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 [punching speed                
bag rhythmically]               

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 [silence falls]                

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  Yeah.                         

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   The highlight of my career?  

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Being born in the world.        

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["Back Burner" by               
   Stuart Moore plays]          

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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Joe Frazier made                
aggressive fighting an art form.

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   When Frazier throws          
  punches, he wants to kill you.

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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   [Dr. Todd Boyd] He           
   grew up in South Carolina.   

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   They didn't have any money,  

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 they weren't educated,         

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  but he was especially         
   well-spoken with his hands.  

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[Burt Watson] He was relentless.

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   There was a lot of punches,  

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   he'd take one to give two,   

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 but you had to                 
 get inside to give one.        

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Joe was a very proud man.       

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 He never kissed anybody's ass. 

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He didn't want to               
 be a political symbol.         

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  [Joe] I speak from my         
 heart. You know I mean?        

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  The way I see                 
   things and the way I feel.   

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 Joe loved cars,                
   fighting, women, and music.  

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Music, to                       
  Joe Frazier, was his sanity.  

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   That's what you saw          
when you saw Joe perform.       

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 Joe Frazier was a warrior, man.

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  Without Joe Frazier,          
there wouldn't have been no Ali.

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 I'm the champ.                 
 You ain't! You nothing!        

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  That kind of rivalry,         

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 we'll never see                
   something like that again.   

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  Three of the                  
   biggest fights in history.   

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  it's no coincidence.          

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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 There was another side to Joe. 

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  He had a big                  
   heart. Do anything for you.  

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 If a car's broken down,        

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   Joe Frazier                  
  will stop every time.         

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  It's just in his DNA to help. 

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  White America                 
   always thought Joe Frazier   

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was this                        
blue-collar working man,        

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 but man, he was                
the king of swag.               

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  [Watson] No one ever          
   did get Joe Frazier right.   

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 No one ever got                
  the real Joe Frazier.         

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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 [traffic noise]                

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How we doing there, guys?       

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  Uh, rolling.                  

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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 [cheering and shouting]        

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  Ali-Frazier,                  

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the Fight of the                
Century, March 8th, 1971,       

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 transcended the sport of boxing

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   and entered into this realm  

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of America at the highest order.

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  Everybody was                 
 talking about Ali and Frazier. 

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  It was the beginning          
 of the mega-fight era.         

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 Frazier-Ali! It was polarizing.

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   He's the Uncle Tom.          

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   The guy talked from          
 the side of his mouth.         

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It was the bull and the matador.

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   He's the other-type Negro!   

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Uh, he's a phony.               

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  Who do you root for? And why? 

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 Frazier's going to win!        

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  It's a hell of a way          

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to present one's                
  society to the world,         

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   because, you know,           
  that's what it meant.         

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  Every punch that was          
 thrown had a subtext behind it.

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Totally different styles.       

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  The one area                  

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 where they were                
very similar in the ring        

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 was that they were both        

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  mean, nasty, S.O.B. fighters. 

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Joe Frazier was prepared        
 to die in that ring that night.

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  Joe came out of ugly origins, 

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 and boxing became his way out. 

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   [match bell rings]           

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 [announcer] Round one!         

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[horse whinnying]               

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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 [Joe] I was born and raised in 
Beaufort, South Carolina,       

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 and my original                
   home is the South.           

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  [Boyd] Joe's family,          
they were sharecroppers.        

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 It's not intellectual.         

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It's hard living.               

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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  It was slow, and it was hot.  

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Bugs everywhere.                

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It was survival.                

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 Joe Frazier has                
 had to face adversity,         

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not from the moment he was born,

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  but from the                  
moment he was conceived.        

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 He was in his mother's stomach,

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   she was pregnant with him,   

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 when his dad had an altercation

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  in which he was shot          
  in his left arm by a friend.  

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[gunshot echoes]                

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  Shot off by, like, a          
   jealous husband of somebody  

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that Rubin might've been        
   doing the wrong thing with,  

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  or "the wild                  
thing," as Joe would say.       

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His mom was shot                
  in the same incident.         

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  Could've killed Joe Frazier.  

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 [infant crying]                

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   Joe Frazier didn't           
grow up in Beverly Hills.       

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  1944 in rural South Carolina  

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 is really not that far         
removed from the end of slavery.

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His earliest memory would       
 be sitting on his father's knee

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  and his father would,         
   would call him "Billy Boy,"  

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   and, you know, he was known  
   to be, like, a daddy's boy,  

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   and he was                   
 basically his father's shadow. 

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  And being his dad's favorite, 

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Joe had to become               
   his dad's left arm.          

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 [Bernstein] The                
  whole setting of that story,  

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   the drama,                   

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   and how it                   
   ultimately came full circle  

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 with him using the left        
 arm that his father never had, 

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and become world famous,        

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was really extraordinary,       
  and in a way, poetic.         

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[Joe] Back in the               
country, they had, like,        

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maybe one or two                
 televisions, you know?         

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Used to get around those,       
  to watch fights at the time.  

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[crowd cheering]                

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  And you had boxing on         
TV several times a week.        

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 Everybody knew                 

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  who the Heavyweight Champion  
of the World was.               

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  And there was, uh, Joe Louis  

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   and Rocky Marciano,          

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 Ezzard Charles,                

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   Jersey Joe Walcott,          

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and my uncles and               
 my aunts and my father         

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used to say, you                
  know, "That kid, look at him. 

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  Look at the body structure."  

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  He said, "One of these days,  

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 that boy gonna be a Joe Louis."

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 Chasing after a                
hog, and was told not to,       

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   and fell and broke his arm.  

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   [laughing]                   

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   They had no                  
  healthcare insurance.         

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They had no money               
  to go to a hospital.          

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   [laughing]                   

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   His mom and his dad          

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  always said he was a fighter. 

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 He had the bag                 
   when he was a kid,           

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that bag that he                
built with his own hands        

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  and hung from a tree.         

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 He filled it up                
   with peat moss, corn cobs,   

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  shoes, wood,                  

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 whatever he could put in there.

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 [Joe speaking]                 

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That's where his                
 power really came from.        

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The roots of his                
 thoughts, and his gut feeling, 

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came from that time in his life,

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what his mom and                
   his dad put in him.          

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   [Bernstein]                  
  Joe Frazier was able to come  

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  from the most                 
  difficult beginnings          

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and get to a very               
   lofty place in this world.   

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 [Watson] Growing up in         
Beaufort, South Carolina,       

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 there were hard times,         

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  but when you actually         
 lived in those times...        

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we really                       
 didn't know any better.        

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 Joe got into a                 
  little bit of trouble         

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as he got a little older,       

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  not older, much older, at 15. 

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Joe was, uh, 14,                
  15, worked on a farm.         

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 This Black kid is being        
   accosted by this white man.  

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   [chuckling]                  

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Joe had stuck up                
   for this Black kid,          

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  and, uh, the                  
 white man, um, decided         

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 that, uh, he was going         
 to, uh, beat Joe with his belt.

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  Joe said, being Joe,          

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   "I wouldn't do that, man."   

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   Joe's mom, um, said to him,  

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"Listen.                        

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 If you can't get along         

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 with the white                 
people here in Beaufort,        

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 you better leave, 'cause, um...

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  that's not, it's not          
   gonna end up good for you."  

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 Joe was forced                 
 out of South Carolina,         

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   but he never, ever           
  held any grudge towards that. 

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His mom put him on a bus        

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  with a couple of, uh,         
legs of fried chicken...        

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  ho...                         

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 and he took the bus on his own 
 from, uh, Beaufort to New York.

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   What a horrific childhood,   

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and what it took                
   to get outta there.          

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 [newsreel theme plays]         

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[newsreel                       
 announcer] This is a free land 

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    in which we have a          
 right to work anywhere.        

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Joe Frazier came                
  to New York in 1959,          

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and moved in with               
   his brother, Tommy.          

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  They got to a                 
  little bit of trouble there!  

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 I mean, they-they tried        
 to start a little side hustle. 

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  [newsreel] We call it         
   "freedom of opportunity"...  

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   [newsreel] ...and it means   

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 there is a free                
  market for our skills.        

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 [Joe speaking]                 

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   [laughing]                   

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 He was married                 
   at 16 and had kids,          

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 and he was acting like         
   a grown man at that point.   

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   During the day, you          
   work at all kinds of jobs,   

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 when you can find them.        

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 Money's scarce,                
particularly when               

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  yours and Florence's          
 son Marvis comes along         

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  in September of 1960.         

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  I got married                 
 when I was real young.         

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 He was working                 
  in a slaughterhouse.          

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He put on weight.               

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   At the age of 'bout          
   16, I was about 230 pounds,  

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so I had a little               
  problem of, you know,         

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of fitting up in clothes,       

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 so therefore, I                
  couldn't afford the clothes,  

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   so I had to find somethin'   
  to do to get that weight off, 

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   and then I                   
 found out how to punch.        

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 When I went in the gym,        

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they had about 12               
 heavyweights in there,         

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   and by the time I left out,  
 I was the only guy in the gym. 

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  [Ralph Edwards] Fortunately,  

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   you meet someone who         
  sees potential in you.        

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 Joe, your close                
    friend and manager          

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   since the beginning          
  of your boxing career,        

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    Mr. Yancey 'Yank' Durham.   

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   You saw Joe's, uh,           
 potential early, Yank?         

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[Durham] Yes. Joe               
  was a dedicated boy.          

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   He would, his determination  
   was so great that I figured  

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  that, uh, Joe                 
  would go all the way.         

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 [Joe Hand Jr.] In a boxing gym,

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  trainers like to keep         
  training sessions controlled, 

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 but Yank Durham                
 didn't let Joe do that.        

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  He let him be                 

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   as ferocious and aggressive  
as he could possibly be.        

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  Lot of people                 
  don't know, that, uh,         

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  when I first started with him,

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    he thought he was           
  the type of a fighter         

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that could move around the ring,

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   and I said,                  
 "Look, this is nonsense,       

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it's something we have to stop. 

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  You're too short for a boxer. 

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    You're a fighter,           
   you have the power,          

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   and you got to keep applying 
   pressure on these fighters." 

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   Felt like that relationship  

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   was, uh, a                   
father-son relationship.        

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 And Joe relied                 
   completely on Yank Durham.   

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  [newscaster] Frazier          
   won 38 of 40 amateur fights, 

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grinding through all opposition 

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  to three Golden Glove titles. 

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 [announcer] Round three        
    of the 1964 Olympic Trials  

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   between heavyweights         
  Buster Mathis and Joe Frazier.

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   Mathis is enormous!          
  He weighs 300 pounds.         

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Joe lost to Buster Mathis       
 in the Olympic trials,         

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   but Buster broke his hand,   

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 so Joe Frazier                 
  went to the Olympics.         

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 [Joe speaking]                 

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   [laughing]                   

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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  He broke his                  
 hand in the semifinal,         

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 and had to figure out a        
   way to fight in that final   

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 with that broken hand!         

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   Joe had his own medication.  

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 [Joe Hand Sr.]                 
   Dolly, his mother,           

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 she was just a beauty.         

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 Corn-cob pipe,                 
sitting on a front porch.       

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  Dolly would eat dirt          
 every day with a spoon.        

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She would go out,               

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   and then find some           
of this peat soil stuff,        

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   and eat it,                  

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 and I asked Joe                
   what it was about,           

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  and he said, "That's          
  where you get the goodness."  

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  You know, she wanted          
  the minerals from the earth.  

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 Joe Frazier was                
  from Gullah culture.          

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  In the Gullah                 
 culture and tradition,         

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   we were spiritually          
into the church,                

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 but at the same                
 time, being into root,         

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  and witches, spirits.         

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  You couldn't go to a doctor,  

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 so Joe always concocted things.

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  They came from his childhood, 

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the most obscure                
things you could imagine        

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to fix something.               

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 Whether it was the flu,        

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whether his back                
was hurting, arthritis...       

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  Sometimes he'd write          
 on the jar what it was.        

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   He might just put,           
  "hair growing" there.         

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If you've got bad               
  hands from hitting the bags,  

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   "Come here, son, let me put  
  some of this stuff on there." 

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Joe used to take                
  a big mayonnaise jar          

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 and fill it with liquor        
and orange peels and rock candy,

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  and have it sit and marinate  
 for about two or three months, 

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and shake it up,                

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 and every time                 
   we'd go someplace,           

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   he would take some of that,  

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 and that would                 
   be his medication,           

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 for whatever ailed him.        

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His big thing was               
 Westley's Tire Cleaner.        

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It was a special cleaner        

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that they had for               
 the limousine company,         

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  for the white walls,          

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so he'd spray it on a toothbrush

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 and then brush                 
   his teeth with it.           

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Gargle something,               

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   maybe Courvoisier,           
   maybe lemon juice.           

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   In his mind, he was, like,   

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   "Hey, if it's gonna          
  make the tires white,         

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   it'll make my teeth white."  
   [laughing]                   

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 [Bernstein] Joe Frazier        
made the most of his opportunity

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 [Bernstein] Joe Frazier        
made the most of his opportunity

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in 1964.                        

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   He was going to get          
  the job done, no matter what. 

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   Fighters have, many times,   

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fought with injuries that       
 they sustained during a fight, 

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   but it's very rare           

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that somebody goes into a       
 fight with that kind of injury.

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   It's emblematic of Frazier.  

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  Joe Frazier, who was          
   concealing a broken thumb,   

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won a gold medal.               

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 [Slone] Joe was very patriotic.

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 He was the only                
   American to win it,          

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and he was so, so proud of that.

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   [Florence Frazier] In 1964,  

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  when Joe came                 
 back from the Olympics,        

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 things was awful               
 hard for Joe and myself.       

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 Look, he was a                 
  guy with a bad hand.          

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   Wasn't particularly verbal.  

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 Joe Frazier was                
   country, you know,           

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   and Joe didn't have          
   the wordplay to deny this.   

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   He was a reflection          
 of those country roots.        

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  An Olympic gold medal         

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  was a very different          
phenomenon, economically,       

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 in those days,                 

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   and at that point,           

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   there was no way of knowing  

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   that hwas going to become    
   the fighter that he became.  

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   Well, I done                 
   spent most of the...         

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 most of our savings to,        
  to buy, uh, food for the kids,

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    and pay the bills           
    and rent, and everything.   

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    His hand was broke          
  and he couldn't work,         

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  and I had the                 
  children to care for,         

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  I couldn't work, so...        

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   we were just sort of stuck.  

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   He had shrapnel in           
   his eye from the speed bag,  

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a little sliver of steel        
 that cut into his eye's retina.

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 It made him 80%                
blind in one eye,               

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and he fought his               
 whole career that way.         

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 Yank, you told Dr. Gray        

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   that you thought it          
   would take at least $5,000   

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 to get Joe launched on         
  a professional fight career.  

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 [Durham] That's true. I        
   sit and talk with Dr. Gray,  

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 and I asked him                
  about a co-operation,         

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 so he talked to various people,

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 and we got the                 
  corporation together,         

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   that's where we are today.   

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[interviewer] Mr. Wright,       

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 how and why was                
Cloverlay formed?               

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   [Bruce Wright] Dr.           
  Baldwin had asked me          

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 to give him a method of        
   sponsoring a prizefighter.   

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 How did you get                
involved with Cloverlay?        

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 I read about it                
in the newspaper,               

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and I called Dr. Baldwin        

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regarding a purchase of a share.

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My dad showed up                
   at the next meeting          

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 with 500 hours,                

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 and now he was                 

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   one of the                   
   founding guys of Cloverlay.  

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 [Wright] We guaranteed         
Joe $100 a week for three years,

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   and this was before          
any earnings had come in.       

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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Cloverlay really                
   looked out for Joe Frazier.  

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 [interviewer] Isn't it         
   kind of unusual for a woman  

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  to be part owner of a boxer?  

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Yes, that's what                
  made it so thrilling.         

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  [♪♪♪]                         

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 They were guiding Joe's career.

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They didn't want to exploit Joe,

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   they wanted to see           
  that Joe was fairly treated.  

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[Joe] It's a real               
 good feeling, you know,        

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   that you really got          
   people like that behind ya,  

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and, uh, they're                
  wonderful people to be with.  

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You could kind of               
 brag to your neighbor,         

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   to your boss or coworkers,   
that you owned a fighter.       

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 They would sell                
 these shares of stock,         

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   and they were $250.          

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The Joe Frazier/Cloverlay       
  story became popular.         

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As time went by,                
 they increased in value        

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   to, what I                   
remember someone saying,        

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  like, almost $14,000 a share. 

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You think it was                
   a good investment?           

389
00:17:59,978 --> 00:18:02,281
Very good. I have no complaints.

390
00:18:02,448 --> 00:18:06,518
 I was rooting for Joe Frazier, 
  who I loved as a boxing fan.  

391
00:18:06,652 --> 00:18:09,955
I loved watching him run through
the Heavyweight Division.       

392
00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:11,623
   [announcer] Frazier          
  was the only American         

393
00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:16,628
   to win a gold medal          
   in the 1964 Olympic Boxing.  

394
00:18:16,795 --> 00:18:17,930
   And Frazier is down!         

395
00:18:18,030 --> 00:18:20,866
[crowd cheering]                

396
00:18:21,033 --> 00:18:22,534
  At 11 and 0,                  

397
00:18:22,701 --> 00:18:26,138
  he faced a very tough         
   fighter in Oscar Bonavena,   

398
00:18:26,271 --> 00:18:30,242
a South American fighter        
  who had power in both hands,  

399
00:18:30,409 --> 00:18:32,911
   and because of the           
  style Frazier fought,         

400
00:18:33,045 --> 00:18:35,881
   it was two                   
 trucks coming together.        

401
00:18:36,014 --> 00:18:38,350
   Bonavena is probably         
 the stronger of the two,       

402
00:18:38,484 --> 00:18:40,686
    and has fought the          
   more experienced opponents.  

403
00:18:48,694 --> 00:18:50,129
   Frazier down again!          

404
00:18:50,262 --> 00:18:52,664
   There was a                  
 three-knockdown rule in effect,

405
00:18:52,798 --> 00:18:54,099
   so his career at that point  

406
00:18:54,233 --> 00:18:56,435
could have been short-circuited.

407
00:19:04,343 --> 00:19:05,811
Yank Durham was furious.        

408
00:19:05,944 --> 00:19:07,546
 Joe had gotten sloppy.         

409
00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:11,250
He had started to believe       
that he couldn't be hurt.       

410
00:19:11,383 --> 00:19:14,052
 "I lay hands on                
  them and they fall."          

411
00:19:14,186 --> 00:19:15,587
[crowd cheering]                

412
00:19:15,721 --> 00:19:17,389
  [announcer] And there         
  it is, the final bell!        

413
00:19:17,489 --> 00:19:21,093
That was a real crucible        
  for him early in his career,  

414
00:19:21,226 --> 00:19:23,162
but still won a decision.       

415
00:19:23,295 --> 00:19:25,564
    But you came on to          
  win, I wanna congratulate you,

416
00:19:25,697 --> 00:19:27,032
 you're still undefeated,       

417
00:19:27,199 --> 00:19:29,201
    and you're                  
certainly a wonderful prospect. 

