1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:14,056 --> 00:00:16,808 M.C: It is my pleasure and privilege 4 00:00:16,892 --> 00:00:20,896 at this very, very solemn moment 5 00:00:21,355 --> 00:00:25,651 to introduce a young man and his wife, 6 00:00:26,777 --> 00:00:28,487 who saw fit 7 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:31,198 to put down in music 8 00:00:31,823 --> 00:00:33,242 and lyrics 9 00:00:33,325 --> 00:00:37,746 so that it will never be forgotten in our country 10 00:00:38,330 --> 00:00:39,498 by anyone... 11 00:00:39,581 --> 00:00:42,751 the tragedy of Attica State. 12 00:00:42,834 --> 00:00:45,170 There is no more that I can say, ladies and gentlemen, 13 00:00:45,254 --> 00:00:47,965 I would like to introduce to you, 14 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:51,343 John and Yoko Lennon. 15 00:00:51,426 --> 00:00:54,471 [cheers and applause] 16 00:00:54,555 --> 00:00:57,391 [indistinct chatter] 17 00:01:01,979 --> 00:01:04,481 JOHN LENNON: One, two, three, four. 18 00:01:04,565 --> 00:01:07,359 ["Attica State" playing] 19 00:01:11,613 --> 00:01:14,992 JOHN: ♪ What a waste of human power ♪ 20 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:20,372 ♪ What a waste of human lives ♪ 21 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:25,210 ♪ Shoot the prisoners in the towers ♪ 22 00:01:25,294 --> 00:01:30,632 ♪ Forty-three poor widowed wives ♪ 23 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:35,304 ♪ Attica state, Attica state ♪ 24 00:01:35,387 --> 00:01:40,726 ♪ We're all mates with Attica state ♪ 25 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:44,646 ♪ Media blames it on the prisoners ♪ 26 00:01:44,730 --> 00:01:49,359 ♪ But the prisoners did not kill ♪ 27 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:54,698 ♪ Rockefeller pulled the trigger ♪ 28 00:01:54,781 --> 00:01:58,827 ♪ That is what the people feel ♪ 29 00:01:58,910 --> 00:02:01,204 [cheers and applause] 30 00:02:01,288 --> 00:02:04,708 JOHN: ♪ Attica state, Attica state ♪ 31 00:02:04,791 --> 00:02:09,046 ♪ We're all mates with Attica state... ♪ 32 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:10,714 [applause] 33 00:02:10,797 --> 00:02:14,301 [music] 34 00:02:19,264 --> 00:02:22,851 ♪ Michelle, my belle ♪ 35 00:02:22,934 --> 00:02:29,483 ♪ These are words that go together well ♪ 36 00:02:29,566 --> 00:02:30,942 ♪ My Michelle... ♪ 37 00:02:31,026 --> 00:02:32,361 E.V. DI MASSA: You have to understand 38 00:02:32,444 --> 00:02:35,113 where the "Mike Douglas Show" sat in culture in 1972. 39 00:02:35,197 --> 00:02:38,575 It was the most popular show in daytime television, 40 00:02:38,659 --> 00:02:40,744 seen by about 40 million people a week. 41 00:02:40,827 --> 00:02:43,455 Quite often 60% of the audience in New York 42 00:02:43,538 --> 00:02:46,333 was watching the "Mike Douglas Show." 43 00:02:46,625 --> 00:02:52,047 ♪ I love you, I love you, I love you ♪ 44 00:02:52,130 --> 00:02:56,551 ♪ That's all I want to say ♪ 45 00:02:56,635 --> 00:03:00,097 ♪ Until I find a way ♪ 46 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:04,768 ♪ I will say the only words I know... ♪ 47 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:08,438 The booking of John and Yoko was a really unusual story, 48 00:03:08,522 --> 00:03:11,942 because we were both told that they had contacted us 49 00:03:12,025 --> 00:03:13,944 and we contacted them. 50 00:03:16,488 --> 00:03:20,534 ♪ My Michelle ♪ 51 00:03:20,617 --> 00:03:26,581 ♪ My Michelle ♪ 52 00:03:26,665 --> 00:03:29,543 [cheers and applause] 53 00:03:32,045 --> 00:03:33,588 DI MASSA: We heard that on February 4th, 54 00:03:33,672 --> 00:03:36,591 just 10 days before these shows were about to air, 55 00:03:36,675 --> 00:03:39,428 Senator Strom Thurmond went to John Mitchell 56 00:03:39,511 --> 00:03:41,596 and wanted to warn the Nixon administration 57 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,392 that John and Yoko were about to take sides. 58 00:03:45,475 --> 00:03:47,978 [music] 59 00:03:48,061 --> 00:03:50,355 When President Nixon leaves for Peking on Thursday 60 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:52,983 he will travel on his specially equipped 61 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:54,568 Boeing 707 Air Force One. 62 00:03:54,651 --> 00:03:56,194 RICHARD NIXON: The government of the People's. 63 00:03:56,278 --> 00:03:57,195 Republic of China 64 00:03:57,237 --> 00:03:58,780 and the government of the United States 65 00:03:58,864 --> 00:04:01,575 can have differences without being enemies in war. 66 00:04:01,658 --> 00:04:04,286 JOHN CHANCELLOR: Attorney John Mitchell resigned today 67 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:07,748 to run the Presidents campaign for reelection. 68 00:04:07,831 --> 00:04:10,292 ♪ You gotta live ♪ 69 00:04:10,500 --> 00:04:12,836 ♪ You gotta love ♪ 70 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:15,797 ♪ You gotta be somebody ♪ 71 00:04:15,881 --> 00:04:18,341 ♪ You gotta shove ♪ 72 00:04:18,425 --> 00:04:19,801 ♪ But it's so hard... ♪ 73 00:04:19,885 --> 00:04:21,136 JOHN C:A Federal court order 74 00:04:21,219 --> 00:04:22,679 which calls for large scale busing 75 00:04:22,763 --> 00:04:25,265 went into effect today in Augusta, Georgia. 76 00:04:25,348 --> 00:04:27,350 NEWSCASTER 1 :Although there were several false 77 00:04:27,434 --> 00:04:28,393 bomb threats yesterday, 78 00:04:28,435 --> 00:04:29,811 no incidents were reported today. 79 00:04:29,895 --> 00:04:31,938 NEWSCASTER 2:George Wallace appears no longer worried 80 00:04:32,022 --> 00:04:33,607 that he might need to soft pedal busing 81 00:04:33,690 --> 00:04:37,068 for fear it would conjure up the old one issue image. 82 00:04:37,152 --> 00:04:39,529 ♪ You gotta worry ♪ 83 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:42,282 ♪ But it's so hard ♪ 84 00:04:42,365 --> 00:04:45,660 ♪ It's really hard ♪ 85 00:04:45,952 --> 00:04:49,456 ♪ Sometimes I feel like going down ♪ 86 00:04:49,539 --> 00:04:50,874 RONALD REAGAN: Well, I happen to believe 87 00:04:50,957 --> 00:04:52,292 that the death penalty is a deterrent 88 00:04:52,375 --> 00:04:54,336 and I think the majority of people 89 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:55,295 believe the same thing. 90 00:04:55,337 --> 00:04:57,631 REPORTER". Everybody knows that food prices are going up. 91 00:04:57,714 --> 00:05:00,842 The question is how much will consumers stand for 92 00:05:00,926 --> 00:05:01,843 in this election year. 93 00:05:01,885 --> 00:05:06,056 ♪ Sometimes I feel like going down ♪ 94 00:05:06,139 --> 00:05:07,766 ♪ Hey ♪ 95 00:05:08,975 --> 00:05:11,478 [music] 96 00:05:13,772 --> 00:05:15,023 The Nixon administration announced 97 00:05:15,106 --> 00:05:16,858 that American ground troops in Vietnam 98 00:05:16,942 --> 00:05:19,236 would no longer be used offensively in combat, 99 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:21,112 but they would fight only on the defense. 100 00:05:21,196 --> 00:05:23,490 We're here to fight dinks and that's why we're here. 101 00:05:23,573 --> 00:05:25,033 We're gonna go out and fight them. 102 00:05:25,116 --> 00:05:26,159 NEWSCASTER: Attack bombers 103 00:05:26,243 --> 00:05:28,078 bristling with their deadly cargo 104 00:05:28,161 --> 00:05:29,162 are screaming skyward 105 00:05:29,204 --> 00:05:31,248 from the deck of the aircraft carrier, Constellation. 106 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:32,958 SOLDIER: You read in the newspaper 107 00:05:33,041 --> 00:05:34,334 that the war is over. 108 00:05:34,417 --> 00:05:36,837 I don't know if it's Congress, Senate, 109 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,630 but the war is not over. 110 00:05:38,713 --> 00:05:40,590 JOHN: ♪ You gotta hide ♪ 111 00:05:40,674 --> 00:05:46,388 ♪ You gotta keep your woman satisfied ♪ 112 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:49,057 ♪ But it's so hard ♪ 113 00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:52,143 ♪ It's really hard ♪ 114 00:05:52,769 --> 00:05:57,357 ♪ Sometimes I feel like going down ♪ 115 00:06:02,904 --> 00:06:03,947 [cheers and applause] 116 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:06,825 MIKE DOUGLAS: We'll be right back. 117 00:06:07,576 --> 00:06:11,413 ["Imagine" playing] 118 00:06:17,836 --> 00:06:19,921 INTERVIEWER: The idea of John Lennon 119 00:06:20,005 --> 00:06:20,922 being a mediator. 120 00:06:20,964 --> 00:06:23,925 WOMAN: Yeah, that's sort of funny, isn't it? 121 00:06:24,009 --> 00:06:26,094 MAN: Okay. B's rolling only. 122 00:06:26,177 --> 00:06:29,973 Why don't you go up to Wes. What lens do you have now? 123 00:06:30,056 --> 00:06:32,434 WES: 28 to 135. 124 00:06:32,517 --> 00:06:33,643 [clears throat] 125 00:06:33,727 --> 00:06:36,396 WES: Marker. Marker. 126 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:39,274 Marker. 127 00:06:39,733 --> 00:06:41,526 YELLOW PEARL: ♪ We are the children ♪ 128 00:06:41,610 --> 00:06:43,570 ♪ Of the Chinese waiter ♪ 129 00:06:43,653 --> 00:06:47,073 ♪ Born and raised in the laundry rooms ♪ 130 00:06:47,157 --> 00:06:50,452 This is funny. I haven't seen this whole thing 131 00:06:50,535 --> 00:06:52,996 in all these years. 132 00:06:53,496 --> 00:06:57,167 INTERVIEWER: How on earth did you get on this? 133 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:58,710 Out of the blue, uh, one day. 134 00:06:58,793 --> 00:07:02,172 I-I'm in my apartment, in New York City, 135 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:04,299 and I get a phone call, 136 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:08,094 and I answer it and it said, "Hello, this is Yoko." 137 00:07:08,178 --> 00:07:10,096 And Yoko's a Japanese name, 138 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:14,100 so I said, Yoko who? 139 00:07:14,184 --> 00:07:16,353 And of course I thought it was a scam. 140 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:17,938 I thought it couldn't be real. 141 00:07:18,021 --> 00:07:21,733 But, um, I called this person back. 142 00:07:21,816 --> 00:07:25,362 And much to my amazement, it really was Yoko Ono. 143 00:07:25,612 --> 00:07:26,905 George Carlin has a question. 144 00:07:27,030 --> 00:07:28,907 I was going to ask whether or not biofeedback 145 00:07:28,949 --> 00:07:30,867 could help you remember the question you were going to ask. 146 00:07:34,496 --> 00:07:36,873 Some food isn't even food, it's just all chemicals. 147 00:07:36,957 --> 00:07:39,793 The voice said "Hi, this is John and Yoko." 148 00:07:39,876 --> 00:07:46,049 And I'm thinking, "Okay, this is a prank phone call, 149 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:49,552 but I'll listen." 150 00:07:49,678 --> 00:07:52,138 John, rock and roll, rock and roll. 151 00:07:52,222 --> 00:07:54,057 There you go. Into the cabbage! 152 00:07:54,140 --> 00:07:58,311 Yoko said we're doing this show on Mike Douglas, 153 00:07:58,395 --> 00:08:00,689 you know, this a... afternoon show 154 00:08:00,772 --> 00:08:06,194 and we're bringing on people like in the movement 155 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:07,278 to talk about the movement. 