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♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

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Despite over 30 years
of colossal success,

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Counting Crows remains
one of the most polarizing bands

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in rock history.

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In this film, I focused

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on the first two
Counting Crows records

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because I wanted
to trace the roots

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of what inspired
so much adoration

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as well as so much vitriol.

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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

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(TRAFFIC HUMMING
IN THE DISTANCE)

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♪ ("A LONG DECEMBER"
BY COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

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ADAM DURITZ: ♪ A long December ♪

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♪ And there's reason
To believe ♪

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♪ Maybe this year
Will be better ♪

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♪ Than the last ♪

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♪ I can't remember
The last thing that you said ♪

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♪ As you were leaving
Now the days go by so fast ♪

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♪ And it's one more day up
In the canyon ♪

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♪ And it's one more night
In Hollywood ♪

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♪ If you think
That I could be forgiven ♪

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♪ I wish you would ♪

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♪ Na, na, na, na
Na, na, na, na ♪

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♪ Na, na, na, na
Na, na, na, na ♪

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♪ Yeah ♪

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♪ Yeah ♪

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♪ Yeah ♪

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♪ Yeah ♪

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♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪

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(SIGHS)

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A lot of my songs are about
difficult moments

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in people's lives,

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but they're almost always
sort of leavened

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with the idea of hope. (INHALES)

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I know I'm the kind of person
who thinks about things

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being hopeless
in a lot of situations,

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and I especially was
when I was younger.

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It was, you know, 'cause on top
of everything else

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and whatever difficulties
you might be going through,

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I had a mental illness
that was really...

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I didn't understand what it was,

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I didn't know
what was happening,

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and I just knew
it was really hard to live with.

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It's like, how do you,

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you know, move yourself
more towards hope

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when you can't sleep
and you can't think clearly.

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And then all of a sudden,
you're in front
of the whole world.

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And it was great
to suddenly have a career.

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There are all these things
that came with it

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that were just fucking
really difficult.

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These songs made me change
the entire kind of person I was.

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So, they mean everything to me.

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♪ ("MR. JONES"
BY COUNTING CROWS) ♪

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♪ I was down
At the New Amsterdam ♪

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♪ Staring at this
Yellow-haired girl ♪

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♪ Mr. Jones strikes up
A conversation ♪

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♪ With a black-haired
Flamenco dancer ♪

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♪ She dances
While his father plays guitar ♪

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CHRIS MARTIN:
I'm grateful for that band,

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that kind of lyrical openness,
just saying how you feel.

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It's a very brave thing to do,

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and you can take a lot of shit
for it as an artist.

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♪ I wish I was beautiful ♪

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♪ La-la-la-la, la-la-la-la ♪

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He hit hard with a song
about wanting to be a rock star

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at the exact moment
in rock history

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when you weren't supposed
to admit

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you wanted to be a rock star.

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♪ Mr. Jones and me ♪

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MARY-LOUISE PARKER:
We're at a stoplight,

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and these kids in this car
started screaming

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"Counting Crows suck!"

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ADAM: ♪ She's looking at you ♪

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♪ I don't think so,
she's looking at me ♪

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When you become famous,
you can't do what you used to do

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and you become isolated.

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♪ When everybody loves me ♪

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♪ I hope I never get lonely
Yeah ♪

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If your inner critic is loud
like mine is, like Adam is,

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you inevitably
go through periods

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where you literally
don't like yourself.

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♪ Believe in me ♪

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♪ 'Cause I don't believe
In anything ♪

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What no one prepares you for

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is what happens when
your first album is enormous.

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♪ You should not believe in me ♪

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♪ 'Cause Mr. Jones and me go
Stumbling through the barrio ♪

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♪ We stare at all
The beautiful women ♪

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♪ She's perfect for you ♪

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♪ Man, there's got to be
Someone for me ♪

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♪ I wanna be Bob Dylan
Mr. Jones wishes ♪

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♪ He was someone
Just a little more funky ♪

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♪ Well, man
When everybody loves you ♪

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♪ Sometime, that's just about
As fucked up as you can be ♪

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♪ Mr. Jones and me ♪

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♪ We don't see each other
Much anymore ♪

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♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪

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JEFF ROSS: Mr. Jones.
Who is Mr. Jones, by the way?

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Did we ever find out?
Is it James Earl Jones?

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Was it Alex Jones?
Was it Indiana Jones?

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I'm Jones-ing for an answer,

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if you could help me
figure this out. (CHUCKLES)

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Who the fuck was Mr. Jones?

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(REEL WHIRRING)

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-ADAM: Are my boots in the shot?
-INTERVIEWER: Yeah.

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Good, 'cause they're awesome.

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♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

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ADAM: We moved to Berkeley,
then Oakland,

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then back to Berkeley.

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It was my first time being
in a band

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and writing songs
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and it's hard to do that.

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I was kind of at a point

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where I was trying to find
a name for the band.

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I had, like, a legal pad
with two columns of names,

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like, probably about 60 names.
They were all terrible.

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There was one called Bird Circle
and one called Monkey Garden,

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or else they were reversed.

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I was watching a videotape
of Mary Louise Parker.

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It was, like,
one of my oldest friends.

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It was called Signs of Life.

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That time was really wild.
I'd just done my first movie.

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ADAM: It stars Beau Bridges,
Vince D'Onofrio,

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Kevin J. O'Connor.

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And there's a scene
where Vince and Kevin

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are standing on a hillside,
trying to figure out

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what to do with the rest
of their lives,

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and a flock of crows flies up.
And Vince says...

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What's that rhyme
about the crows?

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-(CROWS CAWING)
-What rhyme?

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The thing that you say
when you see crows.

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-Crows?
-Yeah.

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Kevin says,
"I think it was counting dogs."

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No, it's not dogs. It's crows.

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It's something my mom used
to say, "Counting crows."

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I tore the piece of paper
off the pad and threw it

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in my parents' fireplace

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and decided
that was our name, you know.

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I promptly was told
it was a terrible name.

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All band names are terrible
until they're not.

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♪ 'Round here
She's always on my mind ♪

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DAVID IMMERGLÜCK:
He was playing a show at some

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Grange Hall in Berkeley,
and Adam and I started arguing

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about records, you know?

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I was into Cannes
or Captain Beefheart,

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and he was talking
about Bruce Springsteen.

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I was like, "I'm not a member
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and he goes, "What do you mean?"
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there's this knock
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in Berkeley at about
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and I open up the door, and,
"Oh, it's that guy Adam."

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And he's got this
pile of records.

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Bruce Springsteen's entire
chronological catalog,

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used, that he just bought up
at Amoeba Records.

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And he says, "Here,
these are for you. (CHUCKLES)

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We'll talk later." You know.

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And I just like,
"I love this guy."

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Immerglück was like...

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you know, "Let's see
if you guys can get along."

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And we did. We kind of
hit it off immediately.

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-♪ ("MARGERY" PLAYING) ♪
-ADAM: When we wanted to do
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we went into Dave's studio.
Dave owned a little

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sixteen-track recording studio
called Dancing Dog.

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This recording project
became a stunning demo.

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Dave Bryson was a very
accomplished engineer,

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and it sounded like a record.

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♪ But oh, Margery ♪

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♪ Takes the blade
And walks away from me ♪

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We were writing August then.

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I mean,
Adam really wrote the songs,

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but I contributed and wrote
some of the bridges and stuff.

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So, when I say we,
I mean he, ultimately.

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We found this guy, Alan Leonard.

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It turned out to be a big deal.
He was Tom Petty's lawyer,

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and he represented
Warner Chappell Publishing.

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Yeah, sure. Send me a tape.

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A demo should have a song on it,
maybe two, as long as three.

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We had 14 or 15 songs
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His reaction,
which was anybody's reaction

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to a 15-song demo,
is, "What a bunch of rubes."

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Alan's like,
"This better be good,

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'cause it's going to be on
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♪ ("EINSTEIN ON THE BEACH"
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But then when you start
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half the first album's on it.

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-♪ ("ROUND HERE" PLAYING) ♪
-♪ Round here-- ♪

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Along with a bunch of songs
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for the first album,
but they were really catchy

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and they were good songs.

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It wasn't 30 seconds
to throw it away,

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it was 30 seconds to call us.

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♪ Yeah, Mr. Jones... ♪

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ADAM: The night he got it,
I got a phone call.

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"Oh, my God.
Hey, I'm so excited.

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I really want to work
with you guys.

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Let me just finish this.
Okay, bye." Click.

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Phone rings again.
"This is Alan Leonard.

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I'm that lawyer.
You sent me the tape."

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"Okay. Okay, sure."

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That lawyer passed it
around to record executives,

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so everyone was copying it,

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and it became a lot of their
favorite demo going around.

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We got offers from
every record company there was.

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After that,
there was a bidding war.

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Geffen offered us complete
creative freedom

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and a higher royalty rate.

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And we traded away
all the money for that.

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I mean, all of it.

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(RECORD CRACKLES)

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ROB HARVILLA:
Geffen was Nirvana, you know?

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Geffen was the vanguard
of what was now

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the new, cool, enduring,
important thing.

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If you were 14, hypothetically,
at the time,

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Nirvana changed everything.

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One day I was listening
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and the next day I was not.

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("SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT" BY
NIRVANA PLAYING) ♪

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That's when the '90s
started, officially.

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(♪ REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

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At the time, I was living
in my parents' house,

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you know, and kind
of breaking their hearts.

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I was ready
to just go get a little job

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and just try to eke out
my existence.

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CHARLIE GILLINGHAM: I had
another career over in software.

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I wanted to be an academic

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AI researcher,
in artificial intelligence.

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DAVE BRYSON: Since I was 12,
I knew I wanted to be in a band.

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I had no idea how impossible
it was to be successful.

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All of a sudden we had
a major label record deal.

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Here we are,
this bookish and pudgy

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folk rock group
from the Berkeley Hills.

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You know, how are we going to
sell millions of records?

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I assumed we'd make a record.

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Maybe we'd do a tour
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and then we'd come home.

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The band would break up.

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Your record deal
would fall apart.

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DAVE: There's that
Wile E. Coyote moment

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where he's flying

242
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and somebody says,
"You can't fly."

243
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And he's like, "I can't?"
He drops like a rock, right?

244
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I felt like I could be
a rock star, right?

245
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I could just do this.

246
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So, when we went to make
the first record, right,

247
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I told the people
at my office that,

248
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you know, "Save my office."
And I thought, you know,

249
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this is going to take,
like, four months
and I'll be back at work, right?

250
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Uh, but it didn't.

251
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♪ (BRIGHT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

252
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(BIRDS CHIRPING)

253
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ADAM: We rented this house
up in the hills.

254
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I think it's, like,
the Swiss Consulate now.

255
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It was perfect.
It had a big main room,

256
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which we could record in.

257
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♪ (INTRIGUING MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

258
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CHARLIE: T-Bone Burnett is one
of the great producers,

259
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and we were lucky
to have him.

260
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First of all,
he's named T-Bone Burnett,

261
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which I think is like,
75 percent

262
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of his authority,
of his greatness.

263
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It's just like,
"This is our producer, T-Bone."

264
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It's like, "Yep."

265
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We played a lot of poker.
T-Bone loved to play poker.

266
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And there was, like,
one of the first massage chairs

267
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I'd ever seen, right.

268
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T-Bone was always in that chair,

269
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always on the phone.

270
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"Love what you're doing.
Keep doing it.

271
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Just keep doing it.
Love what you're doing."

272
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(FAST-PACED)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

273
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He said, "We made a demo
that sounds like an album.

274
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Now, you have to make an album
that sounds like a demo."

275
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ADAM: As much as we were
making our first record,

276
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we were also in discovery mode,

277
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trying to figure out
who we were.

278
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I thought we needed to get
in a circle and listen

279
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to each other
and learn to play as a band.

280
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I made everybody...

281
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change.

282
00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:32,269
Dave Bryson had played kind
of Stone Roses' affected guitar

283
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with a lot of effects,
and we got rid of all those.

284
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Matt had been playing
a fretless bass.

285
00:13:38,692 --> 00:13:41,737
We made him get an old Höfner
and an old Vox.

286
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Charlie had been playing
some synths,

287
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but we said, "No,
just piano and B3

288
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for this record."

289
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As musicians... Phew!

290
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Uh...

291
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I'll just say,
I wasn't ready for it.

292
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So, when we were making
that first record,

293
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I was scared out of my wits.

294
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I was not sure
that I could deliver

295
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what this record deserved
or what it needed.

296
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In fact, I was sure I couldn't.

297
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ADAM: I made everybody's
life miserable.

298
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I mean, I think everybody
in the band quit at some point

299
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during the making
of that record.

300
00:14:10,850 --> 00:14:12,601
DAVE:
It was a difficult transition

301
00:14:12,643 --> 00:14:15,813
going from being
a 50/50 partnership

302
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to Adam calling the shots.

303
00:14:18,232 --> 00:14:19,817
I remember when he told me

304
00:14:19,900 --> 00:14:21,902
that this is the new
world order,

305
00:14:21,944 --> 00:14:25,281
and I thought long
and hard about quitting.

306
00:14:25,364 --> 00:14:27,825
I really thought, you know...
Can I swear?

307
00:14:27,908 --> 00:14:31,120
-INTERVIEWER: For sure.
-(CHUCKLES) "Fuck it.
Fuck this."

308
00:14:31,203 --> 00:14:33,163
Imagine, like,
working your whole life

309
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to get signed,

310
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and then you get signed
'cause you're such a good band,

311
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and your band leader says,
"Yeah, it's great,

312
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but everything
you've been doing is wrong,

313
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and we're going to have
to change everything."

314
00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,467
I mean, you'd be thinking, like,
"That guy's crazy."

315
00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:47,303
But after I, you know,

316
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stopped feeling sorry
for myself, I realized,

317
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"Let's just see
where this goes," you know?

318
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♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

319
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CHARLIE: In the studio,
he would regularly have

320
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really dark episodes

321
00:14:59,732 --> 00:15:01,191
where he didn't know
how to communicate

322
00:15:01,275 --> 00:15:02,484
what it is he wanted,

323
00:15:02,526 --> 00:15:04,403
and he didn't like
the way it was.

324
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ADAM: It just needed to feel
a certain way.

325
00:15:06,071 --> 00:15:07,489
I didn't necessarily know
how to tell people

326
00:15:07,531 --> 00:15:08,824
what was wrong.

327
00:15:08,866 --> 00:15:10,659
I just knew what it needed
to feel like,

328
00:15:10,701 --> 00:15:12,828
and I wasn't very good at it.

329
00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:15,581
And I didn't know how
to tell people

330
00:15:16,498 --> 00:15:17,791
to be Counting Crows.

331
00:15:17,833 --> 00:15:20,920
I think I could say this
because I am the exact same way,

332
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that when he is in the act
of creating,

333
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he's, like,
not the easiest person.

334
00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:28,177
Because he's striving

335
00:15:28,218 --> 00:15:30,888
for something
beyond his expectations.

336
00:15:30,971 --> 00:15:32,264
He wants it to surprise him.

337
00:15:32,348 --> 00:15:35,017
He wants it to be better than
what he could imagine.

338
00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,562
And he's going to be relentless
in pursuit of that.

339
00:15:38,646 --> 00:15:40,481
And not everybody is like that.

340
00:15:41,649 --> 00:15:43,817
CYNDI LAUPER: I spent my life
in rock and roll.

341
00:15:43,859 --> 00:15:46,487
My whole life,
I've been in bands.

342
00:15:46,528 --> 00:15:48,197
And as a front person,

343
00:15:48,238 --> 00:15:51,533
you have to connect
with your band

344
00:15:51,575 --> 00:15:53,202
coming through you.

345
00:15:53,243 --> 00:15:56,872
So, Adam took all this angst
that he was going through

346
00:15:56,914 --> 00:15:59,667
and transcended it
through music.

347
00:15:59,708 --> 00:16:01,919
♪ ("PERFECT BLUE BUILDINGS"
BY COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

348
00:16:02,002 --> 00:16:05,255
♪ Just down the street
From your hotel, baby ♪

349
00:16:06,382 --> 00:16:09,677
♪ I stay at home
With my disease ♪

350
00:16:11,053 --> 00:16:12,721
CHARLIE:
He doesn't like polished music.

351
00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:14,264
Polishing up
is gonna make it worse.

352
00:16:14,348 --> 00:16:15,891
You have to get,
you know, your feelings

353
00:16:15,975 --> 00:16:17,601
and the instruments
around to a place

354
00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:19,853
where it's not polished.
It's coming out raw,

355
00:16:19,895 --> 00:16:21,897
even though it's the 109th take.

356
00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:23,691
You know,
we had to make it real.

357
00:16:23,732 --> 00:16:24,984
It had to hurt.

358
00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,403
It had to hurt.

359
00:16:27,486 --> 00:16:30,322
I wanted a song like
"Perfect Blue Buildings"

360
00:16:30,406 --> 00:16:32,116
to be like having a breakdown.

361
00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:34,910
And so I basically had one.

362
00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:41,040
♪ And try to keep myself away
From myself and me ♪

363
00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:47,589
♪ Oh-oh
In a perfect blue building ♪

364
00:16:49,174 --> 00:16:50,259
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

365
00:16:50,342 --> 00:16:53,178
ROB: There's sort of a rambling
intimacy to Adam

366
00:16:53,262 --> 00:16:55,097
where you feel like
you're listening,

367
00:16:55,139 --> 00:16:57,266
you're watching somebody work
something out.

368
00:16:57,307 --> 00:16:59,601
And there's, like,
a journaling, you know,

369
00:16:59,685 --> 00:17:01,895
like inner turmoil...
♪ (SOFT, PENSIVE MUSIC) ♪

370
00:17:01,937 --> 00:17:04,732
...therapeutic sort of feeling,
you know,

371
00:17:04,772 --> 00:17:08,277
that you can get from him
and that you can share with him,

372
00:17:08,318 --> 00:17:10,154
you know, if you get
on that wavelength.

373
00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:19,788
ADAM: I started writing songs
when I was about 18.

374
00:17:19,872 --> 00:17:21,957
It gave me a place
to express myself

375
00:17:21,999 --> 00:17:23,500
that I had been
missing all my life.

376
00:17:23,584 --> 00:17:25,627
I always felt like there's all
this stuff inside me.

377
00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:28,839
It doesn't seem
to express itself

378
00:17:28,922 --> 00:17:30,507
or show up in all
the other stuff

379
00:17:30,591 --> 00:17:31,884
I'm doing during childhood.

380
00:17:33,677 --> 00:17:36,305
It's like this place
I go to talk about

381
00:17:36,346 --> 00:17:38,015
all this stuff in myself,

382
00:17:38,098 --> 00:17:40,684
like I'm living here
and it's this place I go to

383
00:17:40,768 --> 00:17:43,395
where I can actually express
all the things I'm feeling.

384
00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:47,775
You know, part of
dissociative behavior

385
00:17:47,816 --> 00:17:49,985
is you kind of live
at a distance from things.

386
00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:52,529
The world often seems like
a movie you're watching.

387
00:17:52,613 --> 00:17:53,781
So, you're, you know,

388
00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:56,366
at a bit of a distance
from your life.

389
00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:58,494
And the nice thing about
learning to write songs is

390
00:17:58,577 --> 00:18:00,162
I could go really express
a bunch of stuff

391
00:18:00,204 --> 00:18:01,246
as opposed to...

392
00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:06,001
-(BIRDS CHIRPING)
-♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES PLAYING) ♪

393
00:18:06,043 --> 00:18:10,631
One morning, I was 21,
I got a really big glass

394
00:18:10,672 --> 00:18:13,050
and I drank
this whole glass of water.

