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It is my pleasure and privilege
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at this very, very solemn moment
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to introduce a young man and his wife,
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who saw fit
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to put down in music
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and lyrics
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so that it will never be
forgotten in our country
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by anyone...
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the tragedy of Attica State.
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There is no more that I can say,
ladies and gentlemen,
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I would like to introduce to you,
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John and Yoko Lennon.
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One, two, three, four.
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You have to understand
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where the "Mike Douglas Show"
sat in culture in 1972.
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It was the most popular show
in daytime television,
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seen by about 40 million people a week.
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Quite often 60%
of the audience in New York
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was watching the "Mike Douglas Show."
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The booking of John and Yoko
was a really unusual story,
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because we were both told
that they had contacted us
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and we contacted them.
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We heard that on February 4th,
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just 10 days before these
shows were about to air,
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Senator Strom Thurmond
went to John Mitchell
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and wanted to warn
the Nixon administration
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that John and Yoko
were about to take sides.
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When President Nixon leaves
for Peking on Thursday
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he will travel on his specially equipped
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Boeing 707 Air Force One.
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The
government of the People's.
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Republic of China
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and the government of the United States
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can have differences
without being enemies in war.
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Attorney
John Mitchell resigned today
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to run the Presidents campaign
for reelection.
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A Federal court order
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which calls for large scale busing
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went into effect today
in Augusta, Georgia.
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Although
there were several false
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bomb threats yesterday,
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no incidents were reported today.
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George Wallace
appears no longer worried
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that he might need to soft pedal busing
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for fear it would conjure up
the old one issue image.
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Well, I happen to believe
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that the death penalty is a deterrent
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and I think the majority of people
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believe the same thing.
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REPORTER". Everybody
knows that food prices are going up.
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The question is how much
will consumers stand for
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in this election year.
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The Nixon administration announced
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that American ground troops in Vietnam
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would no longer be used
offensively in combat,
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but they would fight only on the defense.
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We're here to fight dinks
and that's why we're here.
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We're gonna go out and fight them.
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Attack bombers
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bristling with their deadly cargo
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are screaming skyward
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from the deck of the aircraft
carrier, Constellation.
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You read in the newspaper
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that the war is over.
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I don't know if it's Congress, Senate,
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but the war is not over.
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We'll be right back.
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The idea of John Lennon
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being a mediator.
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Yeah, that's
sort of funny, isn't it?
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Okay. B's rolling only.
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Why don't you go up to Wes.
What lens do you have now?
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28 to 135.
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Marker. Marker.
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Marker.
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This is funny. I haven't
seen this whole thing
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in all these years.
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How on earth
did you get on this?
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Out of the blue, uh, one day.
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I-I'm in my apartment, in New York City,
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and I get a phone call,
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and I answer it and it said,
"Hello, this is Yoko."
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And Yoko's a Japanese name,
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so I said, Yoko who?
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And of course I thought it was a scam.
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I thought it couldn't be real.
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But, um, I called this person back.
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And much to my amazement,
it really was Yoko Ono.
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George Carlin has a question.
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I was going to ask whether
or not biofeedback
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could help you remember the
question you were going to ask.
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Some food isn't even
food, it's just all chemicals.
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The voice said "Hi, this is John and Yoko."
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And I'm thinking, "Okay,
this is a prank phone call,
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but I'll listen."
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John, rock and roll, rock and roll.
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There you go. Into the cabbage!
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Yoko said we're doing
this show on Mike Douglas,
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you know, this a... afternoon show
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and we're bringing on people
like in the movement
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to talk about the movement.
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And on the show
that we're having you on,
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we're having Bobby Seale
and Jerry Rubin.
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And I'm like, what?
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We're Mike's co-hosts this week
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and with us on today's show
will be my hero,
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Chuck Berry.
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David Rosenboom.
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As I recall,
they did have an agenda
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and they did discuss
the agenda, uh, with me
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and the agenda had to do
with making the world better.
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The booking
was terrific for the show
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because it got us great ratings,
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but it also fit their agenda
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which was to get their message
to middle America.
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Here is Ralph Nader.
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Okay.
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Running for president?
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No.
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Well, the Mike Douglas week
of shows was memorable
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in a 50-year span.
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It was memorable because
it couldn't happen today
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on network or cable,
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daytime television shows.
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But it was also memorable then.
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It was a real breakthrough then.
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Ooh. Look at that dress! Hmm.
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And we not gonna talk about that hair.
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When I got to the studio,
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I got a glimpse of John Lennon
and Yoko Ono.
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I said, "Oh, my goodness.
This is exciting!"
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Hanoi charged that American jets today
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bombed and strafed populated
areas of North Vietnam.
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It happened
on a Sunday morning.
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They said about 9:35 a.m.,
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planes dove through the cloud...
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the cloud cover at that time,
and attacked the hospital,
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dropping eight demolition bombs
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and four anti-personnel bombs.
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Welcome to
the "Mike Douglas Show."
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- This is John Lennon.
- And Yoko Ono.
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Now, here's Mike.
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Hey, I'm really excited
about this week.
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I was in Boston last night
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and, uh, I had what they call
a press conference.
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And when I mentioned the fact
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that I was about to begin a week
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with the two people
I'm going to introduce,
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pencils were dropping.
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And... and it turned into
about an hour session
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on just talking about these people.
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They're not only superstars,
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but they're really two
very warm human beings.
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And I know that you're going
to enjoy meeting them
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and getting to know them
a little bit better.
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So, ladies and gentlemen,
welcome with us...
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ah, by the way, the song I just sang
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is... is written by this gentleman
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who's coming out right now.
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I wanted to tell you that.
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Here is John Lennon and Yoko Ono.
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Good afternoon. You sang it very well.
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Thank you.
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I wrote the middle eight actually.
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- Did you?
- Yeah.
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At least you didn't sing, uh...
Normally they sing "Yesterday"
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which is Paul's song, and then
saying, "Here, he wrote it."
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But I wrote the middle eight
of "Michelle" so we're okay.
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You wrote the middle eight?
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Yeah, but sometimes you write
different bits, you know?
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That's usually the toughest
part of a song, actually,
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what they call the release,
the middle eight.
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Well, yeah, 'cause once
you get the first inspiration,
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then you get stuck.
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I think we pinched it
from a Nina Simone song,
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I'm not sure though.
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Some people only remember
middle eight, you know, songs.
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That's true.
I know that you both have
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some very sincere thoughts
about life and people,
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and that people mean
a great deal to you.
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That's perfectly obvious.
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What would you like to talk
about this week, John?
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Love, peace, communication,
women's lib.
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- Racism.
- Racism.
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- War. Prisons.
- And about prison conditions.
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-And Drugs? Drugs.
-And life in general.
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- Drugs. Anything.
- Talk about...
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You know... whatever... what...
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that's what's going on now, right?
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And also to show the future
direction, you know?
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Because the future direction
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is actually beautiful, you know,
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because people getting
very pessimistic these days.
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But actually it's gonna be...
be very beautiful,
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and we want to show that to people.
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John and Yoko had really
conceived a five-show arc.
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So over a period of about
five and a half weeks,
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we taped those shows.
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This is the first show,
and you can see them
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trying to find their
comfort level with Mike,
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and Mike trying to be a gentle
and warming host.
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I know we have a man on later today
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whom you both respect a great deal.
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- Yeah.
- In fact, all of us do.
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- It's Ralph Nader.
- Right? Yeah, and he's great.
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We'll he's... he's a kind of guy
that sets an example.
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He does something.
I mean, that, that's...
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I wish he'd run for office.
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Well, I asked him today,
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when are you gonna run for president?
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- Did you?
- You know?
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She could minister of peace,
and I'll be minister of music.
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That would be marvelous.
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And we have people like Bobby Seale
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and Jerry Rubin and, you know,
just very interesting people.
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You can see
that Yoko is a bit nervous.
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John is trying to feel his way.
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They obviously had an agenda
and ideas of things
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they wanted to get out on the show.
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I really do fall for images.
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Like when I first met
Jerry Rubin. I was terrified.
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I thought I'm gonna meet
a bomb-throwing freak.
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Even when I first met the guy
called Frank Zappa,
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I was terrified. I really thought he...
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- They were terrified of us.
- And they were terrified too,
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- so we're all sitting there...
- They were terrified of you?
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Oh, yeah. So we're all sitting there,
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and then I say, "Well, uh,
you seem quite all right."
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And they said, "Well, you're not bad."
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So we relaxed, you know?
And we believe in images
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that we should know better about,
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that have built up for us.
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We thought we'd give him
a chance to sort of,
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to show what they're actually doing
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and what they actually think now,
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not two years ago or three years ago,
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but now and what their hopes
are for the future.
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One of Mike's
greatest attributes
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was he was never terrified
to be around celebrities
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or to be talking to celebrities.
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He felt right at home
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and he made them feel
at home with him.
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We have a canvas here.
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I'd like to point out
what the purpose of this is.
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Oh, yes. Yes, you see,
we were thinking that
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we would have something like this
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that people can draw on...
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all of us would draw on
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- so that... yes.
- And the guests, right?
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So it's a painting that goes on growing.
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And in the end of the show...
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- End of five days.
- We can auction it,
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- and give that money...
- Oh, to charity.
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Donate that money to charity.
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- To charity.
- We'd have a... a canvas
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that had not only real people on,
259
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but show biz people as well,
and all the... whoever the stars
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or the performers
that come on each day,
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we ask them all to sign,
and you and the producer,
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I'm gonna have the names or...
263
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Is it... is it necessary to draw?
264
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- Or can you just sign your...
- You can draw a name,
265
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- or draw a circle.
- Well... yes.
266
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Signing name is an art, too, isn't it?
267
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- Sure.
- So you can do that too.
268
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- Draw a circle is enough.
- Yeah.
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-All right, fine. That's...
- So when, when we doing it?
270
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Well, shall we do that quickly?
271
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Now are we gonna do it?
Shall we start it then?
272
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What color do you want?
273
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I don't know what I'm gonna draw.
274
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Well, um, I... oh, any color.
275
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You have to choose your own color.
276
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Who's gonna break it in then?
277
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- Can you see this?
- Let's... let's Yoko start.
278
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Okay, you start it, it's your idea, right.
279
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Oh, okay.
280
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- Okay.
- Oh, that's...
281
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You gonna do the next one?
282
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Yeah, can I take a different color?
283
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Sure, sure.
284
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I'll take green, all right?
285
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Everybody's an artist.
286
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Who told everybody
that they weren't an artist?
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Some teacher when you're about 12,
288
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somebody says to you,
"Oh, you're an artist."
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"You're not. You're a chemist
and you're a scientist."
290
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So this show would just be a...
291
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a show of all of us, you know?
292
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You're gonna be participating
a lot... a lot of things too,
293
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so you have to be prepared for that.
294
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You wanna put your name on, Yoko.
295
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- Oh, okay.
- Make it more...
296
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worth a dime more... when we sell it.
297
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Do we pass it around
the audience or... or what?
298
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Yeah.
299
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Why don't we find out
300
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if anybody really has artistic ability?
301
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-Yes.
- Everybody does.
302
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- Please.
- You wanna take it out, John?
303
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Anybody is an artist.
304
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Artist is a frame of mind.
305
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Please pass it on.
306
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While you're passing this on,
307
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would you please touch each other?
308
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- Come on, don't be shy.
- Don't be shy!
309
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Touch a stranger, it's great!
310
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Okay, this is great.
311
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The show was actually taped
312
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in a basement studio,
313
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1619 Walnut Street in Philadelphia.
314
00:16:20,438 --> 00:16:24,317
And walking John down for
one of the evening tapings,
315
00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,487
he said to me, you know,
this is so comfortable for me
316
00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:29,363
because it reminds me
of the Cavern Club
317
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where we as the Beatles
had started out in Liverpool.
318
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Were people terribly surprised,
319
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because you are hip,
contemporary people,
320
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- and, that you...
321
00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:41,167
- John.
322
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That you accepted
the convention of marriage.
323
00:16:44,462 --> 00:16:47,590
Do you think that yours
is an aesthetic marriage
324
00:16:47,673 --> 00:16:48,674
as well as physical?
325
00:16:48,716 --> 00:16:50,468
- Oh, sure, yeah.
- Yes.
326
00:16:50,551 --> 00:16:51,427
It was a mind marriage.
327
00:16:51,469 --> 00:16:53,930
Our minds met before our bodies did.
328
00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:55,264
- I mean, that's for sure.
- Hmm.
329
00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:56,974
For those of you who don't...
don't know this story.
330
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Yoko was having an art show in London,
331
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at a gallery called lndica Gallery.
332
00:17:00,478 --> 00:17:03,105
I heard about this, was gonna
be this Japanese chick
333
00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:04,941
in black bags down at the art gallery.
334
00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:06,025
It's gonna be a happening.
335
00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:07,443
And everything... when I got there,
336
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everything was white... white canvases,
337
00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:10,446
white this, white that.
338
00:17:10,488 --> 00:17:13,574
And there was this board
with hammer and a nail.
339
00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:15,409
So I said, "Can I hammer a nail in?"
340
00:17:15,493 --> 00:17:16,786
She says "No." And then the owner says,
341
00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:19,080
"Come on, come on, you know,
he might buy something."
342
00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:20,748
So the owner...
the owner knew who you were?
343
00:17:20,831 --> 00:17:22,124
Yeah, the owner of the gallery, knew...
344
00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:23,042
he knew me, yeah.
345
00:17:23,084 --> 00:17:24,627
She did not know who you were
at that meeting.
346
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:25,253
No, no.
347
00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:26,504
But I had a nice feeling about him.
348
00:17:26,587 --> 00:17:28,297
I thought, "Oh, rather nice," you know?
349
00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:29,632
Anyway, they... the guy says to me,
350
00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:32,051
John says to me, uh...
or she says, "Okay,
351
00:17:32,134 --> 00:17:34,720
well give me five shillings
then, to hammer a nail in."
352
00:17:34,804 --> 00:17:36,847
That's about a dollar,
you know, more than a dollar.
353
00:17:36,931 --> 00:17:38,182
It's five dollars or something.
354
00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:39,517
I just had to charge, you know?
355
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,601
So I said, "Listen,
356
00:17:40,643 --> 00:17:42,395
I'll give you an imaginary five shillings
357
00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:44,939
and hammer an imaginary nail in.
358
00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:45,773
Is that okay?"
359
00:17:45,815 --> 00:17:48,067
And that was the... her... her whole trip
360
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:49,527
is this "Imagine this, imagine that."
361
00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:50,611
It was imagining, imagining.
362
00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,029
So I was thinking, "Oh, here's a guy"
363
00:17:52,113 --> 00:17:54,490
"who's playing the same
game I'm playing."
364
00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:55,908
And I was really shocked. You know?
365
00:17:55,992 --> 00:17:57,201
I thought, who is it, you know?
366
00:17:57,285 --> 00:17:58,744
Also, the first thing
that was in the gallery
367
00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,664
as you went in, there was a...
a white stepladder,
368
00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:04,375
and a painting on the ceiling, or...
369
00:18:04,458 --> 00:18:05,334
A ceiling painting.
370
00:18:05,376 --> 00:18:07,128
A framed piece of white, something.
371
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And a spyglass hanging down.
372
00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:10,881
So, most of the art those days
373
00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:12,508
was art that
put everybody down, you know,
374
00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:14,176
- like make people upset.
- Uh-huh.
375
00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:16,178
- Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
- So I was anti-art,
376
00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:18,014
because I'd been five years in art school,
377
00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:19,390
and they're all phonies, you know?
378
00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:20,474
And I really was against it.
379
00:18:20,558 --> 00:18:21,809
But... I'd become interested again
380
00:18:21,892 --> 00:18:23,311
by looking around galleries,
and was there...
381
00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:25,104
I walked up this ladder,
and I picked up the spyglass.
382
00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:28,482
You're balancing there, and
it's in teeny little writing,
383
00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:29,442
it just said "Yes."
384
00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:30,943
- It said "Yes?"
- And that made my...
385
00:18:31,027 --> 00:18:32,028
- it said "Yes."
- Yes.
386
00:18:32,069 --> 00:18:33,821
It made my decision to go
and see the rest of the show.
387
00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:35,364
If it had said "No," or you know, uh-huh...
388
00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,074
- Something sarcastic.
- Something nasty,
389
00:18:37,158 --> 00:18:39,410
like you know, rip off or whatever,
390
00:18:39,493 --> 00:18:40,953
I would have left the gallery then.
391
00:18:41,037 --> 00:18:43,122
Because it was positive,
it said "Yes," I thought,
392
00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:46,626
okay, it's the first show I've
been to that said something,
393
00:18:46,709 --> 00:18:47,627
you know, warm to me.
394
00:18:47,668 --> 00:18:49,754
So I... then I decided to see
the rest of the show,
395
00:18:49,837 --> 00:18:50,713
and that's when we met.
396
00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:52,298
- What was your...
- If it had said "No,"
397
00:18:52,381 --> 00:18:53,257
I would have walked out.
398
00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:55,259
What was your impression
of Yoko at that meeting, John?
399
00:18:55,343 --> 00:18:56,344
Well, she was very serious,
400
00:18:56,427 --> 00:18:59,347
and not at all impressed
by who I was, you know,
401
00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:00,306
which I didn't mind,
402
00:19:00,348 --> 00:19:01,891
because it was a change
not to be known, you know?
403
00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:03,893
Does that... is that a welcome
thing for you,
404
00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:06,395
when somebody is not
terribly impressed by you
405
00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:07,396
and just accepts you.
406
00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:10,858
I don't want people to just,
uh, react to me and it...
407
00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:12,360
people, some...
I guess you have the same.
408
00:19:12,443 --> 00:19:16,656
People think that... that you
want them to... to do something
409
00:19:16,739 --> 00:19:17,740
or say something special.
410
00:19:17,782 --> 00:19:19,158
You don't... you want them
to be themselves.
411
00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:20,534
And therefore you can be yourself.
412
00:19:20,618 --> 00:19:22,286
And don't you find that
when people meet you,
413
00:19:22,370 --> 00:19:23,788
and they want so to say the right thing,
414
00:19:23,871 --> 00:19:26,290
and almost always it comes out
backwards, doesn't it?
415
00:19:26,374 --> 00:19:27,458
- Oh, yeah.
- What are some
416
00:19:27,541 --> 00:19:28,959
of the incredible things
people have said to you
417
00:19:29,043 --> 00:19:30,544
- upon first meetings?
- I don't know, the...
418
00:19:30,628 --> 00:19:33,589
our main problems are things
like getting in the taxi,
419
00:19:33,673 --> 00:19:35,007
and the taxi driver is so frantic
420
00:19:35,091 --> 00:19:37,009
that he's driving on the sidewalk.
421
00:19:38,636 --> 00:19:40,596
Which is a very dangerous driver.
422
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,431
It's very hard to get anywhere,
423
00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:43,599
and I think that's all this...
424
00:19:43,683 --> 00:19:44,934
And the waiters be... bring,
425
00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,018
you know, something wrong,
426
00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,728
because they weren't you...
listening to the orders...
427
00:19:47,812 --> 00:19:49,605
The waiters don't hear
what you're ordering,
428
00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:51,065
I'm talking, and I know
they're not listening,
429
00:19:51,148 --> 00:19:53,234
because they're only saying,
"Oh that's him? Is that him?
430
00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:54,652
"ls that him?" And they're looking at me
431
00:19:54,735 --> 00:19:56,904
right in the eye, and I'm
saying I'd like a, you know,
432
00:19:56,987 --> 00:19:58,989
a... a medium-rare steak
and some French fries
433
00:19:59,073 --> 00:20:01,909
and an elephant's leg,
and a policeman's hat, please.
434
00:20:01,992 --> 00:20:03,327
And they say, "Yes, sir, yes, sir!"
435
00:20:03,411 --> 00:20:04,745
Because they're not hearing me.
436
00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:07,915
A policeman's hat and...
437
00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:09,125
We'll be right back.
438
00:20:15,256 --> 00:20:17,717
What we're really
focusing on that February
439
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,513
of 1972 because if you don't
understand what 1972 is like,
440
00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:27,226
you don't understand why these
shows were so transgressional.
441
00:20:27,309 --> 00:20:33,315
Well, 1972 was the Nixon era.
442
00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:35,818
Richard Nixon, the pits, uh,
443
00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:38,696
he was a very vengeful, uh, president.
444
00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:41,949
And he was afraid of what
he called the liberal media.
445
00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:46,454
And he was afraid of a young
generation uprising.
446
00:20:46,537 --> 00:20:49,206
It was, uh, a time
of considerable fracturing.
