1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,000 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,454 Excuse me just a moment. 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,120 That’s okay, that’s okay. 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:13,960 Don’t you want a drink or something? 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,574 No, I just wish this whole thing could go away. 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,174 (dramatic music) 9 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:22,560 It doesn’t go away. 10 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,080 Most certainly the people who have this information 11 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,520 for the most part would love to share it with their loved ones, to share it 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,440 with their grandchildren, to share it with humanity in general. 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,920 We're not paid a penny for anything. 14 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,000 I'm hoping that they will someday release the information. 15 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,360 It's information of such great consequence that it's 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,760 something that should be shared by all humanity. 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,720 It's not something that should be limited to 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,800 a privileged few within the United States government. 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,680 The only reason we're doing this is to try and get as much of the truth 20 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,680 out as we can while some of us are still alive. 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,440 Well now, Doctor, could they be hallucinations or 22 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,520 some other misrepresented objects? 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,680 They could, but I am firmly convinced that 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920 such an explanation is not valid for all of them. 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,120 Might be in few cases, but they are 26 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,720 still remaining a solid block of very reliable, 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,080 good observations which cannot be explained by such means. 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,040 I think we are entitled to know what's happening in this world. 29 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,240 We live in it. 30 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,720 It's our world. 31 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,480 Headline edition July 8, 1947. 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,080 It's getting to be a long lost story. 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,800 It's not going to be too long before 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,720 there's not going to be anybody left that was alive in 1947. 35 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,000 The Army Air Forces has announced that a 36 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,720 flying disc has been found and is now in the possession of the Army. 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,134 I just think that you're nuts if you talk about it, so. 38 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,054 (dramatic music) 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,680 And I don't just generally talk about it, 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,760 you know, to anybody unless somebody calls and 41 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,734 asks me to tell them what happened. 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,134 (dramatic music) 43 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,680 It's not a source of conversation over coffee. 44 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,840 If I didn't think the government was withholding 45 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:19,640 information on the overall situation, I wouldn't be 46 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,974 sitting here being interviewed for one thing. 47 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,134 (dramatic music) 48 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,040 And it doesn't get any easier because every time 49 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,040 that I tell somebody about it, I feel like I'm 12 years old again. 50 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,120 They might regularly land outside on oceans or 51 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:47,280 in uninhabited parts of countries, but they might 52 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,160 also not be ready to tell us. 53 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:55,240 (dramatic music) 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,240 (dramatic music) 55 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,520 - Okay. - Well, well, I finally got back home. 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:15,960 Well, you took too long. 57 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Well, I'm tired. 58 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,680 I'm happy to be back home, I guarantee you. 59 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,240 It's part of our deal. 60 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,920 Spent all day looking for a ranch where we found this stuff. 61 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,240 We finally located it because it's too late 62 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,720 to take pictures, so we had to drive all the way back into the hospital. 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,560 I tell you, I enjoyed going out there, but it's too hard on them. 64 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,560 So I'm getting too old for that kind of stuff. 65 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,840 Well, you can say that. 66 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,560 Yeah, but I got to the point where I couldn't even walk. 67 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:50,360 I mean, it's tiring. 68 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,920 We had trouble finding a place to begin with. 69 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,640 We searched the whole day for the place. 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,920 But when I saw the place, I recognized it. 71 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,800 Oh, yeah, that's good. 72 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:04,080 So the house where Mr. Brazzere used to 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,400 live, they renovated the whole thing. 74 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,800 It's a boat. 75 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,840 (incoherent) 76 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,320 He took over the grass. 77 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,240 And he was very helpful. 78 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,960 He took us right to the spot. 79 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,000 And he knew exactly where it was. 80 00:04:18,840 --> 00:04:20,560 So we were lucky to get this stuff. 81 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,560 And I walked over the entire area. 82 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:24,720 What happened? 83 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,520 But I didn't recognize the exact spot. 84 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:28,720 Oh, yeah. 85 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,520 I took him to the exact spot where it took the stuff. 86 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,680 There wasn't any debris out there? 87 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:34,440 Oh, no. 88 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,800 Lord, I tell you, exactly. 89 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,000 I don't know. 90 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,440 There's nothing here. 91 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,360 Roswell right now is composed mostly of retirees. 92 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,040 It's a beautiful, beautiful sight. 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,800 There's the illumination on the place. 94 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:49,680 But I really enjoyed that. 95 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,040 So my trip was worthwhile anyway. 96 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,000 Well, I'm glad. 97 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,720 I'm very happy about it. 98 00:04:53,840 --> 00:04:55,640 Well, son. It makes me feel better, too. 99 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,880 I tell you, I'd love to live there again. 100 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,160 Well, I would, too, you know. 101 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,920 And I spent quite a bit of time at Walter's house, too. 102 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:04,600 I went to his art store. 103 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,960 We had dinner together on Tuesday night and Wednesday night. 104 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,200 So everything went OK. 105 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,280 I had a big time. 106 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,240 It sure sounds like it. 107 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,520 I'm very, very happy for you. 108 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:15,560 It makes me feel better. 109 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,320 It takes me down out of my loneliness. 110 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,560 Lord, I'm telling you. 111 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Well, son, I'm going to let you go now. 112 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,200 - OK, Daniel. - Look, I'll give you a call next week. 113 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,280 OK, fine. 114 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,040 Keep your chin up and have as much fun as you can. 115 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,440 All I think you do. 116 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:30,400 I'll try to do that. 117 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:31,760 - OK, brother. - All right. Bye-bye. 118 00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:32,440 Bye-bye. 119 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,880 (tape stops) 120 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:39,840 I think there were 15,000 people living in Roswell, and 7,000 of them were 121 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:40,840 out at the base. 122 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,200 It was a huge benefit to the community. 123 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:45,560 Now, Roswell was probably one of the most 124 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,040 patriotic towns in the whole United States. 125 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,720 They saved every tin can around. 126 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,560 They scraped the tin foil off of gum wrappers. 127 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,000 They saved the string. 128 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,760 We turned everything in for the war effort. 