1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:21,780 --> 00:00:23,363 Let's just do it from here. 4 00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:26,891 Alright, Dan? 5 00:00:26,891 --> 00:00:27,766 Yeah. 6 00:00:28,740 --> 00:00:31,578 All right, the security camera's just there 7 00:00:31,578 --> 00:00:33,378 Where those two pillars are? 8 00:00:33,378 --> 00:00:35,418 The gas tank though, you've got the big tank there. 9 00:00:35,418 --> 00:00:38,200 The gas chamber is, it's more to the right, 10 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,473 it's more towards the puff. 11 00:00:46,230 --> 00:00:47,298 So my heart's pounding. 12 00:00:47,298 --> 00:00:50,733 My body was saying, get the hell out of here. 13 00:00:51,900 --> 00:00:53,868 My worst nightmares were coming through. 14 00:00:53,868 --> 00:00:54,960 I'd have to leave it. 15 00:00:57,048 --> 00:00:59,109 If I'm not willing to risk my life 16 00:00:59,109 --> 00:01:00,708 to expose what's happening to them, 17 00:01:00,708 --> 00:01:02,853 then I don't really care about it enough. 18 00:01:06,494 --> 00:01:09,704 You're on private property, bye-bye. 19 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,318 Hey Joey, what do you got from there? 20 00:01:33,318 --> 00:01:34,578 So, ever since I was a little kid, 21 00:01:34,578 --> 00:01:37,623 I was always an animal lover, but I really love pigs. 22 00:01:41,058 --> 00:01:43,098 Honestly think the catalyst for me loving pigs so much 23 00:01:43,098 --> 00:01:44,688 was the movie "Babe". 24 00:01:44,688 --> 00:01:47,085 And after watching that I would always draw pictures of pigs 25 00:01:47,085 --> 00:01:49,008 and I was at school making cutouts of pigs, 26 00:01:49,008 --> 00:01:52,308 and they were just the main characters in all my drawings. 27 00:01:52,308 --> 00:01:54,648 My name is Joey, I'm from the northern suburbs 28 00:01:54,648 --> 00:01:56,478 of South Australia. 29 00:01:56,478 --> 00:01:58,758 I come from a broken home and my dad left 30 00:01:58,758 --> 00:02:00,138 when I was really young. 31 00:02:00,138 --> 00:02:01,698 From about the age of 14, 32 00:02:01,698 --> 00:02:04,128 I started experimenting with drugs. 33 00:02:04,128 --> 00:02:06,648 I started becoming acclimated to street violence actually. 34 00:02:06,648 --> 00:02:08,238 Things progressed, like what happens 35 00:02:08,238 --> 00:02:10,098 is the environment starts to shape you. 36 00:02:10,098 --> 00:02:12,858 The violence started to step up a notch as well 37 00:02:12,858 --> 00:02:16,818 and it was just a crazy, crazy world. 38 00:02:16,818 --> 00:02:17,748 'Cause when you start getting 39 00:02:17,748 --> 00:02:20,028 to higher level organized crime, 40 00:02:20,028 --> 00:02:21,648 there's starting to be power struggles, 41 00:02:21,648 --> 00:02:23,208 there starting to be wars on the streets, 42 00:02:23,208 --> 00:02:25,458 and there was shootings, and assassinations were happening. 43 00:02:25,458 --> 00:02:27,858 There were stabbings but it was the amount of drugs 44 00:02:27,858 --> 00:02:30,018 I was using that started to spiral my mental health. 45 00:02:30,018 --> 00:02:31,608 And it happens over the course of years. 46 00:02:31,608 --> 00:02:34,548 And yeah, so I always had a gun on me for protection. 47 00:02:34,548 --> 00:02:37,518 You're really stupid if you didn't actually in that world. 48 00:02:37,518 --> 00:02:39,708 And I remember one night I was on the run from the police 49 00:02:39,708 --> 00:02:42,618 and they caught up with me at a cheap hotel, 50 00:02:42,618 --> 00:02:46,893 and they found the firearm down my trousers, and bang, 51 00:02:47,730 --> 00:02:51,798 it was the sobriety that prison gave me 52 00:02:51,798 --> 00:02:54,918 that made me start analyzing my life from a new perspective. 53 00:02:54,918 --> 00:02:57,408 I started seeing that my actions have reactions 54 00:02:57,408 --> 00:02:58,818 and I started thinking to myself, 55 00:02:58,818 --> 00:03:00,648 do I really wanna stay here for the rest of my life? 56 00:03:00,648 --> 00:03:02,190 'Cause that's where I'm going. 57 00:03:04,308 --> 00:03:05,898 So when I got released from prison, 58 00:03:05,898 --> 00:03:07,488 it was an amazing feeling. 59 00:03:07,488 --> 00:03:11,328 I was like so grateful for my freedom, and to see my family, 60 00:03:11,328 --> 00:03:13,818 and I just knew what I'd lost, 61 00:03:13,818 --> 00:03:16,098 and I knew what I could lose at that point. 62 00:03:16,098 --> 00:03:21,140 But that sobriety is what made me change my whole mindset. 63 00:03:21,330 --> 00:03:24,228 I started to really think of my future 64 00:03:24,228 --> 00:03:27,303 and I started thinking, what the gang life, not for me. 65 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,288 That was one of the most anxious times in my life 66 00:03:30,288 --> 00:03:31,938 actually being sober and leaving the gangs 67 00:03:31,938 --> 00:03:34,548 and I had an existential crisis. 68 00:03:34,548 --> 00:03:35,508 I didn't know who I was. 69 00:03:35,508 --> 00:03:39,258 I had an identity crisis but I stayed strong 70 00:03:39,258 --> 00:03:42,693 and stayed sober, and that was the beginning of my new life. 71 00:03:44,580 --> 00:03:46,038 So people might think it's pretty funny 72 00:03:46,038 --> 00:03:47,478 for an ex-gang member, 73 00:03:47,478 --> 00:03:51,108 but even to this day I still really love pigs. 74 00:03:51,108 --> 00:03:52,878 You are my favorite animal ever. 75 00:03:52,878 --> 00:03:54,299 Look at you. 76 00:03:54,299 --> 00:03:56,687 Hello, hello. 77 00:03:58,886 --> 00:03:59,778 I just love pigs. 78 00:03:59,778 --> 00:04:00,611 Hey, bud. 79 00:04:00,611 --> 00:04:02,110 Do I get a cuddle? 80 00:04:02,110 --> 00:04:02,943 I love their demeanor. 81 00:04:02,943 --> 00:04:04,938 I love their intelligence. 82 00:04:04,938 --> 00:04:08,028 I love the way that they care for their families. 83 00:04:08,028 --> 00:04:11,268 Some are playful, some are lazy, 84 00:04:11,268 --> 00:04:14,058 and they all have their own unique personalities. 85 00:04:14,058 --> 00:04:16,068 They're all individuals. 86 00:04:16,068 --> 00:04:17,510 What do you know about pigs? 87 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:19,331 They're cute when they're small, 88 00:04:19,331 --> 00:04:20,739 and they trot around and stuff. 89 00:04:20,739 --> 00:04:21,651 They're cute. 90 00:04:21,651 --> 00:04:24,768 Let's see, pigs are a domestic and wild animal. 91 00:04:24,768 --> 00:04:26,778 They're found throughout the world 92 00:04:26,778 --> 00:04:28,818 and people think they're dirty 93 00:04:28,818 --> 00:04:30,287 but they're actually quite clean. 94 00:04:30,287 --> 00:04:31,691 They got a curly tail. 95 00:04:31,691 --> 00:04:33,566 A little like noses. 96 00:04:36,155 --> 00:04:37,578 They've got a language of their own. 97 00:04:37,578 --> 00:04:39,858 Have many varieties and colors. 98 00:04:39,858 --> 00:04:41,538 So what do you know about pigs? 99 00:04:41,538 --> 00:04:46,580 They live in pens and we tend to eat a lot of them. 100 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,738 I don't know much about pig. 101 00:04:48,738 --> 00:04:51,273 I know you can get the most meat off of them. 102 00:04:53,628 --> 00:04:56,193 Easy to keep good for sausages, bacon. 103 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,718 What many people don't know about pigs 104 00:04:59,718 --> 00:05:01,818 is everything that happens to them in order to end up 105 00:05:01,818 --> 00:05:03,123 on the supermarket shelf. 106 00:05:04,470 --> 00:05:06,948 I can't blame anyone for not knowing. 107 00:05:06,948 --> 00:05:09,348 I had been fooled for most of my life, 108 00:05:09,348 --> 00:05:11,778 but when I found out what was really going on, 109 00:05:11,778 --> 00:05:14,313 I had to do everything in my power to expose it. 110 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,098 The majority of pigs in the UK are killed in gas chambers. 111 00:05:25,098 --> 00:05:27,498 The meat industry say it's humane, 112 00:05:27,498 --> 00:05:29,268 but they definitely don't want the public to see 113 00:05:29,268 --> 00:05:30,860 what's going on inside of them. 114 00:05:36,990 --> 00:05:40,428 No one has ever planted cameras inside of a UK gas chamber. 115 00:05:40,428 --> 00:05:41,703 I needed to change that, 116 00:05:42,821 --> 00:05:44,118 but it would be the most dangerous thing 117 00:05:44,118 --> 00:05:45,963 I've ever attempted in my life. 118 00:05:47,790 --> 00:05:50,508 For months I studied gas chamber blueprints. 119 00:05:50,508 --> 00:05:52,848 I had to consider so many different variables. 120 00:05:52,848 --> 00:05:54,843 Any mistake could be fatal. 121 00:05:59,850 --> 00:06:01,100 I couldn't do this alone. 122 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:05,418 So I asked my partner Tarion to come along for the journey 123 00:06:05,418 --> 00:06:08,088 and I turned to Dan to go in as an undercover employee. 124 00:06:08,088 --> 00:06:09,030 Put a ladder here. 125 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:12,603 This here is the access point. 126 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:16,248 And then we will climb up there 127 00:06:16,248 --> 00:06:19,308 and walk across the roof to the stairwell. 128 00:06:19,308 --> 00:06:22,068 Yeah, there's a stairwell, external stairwell. 129 00:06:22,068 --> 00:06:26,809 Once we get on there, then it's just a walk around 130 00:06:26,809 --> 00:06:28,188 and then the pigs are here. 131 00:06:28,188 --> 00:06:30,152 So I'm 53 years old, you know what I mean? 132 00:06:30,152 --> 00:06:32,118 I should be sat at home in me slippers and my pipe now. 133 00:06:32,118 --> 00:06:33,741 But I need to do it. 134 00:06:33,741 --> 00:06:34,968 I need to do it. 135 00:06:34,968 --> 00:06:38,433 I spent 48 years of my life paying for this abuse. 136 00:06:39,750 --> 00:06:42,318 So I've got a lot of karma to pay back. 137 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:43,518 You know what I mean? 138 00:06:43,518 --> 00:06:44,943 A lot of karma to pay back. 139 00:06:46,980 --> 00:06:49,728 And this is the only way I know how to do it. 140 00:06:49,728 --> 00:06:52,788 Because we know what's happening to the animals, 141 00:06:52,788 --> 00:06:54,948 we can't just sit by and let that happen. 142 00:06:54,948 --> 00:06:58,728 We have to do everything in our power to help them. 143 00:06:58,728 --> 00:07:02,088 Joey started planning this even before we met in 2019 144 00:07:02,088 --> 00:07:03,498 when he first told me about it all, 145 00:07:03,498 --> 00:07:06,185 I was like, you are planning to do what? 146 00:07:06,185 --> 00:07:07,608 It was just so many things to think about 147 00:07:07,608 --> 00:07:10,938 and it was something that we were discussing every night 148 00:07:10,938 --> 00:07:13,428 and every day for almost a year. 149 00:07:13,428 --> 00:07:16,578 So if God forsake anything does happen, 150 00:07:16,578 --> 00:07:19,113 most I can do is ring 999. 151 00:07:21,030 --> 00:07:22,961 He looks like a Frank. 152 00:07:22,961 --> 00:07:24,201 You look like a Frank. 153 00:07:24,201 --> 00:07:25,034 I wouldn't get away with Frank. 154 00:07:25,034 --> 00:07:26,178 He's Frank all over. 155 00:07:26,178 --> 00:07:27,408 You get away with Benny though. 156 00:07:27,408 --> 00:07:28,788 Yeah, you definitely get away with Benny. 157 00:07:28,788 --> 00:07:29,621 I'm a Benny. 158 00:07:29,621 --> 00:07:31,650 Yeah, you look like a Benny. 159 00:07:40,679 --> 00:07:42,782 This one is yours. 160 00:07:48,816 --> 00:07:50,649 So that's my lifeline. 161 00:07:56,137 --> 00:07:59,637 We wear these and then we wear the hats. 162 00:08:00,635 --> 00:08:01,468 Mask. 163 00:08:03,847 --> 00:08:07,427 Yeah, we've gotta be carrying that. 164 00:08:16,544 --> 00:08:18,622 Test, test check. 165 00:08:33,210 --> 00:08:35,268 When Joey and I first met, I didn't know 166 00:08:35,268 --> 00:08:37,668 that he was a well-known activist 167 00:08:37,668 --> 00:08:39,528 and when we were getting to know each other 168 00:08:39,528 --> 00:08:41,208 I learned all about his background, 169 00:08:41,208 --> 00:08:42,978 how he turned his life around 170 00:08:42,978 --> 00:08:45,191 and began his work for animals. 171 00:08:45,191 --> 00:08:46,717 Animals do not want to die. 172 00:08:47,619 --> 00:08:48,597 It's just the world we live in. 173 00:08:48,597 --> 00:08:50,598 It's a frustrating situation not being able to run 174 00:08:50,598 --> 00:08:51,438 and help these pigs. 175 00:08:51,438 --> 00:08:53,615 But the best way we can help is to advocate for them 176 00:08:53,615 --> 00:08:55,458 and be their voice. 177 00:08:55,458 --> 00:08:58,788 And things have stepped up and stepped up 178 00:08:58,788 --> 00:09:00,678 as I've been an activist over the years, 179 00:09:00,678 --> 00:09:02,478 and I keep pushing the envelope. 180 00:09:02,478 --> 00:09:03,858 Understand that the language 181 00:09:03,858 --> 00:09:06,558 of what they're trying to say but suffering is universal. 182 00:09:06,558 --> 00:09:07,878 You can see in their eyes. 183 00:09:07,878 --> 00:09:10,308 So in 2015, Animal Liberation Victoria 184 00:09:10,308 --> 00:09:13,698 released an investigation into the gas chambers 185 00:09:13,698 --> 00:09:15,498 in Victoria, Australia. 186 00:09:15,498 --> 00:09:16,668 The action coincided 187 00:09:16,668 --> 00:09:18,558 with the release of footage, the group claims 188 00:09:18,558 --> 00:09:20,718 shows abuse in the pork industry. 189 00:09:20,718 --> 00:09:23,268 Members say it's part of a two-year investigation 190 00:09:23,268 --> 00:09:26,328 where one of the activists infiltrated a gas chamber. 191 00:09:26,328 --> 00:09:28,548 That was the first time I'd ever seen pigs 192 00:09:28,548 --> 00:09:29,658 in gas chambers. 193 00:09:29,658 --> 00:09:32,208 And it was extremely shocking to me. 194 00:09:32,208 --> 00:09:34,578 I didn't even know they were using these machines. 195 00:09:34,578 --> 00:09:35,958 I'd heard about them in history, 196 00:09:35,958 --> 00:09:38,238 I didn't know they were using 'em on animals. 197 00:09:38,238 --> 00:09:41,745 And the idea you get when you hear about, 198 00:09:41,745 --> 00:09:43,608 oh, the meat industry used gas chambers 199 00:09:43,608 --> 00:09:45,858 is they must be using some type of sleeping gas. 200 00:09:45,858 --> 00:09:48,558 So it must be painless. 201 00:09:48,558 --> 00:09:50,838 And it's the impression that the marketing 202 00:09:50,838 --> 00:09:52,608 of the meat gives you. 203 00:09:52,608 --> 00:09:55,248 It's like well it's humane slaughter, 204 00:09:55,248 --> 00:09:56,613 but that's not the case. 205 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,288 I did center my activism around gas chambers 206 00:10:00,288 --> 00:10:01,368 from that point onwards. 207 00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:03,648 It would be one of my main talking points 208 00:10:03,648 --> 00:10:06,768 because to me I couldn't believe these machines 209 00:10:06,768 --> 00:10:09,408 actually existed to kill these intelligent beings. 210 00:10:09,408 --> 00:10:14,450 Do you know about gas chamber in the meat industry? 211 00:10:15,199 --> 00:10:15,990 Gas chambers? 212 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:16,946 Not in the meat industry, no. 213 00:10:16,946 --> 00:10:19,286 Do you know about gas chambers? 214 00:10:19,286 --> 00:10:20,119 Yeah. 215 00:10:20,119 --> 00:10:20,952 For pigs? 216 00:10:20,952 --> 00:10:22,758 Ah, really? 217 00:10:22,758 --> 00:10:25,248 I thought you were talking about the Second World War 218 00:10:25,248 --> 00:10:26,081 or something. 219 00:10:26,081 --> 00:10:27,185 Yeah, but. 220 00:10:27,185 --> 00:10:28,018 Oh, I didn't know. 221 00:10:28,018 --> 00:10:28,905 I don't know anything about it 222 00:10:28,905 --> 00:10:30,048 but I rather not know really 223 00:10:30,048 --> 00:10:34,248 'cause it's pretty nasty, innit really? 224 00:10:34,248 --> 00:10:35,523 They gas the pigs? 225 00:10:36,690 --> 00:10:37,578 Yeah. 226 00:10:37,578 --> 00:10:40,173 Do you know anything about CO2 gas chambers? 227 00:10:41,049 --> 00:10:42,673 Yeah. 228 00:10:42,673 --> 00:10:43,506 See this is why we're talking to people actually, 229 00:10:43,506 --> 00:10:44,785 'cause a lot of people don't know. 230 00:10:44,785 --> 00:10:45,618 No. 231 00:10:45,618 --> 00:10:47,178 The first gas chamber was designed in the 1850s 232 00:10:47,178 --> 00:10:49,770 by the British physician, Benjamin Ward Richardson. 233 00:10:50,988 --> 00:10:53,208 In 1952 with the rise of factory farming, 234 00:10:53,208 --> 00:10:55,848 Hormel Foods introduced the concept of CO2 gas stunning 235 00:10:55,848 --> 00:10:58,938 to the meat industry in the USA, the practice was adopted 236 00:10:58,938 --> 00:11:01,728 by the famous wiener manufacturer, Oscar Mayer, 237 00:11:01,728 --> 00:11:04,142 notorious for advertising their product to children 238 00:11:04,142 --> 00:11:07,941 ♪ Oh, I'd love to be an Oscar Mayer wiener ♪ 239 00:11:07,941 --> 00:11:10,698 By 1970, CO2 was introduced in Europe 240 00:11:10,698 --> 00:11:13,398 and in 1988 gas chamber manufacturer, Butina, 241 00:11:13,398 --> 00:11:16,278 had a hundred installations across the EU. 242 00:11:16,278 --> 00:11:17,658 Right from the outset, 243 00:11:17,658 --> 00:11:20,118 the industry promoted this method as humane. 244 00:11:20,118 --> 00:11:21,678 This pamphlet from the seventies claimed 245 00:11:21,678 --> 00:11:23,770 that the animals are gently put to sleep. 246 00:11:24,630 --> 00:11:26,358 So gas chambers are used across the world 247 00:11:26,358 --> 00:11:28,548 on many different species of animals. 248 00:11:28,548 --> 00:11:31,158 The spent egg-laying hens will be gassed. 249 00:11:31,158 --> 00:11:32,478 The little male chicks that don't make it 250 00:11:32,478 --> 00:11:34,698 to the egg industry will be gassed. 251 00:11:34,698 --> 00:11:37,068 We got chickens in the meat industry are gassed. 252 00:11:37,068 --> 00:11:39,018 Turkeys as well are gassed. 253 00:11:39,018 --> 00:11:42,648 There's also sometimes it's used on salmon and fish. 254 00:11:42,648 --> 00:11:47,448 But the main method for pigs across Australia, 255 00:11:47,448 --> 00:11:51,468 the US, Europe, and the UK is a CO2 gas chamber. 256 00:11:51,468 --> 00:11:53,418 Is there a humane way to do this? 257 00:11:53,418 --> 00:11:56,568 How would you feel if you were used for your body, 258 00:11:56,568 --> 00:11:58,218 confined into a cage, and the only thing 259 00:11:58,218 --> 00:12:00,408 you had to look forward to at the end of your life 260 00:12:00,408 --> 00:12:01,473 is a gas chamber? 261 00:12:02,550 --> 00:12:03,888 So when I found out about the chambers, 262 00:12:03,888 --> 00:12:05,568 I started campaigning in Australia 263 00:12:05,568 --> 00:12:07,998 and then I took it to the world stage, and went to the UK, 264 00:12:07,998 --> 00:12:09,348 and done a lot of campaigns over there. 265 00:12:09,348 --> 00:12:10,728 I've been in slaughterhouse myself. 266 00:12:10,728 --> 00:12:12,678 I've been out the front of gas chambers in Manchester, 267 00:12:12,678 --> 00:12:14,538 and hearing pigs scream for their lives. 268 00:12:14,538 --> 00:12:16,428 High-welfare slaughter is a fairytale, 269 00:12:16,428 --> 00:12:17,463 that is nonsense. 270 00:12:18,570 --> 00:12:19,968 But everything sort of went up a notch 271 00:12:19,968 --> 00:12:23,133 when I come across this notorious gas chamber in Manchester. 272 00:12:26,988 --> 00:12:28,188 Pilgrim's Pride is owned 273 00:12:28,188 --> 00:12:31,038 by the Brazilian multinational giant JBS, 274 00:12:31,038 --> 00:12:32,780 the world's largest meat producer. 