447
00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:53,127
I mean, uh, we... we were...
we had made it out of the '60s
448
00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:56,172
by the time that... that,
uh, I was on the shows.
449
00:20:56,255 --> 00:21:02,219
But the aftermath
was still quite, uh, quite...
450
00:21:02,303 --> 00:21:03,012
disturbing.
451
00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:05,681
This was the context in which the '60s,
452
00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:07,057
we... in which we lived.
453
00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:11,562
Aside from the news
which everybody saw at night,
454
00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:12,730
bringing these ideas,
455
00:21:12,813 --> 00:21:17,234
I think more the ideas
and the conversations, uh,
456
00:21:17,318 --> 00:21:21,572
into the living rooms of...
of women was really...
457
00:21:21,655 --> 00:21:22,531
it was really important.
458
00:21:22,573 --> 00:21:25,409
I remember overhearing
one of the producers say
459
00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:27,203
to John and Yoko backstage,
460
00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:29,497
do you have any friends
that aren't political?
461
00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:33,083
Yeah. It was something they
were trying to get away with.
462
00:21:34,376 --> 00:21:37,171
And it was basically housewives
463
00:21:37,254 --> 00:21:41,383
or people who were at home
who wanted to be entertained.
464
00:21:41,467 --> 00:21:43,928
It was an entertainment
variety kind of thing.
465
00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:47,681
So I really didn't even have
a clue that they were having
466
00:21:47,765 --> 00:21:51,560
all these almost counter cultural figures.
467
00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,437
I mean, it was really interesting
468
00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:56,482
to see Ralph Nader so young.
469
00:22:01,362 --> 00:22:04,156
It's been almost a year since
we've seen this next gentleman
470
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,701
on our show, and in that time
he's gotten his fingers
471
00:22:07,785 --> 00:22:09,662
into a lot of new pies.
472
00:22:09,745 --> 00:22:10,579
He's an attorney.
473
00:22:10,621 --> 00:22:11,747
He's from the nation's capital.
474
00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:16,710
And recently he's been called
"The man who makes waves."
475
00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:18,379
Here is Ralph Nader.
476
00:22:19,755 --> 00:22:22,299
Mike Douglas
watched the evening news.
477
00:22:22,383 --> 00:22:23,467
He probably said to himself,
478
00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:25,094
I think I want this guy on the show.
479
00:22:25,177 --> 00:22:29,139
And he doesn't over talk
and he smiles once in a while
480
00:22:29,223 --> 00:22:32,852
and he's concise enough for daytime TV.
481
00:22:32,935 --> 00:22:36,564
It helped that he had a staff
member, Erni Di Massa,
482
00:22:36,647 --> 00:22:40,901
on the show
who was very, uh, persuasive
483
00:22:40,985 --> 00:22:45,281
in getting citizen group
voices on the show.
484
00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:49,952
I might say you also
had Roger Ailes.
485
00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:51,495
Roger Ailes, who started
486
00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:53,414
as a public relations man
on the "Mike Douglas Show"
487
00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:55,416
met Richard Nixon
on the "Mike Douglas Show."
488
00:22:55,499 --> 00:22:58,043
Went to work for him,
got him elected president.
489
00:22:58,127 --> 00:23:00,921
Then later in his career,
started Fox News,
490
00:23:01,005 --> 00:23:03,340
which is a pretty incredible transition
491
00:23:03,424 --> 00:23:04,383
when you think about it
492
00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:07,261
from the "Mike Douglas Show"
to Fox News.
493
00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:10,556
One of the stories is that Roger Ailes
494
00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:11,891
was actually behind the scenes
495
00:23:11,974 --> 00:23:14,143
trying to get John and Yoko booked
496
00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:15,311
on the "Mike Douglas Show"
497
00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:16,896
with the hope of convincing them
498
00:23:16,979 --> 00:23:20,983
to become Republican backers
of Richard Nixon.
499
00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:22,526
I remember being on the stage
500
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:26,113
and I watched this young guy
in the back.
501
00:23:26,196 --> 00:23:27,072
He was going like this,
502
00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:30,576
constantly absorbing the details
503
00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:33,412
of the television experience.
504
00:23:33,495 --> 00:23:35,539
I could just see him saying to himself
505
00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:39,752
someday I'm gonna make sure
that television
506
00:23:39,835 --> 00:23:45,758
is a major tool of right-wing politicians.
507
00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:48,969
'
"
508
00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:55,517
- Stop him!
- Stop him.
509
00:23:55,601 --> 00:23:57,728
Would you do us the honor, uh, Ralph?
510
00:23:57,811 --> 00:23:59,939
Yes. Indeed. Yes, yes, yes.
511
00:24:00,022 --> 00:24:00,856
This is gonna go...
512
00:24:00,898 --> 00:24:03,275
be auctioned off at the end of the week.
513
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,487
And all the money will go to charity.
514
00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:10,282
- That's beautiful.
- Oh, look at that!
515
00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:11,992
- Yes.
- That's the yin yang sign.
516
00:24:12,076 --> 00:24:13,035
- Yeah.
- Actually...
517
00:24:13,077 --> 00:24:14,578
Yin and yang is like
positive-negative,
518
00:24:14,662 --> 00:24:16,830
- black-white, right.
- Going back to...
519
00:24:16,914 --> 00:24:17,623
R. Nader.
520
00:24:17,665 --> 00:24:19,667
The nat... natural balance of things.
521
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:20,793
Can I ask you something?
522
00:24:20,876 --> 00:24:23,545
You know, the small book
you gave us before the show,
523
00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:25,422
that... that book was to, um,
524
00:24:25,506 --> 00:24:27,257
help people... students organize, right?
525
00:24:27,341 --> 00:24:28,926
That's right.
Action, Action for a Change.
526
00:24:29,009 --> 00:24:31,553
It's to show them how they
could do it themselves, like...
527
00:24:31,637 --> 00:24:32,721
- Exactly.
- Right?
528
00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:34,223
So what kind of thing do you tell them?
529
00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:35,683
I know something about tax
and all, well...
530
00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:37,935
Well, first, it makes a very
important distinction.
531
00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:39,186
- Yeah.
- Everybody...
532
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:41,772
most everybody wants peace
and justice and equity.
533
00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:45,609
However, the most important
first step is to develop
534
00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:48,237
the instruments that will
lead, uh, to these objectives.
535
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,239
So the first part
of the book is, uh, devoted
536
00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:53,909
to showing exactly, step by
step, how they can organize.
537
00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:57,538
Well, it's one of the reasons
I went on the "Mike Douglas,"
538
00:24:57,621 --> 00:24:58,580
so, so enthusiastically.
539
00:24:58,622 --> 00:25:02,084
We were beginning the drive
to organize students
540
00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:06,422
in large numbers to contribute
through their student dues,
541
00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:10,551
a few bucks each year
into a non-profit group
542
00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:11,510
that they would run.
543
00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:14,221
And this book came out,
it was a manual.
544
00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:18,976
It was very detailed by
Donald Ross, bless his soul.
545
00:25:19,059 --> 00:25:21,478
He showed the students how to do it.
546
00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:24,356
For example that, uh,
they spend on the average
547
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,985
about $250 a year
on soft drinks, cigarettes,
548
00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:29,153
uh, and candies.
549
00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:32,948
Now if they just spend 37>,
or 2% of that, two, three,
550
00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:35,075
four dollars a year, they could develop
551
00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:37,578
the strongest democratic force
in the state.
552
00:25:37,661 --> 00:25:39,413
- Yeah.
- And they could also work
553
00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,040
with people who aren't students.
554
00:25:41,123 --> 00:25:42,249
- Yeah.
- Retired people
555
00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:44,501
who have a lot of time and a lot of talent
556
00:25:44,585 --> 00:25:45,294
on their hands.
557
00:25:45,335 --> 00:25:46,879
- It's a great resource.
- You tell 'em to register
558
00:25:46,962 --> 00:25:47,796
to vote, as well?
559
00:25:47,838 --> 00:25:49,590
- Register to vote.
- Because that's been a great
560
00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:51,050
- change in the whole...
- Exactly.
561
00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:52,718
Movement people,
a lot of people were saying,
562
00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:54,261
uh, voting's irrelevant
and... a few years ago.
563
00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,764
And, uh, a lot of movement
people have decided
564
00:25:56,847 --> 00:25:57,723
that voting is relevant,
565
00:25:57,765 --> 00:25:59,308
'cause it's the only chance
they're gonna get.
566
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:00,893
- Of course.
- Like if you want to beat
567
00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:02,561
the Establishment,
you got to know how it works.
568
00:26:02,644 --> 00:26:04,480
Well, you'll be more likely to want to vote,
569
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:05,773
particularly at a younger age,
570
00:26:05,856 --> 00:26:07,399
if you know what the issues are,
571
00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:09,902
and if you can push for a real choice
572
00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:11,028
between different candidates.
573
00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:12,946
At least if you,
if you're registered to vote,
574
00:26:13,030 --> 00:26:14,198
it doesn't say you have to vote.
575
00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:16,075
At least you have it,
and then if somebody comes,
576
00:26:16,158 --> 00:26:17,701
if there's somebody around
that you can believe in,
577
00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:19,578
you've got that vote
but if you don't register,
578
00:26:19,661 --> 00:26:22,081
and it comes and you want
to do something, it's...
579
00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:22,998
you've missed it.
580
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,666
And somebody put it very succinctly,
581
00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:25,751
Richard Neville of... of OZ,
582
00:26:25,793 --> 00:26:27,586
which is an underground
scene in London.
583
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:29,129
He said, "Well, we all made a mistake."
584
00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:31,173
We should have voted.
We should have registered.
585
00:26:31,256 --> 00:26:32,716
Because there's... there's one inch
586
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,719
in which we breathe difference
between the two parties...
587
00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:37,679
And everybody's saying,
"They're all the same."
588
00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:38,680
They are all the same!
589
00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:40,474
But there's that one inch
in which they let you breathe.
590
00:26:40,557 --> 00:26:43,727
And if you vote,
you broaden out the difference
591
00:26:43,811 --> 00:26:46,230
between the parties in the right way
592
00:26:46,313 --> 00:26:49,066
for the next election
and the next election.
593
00:26:49,149 --> 00:26:51,068
I mean, that was a very astute comment.
594
00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:54,196
Democracy means,
in a word, self-government.
595
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,824
And anytime we delegate
our responsibilities,
596
00:26:56,907 --> 00:26:58,367
- it's for convenience.
- Yeah.
597
00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:59,701
How about the organizing housewives?
598
00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:02,412
You know, they're just sort
of, very vast amount
599
00:27:02,496 --> 00:27:04,790
of silent majority there, you know?
600
00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,583
And they're sort of... they don't have
601
00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:08,418
the direct communication society.
602
00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:09,711
They're sort of isolated people.
603
00:27:09,795 --> 00:27:11,547
I've never thought of housewives
604
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:12,548
as a silent majority.
605
00:27:12,589 --> 00:27:14,842
- Well, maybe at home
606
00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:17,010
they might say a lot,
but they don't have a chance
607
00:27:17,094 --> 00:27:19,555
to say it in the society
and also, they don't have
608
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:22,516
a direct sort of horizontal
contact, you know?
609
00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,143
- Yes.
- They're in the house.
610
00:27:24,226 --> 00:27:25,060
They're isolated.
611
00:27:25,102 --> 00:27:27,729
If you can get a housewife's
manual or something
612
00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:28,689
to help the cause,
613
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:30,607
what could they do
for pollution, you know?
614
00:27:30,691 --> 00:27:32,234
Well, actually, we're just working on that.
615
00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:35,779
What you have to do is
step back and start by trying
616
00:27:35,863 --> 00:27:36,738
to help organize people
617
00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:41,034
and trying to get them to see
citizenship as a profession,
618
00:27:41,118 --> 00:27:41,869
as an expertise.
619
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:43,203
And this could be a great country,
620
00:27:43,287 --> 00:27:46,039
and it can contribute to
the world in magnificent ways,
621
00:27:46,123 --> 00:27:47,374
because we've got the affluence
622
00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,002
and we've got the intelligence
and the know-how,
623
00:27:50,085 --> 00:27:52,880
but we're not in effect letting people
624
00:27:52,963 --> 00:27:53,839
control their destinies.
625
00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:55,424
I was just thinking, does Ralph Nader
626
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:57,634
make a New Year's resolution?
627
00:27:57,718 --> 00:28:00,053
- Do you do such things?
628
00:28:00,137 --> 00:28:00,846
Yeah, actually.
629
00:28:00,888 --> 00:28:03,599
What... what were yours,
or what was yours?
630
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:06,894
Try to find a 36-hour day.
631
00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:10,981
I'm looking for a 48-hour day.
632
00:28:11,064 --> 00:28:16,236
As the Romans used to say,
tempus fugit.
633
00:28:16,987 --> 00:28:17,696
Time flies.
634
00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,198
Ralph, you must get an awful lot of mail.
635
00:28:19,281 --> 00:28:20,699
Where, where can people write you?
636
00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:23,368
Well, you can go to Nader.org,
and by the way,
637
00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:26,830
sign up to receive free,
electronically every week,
638
00:28:26,914 --> 00:28:30,083
my weekly column,
which started in 1971.
639
00:28:30,167 --> 00:28:32,044
- And that's it?
- Just like that.
640
00:28:32,127 --> 00:28:33,003
Thank you, Ralph Nader.
641
00:28:33,045 --> 00:28:35,756
And stay with us. We'll be right back.
642
00:28:40,928 --> 00:28:42,930
Yoko, you have some, some great ideas
643
00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:44,514
- in your book "Grapefruit."
- Thank you.
644
00:28:44,598 --> 00:28:47,100
And one of them involves a... a teacup.
645
00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:48,894
- Yes, well see...
- Tell, tell us about it.
646
00:28:48,977 --> 00:28:51,730
This is a cup. And it's broken.
647
00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:54,358
Through the five days,
we want to mend it,
648
00:28:54,441 --> 00:28:57,194
and all of us participate in mending it.
649
00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:59,154
By the end of the five days,
650
00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:01,782
this cup would be a whole cup, I hope.
651
00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:03,158
It's not as easy as you thought, right?
652
00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:04,493
It's not that easy as you think.
653
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:06,161
What is the point
behind this, Yoko? Is it...
654
00:29:06,245 --> 00:29:07,996
Yeah, I'll hold them. You
tell... you explain yourself.
655
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,290
- Hold it like this.
- I'll hold it like that.
656
00:29:10,374 --> 00:29:12,626
And are we out of time?
657
00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:15,921
That's fine. Um, we'll go
through the next day.
658
00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:18,257
Okay, we have four more shows
in which to complete it.
659
00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:21,093
I would like to take this
opportunity to thank
660
00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:23,178
my co-host and my co-hostess,
661
00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:25,055
John Lennon and Yoko Ono,
662
00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:25,847
Ralph Nader.
663
00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:29,309
- We'll see you tomorrow.
664
00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:40,153
People tend
to think Woodstock
665
00:29:40,237 --> 00:29:42,447
three years earlier was a big deal.
666
00:29:42,531 --> 00:29:46,201
But this was the best minds
of the counterculture.
667
00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:48,829
Yoko had a lot of confidence
668
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,497
bringing these radical people
669
00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:55,377
into this very, uh, middle class Amer...
670
00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:58,714
middle America space,
putting that and seeing
671
00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:00,257
let's see what happens when we do this.
672
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:04,553
In the environment where there
weren't very many choices,
673
00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,680
uh, in TV,
674
00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:08,765
to get the opportunity,
that John and Yoko had,
675
00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:13,061
the "Mike Douglas Show" and
then to use it as a platform
676
00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:16,648
to bring the counterculture to people
677
00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:20,277
in a way that was actually quite friendly.
678
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,236
It was approachable.
679
00:30:21,278 --> 00:30:24,323
Well, I think John and Yoko
reflected the importance
680
00:30:24,406 --> 00:30:28,118
of what you call the ephemeral
and what I call,
681
00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:32,497
say, the spiritual and philosophical
682
00:30:32,581 --> 00:30:33,790
aspect of living.
683
00:30:33,874 --> 00:30:37,252
John Lennon and Yoko Ono
didn't want us
684
00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:39,004
to talk about their music.
685
00:30:39,087 --> 00:30:41,131
That spoke for itself.
686
00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:43,633
I think for your...
687
00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:45,260
your general audience,
688
00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:49,431
those audiences that watched
Mike Douglas.
689
00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:51,516
And to see...
690
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,271
Yoko, in particular, speaking up or even...
691
00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:58,315
in a sense, answering, uh,
692
00:30:58,398 --> 00:31:03,070
a question that had been put
to... to John Lennon,
693
00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:06,239
I don't think it was a turnoff to...
694
00:31:06,323 --> 00:31:07,574
in particular to women.
695
00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:11,036
Now some men might have
got turned off!
696
00:31:12,496 --> 00:31:15,499
The government's top mental
health officials said today
697
00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:17,542
that marijuana laws are too strict.
698
00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:19,127
The report cites studies however
699
00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:23,715
that indicate motorists
have their driving ability impaired
700
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:24,716
by marijuana use.
701
00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,343
You'll drag for two seconds,
702
00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:28,178
then you'll hold for 15 seconds,
703
00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:29,096
then you'll exhale
704
00:31:29,137 --> 00:31:30,639
- and relax for 20 seconds.
- Okay.
705
00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:32,933
The smoking
is carefully supervised
706
00:31:33,016 --> 00:31:34,309
by medics and psychiatrists.
707
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:37,771
Marijuana, the study
has found, dulls the senses.
708
00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:40,023
Many drivers drift across the center line,
709
00:31:40,107 --> 00:31:42,067
their ability to react impaired.
710
00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:45,445
The central nervous system's
processing centers
711
00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:47,531
are affected...
712
00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:51,952
I... I thoroughly...
713
00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:54,037
I thoroughly enjoyed yesterday's show.
714
00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:55,288
- Oh, we did too.
- Did you?
715
00:31:55,372 --> 00:31:56,832
We did too. And we'd just like to say,
716
00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,333
you know, we...
we sometimes get very nervous
717
00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:01,461
doing these things, and, uh,
it's a very relaxing show.
718
00:32:01,545 --> 00:32:02,879
Yes. You made us very relaxed.
719
00:32:02,963 --> 00:32:04,423
- Thank you. Thank you.
- And that's so nice.
720
00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:06,091
We've got such
an interesting thing going.
721
00:32:06,174 --> 00:32:07,592
- The teacup...
- Yes, oh, where is it? Oh!
722
00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:09,302
- It was interesting.
- Oh, there it is, yeah.
723
00:32:09,386 --> 00:32:10,220
Am I supposed to...
724
00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:11,430
- Oh, it stayed a bit.
- Yes.
725
00:32:11,513 --> 00:32:12,597
Well, it stayed together anyway.
726
00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:14,391
Well, I have to explain it.
Oh, it did stay together.
727
00:32:14,474 --> 00:32:15,892
She has a lot of funny ideas, you know?
728
00:32:15,976 --> 00:32:17,978
Now, this is, uh, a sculpture
and also, this is, uh,
729
00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:19,104
a sculpture called mend piece.
730
00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:20,856
And we're all going to mend it together.
731
00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:21,940
One piece every day?
732
00:32:21,982 --> 00:32:23,233
Yes, one piece every day.
733
00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:25,193
And in the end, probably
we'll have a nice cup.
734
00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:26,695
Do you want me to...
735
00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:27,529
Yes, you can...
736
00:32:27,571 --> 00:32:29,656
And also, meanwhile,
while John is doing that,
737
00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:33,368
uh, we're going to the next
audience piece, um,
738
00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:36,538
which is, um... yesterday,
we did this touch piece,
739
00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:38,039
- remember?
- Oh, yeah, this, this was...
740
00:32:38,123 --> 00:32:39,458
Everybody touching each other?
741
00:32:39,541 --> 00:32:41,209
And you called this...
they called this an... an event.
742
00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:42,335
- Yes.
- You want to try...
743
00:32:42,419 --> 00:32:43,420
what are we gonna do today?
744
00:32:43,503 --> 00:32:44,921
Now, the minute, uh,
when I raise my hand...
745
00:32:45,005 --> 00:32:46,548
- Listen to this.
- Please start to shout,
746
00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:49,634
right away, start shouting the
first word that came to you.
747
00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:50,927
- Until...
- And don't be shy now,
748
00:32:51,011 --> 00:32:52,220
- don't be shy.
- Wait a minute...
749
00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:53,763
- Keep on shouting.
- Now, wait a minute...