129 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,720 And even two years afterwards, we were still doing it. 130 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,800 (dramatic music) 131 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:19,840 (dramatic music) 132 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:21,960 The sequence of events, as I've been able 133 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,600 to establish them in my mind, is you've 134 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:29,200 got radar sightings taking place early in July, 1st, 2nd, 3rd of July. 135 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,920 You've got people watching this thing with great interest. 136 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,080 I mean, here we are over the site where the atomic bomb was detonated in 1945. 137 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,160 Atomic research still continues. 138 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,800 The 509th bomb group and rockets being launched from Alamogordo. 139 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,760 So it's an area of high interest, especially to a space traveling race. 140 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,680 Friday, July 4th, the object disappears from the scopes. 141 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,880 There's reason to suspect it's down. 142 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,760 The next morning, we've got an archaeology team out there. 143 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:01,560 We also have a man and a woman. 144 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,280 This story now begins like every science fiction movie you've ever seen. 145 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:06,960 I've got a couple out in the desert. 146 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,440 She's married. He's not. They're not supposed to be there. 147 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,200 The thing roars overhead and slams into the ground. 148 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,200 They look at it the night before, but 149 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840 they're so drunk, they don't do anything about it. 150 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,820 The next morning, they sneak back to see what's going on. 151 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,240 About the time, the archaeology team shows up. 152 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,560 The archaeologists send someone back to call the sheriff. 153 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,520 Sheriff alerts the 509th bomb group. 154 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,520 We've got trucks coming in on the morning of July 5th. 155 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,280 A military cordon going up around the area here close to Roswell. 156 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:36,840 And this is what's critical. 157 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,400 Why do you put up guards on the roads right off Highway 285 just north of 158 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,280 town if all you've got is the debris field some 75 miles northwest? 159 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:49,400 You don't need to do that. 160 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,280 If the craft impacts much closer to Roswell, 161 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,960 then the guards make perfect sense. 162 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,760 You want to keep people out of the area. 163 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,400 The team picks up the bodies at that location. 164 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,360 They're brought back to Hangar 84. 165 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,920 The debris is brought back to this area. 166 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,200 It's transported out on the night of July 5th. 167 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,760 The next day, they're sitting around congratulating themselves. 168 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:11,720 Aren't we bright? 169 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,960 We got this thing contained. 170 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Nobody knows what's happened. 171 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,120 Mack Brazel shows up at the sheriff's office with a box full of the debris. 172 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,680 Clearly, this is something else. 173 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,760 (dramatic music) 174 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,080 (dramatic music) 175 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,160 My name is Frankie Rowe, R-O-W-E. 176 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,334 Um, I know you've probably told this story 177 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,680 a million times, but if you could tell 178 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,360 it as fresh as possible for our audience, that would be great. 179 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,760 Just tell me what happened when your dad came home that day. 180 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,000 The very first time that I heard about this at all. 181 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:13,880 Okay. 182 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:15,534 Daddy came home from work. 183 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,174 (dramatic music) 184 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:24,760 They worked shifts of a type that they would be on duty maybe 24 hours or 185 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,280 36 hours and then off 8 or 12, like that. 186 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,520 So we hadn't seen him for a time. 187 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,400 And he got home that evening and he came in so excited. 188 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,920 And I was in the kitchen with mother. 189 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,120 And he asked mother, he said, I've got something I want to tell everybody. 190 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,200 Get everybody in here. 191 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,560 And she said, we're cooking supper right now. 192 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,760 And he said, well, how long is it going to be? 193 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,080 Because I've got to talk to everybody. 194 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,720 And it was just my mother and myself and the three younger kids at home. 195 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,200 And my other sister was working. 196 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,280 So we hurried and we got it on the table and called the kids in. 197 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:10,840 And he started telling us that they had gone on a call of what they thought 198 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,480 was going to be a plane crash north of Roswell. 199 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,760 And he said they got called out to Blackwater Draw. 200 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:25,320 And when they got out there, what they saw was not a plane that was our 201 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,840 plane, but he said it was a flying craft from somewhere else. 202 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,134 (dramatic music) 203 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,040 Well, we didn't ask questions, but mother asked all the questions. 204 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,040 And we were just listening. 205 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,440 And she started, what do you mean somewhere else? 206 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,840 And he said, it's not an airplane. 207 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,560 He said, it's not from this world. 208 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,920 Now, here on this map are pinpointed locations 209 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,640 where some 30 saucers have been sighted and are still unexplained. 210 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:58,200 In a following composition, Earth may have been, 211 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,240 and may now be, present in the Earth's atmosphere, strange aerial objects. 212 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,520 Some are of a geometric order. 213 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,480 Others can only be described as brilliant light sources. 214 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:11,560 Their form cannot be determined. 215 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,120 He said the crash was like the flying 216 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,600 saucers that they have talked about, because there'd 217 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,720 been a few comments on the news about flying saucers. 218 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,200 And he said it was one of the flying saucers crashed. 219 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,960 And I don't think really mother believed him at first. 220 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,680 And he said, no, he said, I mean it. 221 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:41,120 We went out there early today, which I don't know what time that was, but early 222 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,120 to him could have meant they left before dark. 223 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,920 And he said when they got there, they could see that there were two bodies 224 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,360 that were laying on the ground outside of this 225 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,320 craft, and that there was one, what he called, little person. 226 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,400 And he said there's one little person that was walking around. 227 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,960 And he said they were still alive. 228 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,400 So she asked him, you know, what do they look like? 229 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:12,720 Do they look like us? 230 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,160 And he said they were very small, about the size of a small 10-year-old child. 231 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:25,440 But the head looked like the little insect that we played with or that we saw 232 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:27,880 around our house called Child of the Earth. 233 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,280 We all knew what that looked like, so nobody asked any questions on that. 234 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:40,440 We assumed that meant that the head was too large for the body, and it had 235 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,360 no hair, and it would have large eyes. 236 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,360 We knew that because that's what the Child of the Earth insect looks like. 237 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,920 He said they looked quite a bit like us. 238 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,080 He said they were a lot smaller than we are. 239 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,560 Because when he said a small 10-year-old 240 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,680 child, I knew he meant smaller than I was. 241 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,000 And I wasn't very big at 12 years old. 242 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,240 I was a little small for my age. 243 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:10,320 (dramatic music) 244 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:20,360 And he said that the other two were dead and that this one that was alive 245 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:21,480 was very sad. 246 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,960 But he emphasized and he kept saying there's no need for us to be afraid. 