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Excuse me just a moment.
That’s okay, that’s okay.
Don’t you want a drink or something?
No, I just wish this whole thing could go away.
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It doesn’t go away.
Most certainly the people who have this information
for the most part would love to share it with their loved ones, to share it
with their grandchildren, to share it with humanity in general.
We're not paid a penny for anything.
I'm hoping that they will someday release the information.
It's information of such great consequence that it's
something that should be shared by all humanity.
It's not something that should be limited to
a privileged few within the United States government.
The only reason we're doing this is to try and get as much of the truth
out as we can while some of us are still alive.
Well now, Doctor, could they be hallucinations or
some other misrepresented objects?
They could, but I am firmly convinced that
such an explanation is not valid for all of them.
Might be in few cases, but they are
still remaining a solid block of very reliable,
good observations which cannot be explained by such means.
I think we are entitled to know what's happening in this world.
We live in it.
It's our world.
Headline edition July 8, 1947.
It's getting to be a long lost story.
It's not going to be too long before
there's not going to be anybody left that was alive in 1947.
The Army Air Forces has announced that a
flying disc has been found and is now in the possession of the Army.
I just think that you're nuts if you talk about it, so.
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And I don't just generally talk about it,
you know, to anybody unless somebody calls and
asks me to tell them what happened.
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It's not a source of conversation over coffee.
If I didn't think the government was withholding
information on the overall situation, I wouldn't be
sitting here being interviewed for one thing.
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And it doesn't get any easier because every time
that I tell somebody about it, I feel like I'm 12 years old again.
They might regularly land outside on oceans or
in uninhabited parts of countries, but they might
also not be ready to tell us.
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- Okay. - Well, well, I finally got back home.
Well, you took too long.
Well, I'm tired.
I'm happy to be back home, I guarantee you.
It's part of our deal.
Spent all day looking for a ranch where we found this stuff.
We finally located it because it's too late
to take pictures, so we had to drive all the way back into the hospital.
I tell you, I enjoyed going out there, but it's too hard on them.
So I'm getting too old for that kind of stuff.
Well, you can say that.
Yeah, but I got to the point where I couldn't even walk.
I mean, it's tiring.
We had trouble finding a place to begin with.
We searched the whole day for the place.
But when I saw the place, I recognized it.
Oh, yeah, that's good.
So the house where Mr. Brazzere used to
live, they renovated the whole thing.
It's a boat.
(incoherent)
He took over the grass.
And he was very helpful.
He took us right to the spot.
And he knew exactly where it was.
So we were lucky to get this stuff.
And I walked over the entire area.
What happened?
But I didn't recognize the exact spot.
Oh, yeah.
I took him to the exact spot where it took the stuff.
There wasn't any debris out there?
Oh, no.
Lord, I tell you, exactly.
I don't know.
There's nothing here.
Roswell right now is composed mostly of retirees.
It's a beautiful, beautiful sight.
There's the illumination on the place.
But I really enjoyed that.
So my trip was worthwhile anyway.
Well, I'm glad.
I'm very happy about it.
Well, son. It makes me feel better, too.
I tell you, I'd love to live there again.
Well, I would, too, you know.
And I spent quite a bit of time at Walter's house, too.
I went to his art store.
We had dinner together on Tuesday night and Wednesday night.
So everything went OK.
I had a big time.
It sure sounds like it.
I'm very, very happy for you.
It makes me feel better.
It takes me down out of my loneliness.
Lord, I'm telling you.
Well, son, I'm going to let you go now.
- OK, Daniel. - Look, I'll give you a call next week.
OK, fine.
Keep your chin up and have as much fun as you can.
All I think you do.
I'll try to do that.
- OK, brother. - All right. Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
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I think there were 15,000 people living in Roswell, and 7,000 of them were
out at the base.
It was a huge benefit to the community.
Now, Roswell was probably one of the most
patriotic towns in the whole United States.
They saved every tin can around.
They scraped the tin foil off of gum wrappers.
They saved the string.
We turned everything in for the war effort.
And even two years afterwards, we were still doing it.
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The sequence of events, as I've been able
to establish them in my mind, is you've
got radar sightings taking place early in July, 1st, 2nd, 3rd of July.
You've got people watching this thing with great interest.
I mean, here we are over the site where the atomic bomb was detonated in 1945.
