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(wind blowing)
[Jason] Okay, so
what are we, what are we doing here?
This officer's been after me for a long time,
on my case for, literally a year now.
[Jason] Uh huh.
I mean, she's never gonna find me.
I've decided to pay her a visit,
[Jason] So if she spots us,
you'll take care of it, right?
[Richard] This one's yours, Jason.
I'm gonna say that it's time.
It's time for you to make me proud.
(birds tweeting)
This is what being a Cannes filmmaker is all about Jason.
(car revving)
This is where you really, cross the line.
[Jason] I'm ready Richard.
[Richard] Yeah?
Yeah.
[Jason] Mom and dad have kicked you out?
- Just my mom. - [Jason] Just your mom?
We never really got along, yes she kicked me out.
I was on some friends' sofas,
but they've moved away now, so.
[Jason] Okay.
And so what, you are literally on the,
like on the street out here?
For the time being yeah, if you could let me
use your phone actually, that would really help me.
- [Jason] Yeah Oh of course. - If I could call someone.
I had no idea when I came over here, I'm so sorry.
(heavy breathing)
So how do you feel? - Good.
[Jason] You sure? You sure you're okay to,
be the one to be the one interviewing?
This'll be fun.
[Jason] And you, are you afraid
that he might, you know, realize who you are?
Isn't that kind of exciting?
[Jason] I've got a bit of a problem.
Huh?
[Jason] I've only one bar on the battery.
Uh oh.
[Jason] I brought the charger,
but we might have to spend more time with him, okay.
Let's get straight to the meat.
[Jason] Okay. (throat clearing)
Okay, I'm kind of nervous. (nervous laughter)
(door knocking)
(door squeaking)
[Jason] Hello, sorry, Mark?
Yeah.
Hi, sorry I sent you an email.
I'm so sorry to come unannounced.
[Richard] Richard.
How you doing Richard?
[Jason] I wanted to discuss with you about the,
you know, the murderer at the moment
and I was wondering if I could please
perhaps, maybe interview you?
Okay.
[Jason] From a criminology aspect,
would that be okay? - Yeah.
[Jason] Are you busy right now?
I'm so sorry for just coming unannounced.
Yeah, come on.
[Jason] Thank you, I appreciate it.
That's very kind of you, thank you, thank you very much.
You guys want some water or anything?
All I got is water.
- [Jason] I'm fine, Richard? - [Richard] Fine thank you.
[Jason] So this is my producer, Richard.
Is it okay if I sit here?
[Jason] Yeah, please do.
So you know, bit of a background,
I understand that you are, sorry, I need a cough, excuse me.
(Jason coughing)
I just had a cigarette and I don't normally smoke.
I'm a bit nervous to be honest with you.
So, you're here in London teaching criminology at
a university, is that correct?
- Yeah. - [Jason] Yeah, okay.
So can you tell us a bit
of your background, in the States, in Georgia?
Yeah, I spent 12 years at the FBI, grew up in Georgia,
joined Atlanta, then went to Virginia, in the camp.
Started out just like a normal cadet,
but then specialized in homicides
and then kind of honed in on serial killers after that so...
(cars driving)
(door shutting)
Oh, I don't actually have an alarm system.
[Jason] Okay, okay, what sort of locks do you have?
I mean, do you have bolts? Do you have...
(announcer talking)
I mean, I pretty much just have my keys.
I got two locks on my door.
- [Jason] Okay. - Just in case.
(cars driving)
(door opening)
- [Lady] Sorry can you-
[Jason] Hi, how are you? Sorry, my name is Jason,
I sent you a few emails, I'm so sorry to just turn up.
[Lady] Yeah I don't know what you were doing there.
- [Jason] I'm making a document-
Oh, it's just a bit of B roll for
a documentary that I'm making. - Right.
[Jason] So, anyway, I was wondering, I know that you said
that you couldn't really talk to me, but I was wondering if
I could just talk about your-
[Lady] Sorry, is this camera on or?
No, no, of course not, it's on pause.
It's on, but it's on pause sorry, I'm babbling.
I'm sorry, it's just, I'm so interested in criminology.
I really wish that I had studied it
and things like that,
[Lady] Okay
[Jason] But I went off to do film
and listen, I just wanna do,
I just wanna use my skills in order
to maybe help you guys catch this guy
or something like that?
[Lady] I'm sorry, we can't talk about that.
[Jason] But could I, sorry, just a moment please,
please, just a moment.
I will of course go in a moment.
I was just wondering, is it possible
to interview you about previous cases,
or hypothetically ask you some questions on camera?
Just so I can-
[Lady] No, I actually emailed you.
I remember now, I've emailed you a few times now,
so no, we can't talk about it.
Okay, but thank you, thanks, thanks.
(door shutting)
[Jason] Are you sure we can't talk about it?
[Lady] Sorry, can you get your hand off my door?
[Jason] Yeah.
[Lady] We can't talk about it,
now can you leave my property, please?
(door shutting)
[Jason] But I'm a journalist!
Oh, people have the right to know, don't they?
Okay so you're aware that there's been a string
of murders at the moment and that we
potentially have a serial killer on our hands at the moment.
I understand you're not involved in the case,
you're not working with the
metropolitan police at the moment, have you,
how, how does profiling work?
Can you come up with a profile on the spot?
From reading the newspapers or anything like that?
Do you have any sort of idea of who this person might be?
Well, I try not spend too much time on, it's kind
of a darker time in my past,
but there are certain aspects of the profile
that are pretty obvious, and they typically start with
violence at a young age,
propensity to play with fire
and bedwetting past a kind of a normal age.
[Jason] Sorry did you say bedwetting?
Yeah.
[Jason] Wow, that's quite interesting, isn't it, Richard?
[Richard] Interesting.
After that, you know, typically they, you know,
it's a hunting game to these guys, you know.
So they like to stalk their victims,
typically will maybe befriend them.
