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They're more important to me.

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They're... they're here,
to a human being in my eyes.

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That's how pure they are.

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Here.

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There's nothing
fantastic about a human being.

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We hurt each other, we lie to each other,

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we steal from each other,
we kill each other.

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Tell me what a dog does.

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They love you.

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They... they are loyal to you.

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They never leave you.

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They don't want anything from you.

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Can't say the same thing
about human beings.

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As a country, we love dogs.

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Yeah, 180 pounds, nothing but love.

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- Oh, my God...
- Dogs are children.

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They're part of the family.

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There's a growing
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pet clothing and accessories.

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Oh, he's famous!

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A facelift for dogs.

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You might think of
dogs as sort of occupying

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now a border species
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What? Seriously?

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Pets are family.

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The law needs to recognize that.

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♪ Give it up to me, baby ♪

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It is civil rights violations.

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Instead of on people, it's on...

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Can you ing believe this?

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Their pets.

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The dog has a lawyer.

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Justice will be served!

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Our relationship with
animals offered this window...

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That's like raw, that's raw.

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Into the human
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- that's just...
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stunningly...

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- Bite, bite, bite, bite, bite!
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I communicate to them
like an energy, like a soul.

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I call it the Me Too movement for dogs.

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- Well...
- We fetishize these animals.

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That's my little boy.

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It's a family member.

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They don't belong in this world.

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It's animals perceived as legal persons.

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♪ Oh, anyway ♪

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Detroit, Detroit sucks.

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We can have that discussion anywhere.

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Detroit sucks.

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Yeah, Detroit sucks.

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We call it little Vietnam.

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Like, how long does it take in Europe,

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like after somebody gets shot,
before they come get the body?

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Never seen a body.

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See my point?

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See, so we be over here
with PTSD as kids.

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That's not like if
you go to the gas station.

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Don't take your ass to
the gas station at night.

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Don't do it.

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Don't do it.

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You want to see England again?

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Don't do it.

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This Babycakes right here.

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Yeah, 180 pounds.

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Nothing but love.

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Yeah, she was going to
live at least to 11 years old.

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But Detroit police
deemed that unnecessary.

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Police claimed
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that supposedly ran in this yard.

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The dog was chained here, um,
for bathroom break.

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They came in, they searched, left.

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Like, the person they were
looking for, they never found.

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We're not spotlighted
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when it come to, you know, police stuff.

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Unless it's, like, violence.

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Like, black-on-black violence.

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CNN highlight that.

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But anything else, they won't highlight it.

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When I looked on the Internet,
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five other cases of dogs getting shot.

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I'm like, don't nobody think that's, like, a

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you know, a coincidence that

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it's happening here like that?

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I was frustrated at the time,

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and I knew somebody
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So I go in my office, and I type in,

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like, "United States dog lawyer."

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"Michigan dog lawyer."

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"Dog shot by police."

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Then his name started popping
up, like, five, six cases.

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I'm like, search him.

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The police here have run
roughshod over its population,

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and these dog shootings
are just a part of that.

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It is a reflection of civil rights violations.

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Instead of on people, it's on their pets.

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The vast majority of, uh, my clients,

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in these kind of cases,

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are living in
some pretty significant poverty.

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The police attitude is
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As part of that, they are more willing

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to take the extreme action
of shooting their dogs.

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One of the defendants
who I've sued more than once

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as a Detroit police officer has shot 80,

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at least 80 dogs.

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Ha! Well, it wasn't by design
or choice, I'll tell you that.

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My whole career has been spent
enforcing the Constitution,

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limiting the power of government.

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One of the really neat
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is that we can take action
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in a court and win.

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Back here is where they started...

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There used to be a van right here.

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I mean, it shouldn't have
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to kill my dogs, but it took them

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like 40 shots, literally.

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With assault rifles?

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- Of assault rifles.
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They shot those dogs over this fence,

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in a contained area, three of them.

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And you know, when I came back here,

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now it's just all coming back.

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I've never been back here since.

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But finding all the bullets, and...

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This is just crazy.

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And it's the aftermath. I couldn't take it.

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My whole life had changed.

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Even now, it's just like,
now, just the feeling, like,

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remembering, looking at everything

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and how it happened, just

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it's not a good feeling.

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The question I ask juries
when I try these cases is,

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what would you pay to not see this?

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Uh, people are always
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you know, the magnitude
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it's like, well, it's just a dog, they say.

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Some people say it's just a dog.

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But it's not just a dog, right?

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- Not to you.
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- So, um...
- It's family.

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Well, the dog
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The owner has rights.

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On the Daryll Lindsay case,
we got $100,000 for a dog.

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But see, there wasn't
$100,000 for the dog.

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You know, he's not a $100,000 dog.

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It's $100,000 of pain and suffering

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that flows naturally from
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To put it differently,

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I'm representing
the property owner's interests.

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And a dog is a thing that cops
just can't unreasonably take.

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It's weird.

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That's how you know it's just not a thing.

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You know what I'm saying? Like, a thing.

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Like, I got a car that got...
You know, I got a Corvette

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that got stole, and
I could care less about it.

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You know, we're talking about a dog.

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It's not a thing.

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So on the one hand,
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these animals, they're our companions,

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they're our children, they're all this stuff.

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But under the law,
they're considered property.

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I'm sitting on this stool, right?

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This is my property.

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Is that my horse there
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taking hay that they're not
supposed to be taking?

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Is that my property,
or is that a sentient being?

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The gut reaction is,

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there's something really morally wrong

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about humans thinking
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♪ 'Cause everybody knows,
everybody knows ♪

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♪ Everybody, everybody knows ♪

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Their life is their own, and
nobody has a right to own them.

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As property,
you don't have rights,

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and you can't go to
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So if somebody assaults you,
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if somebody uses you or
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to stop that, or no recourse to prevent it.

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Yeah, I know he's
giving you sign language behind.

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I can see you rolling your eyes,
looking up at Hasan.

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You think I'm a fucking idiot?

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No, no, I didn't.

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Okay, well, I only have a film crew here

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filming about your boy once in a lifetime.

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Hey, hey, baby.

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I still have
at the house. I can't.

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If I leave the house,
the house is going to collapse.

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Oh.

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Okay.

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Well, the justice system
in America is going to collapse.

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Okay, okay, okay. Okay, got to go.

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Baba, bye.

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He's watched me sit here
for five years, endless nights

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on a computer, seeking,
trying to sort it all out.

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What's the saying?

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It's, um, nothing
compares to a mother's love.

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This would be
Delilah Sandalwood's ashes.

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And you see Delilah, the youngie.

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All of my animals,
I do private cremations.

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I don't want anyone else's remains.

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I just want theirs.

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This is Kramer's ashes,
and I have a nice card

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from the veterinarian.

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Precious memories.

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I... I open these boxes
sometimes when I dust the shelf.

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Makes me, lets me remember and...
and reflect on the years,

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all their devotion and
loyalty that they gave me.

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I don't have anything of Diesel.

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This is... this is my urn for Diesel.

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I have a Red Nubby Week Week.

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Rather than get a coffee can
and shove a ball in it

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and pretend that it's ashes of the dog

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that the city murdered,
I decided to use this

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as... my memory, my memory of Deezy.

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He was a comical boy, so smart,
and he always talked back.

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Every question I asked him, he said,

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he always talked back.