275 00:12:34,020 --> 00:12:35,058 Its customers include 276 00:12:35,058 --> 00:12:38,238 just about every major supermarket chain you can think of, 277 00:12:38,238 --> 00:12:40,788 plus several fast food outlets. 278 00:12:40,788 --> 00:12:43,518 On the Manchester site alone, some three-quarters 279 00:12:43,518 --> 00:12:46,203 of a million pigs are gassed and killed each year. 280 00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:49,698 It has been a focus of a lot of animal rights protestors 281 00:12:49,698 --> 00:12:50,531 over the years. 282 00:12:50,531 --> 00:12:52,420 A lot of people know about this place. 283 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,878 It's actually notorious because it's located smack bang 284 00:13:01,878 --> 00:13:03,168 in a suburban area. 285 00:13:03,168 --> 00:13:04,728 There's actually a path 286 00:13:04,728 --> 00:13:06,468 that goes down the back of the chamber 287 00:13:06,468 --> 00:13:08,118 where people walk their dogs 288 00:13:08,118 --> 00:13:10,188 and you can hear the pigs screaming 289 00:13:10,188 --> 00:13:11,703 and it's really haunting. 290 00:13:15,740 --> 00:13:16,848 You know the screams are pigs. 291 00:13:16,848 --> 00:13:17,681 Yeah. 292 00:13:17,681 --> 00:13:18,748 Well, yeah, 293 00:13:18,748 --> 00:13:19,581 but mom used to like vegetarian food as well. 294 00:13:19,581 --> 00:13:20,414 I used to, I told you my mom used to live 295 00:13:20,414 --> 00:13:21,684 in the third house on there. 296 00:13:21,684 --> 00:13:22,517 Yeah. 297 00:13:22,517 --> 00:13:23,350 I used to see 'em queuing up. 298 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:24,183 Yeah. 299 00:13:24,183 --> 00:13:25,016 They was screaming. 300 00:13:25,016 --> 00:13:25,849 I used to live on Wall Street, 301 00:13:25,849 --> 00:13:28,020 and the trucks had come, 302 00:13:28,020 --> 00:13:29,058 and I could hear from my bedroom window, 303 00:13:29,058 --> 00:13:31,488 the pigs would wake us up about seven in the morning, 304 00:13:31,488 --> 00:13:32,755 screaming. 305 00:13:32,755 --> 00:13:33,588 Yeah. 306 00:13:33,588 --> 00:13:34,421 And then my mum said to me, 307 00:13:34,421 --> 00:13:35,254 they know they're gonna die. 308 00:13:35,254 --> 00:13:36,087 Of course, they do, 309 00:13:36,087 --> 00:13:36,920 they know it's coming. 310 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,958 They can sense it, yeah. 311 00:13:38,958 --> 00:13:40,428 I had that thought to myself, 312 00:13:40,428 --> 00:13:42,678 I thought if I really care about these animals, 313 00:13:42,678 --> 00:13:46,128 these animals have to experience that terror 314 00:13:46,128 --> 00:13:48,498 before they go down into that gas, and they're screaming, 315 00:13:48,498 --> 00:13:50,241 and they're like little infants in their mind. 316 00:13:50,241 --> 00:13:55,283 They don't understand, and they scream in terror, 317 00:13:56,220 --> 00:13:59,028 and beg for mercy and no one cares. 318 00:13:59,028 --> 00:14:01,128 And I heard those screams for so many years 319 00:14:01,128 --> 00:14:05,238 and I thought they have to experience 320 00:14:05,238 --> 00:14:08,478 a horrible factory farm and go into this death pit. 321 00:14:08,478 --> 00:14:13,008 And if I'm not willing to risk my life 322 00:14:13,008 --> 00:14:14,328 to expose what's happening to them, 323 00:14:14,328 --> 00:14:16,578 then I don't really care about it enough. 324 00:14:16,578 --> 00:14:18,918 And that's sort of the way I evaluated it in my mind. 325 00:14:18,918 --> 00:14:20,808 I was like, I've gotta do this. 326 00:14:20,808 --> 00:14:22,158 I have to do this. 327 00:14:22,158 --> 00:14:25,863 And it was something inside of me pushing me to do it. 328 00:14:39,810 --> 00:14:41,328 Placing cameras inside of these chambers 329 00:14:41,328 --> 00:14:42,948 wasn't gonna be easy. 330 00:14:42,948 --> 00:14:45,228 That slaughterhouse is very secure. 331 00:14:45,228 --> 00:14:47,385 There's workers there 24/7, 332 00:14:47,385 --> 00:14:49,758 there's CCTV that's constantly operating 333 00:14:49,758 --> 00:14:52,022 and there are security guards on site. 334 00:14:52,022 --> 00:14:54,180 Get out. 335 00:14:54,180 --> 00:14:55,594 You're on private property. 336 00:14:55,594 --> 00:14:56,552 Bye-Bye. 337 00:14:56,552 --> 00:14:57,385 Private property 338 00:14:57,385 --> 00:14:58,260 Bye-Bye. 339 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:03,318 They wouldn't let someone like me get a job at this place. 340 00:15:03,318 --> 00:15:05,238 I'm a well-known person. 341 00:15:05,238 --> 00:15:07,158 I've got a large social media presence 342 00:15:07,158 --> 00:15:10,458 so I couldn't be the one to go into this place. 343 00:15:10,458 --> 00:15:13,008 So the plan was we needed a worker to go in there, 344 00:15:13,008 --> 00:15:15,363 do some groundwork, find out about the place. 345 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,508 I can't do everything, 346 00:15:17,508 --> 00:15:20,000 but I had a pretty good person in mind who could. 347 00:15:23,940 --> 00:15:26,538 Breaking news and some activists 348 00:15:26,538 --> 00:15:30,138 have chained themselves off and caused a total shutdown. 349 00:15:30,138 --> 00:15:31,638 The police are there. 350 00:15:31,638 --> 00:15:33,348 So we're gonna see how close we can get. 351 00:15:33,348 --> 00:15:34,638 See if we can get some footage. 352 00:15:34,638 --> 00:15:36,348 Maybe go live on Instagram. 353 00:15:36,348 --> 00:15:37,181 Stay back a bit. 354 00:15:37,181 --> 00:15:38,434 Alright. 355 00:15:38,434 --> 00:15:39,267 You don't need to touch me, mate. 356 00:15:39,267 --> 00:15:41,298 I just thought he's really courageous 357 00:15:41,298 --> 00:15:43,890 and he'd be the perfect person to go in undercover. 358 00:15:46,380 --> 00:15:47,514 Okay. 359 00:15:47,514 --> 00:15:48,978 So I went for the induction. 360 00:15:48,978 --> 00:15:51,528 What I did find funny was the woman 361 00:15:51,528 --> 00:15:54,018 who was taking the induction, 362 00:15:54,018 --> 00:15:57,648 she talked about the vegan activists outside, who protest. 363 00:15:57,648 --> 00:16:01,848 And I've been one of those a few times over the months. 364 00:16:01,848 --> 00:16:04,308 And then she turned around and she said, 365 00:16:04,308 --> 00:16:07,743 but don't worry there's a lot of security at this place. 366 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:14,030 So there'd be no vegan activists getting inside the factory. 367 00:16:14,970 --> 00:16:17,407 Boop, she looked right at me 368 00:16:17,407 --> 00:16:18,468 and I just couldn't help but smile. 369 00:16:18,468 --> 00:16:22,503 And I'm here, I'm already here, girl. 370 00:16:24,900 --> 00:16:27,648 So this is where the pigs are kept. 371 00:16:27,648 --> 00:16:31,848 The pigs were kept in horrible dirty conditions. 372 00:16:31,848 --> 00:16:33,590 As you can hear they're screaming. 373 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:35,410 They were scared. 374 00:16:38,478 --> 00:16:41,767 I'm going to try and hide this camera somewhere. 375 00:16:43,891 --> 00:16:46,908 They were kept in rooms right next to the gas chamber. 376 00:16:46,908 --> 00:16:48,950 So they come up here, come up this ramp, 377 00:16:56,820 --> 00:16:58,370 come into the gas chamber here. 378 00:17:03,297 --> 00:17:05,497 They come out the gas chamber there, 379 00:17:05,497 --> 00:17:08,223 which is right next door to where the pigs are kept, 380 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,828 and this is the fell floor. 381 00:17:13,828 --> 00:17:15,753 Yeah, it's not very nice work at all. 382 00:17:17,010 --> 00:17:19,518 The induction itself gave me a bit of indication 383 00:17:19,518 --> 00:17:22,908 about what type of people that they employ. 384 00:17:22,908 --> 00:17:26,478 People who haven't got any qualifications, 385 00:17:26,478 --> 00:17:29,298 can only basic reading and writing skills, 386 00:17:29,298 --> 00:17:30,918 which it isn't a bad thing. 387 00:17:30,918 --> 00:17:31,805 I don't see that as a bad thing, 388 00:17:31,805 --> 00:17:35,313 but it just speaks volumes about the type of work. 389 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:39,378 People who work in slaughterhouses 390 00:17:39,378 --> 00:17:41,268 when they're engaging in the killing 391 00:17:41,268 --> 00:17:42,708 or harmful behavior towards animals. 392 00:17:42,708 --> 00:17:44,628 That's quite a traumatic experience, 393 00:17:44,628 --> 00:17:47,718 especially if they have high empathy towards animals. 394 00:17:47,718 --> 00:17:49,218 And that traumatic experience 395 00:17:49,218 --> 00:17:52,128 can lead to mental health difficulties. 396 00:17:52,128 --> 00:17:54,078 So people who work in slaughterhouses 397 00:17:54,078 --> 00:17:57,198 are significantly more likely to experience depression, 398 00:17:57,198 --> 00:17:59,628 anxiety, and other mental health difficulties 399 00:17:59,628 --> 00:18:02,448 where they're now having to work out a way to cope 400 00:18:02,448 --> 00:18:06,078 with those experiences so that they can get the job done. 401 00:18:06,078 --> 00:18:08,298 Being low-income workers, 402 00:18:08,298 --> 00:18:10,038 they don't feel like they can leave this job 403 00:18:10,038 --> 00:18:10,938 and go and do something else. 404 00:18:10,938 --> 00:18:13,008 They have to find a way to get through it. 405 00:18:13,008 --> 00:18:14,164 Yeah. 406 00:18:14,164 --> 00:18:16,638 So animals are the primary victims of slaughterhouses, 407 00:18:16,638 --> 00:18:19,608 but the workers there are also affected. 408 00:18:19,608 --> 00:18:21,528 My research focuses on the social 409 00:18:21,528 --> 00:18:22,518 and psychological factors 410 00:18:22,518 --> 00:18:26,088 associated with why people harm animals. 411 00:18:26,088 --> 00:18:29,478 But more recently I've become interested in this paradox 412 00:18:29,478 --> 00:18:32,238 of people who can legally kill animals 413 00:18:32,238 --> 00:18:34,758 and whether that's a psychological harm on them. 414 00:18:34,758 --> 00:18:38,688 So you can have two people who commit the exact same act. 415 00:18:38,688 --> 00:18:41,898 One will be a cow, one will be a dog, but one will be paid 416 00:18:41,898 --> 00:18:43,790 and one will be convicted of offense. 417 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,308 What you'll find is that there are typically two types 418 00:18:49,308 --> 00:18:51,348 of people who work in slaughterhouses. 419 00:18:51,348 --> 00:18:54,018 You'll have the one type where they are self-selecting 420 00:18:54,018 --> 00:18:55,308 that form of employment. 421 00:18:55,308 --> 00:18:57,198 There's something about working in a slaughterhouse 422 00:18:57,198 --> 00:18:59,538 that draws them in. 423 00:18:59,538 --> 00:19:01,818 Unfortunately, they tend to be the type of people 424 00:19:01,818 --> 00:19:04,638 who want to act out their aggression. 425 00:19:04,638 --> 00:19:08,388 They wanna act out more antisocial ideas in that environment 426 00:19:08,388 --> 00:19:10,248 and they get paid to do that. 427 00:19:10,248 --> 00:19:13,278 The other type are the people who probably 428 00:19:13,278 --> 00:19:14,778 would be considered a bit more vulnerable 429 00:19:14,778 --> 00:19:16,968 because they've been trying to get employment 430 00:19:16,968 --> 00:19:19,458 in any sphere that they can. 431 00:19:19,458 --> 00:19:21,678 But the slaughterhouse is the one opportunity 432 00:19:21,678 --> 00:19:24,018 that they've been successful in gaining 433 00:19:24,018 --> 00:19:27,618 and as a result they are not coming in with the idea 434 00:19:27,618 --> 00:19:29,688 to harm animals or kill animals, 435 00:19:29,688 --> 00:19:31,008 they just know that this is a job 436 00:19:31,008 --> 00:19:32,538 where they're gonna have to do this. 437 00:19:32,538 --> 00:19:36,048 Not understanding what impact it might have on them 438 00:19:36,048 --> 00:19:37,503 and their wider family. 439 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,028 I worked at the slaughterhouse in Manchester. 440 00:19:41,028 --> 00:19:43,938 For me, it would've been the last place I wanted to work, 441 00:19:43,938 --> 00:19:47,253 but because I was on such hard times, I needed the job. 442 00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:50,958 My misses were pregnant and was about to have a baby. 443 00:19:50,958 --> 00:19:54,228 So for me, it wasn't a second guess of a question that, 444 00:19:54,228 --> 00:19:56,628 yes, on Monday I start there. 445 00:19:56,628 --> 00:19:59,027 So I started on a Monday. 446 00:20:00,978 --> 00:20:03,218 You walk in and the first thing you see 447 00:20:03,218 --> 00:20:05,868 is piglets hanging from the ceiling 448 00:20:05,868 --> 00:20:08,220 and hooks going through the skin. 449 00:20:09,165 --> 00:20:11,508 And below them is just a river bed of blood 450 00:20:11,508 --> 00:20:14,508 that's just flowing all the way through the abattoir. 451 00:20:14,508 --> 00:20:16,518 And in the background, you can hear the piglets 452 00:20:16,518 --> 00:20:17,895 squealing for their lives. 453 00:20:17,895 --> 00:20:20,658 And it was our job to remove the pig's toenails 454 00:20:20,658 --> 00:20:22,338 and to burn, singe the hair off. 455 00:20:22,338 --> 00:20:26,238 And we'd rotate, me and this lad, and I seen 456 00:20:26,238 --> 00:20:31,280 and witnessed one of them rip pig's eyeball out of its head 457 00:20:31,530 --> 00:20:34,668 and kick it across the abattoir floor. 458 00:20:34,668 --> 00:20:38,238 And they all just started laughing between each other. 459 00:20:38,238 --> 00:20:41,328 Nobody stood back in horror and went, what are you doing? 460 00:20:41,328 --> 00:20:43,576 They become so desensitized to it. 461 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:46,998 They're there every day, a lot of them 12 hours a day. 462 00:20:46,998 --> 00:20:48,858 They have been for 20 years. 463 00:20:48,858 --> 00:20:51,648 I had to run out of the abattoir and ring my partner 464 00:20:51,648 --> 00:20:53,898 and say, I can't physically do this. 465 00:20:53,898 --> 00:20:54,773 It's not right. 466 00:20:55,980 --> 00:20:58,908 The screaming I feel stays with me. 467 00:20:58,908 --> 00:21:02,118 But even more so than the eye. 468 00:21:02,118 --> 00:21:03,910 I know that doesn't sound the best, 469 00:21:04,767 --> 00:21:08,470 but just hearing them, it's like hearing a person scream 470 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:10,938 before they're killed. 471 00:21:10,938 --> 00:21:14,235 They just echo through the abattoir 472 00:21:14,235 --> 00:21:17,155 and it's something of nightmares. 473 00:21:19,451 --> 00:21:21,708 Hearts, lungs, guts. 474 00:21:21,708 --> 00:21:24,738 Yeah, I work in slaughterhouses. 475 00:21:24,738 --> 00:21:28,818 And I would be assessing for disease, 476 00:21:28,818 --> 00:21:31,818 any issues within the carcass and looking at the tails. 477 00:21:31,818 --> 00:21:35,628 And sometimes you'd end up going down to the gut room 478 00:21:35,628 --> 00:21:39,858 and looking at how many worms were coming out and stuff. 479 00:21:39,858 --> 00:21:42,548 You're quite a pivotal role as a vet in the industry 480 00:21:42,548 --> 00:21:47,590 in that you work with Red Tractor, RSPCA, laboratories, 481 00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:51,408 pharmaceutical companies, nutritionists, 482 00:21:51,408 --> 00:21:54,288 geneticists, and of course, the producers. 483 00:21:54,288 --> 00:21:56,838 And then four years I spent as a pig vet, 484 00:21:56,838 --> 00:21:58,878 so commercial pig vet. 485 00:21:58,878 --> 00:22:03,920 And that involved working with hundreds of Britain's farms 486 00:22:04,020 --> 00:22:06,768 covering a huge area of England. 487 00:22:06,768 --> 00:22:08,838 I mean they stink as well, these places, 488 00:22:08,838 --> 00:22:12,828 you can smell the fear, the gut contents, 489 00:22:12,828 --> 00:22:16,818 the excrement, the blood, like hot blood, 490 00:22:16,818 --> 00:22:18,123 burning skin and hair. 491 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,338 Yeah, the slaughterhouse work has obviously stayed with me 492 00:22:22,338 --> 00:22:24,363 for some time. 493 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,748 Working in slaughterhouses 494 00:22:26,748 --> 00:22:28,998 is quite a traumatic experience. 495 00:22:28,998 --> 00:22:32,238 There's no amount of preparation that people can have, 496 00:22:32,238 --> 00:22:33,378 even though they're going in 497 00:22:33,378 --> 00:22:34,728 knowing that they're gonna kill animals. 498 00:22:34,728 --> 00:22:37,758 But once you walk through the door, all the sensory stimuli 499 00:22:37,758 --> 00:22:40,008 that you experience is overwhelming. 500 00:22:40,008 --> 00:22:42,648 And so as much as possible to keep, 501 00:22:42,648 --> 00:22:44,478 maintain that employment, 502 00:22:44,478 --> 00:22:47,088 people will develop these coping mechanisms 503 00:22:47,088 --> 00:22:48,588 to look after themselves. 504 00:22:48,588 --> 00:22:50,688 Unfortunately, they can be quite problematic 505 00:22:50,688 --> 00:22:52,518 like drugs or alcohol. 506 00:22:52,518 --> 00:22:55,548 This could spill out in terms of aggression 507 00:22:55,548 --> 00:22:57,978 and violence in their personal lives. 508 00:22:57,978 --> 00:22:59,028 That could be in their homes 509 00:22:59,028 --> 00:23:00,918 or it could be out amongst others. 510 00:23:00,918 --> 00:23:03,318 I often drive by the slaughterhouse 511 00:23:03,318 --> 00:23:05,271 but I live five minutes up the road. 512 00:23:05,271 --> 00:23:08,598 So every time I do it takes me back to that place 513 00:23:08,598 --> 00:23:11,328 of where I can hear them screams, 514 00:23:11,328 --> 00:23:13,278 I can see that river of blood, 515 00:23:13,278 --> 00:23:17,200 I can see them people abusing the carcasses 516 00:23:18,540 --> 00:23:23,508 and it's not nice, it stays with me. 517 00:23:23,508 --> 00:23:24,900 It stays with me every day. 518 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,343 I'm already here, girl. 519 00:23:36,930 --> 00:23:39,498 So then she talked about the shifts 520 00:23:39,498 --> 00:23:42,228 and she said there's a hygiene team that worked 521 00:23:42,228 --> 00:23:45,318 from four till midnight, which I jumped up straight away, 522 00:23:45,318 --> 00:23:46,458 I says, I'll do that. 523 00:23:46,458 --> 00:23:47,478 She was so happy 524 00:23:47,478 --> 00:23:50,550 because nobody wants to do that job you see. 525 00:23:52,568 --> 00:23:53,401 To be honest with you, 526 00:23:53,401 --> 00:23:57,218 this was the first major investigation I directed. 527 00:23:57,218 --> 00:23:59,388 So I was a little bit out of my depth, 528 00:23:59,388 --> 00:24:04,248 but I gave Dan some hidden cameras to start planting. 529 00:24:04,248 --> 00:24:07,248 Then on the following Monday I started, 530 00:24:07,248 --> 00:24:11,928 so what I did in the first week was I started walking in 531 00:24:11,928 --> 00:24:14,988 and looking at places to place my camera 532 00:24:14,988 --> 00:24:19,455 and then just making a move towards them, 533 00:24:19,455 --> 00:24:22,308 and looking suspicious, and climbing on things, 534 00:24:22,308 --> 00:24:23,178 and looking over things. 535 00:24:23,178 --> 00:24:24,468 And I did this every day to see 536 00:24:24,468 --> 00:24:28,518 that if I got pulled in the office and I never did. 537 00:24:28,518 --> 00:24:33,093 So that was that, everything was set in place. 538 00:24:39,570 --> 00:24:41,268 So Dan was looking for an opportunity 539 00:24:41,268 --> 00:24:44,200 to start placing these cameras and he ended up 540 00:24:45,060 --> 00:24:46,973 placing them in a pretty good positions. 