Generally they're charismatic, have a narcissistic tendency,
a psychotic background, typically have
little to no empathy.
Toy with the victims before they kill them.
Take trophies, so to relive it,
So, you know, if I were to build a profile on, you know,
what I have seen,
I would start there.
I'd start on kind of what the victim's profiles are
usually there's a geographic area that
the serial killer will focus on.
Like a cat, you know, patrol an area, stay within
the area that they know so that they can understand it,
so they can rehearse the crime.
So I'd start there, look at
where the killings sit on the map.
There's usually a certain profile of the victim.
So I look at profile tendencies
and the victims that'll give you some indication,
of who might be next.
And then there's usually a modus operandi,
although that tends to evolve over time as they
kind of perfect their methods.
So I'd look for if there was a modus operandi,
commonalities between the victims.
So I'd start there, so that's kind of
how I build the profile but not having access
to the evidence is pretty difficult
to see exactly how I could do it in an accurate one,
but that's where I would start.
(box tearing)
[Richard] Well, I didn't know if you were
actually gonna like it.
You've been looking for me for so long now,
and I just, I really wanted to give you my heart.
(Richard and Jason laughing)
- [Jason] I bet you wish you said yes to that interview now.
[Richard] It's your turn Jason, it's your turn Jason.
[Lady] Let go, get off! (Richard laughing)
(Lady screaming) (Richard groaning)
[Jason] And what do you feel this person might want?
Probably what they always want.
Notoriety, acceptance, dominance,
thirst for power,
to hurt and inflict pain on others.
(wind blowing)
I'll take you Jason.
[Jason] You're gonna take me?
(wind blowing)
I'll bring you along.
[Jason] Wouldn't that make me an accessory?
Documentarian.
[Jason] Hmm, documenting the first ever murder, Huh?
First...
Jason, you'd be there for the whole thing.
[Jason] Hmm, it's interesting.
Richard... You'd be out of sight, What?
[Jason] You're not, screwing with me?
- No. - [Jason] You really did this?
Yes.
[Jason] But why say it on camera?
You say it's for a legacy,
but I, can say this in the police station
right now, and you're caught.
(cars driving)
I know what you're after Jason.
This is an opportunity for you as well.
[Jason] Immortality?
Success, Cannes Festival.
You won't turn this in.
You wouldn't turn in a great painting, mint painting.
No, you'll finish it, Jason.
You'll even come with me.
You'll watch me do this.
I won't involve you, but you'll watch this, Jason.
(knocking) (cars driving)
- [Richard] Hello Miss. - Hi.
[Richard] Is everything alright this evening?
We have been reported of a disturbance, smashed window?
Please don't be alarmed by my cameraman,
he's here to investigate.
- Okay, Okay I'm-
I'm Just here to record the event, so.
Okay, no, no, it's not okay.
[Richard] Something happened?
Yeah. Someone's just thrown a brick
through my bedroom window, I don't know who would do that?
It's glass everywhere.
- [Richard] Really? - Yeah.
[Richard] Could we possibly come in
and just have a look? - Yeah, come in.
Yeah, and I show you the brick what it says.
[Richard] Thank you. (paper crumpling)
It says, die bitch die.
[Richard] Oh my goodness.
[Jason] Oh wow, oh my God.
[Lady 2] Do you want me to show you where?
[Richard] Yeah, that is horrendous,
yes indeed I would like to see-
- Okay. - The room You lead the way.
(Richard sighing)
John Wayne Gacy used to use a, fake siren, fake uniform
to lure men into his car.
What we have here, Jason, is a master, teaching a master,
and now I'm teaching you, good?
[Jason] Yeah, so what's the plan now?
Now that she's unconscious, you gonna choke her?
What you gonna do?
No, wow, this is a fulfillment of my plan.
[Jason] Richard wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
I just wanna focus 'cause I want it to be nice and clear.
Okay, now we've got it, go on.
(Richard sighing) (Richard smashing a brick)
(Richard sighing)
Protect and serve. (Richard and Jason laughing)
Should we make ourselves a coffee while we're here?
[Jason] Yeah, so that's why you had me
throw the brick through the window?
You even used it as a weapon.
Yeah, you see, we laid the foundation to our action.
You see, we are able to circle around,
give ourselves the weapon without even having to able
to get access in a complete zone of trust
with our weapons already inside.
It was, I mean, it worked perfectly,
Jason, wouldn't you say?
Yes indeed, coffee?
Yeah, yeah, kitchens around here.
[Jason] I wonder if she's got Nescafé,
oh, this stupid corpse, hold on.
Oh, I wonder if she's got Nescafé.
(Richard groaning)
Look at this.
Coffee, where would she keep coffee?
[Jason] Something here, Oh look,
she's one of these annoying people,
look, it's one of those crush things.
(coffee machine pumping) - [Richard] Mm.
Do you know I worked with an actor on a film set
and he didn't like instant.
He'd always come with me there, Oh Jason,
this is how you do develop a-(mumbling)
[Richard] Oh my goodness, wow, wow, the last meal.
[Jason] Hmm
[Richard] Home.
[Jason] I always find those knickknacks annoying.
You not worried about your fingerprints there?
[Richard] No.
[Jason] Perhaps you should just take that souvenir.
[Richard] Hmm
[Jason] Can I keep it?
I like that Jason.
[Jason] Can I keep it?
- You want this gift? - [Jason] Yeah.
Celebrate your success today,
'cause you were very, very good today, Jason.
[Jason] Thank you.
The perfect partner.
- [Jason] Thank you. - Thank you.
[Jason] Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Coffee, I'll put the kettle on.
(Jason sighing) Okay.
Not personally, but I've known people
that have been stalked by people in the city, so.
[Jason] Can you elaborate?
Well, one of my friends, she was at college
and she was really close with this guy
and he used to stalk her wherever she went.
When she was walking home in the park late at night.
[Richard] What's the best thing you've seen?
