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And all the way now
from Navan

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and the banks of the Boyne,
Dr. Pierce Brendan Brosman.

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Of course I wear suede
on a bloody hot day

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and the sun's coming down.

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Say, tuck your shirt,
good Lord.

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Lick your lips,
sit up straight.

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It was a great
introduction for Bond.

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When I was on the tour
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every time
I had introduced the film,

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I would go to the back
of the theater just to watch.

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Wayne Michaels
was the stuntman.

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Wayne Michaels
jumped off that dam,

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spent two weeks there
going up on the dam every day,

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and the conditions were
not right.

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The conditions
were not right.

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Then one day he stood up
on the dam

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and the conditions were right

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and he just stood there.

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Took the swallow dive pose,
looked up,

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and just as
he was about to dive off,

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the Italian crane driver
who was hoisting him

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back up on the bungee
just went...

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You have to keep that dive.

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You have to keep
the horizon line all the way.

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As soon as your head turns,
you're inverted.

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That's it. Snap.

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So he did it twice.

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Did it twice.
Quite extraordinary.

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It was a great opening
for the movie.

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It was a great opening
for my career as James Bond.

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I think "GoldenEye"
is one of the best.

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You know what I mean?
It's iconic.

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Of course,
the irony of an Irishman

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playing James Bond

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didn't escape
the funny bone of my life.

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I just accepted it and
I think people accepted it.

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I don't think there was
any heavy-handed

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criticism or anything like
that to my playing James Bond...

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as an Irishman.

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Hmm.

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Quite extraordinary time
in life.

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Quite extraordinary.
Powerful.

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The feeling coming at you
like a tsunami was just...

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I remember saying to Keely,
the day I got the job.

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The phone rang and it was
Fred Specktor, my agent,

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and Kevin Huvane,
and they said, "It's yours.

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It's all yours."

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I remember putting the phone
down and saying to Keeley,

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"Hold on to your hat.
This is going to be...

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It's going to be
one wild ride."

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Ten years later, it was.

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My name is Pierce Brosnan,
and we're at The Surfrider

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here in Malibu.

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Malibu's been home forever.

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I dropped in here in '82
and I came to the seaside.

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I was in the Hollywood Hills
to start with, and

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that kind of felt like a home,

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but it was
a little distant and...

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The ocean dragged me
to it, and so,

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I've been here ever since,

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and it's a good part of
the world.

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I love LA, I hate LA.

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I love LA and drives me nuts.

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I fly in over it and think,
"Why do I live here?"

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But I live out there
at the beach.

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It's gorgeous.
It's been good to me.

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Yes, I'm from Navan,
County Meath.

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I grew up on
the banks of the river Boyne.

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My father, God bless him,
Tom Brosnan, he--he...

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went off into the hills
and never to return.

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So my mother
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and being
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in a very...

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closed environment

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and Catholicism really did

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kind of...

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mangle somewhat the lives
of many people,

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even though there was

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the prayer to God
and Jesus and happiness.

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But, uh...

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the marriage didn't work out,

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and being a single mother
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they made you feel it.

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A cloistered town, like Navan,

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there was no escaping.

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My mother left
when I was a young lad

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to be a nurse in England.

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That was
her courage and her glory,

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and thank God she did,

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and she went off
to make a life.

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So I lived with
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then an aunt and an uncle.

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One way or the other, Navan is

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very much part of my life.

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And you acknowledge that.
It's your roots.

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It's who you come from.

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It's the seed and the bone
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of your soul somewhat.

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And then when I was eleven
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my mother finally
found her footing in England

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and got her nursing degrees
and sent for me,

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and we were reunited.

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So those first eleven
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were very, somewhat solitary.

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But I think it's what gave me
the interior life of an actor

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and of an artist,
and made me the man I am today.

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So I landed in London and
was reunited with my mother

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on the same day
that Ian Fleming passed away.

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I didn't realize that for many,
many years.

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The sun was shining.

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I was looking...

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for the cars
with the big wings.

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I thought they were there,
but they weren't.

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They were just little cars
like in Ireland.

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And we lived in Putney.

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Number 72
Chelverton Road, Putney.

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My mother and stepfather
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Putney High Street.

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First film I saw,
"Goldfinger."

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I'd never seen the likes of it.

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I was just bedazzled.

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I was good at art and I was
good at English,

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and my essays were strong.
The art wasn't bad.

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I left school at 16
with nothing

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but a cardboard folder
of drawings,

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paintings of flowers,
plants, people.

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And I got a job,

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again in Putney,
drawing straight lines,

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Watering the spider plants

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and making cups of tea
for the three other guys.

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And that was it.
I was an artist.

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I almost went into the army,
almost became a cop.

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I would have been a good
soldier, I think.

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Would have been
a good cop.

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Acting, really...

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acting kind of
came out of the blue.

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One day I was hanging
my coat up in the studio,

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talking to a colleague from
the photographic department,

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talking about movies.

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And he said,
"You should come along

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to the Oval House Theater."

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I said, "What is it?"
And he said, "It's an arts lab.

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They do workshops."

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I went along and that was it.

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This other world
revealed itself to me,

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and also my inner self too.

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And workshops, which were

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the beginning of
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as an artist.

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I got cast in
an American production,

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"The Manions of America,"

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six-part mini series
on the Irish potato famine.

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So Ireland came back into me,

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came back into my life.

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I was unknown.
My late wife Cassie said,

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"You know,
we should go to America."

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I said, "How the hell
are we going to go to America?

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We just bought
this house in Wimbledon."

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She'd just done a James Bond
movie, "For Your Eyes Only."

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I've done
the six-hour miniseries.

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I said, "This is
too stressful, no, no.

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I want to do a play
at the royal court."

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And she said "No,
we should go to America."

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I said, "But
we don't have the money."

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And she said, "I'll find a way."
And she did.

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She took out a second mortgage
on the central heating.

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Sent me down to the bank
manager in Raynes Park

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to get an overdraft
for £2,000.

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Said I had a job.
Big lie. Little lie.

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She was right, you know.
She was absolutely

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on-the-nose,
pitch perfect right.

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Got the overdraft.
Freddie Laker used to do

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cheap flights to LA.

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100 quid.
Bring your own sandwiches.

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Friend of mine said,
"You can stay at our place."

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It was right there
on the strip.

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Had a room in the back,
a waterbed.

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Rented a car
from Rent-A-Wreck.

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Got to Hollywood.
Got an agent.

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Very first interview.
Across Laurel Canyon.

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My God, here I am.
I'm in Hollywood.

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I'm going for a job.

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I'm in this beat-up
old piece of crap car.

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I'm going for a job.

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It blew up and
I had to walk down, CBS.

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They were looking
for Remington Steele.

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I said, "I'll do it."

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I screen tested.
I got the job.

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I worked my tail off.
It was so stressful.

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10, 12 pages a day,
dialogue,

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but I was good on dialogue.
I was fast.

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I played with a lot
of alacrity.

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Back then I did, anyway,
coming out of the theatre,

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coming out of
English speaking theatre.

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Tongue.

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Precision.
Precision.

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So I would rattle through the
dialogue and they'd write more.

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You know, at this,
I could make a career.

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How much pride
did you have then

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when Remington Steele
shot an episode in Ireland

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at a time when there was
no real film or tv industry?

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Uh...

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Well, I was very proud.

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I think that's...

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probably an understatement.

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Here I am with an American
TV series, "Remington Steele."

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I played Remington.

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It's 1984, the Olympic Games
are coming to Los Angeles

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and we decide
to take the show abroad.

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And I said, well,

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"Remington is an enigma.
We don't know who he is.

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Why doesn't he go
look for his father?"

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Remington looks for his father,
Pierce looks for his father.

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It all dovetailed rather well.

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But I loved the movies.

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I wanted to be up there

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in some wild dream,
some notion.

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But, you know,

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that's just a notion.
That's just a dream.

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The actual practical doing of
day-to-day living

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is get a job, go to work.

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Get a job, do it well,

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come home,
do it again,

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as an actor.

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So Keely and I are still
trucking down the road here,

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30 years,

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sorting the world out.

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And the boys are grown

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and we want to go back
to Ireland to make movies.

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We have a couple of ideas,

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so we know enough people
over there now

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to raise a bit of money
and

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make a "fill-im."

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Welcome to the
20th IFTA Awards ceremony

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taking place here tonight

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at the
Dublin Royal Convention Centre.

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I think what's quintessentially
Irish

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is that whatever is
happening at the time,

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we'll claim it.

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We're "glic out." We're clever,

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We claimed Obama.
We claim whoever we want.

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I left when I was a young boy.

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I left when I was six.

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There's something
about people here,

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they're so kind.

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In the darkest of times,
there's a great sense of humor.

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My dad's homemade brown bread.

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That's what's
quintessentially Irish to me.

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Are we good at trying
to hide things from people,

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cover, you know...
not being totally open?

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Sometimes, like,
bare-faced honesty,

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and it's quite shocking.

255
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Brendan Gleeson,

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red hair, charming,

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gift of the gab.

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They're all Irish traits,
I think.

259
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So it sounds like I'm
in the tourist board now,

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but an openness,

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and maybe
it's because of age

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and the difference between
when I was young

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and what
happened to the country.

264
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Suddenly there was this huge
curiosity of the world.

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My missus is French, so
I spent a lot of time in France.

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And their idea of
who the Irish are

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is a great rootedness,

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a great openness,

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a great joie de vivre.

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We're a mysterious and
complex people

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with lots of
traumatic legacy behind us.

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A quintessential Irish
characteristic

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has to be
the Irish welcome.

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And it was something
that I noticed living in London

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five years,
took me a while.

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And I went back home and
everywhere I looked,

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somebody was warm to me.

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Someone helped me,
someone held a door for me.

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Someone said, "Oh, that's
my favorite chocolate bar, too."

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That's the Irish welcome.

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It expects nothing back
in return except to

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give you a little bit
of kindness in your day.

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And that, for me,
defines Ireland.

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You say you're
from Ireland and people

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immediately are warm to you.

286
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Other people get jealous, like,

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why does everyone
like the Irish so much?

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You may find Irish people
are socially

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or politically judgmental,

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but they're personally
very tolerant.

291
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Are there quintessentially
Irish characteristics

292
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or traits that you find?

293
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Of course there are.

294
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I wouldn't be here
if there weren't.

295
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I'm married to an Irish girl
and she's my savior.

296
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I'm Anglo-Saxon,

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with all the sort of
heavy German boringness

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that that brings.

299
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And she is a Celt,
a will-of-the-wisp,

300
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a difficult, edgy thoroughbred,

301
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and comes from a family
of storytelling

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and comes from a country
which has survived on that.

303
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There's something deeply...

304
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mystical and powerful
about the Irish.

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What it is,

306
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it's very hard to define,

307
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but we certainly bring it out
in song, in our writing,

308
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the way we spiritually
kind of connect to the world.

309
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The idea of Irish has come

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from the thoughts of
Irish people,

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from the poets, to the history,
to the language.

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But what is largely forgotten

313
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is the natural aspect
of Irish,

314
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the plants. It's the nature,
it's the landscape.

315
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We have certain natural
characteristics as a nation

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to do with connectivity,
to do with humor,

317
00:14:29,385 --> 00:14:32,043
and to do with,
dare I say it, crack.

318
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-And what is crack?

319
00:14:34,356 --> 00:14:38,118
Well, let's just say
it's not a legal substance.

320
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It is a spontaneous fun
that the Irish have,

321
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the ability
to laugh at ourselves,

322
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the ability to create a party
for any occasion,

323
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and having good crack.

324
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I think compassion.

325
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I think we must have
the courage

326
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to stand by our compassion.

327
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No matter
what the adversity is,

328
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it's that incredible spirit
of never giving up.

329
00:15:02,936 --> 00:15:04,524
I'm here.
Yes, I have my hopes

330
00:15:04,524 --> 00:15:06,526
and aspirations
and great dreams,

331
00:15:06,526 --> 00:15:09,184
but I fear nothing
and so I'm free.

332
00:15:09,184 --> 00:15:12,566
That is what makes Ireland
such a great country now.

333
00:15:23,853 --> 00:15:27,098
My wife, Greta, who's
from Perth in Western Australia,

334
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her first day in Ireland,

335
00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:30,722
I tried and failed
to find a pub

336
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that had traditional music,
having promised her

337
00:15:33,277 --> 00:15:35,520
she would have this great treat
of traditional music.

338
00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,385
So I went into this pub
and I was getting desperate,

339
00:15:38,385 --> 00:15:40,249
so I asked the lady behind
the counter,

340
00:15:40,249 --> 00:15:42,217
"Do you know any place
in Kenmare

341
00:15:42,217 --> 00:15:43,425
where there might be
Irish music?"

342
00:15:43,425 --> 00:15:45,289
She said,
"Sure, I'll play for you."

343
00:15:45,289 --> 00:15:48,085
And she pulled down
a fiddle and started playing.

344
00:15:48,085 --> 00:15:50,225
She would play,
she would finish,

345
00:15:50,225 --> 00:15:52,468
pull a few pints
and start playing again.

346
00:15:52,468 --> 00:15:54,781
And for me,
that was the essence of Ireland.

347
00:15:54,781 --> 00:15:56,127
That was Ireland at its best.

348
00:16:05,516 --> 00:16:06,620
And I can always say

349
00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:08,036
I played with
the Irish Youth Orchestra.

350
00:16:08,036 --> 00:16:09,451
Can I say that?
Can I say that?

351
00:16:12,902 --> 00:16:15,560
"Going to the pictures,"
that's a great phrase,

352
00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,286
"Are you going
to the pictures?"

353
00:16:17,286 --> 00:16:19,392
Michael D. Higgins
is a great character,

354
00:16:19,392 --> 00:16:22,153
full of bonhomie and
mischief.

355
00:16:22,153 --> 00:16:23,948
This passion for the arts and

356
00:16:23,948 --> 00:16:28,021
the creativity of souls
and the harmony of people.

357
00:16:28,021 --> 00:16:31,024
Huge fan of Michael D.
I think he's a great president.

358
00:16:31,024 --> 00:16:32,784
He's done a huge amount
for the country.

359
00:16:32,784 --> 00:16:34,821
The present strength of
a multi-skilled

360
00:16:34,821 --> 00:16:36,029
creative film community

361
00:16:36,029 --> 00:16:37,755
on the island of Ireland

362
00:16:37,755 --> 00:16:39,929
is the result of committed,

363
00:16:39,929 --> 00:16:42,035
loyal supporters of film

364
00:16:42,035 --> 00:16:43,657
and decades of work.

365
00:16:43,657 --> 00:16:46,660
I think it was very important
that when I became

366
00:16:46,660 --> 00:16:49,387
the first Minister for Arts,
Culture and the <i>Gaeltacht,</i>

367
00:16:49,387 --> 00:16:52,425
that I had experience
with the community

368
00:16:52,425 --> 00:16:54,634
involved in filmmaking.

369
00:16:54,634 --> 00:16:57,154
So therefore
it was never for me

370
00:16:57,154 --> 00:17:00,191
going to be
simply a commodity.

371
00:17:00,191 --> 00:17:03,022
The late Prime Minister
Albert Reynolds,

372
00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,609
he met me and he said,
"Michael,

373
00:17:04,609 --> 00:17:06,301
what do you need
to get it all going?"

374
00:17:06,301 --> 00:17:08,510
I said, "I can get all of this
running quickly

375
00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:10,201
for 15 million."

376
00:17:10,201 --> 00:17:13,273
Everything I did
was against the tide.

377
00:17:13,273 --> 00:17:14,550
I was accused regularly

378
00:17:14,550 --> 00:17:17,001
that I was building
an empire. I was.

379
00:17:17,001 --> 00:17:18,520
We immediately,

380
00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,971
immediately
had five major projects.

381
00:17:21,971 --> 00:17:24,250
I knew that difficulties
had arisen

382
00:17:24,250 --> 00:17:27,218
in relation to the making
of "Braveheart" in Scotland.

383
00:17:27,218 --> 00:17:29,669
And Mel Gibson himself came

384
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:31,533
and there was
a four-hour meeting.

385
00:17:31,533 --> 00:17:33,431
We said, "We can help, yeah."

386
00:17:33,431 --> 00:17:37,021
At that meeting,
Chris O'Grady negotiated

387
00:17:37,021 --> 00:17:40,576
30 first assistant posts
at every level,

388
00:17:40,576 --> 00:17:43,510
including an assistant
to Mel Gibson himself.

389
00:17:43,510 --> 00:17:45,685
And that became
the model of our scheme.

390
00:17:45,685 --> 00:17:48,101
You could make
any film in Ireland now

391
00:17:48,101 --> 00:17:50,414
and you wouldn't have
a skill shortage.

392
00:17:50,414 --> 00:17:52,519
"Braveheart" came to Dunsany.

393
00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:55,522
The church scene, in which
the French princess marries,

394
00:17:55,522 --> 00:17:57,662
was filmed right over there.

395
00:17:57,662 --> 00:18:00,182
I was ten years old,
hiding in bushes,

396
00:18:00,182 --> 00:18:02,702
and there was this
homeless-looking man.

397
00:18:02,702 --> 00:18:05,463
It was Mel Gibson,
dressed in costume.

398
00:18:05,463 --> 00:18:08,087
Big biceps, not very tall.

399
00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,743
And I thought to myself,

400
00:18:09,743 --> 00:18:12,194
"There's the 'Lethal Weapon'
guy."

401
00:18:12,194 --> 00:18:14,023
And I thought,
"Isn't this fantastic?"

402
00:18:14,023 --> 00:18:16,198
And I followed him around

403
00:18:16,198 --> 00:18:18,925
from behind, peering,

404
00:18:18,925 --> 00:18:21,445
watching him direct,

405
00:18:21,445 --> 00:18:22,998
and I knew
I wanted to do the same,

406
00:18:22,998 --> 00:18:24,517
and if I could have the biceps,

407
00:18:24,517 --> 00:18:26,760
that would also be good, too.

408
00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,693
We have been
very lucky in Ireland

409
00:18:28,693 --> 00:18:31,075
to have such outstanding
acting talents,

410
00:18:31,075 --> 00:18:32,594
production talents.

411
00:18:32,594 --> 00:18:34,458
It tells us that you have,
in fact,

412
00:18:34,458 --> 00:18:36,805
put a structure in place

413
00:18:36,805 --> 00:18:38,531
to make everything possible.

414
00:18:38,531 --> 00:18:41,741
Whatever small contribution
my policies made,

415
00:18:41,741 --> 00:18:44,640
that was just
a contribution to a structure

416
00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,401
that makes
other things possible.

417
00:18:46,401 --> 00:18:48,127
It had been my dream.

418
00:18:48,127 --> 00:18:50,715
Ross White,
accompanied by Oscar.

419
00:18:51,716 --> 00:18:54,305
- Pleasure to meet you.
- I saw your [indistinct].

420
00:18:58,102 --> 00:19:01,312
It isn't just the director
and the script writer.

421
00:19:01,312 --> 00:19:03,383
It's all those
who make it possible,

422
00:19:03,383 --> 00:19:05,247
and those, in fact, actually

423
00:19:05,247 --> 00:19:08,492
who provide the hot meals
at the breaks.

424
00:19:09,665 --> 00:19:11,011
The Republic of Ireland
today

425
00:19:11,011 --> 00:19:14,774
is a country with a past
that tugs at your heart

426
00:19:14,774 --> 00:19:17,777
and a future that's shaping
the world.

427
00:19:17,777 --> 00:19:21,367
And it's a global force
in culture and the arts

428
00:19:21,367 --> 00:19:24,439
and evidenced by
the 14 Oscar nominations

429
00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:27,580
went to
Irish artists this year,

430
00:19:27,580 --> 00:19:29,340
The pride, the <i>bród,</i>

431
00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:30,790
that we all felt like,
seeing

432
00:19:30,790 --> 00:19:32,930
the Irish takeover
at the Oscars.

433
00:19:32,930 --> 00:19:35,829
Best director, Best Actor,
Best Supporting Actor,

434
00:19:35,829 --> 00:19:37,072
Best Supporting Actress,

435
00:19:37,072 --> 00:19:39,212
Best International Film
for "An Calín Ciúin."

436
00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:40,317
It's extraordinary.

437
00:19:40,317 --> 00:19:41,870
I love that film.

438
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:43,665
It just broke my heart

439
00:19:43,665 --> 00:19:47,496
because of my own aloneness
as a child

440
00:19:47,496 --> 00:19:49,671
of being wanted or not wanted.

441
00:19:51,362 --> 00:19:53,640
You hear things, you see things.

442
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,196
"Calín Ciúin."
Stunning piece of work

443
00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:59,474
by this man and wife team.

444
00:19:59,474 --> 00:20:02,477
It's lovely to see
Irish films be celebrated.

445
00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:06,481
Colm Bairéad.

446
00:20:09,484 --> 00:20:11,210
We're the first Irish
language feature film

447
00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:12,314
to be nominated for the Oscars

448
00:20:12,314 --> 00:20:13,660
and the first time
an Irish film

449
00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:16,284
has been nominated in
this particular category,

450
00:20:16,284 --> 00:20:18,596
which is the international
film category.

451
00:20:18,596 --> 00:20:20,702
And of course,
an Irish person is famously

452
00:20:20,702 --> 00:20:22,151
associated with
the Oscars themselves.

453
00:20:22,151 --> 00:20:25,465
The golden statuette
is designed by Cedric Gibbons.

454
00:20:25,465 --> 00:20:27,674
There's an Irish wave
certainly coming to Hollywood.

455
00:20:27,674 --> 00:20:29,780
Hopefully the luck of
the Irish will follow us, too.

456
00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:33,024
I was so moved by
the warmth conveyed

457
00:20:33,024 --> 00:20:35,510
in the award-winning
live action short film

458
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:37,166
"An Irish Goodbye."

459
00:20:49,489 --> 00:20:52,423
"An Calín Ciúin,"
which made history.

460
00:20:58,395 --> 00:21:01,501
The journey has been absolutely
extraordinary for us.

461
00:21:01,501 --> 00:21:03,607
It's been a complete whirlwind.

462
00:21:06,610 --> 00:21:08,646
We've been at the BAFTAs
and the Oscars.

463
00:21:08,646 --> 00:21:10,338
- Now it's the IFTAs.
- Yeah, I mean,

464
00:21:10,338 --> 00:21:12,823
I guess it worked out
pretty well, right?

465
00:21:12,823 --> 00:21:16,067
Winning an Oscar
is fantastic.

466
00:21:16,067 --> 00:21:17,690
And it's
so special to be here tonight

467
00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:19,968
at the IFTAs, you know,
the final stop on the journey.

468
00:21:19,968 --> 00:21:21,625
To sort of finish at home

469
00:21:21,625 --> 00:21:23,972
makes it extra special
for us all.

470
00:21:23,972 --> 00:21:25,560
Quintessentially Irish.

471
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,217
I mean, we're great at
congratulating ourselves.

472
00:21:28,217 --> 00:21:29,840
And here we are at
the IFTAs.

473
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:30,806
Next presenter,

474
00:21:30,806 --> 00:21:33,326
the greatest man
that ever lived,

475
00:21:33,326 --> 00:21:36,329
Mr. John C. Reilly.

476
00:21:39,746 --> 00:21:42,646
I know what you're thinking,

477
00:21:42,646 --> 00:21:44,475
What the hell is he
doing here?

478
00:21:45,683 --> 00:21:47,927
Well, I couldn't
get a seat at the Oscars

479
00:21:47,927 --> 00:21:50,550
because there are so many
Irish people there this year,

480
00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:52,138
but I thought I'd try
my luck here.

481
00:21:54,347 --> 00:21:55,693
The culture
and traditional writing

482
00:21:55,693 --> 00:21:57,799
in this country
is so profoundly rich,

483
00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:59,697
and there has been
a real gear shift

484
00:21:59,697 --> 00:22:01,596
in terms of
the way that Ireland

485
00:22:01,596 --> 00:22:03,045
is presented on screen.

486
00:22:03,045 --> 00:22:05,047
There's less of
the old Irish tourist board

487
00:22:05,047 --> 00:22:06,152
presentation of this country.

488
00:22:06,152 --> 00:22:08,016
We've got great dramas
and here we have a drama

489
00:22:08,016 --> 00:22:10,674
that's full of Irish women
who look gorgeous.

490
00:22:10,674 --> 00:22:13,193
Nobody's peeling at
any point in the kitchen.

491
00:22:13,193 --> 00:22:14,885
You know?
It's just fantastic.

492
00:22:14,885 --> 00:22:17,094
And the winner is

493
00:22:17,094 --> 00:22:18,440
"The Banshees of Inisherin."

494
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,725
Is part of
the huge success of "Banshees"

495
00:22:27,725 --> 00:22:30,383
the fact that it's
quintessentially Irish?

496
00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:35,215
No, I think it's a story told
in a particular idiom.

497
00:22:35,215 --> 00:22:36,665
The fact
that you can tell a story

498
00:22:36,665 --> 00:22:39,012
in the Irish idiom,
in the Irish landscape,

499
00:22:39,012 --> 00:22:40,945
give it an epic quality,

500
00:22:40,945 --> 00:22:44,535
maintain a very ordinary sense
of humanity within it

501
00:22:44,535 --> 00:22:45,847
and do extraordinary
things with it.

502
00:22:45,847 --> 00:22:47,814
So that's where
I think the success is.

503
00:22:47,814 --> 00:22:49,540
It's not that it's Irish,
it's that it's good.

504
00:22:51,059 --> 00:22:53,579
What is so wonderfully,
quintessentially Irish

505
00:22:53,579 --> 00:22:56,167
- about Sinead O'Connor?
- Ooh!

506
00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:58,066
Goodness. Oof.

507
00:22:58,066 --> 00:23:01,966
I think her ability to
tell very authentic stories.

508
00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:04,486
Her voice is
quintessentially Irish.

509
00:23:04,486 --> 00:23:06,315
I think she sounds
like a keening

510
00:23:06,315 --> 00:23:08,628
from the depths of
ancient Ireland,

511
00:23:08,628 --> 00:23:10,492
the most fabulous icon

512
00:23:10,492 --> 00:23:12,425
we could be
lucky enough to have.

513
00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:14,876
So, yeah, that's
what I think about Sinead.

514
00:23:16,947 --> 00:23:19,743
So I was in
a tiny little village

515
00:23:19,743 --> 00:23:22,021
in the south of France
last week,

516
00:23:22,021 --> 00:23:23,919
and I went to
the local village hall

517
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:25,990
where there
was a production

518
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:27,958
of "Da" by Hugh Leonard.

519
00:23:27,958 --> 00:23:30,443
And I don't
understand French,

520
00:23:30,443 --> 00:23:33,619
but opposite me
were an Irish family

521
00:23:33,619 --> 00:23:35,483
who didn't understand French.

522
00:23:35,483 --> 00:23:38,831
And the rest
of the hall was filled with

523
00:23:38,831 --> 00:23:42,351
French people who thought
it was hilarious and very Irish.

524
00:23:42,351 --> 00:23:47,184
And there's
this sense of the absurd,

525
00:23:47,184 --> 00:23:50,394
which the Irish absolutely,
inherently,

526
00:23:50,394 --> 00:23:51,947
seemed to understand.

527
00:23:51,947 --> 00:23:53,777
Perhaps it's to do
with the nature

528
00:23:53,777 --> 00:23:55,641
of the people
in the country itself.

529
00:23:55,641 --> 00:23:57,850
Add to that the diaspora

530
00:23:57,850 --> 00:24:01,578
and the people who profoundly
associate themselves,

531
00:24:01,578 --> 00:24:04,684
often mistakenly,
with this country.

532
00:24:04,684 --> 00:24:07,376
Then you've got
a lot of influence.

533
00:24:07,376 --> 00:24:09,137
We like society.

534
00:24:09,137 --> 00:24:10,552
We're not solitary people.

535
00:24:10,552 --> 00:24:12,692
That's why when
we go abroad, we engage

536
00:24:12,692 --> 00:24:14,625
and we connect very well.

537
00:24:14,625 --> 00:24:16,696
I've been in many countries

538
00:24:16,696 --> 00:24:18,215
where I've
seen Irish communities.

539
00:24:18,215 --> 00:24:19,423
They make an impact

540
00:24:19,423 --> 00:24:24,290
above and beyond what
the numbers might suggest.

541
00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:25,533
As an island community,

542
00:24:25,533 --> 00:24:26,844
we're surrounded
by the Atlantic Ocean,

543
00:24:26,844 --> 00:24:28,328
north, south, east and west.