541 00:24:53,820 --> 00:24:54,996 Yeah. 542 00:24:54,996 --> 00:24:56,790 So Dan first got me the kill floor footage 543 00:24:57,629 --> 00:24:58,758 and when I saw it, I was like wow, 544 00:24:58,758 --> 00:25:00,978 we've really got a glimpse from inside of here. 545 00:25:00,978 --> 00:25:03,228 There'll be someone there slapping the pigs on the back 546 00:25:03,228 --> 00:25:05,328 and pushing 'em into another compartment 547 00:25:05,328 --> 00:25:07,311 and then a mechanical door pushes them in. 548 00:25:07,311 --> 00:25:09,498 It's all machines and pushing 549 00:25:09,498 --> 00:25:11,088 these sentient conscious beings 550 00:25:11,088 --> 00:25:13,758 into this sort of death chamber. 551 00:25:13,758 --> 00:25:16,593 And then the door comes closing down behind the pigs. 552 00:25:24,566 --> 00:25:28,128 I could see the footage that he got from the kill floor. 553 00:25:28,128 --> 00:25:29,688 It's just something out of a horror story. 554 00:25:29,688 --> 00:25:32,778 These poor little childlike beings being strung up 555 00:25:32,778 --> 00:25:34,458 and stabbed to death all day. 556 00:25:34,458 --> 00:25:35,598 Thousands of them. 557 00:25:35,598 --> 00:25:37,638 The pigs, their dead, lifeless bodies 558 00:25:37,638 --> 00:25:39,858 being dragged out by their little trotters 559 00:25:39,858 --> 00:25:40,998 and hanging down there. 560 00:25:40,998 --> 00:25:42,048 It's just a pool of blood. 561 00:25:42,048 --> 00:25:47,090 And then, but I needed Dan to to get a glimpse 562 00:25:47,310 --> 00:25:48,428 of inside the chamber. 563 00:25:48,428 --> 00:25:51,978 So I only asked them to put a camera on the top of the hatch 564 00:25:51,978 --> 00:25:53,688 to get a glimpse of what happens 565 00:25:53,688 --> 00:25:54,980 to the pigs from the top. 566 00:26:02,317 --> 00:26:06,650 I looked in that gas chamber and it's really deep. 567 00:26:08,378 --> 00:26:11,000 I mean I was even going to plant a camera in the bottom 568 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,318 of the gas chamber and when I lifted the hatch 569 00:26:12,318 --> 00:26:13,635 and stuck my head and I could just smell the gas 570 00:26:13,635 --> 00:26:15,333 and I went dizzy instantly. 571 00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:17,515 And I put that down, I thought no. 572 00:26:17,515 --> 00:26:18,663 Sod that, no way. 573 00:26:21,858 --> 00:26:23,028 What we're looking at here is the top 574 00:26:23,028 --> 00:26:25,503 of a two-story gas chamber sunk into the ground. 575 00:26:29,790 --> 00:26:32,628 A carousel system of cages takes the animals from the top 576 00:26:32,628 --> 00:26:35,118 right down to the bottom where the concentration 577 00:26:35,118 --> 00:26:36,933 of CO2 gas is deadliest. 578 00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:41,058 So you can see the pigs going in, 579 00:26:41,058 --> 00:26:42,678 you can see them from the top there. 580 00:26:42,678 --> 00:26:44,268 There's just one extra part we needed 581 00:26:44,268 --> 00:26:45,948 and that was inside the chambers 582 00:26:45,948 --> 00:26:49,068 to see what actually happens to their behavior 583 00:26:49,068 --> 00:26:50,748 when they're in that gas. 584 00:26:50,748 --> 00:26:52,068 But it's not gonna be easy either 585 00:26:52,068 --> 00:26:54,978 to get a camera inside the cage. 586 00:26:54,978 --> 00:26:56,298 It's another level of risk. 587 00:26:56,298 --> 00:26:58,518 So you couldn't just do it as a worker in there 588 00:26:58,518 --> 00:27:00,978 and messing around on a ladder. 589 00:27:00,978 --> 00:27:03,858 It was something that needed a lot of planning. 590 00:27:03,858 --> 00:27:07,158 We needed to take in so many different variables, 591 00:27:07,158 --> 00:27:10,188 there were so many different things that could go wrong. 592 00:27:10,188 --> 00:27:11,953 Yeah, so this is the- 593 00:27:11,953 --> 00:27:13,627 I can't work that out. 594 00:27:14,490 --> 00:27:16,188 So while planning the next phase of the mission, 595 00:27:16,188 --> 00:27:18,858 I wanted to hear from the people who were still involved 596 00:27:18,858 --> 00:27:20,478 with the use of gas chambers. 597 00:27:20,478 --> 00:27:22,578 I wanted to see why they were still using gas chambers 598 00:27:22,578 --> 00:27:24,063 to kill pigs. 599 00:27:25,428 --> 00:27:28,458 Especially, since the science on CO2 being so cruel 600 00:27:28,458 --> 00:27:29,913 had been around for decades. 601 00:27:30,930 --> 00:27:34,488 So it ended up, we reached out to around 40 organizations 602 00:27:34,488 --> 00:27:37,038 including 12 animal research scientists. 603 00:27:37,038 --> 00:27:39,858 And either no one got back at all 604 00:27:39,858 --> 00:27:41,868 or people were just trying to handball us off 605 00:27:41,868 --> 00:27:44,088 to other organizations. 606 00:27:44,088 --> 00:27:47,088 But finally, there was a breakthrough. 607 00:27:47,088 --> 00:27:48,978 The first to respond to our requests 608 00:27:48,978 --> 00:27:51,108 were some members involved with animal welfare 609 00:27:51,108 --> 00:27:53,088 For more than quarter of a century, 610 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:56,568 scientists have been clear that high levels 611 00:27:56,568 --> 00:27:58,518 of carbon dioxide for killing pigs 612 00:27:58,518 --> 00:28:01,875 causes severe respiratory distress. 613 00:28:01,875 --> 00:28:05,208 And that the animals show a profound aversion 614 00:28:05,208 --> 00:28:07,338 to that killing method. 615 00:28:07,338 --> 00:28:10,608 And this was not only the case 616 00:28:10,608 --> 00:28:12,438 from independent scientists, 617 00:28:12,438 --> 00:28:14,838 but the method has also been condemned 618 00:28:14,838 --> 00:28:19,158 by the UK's only government's farm animal welfare council, 619 00:28:19,158 --> 00:28:21,258 way back in 2003. 620 00:28:21,258 --> 00:28:24,138 The European Union's own scientific committee, 621 00:28:24,138 --> 00:28:26,838 EFSA, condemned it in 2004 622 00:28:26,838 --> 00:28:31,038 and reaffirmed that condemnation in 2020. 623 00:28:31,038 --> 00:28:32,658 The science is clear. 624 00:28:32,658 --> 00:28:37,700 Killing pigs using carbon dioxide is absolutely inhumane. 625 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:41,973 CO2 is currently used because it's in the legislation. 626 00:28:43,051 --> 00:28:45,228 The Animal Welfare Committee does not have a remit 627 00:28:45,228 --> 00:28:47,958 on what goes into legislation and what doesn't. 628 00:28:47,958 --> 00:28:50,658 We only advise what could be in the legislation 629 00:28:50,658 --> 00:28:51,978 and what doesn't. 630 00:28:51,978 --> 00:28:57,020 So clearly we said in 2003 that CO2 was not the best method 631 00:28:57,900 --> 00:28:59,470 for using for the stunning pigs 632 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,528 and that we should phase it out if at all possible. 633 00:29:03,528 --> 00:29:07,818 That this cruel and scientifically condemned method 634 00:29:07,818 --> 00:29:11,568 by scientist after scientist is now being adopted 635 00:29:11,568 --> 00:29:15,618 by the industry in the UK and internationally 636 00:29:15,618 --> 00:29:18,558 as the humane way to kill pigs. 637 00:29:18,558 --> 00:29:19,638 Why is that? 638 00:29:19,638 --> 00:29:22,128 Because they can kill more pigs 639 00:29:22,128 --> 00:29:24,918 in the same premises at a lower cost. 640 00:29:24,918 --> 00:29:26,049 Yeah. 641 00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:27,378 So in 2003, the Animal Welfare Committee, 642 00:29:27,378 --> 00:29:30,978 who are an arm of Defra called for a ban on CO2 gas chambers 643 00:29:30,978 --> 00:29:34,098 and they wanted that implemented within the next five years. 644 00:29:34,098 --> 00:29:35,748 But that never happened. 645 00:29:35,748 --> 00:29:38,088 Our recommendation is to Defra 646 00:29:38,088 --> 00:29:43,130 and Defra's minister obviously receives that information 647 00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:45,903 and then can advise what action should be taken. 648 00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:48,371 Alright. 649 00:29:48,371 --> 00:29:53,283 I think maybe 'cause we're in London, we should go to Defra. 650 00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:56,898 So it'd been four months and we still hadn't gotten 651 00:29:56,898 --> 00:29:59,568 a response from these organizations, 652 00:29:59,568 --> 00:30:03,828 and I just got so sick of being hand-balled around 653 00:30:03,828 --> 00:30:06,411 and there was only one thing left to do. 654 00:30:06,411 --> 00:30:07,623 This is Defra. 655 00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:09,910 Hey. 656 00:30:09,910 --> 00:30:10,743 Hey, mate. 657 00:30:10,743 --> 00:30:11,718 And a security guard stopped us out in the front 658 00:30:11,718 --> 00:30:13,208 and said no, you can't film in here. 659 00:30:13,208 --> 00:30:14,628 Is this Defra here? 660 00:30:14,628 --> 00:30:16,098 You can't film this in this bit. 661 00:30:16,098 --> 00:30:17,367 You've gotta stay there. 662 00:30:17,367 --> 00:30:18,304 Oh, that's all right. 663 00:30:18,304 --> 00:30:19,137 Do you wanna pass a message on 664 00:30:19,137 --> 00:30:20,887 that we are making a documentary, 665 00:30:20,887 --> 00:30:24,150 we want to speak to someone from the Defra office? 666 00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:25,536 I dunno how you do it, but- 667 00:30:25,536 --> 00:30:28,316 Oh, we're just gonna be filming out here anyway. 668 00:30:28,316 --> 00:30:29,149 No worries. 669 00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:31,615 Thank you. 670 00:30:32,648 --> 00:30:33,558 So we rang the buzzer 671 00:30:33,558 --> 00:30:35,988 at the British Meat Processes Association 672 00:30:35,988 --> 00:30:37,233 and no one was there. 673 00:30:38,219 --> 00:30:39,010 You've reached 674 00:30:39,010 --> 00:30:40,698 the British Meat Processes Association, 675 00:30:40,698 --> 00:30:41,898 how can I help you? 676 00:30:41,898 --> 00:30:44,208 We're just making an independent documentary 677 00:30:44,208 --> 00:30:46,428 on the meat industry and we've been trying to email 678 00:30:46,428 --> 00:30:49,788 to get someone from the industry to make a statement. 679 00:30:49,788 --> 00:30:51,408 Pilgrim's didn't get back to us either, 680 00:30:51,408 --> 00:30:53,388 so we decided to visit them at their headquarters. 681 00:30:53,388 --> 00:30:56,088 We've got a bunch of people making comments 682 00:30:56,088 --> 00:30:59,928 and we don't have the other side making any comment. 683 00:30:59,928 --> 00:31:00,761 Have a seat. 684 00:31:00,761 --> 00:31:02,254 Yeah. 685 00:31:02,254 --> 00:31:03,787 Sorry, who are you? 686 00:31:03,787 --> 00:31:04,827 My name's Joe. 687 00:31:04,827 --> 00:31:09,869 We're making a film on pig welfare, CO2, have mentioned. 688 00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:13,668 Are you filming with that camera at the moment? 689 00:31:13,668 --> 00:31:17,148 We wanna ask those who pride themselves on high-welfare 690 00:31:17,148 --> 00:31:20,088 and use gas chambers, why they use gas chambers, 691 00:31:20,088 --> 00:31:21,547 why they use CO2? 692 00:31:21,547 --> 00:31:25,635 Well, I think it's fairly well documented 693 00:31:25,635 --> 00:31:30,228 that it's one of the humane methods of slaughter? 694 00:31:30,228 --> 00:31:31,938 Well, it's humane slaughter. 695 00:31:31,938 --> 00:31:34,368 But actually, we're all working from home, 696 00:31:34,368 --> 00:31:38,388 so unfortunately, there isn't anybody in the office. 697 00:31:38,388 --> 00:31:42,378 So yeah, well, they actually tried to get us in touch 698 00:31:42,378 --> 00:31:45,998 with the Farm Animal Welfare Council but when we reached out 699 00:31:45,998 --> 00:31:47,688 to you guys for an interview. 700 00:31:47,688 --> 00:31:50,470 So clearly we said thousand in 2003. 701 00:31:51,413 --> 00:31:54,408 But the Farm Animal Welfare Council, they actually called 702 00:31:54,408 --> 00:31:57,468 for a ban of CO2 gas chambers back in 2003. 703 00:31:57,468 --> 00:31:59,410 I hadn't been aware. 704 00:32:00,612 --> 00:32:03,888 We declined to give a comment. 705 00:32:03,888 --> 00:32:04,721 Why is that? 706 00:32:04,721 --> 00:32:06,378 But we really wanna ask you 707 00:32:06,378 --> 00:32:09,505 because you only use gas chambers here. 708 00:32:09,505 --> 00:32:10,398 Yep. 709 00:32:10,398 --> 00:32:12,525 And you're predominantly pigs. 710 00:32:12,525 --> 00:32:13,358 And I think 711 00:32:13,358 --> 00:32:15,828 it's widely accepted that gas stunning 712 00:32:15,828 --> 00:32:20,870 is currently the most humane way of stunning animals. 713 00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:23,995 Again humane slaughter. 714 00:32:23,995 --> 00:32:25,228 And I know 715 00:32:25,228 --> 00:32:27,588 that there's a huge amount of research 716 00:32:27,588 --> 00:32:30,498 going into alternative methods at the moment. 717 00:32:30,498 --> 00:32:34,338 When you say it's the most humane method currently, 718 00:32:34,338 --> 00:32:36,213 but you're looking for alternatives, 719 00:32:37,170 --> 00:32:38,748 why are you still killing pigs 720 00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:40,838 if you know that that method is cruel? 721 00:32:40,838 --> 00:32:42,288 We told you we're making a documentary 722 00:32:42,288 --> 00:32:44,148 so there's no suspicion of us being a threat. 723 00:32:44,148 --> 00:32:45,528 There's no crime being committed. 724 00:32:45,528 --> 00:32:47,238 She looks like who works there, hey? 725 00:32:47,238 --> 00:32:50,568 But it turns out that the way that DEFRA greeted us 726 00:32:50,568 --> 00:32:52,555 was with armed police. 727 00:32:52,555 --> 00:32:53,898 But essentially, if we suspect you 728 00:32:53,898 --> 00:32:55,215 of suspicious behavior, which I'm being honest. 729 00:32:55,215 --> 00:32:57,138 But we told 'em we're filming a documentary, 730 00:32:57,138 --> 00:32:59,242 they do legislation for the meat industry. 731 00:32:59,242 --> 00:33:00,075 Oh okay. 732 00:33:00,075 --> 00:33:00,908 So we're investigating the meat industry. 733 00:33:00,908 --> 00:33:01,741 Yeah. 734 00:33:01,741 --> 00:33:02,924 We went to Defra see if anyone would come out 735 00:33:02,924 --> 00:33:05,958 'cause we tried to email them, call them. 736 00:33:05,958 --> 00:33:07,578 So we thought we're in the area. 737 00:33:07,578 --> 00:33:09,658 We'll go film a scene out the front of there. 738 00:33:09,658 --> 00:33:10,491 Yeah. 739 00:33:10,491 --> 00:33:12,438 They told the police that we were trying to encroach 740 00:33:12,438 --> 00:33:15,228 on the building so they lied to the police. 741 00:33:15,228 --> 00:33:16,188 We had nothing to hide. 742 00:33:16,188 --> 00:33:17,358 We showed 'em the footage. 743 00:33:17,358 --> 00:33:19,698 We're just there to do an interview basically. 744 00:33:19,698 --> 00:33:21,648 Yeah, the police were just really nice. 745 00:33:21,648 --> 00:33:24,643 But wish I could say the same for Defra. 746 00:33:24,643 --> 00:33:25,476 Take care. 747 00:33:25,476 --> 00:33:26,309 Take care, mate. 748 00:33:26,309 --> 00:33:27,142 No worries, mate. 749 00:33:27,142 --> 00:33:27,975 Enjoy your late lunch. 750 00:33:27,975 --> 00:33:28,808 Thank you, mate. 751 00:33:28,808 --> 00:33:29,641 Appreciate it. 752 00:33:29,641 --> 00:33:30,474 See you, buddy. 753 00:33:30,474 --> 00:33:31,908 The following week we did get a written response from Defra. 754 00:33:31,908 --> 00:33:34,188 We are committed to ensuring all animals are treated 755 00:33:34,188 --> 00:33:37,338 with the utmost respect at all stages of life. 756 00:33:37,338 --> 00:33:40,158 However, the government recognizes that high concentrations 757 00:33:40,158 --> 00:33:43,008 of carbon dioxide are aversive to pigs. 758 00:33:43,008 --> 00:33:44,448 And alternative stunning methods 759 00:33:44,448 --> 00:33:46,758 that can replace this in a commercial environment 760 00:33:46,758 --> 00:33:47,928 need to be found. 761 00:33:47,928 --> 00:33:50,538 So this was the UK government telling me 762 00:33:50,538 --> 00:33:53,763 that they treat animals with the utmost respect. 763 00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:57,978 How is it respectful to put these conscious, 764 00:33:57,978 --> 00:34:00,678 intelligent beings in a CO2 gas chamber 765 00:34:00,678 --> 00:34:02,568 that they know scientifically 766 00:34:02,568 --> 00:34:05,088 causes them immense suffering and fear? 767 00:34:05,088 --> 00:34:08,178 How on earth is that respect? 768 00:34:08,178 --> 00:34:09,588 They also mentioned the classic line 769 00:34:09,588 --> 00:34:11,403 about UK farming industry. 770 00:34:12,397 --> 00:34:14,268 "The government has a strong track record 771 00:34:14,268 --> 00:34:17,208 for raising the bar when it comes to welfare measures." 772 00:34:17,208 --> 00:34:19,188 This messaging is repeated over and over 773 00:34:19,188 --> 00:34:20,538 by industry spokespeople 774 00:34:20,538 --> 00:34:22,308 until it sinks into the minds of the public. 775 00:34:22,308 --> 00:34:25,608 When you think of UK farming, like what comes to mind? 776 00:34:25,608 --> 00:34:26,898 Free-range farms and everything like that. 777 00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:29,388 So pretty good on the most parts of things. 778 00:34:29,388 --> 00:34:31,639 So UK is some of the highest standards in the world maybe? 779 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:32,658 I would say so for sure. 780 00:34:32,658 --> 00:34:33,768 Yeah. 781 00:34:33,768 --> 00:34:34,938 When you're in Tesco, you ever see green grass 782 00:34:34,938 --> 00:34:37,188 and the animals in the grass and stuff like that? 783 00:34:37,188 --> 00:34:38,351 Yeah. 784 00:34:38,351 --> 00:34:39,184 And what does that tell you? 785 00:34:39,184 --> 00:34:40,017 Gives it a good picture. 786 00:34:40,017 --> 00:34:43,608 Mr. Speaker, The conservatives were elected on a manifesto 787 00:34:43,608 --> 00:34:47,327 with commitments on animal welfare and the environment. 788 00:34:47,327 --> 00:34:49,716 And so some of the highest animal welfare standards 789 00:34:49,716 --> 00:34:50,549 in the world. 790 00:34:50,549 --> 00:34:53,418 Not only will we protect animal welfare standards. 791 00:34:53,418 --> 00:34:55,908 The UK has the highest animal welfare standards. 792 00:34:55,908 --> 00:34:57,708 And we are committing to maintaining 793 00:34:57,708 --> 00:34:59,898 our high standards on animal animal welfare. 794 00:34:59,898 --> 00:35:03,408 We will be able to increase our animal welfare standards. 795 00:35:03,408 --> 00:35:05,898 That will mean that Britain sets the gold standard 796 00:35:05,898 --> 00:35:09,018 for animal welfare and for protection of animals overall. 797 00:35:09,018 --> 00:35:10,878 We will not compromise on animal welfare. 798 00:35:10,878 --> 00:35:15,048 That means that if anyone abuses animals in their care 799 00:35:15,048 --> 00:35:16,908 or is cruel to another animal, 800 00:35:16,908 --> 00:35:19,848 then they can face up to five years in jail. 801 00:35:19,848 --> 00:35:21,498 So the phrase the UK has some 802 00:35:21,498 --> 00:35:24,258 of the highest welfare standards in the world, 803 00:35:24,258 --> 00:35:25,398 it's something you'll hear a lot. 804 00:35:25,398 --> 00:35:27,338 And one of the biggest perpetrators 805 00:35:27,338 --> 00:35:29,358 of this propaganda from the industry 806 00:35:29,358 --> 00:35:32,028 are a group called Red Tractor. 