247 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,560 They're not here to hurt us. 248 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,000 And he said we couldn't help them. 249 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:38,080 And he was more upset over the fact that they couldn't help this little person. 250 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,560 And that's something he really felt badly, that 251 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,240 he couldn't help this one that was alive. 252 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:55,360 He said you could feel the hurt from this little person that was so saddened by 253 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,960 the death of the others with him. 254 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,360 And apparently they hadn't been there but just a few minutes. 255 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,840 And he said the military came up and they made them leave. 256 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,960 (dramatic music) 257 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,280 And so they went back to the fire station. 258 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,400 And he said there had not been a 259 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,160 grass fire, which would have been their purpose for going. 260 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,480 And they thought there could have been if it had been a normal plane crash. 261 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,040 I don't think Mother really wanted to believe it at first. 262 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:36,680 And he talked about how could we be so smug to think that we were the 263 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,400 only ones that God could create. 264 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,520 If he could create this earth, he could create a lot of others too. 265 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,760 So that was just a conversation over dinner that night. 266 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,320 And then there wasn't too much said about it for the next couple of days. 267 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,840 Then I was at the fire station one afternoon because I'd gotten sick. 268 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,400 I had to see the doctor and we only had one vehicle. 269 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,880 So I went back to work with Daddy. 270 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,240 He came home at noon and picked me up on his lunch. 271 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,800 And I had gone to the doctor and was sitting in the kitchen part of the 272 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:17,480 fire station. 273 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,760 And I was eating a glass of ice chips. 274 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,760 And a state policeman came in and he yelled at Daddy. 275 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,920 He said, Hey, Dan, come over here and get all the guys. 276 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,360 I want to show you guys something. 277 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,400 The state policeman reached into his pocket. 278 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,640 And he said, I don't think you guys got to see anything like this the other day. 279 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:44,520 And he pulled his hand out of his pocket and it was closed up. 280 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:52,720 He opened his hand over the table and dropped a piece of material that when it 281 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,040 hit the table, it was all watered up when it left his hand. 282 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,440 And when it hit the table, it spread out like it was water. 283 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:06,000 And they were asking him, you know, how'd you get by with this? 284 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,920 And he said, well, he had helped with some of the pickup of debris. 285 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,440 And he had managed to sneak that one piece in his pocket. 286 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,720 He said, I don't know how long I'll get to keep this before I get caught. 287 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,120 He said, everybody they catch, they're taking away whatever they've got. 288 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:28,200 (dramatic music) 289 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,040 Last count, I had spoken to around four 290 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,120 dozen people who who handled various aspects of the debris. 291 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,600 The most dramatic is the foil-like material 292 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,800 that you could wad up in the ball and let go and it would unfold itself. 293 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,040 A lot of people reported that. 294 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,440 What kind of material did we have in 295 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,160 1947 that would, that had those properties? 296 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,200 There were things like foil backed with cloth 297 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,440 that when you wad it up, it would 298 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,800 tend to unfold itself somewhat, but there were always the signs of creases. 299 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:07,438 And some of the people were very specific. 300 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,880 There was no sign of a crease or a fold in this thing when it was let down. 301 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,240 After a while, they tried to burn it. 302 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,080 They'd almost all of them carried the large, 303 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:20,000 the old-fashioned lighters. 304 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,200 They tried to burn it and they couldn't burn it. 305 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,680 It wouldn't catch on fire and they took 306 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,760 out their pocket knives and they tried to cut it and they couldn't cut it. 307 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:38,974 So they got into a discussion as to how, how bad a force it must have been 308 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,800 to tear this piece of material. 309 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,840 And they talked about, whether it came from 310 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,960 the inside of the ship or the outside or wadding. 311 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,120 Of course, nobody knew where it came from. 312 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,880 And while they were talking, I guess they 313 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,200 all had their chance to play with it for a while and was laying on the table. 314 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:00,480 So I reached over and picked it up 315 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,120 and I played for probably about five minutes. 316 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,040 And I tried everything they had done with the wadding it up. 317 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,280 When you would wad it up in your hand, you couldn't feel it in your hand. 318 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:14,680 You couldn't feel you had anything there. 319 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:21,400 And it would go to a size that was so small that you'd have to look 320 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,160 to see if it was still in your hand. 321 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,760 And then when you drop it, it spread out all over the table. 322 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,760 It made no noise, no sound of any kind. 323 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,240 It was just like, it was nothing. 324 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,040 It was like you were mashing air together. 325 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,280 So it wasn't aluminum foil? 326 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:39,840 Oh, absolutely not. 327 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,960 No, we had scraped aluminum foil off of everything for the war effort. 328 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,520 No, I knew aluminum foil. 329 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,480 No, this definitely wasn't. 330 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,720 I didn't realize the significance of it at the time. 331 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,720 I just knew it was different than anything I'd ever seen before. 332 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:04,200 So I forgot all about it after that. 333 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,494 (satellite static) 334 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,320 Headline edition July 8, 1947. 335 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,680 The Army Air Forces has announced that a 336 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,440 flying disc has been found and is now in the possession of the Army. 337 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,520 Something came down during the first week of 338 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,040 July, 1947, on what's known as the Foster Ranch. 339 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:30,800 A man named Matt Brazel was the foreman 340 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,360 of that ranch, and he was out checking his sheep. 341 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,160 He found all this strange debris. 342 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,360 He brought it by his neighbors the next day. 343 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,840 They suggested he go into the sheriff with it. 344 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,760 He went into Roswell, which was a big journey. 345 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,120 This was about 70 miles north-northwest of Roswell. 346 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:54,200 The sheriff, George Wilcox, called the local air base Roswell Army Airfield. 347 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:58,800 Two officers were dispatched, Jesse Marcel Sr. and 348 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,200 Sheraton Cabot, the CIC officer. 349 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,200 Mack Brazel shows them the debris field. 