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Yeah, are you done working?

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I always wanted
that opportunity to cherish

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a child and let them
know that they're my world.

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Those weren't the cards I was dealt.

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Still a woman, almost 52 in November,

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still pray every day to God
for a baby, for that miracle.

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Gotta have a man, though.

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I invest into the four-legged children.

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They allow me to care
for something that needs me.

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They need me, but I need them.

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Whatever I do, I think of them first.

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I know my duty as a mother.

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It's a lot of work. It's hard work.

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It's a lot of sleepless nights,
just like human babies.

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The best way that I could describe it

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to someone who would say,
it's just a dog.

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You're paying all these legal fees.

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You're crying every day.

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You carry this awful guilt.

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You're living with
PTSD because of a dog?

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Imagine your daughter or your son.

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In my heart of hearts,
I don't believe he's dead.

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I don't have a body.
I don't have a bandana.

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I have nothing.

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I have nothing to tell me
that he's gone. Nothing.

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For the rest of my life, I won't believe

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he's dead unless I saw a body.

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Our relationships with animals
offer this window into

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the human heart and the human
mind that's just intense.

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In our relationships with dogs,
you see the best

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and the worst in what...
what it means to be human.

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Anthrozoology is a relatively
new field, and it's the study

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of human-animal interactions
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So everything from,
you know, why we love pets,

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um, to how we think about
the use of animals in research,

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to why we eat some animals
and don't eat other ones.

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Our interactions with animals cover

258
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such a spectrum of human life.

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It's... you know,
from... from my point of view,

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it's just... it's just delicious.

261
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Well, this is Full Moon Farm.

262
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We're actually
Full Moon Farm Incorporated,

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a North Carolina nonprofit.

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We are a sanctuary
and rescue for wolf dogs.

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All of the pens are color-coded,
yellow being caution.

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They could be escape risks.

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They could be, um, thieves.

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Red is they have a bite history.

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Ho, ho, ho, ho! Easy!

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They have a court history,
or they're just nasty dogs.

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Wolfdogs are intelligent,

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opportunistic, problem-solving thinkers.

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And if they had opposable thumbs,

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they would probably rule the world.

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And they are smarter
than the people who bought them.

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So, you wind up with the failure
of the human-dog bond, right?

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These guys are all sort of,
I don't want to say victims,

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but they're lucky to
be living here because

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what happened is someone has

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a romantic fantasy about living,
living with a wolf.

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A lot of people buy wolf dogs as
a quote-unquote ego experience.

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Not everybody gets
a pet for the right reason.

283
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Right there is a perfect example.

284
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Hi, baby.

285
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It's all right. I promise.

286
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That animal is 16 years old.

287
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He spent his life on a chain.

288
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He had no quality of life.

289
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When I got him, he was on death's door.

290
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That's not responsible animal ownership.

291
00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,056
Animal control took him
because he has a bite history.

292
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He bit a vet tech.
He'd been a shelter worker.

293
00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,976
He'd bit the guy's surviving spouse.

294
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He's never even grumbled at me.

295
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He loves me.

296
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Other than that, he will eat anybody.

297
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Would we be better off
not having wolf dogs at all?

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In other words, if you had, -No.

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- In the world...
- It's not their fault.

300
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It's not because they're wolf dogs.

301
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It's because their owner
never put the time into them.

302
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If you cannot invest
a good part of your heart,

303
00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,336
your soul, and your money into a pet,

304
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don't get one.

305
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Have you ever had
ones that were so bad

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that you would have
to have them put down?

307
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If I have to put
an animal down for aggression,

308
00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,576
and I have had put two down,

309
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both of them had brain tumors.

310
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I want to be able to justify in my heart,

311
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and my mind, why did I have to take

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that animal's life.

313
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I want to know why.

314
00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,696
Well, that's a pretty
extraordinary track record,

315
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given the number of animals
that you've rescued here.

316
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There's probably been 700 through here.

317
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700 animals, and only two of them.

318
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- Yeah.
- And both of them...

319
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Given the fact that they're
here because they had problems

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that were so severe that other
people could not

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00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,856
deal with those, that's a great record.

322
00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:38,960
Yeah.

323
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I'm not normal.

324
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I believe in the other side.

325
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You can call it heaven.

326
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You can call it the bridge.

327
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,736
You can call it
whatever the heck you want.

328
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,096
But when I've got
an animal that's in my lap

329
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that's crossing to the next world, I feel it,

330
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I see it, I hear it, I sense it,

331
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,160
and I go with them as they cross.

332
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,360
And that's the only way
I could do what I do.

333
00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,080
If I didn't believe in that

334
00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,840
or have that compassion,
I couldn't do this.

335
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,376
- Diesel?
- Yeah.

336
00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,400
No.

337
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,080
Diesel is not a dangerous dog.

338
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,520
He was a gorgeous dog, inside and out.

339
00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:39,840
He had a rough-ass life.

340
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,920
It took him a long time to understand

341
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,880
that his life was gonna be better.

342
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,400
For what?

343
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,160
For what?

344
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,976
It was a really warm day,
so I had the screen door locked.

345
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,616
And Deezy liked, he always would sit

346
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,800
and watch the squirrels
run up and down this tree.

347
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,776
Carolyn, the mail lady, came.

348
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,016
She walks up the driveway.

349
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,520
She walked up on the porch.

350
00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,416
And Diesel's saying, rawr!

351
00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,416
She slams the mailbox.

352
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,640
She comes, something, a bag,
her hand jiggles this door.

353
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,440
That was game over for Diesel.

354
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,440
I hear, he got me, he got me.

355
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,576
He got the back of her ankle, her shoe.

356
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,336
He peed all over the... the tile here,

357
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,416
and ran directly to his crate.

358
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,576
It wasn't horrible.

359
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,376
I mean, there was blood there,
but it didn't seem

360
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,896
as if it was too deep or anything like that,

361
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,656
so I held her leg up.

362
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,176
And of course, I seen a little
bit of blood dripping out,

363
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,336
but it wasn't like, oh, my God, like,

364
00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:53,896
her leg broke off.

365
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,496
EMS showed up, and they treated her.

366
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,520
She actually walked, got up,
and walked to the gurney.

367
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,976
The police officer came, talked to Amy,

368
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,776
and then animal control showed up.

369
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,056
The animal control officer,

370
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,776
handed this form to Amy,
and she asked what it was.

371
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,336
The animal control officer told
Amy that the form authorizes,

372
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:18,656
uh, him to take the dog
to quarantine for 10 days.

373
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,816
I remember that it was
going to be $150, and I'm like,

374
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,536
oh, my God, 10 days, $150,
that's $1,500

375
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,056
that she's going
to have to pay out of pocket

376
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,176
for them to quarantine him.

377
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,576
She's very distraught and crying.

378
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,096
She signs the document.

379
00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,176
There was a lot going on.
I remember Amy crying.

380
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,016
They're taking my son,
and it was very, very emotional.

381
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,296
And what happened next
is not at all what was described

382
00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,096
by the animal control officer.

383
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:44,536
What happened, instead
of going to 10-day quarantine,

384
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,816
he put on the form instructions
to test for rabies,

385
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,360
and when you test for rabies,
um, they remove the head.