807 00:35:32,028 --> 00:35:33,888 So just by looking for the Red Tractor, 808 00:35:33,888 --> 00:35:36,168 you can see that it was produced to British standards 809 00:35:36,168 --> 00:35:37,488 and is British food. 810 00:35:37,488 --> 00:35:39,348 All Red Tractor animals are treated 811 00:35:39,348 --> 00:35:41,808 with compassion and have everything they need 812 00:35:41,808 --> 00:35:43,098 for a good quality of life. 813 00:35:43,098 --> 00:35:43,931 For peace of mind 814 00:35:43,931 --> 00:35:45,460 about what goes on your table 815 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:49,638 when you shop, just look for the Red Tractor label. 816 00:35:49,638 --> 00:35:51,678 At this point, Red Tractor are a joke. 817 00:35:51,678 --> 00:35:54,198 They've been exposed that many times 818 00:35:54,198 --> 00:35:56,328 that I can't believe they still exist. 819 00:35:56,328 --> 00:35:58,608 But it's almost like they get exposed. 820 00:35:58,608 --> 00:35:59,778 They're all over the newspapers 821 00:35:59,778 --> 00:36:03,708 for being incredibly egregiously cruel to animals. 822 00:36:03,708 --> 00:36:06,888 And Red Tractor put out some PR spiel going, 823 00:36:06,888 --> 00:36:08,958 oh, you know, we care about animal welfare, 824 00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:11,538 we take it very seriously and then it just goes away 825 00:36:11,538 --> 00:36:12,678 and people forget about it. 826 00:36:12,678 --> 00:36:14,178 But at this point, Red Tractor 827 00:36:14,178 --> 00:36:17,793 are like a really low benchmark for animal welfare actually. 828 00:36:22,968 --> 00:36:25,218 I believe this is the offices here. 829 00:36:25,218 --> 00:36:27,048 There's another one that says feeding ignorance, 830 00:36:27,048 --> 00:36:28,398 which is true. 831 00:36:28,398 --> 00:36:29,808 Red Tractor feed ignorance 832 00:36:29,808 --> 00:36:31,428 because no one ever looks into it. 833 00:36:31,428 --> 00:36:34,278 So many exposes of Red Tractor farms 834 00:36:34,278 --> 00:36:37,398 have come from an organization called Viva!, 835 00:36:37,398 --> 00:36:39,798 founded by Juliet Gellatley. 836 00:36:39,798 --> 00:36:42,288 My degree is in zoology. 837 00:36:42,288 --> 00:36:47,330 And I have been studying the impacts of farming on animals 838 00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:51,618 and the wider impacts for a few decades. 839 00:36:51,618 --> 00:36:55,548 Red Tractor is set up by farming groups. 840 00:36:55,548 --> 00:36:58,518 Its guarantors are people like the National Farmers Union, 841 00:36:58,518 --> 00:36:59,838 Dairy UK. 842 00:36:59,838 --> 00:37:02,808 It is set up by farmers, for farmers. 843 00:37:02,808 --> 00:37:05,373 There is no independent scrutiny. 844 00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:10,788 Around 95% of UK pigs are Red Tractor assured 845 00:37:10,788 --> 00:37:12,888 In the industry, essentially, self-policing. 846 00:37:12,888 --> 00:37:14,688 You don't have a government oversight, 847 00:37:14,688 --> 00:37:17,718 you don't have any independent body going in there 848 00:37:17,718 --> 00:37:20,958 that is solely focused on the welfare of animals. 849 00:37:20,958 --> 00:37:24,588 They are all schemes to market products essentially. 850 00:37:24,588 --> 00:37:27,768 And pretty much every supermarket uses Red Tractor 851 00:37:27,768 --> 00:37:29,658 as a way of saying to the public, 852 00:37:29,658 --> 00:37:31,968 hey, this meat has come from an animal 853 00:37:31,968 --> 00:37:34,158 that's being kept in high-welfare conditions. 854 00:37:34,158 --> 00:37:34,991 And guess what? 855 00:37:34,991 --> 00:37:37,294 It's British so it must be good. 856 00:37:38,127 --> 00:37:43,169 They really need somebody who knows about pigs, 857 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:46,338 cares about welfare, isn't financially invested 858 00:37:46,338 --> 00:37:50,643 in any of it just to be rocking up on farms without notice. 859 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,855 Yeah. 860 00:37:56,855 --> 00:37:58,248 So I did some undercover work during the making of the film 861 00:37:58,248 --> 00:38:00,978 and I've visited a Red Tractor-approved pig farm 862 00:38:00,978 --> 00:38:02,133 multiple times. 863 00:38:03,870 --> 00:38:05,748 From the farms that I've seen myself, 864 00:38:05,748 --> 00:38:07,068 which are many across the UK. 865 00:38:07,068 --> 00:38:07,998 Viva! must have filmed 866 00:38:07,998 --> 00:38:10,788 in maybe a hundred different pig farms. 867 00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:14,688 The legal requirements for farmed animals in the UK 868 00:38:14,688 --> 00:38:16,503 is appallingly low. 869 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:18,318 Yeah, Phoenix the hedgehog. 870 00:38:18,318 --> 00:38:19,520 Copy that. 871 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,386 We're gonna make our way over now. 872 00:38:25,398 --> 00:38:28,398 I usually have a backup team with me just in case 873 00:38:28,398 --> 00:38:30,288 an irate farmer comes out with a shotgun 874 00:38:30,288 --> 00:38:33,288 'cause you never know when you are actually trespassing 875 00:38:33,288 --> 00:38:34,173 on these farms. 876 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,823 Check this out, she's just given birth. 877 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,410 There's umbilical cord, dead piglets after birth everywhere 878 00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:48,408 and there's a piglet here having some type of seizure. 879 00:38:48,408 --> 00:38:51,888 It looks like the mother's about to birth more piglets. 880 00:38:51,888 --> 00:38:56,930 These poor, poor, intelligent feeling beings. 881 00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:59,868 What does it say about us as a species 882 00:38:59,868 --> 00:39:01,668 that we can do this to motherhood. 883 00:39:01,668 --> 00:39:05,293 It's supposed to be a time of celebration and joy. 884 00:39:05,293 --> 00:39:08,628 This is actually a dead piglet inside of a sack. 885 00:39:08,628 --> 00:39:12,078 Pigs that are pregnant I have seen in a sanctuary. 886 00:39:12,078 --> 00:39:12,978 And they go along 887 00:39:12,978 --> 00:39:15,048 collecting all these different nesting materials 888 00:39:15,048 --> 00:39:17,058 and the other pigs in their family help them. 889 00:39:17,058 --> 00:39:21,303 You can sense that excitement and that joy at the prospect. 890 00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:25,908 And we've just degraded it into something 891 00:39:25,908 --> 00:39:29,208 that's there to make money for people. 892 00:39:29,208 --> 00:39:30,228 Look at her. 893 00:39:30,228 --> 00:39:32,928 They can never do their nesting behavior. 894 00:39:32,928 --> 00:39:35,688 They've got nothing to actually build the materials with. 895 00:39:35,688 --> 00:39:39,798 And then they're giving birth into feces often. 896 00:39:39,798 --> 00:39:41,508 This little baby is still moving 897 00:39:41,508 --> 00:39:44,478 and her siblings that are stepping all over her. 898 00:39:44,478 --> 00:39:47,658 The bars prevent them from doing basic mothering 899 00:39:47,658 --> 00:39:49,128 to their own babies. 900 00:39:49,128 --> 00:39:51,738 And again and again, in pretty much every farm 901 00:39:51,738 --> 00:39:53,388 I've ever filmed in, you will see the dead 902 00:39:53,388 --> 00:39:55,188 left with the living. 903 00:39:55,188 --> 00:39:57,003 Poor darling, look. 904 00:39:59,670 --> 00:40:01,203 They are shown no compassion. 905 00:40:02,100 --> 00:40:04,578 They are left there to give birth all night. 906 00:40:04,578 --> 00:40:06,408 There was no carer there. 907 00:40:06,408 --> 00:40:09,318 I was in there for three hours and no one came. 908 00:40:09,318 --> 00:40:11,508 So these piglets are there suffering 909 00:40:11,508 --> 00:40:14,508 in this horrible factory farm. 910 00:40:14,508 --> 00:40:17,058 And then their babies are taken away at just three 911 00:40:17,058 --> 00:40:20,295 to four weeks old, where they're given nothing. 912 00:40:20,295 --> 00:40:21,558 And I mean nothing. 913 00:40:21,558 --> 00:40:22,998 They never see sunshine, 914 00:40:22,998 --> 00:40:25,518 they never feel the rain on their back, they never play. 915 00:40:25,518 --> 00:40:27,408 Play's really important to pigs. 916 00:40:27,408 --> 00:40:29,688 And they cannot develop normally without it. 917 00:40:29,688 --> 00:40:32,118 And so it develops aggression and lots of problems 918 00:40:32,118 --> 00:40:34,038 that go with that. 919 00:40:34,038 --> 00:40:36,787 And by six months old, they're sent to slaughter 920 00:40:36,787 --> 00:40:39,738 and that is all, that's what the human race gives to them. 921 00:40:39,738 --> 00:40:41,538 Around 11 million pigs are slaughtered 922 00:40:41,538 --> 00:40:43,458 in the UK each year. 923 00:40:43,458 --> 00:40:46,698 On top of that, if you work back with the mortality rates, 924 00:40:46,698 --> 00:40:49,398 there will be 2 million pigs that don't make it 925 00:40:49,398 --> 00:40:53,418 from birth to slaughter at five or six months old. 926 00:40:53,418 --> 00:40:56,628 And here's the last one, more after birth, 927 00:40:56,628 --> 00:41:01,248 piglets, suffered mother, abomination. 928 00:41:01,248 --> 00:41:02,508 And for the mothers themselves, 929 00:41:02,508 --> 00:41:06,498 imagine the psychological impact of repeatedly 930 00:41:06,498 --> 00:41:08,178 having your babies taken away. 931 00:41:08,178 --> 00:41:10,248 So remember, these are one of the most intelligent animals 932 00:41:10,248 --> 00:41:11,118 on the planet. 933 00:41:11,118 --> 00:41:13,908 They know they're going through the whole process again, 934 00:41:13,908 --> 00:41:15,798 and that they're gonna be put in a cage again, 935 00:41:15,798 --> 00:41:19,278 and they're gonna have their babies taken away again. 936 00:41:19,278 --> 00:41:21,948 And that is the repeated life 937 00:41:21,948 --> 00:41:24,438 of a factory-farmed mother pig. 938 00:41:24,438 --> 00:41:26,748 And is she rewarded at the end of it. 939 00:41:26,748 --> 00:41:27,581 No. 940 00:41:27,581 --> 00:41:29,118 When she gets to four to five years old, 941 00:41:29,118 --> 00:41:32,118 so the number of piglets she produces starts to fall, 942 00:41:32,118 --> 00:41:35,163 she's then slaughtered for cheap meat. 943 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,448 You look at the face of the mothers and it is heartbreaking. 944 00:41:41,448 --> 00:41:45,918 We should be ashamed that we are still doing this, 945 00:41:45,918 --> 00:41:49,616 civilized society today that should know better. 946 00:41:49,616 --> 00:41:52,189 And this is the norm. 947 00:41:52,189 --> 00:41:53,833 My God. 948 00:41:53,833 --> 00:41:54,666 Yeah. 949 00:41:54,666 --> 00:41:55,499 So I went into another shed 950 00:41:55,499 --> 00:41:57,198 and the piglets were a little bit older, 951 00:41:57,198 --> 00:41:58,968 they were more like little toddlers at that stage, 952 00:41:58,968 --> 00:42:00,438 cute little puppy dogs. 953 00:42:00,438 --> 00:42:02,208 And I was looking down at their little beady eyes 954 00:42:02,208 --> 00:42:04,953 looking up at me and they just looked so adorable. 955 00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:10,188 And I just thought about the fate that awaited them 956 00:42:10,188 --> 00:42:13,038 and it started to make me feel really sick actually. 957 00:42:13,038 --> 00:42:15,513 So I had another plan. 958 00:42:18,990 --> 00:42:21,348 Rescuing pigs isn't straightforward, 959 00:42:21,348 --> 00:42:23,913 their experiences with humans haven't been good. 960 00:42:26,898 --> 00:42:30,093 I had to pick up a pig and the piglet was screaming. 961 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:36,139 It's okay. 962 00:42:36,139 --> 00:42:41,181 So I had to comfort this piglet and just like a little baby, 963 00:42:41,610 --> 00:42:44,283 they calmed down and then I put them in the bag. 964 00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:56,478 I didn't want to just rescue one pig 965 00:42:56,478 --> 00:42:58,248 because they need a companion. 966 00:42:58,248 --> 00:43:00,168 And I didn't want 'em to be scared or sad. 967 00:43:00,168 --> 00:43:01,610 So I had to get another one. 968 00:43:04,758 --> 00:43:07,038 Again, I reached down to grab another one 969 00:43:07,038 --> 00:43:10,030 and had to calm the other one down and put them in the bag. 970 00:43:15,618 --> 00:43:18,948 But then what you notice is there's hundreds 971 00:43:18,948 --> 00:43:20,148 of other piglets in there. 972 00:43:20,148 --> 00:43:23,418 And the bittersweet part about rescuing animals 973 00:43:23,418 --> 00:43:25,038 is you can't rescue them all. 974 00:43:25,038 --> 00:43:30,080 So it's a reality check that most of those animals 975 00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:32,268 won't make it out alive 976 00:43:32,268 --> 00:43:34,260 and they'll have to continue to suffer. 977 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,763 It's okay, babies, freedom. 978 00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:00,023 Beautiful. 979 00:44:02,121 --> 00:44:04,873 And they won't have to go to the gas chamber. 980 00:44:04,873 --> 00:44:09,915 So two survivors. 981 00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:18,828 So in the UK, there are charities set up specifically 982 00:44:18,828 --> 00:44:20,778 to prevent cruelty to animals. 983 00:44:20,778 --> 00:44:22,428 And why weren't more of 'em speaking out 984 00:44:22,428 --> 00:44:25,728 against the use of CO2, particularly the world's oldest 985 00:44:25,728 --> 00:44:28,638 and largest animal welfare charity, the RSPCA, 986 00:44:28,638 --> 00:44:32,328 the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. 987 00:44:32,328 --> 00:44:36,678 And they had Queen Elizabeth, as their patron. 988 00:44:36,678 --> 00:44:39,498 Legislation will also be brought forward 989 00:44:39,498 --> 00:44:42,948 to ensure the United Kingdom has and promotes 990 00:44:42,948 --> 00:44:45,408 the highest standards of animal welfare. 991 00:44:45,408 --> 00:44:47,658 The high-welfare rhetoric is so ingrained, 992 00:44:47,658 --> 00:44:49,998 even the queen herself used it in parliament. 993 00:44:49,998 --> 00:44:51,078 What's the RSPCA? 994 00:44:51,078 --> 00:44:53,598 It's the Royal Society for the Protection of Animals. 995 00:44:53,598 --> 00:44:55,518 Who are the RSPCA? 996 00:44:55,518 --> 00:44:57,588 Are they like the police for animals or is that? 997 00:44:57,588 --> 00:44:58,458 Yeah, that's close. 998 00:44:58,458 --> 00:44:59,970 That's close. 999 00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:00,803 Animal protection services. 1000 00:45:00,803 --> 00:45:02,088 Yeah, go on. 1001 00:45:02,088 --> 00:45:02,921 Okay. 1002 00:45:02,921 --> 00:45:05,778 The RSPCA is set up to protect animals, 1003 00:45:05,778 --> 00:45:08,432 to prevent cruelty to animals. 1004 00:45:08,432 --> 00:45:11,058 ♪ Love, sweet love. ♪ 1005 00:45:11,058 --> 00:45:12,798 And when people think of the RSPCA, 1006 00:45:12,798 --> 00:45:14,838 they think, oh, they look after dogs and cats. 1007 00:45:14,838 --> 00:45:16,275 They rescue dogs and cats, 1008 00:45:16,275 --> 00:45:19,248 and you might see them looking after a starving horse. 1009 00:45:19,248 --> 00:45:20,298 So when they think of the RSPCA, they think, 1010 00:45:20,298 --> 00:45:22,548 oh, well they take care of animals. 1011 00:45:22,548 --> 00:45:24,288 Specific animals. 1012 00:45:24,288 --> 00:45:26,658 Do you know much about the RSPCA? 1013 00:45:26,658 --> 00:45:30,148 Quite a bit because I do support them. 1014 00:45:30,148 --> 00:45:31,878 I do send them money. 1015 00:45:31,878 --> 00:45:32,711 Send them money? 1016 00:45:32,711 --> 00:45:35,598 Because they do, I think they do a brilliant job 1017 00:45:35,598 --> 00:45:38,178 with lost animals and animals 1018 00:45:38,178 --> 00:45:40,141 that haven't been very well treated. 1019 00:45:40,141 --> 00:45:42,678 Yeah, like dogs, and cats, and horses. 1020 00:45:42,678 --> 00:45:43,931 Yeah, any. 1021 00:45:43,931 --> 00:45:44,764 Our cats came from them. 1022 00:45:44,764 --> 00:45:45,597 Oh really? 1023 00:45:45,597 --> 00:45:46,818 When their name goes on something, 1024 00:45:46,818 --> 00:45:49,668 there's an automatic assumption 1025 00:45:49,668 --> 00:45:52,548 that it's high-welfare in some kind of way. 1026 00:45:52,548 --> 00:45:55,098 And so they're manipulating the public's perception 1027 00:45:55,098 --> 00:45:57,198 of what it is that they're buying. 1028 00:45:57,198 --> 00:46:00,138 Outdoor bred pork RSPCA Assured. 1029 00:46:00,138 --> 00:46:03,093 More pork, RSPCA Assured. 1030 00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:05,898 RSPCA Assured. 1031 00:46:05,898 --> 00:46:06,731 And what would it tell you? 1032 00:46:06,731 --> 00:46:07,564 What would the logo tell you? 1033 00:46:07,564 --> 00:46:09,048 I just hope that it would mean 1034 00:46:09,048 --> 00:46:12,018 that the animal has been treated in a better condition, 1035 00:46:12,018 --> 00:46:14,523 had a better life in comparison to the other option. 1036 00:46:14,523 --> 00:46:15,356 Okay. 1037 00:46:15,356 --> 00:46:17,179 Well, you'd think that the animals 1038 00:46:17,179 --> 00:46:18,726 have been better looked after. 1039 00:46:18,726 --> 00:46:20,177 They've not been mistreated, 1040 00:46:20,177 --> 00:46:21,532 they've not been cruelly treated. 1041 00:46:21,532 --> 00:46:22,365 Okay. 1042 00:46:22,365 --> 00:46:23,198 I don't know. 1043 00:46:23,198 --> 00:46:25,155 'Cause RSPPCA are people that protect animals, 1044 00:46:25,155 --> 00:46:28,158 but if that was on, if it was on the meat 1045 00:46:28,158 --> 00:46:29,598 then how's that fair? 1046 00:46:29,598 --> 00:46:31,248 'Cause you're killing that animal then. 1047 00:46:31,248 --> 00:46:33,198 Well, that's taking an animal's life, innit? 1048 00:46:33,198 --> 00:46:34,590 Oh, that's made me think a little bit. 1049 00:46:34,590 --> 00:46:35,423 Okay, go on. 1050 00:46:35,423 --> 00:46:36,256 Okay. 1051 00:46:36,256 --> 00:46:38,088 No, well, I'm not even trying here, you're going there. 1052 00:46:38,088 --> 00:46:41,568 So when it comes to discriminating between species 1053 00:46:41,568 --> 00:46:44,898 of animals, like a dog should be valued 1054 00:46:44,898 --> 00:46:47,208 and the pig should be on a plate. 1055 00:46:47,208 --> 00:46:49,668 The RSPCA are a big culprit here. 1056 00:46:49,668 --> 00:46:52,038 They sort of perpetuate how you treat a dog differently 1057 00:46:52,038 --> 00:46:52,871 as you treat a pig. 1058 00:46:52,871 --> 00:46:54,439 Why wouldn't you eat the dog meat? 1059 00:46:54,439 --> 00:46:55,272 Tell me. 1060 00:46:55,272 --> 00:46:56,568 Because I've never had a dog. 1061 00:46:56,568 --> 00:46:57,528 But I really like dogs. 1062 00:46:57,528 --> 00:47:00,678 I'm sure if I'd spent loads of time with pigs in my life 1063 00:47:00,678 --> 00:47:02,207 and I knew loads of people with pet pigs 1064 00:47:02,207 --> 00:47:03,228 that I thought were really cute, 1065 00:47:03,228 --> 00:47:06,213 then I'd have more of a thing against eating pigs. 1066 00:47:11,388 --> 00:47:13,458 So the closest most people come to pigs 1067 00:47:13,458 --> 00:47:15,798 is when they see them in the supermarket chopped up 1068 00:47:15,798 --> 00:47:18,138 and wrapped in cellophane on the shelf. 1069 00:47:18,138 --> 00:47:19,878 Most people haven't gone to a sanctuary 1070 00:47:19,878 --> 00:47:21,258 and connected with a pig. 1071 00:47:21,258 --> 00:47:23,178 Most people have never been inside a factory farm 1072 00:47:23,178 --> 00:47:25,308 and connected with a pig or connected with a pig 1073 00:47:25,308 --> 00:47:27,438 on a truck outside of a slaughterhouse. 