Atomic research still continues.
The 509th bomb group and rockets being launched from Alamogordo.
So it's an area of high interest, especially to a space traveling race.
Friday, July 4th, the object disappears from the scopes.
There's reason to suspect it's down.
The next morning, we've got an archaeology team out there.
We also have a man and a woman.
This story now begins like every science fiction movie you've ever seen.
I've got a couple out in the desert.
She's married. He's not. They're not supposed to be there.
The thing roars overhead and slams into the ground.
They look at it the night before, but
they're so drunk, they don't do anything about it.
The next morning, they sneak back to see what's going on.
About the time, the archaeology team shows up.
The archaeologists send someone back to call the sheriff.
Sheriff alerts the 509th bomb group.
We've got trucks coming in on the morning of July 5th.
A military cordon going up around the area here close to Roswell.
And this is what's critical.
Why do you put up guards on the roads right off Highway 285 just north of
town if all you've got is the debris field some 75 miles northwest?
You don't need to do that.
If the craft impacts much closer to Roswell,
then the guards make perfect sense.
You want to keep people out of the area.
The team picks up the bodies at that location.
They're brought back to Hangar 84.
The debris is brought back to this area.
It's transported out on the night of July 5th.
The next day, they're sitting around congratulating themselves.
Aren't we bright?
We got this thing contained.
Nobody knows what's happened.
Mack Brazel shows up at the sheriff's office with a box full of the debris.
Clearly, this is something else.
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My name is Frankie Rowe, R-O-W-E.
Um, I know you've probably told this story
a million times, but if you could tell
it as fresh as possible for our audience, that would be great.
Just tell me what happened when your dad came home that day.
The very first time that I heard about this at all.
Okay.
Daddy came home from work.
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They worked shifts of a type that they would be on duty maybe 24 hours or
36 hours and then off 8 or 12, like that.
So we hadn't seen him for a time.
And he got home that evening and he came in so excited.
And I was in the kitchen with mother.
And he asked mother, he said, I've got something I want to tell everybody.
Get everybody in here.
And she said, we're cooking supper right now.
And he said, well, how long is it going to be?
Because I've got to talk to everybody.
And it was just my mother and myself and the three younger kids at home.
And my other sister was working.
So we hurried and we got it on the table and called the kids in.
And he started telling us that they had gone on a call of what they thought
was going to be a plane crash north of Roswell.
And he said they got called out to Blackwater Draw.
And when they got out there, what they saw was not a plane that was our
plane, but he said it was a flying craft from somewhere else.
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Well, we didn't ask questions, but mother asked all the questions.
And we were just listening.
And she started, what do you mean somewhere else?
And he said, it's not an airplane.
He said, it's not from this world.
Now, here on this map are pinpointed locations
where some 30 saucers have been sighted and are still unexplained.
In a following composition, Earth may have been,
and may now be, present in the Earth's atmosphere, strange aerial objects.
Some are of a geometric order.
Others can only be described as brilliant light sources.
Their form cannot be determined.
He said the crash was like the flying
saucers that they have talked about, because there'd
been a few comments on the news about flying saucers.
And he said it was one of the flying saucers crashed.
And I don't think really mother believed him at first.
And he said, no, he said, I mean it.
We went out there early today, which I don't know what time that was, but early
to him could have meant they left before dark.
And he said when they got there, they could see that there were two bodies
that were laying on the ground outside of this
craft, and that there was one, what he called, little person.
And he said there's one little person that was walking around.
And he said they were still alive.
So she asked him, you know, what do they look like?
Do they look like us?
And he said they were very small, about the size of a small 10-year-old child.
But the head looked like the little insect that we played with or that we saw
around our house called Child of the Earth.
We all knew what that looked like, so nobody asked any questions on that.
We assumed that meant that the head was too large for the body, and it had
no hair, and it would have large eyes.
We knew that because that's what the Child of the Earth insect looks like.
He said they looked quite a bit like us.
He said they were a lot smaller than we are.
Because when he said a small 10-year-old
child, I knew he meant smaller than I was.
And I wasn't very big at 12 years old.
I was a little small for my age.
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And he said that the other two were dead and that this one that was alive
was very sad.
But he emphasized and he kept saying there's no need for us to be afraid.
They're not here to hurt us.