386
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,456
So she goes to court
10 days later for her hearing,

387
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,576
where she thinks,
you know, her dog's fate's

388
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,216
going to be decided,
and what she didn't know

389
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,600
was that the dog had been
dead 9 days already by then.

390
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,000
I just kept saying,
what happened to 10 days?

391
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,136
What happened to 10 days?

392
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,200
I need to talk to the judge.

393
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,056
Please, what happened?

394
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,880
He went for a quarantine.

395
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,176
I couldn't breathe.

396
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,096
I almost fell.

397
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:29,400
My knees wanted to buckle.

398
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,656
When a dog is going
to be tested for rabies,

399
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,696
what happens is that dog
is euthanized, the head of

400
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,416
the animal is removed,
that head is then placed

401
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:46,776
into a FedEx box and shipped cold to

402
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,200
an agency in Lansing, Michigan,
which is the state capital,

403
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,520
where the brain is then sliced into slides,

404
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,400
and it is tested to determine
whether it has rabies.

405
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,000
So her dog's dead within an hour.

406
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,976
She was duped by
an animal control officer,

407
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,760
which is basically a cop
who deals with animal issues.

408
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,656
He acted as judge, jury, and executioner,

409
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,920
and that's just not how this place works.

410
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,056
I have my baton, which we can

411
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,376
use this as what we call a bite stick,

412
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,080
or you can obviously use it on people.

413
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,896
I have my taser,
which will not go off now,

414
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,176
because I've taken the cartridge out.

415
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,656
You can either go direct
and tase, or with the cartridge,

416
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,696
it shoots out 25 feet and will tase

417
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,656
both humans and dogs as well with this.

418
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,856
You want to be really
careful where you use this

419
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,816
on an animal, because you can

420
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,616
you can really, shock and kill an animal

421
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,760
with this, so you have
to be really careful with that.

422
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,216
I've worked inner city,
and I know what it's like,

423
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,696
and it's tough.

424
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,560
You are overrun,
and you do have a lot of dogs.

425
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,536
I don't know this animal control officer,

426
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,856
so it's not fair of me to pass judgment.

427
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,760
In my opinion,
he wanted to rid the problem.

428
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,400
In the state of Connecticut, if a dog bites,

429
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,096
you're not euthanizing that dog,

430
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,176
nor is any veterinarian
euthanizing that dog,

431
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,376
for a term of 10 days.

432
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,016
Euthanasia, people think, is this,

433
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,616
like, great thing, and it's really not.

434
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,536
It's a very sad situation.

435
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,520
He was without his owner.

436
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,360
He was probably scared.

437
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,576
I hope to God he didn't bring him in on

438
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,256
a catch pole, because then you're on

439
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,320
the end of a steel pole with
a cable choking you up.

440
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,456
They feel every emotion,
everything you've got going,

441
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,296
they feel that through the leash.

442
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,096
So the guy was probably tense.

443
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:15,560
He was probably holding him tight.

444
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,296
And I don't know if
they did a straight stick.

445
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,936
Straight stick means that they take

446
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,136
the needle with the euthanization,

447
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,896
stick it right into the vein, and it goes

448
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,536
right through the system,
right to the heart,

449
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,600
and it's painful for the dog.

450
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,456
And when you have a dog that fights it,

451
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,976
and then you got to
go back at it a second time

452
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,216
and give him a second dose,

453
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,776
It's tough because

454
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,600
it's almost like a human with adrenaline.

455
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,440
You almost want to think
that he went out peacefully.

456
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,896
But did he? Who knows?

457
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,080
Who knows?

458
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,056
- So, we can cut this.
- Just...

459
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,360
Because that's like raw, that's raw.

460
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,096
The number one cause of
mortality for dogs globally

461
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,376
is humans, which I think
is kind of interesting

462
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,696
and a little disturbing.

463
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,656
We poison, we shoot, trap.

464
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,880
We kill dogs in a lot of different ways,

465
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,240
some of which we label "humane."

466
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,096
Typically, when there
is human-dog conflict,

467
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,776
it's the dog who gets blamed
and the dog who gets punished.

468
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,016
Biting is a natural behavior for dogs,

469
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,136
particularly when
they're feeling threatened.

470
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,760
So we shouldn't be so surprised.

471
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,640
People don't understand
or realize with canines' bites.

472
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,760
There's a bite and release,
a bite and hold.

473
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,336
There's pure, unadulterated
aggression, where it's bite,

474
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,960
bite, bite, bite, bite,
and they're going for the kill.

475
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,080
So a one bite to the ankle,
a bite and release,

476
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,816
that's to me reflexive and defensive.

477
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,656
Knowing canines as I do,
if the postal worker was able

478
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,576
to walk away, drive away,
she wasn't ripped

479
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,616
stem to stern,
that dog didn't deserve to die.

480
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,096
A dog is protecting
its territory, and its human.

481
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,160
But some people are sissies.

482
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,256
Hi, baby. Can I give kisses?

483
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,656
- Oh, yeah.
- Oh, my goodness.

484
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,816
He's fast with the mouth.

485
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,576
Oh, my goodness.

486
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,056
You're a beautiful boy.

487
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,960
Oh, my gosh.

488
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,376
Hi. Oh, my gosh. Hi.

489
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,096
I'm so happy to see you, too.

490
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,336
I'm so happy to see you.

491
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:02,496
You're just a boy.

492
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:03,816
He's just a baby.

493
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,256
- Yeah, he's 10 months.
- Gung-ho Sergio.

494
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,696
- Yes, right.
- Did I just, am I bleeding?

495
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,256
Yep, he got you a little bit.

496
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,456
- Did he nick?
- No, he didn't bite me.

497
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,936
His head hit me, that's it.

498
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,336
- Oh.
- That's it.

499
00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,216
It's just, he was too happy to see me.

500
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,616
That's why they call them alligators.

501
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,440
- Yeah.
- Just... they do make you bleed.

502
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,536
He got me yesterday.

503
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,776
Did he?

504
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,896
He didn't bite me. His head got me.

505
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,216
He was hugging me so tight.

506
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,616
Yo.

507
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,976
Sergio's a good boy, and he's gorgeous.

508
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000
Thank you.

509
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,720
Okay.

510
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,656
Assis. Assis.

511
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,920
No. Assis. Assis.

512
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,000
Assis.

513
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,056
And out.

514
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,120
Oh.

515
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,040
Out.

516
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,560
Out.

517
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:53,480
Out. Come on.

518
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,520
Out.

519
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Good boy.

520
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,920
How's that?

521
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,920
Good job, Sergio.

522
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,656
Well, there's... I mean, it's
in a professional way.

523
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,496
No, but you know... but you know what?

524
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,656
Robert, it shows the tolerance
and their strong will.

525
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:25,976
Right.

526
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,296
Their strong desire for that ball.

527
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,736
Right, I mean, basically...

528
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,736
Life... life is ball.

529
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,976
We... we use it on..

530
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Oh, yeah.

531
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,736
You didn't see me over there,
but I had tears

532
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,840
rolling down my face.

533
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,400
It's spectacular.

534
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,136
He does. He reminds me of
how much I loved him,

535
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,520
and the breed and why,
because they're so fascinating.

536
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,880
♪ One step as I take it ♪

537
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,216
♪ Sweeps me away ♪

538
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,160
♪ Beneath and above I am ♪

539
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,600
♪ Bursting passion ♪

540
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,416
♪ A taste of this direction ♪

541
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,736
When I was doing the ball,

542
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,496
his tail was obviously wagging.