418
00:19:29,334 --> 00:19:30,636
    One of these days,          

419
00:19:30,736 --> 00:19:32,104
 we hope to have                
  you in a title fight.         

420
00:19:32,237 --> 00:19:33,438
Thank you very much. Everybody! 

421
00:19:33,572 --> 00:19:34,473
  Thank you very                
    much, Joe Frazier.          

422
00:19:34,573 --> 00:19:35,841
    Thank you!                  

423
00:19:35,974 --> 00:19:38,710
   The man to beat me           
  hasn't been born yet.         

424
00:19:38,810 --> 00:19:41,647
  [♪♪♪]                         

425
00:19:44,283 --> 00:19:45,784
I'm the Heavyweight Champ       
  of the World,                 

426
00:19:45,951 --> 00:19:47,920
   and I don't have to talk no  
more and say "I'm the greatest,"

427
00:19:48,086 --> 00:19:49,588
 because people                 
tell me I'm the greatest.       

428
00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:53,625
I am the                        
greatest. I am the king.        

429
00:19:54,993 --> 00:19:56,261
I'll be champion,               

430
00:19:56,361 --> 00:19:57,930
and I can stay in               
 the ring ten more years        

431
00:19:58,063 --> 00:19:59,331
 easy, I figure.                

432
00:19:59,464 --> 00:20:01,133
 So you're not prepared         
to discuss your feelings        

433
00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:02,501
 about the Vietnam War?         

434
00:20:02,634 --> 00:20:04,636
 Mm-mm.                         

435
00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:11,376
  [reporter] World Heavyweight  
  Champion Cassius Clay         

436
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:13,745
 refused to take the Oath       
   of Induction into the Army.  

437
00:20:13,879 --> 00:20:17,149
The Black Muslim fighter, who's 
   also known as Muhammad Ali,  

438
00:20:17,249 --> 00:20:18,850
 was immediately                
  stripped of his title         

439
00:20:18,984 --> 00:20:20,619
by the World Boxing Association.

440
00:20:20,752 --> 00:20:23,722
   My intention is to           
   box, to win a clean fight,   

441
00:20:23,855 --> 00:20:25,324
   but in war,                  

442
00:20:25,457 --> 00:20:28,460
   the intention is to          
 kill, kill, kill, kill,        

443
00:20:28,594 --> 00:20:31,029
  and continue                  
killing innocent people!        

444
00:20:31,129 --> 00:20:34,666
 Muhammad Ali refusing induction
   into the United States Army  

445
00:20:34,766 --> 00:20:36,235
  during the height of the war  

446
00:20:36,368 --> 00:20:41,840
had enormous sociological       
  and political impact.         

447
00:20:42,007 --> 00:20:45,711
Muhammad Ali was                
prohibited from fighting,       

448
00:20:45,811 --> 00:20:47,679
 and Madison Square Garden said 

449
00:20:47,813 --> 00:20:53,352
that New York State would       
 recognize a championship fight 

450
00:20:53,485 --> 00:20:56,455
   between Joe Frazier          
   and Buster Mathis.           

451
00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:58,490
Even the                        
fighters themselves know        

452
00:20:58,624 --> 00:21:00,959
   that they cannot be          
   considered world champions   

453
00:21:01,093 --> 00:21:02,394
  until they've                 
  fought Muhammad Ali.          

454
00:21:02,527 --> 00:21:04,029
  What are your                 
feelings about the demonstration

455
00:21:04,162 --> 00:21:05,664
   against the fight?           

456
00:21:05,831 --> 00:21:06,732
  Don't know anything about it. 

457
00:21:06,865 --> 00:21:07,966
Got the fight on my mind.       

458
00:21:08,133 --> 00:21:09,534
 I get out there                
and I go to work,               

459
00:21:09,668 --> 00:21:12,170
  and as long as Mathis         
wanna be there and be smoked on,

460
00:21:12,337 --> 00:21:13,538
  I'm gonna smoke him.          

461
00:21:13,772 --> 00:21:16,308
  [♪♪♪]                         

462
00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:20,012
  Even before I                 
  turned professional,          

463
00:21:20,145 --> 00:21:22,848
  I'd seen him                  
annihilate Buster Mathis.       

464
00:21:22,981 --> 00:21:24,916
He beat that boy, beat that boy,

465
00:21:25,217 --> 00:21:27,052
  and finally knocked him out.  

466
00:21:27,185 --> 00:21:28,287
   From that point on,          

467
00:21:28,387 --> 00:21:29,554
  everyone was                  
afraid of the small guy.        

468
00:21:29,721 --> 00:21:31,089
Frazier wasn't that big.        

469
00:21:31,223 --> 00:21:34,259
 He got the maximum out         
   of his physical abilities,   

470
00:21:34,393 --> 00:21:37,195
   fighting, you know,          
the best of competition,        

471
00:21:37,329 --> 00:21:39,031
  Eddie Machen,                 

472
00:21:39,164 --> 00:21:40,966
 George Chuvalo,                

473
00:21:41,099 --> 00:21:42,401
and Oscar Bonavena twice.       

474
00:21:42,534 --> 00:21:44,036
 [Hand Jr.] The                 
  second Oscar Bonavena fight,  

475
00:21:44,169 --> 00:21:45,537
  I was ten years old.          

476
00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:48,106
 Joe's son, Marvis, and         
   I were around the same age,  

477
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,441
and we were pretty good friends.

478
00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:51,343
   My dad, of                   
   course, put us at ringside.  

479
00:21:51,476 --> 00:21:54,913
  I remember it being,          
  like, kind of a brutal fight. 

480
00:21:59,151 --> 00:22:00,585
[Hand Jr.] After                
   the fight was over,          

481
00:22:00,719 --> 00:22:03,622
they rushed Marvis and I        
 back into Joe's dressing room, 

482
00:22:03,722 --> 00:22:05,457
and I see                       
 Oscar Bonavena walk in,        

483
00:22:05,624 --> 00:22:09,294
and Bonavena did                
 not have his eyes open,        

484
00:22:09,428 --> 00:22:11,163
'cause they were                
  swollen shut, at that point,  

485
00:22:11,296 --> 00:22:13,098
and somebody had to lift his arm

486
00:22:13,198 --> 00:22:15,934
 to put it into                 
  Joe's, and to shake his hand. 

487
00:22:16,101 --> 00:22:19,638
   The brutality of that sport  
 struck me that night, for sure,

488
00:22:19,738 --> 00:22:21,239
 and it, and it                 
   doesn't leave you.           

489
00:22:21,373 --> 00:22:23,675
  It's a brutal, brutal sport.  

490
00:22:28,747 --> 00:22:30,615
 Tomorrow night,                
 Joe fights Jimmy Ellis         

491
00:22:30,782 --> 00:22:32,951
 for the                        
 World Heavyweight Championship 

492
00:22:33,051 --> 00:22:35,087
at Madison Square Garden.       

493
00:22:35,220 --> 00:22:37,956
 Music was what                 
  he, he enjoyed doing,         

494
00:22:38,056 --> 00:22:40,258
and people let him do it.       

495
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,095
   But right now, here          
he is with The Knockouts,       

496
00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:44,596
singing "Knock on Wood."        

497
00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:45,931
   [match bell dings]           

498
00:22:46,031 --> 00:22:47,566
[crowd screaming]               

499
00:22:47,733 --> 00:22:50,235
  [♪♪♪]                         

500
00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:52,738
♪ I don't want to lose ♪        

501
00:22:52,871 --> 00:22:54,673
♪ This good thing, baby ♪       

502
00:22:54,773 --> 00:22:56,575
 ♪ That I got ♪                 

503
00:22:56,708 --> 00:22:57,909
 ♪ If I do... ♪                 

504
00:22:58,076 --> 00:22:59,678
  To go on The Ed Sullivan Show 

505
00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:03,181
   before the day he's          
   gonna fight Jimmy Ellis...   

506
00:23:03,348 --> 00:23:05,183
Live! And it was live back then!

507
00:23:05,317 --> 00:23:06,618
 ...he's supposed to be resting.

508
00:23:06,752 --> 00:23:08,220
  I mean, this guy was,         
 like, made of concrete.        

509
00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,088
  ♪ I wonder Do                 
  you feel it, baby? ♪          

510
00:23:10,222 --> 00:23:11,289
♪ Oww! ♪                        

511
00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,125
  ♪ I wonder, do you feel it? ♪ 

512
00:23:13,258 --> 00:23:14,659
♪ Knock on wood ♪               

513
00:23:14,793 --> 00:23:17,028
  Not only was he doing         
   a good job on Ed Sullivan,   

514
00:23:17,195 --> 00:23:18,397
  he walks in the ring          

515
00:23:18,497 --> 00:23:20,399
and does his day                
   job extremely well.          

516
00:23:20,532 --> 00:23:23,602
[announcer] Champion Joe Frazier
  takes on Jimmy Ellis.         

517
00:23:26,171 --> 00:23:28,473
The bob-and-weave               
style was staying low...        

518
00:23:28,607 --> 00:23:31,376
   like the Henry Armstrongs,   
the Tysons of the world.        

519
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:33,211
 That's my whole                
  trick about fighting,         

520
00:23:33,345 --> 00:23:34,713
  you know what I mean?         

521
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,282
Stay close on a man, and        
  take the room away from him.  

522
00:23:37,416 --> 00:23:39,518
   There was a lot of           
nuance to what he did, you know?

523
00:23:39,651 --> 00:23:41,520
He would use his                
jab on different levels,        

524
00:23:41,653 --> 00:23:42,888
then he'd double                
   with the left hook,          

525
00:23:42,988 --> 00:23:44,022
 so that'd surprise you.        

526
00:23:44,156 --> 00:23:45,524
  When you perfect it,          

527
00:23:45,657 --> 00:23:47,926
   it's very tough for          
   any opponent to deal with.   

528
00:23:48,059 --> 00:23:49,461
  Jimmy Ellis, to Joe,          

529
00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:51,997
 was just too relentless        
and too powerful for him.       

530
00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:53,899
   He goes out                  

531
00:23:53,999 --> 00:23:55,567
   and knocks                   
 Jimmy Ellis out in five rounds.

532
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,335
   [sportscaster] Joe           
 Frazier becomes                

533
00:23:57,502 --> 00:23:59,504
    the undisputed Heavyweight  
  Champion of the World         

534
00:23:59,638 --> 00:24:01,006
    in Madison Square Garden.   

535
00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:01,973
   An elated...                 

536
00:24:02,140 --> 00:24:04,776
  [audience applauding]         

537
00:24:06,478 --> 00:24:09,915
  [♪♪♪]                         

538
00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:13,718
 America in 1971                

539
00:24:13,819 --> 00:24:16,688
was divided over                
   the war in Vietnam,          

540
00:24:16,822 --> 00:24:19,591
 it was divided                 
   over racial issues.          

541
00:24:20,859 --> 00:24:23,962
 Think about the                
   assassination of Malcolm X,  

542
00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:25,030
   Martin Luther King,          

543
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:26,164
 Robert Kennedy,                

544
00:24:26,264 --> 00:24:27,566
 and, of course,                

545
00:24:27,699 --> 00:24:30,135
 Muhammad Ali's                 
  three-and-a-half-year exile.  

546
00:24:30,235 --> 00:24:32,437
  [♪♪♪]                         

547
00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:33,738
  Black people got to the point 

548
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,474
   where they                   
couldn't take it no more.       

549
00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:38,176
  To make some                  
   people understand sometimes  

550
00:24:38,343 --> 00:24:40,378
 you have to use                
   bottles and bricks.          

551
00:24:40,545 --> 00:24:42,647
  You may not intend on         
   it, you don't wanna use it,  

552
00:24:42,747 --> 00:24:44,516
 but then again,                
you just have to.               

553
00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:46,585
  [Hauser] Muhammad Ali and Joe 

554
00:24:46,718 --> 00:24:51,456
  really became                 
surrogates for that culture war,

555
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:54,759
Muhammad                        
   willingly, Joe unwillingly.  

556
00:24:54,893 --> 00:24:56,928
  When it came to the politics, 
 and the wars and stuff,        

557
00:24:57,095 --> 00:24:59,431
   he said, "I'm not qualified  
  to make a judgment on that."  

558
00:24:59,564 --> 00:25:00,899
 For Joe Frazier                
to be a champion,               

559
00:25:01,032 --> 00:25:02,200
   he's gotta beat me.          

560
00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:16,948
There were times                
   during Ali's exile           

561
00:25:17,082 --> 00:25:18,550
 when they were quite friendly. 

562
00:25:18,683 --> 00:25:21,219
Before he had his               
  title, uh, stripped from him, 

563
00:25:21,386 --> 00:25:22,721
 I had a lot of respect for him.

564
00:25:22,854 --> 00:25:26,925
   Joe was helpful to           
 Ali in different ways.         

565
00:25:57,155 --> 00:25:58,056
You, Joe Frazier!               

566
00:25:58,189 --> 00:25:59,791
   I want my bout with y'all!   

567
00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:01,092
 Ali was angry.                 

568
00:26:01,226 --> 00:26:03,528
He'd been stripped of his title.

569
00:26:03,662 --> 00:26:07,599
  He was being                  
treated by many Americans       

570
00:26:07,732 --> 00:26:09,968
 as an object of scorn.         

571
00:26:15,106 --> 00:26:16,541
 Joe said to me,                

572
00:26:16,675 --> 00:26:19,377
  "This scam booger has         
   got my money in his pocket,  

573
00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:20,912
 and he's talkin' bad about me."

574
00:26:21,046 --> 00:26:22,681
 The whole time,                
  going back, he said,          

575
00:26:22,814 --> 00:26:24,316
  "Yeah, I was                  
   talking to him in the car,   

576
00:26:24,449 --> 00:26:25,917
but I was thinking of how       

577
00:26:26,017 --> 00:26:28,019
   I'm gonna kill him           
  in the ring legally."         

578
00:26:43,935 --> 00:26:44,936
   [chuckling]                  

579
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:49,574
 When the white                 
   man took his title           

580
00:26:49,674 --> 00:26:52,877
   and denied him a chance to   
  do anything to make a living, 

581
00:26:53,044 --> 00:26:54,412
  Joe Frazier stood up.         

582
00:26:54,579 --> 00:26:55,914
  He came to the plate.         

583
00:26:56,014 --> 00:26:58,683
 The main thing,                
   we were responsible          

584
00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:00,518
 for him to get                 
   half of the purse,           

585
00:27:00,652 --> 00:27:03,288
  and after he got this money,  
   and got a little foothold,   

586
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,723
  you know what I mean,         

587
00:27:04,856 --> 00:27:06,491
 he tried to do                 
  everything and say everything 

588
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,093
 to put me down.                

589
00:27:19,738 --> 00:27:21,439
[Watson] It was 2.5 million each

590
00:27:21,573 --> 00:27:23,208
  that they got for that fight. 

591
00:27:23,341 --> 00:27:25,143
  That was the                  
  biggest sports payoff         

592
00:27:25,276 --> 00:27:27,646
   that an athlete got          
in the history of sports.       

593
00:27:27,779 --> 00:27:29,814
 It's the biggest fight,        
   because for the first time,  

594
00:27:29,948 --> 00:27:32,484
   you've had a witty, quick,   
 fast-talking heavyweight champ.

595
00:27:32,617 --> 00:27:34,052
When the most of                
them ask him a question,        

596
00:27:34,185 --> 00:27:35,186
"How do you feel, champ?"       

597
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,155
 [speaking in gibberish]        

598
00:27:37,288 --> 00:27:39,591
I think a lot of                
  Black people hear Ali saying, 

599
00:27:39,724 --> 00:27:40,925
"In addition to everything else,

600
00:27:41,059 --> 00:27:43,395
you're a country                
 boy, you're a farm boy.        

601
00:27:43,528 --> 00:27:45,597
 If you want to                 
   really get deep, you know,   

602
00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:47,132
 you're a field slave."         

603
00:27:47,265 --> 00:27:48,900
[continuing in gibberish]       

604
00:27:49,034 --> 00:27:52,671
 Ali called him                 
  stupid, called him ignorant,  

605
00:27:52,771 --> 00:27:54,105
 called him "Uncle Tom,"        

606
00:27:54,205 --> 00:27:56,141
 'cause he knew                 
 Frazier was sensitive to that, 

607
00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:58,410
   saying, "The white           
man is controlling you."        

608
00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:01,012
   'Cause he's the Uncle Tom.   

609
00:28:08,820 --> 00:28:11,956
 He told me, "Look, this        
guy keeps calling me Uncle Tom,"

610
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:13,525
 and he said, "I                
   don't want my wife thinking  

611
00:28:13,658 --> 00:28:15,093
  that I'm peeping in windows." 

612
00:28:15,226 --> 00:28:16,494
   He actually thought          

613
00:28:16,628 --> 00:28:17,829
 he was calling                 
   him a peeping Tom.           

614
00:28:17,962 --> 00:28:19,764
 He didn't know                 
 what an Uncle Tom was.         

615
00:28:19,931 --> 00:28:21,433
   He's the other-type Negro.   

616
00:28:21,566 --> 00:28:22,767
He's not like me.               

617
00:28:22,901 --> 00:28:26,438
[Hauser] It was damaging to Joe,

618
00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:30,642
and it also made                
that demeaning treatment        

619
00:28:30,775 --> 00:28:32,877
  of a certain                  
  kind of Black person          

620
00:28:32,977 --> 00:28:34,546
   acceptable,                  

621
00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:36,214
  which it shouldn't have been. 

622
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:37,348
 He's a brother.                

623
00:28:37,482 --> 00:28:38,817
  One day, he might be like me, 

624
00:28:38,983 --> 00:28:41,686
but as of now, he               
  works for the enemy.          

625
00:28:41,786 --> 00:28:44,122
 Ali had tried to paint         
  Joe Frazier as an Uncle Tom,  

626
00:28:44,255 --> 00:28:46,691
and somebody that               
  wasn't a part of the solution 

627
00:28:46,791 --> 00:28:47,959
for Black people,               

628
00:28:48,093 --> 00:28:49,561
  but was still                 
  part of the problem.          

629
00:28:49,694 --> 00:28:51,429
  Why did he insist on          
calling me Cassius Clay,        

630
00:28:51,563 --> 00:28:52,731
  when even the                 
   worst of the whites          

631
00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:54,265
 recognize Muhammad Ali?        

632
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:55,533
 He keeps saying "Clay"!        

633
00:28:55,667 --> 00:28:56,935
   "He's still                  
Clay, he gon' stay Clay,        

634
00:28:57,068 --> 00:28:58,937
   and, to me,                  
 he'll always be Clay."         

635
00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:01,973
 Joe, for a long                
 time, did call him Ali.        

636
00:29:02,107 --> 00:29:03,441
 Uh, Ali made a                 
 statement the other day        

637
00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:05,510
 that he wants, uh, six million,

638
00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:09,647
   It wasn't until Ali          
started disrespecting Joe       

639
00:29:09,781 --> 00:29:11,950
that Joe                        
started calling him Clay.       

640
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:14,953
I'm tired of all                
 these Uncle Tom Negros!        

641
00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:17,088
  You might be                  
  considered ignorant.          