544
00:24:28,328 --> 00:24:30,572
And we go beyond
the Aran islands,

545
00:24:30,572 --> 00:24:31,918
then the next step after that

546
00:24:31,918 --> 00:24:33,713
is the east coast
of America.

547
00:24:33,713 --> 00:24:34,990
We do travel.

548
00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:37,924
As a people,
we have travelled far.

549
00:24:37,924 --> 00:24:40,720
Every corner of the world
has an Irish man,

550
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,204
a woman there somewhere

551
00:24:42,204 --> 00:24:44,828
left to seek fame and fortune.

552
00:24:44,828 --> 00:24:47,209
The prime minister of
New Zealand was called Muldoon.

553
00:24:47,209 --> 00:24:49,211
The prime minister of
Australia was called Keating.

554
00:24:49,211 --> 00:24:50,627
The prime Minister of
Great Britain

555
00:24:50,627 --> 00:24:52,007
was called Callahan.

556
00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:54,907
The prime minister
of Canada was called Mulroney.

557
00:24:54,907 --> 00:24:56,840
The president
of the United States was Reagan,

558
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,532
and--wait for it--
the president of France,

559
00:24:59,532 --> 00:25:01,534
de Gaulle,
traced his origins back

560
00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:03,743
to the McCartans
in County Down.

561
00:25:03,743 --> 00:25:06,953
It is kind of like
an extraordinary empire

562
00:25:06,953 --> 00:25:09,749
which wasn't built by military
might or force of arms,

563
00:25:09,749 --> 00:25:11,475
but just by the fact
that so many people

564
00:25:11,475 --> 00:25:12,683
left this island.

565
00:25:12,683 --> 00:25:14,133
And the bad news is that, like,

566
00:25:14,133 --> 00:25:17,239
10 million people in history
have left Ireland.

567
00:25:17,239 --> 00:25:18,931
But the good news is
that 10 million people

568
00:25:18,931 --> 00:25:20,346
in history have left Ireland

569
00:25:20,346 --> 00:25:24,281
because what we now have
is a phenomenal global tribe.

570
00:25:24,281 --> 00:25:26,870
We've no plans
to invade anybody soon.

571
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:28,699
I think the last time
we had a home win was

572
00:25:28,699 --> 00:25:30,494
1014 against the Danes.

573
00:25:30,494 --> 00:25:32,772
We haven't had
great success since then.

574
00:25:32,772 --> 00:25:36,327
You see manifestations of
this Irish diaspora

575
00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:37,984
in all sorts of places,
like James Hoban,

576
00:25:37,984 --> 00:25:39,676
who built the White House.

577
00:25:39,676 --> 00:25:41,332
And in these rooms,
we see the dreams

578
00:25:41,332 --> 00:25:43,472
of one Irish builder made real.

579
00:25:43,472 --> 00:25:44,784
When George Washington

580
00:25:44,784 --> 00:25:47,994
chose James Hoban
to design the White House,

581
00:25:47,994 --> 00:25:50,169
the young architect had
his credentials

582
00:25:50,169 --> 00:25:51,826
from the Dublin Society.

583
00:25:51,826 --> 00:25:55,001
The Irish played a huge part
in building America.

584
00:25:55,001 --> 00:25:57,521
A million people left Ireland

585
00:25:57,521 --> 00:25:59,178
mostly for
the United States

586
00:25:59,178 --> 00:26:01,525
between 1815 and 1845.

587
00:26:01,525 --> 00:26:04,701
And they're established when
the great famine wave comes,

588
00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:06,461
when 2 million people go.

589
00:26:06,461 --> 00:26:09,533
The Irish between
1815-1845

590
00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:12,260
are described as
Protestant and prudent.

591
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:15,470
They are now property owners
in Boston and so forth.

592
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:18,300
They're not necessarily
welcoming 2 million people

593
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:19,370
coming in on top of them.

594
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:21,580
So you begin to get
the scatter of the Irish

595
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,167
throughout the United States.

596
00:26:23,167 --> 00:26:27,447
Most of them are descended
from post-famine emigrants.

597
00:26:27,447 --> 00:26:30,934
And those people left Ireland
with a sense of grievance

598
00:26:30,934 --> 00:26:33,971
about the circumstances
that had led to their departure.

599
00:26:33,971 --> 00:26:35,663
When they arrived in America,

600
00:26:35,663 --> 00:26:39,356
they were not warmly
received by Americans.

601
00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:41,910
There was a party
in the 1840s and '50s

602
00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:43,774
that wanted to send
the Irish home,

603
00:26:43,774 --> 00:26:46,225
and therefore
they banded together.

604
00:26:46,225 --> 00:26:50,194
The Irish proved themselves
to be assets to America,

605
00:26:50,194 --> 00:26:52,541
and that transformed
the image of Ireland

606
00:26:52,541 --> 00:26:54,336
in the United States
to the benefit

607
00:26:54,336 --> 00:26:56,511
of our country
going forward from there.

608
00:26:56,511 --> 00:26:58,789
And one of the key moments
was the Civil War,

609
00:26:58,789 --> 00:27:01,033
where Irish people
joined the Union forces.

610
00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:03,276
Those who came into New York
very often were recruited

611
00:27:03,276 --> 00:27:05,382
within weeks and were off
fighting in the Civil War

612
00:27:05,382 --> 00:27:07,211
under the leadership
of Thomas Francis Meagher,

613
00:27:07,211 --> 00:27:09,144
a good Waterford man
like myself.

614
00:27:09,144 --> 00:27:12,596
Irish America is
a remarkable phenomenon.

615
00:27:12,596 --> 00:27:15,944
Many Irish Americans are 4th,
5th, 6th generation,

616
00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:17,705
and yet a surprising
number of them

617
00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:19,810
have an affinity with Ireland,

618
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:21,294
an affiliation with Ireland,

619
00:27:21,294 --> 00:27:25,402
an affection for Ireland
that is hugely beneficial

620
00:27:25,402 --> 00:27:27,438
from an Irish point of view.

621
00:27:27,438 --> 00:27:29,820
There's a difference between
Irish-born people

622
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:31,995
who live in the United States,
for example,

623
00:27:31,995 --> 00:27:33,962
and Irish Americans.

624
00:27:33,962 --> 00:27:37,276
They are not the same people.
They are different tribes.

625
00:27:37,276 --> 00:27:39,278
And very often people who may
have a series

626
00:27:39,278 --> 00:27:42,039
of other ethnic definitions
in their background

627
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,283
don't choose them,
but they choose the Irish one.

628
00:27:44,283 --> 00:27:46,734
The Americans
want to love the Irish.

629
00:27:46,734 --> 00:27:50,116
They want to be more Irish
than the Irish are themselves.

630
00:27:50,116 --> 00:27:51,497
I don't believe
that Ireland would have

631
00:27:51,497 --> 00:27:54,431
become independent in
the way it did in the early '20s

632
00:27:54,431 --> 00:27:57,054
had it not been for
the influence of Irish America.

633
00:27:57,054 --> 00:28:00,333
And likewise, I'm not sure
that the Good Friday Agreement

634
00:28:00,333 --> 00:28:02,128
would have emerged in
in the way it did,

635
00:28:02,128 --> 00:28:04,061
but for the influence of
Irish Americans,

636
00:28:04,061 --> 00:28:05,994
persuading
the Clinton administration

637
00:28:05,994 --> 00:28:08,790
to take
an active interest in Ireland.

638
00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:11,068
I remember
being in Belfast during

639
00:28:11,068 --> 00:28:14,451
those months leading up
to the final agreement in 1998.

640
00:28:14,451 --> 00:28:17,005
The word would go round--
the White House is on the line!

641
00:28:17,005 --> 00:28:18,455
Which meant
that President Clinton,

642
00:28:18,455 --> 00:28:19,870
the busiest man in the world,

643
00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:22,839
was picking up the phone
to ring politicians

644
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:24,979
in Northern Ireland
to urge them

645
00:28:24,979 --> 00:28:26,912
to make those final moves,

646
00:28:26,912 --> 00:28:29,535
to make a compromise
and a settlement possible.

647
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:33,815
You have all
heard the expression,

648
00:28:33,815 --> 00:28:35,886
every St. Patrick's Day,

649
00:28:35,886 --> 00:28:37,336
every Irishman goes out

650
00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:39,372
to find another Irishman
to make a speech to.

651
00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:42,237
Well, that's why I'm here.

652
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:46,517
The St. Patrick's Day
festivities in Washington, D. C.

653
00:28:46,517 --> 00:28:49,210
would not happen because
Ireland's a jolly good country.

654
00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:51,971
No, it happens
because Irish Americans

655
00:28:51,971 --> 00:28:53,939
are a jolly good community.

656
00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:55,837
You visited the White House.

657
00:28:55,837 --> 00:28:58,737
How proud were you
to be at that reception?

658
00:28:59,668 --> 00:29:01,084
It was a proud morning.

659
00:29:01,084 --> 00:29:03,742
It was a chilly morning,
but the food was good,

660
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:05,536
the hospitality was great.

661
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:08,436
President Joe Biden,
he was very gracious to me.

662
00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:11,059
We had a good chat
about Ireland and fishing.

663
00:29:11,059 --> 00:29:12,751
The taoiseach of Ireland.

664
00:29:17,238 --> 00:29:19,412
I don't know how many countries
there are

665
00:29:19,412 --> 00:29:22,105
that have an annual date
in the calendar

666
00:29:22,105 --> 00:29:23,831
for a meeting
with the US president,

667
00:29:23,831 --> 00:29:25,591
the sheer extraordinary
pleasure

668
00:29:25,591 --> 00:29:27,489
of an occasion like that.

669
00:29:27,489 --> 00:29:29,975
Some of my European
colleagues in Washington

670
00:29:29,975 --> 00:29:31,666
were tearing their hair out
at how

671
00:29:31,666 --> 00:29:33,979
we could pull off this one

672
00:29:33,979 --> 00:29:36,533
and have a full day
in Washington devoted

673
00:29:36,533 --> 00:29:38,673
to Ireland's prime minister.

674
00:29:38,673 --> 00:29:40,226
And I know people at home
in Ireland

675
00:29:40,226 --> 00:29:41,780
can be cynical
about these things.

676
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,609
"Oh, it's all
a bit of blarney."

677
00:29:43,609 --> 00:29:44,955
No, it's not.

678
00:29:44,955 --> 00:29:47,475
You get a chance to sit down

679
00:29:47,475 --> 00:29:50,064
with the most powerful person
in the world for an hour.

680
00:29:50,064 --> 00:29:54,068
And then you meet that person
over lunch for an hour,

681
00:29:54,068 --> 00:29:55,932
and then you spend an hour
with them

682
00:29:55,932 --> 00:29:57,865
in the evening at
a reception at the White House.

683
00:29:57,865 --> 00:30:02,455
So this is an extraordinary
blessing and boost for Ireland.

684
00:30:02,455 --> 00:30:03,974
Niall Horan.

685
00:30:06,943 --> 00:30:08,737
Happy Paddy's day, everyone.

686
00:30:11,016 --> 00:30:12,258
And for the Americans,

687
00:30:12,258 --> 00:30:14,260
that's not with two Ts,
that's two Ds.

688
00:30:15,537 --> 00:30:17,850
When I was sat down
to write my first album,

689
00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:19,093
the first thing
that came to my mind

690
00:30:19,093 --> 00:30:21,820
was my hometown of Mullingar.

691
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,926
And... emotional.
Um...

692
00:30:26,238 --> 00:30:27,722
It's a song called "This Town,"

693
00:30:27,722 --> 00:30:30,207
and it's about, effectively,

694
00:30:30,207 --> 00:30:33,383
an immigration song
about traveling the world and

695
00:30:33,383 --> 00:30:36,800
knowing that I'll always
have Mullingar to go back to.

696
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,767
And the chorus basically says,

697
00:30:38,767 --> 00:30:39,941
if the whole world
was watching,

698
00:30:39,941 --> 00:30:41,460
I'd still dance with you.

699
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:45,153
And it's effectively
about my hometown.

700
00:30:45,153 --> 00:30:47,259
If you know the words,
you can sing along.

701
00:30:47,259 --> 00:30:49,813
If you don't, good.
That's fine, too.

702
00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:52,574
Where have you been hiding?

703
00:30:56,061 --> 00:30:58,097
It's a wonderful day
to be Irish in London.

704
00:30:58,097 --> 00:31:00,789
We'll paint Trafalgar
Square Green until Friday,

705
00:31:00,789 --> 00:31:02,722
and then we'll paint
the England rugby team Green

706
00:31:02,722 --> 00:31:04,552
- on Saturday.

707
00:31:04,552 --> 00:31:05,933
Take it easy.

708
00:31:17,496 --> 00:31:19,739
We want to
celebrate our Irishness,

709
00:31:19,739 --> 00:31:21,500
our language, personality,

710
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,882
our love of
music and literature,

711
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,400
all aspects of life.

712
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,264
We celebrate St. Patrick's Day,

713
00:31:27,264 --> 00:31:29,059
and he might be Welsh
or wherever he's from, but sure,

714
00:31:29,059 --> 00:31:30,543
all we want
to do is party anyway.

715
00:31:30,543 --> 00:31:34,030
St. Patrick, who is known
often as our patron saint,

716
00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:37,826
is ironic because
he's not traditionally Irish,

717
00:31:37,826 --> 00:31:39,069
because he was
a foreigner.

718
00:31:39,069 --> 00:31:41,313
Not Irish.
That's very surprising to me.

719
00:31:41,313 --> 00:31:42,970
Was St. Patrick Irish?

720
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,351
Of cour--no.
No, he's actually English,

721
00:31:45,351 --> 00:31:47,595
and then he got
taken into Ireland.

722
00:31:47,595 --> 00:31:49,286
I know the story.

723
00:31:49,286 --> 00:31:51,495
No, I don't believe he was.

724
00:31:51,495 --> 00:31:53,601
Is that meant to be
a trick question?

725
00:31:53,601 --> 00:31:56,259
No, he wasn't, actually.
But that's okay.

726
00:31:57,743 --> 00:32:00,539
He's a great brand ambassador.
Do you know what I mean?

727
00:32:00,539 --> 00:32:03,542
It's great to have him.
Don't like snakes, so.

728
00:32:03,542 --> 00:32:05,647
My only issue with
St. Patrick's Day

729
00:32:05,647 --> 00:32:07,960
is why did we have to
pick a festival

730
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,928
in the middle of March,
which is usually

731
00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,826
the coldest month of the year,

732
00:32:11,826 --> 00:32:14,518
with an easterly breeze
that cuts through everything.

733
00:32:14,518 --> 00:32:16,520
And as a child and as
a grown adult,

734
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,626
standing by,
reporting on things,

735
00:32:18,626 --> 00:32:21,594
I've stood around in the cold
too often on St Patrick's Day.

736
00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:23,286
I wish we had it in June.

737
00:32:24,252 --> 00:32:25,702
He is buried in County Down,

738
00:32:25,702 --> 00:32:27,255
our neighboring county,

739
00:32:27,255 --> 00:32:29,292
and he was a shepherd
on Slemish Mountain.

740
00:32:29,292 --> 00:32:30,914
We usually have
a little get-together

741
00:32:30,914 --> 00:32:32,157
with friends and family.

742
00:32:32,157 --> 00:32:33,986
We have to keep
that tradition alive.

743
00:32:35,712 --> 00:32:38,128
The palace is turned green.

744
00:32:38,128 --> 00:32:40,303
The Niagara Falls
has been turned green.

745
00:32:40,303 --> 00:32:42,167
What I call
the greening tower of Pisa.

746
00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:44,410
And now in the White House.
An amazing feat

747
00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:47,172
that our country
has that ability

748
00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:49,070
to appeal to people
around the world,

749
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:52,073
even those that have no...

750
00:32:52,073 --> 00:32:55,249
ancestral connection
with Ireland.

751
00:32:55,249 --> 00:32:58,045
Thank you very much,
those with links to Ireland.

752
00:32:58,045 --> 00:33:00,012
Those of us without links
but pretend

753
00:33:00,012 --> 00:33:01,462
to have links with Ireland.

754
00:33:01,462 --> 00:33:03,774
We're really grateful
for the massive contribution

755
00:33:03,774 --> 00:33:05,604
the Irish have made to
our city

756
00:33:05,604 --> 00:33:09,159
in culture,
in music and in the arts.

757
00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:10,885
Previous generations,
the people that I met,

758
00:33:10,885 --> 00:33:12,852
the older people
who were still there in Britain

759
00:33:12,852 --> 00:33:15,338
after maybe 50 years
living in the country,

760
00:33:15,338 --> 00:33:18,237
they had built Britain,
in many cases, with their hands.

761
00:33:18,237 --> 00:33:20,205
The Irish that came in
the period

762
00:33:20,205 --> 00:33:22,690
leading up to my arrival
in London,

763
00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:24,002
were designing Britain.

764
00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:26,314
They were actually operating
at a very different level.

765
00:33:26,314 --> 00:33:29,110
The Irish have given some
service to Britain

766
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:31,492
over the years
and we kind of run the place,

767
00:33:31,492 --> 00:33:33,494
really, if truth be known,
you know.

768
00:33:33,494 --> 00:33:36,773
I mean, I don't think
anyone would dispute that.

769
00:33:36,773 --> 00:33:40,535
All of you seem to
have English accents.

770
00:33:40,535 --> 00:33:42,641
Do you consider yourself Irish?

771
00:33:42,641 --> 00:33:44,505
- Of course, yeah.
- Of course. Of course.

772
00:33:44,505 --> 00:33:46,541
We just interviewed
three of your friends.

773
00:33:46,541 --> 00:33:48,302
- Yeah.
- Are they Irish?

774
00:33:48,302 --> 00:33:51,960
No, they're plastic paddies!
I'm the only true Irish!

775
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,583
I feel sorry
for plastic paddies.

776
00:33:53,583 --> 00:33:56,137
These are the people
who truly want to be Irish,

777
00:33:56,137 --> 00:33:57,690
but don't know what Irish is.

778
00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:59,313
But a plastic paddy is
a person who

779
00:33:59,313 --> 00:34:00,659
never grew up in Ireland,

780
00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:02,661
never grew up with
any of the Irish traditions,

781
00:34:02,661 --> 00:34:04,283
doesn't know
anything about Ireland,

782
00:34:04,283 --> 00:34:06,665
but would like to be Irish.

783
00:34:06,665 --> 00:34:08,736
Was that a bit cruel?

784
00:34:08,736 --> 00:34:10,117
There's quite a few of them.

785
00:34:11,118 --> 00:34:12,360
I know some people say,

786
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,914
"Oh, we should definitely
cast those people aside."

787
00:34:14,914 --> 00:34:16,433
No, they're our people.

788
00:34:16,433 --> 00:34:19,850
Irishness comes in
different shapes and forms.

789
00:34:20,713 --> 00:34:23,337
Plastic paddies,
a really shameful description,

790
00:34:23,337 --> 00:34:25,994
because I think it's
impossible actually to

791
00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:29,584
define Ireland without
reference to its diaspora.

792
00:34:30,654 --> 00:34:32,449
First of all,
they bailed us out,

793
00:34:32,449 --> 00:34:34,451
literally
from the famine and beyond.

794
00:34:34,451 --> 00:34:36,419
And then the children
of these Irish immigrants

795
00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:38,662
really valued
their Irish heritage

796
00:34:38,662 --> 00:34:40,457
when they went to school
and so on.

797
00:34:40,457 --> 00:34:43,426
They not only saw themselves
as American or British,

798
00:34:43,426 --> 00:34:45,807
but they also were very proud
of their Irish heritage

799
00:34:45,807 --> 00:34:47,706
and really put that
on the table.

800
00:34:47,706 --> 00:34:48,638
And as a result of that,

801
00:34:48,638 --> 00:34:50,536
they faced
a lot of discrimination.

802
00:34:50,536 --> 00:34:51,813
Then when
they returned to Ireland,

803
00:34:51,813 --> 00:34:54,022
they weren't accepted
as Irish either.

804
00:34:54,022 --> 00:34:56,991
So they really were isolated,
shot by both sides.

805
00:34:56,991 --> 00:35:00,167
To throw an accusation
that they aren't proper Irish

806
00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:02,686
is hugely insulting
because they are,

807
00:35:02,686 --> 00:35:05,689
and because the current
Ireland wouldn't be where it is.

808
00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:08,244
It wouldn't have
the global networks

809
00:35:08,244 --> 00:35:11,212
that have enabled
multinationals to locate here.

810
00:35:11,212 --> 00:35:12,972
You wouldn't have
the social networks

811
00:35:12,972 --> 00:35:15,423
where people in Ireland
can show up anywhere

812
00:35:15,423 --> 00:35:17,874
and there's a warm,
welcoming hand.

813
00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:20,256
I don't think people
on the island of Ireland

814
00:35:20,256 --> 00:35:22,637
are appreciative enough of

815
00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:25,571
what the international
diaspora have done for us.

816
00:35:27,504 --> 00:35:30,266
My grandfather
had a small 15 acres

817
00:35:30,266 --> 00:35:31,853
of very poor land
in West Claire

818
00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:34,442
and got up every morning
and milked four cows

819
00:35:34,442 --> 00:35:36,306
at 4:00 in the morning.

820
00:35:36,306 --> 00:35:38,826
And my father
didn't want to inherit that.

821
00:35:38,826 --> 00:35:41,932
My father met my mother
and they immigrated to New York.

822
00:35:41,932 --> 00:35:44,072
And my father got involved
in the travel business

823
00:35:44,072 --> 00:35:45,315
with Thomas Cook,

824
00:35:45,315 --> 00:35:47,006
with Aer Lingus
at Kennedy Airport,

825
00:35:47,006 --> 00:35:48,525
and then set up
his own business

826
00:35:48,525 --> 00:35:51,735
and then did the typical paddy:
came home to buy a pub.

827
00:35:51,735 --> 00:35:55,153
I think my family's story
is just a mirror image

828
00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:57,569
of thousands more.

829
00:35:57,569 --> 00:35:59,985
When I'm doing an All-Ireland
Hurling Final on the radio,

830
00:35:59,985 --> 00:36:02,229
I like to reach out
not only to the Irish,

831
00:36:02,229 --> 00:36:03,954
but the descendants
of the Irish.

832
00:36:03,954 --> 00:36:05,370
You are part of us.

833
00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:07,475
You might be 3,000 miles away,

834
00:36:07,475 --> 00:36:10,064
but no matter where you are,
you are family.

835
00:36:10,927 --> 00:36:13,861
In times gone by,
we had JFK coming to Wexford.

836
00:36:13,861 --> 00:36:16,415
We had Ronald Reagan.
We had Joe Biden recently,

837
00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:19,349
who had clearly strong roots
with Louth and Mayo.

838
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:22,939
As the great-great-grandson
of the Blewitts

839
00:36:22,939 --> 00:36:25,528
of County Mayo and
several are here today...

840
00:36:25,528 --> 00:36:27,875
President Biden
traces his Irish ancestry

841
00:36:27,875 --> 00:36:30,153
to County Mayo, as do you.

842
00:36:30,153 --> 00:36:31,327
What is it about the west?

843
00:36:31,327 --> 00:36:33,536
I don't know.

844
00:36:33,536 --> 00:36:36,746
There must be something
in the air or the water.

845
00:36:36,746 --> 00:36:39,611
Don't get me wrong, I love
the other parts of Ireland too,

846
00:36:39,611 --> 00:36:42,165
but it's true that the west
has a special atmosphere.

847
00:36:42,165 --> 00:36:45,893
It's not an easy climate.
It can be very wet and windy.

848
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:48,067
That usually creates
good character

849
00:36:48,067 --> 00:36:50,518
and toughness to face life.

850
00:36:51,761 --> 00:36:54,350
Every American president
is a little bit Irish

851
00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:56,490
- on St. Patrick's Day.

852
00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:58,630
But some
are more Irish than others.

853
00:37:02,012 --> 00:37:03,773
And, um...

854
00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:05,809
I think it's fair to say
that today

855
00:37:05,809 --> 00:37:08,226
we're celebrating
our national day

856
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:09,710
with a president who is

857
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:11,850
unmistakably
a son of Ireland.

858
00:37:17,407 --> 00:37:19,098
Is Joe Biden Irish?

859
00:37:19,098 --> 00:37:22,274
I guess he thinks he's Irish
and I guess that's what matters.

860
00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:25,208
If he wants to be Irish,
let him be Irish.

861
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,083
President Biden
is considered so Irish

862
00:37:38,083 --> 00:37:40,741
that his Secret Service
code name is "Celtic."

863
00:37:51,683 --> 00:37:53,340
AÁINE LAWLOR: The man
is proud in his heart

864
00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:54,893
and his soul to be Irish,

865
00:37:54,893 --> 00:37:56,998
and we saw that on his visit
here to Ireland.

866
00:37:56,998 --> 00:38:00,105
You know, that wasn't
any political theatrics.

867
00:38:00,105 --> 00:38:03,626
As the Irish saying goes,
"Your feet will bring you

868
00:38:03,626 --> 00:38:05,248
where your heart is."

869
00:38:05,248 --> 00:38:08,631
That was a real connection
he'd made, all the way through.

870
00:38:08,631 --> 00:38:10,840
So you're not
cynical about it at all?

871
00:38:12,082 --> 00:38:15,085
You know, politicians
have hearts, too.

872
00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:17,881
Sometimes.

873
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:21,678
Sentiment is a very powerful
force in human affairs.

874
00:38:21,678 --> 00:38:24,371
The fact that Joe Biden
is sentimentally Irish

875
00:38:24,371 --> 00:38:26,476
is, I think,
a huge bonus for Ireland.

876
00:38:26,476 --> 00:38:28,547
Thank you. Thank you.
Wonderful to be back.

877
00:38:28,547 --> 00:38:29,617
Mr. President,
what are your

878
00:38:29,617 --> 00:38:31,826
quintessentially Irish
characteristics?

879
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:36,279
I'm not going to presume.

880
00:38:36,279 --> 00:38:37,867
I'll let others
make that judgment.

881
00:38:37,867 --> 00:38:39,834
He's not just saying he's
Irish for the crack

882
00:38:39,834 --> 00:38:41,664
or like, saying it
to make people happy.

883
00:38:41,664 --> 00:38:43,976
He's obviously saying it
to try and draw in

884
00:38:43,976 --> 00:38:46,669
other people who are
loving their Irish roots.

885
00:38:46,669 --> 00:38:48,705
They're going to cash in
on anything they can,

886
00:38:48,705 --> 00:38:50,569
but it made
for an interesting view.

887
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:52,019
Put it like that.

888
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:08,518
President Joe Biden is
a proud, patriotic American,

889
00:39:08,518 --> 00:39:10,934
but he's also someone
who prides himself

890
00:39:10,934 --> 00:39:12,108
on his Irish heritage.

891
00:39:12,108 --> 00:39:13,420
And he is, by the way,

892
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:17,009
the most Irish president
since John F. Kennedy.

893
00:39:17,009 --> 00:39:19,805
And indeed, he's always
wore his Irish identity

894
00:39:19,805 --> 00:39:21,738
on his sleeve,
on his heart.

895
00:39:21,738 --> 00:39:23,257
Whereas in the case of Kennedy,

896
00:39:23,257 --> 00:39:25,811
Kennedy was a little
more circumspect about it,

897
00:39:25,811 --> 00:39:27,641
because at that time,
back in the '60s,

898
00:39:27,641 --> 00:39:28,883
being an Irish-American

899
00:39:28,883 --> 00:39:31,748
wasn't necessarily
the advantage it carries

900
00:39:31,748 --> 00:39:33,647
in the years since that time.

901
00:39:36,408 --> 00:39:38,962
Presidents
Joe Biden and Barack Obama

902
00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:42,310
have more in common than just
being Irish-Americans.

903
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,002
Both Biden and Obama
are descended

904
00:39:44,002 --> 00:39:47,108
from Irish shoemakers
who emigrated to the States

905
00:39:47,108 --> 00:39:48,593
in the 19th century.

906
00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:55,807
You know,
I know it sounds silly,

907
00:39:55,807 --> 00:39:59,742
but there's so many
Irish-Americans,

908
00:39:59,742 --> 00:40:02,745
like my relatives who got here,

909
00:40:02,745 --> 00:40:07,577
got to America
in 1844, '45 and '46

910
00:40:07,577 --> 00:40:09,510
who've never been back here,

911
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:10,960
and they talk about it.

912
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,514
Mr. President,
why do Irish shoemakers

913
00:40:13,514 --> 00:40:15,067
make great presidents?

