that I'd
be playing with those guys

315
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for the rest of my life.

316
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♪ Night after night, yeah ♪

317
00:15:21,921 --> 00:15:24,822
♪ I know I should leave
but there's something ♪

318
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♪ Yeah, yeah, day after day ♪

319
00:15:28,894 --> 00:15:32,463
♪ After day, after day ♪

320
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♪ And I don't know why ♪

321
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<i> Okay, we can go.</i>

322
00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:59,057
Go ahead, Bazil.

323
00:16:08,234 --> 00:16:10,134
Such a maze

324
00:16:15,241 --> 00:16:17,175
But we got the tempo for that.

325
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Okay.

326
00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:23,081
There we go.

327
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One, two,

328
00:16:25,751 --> 00:16:29,187
one, two, three, four.

329
00:16:29,288 --> 00:16:32,523
♪ Don't tell me I'm wrong ♪

330
00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,829
♪ Because I've been watching
every move that you make ♪

331
00:16:39,265 --> 00:16:44,736
♪ Hearts you steal, in your
makeup and heels ♪

332
00:16:44,837 --> 00:16:48,740
♪ Trouble for the men
that you take ♪

333
00:16:49,609 --> 00:16:54,178
♪ Every time you walk
in the room ♪

334
00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,716
♪ I couldn't ever be
sure of a smile ♪

335
00:16:59,619 --> 00:17:02,720
♪ You were never
the same way twice ♪

336
00:17:02,822 --> 00:17:09,527
♪ Falling in love,
night after night ♪

337
00:17:09,628 --> 00:17:15,233
♪ It's crazy, ooh ♪

338
00:17:15,334 --> 00:17:17,668
Two things that I've always
wanted to do in my life --

339
00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:21,139
they happened both on
January 8th, 1987.

340
00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,474
Devon was born, and that
was the first day

341
00:17:23,576 --> 00:17:25,143
we were recording "Outskirts."

342
00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:28,780
Going into RCA Studios
on Merton with Terry Brown,

343
00:17:28,881 --> 00:17:30,381
it was a little mind blowing,
you know,

344
00:17:30,483 --> 00:17:33,317
because it was
a big time studio.

345
00:17:33,419 --> 00:17:34,819
We were very ambitious,

346
00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,622
and we wanted to make
a big time record.

347
00:17:38,758 --> 00:17:41,492
His credentials would not have
been the kind of music

348
00:17:41,594 --> 00:17:43,828
that we were trying to play.

349
00:17:43,929 --> 00:17:45,863
But he was very enthusiastic,

350
00:17:45,965 --> 00:17:47,632
and he knew what he
wanted to do.

351
00:17:47,733 --> 00:17:51,669
We wanted to make something
that was us,

352
00:17:51,770 --> 00:17:56,441
and different from what
a lot of the music was.

353
00:17:56,542 --> 00:17:57,642
Especially in those days,

354
00:17:57,743 --> 00:18:01,979
it really was a hair metal
landscape in the music scene.

355
00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:03,915
There was nothing like us.

356
00:18:04,951 --> 00:18:06,384
I was thrilled to be
in a major studio,

357
00:18:06,485 --> 00:18:07,652
recording a record.

358
00:18:07,753 --> 00:18:09,287
To me, my dream had come true.

359
00:18:10,290 --> 00:18:13,958
Terry did an amazing job
of sculpting our sound,

360
00:18:14,059 --> 00:18:19,097
to rein it in a bit, and make
it more accessible

361
00:18:19,198 --> 00:18:20,731
to a larger audience.

362
00:18:20,833 --> 00:18:22,033
If we would have been
on our own,

363
00:18:22,134 --> 00:18:24,335
it would have been
a little looser

364
00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:25,937
and rambunctious, maybe.

365
00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:29,841
The first time I saw them, I
think, was at The Horseshoe.

366
00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:32,543
The musicianship I thought
was great.

367
00:18:32,645 --> 00:18:37,348
Greg's earthiness
and Jim's sweetness

368
00:18:37,449 --> 00:18:39,016
worked so well together.

369
00:18:39,118 --> 00:18:43,387
I thought they were very
exciting and visceral.

370
00:18:43,489 --> 00:18:47,191
But obviously that changes when
you go into the studio.

371
00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:50,394
So it was, it was a little more
difficult than I imagined.

372
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,064
We were guided through
the record by Terry.

373
00:18:53,165 --> 00:18:56,968
Terry was very kindly
authoritarian.

374
00:18:57,069 --> 00:19:00,505
We did what he said, and
that's the way we thought

375
00:19:00,606 --> 00:19:01,506
records were made.

376
00:19:01,607 --> 00:19:02,773
He got his way.

377
00:19:02,875 --> 00:19:06,611
That is his record, and
there's no arguing

378
00:19:06,712 --> 00:19:08,212
with how successful it was.

379
00:19:09,449 --> 00:19:11,649
Terry didn't really get the
whole retro thing at the time.

380
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:15,553
Him and Greg, they didn't
see eye to eye.

381
00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:18,589
Greg had, like, rockabilly
sensibilities.

382
00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:20,291
He really loved the
Dwight Yoakam record,

383
00:19:20,392 --> 00:19:24,395
so he wanted things to go a
little more country and twangy.

384
00:19:24,496 --> 00:19:27,431
But, you know, those are amazing
sounding records to me.

385
00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:29,734
And I love '60s from England,

386
00:19:29,835 --> 00:19:31,869
and '70s from California.

387
00:19:31,971 --> 00:19:33,437
I like that sound.

388
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,273
And he kept saying
that, you know,

389
00:19:35,374 --> 00:19:37,241
"We're making a record in
the '80s, right, Greg?"

390
00:19:37,343 --> 00:19:39,277
Greg would say, "Yeah,
but I want it to sound

391
00:19:39,378 --> 00:19:41,145
like it's 1969."

392
00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:52,990
Bobby had a style that
was going to be difficult

393
00:19:53,092 --> 00:19:54,926
to contain on record.

394
00:19:55,027 --> 00:19:56,761
He was a consummate
musician,

395
00:19:56,862 --> 00:19:59,096
and into the avant garde,

396
00:19:59,198 --> 00:20:01,199
but he knew how to have fun.

397
00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:05,169
You know, he was a huge addition
to the sound of the band.

398
00:20:10,342 --> 00:20:12,276
We were cutting
"Piranha Pool."

399
00:20:12,378 --> 00:20:15,079
There was a little bit of an
edge there between us.

400
00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:16,681
Oh yeah, they locked horns.

401
00:20:16,782 --> 00:20:18,516
Bobby just wanted to do
his own thing.

402
00:20:19,485 --> 00:20:21,752
At some point, he took
a pair of drumsticks

403
00:20:21,854 --> 00:20:25,089
and started crashing on this
beautiful Steinway

404
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:29,560
at the studio, and I kind
of lost my cool,

405
00:20:29,662 --> 00:20:30,761
and let him have it.

406
00:20:30,863 --> 00:20:34,899
I was shocked, I've never seen
a piano treated that way.

407
00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:39,270
Well, I, you know, people like
me did things like that.

408
00:20:39,371 --> 00:20:41,806
That insinuates taking drum
sticks to a grand piano

409
00:20:41,907 --> 00:20:43,241
like it's not really my style.

410
00:20:43,342 --> 00:20:45,409
That could like, that could
destroy things.

411
00:20:46,246 --> 00:20:48,045
It might have seemed
like an attack

412
00:20:48,147 --> 00:20:50,114
to an English gentleman,

413
00:20:50,215 --> 00:20:53,217
but yeah, Bobby would have just
been improvising something.

414
00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:58,823
When we were putting
the record out to radio,

415
00:20:58,924 --> 00:21:01,692
we put "Outskirts" out first.

416
00:21:01,794 --> 00:21:07,598
♪♪♪

417
00:21:07,700 --> 00:21:09,400
Warner put that
record out,

418
00:21:09,501 --> 00:21:11,669
but they didn't have
a lot of hope for it.

419
00:21:11,770 --> 00:21:15,606
I think in everybody's
mind, "Try" was a slam dunk.

420
00:21:15,708 --> 00:21:19,010
Where we didn't have confidence
was the first single,

421
00:21:19,111 --> 00:21:22,013
which was the title track
from "Outskirts."

422
00:21:23,382 --> 00:21:26,884
♪ Here on the outskirts
of life ♪

423
00:21:26,985 --> 00:21:30,021
♪♪♪

424
00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,356
The "Outskirts," the single,
was not picked up

425
00:21:32,458 --> 00:21:35,259
by a single radio station
in Canada.

426
00:21:35,361 --> 00:21:39,363
So we were taken
out for lunch --

427
00:21:39,465 --> 00:21:41,632
no, it might even have
been snacks --

428
00:21:41,734 --> 00:21:45,336
by somebody who was actually
part of the jazz department.

429
00:21:46,439 --> 00:21:49,307
And told us that our record
wasn't doing very well,

430
00:21:49,408 --> 00:21:51,309
and we probably wouldn't be
making another one.

431
00:21:52,111 --> 00:21:53,911
And he basically
told us, you know,

432
00:21:54,012 --> 00:21:55,279
"You've sold 5,000 records,"

433
00:21:55,381 --> 00:21:58,182
which we thought, whoa,
that's fantastic.

434
00:21:58,283 --> 00:22:00,217
He said, "If it doesn't pick up,
we're going to drop you."

435
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,053
Whoa, okay. I mean,
you know,

436
00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:03,988
we didn't have any skin
in the game, really.

437
00:22:04,089 --> 00:22:10,895
♪ Of your life ♪

438
00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:14,298
♪♪♪

439
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,135
So "Outskirts" was a dud.

440
00:22:18,237 --> 00:22:20,404
You know, radio wouldn't
touch it.

441
00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:25,476
But the weird thing in all
this was so was "Try."

442
00:22:25,577 --> 00:22:27,244
"Try" was a dud.

443
00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:30,047
And we couldn't believe it.

444
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:32,550
You know, I know around
the building,

445
00:22:32,651 --> 00:22:36,454
people were thinking if we can't
get "Try" on the radio,

446
00:22:36,555 --> 00:22:39,290
what can we get on the radio
out of this band?

447
00:22:39,391 --> 00:22:42,026
I mean, the record company
by this point had no,

448
00:22:42,127 --> 00:22:43,427
they thought this is over.

449
00:22:44,297 --> 00:22:45,496
So we were having
a lot of trouble.

450
00:22:45,597 --> 00:22:48,599
It was sort of going down
the tubes.

451
00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:49,767
♪♪♪

452
00:22:49,868 --> 00:22:51,068
So in the mid '80s,

453
00:22:51,170 --> 00:22:53,504
MuchMusic was really
finding its groove.

454
00:22:53,605 --> 00:22:57,408
Like, it was a huge time for
popular music, you know,

455
00:22:57,509 --> 00:22:59,710
it was, it was Madonna,
"Like a Virgin,"

456
00:22:59,812 --> 00:23:00,711
it was Wham!

457
00:23:00,813 --> 00:23:02,780
It was, you know, David Bowie
and Mick Jagger,

458
00:23:02,881 --> 00:23:03,881
"Dancing in the Streets."

459
00:23:03,982 --> 00:23:07,718
Like big, huge productions,
big hair, big budgets.

460
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:09,387
It was full on.

461
00:23:10,523 --> 00:23:11,322
And like MuchMusic was
remarkable at the beginning,

462
00:23:11,423 --> 00:23:13,290
and I think it's under
celebrated.

463
00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,692
You know, you could actually
go to MuchMusic

464
00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:16,527
and hand them a cassette,
and if they liked it,

465
00:23:16,628 --> 00:23:17,695
it would end up on air.

466
00:23:17,796 --> 00:23:20,064
The magic sauce in "Try"
was a fellow

467
00:23:20,165 --> 00:23:24,435
by the name of John Martin, who
ran MuchMusic at the time.

468
00:23:24,536 --> 00:23:27,004
Blue Rodeo did
a video for "Try,"

469
00:23:27,105 --> 00:23:29,440
and it wasn't added
yet at MuchMusic.

470
00:23:29,541 --> 00:23:33,477
But Dave Tollington took
John Martin out for a beer.

471
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:36,113
John came back, looked
at the video again,

472
00:23:36,215 --> 00:23:40,418
and put it smack into heavy
rotation on MuchMusic.

473
00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:43,888
Now, this was unheard of
at the time

474
00:23:43,989 --> 00:23:45,189
because we had a music committee

475
00:23:45,290 --> 00:23:47,391
who was going through
hundreds of videos,

476
00:23:47,493 --> 00:23:52,263
and suddenly "Try" is out there
being played alongside,

477
00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:54,532
you know, those huge
acts like Phil Collins,

478
00:23:54,633 --> 00:23:57,168
and Michael Jackson,
and Whitney Houston.

479
00:23:57,703 --> 00:24:01,405
♪ Oh, it's crazy ♪

480
00:24:01,507 --> 00:24:04,208
John hated the video,
but he loved the song.

481
00:24:04,309 --> 00:24:06,544
It was his favourite song
that summer.

482
00:24:06,645 --> 00:24:09,079
And he knew that radio
wasn't touching it,

483
00:24:09,181 --> 00:24:12,249
that he was the lone guy
in the entire country

484
00:24:12,351 --> 00:24:15,252
hammering this thing, and he
wanted to prove a point

485
00:24:15,354 --> 00:24:18,155
that MuchMusic could sell
records on their own.

486
00:24:18,257 --> 00:24:21,091
It hit a critical mass, and
we never looked back,

487
00:24:21,193 --> 00:24:21,959
and neither did the band.

488
00:24:22,060 --> 00:24:24,562
I mean, it just took off
like a rocket.

489
00:24:25,297 --> 00:24:29,834
♪ Oh, you got to try ♪

490
00:24:29,935 --> 00:24:32,203
♪ Try ♪

491
00:24:32,872 --> 00:24:35,439
♪ Try ♪

492
00:24:35,541 --> 00:24:41,745
In many ways, MuchMusic really
had a very fundamental role

493
00:24:41,847 --> 00:24:43,581
in Blue Rodeo's success.

494
00:24:44,517 --> 00:24:47,451
I don't think that we
really understood

495
00:24:47,553 --> 00:24:50,788
how our lives were changing
because of the success

496
00:24:50,889 --> 00:24:51,856
of that single.

497
00:24:51,957 --> 00:24:53,190
Because the song was so great,

498
00:24:53,292 --> 00:24:54,225
didn't hurt that they heard
that they had

499
00:24:54,326 --> 00:24:56,327
a handsome lead singer.

500
00:24:56,428 --> 00:24:58,996
And you know, Jim can still
hit that note today.

501
00:24:59,097 --> 00:25:00,998
"Try"

502
00:25:01,099 --> 00:25:05,402
♪ Oh, baby, you try ♪

503
00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:10,808
♪ Oh, try ♪

504
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:20,518
♪ Ooh ♪

505
00:25:20,619 --> 00:25:28,592
♪♪♪

506
00:25:32,999 --> 00:25:35,232
The many looks
of Greg and Jim.

