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Excuse me just a moment.

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That’s okay, that’s okay.

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Don’t you want a drink or something?

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No, I just wish this whole
thing could go away.

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It doesn’t go away.

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Most certainly the people
who have this information

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for the most part would love to
share it with their loved ones, to share it

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with their grandchildren, to
share it with humanity in general.

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We're not paid a penny for anything.

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I'm hoping that they will
someday release the information.

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It's information of such
great consequence that it's

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something that should
be shared by all humanity.

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It's not something
that should be limited to

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a privileged few within the
United States government.

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The only reason we're doing this
is to try and get as much of the truth

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out as we can while
some of us are still alive.

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Well now, Doctor, could
they be hallucinations or

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some other misrepresented objects?

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They could, but I am firmly convinced that

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such an explanation is
not valid for all of them.

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Might be in few cases, but they are

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still remaining a solid
block of very reliable,

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good observations which cannot
be explained by such means.

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I think we are entitled to know
what's happening in this world.

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We live in it.

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It's our world.

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Headline edition July 8, 1947.

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It's getting to be a long lost story.

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It's not going to be too long before

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there's not going to be anybody
left that was alive in 1947.

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The Army Air Forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is
now in the possession of the Army.

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I just think that you're
nuts if you talk about it, so.

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And I don't just generally talk about it,

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you know, to anybody
unless somebody calls and

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asks me to tell them what happened.

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It's not a source of
conversation over coffee.

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If I didn't think the
government was withholding

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information on the overall
situation, I wouldn't be

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sitting here being
interviewed for one thing.

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And it doesn't get any
easier because every time

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that I tell somebody about it, I
feel like I'm 12 years old again.

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They might regularly
land outside on oceans or

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in uninhabited parts of
countries, but they might

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also not be ready to tell us.

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- Okay.
- Well, well, I finally got back home.

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Well, you took too long.

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Well, I'm tired.

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I'm happy to be back home, I guarantee you.

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It's part of our deal.

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Spent all day looking for a
ranch where we found this stuff.

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We finally located it because it's too late

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to take pictures, so we had to drive
all the way back into the hospital.

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I tell you, I enjoyed going out
there, but it's too hard on them.

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So I'm getting too old
for that kind of stuff.

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Well, you can say that.

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Yeah, but I got to the point
where I couldn't even walk.

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I mean, it's tiring.

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We had trouble finding
a place to begin with.

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We searched the whole day for the place.

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But when I saw the place, I recognized it.

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Oh, yeah, that's good.

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So the house where Mr. Brazzere used to

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live, they renovated the whole thing.

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It's a boat.

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He took over the grass.

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And he was very helpful.

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He took us right to the spot.

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And he knew exactly where it was.

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So we were lucky to get this stuff.

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And I walked over the entire area.

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What happened?

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But I didn't recognize the exact spot.

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Oh, yeah.

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I took him to the exact
spot where it took the stuff.

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There wasn't any debris out there?

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Oh, no.

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Lord, I tell you, exactly.

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I don't know.

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There's nothing here.

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Roswell right now is
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It's a beautiful, beautiful sight.

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There's the illumination on the place.

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But I really enjoyed that.

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So my trip was worthwhile anyway.

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Well, I'm glad.

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I'm very happy about it.

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Well, son. It makes me feel better, too.

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I tell you, I'd love to live there again.

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Well, I would, too, you know.

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And I spent quite a bit of
time at Walter's house, too.

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I went to his art store.

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We had dinner together on
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So everything went OK.

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I had a big time.

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It sure sounds like it.

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I'm very, very happy for you.

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It makes me feel better.

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It takes me down out of my loneliness.

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Lord, I'm telling you.

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Well, son, I'm going to let you go now.

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- OK, Daniel.
- Look, I'll give you a call next week.

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OK, fine.

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Keep your chin up and
have as much fun as you can.

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All I think you do.

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I'll try to do that.

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- OK, brother. - All right. Bye-bye.

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Bye-bye.

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I think there were 15,000 people
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out at the base.

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It was a huge benefit to the community.

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Now, Roswell was probably one of the most

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patriotic towns in the whole United States.

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They saved every tin can around.

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They scraped the tin
foil off of gum wrappers.

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They saved the string.

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We turned everything in for the war effort.

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And even two years
afterwards, we were still doing it.

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The sequence of events, as I've been able

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to establish them in my mind, is you've

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got radar sightings taking place
early in July, 1st, 2nd, 3rd of July.

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You've got people watching
this thing with great interest.

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I mean, here we are over the site where
the atomic bomb was detonated in 1945.

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Atomic research still continues.

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The 509th bomb group and rockets
being launched from Alamogordo.

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So it's an area of high interest,
especially to a space traveling race.

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Friday, July 4th, the object
disappears from the scopes.

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There's reason to suspect it's down.

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The next morning, we've got
an archaeology team out there.

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We also have a man and a woman.

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This story now begins like every
science fiction movie you've ever seen.

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I've got a couple out in the desert.

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She's married. He's not.
They're not supposed to be there.

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The thing roars overhead
and slams into the ground.

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They look at it the night before, but

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they're so drunk, they
don't do anything about it.

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The next morning, they sneak
back to see what's going on.

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About the time, the
archaeology team shows up.