156 00:08:07,362 --> 00:08:09,823 And on the show that we're having you on, 157 00:08:09,906 --> 00:08:12,909 we're having Bobby Seale and Jerry Rubin. 158 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:14,828 And I'm like, what? [Chuckles] 159 00:08:14,911 --> 00:08:16,454 JOHN: We're Mike's co-hosts this week 160 00:08:16,538 --> 00:08:20,041 and with us on today's show will be my hero, 161 00:08:20,125 --> 00:08:20,917 Chuck Berry. 162 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:22,127 YOKO ONO: David Rosenboom. 163 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:26,256 DAVID ROSENBOOM: As I recall, they did have an agenda 164 00:08:26,339 --> 00:08:28,800 and they did discuss the agenda, uh, with me 165 00:08:28,883 --> 00:08:33,138 and the agenda had to do with making the world better. 166 00:08:33,221 --> 00:08:35,306 DI MASSA: The booking was terrific for the show 167 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:36,975 because it got us great ratings, 168 00:08:37,058 --> 00:08:38,184 but it also fit their agenda 169 00:08:38,268 --> 00:08:41,271 which was to get their message to middle America. 170 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:43,106 Here is Ralph Nader. 171 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:45,692 [cheers and applause] 172 00:08:48,319 --> 00:08:50,113 MAN: Okay. 173 00:08:50,196 --> 00:08:52,198 Running for president? 174 00:08:52,282 --> 00:08:52,824 No. 175 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:56,327 Well, the Mike Douglas week of shows was memorable 176 00:08:56,411 --> 00:08:57,912 in a 50-year span. 177 00:08:57,996 --> 00:09:01,332 It was memorable because it couldn't happen today 178 00:09:01,416 --> 00:09:03,752 on network or cable, 179 00:09:03,835 --> 00:09:06,046 daytime television shows. 180 00:09:06,129 --> 00:09:07,505 But it was also memorable then. 181 00:09:07,589 --> 00:09:09,299 It was a real breakthrough then. 182 00:09:09,382 --> 00:09:12,260 [cheers and applause] 183 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:15,555 ♪ Everybody's talkin' at me... ♪ 184 00:09:15,638 --> 00:09:17,140 Ooh. Look at that dress! Hmm. 185 00:09:17,223 --> 00:09:19,517 And we not gonna talk about that hair. 186 00:09:19,601 --> 00:09:24,355 ♪ Only the shadows of their eyes ♪ 187 00:09:24,439 --> 00:09:26,399 When I got to the studio, 188 00:09:26,483 --> 00:09:30,987 I got a glimpse of John Lennon and Yoko Ono. 189 00:09:31,071 --> 00:09:37,452 I said, "Oh, my goodness. This is exciting!" 190 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:40,955 Hanoi charged that American jets today 191 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:44,918 bombed and strafed populated areas of North Vietnam. 192 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:47,462 REPORTER: It happened on a Sunday morning. 193 00:09:47,545 --> 00:09:50,215 They said about 9:35 a.m., 194 00:09:50,298 --> 00:09:52,759 planes dove through the cloud... 195 00:09:52,842 --> 00:09:56,554 the cloud cover at that time, and attacked the hospital, 196 00:09:56,638 --> 00:09:59,265 dropping eight demolition bombs 197 00:09:59,349 --> 00:10:01,768 and four anti-personnel bombs. 198 00:10:01,851 --> 00:10:05,313 [cheers and applause] 199 00:10:05,396 --> 00:10:06,731 [man laughs] 200 00:10:06,815 --> 00:10:10,527 [music] 201 00:10:10,985 --> 00:10:12,904 JOHN: Welcome to the "Mike Douglas Show." 202 00:10:12,987 --> 00:10:15,323 - This is John Lennon. - And Yoko Ono. 203 00:10:15,406 --> 00:10:18,076 Now, here's Mike. 204 00:10:19,369 --> 00:10:21,955 MIKE: Hey, I'm really excited about this week. 205 00:10:22,038 --> 00:10:23,373 I was in Boston last night 206 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:27,335 and, uh, I had what they call a press conference. 207 00:10:27,418 --> 00:10:28,461 And when I mentioned the fact 208 00:10:28,545 --> 00:10:30,463 that I was about to begin a week 209 00:10:30,547 --> 00:10:33,466 with the two people I'm going to introduce, 210 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:34,467 pencils were dropping. 211 00:10:34,509 --> 00:10:37,929 And... and it turned into about an hour session 212 00:10:38,012 --> 00:10:39,973 on just talking about these people. 213 00:10:40,056 --> 00:10:41,432 They're not only superstars, 214 00:10:41,516 --> 00:10:43,726 but they're really two very warm human beings. 215 00:10:43,810 --> 00:10:46,062 And I know that you're going to enjoy meeting them 216 00:10:46,146 --> 00:10:47,772 and getting to know them a little bit better. 217 00:10:47,856 --> 00:10:50,608 So, ladies and gentlemen, welcome with us... 218 00:10:50,692 --> 00:10:52,735 ah, by the way, the song I just sang 219 00:10:52,819 --> 00:10:54,195 is... is written by this gentleman 220 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:56,030 who's coming out right now. 221 00:10:56,114 --> 00:10:57,574 I wanted to tell you that. 222 00:10:57,657 --> 00:11:00,743 Here is John Lennon and Yoko Ono. 223 00:11:00,827 --> 00:11:03,288 [cheers and applause] 224 00:11:03,371 --> 00:11:06,875 [music] 225 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:24,267 Good afternoon. You sang it very well. 226 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:25,018 Thank you. 227 00:11:25,059 --> 00:11:26,269 I wrote the middle eight actually. 228 00:11:26,352 --> 00:11:28,646 - Did you? - Yeah. 229 00:11:29,522 --> 00:11:32,025 At least you didn't sing, uh... Normally they sing "Yesterday" 230 00:11:32,108 --> 00:11:33,943 which is Paul's song, and then saying, "Here, he wrote it." 231 00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:35,820 But I wrote the middle eight of "Michelle" so we're okay. 232 00:11:35,904 --> 00:11:37,197 MIKE: You wrote the middle eight? 233 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,032 Yeah, but sometimes you write different bits, you know? 234 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:41,034 That's usually the toughest part of a song, actually, 235 00:11:41,117 --> 00:11:42,660 what they call the release, the middle eight. 236 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:44,662 Well, yeah, 'cause once you get the first inspiration, 237 00:11:44,746 --> 00:11:45,622 then you get stuck. 238 00:11:45,663 --> 00:11:47,624 I think we pinched it from a Nina Simone song, 239 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:48,583 I'm not sure though. 240 00:11:48,625 --> 00:11:50,627 Some people only remember middle eight, you know, songs. 241 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:52,545 MIKE: That's true. I know that you both have 242 00:11:52,629 --> 00:11:56,257 some very sincere thoughts about life and people, 243 00:11:56,341 --> 00:11:59,010 and that people mean a great deal to you. 244 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:00,094 That's perfectly obvious. 245 00:12:00,136 --> 00:12:02,639 What would you like to talk about this week, John? 246 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:08,144 Love, peace, communication, women's lib. 247 00:12:08,228 --> 00:12:09,229 - Racism. - Racism. 248 00:12:09,312 --> 00:12:11,189 - War. Prisons. - And about prison conditions. 249 00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:12,982 -And Drugs? Drugs. -And life in general. 250 00:12:13,066 --> 00:12:14,651 - Drugs. Anything. - Talk about... 251 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:15,735 You know... whatever... what... 252 00:12:15,777 --> 00:12:16,986 that's what's going on now, right? 253 00:12:17,070 --> 00:12:18,696 And also to show the future direction, you know? 254 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:19,781 Because the future direction 255 00:12:19,864 --> 00:12:21,491 is actually beautiful, you know, 256 00:12:21,574 --> 00:12:24,244 because people getting very pessimistic these days. 257 00:12:24,327 --> 00:12:26,996 But actually it's gonna be... be very beautiful, 258 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,082 and we want to show that to people. 259 00:12:29,165 --> 00:12:33,127 John and Yoko had really conceived a five-show arc. 260 00:12:33,211 --> 00:12:36,881 So over a period of about five and a half weeks, 261 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:39,217 we taped those shows. 262 00:12:39,342 --> 00:12:42,136 This is the first show, and you can see them 263 00:12:42,220 --> 00:12:44,013 trying to find their comfort level with Mike, 264 00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:48,393 and Mike trying to be a gentle and warming host. 265 00:12:48,476 --> 00:12:49,978 I know we have a man on later today 266 00:12:50,061 --> 00:12:51,562 whom you both respect a great deal. 267 00:12:51,646 --> 00:12:53,064 - Yeah. - In fact, all of us do. 268 00:12:53,147 --> 00:12:54,774 - It's Ralph Nader. - Right? Yeah, and he's great. 269 00:12:54,857 --> 00:12:57,819 We'll he's... he's a kind of guy that sets an example. 270 00:12:57,902 --> 00:12:59,445 He does something. I mean, that, that's... 271 00:12:59,529 --> 00:13:01,072 MIKE: I wish he'd run for office. 272 00:13:01,155 --> 00:13:02,031 Well, I asked him today, 273 00:13:02,073 --> 00:13:03,408 when are you gonna run for president? 274 00:13:03,491 --> 00:13:04,575 - MIKE: Did you? - You know? 275 00:13:04,659 --> 00:13:06,452 She could minister of peace, and I'll be minister of music. 276 00:13:06,536 --> 00:13:08,329 That would be marvelous. 277 00:13:08,413 --> 00:13:12,041 [applause] 278 00:13:13,376 --> 00:13:14,585 And we have people like Bobby Seale 279 00:13:14,669 --> 00:13:18,089 and Jerry Rubin and, you know, just very interesting people. 280 00:13:18,172 --> 00:13:21,175 DI MASSA: You can see that Yoko is a bit nervous. 281 00:13:21,259 --> 00:13:23,136 John is trying to feel his way. 282 00:13:23,219 --> 00:13:26,639 They obviously had an agenda and ideas of things 283 00:13:26,723 --> 00:13:28,683 they wanted to get out on the show. 284 00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:29,767 I really do fall for images. 285 00:13:29,851 --> 00:13:32,812 Like when I first met Jerry Rubin. I was terrified. 286 00:13:32,895 --> 00:13:34,647 I thought I'm gonna meet a bomb-throwing freak. 287 00:13:34,731 --> 00:13:36,858 Even when I first met the guy called Frank Zappa, 288 00:13:36,941 --> 00:13:38,318 I was terrified. I really thought he... 289 00:13:38,401 --> 00:13:40,194 - They were terrified of us. - And they were terrified too, 290 00:13:40,278 --> 00:13:42,113 - so we're all sitting there... - They were terrified of you? 291 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:43,573 Oh, yeah. So we're all sitting there, 292 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:45,325 and then I say, "Well, uh, you seem quite all right." 293 00:13:45,408 --> 00:13:46,617 And they said, "Well, you're not bad." 294 00:13:46,701 --> 00:13:48,202 So we relaxed, you know? And we believe in images 295 00:13:48,286 --> 00:13:50,079 that we should know better about, 296 00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:51,164 that have built up for us. 297 00:13:51,205 --> 00:13:52,623 We thought we'd give him a chance to sort of, 298 00:13:52,707 --> 00:13:54,000 to show what they're actually doing 299 00:13:54,083 --> 00:13:55,335 and what they actually think now, 300 00:13:55,418 --> 00:13:57,754 not two years ago or three years ago, 301 00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:00,173 but now and what their hopes are for the future. 