507
00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:37,034
Oh, oh dear.

508
00:25:37,135 --> 00:25:38,235
Oh boy.

509
00:25:38,337 --> 00:25:39,136
Yeah.

510
00:25:39,237 --> 00:25:40,471
I'm sure glad you're
all here for this.

511
00:25:40,572 --> 00:25:42,206
Yeah.

512
00:25:42,307 --> 00:25:44,041
Couple of desperate dudes.

513
00:25:45,677 --> 00:25:48,245
Jim Cuddy, this is your life.

514
00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:52,116
What makes Blue Rodeo
fascinating artistically

515
00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:55,686
are these two very
distinct voices.

516
00:25:55,787 --> 00:25:59,490
Different style songwriters,
different vocals,

517
00:25:59,591 --> 00:26:01,492
different performance,

518
00:26:01,593 --> 00:26:03,727
I mean, and yet really
complementary.

519
00:26:03,829 --> 00:26:08,299
And Jim and Greg have so much
respect for each other

520
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,302
that it's really foundational.

521
00:26:12,371 --> 00:26:15,739
They're very different, and yet
they make a whole.

522
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:18,609
You could see that there was
a real partnership there,

523
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:20,945
but they were a little sort of
oil and water.

524
00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:25,015
Maybe, you know, for Jim,
who was at private school

525
00:26:25,117 --> 00:26:30,087
and had a lot of sports friends,
to have this interesting,

526
00:26:30,188 --> 00:26:33,223
creative, alternative
thinking guy

527
00:26:33,325 --> 00:26:35,292
would have been interesting
for him.

528
00:26:36,295 --> 00:26:37,361
They're both practical
and together,

529
00:26:37,462 --> 00:26:38,596
they're really good.

530
00:26:38,697 --> 00:26:40,397
And I think that's just
really compelling.

531
00:26:41,534 --> 00:26:44,234
I think Greg being out here,
pushing some boundaries,

532
00:26:44,336 --> 00:26:47,871
is exciting for Jim, and
maybe for Greg,

533
00:26:47,973 --> 00:26:52,576
having a little form that Jim
has balances him out.

534
00:26:53,512 --> 00:26:54,178
Because they talk
to each other,

535
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,347
and really listen to each other,

536
00:26:56,448 --> 00:26:58,882
and create something
that is stronger

537
00:26:58,984 --> 00:27:00,351
than the individual idea.

538
00:27:01,587 --> 00:27:02,586
Their voices together
create something beautiful.

539
00:27:02,688 --> 00:27:04,388
Their harmonies are gorgeous,

540
00:27:04,489 --> 00:27:06,624
like in a, in that special way,

541
00:27:06,725 --> 00:27:08,926
and I think that solves
a lot of arguments.

542
00:27:10,096 --> 00:27:12,863
I know it's cliche,
but they're like brothers.

543
00:27:12,964 --> 00:27:15,633
They are, they had each other's
back, that's for sure.

544
00:27:15,734 --> 00:27:18,068
Since high school, they've
been inseparable.

545
00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:19,670
There's Tom Brady
playing with us.

546
00:27:23,275 --> 00:27:29,346
♪ And our love shines ♪

547
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:32,750
♪ Like a diamond mine ♪

548
00:27:33,753 --> 00:27:37,154
For "Diamond Mine," we
wanted to do something

549
00:27:37,255 --> 00:27:38,022
completely different.

550
00:27:38,123 --> 00:27:40,124
We did the studio
with Terry Brown,

551
00:27:40,225 --> 00:27:41,792
and that was all fancy,

552
00:27:41,893 --> 00:27:46,764
but I think Jim and I have that
sort of contrarian gene in us.

553
00:27:46,865 --> 00:27:50,167
Even though we really
appreciated what he did,

554
00:27:50,268 --> 00:27:52,002
we just didn't want
to do that again.

555
00:27:52,104 --> 00:27:54,605
We didn't really like someone
telling us what to do.

556
00:27:54,706 --> 00:28:00,411
♪ You say the party's over ♪

557
00:28:01,647 --> 00:28:06,784
♪ But like a drunken fool, I
never know when to leave ♪

558
00:28:09,188 --> 00:28:10,054
♪ It's just that
in the eyes ♪

559
00:28:10,155 --> 00:28:12,556
The choices we made
for "Diamond Mine"

560
00:28:12,657 --> 00:28:14,992
were a reaction to having
made "Outskirts."

561
00:28:15,093 --> 00:28:16,627
After the making of "Outskirts,"

562
00:28:16,728 --> 00:28:19,329
we felt that wanted to show
a little bit more

563
00:28:19,431 --> 00:28:21,965
of our improvisational side,

564
00:28:22,067 --> 00:28:24,334
and we had a lot of songs,
and we wanted a bigger,

565
00:28:24,436 --> 00:28:27,371
messier live record.

566
00:28:28,407 --> 00:28:30,974
They found a, an
abandoned movie theater

567
00:28:31,076 --> 00:28:32,109
up on Donlands Avenue.

568
00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:35,412
It was a construction site,
and there was no heat.

569
00:28:35,514 --> 00:28:37,448
It was freezing.

570
00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:40,050
We parked the truck
out back for a month

571
00:28:40,152 --> 00:28:42,352
and cut the record up there.

572
00:28:42,454 --> 00:28:44,388
And we would mostly set
the band up on the floor,

573
00:28:44,489 --> 00:28:46,824
no headphones, playing
with monitors,

574
00:28:46,925 --> 00:28:48,726
just the way they would
at a rehearsal.

575
00:28:48,827 --> 00:28:51,562
And it puts the onus on the band
to play really well.

576
00:28:51,663 --> 00:28:55,032
And, you know, they were playing
100 nights a year at that point,

577
00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:56,300
they were a really tight band.

578
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,136
It was like the Beatles coming
back from Hamburg or something.

579
00:29:00,139 --> 00:29:02,072
It felt like a healthy
process for us.

580
00:29:02,174 --> 00:29:06,810
It felt very musical without
the structure around us.

581
00:29:06,912 --> 00:29:08,746
It felt liberating.

582
00:29:08,847 --> 00:29:10,414
A lot of what people
did like on "Diamond Mine"

583
00:29:10,515 --> 00:29:12,049
was it gave Bobby a chance
to spread his wings,

584
00:29:12,150 --> 00:29:15,586
and to show that jazzy, avant
garde side of the band.

585
00:29:15,687 --> 00:29:17,287
I mean, that's like they
really did feel

586
00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:20,924
like sort of that seal of like,
coolness.

587
00:29:22,161 --> 00:29:24,061
And it was sort of like another
improvisational game to me,

588
00:29:24,162 --> 00:29:27,297
to kind of explore what I could
do to surprise myself.

589
00:29:27,399 --> 00:29:30,768
It would be a point of a lot of
excitement for me to do that.

590
00:29:30,869 --> 00:29:34,738
I think that album
captured the essence of the band

591
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,673
better than some of
the studio work they did

592
00:29:36,775 --> 00:29:39,243
because they are such
a strong live act.

593
00:29:39,344 --> 00:29:44,515
♪ Let it shine ♪

594
00:29:45,351 --> 00:29:48,485
♪ Like a diamond mine ♪

595
00:29:49,255 --> 00:29:50,587
<i> I love that record.</i>

596
00:29:50,689 --> 00:29:52,389
<i>It was the only way we</i>
<i>could have done it.</i>

597
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:56,493
That wasn't my favorite
record to make.

598
00:29:56,595 --> 00:29:57,961
It was really cold in there,

599
00:29:58,063 --> 00:30:00,030
and for the life of me
at the time,

600
00:30:00,131 --> 00:30:03,167
I couldn't understand why we
were making a record

601
00:30:03,268 --> 00:30:05,169
in a place that was freezing.

602
00:30:06,538 --> 00:30:08,739
Like, couldn't we afford
the heat?

603
00:30:09,775 --> 00:30:12,409
But we did it long enough
until it got so cold

604
00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:14,444
that we decided okay,
well, why don't we go

605
00:30:14,546 --> 00:30:16,180
to New Orleans and finish this?

606
00:30:16,281 --> 00:30:17,247
It was very free form.

607
00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:19,550
I mean, I think every record
has been a reaction

608
00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:21,018
to something that
happened before it.

609
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:22,753
We went out one day into
the French Quarter.

610
00:30:22,854 --> 00:30:27,658
Cleave said, "My time is up
for my leave of absence.

611
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,928
I took the leave of absence from
the post office for a year."

612
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:32,863
Our manager was
down there, John Katon,

613
00:30:32,964 --> 00:30:34,798
and he drove me back
to the airport.

614
00:30:34,900 --> 00:30:39,970
He gave me the sudden ultimatum,
or he says, you know,

615
00:30:40,071 --> 00:30:41,338
"Cleave, we're going
to be on the road,

616
00:30:41,439 --> 00:30:44,241
we're getting, you know,
serious.

617
00:30:44,342 --> 00:30:48,011
And you know, you're going to
have to quit your postie job.

618
00:30:48,113 --> 00:30:50,747
This is the second album, we're
going to do lots of touring."

619
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:53,016
He said, "You don't have
to tell me now."

620
00:30:53,118 --> 00:30:55,018
He said, "I'll call you
in a couple days."

621
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,155
And I went home. I didn't really
have to think about it too much.

622
00:30:58,256 --> 00:31:00,958
I just didn't want to be
on the road all the time.

623
00:31:01,059 --> 00:31:03,026
He says, "I've got a
pension at the post office,

624
00:31:03,128 --> 00:31:05,762
and I've got two kids,
and I can't give up

625
00:31:05,864 --> 00:31:07,064
a sure thing like that.

626
00:31:07,165 --> 00:31:10,000
What about five years from now,
when this is over,

627
00:31:10,101 --> 00:31:11,201
then what do I do?"

628
00:31:12,071 --> 00:31:16,673
You know, I often miss
some of the...

629
00:31:17,743 --> 00:31:20,177
some of the experiences
I would have had,

630
00:31:20,278 --> 00:31:23,280
but yeah, it wasn't
a hard decision really,

631
00:31:23,381 --> 00:31:25,616
for me to make, you know?

632
00:31:26,619 --> 00:31:28,819
The damn guys didn't have
to get so popular,

633
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,723
make it look shitty on me.
But, uh...

634
00:31:33,425 --> 00:31:34,191
Oh, I admired Cleave leaving.

635
00:31:34,292 --> 00:31:36,193
I mean, it was
a real cool story,

636
00:31:36,294 --> 00:31:38,262
to the extent it was a story
in Canada at the time,

637
00:31:38,363 --> 00:31:40,697
that the drummer in this band
is a mailman,

638
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:41,932
and they got a record deal,

639
00:31:42,033 --> 00:31:44,801
and he's quitting because he
doesn't want to leave his job

640
00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:46,003
because he's got kids.

641
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:50,440
And that was heartbreaking
because when you've got

642
00:31:50,542 --> 00:31:51,875
something that's
unique and neat,

643
00:31:51,977 --> 00:31:53,677
you don't want to mess with it.

644
00:31:53,778 --> 00:31:55,679
You know, they always say, like,
you change one member,

645
00:31:55,780 --> 00:31:57,748
it's not the same anymore.

646
00:31:58,617 --> 00:31:59,650
The funny thing
about Cleave

647
00:31:59,751 --> 00:32:01,685
is when he finally retired
from the post office,

648
00:32:01,786 --> 00:32:03,086
he phoned me up
and he said,

649
00:32:03,188 --> 00:32:05,622
"I just retired. So, tell
Glenn thanks."

650
00:32:06,725 --> 00:32:09,559
For holding my place, but I'm,
I'm coming back now.

651
00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:13,530
For filling in for him.

652
00:32:13,631 --> 00:32:15,032
For 20 years.

653
00:32:16,302 --> 00:32:20,203
We got our first major American
tour after he left the band,

654
00:32:20,305 --> 00:32:23,707
where we went out for
a long period of time.

655
00:32:23,808 --> 00:32:27,644
Now the focus was on making
our mark internationally,

656
00:32:27,746 --> 00:32:30,113
as opposed to making our mark
only in Canada.

657
00:32:30,215 --> 00:32:31,315
♪♪♪

658
00:32:31,416 --> 00:32:34,551
♪ You can live
in the house ♪

659
00:32:34,652 --> 00:32:38,822
♪ And I will find
a little place ♪

660
00:32:38,923 --> 00:32:43,493
♪ Around the corner ♪

661
00:32:43,595 --> 00:32:46,964
♪ Oh-oh ♪

662
00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:52,803
♪ Trouble comes from the
strangest quarters ♪

663
00:32:52,904 --> 00:32:56,173
♪ It snuck up on us now ♪

664
00:32:56,274 --> 00:33:00,944
♪ Without a warning ♪

665
00:33:01,046 --> 00:33:04,214
♪ Oh-oh, oh-oh, oh-oh ♪

666
00:33:04,315 --> 00:33:05,849
♪♪♪

667
00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:08,318
The songwriting
is one of the great inspirations

668
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:09,786
of my life,

669
00:33:09,888 --> 00:33:14,124
and when the God of songwriting
shines its light upon me,

670
00:33:14,225 --> 00:33:17,961
I'm just in the happiest place
that I could imagine being.

671
00:33:18,063 --> 00:33:22,899
It is one of the most pleasant,
calming things I do in my life.

672
00:33:23,836 --> 00:33:25,002
Songs are like little miracles,
you know,

673
00:33:25,103 --> 00:33:26,370
the way they fall into place.

674
00:33:26,471 --> 00:33:29,172
I know everybody writes songs
in their own way.

675
00:33:29,274 --> 00:33:32,809
You know, from my experience
of working together,

676
00:33:32,911 --> 00:33:36,713
Jim's songs generally
come in quite formed.

677
00:33:36,815 --> 00:33:41,151
Lyrics, done. Melodies, chords,
everything is there.

678
00:33:41,252 --> 00:33:45,355
He's much more constructed
when he comes in.

679
00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:49,926
Greg comes in a lot of times
with very sort of raw ideas.

680
00:33:50,028 --> 00:33:54,064
So the process can be a little
bit more unknown.

681
00:33:54,165 --> 00:33:57,367
There's a lot more potential
for, you know,

682
00:33:57,469 --> 00:33:59,936
kind of going around,
and around, and around

683
00:34:00,038 --> 00:34:02,973
to figure out where he feels he
wants the song to go.

684
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:04,975
You know, and I don't know
if Barry Manilow

685
00:34:05,076 --> 00:34:08,245
would agree with me, but they
feel like they come

686
00:34:08,346 --> 00:34:09,379
from somewhere else,

687
00:34:09,481 --> 00:34:10,981
and you got to get
your antenna up,

688
00:34:11,082 --> 00:34:13,784
and just sort of let the songs
come through you.

689
00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:17,054
They've charted their life
through songwriting,

690
00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:19,556
and they bring their
audience along

691
00:34:19,657 --> 00:34:20,891
through those passages.

