1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:06,172 --> 00:00:08,199 - [Narrator] The phenomenon could involve some type 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,919 of activity that some might say constitutes a different 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,113 form of life. 6 00:00:19,963 --> 00:00:22,713 (dramatic music) 7 00:00:26,010 --> 00:00:30,111 - This would be one of the most closely held secrets 8 00:00:30,112 --> 00:00:31,869 in the entire United States government, 9 00:00:31,870 --> 00:00:34,233 if not the most closely held secret. 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,470 - When people say the government can't really keep secrets, 11 00:00:39,420 --> 00:00:42,939 I and my colleagues know many secrets 12 00:00:42,940 --> 00:00:46,533 that have been kept for decades and they can be kept. 13 00:00:49,230 --> 00:00:50,739 - [U.S. Navy X] I'm sitting here today 14 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:53,823 because the American people are being lied to. 15 00:00:55,980 --> 00:00:59,139 - The only way the lid's gonna get blown off this. 16 00:00:59,140 --> 00:01:00,851 We get a commander in chief with the guts 17 00:01:00,852 --> 00:01:03,813 to just take the lid off of it. 18 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,059 - [Newscaster ] There are now close to 400 reports 19 00:01:07,060 --> 00:01:09,691 from military personnel of possible UFO encounters, 20 00:01:09,692 --> 00:01:10,529 and they say they have... 21 00:01:10,530 --> 00:01:14,319 - [Narrator] In 2017, Congress began learning 22 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,772 about a half century plus coverup 23 00:01:16,773 --> 00:01:21,080 of an ultra secret program dealing with UFOs, 24 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:26,161 now referred to as unidentified anomalous phenomena or UAP. 25 00:01:29,490 --> 00:01:32,949 In 2022, the first congressional hearings were held 26 00:01:32,950 --> 00:01:35,709 on the subject in over 50 years. 27 00:01:35,710 --> 00:01:36,849 - Regarding unidentified... 28 00:01:36,850 --> 00:01:39,620 - [Narrator] Confirming the phenomenon is real. 29 00:01:39,621 --> 00:01:42,086 - Instruments report there was something there. 30 00:01:42,087 --> 00:01:45,519 - There are flight characteristics or signature management 31 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,559 that we can't explain. 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,169 - [Narrator] What began was a rare bipartisan effort 33 00:01:50,170 --> 00:01:51,939 to dig even deeper. 34 00:01:51,940 --> 00:01:53,499 - You're the guys investigating it. 35 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:55,218 I mean, who else is doing it? 36 00:01:55,219 --> 00:01:57,039 - [Narrator] The more Congress pulled 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,759 on the emerging threads, the more they began to unravel. 38 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,469 - You're talking so I'm thinking. 39 00:02:02,470 --> 00:02:04,179 Go into space, go someplace, 40 00:02:04,180 --> 00:02:05,749 drop down in a matter of seconds, 41 00:02:05,750 --> 00:02:07,801 do whatever it wants and leave 42 00:02:07,802 --> 00:02:10,329 and there's nothing we can do about it. 43 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:13,299 - With no self-evident propulsion system. 44 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:16,727 - No wings, no IR energy coming off of the vehicle. 45 00:02:16,728 --> 00:02:19,809 - [Narrator] Even more startling was the discovery 46 00:02:19,810 --> 00:02:23,156 of an alleged black budget program tasked 47 00:02:23,157 --> 00:02:27,527 with the recovery of craft of alien origin. 48 00:02:27,528 --> 00:02:29,349 - You solemnly swear 49 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:31,329 or affirm that the testimony you are about to... 50 00:02:31,330 --> 00:02:32,260 - Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe 51 00:02:32,261 --> 00:02:34,773 that our government is in possession of UAPs? 52 00:02:35,970 --> 00:02:38,919 - Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses 53 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:39,873 over four years. 54 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,849 - [Ms. Mace] Do we have the bodies of the pilots 55 00:02:42,850 --> 00:02:44,259 who piloted this craft? 56 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:47,529 - Biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yeah. 57 00:02:47,530 --> 00:02:50,713 - Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics? 58 00:02:50,714 --> 00:02:53,301 - Non-human and that was the assessment of people 59 00:02:53,302 --> 00:02:55,269 with direct knowledge on the program I talked to 60 00:02:55,270 --> 00:02:57,350 that are currently still on the program. 61 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,530 - I would go to jail to say things that I know 62 00:03:03,390 --> 00:03:05,744 that I've been exposed to in the program. 63 00:03:05,745 --> 00:03:08,575 (dramatic music) 64 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:16,299 - [James] Have you ever met anyone that claims 65 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:20,049 to have put their hands on or been inside one 66 00:03:20,050 --> 00:03:23,373 of these alleged crafts in our possession? 67 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,253 - I can't respond to that. 68 00:03:31,590 --> 00:03:34,299 - Hi, I'm director and producer James Fox. 69 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:36,759 I just arrived in Washington DC 70 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,409 which is currently the epicenter of an unprecedented effort 71 00:03:41,410 --> 00:03:45,339 to force the government's hand into finally revealing 72 00:03:45,340 --> 00:03:48,003 what they really know about the UIP phenomenon. 73 00:03:50,730 --> 00:03:53,079 - First time, the national archives will gather records. 74 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:53,912 - But the citizen review... 75 00:03:53,913 --> 00:03:57,189 - [Narrator] In 2023, Senate Majority Leader, Chuck Schumer 76 00:03:57,190 --> 00:04:01,809 and Senator Mike Rounds proposed the most ambitious UAP 77 00:04:01,810 --> 00:04:05,242 disclosure bill in American history. 78 00:04:05,243 --> 00:04:08,979 - This is a major win for government transparency on UAPs 79 00:04:08,980 --> 00:04:10,552 and it gives us a strong foundation 80 00:04:10,553 --> 00:04:12,786 for more action in the future 81 00:04:12,787 --> 00:04:16,002 - And a requirement as a transparency measure 82 00:04:16,003 --> 00:04:20,104 for the government to obtain any recovered UAP material 83 00:04:20,105 --> 00:04:22,406 or biological remains 84 00:04:22,407 --> 00:04:26,979 that may have been provided to private entities in the past 85 00:04:26,980 --> 00:04:31,902 and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people. 86 00:04:31,903 --> 00:04:36,983 - And here you have in an actual congressional, 87 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:39,903 in this case senatorial document, 88 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:46,749 the phrase NHI meaning non-human intelligence 89 00:04:46,750 --> 00:04:48,611 mentioned more than 20 times 90 00:04:48,612 --> 00:04:53,043 in an actual congressional document. 91 00:05:02,430 --> 00:05:04,959 - My name is Leslie Kean and I'm an investigative reporter 92 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,489 and I was one of three journalists 93 00:05:06,490 --> 00:05:08,794 who broke the story in December of 2017 94 00:05:08,795 --> 00:05:11,169 about the Department of Defense 95 00:05:11,170 --> 00:05:13,779 secret program studying UFOs. 96 00:05:13,780 --> 00:05:16,269 And that story was kind of a catalyst 97 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:18,309 for a lot of things that have happened since. 98 00:05:18,310 --> 00:05:20,069 - You get that close to something. 99 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:22,299 - [Narrator] As details of the exposed 100 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:24,986 Department of Defense program came to light 101 00:05:24,987 --> 00:05:28,737 so did evidence and additional military witnesses. 102 00:05:28,738 --> 00:05:31,930 What followed was a bipartisan congressional effort 103 00:05:31,931 --> 00:05:33,279 to find out 104 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:37,779 what the intelligence agencies really knew about UAP. 105 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:39,489 - Now they know that this is real, right? 106 00:05:39,490 --> 00:05:41,589 Because the Pentagon's been studying it 107 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:44,709 and we had all this great material in our story 108 00:05:44,710 --> 00:05:47,546 and members of Congress started to ask questions. 109 00:05:47,547 --> 00:05:50,109 - [Narrator] In fact, congressional committees 110 00:05:50,110 --> 00:05:54,819 initiated briefings with witnesses behind closed doors, 111 00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:58,659 - Classified briefings by members of the program, 112 00:05:58,660 --> 00:06:02,011 by some of the pilots who had actually seen the objects 113 00:06:02,012 --> 00:06:06,819 and that made them realize we gotta do something about this. 114 00:06:06,820 --> 00:06:08,949 I don't think it's unanimous among... 115 00:06:08,950 --> 00:06:11,499 - [Narrator] The New York Times story also revealed 116 00:06:11,500 --> 00:06:16,580 official military videos of UAP leaked from the Pentagon. 117 00:06:16,890 --> 00:06:20,019 - The Gimbal and the FLIR video. 118 00:06:20,020 --> 00:06:23,049 And I remember the media was just going nuts. 119 00:06:23,050 --> 00:06:24,069 - The objects seen 120 00:06:24,070 --> 00:06:27,789 in the various clips are unidentified aerial phenomena. 121 00:06:27,790 --> 00:06:29,949 - We don't know what this is and it's here. 122 00:06:29,950 --> 00:06:31,643 - The program has since been shut down 123 00:06:31,644 --> 00:06:34,212 but it was run by a military intelligence official 124 00:06:34,213 --> 00:06:36,459 who told CNN. 125 00:06:36,460 --> 00:06:37,415 - There is very compelling evidence 126 00:06:37,416 --> 00:06:40,116 that we may not be alone. 127 00:06:40,117 --> 00:06:42,849 - So not necessarily extra terrestrial, 128 00:06:42,850 --> 00:06:44,829 but you're not ruling it out. 129 00:06:44,830 --> 00:06:48,879 - The stories that first broke in 2017 about the existence 130 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,062 of a Pentagon UFO research effort 131 00:06:51,063 --> 00:06:54,970 about some very intriguing sightings 132 00:06:54,971 --> 00:06:57,843 that they really couldn't explain. 133 00:06:59,053 --> 00:07:00,726 The dam broke. 134 00:07:00,727 --> 00:07:02,499 - The US Navy has finally acknowledged 135 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:04,599 that videos appearing to show UFOs flying 136 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,579 through the air are real. 137 00:07:06,580 --> 00:07:08,739 - The aircraft had zero control surfaces, 138 00:07:08,740 --> 00:07:11,259 had no means of propulsion that we could detect. 139 00:07:11,260 --> 00:07:12,429 - There was four of us 140 00:07:12,430 --> 00:07:14,229 in the airplanes literally watching this thing 141 00:07:14,230 --> 00:07:15,819 for roughly about five minutes. 142 00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:17,435 - The UFO reports were first investigated 143 00:07:17,436 --> 00:07:19,982 by a secret $22 million program. 144 00:07:19,983 --> 00:07:23,109 Do you know if they had the capabilities 145 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:25,809 to create these flying objects like this? 146 00:07:25,810 --> 00:07:27,519 - We don't think so. 147 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,144 - The Pentagon now admits there's something out there. 148 00:07:31,145 --> 00:07:31,977 It's the story 149 00:07:31,978 --> 00:07:34,749 of the US government's grudging acknowledgment 150 00:07:34,750 --> 00:07:37,064 of unidentified aerial phenomena 151 00:07:37,065 --> 00:07:40,629 and the US Senate wants to know what it is. 152 00:07:40,630 --> 00:07:42,510 - Maybe it has a very simple answer. 153 00:07:44,490 --> 00:07:45,340 Maybe it doesn't. 154 00:07:48,810 --> 00:07:51,309 - [Narrator] Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves was 155 00:07:51,310 --> 00:07:53,709 on duty during a number of sightings, 156 00:07:53,710 --> 00:07:58,060 including a near collision with a UAP in August of 2015. 157 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:05,499 Mr. Graves was invited to Washington DC for briefings 158 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:08,559 before members of the Senate Armed Services Committee 159 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,733 and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. 160 00:08:13,230 --> 00:08:16,149 Senior Department of Defense officials were sitting 161 00:08:16,150 --> 00:08:20,019 at the opposite end of the table during the briefings. 162 00:08:20,020 --> 00:08:21,989 - There was probably eight or nine stars, you know, 163 00:08:21,990 --> 00:08:23,169 on that side of the table, 164 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:25,600 Navy Intelligence and more broadly I think DIA. 165 00:08:25,601 --> 00:08:28,029 The DOD side wasn't able to provide a lot of answers 166 00:08:28,030 --> 00:08:29,559 to the congressional side, 167 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,539 but it wasn't a, "I don't know," or, "We don't know." 168 00:08:31,540 --> 00:08:32,709 It was, "It's too classified 169 00:08:32,710 --> 00:08:34,299 to talk about in this environment." 170 00:08:34,300 --> 00:08:36,488 And so there seemed to be a very clear barrier there 171 00:08:36,489 --> 00:08:39,197 that Congress was even having a hard time 172 00:08:39,198 --> 00:08:40,329 really getting around. 173 00:08:40,330 --> 00:08:41,769 'cause if you don't know what's there, it's hard 174 00:08:41,770 --> 00:08:44,139 to ask good questions about the information, right? 175 00:08:44,140 --> 00:08:44,972 And so there seemed 176 00:08:44,973 --> 00:08:47,523 to be a little difficulty crossing that barrier. 177 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:50,559 - My name is Kirk McConnell. 178 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:54,273 I believe this is the first time I've ever been on camera. 179 00:08:55,489 --> 00:08:58,449 I recently retired from government service 180 00:08:58,450 --> 00:09:02,317 after 37 years working as a staff member 181 00:09:02,318 --> 00:09:05,313 for various committees in Congress. 182 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:08,199 - [Narrator] Armed with high level clearances, 183 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,367 Mr. McConnell researched UAPs from 2017 to 2024. 184 00:09:14,238 --> 00:09:18,969 He attended multiple classified briefings between senators 185 00:09:18,970 --> 00:09:22,617 and numerous government and contractor sources. 186 00:09:22,618 --> 00:09:24,969 These insiders and their data 187 00:09:24,970 --> 00:09:29,482 provide extraordinary confirmation of the phenomenon. 188 00:09:29,483 --> 00:09:32,559 - These events were not just accompanied 189 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:34,719 by visual observation, 190 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,899 but by sensors, some of the best sensing systems 191 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:40,929 that money can buy. 192 00:09:40,930 --> 00:09:42,849 Early warning and surveillance radar, 193 00:09:42,850 --> 00:09:44,799 that's the top of the line for the Navy, 194 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,243 the Aegis radar system. 195 00:09:46,244 --> 00:09:50,679 We're seeing these objects drop down from what appeared 196 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:53,109 to be from space altitudes 197 00:09:53,110 --> 00:09:56,919 and just coming down and at a high rate of speed 198 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,685 and just stopping, you know, in midair 199 00:09:59,686 --> 00:10:01,807 and then flying around. 200 00:10:01,808 --> 00:10:05,368 And then after a while, they would just 201 00:10:05,369 --> 00:10:07,263 go right back up again. 202 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:11,919 So this was something really different, pretty radical. 203 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,673 What the heck were these folks seeing? 204 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:17,861 - The congresspeople and the elected representatives 205 00:10:17,862 --> 00:10:20,709 and the retired officials too would come out 206 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:21,699 and make these statements 207 00:10:21,700 --> 00:10:23,949 and they tend to go further and further each time. 208 00:10:23,950 --> 00:10:26,229 - How concerned should we be about the briefing 209 00:10:26,230 --> 00:10:27,759 that you received on UFOs? 210 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,929 - Yeah, I'm not gonna get into any 211 00:10:28,930 --> 00:10:29,762 of the contents of the briefing. 212 00:10:29,763 --> 00:10:31,689 It was a classified briefing. 213 00:10:31,690 --> 00:10:34,899 One of the key takeaways I'd have is that the military 214 00:10:34,900 --> 00:10:37,329 and others are taking this issue seriously, 215 00:10:37,330 --> 00:10:38,229 which I think 216 00:10:38,230 --> 00:10:41,259 in previous generations may not have been the case. 217 00:10:41,260 --> 00:10:43,058 - The senators were shocked. 218 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:45,669 They had thought, as most Americans do, 219 00:10:45,670 --> 00:10:46,929 that this is just myth 220 00:10:46,930 --> 00:10:49,029 and they became aware that whether it's the Russians 221 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:50,469 or Chinese or aliens 222 00:10:50,470 --> 00:10:53,379 or something else, this is very much for real. 223 00:10:53,380 --> 00:10:56,003 It's happening and we need to get to the bottom of it. 224 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,469 - [Narrator] Responding to decades long claims 225 00:10:59,470 --> 00:11:03,318 of intimidation and the forced signing of NDAs, 226 00:11:03,319 --> 00:11:08,289 Congress passed bipartisan witness protection legislation. 227 00:11:08,290 --> 00:11:10,209 - What we made clear on this law is 228 00:11:10,210 --> 00:11:12,939 that there can be no stigma associated with reporting 229 00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:15,039 and that reporting is now mandatory 230 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,599 and that if there is retaliation, 231 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,548 that that will be prosecuted. 232 00:11:18,549 --> 00:11:22,010 - The extent of activity is so prolific 233 00:11:22,011 --> 00:11:25,599 that at one military air base, they were posting posters 234 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,149 around the base warning the pilots 235 00:11:28,150 --> 00:11:30,144 of the potential for mid-air collisions 236 00:11:30,145 --> 00:11:34,854 in restricted military operating space. 237 00:11:34,855 --> 00:11:38,709 - The Navy for example, I think it was in 2018, 238 00:11:38,710 --> 00:11:42,849 issued new guidelines to pilots to report UAP 239 00:11:42,850 --> 00:11:44,466 and created a process for that. 240 00:11:44,467 --> 00:11:47,289 And I think what we've seen in the last couple of years, 241 00:11:47,290 --> 00:11:48,909 it has been pretty stark 242 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:51,765 in terms of the legislation Congress has written 243 00:11:51,766 --> 00:11:55,654 very specifically demanding that the Pentagon, 244 00:11:55,655 --> 00:11:58,917 the intelligence agencies not just set up an office, 245 00:11:58,918 --> 00:12:03,879 but forcing them to dig through the cobwebs if you will, 246 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,519 and look into the past 247 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,589 and try to determine were there secret programs 248 00:12:08,590 --> 00:12:11,043 that maybe revealed more about the phenomenon. 