750
00:32:53,847 --> 00:32:55,307
- Keep on shouting...
751
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:56,683
You're on television, coast to coast.
752
00:32:56,766 --> 00:32:58,310
Well, yes, I'm sure
truly beautiful people...
753
00:32:58,393 --> 00:33:00,812
- You'll never hear it.
- So it'll be all right.
754
00:33:00,896 --> 00:33:02,564
One, two, three!
755
00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:03,857
Mama!
756
00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:08,987
Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.
757
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:10,363
MAN 2; Hey, hey, hey!
758
00:33:10,447 --> 00:33:12,157
- Okay. Clears the air.
- Exactly.
759
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,034
I think... yes, it did clear the air, didn't it?
760
00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:15,368
- Who said "Fatso?"
761
00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,329
- No, no.
- No, it wasn't you, was it?
762
00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:20,457
What... what... why do you call
'em "events" and... and,
763
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,209
- I want to start with her.
- Oh, because, uh...
764
00:33:22,292 --> 00:33:23,835
it's a... it's... it's a kind of thing...
765
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:25,212
a "happening" is a bit more theatrical,
766
00:33:25,295 --> 00:33:28,548
but this is something
that includes people in it,
767
00:33:28,632 --> 00:33:29,883
that's not... has no calculation,
768
00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:32,719
it's just that people
who follow their own instinct
769
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:34,304
and it has freedom in it, you know?
770
00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:37,015
Yeah. Whenever we have
co-hosts on the show,
771
00:33:37,098 --> 00:33:39,059
we always explore their interests,
772
00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:41,228
and also book the show, uh,
773
00:33:41,311 --> 00:33:44,397
to make them happy,
Jerry Rubin, who's an out...
774
00:33:45,565 --> 00:33:46,399
Oh!
775
00:33:46,441 --> 00:33:47,359
Ain't it funny?
776
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,277
You did that
and the audience didn't react.
777
00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:49,903
I know.
778
00:33:49,945 --> 00:33:52,364
Mike developed a
very interesting relationship
779
00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,449
with John over the course of the week.
780
00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:55,575
You can see in the first show,
781
00:33:55,659 --> 00:33:56,952
there's a little bit of tenseness.
782
00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:58,286
And it starts to warm up and warm up.
783
00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:00,413
We're gonna spend the day
talking, one of the shows,
784
00:34:00,497 --> 00:34:03,333
talking about the Beatles,
but, uh, will the Beatles
785
00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:04,334
ever, for any reason,
786
00:34:04,376 --> 00:34:05,585
- for a charity reason...
- Yeah.
787
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:07,963
Or anything ever perform
together again?
788
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:08,755
Let's say this.
789
00:34:08,797 --> 00:34:10,799
There's no reason why
they never should do it again,
790
00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:13,218
but there's also no reason
why they should.
791
00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:14,344
And like, anything's possible.
792
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:17,389
And, uh, just to get it
straight, once and for all,
793
00:34:17,472 --> 00:34:19,140
we're not all at each other's throats.
794
00:34:19,224 --> 00:34:22,143
When those court cases...
it gets, you know,
795
00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:23,228
when lawyers get involved,
796
00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:24,813
it looks vicious and it gets in the paper.
797
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:28,441
But, uh, I talk to Paul about once a week.
798
00:34:28,525 --> 00:34:30,485
He called me two days ago
to say he'd just been
799
00:34:30,569 --> 00:34:32,737
to dinner with Ringo
and he was just going
800
00:34:32,821 --> 00:34:33,738
to dinner with George.
801
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:35,240
And I said,
"Well, you better catch George"
802
00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:36,575
'cause he's on his way over here,
803
00:34:36,658 --> 00:34:38,201
"and then he's going
to Bangladesh." You know?
804
00:34:38,285 --> 00:34:39,703
We're having a quite normal relationship.
805
00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:41,162
And you know what each other is up to.
806
00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:43,039
But musically, we're, we're...
musically we feel as though
807
00:34:43,123 --> 00:34:44,583
we can express ourselves
better as individuals,
808
00:34:44,666 --> 00:34:46,376
that's all, you know?
And it came to a head.
809
00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:48,295
And we're all friends, you know?
810
00:34:48,378 --> 00:34:49,462
But we just... you never know
811
00:34:49,546 --> 00:34:50,964
what's gonna happen
in the future, but, uh...
812
00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:52,632
When you were with the Beatles,
813
00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:54,426
you... you didn't express yourself
814
00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:55,510
politically at all, did you?
815
00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:58,013
Well, let's say, uh,
it was a slow development.
816
00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:02,100
But, uh, on our first tour, there was a...
817
00:35:02,183 --> 00:35:04,978
a sort of unspoken thing
that, uh, Mr. Epstein
818
00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:07,355
was preventing us talking
about the Vietnam War.
819
00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:10,775
And, um, before we came back
the second time to America,
820
00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:11,860
George and I said to him,
821
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:13,403
"We don't go unless
we answer that question,
822
00:35:13,486 --> 00:35:14,487
what we feel about the war."
823
00:35:14,571 --> 00:35:15,864
'Cause you were being asked about it.
824
00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:17,490
Because we were being asked
about it all the time.
825
00:35:17,574 --> 00:35:18,992
It was just silly, and we had to pretend
826
00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:20,702
to be like, you know,
in the old days when artists
827
00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,329
weren't meant to say anything
about anything.
828
00:35:22,412 --> 00:35:25,040
But we spoke our minds
after that, you know?
829
00:35:25,123 --> 00:35:26,875
And also, the Beatles were really
830
00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:28,418
a social event, you know?
831
00:35:28,501 --> 00:35:29,377
It was a fantastic thing
832
00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:30,920
that we changed the society in a way.
833
00:35:31,004 --> 00:35:32,505
In that sense it was political, I think.
834
00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:34,090
I think something like that comes along
835
00:35:34,174 --> 00:35:36,134
once about every 20 or 30 years.
836
00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:37,218
Well, I thought it was 10,
837
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,304
because there was 10 years
between us and Elvis.
838
00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:41,181
And there's 10 between
him and Johnnie Ray.
839
00:35:41,264 --> 00:35:42,766
I'm not doing... saying
anything demeaning
840
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:44,059
- about El... Elvis, but...
- Yeah.
841
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,769
But, I don't... I haven't seen anything
842
00:35:45,852 --> 00:35:47,646
as big as the Beatles. I mean...
843
00:35:47,729 --> 00:35:48,730
Well, I don't know.
844
00:35:48,772 --> 00:35:50,023
Well, maybe I'm still an Elvis fan.
845
00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:52,984
I think he's pretty
damn big, you know?
846
00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:54,110
- Yes.
- I suppose the Beatles
847
00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:55,862
- are like that in a way, too.
- And he has surprised
848
00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:57,572
everyone because I remember
when he happened, uh,
849
00:35:57,656 --> 00:36:00,075
all the critics were saying it
would be an overnight thing,
850
00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:01,826
that in a year,
nobody would ever hear of him.
851
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:03,370
And he's certainly fooled a lot of people.
852
00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:05,038
You know, the reviews
of our second record
853
00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:06,039
was below par Beatles.
854
00:36:06,081 --> 00:36:07,707
This was in England
before we'd even made it here.
855
00:36:07,791 --> 00:36:10,085
They were already saying,
you're on your way out.
856
00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:11,294
This is on our second record.
857
00:36:11,378 --> 00:36:15,340
So, I mean, any... they've been
saying rock and roll was dead
858
00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:17,384
since it began. You know? It'll never die.
859
00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:19,427
Like jazz, it's like
the people who said jazz
860
00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:21,221
is immoral, or jazz is dead.
861
00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:23,390
You know, that it's a...
it's a certain form of music
862
00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:24,516
that'll go on and on forever.
863
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,267
- I don't see any reason...
- Is it fair to say,
864
00:36:26,351 --> 00:36:27,811
John, that you have become very political
865
00:36:27,894 --> 00:36:29,187
and even radical in your thinking?
866
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,314
- Is that your next question?
- Well, I don't know, Mike.
867
00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:32,232
Yes, it is.
868
00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:33,733
How do you expect me
to remember all that?
869
00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:35,443
- I've got to write it down.
- I just want...
870
00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:36,528
No, but see the thing is,
871
00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:37,946
because the world's, uh, you know, be...
872
00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:39,072
become a bit more mature too,
873
00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:42,283
but we were interested
in, um, you know, the aspect
874
00:36:42,367 --> 00:36:45,161
of say female liberation, things like that,
875
00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:47,789
that people are not
too interested in the times,
876
00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:49,499
in the days of Beatles,
let's say, you know?
877
00:36:49,582 --> 00:36:51,376
- And we are grateful so...
- Also it was a develop...
878
00:36:51,459 --> 00:36:53,044
- a personal development.
- It's a development.
879
00:36:53,128 --> 00:36:55,505
I mean, I was 20... let's say
I was 25 or something,
880
00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:57,257
and we were busy in our own lives,
881
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:58,800
'cause it's a lot of pressure
that we have...
882
00:36:58,883 --> 00:37:01,720
hardly had to time to think,
never mind be political.
883
00:37:01,803 --> 00:37:04,180
But we were conscious
of our connection with youth
884
00:37:04,264 --> 00:37:08,852
and the fact that we were
changing people's hairstyles
885
00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:09,811
and their dress styles.
886
00:37:09,853 --> 00:37:13,022
And that was the revolution
we were into at the time.
887
00:37:13,106 --> 00:37:14,816
You're responsible for bringing
888
00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:15,859
these two people to us,
889
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:18,111
so why don't you handle
their first introduction
890
00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:19,654
to nationwide television?
891
00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:21,114
Chris and Joanna,
892
00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:22,365
and, uh, beautiful singers
893
00:37:22,449 --> 00:37:23,700
and, uh, they have a story to tell,
894
00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:25,452
and they're gonna come on now
and do it.
895
00:37:25,535 --> 00:37:26,953
Here they are, Yellow Pearl.
896
00:37:27,746 --> 00:37:32,083
But the real story happened
before this.
897
00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:38,548
That's what got us in trouble.
898
00:37:40,884 --> 00:37:45,388
Usually, people know very little about...
899
00:37:45,805 --> 00:37:46,598
Asians...
900
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:48,933
and this is a song about our movement,
901
00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:52,353
about our people's plight in America.
902
00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:34,312
Chris ljima
903
00:38:34,354 --> 00:38:35,772
was a pretty exceptional person,
904
00:38:35,855 --> 00:38:36,898
both politically.
905
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:39,901
He went to Columbia University,
906
00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:40,985
but he also loved music.
907
00:38:41,069 --> 00:38:46,449
I had never seen an
Asian American sing like him
908
00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:47,700
or play like him.
909
00:39:07,971 --> 00:39:14,227
We had a long drive
from New York to Philadelphia.
910
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:15,311
John and Yoko were sitting
911
00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:16,563
in the front of the limousine...
912
00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:21,776
a very long stretch, with, uh, Jerry Rubin.
913
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:24,779
And Chris and I in the backseat saying,
914
00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:27,866
we... we... 'cause we did...
we did all this material
915
00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:28,700
all the time.
916
00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:29,784
So what are we going to sing?
917
00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,871
And we said, "Well,
if we get one song to sing,
918
00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:35,582
we should sing 'We Are The Children, "'
919
00:39:35,665 --> 00:39:37,625
because that tells our story.
920
00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:56,853
Yeah.
921
00:39:56,895 --> 00:39:58,104
Of course, we were two hours late.
922
00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,482
There were people
outside the theater gathered,
923
00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:03,735
waiting to see John Lennon.
924
00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:06,738
As soon as we get in there
they wanted to see us,
925
00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:08,364
what we're going to do immediately.
926
00:40:08,448 --> 00:40:12,410
So we sang the song,
very simply, uh, you...
927
00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:16,831
and we got to the part,
"Watching war movies
928
00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:17,916
with a next-door neighbor."
929
00:40:20,919 --> 00:40:22,754
And boom, director comes up
930
00:40:22,837 --> 00:40:24,839
and says, "Excuse me.
931
00:40:24,923 --> 00:40:27,258
What other songs do you have to sing?"
932
00:40:27,342 --> 00:40:28,968
Chris and I look at each other.
933
00:40:29,052 --> 00:40:31,095
Uh, we're going to sing this one.
934
00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:36,100
"Well, well, you know there's
a couple of lines in there
935
00:40:36,184 --> 00:40:38,853
that will upset the housewives
936
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:39,938
of the Midwest."
937
00:40:39,979 --> 00:40:42,899
"Watching movies
with a next-door neighbor,
938
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:45,318
secretly... uh, rooting
939
00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:47,111
for the other side"
940
00:40:47,195 --> 00:40:49,072
seems subversive.
941
00:40:49,155 --> 00:40:52,116
And then, John Lennon
942
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,080
and, uh, comes up trying to mediate.
943
00:40:57,163 --> 00:40:59,040
And I'm thinking,
would he change his words
944
00:40:59,123 --> 00:41:02,502
from strawberry to raspberry
if somebody asked him to?
945
00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:05,630
And then the director again
came at us and said,
946
00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:09,050
you know, "Well, what other
songs can you sing?"
947
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,386
I try to be accommodating myself
948
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:14,263
and be a good Asian, I guess.
949
00:41:14,347 --> 00:41:15,223
H's my upbringing.
950
00:41:15,264 --> 00:41:18,601
But all of a sudden, I just...
something took over me
951
00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:19,727
and I said,
952
00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,647
"You, you put us in concentration camps,
953
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:26,401
and you're saying
we can't sing this song?"
954
00:41:27,276 --> 00:41:30,571
And I turn around and I walk out
955
00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:31,489
towards the door.
956
00:41:31,531 --> 00:41:34,409
And the director comes running
after me and says,
957
00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:36,035
"No, no, no, no.
958
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:39,372
You can sing anything you want."
959
00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:41,541
And I'm like, "Oh."
960
00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:47,463
I still had my finger pointed
at him, like, "Oh, my God.
961
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,048
Did I do that?"
962
00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:14,967
That poor director
963
00:43:15,051 --> 00:43:16,052
on the "Mike Douglas Show,"
964
00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,805
did he know what he was walking into?
965
00:43:18,888 --> 00:43:22,767
Well, he deserved it.
966
00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:40,827
If you didn't
know that was John Lennon
967
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:41,661
and Yoko,
968
00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:44,413
were you ever able
to sort of get a bead on them
969
00:43:44,497 --> 00:43:45,706
as human beings?
970
00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:48,084
Yoko had a lot of confidence
971
00:43:48,167 --> 00:43:49,085
in what she was doing.
972
00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:52,255
She was a performance
artist extraordinaire.
973
00:43:52,338 --> 00:43:53,840
And I think for John and Yoko,
974
00:43:53,923 --> 00:43:57,718
they were very aware
also of this performance
975
00:43:57,802 --> 00:43:59,595
between the movement in a way
976
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,808
and the greater audience
that they were reaching.
977
00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:08,187
I didn't sense
them in any way competitive.
978
00:44:08,271 --> 00:44:10,940
I felt that they were very appreciative
979
00:44:11,023 --> 00:44:12,817
of each other's questions.
980
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,403
One of them is a superstar.
981
00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:19,824
The other is very important artist.
982
00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:23,452
And yet it was equals right away.
983
00:44:23,536 --> 00:44:24,537
They combine beautifully.
984
00:44:24,579 --> 00:44:27,248
It was like one plus one equals three.
985
00:44:27,331 --> 00:44:29,041
There was such a camaraderie
986
00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:30,793
between the two of them.
987
00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:33,337
And Yoko was Yoko, you know.
988
00:44:33,421 --> 00:44:35,464
She's gonna answer.
She's gonna do her thing.
989
00:44:35,548 --> 00:44:39,051
But it was okay for him the way she was.
990
00:44:39,135 --> 00:44:42,638
Somebody asked her,
where do you get your ideas?
991
00:44:42,722 --> 00:44:44,849
And she kind of laughed and said,
992
00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:48,394
"I... ideas just come."
993
00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:50,813
When have we really seen,
994
00:44:50,897 --> 00:44:51,981
you know, somebody like Yoko
995
00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:55,568
who's like very frank and outspoken
996
00:44:55,651 --> 00:44:57,778
be an equal?
997
00:44:58,487 --> 00:44:59,906
She was who she was.
998
00:44:59,989 --> 00:45:03,034
And she was an equal to a rock star.
999
00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:10,351
Here's a man that I know
very little about,
1000
00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:13,896
other than what I have read
in newspapers and magazines,
1001
00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:16,816
and what I've heard on television.
1002
00:46:16,899 --> 00:46:18,609
And, uh, quite honestly,
1003
00:46:18,693 --> 00:46:20,194
my feelings are quite negative.
1004
00:46:20,278 --> 00:46:21,487
One of the hardest thing
1005
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:24,198
for Mike to handle
and for the staff to handle,
1006
00:46:24,282 --> 00:46:25,157
the producers to handle,
1007
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:26,742
was the presence of Jerry Rubin.
1008
00:46:26,826 --> 00:46:30,204
Jerry Rubin had a persona
from the media
1009
00:46:30,288 --> 00:46:32,373
which was, uh, pretty wild,
1010
00:46:32,456 --> 00:46:33,457
and John actually talked
1011
00:46:33,541 --> 00:46:36,043
about himself being scared of Jerry.
1012
00:46:36,127 --> 00:46:39,714
Jerry Rubin had
a very interesting approach
1013
00:46:39,797 --> 00:46:40,756
to politics.
1014
00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:44,260
A flair of theater really and of humor.
1015
00:46:44,343 --> 00:46:48,097
The Yippies, you know,
this liberated White people
1016
00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:50,099
that were going to do magical things.
1017
00:46:50,182 --> 00:46:53,561
Well, Jerry Rubin was
a confessed street fighter.
1018
00:46:53,644 --> 00:46:54,979
He believed in demonstrations
1019
00:46:55,062 --> 00:46:57,857
to get attention of the establishment,
1020
00:46:57,940 --> 00:47:00,359
to arouse the masses of the people.
1021
00:47:00,443 --> 00:47:03,612
And when he got invited
on these national shows,
1022
00:47:03,696 --> 00:47:05,740
I'm sure that there
is a lot of nervousness
1023
00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:08,951
as to whether he was going
to disrupt the show.
1024
00:47:09,035 --> 00:47:11,704
Mike also felt pretty strongly
1025
00:47:11,787 --> 00:47:13,539
that Jerry had a lot of opinions
1026
00:47:13,622 --> 00:47:14,623
and a lot of things to say
1027
00:47:14,665 --> 00:47:17,418
that were not in Mike's best interest
1028
00:47:17,501 --> 00:47:18,502
in terms of his audience,
1029
00:47:18,544 --> 00:47:22,590
and so this was a moment
of, uh, trepidation
1030
00:47:22,673 --> 00:47:24,008
for all parties.
1031
00:47:38,689 --> 00:47:42,234
What... what the... what is
the new Jerry Rubin thinking
1032
00:47:42,318 --> 00:47:43,319
about these days?
1033
00:47:43,361 --> 00:47:44,278
I'm glad you asked that.
1034
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,073
Uh, we're gonna support Nixon
for President,
1035
00:47:47,156 --> 00:47:49,742
because, uh, by going to China,
1036
00:47:49,825 --> 00:47:52,036
he's furthering communist revolutions
1037
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:53,037
throughout the world.
1038
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:56,123
I can just imagine
Roger Ailes watching the show
1039
00:47:56,207 --> 00:47:57,458
and hearing that.
1040
00:47:57,541 --> 00:48:00,211
I'm just kidding. I'm really just kidding.
1041
00:48:00,294 --> 00:48:01,170
I'm really just kidding.
1042
00:48:01,212 --> 00:48:02,797
What he's... what he's really done
1043
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,465
is automate the war in Vietnam
1044
00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:07,426
so that it's machines killing people,
1045
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:08,386
uh, created a situation
1046
00:48:08,427 --> 00:48:11,055
where 43 people can be
murdered at Attica,
1047
00:48:11,138 --> 00:48:12,014
um, created a situation
1048
00:48:12,056 --> 00:48:14,642
where four kids can be killed
at Kent State,
1049
00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:15,684
and people are afraid.
1050
00:48:15,726 --> 00:48:17,269
So, um, I'm working very hard
1051
00:48:17,353 --> 00:48:18,771
with people all over the country
1052
00:48:18,854 --> 00:48:19,563
to defeat Nixon.
1053
00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:20,940
I think that's the most important thing.
1054
00:48:21,023 --> 00:48:22,483
So you're not gonna vote
for him, though?