The worst thing you've seen from one of these guys?
Is it okay if I chew some gum?
[Jason] Sure, we're chewing ourselves.
Oh nice, yeah, I'm trying to give up cigarettes,
man it's a motherfucker, I'm telling you.
(paper crumpling)
[Richard] You've seen some stuff?
- Yeah, - [Richard] I'm sure.
I mean, I don't think anything's the best but, worst?
[Richard] The worst.
Probably children.
Seen some really fucked up stuff to kids, you know.
[Jason] Can you describe the scene?
[Jason] Start with the injuries.
Clearly some sort of, sexual,
advanced beginning,
torn anal cavity,
beaten, three broken ribs, he's got a concussion.
From what I could tell the victim died of a choking injury.
[Jason] How did it make you feel to see the crime scene?
Like I didn't want to know people like that existed.
(engine revving)
Like I hoped that even had been stomped out
from the world before that but,
it's not the case.
This is a big moment for us, Jason.
This is one we've been waiting for, Jason.
(wind blowing)
I've been scouting out this girl for a while now
I think she must live in this area,
and she keeps coming back here,
and I, my info tells me she's been drinking tonight.
So tonight, you and me Jason we're gonna-
(girl laughing)
on the camera.
[Lady 3] They definitely went home together, I know.
Oh, I've gotta go, bye.
[Richard] How you doing babe, you all right?
Good, thanks, what are you guys doing?
[Jason] We're, local filmmakers
and we're working on an indie film,
and we've got like the last scene to do after that
we're having an after party.
Yeah, so we saw you from over there
and we were like, she's absolutely perfect,
to be like one of the extras in our final scene.
- [Jason] Yeah. - [Richard] Yeah.
Me?
[Jason] Yeah, we really need your help.
- [Richard] We need beautiful... [Jason] Absolutely beautiful
[Richard] Beautiful women to be in the video.
And you having a great time, I thought,
oh maybe she'd do it you know.
I mean, no, there's no way you want me.
No, seriously. We have to have her, it'd be perfect.
So we're gonna hang out tonight, have few drinks
[Jason] Also we're pretty sure we've seen you on
TV already, have you done it before?
[Richard] Yeah, you are actually famous already.
But we haven't got any like real money or anything,
but like... [Jason] Yeah but like-
No, no, no not really famous, just a bit.
[Jason] it's a passion project, it's passion project.
That's so nice.
[Richard] So this would be easy for you,
this would be like, you know.
It'll be good fun, and you said you're gonna go
for more drinks afterwards?
[Richard] Yeah, no, it's a whole party
of people there, and everything.
- Party, I mean-
[Jason] Just do some shots, things like that.
[Richard] Yeah, if you're down
to keep having a party tonight,
if you're up for it?
Guys it's really late.
[Richard] We really want to have you there.
- That's a part of it-
[Jason] It's 8:00PM somewhere though, isn't it?
- [Richard] Yeah. - That's a good line.
It's not like it's a school night.
It'd be great no? - Okay, okay.
- [Richard] Yeah? - Yeah.
And you really want me in this?
[Richard] We do right Jason?
[Jason] We do absolutely, 100%.
Okay, yeah.
- [Richard] You coming? - Yeah.
[Jason] Thank you so much, thank you.
Thank you so much.
[Lady 3] Down here?
(scrambling)
[Richard] Shh.
What are you doing, what are you doing?
[Jason] I'm just the filmmaker.
I'm just here to film.
- You got it Jason. - [Jason] I got it.
- Wasn't it good though? - [Jason] Yeah.
What are you feeling right now?
This is my favorite part, get this.
[Jason] Wait, wait, wait, Why her?
What made you pick her?
She's perfect, this like, sense of fun but innocence
and you know, like, and just so inviting,
sweet, I just knew she was perfect Jason,
look at her.
(loud thuds)
[Jason] What now Richard?
Let's go.
(wind blowing)
[Jason] What precautions do you take,
like do you lock the doors?
- Like, when I lock the doors I check them about four times.
'cause I'm really scared and I lock my windows.
[Jason] Okay, and when do you, do you have any sort
of security measures, like an alarm or anything like that?
Not really, but, no.
[Jason] And do you live alone?
- Yeah, I do. - [Jason] You do? Okay.
So what about-
Do you have a job do?
What sort of shift do you do? Do you have a job?
- So I work part-time at a bar.
- [Jason] Okay. - So late shifts.
[Jason] So potentially between like 12:00 to 04:00am
you'll be all on your own? - Yeah
- [Richard] I just, you know-
[Jason] From the meetings that we've had as well,
I mean the only thing that you, you need
to make yourself kind of look a little,
a little sinister, you know?
[Richard] I'm being myself here, Jason.
[Jason] I know, but you just need, just a little bit.
I mean like, Ted Bundy for example, you know?
- [Richard] Yes. - [Jason] Like a little bit.
Like you can do charming pretty well, right?
You can act it, you can act on camera yeah?
[Richard] I'm Charming?
[Jason] You're charming, yeah sure
you're Charming of course but,
yeah I mean another thing is we've got a million takes
that we can do here okay,
we can make you come off however you want
to come off, between us we can create an image.
(background announcer)
(Jason laughing)
They might even be selling your face on t-shirts.
Some of these serial killers get worshiped don't they?
[Richard] Yes, Jason. (cars driving)
So they should be.
[Jason] Okay We need to find somewhere
interesting to do the next segment.
(cars driving)
Okay, So look, see this place here?
This place used to be-(truck driving)
Okay, do me a favor, please don't creep up behind me
I don't know what you're doing okay?
So this place here used to be a police station, right here.
Oh, I've had the camera on all this time, cool.
[Richard] Really?
[Jason] Okay, yeah really, Oh look at that,
look that, look at that shot right there.
And then just can you
please try and look a bit more intimidating?
(cars driving)
Oh God, you're all blurry I can't hold this
and do that at the same time Let's just move on.