249 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:14,949 - The process began 250 00:12:14,950 --> 00:12:20,030 of the Pentagon grudgingly releasing bits of information. 251 00:12:20,815 --> 00:12:23,970 - Congress asked us to produce a report that assessed 252 00:12:23,971 --> 00:12:26,739 what we saw as the threat essentially 253 00:12:26,740 --> 00:12:28,833 from unidentified aerial phenomenon. 254 00:12:31,156 --> 00:12:32,349 - [Narrator] A preliminary assessment was released 255 00:12:32,350 --> 00:12:34,972 in the summer of 2021. 256 00:12:34,973 --> 00:12:37,849 UAP represent physical objects 257 00:12:37,850 --> 00:12:41,439 that have been registered across multiple sensors 258 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:46,388 including radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, 259 00:12:46,389 --> 00:12:48,393 and visual observation. 260 00:12:49,251 --> 00:12:54,251 A handful of UAP demonstrated an advanced technology, 261 00:12:54,450 --> 00:12:57,489 remaining stationary in winds aloft, 262 00:12:57,490 --> 00:12:59,979 with the ability to move against the wind 263 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:02,922 and to maneuver abruptly at considerable speed 264 00:13:02,923 --> 00:13:05,823 without discernible means of propulsion. 265 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,259 And what really caught the attention 266 00:13:08,260 --> 00:13:11,829 of Congress was the admission from military pilots 267 00:13:11,830 --> 00:13:14,493 of near misses with UAP. 268 00:13:18,690 --> 00:13:20,919 - And the main issues that Congress 269 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,349 and others have been concerned about are basically safety 270 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:25,779 of flight concerns and counterintelligence issues. 271 00:13:25,780 --> 00:13:27,609 But of course there's always the question 272 00:13:27,610 --> 00:13:30,670 of is there something else that we simply do not understand 273 00:13:30,671 --> 00:13:33,570 that might come extra terrestrially. 274 00:13:41,007 --> 00:13:42,567 - It became pretty clear to me 275 00:13:42,568 --> 00:13:44,049 that there was a real story here. 276 00:13:44,050 --> 00:13:45,729 As long as the Congress keeps pushing, 277 00:13:45,730 --> 00:13:47,769 and I think they will, I'm not sure 278 00:13:47,770 --> 00:13:49,613 how they're gonna wiggle out of this. 279 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,979 - More than 50 years ago, 280 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:03,363 the US government ended project Blue Book, 281 00:14:04,650 --> 00:14:05,799 an effort to catalog 282 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,039 and understand sightings of objects in the air 283 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:12,039 that could not otherwise be explained. 284 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,869 The last time Congress had a hearing 285 00:14:13,870 --> 00:14:16,629 on UAPs was half a century ago. 286 00:14:16,630 --> 00:14:19,256 I hope that it does not take 50 more years for Congress 287 00:14:19,257 --> 00:14:22,539 to hold another because transparency is desperately needed. 288 00:14:22,540 --> 00:14:25,179 - We have not been hiding anything. 289 00:14:25,180 --> 00:14:26,837 - In 2017, we learned for the first time 290 00:14:26,838 --> 00:14:28,959 that the Department of Defense had quietly 291 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,719 restarted a similar organization tracking 292 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,420 what we now call unidentified aerial phenomena or UAPs. 293 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:43,179 UAPs are unexplained, it's true, but they are real. 294 00:14:43,180 --> 00:14:44,769 They need to be investigated 295 00:14:44,770 --> 00:14:47,919 and any threats they pose need to be mitigated. 296 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,799 - [Narrator] The Pentagon sent two high level officers, 297 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,459 deputy Director of Navy Intelligence, Scott Bray, 298 00:14:54,460 --> 00:14:57,969 and under Secretary of Defense, Ronald Moultrie, 299 00:14:57,970 --> 00:15:00,121 to a congress far better informed 300 00:15:00,122 --> 00:15:04,269 than prior intelligence officials had faced in the past. 301 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:05,373 - There is something there measurable 302 00:15:05,374 --> 00:15:08,259 by multiple instruments and yet it seems to move 303 00:15:08,260 --> 00:15:09,980 in directions that are inconsistent 304 00:15:09,981 --> 00:15:13,803 with what we know of physics or science more broadly. 305 00:15:14,730 --> 00:15:18,399 - Do we have an example of an object that can't be explained 306 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,279 as having been human made or natural? 307 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,772 - The example that that I would say 308 00:15:23,773 --> 00:15:25,749 that is still unresolved, 309 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:27,789 that I think everyone understands quite well is the 310 00:15:27,790 --> 00:15:31,173 2004 incident from from Nimitz. 311 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:35,769 - [Narrator] 200 miles off the coast of San Diego. 312 00:15:35,770 --> 00:15:38,859 The USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group 313 00:15:38,860 --> 00:15:42,748 encountered an unknown object described as a tic tac 314 00:15:42,749 --> 00:15:44,739 that flew rings around two 315 00:15:44,740 --> 00:15:47,739 of the Navy's best frontline fighters. 316 00:15:47,740 --> 00:15:49,179 - The ability to hover over the water 317 00:15:49,180 --> 00:15:52,149 and then start a vertical climb from basically zero up 318 00:15:52,150 --> 00:15:53,795 towards about 12,000 feet 319 00:15:53,796 --> 00:15:56,139 and then accelerate in less than two seconds 320 00:15:56,140 --> 00:15:59,433 and disappear is something I had never seen in my life. 321 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,387 - Are we aware of any foreign adversary capable 322 00:16:05,388 --> 00:16:06,870 of moving objects 323 00:16:06,871 --> 00:16:09,873 without any discernible means of propulsion? 324 00:16:14,010 --> 00:16:15,639 - Without discernible means of propulsion, 325 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,999 I would say that we're not aware of any adversary 326 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,079 that can move an object 327 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,160 without discernible means of propulsion. 328 00:16:23,340 --> 00:16:25,454 - [Narrator] Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, 329 00:16:25,455 --> 00:16:29,199 Christopher Mellon, was one of the key figures 330 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,563 who brought the Nimitz case public. 331 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,549 He and a few other insiders found a loophole 332 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:40,329 in the classification that allowed him to walk the tapes out 333 00:16:40,330 --> 00:16:41,499 of the Pentagon 334 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:45,159 and onto the front page of the New York Times. 335 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,769 - When I first contacted the Armed Services Committee, 336 00:16:47,770 --> 00:16:50,866 or shortly thereafter, I said to one of the staffers there, 337 00:16:50,867 --> 00:16:51,840 "Why don't you get the deck logs 338 00:16:51,841 --> 00:16:56,921 for the Nimitz from November, 2004?" 339 00:16:57,105 --> 00:17:00,034 So he went to the Congressional Research Office 340 00:17:00,035 --> 00:17:04,713 and tasked them to go to the archives and get the deck logs. 341 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:09,069 Guess what? They're missing. 342 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:11,686 For that one limited window of time. 343 00:17:11,687 --> 00:17:14,895 The records before there, the records after there, 344 00:17:14,896 --> 00:17:17,439 but the deck logs for the Nimitz incident 345 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,320 for that period of time are missing. 346 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,089 - Gentlemen, it's not beyond the realm of possibility 347 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:30,663 that there is some exploration coming here 348 00:17:30,664 --> 00:17:33,789 and that underlies a lot of the reports you get. 349 00:17:33,790 --> 00:17:35,589 I think Mr. LaHood was asking about 350 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:38,379 that people think there must be extra terrestrial life 351 00:17:38,380 --> 00:17:41,079 and it's not at all beyond the pale 352 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,263 that there would be a visit here. 353 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,329 - There have been no collisions between any US assets 354 00:17:49,330 --> 00:17:51,753 in one of these UAPs, correct? 355 00:17:52,590 --> 00:17:53,469 - We have not had a collision. 356 00:17:53,470 --> 00:17:55,600 We've had at least 11 near misses though. 357 00:17:57,420 --> 00:18:00,003 - There hasn't been a hearing since 1968 358 00:18:00,004 --> 00:18:04,209 and here we are having a hearing, you know, 359 00:18:04,210 --> 00:18:07,239 where just a few years ago, we didn't even acknowledge 360 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,630 that these things were real prior to 2017. 361 00:18:09,631 --> 00:18:13,989 That alone to me was so incredible that I almost didn't care 362 00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:15,339 what happened during the hearing. 363 00:18:15,340 --> 00:18:17,589 Just the fact that it was happening 364 00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:19,179 and that I could be present for that, 365 00:18:19,180 --> 00:18:20,769 it felt like, you know, 366 00:18:20,770 --> 00:18:23,199 after all the work I'd done on this for so many years, 367 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,542 it was really rewarding to me. 368 00:18:24,543 --> 00:18:27,739 It just really meant a lot to just be in that room. 369 00:18:27,740 --> 00:18:29,439 - It's also been reported 370 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,529 that there have been UAP observed interacting with 371 00:18:32,530 --> 00:18:34,419 and flying over sensitive military facilities 372 00:18:34,420 --> 00:18:35,904 housing our strategic nuclear forces. 373 00:18:35,905 --> 00:18:37,855 One such incident allegedly occurred 374 00:18:37,856 --> 00:18:39,879 at Malmstrom Air Force Base 375 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,969 in which 10 of our nuclear ICBMs were rendered inoperable. 376 00:18:42,970 --> 00:18:45,699 - What really moved me about it was some of the statements 377 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:47,300 that the congressman made. 378 00:18:47,301 --> 00:18:49,872 And the kinds of questions they asked were so probing 379 00:18:49,873 --> 00:18:53,523 and Andre Carson was so eloquent in his introduction 380 00:18:53,524 --> 00:18:54,999 and Adam Schiff, you know, 381 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,146 and they seemed to really understand the importance 382 00:18:58,147 --> 00:18:59,717 of this issue 383 00:18:59,718 --> 00:19:02,589 and here they were stating that to the world. 384 00:19:02,590 --> 00:19:04,119 - You're the guys investigating it. 385 00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:05,709 I mean, who else is doing it? 386 00:19:05,710 --> 00:19:06,999 - If something was officially brought 387 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,207 to our attention, we would look at it. 388 00:19:08,208 --> 00:19:09,842 - I'm bringing it to your attention. 389 00:19:09,843 --> 00:19:11,289 This is pretty official. 390 00:19:11,290 --> 00:19:13,149 - Sure. So we'll go back and take a look at it. 391 00:19:13,150 --> 00:19:16,325 But generally there is some authoritative figure 392 00:19:16,326 --> 00:19:18,399 that says there is an incident that occurred. 393 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,839 We'd like you to look at this. 394 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:20,859 - For what it's worth, I would like you 395 00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:21,816 to look in into it 396 00:19:21,817 --> 00:19:23,559 and if for another reason you could dismiss it 397 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,559 and say this is not worth wasting resources on. 398 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,209 - Mr. Krishnamoorthi. 399 00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:32,769 - First question is, have we come across any wreckage 400 00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:35,950 of any kind of object 401 00:19:35,951 --> 00:19:39,543 that has now been examined by you? 402 00:19:40,650 --> 00:19:42,399 - The UAP task force doesn't have any wreckage 403 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,438 that isn't explainable, 404 00:19:44,439 --> 00:19:47,269 that isn't consistent with being of terrestrial origin. 405 00:19:49,436 --> 00:19:51,339 - And then finally are you aware of a document 406 00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,259 that appeared around 2019 407 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:57,003 sometimes called the Admiral Wilson Memo or EW Notes Memo? 408 00:19:59,409 --> 00:20:00,161 - I'm not. 409 00:20:00,162 --> 00:20:00,994 - You're not. 410 00:20:00,995 --> 00:20:01,827 - I'm not personally aware of that. 411 00:20:01,828 --> 00:20:02,982 - Okay. 412 00:20:02,983 --> 00:20:04,179 - [Narrator] The leaked memo 413 00:20:04,180 --> 00:20:06,352 reveals an alleged covert meeting 414 00:20:06,353 --> 00:20:10,059 with former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, 415 00:20:10,060 --> 00:20:12,498 Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson, 416 00:20:12,499 --> 00:20:17,579 an astrophysicist and aerospace engineer, Dr. Eric Davis 417 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:22,353 about an ultra secret UAP crash retrieval program. 418 00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:26,188 According to the memo, the meeting took place 419 00:20:26,189 --> 00:20:27,759 in the back parking lot 420 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,569 of United States national defense contractor involved 421 00:20:31,570 --> 00:20:35,133 with some of the government's most sensitive technologies. 422 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,489 Vice Admiral Wilson prefaced the meeting 423 00:20:39,490 --> 00:20:41,133 with the following caveat, 424 00:20:41,977 --> 00:20:45,099 "If you blow my trust, I'll deny meeting you, 425 00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,839 deny everything said, 426 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,409 won't meet with any more people without clearances. 427 00:20:50,410 --> 00:20:51,639 Too risky. 428 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,129 Never seen anything like this program 429 00:20:54,130 --> 00:20:56,313 in black programs community. 430 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,699 A reverse engineering program. 431 00:21:00,700 --> 00:21:03,365 Something recovered years ago in the past. 432 00:21:03,366 --> 00:21:08,163 Called themselves the watch committee or gate keepers. 433 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,834 An isolated group using their own facilities 434 00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:16,915 and cleared personnel, about 400 to 800 workers. 435 00:21:17,361 --> 00:21:21,266 No White House names, no president, 436 00:21:21,267 --> 00:21:26,347 no congressional people, no congressional staffers. 437 00:21:26,595 --> 00:21:31,595 They had a craft, an intact craft they believed could fly. 438 00:21:33,735 --> 00:21:37,649 The program manager said they didn't know where it was from. 439 00:21:37,650 --> 00:21:39,816 They had some ideas on this. 440 00:21:39,817 --> 00:21:43,833 It was technology that was not of this earth, 441 00:21:44,984 --> 00:21:49,227 "not made by man, not by human hands." 442 00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:55,719 - So you're not aware of that? 443 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,959 - I'm not aware of it, congressman. 444 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,172 - In my 10 seconds remaining, 445 00:21:58,173 --> 00:22:00,729 I guess I just would ask Mr. Chairman unanimous consent 446 00:22:00,730 --> 00:22:02,769 to enter that memo into the record. 447 00:22:02,770 --> 00:22:03,819 - [Chairman] Without objection. 448 00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:05,633 - Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate it. 449 00:22:06,801 --> 00:22:08,143 - The Wilson memo was brought up 450 00:22:08,144 --> 00:22:10,089 in the congressional hearings. 451 00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:14,529 Do you think there's any legitimacy to that memo? 452 00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:19,293 - That's an area that I don't feel I can comment on. 453 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,199 - So anyway, I suppose you're... 454 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,388 - [Narrator] Stanford trained PhD physicist, 455 00:22:25,389 --> 00:22:27,605 Dr. Hal Puthoff has been involved 456 00:22:27,606 --> 00:22:31,749 in highly classified programs for the DOD 457 00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:33,865 and intelligence communities. 458 00:22:33,866 --> 00:22:37,419 Dr. Puthoff was senior advisor and contractor 459 00:22:37,420 --> 00:22:39,483 to a number of UAP programs 460 00:22:39,484 --> 00:22:42,333 for the Defense Intelligence Agency. 461 00:22:43,290 --> 00:22:46,406 His alleged research into crash retrievals is mentioned 462 00:22:46,407 --> 00:22:49,749 in the Wilson Davis memo recently read 463 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:51,453 into the congressional record. 464 00:22:53,301 --> 00:22:55,269 - I mean, I've signed security oaths, 465 00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:59,040 you know, TS, SCI, GAMMA, HCS, 466 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,075 I mean a whole line of things of, well, if you get access 467 00:23:05,076 --> 00:23:06,923 to this information and this information 468 00:23:06,924 --> 00:23:09,973 and this information and this information, 469 00:23:09,974 --> 00:23:13,299 you will not reveal it to the public. 470 00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:15,729 And if you do, you will go to jail. 471 00:23:15,730 --> 00:23:17,769 Sign the piece of paper, okay? 472 00:23:17,770 --> 00:23:19,479 Sign the piece of paper. 473 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,560 So until there's some statement on high 474 00:23:24,895 --> 00:23:29,154 that somehow abridges that, oh, for sure, 475 00:23:29,155 --> 00:23:33,314 I would go to jail to say things that I know 476 00:23:33,315 --> 00:23:36,513 that I've been exposed to in the program. 477 00:23:39,570 --> 00:23:41,049 I mean, Davis, you know, 478 00:23:41,050 --> 00:23:43,077 that's part of the Wilson Davis memo. 479 00:23:43,078 --> 00:23:47,072 I mean, of course Davis is my senior scientific advisor 480 00:23:47,073 --> 00:23:51,489 for a couple of decades so I know him well 481 00:23:51,490 --> 00:23:56,570 and if he were to say it happened, 482 00:23:58,251 --> 00:24:00,819 then I'd be willing to admit it happened. 483 00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:02,977 But at this point, 484 00:24:02,978 --> 00:24:07,293 that's area that it's not worth digging into. 485 00:24:09,995 --> 00:24:11,769 - [Narrator] We caught up with the man 486 00:24:11,770 --> 00:24:14,618 who organized the first congressional hearing on UAP 487 00:24:14,619 --> 00:24:16,839 in over 50 years. 488 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,382 Representative, Andre Carson. 