302 00:14:00,256 --> 00:14:02,258 DI MASSA: One of Mike's greatest attributes 303 00:14:02,342 --> 00:14:06,179 was he was never terrified to be around celebrities 304 00:14:06,262 --> 00:14:08,264 or to be talking to celebrities. 305 00:14:08,348 --> 00:14:09,265 He felt right at home 306 00:14:09,307 --> 00:14:11,351 and he made them feel at home with him. 307 00:14:11,434 --> 00:14:12,435 MIKE: We have a canvas here. 308 00:14:12,518 --> 00:14:14,520 I'd like to point out what the purpose of this is. 309 00:14:14,604 --> 00:14:17,482 Oh, yes. Yes, you see, we were thinking that 310 00:14:17,565 --> 00:14:19,734 we would have something like this 311 00:14:19,817 --> 00:14:21,944 that people can draw on... 312 00:14:22,028 --> 00:14:22,987 all of us would draw on 313 00:14:23,029 --> 00:14:24,280 - so that... yes. - And the guests, right? 314 00:14:24,364 --> 00:14:26,949 So it's a painting that goes on growing. 315 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:28,076 And in the end of the show... 316 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:29,577 - End of five days. - We can auction it, 317 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:31,537 - and give that money... - MIKE: Oh, to charity. 318 00:14:31,621 --> 00:14:32,663 Donate that money to charity. 319 00:14:32,747 --> 00:14:34,332 - To charity. - We'd have a... a canvas 320 00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:36,417 that had not only real people on, 321 00:14:36,501 --> 00:14:39,462 but show biz people as well, and all the... whoever the stars 322 00:14:39,545 --> 00:14:40,963 or the performers that come on each day, 323 00:14:41,047 --> 00:14:42,799 we ask them all to sign, and you and the producer, 324 00:14:42,882 --> 00:14:44,217 I'm gonna have the names or... 325 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:45,635 MIKE: Is it... is it necessary to draw? 326 00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:47,303 - Or can you just sign your... - You can draw a name, 327 00:14:47,387 --> 00:14:48,638 - or draw a circle. - Well... yes. 328 00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:49,931 Signing name is an art, too, isn't it? 329 00:14:50,014 --> 00:14:51,974 - MIKE: Sure. - So you can do that too. 330 00:14:52,058 --> 00:14:53,267 - Draw a circle is enough. - Yeah. 331 00:14:53,351 --> 00:14:55,103 -All right, fine. That's... - So when, when we doing it? 332 00:14:55,186 --> 00:14:56,437 Well, shall we do that quickly? 333 00:14:56,521 --> 00:14:57,939 Now are we gonna do it? Shall we start it then? 334 00:14:58,022 --> 00:14:58,898 What color do you want? 335 00:14:58,940 --> 00:15:00,191 I don't know what I'm gonna draw. 336 00:15:00,274 --> 00:15:01,484 YOKO: Well, um, I... oh, any color. 337 00:15:01,567 --> 00:15:03,528 You have to choose your own color. 338 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:04,654 Who's gonna break it in then? 339 00:15:04,737 --> 00:15:06,280 - Can you see this? - Let's... let's Yoko start. 340 00:15:06,364 --> 00:15:07,824 Okay, you start it, it's your idea, right. 341 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:09,617 Oh, okay. 342 00:15:11,953 --> 00:15:13,121 - Okay. - JOHN: Oh, that's... 343 00:15:13,204 --> 00:15:14,205 You gonna do the next one? 344 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:15,623 Yeah, can I take a different color? 345 00:15:15,706 --> 00:15:16,666 YOKO: Sure, sure. 346 00:15:16,707 --> 00:15:19,001 I'll take green, all right? 347 00:15:19,669 --> 00:15:20,628 Everybody's an artist. 348 00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:22,755 Who told everybody that they weren't an artist? 349 00:15:22,839 --> 00:15:24,132 Some teacher when you're about 12, 350 00:15:24,215 --> 00:15:25,716 somebody says to you, "Oh, you're an artist." 351 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,010 "You're not. You're a chemist and you're a scientist." 352 00:15:28,094 --> 00:15:30,471 YOKO: So this show would just be a... 353 00:15:30,555 --> 00:15:31,597 a show of all of us, you know? 354 00:15:31,681 --> 00:15:34,475 You're gonna be participating a lot... a lot of things too, 355 00:15:34,559 --> 00:15:37,228 so you have to be prepared for that. 356 00:15:37,311 --> 00:15:38,604 You wanna put your name on, Yoko. 357 00:15:38,688 --> 00:15:39,981 - YOKO: Oh, okay. - Make it more... 358 00:15:40,064 --> 00:15:41,983 worth a dime more... when we sell it. 359 00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:45,278 Do we pass it around the audience or... or what? 360 00:15:45,361 --> 00:15:46,404 IKE: Yeah. 361 00:15:46,487 --> 00:15:47,405 Why don't we find out 362 00:15:47,447 --> 00:15:48,865 if anybody really has artistic ability? 363 00:15:48,948 --> 00:15:50,324 -AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes. - Everybody does. 364 00:15:50,408 --> 00:15:52,160 - Please. - You wanna take it out, John? 365 00:15:52,243 --> 00:15:54,036 JOHN: Anybody is an artist. 366 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,539 Artist is a frame of mind. 367 00:15:57,457 --> 00:15:58,291 Please pass it on. 368 00:15:58,332 --> 00:16:00,334 YOKO: While you're passing this on, 369 00:16:00,418 --> 00:16:02,420 would you please touch each other? 370 00:16:02,503 --> 00:16:04,297 - JOHN: Come on, don't be shy. - YOKO: Don't be shy! 371 00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:06,757 JOHN: Touch a stranger, it's great! 372 00:16:06,841 --> 00:16:10,553 [indistinct chatter] 373 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:15,183 MIKE: Okay, this is great. 374 00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:17,310 DI MASSA: The show was actually taped 375 00:16:17,393 --> 00:16:18,394 in a basement studio, 376 00:16:18,436 --> 00:16:20,354 1619 Walnut Street in Philadelphia. 377 00:16:20,438 --> 00:16:24,317 And walking John down for one of the evening tapings, 378 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,487 he said to me, you know, this is so comfortable for me 379 00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:29,363 because it reminds me of the Cavern Club 380 00:16:29,447 --> 00:16:33,201 where we as the Beatles had started out in Liverpool. 381 00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:34,869 Were people terribly surprised, 382 00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:38,498 because you are hip, contemporary people, 383 00:16:38,581 --> 00:16:40,124 - and, that you... - [snaps fingers] 384 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:41,167 - [laughter] - John. 385 00:16:41,209 --> 00:16:44,378 MIKE: That you accepted the convention of marriage. 386 00:16:44,462 --> 00:16:47,590 Do you think that yours is an aesthetic marriage 387 00:16:47,673 --> 00:16:48,674 as well as physical? 388 00:16:48,716 --> 00:16:50,468 - Oh, sure, yeah. - Yes. 389 00:16:50,551 --> 00:16:51,427 It was a mind marriage. 390 00:16:51,469 --> 00:16:53,930 Our minds met before our bodies did. 391 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:55,264 - I mean, that's for sure. - Hmm. 392 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:56,974 For those of you who don't... don't know this story. 393 00:16:57,058 --> 00:16:58,893 Yoko was having an art show in London, 394 00:16:58,976 --> 00:17:00,394 at a gallery called lndica Gallery. 395 00:17:00,478 --> 00:17:03,105 I heard about this, was gonna be this Japanese chick 396 00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:04,941 in black bags down at the art gallery. 397 00:17:05,024 --> 00:17:06,025 It's gonna be a happening. 398 00:17:06,067 --> 00:17:07,443 And everything... when I got there, 399 00:17:07,527 --> 00:17:09,487 everything was white... white canvases, 400 00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:10,446 white this, white that. 401 00:17:10,488 --> 00:17:13,574 And there was this board with hammer and a nail. 402 00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:15,409 So I said, "Can I hammer a nail in?" 403 00:17:15,493 --> 00:17:16,786 She says "No." And then the owner says, 404 00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:19,080 "Come on, come on, you know, he might buy something." 405 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:20,748 MIKE: So the owner... the owner knew who you were? 406 00:17:20,831 --> 00:17:22,124 Yeah, the owner of the gallery, knew... 407 00:17:22,208 --> 00:17:23,042 he knew me, yeah. 408 00:17:23,084 --> 00:17:24,627 She did not know who you were at that meeting. 409 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:25,253 No, no. 410 00:17:25,294 --> 00:17:26,504 But I had a nice feeling about him. 411 00:17:26,587 --> 00:17:28,297 I thought, "Oh, rather nice," you know? 412 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:29,632 Anyway, they... the guy says to me, 413 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:32,051 John says to me, uh... or she says, "Okay, 414 00:17:32,134 --> 00:17:34,720 well give me five shillings then, to hammer a nail in." 415 00:17:34,804 --> 00:17:36,847 That's about a dollar, you know, more than a dollar. 416 00:17:36,931 --> 00:17:38,182 It's five dollars or something. 417 00:17:38,266 --> 00:17:39,517 I just had to charge, you know? 418 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,601 So I said, "Listen, 419 00:17:40,643 --> 00:17:42,395 I'll give you an imaginary five shillings 420 00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:44,939 and hammer an imaginary nail in. 421 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:45,773 Is that okay?" 422 00:17:45,815 --> 00:17:48,067 And that was the... her... her whole trip 423 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:49,527 is this "Imagine this, imagine that." 424 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:50,611 It was imagining, imagining. 425 00:17:50,695 --> 00:17:52,029 So I was thinking, "Oh, here's a guy" 426 00:17:52,113 --> 00:17:54,490 "who's playing the same game I'm playing." 427 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:55,908 And I was really shocked. You know? 428 00:17:55,992 --> 00:17:57,201 I thought, who is it, you know? 429 00:17:57,285 --> 00:17:58,744 Also, the first thing that was in the gallery 430 00:17:58,828 --> 00:18:01,664 as you went in, there was a... a white stepladder, 431 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:04,375 and a painting on the ceiling, or... 432 00:18:04,458 --> 00:18:05,334 A ceiling painting. 433 00:18:05,376 --> 00:18:07,128 A framed piece of white, something. 434 00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:09,505 And a spyglass hanging down. 435 00:18:09,589 --> 00:18:10,881 So, most of the art those days 436 00:18:10,965 --> 00:18:12,508 was art that put everybody down, you know, 437 00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:14,176 - like make people upset. - YOKO: Uh-huh. 438 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:16,178 - MIKE: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. - So I was anti-art, 439 00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:18,014 because I'd been five years in art school, 440 00:18:18,097 --> 00:18:19,390 and they're all phonies, you know? 441 00:18:19,473 --> 00:18:20,474 And I really was against it. 442 00:18:20,558 --> 00:18:21,809 But... I'd become interested again 443 00:18:21,892 --> 00:18:23,311 by looking around galleries, and was there... 