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The archaeologists send
someone back to call the sheriff.

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Sheriff alerts the 509th bomb group.

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We've got trucks coming in
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A military cordon going up around
the area here close to Roswell.

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And this is what's critical.

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Why do you put up guards on the
roads right off Highway 285 just north of

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town if all you've got is the debris
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You don't need to do that.

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If the craft impacts
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then the guards make perfect sense.

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You want to keep people out of the area.

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The team picks up the
bodies at that location.

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They're brought back to Hangar 84.

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The debris is brought back to this area.

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It's transported out
on the night of July 5th.

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The next day, they're sitting
around congratulating themselves.

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Aren't we bright?

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We got this thing contained.

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Nobody knows what's happened.

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Mack Brazel shows up at the sheriff's
office with a box full of the debris.

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Clearly, this is something else.

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My name is Frankie Rowe, R-O-W-E.

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Um, I know you've probably told this story

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a million times, but if you could tell

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it as fresh as possible for our
audience, that would be great.

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Just tell me what happened
when your dad came home that day.

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The very first time that
I heard about this at all.

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Okay.

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Daddy came home from work.

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They worked shifts of a type that they
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36 hours and then off 8 or 12, like that.

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So we hadn't seen him for a time.

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And he got home that evening
and he came in so excited.

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And I was in the kitchen with mother.

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And he asked mother, he said, I've
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Get everybody in here.

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And she said, we're
cooking supper right now.

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And he said, well, how
long is it going to be?

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Because I've got to talk to everybody.

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And it was just my mother and myself
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And my other sister was working.

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So we hurried and we got it on
the table and called the kids in.

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And he started telling us that they
had gone on a call of what they thought

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was going to be a plane
crash north of Roswell.

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And he said they got called
out to Blackwater Draw.

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And when they got out there, what
they saw was not a plane that was our

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plane, but he said it was a
flying craft from somewhere else.

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Well, we didn't ask questions,
but mother asked all the questions.

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And we were just listening.

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And she started, what do
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And he said, it's not an airplane.

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He said, it's not from this world.

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Now, here on this map
are pinpointed locations

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where some 30 saucers have been
sighted and are still unexplained.

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In a following composition,
Earth may have been,

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and may now be, present in the Earth's
atmosphere, strange aerial objects.

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Some are of a geometric order.

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Others can only be described
as brilliant light sources.

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Their form cannot be determined.

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He said the crash was like the flying

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saucers that they have
talked about, because there'd

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been a few comments on
the news about flying saucers.

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And he said it was one of
the flying saucers crashed.

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And I don't think really
mother believed him at first.

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And he said, no, he said, I mean it.

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We went out there early today, which I
don't know what time that was, but early

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to him could have meant
they left before dark.

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And he said when they got there, they
could see that there were two bodies

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that were laying on the
ground outside of this

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craft, and that there was one,
what he called, little person.

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And he said there's one little
person that was walking around.

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And he said they were still alive.

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So she asked him, you
know, what do they look like?

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Do they look like us?

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And he said they were very small, about
the size of a small 10-year-old child.

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But the head looked like the little
insect that we played with or that we saw

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around our house called Child of the Earth.

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We all knew what that looked like, so
nobody asked any questions on that.

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We assumed that meant that the head
was too large for the body, and it had

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no hair, and it would have large eyes.

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We knew that because that's what
the Child of the Earth insect looks like.

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He said they looked quite a bit like us.

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He said they were a
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Because when he said a small 10-year-old

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child, I knew he meant smaller than I was.

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And I wasn't very big at 12 years old.

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I was a little small for my age.

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And he said that the other two were
dead and that this one that was alive

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was very sad.

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But he emphasized and he kept
saying there's no need for us to be afraid.

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They're not here to hurt us.

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And he said we couldn't help them.

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And he was more upset over the fact
that they couldn't help this little person.

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And that's something
he really felt badly, that

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he couldn't help this one that was alive.

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He said you could feel the hurt from
this little person that was so saddened by

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the death of the others with him.

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And apparently they hadn't
been there but just a few minutes.

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And he said the military came
up and they made them leave.

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And so they went back to the fire station.

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And he said there had not been a

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grass fire, which would have
been their purpose for going.

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And they thought there could have
been if it had been a normal plane crash.

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I don't think Mother really
wanted to believe it at first.

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And he talked about how could we
be so smug to think that we were the

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only ones that God could create.

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If he could create this earth, he
could create a lot of others too.

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So that was just a conversation
over dinner that night.

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And then there wasn't too much
said about it for the next couple of days.

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Then I was at the fire station one
afternoon because I'd gotten sick.

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I had to see the doctor
and we only had one vehicle.

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So I went back to work with Daddy.

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He came home at noon and
picked me up on his lunch.

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And I had gone to the doctor and
was sitting in the kitchen part of the

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fire station.

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And I was eating a glass of ice chips.

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And a state policeman came
in and he yelled at Daddy.

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He said, Hey, Dan, come
over here and get all the guys.

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I want to show you guys something.

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The state policeman
reached into his pocket.

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And he said, I don't think you guys got
to see anything like this the other day.

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And he pulled his hand out of
his pocket and it was closed up.

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He opened his hand over the table and
dropped a piece of material that when it

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hit the table, it was all
watered up when it left his hand.