489 00:24:19,383 --> 00:24:22,149 - Senator Reed was quoted in 2019 490 00:24:22,150 --> 00:24:23,626 in the New Yorker magazine. 491 00:24:23,627 --> 00:24:26,649 "I was told for decades that Lockheed had some 492 00:24:26,650 --> 00:24:29,049 of these retrieved materials 493 00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:32,709 and I tried to get, as I recall, a classified approval 494 00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:35,582 by the Pentagon to have me go look at the stuff. 495 00:24:35,583 --> 00:24:37,509 They would not approve that. 496 00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:39,279 I don't know what all the numbers are, 497 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,499 what kind of classification it was, 498 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:42,789 but they would not give that to me. 499 00:24:42,790 --> 00:24:44,062 "They would not give me clearance." 500 00:24:44,063 --> 00:24:46,899 Have you heard any credible reports 501 00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:49,388 or anything at all that would substantiate 502 00:24:49,389 --> 00:24:52,329 that we have hardware or bodies? 503 00:24:52,330 --> 00:24:53,619 I know it's a tall order 504 00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:55,066 and I'm not trying to put you on the spot, 505 00:24:55,067 --> 00:24:58,131 but that's so significant if that's the case. 506 00:24:58,132 --> 00:25:00,423 What are you hearing, Congressman? 507 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:06,159 - Well, obviously due to my work on the hearing 508 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,689 and the oath that I've taken, you know, 509 00:25:07,690 --> 00:25:10,023 I won't talk about technology 510 00:25:10,024 --> 00:25:14,043 because it could compromise our national security. 511 00:25:15,539 --> 00:25:18,129 I think it's important to acknowledge our victories. 512 00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:19,269 Just a couple of years ago, 513 00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:21,706 if you brought up UAPs to other members of Congress, 514 00:25:21,707 --> 00:25:24,969 there's a chance you could be laughed at. 515 00:25:24,970 --> 00:25:27,789 You know, now we're seeing public statements 516 00:25:27,790 --> 00:25:30,159 from the White House Pentagon and more, 517 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,552 and there's a lot we don't know. 518 00:25:31,553 --> 00:25:33,332 I understand that can be frustrating, 519 00:25:33,333 --> 00:25:38,413 but we want to encourage folks, give kudos to you 520 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,709 to keep pushing for more information and more answers. 521 00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:45,183 So we have a lot of work to do to remove the stigma. 522 00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:48,789 - One thing I learned that, you know, as a reporter 523 00:25:48,790 --> 00:25:50,487 for 20 plus years in Washington is 524 00:25:50,488 --> 00:25:54,159 if the Congress learns it, we will learn it too eventually 525 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,949 because Congress is the worst at keeping secrets. 526 00:25:56,950 --> 00:26:00,396 So it'll be interesting to see how this process plays out, 527 00:26:00,397 --> 00:26:02,406 but you know, the pressure's on 528 00:26:02,407 --> 00:26:05,019 and I think the Pentagon, the CIA, 529 00:26:05,020 --> 00:26:07,550 other agencies are gonna have to answer the mail. 530 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,679 - [Narrator] In late 2022, 531 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,553 President Biden signed legislation 532 00:26:16,554 --> 00:26:21,634 that established a mandate for new UAP reporting procedures. 533 00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:26,380 Within the National Defense Act for 2023 534 00:26:26,381 --> 00:26:30,880 is a section outlining new UAP reporting procedures relating 535 00:26:30,881 --> 00:26:33,909 to retrieved materials. 536 00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:37,209 - One particular thing that really jumped out at me, 537 00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:39,639 any activity or program by a department 538 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,439 or agency of the federal government 539 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,705 or a contractor of such a department or agency relating 540 00:26:44,706 --> 00:26:48,064 to unidentified anomalous phenomena including 541 00:26:48,065 --> 00:26:53,145 with respect to material retrieval, material analysis, 542 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,249 reverse engineering, research and development, 543 00:26:57,250 --> 00:26:59,769 detection and tracking, et cetera. 544 00:26:59,770 --> 00:27:01,389 That's some pretty incredible language. 545 00:27:01,390 --> 00:27:03,699 I don't even have to read between the lines there. 546 00:27:03,700 --> 00:27:04,539 - It's stunning. 547 00:27:04,540 --> 00:27:06,643 What they're saying is that all 548 00:27:06,644 --> 00:27:10,899 of these legends about Roswell. 549 00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:12,459 - The Army Air Forces has announced 550 00:27:12,460 --> 00:27:14,439 that a flying disc has been found 551 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,569 and is now in the possession of the army. 552 00:27:16,570 --> 00:27:20,019 The disc landed at a ranch at Corona, New Mexico. 553 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:22,869 - It was not anything from this earth... 554 00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:25,629 - We find it's sufficiently credible. 555 00:27:25,630 --> 00:27:28,710 We now have reason enough to believe that may have happened. 556 00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:31,030 I mean it's incredible 557 00:27:32,340 --> 00:27:34,029 and I think it will lead to the realization 558 00:27:34,030 --> 00:27:35,160 that we're not alone, 559 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,903 but maybe we're not publicly ready for that yet. 560 00:27:42,180 --> 00:27:45,883 - [Narrator] Our team takes to the streets in Washington DC. 561 00:27:45,884 --> 00:27:48,339 - I think if UFOs were real, I would not want to know. 562 00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:51,099 It might just give me more anxiety. 563 00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:53,019 - So I think I would be really, really interested 564 00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,819 to know if anyone else is out there. 565 00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:56,169 - [James] Even if it's scary. 566 00:27:56,170 --> 00:27:57,306 - Even if it's scary, it's better- 567 00:27:57,307 --> 00:27:59,229 - There's a right way to communicate that 568 00:27:59,230 --> 00:28:00,399 to the public though. 569 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,688 There needs to be a unified message on both sides 570 00:28:02,689 --> 00:28:04,869 of what could be going on 571 00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:07,198 but I just think that people need to have a consensus. 572 00:28:07,199 --> 00:28:08,223 - Yeah. - Yeah. 573 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:13,299 - There's no way to slowly reveal something like that 574 00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:14,132 but I think it should just be talked about, 575 00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:17,829 like anything's talked about like sports. 576 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:19,569 - Transparency is always a good thing 577 00:28:19,570 --> 00:28:21,249 so I do think it's something I care about. 578 00:28:21,250 --> 00:28:23,409 - They wouldn't want to cause a mass hysteria. 579 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:25,592 - How are we safe? How are things going on? 580 00:28:25,593 --> 00:28:27,219 - I think that as citizens, 581 00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:30,123 we are citizens of this earth, not just this country. 582 00:28:30,124 --> 00:28:32,067 And as such, we would have a right 583 00:28:32,068 --> 00:28:34,539 to know what is beyond this earth. 584 00:28:34,540 --> 00:28:36,549 - How would they tell us? By news or? 585 00:28:36,550 --> 00:28:38,207 - Hide your kids, hide your wives, hide. 586 00:28:38,208 --> 00:28:41,246 (all laugh) 587 00:28:41,247 --> 00:28:43,299 - They're coming. - They're coming to get you. 588 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,310 I'm feeling like... 589 00:28:59,670 --> 00:29:00,729 - Is there other data? 590 00:29:00,730 --> 00:29:01,839 Is there other sensory data? 591 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,709 Is there other photographic data, videotape, FLIR footage, 592 00:29:05,710 --> 00:29:09,549 things that you've seen that have not gotten out? 593 00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:12,333 - Oh, there's lots more data that has not gotten out. 594 00:29:13,606 --> 00:29:15,288 - Like what? - That I'm aware of and- 595 00:29:15,289 --> 00:29:17,428 - That you're aware of or that you saw? 596 00:29:17,429 --> 00:29:21,813 - Well, that I saw, that I worked on. Yeah. 597 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,539 - Could you talk about it at all? 598 00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:26,453 - No. 599 00:29:31,410 --> 00:29:32,279 - [Narrator] All of the witnesses 600 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,882 in this film have been vetted as to the veracity 601 00:29:34,883 --> 00:29:38,338 of their government or contractor positions. 602 00:29:38,339 --> 00:29:41,349 Some appear anonymously as they work their way 603 00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:44,374 through the Congressional Whistleblower Protections program 604 00:29:44,375 --> 00:29:47,343 recently established by Congress. 605 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:52,389 They represent just a small portion 606 00:29:52,390 --> 00:29:55,034 of legitimate UAP whistleblowers wanting 607 00:29:55,035 --> 00:29:57,663 to testify under oath. 608 00:29:59,898 --> 00:30:01,907 - [U.S. Navy X] I am sitting here today 609 00:30:01,908 --> 00:30:05,749 because the American people are being lied to 610 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:08,963 and I think it's high time that we rip the bandaid off 611 00:30:08,964 --> 00:30:11,379 and go for full transparency 612 00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:13,205 because I believe the American people, 613 00:30:13,206 --> 00:30:15,699 and quite frankly the people of the world 614 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,123 at this point have a right to know. 615 00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:21,421 - So the government has done itself a disservice 616 00:30:21,422 --> 00:30:26,198 for whatever reason, because in a lot of people's eyes- 617 00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:27,369 - They've lied to us 618 00:30:27,370 --> 00:30:28,583 for like 75 years. - This particular subject is 619 00:30:28,584 --> 00:30:31,449 where the government really started lying to us. 620 00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:35,229 Hi, my name is Lenval Logan. Everyone calls me Logan. 621 00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:37,432 I'm a retired Air Force intelligence analyst 622 00:30:37,433 --> 00:30:40,599 that started off as a B-52 crew chief and cross-trained. 623 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,911 I had the opportunity to support the UAP Taskforce 624 00:30:43,912 --> 00:30:47,139 and I'm here to talk about 625 00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:50,223 what I can at an unclassified level to share what I know. 626 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,629 - People are starting to come out. 627 00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:55,569 You know, Congress is saying, "Come, testify." 628 00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:56,799 I am Sarah Gamm. 629 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,350 I was a research scientist for the Department of Defense 630 00:30:59,351 --> 00:31:02,769 and during my years as a scientist, I was able 631 00:31:02,770 --> 00:31:05,499 to investigate and research classified 632 00:31:05,500 --> 00:31:07,630 and unclassified reports of UAPs. 633 00:31:08,610 --> 00:31:09,992 - [James] Why now? 634 00:31:09,993 --> 00:31:11,890 - I feel like it is the time 635 00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:16,059 where I've seen the interest in the Congress. 636 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:17,919 - So you're not aware of that? 637 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,707 - I've seen the interest with the UFO programs 638 00:31:20,708 --> 00:31:22,839 and it just was very adversarial. 639 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,219 I get the fact that the technology, 640 00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:25,509 if you could separate that out 641 00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:27,039 and call that national security 642 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,941 that the technologies they're working on 643 00:31:28,942 --> 00:31:31,906 that has some reason to stay classified, 644 00:31:31,907 --> 00:31:35,049 but the revelation that there's other life out there, 645 00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:37,302 that should be something for everybody. 646 00:31:37,303 --> 00:31:42,383 - [James] Did what you see convince you that the DOD 647 00:31:42,704 --> 00:31:46,599 or the intelligence agencies have a lot more compelling data 648 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,730 than what the general public knows about? 649 00:31:59,970 --> 00:32:03,669 - Yes, there's a lot more data out there. 650 00:32:03,670 --> 00:32:05,199 I'd say a fraction of it 651 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,399 that I was able to see is something unexplainable 652 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,349 like physics that's beyond our realm. 653 00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:13,989 It's not an aircraft, it's not camera parallax, 654 00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:16,509 it's not trash in the sky, it's not a balloon. 655 00:32:16,510 --> 00:32:19,599 It's something we don't know what it is. 656 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,489 It is a true UAP. 657 00:32:21,490 --> 00:32:23,476 - Senate majority leader, Harry Reid said to me, 658 00:32:23,477 --> 00:32:26,349 "What's been released is merely the tip of the iceberg." 659 00:32:26,350 --> 00:32:27,579 How do you respond to that? 660 00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:30,749 - Because I've supported the taskforce and everything. 661 00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:32,643 There's more data out there. 662 00:32:34,512 --> 00:32:37,059 - More data out there or in there? 663 00:32:37,060 --> 00:32:39,939 - Okay, more data behind closed doors. 664 00:32:39,940 --> 00:32:42,163 - [U.S. Navy X] I'm a hundred percent saying I have evidence 665 00:32:42,164 --> 00:32:45,128 and I've seen it of craft that perform 666 00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:48,789 with anomalous characteristics, 667 00:32:48,790 --> 00:32:53,139 completely silent, able to maneuver at random speeds, 668 00:32:53,140 --> 00:32:55,960 stop on a dime, hover, take off again. 669 00:32:55,961 --> 00:32:59,049 Go into and out of the water. 670 00:32:59,050 --> 00:33:03,969 - Yeah, we have 31 knots sustained wind, top side, 671 00:33:03,970 --> 00:33:05,352 gusts of 40. 672 00:33:05,353 --> 00:33:07,186 - What was that splash? 673 00:33:07,187 --> 00:33:09,151 Mark bearing range. 674 00:33:09,152 --> 00:33:13,029 - [U.S. Navy X] What do we have that could do that? 675 00:33:13,030 --> 00:33:14,317 - P1, Control doesn't know what type 676 00:33:14,318 --> 00:33:15,809 of aircraft it is either. 677 00:33:15,810 --> 00:33:17,979 - It is really, truly amazing 678 00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:23,060 when I'm able to look at a report or video, photos 679 00:33:24,177 --> 00:33:26,943 and know that's not from here. 680 00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:30,879 - The number of emails that I've gotten alone 681 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,819 in the last two months from other scientists saying, 682 00:33:33,820 --> 00:33:35,450 how do I help? 683 00:33:35,451 --> 00:33:36,849 Physicists... 684 00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:40,164 - [Narrator] Dr. Garry Nolan is an American immunologist, 685 00:33:40,165 --> 00:33:44,259 academic inventor and business entrepreneur 686 00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:48,363 with his own lab at Stanford University School of Medicine. 687 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:52,809 Dr. Nolan has worked on alleged exotic 688 00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:55,599 or meta materials in association 689 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,109 with members of the intelligence and defense communities 690 00:33:59,110 --> 00:34:02,163 from UAP cases around the world. 691 00:34:03,150 --> 00:34:04,809 - [James] Do you know things 692 00:34:04,810 --> 00:34:06,361 that if you revealed them right here 693 00:34:06,362 --> 00:34:09,279 on camera, would get you in trouble? 694 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,193 - Yes. 695 00:34:11,321 --> 00:34:13,533 - Is it frustrating knowing those things? 696 00:34:15,390 --> 00:34:20,109 - Yes and so I don't know anywhere near 697 00:34:20,110 --> 00:34:24,435 what I think some people do know and people I know do know. 698 00:34:24,436 --> 00:34:29,516 And so it's not what I know, it's what they do. 699 00:34:30,563 --> 00:34:31,689 And I think that that's the reason 700 00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:34,659 why you're seeing this concerted effort 701 00:34:34,660 --> 00:34:36,562 from individuals within the government 702 00:34:36,563 --> 00:34:38,869 who are saying, enough is enough, 703 00:34:38,870 --> 00:34:41,253 time to get this information out. 704 00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:44,462 - [U.S. Navy X] I'm a hundred percent saying I have evidence 705 00:34:44,463 --> 00:34:45,672 and I've seen. 706 00:34:45,673 --> 00:34:49,059 It's stuff at the secrets housed on SIPR, 707 00:34:49,060 --> 00:34:51,743 stuff at the top secret levels housed on JWICS. 708 00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:57,819 On these systems, there are very high quality image files 709 00:34:57,820 --> 00:35:00,862 showing UAPs doing transmedium travel, 710 00:35:00,863 --> 00:35:03,213 and atmospheric entry, et cetera. 711 00:35:05,069 --> 00:35:07,489 - Science can't explain this stuff, 712 00:35:07,490 --> 00:35:10,419 but you can't explain it based on a shaky iPhone video 713 00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:12,519 that somebody took while camping. 714 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,679 - It's frustrating when I hear 715 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,469 mainstream scientific community 716 00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:20,539 on all the talk shows criticizing the lack 717 00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:23,799 of more compelling data when I know it exists. 718 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,399 - It seems to me aliens who visited us, 719 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,109 they would manifest more convincingly than fuzzy video. 720 00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:34,359 - And then there's all these different excuses 721 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,042 as to why it's not being released. 722 00:35:36,043 --> 00:35:38,979 I get that and I'm sure that some of that is relevant. 