692
00:34:20,992 --> 00:34:24,561
And they've all dealt
with broken hearts,

693
00:34:24,662 --> 00:34:26,129
death, birth.

694
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:28,965
The process of songwriting
is sitting with a guitar

695
00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:31,101
like I've been doing since
I was ten years old,

696
00:34:31,202 --> 00:34:33,837
and playing til I find
something interesting,

697
00:34:33,938 --> 00:34:36,206
and then that suggests a song.

698
00:34:36,307 --> 00:34:42,245
Songwriters have an aptitude
to marry melody and story,

699
00:34:42,347 --> 00:34:45,949
and I'm not sure if everyone can
describe where it comes from.

700
00:34:47,086 --> 00:34:49,119
You know, writing a song is like
unwrapping a present,

701
00:34:49,220 --> 00:34:52,689
and that's a sort of sweet
metaphor for the joy

702
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:55,859
and the surprise that
comes with songs.

703
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,762
It's the, it's the fuel
for a band.

704
00:34:58,863 --> 00:35:03,300
Jim and I realized that
to keep the band going,

705
00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:04,701
you got to have songs.

706
00:35:04,802 --> 00:35:06,570
There's a couple of
clunkers in there.

707
00:35:06,671 --> 00:35:08,171
They're still your children.

708
00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:11,274
I remember seeing
the interaction,

709
00:35:11,376 --> 00:35:14,144
the relationship between
Jim and Greg.

710
00:35:14,245 --> 00:35:16,947
There was some weird friction
there, like brothers.

711
00:35:17,048 --> 00:35:19,683
But I think a lot of times,
out of friction

712
00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:21,451
comes that creative spark.

713
00:35:21,553 --> 00:35:26,456
I think that there is a subtle
competition between us,

714
00:35:26,558 --> 00:35:28,024
the same way that
many brothers

715
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:31,761
have the sort of emotional
entanglements.

716
00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:35,332
I think Jim competes
more than I do.

717
00:35:35,433 --> 00:35:38,768
It came naturally to me, and it
was a little harder for him.

718
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:41,972
That's a joke. I was putting
that in to bug him.

719
00:35:42,841 --> 00:35:43,807
I don't think we compete
as songwriters,

720
00:35:43,908 --> 00:35:45,342
but we push each other.

721
00:35:45,443 --> 00:35:49,579
You know, if Greg has a
particularly fertile time,

722
00:35:49,681 --> 00:35:51,114
and he's writing a whole
bunch of songs,

723
00:35:51,216 --> 00:35:53,250
I think, oh my God,
I better get going.

724
00:35:54,453 --> 00:35:56,019
They used to write together, but
they write separately now.

725
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,289
And then they come in, and
the band will play around

726
00:35:59,390 --> 00:36:01,558
what they've written and
complete the song.

727
00:36:02,261 --> 00:36:02,959
Jim's going to hate me for this.

728
00:36:03,061 --> 00:36:05,862
I once told him this as a joke.

729
00:36:05,964 --> 00:36:09,299
I mean, here's a guy who
was quarterback

730
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,468
on the football team,

731
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:14,604
married the beautiful wife,

732
00:36:14,706 --> 00:36:20,744
and I said, "You, you have no
right to write sad songs."

733
00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:22,212
He didn't laugh.

734
00:36:23,182 --> 00:36:25,048
I don't think Paul McCartney
would have been

735
00:36:25,149 --> 00:36:28,285
Paul McCartney without
John Lennon, and vice versa.

736
00:36:28,386 --> 00:36:30,220
It took the two of them
to be the Beatles.

737
00:36:30,321 --> 00:36:32,622
But together there
was a magic

738
00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:34,758
that was bigger than
the two of them.

739
00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:38,495
♪♪♪

740
00:36:40,799 --> 00:36:43,500
Yeah, I've often asked
myself that.

741
00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:44,634
Why do you ask that question?

742
00:36:44,736 --> 00:36:46,803
Well, I think it's, I asked him
to ask that question.

743
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:49,906
I want to know.

744
00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:53,043
I have no idea why that is,
but we were heavily,

745
00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:56,846
Lennon/McCartney influenced.
And I think if --

746
00:36:56,948 --> 00:36:58,515
But that's alphabetical.

747
00:36:59,818 --> 00:37:00,650
Keelor/Cuddy's not.

748
00:37:00,752 --> 00:37:03,019
You bullied me in it,
just admit it.

749
00:37:03,121 --> 00:37:05,789
And even though you do
point out that, rightly,

750
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:09,926
that it's alphabetic, the
personalities of Lennon

751
00:37:10,028 --> 00:37:13,897
suited me more, and
McCartney him, right?

752
00:37:13,998 --> 00:37:20,036
Where I'm a little more loose,
and not as focused and,

753
00:37:20,138 --> 00:37:21,838
but can write some okay stuff,

754
00:37:21,939 --> 00:37:25,242
Jim is more of a music machine,

755
00:37:25,343 --> 00:37:28,745
and in the same way that
McCartney shows in that,

756
00:37:28,846 --> 00:37:33,450
in the "Get Back," he's a bit
of the engine to the band.

757
00:37:33,551 --> 00:37:36,453
You know, and they all
sort of tag along.

758
00:37:36,554 --> 00:37:38,255
But it never bothered me
one way or another.

759
00:37:38,356 --> 00:37:39,522
And, you know, early on
we decided

760
00:37:39,624 --> 00:37:41,791
it'd be just easier if we
tagged everything

761
00:37:41,893 --> 00:37:43,126
with the same ownership.

762
00:37:43,227 --> 00:37:44,294
And that's a Beatle
hangover, too.

763
00:37:44,395 --> 00:37:48,198
Yeah, but don't you think
Keelor/Cuddy sounds better?

764
00:37:48,299 --> 00:37:49,499
Like, I think that's why,
I mean,

765
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,201
it never bothered me
one way or another,

766
00:37:51,302 --> 00:37:53,570
but Cuddy/Keelor doesn't
sound right.

767
00:37:53,671 --> 00:37:56,172
Yeah, Cuddy/Keelor sounds
like farm equipment.

768
00:38:01,947 --> 00:38:03,880
♪♪♪

769
00:38:03,981 --> 00:38:06,583
After "Diamond Mine" was
sprawling and, you know,

770
00:38:06,684 --> 00:38:09,019
like a suitcase with clothes
hanging out of the side

771
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:09,953
when you close it,

772
00:38:10,054 --> 00:38:12,255
we wanted to have
a more concise record.

773
00:38:13,125 --> 00:38:14,658
Well, "Casino" was
a concerted effort

774
00:38:14,759 --> 00:38:17,127
to try and break the band
in the States.

775
00:38:17,228 --> 00:38:19,095
I hate to use the term
"clean it up,"

776
00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:21,498
but maybe the songs
were a little shorter,

777
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,769
there weren't as many excursions
into Bob Wiseman land.

778
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:27,937
We went down to
Hollywood to Studio B,

779
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,474
and Capital Studios,
and Frank and Dino,

780
00:38:31,576 --> 00:38:34,911
and the Beach Boys,
it was just fantastic.

781
00:38:35,012 --> 00:38:37,247
Pete Anderson
was our producer,

782
00:38:37,348 --> 00:38:39,749
and he has had hit records
with Dwight Yoakam,

783
00:38:39,851 --> 00:38:42,452
and he planned on having
a few with us.

784
00:38:43,588 --> 00:38:44,587
Pete's approach was different
because he didn't want

785
00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:46,723
to waste his time on stuff
that he didn't think

786
00:38:46,824 --> 00:38:48,124
was going to get on the radio.

787
00:38:48,226 --> 00:38:50,627
The challenge to me is,
whoever I work with,

788
00:38:50,728 --> 00:38:52,595
is let's make an
aggressive record

789
00:38:52,697 --> 00:38:55,865
that we can get on the radio
without losing the band,

790
00:38:55,967 --> 00:38:57,534
without losing their identity.

791
00:38:58,603 --> 00:39:01,471
Pete was not a fan of the
improvisational side

792
00:39:01,572 --> 00:39:04,541
of Bobby Weisman, and
really tried to contain it.

793
00:39:04,642 --> 00:39:09,713
Pete Anderson did not go for
Bobby's weird outside,

794
00:39:09,814 --> 00:39:10,947
as he called it.

795
00:39:11,048 --> 00:39:14,084
Bobby played in a style that,
just, Pete just didn't get.

796
00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:15,952
And he called it,
"the wacky stuff."

797
00:39:16,053 --> 00:39:17,787
He says to us,
"What you need is,

798
00:39:17,889 --> 00:39:19,122
you just need a keyboard
player,"

799
00:39:19,223 --> 00:39:21,057
and then get Bobby to just
put the wacky stuff on.

800
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,561
It was really, it was really
traumatic for me.

801
00:39:24,662 --> 00:39:26,996
So by that point, that record,

802
00:39:27,098 --> 00:39:28,898
I wasn't really present.

803
00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,035
So although we made,
I think, a good record,

804
00:39:32,136 --> 00:39:34,437
I think it was also
a bit crushing.

805
00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:36,806
You watch the video for
"Till I am Myself,"

806
00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:39,576
Bobby is definitely
somewhere else,

807
00:39:39,677 --> 00:39:42,512
because Bobby is absolutely
without expression.

808
00:39:42,613 --> 00:39:43,446
He just...

809
00:39:44,115 --> 00:39:47,350
♪ 'Til I am myself ♪

810
00:39:48,019 --> 00:39:52,222
♪ 'Til I am myself again ♪

811
00:39:52,323 --> 00:39:56,326
♪♪♪

812
00:39:56,427 --> 00:39:58,361
"Casino," there are
songs on that record

813
00:39:58,463 --> 00:40:00,463
that are such popular songs
in our catalog,

814
00:40:00,565 --> 00:40:04,834
and yet it was not a successful
record for us at that time.

815
00:40:04,936 --> 00:40:07,203
To have a real hit in America,

816
00:40:07,305 --> 00:40:10,373
when you're already a legend
in your home country,

817
00:40:10,475 --> 00:40:12,942
means that a lot of things
have to align.

818
00:40:13,044 --> 00:40:16,913
It's timing, its chemistry,
its money.

819
00:40:17,014 --> 00:40:18,681
It's the eve of the release
of the brand new

820
00:40:18,783 --> 00:40:22,585
Blue Rodeo record. This is a
record called "Casino,"

821
00:40:22,687 --> 00:40:23,386
which is why a lot of people

822
00:40:23,488 --> 00:40:24,554
are going to be
gambling tonight.

823
00:40:24,655 --> 00:40:25,755
And then there's probably
a little, tiny other gamble

824
00:40:25,857 --> 00:40:28,758
that's going on as to whether
or not this is the record

825
00:40:28,860 --> 00:40:31,361
that's going to launch Blue
Rodeo in the United States.

826
00:40:31,462 --> 00:40:33,163
Was produced by Pete Anderson.

827
00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:37,267
It's a lot more, shall we say,
radio accessible.

828
00:40:37,368 --> 00:40:39,469
A leaned down, stripped
down version

829
00:40:39,570 --> 00:40:41,438
of what we love best
about Blue Rodeo,

830
00:40:41,539 --> 00:40:44,140
which is great melodies,
and killer harmonies.

831
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:49,746
♪♪♪

832
00:40:49,847 --> 00:40:53,283
♪ I want to know where
my confidence went ♪

833
00:40:53,384 --> 00:40:56,686
♪ One day it all disappeared ♪

834
00:40:56,787 --> 00:41:00,890
♪ And I'm lying in a hotel room
miles away ♪

835
00:41:00,992 --> 00:41:03,726
♪ Voices next door in my ear ♪

836
00:41:04,563 --> 00:41:06,196
We're on tour
down in America,

837
00:41:06,297 --> 00:41:08,498
we get the call we're doing
The Tonight Show.

838
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:12,235
Now what, up until that point,
Jim and I had alternated,

839
00:41:12,336 --> 00:41:16,139
and he'd sing a song on TV,
I'd sing a song on TV.

840
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,042
The record company wanted us
to do "After the Rain,"

841
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:21,311
but it was my turn.

842
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,346
So I had a little hissy.

843
00:41:23,447 --> 00:41:26,716
Greg has this idea that in
order to have the guitar

844
00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:29,018
up where we want it, I have
to play really loud.

845
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,453
He does that in soundcheck,

846
00:41:30,555 --> 00:41:32,188
and we're in separate
dressing rooms,

847
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:34,190
and I get a call from our
management saying,

848
00:41:34,292 --> 00:41:37,160
"The Tonight Show has
called me and said,

849
00:41:37,261 --> 00:41:38,928
'You need to tell
the guitar player

850
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,930
to turn his guitar down."

851
00:41:41,032 --> 00:41:44,534
I played so loud
at soundcheck

852
00:41:44,635 --> 00:41:46,636
that they took me
out of the mix.

853
00:41:47,806 --> 00:41:49,072
They just turned me off.

854
00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:54,911
♪ Oh, one day ♪

855
00:41:55,012 --> 00:41:58,248
♪ When you discover ♪

856
00:41:59,184 --> 00:42:01,150
There's a certain point
where you realize

857
00:42:01,252 --> 00:42:04,120
you cannot influence your
partner's behavior.

858
00:42:04,221 --> 00:42:06,055
But yeah, it was, it was
so much fun.

859
00:42:06,157 --> 00:42:07,423
Even though I was
having a hissy.

860
00:42:07,525 --> 00:42:09,592
I like having a hissy
at The Tonight Show.

861
00:42:09,694 --> 00:42:18,201
♪♪♪

862
00:42:18,302 --> 00:42:21,337
One of the great tools in the
Blue Rodeo tool kit

863
00:42:21,439 --> 00:42:23,106
was the constant touring.

864
00:42:24,275 --> 00:42:27,143
♪ Oh, if I had my way ♪

865
00:42:28,313 --> 00:42:30,780
♪ I would never go back ♪

866
00:42:30,881 --> 00:42:33,383
♪♪♪

867
00:42:33,484 --> 00:42:39,522
♪ With my back to the wall,
just let myself fall ♪

868
00:42:39,624 --> 00:42:42,759
♪ Watch the daytimes
turn black ♪

869
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:46,629
♪ But now and again I find ♪

870
00:42:47,332 --> 00:42:50,900
♪ You cross my mind ♪

871
00:42:51,002 --> 00:42:52,835
Unfortunately for me, that was
sort of the beginning

872
00:42:52,937 --> 00:42:54,437
of my really bad troubles.

873
00:42:54,538 --> 00:42:57,173
So, that just ushers in a very
bad phase for me.

874
00:42:57,274 --> 00:43:00,810
♪ Oh, if I was a train ♪

875
00:43:01,780 --> 00:43:04,614
♪ I would never slow down ♪

876
00:43:04,715 --> 00:43:05,815
For us, we never
really had breaks.

877
00:43:05,916 --> 00:43:09,018
We would put a record out, and
we would tour that record

878
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,587
for probably a year,
year and a half.

879
00:43:10,688 --> 00:43:13,489
Then we would start doing
demos for our next record.