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And when it hit the table, it
spread out like it was water.

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And they were asking him, you
know, how'd you get by with this?

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And he said, well, he had helped
with some of the pickup of debris.

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And he had managed to sneak
that one piece in his pocket.

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He said, I don't know how long I'll
get to keep this before I get caught.

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He said, everybody they catch,
they're taking away whatever they've got.

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Last count, I had spoken to around four

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dozen people who who handled
various aspects of the debris.

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The most dramatic is the foil-like material

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that you could wad up in the ball
and let go and it would unfold itself.

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A lot of people reported that.

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What kind of material did we have in

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1947 that would, that had those properties?

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There were things like
foil backed with cloth

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that when you wad it up, it would

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tend to unfold itself somewhat, but
there were always the signs of creases.

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And some of the people were very specific.

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There was no sign of a crease or a
fold in this thing when it was let down.

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After a while, they tried to burn it.

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They'd almost all of
them carried the large,

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the old-fashioned lighters.

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They tried to burn it
and they couldn't burn it.

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It wouldn't catch on fire and they took

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out their pocket knives and they
tried to cut it and they couldn't cut it.

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So they got into a discussion as to
how, how bad a force it must have been

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to tear this piece of material.

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And they talked about, whether it came from

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the inside of the ship or
the outside or wadding.

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Of course, nobody knew where it came from.

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And while they were talking, I guess they

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all had their chance to play with it
for a while and was laying on the table.

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So I reached over and picked it up

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and I played for probably
about five minutes.

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And I tried everything they
had done with the wadding it up.

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When you would wad it up in your
hand, you couldn't feel it in your hand.

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You couldn't feel you had anything there.

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And it would go to a size that
was so small that you'd have to look

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to see if it was still in your hand.

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And then when you drop it, it
spread out all over the table.

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It made no noise, no sound of any kind.

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It was just like, it was nothing.

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It was like you were mashing air together.

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So it wasn't aluminum foil?

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Oh, absolutely not.

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No, we had scraped aluminum foil
off of everything for the war effort.

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No, I knew aluminum foil.

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No, this definitely wasn't.

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I didn't realize the
significance of it at the time.

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I just knew it was different than
anything I'd ever seen before.

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So I forgot all about it after that.

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Headline edition July 8, 1947.

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The Army Air Forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is
now in the possession of the Army.

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Something came down
during the first week of

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July, 1947, on what's
known as the Foster Ranch.

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A man named Matt Brazel was the foreman

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of that ranch, and he was
out checking his sheep.

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He found all this strange debris.

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He brought it by his
neighbors the next day.

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They suggested he
go into the sheriff with it.

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He went into Roswell,
which was a big journey.

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This was about 70 miles
north-northwest of Roswell.

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The sheriff, George Wilcox, called
the local air base Roswell Army Airfield.

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Two officers were dispatched,
Jesse Marcel Sr. and

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Sheraton Cabot, the CIC officer.

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Mack Brazel shows them the debris field.

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Clearly, it's just metallic debris.

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The question I posed to a number of
people, why didn't they react differently?

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And the answer has always been,
because they knew there was only one.

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They knew there was a single craft.

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They knew there was a single crash.

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They had it all contained.

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They took a calculated risk.

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Mack Brazel found some of the same stuff,

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but they knew it wasn't a craft itself.

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They knew it was just debris.

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Pieces of debris into the jeep.

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By the time he got back to the vicinity

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of the air base, it was close to midnight.

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He stopped by his house to show
his wife and 11-year-old son, Jesse Jr.,

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this unusual debris.

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Well, Jesse Jr. now is an M.D.

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He's a colonel in the
Montana Air National Guard.

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He's a helicopter pilot, one of the
standing fleet choppers in Vietnam.

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Very stable individual.

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The type of person that is seeking no
notoriety, has no axe to grind on this.

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I think to a great extent, he participates
in these things to see if he can

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help get the truth out.

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I think this is what a
bulk of us are doing.

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We're not, we have
nothing to gain by doing this.

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My father was on the intelligence team at

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the Roswell Army Airfield, and it was
his job to look at what they thought was

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a crashed aircraft or crashed
something out there out of Roswell.

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When he came in, he was very excited.

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He woke my mother and myself up.

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It must have been one or
two o 'clock in the morning.

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And he wanted us to see what
he was bringing in from the field.

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He said, this is parts of a flying saucer.

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And it was all brought in and
spread out on the kitchen floor.

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And we just looked at it.

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You know, I picked up this particular
I -beam and held it up to my upper

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left to look at it with the kitchen
light reflecting on the inner surface.

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And that's when I saw the
writing or the symbols of some sort.

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I thought at first, this is hieroglyphics
or some kind of writing like that.

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It certainly looked alien to me.

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Okay, well, yeah, just tell me what to do.

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Because I don't know how much of
me you've got in the picture or anything.

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This was developed with the help
of Jesse Marcel, Jr. and Kent Jeffrey.

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This is a replica of what was picked
up off of the desert by Major Jesse

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Marcel back in 1947.

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The one I saw was probably greatest three

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-eighths of an inch in cross-sectional
diameter, 12 to 18 inches long.

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Actually, the material that
I saw almost resembled

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something that could have blown out
to the side of the craft, like there was an

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in-flight explosion just spreading
debris or blowing debris out of the side.