543
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,800
He's happy. He's doing it for the reward.

544
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:21,960
They're not mean dogs. That's the thing.

545
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,336
Malinois are extremely prey-driven,

546
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,816
and so you just take that
prey drive, turn it into a game,

547
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,016
you give the dog a command,
and he says, "Okay, I'll do it",

548
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,136
"but I get the ball afterwards."
So it's all about the ball.

549
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,016
The ball is the reward. Ball is the reward.

550
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,416
Get loud.

551
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,816
Come on. Get loud.

552
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,056
Oh, good boy.

553
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,240
OPA.

554
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,696
You can train them
to do anything you want,

555
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,216
and that's the beauty of them.

556
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,856
But these guys can be a weapon,

557
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,120
you know, if they're getting
wrong people's hands.

558
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,776
So basically this is a training scenario,

559
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,136
and I give the command.

560
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,736
He runs about 300 feet.

561
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,360
And then bites the sleeve.

562
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,560
Those dogs are a hands-off
dog to me.

563
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,696
And any time I have to deal with one,

564
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,600
I'll be honest with you,
I do take extra precaution.

565
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,480
They're tough motherfucking dogs.

566
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,896
They're always on guard.
They're always high-strung.

567
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,056
They get possessive
of their house, of their yard.

568
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,176
That's why they're used for police.

569
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,136
That's why they're used for the military.

570
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,776
Those dogs need a job, want a job.

571
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,256
They need to work. They have that drive.

572
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,736
They don't belong as family dogs.

573
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,200
They are true working breed.

574
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,416
You can't train through something

575
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,560
that's instinctive and inherent. You can't.

576
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,576
You work with that instinct,
and you train through it.

577
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,000
You don't train it away.

578
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,136
I mean, you can put a sleeve
on in front of a Dutch Shepherd

579
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,376
and a Malinois that have never
ever worked a sleeve before,

580
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,816
and they know inherently what to do.

581
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,736
That's what dogs are bred for.

582
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,920
Those type of dogs were bred for that.

583
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,296
You have a place of innocence

584
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,976
that needs to be protected,

585
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,696
and there's somebody that's
on scene that can react

586
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,096
accordingly, as opposed
to eight minutes away,

587
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,920
which is the typical law
enforcement response time.

588
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,880
With an active shooter
canine team on scene,

589
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400
hopefully you're preventing it, period.

590
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,696
In war, you've got to believe
or you've got to be all in.

591
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,080
A school shooter is war,

592
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,480
and what you need are people
that are trained for that.

593
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,536
So I was a SEAL.

594
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,776
Um, I did five deployments.

595
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,016
Basic underwater demolition SEAL.

596
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,736
The toughest military
training in the world.

597
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,560
You know, they tied our feet,
tied our hands,

598
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,256
you know, and dumped us in the pool.

599
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,096
You have to find a space in your head.

600
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,200
You have to be relaxed. You
have to be smooth to not panic.

601
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,560
That's me, actually, right here.

602
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,496
So when I got out of the Navy
and I started my canine company,

603
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,896
little did I know
that I had a puppy, Eudoris,

604
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,416
that had the specific drives that I wanted.

605
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,496
This dog was my style, okay?

606
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,576
I want a high level of fight.

607
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,056
I want a high level of hunt, and
I want a high level of defense.

608
00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,600
He was your one in a million.

609
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,736
Tried to breed him multiple times.

610
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,416
Tried to recreate him.

611
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,056
Never really could have.

612
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,056
So then that's when
the Eudoris was first cloned,

613
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,936
approximately just over five years ago.

614
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,816
Eudoris!

615
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,896
He can't hear very well. Eudoris!

616
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,000
Come here, turd.

617
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,576
What's up, buddy? Yes.

618
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,816
He, you know, was the start
of everything,

619
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:27,096
and now it's clones of clones
and black squad, red squad,

620
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,296
blue squad because of that old man.

621
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,896
Do I see him in all the other ones?

622
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,616
Sure, because I look in their eyes.

623
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,296
I see his eyes, you know,

624
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,440
but there's only one, technically, of him.

625
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,376
He was a dog that I had
while I was in the Navy,

626
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,840
so he was there for me
in a lot of hard times.

627
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,896
So he's more, I'm more
emotionally attached to him

628
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,336
than, let's say, you know,
the guys that I train here

629
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,600
and push out.

630
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,640
All right, follow me, follow me.

631
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:08,520
Right now I've got 19 clones,
so I've got 25 dogs.

632
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,440
He's trained for Kentucky's SWAT team.

633
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,056
Eudoris.

634
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:21,040
They're all named Eudoris
because it's Eudoris.

635
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:23,640
The bloodline is Eudoris.

636
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,176
Um, I mean, at the end of the day,

637
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,576
on paper, they're products.

638
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,240
I mean, it's their inventory,

639
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,616
if that's how you want to look at them.

640
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,560
But yeah, I do...

641
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,096
It's very difficult for me to...

642
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,320
Um, um...

643
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Hey, Jimmy Gi, move, step out?

644
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,800
Thanks.

645
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,880
Um, it's very difficult for me.

646
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:08,776
I think some of them, I would
say, have souls, if you will.

647
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,096
Um, there's just something about

648
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,816
that one in a million dog,
meaning Eudoris.

649
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,736
You'd be surprised
how many people are

650
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,976
really not into the cloning of the dogs.

651
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,280
You'd be surprised.

652
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,776
There are some people that would
not buy a dog that's a clone.

653
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:34,576
But if a person goes into
an establishment and just starts

654
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,656
shooting people, innocent
people, what you need is

655
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,576
your one in a million dog.

656
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,000
We're asking a lot.

657
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,056
I'm asking these dogs to give me

658
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,416
one million percent in
an active shooter situation.

659
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,256
Now I want you to tear

660
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,296
the fucking face off that person
and commit to that said person.

661
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,536
The 50 other screaming people,
don't pay attention to you.

662
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,016
And I don't have any problems
with a canine used as a canary.

663
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,800
I would rather have the canine
than an innocent person.

664
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Being killed, correct.

665
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,920
There's people that look
at dogs as only tools.

666
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:27,280
And ain't no different than me
going to war for somebody else.

667
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,216
I'm just a tool over there
to make it happen.

668
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:33,896
A dog is a tool,

669
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,256
but I communicate to them
like a fucking...

670
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,016
Like an energy, like a soul.

671
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,816
We're in this together.

672
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,040
If I'm sending you into this
situation, I'm going with you.

673
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,680
Like if you look in the eyes
of most of these dogs,

674
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,936
I don't look at them as product.

675
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,280
I look at them as these souls
that are working for me.

676
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,056
We might think of
dogs as sort of occupying now

677
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,576
a border species,
but it's almost a border species

678
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,040
between animal and human.

679
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,256
You know, when people say,
like, you know my...

680
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,096
I think of my pets as my child.

681
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,456
But you wouldn't castrate
your child, or you wouldn't

682
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,176
force your dog to always
stay indoors like some of

683
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,896
my friends do with their cats
because they don't like the fact

684
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,816
that their cats really
want to go outside and hunt.