914
00:40:15,067 --> 00:40:16,206
Isn't that amazing?

915
00:40:17,311 --> 00:40:18,277
Isn't that amazing?

916
00:40:18,277 --> 00:40:20,797
My great-great-grandfather

917
00:40:20,797 --> 00:40:23,904
left from the same port

918
00:40:23,904 --> 00:40:28,771
five weeks later after Barack's
great-great-grandfather,

919
00:40:28,771 --> 00:40:30,635
and the idea
that they both would

920
00:40:30,635 --> 00:40:32,602
seek a new life

921
00:40:32,602 --> 00:40:35,847
and think that
their great-great-grandsons

922
00:40:35,847 --> 00:40:37,158
would end up being
president of the United States.

923
00:40:37,158 --> 00:40:38,574
That's remarkable.

924
00:40:38,574 --> 00:40:40,679
That's the Irish of it.

925
00:40:44,614 --> 00:40:46,202
President Barack Obama,

926
00:40:46,202 --> 00:40:49,964
he spoke eloquently
about his Irish connections.

927
00:40:49,964 --> 00:40:53,658
The great landscape of
history of Ireland and America,

928
00:40:53,658 --> 00:40:56,177
the men and women
who created this country

929
00:40:56,177 --> 00:41:00,423
came out of desperate times,
dark times, the famine.

930
00:41:00,423 --> 00:41:02,011
I love when Obama came
to Dublin,

931
00:41:02,011 --> 00:41:05,290
his very funny speech about
being Barack <i>O'Bama</i>

932
00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:06,947
from Moneygall, but somehow

933
00:41:06,947 --> 00:41:09,467
the apostrophe
was dropped along the way.

934
00:41:53,614 --> 00:41:55,478
Mr. President,
thank you for spending

935
00:41:55,478 --> 00:41:58,964
so much of your precious time
on our beautiful island.

936
00:41:58,964 --> 00:42:01,311
Thank you for coming home to us.

937
00:42:10,044 --> 00:42:12,219
My name is Ricky Simms.
I'm a sports agent.

938
00:42:12,219 --> 00:42:14,842
I'm from Milford in County
Donegal. I live in Monaco.

939
00:42:14,842 --> 00:42:16,119
Growing up in Milford,

940
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:17,707
which is a small village
outside Letterkenny,

941
00:42:17,707 --> 00:42:18,777
it's a farming community.

942
00:42:18,777 --> 00:42:20,641
I was a sports-mad kid.

943
00:42:20,641 --> 00:42:22,125
I played all kinds of sports.

944
00:42:22,125 --> 00:42:24,300
My opportunity
was with a club called

945
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:25,404
Finn Valley Athletic Club,

946
00:42:25,404 --> 00:42:26,440
which was one of the biggest

947
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,752
athletics clubs in Ireland.

948
00:42:27,752 --> 00:42:29,650
I always say I was good in
Donegal,

949
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:31,272
but I never made it
to the Olympic Games

950
00:42:31,272 --> 00:42:33,205
or the world championships.
I was never really good enough.

951
00:42:33,205 --> 00:42:34,793
When I started working with
the Kenyan athletes,

952
00:42:34,793 --> 00:42:36,519
I realized it was time for me
to stop running,

953
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,935
because they were way,
way faster than I could ever be

954
00:42:38,935 --> 00:42:41,766
if I ate, slept and trained
for the rest of my life.

955
00:42:41,766 --> 00:42:43,561
But I had a talent
for organizing

956
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:44,527
and managing and coaching,

957
00:42:44,527 --> 00:42:46,080
and coming from Donegal

958
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,117
doesn't mean you have
to stay at home on a farm.

959
00:42:48,117 --> 00:42:49,946
You can go and try and
do things around the world,

960
00:42:49,946 --> 00:42:51,396
and that's where
I got really connected

961
00:42:51,396 --> 00:42:52,673
to international athletics.

962
00:43:02,752 --> 00:43:04,651
I met Sonia O'Sullivan,

963
00:43:04,651 --> 00:43:06,204
who was
a big hero in Ireland,

964
00:43:06,204 --> 00:43:07,757
and her coach and agent

965
00:43:07,757 --> 00:43:09,276
was Kim McDonald,
who ran one of

966
00:43:09,276 --> 00:43:11,899
the biggest athletics agencies
in the world at the time.

967
00:43:11,899 --> 00:43:14,246
Traveling to world championships
and seeing how it all worked

968
00:43:14,246 --> 00:43:16,870
gave me the appetite to have
a career in that area.

969
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:18,699
Mo started with us in 2000.

970
00:43:18,699 --> 00:43:20,770
Usain started 2003.

971
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:23,428
In 2012, Usain
was the face of the games.

972
00:43:23,428 --> 00:43:25,948
Mo was maybe the second
most famous athlete there.

973
00:43:25,948 --> 00:43:27,846
One of the iconic photographs
from 2012

974
00:43:27,846 --> 00:43:30,090
was of Usain
doing Mo's celebration,

975
00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:31,712
then Mo doing Usain's
celebration.

976
00:43:31,712 --> 00:43:32,851
That was a good picture.

977
00:43:32,851 --> 00:43:34,681
Who took that picture?

978
00:43:34,681 --> 00:43:35,751
So it was my idea
to get a picture.

979
00:43:35,751 --> 00:43:37,338
Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

980
00:43:37,338 --> 00:43:39,789
- I said, "Okay, let's get it."
- Get a picture, yeah, yeah.

981
00:43:39,789 --> 00:43:41,722
There was probably
100 photographers, like,

982
00:43:41,722 --> 00:43:43,621
swarmed round
and got the photo.

983
00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:46,071
If I'd got it myself,
I probably could have sold it.

984
00:43:46,071 --> 00:43:47,659
We've been together so long,

985
00:43:47,659 --> 00:43:49,661
I have a lot of stories,
so he's nervous.

986
00:43:54,217 --> 00:43:56,150
Yeah, we do.

987
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:58,946
Ricky has meant
a lot to my career.

988
00:43:58,946 --> 00:44:01,811
To find somebody
that believes in you

989
00:44:01,811 --> 00:44:03,192
and believes in your career

990
00:44:03,192 --> 00:44:06,091
helps to propel you to be
the best person you can be.

991
00:44:07,852 --> 00:44:09,232
It doesn't happen every day.

992
00:44:09,232 --> 00:44:12,684
When I started,
I struggled a lot

993
00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:14,824
with injuries,
ups and downs.

994
00:44:14,824 --> 00:44:16,619
It wasn't smooth sailing,

995
00:44:16,619 --> 00:44:19,001
but Ricky always treated
me the same,

996
00:44:19,001 --> 00:44:20,554
and for me, that meant a lot.

997
00:44:20,554 --> 00:44:22,487
So when I actually made it,

998
00:44:22,487 --> 00:44:24,938
it was my way of showing,
like, you know what?

999
00:44:24,938 --> 00:44:27,837
You were loyal to me,
so I'm gonna be loyal to you.

1000
00:44:27,837 --> 00:44:30,150
We have
developed this big family

1001
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:32,117
that is just a wonderful thing.

1002
00:44:32,117 --> 00:44:34,982
One thing I would say
about him

1003
00:44:34,982 --> 00:44:36,743
throughout the championship,

1004
00:44:36,743 --> 00:44:39,607
he's not--he's not
as cool as he looks.

1005
00:44:39,607 --> 00:44:41,333
You know what I mean?
He worries.

1006
00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:42,783
You know what I mean?
No matter how well

1007
00:44:42,783 --> 00:44:44,198
I'll be doing
through the season,

1008
00:44:44,198 --> 00:44:45,821
he's the worrier in the group.

1009
00:44:45,821 --> 00:44:47,823
He worries,
you know what I mean?

1010
00:44:47,823 --> 00:44:49,479
- Thanks for adding that.
- No, I'm just saying.

1011
00:44:49,479 --> 00:44:51,689
- You gotta have a Plan B.
That's him.

1012
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:53,345
You need a Plan C
and a Plan D.

1013
00:44:53,345 --> 00:44:54,450
That's the only thing
I would add,

1014
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:56,866
that he's the worrier
in the group.

1015
00:44:56,866 --> 00:44:58,488
This is why I enjoy being
around him, man.

1016
00:44:58,488 --> 00:45:00,870
I'm always laughing.
He just lighten the mood

1017
00:45:00,870 --> 00:45:02,285
so it's always a fun time.

1018
00:45:02,285 --> 00:45:04,011
Unless he's worrying
about me.

1019
00:45:04,011 --> 00:45:06,738
So I'm funnier than I look?

1020
00:45:06,738 --> 00:45:09,292
I wouldn't go that far.
But--but--

1021
00:45:09,292 --> 00:45:10,811
You're--you're decent.

1022
00:45:12,261 --> 00:45:14,781
The Irish and the Jamaicans
are very, very similar.

1023
00:45:14,781 --> 00:45:16,437
We don't take ourselves
too seriously.

1024
00:45:16,437 --> 00:45:17,645
We like to have a bit of fun.

1025
00:45:17,645 --> 00:45:18,992
They love Guinness in Jamaica.

1026
00:45:18,992 --> 00:45:20,579
Actually,
the most popular drinks

1027
00:45:20,579 --> 00:45:22,167
are Guinness and Hennessy.

1028
00:45:22,167 --> 00:45:23,651
Ireland's a cold
Jamaica,

1029
00:45:23,651 --> 00:45:25,067
and Jamaica
is a hot Ireland.

1030
00:45:25,067 --> 00:45:27,897
So for me, our cultures
mash together,

1031
00:45:27,897 --> 00:45:29,796
and I think that's
one of the reasons

1032
00:45:29,796 --> 00:45:32,971
why me and Ricky
gets along so well.

1033
00:45:32,971 --> 00:45:35,042
One thing we have done
throughout the years

1034
00:45:35,042 --> 00:45:36,975
is that we
just become instinctive.

1035
00:45:36,975 --> 00:45:39,529
He understands me as a person.

1036
00:45:39,529 --> 00:45:42,118
He's watched me
do so much interviews,

1037
00:45:42,118 --> 00:45:44,880
if you ask certain
specific questions,

1038
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,469
he can answer exactly,
almost word for word...

1039
00:45:48,469 --> 00:45:51,024
- I've heard it all before.
- how I would answer questions.

1040
00:45:51,024 --> 00:45:52,853
I've never said this out loud,

1041
00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:55,304
but he has done
a few interviews for me

1042
00:45:55,304 --> 00:45:56,408
without asking.

1043
00:45:57,996 --> 00:46:00,033
Usain Bolt has never actually
been in Ireland,

1044
00:46:00,033 --> 00:46:02,690
which is
quite hard to believe.

1045
00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:04,244
I hope he comes there one day.

1046
00:46:04,244 --> 00:46:06,142
It's not my fault.

1047
00:46:06,142 --> 00:46:07,799
- Oh, it's his fault.
- It's his fault, yeah.

1048
00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:09,214
Definitely his fault.

1049
00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:11,872
Every time they ask me,
I'm like,

1050
00:46:11,872 --> 00:46:13,943
"I'm waiting on Ricky."

1051
00:46:13,943 --> 00:46:16,497
I can't go without him.

1052
00:46:16,497 --> 00:46:18,603
So hopefully he'll make it
to Ireland

1053
00:46:18,603 --> 00:46:20,156
and have
a pint of real Guinness,

1054
00:46:20,156 --> 00:46:21,813
not the stuff
he drinks in Jamaica.

1055
00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:23,470
The premiere
of this film in Ireland

1056
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:25,403
will be the--
This'll be the perfect--

1057
00:46:30,166 --> 00:46:32,065
I went to a small school
on Harcourt Street

1058
00:46:32,065 --> 00:46:33,445
in Dublin called High School.

1059
00:46:33,445 --> 00:46:35,447
Obviously,
the most famous old boys,

1060
00:46:35,447 --> 00:46:37,587
we call them,
was William Butler Yeats.

1061
00:46:37,587 --> 00:46:39,451
But he did mention
about his time in High School.

1062
00:46:39,451 --> 00:46:41,937
He said, "My schooling
interrupted my education."

1063
00:46:41,937 --> 00:46:43,559
I think that put the school

1064
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,595
maybe on the back foot
a little bit, I believe.

1065
00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:48,288
Yeats was very good friends
with my great-grandfather.

1066
00:46:48,288 --> 00:46:49,841
In fact,
they used to play chess.

1067
00:46:49,841 --> 00:46:51,049
My great-grandfather
used to

1068
00:46:51,049 --> 00:46:52,533
beat the living life
out of him in chess,

1069
00:46:52,533 --> 00:46:55,502
which I think created
some awkward moments.

1070
00:46:57,884 --> 00:46:59,540
I'd like to think that Yeats

1071
00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:01,473
got a lot of influence
from Dunsany,

1072
00:47:01,473 --> 00:47:04,200
because when
you walk the lands of Dunsany,

1073
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,858
how can you not be
absorbed by the nature?

1074
00:47:07,894 --> 00:47:11,656
My name is Randal Plunkett.
I'm the 21st Lord Dunsany.

1075
00:47:11,656 --> 00:47:14,279
Once a bodybuilding meathead

1076
00:47:14,279 --> 00:47:16,523
to vegan rewilder

1077
00:47:16,523 --> 00:47:18,628
and protector
of the animals here.

1078
00:47:19,975 --> 00:47:22,253
Here in Ireland,
we are the oldest family

1079
00:47:22,253 --> 00:47:24,462
still associated with one place.

1080
00:47:24,462 --> 00:47:27,361
So among our people,
we've had my father,

1081
00:47:27,361 --> 00:47:29,053
who was an artist,

1082
00:47:29,053 --> 00:47:30,951
my grandfather,
who was a soldier

1083
00:47:30,951 --> 00:47:32,470
who fought Rommel in Africa.

1084
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:34,852
Horace Plunkett,
the founder of the co-ops,

1085
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,992
helped start
the Women's Association.

1086
00:47:36,992 --> 00:47:39,615
And he spent almost all
our money

1087
00:47:39,615 --> 00:47:41,651
building 2,500 schools.

1088
00:47:41,651 --> 00:47:43,964
Because he had an idea,
and the idea was,

1089
00:47:43,964 --> 00:47:45,172
we are now a republic.

1090
00:47:45,172 --> 00:47:47,312
But the way to truly
be free

1091
00:47:47,312 --> 00:47:50,074
was to stand level with
the British

1092
00:47:50,074 --> 00:47:51,765
through education.

1093
00:47:51,765 --> 00:47:53,180
Saint Oliver Plunkett--

1094
00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:54,906
or Oliver Plunkett
at the time---

1095
00:47:54,906 --> 00:47:56,839
was arrested.
They found him guilty,

1096
00:47:56,839 --> 00:47:58,703
and they hung, drew,
and quartered him

1097
00:47:58,703 --> 00:48:00,394
and then set him on fire.

1098
00:48:00,394 --> 00:48:03,294
He looks a bit
like my father even now,

1099
00:48:03,294 --> 00:48:04,674
so that's kind of grim,

1100
00:48:04,674 --> 00:48:06,745
and, in fact, I have
the same bone structure.

1101
00:48:06,745 --> 00:48:08,609
And if you look...

1102
00:48:08,609 --> 00:48:10,404
here and look at the painting,

1103
00:48:10,404 --> 00:48:12,130
you will see some similarities.

1104
00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:13,891
Yes, we've been here a while.

1105
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:15,616
Bit like
that old pair of shoes

1106
00:48:15,616 --> 00:48:16,824
that you can't throw away.

1107
00:48:24,556 --> 00:48:27,007
So this is
a large estate that was

1108
00:48:27,007 --> 00:48:28,664
traditionally a large farm.

1109
00:48:28,664 --> 00:48:31,391
Out of that,
one third is rewilding.

1110
00:48:31,391 --> 00:48:34,532
Now, we removed chemicals,
we removed farm animals.

1111
00:48:34,532 --> 00:48:36,430
We allowed everything
just to become natural.

1112
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:38,605
What happened was
the succession plants came

1113
00:48:38,605 --> 00:48:40,365
and things
just started booming,

1114
00:48:40,365 --> 00:48:43,092
and nobody understood.
Nobody knew what I was doing.

1115
00:48:43,092 --> 00:48:45,681
So they thought
I was a decadent millionaire

1116
00:48:45,681 --> 00:48:48,477
sitting on a good Meath land,
wasting it,

1117
00:48:48,477 --> 00:48:51,307
something that his ancestors
would be ashamed of.

1118
00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:53,102
People started
seeing the animals.

1119
00:48:53,102 --> 00:48:55,760
He had salmon, otters,
hares, deer,

1120
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,212
foxes and pine martin,
red kites, woodpeckers,

1121
00:48:59,212 --> 00:49:01,697
drilling away in the morning,
keeping me up.

1122
00:49:01,697 --> 00:49:05,149
We embrace the smaller
things of being Irish.

1123
00:49:06,633 --> 00:49:09,153
This is not a museum,
and yet it is a museum.

1124
00:49:09,153 --> 00:49:12,018
It's a home, but a home
that is also a museum.

1125
00:49:12,018 --> 00:49:14,986
I don't consider myself to
be an owner. I don't own this.

1126
00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:17,402
I'm a caretaker,
a steward,

1127
00:49:17,402 --> 00:49:20,198
and I have a little tradition,
and it's a family tradition.

1128
00:49:20,198 --> 00:49:22,718
The next generation
decides whether you have

1129
00:49:22,718 --> 00:49:25,134
earned a place on that wall.

1130
00:49:27,654 --> 00:49:28,758
You know,
everything that we have

1131
00:49:28,758 --> 00:49:31,485
in this place is donated
to us by a Dubliner.

1132
00:49:31,485 --> 00:49:32,728
One day we had

1133
00:49:32,728 --> 00:49:34,074
a "'lecky," an electrician,

1134
00:49:34,074 --> 00:49:36,594
in fixing the lights
here in the museum.

1135
00:49:36,594 --> 00:49:38,147
When this electrician
was a boy,

1136
00:49:38,147 --> 00:49:39,907
he was asked by his teacher

1137
00:49:39,907 --> 00:49:41,909
to write a letter
to someone

1138
00:49:41,909 --> 00:49:43,014
who used to
live in his house.

1139
00:49:43,014 --> 00:49:44,188
And him
and his family went back

1140
00:49:44,188 --> 00:49:45,292
and they did a bit of research,

1141
00:49:45,292 --> 00:49:46,604
and they found out,
lo and behold,

1142
00:49:46,604 --> 00:49:49,572
Sam Beckett himself
used to live in his house.

1143
00:49:49,572 --> 00:49:50,988
And he wrote to Sam.

1144
00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:53,852
Samuel wrote back, talking
about his love for the house,

1145
00:49:53,852 --> 00:49:57,132
his memories with his brother,
the room that he was born in.

1146
00:49:57,132 --> 00:49:58,788
Genius, as always,
Beckett signs it.

1147
00:49:58,788 --> 00:50:01,757
"If you ever see my ghost
in house or grounds,

1148
00:50:01,757 --> 00:50:03,241
"give it my regards.

1149
00:50:03,241 --> 00:50:05,830
Yours antiquatedly,
Sam Beckett."

1150
00:50:05,830 --> 00:50:07,625
Oscar is, I think,

1151
00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:10,248
one of the most
quintessential Dubliners,

1152
00:50:10,248 --> 00:50:12,733
you know, for one,
because he didn't stay.

1153
00:50:12,733 --> 00:50:14,701
Many think that he's British.

1154
00:50:14,701 --> 00:50:18,532
Oscar Wilde, of course,
quintessential Londoner.

1155
00:50:18,532 --> 00:50:21,501
I still quote Wilde
now in my speeches.

1156
00:50:21,501 --> 00:50:24,400
One of my favorite
Oscar Wilde quotes is,

1157
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,093
and it applies
to this Tory government.

1158
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:28,473
"They know
the price of everything

1159
00:50:28,473 --> 00:50:30,510
but the value of nothing."

1160
00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:32,926
Can you quote any James Joyce?

1161
00:50:32,926 --> 00:50:36,205
Oh, God. And I've just
been playing James Joyce.

1162
00:50:36,205 --> 00:50:38,345
That's a low blow.
That's a low blow.

1163
00:50:38,345 --> 00:50:39,829
James Joyce, for me, is

1164
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,798
the greatest novelist
of the 20th century.

1165
00:50:42,798 --> 00:50:45,697
He left Ireland as
a young man in 1904.

1166
00:50:45,697 --> 00:50:47,768
In the last 37 years
of his life,

1167
00:50:47,768 --> 00:50:49,805
he only returned
to Ireland three times,

1168
00:50:49,805 --> 00:50:51,496
and yet practically
everything he wrote

1169
00:50:51,496 --> 00:50:54,085
was set in the Ireland
he left in 1904.

1170
00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:55,466
And he wrote about that
incessantly,

1171
00:50:55,466 --> 00:50:57,675
and forensically,
and brilliantly.

1172
00:50:57,675 --> 00:51:00,298
He gives us a picture
of this country

1173
00:51:00,298 --> 00:51:02,507
which is an Ireland
on the cusp of change.

1174
00:51:02,507 --> 00:51:04,785
The great political
transformation took place

1175
00:51:04,785 --> 00:51:08,272
a decade later when Joyce
was already writing "Ulysses."

1176
00:51:08,272 --> 00:51:10,929
What people don't maybe
know enough

1177
00:51:10,929 --> 00:51:14,416
in relation to Joyce's
continual contact with Ireland

1178
00:51:14,416 --> 00:51:16,107
as it was being heard,

1179
00:51:16,107 --> 00:51:18,247
was he kept <i>Raidió EÉirea</i> on

1180
00:51:18,247 --> 00:51:21,319
practically day and night
as his sight was fading.

1181
00:51:21,319 --> 00:51:25,427
When he was buried,
the local ambassador writes over

1182
00:51:25,427 --> 00:51:27,567
to the Secretary of the
Department of Foreign Affairs,

1183
00:51:27,567 --> 00:51:30,501
and the question is,
"Did he die a Catholic?"

1184
00:51:30,501 --> 00:51:34,194
"If he didn't, better
to be safe" and so forth.

1185
00:51:34,194 --> 00:51:35,816
For goodness' sake.

1186
00:51:35,816 --> 00:51:38,267
Well, I have seen
James Joyce's passports

1187
00:51:38,267 --> 00:51:40,545
on display at
the University of Buffalo,

1188
00:51:40,545 --> 00:51:42,478
where they have a huge
collection of Joyce material,

1189
00:51:42,478 --> 00:51:45,032
and they are
both British passports.

1190
00:51:45,032 --> 00:51:46,379
James Joyce famously

1191
00:51:46,379 --> 00:51:47,863
didn't have an Irish passport.

1192
00:51:47,863 --> 00:51:49,416
- Yeah, yeah.
- He traveled on a British one.

1193
00:51:49,416 --> 00:51:50,762
Does that make him
any less Irish?

1194
00:51:50,762 --> 00:51:52,730
No, it doesn't.
It absolutely doesn't,

1195
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:54,766
particularly for what
he's done for our country.

1196
00:51:54,766 --> 00:51:56,665
James Joyce
actually set up

1197
00:51:56,665 --> 00:51:59,702
the first-ever cinema
in Ireland.

1198
00:51:59,702 --> 00:52:01,325
Did he?
I never knew that.

1199
00:52:01,325 --> 00:52:02,395
Does it still exist?

1200
00:52:02,395 --> 00:52:03,568
There's a Penneys

1201
00:52:03,568 --> 00:52:05,536
commemorating the Volta cinema.

1202
00:52:05,536 --> 00:52:07,434
What a shame
it's not there still.

1203
00:52:07,434 --> 00:52:08,849
Have to do with the plaque.

1204
00:52:08,849 --> 00:52:11,645
James Joyce
should be acknowledged

1205
00:52:11,645 --> 00:52:15,270
for his forward thinking
and his passion for cinema.

1206
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:17,582
Yes.
Not many people know.

1207
00:52:17,582 --> 00:52:19,550
He saw,
I think, very early on,

1208
00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:20,861
and it's there in the writing

1209
00:52:20,861 --> 00:52:23,761
of how images
are very important.

1210
00:52:23,761 --> 00:52:26,384
It didn't succeed
not because of Joyce,

1211
00:52:26,384 --> 00:52:28,628
but rather because
it was specializing

1212
00:52:28,628 --> 00:52:30,630
in international and
foreign cinema,

1213
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:32,494
and the market for
that in Ireland at that time

1214
00:52:32,494 --> 00:52:34,634
simply wasn't
great enough to be able

1215
00:52:34,634 --> 00:52:37,326
to sustain
a venture of that kind.

1216
00:52:45,852 --> 00:52:47,716
Well, it's Bloomsday today.

1217
00:52:47,716 --> 00:52:50,684
The festival is normally
a week after Bloomsday,

1218
00:52:50,684 --> 00:52:53,066
but it corresponds today,
and so we did a reading

1219
00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:54,516
this morning, my wife and I,

1220
00:52:54,516 --> 00:52:57,864
to celebrate one of Ireland's
greatest writers, Joyce.

1221
00:52:57,864 --> 00:52:59,728
"Quick warm sunlight

1222
00:52:59,728 --> 00:53:03,387
"came running
from Berkeley Road swiftly,

1223
00:53:03,387 --> 00:53:08,219
"in slim sandals,
along the brightening footpath.

1224
00:53:08,219 --> 00:53:12,499
"Runs... she runs to meet me,

1225
00:53:12,499 --> 00:53:16,020
a girl with golden hair
on the wind."

1226
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:18,574
To be able to read that aloud...

1227
00:53:19,782 --> 00:53:22,268
hopefully will open up the book

1228
00:53:22,268 --> 00:53:24,097
for some people who maybe

1229
00:53:24,097 --> 00:53:25,271
didn't get all the way
through it

1230
00:53:25,271 --> 00:53:27,445
or never read Joyce.

1231
00:53:27,445 --> 00:53:28,791
You know,
I'm an Englishman.

1232
00:53:28,791 --> 00:53:30,690
I was glad the audience
seemed to accept

1233
00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:32,554
that I didn't have
an Irish accent.

1234
00:53:32,554 --> 00:53:35,729
My wife made up
for that with her Molly.

1235
00:53:35,729 --> 00:53:37,317
"She doubled a slice
of bread

1236
00:53:37,317 --> 00:53:38,905
into her mouth, asking,

1237
00:53:38,905 --> 00:53:40,700
What time's the funeral?

1238
00:53:43,703 --> 00:53:47,465
"Eleven, I think," he answered.
"I didn't see the paper."

1239
00:53:47,465 --> 00:53:49,295
The audience certainly seemed
to accept it

1240
00:53:49,295 --> 00:53:52,194
because in a way,
the accent isn't important

1241
00:53:52,194 --> 00:53:54,161
if it doesn't ring out of
the dialogue,

1242
00:53:54,161 --> 00:53:56,474
which with Bloom,
it doesn't really.

1243
00:53:56,474 --> 00:53:58,856
"Did Roberts pay you yet?"

1244
00:53:58,856 --> 00:54:00,961
"9:20."

1245
00:54:00,961 --> 00:54:03,654
"What had Greta Conroy on?"

1246
00:54:03,654 --> 00:54:05,966
"9:23."

1247
00:54:05,966 --> 00:54:08,659
"What possessed me
to buy this comb?"

1248
00:54:08,659 --> 00:54:10,074
"9:24."

1249
00:54:10,074 --> 00:54:13,319
I hope a lot of people
will go to the library here,

1250
00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:16,770
buy a volume and
take it home and try it,

1251
00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:18,979
realize that it's
not as impenetrable

1252
00:54:18,979 --> 00:54:20,533
as people sometimes think.

1253
00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:23,915
"He allowed his bowels
to ease themselves quietly

1254
00:54:23,915 --> 00:54:25,469
"as he read,

1255
00:54:25,469 --> 00:54:28,403
"reading still patiently,

1256
00:54:28,403 --> 00:54:31,302
that slight constipation
of yesterday quite gone."

1257
00:54:33,753 --> 00:54:38,067
"Hope it's not too big.
Bring on piles again.

1258
00:54:38,067 --> 00:54:40,069
No, no, just right."

1259
00:54:42,313 --> 00:54:44,350
In England
we tend to have--

1260
00:54:44,350 --> 00:54:45,834
I swear,
I mustn't generalize,

1261
00:54:45,834 --> 00:54:48,595
but we tend to have
rock festivals everywhere.