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There is a debris field.

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It's three-quarters of a mile long, 300

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feet wide, according to Jesse
Marcel, loaded with this metallic debris.

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Mack Brazel describes
it, the debris being thick

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enough the sheep won't cross it.

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He's got to drive it around him.

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There's clearly a lot of debris.

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Bill Brazel talks about
a gouge down through

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the center, 500 feet
long, 10 feet at its widest.

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We don't pretend to
understand the mechanism of

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the shedding of this
massive amount of debris

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in one area and the craft
impacting much closer to Roswell.

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It's a much smaller craft, 15 to 20

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feet wide, maybe 25 feet
long, more or less intact.

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There seems to be
some sort of damage to it.

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There was some debris
scattered on the impact

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site itself, but I don't
begin to understand

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the mechanism for the shedding of that much

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debris in one area and the craft being
more or less intact in the other area,

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unless there's some kind of an outer
shell that it shed, or this was some kind

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of an escape capsule, and the entire craft

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disintegrated, and this is
how they attempted to get out.

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We just do not understand that,
and we have to speculate about it.

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Something crashed into
the desert outside Roswell in

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1947, and the ham-fisted fashion in which

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the U.S. Air Force handled the incident

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convinced a great many people that it was

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a flying saucer, and that at least one

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alien creature was
recovered from the crash site.

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It is precisely the mixture
of religion, science,

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superstition, and folklore,
intelligence, and ignorance that has

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produced among Americans
an entire subculture of belief

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in extraterrestrial life.

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It has gotten old, like anything else.

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It has become a job, a task,
no longer an exciting experience.

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My name is Walter G.

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The G stands for George Haut.

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H-A-U-T.

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You ought to remember Haut.

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I'm not the only one.

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There are other people
that have been involved

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in this that are in the same position.

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We're not paid a penny for anything.

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The only reason we're doing this
is to try and get as much of the truth

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out as we can while
some of us are still alive.

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You got to look at the age group
that was out at the base at that time.

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So many of the people that have been

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doing the legwork, so to
speak, were in their 20s.

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I was one of them.

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At the base, I was a crew member,

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navigator bombardier.

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That was my primary duty assignment.

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My secondary was as
public relations officer for

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Roswell Army Airfield
and the 509th Bomb Group.

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00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,120
The 509th Bomb Group,
incidentally, was a very elite group.

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00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,080
It was the only atomic bomb
group in the world at the time.

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The 509th Bomb Group was
originally organized during World War II.

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Their mission was to drop
the atomic bombs on Japan.

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We also dropped the bomb on Bikini.

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00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,400
The organization was pretty
much of a tight -lipped organization.

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By the time you get to Roswell in

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1947, it's the only atomic
strike force in the world.

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They're training people to begin other
atomic bombing groups in the Air Force.

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If you became the commander of the 509th

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Bomb Group, you inevitably were promoted
out of the job and became a general.

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It was the premier group
in the Air Force in 1947.

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Today's edition presents
a roundup of the latest

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developments in the
finding of a flying disc.

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00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,800
I was called to headquarters.

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Was given copies of a press release

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which stated, in essence, that we
had in our possession a flying disc.

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The army may be getting to the
bottom of all this talk about the so-called

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flying trumpet, as a matter of fact, the

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00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,920
509th Atomic Bomb Group
headquarters at Roswell, New

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Mexico, reports that it has received one of

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the discs which landed
on a ranch outside Roswell.

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From what we know, it was shown
to William Blanchard in the morning.

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About 12 o'clock at noon, a press
release was issued by Blanchard.

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My father is a 30-year retired Air
Force colonel, a World War II fighter ace,

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and he knew and worked with
William Blanchard in the early 1960s.

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00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,280
And according to my
father, Blanchard was no fool.

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00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:23,560
Blanchard was not the kind of man to
put out a press release about something so

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dramatic as a crashed UFO without
being absolutely certain he was correct.

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00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,280
In other words, if Blanchard said there was

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a crashed disc, there was a crashed disc.

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Colonel William Blanchard
of the Roswell Air Base

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refuses to give details of
what the flying disc looked like.

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00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,520
The media here was localized media.

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00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,560
You had a radio station of 250 watts.

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If you're outside of town,
you basically didn't get it.

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You had a second radio
station of equal size.

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00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,640
You had two newspapers.

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00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080
You could control the media very carefully.

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00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,720
It strikes me as odd in today's environment

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00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,120
to hear a radio station owner tell
me that the FCC would call and say, if

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00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,558
you broadcast the story, you will lose your

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00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,880
license, and they don't tell the FCC to

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00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,840
go play with themselves and
broadcast the story anyway.

478
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120
They suppressed the story, and
they were able to suppress the story.

479
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,118
They were able to do what
they needed to do to suppress it.

480
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,320
This was a military town in 1947.

481
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Then we have the military moving
in, cleaning all of that material up.

482
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,000
Walter Haught issues his press
release saying we've got a flying saucer.

483
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,560
I was told to hand deliver to the foreign

484
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,960
news media we had in town at that time.

485
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,680
We had two radio stations
and two newspapers.

486
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520
After I had lunch, I went
back out to the base.

487
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,440
First phone call that I got when I
got back to the office, a fellow from

488
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,520
London, England.