685
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,456
So on the one hand,
we say, you know, increasingly

686
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,816
animals are just like people,
but on the other hand,

687
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,896
if that's the case,
then we don't have the right

688
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,376
to buy them, sell them,

689
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,400
and inflict our desires on them.

690
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,856
I call that the pet keeper's paradox.

691
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,376
The more we think of animals
as autonomous creatures,

692
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,040
the less rights
we should have them as pets.

693
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,456
They do have a soul, whatever that,

694
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,136
I don't want to give
religious connotations,

695
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,976
but they do have, there's something

696
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,656
going on in there, you know,
that's not totally predictable.

697
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,080
They're sentient beings.

698
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,256
And then what we do is
for our own pleasure is

699
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,160
we impose our moral sense on them.

700
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,360
And, you know, to me, that's
something that I struggle with.

701
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,696
Let's call it what it is.

702
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,816
Let's don't call it guardianship.

703
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,016
Let's don't call it friendship.

704
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Let's call it ownership.

705
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,096
I did not.

706
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,800
Because the form that I saw

707
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,240
did not have all of this congestion on it.

708
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,480
It was very clean.

709
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,256
I, you know, I don't, I can't say that.

710
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,656
I don't know.

711
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,160
I'm just saying that in that moment,

712
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:06,376
the only thing I could think of is Diesel.

713
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,096
The only thing I could think of is

714
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,280
how this boy is going to view
his mom and dad.

715
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,416
Here we go again.

716
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,320
More humans that we can't,
that I can't trust.

717
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,056
The court called
the matter of civil action.

718
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,616
DeJonghe versus the city of Detroit.

719
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,056
When he arrived there,
he had the animal release form

720
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,136
signed by the plaintiff
and described what happened,

721
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,176
which was a pretty severe bite
on the plaintiff's mail carrier,

722
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,800
which was the reason for his
transporting the dog.

723
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,176
Plaintiff does admit that
she signed the release form,

724
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,376
which does surrender
her rights and her dog.

725
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,016
That's admitted by her.

726
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,960
That's shown by the exhibit
with her signature.

727
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,720
At the bottom of this form is a paragraph.

728
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,616
"I am relinquishing ownership"

729
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,456
"of the following described animals."

730
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,096
"I will not be able to find
out what happens to the animal"

731
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,936
"after I surrender them."

732
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,736
I would like to swear up and down

733
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,696
until I'm blue in the face
that that's not what I signed.

734
00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,520
And it sure as the hell
is not what I was told.

735
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,880
Diesel left here to go
to a 10 day quarantine.

736
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,080
Bottom line.

737
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,496
I think it is fair
to say that my client

738
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,336
consented to her dog being
transported for quarantine.

739
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,136
But that's not what happened.

740
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,216
What happened was the dog was
taken to the euthanasia entrance

741
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,096
and defendant
has provided a series of

742
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,136
instructions to euthanize this dog.

743
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,176
Surrender to ACO, bite case.

744
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,256
Needs HR, which is
a deposition testimony,

745
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,000
should not have removed him.

746
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,280
Yeah, they murdered him.

747
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,040
And he died so fucking scared.

748
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,616
And it's not fair that I live
my life the same way now.

749
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,080
I'm scared of everything.

750
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,016
Everything in my world is

751
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,376
how am I going to protect these boys?

752
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,056
Von Deuce and Luca.

753
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,480
How am I going to protect them
against what happened?

754
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,400
These guys have lived
in four walls their whole life.

755
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,696
My boys, they don't leave their gate.

756
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:39,536
They do not leave their backyard.

757
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,336
And it's not because they're bad boys.

758
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,400
It's because I'm screwed up.

759
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,856
Thanks to the city.

760
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,160
Thanks to them killing my dog.

761
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,360
Under conditions of
sensory under stimulation.

762
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,096
If you think about humans
who are incarcerated

763
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,296
and are kept in solitary confinement,

764
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,040
I mean, they actually go mad

765
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,696
because of the sensory deprivation

766
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,760
and the system gets overloaded.

767
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,200
I know.

768
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,240
Did you... did she get your
adrenaline going a little?

769
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,840
Yeah. She always gets
my adrenaline going.

770
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,216
This is Bella.

771
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,776
Her nickname is Mrs. Bitey.

772
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,696
She has a distrust of humans
that she has maintained

773
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:53,080
for 11 years quite stubbornly.

774
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,680
And I respect that about her.

775
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,800
I think I have
a distrust of humans as well.

776
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,400
So.

777
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,376
The expectation that a dog
should be a certain way is,

778
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,936
I think, quite strong in our culture,

779
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,576
that dogs should be friendly,

780
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,496
that they should want to be petted.

781
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,216
I have to kind of stand between her

782
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,256
and approaching people and just say,

783
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,016
"She'd rather not be touched by you."

784
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,080
I call it the Me Too movement for dogs.

785
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,056
I'm a bioethicist.

786
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,856
So all day long,
I'm writing about the ethics of

787
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,696
our relationships with
and interactions with dogs.

788
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:40,096
I've been interested
in the animals that we see

789
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,440
the most and think about
the least, which are pets.

790
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,416
You know, one thing that
I find really interesting about

791
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,176
human dog relationships is
our expectations.

792
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,656
About 80% of dog owners say

793
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,280
their dog has a behavior problem.

794
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,656
So we're going to ask our
dogs not to bark, not to shed,

795
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,296
not to roam, not to sniff butts,

796
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,056
not to hump.

797
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,056
There's this whole list of
things that we find troubling.

798
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,720
But those are all natural dog behaviors.

799
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,616
People think, well,
you give a dog a nice soft bed

800
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,136
and a bowl of kibble and veterinary care.

801
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,640
Isn't that all they
could ever want and need?

802
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,416
But the one thing that
you are not giving them is

803
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,576
the ability to be a dog.

804
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,336
Dogs are highly social mammals,

805
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:51,040
but it's normalized for dogs
to be intensively honed.

806
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,296
If you say to people
that their dog is captive,

807
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,616
they get their back up.

808
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,176
But if you think about it,

809
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,736
most dogs can't go where
they want, when they want.

810
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,056
They have to eat when we say,
what we say.

811
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,816
It's not so different from
an animal being in a cage.

812
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,520
There just aren't bars
that are so easy to see.

813
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,816
If you take in that your dog
is a captive animal,

814
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,696
with me in relation to Bella,

815
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,016
it made me think, okay then,
I have a responsibility to do

816
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,376
as much as I can to give her freedom

817
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,760
and make her less captive.

818
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,776
I've had people say sort
of sarcastic comments like,

819
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,000
"Oh, that dog is walking you,"

820
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,216
as if that's a bad thing.

821
00:46:43,240 --> 00:46:45,016
And I say, yes, indeed.

822
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,280
That's just the way I like it.

823
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,136
You could imagine somebody
saying, well, my dog doesn't

824
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,176
care about walks and doesn't
care about just being

825
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,536
in the house all day.

826
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,896
But I say, well, that might be true,

827
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,640
but I'm not sure the dog has a good life.

828
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:14,336
We're going to go to Heinz
Drive and see if we can find

829
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,720
a spot that is quiet
with no people and animals.

830
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,656
And we're going to attempt
to walk these two horses

831
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,896
for the first time in their life,

832
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,576
in their five years of life.

833
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,216
Just go out, see something
more than their backyard.