642
00:29:17,222 --> 00:29:19,824
"Uncle Tom" is an               
entirely different thing.       

643
00:29:19,958 --> 00:29:22,761
 [Hauser] It was                
very hurtful to his kids.       

644
00:29:22,894 --> 00:29:24,229
   It's understandable          

645
00:29:24,329 --> 00:29:28,099
that Joe harbored               
the ill will that he did.       

646
00:29:28,233 --> 00:29:30,135
You talk from two               
  sides of your mouth!          

647
00:29:30,268 --> 00:29:32,370
One to the white,               
  and one to the Black!         

648
00:29:32,537 --> 00:29:37,108
  Many people, as we all know,  
 rooted for Muhammad Ali openly 

649
00:29:37,242 --> 00:29:38,443
  because they saw him          

650
00:29:38,576 --> 00:29:41,713
 as a symbol of                 
 the anti-war movement,         

651
00:29:41,813 --> 00:29:44,182
  and wrongly,                  
  Joe Frazier was somehow cast  

652
00:29:44,349 --> 00:29:46,351
 as this darling of the         
older white establishment       

653
00:29:46,484 --> 00:29:47,952
  in the United States.         

654
00:29:48,086 --> 00:29:52,357
   It's real difficult          
  for someone to say in public, 

655
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:54,259
  "I hate that                  
  nigga, Muhammad Ali,"         

656
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,761
so Joe serves the purpose       

657
00:29:56,895 --> 00:30:00,465
 of camouflaging                
some of the racist ideas        

658
00:30:00,598 --> 00:30:03,268
 of certain individuals.        

659
00:30:03,368 --> 00:30:05,170
   Now, these people,           
 they don't give a shit         

660
00:30:05,303 --> 00:30:06,304
   about Joe Frazier.           

661
00:30:06,471 --> 00:30:07,739
 The reality is,                

662
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:10,842
  they like Joe                 
   because he's fighting Ali.   

663
00:30:14,045 --> 00:30:14,546
  Look at me, steady as a rock. 

664
00:30:14,546 --> 00:30:17,148
  Look at me, steady as a rock. 

665
00:30:17,282 --> 00:30:20,251
 To Joe, it was a battle        
 of, uh... really, of religion. 

666
00:30:20,351 --> 00:30:24,189
  He felt like he was destined  
  and called for that position. 

667
00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:27,725
 Every person of                
 note was at that fight,        

668
00:30:27,859 --> 00:30:30,962
 whether they were in politics, 
 entertainment, sports,         

669
00:30:31,129 --> 00:30:32,130
  you name it.                  

670
00:30:32,297 --> 00:30:33,798
   We know it's a big           
fight when Frank Sinatra        

671
00:30:33,932 --> 00:30:35,900
 is a photographer at ringside. 

672
00:30:36,034 --> 00:30:38,369
Yank Durham, his trainer,       
   told him before the fight,   

673
00:30:38,469 --> 00:30:41,206
  "You win this fight,          
  your life's set up forever."  

674
00:30:41,339 --> 00:30:43,141
It was truly the                
  fight of the century.         

675
00:30:43,274 --> 00:30:45,043
  There hadn't                  
 been a fight like that,        

676
00:30:45,143 --> 00:30:47,011
 with that much                 
 magnitude, that much interest, 

677
00:30:47,111 --> 00:30:48,880
in the history of boxing.       

678
00:30:50,014 --> 00:30:52,350
  [Slone] Joe once told me that 
right before the fight with Ali,

679
00:30:52,483 --> 00:30:54,986
  he was in the dressing room,  
 and he asked for some privacy, 

680
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:56,788
  and he claims                 
   somebody came into the room  

681
00:30:56,921 --> 00:30:58,389
   and talked to him,           

682
00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,024
and, uh, he-he went out,        

683
00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:02,293
and he was upset                
 with the security guy,         

684
00:31:02,460 --> 00:31:03,561
   and he said, "Who was it?"   

685
00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:04,929
 And the                        
security guy assured him,       

686
00:31:05,063 --> 00:31:06,431
  "Nobody's been in that room." 

687
00:31:06,564 --> 00:31:10,101
 But Joe swore he got a         
 visit from a man wearing white,

688
00:31:10,235 --> 00:31:11,636
 and he told me,                
he said, he said,               

689
00:31:11,803 --> 00:31:12,937
"Rich," he said,                
   "When I was in that room,"   

690
00:31:13,071 --> 00:31:14,906
 he said, uh, "God came to me." 

691
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,409
He said, you know, like,        
"God, can I ask you a question?"

692
00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:19,944
   And God said, "Certainly."   

693
00:31:20,078 --> 00:31:22,947
 He said, uh, "If I kill        
   this motherfucker tonight,   

694
00:31:23,081 --> 00:31:24,249
  will you forgive me?"         

695
00:31:24,382 --> 00:31:26,851
  And he said,                  
 "The Lord said 'yes'."         

696
00:31:26,985 --> 00:31:28,853
   [announcer] The undisputed   

697
00:31:28,953 --> 00:31:31,089
 Heavyweight Championship       
  of the World.                 

698
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:34,125
 [commentator] Muhammad         
  Ali in the red trunks.        

699
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:35,793
Joe Frazier in the green trunks.

700
00:31:35,894 --> 00:31:36,928
 They appear very light.        

701
00:31:37,061 --> 00:31:39,330
   [funky intro plays]          

702
00:31:39,464 --> 00:31:42,967
   Frazier will try to          
   bore in and catch this man.  

703
00:31:43,101 --> 00:31:46,804
   I don't think that Muhammad  
   was ready for the pressure.  

704
00:31:46,905 --> 00:31:48,573
[commentator] Joe               
 keeps coming in!               

705
00:31:48,706 --> 00:31:49,807
  As he was attacking,          

706
00:31:49,908 --> 00:31:52,176
 there were many                
   different nuances,           

707
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:53,278
   and all the while,           

708
00:31:53,411 --> 00:31:55,380
a big part of it                
 was the head movement.         

709
00:32:03,054 --> 00:32:05,290
   [commentator] Ooh,           
   that must have hurt!         

710
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:19,637
  It is new for                 
 Muhammad not to be in control. 

711
00:32:19,771 --> 00:32:21,706
[commentator] If                
 anybody is psyched here,       

712
00:32:21,806 --> 00:32:23,608
  it is not Joe Frazier.        

713
00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:25,109
    Look at that hook!          

714
00:32:25,243 --> 00:32:27,011
That night, that                
fight, Joe was possessed.       

715
00:32:27,145 --> 00:32:29,280
 [commentator] Frazier's        
  just laughing at him!         

716
00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:30,281
 [bell ringing]                 

717
00:32:30,381 --> 00:32:32,650
    Round 11!                   

718
00:32:39,991 --> 00:32:41,592
   [commentator] That           
  one hurt, so did that!        

719
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,366
[commentator] All               
  right, this is the final round

720
00:32:48,499 --> 00:32:50,034
    of the fight, and           
 what a fight it's been!        

721
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:57,408
  [crowd roars]                 

722
00:32:57,575 --> 00:32:58,910
The 15th-round knockdown?       

723
00:32:59,043 --> 00:33:01,279
 The coup de grâce, man.        

724
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,948
 [Bentt] Joe walks away,        

725
00:33:04,082 --> 00:33:05,850
   and I'm sure he's thinking,  

726
00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:09,487
 "Am I a goddamn                
 Uncle Tom now, nigga?"         

727
00:33:10,788 --> 00:33:12,156
   He said to me once           

728
00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:15,460
  he didn't realize how         
much the correlation was        

729
00:33:15,626 --> 00:33:17,862
 between him using the left hook

730
00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:19,530
  and being his dad's left arm. 

731
00:33:19,664 --> 00:33:20,898
   [Joe] My father, you know,   

732
00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:22,800
   he had one arm, and          
I was his left-hand man,        

733
00:33:22,934 --> 00:33:24,669
 so therefore, I                
learned to use my left hand more

734
00:33:24,769 --> 00:33:26,070
than I did my right hand.       
-Really?                        

735
00:33:26,204 --> 00:33:28,239
  [Joe] I would go in the woods 

736
00:33:28,373 --> 00:33:31,042
   and probably pull the saw,   
  you know anything about that? 

737
00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:35,179
 The knockdown came from        
  a signature Joe Frazier move  

738
00:33:35,313 --> 00:33:37,448
   that nobody in the           
   sport has ever done better,  

739
00:33:37,615 --> 00:33:38,850
 and that's a double left hook. 

740
00:33:38,983 --> 00:33:41,119
  It's the most beautiful timed 

741
00:33:41,252 --> 00:33:43,588
work-of-art shot you'll ever see

742
00:33:43,721 --> 00:33:45,723
in the history of boxing,       

743
00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:48,026
and Joe didn't get his just due,

744
00:33:48,126 --> 00:33:50,028
  because Ali bounced back up.  

745
00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:52,163
 [Bernstein] In                 
   any other universe,          

746
00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:55,333
 that knockdown                 
 would be discussed as,         

747
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,036
   "Well, Joe Frazier           
  punctuates a big win          

748
00:33:58,169 --> 00:34:00,805
with a knockdown                
   in the 15th round."          

749
00:34:00,905 --> 00:34:02,040
  No, the narrative is,         

750
00:34:02,173 --> 00:34:04,208
 "How did he get                
   up? It's amazing."           

751
00:34:05,209 --> 00:34:06,878
 We were sitting                
  three rows ringside.          

752
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:10,481
Boom! His back didn't even stay.

753
00:34:10,615 --> 00:34:12,216
 Just, boom, he                 
 just come right back up        

754
00:34:12,383 --> 00:34:14,585
and stood up, and               
looked at him like that.        

755
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,055
  I said, "Okay. Okay."         

756
00:34:17,221 --> 00:34:18,723
  It's part of                  
  the bigger narrative          

757
00:34:18,856 --> 00:34:20,058
  that somehow                  

758
00:34:20,191 --> 00:34:22,660
the achievements                
 of Joe Frazier overall,        

759
00:34:22,827 --> 00:34:24,562
 and especially                 
  as it relates to Ali,         

760
00:34:24,695 --> 00:34:25,997
kind of get overshadowed.       

761
00:34:26,164 --> 00:34:27,432
 [Joe speaking]                 

762
00:34:36,941 --> 00:34:39,911
It's just hard to surpass       

763
00:34:40,011 --> 00:34:43,314
what Muhammad Ali               
  represents in 1971...         

764
00:34:43,448 --> 00:34:45,183
 -[bell ringing]                
  -There it is!                 

765
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:46,717
   [cheering]                   

766
00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:49,754
   ...so even                   
though Joe won the fight,       

767
00:34:49,887 --> 00:34:53,458
he's still cast in Ali's shadow.

768
00:34:53,558 --> 00:34:56,627
  The winner by                 
   unanimous decision,          

769
00:34:56,761 --> 00:34:59,630
   Joe Frazier!                 

770
00:34:59,764 --> 00:35:02,567
   [Hand Jr.] Joe just          
collapses in Yank's arms,       

771
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,535
and he gives him a fatherly hug.

772
00:35:04,702 --> 00:35:07,405
 It's a fatherly                
hug, not a trainer's hug.       

773
00:35:07,638 --> 00:35:09,574
  [♪♪♪]                         

774
00:35:16,647 --> 00:35:18,282
 [Slone] And the                
   action was so good,          

775
00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:20,184
 I heard two people died        
 of heart attacks in the arena. 

776
00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:22,086
   People in Northern Ireland   
that were having their troubles,

777
00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:23,721
apparently they stopped fighting

778
00:35:23,855 --> 00:35:26,224
  and watched the fight         
   on the same TV in the bars.  

779
00:35:26,357 --> 00:35:27,859
  It stopped the world.         

780
00:35:27,992 --> 00:35:30,828
One of the things               
   that people tend to forget   

781
00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:33,097
  was that Joe won that fight.  

782
00:35:33,231 --> 00:35:35,099
  That was the                  
   greatest fight of all time,  

783
00:35:35,233 --> 00:35:36,634
 and Joe Frazier won that fight.

784
00:35:36,734 --> 00:35:39,470
You think he was                
   clownin'? He couldn't move!  

785
00:35:39,604 --> 00:35:40,771
[press laughing]                

786
00:35:40,938 --> 00:35:42,707
  All them body                 
 shots piling up on him.        

787
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,609
  One, two, three, it adds up.  

788
00:35:44,742 --> 00:35:46,110
He would've died                

789
00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:48,513
before he allowed               
Muhammad Ali to beat him.       

790
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:56,287
Joe actually had started        
to have physical problems       

791
00:35:56,387 --> 00:35:58,189
  after the Jimmy Ellis fight.  

792
00:35:58,322 --> 00:36:01,192
   He had issues with           
  high blood pressure.          

793
00:36:07,899 --> 00:36:08,799
   [laughing]                   

794
00:36:14,772 --> 00:36:15,773
 The doc wanted to check me up. 

795
00:36:15,907 --> 00:36:17,208
He checked me up                

796
00:36:17,375 --> 00:36:18,976
  and find out that my          
 blood's a little high.         

797
00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:20,311
 I was with him the whole time. 

798
00:36:20,444 --> 00:36:23,080
 For two, three                 
 days, he was in there.         

799
00:36:23,247 --> 00:36:25,183
   I was watching his           
  blood pressure go up          

800
00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:26,417
 and up and up.                 

801
00:36:26,551 --> 00:36:28,753
  I said if we                  
  got to 300 and some,          

802
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,021
 he would get a stroke.         

803
00:36:30,154 --> 00:36:31,889
Muhammad Ali wins when he loses,

804
00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:33,357
 because all the                
 interviews afterwards,         

805
00:36:33,524 --> 00:36:36,127
  he's going, "Look at          
   me. Not a mark on my face.   

806
00:36:36,260 --> 00:36:37,962
  Joe Frazier's all busted up." 

807
00:36:38,095 --> 00:36:39,764
 If you look at                 
Frazier's face and look at mine,

808
00:36:39,897 --> 00:36:41,265
 there's no comparison.         

809
00:36:41,399 --> 00:36:43,701
   I'm sure I hit him           
three times more than he hit me,

810
00:36:43,801 --> 00:36:45,503
 if you watch the film.         

811
00:36:45,603 --> 00:36:48,839
   Joe got much less enjoyment  
 from his time as World Champion

812
00:36:48,940 --> 00:36:50,341
 than he would have had         

813
00:36:50,474 --> 00:36:53,311
  if Ali had painted a          
   different portrait of him.   

814
00:36:53,444 --> 00:36:55,079
 I feel like I'm                
ready to go, man.               

815
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:57,181
  I'm trying to get out         
of here as fast as I can.       

816
00:36:57,315 --> 00:36:58,449
Number one, he's ugly...        

817
00:36:58,616 --> 00:37:00,518
   [laughter]                   

818
00:37:00,685 --> 00:37:01,752
 [Hauser] It's a shame,         

819
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:05,489
  'cause Joe's                  
 experience was far more typical

820
00:37:05,623 --> 00:37:07,458
  of the Black                  
  experience in America         

821
00:37:07,592 --> 00:37:08,793
   than Ali's,                  

822
00:37:08,926 --> 00:37:11,028
 and they should                
have been allies,               

823
00:37:11,162 --> 00:37:12,964
rather than adversaries.        

824
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:16,534
 And who told him he could sing?

825
00:37:16,701 --> 00:37:18,102
 He got him a big band,         

826
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,104
  he started traveling          
  the world with his new title, 

827
00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:22,440
   thinking that he's           
 gonna sell 'em all out.        

828
00:37:22,573 --> 00:37:23,641
  What is there to worry about? 

829
00:37:23,774 --> 00:37:25,142
   [laughing]                   

830
00:37:25,276 --> 00:37:27,078
  The fighting money's          
 good, the singing money's good.

831
00:37:27,178 --> 00:37:29,780
   Look, and I can do           
 both of 'em. You know?         

832
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:31,349
   Why should I let it go by?   

833
00:37:31,449 --> 00:37:33,985
 And I'm having                 
 fun while I'm doing it.        

834
00:37:34,118 --> 00:37:35,386
  Every time I                  
  would read the paper,         

835
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,021
there's a Joe Frazier appearance

836
00:37:37,154 --> 00:37:38,489
in this place in England,       

837
00:37:38,589 --> 00:37:41,025
 the arena held                 
  10,000, 37 people showed up.  

838
00:37:41,192 --> 00:37:42,526
   [laughter]                   

839
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:44,028
   [Bentt] He's going           
off on this concert tour,       

840
00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:45,596
 like, you know?                

841
00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:49,033
  And that to me is an          
 indication of, like, you know, 

842
00:37:49,166 --> 00:37:52,069
 he's not really                
   being a disciplined soldier  

843
00:37:52,203 --> 00:37:54,105
   to his craft, man.           

844
00:37:54,338 --> 00:37:56,440
  [♪♪♪]                         

845
00:37:56,540 --> 00:37:59,143
♪ Girl, try to remember ♪       

846
00:37:59,243 --> 00:38:00,711
[crowd cheering]                

847
00:38:00,845 --> 00:38:02,580
  ♪ We've had issues ♪          

848
00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:06,484
   ♪ We stuck                   
   together Just me and you ♪   

849
00:38:06,584 --> 00:38:08,552
[Bentt] A                       
fighter's life is, uh...        

850
00:38:08,686 --> 00:38:10,288
   is brutal.                   

851
00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:12,757
  He was too courageous         
  to admit, you know, that, um, 

852
00:38:12,923 --> 00:38:16,794
   "I'm really not cut          
  out for this thing right now. 

853
00:38:16,894 --> 00:38:18,329
   I think I've hit my peak."   

854
00:38:18,462 --> 00:38:21,999
  Joe Frazier did what          
   he had to do for the world,  

855
00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:24,602
  and that was                  
  quiet the butterfly.          

856
00:38:24,769 --> 00:38:28,139
After '71, he was               
 the people's champion,         

857
00:38:28,272 --> 00:38:30,408
 so he became the partying Joe. 

858
00:38:30,574 --> 00:38:32,977
 He was with people everywhere, 

859
00:38:33,110 --> 00:38:35,212
drinking and having a good time.

860
00:38:35,346 --> 00:38:37,648
He had an eye for               
   the ladies, always.          

861
00:38:37,782 --> 00:38:40,051
   He had some of the           
 prettiest women on the planet. 

862
00:38:40,184 --> 00:38:41,519
  [Averona Jr.] He loved women. 

863
00:38:41,619 --> 00:38:43,888
He would go like                
  this, "Oof, look at that, Bo. 

864
00:38:44,021 --> 00:38:45,523
That's an                       
 18-wheeler over there."        

865
00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:47,525
That's what he would say because
   she was built in the back.   

866
00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:48,759
 [Joe speaking]                 

867
00:39:00,871 --> 00:39:01,939
   [laughing]                   

868
00:39:06,377 --> 00:39:08,045
  [Averona Jr.] So when         
 his dad was running moonshine, 

869
00:39:08,212 --> 00:39:09,447
Joe would be in the car,        

870
00:39:09,547 --> 00:39:11,082
so he said, "We'd               
 pull up to this place,"        

871
00:39:11,215 --> 00:39:13,050
he goes, "And he                
had me waiting in the car       

872
00:39:13,217 --> 00:39:14,719
 for friggin' two hours,        

873
00:39:14,885 --> 00:39:17,088
so one day, I got out of the car
 and I sneaked up the driveway."