489
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:02,440
His interest was why did we put out
the press release in the manner we did,

490
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,840
and how did Major Marcel
know how to fly this object?

491
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,080
I had to explain to him that the
press release was put out on the orders

492
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,000
of the base commander,
number one, and number

493
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,240
two, Major Marcel did not fly this object.

494
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,560
He took this material and put it on

495
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,600
an aeroplane, and the
aeroplane was flown forward.

496
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,040
The phone rang and rang and rang and

497
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,640
rang until I would guess somewhere around 4

498
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,600
.30 as I got home,
somewhere around 5 o’clock.

499
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,920
That was the end of it.

500
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,160
The next morning when I went out and

501
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,494
picked up the newspaper,
said that headline that

502
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,640
General Ramey emptied our saucer.

503
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,920
The story was done.

504
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,497
Ramey says that so far
as can be determined,

505
00:31:12,563 --> 00:31:14,614
no one saw the object in the air,

506
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,160
and he describes it as being
made of some sort of tin foil.

507
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,720
That was aluminium
foil or a foil of some kind.

508
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400
It is not the material just so that

509
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,840
the material that he
brought into Ramey's office

510
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,920
is not what he was photographed with.

511
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,200
That was more of the cover-up.

512
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,360
I believe he said I didn't want
to be a liar about this, but I was

513
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,120
told this is what you're going to do.

514
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680
When the general tells you, you did it.

515
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,360
Simple.

516
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,000
Jesse Marcel in fact told a number of
people that it was a weather balloon.

517
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,040
When he was shown the picture in
the book, he said that's not the stuff I

518
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:58,800
brought home.

519
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,920
You know, when he came back from Carswell,

520
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,760
after flying the debris, he did tell me

521
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,520
not to talk about this, tell my
mother not to talk about this.

522
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,600
This is a non-event.

523
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,840
Play like it never happened.

524
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,600
Don't even talk about this
with your friends, which I didn't.

525
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,734
And, uh, years later, he
confided that he was actually

526
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,814
part of the cover-up because he went
along with the Air Force explanation,

527
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,560
even though he knew full
well that that was not true.

528
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,760
What do you think about
the weather balloon story?

529
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320
I think it's been a lie from the beginning,

530
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,280
but they have to cover up some way.

531
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,480
There was no weather balloon.

532
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,280
My dad would not have gotten
excited over a weather balloon.

533
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,800
He was not easily excitable, and this is

534
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,080
the most thrilled I'd
ever seen him in my life.

535
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,120
He thought that was the most
fantastic thing in the world.

536
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,760
When the government said it was not a

537
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640
flying saucer, there were
no space people here,

538
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,960
it was a weather balloon, the people in

539
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,560
Roswell said, okay, it's a weather balloon.

540
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,200
Roswell seems to be the first event like

541
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,240
this because they were simply not prepared.

542
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,960
So we've got a lot
of interest in this area.

543
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,520
The lid is slowly being shut down, and
it's absolutely brilliant what they did.

544
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,960
They announced they have a flying
saucer, but they've already captured it.

545
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,040
They've already got it.

546
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,080
There's nothing to see, so nobody
goes out looking for the thing.

547
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,080
Then they shift everything to Fort Worth.

548
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400
The higher headquarters says,
no, no, those guys made a mistake.

549
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,680
It was just a weather balloon.

550
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,360
The press can't find
Jesse Marcel because he's

551
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,400
in Fort Worth and he's been silenced.

552
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,200
They can't find Mack
Brazzo because he's held

553
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,920
at the guest house here at the base.

554
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,560
All the people they can find General Ramey.

555
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,200
General Ramey is saying
it's a weather balloon.

556
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,920
Colonel Blanchard suddenly
goes on leave on Tuesday.

557
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,120
So you can't get a hold of anybody.

558
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000
Blanchard's gone, Marcel's
gone, the rancher's gone.

559
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,640
All you can get are official spokesmen
saying, yeah, it's a weather balloon.

560
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,040
Press has got nowhere to go.

561
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,880
The story dies at that point.

562
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,760
Nothing to go on.

563
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,320
And everybody forgets
about it until Jesse Marcel

564
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,560
says, I picked up
pieces of a flying saucer.

565
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,734
So other than those people that had any

566
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:24,374
immediate access to the material and
handled it or saw it, the story was over.

567
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,440
We'd made a mistake.

568
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,840
Fear will do a lot of things.

569
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,680
And that was fear.

570
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:47,040
In 1947, it was much easier to intimidate
a child than it is in today's world.

571
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,880
We were not exposed to things like TV,

572
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,560
and we didn't have a TV in 1947.

573
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,280
And it was just, we
were a very patriotic town.

574
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,840
If we were told you don't do something

575
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040
for government safety, the safety
of your country, we didn't do it.

576
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,800
I'm not sure what the time span was,

577
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,280
maybe three days, maybe four, could
have been less, could have been more.

578
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,720
I was at home, and the car came
driving up the driveway, and we had a

579
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,800
pretty long driveway.

580
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,000
It was a military car.

581
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,240
And mother and I walked to the door.

582
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,200
They knocked on the door, and I answered

583
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,560
the door, and mother was beside me, and he

584
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,400
told mother who he was,

585
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:54,920
and that he wanted to talk to the girl
that had been there at the fire station.