395
00:18:13,133 --> 00:18:15,219
And I thought, "Well,
I feel really strange.

396
00:18:15,302 --> 00:18:17,513
I feel different. I feel like...

397
00:18:17,554 --> 00:18:18,889
♪ (UNEASY MUSIC) ♪

398
00:18:18,972 --> 00:18:21,683
And as far as I'm concerned,
I was...

399
00:18:26,855 --> 00:18:28,565
It was terrifying,
24 hours a day,

400
00:18:28,649 --> 00:18:30,025
every morning I'd wake up,

401
00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:32,736
and I'd be afraid
to open my eyes at first.

402
00:18:32,820 --> 00:18:34,071
♪ (DISTORTED MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

403
00:18:34,154 --> 00:18:36,865
I just really wanted it
to be over, and it wouldn't be.

404
00:18:36,907 --> 00:18:39,284
It would just go on
and on and on.

405
00:18:41,161 --> 00:18:42,704
That's the beginning
of when I thought,

406
00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:45,249
"Okay, there's something
seriously wrong with me mentally

407
00:18:45,332 --> 00:18:47,918
because this is just nothing
to do with drugs.
It's just happening."

408
00:18:50,712 --> 00:18:53,298
That's the first time
I started getting medicated

409
00:18:53,382 --> 00:18:56,260
by a doctor because
I didn't even know how to live.

410
00:18:56,343 --> 00:18:59,054
It was so scary
and it wouldn't stop.

411
00:19:02,182 --> 00:19:03,934
♪ (MUSIC STOPS) ♪

412
00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:07,771
While we were making
the first record,

413
00:19:07,855 --> 00:19:11,108
I got a phone call
from my manager, said, "Hey,

414
00:19:11,191 --> 00:19:13,735
Van Morrison's not gonna play
at the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame.

415
00:19:13,819 --> 00:19:15,696
He's getting inducted,
but he's not coming."

416
00:19:15,737 --> 00:19:18,031
Robbie Robertson
was the music director
at that point.

417
00:19:18,073 --> 00:19:19,616
And Robbie said,
"No, I know this band.

418
00:19:19,700 --> 00:19:21,702
They're making a record up
in the hills right now.

419
00:19:21,743 --> 00:19:22,911
They'd be perfect."

420
00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:27,082
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
was built to exclude people.

421
00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,543
Every year, there's, like,
"We're gonna let these people in

422
00:19:29,585 --> 00:19:31,253
and not these people."
There's a hierarchy.

423
00:19:31,336 --> 00:19:33,422
There's a way that you get in

424
00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:35,048
and that they come
to accept you.

425
00:19:35,090 --> 00:19:37,593
Like, I think about
Robbie Robertson being like,

426
00:19:37,634 --> 00:19:39,720
"Ladies and gentlemen,
these guys,"

427
00:19:39,761 --> 00:19:42,973
and Counting Crows appear,
and nobody knows who they are.

428
00:19:43,056 --> 00:19:45,142
(CROWD CHEERING, APPLAUDING)

429
00:19:45,225 --> 00:19:48,729
♪ And the caravan
Is on its way ♪

430
00:19:50,689 --> 00:19:54,318
♪ I can hear
The merry gypsies play ♪

431
00:19:54,401 --> 00:19:56,612
ADAM: And I remember
when we went to go play,

432
00:19:56,695 --> 00:19:59,948
I had this stupid hat called
a mambo sock.

433
00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,784
And it's like a cap
that's got a long end to it,

434
00:20:02,826 --> 00:20:05,495
and it tucks itself through
itself in the back,

435
00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:06,914
through the little tie rope.

436
00:20:06,955 --> 00:20:11,543
♪ Gypsy Robin, sweet Emma Rose ♪

437
00:20:11,627 --> 00:20:13,837
I don't know why I'm wearing
that on my head, but I am.

438
00:20:13,921 --> 00:20:16,840
And I've got like this
big, heavy coat on.

439
00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:18,759
You know,
I get really lost on stage.

440
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,969
And the first time I do
the first, like, "Turn it up."

441
00:20:21,011 --> 00:20:21,970
Turn it up.

442
00:20:22,012 --> 00:20:23,805
I throw my head back
and the hat flies off

443
00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:26,600
the back of my head,
but I catch it.

444
00:20:26,642 --> 00:20:29,645
I have enough sense
to keep catching the hat,

445
00:20:29,728 --> 00:20:33,106
but not enough sense
to either get it on my head

446
00:20:33,148 --> 00:20:35,984
firmly or throw it away.

447
00:20:36,068 --> 00:20:40,197
And so it just spends the song
migrating around my head

448
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,574
in different directions,
like forward and back.

449
00:20:42,658 --> 00:20:44,701
It just keeps coming off
and spinning around.

450
00:20:44,785 --> 00:20:46,536
But we played great,
you know, it was great.

451
00:20:46,620 --> 00:20:49,498
I think to this day, we're still
the only unknown band

452
00:20:49,581 --> 00:20:51,792
to ever play at the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

453
00:20:52,501 --> 00:20:55,254
♪ (MID-TEMPO MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

454
00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:57,506
DAN VICKREY: I just kind of
heard one day that, you know,

455
00:20:57,589 --> 00:20:59,049
oh, Charlie's quitting
all of his bands

456
00:20:59,132 --> 00:21:01,009
and he's going to play
in this one band.

457
00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:03,178
And I was like, "That's crazy,"

458
00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:06,181
you know,
'cause why would you do that?

459
00:21:06,223 --> 00:21:08,850
I went and saw them
at the Paradise Lounge,

460
00:21:08,934 --> 00:21:11,353
and just hearing the songs,
hearing Adam,

461
00:21:11,395 --> 00:21:13,397
watching Adam perform,
I was just like,

462
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,192
"Charlie, if you guys ever need
another guitar player,

463
00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:21,363
I... I'd love to play
with you guys."

464
00:21:21,446 --> 00:21:23,407
I took the record home
on the weekend

465
00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:25,534
and played it
at my parents' house,

466
00:21:25,575 --> 00:21:27,077
and my mom yelled
from the kitchen,

467
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,454
she said,
"That dude's a whiner."

468
00:21:29,538 --> 00:21:34,376
-♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES)
-(LAUGHS)

469
00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:36,378
That was the start of that.

470
00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:38,755
Oh, we're up. Master T
hanging out with the Countin...

471
00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,758
Countin... Counting Crows.
How are ya? All right?

472
00:21:41,842 --> 00:21:43,885
All right, fellas, introduce
yourselves to the nation.

473
00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:45,429
I'm Charlie.

474
00:21:45,512 --> 00:21:46,722
-Hello, nation.
-I'm Adam.

475
00:21:46,805 --> 00:21:48,181
Good afternoon, nation.
This is Dan.

476
00:21:48,223 --> 00:21:49,266
Dan, glad to meet you.

477
00:21:49,349 --> 00:21:50,600
All right,
let's talk about the dreads.

478
00:21:50,684 --> 00:21:52,436
-How long you have the dreads?
-About a year.

479
00:21:52,519 --> 00:21:55,188
-MASTER T: Yeah? Fresh look.
-Yeah. (CHUCKLES)

480
00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:57,941
I've always had troubles looking
in the mirror

481
00:21:58,025 --> 00:21:59,818
and feeling like it wasn't me.

482
00:21:59,901 --> 00:22:02,195
There were some times that was
more disturbing than others,

483
00:22:02,237 --> 00:22:03,572
but it just didn't look right.

484
00:22:03,655 --> 00:22:05,073
It's not how I felt
about myself.

485
00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:06,908
What I would see wasn't me.

486
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:09,286
It didn't feel like
the way I felt

487
00:22:09,369 --> 00:22:11,038
to see the face
in the mirror.

488
00:22:11,079 --> 00:22:12,247
It just didn't.

489
00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:15,417
-♪ (PENSIVE MUSIC PLAYING)
-♪ But when I got dreads, I did.

490
00:22:15,500 --> 00:22:16,752
It was just like the first time

491
00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:18,337
I'd ever really
recognized myself.

492
00:22:18,837 --> 00:22:20,714
And then I spent...

493
00:22:21,923 --> 00:22:24,634
twenty-seven,
28 years living in that.

494
00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:26,762
You know, and...

495
00:22:28,263 --> 00:22:29,848
I think I learned to be me.

496
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:34,186
Like, what? (CHUCKLES)
It just seemed...

497
00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:39,232
It seemed crazy to me.

498
00:22:39,274 --> 00:22:41,985
Like, why would you do that,
you know?

499
00:22:42,069 --> 00:22:43,278
But good Lord,

500
00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:46,615
it became this huge part
of who he was,

501
00:22:46,656 --> 00:22:49,117
and he looked great
back then, you know?

502
00:22:49,159 --> 00:22:53,288
But the shock of it was like,
"Are you kidding me?"

503
00:22:53,372 --> 00:22:55,791
Like, "This is where
we're going? Okay."

504
00:22:55,874 --> 00:22:58,043
I bought one of his dreadlocks
on eBay.

505
00:22:58,835 --> 00:23:00,337
I planted it
and I'm hoping to grow

506
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:01,797
another Adam Duritz.

507
00:23:03,215 --> 00:23:04,466
(CHUCKLES)

508
00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:07,386
JEFF: I've known him
a long time.

509
00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:11,640
I met him about 20 years ago
in Washington Square Park.

510
00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:13,392
I thought he was Ani DiFranco

511
00:23:13,475 --> 00:23:16,561
and I started hitting on him.
(CHUCKLES)

512
00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:18,021
Why did you even ask me
to do this?

513
00:23:18,105 --> 00:23:19,481
I'm just gonna make fun
of Counting Crows

514
00:23:19,564 --> 00:23:22,317
the whole time.
Is this really what you want?

515
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:26,488
When Counting Crows first hit,
I was a writer at MTV.

516
00:23:26,571 --> 00:23:29,157
I was working at 1515 Broadway.

517
00:23:29,199 --> 00:23:34,663
MTV was the place.
You had to be on MTV to make it.

518
00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:38,792
MTV told you what was cool.
MTV told you who you were.

519
00:23:38,834 --> 00:23:41,336
You know, and maybe you went
in the Yo! MTV Raps direction,

520
00:23:41,378 --> 00:23:43,380
maybe you went in the
Headbangers Ball direction,

521
00:23:43,463 --> 00:23:46,299
maybe you went
in the 120 minutes direction.

522
00:23:46,341 --> 00:23:47,676
ADAM: 120 minutes was the kind

523
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:49,428
of indie show that was
on every Sunday

524
00:23:49,511 --> 00:23:51,388
from midnight to 2:00
in the morning.

525
00:23:52,180 --> 00:23:53,557
Geffen got a call from MTV,

526
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,143
said, "Where's the video
for Counting Crows?"

527
00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:58,395
Geffen said, "Which song?"

528
00:23:58,478 --> 00:23:59,938
(CHUCKLES)
The people at MTV were like,

529
00:24:00,021 --> 00:24:02,023
"What the fuck is wrong
with you?
What do you mean, which song?

530
00:24:02,107 --> 00:24:03,024
It's your album.

531
00:24:03,066 --> 00:24:05,193
The hit, 'Mr. Jones,'
you know?"

532
00:24:05,235 --> 00:24:07,654
Like, "Oh, okay, yeah,
we'll make that."

533
00:24:09,406 --> 00:24:11,450
My managers had
this really genius idea.

534
00:24:11,533 --> 00:24:12,784
You know, nothing gets released

535
00:24:12,868 --> 00:24:14,035
between Christmas
and New Year's.

536
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,621
There's no charts that week,
so they don't release anything.

537
00:24:16,705 --> 00:24:18,081
No songs, no records.

538
00:24:18,165 --> 00:24:20,208
Nothing comes out then
because you can't chart.

539
00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:21,918
They had this idea that no one's

540
00:24:22,002 --> 00:24:23,753
giving anything to MTV
in that week.

541
00:24:23,837 --> 00:24:26,006
So, if we give it to them
that week,

542
00:24:26,047 --> 00:24:28,550
they'll put it right up on
120 minutes for sure.

543
00:24:28,633 --> 00:24:30,177
-I'm Charlie.
-I'm Matt.

544
00:24:30,218 --> 00:24:31,428
I'm Adam.

545
00:24:31,511 --> 00:24:33,054
-And we're...
-Yeah. We're...

546
00:24:33,096 --> 00:24:34,556
-We're Counting Crows
-Yeah, we are.

547
00:24:34,639 --> 00:24:37,601
MTV was on and I heard
that beginning riff.

548
00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:40,103
I went, "Oh, this is Adam.
This is going to be Adam."

549
00:24:40,187 --> 00:24:42,063
♪ ("MR. JONES"
BY COUNTING CROWS PLAYS) ♪

550
00:24:42,147 --> 00:24:47,068
♪ Sha-la-la-la, la-la-la
Mm, uh-huh ♪

551
00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:52,741
♪ So come dance this silence
Down through the morning ♪

552
00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:54,743
♪ Sha-la-la-la, la-la-la ♪

553
00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:57,913
ROB: Rock stars of the early
'90s taught me, you know,

554
00:24:57,996 --> 00:25:00,415
what rock stardom was
and how it felt.

555
00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:02,375
And what they told me
is that it was terrible.

556
00:25:02,417 --> 00:25:04,419
Trent Reznor holding
the microphone with both hands.

557
00:25:04,503 --> 00:25:07,839
And this, "My head is so heavy
with the weights

558
00:25:07,923 --> 00:25:09,799
of my rock stardom."
That's Trent Reznor.

559
00:25:09,883 --> 00:25:13,178
Whereas "Mr. Jones,"
it's like this.

560
00:25:13,261 --> 00:25:16,097
♪ Mr. Jones and me ♪

561
00:25:16,181 --> 00:25:19,267
ROB: He understands
that the thing he wants

562
00:25:19,351 --> 00:25:21,853
will probably destroy him.

563
00:25:21,937 --> 00:25:23,605
The darkness of this song

564
00:25:24,231 --> 00:25:25,857
is immediately apparent,

565
00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:28,944
and is only sort of darkened
by the bounciness

566
00:25:29,027 --> 00:25:30,278
of the presentation.

567
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,659
♪ Coming through his stereo
When everybody loves me ♪

568
00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:40,956
♪ I will never be lonely ♪

569
00:25:40,997 --> 00:25:43,416
ADAM: "Mr. Jones" is about
dreaming about
being a rock star,

570
00:25:43,458 --> 00:25:44,626
but it's also about

571
00:25:44,709 --> 00:25:46,878
how it's not going to turn out
to be what you think it is.

572
00:25:46,962 --> 00:25:48,713
I mean, when he keeps saying,
"When everybody loves me,

573
00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:49,965
I'll never be lonely,"

574
00:25:50,006 --> 00:25:51,174
you're supposed
to know that's wrong,

575
00:25:51,258 --> 00:25:52,968
and it's not
just about dreaming,

576
00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:55,428
that it's about an emptiness
in there, too.

577
00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:57,472
Which doesn't invalidate
the dream.

578
00:25:57,514 --> 00:25:59,474
Dream is great,
but nothing solves everything,

579
00:25:59,558 --> 00:26:02,310
just like being a rock star
doesn't fix it all.

580
00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:03,895
You've got to fix
your shit yourself.

581
00:26:05,021 --> 00:26:08,066
♪ We're gonna be big stars ♪

582
00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:11,361
The lucky thing was
that sometime in that fall,

583
00:26:11,444 --> 00:26:13,989
we had played Irving Plaza
opening for Cracker,

584
00:26:14,072 --> 00:26:15,282
and we had a great show.

585
00:26:15,323 --> 00:26:18,034
And they pushed us back
on stage to do an encore

586
00:26:18,118 --> 00:26:19,995
as an opening band,
which just doesn't happen.

587
00:26:20,036 --> 00:26:21,830
In the audience that night
was Marci Klein,

588
00:26:21,913 --> 00:26:22,998
Calvin Klein's daughter,

589
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,500
who was the booker
for Saturday Night Live.

590
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:26,710
They called and asked us

591
00:26:26,793 --> 00:26:28,169
if we'd be on the show
after that.

592
00:26:28,211 --> 00:26:31,756
They said, " 'Mr. Jones first,
and then maybe 'Round Here,'

593
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,717
but they both got
to be cut down."

594
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,510
You know, there are two songs
on Saturday Night Live,

595
00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:37,679
and one is,
the difference in viewership

596
00:26:37,762 --> 00:26:39,472
between one
and the other is massive.

597
00:26:40,849 --> 00:26:42,517
I really wanted to play
"Round Here,"

598
00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:44,144
and I wanted to play
the whole song,

599
00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:47,022
and I thought it was the thing
that would define us for people.

600
00:26:47,063 --> 00:26:49,274
"Mr. Jones" is a great song,

601
00:26:49,357 --> 00:26:51,151
but it's a lot like
a lot of other songs.

602
00:26:51,192 --> 00:26:53,361
"Round Here"
is not like anything.

603
00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:56,698
They disagreed.
They wanted us to play the hit.

604
00:26:56,740 --> 00:26:59,200
ADAM: Finally,
Saturday Night Live agreed.

605
00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:00,577
We could play "Round Here,"

606
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:02,078
and then we could play
"Mr. Jones,"

607
00:27:02,162 --> 00:27:04,122
and we could play them both
at the full length.

608
00:27:04,205 --> 00:27:06,374
MATT MALLEY: You do a rehearsal,
then you hang out

609
00:27:06,458 --> 00:27:10,170
and don't leave the building.
I was so overly excited,

610
00:27:10,211 --> 00:27:13,381
I couldn't relax, I couldn't
look anyone in the face.

611
00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:14,883
ADAM:
We'd never been on TV before.

612
00:27:14,966 --> 00:27:18,261
Everyone seemed like a gigantic,
famous person.

613
00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:20,764
The very first day we got there,
they're like, "Oh, by the way,

614
00:27:20,847 --> 00:27:22,807
I gotta tell you, just to get
the scheduling right,

615
00:27:22,891 --> 00:27:24,809
we've actually rethought
a bunch of this stuff,

616
00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:26,936
and you're gonna play
"Mr. Jones" first,

617
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:29,105
and "Round Here" will be
the second song.

618
00:27:29,564 --> 00:27:31,191
And...

619
00:27:31,232 --> 00:27:34,277
You're gonna need
to cut probably a minute

620
00:27:34,361 --> 00:27:36,363
to a minute and a half
off of each song.

621
00:27:36,404 --> 00:27:37,822
Basically, everything
we'd agreed on

622
00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:39,074
was thrown out the window.

623
00:27:39,115 --> 00:27:41,576
And I said,
"No, we have an agreement.

624
00:27:41,660 --> 00:27:42,911
You promised us this."

625
00:27:43,953 --> 00:27:45,914
They said, "Yeah,
we can't do anything about it.

626
00:27:45,955 --> 00:27:48,708
It's just, you know,
with TV shows."

627
00:27:49,501 --> 00:27:50,960
And I said, "No."

628
00:27:51,044 --> 00:27:53,380
Adam just said, "No,
we're not going to do that."

629
00:27:53,421 --> 00:27:55,840
And was threatening
just to walk.

630
00:27:55,924 --> 00:27:58,259
Which, you know, takes a lot.

631
00:27:58,301 --> 00:28:00,470
I mean, anybody would die
to have a break

632
00:28:00,553 --> 00:28:01,846
on Saturday Night Live.

633
00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:03,598
ADAM: It's the biggest moment
in our lives.

634
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,642
And we've got
to do it the right way.

635
00:28:05,725 --> 00:28:06,935
Otherwise,
I don't wanna do it.

636
00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:09,145
I can't imagine that everybody
thought it was

637
00:28:09,229 --> 00:28:10,605
a good idea to fight over that.