1262
00:54:48,595 --> 00:54:51,046
In Ireland
it's slightly more

1263
00:54:51,046 --> 00:54:52,910
mixed in its culture.

1264
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:55,361
I mean, of course, we do
have rock festivals here too,

1265
00:54:55,361 --> 00:54:56,879
but there's other stuff.

1266
00:54:56,879 --> 00:54:59,779
I think it's all part
of the fabric of this society

1267
00:54:59,779 --> 00:55:03,541
and the society I'm very
pleased to be a-blowin' in.

1268
00:55:03,541 --> 00:55:06,061
It's a wonderful weekend.
I don't want too many people

1269
00:55:06,061 --> 00:55:08,374
to come because
then it'll get too big.

1270
00:55:08,374 --> 00:55:10,686
The occasional
person should come.

1271
00:55:11,756 --> 00:55:15,864
James Joyce.
WB Yeats. Jack Yeats.

1272
00:55:18,004 --> 00:55:19,902
I started to collect
Irish paintings

1273
00:55:19,902 --> 00:55:21,421
when I started to have
some money.

1274
00:55:21,421 --> 00:55:23,941
Art is something
you don't buy for profit.

1275
00:55:23,941 --> 00:55:26,288
You buy for what you enjoy
the look of it.

1276
00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:28,083
And it's only
when it's not there

1277
00:55:28,083 --> 00:55:29,429
that you actually miss it,

1278
00:55:29,429 --> 00:55:32,708
because you take it for
granted after a period of time.

1279
00:55:32,708 --> 00:55:34,261
But when
you just take it off the wall,

1280
00:55:34,261 --> 00:55:36,367
even if it's loaned it to
a museum, which I did, it's--

1281
00:55:36,367 --> 00:55:37,851
"Where's my painting?"

1282
00:55:37,851 --> 00:55:41,338
I'd be shocked.
The room was totally dead.

1283
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:44,202
And I found that, to my horror,
loaning a painting,

1284
00:55:44,202 --> 00:55:47,689
I was giving a bit of myself
away for that period of time.

1285
00:55:47,689 --> 00:55:48,621
Did you know that there was

1286
00:55:48,621 --> 00:55:51,071
a big art robbery
in the Tate?

1287
00:55:51,071 --> 00:55:53,833
No, I didn't. How did
they get away with that?

1288
00:55:53,833 --> 00:55:57,354
Oh, she was beautiful painter.
Yeah, I remember this.

1289
00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:59,701
The theft in 1956

1290
00:55:59,701 --> 00:56:02,773
of a priceless piece of
French impressionist art

1291
00:56:02,773 --> 00:56:04,844
from the Tate Gallery
in London

1292
00:56:04,844 --> 00:56:07,950
was the art heist
of the century.

1293
00:56:09,089 --> 00:56:12,299
Hugh Lane was born
in Cork of modest means.

1294
00:56:12,299 --> 00:56:14,301
He came to London and
became

1295
00:56:14,301 --> 00:56:16,511
the preeminent art dealer

1296
00:56:16,511 --> 00:56:18,651
for British
and international art.

1297
00:56:18,651 --> 00:56:22,379
Hugh Lane opened the first
contemporary art gallery.

1298
00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:23,552
He wanted Dublin, Ireland,

1299
00:56:23,552 --> 00:56:25,312
to have its own
contemporary art gallery

1300
00:56:25,312 --> 00:56:29,006
and left this incredible
bequest of contemporary art.

1301
00:56:29,006 --> 00:56:31,353
He was quite
in debt at this stage and

1302
00:56:31,353 --> 00:56:33,079
he had arranged a great sale

1303
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:34,943
which he personally
had to go to the States on.

1304
00:56:34,943 --> 00:56:36,600
He had some kind
of a premonition,

1305
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,567
and he changed his will,

1306
00:56:38,567 --> 00:56:40,845
which had gifted
and granted

1307
00:56:40,845 --> 00:56:42,606
his private
personal collection

1308
00:56:42,606 --> 00:56:44,124
to the National Gallery
of Ireland,

1309
00:56:44,124 --> 00:56:46,333
to the people of Dublin.

1310
00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:49,509
That will had
not been witnessed.

1311
00:56:49,509 --> 00:56:52,616
Sir Hugh Lane went down
in the <i>Lusitania</i>

1312
00:56:52,616 --> 00:56:56,274
and could not see
his great desire and ambition

1313
00:56:56,274 --> 00:56:59,174
to create
a world class collection

1314
00:56:59,174 --> 00:57:01,141
of impressionist art in Dublin.

1315
00:57:01,141 --> 00:57:04,041
Monets, Manets, Renoirs,

1316
00:57:04,041 --> 00:57:06,526
the Tate gallery here
held onto them.

1317
00:57:06,526 --> 00:57:07,734
"They're too good for you.

1318
00:57:07,734 --> 00:57:09,046
"You haven't
got somewhere to put them,

1319
00:57:09,046 --> 00:57:11,082
and then it'd be lost,
it'd be wasted on you."

1320
00:57:11,082 --> 00:57:13,637
My uncle decides

1321
00:57:13,637 --> 00:57:15,639
that he's going to right
this historical wrong.

1322
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,882
Paul and Billy
were doing this

1323
00:57:17,882 --> 00:57:20,298
out of a sense
of moral righteousness.

1324
00:57:20,298 --> 00:57:23,094
51 years after the will
was made,

1325
00:57:23,094 --> 00:57:25,200
the moment came.
The guards were off,

1326
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,512
and they go about the heist.

1327
00:57:26,512 --> 00:57:28,514
"Jour D'EÉté"
by Berthe Morisot

1328
00:57:28,514 --> 00:57:29,860
is the picture
they're going to swipe.

1329
00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:32,518
Uncle Paul lifted it off
the wall,

1330
00:57:32,518 --> 00:57:34,174
walked out the door.

1331
00:57:34,174 --> 00:57:36,004
The photographer was
waiting as planned,

1332
00:57:36,004 --> 00:57:38,731
and took
the iconic picture.

1333
00:57:38,731 --> 00:57:42,044
All of the papers globally
had printed the picture

1334
00:57:42,044 --> 00:57:45,013
knocked off all of the stories
from the world headlines,

1335
00:57:45,013 --> 00:57:47,843
including the marriage of
Grace Kelly to Prince Ranier,

1336
00:57:47,843 --> 00:57:50,812
drawing attention to a...a...

1337
00:57:50,812 --> 00:57:54,160
a kind of great
national outrage

1338
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,921
that had been committed
upon the people of Ireland.

1339
00:57:56,921 --> 00:57:58,578
That sounds ridiculous!

1340
00:57:58,578 --> 00:58:00,235
It's not ridiculous.

1341
00:58:00,235 --> 00:58:01,339
That's not ridiculous.

1342
00:58:01,339 --> 00:58:04,722
I'm making it sound
like the famine here.

1343
00:58:04,722 --> 00:58:07,553
If we can at least get it
back onto Irish soil,

1344
00:58:07,553 --> 00:58:09,313
the gesture will have
been made.

1345
00:58:09,313 --> 00:58:11,798
The Irish embassy in London
immediately handed it back.

1346
00:58:11,798 --> 00:58:14,560
"The Independent"
in London managed to get hold

1347
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,080
of a redacted file
on the events.

1348
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,875
And it was quite clear

1349
00:58:19,875 --> 00:58:22,188
that at the highest
ministerial level

1350
00:58:22,188 --> 00:58:24,742
in the British government,
the decision was made

1351
00:58:24,742 --> 00:58:28,815
not to make martyrs of
Paul Hogan and Bill Fogerty.

1352
00:58:28,815 --> 00:58:30,921
Sarsfield Hogan,
my grandfather,

1353
00:58:30,921 --> 00:58:35,650
was called by Dubliner DCI
McGraw of Scotland Yard.

1354
00:58:35,650 --> 00:58:37,341
"Your boy is on the ferry.

1355
00:58:37,341 --> 00:58:39,964
"He'll be at the north wall
at 7:30 in the morning.

1356
00:58:39,964 --> 00:58:42,829
You can pick him up.
He's not to come back."

1357
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:45,452
They effectively
got away scot-free.

1358
00:58:45,452 --> 00:58:49,284
The publicity generated
led to further discussions and

1359
00:58:49,284 --> 00:58:53,012
it was decided that
the pictures could be shared.

1360
00:58:53,012 --> 00:58:54,841
They came to a compromise
whereby

1361
00:58:54,841 --> 00:58:57,016
they co-own the paintings

1362
00:58:57,016 --> 00:59:00,571
and they rotate
between the two institutions.

1363
00:59:00,571 --> 00:59:02,815
That is a great legal fudge.

1364
00:59:02,815 --> 00:59:04,989
The pictures
must finally be returned

1365
00:59:04,989 --> 00:59:07,751
to their rightful home,
which is Dublin,

1366
00:59:07,751 --> 00:59:11,755
in the municipal gallery
in Parnell Square.

1367
00:59:11,755 --> 00:59:14,861
It is in effect
the Irish Elgin marbles,

1368
00:59:14,861 --> 00:59:16,311
and we want them back.

1369
00:59:16,311 --> 00:59:19,763
We want them back in Dublin
where they belong.

1370
00:59:19,763 --> 00:59:21,350
Really, enough is enough.

1371
00:59:21,350 --> 00:59:23,111
Now bring them back home.

1372
00:59:23,111 --> 00:59:24,837
It would be rude not to.

1373
00:59:24,837 --> 00:59:28,116
I'll have to put my thinking
hat on here, you know.

1374
00:59:28,116 --> 00:59:30,463
"Thomas Crown 2."

1375
00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:34,432
Hugh Lane
played an inadvertent role

1376
00:59:34,432 --> 00:59:36,573
in making Ireland the modern,

1377
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,747
thriving economy
that it is today.

1378
00:59:38,747 --> 00:59:41,267
Paul Hogan's father,
Sarsfield Hogan,

1379
00:59:41,267 --> 00:59:44,339
who is a leading civil servant
in the Irish government.

1380
00:59:44,339 --> 00:59:47,376
Sarsfield Hogan
fully expected to become

1381
00:59:47,376 --> 00:59:50,207
the first secretary of
the Department of Finance.

1382
00:59:50,207 --> 00:59:52,899
But because
his son was involved in

1383
00:59:52,899 --> 00:59:54,038
a diplomatic incident,

1384
00:59:54,038 --> 00:59:56,385
he was overlooked
for promotion.

1385
00:59:56,385 --> 00:59:59,768
And a young TK Whitaker
was appointed in his stead.

1386
00:59:59,768 --> 01:00:02,426
The visionary for
the modern Irish economy,

1387
01:00:02,426 --> 01:00:05,912
he created policies that made
Ireland less protectionist

1388
01:00:05,912 --> 01:00:07,983
and more
international-looking

1389
01:00:07,983 --> 01:00:10,296
from old Ireland to New Ireland.

1390
01:00:10,296 --> 01:00:13,299
So the Tate gallery theft was
the butterfly effect

1391
01:00:13,299 --> 01:00:14,852
that really led Ireland

1392
01:00:14,852 --> 01:00:18,131
into its period
of economic prosperity.

1393
01:00:18,131 --> 01:00:20,858
When I was born,
Ireland was objectively

1394
01:00:20,858 --> 01:00:23,343
the worst educated population
in Europe

1395
01:00:23,343 --> 01:00:24,897
and it's now the best.

1396
01:00:24,897 --> 01:00:28,486
My generation was the first
generation of Irish people

1397
01:00:28,486 --> 01:00:30,281
to have the opportunity

1398
01:00:30,281 --> 01:00:32,698
to be educated
to the highest level.

1399
01:00:32,698 --> 01:00:36,253
Remember,
my first year at school was

1400
01:00:36,253 --> 01:00:39,566
the first year of free education
introduced in the 1960s.

1401
01:00:39,566 --> 01:00:42,259
Most of the people that I met
at college at that time

1402
01:00:42,259 --> 01:00:45,883
were like me, experiencing
university education

1403
01:00:45,883 --> 01:00:48,817
for the first time
in their family history.

1404
01:00:48,817 --> 01:00:51,337
That has been
the transformative element

1405
01:00:51,337 --> 01:00:54,616
that has caused
our country to be changed,

1406
01:00:54,616 --> 01:00:57,377
changed utterly,
in the words of WB Yeats.

1407
01:00:57,377 --> 01:00:58,862
When I first went abroad,

1408
01:00:58,862 --> 01:01:00,829
Ireland was the poorest
country in western Europe

1409
01:01:00,829 --> 01:01:04,833
and I ended up in Berlin
opening a Primark store.

1410
01:01:04,833 --> 01:01:06,904
I've also gone from representing
an Ireland

1411
01:01:06,904 --> 01:01:09,804
that really was identified
with its whiskey,

1412
01:01:09,804 --> 01:01:11,909
Guinness,
and very little else.

1413
01:01:11,909 --> 01:01:16,673
What brings multinationals
here? Is it the weather?

1414
01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:18,744
No.

1415
01:01:18,744 --> 01:01:20,780
They're coming here
for a number of reasons.

1416
01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:23,058
Literally for the first
time in 100 years,

1417
01:01:23,058 --> 01:01:27,442
the dominant industry worldwide
was extremely footloose.

1418
01:01:27,442 --> 01:01:30,756
You had companies like
Microsoft, Facebook,

1419
01:01:30,756 --> 01:01:32,619
Google, Intel,

1420
01:01:32,619 --> 01:01:36,347
all who were knowledge-based,
looking to grow globally.

1421
01:01:36,347 --> 01:01:39,074
Ireland has access
to the European market.

1422
01:01:39,074 --> 01:01:42,284
So suddenly now we are
not at the edge of Europe.

1423
01:01:42,284 --> 01:01:45,978
We're actually a small island
at the center of the world.

1424
01:01:45,978 --> 01:01:47,842
We've got
a highly educated workforce,

1425
01:01:47,842 --> 01:01:49,015
we speak English.

1426
01:01:49,015 --> 01:01:50,776
Culturally,
because of our diaspora,

1427
01:01:50,776 --> 01:01:52,260
are totally in sync,

1428
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:55,228
and we've got the lowest
corporation tax in Europe.

1429
01:01:55,228 --> 01:01:57,575
And bingo,
you've got the perfect storm.

1430
01:01:57,575 --> 01:01:59,508
So, timing was bang-on.

1431
01:01:59,508 --> 01:02:01,441
I mean, they started thinking
in the late 1980s--

1432
01:02:01,441 --> 01:02:03,029
they said, well, okay,
there are gonna be

1433
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:05,929
three big sectors that are
gonna be really important--

1434
01:02:05,929 --> 01:02:08,483
IT, which was
no great prizes for it,

1435
01:02:08,483 --> 01:02:12,798
but they also thought
about pharmaceuticals, biotech,

1436
01:02:12,798 --> 01:02:14,247
and they thought about a thing

1437
01:02:14,247 --> 01:02:16,422
which nobody was thinking about
that much,

1438
01:02:16,422 --> 01:02:18,942
which is medical devices.

1439
01:02:18,942 --> 01:02:22,428
In each of those areas now,
you've got eight and nine

1440
01:02:22,428 --> 01:02:25,638
of the top 10 companies
in the world in Ireland.

1441
01:02:25,638 --> 01:02:28,296
My wife got a Fulbright.
We both came over.

1442
01:02:28,296 --> 01:02:32,300
She was basically studying
the Irish video game ecosystem

1443
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,923
to see if there's anything
that could be improved

1444
01:02:34,923 --> 01:02:36,718
in the economy
for the games industry.

1445
01:02:36,718 --> 01:02:38,858
What it means is that now
there's a tax credit for us

1446
01:02:38,858 --> 01:02:40,584
developing games in Ireland.

1447
01:02:40,584 --> 01:02:43,656
That's when we opened
our Irish game studio,

1448
01:02:43,656 --> 01:02:46,176
so we moved from
Silicon Valley right to Galway.

1449
01:02:46,176 --> 01:02:48,903
It feels like the beginning
of something really cool,

1450
01:02:48,903 --> 01:02:50,421
and the country's amazing.

1451
01:02:50,421 --> 01:02:53,114
The people are amazing.
Great place to live.

1452
01:02:53,114 --> 01:02:55,288
One of the things
with the kind of economy

1453
01:02:55,288 --> 01:02:58,498
that we've developed is that
it's two economies, isn't it?

1454
01:02:58,498 --> 01:03:00,500
And this is
an extraordinary economy.

1455
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:04,470
You know, it produces
a lot of very well-paid people.

1456
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:08,267
Uh, it--it obviously employs

1457
01:03:08,267 --> 01:03:11,442
highly educated people
from Ireland,

1458
01:03:11,442 --> 01:03:13,410
but also, of course,
from everywhere else,

1459
01:03:13,410 --> 01:03:16,447
which makes Ireland
very, very expensive, of course,

1460
01:03:16,447 --> 01:03:18,104
and then makes it very hard
to live

1461
01:03:18,104 --> 01:03:20,969
for people
who are not in that economy.

1462
01:03:20,969 --> 01:03:22,281
The story of the Irish Derby,

1463
01:03:22,281 --> 01:03:24,455
when we run the Irish Derby
with Zagreb

1464
01:03:24,455 --> 01:03:26,803
is a very interesting story,
because that particular day,

1465
01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:29,115
Dermot Weld did not want
to run the horse,

1466
01:03:29,115 --> 01:03:30,979
and I insisted the horse ran,

1467
01:03:30,979 --> 01:03:32,739
and the horse ran away
with it.

1468
01:03:32,739 --> 01:03:35,777
<i>Ladies and gentlemen,
it's your winner Aidan O'Brien!</i>

1469
01:03:35,777 --> 01:03:37,606
It's the Dubai Duty Free
Irish Derby Day

1470
01:03:37,606 --> 01:03:39,194
here at the Curragh.

1471
01:03:39,194 --> 01:03:41,679
It's just a historic race
in the flat racing calendar.

1472
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,164
It's the most prestigious.

1473
01:03:43,164 --> 01:03:44,751
How does Aidan O'Brien
celebrate an Irish Derby?

1474
01:03:44,751 --> 01:03:46,546
Listen, no, we'll go up,

1475
01:03:46,546 --> 01:03:48,894
and we'll have a cup of tea now
and relax.

1476
01:03:48,894 --> 01:03:51,206
The Irish Derby is
our most important race.

1477
01:03:51,206 --> 01:03:53,657
It's probably one of the best
race courses in the world.

1478
01:03:53,657 --> 01:03:55,762
It's one of the sports
that we're able to compete

1479
01:03:55,762 --> 01:03:58,835
at the very top, our breeding,
at show jump and racing.

1480
01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:01,838
Irish horsemen do well
all over the world.

1481
01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:03,149
They're everywhere.

1482
01:04:03,149 --> 01:04:06,014
So, it's great
that the Irish Derby

1483
01:04:06,014 --> 01:04:08,189
is as important a race as it is.

1484
01:04:08,189 --> 01:04:09,673
When it comes
to the equine industry,

1485
01:04:09,673 --> 01:04:12,503
you know, it's--it's something
that a lot of Irish people are--

1486
01:04:12,503 --> 01:04:15,990
are just good at,
is working with horses.

1487
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:19,165
<i>The horse racing
industry has been for decades</i>

1488
01:04:19,165 --> 01:04:21,305
<i>subsidized by the Irish government.</i>

1489
01:04:21,305 --> 01:04:24,343
<i>73 million euros was given
last year.</i>

1490
01:04:24,343 --> 01:04:26,138
For every pound
the government puts in,

1491
01:04:26,138 --> 01:04:28,657
they get so much back
into the exchequer.

1492
01:04:28,657 --> 01:04:33,559
It was a very enlightened piece
of legislation, in 1969 it was,

1493
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:36,527
when they created
an industry out of nothing.

1494
01:04:36,527 --> 01:04:40,669
The stallions were tax-free,
but at least the industry

1495
01:04:40,669 --> 01:04:44,190
got started
by getting help from government.

1496
01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:46,089
We need people
from all over the world

1497
01:04:46,089 --> 01:04:48,263
investing in their horses
in Ireland,

1498
01:04:48,263 --> 01:04:51,611
so we need to encourage it
rather than hinder it.

1499
01:04:51,611 --> 01:04:53,337
It's like wealth in general.

1500
01:04:53,337 --> 01:04:55,512
It'll come
to where it's welcome.

1501
01:04:55,512 --> 01:04:57,514
One of the main constraints
with the Irish economy

1502
01:04:57,514 --> 01:04:58,998
is that we're small.

1503
01:04:58,998 --> 01:05:02,553
So, in order to counter that,
we've had to use tax breaks

1504
01:05:02,553 --> 01:05:05,522
in order to overcome
those early disadvantages.

1505
01:05:05,522 --> 01:05:08,628
But now the Irish economy
has reached critical mass.

1506
01:05:08,628 --> 01:05:10,009
At the moment, Ireland is

1507
01:05:10,009 --> 01:05:13,254
the ninth largest investor
in the USA.

1508
01:05:13,254 --> 01:05:14,980
In 2019, for example,

1509
01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:17,879
we invested more in the USA
than France,

1510
01:05:17,879 --> 01:05:19,294
which is a real demonstration

1511
01:05:19,294 --> 01:05:22,125
that we have real substance
in the economy now.

1512
01:05:22,125 --> 01:05:24,368
More than 100,000 Americans
these days

1513
01:05:24,368 --> 01:05:27,509
are employed
by Irish origin companies.

1514
01:05:27,509 --> 01:05:29,442
What an extraordinary shift
and change

1515
01:05:29,442 --> 01:05:32,376
we've seen in a generation,
you know, from beer and biscuits

1516
01:05:32,376 --> 01:05:35,310
to now being a high tech center
in Europe.

1517
01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:36,449
When you think of Ireland,

1518
01:05:36,449 --> 01:05:37,968
is there anything
that comes to mind?

1519
01:05:37,968 --> 01:05:39,176
Beer.

1520
01:05:39,176 --> 01:05:41,385
Leprechauns.

1521
01:05:41,385 --> 01:05:45,044
- The accent.
- Uh... potatoes.

1522
01:05:45,044 --> 01:05:46,701
When I first
opened my restaurant,

1523
01:05:46,701 --> 01:05:49,669
people were like, "Oh,
you're gonna serve potatoes."

1524
01:05:49,669 --> 01:05:52,396
And although they meant it
in a humorous way,

1525
01:05:52,396 --> 01:05:54,709
it's a joke that steeped
in a lot of sadness.

1526
01:05:54,709 --> 01:05:57,194
It's a--It's a joke
that we were so reliant

1527
01:05:57,194 --> 01:05:59,334
on the potato
because of the nutrition.

1528
01:05:59,334 --> 01:06:01,681
There was so much nutrition
in a potato

1529
01:06:01,681 --> 01:06:03,994
that with a small patch
of land out your back garden,

1530
01:06:03,994 --> 01:06:05,375
you could feed a family of 10,

1531
01:06:05,375 --> 01:06:07,687
and that's why
we were so dependent on it.

1532
01:06:07,687 --> 01:06:09,724
So, there's something
deeply sad about someone

1533
01:06:09,724 --> 01:06:12,589
joking about me loving
and Irish people loving potatoes

1534
01:06:12,589 --> 01:06:15,247
when we loved it because it was
actually how we survived.

1535
01:06:15,247 --> 01:06:18,698
Um, so it's what--
That was a bit dark and gloomy.

1536
01:06:18,698 --> 01:06:21,253
Sorry about that.
But it is a bit sad,

1537
01:06:21,253 --> 01:06:23,117
the idea that people think
they're cracking a joke

1538
01:06:23,117 --> 01:06:27,293
when actually they're kind of
slagging off our--our dark past.

1539
01:06:27,293 --> 01:06:28,743
I tell you one thing for sure,

1540
01:06:28,743 --> 01:06:30,538
I'm shocked how many
English people slag off

1541
01:06:30,538 --> 01:06:32,505
Irish people's drinking.

1542
01:06:32,505 --> 01:06:35,784
I'm like, um...
I've been to the English pubs.

1543
01:06:35,784 --> 01:06:38,063
I think they're quite fond
of a tipple themselves.

1544
01:06:38,063 --> 01:06:40,513
They say the definition
of a real Irishman is somebody

1545
01:06:40,513 --> 01:06:42,377
who doesn't go to bed
the same day they get up.

1546
01:06:42,377 --> 01:06:45,346
We do like
our social activities.

1547
01:06:45,346 --> 01:06:48,418
We do like to lubricate them
sometimes with alcohol.

1548
01:06:48,418 --> 01:06:51,490
Aye, he's a good drinker.

1549
01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:53,285
- Not anymore. I think he's--
- Used to be.

1550
01:06:53,285 --> 01:06:55,425
- I think he's getting shaky now.
- No.

1551
01:06:55,425 --> 01:06:58,117
Well, we all know
the Irish quite like

1552
01:06:58,117 --> 01:07:00,568
a little drop of red wine
every now and again.

1553
01:07:00,568 --> 01:07:02,294
There's like
an ongoing joke globally,

1554
01:07:02,294 --> 01:07:03,812
that, like, all the Irish
are all alcoholics.

1555
01:07:03,812 --> 01:07:06,367
Like, it's not--it's not
a great reputation to have,

1556
01:07:06,367 --> 01:07:10,957
but, you know, it's not
necessarily completely wrong.

1557
01:07:10,957 --> 01:07:15,134
Ireland is a country that is
oftentimes put in a box.

1558
01:07:15,134 --> 01:07:16,963
We love that box.
We thrive in that box.

1559
01:07:16,963 --> 01:07:19,794
We use it for tourism. We use
it for industry, absolutely,

1560
01:07:19,794 --> 01:07:21,209
but it's ours to use.

1561
01:07:21,209 --> 01:07:23,418
People are very ready
to weaponize

1562
01:07:23,418 --> 01:07:25,972
what they understand
about Ireland

1563
01:07:25,972 --> 01:07:29,528
but are never willing to learn
what they don't understand.

1564
01:07:29,528 --> 01:07:33,221
I remember I was at an event
at the Irish Embassy here,

1565
01:07:33,221 --> 01:07:34,912
and there was
an Englishwoman there,

1566
01:07:34,912 --> 01:07:37,846
I said something about something
being very different in Ireland,

1567
01:07:37,846 --> 01:07:40,884
and she was just like,
"But how is it different?"

1568
01:07:40,884 --> 01:07:44,267
And I was just like,
"It's a different country."

1569
01:07:44,267 --> 01:07:45,820
You're telling someone
where you're from,

1570
01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:48,340
and if they go,
"Oh, yeah, so Britain." No.

1571
01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:49,789
I didn't realize that there was

1572
01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:51,377
that ignorance
outside of Ireland.

1573
01:07:51,377 --> 01:07:53,103
Like, it was painful to see

1574
01:07:53,103 --> 01:07:55,001
Paul Mescal be mistaken
as British.

1575
01:07:55,001 --> 01:07:56,762
The French
claimed Samuel Beckett

1576
01:07:56,762 --> 01:07:58,626
because he often wrote
in French.

1577
01:07:58,626 --> 01:08:01,146
The English--in fact,
we interviewed Sadiq Khan,

1578
01:08:01,146 --> 01:08:05,046
the London mayor, who called
Oscar Wilde a Londoner. Um...

1579
01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:08,774
He doesn't get out much.

1580
01:08:08,774 --> 01:08:12,329
If they wish to appropriate
us Irishmen and women

1581
01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:15,367
and make them theirs,
then so be it.

1582
01:08:15,367 --> 01:08:17,576
There's enough of us
to go round.

1583
01:08:17,576 --> 01:08:20,130
Gotta have a sense of humor
about these things.

1584
01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:23,754
Really, take it lightly.
Take it lightly.

1585
01:08:23,754 --> 01:08:25,170
My father told me a story

1586
01:08:25,170 --> 01:08:28,690
when he first came to London
in the '60s--the signs he saw

1587
01:08:28,690 --> 01:08:32,004
outside the guest houses
and the B&B's.

1588
01:08:32,004 --> 01:08:36,008
"No Blacks, no Irish, no dogs."

1589
01:08:36,008 --> 01:08:40,840
It was a sharp...
intake of breath

1590
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,464
to be the outsider

1591
01:08:43,464 --> 01:08:48,158
and to realize
that you were different

1592
01:08:48,158 --> 01:08:52,576
and somehow maybe didn't belong.

1593
01:08:52,576 --> 01:08:54,440
It was, uh, you know,
from being taught

1594
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:57,305
by the Christian Brothers
in Navan,

1595
01:08:57,305 --> 01:09:00,688
which is a whole other story,
uh...