And he said we couldn't help them.
And he was more upset over the fact that they couldn't help this little person.
And that's something he really felt badly, that
he couldn't help this one that was alive.
He said you could feel the hurt from this little person that was so saddened by
the death of the others with him.
And apparently they hadn't been there but just a few minutes.
And he said the military came up and they made them leave.
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And so they went back to the fire station.
And he said there had not been a
grass fire, which would have been their purpose for going.
And they thought there could have been if it had been a normal plane crash.
I don't think Mother really wanted to believe it at first.
And he talked about how could we be so smug to think that we were the
only ones that God could create.
If he could create this earth, he could create a lot of others too.
So that was just a conversation over dinner that night.
And then there wasn't too much said about it for the next couple of days.
Then I was at the fire station one afternoon because I'd gotten sick.
I had to see the doctor and we only had one vehicle.
So I went back to work with Daddy.
He came home at noon and picked me up on his lunch.
And I had gone to the doctor and was sitting in the kitchen part of the
fire station.
And I was eating a glass of ice chips.
And a state policeman came in and he yelled at Daddy.
He said, Hey, Dan, come over here and get all the guys.
I want to show you guys something.
The state policeman reached into his pocket.
And he said, I don't think you guys got to see anything like this the other day.
And he pulled his hand out of his pocket and it was closed up.
He opened his hand over the table and dropped a piece of material that when it
hit the table, it was all watered up when it left his hand.
And when it hit the table, it spread out like it was water.
And they were asking him, you know, how'd you get by with this?
And he said, well, he had helped with some of the pickup of debris.
And he had managed to sneak that one piece in his pocket.
He said, I don't know how long I'll get to keep this before I get caught.
He said, everybody they catch, they're taking away whatever they've got.
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Last count, I had spoken to around four
dozen people who who handled various aspects of the debris.
The most dramatic is the foil-like material
that you could wad up in the ball and let go and it would unfold itself.
A lot of people reported that.
What kind of material did we have in
1947 that would, that had those properties?
There were things like foil backed with cloth
that when you wad it up, it would
tend to unfold itself somewhat, but there were always the signs of creases.
And some of the people were very specific.
There was no sign of a crease or a fold in this thing when it was let down.
After a while, they tried to burn it.
They'd almost all of them carried the large,
the old-fashioned lighters.
They tried to burn it and they couldn't burn it.
It wouldn't catch on fire and they took
out their pocket knives and they tried to cut it and they couldn't cut it.
So they got into a discussion as to how, how bad a force it must have been
to tear this piece of material.
And they talked about, whether it came from
the inside of the ship or the outside or wadding.
Of course, nobody knew where it came from.
And while they were talking, I guess they
all had their chance to play with it for a while and was laying on the table.
So I reached over and picked it up
and I played for probably about five minutes.
And I tried everything they had done with the wadding it up.
When you would wad it up in your hand, you couldn't feel it in your hand.
You couldn't feel you had anything there.
And it would go to a size that was so small that you'd have to look
to see if it was still in your hand.
And then when you drop it, it spread out all over the table.
It made no noise, no sound of any kind.
It was just like, it was nothing.
It was like you were mashing air together.
So it wasn't aluminum foil?
Oh, absolutely not.
No, we had scraped aluminum foil off of everything for the war effort.
No, I knew aluminum foil.
No, this definitely wasn't.
I didn't realize the significance of it at the time.
I just knew it was different than anything I'd ever seen before.
So I forgot all about it after that.
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Headline edition July 8, 1947.
The Army Air Forces has announced that a
flying disc has been found and is now in the possession of the Army.
Something came down during the first week of
July, 1947, on what's known as the Foster Ranch.
A man named Matt Brazel was the foreman
of that ranch, and he was out checking his sheep.
He found all this strange debris.
He brought it by his neighbors the next day.
They suggested he go into the sheriff with it.
He went into Roswell, which was a big journey.
This was about 70 miles north-northwest of Roswell.
The sheriff, George Wilcox, called the local air base Roswell Army Airfield.
Two officers were dispatched, Jesse Marcel Sr. and
Sheraton Cabot, the CIC officer.
Mack Brazel shows them the debris field.
Clearly, it's just metallic debris.
The question I posed to a number of people, why didn't they react differently?