638
00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:12,857
I'm supporting Adam here.
I'm not, like, blaming him.

639
00:28:12,941 --> 00:28:15,819
But in the times he's done
that over the years,

640
00:28:15,902 --> 00:28:17,654
he's pissed a lot
of people off.

641
00:28:17,737 --> 00:28:20,782
He's in charge of the band,
and he makes decisions.

642
00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:22,784
He doesn't really
consult anybody.

643
00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:24,119
It's his thing.

644
00:28:24,202 --> 00:28:26,037
One of the reasons
we've stuck together so long

645
00:28:26,121 --> 00:28:29,958
is because we all accept that.
Yeah. It's okay.

646
00:28:29,999 --> 00:28:32,460
Sometimes it's not okay,
but mostly, it's okay.

647
00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:35,964
Ladies and gentlemen,
Counting Crows.

648
00:28:36,005 --> 00:28:39,134
(CROWD CHEERING, APPLAUDING)

649
00:28:39,175 --> 00:28:42,887
♪ Step out the front door
Like a ghost into the fog ♪

650
00:28:42,971 --> 00:28:48,435
♪ Where no one notices
The contrast of white on white ♪

651
00:28:48,476 --> 00:28:50,437
DAVE: It's easy
to lose concentration,

652
00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:51,980
and all of a sudden
you go clunk,

653
00:28:52,063 --> 00:28:55,316
and it's there to get replayed
over and over and over.

654
00:28:55,358 --> 00:28:56,818
And we all knew that.

655
00:28:56,901 --> 00:28:58,653
If we didn't discuss it,
you just know it.

656
00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:02,323
♪ I walk in the air
Between the rain ♪

657
00:29:02,407 --> 00:29:05,034
♪ Through myself
And back again, where? ♪

658
00:29:05,118 --> 00:29:06,661
ADAM: All I could
think about was,

659
00:29:06,703 --> 00:29:08,872
"I'm gonna go do the thing
I do really well, like,

660
00:29:08,955 --> 00:29:10,915
and it doesn't matter about
the cameras."

661
00:29:10,999 --> 00:29:17,630
♪ Round here,
We always stand up straight

662
00:29:21,217 --> 00:29:23,219
♪ 'Round here ♪

663
00:29:24,929 --> 00:29:28,349
♪ Something radiates ♪

664
00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:31,060
MATT: And Adam,
of course, was electric

665
00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:33,229
and you put Adam in front
of a camera

666
00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,190
and he comes to life.

667
00:29:35,231 --> 00:29:36,858
♪ Suitcase in her hand ♪

668
00:29:36,941 --> 00:29:39,486
♪ And says she'd like
To meet a boy ♪

669
00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:43,072
♪ Who looks like Elvis
And she walks... ♪

670
00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:46,034
That song has such drama,
you know, and as we played it,

671
00:29:46,075 --> 00:29:48,036
I was so lost. Just gone.

672
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,705
I mean, it just built
to this huge climax.

673
00:29:50,747 --> 00:29:53,666
♪ She must be tired
Of something ♪

674
00:29:53,708 --> 00:30:00,215
♪ Round here,
She's always on my mind ♪

675
00:30:00,256 --> 00:30:01,424
DAN: It was like a rocket ship.

676
00:30:01,508 --> 00:30:03,551
There's a part
where he just goes, like,

677
00:30:03,593 --> 00:30:05,094
to another level at the end.
And, I would...

678
00:30:05,178 --> 00:30:07,055
I screamed at him on stage.

679
00:30:07,096 --> 00:30:09,682
I was, like, screaming, like,
"Yeah, go!" (CHUCKLES)

680
00:30:09,724 --> 00:30:13,728
♪ We stay up very, very,
Very, very late ♪

681
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:18,775
♪ I can't see nothing, nothing ♪

682
00:30:19,526 --> 00:30:22,153
♪ 'Round here ♪

683
00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:26,574
♪ Will you catch me
If I'm falling ♪

684
00:30:26,616 --> 00:30:31,246
♪ 'Catch me
'Cause I'm falling down on you ♪

685
00:30:32,497 --> 00:30:34,249
♪ I said I'm under... ♪

686
00:30:34,290 --> 00:30:36,835
DAVE: I think
we really played it as well
as we possibly could have.

687
00:30:36,918 --> 00:30:38,086
And it was on live TV.

688
00:30:38,127 --> 00:30:44,133
♪ 'Round here ♪

689
00:30:44,217 --> 00:30:45,635
♪ (SONG CONCLUDES) ♪

690
00:30:45,718 --> 00:30:46,928
ADAM: I thought we had
just played

691
00:30:46,970 --> 00:30:49,138
a fucking spectacular version
of that song.

692
00:30:49,222 --> 00:30:51,099
-(CROWD CHEERING)
-(SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY)

693
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:52,976
ADAM: Marci Klein was up
in the balcony

694
00:30:53,059 --> 00:30:54,602
with Gary when we played it.

695
00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:59,107
And she said, "Boy, your band?"
He says, "Yeah."

696
00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:00,775
She goes,
"They're really great."

697
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:02,110
He says, "Yeah."

698
00:31:02,193 --> 00:31:05,488
"Your friend, Adam..." "Yeah?"
"He's a fucking asshole."

699
00:31:06,656 --> 00:31:09,033
We've never been
on Saturday Night Live again.

700
00:31:09,117 --> 00:31:12,120
Never. But it made our career.

701
00:31:12,161 --> 00:31:13,663
DAVID LETTERMAN:
This is their debut album here.

702
00:31:13,746 --> 00:31:15,832
It's entitled
August and Everything After.

703
00:31:15,915 --> 00:31:18,626
And I'm telling you something,
if you don't have a copy of this

704
00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:20,962
there's something wrong
with you.

705
00:31:21,004 --> 00:31:24,007
♪ ("A MURDER OF ONE"
BY COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

706
00:31:27,468 --> 00:31:29,429
♪ (INAUDIBLE SINGING) ♪

707
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:37,896
ADAM: The two weeks
following Saturday Night Live

708
00:31:37,979 --> 00:31:40,565
were the first headline shows
we played.

709
00:31:40,648 --> 00:31:42,525
Those few weeks
were, like, the best tour ever,

710
00:31:42,609 --> 00:31:45,236
because we could do anything
on stage we wanted to.

711
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,822
DAVE: That whole period
was crazy surreal.

712
00:31:47,864 --> 00:31:51,826
Being in a van in Sacramento,
listening to the radio,

713
00:31:51,868 --> 00:31:53,661
and then we came on the radio.

714
00:31:53,745 --> 00:31:56,331
And we just went nuts,
you know? (LAUGHS)

715
00:31:56,414 --> 00:31:58,082
And we just plowed ahead
and, you know,

716
00:31:58,166 --> 00:31:59,834
it's just this great period
of our lives

717
00:31:59,876 --> 00:32:01,711
of becoming a big band.

718
00:32:03,504 --> 00:32:05,173
♪ ...is such a shame... ♪

719
00:32:05,256 --> 00:32:06,341
DAVE: It was a crazy time.

720
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:09,844
It was unstable,
but just thrilling.

721
00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:13,264
Being on stage with Adam
was, like, really exhilarating,

722
00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,183
because I'd never
even come close

723
00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:17,894
to playing music
with anyone like Adam.

724
00:32:17,977 --> 00:32:19,896
Some people have it,
some people don't.

725
00:32:19,979 --> 00:32:21,481
Adam had it. (CHUCKLES)

726
00:32:23,483 --> 00:32:26,027
We were just getting bigger
and bigger, and bigger,

727
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:29,030
and now we're opening
for The Stones.

728
00:32:29,113 --> 00:32:31,366
ADAM: I don't think you grow up
and dream of opening for people.

729
00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:32,784
I mean, you grow up
and dream of being a musician

730
00:32:32,867 --> 00:32:33,910
or being a songwriter
or whatever.

731
00:32:33,993 --> 00:32:35,703
I mean, I will say this, though.

732
00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:37,872
What Mick Jagger was doing
at age 20,

733
00:32:37,914 --> 00:32:40,041
it made me want to get up
from behind the piano and,

734
00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:42,251
you know, be a singer
and just stand up and sing.

735
00:32:43,169 --> 00:32:44,671
CHRIS:
August and Everything After

736
00:32:44,712 --> 00:32:48,174
came out in 1993, so I was 17.

737
00:32:48,216 --> 00:32:50,301
The only bands I really knew
were Nirvana and Pearl Jam

738
00:32:50,385 --> 00:32:51,928
and Sound. All the grunge.

739
00:32:52,011 --> 00:32:54,555
But it just had this, kind of,
exotic, desert-y,

740
00:32:54,639 --> 00:32:57,517
open, plain freedom of spirit

741
00:32:57,558 --> 00:33:00,269
that I think for 17-year-olds
just felt like,

742
00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,064
"Wow, how do I get
to that state of being?"

743
00:33:03,106 --> 00:33:05,566
I don't think
we understood much about,

744
00:33:05,608 --> 00:33:08,319
you know, the daily torture
of Adam's life or anything.

745
00:33:08,403 --> 00:33:12,407
I think it just sounded like
a free spirit flying.

746
00:33:14,367 --> 00:33:15,868
ROB:
I can picture that album cover,

747
00:33:15,910 --> 00:33:18,413
August and Everything After
so clearly,

748
00:33:18,454 --> 00:33:21,332
it was part of the quilt
of alternative rock.

749
00:33:21,416 --> 00:33:25,086
It seemed immediately important
and immediately huge.

750
00:33:25,128 --> 00:33:29,090
The sullen, the literary,
journaling teenager, you know,

751
00:33:29,173 --> 00:33:31,009
like, this is your shit
right here.

752
00:33:31,092 --> 00:33:33,720
♪ ("OMAHA"
BY COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

753
00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:41,894
ADAM: We got to Europe,
and Rolling Stone had decided

754
00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:43,146
to put us on the cover.

755
00:33:43,229 --> 00:33:46,274
But I was dicey about that,
too, because even though,

756
00:33:46,357 --> 00:33:48,776
obviously, you gotta go
on the cover of Rolling Stone,

757
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:51,112
I couldn't help but think
what my life was gonna be like

758
00:33:51,195 --> 00:33:53,281
after that
and how much it would change.

759
00:33:53,322 --> 00:33:55,408
Because I was very shy.

760
00:33:56,409 --> 00:33:58,661
DAVID: I was assigned
to go over to Paris

761
00:33:58,745 --> 00:34:02,790
and do a cover story on them
as things started to explode.

762
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:05,460
But I think I fell in love
with the record

763
00:34:05,501 --> 00:34:08,045
on a, like, all-night flight
to Paris.

764
00:34:08,129 --> 00:34:09,464
I couldn't sleep,

765
00:34:09,547 --> 00:34:12,467
and I just listened over
and over again.

766
00:34:12,507 --> 00:34:14,594
And that was
when the album hit me.

767
00:34:14,635 --> 00:34:19,806
I became that rare rock critic
that loved Counting Crows

768
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:21,266
and still does.

769
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,145
ADAM: It's hard to describe
to people now,

770
00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:26,481
but magazine stands
were everywhere,

771
00:34:26,563 --> 00:34:28,065
and Rolling Stone
was in the front

772
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:30,985
and they had like a whole rack
of Rolling Stone.

773
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:33,321
And that's your face
on every street corner

774
00:34:33,404 --> 00:34:35,281
in every airport,
in every bus station,

775
00:34:35,322 --> 00:34:38,784
in every-- Everywhere.
Your anonymity is fucking gone.

776
00:34:38,826 --> 00:34:41,161
And I couldn't help thinking

777
00:34:41,245 --> 00:34:43,831
about that-- there
were real repercussions

778
00:34:43,915 --> 00:34:44,998
to saying yes to that,

779
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:46,918
even though there's no way
you're saying no.

780
00:34:50,254 --> 00:34:53,007
The entire photo shoot
in Paris was useless.

781
00:34:53,049 --> 00:34:56,969
I looked like a donkey.
Like, I was so fucking mopey.

782
00:34:57,011 --> 00:34:58,513
The whole band,
everyone was furious

783
00:34:58,554 --> 00:35:00,181
at each other, too.
It was raining,

784
00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:01,641
the weather
was fucking horrible,

785
00:35:01,682 --> 00:35:03,351
and nothing came out.

786
00:35:04,393 --> 00:35:05,895
It was terrible. They're all
in black and white,

787
00:35:05,978 --> 00:35:07,480
and we're like...

788
00:35:07,522 --> 00:35:08,898
Like, fuck, it's rock and roll.

789
00:35:08,981 --> 00:35:11,526
Black and white pictures
of people moping, theoretically,

790
00:35:11,567 --> 00:35:13,027
are exactly what you want.

791
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:15,404
After all, we're dark
and sad people.

792
00:35:15,488 --> 00:35:17,865
But it's so bad
that you can't even use them.

793
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:20,034
They look like a joke
about moping,

794
00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:21,953
like a parody of a band.

795
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:26,082
My memory is we had
this amazing day,

796
00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:28,084
sort of,
just walking around Paris,

797
00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:30,086
and when we got back
to the hotel,

798
00:35:30,169 --> 00:35:31,879
we were sitting in the lobby,

799
00:35:31,921 --> 00:35:34,549
and I think
that's when Adam got the call.

800
00:35:34,632 --> 00:35:36,592
The woman
at the front desk said,

801
00:35:36,676 --> 00:35:38,010
"Is there an Adam Duritz here?

802
00:35:38,052 --> 00:35:39,762
Can you pick up
the courtesy phone?"

803
00:35:39,846 --> 00:35:42,223
And it's Gary Gersh.

804
00:35:42,306 --> 00:35:44,392
He was the president of Capitol
and he left

805
00:35:44,433 --> 00:35:46,394
before we finished
mixing the record,

806
00:35:46,477 --> 00:35:48,771
but I was still
like his little brother,

807
00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:51,274
and his other little brother
was Kurt Cobain.

808
00:35:55,987 --> 00:35:57,572
Hi, I'm Kurt Loder
with MTV News.

809
00:35:57,613 --> 00:35:59,157
Nirvana leader, Kurt Cobain,

810
00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:01,742
extraordinarily gifted singer,
songwriter, and guitarist,

811
00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:04,162
was found dead in Seattle
on Friday morning,

812
00:36:04,245 --> 00:36:05,621
apparently a suicide.

813
00:36:05,705 --> 00:36:08,583
♪ (SOMBER MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

814
00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:12,461
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

815
00:36:13,671 --> 00:36:16,841
DAVID: It was this big
and horrible moment

816
00:36:16,924 --> 00:36:18,342
for him more than any of us,

817
00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:20,052
because he actually
did know Kurt.

818
00:36:20,094 --> 00:36:21,637
I was just a fan.

819
00:36:21,721 --> 00:36:23,514
I had been around,
but I didn't know him.

820
00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:26,309
He was very upset
when Kurt Cobain died,

821
00:36:26,392 --> 00:36:28,269
and I think it
really freaked him out.

822
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,981
ADAM: We both had some
of the same struggles,

823
00:36:32,064 --> 00:36:33,900
but I'm not handling it well.

824
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:37,153
It's why a lot
of this stuff was so scary

825
00:36:37,236 --> 00:36:39,322
because for me, I knew...
Nobody else knew,

826
00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:41,157
but I knew that
I had a serious mental illness

827
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:42,742
and there was a big problem.

828
00:36:42,783 --> 00:36:45,119
I'm on all these medications
that are, kind of, for...

829
00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:46,913
I don't think I'm bipolar,

830
00:36:46,954 --> 00:36:48,372
but they're treating me
for bipolarity

831
00:36:48,456 --> 00:36:50,249
and it was scary.

832
00:36:50,291 --> 00:36:52,335
DAN: He didn't have
any substance issues.

833
00:36:52,418 --> 00:36:55,296
Like he wasn't drinking heavily,
he doesn't do drugs.

834
00:36:55,338 --> 00:36:57,924
I was more worried
that he was just gonna quit.

835
00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:01,219
MATT: Adam was trying
to put the brakes

836
00:37:01,302 --> 00:37:02,845
on the excitement around us.

837
00:37:02,929 --> 00:37:04,138
And you couldn't stop it.

838
00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:05,973
The first record
was a smash record.

839
00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:09,644
You can't just slow it down
if the public's eating it up.

840
00:37:09,685 --> 00:37:12,188
But Adam wanted
to slow everything down.

841
00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:17,318
INTERVIEWER:
Success has arrived.

842
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,196
Do you think that you will
be given the time

843
00:37:20,279 --> 00:37:22,490
you need to develop
in your own rhythm?

844
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:24,992
And do you have
the patience yourself?

845
00:37:26,285 --> 00:37:28,329
Uh, no.

846
00:37:28,412 --> 00:37:29,789
INTERVIEWER: No? (LAUGHS)

847
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:31,540
No, I think
it's already too late.

848
00:37:32,833 --> 00:37:35,503
INTERVIEWER:
So, the pace has gotten faster?

849
00:37:35,586 --> 00:37:37,797
Yeah, the pace
is a little too fast these days.

850
00:37:37,838 --> 00:37:40,007
-INTERVIEWER: Mm-hmm.
-ADAM: For me.

851
00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:41,259
INTERVIEWER: Yeah,
so will you be able

852
00:37:41,342 --> 00:37:44,136
to take time out
when you come back to America?

853
00:37:44,178 --> 00:37:46,305
-No.
-INTERVIEWER: No. Mm-hmm.

854
00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:52,228
ADAM: When we came back
from Europe

855
00:37:52,311 --> 00:37:53,813
and we landed in New Orleans.

856
00:37:53,854 --> 00:37:55,606
I went down there
to the festival

857
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:57,900
at the fairgrounds
and got mobbed.

858
00:37:57,984 --> 00:37:59,527
I had no idea
what was happening,

859
00:37:59,568 --> 00:38:00,653
but suddenly, like...

860
00:38:02,488 --> 00:38:04,448
people, a huge crowd
just surrounding me,

861
00:38:04,532 --> 00:38:08,160
and it's like-- I'd been
overseas while it happened.

862
00:38:08,202 --> 00:38:13,082
I didn't realize that it had...
hit that high watermark

863
00:38:13,165 --> 00:38:14,709
or something. Like...

864
00:38:14,792 --> 00:38:16,961
But now it was, like, a mania.

865
00:38:17,044 --> 00:38:18,462
But the weird thing
that happened that summer

866
00:38:18,546 --> 00:38:22,383
was that was the change
from playing indie rock shows

867
00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:24,844
to playing mania shows

868
00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:27,388
where everybody just wants
to hear "Mr. Jones."

869
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:29,640
(CROWD CHEERING IN DISTANCE)

870
00:38:31,225 --> 00:38:34,437
MARY-LOUISE: I feel like it was
at the Greek Theater maybe.

871
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,272
He was like,
"Just come on stage with me."

872
00:38:42,611 --> 00:38:45,031
We walked out,
the lights went down,

873
00:38:45,072 --> 00:38:47,074
and, like, the sound...

874
00:38:47,158 --> 00:38:50,411
(CROWD CHEERING)

875
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:53,039
I've acted on stage
my whole adult life,

876
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,248
but not with that many people

877
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:56,500
and not with that, kind of,
sensation where you walk out

878
00:38:56,584 --> 00:38:59,462
and it's almost like being hit
with a wave.

879
00:38:59,545 --> 00:39:01,422
I can't even...
I can't even describe it.

880
00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:03,758
The sound was so overwhelming

881
00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:06,344
and just the feeling
of anticipation,

882
00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:09,138
just all, kind of,
rushing at you.

883
00:39:09,221 --> 00:39:12,975
I was like,
"Oh, this is why he's...

884
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:15,478
you know, he's struggling."