874
00:39:17,221 --> 00:39:18,389
 He said, "I look in the window,

875
00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:19,757
  and I see him                 
kissing a woman and all,        

876
00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:22,326
  that son of a                 
  gun! So I'd run back,         

877
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:24,061
and I would hide                
  in the car and wait."         

878
00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:25,629
 And Rubin'd be                 
gone for an hour or two,        

879
00:39:25,763 --> 00:39:27,765
and then when Joe               
  got of a certain age,         

880
00:39:27,865 --> 00:39:31,068
  he would, he would go         
   in and chase the daughter.   

881
00:39:31,202 --> 00:39:33,204
   He said, "So after a while,  

882
00:39:33,337 --> 00:39:35,106
I started                       
 kissing the daughters."        

883
00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:36,707
   [laughs] It's a true story!  

884
00:39:36,807 --> 00:39:38,809
   He said, "I started          
 kissing the daughters."        

885
00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,747
  [♪♪♪]                         

886
00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:47,685
   [Arum] Yank Durham           
   was an old-line boxing guy,  

887
00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:50,421
 which meant that if you had the
  Heavyweight Champion,         

888
00:39:50,521 --> 00:39:52,156
 you'd take easy fights         

889
00:39:52,289 --> 00:39:55,459
   and pick up                  
   whatever money's available.  

890
00:39:55,593 --> 00:39:57,628
  [commentator] Frazier         
   cutting him to ribbons now!  

891
00:39:57,762 --> 00:39:59,430
  The title is                  
  just, it's just here.         

892
00:39:59,563 --> 00:40:00,998
 You know what I                
  mean? And I have it,          

893
00:40:01,132 --> 00:40:03,534
  so anybody would like         
   to try to take it from me,   

894
00:40:03,667 --> 00:40:05,436
 then these guys                
   gonna have to challenge me,  

895
00:40:05,569 --> 00:40:07,938
  and these guys ain't          
 doing nothin' but making noise.

896
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:12,176
[Arum] The boxing               
  organizations said "enough."  

897
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:16,313
  Frazier had to fight          
the number-one contender,       

898
00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,182
 who was George Foreman.        

899
00:40:18,282 --> 00:40:20,117
 [blows thudding on bag]        

900
00:40:22,353 --> 00:40:24,221
   George Foreman, back then?   

901
00:40:24,388 --> 00:40:26,424
Hoo! Was a beast.               

902
00:40:26,557 --> 00:40:27,658
   [reporter]                   
   Foreman is fresh and good.   

903
00:40:27,792 --> 00:40:29,994
 Frazier, since                 
   his bout with Ali,           

904
00:40:30,127 --> 00:40:31,328
 has only fought twice,         

905
00:40:31,495 --> 00:40:32,596
and both of those               
opponents were nobodies.        

906
00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:35,299
 The old bromide                
 that styles make fights        

907
00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:38,269
  is never more                 
   evident than in this match.  

908
00:40:38,402 --> 00:40:39,537
  [Howard Cosell] Well,         
  they're trying                

909
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:40,905
 to psych each other out.       

910
00:40:41,038 --> 00:40:43,607
 I expected Joe Frazier         
 to beat George Foreman.        

911
00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:46,343
  [Cosell] We may have          
 an interesting evening.        

912
00:40:46,510 --> 00:40:48,479
  Frazier, quite                
   understandably the favorite. 

913
00:40:48,612 --> 00:40:51,015
[Bentt] When George comes       
 out and makes that first swing,

914
00:40:51,148 --> 00:40:53,617
that is saying, "Hey, I'm here."

915
00:40:53,751 --> 00:40:56,720
  [Cosell] There is no          
 fear in George Foreman.        

916
00:40:56,854 --> 00:40:58,889
  That's a lie.                 
 He's terrified of Joe.         

917
00:40:59,023 --> 00:41:00,758
 The one guy I'd                
gotten into the ring with       

918
00:41:00,925 --> 00:41:03,294
that I was really               
 frightened of was Joe Frazier, 

919
00:41:03,427 --> 00:41:04,595
because I'd followed his career.

920
00:41:04,728 --> 00:41:06,130
  I'd seen him                  
 stand up to everybody.         

921
00:41:06,263 --> 00:41:07,765
 You hit him hard, he liked it. 

922
00:41:07,898 --> 00:41:10,835
Foreman had this                
strategy of pushing Frazier off.

923
00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:14,071
He was physically               
 strong enough to do it.        

924
00:41:15,306 --> 00:41:18,309
 When George was                
pushing Joe away,               

925
00:41:18,476 --> 00:41:20,578
  he's upsetting Joe's balance. 

926
00:41:20,678 --> 00:41:24,315
  So many times in that         
 fight, and it didn't last long,

927
00:41:24,448 --> 00:41:25,649
  you'd see a left hook         

928
00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:27,818
4whistle past the               
 head of Foreman, short.        

929
00:41:27,952 --> 00:41:30,421
[Cosell] I think                
   he hurt Joe Frazier!         

930
00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:32,623
   I think Joe is hurt!         

931
00:41:32,756 --> 00:41:34,124
  We're driving                 
   in the car, I said,          

932
00:41:34,225 --> 00:41:35,693
  "Say, champ,                  
  tell me what happened         

933
00:41:35,826 --> 00:41:37,194
when you fought George Foreman."

934
00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:39,997
He said, "He hit                
 me and my legs shook."         

935
00:41:40,097 --> 00:41:41,398
  [man] Frazier's hurt!         

936
00:41:41,532 --> 00:41:43,000
 [Cosell] Angie Dundee,         
  Ali's trainer,                

937
00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,568
   right next to me is          
  saying, and you may hear him--

938
00:41:44,702 --> 00:41:46,604
    Down goes Frazier!          

939
00:41:46,704 --> 00:41:50,174
    Down goes                   
   Frazier! Down goes Frazier!  

940
00:41:50,307 --> 00:41:51,609
  "Down goes Frazier!"          

941
00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:53,410
   "So I tried                  
  everything I could," he said. 

942
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:54,979
 "The man hit like TNT."        

943
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,882
   [Cosell] Foreman is          
  all over Joe Frazier.         

944
00:41:57,982 --> 00:42:01,285
 Frazier is down                
 again, and he may be...        

945
00:42:01,418 --> 00:42:03,354
    oh, he is rising.           

946
00:42:03,487 --> 00:42:04,889
 Getting hit on                 
   the chin like that           

947
00:42:04,989 --> 00:42:08,392
 is tantamount to having        
  your... a computer unplugged. 

948
00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:11,061
He was still functional,        
but he was like a zombie.       

949
00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:13,397
  [Cosell] Two                  
  knock-downs in the first round

950
00:42:13,497 --> 00:42:14,999
 of Joe Frazier.                

951
00:42:15,132 --> 00:42:16,033
   Down again!                  

952
00:42:16,166 --> 00:42:17,401
  Oh, saved by the bell!        

953
00:42:17,501 --> 00:42:18,836
 [Joe speaking]                 

954
00:42:23,307 --> 00:42:25,175
   [Cosell] Frazier's           
  knees buckled.                

955
00:42:25,276 --> 00:42:26,744
 He is-- oh, he is down!        

956
00:42:26,911 --> 00:42:29,880
    He is down for the          
    fourth time in the fight!   

957
00:42:33,517 --> 00:42:35,653
  Foreman had the perfect style 

958
00:42:35,786 --> 00:42:39,290
to beat a                       
 fighter of Joe's style.        

959
00:42:39,390 --> 00:42:40,424
 He was too big.                

960
00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:42,359
[Cosell] It is over. It is over.

961
00:42:42,526 --> 00:42:43,961
  George Foreman                

962
00:42:44,094 --> 00:42:47,031
   is the Heavyweight Champion  
  of the World!                 

963
00:42:47,197 --> 00:42:49,066
 They could've fought ten times,

964
00:42:49,166 --> 00:42:52,169
   and George probably          
  would've won all ten.         

965
00:42:52,336 --> 00:42:53,370
  [Durham] Just                 
   one of those things.         

966
00:42:53,504 --> 00:42:54,705
Joe got fogged with a good shot,

967
00:42:54,872 --> 00:42:56,507
  and no fighter, I don't think,

968
00:42:56,674 --> 00:42:57,575
    no man would have           
    stood up under that shot.   

969
00:42:57,675 --> 00:42:58,842
  Getting up six times          

970
00:42:59,009 --> 00:43:00,611
   after being                  
 knocked down six times?        

971
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:02,179
  That's courage, man,          

972
00:43:02,313 --> 00:43:04,048
 and we have to                 
   admire that in Joe,          

973
00:43:04,181 --> 00:43:05,416
 because he was willing to die. 

974
00:43:05,549 --> 00:43:07,418
  [Cosell] You                  
going to seek a rematch?        

975
00:43:07,551 --> 00:43:08,719
  Yeah, I would like to fight,  

976
00:43:08,886 --> 00:43:10,087
or, you know, get               
   a rematch with him.          

977
00:43:10,220 --> 00:43:12,623
   Styles make fights.          

978
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:15,025
 I think styles                 
have a lot to do with it,       

979
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,461
   but then, after he           
had beaten Muhammad Ali,        

980
00:43:17,595 --> 00:43:19,496
   there was not much           
  left of Joe Frazier.          

981
00:43:19,663 --> 00:43:21,298
 If I had fought                
 him two years earlier,         

982
00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:22,967
it wouldn't have been like that.

983
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,702
 I didn't fight                 
  the best Joe Frazier.         

984
00:43:24,835 --> 00:43:26,537
 Believe me, he wasn't the best.

985
00:43:26,704 --> 00:43:28,172
What we know now                

986
00:43:28,305 --> 00:43:32,576
  is that, uh, Joe had started  
to slack off in training.       

987
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:34,378
  Lee Grant was                 
here, God rest his soul,        

988
00:43:34,511 --> 00:43:36,113
  he was Joe's                  
   driver and his dear friend,  

989
00:43:36,246 --> 00:43:39,183
 and he said to me, "Bo,        
 don't listen to a word he said,

990
00:43:39,316 --> 00:43:41,719
because two weeks               
before the George Foreman fight,

991
00:43:41,852 --> 00:43:43,754
 he was hanging                 
   out with this one,           

992
00:43:43,887 --> 00:43:45,623
  and that one,                 
  you know what I mean?         

993
00:43:45,789 --> 00:43:47,992
 so he didn't take him serious."

994
00:43:48,192 --> 00:43:49,560
"Oh, yes, I did!"               

995
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:50,928
   And they started to          
get into it a little bit,       

996
00:43:51,095 --> 00:43:51,829
 like with one another.         

997
00:43:51,962 --> 00:43:53,364
   He didn't make any excuses,  

998
00:43:53,497 --> 00:43:55,699
   and he gave                  
 George all the respect.        

999
00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:03,374
Yeah, "Down goes                
  Frazier! Down goes Frazier!"  

1000
00:44:03,540 --> 00:44:06,276
 That was the...                
call of the West.               

1001
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:07,544
  "Down goes Frazier!"          

1002
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:09,480
  I mean, "Hey,                 
  come on. Relax, man.          

1003
00:44:09,613 --> 00:44:10,547
   That's... that's not cool."  

1004
00:44:10,648 --> 00:44:12,049
Joe was a sensitive guy.        

1005
00:44:12,182 --> 00:44:14,184
You know, he had                
  feelings like everybody else. 

1006
00:44:14,318 --> 00:44:16,020
   [Cosell] Down goes Frazier!  

1007
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,790
    Down goes                   
   Frazier! Down goes Frazier!  

1008
00:44:19,923 --> 00:44:21,792
  [newscaster] Sad news         
 from the world of sport.       

1009
00:44:21,925 --> 00:44:24,828
   Yank Durham,                 
  long-time trainer and manager 

1010
00:44:24,928 --> 00:44:28,632
   of former World Heavyweight  
Champion Joe Frazier, has died. 

1011
00:44:28,732 --> 00:44:30,968
    Durham suffered a           
   stroke two days ago,         

1012
00:44:31,068 --> 00:44:34,505
and passed away this morning at 
   Temple University Hospital.  

1013
00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:37,107
   He was 52 years old.         

1014
00:44:37,241 --> 00:44:38,409
[Joe] I really don't know       

1015
00:44:38,542 --> 00:44:39,710
 where to go and what to do now.

1016
00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:41,845
 He said that he                
  was gonna let me know         

1017
00:44:41,979 --> 00:44:45,516
 when he think it's time        
   for me to retire, so, uh...  

1018
00:44:45,649 --> 00:44:48,552
   I'm very relieved that, uh,  

1019
00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,387
  he will come                  
  back and let me know,         

1020
00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:52,189
  you know, in a dream,         

1021
00:44:52,289 --> 00:44:53,924
uh, what to do from here.       

1022
00:44:58,662 --> 00:45:00,431
   [Hand Sr.]                   
 When Yank Durham died,         

1023
00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:01,665
it was real easy                

1024
00:45:01,799 --> 00:45:04,134
 for Eddie Futch                
to just slide in.               

1025
00:45:04,268 --> 00:45:05,502
  [Bernstein] There are         

1026
00:45:05,602 --> 00:45:07,638
  a half dozen                  
 trainers in the sport of boxing

1027
00:45:07,771 --> 00:45:09,339
  that reach legendary status.  

1028
00:45:09,473 --> 00:45:11,041
 Eddie Futch was                
  one of those people.          

1029
00:45:11,175 --> 00:45:13,677
   [Hand Sr.] If you couldn't   
   get along with Eddie Futch,  

1030
00:45:13,844 --> 00:45:15,679
you didn't belong in this world.

1031
00:45:15,813 --> 00:45:18,115
 He was really,                 
   really a nice guy.           

1032
00:45:18,215 --> 00:45:21,652
   I would say, as of           
 now, uh, both of us have lost, 

1033
00:45:21,752 --> 00:45:24,154
and now we going                
   back to each other           

1034
00:45:24,288 --> 00:45:26,323
  to determine who's the best.  

1035
00:45:26,423 --> 00:45:28,125
  The second Ali-Frazier fight  

1036
00:45:28,258 --> 00:45:30,594
   was certainly less           
   anticipated than the first.  

1037
00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:32,830
 Neither guy was                
  champion at the time.         

1038
00:45:32,996 --> 00:45:35,132
It was 12 rounds, not 15.       

1039
00:45:35,265 --> 00:45:37,067
 Ali-Frazier II                 

1040
00:45:37,167 --> 00:45:39,536
   is sort of like The          
   Godfather: Part III.         

1041
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:41,071
it's easily forgettable.        

1042
00:45:41,238 --> 00:45:44,007
[Cosell] That was almost        
   three years ago, Muhammad,   

1043
00:45:44,174 --> 00:45:44,742
  and you lost.                 

1044
00:45:44,875 --> 00:45:46,844
White people say I lost.        

1045
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:48,345
  And that's some white people. 

1046
00:45:48,445 --> 00:45:50,614
  All Black people know I won.  

1047
00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:54,685
  Ali put all sorts of          
 very ugly labels on him        

1048
00:45:54,785 --> 00:45:57,855
  that Joe was                  
  never able to shake.          

1049
00:45:57,955 --> 00:45:59,790
[Bernstein] When                
   they both got in the studio  

1050
00:45:59,923 --> 00:46:01,058
   with Howard Cosell,          

1051
00:46:01,225 --> 00:46:04,528
 and Ali created                
  the mayhem he created         

1052
00:46:04,628 --> 00:46:07,464
 playing on Joe's raw emotions, 

1053
00:46:07,631 --> 00:46:08,999
 that ignited the fight,        

1054
00:46:09,099 --> 00:46:11,502
   and it ignited the           
 interest in the fight.         

1055
00:46:11,602 --> 00:46:12,936
 Stand up, man!                 

1056
00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:15,272
 -Set down, Joe.                
  -Why you think I'm ignorant?  

1057
00:46:15,372 --> 00:46:16,640
 -Set down, Joe!                
  -Huh?                         

1058
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:18,008
   -Set down.                   
  -Why you think I'm ignorant?  

1059
00:46:18,108 --> 00:46:19,676
 -The brothers are here.        
-You in this too?               

1060
00:46:19,810 --> 00:46:22,146
  Set down quick, Joe!          

1061
00:46:23,547 --> 00:46:25,682
  It's a great                  
piece of, uh, television.       

1062
00:46:25,816 --> 00:46:27,251
[Cosell] There is               
 no question in my mind         

1063
00:46:27,417 --> 00:46:30,053
that Joe Frazier                
is not clowning.                

1064
00:46:30,154 --> 00:46:32,823
  [Bentt] When you hurt         
somebody who looked out for you,

1065
00:46:32,956 --> 00:46:36,360
tried to, um, get               
  your license back for you...  

1066
00:46:36,493 --> 00:46:38,829
Come on, brother. Really?       

1067
00:46:38,962 --> 00:46:41,665
   I would say to Joe,          
 "Joe, you, you pay him no mind,

1068
00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:44,635
he's just talkin'               
shit because that's Ali.        

1069
00:46:44,768 --> 00:46:45,936
   He wants to get your goat."  

1070
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:47,671
  He says, "I'm                 
   gonna get his goat.          

1071
00:46:47,805 --> 00:46:49,306
I'm gonna get his               
  goat. I'm gonna get his goat. 

1072
00:46:49,406 --> 00:46:50,607
I'm gonna get his goat."        

1073
00:46:50,774 --> 00:46:51,775
 [bell ringing]                 

1074
00:46:51,909 --> 00:46:53,177
[Cosell] The bell for round one,

1075
00:46:53,310 --> 00:46:54,545
    the action begins.          

1076
00:46:54,678 --> 00:46:56,013
   [Bentt] The                  
second Ali-Frazier fight,       

1077
00:46:56,113 --> 00:46:58,482
there was a ghost               
   standing right next to Joe,  

1078
00:46:58,615 --> 00:46:59,683
 and that ghost                 

1079
00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:02,352
 was the person                 
   who was knocked out          

1080
00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:04,321
   at the hands of Big George.  

1081
00:47:04,421 --> 00:47:05,689
   It's not easy to overcome.   

1082
00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:07,391
  [Cosell] And                  
  that was a good right!        

1083
00:47:07,524 --> 00:47:08,425
 Joe was staggered there.       

1084
00:47:08,525 --> 00:47:10,160
 Ali shook Joe.                 

1085
00:47:10,260 --> 00:47:13,263
   Referee Tony Perez           
   thought he heard the bell.   

1086
00:47:13,397 --> 00:47:16,133
   [Cosell] Referee Tony Perez  
 separates the fighters,        

1087
00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:19,469
 calls for the end of the       
round, but I didn't hear a bell.

1088
00:47:19,603 --> 00:47:20,637
 Then the fight resumed,        

1089
00:47:20,771 --> 00:47:22,372
  and there was talk afterwards 

1090
00:47:22,472 --> 00:47:23,974
that Ali                        
would've knocked Joe out        

1091
00:47:24,107 --> 00:47:26,443
 if Perez hadn't                
   made that mistake.           