723 00:35:38,980 --> 00:35:41,979 However, the bigger issue is 724 00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:45,669 they have definitive confirmation that these craft are real 725 00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:47,126 and they don't know where the fuck they come from. 726 00:35:47,127 --> 00:35:48,693 Excuse my French. 727 00:35:48,694 --> 00:35:49,809 (Lenval laughs) 728 00:35:49,810 --> 00:35:52,689 Okay, that's it. I know that's the case. 729 00:35:52,690 --> 00:35:55,389 - There's enough evidence out there that demands a verdict 730 00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:58,509 that says, yes, there's something going on. 731 00:35:58,510 --> 00:36:01,795 Is there enough evidence to say that these are off worlders? 732 00:36:01,796 --> 00:36:05,007 Some of us would say yes, some of us would say no. 733 00:36:05,008 --> 00:36:10,088 But collaboratively, with the right people working together, 734 00:36:10,290 --> 00:36:11,289 I think we could come up 735 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:13,720 with a definitive answer and the answer is yes. 736 00:36:34,830 --> 00:36:35,949 - [Newscaster 2] His name is Gary McKinnon. 737 00:36:35,950 --> 00:36:37,269 He's 46 years old. 738 00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:40,089 He hacked into the computers of NASA, the US Army, 739 00:36:40,090 --> 00:36:42,939 the Navy, the Air Force, - And broke into some 740 00:36:42,940 --> 00:36:46,779 of the most secret US military computer networks. 741 00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:49,340 - 97 US military and NASA computers. 742 00:36:49,341 --> 00:36:51,279 - [Newscaster 2] But he claims he was just looking 743 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,429 for secret evidence of unidentified flying objects. 744 00:36:54,430 --> 00:36:56,859 - Snooping for UFOs drafted Gary McKinnon. 745 00:36:56,860 --> 00:36:57,729 - [Newscaster 3] The Americans say 746 00:36:57,730 --> 00:36:59,619 McKinnon is a cyber terrorist 747 00:36:59,620 --> 00:37:02,439 who caused almost half a million pounds worth of damage 748 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,479 to military computers. 749 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,529 - Live in our studios in New York 750 00:37:05,530 --> 00:37:07,929 and US officials are not at all happy about this one. 751 00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:09,309 - Not at all. 752 00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:11,769 - He stumbled on unedited satellite images of, 753 00:37:11,770 --> 00:37:14,769 as he said, out of this world flying objects. 754 00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:16,329 In 2002, he was charged 755 00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:19,359 with the biggest US military hack in the universe. 756 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,459 - What did he find in the way of UFO evidence? 757 00:37:21,460 --> 00:37:23,138 - Well, he says he spent a year looking 758 00:37:23,139 --> 00:37:25,239 through these computer systems 759 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:28,629 and he found, he says photographic proof 760 00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:30,835 of alien spacecraft and the names 761 00:37:30,836 --> 00:37:35,679 and ranks of something he called non-terrestrial officers. 762 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,703 He has not at this point shared those names with us. 763 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,309 - If extradition does go ahead. 764 00:37:45,310 --> 00:37:48,423 Gary could face 60 years in an American prison. 765 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,139 - [Narrator] The crew caught up with Gary McKinnon 766 00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:55,053 in the English countryside. 767 00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:58,599 - How many people wanted to know what you saw? 768 00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,513 - Oh god. 769 00:38:00,521 --> 00:38:04,383 Newspapers, film companies, book writers, 770 00:38:05,372 --> 00:38:08,559 and television stations. 771 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,109 Yeah, I've lost count. 772 00:38:11,110 --> 00:38:13,006 Oh my god, "You're Gary McKinnon." 773 00:38:13,007 --> 00:38:14,007 "Yeah." 774 00:38:15,787 --> 00:38:17,637 "What did you see? Is it true?" Yeah. 775 00:38:20,883 --> 00:38:24,579 - They very much want to get him back here 776 00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:26,409 to face American justice. 777 00:38:26,410 --> 00:38:27,909 - One official here at the Home Office 778 00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:29,289 told me the fresh evidence left 779 00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:31,149 Theresa May, the home secretary 780 00:38:31,150 --> 00:38:34,149 with little option but to extradite McKinnon. 781 00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:36,129 - By 2008 I was so low 782 00:38:36,130 --> 00:38:38,229 because we went for court case after court case 783 00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:41,339 and judicial review and losing every time. 784 00:38:41,340 --> 00:38:44,259 And eventually I thought, look, I'm gonna, 785 00:38:44,260 --> 00:38:45,969 I had a good talk with myself, 786 00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:48,249 I'm gonna either spend the rest of my life 787 00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:50,319 until I die in a foreign prison. 788 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,360 So I decided to take my own life 789 00:38:54,812 --> 00:38:58,593 because I thought I'm not giving my life to to prison so. 790 00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:04,359 - [Narrator] Gary McKinnon had hacked 791 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,909 into a number of military networks, 792 00:39:06,910 --> 00:39:10,599 but it was through a subnet at Johnson Space Center 793 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,973 that he hit pay dirt. 794 00:39:13,230 --> 00:39:16,059 - I was on dial up, 56K dial up 795 00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:19,389 and it took me five minutes to download one megabyte. 796 00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:22,326 So I thought, I've gotta do this before I get caught. 797 00:39:22,327 --> 00:39:23,973 I've gotta download. 798 00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:26,650 I was trying to steal the truth. 799 00:39:27,630 --> 00:39:30,700 Slowly this image started to appear as black 800 00:39:31,770 --> 00:39:33,519 and then it lightened 801 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,439 and then it was the hemisphere of a planet. 802 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,059 I assumed earth. 803 00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:41,379 And then I started to see the top of a tubular shape thing. 804 00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:43,719 It's silvery white metallic looking. 805 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,339 It got about halfway down the screen. 806 00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:48,189 And this was a craft floating above, I assumed the earth. 807 00:39:48,190 --> 00:39:51,423 I didn't see land masses, but I saw cloud cover. 808 00:39:53,002 --> 00:39:55,419 Totally not manmade. It was very smooth. 809 00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:57,489 There were no rivets, no seams. 810 00:39:57,490 --> 00:39:59,463 Just this very smooth tube shape. 811 00:40:01,165 --> 00:40:03,912 And it got two thirds of the way down the screen 812 00:40:03,913 --> 00:40:07,664 and I was sitting there with bated breath waiting for this 813 00:40:07,665 --> 00:40:09,873 gold dust to come into my lap. 814 00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:14,439 But then I saw the mouse move 815 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:15,272 and the mouse pointer moved 816 00:40:15,273 --> 00:40:16,411 to the bottom right of the screen 817 00:40:16,412 --> 00:40:19,299 and right clicked on the local area network icon 818 00:40:19,300 --> 00:40:21,249 and the popup menu and chose disconnect 819 00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:25,389 and boom, blank screen and that was me blocked out. 820 00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:26,889 So it was my eureka moment, 821 00:40:26,890 --> 00:40:30,213 but also my, shit, I've been caught. 822 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,329 - Mr. McKinnon is accused of serious crimes. 823 00:40:34,330 --> 00:40:35,266 - Then you really do think, 824 00:40:35,267 --> 00:40:37,089 you know, the Talking Heads song. 825 00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:39,669 Oh my god, what have I done? 826 00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:40,833 Very heavy shit. 827 00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:46,322 - The gravity of 828 00:40:46,323 --> 00:40:48,892 Gary McKinnon's alleged defenses are not in doubt. 829 00:40:48,893 --> 00:40:51,667 - There have been discussions between the British government 830 00:40:51,668 --> 00:40:54,669 and the American ambassador about potential steps 831 00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:56,349 that could be taken in this case. 832 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,192 - On his visit to the White House, David Cameron spoke 833 00:40:58,193 --> 00:41:00,634 to President Obama about the case 834 00:41:00,635 --> 00:41:04,509 and both agreed they could find an appropriate solution. 835 00:41:04,510 --> 00:41:06,669 - One of the traditions we have is 836 00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:09,485 the president doesn't get involved in 837 00:41:09,486 --> 00:41:14,229 decisions around prosecutions, extradition matters. 838 00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:16,209 - Since I came into office, the sole issue 839 00:41:16,210 --> 00:41:19,089 on which I have been required to make a decision is 840 00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:20,167 whether Mr. McKinnon's extradition 841 00:41:20,168 --> 00:41:24,066 to the United States would breach his human rights. 842 00:41:24,067 --> 00:41:26,499 After careful consideration of all 843 00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:29,557 of the relevant material, I have concluded 844 00:41:29,558 --> 00:41:33,099 that Mr. McKinnon's extradition would give rise 845 00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:34,969 to such a high risk of him ending his life. 846 00:41:34,970 --> 00:41:36,000 - [All] Hear! Hear! 847 00:41:38,733 --> 00:41:40,569 - That a decision to extradite would be incompatible 848 00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:42,069 with Mr. McKinnon's human rights. 849 00:41:42,070 --> 00:41:45,189 I have therefore withdrawn the extradition order 850 00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:46,179 against Mr. McKinnon. 851 00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:47,093 - [All] Hear! Hear! 852 00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,939 - That was incredible, Theresa May. 853 00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:53,829 I cried like a baby. 854 00:41:53,830 --> 00:41:56,096 You know that huge relief 10 years of, 855 00:41:56,097 --> 00:41:59,259 'cause you know us, men, we bottle it up, don't we? 856 00:41:59,260 --> 00:42:01,719 It's all just keep it in, keep it down 857 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:04,155 and it all just, floodgates. 858 00:42:04,156 --> 00:42:06,363 But yeah, incredible day. 859 00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:09,519 - I want to say thank you Theresa May 860 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,401 'cause it was an incredibly brave decision 861 00:42:11,402 --> 00:42:14,529 to stand up to another nation 862 00:42:14,530 --> 00:42:17,218 as strong and powerful as America is rare 863 00:42:17,219 --> 00:42:19,659 and she had the guts to do it. 864 00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:23,103 We've done it. We've won for the little person. 865 00:42:24,653 --> 00:42:27,639 - [Narrator] Mr. McKinnon is forbidden to travel outside 866 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,619 of England and Wales for the rest of his life 867 00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:34,413 unless he receives a pardon from the United States. 868 00:42:57,690 --> 00:43:01,119 - There are a number of ways in which this story 869 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,210 could have been, shall we say, managed 870 00:43:05,188 --> 00:43:08,673 to stop it getting out, which was our intention. 871 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:12,789 - They were bracing for impact. 872 00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:13,809 - Yeah, they were. 873 00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:15,729 - Of this story coming out. - Yeah. 874 00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:20,810 - Dr. David Clarke uncovered what many say is the UFO case 875 00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:21,993 of the century. 876 00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:24,876 August, 1990. 877 00:43:24,877 --> 00:43:28,089 Scotland's Daily Record was on the eve 878 00:43:28,090 --> 00:43:31,449 of publishing a story involving two witnesses 879 00:43:31,450 --> 00:43:34,443 and six 35-millimeter photographs. 880 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,469 Then the Ministry of Defense stepped in 881 00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:42,850 and the witnesses and prints vanished for over 30 years 882 00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:46,059 - And he was worried about whether he would get 883 00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:48,309 into trouble with the official secrets like he said. 884 00:43:48,310 --> 00:43:50,529 - [Narrator] After over a decade of research, 885 00:43:50,530 --> 00:43:52,149 Dr. Clarke discovered one 886 00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:54,374 of the early investigators of the case, 887 00:43:54,375 --> 00:43:58,264 Royal Air Force Press Officer, Craig Lindsay, 888 00:43:58,265 --> 00:44:00,519 one of the officials known 889 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,229 to have interviewed the witnesses. 890 00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:05,039 - Something that could hover without making any noise 891 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,179 and travel at the speed that this guy said 892 00:44:07,180 --> 00:44:11,403 that went vertically upwards is utterly beyond my knowledge. 893 00:44:13,077 --> 00:44:18,077 How they keep it quiet for 30 odd years, again, beyond me. 894 00:44:22,530 --> 00:44:26,199 - [Narrator] In August of 1990, two hotel employees left 895 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,469 after their shift for a late afternoon hike 896 00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:33,033 in the town of Calvine just a few miles away. 897 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,919 - It was the Atholl Palace Hotel 898 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,289 because when they mentioned the name, 899 00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:41,409 that hotel's got lots of, you know, pinnacles and things. 900 00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:44,523 It's a very Disney type of place. 901 00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:50,643 - Two witnesses were out hiking. 902 00:44:52,380 --> 00:44:57,380 They then saw a large diamond shaped craft hovering. 903 00:45:01,830 --> 00:45:02,582 - It didn't move. 904 00:45:02,583 --> 00:45:06,003 It just hovered in the air without making any noise. 905 00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:10,584 - [Narrator] With the help 906 00:45:10,585 --> 00:45:12,579 of Calvine resident, Giles Stevens, 907 00:45:12,580 --> 00:45:16,593 we were able to find the probable location of the encounter. 908 00:45:18,210 --> 00:45:21,843 The two witnesses most likely hid under this tree. 909 00:45:22,980 --> 00:45:26,049 - The witnesses looked at this for a while 910 00:45:26,050 --> 00:45:27,723 and one of them had a camera. 911 00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:33,303 - The craft was hovering silently 912 00:45:33,304 --> 00:45:35,184 and they were terrified. 913 00:45:35,185 --> 00:45:37,179 - That's what they said to me, 914 00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:38,811 that all they want to do is to hide. 915 00:45:38,812 --> 00:45:42,279 But when the jet came along, they sort 916 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,908 of stuck the camera out from behind the bush 917 00:45:43,909 --> 00:45:46,593 and snapped six frames. 918 00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:58,449 They got a picture of the likes 919 00:45:58,450 --> 00:46:00,880 of which I don't think anybody has seen before. 920 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,485 The bit that then stands out is that I asked him 921 00:46:06,486 --> 00:46:08,859 what happened next and he said we watched it 922 00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:11,268 for another minute or two and then it started to move. 923 00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:12,826 "And how did it move?" 924 00:46:12,827 --> 00:46:14,349 "Oh, it started to go up 925 00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:15,819 and then it got faster and faster and faster 926 00:46:15,820 --> 00:46:18,177 and disappeared straight up." 927 00:46:21,083 --> 00:46:23,183 And I said, "What sort of noise did it make?" 928 00:46:23,184 --> 00:46:27,429 And I got the instant answer, "It didn't make any noise." 929 00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:29,349 And that was the bit where suddenly everything 930 00:46:29,350 --> 00:46:32,799 in my head went, wait a minute, I don't know of any aircraft 931 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,909 that can hover and can maneuver at that kind of speed 932 00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:38,559 and doesn't make a noise. 933 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,090 That's when I kind of woke up to the whole thing. 934 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,299 - It would've blown our standard line out of the water. 935 00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:53,853 Therefore we wanted to bury this and we did. 936 00:46:56,730 --> 00:47:01,604 All the photographs and all the negatives were acquired 937 00:47:01,605 --> 00:47:05,973 by the Ministry of Defense and they were never seen again. 938 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,779 - [Narrator] Despite efforts of the Ministry of Defense 939 00:47:13,780 --> 00:47:16,282 to keep this evidence from the public, 940 00:47:16,283 --> 00:47:21,363 Royal Air Force Press Officer, Craig Lindsay kept one print, 941 00:47:21,848 --> 00:47:23,195 which he has now donated 942 00:47:23,196 --> 00:47:25,880 to the Center for Contemporary Legend, 943 00:47:25,881 --> 00:47:30,573 where it was analyzed by photo specialist, Andrew Robinson. 944 00:47:33,897 --> 00:47:34,839 - The first time he mentioned it to me, 945 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,999 he said, "I've got this photograph, 946 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,739 I wonder if you could copy it for me. 947 00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:40,677 I'm going up to Scotland to get it." 948 00:47:43,260 --> 00:47:45,969 Everything fitted with the story. 949 00:47:45,970 --> 00:47:47,582 It substantiates the narrative 950 00:47:47,583 --> 00:47:49,302 that's been told about it, 951 00:47:49,303 --> 00:47:51,309 that the grain seems very smooth 952 00:47:51,310 --> 00:47:52,539 over the edges of the object. 953 00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:54,257 There's no sign that anything was done 954 00:47:54,258 --> 00:47:56,793 to this after the image was taken. 