1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,120 This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,520 Hello? Faz, what's happening, my G? How are you? 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:11,720 Oh, it's Idris. IDRIS CHUCKLES 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,720 I'm good, man, I'm good. How are you? 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,600 What's happening? Are you good? 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,560 How you doing? You been busy? Yeah. 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,440 Ids, look. Last seven weeks, boy, 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,080 this is what we're messing with, yeah? 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,760 All these cases. 12 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,000 All these cases? Yeah. 13 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,400 I'm about to go to the station to hand these in. 14 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,000 Oh, my days. 15 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,520 So, like, these are the typical Rambos that a lot of the people use. 16 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,000 Yeah. Like, these cost, like, tenners, Idris. 17 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,400 £10? 18 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,920 But we got weapons that the tubes just can't facilitate. 19 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,760 Yeah. Like, look. 20 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,080 You know what I mean? 21 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:51,200 Oh, my God. 22 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,280 These are the kind of weapons that we're trying to get banned. 23 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,240 SHOUTS INDISTINCTLY 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,880 You think you're a bad boy, yeah? 25 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,360 Knife crime is a heartbreaking problem, 26 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,400 and in the past ten years has almost doubled. 27 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:18,600 I'm Idris Elba, and a few years ago, I became involved in the fight 28 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,080 against knife crime. 29 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,280 In 2024, I invited a film crew to join me as I try to get 30 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,320 to the root of the problem. 31 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,040 I want to meet people who have carried a knife... 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Now I realise I was carrying a deadly weapon. 33 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,240 Back in the day, carrying was pretty normal. 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,560 Where your keys? Where your phone? Where your knife? 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,200 ..and get everyone talking about the challenges ahead... 36 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,560 Morning. 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,000 Morning. Hi, how are you? 38 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,680 ..so we can all push those in power to take action... 39 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,280 It's a lot of money. How are we going to pay for it? 40 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,240 Just follow me. ..and find real solutions. 41 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,800 It is the most rewarding job I've done 42 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,240 since I've been in the police in 19 years. 43 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,400 It definitely works. 44 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,240 There is hope. 45 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,520 There's got to be ways that this can be done. 46 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,360 No issue is permanent. 47 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,320 There's got to be a way out of it. 48 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Because this is a problem that can affect anyone. 49 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,520 You don't have to be a bad child. 50 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,840 You don't have to be in a gang. 51 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,960 You don't have to carry the knife to be the victim of knife crime. 52 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,720 If you've got a knife or you know someone that's got a knife, 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,040 tell them to stab themselves right now. 54 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,000 Trust me, because you're just going to stab your future 55 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,400 if you go and stab someone else. 56 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,720 You become a murderer, you go to prison, you ain't got shit. 57 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,880 For what? 58 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,600 For some beef that lives within your community. 59 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,360 You need to see past that. 60 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,960 We have to say something about it. 61 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,400 Five years ago, I had this rant. 62 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,360 Just felt quite overwhelmed and angry. 63 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:07,000 It's just a constant flux of young people murdering each other. 64 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Knife crime happens every day. 65 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,840 But that particular day was just very... 66 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,560 You know, It was really painful for me. 67 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,040 I felt the need and the urge to speak up. 68 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,560 So, over the last five years, my focus has been on campaigning 69 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,080 to raise awareness and push for solutions. 70 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:35,440 But to be effective, we need to understand why some people 71 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,160 are choosing to carry a knife in the first place. 72 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,720 How old were you when you started carrying a knife? 73 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,200 I think I was 12. 74 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,560 In a park in Coventry, 75 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,240 I got 20 people run up on me, carrying all sorts of things. 76 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,520 And one of them swung an axe. 77 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:11,640 And then, ever since then, I didn't step outside without a knife. 78 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,440 Well, you're scared after that, ain't you? 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:16,960 You're going to be. 80 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,400 You got jumped. 81 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,400 So you're going to want to protect yourself some way, innit? 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,800 And that was the only way I could think of. 83 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,840 But I don't do that no more. 84 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:34,800 That's old me. 85 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,200 It still is quite normal for where I'm from to see someone 86 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,040 carrying a blade on them. 87 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,240 I nearly got two pulled out on me this week. 88 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:49,720 So... 89 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,480 Police are appealing for information 90 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,560 after the fatal stabbing of 16-year-old Harry Pitman, 91 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,880 who had gone with a group of friends to see 92 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,120 the New Year's Eve fireworks from Primrose Hill. 93 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,160 He was killed as hundreds of people gathered at the popular spot. 94 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,000 SIREN BLARES 95 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,040 We often assume all sorts of things 96 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,760 about those who get involved in knife crime. 