1055
00:48:22,566 --> 00:48:23,859
No, no, not gonna vote for him at all.
1056
00:48:23,943 --> 00:48:25,361
What's different in you
and the movement? Right?
1057
00:48:25,444 --> 00:48:27,822
Let's say people thought the
movement had died, you know?
1058
00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:29,323
Yes. What is the movement?
1059
00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:31,575
What is... what... A,
what is the movement,
1060
00:48:31,659 --> 00:48:32,493
and B, did it die,
1061
00:48:32,535 --> 00:48:35,871
and what are the differences
in it now than four years ago?
1062
00:48:35,955 --> 00:48:37,665
- Can you explain that?
- Wow, I need an hour!
1063
00:48:37,748 --> 00:48:39,375
Well, the movement is everybody I hope
1064
00:48:39,458 --> 00:48:40,501
watching television, you know?
1065
00:48:40,584 --> 00:48:41,877
It doesn't have any narrow definition.
1066
00:48:41,961 --> 00:48:43,254
Now the way the movement's changed,
1067
00:48:43,337 --> 00:48:47,842
is um, the rhetoric has gone calmer,
1068
00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:49,885
because their oppression is so heavy,
1069
00:48:49,969 --> 00:48:53,389
that anybody who does anything
gets arrested, jailed, killed,
1070
00:48:53,472 --> 00:48:55,099
that people are like very pessimistic.
1071
00:48:55,182 --> 00:48:56,934
Wherever you go right now,
there's tremendous pessimism.
1072
00:48:57,017 --> 00:48:58,269
You mean youth in general,
1073
00:48:58,352 --> 00:48:59,603
whether they're ranting or anything,
1074
00:48:59,687 --> 00:49:01,355
just youth in general,
we noticed that amongst youth.
1075
00:49:01,439 --> 00:49:02,982
Just totally pessimistic.
Like there was no hope.
1076
00:49:03,065 --> 00:49:04,150
Whether they're political youth
1077
00:49:04,233 --> 00:49:05,568
or just musical youth,
1078
00:49:05,651 --> 00:49:07,736
there seems to be such an atmosphere
1079
00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:08,737
of apathy around 'em.
1080
00:49:08,779 --> 00:49:10,948
This is the only place in the world,
1081
00:49:11,031 --> 00:49:11,740
if I may say so,
1082
00:49:11,782 --> 00:49:13,492
where a man can say something
like this on television,
1083
00:49:13,576 --> 00:49:14,827
and not go... and not go to jail.
1084
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:17,079
-And also I admit that your...
- No, wait a minute.
1085
00:49:17,163 --> 00:49:18,789
I got five years in jail facing me
1086
00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:21,542
for saying things like this,
so it's not so true.
1087
00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:24,712
I only hear you say what you are
1088
00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:25,671
against in this country.
1089
00:49:25,713 --> 00:49:27,214
What are you...
what do you think this count...
1090
00:49:27,298 --> 00:49:30,384
what do you think is right
about this country?
1091
00:49:30,468 --> 00:49:31,719
I think what's right is the fact
1092
00:49:31,802 --> 00:49:33,053
that there are people in the country
1093
00:49:33,137 --> 00:49:34,805
who want to change it.
1094
00:49:34,889 --> 00:49:37,349
What was your home life like?
1095
00:49:37,433 --> 00:49:38,434
Well, it was...
1096
00:49:38,517 --> 00:49:40,019
Now, this is
a very interesting moment
1097
00:49:40,102 --> 00:49:43,189
because Mike asked
a very honest question
1098
00:49:43,272 --> 00:49:44,273
and was trying to find out
1099
00:49:44,315 --> 00:49:46,609
about Jerry's background, his upbringing.
1100
00:49:46,692 --> 00:49:48,486
Hey, I'm not going for laughter here.
1101
00:49:48,569 --> 00:49:49,570
No, it's a good question.
1102
00:49:49,612 --> 00:49:51,113
It's... I read that in a magazine.
1103
00:49:51,197 --> 00:49:52,865
Uh, my father's a truck driver.
1104
00:49:52,948 --> 00:49:55,826
Um, and a Teamster and, uh, oppressed,
1105
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:58,078
because he worked
like all around the clock
1106
00:49:58,162 --> 00:49:59,079
for very little money.
1107
00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:02,249
My mother was, uh, unhappy
as a housewife, you know.
1108
00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:06,170
And, you know, and that's what I learned.
1109
00:50:06,253 --> 00:50:07,254
I saw it and was a child,
1110
00:50:07,296 --> 00:50:09,256
and I was forced to go
to school, which is boring,
1111
00:50:09,340 --> 00:50:11,717
and which doesn't really educate you.
1112
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,636
And, uh, that's where
the rebellion began.
1113
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,389
Mm-hmm. And your parents
are no longer alive?
1114
00:50:17,473 --> 00:50:18,849
No.
1115
00:50:18,933 --> 00:50:22,353
And, you know, I think that
the system killed my parents,
1116
00:50:22,436 --> 00:50:24,647
just like I think it killed all of us.
1117
00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:26,273
But he's talking about the system,
1118
00:50:26,357 --> 00:50:27,983
and he's not talking about the people.
1119
00:50:28,067 --> 00:50:29,568
You have trust in people, don't you?
1120
00:50:29,652 --> 00:50:30,861
Oh, yeah. I wouldn't be doing this
1121
00:50:30,945 --> 00:50:32,154
if I didn't have trust, you know?
1122
00:50:32,238 --> 00:50:33,280
And you really do love people.
1123
00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:34,907
I mean, the reason for you
to come on the show
1124
00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:36,325
that you know it's going on at 4:30
1125
00:50:36,408 --> 00:50:39,370
and is not an audience
that is geared to see you.
1126
00:50:39,453 --> 00:50:41,372
Is there a reason for me to believe
1127
00:50:41,455 --> 00:50:42,498
that you have trust in enough
1128
00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:43,958
of those people
that are gonna watch you?
1129
00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:45,417
- Absolutely, yeah.
- Yes.
1130
00:50:45,501 --> 00:50:46,961
- As well as...
-And change, you know.
1131
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:48,629
The so-called
movement and so called youth?
1132
00:50:48,712 --> 00:50:49,922
I have... we have a tremendous faith
1133
00:50:50,005 --> 00:50:51,507
in the people in this country.
1134
00:50:51,590 --> 00:50:52,466
But no age group.
1135
00:50:52,508 --> 00:50:54,176
I think this is a beautiful country,
1136
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:55,761
with full of possibilities, you know?
1137
00:50:55,844 --> 00:50:58,597
The children of America
want to change the country,
1138
00:50:58,681 --> 00:50:59,890
and are going to change it.
1139
00:50:59,974 --> 00:51:00,849
That's what's beautiful.
1140
00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:03,185
You know, that there is a future.
1141
00:51:04,436 --> 00:51:06,605
We are completely out of time.
1142
00:51:06,689 --> 00:51:07,773
Thank you, John. Thank you, Yoko.
1143
00:51:07,856 --> 00:51:09,775
Thank you, Jerry. See you tomorrow.
1144
00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:16,448
The Georgia legislature,
Governor Jimmy Carter
1145
00:51:16,532 --> 00:51:18,951
had some praise
for Alabama Governor Wallace.
1146
00:51:19,034 --> 00:51:20,828
Carter's statement
overshadowed.
1147
00:51:20,911 --> 00:51:22,830
Wallace's standard campaign speech,
1148
00:51:22,913 --> 00:51:27,376
which was interrupted
repeatedly by applause.
1149
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:29,044
Hey, Mr. President.
1150
00:51:29,128 --> 00:51:30,170
The shouts came
1151
00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:31,714
from Lieutenant Governor
Lester Maddox,
1152
00:51:31,797 --> 00:51:33,340
who told the standing-room-only crowd
1153
00:51:33,424 --> 00:51:37,720
that George Wallace
could be elected president.
1154
00:51:38,345 --> 00:51:40,306
So welcome please, John Lennon
1155
00:51:40,389 --> 00:51:42,099
and his wife, Yoko Ono.
1156
00:51:59,033 --> 00:52:00,701
Hey.
1157
00:52:00,784 --> 00:52:04,747
Are you going to tell them
what the song is about?
1158
00:52:04,830 --> 00:52:06,206
Okay-
1159
00:52:06,290 --> 00:52:08,167
Today's my... today's my turn
1160
00:52:08,250 --> 00:52:10,836
- and, um...
- Today's her turn to sing.
1161
00:52:10,919 --> 00:52:11,629
Yes, right.
1162
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:13,631
- And it's a song that...
- With the mic, please.
1163
00:52:13,714 --> 00:52:18,344
It's a song that I dedicate
to the sisters in the world
1164
00:52:18,427 --> 00:52:20,137
called "O Sisters, O Sisters."
1165
00:52:20,220 --> 00:52:22,556
Some people thought
she was singing about nuns,
1166
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,016
but it's not about nuns.
1167
00:54:25,846 --> 00:54:28,182
So one of the things
we did with the co-hosts
1168
00:54:28,265 --> 00:54:29,808
on the "Mike Douglas Show"
was ask them
1169
00:54:29,892 --> 00:54:32,561
to give us a list of people
they'd like to meet.
1170
00:54:32,644 --> 00:54:34,021
John and Yoko obviously had
1171
00:54:34,104 --> 00:54:35,355
a very strong political agenda,
1172
00:54:35,439 --> 00:54:39,276
but John also had some
musicians he wanted to meet,
1173
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:42,070
and at the top of that list
was Chuck Berry.
1174
00:54:42,154 --> 00:54:45,949
On the day of the show,
the taping of the show,
1175
00:54:46,033 --> 00:54:48,368
I just by total random chance
1176
00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:50,746
happened to be in the green room
1177
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:53,582
when John and Chuck
encountered each other
1178
00:54:53,665 --> 00:54:54,541
for the first time.
1179
00:54:54,583 --> 00:54:57,586
It was a very powerful moment to watch.
1180
00:54:57,669 --> 00:55:00,255
I think it's interesting
that you... that you chose...
1181
00:55:00,339 --> 00:55:02,174
chosen the guests
that you have this week
1182
00:55:02,257 --> 00:55:03,091
to be on the show.
1183
00:55:03,383 --> 00:55:05,177
And I wish we could have photographed
1184
00:55:05,219 --> 00:55:07,179
the meeting between
John and Chuck Berry.
1185
00:55:07,262 --> 00:55:08,722
- Oh, yeah.
- Oh, that was beautiful. Yes.
1186
00:55:08,806 --> 00:55:10,307
Because he was really
the guy that started
1187
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:11,642
- the whole thing...
- Oh, yeah.
1188
00:55:11,725 --> 00:55:12,142
The whole rock and roll thing.
1189
00:55:12,184 --> 00:55:13,477
I mean, I don't think
there's any-there's any group
1190
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,146
in the world, uh, White or Black,
1191
00:55:16,188 --> 00:55:18,440
but mainly the white kids
were really turned on
1192
00:55:18,524 --> 00:55:19,525
by Chuck Berry, you know?
1193
00:55:19,566 --> 00:55:21,985
And, uh, he was putting out
great records in the '50s.
1194
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:24,488
And not one of us from Beatles
to Stones to...
1195
00:55:24,571 --> 00:55:25,489
you name any top group
1196
00:55:25,531 --> 00:55:26,949
and they've all been influenced by him,
1197
00:55:27,032 --> 00:55:28,283
all done his numbers on records.
1198
00:55:28,367 --> 00:55:29,910
There was one of his
records right then.
1199
00:55:29,993 --> 00:55:31,328
Yeah. That... that was him escaping now.
1200
00:55:31,411 --> 00:55:31,954
Yes.
1201
00:55:31,995 --> 00:55:33,247
- He was - - And he's fantastic.
1202
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:34,665
When we met today, I hadn't met him.
1203
00:55:34,748 --> 00:55:35,958
George and Ringo met him
at some showbiz party
1204
00:55:35,958 --> 00:55:37,459
a long time ago in London.
I'd never met him.
1205
00:55:37,501 --> 00:55:39,127
Today, he walked in the door.
1206
00:55:39,211 --> 00:55:40,128
And I just, you know...
1207
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:41,588
- Yeah.
- I went, "Chuck Berry,"
1208
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:43,006
"my hero." It just came out, you know?
1209
00:55:43,048 --> 00:55:43,465
That's marvelous.
1210
00:55:43,507 --> 00:55:44,800
And he just gets over and he hugs me.
1211
00:55:44,842 --> 00:55:46,093
I was really thrilled, you know?
1212
00:55:46,093 --> 00:55:47,511
- And we were playing...
- He's so together.
1213
00:55:47,553 --> 00:55:48,720
In the back there
playing the dressing room.
1214
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:49,888
He just grabbed me
backstage, says, "I hope"
1215
00:55:49,930 --> 00:55:50,848
we have a... "he said,
"Boy, John Lennon.
1216
00:55:50,848 --> 00:55:51,932
"I hope we have a chance to rap."
1217
00:55:51,974 --> 00:55:53,308
He's the greatest rock and roll poet.
1218
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:54,560
And I really admire him, you know?
1219
00:55:54,852 --> 00:55:56,937
Do you feel the same today as you did
1220
00:55:56,979 --> 00:55:58,230
years ago in Liverpool
1221
00:55:58,313 --> 00:55:59,523
- about rock?
- When I...
1222
00:55:59,565 --> 00:56:00,399
when I hear rock,
1223
00:56:00,858 --> 00:56:02,985
good rock of the caliber of Chuck Berry,
1224
00:56:03,443 --> 00:56:04,736
I just-I just fall apart
1225
00:56:04,862 --> 00:56:06,363
and I have no other interest in life.
1226
00:56:06,405 --> 00:56:07,739
You know? The world could be ending
1227
00:56:08,031 --> 00:56:09,992
if rock and roll is playing. You know?
1228
00:56:10,075 --> 00:56:10,951
It's a disease of mine.
1229
00:56:10,993 --> 00:56:12,619
In the... in the days when he was writing
1230
00:56:12,703 --> 00:56:13,620
and doing those songs,
1231
00:56:13,662 --> 00:56:14,872
those songs didn't have messages.
1232
00:56:14,955 --> 00:56:16,456
- The me... the lyrics were...
- But his lyrics
1233
00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:18,584
were very intelligent lyrics in the '50s.
1234
00:56:18,667 --> 00:56:21,587
When people were just singing
virtually about nothing,
1235
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:23,463
he was writing social comment songs.
1236
00:56:23,547 --> 00:56:25,215
He was writing all kinds of songs
1237
00:56:25,299 --> 00:56:26,675
with incredible meter to the lyrics,
1238
00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:29,636
which influenced Dylan and me
and many other people.
1239
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:31,096
The meter of his lyrics was tremendous
1240
00:56:31,179 --> 00:56:32,598
- and that was in '50s.
- Do all the songs...
1241
00:56:32,681 --> 00:56:33,807
do all the songs that you write
1242
00:56:33,891 --> 00:56:36,018
or have written in the past,
John, have a message?
1243
00:56:36,435 --> 00:56:37,269
Well I think, uh...
1244
00:56:37,603 --> 00:56:38,854
Well it has a spirit, every one.
1245
00:56:38,937 --> 00:56:40,397
In that way, every song
will have a message.
1246
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:41,815
You know? I don't sit down and say,
1247
00:56:41,899 --> 00:56:43,233
"What's today's message?" You know?
1248
00:56:43,317 --> 00:56:44,735
I'm either writing about
something that happened,
1249
00:56:44,818 --> 00:56:48,614
uh, you know... I, I'm either
writing about what's going on
1250
00:56:48,697 --> 00:56:51,074
in the world or what's
happening to me, basically.
1251
00:56:52,492 --> 00:56:54,453
If you were try...
to try and give rock and roll
1252
00:56:54,536 --> 00:56:56,580
another name,
you might call it Chuck Berry.
1253
00:56:56,663 --> 00:56:58,123
- Right.
- Here he is,
1254
00:56:58,206 --> 00:57:01,043
- Chuck Berry.
1255
00:59:00,412 --> 00:59:01,413
- Hello, John!
- Hello!
1256
01:00:11,733 --> 01:00:13,985
I nearly got the words...
words right, right?
1257
01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:16,905
Did you really invent r0... you
invented rock and roll,
1258
01:00:16,988 --> 01:00:18,365
- didn't you?
- Well, I say,
1259
01:00:18,448 --> 01:00:19,324
I'll answer for him.
1260
01:00:19,366 --> 01:00:20,742
He did. You're one of the all-time greats.
1261
01:00:20,826 --> 01:00:23,370
I've heard more people,
before I ever met you, Chuck,
1262
01:00:23,453 --> 01:00:25,997
I... your, you know, your
reputation precedes you
1263
01:00:26,081 --> 01:00:27,624
- wherever you are.
- You know, rock and roll,
1264
01:00:27,707 --> 01:00:29,960
you mentioned rock and roll,
it's named rock and roll.
1265
01:00:30,043 --> 01:00:33,463
But gee, some of our ancestors,
1266
01:00:33,547 --> 01:00:34,589
some of the people before me,
1267
01:00:34,673 --> 01:00:37,259
the people that,
uh, intrigued me with music
1268
01:00:37,342 --> 01:00:40,720
were Louis Jordan and T-Bone Walker,
1269
01:00:40,804 --> 01:00:42,681
and, uh, Freddie Slack,
1270
01:00:42,764 --> 01:00:44,933
these people that I heard, Glenn Miller,
1271
01:00:45,016 --> 01:00:48,937
uh, I should never forget
the beats that they had in.
1272
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:50,480
- You know? And the big bands.
- Yeah.
1273
01:00:50,564 --> 01:00:52,941
And they're the ones that really put
1274
01:00:53,024 --> 01:00:54,025
the spirit here. You know?
1275
01:00:54,067 --> 01:00:55,694
You made some record
with big bands, right?
1276
01:00:55,777 --> 01:00:57,362
- One.
1277
01:00:57,445 --> 01:00:59,739
- Yeah.
1278
01:00:59,823 --> 01:01:02,242
John said your
music had a message.
1279
01:01:02,325 --> 01:01:04,452
- Do you think it did?
- It is a message.
1280
01:01:04,536 --> 01:01:05,745
I really try to make a message.
1281
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:09,666
I really, I can't sing a song,
"Oh, baby, oh, oh baby.
1282
01:01:09,749 --> 01:01:10,417
Don't go.
1283
01:01:10,458 --> 01:01:12,502
Don't go because you know
I love you so."
1284
01:01:12,586 --> 01:01:14,671
I mean, that's understood. You know?
1285
01:01:14,754 --> 01:01:17,924
But he was writing good
lyrics and intelligent lyrics
1286
01:01:18,008 --> 01:01:20,093
in the '50s when people were singing,
1287
01:01:20,177 --> 01:01:21,178
"Oh, baby, I love you so."
1288
01:01:21,219 --> 01:01:23,054
And it was people like him
that influenced
1289
01:01:23,138 --> 01:01:24,681
our generation to try and make sense
1290
01:01:24,764 --> 01:01:26,558
out of the songs rather than just say,
1291
01:01:26,641 --> 01:01:27,642
"Doo wah daddy." You know?
1292
01:01:27,684 --> 01:01:29,060
You know something
that occurred to me?
1293
01:01:29,144 --> 01:01:30,270
When, whenever I see you,
1294
01:01:30,353 --> 01:01:33,148
you're one of the few people
who can go away
1295
01:01:33,231 --> 01:01:34,441
from a recording studio
1296
01:01:34,524 --> 01:01:35,942
and do your thing and it sounds
1297
01:01:36,026 --> 01:01:38,612
at least remotely like what you recorded.
1298
01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:39,613
Some of these groups,
1299
01:01:39,654 --> 01:01:42,073
they get out of the studios
with all the gadgets
1300
01:01:42,157 --> 01:01:43,950
and all the things happening
1301
01:01:44,034 --> 01:01:44,743
and they can't...
1302
01:01:44,784 --> 01:01:46,745
they can't make that sound
again and without...
1303
01:01:46,828 --> 01:01:47,871
Mike, since you mentioned it...
1304
01:01:47,954 --> 01:01:49,372
the age of a recording studio.
1305
01:01:49,456 --> 01:01:50,916
I would much rather perform,
1306
01:01:50,999 --> 01:01:55,462
um, live than... I'd rather
perform live 10 times
1307
01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:56,463
than make a recording.
1308
01:01:56,504 --> 01:02:00,133
Because somehow, playing
to a wall or playing to a mic,
1309
01:02:00,217 --> 01:02:02,886
and that's all, is, uh, it's fictitious.