1596
01:09:00,688 --> 01:09:02,759
You know, uh...

1597
01:09:02,759 --> 01:09:05,969
few children to this
comprehensive school system

1598
01:09:05,969 --> 01:09:08,178
of 2,000 children.

1599
01:09:09,524 --> 01:09:12,113
It was a short, sharp shock.

1600
01:09:12,113 --> 01:09:13,770
Being Irish,

1601
01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:16,911
how were you received
in your new school in London?

1602
01:09:16,911 --> 01:09:19,914
Oh, I was definitely made
to feel Irish.

1603
01:09:19,914 --> 01:09:23,193
They didn't let you forget
that you were Irish,

1604
01:09:23,193 --> 01:09:27,680
which I wore
as an emblem of pride.

1605
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,924
They wouldn't say my name,
Pierce,

1606
01:09:29,924 --> 01:09:31,822
or couldn't say my name, Pierce.

1607
01:09:31,822 --> 01:09:33,893
I was known as "Irish."

1608
01:09:33,893 --> 01:09:37,207
That was my nickname,
and, uh, and--

1609
01:09:37,207 --> 01:09:39,865
and I took it
and wore it with pride.

1610
01:09:39,865 --> 01:09:41,798
You learn how to adapt,

1611
01:09:41,798 --> 01:09:46,527
and I suppose in some respects
it was the start of performance

1612
01:09:46,527 --> 01:09:49,357
'cause I had to assimilate.
I had to blend in.

1613
01:09:49,357 --> 01:09:51,083
I had to lose the accent.

1614
01:09:51,083 --> 01:09:52,222
Ended up talking like that,
ya know?

1615
01:09:52,222 --> 01:09:55,605
All right, mate?
All right, yeah.

1616
01:09:55,605 --> 01:09:58,573
So, I was with all the lads.

1617
01:09:58,573 --> 01:10:01,576
I enjoyed that company
and that life,

1618
01:10:01,576 --> 01:10:04,855
and I kind of
created a mystique for myself,

1619
01:10:04,855 --> 01:10:06,202
falling in with the guys

1620
01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:08,583
that were the hard guys,
the hard nuts,

1621
01:10:08,583 --> 01:10:10,447
but I wasn't really a hard nut.

1622
01:10:10,447 --> 01:10:13,692
I just, uh...

1623
01:10:13,692 --> 01:10:17,834
I just went with them
to protect myself.

1624
01:10:17,834 --> 01:10:20,526
Older Irish people that I met
when I was ambassador in London

1625
01:10:20,526 --> 01:10:22,459
have told me about seeing
these signs of, you know,

1626
01:10:22,459 --> 01:10:24,634
"No Irish need apply here."

1627
01:10:24,634 --> 01:10:26,739
That's changed because
Irish people have changed it.

1628
01:10:26,739 --> 01:10:29,155
Phil Lynott not only showed up
as an Irishman in the UK,

1629
01:10:29,155 --> 01:10:31,468
but he showed up
as a Black Irishman.

1630
01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:33,159
Shane MacGowan,
second generation Irish,

1631
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:34,782
forming The Pogues

1632
01:10:34,782 --> 01:10:36,611
and coming out
with "Fairytale of New York,"

1633
01:10:36,611 --> 01:10:38,579
and, really,
through the Irish creativity

1634
01:10:38,579 --> 01:10:41,616
and hard work and so on,
they broke down those barriers.

1635
01:10:41,616 --> 01:10:44,654
There's over 7,000
Irish pubs outside of Ireland.

1636
01:10:44,654 --> 01:10:46,966
I think there's more Irish pubs
outside of Ireland

1637
01:10:46,966 --> 01:10:48,174
than inside of Ireland.

1638
01:10:48,174 --> 01:10:49,555
Yeah, anytime you're away
anywhere,

1639
01:10:49,555 --> 01:10:50,591
and you see an Irish pub,
you're just like,

1640
01:10:50,591 --> 01:10:52,834
ah, there--there we are.

1641
01:10:52,834 --> 01:10:54,526
But, um, I guess
they're just pubs here.

1642
01:10:54,526 --> 01:10:56,217
They're just not Ir--
uh, typically Irish,

1643
01:10:56,217 --> 01:10:58,599
but they're just pubs.

1644
01:10:58,599 --> 01:11:00,359
Everybody that opens
an Irish pub

1645
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:02,465
should have it in a contract

1646
01:11:02,465 --> 01:11:04,605
that they have to go spend
some time in Ireland

1647
01:11:04,605 --> 01:11:06,089
to learn how
to pour proper pints.

1648
01:11:06,089 --> 01:11:08,022
It's a point of gathering,
you know, when you go--

1649
01:11:08,022 --> 01:11:10,093
when you see an Irish pub
somewhere, you know--

1650
01:11:10,093 --> 01:11:12,923
you know that you're gonna have
a good time, good beer.

1651
01:11:12,923 --> 01:11:15,616
It's quite fun to see
there's a real atmosphere,

1652
01:11:15,616 --> 01:11:17,721
Also, of course,
a place where you are able

1653
01:11:17,721 --> 01:11:19,827
to meet other Irish people.

1654
01:11:19,827 --> 01:11:21,967
Have you been
to an Irish pub ever?

1655
01:11:21,967 --> 01:11:26,558
Just in Dublin, but I don't
drink beer, just wine. Sorry.

1656
01:11:26,558 --> 01:11:28,353
Ah, yes, sure.

1657
01:11:28,353 --> 01:11:32,529
Because I lived in Dublin,
so it's very great experience.

1658
01:11:32,529 --> 01:11:34,531
So, Guinness--it's good.

1659
01:11:34,531 --> 01:11:37,603
I love Guinness.
I love the stout.

1660
01:11:37,603 --> 01:11:39,364
Everybody loves "Gin-ness."

1661
01:11:39,364 --> 01:11:41,504
What is it to be Irish, actually?

1662
01:11:41,504 --> 01:11:43,402
Well, it's not just having
a pint of Guinness,

1663
01:11:43,402 --> 01:11:45,611
that's for sure.

1664
01:11:45,611 --> 01:11:47,958
Any Irish person
mention they're Irish,

1665
01:11:47,958 --> 01:11:50,685
and the word "Guinness" is
usually one of the first things

1666
01:11:50,685 --> 01:11:51,962
that people bring up.

1667
01:11:51,962 --> 01:11:54,724
Implies that we're drunks,
basically, yeah.

1668
01:11:54,724 --> 01:11:57,520
Guinness is not Irish-owned
anymore, but it doesn't matter.

1669
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,418
It's a global brand
that's made its way

1670
01:11:59,418 --> 01:12:00,902
all the way around the world

1671
01:12:00,902 --> 01:12:03,042
and a bit like the--
the diaspora,

1672
01:12:03,042 --> 01:12:04,837
we're all so proud of that.

1673
01:12:04,837 --> 01:12:08,116
I believe you own
the Cashel Palace Hotel.

1674
01:12:08,116 --> 01:12:11,085
Is it true that the first pint
of Guinness

1675
01:12:11,085 --> 01:12:13,156
was drawn from the well there?

1676
01:12:13,156 --> 01:12:16,780
Uh, so--so, legend has it.
You should come and taste it,

1677
01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:19,921
and you'll see for yourself
that it's different down there.

1678
01:12:19,921 --> 01:12:21,647
My name's Rory Guinness,

1679
01:12:21,647 --> 01:12:24,685
and I am
a humble brewer from Dublin.

1680
01:12:24,685 --> 01:12:27,860
We've been involved
with the City Centre of Dublin

1681
01:12:27,860 --> 01:12:31,933
since my great-great-
great-great-great-grandfather

1682
01:12:31,933 --> 01:12:34,626
Arthur Guinness
arrived from County Kildare

1683
01:12:34,626 --> 01:12:38,319
and signed a 9,000-year lease

1684
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:43,013
on a bankrupt, derelict brewery
in St. James's Gate in Dublin.

1685
01:12:43,013 --> 01:12:44,877
One of the biggest things
that I want to do

1686
01:12:44,877 --> 01:12:47,155
is try Guinness,
is go to the factory,

1687
01:12:47,155 --> 01:12:49,572
because I'm a massive--
I drink a lot of Guinness.

1688
01:12:49,572 --> 01:12:51,056
I want to do the tour.

1689
01:12:51,056 --> 01:12:52,540
It's always great to think

1690
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:54,335
about who's enjoying
a pint of Guinness.

1691
01:12:54,335 --> 01:12:57,027
Kim Kardashian, I saw the other
week, was enjoying a drop.

1692
01:12:57,027 --> 01:12:59,892
Gwyneth Paltrow loves a glass of
Guinness to steady her nerves.

1693
01:12:59,892 --> 01:13:02,964
Prince Albert of Monaco--
he loves a pint, too,

1694
01:13:02,964 --> 01:13:04,897
and he's a cousin
through marriage.

1695
01:13:04,897 --> 01:13:07,762
He's drinking the family drink.

1696
01:13:07,762 --> 01:13:11,870
Absolutely. Princess Florestine,
my ancestor in the 19th century,

1697
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:14,666
she married the Duke of Urach
of Wurttemberg.

1698
01:13:14,666 --> 01:13:16,702
Their great-great-grandson

1699
01:13:16,702 --> 01:13:18,359
married
into the Guinness family.

1700
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:21,638
I had forgotten about that
when I had my first Guinness,

1701
01:13:21,638 --> 01:13:25,746
but now it takes on
a very special meaning.

1702
01:13:25,746 --> 01:13:28,196
I am Chairman
of the Iveagh Trust,

1703
01:13:28,196 --> 01:13:31,752
which was started
by my great-great-grandfather.

1704
01:13:31,752 --> 01:13:33,339
The Iveagh Trust, to this day,

1705
01:13:33,339 --> 01:13:36,653
is one of Dublin's largest
social housing providers.

1706
01:13:36,653 --> 01:13:39,000
Previous generations
of the Guinness family

1707
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,623
understood the importance

1708
01:13:40,623 --> 01:13:44,350
of space for recreation,
space to meet your neighbors,

1709
01:13:44,350 --> 01:13:46,283
space to provide
the breathing lungs

1710
01:13:46,283 --> 01:13:47,699
for the city.

1711
01:13:47,699 --> 01:13:50,529
I think of St Stephen's Green,
Iveagh House,

1712
01:13:50,529 --> 01:13:52,911
the Iveagh Gardens, St Anne's.

1713
01:13:52,911 --> 01:13:54,740
- Do you hear the bells?

1714
01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:58,710
Those are the bells given
by my great-great-grandfather

1715
01:13:58,710 --> 01:14:00,574
to St Patrick's Cathedral,

1716
01:14:00,574 --> 01:14:02,921
and they're still
chiming to this day.

1717
01:14:02,921 --> 01:14:04,509
Rory,
is Guinness good for you?

1718
01:14:04,509 --> 01:14:07,857
Oh, you would love that.

1719
01:14:07,857 --> 01:14:10,515
Guinness is good
for the people of Dublin

1720
01:14:10,515 --> 01:14:13,172
and the Irish community
around the world.

1721
01:14:13,172 --> 01:14:17,522
After all, Guinness is
a quintessentially Irish drink.

1722
01:14:17,522 --> 01:14:19,247
When you're doing business
with people,

1723
01:14:19,247 --> 01:14:21,318
and you see an Irish name,
or you see a connection,

1724
01:14:21,318 --> 01:14:23,528
and my wife laughs at me a lot
because the first question

1725
01:14:23,528 --> 01:14:24,977
I always ask,
"Are you from Ireland?"

1726
01:14:24,977 --> 01:14:26,531
And they're not
from Ireland at all.

1727
01:14:26,531 --> 01:14:29,188
They're just called Gallagher or
something from many years ago.

1728
01:14:29,188 --> 01:14:30,535
People sometimes laugh.

1729
01:14:30,535 --> 01:14:31,950
We say, Irish wineries.
What do you mean?

1730
01:14:31,950 --> 01:14:33,779
The fact that the Irish
were so prominent

1731
01:14:33,779 --> 01:14:36,092
in the wine industry
around the world.

1732
01:14:36,092 --> 01:14:38,957
In California were
the Barrett family from Galway

1733
01:14:38,957 --> 01:14:42,201
or Montelena, 'cause I remember
Mendoza in Argentina

1734
01:14:42,201 --> 01:14:44,272
sitting with the owner
of a winery,

1735
01:14:44,272 --> 01:14:45,998
and I was asking him,
"What's your name?

1736
01:14:45,998 --> 01:14:49,968
He said, "My name is
José Luis Hernandez Murphy."

1737
01:14:49,968 --> 01:14:52,591
Doesn't that just sum it up?

1738
01:14:52,591 --> 01:14:54,766
The highest selling white wine
in Ireland

1739
01:14:54,766 --> 01:14:57,251
is called Santa Rita 120.

1740
01:14:57,251 --> 01:15:01,082
refers to the 120 men
with Bernardo O'Higgins

1741
01:15:01,082 --> 01:15:04,223
who hid in a winery
as the Spaniards passed through

1742
01:15:04,223 --> 01:15:06,398
and then came out, regrouped
and defeated the Spaniards

1743
01:15:06,398 --> 01:15:08,124
and got independence for Chile,

1744
01:15:08,124 --> 01:15:11,576
Bernardo O'Higgins traces
all his origins back to Sligo.

1745
01:15:11,576 --> 01:15:13,336
What a story.

1746
01:15:13,336 --> 01:15:16,235
So, the Wild Geese--many of them
went into the wine industry,

1747
01:15:16,235 --> 01:15:17,720
particularly in France,

1748
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,962
particularly
in the Bordeaux area,

1749
01:15:18,962 --> 01:15:22,034
and they became known
as the "Winegeese."

1750
01:15:32,044 --> 01:15:34,219
Throughout Bordeaux,
there's monuments,

1751
01:15:34,219 --> 01:15:37,774
street names, pubs that carry
this Irish heritage,

1752
01:15:37,774 --> 01:15:40,812
Médoc is a land of immigrants.

1753
01:15:40,812 --> 01:15:43,297
It's not the American dream,
but it's the Médoc dream.

1754
01:15:47,957 --> 01:15:51,029
We are now
actually in the vat room

1755
01:15:51,029 --> 01:15:53,376
of Château Langoa
and Léoville Barton,

1756
01:15:53,376 --> 01:15:56,517
and you can see how close it is
from the Gironde Estuary,

1757
01:15:56,517 --> 01:15:58,070
which is very important.

1758
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:59,416
It has always been
very important for us

1759
01:15:59,416 --> 01:16:01,902
because it's really
thanks to this estuary

1760
01:16:01,902 --> 01:16:04,283
that we have this wonderful
climate and terroir,

1761
01:16:04,283 --> 01:16:07,355
but it's also the river
that saw our first ancestor,

1762
01:16:07,355 --> 01:16:09,357
Thomas Barton, arrive.

1763
01:16:09,357 --> 01:16:11,877
And here's the river
that started everything.

1764
01:16:11,877 --> 01:16:13,948
During the French Revolution,

1765
01:16:13,948 --> 01:16:16,364
the grandson went back
to Ireland,

1766
01:16:16,364 --> 01:16:19,816
and he actually bought a farm
that became very important

1767
01:16:19,816 --> 01:16:22,163
in our family,
which is Straffen House.

1768
01:16:22,163 --> 01:16:24,683
It still has this feel
of home in a way,

1769
01:16:24,683 --> 01:16:25,891
although it's not ours anymore.

1770
01:16:25,891 --> 01:16:28,031
It's now the famous K Club.

1771
01:16:28,031 --> 01:16:31,069
The K Club has
Barton objects, rooms,

1772
01:16:31,069 --> 01:16:34,141
and, of course,
a lot of Barton wines.

1773
01:16:34,141 --> 01:16:37,109
It's a lovely building.
My father was born there.

1774
01:16:37,109 --> 01:16:39,974
My grandparents
spent a lot of time there.

1775
01:16:39,974 --> 01:16:43,115
The house was purchased in 1989
by Dr. Michael Smurfit.

1776
01:16:43,115 --> 01:16:45,946
Loved his wines, in particular
his older Bordeauxs,

1777
01:16:45,946 --> 01:16:48,258
which is why we have
such an amazing collection

1778
01:16:48,258 --> 01:16:49,570
in the cellar downstairs.

1779
01:16:49,570 --> 01:16:51,089
I have fond memories
of the K club

1780
01:16:51,089 --> 01:16:53,298
and of having many
a fine meal there.

1781
01:16:53,298 --> 01:16:56,577
Lovely estate. Decided to
turn it into a golf complex.

1782
01:16:56,577 --> 01:16:59,476
The K Club turned out
to be a spectacular success.

1783
01:16:59,476 --> 01:17:03,066
Part of my DNA, if you will,
with the Barton family.

1784
01:17:03,066 --> 01:17:06,656
Well, I was actually drinking
Léoville Barton last night.

1785
01:17:06,656 --> 01:17:07,968
I only finished half
a bottle of it,

1786
01:17:07,968 --> 01:17:09,521
so I'll finish
the other half bottle tonight.

1787
01:17:13,421 --> 01:17:16,735
Hello, I'm Ronan Dallais,
working in the Château Clarke.

1788
01:17:16,735 --> 01:17:18,979
I'm Irish, grew up in Dublin.

1789
01:17:18,979 --> 01:17:20,601
Hundreds of years ago,
the Château Clarke

1790
01:17:20,601 --> 01:17:22,189
was owned by an Irish family.

1791
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:23,777
Now the Château Clarke
is currently owned

1792
01:17:23,777 --> 01:17:26,227
by the Rothschild family,
but we are proud to keep

1793
01:17:26,227 --> 01:17:28,644
the name of Château Clarke
and the Irish heritage.

1794
01:17:30,646 --> 01:17:32,130
CAZES-HACHEMIAN:
The Lynch-Bages estate

1795
01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:34,546
has a world-renowned
reputation.

1796
01:17:34,546 --> 01:17:36,134
For us, it's very important

1797
01:17:36,134 --> 01:17:39,413
to stay true to our roots,
and our roots are Irish.

1798
01:17:39,413 --> 01:17:41,173
We say, "Lynch-Bages,"
but we actually should say...

1799
01:17:41,173 --> 01:17:42,796
Lynch-Bages.

1800
01:17:42,796 --> 01:17:45,868
So, it comes from
the Lynch family from Galway.

1801
01:17:45,868 --> 01:17:49,734
They established themselves
in Bordeaux in 1691.

1802
01:17:49,734 --> 01:17:52,253
Thomas Lynch
had a number of children.

1803
01:17:52,253 --> 01:17:55,325
Two of them became famous
in the history of the region.

1804
01:17:55,325 --> 01:17:58,466
Jean-Bapiste Lynch
became mayor of Bordeaux,

1805
01:17:58,466 --> 01:18:02,401
and his son Michel
became mayor of Pauillac,

1806
01:18:02,401 --> 01:18:03,851
which is a commonality
with my family,

1807
01:18:03,851 --> 01:18:06,267
because my grandfather,
André Cazes,

1808
01:18:06,267 --> 01:18:09,339
was also mayor of Pauillac
for 42 years.

1809
01:18:09,339 --> 01:18:13,205
So my great-grandfather,
Jean-Charles Cazes, was a baker.

1810
01:18:13,205 --> 01:18:15,760
He had the unfortunate event
in his life

1811
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,177
that his bakery burned down,
so he had to reinvent himself.

1812
01:18:19,177 --> 01:18:21,904
He became a tenant farmer
at Lynch-Bages

1813
01:18:21,904 --> 01:18:24,561
and he was able to acquire
Château Lynch-Bages

1814
01:18:24,561 --> 01:18:27,944
in the late 30s,
which today is a good decision,

1815
01:18:27,944 --> 01:18:31,085
because I would be
selling bread instead of, uh,

1816
01:18:31,085 --> 01:18:33,432
talking to you
and drinking some good wines.

1817
01:18:33,432 --> 01:18:34,917
A few decades ago,

1818
01:18:34,917 --> 01:18:38,127
my father wanted to honor
the Lynch family roots.

1819
01:18:38,127 --> 01:18:41,958
He visited Galway and was told
that there was a Mrs. Lynch

1820
01:18:41,958 --> 01:18:44,202
still living
in a house down the street.

1821
01:18:44,202 --> 01:18:48,033
And he showed up unannounced
at Mrs. Lynch's doorstep,

1822
01:18:48,033 --> 01:18:49,552
and Mrs. Lynch opened the door.

1823
01:18:49,552 --> 01:18:51,830
He introduced himself
as Jean-Michel Cazes

1824
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:53,452
from Château Lynch-Bages
in Pauillac,

1825
01:18:53,452 --> 01:18:57,008
and she said very nicely,
"I was expecting you."

1826
01:18:57,008 --> 01:18:58,941
So, she invited him for tea,

1827
01:18:58,941 --> 01:19:02,427
and the friendship started
that day.

1828
01:19:02,427 --> 01:19:07,846
There is a real deep Irish
connection with the château.

1829
01:19:07,846 --> 01:19:10,884
The founder
of Château Phélan Ségur

1830
01:19:10,884 --> 01:19:13,093
back in the very early
19th century

1831
01:19:13,093 --> 01:19:17,062
was Bernard O'Phelan,
a wine merchant,

1832
01:19:17,062 --> 01:19:19,409
and he purchased a small estate

1833
01:19:19,409 --> 01:19:23,103
thanks to the help
of his father-in-law.

1834
01:19:23,103 --> 01:19:25,415
If you ever come to visit
Phélan Ségur,

1835
01:19:25,415 --> 01:19:28,660
you'll be experiencing
our tribute to Ireland.

1836
01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:31,076
We refurbished a whole room,

1837
01:19:31,076 --> 01:19:33,009
and now
it's called the Irish Room,

1838
01:19:33,009 --> 01:19:36,979
and we are showing a collection
of original plates

1839
01:19:36,979 --> 01:19:39,878
with what we call
the monogram of Phélan.

1840
01:19:39,878 --> 01:19:42,743
On the plate,
at the bottom of the monogram,

1841
01:19:42,743 --> 01:19:45,021
you will discover
the Claddagh ring.

1842
01:19:45,021 --> 01:19:48,542
All Irish people who come
and stay with us for lunch

1843
01:19:48,542 --> 01:19:51,787
and see these plates,
they find the Claddagh ring.

1844
01:19:51,787 --> 01:19:53,616
I'm telling you, they are happy.

1845
01:19:53,616 --> 01:19:57,240
And the atmosphere is
really an Irish atmosphere.

1846
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,105
Another tribute
to our Irish roots

1847
01:20:00,105 --> 01:20:03,074
is this St. Patrick's gift box
that we designed.

1848
01:20:03,074 --> 01:20:07,975
It doesn't show a 3-leaf clover,
but a 4-leaf clover,

1849
01:20:07,975 --> 01:20:10,840
because we need
and we bring luck.

1850
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,878
When Bernard came to France,

1851
01:20:13,878 --> 01:20:16,777
it was thanks to his friend,
Hugh Barton.

1852
01:20:16,777 --> 01:20:20,574
Just incredible that years
and years and years after that,

1853
01:20:20,574 --> 01:20:23,542
we are so close
to the Barton family.

1854
01:20:23,542 --> 01:20:26,166
To be among
these Irish families, you know,

1855
01:20:26,166 --> 01:20:30,135
it's something that is strong
and--and very important

1856
01:20:30,135 --> 01:20:32,379
to our--to our heart.

1857
01:20:32,379 --> 01:20:35,451
Phélan Ségur
is still Phélan Ségur.

1858
01:20:35,451 --> 01:20:37,487
Lynch-Bages is still
Lynch-Bages.

1859
01:20:37,487 --> 01:20:40,352
For obvious reasons, it's still
Langoa and Léoville Barton,

1860
01:20:40,352 --> 01:20:43,493
but why do you think that
heritage has been respected?

1861
01:20:43,493 --> 01:20:46,427
Goodness me. Well, perhaps
because there were names

1862
01:20:46,427 --> 01:20:48,567
that were recognized
at the time.

1863
01:20:48,567 --> 01:20:52,019
Let's say Lynch-Bages
would be just Bages. So what?

1864
01:20:52,019 --> 01:20:54,401
The "Lynch" definitely
has a history to it.

1865
01:20:54,401 --> 01:20:56,506
Look at the way
"Phélan Ségur" is written.

1866
01:20:56,506 --> 01:20:58,267
You have this kind
of very typical French accent

1867
01:20:58,267 --> 01:20:59,682
on the "é."

1868
01:20:59,682 --> 01:21:03,237
So, I think it tells a lot
about how these Irish families

1869
01:21:03,237 --> 01:21:07,310
really got integrated
in the landscape of Bordeaux.

1870
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:10,762
I think they wanted to be part
of the culture of the region.

1871
01:21:10,762 --> 01:21:13,938
I also think it says
a lot about the French,

1872
01:21:13,938 --> 01:21:16,147
making sure
everything becomes French.

1873
01:21:16,147 --> 01:21:19,875
Did you know
that the Irish make wine?

1874
01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:21,393
No.

1875
01:21:21,393 --> 01:21:22,705
Irish wine would be
considered Guinness

1876
01:21:22,705 --> 01:21:24,051
and maybe a bit of whiskey.

1877
01:21:24,051 --> 01:21:25,535
I've never tried Irish wine.

1878
01:21:25,535 --> 01:21:27,468
I didn't even know
there was Irish wine.

1879
01:21:27,468 --> 01:21:29,263
Give me some. Wow.

1880
01:21:29,263 --> 01:21:31,783
I haven't tried Irish wine, no,
because I've never heard

1881
01:21:31,783 --> 01:21:33,302
of an Irish wine before.

1882
01:21:33,302 --> 01:21:35,511
Oh, no, never.

1883
01:21:35,511 --> 01:21:36,926
- Never.
- Never.

1884
01:21:41,966 --> 01:21:44,451
<i>- Fromage.
- Fromage.</i>

1885
01:21:44,451 --> 01:21:46,625
You know Château Lynch-Barge?

1886
01:21:46,625 --> 01:21:48,213
- Of course.
- Château Phélan Ségur?

1887
01:21:48,213 --> 01:21:51,009
- Of course.
- Château Kirwan.

1888
01:21:51,009 --> 01:21:53,356
- Yeah.
- Château Léoville Barton.

1889
01:21:53,356 --> 01:21:55,565
- Yeah.
- Château Clarke.

1890
01:21:55,565 --> 01:21:57,015
Yeah.

1891
01:21:57,015 --> 01:22:01,054
Are they Irish wine?

1892
01:22:01,054 --> 01:22:04,574
Why Irish? No.

1893
01:22:04,574 --> 01:22:07,957
- Where are they from?
- Uh, uh, Médoc.

1894
01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:10,511
All of these châteaux

1895
01:22:10,511 --> 01:22:12,962
were set up by Irish people,
so--

1896
01:22:12,962 --> 01:22:16,276
Yeah, but the workers--
they are French.

1897
01:22:16,276 --> 01:22:18,381
So, even though they were--

1898
01:22:18,381 --> 01:22:22,247
And the terroir is French,
so it's French.

1899
01:22:22,247 --> 01:22:23,973
So, it's Irish inspiration,

1900
01:22:23,973 --> 01:22:25,699
but French terroir.

1901
01:22:25,699 --> 01:22:27,287
That's it.

1902
01:22:27,287 --> 01:22:28,736
If we ask you again,

1903
01:22:28,736 --> 01:22:31,118
"Have you ever tried
Irish wine," what would you say?

1904
01:22:31,118 --> 01:22:34,363
- Yes.
- Yes, very good.

1905
01:22:34,363 --> 01:22:36,537
What is
Ireland's greatest contribution

1906
01:22:36,537 --> 01:22:38,643
to the world?

1907
01:22:38,643 --> 01:22:40,093
It's people.

1908
01:22:40,093 --> 01:22:43,959
Everybody seems to gel
with Irish.

1909
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:46,720
These are really
unfair questions, Frank.

1910
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,206
I-I-...to--to just drop on me,
that's ridiculous.

1911
01:22:50,206 --> 01:22:51,794
Is it U2?

1912
01:22:51,794 --> 01:22:56,178
Not U2. The art, the plays,
the literature, the paintings,

1913
01:22:56,178 --> 01:22:58,180
the sculpture, the music.

1914
01:22:58,180 --> 01:23:00,561
Our gardens and gardeners
that tell a story.

1915
01:23:00,561 --> 01:23:03,633
Still actually a story
that hasn't been told enough.