444 00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:25,104 I walked up this ladder, and I picked up the spyglass. 445 00:18:25,187 --> 00:18:28,482 You're balancing there, and it's in teeny little writing, 446 00:18:28,566 --> 00:18:29,442 it just said "Yes." 447 00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:30,943 - MIKE: It said "Yes?" - And that made my... 448 00:18:31,027 --> 00:18:32,028 - it said "Yes." - Yes. 449 00:18:32,069 --> 00:18:33,821 It made my decision to go and see the rest of the show. 450 00:18:33,904 --> 00:18:35,364 If it had said "No," or you know, uh-huh... 451 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,074 - YOKO: Something sarcastic. - Something nasty, 452 00:18:37,158 --> 00:18:39,410 like you know, rip off or whatever, 453 00:18:39,493 --> 00:18:40,953 I would have left the gallery then. 454 00:18:41,037 --> 00:18:43,122 Because it was positive, it said "Yes," I thought, 455 00:18:43,205 --> 00:18:46,626 okay, it's the first show I've been to that said something, 456 00:18:46,709 --> 00:18:47,627 you know, warm to me. 457 00:18:47,668 --> 00:18:49,754 So I... then I decided to see the rest of the show, 458 00:18:49,837 --> 00:18:50,713 and that's when we met. 459 00:18:50,755 --> 00:18:52,298 - What was your... - JOHN: If it had said "No," 460 00:18:52,381 --> 00:18:53,257 I would have walked out. 461 00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:55,259 What was your impression of Yoko at that meeting, John? 462 00:18:55,343 --> 00:18:56,344 Well, she was very serious, 463 00:18:56,427 --> 00:18:59,347 and not at all impressed by who I was, you know, 464 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:00,306 which I didn't mind, 465 00:19:00,348 --> 00:19:01,891 because it was a change not to be known, you know? 466 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:03,893 Does that... is that a welcome thing for you, 467 00:19:03,976 --> 00:19:06,395 when somebody is not terribly impressed by you 468 00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:07,396 and just accepts you. 469 00:19:07,438 --> 00:19:10,858 I don't want people to just, uh, react to me and it... 470 00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:12,360 people, some... I guess you have the same. 471 00:19:12,443 --> 00:19:16,656 People think that... that you want them to... to do something 472 00:19:16,739 --> 00:19:17,740 or say something special. 473 00:19:17,782 --> 00:19:19,158 You don't... you want them to be themselves. 474 00:19:19,241 --> 00:19:20,534 And therefore you can be yourself. 475 00:19:20,618 --> 00:19:22,286 And don't you find that when people meet you, 476 00:19:22,370 --> 00:19:23,788 and they want so to say the right thing, 477 00:19:23,871 --> 00:19:26,290 and almost always it comes out backwards, doesn't it? 478 00:19:26,374 --> 00:19:27,458 - Oh, yeah. - What are some 479 00:19:27,541 --> 00:19:28,959 of the incredible things people have said to you 480 00:19:29,043 --> 00:19:30,544 - upon first meetings? - I don't know, the... 481 00:19:30,628 --> 00:19:33,589 our main problems are things like getting in the taxi, 482 00:19:33,673 --> 00:19:35,007 and the taxi driver is so frantic 483 00:19:35,091 --> 00:19:37,009 that he's driving on the sidewalk. 484 00:19:37,093 --> 00:19:38,552 [laughter] 485 00:19:38,636 --> 00:19:40,596 Which is a very dangerous driver. 486 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,431 It's very hard to get anywhere, 487 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:43,599 and I think that's all this... 488 00:19:43,683 --> 00:19:44,934 And the waiters be... bring, 489 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:46,018 you know, something wrong, 490 00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:47,728 because they weren't you... listening to the orders... 491 00:19:47,812 --> 00:19:49,605 JOHN: The waiters don't hear what you're ordering, 492 00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:51,065 I'm talking, and I know they're not listening, 493 00:19:51,148 --> 00:19:53,234 because they're only saying, "Oh that's him? Is that him? 494 00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:54,652 "ls that him?" And they're looking at me 495 00:19:54,735 --> 00:19:56,904 right in the eye, and I'm saying I'd like a, you know, 496 00:19:56,987 --> 00:19:58,989 a... a medium-rare steak and some French fries 497 00:19:59,073 --> 00:20:01,909 and an elephant's leg, and a policeman's hat, please. 498 00:20:01,992 --> 00:20:03,327 And they say, "Yes, sir, yes, sir!" 499 00:20:03,411 --> 00:20:04,745 Because they're not hearing me. 500 00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:06,539 [laughter] 501 00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:07,915 A policeman's hat and... 502 00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:09,125 We'll be right back. 503 00:20:09,208 --> 00:20:12,086 [cheers and applause] 504 00:20:15,256 --> 00:20:17,717 INTERVIEWER: What we're really focusing on that February 505 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,513 of 1972 because if you don't understand what 1972 is like, 506 00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:27,226 you don't understand why these shows were so transgressional. 507 00:20:27,309 --> 00:20:33,315 Well, 1972 was the Nixon era. 508 00:20:33,399 --> 00:20:35,818 Richard Nixon, the pits, uh, 509 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:38,696 he was a very vengeful, uh, president. 510 00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:41,949 And he was afraid of what he called the liberal media. 511 00:20:42,032 --> 00:20:46,454 And he was afraid of a young generation uprising. 512 00:20:46,537 --> 00:20:49,206 It was, uh, a time of considerable fracturing. 513 00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:53,127 I mean, uh, we... we were... we had made it out of the '60s 514 00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:56,172 by the time that... that, uh, I was on the shows. 515 00:20:56,255 --> 00:21:02,219 But the aftermath was still quite, uh, quite... 516 00:21:02,303 --> 00:21:03,012 disturbing. 517 00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:05,681 This was the context in which the '60s, 518 00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:07,057 we... in which we lived. 519 00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:11,562 Aside from the news which everybody saw at night, 520 00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:12,730 bringing these ideas, 521 00:21:12,813 --> 00:21:17,234 I think more the ideas and the conversations, uh, 522 00:21:17,318 --> 00:21:21,572 into the living rooms of... of women was really... 523 00:21:21,655 --> 00:21:22,531 it was really important. 524 00:21:22,573 --> 00:21:25,409 I remember overhearing one of the producers say 525 00:21:25,493 --> 00:21:27,203 to John and Yoko backstage, 526 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:29,497 do you have any friends that aren't political? 527 00:21:29,580 --> 00:21:33,083 Yeah. It was something they were trying to get away with. 528 00:21:33,167 --> 00:21:34,293 [laughs] 529 00:21:34,376 --> 00:21:37,171 And it was basically housewives 530 00:21:37,254 --> 00:21:41,383 or people who were at home who wanted to be entertained. 531 00:21:41,467 --> 00:21:43,928 It was an entertainment variety kind of thing. 532 00:21:44,011 --> 00:21:47,681 So I really didn't even have a clue that they were having 533 00:21:47,765 --> 00:21:51,560 all these almost counter cultural figures. 534 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:53,437 I mean, it was really interesting 535 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:56,482 to see Ralph Nader so young. 536 00:21:56,565 --> 00:22:00,277 [piano plays] 537 00:22:01,362 --> 00:22:04,156 It's been almost a year since we've seen this next gentleman 538 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,701 on our show, and in that time he's gotten his fingers 539 00:22:07,785 --> 00:22:09,662 into a lot of new pies. 540 00:22:09,745 --> 00:22:10,579 He's an attorney. 541 00:22:10,621 --> 00:22:11,747 He's from the nation's capital. 542 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:16,710 And recently he's been called "The man who makes waves." 543 00:22:16,794 --> 00:22:18,379 Here is Ralph Nader. 544 00:22:18,462 --> 00:22:19,672 [cheers and applause] 545 00:22:19,755 --> 00:22:22,299 NADER: Mike Douglas watched the evening news. 546 00:22:22,383 --> 00:22:23,467 He probably said to himself, 547 00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:25,094 I think I want this guy on the show. 548 00:22:25,177 --> 00:22:29,139 And he doesn't over talk and he smiles once in a while 549 00:22:29,223 --> 00:22:32,852 and he's concise enough for daytime TV. 550 00:22:32,935 --> 00:22:36,564 It helped that he had a staff member, Erni Di Massa, 551 00:22:36,647 --> 00:22:40,901 on the show who was very, uh, persuasive 552 00:22:40,985 --> 00:22:45,281 in getting citizen group voices on the show. 553 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:49,952 I might say you also had Roger Ailes. [Laughs] 554 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:51,495 DI MASSA: Roger Ailes, who started 555 00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:53,414 as a public relations man on the "Mike Douglas Show" 556 00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:55,416 met Richard Nixon on the "Mike Douglas Show." 557 00:22:55,499 --> 00:22:58,043 Went to work for him, got him elected president. 558 00:22:58,127 --> 00:23:00,921 Then later in his career, started Fox News, 559 00:23:01,005 --> 00:23:03,340 which is a pretty incredible transition 560 00:23:03,424 --> 00:23:04,383 when you think about it 561 00:23:04,425 --> 00:23:07,261 from the "Mike Douglas Show" to Fox News. 562 00:23:08,053 --> 00:23:10,556 One of the stories is that Roger Ailes 563 00:23:10,639 --> 00:23:11,891 was actually behind the scenes 564 00:23:11,974 --> 00:23:14,143 trying to get John and Yoko booked 565 00:23:14,226 --> 00:23:15,311 on the "Mike Douglas Show" 566 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:16,896 with the hope of convincing them 567 00:23:16,979 --> 00:23:20,983 to become Republican backers of Richard Nixon. 568 00:23:21,066 --> 00:23:22,526 I remember being on the stage 569 00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:26,113 and I watched this young guy in the back. 570 00:23:26,196 --> 00:23:27,072 He was going like this, 571 00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:30,576 constantly absorbing the details 572 00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:33,412 of the television experience. 573 00:23:33,495 --> 00:23:35,539 I could just see him saying to himself 574 00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:39,752 someday I'm gonna make sure that television 575 00:23:39,835 --> 00:23:45,758 is a major tool of right-wing politicians. 