And the answer has always been, because they knew there was only one.
They knew there was a single craft.
They knew there was a single crash.
They had it all contained.
They took a calculated risk.
Mack Brazel found some of the same stuff,
but they knew it wasn't a craft itself.
They knew it was just debris.
Pieces of debris into the jeep.
By the time he got back to the vicinity
of the air base, it was close to midnight.
He stopped by his house to show his wife and 11-year-old son, Jesse Jr.,
this unusual debris.
Well, Jesse Jr. now is an M.D.
He's a colonel in the Montana Air National Guard.
He's a helicopter pilot, one of the standing fleet choppers in Vietnam.
Very stable individual.
The type of person that is seeking no notoriety, has no axe to grind on this.
I think to a great extent, he participates in these things to see if he can
help get the truth out.
I think this is what a bulk of us are doing.
We're not, we have nothing to gain by doing this.
My father was on the intelligence team at
the Roswell Army Airfield, and it was his job to look at what they thought was
a crashed aircraft or crashed something out there out of Roswell.
When he came in, he was very excited.
He woke my mother and myself up.
It must have been one or two o 'clock in the morning.
And he wanted us to see what he was bringing in from the field.
He said, this is parts of a flying saucer.
And it was all brought in and spread out on the kitchen floor.
And we just looked at it.
You know, I picked up this particular I -beam and held it up to my upper
left to look at it with the kitchen light reflecting on the inner surface.
And that's when I saw the writing or the symbols of some sort.
I thought at first, this is hieroglyphics or some kind of writing like that.
It certainly looked alien to me.
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Okay, well, yeah, just tell me what to do.
Because I don't know how much of me you've got in the picture or anything.
This was developed with the help of Jesse Marcel, Jr. and Kent Jeffrey.
This is a replica of what was picked up off of the desert by Major Jesse
Marcel back in 1947.
The one I saw was probably greatest three
-eighths of an inch in cross-sectional diameter, 12 to 18 inches long.
Actually, the material that I saw almost resembled
something that could have blown out to the side of the craft, like there was an
in-flight explosion just spreading debris or blowing debris out of the side.
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There is a debris field.
It's three-quarters of a mile long, 300
feet wide, according to Jesse Marcel, loaded with this metallic debris.
Mack Brazel describes it, the debris being thick
enough the sheep won't cross it.
He's got to drive it around him.
There's clearly a lot of debris.
Bill Brazel talks about a gouge down through
the center, 500 feet long, 10 feet at its widest.
We don't pretend to understand the mechanism of
the shedding of this massive amount of debris
in one area and the craft impacting much closer to Roswell.
It's a much smaller craft, 15 to 20
feet wide, maybe 25 feet long, more or less intact.
There seems to be some sort of damage to it.
There was some debris scattered on the impact
site itself, but I don't begin to understand
the mechanism for the shedding of that much
debris in one area and the craft being more or less intact in the other area,
unless there's some kind of an outer shell that it shed, or this was some kind
of an escape capsule, and the entire craft
disintegrated, and this is how they attempted to get out.
We just do not understand that, and we have to speculate about it.
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Something crashed into the desert outside Roswell in
1947, and the ham-fisted fashion in which
the U.S. Air Force handled the incident
convinced a great many people that it was
a flying saucer, and that at least one
alien creature was recovered from the crash site.
It is precisely the mixture of religion, science,
superstition, and folklore, intelligence, and ignorance that has
produced among Americans an entire subculture of belief
in extraterrestrial life.
It has gotten old, like anything else.
It has become a job, a task, no longer an exciting experience.
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My name is Walter G.
The G stands for George Haut.
H-A-U-T.
You ought to remember Haut.
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I'm not the only one.
There are other people that have been involved
in this that are in the same position.
We're not paid a penny for anything.
The only reason we're doing this is to try and get as much of the truth
out as we can while some of us are still alive.
You got to look at the age group that was out at the base at that time.
So many of the people that have been
doing the legwork, so to speak, were in their 20s.
I was one of them.
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At the base, I was a crew member,
navigator bombardier.
That was my primary duty assignment.
My secondary was as public relations officer for
Roswell Army Airfield and the 509th Bomb Group.
The 509th Bomb Group, incidentally, was a very elite group.
It was the only atomic bomb group in the world at the time.