586
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,000
And so she told him it was me.

587
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:06,080
So he came in, and we started to
sit down in the living room, and he

588
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,240
said, no, I want you to go
in there in the dining room.

589
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080
You could see the dining
room from the living room there.

590
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,640
He told mother to sit at the end
of the table, and he told me to

591
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720
sit at the side.

592
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,800
He positioned himself
across the table, and he

593
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,800
told us to sit down, and he stood.

594
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,120
And he said, I understand you
were at the fire station the other day.

595
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,880
And I told him, yes, I was.

596
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,400
And he started out by saying, I want

597
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,280
you to understand that
you were never there.

598
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,800
And I didn't understand
what he meant, because

599
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,880
this was kind of not a way of
talking that we were accustomed to.

600
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,640
And I said, yes, I was there.

601
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,640
And he said, no, you weren't.

602
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,400
And I said, yeah, I was there.

603
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,680
And he had mentioned at first that he
wanted to see the one who had seen

604
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,240
the piece of material that they had
been handling down at the station.

605
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,240
And I said, yes, I did handle it.

606
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,280
And he started emphasizing, no, you didn't.

607
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,360
Well, my mother was
pretty strict, and we didn't lie.

608
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,120
So I'm insistent that, yes, I saw it.

609
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,200
Yes, I held it.

610
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,440
And he got mad, and he was,
the more I insisted I had seen it.

611
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,640
He didn't just come out and say, this

612
00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,800
is not something you're going
to be allowed to talk about.

613
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,240
He was trying to get it through
my head that I never saw it.

614
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,168
And he got louder,

615
00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:55,094
and he had one of those,
looks like a small baseball bat

616
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,934
that hooks on the side of your belt.

617
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,534
And he took that out, and he's
holding it, and he starts beating his hand.

618
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Every time he said something,
he would hit that on his hand.

619
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,640
And he would say, I want you to understand,

620
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,960
you were never there.

621
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,680
You did not see anything.

622
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,080
You did not hear a conversation.

623
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,400
And he said, if you can't understand this,

624
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,000
there are things that we can do.

625
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,920
He asked Mother, he
said, can she keep a secret?

626
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,160
And Mother said, yes.

627
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,480
She said, just tell her
what you want her to do.

628
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,520
And he said, well, first of all,
you've got to understand that

629
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,480
if you ever talk about
this the rest of your life,

630
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,120
he said, there are things that
we can do, and we'll do them now.

631
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,040
We can take all of you kids.

632
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,680
We will take you either to
Orchard Park or to Artesia.

633
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,840
Orchard Park was a German
POW camp during World War II.

634
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,280
And Artesia was a Japanese POW camp.

635
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,040
And he said, but we don't have to do that.

636
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,640
We don't even have to let you live.

637
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,200
He said, we'd put you in one.

638
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,120
We'd put your parents in the other one.

639
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,120
But we don't have to do that.

640
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,920
He said, we could take you out
here in the middle of this desert.

641
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,840
He said, no one will ever
find your bodies, ever.

642
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,880
No one will ever know what happened to you.

643
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,000
And so he said, the only way I'm
going to let you stay around or live

644
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,960
is if you promise you'll never
talk about this the rest of your life.

645
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,120
So I told him I wouldn't.

646
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,520
But that really was pretty much all that

647
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,520
was involved.

648
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,160
He was probably there at the
house, maybe 45 minutes to an hour.

649
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,240
Mother sent me into the bedroom,
and I don't know what he had to say to

650
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,320
her afterwards.

651
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,160
One of the other military police that was

652
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,240
with him stayed in the backyard with the

653
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,320
younger kids so they didn't come
in the house while he was there.

654
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,214
And I never discussed
it again until recently.

655
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000
And I'm sorry.

656
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,400
Someday I will get over it.

657
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,640
I haven't yet.

658
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Your mother must have had
a hard time explaining to you.

659
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,840
Obviously, you were raised to be honest.

660
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,120
She never talked to us about it, never.

661
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,640
It was never mentioned again.

662
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,920
From the time you came
walking out of your bedroom?

663
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,014
From the time I went to the bedroom

664
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,080
until the day she died,
we never mentioned it.

665
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,800
There was no conversation.

666
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,920
What would you have thought?

667
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,360
I never talked to him about it either.

668
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,280
I'm sure they must have
talked to him down at the station.

669
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,320
He must have been a good talker.

670
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,840
I imagine he did.

671
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,560
Excuse me just a moment.

672
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,240
That’s okay, that’s okay.

673
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,280
Don’t you want a drink or something?

674
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,840
No, I just wish this whole
thing would go away.

675
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,760
It just, it doesn't go away.

676
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,280
And it doesn't get any easier because every

677
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,960
time that I tell somebody about
it, I feel like I'm 12 years old again.

678
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,920
I can see the guy standing there,

679
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,520
his sunglasses on, and
he never took his hat off.

680
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,360
He never took his
sunglasses off, beating his

681
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920
hand with that stick and dragging this.

682
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,880
And at the time he did it, it was okay.

683
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,680
Because we'd been through
the war, we understood.

684
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,040
And I didn't realize it was intimidation.

685
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,160
I had no idea what it was until

686
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,920
probably the last five years, actually,

687
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,400
because I never talked about it again.