1074 00:47:27,438 --> 00:47:30,768 So if that's the closest people have come to pigs, 1075 00:47:30,768 --> 00:47:33,768 you can see how they'd have this level of disconnect 1076 00:47:33,768 --> 00:47:37,998 and how they would just see pigs as food. 1077 00:47:37,998 --> 00:47:40,278 They all have different expressions. 1078 00:47:40,278 --> 00:47:42,918 Some are more scared than the others, 1079 00:47:42,918 --> 00:47:47,868 some are more curious, some just look tired and relaxed. 1080 00:47:47,868 --> 00:47:51,618 Others just look terrified and worried. 1081 00:47:51,618 --> 00:47:54,528 They all have different faces and personalities. 1082 00:47:54,528 --> 00:47:56,538 For me and another activist who have been out the front 1083 00:47:56,538 --> 00:47:59,388 of slaughterhouses looking into the eyes of these animals 1084 00:47:59,388 --> 00:48:01,848 who have been inside farms and witnessing their suffering 1085 00:48:01,848 --> 00:48:04,938 and been on sanctuaries and seeing their behavior, 1086 00:48:04,938 --> 00:48:07,398 and how playful and curious they are, just like dogs. 1087 00:48:07,398 --> 00:48:08,418 It's impossible for us 1088 00:48:08,418 --> 00:48:11,193 to see these sentient conscious creatures as food. 1089 00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:20,505 We are born into this world 1090 00:48:20,505 --> 00:48:22,068 and we learn everything about the world. 1091 00:48:22,068 --> 00:48:25,158 We learn about plants, and about colors, 1092 00:48:25,158 --> 00:48:27,498 and about the way the world works, 1093 00:48:27,498 --> 00:48:30,048 and we learn about animals too. 1094 00:48:30,048 --> 00:48:32,568 But as children, we really care about all animals. 1095 00:48:32,568 --> 00:48:34,788 But we're always taught that the dogs and cats at home 1096 00:48:34,788 --> 00:48:37,668 are to be loved, and cared for, and cherished. 1097 00:48:37,668 --> 00:48:39,858 But the pigs, and the cows, and the chickens 1098 00:48:39,858 --> 00:48:41,718 are to be chopped up and put on our plate. 1099 00:48:41,718 --> 00:48:43,488 'Cause when they look down at their plate, what do they see? 1100 00:48:43,488 --> 00:48:48,138 They see chicken or they see a fish finger or they see ham 1101 00:48:48,138 --> 00:48:51,768 and there might be a picture of a pig on that packet of ham. 1102 00:48:51,768 --> 00:48:56,418 And as we grow up, society confirms that to us, 1103 00:48:56,418 --> 00:48:59,587 advertising we see fish fingers, and burgers, 1104 00:48:59,587 --> 00:49:03,348 and they are discriminating between these animals 1105 00:49:03,348 --> 00:49:04,698 based on species. 1106 00:49:04,698 --> 00:49:07,728 And these aren't morally relevant differences. 1107 00:49:07,728 --> 00:49:11,178 What's morally relevant are the fact that both these animals 1108 00:49:11,178 --> 00:49:14,718 are conscious beings who don't want to die. 1109 00:49:14,718 --> 00:49:17,538 That's why they both deserve equal treatment. 1110 00:49:17,538 --> 00:49:19,330 But that's not the case in society. 1111 00:49:24,708 --> 00:49:28,398 Pigs are naturally very inquisitive animals 1112 00:49:28,398 --> 00:49:31,818 and I mean they're incredibly intelligent animals 1113 00:49:31,818 --> 00:49:35,658 and they can see what's happening, smell, feel. 1114 00:49:35,658 --> 00:49:40,248 They are very social and they are easy to train. 1115 00:49:40,248 --> 00:49:42,138 Exactly the same as dogs. 1116 00:49:42,138 --> 00:49:45,378 There's a lot of evidence for how complex the behavior 1117 00:49:45,378 --> 00:49:47,388 and the learning ability of pigs is. 1118 00:49:47,388 --> 00:49:51,048 And one of the things which we did was to see 1119 00:49:51,048 --> 00:49:54,018 whether they could learn what you see in a mirror 1120 00:49:54,018 --> 00:49:56,898 and they learn what is in a mirror is over here 1121 00:49:56,898 --> 00:49:58,068 and not over there. 1122 00:49:58,068 --> 00:50:00,168 And they use the information 1123 00:50:00,168 --> 00:50:02,538 and in fact, there's only a limited number of animals 1124 00:50:02,538 --> 00:50:04,548 where that has been demonstrated. 1125 00:50:04,548 --> 00:50:06,744 This is hamlet. 1126 00:50:08,388 --> 00:50:10,638 He's amazed animal psychologists, 1127 00:50:10,638 --> 00:50:14,328 by learning a computer game designed for chimpanzees, 1128 00:50:14,328 --> 00:50:17,148 Hamlet has to move the cursor into the blue area 1129 00:50:17,148 --> 00:50:18,738 around the screen. 1130 00:50:18,738 --> 00:50:21,318 When he does, he gets a sweet. 1131 00:50:21,318 --> 00:50:24,618 The scientists make it progressively harder for Hamlet, 1132 00:50:24,618 --> 00:50:26,122 yet he succeeds every time. 1133 00:50:26,122 --> 00:50:27,138 Oh, good boy, that was good. 1134 00:50:27,138 --> 00:50:31,608 Pigs have been shown in studies to have the intelligence, 1135 00:50:31,608 --> 00:50:35,508 the cognitive capacity of a 4-year-old human. 1136 00:50:35,508 --> 00:50:38,358 They outstrip dogs in a lot of tests. 1137 00:50:38,358 --> 00:50:41,598 We've seen pigs painting pictures on the internet 1138 00:50:41,598 --> 00:50:44,868 and doing puzzles that you would expect a child 1139 00:50:44,868 --> 00:50:47,898 to struggle with and they're doing it with ease. 1140 00:50:47,898 --> 00:50:49,878 You can train them to do a lot of things 1141 00:50:49,878 --> 00:50:51,558 at least as well as dogs can. 1142 00:50:51,558 --> 00:50:53,688 I'm doing a PhD here at the department 1143 00:50:53,688 --> 00:50:57,078 and specifically, we compare how dogs and pigs 1144 00:50:57,078 --> 00:50:58,668 communicate with humans. 1145 00:50:58,668 --> 00:50:59,808 And you might think why pigs, 1146 00:50:59,808 --> 00:51:01,878 they are like super different from dogs. 1147 00:51:01,878 --> 00:51:06,588 But interestingly, they shared common things with dogs 1148 00:51:06,588 --> 00:51:10,083 that make them perfect for our comparative research. 1149 00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,958 What was very surprising for me, first of all, 1150 00:51:14,958 --> 00:51:19,008 is to discover that they can really adapt to a human family. 1151 00:51:19,008 --> 00:51:21,588 There is a tendency for people, for humans 1152 00:51:21,588 --> 00:51:23,838 to act as though no other species 1153 00:51:23,838 --> 00:51:25,338 has any significant ability 1154 00:51:25,338 --> 00:51:26,988 and that humans are enormously different. 1155 00:51:26,988 --> 00:51:30,018 But actually the more you look at other species, 1156 00:51:30,018 --> 00:51:32,448 you find that the similarities are far greater 1157 00:51:32,448 --> 00:51:33,948 than the differences. 1158 00:51:33,948 --> 00:51:36,318 And all the animals we keep as farm animals 1159 00:51:36,318 --> 00:51:40,278 or pets are really quite sophisticated. 1160 00:51:40,278 --> 00:51:43,518 So once people understand how smart pigs actually are, 1161 00:51:43,518 --> 00:51:46,158 they'll then begin to understand how aware they are 1162 00:51:46,158 --> 00:51:48,798 of when something bad is going to happen to them. 1163 00:51:48,798 --> 00:51:51,678 You look at them in a slaughterhouse situation, 1164 00:51:51,678 --> 00:51:53,268 they experience emotional contagion 1165 00:51:53,268 --> 00:51:55,128 so they can empathize with those around them. 1166 00:51:55,128 --> 00:51:59,388 So hearing those sounds, smelling what they're smelling, 1167 00:51:59,388 --> 00:52:04,008 and the fact that they are aware enough to kind of process 1168 00:52:04,008 --> 00:52:06,708 what might be happening there is really, 1169 00:52:06,708 --> 00:52:08,300 it's an awful thought, I think. 1170 00:52:12,660 --> 00:52:14,388 If I'm gonna sell you something, right, 1171 00:52:14,388 --> 00:52:16,008 and you'd feel guilty if you knew, 1172 00:52:16,008 --> 00:52:19,016 what would I say to you to make you buy it? 1173 00:52:19,016 --> 00:52:21,318 Stick a free-range label on there, 1174 00:52:21,318 --> 00:52:25,548 that probably would help the consumer willingness to pay 1175 00:52:25,548 --> 00:52:27,978 and willingness to continue buying that product. 1176 00:52:27,978 --> 00:52:29,208 If you like seeing some meat 1177 00:52:29,208 --> 00:52:31,878 and one said British-made bacon 1178 00:52:31,878 --> 00:52:34,518 and one said free-range, what would you choose? 1179 00:52:34,518 --> 00:52:35,351 Free-range. 1180 00:52:35,351 --> 00:52:36,184 Yeah, same. 1181 00:52:36,184 --> 00:52:40,308 I would feel probably better about a free-range label. 1182 00:52:40,308 --> 00:52:42,168 Free-range kind of gives me the idea that, yeah, 1183 00:52:42,168 --> 00:52:44,538 they've got more space to roam around. 1184 00:52:44,538 --> 00:52:47,208 A little bit more like open pasture, 1185 00:52:47,208 --> 00:52:49,810 a little bit more quality of life 1186 00:52:50,970 --> 00:52:52,698 before they get turned into bacon. 1187 00:52:52,698 --> 00:52:55,758 Companies tell us that it's all hunky dory 1188 00:52:55,758 --> 00:52:56,988 and everything's fine, 1189 00:52:56,988 --> 00:52:58,068 easily, they could be lying to us 1190 00:52:58,068 --> 00:53:00,048 and we could just eat it up. 1191 00:53:00,048 --> 00:53:03,288 The public perception of a free-range farm 1192 00:53:03,288 --> 00:53:04,968 would be what you see on the labels. 1193 00:53:04,968 --> 00:53:09,768 So a big stretch of field, lovely grass or plants 1194 00:53:09,768 --> 00:53:12,610 with all these little pigs running around quite happily. 1195 00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:15,675 I decided to go check out a free-range farm. 1196 00:53:15,675 --> 00:53:16,938 I'd never been to one before 1197 00:53:16,938 --> 00:53:20,208 and I wanted to go see for myself what it was like. 1198 00:53:20,208 --> 00:53:24,408 Approaching this free-range farm, it was idyllic. 1199 00:53:24,408 --> 00:53:26,328 The hills were rolling in green, 1200 00:53:26,328 --> 00:53:29,448 and you could see pigs from the highway playing, 1201 00:53:29,448 --> 00:53:30,858 and they had a lot more room. 1202 00:53:30,858 --> 00:53:35,853 It was a stark contrast from the factory farms I'd been to. 1203 00:53:37,230 --> 00:53:40,533 So basically, we kept driving till we found an entrance. 1204 00:53:49,410 --> 00:53:50,298 As we walked up. 1205 00:53:50,298 --> 00:53:53,718 I did not expect to see what we witnessed. 1206 00:53:53,718 --> 00:53:55,316 Oh god. 1207 00:53:57,289 --> 00:54:00,578 Oh no, oh God. 1208 00:54:02,271 --> 00:54:03,783 It's okay, sweetie. 1209 00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:06,723 She's cold and scared. 1210 00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:10,818 It's okay, darling. 1211 00:54:10,818 --> 00:54:13,323 This is absolutely shocking and sickening. 1212 00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:18,633 How long has this pig been here like this for? 1213 00:54:20,460 --> 00:54:23,148 This is gross animal neglect. 1214 00:54:23,148 --> 00:54:25,803 This is sickening animal cruelty. 1215 00:54:28,118 --> 00:54:28,951 It's okay. 1216 00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:36,360 Oh my god. 1217 00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:38,373 It stinks man. 1218 00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:44,510 This smells like dead bodies and rotten feces. 1219 00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:50,540 It's really, it's horrible here. 1220 00:54:50,540 --> 00:54:51,708 Oh my God. 1221 00:54:51,708 --> 00:54:52,623 The diarrhea. 1222 00:54:54,270 --> 00:54:56,193 Just diarrhea just squirting out. 1223 00:55:00,870 --> 00:55:03,170 Yeah, they've all got these hernias, man, hey. 1224 00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:13,698 She's got blood all over her. 1225 00:55:13,698 --> 00:55:16,068 It looks like there's blood here. 1226 00:55:16,068 --> 00:55:17,760 There's blood on this pig's face. 1227 00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:22,698 I felt helpless there. 1228 00:55:22,698 --> 00:55:25,368 To think that anyone could leave 1229 00:55:25,368 --> 00:55:26,868 animals suffering like that. 1230 00:55:26,868 --> 00:55:30,828 And you think like, what have they done to deserve that? 1231 00:55:30,828 --> 00:55:32,778 I've seen all of that before. 1232 00:55:32,778 --> 00:55:36,858 All the different manifestations of sick and dying pigs. 1233 00:55:36,858 --> 00:55:39,392 Incredibly common to see that. 1234 00:55:39,392 --> 00:55:41,448 The stench, pigs are coughing. 1235 00:55:41,448 --> 00:55:43,128 They've got like pneumonia or something. 1236 00:55:43,128 --> 00:55:44,270 They look really sick. 1237 00:55:48,738 --> 00:55:50,193 This baby is really sick. 1238 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,780 She's gasping and she's struggling to breathe. 1239 00:55:55,020 --> 00:55:55,853 It's okay. 1240 00:55:57,095 --> 00:55:58,045 It's okay, sweetie. 1241 00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:00,533 I know. 1242 00:56:01,631 --> 00:56:03,273 They were coughing and wheezing. 1243 00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:07,983 It was just heartbreaking these little pigs. 1244 00:56:09,450 --> 00:56:10,878 Little family being very protective 1245 00:56:10,878 --> 00:56:13,233 over this little sick piglet here, 1246 00:56:14,242 --> 00:56:15,753 you can see she's suffering. 1247 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,158 I think the RSPCA sold out years ago 1248 00:56:25,158 --> 00:56:26,838 where farmed animals are concerned. 1249 00:56:26,838 --> 00:56:29,178 They're not even taking court prosecutions now 1250 00:56:29,178 --> 00:56:30,011 for farmed animals. 1251 00:56:30,011 --> 00:56:32,088 They pass it on to trading standards. 1252 00:56:32,088 --> 00:56:35,508 The RSPCA do very little to protect farmed animals, 1253 00:56:35,508 --> 00:56:37,938 which is staggering really. 1254 00:56:37,938 --> 00:56:40,998 We see ourselves as a nation of animal lovers 1255 00:56:40,998 --> 00:56:44,388 and yet the animals that we abuse by far the most 1256 00:56:44,388 --> 00:56:46,398 have almost no protection. 1257 00:56:46,398 --> 00:56:48,138 There's about five or six animals here 1258 00:56:48,138 --> 00:56:50,318 that desperately need help right now. 1259 00:56:50,318 --> 00:56:53,081 There's so many. 1260 00:57:00,049 --> 00:57:00,840 If there's a dead bin here, 1261 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,723 they're doing the killing from down here. 1262 00:57:19,650 --> 00:57:20,928 Jesus Christ. 1263 00:57:20,928 --> 00:57:23,838 After witnessing what we saw on this farm, 1264 00:57:23,838 --> 00:57:27,348 we decided to launch a full-scale investigation there. 1265 00:57:27,348 --> 00:57:31,533 So we also visited other sites connected to the farm. 1266 00:57:34,205 --> 00:57:34,996 Oh my God. 1267 00:57:34,996 --> 00:57:36,833 Oh my God, that's all foaming and worse. 1268 00:57:38,366 --> 00:57:40,364 This is absolutely sickening. 1269 00:57:40,364 --> 00:57:42,268 Oh God. 1270 00:57:42,268 --> 00:57:45,378 It's the cheapest way to deal with animals 1271 00:57:45,378 --> 00:57:48,408 that are not economically viable. 1272 00:57:48,408 --> 00:57:49,700 That is absolutely gross. 1273 00:57:52,908 --> 00:57:53,823 That was sick. 1274 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,608 So about 15 minutes into our first visit, 1275 00:57:58,608 --> 00:58:01,293 we did set up surveillance cameras. 1276 00:58:02,580 --> 00:58:06,258 Blunt force trauma up until very recently used to be legal 1277 00:58:06,258 --> 00:58:08,478 for piglets under 10 kilos. 1278 00:58:08,478 --> 00:58:12,048 So swinging them by the back legs and smashing the skull, 1279 00:58:12,048 --> 00:58:15,348 you now have to use an instrument for any pig 1280 00:58:15,348 --> 00:58:17,808 over four weeks old or over 10 kilos, 1281 00:58:17,808 --> 00:58:21,858 you have to use a bolt gun is the most common thing, 1282 00:58:21,858 --> 00:58:26,268 so penetrative, because they have very tough skulls. 1283 00:58:26,268 --> 00:58:29,688 Yeah, it's not acceptable to use blunt force trauma at all. 1284 00:58:29,688 --> 00:58:32,828 Particularly a pig over 10 kilos, 1285 00:58:32,828 --> 00:58:35,193 it's never been acceptable. 1286 00:58:44,218 --> 00:58:48,348 Okay, so we left the camera pointing at this animal 1287 00:58:48,348 --> 00:58:49,248 who was paralyzed. 1288 00:58:49,248 --> 00:58:50,081 We've got a worker on site. 1289 00:58:50,081 --> 00:58:52,146 It is 7:26. 1290 00:58:56,750 --> 00:58:58,621 He's got a metal bar. 1291 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:10,570 He's still going. 1292 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,820 He's hurt his leg. 1293 00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:17,973 We have got you, you scumbag. 1294 00:59:19,890 --> 00:59:22,338 Instead of getting vet care for this animal, 1295 00:59:22,338 --> 00:59:23,898 they've grabbed an iron bar 1296 00:59:23,898 --> 00:59:26,148 and bludgeoned this animal in their head. 1297 00:59:26,148 --> 00:59:27,363 How shocking. 1298 00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:30,798 It was pretty logical to assume 1299 00:59:30,798 --> 00:59:33,670 they've all been beaten to death 1300 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,650 because they were suffering and sick. 1301 00:59:37,541 --> 00:59:42,541 There's no mercy, no help, no vet care, just an iron bar. 1302 00:59:44,070 --> 00:59:48,138 Ruthless, savage, sickening. 1303 00:59:48,138 --> 00:59:51,588 No wonder those pigs were so protective of each other. 1304 00:59:51,588 --> 00:59:54,348 No wonder they were trying to protect each other from, 1305 00:59:54,348 --> 00:59:56,513 they thought that we might do the same thing. 1306 00:59:58,410 --> 01:00:00,078 They're very smart animals, pigs, 1307 01:00:00,078 --> 01:00:01,218 they're very smart animals. 1308 01:00:01,218 --> 01:00:03,303 And here he comes again. 1309 01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:16,668 Wow. 1310 01:00:16,668 --> 01:00:17,543 What a monster. 1311 01:00:20,047 --> 01:00:21,408 No help for this animal. 1312 01:00:21,408 --> 01:00:23,313 Just a bar to death. 1313 01:00:32,580 --> 01:00:33,603 Absolutely shocking. 1314 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:42,933 Absolutely just. 1315 01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:48,798 But one of the most shocking things about it all 1316 01:00:48,798 --> 01:00:50,328 was that the owner of this farm 1317 01:00:50,328 --> 01:00:52,038 was named Farmer of the Year. 1318 01:00:52,038 --> 01:00:54,018 His photos have appeared across media outlets 1319 01:00:54,018 --> 01:00:56,328 where he and his company have been celebrated 1320 01:00:56,328 --> 01:01:00,348 for receiving various awards, including one from the RSPCA. 1321 01:01:00,348 --> 01:01:02,808 But if this is an award-winning company, 1322 01:01:02,808 --> 01:01:04,878 I wonder what the ones that don't get awards look like. 1323 01:01:04,878 --> 01:01:09,498 The free-range label doesn't have a legal definition. 1324 01:01:09,498 --> 01:01:12,888 So there's not very much transparency with the public 1325 01:01:12,888 --> 01:01:15,318 is what I'd say in terms of labeling. 1326 01:01:15,318 --> 01:01:18,618 It's not that clear what you're actually getting. 1327 01:01:18,618 --> 01:01:20,568 We later found out that this site is connected 1328 01:01:20,568 --> 01:01:24,378 to multiple major pig producers, including Pilgrim's UK. 1329 01:01:24,378 --> 01:01:25,608 And that the pigs raised there 1330 01:01:25,608 --> 01:01:27,900 are actually destined for their gas chambers. 