880
00:43:13,591 --> 00:43:16,059
We didn't take long periods
of time off.

881
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,495
♪ As I write one more
letter to you ♪

882
00:43:20,532 --> 00:43:24,500
♪ No, I can't change
the things that I do ♪

883
00:43:25,537 --> 00:43:27,503
♪ Whoa, whoa ♪

884
00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:34,310
♪ One day, when you discover ♪

885
00:43:35,313 --> 00:43:39,549
♪ Just why I ran ♪

886
00:43:40,285 --> 00:43:43,319
♪ Ran away from you, lover ♪

887
00:43:44,356 --> 00:43:46,656
♪ Well, I know I'm to blame ♪

888
00:43:46,757 --> 00:43:48,992
♪ Feel so ashamed ♪

889
00:43:49,093 --> 00:43:54,897
♪ Called out your name ♪

890
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:57,233
♪ Oh, after the rain ♪

891
00:43:57,334 --> 00:44:02,405
♪♪♪

892
00:44:02,506 --> 00:44:05,508
<i> We were on</i>
<i>the road all the time.</i>

893
00:44:05,609 --> 00:44:06,643
<i>There was constant touring.</i>

894
00:44:06,744 --> 00:44:08,478
<i>Like I remember one time</i>
<i>doing a coast to coast run</i>

895
00:44:08,579 --> 00:44:10,279
<i>in Canada, and it was over,</i>

896
00:44:10,381 --> 00:44:12,682
<i>and we had one day off</i>
<i>before we started</i>

897
00:44:12,783 --> 00:44:14,417
<i>the American tour.</i>

898
00:44:14,518 --> 00:44:17,220
You know, we were up to
about 250 shows a year

899
00:44:17,321 --> 00:44:20,690
for a few years.
It was too much.

900
00:44:20,791 --> 00:44:24,193
Well, it took a toll on
our emotional lives at home.

901
00:44:24,295 --> 00:44:26,396
By the end of the
"Casino" tour,

902
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:28,064
there's lots of people
having trouble

903
00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:29,365
with their relationships.

904
00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:31,334
You know, I know that
Jim had trouble,

905
00:44:31,435 --> 00:44:33,803
Greg had changed
partners as well.

906
00:44:33,904 --> 00:44:35,638
We were gone a long time.

907
00:44:37,075 --> 00:44:39,876
I had a girlfriend when
I left for tour,

908
00:44:39,977 --> 00:44:41,277
and by the time I came back,

909
00:44:41,378 --> 00:44:43,012
she was dating her roommate.

910
00:44:43,114 --> 00:44:45,415
By the time '90 rolls around,

911
00:44:45,516 --> 00:44:47,283
we've been doing
it for a long time.

912
00:44:47,384 --> 00:44:50,153
That's the most turbulent part
of my marriage.

913
00:44:50,254 --> 00:44:51,354
We had two kids quite quickly,

914
00:44:51,455 --> 00:44:53,623
my father passed away
unexpectedly,

915
00:44:53,724 --> 00:44:58,061
and Jim was gone
and touring a lot.

916
00:44:58,162 --> 00:45:00,730
And we really couldn't afford
a babysitter at this point,

917
00:45:00,831 --> 00:45:02,865
and I felt like I was
going to implode.

918
00:45:02,967 --> 00:45:05,702
And finally I just said, don't
come home. I'm done.

919
00:45:05,803 --> 00:45:14,310
♪♪♪

920
00:45:15,579 --> 00:45:17,480
Rena and I are at
the breaking point.

921
00:45:17,581 --> 00:45:19,949
So I think that Rena
actually did not want

922
00:45:20,050 --> 00:45:21,350
to stay married to me.

923
00:45:21,452 --> 00:45:23,352
We are not really talking,
and I come home

924
00:45:23,454 --> 00:45:28,191
to what I think is going to be
our arrangement to split up.

925
00:45:29,026 --> 00:45:31,227
♪ I walked you to the corner ♪

926
00:45:31,328 --> 00:45:33,830
♪ Stood beside the bus ♪

927
00:45:33,931 --> 00:45:36,632
♪ And the tears rolled
on our faces ♪

928
00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:39,769
♪ As the driver stared at us ♪

929
00:45:40,305 --> 00:45:42,672
♪ Typical summer ♪

930
00:45:42,773 --> 00:45:48,778
♪ That time of year when you
go back to Toronto ♪

931
00:45:48,879 --> 00:45:51,581
♪ And I stay here ♪

932
00:45:51,682 --> 00:45:54,350
♪ I miss the way you wake up ♪

933
00:45:54,451 --> 00:45:57,320
♪ And the way that you sigh ♪

934
00:45:57,421 --> 00:46:00,990
♪ And I miss the way you
turn your head away ♪

935
00:46:01,091 --> 00:46:03,192
♪ When you cry ♪

936
00:46:03,294 --> 00:46:09,165
♪ I don't think
this time will fly ♪

937
00:46:09,266 --> 00:46:14,103
♪ Here comes ♪

938
00:46:14,205 --> 00:46:18,541
♪ Sad nights again ♪

939
00:46:19,744 --> 00:46:22,678
♪ And here comes ♪

940
00:46:23,281 --> 00:46:27,116
♪ Sad nights again ♪

941
00:46:27,218 --> 00:46:31,988
♪♪♪

942
00:46:33,091 --> 00:46:34,924
You know that song, so I wrote
that song for Rena,

943
00:46:35,025 --> 00:46:36,959
I wrote a lot, I've written a
lot of songs for Rena.

944
00:46:37,061 --> 00:46:41,063
She doesn't like the fact she
takes the bus home.

945
00:46:41,900 --> 00:46:43,666
She said, "I never took
a bus home."

946
00:46:53,210 --> 00:47:05,154
♪♪♪

947
00:47:05,256 --> 00:47:08,324
♪ Summer girls,
they sure are fun ♪

948
00:47:08,425 --> 00:47:11,360
♪ Get so golden in the sun ♪

949
00:47:11,462 --> 00:47:15,698
♪ That they could block out
any other thought ♪

950
00:47:15,799 --> 00:47:17,967
♪♪♪

951
00:47:18,068 --> 00:47:20,670
♪ Dry your eyes and turn away ♪

952
00:47:20,771 --> 00:47:23,840
♪ Because there's nothing
we can't say ♪

953
00:47:23,941 --> 00:47:28,444
♪ 'Cause we were never
meant to talk a lot ♪

954
00:47:29,447 --> 00:47:33,449
Blue Rodeo is
beloved by Canadians,

955
00:47:33,550 --> 00:47:36,219
and it's the connection
with the audience

956
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,590
that, that is consistent
wherever they play.

957
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:44,060
When "Outskirts" was released,
we were seven years old.

958
00:47:44,161 --> 00:47:45,361
We were, we were,
we were kids,

959
00:47:45,462 --> 00:47:49,098
and not yet in control of, like,
what our musical,

960
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,868
you know, influences or
experiences were going to be.

961
00:47:51,969 --> 00:47:54,370
We were really relying
obviously on our parents.

962
00:47:54,471 --> 00:47:55,938
And I think, you know,
it doesn't,

963
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,740
it didn't stand out to
me then as much,

964
00:47:57,841 --> 00:48:01,911
but the difference between
Jim and Greg's voices.

965
00:48:02,012 --> 00:48:03,846
And as I've gone back
and revisited,

966
00:48:03,948 --> 00:48:07,450
and sort of re-fallen in love
with Blue Rodeo.

967
00:48:07,551 --> 00:48:11,153
I hate to tell Jim this,
but I'm, I'm a Greg.

968
00:48:11,255 --> 00:48:12,922
I'm a Greg, voice person.

969
00:48:13,023 --> 00:48:13,923
Damn!

970
00:48:14,024 --> 00:48:14,857
I'm just being honest!
I'm just being honest.

971
00:48:15,994 --> 00:48:18,427
The music sounds --
if somebody said to me --

972
00:48:18,529 --> 00:48:21,731
in fact, years ago my
manager said, I said,

973
00:48:21,832 --> 00:48:23,866
"I want you to hear this band,"

974
00:48:23,968 --> 00:48:26,369
and she fell in love
with Blue Rodeo.

975
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:28,271
And 'cause she was
sort of a little country,

976
00:48:28,372 --> 00:48:29,872
she was a little this,
she's a little that,

977
00:48:29,974 --> 00:48:33,242
she said, "Is that,
is that Canada?"

978
00:48:33,344 --> 00:48:35,878
And I said, "You know what?
Yeah.

979
00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:39,615
Whatever you're responding
to is Canada."

980
00:48:40,285 --> 00:48:41,183
When I think of Blue Rodeo,

981
00:48:41,285 --> 00:48:42,985
the first thing that pops
into my head is,

982
00:48:43,087 --> 00:48:46,489
we started to be allowed to
have co-ed parties

983
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:48,824
at our house when we were 12.

984
00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:51,961
And we would like, listen
to our parents' music

985
00:48:52,062 --> 00:48:53,062
at these parties.

986
00:48:53,163 --> 00:48:56,465
And I slow danced with my
boyfriend, Bobby,

987
00:48:56,567 --> 00:49:00,269
to like, "Five Days in May"
and "Hasn't Hit Me Yet."

988
00:49:00,371 --> 00:49:01,771
Like, I have like this memory.

989
00:49:01,872 --> 00:49:06,042
And then the next year, he
and I put on those songs

990
00:49:06,143 --> 00:49:07,910
because he was like,
"These are our songs."

991
00:49:08,012 --> 00:49:10,146
Like, he'd remembered
that we danced to them

992
00:49:10,247 --> 00:49:11,113
the year before.

993
00:49:11,215 --> 00:49:12,748
Like, it's so sweet
on his side of things

994
00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:15,017
that he had, like, he thought
we had songs,

995
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,420
and it's cringe for me because
I'm like, so gay.

996
00:49:17,521 --> 00:49:19,188
So it was like, for me,
it was like,

997
00:49:19,289 --> 00:49:22,692
"Oh God, I got to dance with
Bobby again!" you know?

998
00:49:24,629 --> 00:49:26,429
I think just that openness,
and that inclusiveness

999
00:49:26,530 --> 00:49:27,830
that they showed me early on,

1000
00:49:27,931 --> 00:49:29,165
they're like that with
everybody,

1001
00:49:29,266 --> 00:49:32,568
and there's not a lot of airs
with either of them.

1002
00:49:32,669 --> 00:49:35,237
They're just good, solid guys.

1003
00:49:35,339 --> 00:49:37,039
The other day, I posted
on social media

1004
00:49:37,141 --> 00:49:42,445
asking people what moves
them about Blue Rodeo,

1005
00:49:42,546 --> 00:49:44,914
and it went viral.

1006
00:49:45,015 --> 00:49:48,651
Sarah Dundas wrote: "They came
on our first date with us.

1007
00:49:48,752 --> 00:49:51,387
They were with us for
our worst break ups.

1008
00:49:51,488 --> 00:49:53,356
They are a part of our lives."

1009
00:49:53,457 --> 00:49:55,291
This one is from Nola Simon:

1010
00:49:55,392 --> 00:49:58,627
"It's the emotion and the
relatability of the songs,

1011
00:49:58,729 --> 00:50:02,465
along with tiny little Canadian
details sprinkled in."

1012
00:50:02,566 --> 00:50:05,267
From David Andrew Rosenberg:

1013
00:50:05,369 --> 00:50:09,638
"Honesty, integrity,
authenticity in every molecule

1014
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:13,743
of this band. And that is
why we love you."

1015
00:50:14,379 --> 00:50:16,045
The band. Not you, David.

1016
00:50:17,414 --> 00:50:24,286
♪ When summer's gone, ooh ♪

1017
00:50:24,388 --> 00:50:27,189
♪♪♪

1018
00:50:28,292 --> 00:50:30,960
It felt like we'd been
on the road forever.

1019
00:50:31,061 --> 00:50:34,363
And we were playing
in a suburb of Detroit,

1020
00:50:34,465 --> 00:50:36,032
and it was some
sort of rib festival

1021
00:50:36,133 --> 00:50:38,100
because we did a lot of rib
festivals in those days.

1022
00:50:39,336 --> 00:50:44,206
And it was of the most pathetic
gigs we had ever played.

1023
00:50:44,308 --> 00:50:47,743
We were, there was this, we were
on this side of a canal.

1024
00:50:47,845 --> 00:50:48,811
Oh, that's right.

1025
00:50:48,912 --> 00:50:52,048
And then on the other side
were the rib fest people

1026
00:50:52,149 --> 00:50:55,017
who were, you know, barely
knew we were there.

1027
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,755
And so a few times big boats
came down the canal,

1028
00:50:59,857 --> 00:51:02,591
and so they couldn't
hear us, or see us,

1029
00:51:02,693 --> 00:51:04,260
for an extended period of time.

1030
00:51:04,361 --> 00:51:06,028
So it just seemed so useless.

1031
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:08,664
And after a certain point of
touring in America,

1032
00:51:08,765 --> 00:51:11,634
we were sick of it.

1033
00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:16,372
And the chorus came
quickly that night to me

1034
00:51:16,473 --> 00:51:18,474
because it, just, well,
if we're lost,

1035
00:51:18,575 --> 00:51:19,942
at least we're lost together.

1036
00:51:21,679 --> 00:51:24,046
Two, three, four.

1037
00:51:24,148 --> 00:51:27,249
♪♪♪

1038
00:51:27,351 --> 00:51:29,285
I remember Greg coming
in with "Lost Together,"

1039
00:51:29,386 --> 00:51:32,988
coming on the bus saying,
"I got this song,"

1040
00:51:33,090 --> 00:51:34,790
and he started singing
the chorus.

1041
00:51:34,892 --> 00:51:37,193
And we were, we actually
kind of made a joke of it.

1042
00:51:38,196 --> 00:51:40,663
And I remember making fun
of him in the bus.

1043
00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:42,131
I don't know whether
it was too tender,

1044
00:51:42,232 --> 00:51:43,699
or I can't remember why.

1045
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,234
And he was definitely offended,

1046
00:51:45,335 --> 00:51:46,635
and I felt bad for doing it.

1047
00:51:46,737 --> 00:51:48,771
They thought it was
too sentimental.

1048
00:51:48,872 --> 00:51:51,874
Because it was such a singsong
type thing, you know?

1049
00:51:51,975 --> 00:51:54,643
But then when we rehearsed it,
we realized,

1050
00:51:54,745 --> 00:51:57,113
no, no, this is actually
a good song, you know,

1051
00:51:57,214 --> 00:51:59,215
because we, we heard him
singing the chorus

1052
00:51:59,316 --> 00:52:02,451
over and over in the back
lounge of the bus,

1053
00:52:02,553 --> 00:52:06,522
and we'd be kind of going,
he's still Lost Together, is he?