885
00:39:15,561 --> 00:39:19,774
I started listening
to August and Everything After.

886
00:39:19,815 --> 00:39:22,234
It was automatically,

887
00:39:22,276 --> 00:39:24,195
as soon as I heard it,
my favorite album.

888
00:39:24,987 --> 00:39:26,364
I was living in the Bay,

889
00:39:26,447 --> 00:39:29,283
so we became pretty
close friends.

890
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:32,661
But I think Adam and I have
a similar disposition,

891
00:39:32,745 --> 00:39:35,247
actually on the quiet
and shy side,

892
00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:38,125
but doing something that,
you know,

893
00:39:38,167 --> 00:39:41,462
you're performing in front
of thousands of people.

894
00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:43,964
So, that's a weird thing
to reconcile

895
00:39:44,006 --> 00:39:46,300
when people start
recognizing you.

896
00:39:46,342 --> 00:39:49,637
On the one hand,
it's incredibly flattering.

897
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,098
On the other hand, it's--
You, kind of, like your privacy

898
00:39:52,139 --> 00:39:54,809
and you feel
a little self-conscious.

899
00:39:54,850 --> 00:39:59,105
Being able to figure that out
as you're expanding

900
00:39:59,146 --> 00:40:02,483
and dealing with that notoriety,
is a weird vibe.

901
00:40:02,566 --> 00:40:05,027
I led the Chainsaw Kittens.

902
00:40:05,111 --> 00:40:06,112
I knew him

903
00:40:06,153 --> 00:40:09,281
because you couldn't not
know him at that point.

904
00:40:10,366 --> 00:40:12,785
I really got to see

905
00:40:12,827 --> 00:40:18,082
how they were massively
overexposed, basically.

906
00:40:18,165 --> 00:40:19,500
We would just be walking

907
00:40:19,583 --> 00:40:22,837
and some random person
would come up

908
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,672
and be like, "You're that guy,"

909
00:40:24,755 --> 00:40:29,135
not absolutely knowing
what the band's name was

910
00:40:29,176 --> 00:40:31,762
or who he was,
but that he was that guy

911
00:40:31,846 --> 00:40:33,931
that they'd seen on television.

912
00:40:35,474 --> 00:40:38,185
ADAM: There was a movie theater
a few blocks from our hotel.

913
00:40:38,227 --> 00:40:40,855
I sat down in the movies.
There's no one in the theater.

914
00:40:40,896 --> 00:40:42,398
The door opens in the back.

915
00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:44,567
This guy walks
to where I'm sitting

916
00:40:44,650 --> 00:40:47,820
and then sits down
right next to me and says,

917
00:40:47,862 --> 00:40:50,322
"Hey, man, are you the guy
from Counting Crows?"

918
00:40:50,364 --> 00:40:51,866
-♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYING) ♪
-And I said, "Yeah."

919
00:40:51,907 --> 00:40:53,993
And he goes,
"it's cool if I sit here?"

920
00:40:54,034 --> 00:40:55,244
I said, "Look, man,
I'm just trying

921
00:40:55,327 --> 00:40:56,370
to have an afternoon off.

922
00:40:56,412 --> 00:40:58,038
I'm just trying to have
a little bit of time."

923
00:40:58,122 --> 00:41:01,876
"Okay, man."
He gets up and he leaves.

924
00:41:01,917 --> 00:41:04,879
About half-hour later,
door opens in the back again.

925
00:41:04,962 --> 00:41:06,213
Guy comes
walking down the aisle.

926
00:41:06,297 --> 00:41:07,923
I'm like, "Man,
can you just fucking leave me?"

927
00:41:08,007 --> 00:41:09,341
And it's not him.

928
00:41:09,383 --> 00:41:11,010
It's just a guy that was
at the concession stand.

929
00:41:11,051 --> 00:41:12,803
Then he said, 'Hey, man,
I don't know what's going on,

930
00:41:12,887 --> 00:41:14,472
but there's somebody
in the lobby

931
00:41:14,555 --> 00:41:16,891
that's been on the phone
for the last 30 or 40 minutes

932
00:41:16,932 --> 00:41:19,185
calling everyone he knows,
telling them you're here,

933
00:41:19,226 --> 00:41:21,645
and there's like 200 people
outside right now."

934
00:41:21,729 --> 00:41:23,063
I go,
"You're fucking kidding me."

935
00:41:23,147 --> 00:41:24,899
He goes, "No, look,
if you want to sneak out,

936
00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:27,151
there's like an exit
at the bottom."

937
00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,778
So, I go out there,
I sneak down this alley,

938
00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:31,405
and I start
to walk up the street,

939
00:41:31,447 --> 00:41:34,950
and then I hear this guy yell,
and I had to run for it.

940
00:41:35,034 --> 00:41:36,494
Like, this huge crowd of people

941
00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,246
comes chasing me back
to our hotel.

942
00:41:39,330 --> 00:41:42,124
And it just freaked me out.

943
00:41:42,208 --> 00:41:44,752
It's like if you woke up
one morning on Mars, you know?

944
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,088
It takes a little while
to get used to the gravity.

945
00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:51,634
DAVID: I'd hear him
complaining about it

946
00:41:51,717 --> 00:41:53,260
and I was like, "What,
you're having success.

947
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:54,303
What's the problem, you know?"

948
00:41:54,386 --> 00:41:56,805
And I meet Adam for lunch.

949
00:41:56,889 --> 00:41:58,474
We're sitting at the table,
me, and him,

950
00:41:58,557 --> 00:42:00,518
and a couple of other friends,
and this, like,

951
00:42:00,601 --> 00:42:03,604
six-year-old girl
comes walking up and like,

952
00:42:03,687 --> 00:42:05,272
"Excuse me,
can I get your autograph?"

953
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,525
And he goes
to reach for whatever she has,

954
00:42:07,608 --> 00:42:09,777
and suddenly,
her mother jumps out

955
00:42:09,818 --> 00:42:13,614
from behind this bush, you know,
and, like, knocks the kid away.

956
00:42:13,697 --> 00:42:15,449
"Oh, my God,
I'm such a huge fan,

957
00:42:15,533 --> 00:42:16,951
can I get my picture with you?"

958
00:42:16,992 --> 00:42:18,786
You know, it's like,
"Oh, my God."

959
00:42:18,827 --> 00:42:21,038
That's when I was like, "Oh.

960
00:42:21,121 --> 00:42:23,791
"Oh, I guess it's really
a lot more that going on

961
00:42:23,832 --> 00:42:26,835
than I thought was going
on, you know?"

962
00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:28,629
DAVE: In the early days
with his dreads,

963
00:42:28,671 --> 00:42:30,548
he was very recognizable.

964
00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:34,343
The "Mr. Jones" video was huge,
which made him, you know,

965
00:42:35,177 --> 00:42:37,513
this person
who was super famous.

966
00:42:37,596 --> 00:42:39,974
I mean, he couldn't go anywhere
without someone recognizing him.

967
00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:42,893
I think our experience
was radically different.

968
00:42:42,977 --> 00:42:46,564
I'm a Little League coach,
and I'm a guy in a band.

969
00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:49,149
Like, I wasn't...
I'm still not famous.

970
00:42:49,191 --> 00:42:52,278
I'm just in this famous band,
you know?

971
00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:55,322
So, there's battling with fame
and there's also, you know,

972
00:42:55,406 --> 00:42:57,533
being on the road
for three years, which,

973
00:42:57,616 --> 00:43:00,744
you know, from going from zero
to three years,

974
00:43:00,828 --> 00:43:03,330
which it was a great move
for us to do.

975
00:43:03,372 --> 00:43:05,207
He was adamant about the fact
that we weren't

976
00:43:05,291 --> 00:43:06,834
just gonna be this band
on the radio.

977
00:43:06,875 --> 00:43:09,295
We were going to be
a band you could go see live.

978
00:43:09,336 --> 00:43:13,173
But touring for three years
pretty constantly is,

979
00:43:13,257 --> 00:43:16,010
you know...
That'll do your head in as well.

980
00:43:16,969 --> 00:43:18,512
CHARLIE:
Travel is reality challenging.

981
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:21,015
You can't tell
what's real anymore, right?

982
00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:23,225
Everybody's a little
dissociated out on the road,

983
00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:24,351
'cause you don't know
where you are.

984
00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:25,477
You don't know what day it is,
you know?

985
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,479
You're waking up
in a different bed every day,

986
00:43:27,521 --> 00:43:29,023
and it's a different planet.

987
00:43:29,064 --> 00:43:30,858
And you find
that all your memories

988
00:43:30,899 --> 00:43:33,068
are disconnected, you know,
like things that happened

989
00:43:33,152 --> 00:43:34,570
a month ago,
they seem like they happened

990
00:43:34,653 --> 00:43:36,322
a couple of days ago.
And then things that happened

991
00:43:36,363 --> 00:43:37,740
a couple of days ago
seem like it was--

992
00:43:37,823 --> 00:43:39,325
When was that?
That was weeks ago, you know?

993
00:43:39,366 --> 00:43:40,951
Because you're completely
mixed up.

994
00:43:41,035 --> 00:43:42,745
You don't have anything constant
in your life

995
00:43:42,828 --> 00:43:44,371
except the show
to keep you going.

996
00:43:44,455 --> 00:43:47,374
So, it's rough
being on the road.

997
00:43:47,416 --> 00:43:49,752
MATT: There was this era
when people wanted

998
00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:50,878
to just hear the hits,

999
00:43:50,961 --> 00:43:52,796
and those people
are not even music fans.

1000
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,883
They just want their radio
to happen at their concert.

1001
00:43:55,924 --> 00:43:57,509
I think when you go
to a concert,

1002
00:43:57,551 --> 00:43:58,636
you wanna hear the song

1003
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,429
the way you hear it
in your head.

1004
00:44:00,512 --> 00:44:02,765
You know, you want them
to play the hits

1005
00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:05,893
exactly as they are,
exactly as you love them.

1006
00:44:05,976 --> 00:44:08,729
And Adam Duritz
does not do that.

1007
00:44:08,812 --> 00:44:10,898
♪ ("RAIN KING" PLAYING) ♪

1008
00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:12,399
SARAH UPHOFF:
He was making fun of me.

1009
00:44:12,483 --> 00:44:14,568
"Pantera Sarah" was started
as an insult

1010
00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:16,737
and making fun of the fact
that I like metal.

1011
00:44:16,779 --> 00:44:17,738
I don't remember.

1012
00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:19,573
I thought I gave her
the name Pantera Sarah.

1013
00:44:19,615 --> 00:44:21,408
Adam was like, "Oh, Pantera."

1014
00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:24,161
And I was like,
"Yeah, I like Pantera."

1015
00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:25,954
And he's like,
"Into heavy metal?"

1016
00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:28,582
And I'm like, "At least they put
on a hell of a stage show.

1017
00:44:28,624 --> 00:44:29,667
Can't say the same for you."

1018
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:33,003
(LAUGHS) I didn't know that.
I don't remember that.

1019
00:44:33,087 --> 00:44:35,923
"I saw you in Milwaukee,
walked out after four songs."

1020
00:44:36,006 --> 00:44:38,258
It's the first thing I said
to Adam when I met him.

1021
00:44:38,300 --> 00:44:39,468
And he was like, "What?"

1022
00:44:39,551 --> 00:44:41,595
And I said, "Eagles Ballroom,
you sucked.

1023
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:43,138
Me and my girlfriend
walked out."

1024
00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:45,599
And he was like,
"I remember that show."

1025
00:44:45,641 --> 00:44:47,393
That was during that summer
where I was like...

1026
00:44:47,434 --> 00:44:48,936
By the time I got
on stage every night,

1027
00:44:49,019 --> 00:44:50,104
I was so angry.

1028
00:44:50,145 --> 00:44:52,648
The audiences were terrible
to our opening bands.

1029
00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:54,608
I mean, fucking terrible.

1030
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:56,819
They care about getting
to us and seeing "Mr. Jones,"

1031
00:44:56,902 --> 00:44:58,612
and they're booing
the other bands.

1032
00:44:58,696 --> 00:45:00,614
And some of them
were friends of mine,

1033
00:45:00,698 --> 00:45:03,701
and others were idols of mine,
like in Alex's case.

1034
00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:06,286
SARAH: He had a guy named
Alex Chilton open up for him.

1035
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:07,705
Nobody had ever heard of him.

1036
00:45:07,788 --> 00:45:11,125
Milwaukee crowds
are not very forgiving.

1037
00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:13,460
When Adam came out, he was mad.

1038
00:45:13,502 --> 00:45:14,878
His friend just got booed off
the stage.

1039
00:45:14,962 --> 00:45:16,505
He was mad
at the way he was treated.

1040
00:45:16,588 --> 00:45:17,965
And I remember looking
at my girlfriend

1041
00:45:18,048 --> 00:45:21,760
after our first couple songs
of him just kinda angry singing

1042
00:45:21,802 --> 00:45:24,805
and thinking, "I don't
want this to ruin my love

1043
00:45:24,847 --> 00:45:26,932
of the Counting Crows music.
Let's leave."

1044
00:45:28,267 --> 00:45:30,144
ADAM: That experience
on the summer tour,

1045
00:45:30,185 --> 00:45:31,979
it really made it hard
to want to play.

1046
00:45:32,020 --> 00:45:33,647
And I kind
of had a little breakdown.

1047
00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:36,650
We had to cancel a few shows
on that tour at the end of it.

1048
00:45:38,861 --> 00:45:41,864
He was very fragile.
He wasn't in any way,

1049
00:45:41,947 --> 00:45:45,993
shape, or form
prepared for what happened.

1050
00:45:46,076 --> 00:45:49,580
And what happened was a lot
of huge praise

1051
00:45:49,663 --> 00:45:52,499
and a lot of huge abuse.

1052
00:45:52,541 --> 00:45:54,835
And I don't know
any human being can take that.

1053
00:45:54,918 --> 00:45:56,503
There was a legitimate backlash.

1054
00:45:56,545 --> 00:45:58,714
I mean, the funny thing is
that during those first four

1055
00:45:58,797 --> 00:46:00,924
or five months,
the reviews were incredible.

1056
00:46:01,008 --> 00:46:02,301
You know,
all these people saying,

1057
00:46:02,342 --> 00:46:03,927
"I discovered this band
and they're amazing."

1058
00:46:04,011 --> 00:46:08,682
But then it quickly pivoted.
to something else.

1059
00:46:08,766 --> 00:46:10,684
Counting Crows
wasn't particularly loved

1060
00:46:10,726 --> 00:46:12,227
in San Francisco.

1061
00:46:12,311 --> 00:46:14,897
San Francisco,
very fickle place, you know?

1062
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:18,776
And very provincially
into being cool, you know?

1063
00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:22,112
And cool back then meant trying
to sound like the Stooges

1064
00:46:22,196 --> 00:46:25,574
or butthole surfers or something
like that, you know?

1065
00:46:25,657 --> 00:46:29,369
And anything that had any width
of commerciality

1066
00:46:29,453 --> 00:46:33,081
or being able to sing
in tune was not cool, man.

1067
00:46:33,165 --> 00:46:37,085
So, when Counting Crows
actually got so successful,

1068
00:46:37,169 --> 00:46:39,922
it was reviled in San Francisco.

1069
00:46:40,005 --> 00:46:43,801
Guy walked up to me and said,
"Man, you're so lucky."

1070
00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:45,803
I said, "Thanks."
He goes, "No, no, I mean, like,

1071
00:46:45,886 --> 00:46:48,514
you're so lucky
because you guys are terrible.

1072
00:46:48,555 --> 00:46:51,892
And you've had
all this success and,

1073
00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:53,393
like, better bands haven't.

1074
00:46:53,435 --> 00:46:56,063
I mean, it's just--
Does that make you feel weird

1075
00:46:56,146 --> 00:46:58,315
to be so shitty
and be so famous?"

1076
00:46:59,107 --> 00:47:00,901
I was just like, "Man,

1077
00:47:00,984 --> 00:47:02,444
who would come up
to a total stranger

1078
00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:03,570
and just say that to him?"

1079
00:47:03,612 --> 00:47:05,405
Yeah, you get flack.

1080
00:47:05,447 --> 00:47:07,115
Listen, people used
to throw rocks

1081
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:08,909
at me for how I dressed.

1082
00:47:08,951 --> 00:47:11,578
I've had people, you know,
tell me to resign,

1083
00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:13,997
you know, email me or, you know,

1084
00:47:14,081 --> 00:47:15,833
like, "How'd that guy
get my email address?"

1085
00:47:15,916 --> 00:47:17,543
You know, that's part of it.

1086
00:47:17,584 --> 00:47:22,130
And you really
do have to somehow reconcile

1087
00:47:22,214 --> 00:47:26,468
the criticism with the life
that you get to lead.

1088
00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:29,346
♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

1089
00:47:35,394 --> 00:47:37,771
ADAM: We have a house
in North Berkeley.

1090
00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:40,148
It just seemed
like there was a party

1091
00:47:40,232 --> 00:47:41,275
on our street every night.

1092
00:47:41,316 --> 00:47:43,151
Like, it turned
into this whole party scene.

1093
00:47:43,235 --> 00:47:44,820
And then I realized
that it wasn't a big party

1094
00:47:44,903 --> 00:47:46,154
on our street,
it was that these kids

1095
00:47:46,238 --> 00:47:47,781
were camped out on our lawn.

1096
00:47:47,865 --> 00:47:49,992
They just kind of moved in
on our lawn,

1097
00:47:50,075 --> 00:47:51,410
and that's where
they were living.

1098
00:47:51,451 --> 00:47:53,328
So they could see us
through the windows every day.

1099
00:47:53,412 --> 00:47:54,997
And they were pointing us out
through the windows.

1100
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,040
And it was, like, I started
to have panic attacks,

1101
00:47:57,124 --> 00:48:00,878
like, "I can't do anything here.
I don't know where to go.

1102
00:48:00,961 --> 00:48:03,130
And everywhere I go,
it's just an issue."

1103
00:48:03,213 --> 00:48:04,798
You start to shy away
from everybody

1104
00:48:04,882 --> 00:48:06,633
when people are coming up
to you like that.

1105
00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:09,177
You know, I was about
to become a shut-in, basically.

1106
00:48:09,261 --> 00:48:10,971
So, I got
this phone call one day.

1107
00:48:11,013 --> 00:48:13,807
It was Sal Jenko
and Johnny Depp calling

1108
00:48:13,849 --> 00:48:15,309
from the Viper Room,

1109
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:16,643
And they said, "How you doing?"

1110
00:48:16,685 --> 00:48:19,938
I said,
"Things are okay, you know."

1111
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:21,607
And they said, "What's wrong?"

1112
00:48:21,648 --> 00:48:22,816
Because it was
probably pretty clear,

1113
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:25,861
and I told them.
They said, "Hang on."

1114
00:48:25,944 --> 00:48:27,321
They were mumbling some shit
to each other,

1115
00:48:27,362 --> 00:48:28,447
and they put me on hold.

1116
00:48:28,488 --> 00:48:30,449
So, they said, "Look,

1117
00:48:30,490 --> 00:48:32,159
we got you a room
at The Bel Age,

1118
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:33,827
which is the hotel
right behind the Viper.

1119
00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:36,163
We got you a seat
on the seven o'clock flight,

1120
00:48:36,246 --> 00:48:38,665
Oakland to Burbank.
We're having a party tonight.

1121
00:48:38,707 --> 00:48:41,001
It's Kate Moss's 21st birthday.

1122
00:48:41,043 --> 00:48:45,005
Just come down, and you
got to get out of there.

1123
00:48:45,088 --> 00:48:46,506
You got to get out
of there now."

1124
00:48:46,590 --> 00:48:49,509
So, I left.