350 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,760 Clearly, it's just metallic debris. 351 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,600 The question I posed to a number of people, why didn't they react differently? 352 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,598 And the answer has always been, because they knew there was only one. 353 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,360 They knew there was a single craft. 354 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,840 They knew there was a single crash. 355 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,520 They had it all contained. 356 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,320 They took a calculated risk. 357 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,360 Mack Brazel found some of the same stuff, 358 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,080 but they knew it wasn't a craft itself. 359 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,320 They knew it was just debris. 360 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Pieces of debris into the jeep. 361 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,414 By the time he got back to the vicinity 362 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,880 of the air base, it was close to midnight. 363 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,840 He stopped by his house to show his wife and 11-year-old son, Jesse Jr., 364 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,240 this unusual debris. 365 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,800 Well, Jesse Jr. now is an M.D. 366 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:48,640 He's a colonel in the Montana Air National Guard. 367 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,800 He's a helicopter pilot, one of the standing fleet choppers in Vietnam. 368 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,760 Very stable individual. 369 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:05,960 The type of person that is seeking no notoriety, has no axe to grind on this. 370 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:12,920 I think to a great extent, he participates in these things to see if he can 371 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,080 help get the truth out. 372 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,520 I think this is what a bulk of us are doing. 373 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,600 We're not, we have nothing to gain by doing this. 374 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,120 My father was on the intelligence team at 375 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,040 the Roswell Army Airfield, and it was his job to look at what they thought was 376 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:38,040 a crashed aircraft or crashed something out there out of Roswell. 377 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,640 When he came in, he was very excited. 378 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,240 He woke my mother and myself up. 379 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,680 It must have been one or two o 'clock in the morning. 380 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,000 And he wanted us to see what he was bringing in from the field. 381 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,800 He said, this is parts of a flying saucer. 382 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,440 And it was all brought in and spread out on the kitchen floor. 383 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,640 And we just looked at it. 384 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,600 You know, I picked up this particular I -beam and held it up to my upper 385 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,200 left to look at it with the kitchen light reflecting on the inner surface. 386 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,840 And that's when I saw the writing or the symbols of some sort. 387 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,880 I thought at first, this is hieroglyphics or some kind of writing like that. 388 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,840 It certainly looked alien to me. 389 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,880 (dramatic music) 390 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,320 Okay, well, yeah, just tell me what to do. 391 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,840 Because I don't know how much of me you've got in the picture or anything. 392 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,880 This was developed with the help of Jesse Marcel, Jr. and Kent Jeffrey. 393 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:40,440 This is a replica of what was picked up off of the desert by Major Jesse 394 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,960 Marcel back in 1947. 395 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,560 The one I saw was probably greatest three 396 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,400 -eighths of an inch in cross-sectional diameter, 12 to 18 inches long. 397 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,400 Actually, the material that I saw almost resembled 398 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,920 something that could have blown out to the side of the craft, like there was an 399 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,694 in-flight explosion just spreading debris or blowing debris out of the side. 400 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,734 (dramatic music) 401 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,400 There is a debris field. 402 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,800 It's three-quarters of a mile long, 300 403 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,400 feet wide, according to Jesse Marcel, loaded with this metallic debris. 404 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,240 Mack Brazel describes it, the debris being thick 405 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,358 enough the sheep won't cross it. 406 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,398 He's got to drive it around him. 407 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,720 There's clearly a lot of debris. 408 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,720 Bill Brazel talks about a gouge down through 409 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,040 the center, 500 feet long, 10 feet at its widest. 410 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,200 We don't pretend to understand the mechanism of 411 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,760 the shedding of this massive amount of debris 412 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,760 in one area and the craft impacting much closer to Roswell. 413 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,280 It's a much smaller craft, 15 to 20 414 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:42,640 feet wide, maybe 25 feet long, more or less intact. 415 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,280 There seems to be some sort of damage to it. 416 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,160 There was some debris scattered on the impact 417 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,400 site itself, but I don't begin to understand 418 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,120 the mechanism for the shedding of that much 419 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,080 debris in one area and the craft being more or less intact in the other area, 420 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,320 unless there's some kind of an outer shell that it shed, or this was some kind 421 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000 of an escape capsule, and the entire craft 422 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,600 disintegrated, and this is how they attempted to get out. 423 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,760 We just do not understand that, and we have to speculate about it. 424 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,840 (dramatic music) 425 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,520 Something crashed into the desert outside Roswell in 426 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,160 1947, and the ham-fisted fashion in which 427 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,120 the U.S. Air Force handled the incident 428 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,734 convinced a great many people that it was 429 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,280 a flying saucer, and that at least one 430 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:29,440 alien creature was recovered from the crash site. 431 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,320 It is precisely the mixture of religion, science, 432 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,520 superstition, and folklore, intelligence, and ignorance that has 433 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,174 produced among Americans an entire subculture of belief 434 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,160 in extraterrestrial life. 435 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,614 It has gotten old, like anything else. 436 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:55,240 It has become a job, a task, no longer an exciting experience. 437 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,400 (dramatic music) 438 00:24:59,920 --> 00:25:01,840 My name is Walter G. 439 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,720 The G stands for George Haut. 440 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,720 H-A-U-T. 441 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,134 You ought to remember Haut. 442 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:14,200 (dramatic music) 443 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:17,294 I'm not the only one. 444 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,520 There are other people that have been involved 445 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,760 in this that are in the same position. 446 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,920 We're not paid a penny for anything. 447 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,640 The only reason we're doing this is to try and get as much of the truth 448 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,880 out as we can while some of us are still alive. 449 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,440 You got to look at the age group that was out at the base at that time. 450 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,440 So many of the people that have been 451 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,720 doing the legwork, so to speak, were in their 20s. 452 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,054 I was one of them. 453 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,454 (dramatic music) 454 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,600 At the base, I was a crew member, 455 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:01,160 navigator bombardier. 456 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,800 That was my primary duty assignment. 457 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,800 My secondary was as public relations officer for 458 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,880 Roswell Army Airfield and the 509th Bomb Group. 459 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,120 The 509th Bomb Group, incidentally, was a very elite group. 460 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,080 It was the only atomic bomb group in the world at the time. 461 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:28,480 The 509th Bomb Group was originally organized during World War II. 462 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,880 Their mission was to drop the atomic bombs on Japan. 