1310
01:02:02,969 --> 01:02:05,263
- You know? It's not real.
- You're a people lover.
1311
01:02:05,347 --> 01:02:06,431
- That's what.
1312
01:02:06,514 --> 01:02:07,891
- You better believe it.
- You got to hear
1313
01:02:07,974 --> 01:02:09,267
that breathing and see those faces.
1314
01:02:09,351 --> 01:02:11,311
To look in somebody's eyes
and see them bright
1315
01:02:11,394 --> 01:02:14,022
when, uh, when you're striking
a note or something,
1316
01:02:14,105 --> 01:02:15,899
it just calls for another note. You know?
1317
01:02:15,982 --> 01:02:18,109
Don't ever play the same
or do something different.
1318
01:02:18,193 --> 01:02:19,736
You know? If you can't do
something different
1319
01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:21,238
wiggle or something.
Don't do the same thing.
1320
01:02:21,321 --> 01:02:22,781
- You know? Keep it different.
- I don't...
1321
01:02:22,864 --> 01:02:24,491
I don't know if the viewers
out there realize this,
1322
01:02:24,574 --> 01:02:26,618
but this is a first, Chuck Berry
1323
01:02:26,701 --> 01:02:28,203
and John Lennon appearing together.
1324
01:02:28,286 --> 01:02:29,663
In fact, they met only this afternoon.
1325
01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:31,331
- You know, I can never hit...
- This is a first
1326
01:02:31,414 --> 01:02:32,749
- on television.
- I can never shake
1327
01:02:32,832 --> 01:02:34,626
- this guy's hand.
1328
01:02:34,709 --> 01:02:37,587
Chuck Berry!
John Lennon and Yoko Ono!
1329
01:02:37,671 --> 01:02:39,172
We'll be right back!
1330
01:02:45,804 --> 01:02:48,974
When I got the call and heard
1331
01:02:49,057 --> 01:02:50,976
that they were going to do this,
1332
01:02:51,059 --> 01:02:53,353
it blew my mind
1333
01:02:53,436 --> 01:02:59,401
because Mike Douglas
was an afternoon show
1334
01:02:59,484 --> 01:03:00,402
that was bland.
1335
01:03:00,443 --> 01:03:02,904
Yoko, you mentioned you wanted
to have someone on the show
1336
01:03:02,988 --> 01:03:04,948
to talk about macrobiotic, uh, foods.
1337
01:03:05,031 --> 01:03:07,117
And so, my next guest will do just that.
1338
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,369
In fact, she's even going to demonstrate
1339
01:03:09,452 --> 01:03:12,872
how to make a macrobiotic dish.
1340
01:03:12,956 --> 01:03:16,543
Greet Hilary Redleaf.
1341
01:03:19,212 --> 01:03:21,006
Oh, here's the moment.
1342
01:03:21,089 --> 01:03:27,012
Sweet John, he even rises
from his seat, as does Chuck.
1343
01:03:27,804 --> 01:03:30,348
What is uh, a macrobiotic diet?
1344
01:03:30,432 --> 01:03:33,101
Well, it's a different way
of looking at food.
1345
01:03:33,184 --> 01:03:35,270
It's not with vitamins and minerals.
1346
01:03:35,353 --> 01:03:37,564
It's a way of balancing one's food
1347
01:03:37,647 --> 01:03:38,898
with one's environment.
1348
01:03:38,982 --> 01:03:41,151
Frankly, I was nervous.
1349
01:03:41,234 --> 01:03:42,777
I was clinging to...
1350
01:03:42,861 --> 01:03:45,572
just be here.
1351
01:03:45,655 --> 01:03:46,573
This is gonna be fine.
1352
01:03:46,614 --> 01:03:48,158
And how did the whole thing
start originally?
1353
01:03:48,241 --> 01:03:51,286
Well, all countries
have macrobiotic diets.
1354
01:03:51,369 --> 01:03:53,455
In our industrialized society,
1355
01:03:53,538 --> 01:03:55,332
we have frozen everything,
1356
01:03:55,415 --> 01:03:56,833
- flown everything to us.
- Yeah.
1357
01:03:56,916 --> 01:03:59,377
And native cultures
eat what's around them.
1358
01:03:59,461 --> 01:04:00,545
And when it's cold in the winter,
1359
01:04:00,628 --> 01:04:02,630
they eat what they have
to keep them warm.
1360
01:04:02,714 --> 01:04:04,966
They don't eat, uh, you know, ice water
1361
01:04:05,050 --> 01:04:06,468
because they don't have freezers.
1362
01:04:06,551 --> 01:04:07,594
You know? In the winter and...
1363
01:04:07,677 --> 01:04:09,012
Everything's natural, you know.
1364
01:04:09,095 --> 01:04:11,639
Naturally in warm, um, climate,
1365
01:04:11,723 --> 01:04:13,099
you need more sugar. You know?
1366
01:04:13,183 --> 01:04:14,809
-And so...
- Natural sugar.
1367
01:04:14,893 --> 01:04:16,019
The, the nature is naturally,
1368
01:04:16,102 --> 01:04:17,854
you know, it's sort of balancing it.
1369
01:04:17,937 --> 01:04:19,230
'Cause nature makes a balance.
1370
01:04:19,314 --> 01:04:20,190
The seasons change.
1371
01:04:20,231 --> 01:04:22,275
And if we can concentrate
and make an effort
1372
01:04:22,359 --> 01:04:25,070
in our cooking, we can balance ourselves
1373
01:04:25,153 --> 01:04:25,945
with the seasons
1374
01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:27,989
and with the environment around us
1375
01:04:28,073 --> 01:04:30,617
and make harmony with nature
1376
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:31,868
and, and have peace.
1377
01:04:31,951 --> 01:04:34,746
You know, farm to table,
1378
01:04:34,829 --> 01:04:36,915
you know, organic food.
1379
01:04:36,998 --> 01:04:42,253
I mean, in 1972, this was very far out.
1380
01:04:42,337 --> 01:04:43,671
- May I call you Hilary?
- Please.
1381
01:04:43,755 --> 01:04:45,006
Can we go over here? I understand
1382
01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:46,132
we're gonna prepare something.
1383
01:04:46,216 --> 01:04:47,342
- Yes.
- And why don't we all...
1384
01:04:47,425 --> 01:04:48,718
Shall we all go in the kitchen?
1385
01:04:48,802 --> 01:04:50,303
So, we finally get
over to this part
1386
01:04:50,387 --> 01:04:52,597
and I don't even know how I knew
1387
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,516
how to do this, to be honest.
1388
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:55,850
You can share mine.
1389
01:04:55,934 --> 01:04:56,810
You have to have it.
1390
01:04:56,851 --> 01:04:58,395
We don't have much to...
what are we going to make?
1391
01:04:58,478 --> 01:05:01,106
We're going to make something
called Hijiki egg roll.
1392
01:05:01,189 --> 01:05:03,400
- A what?
- Hijiki egg roll.
1393
01:05:03,483 --> 01:05:04,192
Hijiki egg roll.
1394
01:05:04,234 --> 01:05:06,986
We have to have a calm,
peaceful, loving attitude
1395
01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:08,071
about this, or else the food
1396
01:05:08,154 --> 01:05:09,697
- is gonna be very chaotic.
- Oh, Joe...
1397
01:05:09,781 --> 01:05:11,491
Joe, we have to have a calm,
peaceful, loving attitude.
1398
01:05:11,574 --> 01:05:13,076
Can you play something
that's calm and peaceful?
1399
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,370
Because... that's part
of the vibration in the food,
1400
01:05:15,453 --> 01:05:17,914
because if you have to make something,
1401
01:05:17,997 --> 01:05:20,708
the cook's intention
and concentrated effort
1402
01:05:20,792 --> 01:05:21,793
goes into the final product.
1403
01:05:21,876 --> 01:05:23,294
- So with that in mind...
- No, you're right
1404
01:05:23,378 --> 01:05:24,671
- about that.
- Is that seaweed
1405
01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,172
- that I'm looking at?
- This is seaweed.
1406
01:05:26,256 --> 01:05:27,173
This is called hijiki.
1407
01:05:27,215 --> 01:05:29,008
And this is the first ingredient.
1408
01:05:29,092 --> 01:05:32,220
And we soak it in water
until it looks like this.
1409
01:05:32,303 --> 01:05:33,304
It kind of puffs up a lot.
1410
01:05:33,388 --> 01:05:36,182
Then we have carrots
and we try to maintain
1411
01:05:36,266 --> 01:05:38,351
the balance that nature creates.
1412
01:05:38,435 --> 01:05:39,769
And as you see, some are cut.
1413
01:05:39,853 --> 01:05:42,689
Okay. Now, Mike is gonna
help me cut onions.
1414
01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:44,274
- Is he?
1415
01:05:44,357 --> 01:05:45,817
He was eating them today, right?
1416
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:46,901
- Yeah.
- Okay.
1417
01:05:46,943 --> 01:05:48,153
Why do I always get the onion?
1418
01:05:48,236 --> 01:05:51,072
John was definitely...
he was beautiful.
1419
01:05:51,156 --> 01:05:53,116
He was really interested in it.
1420
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:53,867
Yoko, too.
1421
01:05:53,908 --> 01:05:55,577
Chuck was like along for the ride.
1422
01:05:55,660 --> 01:05:56,953
What's John making? He have to -
1423
01:05:57,036 --> 01:05:58,455
After she's finished, you're gonna...
1424
01:05:58,538 --> 01:05:59,747
you're gonna fry them up.
1425
01:05:59,831 --> 01:06:02,292
- I'm gonna fry them up?
- Yup.
1426
01:06:03,126 --> 01:06:04,210
You know, this, this looks like
1427
01:06:04,294 --> 01:06:05,837
a soul brother pizza, really.
1428
01:06:07,172 --> 01:06:08,882
- A soul brother pizza?
- Yeah.
1429
01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:10,091
Right. Would you like?
1430
01:06:10,175 --> 01:06:11,301
Yes, I would love it.
1431
01:06:11,384 --> 01:06:13,261
- Didn't eat today.
- Thank you.
1432
01:06:13,344 --> 01:06:14,637
You dip it in the sauce, okay?
1433
01:06:14,721 --> 01:06:16,681
Well, how do they taste?
1434
01:06:17,515 --> 01:06:18,892
- How is it going?
- You see,
1435
01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:20,351
this is gonna become part of your body
1436
01:06:20,435 --> 01:06:22,228
so it's important that you have...
1437
01:06:23,354 --> 01:06:24,647
It's important that you get to know it.
1438
01:06:24,731 --> 01:06:27,233
- What part?
- Your blood.
1439
01:06:27,317 --> 01:06:28,485
- Your muscles.
- This is goo-
1440
01:06:28,568 --> 01:06:29,777
- my muscles?
- Well, sure.
1441
01:06:29,861 --> 01:06:31,613
I think you should chew it a lot.
1442
01:06:31,696 --> 01:06:33,156
Yes, and you should
chew it well.
1443
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:34,449
How come it gets larger as I chew?
1444
01:06:34,532 --> 01:06:35,533
Hilary Redleaf. Thank you.
1445
01:06:35,575 --> 01:06:37,702
Hilary, thank you. It's beautiful food.
1446
01:06:37,785 --> 01:06:39,162
Thank you.
1447
01:06:42,457 --> 01:06:43,666
So this is an artifact
1448
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:47,629
that I didn't even remember that I had,
1449
01:06:47,712 --> 01:06:50,215
and it's the pay stub
1450
01:06:50,298 --> 01:06:53,092
from the honorarium that I received
1451
01:06:53,176 --> 01:06:54,385
for being on the show.
1452
01:06:54,469 --> 01:06:56,179
It says, "Mike Douglas Entertainment"
1453
01:06:56,262 --> 01:06:59,557
on the top, so maybe that's why I kept it.
1454
01:06:59,641 --> 01:07:02,894
Like, okay, this really happened.
1455
01:07:03,478 --> 01:07:07,524
I cashed the check.
1456
01:07:25,124 --> 01:07:27,544
Tell me what I'm getting into.
1457
01:07:27,627 --> 01:07:31,798
You're about to see something
very new and unusual,
1458
01:07:31,881 --> 01:07:36,719
how someone might be able
to learn to control aspects
1459
01:07:36,803 --> 01:07:37,804
of their brain waves,
1460
01:07:37,845 --> 01:07:39,973
which is related to their general state,
1461
01:07:40,056 --> 01:07:42,809
by putting electrodes on Mike Douglas
1462
01:07:42,892 --> 01:07:46,396
for a little demo
and then on John and Yoko.
1463
01:07:46,479 --> 01:07:47,605
I'm gonna then join them
1464
01:07:47,689 --> 01:07:49,566
and play a little bit on a keyboard.
1465
01:07:49,649 --> 01:07:50,900
Sort of an envelope around it
1466
01:07:50,984 --> 01:07:53,486
to make it a musical experience.
1467
01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:55,613
And we're going to have
to do this quickly
1468
01:07:55,697 --> 01:07:58,992
in a very compacted
TV show time frame.
1469
01:07:59,075 --> 01:08:01,703
Why didn't
you say this 50 years ago?
1470
01:08:04,122 --> 01:08:05,039
David, welcome.
1471
01:08:05,081 --> 01:08:07,625
- Thank you. Thank you.
1472
01:08:07,709 --> 01:08:09,877
Yes, can you explain to our viewers
1473
01:08:09,961 --> 01:08:11,879
please what biofeedback is?
1474
01:08:11,963 --> 01:08:15,717
Biofeedback is a new process,
uh, that's been made possible
1475
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:19,220
by advances in technology,
by which a person can listen
1476
01:08:19,304 --> 01:08:22,599
to his own internal
physiological processes.
1477
01:08:22,682 --> 01:08:25,518
And, uh, by listening to it,
he can learn about it
1478
01:08:25,602 --> 01:08:27,186
and, uh, begin to learn to control
1479
01:08:27,270 --> 01:08:28,730
some that he may not be in control of.
1480
01:08:28,813 --> 01:08:31,649
Do some people respond
to this better than others?
1481
01:08:31,733 --> 01:08:32,692
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
1482
01:08:32,734 --> 01:08:33,776
For example alpha brain waves,
1483
01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:35,737
there's been a lot of publicity about that.
1484
01:08:35,820 --> 01:08:38,031
And we know that if you're high strung
1485
01:08:38,114 --> 01:08:39,616
and nervous and things like that,
1486
01:08:39,699 --> 01:08:41,618
uh, you may have a hard time at first.
1487
01:08:41,701 --> 01:08:42,577
You can learn to do it.
1488
01:08:42,619 --> 01:08:43,870
It may take you a little longer.
1489
01:08:43,953 --> 01:08:45,288
You have to learn how to be a person
1490
01:08:45,371 --> 01:08:47,123
by not trying to be a person, you know?
1491
01:08:47,206 --> 01:08:48,458
What would it be like if a stone
1492
01:08:48,541 --> 01:08:50,710
had to try to be a stone, you know?
1493
01:08:50,793 --> 01:08:53,546
You know, why is a stone a stone?
1494
01:08:53,630 --> 01:08:54,213
Yeah.
1495
01:08:54,255 --> 01:08:56,507
David played me a tape of he
and his friends performing
1496
01:08:56,591 --> 01:08:58,051
with the alpha wave on the head.
1497
01:08:58,134 --> 01:09:00,928
And, uh, I think they used
a keyboard as well.
1498
01:09:01,012 --> 01:09:02,972
And I was asking him, uh, could I do it
1499
01:09:03,056 --> 01:09:04,432
with a guitar and rock and roll?
1500
01:09:04,515 --> 01:09:07,685
And if we could learn it,
we could do it eventually.
1501
01:09:07,769 --> 01:09:08,603
It'd be fantastic.
1502
01:09:08,645 --> 01:09:12,857
The process
of doing it was a bit scary,
1503
01:09:12,940 --> 01:09:15,276
that could we make this work?
1504
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,403
Of course, we were audacious.
1505
01:09:17,487 --> 01:09:19,322
We wanted to do these things.
1506
01:09:19,405 --> 01:09:21,115
So let's, so why not try it?
1507
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:22,241
I have to put some paste on it
1508
01:09:22,325 --> 01:09:24,243
so it makes a good electrical contact.
1509
01:09:24,327 --> 01:09:26,037
I hope my Alpha's all right.
1510
01:09:28,331 --> 01:09:30,124
He might be. That machine...
1511
01:09:30,208 --> 01:09:31,459
What's the song called, this one
1512
01:09:31,542 --> 01:09:33,294
I referred to that you composed?
1513
01:09:33,378 --> 01:09:34,712
- What, this thing?
- Yeah.
1514
01:09:34,796 --> 01:09:35,838
This thing we're gonna do now?
1515
01:09:35,922 --> 01:09:37,340
This is going to be improvised completely
1516
01:09:37,423 --> 01:09:38,716
out of whatever comes out of our head
1517
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:39,634
and whatever David
1518
01:09:39,676 --> 01:09:41,052
- does on the keyboard.
- All right. Yeah.
1519
01:09:41,135 --> 01:09:42,178
Complete improvisation.
1520
01:09:42,261 --> 01:09:43,846
This is... see, David was talking to us
1521
01:09:43,930 --> 01:09:45,890
also privately about a lot of this,
1522
01:09:45,973 --> 01:09:48,393
the state of alpha is often a state
1523
01:09:48,476 --> 01:09:49,477
that musicians will get into
1524
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:50,812
when they're jamming, you know?
1525
01:09:50,895 --> 01:09:52,230
Whether it's rock and roll or jazz.
1526
01:09:52,313 --> 01:09:53,773
And they'll get into a certain jam session,
1527
01:09:53,856 --> 01:09:55,692
and then the music
will sort of take them higher.
1528
01:09:55,775 --> 01:09:57,568
And uh, that state of mind
1529
01:09:57,652 --> 01:09:58,528
is the state of mind
1530
01:09:58,569 --> 01:09:59,904
that gives you the control over this.
1531
01:09:59,987 --> 01:10:02,156
- You know?
- That's wild.
1532
01:10:05,785 --> 01:10:08,538
Now turn on the sound
and see what...
1533
01:10:08,621 --> 01:10:11,958
-Am I star...
1534
01:10:13,710 --> 01:10:15,503
There goes Yoko. Hear it?
1535
01:10:15,586 --> 01:10:17,547
Hear that sound?
1536
01:10:18,131 --> 01:10:19,048
You hear it?
1537
01:10:23,052 --> 01:10:25,930
That is eerie, isn't it?
1538
01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:56,002
There was a meeting of minds
1539
01:10:56,085 --> 01:11:00,256
and spirits and creative energies.
1540
01:11:00,339 --> 01:11:05,303
A very wonderful, resonant unity.
1541
01:11:36,209 --> 01:11:40,213
John and Yoko achieved
a very significant focus
1542
01:11:40,296 --> 01:11:42,465
in a really short period of time.
1543
01:11:42,548 --> 01:11:44,592
I only wish we could have done it
1544
01:11:44,675 --> 01:11:46,677
for a longer period of time.
1545
01:12:01,025 --> 01:12:03,820
I just have enough time
to thank Chuck Berry,
1546
01:12:03,903 --> 01:12:06,405
Hilary Redleaf and David Rosenboom.
1547
01:12:06,489 --> 01:12:08,908
And, of course, Yoko Ono
and John Lennon
1548
01:12:08,991 --> 01:12:10,993
and Chuck, thank you for joining us.
1549
01:12:11,077 --> 01:12:12,119
This was really a first today,
1550
01:12:12,203 --> 01:12:13,996
you two guys together, were too much.
1551
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,915
Thank you. Bye-bye.
1552
01:12:18,292 --> 01:12:21,087
Yes, I think there was a utopian agenda.
1553
01:12:21,170 --> 01:12:24,549
There was an idealism
that came out of that time
1554
01:12:24,632 --> 01:12:28,553
that John and Yoko were absolutely, um,
1555
01:12:28,636 --> 01:12:30,513
promoting and pushing
1556
01:12:30,596 --> 01:12:33,349
and saying, "Why not?"
1557
01:12:36,227 --> 01:12:37,728
The White House said Mr. Nixon made
1558
01:12:37,812 --> 01:12:39,772
an announcement today
which puts him squarely
1559
01:12:39,856 --> 01:12:41,858
on the side of those who oppose busing
1560
01:12:41,941 --> 01:12:46,028
as a means to achieve
racial balance in schools.
1561
01:12:46,112 --> 01:12:47,738
I've called on the President
1562
01:12:47,822 --> 01:12:49,824
to end the busing
1563
01:12:49,907 --> 01:12:51,826
by executive order.