1054
00:52:07,958 --> 00:52:10,226
♪ And if we're lost ♪

1055
00:52:10,327 --> 00:52:13,596
♪♪♪

1056
00:52:13,697 --> 00:52:16,565
♪ We are lost together ♪

1057
00:52:16,667 --> 00:52:19,969
♪♪♪

1058
00:52:20,070 --> 00:52:21,937
There was a couple of times
when Greg's instincts

1059
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:23,739
about music were just so right,

1060
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,808
and the band and me
were so wrong,

1061
00:52:25,909 --> 00:52:28,144
and I was so wrong about
"Lost Together."

1062
00:52:28,245 --> 00:52:30,279
You have to just look back
with embarrassment

1063
00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:32,381
at how off the mark you were.

1064
00:52:32,482 --> 00:52:36,118
♪♪♪

1065
00:52:36,220 --> 00:52:38,587
I was playing with
Andrew Cash,

1066
00:52:38,689 --> 00:52:41,023
opening for Blue Rodeo
in Guelph University,

1067
00:52:41,124 --> 00:52:43,159
and they were looking
for a new drummer

1068
00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:46,595
before they recorded
"Lost Together."

1069
00:52:46,697 --> 00:52:52,902
I was really into thrash metal
at the time.

1070
00:52:53,003 --> 00:52:55,037
I played double kick
drum pedals,

1071
00:52:55,138 --> 00:52:57,072
which sounds like the drummer
from Megadeth.

1072
00:52:57,174 --> 00:52:59,975
First of all, I got a call from
Andrew Cash saying,

1073
00:53:00,077 --> 00:53:02,811
"Glenn, I think your ship
has come in."

1074
00:53:02,913 --> 00:53:04,847
And then I got a call
from Jim Cuddy

1075
00:53:04,948 --> 00:53:07,816
asking if I'd be interested in
coming in and auditioning.

1076
00:53:07,918 --> 00:53:10,619
When he came in, he was
probably too muscular

1077
00:53:10,721 --> 00:53:11,887
for us at that point.

1078
00:53:11,989 --> 00:53:14,823
I don't think I was an
obvious choice for Blue Rodeo.

1079
00:53:14,925 --> 00:53:19,094
I think the fact that I also
had other possibilities

1080
00:53:19,196 --> 00:53:22,932
in my toolkit musically
was of interest to them.

1081
00:53:23,033 --> 00:53:25,067
I remember doing
"Rain Down on Me,"

1082
00:53:25,168 --> 00:53:27,670
and I thought, I guess this
isn't a good song.

1083
00:53:27,771 --> 00:53:29,004
I should just, I should
just dump it

1084
00:53:29,106 --> 00:53:30,139
because it wasn't working.

1085
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,775
So, we asked Glenn if he would
come and play with us,

1086
00:53:32,876 --> 00:53:34,777
and he changed everything.

1087
00:53:34,878 --> 00:53:38,814
The demos sounded great.
We just righted the ship.

1088
00:53:40,450 --> 00:53:44,420
♪ Rain on me ♪

1089
00:53:45,022 --> 00:53:49,458
♪ Oh, rain down on me ♪

1090
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:50,893
The song,
"Rain Down on Me"

1091
00:53:50,994 --> 00:53:52,494
all of a sudden made
sense to me

1092
00:53:52,596 --> 00:53:54,263
and, and we could go forth.

1093
00:53:54,364 --> 00:53:56,632
So I think that that
was a testament

1094
00:53:56,733 --> 00:54:00,236
to how good Glenn is
as a drummer.

1095
00:54:00,337 --> 00:54:03,005
We had to get him away from
the double bass drum.

1096
00:54:03,106 --> 00:54:06,108
That just, that was
not right for us.

1097
00:54:07,311 --> 00:54:10,279
Jim told me years later that he
went to Greg and he said,

1098
00:54:10,380 --> 00:54:13,816
like, "What about this
double kick thing, man?"

1099
00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:15,818
And, and Greg was like,
"Just give him time,

1100
00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:17,219
just give him time,"
which was nice

1101
00:54:17,321 --> 00:54:18,420
because they could have
just said, like,

1102
00:54:18,522 --> 00:54:21,223
"You gotta lose a double kick,"
and I would have lost it.

1103
00:54:21,325 --> 00:54:22,925
But it did eventually
occur to me

1104
00:54:23,026 --> 00:54:26,328
that this is really on the
wrong side of tasteful.

1105
00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:28,030
♪♪♪

1106
00:54:28,131 --> 00:54:31,166
♪ Didn't know what
to bring you ♪

1107
00:54:31,268 --> 00:54:33,235
Yeah, when I started
rehearsing with them,

1108
00:54:33,337 --> 00:54:37,973
it seemed like the band
was in some disarray.

1109
00:54:38,075 --> 00:54:40,576
Jim and Greg seemed really
intent and focused

1110
00:54:40,677 --> 00:54:41,977
on what they were doing.

1111
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:44,847
And then there was Bobby Weisman
on keyboards,

1112
00:54:44,948 --> 00:54:48,584
who was clearly unhappy with
being in the band.

1113
00:54:48,685 --> 00:54:50,753
He just didn't really seem to
want to be there anymore.

1114
00:54:50,854 --> 00:54:54,990
I think he'd had enough of, of
Greg and I guiding the songs.

1115
00:54:55,092 --> 00:54:57,893
That's not the way he envisioned
Blue Rodeo going.

1116
00:54:58,896 --> 00:55:01,297
I think I was trying to
figure out how to leave

1117
00:55:01,398 --> 00:55:02,898
for more than a year.

1118
00:55:02,999 --> 00:55:05,968
Because even though
it started beautiful,

1119
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:07,536
and even though I loved
those guys,

1120
00:55:07,637 --> 00:55:09,638
the relationships changed
over time.

1121
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:10,873
That kind of broke my heart.

1122
00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:12,641
But the relationships
in the beginning

1123
00:55:12,743 --> 00:55:15,911
were really beautiful and really
about friendship, you know?

1124
00:55:17,248 --> 00:55:19,648
<i> Bobby was not someone</i>
<i>who was necessarily cut out</i>

1125
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:21,917
<i>to be a side man.</i>

1126
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,019
Bobby had gone from
this guy who was like

1127
00:55:24,121 --> 00:55:27,256
this animated jumping bean
on stage,

1128
00:55:27,357 --> 00:55:29,158
and then one day he stopped
doing all of it.

1129
00:55:29,259 --> 00:55:31,026
People are coming in
expecting to see

1130
00:55:31,128 --> 00:55:33,696
the wild man on keyboards,

1131
00:55:33,797 --> 00:55:35,064
and now the wild man's
just sitting there

1132
00:55:35,165 --> 00:55:36,465
with a straight face.

1133
00:55:36,566 --> 00:55:38,834
I was surprised when he called
me and said he was,

1134
00:55:38,935 --> 00:55:39,835
he was leaving.

1135
00:55:40,504 --> 00:55:42,538
And Jim was really awesome.

1136
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:45,908
I mean, I remember really
clearly that he just said,

1137
00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:47,843
"It was great making music
with you."

1138
00:55:47,944 --> 00:55:50,412
And it's a very nice,
it's a really nice thing

1139
00:55:50,514 --> 00:55:51,880
about Jim's personality.

1140
00:55:52,883 --> 00:55:54,750
In the video, was it a little
homage to him

1141
00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:57,319
in the, in the solo section.

1142
00:55:57,421 --> 00:56:00,122
We built this little keyboard
altar for him.

1143
00:56:01,858 --> 00:56:07,863
♪♪♪

1144
00:56:07,964 --> 00:56:12,534
♪ In the silence of this
whispered night ♪

1145
00:56:13,604 --> 00:56:15,237
<i> When Cleave left,</i>
<i>it was tough.</i>

1146
00:56:15,338 --> 00:56:17,573
<i>And then when we got Glenn,</i>
<i>you know,</i>

1147
00:56:17,674 --> 00:56:20,142
<i>you can't help but wonder,</i>
<i>is this going to work?</i>

1148
00:56:21,178 --> 00:56:21,977
I remember talking to Greg
about how difficult

1149
00:56:22,078 --> 00:56:23,612
this was going to be
because Bobby

1150
00:56:23,713 --> 00:56:27,349
was such a big feature in the
band, especially live.

1151
00:56:27,451 --> 00:56:29,084
And he said, "Don't worry,
we'll never go back.

1152
00:56:29,186 --> 00:56:30,252
We'll never go backwards."

1153
00:56:31,855 --> 00:56:33,722
♪♪♪

1154
00:56:33,824 --> 00:56:37,493
♪ And I want all the world
to know ♪

1155
00:56:37,594 --> 00:56:39,661
♪♪♪

1156
00:56:39,763 --> 00:56:43,065
♪ That your love's all I need ♪

1157
00:56:43,166 --> 00:56:49,004
♪ All that I need ♪

1158
00:56:49,607 --> 00:56:53,542
♪ And if we're lost ♪

1159
00:56:53,643 --> 00:56:55,644
♪♪♪

1160
00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:58,547
♪ Then we are lost together ♪

1161
00:56:58,648 --> 00:57:02,017
♪♪♪

1162
00:57:02,118 --> 00:57:05,487
♪ Yeah, if we're lost ♪

1163
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:07,222
♪♪♪

1164
00:57:07,324 --> 00:57:09,992
I loved it all. It was like,
it was amazing.

1165
00:57:10,093 --> 00:57:12,795
I mean, those guys, they were
like my brothers.

1166
00:57:12,896 --> 00:57:15,330
It was like an incredible
experience.

1167
00:57:15,432 --> 00:57:18,734
I loved, I loved them, I loved
everything about it.

1168
00:57:18,835 --> 00:57:21,136
♪♪♪

1169
00:57:21,238 --> 00:57:24,506
♪ Then we are lost together ♪

1170
00:57:24,608 --> 00:57:28,844
♪ Together, together ♪

1171
00:57:28,945 --> 00:57:31,447
♪♪♪

1172
00:57:31,548 --> 00:57:35,751
Thanks so much, Halifax!
Always a pleasure.

1173
00:57:43,126 --> 00:57:44,393
Thank you all very much.

1174
00:57:44,494 --> 00:57:46,962
So beautiful to see
your faces, thanks.

1175
00:57:52,269 --> 00:57:56,538
♪♪♪

1176
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,641
We were playing Australia
frequently.

1177
00:57:59,743 --> 00:58:02,211
That's a long way, it's a very
exhausting travel.

1178
00:58:02,312 --> 00:58:05,347
And we were just burnt out.

1179
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:09,117
Around that time,
Jim came to me.

1180
00:58:09,219 --> 00:58:11,119
The band needed a break.

1181
00:58:11,221 --> 00:58:14,423
It's money, how do we exist,

1182
00:58:14,524 --> 00:58:17,426
and still be able to take
a year or two off?

1183
00:58:17,527 --> 00:58:21,230
So I went to my boss, "We need
a little bit more money

1184
00:58:21,331 --> 00:58:24,199
than usual for the next record.

1185
00:58:24,301 --> 00:58:26,068
In fact, what do you
think of this?

1186
00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:29,071
We give, we give Blue Rodeo
this signing bonus

1187
00:58:29,172 --> 00:58:31,507
for a new contract, and then
when they're ready

1188
00:58:31,608 --> 00:58:33,008
to make the first record,

1189
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:34,977
we'll give them another
big chunk of money,

1190
00:58:35,078 --> 00:58:37,679
which is more money than
we've ever given them.

1191
00:58:37,781 --> 00:58:42,217
And, and then the band's going
to disappear for two years.

1192
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:43,919
What do you think?"

1193
00:58:45,189 --> 00:58:47,422
Five Days started off as
Jim coming to me in a rehearsal

1194
00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:49,992
and saying that he and Greg
wanted to make

1195
00:58:50,093 --> 00:58:54,229
an acoustic EP, and I was like,
"Okay, sure, let's do that,

1196
00:58:54,331 --> 00:58:55,230
and get that out of the way,

1197
00:58:55,332 --> 00:58:56,865
and then do a proper rock
record," you know,

1198
00:58:56,967 --> 00:58:59,601
which was, that was my
mentality at the time.

1199
00:58:59,703 --> 00:59:02,137
You know, in my mind, we were
still post grunge Rodeo,

1200
00:59:02,238 --> 00:59:04,773
and I was still kind of hoping
we were gonna go,

1201
00:59:04,874 --> 00:59:06,275
go in that direction, I think.

1202
00:59:06,376 --> 00:59:08,944
You know, on the way home
from Australia,

1203
00:59:09,045 --> 00:59:12,147
I'm thinking I'm going to go
home and relax for a bit.

1204
00:59:13,150 --> 00:59:14,583
Greg comes and sits beside me
in the plane,

1205
00:59:14,684 --> 00:59:17,019
"We've got all this
new material.

1206
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,055
I think we should go and record
it as soon as we get home."

1207
00:59:20,156 --> 00:59:22,157
He said, "In fact, we can
do it at my farm.

1208
00:59:22,258 --> 00:59:24,826
We can get Doug McClement
to bring his truck out."

1209
00:59:24,928 --> 00:59:26,995
Harkening back to
enjoying the experience

1210
00:59:27,097 --> 00:59:28,664
of the "Diamond Mine"
sessions so much,

1211
00:59:28,765 --> 00:59:30,399
where they were just kind of
set up in a circle,

1212
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:32,234
no headphones, and we'd
just like to record

1213
00:59:32,335 --> 00:59:34,102
a whole bunch of tunes over
the course of a week.

1214
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:37,239
And since we've done
all this traveling,

1215
00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:38,507
let's make it fun.

1216
00:59:38,608 --> 00:59:41,143
And we'll just do
this side record.

1217
00:59:41,244 --> 00:59:42,144
Won't be a big deal.

1218
00:59:42,245 --> 00:59:44,746
I'd never been in a house
where it was just,

1219
00:59:44,848 --> 00:59:46,148
like, full of instruments.

1220
00:59:46,249 --> 00:59:47,282
Like, he had all these guitars,

1221
00:59:47,384 --> 00:59:50,886
he had a couple of drum sets,
he had amps everywhere.

1222
00:59:50,987 --> 00:59:53,288
We set up in his living room,
and there's people all around,

1223
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:57,059
there's Mimi, our favorite
restaurateur is cooking for us.

1224
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,595
People are in the pool, and
we're just doing songs live

1225
00:59:59,696 --> 01:00:00,495
off the floor.

1226
01:00:00,597 --> 01:00:02,130
Everybody's changing
their style a bit,

1227
01:00:02,232 --> 01:00:04,967
I'm learning how to play
mandolin, harmonica.

1228
01:00:05,068 --> 01:00:07,302
We didn't really have
traditional room dividers

1229
01:00:07,404 --> 01:00:08,637
that they'd have in the studio,

1230
01:00:08,738 --> 01:00:11,873
so we set up microphone
stands in a t-bar setting

1231
01:00:11,975 --> 01:00:15,077
and hung sleeping bags and
packing blankets over them.

1232
01:00:15,178 --> 01:00:18,614
On paper, a recording engineer
would be horrified.

1233
01:00:18,715 --> 01:00:20,949
He would say, that album
came out of that room?

1234
01:00:21,051 --> 01:00:22,084
You know, there were
people camping,

1235
01:00:22,185 --> 01:00:25,887
people coming out for the day,
or just an overnight.