463 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,960 (dramatic music) 464 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,254 We also dropped the bomb on Bikini. 465 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,400 The organization was pretty much of a tight -lipped organization. 466 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,480 By the time you get to Roswell in 467 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,280 1947, it's the only atomic strike force in the world. 468 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:02,920 They're training people to begin other atomic bombing groups in the Air Force. 469 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,160 If you became the commander of the 509th 470 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,000 Bomb Group, you inevitably were promoted out of the job and became a general. 471 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:17,320 It was the premier group in the Air Force in 1947. 472 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,840 Today's edition presents a roundup of the latest 473 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,200 developments in the finding of a flying disc. 474 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,800 I was called to headquarters. 475 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,800 Was given copies of a press release 476 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:35,200 which stated, in essence, that we had in our possession a flying disc. 477 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,200 The army may be getting to the bottom of all this talk about the so-called 478 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,640 flying trumpet, as a matter of fact, the 479 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,920 509th Atomic Bomb Group headquarters at Roswell, New 480 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,680 Mexico, reports that it has received one of 481 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,200 the discs which landed on a ranch outside Roswell. 482 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,680 From what we know, it was shown to William Blanchard in the morning. 483 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,800 About 12 o'clock at noon, a press release was issued by Blanchard. 484 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,080 My father is a 30-year retired Air Force colonel, a World War II fighter ace, 485 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,560 and he knew and worked with William Blanchard in the early 1960s. 486 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,280 And according to my father, Blanchard was no fool. 487 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:23,560 Blanchard was not the kind of man to put out a press release about something so 488 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:29,160 dramatic as a crashed UFO without being absolutely certain he was correct. 489 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,280 In other words, if Blanchard said there was 490 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:35,520 a crashed disc, there was a crashed disc. 491 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,160 Colonel William Blanchard of the Roswell Air Base 492 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,640 refuses to give details of what the flying disc looked like. 493 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,520 The media here was localized media. 494 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,560 You had a radio station of 250 watts. 495 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,080 If you're outside of town, you basically didn't get it. 496 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,240 You had a second radio station of equal size. 497 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,640 You had two newspapers. 498 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080 You could control the media very carefully. 499 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,720 It strikes me as odd in today's environment 500 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:08,120 to hear a radio station owner tell me that the FCC would call and say, if 501 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,558 you broadcast the story, you will lose your 502 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,880 license, and they don't tell the FCC to 503 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,840 go play with themselves and broadcast the story anyway. 504 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,120 They suppressed the story, and they were able to suppress the story. 505 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,118 They were able to do what they needed to do to suppress it. 506 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,320 This was a military town in 1947. 507 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,200 Then we have the military moving in, cleaning all of that material up. 508 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,000 Walter Haught issues his press release saying we've got a flying saucer. 509 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,560 I was told to hand deliver to the foreign 510 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,960 news media we had in town at that time. 511 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,680 We had two radio stations and two newspapers. 512 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 After I had lunch, I went back out to the base. 513 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,440 First phone call that I got when I got back to the office, a fellow from 514 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,520 London, England. 515 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:02,440 His interest was why did we put out the press release in the manner we did, 516 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,840 and how did Major Marcel know how to fly this object? 517 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,080 I had to explain to him that the press release was put out on the orders 518 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,000 of the base commander, number one, and number 519 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,240 two, Major Marcel did not fly this object. 520 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,560 He took this material and put it on 521 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,600 an aeroplane, and the aeroplane was flown forward. 522 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,680 (dramatic music) 523 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,040 The phone rang and rang and rang and 524 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,640 rang until I would guess somewhere around 4 525 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,600 .30 as I got home, somewhere around 5 o’clock. 526 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,920 That was the end of it. 527 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,160 The next morning when I went out and 528 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,494 picked up the newspaper, said that headline that 529 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,640 General Ramey emptied our saucer. 530 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,920 The story was done. 531 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:06,840 (camera flashes) (dramatic music) 532 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,497 Ramey says that so far as can be determined, 533 00:31:12,563 --> 00:31:14,614 no one saw the object in the air, 534 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,160 and he describes it as being made of some sort of tin foil. 535 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,720 That was aluminium foil or a foil of some kind. 536 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,400 It is not the material just so that 537 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,840 the material that he brought into Ramey's office 538 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,920 is not what he was photographed with. 539 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,200 That was more of the cover-up. 540 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,360 I believe he said I didn't want to be a liar about this, but I was 541 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,120 told this is what you're going to do. 542 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680 When the general tells you, you did it. 543 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,360 Simple. 544 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,000 Jesse Marcel in fact told a number of people that it was a weather balloon. 545 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,040 When he was shown the picture in the book, he said that's not the stuff I 546 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:58,800 brought home. 547 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,920 You know, when he came back from Carswell, 548 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,760 after flying the debris, he did tell me 549 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,520 not to talk about this, tell my mother not to talk about this. 550 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,600 This is a non-event. 551 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,840 Play like it never happened. 552 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,600 Don't even talk about this with your friends, which I didn't. 553 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,734 And, uh, years later, he confided that he was actually 554 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,814 part of the cover-up because he went along with the Air Force explanation, 555 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,560 even though he knew full well that that was not true. 556 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,760 What do you think about the weather balloon story? 557 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,320 I think it's been a lie from the beginning, 558 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,280 but they have to cover up some way. 559 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,480 There was no weather balloon. 560 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,280 My dad would not have gotten excited over a weather balloon. 561 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,800 He was not easily excitable, and this is 562 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,080 the most thrilled I'd ever seen him in my life. 563 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,120 He thought that was the most fantastic thing in the world. 564 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,760 When the government said it was not a 565 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640 flying saucer, there were no space people here, 566 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,960 it was a weather balloon, the people in 567 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,560 Roswell said, okay, it's a weather balloon. 568 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,200 Roswell seems to be the first event like 569 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,240 this because they were simply not prepared. 570 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,960 So we've got a lot of interest in this area. 571 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,520 The lid is slowly being shut down, and it's absolutely brilliant what they did. 572 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,960 They announced they have a flying saucer, but they've already captured it. 573 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,040 They've already got it. 574 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,080 There's nothing to see, so nobody goes out looking for the thing. 