1564
01:12:51,951 --> 01:12:54,120
What followed
were some of the most violent
1565
01:12:54,203 --> 01:12:56,247
protests against busing that have yet
1566
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:58,207
to be seen in the North.
1567
01:13:01,836 --> 01:13:04,839
Hi. Welcome back.
Uh, Yoko, why don't you, uh...
1568
01:13:04,922 --> 01:13:06,465
if you will start at the beginning. Tell...
1569
01:13:06,549 --> 01:13:08,217
because maybe somebody
hasn't been with us,
1570
01:13:08,301 --> 01:13:11,512
- uh, might just be joining.
- This cup is a broken cup.
1571
01:13:11,596 --> 01:13:13,556
Every day we're just sort of
putting it together.
1572
01:13:13,639 --> 01:13:15,391
May I ask you something?
Because even though
1573
01:13:15,474 --> 01:13:16,350
I know you very well
1574
01:13:16,392 --> 01:13:18,352
and I still haven't quite
understood it. You see?
1575
01:13:18,436 --> 01:13:20,062
- I know you broke it.
- Why has she broke it
1576
01:13:20,146 --> 01:13:21,564
- in the first place?
- But sticking it
1577
01:13:21,647 --> 01:13:23,065
together again, now, what, what's the...
1578
01:13:23,149 --> 01:13:24,150
Well, the idea is that, uh,
1579
01:13:24,233 --> 01:13:26,652
- you start with a broken cup.
- The actual doing it?
1580
01:13:26,736 --> 01:13:27,987
The actual physically doing it?
1581
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:31,240
Right. And also, everybody
doing it together, actually.
1582
01:13:31,324 --> 01:13:32,575
Now, you should do part of it...
1583
01:13:32,658 --> 01:13:34,118
- Well, we should.
- We should tell
1584
01:13:34,201 --> 01:13:35,578
the young people around the country
1585
01:13:35,661 --> 01:13:36,871
not to break mama's china - right?
1586
01:13:36,954 --> 01:13:38,497
This is what you do
with the broken one there.
1587
01:13:38,581 --> 01:13:39,999
No, but try with a broken one. You know?
1588
01:13:40,082 --> 01:13:41,500
- I see.
- Already broken.
1589
01:13:41,584 --> 01:13:42,793
What's this? Is this for me?
1590
01:13:42,877 --> 01:13:44,462
I live with her, you know?
I still don't get it.
1591
01:13:44,545 --> 01:13:46,255
Yes, that is actually, a present for you.
1592
01:13:47,048 --> 01:13:50,384
- You should read it.
- It says "a box of smile.
1593
01:13:50,468 --> 01:13:51,761
Yoko Ono. 1967."
1594
01:13:51,844 --> 01:13:53,471
Now what am I...
do I smile as I look in it?
1595
01:13:53,554 --> 01:13:55,598
Well, why don't you open it
and see what it is?
1596
01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:57,058
- Okay.
- You might just smile in it.
1597
01:13:57,141 --> 01:13:58,893
It's not a jack in the box, now?
1598
01:13:58,976 --> 01:14:00,978
Well, let's see.
1599
01:14:01,062 --> 01:14:03,522
Yeah. Oh, there is a smile. Yes.
1600
01:14:03,606 --> 01:14:05,232
Really? ls there a smile in it?
1601
01:14:05,316 --> 01:14:07,151
- But it's mine.
- Oh, great.
1602
01:14:07,234 --> 01:14:08,069
Yeah. That's nice.
1603
01:14:08,110 --> 01:14:09,570
Well, I thought maybe we should all put
1604
01:14:09,654 --> 01:14:11,155
- a smile in it. You know?
- Okay.
1605
01:14:11,238 --> 01:14:12,490
- Instead of autographs.
- We put one in.
1606
01:14:12,573 --> 01:14:14,700
That's a present for you from both of us.
1607
01:14:14,784 --> 01:14:17,036
- Yes.
- And there's our smile.
1608
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:19,205
Can I have one more, John?
1609
01:14:19,288 --> 01:14:20,706
- There we go.
- There's one with teeth.
1610
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:22,333
You know,
as you watch these shows,
1611
01:14:22,416 --> 01:14:24,418
you're going to see
the comfort level growing
1612
01:14:24,502 --> 01:14:27,755
between John and Mike
actually becoming friends.
1613
01:14:27,838 --> 01:14:29,840
And John is very open.
1614
01:14:29,924 --> 01:14:31,342
You know what I'd like to ask, John?
1615
01:14:31,425 --> 01:14:32,969
I haven't found out... I've read...
1616
01:14:33,052 --> 01:14:34,971
I was reading the book, "The Beatles."
1617
01:14:35,054 --> 01:14:37,390
Oh, the Hunter Davies
book, you mean?
1618
01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:38,808
Yes. And, uh,
1619
01:14:38,891 --> 01:14:40,935
your father left you and your mother
1620
01:14:41,018 --> 01:14:42,520
- at a... at a very tender age.
- Yeah.
1621
01:14:42,603 --> 01:14:44,188
And you were... you were raised
by an aunt,
1622
01:14:44,271 --> 01:14:45,731
- weren't you?
- I was raised by my auntie.
1623
01:14:45,815 --> 01:14:47,942
My father and my mother split
when I was about four.
1624
01:14:48,025 --> 01:14:49,527
I had... I spent some time with mother
1625
01:14:49,610 --> 01:14:51,821
up till about four, then my father split.
1626
01:14:51,904 --> 01:14:53,572
He was a merchant seaman. You know?
1627
01:14:53,656 --> 01:14:55,825
You can imagine and it was 1940s
1628
01:14:55,908 --> 01:14:56,784
in the war and all that.
1629
01:14:56,826 --> 01:14:59,161
He left and I was brought up
by an auntie.
1630
01:14:59,245 --> 01:15:02,123
-And then I, uh...
-And then he... didn't he, uh...
1631
01:15:02,206 --> 01:15:03,457
He turned up after I was famous.
1632
01:15:03,541 --> 01:15:05,084
- After you were famous.
- You know, which I wasn't
1633
01:15:05,167 --> 01:15:06,961
- very pleased about. 'Cause...
- And you didn't really open
1634
01:15:07,044 --> 01:15:09,088
the door to him right away
at that point, did you?
1635
01:15:09,171 --> 01:15:10,840
He knew where I was all my life
1636
01:15:10,923 --> 01:15:13,759
up till I was... I mean,
I lived in the same house
1637
01:15:13,843 --> 01:15:15,344
in the same place
and he knew I was living
1638
01:15:15,428 --> 01:15:17,471
with that auntie for most of my childhood
1639
01:15:17,555 --> 01:15:19,974
up till 24 or 25 it was before I really...
1640
01:15:20,057 --> 01:15:21,600
- we made it big.
- And he never visited you?
1641
01:15:21,684 --> 01:15:23,436
And I thought it was a bit
suspicious that he turned up
1642
01:15:23,519 --> 01:15:25,104
- after I'd made it. You know?
- Yeah.
1643
01:15:25,187 --> 01:15:26,939
He looks like a little one of me, only.
1644
01:15:27,023 --> 01:15:28,816
He's only five foot tall. You know?
1645
01:15:28,899 --> 01:15:30,109
- Five feet?
- He's 5'1".
1646
01:15:30,192 --> 01:15:31,527
What is he... what is he
doing now, John?
1647
01:15:31,610 --> 01:15:34,113
Uh, I guess he's retired. He just married
1648
01:15:34,196 --> 01:15:36,782
a 23-year-old girl. You know?
1649
01:15:36,866 --> 01:15:39,118
He's had another son,
so he's getting on fine now.
1650
01:15:39,201 --> 01:15:40,619
See what you're in for? No, no, no.
1651
01:15:40,703 --> 01:15:42,413
They're a lot of ravers, those Lennons.
1652
01:15:42,496 --> 01:15:44,165
Hey, yeah, we can't talk about that.
1653
01:15:44,248 --> 01:15:45,249
How old is your father now?
1654
01:15:45,332 --> 01:15:47,752
I guess he must be in his 60s.
I really don't know. You know?
1655
01:15:47,835 --> 01:15:50,046
And then, uh, when I was 16,
I reestablished
1656
01:15:50,129 --> 01:15:52,923
a relationship with my mother
for about four years.
1657
01:15:53,007 --> 01:15:53,924
She taught me music.
1658
01:15:53,966 --> 01:15:55,468
She first of all taught me the banjo.
1659
01:15:55,551 --> 01:15:56,886
And from that I progressed to guitar.
1660
01:15:56,969 --> 01:15:59,055
She... the first song I learned
was "Ain't That a Shame,"
1661
01:15:59,138 --> 01:16:00,598
an old rock hit, Fats Domino.
1662
01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:02,516
And then unfortunately,
she was, uh, run over
1663
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,561
by an off-duty policeman,
who was drunk at the time.
1664
01:16:05,644 --> 01:16:08,481
And in spite of all that,
I still don't have a hate
1665
01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:10,649
for pigs attitude or hate cop attitude.
1666
01:16:10,733 --> 01:16:12,943
But, uh, it was very hard
for me at that time.
1667
01:16:13,027 --> 01:16:14,820
And, uh, I really had a chip
on my shoulder,
1668
01:16:14,904 --> 01:16:17,198
and it still comes out
now and then. You know?
1669
01:16:17,281 --> 01:16:19,408
Because it's a... it's a strange life to lead.
1670
01:16:19,492 --> 01:16:21,869
But in general, uh,
I've gotten my own family now.
1671
01:16:21,952 --> 01:16:23,954
- Not these days.
- That's Yoko and she made up
1672
01:16:24,038 --> 01:16:25,581
- for all that pain.
- Interesting that we were
1673
01:16:25,664 --> 01:16:26,916
talking about your aunt because, uh,
1674
01:16:26,999 --> 01:16:28,584
this is a very interesting quote.
1675
01:16:28,667 --> 01:16:30,044
- I know. I guessed it.
- May I?
1676
01:16:30,127 --> 01:16:31,545
- Go on.
- Did you? "I never forgave
1677
01:16:31,629 --> 01:16:34,006
her for not treating me like a genius
1678
01:16:34,090 --> 01:16:36,133
or whatever I was when I was a child."
1679
01:16:36,217 --> 01:16:38,594
Her husband died and she was
looking after me on her own.
1680
01:16:38,677 --> 01:16:40,721
She wanted to keep up
this semi-detached house
1681
01:16:40,805 --> 01:16:43,390
and not go down. And so,
we took in students in.
1682
01:16:43,474 --> 01:16:46,685
And she always wanted me be
a rugby type
1683
01:16:46,769 --> 01:16:47,937
or a chemist. You know?
1684
01:16:48,020 --> 01:16:49,480
And I was writing poetry and painting
1685
01:16:49,563 --> 01:16:51,774
and singing since, uh, since she had me.
1686
01:16:51,857 --> 01:16:53,526
And all the time I used to fight and say,
1687
01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:54,527
"Look, I'm an artist.
1688
01:16:54,568 --> 01:16:56,570
Don't bug me with all
this maths and don't try
1689
01:16:56,654 --> 01:16:58,948
and make me into a chemist or a vet.
1690
01:16:59,031 --> 01:17:00,407
I can't do it. You know? I have to be..."
1691
01:17:00,491 --> 01:17:02,868
And I used to say,
"Don't you destroy my papers."
1692
01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:04,411
You know? I'd come home
when I was 14
1693
01:17:04,495 --> 01:17:07,623
and she'd rooted all my things
and thrown all my poetry out.
1694
01:17:07,706 --> 01:17:09,208
I said, "One day I'll be famous
1695
01:17:09,291 --> 01:17:10,417
and you're going to regret it."
1696
01:17:10,501 --> 01:17:12,253
But the best quote she ever said was,
1697
01:17:12,336 --> 01:17:14,088
"The guitar's all right for a hobby, John,
1698
01:17:14,171 --> 01:17:15,548
but you'll never make a living at it."
1699
01:17:15,631 --> 01:17:17,925
- Oh. Oh.
- So, some fan in America
1700
01:17:18,008 --> 01:17:20,052
had that framed on steel
and sent it to her.
1701
01:17:20,136 --> 01:17:21,428
She has it in the house I bought her
1702
01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:23,973
and she has that looking
at her all the time.
1703
01:17:27,393 --> 01:17:29,395
Here's a young lady
that I got to know
1704
01:17:29,478 --> 01:17:31,063
when we worked together in Las Vegas.
1705
01:17:31,147 --> 01:17:33,315
She creates an excitement
when she works.
1706
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:34,775
And you'll feel it immediately.
1707
01:17:34,859 --> 01:17:36,443
- Oh, I agree.
- Yes. And she's got
1708
01:17:36,527 --> 01:17:39,572
the ability to sing opera
if she were taught about it.
1709
01:17:39,655 --> 01:17:41,240
- Oh, sure. Yes.
- But believe me,
1710
01:17:41,323 --> 01:17:42,700
you're going to hear more soul now
1711
01:17:42,783 --> 01:17:44,160
than you've heard in a long time.
1712
01:17:44,243 --> 01:17:45,744
Here's Vivian Reed.
1713
01:17:50,082 --> 01:17:53,294
Uh-uh, you can get nastier
than that. Do it again.
1714
01:18:00,676 --> 01:18:04,555
Coming into show
business is not easy.
1715
01:18:04,638 --> 01:18:08,225
I think the biggest thing
for me is that women
1716
01:18:08,309 --> 01:18:10,477
were starting to come into their own
1717
01:18:10,561 --> 01:18:16,567
and... which really at that time
or at any time
1718
01:18:16,817 --> 01:18:19,528
was very important and is important
1719
01:18:19,612 --> 01:18:22,114
because back then
1720
01:18:22,198 --> 01:18:23,991
we were not taken seriously.
1721
01:18:24,074 --> 01:18:27,036
It was a man's world.
1722
01:20:06,552 --> 01:20:10,180
- Yes!
1723
01:20:11,974 --> 01:20:13,892
When I look at myself singing.
1724
01:20:13,976 --> 01:20:17,771
"His Eye is on the Sparrow," I sang it...
1725
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:36,081
And that worked for me back then.
1726
01:20:36,415 --> 01:20:39,001
But today...
1727
01:20:39,084 --> 01:20:40,127
I go-.-...
1728
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:04,276
There's a difference.
1729
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:05,778
There's a difference.
1730
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:10,699
Vivian Reed.
1731
01:21:10,783 --> 01:21:12,785
We'll be right back.
1732
01:21:22,169 --> 01:21:23,712
The man we're going to introduce
1733
01:21:23,796 --> 01:21:25,172
is a good friend of ours
1734
01:21:25,255 --> 01:21:26,965
and also of yours I hope.
1735
01:21:27,049 --> 01:21:28,634
The man is Bobby Seale, the chairman
1736
01:21:28,717 --> 01:21:30,969
of the Black Panther Party
and here he is.
1737
01:21:31,053 --> 01:21:32,179
Bobby Seale.
1738
01:21:42,606 --> 01:21:45,067
I had no idea
1739
01:21:45,150 --> 01:21:50,155
that Bobby Seale was gonna be
on this show.
1740
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,032
I said, "Bobby Seale, what?"
1741
01:21:52,116 --> 01:21:55,619
Did you really do standup
comedy at one time,
1742
01:21:55,702 --> 01:21:57,329
as John pointed out?
I wasn't aware of that.
1743
01:21:57,413 --> 01:21:59,248
- Did I get it right?
- Yeah, I did do that.
1744
01:21:59,331 --> 01:22:01,875
- Yeah.
- That's tough, isn't it?
1745
01:22:01,959 --> 01:22:02,918
- Reality?
1746
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,421
- Not to me.
- Mike had a comfort level
1747
01:22:05,504 --> 01:22:06,755
with Bobby Seale that he did not have
1748
01:22:06,839 --> 01:22:09,758
with some of the other guests
that John and Yoko brought.
1749
01:22:09,842 --> 01:22:11,218
And actually, Mike to me,
1750
01:22:11,301 --> 01:22:13,137
felt a little more comfortable
than Bobby felt.
1751
01:22:13,220 --> 01:22:17,433
You group is into some very
new and positive projects.
1752
01:22:17,516 --> 01:22:19,268
Now the food program and the...
1753
01:22:19,351 --> 01:22:20,686
and the addition of the shoe program.
1754
01:22:20,769 --> 01:22:24,898
Well actually, we have, uh,
15 survival programs.
1755
01:22:24,982 --> 01:22:27,401
Uh, we have a sickle
cell anemia foundation
1756
01:22:27,484 --> 01:22:28,485
and we work in conjunction
1757
01:22:28,527 --> 01:22:30,946
with the Mid Peninsula Sickle
Cell Anemia Foundation,
1758
01:22:31,029 --> 01:22:32,739
uh, implementing
the slide elution method
1759
01:22:32,823 --> 01:22:34,158
in all our clinics where we've tested
1760
01:22:34,241 --> 01:22:36,660
nearly 30,000, uh,
Black people in this country.
1761
01:22:36,743 --> 01:22:38,287
Are you getting
any government help?
1762
01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:41,081
No. The press done
one of the dirtiest things
1763
01:22:41,165 --> 01:22:43,041
to the Black Panther Party five years ago
1764
01:22:43,125 --> 01:22:44,585
when it first started when they first said
1765
01:22:44,668 --> 01:22:46,503
that the Black Panther Party
picked up guns
1766
01:22:46,587 --> 01:22:48,714
to go into the white community
to kill white people.
1767
01:22:48,797 --> 01:22:50,007
Now, we've been here five years
1768
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:51,592
and we've never done that
and that was never
1769
01:22:51,675 --> 01:22:52,968
our intention in the first place.
1770
01:22:53,051 --> 01:22:55,804
Our intention was to defend
ourselves against unjust
1771
01:22:55,888 --> 01:22:57,931
brutalizing racist attacks that occur
1772
01:22:58,015 --> 01:22:59,433
upon Black people
in the Black community
1773
01:22:59,516 --> 01:23:01,518
on the part of the police and other races.
1774
01:23:01,602 --> 01:23:03,479
Only that negative action that they're...
1775
01:23:03,562 --> 01:23:05,481
that negative attack,
that aggression they put up
1776
01:23:05,564 --> 01:23:07,691
on you to kill you,
at that point we was teaching
1777
01:23:07,774 --> 01:23:09,818
people that, to defend
ourselves even with guns.
1778
01:23:09,902 --> 01:23:11,153
But the main thing is this here,
1779
01:23:11,236 --> 01:23:12,696
you don't want to defend
yourselves with guns.
1780
01:23:12,779 --> 01:23:14,448
You defend yourselves also
with these basic programs
1781
01:23:14,531 --> 01:23:16,492
'cause violence is also
manifested in hunger,
1782
01:23:16,575 --> 01:23:17,701
- is it not?
- Yeah.
1783
01:23:17,784 --> 01:23:19,369
Violence is also manifested
in rats and roaches
1784
01:23:19,453 --> 01:23:21,413
and dilapidated living conditions, right?
1785
01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:22,706
You see what I'm talking about?
1786
01:23:22,789 --> 01:23:24,124
That's a form of violence that comes
1787
01:23:24,208 --> 01:23:25,459
- from the whole system.
- Now, this film
1788
01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:27,878
that you have brought. It's,
uh, on the Richmond Program.
1789
01:23:27,961 --> 01:23:29,838
Uh, it is silent so will you comment
1790
01:23:29,922 --> 01:23:31,215
- on it when we roll it?
- Yes, I will.
1791
01:23:31,298 --> 01:23:33,425
Okay. Will you... will you
roll it please, Don?
1792
01:23:33,509 --> 01:23:36,553
Uh, this is, um,
a free food program
1793
01:23:36,637 --> 01:23:38,096
in Richmond where we gave away
1794
01:23:38,180 --> 01:23:40,933
some, um, 750 bags
1795
01:23:41,016 --> 01:23:44,353
of groceries plus free brand
new shoes that we had.
1796
01:23:44,436 --> 01:23:46,355
brand-new shoes
you're giving away.
1797
01:23:46,438 --> 01:23:48,899
It ain't secondhand though. That was...
1798
01:23:48,982 --> 01:23:50,442
This is Elbert Howard,
who is speaking
1799
01:23:50,526 --> 01:23:52,736
to the people there. People
talk about freedom this,
1800
01:23:52,819 --> 01:23:54,488
freedom that, freedom
must ring out in the land.
1801
01:23:54,571 --> 01:23:56,073
We say okay,
we want some free medicine.