97 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,360 But is there a type? 98 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,720 Tayla. Hi, mate. Lovely to meet you. 99 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,560 Nice to meet you, Tayla, how are you? 100 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:46,880 How's your family? 101 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,320 We're getting there. 102 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:51,640 This is his memorial. 103 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,000 It's really nice to come and sit here and just, like, be with him... 104 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,320 Yeah. ..because it feels like he's here. 105 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:01,840 You could spot Harry a mile off. 106 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:04,480 He had bright orange hair. He was your younger brother, right? 107 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,480 Yeah. Was Harry at school? He was at college. 108 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:08,640 He was studying law. 109 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,960 He wanted to do something in that sort of field. 110 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,120 Yeah. He was very clever. Very clever boy. 111 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,520 Smart boy. Yeah. 112 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,400 That's heartbreaking. 113 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,680 You know, I would be in bits all the time. 114 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,440 I have my days, I do. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure, man. 115 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,480 But was it just a beef? Was it a fight? 116 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,200 All we know is there was some sort of altercation. 117 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,640 And within that altercation, Harry was stabbed and killed. 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,000 Yeah. 119 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,880 The boy's the same age as my brother. Really? 16-year-old. 120 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,960 I hate to say it, but people think it's a race thing. 121 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,080 Exactly. You know. 122 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,680 That was the first thing that come out, when Harry was killed, 123 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,200 was, "I bet it was a black person. I bet it was a black person." 124 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,960 And it wasn't. It was another white boy. 125 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,440 So it can literally be anyone and happen to anyone. 126 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,640 There is such a general perception about this whole thing... 127 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,680 ..that knife crime just affects black and brown communities. 128 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,080 And it's just so, um...disheartening 129 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,400 because it's like no-one really cares to really understand it. 130 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,840 And the truth is that the majority of people 131 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,320 that are involved in knife crime are white. 132 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,080 There's also a perception that knife crime just happens in big cities. 133 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,440 Knife crime impacts lives across the UK. 134 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,280 The areas with the highest rate of increase are Avon and Somerset, 135 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,600 Bedfordshire and Sussex. 136 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,920 But the worst affected area over the past two years 137 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,480 is the West Midlands. 138 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,280 Go on! 139 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,160 Two 12-year-old boys have been found guilty 140 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,920 of murdering a man with a machete in a park in Wolverhampton. 141 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,800 The pair, who can't be named because of their age, 142 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,520 are thought to be the youngest boys 143 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,120 to have committed a knife-related murder in the UK. 144 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,960 It's in suburban neighbourhoods 145 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,520 that some of the most horrific attacks have taken place. 146 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,480 Nice to meet you. I'm Damian. 147 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:23,920 Idris. Thanks for meeting me. 148 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,320 Yeah, no problem. 149 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:26,720 I've been sort of campaigning 150 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,240 against knife crime for about five years. 151 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,680 What's been happening is, I've just been learning 152 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,240 that I don't know enough. 153 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,680 Yeah. And in this area, it was quite significant. 154 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:37,680 Something happened here, right? Yeah. 155 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:40,080 We had a 19-year-old lad, Shawn Seesahai, 156 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,240 sitting over on that bench, over there, 157 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,240 and then two other lads, 12 years old, 158 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,240 approached him and they were carrying a machete. 159 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,680 A 12-year-old? Yeah. 160 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,400 I mean... They've had a row, 161 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,720 next thing you know, Shawn's lying, you know, 162 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,120 not 15 metres from where we are now. 163 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,760 Massive stab wounds to the back of his skull. 164 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,320 A burr in his skull. 165 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,800 Stab wounds all down his back, and he's dead. 166 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,200 What was the nature of the fight? We don't know. 167 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,760 We've never found anything or there's nothing been said 168 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,280 to suggest that there, you know, there was any way 169 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,320 this is, like, postcode or gang related. 170 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,560 But, you know, the reality is, the two defendants have gone out 171 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,520 with a knife. You carry that knife and it's in play. 172 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,720 There's the knife, after we'd recovered it. 173 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,440 See this? Wow. That's... That's the machete? 174 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,080 That's the machete. 175 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,560 I mean, look at that thing. 176 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,120 Yep. 177 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,600 My son's ten. 178 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,520 Yeah. You know, so this is, like, right under my nose. 179 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,240 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. 