1331 01:01:39,875 --> 01:01:41,118 So at about 2:00 AM, me and Dan 1332 01:01:41,118 --> 01:01:43,128 dressed as maintenance contract workers, 1333 01:01:43,128 --> 01:01:46,593 made our way around the back of the slaughterhouse. 1334 01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:49,900 Like we're actually doing this now. 1335 01:01:51,390 --> 01:01:53,988 We had ladders and a big bag of equipment, 1336 01:01:53,988 --> 01:01:56,348 oxygen tank, harnesses, everything. 1337 01:01:56,348 --> 01:01:57,303 It was heavy. 1338 01:02:00,210 --> 01:02:03,858 We got us on the fire escape and that was part one. 1339 01:02:03,858 --> 01:02:07,863 And we start walking now in the slaughterhouse grounds. 1340 01:02:12,738 --> 01:02:14,718 That was where everything could go wrong 1341 01:02:14,718 --> 01:02:17,448 from that point onward, if we got pulled by anybody, 1342 01:02:17,448 --> 01:02:20,013 anybody saw us, people could recognize me. 1343 01:02:24,738 --> 01:02:27,528 So we get into the door, and there's a washroom, 1344 01:02:27,528 --> 01:02:28,983 and the taps are running. 1345 01:02:31,758 --> 01:02:33,678 I said, Joe, they're automatic taps, 1346 01:02:33,678 --> 01:02:35,538 as soon as anybody walks in front of these taps, 1347 01:02:35,538 --> 01:02:36,678 these taps come on. 1348 01:02:36,678 --> 01:02:38,178 So we're freaking out a little bit 1349 01:02:38,178 --> 01:02:41,358 because if we'd been a few minutes earlier, 1350 01:02:41,358 --> 01:02:43,850 we would've run straight into one of the workers. 1351 01:02:50,211 --> 01:02:52,608 And then we had the plastic see-through curtains 1352 01:02:52,608 --> 01:02:56,193 and that was the final little bit before the gas chamber. 1353 01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:00,050 So I put my head through there, there was nobody there. 1354 01:03:03,090 --> 01:03:08,090 Straight through, right on, right again to the gas chamber. 1355 01:03:13,050 --> 01:03:15,588 We get to the gas chamber and I'm just like, thank God. 1356 01:03:15,588 --> 01:03:18,978 Because once we get to that gas chamber, 1357 01:03:18,978 --> 01:03:21,498 we're kind of half safe from getting caught. 1358 01:03:21,498 --> 01:03:26,028 We can climb up on the top of it and keep our heads down. 1359 01:03:26,028 --> 01:03:29,133 Just hope to God no one sees us on top of that thing. 1360 01:03:32,805 --> 01:03:35,897 Gets on top, lifts the lid and that was it. 1361 01:03:42,336 --> 01:03:44,598 You could see right into the gas chamber. 1362 01:03:44,598 --> 01:03:46,428 This is the thing, right? 1363 01:03:46,428 --> 01:03:48,738 No one had stepped onto that cage yet. 1364 01:03:48,738 --> 01:03:51,438 I didn't know whether, if I stepped onto that cage 1365 01:03:51,438 --> 01:03:54,138 it was just gonna start moving and drop me straight down 1366 01:03:54,138 --> 01:03:55,068 to the bottom. 1367 01:03:55,068 --> 01:03:57,310 I didn't know whether the gas was invisible. 1368 01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:02,303 I didn't know if I was gonna start getting dizzy in there. 1369 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,128 My main concern was once Joe stepped on that 1370 01:04:07,128 --> 01:04:09,933 to be ready to grab him, if it started moving. 1371 01:04:11,250 --> 01:04:14,853 But I stepped onto the cage, it didn't move. 1372 01:04:15,870 --> 01:04:18,108 Took a breath in of air and I was also relieved 1373 01:04:18,108 --> 01:04:20,898 that there wasn't, from what I could feel, 1374 01:04:20,898 --> 01:04:22,263 much gas in the chamber. 1375 01:04:24,768 --> 01:04:27,078 My heart is like rushing. 1376 01:04:27,078 --> 01:04:28,278 And I had to focus 1377 01:04:28,278 --> 01:04:31,458 because I had to start connecting secret cameras 1378 01:04:31,458 --> 01:04:33,188 to the cages. 1379 01:04:34,638 --> 01:04:37,668 First of all, I needed to fix a camera to the top part 1380 01:04:37,668 --> 01:04:40,308 of the cage, pointing in. 1381 01:04:40,308 --> 01:04:41,808 To me that was the most important view. 1382 01:04:41,808 --> 01:04:43,638 'cause we wanted to see what happened to the pigs 1383 01:04:43,638 --> 01:04:45,230 as they went down into the gas. 1384 01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:49,938 And I set another one up pointing into the front 1385 01:04:49,938 --> 01:04:51,480 of the other side of the cage. 1386 01:04:53,850 --> 01:04:56,748 These cages rotate, so it's like Russian roulette. 1387 01:04:56,748 --> 01:05:01,008 So in order for me to quickly know where the cages were 1388 01:05:01,008 --> 01:05:03,288 that had the cameras on them I used the white marker 1389 01:05:03,288 --> 01:05:05,043 and marked the top of the cages. 1390 01:05:07,668 --> 01:05:11,178 And then I wanted to set one up 1391 01:05:11,178 --> 01:05:13,758 underneath one of the gondolas, the big cages, 1392 01:05:13,758 --> 01:05:18,800 so that it would follow the cage below it and film the pigs. 1393 01:05:22,848 --> 01:05:26,328 And then I thought, what if someone switches it on? 1394 01:05:26,328 --> 01:05:31,370 I'm sat on this cage with machinery, and cogs, and chains. 1395 01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:33,198 Joel's lied on this grill 1396 01:05:33,198 --> 01:05:36,708 with his arm underneath one of these cages. 1397 01:05:36,708 --> 01:05:39,318 If this started, Joe would get his arm ripped off, 1398 01:05:39,318 --> 01:05:41,658 I'd get crushed into the ceiling. 1399 01:05:41,658 --> 01:05:42,948 So that's it. 1400 01:05:42,948 --> 01:05:44,448 Heart's going, I'm worrying. 1401 01:05:44,448 --> 01:05:46,083 I'm stressed, I'm listening. 1402 01:05:50,208 --> 01:05:51,693 I then all of a sudden. 1403 01:05:54,138 --> 01:05:54,971 Super loud. 1404 01:05:54,971 --> 01:05:57,223 I'm just like, I look up at Dan like, 1405 01:05:58,110 --> 01:05:59,838 they just turned that gas chamber on? 1406 01:05:59,838 --> 01:06:01,398 What is that? 1407 01:06:01,398 --> 01:06:02,928 Dan's freaking out. 1408 01:06:02,928 --> 01:06:05,028 I was just waiting for things to start turning. 1409 01:06:05,028 --> 01:06:06,420 There's nothing I could do. 1410 01:06:07,770 --> 01:06:08,568 Started again. 1411 01:06:08,568 --> 01:06:10,710 Joel starts getting the camera, put it on. 1412 01:06:14,688 --> 01:06:16,954 Three times that happened. 1413 01:06:17,787 --> 01:06:18,828 So my heart's pounding. 1414 01:06:18,828 --> 01:06:22,703 My body was saying, get the hell out of here. 1415 01:06:22,703 --> 01:06:24,649 Don't think I'm gonna be able to reach that man, eh? 1416 01:06:24,649 --> 01:06:26,508 Yeah, but my mind was saying, stay, 1417 01:06:26,508 --> 01:06:28,150 you have to finish this mission. 1418 01:06:29,970 --> 01:06:31,638 So I just pushed the fear in the back of my mind 1419 01:06:31,638 --> 01:06:33,180 and just kept placing cameras. 1420 01:06:47,808 --> 01:06:50,058 The fourth camera, I placed on the fly-walk, 1421 01:06:50,058 --> 01:06:52,608 this central platform in the middle of the gas chamber 1422 01:06:52,608 --> 01:06:57,305 so that no matter what, we would get a view 1423 01:06:57,305 --> 01:06:59,448 of the animals going down into the gas. 1424 01:06:59,448 --> 01:07:01,590 And I would always be able to retrieve it. 1425 01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:18,378 Now, we had to get outta that place without being seen. 1426 01:07:18,378 --> 01:07:20,753 We had to get outta that place without being caught. 1427 01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:31,308 So we start walking across the kill floor again. 1428 01:07:31,308 --> 01:07:32,850 Luckily, there's no one there. 1429 01:07:35,490 --> 01:07:38,190 We go back into the washroom, there's no one in there. 1430 01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:45,318 We goes past the taps, we goes through the corridor, 1431 01:07:45,318 --> 01:07:46,263 out the door. 1432 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,918 And we make our way outside. 1433 01:07:48,918 --> 01:07:51,903 Like huge sense of relief. 1434 01:07:53,580 --> 01:07:54,918 That is like, whoa. 1435 01:07:54,918 --> 01:07:56,116 Yes, we've done it. 1436 01:07:56,116 --> 01:07:56,991 We've done it. 1437 01:08:01,919 --> 01:08:02,741 Yes. 1438 01:08:02,741 --> 01:08:05,765 But obviously it wasn't over yet. 1439 01:08:05,765 --> 01:08:07,140 Oh, fantastic. 1440 01:08:10,659 --> 01:08:11,658 We're not there yet. 1441 01:08:11,658 --> 01:08:12,618 Yeah. 1442 01:08:12,618 --> 01:08:15,078 The retrieval is gonna be- 1443 01:08:15,078 --> 01:08:15,911 It's gonna be a bastard 1444 01:08:15,911 --> 01:08:17,028 It's gonna be a bit scarier. 1445 01:08:17,028 --> 01:08:17,861 Yeah. 1446 01:08:17,861 --> 01:08:19,458 I didn't feel any better actually, 1447 01:08:19,458 --> 01:08:22,728 because that was like the easier part of the mission. 1448 01:08:22,728 --> 01:08:25,008 The harder part would be retrieving. 1449 01:08:25,008 --> 01:08:28,068 And if those cages had got to the bottom 1450 01:08:28,068 --> 01:08:31,248 and Joey had to climb down there and go down the ladder 1451 01:08:31,248 --> 01:08:35,448 and into the gas, that was a deadly zone to be in. 1452 01:08:35,448 --> 01:08:36,555 We've attached all four cameras 1453 01:08:36,555 --> 01:08:39,933 and we've made it back safely, which is an amazing result. 1454 01:08:41,580 --> 01:08:43,608 But for now, we just gotta try to calm down 1455 01:08:43,608 --> 01:08:46,698 because tomorrow's the big day retrieving, 1456 01:08:46,698 --> 01:08:48,708 and that's the more dangerous day. 1457 01:08:48,708 --> 01:08:49,698 We need that footage. 1458 01:08:49,698 --> 01:08:51,168 We need them cameras to have worked. 1459 01:08:51,168 --> 01:08:53,568 We need those cameras to got what we wanted to get. 1460 01:08:53,568 --> 01:08:56,643 Now I feel like we're just one step away. 1461 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,518 What if I told you that the RSPCA, 1462 01:09:04,518 --> 01:09:07,998 that they put their stamp of approval on pigs 1463 01:09:07,998 --> 01:09:09,048 that are killed in these chambers. 1464 01:09:09,048 --> 01:09:10,908 Would that make you think that the gas 1465 01:09:10,908 --> 01:09:12,573 was more actually humane? 1466 01:09:13,470 --> 01:09:14,607 I'd absolutely think so. 1467 01:09:14,607 --> 01:09:15,441 Yeah. 1468 01:09:15,441 --> 01:09:16,274 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 1469 01:09:16,274 --> 01:09:17,515 If they've got the RSPCA stamp on it, 1470 01:09:17,515 --> 01:09:19,578 I'd think it's more ethically correct. 1471 01:09:19,578 --> 01:09:20,448 Yeah. 1472 01:09:20,448 --> 01:09:22,158 What would you believe if you're seeing 1473 01:09:22,158 --> 01:09:23,819 just a couple of packages with RSPCA or whatever? 1474 01:09:23,819 --> 01:09:24,652 Yeah. 1475 01:09:24,652 --> 01:09:25,758 You wouldn't feel as guilty about it, would you? 1476 01:09:25,758 --> 01:09:28,125 Yeah. 1477 01:09:28,125 --> 01:09:31,188 So the RSPCA had been misleading the public, 1478 01:09:31,188 --> 01:09:33,498 their assured logo has been put on meat 1479 01:09:33,498 --> 01:09:36,858 from pigs killed in gas chambers for years. 1480 01:09:36,858 --> 01:09:38,088 I needed clarification. 1481 01:09:38,088 --> 01:09:40,608 So I began searching their website 1482 01:09:40,608 --> 01:09:42,288 and surprisingly it was easier 1483 01:09:42,288 --> 01:09:45,828 to find recipes for bacon than their position on CO2. 1484 01:09:45,828 --> 01:09:48,648 We found out there was a massive farming convention 1485 01:09:48,648 --> 01:09:50,568 and because they'd been declining our interviews, 1486 01:09:50,568 --> 01:09:53,598 we decided to go in undercover as consultants. 1487 01:09:53,598 --> 01:09:54,685 Okay. 1488 01:09:54,685 --> 01:09:55,518 That's good. 1489 01:09:55,518 --> 01:09:58,563 Acting for the farming division of Pilgrim's BQP, 1490 01:09:59,966 --> 01:10:02,388 Tarion and I got passes to a major industry event 1491 01:10:02,388 --> 01:10:04,998 where they were due to have a stall. 1492 01:10:04,998 --> 01:10:06,798 It looked like just about every organization 1493 01:10:06,798 --> 01:10:09,438 we'd been ignored and turned down by were there. 1494 01:10:09,438 --> 01:10:11,118 But today was about just one. 1495 01:10:11,118 --> 01:10:12,498 Here we go. 1496 01:10:12,498 --> 01:10:14,028 RSPCA Assured. 1497 01:10:14,028 --> 01:10:15,825 Dedicated to farm animal welfare 1498 01:10:15,825 --> 01:10:17,943 and CO2 gas chambers apparently. 1499 01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:20,711 You work for the RSPCA Assured? 1500 01:10:20,711 --> 01:10:21,544 Yes. 1501 01:10:21,544 --> 01:10:22,377 Yeah. 1502 01:10:22,377 --> 01:10:23,210 Oh, cool. 1503 01:10:23,210 --> 01:10:24,043 Uh, BQP? 1504 01:10:24,043 --> 01:10:25,709 Yeah. 1505 01:10:25,709 --> 01:10:26,542 Nice. 1506 01:10:26,542 --> 01:10:27,375 We've had a few consumer concerns 1507 01:10:27,375 --> 01:10:29,448 and they were talking about CO2 gas. 1508 01:10:29,448 --> 01:10:30,408 We don't do that anymore. 1509 01:10:30,408 --> 01:10:32,352 We've now moved away from that completely. 1510 01:10:32,352 --> 01:10:33,468 RSPCA Assured then? 1511 01:10:33,468 --> 01:10:34,310 Yeah. 1512 01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:35,143 Oh really? 1513 01:10:35,143 --> 01:10:35,976 Yeah. 1514 01:10:35,976 --> 01:10:37,427 Well, I mean, we're dedicated to farming welfare. 1515 01:10:37,427 --> 01:10:39,318 We wouldn't want anything bad to be happening 1516 01:10:39,318 --> 01:10:40,768 to any animals, if we can. 1517 01:10:40,768 --> 01:10:42,648 Well, the main thing question would be 1518 01:10:42,648 --> 01:10:45,404 that the welfare concerns are being handled 1519 01:10:45,404 --> 01:10:47,868 on the ground with farming. 1520 01:10:47,868 --> 01:10:48,937 Yeah. 1521 01:10:48,937 --> 01:10:50,718 But in the slaughter, in the abattoirs. 1522 01:10:50,718 --> 01:10:51,558 Yeah. 1523 01:10:51,558 --> 01:10:53,448 There's still the CO2 issue. 1524 01:10:53,448 --> 01:10:54,281 Okay, cool. 1525 01:10:54,281 --> 01:10:56,418 I'll go grab, Barry, he's an abattoir expert. 1526 01:10:56,418 --> 01:10:57,333 You bear with me. 1527 01:10:58,830 --> 01:11:00,548 Who do you work with at BQP? 1528 01:11:00,548 --> 01:11:02,058 We are consultants. 1529 01:11:02,058 --> 01:11:03,291 You're consultants for BQP? 1530 01:11:03,291 --> 01:11:06,708 What we wanted to know is RSPCA will assure 1531 01:11:06,708 --> 01:11:08,748 the meat that comes from the pigs 1532 01:11:08,748 --> 01:11:10,690 that are killed in CO2 chambers still? 1533 01:11:11,670 --> 01:11:12,503 Is that true? 1534 01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:15,708 I dunno 'cause I'm part of certification. 1535 01:11:15,708 --> 01:11:16,668 I'm just more interested in 1536 01:11:16,668 --> 01:11:18,586 where you work at BQP that's all. 1537 01:11:18,586 --> 01:11:19,788 Are you part of BQP as well? 1538 01:11:19,788 --> 01:11:20,621 Yeah. 1539 01:11:20,621 --> 01:11:22,196 Who do you work with at BQP? 1540 01:11:22,196 --> 01:11:23,783 Why so many questions. 1541 01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,253 Because BQP don't exist anymore, that's why. 1542 01:11:29,190 --> 01:11:30,408 Yes, we do. 1543 01:11:30,408 --> 01:11:31,241 Right. 1544 01:11:31,241 --> 01:11:32,355 Okay. 1545 01:11:32,355 --> 01:11:34,578 We still supply Pilgrim's Pride at Manchester 1546 01:11:34,578 --> 01:11:36,558 and there's a CO2 unit there 1547 01:11:36,558 --> 01:11:41,478 and RSPCA-approved pigs will go to their chambers. 1548 01:11:41,478 --> 01:11:43,458 RSPCA don't run the abattoirs. 1549 01:11:43,458 --> 01:11:45,408 So you'd be better off speaking to the abattoir people. 1550 01:11:45,408 --> 01:11:46,241 No. 1551 01:11:46,241 --> 01:11:47,371 Yeah. 1552 01:11:47,371 --> 01:11:49,878 But you work for RSPCA Assured this label is on bacon. 1553 01:11:49,878 --> 01:11:50,711 Right? 1554 01:11:50,711 --> 01:11:54,078 These pigs go into gas chambers and they, 1555 01:11:54,078 --> 01:11:56,688 have you seen footage from inside of there? 1556 01:11:56,688 --> 01:11:58,638 Inside of CO2 gas chambers. 1557 01:11:58,638 --> 01:12:01,661 And what did you think about, what did you think? 1558 01:12:01,661 --> 01:12:05,087 They're suffering in the gas chambers. 1559 01:12:05,087 --> 01:12:06,228 How do you know they're suffering? 1560 01:12:06,228 --> 01:12:07,998 They are definitely suffering. 1561 01:12:07,998 --> 01:12:09,795 I would encourage you to watch the footage, 1562 01:12:09,795 --> 01:12:12,288 but the stamp is being put on the bacon 1563 01:12:12,288 --> 01:12:13,605 from pigs that go to the gas chambers. 1564 01:12:13,605 --> 01:12:14,438 And you told me 1565 01:12:14,438 --> 01:12:17,463 that they don't use gas chambers anymore, RSPCA. 1566 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:20,775 Sorry, what? 1567 01:12:20,775 --> 01:12:22,033 I'm lost, buddy. 1568 01:12:22,033 --> 01:12:22,866 That's okay. 1569 01:12:22,866 --> 01:12:24,258 We're just asking simple questions. 1570 01:12:24,258 --> 01:12:25,091 That's all. 1571 01:12:25,091 --> 01:12:26,065 So am I. 1572 01:12:26,065 --> 01:12:26,898 What's the name of your company. 1573 01:12:26,898 --> 01:12:28,158 We told you we told you BQP? 1574 01:12:28,158 --> 01:12:30,068 No. 1575 01:12:30,068 --> 01:12:30,901 You said you're doing consultancy for BQP. 1576 01:12:30,901 --> 01:12:31,734 Yeah. 1577 01:12:31,734 --> 01:12:32,567 So freelancing. 1578 01:12:32,567 --> 01:12:33,400 Yeah. 1579 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:34,233 So what's the name of your freelance company? 1580 01:12:34,233 --> 01:12:35,066 Freelancing. 1581 01:12:35,066 --> 01:12:35,899 I don't have to give you all my personal information. 1582 01:12:35,899 --> 01:12:36,732 No, no. 1583 01:12:36,732 --> 01:12:37,565 We're just simply asking questions 1584 01:12:37,565 --> 01:12:40,188 'cause RSPCA are a big organization, charity organization, 1585 01:12:40,188 --> 01:12:41,478 and we wanna know about 1586 01:12:41,478 --> 01:12:43,008 why they're still approving gas chambers. 1587 01:12:43,008 --> 01:12:43,841 That's all. 1588 01:12:43,841 --> 01:12:44,868 Just a simple question. 1589 01:12:44,868 --> 01:12:47,238 We're just inquiring about animal welfare, that's all, 1590 01:12:47,238 --> 01:12:48,723 as a concerned consumer. 1591 01:12:49,848 --> 01:12:53,658 But no one seems to have answers. 1592 01:12:53,658 --> 01:12:55,638 You seem to have a lot of information. 1593 01:12:55,638 --> 01:12:57,658 I'm not sure what answers you're looking for. 1594 01:12:57,658 --> 01:12:59,268 Well, but basically simple question. 1595 01:12:59,268 --> 01:13:02,358 It's why do RSPCA assured still put their logo 1596 01:13:02,358 --> 01:13:05,118 on pigs that are killed in CO2 gas 1597 01:13:05,118 --> 01:13:07,038 after they've called for a ban. 1598 01:13:07,038 --> 01:13:08,448 So, what I'm gonna do 1599 01:13:08,448 --> 01:13:10,518 is I'm gonna take your question and your contact details. 1600 01:13:10,518 --> 01:13:12,108 Why were they getting so defensive 1601 01:13:12,108 --> 01:13:13,908 when I was just asking simple questions 1602 01:13:13,908 --> 01:13:15,333 about their own guidelines? 1603 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,448 I know it's a lot of pressure for you, mate, 1604 01:13:17,448 --> 01:13:20,148 but we just wanting to know, that's all. 1605 01:13:20,148 --> 01:13:22,390 It made me feel like they were holding back. 1606 01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:27,048 I would say the RSPCA in its duty 1607 01:13:27,048 --> 01:13:29,355 and I think in the public eye, 1608 01:13:29,355 --> 01:13:30,858 the public would expect the RSPCA 1609 01:13:30,858 --> 01:13:34,038 to actually protect animals. 