1092
00:47:26,577 --> 00:47:28,378
   No, I mean,                  
  let's do the numbers,         

1093
00:47:28,512 --> 00:47:30,447
  41 rounds of boxing,          

1094
00:47:30,581 --> 00:47:33,650
 and Ali never knocked Joe down.

1095
00:47:33,784 --> 00:47:35,085
 [Joe speaking]                 

1096
00:47:43,093 --> 00:47:44,494
    The fight is about to end,  

1097
00:47:44,628 --> 00:47:46,063
 and it is over!                

1098
00:47:46,163 --> 00:47:49,299
  Muhammad Ali has won the fight

1099
00:47:49,466 --> 00:47:50,968
 on a unanimous decision!       

1100
00:47:51,101 --> 00:47:52,903
  I don't think                 
 that was that far off.         

1101
00:47:53,003 --> 00:47:54,438
  You know what I mean?         

1102
00:47:54,605 --> 00:47:56,139
  I would say I fought.         

1103
00:47:56,273 --> 00:47:58,008
 I throw a more                 
 effective punch anyway,        

1104
00:47:58,141 --> 00:48:01,879
 so I, I got no                 
 argument about nothin'.        

1105
00:48:02,012 --> 00:48:04,414
  You ever hear                 
   Joe Frazier crying?          

1106
00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:05,849
  Stand-up guy.                 

1107
00:48:06,016 --> 00:48:07,150
  George was the champ,         

1108
00:48:07,317 --> 00:48:09,319
so Ali-Frazier II               

1109
00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:11,989
  was more for bragging rights  

1110
00:48:12,089 --> 00:48:14,458
and the right to                
   fight George Foreman next.   

1111
00:48:14,625 --> 00:48:16,159
   George Foreman was just...   

1112
00:48:16,293 --> 00:48:19,162
  it's hard to convey to people 
   just how he was demolishing  

1113
00:48:19,296 --> 00:48:21,732
   individuals who got          
  in the ring with him.         

1114
00:48:21,865 --> 00:48:25,602
Both Joe Frazier                
and Ken Norton beat Ali,        

1115
00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:29,206
   and George Foreman           
  barely broke a sweat.         

1116
00:48:29,339 --> 00:48:31,341
  When I fought                 
 Muhammad Ali in Africa,        

1117
00:48:31,508 --> 00:48:34,077
fear had all just disintegrated.

1118
00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:36,780
 I had no longer                
 any fear for anything.         

1119
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,349
  This was gonna be the         
easiest fight of my life.       

1120
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,088
When Joe Frazier                
   fought Muhammad Ali          

1121
00:48:45,188 --> 00:48:46,390
in Madison Square Garden,       

1122
00:48:46,523 --> 00:48:47,891
he would've died                

1123
00:48:47,991 --> 00:48:50,093
before he allowed               
Muhammad Ali to beat him.       

1124
00:48:50,227 --> 00:48:52,162
  When I fought                 
 Muhammad Ali in Africa,        

1125
00:48:52,296 --> 00:48:55,132
   I fought a                   
Joe Frazier reincarnate.        

1126
00:49:05,909 --> 00:49:08,045
 [crowd roaring]                

1127
00:49:09,846 --> 00:49:12,683
  And so while Ali has          
regained the mountaintop,       

1128
00:49:12,816 --> 00:49:15,686
 Joe is almost,                 
   I think, forgotten,          

1129
00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:17,287
   but you have their rivalry.  

1130
00:49:17,421 --> 00:49:18,689
 It's mythical.                 

1131
00:49:18,822 --> 00:49:20,857
  It's... it's                  
literary. It's cinematic.       

1132
00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:22,192
 Joe Frazier had kind of        

1133
00:49:22,326 --> 00:49:23,527
  rehabilitated                 
  himself a little bit.         

1134
00:49:23,694 --> 00:49:25,295
 He beat Quarry. He beat Ellis. 

1135
00:49:25,429 --> 00:49:27,030
  That got Frazier back         

1136
00:49:27,164 --> 00:49:30,033
in a position where they        
 could sell the third Ali fight.

1137
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,236
 These two men and their        
  styles were so compelling...  

1138
00:49:33,403 --> 00:49:34,504
[crowd cheering]                

1139
00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:36,406
  ...that people had in         
 the back of their mind,        

1140
00:49:36,506 --> 00:49:39,242
  "Wow, this is still something 
  we should pay attention to."  

1141
00:49:39,409 --> 00:49:40,711
  Without Joe Frazier,          

1142
00:49:40,844 --> 00:49:43,613
there wouldn't have been no Ali.

1143
00:49:49,219 --> 00:49:51,822
Imagine if, after winning       
the Rumble in the Jungle,       

1144
00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:53,090
  Ali says, "I'm done."         

1145
00:49:53,223 --> 00:49:54,925
   That's a perfect narrative,  

1146
00:49:55,058 --> 00:49:56,793
   but, you know, life          
  doesn't really work that way, 

1147
00:49:56,927 --> 00:49:59,796
  so Ali-Frazier one more time. 

1148
00:49:59,930 --> 00:50:01,732
  [Ali] Here's the way          
   he looks when you hit him.   

1149
00:50:01,898 --> 00:50:03,734
 Come on, gorilla! We in Manila!

1150
00:50:03,867 --> 00:50:05,869
   [laughter]                   

1151
00:50:06,036 --> 00:50:08,271
 Ali's treatment of Joe Frazier,

1152
00:50:08,405 --> 00:50:10,574
 the demeaning portrayal of Joe,

1153
00:50:10,741 --> 00:50:12,709
hurt a lot more people than Joe.

1154
00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:13,844
   It involved                  

1155
00:50:13,977 --> 00:50:16,013
  a lot of unfortunate comments 

1156
00:50:16,146 --> 00:50:18,782
   around his                   
 appearance, his intelligence...

1157
00:50:18,915 --> 00:50:22,486
the sort of thing               
that racist white people        

1158
00:50:22,586 --> 00:50:24,688
  would say perhaps in private  

1159
00:50:24,821 --> 00:50:26,723
  about a Black person,         

1160
00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:28,158
 Ali's saying in public.        

1161
00:50:28,291 --> 00:50:29,693
  I'm gon' keep                 
  this gorilla with me          

1162
00:50:29,826 --> 00:50:31,495
   every day until the fight.   

1163
00:50:31,595 --> 00:50:34,197
  It reinforced                 

1164
00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:38,902
the stereotypical               
view that some people had       

1165
00:50:39,002 --> 00:50:40,937
of Black people,                

1166
00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:43,540
slow-moving, shuffling...       

1167
00:50:43,673 --> 00:50:47,144
[mumbling unintelligibly]       

1168
00:50:49,046 --> 00:50:52,182
   [Don King] This is           
  indeed a proud moment for me  

1169
00:50:52,315 --> 00:50:53,483
 to welcome the                 
   people of the world          

1170
00:50:53,617 --> 00:50:55,285
  to the saga of our lifetime,  

1171
00:50:55,419 --> 00:50:56,887
 Superfight III,                

1172
00:50:57,020 --> 00:50:58,288
 the Thrilla in Manila.         

1173
00:50:58,388 --> 00:51:01,158
  [Arum] The Marcoses,          
who ran the Philippines,        

1174
00:51:01,324 --> 00:51:02,592
   knew nothing about boxing.   

1175
00:51:02,726 --> 00:51:05,762
 They wanted Ali                
  specifically in a big fight,  

1176
00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:08,165
 because they had a big problem 

1177
00:51:08,298 --> 00:51:12,736
  with the Muslims in Mindanao, 

1178
00:51:12,836 --> 00:51:15,505
 and they felt that they        
   could calm everything down   

1179
00:51:15,672 --> 00:51:19,643
  if they brought over          
   this great Muslim to fight   

1180
00:51:19,776 --> 00:51:21,178
   in the Philippines.          

1181
00:51:21,311 --> 00:51:23,547
The fighter that                
they wanted him to fight        

1182
00:51:23,647 --> 00:51:25,182
was Joe Frazier.                

1183
00:51:35,492 --> 00:51:36,793
[Don Dunphy] And                
    here's Joe Frazier          

1184
00:51:36,927 --> 00:51:38,228
  coming into the ring.         

1185
00:51:38,361 --> 00:51:41,031
  [Hauser] The feeling          
 was that Joe was shot,         

1186
00:51:41,164 --> 00:51:44,101
that Ali'll dance               
 around for eight, nine rounds, 

1187
00:51:44,201 --> 00:51:45,335
 knock Joe out,                 

1188
00:51:45,469 --> 00:51:47,137
 and will go on                 
   to the next fight.           

1189
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:50,006
[Dunphy] It's 15                
  rounds, and here is round one!

1190
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:51,208
   [Bernstein]                  
  The Thrilla in Manila         

1191
00:51:51,341 --> 00:51:52,709
   was a fight in three parts.  

1192
00:51:52,809 --> 00:51:53,810
  The first part of the fight,  

1193
00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:55,145
   it looked for all the world  

1194
00:51:55,245 --> 00:51:58,381
like Ali was exposing Joe       

1195
00:51:58,515 --> 00:52:01,151
as a fighter who                
just had lost his ability       

1196
00:52:01,251 --> 00:52:04,087
  to fight in the upper echelon 
  of the Heavyweight Division.  

1197
00:52:04,187 --> 00:52:07,591
Muhammad was handling Joe       
for three rounds, four rounds...

1198
00:52:07,691 --> 00:52:08,825
[crowd shouting]                

1199
00:52:08,959 --> 00:52:10,927
...and then, all                
   of a sudden, boom!           

1200
00:52:11,061 --> 00:52:12,395
 [crowd erupts]                 

1201
00:52:12,529 --> 00:52:15,165
   I don't think I've           
   ever seen a sporting event   

1202
00:52:15,298 --> 00:52:17,167
  turn as dramatically          

1203
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:19,169
  as that fight turned          
 in those middle rounds.        

1204
00:52:19,302 --> 00:52:20,937
 Frazier is very strong!        

1205
00:52:21,071 --> 00:52:24,274
[crowd shouting]                

1206
00:52:24,374 --> 00:52:31,114
   Joe came into that           
fight fueled by absolute hatred.

1207
00:52:31,248 --> 00:52:32,616
Ali took more punishment        

1208
00:52:32,782 --> 00:52:35,852
  than I think anybody          
   would ever be able to take.  

1209
00:52:36,019 --> 00:52:39,122
   Joe Frazier                  
landed hellacious shots,        

1210
00:52:39,256 --> 00:52:41,124
 and somehow Ali withstood them.

1211
00:52:42,959 --> 00:52:44,327
All of a sudden,                
 the fight turned again,        

1212
00:52:44,461 --> 00:52:47,330
   because Joe Frazier          
  just ran out of gas.          

1213
00:52:48,198 --> 00:52:50,333
[Dunphy] And Ali                
    is scoring on him.          

1214
00:52:50,467 --> 00:52:52,102
  He had vision                 
 problems in both eyes,         

1215
00:52:52,235 --> 00:52:54,938
and Ali, as exhausted as he was,

1216
00:52:55,071 --> 00:52:59,876
was able to summon up the energy
  to land those straight shots  

1217
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:01,645
as Frazier was coming in,       

1218
00:53:01,778 --> 00:53:03,713
  and the Frazier head movement 
was less than it had been       

1219
00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:05,115
  earlier in the fight.         

1220
00:53:05,215 --> 00:53:07,083
  13th round, Joe can't         
see out of his left eye.        

1221
00:53:07,217 --> 00:53:10,287
 Muhammad was trying to         
 cement, you know, the victory, 

1222
00:53:10,420 --> 00:53:12,923
 throws a right hand...         

1223
00:53:13,056 --> 00:53:15,659
  Joe's mouthpiece goes flying. 

1224
00:53:15,792 --> 00:53:17,661
[crowd shouting]                

1225
00:53:19,563 --> 00:53:21,631
  Essentially,                  
  it's target practice.         

1226
00:53:22,465 --> 00:53:24,100
 There's a moment in the corner 

1227
00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:26,002
   where Joe drinks the water   

1228
00:53:26,136 --> 00:53:27,804
and spits the water out,        

1229
00:53:27,938 --> 00:53:31,441
and the water is completely red.

1230
00:53:33,076 --> 00:53:34,477
 It's not water                 
  anymore, it's blood.          

1231
00:53:34,644 --> 00:53:37,847
 Eddie Futch had                
   let the fight go on          

1232
00:53:37,981 --> 00:53:39,249
  after the 13th round          

1233
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:41,952
in the hope that                
  things might change.          

1234
00:53:42,052 --> 00:53:42,953
  They didn't.                  

1235
00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,288
[crowd shouting]                

1236
00:53:46,856 --> 00:53:48,225
[Dunphy] Frazier is hurt.       

1237
00:53:48,358 --> 00:53:51,628
   He was getting hit           
   again and again and again.   

1238
00:53:51,795 --> 00:53:53,196
[crowd shouting]                

1239
00:53:55,966 --> 00:53:58,535
  After the 14th round,         

1240
00:53:58,668 --> 00:54:01,838
Ali and Joe went                
 back to their corners.         

1241
00:54:01,938 --> 00:54:04,941
 [bell ringing]                 

1242
00:54:05,108 --> 00:54:08,812
Both men had been... brutalized.

1243
00:54:08,945 --> 00:54:10,647
 Uh, Joe was getting hit        

1244
00:54:10,780 --> 00:54:13,350
   by punches that he           
  couldn't see coming.          

1245
00:54:17,954 --> 00:54:22,092
   [Dunphy] The doctor          
  comes up and looks at Frazier.

1246
00:54:22,225 --> 00:54:24,060
   I think it's gonna be over!  

1247
00:54:24,194 --> 00:54:28,665
  In the most difficult         
 moment to stop a fight,        

1248
00:54:28,798 --> 00:54:32,035
  on the biggest stage          
you could possibly have,        

1249
00:54:32,202 --> 00:54:34,904
   Eddie Futch had the          
   courage of his convictions   

1250
00:54:35,005 --> 00:54:36,273
  to realize Joe was in trouble 

1251
00:54:36,439 --> 00:54:40,076
and in danger of                
   being hurt, badly.           

1252
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:41,444
 [Joe speaking]                 

1253
00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:51,154
 [Dunphy] It's all over!        

1254
00:54:51,288 --> 00:54:52,922
   [cheering]                   

1255
00:54:53,023 --> 00:54:55,558
[Boyd] One can't stand up       

1256
00:54:55,692 --> 00:54:57,627
   and one can't see.           

1257
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:09,973
  Whew.                         

1258
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:12,208
   Oh, my god.                  

1259
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:15,011
That's a                        
  supremely human moment, man.  

1260
00:55:15,145 --> 00:55:18,515
  We can see the child in Joe.  

1261
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:23,086
  We can see the lover in Joe,  

1262
00:55:23,219 --> 00:55:25,322
the beast in Joe,               

1263
00:55:25,455 --> 00:55:28,992
   and we can see the           
human hurt animal in Joe.       

1264
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,561
  [♪♪♪]                         

1265
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:35,231
   [Bernstein]                  
  Eddie Futch called the fight  

1266
00:55:35,365 --> 00:55:38,635
because he just couldn't        
 see Joe Frazier continuing on. 

1267
00:55:38,768 --> 00:55:41,071
 While it wasn't                
popular with Joe Frazier,       

1268
00:55:41,237 --> 00:55:42,372
 and Joe had difficulty with it,

1269
00:55:42,472 --> 00:55:44,474
 Eddie Futch, he                
   never felt regret,           

1270
00:55:44,607 --> 00:55:46,776
   because he knew it           
 was the right decision.        

1271
00:55:53,350 --> 00:55:55,518
  [Prince] That                 
  night, Marvis was in Manila.  

1272
00:55:55,652 --> 00:55:57,887
 Muhammad called                
 Marvis into his dressing room, 

1273
00:55:58,021 --> 00:56:01,491
   and when Marvis got          
   the apology from Muhammad,   

1274
00:56:01,658 --> 00:56:03,226
 "Tell your dad                 
  he's a great champion         

1275
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,561
and a great man,                

1276
00:56:04,694 --> 00:56:06,129
  and I said everything I said  

1277
00:56:06,262 --> 00:56:07,630
 just to promote                
these incredible fights,"       

1278
00:56:07,764 --> 00:56:09,733
Marvis came running back        
  into his dad's dressing room  

1279
00:56:09,866 --> 00:56:10,700
  to tell him,                  

1280
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:11,735
and Joe lost it,                

1281
00:56:11,835 --> 00:56:14,204
 and said, "You                 
 ain't Joe Frazier, son.        

1282
00:56:14,337 --> 00:56:16,706
 Why ain't he apologize to me?" 

1283
00:56:16,806 --> 00:56:18,375
But he is great.                

1284
00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:21,378
 I don't know no                
   other fighter today          

1285
00:56:21,478 --> 00:56:23,880
 besides myself                 

1286
00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:25,782
who can beat Joe Frazier.       

1287
00:56:25,915 --> 00:56:27,617
Going beyond the result,        

1288
00:56:27,717 --> 00:56:31,087
   which says                   
   "KO-14" in the record book,  

1289
00:56:31,221 --> 00:56:32,789
you could almost                
   look at that fight,          

1290
00:56:32,922 --> 00:56:34,491
   on some very primal level,   

1291
00:56:34,657 --> 00:56:35,759
   as a draw.                   

1292
00:56:35,859 --> 00:56:40,497
  I don't think                 
   there were any... winners.   

1293
00:56:40,663 --> 00:56:42,565
It was the bull and the matador.

1294
00:56:42,699 --> 00:56:45,735
  It was... everything          
 anybody could ever want        

1295
00:56:45,835 --> 00:56:47,303
  in a combat.                  

1296
00:56:47,437 --> 00:56:50,240
 These guys were                
  made for each other.          

1297
00:56:50,373 --> 00:56:51,441
   You look at Manila,          

1298
00:56:51,541 --> 00:56:53,143
and it's an advertisement       

1299
00:56:53,276 --> 00:56:56,546
 for everything                 
that's best about boxing,       

1300
00:56:56,646 --> 00:56:59,449
 and also for everything        
   that's worst about boxing.   

1301
00:56:59,582 --> 00:57:05,455
 They both left                 
everything in that 20-foot ring.

1302
00:57:05,555 --> 00:57:06,723
  [Boyd] Going forward,         

1303
00:57:06,823 --> 00:57:09,592
  life for Ali,                 
  life for Joe Frazier          

1304
00:57:09,692 --> 00:57:10,994
 will never be the same.        

1305
00:57:11,127 --> 00:57:13,663
   They're beyond their prime.  

1306
00:57:13,797 --> 00:57:16,065
 It's not going to be glamorous 

1307
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,034
 and celebratory                

1308
00:57:18,134 --> 00:57:19,436
and spectacular.                

1309
00:57:19,602 --> 00:57:22,772
  They end that                 
  fight as two old men.         

1310
00:57:30,313 --> 00:57:31,881
Joe fought Foreman again.       

1311
00:57:32,048 --> 00:57:34,684
They didn't even                
   sell all the tickets there.  

1312
00:57:34,818 --> 00:57:37,220
  [Cosell] Look what he's done! 