180 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,560 When you see, you know, 12-year-olds... 181 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,040 Yep. ..that must be unusual. 182 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,280 When we learnt the identity of the two lads involved, 183 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,720 there was a bit of a collective pause where everyone was, like, 184 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,080 it feels like something's different here. 185 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,240 It feels, you know, you're crossing the Rubicon a bit. Mm. 186 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,480 But at the same time, 187 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,920 it was more the grim reality of where we're at... Yeah. 188 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,560 ..rather than complete surprise. 189 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:10,240 How does this community sort of get past that? 190 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,720 How do we not see it happen again? 191 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,800 Knife crime will not be stopped by police officers alone. 192 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Yeah. That will never happen. 193 00:10:39,560 --> 00:10:43,160 I started the year thinking about how easy it is for people 194 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,200 to buy knives and how accessible they are. 195 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,360 Morning. 196 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,640 We're on something Idris Elba is talking about today. 197 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,040 The actor is starting a campaign to speed up changes to law. 198 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,720 He joined victims' families outside parliament later 199 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,320 to launch a new campaign calling for an immediate ban 200 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,960 on zombie style knives and machetes. 201 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,560 At the top of this year, usually everyone's got 202 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:10,600 a New Year's resolution, got some new vigour. 203 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:16,600 Let's take that new vigour and let's apply it to eradicating knife crime. 204 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:23,520 The campaign really landed and made as much noise as possible, 205 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,440 to the point where, you know, the Government at the time pledged 206 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,200 to change a loophole in the law about zombie knives. 207 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,040 It's the first step, with a ban on zombie style knives and machetes. 208 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,880 But it doesn't fix the problem, because there are so many knives 209 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,520 and swords that are still legal to own and sell. 210 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:55,240 It's complicated because we all have knives in the kitchen. 211 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,760 But maybe the answer is simple - 212 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,000 introduce ironclad restrictions on the sale 213 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,640 of all dangerous knives that aren't used for cooking. 214 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,120 Six men have been sentenced to life in prison 215 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,240 for the murder of a teenager in south-east London. 216 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,200 Just 17 years old when he was stabbed to death in Betts Park 217 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,720 in Bromley in 2017. 218 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,600 When I lost my brother, I was 15 at the time when that happened. 219 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,280 You'd never been faced with that situation before. 220 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,800 You don't actually know what to say. 221 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,680 To put it quite simply, 222 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:53,320 I had many different offers involving retaliation 223 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,880 around what happened with my brother. 224 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,480 You've got to remember, you're looking at it from the outside, 225 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,760 and you live in a completely different world 226 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,840 to the world that these young people are living in. 227 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,680 Even with me and my situation, 228 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:09,400 I could have became a habitual knife carrier. 229 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:18,440 A lot of young people, if they come from certain areas within the UK, 230 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,840 before they reached the age of 14, witness some form of stabbing. 231 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:29,600 That's how a lot of young people grew up, seeing it happen. 232 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,920 That's how I grew up, seeing it happen. 233 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,000 We have to take knives off the streets, 234 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,720 but we have to also go further than that. 235 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,200 This problem of knife crime, it's a real indication of how much 236 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:52,680 we have failed young people, how much the society that that kid 237 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:57,360 is brought up into has allowed this to happen, 238 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,880 and it hasn't safeguarded them enough. 239 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Mate, what are you doing? 240 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,960 Get back! 241 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:20,680 Oi! 242 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,560 Oh, shit. 243 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,400 Oh, shit! 244 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,800 Shit! 245 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,960 Now, these images are being fed to, like, young people. 246 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,040 It's going, you know, in their social media, 247 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,320 and it's being fed through their algorithms. 248 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,600 And, I mean, when you watch this stuff, 249 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,560 it's crazy what you're seeing. 250 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,040 And for me, all this does is just really perpetuate more fear. 251 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,440 You see that, you go, "Well, I haven't got a shank. 252 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,480 "I haven't got a knife. I might need one." 253 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,200 And it glorifies it. 254 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,600 It might even be pushing kids towards, you know, 255 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,200 some sort of, like, arms race 256 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,600 where they want to get bigger and more scarier knives. 257 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,080 For young people's minds that are developing, 258 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:24,360 acting out of fear and high anxiety, they resort to knife carrying. 259 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,680 That's almost glamorised in certain spaces. 260 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,720 I'm Samir. I work with 11 to 25-year-olds who have been stabbed. 261 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,840 So my background, growing up in a loving family, 262 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,360 but I would say slightly dysfunctional. 263 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,600 No father was involved. 