1236
01:00:25,989 --> 01:00:30,158
And a lot of the Queen Street
sort of people

1237
01:00:30,260 --> 01:00:31,960
would be hanging out.

1238
01:00:32,830 --> 01:00:33,762
We had
Sarah McLachlan there,

1239
01:00:33,863 --> 01:00:36,264
and Anne Bourne on cello
and backing vocals,

1240
01:00:36,366 --> 01:00:38,533
and, and the five of us.

1241
01:00:38,635 --> 01:00:41,903
I was invited in, and everybody
was super warm

1242
01:00:42,005 --> 01:00:43,405
and inviting, and inclusive,

1243
01:00:43,506 --> 01:00:46,341
and that was kind of the first
time I felt something like that

1244
01:00:46,443 --> 01:00:47,776
within a musical community.

1245
01:00:47,877 --> 01:00:49,811
So when I say it was
influential,

1246
01:00:49,913 --> 01:00:53,081
it was incredible for me to feel
part of something

1247
01:00:53,183 --> 01:00:54,983
bigger than myself
for the first time.

1248
01:00:55,085 --> 01:00:58,954
And, I think that Blue Rodeo --
Greg and Jim in particular --

1249
01:00:59,055 --> 01:01:02,424
really showed me that that is
how it is to be a musician

1250
01:01:02,525 --> 01:01:03,158
in the world.

1251
01:01:04,294 --> 01:01:06,061
Again, it's one of those
moments where it's like,

1252
01:01:06,162 --> 01:01:10,298
is this a dream? Because
it seems so ideal.

1253
01:01:11,368 --> 01:01:14,336
You know, I still kind of
get emotional when I,

1254
01:01:14,437 --> 01:01:15,904
when I think about it.

1255
01:01:16,005 --> 01:01:20,275
Of all the experiences I had
over 25 years in the business,

1256
01:01:20,376 --> 01:01:22,344
that's kind of at the top.

1257
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,080
And I was sitting on the floor
with Michael Hollett,

1258
01:01:25,181 --> 01:01:28,250
and the backyard is full of
family and friends and dogs.

1259
01:01:28,351 --> 01:01:31,420
And then Greg yells
out the screen door,

1260
01:01:31,521 --> 01:01:36,324
"Okay, everybody shut up.
We're going to do a take."

1261
01:01:37,594 --> 01:01:39,761
And if you put headphones
on, you can hear dogs barking,

1262
01:01:39,863 --> 01:01:43,365
you can hear birds, you can hear
thunder and lightning

1263
01:01:43,466 --> 01:01:44,199
some nights.

1264
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:46,201
Also, there's almost
no overdubbing

1265
01:01:46,302 --> 01:01:47,135
on that record whatsoever.

1266
01:01:47,237 --> 01:01:49,838
That's five guys in a room
playing songs.

1267
01:01:49,939 --> 01:01:51,339
It was live off the floor.

1268
01:01:51,441 --> 01:01:53,208
If somebody made a mistake
three minutes in,

1269
01:01:53,309 --> 01:01:55,510
they'd start over again
and do it again.

1270
01:01:55,612 --> 01:01:57,479
But it isn't cut and
pasted together

1271
01:01:57,580 --> 01:01:59,114
the way records are
being made now.

1272
01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:02,451
It was very much like
documenting a live event.

1273
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,419
And I think that
we thought of it

1274
01:02:04,521 --> 01:02:05,921
as just a side project.

1275
01:02:06,022 --> 01:02:08,023
It wasn't until I heard
the playback,

1276
01:02:08,124 --> 01:02:12,160
and these acoustic songs had
a beautiful landscape,

1277
01:02:12,262 --> 01:02:14,763
and they were powerful because
they were beautiful sounds

1278
01:02:14,864 --> 01:02:16,031
with space in them.

1279
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:18,400
It was pretty apparent
that "Five Days"

1280
01:02:18,501 --> 01:02:20,836
was going to be
something different.

1281
01:02:20,937 --> 01:02:23,171
I think pretty much any musician
who plays in a band

1282
01:02:23,273 --> 01:02:24,506
goes into the studio.

1283
01:02:24,607 --> 01:02:26,842
You're hoping to catch
something,

1284
01:02:26,943 --> 01:02:29,077
and they caught
something magical.

1285
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:31,880
All of a sudden our palette had
so many more paints on it,

1286
01:02:31,981 --> 01:02:35,550
so many more colors. So it
changed us forever.

1287
01:02:35,652 --> 01:02:37,686
It was a complete work.

1288
01:02:37,787 --> 01:02:39,821
Kind of like Sergeant Pepper,
you know,

1289
01:02:39,923 --> 01:02:42,657
if you put it on, you went
from the track one

1290
01:02:42,759 --> 01:02:46,561
to the last track as
a full piece of work.

1291
01:02:46,663 --> 01:02:49,097
And I guess the punch line
was, it was,

1292
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:51,867
in terms of Blue Rodeo's goals,

1293
01:02:51,968 --> 01:02:54,469
it was a complete
and utter disaster

1294
01:02:54,571 --> 01:03:01,176
because it took off like the
second rocket in their career.

1295
01:03:01,277 --> 01:03:06,848
And the the offers
to tour were so big

1296
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:09,985
that they couldn't take
the two years off.

1297
01:03:10,888 --> 01:03:12,387
And they just went
straight back at it.

1298
01:03:13,090 --> 01:03:16,224
So, failed mission. I'm sorry.

1299
01:03:17,828 --> 01:03:20,762
♪ They met in a hurricane ♪

1300
01:03:20,864 --> 01:03:22,531
♪ Standing in the shelter ♪

1301
01:03:22,632 --> 01:03:24,633
♪ Out of the rain ♪

1302
01:03:24,734 --> 01:03:28,436
♪ She tucked a note
into his hand ♪

1303
01:03:28,538 --> 01:03:31,740
♪♪♪

1304
01:03:31,841 --> 01:03:34,810
♪ Later on, they took his car ♪

1305
01:03:34,911 --> 01:03:38,814
♪ Drove on down where
the beaches are ♪

1306
01:03:38,915 --> 01:03:42,584
♪ He wrote her name
in the sand ♪

1307
01:03:42,685 --> 01:03:45,720
♪♪♪

1308
01:03:45,822 --> 01:03:49,524
♪ Never even let go
of her hand ♪

1309
01:03:49,626 --> 01:03:54,729
♪♪♪

1310
01:03:54,831 --> 01:03:57,666
♪ Sometimes the world begins ♪

1311
01:03:57,767 --> 01:04:01,002
♪ To set you up
on your feet again ♪

1312
01:04:01,104 --> 01:04:06,174
♪ And I know it wipes the tears
from your eyes ♪

1313
01:04:06,276 --> 01:04:09,077
<i> And the winner</i>
<i>of the Juno goes to...</i>

1314
01:04:09,178 --> 01:04:11,746
♪ And how will you
ever know ♪

1315
01:04:11,848 --> 01:04:15,350
♪ The way that
circumstances go? ♪

1316
01:04:15,451 --> 01:04:19,754
♪ Always gonna hit you
by surprise ♪

1317
01:04:19,856 --> 01:04:22,290
♪♪♪

1318
01:04:22,392 --> 01:04:24,559
♪ But I know my past ♪

1319
01:04:24,661 --> 01:04:26,294
♪ You were there ♪

1320
01:04:26,396 --> 01:04:30,131
♪ Everything I've done ♪

1321
01:04:30,701 --> 01:04:32,067
♪ You are the one ♪

1322
01:04:32,168 --> 01:04:37,939
♪♪♪

1323
01:04:41,945 --> 01:04:43,278
♪♪♪

1324
01:04:43,379 --> 01:04:45,080
With this record,
so much happened,

1325
01:04:45,181 --> 01:04:48,216
and there was, there were
so many possibilities.

1326
01:04:48,318 --> 01:04:49,284
When you get into
making a record,

1327
01:04:49,385 --> 01:04:52,020
there's so many possibilities
at a certain point

1328
01:04:52,121 --> 01:04:56,091
that it's very easy to lose
sight of what you started out

1329
01:04:56,192 --> 01:04:57,225
trying to do.

1330
01:04:57,327 --> 01:05:01,162
And, and the dust is just sort
of cleared for me now.

1331
01:05:02,232 --> 01:05:04,499
Yeah, I wanted to do something
totally different.

1332
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:08,637
I don't even know what,
but I just wanted to try

1333
01:05:08,738 --> 01:05:10,939
to go in another direction.

1334
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,541
Part of the painful thing was
it was the mirror opposite.

1335
01:05:13,643 --> 01:05:15,510
It was the evil twin
of "Five Days,"

1336
01:05:15,611 --> 01:05:17,012
done under the same
circumstances.

1337
01:05:17,113 --> 01:05:19,080
We thought, oh, a winter
version, this will be cool.

1338
01:05:19,182 --> 01:05:21,416
By the time we were doing
"Nowhere to Here,"

1339
01:05:21,517 --> 01:05:22,951
we were indoors all the time.

1340
01:05:23,052 --> 01:05:25,253
And you know, we had
a big bag of weed.

1341
01:05:25,355 --> 01:05:26,955
It's kind of a stoner record.

1342
01:05:27,056 --> 01:05:30,825
And partly because we
were all really stoned,

1343
01:05:30,927 --> 01:05:33,261
except for Jim, who was,
poor Jim,

1344
01:05:33,363 --> 01:05:35,697
who had his patience
tested greatly.

1345
01:05:35,798 --> 01:05:37,832
He lived a different
life than us.

1346
01:05:37,934 --> 01:05:39,768
We'd pull into a town,
Jim would get up

1347
01:05:39,869 --> 01:05:41,603
and go for a jog in the morning.

1348
01:05:41,704 --> 01:05:42,971
You know, he's going to
take care of himself,

1349
01:05:43,072 --> 01:05:45,507
he's going to exercise
every morning,

1350
01:05:45,608 --> 01:05:48,910
and we're just taking it day
by day on the road.

1351
01:05:49,913 --> 01:05:52,514
He expected us to be doing
more at the farm.

1352
01:05:52,615 --> 01:05:54,816
I remember him saying, "What
if you worked a day job?

1353
01:05:54,917 --> 01:05:58,320
Like you'd have to put in a
solid eight hours, you know?"

1354
01:05:58,421 --> 01:05:59,554
I remember Glenn just saying,

1355
01:05:59,655 --> 01:06:03,525
"That's why I don't work a day
job, that's why I do this."

1356
01:06:04,461 --> 01:06:05,994
And we were working at
a tremendous rate,

1357
01:06:06,095 --> 01:06:07,562
we really were.

1358
01:06:07,663 --> 01:06:08,897
But we'd all go out
and smoke a joint.

1359
01:06:08,998 --> 01:06:12,934
He'd go, "Can we take
a music break now?"

1360
01:06:13,036 --> 01:06:15,070
Okay, Jim.

1361
01:06:16,006 --> 01:06:17,839
It was not the best
environment for Jim.

1362
01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:20,608
There was a wood burning
stove that was leaking smoke

1363
01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:22,911
all the time. So for me,
just physically,

1364
01:06:23,012 --> 01:06:26,147
it was an incredibly difficult
atmosphere to be in.

1365
01:06:26,249 --> 01:06:28,984
I mean, if you ever listen to
the tapes of that record,

1366
01:06:29,085 --> 01:06:33,221
there's, you hear the song,
and then it stops,

1367
01:06:33,322 --> 01:06:35,390
and then I go,

1368
01:06:35,491 --> 01:06:36,791
and I'm coughing like crazy.

1369
01:06:36,893 --> 01:06:39,894
I could not thrive
in that setting.

1370
01:06:41,098 --> 01:06:42,797
Just around the time that
the bed tracks were done,

1371
01:06:42,899 --> 01:06:47,602
I fell from the loft. And I was
in rough shape.

1372
01:06:48,605 --> 01:06:50,672
That was when we found out
Greg was diabetic.

1373
01:06:50,773 --> 01:06:53,141
He fell, cracked a rib,
went to the doctor,

1374
01:06:53,242 --> 01:06:56,611
and they said, "You should be in
a diabetic coma right now."

1375
01:06:57,814 --> 01:07:01,349
I'd probably been a diabetic
for a large part of my life,

1376
01:07:01,451 --> 01:07:03,051
but I never got my blood test,

1377
01:07:03,152 --> 01:07:05,553
I didn't trust doctors
at the time.

1378
01:07:06,690 --> 01:07:10,058
So poor Jim had to come out
and do all his vocals

1379
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:14,029
at my place while I'm
upstairs in bed,

1380
01:07:14,130 --> 01:07:15,063
moaning in pain.

1381
01:07:15,432 --> 01:07:17,632
Yeah.

1382
01:07:18,735 --> 01:07:20,001
We made some of that record
with him up in his bed,

1383
01:07:20,103 --> 01:07:21,403
and he'd all the sudden
he'd bang on the floor

1384
01:07:21,504 --> 01:07:22,470
for us to be quiet.

1385
01:07:22,572 --> 01:07:27,275
And yeah, it was, it was so
crazy dysfunctional

1386
01:07:27,376 --> 01:07:28,343
at that point.

1387
01:07:28,444 --> 01:07:30,712
And I could sense
the frustration in Jim

1388
01:07:30,813 --> 01:07:34,349
where he was just like,
"I can't do this anymore."

1389
01:07:34,450 --> 01:07:35,850
I'm an accomplishment
oriented guy,

1390
01:07:35,952 --> 01:07:37,052
so I wanted to finish
the record,

1391
01:07:37,153 --> 01:07:38,553
and I wanted to get
my songs on there,

1392
01:07:38,654 --> 01:07:41,122
and I wanted to help Greg
as much as I could,

1393
01:07:41,224 --> 01:07:44,025
but I didn't like the
direction of the band.

1394
01:07:45,228 --> 01:07:48,696
Greg used to be the guy who
always had incense burning,

1395
01:07:48,798 --> 01:07:51,800
always had candles burning.
Lots of them!

1396
01:07:51,901 --> 01:07:54,936
One night at the farm, he
had all these candles lit

1397
01:07:55,037 --> 01:07:58,339
and everything,
and he fell asleep,

1398
01:07:58,441 --> 01:07:59,240
and they caught fire.

1399
01:07:59,342 --> 01:08:01,709
And he woke up and
his bed was on fire.

1400
01:08:01,811 --> 01:08:04,879
That's how he woke up
to a flaming bed.

1401
01:08:04,981 --> 01:08:07,082
So he wrote a song about it.

1402
01:08:07,684 --> 01:08:13,254
♪ Last night I woke up ♪

1403
01:08:14,224 --> 01:08:19,194
♪ In a flaming bed ♪

1404
01:08:20,297 --> 01:08:22,063
It's not a record that's fondly
remembered by Jim,

1405
01:08:22,165 --> 01:08:22,964
that's for sure.