We'll come back to that shot okay?
[Richard] I need to do something Jason, should I?
[Jason] Should you be afraid of dress part scene?
Let's go over here, over here's nice come on.
(wind blowing)
Wow, look at that mess, that looks cool.
Hey Richard, I'm thinking here,
or would you like over there better?
[Richard] For?
[Jason] Over here maybe, I don't know, What do you think?
So we can go from here and then just pan to you like that.
And then I can ask you a range of questions,
but you know, look a bit more brooding in it okay.
[Richard] Well ask me questions, Jason.
Okay go over there, look, okay, okay.
Just right, right here, calm down, calm down a bit okay.
Sorry, okay, sorry. Okay, you ready?
- [Richard] I'm ready Jason. - [Jason] Okay, and action.
(wind blowing)
Well, schools were one of my places.
Nylon stockings are great for tying them up.
You get a good elasticity,
durability and they're accessible.
Nylon stockings, are great for tying them up.
You get a good elasticity,
durability and they're accessible, I have many.
And most women have nylon stockings
around the house anyway.
You can just grab 'em.
I mean, there's stuff there to be used already.
The kitchen, it's full of knives.
It's full of blunt weapons.
Go to their bedroom, suffocate them
with their pillow, for example.
Sometimes I'll choke them out and then,
and actually revive them and then choke them out again.
And there's a lot of buzz in that, a lot of buzz.
Terrible buzz.
Choke 'em out.
They're gone, they're yours.
And you bring them back and you choke 'em out again.
[Jason] You okay?
I'm gonna ask you a bit of a twisted question.
If you were gone tomorrow, did think anyone would miss you?
Um.
(engines revving)
[Jason] What are you thinking?
I can't believe she still doesn't know we're here.
We literally just spoke to her.
(cars driving)
It's perfect this.
(engines revving)
[Jason] There's lots of cars,
it's hard to keep track of her.
(engine revving)
There she is.
(background chatter) (engines revving)
(Jason laughing)
Yeah, she's not getting away from us is she?
(wind blowing)
(engines revving)
- [Richard] Oh, close. - [Jason} Mm.
Look at her, just unaware.
(breaks squealing)
(music playing)
- Patience is sublime. - [Jason] Patience.
[Richard] What's this board? Public transport.
We have a decision to make.
A big decision to make.
(cars driving)
(background chatter)
You are getting good at this, Jason.
[Jason] Thank you.
(wind blowing) (background chatter)
(engine revving)
So we've been doing this documentary and oh hi, hey.
Sorry, fancy seeing you here, how are you?
Are you okay?
Yeah, I'm okay.
[Jason] Where are you off to?
I'm pretty much gonna go to the park for a little bit.
- [Jason] Yeah? - Yeah.
[Jason] If you don't mind me asking, which park?
(engines revving)
Northwood park.
- [Jason] Oh, alright, okay. - Right.
I was meant to meet my friend there,
but in the end he can't come.
So I may as well just go to the park.
- [Jason] Okay. - It's funny to see you here.
- [Jason] Yeah, sorry. - Have you been around?
[Jason] Yeah you know, I've been like
just interviewing other people.
We were just about to do a segment with my colleague here.
Oh, okay. (engine revving)
[Jason] About, you know, reflecting,
just come away from the bus, just reflecting today on
what's happened and things like that.
- Right. - [Jason] You know?
So yeah, okay, so if you see us filming around,
you know, that's what we're up to.
Yeah I mean I know you're filming.
[Jason] Yeah, that's what we're up to.
That's what we're up to, okay, take care.
Okay well have a lovely day then.
- [Jason] You too, bye - Bye.
(engines revving)
[Jason] Well that saved us time,
we now know where she's going.
Should we go get a cup of coffee first?
Fantastic.
[Jason] Let's go get coffee.
It's beautiful.
It's so sweet, oh my goodness.
Way of life.
Very sweet.
I watch them for hours really.
I would do too.
[Jason] How are you feeling, Richard?
It is a bit strange,
but I'm excited, to release some of my stress
and find ways to express myself.
I'm definitely tightened up, I think, so.
And I'm just here to make you feel comfortable.
[Jason] Okay, so, before we begin, as I said,
we're doing a 30 day YouTube challenge,
which I told you off camera.
So this is one of the first, this is day one
of trying something like completely new.
We have to try something new every 30 days.
Just for the, for the camera, you do agree to being filmed?
- Yes. - [Jason] Yes, okay, great.
Okay so, maybe tell us a bit about yourself.
You know, tell us what a professional cuddler is
and why you need it.
You know, just for our, our YouTube audience.
And yeah, just begin with that, how long been doing it for?
Yeah. I've been a cuddler for about a year
and I'm doing it because I love people.
I love helping them, and I know many of us can be lonely.
[Jason] Sorry, I'm just gonna close the window
'cause of the background noise.
(window shutting)
It's madness, I swear on Sundays they're not supposed
to have any sort of noise going on.
[Richard] It's all the time.
[Jason] It's a law it is actually a law.
[Richard] Yeah, really?
[Jason] Yeah, they can't have Sunday pollution.
Okay, sorry, what were you saying?
Sorry, what was your name again?
It's Alice.
Alice, okay You look a bit uncertain now.
(laughter)
It's like, I think it's Alice.
- Sorry-
[Jason] Hey, have you heard Alice?
Who the fuck is Alice?
Have you heard that song? - [Richard] Yeah.
[Jason] Still living next door to Alice, okay sorry,
I've gotten sidetracked, I do that.
I've only just found out I've got ADHD sorry.
So yeah, tell us, let's start from the beginning again
So tell us about yourself, your name is?
I'm just helping people who feel lonely.
[Jason] Okay.
To feel less lonely and loved.
[Richard] It's a wonderful cause.
[Jason] It is yeah.
So what, the people who you normally see, I mean,
what do they tend to be like?