576 00:23:45,925 --> 00:23:48,969 ' [applause] " [music] 577 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:55,517 - [whistles] Stop him! - Stop him. 578 00:23:55,601 --> 00:23:57,728 Would you do us the honor, uh, Ralph? 579 00:23:57,811 --> 00:23:59,939 Yes. Indeed. Yes, yes, yes. 580 00:24:00,022 --> 00:24:00,856 This is gonna go... 581 00:24:00,898 --> 00:24:03,275 be auctioned off at the end of the week. 582 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,487 And all the money will go to charity. 583 00:24:07,988 --> 00:24:10,282 - That's beautiful. - Oh, look at that! 584 00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:11,992 - Yes. - That's the yin yang sign. 585 00:24:12,076 --> 00:24:13,035 - Yeah. - Actually... 586 00:24:13,077 --> 00:24:14,578 JOHN: Yin and yang is like positive-negative, 587 00:24:14,662 --> 00:24:16,830 - black-white, right. - RALPH: Going back to... 588 00:24:16,914 --> 00:24:17,623 MIKE: R. Nader. 589 00:24:17,665 --> 00:24:19,667 The nat... natural balance of things. 590 00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:20,793 JOHN: Can I ask you something? 591 00:24:20,876 --> 00:24:23,545 You know, the small book you gave us before the show, 592 00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:25,422 that... that book was to, um, 593 00:24:25,506 --> 00:24:27,257 help people... students organize, right? 594 00:24:27,341 --> 00:24:28,926 RALPH: That's right. Action, Action for a Change. 595 00:24:29,009 --> 00:24:31,553 It's to show them how they could do it themselves, like... 596 00:24:31,637 --> 00:24:32,721 - Exactly. - JOHN: Right? 597 00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:34,223 So what kind of thing do you tell them? 598 00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:35,683 I know something about tax and all, well... 599 00:24:35,766 --> 00:24:37,935 Well, first, it makes a very important distinction. 600 00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:39,186 - JOHN: Yeah. - Everybody... 601 00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:41,772 most everybody wants peace and justice and equity. 602 00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:45,609 However, the most important first step is to develop 603 00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:48,237 the instruments that will lead, uh, to these objectives. 604 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,239 So the first part of the book is, uh, devoted 605 00:24:50,322 --> 00:24:53,909 to showing exactly, step by step, how they can organize. 606 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:57,538 Well, it's one of the reasons I went on the "Mike Douglas," 607 00:24:57,621 --> 00:24:58,580 so, so enthusiastically. 608 00:24:58,622 --> 00:25:02,084 We were beginning the drive to organize students 609 00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:06,422 in large numbers to contribute through their student dues, 610 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:10,551 a few bucks each year into a non-profit group 611 00:25:10,634 --> 00:25:11,510 that they would run. 612 00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:14,221 And this book came out, it was a manual. 613 00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:18,976 It was very detailed by Donald Ross, bless his soul. 614 00:25:19,059 --> 00:25:21,478 He showed the students how to do it. 615 00:25:21,562 --> 00:25:24,356 For example that, uh, they spend on the average 616 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,985 about $250 a year on soft drinks, cigarettes, 617 00:25:28,068 --> 00:25:29,153 uh, and candies. 618 00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:32,948 Now if they just spend 37>, or 2% of that, two, three, 619 00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:35,075 four dollars a year, they could develop 620 00:25:35,159 --> 00:25:37,578 the strongest democratic force in the state. 621 00:25:37,661 --> 00:25:39,413 - JOHN: Yeah. - And they could also work 622 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:41,040 with people who aren't students. 623 00:25:41,123 --> 00:25:42,249 - JOHN: Yeah. - Retired people 624 00:25:42,332 --> 00:25:44,501 who have a lot of time and a lot of talent 625 00:25:44,585 --> 00:25:45,294 on their hands. 626 00:25:45,335 --> 00:25:46,879 - It's a great resource. - You tell 'em to register 627 00:25:46,962 --> 00:25:47,796 to vote, as well? 628 00:25:47,838 --> 00:25:49,590 - RALPH: Register to vote. - Because that's been a great 629 00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:51,050 - change in the whole... - RALPH: Exactly. 630 00:25:51,133 --> 00:25:52,718 Movement people, a lot of people were saying, 631 00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:54,261 uh, voting's irrelevant and... a few years ago. 632 00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,764 And, uh, a lot of movement people have decided 633 00:25:56,847 --> 00:25:57,723 that voting is relevant, 634 00:25:57,765 --> 00:25:59,308 'cause it's the only chance they're gonna get. 635 00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:00,893 - MIKE: Of course. - Like if you want to beat 636 00:26:00,976 --> 00:26:02,561 the Establishment, you got to know how it works. 637 00:26:02,644 --> 00:26:04,480 Well, you'll be more likely to want to vote, 638 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:05,773 particularly at a younger age, 639 00:26:05,856 --> 00:26:07,399 if you know what the issues are, 640 00:26:07,483 --> 00:26:09,902 and if you can push for a real choice 641 00:26:09,985 --> 00:26:11,028 between different candidates. 642 00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:12,946 At least if you, if you're registered to vote, 643 00:26:13,030 --> 00:26:14,198 it doesn't say you have to vote. 644 00:26:14,281 --> 00:26:16,075 At least you have it, and then if somebody comes, 645 00:26:16,158 --> 00:26:17,701 if there's somebody around that you can believe in, 646 00:26:17,785 --> 00:26:19,578 you've got that vote but if you don't register, 647 00:26:19,661 --> 00:26:22,081 and it comes and you want to do something, it's... 648 00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:22,998 you've missed it. 649 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,666 And somebody put it very succinctly, 650 00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:25,751 Richard Neville of... of OZ, 651 00:26:25,793 --> 00:26:27,586 which is an underground scene in London. 652 00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:29,129 He said, "Well, we all made a mistake." 653 00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:31,173 We should have voted. We should have registered. 654 00:26:31,256 --> 00:26:32,716 Because there's... there's one inch 655 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,719 in which we breathe difference between the two parties... 656 00:26:35,803 --> 00:26:37,679 And everybody's saying, "They're all the same." 657 00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:38,680 They are all the same! 658 00:26:38,722 --> 00:26:40,474 But there's that one inch in which they let you breathe. 659 00:26:40,557 --> 00:26:43,727 And if you vote, you broaden out the difference 660 00:26:43,811 --> 00:26:46,230 between the parties in the right way 661 00:26:46,313 --> 00:26:49,066 for the next election and the next election. 662 00:26:49,149 --> 00:26:51,068 I mean, that was a very astute comment. 663 00:26:51,151 --> 00:26:54,196 Democracy means, in a word, self-government. 664 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,824 And anytime we delegate our responsibilities, 665 00:26:56,907 --> 00:26:58,367 - it's for convenience. - JOHN: Yeah. 666 00:26:58,450 --> 00:26:59,701 How about the organizing housewives? 667 00:26:59,785 --> 00:27:02,412 You know, they're just sort of, very vast amount 668 00:27:02,496 --> 00:27:04,790 of silent majority there, you know? 669 00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,583 And they're sort of... they don't have 670 00:27:06,667 --> 00:27:08,418 the direct communication society. 671 00:27:08,502 --> 00:27:09,711 They're sort of isolated people. 672 00:27:09,795 --> 00:27:11,547 MIKE: I've never thought of housewives 673 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:12,548 as a silent majority. 674 00:27:12,589 --> 00:27:14,842 - [laughter] - Well, maybe at home 675 00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:17,010 they might say a lot, but they don't have a chance 676 00:27:17,094 --> 00:27:19,555 to say it in the society and also, they don't have 677 00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:22,516 a direct sort of horizontal contact, you know? 678 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:24,143 - MIKE: Yes. - They're in the house. 679 00:27:24,226 --> 00:27:25,060 They're isolated. 680 00:27:25,102 --> 00:27:27,729 If you can get a housewife's manual or something 681 00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:28,689 to help the cause, 682 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:30,607 what could they do for pollution, you know? 683 00:27:30,691 --> 00:27:32,234 Well, actually, we're just working on that. 684 00:27:32,317 --> 00:27:35,779 What you have to do is step back and start by trying 685 00:27:35,863 --> 00:27:36,738 to help organize people 686 00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:41,034 and trying to get them to see citizenship as a profession, 687 00:27:41,118 --> 00:27:41,869 as an expertise. 688 00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:43,203 And this could be a great country, 689 00:27:43,287 --> 00:27:46,039 and it can contribute to the world in magnificent ways, 690 00:27:46,123 --> 00:27:47,374 because we've got the affluence 691 00:27:47,457 --> 00:27:50,002 and we've got the intelligence and the know-how, 692 00:27:50,085 --> 00:27:52,880 but we're not in effect letting people 693 00:27:52,963 --> 00:27:53,839 control their destinies. 694 00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:55,424 I was just thinking, does Ralph Nader 695 00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:57,634 make a New Year's resolution? 696 00:27:57,718 --> 00:28:00,053 - [chuckles] - Do you do such things? 697 00:28:00,137 --> 00:28:00,846 Yeah, actually. 698 00:28:00,888 --> 00:28:03,599 What... what were yours, or what was yours? 699 00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:06,894 Try to find a 36-hour day. 700 00:28:06,977 --> 00:28:07,978 [chuckles] 701 00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:10,981 I'm looking for a 48-hour day. 702 00:28:11,064 --> 00:28:16,236 As the Romans used to say, tempus fugit. 703 00:28:16,987 --> 00:28:17,696 Time flies. 704 00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,198 Ralph, you must get an awful lot of mail. 705 00:28:19,281 --> 00:28:20,699 Where, where can people write you? 706 00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:23,368 Well, you can go to Nader.org, and by the way, 707 00:28:23,452 --> 00:28:26,830 sign up to receive free, electronically every week, 708 00:28:26,914 --> 00:28:30,083 my weekly column, which started in 1971. 