834
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:35,520
Lucy, this is not working here.

835
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,440
You have him good, Tom?

836
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,320
Okay, hurry.

837
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,120
Boys!

838
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,736
Luca.

839
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,816
Okay, Luca,
something's wrong with Luca.

840
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,256
Shit. Oh, shit.

841
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,896
Oh, shit. Get the doosie.

842
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,976
Here, here, here.

843
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,776
Luca. Luca.

844
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Chill.

845
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,656
And you think I could do two?

846
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,760
Luca. Luca.

847
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,856
You need to take this time
and enjoy yourself, Bubba.

848
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,000
Act normal.
We might do it more than once.

849
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,040
Uh.

850
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,936
Okay, come on. Let's walk a little while.

851
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,736
Want to run with him a little bit?

852
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,616
Yeah, just make sure that harness is not

853
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,096
going to slip over his elbows.

854
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,600
Okay.

855
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,920
Look at Luca.

856
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,000
So happy to see his bop-bops.

857
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,376
In his backyard, yeah.

858
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,200
But not out in public, no.

859
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,960
These boys, they don't know adventure.

860
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:05,856
You know, I always used
to make a joke that

861
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,696
when Delilah and Sage would
take a walk around Tecumseh,

862
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,360
it's like they went to Paris and back.

863
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,736
When someone comes over,

864
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,000
Von Deuce will sniff them
from head to toe.

865
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,600
It's almost like his way of traveling.

866
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,320
Come on.

867
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,960
My blood sugar's going to nothing.

868
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,416
Never.

869
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:50,880
Maia, Maia, Maia, Maia, Maia.

870
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,936
Hey, come on over here, Maia, Maia.

871
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,776
Come on, sit down, sit down.

872
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,856
Mr. Finley, Mr. Finley, sit down.

873
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,256
Sit down. Daphne, sit down.

874
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,816
Okay, this is their vegan turkey.

875
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,656
We don't have any meat in the house,

876
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,536
but we have this fake stuff.
I don't eat it, they eat it.

877
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,096
And see, this is domestication.
I'm oppressing them right now.

878
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,376
Are you feeling oppressed?

879
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,640
Good boy.

880
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:13,640
Would you sit down?

881
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,776
I guess I would describe
myself as a radical.

882
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,416
On the other hand,
I would also say that my ideas

883
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,376
make perfect common sense
and that most people,

884
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,976
if they thought about it,

885
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,320
would agree with me,
at least a good part of the way.

886
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,456
The Abolitionist Approach
is an animal rights theory

887
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:33,840
that I have developed.

888
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,256
It is a theory that requires
that if you regard animals

889
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,136
as having moral value,
that is, not being things,

890
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,736
you have an obligation to stop
eating them, wearing them,

891
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,216
using them, and you should
conduct your life

892
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:51,216
in a nonviolent way
and not discriminate against

893
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:54,176
any sentient beings,
human or nonhuman.

894
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,216
Come on. One aspect of
The Abolitionist Approach is

895
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,320
that we should eliminate domestication.

896
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,416
This is Duncan. Say hello, Duncan.

897
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,496
Hello. Um, Duncan came from a shelter

898
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,480
in northern New Jersey,
a city called Newark.

899
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,336
Lovely dog, as you can see, very loving.

900
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,216
And Duncan was found almost dead.

901
00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,416
Someone had taped his face shut

902
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,216
so that he could not eat or drink.

903
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:25,816
This dog was very, very badly
abused, very badly abused.

904
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,376
Finley is a white sheltie.

905
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,056
White shelties are obtained
by breeding gray shelties

906
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,656
or merle shelties together,

907
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,240
and you sell them for a lot of money.

908
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,976
And the problem is, 25% of every
litter is blind, deaf, or both.

909
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,896
Finley is both deaf and blind.

910
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,880
The person who had him was
going to drown him,

911
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,536
and we said, no, no, we'll take him.

912
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,896
We've had blind dogs before.
We've had deaf dogs before.

913
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,600
We've never had one
that's blind and deaf.

914
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,296
People think that I don't like dogs.

915
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,176
I love dogs. That's not the point.

916
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,096
I adore all of them,
but they're things I own.

917
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,976
If I decided right now
that I want to take this dog

918
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,856
to a shelter, I would sign a waiver,

919
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,616
and it says, "If we can't
find a home for this dog",

920
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,336
"you give us permission...
You're transferring ownership,"

921
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,496
"and we have the right to kill the dog."

922
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,016
So when people say, well,
you know, they're my children.

923
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,920
I regard them as family members.

924
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,776
Yeah, I understand that.

925
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,896
Some people do, but as I said,

926
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:32,176
that's more fetishistic than
it is a statement that has

927
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,336
any cultural significance at all,

928
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:35,976
because as far as
our culture is concerned,

929
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,520
as far as our law is concerned,

930
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,400
as far as our social thing, they're not.

931
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,096
They are things that we own.

932
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,480
Maggie, be quiet.

933
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,096
Please. He's trying to film.

934
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,656
See, that's the thing,
you know, you don't want him

935
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,736
to bark, you don't want him
to disturb people.

936
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,576
It's like their entire life is controlled by us.

937
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,336
When they eat, when they sleep,
when they drink,

938
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,496
when they go outside,
when they go for walks,

939
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,800
how they go for walks,

940
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,440
you know, it really is,
I think it's just despicable.

941
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,296
If I let them go today,

942
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,616
they would all get sick,
they would run over by cars.

943
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,480
They're not able to function
the way wolves are.

944
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:23,376
We removed a lot of their
animality, and we've done that

945
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,936
so that we can make them
subservient to us,

946
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,536
and so we do with other animals too,

947
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,576
with cows, pigs, chickens,
everything else.

948
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,696
So we want them to be docile
and able to be manipulated.

949
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:36,880
I think that the whole
process is just wrong.

950
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,096
Never, ever, ever have
I heard an argument in favor of

951
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:41,976
domestication that makes any sense.

952
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,696
The best one that you get is,

953
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:45,840
well, dogs domesticated
themselves, which is nonsense.

954
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,016
Wolves came close to humans
because they got food,

955
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,696
and they alerted humans to intruders,

956
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,376
so it was mutually beneficial.

957
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,856
But if you're telling me
that what animals contracted for

958
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,576
was to be bred to be.

959
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,456
Malteses or pugs, that's ridiculous.

960
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,216
Hello Pet Con,

961
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,336
we have doctor Cathy Lund of City Kitty.

962
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,896
Love is a very funny word
to use in this context

963
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,976
because a lot of people
who participate in dog shows,

964
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,336
for example, they love their
dogs, but if you ever start

965
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,576
talking to them about not
producing breeds that have

966
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,096
particular health issues,

967
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,336
they're going to get pretty upset with you.

968
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,640
We fetishize these animals.

969
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,176
They don't belong in this world.

970
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,976
They're completely at your mercy.

971
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,616
She loves to work.

972
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,640
You catch her going to
the closet and pick dresses.

973
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,336
She seems to like pink and red the most.

974
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,000
Yes, he's very intellectual.
He loves books.

975
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,296
He's now on his second book,

976
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,736
and he has over 4 million
followers across all platforms.

977
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,096
Give me a kiss.

978
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,616
You know, there's a saying that

979
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,296
no one wants to see
a picture of your baby,

980
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,200
but everyone wants to see
a picture of your dog.