1125
00:48:49,551 --> 00:48:52,262
♪ ("CONNECTION"
BY ELASTICA PLAYING) ♪

1126
00:49:01,063 --> 00:49:03,190
ADAM: That first night,
at that Kate Moss party,

1127
00:49:03,273 --> 00:49:05,025
at the height
of the supermodel thing,

1128
00:49:05,108 --> 00:49:07,110
it was every single one
of them in one room,

1129
00:49:07,194 --> 00:49:08,528
which is weird to look at.

1130
00:49:08,612 --> 00:49:10,197
Like, when you walk
through an art museum

1131
00:49:10,238 --> 00:49:12,032
and then you come
upon American Gothic,

1132
00:49:12,115 --> 00:49:14,117
and then you go up
on that stairwell on the landing

1133
00:49:14,201 --> 00:49:16,912
and there's George O'Keeffe's
Clouds, and it's really famous,

1134
00:49:16,995 --> 00:49:19,247
and then it's right
in front of you.

1135
00:49:19,331 --> 00:49:20,707
You suddenly show up
at this party

1136
00:49:20,749 --> 00:49:22,542
when you've been
having a terrible week at home,

1137
00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:26,713
and there's Elle Macpherson
and every other famous model

1138
00:49:26,797 --> 00:49:28,548
that there could possibly be.

1139
00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:31,051
And by the way,
meet William Burroughs.

1140
00:49:31,093 --> 00:49:34,221
Meet Tom Petty.
Meet Billy Gibbons.

1141
00:49:34,262 --> 00:49:35,931
Because they're all
in this little room together

1142
00:49:36,014 --> 00:49:38,976
in this clubhouse
that Johnny and Sal made.

1143
00:49:39,726 --> 00:49:42,479
♪ ...vital connection is made ♪

1144
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,357
ADAM: L.A. was
like a real refuge.

1145
00:49:45,399 --> 00:49:47,401
It seemed real magic
to me at the time.

1146
00:49:47,442 --> 00:49:50,654
Like, this whole town
full of dreamers.

1147
00:49:50,737 --> 00:49:52,406
Whether their dreams are, like,

1148
00:49:52,489 --> 00:49:54,908
shallow, or deep,
or artistic, or not.

1149
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:56,702
They didn't wanna do
what everybody else was doing.

1150
00:49:56,743 --> 00:49:59,162
And they wanted to go
make something themselves.

1151
00:49:59,246 --> 00:50:01,957
You know, dancers, sculptors,
painters, models,

1152
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,084
actors, writers,
directors, musicians.

1153
00:50:04,167 --> 00:50:07,170
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

1154
00:50:07,254 --> 00:50:08,964
SHANNON MCMANUS:
Christina Applegate bought me

1155
00:50:09,047 --> 00:50:11,133
a Nikon for Christmas,

1156
00:50:11,216 --> 00:50:13,593
one year, I think,
in '93 or '94.

1157
00:50:13,677 --> 00:50:16,096
So, I just took photos,
and you couldn't have cameras

1158
00:50:16,138 --> 00:50:17,222
in the Viper Room in those days.

1159
00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:19,266
There was no internet,
no cell phones,

1160
00:50:19,307 --> 00:50:20,767
and so, I, being the manager,

1161
00:50:20,851 --> 00:50:23,562
was able to take my Nikon
in the bar,

1162
00:50:23,603 --> 00:50:25,105
so, I have tons of photos.

1163
00:50:25,147 --> 00:50:27,774
I always had this little
Olympus stylus camera

1164
00:50:27,816 --> 00:50:29,317
that would fit
in my back pocket.

1165
00:50:29,401 --> 00:50:32,320
And it wasn't really
as any grand idea

1166
00:50:32,404 --> 00:50:36,450
more than I knew that my friends
were really fucking cool.

1167
00:50:36,491 --> 00:50:38,368
And I didn't wanna forget it.

1168
00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:40,287
SARAH: I was Instagram
before Instagram.

1169
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:42,831
Because I would take pictures,
go to the 20--

1170
00:50:42,914 --> 00:50:45,125
There was like
a 23-Minute Photo on Sunset.

1171
00:50:45,167 --> 00:50:46,752
God, I put
those people in business.

1172
00:50:46,793 --> 00:50:48,045
I would usually get
either doubles,

1173
00:50:48,128 --> 00:50:49,463
or triples of prints,

1174
00:50:49,546 --> 00:50:51,798
'cause I would give people
the copies of the ones

1175
00:50:51,882 --> 00:50:53,133
they were in, a lot of the time,

1176
00:50:53,175 --> 00:50:54,843
and then I'd put them
in a photo album,

1177
00:50:54,926 --> 00:50:56,178
and I'd bring them
to the next night

1178
00:50:56,261 --> 00:50:57,304
that I promoted,

1179
00:50:57,345 --> 00:50:58,722
and they would get
passed around the club.

1180
00:50:58,805 --> 00:51:01,058
I was the only...
besides Randall sometimes.

1181
00:51:01,141 --> 00:51:03,935
I allowed Randall
to sometimes take pictures,

1182
00:51:03,977 --> 00:51:05,604
because I also knew
he wasn't selling them

1183
00:51:05,645 --> 00:51:06,646
to the tabloids.

1184
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:08,523
When I was running around
with Adam,

1185
00:51:08,607 --> 00:51:10,859
I was the only camera there.

1186
00:51:10,942 --> 00:51:12,903
So, if I didn't take picture
of it,

1187
00:51:12,986 --> 00:51:14,988
it was just in your memory.

1188
00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:18,658
And that's what I think
really makes those special.

1189
00:51:18,700 --> 00:51:21,953
I always say that
it was the last good time,

1190
00:51:21,995 --> 00:51:25,916
because it was just
the beauty of...

1191
00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:28,210
being able to hide.

1192
00:51:30,045 --> 00:51:32,005
I lived in one
of Christina Applegate's houses

1193
00:51:32,047 --> 00:51:35,509
and she was gonna rent out
one of the other houses.

1194
00:51:35,550 --> 00:51:37,177
So, I said to Adam,

1195
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:39,262
"Dude, Christina has
a house for rent."

1196
00:51:39,346 --> 00:51:42,349
And I remember driving up
Laurel Canyon with him going,

1197
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:43,558
"Remember this drive,

1198
00:51:43,642 --> 00:51:46,353
because this is gonna be
your drive home from now on."

1199
00:51:47,062 --> 00:51:48,355
And the next thing I know,

1200
00:51:48,396 --> 00:51:50,023
he's moved
to the forbidden L.A.,

1201
00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:51,566
where all bad things come from.

1202
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:53,235
All cheese comes from L.A.

1203
00:51:53,318 --> 00:51:55,112
If you've grown up
in the Bay Area,

1204
00:51:55,195 --> 00:51:57,447
like, especially Berkeley,
you know, it's like,

1205
00:51:57,531 --> 00:52:01,159
"God, it's the source
of all crap," you know?

1206
00:52:01,201 --> 00:52:02,410
Of course,
everyone who thinks that

1207
00:52:02,494 --> 00:52:04,579
has never been to L.A.,
but never mind that.

1208
00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:06,540
ADAM: Except for Randall,

1209
00:52:06,623 --> 00:52:08,041
the only people
I really knew in L.A.

1210
00:52:08,083 --> 00:52:09,543
were people that worked
at the Viper Room.

1211
00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:12,087
Like, I knew Sal,
I had met Johnny,

1212
00:52:12,170 --> 00:52:13,588
like, Shannon,
and a few people that worked.

1213
00:52:13,672 --> 00:52:15,215
They were, like,
the only people I knew,

1214
00:52:15,298 --> 00:52:16,967
which is why
I only hung out there.

1215
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:19,427
SHANNON: I know so many people
would disagree with me,

1216
00:52:19,511 --> 00:52:22,556
but it had something very small,
like Cheers,

1217
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,767
small bar vibe to it,
because there were big shows.

1218
00:52:25,851 --> 00:52:28,228
Sure, Smashing Pumpkins
or Oasis, or whatever,

1219
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:31,898
but the people that came
five, six nights a week

1220
00:52:31,982 --> 00:52:33,859
were like family.

1221
00:52:33,900 --> 00:52:37,612
There was, like,
a safety net around people

1222
00:52:37,696 --> 00:52:41,575
that hung out there,
and that included Adam.

1223
00:52:41,616 --> 00:52:43,743
Shannon was like, "Hey,
I gotta go to the bathroom.

1224
00:52:43,785 --> 00:52:45,036
Do you know
how to run the register?"

1225
00:52:45,078 --> 00:52:46,371
And I said, "Yeah, sure."

1226
00:52:46,413 --> 00:52:47,914
She was like,
"Hey, can you just do it?"

1227
00:52:47,956 --> 00:52:50,083
And I bartended,
and ran the register,

1228
00:52:50,167 --> 00:52:52,085
and then I did it every day.

1229
00:52:52,127 --> 00:52:54,379
It was the only place
I was comfortable.

1230
00:52:54,421 --> 00:52:55,755
SHANNON:
I taught him to bartend,

1231
00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:58,133
and then he was so good at it,
he would go,

1232
00:52:58,216 --> 00:53:00,677
"And the tips aren't for me,
they're for her."

1233
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,888
He got to meet girls and people,

1234
00:53:02,929 --> 00:53:04,472
and I got to party
with my friends,

1235
00:53:04,556 --> 00:53:05,599
and make a bunch of money.

1236
00:53:05,682 --> 00:53:06,766
And also, I think,

1237
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:09,936
because he could still
talk to people, and not be like,

1238
00:53:09,978 --> 00:53:10,979
"Oh, that guy
from Counting Crows

1239
00:53:11,062 --> 00:53:12,063
is trying to talk to me."

1240
00:53:12,105 --> 00:53:13,440
It's like,
"What would you like to drink?

1241
00:53:13,481 --> 00:53:14,900
Rum and Coke? Okay.
Eight dollars, whatever."

1242
00:53:14,941 --> 00:53:16,276
You know,
he could talk to people,

1243
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:17,986
and not be in that skin.

1244
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:19,654
I remember hearing someone say,

1245
00:53:19,738 --> 00:53:22,282
"Man, that guy looks just like
the Counting Crows guy."

1246
00:53:22,365 --> 00:53:23,950
You know, 'cause people
would not think

1247
00:53:23,992 --> 00:53:25,493
that the guy on the cover
of Rolling Stone

1248
00:53:25,577 --> 00:53:28,455
was also giving them
an Amstel Light.

1249
00:53:28,496 --> 00:53:30,248
We took a lot of time off.

1250
00:53:31,541 --> 00:53:35,378
And I remember calling Adam
from San Francisco saying,

1251
00:53:35,462 --> 00:53:37,214
"You want to get together
and write?

1252
00:53:37,297 --> 00:53:38,298
We could get together
and write."

1253
00:53:38,381 --> 00:53:40,091
And he's like,
"I'm not in a band right now."

1254
00:53:40,133 --> 00:53:42,636
We just knew
he struggled with things.

1255
00:53:42,677 --> 00:53:44,971
We were actually wondering
whether or not we're gonna make

1256
00:53:45,013 --> 00:53:46,306
a second record,

1257
00:53:46,389 --> 00:53:49,309
because it looked like
he was ready to just quit.

1258
00:53:49,392 --> 00:53:51,311
The thought that kept going
through my head was like,

1259
00:53:51,353 --> 00:53:54,397
"Is it better
to have gotten here,

1260
00:53:54,481 --> 00:53:56,983
and then... it ends,

1261
00:53:57,067 --> 00:54:00,195
or was it better not
to have ever gotten here before,

1262
00:54:00,278 --> 00:54:01,655
to not know what it was like,"

1263
00:54:01,696 --> 00:54:02,781
you know what I mean?

1264
00:54:02,822 --> 00:54:04,449
I don't even know
if this is true,

1265
00:54:04,491 --> 00:54:08,495
but I read that
Adam went to work in a bar

1266
00:54:08,578 --> 00:54:10,413
after the first album,

1267
00:54:10,497 --> 00:54:14,209
and I've always held onto that,
in my own way.

1268
00:54:14,292 --> 00:54:15,585
After everything we do,

1269
00:54:15,669 --> 00:54:17,963
I try and do something
like that.

1270
00:54:18,004 --> 00:54:21,341
I can see he's trying to keep
his feet on the ground somehow.

1271
00:54:21,383 --> 00:54:24,177
And to me, that suggests
trying to remember,

1272
00:54:24,219 --> 00:54:26,388
"I have to do
normal human things too,

1273
00:54:26,471 --> 00:54:30,058
to know how to sing about things
other people are going through."

1274
00:54:30,141 --> 00:54:32,143
That really inspired me.
Is that true?

1275
00:54:32,185 --> 00:54:34,688
AMY:

1276
00:54:34,729 --> 00:54:36,022
Okay. Oh, well, the Viper Room.

1277
00:54:36,064 --> 00:54:37,691
Okay, so,
maybe less grounding than,

1278
00:54:37,774 --> 00:54:40,694
like, the airport lounge
at Des Moines.

1279
00:54:41,861 --> 00:54:42,904
ADAM: I was never good at--

1280
00:54:42,988 --> 00:54:45,448
I'm still not good at going up,
and talking to people.

1281
00:54:45,532 --> 00:54:47,075
But it kind of didn't matter,
'cause in L.A.,

1282
00:54:47,158 --> 00:54:48,535
they came up, and talked to me.

1283
00:54:48,618 --> 00:54:50,370
And they weren't
just fan people.

1284
00:54:50,453 --> 00:54:52,038
In fact,
they just were acting normal,

1285
00:54:52,122 --> 00:54:53,623
'cause everyone was famous.

1286
00:54:53,707 --> 00:54:55,875
And even though I was famous,
who cares?

1287
00:54:55,959 --> 00:54:58,503
There's Jack Nicholson.
Who fucking cares about you?

1288
00:54:58,545 --> 00:55:02,048
I had Mexican food
with Allen Ginsberg one night.

1289
00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:03,550
We watched Adam Ant together.

1290
00:55:03,633 --> 00:55:06,303
I mean, what more do you want
out of life?

1291
00:55:07,470 --> 00:55:09,556
And then
once I was a little recovered,

1292
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:11,266
'cause I needed
some recovery time,

1293
00:55:11,725 --> 00:55:12,726
it was magic.

1294
00:55:12,809 --> 00:55:14,894
And it gave me this world
to write about

1295
00:55:14,936 --> 00:55:17,063
that was fucking fascinating.

1296
00:55:17,105 --> 00:55:19,357
I couldn't wait
to make a record.

1297
00:55:19,399 --> 00:55:21,234
I had lived
a completely different life

1298
00:55:21,276 --> 00:55:22,736
that year
than I had ever lived before

1299
00:55:22,819 --> 00:55:24,321
in my life.
I had been on the road.

1300
00:55:24,404 --> 00:55:25,905
I had toured the world.

1301
00:55:25,947 --> 00:55:29,909
I was a rock star.
And then I moved to Hollywood.

1302
00:55:29,993 --> 00:55:32,495
And I met
all these really cool people.

1303
00:55:32,579 --> 00:55:34,372
And I wanted to write about it.

1304
00:55:34,414 --> 00:55:35,540
And I thought...

1305
00:55:36,708 --> 00:55:37,876
"I'm gonna write
the fucking greatest

1306
00:55:37,917 --> 00:55:39,252
rock and roll album," you know?

1307
00:55:39,336 --> 00:55:41,254
♪ (UPBEAT ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

1308
00:55:42,297 --> 00:55:44,758
ROB: I can't imagine
the pressure of going

1309
00:55:44,841 --> 00:55:49,596
from being an unknown band
that sells seven million copies

1310
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:52,098
of your first record
without trying, you know?

1311
00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:54,392
You don't know that
you're gonna do that, you know?

1312
00:55:54,434 --> 00:55:56,311
And then you do that,
and then everyone's like,

1313
00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:57,479
"Do it again."

1314
00:55:57,562 --> 00:55:59,105
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
-♪ (SLOW ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

1315
00:55:59,189 --> 00:56:04,110
This time we got this old
1930s Edwardian mansion

1316
00:56:04,152 --> 00:56:05,904
up in the hills
by Griffith Park.

1317
00:56:05,945 --> 00:56:07,655
JANE: So, what's the difference
when you move in here?

1318
00:56:07,739 --> 00:56:09,449
It just gives a different sound
to everything?

1319
00:56:09,491 --> 00:56:10,742
Well, we could all get
in one room.

1320
00:56:10,784 --> 00:56:11,951
It's echoey.

1321
00:56:11,993 --> 00:56:13,536
We thought that the liveliness
of the room would help.

1322
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:14,996
I'm not sure whether it does,
or it doesn't,

1323
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,289
but it'll give it
a really unique sound.

1324
00:56:16,373 --> 00:56:17,832
Whether it sounds good or not,
I don't know.

1325
00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:20,418
-But... it'll sound unique.
-JANE: Right.

1326
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:23,380
ADAM: It had a big entryway
when you walked in

1327
00:56:23,463 --> 00:56:25,632
with this big staircase
going straight up,

1328
00:56:25,715 --> 00:56:27,550
one of those classic,
like, staircases.

1329
00:56:27,634 --> 00:56:29,177
And then
the whole living room area

1330
00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:31,137
to the right became
where the band played,

1331
00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:32,347
the music room.

1332
00:56:32,430 --> 00:56:34,182
DAVE: I went out,
and bought everything.

1333
00:56:34,265 --> 00:56:36,935
Mic cables and microphones
and tape decks

1334
00:56:36,976 --> 00:56:40,146
and headphone systems
and like, crazy amount of stuff.

1335
00:56:40,188 --> 00:56:42,774
♪ (GENTLE ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

1336
00:56:52,659 --> 00:56:54,744
-This is my friend, Jane Pratt.
-(LAUGHS)

1337
00:56:54,828 --> 00:56:56,538
She used to be the editor
of Sassy magazine

1338
00:56:56,621 --> 00:56:58,164
because she's very sassy.

1339
00:56:58,248 --> 00:57:01,334
I was between Sassy magazine
and Jane magazine,

1340
00:57:01,418 --> 00:57:03,294
and I was doing
a bunch of TV stuff.

1341
00:57:03,336 --> 00:57:05,839
-This was Jim Morrison's piano.
-JANE: No way.

1342
00:57:05,922 --> 00:57:07,132
ADAM: Yeah, yeah.

1343
00:57:07,173 --> 00:57:08,675
My landlord left it
at the house.

1344
00:57:08,758 --> 00:57:10,593
I actually knew the band

1345
00:57:10,677 --> 00:57:13,430
from going over
to Adam's house late at night

1346
00:57:13,513 --> 00:57:15,557
when he couldn't sleep,
and drinking beers,

1347
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,434
and watching TV.

1348
00:57:17,517 --> 00:57:18,810
Sounds like shit.

1349
00:57:18,852 --> 00:57:20,687
It's supposed to sound like shit
and it does.

1350
00:57:20,728 --> 00:57:21,855
-Very good.
-Yeah.

1351
00:57:21,896 --> 00:57:23,356
ADAM: We started thinking
about producers.

1352
00:57:23,398 --> 00:57:25,775
I just had this idea about
a different kind of feeling,

1353
00:57:25,859 --> 00:57:27,861
and I immediately thought
of Gil Norton.

1354
00:57:27,944 --> 00:57:29,696
Okay, do you want us to keep
going through the chorus,

1355
00:57:29,737 --> 00:57:31,030
or keep what you did
on the chorus?

1356
00:57:31,072 --> 00:57:34,367
He'd worked
with the Pixies on Doolittle,

1357
00:57:34,409 --> 00:57:36,411
which is like,
this incredible record.

1358
00:57:36,494 --> 00:57:39,038
It was intentional
to be more rock.