709 00:28:30,167 --> 00:28:32,044 - And that's it? - Just like that. 710 00:28:32,127 --> 00:28:33,003 Thank you, Ralph Nader. 711 00:28:33,045 --> 00:28:35,756 And stay with us. We'll be right back. 712 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:39,343 [music] 713 00:28:40,928 --> 00:28:42,930 Yoko, you have some, some great ideas 714 00:28:43,013 --> 00:28:44,514 - in your book "Grapefruit." - Thank you. 715 00:28:44,598 --> 00:28:47,100 And one of them involves a... a teacup. 716 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:48,894 - Yes, well see... - Tell, tell us about it. 717 00:28:48,977 --> 00:28:51,730 YOKO: This is a cup. And it's broken. 718 00:28:51,813 --> 00:28:54,358 Through the five days, we want to mend it, 719 00:28:54,441 --> 00:28:57,194 and all of us participate in mending it. 720 00:28:57,277 --> 00:28:59,154 By the end of the five days, 721 00:28:59,238 --> 00:29:01,782 this cup would be a whole cup, I hope. 722 00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:03,158 It's not as easy as you thought, right? 723 00:29:03,242 --> 00:29:04,493 It's not that easy as you think. 724 00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:06,161 MIKE: What is the point behind this, Yoko? Is it... 725 00:29:06,245 --> 00:29:07,996 Yeah, I'll hold them. You tell... you explain yourself. 726 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,290 - Hold it like this. - I'll hold it like that. 727 00:29:10,374 --> 00:29:12,626 And are we out of time? 728 00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:15,921 That's fine. Um, we'll go through the next day. 729 00:29:16,004 --> 00:29:18,257 Okay, we have four more shows in which to complete it. 730 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:21,093 I would like to take this opportunity to thank 731 00:29:21,176 --> 00:29:23,178 my co-host and my co-hostess, 732 00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:25,055 John Lennon and Yoko Ono, 733 00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:25,847 Ralph Nader. 734 00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:29,309 - We'll see you tomorrow. - [cheers and applause] 735 00:29:29,393 --> 00:29:32,980 [music] 736 00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:40,153 INTERVIEWER: People tend to think Woodstock 737 00:29:40,237 --> 00:29:42,447 three years earlier was a big deal. 738 00:29:42,531 --> 00:29:46,201 But this was the best minds of the counterculture. 739 00:29:46,285 --> 00:29:48,829 Yoko had a lot of confidence 740 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,497 bringing these radical people 741 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:55,377 into this very, uh, middle class Amer... 742 00:29:55,460 --> 00:29:58,714 middle America space, putting that and seeing 743 00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:00,257 let's see what happens when we do this. 744 00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:04,553 In the environment where there weren't very many choices, 745 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,680 uh, in TV, 746 00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:08,765 to get the opportunity, that John and Yoko had, 747 00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:13,061 the "Mike Douglas Show" and then to use it as a platform 748 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:16,648 to bring the counterculture to people 749 00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:20,277 in a way that was actually quite friendly. 750 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,236 It was approachable. 751 00:30:21,278 --> 00:30:24,323 Well, I think John and Yoko reflected the importance 752 00:30:24,406 --> 00:30:28,118 of what you call the ephemeral and what I call, 753 00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:32,497 say, the spiritual and philosophical 754 00:30:32,581 --> 00:30:33,790 aspect of living. 755 00:30:33,874 --> 00:30:37,252 John Lennon and Yoko Ono didn't want us 756 00:30:37,336 --> 00:30:39,004 to talk about their music. 757 00:30:39,087 --> 00:30:41,131 That spoke for itself. 758 00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:43,633 I think for your... 759 00:30:44,009 --> 00:30:45,260 your general audience, 760 00:30:45,344 --> 00:30:49,431 those audiences that watched Mike Douglas. 761 00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:51,516 And to see... 762 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,271 Yoko, in particular, speaking up or even... 763 00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:58,315 in a sense, answering, uh, 764 00:30:58,398 --> 00:31:03,070 a question that had been put to... to John Lennon, 765 00:31:03,153 --> 00:31:06,239 I don't think it was a turnoff to... 766 00:31:06,323 --> 00:31:07,574 in particular to women. 767 00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:11,036 Now some men might have got turned off! 768 00:31:12,496 --> 00:31:15,499 The government's top mental health officials said today 769 00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:17,542 that marijuana laws are too strict. 770 00:31:17,626 --> 00:31:19,127 The report cites studies however 771 00:31:19,211 --> 00:31:23,715 that indicate motorists have their driving ability impaired 772 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:24,716 by marijuana use. 773 00:31:24,758 --> 00:31:26,343 STUDY SUPERVISOR: You'll drag for two seconds, 774 00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:28,178 then you'll hold for 15 seconds, 775 00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:29,096 then you'll exhale 776 00:31:29,137 --> 00:31:30,639 - and relax for 20 seconds. - MAN: Okay. 777 00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:32,933 ANCHOR: The smoking is carefully supervised 778 00:31:33,016 --> 00:31:34,309 by medics and psychiatrists. 779 00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:37,771 Marijuana, the study has found, dulls the senses. 780 00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:40,023 Many drivers drift across the center line, 781 00:31:40,107 --> 00:31:42,067 their ability to react impaired. 782 00:31:42,150 --> 00:31:45,445 The central nervous system's processing centers 783 00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:47,531 are affected... 784 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:50,784 [applause] 785 00:31:50,867 --> 00:31:51,952 MIKE: I... I thoroughly... 786 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:54,037 I thoroughly enjoyed yesterday's show. 787 00:31:54,121 --> 00:31:55,288 - Oh, we did too. - Did you? 788 00:31:55,372 --> 00:31:56,832 We did too. And we'd just like to say, 789 00:31:56,915 --> 00:31:58,333 you know, we... we sometimes get very nervous 790 00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:01,461 doing these things, and, uh, it's a very relaxing show. 791 00:32:01,545 --> 00:32:02,879 YOKO: Yes. You made us very relaxed. 792 00:32:02,963 --> 00:32:04,423 - Thank you. Thank you. - And that's so nice. 793 00:32:04,506 --> 00:32:06,091 MIKE: We've got such an interesting thing going. 794 00:32:06,174 --> 00:32:07,592 - The teacup... - Yes, oh, where is it? Oh! 795 00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:09,302 - It was interesting. - Oh, there it is, yeah. 796 00:32:09,386 --> 00:32:10,220 Am I supposed to... 797 00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:11,430 - Oh, it stayed a bit. - Yes. 798 00:32:11,513 --> 00:32:12,597 Well, it stayed together anyway. 799 00:32:12,681 --> 00:32:14,391 Well, I have to explain it. Oh, it did stay together. 800 00:32:14,474 --> 00:32:15,892 She has a lot of funny ideas, you know? 801 00:32:15,976 --> 00:32:17,978 Now, this is, uh, a sculpture and also, this is, uh, 802 00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:19,104 a sculpture called mend piece. 803 00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:20,856 And we're all going to mend it together. 804 00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:21,940 MIKE: One piece every day? 805 00:32:21,982 --> 00:32:23,233 YOKO: Yes, one piece every day. 806 00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:25,193 And in the end, probably we'll have a nice cup. 807 00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:26,695 JOHN: Do you want me to... 808 00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:27,529 Yes, you can... 809 00:32:27,571 --> 00:32:29,656 And also, meanwhile, while John is doing that, 810 00:32:29,739 --> 00:32:33,368 uh, we're going to the next audience piece, um, 811 00:32:33,452 --> 00:32:36,538 which is, um... yesterday, we did this touch piece, 812 00:32:36,621 --> 00:32:38,039 - remember? - Oh, yeah, this, this was... 813 00:32:38,123 --> 00:32:39,458 YOKO: Everybody touching each other? 814 00:32:39,541 --> 00:32:41,209 And you called this... they called this an... an event. 815 00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:42,335 - Yes. - You want to try... 816 00:32:42,419 --> 00:32:43,420 what are we gonna do today? 817 00:32:43,503 --> 00:32:44,921 Now, the minute, uh, when I raise my hand... 818 00:32:45,005 --> 00:32:46,548 - Listen to this. - Please start to shout, 819 00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:49,634 right away, start shouting the first word that came to you. 820 00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:50,927 - Until... - And don't be shy now, 821 00:32:51,011 --> 00:32:52,220 - don't be shy. - Wait a minute... 822 00:32:52,304 --> 00:32:53,763 - Keep on shouting. - Now, wait a minute... 823 00:32:53,847 --> 00:32:55,307 - [indistinct chatter] - Keep on shouting... 824 00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:56,683 You're on television, coast to coast. 825 00:32:56,766 --> 00:32:58,310 Well, yes, I'm sure truly beautiful people... 826 00:32:58,393 --> 00:33:00,812 - You'll never hear it. - So it'll be all right. 827 00:33:00,896 --> 00:33:02,564 YOKO: One, two, three! 828 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:03,857 AN: Mama! 829 00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:05,901 [audience shouting] 830 00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:08,987 MAN 1: Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. 831 00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:10,363 MAN 2; Hey, hey, hey! 832 00:33:10,447 --> 00:33:12,157 - Okay. Clears the air. - Exactly. 833 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,034 I think... yes, it did clear the air, didn't it? 834 00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:15,368 - Who said "Fatso?" - [chuckles] 835 00:33:15,452 --> 00:33:17,329 - MIKE: No, no. - No, it wasn't you, was it? 836 00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:20,457 What... what... why do you call 'em "events" and... and, 837 00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:22,209 - I want to start with her. - Oh, because, uh... 838 00:33:22,292 --> 00:33:23,835 it's a... it's... it's a kind of thing... 