The 509th Bomb Group was originally organized during World War II.
Their mission was to drop the atomic bombs on Japan.
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We also dropped the bomb on Bikini.
The organization was pretty much of a tight -lipped organization.
By the time you get to Roswell in
1947, it's the only atomic strike force in the world.
They're training people to begin other atomic bombing groups in the Air Force.
If you became the commander of the 509th
Bomb Group, you inevitably were promoted out of the job and became a general.
It was the premier group in the Air Force in 1947.
Today's edition presents a roundup of the latest
developments in the finding of a flying disc.
I was called to headquarters.
Was given copies of a press release
which stated, in essence, that we had in our possession a flying disc.
The army may be getting to the bottom of all this talk about the so-called
flying trumpet, as a matter of fact, the
509th Atomic Bomb Group headquarters at Roswell, New
Mexico, reports that it has received one of
the discs which landed on a ranch outside Roswell.
From what we know, it was shown to William Blanchard in the morning.
About 12 o'clock at noon, a press release was issued by Blanchard.
My father is a 30-year retired Air Force colonel, a World War II fighter ace,
and he knew and worked with William Blanchard in the early 1960s.
And according to my father, Blanchard was no fool.
Blanchard was not the kind of man to put out a press release about something so
dramatic as a crashed UFO without being absolutely certain he was correct.
In other words, if Blanchard said there was
a crashed disc, there was a crashed disc.
Colonel William Blanchard of the Roswell Air Base
refuses to give details of what the flying disc looked like.
The media here was localized media.
You had a radio station of 250 watts.
If you're outside of town, you basically didn't get it.
You had a second radio station of equal size.
You had two newspapers.
You could control the media very carefully.
It strikes me as odd in today's environment
to hear a radio station owner tell me that the FCC would call and say, if
you broadcast the story, you will lose your
license, and they don't tell the FCC to
go play with themselves and broadcast the story anyway.
They suppressed the story, and they were able to suppress the story.
They were able to do what they needed to do to suppress it.
This was a military town in 1947.
Then we have the military moving in, cleaning all of that material up.
Walter Haught issues his press release saying we've got a flying saucer.
I was told to hand deliver to the foreign
news media we had in town at that time.
We had two radio stations and two newspapers.
After I had lunch, I went back out to the base.
First phone call that I got when I got back to the office, a fellow from
London, England.
His interest was why did we put out the press release in the manner we did,
and how did Major Marcel know how to fly this object?
I had to explain to him that the press release was put out on the orders
of the base commander, number one, and number
two, Major Marcel did not fly this object.
He took this material and put it on
an aeroplane, and the aeroplane was flown forward.
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The phone rang and rang and rang and
rang until I would guess somewhere around 4
.30 as I got home, somewhere around 5 o’clock.
That was the end of it.
The next morning when I went out and
picked up the newspaper, said that headline that
General Ramey emptied our saucer.
The story was done.
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Ramey says that so far as can be determined,
no one saw the object in the air,
and he describes it as being made of some sort of tin foil.
That was aluminium foil or a foil of some kind.
It is not the material just so that
the material that he brought into Ramey's office
is not what he was photographed with.
That was more of the cover-up.
I believe he said I didn't want to be a liar about this, but I was
told this is what you're going to do.
When the general tells you, you did it.
Simple.
Jesse Marcel in fact told a number of people that it was a weather balloon.
When he was shown the picture in the book, he said that's not the stuff I
brought home.
You know, when he came back from Carswell,
after flying the debris, he did tell me
not to talk about this, tell my mother not to talk about this.
This is a non-event.
Play like it never happened.
Don't even talk about this with your friends, which I didn't.
And, uh, years later, he confided that he was actually
part of the cover-up because he went along with the Air Force explanation,
even though he knew full well that that was not true.
What do you think about the weather balloon story?
I think it's been a lie from the beginning,
but they have to cover up some way.
There was no weather balloon.
My dad would not have gotten excited over a weather balloon.
He was not easily excitable, and this is
the most thrilled I'd ever seen him in my life.
He thought that was the most fantastic thing in the world.
When the government said it was not a
flying saucer, there were no space people here,
it was a weather balloon, the people in
Roswell said, okay, it's a weather balloon.
Roswell seems to be the first event like
this because they were simply not prepared.