575 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,080 Then they shift everything to Fort Worth. 576 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400 The higher headquarters says, no, no, those guys made a mistake. 577 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,680 It was just a weather balloon. 578 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,360 The press can't find Jesse Marcel because he's 579 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,400 in Fort Worth and he's been silenced. 580 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,200 They can't find Mack Brazzo because he's held 581 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,920 at the guest house here at the base. 582 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,560 All the people they can find General Ramey. 583 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,200 General Ramey is saying it's a weather balloon. 584 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,920 Colonel Blanchard suddenly goes on leave on Tuesday. 585 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,120 So you can't get a hold of anybody. 586 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000 Blanchard's gone, Marcel's gone, the rancher's gone. 587 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,640 All you can get are official spokesmen saying, yeah, it's a weather balloon. 588 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,040 Press has got nowhere to go. 589 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,880 The story dies at that point. 590 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,760 Nothing to go on. 591 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,320 And everybody forgets about it until Jesse Marcel 592 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,560 says, I picked up pieces of a flying saucer. 593 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,734 So other than those people that had any 594 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:24,374 immediate access to the material and handled it or saw it, the story was over. 595 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,440 We'd made a mistake. 596 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,840 Fear will do a lot of things. 597 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,680 And that was fear. 598 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:47,040 In 1947, it was much easier to intimidate a child than it is in today's world. 599 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,880 We were not exposed to things like TV, 600 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,560 and we didn't have a TV in 1947. 601 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,280 And it was just, we were a very patriotic town. 602 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,840 If we were told you don't do something 603 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040 for government safety, the safety of your country, we didn't do it. 604 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,120 (dramatic music) 605 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,800 I'm not sure what the time span was, 606 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,280 maybe three days, maybe four, could have been less, could have been more. 607 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,720 I was at home, and the car came driving up the driveway, and we had a 608 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,800 pretty long driveway. 609 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,000 It was a military car. 610 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,240 And mother and I walked to the door. 611 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,200 They knocked on the door, and I answered 612 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,560 the door, and mother was beside me, and he 613 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,400 told mother who he was, 614 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:54,920 and that he wanted to talk to the girl that had been there at the fire station. 615 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,000 And so she told him it was me. 616 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:06,080 So he came in, and we started to sit down in the living room, and he 617 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,240 said, no, I want you to go in there in the dining room. 618 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080 You could see the dining room from the living room there. 619 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,640 He told mother to sit at the end of the table, and he told me to 620 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720 sit at the side. 621 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,800 He positioned himself across the table, and he 622 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,800 told us to sit down, and he stood. 623 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,120 And he said, I understand you were at the fire station the other day. 624 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,880 And I told him, yes, I was. 625 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,400 And he started out by saying, I want 626 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,280 you to understand that you were never there. 627 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,800 And I didn't understand what he meant, because 628 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,880 this was kind of not a way of talking that we were accustomed to. 629 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,640 And I said, yes, I was there. 630 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,640 And he said, no, you weren't. 631 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,400 And I said, yeah, I was there. 632 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:09,680 And he had mentioned at first that he wanted to see the one who had seen 633 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,240 the piece of material that they had been handling down at the station. 634 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,240 And I said, yes, I did handle it. 635 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,280 And he started emphasizing, no, you didn't. 636 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,360 Well, my mother was pretty strict, and we didn't lie. 637 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,120 So I'm insistent that, yes, I saw it. 638 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,200 Yes, I held it. 639 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,440 And he got mad, and he was, the more I insisted I had seen it. 640 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,640 He didn't just come out and say, this 641 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:41,800 is not something you're going to be allowed to talk about. 642 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,240 He was trying to get it through my head that I never saw it. 643 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:48,168 And he got louder, 644 00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:55,094 and he had one of those, looks like a small baseball bat 645 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,934 that hooks on the side of your belt. 646 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,534 And he took that out, and he's holding it, and he starts beating his hand. 647 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640 Every time he said something, he would hit that on his hand. 648 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,640 And he would say, I want you to understand, 649 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,960 you were never there. 650 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,680 You did not see anything. 651 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,080 You did not hear a conversation. 652 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,400 And he said, if you can't understand this, 653 00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,000 there are things that we can do. 654 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,920 He asked Mother, he said, can she keep a secret? 655 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,160 And Mother said, yes. 656 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,480 She said, just tell her what you want her to do. 657 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,520 And he said, well, first of all, you've got to understand that 658 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,480 if you ever talk about this the rest of your life, 659 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,120 he said, there are things that we can do, and we'll do them now. 660 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,040 We can take all of you kids. 661 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,680 We will take you either to Orchard Park or to Artesia. 662 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,840 Orchard Park was a German POW camp during World War II. 663 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,280 And Artesia was a Japanese POW camp. 664 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,040 And he said, but we don't have to do that. 665 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,640 We don't even have to let you live. 666 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,200 He said, we'd put you in one. 667 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,120 We'd put your parents in the other one. 668 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,120 But we don't have to do that. 669 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,920 He said, we could take you out here in the middle of this desert. 670 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,840 He said, no one will ever find your bodies, ever. 671 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,880 No one will ever know what happened to you. 672 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,000 And so he said, the only way I'm going to let you stay around or live 673 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,960 is if you promise you'll never talk about this the rest of your life. 674 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,120 So I told him I wouldn't. 675 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,520 But that really was pretty much all that 676 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,520 was involved. 677 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:46,160 He was probably there at the house, maybe 45 minutes to an hour. 678 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,240 Mother sent me into the bedroom, and I don't know what he had to say to 679 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,320 her afterwards. 680 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,160 One of the other military police that was 681 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,240 with him stayed in the backyard with the 682 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,320 younger kids so they didn't come in the house while he was there. 683 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:07,214 And I never discussed it again until recently. 684 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,934 (dramatic music) 685 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000 And I'm sorry. 686 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,400 Someday I will get over it. 687 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,640 I haven't yet. 688 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,480 Your mother must have had a hard time explaining to you. 689 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,840 Obviously, you were raised to be honest. 