Are are they like Richard here or are they-
I meet every kinds of people.
[Jason] Okay, is it people who can't really get a woman
Maybe?
It's not about that.
- [Jason] Oh, it's not. - No.
I meet a lot of elderly people.
- [Jason] Elderly people? - No family
or the families don't care about them.
[Jason] Oh and they just want a hug?
- Yes. - [Jason] Okay.
I'm just a cuddler. (Jason laughing)
[Jason] I'm sorry I shouldn't laugh.
Okay you're a cuddle, okay.
Yeah sorry. - That's fine.
So Richard, is there any type of hug do you prefer?
Like a side hug, a full embrace or anything?
A full embrace sounds, yes, a full embrace.
- Yeah, now do you feel ready? - I'm, yes.
Okay.
Just try to relax, just breathe.
[Jason] So do, do you ever like, play any sort
of calming music or anything like that? Or?
We could, if you like, it's up to you.
[Jason] No, no, no. I'm just asking,
have you ever done that? - Yes of course.
[Jason] Is that something that you do yeah?
Do you do massaging or? - No.
[Jason] Oh, okay.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be rude
I'm just trying to understand. - It's okay.
What you what you actually actually do.
A cuddler is a is a bit of a new concept for me so yeah.
You know - [Richard] Me too.
It's very new, so. - Yeah.
Yes.
[Alice] And I just want you to be comfortable.
[Jason] It's, it's also very vulnerable
doing it on camera as well.
- Yeah. - [Jason] Yeah.
Is there any positions that you prefer?
You could lie down if you want?
- I could yes. - It's up to you.
- Should we try that? - [Alice] Yeah.
You are in charge. You decide.
Okay.
[Jason] Oh, you're in charge, Richard.
Okay.
How about if I just lie here?
Yeah.
If it helps you to relax.
How's this? - This is nice.
Just breathe, deep breaths.
[Jason] Sorry, it was Alice, wasn't it? Alice?
You know, you look, I hope you don't mind me saying,
you look very pretty on camera.
Thank you.
[Jason] I should show you before you go,
how wonderful you look.
Perhaps you'd like a photography session one day?
I could just watch it on YouTube later.
[Jason] Sure but I was thinking, you know,
we could take some photos if you want later.
I don't know, but thank you.
Oh, you're very welcome. You know some publicity stuff.
- Are you okay? - We-Yes
I would-I like to try something nurturing, very nurturing.
Of course, of course.
Maybe something like this?
Yes.
(clock ticking)
- How do you feel now? - This is nice.
Maybe we can close our eyes?
- Yeah, think that would help? - Yes.
(Alice clearing throat)
(Alice screaming)
(Alice screaming) (Richard groaning)
(Jason laughing)
The cuddler.
This isn't good,
thank you Alice.
That was comforting.
I am extremely relaxed. (Jason and Richard laughing)
[Jason] Oh God can you believe that's an actual job?
Oh, funny.
Question, what do we do with the body now?
[Richard] Well, what can we do?
[Jason] If you, if the Metropolitan Police asked
for your expertise, would you provide it?
Yeah, of course.
[Jason] Do you have any questions?
What is it that you guys do?
[Jason] I'm a documentarian,
so I've taken a break from filmmaking
for many years, but I'm hoping to get
to the Cannes Film Festival
and I want something, something very dramatic.
Something that's gonna basically win the Cannes.
It's a goal.
Right now we're interviewing women,
asking them, you know, how do they keep themselves safe and
Walk with friends, mainly guys
[Jason] Try and stay in large groups.
- Yeah - [Jason] Things like that?
Yeah okay, so tell me more about you as a person.
I think I'm quite adventurous, I like going out
But yeah, the cities best place.
And so have you, heard that there
have been a string of murders recently in London?
I have, but I kind of avoid it.
[Jason] What precautions do you take?
Like do you lock the doors?
- Like, when I lock the doors I check them about four times.
'cause I'm really scared, and I lock my windows.
[Jason] Okay. And when, when do you,
do you have any sort of security measures,
like an alarm or anything like that?
Not really, but, no.
[Jason] And do And do you live alone?
- Yeah, I do. - [Jason] You do, okay.
Okay so what sort of measures do
you take against, you know, sorry,
not being attacked?
Well, I think the key is staying in busy areas.
You, you can then see all sorts of people around here
and stay vigilant.
I, at night I tend to find somewhere,
usually in a park where there's no one around
but yeah, I think the key is just stay vigilant.
I tend to not really sleep munch at night
Hmm stay in groups.
It's hard 'cause I mean, a serial kid is gonna be,
like I said, they're charismatic,
they're gonna befriend you.
They've got, they've spent an entire life
emulating people's emotions.
So, it's very difficult for the average person to tell.
Typically good looking.
I would say do your best to vet someone,
I mean you've got social media that should help,
try to meet their friends before you go home with them.
[Jason] You mentioned social media
I mean, isn't that also a danger?
Yeah, yeah I mean, obviously it's a way to groom people,
and build an initial relationship with them but,
yeah, I mean, I think any,
any media is is ultimately,
some way somebody can get to you.
Yeah, that's why I teach English.
(leaves ruffling)
(Richard talking to a lady)
[Jason] Fucking lying bitch.
What if I was to buy you a room tonight,
just so you're off tonight because you know
I don't exactly feel great that you're out here.
I'm not made of money, but I could at least do that for you.
- I mean, that would actually-
[Jason] How would you feel about that?
That would really help my situation.
[Jason] Yeah, yeah and I'm sure the
hotel will have a phone as well.
- Yeah. - [Jason] Yeah.
Definitely, and then I could phone a phone a friend.
[Jason] Okay the only thing is I'm gonna have to run back
to my studio, first. - Okay.
[Jason] And then we'll get you set up okay?
- Okay. - [Jason] How's that sound?
Yeah, yeah that sounds amazing.