264 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,640 So, you know, mum was mum and dad. 265 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,560 Mum was incarcerated at a period of time. 266 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,160 Mum experienced domestic violence. We went into foster care. 267 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Did you ever carry a knife? 268 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,040 It was just standard. 269 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,560 Carrying was pretty normal. Pretty normal. 270 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,480 Where your keys? Where your phone? Where your knife? 271 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,800 And you look at the timeline of all these contributing factors. 272 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,760 To me, in the end, 273 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,520 got involved in a gang related murder where I stabbed someone, 274 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,880 who subsequently died. 275 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,240 I was incarcerated at age 18 and spent 16 years in custody. 276 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,400 I've been to Feltham Young Offenders Institute a number of times. 277 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,040 I've been there as a resident, as an inmate, 278 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,960 but I've also been there to deliver workshops as well. 279 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,040 So, yeah, Feltham, I know really well. 280 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,720 The mission statement on prison walls 281 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:56,280 talks about, in capital letters, rehabilitation. 282 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,920 But, you know, a victim's family would want to see you sometimes die, 283 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,040 you know, capital punishment, or see you rot in prison. 284 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,040 There's definitely, like, a whole sector of people that just believe 285 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,760 that people should just be sent to jail. 286 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,360 That's it, you know? 287 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,640 That's the only deterrent. 288 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:23,160 And if there was tougher sentencing, there'll be less knife crime. 289 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,280 For sure, I can understand why people are just like, 290 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,360 "That's what we've got jails for, send them to jail." 291 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,560 I've been given access to Feltham, the most violent prison in the UK. 292 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,640 If there was no law, we'd be at each other's throats. 293 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,560 It's just human nature. 294 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,480 So it is important to have deterrence. 295 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,320 What I want to try and understand, direct from the young people 296 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:08,080 that are in prison for knife related crime, is where it all went wrong. 297 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,040 Trying to really understand what that fork in the road was... 298 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,720 ..because obviously the threat of prison hasn't deterred them. 299 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,920 Thank you. 300 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,480 Go on in. 301 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,080 Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, man. 302 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,400 Thanks for meeting me. 303 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Do you mind me asking, how long have you been in? 304 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,320 Oh, two and a bit months. 305 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,520 Why are you in? 306 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:41,840 For a stabbing. 307 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,240 Stabbing? Yeah, GBH. 308 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:45,960 How old are you? I'm 17. 309 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,680 17? Yeah. 310 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,040 When was the first time you held a knife? 311 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,360 Probably like 13. 312 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,720 So what I'm trying to understand here is, like, 313 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,480 ten years ago, you were seven. 314 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,400 What was life like for you then? Family life? Pretty... 315 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,160 No, family life was messy, to be honest with you. 316 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,760 OK. My dad used to have mad anger issues. 317 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,160 He's making no money, coming home, taking it out on whatever. 318 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,320 Right. How was school life for you? 319 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,680 Did you...? No, school life was shit. 320 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,000 I'd be so raw. 321 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,520 I'd be so raw, like, and I started getting mega bullied. 322 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,240 I used to get really bad dandruff and people used to, like... OK. 323 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,680 ..take the piss, say, like, "Has it been snowing?" and that. 324 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,400 Cos obviously I had it on the back of my blazer. Yeah. 325 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,640 And then I used to just look around, 326 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,200 and I used to think, like, the only people that ain't getting bullied 327 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,520 is the people that are this certain way. 328 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,920 So I sort of felt the need to become that person. 329 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,480 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. 330 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,600 But then obviously, I stopped going to school quite a lot. 331 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,520 Did you get excluded from school? 332 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,920 Yeah, like, four or five times. Really? Yeah. 333 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,280 And then when you picked up a knife, 334 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,600 what was the thinking around the time? 335 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,360 When I had a knife, I felt like I could do anything, 336 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,680 and I felt like I was a god, you know what I mean? 337 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:55,960 Nobody can touch me. 338 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,920 It makes you the bad man in the situations, you get it, like? 339 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,600 But then push comes to shove and you end up using it. 340 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,400 All of a sudden, do you know what I mean, 341 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,080 this stuff becomes real. 342 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,840 I have a really good relationship with a lot of the kids. 343 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,120 I think they can genuinely see I want to help them to change. 344 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:19,520 But you need to get it when they're young now. 345 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,840 Get to them young. What does that actually look like? 346 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,480 Cos that's one of the things that I'm trying to understand. 