1610 01:13:34,038 --> 01:13:36,468 I think them signing off on a source method, 1611 01:13:36,468 --> 01:13:41,268 which is known to be causing pain and distress 1612 01:13:41,268 --> 01:13:43,008 on a massive scale. 1613 01:13:43,008 --> 01:13:44,778 We're talking millions and millions of animals 1614 01:13:44,778 --> 01:13:46,608 suffering like this every year. 1615 01:13:46,608 --> 01:13:49,668 I think that's false advertising for one. 1616 01:13:49,668 --> 01:13:52,338 But I think it's also quite awful. 1617 01:13:52,338 --> 01:13:56,028 Like I would implore any policy-maker at the RSPCA 1618 01:13:56,028 --> 01:13:58,548 to sit through that footage of pigs in gas chambers 1619 01:13:58,548 --> 01:14:00,498 and not change that policy. 1620 01:14:00,498 --> 01:14:04,435 Finally, the RSPCA did get back to us. 1621 01:14:04,435 --> 01:14:07,008 "We are keen to see more humane methods developed, 1622 01:14:07,008 --> 01:14:09,018 including the commercial use of inert gases, 1623 01:14:09,018 --> 01:14:10,818 which are not adversive to pigs. 1624 01:14:10,818 --> 01:14:13,248 Currently, high concentrations of CO2 1625 01:14:13,248 --> 01:14:14,328 or electric stunning 1626 01:14:14,328 --> 01:14:17,448 are the only commercially viable methods available for pigs. 1627 01:14:17,448 --> 01:14:19,338 So more research and development is needed 1628 01:14:19,338 --> 01:14:21,348 into more humane alternatives, 1629 01:14:21,348 --> 01:14:24,318 "which will require significant investment." 1630 01:14:24,318 --> 01:14:26,538 So why on Earth was a charity that's set up 1631 01:14:26,538 --> 01:14:28,728 to protect animals so concerned 1632 01:14:28,728 --> 01:14:30,558 with what's commercially viable. 1633 01:14:30,558 --> 01:14:32,808 That's like a human rights organization 1634 01:14:32,808 --> 01:14:35,673 prioritizing corporate profit over the rights of people. 1635 01:14:36,990 --> 01:14:40,038 We found out that the RSPCA has a technical advisory board 1636 01:14:40,038 --> 01:14:42,438 that sets a standard for their assured label. 1637 01:14:42,438 --> 01:14:43,818 And guess who's on it? 1638 01:14:43,818 --> 01:14:45,408 About a half a dozen representatives 1639 01:14:45,408 --> 01:14:47,688 from major players in the pork industry, 1640 01:14:47,688 --> 01:14:49,578 including a pig breeding company, 1641 01:14:49,578 --> 01:14:52,968 a major pork producer, Pilgrim's Pride. 1642 01:14:52,968 --> 01:14:55,488 So a charity that's set up to protect animals 1643 01:14:55,488 --> 01:14:58,623 also consults meat producers on how best to kill them. 1644 01:14:59,460 --> 01:15:00,948 And it gets worse. 1645 01:15:00,948 --> 01:15:03,798 I also learned that the RSPCA gets paid by farmers 1646 01:15:03,798 --> 01:15:05,988 to be a part of their assured scheme. 1647 01:15:05,988 --> 01:15:08,988 But most shockingly, the RSPCA receives a percentage 1648 01:15:08,988 --> 01:15:10,818 from the sold products. 1649 01:15:10,818 --> 01:15:13,428 This means the more assured meat that's sold, 1650 01:15:13,428 --> 01:15:15,442 the more money they make. 1651 01:15:15,442 --> 01:15:19,158 And this amounted to 4.5 million pounds in 2021. 1652 01:15:19,158 --> 01:15:22,473 This isn't just a conflict of interest, this is a sellout. 1653 01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:25,518 So after the convention, 1654 01:15:25,518 --> 01:15:28,248 RSPCA had conveniently updated their website 1655 01:15:28,248 --> 01:15:31,158 to include their position on CO2 gassing, 1656 01:15:31,158 --> 01:15:35,928 they apparently use 90% concentration of gas 1657 01:15:35,928 --> 01:15:38,118 other than the legal requirement of 80%. 1658 01:15:38,118 --> 01:15:41,748 Because in their words it causes less suffering. 1659 01:15:41,748 --> 01:15:42,918 So do you think they just fall asleep, 1660 01:15:42,918 --> 01:15:44,598 sort of just go to sleep in the gas, 1661 01:15:44,598 --> 01:15:45,851 like a sleeping gas kind of thing? 1662 01:15:45,851 --> 01:15:47,769 It's not something I like to think about. 1663 01:15:47,769 --> 01:15:48,602 Yeah. 1664 01:15:48,602 --> 01:15:50,309 I would like to think it was- 1665 01:15:50,309 --> 01:15:51,142 Just gentle. 1666 01:15:51,142 --> 01:15:52,889 Just going to the dentist and just. 1667 01:15:52,889 --> 01:15:53,722 Yeah. 1668 01:15:53,722 --> 01:15:54,986 But I don't think it probably is. 1669 01:15:54,986 --> 01:15:56,149 Do you think they feel anything? 1670 01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:58,308 Do you think it's a pleasant experience or just? 1671 01:15:58,308 --> 01:15:59,808 Probably not. 1672 01:15:59,808 --> 01:16:01,158 Probably not a pleasant experience though. 1673 01:16:01,158 --> 01:16:02,270 No. 1674 01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:03,103 Because think about it. 1675 01:16:03,103 --> 01:16:05,148 If we was to get our oxygen taken away, 1676 01:16:05,148 --> 01:16:07,008 then it takes us a while for us to die 1677 01:16:07,008 --> 01:16:08,328 from asphyxiation, innit? 1678 01:16:08,328 --> 01:16:09,449 Yeah. 1679 01:16:09,449 --> 01:16:10,991 So I don't know. 1680 01:16:12,158 --> 01:16:14,358 It just so happens that the gas chamber at Pilgrim's Pride 1681 01:16:14,358 --> 01:16:16,998 conforms to the RSPCA standard. 1682 01:16:16,998 --> 01:16:18,978 So I think it's about time consumers got to see 1683 01:16:18,978 --> 01:16:20,620 what they were paying extra for. 1684 01:16:24,858 --> 01:16:26,538 Well, it's either I put the goggles on my head 1685 01:16:26,538 --> 01:16:28,076 or I have the headlamp on. 1686 01:16:28,076 --> 01:16:29,088 'Cause this is what's gonna save my butt. 1687 01:16:29,088 --> 01:16:30,408 The tension in the room, 1688 01:16:30,408 --> 01:16:31,950 you could cut it with a knife. 1689 01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:36,258 It's called a lifesaver. 1690 01:16:36,258 --> 01:16:37,458 I look calm on the outside, 1691 01:16:37,458 --> 01:16:40,278 but on the inside I am terrified. 1692 01:16:40,278 --> 01:16:42,288 I can hold that onto the ladder 1693 01:16:42,288 --> 01:16:45,191 while I'm reaching around, grabbing stuff, you know? 1694 01:16:45,191 --> 01:16:46,938 And I'm gonna need this more tonight 1695 01:16:46,938 --> 01:16:50,148 because I'll be going down into the gas, potentially. 1696 01:16:50,148 --> 01:16:52,368 The most bizarre feeling though. 1697 01:16:52,368 --> 01:16:54,288 Haven't felt anything like it before. 1698 01:16:54,288 --> 01:16:58,642 Hoping that the chambers are at the top. 1699 01:17:04,650 --> 01:17:06,300 Camera needs to be ready to rock. 1700 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,078 Okay. 1701 01:17:18,078 --> 01:17:19,248 Clipboard? 1702 01:17:19,248 --> 01:17:20,763 Clipboard is here. 1703 01:17:21,690 --> 01:17:25,098 When he was walking out of the door at the house, 1704 01:17:25,098 --> 01:17:26,748 there was a very strong possibility 1705 01:17:26,748 --> 01:17:28,440 that I would never see him again. 1706 01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:34,015 You ready? 1707 01:17:34,015 --> 01:17:35,477 Yeah. 1708 01:17:45,150 --> 01:17:45,941 Alright, here we go. 1709 01:17:45,941 --> 01:17:46,774 Round two. 1710 01:17:46,774 --> 01:17:48,558 Round two, piece of piss. 1711 01:17:48,558 --> 01:17:49,919 Let's get this shit. 1712 01:17:49,919 --> 01:17:51,060 Piece of piss. 1713 01:17:51,060 --> 01:17:52,287 If I have to put my oxygen tank on, 1714 01:17:52,287 --> 01:17:54,079 I'll put the tank on. 1715 01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:02,973 So basically we made our way back the same way, 1716 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,973 I was thinking we're gonna get caught, this is it. 1717 01:18:12,858 --> 01:18:13,818 They might have sussed us out, 1718 01:18:13,818 --> 01:18:14,898 they might have found the cameras, 1719 01:18:14,898 --> 01:18:16,488 they might have the cameras in the office 1720 01:18:16,488 --> 01:18:18,323 and the police there waiting for us. 1721 01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:22,458 It's just like there were so many things 1722 01:18:22,458 --> 01:18:23,583 that could go wrong. 1723 01:18:27,588 --> 01:18:29,688 Dan's in front of me and he gets to the door 1724 01:18:29,688 --> 01:18:30,963 and he just stops. 1725 01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:34,548 Gets to the door, peeks through. 1726 01:18:34,548 --> 01:18:36,768 There's someone there. 1727 01:18:36,768 --> 01:18:38,427 And that was it, I just froze. 1728 01:18:38,427 --> 01:18:41,988 I just thought like, we're dressed as maintenance workers, 1729 01:18:41,988 --> 01:18:43,380 let's just give it a crack. 1730 01:18:44,818 --> 01:18:45,655 Let's go. 1731 01:18:45,655 --> 01:18:46,698 And then Joey just walked straight past me 1732 01:18:46,698 --> 01:18:48,517 and walks right through the door. 1733 01:18:48,517 --> 01:18:49,350 And that was it. 1734 01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:50,183 I had to follow him. 1735 01:18:50,183 --> 01:18:51,618 That was it. 1736 01:18:51,618 --> 01:18:55,008 We walked through the door, McGaffey's there, 1737 01:18:55,008 --> 01:18:56,718 who'd known me for nearly three and a half weeks 1738 01:18:56,718 --> 01:18:59,278 when I worked there, he looked straight me in the eye 1739 01:18:59,278 --> 01:19:01,970 and I just looked straight ahead, carried on walking, 1740 01:19:03,030 --> 01:19:06,138 Streamlined straight to the gas chamber, 1741 01:19:06,138 --> 01:19:09,183 still thinking he's gonna yell out, stop. 1742 01:19:11,100 --> 01:19:12,408 Walk around the corner and I just thought 1743 01:19:12,408 --> 01:19:13,241 please don't follow us. 1744 01:19:13,241 --> 01:19:15,018 Please don't follow us. 1745 01:19:15,018 --> 01:19:16,878 But I didn't wanna look round. 1746 01:19:16,878 --> 01:19:19,863 'Cause if you start looking round, you look suspicious. 1747 01:19:22,188 --> 01:19:23,958 We get to the gas chamber again, 1748 01:19:23,958 --> 01:19:25,758 climb up the ladder. 1749 01:19:25,758 --> 01:19:27,648 Gets on top of the gas chamber, 1750 01:19:27,648 --> 01:19:29,778 and then I just glanced over 1751 01:19:29,778 --> 01:19:31,758 and I could, nobody's followed us. 1752 01:19:31,758 --> 01:19:32,591 Nobody's followed us. 1753 01:19:32,591 --> 01:19:33,753 We're fine, we're great. 1754 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,348 So Dan opens up the hatch and I was like, oh my God, 1755 01:19:39,348 --> 01:19:40,988 the chamber's filled with gas. 1756 01:19:40,988 --> 01:19:45,888 It was like a thick silvery mist and it shocked me. 1757 01:19:45,888 --> 01:19:48,243 So below the fly-walk is where the gas is. 1758 01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:53,553 So I had to be extremely careful not to do anything stupid. 1759 01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:02,688 He wasn't climbing in, I noticed something. 1760 01:20:02,688 --> 01:20:06,393 It's like there's a haze, there's mist and it's pungent. 1761 01:20:16,099 --> 01:20:19,683 And then I began the mission of pulling off the cameras. 1762 01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:23,314 I retrieved the first camera. 1763 01:20:23,314 --> 01:20:25,323 It's underneath the fly-walk quite easy. 1764 01:20:27,450 --> 01:20:28,821 The second camera I grabbed was at the top. 1765 01:20:28,821 --> 01:20:31,713 So I just pulled it off by the lens and chuck in the bag. 1766 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,398 The other top camera, which is an important camera to grab, 1767 01:20:37,398 --> 01:20:40,968 was in the second level. 1768 01:20:40,968 --> 01:20:42,310 And that's the death zone. 1769 01:20:43,650 --> 01:20:45,631 So I had to get the oxygen tank on. 1770 01:20:45,631 --> 01:20:50,673 I get my goggles on and I start squeezing my body down 1771 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:52,458 this little gap to get down 1772 01:20:52,458 --> 01:20:55,277 and wrap myself around to get to the ladder. 1773 01:21:01,797 --> 01:21:03,528 This is a two-story drop below us. 1774 01:21:03,528 --> 01:21:04,563 There's gas. 1775 01:21:05,907 --> 01:21:07,908 And my worst nightmares were coming through. 1776 01:21:07,908 --> 01:21:09,948 He would have to go down that ladder. 1777 01:21:09,948 --> 01:21:12,633 And if anything happened, I would have to leave him. 1778 01:21:15,870 --> 01:21:19,098 I quickly stepped down, I step onto the second cage, 1779 01:21:19,098 --> 01:21:21,438 and I grab the lens. 1780 01:21:21,438 --> 01:21:24,138 And now there's gas, I'm smothered in gas, 1781 01:21:24,138 --> 01:21:26,418 there's gas all around me. 1782 01:21:26,418 --> 01:21:30,498 And I begin bringing gas in through my goggles 1783 01:21:30,498 --> 01:21:32,208 and I'm bringing it into my nose, 1784 01:21:32,208 --> 01:21:35,058 and it's going into my eyes, and it's fizzing in my eyes, 1785 01:21:35,058 --> 01:21:36,348 and it's starting to burn. 1786 01:21:36,348 --> 01:21:38,767 And I begin to hyperventilate. 1787 01:21:38,767 --> 01:21:39,600 I couldn't go after him. 1788 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,467 I couldn't go and see if he was all right. 1789 01:21:41,467 --> 01:21:42,535 I couldn't help in any way. 1790 01:21:42,535 --> 01:21:44,015 I just had to sit there and wait. 1791 01:21:44,015 --> 01:21:45,138 And it was like an eternity. 1792 01:21:45,138 --> 01:21:47,073 It was like, it just went on forever. 1793 01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,988 So I'm thinking, God, I've got this camera in my hand. 1794 01:21:50,988 --> 01:21:52,608 I've got these goggles filled with gas, 1795 01:21:52,608 --> 01:21:55,848 and I've gotta reach back up to the ladder, 1796 01:21:55,848 --> 01:22:00,333 compose myself and start pulling myself back up this ladder. 1797 01:22:01,770 --> 01:22:04,788 He comes stomping up and he is hyperventilating. 1798 01:22:04,788 --> 01:22:05,688 He can't breathe. 1799 01:22:05,688 --> 01:22:07,293 He's panicking, he's shaking. 1800 01:22:08,550 --> 01:22:11,598 Just trying to get some oxygen back into me actually, 1801 01:22:11,598 --> 01:22:14,418 put the third camera in the bag. 1802 01:22:14,418 --> 01:22:15,960 And there was one more to get. 1803 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,988 This was the bottom camera, but it had swapped sides. 1804 01:22:23,988 --> 01:22:25,780 And now it was a lot harder to get. 1805 01:22:31,170 --> 01:22:34,848 I'm lying on the fly-walk, still a bit dizzy, 1806 01:22:34,848 --> 01:22:38,028 reaching out to this camera, trying to pull it off. 1807 01:22:38,028 --> 01:22:41,718 And it's caked in feces and urine. 1808 01:22:41,718 --> 01:22:43,863 It's just really slippery. 1809 01:22:47,460 --> 01:22:49,638 And my little arms aren't long enough 1810 01:22:49,638 --> 01:22:51,855 and I'm trying to pull this camera off 1811 01:22:51,855 --> 01:22:53,538 and I keep slipping and slipping, 1812 01:22:53,538 --> 01:22:55,230 and I just can't get a good grip. 1813 01:22:59,898 --> 01:23:02,268 We need every single one of these cameras 1814 01:23:02,268 --> 01:23:03,108 in case one has failed. 1815 01:23:03,108 --> 01:23:05,000 So we can't just leave a camera here. 1816 01:23:07,968 --> 01:23:10,987 So obviously, you needed someone with longer hands. 1817 01:23:17,904 --> 01:23:19,446 All right. 1818 01:23:22,763 --> 01:23:24,439 Be careful, Dan. 1819 01:23:29,580 --> 01:23:31,971 And then he laid down on the fly-walk 1820 01:23:31,971 --> 01:23:34,428 and I'm there on top of him holding him 1821 01:23:34,428 --> 01:23:36,033 by his waistband like this. 1822 01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:39,590 I can smell the gas again. 1823 01:23:41,178 --> 01:23:42,675 I gets down and gets my arm underneath 1824 01:23:42,675 --> 01:23:47,238 and I can just get my fingertips on the edge of this block, 1825 01:23:47,238 --> 01:23:48,303 which is the camera. 1826 01:23:49,310 --> 01:23:51,621 And then I'm thinking, what if I drop the camera, 1827 01:23:51,621 --> 01:23:53,928 the footage, it's gonna go down to the bottom, 1828 01:23:53,928 --> 01:23:55,038 it's gonna hit the deck 1829 01:23:55,038 --> 01:23:57,498 and we're not gonna be able to get it back. 1830 01:23:57,498 --> 01:24:00,078 So I grabs it, it's slippery, it's sliding. 1831 01:24:00,078 --> 01:24:02,928 I pulls it and I thought, I'm just gonna have to go for it. 1832 01:24:02,928 --> 01:24:03,761 There's another way. 1833 01:24:03,761 --> 01:24:06,318 And just pulled it and it came away. 1834 01:24:06,318 --> 01:24:07,193 Yeah, got it. 1835 01:24:12,467 --> 01:24:15,438 But it was far from over because then, of course, 1836 01:24:15,438 --> 01:24:17,220 we have to get out. 1837 01:24:23,404 --> 01:24:25,458 So we get outta the gas chamber, we go down the ladder. 1838 01:24:25,458 --> 01:24:29,020 And I just thought to myself, there is no power on earth 1839 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,538 that will get these cameras off of me. 1840 01:24:32,538 --> 01:24:34,548 Like you will have to kill me 1841 01:24:34,548 --> 01:24:35,688 to get these cameras off of me 1842 01:24:35,688 --> 01:24:37,430 after all we've just been through. 1843 01:24:40,998 --> 01:24:43,788 If anybody caught us, we had a plan, 1844 01:24:43,788 --> 01:24:45,738 just run like hell and get out of there. 1845 01:24:45,738 --> 01:24:46,578 That was it. 1846 01:24:46,578 --> 01:24:47,838 That was the plan. 1847 01:24:47,838 --> 01:24:49,827 That's all we needed to do. 1848 01:24:52,188 --> 01:24:55,593 Walks back through, who was there still, McGaffey. 1849 01:24:58,837 --> 01:25:00,301 So we had masks on, 1850 01:25:00,301 --> 01:25:03,768 but I just distinctly remember he looked up at me again, 1851 01:25:03,768 --> 01:25:05,375 but he couldn't see it. 1852 01:25:05,375 --> 01:25:06,994 But I had a big massive grin on my face 1853 01:25:06,994 --> 01:25:08,327 and I just nodded at him. 1854 01:25:08,327 --> 01:25:11,096 And then we walked out through the door. 1855 01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,445 So head down and just walk straight out of there 1856 01:25:19,445 --> 01:25:23,178 with a bag filled with four cameras 1857 01:25:23,178 --> 01:25:25,533 of secretly filmed gas chamber footage. 1858 01:25:26,430 --> 01:25:28,143 The first of its kind in the UK. 1859 01:25:32,305 --> 01:25:33,680 We've done it. 1860 01:25:34,727 --> 01:25:35,894 We've done it. 1861 01:25:46,500 --> 01:25:50,118 All those times I'd spent outside of that gas chamber 1862 01:25:50,118 --> 01:25:54,768 in Manchester, just right there in the park by the wall. 1863 01:25:54,768 --> 01:25:55,968 And I was convinced 1864 01:25:55,968 --> 01:25:58,728 that what was going on in there was horrible. 1865 01:25:58,728 --> 01:26:02,898 Now we had the footage, and that footage does not lie. 1866 01:26:02,898 --> 01:26:07,038 The industry may lie to you, but this footage is the truth. 1867 01:26:07,038 --> 01:26:10,998 Now, no one from the UK can ever apply the word humane 1868 01:26:10,998 --> 01:26:13,578 to these gas chambers ever again. 1869 01:26:13,578 --> 01:26:15,070 Now, there was no denying it. 1870 01:26:56,426 --> 01:26:58,188 What carbon dioxide does 1871 01:26:58,188 --> 01:27:03,230 is it makes the pigs have a deeply aversive reaction. 1872 01:27:05,337 --> 01:27:07,398 The chamber starts turning, 1873 01:27:07,398 --> 01:27:09,738 and as soon as they hit that second level, 1874 01:27:09,738 --> 01:27:12,888 they start freaking out, struggling, 1875 01:27:12,888 --> 01:27:14,898 desperately trying to escape. 1876 01:27:14,898 --> 01:27:16,278 They can't get any oxygen. 1877 01:27:16,278 --> 01:27:17,361 They look like they're suffering. 