[Jason] Okay, think at least phone the council,
Just try and do something, okay?
Thank you.
[Jason] Yeah, because you know,
you have to do something in life in order
to get somewhere, you have to understand that yeah?
- Yeah. - [Jason] Okay.
Yeah.
- [Jason] Let's get you off the street at least for tonight.
Thank you.
[Jason] Yeah and then maybe you can see there's a
bit of light at the end of the tunnel okay?
Thinking far, let me just get you cash, okay?
Thank you. - Thank you.
(leaves ruffling) (bird calling)
(car hooting)
(bird chirping)
[Jason] Oh, it's closing down.
So what is this place you wanted to show me?
[Richard] That's not good.
This place is wonderful, for all sorts of needs.
There was a lovely girl that worked here as well.
Tools, assortment of locks and keys
and nails, hammers,
nail gun.
[Jason] So you're gonna have to find a new place?
Yeah.
The one why this is hard to find so,
that is disappointing.
[Jason] But they're everywhere.
Yeah.
I guess it's like a, a routine.
(engines revving) (metal banging)
Where am I gonna buy my fucking stuff.
[Jason] There's other places.
(engine revving)
(wind blowing)
(loud claps)
(alarm sirens)
(background chatter)
(metal banging)
(engine revving)
[Jason] Have you had enough for today?
It's a disappointing turn Jason.
How does this-
where to next Jason?
(wind blowing)
What do you wanna do next, Jason?
[Jason] I'm just shadowing you, I mean,
do you wanna go home? Calm down?
(raining)
[Richard] If we're gonna do this,
if we're gonna win this thing.
How can I, grow as a person,
grow into the public image that I might attain?
The depression he's had and I want it to be truthful,
and I want, I want us to win Cannes.
It's not just about me now, I mean,
I want us both to win the Cannes Film Festival, but-
[Richard] I thought I was ready to have,
to really delve into this and to really do what I do
on a platform.
I'm really, I'm struggling
if it's gonna look right and,
and these are strange dreams that I've been having where
I come here,
when I've been here, and I couldn't find you,
and, that is so tough for me,
and I had these crazy dreams,
where I almost linger outside your office,
and I know it means something to me,
I know this is so important.
This personally, I linger outside, I'm in the area
of your place and
I basically, for some main reason,
I start, just following women,
real women around,
and you know, I'm this person who,
finds great purpose and,
is finding a spiritual path while by
actually following this woman around here,
and killing them, that killed the person in my dream.
Are these, are these women, are these people,
these women that you know? - [Richard] They're strangers.
And, I'm trying to work out what
this means to me because it's on my way to you.
This is one girl, right outside your office.
And I knew that I was coming to you,
but then I found this girl,
brown hair, and
she was actually taking two kids into the building,
and then she came back out
and, you know,
she had this wonderful,
colorful dress on and she looked happy
and she was...
From that moment, I was no longer coming to see you
and I left,
and I began to question, what's controlling me?
I actually followed this woman down,
around the area to the river where she was going.
Went down there and basically,
I mean, I choked this girl in this dream.
I choked her.
And...
but it didn't end there.
This dream was so powerful,
and I looked into her eyes and I knew
that this was a moment for us that,
that she was then going on to her, to the next level
and actually hit her with a hammer,
three to four times,
in the center of her face.
I mean, she was almost unrecognizable,
and...
I left her there.
Right, Could we can we stop this conversation?
Like can we cut this now? - [Jason] May we ask why?
(tongue clicking)
(footsteps)
Sorry, what are you doing in my house?
- [Jason] Hmm, - what's going on?
[Jason] I'm just filming, that's all.
Who are you? Who even let you let you in?
- [Jason] You know, he did. - [Richard] He's a filmmaker.
[Jason] Hi.
What's going on?
- [Richard] Well-
[Jason] I think she wants an explanation.
So how are you feeling right now?
Can you, do you mind just sort of answering a couple of-
Get off of me! (screams)
[Jason] I got her, I got her, I got her.
Get off of me! (gasping for air)
(sirens)
[Jason] Did I do good? Did I do good?
Excellent, Jason. Okay.
[Jason] It's hammer time.
(Richard breathing heavily)
Okay. (hammer banging)
(Richard breathing heavily) (Jason and Richard laughing)
Well...
Success,
Fear and everything.
Exactly what we wanted.
[Jason] Do you think our husband's gonna miss her?
Oh, I know him, yeah he will yeah.
He's a, you know, he's a professional guy and everything.
[Jason] Richard, go back lemme just make sure
this is in focus here okay all right.
It's kind of exciting, isn't it?
- [Richard] Mm. - [Jason] Knock on the door.
(knocking on the door)
(train riding)
Hi, I'm Jason, Richard.
Ah, did you superior tell you about us?
Good morning. - [Mac Allistar] Good morning.
[Jason] Very nice to meet you, thank you.
Mac Allister, please come in.
[Jason] Thank you very much.
- [Mac Allistar] Do you mind taking off your shoes, please?
[Jason] Oh, certainly, sorry, thank you.
Thank you very much indeed, listen,
thank you again for having us.
No problem, no problem.
[Jason] I've already shaked your hand, sorry I'm nervous.
Are you currently recording?
[Jason] Yeah, yes sorry, I am yeah,
I should've mentioned, sorry. - I don't mind.
I just need to give you a quick search if that's okay?
- [Jason] Really? - Yeah.
- [Jason] Why? - You're coming into a
Metropolitan Police safe house.
- [Jason] Oh. - I don't know you,
I've never met you before, just-
[Jason] Oh, okay.
- If you could just stand in the background for me, please,
Richard, take off the camera please.
[Jason] Okay, here you are.
Here you can hold onto this.
Hands up.
(patting)
Yeah, you're all right, stand it-
swap positions please. - [Jason] Okay. No, sorry.
No, sorry it just caught me off guard, sorry.
[Mac Allistar] I've never even met you guys before.