688
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,960
I never mentioned it to anybody.

689
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,720
When this all came out and my kids

690
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080
found out about it, they
were really upset with me

691
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,880
because I never told them about it.

692
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,480
My husband, who was very upset with me

693
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,560
about it too, because I
never told him about it.

694
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,960
And what was it that
made you finally tell him?

695
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,360
Kevin Randall.

696
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,480
If we had Frankie Rowe's story
stand alone, I would be bothered by it.

697
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,680
A 12-year-old girl who meets with

698
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,160
military officers can certainly misconstrue
what they're trying to tell her,

699
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:43,400
especially the way that
they arrived at her house.

700
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,280
We know the event took place
because her sister corroborates it.

701
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,920
Her sister corroborates
her father's involvement.

702
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480
We have affidavits on that.

703
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,560
So, yeah, I believe Frankie Rowe's story.

704
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,800
I think that they did visit her and

705
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,720
they did suggest the things
she says they suggest.

706
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,480
And I believe that because we know that

707
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,400
others were intimidated
in similar fashions.

708
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,320
We have the military people
telling us they were sworn to secrecy.

709
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,680
All of this going on around it.

710
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,280
So Frankie Rowe is not standalone.

711
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,560
There's corroborative testimony
that suggests somebody was putting

712
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,760
pressure on people to
silence them, and they

713
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,280
used what means were necessary
to keep those people silent.

714
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,920
With the military people, it was merely the

715
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,400
threat of imprisonment and going
to jail because they understood that.

716
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,200
With some of the civilians, they were told

717
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,360
that if you ever talk
about it, you will be killed.

718
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,440
One of the people, I
forgot, Sheriff Wilcox,

719
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,080
his family was told the same thing,
that if he talked about it, not only would

720
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,320
he be killed, his wife would be killed,
and his daughters would be killed.

721
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,120
The whole family would be wiped out.

722
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,440
That comes from Sheriff Wilcox's
granddaughter, Barbara Dugger,

723
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,000
who heard the story from her grandmother.

724
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,080
So we have a wide range of testimonies

725
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,160
from various individuals
telling us of the pressures

726
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:55,840
that were placed on
them to keep them silent.

727
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,440
And I think they used the technique that

728
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,800
was best for that specific
group of individuals.

729
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,200
The material that was found out on the

730
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,920
debris field was secondary to the crash of

731
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,480
the actual object on the
night of the 4th of July.

732
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,640
I have heard secondhand
that there were alien bodies.

733
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,760
My mother had a friend.

734
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,800
I told you, she and I
never talked about it again.

735
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,960
She had a lady that would come out

736
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,480
and visit with her
occasionally, and this woman's

737
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,320
husband was working out at the base.

738
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,640
He was a painter
contracting to the government,

739
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:46,880
and he was painting in the base hospital

740
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,160
the day they brought them in,
and he saw the one walking in.

741
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,160
And I heard mother and Yulimay talking

742
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,560
about Herbert seeing
the one that walked in,

743
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,400
and that they brought
others in on stretchers.

744
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,320
And mother said to Yulimay, did
Herbert tell you what the face looks like?

745
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,200
Because Dan said it looked
like the child of the earth.

746
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,640
And Yulimay said that's what Herbert said.

747
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,600
And of course, they put them in
this side room, but a bunch of guys are

748
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,360
not going to just stand there, you know.

749
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,520
They're going to peek if they possibly can.

750
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,040
And they looked.

751
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,280
And I'm sure that probably
mother and Yulimay

752
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,160
and maybe daddy and
Herbert, and maybe there

753
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,320
was more discussion than I
know about, but not in my presence.

754
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,880
It's the only reference I ever
heard her make about that.

755
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,640
But I think that was done before they

756
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,880
came out to the house.

757
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,934
Because after they came out to the
house, I never heard another comment.

758
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,320
The U.S. Air Force is about to
tell us what it says happened.

759
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,834
We're going over to the Pentagon now, where

760
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,760
Colonel John Haynes of the U.S.
Air Force will tell us what happened.

761
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,840
For some bizarre reason,
the Air Force, which

762
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,000
whenever you queried it about UFOs,
said we have no interest in UFOs.

763
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,280
If you feel threatened by them,
contact the local law enforcement.

764
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,160
Decided they were going to
reinvestigate the Roswell case.

765
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,840
The conclusion of the first report left no

766
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,920
doubt that what was
recovered near Roswell, New

767
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,960
Mexico in July 1947 was debris from a

768
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,120
formerly top secret Army
Air Forces research project

769
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,720
codenamed Mogul.

770
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,960
In 1947, they told us it was a balloon
with a ray wind target attached to it.

771
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080
They then looked at their
documentation and said,

772
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,400
well, we told a little white lie in 1947.

773
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,520
Instead of just being a
normal meteorological balloon,

774
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,720
it was part of the array train for

775
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,960
what was then classified, the
classified project, Project Mogul.

776
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,080
Mogul was an attempt to
acoustically detect Soviet

777
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,480
nuclear blasts and
ballistic missile launches.

778
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,560
The Air Force said that that explains it.

779
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,040
It's a highly classified project.

780
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,720
The people at Roswell wouldn't
have recognized the balloon.

781
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,920
That's why it was covered up.