839 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:25,212 a "happening" is a bit more theatrical, 840 00:33:25,295 --> 00:33:28,548 but this is something that includes people in it, 841 00:33:28,632 --> 00:33:29,883 that's not... has no calculation, 842 00:33:29,966 --> 00:33:32,719 it's just that people who follow their own instinct 843 00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:34,304 and it has freedom in it, you know? 844 00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:37,015 Yeah. Whenever we have co-hosts on the show, 845 00:33:37,098 --> 00:33:39,059 we always explore their interests, 846 00:33:39,142 --> 00:33:41,228 and also book the show, uh, 847 00:33:41,311 --> 00:33:44,397 to make them happy, Jerry Rubin, who's an out... 848 00:33:44,481 --> 00:33:45,482 [John gasps] 849 00:33:45,565 --> 00:33:46,399 YOKO: Oh! 850 00:33:46,441 --> 00:33:47,359 MIKE: Ain't it funny? 851 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,277 You did that and the audience didn't react. 852 00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:49,903 I know. 853 00:33:49,945 --> 00:33:52,364 DI MASSA: Mike developed a very interesting relationship 854 00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,449 with John over the course of the week. 855 00:33:54,533 --> 00:33:55,575 You can see in the first show, 856 00:33:55,659 --> 00:33:56,952 there's a little bit of tenseness. 857 00:33:57,035 --> 00:33:58,286 And it starts to warm up and warm up. 858 00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:00,413 We're gonna spend the day talking, one of the shows, 859 00:34:00,497 --> 00:34:03,333 talking about the Beatles, but, uh, will the Beatles 860 00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:04,334 ever, for any reason, 861 00:34:04,376 --> 00:34:05,585 - for a charity reason... - Yeah. 862 00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:07,963 Or anything ever perform together again? 863 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:08,755 Let's say this. 864 00:34:08,797 --> 00:34:10,799 There's no reason why they never should do it again, 865 00:34:10,882 --> 00:34:13,218 but there's also no reason why they should. 866 00:34:13,301 --> 00:34:14,344 And like, anything's possible. 867 00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:17,389 And, uh, just to get it straight, once and for all, 868 00:34:17,472 --> 00:34:19,140 we're not all at each other's throats. 869 00:34:19,224 --> 00:34:22,143 When those court cases... it gets, you know, 870 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:23,228 when lawyers get involved, 871 00:34:23,270 --> 00:34:24,813 it looks vicious and it gets in the paper. 872 00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:28,441 But, uh, I talk to Paul about once a week. 873 00:34:28,525 --> 00:34:30,485 He called me two days ago to say he'd just been 874 00:34:30,569 --> 00:34:32,737 to dinner with Ringo and he was just going 875 00:34:32,821 --> 00:34:33,738 to dinner with George. 876 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:35,240 And I said, "Well, you better catch George" 877 00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:36,575 'cause he's on his way over here, 878 00:34:36,658 --> 00:34:38,201 "and then he's going to Bangladesh." You know? 879 00:34:38,285 --> 00:34:39,703 We're having a quite normal relationship. 880 00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:41,162 And you know what each other is up to. 881 00:34:41,246 --> 00:34:43,039 But musically, we're, we're... musically we feel as though 882 00:34:43,123 --> 00:34:44,583 we can express ourselves better as individuals, 883 00:34:44,666 --> 00:34:46,376 that's all, you know? And it came to a head. 884 00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:48,295 And we're all friends, you know? 885 00:34:48,378 --> 00:34:49,462 But we just... you never know 886 00:34:49,546 --> 00:34:50,964 what's gonna happen in the future, but, uh... 887 00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:52,632 When you were with the Beatles, 888 00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:54,426 you... you didn't express yourself 889 00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:55,510 politically at all, did you? 890 00:34:55,594 --> 00:34:58,013 Well, let's say, uh, it was a slow development. 891 00:34:58,096 --> 00:35:02,100 But, uh, on our first tour, there was a... 892 00:35:02,183 --> 00:35:04,978 a sort of unspoken thing that, uh, Mr. Epstein 893 00:35:05,061 --> 00:35:07,355 was preventing us talking about the Vietnam War. 894 00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:10,775 And, um, before we came back the second time to America, 895 00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:11,860 George and I said to him, 896 00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:13,403 "We don't go unless we answer that question, 897 00:35:13,486 --> 00:35:14,487 what we feel about the war." 898 00:35:14,571 --> 00:35:15,864 'Cause you were being asked about it. 899 00:35:15,947 --> 00:35:17,490 Because we were being asked about it all the time. 900 00:35:17,574 --> 00:35:18,992 It was just silly, and we had to pretend 901 00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:20,702 to be like, you know, in the old days when artists 902 00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,329 weren't meant to say anything about anything. 903 00:35:22,412 --> 00:35:25,040 But we spoke our minds after that, you know? 904 00:35:25,123 --> 00:35:26,875 And also, the Beatles were really 905 00:35:26,958 --> 00:35:28,418 a social event, you know? 906 00:35:28,501 --> 00:35:29,377 It was a fantastic thing 907 00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:30,920 that we changed the society in a way. 908 00:35:31,004 --> 00:35:32,505 In that sense it was political, I think. 909 00:35:32,589 --> 00:35:34,090 I think something like that comes along 910 00:35:34,174 --> 00:35:36,134 once about every 20 or 30 years. 911 00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:37,218 Well, I thought it was 10, 912 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,304 because there was 10 years between us and Elvis. 913 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:41,181 And there's 10 between him and Johnnie Ray. 914 00:35:41,264 --> 00:35:42,766 I'm not doing... saying anything demeaning 915 00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:44,059 - about El... Elvis, but... - Yeah. 916 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,769 But, I don't... I haven't seen anything 917 00:35:45,852 --> 00:35:47,646 as big as the Beatles. I mean... 918 00:35:47,729 --> 00:35:48,730 JOHN: Well, I don't know. 919 00:35:48,772 --> 00:35:50,023 Well, maybe I'm still an Elvis fan. 920 00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:52,984 [laughs] I think he's pretty damn big, you know? 921 00:35:53,068 --> 00:35:54,110 - Yes. - I suppose the Beatles 922 00:35:54,194 --> 00:35:55,862 - are like that in a way, too. - And he has surprised 923 00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:57,572 everyone because I remember when he happened, uh, 924 00:35:57,656 --> 00:36:00,075 all the critics were saying it would be an overnight thing, 925 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:01,826 that in a year, nobody would ever hear of him. 926 00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:03,370 And he's certainly fooled a lot of people. 927 00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:05,038 JOHN: You know, the reviews of our second record 928 00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:06,039 was below par Beatles. 929 00:36:06,081 --> 00:36:07,707 This was in England before we'd even made it here. 930 00:36:07,791 --> 00:36:10,085 They were already saying, you're on your way out. 931 00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:11,294 This is on our second record. 932 00:36:11,378 --> 00:36:15,340 So, I mean, any... they've been saying rock and roll was dead 933 00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:17,384 since it began. You know? It'll never die. 934 00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:19,427 Like jazz, it's like the people who said jazz 935 00:36:19,511 --> 00:36:21,221 is immoral, or jazz is dead. 936 00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:23,390 You know, that it's a... it's a certain form of music 937 00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:24,516 that'll go on and on forever. 938 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,267 - I don't see any reason... - YOKO: Is it fair to say, 939 00:36:26,351 --> 00:36:27,811 John, that you have become very political 940 00:36:27,894 --> 00:36:29,187 and even radical in your thinking? 941 00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:31,314 - Is that your next question? - Well, I don't know, Mike. 942 00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:32,232 MIKE: Yes, it is. 943 00:36:32,273 --> 00:36:33,733 How do you expect me to remember all that? 944 00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:35,443 - I've got to write it down. - YOKO: I just want... 945 00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:36,528 No, but see the thing is, 946 00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:37,946 because the world's, uh, you know, be... 947 00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:39,072 become a bit more mature too, 948 00:36:39,155 --> 00:36:42,283 but we were interested in, um, you know, the aspect 949 00:36:42,367 --> 00:36:45,161 of say female liberation, things like that, 950 00:36:45,245 --> 00:36:47,789 that people are not too interested in the times, 951 00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:49,499 in the days of Beatles, let's say, you know? 952 00:36:49,582 --> 00:36:51,376 - And we are grateful so... - Also it was a develop... 953 00:36:51,459 --> 00:36:53,044 - a personal development. - It's a development. 954 00:36:53,128 --> 00:36:55,505 I mean, I was 20... let's say I was 25 or something, 955 00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:57,257 and we were busy in our own lives, 956 00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:58,800 'cause it's a lot of pressure that we have... 957 00:36:58,883 --> 00:37:01,720 hardly had to time to think, never mind be political. 958 00:37:01,803 --> 00:37:04,180 But we were conscious of our connection with youth 959 00:37:04,264 --> 00:37:08,852 and the fact that we were changing people's hairstyles 960 00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:09,811 and their dress styles. 961 00:37:09,853 --> 00:37:13,022 And that was the revolution we were into at the time. 962 00:37:13,106 --> 00:37:14,816 You're responsible for bringing 963 00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:15,859 these two people to us, 964 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:18,111 so why don't you handle their first introduction 965 00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:19,654 to nationwide television? 