955 00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:09,980 - So Craig Lindsay at the RVF saved this 956 00:48:09,981 --> 00:48:13,654 for 30 plus years. - Yes. 957 00:48:13,655 --> 00:48:15,854 Even after retirement, he took it with him 958 00:48:15,855 --> 00:48:18,009 when he left the office in 2000. 959 00:48:18,010 --> 00:48:19,059 - [James] He's kind of a hero. 960 00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:20,109 - He is a real hero. 961 00:48:20,110 --> 00:48:24,249 We would know so less about this story now 962 00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:26,380 if it wasn't for Craig doing what he did. 963 00:48:32,670 --> 00:48:36,788 - The reason that this was a good photo was twofold really. 964 00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:39,870 Firstly it was daylight, 965 00:48:39,871 --> 00:48:42,193 but secondly, far more importantly, 966 00:48:42,194 --> 00:48:44,800 there were features of the ground 967 00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:50,350 and what that meant of course is that one can triangulate, 968 00:48:50,351 --> 00:48:53,037 one can start to make detailed calculations 969 00:48:53,038 --> 00:48:57,189 about the distance of the object from the camera, 970 00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:59,583 the height above the ground, et cetera. 971 00:49:01,830 --> 00:49:05,046 The bottom line was everyone was very impressed with this 972 00:49:05,047 --> 00:49:09,783 and said, no, it's a solid structured real craft. 973 00:49:11,730 --> 00:49:13,989 Where are the wings? Where's the fuselage? 974 00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:16,611 Where are the engines? How does this thing fly? 975 00:49:16,612 --> 00:49:20,379 And what we were interested in trying to do 976 00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:22,719 from the images is to try 977 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,959 and almost reverse engineer an idea about 978 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,699 what kind of propulsion system was involved here 979 00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:33,219 and that we hoped would give us a clue 980 00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,373 as to who was operating this. 981 00:49:36,484 --> 00:49:40,299 The last thing we wanted was an open discussion 982 00:49:40,300 --> 00:49:44,495 about these up close and personal daylight images 983 00:49:44,496 --> 00:49:49,576 of a huge unknown craft of some type 984 00:49:50,430 --> 00:49:53,133 with military aircraft in the background. 985 00:49:55,770 --> 00:50:00,190 If you have a date and a location and a time 986 00:50:00,191 --> 00:50:04,206 when a military aircraft was seen, you would find out 987 00:50:04,207 --> 00:50:07,419 in an instant what aircraft it was, 988 00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:12,369 what squadron it came from, who the air crew were 989 00:50:12,370 --> 00:50:14,850 and you would instantly be able to debrief them. 990 00:50:15,739 --> 00:50:20,333 For whatever reason, the Ministry of Defense line 991 00:50:20,334 --> 00:50:25,414 on this is that the aircraft was not traced 992 00:50:27,344 --> 00:50:29,763 and the pilots were not interviewed. 993 00:50:33,930 --> 00:50:35,829 - [Narrator] The overwhelming consensus is 994 00:50:35,830 --> 00:50:37,509 that the military plane seen 995 00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:40,509 in the photo is a Harrier jump jet 996 00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:44,223 but neither records nor a pilot's name has been found. 997 00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:49,967 - So we've got three possible scenarios. 998 00:50:49,968 --> 00:50:51,903 One, hoax. 999 00:50:52,980 --> 00:50:57,429 Two, secret stealth military aircraft belonging 1000 00:50:57,430 --> 00:51:00,298 to the United States or some other foreign power, 1001 00:51:00,299 --> 00:51:05,139 or three, which would fall into the category of other 1002 00:51:05,140 --> 00:51:08,643 which would imply originating from a non-human intelligence. 1003 00:51:10,770 --> 00:51:15,429 - At one point during my posting on the UFO desk, 1004 00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:19,599 I went to a briefing, a more general briefing about UAP 1005 00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,399 and this photo was brought out 1006 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,569 and the briefer who was in the intelligence community said, 1007 00:51:25,570 --> 00:51:28,419 you know, "This photo here," he said, 1008 00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:30,039 and he started gesticulating 1009 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,042 and he said, you know, "It's not the United States." 1010 00:51:34,043 --> 00:51:39,123 And he said, "It's not Russia and that only leaves." 1011 00:51:39,822 --> 00:51:43,629 And he pointed straight up and we looked at his finger 1012 00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:47,343 and we looked at the ceiling and nothing further was said. 1013 00:51:52,187 --> 00:51:54,489 - [Narrator] Now 34 years 1014 00:51:54,490 --> 00:51:58,299 after their disappearance, a coworker at the hotel, 1015 00:51:58,300 --> 00:52:01,360 Richard Grieve, has broken his silence 1016 00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,990 - [Richard] I know the people that took the photograph. 1017 00:52:07,927 --> 00:52:10,493 I'd go my grave swearing 1018 00:52:10,494 --> 00:52:15,099 on my great-great-great-great great grandchildren's lives 1019 00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:16,533 on that, yes. 1020 00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:20,409 I worked with them in the kitchen. 1021 00:52:20,410 --> 00:52:22,072 I served fried eggs with 'em. 1022 00:52:22,073 --> 00:52:25,209 I made poached eggs, they made toast. 1023 00:52:25,210 --> 00:52:28,853 You know, we was five of us in the kitchen. 1024 00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:32,393 Ewan was a good breakfast chef. 1025 00:52:33,873 --> 00:52:35,493 I've just named one of them. 1026 00:52:37,024 --> 00:52:39,669 - [Narrator] A few days after taking the photos, 1027 00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:41,417 the witnesses and their coworkers were 1028 00:52:41,418 --> 00:52:43,997 on a five minute cigarette break 1029 00:52:43,998 --> 00:52:46,509 when they had an unexpected visit. 1030 00:52:46,510 --> 00:52:49,176 - [Richard] Pissing wet with rain, thundering weather, 1031 00:52:49,177 --> 00:52:51,090 big black car appears. 1032 00:52:52,456 --> 00:52:55,719 The car came out, the light stayed on, 1033 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:57,732 the window wipers stayed on, 1034 00:52:57,733 --> 00:53:01,929 private glass in the back, driver in the front. 1035 00:53:01,930 --> 00:53:04,173 He never got out of his car once, 1036 00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:07,053 but the two people in the back did. 1037 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,276 They stepped out the back and that was it. 1038 00:53:10,277 --> 00:53:13,329 "Cigarette break is over, go back inside. 1039 00:53:13,330 --> 00:53:15,807 We need to speak to your friends." 1040 00:53:18,469 --> 00:53:20,799 - [Narrator] Richard and the other chefs watched 1041 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,809 through a nearby hotel window 1042 00:53:22,810 --> 00:53:25,470 as the two strangers confronted their coworkers 1043 00:53:25,471 --> 00:53:27,093 in the parking lot. 1044 00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:31,029 - [Richard] They were fucking spooks. 1045 00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:32,829 They were men in black 1046 00:53:32,830 --> 00:53:36,723 and they stood outside in the pissing rain speaking to them. 1047 00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:42,639 - [Narrator] After roughly 10 minutes, the men drove off 1048 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,669 and the two witnesses came back inside. 1049 00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:47,469 - [Richard] They came in the back door. 1050 00:53:47,470 --> 00:53:50,253 They looked white as a fucking ghost. 1051 00:53:52,110 --> 00:53:53,905 Something happened to them. 1052 00:53:53,906 --> 00:53:56,903 They've seen something. 1053 00:53:56,904 --> 00:54:01,067 Whoever came out the car scared the absolute crap 1054 00:54:01,951 --> 00:54:02,951 out of them. 1055 00:54:04,471 --> 00:54:05,986 Guess what? 1056 00:54:05,987 --> 00:54:07,692 "We've taken a picture of UFO 1057 00:54:07,693 --> 00:54:09,963 "and the Americans are after us." 1058 00:54:14,104 --> 00:54:16,277 Whatever got said to them outside, 1059 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,459 they were not the same chefs 1060 00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:21,637 that left the same kitchen I was working in with them. 1061 00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:24,759 - [Narrator] According to their coworker, Richard, 1062 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,678 the two witnesses started to drink heavily, missed shifts, 1063 00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:30,778 slept in their cars at work 1064 00:54:30,779 --> 00:54:35,523 and after four weeks they vanished without a trace. 1065 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,974 - [Richard] Chefs don't just disappear 1066 00:54:37,975 --> 00:54:42,962 out of their kitchen for 34 years and not have no other job. 1067 00:54:42,963 --> 00:54:45,123 Do you hear what I'm saying? 1068 00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:49,900 You just don't fuck off and not work ever again. 1069 00:54:49,901 --> 00:54:54,572 Where are they? 1070 00:54:54,573 --> 00:54:56,716 Even if they do tip up to be dead, 1071 00:54:56,717 --> 00:55:00,047 I'd still like to know where they went. 1072 00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:28,089 - [Narrator] Back in Washington DC, the filmmakers arrive 1073 00:55:28,090 --> 00:55:31,119 at NASA headquarters for a press conference 1074 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,535 where the head of NASA will announce the results 1075 00:55:33,536 --> 00:55:37,323 of their first year long UAP study. 1076 00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:40,539 - The announcement was made during a news conference 1077 00:55:40,540 --> 00:55:44,610 on findings from NASA's headquarters in Washington DC 1078 00:55:44,611 --> 00:55:49,479 - We, NASA have taken for the first time concrete action 1079 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,038 to seriously look into UAP. 1080 00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:55,976 - UAP are one of our planet's greatest mysteries. 1081 00:55:55,977 --> 00:55:57,686 - We looked at NASA's assets. 1082 00:55:57,687 --> 00:56:00,916 They typically do not have the resolution needed 1083 00:56:00,917 --> 00:56:02,593 for UAP events. 1084 00:56:02,594 --> 00:56:06,039 - [Narrator] They relied on unclassified data only. 1085 00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,206 - The NASA independent study team. 1086 00:56:08,207 --> 00:56:10,971 - Based on our current findings and methodology 1087 00:56:10,972 --> 00:56:14,769 that we find no evidence to suggest that UAP. 1088 00:56:14,770 --> 00:56:17,529 - Have an extra terrestrial origin. 1089 00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:20,559 - Most events are explainable as planes. 1090 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,818 - Balloons, drones, satellites. 1091 00:56:23,819 --> 00:56:27,369 Aircraft seen with the sun glinting off of them. 1092 00:56:27,370 --> 00:56:29,880 - Weather phenomenon and instrument features. 1093 00:56:29,881 --> 00:56:34,961 - But we don't know what these UAP are, 1094 00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:37,450 but we're gonna try to find out. 1095 00:56:38,304 --> 00:56:41,110 - You said at the beginning of the meeting 1096 00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:43,960 that NASA will be transparent. 1097 00:56:43,961 --> 00:56:45,874 Well, a month and a half ago, 1098 00:56:45,875 --> 00:56:49,763 Mr. David Grusch said under oath in Congress 1099 00:56:49,764 --> 00:56:52,917 that US government is in possession of UAPs 1100 00:56:52,918 --> 00:56:54,675 and extraterrestrial life. 1101 00:56:54,676 --> 00:56:59,492 Do you believe what Mr. David Grusch said or is he lying? 1102 00:56:59,493 --> 00:57:00,729 - What he said, 1103 00:57:00,730 --> 00:57:05,079 if I recall having seen this on the nightly news, 1104 00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,095 was that he had a friend 1105 00:57:07,096 --> 00:57:11,289 that knew where a warehouse was 1106 00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:15,699 that had UFO locked up in a warehouse. 1107 00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:17,709 - I served at the NRO Operations Center 1108 00:57:17,710 --> 00:57:19,989 on the Director's briefing staff, 1109 00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:21,279 which included the coordination 1110 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,049 of the presidential daily brief 1111 00:57:23,050 --> 00:57:25,899 and supporting variety of contingency operations, 1112 00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:30,039 which I was the reserve intelligence division chief backup. 1113 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,223 - [Narrator] For the first time in history, 1114 00:57:32,224 --> 00:57:34,209 an intelligence officer 1115 00:57:34,210 --> 00:57:38,887 with top level security clearances testified under oath 1116 00:57:38,888 --> 00:57:42,812 that the US government has definitive proof 1117 00:57:42,813 --> 00:57:45,350 that we're not alone. 1118 00:57:45,351 --> 00:57:47,200 - Mr. Grusch. 1119 00:57:50,853 --> 00:57:53,502 - Mr. Chairman, ranking members and congressman. 1120 00:57:53,503 --> 00:57:55,569 My name is David Charles Grusch. 1121 00:57:55,570 --> 00:57:59,469 I was an intelligence officer for 14 years both in the US... 1122 00:57:59,470 --> 00:58:03,639 - [Narrator] Mr. Grusch, a decorated combat veteran, 1123 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,973 had been tasked by multiple agencies 1124 00:58:05,974 --> 00:58:11,054 to look specifically into classified UAP evidence. 1125 00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:12,549 - I was my agency's co-lead 1126 00:58:12,550 --> 00:58:14,379 in unidentified anomalous phenomena 1127 00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:17,259 and transmedium object analysis 1128 00:58:17,260 --> 00:58:20,099 as well as reporting to the UAP taskforce. 1129 00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:24,009 - The inspector general deemed his whistleblower claim 1130 00:58:24,010 --> 00:58:26,523 both credible and urgent. 1131 00:58:28,035 --> 00:58:30,249 - Mr. Grusch, in the last couple 1132 00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:34,089 of years have you had incidences that have caused you 1133 00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:37,305 to be in fear for your life for addressing these issues? 1134 00:58:37,306 --> 00:58:39,064 - Yes, personally. 1135 00:58:39,065 --> 00:58:42,510 - [Narrator] Upon discovering a rogue UAP program, 1136 00:58:42,511 --> 00:58:46,509 Mr. Grusch felt going public was his only option. 1137 00:58:46,510 --> 00:58:47,589 - I just want everyone to note 1138 00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:50,739 that he's coming forward in fear of his life. 1139 00:58:50,740 --> 00:58:51,819 To put it in perspective, 1140 00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:54,489 if they were really not scared about this information coming 1141 00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:55,982 out, why would someone be intimidated like that? 1142 00:58:55,983 --> 00:58:57,879 - Has the US government become aware 1143 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,039 of actual evidence of extraterrestrial 1144 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,009 otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence? 1145 00:59:03,010 --> 00:59:05,833 - I was informed in the course of my official duties 1146 00:59:05,834 --> 00:59:10,059 of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval 1147 00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:12,219 and reverse engineering program, 1148 00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:14,775 I made the decision based on the data I collected 1149 00:59:14,776 --> 00:59:18,849 to report this information to my superiors 1150 00:59:18,850 --> 00:59:20,567 and multiple inspectors general 1151 00:59:20,568 --> 00:59:22,648 and in effect, becoming a whistleblower. 1152 00:59:22,649 --> 00:59:25,239 - What level of security clearance is required 1153 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,365 to fully access these programs? 1154 00:59:27,366 --> 00:59:30,710 - You know, TS/SCI clearance meets the eligibility criteria. 1155 00:59:30,711 --> 00:59:33,129 The access adjudicated authority should be able 1156 00:59:33,130 --> 00:59:34,839 to grant you access. 1157 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:35,739 - Mr. Grusch if you'll yield, 1158 00:59:35,740 --> 00:59:37,666 so just to put a fine point on that. 1159 00:59:37,667 --> 00:59:39,439 - You know, he knows all this information 1160 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,499 but by law he can't tell it to us 1161 00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:43,539 unless we're in a secure environment. 1162 00:59:43,540 --> 00:59:47,169 - It's something I can't discuss in public setting. 1163 00:59:47,170 --> 00:59:48,459 - Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe 1164 00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:50,790 that our government is in possession of UAPs? 1165 00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:53,271 - Absolutely, based on interviewing 1166 00:59:53,272 --> 00:59:55,569 over 40 witnesses over four years. 1167 00:59:55,570 --> 00:59:57,121 - [Robert] And where? 1168 00:59:57,122 --> 00:59:59,169 - I know the exact locations 1169 00:59:59,170 --> 01:00:02,080 and those locations were provided to the Inspector General 1170 01:00:02,081 --> 01:00:04,569 and some to the intelligence committees, 1171 01:00:04,570 --> 01:00:07,450 I actually had the people with the firsthand knowledge 1172 01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:11,260 provide a protected disclosure to the Inspector General. 1173 01:00:12,245 --> 01:00:15,579 - I handle intelligence and cybersecurity for the... 1174 01:00:15,580 --> 01:00:18,219 - [Narrator] Kirk McConnell, a former staff member 1175 01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:21,377 for the Senate Armed Services Committee was present 1176 01:00:21,378 --> 01:00:24,369 at meetings with current and former government 1177 01:00:24,370 --> 01:00:27,801 and contractor personnel claiming firsthand knowledge 1178 01:00:27,802 --> 01:00:31,045 of involvement in crash recovery operations, 1179 01:00:31,046 --> 01:00:35,709 intelligence operations and reverse engineering programs. 1180 01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:40,675 - They have or have had very high level security clearances. 1181 01:00:40,676 --> 01:00:45,009 They appear to be rational and believable. 1182 01:00:45,010 --> 01:00:48,434 - [James] You're telling me people have come forward 1183 01:00:48,435 --> 01:00:53,380 behind the scenes claiming firsthand knowledge 1184 01:00:55,137 --> 01:00:57,519 of craft of non-human origin? 1185 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,193 - That's correct. They have. 1186 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,569 We have, let's say sources, we have individuals, people 1187 01:01:04,570 --> 01:01:07,794 who have asserted not only that there have been crashes 1188 01:01:07,795 --> 01:01:10,149 but there have been crash retrievals 1189 01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:13,629 and that there is a crash retrieval effort 1190 01:01:13,630 --> 01:01:16,209 that has spanned a significant period of time 1191 01:01:16,210 --> 01:01:18,423 since the end of the Second World War. 1192 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:24,145 And so it does deserve to be looked at seriously 1193 01:01:24,146 --> 01:01:26,013 and not dismissed. 