1878 01:27:17,361 --> 01:27:19,308 They start to hyperventilate. 1879 01:27:19,308 --> 01:27:21,050 They feel like they can't breathe. 1880 01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:24,888 The carbon dioxide then gets into their eyes, 1881 01:27:24,888 --> 01:27:26,778 their nostrils, their lungs, 1882 01:27:26,778 --> 01:27:29,388 they're burning from the inside out. 1883 01:27:29,388 --> 01:27:31,908 And these animals are terrified, 1884 01:27:31,908 --> 01:27:35,238 in most hideous pain and suffering. 1885 01:27:35,238 --> 01:27:39,468 And that goes on for 15 seconds, 30 seconds, 1886 01:27:39,468 --> 01:27:40,683 up to a minute or more. 1887 01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:49,038 That is what some tried to describe 1888 01:27:49,038 --> 01:27:51,243 as humane slaughter. 1889 01:27:51,243 --> 01:27:53,260 Fairly well documented that it's one 1890 01:27:53,260 --> 01:27:56,118 of the humane methods of slaughter. 1891 01:27:56,118 --> 01:27:57,528 All Red Tractor animals 1892 01:27:57,528 --> 01:27:59,210 are treated with compassion. 1893 01:27:59,210 --> 01:28:00,147 The gas stunning 1894 01:28:00,147 --> 01:28:05,189 is currently the most humane way of stunning animals. 1895 01:28:05,550 --> 01:28:07,818 Be able to do that and maintain 1896 01:28:07,818 --> 01:28:09,828 those high standards and quality standards 1897 01:28:09,828 --> 01:28:12,518 for which we have a very good reputation across the world. 1898 01:28:12,518 --> 01:28:14,148 We all know it's wrong. 1899 01:28:14,148 --> 01:28:15,798 We all know slaughterhouses are bad. 1900 01:28:15,798 --> 01:28:18,408 That's why no one wants to look at the footage. 1901 01:28:18,408 --> 01:28:20,050 And we all know it's not humane. 1902 01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:24,108 Carbon dioxide, killing of pigs 1903 01:28:24,108 --> 01:28:28,159 is non-stun slaughter of the worst kind. 1904 01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:36,168 This footage is so clear. 1905 01:28:36,168 --> 01:28:41,210 Just the innocent animal is just desperately gasping for air 1906 01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,808 and flailing about in pain. 1907 01:28:44,808 --> 01:28:47,043 It's something nightmares are made of. 1908 01:28:49,470 --> 01:28:52,518 Couldn't be more cruel to the pigs 1909 01:28:52,518 --> 01:28:54,408 if you just cut their throats 1910 01:28:54,408 --> 01:28:55,833 and just left them to die. 1911 01:28:59,610 --> 01:29:00,443 Jesus. 1912 01:29:01,740 --> 01:29:04,428 When they get down into the gas, see, it's moving down. 1913 01:29:04,428 --> 01:29:05,261 Oh. 1914 01:29:05,261 --> 01:29:07,218 You'll see when they start to react. 1915 01:29:07,218 --> 01:29:08,567 Absolutely unbelievable. 1916 01:29:08,567 --> 01:29:11,229 Oh my God. 1917 01:29:11,229 --> 01:29:12,062 That's horrific, man. 1918 01:29:12,062 --> 01:29:13,896 That's absolutely, that's barbaric to a point. 1919 01:29:13,896 --> 01:29:14,771 Yeah. 1920 01:29:20,287 --> 01:29:22,368 Yeah, no, that's awful. 1921 01:29:22,368 --> 01:29:24,798 Can we stop with that one, please? 1922 01:29:24,798 --> 01:29:26,688 Yeah, no, I don't agree with that. 1923 01:29:26,688 --> 01:29:29,305 That's awful. 1924 01:29:29,305 --> 01:29:30,738 That is so cruel. 1925 01:29:30,738 --> 01:29:33,825 And in fact, it's upset me watching that. 1926 01:29:33,825 --> 01:29:37,668 The most appropriate thing would be to stop killing pigs. 1927 01:29:37,668 --> 01:29:38,868 If you can't do it in a way 1928 01:29:38,868 --> 01:29:41,628 that's not gonna cause extreme suffering, 1929 01:29:41,628 --> 01:29:43,698 which I think the consumer expects. 1930 01:29:43,698 --> 01:29:48,738 They're given this humane slaughter lie, essentially. 1931 01:29:48,738 --> 01:29:51,378 So if we can't do that, 1932 01:29:51,378 --> 01:29:55,274 we absolutely shouldn't be slaughtering pigs at all. 1933 01:29:55,274 --> 01:29:59,118 So theoretically, what humane alternatives to CO2 1934 01:29:59,118 --> 01:30:01,308 would the AWC like to see in the future? 1935 01:30:01,308 --> 01:30:03,288 We don't know what the answer is. 1936 01:30:03,288 --> 01:30:05,058 And there's work going on at the moment 1937 01:30:05,058 --> 01:30:08,298 on the use of nitrogen foams. 1938 01:30:08,298 --> 01:30:11,268 But if we knew what the answer was, 1939 01:30:11,268 --> 01:30:13,548 I can assure you we would've recommended 1940 01:30:13,548 --> 01:30:15,738 that it had to be in place now. 1941 01:30:15,738 --> 01:30:18,408 Until there is an alternative available 1942 01:30:18,408 --> 01:30:19,668 wouldn't the recommendation be 1943 01:30:19,668 --> 01:30:21,843 to just stop killing pigs altogether? 1944 01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:23,688 I thought you might ask that. 1945 01:30:23,688 --> 01:30:25,908 We've had the problem, haven't we? 1946 01:30:25,908 --> 01:30:28,878 I can only say that I'm not here to make any comment 1947 01:30:28,878 --> 01:30:32,568 about people's lifestyle and people's choices. 1948 01:30:32,568 --> 01:30:35,238 I'm here that people farm and therefore, 1949 01:30:35,238 --> 01:30:38,688 while people are farming, I believe those animals 1950 01:30:38,688 --> 01:30:40,580 must have a good life and a good end. 1951 01:30:42,180 --> 01:30:44,478 But just from the AWCs position, 1952 01:30:44,478 --> 01:30:45,738 wouldn't they just advise the government 1953 01:30:45,738 --> 01:30:47,388 you should stop killing pigs immediately 1954 01:30:47,388 --> 01:30:50,063 because they're suffering horribly in these chambers? 1955 01:30:51,660 --> 01:30:53,008 No, we haven't advised that. 1956 01:30:53,008 --> 01:30:56,208 And I don't think that comes under our remit. 1957 01:30:56,208 --> 01:30:57,363 Even as advice. 1958 01:30:58,530 --> 01:31:00,258 Even as advice 1959 01:31:00,258 --> 01:31:05,178 The industry know there's no humane, humane, 1960 01:31:05,178 --> 01:31:06,948 viable method of slaughter at the moment. 1961 01:31:06,948 --> 01:31:09,768 But economically, that's what we've got. 1962 01:31:09,768 --> 01:31:14,810 A possible alternatives may be using a non-aversive gas 1963 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:20,120 to render the animal unconscious, argon, for example. 1964 01:31:20,250 --> 01:31:24,588 I've known researchers looking into alternatives to this 1965 01:31:24,588 --> 01:31:28,038 and stopping eating pigs and poultry as a result. 1966 01:31:28,038 --> 01:31:30,708 Even the ones they're trialing as a better option 1967 01:31:30,708 --> 01:31:33,918 are absolutely horrendous. 1968 01:31:33,918 --> 01:31:35,583 And CO2 is worse. 1969 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:39,168 Other examples, electrical stunning, 1970 01:31:39,168 --> 01:31:40,560 which has its own problems. 1971 01:31:42,030 --> 01:31:42,828 They're getting a shock 1972 01:31:42,828 --> 01:31:45,213 through their brain and their body. 1973 01:31:46,050 --> 01:31:48,243 That's not at all acceptable. 1974 01:31:49,506 --> 01:31:50,898 I'd really like to expand on it a bit 1975 01:31:50,898 --> 01:31:55,188 because the conversation usually is steered towards trying 1976 01:31:55,188 --> 01:31:57,258 to find the right way to kill. 1977 01:31:57,258 --> 01:31:59,538 Wouldn't the most humane thing be 1978 01:31:59,538 --> 01:32:00,551 to not kill the animals at all. 1979 01:32:00,551 --> 01:32:04,548 Through the animal's eyes their life is just as precious 1980 01:32:04,548 --> 01:32:07,368 and important to them as your life is to you 1981 01:32:07,368 --> 01:32:09,138 or mine is to me. 1982 01:32:09,138 --> 01:32:10,368 If you wouldn't trade places 1983 01:32:10,368 --> 01:32:11,748 with an animal in a slaughterhouse 1984 01:32:11,748 --> 01:32:13,908 to be humanely slaughtered, 1985 01:32:13,908 --> 01:32:15,918 I think that will tell you everything you need to know 1986 01:32:15,918 --> 01:32:18,108 about whether or not it is justified 1987 01:32:18,108 --> 01:32:20,688 to do this to these innocent beings. 1988 01:32:20,688 --> 01:32:23,568 The word humane slaughter, what do you think of that word? 1989 01:32:23,568 --> 01:32:25,008 It's a non sequitur. 1990 01:32:25,008 --> 01:32:26,967 The two don't go together. 1991 01:32:26,967 --> 01:32:27,978 You can't treat someone humane 1992 01:32:27,978 --> 01:32:29,868 and then slaughter them, you know? 1993 01:32:29,868 --> 01:32:32,360 Well, how can it be humane if it's a slaughter, 1994 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:34,638 that's impossible. 1995 01:32:34,638 --> 01:32:35,718 They don't go together. 1996 01:32:35,718 --> 01:32:37,218 Come on. 1997 01:32:37,218 --> 01:32:41,118 That's just another way to pull the wool over our eyes. 1998 01:32:41,118 --> 01:32:43,668 It's all about finance. 1999 01:32:43,668 --> 01:32:45,888 So the word humane means to show compassion, 2000 01:32:45,888 --> 01:32:48,168 kindness, or benevolence. 2001 01:32:48,168 --> 01:32:50,358 How can you be kind to an animal 2002 01:32:50,358 --> 01:32:52,908 when you are robbing them of their existence? 2003 01:32:52,908 --> 01:32:54,978 Animals have a desire to live. 2004 01:32:54,978 --> 01:32:57,228 They want to continue their experience. 2005 01:32:57,228 --> 01:33:01,218 And whenever you are thinking about what's humane, 2006 01:33:01,218 --> 01:33:02,208 what's not humane, 2007 01:33:02,208 --> 01:33:04,398 try to put yourself in the victim's position. 2008 01:33:04,398 --> 01:33:07,608 If you didn't feel any pain before you were killed, 2009 01:33:07,608 --> 01:33:10,158 would it be morally acceptable to kill you? 2010 01:33:10,158 --> 01:33:12,558 That's a question people have to ask themselves. 2011 01:33:12,558 --> 01:33:17,088 And especially for something as trivial as a flavor. 2012 01:33:17,088 --> 01:33:21,828 Ask yourself this, is the fleeting satisfaction, 2013 01:33:21,828 --> 01:33:25,038 the fleeting taste pleasure you get from eating an animal 2014 01:33:25,038 --> 01:33:28,638 worth more to you than an animal's entire existence 2015 01:33:28,638 --> 01:33:30,498 is worth to them. 2016 01:33:30,498 --> 01:33:32,088 You have to weigh that up. 2017 01:33:32,088 --> 01:33:34,758 I don't think there's any such thing as humane slaughter. 2018 01:33:34,758 --> 01:33:38,448 Those animals do not want to die. 2019 01:33:38,448 --> 01:33:42,228 They are full of life, and curiosity, 2020 01:33:42,228 --> 01:33:46,218 emotionally sensitive beings who want to explore the world. 2021 01:33:46,218 --> 01:33:48,228 How can something be humane 2022 01:33:48,228 --> 01:33:50,838 when you are taking from an animal 2023 01:33:50,838 --> 01:33:54,378 the thing that is the most precious to any animal, 2024 01:33:54,378 --> 01:33:56,883 including us, is our life? 2025 01:33:57,870 --> 01:33:59,628 Humane Slaughter Association. 2026 01:33:59,628 --> 01:34:00,461 What a joke. 2027 01:34:00,461 --> 01:34:02,148 There is no such thing. 2028 01:34:02,148 --> 01:34:05,898 It's us trying to fool ourselves that we can be kind 2029 01:34:05,898 --> 01:34:10,833 to animals by killing them, by actually taking their life. 2030 01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:15,378 This decision isn't about survival. 2031 01:34:15,378 --> 01:34:17,448 This isn't life or death, it is for the animals. 2032 01:34:17,448 --> 01:34:18,498 But it's really just a choice 2033 01:34:18,498 --> 01:34:21,708 of changing to a plant-based product for us. 2034 01:34:21,708 --> 01:34:23,058 And just because we've done something 2035 01:34:23,058 --> 01:34:24,918 for a long period of time, 2036 01:34:24,918 --> 01:34:26,628 that doesn't mean we should continue to do it. 2037 01:34:26,628 --> 01:34:27,918 There's a lot of bad things 2038 01:34:27,918 --> 01:34:29,448 that have happened throughout history 2039 01:34:29,448 --> 01:34:31,818 and just because they're part of traditions 2040 01:34:31,818 --> 01:34:33,948 or have been passed down through generations, 2041 01:34:33,948 --> 01:34:36,228 that doesn't mean we have a moral justification 2042 01:34:36,228 --> 01:34:37,638 to continue doing them. 2043 01:34:37,638 --> 01:34:40,308 Just as we believe that all humans deserve 2044 01:34:40,308 --> 01:34:44,268 to be treated with dignity, respect, and compassion, 2045 01:34:44,268 --> 01:34:45,438 we should also extend 2046 01:34:45,438 --> 01:34:47,793 that same moral consideration to animals. 2047 01:34:48,690 --> 01:34:51,168 All sentient beings, no matter their species 2048 01:34:51,168 --> 01:34:54,708 deserve to have rights protecting them from enslavement, 2049 01:34:54,708 --> 01:34:57,768 exploitation, abuse, and murder. 2050 01:34:57,768 --> 01:34:58,643 You're here. 2051 01:35:00,142 --> 01:35:00,933 Come on. 2052 01:35:00,933 --> 01:35:03,108 So immediately after I rescued the piggies from the farm, 2053 01:35:03,108 --> 01:35:05,598 we took them straight away to a safe place. 2054 01:35:05,598 --> 01:35:08,268 Awaiting them was basically a new home 2055 01:35:08,268 --> 01:35:09,678 where they could be with their own kind 2056 01:35:09,678 --> 01:35:12,168 and they can just live out their lives 2057 01:35:12,168 --> 01:35:14,568 and do all the things pigs love to do, 2058 01:35:14,568 --> 01:35:16,608 nuzzle in the ground, and play with hay, 2059 01:35:16,608 --> 01:35:18,978 and eat all the lovely foods. 2060 01:35:18,978 --> 01:35:22,308 So yeah, it was a very wholesome moment. 2061 01:35:22,308 --> 01:35:23,183 There you go. 2062 01:35:24,863 --> 01:35:25,956 There you go. 2063 01:35:30,810 --> 01:35:31,803 Just like a puppy. 2064 01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:37,428 I feel you never see what's wrong with it 2065 01:35:37,428 --> 01:35:40,458 until you see it and witness it. 2066 01:35:40,458 --> 01:35:45,500 And I would've never have thought I would've been a vegan. 2067 01:35:46,110 --> 01:35:47,778 It never crossed my mind. 2068 01:35:47,778 --> 01:35:50,613 My parents and nobody I know is, really. 2069 01:35:51,612 --> 01:35:54,471 But that turned me, 2070 01:35:54,471 --> 01:35:57,048 that turned me the complete opposite way. 2071 01:35:57,048 --> 01:35:59,430 No longer eat meat at all. 2072 01:36:01,947 --> 01:36:04,788 And witness what I've witnessed it isn't a nice thing 2073 01:36:04,788 --> 01:36:06,078 and I wouldn't wish that on anybody 2074 01:36:06,078 --> 01:36:07,278 to witness what I've witnessed. 2075 01:36:07,278 --> 01:36:10,893 But I feel people do need to realize what we're consuming, 2076 01:36:11,940 --> 01:36:13,878 So three months after I'd rescued the two piglets, 2077 01:36:13,878 --> 01:36:16,720 we visited the animal sanctuary that was now their home. 2078 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,418 They had a surrogate mother 2079 01:36:20,418 --> 01:36:22,493 and they were free to run around and play. 2080 01:36:23,694 --> 01:36:25,068 It's so funny. 2081 01:36:25,068 --> 01:36:26,478 Can we think for ourselves 2082 01:36:26,478 --> 01:36:29,838 and actually think, okay, yeah, we've been doing it this way 2083 01:36:29,838 --> 01:36:34,189 for a while, but actually we are healthier as a vegan. 2084 01:36:34,189 --> 01:36:36,468 We have a chance to save the planet, 2085 01:36:36,468 --> 01:36:37,968 reduce greenhouse gas emissions, 2086 01:36:37,968 --> 01:36:40,847 reduce wildlife extinctions by going vegan. 2087 01:36:40,847 --> 01:36:43,788 And we don't have to actually kill these creatures at all 2088 01:36:43,788 --> 01:36:48,078 and put them through this absolute torture 2089 01:36:48,078 --> 01:36:49,998 because by far the most cruelty 2090 01:36:49,998 --> 01:36:51,348 that's committed in the UK 2091 01:36:51,348 --> 01:36:54,108 is to farmed animals by a million miles. 2092 01:36:54,108 --> 01:36:55,518 If I was gonna eat that hot dog 2093 01:36:55,518 --> 01:36:58,101 that I just ate in a cinema and you came and told me 2094 01:36:58,101 --> 01:37:01,098 that this hot dog here, gas chamber is mad, 2095 01:37:01,098 --> 01:37:02,350 I would've put it down. 2096 01:37:03,313 --> 01:37:05,478 It's just, that's wrong. 2097 01:37:05,478 --> 01:37:07,263 I would actually come on, 2098 01:37:08,169 --> 01:37:11,343 I'd come and stand outside and say, stop. 2099 01:37:12,300 --> 01:37:13,728 Yeah, seriously. 2100 01:37:13,728 --> 01:37:18,468 I think I've realized for myself that I couldn't expect 2101 01:37:18,468 --> 01:37:21,108 the industry to do the right thing. 2102 01:37:21,108 --> 01:37:25,248 I couldn't expect the government to do anything about it. 2103 01:37:25,248 --> 01:37:28,938 I raised all these concerns and nothing changed. 2104 01:37:28,938 --> 01:37:30,588 I was in that industry for four years 2105 01:37:30,588 --> 01:37:33,318 solely with the purpose of improving welfare. 2106 01:37:33,318 --> 01:37:35,613 And I couldn't change anything. 2107 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:39,828 So I think consumers mustn't rely 2108 01:37:39,828 --> 01:37:43,998 on any sort of welfare improvements coming 2109 01:37:43,998 --> 01:37:45,228 further down the line. 2110 01:37:45,228 --> 01:37:47,658 It is really, truly horrific. 2111 01:37:47,658 --> 01:37:50,628 And I don't know how to word that seriously enough 2112 01:37:50,628 --> 01:37:54,438 like it is, I've got such a bit of PTSD 2113 01:37:54,438 --> 01:37:56,430 from what I had to do in that industry. 2114 01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:02,568 And I think the only solution is to not buy into it at all. 2115 01:38:02,568 --> 01:38:06,048 Do not fund any of these industries 2116 01:38:06,048 --> 01:38:09,003 that are exploiting sentient beings. 2117 01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:14,208 Based on my experience, it's very clear that the industry 2118 01:38:14,208 --> 01:38:16,818 and the government won't make this change for us. 2119 01:38:16,818 --> 01:38:19,068 Not while there's this much money involved. 2120 01:38:19,068 --> 01:38:20,115 So the people at home 2121 01:38:20,115 --> 01:38:22,338 and the people who are buying these products 2122 01:38:22,338 --> 01:38:23,178 really have to realize 2123 01:38:23,178 --> 01:38:25,428 that the power really is in their hands. 2124 01:38:25,428 --> 01:38:26,568 The power is in their hands. 2125 01:38:26,568 --> 01:38:29,598 So much so that if everyone in the UK 2126 01:38:29,598 --> 01:38:31,758 and the world stopped buying these products, 2127 01:38:31,758 --> 01:38:33,948 slaughterhouse would no longer exist. 2128 01:38:33,948 --> 01:38:36,138 'Cause there would be no reason for them to. 2129 01:38:36,138 --> 01:38:38,838 So if every single individual had the mindset 2130 01:38:38,838 --> 01:38:41,448 that together we can make a difference, 2131 01:38:41,448 --> 01:38:45,067 then they can realize really the power is in their hands. 2132 01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:37,008 So there's been some huge breaking news. 2133 01:39:37,008 --> 01:39:39,798 Pilgrim's have announced that they'll be closing down 2134 01:39:39,798 --> 01:39:41,448 their Manchester gas chamber. 2135 01:39:41,448 --> 01:39:43,668 This comes just two weeks after we released 2136 01:39:43,668 --> 01:39:44,928 the footage on social media, 2137 01:39:44,928 --> 01:39:46,758 which garnered over 2 million views 2138 01:39:46,758 --> 01:39:48,858 and made national news headlines. 2139 01:39:48,858 --> 01:39:49,938 We actually did it. 2140 01:39:49,938 --> 01:39:50,988 We shut 'em down. 2141 01:39:50,988 --> 01:39:52,829 But that's not the end of it. 2142 01:39:52,829 --> 01:39:55,398 There are still gas chambers all over the UK and the world. 2143 01:39:55,398 --> 01:39:59,101 Although we've won the battle, the war is far from over.