So we've got a lot of interest in this area.
The lid is slowly being shut down, and it's absolutely brilliant what they did.
They announced they have a flying saucer, but they've already captured it.
They've already got it.
There's nothing to see, so nobody goes out looking for the thing.
Then they shift everything to Fort Worth.
The higher headquarters says, no, no, those guys made a mistake.
It was just a weather balloon.
The press can't find Jesse Marcel because he's
in Fort Worth and he's been silenced.
They can't find Mack Brazzo because he's held
at the guest house here at the base.
All the people they can find General Ramey.
General Ramey is saying it's a weather balloon.
Colonel Blanchard suddenly goes on leave on Tuesday.
So you can't get a hold of anybody.
Blanchard's gone, Marcel's gone, the rancher's gone.
All you can get are official spokesmen saying, yeah, it's a weather balloon.
Press has got nowhere to go.
The story dies at that point.
Nothing to go on.
And everybody forgets about it until Jesse Marcel
says, I picked up pieces of a flying saucer.
So other than those people that had any
immediate access to the material and handled it or saw it, the story was over.
We'd made a mistake.
Fear will do a lot of things.
And that was fear.
In 1947, it was much easier to intimidate a child than it is in today's world.
We were not exposed to things like TV,
and we didn't have a TV in 1947.
And it was just, we were a very patriotic town.
If we were told you don't do something
for government safety, the safety of your country, we didn't do it.
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I'm not sure what the time span was,
maybe three days, maybe four, could have been less, could have been more.
I was at home, and the car came driving up the driveway, and we had a
pretty long driveway.
It was a military car.
And mother and I walked to the door.
They knocked on the door, and I answered
the door, and mother was beside me, and he
told mother who he was,
and that he wanted to talk to the girl that had been there at the fire station.
And so she told him it was me.
So he came in, and we started to sit down in the living room, and he
said, no, I want you to go in there in the dining room.
You could see the dining room from the living room there.
He told mother to sit at the end of the table, and he told me to
sit at the side.
He positioned himself across the table, and he
told us to sit down, and he stood.
And he said, I understand you were at the fire station the other day.
And I told him, yes, I was.
And he started out by saying, I want
you to understand that you were never there.
And I didn't understand what he meant, because
this was kind of not a way of talking that we were accustomed to.
And I said, yes, I was there.
And he said, no, you weren't.
And I said, yeah, I was there.
And he had mentioned at first that he wanted to see the one who had seen
the piece of material that they had been handling down at the station.
And I said, yes, I did handle it.
And he started emphasizing, no, you didn't.
Well, my mother was pretty strict, and we didn't lie.
So I'm insistent that, yes, I saw it.
Yes, I held it.
And he got mad, and he was, the more I insisted I had seen it.
He didn't just come out and say, this
is not something you're going to be allowed to talk about.
He was trying to get it through my head that I never saw it.
And he got louder,
and he had one of those, looks like a small baseball bat
that hooks on the side of your belt.
And he took that out, and he's holding it, and he starts beating his hand.
Every time he said something, he would hit that on his hand.
And he would say, I want you to understand,
you were never there.
You did not see anything.
You did not hear a conversation.
And he said, if you can't understand this,
there are things that we can do.
He asked Mother, he said, can she keep a secret?
And Mother said, yes.
She said, just tell her what you want her to do.
And he said, well, first of all, you've got to understand that
if you ever talk about this the rest of your life,
he said, there are things that we can do, and we'll do them now.
We can take all of you kids.
We will take you either to Orchard Park or to Artesia.
Orchard Park was a German POW camp during World War II.
And Artesia was a Japanese POW camp.
And he said, but we don't have to do that.
We don't even have to let you live.
He said, we'd put you in one.
We'd put your parents in the other one.
But we don't have to do that.
He said, we could take you out here in the middle of this desert.
He said, no one will ever find your bodies, ever.
No one will ever know what happened to you.
And so he said, the only way I'm going to let you stay around or live
is if you promise you'll never talk about this the rest of your life.
So I told him I wouldn't.
But that really was pretty much all that
was involved.
He was probably there at the house, maybe 45 minutes to an hour.
Mother sent me into the bedroom, and I don't know what he had to say to
her afterwards.
One of the other military police that was
with him stayed in the backyard with the
younger kids so they didn't come in the house while he was there.