1194 01:01:34,110 --> 01:01:36,699 - You know, I've always kept and tried to keep an open mind 1195 01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:39,189 and I really believe it's all about the data. 1196 01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:40,909 I'm very empirical 1197 01:01:40,910 --> 01:01:44,469 and I'm not gonna say take a conclusive position on this 1198 01:01:44,470 --> 01:01:47,319 until there is absolute conclusive proof. 1199 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,159 But at this point together with some other sources, 1200 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,640 I started to think, oh my god, it's really true. 1201 01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:58,836 - [Narrator] In 2020, former Deputy Assistant Secretary 1202 01:01:58,837 --> 01:02:03,135 of Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon engaged 1203 01:02:03,136 --> 01:02:05,709 in confidential correspondence 1204 01:02:05,710 --> 01:02:09,309 with a high level government official with credible access 1205 01:02:09,310 --> 01:02:12,879 who described in considerable detail aspects 1206 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:16,361 of an alleged UAP recovery program. 1207 01:02:16,362 --> 01:02:18,724 After he cleared it for release, 1208 01:02:18,725 --> 01:02:22,720 Mellon provided an unredacted copy with names including 1209 01:02:22,721 --> 01:02:25,659 that of the gatekeeper of the program 1210 01:02:25,660 --> 01:02:27,669 to select members of Congress. 1211 01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:30,472 - I was flabbergasted when I got this message. 1212 01:02:30,473 --> 01:02:34,322 This is from somebody that I knew, 1213 01:02:34,323 --> 01:02:36,908 a senior government official 1214 01:02:36,909 --> 01:02:41,989 with appropriate clearances and access telling me 1215 01:02:44,736 --> 01:02:49,736 that UAP have landed and been recovered 1216 01:02:50,610 --> 01:02:52,524 and there was a formal government program 1217 01:02:52,525 --> 01:02:57,605 and he had encountered it, discovered it 1218 01:02:57,870 --> 01:03:00,003 and was seeking to be read into it. 1219 01:03:01,279 --> 01:03:05,799 Blank and I are making huge progress getting 1220 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,839 into the crash retrieval program. 1221 01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,262 So it's not just one individual, it's two 1222 01:03:10,263 --> 01:03:13,359 who are involved and witting. 1223 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,459 He plans to meet with you at some point. 1224 01:03:16,460 --> 01:03:19,403 Senate Armed Services and Intelligence Committees 1225 01:03:19,404 --> 01:03:23,529 would be slack jawed if they found out what we now know. 1226 01:03:23,530 --> 01:03:25,041 We're dealing with the recovered UAP 1227 01:03:25,042 --> 01:03:30,122 that landed not crashed, landed in Kingman, Arizona 1228 01:03:30,330 --> 01:03:31,749 in the fifties. 1229 01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:36,159 We also know who recovers landed or crashed UAPs 1230 01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,658 under what authorities. 1231 01:03:37,659 --> 01:03:39,819 We know the management structure 1232 01:03:39,820 --> 01:03:41,709 and the security control systems 1233 01:03:41,710 --> 01:03:43,787 and ownership of the program. 1234 01:03:43,788 --> 01:03:46,299 We know a still-highly classified memo 1235 01:03:46,300 --> 01:03:49,130 by the secretary of the Air Force in the fifties is still 1236 01:03:49,131 --> 01:03:51,526 in effect to maintain the cover. 1237 01:03:51,527 --> 01:03:53,862 We also know who the Air Force gatekeeper is 1238 01:03:53,863 --> 01:03:56,019 and he names him. 1239 01:03:56,020 --> 01:03:58,389 - [Narrator] The gatekeeper is the individual 1240 01:03:58,390 --> 01:04:01,197 who manages access to the program. 1241 01:04:01,198 --> 01:04:04,767 - And I know someone who spoke to the Air Force gatekeeper 1242 01:04:04,768 --> 01:04:09,848 and the Air Force gatekeeper purportedly 1243 01:04:10,761 --> 01:04:12,933 so neither confirmed nor denied. 1244 01:04:19,523 --> 01:04:22,940 - [Narrator] US Air Force Master Sergeant, Jason Sands 1245 01:04:22,941 --> 01:04:25,234 has secretly testified to the Senate 1246 01:04:25,235 --> 01:04:27,858 and House Intelligence Committees. 1247 01:04:27,859 --> 01:04:30,304 This is his first time going on camera 1248 01:04:30,305 --> 01:04:34,503 to discuss the unclassified portion of those meetings. 1249 01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:39,225 - Could you and a handful of others prove 1250 01:04:39,226 --> 01:04:42,331 to our government, our elected officials, 1251 01:04:42,332 --> 01:04:46,659 that we are in possession of off world vehicles? 1252 01:04:46,660 --> 01:04:47,573 - Yes. 1253 01:04:50,940 --> 01:04:52,346 - [Narrator] Master Sergeant Sands is willing 1254 01:04:52,347 --> 01:04:55,280 to publicly testify under oath to Congress 1255 01:04:55,281 --> 01:04:58,484 that he can produce the classified details needed 1256 01:04:58,485 --> 01:05:03,565 to verify the following claims provided he's given immunity. 1257 01:05:03,810 --> 01:05:05,803 - I'm a retired Air Force Master Sergeant. 1258 01:05:05,804 --> 01:05:07,719 Part of my career in the 1990s, 1259 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,009 I worked three years at the (beep) 1260 01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:12,849 and the programs which included numerous sites 1261 01:05:12,850 --> 01:05:14,229 around the United States 1262 01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:16,959 and I was one of the red team members that would go out 1263 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,239 and do telecommunications assessments 1264 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,119 to check for intelligence leaks 1265 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,029 and counterintel type issues at those locations 1266 01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:27,513 that were involved in the legacy program. 1267 01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:33,189 - [Narrator] The term legacy program means endeavors 1268 01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:37,258 to collect, exploit or reverse engineer technologies 1269 01:05:37,259 --> 01:05:41,859 of unknown origin or examine biological evidence 1270 01:05:41,860 --> 01:05:46,053 of living or deceased non-human intelligence. 1271 01:05:47,133 --> 01:05:49,029 - [James] Do you have the names of the programs? 1272 01:05:49,030 --> 01:05:49,862 - [Jason] I gave it all to them. 1273 01:05:49,863 --> 01:05:50,701 - Do you have the names of the people involved 1274 01:05:50,702 --> 01:05:51,789 with the programs? 1275 01:05:51,790 --> 01:05:52,703 - [Jason] Yes. 1276 01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:56,169 - [Narrator] This definition appears verbatim 1277 01:05:56,170 --> 01:05:58,915 in the UAP Disclosure Act authorized 1278 01:05:58,916 --> 01:06:02,829 by Senator Schumer, Rounds, Rubio 1279 01:06:02,830 --> 01:06:07,299 and Gillibrand that passed the Senate in 2023. 1280 01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:08,747 - [James] Why now? 1281 01:06:08,748 --> 01:06:10,630 - I feel like it is the time 1282 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,793 where I've seen the interest in the Congress. 1283 01:06:16,170 --> 01:06:19,389 I've seen the interest with the UFO programs. 1284 01:06:19,390 --> 01:06:21,096 - Unidentified aerial phenomena. 1285 01:06:21,097 --> 01:06:22,959 - [Jason] And including the talk of 1286 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,429 that standing up and everything. 1287 01:06:24,430 --> 01:06:27,189 Kind of think in my head, is this the time to do this? 1288 01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:29,409 Because I'd seen so many times that it failed. 1289 01:06:29,410 --> 01:06:30,668 - Tracking what we now call. 1290 01:06:30,669 --> 01:06:32,109 - Decade after decade 1291 01:06:32,110 --> 01:06:34,509 of, you know, somebody trying to come forward, 1292 01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:37,440 pointing fingers at Congress, pointing fingers at (beep), 1293 01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:40,119 pointing fingers at whoever else 1294 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,003 and it just was very adversarial. 1295 01:06:46,020 --> 01:06:48,129 If I felt comfortable enough without getting shot 1296 01:06:48,130 --> 01:06:49,449 to go walk on (beep) 1297 01:06:49,450 --> 01:06:51,655 and show them exactly what I told them in the interview, 1298 01:06:51,656 --> 01:06:53,017 I would go out there and I would drive them right up 1299 01:06:53,018 --> 01:06:54,879 to the gate 1300 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,030 as long as I knew they had the authority to walk 1301 01:06:56,031 --> 01:06:59,349 into that facility with me. 1302 01:06:59,350 --> 01:07:00,999 This is the hangar I told you about. 1303 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,769 There's the radar over there. 1304 01:07:02,770 --> 01:07:04,479 There's the weather station that was taken over. 1305 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,279 Here's where me and the commander went 1306 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,403 around the whole base. 1307 01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:12,969 I could show them all of those kinds of things 1308 01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:15,473 and that's where we're kind of headed with all this. 1309 01:07:18,148 --> 01:07:19,610 I get the fact that the technology, 1310 01:07:19,611 --> 01:07:21,219 if you could separate that out 1311 01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:22,779 and call that national security, 1312 01:07:22,780 --> 01:07:24,374 that the technologies they're working on 1313 01:07:24,375 --> 01:07:27,439 that has some reason to stay classified, 1314 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,669 but the revelation that there's other life out there 1315 01:07:30,670 --> 01:07:33,083 that should be something for everybody. 1316 01:07:33,084 --> 01:07:34,623 That's the way I feel. 1317 01:07:43,047 --> 01:07:45,129 - [Narrator] Two congressional committee staffers 1318 01:07:45,130 --> 01:07:47,314 have confirmed the credentials of this witness 1319 01:07:47,315 --> 01:07:49,056 to the filmmakers. 1320 01:07:49,057 --> 01:07:51,329 He is who he says he is. 1321 01:07:51,330 --> 01:07:53,728 He was stationed where he said he was 1322 01:07:53,729 --> 01:07:58,623 and he's confirmed actual names of classified programs. 1323 01:08:00,075 --> 01:08:02,739 - There's so much concern 1324 01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:05,530 that there's something locked up classified 1325 01:08:07,470 --> 01:08:11,913 and that the American government is not being open. 1326 01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:15,819 Well, we are the American government and we are open 1327 01:08:15,820 --> 01:08:18,459 and we're gonna be open about this. 1328 01:08:18,460 --> 01:08:22,109 - Do you believe what Mr. David Grusch said or is he lying? 1329 01:08:22,110 --> 01:08:27,190 - Whatever he said, where's the evidence is my response. 1330 01:08:28,763 --> 01:08:31,779 - I can give you a specific cooperative 1331 01:08:31,780 --> 01:08:33,279 and hostile witness list. 1332 01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:34,914 - And we could get that in the SCIF if we were allowed 1333 01:08:34,915 --> 01:08:37,629 to get in a SCIF with you and that'd be probably. 1334 01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:38,739 - I can't discuss that publicly 1335 01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:39,779 but I did provide that information 1336 01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:43,299 both to the intel committees and the Inspector General. 1337 01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:45,969 - He also said he had another friend 1338 01:08:45,970 --> 01:08:51,050 that said that he had parts of an alien. 1339 01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:54,969 - Do we have the bodies of the pilots 1340 01:08:54,970 --> 01:08:57,099 who piloted this craft? 1341 01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:58,509 - As I've stated publicly already 1342 01:08:58,510 --> 01:09:01,059 in my News Nation interview, biologics came 1343 01:09:01,060 --> 01:09:02,985 with some of these recoveries, yeah. 1344 01:09:02,986 --> 01:09:04,748 - Do you believe our government has made contact 1345 01:09:04,749 --> 01:09:08,618 with intelligent extraterrestrials? 1346 01:09:08,619 --> 01:09:11,839 - It's something I can't discuss in a public setting. 1347 01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,670 (dramatic music) 1348 01:09:57,570 --> 01:09:59,319 - [Narrator] The following encounter took place 1349 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:04,400 at Nellis Test Range in Nevada in the winter of 1994. 1350 01:10:04,697 --> 01:10:07,957 - As far as this unknown object, aircraft type. 1351 01:10:09,853 --> 01:10:11,589 18.6 degrees elevation. 1352 01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:14,259 - [Narrator] US Air Force Master Sergeant Jason Sands 1353 01:10:14,260 --> 01:10:16,869 was stationed at the nearby Nellis Air Base 1354 01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:19,899 with the 67th Intelligence Group at the time. 1355 01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:23,109 - This previous week, the UFO came on the range, 1356 01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:25,239 flew right by what we called the schoolhouse 1357 01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,457 'cause that's where we did the training 1358 01:10:26,458 --> 01:10:31,538 and it went down into the valley and continued on. 1359 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,490 So they have actual video of it 1360 01:10:33,491 --> 01:10:35,589 and that's what you see out there in the public, 1361 01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:36,999 this Nellis range UFO. 1362 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,799 - P1 control doesn't know what type 1363 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,599 of aircraft it is either and no ACM, no tactics. 1364 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,749 - The system that they use also uses a a type of radar 1365 01:10:46,750 --> 01:10:50,415 to lock on to aircraft as they come into view. 1366 01:10:50,416 --> 01:10:54,159 So this is what recorded the UFO also. 1367 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,349 - A quick one, right up high now. 1368 01:10:56,350 --> 01:10:58,023 It's going like straight up. 1369 01:11:01,647 --> 01:11:03,429 - The people that leaked the video out 1370 01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:06,693 to the public also leaked the names of those individuals. 1371 01:11:09,307 --> 01:11:11,180 - I don't know. 1372 01:11:14,593 --> 01:11:15,849 - And they were talking, a lot of 'em were excited. 1373 01:11:15,850 --> 01:11:17,589 Some didn't know what it was they were saying. 1374 01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:19,959 Some of 'em were saying it was a UFO for sure. 1375 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:21,429 Other people were like, no, it had to be some kind 1376 01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:23,409 of messed up looking helicopter. 1377 01:11:23,410 --> 01:11:24,622 Other people were like, I just don't know. 1378 01:11:24,623 --> 01:11:25,724 I just don't know. 1379 01:11:25,725 --> 01:11:27,903 But everybody was excited about it. 1380 01:11:31,140 --> 01:11:33,519 - [Narrator] Three days later, Sergeant Sands was part 1381 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,209 of a convoy overseeing a training exercise. 1382 01:11:37,210 --> 01:11:39,849 He was in the lead vehicle heading toward the center 1383 01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:42,543 of Nellis Range, near Quartz Mountain. 1384 01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:50,968 - One of those days when the wind just cuts right 1385 01:11:50,969 --> 01:11:52,649 through whatever you're wearing. 1386 01:11:54,278 --> 01:11:58,179 It's me, there's another person in the passenger seat 1387 01:11:58,180 --> 01:12:00,003 and a young lady off to my right. 1388 01:12:02,923 --> 01:12:06,159 About a mile down the road, there's this guy on my left 1389 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,429 and he looks like he's wearing a uniform like ours. 1390 01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:13,053 But I also noticed the skin tone is very white to blue. 1391 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,179 And I'm thinking, oh crap, this guy is dying of hypothermia 1392 01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:20,259 and he's running funny too. 1393 01:12:20,260 --> 01:12:21,924 It's like every step he takes, 1394 01:12:21,925 --> 01:12:24,512 he looks like he's gonna fall over. 1395 01:12:24,513 --> 01:12:26,313 Guy needs help. We need to stop. 1396 01:12:32,670 --> 01:12:35,739 As we get closer, I definitely get the idea 1397 01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:37,149 that he must be suffering from hypothermia 1398 01:12:37,150 --> 01:12:40,563 because he does have this bluish tint to his skin. 1399 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,289 I'm thinking, this guy needs medical help. 1400 01:12:44,290 --> 01:12:45,150 I need to get my butt out of the car 1401 01:12:45,151 --> 01:12:49,123 and, you know, before he falls down and starts to die. 1402 01:12:49,124 --> 01:12:51,362 And I'm thinking... - [Narrator] In the distance, 1403 01:12:51,363 --> 01:12:54,457 Sergeant Sands noticed a strange landed craft 1404 01:12:54,458 --> 01:12:56,433 resembling a helicopter, 1405 01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,239 but he was more focused on the individual in need of help. 1406 01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,759 - And then as we slow down and we approached the part 1407 01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,889 where he's the only just a few feet away, 1408 01:13:05,890 --> 01:13:07,876 the guy in the passenger seat screams, 1409 01:13:07,877 --> 01:13:10,437 "He's got no f-ing ears." 1410 01:13:17,730 --> 01:13:19,779 At that point, there's my open door, 1411 01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:21,549 I'm standing on one side of it, 1412 01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:24,044 and the individual that was running towards us was 1413 01:13:24,045 --> 01:13:25,899 on the other side. 1414 01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:30,213 And I shut the door and I look up and he's got no ears. 1415 01:13:34,440 --> 01:13:36,566 And I'm thinking, is he a mutant? 1416 01:13:36,567 --> 01:13:39,009 I look at them, they're symmetric. They're just like ours. 1417 01:13:39,010 --> 01:13:40,839 They got lobes, everything. 1418 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,669 It's just, they're conformed to his head. 1419 01:13:42,670 --> 01:13:44,529 They're not sticking out like we do. 1420 01:13:44,530 --> 01:13:46,876 And then I notice his eyes, they're like twice as big 1421 01:13:46,877 --> 01:13:51,940 and I'm thinking he's either not from around here, 1422 01:13:51,941 --> 01:13:53,793 from another planet, kind of not around here, 1423 01:13:53,794 --> 01:13:56,853 or this is some sort of a mutant. 1424 01:13:58,710 --> 01:13:59,769 And he turns towards me. 1425 01:13:59,770 --> 01:14:02,424 And I get that kind of a snake bite kind of a fear 1426 01:14:02,425 --> 01:14:06,789 in my gut like, oh my gosh, you know, I'm very scared. 