1916
01:23:03,633 --> 01:23:07,223
I often like to say
that I was the one who started

1917
01:23:07,223 --> 01:23:08,776
the rewilding movement
in Ireland,

1918
01:23:08,776 --> 01:23:11,055
but in reality, I was
about a hundred years later.

1919
01:23:11,055 --> 01:23:13,057
William Robinson was

1920
01:23:13,057 --> 01:23:15,818
the first person to create
the concept

1921
01:23:15,818 --> 01:23:17,371
of "The Wild Garden."

1922
01:23:17,371 --> 01:23:20,202
Although a lot of it
was popularized in the UK,

1923
01:23:20,202 --> 01:23:21,755
it has Irish roots.

1924
01:23:21,755 --> 01:23:24,344
We Irish can make a case
for having produced

1925
01:23:24,344 --> 01:23:26,518
the greatest poet
In William Butler Yeats,

1926
01:23:26,518 --> 01:23:28,727
the greatest novelist
in James Joyce,

1927
01:23:28,727 --> 01:23:33,525
and the greatest dramatist in
Seán O'Casey or Samuel Beckett.

1928
01:23:33,525 --> 01:23:37,736
Love Samuel Beckett.
Our son Paris--Paris Beckett--

1929
01:23:37,736 --> 01:23:40,084
he's named after Samuel.

1930
01:23:40,084 --> 01:23:41,637
Keely wanted to call Paris,
Paris.

1931
01:23:41,637 --> 01:23:43,432
I think
it's a magnificent name.

1932
01:23:43,432 --> 01:23:46,573
I said, that's a very powerful
name for a boy.

1933
01:23:46,573 --> 01:23:49,714
So, I think it has
to have a little something else,

1934
01:23:49,714 --> 01:23:53,614
and Beckett I love,
so Paris Beckett Brosnan.

1935
01:23:53,614 --> 01:23:55,685
We have Bram Stoker,
created "Dracula."

1936
01:23:55,685 --> 01:23:57,687
You have my own
great-grandfather who was

1937
01:23:57,687 --> 01:23:59,724
one of the pioneers
of the fantasy literature--

1938
01:23:59,724 --> 01:24:01,553
Lord Dunsany,
influenced Tolkien,

1939
01:24:01,553 --> 01:24:05,005
had five plays on Broadway
consecutively.

1940
01:24:05,005 --> 01:24:06,765
Not even Shakespeare had that.

1941
01:24:06,765 --> 01:24:08,664
Ireland is a small island,
really,

1942
01:24:08,664 --> 01:24:10,631
on the periphery
of northern Europe,

1943
01:24:10,631 --> 01:24:12,978
but we are united
by a common bond,

1944
01:24:12,978 --> 01:24:15,153
which is a pride of who we are.

1945
01:24:15,153 --> 01:24:17,086
Because no matter
where you go in the world,

1946
01:24:17,086 --> 01:24:19,261
whether it be
in the world of literature

1947
01:24:19,261 --> 01:24:22,160
or the world of music
or the world of sport,

1948
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,438
we have made an impact
at every level,

1949
01:24:24,438 --> 01:24:25,957
despite our smallness.

1950
01:24:25,957 --> 01:24:27,200
We've always punched
above our weight

1951
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,753
as a small nation, haven't we?

1952
01:24:28,753 --> 01:24:31,583
You know, a 21-year-old son
of a Syrian migrant

1953
01:24:31,583 --> 01:24:34,690
created a company, Apple,
and it started at zero.

1954
01:24:34,690 --> 01:24:38,418
I mean, Ryanair here in Ireland
set off in 1985,

1955
01:24:38,418 --> 01:24:41,800
flew from Waterford with
18 passengers in one plane.

1956
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,183
So, I love that notion. Nobody
started a large organization.

1957
01:24:45,183 --> 01:24:49,256
Tony O'Reilly was just one of
the world's great communicators.

1958
01:24:49,256 --> 01:24:51,120
He was under pressure
launching Kerrygold,

1959
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,088
which was the name
he came up with,

1960
01:24:53,088 --> 01:24:55,469
to call it Leprechaun Butter.

1961
01:24:55,469 --> 01:24:57,920
And, I mean, that would
have been such a disaster.

1962
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,716
Tony O'Reilly, Michael Smurfit,
and Tony Ryan

1963
01:25:00,716 --> 01:25:02,269
were the Three Musketeers

1964
01:25:02,269 --> 01:25:04,789
who were doing this stuff
internationally

1965
01:25:04,789 --> 01:25:07,585
when there weren't Irish players
on the world stage.

1966
01:25:07,585 --> 01:25:09,069
We all owe them
a debt of gratitude for that,

1967
01:25:09,069 --> 01:25:10,588
because they did it at a time,

1968
01:25:10,588 --> 01:25:12,659
to use Myles na Gopaleen's
expression,

1969
01:25:12,659 --> 01:25:14,350
when it was neither popular
or not profitable,

1970
01:25:14,350 --> 01:25:16,007
but they made it both.

1971
01:25:16,007 --> 01:25:19,252
Tony O'Reilly saying he
succeeded despite being Irish,

1972
01:25:19,252 --> 01:25:22,289
whereas now, people succeed
<i>because</i> they're Irish.

1973
01:25:24,809 --> 01:25:27,915
Very, very proud of this.

1974
01:25:27,915 --> 01:25:30,055
Jefferson Smurfit Corporation

1975
01:25:30,055 --> 01:25:33,852
was the largest, fastest
growing company in America.

1976
01:25:33,852 --> 01:25:35,164
Yeah, that's fantastic.

1977
01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:38,409
Look where Apple is.

1978
01:25:38,409 --> 01:25:40,963
$3 trillion company now.

1979
01:25:40,963 --> 01:25:44,898
Yeah, so Jefferson Smurfit--
number one. Apple 13.

1980
01:25:44,898 --> 01:25:46,417
Wow. That's incredible.

1981
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:50,869
Slight change
of results since then.

1982
01:25:50,869 --> 01:25:52,940
Well,
they're both Irish companies.

1983
01:25:52,940 --> 01:25:55,633
That's Her Majesty The Queen
giving me the knighthood.

1984
01:25:55,633 --> 01:25:59,533
Ireland doesn't have awards
and doesn't give awards.

1985
01:25:59,533 --> 01:26:01,397
The only thing you can get
in Ireland

1986
01:26:01,397 --> 01:26:03,330
is an honorary doctorate.

1987
01:26:03,330 --> 01:26:04,987
Therefore,
it didn't seem right to me

1988
01:26:04,987 --> 01:26:08,163
that when I was knighted
by Her Majesty The Queen,

1989
01:26:08,163 --> 01:26:09,854
to use a title in Ireland,

1990
01:26:09,854 --> 01:26:12,305
where Ireland
didn't honor titles.

1991
01:26:12,305 --> 01:26:13,720
Although this is a republic now,

1992
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,309
and I'm often referred to
as Lord Dunsany,

1993
01:26:16,309 --> 01:26:18,242
in reality, as a republic,

1994
01:26:18,242 --> 01:26:20,692
I always introduce myself
as Randal Plunkett.

1995
01:26:20,692 --> 01:26:22,522
I allow other people,
usually Americans,

1996
01:26:22,522 --> 01:26:24,800
to call me Lord Dunsany.

1997
01:26:25,697 --> 01:26:27,492
I was born in England,
grew up in Ireland,

1998
01:26:27,492 --> 01:26:30,633
so I was moving quite a lot
as a young man,

1999
01:26:30,633 --> 01:26:32,428
and I remember the war years
very well

2000
01:26:32,428 --> 01:26:34,430
and my father being in the army,
marching past that gate

2001
01:26:34,430 --> 01:26:37,157
in St Helens in Lancashire,
where I grew up.

2002
01:26:37,157 --> 01:26:39,608
He was a big man to begin with.
He was over 6 feet.

2003
01:26:39,608 --> 01:26:42,438
My mother was very small.
My mother was just over 5 feet.

2004
01:26:42,438 --> 01:26:43,474
They used to talk
about the weather down here

2005
01:26:43,474 --> 01:26:44,785
and the weather up there.

2006
01:26:44,785 --> 01:26:47,271
They had eight children,
which I was the eldest.

2007
01:26:47,271 --> 01:26:49,652
We had a farm in Cleadon village
near Sunderland.

2008
01:26:49,652 --> 01:26:51,447
My father coined the expression,

2009
01:26:51,447 --> 01:26:53,484
"You buy brains,
and you make businessmen."

2010
01:26:53,484 --> 01:26:55,244
And he decided at age 16,

2011
01:26:55,244 --> 01:26:58,005
myself and my late brother Jeff
pulled out of Clongowes Wood,

2012
01:26:58,005 --> 01:27:00,836
went straight to the factory
floor and worked our way up.

2013
01:27:00,836 --> 01:27:03,459
And I learned at a very young
age how takeovers worked

2014
01:27:03,459 --> 01:27:05,323
and how balance sheets worked.

2015
01:27:05,323 --> 01:27:08,637
So, when my term came to be
to be running the business,

2016
01:27:08,637 --> 01:27:10,017
I knew where the goalposts were,

2017
01:27:10,017 --> 01:27:11,985
and I knew how to get
the ball over the line.

2018
01:27:11,985 --> 01:27:14,953
All these things come running
back when I talk to you.

2019
01:27:14,953 --> 01:27:18,060
Well, having nationalized
the Irish industry,

2020
01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:19,751
the government announced

2021
01:27:19,751 --> 01:27:21,822
that they're entering
into an agreement with the UK,

2022
01:27:21,822 --> 01:27:24,756
and in 10 years,
we're going to be equal tariffs.

2023
01:27:24,756 --> 01:27:26,896
Ireland made its own shoes
in those days.

2024
01:27:26,896 --> 01:27:29,036
It made its own shirts
and all these sort of things.

2025
01:27:29,036 --> 01:27:31,004
They're all going to go
by the wayside.

2026
01:27:31,004 --> 01:27:32,592
We were going to be decimated.

2027
01:27:32,592 --> 01:27:34,525
Our customer base
was going to be decimated.

2028
01:27:34,525 --> 01:27:37,044
So, I got the blessing
from my father to diversify

2029
01:27:37,044 --> 01:27:38,805
the company into the UK first

2030
01:27:38,805 --> 01:27:40,462
and then eventually
into America,

2031
01:27:40,462 --> 01:27:42,015
without which we wouldn't
have been where we are today

2032
01:27:42,015 --> 01:27:43,361
if we hadn't done that.

2033
01:27:43,361 --> 01:27:46,709
In Smurfit, I set out to be

2034
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:49,333
the best producer
of corrugated boxes

2035
01:27:49,333 --> 01:27:51,196
in the United Kingdom.
That was my goal.

2036
01:27:51,196 --> 01:27:54,027
We became the best,
and because we were the best,

2037
01:27:54,027 --> 01:27:55,511
we became the biggest.

2038
01:27:55,511 --> 01:27:57,548
One day I was in Los Angeles,

2039
01:27:57,548 --> 01:27:59,584
and one young analyst there
asked me,

2040
01:27:59,584 --> 01:28:01,034
"Have you ever thought about
buying

2041
01:28:01,034 --> 01:28:02,932
Container Corporation of America
from Mobil Oil?"

2042
01:28:02,932 --> 01:28:04,831
I was on a plane the next day
to New York,

2043
01:28:04,831 --> 01:28:06,660
and I tell you,
never looked back since then.

2044
01:28:06,660 --> 01:28:08,490
It was the greatest deal
I ever did.

2045
01:28:08,490 --> 01:28:10,802
That was the foundation
of the family fortune.

2046
01:28:10,802 --> 01:28:12,873
I gambled the company
twice in my life,

2047
01:28:12,873 --> 01:28:14,668
and that was
probably once too many.

2048
01:28:14,668 --> 01:28:17,844
In my day, nobody thought
of an Irish multinational.

2049
01:28:17,844 --> 01:28:18,845
We were the first.

2050
01:28:18,845 --> 01:28:23,228
You're having some fun now.

2051
01:28:23,228 --> 01:28:25,472
Is Michael Smurfit right

2052
01:28:25,472 --> 01:28:26,922
in saying that Smurfit was
the first?

2053
01:28:26,922 --> 01:28:29,787
Yes, he is,
in the 20th century.

2054
01:28:29,787 --> 01:28:33,100
We have been doing this
since 1759,

2055
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:37,691
so I would argue Guinness is
the first Irish multinational.

2056
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:43,179
I was never one
to scream from the rooftops

2057
01:28:43,179 --> 01:28:46,079
about what we gave as
a family or as a company.

2058
01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:48,081
When they put my name
over the business school,

2059
01:28:48,081 --> 01:28:49,841
for example,
I was horrified initially.

2060
01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:52,154
True giving is about
'cause you genuinely believe

2061
01:28:52,154 --> 01:28:55,399
that you have to give back
to society what is given to you.

2062
01:28:55,399 --> 01:28:57,055
And we got
a great deal from Ireland,

2063
01:28:57,055 --> 01:28:59,644
and we should
give something back to it.

2064
01:28:59,644 --> 01:29:01,197
I was asked
by the Rotunda Hospital

2065
01:29:01,197 --> 01:29:03,234
to come to visit one day,

2066
01:29:03,234 --> 01:29:04,925
and I came into this room,
and I said, "What's this?"

2067
01:29:04,925 --> 01:29:06,375
This is incubators.

2068
01:29:06,375 --> 01:29:07,928
And they said
they're going to lose

2069
01:29:07,928 --> 01:29:10,966
about four or five babies
that month

2070
01:29:10,966 --> 01:29:13,209
because they didn't
have enough incubators.

2071
01:29:13,209 --> 01:29:14,797
I said, "You're joking me."

2072
01:29:14,797 --> 01:29:16,765
I said, "You get on a plane,
go to America,

2073
01:29:16,765 --> 01:29:20,182
buy four incubators and bring
them in, whatever it costs."

2074
01:29:20,182 --> 01:29:21,597
I couldn't sleep that night

2075
01:29:21,597 --> 01:29:23,772
just thinking
of that simple thing like that.

2076
01:29:23,772 --> 01:29:25,221
My second son, when he was born,

2077
01:29:25,221 --> 01:29:27,776
was born four months premature,
was a blue baby.

2078
01:29:27,776 --> 01:29:30,123
He got the last rites.
He was going to die,

2079
01:29:30,123 --> 01:29:32,332
and he survived
because of the incubator.

2080
01:29:32,332 --> 01:29:34,058
I went back
a couple of years later.

2081
01:29:34,058 --> 01:29:36,025
I was invited for some ceremony,

2082
01:29:36,025 --> 01:29:38,234
and there was my name
up in the...

2083
01:29:38,234 --> 01:29:41,030
in the--
on the plaque on the wall.

2084
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:43,308
I didn't want that.
The last thing I wanted.

2085
01:29:43,308 --> 01:29:45,103
What do you consider

2086
01:29:45,103 --> 01:29:46,553
your greatest achievement?

2087
01:29:46,553 --> 01:29:48,348
That's
a very simple one to answer.

2088
01:29:48,348 --> 01:29:51,593
Seeing the Irish flag flying in
my factories around the world,

2089
01:29:51,593 --> 01:29:53,284
it was always something
I insisted upon--

2090
01:29:53,284 --> 01:29:54,734
the country flag,
the Irish flag,

2091
01:29:54,734 --> 01:29:57,702
and the company flag,
three masts in every factory.

2092
01:29:57,702 --> 01:29:59,463
Great pride in seeing that.

2093
01:29:59,463 --> 01:30:03,225
There's a close relationship
between Monaco and Ireland,

2094
01:30:03,225 --> 01:30:05,883
because of the history
of the Kelly family.

2095
01:30:05,883 --> 01:30:08,437
And, of course, I'm a very
close friend of the prince.

2096
01:30:08,437 --> 01:30:10,681
Give him my best wishes
when you see him.

2097
01:30:10,681 --> 01:30:13,373
Michael Smurfit
is a great friend of the family.

2098
01:30:13,373 --> 01:30:15,306
It's not only because,
of course,

2099
01:30:15,306 --> 01:30:18,067
of his consular duties here
in Monaco, but he helped

2100
01:30:18,067 --> 01:30:20,415
with the Princess Grace
Irish Library,

2101
01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:23,038
with Princess Grace Foundation,
with my foundation also,

2102
01:30:23,038 --> 01:30:24,419
And of course,
he's a great entrepreneur.

2103
01:30:24,419 --> 01:30:26,455
Love having conversations
with him

2104
01:30:26,455 --> 01:30:28,250
about his take on things.

2105
01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:45,888
I noticed
that you have something

2106
01:30:45,888 --> 01:30:47,407
interesting on your lapel there.

2107
01:30:49,202 --> 01:30:52,688
Well, yeah, I wore that
just for you for today,

2108
01:30:52,688 --> 01:30:55,208
but I do wear it
for St Patrick's

2109
01:30:55,208 --> 01:30:57,659
and for other
Irish momentous occasions.

2110
01:30:57,659 --> 01:30:59,971
And then,
of course, a shamrock tie.

2111
01:30:59,971 --> 01:31:03,319
As you can see, I've got
my green Ralph Lauren...

2112
01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:04,976
- ...jacket on.

2113
01:31:04,976 --> 01:31:08,083
My wife bought me this,
and I'd never really worn it.

2114
01:31:09,222 --> 01:31:11,362
Maybe I had one outing.

2115
01:31:11,362 --> 01:31:12,674
Through my mother's family,

2116
01:31:12,674 --> 01:31:14,123
through the Kellys
of County Mayo

2117
01:31:14,123 --> 01:31:15,918
and the ancestral home
in Drumilra,

2118
01:31:15,918 --> 01:31:17,610
we knew
that the Irish connection

2119
01:31:17,610 --> 01:31:19,197
was very solid.

2120
01:31:19,197 --> 01:31:23,132
Princess Grace's grandfather,
John Henry Kelly,

2121
01:31:23,132 --> 01:31:26,722
was born in Ireland
in County Mayo in 1847,

2122
01:31:26,722 --> 01:31:30,795
and at only 20 years old,
he emigrated.

2123
01:31:30,795 --> 01:31:33,315
As for all Irish immigrants
to any country,

2124
01:31:33,315 --> 01:31:36,283
but mostly to the United States,
it was extremely difficult.

2125
01:31:36,283 --> 01:31:38,734
My grandfather, yes,
he was a great entrepreneur,

2126
01:31:38,734 --> 01:31:41,150
and yes,
he was dedicated as a leader,

2127
01:31:41,150 --> 01:31:43,325
as a political figure
in Philadelphia,

2128
01:31:43,325 --> 01:31:45,465
and also the tremendous career

2129
01:31:45,465 --> 01:31:47,743
that my grandfather
had at rowing

2130
01:31:47,743 --> 01:31:49,918
is still looked upon
with incredible awe.

2131
01:31:49,918 --> 01:31:51,471
Not only a 2-time Olympian,

2132
01:31:51,471 --> 01:31:54,439
but a triple gold medalist
in the single and double sculls.

2133
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:58,098
It's uncanny that next year
the Olympics will be in Paris.

2134
01:31:58,098 --> 01:32:00,169
I will invite
my Kelly cousins over,

2135
01:32:00,169 --> 01:32:03,966
and we will all be able to watch
the double sculls final.

2136
01:32:03,966 --> 01:32:05,623
So, that'll be a great way
to celebrate

2137
01:32:05,623 --> 01:32:09,903
the 100th anniversary of that
third and final gold medal.

2138
01:32:09,903 --> 01:32:14,632
The 1961 visit by Prince Rainier
and Princess Grace was historic

2139
01:32:14,632 --> 01:32:18,118
because it was the first ever
visit by any head of state

2140
01:32:18,118 --> 01:32:22,157
to Ireland since the creation
of the Irish Free State in 1922.

2141
01:32:22,157 --> 01:32:24,953
So, it really
put Ireland on the map.

2142
01:32:24,953 --> 01:32:26,955
It was very
apparent that she was thrilled

2143
01:32:26,955 --> 01:32:29,751
to reconnect and to introduce
my father and her family

2144
01:32:29,751 --> 01:32:32,305
to her Irish roots,
and when I go to Ireland,

2145
01:32:32,305 --> 01:32:35,964
some people still remember that
fondly and with great detail.

2146
01:32:35,964 --> 01:32:37,517
There weren't
that many heads of state

2147
01:32:37,517 --> 01:32:39,036
that went to Ireland
in those days.

2148
01:32:39,036 --> 01:32:42,246
I'm still amazed to know
that it had such an impact

2149
01:32:42,246 --> 01:32:44,662
on everyone's lives.

2150
01:32:44,662 --> 01:32:47,113
Did she instill in you

2151
01:32:47,113 --> 01:32:50,081
the sense of the importance
of Irishness?

2152
01:32:50,081 --> 01:32:51,945
We knew that she had a passion

2153
01:32:51,945 --> 01:32:54,396
for everything of Irish culture.

2154
01:32:54,396 --> 01:32:55,949
She would go out of her way
and take time

2155
01:32:55,949 --> 01:32:58,780
to explain these things to us.

2156
01:32:58,780 --> 01:33:01,852
What she would be very proud of
is setting up

2157
01:33:01,852 --> 01:33:03,474
the Princess Grace
Irish Library.

2158
01:33:03,474 --> 01:33:07,098
It's a wonderful way
to celebrate my mother's legacy,

2159
01:33:07,098 --> 01:33:09,963
and I think
she'd be very proud of that.

2160
01:33:09,963 --> 01:33:14,934
The value of a library here
that showcases Irish culture.

2161
01:33:14,934 --> 01:33:18,662
Our treasure is
"Ulysses," first edition copy.

2162
01:33:18,662 --> 01:33:22,217
That's a copy that I'd like
to finish someday.

2163
01:33:22,217 --> 01:33:24,599
I've tried
to go through "Ulysses."

2164
01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:26,359
It's a bit tough
to get through in one go,

2165
01:33:26,359 --> 01:33:27,843
so...

2166
01:33:27,843 --> 01:33:29,845
Uh, maybe when I have more time,

2167
01:33:29,845 --> 01:33:32,365
I will be able to go
through that quietly

2168
01:33:32,365 --> 01:33:34,781
and peacefully
to get the full gist of it.

2169
01:33:34,781 --> 01:33:36,265
We say in Ireland,

2170
01:33:36,265 --> 01:33:38,958
it's the book we pretend
the most that we've read.

2171
01:33:41,132 --> 01:33:43,272
The other thing
we discovered researching

2172
01:33:43,272 --> 01:33:46,966
your Irish heritage,
is that the first photo

2173
01:33:46,966 --> 01:33:48,588
of your parents meeting
here in the palace...

2174
01:33:48,588 --> 01:33:49,762
Mm-hmm.

2175
01:33:49,762 --> 01:33:51,902
...was taken
by an Irish photographer

2176
01:33:51,902 --> 01:33:53,489
from Dublin, Edward Quinn.

2177
01:33:53,489 --> 01:33:54,974
- Yes, Mm-hmm.
- Ted Quinn.

2178
01:33:54,974 --> 01:33:56,941
Um, he had been
the unit photographer

2179
01:33:56,941 --> 01:33:59,047
on "To Catch a Thief," so...
- Exactly, yeah.

2180
01:33:59,047 --> 01:34:00,842
...Princess Grace and him
had a...

2181
01:34:00,842 --> 01:34:02,188
- Yeah.
- ...close rapport, so she's--

2182
01:34:02,188 --> 01:34:03,776
she's very relaxed.
- Yeah.

2183
01:34:03,776 --> 01:34:07,434
So, it's amazing to think there
was an Irishman capturing...

2184
01:34:07,434 --> 01:34:09,022
- I know.
- ...a historic moment

2185
01:34:09,022 --> 01:34:11,059
in the Grimaldi family history.

2186
01:34:11,059 --> 01:34:14,752
No, and we were able to purchase
his photographic collection.

2187
01:34:14,752 --> 01:34:17,444
He was
a really great photographer.

2188
01:34:21,103 --> 01:34:22,864
The secret
to a good Irish coffee

2189
01:34:22,864 --> 01:34:25,211
is to know what
an Irish coffee is. Right?

2190
01:34:25,211 --> 01:34:26,833
When I go somewhere, and I
order an Irish coffee

2191
01:34:26,833 --> 01:34:29,318
and it comes out
looking like a latte,

2192
01:34:29,318 --> 01:34:31,666
I think I'm--I shouldn't
have ordered that.

2193
01:34:31,666 --> 01:34:33,150
You don't want
the cream to sink.

2194
01:34:33,150 --> 01:34:34,496
And a lot of people have
a lot of theories

2195
01:34:34,496 --> 01:34:36,671
about the back of the spoon,
the top of the spoon.

2196
01:34:36,671 --> 01:34:37,879
Balance of sugar.

2197
01:34:37,879 --> 01:34:40,364
The trick is
very, very hot coffee...

2198
01:34:40,364 --> 01:34:42,469
Good quality Irish whiskey.

2199
01:34:42,469 --> 01:34:44,264
...and very, very cold cream.

2200
01:34:44,264 --> 01:34:47,509
And then you just need the top
of cream that's not overwhipped

2201
01:34:47,509 --> 01:34:49,166
so it looks like a Guinness.

2202
01:34:49,166 --> 01:34:50,408
What do you think

2203
01:34:50,408 --> 01:34:53,549
is the secret
of a great Irish coffee?

2204
01:34:53,549 --> 01:34:55,413
Bushmills Whiskey.

2205
01:34:56,794 --> 01:34:59,279
Pre-20th century,
Irish whiskey was possibly

2206
01:34:59,279 --> 01:35:01,385
the most important whiskey
in the world,

2207
01:35:01,385 --> 01:35:03,456
and I'm sure
that the Scottish people

2208
01:35:03,456 --> 01:35:05,182
might, um, might--
might lynch me for that.

2209
01:35:05,182 --> 01:35:07,149
But we were. We were
more important than Scotch.

2210
01:35:07,149 --> 01:35:09,013
We were better quality
than scotch.

2211
01:35:09,013 --> 01:35:10,739
We were drank mostly
in the States and the UK,

2212
01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:12,534
our two biggest markets.

2213
01:35:12,534 --> 01:35:14,536
Riding high--Irish whiskey.

2214
01:35:14,536 --> 01:35:17,332
A couple of global events
and national events happened.

2215
01:35:17,332 --> 01:35:18,851
So, first of all, we had
the War of Independence

2216
01:35:18,851 --> 01:35:20,507
here in the 1920s.

2217
01:35:20,507 --> 01:35:22,855
Our biggest market, the UK,
was now closed off.

2218
01:35:22,855 --> 01:35:25,029
Secondly,
our second biggest market,

2219
01:35:25,029 --> 01:35:26,893
the U.S., went through
13 years of Prohibition,

2220
01:35:26,893 --> 01:35:28,481
where we know it was illegal

2221
01:35:28,481 --> 01:35:30,517
both to make, sell,
and drink alcohol.

2222
01:35:30,517 --> 01:35:33,969
After Prohibition, we then
had the Second World War.

2223
01:35:33,969 --> 01:35:35,591
So, pre-20th century,

2224
01:35:35,591 --> 01:35:39,699
we had roughly about
75 distilleries on this island.

2225
01:35:39,699 --> 01:35:42,806
Post World War II, we had three.

2226
01:35:44,911 --> 01:35:47,224
We see it
that we're all an Irish family,

2227
01:35:47,224 --> 01:35:49,088
and we want
to be number one again.

2228
01:35:49,088 --> 01:35:50,814
We want our title back
from the Scotch

2229
01:35:50,814 --> 01:35:52,436
and everybody else
that's out there.

2230
01:35:52,436 --> 01:35:54,645
But Bushmills is one
of the first to make whiskey,

2231
01:35:54,645 --> 01:35:57,441
and for us, that's a very
important thing to say,

2232
01:35:57,441 --> 01:35:59,892
that in Ireland,
we've been making whiskey

2233
01:35:59,892 --> 01:36:02,273
a lot longer than
the Scotch counterparts.

2234
01:36:02,273 --> 01:36:03,827
So, the wonderful water
here at Bushmills

2235
01:36:03,827 --> 01:36:05,690
is something
we're very passionate about,

2236
01:36:05,690 --> 01:36:08,521
and why we believe Bushmills
has that distinct character.

2237
01:36:08,521 --> 01:36:10,799
So, our water flows
through the same limestone

2238
01:36:10,799 --> 01:36:12,697
and basalt rock
at the Giant's Causeway.