1406
01:08:24,034 --> 01:08:28,636
When you have two people
leading a band creatively,

1407
01:08:28,738 --> 01:08:31,906
there are times when I feel like
I'm doing the leading

1408
01:08:32,008 --> 01:08:33,475
and there's times when
he's leading,

1409
01:08:33,576 --> 01:08:35,610
and so I think that,
that was just one

1410
01:08:35,711 --> 01:08:38,046
where I was just along
for the ride.

1411
01:08:39,249 --> 01:08:40,782
I think they were kind of
pulling in different directions.

1412
01:08:40,883 --> 01:08:43,284
But I also think they had
just reached a point

1413
01:08:43,386 --> 01:08:46,688
in their relationship where
a reckoning was required.

1414
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:48,189
I mean, I think that's
the first time we had

1415
01:08:48,291 --> 01:08:51,860
very divergent ideas about
how to make the record.

1416
01:08:51,961 --> 01:08:58,800
♪ And your eyes,
they were in my mind ♪

1417
01:08:58,901 --> 01:09:04,539
♪ And I just want to
hold on to you ♪

1418
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:11,379
♪ Yeah, your eyes,
they were in my mind ♪

1419
01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:16,985
♪ And I just wanna
hold on to you ♪

1420
01:09:17,086 --> 01:09:19,053
♪♪♪

1421
01:09:19,155 --> 01:09:21,789
I think the first big crisis
was when Greg left

1422
01:09:21,891 --> 01:09:24,826
to go do a solo record without
sort of telling us

1423
01:09:24,927 --> 01:09:27,562
what he was doing,
and there was no surety

1424
01:09:27,663 --> 01:09:29,364
that he was coming back.

1425
01:09:30,233 --> 01:09:32,934
"Gone" represents
something for Jim

1426
01:09:33,035 --> 01:09:36,738
because all of a sudden
his partner

1427
01:09:36,839 --> 01:09:39,774
was doing something
on their own.

1428
01:09:39,875 --> 01:09:40,875
I thought he was gone.

1429
01:09:40,977 --> 01:09:43,344
I didn't think he was coming
back, but I wasn't sure.

1430
01:09:43,446 --> 01:09:46,781
I didn't really talk to them
too much about it

1431
01:09:46,882 --> 01:09:48,316
because I was sort of driven.

1432
01:09:48,417 --> 01:09:50,385
So he was quite comfortable
being somewhat mysterious

1433
01:09:50,486 --> 01:09:54,455
and leaving Jim to guess, which
I think Jim likes to know

1434
01:09:54,557 --> 01:09:55,557
where things are going,

1435
01:09:55,658 --> 01:09:57,959
so it might have been a little
challenging for him.

1436
01:09:58,828 --> 01:10:00,895
That was less challenging
in my mind

1437
01:10:00,997 --> 01:10:05,166
because it doesn't surprise me
that artistic people

1438
01:10:05,268 --> 01:10:07,101
want to make art
in a different way.

1439
01:10:07,203 --> 01:10:09,170
Greg needed to do
something for Greg,

1440
01:10:09,272 --> 01:10:10,972
but it's always unsettling
when someone starts

1441
01:10:11,073 --> 01:10:15,009
exploring something
outside of the unit.

1442
01:10:16,146 --> 01:10:17,078
Well, I get the impression from
that listening to music,

1443
01:10:17,179 --> 01:10:19,113
and doing some of the reading
on you guys

1444
01:10:19,215 --> 01:10:21,983
that that there may have been
some conflicts in style,

1445
01:10:22,084 --> 01:10:23,952
and, but it sounds
like a lot of that

1446
01:10:24,053 --> 01:10:26,854
might have been relieved by
having the chance to go solo,

1447
01:10:26,956 --> 01:10:28,723
where you could do exactly
what you wanted to do,

1448
01:10:28,824 --> 01:10:30,625
and you could do exactly
what you wanted to do.

1449
01:10:30,726 --> 01:10:31,893
And now you can come back
to Blue Rodeo

1450
01:10:31,994 --> 01:10:35,029
and it's, you're happy to,
to blend again.

1451
01:10:36,066 --> 01:10:37,665
Everything we've gotten
out of music has been,

1452
01:10:37,767 --> 01:10:39,567
you know, like Siamese twins.

1453
01:10:40,803 --> 01:10:42,503
But certainly a band
is like a family.

1454
01:10:42,605 --> 01:10:43,638
Yeah.

1455
01:10:43,739 --> 01:10:45,006
And you really, you spend every
minute with your family.

1456
01:10:45,107 --> 01:10:46,441
You tell me what that's like.

1457
01:10:47,377 --> 01:10:49,611
And in hindsight,
it was the best thing

1458
01:10:49,712 --> 01:10:51,913
that I think they
could have done.

1459
01:10:52,014 --> 01:10:53,214
So, I think, I think
"Nowhere to Here"

1460
01:10:53,316 --> 01:10:55,049
was a bit of a catalyst
for that.

1461
01:10:55,151 --> 01:10:57,218
Has the band ever had an
existential crisis?

1462
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:58,786
Oh God, sure.

1463
01:10:59,889 --> 01:11:00,521
Oh that's, that's pretty...
- You're looking at him.

1464
01:11:11,368 --> 01:11:13,067
There's been a few
events in my life

1465
01:11:13,169 --> 01:11:15,503
that I thought I had
hit the wall,

1466
01:11:15,604 --> 01:11:18,640
and like, I just couldn't do
what I was doing anymore.

1467
01:11:18,741 --> 01:11:22,810
And when you hit those walls,
it really feels like the end.

1468
01:11:23,813 --> 01:11:28,650
Greg developed tinnitus,
and it is distracting

1469
01:11:28,751 --> 01:11:30,318
because you have this sound.

1470
01:11:30,419 --> 01:11:33,921
But also he developed some
other hearing challenges,

1471
01:11:34,023 --> 01:11:35,990
which were painful.

1472
01:11:36,092 --> 01:11:38,092
The migraines were so bad.

1473
01:11:38,194 --> 01:11:40,928
I couldn't go anywhere
without ear plugs in.

1474
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:45,033
All those things I sort of loved
to do was all taken away.

1475
01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:48,536
And it got to, I thought I was
gonna do living room parties

1476
01:11:48,637 --> 01:11:51,639
for people, but they weren't
allowed to applaud.

1477
01:11:51,741 --> 01:11:53,041
It would just...

1478
01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:56,010
I'd play a song,
"Don't! It hurt my ears."

1479
01:11:56,980 --> 01:11:59,047
Greg was only doing
a few songs per show.

1480
01:11:59,148 --> 01:12:01,282
He'd come out and do
the shows acoustically.

1481
01:12:01,384 --> 01:12:03,885
Being on stage, the sound
would, it would,

1482
01:12:03,986 --> 01:12:05,153
like, literally torture him.

1483
01:12:05,254 --> 01:12:08,356
He reached a point where he's
like, "I can't do this anymore."

1484
01:12:09,326 --> 01:12:11,893
I thought that that part
of my life was over.

1485
01:12:11,994 --> 01:12:15,963
How I viewed the band
around that time

1486
01:12:16,065 --> 01:12:19,734
when Greg's hearing challenges
became something

1487
01:12:19,835 --> 01:12:24,772
we had to deal with
was more of a, okay,

1488
01:12:24,874 --> 01:12:26,007
what are we going to do?

1489
01:12:26,108 --> 01:12:27,842
How are we going to do this?

1490
01:12:27,943 --> 01:12:31,846
Number one, we have to rally
around and support Greg,

1491
01:12:31,947 --> 01:12:35,183
and then what do we do to
change things on stage

1492
01:12:35,284 --> 01:12:37,552
so that we can continue to play?

1493
01:12:38,421 --> 01:12:40,388
We tore everything
off the stage,

1494
01:12:40,489 --> 01:12:42,957
and figured out how to put
our amps and isocabs

1495
01:12:43,058 --> 01:12:46,194
off the stage. Glenn
behind plexiglass,

1496
01:12:46,295 --> 01:12:49,630
Bazil on a vibrating pad
so his volume can be low.

1497
01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:51,165
Just looked like a normal setup.

1498
01:12:51,267 --> 01:12:52,400
There's no sound on our stage.

1499
01:12:52,501 --> 01:12:55,603
You can, we could talk like this
in the middle of a rock song

1500
01:12:55,704 --> 01:12:58,406
because everything's being
channeled out to the board.

1501
01:12:58,507 --> 01:13:02,510
And of course, it allowed Greg
to survive on stage.

1502
01:13:03,380 --> 01:13:05,780
It was a big adjustment
for everybody.

1503
01:13:05,881 --> 01:13:09,016
The only one that has any sound
on stage is Greg.

1504
01:13:09,118 --> 01:13:13,054
Greg has an amp because
he can't wear headphones.

1505
01:13:13,155 --> 01:13:16,257
So it's a little bit ironic, but
that's the way it works.

1506
01:13:17,394 --> 01:13:19,894
Greg was like, "I'm just going
to switch exclusively

1507
01:13:19,995 --> 01:13:21,496
to acoustic, and I want
someone else to,

1508
01:13:21,597 --> 01:13:25,433
to play electric guitar," and
Colin was the obvious choice

1509
01:13:25,534 --> 01:13:28,236
because both Jim and Greg
already kind of love Colin,

1510
01:13:28,337 --> 01:13:30,938
and he just, he just
fit right in.

1511
01:13:32,041 --> 01:13:34,041
You know, we had this long
relationship as friends,

1512
01:13:34,143 --> 01:13:37,612
and that combined with the work
that we'd done together,

1513
01:13:37,713 --> 01:13:39,247
it was a comfortable situation.

1514
01:13:39,348 --> 01:13:42,150
So they asked if I wanted
to come in and help out.

1515
01:13:42,251 --> 01:13:44,619
I said, "Of course," you know.

1516
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,522
And so he switched entirely
to acoustic guitar,

1517
01:13:47,623 --> 01:13:50,925
and then I took all the
electric guitar roles.

1518
01:13:51,628 --> 01:13:52,427
Colin's a great player.

1519
01:13:52,528 --> 01:13:53,394
And now we have
Jimmy Bowskill too,

1520
01:13:53,496 --> 01:13:55,563
so like, we have an
embarrassment of riches

1521
01:13:55,664 --> 01:13:56,631
in the guitar department.

1522
01:13:56,732 --> 01:14:06,841
♪♪♪

1523
01:14:06,942 --> 01:14:12,180
♪♪♪

1524
01:14:12,281 --> 01:14:13,247
It was pretty
natural, man.

1525
01:14:13,349 --> 01:14:17,285
I mean, they're just such
a great bunch of dudes,

1526
01:14:17,386 --> 01:14:19,787
so it was good vibes
right from the start.

1527
01:14:19,889 --> 01:14:30,031
♪♪♪

1528
01:14:30,132 --> 01:14:37,572
♪♪♪

1529
01:14:37,673 --> 01:14:39,373
And then, but at
the end of the tour,

1530
01:14:39,475 --> 01:14:42,777
we all found out that he
was suffering again,

1531
01:14:42,878 --> 01:14:45,780
headaches again,
and I kind of felt like,

1532
01:14:45,881 --> 01:14:48,082
well, we've kind of failed him.

1533
01:14:49,285 --> 01:14:52,687
Over the years, it just got
worse, and worse, and worse.

1534
01:14:52,788 --> 01:14:55,523
The world that I
had inhabited,

1535
01:14:55,624 --> 01:14:58,092
the life that I had lived,

1536
01:14:58,193 --> 01:14:59,393
I couldn't do it anymore.

1537
01:15:00,330 --> 01:15:03,931
Greg was anxious about
injuring himself,

1538
01:15:04,033 --> 01:15:08,069
and he called Jim and said,

1539
01:15:08,170 --> 01:15:10,605
"You know, I can't do this
anymore. It's too difficult."

1540
01:15:10,974 --> 01:15:13,674
♪♪♪

1541
01:15:13,776 --> 01:15:18,012
The phone call in 2016
to Jim, when I said I quit,

1542
01:15:18,113 --> 01:15:21,716
I was just sort of
mildly hysterical,

1543
01:15:21,817 --> 01:15:24,619
and I was crying a lot.

1544
01:15:25,555 --> 01:15:28,389
I was just saying,
"I can't do it anymore."

1545
01:15:29,425 --> 01:15:33,794
So we hung up and,
and I thought that was it.

1546
01:15:33,896 --> 01:15:37,899
♪♪♪

1547
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,601
I was at home, I called
Rena from the kitchen.

1548
01:15:40,703 --> 01:15:41,602
I said, "Greg just quit."

1549
01:15:42,705 --> 01:15:45,873
There was always that
undercurrent of possibility.

1550
01:15:45,975 --> 01:15:50,444
So when it happened,
he was ashen.

1551
01:15:50,546 --> 01:15:52,613
Like, everything just
dropped out of him.

1552
01:15:53,883 --> 01:15:55,316
I think, I mean, I was shocked,

1553
01:15:55,417 --> 01:15:57,151
but I was also, I was wounded.

1554
01:15:57,252 --> 01:16:01,088
I was wounded that he quit
over the phone to me,

1555
01:16:01,190 --> 01:16:03,391
but I was also kind
of tired of it.

1556
01:16:03,492 --> 01:16:05,293
I was, I was tired,
tired of the drama.

1557
01:16:05,394 --> 01:16:08,062
You know, tired of
all the fighting,

1558
01:16:08,163 --> 01:16:09,597
and then, and the uncertainty.

1559
01:16:10,667 --> 01:16:12,133
It was devastating. I mean,
this is a, you know,

1560
01:16:12,234 --> 01:16:14,735
you're not just creative
partners, they're friends.

1561
01:16:14,837 --> 01:16:17,572
You love your friend. This is
like you're losing a lover.

1562
01:16:17,673 --> 01:16:20,641
If someone's quitting, it's hard
not to feel rejected.

1563
01:16:21,611 --> 01:16:22,843
It was like everything
had been pulled out

1564
01:16:22,945 --> 01:16:23,811
from underneath him.

1565
01:16:23,912 --> 01:16:26,380
He had worked so hard
to make this happen,

1566
01:16:26,482 --> 01:16:29,884
he had really reinvested
for it to happen.

1567
01:16:29,985 --> 01:16:34,021
And he was really devastated.

1568
01:16:34,958 --> 01:16:36,991
You've been here before
a couple of times,

1569
01:16:37,092 --> 01:16:39,393
why is this one hitting
you so hard?

1570
01:16:40,530 --> 01:16:41,462
There are many reasons
for either one of them

1571
01:16:41,563 --> 01:16:42,530
to be sad about the
partnership dissolving,

1572
01:16:42,631 --> 01:16:45,866
but I think at its heart,
it was toughest for him

1573
01:16:45,968 --> 01:16:47,935
to be losing a friend that way.

1574
01:16:48,037 --> 01:16:49,604
Well, if your high school buddy,

1575
01:16:49,705 --> 01:16:51,505
that you have been literally
through thick and thin,

1576
01:16:51,607 --> 01:16:54,709
through the wars, through
everything together,

1577
01:16:54,810 --> 01:16:58,079
is telling you he doesn't want
to play anymore,

1578
01:16:58,180 --> 01:16:59,547
it's pretty devastating.