966 00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:21,114 Chris and Joanna, 967 00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:22,365 and, uh, beautiful singers 968 00:37:22,449 --> 00:37:23,700 and, uh, they have a story to tell, 969 00:37:23,783 --> 00:37:25,452 and they're gonna come on now and do it. 970 00:37:25,535 --> 00:37:26,953 Here they are, Yellow Pearl. 971 00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:27,704 [applause] 972 00:37:27,746 --> 00:37:32,083 But the real story happened before this. [Laughs] 973 00:37:36,421 --> 00:37:38,548 That's what got us in trouble. 974 00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:40,592 [laughs] 975 00:37:40,884 --> 00:37:45,388 Usually, people know very little about... 976 00:37:45,805 --> 00:37:46,598 Asians... 977 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:48,933 and this is a song about our movement, 978 00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:52,353 about our people's plight in America. 979 00:37:55,398 --> 00:37:59,944 ♪ We are the children of the migrant worker ♪ 980 00:38:00,028 --> 00:38:04,741 ♪ We are the offspring of the concentration camp ♪ 981 00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:09,204 ♪ Sons and daughters of the railroad builder ♪ 982 00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:13,792 ♪ Who leave their stamp on America ♪ 983 00:38:16,628 --> 00:38:20,882 ♪ We are the children of the Chinese waiter ♪ 984 00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:25,094 ♪ Born and raised in the laundry rooms ♪ 985 00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:29,849 ♪ We are the offspring of the Japanese gardener ♪ 986 00:38:29,933 --> 00:38:33,269 ♪ Who leave their stamp on America ♪ 987 00:38:33,353 --> 00:38:34,312 NOBUKO: Chris ljima 988 00:38:34,354 --> 00:38:35,772 was a pretty exceptional person, 989 00:38:35,855 --> 00:38:36,898 both politically. 990 00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:39,901 He went to Columbia University, 991 00:38:39,984 --> 00:38:40,985 but he also loved music. 992 00:38:41,069 --> 00:38:46,449 I had never seen an Asian American sing like him 993 00:38:46,533 --> 00:38:47,700 or play like him. 994 00:38:47,784 --> 00:38:51,830 ♪ Sing a song for ourselves ♪ 995 00:38:51,913 --> 00:38:55,124 ♪ What have we got to lose? ♪ 996 00:38:55,208 --> 00:38:58,670 ♪ Sing a song for ourselves ♪ 997 00:38:58,753 --> 00:39:01,631 ♪ We got the right to choose ♪ 998 00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:04,676 ♪ We got the right to choose ♪ 999 00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:07,887 ♪ We got the right to choose ♪ 1000 00:39:07,971 --> 00:39:14,227 We had a long drive from New York to Philadelphia. 1001 00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:15,311 John and Yoko were sitting 1002 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:16,563 in the front of the limousine... 1003 00:39:16,646 --> 00:39:21,776 a very long stretch, with, uh, Jerry Rubin. 1004 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:24,779 And Chris and I in the backseat saying, 1005 00:39:24,863 --> 00:39:27,866 we... we... 'cause we did... we did all this material 1006 00:39:27,949 --> 00:39:28,700 all the time. 1007 00:39:28,741 --> 00:39:29,784 So what are we going to sing? 1008 00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,871 And we said, "Well, if we get one song to sing, 1009 00:39:32,954 --> 00:39:35,582 we should sing 'We Are The Children, "' 1010 00:39:35,665 --> 00:39:37,625 because that tells our story. 1011 00:39:37,709 --> 00:39:42,088 ♪ Foster children of the Pepsi generation ♪ 1012 00:39:42,171 --> 00:39:45,216 ♪ Cowboys and Indians ride ♪ 1013 00:39:45,300 --> 00:39:47,635 - ♪ Red man ride... ♪ - Yeah. 1014 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,806 ♪ Watching war movies with the next-door neighbor ♪ 1015 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:56,185 ♪ Secretly rooting for the other side ♪ 1016 00:39:56,269 --> 00:39:56,853 Yeah. 1017 00:39:56,895 --> 00:39:58,104 Of course, we were two hours late. 1018 00:39:58,187 --> 00:40:01,482 There were people outside the theater gathered, 1019 00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:03,735 waiting to see John Lennon. 1020 00:40:03,818 --> 00:40:06,738 As soon as we get in there they wanted to see us, 1021 00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:08,364 what we're going to do immediately. 1022 00:40:08,448 --> 00:40:12,410 So we sang the song, very simply, uh, you... 1023 00:40:12,493 --> 00:40:16,831 and we got to the part, "Watching war movies 1024 00:40:16,915 --> 00:40:17,916 with a next-door neighbor." 1025 00:40:17,999 --> 00:40:20,835 ♪ Secretly rooting for the other side ♪ 1026 00:40:20,919 --> 00:40:22,754 And boom, director comes up 1027 00:40:22,837 --> 00:40:24,839 and says, "Excuse me. 1028 00:40:24,923 --> 00:40:27,258 What other songs do you have to sing?" 1029 00:40:27,342 --> 00:40:28,968 Chris and I look at each other. 1030 00:40:29,052 --> 00:40:31,095 Uh, we're going to sing this one. 1031 00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:36,100 "Well, well, you know there's a couple of lines in there 1032 00:40:36,184 --> 00:40:38,853 that will upset the housewives 1033 00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:39,938 of the Midwest." 1034 00:40:39,979 --> 00:40:42,899 "Watching movies with a next-door neighbor, 1035 00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:45,318 secretly... uh, rooting 1036 00:40:45,401 --> 00:40:47,111 for the other side" 1037 00:40:47,195 --> 00:40:49,072 seems subversive. 1038 00:40:49,155 --> 00:40:52,116 And then, John Lennon 1039 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,080 and, uh, comes up trying to mediate. 1040 00:40:57,163 --> 00:40:59,040 And I'm thinking, would he change his words 1041 00:40:59,123 --> 00:41:02,502 from strawberry to raspberry if somebody asked him to? 1042 00:41:02,585 --> 00:41:05,630 And then the director again came at us and said, 1043 00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:09,050 you know, "Well, what other songs can you sing?" 1044 00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:11,386 I try to be accommodating myself 1045 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:14,263 and be a good Asian, I guess. 1046 00:41:14,347 --> 00:41:15,223 H's my upbringing. 1047 00:41:15,264 --> 00:41:18,601 But all of a sudden, I just... something took over me 1048 00:41:18,685 --> 00:41:19,727 and I said, 1049 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,647 "You, you put us in concentration camps, 1050 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:26,401 and you're saying we can't sing this song?" 1051 00:41:27,276 --> 00:41:30,571 And I turn around and I walk out 1052 00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:31,489 towards the door. 1053 00:41:31,531 --> 00:41:34,409 And the director comes running after me and says, 1054 00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:36,035 "No, no, no, no. 1055 00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:39,372 You can sing anything you want." 1056 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:41,541 And I'm like, "Oh." 1057 00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:47,463 I still had my finger pointed at him, like, "Oh, my God. 1058 00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:49,048 Did I do that?" 1059 00:41:49,090 --> 00:41:53,261 ♪ We are the cousins of the freedom fighter ♪ 1060 00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:57,807 ♪ Brothers and sisters all around the world ♪ 1061 00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:01,352 ♪ We are a part of the Third World people ♪ 1062 00:42:01,436 --> 00:42:05,189 ♪ Who will leave their stamp on America ♪ 1063 00:42:05,273 --> 00:42:09,235 ♪ Who will leave their stamp on America ♪ 1064 00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:13,197 ♪ Who will leave our stamp on America ♪ 1065 00:42:13,281 --> 00:42:17,326 ♪ Who will leave our stamp on America ♪ 1066 00:42:17,410 --> 00:42:21,581 ♪ America! ♪ 1067 00:42:21,664 --> 00:42:24,625 ♪ And leave our stamp on America ♪ 1068 00:42:24,709 --> 00:42:28,004 ♪ We will leave our stamp on America ♪ 1069 00:42:28,087 --> 00:42:32,133 ♪ We will leave our stamp and stamp and stamp ♪ 1070 00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:37,305 ♪ And we will leave our stamp and stamp and stamp ♪ 1071 00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:41,059 ♪ Sing a song for ourselves ♪ 1072 00:42:41,142 --> 00:42:44,145 ♪ What have we got to lose? ♪ 1073 00:42:44,228 --> 00:42:47,523 ♪ Sing a song for ourselves ♪ 1074 00:42:47,607 --> 00:42:50,318 ♪ We got the right to choose ♪ 1075 00:42:50,401 --> 00:42:52,820 ♪ We got the right to choose ♪ 1076 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:55,573 ♪ We got the right We got the right ♪ 1077 00:42:55,656 --> 00:43:00,328 ♪ We got the right We got the right ♪ 1078 00:43:00,870 --> 00:43:04,499 [applause] 1079 00:43:12,340 --> 00:43:13,674 [chuckles] 1080 00:43:13,758 --> 00:43:14,967 INTERVIEWER: That poor director 1081 00:43:15,051 --> 00:43:16,052 on the "Mike Douglas Show," 1082 00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,805 did he know what he was walking into? 1083 00:43:18,888 --> 00:43:22,767 Well, he deserved it. [Laughs] 1084 00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:28,231 [music] 1085 00:43:38,533 --> 00:43:40,827 INTERVIEWER: If you didn't know that was John Lennon 1086 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:41,661 and Yoko, 1087 00:43:41,702 --> 00:43:44,413 were you ever able to sort of get a bead on them 1088 00:43:44,497 --> 00:43:45,706 as human beings? 1089 00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:48,084 OBUKO: Yoko had a lot of confidence 1090 00:43:48,167 --> 00:43:49,085 in what she was doing. 1091 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:52,255 She was a performance artist extraordinaire. 1092 00:43:52,338 --> 00:43:53,840 And I think for John and Yoko, 1093 00:43:53,923 --> 00:43:57,718 they were very aware also of this performance 1094 00:43:57,802 --> 00:43:59,595 between the movement in a way 1095 00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,808 and the greater audience that they were reaching. 1096 00:44:03,891 --> 00:44:08,187 GARY SCHWARTZ: I didn't sense them in any way competitive. 1097 00:44:08,271 --> 00:44:10,940 I felt that they were very appreciative 1098 00:44:11,023 --> 00:44:12,817 of each other's questions. 1099 00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:15,403 ROSENBOOM: One of them is a superstar. 1100 00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:19,824 The other is very important artist. 1101 00:44:19,907 --> 00:44:23,452 And yet it was equals right away. 1102 00:44:23,536 --> 00:44:24,537 They combine beautifully. 1103 00:44:24,579 --> 00:44:27,248 It was like one plus one equals three. 1104 00:44:27,331 --> 00:44:29,041 AN: There was such a camaraderie 1105 00:44:29,125 --> 00:44:30,793 between the two of them. 1106 00:44:30,877 --> 00:44:33,337 And Yoko was Yoko, you know. 1107 00:44:33,421 --> 00:44:35,464 She's gonna answer. 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