1313
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,323
  He's shaved his head!         

1314
00:57:40,457 --> 00:57:42,325
  "Champ, what                  
 happened in the second fight?" 

1315
00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:45,028
  He says, "The second          
 fight, I trained to kill him." 

1316
00:57:45,161 --> 00:57:46,896
I said, "Smoke, I'm telling you,

1317
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:50,033
  when I watched you fight him, 
  your midsection was thicker." 

1318
00:57:50,166 --> 00:57:52,902
 "No, Bo, my weight was         
right." I said, "Smoke, listen."

1319
00:57:53,002 --> 00:57:59,209
  [Cosell] Joe Frazier weighed  
in at a surprising 224.5 pounds,

1320
00:57:59,342 --> 00:58:03,179
  eight and a half more         
  pounds than he's ever carried.

1321
00:58:09,752 --> 00:58:11,321
  "Then, when I                 
  stepped in the ring,          

1322
00:58:11,454 --> 00:58:15,225
   I looked at                  
 him, and I backed up."         

1323
00:58:15,358 --> 00:58:17,227
Joe Frazier never               
  backs up in a fight.          

1324
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,428
  He said, "On                  
 that particular night,         

1325
00:58:18,561 --> 00:58:19,929
   I was backing up, waiting,   

1326
00:58:20,063 --> 00:58:21,664
 'cause I didn't want to        
   get hit with them punches."  

1327
00:58:21,798 --> 00:58:23,967
[Cosell] Frazier                
    against the ropes.          

1328
00:58:24,067 --> 00:58:25,368
[crowd cheering]                

1329
00:58:25,502 --> 00:58:28,972
   Foreman was                  
 absolutely devastating         

1330
00:58:29,105 --> 00:58:32,876
  when he fought a smaller guy. 

1331
00:58:38,681 --> 00:58:40,984
[Cosell] Frazier,               
  trying to fight back.         

1332
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:44,888
 I knew what Joe                
was going through               

1333
00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:46,389
   when he was                  
 fighting with one eye,         

1334
00:58:46,523 --> 00:58:47,924
 why he stayed so close to him. 

1335
00:58:48,057 --> 00:58:51,160
 I know how Joe Frazier         
 passes eye tests, too.         

1336
00:58:51,327 --> 00:58:53,229
He's the one who                
 told me how to pass it.        

1337
00:58:53,363 --> 00:58:55,632
  [Cosell] One                  
   right hurts Frazier.         

1338
00:58:55,765 --> 00:58:57,867
 Frazier! Frazier's down!       

1339
00:58:57,967 --> 00:58:59,536
 [crowd roaring]                

1340
00:58:59,702 --> 00:59:02,672
  Frazier is down from a right! 

1341
00:59:02,772 --> 00:59:05,642
   He said, "You don't          
 switch eyes, you switch hands. 

1342
00:59:05,775 --> 00:59:07,844
  I would cover with this hand, 

1343
00:59:07,944 --> 00:59:09,445
  then when you                 
   say, 'switch eyes,'          

1344
00:59:09,546 --> 00:59:11,314
  I would switch hands,         

1345
00:59:11,447 --> 00:59:13,550
 and the doctor                 
would never say nothin'."       

1346
00:59:13,650 --> 00:59:16,152
[Cosell] Frazier                
  taking it from George Foreman!

1347
00:59:16,252 --> 00:59:17,287
  Foreman kno--                 

1348
00:59:17,453 --> 00:59:18,922
  Foreman again with the right! 

1349
00:59:19,055 --> 00:59:21,824
    The second                  
 knockdown in the round.        

1350
00:59:21,991 --> 00:59:22,892
   [chuckling]                  

1351
00:59:26,496 --> 00:59:28,264
   [laughing]                   

1352
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,736
  [Cosell] Harold Valan         
 says the fight is over!        

1353
00:59:33,836 --> 00:59:36,005
 Frazier as game as ever,       

1354
00:59:36,139 --> 00:59:37,740
   but now, inevitably,         

1355
00:59:37,874 --> 00:59:41,811
    the boxing career           
  over for Joe Frazier.         

1356
00:59:41,911 --> 00:59:44,681
Joe Frazier would               
  want to be remembered         

1357
00:59:44,847 --> 00:59:46,749
   as a great World Champion,   

1358
00:59:46,916 --> 00:59:49,118
  the people's                  
   champion. He loved people.   

1359
00:59:49,218 --> 00:59:50,553
His heart                       

1360
00:59:50,653 --> 00:59:53,356
was as big as the               
 Empire State Building.         

1361
00:59:53,489 --> 00:59:56,025
   I'm pleased                  
 with, with Joe Frazier,        

1362
00:59:56,192 --> 00:59:57,260
and I'm pleased with the public,

1363
00:59:57,393 --> 00:59:59,362
   and pleased with the plan,   

1364
00:59:59,495 --> 01:00:01,931
and, uh, I think,               

1365
01:00:02,065 --> 01:00:05,501
  for the consideration         
   that you have for me, uh...  

1366
01:00:05,635 --> 01:00:07,904
 I think that it's time         
  for me to put it on the wall, 

1367
01:00:08,071 --> 01:00:11,174
  and go ahead and just         
 boogie, boogie, boogie.        

1368
01:00:11,307 --> 01:00:14,477
  [funk music playing]          

1369
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:17,080
[engine revving]                

1370
01:00:19,082 --> 01:00:21,951
  [♪♪♪]                         

1371
01:00:24,754 --> 01:00:26,689
 [instrumental playing]         

1372
01:00:26,823 --> 01:00:28,625
   [Hand Jr.] In 1978,          

1373
01:00:28,758 --> 01:00:30,960
 I would've been                
  a junior in college,          

1374
01:00:31,094 --> 01:00:33,963
  in a small school in          
   Northeastern Pennsylvania,   

1375
01:00:34,097 --> 01:00:37,900
 and Joe was singing at a lounge
   in Scranton, Pennsylvania,   

1376
01:00:38,034 --> 01:00:39,902
   so, uh, of course,           
all my friends were like,       

1377
01:00:40,036 --> 01:00:41,804
"Are you kidding                
 me? Yes, we're coming,"        

1378
01:00:41,938 --> 01:00:43,606
and that                        
  commercial had just come out, 

1379
01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:45,208
   the Miller Lite commercial.  

1380
01:00:45,341 --> 01:00:48,244
   ♪ When you order a           
   beer Do like Smokin' Joe ♪   

1381
01:00:48,378 --> 01:00:49,612
 ♪ Order Lite beer from Miller ♪

1382
01:00:49,779 --> 01:00:51,481
   ♪ And say no more ♪          

1383
01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:53,650
   Joe starts                   
 singing a couple songs,        

1384
01:00:53,783 --> 01:00:56,119
  and I guess during a          
   break, somebody yells out,   

1385
01:00:56,252 --> 01:00:57,286
"Do the Miller Lite commercial!"

1386
01:00:57,387 --> 01:00:58,755
And he goes, "All right."       

1387
01:00:58,888 --> 01:01:00,356
 ♪ 'Cause Lite's less filling ♪ 

1388
01:01:00,490 --> 01:01:03,393
   ♪ Hey, that                  
 really knocks me out! ♪        

1389
01:01:03,493 --> 01:01:04,861
  Before the end of the night,  

1390
01:01:04,994 --> 01:01:05,995
  he probably sang that         
 Miller Lite commercial,        

1391
01:01:06,095 --> 01:01:07,764
like, 15 times...               

1392
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:09,232
   [cheering]                   

1393
01:01:09,365 --> 01:01:11,000
  ...and then sat down          
  with all my college buddies,  

1394
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:13,102
   and drank beer with          
us the rest of the night,       

1395
01:01:13,269 --> 01:01:14,837
   and we'd go, "Joe,           
  sing that commercial again."  

1396
01:01:14,937 --> 01:01:16,372
  ♪ Lite tastes great ♪         

1397
01:01:16,472 --> 01:01:17,740
 [Hand Jr.] And                 
he'd sing the commercial,       

1398
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,442
 and he made my                 
  friends that night, you know, 

1399
01:01:19,609 --> 01:01:20,777
feel that if they               
  were friends of mine,         

1400
01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:22,779
they were                       
friends of Joe Frazier's,       

1401
01:01:22,912 --> 01:01:25,181
and, uh, that's why I loved him.

1402
01:01:25,314 --> 01:01:28,418
  [funk intro playing]          

1403
01:01:28,584 --> 01:01:30,086
[Barbara St. Lee]               
   In the early 1980s,          

1404
01:01:30,219 --> 01:01:32,588
  I got to work                 
with Smokin' Joe Frazier        

1405
01:01:32,689 --> 01:01:34,724
  as a Knockout singer,         

1406
01:01:34,824 --> 01:01:36,526
and it was a real thrill.       

1407
01:01:36,659 --> 01:01:38,761
  I'm still riding on a cloud.  

1408
01:01:39,962 --> 01:01:41,731
 I know a lot of                
   people used to say,          

1409
01:01:41,831 --> 01:01:43,266
  "Oh, Joe can't sing,"         

1410
01:01:43,399 --> 01:01:45,134
 but when you went to the show, 

1411
01:01:45,268 --> 01:01:47,970
and saw that this               
 man was really singing,        

1412
01:01:48,104 --> 01:01:50,773
   and he was                   
really expressing himself       

1413
01:01:50,907 --> 01:01:51,908
   through his lyrics,          

1414
01:01:52,041 --> 01:01:55,411
 you could feel his expression, 

1415
01:01:55,545 --> 01:01:57,080
   that he was                  
taking you from the gym,        

1416
01:01:57,213 --> 01:01:59,882
 taking you from                
 when he was growing up,        

1417
01:02:00,016 --> 01:02:03,086
 taking you from                
now, performing the song.       

1418
01:02:03,219 --> 01:02:05,722
  He was, like,                 
   telling you a story          

1419
01:02:05,855 --> 01:02:08,524
 of what he did                 
  throughout his life.          

1420
01:02:08,691 --> 01:02:09,992
  You could see                 

1421
01:02:10,126 --> 01:02:12,061
 that it's just                 
something that touched his soul,

1422
01:02:12,161 --> 01:02:15,498
  and he wanted others          
 to feel the same way...        

1423
01:02:15,631 --> 01:02:18,668
touch the soul of               
 you, and you, and you,         

1424
01:02:18,801 --> 01:02:21,337
   that meant so much to him.   

1425
01:02:21,471 --> 01:02:23,606
 [Prince] White America         
   always thought Joe Frazier   

1426
01:02:23,773 --> 01:02:24,907
was this                        
blue-collar working man,        

1427
01:02:25,007 --> 01:02:26,175
  but, man, he                  
  was the king of swag.         

1428
01:02:26,342 --> 01:02:29,312
 He was way more                
 swag than Ali ever was.        

1429
01:02:29,445 --> 01:02:32,014
  [Witherspoon] When he         
  comes in, the room shines up, 

1430
01:02:32,148 --> 01:02:34,117
electricity just                
   start spreading everywhere.  

1431
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:36,185
  It was always                 
  about the best suits,         

1432
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:38,588
   and the colors that          
   popped, and the gold chain,  

1433
01:02:38,688 --> 01:02:40,289
   and the gold ring,           

1434
01:02:40,456 --> 01:02:41,657
  and that hat                  

1435
01:02:41,824 --> 01:02:43,092
that nobody could               
 sport like Smokin' Joe,        

1436
01:02:43,192 --> 01:02:45,795
 and a big wad of cash,         
always down in his sock,        

1437
01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:47,396
sometimes both his socks,       

1438
01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:49,599
  and he took a                 
  lot of pride in that.         

1439
01:02:49,699 --> 01:02:53,236
   If you are a star,           
  you shine everywhere.         

1440
01:02:53,369 --> 01:02:55,638
  [Bernstein] There was         
   a benefit in Atlantic City.  

1441
01:02:55,772 --> 01:02:57,240
  Joe Frazier and the Knockouts 

1442
01:02:57,406 --> 01:03:00,209
were gonna come on right        
  after my wife and her sister, 

1443
01:03:00,309 --> 01:03:01,544
   the Rocco Sisters,           

1444
01:03:01,677 --> 01:03:04,147
 and Connie was                 
coming down some stairs,        

1445
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,750
 and she had one of those combs 
that had, like, a tip on the end

1446
01:03:07,884 --> 01:03:09,218
 that you would                 
  tease your hair with,         

1447
01:03:09,352 --> 01:03:10,653
  so it was very sharp,         

1448
01:03:10,787 --> 01:03:13,589
   and her heel caught          
  on one of the stairs.         

1449
01:03:13,756 --> 01:03:15,691
   She lunged forward,          

1450
01:03:15,858 --> 01:03:19,028
   and stabbed                  
   Joe Frazier in the stomach.  

1451
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:22,431
He went down to one knee,       

1452
01:03:22,532 --> 01:03:25,234
   and uttered                  
  this immortal line...         

1453
01:03:25,401 --> 01:03:27,003
 "The bitch stabbed me!"        

1454
01:03:27,136 --> 01:03:28,538
   [laughing]                   

1455
01:03:28,671 --> 01:03:33,843
 And so security                
   rushed in, and, of course,   

1456
01:03:33,976 --> 01:03:35,778
   she was horrified,           
   and everyone was horrified,  

1457
01:03:35,912 --> 01:03:37,046
 but they had to                
run out on stage,               

1458
01:03:37,180 --> 01:03:39,782
 so she ran out                 
  on stage after the...         

1459
01:03:39,916 --> 01:03:41,651
 [laughing] ...                 
   after the incident.          

1460
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:43,119
 You can't make that up.        

1461
01:03:43,286 --> 01:03:45,288
 [reporter] It's                
   4:30 in the morning,         

1462
01:03:45,421 --> 01:03:47,723
  and former Heavyweight        
   Champion Smokin' Joe Frazier 

1463
01:03:47,857 --> 01:03:49,992
  is running through the        
    frigid streets of Chicago   

1464
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,361
 on what he hopes               
   will be his comeback trail.  

1465
01:03:52,495 --> 01:03:55,031
  Not bad for an old man, huh?  

1466
01:03:55,164 --> 01:03:57,767
 When fighters well past        
 their prime continue fighting, 

1467
01:03:57,900 --> 01:04:00,937
   like Ali did with Berbick,   

1468
01:04:01,070 --> 01:04:02,972
   what Joe did with Cummings,  

1469
01:04:03,105 --> 01:04:04,874
they can say whatever they want,

1470
01:04:04,974 --> 01:04:07,577
   it's pride, they still have  
 it, they want to feel young... 

1471
01:04:07,743 --> 01:04:10,279
there's only one                
  word why it happened,         

1472
01:04:10,413 --> 01:04:12,615
and that word is "money."       

1473
01:04:12,748 --> 01:04:13,583
 [reporter] He's                
 coming out of retirement       

1474
01:04:13,683 --> 01:04:14,884
 after five years               

1475
01:04:15,017 --> 01:04:16,652
 to fight Jumbo Cummings,       

1476
01:04:16,786 --> 01:04:18,321
a relatively unknown 30-year-old

1477
01:04:18,454 --> 01:04:20,656
  who spent 12 of those         
   years in prison for murder.  

1478
01:04:20,790 --> 01:04:22,959
[Bentt] Joe with Jumbo Cummings,

1479
01:04:23,092 --> 01:04:25,027
  and Muhammad                  
  with Trevor Berbick,          

1480
01:04:25,161 --> 01:04:29,398
  they were fights that         
should not have been sanctioned,

1481
01:04:29,532 --> 01:04:30,766
 but in boxing, that's allowed. 

1482
01:04:30,900 --> 01:04:32,268
  Why is that?                  

1483
01:04:32,401 --> 01:04:33,236
But, you know, I get it.        

1484
01:04:33,369 --> 01:04:34,704
I get it.                       

1485
01:04:34,837 --> 01:04:38,374
  But I, um... I don't get it.  

1486
01:04:42,912 --> 01:04:44,947
  Removed from                  
  Manila by six years,          

1487
01:04:45,081 --> 01:04:46,482
  it just demonstrated          

1488
01:04:46,616 --> 01:04:49,485
how much that fight took        
  out of each of them as well.  

1489
01:04:49,619 --> 01:04:52,255
 Happy ending, you knew         
  that wasn't going to happen.  

1490
01:04:52,355 --> 01:04:54,490
 [announcer] The                
    decision, a draw!           

1491
01:04:54,590 --> 01:04:59,262
 [crowd booing]                 

1492
01:04:59,362 --> 01:05:03,399
It's hard for an                
athlete to leave the game       

1493
01:05:03,532 --> 01:05:04,667
  when they're on top.          

1494
01:05:04,767 --> 01:05:06,135
I got a chance to go down       

1495
01:05:06,269 --> 01:05:08,371
 as the greatest                
   athlete, not boxer,          

1496
01:05:08,471 --> 01:05:09,438
 in the history.                

1497
01:05:09,572 --> 01:05:12,174
I can make so many people wrong.

1498
01:05:12,308 --> 01:05:13,976
  Obviously, it                 
  didn't work out well.         

1499
01:05:14,110 --> 01:05:17,613
  It-it just was not a          
  good evening, on every level. 

1500
01:05:18,447 --> 01:05:22,151
  [man] No, no! Oh, no!         

1501
01:05:22,285 --> 01:05:24,754
Ali, Frazier, in                
 terms of their career,         

1502
01:05:24,854 --> 01:05:28,357
  their life as                 
  professional boxers is over,  

1503
01:05:28,491 --> 01:05:32,261
 and there's nothing spectacular
 or glamorous about it.         

1504
01:05:32,395 --> 01:05:36,565
  Life sometimes is not         
   kind, but it's always real.  

1505
01:05:42,004 --> 01:05:46,175
  [♪♪♪]                         

1506
01:05:50,980 --> 01:05:53,249
 [Hand Jr.] Joe                 
definitely lived his life       

1507
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:55,184
  on North Broad Street         
  at that gym,                  

1508
01:05:55,284 --> 01:05:57,453
 and, you know,                 
   people could walk in there   

1509
01:05:57,553 --> 01:05:58,788
every day and say hello.        

1510
01:05:58,921 --> 01:06:01,357
   Joe bought the gym           
after the Foreman fight.        

1511
01:06:01,524 --> 01:06:03,459
 It was $87,000.                

1512
01:06:07,463 --> 01:06:09,298
 It looked like some of         
   the movies I'd watch on TV,  

1513
01:06:09,398 --> 01:06:10,599
street life, it's               
   North Philadelphia,          

1514
01:06:10,733 --> 01:06:11,968
 ghetto.                        

1515
01:06:12,101 --> 01:06:13,069
  When I walked                 
   in, I just thought,          

1516
01:06:13,202 --> 01:06:14,603
  "This is what greatness is."  

1517
01:06:21,110 --> 01:06:22,511
  And Joe came, was, "Hey, hey, 

1518
01:06:22,611 --> 01:06:24,880
   you gotta put more           
 weight on your left leg, Tim." 

1519
01:06:25,014 --> 01:06:27,516
  Putting the weight in         
  between my knee and my ankle, 

1520
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:29,986
 putting it down                
   there, and then turn, bam!   