782
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,280
We didn't want the people
to get back to Project Mogul.

783
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,720
Where this falls down is they have no

784
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,400
documentation to prove
what was picked up at

785
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,160
Roswell was a Project Mogul balloon.

786
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,760
The people at Roswell,
Jesse Marcel, for example,

787
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,560
the air intelligence officer was
part of Operations Crossroads.

788
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,720
And we're told that the ray wind targets

789
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,574
in the meteorological balloons were
used as part of the atomic testing.

790
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,680
So he should have been
familiar with the balloons.

791
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,520
So you've got a situation
where they're saying

792
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,334
these guys with their
fingers on the triggers,

793
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,000
if you will, can't identify a balloon and

794
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,320
are so hysterically possessed
that they claim it's a flying saucer.

795
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,734
They didn't review the tapes
of the counterintelligence

796
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,040
NCOIC at the base who saw
the debris and commented on it.

797
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,720
They didn't review the tapes of Major Edwin

798
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,720
Easley, who told me that he couldn't talk

799
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,640
about it because it was still classified.

800
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,680
Forty seven years later, told me a number

801
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,920
of times in our first
conversation, I can't talk about it.

802
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,320
I was sworn to secrecy.

803
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,760
They didn't even talk to
Brigadier General Arthur

804
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,040
Exxon, who reported that he flew over the

805
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,000
two sites, two distinct
sites and reports the gouge.

806
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,240
A balloon will not leave a gouge.

807
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,440
So they didn't talk to the people
I would think were key people.

808
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,798
Instead, they talked to the people that are

809
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,198
going to lead them directly to the Project

810
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,720
Mogul explanation and let it go at that.

811
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,520
They say this was a top secret project,
implying there was special equipment.

812
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,040
It's a neoprene balloon and Raywin targets.

813
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,240
Raywin targets had been used for 20 years.

814
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,520
At first, they were used
because they reflected

815
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,920
the sun and they could track
them visually much easier.

816
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Now they they were adapted to radar use.

817
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,040
Irving Newton said they
launched literally hundreds of

818
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,240
them during the invasion of Okinawa.

819
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,280
There's nothing special about
these balloons, nothing at all.

820
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,200
And we're but by placing
with Project Mogul,

821
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,880
we're implying that there
was something unusual about

822
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,840
these balloons, that there
was something that would

823
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,400
keep these people from identifying.

824
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,640
But there wasn't.

825
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,480
This is in reference to Charles Moore, who

826
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,720
was the project engineer
on Mogul with respect

827
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,120
to the neoprene rubber used
on those meteorological balloons.

828
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,654
And they were standard
meteorological balloons.

829
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,960
The idea that the Mogul array was something

830
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,200
special or out of the
ordinary is an illusion.

831
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,774
But Moore explained to me the
type of rubber, how thin it was.

832
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,640
He actually compared it to a giant condom.

833
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,120
He said it was very thin
and that's what it looked like.

834
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,400
And my response to that was, well, if

835
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,414
that's the type of material
that this resembled,

836
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,720
it certainly isn't anything
that would have fooled

837
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,640
any members of the
United States Armed Forces.

838
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,200
Therefore, this was not a Mogul balloon.

839
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,014
I don't know that the Air Force has
ever explained what took them so long

840
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,320
to say this is the explanation,
if this is the explanation.

841
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,534
When I sent the first request to the

842
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,854
Secretary of Defense
for a response about the

843
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,694
Roswell incident in view of the fact that

844
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,014
there were these accusations,
essentially of a government

845
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,600
cover-up, the response I got was a
very terse letter that said in about a

846
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,494
sentence or two from the Air Force,

847
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,280
we referred your letter
to the National Archives.

848
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,240
That's all it said.

849
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,080
The National Archives
then said we don't have

850
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,200
any information about the
Roswell incident, which I

851
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,080
was convinced the Defense
Department had to know

852
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,960
before they were sending me there.

853
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,280
So in other words, I thought
I was getting the runaround.

854
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,774
They believe that the
records, in fact, were

855
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,120
destroyed more than four decades ago.

856
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,520
So there's not an individual on the
job now we can just call up and say,

857
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,360
what happened to these records?

858
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,080
And so the GAO has simply no further

859
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,200
recommendations or
ideas on how to go farther.

860
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,120
The only records we're
talking about being destroyed

861
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,760
are communications from
Roswell Army Airfield, 509th, only

862
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,080
atomic bombing group in the
world, out, out, moving messages.

863
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,560
How about the analysis of the materials?

864
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,240
How about the autopsy reports?

865
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,960
How about the eyewitness
testimony from those who

866
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,920
stood guard, those
who carried it, those who

867
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,720
tested at various government labs?

868
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,320
There ought to be a ton of other paper.

869
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,440
What happened to this?

870
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,720
What happened to the one that was alive?

871
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,760
I'm positive that there's
information being withheld from

872
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440
the public domain
concerning the Roswell event.

873
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,840
There are a lot of things
that our government hides.

874
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,934
And it isn’t right, they shouldn't.

875
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,854
They especially shouldn't do it to a town

876
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,120
like Roswell that was so supportive
of every single thing that they did.

877
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,000
The story is going to end one of these
days because there's nobody going to be

878
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,920
able to refute it or say anything about it.