347 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,840 So, speaking to the boys, 348 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,720 it's as soon as they're disengaged with any school, 349 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,160 the boys are telling us that's where you start losing them. 350 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,720 CLAMOUR 351 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:36,840 This is our gym. 352 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,520 Who's there? Who's there? Who's there? 353 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,920 BANGING 354 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:48,960 How are you? I'm good. 355 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,160 Idris. Nice to meet you. 356 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,480 How old are you? Er, I'm 18. 357 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,480 18? Yeah. Wow. How long have you been inside? 358 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:57,720 Three months this time. 359 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,040 But unfortunately, I've been in five different prisons 360 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,400 before my 18th birthday. 361 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,680 Wow. Yeah. 362 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,520 For anyone that has an experience with knife crime, the end goal 363 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,840 is to not have to be in those situations any more. 364 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Unfortunately, life's not that easy for many people. 365 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,400 Yeah. 366 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,440 What was your school life like? 367 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,160 I got kicked out when I was 15. 368 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,080 And you got kicked out, excluded, yeah? Yeah. 369 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,520 Was that the time when you got your own knife, at that juncture? 370 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,600 Yeah, literally very, very soon after. 371 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,240 Do you feel like if people were caught with knives and they get 372 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,720 a mandatory three or four years, do you think that would deter them? 373 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,600 It would have deterred some people, but there's a lot of people 374 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,080 that...they don't get tired of prison. 375 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,480 To them, it's just two sides of the same coin. 376 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,280 You're on the road and you're doing crime, or you're in prison 377 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,880 and waiting to do more crime. 378 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,200 It's more about protecting the public 379 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,560 than about rehabilitating these people. 380 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,640 But on the other hand, you're not protecting the public, 381 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,560 because these people will come out on you. 382 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,640 Yeah. Almost worse sometimes because of what the energy 383 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,040 like is here, breeding it. Yeah. 384 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,760 Violence begets violence. Mm. 385 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,160 For people coming into prison, this is the last part of the journey. 386 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,840 Yeah. There's lots and lots of systems and processes 387 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,000 that have failed them in society, and by the time they get here, 388 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,680 it's very costly for the public. 389 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,160 It's costly in terms of victims, and it's costly in terms 390 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,680 of how we rehabilitate from this point onwards, 391 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,160 because it costs so much per prison place for each individual. 392 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,520 That was very hard to swallow. 393 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,640 Like, you know, finding hope in a place like that is hard. 394 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,880 It's difficult because, you know, by the time they're here... 395 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,720 ..they've been cast away from society. 396 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,440 Just had this overwhelming feeling that... 397 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,240 ..somewhere along the line, 398 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,080 if someone had intervened earlier, 399 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,080 these prisons would be emptier. 400 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,120 We have this sort of like, you know, 401 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:14,000 "Take my belt off and beat them and they won't do it again." 402 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,040 That's not the way it works. 403 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,480 That was definitely interesting. 404 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,000 Two teenagers convicted of murdering a 16-year-old boy 405 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,400 in a case of mistaken identity 406 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,360 have been sentenced to more than 16 years in prison. 407 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,920 Ronan Kanda, who had just finished his GCSEs, was walking to a friend's 408 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,480 house in Wolverhampton when he was attacked from behind by the two 409 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,840 teenagers wielding a sword and a large machete. 410 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,080 Ronan was a mistaken identity. 411 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,520 The intended target lives bottom of our street. 412 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,760 Ronan wasn't doing anything to anyone. 413 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,560 He was just walking home. 414 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,520 This perpetrator, 415 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,720 he took my child's life thinking it's his intended target. 416 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,960 When we were shown the ninja sword 417 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,920 that went through my child's heart... 418 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,200 ..I fainted on the day when I saw it. 419 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,560 Look at them looking at him. 420 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,520 It's nice pictures of him. 421 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,320 Yeah. 422 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,880 And that's my last Mother's Day with my son. 423 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,600 That is typical Ronan, that is. He was a joker. 424 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,320 Yeah. 425 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,840 It wasn't a dream. 426 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,800 As a mum, like, I'd get up in the morning, 427 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,920 the first thing I used to do is dive into Ronan's room, 428 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,320 hug him, kiss him. 429 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,840 Ronan was, like, still my younger baby. 430 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,160 My baby, he was. 431 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,480 And, er, I would lie here... 432 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,800 "Push, come on, move up." 433 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,040 And he was like, "Mum!" 434 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,440 "No, let me just have a quick cuddle." 