981
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,776
I'd like to think of myself

982
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,776
as a morally sensitive animal owner,

983
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,616
but I am still an animal owner.

984
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,720
The best that I can do is to be
a benign slaveholder, basically.

985
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,600
And benign slavery is still violent.

986
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,536
Dogs are wonderful friends.
They are wonderful friends.

987
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,016
That doesn't mean it's okay
to continue to produce them

988
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,576
to be friends for us.

989
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,080
The dogs that have good lives
in this world,

990
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,040
a small fraction...

991
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:26,960
Diesel was born in hell.

992
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,856
He was being starved.

993
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,000
He was laying on a concrete floor.

994
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,216
I witnessed him being kicked
by workers with work boots,

995
00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:40,656
shoved in a little baby crate,
and they used

996
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,176
to hit the top of the crate with a stick,

997
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,656
and their mentality was
to make him mean,

998
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,136
to make him a guard dog.

999
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,816
Over time, Diesel learned
that he could trust me because,

1000
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,416
let's face it, the poor dog
went through so much

1001
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,096
in the first part of his life,
and then he could finally relax.

1002
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,480
He picked his human, Mama.

1003
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,040
Humans are barbarians.

1004
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,920
We're barbarians.

1005
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:15,760
Not all of us do.

1006
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,416
That's her ankle,
where Amy's dog bit her.

1007
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,176
In my view, it looked kind of
bad, to be honest with you,

1008
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,536
but it wasn't to the level of serious

1009
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,080
and permanent disfigurement.

1010
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,136
I, Caroline Elizabeth Sholts',
during my hospitalization,

1011
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,976
I underwent multiple operations,

1012
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,736
an infection of skin graft

1013
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,256
and surgical staples.

1014
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,336
I underwent physical
therapy for four months.

1015
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,616
The vicious attack was
a very traumatic experience.

1016
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,096
That she had rescued him from
abusive situation.

1017
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,776
He'll commonly go for the ankles.

1018
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,800
That she would be putting the dog down.

1019
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:23,080
The animal control officer said,
that dog destroyed, mutilated,

1020
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,360
mutilated the mail lady.

1021
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,480
She'll never walk again.

1022
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,040
She'll never work again.

1023
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,856
Am I happy that she was bit by my dog?

1024
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,336
No.

1025
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,216
Any dog that bites, it's wrong. I get it.

1026
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,856
But you can't take
the instinct from a dog.

1027
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,200
A dog is a dog.

1028
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,536
Amy was entitled
to a legal proceeding,

1029
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,976
and it was not, as a legal
matter, a fait accompli,

1030
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,576
that the dog would be euthanized
following the legal proceeding.

1031
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,696
Euthanize a dog within hours,
no. It's against the law.

1032
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,776
You can't just pull the plug like that.

1033
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:59,976
Boom.

1034
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,496
Humans are at fault.

1035
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,056
Somewhere along the line,
that dog got let down.

1036
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,656
Had rescued him from
an abusive situation.

1037
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,176
Plaintiff does admit that
she signed the release form.

1038
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,216
I'm relinquishing
ownership of property.

1039
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,176
You have a dog that has been
treated as such,

1040
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:19,736
and will never forget it.

1041
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,096
It will never forget it.

1042
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,496
Just like my experiences overseas,

1043
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,216
I'll never forget it constantly...

1044
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,136
Right? Constantly keeps going.
Constantly keeps going.

1045
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,656
So what she probably

1046
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,160
needed to do, was create
a different foundation,

1047
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,016
give it less space
to make its own decision.

1048
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,696
The reasoning why
that dog bit somebody,

1049
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,520
it's because of the energy of the owner.

1050
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,920
That person, it runs down leash.

1051
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,496
Once again, it's bullshit what they did.

1052
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:50,880
Don't get me wrong.

1053
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,560
But, big picture wise,

1054
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,280
is was that lady going to be
able to turn anything around?

1055
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:03,680
I don't know.

1056
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,296
Probably not.

1057
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,840
Three weeks,
it's going to be five years.

1058
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,496
And there's not a day
that goes by I don't cry.

1059
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,696
Some nights I lay in bed,
trying to fall asleep,

1060
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,880
and I just watch his videos.

1061
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,040
I'm going to get you.

1062
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,120
He was so smart.

1063
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,136
♪ When it all goes to hell ♪

1064
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,816
♪ Will you still be my friend?

1065
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,760
And I loved him so much.

1066
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,496
♪ My face to the sea
and my back to the land ♪

1067
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:48,920
I'm sorry.

1068
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,000
♪ If you can't come with me ♪

1069
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,360
♪ I'll understand ♪

1070
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,936
♪ I'll understand ♪

1071
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,720
I need to get a tissue.

1072
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:13,840
♪ The end of the world
at the palm of my hand ♪

1073
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:22,160
♪ When it all goes to hell
will you still be my friend ♪

1074
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,840
♪ If you can't come with me
I'll understand ♪

1075
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,016
When they came to me with this one,

1076
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,856
very seriously,
I said, are you guys kidding?

1077
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,496
What? Seriously?

1078
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:46,576
You want me to try to
get a bill passed into law

1079
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,536
that will put a lawyer in court
to represent the animal?

1080
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:51,800
Wow.

1081
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,216
Nobody is doing this.

1082
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:55,976
No one in the world is doing it.

1083
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,536
Today Representative Urban testified

1084
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,696
at a hearing of her bill
named Desmond's Law.

1085
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,976
This would make Connecticut
the first state that would allow

1086
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,120
animal advocates in a courtroom
during animal cruelty cases.

1087
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,760
I'm an advocate for animal victims.

1088
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:16,656
It's a third voice to speak to the court

1089
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,040
to articulate that animal's position.

1090
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,576
For the purposes of these hearings,

1091
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,176
I've asked that the animal advocates

1092
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,816
speak on behalf
of the animals in this case.

1093
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,616
The idea that animals are simply property

1094
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,696
is already being questioned.

1095
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,576
It's being questioned
in our society, socially,

1096
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,760
and it's being questioned in the law.

1097
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,776
Animals are not just personal property.

1098
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,056
They are members of our families.

1099
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,416
They live, they breathe,

1100
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,616
and they suffer just like you and I do.

1101
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,896
The animals do not have a voice,
so we are their voice.

1102
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,016
So we do make all the court cases.

1103
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:59,560
We're there to make sure
that they follow through.

1104
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,576
Desmond's Army
is an amazing group of activists

1105
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,416
who follow animal cruelty cases.

1106
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,096
They signal to the court that
there are members of the public

1107
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,856
who care about these cases
and care about their outcomes.

1108
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,256
In today's case,
the defendant was charged

1109
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:20,536
with animal cruelty
towards 31 cats and a dog

1110
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,936
that were found in his house
in various states of neglect.

1111
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,736
The defendant argued that the offenses

1112
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,856
were not so serious and eventually,

1113
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,416
if they don't re-offend,
have their charges dismissed.

1114
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,976
The buildup of feces,
urine, and vomit indicates

1115
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,816
the defendant failed
to maintain the home

1116
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,440
for a significant period of time.

1117
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,136
Defendant also chose to amputate
one of his cat's paws at home

1118
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,016
rather than take him to a vet.