And I never discussed it again until recently.
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And I'm sorry.
Someday I will get over it.
I haven't yet.
Your mother must have had a hard time explaining to you.
Obviously, you were raised to be honest.
She never talked to us about it, never.
It was never mentioned again.
From the time you came walking out of your bedroom?
From the time I went to the bedroom
until the day she died, we never mentioned it.
There was no conversation.
What would you have thought?
I never talked to him about it either.
I'm sure they must have talked to him down at the station.
He must have been a good talker.
I imagine he did.
Excuse me just a moment.
That’s okay, that’s okay.
Don’t you want a drink or something?
No, I just wish this whole thing would go away.
It just, it doesn't go away.
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And it doesn't get any easier because every
time that I tell somebody about it, I feel like I'm 12 years old again.
I can see the guy standing there,
his sunglasses on, and he never took his hat off.
He never took his sunglasses off, beating his
hand with that stick and dragging this.
And at the time he did it, it was okay.
Because we'd been through the war, we understood.
And I didn't realize it was intimidation.
I had no idea what it was until
probably the last five years, actually,
because I never talked about it again.
I never mentioned it to anybody.
When this all came out and my kids
found out about it, they were really upset with me
because I never told them about it.
My husband, who was very upset with me
about it too, because I never told him about it.
And what was it that made you finally tell him?
Kevin Randall.
If we had Frankie Rowe's story stand alone, I would be bothered by it.
A 12-year-old girl who meets with
military officers can certainly misconstrue what they're trying to tell her,
especially the way that they arrived at her house.
We know the event took place because her sister corroborates it.
Her sister corroborates her father's involvement.
We have affidavits on that.
So, yeah, I believe Frankie Rowe's story.
I think that they did visit her and
they did suggest the things she says they suggest.
And I believe that because we know that
others were intimidated in similar fashions.
We have the military people telling us they were sworn to secrecy.
All of this going on around it.
So Frankie Rowe is not standalone.
There's corroborative testimony that suggests somebody was putting
pressure on people to silence them, and they
used what means were necessary to keep those people silent.
With the military people, it was merely the
threat of imprisonment and going to jail because they understood that.
With some of the civilians, they were told
that if you ever talk about it, you will be killed.
One of the people, I forgot, Sheriff Wilcox,
his family was told the same thing, that if he talked about it, not only would
he be killed, his wife would be killed, and his daughters would be killed.
The whole family would be wiped out.
That comes from Sheriff Wilcox's granddaughter, Barbara Dugger,
who heard the story from her grandmother.
So we have a wide range of testimonies
from various individuals telling us of the pressures
that were placed on them to keep them silent.
And I think they used the technique that
was best for that specific group of individuals.
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The material that was found out on the
debris field was secondary to the crash of
the actual object on the night of the 4th of July.
I have heard secondhand that there were alien bodies.
My mother had a friend.
I told you, she and I never talked about it again.
She had a lady that would come out
and visit with her occasionally, and this woman's
husband was working out at the base.
He was a painter contracting to the government,
and he was painting in the base hospital
the day they brought them in, and he saw the one walking in.
And I heard mother and Yulimay talking
about Herbert seeing the one that walked in,
and that they brought others in on stretchers.
And mother said to Yulimay, did Herbert tell you what the face looks like?
Because Dan said it looked like the child of the earth.
And Yulimay said that's what Herbert said.
And of course, they put them in this side room, but a bunch of guys are
not going to just stand there, you know.
They're going to peek if they possibly can.
And they looked.
And I'm sure that probably mother and Yulimay
and maybe daddy and Herbert, and maybe there
was more discussion than I know about, but not in my presence.
It's the only reference I ever heard her make about that.
But I think that was done before they
came out to the house.
Because after they came out to the house, I never heard another comment.
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The U.S. Air Force is about to tell us what it says happened.
We're going over to the Pentagon now, where
Colonel John Haynes of the U.S. Air Force will tell us what happened.
For some bizarre reason, the Air Force, which
whenever you queried it about UFOs, said we have no interest in UFOs.
If you feel threatened by them, contact the local law enforcement.
Decided they were going to reinvestigate the Roswell case.
The conclusion of the first report left no
doubt that what was recovered near Roswell, New
Mexico in July 1947 was debris from a
formerly top secret Army Air Forces research project
codenamed Mogul.