1427 01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:08,384 And then he starts talking to me 1428 01:14:08,385 --> 01:14:13,465 and he's speaking a language I don't know, 1429 01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:16,239 but I'm understanding every word he says 1430 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,213 and I don't know how that happened. 1431 01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:23,589 So there's this telepathic sort 1432 01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:24,606 of understanding I get from him, 1433 01:14:24,607 --> 01:14:26,637 but he's speaking a different language. 1434 01:14:27,663 --> 01:14:30,639 - [James] How far away were you from him? 1435 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,370 - No, more than about three feet. 1436 01:14:36,090 --> 01:14:38,769 The eyes caught me at first for how dark they were, 1437 01:14:38,770 --> 01:14:41,199 but it was more like, you know, looking at somebody 1438 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,253 that had just large eyes that were dark colored. 1439 01:14:47,338 --> 01:14:48,369 Looking right in the eyes 1440 01:14:48,370 --> 01:14:50,075 and then I'm starting to kind of once him over 1441 01:14:50,076 --> 01:14:52,863 and I can see his battle dress uniform. 1442 01:14:54,090 --> 01:14:54,999 Usually if you go up range, 1443 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,279 you wear your really crappy stuff 1444 01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:59,019 and this guy had a pristine uniform on. 1445 01:14:59,020 --> 01:15:00,337 I remember looking at his boots thinking, 1446 01:15:00,338 --> 01:15:02,973 how on earth are they that shiny? 1447 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:05,889 And after running as far as he did just there, 1448 01:15:05,890 --> 01:15:07,089 he should have had dust on them. 1449 01:15:07,090 --> 01:15:09,833 And I'm thinking, how did they stay pristine like that? 1450 01:15:11,754 --> 01:15:13,329 So it was a little bit off to me 1451 01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:16,179 but that didn't stop me for too long 1452 01:15:16,180 --> 01:15:17,589 because he was asking me stuff 1453 01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:19,830 and he was asking for some material, 1454 01:15:19,831 --> 01:15:23,229 a material he called either tintillium, trintillium 1455 01:15:23,230 --> 01:15:27,271 or something like that and I didn't know what the name was. 1456 01:15:27,272 --> 01:15:30,023 He mentioned it was to repair his craft. 1457 01:15:30,024 --> 01:15:32,439 And the only material that I could come up with, 1458 01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:33,600 I was like, "Is that titanium?" 1459 01:15:33,601 --> 01:15:35,247 He's like, "No." 1460 01:15:36,330 --> 01:15:38,259 And then he stepped off the roadway 1461 01:15:38,260 --> 01:15:39,690 and went back to his craft. 1462 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,119 - [Narrator] As the individual walked back toward the craft, 1463 01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:47,769 Sergeant Sands realized 1464 01:15:47,770 --> 01:15:50,949 his military colleagues seemed entranced. 1465 01:15:50,950 --> 01:15:54,909 They all watched as the pilot climbed back into the cockpit 1466 01:15:54,910 --> 01:15:56,732 and the canopy closed. 1467 01:15:56,733 --> 01:15:59,913 The vehicle rose silently. 1468 01:16:09,090 --> 01:16:11,889 - He got into the cockpit and then he kinda went up 1469 01:16:11,890 --> 01:16:16,959 in chunks like stair steps above the roadway 1470 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,740 and then he took off to the south. 1471 01:16:19,674 --> 01:16:21,909 I got back in the car, everybody seemed to come back 1472 01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:23,139 to normal, snapped to, 1473 01:16:23,140 --> 01:16:25,320 and we just went up and did our daily job. 1474 01:16:29,790 --> 01:16:32,709 - Would you respond to anyone watching this 1475 01:16:32,710 --> 01:16:34,779 that would say this guy's clearly? 1476 01:16:34,780 --> 01:16:35,797 - A nut job? - Yeah. 1477 01:16:35,798 --> 01:16:37,419 - I would say number one, 1478 01:16:37,420 --> 01:16:39,953 the Congress would never have talked to me if I was. 1479 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,259 I was verified probably a year 1480 01:16:44,260 --> 01:16:48,063 before I even talked to Congress by the UAP taskforce. 1481 01:16:50,535 --> 01:16:53,349 There are databases that people don't have access to 1482 01:16:53,350 --> 01:16:54,182 that only Congress and people 1483 01:16:54,183 --> 01:16:56,902 that are in special access programs have. 1484 01:16:56,903 --> 01:16:59,089 That's where they discovered my name. 1485 01:16:59,090 --> 01:17:01,269 That's where they saw where I was stationed 1486 01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:03,265 also in my military records, 1487 01:17:03,266 --> 01:17:06,336 that established, at least who I said and where I had been 1488 01:17:06,337 --> 01:17:08,222 and the programs I was accessed to, 1489 01:17:08,223 --> 01:17:10,533 they can verify all of that. 1490 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,429 - [Narrator] The producers contacted DOD officials 1491 01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:17,751 who were aware of the 1994 encounter, 1492 01:17:17,752 --> 01:17:21,813 but would not verify it on or off the record. 1493 01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:27,783 As extraordinary as this story seems, 1494 01:17:27,784 --> 01:17:30,279 the subject is not new. 1495 01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:31,903 The Air Force and other agencies, 1496 01:17:31,904 --> 01:17:34,446 as well as governments around the world 1497 01:17:34,447 --> 01:17:38,168 have been documenting close encounters of the third kind, 1498 01:17:38,169 --> 01:17:41,710 reports of interactions with non-human intelligence 1499 01:17:41,711 --> 01:17:45,063 since at least the 1940s. 1500 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,467 - I asked some of our scientists, 1501 01:18:01,468 --> 01:18:03,816 what is the mathematical probability 1502 01:18:03,817 --> 01:18:07,713 that there is life out there in the universe. 1503 01:18:09,180 --> 01:18:11,733 At least a trillion. 1504 01:18:14,367 --> 01:18:16,779 And when you think of the universe 1505 01:18:16,780 --> 01:18:19,507 and how vast that it is, 1506 01:18:19,508 --> 01:18:23,490 there are billions and billions of galaxies 1507 01:18:23,491 --> 01:18:27,445 and each of those galaxies, including our own, 1508 01:18:27,446 --> 01:18:31,203 have billions and billions of stars. 1509 01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:37,629 - [Narrator] There are 10,000 times more stars 1510 01:18:37,630 --> 01:18:40,297 in the universe than there are grains of sand 1511 01:18:40,298 --> 01:18:42,843 on the surface of the earth. 1512 01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:50,049 - Has the US government become aware 1513 01:18:50,050 --> 01:18:52,239 of actual evidence of extraterrestrial 1514 01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,869 otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence? 1515 01:18:54,870 --> 01:18:57,434 And if so, when do you think this first occurred? 1516 01:18:57,435 --> 01:19:01,539 - Certainly, like I've discussed publicly, 1517 01:19:01,540 --> 01:19:02,973 previously 1930s. 1518 01:19:04,177 --> 01:19:07,029 - I'm Congressman Tim Burchett from Knoxville, Tennessee. 1519 01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:09,405 I was one of 'em that was responsible for putting 1520 01:19:09,406 --> 01:19:11,946 on the big hearings that we had on UFOs 1521 01:19:11,947 --> 01:19:16,012 with Grusch, Fravor and Graves. 1522 01:19:16,013 --> 01:19:17,072 - The testimony you are about to give us. 1523 01:19:17,073 --> 01:19:18,878 - Claims under oath were made 1524 01:19:18,879 --> 01:19:23,876 that if true are paradigm shifting for all civilization. 1525 01:19:23,877 --> 01:19:26,859 What is being done to verify the assertion 1526 01:19:26,860 --> 01:19:28,340 that the US government has spaceships 1527 01:19:28,341 --> 01:19:31,869 of non-human intelligence in their possession? 1528 01:19:31,870 --> 01:19:35,709 - We need to have a select committee on that because... 1529 01:19:35,710 --> 01:19:36,579 - [Narrator] Over a year 1530 01:19:36,580 --> 01:19:38,469 after the congressional hearings 1531 01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:41,319 featuring Intelligence Officer Grusch, 1532 01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,479 Congress is still unable to get him 1533 01:19:43,480 --> 01:19:47,169 into a sensitive compartmented information facility 1534 01:19:47,170 --> 01:19:48,787 referred to as a SCIF 1535 01:19:50,050 --> 01:19:53,049 where he can provide the classified details 1536 01:19:53,050 --> 01:19:54,452 of what he knows. 1537 01:19:54,453 --> 01:19:55,835 - Where would you look? 1538 01:19:55,836 --> 01:20:00,309 Titles, programs, departments... 1539 01:20:00,310 --> 01:20:02,139 - Every obstacle's being put up. 1540 01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:04,029 You know, they're trying to block Grusch from getting 1541 01:20:04,030 --> 01:20:05,349 into the SCIF saying this, 1542 01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:07,299 he doesn't have the security credentials. 1543 01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:10,688 - I cannot share classified information in public settings. 1544 01:20:10,689 --> 01:20:13,019 - [Narrator] Not only has Grusch been obstructed 1545 01:20:13,020 --> 01:20:16,869 from fully revealing the classified details necessary 1546 01:20:16,870 --> 01:20:19,303 for Congress to verify his claims, 1547 01:20:19,304 --> 01:20:22,359 but his private medical records were leaked 1548 01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,625 to the media resulting in stories, 1549 01:20:24,626 --> 01:20:28,569 questioning his credibility and mental health. 1550 01:20:28,570 --> 01:20:30,129 - Grusch is saying the government 1551 01:20:30,130 --> 01:20:33,455 leaked his personal medical information to smear him, 1552 01:20:33,456 --> 01:20:36,729 and discredit his claims that he made against them. 1553 01:20:36,730 --> 01:20:41,619 - David is not making conclusions, he's providing data. 1554 01:20:41,620 --> 01:20:44,829 And this is where I think the media has gotten it wrong, is 1555 01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:47,848 that he's just saying, look, I was tasked 1556 01:20:47,849 --> 01:20:50,409 to go collect this data 1557 01:20:50,410 --> 01:20:53,559 and I just provided the data to the relevant authorities. 1558 01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:55,179 Now, the only reason, frankly, 1559 01:20:55,180 --> 01:20:57,249 that David is sitting at that table was 1560 01:20:57,250 --> 01:20:59,169 because the relevant authorities didn't like 1561 01:20:59,170 --> 01:21:01,989 what he was saying and went after him. 1562 01:21:01,990 --> 01:21:03,639 - What I personally witnessed myself 1563 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,153 and my wife, was very disturbing. 1564 01:21:07,470 --> 01:21:09,069 - [Narrator] He filed an official report 1565 01:21:09,070 --> 01:21:12,129 of witness intimidation to the Inspector General 1566 01:21:12,130 --> 01:21:13,367 of the intelligence community, 1567 01:21:13,368 --> 01:21:16,532 which is an ongoing investigation. 1568 01:21:16,533 --> 01:21:19,322 - It was very brutal, some of the tactics they used 1569 01:21:19,323 --> 01:21:23,221 to hurt me both professionally and personally, 1570 01:21:23,222 --> 01:21:24,933 to be quite frank, yeah. 1571 01:21:25,797 --> 01:21:28,179 - [Narrator] Meanwhile, back in the Senate, 1572 01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:32,709 the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023 passed. 1573 01:21:32,710 --> 01:21:35,953 An unprecedented piece of legislation that could prove 1574 01:21:35,954 --> 01:21:39,273 or disprove Grusch's claims. 1575 01:21:40,410 --> 01:21:44,067 - For the government to obtain any recovered UAP material 1576 01:21:44,068 --> 01:21:48,609 or biological remains that may have been provided 1577 01:21:48,610 --> 01:21:50,829 to private entities in the past 1578 01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:55,575 and thereby hidden from Congress and the American people. 1579 01:21:55,576 --> 01:21:58,861 We are lacking oversight opportunities 1580 01:21:58,862 --> 01:22:02,889 and we are not fulfilling our responsibilities. 1581 01:22:02,890 --> 01:22:05,769 - [Narrator] The bill's most significant provision provided 1582 01:22:05,770 --> 01:22:07,508 for a presidential level panel 1583 01:22:07,509 --> 01:22:11,199 to look into all other federal agencies. 1584 01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,019 - Presidentially appointed and Senate confirmed 1585 01:22:14,020 --> 01:22:16,509 to control the process of reviewing the records 1586 01:22:16,510 --> 01:22:18,279 and recommending to the president 1587 01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:23,199 what records should be released immediately or postponed. 1588 01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:25,085 - [Narrator] The bill passed in the Senate, 1589 01:22:25,086 --> 01:22:28,059 but was shot down in the House. 1590 01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:30,969 - Key portions of an unprecedented measure 1591 01:22:30,970 --> 01:22:35,198 to disclose classified government records relating to UAPs. 1592 01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:36,904 Those measures were stripped 1593 01:22:36,905 --> 01:22:39,339 from the annual defense spending bill. 1594 01:22:39,340 --> 01:22:41,427 - It's beyond disappointing that the House has refused 1595 01:22:41,428 --> 01:22:44,058 to work with us on all the important elements 1596 01:22:44,059 --> 01:22:47,707 of the UAP Disclosure Act during the NDAA Conference. 1597 01:22:47,708 --> 01:22:49,179 But nevertheless. 1598 01:22:49,180 --> 01:22:52,299 - [Narrator] Key to gutting the bill were Mike Rogers 1599 01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:55,979 of Alabama, the Chair of the House Armed Services Committee, 1600 01:22:55,980 --> 01:23:00,129 and Mike Turner, the chair of the House Intel Committee, 1601 01:23:00,130 --> 01:23:02,479 who represents Dayton, Ohio, home 1602 01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:05,720 of Wright Patterson Air Force Base, long rumored 1603 01:23:05,721 --> 01:23:10,612 to be one location where UAP material is kept. 1604 01:23:10,613 --> 01:23:12,249 - If there's nothing to see here 1605 01:23:12,250 --> 01:23:15,369 why are Mike Rogers and Mike Turner in the House 1606 01:23:15,370 --> 01:23:17,529 blocking this bill that is, 1607 01:23:17,530 --> 01:23:21,729 in my opinion, the most important legislation 1608 01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:24,249 for transparency in American history? 1609 01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:26,436 - The story is that they've held it from Congress, 1610 01:23:26,437 --> 01:23:27,909 from the administration. 1611 01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:30,639 I mean, it's pretty astonishing if true. 1612 01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,069 - Every decade there's been individuals who've said 1613 01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:35,385 that the United States has such pieces 1614 01:23:35,386 --> 01:23:38,348 of, you know, unidentified flying objects 1615 01:23:38,349 --> 01:23:41,079 that are from outer space. 1616 01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:42,759 There's no evidence of this 1617 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,939 and certainly, you know, it would be quite a conspiracy 1618 01:23:45,940 --> 01:23:47,559 for this to be able to be maintained, 1619 01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,029 especially at this level, 1620 01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:52,149 - Pull up his PAC donors, who are his biggest donors? 1621 01:23:52,150 --> 01:23:54,117 Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing. 1622 01:23:54,118 --> 01:23:56,409 If there's nothing to see here, 1623 01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:59,733 why don't we just pass this and see what happens? 1624 01:24:03,433 --> 01:24:05,019 - Most people won't touch it. 1625 01:24:05,020 --> 01:24:08,319 I mean, one, they're afraid to be embarrassed, 1626 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,273 or two, they're afraid of what they find. 1627 01:24:15,406 --> 01:24:18,066 - Those with firsthand knowledge, 1628 01:24:18,067 --> 01:24:20,949 who have, you know, an interest 1629 01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:25,503 in being forthcoming are deterred from doing so 1630 01:24:25,504 --> 01:24:28,569 because they're afraid of the consequences. 1631 01:24:28,570 --> 01:24:31,569 Despite the whistleblower protections 1632 01:24:31,570 --> 01:24:35,470 that exist in statutes and in policies 1633 01:24:35,471 --> 01:24:40,551 that those are just not really nearly effective enough. 1634 01:24:42,273 --> 01:24:47,273 They feel that their livelihoods will be at risk. 1635 01:24:49,204 --> 01:24:51,347 In some cases, even worse. 1636 01:24:51,348 --> 01:24:54,669 There's some people who express fear 1637 01:24:54,670 --> 01:24:56,403 for their personal safety. 1638 01:25:02,140 --> 01:25:05,109 - Thank you so much to all of our speakers. 1639 01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:07,901 We will start taking questions. 1640 01:25:07,902 --> 01:25:11,254 For those in the room, we have a microphone over here 1641 01:25:11,255 --> 01:25:12,773 that we would ask you to speak into. 1642 01:25:12,774 --> 01:25:14,169 - Thank you very much. 1643 01:25:14,170 --> 01:25:16,986 This is directed to Mr. Nelson. Thank you for being here. 1644 01:25:16,987 --> 01:25:18,879 Two quick questions. 1645 01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,730 One is, how can we make the determination 1646 01:25:21,731 --> 01:25:25,139 of what something isn't when we don't know what it is? 1647 01:25:25,140 --> 01:25:29,091 And B, after a careful review of the data, 1648 01:25:29,092 --> 01:25:31,193 if it's determined that some, 1649 01:25:31,194 --> 01:25:36,274 underline the word some 10 times, UFOs or UAP originate 1650 01:25:36,464 --> 01:25:38,110 from a non-human intelligence, 1651 01:25:38,111 --> 01:25:40,929 what's the plan to disclose that to the public? 1652 01:25:40,930 --> 01:25:43,209 - And can you identify yourself please? 1653 01:25:43,210 --> 01:25:44,943 - James Fox. Thank you. 1654 01:25:45,965 --> 01:25:48,540 - Let me repeat what I said. 1655 01:25:50,173 --> 01:25:53,981 I think it's important that you hear this word for word. 1656 01:25:53,982 --> 01:25:58,906 The NASA independent study team did not find any evidence 1657 01:25:58,907 --> 01:26:02,949 that UAP have an extraterrestrial origin. 1658 01:26:02,950 --> 01:26:08,030 But we don't know what these UAP are, 1659 01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:09,910 but we're gonna try to find out. 1660 01:26:10,809 --> 01:26:12,039 - [James] Thank you very much. 1661 01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,000 And is there a plan in place if it is determined 1662 01:26:14,001 --> 01:26:16,779 that some of them originate from a non-human intelligence 1663 01:26:16,780 --> 01:26:18,219 to tell the public? 1664 01:26:18,220 --> 01:26:19,239 Is there a plan or? 1665 01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:23,109 - If we are what I said we intend to be, 1666 01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:27,520 which is transparent, you bet your boots, 1667 01:26:27,521 --> 01:26:29,168 we will say that. 1668 01:26:29,169 --> 01:26:32,133 Whatever we find, we're gonna tell you. 1669 01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:37,839 - I just wonder if the people 1670 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,485 in power have even have any kind of plan for that. 1671 01:26:41,486 --> 01:26:45,023 I kind of doubt they're very prepared for that. 1672 01:26:45,024 --> 01:26:46,758 I don't know. 1673 01:26:46,759 --> 01:26:49,359 - What does the press release say 1674 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,109 when the government or governments decide to come forward 1675 01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:56,049 and say, yes, we have evidence that we're not alone. 