1802
01:23:56,156 --> 01:23:59,785
We need some free clothing.
We need some free shoes.
1803
01:23:59,868 --> 01:24:00,744
We need some free bread.
1804
01:24:00,786 --> 01:24:02,454
We need some free medical
care, etcetera, etcetera,
1805
01:24:02,538 --> 01:24:05,457
etcetera, to actually
implement some real freedom.
1806
01:24:05,541 --> 01:24:08,126
He was all about defining freedom
1807
01:24:08,210 --> 01:24:12,714
the way Marcus Cicero,
the ancient Roman lawyer, did.
1808
01:24:12,798 --> 01:24:14,424
Best definition I've ever heard.
1809
01:24:14,508 --> 01:24:18,178
He said, quote, "Freedom
is participation in power."
1810
01:24:18,262 --> 01:24:22,057
To hear him speak
on this with such eloquence
1811
01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:25,269
and talk about the things
that he had established
1812
01:24:25,352 --> 01:24:26,478
inside of the Black community
1813
01:24:26,562 --> 01:24:31,400
and galvanizing Black people
to, "Come on, let's do this."
1814
01:24:31,483 --> 01:24:32,651
Are you getting good reception,
1815
01:24:32,734 --> 01:24:33,652
good reaction to that?
1816
01:24:33,694 --> 01:24:35,195
Would you say Black people
come in and help?
1817
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:36,738
Definitely. But, see, you're going to get
1818
01:24:36,822 --> 01:24:38,282
very good reaction.
If you have 5,000 bags
1819
01:24:38,365 --> 01:24:39,616
of groceries and you put leaflets out
1820
01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:41,118
with 5,000 bags of groceries
to be given away
1821
01:24:41,201 --> 01:24:42,828
and all these people
are hungry you're going to get
1822
01:24:42,911 --> 01:24:45,205
good response 'cause they're
going to come down, right?
1823
01:24:45,289 --> 01:24:47,082
I was impressed. I gotta tell you,
1824
01:24:47,165 --> 01:24:49,334
I found a new respect for that man.
1825
01:24:49,418 --> 01:24:52,879
We'll continue. Just a minute.
We'll be right back.
1826
01:25:00,387 --> 01:25:03,724
John Lennon and Yoko Ono!
1827
01:25:03,807 --> 01:25:05,475
Hello, hello.
1828
01:25:05,559 --> 01:25:08,437
Hello? ls the mic on?
1829
01:25:14,484 --> 01:25:16,987
My favorite song.
1830
01:28:04,780 --> 01:28:06,615
Am I?
1831
01:28:36,770 --> 01:28:37,687
A year and a half ago,
1832
01:28:37,729 --> 01:28:39,689
the Reverend Daniel Berrigan
began serving a three-year
1833
01:28:39,773 --> 01:28:41,316
prison term for destroying draft records
1834
01:28:41,399 --> 01:28:44,820
at Catonsville, Maryland
as a protest against the war.
1835
01:28:44,903 --> 01:28:47,322
Last month, he was granted parole,
1836
01:28:47,405 --> 01:28:49,574
and today he left prison.
1837
01:29:16,977 --> 01:29:20,647
My co-hosts this week
are really involved.
1838
01:29:20,730 --> 01:29:22,148
It's been an education all of this week,
1839
01:29:22,232 --> 01:29:25,151
finding out about the many
interests they have.
1840
01:29:25,235 --> 01:29:28,196
Here are John Lennon and Yoko Ono.
1841
01:29:49,301 --> 01:29:51,303
They're marvelous, just marvelous.
1842
01:29:51,386 --> 01:29:52,512
Are going to put another piece?
1843
01:29:52,596 --> 01:29:54,347
- Uh, this is the last day.
- Going to finish it today.
1844
01:29:54,431 --> 01:29:55,307
I'm going to explain
1845
01:29:55,348 --> 01:29:57,475
that, um, this was a broken cup.
1846
01:29:57,559 --> 01:29:59,060
It was all broken in the beginning
1847
01:29:59,144 --> 01:30:01,646
and, uh, it's just about to be finished.
1848
01:30:01,730 --> 01:30:04,274
- Um...
- John, Yoko doesn't go around
1849
01:30:04,357 --> 01:30:05,275
breaking china at home
1850
01:30:05,317 --> 01:30:06,735
just to put it back together, does she?
1851
01:30:06,818 --> 01:30:08,236
- Nothing like that?
- Uh, occasionally,
1852
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:09,696
I have to let her. You know how it is.
1853
01:30:10,488 --> 01:30:12,782
- This side. Very good.
- Back now.
1854
01:30:12,866 --> 01:30:14,743
It's going to make it. Right?
1855
01:30:14,826 --> 01:30:16,786
- Oh.
- Hey, hey.
1856
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:18,663
Oh, great.
1857
01:30:18,747 --> 01:30:20,248
Hey! Hey!
1858
01:30:22,792 --> 01:30:24,002
We've got a marvelous show today.
1859
01:30:24,085 --> 01:30:25,462
We got one of the most brilliant young
1860
01:30:25,545 --> 01:30:27,172
comedians that-that I've known.
1861
01:30:27,255 --> 01:30:28,381
I've known him for a long time.
1862
01:30:28,465 --> 01:30:30,008
- His name is George Carlin.
- Oh, great.
1863
01:30:30,091 --> 01:30:31,509
- He'll be with us today.
- Very grand.
1864
01:30:31,593 --> 01:30:32,969
And a medical discussion of,
1865
01:30:33,053 --> 01:30:34,554
of heart and blood pressure with
1866
01:30:34,638 --> 01:30:37,849
a Dr. Gary Schwartz
of Harvard University.
1867
01:30:37,933 --> 01:30:38,850
So, sounds like a very
1868
01:30:38,892 --> 01:30:40,602
- exciting show, doesn't it?
- Very exciting idea, yes.
1869
01:30:40,685 --> 01:30:42,145
Who are some
of the other people that-that
1870
01:30:42,228 --> 01:30:44,022
you listened to when you were
in Liverpool just starting?
1871
01:30:44,105 --> 01:30:45,690
Uh, well, there was Bo Diddley,
1872
01:30:45,774 --> 01:30:47,317
Little Richard, Elvis, of course,
1873
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:48,777
Gene Vincent when he was alive,
1874
01:30:48,860 --> 01:30:51,029
Eddie Cochran when he was alive.
1875
01:30:51,112 --> 01:30:52,489
Uh, before that we used to listen
1876
01:30:52,572 --> 01:30:54,324
to a lot of, uh, blues, you know?
1877
01:30:54,407 --> 01:30:55,408
Uh, some of T-Bone Walker
1878
01:30:55,450 --> 01:30:56,952
that Chuck Berry mentioned and, uh...
1879
01:30:57,035 --> 01:30:59,245
- And Elvis.
- Sleepy John Estes.
1880
01:30:59,329 --> 01:31:00,914
We-we listened to blues at first.
1881
01:31:00,997 --> 01:31:01,998
When I went to art school...
1882
01:31:02,082 --> 01:31:03,333
I was at art school for five years.
1883
01:31:03,416 --> 01:31:04,793
When I went to...
this is a sort of college.
1884
01:31:04,876 --> 01:31:07,504
I went in there, they would
only allow jazz to be played.
1885
01:31:07,587 --> 01:31:09,047
You know, they wouldn't
allow rock and roll
1886
01:31:09,130 --> 01:31:10,548
and it was frowned upon those days.
1887
01:31:10,632 --> 01:31:11,925
So we had to con them into letting us
1888
01:31:12,008 --> 01:31:13,969
play rock and roll there
on the record player
1889
01:31:14,052 --> 01:31:15,095
by calling it blues. You know?
1890
01:31:15,178 --> 01:31:17,222
So, we'd have blues sessions
and then gradually
1891
01:31:17,305 --> 01:31:18,890
slip in the rock records.
1892
01:31:18,974 --> 01:31:22,310
You-your real intention
was to-to have it happen big
1893
01:31:22,394 --> 01:31:23,895
here because that's what really
1894
01:31:23,979 --> 01:31:25,563
makes a person a-a superstar.
1895
01:31:25,647 --> 01:31:26,982
It has to happen in America for you.
1896
01:31:27,065 --> 01:31:29,025
In the early days,
we didn't even dream of it.
1897
01:31:29,109 --> 01:31:30,360
- You know?
- Didn't you?
1898
01:31:30,443 --> 01:31:31,861
I mean, we didn't think
we'd, uh, you know,
1899
01:31:31,945 --> 01:31:33,655
we-we couldn't think in terms
of going to America.
1900
01:31:33,738 --> 01:31:34,990
I mean, that was like a dream.
1901
01:31:35,073 --> 01:31:36,574
Uh, I mean, you think locally.
1902
01:31:36,658 --> 01:31:38,284
First of all, it was making it
big in Liverpool.
1903
01:31:38,368 --> 01:31:39,744
- Yes.
- And then being the best
1904
01:31:39,828 --> 01:31:41,204
group in the... in the county. You know?
1905
01:31:41,287 --> 01:31:43,665
Then being the best group in England,
1906
01:31:43,748 --> 01:31:44,749
and then we got to Scotland
1907
01:31:44,833 --> 01:31:46,251
and break them in and things like that.
1908
01:31:46,334 --> 01:31:49,170
And your goal is always,
you know, just a few
1909
01:31:49,254 --> 01:31:51,381
yards ahead rather than right up there.
1910
01:31:51,464 --> 01:31:52,757
Originally, Paul and I wanted to be
1911
01:31:52,841 --> 01:31:54,134
sort of Goff in and King of England.
1912
01:31:54,217 --> 01:31:56,469
You know? Carole King and Gerry Goff in
1913
01:31:56,553 --> 01:31:58,388
were writing good songs a long time ago.
1914
01:31:58,471 --> 01:31:59,472
- Yes.
-And Paul and I
1915
01:31:59,556 --> 01:32:01,391
used to think, well,
I'm sure we could do it
1916
01:32:01,474 --> 01:32:02,976
if we just worked at it.
1917
01:32:03,059 --> 01:32:04,519
And we wanted to, you know...
1918
01:32:04,602 --> 01:32:05,812
Our goal was to be as big as Elvis,
1919
01:32:05,895 --> 01:32:07,647
but we didn't actually think
we were going to do it.
1920
01:32:07,731 --> 01:32:08,982
- You know?
- You got bigger.
1921
01:32:09,065 --> 01:32:10,775
- Well, I don't know.
- Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
1922
01:32:10,859 --> 01:32:14,195
How long did you really think
it was going to last, John?
1923
01:32:14,279 --> 01:32:16,823
Well, you see, that was one
of them questions, actually.
1924
01:32:16,906 --> 01:32:17,991
- Yeah.
- Oh, really?
1925
01:32:18,074 --> 01:32:19,659
You know, they used
to always ask us, uh... yeah.
1926
01:32:20,702 --> 01:32:21,953
But I wonder about that though.
1927
01:32:22,037 --> 01:32:23,038
But we never thought of it.
1928
01:32:23,121 --> 01:32:25,582
We thought that, uh, as long
as we could make... go on...
1929
01:32:25,665 --> 01:32:27,250
as long as we wanted to go on,
1930
01:32:27,333 --> 01:32:31,713
that we could always make
and write good enough music
1931
01:32:31,796 --> 01:32:32,797
to get an occasional hit,
1932
01:32:32,839 --> 01:32:34,549
not saying that every song
would be number one
1933
01:32:34,632 --> 01:32:36,634
and it would be Beatlemania
for all our lives.
1934
01:32:36,718 --> 01:32:37,886
I think we could have sustained
1935
01:32:37,969 --> 01:32:39,220
making the occasional hit record
1936
01:32:39,304 --> 01:32:41,765
for years and years to come.
Because I think...
1937
01:32:41,848 --> 01:32:43,850
You're saying that, uh, by... you know,
1938
01:32:43,933 --> 01:32:44,934
in 30 you won't be singing.
1939
01:32:45,018 --> 01:32:47,103
Yeah, but, yeah, that's
a great one to remind me.
1940
01:32:47,187 --> 01:32:49,773
Thanks. When-when,
when we did earlier interviews
1941
01:32:49,856 --> 01:32:52,233
when I must have been about
25 or 24 or something,
1942
01:32:52,317 --> 01:32:54,652
I used to always say, "Well,
one thing I won't be doing"
1943
01:32:54,736 --> 01:32:56,237
is singing "She Loves You" when I'm 30.
1944
01:32:56,321 --> 01:32:58,031
What I really meant, I had
some idea that I wouldn't be
1945
01:32:58,114 --> 01:33:01,618
what I was, whatever I was at
30 and it was th... I'm 31 now.
1946
01:33:01,701 --> 01:33:04,329
I was 30 when I first decided
to, you know,
1947
01:33:04,412 --> 01:33:07,207
let's, uh, finish this now,
go on for a new life.
1948
01:33:07,290 --> 01:33:08,958
Someone once reviewed The Beatles
1949
01:33:09,042 --> 01:33:11,086
and it could possibly have been after
1950
01:33:11,169 --> 01:33:12,712
- one of your early movies...
- Yeah.
1951
01:33:12,796 --> 01:33:15,840
And they referred to you
as the Groucho of the group.
1952
01:33:15,924 --> 01:33:16,758
Oh, really?
1953
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,510
I can't do it even.
1954
01:33:20,929 --> 01:33:22,263
Yoko, would you introduce
1955
01:33:22,347 --> 01:33:23,973
- our next guest for us?
- Yes. Our next guest
1956
01:33:24,057 --> 01:33:27,102
is, um, assistant professor
of personality psychology
1957
01:33:27,185 --> 01:33:29,062
in the department of social relations.
1958
01:33:29,145 --> 01:33:30,814
He's here to discuss people's ability
1959
01:33:30,897 --> 01:33:33,691
to lower their blood pressure at will,
1960
01:33:33,775 --> 01:33:35,902
which is very interesting, you know.
1961
01:33:35,985 --> 01:33:38,696
Greet Dr. Gary Schwartz.
1962
01:33:49,457 --> 01:33:52,460
What does
it feel like watching this?
1963
01:33:52,544 --> 01:33:56,131
It's nostalgic, um, at multiple levels.
1964
01:33:56,214 --> 01:33:58,758
Can you explain the term biofeedback?
1965
01:33:58,842 --> 01:34:01,678
Because on Wednesday's show
we did something that was, uh,
1966
01:34:01,761 --> 01:34:03,638
very interesting, which we'll get into.
1967
01:34:03,721 --> 01:34:04,973
But explain that for me, please.
1968
01:34:05,056 --> 01:34:08,768
The term biofeedback was a term coined
1969
01:34:08,852 --> 01:34:12,647
to express the use of equipment
1970
01:34:12,730 --> 01:34:13,982
for providing information
1971
01:34:14,065 --> 01:34:16,276
about what goes on inside of you,
1972
01:34:16,359 --> 01:34:18,319
things that you're not normally aware of
1973
01:34:18,403 --> 01:34:19,404
like the beat of your heart,
1974
01:34:19,487 --> 01:34:20,864
your blood pressure, your brain waves.
1975
01:34:20,947 --> 01:34:23,074
And it would present it to you
in a way such as a-
1976
01:34:23,158 --> 01:34:27,203
a meter, or a light, or in
your case, musical notes.
1977
01:34:27,287 --> 01:34:29,664
Were you getting
into that with the people
1978
01:34:29,747 --> 01:34:31,749
lowering their own
blood pressure at will?
1979
01:34:31,833 --> 01:34:33,751
- Yes.
- That's really good.
1980
01:34:33,835 --> 01:34:34,836
How did that start?
1981
01:34:34,878 --> 01:34:36,004
I mean, the yogas and all that
1982
01:34:36,087 --> 01:34:37,505
had been doing it and everybody thought
1983
01:34:37,589 --> 01:34:38,840
only the mysterious East could do it.
1984
01:34:38,923 --> 01:34:41,217
And there the West came
along and says, "No,
1985
01:34:41,301 --> 01:34:42,177
anybody can do it."
1986
01:34:42,218 --> 01:34:43,678
Well, the Westerners
were really ignorant,
1987
01:34:43,761 --> 01:34:45,513
that is the scientists,
of what was going in the East.
1988
01:34:45,597 --> 01:34:48,057
That is, they knew of it
but they didn't believe it.
1989
01:34:48,141 --> 01:34:48,850
Yeah.
1990
01:34:48,892 --> 01:34:50,143
But in the late '50s and early '60s,
1991
01:34:50,226 --> 01:34:53,980
a number of creative and, uh,
sort of bold scientists said,
1992
01:34:54,063 --> 01:34:56,649
"Look, some of these things
must be possible"
1993
01:34:56,733 --> 01:34:58,902
and we have to just develop
procedures for looking
1994
01:34:58,985 --> 01:35:00,486
"at it carefully and making it easier."
1995
01:35:00,570 --> 01:35:02,071
I felt like I was with peers.
1996
01:35:02,155 --> 01:35:04,699
I felt like I was interacting with people
1997
01:35:04,782 --> 01:35:09,412
who were thinking
about this as deeply as I was.
1998
01:35:09,495 --> 01:35:12,123
It was a delight to have
a conversation with them.
1999
01:35:12,207 --> 01:35:14,876
I mean, if you can
control your blood pressure,
2000
01:35:14,959 --> 01:35:16,544
I mean, it's-it's obvious to me
2001
01:35:16,628 --> 01:35:17,879
that you can control everything.
2002
01:35:17,962 --> 01:35:19,297
It's just learning how to do it.
2003
01:35:19,380 --> 01:35:20,965
There'd be no reason for us to be able
2004
01:35:21,049 --> 01:35:22,383
to just control one part of our body.
2005
01:35:22,467 --> 01:35:24,427
We must... we obviously
control it all, right?
2006
01:35:24,510 --> 01:35:27,722
Sure, but on the other hand
it's very good that our bodies
2007
01:35:27,805 --> 01:35:28,890
are built to keep things going
2008
01:35:28,973 --> 01:35:30,266
- in spite of our minds.
- Right.
2009
01:35:30,350 --> 01:35:31,726
If you had to worry all the time about
2010
01:35:31,809 --> 01:35:33,436
keeping your heart rate going
and your blood pressure
2011
01:35:33,519 --> 01:35:35,855
going you'd never get anything done.
2012
01:35:35,939 --> 01:35:37,482
This may have been the first time
2013
01:35:37,565 --> 01:35:38,691
that I was in a green room.
2014
01:35:38,775 --> 01:35:43,488
And I'm in this room
with this young skinny guy...
2015
01:35:43,571 --> 01:35:45,114
his hair was longer than mine...
2016
01:35:45,198 --> 01:35:48,826
um, who introduced himself
as George Carlin,
2017
01:35:48,910 --> 01:35:51,955
and I did not know him
from a hole in the wall.
2018
01:35:52,038 --> 01:35:54,832
I last, uh, had him on the show
2019
01:35:54,916 --> 01:35:55,917
when we were in San Diego
2020
01:35:55,959 --> 01:35:57,085
before a young college audience
2021
01:35:57,168 --> 01:35:58,461
and he just absolutely destroyed...
2022
01:35:58,544 --> 01:36:00,922
- He's great, isn't he?
- He's just marvelous.
2023
01:36:01,005 --> 01:36:01,923
He's, uh, he's original.
2024
01:36:01,965 --> 01:36:03,216
He writes a lot of his own material
2025
01:36:03,299 --> 01:36:05,093
and he has a great rapport
with America's youth
2026
01:36:05,176 --> 01:36:07,553
because he's concerned
about conditions.
2027
01:36:07,637 --> 01:36:09,264
Here's George Carlin.
2028
01:36:14,686 --> 01:36:16,479
George himself had changed
2029
01:36:16,562 --> 01:36:20,024
from a three-piece suit,
wearing-a-tie comedian
2030
01:36:20,108 --> 01:36:22,777
into kind of this, uh, what he used to call
2031
01:36:22,860 --> 01:36:25,363
the hippy dippy weatherman
kind of persona.
2032
01:36:25,446 --> 01:36:29,742
And, uh, it sort of fit
where we were at the times.
2033
01:36:29,826 --> 01:36:32,954
If Sister Nathaniel
could see that.
2034
01:36:33,037 --> 01:36:34,706
I never had good handwriting
2035
01:36:34,789 --> 01:36:36,332
and she would always hold up,
2036
01:36:36,416 --> 01:36:37,583
"Whose homework is this?
2037
01:36:37,667 --> 01:36:39,711
I can't read the name on this."
2038
01:36:39,794 --> 01:36:41,129
It was really fascinating.