1521
01:06:30,086 --> 01:06:32,989
   so my left hook, he          
 taught me how to do that, yeah.

1522
01:06:33,122 --> 01:06:34,357
  Take the room                 
  away from him, Mark!          

1523
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:35,858
 Goddamn breathe on him!        

1524
01:06:35,992 --> 01:06:38,894
On the top of the               
   gym was a roof, a rooftop,   

1525
01:06:38,995 --> 01:06:40,930
 so he decided that, uh,        

1526
01:06:41,063 --> 01:06:44,400
 he was gonna turn that         
 rooftop into a bachelor's loft.

1527
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,036
[Averona Jr.] When you walked in
  Joe Frazier's office,         

1528
01:06:47,136 --> 01:06:48,504
he had a great big desk.        

1529
01:06:48,604 --> 01:06:50,573
He would call his               
   back office "The Dungeon."   

1530
01:06:50,706 --> 01:06:52,041
  He had a little refrigerator. 

1531
01:06:52,141 --> 01:06:53,576
We had liquor back there.       

1532
01:06:53,709 --> 01:06:56,645
 Then he would lift his,        
  his couch up, like Godzilla,  

1533
01:06:56,779 --> 01:06:58,214
 and, just picked it up,        

1534
01:06:58,347 --> 01:07:00,216
  and he had all these          
guns piled on top of each other.

1535
01:07:00,349 --> 01:07:02,051
   [Slone] The second           
 story was just a big warehouse,

1536
01:07:02,184 --> 01:07:04,687
 and at the back of that        
  was a dormitory for fighters. 

1537
01:07:04,820 --> 01:07:06,188
  It had no hot water.          

1538
01:07:06,288 --> 01:07:08,290
  The opposite                  
 side of the steel door         

1539
01:07:08,424 --> 01:07:09,458
   was crack addicts.           

1540
01:07:09,592 --> 01:07:11,794
   And we put six beds          
 in the back of the gym,        

1541
01:07:11,894 --> 01:07:13,462
a heater, and a kitchen.        

1542
01:07:13,596 --> 01:07:16,165
   And then, it's cold water,   
  and, you know, it was drafty, 

1543
01:07:16,298 --> 01:07:17,800
which I was fine                
  with, 'cause it was,          

1544
01:07:17,967 --> 01:07:19,568
   it was really... it          
 made you fight harder.         

1545
01:07:19,702 --> 01:07:21,704
   [fighters grunting]          

1546
01:07:21,837 --> 01:07:22,671
  When Joe comes into the gym,  

1547
01:07:22,805 --> 01:07:24,206
   first thing he does          

1548
01:07:24,340 --> 01:07:26,475
 is walk up them steps,         
   go to his music, hit play,   

1549
01:07:26,609 --> 01:07:28,244
come back                       
 downstairs, and, "Let's work." 

1550
01:07:28,411 --> 01:07:32,048
[Averona Jr.] Joe Frazier       
   had the Fighting Fraziers,   

1551
01:07:32,148 --> 01:07:35,885
   and he just put everything   
he could in his fighters.       

1552
01:07:36,052 --> 01:07:37,219
  They couldn't be him,         

1553
01:07:37,319 --> 01:07:40,523
  but they all                  
 wanted to be like him.         

1554
01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:41,891
 [Joe] What time is it?         

1555
01:07:42,024 --> 01:07:42,858
[men] It's fightin' time!       

1556
01:07:43,025 --> 01:07:44,593
What time is it?                

1557
01:07:44,727 --> 01:07:45,628
  It's KO time!                 

1558
01:07:45,761 --> 01:07:49,298
  Come on! Let's go! Let's go!  

1559
01:07:52,268 --> 01:07:54,570
   Marvis Frazier had           
 a good amateur record,         

1560
01:07:54,670 --> 01:07:56,906
   and Marvis Frazier           
was a very tough fighter.       

1561
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:58,374
   [commentator] The referee,   

1562
01:07:58,507 --> 01:08:00,543
 the only man who               
   can stop the fight.          

1563
01:08:00,643 --> 01:08:02,711
    Round one!                  

1564
01:08:02,812 --> 01:08:05,047
 Larry Holmes is                
   a serious fighter.           

1565
01:08:05,147 --> 01:08:07,950
[commentator] And here's        
   Marvis, with the hands down! 

1566
01:08:08,084 --> 01:08:11,153
   Marvis got a little          
cocky, and he dropped his hands.

1567
01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:13,389
   [commentator] That           
 could be a big mistake!        

1568
01:08:13,522 --> 01:08:15,958
Marvis Frazier's                
career probably got accelerated,

1569
01:08:16,092 --> 01:08:18,727
maybe because of                
  the-the opportunities         

1570
01:08:18,861 --> 01:08:19,929
for money fights,               

1571
01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:22,298
partially because of who he was.

1572
01:08:22,431 --> 01:08:26,168
[crowd shouting]                

1573
01:08:26,302 --> 01:08:27,536
  When Marvis gets hit,         

1574
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:29,205
   you could see in Joe's eyes  

1575
01:08:29,338 --> 01:08:31,807
 how he was hurtin' for his son.

1576
01:08:31,907 --> 01:08:33,209
 Had to be very                 
difficult for Joe Frazier       

1577
01:08:33,309 --> 01:08:35,244
   to experience that,          
you know, in the corner.        

1578
01:08:35,377 --> 01:08:38,380
   I think they pushed          
Marvis a little too fast,       

1579
01:08:38,514 --> 01:08:40,883
   'cause it was easy,          
  it was fun for Larry.         

1580
01:08:41,016 --> 01:08:41,917
 Larry just was playing,        

1581
01:08:42,051 --> 01:08:43,219
  like, he was playing,         

1582
01:08:43,352 --> 01:08:45,354
   and, to me,                  
 that was embarrassing.         

1583
01:08:46,422 --> 01:08:49,191
Joe loved Marvis.               
   They were so close.          

1584
01:08:49,325 --> 01:08:50,559
   [Witherspoon] I would wait,  

1585
01:08:50,693 --> 01:08:52,294
   "My name is                  
 Marvis Frazier. My dad is Joe."

1586
01:08:52,461 --> 01:08:53,929
 Try to build it                
  up a little bit more,         

1587
01:08:54,063 --> 01:08:56,065
 and maybe they                 
could've got two million,       

1588
01:08:56,165 --> 01:08:59,602
  but they did it, and          
this is the result, so...       

1589
01:09:02,872 --> 01:09:04,306
  [♪♪♪]                         

1590
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:06,075
   [commentator] Tyson          
   comes out slugging.          

1591
01:09:06,242 --> 01:09:09,078
  He comes out smoking,         
    like Marvis's father, Joe.  

1592
01:09:09,245 --> 01:09:11,714
 They said Marvis tried         
   to fight like Joe Frazier,   

1593
01:09:11,881 --> 01:09:13,015
"Joe's not a good trainer       

1594
01:09:13,149 --> 01:09:14,517
'cause he trains                
  everybody this way,"          

1595
01:09:14,617 --> 01:09:16,018
  and Joe's answer was,         

1596
01:09:16,152 --> 01:09:17,453
   "You better be able          
to fight like Joe Frazier       

1597
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:18,621
 if you wanna make it."         

1598
01:09:20,356 --> 01:09:23,125
 [commentator] Uppercut,        
   and Marvis is hurt.          

1599
01:09:23,292 --> 01:09:24,593
   Yeah, he's hurt. He's down.  

1600
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,762
  I don't think Marvis          
 ever disappointed Joe,         

1601
01:09:26,862 --> 01:09:28,330
   even in the fights he lost.  

1602
01:09:28,464 --> 01:09:30,332
You know, Joe was               
   super proud of him.          

1603
01:09:30,466 --> 01:09:33,335
  When you saw                  
 Marvis Frazier with his father,

1604
01:09:33,469 --> 01:09:37,139
 there was such                 
 respect and admiration         

1605
01:09:37,273 --> 01:09:40,776
  and love from                 
   Marvis towards Joe.          

1606
01:09:40,910 --> 01:09:44,013
It was something                
   very, very special.          

1607
01:09:44,113 --> 01:09:47,816
  So what I know about Marvis,  
 when he had his two big fights,

1608
01:09:47,917 --> 01:09:49,385
  Larry and Mike Tyson,         

1609
01:09:49,518 --> 01:09:51,320
  Joe, the way he told me was,  

1610
01:09:51,453 --> 01:09:52,755
 it was to kinda                
  help the Fraziers out         

1611
01:09:52,888 --> 01:09:55,524
and get a                       
 little love, M-O-N-E-Y,        

1612
01:09:55,658 --> 01:09:56,959
 in his pocket.                 

1613
01:09:57,092 --> 01:10:00,362
   He was just in the           
  process of a divorce.         

1614
01:10:00,496 --> 01:10:03,265
  He was in the                 
  process of moving out         

1615
01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:05,267
   of the mansion that he had,  

1616
01:10:05,401 --> 01:10:07,570
you know, the house that        
 he had with his wife, Florence.

1617
01:10:07,703 --> 01:10:09,572
  [Averona Jr.]                 
  Joe loved his family.         

1618
01:10:09,672 --> 01:10:11,507
You know, you're                
   with somebody for so long,   

1619
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:13,375
 you kinda fall                 
 out of love. You know?         

1620
01:10:13,509 --> 01:10:18,013
Joe had 11 kids,                
  and... six different mothers. 

1621
01:10:18,113 --> 01:10:20,516
   Joe and Marvis and           
   those guys were like this.   

1622
01:10:20,683 --> 01:10:22,885
   Marvis is a                  
   God-fearing, righteous man,  

1623
01:10:23,018 --> 01:10:24,620
almost the polar opposite to Joe

1624
01:10:24,753 --> 01:10:26,255
when it comes to                
  the party atmosphere.         

1625
01:10:26,388 --> 01:10:27,456
He'd just say, "Aw, Pop."       

1626
01:10:27,590 --> 01:10:29,959
He'd say, "Pop. Not again, Pop."

1627
01:10:30,092 --> 01:10:31,126
[Watson] Joe took               
   care of his family.          

1628
01:10:31,227 --> 01:10:33,929
   He made sure, financially,   

1629
01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,665
that he lived up                
   to his obligations           

1630
01:10:36,799 --> 01:10:38,434
 as a father, as a man.         

1631
01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:39,835
  Once a month,                 

1632
01:10:39,969 --> 01:10:42,071
   we would sit in the          
  office and make up envelopes, 

1633
01:10:42,171 --> 01:10:44,273
   and I've never said          
 this before to anyone.         

1634
01:10:44,406 --> 01:10:47,209
   I would personally           
   hand-deliver the envelopes   

1635
01:10:47,376 --> 01:10:50,546
to... different mothers,        

1636
01:10:50,679 --> 01:10:53,249
  because Joe wanted to         
   take care of his children.   

1637
01:10:53,382 --> 01:10:54,984
   You know, any time           
he made a bunch of money,       

1638
01:10:55,117 --> 01:10:56,352
  he would always make          
 sure the kids are good         

1639
01:10:56,485 --> 01:10:58,053
  and his grandkids were good.  

1640
01:10:58,187 --> 01:11:01,957
  If you have 11 kids,          
   that costs a lot of money,   

1641
01:11:02,091 --> 01:11:04,460
   and that's gonna drain you,  

1642
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,263
   no matter how much           
   money you're able to make.   

1643
01:11:07,396 --> 01:11:09,465
  Life is conflicting.          
  Boxing's conflicting.         

1644
01:11:09,598 --> 01:11:13,035
  Having your father as         
  your trainer is conflicting.  

1645
01:11:13,135 --> 01:11:14,103
   -Very good!                  
   -Hit! Hit!                   

1646
01:11:14,236 --> 01:11:15,537
  Don't worry 'bout it.         

1647
01:11:15,671 --> 01:11:18,707
   Joe had five of his          
  relatives in the gym,         

1648
01:11:18,841 --> 01:11:20,142
different weight classes.       

1649
01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,511
 The one that he                
felt had the most talent        

1650
01:11:22,645 --> 01:11:23,946
   was Hector.                  

1651
01:11:24,079 --> 01:11:25,914
   G-Man 'bout to come alive.   

1652
01:11:26,015 --> 01:11:27,583
 Joe called him "G-Man,"        

1653
01:11:27,716 --> 01:11:29,985
   and he fought under          
 Joe Frazier Jr. professionally.

1654
01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:33,989
  [commentator] 21-year         
   old Smokin' Joe Frazier Jr.  

1655
01:11:34,123 --> 01:11:35,257
 [Slone] No fear at all.        

1656
01:11:35,391 --> 01:11:36,458
He'd grown up on                
the streets of New York.        

1657
01:11:36,558 --> 01:11:38,060
Hector was the real deal.       

1658
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:39,595
[commentator] And               
 a big left hook!               

1659
01:11:39,728 --> 01:11:41,330
   And a straight right         
  and another left hook!        

1660
01:11:41,463 --> 01:11:44,066
 Lopez is on the                
   bottom strand of the ropes,  

1661
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:45,934
    and he goes down!           

1662
01:11:46,068 --> 01:11:47,336
 He was messin'                 
 with the wrong people,         

1663
01:11:47,503 --> 01:11:48,971
   and he got involved          
  with substance abuse,         

1664
01:11:49,071 --> 01:11:51,040
and his life went               
  down the wrong road,          

1665
01:11:51,206 --> 01:11:52,941
 and Joe did not approve at all.

1666
01:11:53,075 --> 01:11:54,476
He, uh...                       

1667
01:11:54,610 --> 01:11:56,178
 he would tell him, you         
  know, "I worked my whole life 

1668
01:11:56,312 --> 01:11:58,213
  to make this Frazier          
 name something special,        

1669
01:11:58,314 --> 01:12:00,049
   and you're fucking it up."   

1670
01:12:00,215 --> 01:12:02,418
  I might go to                 
  bed saying to myself,         

1671
01:12:02,551 --> 01:12:06,588
"What if you do lose?" You know?

1672
01:12:06,722 --> 01:12:08,757
   When he got                  
arrested, that hurt Joe,        

1673
01:12:08,924 --> 01:12:11,160
  so he ended up going          
to jail for a long time.        

1674
01:12:11,327 --> 01:12:13,829
That's a setback for you.       

1675
01:12:13,929 --> 01:12:15,698
   You don't want no setback.   

1676
01:12:15,798 --> 01:12:17,099
  [Slone] Joe, I think,         

1677
01:12:17,266 --> 01:12:19,335
  was way more                  
 sensitive than people realize, 

1678
01:12:19,468 --> 01:12:20,936
  and it hurt Joe so... so bad. 

1679
01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:23,038
 Joe used to always say,        
 when he was hurt, he was like, 

1680
01:12:23,172 --> 01:12:24,673
 "I just                        
swallowed a razor blade."       

1681
01:12:24,807 --> 01:12:27,142
   [Watson] Hector would call   
  when he got busted, he said,  

1682
01:12:27,309 --> 01:12:30,212
   "I'm fighting three          
   and four times a day, man."  

1683
01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:31,680
He said,                        
"They're challenging me.        

1684
01:12:31,847 --> 01:12:34,717
 They're challenging me         
   because I'm Joe Frazier Jr.  

1685
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:36,251
   I'm tired."                  

1686
01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:39,288
  And he wanted                 
   to talk to his dad.          

1687
01:12:39,455 --> 01:12:41,090
  [Slone] Joe wouldn't          
  talk to him for a long time.  

1688
01:12:41,223 --> 01:12:42,624
 He didn't take the phone calls,

1689
01:12:42,758 --> 01:12:44,693
  and that's because he         
  was swallowing razor blades.  

1690
01:12:44,827 --> 01:12:46,795
   In the beginning, he would   
 visit him, and then he stopped.

1691
01:12:46,929 --> 01:12:49,732
   [Watson] It                  
   really took a toll on Joe,   

1692
01:12:49,832 --> 01:12:53,669
   and it... it broke           
  him, uh, as a father.         

1693
01:12:53,802 --> 01:12:55,437
   [Slone] Hector was           
  his own man, I guess,         

1694
01:12:55,571 --> 01:12:57,373
 and he made decisions,         

1695
01:12:57,473 --> 01:12:59,174
   and, "Oh, I had a disease,"  

1696
01:12:59,308 --> 01:13:00,609
   or whatever it was           

1697
01:13:00,709 --> 01:13:02,511
  that they're calling          
 for that kind of life.         

1698
01:13:02,678 --> 01:13:04,213
  His downfall                  

1699
01:13:04,346 --> 01:13:07,015
   was something that           
 was the toughest thing         

1700
01:13:07,116 --> 01:13:09,084
that I saw him go through       

1701
01:13:09,251 --> 01:13:10,886
during my time with him.        

1702
01:13:10,986 --> 01:13:12,154
 [Slone] And their relationship 

1703
01:13:12,287 --> 01:13:14,089
  never got to                  
 where it should've been        

1704
01:13:14,223 --> 01:13:16,892
   between a father and a son.  

1705
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:29,872
[Prince]                        
 Muhammad Ali apologized to Joe 

1706
01:13:29,972 --> 01:13:31,340
 in The New York Times,         

1707
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,409
and said, "If God               
   called me into a holy war,   

1708
01:13:33,542 --> 01:13:35,978
  I'd want Joe Frazier          
 there right beside me."        

1709
01:13:36,111 --> 01:13:37,346
   [laughing]                   

1710
01:13:37,446 --> 01:13:38,814
[director] That's               
 what he said about you.        

1711
01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:45,521
I got so                        
excited, I called up Joe.       

1712
01:13:45,654 --> 01:13:47,823
  "Champ, I think it's          
 time. Let's make this happen." 

1713
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:49,258
He goes, "You know what, Prince?

1714
01:13:49,391 --> 01:13:51,160
  You tell that son of a bitch, 

1715
01:13:51,326 --> 01:13:53,362
 why's he gotta                 
   speak to the damn reporter?  

1716
01:13:53,495 --> 01:13:55,297
 Why can't he do                
that to my face?"               

1717
01:13:55,431 --> 01:13:57,433
I was like, "Oh, my God."       

1718
01:13:57,599 --> 01:13:59,501
There were times                
when they'd get together,       

1719
01:13:59,635 --> 01:14:01,470
 and Joe would be civil,        

1720
01:14:01,603 --> 01:14:03,272
 but for the most part,         

1721
01:14:03,405 --> 01:14:04,940
 the hatred was                 
 there, and it remained.        

1722
01:14:05,073 --> 01:14:06,542
   I put an agent spin on it,   

1723
01:14:06,675 --> 01:14:08,377
just said, "It's                
 not a sincere apology.         

1724
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:10,112
He'd like it to be to his face."

1725
01:14:10,212 --> 01:14:11,980
And then Ali, of                
 course, came back with,        

1726
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,783
   "When you see Joe Frazier,   
 tell him he's still a gorilla."

1727
01:14:14,883 --> 01:14:17,186
   I'm gon' keep this           
gorilla with me every day       

1728
01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:18,821
 until the fight.               

1729
01:14:18,954 --> 01:14:20,722
   [Slone] His way of           
   saying who won the fights,   

1730
01:14:20,856 --> 01:14:23,225
he would compare                
 his physical abilities         

1731
01:14:23,358 --> 01:14:24,827
  to Muhammad.                  