1676 01:26:56,050 --> 01:27:01,130 That truth potentially upends the established order 1677 01:27:01,620 --> 01:27:03,189 across the world. 1678 01:27:03,190 --> 01:27:05,450 Political, religious, economic. 1679 01:27:05,451 --> 01:27:09,057 And I think there is a disincentive. 1680 01:27:09,058 --> 01:27:12,065 If you don't really know what the reaction is gonna be, 1681 01:27:12,066 --> 01:27:14,169 how is it gonna affect markets? 1682 01:27:14,170 --> 01:27:17,049 How is it gonna affect sovereign borders? 1683 01:27:17,050 --> 01:27:21,519 How is it going to affect economies around the world? 1684 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,950 How is it gonna affect the way people view God? 1685 01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:29,015 - Are people ready for some kind of revelation 1686 01:27:29,016 --> 01:27:33,958 that deals with extraterrestrial life, 1687 01:27:33,959 --> 01:27:38,616 life that is interdimensional, life that is otherworldly? 1688 01:27:38,617 --> 01:27:43,697 And so that kind of revelation unearths people's beliefs, 1689 01:27:45,726 --> 01:27:48,729 their religious beliefs, their spiritual beliefs, 1690 01:27:48,730 --> 01:27:50,859 what they've been taught all of their lives. 1691 01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:55,940 And so if such a revelation were to present itself, 1692 01:27:56,249 --> 01:27:57,674 how does it get presented 1693 01:27:57,675 --> 01:28:02,663 and can it be done in a way that people are accepting of it? 1694 01:28:02,664 --> 01:28:06,250 - People are threatened by this thing. 1695 01:28:06,251 --> 01:28:07,599 It doesn't threaten me. 1696 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:12,680 You know, I get the old fifties talk about 1697 01:28:12,810 --> 01:28:15,219 how this would upset the balance of our religions. 1698 01:28:15,220 --> 01:28:18,125 It doesn't upset me. I'm a born again Christian. 1699 01:28:18,126 --> 01:28:20,013 I think, you know, 1700 01:28:22,583 --> 01:28:25,233 Genesis says God created the heavens and the earth. 1701 01:28:26,786 --> 01:28:31,786 - And we made a list of well over a couple dozen issues 1702 01:28:31,890 --> 01:28:34,838 that would have to be addressed. 1703 01:28:34,839 --> 01:28:37,749 And some of them really got into the nitty gritty, like, 1704 01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:39,879 well, if corporation A finds out 1705 01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,373 that corporation B had access 1706 01:28:41,374 --> 01:28:44,769 to the advanced materials from crash retrievals 1707 01:28:44,770 --> 01:28:45,946 and they didn't, 1708 01:28:45,947 --> 01:28:47,881 well, then they're gonna sue that corporation 1709 01:28:47,882 --> 01:28:49,719 and they're also gonna sue the government 1710 01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,069 because they didn't get access 1711 01:28:51,070 --> 01:28:53,049 and one of their competitors did. 1712 01:28:53,050 --> 01:28:56,259 So, you know, when we added up all the numbers, 1713 01:28:56,260 --> 01:29:00,909 it turned out that despite our personal feelings about it, 1714 01:29:00,910 --> 01:29:04,749 as we entered this process, we came to the conclusion 1715 01:29:04,750 --> 01:29:09,830 that disclosure was kind of unsustainable almost. 1716 01:29:14,130 --> 01:29:16,149 It's a bigger, more complex issue 1717 01:29:16,150 --> 01:29:18,189 than most people probably appreciate 1718 01:29:18,190 --> 01:29:19,265 when they just say, well, 1719 01:29:19,266 --> 01:29:21,339 why don't they just tell us what's going on? 1720 01:29:21,340 --> 01:29:22,509 Be more transparent. 1721 01:29:22,510 --> 01:29:24,326 Well, there's a lot of things have 1722 01:29:24,327 --> 01:29:26,493 to happen before you get to that point. 1723 01:29:36,540 --> 01:29:40,323 - [Narrator] Today, we stand at a pivotal moment in history. 1724 01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:42,944 The question before us is not just 1725 01:29:42,945 --> 01:29:46,989 about unidentified anomalous phenomena, 1726 01:29:46,990 --> 01:29:48,030 but about the very principles 1727 01:29:48,031 --> 01:29:50,722 of transparency, accountability, 1728 01:29:50,723 --> 01:29:55,803 and trust between the government and the people it serves. 1729 01:29:56,190 --> 01:29:58,880 - Some of these crash retrieval programs may be... 1730 01:29:59,841 --> 01:30:01,652 - For whistleblowers and for the protection 1731 01:30:01,653 --> 01:30:02,649 of whistleblowers. 1732 01:30:02,650 --> 01:30:05,919 - [Narrator] There remains an ongoing official public effort 1733 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,909 to investigate what is really known about UAP. 1734 01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:13,569 - And to say, until I've seen evidence, 1735 01:30:13,570 --> 01:30:15,549 I'm just not gonna accept this. 1736 01:30:15,550 --> 01:30:17,829 I can't blame 'em. 1737 01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:20,894 I mean, that in fact is a scientific position. 1738 01:30:20,895 --> 01:30:22,569 - If they got the clearances 1739 01:30:22,570 --> 01:30:24,939 and were exposed to some of the evidence that you've seen, 1740 01:30:24,940 --> 01:30:27,007 would it be a different story? 1741 01:30:27,008 --> 01:30:29,829 - It'd be a different story about how they felt about it. 1742 01:30:29,830 --> 01:30:30,743 Yes, sure. 1743 01:30:31,801 --> 01:30:33,341 But then they couldn't tell their friends 1744 01:30:33,342 --> 01:30:37,269 or their wives or whatever, 1745 01:30:37,270 --> 01:30:39,243 so they would be in the position of people 1746 01:30:39,244 --> 01:30:41,169 that are on the other side. 1747 01:30:41,170 --> 01:30:42,946 And so if they tried to tell somebody, 1748 01:30:42,947 --> 01:30:45,869 they would get the same response to them as well, 1749 01:30:45,870 --> 01:30:48,851 prove it to me, show me some proof, 1750 01:30:48,852 --> 01:30:51,189 and they wouldn't be able to do it. 1751 01:30:51,190 --> 01:30:54,920 So that's what happens. 1752 01:30:54,921 --> 01:30:57,401 - [James] Damned if you do, damned if you don't. 1753 01:30:58,394 --> 01:31:01,311 - [Narrator] A growing number of high level insiders, 1754 01:31:01,312 --> 01:31:05,650 elected officials, physicists, intelligence officers 1755 01:31:05,651 --> 01:31:09,189 and military whistleblowers are telling us 1756 01:31:09,190 --> 01:31:12,614 that the evidence needed to prove their claims is being held 1757 01:31:12,615 --> 01:31:16,839 by private corporate entities contracted by the government 1758 01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,829 who for the time being remain immune 1759 01:31:19,830 --> 01:31:22,023 from congressional oversight. 1760 01:31:23,100 --> 01:31:24,759 - So there's a degree of separation 1761 01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,009 between them and the government. 1762 01:31:27,010 --> 01:31:28,568 It's just like, you know, you contract somebody 1763 01:31:28,569 --> 01:31:31,029 to paint the street out here 1764 01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:32,619 and they're not a government entity, 1765 01:31:32,620 --> 01:31:34,885 I can't bring them in in front of a committee. 1766 01:31:34,886 --> 01:31:38,352 I can bring the government entity that contracts with them, 1767 01:31:38,353 --> 01:31:42,039 but there's a great deal of separation there. 1768 01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,334 So that is by design, I feel like, 1769 01:31:44,335 --> 01:31:46,563 and that keeps it away from us. 1770 01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,289 - Do you believe that a higher form 1771 01:31:56,290 --> 01:32:00,309 of non-human intelligence has visited this planet? 1772 01:32:00,310 --> 01:32:01,864 - Non-human intelligence exists. 1773 01:32:01,865 --> 01:32:05,028 Non-human intelligence has been interacting with humanity. 1774 01:32:05,029 --> 01:32:09,381 This interaction is not new and it's been ongoing. 1775 01:32:09,382 --> 01:32:12,399 And there are unelected people in the government 1776 01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:13,839 that are aware of that. 1777 01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,614 - How confident are you that that is true? 1778 01:32:16,615 --> 01:32:18,483 - There's zero doubt. 1779 01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:22,615 - They have hardware and there's a craft 1780 01:32:22,616 --> 01:32:25,659 and there's occupants running these craft, 1781 01:32:25,660 --> 01:32:27,249 whatever they may be. 1782 01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:29,949 And it's a very super sensitive topic 1783 01:32:29,950 --> 01:32:34,539 because it's something that probably a minute fraction, 1784 01:32:34,540 --> 01:32:36,958 like less than 1,000 1785 01:32:36,959 --> 01:32:39,939 to 100,000 of the United States military 1786 01:32:39,940 --> 01:32:43,299 and the government are the only ones that know. 1787 01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:47,344 - If programs like that existed or still exist, 1788 01:32:47,345 --> 01:32:52,119 where even the president's top advisors aren't aware of it, 1789 01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:54,219 let alone the people's representatives 1790 01:32:54,220 --> 01:32:56,349 that's a government within a government. 1791 01:32:56,350 --> 01:32:57,965 How does a democracy survive 1792 01:32:57,966 --> 01:33:02,112 if you could have something like that, 1793 01:33:02,113 --> 01:33:04,689 that is shielded from the people 1794 01:33:04,690 --> 01:33:08,733 that are by law authorized to know about that stuff? 1795 01:33:11,269 --> 01:33:13,359 - [Narrator] Witnesses with nothing to gain 1796 01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:15,069 and everything to lose, 1797 01:33:15,070 --> 01:33:17,500 who claim firsthand knowledge are pleading 1798 01:33:17,501 --> 01:33:20,769 with elected officials for immunity 1799 01:33:20,770 --> 01:33:24,489 so they can testify under oath about what they know. 1800 01:33:24,490 --> 01:33:25,929 - That's what happens. 1801 01:33:25,930 --> 01:33:28,149 - [Narrator] The implications not just 1802 01:33:28,150 --> 01:33:29,529 for the United States, 1803 01:33:29,530 --> 01:33:32,312 but for all of humanity are so profound 1804 01:33:32,313 --> 01:33:34,509 that we owe it to ourselves 1805 01:33:34,510 --> 01:33:38,769 to continue to support our committed elected representatives 1806 01:33:38,770 --> 01:33:42,609 during this unprecedented push for transparency. 1807 01:33:42,610 --> 01:33:43,582 - Where would you look? 1808 01:33:43,583 --> 01:33:45,309 - [Narrator] If the existence 1809 01:33:45,310 --> 01:33:47,643 of these secret programs is true, 1810 01:33:48,512 --> 01:33:52,353 it would prove to be the greatest revelation in history. 1811 01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:01,539 - If we were provided the clearances right here 1812 01:34:01,540 --> 01:34:05,259 and right now, could you walk me into a lab 1813 01:34:05,260 --> 01:34:06,440 and show me something? 1814 01:34:08,105 --> 01:34:09,783 - I'm not saying anything. 1815 01:34:14,367 --> 01:34:17,117 (dramatic music) 1816 01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:32,259 - Have you ever met any insider 1817 01:34:32,260 --> 01:34:34,788 that made the indication to you that we're not alone? 1818 01:34:34,789 --> 01:34:38,643 - Yeah. Yes. 1819 01:34:39,966 --> 01:34:41,499 - Did you believe them? 1820 01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:42,430 - I believe them. 1821 01:34:44,035 --> 01:34:46,785 (dramatic music) 1822 01:35:00,108 --> 01:35:01,509 - It is very funny to me 1823 01:35:01,510 --> 01:35:06,429 that every time a Russian Bear comes across by Alaska 1824 01:35:06,430 --> 01:35:08,649 or the West Coast or whatever, we freak out. 1825 01:35:08,650 --> 01:35:11,409 We got fighter planes, everything up there. 1826 01:35:11,410 --> 01:35:12,543 We got an unknown that pops up 1827 01:35:12,544 --> 01:35:15,224 and everybody's just like, well, nothing is in here. 1828 01:35:16,466 --> 01:35:21,466 And I'm like, how can that be? You know, how can that be? 1829 01:35:22,269 --> 01:35:25,019 (dramatic music) 1830 01:35:49,783 --> 01:35:51,069 - I had a conversation about this 1831 01:35:51,070 --> 01:35:54,009 with the current secretary of the Air Force, Frank Kendall, 1832 01:35:54,010 --> 01:35:55,839 who has been in the Pentagon 1833 01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:58,326 or in and out of the Pentagon for 40 years. 1834 01:35:58,327 --> 01:36:00,535 And I said, "Hey, you're the head of the Air Force. 1835 01:36:00,536 --> 01:36:03,009 What do you make of this?" 1836 01:36:03,010 --> 01:36:03,946 And basically he said, 1837 01:36:03,947 --> 01:36:06,850 "Listen, the phenomenon has been around 1838 01:36:07,710 --> 01:36:09,579 for as long as I've been alive. 1839 01:36:09,580 --> 01:36:11,529 "This is not new, these reports." 1840 01:36:11,530 --> 01:36:12,946 In his view, he said, you know, 1841 01:36:12,947 --> 01:36:15,579 "I have to worry about threats. I have to worry about China. 1842 01:36:15,580 --> 01:36:16,412 I have to worry 1843 01:36:16,413 --> 01:36:19,269 about real world national security vulnerabilities." 1844 01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:23,049 And his point was like, maybe the scientific community needs 1845 01:36:23,050 --> 01:36:25,284 to be where you go to try and figure this out. 1846 01:36:25,285 --> 01:36:28,115 (dramatic music) 1847 01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:39,339 - My name is Fred Claussen. 1848 01:36:39,340 --> 01:36:43,809 I'm a retired Air Force bird colonel and fighter pilot. 1849 01:36:43,810 --> 01:36:47,739 In the spring of 1980, I had an event with a UAP. 1850 01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:51,639 I was scrambled while sitting alert with a fully armed F-15 1851 01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:55,899 to identify an unknown object over the North Sea. 1852 01:36:55,900 --> 01:36:57,249 Once I found the object, 1853 01:36:57,250 --> 01:37:00,482 I observed a glowing football shaped object about the size 1854 01:37:00,483 --> 01:37:04,599 of my F-15, less than a quarter of a mile away. 1855 01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:08,246 So I centered it up to my HUD, gun camera is running, 1856 01:37:08,247 --> 01:37:10,660 I'm taking pictures of it, trying to figure out 1857 01:37:10,661 --> 01:37:12,237 what I'm gonna do next. 1858 01:37:12,238 --> 01:37:15,063 Do I intercept it? Do I shoot at it? 1859 01:37:16,050 --> 01:37:16,929 I don't know. 1860 01:37:16,930 --> 01:37:20,259 Then all of a sudden, the object just disappeared, 1861 01:37:20,260 --> 01:37:23,283 went up into space in a blink of an eye and it was gone. 1862 01:37:24,576 --> 01:37:27,819 They had no wings, no type of propulsion 1863 01:37:27,820 --> 01:37:32,449 that I could identify, just a glowing object with structure 1864 01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:35,583 that was there and then it was gone. 1865 01:37:37,582 --> 01:37:40,269 I returned, debriefed my commander 1866 01:37:40,270 --> 01:37:43,179 and was told not to speak about it again. 1867 01:37:43,180 --> 01:37:45,905 Gun camera film that I had was confiscated, never 1868 01:37:45,906 --> 01:37:47,523 to be seen again. 1869 01:37:49,170 --> 01:37:50,199 - [James] Why are you coming forward now? 1870 01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:53,679 - I'm coming forward now because I'm 82 years old 1871 01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:56,731 and I feel the time is right to speak about this. 1872 01:37:56,732 --> 01:37:59,246 Even though my story is an old one, 1873 01:37:59,247 --> 01:38:03,009 it proves that the Air Force was intercepting, 1874 01:38:03,010 --> 01:38:07,239 unidentified flying objects in 1980s, 1875 01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,706 and mine was one of them. 1876 01:38:09,707 --> 01:38:12,537 (dramatic music) 1877 01:38:49,369 --> 01:38:50,738 - If the answers are, 1878 01:38:50,739 --> 01:38:55,819 there are no unidentified aerial phenomenon, then say that. 1879 01:38:55,980 --> 01:38:56,773 But that's not what the answers are. 1880 01:38:56,774 --> 01:38:58,779 The answers are, "We can't tell you." 1881 01:38:58,780 --> 01:39:00,609 - Were there members who were just gobsmacked 1882 01:39:00,610 --> 01:39:01,479 by the assertions 1883 01:39:01,480 --> 01:39:03,279 from David Grusch? - Yeah, they were. 1884 01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,446 They couldn't believe it, a lot of 'em. 1885 01:39:05,447 --> 01:39:09,273 They were a little shocked that all that came out. 1886 01:39:10,145 --> 01:39:12,895 (dramatic music) 1887 01:39:25,445 --> 01:39:28,234 - I heard lots of stories in 2017 about 1888 01:39:28,235 --> 01:39:33,315 there being a very strong evangelical Christian community 1889 01:39:34,140 --> 01:39:36,759 within the military, particularly in the Air Force 1890 01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:39,399 that didn't want to go here. 1891 01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:40,899 Put that stuff away. 1892 01:39:40,900 --> 01:39:43,689 We don't want to hear about the woo-woo. 1893 01:39:43,690 --> 01:39:47,439 Because again, it doesn't fit the established, 1894 01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:49,613 accepted human story. 1895 01:39:49,614 --> 01:39:52,444 (dramatic music) 1896 01:40:10,050 --> 01:40:11,079 - [James] What would you like to see the president 1897 01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:12,360 of the United States do? 1898 01:40:15,096 --> 01:40:16,959 - I'd like the President of the United States not 1899 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:21,984 to be embarrassed and for fear that's gonna hurt his legacy 1900 01:40:21,985 --> 01:40:23,889 to say there's something going on out there. 1901 01:40:23,890 --> 01:40:25,170 Let's take a look at it. 1902 01:40:29,630 --> 01:40:31,179 It means that he's interested 1903 01:40:31,180 --> 01:40:34,239 in the scientific community coming up with some answers 1904 01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,689 to questions that thousands and thousands of people have, 1905 01:40:37,690 --> 01:40:38,699 and thousands and thousands 1906 01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:41,643 of people have experienced unusual things. 1907 01:40:48,510 --> 01:40:51,542 - We send people to the electric chair in this country 1908 01:40:51,543 --> 01:40:55,179 on the basis of eyewitness testimony every day. 1909 01:40:55,180 --> 01:40:58,175 It is a foundation of our legal system, 1910 01:40:58,176 --> 01:41:01,203 but that's not how this issue is treated. 1911 01:41:10,770 --> 01:41:12,639 - What happened when you looked at those photographs? 1912 01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:14,799 Come on, put me there. 1913 01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,379 - Well, it's like- - I wanna be you for a minute. 1914 01:41:17,380 --> 01:41:19,209 - It's like, wow. 1915 01:41:19,210 --> 01:41:22,029 You know, like, I can't think of any way 1916 01:41:22,030 --> 01:41:24,610 to explain this other than 1917 01:41:25,860 --> 01:41:27,759 this is not something in our inventory, 1918 01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:28,803 I'm pretty sure. 1919 01:41:49,862 --> 01:41:51,529 - James, thank you so much, my friend. 1920 01:41:51,530 --> 01:41:53,229 Let's go to work. 1921 01:41:53,230 --> 01:41:55,299 Everybody have a great safe, beautiful, fun 1922 01:41:55,300 --> 01:41:57,279 and amazing weekend. 1923 01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,619 We're gonna go work and go have some fun 1924 01:41:59,620 --> 01:42:01,869 so see you later, bye. 1925 01:42:01,870 --> 01:42:04,473 All right, James, thank you so much, my friend. 1926 01:42:05,426 --> 01:42:08,259 (dramatic music)