2039
01:36:41,212 --> 01:36:43,214
George had started doing the
show in the Cleveland days.
2040
01:36:43,298 --> 01:36:45,842
Had followed the show to Philadelphia.
2041
01:36:45,925 --> 01:36:47,593
And as George's persona changed,
2042
01:36:47,677 --> 01:36:50,346
Mike's relationship
with George never changed.
2043
01:36:50,430 --> 01:36:53,474
George, you've
undergone some changes...
2044
01:36:53,558 --> 01:36:54,142
Yeah.
2045
01:36:54,183 --> 01:36:55,435
In the last couple of years.
2046
01:36:55,518 --> 01:36:56,853
- Mm-hmm.
- Each time I've seen you,
2047
01:36:56,936 --> 01:36:58,479
that's been a... you've been
a little bit different.
2048
01:36:58,563 --> 01:36:59,939
Has this made you, uh, a better person
2049
01:37:00,023 --> 01:37:00,940
or a better performer?
2050
01:37:00,982 --> 01:37:03,234
All of my bits used to be
ladies on quiz shows,
2051
01:37:03,318 --> 01:37:04,319
or newsmen, or disc jockeys,
2052
01:37:04,402 --> 01:37:05,820
and I was hiding behind these things.
2053
01:37:05,903 --> 01:37:07,322
I didn't know it consciously.
2054
01:37:07,405 --> 01:37:08,448
But television rewarded that.
2055
01:37:08,531 --> 01:37:11,409
See, that's one facet
of my comedy is I am a mimic.
2056
01:37:11,492 --> 01:37:13,995
And they rewarded that so much for me,
2057
01:37:14,078 --> 01:37:16,414
and starting in 1965,
that I just forgot myself
2058
01:37:16,497 --> 01:37:18,583
and I was not in my act anymore.
2059
01:37:18,666 --> 01:37:20,460
And that was not the reason
I went into this.
2060
01:37:20,543 --> 01:37:22,628
As anyone knows, you go
into as self-expression,
2061
01:37:22,712 --> 01:37:25,131
and once you're not doing that, forget it.
2062
01:37:25,214 --> 01:37:26,090
So it just dawned on me.
2063
01:37:26,132 --> 01:37:27,967
I said, "Hey, wait a second
now. Look here."
2064
01:37:28,051 --> 01:37:29,052
And, uh, it worked out fine.
2065
01:37:29,135 --> 01:37:30,845
It only took about a year
to turn things around
2066
01:37:30,928 --> 01:37:32,805
the way I, uh, feel happy now
2067
01:37:32,889 --> 01:37:35,558
that I'm in control
of what happens to my life
2068
01:37:35,641 --> 01:37:37,518
and career instead of drifting.
2069
01:37:37,602 --> 01:37:38,895
One of your idols... excuse me.
2070
01:37:38,978 --> 01:37:40,063
- Pardon me.
- I'm sorry.
2071
01:37:40,146 --> 01:37:41,147
Was there a lot of pressure,
2072
01:37:41,230 --> 01:37:42,899
I mean, just to become yourself?
2073
01:37:42,982 --> 01:37:44,484
Oh. Uh, well, I was ready for that.
2074
01:37:44,567 --> 01:37:46,819
It was one thing is
I wasn't in my act anymore.
2075
01:37:46,903 --> 01:37:48,905
Secondly, I discovered
I didn't want to be an actor.
2076
01:37:48,988 --> 01:37:50,531
All my life I'd grown up
saying, "Well, I'll become
2077
01:37:50,615 --> 01:37:52,825
a disc jockey, and that'll get
me to be a comedian,
2078
01:37:52,909 --> 01:37:54,243
and then that'll get me to be an actor."
2079
01:37:54,327 --> 01:37:56,454
I always thought actor was
the end of the road for it.
2080
01:37:56,537 --> 01:37:58,414
And I found out one day I hated it
2081
01:37:58,498 --> 01:37:59,916
and I want to write. Let me write down.
2082
01:37:59,999 --> 01:38:01,501
"Phil comes in and walks like a chicken."
2083
01:38:01,584 --> 01:38:03,836
I don't want to do it. Let me write that.
2084
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:04,921
I'd like to write the jokes.
2085
01:38:05,004 --> 01:38:07,048
So when I discovered that
and I wasn't in my act,
2086
01:38:07,131 --> 01:38:08,466
I was freed and I was free to change.
2087
01:38:08,549 --> 01:38:10,718
And then there was a couple
incidents in nightclubs
2088
01:38:10,802 --> 01:38:12,387
where I had grown too far so far,
2089
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:13,888
- you know, to stay there.
- Yeah.
2090
01:38:13,971 --> 01:38:15,098
And, uh, I had little incidents
2091
01:38:15,181 --> 01:38:17,892
that weren't much really,
but, uh, it served as a basis
2092
01:38:17,975 --> 01:38:21,646
for some of the things
I do in my shows now.
2093
01:38:21,729 --> 01:38:23,898
It was like a variety, uh,
2094
01:38:23,981 --> 01:38:26,901
a very creative kind of variety show.
2095
01:38:26,984 --> 01:38:30,655
And I don't know if such a...
2096
01:38:30,738 --> 01:38:32,740
if such a thing could be recreated partly
2097
01:38:32,824 --> 01:38:34,909
because you have
to have a John Lennon
2098
01:38:34,992 --> 01:38:37,328
and a Yoko Ono along
with a Mike Douglas.
2099
01:38:37,412 --> 01:38:40,373
You probably have been seeing
many people creeping around
2100
01:38:40,456 --> 01:38:42,667
with cameras all week taking pictures,
2101
01:38:42,750 --> 01:38:44,752
but one of them belongs to us.
2102
01:38:44,836 --> 01:38:46,504
The rest of them are just people taking...
2103
01:38:46,587 --> 01:38:47,839
Are you going to give us copies?
2104
01:38:47,922 --> 01:38:49,173
Oh, yeah. You'll love them too.
2105
01:38:49,257 --> 01:38:51,342
These are pictures that have been taken
2106
01:38:51,426 --> 01:38:53,928
throughout the five shows.
2107
01:38:54,011 --> 01:38:55,054
Oh, I like this bit.
2108
01:38:55,138 --> 01:38:56,264
To John and Yoko.
2109
01:39:33,926 --> 01:39:37,597
US'
2110
01:40:16,886 --> 01:40:19,430
John Lennon, Yoko Ono.
2111
01:40:23,768 --> 01:40:25,436
What would
you say to a student
2112
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:26,771
who watched this appearance
2113
01:40:26,854 --> 01:40:28,940
and said, "Yeah, but that was '72",
2114
01:40:29,023 --> 01:40:30,608
the world was full of promise,
2115
01:40:30,691 --> 01:40:32,610
gas was 25 cents a gallon,
2116
01:40:32,693 --> 01:40:33,653
John Lennon was alive,
2117
01:40:33,694 --> 01:40:35,905
I don't have those
opportunities anymore"?
2118
01:40:35,988 --> 01:40:37,532
Well, you have to keep trying.
2119
01:40:37,615 --> 01:40:40,451
Go with your vision
and you can think about life
2120
01:40:40,535 --> 01:40:41,536
as kind of like two circles.
2121
01:40:41,619 --> 01:40:44,705
One of them has all the things
that you're most inspired by
2122
01:40:44,789 --> 01:40:46,207
that are right at the
center of your vision,
2123
01:40:46,290 --> 01:40:48,960
and the other is the things
you have to do to survive.
2124
01:40:49,043 --> 01:40:52,713
And your goal in life is to
make those two things overlap
2125
01:40:52,797 --> 01:40:54,632
as much as you possibly can.
2126
01:40:54,715 --> 01:40:57,718
You know,
I remember back to the '60's
2127
01:40:57,802 --> 01:41:01,639
and in particular the '70's,
where young people thought,
2128
01:41:01,722 --> 01:41:03,683
okay, we can do this, we're going...
2129
01:41:03,766 --> 01:41:08,145
we're going to do big things,
where they had hope.
2130
01:41:08,229 --> 01:41:09,522
But I think the difference
2131
01:41:09,605 --> 01:41:15,570
between the youth then
and the youth today
2132
01:41:15,653 --> 01:41:20,533
are the youth today, they don't play.
2133
01:41:20,616 --> 01:41:23,327
I watched you 50 years ago,
2134
01:41:23,411 --> 01:41:24,287
30 year-old Ralph Nader
2135
01:41:24,328 --> 01:41:29,834
making incredibly prescient
point after point after point.
2136
01:41:29,917 --> 01:41:34,088
And 50 years later things are,
pardon my French,
2137
01:41:34,171 --> 01:41:35,089
still fucked up.
2138
01:41:35,131 --> 01:41:37,216
How do you maintain optimism?
2139
01:41:37,300 --> 01:41:38,134
How do you do it?
2140
01:41:38,175 --> 01:41:39,969
Well, young people
are known to be cynical.
2141
01:41:40,052 --> 01:41:42,555
And I say to them, you know,
if you're cynical,
2142
01:41:42,638 --> 01:41:45,808
you're a quitter and you're
gonna make things worse
2143
01:41:45,891 --> 01:41:48,019
for you and your close friends,
2144
01:41:48,102 --> 01:41:50,187
not just for the world at large.
2145
01:41:50,271 --> 01:41:53,649
So try to be skeptical
because skeptical asks
2146
01:41:53,733 --> 01:41:55,901
the same questions that the cynic asked,
2147
01:41:55,985 --> 01:41:59,238
but they charge back
and try to change things.
2148
01:41:59,322 --> 01:42:02,658
You know, as, uh,
Norman Cousins once said,
2149
01:42:02,742 --> 01:42:06,162
"Nobody's smart enough
to be a pessimist."
2150
01:42:06,245 --> 01:42:08,205
Let's talk
about the other idol,
2151
01:42:08,289 --> 01:42:10,249
the other world entertainment superstar.
2152
01:42:10,333 --> 01:42:11,917
- I'm not being facetious...
- Yeah.
2153
01:42:12,001 --> 01:42:13,377
Here, is Mike Douglas.
2154
01:42:13,461 --> 01:42:14,879
You know,
it's really interesting
2155
01:42:14,962 --> 01:42:17,465
when you look back at these
shows 50 years later,
2156
01:42:17,548 --> 01:42:19,800
that everybody remembers these shows
2157
01:42:19,884 --> 01:42:20,885
because of John and Yoko.
2158
01:42:20,926 --> 01:42:23,262
But the host of this show, Mike Douglas,
2159
01:42:23,346 --> 01:42:24,221
was an amazing man.
2160
01:42:24,263 --> 01:42:27,808
The fact that anybody wants to
look at this 50 years later,
2161
01:42:27,892 --> 01:42:30,353
really has a lot to do
with who that man was.
2162
01:42:30,436 --> 01:42:33,147
There was a lot
going on in these things.
2163
01:42:33,230 --> 01:42:34,649
They're more than a time capsule.
2164
01:42:34,732 --> 01:42:37,526
They're a signpost and a warning sign.
2165
01:42:37,610 --> 01:42:40,571
They were like canaries
in the mines, so to speak.
2166
01:42:40,655 --> 01:42:42,823
They were seeing the possibilities
2167
01:42:42,907 --> 01:42:45,034
of both concerns and opportunities
2168
01:42:45,117 --> 01:42:50,039
and were encouraging us
to look forward.
2169
01:42:50,331 --> 01:42:51,999
It's a long process,
2170
01:42:52,083 --> 01:42:53,417
change... it-it took us
2171
01:42:53,501 --> 01:42:56,087
how many centuries to get here,
2172
01:42:56,170 --> 01:42:57,505
to really crawl out of,
2173
01:42:57,588 --> 01:43:00,675
and to understand the system
that we live in,
2174
01:43:00,758 --> 01:43:03,219
and how we're going to change it
2175
01:43:03,302 --> 01:43:06,430
to make a more human world.
2176
01:43:06,514 --> 01:43:10,476
What better to work for than that?
2177
01:43:10,559 --> 01:43:14,230
US'
2178
01:43:43,426 --> 01:43:44,802
All right. Who would like
2179
01:43:44,885 --> 01:43:45,886
to ask a question of John?
2180
01:43:45,928 --> 01:43:48,848
I see a hand way in the back,
the very last row.
2181
01:43:48,931 --> 01:43:52,101
You see it? On the right-hand side?
2182
01:43:54,228 --> 01:43:56,355
- Oh, hello.
- Oh, hi.
2183
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:57,857
Will you and your band be going
2184
01:43:57,940 --> 01:43:59,275
on tour in the near future?
2185
01:43:59,358 --> 01:44:01,402
Uh, we-we both, we-we'd like to.
2186
01:44:01,485 --> 01:44:03,612
It really... we have to get
permission to work here.
2187
01:44:03,696 --> 01:44:06,157
You know? Every time...
Like if we do this show
2188
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,159
we have to... we ask
for permission to work.
2189
01:44:08,242 --> 01:44:09,618
We'd really like to get on the road again.
2190
01:44:09,702 --> 01:44:11,495
- It really depends on the...
- You only have to do that...
2191
01:44:11,579 --> 01:44:13,372
you only have to do that every
few months, don't you?
2192
01:44:13,456 --> 01:44:15,166
Something like that. Yeah.
For something like a tour
2193
01:44:15,249 --> 01:44:18,002
we'd have to apply for a kind
of special visa or something.
2194
01:44:18,085 --> 01:44:19,503
Are you planning to do that, John?
2195
01:44:19,587 --> 01:44:21,589
We-we'd like to if it... if it's all right
2196
01:44:21,672 --> 01:44:22,923
with the people in the visa office.
2197
01:44:23,007 --> 01:44:24,425
What are your... what
are your immediate plans
2198
01:44:24,508 --> 01:44:27,261
- when you leave here?
- Uh, recover.
2199
01:44:31,932 --> 01:44:33,851
First hand I saw was
that young lady right there.
2200
01:44:33,934 --> 01:44:36,979
What was the biggest
hit record you made?
2201
01:44:37,062 --> 01:44:38,731
Biggest of all your
hit records, which one?
2202
01:44:38,814 --> 01:44:40,065
- Oh, um, I really don't know.
2203
01:44:41,776 --> 01:44:43,068
It could be probably something like
2204
01:44:43,152 --> 01:44:44,695
"I Want to Hold Your Hand"
or "She Loves You."
2205
01:44:44,779 --> 01:44:46,280
L-I can't... it was one
that you don't expect.
2206
01:44:46,363 --> 01:44:47,698
I really don't know which one it is.
2207
01:44:47,782 --> 01:44:49,283
I've forgotten offhand.
2208
01:44:50,409 --> 01:44:52,536
I'd like to know
if you've heard the new
2209
01:44:52,620 --> 01:44:55,039
McCartney album and if so,
how'd you like it?
2210
01:44:55,122 --> 01:44:56,665
- The Wings one?
- Yeah.
2211
01:44:56,749 --> 01:44:58,542
I quite enjoy some it, yeah.
2212
01:44:58,626 --> 01:45:00,002
You know, I think it's, uh,
2213
01:45:00,085 --> 01:45:02,046
I don't... it's very hard to, you know,
2214
01:45:02,129 --> 01:45:03,756
- uh, listen to your friend.
- How did you like it?
2215
01:45:03,839 --> 01:45:05,132
- How did you like it?
- Not much.
2216
01:45:05,216 --> 01:45:06,967
Some of it's all right. I
thought it was getting better.
2217
01:45:07,051 --> 01:45:08,636
Some of it wasn't as good
and some was better.
2218
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:10,095
I think he's going in the right direction.
2219
01:45:10,179 --> 01:45:11,972
You think he's getting ba... you
think he's getting it back?
2220
01:45:12,056 --> 01:45:14,892
I think he has to.
He's got it there somewhere.
2221
01:45:14,975 --> 01:45:16,101
Is he your best friend, Paul?
2222
01:45:16,185 --> 01:45:19,355
I guess, uh, in the male sex,
he-he-he was.
2223
01:45:19,438 --> 01:45:20,356
I don't know about now
2224
01:45:20,397 --> 01:45:22,858
because I don't see much of him now.
2225
01:45:24,443 --> 01:45:25,903
There was something in the...
2226
01:45:25,986 --> 01:45:27,029
in the Philadelphia paper here
2227
01:45:27,112 --> 01:45:28,531
which I... which I... can I get in on this?
2228
01:45:28,614 --> 01:45:29,907
- Yeah. Yeah.
- Oh, yes. Go ahead.
2229
01:45:29,990 --> 01:45:33,077
This is... this is interesting
because I wrote this down.
2230
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:34,995
The quote is "Yoko is a quiet,
2231
01:45:35,079 --> 01:45:37,289
sweet girl in public, all right."
2232
01:45:37,373 --> 01:45:38,749
- Oh, that's what that is.
- Oh, that one.
2233
01:45:38,833 --> 01:45:41,085
"But at home with John
it's kvetch, kvetch, kvetch."
2234
01:45:41,168 --> 01:45:44,296
Now, that means,
that means nag, that word.
2235
01:45:44,380 --> 01:45:45,965
That-that story is a lunatic story.
2236
01:45:46,048 --> 01:45:47,174
I thought it must have come...
2237
01:45:47,258 --> 01:45:48,342
Now let-let me, give it me.
2238
01:45:48,425 --> 01:45:49,760
It's incredible what they're saying.
2239
01:45:49,844 --> 01:45:50,761
They're saying about...
2240
01:45:50,803 --> 01:45:52,096
this-this is one of those stories,
2241
01:45:52,179 --> 01:45:53,180
I thought it must have come
2242
01:45:53,264 --> 01:45:54,807
from the Holly... "National
Enquirer" or something.
2243
01:45:54,890 --> 01:45:56,934
It says things like...
It says, uh, has a pa...
2244
01:45:57,017 --> 01:45:58,310
It's supposed to be the inside story.
2245
01:45:58,394 --> 01:45:59,937
It's from the "Los Angeles..."
2246
01:46:00,020 --> 01:46:00,855
This market.
2247
01:46:00,896 --> 01:46:02,356
"Yoko wanted... "It says,
"Yoko wanted to call.
2248
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:05,568
The Beatles 'Yoko's Husband
and his Three Sidemen."'
2249
01:46:11,574 --> 01:46:13,409
Would you wait
until the boom gets to you...
2250
01:46:13,492 --> 01:46:14,368
would you mind standing?
2251
01:46:14,410 --> 01:46:15,953
Like a lot of times
people say you know,
2252
01:46:16,036 --> 01:46:17,288
about demonstrations at all and like
2253
01:46:17,371 --> 01:46:19,790
how everybody should rush out
and go to demonstrations
2254
01:46:19,874 --> 01:46:21,625
and everything and it's gonna help.
2255
01:46:21,709 --> 01:46:23,043
But I don't know if it really helps.
2256
01:46:23,127 --> 01:46:24,712
And I want to know like what I can do,
2257
01:46:24,795 --> 01:46:26,630
like me, just personally, like to help
2258
01:46:26,714 --> 01:46:28,048
people, you know, how I can do it.
2259
01:46:28,132 --> 01:46:29,383
Do you want to that?
2260
01:46:29,466 --> 01:46:30,801
You should first start, uh, I think,
2261
01:46:30,885 --> 01:46:31,886
you know, we can all do it.
2262
01:46:31,969 --> 01:46:35,180
But, uh, if we can't solve
our own personal problems,
2263
01:46:35,264 --> 01:46:36,640
we can never solve a big problem.
2264
01:46:36,724 --> 01:46:39,852
All we have to do
is convince one person,
2265
01:46:39,935 --> 01:46:41,312
and that's all you have to do.
2266
01:46:41,395 --> 01:46:44,690
And, uh, if everybody
convinced one person,
2267
01:46:44,773 --> 01:46:46,817
the whole world is going to be convinced.
2268
01:46:46,901 --> 01:46:47,902
You see? It's that simple.
2269
01:46:47,943 --> 01:46:51,030
People tend to think that, uh,
somebody will save them,
2270
01:46:51,113 --> 01:46:53,407
whether it's a president or a, you know,
2271
01:46:53,490 --> 01:46:54,575
whoever your hero might be.
2272
01:46:54,658 --> 01:46:57,202
Somebody's going to come out
of the blue to save you.
2273
01:46:57,286 --> 01:46:59,163
And there's only people can save us,
2274
01:46:59,246 --> 01:47:00,372
only us all deciding to do
2275
01:47:00,456 --> 01:47:01,999
something about anything, whatever it is,
2276
01:47:02,082 --> 01:47:03,125
just even making that decision
2277
01:47:03,208 --> 01:47:05,628
I want to do something is a start.