1579
01:17:00,750 --> 01:17:01,949
You know, I thought,
okay, well, if this is the way

1580
01:17:02,051 --> 01:17:03,117
it's going to be, all right.

1581
01:17:03,218 --> 01:17:05,252
I have a good solo career,
and I'll just keep going,

1582
01:17:05,354 --> 01:17:07,188
and that'll be the way it is.

1583
01:17:08,157 --> 01:17:10,324
And because I'm okay
with change, I'm like,

1584
01:17:10,426 --> 01:17:11,792
"That's great, that's fine.

1585
01:17:11,894 --> 01:17:14,195
You know, you got your
own solo career.

1586
01:17:14,296 --> 01:17:16,497
That's what he wants.
It's okay."

1587
01:17:16,598 --> 01:17:23,537
♪♪♪

1588
01:17:23,639 --> 01:17:26,707
Greg's such a consummate
professional

1589
01:17:26,809 --> 01:17:31,379
that he said, "I will meet all
of our existing obligations."

1590
01:17:32,382 --> 01:17:34,281
He agreed to stay through
the summer shows.

1591
01:17:34,383 --> 01:17:35,282
And then one thing was added,

1592
01:17:35,384 --> 01:17:36,350
another thing was added,
another thing's added.

1593
01:17:36,452 --> 01:17:40,488
But we get to Vancouver,
and we're playing a show,

1594
01:17:40,589 --> 01:17:42,757
and Greg says to me, "We should
make another record,"

1595
01:17:42,858 --> 01:17:44,992
and I'm like, "What?"

1596
01:17:45,094 --> 01:17:48,396
I didn't think we were
a band anymore.

1597
01:17:48,497 --> 01:17:53,000
And so, whatever made Greg
need to quit at one point

1598
01:17:53,102 --> 01:17:56,937
was no longer circumstance
for him then,

1599
01:17:57,039 --> 01:18:00,341
so it seemed like we carried on.

1600
01:18:00,442 --> 01:18:01,909
I don't know that there
was a definitive time

1601
01:18:02,010 --> 01:18:05,780
where we said, is this, are we
still a band or are we not?

1602
01:18:05,881 --> 01:18:08,449
I think, like, too many bands
break up not realizing

1603
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:11,052
that like, hey, just give each
other some space.

1604
01:18:11,153 --> 01:18:14,021
Go write a solo album,
go, go meditate.

1605
01:18:14,123 --> 01:18:15,623
You know, you'd be surprised
in six months

1606
01:18:15,724 --> 01:18:18,059
how people's perspectives
can change.

1607
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:25,800
♪♪♪

1608
01:18:26,402 --> 01:18:28,335
♪♪♪

1609
01:18:28,437 --> 01:18:30,638
When I quit the band, I
think everybody was a little,

1610
01:18:30,739 --> 01:18:34,475
"Oh my god," and that
seemed like a setback.

1611
01:18:34,576 --> 01:18:36,577
I think Greg came back
because he missed it.

1612
01:18:36,678 --> 01:18:38,813
He missed Blue Rodeo.

1613
01:18:38,914 --> 01:18:41,816
I think it was hard for him
to think of a, a life

1614
01:18:41,917 --> 01:18:43,684
without that available to him.

1615
01:18:43,786 --> 01:18:47,221
I think he loves Jim; I think he
loves what they do together.

1616
01:18:47,322 --> 01:18:49,557
You'd be giving up so
much to give that up,

1617
01:18:49,658 --> 01:18:53,127
and I think he still loves
to create with Jim.

1618
01:18:53,996 --> 01:18:56,263
It took a while to do
the adjustment,

1619
01:18:56,365 --> 01:18:59,266
but once the adjustment
was made,

1620
01:18:59,368 --> 01:19:02,136
the band has been
playing fantastic.

1621
01:19:02,237 --> 01:19:04,538
The band has never
been better.

1622
01:19:06,074 --> 01:19:09,877
♪ Just trying to remember ♪

1623
01:19:09,978 --> 01:19:13,280
♪ The better times ♪

1624
01:19:13,382 --> 01:19:16,851
♪ Back when you were ♪

1625
01:19:16,952 --> 01:19:21,689
♪ Wild ♪

1626
01:19:21,790 --> 01:19:22,757
♪♪♪

1627
01:19:22,858 --> 01:19:24,692
♪ Back when you were ♪

1628
01:19:24,793 --> 01:19:30,231
♪ Wild ♪

1629
01:19:30,332 --> 01:19:32,433
♪ Back when you were ♪

1630
01:19:32,534 --> 01:19:37,438
♪ Wild ♪

1631
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:39,840
♪ Back when you were ♪

1632
01:19:39,942 --> 01:19:44,645
♪ Wild ♪

1633
01:19:44,746 --> 01:19:54,688
♪♪♪

1634
01:19:54,790 --> 01:20:04,765
♪♪♪

1635
01:20:04,767 --> 01:20:14,742
♪♪♪

1636
01:20:14,843 --> 01:20:22,683
♪♪♪

1637
01:20:34,196 --> 01:20:37,131
♪ 'Til I am myself ♪

1638
01:20:37,232 --> 01:20:40,067
♪ 'Til I am myself again ♪

1639
01:20:40,168 --> 01:20:41,335
And here we go, we're going in.

1640
01:20:43,639 --> 01:20:45,039
Yeah!

1641
01:20:55,951 --> 01:20:56,917
Have fun!

1642
01:20:57,019 --> 01:20:57,451
Thanks!

1643
01:20:57,552 --> 01:20:58,385
Bye, Jim! Good luck!

1644
01:20:58,487 --> 01:20:59,353
Thank you, Stella!

1645
01:20:59,454 --> 01:21:00,554
Not that you need it!

1646
01:21:00,656 --> 01:21:02,089
Stella!

1647
01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:03,157
Jim!

1648
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:26,280
Wish us luck.

1649
01:21:29,252 --> 01:21:34,889
Blue Rodeo's legacy is ongoing.

1650
01:21:35,524 --> 01:21:36,557
It's still being written.

1651
01:21:36,658 --> 01:21:41,629
This band is defying the odds
in a lot of ways.

1652
01:21:41,730 --> 01:21:44,531
We're playing to more people,

1653
01:21:44,633 --> 01:21:46,800
we're playing larger venues.

1654
01:21:46,902 --> 01:21:51,071
They just leave it all on the
stage every night.

1655
01:21:51,173 --> 01:21:54,675
And so audiences feel that
if they stay connected

1656
01:21:54,776 --> 01:21:58,345
to that through joy and sorrow.

1657
01:21:59,415 --> 01:22:02,917
I think that they are one
of the greatest groups

1658
01:22:03,018 --> 01:22:06,954
to ever come out of Canada.
I love them.

1659
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:08,689
So when I think about
Blue Rodeo,

1660
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:10,591
I think that in some ways
they are really

1661
01:22:10,692 --> 01:22:14,128
Canada's band, right, because
they're a little ragged,

1662
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:16,330
they're very real and authentic.

1663
01:22:16,431 --> 01:22:19,300
They're definitely cheeky.
They're just like us.

1664
01:22:19,401 --> 01:22:21,669
Blue Rodeo was a big
chunk of that

1665
01:22:21,770 --> 01:22:24,371
for the Canadian industry
to believe in itself.

1666
01:22:24,473 --> 01:22:27,474
And Blue Rodeo showed
that other model,

1667
01:22:27,576 --> 01:22:29,677
which is, you know, just work
your ass off in Canada

1668
01:22:29,778 --> 01:22:32,446
and you can have a great life
as a musician.

1669
01:22:33,516 --> 01:22:34,982
We love them. Like they're
a part of our family.

1670
01:22:35,083 --> 01:22:39,620
And in fact, our families have
grown up with Blue Rodeo.

1671
01:22:40,556 --> 01:22:45,125
There is a real affection
for this band.

1672
01:22:45,227 --> 01:22:48,028
Blue Rodeo is certainly the
soundtrack to my life.

1673
01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:49,330
That sense of community,
I think,

1674
01:22:49,431 --> 01:22:52,633
is not only what binds them
to be collegial

1675
01:22:52,734 --> 01:22:54,501
with other Canadian artists,

1676
01:22:54,603 --> 01:22:56,737
but also with the fans
themselves.

1677
01:22:57,707 --> 01:23:00,207
Canadian fans are very loyal
to their bands.

1678
01:23:00,308 --> 01:23:02,309
They stay loyal and want
them to do well.

1679
01:23:02,411 --> 01:23:05,713
You work hard for them, they
repay that with their loyalty.

1680
01:23:05,814 --> 01:23:07,848
There's a lot of love
in the band.

1681
01:23:07,949 --> 01:23:10,451
And when we're playing,
you know,

1682
01:23:10,552 --> 01:23:12,353
the first couple of songs
every night,

1683
01:23:12,454 --> 01:23:14,488
I feel this sort of
wave of love,

1684
01:23:14,589 --> 01:23:20,194
and a large part of that
energy is the reflection

1685
01:23:20,295 --> 01:23:22,029
of the audience.

1686
01:23:22,130 --> 01:23:25,833
The other thing that is
really special for me

1687
01:23:25,934 --> 01:23:27,701
kind of happens at
every show now.

1688
01:23:27,803 --> 01:23:30,337
I think there was a period
in the band

1689
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:31,905
where I kind of took
it for granted.

1690
01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:33,540
You know, when we were
touring a lot,

1691
01:23:33,642 --> 01:23:36,510
and it was it was
kind of wearing

1692
01:23:36,611 --> 01:23:39,413
and, you know, we get on
each other's nerves.

1693
01:23:39,514 --> 01:23:42,149
And Bazil and I would
just walk off stage

1694
01:23:42,250 --> 01:23:45,819
and bitch for like an hour,
you know?

1695
01:23:45,921 --> 01:23:47,454
You know, which
is not something

1696
01:23:47,556 --> 01:23:48,455
I look back on proudly,

1697
01:23:48,557 --> 01:23:49,690
but I, you know, I just think
it was something

1698
01:23:49,791 --> 01:23:50,824
we had to go through.

1699
01:23:51,961 --> 01:23:53,961
Blue Rodeo is the type of band
that we can have tension

1700
01:23:54,062 --> 01:23:56,530
and that, but we get
over it quickly

1701
01:23:56,631 --> 01:23:57,765
because at the end of the day,

1702
01:23:57,866 --> 01:24:01,035
we knew that there was all this
love too, we were brothers.

1703
01:24:01,971 --> 01:24:03,370
But I don't think there's
ever been a time

1704
01:24:03,472 --> 01:24:06,173
when I didn't want to be
Greg Keelor's partner.

1705
01:24:06,274 --> 01:24:09,510
And I think that we had this
kind of perfect partnership.

1706
01:24:09,611 --> 01:24:12,046
I don't imagine he feels
the same about me,

1707
01:24:12,147 --> 01:24:15,482
but that's just the way
I feel about him.

1708
01:24:15,584 --> 01:24:18,085
Jim is one of the great
inspirations of my life.

1709
01:24:18,186 --> 01:24:19,520
He's just one of
the inspirations

1710
01:24:19,621 --> 01:24:21,588
of why I picked up guitar.

1711
01:24:22,391 --> 01:24:24,825
Look at all that's
happened to us.

1712
01:24:24,926 --> 01:24:30,130
When I think back on Greg and I
starting this life together

1713
01:24:30,232 --> 01:24:32,966
and, and how many good things
have happened to us,

1714
01:24:33,068 --> 01:24:34,134
that was our life.

1715
01:24:34,236 --> 01:24:37,838
I think even doing this,
going over everything,

1716
01:24:37,939 --> 01:24:39,873
I realize how fortunate
we've been.

1717
01:24:41,444 --> 01:24:43,710
As you get older and you
start to appreciate

1718
01:24:43,812 --> 01:24:46,814
what a rare opportunity it
is to make your living

1719
01:24:46,915 --> 01:24:49,917
playing in a band, I think that
you, your gratitude,

1720
01:24:50,018 --> 01:24:52,953
you know, fuels your
will to stay.

1721
01:24:53,923 --> 01:24:59,726
So now, after 32 years,
when I play a show,

1722
01:24:59,828 --> 01:25:02,162
now I sort of just feel like,
I can't believe this

1723
01:25:02,264 --> 01:25:03,497
is still happening.

1724
01:25:03,598 --> 01:25:06,433
Like, I can't believe
how lucky we are,

1725
01:25:06,535 --> 01:25:09,403
I can't believe how lucky I am.

1726
01:25:09,504 --> 01:25:11,572
I can't believe that...

1727
01:25:13,943 --> 01:25:19,613
You know, there's still
people up there,

1728
01:25:20,449 --> 01:25:22,249
singing along, you know?

1729
01:25:22,818 --> 01:25:23,951
And...

1730
01:25:25,087 --> 01:25:28,489
Obviously, I'm getting emotional
talking about it now.

1731
01:25:29,725 --> 01:25:35,229
So, you know, I feel
really grateful.

1732
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:42,603
♪♪♪

1733
01:25:42,704 --> 01:25:47,808
♪ Strange and beautiful
are the stars tonight ♪

1734
01:25:49,712 --> 01:25:53,213
♪ That dance around your head ♪

1735
01:25:55,885 --> 01:26:01,221
♪ And in your eyes,
I see that perfect world ♪

1736
01:26:02,658 --> 01:26:06,960
♪ I hope that doesn't
sound too weird ♪

1737
01:26:09,932 --> 01:26:14,501
♪ And I want all world to know ♪

1738
01:26:16,605 --> 01:26:20,040
♪ That your love is all I need ♪

1739
01:26:20,609 --> 01:26:26,213
♪ All that I need ♪

1740
01:26:27,283 --> 01:26:31,385
♪ And if we're lost ♪

1741
01:26:31,486 --> 01:26:33,854
♪♪♪

1742
01:26:33,955 --> 01:26:36,924
♪ Then we are lost together ♪

1743
01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:40,861
♪♪♪

1744
01:26:40,962 --> 01:26:45,566
♪ Yeah, and if we're lost ♪

1745
01:26:45,667 --> 01:26:47,701
♪♪♪

1746
01:26:47,802 --> 01:26:51,238
♪ Then we are lost together ♪

1747
01:26:51,339 --> 01:26:56,476
♪ Together, together ♪

1748
01:26:56,578 --> 01:27:06,687
♪♪♪

1749
01:27:06,788 --> 01:27:16,763
♪♪♪

1750
01:27:16,765 --> 01:27:24,805
♪♪♪

1751
01:27:26,642 --> 01:27:30,611
No, that was good, all good.
Congratulations.

1752
01:27:30,712 --> 01:27:32,045
Okay, sweet. Thank you, Dale.

1753
01:27:34,583 --> 01:27:36,583
I think we said enough.

1754
01:27:36,685 --> 01:27:37,951
Jim's said enough.

1755
01:27:50,065 --> 01:27:51,064
Okay, we can
cut that, please?