2239
01:36:12,697 --> 01:36:14,147
It's a tributary
of the River Bush,

2240
01:36:14,147 --> 01:36:16,667
and it's said to have been
blessed many, many years ago

2241
01:36:16,667 --> 01:36:18,289
by St. Columba,
one of Ireland's 12 apostles,

2242
01:36:18,289 --> 01:36:21,845
as the purest form of water
in Ireland.

2243
01:36:21,845 --> 01:36:23,570
So, the best bit about my job

2244
01:36:23,570 --> 01:36:27,540
is that I get to taste whiskey
every day and call it my job.

2245
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:29,128
I get to open casks

2246
01:36:29,128 --> 01:36:31,371
that haven't been touched
for many, many years

2247
01:36:31,371 --> 01:36:34,374
and be the first
to taste that whiskey.

2248
01:36:34,374 --> 01:36:37,446
It really is a dream come true
to be a master blender

2249
01:36:37,446 --> 01:36:40,001
and be part of the legacy
of Bushmills.

2250
01:36:41,657 --> 01:36:43,176
I always like to think,

2251
01:36:43,176 --> 01:36:44,557
if you're trying
a whiskey for the first time,

2252
01:36:44,557 --> 01:36:47,042
you should sit down
in a lovely, quiet room,

2253
01:36:47,042 --> 01:36:48,078
close the curtains,
and don't tell anybody else

2254
01:36:48,078 --> 01:36:49,700
you have the bottle.

2255
01:36:49,700 --> 01:36:51,150
Let it tell you its story.

2256
01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:52,945
Let the sip
of each time you take it

2257
01:36:52,945 --> 01:36:54,670
reveal something new to you.

2258
01:36:54,670 --> 01:36:56,465
That little hint
of marzipan there.

2259
01:36:56,465 --> 01:36:58,709
This one's almost like
Christmas cake in a glass.

2260
01:36:58,709 --> 01:37:00,918
I always think of my grandmother
when I'm drinking this one

2261
01:37:00,918 --> 01:37:02,057
and those lovely fruitcakes

2262
01:37:02,057 --> 01:37:04,094
that she used
to make growing up.

2263
01:37:08,823 --> 01:37:11,860
Ricky has explained the rules
of Gaelic and stuff to me.

2264
01:37:11,860 --> 01:37:13,758
I would never play that.

2265
01:37:13,758 --> 01:37:15,933
That's a very dangerous sport.

2266
01:37:15,933 --> 01:37:18,660
If you had a good hurling stick
and you wanted to keep it,

2267
01:37:18,660 --> 01:37:20,904
you'd have to, you know,
you get a crack in it.

2268
01:37:20,904 --> 01:37:24,769
So, you get the little bit of
metal would be around the turf.

2269
01:37:24,769 --> 01:37:26,185
You'd nail that in.

2270
01:37:26,185 --> 01:37:28,049
Of course,
that'd slice your head off.

2271
01:37:28,049 --> 01:37:30,258
That's a grand hurling stick.
There you go now.

2272
01:37:30,258 --> 01:37:33,640
Look at that. Oh, yeah. I used
to love kind of running down

2273
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,677
and...

2274
01:37:35,677 --> 01:37:38,991
Trying to break a window
or something like that.

2275
01:37:38,991 --> 01:37:41,994
Find an old building.

2276
01:37:45,238 --> 01:37:48,276
<i>The GAA is one
of the most impressive</i>

2277
01:37:48,276 --> 01:37:50,830
<i>amateur sporting organizations
in the world.</i>

2278
01:37:50,830 --> 01:37:53,764
<i>My granduncle and grandfather,
John and Jerome Mannion,</i>

2279
01:37:53,764 --> 01:37:56,111
<i>played in the first
all-Ireland hurling final.</i>

2280
01:37:56,111 --> 01:37:58,458
<i>Back in the day,
in the 19th century,</i>

2281
01:37:58,458 --> 01:38:00,495
<i>they came up with the idea
of using whiskey corks</i>

2282
01:38:00,495 --> 01:38:03,532
<i>as the interior
of a sliotar ball.</i>

2283
01:38:03,532 --> 01:38:07,536
Sliotar. The Sliotar.
Yeah, there you go.

2284
01:38:07,536 --> 01:38:11,299
<i>This was to make them less
leaden and heavy when it rained.</i>

2285
01:38:11,299 --> 01:38:14,405
<i>This eureka moment came to them
having a drink of whiskey</i>

2286
01:38:14,405 --> 01:38:17,236
<i>after a particularly rainy
hurling match.</i>

2287
01:38:17,236 --> 01:38:18,962
<i>So, there is
actually a connection</i>

2288
01:38:18,962 --> 01:38:21,171
<i>between Irish whiskey
and the GAA.</i>

2289
01:38:22,655 --> 01:38:25,002
The GAA was founded in 1884,

2290
01:38:25,002 --> 01:38:28,178
and it has given us
a sense of pride,

2291
01:38:28,178 --> 01:38:30,732
a sense of belonging,
that no matter where we are,

2292
01:38:30,732 --> 01:38:32,630
that rivalry between club

2293
01:38:32,630 --> 01:38:34,391
and county is intense.

2294
01:38:34,391 --> 01:38:37,808
For an hour on one Sunday
or one Saturday,

2295
01:38:37,808 --> 01:38:40,328
we might go hammer and tongs
against each other.

2296
01:38:40,328 --> 01:38:41,570
But at the end of the day,

2297
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:44,021
you put your arm
around that person,

2298
01:38:44,021 --> 01:38:45,471
and you say you're a family.

2299
01:38:45,471 --> 01:38:47,300
That's the GAA.

2300
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:49,164
You don't get
transferred anywhere.

2301
01:38:49,164 --> 01:38:51,028
You stay where you are.

2302
01:38:51,028 --> 01:38:52,409
This is your home.

2303
01:38:52,409 --> 01:38:54,480
This is where you live
and breathe,

2304
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:55,584
build all your memories.

2305
01:38:55,584 --> 01:38:58,001
And this is your county,
because Ireland,

2306
01:38:58,001 --> 01:39:01,280
some people might not know,
is divided into 32 counties.

2307
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:05,284
My parents are both
Waterford-born and bred.

2308
01:39:05,284 --> 01:39:07,527
My mother was very--
actually, both of my parents,

2309
01:39:07,527 --> 01:39:10,047
very proud
of their Waterford background,

2310
01:39:10,047 --> 01:39:11,704
and that's a form of tribalism.

2311
01:39:11,704 --> 01:39:13,395
But then you have the GAA,
which, in my view,

2312
01:39:13,395 --> 01:39:15,397
is one
of the greatest organizations

2313
01:39:15,397 --> 01:39:19,332
of the 20th and 21st centuries,
an organization that's managed

2314
01:39:19,332 --> 01:39:23,371
to develop a code of sport
that only exists in one country.

2315
01:39:23,371 --> 01:39:26,477
And that means that our county
identities are so vital to us.

2316
01:39:26,477 --> 01:39:29,032
So, I'm a Waterford fan,
and I'll always be,

2317
01:39:29,032 --> 01:39:31,586
and I'll always feel
particular affection for

2318
01:39:31,586 --> 01:39:35,141
and devotion
to all things Waterford.

2319
01:39:35,141 --> 01:39:36,591
You can't leave
your county behind.

2320
01:39:36,591 --> 01:39:39,042
Your county's always in you,
no matter what parts

2321
01:39:39,042 --> 01:39:41,044
of the country
or the world you're in.

2322
01:39:41,044 --> 01:39:42,493
You see it on our small island,

2323
01:39:42,493 --> 01:39:44,633
just the differences,
north and south,

2324
01:39:44,633 --> 01:39:46,601
even in the north,
within the north.

2325
01:39:46,601 --> 01:39:49,776
I always think that the border
is not between north and south,

2326
01:39:49,776 --> 01:39:52,124
but it's within
the communities in Ireland.

2327
01:39:52,124 --> 01:39:54,091
I think we are quite tribal.

2328
01:39:54,091 --> 01:39:56,991
I think we have
a strong sense of community,

2329
01:39:56,991 --> 01:39:58,716
neighbors
and the squinting windows

2330
01:39:58,716 --> 01:40:00,546
and all that kind of stuff,

2331
01:40:00,546 --> 01:40:03,100
everything from language
to sports to food

2332
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:04,722
distinguished
the characteristics

2333
01:40:04,722 --> 01:40:05,965
of those different tribes.

2334
01:40:05,965 --> 01:40:07,622
Frankly, long may it continue.

2335
01:40:07,622 --> 01:40:10,038
I'd hate to think of it
as just one, you know, um,

2336
01:40:10,038 --> 01:40:12,661
amorphous kind of blob.

2337
01:40:12,661 --> 01:40:15,664
Mr. President, 25 years ago,

2338
01:40:15,664 --> 01:40:19,151
a different band of dreamers
and realists, men and women,

2339
01:40:19,151 --> 01:40:21,256
peacemakers and idealists,

2340
01:40:21,256 --> 01:40:23,224
came together
to make a new promise

2341
01:40:23,224 --> 01:40:26,917
to a new generation of people
on this island.

2342
01:40:26,917 --> 01:40:29,299
It was the promise of peace,

2343
01:40:29,299 --> 01:40:33,165
of a future free from violence
and the fear of violence.

2344
01:40:33,165 --> 01:40:36,651
When I grew up through 30 years
of violence on this island,

2345
01:40:36,651 --> 01:40:39,861
saw a lot of things I wouldn't
like anybody else to see.

2346
01:40:39,861 --> 01:40:42,139
I think there's a very
strong chance that some form

2347
01:40:42,139 --> 01:40:46,281
of agreed Ireland could emerge
over the next couple of decades.

2348
01:40:46,281 --> 01:40:48,145
I think
we've got to be very careful

2349
01:40:48,145 --> 01:40:50,113
how we move forward on this.

2350
01:40:50,113 --> 01:40:54,358
I find it disappointing
that the last 25 years of peace

2351
01:40:54,358 --> 01:40:58,190
haven't made more progress
towards greater understanding

2352
01:40:58,190 --> 01:40:59,467
on the island of Ireland,

2353
01:40:59,467 --> 01:41:01,814
and there's still
very deep divisions,

2354
01:41:01,814 --> 01:41:02,918
but I do recognize that we are

2355
01:41:02,918 --> 01:41:06,439
at an inflection point,
as Joe Biden often says,

2356
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,476
where things in the future
may be very different

2357
01:41:08,476 --> 01:41:10,616
from the way they are now.

2358
01:41:10,616 --> 01:41:14,516
I mean, frankly, my main concern
with United Ireland

2359
01:41:14,516 --> 01:41:16,415
is less about the economic

2360
01:41:16,415 --> 01:41:19,418
and more about the societal side
of things.

2361
01:41:19,418 --> 01:41:21,799
Look, you know,
I'm very proud to be Irish,

2362
01:41:21,799 --> 01:41:24,906
but we can't
have a situation where

2363
01:41:24,906 --> 01:41:28,185
one group forces another group
into United Ireland.

2364
01:41:28,185 --> 01:41:30,153
I don't think
it'll ever come by force.

2365
01:41:30,153 --> 01:41:32,741
I don't think it can
and nor should it.

2366
01:41:32,741 --> 01:41:35,951
When we were children,
Dad brought us to every county,

2367
01:41:35,951 --> 01:41:37,539
north and south,

2368
01:41:37,539 --> 01:41:39,541
and my mum is from Omeath
in County Louth,

2369
01:41:39,541 --> 01:41:41,716
which is right on the border.

2370
01:41:41,716 --> 01:41:43,925
It was in the middle
of the Troubles,

2371
01:41:43,925 --> 01:41:47,377
and we heard across the way
what was going on in Newry

2372
01:41:47,377 --> 01:41:49,275
and in the north
and in County Down,

2373
01:41:49,275 --> 01:41:50,518
you could hear
what was happening.

2374
01:41:50,518 --> 01:41:52,968
I would vote
for a United Ireland.

2375
01:41:52,968 --> 01:41:55,005
I would. I'd like to see it.

2376
01:41:55,005 --> 01:41:58,146
I'm looking forward
to the future we all share.

2377
01:41:58,146 --> 01:42:00,459
There's so much
cultural significance

2378
01:42:00,459 --> 01:42:02,150
to Northern Ireland.

2379
01:42:02,150 --> 01:42:03,979
There's so much history
and rich culture,

2380
01:42:03,979 --> 01:42:07,293
that it would be really lovely
to see United Ireland.

2381
01:42:07,293 --> 01:42:09,813
But I don't think
our opinion is as important

2382
01:42:09,813 --> 01:42:12,229
in this debate as, like,
someone living

2383
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:13,851
in Northern Ireland
at the moment.

2384
01:42:13,851 --> 01:42:15,577
I think
they're really in the hotspot.

2385
01:42:15,577 --> 01:42:18,477
It's really them
who need to be looked after.

2386
01:42:19,788 --> 01:42:21,963
If, in a referendum,

2387
01:42:21,963 --> 01:42:25,277
a United Ireland was voted for
by a majority,

2388
01:42:25,277 --> 01:42:27,796
would you accept that?

2389
01:42:30,661 --> 01:42:32,629
You can see it c--
And what do you think

2390
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:36,633
the community here, you know,
would think about it?

2391
01:42:52,614 --> 01:42:54,616
We've just come up
from the south amazed to see

2392
01:42:54,616 --> 01:42:57,861
so many Union Jack flags
promoting one view.

2393
01:42:57,861 --> 01:43:00,415
Does that surprise you, or do
you just take it for granted?

2394
01:43:00,415 --> 01:43:05,248
I'm not surprised,
but I am disappointed.

2395
01:43:05,248 --> 01:43:07,250
It doesn't represent me.

2396
01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:09,113
And even though
I might have been

2397
01:43:09,113 --> 01:43:14,705
from a very loyalist place
geographically, growing up,

2398
01:43:14,705 --> 01:43:19,503
these flags excludes others
that I don't want excluded.

2399
01:43:19,503 --> 01:43:20,642
Wallace is, you know,
your maiden name?

2400
01:43:20,642 --> 01:43:22,265
Maiden name, yes.

2401
01:43:22,265 --> 01:43:24,819
- O'Neill is you--
- Is my married name.

2402
01:43:24,819 --> 01:43:27,546
Does that seem like
a cross-border divide?

2403
01:43:27,546 --> 01:43:28,788
It was when we got...

2404
01:43:28,788 --> 01:43:30,928
Yes, it was when we got married.
Yeah. Yes.

2405
01:43:30,928 --> 01:43:34,346
We're marr--
uh, 2005, we got married.

2406
01:43:34,346 --> 01:43:36,037
We started dating in 2000,

2407
01:43:36,037 --> 01:43:38,073
you know, two years
after the Good Friday Agreement.

2408
01:43:38,073 --> 01:43:40,835
So... but even two years after
the Good Friday Agreement, yeah,

2409
01:43:40,835 --> 01:43:43,734
there was still definitely,
for sure.

2410
01:43:43,734 --> 01:43:46,944
So, Sophia, would
you vote for United Ireland?

2411
01:43:46,944 --> 01:43:49,326
Uh, I think I would.

2412
01:43:49,326 --> 01:43:50,948
I think it's easy enough
for us to say, yeah,

2413
01:43:50,948 --> 01:43:53,330
we would want that
and, yeah, we would want

2414
01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:55,815
to be united, and we would want
to be one state,

2415
01:43:55,815 --> 01:43:58,093
but obviously there's people
here that wouldn't want that.

2416
01:43:58,093 --> 01:43:59,750
It's not gonna be
straightforward,

2417
01:43:59,750 --> 01:44:01,407
and I'm sure
there's lots of people

2418
01:44:01,407 --> 01:44:03,616
who would--who would fear it, probably.

2419
01:44:03,616 --> 01:44:06,101
And, yes, the violence,
I suppose, is something

2420
01:44:06,101 --> 01:44:07,413
we would be worried about.

2421
01:44:07,413 --> 01:44:10,244
We don't want to go back down
that path again.

2422
01:44:10,244 --> 01:44:13,902
Once it comes up, and there is
a lot of chat and talk about,

2423
01:44:13,902 --> 01:44:16,940
at the time, whenever it
comes to a referendum,

2424
01:44:16,940 --> 01:44:18,976
if it does happen,
then it will--

2425
01:44:18,976 --> 01:44:23,464
I think there's...
there's certainly...

2426
01:44:23,464 --> 01:44:28,365
the very high potential
for trouble or... issues,

2427
01:44:28,365 --> 01:44:30,540
as you say,
Northern Irish-based issues

2428
01:44:30,540 --> 01:44:31,920
that we're all
very well aware of.

2429
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,682
So, I suppose making Ireland
better known for is

2430
01:44:34,682 --> 01:44:36,856
places such as this,
as opposed to the violence

2431
01:44:36,856 --> 01:44:39,721
and the troubles that have
hopefully seen the last of.

2432
01:44:39,721 --> 01:44:41,585
Time will tell, I suppose.

2433
01:44:41,585 --> 01:44:46,245
I often see
within a teenage setting

2434
01:44:46,245 --> 01:44:48,627
that there's potential
for them to have

2435
01:44:48,627 --> 01:44:51,077
very extreme polar views.

2436
01:44:51,077 --> 01:44:54,288
But there are a large growing
amount of peoples

2437
01:44:54,288 --> 01:44:56,945
from different sides
of the community

2438
01:44:56,945 --> 01:44:59,431
consciously deciding
to be educated

2439
01:44:59,431 --> 01:45:02,226
in an atmosphere
of tolerance and respect.

2440
01:45:02,226 --> 01:45:04,781
For me, it's live and let live.
You get on with your life,

2441
01:45:04,781 --> 01:45:06,817
you do your best for
your family, for your children.

2442
01:45:06,817 --> 01:45:09,717
You know, it just--
it spans generations.

2443
01:45:09,717 --> 01:45:13,203
And until that finishes, I don't
think we'll get very far.

2444
01:45:13,203 --> 01:45:14,618
This island is for everyone.

2445
01:45:14,618 --> 01:45:16,102
Northern Ireland is
for everyone.

2446
01:45:16,102 --> 01:45:17,932
Times are changin',
and I think a lot of people

2447
01:45:17,932 --> 01:45:22,350
wanna just get on
and move on with the future.

2448
01:45:25,146 --> 01:45:28,391
These are typically
Irish language, Gaelic names.

2449
01:45:28,391 --> 01:45:29,771
Uh-huh.

2450
01:45:29,771 --> 01:45:32,429
Could you see if you can try
and pronounce...

2451
01:45:32,429 --> 01:45:34,017
- Okay.
- ...any of these--the top...

2452
01:45:34,017 --> 01:45:35,881
Wow.

2453
01:45:35,881 --> 01:45:37,400
Just trying to
ask you, how you pronounce it?

2454
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:38,470
Ah.

2455
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:40,299
No, that's not fair, guys.

2456
01:45:40,299 --> 01:45:41,852
That's not fair at all.

2457
01:45:41,852 --> 01:45:44,372
Oh, good heavens. [laughs] Oh.

2458
01:45:44,372 --> 01:45:47,064
Oh, my God. This--I'm the--

2459
01:45:47,064 --> 01:45:48,307
I'm the wrong Irishman
to bring this to.

2460
01:45:48,307 --> 01:45:51,034
Okay, I'm gonna try.

2461
01:45:51,034 --> 01:45:52,622
Ai-ofee?

2462
01:45:52,622 --> 01:45:54,209
- Auf-fee?
- Oaf-fee?

2463
01:45:54,209 --> 01:45:57,523
A-fee? Auf-fee?

2464
01:45:57,523 --> 01:45:58,869
- Wuff?
-[laughs] No.

2465
01:45:58,869 --> 01:46:00,181
A-wuff?

2466
01:46:00,181 --> 01:46:02,597
Ao-fee?

2467
01:46:02,597 --> 01:46:04,772
No, it's not ao-fee.

2468
01:46:04,772 --> 01:46:06,014
Ee-fah.

2469
01:46:06,014 --> 01:46:07,809
Dare-buh.

2470
01:46:07,809 --> 01:46:09,984
- Deir-bruha?
- It's Deir-bruha?

2471
01:46:09,984 --> 01:46:11,399
Dervla.

2472
01:46:11,399 --> 01:46:12,745
Deir-blah?

2473
01:46:12,745 --> 01:46:14,851
Deer-blah?

2474
01:46:18,475 --> 01:46:19,718
Derv-lah.

2475
01:46:19,718 --> 01:46:22,065
Pay-drag.

2476
01:46:22,065 --> 01:46:23,411
Pa-dreg.

2477
01:46:23,411 --> 01:46:25,033
Pa-dring?

2478
01:46:25,033 --> 01:46:26,759
Par-rig. Par-rig.

2479
01:46:26,759 --> 01:46:28,761
She-bahn.

2480
01:46:28,761 --> 01:46:30,142
Shu-ban?

2481
01:46:30,142 --> 01:46:31,799
Shu-ban.

2482
01:46:31,799 --> 01:46:33,352
Shi-vahn.

2483
01:46:33,352 --> 01:46:35,906
And... Say-orze?

2484
01:46:35,906 --> 01:46:37,080
Syource?

2485
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,047
Soar-cee.

2486
01:46:39,047 --> 01:46:40,255
Seer-saw.

2487
01:46:40,255 --> 01:46:43,707
I don't know.

2488
01:46:43,707 --> 01:46:46,607
Ser-sha. Ser-sha. Ser-sha.

2489
01:46:46,607 --> 01:46:47,642
- May.
- May.

2490
01:46:47,642 --> 01:46:49,023
- May.

2491
01:46:49,023 --> 01:46:51,577
- Yeah, I got one? Yes!
- That's right?

2492
01:46:51,577 --> 01:46:53,614
And a few, I came close.
Yeah, it's...

2493
01:46:53,614 --> 01:46:57,756
It takes a lot
of imagination, though.

2494
01:46:57,756 --> 01:47:00,897
Well done.
I'm impressed that you did...

2495
01:47:00,897 --> 01:47:03,002
- Cheers. Frank is much easier.

2496
01:47:03,002 --> 01:47:04,694
You were sensible enough

2497
01:47:04,694 --> 01:47:08,111
to give your firstborn son
a pronounceable Irish name.

2498
01:47:08,111 --> 01:47:11,217
- What did you choose?
- Sean. Sean.

2499
01:47:11,217 --> 01:47:13,599
Yes.

2500
01:47:13,599 --> 01:47:15,705
This is a very sensible name.

2501
01:47:15,705 --> 01:47:18,742
I remember the morning
we named him very well.

2502
01:47:18,742 --> 01:47:20,641
We were an Acapulco.

2503
01:47:20,641 --> 01:47:22,712
Anyway, that's another story.

2504
01:47:22,712 --> 01:47:24,714
You have to help me
with the Gaelic expression,

2505
01:47:24,714 --> 01:47:27,233
"100,000 welcomes." What's it?

2506
01:47:27,233 --> 01:47:30,823
<i>- Céad Míle Fáilte.
- Céad Míle Fáilte.</i>

2507
01:47:30,823 --> 01:47:32,584
Bob Geldof said
that the English

2508
01:47:32,584 --> 01:47:34,413
never understood the Irish.

2509
01:47:34,413 --> 01:47:36,553
Do you think that?

2510
01:47:36,553 --> 01:47:40,833
Um... Maybe the language.
Possibly.

2511
01:47:40,833 --> 01:47:43,802
So, in the great void
of the Famine,

2512
01:47:43,802 --> 01:47:46,598
uh, this is cliché
for all Irish people. Sorry.

2513
01:47:46,598 --> 01:47:49,946
But, um,
in the great void that was left,

2514
01:47:49,946 --> 01:47:53,363
a set of artists had to invent
a sense of ourselves.

2515
01:47:53,363 --> 01:47:55,779
They had to take
the language hostage

2516
01:47:55,779 --> 01:47:58,161
that they were given
and wrestle with it

2517
01:47:58,161 --> 01:48:00,819
and make it their own, which
they very successfully did.

2518
01:48:00,819 --> 01:48:02,372
We always talk about this,
that we're really happy

2519
01:48:02,372 --> 01:48:03,891
that our first feature film

2520
01:48:03,891 --> 01:48:05,824
was in our mother tongue,
in the Irish language.

2521
01:48:05,824 --> 01:48:07,273
And there's a lovely saying,
isn't there?

2522
01:48:07,273 --> 01:48:09,483
An old Irish saying,
<i>"Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam,"</i>

2523
01:48:09,483 --> 01:48:11,208
which means,

2524
01:48:11,208 --> 01:48:14,315
"A country without a language
is a country without a soul."

2525
01:48:14,315 --> 01:48:16,800
And we're so lucky that we have
our own indigenous language

2526
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,182
here in Ireland
and that it's--it's spoken.

2527
01:48:19,182 --> 01:48:22,461
And hopefully it's experiencing
somewhat of a revival,

2528
01:48:22,461 --> 01:48:24,946
you know, of late, so...

2529
01:48:24,946 --> 01:48:27,328
I can't even say it in the pa--
<i>Is fuath liom an Ghaeilge.</i>

2530
01:48:27,328 --> 01:48:29,606
Like, that means,
"I hate Irish," doesn't it?

2531
01:48:29,606 --> 01:48:31,781
But I don't hate Irish.
I love Irish.

2532
01:48:31,781 --> 01:48:35,439
I hated Irish--I hated Irish
in school, like, so badly.

2533
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:37,131
You can't go to the toilet
unless you can say it

2534
01:48:37,131 --> 01:48:39,374
in the lang--like, like,
so it was...

2535
01:48:39,374 --> 01:48:41,687
or if you had to get lines,
and I always had to do lines.

2536
01:48:41,687 --> 01:48:43,206
You'd have to write
the lines in Irish.

2537
01:48:43,206 --> 01:48:45,173
So, I just, like, associated it
with, like, pun--

2538
01:48:45,173 --> 01:48:46,554
like, punishment.

2539
01:48:46,554 --> 01:48:48,176
The great thing about Irish

2540
01:48:48,176 --> 01:48:50,316
is everyone
becomes very fluent in Irish

2541
01:48:50,316 --> 01:48:52,422
when they go on holidays,
and they want to talk about

2542
01:48:52,422 --> 01:48:55,701
the English-speaking people
on the beach beside them.

2543
01:48:55,701 --> 01:48:57,323
And suddenly we're all able

2544
01:48:57,323 --> 01:48:59,843
to put a couple of sentences
in Irish together.

2545
01:48:59,843 --> 01:49:02,328
As a man who loves
to complain about things,

2546
01:49:02,328 --> 01:49:05,849
to complain in Irish
would have its own joys.

2547
01:49:05,849 --> 01:49:07,989
<i>An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí
an leithreas?</i>

2548
01:49:07,989 --> 01:49:09,922
which, if you don't know, is,

2549
01:49:09,922 --> 01:49:12,476
"Can I go to the toilet,
please?"

2550
01:49:12,476 --> 01:49:14,340
And every Irish person
remembers--

2551
01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:16,204
if they remember nothing,
they remember that because

2552
01:49:16,204 --> 01:49:19,380
they had to use it in school
if they needed to go for a wee.

2553
01:49:19,380 --> 01:49:23,246
So... <i>An bhfuil cead agam
dul go dtí an leithreas?</i>

2554
01:49:23,246 --> 01:49:25,731
And if you say it like that,
it sounds very grand,

2555
01:49:25,731 --> 01:49:27,664
but it's not at all.

2556
01:49:27,664 --> 01:49:29,908
The main one being <i>"sláinte,"</i>

2557
01:49:29,908 --> 01:49:32,186
it's used,
I think, on many an occasion

2558
01:49:32,186 --> 01:49:34,671
When I go to Ireland,
it's several times a day.

2559
01:49:36,293 --> 01:49:40,194
Wasn't it an incredible act
of destruction

2560
01:49:40,194 --> 01:49:42,921
to prohibit people
speaking their language,

2561
01:49:42,921 --> 01:49:46,649
to change all the names of
their terrain and their ecology?

2562
01:49:46,649 --> 01:49:48,651
Punish children
if they use the language,

2563
01:49:48,651 --> 01:49:51,999
and the nonsense
of suggesting that there is

2564
01:49:51,999 --> 01:49:54,104
something subversive
about using a language

2565
01:49:54,104 --> 01:49:58,005
that was used by all of us.
It is just so objectionable.

2566
01:49:58,005 --> 01:50:00,628
It was associated
with the mind of empire.

2567
01:50:00,628 --> 01:50:02,078
We're not out of it.