[Jason] No it's fine, it's okay, isn't it Richard?
[Richard] It's okay.
[Mac Allistar] Grand, please come in.
(Jason clearing throat)
It's not mine, it's a metropolitan police
safe house, so to speak.
[Jason] Oh, okay.
[Richard] Have a seat right here?
[Mac Allistar] Yeah, that's fine.
So this isn't my place.
The police use this for different members
of the forces from the different, across the country
come here and they stay, I'm actually out of here
at the end of the week, to be honest.
[Jason] Ah, I see, and so this is a part
of the new initiative of transparency within the media?
Yeah...
It wasn't my idea.
I'm not, I'm not particularly interested
in this aspect of the,
filmmaking, of documentary filmmakers,
I don't really agree with it.
[Jason] Well, I mean that's completely understandable,
I mean, you are here to catch criminals
not do interviews, I understand.
So thank you so much for your time,
we really do appreciate it, don't we Richard?
We appreciate it. - We appreciate it.
[Jason] Yeah.
So what's, what's your take on this?
[Jason] Well, I mean before answering that,
just for the for the documentary,
we have to acknowledge that you can't
go into complete specifics, you can only discuss
what's being shared with the news,
we understand and we respect that.
The first thing we would like to do is offer you our
sympathies that the killer has now gone
after one of your colleagues.
We'd like to take a moment just to show our respect
and how sorry that we are,
and she must have been an incredible person
because her record is,
from what your superiors told me was absolutely amazing
and that you guys were very close,
it must be a hard time for you,
must be very hard for you to take this interview right now,
so from the bottom of our hearts, we thank you,
and if you could just share perhaps a few memories
or thoughts just to moralize her on the documentary.
We need some uniform officers down here.
[Caller] Understood.
- As you can see-(inaudible)
[Caller] Yeah sure, I'll be with you soon.
- Officer police sir? - [Officer] Yes.
Yeah, did you get a statement?
(footsteps)
[Officer] Unfortunately I didn't, I'm so sorry for that.
Right is this your first day?
- [Officer 2] Yeah, I know I'm-
You see what I'm working with yeah?
[Caller] Bloody idiot.
Did you get anything? A name?
Description, what'd she look like?
He? No, no, no, no, okay yeah,
I need some people down here, okay?
[Caller] I'm sending forensics as well.
(heavy breathing)
- Yeah, let's get some-
Yeah,
thank you for your words,
Anna was a real asset.
She brought an incredible level of
professionalism to the force.
Very well liked, respected,
inspirational to new up and coming officers and,
it's very tragic, it's very tragic and,
it's a motivation, you know, when one of our own gets...
gets killed,
it's even more of a drive to
wanna catch these people, catch this person.
The public are very concerned about this.
The serial killer phrase is something
that the media jumps on
and people are scared, people are concerned
for their partners, especially women focused.
You know, the police have already gone through a, a series
of allegations and smears against certain police officers
for their misconduct and I understand,
I understand why my superior wanted me to
partake in this interview so,
you...
both have been at pretty much
all of the scenes as far as I'm,
the crime scenes as far as I'm aware.
[Jason] Have you and Anna been here together?
- You have a strange line of questioning in relation to Anna
I don't know, I'm beginning to think that-
[Jason] Well, I mean can we just be upfront with you?
Can we do that?
We know and we genuinely we don't wanna upset you,
which is why I'm sort of tiptoeing around it.
We are aware that there was a relationship between you
and Anna more than a professional relationship,
which ultimately cost you your marriage.
And I'm sorry for being so blunt,
but I feel like you are aware that
we know something and I just want to be upfront.
We can't tell you our sources unfortunately, but-
[Richard] It's very important for the documentary.
[Jason] Yeah, how are you, we just want to know,
how are you doing? How are you coping?
And also, are you and please don't take offense,
we're just asking questions, are you the right person
to be investigating this case?
Are you not too emotionally involved?
And how are you as a detective,
how are you separating that?
[Mac Allistar] That's a good question.
Emotional involvement is a big part of
deciding if a detective is gonna be on a case or not.
I'm not quite sure about your previous line
of questioning in relation to a relationship and,
a personal relationship that you're aware of.
I'm, I have no comment on that.
[Jason] Which is your right, which is your right.
[Mac Allistar] She was a good friend of mine
on a, outside of the force she was a good friend of mine.
[Jason] Sorry, is that you saying that
there's been no personal relationship
or is that you saying that you won't answer that? Sorry.
It was a platonic relationship.
[Jason] It was a platonic, okay thank you very much,
okay, okay, so in that case,
it doesn't really affect you taking the case does it?
Really if it's just-
- Hence from, hence the reason why I referenced conflict
of interest would very much be applicable here.
If what you had suggested to me previously,
about a relationship that, 'cause that is not true.
My superiors are very happy for me to be engaged.
[Jason] So there were no love notes?
You know...
They like to watch,
you know, to return to the scene of the crime and to watch.
And do you not think that they've seen you?
Do you not think that there's a possibility.
Shouldn't you be a bit more scared as opposed to being,
overtly calm?
You know?
(train engine revving)
[Jason] Do you hear that? You hear a train?
I had no idea that we were near,
we would be near train stations today.
I would've put my mics that I know.
[Richard] I find it comforting.
[Jason] Do you like the trains?
[Richard] Yeah.
[Jason] Hmm, Do you like trains?
I'm not quite sure what that has to do with,
this current line of questioning
[Richard] You're hearing the trains all the time here.
[Jason] Yeah.
[Richard] Might drive you crazy.
[Jason] Suppose it's like living next to
the airport really, isn't it?
- [Richard] Same thing. - [Jason] Yeah, kind of.
Oddly relaxing isn't it?
You're here asking me about trains?
[Jason] It won't focus.
That's gone way better, sorry, carry on.
You are here asking me about trains.
As you're aware, police are very stretched at the moment.