1359
00:57:39,122 --> 00:57:40,206
ADAM: Other than Tony Berg,

1360
00:57:40,248 --> 00:57:41,541
I feel like everybody else
we talked to

1361
00:57:41,583 --> 00:57:42,542
at the record company wanted

1362
00:57:42,584 --> 00:57:44,085
another August
and Everything After,

1363
00:57:44,169 --> 00:57:46,337
and we went in a completely
different direction.

1364
00:57:46,379 --> 00:57:48,756
I don't wanna make After
August and Everything After.

1365
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,008
Tony?

1366
00:57:50,049 --> 00:57:53,261
I think Adam
looks at record-making

1367
00:57:53,344 --> 00:57:56,097
as the opportunity
to express himself.

1368
00:57:56,181 --> 00:57:58,725
It's often something
he can't articulate.

1369
00:57:58,808 --> 00:58:00,727
It's a gut response.

1370
00:58:00,768 --> 00:58:03,062
And you know what?
That's how it's supposed to be.

1371
00:58:03,104 --> 00:58:05,190
That's the whole fucking point.

1372
00:58:05,231 --> 00:58:07,400
When the organ goes, go with it.

1373
00:58:07,942 --> 00:58:08,902
CREW MEMBER 1: Solo?

1374
00:58:08,943 --> 00:58:11,070
Yeah, when the organ goes,
go with it.

1375
00:58:11,112 --> 00:58:14,073
-Just... We'll see who wins.
-(CREW MEMBER 1 LAUGHS)

1376
00:58:14,157 --> 00:58:16,075
Adam wanted
for the second record,

1377
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:17,577
I think, to be a little heavier,

1378
00:58:17,619 --> 00:58:19,579
and he wanted
a lead guitar player,

1379
00:58:19,662 --> 00:58:21,456
because I think
being out there all alone

1380
00:58:21,539 --> 00:58:23,500
with nothing else
to bounce off of

1381
00:58:23,583 --> 00:58:25,168
for a singer like him

1382
00:58:25,251 --> 00:58:27,670
probably was more
than he wanted, you know?

1383
00:58:27,754 --> 00:58:28,755
It's just too much attention.

1384
00:58:28,796 --> 00:58:30,089
You're already getting
all the attention.

1385
00:58:30,173 --> 00:58:31,674
It's like,
it's good to have a foil.

1386
00:58:31,758 --> 00:58:34,636
♪ (SLOW ROCK MUSIC PLAYING) ♪

1387
00:58:35,512 --> 00:58:36,638
DAN VICKREY:
I was living up north,

1388
00:58:36,721 --> 00:58:38,848
and staying with
a high school buddy of mine.

1389
00:58:38,932 --> 00:58:40,850
I was just sitting around
watching the OJ trial,

1390
00:58:40,934 --> 00:58:42,602
and this guy
was just asking me,

1391
00:58:42,644 --> 00:58:44,312
like, nonstop questions.

1392
00:58:44,395 --> 00:58:45,647
We'd been on tour
for, like, three years,

1393
00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:47,941
and I was just like,
"I gotta get out of here."

1394
00:58:48,024 --> 00:58:49,484
So, Adam's like, "Come on down."

1395
00:58:49,567 --> 00:58:51,444
-Is Dave in here?
-DAVE: Yeah.

1396
00:58:51,528 --> 00:58:53,947
-Dave's here. Dan's here?
-DAN: Yes.

1397
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:55,949
-Charlie?
-(INDISTINCT CHATTER)

1398
00:58:56,366 --> 00:58:57,283
Matt?

1399
00:58:57,367 --> 00:58:58,785
-MATT: Yo, yeah.
-ADAM: Get a bass.

1400
00:58:59,911 --> 00:59:00,954
Where's Charlie?

1401
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:03,456
-CHARLIE: Yo!
-Let's go.

1402
00:59:03,498 --> 00:59:05,833
♪ (GENTLE PIANO PLAYING) ♪

1403
00:59:05,917 --> 00:59:07,335
DAN: I'd never really been
in a studio.

1404
00:59:07,418 --> 00:59:09,712
I'd done one-off recordings
with friends,

1405
00:59:09,796 --> 00:59:11,881
and like,
some living room recordings.

1406
00:59:11,965 --> 00:59:14,968
So, it was my first record,
and here it is,

1407
00:59:15,051 --> 00:59:17,470
this record that I know is going
to get heard, obviously.

1408
00:59:17,512 --> 00:59:20,974
So, I was just trying to,
you know, keep my shit together,

1409
00:59:21,057 --> 00:59:23,685
and get through it, you know?

1410
00:59:23,768 --> 00:59:26,521
♪ ("ANGELS OF THE SILENCES"
BY COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

1411
00:59:26,604 --> 00:59:29,482
-ADAM: Fuck you, Hollywood!
-(CREW LAUGHING)

1412
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:37,991
♪ Well, I guess you left me
With some feathers in my hand ♪

1413
00:59:38,032 --> 00:59:40,535
♪ Did it make it any easier... ♪

1414
00:59:40,618 --> 00:59:43,079
TONY: Dave Bryson's
rhythm guitar...

1415
00:59:43,162 --> 00:59:44,706
is kind of
the salient instrument

1416
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:46,457
on the first album.

1417
00:59:46,499 --> 00:59:51,504
Whereas the second album,
you hear Dan and Immy as well.

1418
00:59:51,546 --> 00:59:54,007
And Charlie
is this constant presence

1419
00:59:54,090 --> 00:59:56,884
that smooths things
quite expertly.

1420
00:59:56,968 --> 00:59:58,511
♪ (GENTLE ACCORDION PLAYING) ♪

1421
00:59:58,595 --> 01:00:00,346
CHARLIE: Usually what will
happen is Adam will come in

1422
01:00:00,388 --> 01:00:02,223
with a song and the band
will work on it a lot.

1423
01:00:02,307 --> 01:00:04,684
And then Adam will come
in at the end of the day

1424
01:00:04,767 --> 01:00:06,019
or the next day and tell us

1425
01:00:06,060 --> 01:00:07,353
that we're all
horrible musicians

1426
01:00:07,395 --> 01:00:09,272
and we should all quit.

1427
01:00:09,355 --> 01:00:12,275
And then we work on it,
and finally, he loves us.

1428
01:00:13,192 --> 01:00:14,777
It's all about getting Adam
to love us.

1429
01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:17,030
(LAUGHTER)

1430
01:00:17,488 --> 01:00:18,698
Oh, you're fired.

1431
01:00:18,781 --> 01:00:21,200
I'm fired. That's it.
I'm out of the band.

1432
01:00:23,578 --> 01:00:25,705
TONY: You meet any artist,
real artist,

1433
01:00:25,747 --> 01:00:29,250
and you'll meet someone
who's wanting to mix it up,

1434
01:00:29,334 --> 01:00:32,045
wanting to challenge
the listener

1435
01:00:32,086 --> 01:00:34,088
or the people
who might have authority.

1436
01:00:34,172 --> 01:00:35,882
I think Adam does
that very well.

1437
01:00:35,965 --> 01:00:38,384
He does it in an artist's way.

1438
01:00:38,468 --> 01:00:42,055
It's not abrasive.
It's expressive.

1439
01:00:42,096 --> 01:00:43,890
"Catapult" starts off the album
with, like,

1440
01:00:43,931 --> 01:00:46,392
I've just been sent screaming
into the stratosphere,

1441
01:00:46,476 --> 01:00:47,560
and then I came crashing down,

1442
01:00:47,602 --> 01:00:49,228
and I don't know how--
I got to figure out how

1443
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:50,271
to deal with this.

1444
01:00:50,355 --> 01:00:53,900
♪ ("CATAPULT" BY
COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

1445
01:00:55,401 --> 01:00:56,736
And Recovering the Satellites
itself,

1446
01:00:56,819 --> 01:00:59,530
which is about
picking yourself up

1447
01:00:59,572 --> 01:01:01,908
after you come crashing
out of the sky.

1448
01:01:01,991 --> 01:01:07,497
♪ All of a sudden
She disappears ♪

1449
01:01:08,247 --> 01:01:11,834
♪ Just yesterday she was here ♪

1450
01:01:14,379 --> 01:01:20,426
♪ Somebody tell me
If I am sleeping ♪

1451
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:24,347
♪ Someone should be
With me here ♪

1452
01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:27,100
♪ 'Cause I don't wanna
Be alone ♪

1453
01:01:27,183 --> 01:01:32,689
♪ I wanna be the knife
That cuts into my hand ♪

1454
01:01:32,772 --> 01:01:39,612
♪ And I want to be scattered
From here in this catapult ♪

1455
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:41,948
♪ What a big baby ♪

1456
01:01:42,031 --> 01:01:45,952
♪ Won't somebody
Save me please? ♪

1457
01:01:45,993 --> 01:01:51,207
♪ You won't find nobody home ♪

1458
01:01:51,290 --> 01:01:54,419
Adam and I have lived some kind
of weird,

1459
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:56,129
intersecting lives,

1460
01:01:56,212 --> 01:01:58,715
all of which resulted
in him dating

1461
01:01:58,798 --> 01:02:01,300
one and a half Friends,
me writing two books

1462
01:02:01,342 --> 01:02:03,261
about Friends, and writing
the first cover story

1463
01:02:03,302 --> 01:02:04,887
about Friends in Rolling Stone.

1464
01:02:06,097 --> 01:02:07,849
Adam's a handsome guy in a way.

1465
01:02:09,058 --> 01:02:10,643
He's got a little bit
of an ogre vibe,

1466
01:02:10,685 --> 01:02:14,814
but a guy that can
write those songs.

1467
01:02:14,856 --> 01:02:18,151
I guess I'd date him
if I was an actress. (CHUCKLES)

1468
01:02:18,234 --> 01:02:20,319
When I met Jennifer Aniston,

1469
01:02:20,361 --> 01:02:23,448
my friends lied to me
and her friends lied to her.

1470
01:02:23,489 --> 01:02:26,075
They told us both that we
were really into the other.

1471
01:02:27,869 --> 01:02:29,203
I didn't know
anything about her.

1472
01:02:29,287 --> 01:02:30,747
I was busy during prime time.

1473
01:02:30,830 --> 01:02:32,457
On a Thursday night
at eight o'clock,

1474
01:02:32,498 --> 01:02:35,168
I'm not watching TV,
I'm on stage.

1475
01:02:35,209 --> 01:02:38,546
The craziness was,
that was the epicenter

1476
01:02:38,629 --> 01:02:41,841
of fame and projection
in the '90s.

1477
01:02:41,924 --> 01:02:45,386
Every guy I knew was asking me
in the first season

1478
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:46,846
of Friends when
I wrote about it,

1479
01:02:46,888 --> 01:02:48,514
is Jennifer Aniston single?

1480
01:02:48,598 --> 01:02:51,517
Like they thought they had
a shot because TV stars

1481
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:52,727
have that value.

1482
01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:54,353
They come into your home
and you think, oh,

1483
01:02:54,395 --> 01:02:55,730
they're just like my friend.

1484
01:02:57,940 --> 01:02:59,567
ADAM: When we were getting ready
to record records,

1485
01:02:59,650 --> 01:03:01,027
we would do these shows
at the Viper Room

1486
01:03:01,110 --> 01:03:02,361
and we would work
on all the material.

1487
01:03:02,445 --> 01:03:06,073
And Jen came to the show,
and she's cool,

1488
01:03:06,157 --> 01:03:09,076
she's smart, she's really funny,
she's beautiful.

1489
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:12,538
I was taken.
And she likes me, apparently.

1490
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:16,542
DAVID: So there he is dating
the actresses that

1491
01:03:16,584 --> 01:03:20,671
every rock critic thinks
they should be dating.

1492
01:03:20,713 --> 01:03:24,091
He also then steps
into the modern age

1493
01:03:24,175 --> 01:03:27,053
of celebrity
just as it's exploding.

1494
01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:29,722
You know, it's like that
was the exact moment

1495
01:03:29,806 --> 01:03:32,558
when Rolling Stone
was sort of competing

1496
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:36,729
with the Us magazine world,
the sort of pop celebrity world.

1497
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:39,357
And he pissed everybody off.

1498
01:03:39,398 --> 01:03:42,401
I remember being here once
with Jen and Adam,

1499
01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:43,569
and we left.

1500
01:03:43,611 --> 01:03:45,446
Adam had parked his Karmann Ghia
across the street,

1501
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:47,406
and the mob scene

1502
01:03:47,448 --> 01:03:52,870
of paparazzi and videos
was terrifying.

1503
01:03:52,912 --> 01:03:56,040
You did not see Kurt Cobain
stepping into like,

1504
01:03:57,041 --> 01:03:59,836
the cast
of Sabrina the Teenage Witch

1505
01:03:59,919 --> 01:04:01,212
and dating people.

1506
01:04:01,254 --> 01:04:05,007
And I think maybe
that gave him demerits

1507
01:04:05,091 --> 01:04:06,634
in the church of,

1508
01:04:06,717 --> 01:04:09,387
you know,
hipness or alternativeness.

1509
01:04:09,428 --> 01:04:11,097
The thing is,
it's no one's business.

1510
01:04:11,138 --> 01:04:13,641
In the course
of those years, right,

1511
01:04:13,724 --> 01:04:17,270
that I was spending a lot
of time with Adam,

1512
01:04:17,353 --> 01:04:21,315
he was probably deeply in love,
maybe four or five times.

1513
01:04:21,399 --> 01:04:23,651
He would fall in love
very quickly.

1514
01:04:25,361 --> 01:04:31,617
My memories of Adam
are 98 percent platonic,

1515
01:04:31,701 --> 01:04:34,161
maybe 98.6.

1516
01:04:34,245 --> 01:04:37,290
He could have done without a few
of those girlfriends, I think.

1517
01:04:37,331 --> 01:04:39,208
Like, I could have
shaved a few of those

1518
01:04:39,292 --> 01:04:41,752
off the list very happily.

1519
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,797
TEAM MEMBER:
Here we have tonight's list.

1520
01:04:44,839 --> 01:04:46,465
MATT: When we were
doing our second record,

1521
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:48,801
Recovering the Satellites,
he was dating Courtney Cox.

1522
01:04:48,843 --> 01:04:50,136
And she's hanging out with us,

1523
01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:51,470
or she's on our tour bus
with us.

1524
01:04:51,512 --> 01:04:53,472
She's painted my fingernails.

1525
01:04:53,514 --> 01:04:56,058
You know,
there's repeated references

1526
01:04:56,142 --> 01:04:59,061
to her on the record.
You know, she is "Monkey."

1527
01:04:59,145 --> 01:05:03,232
She's the girl that he sees
across the hospital room

1528
01:05:03,316 --> 01:05:05,151
in "Long Decembers," Courtney.

1529
01:05:05,192 --> 01:05:08,571
That record is very tied
to that relationship.

1530
01:05:08,654 --> 01:05:10,406
I don't think the relationship
was the healthiest thing

1531
01:05:10,489 --> 01:05:12,241
in the world, because Adam
wasn't the healthiest thing

1532
01:05:12,325 --> 01:05:13,993
in the world at that point.

1533
01:05:14,076 --> 01:05:16,120
ADAM: Courtney was probably
my longest relationship,

1534
01:05:16,162 --> 01:05:19,832
although I don't know really

1535
01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:22,001
whether we were together
for a lot of it.

1536
01:05:22,084 --> 01:05:25,296
We were very, very,
very different people.

1537
01:05:25,338 --> 01:05:31,135
And there were moments that were
absolutely wonderful together.

1538
01:05:31,177 --> 01:05:32,261
You know,
and there were moments

1539
01:05:32,345 --> 01:05:33,387
where it was really hard.

1540
01:05:33,471 --> 01:05:36,307
We just weren't
on the same wavelength.

1541
01:05:36,349 --> 01:05:40,061
I get it. It's hard to resist
the temptations of fame,

1542
01:05:40,144 --> 01:05:42,021
but it's also,

1543
01:05:42,063 --> 01:05:43,940
it can be quite
a destructive element.

1544
01:05:44,023 --> 01:05:45,274
I think he recognized

1545
01:05:45,358 --> 01:05:47,902
at a certain point
he was becoming,

1546
01:05:47,985 --> 01:05:51,072
or at least flirting
with becoming, a cliché.

1547
01:05:51,155 --> 01:05:53,449
Keep your private life private.

1548
01:05:53,532 --> 01:05:56,744
Save your public persona
for your work.

1549
01:05:56,827 --> 01:05:58,788
It helps inoculate you

1550
01:05:58,871 --> 01:06:02,208
from the things
that can feel very hurtful

1551
01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:03,459
or very personal.

1552
01:06:10,633 --> 01:06:13,552
ROB: VH1 Storytellers
was the sister,

1553
01:06:13,636 --> 01:06:16,430
the equivalent of MTV Unplugged.

1554
01:06:16,514 --> 01:06:19,225
What differentiated Storytellers
was the storyteller

1555
01:06:19,308 --> 01:06:22,144
was supposed to explain to you
what the song was about.

1556
01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:28,109
ADAM: Sometimes I think songs
like this can be a little trite.

1557
01:06:29,110 --> 01:06:31,570
It seems like everybody
who has a big record

1558
01:06:31,654 --> 01:06:34,240
writes a song about how hard
a time they're having,

1559
01:06:34,281 --> 01:06:36,575
and I think
that it's a little hard

1560
01:06:36,617 --> 01:06:38,160
to get people to sympathize
with that sometimes,

1561
01:06:38,244 --> 01:06:41,038
because it's like, oh, okay,
he's famous, poor schmuck.

1562
01:06:42,206 --> 01:06:44,709
It's a weird thing, you know?
All of a sudden,

1563
01:06:44,750 --> 01:06:45,960
the whole world's different.

1564
01:06:46,043 --> 01:06:48,087
People look at you differently,
people treat you differently.

1565
01:06:48,129 --> 01:06:49,755
I adjusted,
but there was a period

1566
01:06:49,797 --> 01:06:51,424
where I had a really hard time.

1567
01:06:51,507 --> 01:06:53,759
We were really trying to come up
with complete reworkings

1568
01:06:53,801 --> 01:06:55,636
and rewritings
of all these songs.

1569
01:06:58,305 --> 01:07:00,433
ROB: Taking a song like
"Have You Seen Me Lately?,"

1570
01:07:00,474 --> 01:07:02,643
which on record
is like super rockin', right?

1571
01:07:02,727 --> 01:07:04,729
Like it's all guitar,
the piano's going...

1572
01:07:04,770 --> 01:07:06,022
(MIMICS PIANO SOUNDS)
...and it's just...

1573
01:07:06,105 --> 01:07:07,273
(MIMICS BASS SOUND)

1574
01:07:09,859 --> 01:07:13,654
But now to deconstruct the song,
lays bare the lyrics,

1575
01:07:13,738 --> 01:07:14,947
the foundation,

1576
01:07:14,989 --> 01:07:17,783
the entire reason
for this song existing.

1577
01:07:17,825 --> 01:07:22,163
You don't have the comfort
of the blaring electric guitar

1578
01:07:22,246 --> 01:07:24,623
to distract you from the fact
that this is a song

1579
01:07:24,665 --> 01:07:27,460
about being miserable,
about being a rock star

1580
01:07:27,543 --> 01:07:29,003
for you right now.

1581
01:07:29,086 --> 01:07:30,921
♪ Get away from me ♪

1582
01:07:32,548 --> 01:07:33,966
♪ Get away from me ♪

1583
01:07:34,050 --> 01:07:37,970
♪ This isn't gonna be easy
But I don't need you ♪

1584
01:07:38,012 --> 01:07:40,014
♪ Believe me ♪

1585
01:07:40,097 --> 01:07:41,807
ADAM: "Have You Seen
Me Lately?", it's just angry.