2568
01:50:02,078 --> 01:50:04,770
The <i>cúpla focal</i>
isn't good enough anymore.

2569
01:50:18,094 --> 01:50:22,270
My mother May is
still alive. We speak every day.

2570
01:50:22,270 --> 01:50:23,789
May is 91.

2571
01:50:23,789 --> 01:50:26,827
There was time lost,

2572
01:50:26,827 --> 01:50:29,036
you know, at the beginning
of our lives together.

2573
01:50:29,036 --> 01:50:35,042
She was 19, 20 when she had me.

2574
01:50:35,042 --> 01:50:38,839
It's very young. Very young.

2575
01:50:38,839 --> 01:50:40,806
We'd had
so many years of separation

2576
01:50:40,806 --> 01:50:42,946
and hellos and goodbyes.

2577
01:50:42,946 --> 01:50:47,779
So, we--we--we've made up
a lot of life over the years.

2578
01:50:47,779 --> 01:50:54,578
Thank God for her that she had
the courage to set sail and...

2579
01:50:54,578 --> 01:50:56,235
"The hell with the lot of you.

2580
01:50:56,235 --> 01:50:59,100
I'm gonna make
a life for my son and myself."

2581
01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:03,933
The success that I've had
has been shared with her,

2582
01:51:03,933 --> 01:51:07,246
and she comes on the set
with me from time to time.

2583
01:51:07,246 --> 01:51:10,974
I try to find movies
in that neck of the woods

2584
01:51:10,974 --> 01:51:15,151
just so I can continue that...
that kinship.

2585
01:51:15,151 --> 01:51:18,879
My mother May is
a strong, strong lady,

2586
01:51:18,879 --> 01:51:22,745
philosophical, Irish.
The Irish mammy.

2587
01:51:22,745 --> 01:51:24,539
What is a typical Irish mammy?

2588
01:51:24,539 --> 01:51:27,646
Very protective and, um...

2589
01:51:27,646 --> 01:51:30,856
loving and... kind of...

2590
01:51:30,856 --> 01:51:32,375
It's a slightly negative
connotation as well.

2591
01:51:32,375 --> 01:51:33,756
- Yeah.
- Isn't there?

2592
01:51:33,756 --> 01:51:36,413
There's this sense of, like,
an over-mothering, perhaps.

2593
01:51:36,413 --> 01:51:38,830
You're not overprotective.
He's just--

2594
01:51:38,830 --> 01:51:40,763
- He's just always made sure...
- Like a mammy.

2595
01:51:40,763 --> 01:51:43,075
...I'm al--

2596
01:51:43,075 --> 01:51:45,560
You're asking me,
is an Irish mammy a thing?

2597
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,183
I am such an Irish mammy.

2598
01:51:47,183 --> 01:51:50,048
Yes, an Irish mammy
is completely a thing.

2599
01:51:50,048 --> 01:51:52,050
She never stops being
an Irish mammy.

2600
01:51:52,050 --> 01:51:54,431
Every Irish mammy
wakes up every morning,

2601
01:51:54,431 --> 01:51:57,089
and she wants her babies
all around her.

2602
01:51:57,089 --> 01:51:59,229
That's an Irish mammy for you.

2603
01:51:59,229 --> 01:52:02,163
What is an Irish mammy anymore
look like?

2604
01:52:02,163 --> 01:52:04,372
If it means loads
of good cooking, I-I know

2605
01:52:04,372 --> 01:52:07,721
I'm not an Irish mammy.
Not a great one.

2606
01:52:11,276 --> 01:52:14,279
What I love is that wherever
you are in the world,

2607
01:52:14,279 --> 01:52:16,522
the minute you hear a flicker
of an Irish accent,

2608
01:52:16,522 --> 01:52:20,630
it's like moths to a flame,
and all of a sudden you realize

2609
01:52:20,630 --> 01:52:22,563
that you either went
to the same school together

2610
01:52:22,563 --> 01:52:24,738
or you're somehow related.

2611
01:52:24,738 --> 01:52:27,223
That's the lovely thing
that I love about being Irish.

2612
01:52:27,223 --> 01:52:28,707
It's everywhere.

2613
01:52:28,707 --> 01:52:33,470
On my mom's side, a Brown is
in our family line, so I have,

2614
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:36,439
I think, 13 or 18% Irish.

2615
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:37,785
My father's French.
He's from Paris,

2616
01:52:37,785 --> 01:52:39,407
and my mother is Irish.

2617
01:52:39,407 --> 01:52:42,548
Is there a dilemma
watching Ireland and France--

2618
01:52:42,548 --> 01:52:45,103
No, there's no dilemma.
We're always for the greens.

2619
01:52:45,103 --> 01:52:47,312
We like saying
we have the double nationality--

2620
01:52:47,312 --> 01:52:48,727
French and Irish.

2621
01:52:48,727 --> 01:52:50,211
Everybody's
very surprised and happy

2622
01:52:50,211 --> 01:52:53,007
and interested to know why.

2623
01:52:53,007 --> 01:52:56,010
Look at my name--
Rory and Guinness.

2624
01:52:56,010 --> 01:52:58,323
You don't get much
more Irish than that.

2625
01:52:58,323 --> 01:52:59,980
I'm an American citizen,

2626
01:52:59,980 --> 01:53:02,603
but my soul is Irish.

2627
01:53:02,603 --> 01:53:04,950
The spirit of me is Irish.

2628
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:08,402
I-I can certainly feel it
in my bones and my blood,

2629
01:53:08,402 --> 01:53:09,921
being Irish,

2630
01:53:09,921 --> 01:53:12,061
what that means, our ancestors,

2631
01:53:12,061 --> 01:53:13,994
the religion, of course.

2632
01:53:13,994 --> 01:53:18,170
The religion plays
such a strong part of it.

2633
01:53:18,170 --> 01:53:20,034
I like the God I pray to,

2634
01:53:20,034 --> 01:53:21,587
the one that I've created
for myself

2635
01:53:21,587 --> 01:53:24,487
and the prayers
that I've remembered.

2636
01:53:24,487 --> 01:53:27,386
But I have my own--
my own words with him

2637
01:53:27,386 --> 01:53:31,874
on a daily basis of--
always with gratitude, I think,

2638
01:53:31,874 --> 01:53:34,531
just for this day
and all the days of my life.

2639
01:53:34,531 --> 01:53:38,052
You know, it's such a mystery.

2640
01:53:38,052 --> 01:53:39,951
There's no doubt
that any Irish person

2641
01:53:39,951 --> 01:53:42,401
never really loses
their Irishness.

2642
01:53:42,401 --> 01:53:44,610
You know, I have a lot of, uh,
family in America

2643
01:53:44,610 --> 01:53:46,440
that have been there
for over 30 years,

2644
01:53:46,440 --> 01:53:48,269
and they've become
even more Irish.

2645
01:53:48,269 --> 01:53:49,650
You're much more aware
of your Irishness

2646
01:53:49,650 --> 01:53:51,721
sometimes, I think,
when you live abroad.

2647
01:53:51,721 --> 01:53:55,242
Well, I'm a very proud
Irishwoman, first of all.

2648
01:53:55,242 --> 01:53:57,589
I'm also
a very proud Ulster woman.

2649
01:53:57,589 --> 01:54:00,523
It all adds to the complexities
of all of our histories,

2650
01:54:00,523 --> 01:54:03,215
because it's only
when you start to look back

2651
01:54:03,215 --> 01:54:06,046
that it's not quite as simple
as we all thought.

2652
01:54:06,046 --> 01:54:08,634
We are ourselves not British.
We are Norman,

2653
01:54:08,634 --> 01:54:12,466
so it's normally French bastard,
not English bastard.

2654
01:54:12,466 --> 01:54:14,192
We've always been different
than many

2655
01:54:14,192 --> 01:54:16,021
of the other titled folk.

2656
01:54:16,021 --> 01:54:17,989
We've embraced being Irish.

2657
01:54:17,989 --> 01:54:19,680
I've often asked,

2658
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:21,958
"If you were only allowed one
passport, which would you keep?"

2659
01:54:21,958 --> 01:54:23,339
I said, in a heartbeat,

2660
01:54:23,339 --> 01:54:25,168
I get rid
of my British passport,

2661
01:54:25,168 --> 01:54:27,308
even if it meant
taking away the title. So what?

2662
01:54:27,308 --> 01:54:29,552
We have Irish passports.
We're Irish.

2663
01:54:29,552 --> 01:54:32,106
I'm Irish. Regardless of whether
it be the north or the south.

2664
01:54:32,106 --> 01:54:34,798
To be Irish is now something

2665
01:54:34,798 --> 01:54:39,044
as diverse as the way we talk,
the number of games we play.

2666
01:54:39,044 --> 01:54:42,116
It's something
that's so inclusive,

2667
01:54:42,116 --> 01:54:44,291
and I see the new Irish
and the people who were

2668
01:54:44,291 --> 01:54:45,982
born outside this state,
who now live in this state,

2669
01:54:45,982 --> 01:54:48,295
and they're proud to be Irish.

2670
01:54:48,295 --> 01:54:50,711
I've been away from Ireland
longer than I lived in Ireland.

2671
01:54:50,711 --> 01:54:53,507
When I first started
going back in the early 2000s,

2672
01:54:53,507 --> 01:54:56,096
what really struck me was
the development,

2673
01:54:56,096 --> 01:54:57,856
and now when you go back,
that diversity,

2674
01:54:57,856 --> 01:54:59,271
you know, it's beautiful to see.

2675
01:54:59,271 --> 01:55:01,066
We're
a very international family

2676
01:55:01,066 --> 01:55:02,412
and a very international people.

2677
01:55:02,412 --> 01:55:05,381
Irishness, and we're now
learning this, by the way,

2678
01:55:05,381 --> 01:55:08,591
more and more,
it cannot be confined

2679
01:55:08,591 --> 01:55:13,320
to a stereotype of people
who look and sound like me.

2680
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,839
So, I remember trying to speak
about racism.

2681
01:55:15,839 --> 01:55:21,190
Um, like, like, as a child,
you know, as a young woman,

2682
01:55:21,190 --> 01:55:24,538
you would just be met with,
like, a wall of anger

2683
01:55:24,538 --> 01:55:28,300
and, like, just, like,
such, such defensiveness.

2684
01:55:28,300 --> 01:55:30,716
For me, it's really
interesting that now in Ireland,

2685
01:55:30,716 --> 01:55:33,236
there's a thirst
to have those conversations.

2686
01:55:33,236 --> 01:55:35,894
It's a story that we've made
a lot of effort

2687
01:55:35,894 --> 01:55:37,758
to reflect Ireland
as it is today.

2688
01:55:37,758 --> 01:55:40,105
The immigration system
that exists in our name

2689
01:55:40,105 --> 01:55:42,521
is currently in contrast

2690
01:55:42,521 --> 01:55:45,697
to the Ireland of a thousand
welcomes that we're so used to.

2691
01:55:45,697 --> 01:55:48,527
So, I am Irish and Nigerian.

2692
01:55:48,527 --> 01:55:50,840
My mum's Irish.
My dad's Nigerian.

2693
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:56,880
I was born in Dublin, um,
at a time where Black people,

2694
01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:00,125
anybody who wasn't white,
anybody that was, like,

2695
01:56:00,125 --> 01:56:04,060
in any way different,
was extremely rare--

2696
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:06,442
a very different Ireland
to the Ireland of today.

2697
01:56:06,442 --> 01:56:09,065
Then there was me
in the midst of all that.

2698
01:56:09,065 --> 01:56:11,205
There were so many people
who'd, like,

2699
01:56:11,205 --> 01:56:14,277
never seen a person
who wasn't white before.

2700
01:56:14,277 --> 01:56:16,107
I know that
because they told me.

2701
01:56:16,107 --> 01:56:17,729
I know that because literally,

2702
01:56:17,729 --> 01:56:19,524
people would, like,
cross the--the street

2703
01:56:19,524 --> 01:56:21,319
to, like, look at me,
to, like, touch my hair,

2704
01:56:21,319 --> 01:56:22,803
and then share with me

2705
01:56:22,803 --> 01:56:25,806
that they'd--they'd never met
a Black person before.

2706
01:56:25,806 --> 01:56:28,395
Um, so I was, like,
the first Black person

2707
01:56:28,395 --> 01:56:31,329
that a lot of people met,
and that was, um, I guess,

2708
01:56:31,329 --> 01:56:34,435
for--for most of those people,
this is their first time.

2709
01:56:34,435 --> 01:56:36,748
But this was something
that kind of, like, determined,

2710
01:56:36,748 --> 01:56:39,716
um, my everyday existence,

2711
01:56:39,716 --> 01:56:42,340
so it was quite--
it was quite exhausting.

2712
01:56:42,340 --> 01:56:44,618
And then there was just--

2713
01:56:44,618 --> 01:56:48,518
there was the constant,
um... refrain,

2714
01:56:48,518 --> 01:56:50,762
the constant reiteration
that I wasn't--

2715
01:56:50,762 --> 01:56:52,384
that I wasn't really Irish,

2716
01:56:52,384 --> 01:56:57,907
um, which was difficult because
I wasn't from anywhere else.

2717
01:56:57,907 --> 01:57:00,323
You know, I didn't have--
like, my dad's from Nigeria,

2718
01:57:00,323 --> 01:57:02,256
but I was born and raised
in Ireland.

2719
01:57:02,256 --> 01:57:04,707
So, I didn't--

2720
01:57:04,707 --> 01:57:07,744
Often when I spoke, people--
and I had a Dublin accent,

2721
01:57:07,744 --> 01:57:10,161
people would be really shocked,
and they'd be like,

2722
01:57:10,161 --> 01:57:12,025
"Oh, I thought
you'd be American.

2723
01:57:12,025 --> 01:57:13,647
I thought you'd be Jamaican,

2724
01:57:13,647 --> 01:57:16,822
I thought you'd be, like,
anything, um, but Irish."

2725
01:57:16,822 --> 01:57:23,864
And... I feel it was also, like,
my claims to Irishness

2726
01:57:23,864 --> 01:57:31,044
that, um, provoked quite hostile
responses from people, um,

2727
01:57:31,044 --> 01:57:34,978
because certainly at that time,
to be Irish meant to be white.

2728
01:57:34,978 --> 01:57:38,534
It was all just like, a lot,
you know, for people to...

2729
01:57:38,534 --> 01:57:40,225
for people to process.

2730
01:57:40,225 --> 01:57:42,469
And then when I finished school,

2731
01:57:42,469 --> 01:57:45,989
I just wanted to be somewhere
where I wasn't the Black girl.

2732
01:57:45,989 --> 01:57:48,164
I felt really angry
towards Ireland.

2733
01:57:48,164 --> 01:57:51,547
In my mind, I was like,
I used to be Irish.

2734
01:57:52,548 --> 01:57:54,308
It's quite interesting, though.
Around the time I left

2735
01:57:54,308 --> 01:57:57,035
is around the time, um,
Ireland--actually, it was

2736
01:57:57,035 --> 01:57:59,934
pretty much, like, maps
perfectly onto each other,

2737
01:57:59,934 --> 01:58:01,591
is around the time Ireland

2738
01:58:01,591 --> 01:58:03,938
actually started to become
more--more diverse.

2739
01:58:03,938 --> 01:58:05,388
So, just as I was leaving,

2740
01:58:05,388 --> 01:58:07,080
people from other parts
of the world,

2741
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,529
you know, were moving there.

2742
01:58:08,529 --> 01:58:11,567
So, there is now
this whole population of people

2743
01:58:11,567 --> 01:58:14,017
who are Irish who aren't white.

2744
01:58:14,017 --> 01:58:15,605
And it feels
far more ordinary now

2745
01:58:15,605 --> 01:58:17,676
than it did when I was a child.

2746
01:58:17,676 --> 01:58:19,989
When people ask me how
I've managed to, like, hang on

2747
01:58:19,989 --> 01:58:21,646
to my Irish identity, it's like,

2748
01:58:21,646 --> 01:58:23,717
I don't think it's something
I could lose,

2749
01:58:23,717 --> 01:58:27,548
because I feel
it's, like, such a core--

2750
01:58:27,548 --> 01:58:29,792
it's such a core part of me.

2751
01:58:29,792 --> 01:58:33,554
I'm not, like, desperate
to be Irish. I just am Irish.

2752
01:58:33,554 --> 01:58:36,143
No, you're not.
And then living here,

2753
01:58:36,143 --> 01:58:38,594
I really came to understand

2754
01:58:38,594 --> 01:58:40,906
my, like, worldview
was very Irish,

2755
01:58:40,906 --> 01:58:44,531
and I saw, like, the really
big cultural gap, distance,

2756
01:58:44,531 --> 01:58:49,743
gulf between me and, like,
everyone I was meeting.

2757
01:58:49,743 --> 01:58:53,160
I feel like over the years
I've been rehabilitating,

2758
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:55,611
like, my relationship
with Ireland,

2759
01:58:55,611 --> 01:58:57,958
that realization
of how Irish I am.

2760
01:58:57,958 --> 01:59:04,861
In Ireland, there's like
a surrealist, anarchic spirit.

2761
01:59:04,861 --> 01:59:07,864
Oh, why am I attracted here?

2762
01:59:07,864 --> 01:59:09,521
The land, the sea.

2763
01:59:09,521 --> 01:59:13,076
It's the attitude of the people,
the anarchic quality.

2764
01:59:13,076 --> 01:59:18,944
I have never sat down and listed
what it is that makes me happy.

2765
01:59:18,944 --> 01:59:23,673
When I go west of Skibbereen
to where I live,

2766
01:59:23,673 --> 01:59:28,230
I'm honored that I've been
accepted--a bastard Englishman.

2767
01:59:28,230 --> 01:59:31,474
I don't know. I always
feel home is where the heart is.

2768
01:59:31,474 --> 01:59:33,269
When I'm here, my heart is here.

2769
01:59:33,269 --> 01:59:36,583
I love, uh, Ireland.
I love this country.

2770
01:59:36,583 --> 01:59:41,070
I love the food, the people,
the beers, everything.

2771
01:59:41,070 --> 01:59:43,210
- The weather?
- The weather, too.

2772
01:59:43,210 --> 01:59:45,039
Yeah. Of course.

2773
01:59:45,039 --> 01:59:46,938
It is a great advantage

2774
01:59:46,938 --> 01:59:50,562
that so many people feel
so positively towards Ireland.

2775
01:59:50,562 --> 01:59:54,566
It's the reputation, uh,
that we have to protect.

2776
01:59:54,566 --> 01:59:58,156
The essence of Ireland
is as a real contributor

2777
01:59:58,156 --> 02:00:02,505
and through a general desire
to be a good global citizen

2778
02:00:02,505 --> 02:00:04,024
in a changing, challenging,

2779
02:00:04,024 --> 02:00:08,477
and, in some cases,
rather dangerous world today.

2780
02:00:08,477 --> 02:00:09,823
What's amazing about Ireland

2781
02:00:09,823 --> 02:00:11,963
is that we were
once the downtrodden,

2782
02:00:11,963 --> 02:00:13,654
and now we are not.

2783
02:00:13,654 --> 02:00:15,346
Ireland has become
a wealthy country.

2784
02:00:15,346 --> 02:00:16,899
We weren't always.

2785
02:00:16,899 --> 02:00:19,971
So, this idea of us kind of
suddenly forgetting

2786
02:00:19,971 --> 02:00:24,527
or not being interested
in those who have less than us

2787
02:00:24,527 --> 02:00:27,081
shouldn't be
in the Irish vocabulary,

2788
02:00:27,081 --> 02:00:28,704
shouldn't be in the mindset,

2789
02:00:28,704 --> 02:00:30,706
because
we were once those people.

2790
02:00:30,706 --> 02:00:33,226
What the Americans
always often talk about,

2791
02:00:33,226 --> 02:00:34,675
about the American dream--

2792
02:00:34,675 --> 02:00:37,402
the American dream
is the Irish dream.

2793
02:00:37,402 --> 02:00:39,577
That's what--what
the Irish dream really is.

2794
02:00:39,577 --> 02:00:41,786
They just stole the idea.

2795
02:00:41,786 --> 02:00:44,064
Your story is
the American dream,

2796
02:00:44,064 --> 02:00:47,964
but is it really
the Irish dream?

2797
02:00:47,964 --> 02:00:51,485
Well, it's my dream, so...

2798
02:00:51,485 --> 02:00:54,488
You know,
a man becomes what he dreams.

2799
02:00:54,488 --> 02:00:59,010
He travels far
to find out who he is.

2800
02:00:59,010 --> 02:01:00,529
This country's been good to me.

2801
02:01:00,529 --> 02:01:03,290
Ireland's been good to me.
England's been good to me.

2802
02:01:03,290 --> 02:01:06,500
I'm made up
of all of these ingredients

2803
02:01:06,500 --> 02:01:10,159
of culture and friendship
and people and work.

2804
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:11,919
Work.

2805
02:01:11,919 --> 02:01:15,958
It's powerful if you can live
creative life, artistic life,

2806
02:01:15,958 --> 02:01:18,305
and make sense of it
and make money at doing it.

2807
02:01:20,376 --> 02:01:24,380
You know,
uh, make a life for your family.

2808
02:01:25,208 --> 02:01:29,730
Anyway, that's enough about me.
How was I in the second act?

2809
02:01:31,353 --> 02:01:33,493
If you kiss the Blarney Stone,

2810
02:01:33,493 --> 02:01:35,633
you're bestowed
with a gift of eloquence.

2811
02:01:35,633 --> 02:01:38,670
Do you know, I've never kissed
the Blarney Stone?

2812
02:01:38,670 --> 02:01:41,708
I must do that. Might shut me
up for once and for all.

2813
02:01:41,708 --> 02:01:43,641
I have a bit of a fear
of heights, and I do believe

2814
02:01:43,641 --> 02:01:45,608
you have to go all
the way back and put your--

2815
02:01:45,608 --> 02:01:47,334
No, not for me. Not for me.

2816
02:01:47,334 --> 02:01:48,991
Do you think begrudgery

2817
02:01:48,991 --> 02:01:51,476
is part of the Irish psyche?

2818
02:01:51,476 --> 02:01:53,547
Ah, look, I think
we probably invented it.

2819
02:01:53,547 --> 02:01:56,170
There's nothing good
about being second in life.

2820
02:01:56,170 --> 02:01:57,517
Rather be number one.

2821
02:01:57,517 --> 02:01:59,795
Have you been out
to Jamaica to GoldenEye,

2822
02:01:59,795 --> 02:02:02,418
owned by Chris Blackwell?
- I did, yes.

2823
02:02:02,418 --> 02:02:03,937
Keely and I went out there

2824
02:02:03,937 --> 02:02:06,215
when our little boy Dylan
was a <i>babby.</i>

2825
02:02:06,215 --> 02:02:07,872
Oh.

2826
02:02:07,872 --> 02:02:11,358
I remember Kate Moss was there
and Naomi Campbell...

2827
02:02:11,358 --> 02:02:13,671
...was sitting, and Keely,
bless her heart,

2828
02:02:13,671 --> 02:02:17,053
she was breastfeeding
at the time--little baby boy.

2829
02:02:17,053 --> 02:02:19,573
But sitting there
with Naomi Campbell

2830
02:02:19,573 --> 02:02:22,507
and Kate Moss,
and they're topless.

2831
02:02:22,507 --> 02:02:25,545
"Oh, look at the baby.
He's lovely. He's lovely"

2832
02:02:25,545 --> 02:02:28,202
while she's trying to nur--
he's trying to nurse.

2833
02:02:28,202 --> 02:02:31,758
"No, no, no, no. That's Mum."

2834
02:02:31,758 --> 02:02:33,242
Usain, I think you helped Ricky

2835
02:02:33,242 --> 02:02:35,071
get his honorary doctorate.

2836
02:02:35,071 --> 02:02:36,659
Dr. Simms.

2837
02:02:38,420 --> 02:02:39,800
- See?
- You got yours first.

2838
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:41,526
Exactly. That's what I'm saying.

2839
02:02:41,526 --> 02:02:42,700
I helped him
to get his doctorate.

2840
02:02:42,700 --> 02:02:44,115
- I only got my--
- Yeah, I helped him.

2841
02:02:44,115 --> 02:02:45,634
If it wasn't for him,
I would never have gotten it.

2842
02:02:45,634 --> 02:02:48,291
So--so, you're welcome.

2843
02:02:48,291 --> 02:02:50,673
- It's helped me a lot, actually.

2844
02:02:50,673 --> 02:02:53,469
- I've done a lot of surgeries.

2845
02:02:53,469 --> 02:02:55,678
Got a little fly here,
which is...

2846
02:02:55,678 --> 02:02:58,612
It's electric?

2847
02:02:58,612 --> 02:03:00,476
There's always potatoes.

2848
02:03:00,476 --> 02:03:03,859
There's always, um,
Ballymaloe Relish.

2849
02:03:03,859 --> 02:03:05,757
I really love Irish chocolate.

2850
02:03:05,757 --> 02:03:07,138
I think Irish chocolate
tastes different

2851
02:03:07,138 --> 02:03:09,036
than any chocolate
anywhere else in the world.

2852
02:03:09,036 --> 02:03:11,073
But, yeah, I get
little food hampers.

2853
02:03:11,073 --> 02:03:14,041
I get them sent, definitely.
They keep me going.

2854
02:03:14,041 --> 02:03:16,043
We asked,
"Who's the greatest Irishman?"

2855
02:03:16,043 --> 02:03:20,323
And the overwhelming majority
say you, so...

2856
02:03:20,323 --> 02:03:22,118
Well, that's a nice way
to end the interview.

2857
02:03:22,118 --> 02:03:25,225
Can I just--Can I just say,
they cannot be more wrong?

2858
02:03:25,225 --> 02:03:28,953
And as I pointed out, the sense
of the absurd and the Irish,

2859
02:03:28,953 --> 02:03:31,783
that's--that's exactly
the perfect example.

2860
02:03:31,783 --> 02:03:34,096
- But thank you.
- Sorry, Bob. Um...

2861
02:03:36,029 --> 02:03:37,479
Is there any way
you could actually

2862
02:03:37,479 --> 02:03:39,101
show us an Irish goodbye

2863
02:03:39,101 --> 02:03:43,105
for those who don't actually
know what an Irish goodbye is?

2864
02:03:45,728 --> 02:03:50,215
Would you be able to demonstrate
an Irish goodbye to us?

2865
02:03:50,215 --> 02:03:51,596
Just run off.

2866
02:03:51,596 --> 02:03:53,805
Is it?
It is.

2867
02:03:55,186 --> 02:03:56,912
Do a runner. Come on.

2868
02:03:56,912 --> 02:03:58,810
What is an Irish goodbye?

2869
02:03:58,810 --> 02:04:02,642
Okay, so I never heard of this
until I was in America.

2870
02:04:02,642 --> 02:04:03,919
And since
I've started hearing it,

2871
02:04:03,919 --> 02:04:05,161
since I started hearing it
in America,

2872
02:04:05,161 --> 02:04:06,439
I'm hearing it all the time,
like,

2873
02:04:06,439 --> 02:04:07,819
oh, I did an Irish goodbye.

2874
02:04:07,819 --> 02:04:09,269
It's leaving without
saying goodbye to people.

2875
02:04:09,269 --> 02:04:12,686
But I literally never
heard it until a year ago.

2876
02:04:12,686 --> 02:04:14,516
Is it a new thing?
Was it always a thing?

2877
02:04:14,516 --> 02:04:15,896
Is it an American thing?

2878
02:04:15,896 --> 02:04:20,142
An Irish goodbye.
I'm quite well known for that.

2879
02:04:23,076 --> 02:04:26,286
Like, a Irish goodbye
right now, actually.

2880
02:04:26,286 --> 02:04:28,253
Run out of things to say.

2881
02:04:28,253 --> 02:04:30,359
I think that's
probably a good idea, Frank.

2882
02:04:48,377 --> 02:04:51,553
I was trying to think. I think
I've made almost every move.

2883
02:04:52,864 --> 02:04:55,660
Don't get hurt, man.
We need you.

2884
02:04:58,076 --> 02:05:00,044
You okay? All right.

2885
02:05:00,044 --> 02:05:01,770
I'll tell you what happened
to me in America once

2886
02:05:01,770 --> 02:05:03,806
after I spoke at an event.
This guy came up to me.

2887
02:05:03,806 --> 02:05:06,119
He said, "Gee," said,
"I learned something tonight.

2888
02:05:06,119 --> 02:05:08,777
He said,
"Never give a Mick a mic."