- [Jason] Well, I wasn't asking you initially about trains.
We were talking... Just listen to me,
Wasting my time, this is wasting my time.
You are asking me about trains.
I thought you're trying to further the understanding of
the way the police force are reacting to these series
of murders, especially when one
of their own has been killed,
and you're asking me about trains,
Do you not think this is a little-
[Jason] Well, I mean, clearly you're not a
media professional 'cause if I can't hear you,
I can't get anything out,
that's why I was making the reference.
I'm a detective, I'm not a media professional.
[Jason] I know, but you are being,
aggressive towards me at the moment
because you don't understand
that I could possibly not be able
to pick up your audio right now
because there's a train going past.
I'm just saying that it would be a bit of a waste
of a time if I couldn't hear you correctly
because there's no, there's no mic.
I'm not trying to be,
I'm not trying to make light of the situation,
I'm not trying to do anything like that.
I'm just stating the fact.
How does it make you feel?
[Jason] How does what make me feel?
When you see someone, a young girl,
killed,
bludgeoned to death?
Does it not do, does it not do something?
[Jason] Well, I just don't understand how
that's connected to a microphone.
I'm sorry, I don't understand how that's connected
to a microphone and to background noise
and to a train behind us.
I wasn't aware that we were gonna be in a train.
I'm just saying to my colleague,
can we at least close the window?
I mean, I'm just saying to my colleague, like,
I would've, brought mics 'cause you know,
I thought we were indoors and we've only got this mic.
I was just asking you if you like trains because it came up.
I mean, can we not move on?
Can we not move forward?
You are not professionals, you're not detectives.
You may pretend to be in your iterations,
in your storytelling and narratives
that you create around this but, it doesn't fool me.
You both,
are just here
for the sick aspect of glorifying in violence.
And you know what you actually make me sick, both of you.
[Jason] So does that mean you won't
be a part of my podcast?
I think this conversation's over,
I think you two need to leave.
I have serious police work to do.
I think the interview's over you can stop recording.
(door slamming)
[Mark] Jason.
[Jason] Richard.
Richard.
I felt like I needed to be here and I don't know why.
Why don't you come to my office and sit down.
I'll get you a glass of water.
[Jason] Richard is gone.
I know.
We'll talk about that, come sit down
(water dripping)
(phone vibrating)
To whoever to finds us.
I haven't, haven't been sleeping.
I've just been
sitting here...
Waiting.
That-(Jason breathing heavily)
Just look at that.
(wooden planks creaking) (footsteps)
[Mark] Have a seat. (footsteps)
Why are you in my home, Jason?
[Jason] I am confused, I don't remember.
I don't remember how I got here.
I just, (Jason sighing)
I know I'm in trouble.
I've come for help.
It was...
I didn't want to do,
anything.
But,
it was always Richard.
It it was him.
It wasn't me.
The police have come, come get me.
Richard is gone.
I got into this with the best intentions.
I just wanted to make a film, that was it.
That, that's all I ever wanted to do,
I just wanted to make a film
and now I know that there is no way out of this.
Funny, Richard is gone,
and now I don't feel,
I don't,
I don't feel like I know even who I am
it's just like a fog, I need Richard.
He isn't here.
He always knew what to do.
And what do you remember Jason?
[Jason] The police, the police are closing in.
I know that they know,
what we did together,
and I'm alone,
and I don't know how,
I got here,
I don't remember.
I don't know what I'm doing here.
(police sirens)
It was you, Jason.
It was you.
There was no Richard to help you.
Don't you see?
Your film, this documentary?
You, are your film.
[Jason] That makes no sense.
Oh, Jason, how do you not see it?
It was an experiment,
Richard.
Me.
We are agents.
In a bureau and you,
you are our product.
Jason isn't even your real name.
- [Jason] What is it, - [Mark] Ryan.
We needed to make a killer.
We needed to see if we could control someone.
And our little filmmaker was born,
and you have been a very,
very good,
lab rat.
[Ryan] I don't believe you.
I don't, no, I remember that you and I,
we met before I brought Richard here.
We met, I told you I wanted to make a documentary
for the Cannnes,
Film Festival.
You told me where to find Richard,
who you had suspected had been a killer.
We were gonna bring him down together,
That's what you told me, that's what you said.
That's right, I gave you that information.
I took you there,
But that wasn't the first time we met, Jason.
[Ryan] What, why do I feel funny?
It's all a part of the programming.
You see, Ryan, Jason is your control word,
the way we manipulate you and control you?
[Ryan] I don't believe it. I can't believe it.
The first time we met wasn't even the first time
that we met, we had met many times before.
Although it took us a while to bring you around
(Ryan groaning)
But eventually we got you there.
You see, Richard's already been extracted,
this is just the final bow.
[Ryan] You know, I've got you on camera, I've got copies.
I've made copies, even if you get me here, I've made copies.
(Ryan laughing)
You, you are screwed, do you realize that
you are fucking screwed!
Jason, Jason.
[Ryan] Oh, whoa.
You see that programming works really well, Jason.
[Ryan] What the fuck?
Why is everything so cloudy?
You see, I advise that you,
figure things out relatively quickly
'cause my car is on the way, and when they find you,
let's just say they won't be as
happy to see you as I have been.
[Ryan] What happens to me?
Well, you've served your purpose.
You've killed the people we needed killed,
our product has done what it intended to do,
and now like every lost toy,
you will be tossed back onto the pile.
- [Ryan] Oh. - Good luck Jason.
I have a 3D printer, (water dripping)
artisan,
extensive research.
I have managed to find a schematic to,
print a 3D gun.
I'd like to apologize to the,
family's of the deceased.
Whoever finds these tapes,
please,
please make this story known.
Please finish my film,
and get the truth out there.
Please show the world how I was used and manipulated
and how sorry-(banging on the door)
[Police] Police, open the door!
How sorry I really am.
(gun cocking) (gunshot)
(loud thud)