1586
01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:43,309
That was like the first time
in my life

1587
01:07:43,350 --> 01:07:44,935
I really experienced that, like,

1588
01:07:44,977 --> 01:07:47,188
existing in more than one place
at once.

1589
01:07:47,271 --> 01:07:49,315
You know, like, because you live
in your own life,

1590
01:07:49,356 --> 01:07:50,941
and then you live
this imaginary version

1591
01:07:50,983 --> 01:07:53,819
of yourself in people's
imagination of you,

1592
01:07:53,861 --> 01:07:55,488
and you live on the radio.

1593
01:07:55,571 --> 01:08:01,035
♪ Like sometimes I want
To hear myself on the radio ♪

1594
01:08:03,287 --> 01:08:05,539
♪ Have you seen me lately? ♪

1595
01:08:06,332 --> 01:08:08,876
♪ Have you seen me lately? ♪

1596
01:08:10,252 --> 01:08:12,088
ADAM: "Have You Seen Me Lately?"
is specifically about,

1597
01:08:12,171 --> 01:08:14,381
like, your relationship
with fame

1598
01:08:14,465 --> 01:08:15,883
and people's relationship
with you

1599
01:08:15,966 --> 01:08:18,719
through fame and anger
and a rejection of it, you know?

1600
01:08:18,803 --> 01:08:20,554
And what do you think of me now?

1601
01:08:20,638 --> 01:08:22,723
Now that I've said, fuck you,
what do you think of me now?

1602
01:08:22,807 --> 01:08:25,684
You know, because the idea
that can you tell me

1603
01:08:25,725 --> 01:08:27,435
a thing, anything,
like a single thing

1604
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,729
you remember about me
in "Have You Seen Me Lately?"

1605
01:08:29,814 --> 01:08:31,524
because I'm not that person
even anymore.

1606
01:08:31,607 --> 01:08:35,027
♪ I was out on the radio
Starting to change ♪

1607
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:39,031
♪ Somewhere out in America
It's raining ♪

1608
01:08:39,073 --> 01:08:45,662
♪ Could you tell me one thing
You remember about me ♪

1609
01:08:47,372 --> 01:08:49,125
"Have You Seen Me Lately?"
is the fulfillment

1610
01:08:49,207 --> 01:08:51,877
of the prophecy, the dark,

1611
01:08:51,961 --> 01:08:55,089
terrible prophecy of Mr. Jones.

1612
01:08:55,171 --> 01:08:57,383
There's the prediction
and there's the culmination.

1613
01:08:57,424 --> 01:09:00,719
You know, yep, I got famous.
Yep, I hated it.

1614
01:09:00,803 --> 01:09:04,014
Yep, I don't know
myself anymore.

1615
01:09:04,055 --> 01:09:05,558
You know, I don't know who I am

1616
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,268
and you don't know
who I am either.

1617
01:09:07,350 --> 01:09:08,435
You think you do.

1618
01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:10,563
You've seen me
on magazine covers.

1619
01:09:10,604 --> 01:09:11,729
You've seen me on MTV.

1620
01:09:11,814 --> 01:09:13,566
You've seen me
with this or that actress.

1621
01:09:13,607 --> 01:09:15,568
And you think you know who I am,
but you don't.

1622
01:09:15,651 --> 01:09:17,069
You know, like,
tell me one thing

1623
01:09:17,111 --> 01:09:18,696
you remember about me.

1624
01:09:18,737 --> 01:09:25,578
♪ Just one thing
You remember about me ♪

1625
01:09:27,371 --> 01:09:32,042
♪ Remember about me ♪

1626
01:09:33,252 --> 01:09:35,546
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

1627
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:40,050
(CHEERS, APPLAUSE)

1628
01:09:45,221 --> 01:09:50,144
ADAM:

1629
01:09:52,145 --> 01:09:54,440
You guys have heard it now
before anybody else.

1630
01:09:56,108 --> 01:09:57,776
This is called "Walkaways."

1631
01:09:57,860 --> 01:10:00,905
♪ ("WALKAWAYS" BY
COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

1632
01:10:01,989 --> 01:10:03,449
ADAM:
I was very excited about it.

1633
01:10:03,532 --> 01:10:05,743
Also, we have this entree.

1634
01:10:05,784 --> 01:10:07,453
We're not
this complete unknowns.

1635
01:10:07,536 --> 01:10:09,121
We've had one of the
biggest records

1636
01:10:09,205 --> 01:10:11,165
in the world
for the past three years,

1637
01:10:11,248 --> 01:10:13,834
and everyone's gonna listen
to whatever we put out next.

1638
01:10:13,918 --> 01:10:15,628
So as long as it's great,
we're fine,

1639
01:10:15,711 --> 01:10:16,962
which is like obscurity
was the thing

1640
01:10:17,004 --> 01:10:18,797
you were scared of,
not disapproval.

1641
01:10:18,839 --> 01:10:21,467
I wasn't worried about people
not liking it.

1642
01:10:21,508 --> 01:10:23,052
I thought we'd make
another great record.

1643
01:10:23,552 --> 01:10:26,180
Um, you know.

1644
01:10:26,263 --> 01:10:27,389
And we did.

1645
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:35,397
♪ "I gotta rush away"
She said ♪

1646
01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:41,028
♪ I've been to Boston before ♪

1647
01:10:43,739 --> 01:10:49,787
♪ Anyway, this change
I've been feeling ♪

1648
01:10:49,828 --> 01:10:54,625
♪ Doesn't make the rain fall ♪

1649
01:10:56,627 --> 01:11:03,217
♪ No big differences
These days ♪

1650
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:07,388
♪ Just the same old walkaways ♪

1651
01:11:07,471 --> 01:11:09,682
You know, August
had sold so many copies.

1652
01:11:09,765 --> 01:11:12,184
I don't know what it sold
at that moment,

1653
01:11:12,268 --> 01:11:15,145
six million or seven million.
And I'm like,

1654
01:11:15,187 --> 01:11:17,022
all the records are going
to sell seven million.

1655
01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:18,357
Like, duh, you know,

1656
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:20,609
this satellite
is going to sell seven,

1657
01:11:20,693 --> 01:11:23,570
it's going to sell more,
you know, until it didn't.

1658
01:11:24,697 --> 01:11:26,532
ADAM: At the time
it was released,

1659
01:11:26,615 --> 01:11:28,033
no one paid it any attention,

1660
01:11:28,117 --> 01:11:29,702
or they dismissed it
and they didn't like it.

1661
01:11:29,785 --> 01:11:32,746
He's a brilliant artist,
and he's delicate.

1662
01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:35,374
You know, as tough
as he is on the outside,

1663
01:11:35,457 --> 01:11:37,209
you have to
handle him carefully,

1664
01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:39,378
because he's a really
good songwriter

1665
01:11:39,461 --> 01:11:40,879
and a really great singer.

1666
01:11:40,921 --> 01:11:43,924
If you tell him he sucks
in your magazine,

1667
01:11:44,008 --> 01:11:45,301
it's gonna affect him.

1668
01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:52,391
♪ Someday I'm gonna stay ♪

1669
01:11:54,768 --> 01:11:57,521
♪ But not today ♪

1670
01:11:58,939 --> 01:12:04,194
-Thanks, good night. Take care.
-(CROWD CHEERING)

1671
01:12:04,236 --> 01:12:06,864
ADAM: I would get bummed out
on the road.

1672
01:12:06,905 --> 01:12:08,907
Reviews come in
and they're shitty.

1673
01:12:08,949 --> 01:12:10,409
In fact,
they're not even shitty,

1674
01:12:10,451 --> 01:12:12,578
they're just not talking
about us at all.

1675
01:12:12,661 --> 01:12:14,663
The reviews just talked
about people you dated

1676
01:12:14,747 --> 01:12:17,082
and they don't have
anything to do with music.

1677
01:12:17,166 --> 01:12:20,669
Adam cared about the criticism.
He was sensitive.

1678
01:12:20,753 --> 01:12:22,254
He's a sensitive motherfucker.

1679
01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:24,340
Recovering the Satellites
went double platinum,

1680
01:12:24,423 --> 01:12:27,426
I think, two million,
you know, which is not

1681
01:12:27,468 --> 01:12:29,345
the success
of August and Everything After.

1682
01:12:29,428 --> 01:12:31,305
But to sell two million records,
you know,

1683
01:12:31,388 --> 01:12:33,682
in 1996 on your second record

1684
01:12:33,766 --> 01:12:37,061
in the midst of this backlash,
you know, with this environment

1685
01:12:37,102 --> 01:12:38,771
where everyone is starting
to hate you

1686
01:12:38,812 --> 01:12:40,606
just because
you're too successful,

1687
01:12:40,647 --> 01:12:43,609
you know, that's almost
more impressive, you know,

1688
01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:45,277
than selling
seven million records

1689
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:46,737
out of nowhere.

1690
01:12:46,779 --> 01:12:48,530
For some people, Recovering
the Satellites,

1691
01:12:48,614 --> 01:12:51,617
the second record,
it's a sophomore jinx,

1692
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:53,494
even though it's a great album

1693
01:12:53,577 --> 01:12:55,871
and very successful
in its own right.

1694
01:12:56,497 --> 01:12:57,706
It's a great record.

1695
01:12:59,041 --> 01:13:00,459
ADAM: It just really crushed me
at the time.

1696
01:13:00,542 --> 01:13:02,336
I worked so hard on that record.

1697
01:13:04,254 --> 01:13:07,341
Part of it was also that I was
really unhealthy then.

1698
01:13:07,424 --> 01:13:09,843
I was a mess mentally.

1699
01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:13,514
I thought,
this is our last record.

1700
01:13:13,597 --> 01:13:17,142
I'm losing this battle
with whatever it is,

1701
01:13:17,226 --> 01:13:19,311
and I'm going downhill.

1702
01:13:20,604 --> 01:13:23,148
I mean, it took him years
to really get a grip

1703
01:13:23,190 --> 01:13:25,234
on his diagnosis.

1704
01:13:25,317 --> 01:13:27,236
To tell you the truth,
the way I felt is just,

1705
01:13:28,362 --> 01:13:29,863
if he needs to cancel a show,

1706
01:13:31,281 --> 01:13:33,492
you know, it's a bummer
for the business,

1707
01:13:33,534 --> 01:13:35,327
but if it helps you
to get through

1708
01:13:35,411 --> 01:13:37,704
the rest of this tour,
that's okay with me.

1709
01:13:37,788 --> 01:13:39,665
If we have to cancel the rest
of this tour,

1710
01:13:39,748 --> 01:13:43,502
because you just
can't take it, I get that.

1711
01:13:43,544 --> 01:13:46,505
Take some time off,
you know, figure it out.

1712
01:13:46,588 --> 01:13:50,592
Wasn't clear what to do
for him exactly, you know...

1713
01:13:53,429 --> 01:13:56,723
when it got bad, because it did
get bad sometimes.

1714
01:13:56,807 --> 01:13:58,392
The doctor told him he needed
to go into rehab

1715
01:13:58,475 --> 01:14:00,060
to get off the drugs he was on.

1716
01:14:00,811 --> 01:14:01,937
Prescribed drugs.

1717
01:14:02,938 --> 01:14:05,691
And he went, "Nah,"
and booked a tour.

1718
01:14:07,401 --> 01:14:08,902
And we did this whole tour

1719
01:14:08,986 --> 01:14:10,571
with him coming off these meds,

1720
01:14:10,654 --> 01:14:13,532
crazy out of his mind,
and that was tough.

1721
01:14:13,615 --> 01:14:15,784
♪ ("BLUES RUN THE GAME"
BY COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

1722
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,914
♪ Catch a boat
To England, baby ♪

1723
01:14:20,998 --> 01:14:22,958
♪ Maybe to Spain ♪

1724
01:14:24,001 --> 01:14:26,879
♪ Wherever I have gone ♪

1725
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,923
♪ Wherever I've been and gone ♪

1726
01:14:30,007 --> 01:14:36,013
♪ Wherever I have gone
The blues are all the same ♪

1727
01:14:36,054 --> 01:14:38,265
ADAM: I was really struggling
with the mental illness then.

1728
01:14:38,348 --> 01:14:40,559
It was dragging me down in a way

1729
01:14:40,642 --> 01:14:42,728
that I was having trouble
overcoming.

1730
01:14:42,769 --> 01:14:47,566
♪ Send out for whiskey, baby
Send out for gin ♪

1731
01:14:48,692 --> 01:14:51,570
♪ Me and room service, honey ♪

1732
01:14:51,653 --> 01:14:54,531
♪ Me and room service, babe ♪

1733
01:14:54,573 --> 01:14:59,077
♪ Me and room service, well
We're living a life of sin ♪

1734
01:15:02,247 --> 01:15:03,790
I think if my songs
are about anything,

1735
01:15:03,874 --> 01:15:07,377
it's about the attempt

1736
01:15:07,419 --> 01:15:09,463
to at least continue
to feel things

1737
01:15:09,546 --> 01:15:12,424
while everything around you
is encouraging you to be numb,

1738
01:15:12,466 --> 01:15:13,800
to deaden your feelings.

1739
01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:18,430
I think if there's one message
in it, it's that.

1740
01:15:18,472 --> 01:15:21,808
I don't really necessarily think
it's possible to be happy.

1741
01:15:21,892 --> 01:15:24,603
I'm not sure it's a world
suited for that.

1742
01:15:26,647 --> 01:15:28,440
ADAM: At one point when
I was still living in LA,

1743
01:15:28,482 --> 01:15:31,360
I was really a mess,

1744
01:15:31,443 --> 01:15:34,780
and I was starting
to cut myself.

1745
01:15:35,906 --> 01:15:37,491
The worst part about it was
that you cut yourself,

1746
01:15:37,574 --> 01:15:39,368
and then it seems like it works.

1747
01:15:39,451 --> 01:15:42,579
Like that, yeah,
it does release some of it.

1748
01:15:42,621 --> 01:15:43,872
So I should cut myself
some more,

1749
01:15:43,956 --> 01:15:45,457
because that's actually
making it better.

1750
01:15:45,541 --> 01:15:47,793
And I remember
kind of going through that logic

1751
01:15:47,876 --> 01:15:51,171
and thinking,
that's not actually good logic.

1752
01:15:51,255 --> 01:15:53,799
Having enough clarity
to be like,

1753
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,676
I feel like I'm really doing
something productive here,

1754
01:15:55,759 --> 01:15:57,135
and I'm not.

1755
01:15:57,219 --> 01:15:59,263
So I called the doctor and said,
"Hey, this is a problem.

1756
01:15:59,304 --> 01:16:00,305
I'm having a problem right now."

1757
01:16:00,389 --> 01:16:03,308
And I self-admitted
to UCLA Medical Center.

1758
01:16:03,392 --> 01:16:07,729
And the day I checked in,
Mariah Carey was checking out.

1759
01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:08,981
All over the news

1760
01:16:09,064 --> 01:16:10,816
was just people making fun
of Mariah Carey.

1761
01:16:10,899 --> 01:16:12,317
They did not treat it
with respect

1762
01:16:12,401 --> 01:16:14,820
or sympathy at all.
They made her, like,

1763
01:16:14,861 --> 01:16:16,321
a joke, like she was
some kind of mess.

1764
01:16:16,405 --> 01:16:17,990
And that would, like,
confirm to me,

1765
01:16:18,031 --> 01:16:21,159
I'm not talking about this
in the press while I'm,

1766
01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:24,329
you know, not in control of it.

1767
01:16:24,371 --> 01:16:26,832
I'd had enough venom
directed towards me

1768
01:16:26,915 --> 01:16:30,085
to know not to tell any
of those people anything.

1769
01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:33,922
You know, at first,
you couldn't talk about it.

1770
01:16:34,673 --> 01:16:36,008
You just couldn't.

1771
01:16:36,049 --> 01:16:41,972
I think mental illness is wide
and deep in this world

1772
01:16:42,014 --> 01:16:44,641
because everybody
thinks differently.

1773
01:16:44,683 --> 01:16:48,020
And the more we know
about how our brains work,

1774
01:16:48,729 --> 01:16:51,189
I think the better off we'll be.

1775
01:16:51,273 --> 01:16:54,484
We knew that Adam
had chronic insomnia.

1776
01:16:54,526 --> 01:16:56,695
JANE: He wasn't closed off
about talking

1777
01:16:56,778 --> 01:16:57,904
about his mental health.

1778
01:16:57,988 --> 01:17:00,073
He was open to being
vulnerable about it,

1779
01:17:00,157 --> 01:17:01,491
but he just didn't have--

1780
01:17:01,533 --> 01:17:03,368
None of us had the language.

1781
01:17:03,410 --> 01:17:07,706
To get that much attention
that fast,

1782
01:17:07,789 --> 01:17:10,292
I feel like it's almost
like just...

1783
01:17:11,835 --> 01:17:15,172
throwing a bomb into your brain
and saying,

1784
01:17:15,213 --> 01:17:18,634
"Hey, I hope this all works out
for you, you know?"

1785
01:17:33,148 --> 01:17:35,025
ADAM: I think it helped a lot

1786
01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:37,110
getting a real
diagnosis finally.

1787
01:17:37,194 --> 01:17:39,071
Having a doctor go,
okay, these medications

1788
01:17:39,112 --> 01:17:40,572
are probably wrong for you.

1789
01:17:40,656 --> 01:17:43,200
We're gonna switch that.
This is really what's happening.

1790
01:17:43,241 --> 01:17:44,534
And finally something
that actually

1791
01:17:44,576 --> 01:17:46,078
kind of sums it up.

1792
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:47,245
It doesn't go away,

1793
01:17:47,329 --> 01:17:49,414
but I know how to breathe
and not panic.

1794
01:17:49,498 --> 01:17:52,584
I know how to get through things
and I live with it.

1795
01:17:53,794 --> 01:17:55,295
He turned a corner

1796
01:17:55,379 --> 01:17:56,838
and he started working
on himself.

1797
01:17:56,922 --> 01:18:00,634
He really saw himself
at rock bottom

1798
01:18:00,717 --> 01:18:02,636
and worked his way out of it.

1799
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:04,554
And it was the best thing
he ever did.

1800
01:18:04,596 --> 01:18:07,641
And how he rebuilt himself
from that, the work he put in,

1801
01:18:08,725 --> 01:18:09,810
huge credit due to him.

1802
01:18:18,985 --> 01:18:21,822
ADAM: I try not to think
about it, I mean, I just,

1803
01:18:21,905 --> 01:18:23,949
I don't think about it
when we're working.

1804
01:18:24,032 --> 01:18:26,618
I do think about it in between.

1805
01:18:26,702 --> 01:18:29,413
It definitely soured a lot
of things for me.

1806
01:18:30,622 --> 01:18:33,041
You just become such
a public joke

1807
01:18:33,125 --> 01:18:34,334
that it's a joke everybody makes

1808
01:18:34,418 --> 01:18:36,420
and everybody's comfortable
and it's not personal.

1809
01:18:36,461 --> 01:18:38,964
♪ ("COUNTING CROWS MUST DIE"
BY DOWN BY LAW PLAYING) ♪

1810
01:18:39,047 --> 01:18:41,675
Are you familiar with a band
called Counting Crows?

1811
01:18:41,758 --> 01:18:44,428
Their lead singer is this thing
called Adam Duritz.

1812
01:18:44,469 --> 01:18:46,054
This Sideshow Bob burnout

1813
01:18:46,138 --> 01:18:48,640
slept with a primo roster
of '90s tail.

1814
01:18:48,682 --> 01:18:49,933
There are no match
for my lead singer,

1815
01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:51,852
the Counting Crows,
Adam Duritz impression,

1816
01:18:51,935 --> 01:18:54,479
the albino version. Round here.