690 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,120 She never talked to us about it, never. 691 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,640 It was never mentioned again. 692 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,920 From the time you came walking out of your bedroom? 693 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,014 From the time I went to the bedroom 694 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,080 until the day she died, we never mentioned it. 695 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,800 There was no conversation. 696 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,920 What would you have thought? 697 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,360 I never talked to him about it either. 698 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,280 I'm sure they must have talked to him down at the station. 699 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,320 He must have been a good talker. 700 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,840 I imagine he did. 701 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,560 Excuse me just a moment. 702 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,240 That’s okay, that’s okay. 703 00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,280 Don’t you want a drink or something? 704 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,840 No, I just wish this whole thing would go away. 705 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,760 It just, it doesn't go away. 706 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,840 (dramatic music) 707 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,280 And it doesn't get any easier because every 708 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:23,960 time that I tell somebody about it, I feel like I'm 12 years old again. 709 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,920 I can see the guy standing there, 710 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,520 his sunglasses on, and he never took his hat off. 711 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,360 He never took his sunglasses off, beating his 712 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920 hand with that stick and dragging this. 713 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,880 And at the time he did it, it was okay. 714 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,680 Because we'd been through the war, we understood. 715 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,040 And I didn't realize it was intimidation. 716 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,160 I had no idea what it was until 717 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,920 probably the last five years, actually, 718 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,400 because I never talked about it again. 719 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,960 I never mentioned it to anybody. 720 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,720 When this all came out and my kids 721 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080 found out about it, they were really upset with me 722 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,880 because I never told them about it. 723 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,480 My husband, who was very upset with me 724 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,560 about it too, because I never told him about it. 725 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,960 And what was it that made you finally tell him? 726 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,360 Kevin Randall. 727 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,480 If we had Frankie Rowe's story stand alone, I would be bothered by it. 728 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,680 A 12-year-old girl who meets with 729 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,160 military officers can certainly misconstrue what they're trying to tell her, 730 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:43,400 especially the way that they arrived at her house. 731 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,280 We know the event took place because her sister corroborates it. 732 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,920 Her sister corroborates her father's involvement. 733 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480 We have affidavits on that. 734 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,560 So, yeah, I believe Frankie Rowe's story. 735 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,800 I think that they did visit her and 736 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,720 they did suggest the things she says they suggest. 737 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,480 And I believe that because we know that 738 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,400 others were intimidated in similar fashions. 739 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,320 We have the military people telling us they were sworn to secrecy. 740 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,680 All of this going on around it. 741 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,280 So Frankie Rowe is not standalone. 742 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,560 There's corroborative testimony that suggests somebody was putting 743 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,760 pressure on people to silence them, and they 744 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,280 used what means were necessary to keep those people silent. 745 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,920 With the military people, it was merely the 746 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,400 threat of imprisonment and going to jail because they understood that. 747 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,200 With some of the civilians, they were told 748 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,360 that if you ever talk about it, you will be killed. 749 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,440 One of the people, I forgot, Sheriff Wilcox, 750 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,080 his family was told the same thing, that if he talked about it, not only would 751 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,320 he be killed, his wife would be killed, and his daughters would be killed. 752 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,120 The whole family would be wiped out. 753 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:45,440 That comes from Sheriff Wilcox's granddaughter, Barbara Dugger, 754 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,000 who heard the story from her grandmother. 755 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,080 So we have a wide range of testimonies 756 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,160 from various individuals telling us of the pressures 757 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:55,840 that were placed on them to keep them silent. 758 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,440 And I think they used the technique that 759 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,800 was best for that specific group of individuals. 760 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:04,880 (dramatic music) 761 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,200 The material that was found out on the 762 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,920 debris field was secondary to the crash of 763 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,480 the actual object on the night of the 4th of July. 764 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,640 I have heard secondhand that there were alien bodies. 765 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,760 My mother had a friend. 766 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,800 I told you, she and I never talked about it again. 767 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,960 She had a lady that would come out 768 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,480 and visit with her occasionally, and this woman's 769 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,320 husband was working out at the base. 770 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,640 He was a painter contracting to the government, 771 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:46,880 and he was painting in the base hospital 772 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,160 the day they brought them in, and he saw the one walking in. 773 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,160 And I heard mother and Yulimay talking 774 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,560 about Herbert seeing the one that walked in, 775 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,400 and that they brought others in on stretchers. 776 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:11,320 And mother said to Yulimay, did Herbert tell you what the face looks like? 777 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,200 Because Dan said it looked like the child of the earth. 778 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,640 And Yulimay said that's what Herbert said. 779 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,600 And of course, they put them in this side room, but a bunch of guys are 780 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,360 not going to just stand there, you know. 781 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,520 They're going to peek if they possibly can. 782 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,040 And they looked. 783 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,280 And I'm sure that probably mother and Yulimay 784 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,160 and maybe daddy and Herbert, and maybe there 785 00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,320 was more discussion than I know about, but not in my presence. 786 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,880 It's the only reference I ever heard her make about that. 787 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,640 But I think that was done before they 788 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,880 came out to the house. 789 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,934 Because after they came out to the house, I never heard another comment. 790 00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:00,000 (dramatic music) 791 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,734 (dramatic music) 792 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,320 The U.S. Air Force is about to tell us what it says happened. 793 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:18,834 We're going over to the Pentagon now, where 794 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,760 Colonel John Haynes of the U.S. Air Force will tell us what happened. 795 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,840 For some bizarre reason, the Air Force, which 796 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,000 whenever you queried it about UFOs, said we have no interest in UFOs. 797 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,280 If you feel threatened by them, contact the local law enforcement. 798 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,160 Decided they were going to reinvestigate the Roswell case. 799 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,840 The conclusion of the first report left no 800 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,920 doubt that what was recovered near Roswell, New 801 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,960 Mexico in July 1947 was debris from a 802 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,120 formerly top secret Army Air Forces research project 803 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,720 codenamed Mogul. 