In 1947, they told us it was a balloon with a ray wind target attached to it.
They then looked at their documentation and said,
well, we told a little white lie in 1947.
Instead of just being a normal meteorological balloon,
it was part of the array train for
what was then classified, the classified project, Project Mogul.
Mogul was an attempt to acoustically detect Soviet
nuclear blasts and ballistic missile launches.
The Air Force said that that explains it.
It's a highly classified project.
The people at Roswell wouldn't have recognized the balloon.
That's why it was covered up.
We didn't want the people to get back to Project Mogul.
Where this falls down is they have no
documentation to prove what was picked up at
Roswell was a Project Mogul balloon.
The people at Roswell, Jesse Marcel, for example,
the air intelligence officer was part of Operations Crossroads.
And we're told that the ray wind targets
in the meteorological balloons were used as part of the atomic testing.
So he should have been familiar with the balloons.
So you've got a situation where they're saying
these guys with their fingers on the triggers,
if you will, can't identify a balloon and
are so hysterically possessed that they claim it's a flying saucer.
They didn't review the tapes of the counterintelligence
NCOIC at the base who saw the debris and commented on it.
They didn't review the tapes of Major Edwin
Easley, who told me that he couldn't talk
about it because it was still classified.
Forty seven years later, told me a number
of times in our first conversation, I can't talk about it.
I was sworn to secrecy.
They didn't even talk to Brigadier General Arthur
Exxon, who reported that he flew over the
two sites, two distinct sites and reports the gouge.
A balloon will not leave a gouge.
So they didn't talk to the people I would think were key people.
Instead, they talked to the people that are
going to lead them directly to the Project
Mogul explanation and let it go at that.
They say this was a top secret project, implying there was special equipment.
It's a neoprene balloon and Raywin targets.
Raywin targets had been used for 20 years.
At first, they were used because they reflected
the sun and they could track them visually much easier.
Now they they were adapted to radar use.
Irving Newton said they launched literally hundreds of
them during the invasion of Okinawa.
There's nothing special about these balloons, nothing at all.
And we're but by placing with Project Mogul,
we're implying that there was something unusual about
these balloons, that there was something that would
keep these people from identifying.
But there wasn't.
This is in reference to Charles Moore, who
was the project engineer on Mogul with respect
to the neoprene rubber used on those meteorological balloons.
And they were standard meteorological balloons.
The idea that the Mogul array was something
special or out of the ordinary is an illusion.
But Moore explained to me the type of rubber, how thin it was.
He actually compared it to a giant condom.
He said it was very thin and that's what it looked like.
And my response to that was, well, if
that's the type of material that this resembled,
it certainly isn't anything that would have fooled
any members of the United States Armed Forces.
Therefore, this was not a Mogul balloon.
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I don't know that the Air Force has ever explained what took them so long
to say this is the explanation, if this is the explanation.
When I sent the first request to the
Secretary of Defense for a response about the
Roswell incident in view of the fact that
there were these accusations, essentially of a government
cover-up, the response I got was a very terse letter that said in about a
sentence or two from the Air Force,
we referred your letter to the National Archives.
That's all it said.
The National Archives then said we don't have
any information about the Roswell incident, which I
was convinced the Defense Department had to know
before they were sending me there.
So in other words, I thought I was getting the runaround.
They believe that the records, in fact, were
destroyed more than four decades ago.
So there's not an individual on the job now we can just call up and say,
what happened to these records?
And so the GAO has simply no further
recommendations or ideas on how to go farther.
The only records we're talking about being destroyed
are communications from Roswell Army Airfield, 509th, only
atomic bombing group in the world, out, out, moving messages.
How about the analysis of the materials?
How about the autopsy reports?
How about the eyewitness testimony from those who
stood guard, those who carried it, those who
tested at various government labs?
There ought to be a ton of other paper.
What happened to this?
What happened to the one that was alive?
I'm positive that there's information being withheld from
the public domain concerning the Roswell event.
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There are a lot of things that our government hides.
And it isn’t right, they shouldn't.
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They especially shouldn't do it to a town
like Roswell that was so supportive of every single thing that they did.
The story is going to end one of these days because there's nobody going to be
able to refute it or say anything about it.
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