1732
01:14:24,927 --> 01:14:26,128
[Averona Jr.] Joe Frazier       
would turn around and go,       

1733
01:14:26,261 --> 01:14:27,563
  "Yo, Bo. Look at him.         

1734
01:14:27,696 --> 01:14:29,364
   He's telling people          
  he's got Parkinson's.         

1735
01:14:29,498 --> 01:14:32,701
   He don't have Parkinson's.   
He's got left-hook-itis."       

1736
01:14:32,868 --> 01:14:36,472
  [♪♪♪]                         

1737
01:14:38,574 --> 01:14:40,175
[Prince] I got a                
call from Howard Bingham,       

1738
01:14:40,309 --> 01:14:42,744
 "Hey, I'm with                 
   Lonnie, and we want to know  

1739
01:14:42,878 --> 01:14:46,548
 if you and Joe and Marvis will 
come to Muhammad's suite tonight

1740
01:14:46,682 --> 01:14:47,649
and have dinner with us,"       

1741
01:14:47,783 --> 01:14:49,451
 so I got to catch up with Joe, 

1742
01:14:49,551 --> 01:14:52,020
and I'm nervous as hell,        
   man, my palms are sweating.  

1743
01:14:52,154 --> 01:14:53,455
  He looks at me, goes,         

1744
01:14:53,589 --> 01:14:54,756
  "All right, boss man,         
let's do it. What time?"        

1745
01:14:54,923 --> 01:14:56,291
 As simple as could be,         

1746
01:14:56,391 --> 01:14:59,094
   I have chills right          
   now from saying it, and...   

1747
01:15:03,565 --> 01:15:06,201
 Seven years of non-stop trying 

1748
01:15:06,335 --> 01:15:07,903
 and pushing and near-misses... 

1749
01:15:08,036 --> 01:15:10,572
 so we meet and                 
head over to Ali's hotel,       

1750
01:15:10,706 --> 01:15:12,541
 and Joe leans down at one point

1751
01:15:12,674 --> 01:15:14,209
   to kind of fix his sock...   

1752
01:15:14,343 --> 01:15:16,078
   he's got a                   
holster with a gun in it.       

1753
01:15:16,211 --> 01:15:18,881
 Like, "What the                
   heck is going on?"           

1754
01:15:19,014 --> 01:15:20,415
 We get in the hallway.         

1755
01:15:20,582 --> 01:15:22,551
  We're literally three         
  doors down from Ali's suite,  

1756
01:15:22,651 --> 01:15:24,920
and Marvis starts               
  laughing, like a little kid.  

1757
01:15:25,053 --> 01:15:26,221
  He goes, "You really thought  

1758
01:15:26,388 --> 01:15:27,656
he was gonna come               
  here and shoot Ali?"          

1759
01:15:27,823 --> 01:15:30,492
   And we knock on the          
door, and what a moment!        

1760
01:15:30,659 --> 01:15:32,995
Joe just kind of                
   trots over to him.           

1761
01:15:33,128 --> 01:15:35,030
Muhammad smiling.               

1762
01:15:35,130 --> 01:15:36,598
 Joe puts his hand on Ali's leg,

1763
01:15:36,732 --> 01:15:38,934
  Ali puts his                  
  hand on Joe's hands.          

1764
01:15:39,067 --> 01:15:40,869
   Joe goes, "Come on,          
man. Let me help you up."       

1765
01:15:41,003 --> 01:15:44,907
   And Muhammad's shoulder is   
  just lying on Joe's shoulder, 

1766
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,810
with both of them               
had tears in their eyes,        

1767
01:15:48,944 --> 01:15:52,915
   and Lonnie looks at          
me, and said, "Hey, Joe."       

1768
01:15:53,048 --> 01:15:55,751
 She looks over                 
  and says, "Thank you,         

1769
01:15:55,884 --> 01:15:58,120
because Muhammad                
   just found peace."           

1770
01:15:58,220 --> 01:15:59,254
 [Joe speaking]                 

1771
01:16:08,797 --> 01:16:10,566
   Joe had a period in          
 his life where I think         

1772
01:16:10,699 --> 01:16:12,401
  maybe he was                  
   drinking a little too much,  

1773
01:16:12,534 --> 01:16:15,637
 and there was a                
little surliness to him.        

1774
01:16:15,737 --> 01:16:17,272
   That wasn't really           
  the real Joe Frazier.         

1775
01:16:17,406 --> 01:16:18,640
 [Joe speaking]                 

1776
01:16:27,249 --> 01:16:29,217
  The real Joe Frazier          

1777
01:16:29,384 --> 01:16:30,819
   was the Joe Frazier          

1778
01:16:30,953 --> 01:16:33,789
that took care of               
  everybody in his neighborhood 

1779
01:16:33,922 --> 01:16:36,391
and took care of                
 the people around him.         

1780
01:16:36,491 --> 01:16:39,494
 There's not too                
many celebrities out here       

1781
01:16:39,661 --> 01:16:42,197
   that can be down to          
   earth like Joe Frazier was.  

1782
01:16:42,331 --> 01:16:43,732
He cared.                       

1783
01:16:43,865 --> 01:16:46,735
 If he saw you stranded         
  and your car was pulled over, 

1784
01:16:46,868 --> 01:16:49,338
  he got out of his car         
and got up under the car        

1785
01:16:49,471 --> 01:16:50,906
   to see if he could           
find out what was wrong.        

1786
01:16:51,006 --> 01:16:52,307
 And I remember                 
   I was 16 years old           

1787
01:16:52,441 --> 01:16:53,442
 when he took me under his wing.

1788
01:16:53,575 --> 01:16:54,843
  It's just in his DNA to help. 

1789
01:16:54,977 --> 01:16:56,478
You knew you had                
  somebody covering your back,  

1790
01:16:56,578 --> 01:16:57,946
   and I don't                  
  know any other people         

1791
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,514
   really like                  
  that, to that degree.         

1792
01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:00,882
   I mean, what he did          
 for me is unbelievable.        

1793
01:17:01,049 --> 01:17:02,684
   When Nelson Mandela          
   got out of prison,           

1794
01:17:02,818 --> 01:17:04,653
the two people he wanted to meet

1795
01:17:04,753 --> 01:17:06,488
 was Joe Frazier                
and Muhammad Ali,               

1796
01:17:06,588 --> 01:17:08,790
 so I'm sitting                 
   in a room with Joe,          

1797
01:17:08,957 --> 01:17:11,460
  he's thinking, uh, "I         
   gotta give him something,"   

1798
01:17:11,593 --> 01:17:14,496
  and on the top of the         
dresser was his WBC belt.       

1799
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:16,665
You know, to have               
  a championship belt,          

1800
01:17:16,798 --> 01:17:18,233
  that's everything to a boxer, 

1801
01:17:18,367 --> 01:17:20,936
and Joe gave him                
  what was left of him,         

1802
01:17:21,069 --> 01:17:26,708
 but Nelson Mandela was trippin'
that he got to meet Joe Frazier.

1803
01:17:26,875 --> 01:17:29,745
Every time you go into the ring,

1804
01:17:29,845 --> 01:17:32,714
  you lose a piece of yourself  

1805
01:17:32,881 --> 01:17:34,449
 you can never get back.        

1806
01:17:34,616 --> 01:17:36,885
   The question is, how much?   

1807
01:17:37,519 --> 01:17:39,054
 [Averona Jr.] I                
  was worried about Joe         

1808
01:17:39,187 --> 01:17:40,555
   as he started to get older.  

1809
01:17:40,722 --> 01:17:43,425
His speech was a little slurred,
and his balance was off.        

1810
01:17:43,525 --> 01:17:44,926
 [Slone] There's                
no way, you know,               

1811
01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:47,462
 he didn't have                 
some damage from boxing.        

1812
01:17:47,596 --> 01:17:49,064
 At the end of the day,         

1813
01:17:49,197 --> 01:17:52,367
  the human body wasn't         
  meant to be beaten like that. 

1814
01:17:52,534 --> 01:17:54,636
 They all pay a price, you know.

1815
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:56,038
Joe is no exception to the rule.

1816
01:17:56,171 --> 01:17:57,906
And I don't think               
  he was fully intact,          

1817
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,175
but I guess it was worth        
  the price of admission, man.  

1818
01:18:00,308 --> 01:18:02,277
 He's a legend.                 

1819
01:18:14,222 --> 01:18:16,525
   I couldn't get him           
  for, like, three, four days,  

1820
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:18,427
 so I'm starting to get worried,

1821
01:18:18,527 --> 01:18:19,961
  and I knew he                 
  wasn't feeling good,          

1822
01:18:20,095 --> 01:18:22,798
but I didn't know               
   how serious it was,          

1823
01:18:22,931 --> 01:18:25,467
  so I ended up                 
  getting Denise on the phone,  

1824
01:18:25,567 --> 01:18:26,835
 and she was taking care of him.

1825
01:18:27,002 --> 01:18:29,504
 She goes, "He's                
 really sick. He's got cancer." 

1826
01:18:29,638 --> 01:18:32,040
  Lonnie called                 
   me on November 5th,          

1827
01:18:32,140 --> 01:18:33,141
I was at Joe's highrise,        

1828
01:18:33,275 --> 01:18:34,443
 and he was already in hospice, 

1829
01:18:34,576 --> 01:18:36,678
and Lonnie said,                
 "We just saw the news.         

1830
01:18:36,812 --> 01:18:38,180
 This is as bad                 
  as I've seen Muhammad         

1831
01:18:38,313 --> 01:18:39,748
since his mother passed."       

1832
01:18:39,848 --> 01:18:42,217
   The covers were all          
the way pulled up on him.       

1833
01:18:42,384 --> 01:18:43,652
  I take my phone out,          

1834
01:18:43,785 --> 01:18:46,188
   and I got a                  
  picture of a woman on there,  

1835
01:18:46,321 --> 01:18:47,222
   so I clicked on it,          

1836
01:18:47,355 --> 01:18:48,590
  and I put it to him,          

1837
01:18:48,757 --> 01:18:50,292
and I notice that               
 eye focusing in on it,         

1838
01:18:50,425 --> 01:18:51,827
  and like this, again,         

1839
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,930
 "Oof," he goes,                
   "Bo, that's an 18-wheeler.   

1840
01:18:55,063 --> 01:18:56,998
 Put that away."                
So I put it away.               

1841
01:18:57,165 --> 01:19:00,435
   He said, "When you           
 take your last breath,"        

1842
01:19:00,569 --> 01:19:03,004
  [deep breath]                 

1843
01:19:03,171 --> 01:19:04,773
 "...Lord, forgive me,"         

1844
01:19:04,873 --> 01:19:06,675
He said, "You'll                
  get right in Heaven."         

1845
01:19:06,808 --> 01:19:08,176
 That's what he told me.        

1846
01:19:08,276 --> 01:19:09,244
  That was it.                  

1847
01:19:09,377 --> 01:19:11,179
   We held, I held his hand...  

1848
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:12,581
and then I left,                

1849
01:19:12,714 --> 01:19:15,550
   and then, like, two          
days later, he was gone.        

1850
01:19:15,784 --> 01:19:18,420
  [♪♪♪]                         

1851
01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:23,492
  I was a pallbearer that day,  

1852
01:19:23,592 --> 01:19:26,428
along with Sonny Averona        

1853
01:19:26,561 --> 01:19:28,063
  and Willie "The Worm" Munroe, 

1854
01:19:28,163 --> 01:19:29,297
 Michael Spinks,                

1855
01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:31,633
 and some of the                
  Frazier family, Mark Frazier, 

1856
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,302
  and I don't know who          
 was, who was in charge         

1857
01:19:34,436 --> 01:19:35,804
 of being the pallbearers stuff,

1858
01:19:35,971 --> 01:19:37,606
   but my hand was the          
  last hand that pushed it in,  

1859
01:19:37,739 --> 01:19:39,474
you know, "I got your back, man,

1860
01:19:39,608 --> 01:19:41,643
  'cause I know                 
  you'd have my back."          

1861
01:19:41,777 --> 01:19:44,479
Muhammad Ali, he                
 wasn't in great shape himself, 

1862
01:19:44,646 --> 01:19:46,281
  but he stood                  
basically the whole time,       

1863
01:19:46,414 --> 01:19:47,916
   and clapped the whole time,  

1864
01:19:48,016 --> 01:19:49,551
   with an action and a speed   

1865
01:19:49,651 --> 01:19:51,820
   that I hadn't seen           
   Muhammad use in long time.   

1866
01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:55,056
   They had a special           
bond, and you could see it then.

1867
01:19:55,190 --> 01:19:58,727
   I wish Joe could've          
  seen it. Well, maybe he did.  

1868
01:19:59,427 --> 01:20:02,063
  [♪♪♪]                         

1869
01:20:02,197 --> 01:20:04,266
Joe Frazier's one of the        
 greatest fighters of all time. 

1870
01:20:04,432 --> 01:20:07,335
   There's only a few guys you  
 can even put in that category. 

1871
01:20:07,469 --> 01:20:08,870
 He'd go down, he'd get back up.

1872
01:20:09,004 --> 01:20:11,339
 Joe Frazier had                
nothin' but fight in him.       

1873
01:20:11,473 --> 01:20:12,841
  [Tyrone Frazier] To this day, 

1874
01:20:12,974 --> 01:20:15,911
 it's still, like, man,         
   this great man passed away.  

1875
01:20:16,044 --> 01:20:17,813
I'm not putting the words right,

1876
01:20:17,946 --> 01:20:21,016
   but he just seemed           
 like a superman to me.         

1877
01:20:21,850 --> 01:20:25,020
  [♪♪♪]                         

1878
01:20:25,153 --> 01:20:27,789
 The Heavyweight Champion       
 of the World...                

1879
01:20:27,889 --> 01:20:29,791
   Joe Frazier!                 

1880
01:20:29,891 --> 01:20:33,261
 [crowd roaring]                

1881
01:20:33,361 --> 01:20:35,764
 [bell ringing]                 

1882
01:20:35,864 --> 01:20:37,299
  [♪♪♪]                         

1883
01:20:37,399 --> 01:20:38,633
[commentator] Round one!        

1884
01:20:38,767 --> 01:20:40,669
  [funky song playing]          

1885
01:20:40,802 --> 01:20:43,839
  A superstar,                  
Olympic gold medalist...        

1886
01:20:44,005 --> 01:20:46,608
  winning a Heavyweight         
 Championship back then,        

1887
01:20:46,741 --> 01:20:48,476
  he's an icon. Absolute icon.  

1888
01:20:48,610 --> 01:20:49,978
   [cheering]                   

1889
01:20:50,111 --> 01:20:52,414
  There were no                 
frills about Joe Frazier.       

1890
01:20:52,547 --> 01:20:54,583
  He didn't try                 
   to hide who he was.          

1891
01:20:54,716 --> 01:20:57,452
"I'm Joe Frazier,               
  and I'm gonna be me."         

1892
01:20:57,586 --> 01:20:59,020
   [laughter]                   

1893
01:20:59,187 --> 01:21:02,290
   One of the most unfortunate  
things in sports history        

1894
01:21:02,390 --> 01:21:05,093
   is that Joe Frazier          
 ended up having to live        

1895
01:21:05,260 --> 01:21:08,597
under the                       
 shadow of Muhammad Ali,        

1896
01:21:08,730 --> 01:21:11,333
   because the                  
  Joe Frazier story on its own  

1897
01:21:11,466 --> 01:21:12,534
   is so extraordinary          

1898
01:21:12,701 --> 01:21:14,736
   that it serves as a beacon   

1899
01:21:14,836 --> 01:21:18,240
  to people who face long odds. 

1900
01:21:18,373 --> 01:21:20,208
   [Cosell] The crowd           
   is chanting, "Ali!"          

1901
01:21:20,342 --> 01:21:22,344
  and Joe says,                 
 "Come on out and fight."       

1902
01:21:22,444 --> 01:21:23,578
   [Averona Jr.] I loved Joe.   

1903
01:21:23,712 --> 01:21:25,814
 He knew how to                 
   get into your soul.          

1904
01:21:25,947 --> 01:21:28,683
He taught me how                
   to appreciate life.          

1905
01:21:28,783 --> 01:21:30,118
  We had dinner                 
 with Denzel Washington.        

1906
01:21:30,252 --> 01:21:32,888
   I saw Lionel Richie          
   chasing after him.           

1907
01:21:32,988 --> 01:21:35,090
   Pacino, you know, De Niro,   

1908
01:21:35,223 --> 01:21:36,291
Stallone.                       

1909
01:21:36,458 --> 01:21:37,993
 Spielberg came over to         
us with tears in his eyes       

1910
01:21:38,126 --> 01:21:39,861
   asking if he could           
 get some time with him.        

1911
01:21:40,028 --> 01:21:42,564
 That always made my heart full,

1912
01:21:42,697 --> 01:21:44,065
  because the funny thing was,  

1913
01:21:44,232 --> 01:21:46,167
 Joe really didn't know         
  who any of these people were. 

1914
01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:50,405
  It's hard to explain          
 what Joe Frazier's done for me.

1915
01:21:50,505 --> 01:21:54,242
   He's made me better father,  
made me a better citizen,       

1916
01:21:54,342 --> 01:21:55,777
made me a better person.        

1917
01:21:55,911 --> 01:21:58,880
   I owe a lot to him,          
and I'll never forget it.       

1918
01:21:59,047 --> 01:22:00,282
  Thank you very                
    much, Joe Frazier.          

1919
01:22:00,448 --> 01:22:01,816
    Thank you!                  

1920
01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:03,551
  What I do, and who I          
   know, and where I've been,   

1921
01:22:03,685 --> 01:22:05,120
  is all thanks to Joe Frazier. 

1922
01:22:05,220 --> 01:22:08,623
  For me, what                  
   better life could you have?  

1923
01:22:08,757 --> 01:22:11,192
   For him to give me           
 the chance that he did,        

1924
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:13,962
  the people that I met         
working with Joe Frazier,       

1925
01:22:14,095 --> 01:22:15,897
  the places that I got to see, 

1926
01:22:15,997 --> 01:22:19,000
  the person that I got         
  to know, who is Joe Frazier,  

1927
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:21,569
   to be sitting here           
because of Joe Frazier...       

1928
01:22:21,736 --> 01:22:22,938
  unbelievable.                 

1929
01:22:23,104 --> 01:22:25,740
   I love Joe Frazier           
 because of what he did.        

1930
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,312
  From a fighter to a fighter,  
 he will always have my respect.

1931
01:22:30,445 --> 01:22:34,716
Joe Frazier was a               
 cornerstone of boxing.         

1932
01:22:34,883 --> 01:22:36,151
 [Joe speaking]                 

1933
01:22:46,928 --> 01:22:47,963
  [Cosell] I don't know anyone  

1934
01:22:48,063 --> 01:22:49,397
who gets the sheer joy of combat

1935
01:22:49,497 --> 01:22:51,967
    the way Joe Frazier does!   

1936
01:22:53,068 --> 01:22:56,504
  [song ending with a flourish] 

1937
01:23:06,681 --> 01:23:09,517
  [♪♪♪]