1119
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,056
This left the cat's legs deformed

1120
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:48,856
and in need of total amputation.

1121
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:53,296
Just by having an advocate there
gets a court used to thinking

1122
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,096
about these animals
not as simply property,

1123
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,296
which is where they lie right now legally,

1124
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,096
but as something more.

1125
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:06,560
Innocent animals that don't have
a voice, that can't say, ouch.

1126
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,136
Animals were starving, dying, suffering.

1127
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,016
This court cannot find that this crime

1128
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:17,616
is not of such a serious nature.

1129
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,936
It is of a serious nature.

1130
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,216
One of the most significant
things that happened today

1131
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,416
was the judge acknowledging
that animals are voiceless

1132
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:34,056
and that they can't say,
ouch, and that was huge.

1133
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,216
I think the way to get our courts to see

1134
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,616
that we really, really
care about these animals

1135
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,616
is to deem them sentient beings.

1136
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,256
Once we start to give legal
representation to a dog

1137
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,736
or a cat or a bunny or whatever,

1138
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:55,416
now we're starting to say
that animal is not property.

1139
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:01,016
It really is an incremental step
towards the advancement

1140
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,696
of animals perceived as legal persons.

1141
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,880
No, because the dog is...

1142
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,296
The dog is someone else's property.

1143
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,056
That person has abused that property

1144
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,360
in some way that violates the law.

1145
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,160
And, um, I don't... I just...

1146
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,536
This is the sort of thing
which is being touted

1147
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,216
as some sort of great advancement.

1148
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:34,736
I'm sorry, Hendrick, I just don't see it.

1149
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,040
I really don't, and I just don't see it.

1150
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,976
You know, it's like... It's sort of, like...

1151
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,536
There's something else
that has been popular recently

1152
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,576
called an animal abuse registry.

1153
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,256
Have you run across that in your... Yeah.

1154
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,376
An animal abuse registry is,

1155
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,976
if you have done something
cruel to an animal,

1156
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,256
you have to register
in the way you would have to

1157
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,536
if you were a pedophile or something.

1158
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,840
And I find that bizarre, too, because, um

1159
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,136
we're all... I mean, animal abuse,

1160
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,016
we're all guilty of animal...

1161
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,200
Anybody who's not a vegan
is guilty of animal abuse.

1162
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,080
I mean, we're all
participating... you know...

1163
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,296
People who are not vegans
are directly participating

1164
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,296
in the exploitation of nonhuman animals.

1165
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,416
So then we take this person
who's done a particular thing

1166
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,176
to a dog or cat, and you say,

1167
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,256
you're a particularly bad...
You're a bad person morally.

1168
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,976
I think that has the effect
of sort of making the rest of us

1169
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,896
feel that we're not abusers.

1170
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,976
You, you are the person who did
something to the dog and cat.

1171
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,656
You're a bad person,

1172
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,816
and you should be treated
as equivalent to a pedophile.

1173
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,456
The rest of us
who engage in animal abuse,

1174
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,856
we're good people because we
don't do it to dogs and cats.

1175
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,376
I think some people might look
at that as a step forward.

1176
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,376
I look at it as a hopeless expression

1177
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,136
of the moral schizophrenia

1178
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,096
that just completely surrounds
all of our dealings

1179
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,696
with nonhuman animals.
It makes no sense whatsoever.

1180
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,536
To me, it makes no sense whatsoever.

1181
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,736
When we look at
our relationships with animals,

1182
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,800
we see glaring inconsistencies.

1183
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,816
For example, poll after poll
after poll has found that

1184
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,296
most Americans will say
they agree to the question

1185
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,240
animals should have the same
rights as humans to live.

1186
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,520
But yet, 95% of Americans eat animals.

1187
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,696
I don't know how many people
I know who say,

1188
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:36,256
I love animals, I love my dogs so much,

1189
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,816
and as they're biting into
a juicy hamburger.

1190
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,720
I'm like, I'm glad
you don't love me that much.

1191
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,816
If we were to decide tomorrow
that dogs are nonhuman persons,

1192
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:51,096
wow, where does that leave us
with chickens and pigs and cows?

1193
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,496
It would open up,
to use a speciesist expression,

1194
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:54,680
a can of worms.

1195
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,976
People might be willing to say,

1196
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,816
yeah, my dog deserves an advocate,

1197
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,976
but it's a whole other thing
for people to accept the idea

1198
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:07,440
that an animal
has rights to not be harmed.

1199
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,136
I think it frightens people
because with legal person hood

1200
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:17,240
comes a forced reckoning
with our use of animals.

1201
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,656
Dogs are sort of an ambassador species

1202
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,360
to thinking about animals differently.

1203
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,176
People, you know,
are increasingly thinking

1204
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,376
that it's wrong to euthanize
a dog for behavioral reasons

1205
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,296
because we're violating their right to live.

1206
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:35,776
Well, once you go there,

1207
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,320
then you've opened the door
to other species.

1208
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,176
My ideal solution for animals

1209
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,256
would be that
they have legal person hood

1210
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:50,176
and standing in court
based on that person hood,

1211
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:54,336
and that they can enforce rights
to not be harmed,

1212
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:59,440
to be free of captivity,
to be free of assault.

1213
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:05,856
I can tell you as a lawyer,
law doesn't lead social change

1214
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,416
and social thinking. Law follows.

1215
01:09:08,440 --> 01:09:11,336
So as long as most of us think
that it's morally okay

1216
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:13,296
to exploit animals,

1217
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,656
then there's never going to
be any legal change.

1218
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,856
We need a moral paradigm shift.

1219
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,136
I could see a world in which

1220
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,896
when we start taking pets seriously,

1221
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,656
that we decide that
it's unethical to have pets,

1222
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:31,496
that we will look back
on pet keeping as a

1223
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,296
as something that we don't do anymore

1224
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,640
because we're not doing
the animals right.

1225
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,616
In my idea, the dog
would have the status

1226
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,976
of any person that you can talk about,

1227
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,096
that he would be a sentient
being that would have rights.

1228
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:54,936
And we would then see
that animal as someone.

1229
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,640
Not something, but someone.

1230
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:17,800
That's a strange one.

1231
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:21,960
Ethical to have a dog.

1232
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,360
I don't think I can answer that.

1233
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,520
Maybe, um...

1234
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:33,440
Maybe rephrase that, counselor.

1235
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,960
♪ You got my attention, baby ♪

1236
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,400
♪ And I can't make a move ♪

1237
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:05,480
♪ Like a child that's starved for love ♪

1238
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:10,216
♪ I'll stay there as long as I have to ♪

1239
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,816
♪ I'll cry a river of tears ♪

1240
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:18,616
♪ That flows to the sea ♪

1241
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,840
♪ Baby, if you run away ♪

1242
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:27,480
♪ Baby, if you leave ♪

1243
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,336
♪ I'm so in love with you, girl ♪

1244
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,640
♪ You make me feel brand new ♪

1245
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,576
♪ Come on, give it up to me ♪

1246
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:43,320
♪ Let me take care of you ♪

1247
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,400
♪ I know that your mama said ♪

1248
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,376
♪ I'm gonna make you cry all night ♪

1249
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,136
♪ I'll cry a river of tears ♪

1250
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,800
♪ That flows to the sea ♪

1251
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:06,640
♪ Baby, if you run away,
Baby, if you leave ♪