1817
01:18:55,105 --> 01:18:56,898
Somebody wrote in 2003,

1818
01:18:56,982 --> 01:18:59,693
having recognized that he will
never be a lean pinup

1819
01:18:59,776 --> 01:19:02,320
like Enrique Iglesias,

1820
01:19:02,404 --> 01:19:03,822
the band's front man,
Adam Duritz,

1821
01:19:03,905 --> 01:19:05,490
has completely gone
the other way.

1822
01:19:05,574 --> 01:19:08,660
He comes out looking
like a barefoot bus driver

1823
01:19:08,702 --> 01:19:10,704
with an octopus strapped
to his head.

1824
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:13,457
I would want to see that show.

1825
01:19:13,498 --> 01:19:16,168
I'd rather see that
than Enrique Iglesias.

1826
01:19:16,251 --> 01:19:19,379
Adam Duritz has a raw nerve
attached to vocal cords.

1827
01:19:19,838 --> 01:19:21,131
That's positive.

1828
01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:25,010
Screeching, quivering,
withering, stinging.

1829
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:26,386
The lead singer
of Counting Crows

1830
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:28,555
has never met a pain
he didn't like to exercise

1831
01:19:28,638 --> 01:19:31,016
by opening his mouth
and letting it fly.

1832
01:19:31,099 --> 01:19:33,018
So he would read
that as a bad review,

1833
01:19:33,101 --> 01:19:35,228
but I look at that as,
like, passion.

1834
01:19:35,312 --> 01:19:36,813
So fuck these reviews.

1835
01:19:36,855 --> 01:19:39,316
It's just part of...

1836
01:19:39,357 --> 01:19:41,651
what becomes the popular face
of humor is,

1837
01:19:41,693 --> 01:19:43,695
like, you're a diss joke.

1838
01:19:43,737 --> 01:19:47,866
And that's the punching bag
we became.

1839
01:19:47,949 --> 01:19:50,202
-AMY: Why do you think so?
-Well, I don't fucking know.

1840
01:19:52,037 --> 01:19:54,039
You know, it clearly pissed
a lot of people off.

1841
01:19:54,122 --> 01:19:55,540
And maybe some of that
was me going around

1842
01:19:55,624 --> 01:19:56,666
telling everyone to fuck off

1843
01:19:56,708 --> 01:19:58,710
when they told us to do stuff
I didn't want to do.

1844
01:19:58,752 --> 01:20:01,046
To me, a joke's too far
when it comes from a place

1845
01:20:01,129 --> 01:20:03,048
of anger or jealousy.

1846
01:20:03,089 --> 01:20:06,551
When it comes from affection,
you can't really go too far.

1847
01:20:06,593 --> 01:20:09,721
If I love somebody,
I'm writing as a fan

1848
01:20:09,805 --> 01:20:12,057
or heckling as a fan,

1849
01:20:13,099 --> 01:20:14,267
it's all good.

1850
01:20:14,351 --> 01:20:18,396
But when the intention
is not affection,

1851
01:20:18,438 --> 01:20:20,690
that's when a joke
goes too far.

1852
01:20:20,732 --> 01:20:22,609
Like, I could make fun
of Adam all day.

1853
01:20:22,692 --> 01:20:23,985
He knows I love him.

1854
01:20:25,028 --> 01:20:26,571
That's why I love
Counting Crows music.

1855
01:20:26,613 --> 01:20:28,406
It's like Dave Matthews Band

1856
01:20:28,490 --> 01:20:30,909
without all
those intricate guitar parts.

1857
01:20:30,951 --> 01:20:32,077
No, I love Counting Crows.

1858
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,788
It's some of the best music
you'll hear at a CVS

1859
01:20:34,871 --> 01:20:36,540
at 3:00 a.m. (CHUCKLES)

1860
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:39,751
ADAM: Did you ever see
The Quiet Man?

1861
01:20:39,835 --> 01:20:42,087
The John Ford,
John Wayne movie about him?

1862
01:20:42,170 --> 01:20:43,922
He's an ex-boxer,
and he goes to Ireland

1863
01:20:43,964 --> 01:20:46,091
to try and live in his home
where he was born.

1864
01:20:46,132 --> 01:20:48,093
And he gets in this fight
with this landowner

1865
01:20:48,134 --> 01:20:49,511
in the area who keeps
getting really angry

1866
01:20:49,594 --> 01:20:51,263
at John Wayne's character.

1867
01:20:51,346 --> 01:20:53,139
And he tells his,
like, right-hand man,

1868
01:20:53,223 --> 01:20:54,266
who's his little weasel,

1869
01:20:54,349 --> 01:20:56,226
and he's like,
write a name down.

1870
01:20:56,268 --> 01:20:59,688
Sit down.
The name of one Sean Thornton.

1871
01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:01,857
"Did you write it down?" "Yes."

1872
01:21:01,940 --> 01:21:03,942
Well, then strike a line
through it.

1873
01:21:04,025 --> 01:21:05,610
(LAUGHS) That's for him.

1874
01:21:05,652 --> 01:21:07,320
He always says that.
Now cross it out.

1875
01:21:08,113 --> 01:21:09,948
Like, what am I gonna do,

1876
01:21:10,031 --> 01:21:11,116
write names down
and cross it out?

1877
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:13,118
I got better things to do.

1878
01:21:13,201 --> 01:21:15,287
Just seems like
a waste of my time.

1879
01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:17,372
It's a great scene, though.
It's a great movie.

1880
01:21:24,796 --> 01:21:26,131
I like playing.

1881
01:21:26,214 --> 01:21:28,300
I like to do this.

1882
01:21:28,341 --> 01:21:33,430
I mean, it's the only thing
I really like to do.

1883
01:21:33,471 --> 01:21:36,975
ADAM: I used to have nothing
in my life but my music.

1884
01:21:37,017 --> 01:21:38,602
And now it's like the truth is

1885
01:21:38,643 --> 01:21:40,854
I don't live and die
by it like I used to.

1886
01:21:40,937 --> 01:21:43,064
It means the world to me
to continue to be creative

1887
01:21:43,148 --> 01:21:44,482
and to write songs.

1888
01:21:44,566 --> 01:21:47,485
But I'm not dying
of misery alone

1889
01:21:47,569 --> 01:21:49,654
in a house by myself
with no other outlet

1890
01:21:49,696 --> 01:21:51,823
except my songs.

1891
01:21:51,865 --> 01:21:56,703
I just had a very scary
dissociative aloneness.

1892
01:21:57,829 --> 01:21:59,331
And then I had songs,

1893
01:21:59,372 --> 01:22:01,833
which were a way
of connecting to the world.

1894
01:22:09,925 --> 01:22:13,011
ZOE: I met Adam in 2017.

1895
01:22:13,053 --> 01:22:15,889
He was charming
and a little bit shy

1896
01:22:15,972 --> 01:22:19,434
and just completely sweet.

1897
01:22:20,769 --> 01:22:22,479
Basically, we had dinner

1898
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,648
and we've been together
ever since.

1899
01:22:28,693 --> 01:22:31,321
I feel very protective of Adam.

1900
01:22:31,363 --> 01:22:34,199
I've had that worry before

1901
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,493
of being relied upon
for happiness,

1902
01:22:36,534 --> 01:22:40,997
but Adam isn't reliant on me
or anyone.

1903
01:22:42,415 --> 01:22:44,668
I think that the dreadlocks
were one of the things

1904
01:22:44,709 --> 01:22:46,044
people didn't understand
about him

1905
01:22:46,127 --> 01:22:50,382
and that probably
was a factor in, like,

1906
01:22:50,465 --> 01:22:53,218
the way that the public
responded to him.

1907
01:22:53,259 --> 01:22:56,721
I think there was a little bit
of, like, ridicule,

1908
01:22:56,763 --> 01:22:57,889
and I think
there was a fixation

1909
01:22:57,973 --> 01:22:59,224
in the media, too, like,

1910
01:22:59,265 --> 01:23:02,268
oh, this dreadlocked guy
dating this beautiful woman,

1911
01:23:02,352 --> 01:23:04,229
like, what's up with that?
(SCOFFS)

1912
01:23:04,270 --> 01:23:06,439
And so in our relationship,
I came in,

1913
01:23:06,523 --> 01:23:08,650
he did have the dreadlocks,

1914
01:23:08,733 --> 01:23:13,905
and I had the feeling that
whatever they were before,

1915
01:23:13,947 --> 01:23:18,410
that they were now
closer to, like, a shield.

1916
01:23:18,451 --> 01:23:20,412
I felt like they were a barrier,

1917
01:23:20,453 --> 01:23:22,247
and when I could get
through them

1918
01:23:22,288 --> 01:23:25,583
and see his face, and I...

1919
01:23:25,667 --> 01:23:30,088
I just love his face and his...
He's got beautiful eyes and,

1920
01:23:30,171 --> 01:23:32,424
like, my favorite smile
in the world.

1921
01:23:32,924 --> 01:23:35,051
And I always...

1922
01:23:38,221 --> 01:23:40,765
gently encouraged him,

1923
01:23:40,849 --> 01:23:44,894
like, maybe, maybe
you should try, you know,

1924
01:23:45,812 --> 01:23:47,105
not having dreadlocks.

1925
01:23:50,692 --> 01:23:53,987
I was stunned
and so happy for him

1926
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:55,613
because he was happy.

1927
01:23:55,697 --> 01:23:57,949
He was ready for a new era.

1928
01:23:58,033 --> 01:24:01,786
He was ready to be
a new version of himself

1929
01:24:01,828 --> 01:24:05,165
and a more exposed, maybe,
version of himself.

1930
01:24:05,248 --> 01:24:07,542
And I was ecstatic for him.

1931
01:24:13,506 --> 01:24:15,759
CHRIS: The second record
is the record for me.

1932
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,719
Recovering the Satellites,

1933
01:24:17,802 --> 01:24:19,304
I remember hearing it
from my brother's room.

1934
01:24:19,387 --> 01:24:20,764
He got it first.

1935
01:24:20,805 --> 01:24:21,931
I didn't know what it was.

1936
01:24:21,973 --> 01:24:23,224
It didn't sound
like the first record.

1937
01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:26,144
Like, sonically, it didn't sound
like the first record.

1938
01:24:26,186 --> 01:24:29,397
It's got a brashness
that still speaks to me.

1939
01:24:29,481 --> 01:24:30,982
It makes me feel,

1940
01:24:31,024 --> 01:24:35,487
even at this stage,
young and excited about music.

1941
01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:37,155
And it's one of those records

1942
01:24:37,238 --> 01:24:40,075
that I still listen to
when I need to feel that.

1943
01:24:40,158 --> 01:24:41,576
SEÁN BARNA:
The songs are unmatched

1944
01:24:41,659 --> 01:24:43,995
and they're all consistent
since the first one

1945
01:24:44,079 --> 01:24:45,914
on the first record right
to the ones

1946
01:24:45,997 --> 01:24:47,082
that he released recently.

1947
01:24:47,165 --> 01:24:49,626
So I just couldn't believe
that somebody

1948
01:24:49,667 --> 01:24:52,170
could craft emotion that well.

1949
01:24:52,212 --> 01:24:54,547
It changed my life.
I write songs now because of it.

1950
01:24:54,631 --> 01:24:56,174
It gave, I think,

1951
01:24:56,257 --> 01:24:59,677
a band like us a lot
of insight or courage

1952
01:24:59,761 --> 01:25:01,805
about was you don't have
to write the fastest,

1953
01:25:01,846 --> 01:25:03,056
loudest song.

1954
01:25:03,139 --> 01:25:04,808
You have to write
distinct songs.

1955
01:25:04,849 --> 01:25:07,018
They could be quiet,
they could be slow,

1956
01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:09,145
they could be heartfelt.

1957
01:25:09,187 --> 01:25:11,523
Sincerity isn't dead.

1958
01:25:11,564 --> 01:25:13,733
Earnestness
isn't gonna kill you.

1959
01:25:13,817 --> 01:25:16,986
It doesn't have to be ironic,
but it has to be poetic.

1960
01:25:18,613 --> 01:25:22,992
He was very willing
to make himself completely open

1961
01:25:23,034 --> 01:25:26,663
and vulnerable and tell you
how uncool he felt,

1962
01:25:26,704 --> 01:25:28,957
which was,
that was the coolest thing.

1963
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,126
The people who loved
that first record,

1964
01:25:31,209 --> 01:25:33,545
maybe they didn't buy
Recovering the Satellites,

1965
01:25:33,628 --> 01:25:34,838
maybe they did,

1966
01:25:34,879 --> 01:25:38,007
but no one's ever
stopped loving his songs.

1967
01:25:38,049 --> 01:25:39,592
They've never been
off the radio.

1968
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:45,181
Let me see.

1969
01:25:45,223 --> 01:25:47,559
We're gonna record
"A Long December"

1970
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:49,727
-You on your own?
-Yep.

1971
01:25:49,811 --> 01:25:50,854
Okay.

1972
01:25:54,399 --> 01:25:55,942
-Are you ready?
-ADAM: Mm-hmm.

1973
01:25:56,025 --> 01:25:58,486
-And...
-♪ (PIANO RENDITION
OF "A LONG DECEMBER" PLAYING) ♪

1974
01:25:58,570 --> 01:25:59,904
DIRECTOR: So this is the encore.

1975
01:26:03,491 --> 01:26:07,328
DAVID: Adam's talent
is a lot more important

1976
01:26:07,412 --> 01:26:12,000
than hipness,
which is a day-to-day thing.

1977
01:26:12,083 --> 01:26:13,751
It's like, fuck hipness.

1978
01:26:13,835 --> 01:26:16,087
♪ (PIANO MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪

1979
01:26:16,129 --> 01:26:18,464
DAVID: There's a lot of people
who Adam got less

1980
01:26:18,548 --> 01:26:21,426
rave reviews than
as the '90s went on,

1981
01:26:21,467 --> 01:26:23,178
that no one is listening to now,

1982
01:26:23,261 --> 01:26:26,514
that don't have a place
in the heart of generations.

1983
01:26:27,265 --> 01:26:29,100
ADAM: ♪ A long December ♪

1984
01:26:29,184 --> 01:26:32,437
♪ And there's reason
To believe ♪

1985
01:26:32,478 --> 01:26:37,192
♪ Maybe this year will be
Better than the last ♪

1986
01:26:37,275 --> 01:26:38,318
CHRIS: Knowing what I know now,

1987
01:26:38,401 --> 01:26:39,819
I'd say, as long
as what you're singing

1988
01:26:39,903 --> 01:26:42,447
is from your heart and what
you really want to sing,

1989
01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:44,616
there's really nothing
else to worry about.

1990
01:26:44,657 --> 01:26:47,702
Everyone is going to have
a different reaction,

1991
01:26:47,785 --> 01:26:49,120
and some people
that hate it today

1992
01:26:49,162 --> 01:26:50,205
will love it tomorrow.

1993
01:26:50,288 --> 01:26:52,123
And the best
Counting Crows music to me

1994
01:26:52,165 --> 01:26:55,126
sounds like it doesn't worry
about what anyone else thinks.

1995
01:26:55,210 --> 01:26:57,295
It's just telling you
his experience

1996
01:26:57,378 --> 01:26:59,297
or their experience.

1997
01:26:59,339 --> 01:27:03,176
♪ And it's one more night
In Hollywood ♪

1998
01:27:07,096 --> 01:27:11,059
♪ That I could be forgiven ♪

1999
01:27:12,518 --> 01:27:15,480
♪ Wish you would, na na na ♪

2000
01:27:15,563 --> 01:27:17,982
♪ Na, na, na, na ♪

2001
01:27:18,066 --> 01:27:21,110
♪ Na, na, na, na, na, na, na ♪

2002
01:27:21,152 --> 01:27:24,280
♪ Na, na, na, na ♪

2003
01:27:24,322 --> 01:27:26,199
ADAM: It is a brother
and a sisterhood

2004
01:27:26,282 --> 01:27:30,119
of strange people that I have
this thing in common with.

2005
01:27:30,161 --> 01:27:32,830
We take the stuff
that goes on in our lives

2006
01:27:32,914 --> 01:27:34,666
and we make it into
these weird things

2007
01:27:34,749 --> 01:27:36,876
that rhyme
as a way of explaining

2008
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:38,461
what we're going through.

2009
01:27:38,503 --> 01:27:40,338
♪ (PIANO MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪

2010
01:27:40,421 --> 01:27:42,006
ADAM: ♪ And all at once ♪

2011
01:27:42,048 --> 01:27:45,343
♪ You look across
A crowded room ♪

2012
01:27:45,426 --> 01:27:52,016
♪ To see the way that light
Attaches to a girl ♪

2013
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:56,813
♪ And it's one more day
Up in the canyons ♪

2014
01:27:58,564 --> 01:28:02,235
♪ And it's one more night
In Hollywood ♪

2015
01:28:04,529 --> 01:28:06,155
ADAM: I'm still obsessed
with music.

2016
01:28:06,197 --> 01:28:08,866
It's not just this place I go to
to express stuff anymore.

2017
01:28:08,950 --> 01:28:11,703
It's this place I'm living,
and I love it.

2018
01:28:11,744 --> 01:28:15,123
♪ I think you should
Na, na, na, na, na ♪

2019
01:28:15,206 --> 01:28:19,460
♪ Na, na, na, na, na, na ♪

2020
01:28:19,544 --> 01:28:22,213
♪ Na, na, na, na, na, na... ♪

2021
01:28:22,297 --> 01:28:24,090
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪

2022
01:28:28,845 --> 01:28:33,641
♪ ("HAVE YOU SEEN ME LATELY?"
BY COUNTING CROWS PLAYING) ♪

2023
01:28:45,820 --> 01:28:51,492
♪ Get away from me
Just get away from me ♪

2024
01:28:51,576 --> 01:28:57,457
♪ This isn't gonna be easy
But I don't need you ♪

2025
01:28:57,540 --> 01:28:59,083
♪ Believe me ♪

2026
01:29:01,627 --> 01:29:05,298
♪ Yeah, you got a piece of me ♪

2027
01:29:05,381 --> 01:29:08,092
♪ But it's just
A little piece of me ♪

2028
01:29:08,134 --> 01:29:11,888
♪ And I don't need anyone
And these days ♪

2029
01:29:11,929 --> 01:29:15,641
♪ I feel like I'm fading away ♪

2030
01:29:17,852 --> 01:29:23,816
♪ Like sometimes when
I hear myself on the radio ♪

2031
01:29:27,528 --> 01:29:34,160
♪ Have you seen me lately?
Have you seen me lately? ♪

2032
01:29:35,620 --> 01:29:38,456
♪ Have you seen me lately? ♪

2033
01:29:39,624 --> 01:29:43,795
♪ I was out on the radio
Starting to change ♪

2034
01:29:43,878 --> 01:29:48,007
♪ Somewhere out in America
It's starting to rain ♪

2035
01:29:48,091 --> 01:29:52,136
♪ Could you tell me the things
You remember about me? ♪

2036
01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:55,765
♪ And have you seen me lately? ♪

2037
01:29:56,391 --> 01:30:00,353
♪ I remember me ♪

2038
01:30:00,436 --> 01:30:03,981
♪ And all the little things
That make up a memory ♪

2039
01:30:04,023 --> 01:30:09,821
♪ Like she said
She loved to watch me sleep ♪

2040
01:30:12,073 --> 01:30:13,491
♪ Like she said ♪

2041
01:30:14,117 --> 01:30:16,119
♪ "It's the breathing" ♪

2042
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:21,332
♪ "It's the breathing in and out
And in and..." ♪

2043
01:30:21,374 --> 01:30:23,084
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