804 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,960 In 1947, they told us it was a balloon with a ray wind target attached to it. 805 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,080 They then looked at their documentation and said, 806 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,400 well, we told a little white lie in 1947. 807 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,520 Instead of just being a normal meteorological balloon, 808 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,720 it was part of the array train for 809 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,960 what was then classified, the classified project, Project Mogul. 810 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,080 Mogul was an attempt to acoustically detect Soviet 811 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,480 nuclear blasts and ballistic missile launches. 812 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,560 The Air Force said that that explains it. 813 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,040 It's a highly classified project. 814 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,720 The people at Roswell wouldn't have recognized the balloon. 815 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:22,920 That's why it was covered up. 816 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,280 We didn't want the people to get back to Project Mogul. 817 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,720 Where this falls down is they have no 818 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,400 documentation to prove what was picked up at 819 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,160 Roswell was a Project Mogul balloon. 820 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,760 The people at Roswell, Jesse Marcel, for example, 821 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,560 the air intelligence officer was part of Operations Crossroads. 822 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,720 And we're told that the ray wind targets 823 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,574 in the meteorological balloons were used as part of the atomic testing. 824 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,680 So he should have been familiar with the balloons. 825 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,520 So you've got a situation where they're saying 826 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,334 these guys with their fingers on the triggers, 827 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,000 if you will, can't identify a balloon and 828 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,320 are so hysterically possessed that they claim it's a flying saucer. 829 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,734 They didn't review the tapes of the counterintelligence 830 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,040 NCOIC at the base who saw the debris and commented on it. 831 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,720 They didn't review the tapes of Major Edwin 832 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,720 Easley, who told me that he couldn't talk 833 00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,640 about it because it was still classified. 834 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:15,680 Forty seven years later, told me a number 835 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,920 of times in our first conversation, I can't talk about it. 836 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,320 I was sworn to secrecy. 837 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,760 They didn't even talk to Brigadier General Arthur 838 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,040 Exxon, who reported that he flew over the 839 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,000 two sites, two distinct sites and reports the gouge. 840 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,240 A balloon will not leave a gouge. 841 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,440 So they didn't talk to the people I would think were key people. 842 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,798 Instead, they talked to the people that are 843 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,198 going to lead them directly to the Project 844 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,720 Mogul explanation and let it go at that. 845 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,520 They say this was a top secret project, implying there was special equipment. 846 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,040 It's a neoprene balloon and Raywin targets. 847 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,240 Raywin targets had been used for 20 years. 848 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,520 At first, they were used because they reflected 849 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,920 the sun and they could track them visually much easier. 850 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,680 Now they they were adapted to radar use. 851 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,040 Irving Newton said they launched literally hundreds of 852 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,240 them during the invasion of Okinawa. 853 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,280 There's nothing special about these balloons, nothing at all. 854 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,200 And we're but by placing with Project Mogul, 855 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,880 we're implying that there was something unusual about 856 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,840 these balloons, that there was something that would 857 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:12,400 keep these people from identifying. 858 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,640 But there wasn't. 859 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,480 This is in reference to Charles Moore, who 860 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,720 was the project engineer on Mogul with respect 861 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,120 to the neoprene rubber used on those meteorological balloons. 862 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,654 And they were standard meteorological balloons. 863 00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:30,960 The idea that the Mogul array was something 864 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,200 special or out of the ordinary is an illusion. 865 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,774 But Moore explained to me the type of rubber, how thin it was. 866 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,640 He actually compared it to a giant condom. 867 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,120 He said it was very thin and that's what it looked like. 868 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,400 And my response to that was, well, if 869 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,414 that's the type of material that this resembled, 870 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,720 it certainly isn't anything that would have fooled 871 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,640 any members of the United States Armed Forces. 872 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,200 Therefore, this was not a Mogul balloon. 873 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,040 (dramatic music) 874 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,014 I don't know that the Air Force has ever explained what took them so long 875 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:19,320 to say this is the explanation, if this is the explanation. 876 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,534 When I sent the first request to the 877 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,854 Secretary of Defense for a response about the 878 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,694 Roswell incident in view of the fact that 879 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,014 there were these accusations, essentially of a government 880 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,600 cover-up, the response I got was a very terse letter that said in about a 881 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,494 sentence or two from the Air Force, 882 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,280 we referred your letter to the National Archives. 883 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,240 That's all it said. 884 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,080 The National Archives then said we don't have 885 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,200 any information about the Roswell incident, which I 886 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,080 was convinced the Defense Department had to know 887 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,960 before they were sending me there. 888 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,280 So in other words, I thought I was getting the runaround. 889 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,774 They believe that the records, in fact, were 890 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,120 destroyed more than four decades ago. 891 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,520 So there's not an individual on the job now we can just call up and say, 892 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,360 what happened to these records? 893 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,080 And so the GAO has simply no further 894 00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,200 recommendations or ideas on how to go farther. 895 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,120 The only records we're talking about being destroyed 896 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,760 are communications from Roswell Army Airfield, 509th, only 897 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,080 atomic bombing group in the world, out, out, moving messages. 898 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,560 How about the analysis of the materials? 899 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,240 How about the autopsy reports? 900 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,960 How about the eyewitness testimony from those who 901 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,920 stood guard, those who carried it, those who 902 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,720 tested at various government labs? 903 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,320 There ought to be a ton of other paper. 904 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,440 What happened to this? 905 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,720 What happened to the one that was alive? 906 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,760 I'm positive that there's information being withheld from 907 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,440 the public domain concerning the Roswell event. 908 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,520 (dramatic music) 909 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:53,840 There are a lot of things that our government hides. 910 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,934 And it isn’t right, they shouldn't. 911 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,614 (dramatic music) 912 00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,854 They especially shouldn't do it to a town 913 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:08,120 like Roswell that was so supportive of every single thing that they did. 914 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,000 The story is going to end one of these days because there's nobody going to be 915 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,920 able to refute it or say anything about it. 916 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:23,000 (dramatic music)