435 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,320 And then I'll just have a quick cuddle with him and then go 436 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,000 after that doing what I needed to do. 437 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,680 And this side is empty now. 438 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,400 I get in this bed... 439 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,080 ..but this side is empty. 440 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,200 Try making sense of that to me. 441 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,040 It's just... 442 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,360 The perpetrators, what they did was... 443 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,040 They could have been stopped many times. 444 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,960 Everyone failed. 445 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,600 Including police, education system. 446 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,040 There are other perpetrators, families, parents. 447 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,960 So all these failures are the reason my son is not 448 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,960 on this side of the bed today, 449 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,960 and I'm not able to hug him. 450 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:47,000 And these failures will continue if they are not highlighted. 451 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,280 If they're not being told that you messed up big time. 452 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,720 You failed in your duties. 453 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:09,680 The perpetrator and intended target started their fight in the school. 454 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,080 It all starts at school for that age group. 455 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,520 He was an angry young man. The school was quite aware of it. 456 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,480 I was like, "He's an angry man. 457 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,280 "You hold on to him." He needed help. 458 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:48,040 If somebody is troubled, you don't leave them out on the road 459 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,640 to go and do whatever you want 460 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,040 because you don't want that problem on you. 461 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,720 I'm not saying that we should ban exclusions, but is that 462 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,920 an opportunity for rather than excluding them saying, actually, 463 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,280 this is a moment where we could sort of red flag and say, here's, um, 464 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,960 an opportunity to course correct. 465 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,720 This moment of exclusion is not a moment for us to say, 466 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,440 "Let's just forget this kid," 467 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,840 but it's actually a moment where we can say, 468 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,680 "Let's help this child out. This is the time to help that child." 469 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:44,120 Look, school exclusions sometimes means keeping pupils safe. 470 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,560 I get it. 471 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,360 But we're not understanding young people in a school place. 472 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,720 We're not approaching it from a trauma-informed lens. 473 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,680 Maybe they experience a bit of domestic violence in the household. 474 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,040 Maybe they were troubled at the bus stop today 475 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,760 and it's acting out in the class. 476 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:14,200 So it sounds really cliche, but I wanted to join the police 477 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,080 to help people and catch burglars and robbers. 478 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,920 When I was younger, my dad was in the police. 479 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,160 I've been in the police 19 years. 480 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,280 A majority of that has been front-line policing. 481 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,160 SIREN 482 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,920 When you're front-line policing on response, you turn up 483 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,360 with your lights on to the incident 484 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,560 that you're dealing with, and you do stick a plaster on it. 485 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,080 You don't get to find out why these problems are happening. 486 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,040 A lot of the young people we work with have had a rough time. 487 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,200 There's been something in their lives 488 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,760 that has been a trigger or a trauma that has led them to the path 489 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,960 that they're on. 490 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,520 When they're excluded, there is no reason to get up in the mornings. 491 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,800 There is no, um... 492 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,680 ..no diversion out of life for them. 493 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800 You know, it's, what are they going to do with their time? 494 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,760 They'll go and hang around with older people or people in the same 495 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,440 position as them, and they're going to fill their time 496 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,320 probably not positively. 497 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,320 I run an organisation taking weapons from people in the community 498 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,080 and then disposing of them. 499 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,600 My 14-year-old daughter said, 500 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480 "Dad, can I go to my cousin's party?" 501 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,760 My brother's told me, 502 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,240 he said there's a few guys outside with a problem. 503 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,080 16-year-old party. 504 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,440 Yeah? 505 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,120 That's what I confiscated. 506 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,160 And if you think that's shocking... 507 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,960 ..these things come to the party. 508 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,640 What's this? 509 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,200 There's two times in my life 510 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400 where I was personally affected by knife crime. 511 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,960 I was 19 years old when I got stabbed the first time. 512 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,560 And the second time I got stabbed three years after. 513 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,200 And I was stabbed nine times on both occasions. 514 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,440 First it was like disbelief. 515 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,080 Then it went from disbelief to almost why? 516 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,520 And then stuck in that process there, 517 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:46,440 the anger came up, but I never, ever was tempted to carry a knife. 518 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,880 Um, I just didn't see longevity in revenge. 519 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,040 Do you know, how is that going to affect other people around me? 520 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,240 My mother, my children, you know? 521 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,200 That's what I've kind of used as a driving force 522 00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,480 to build my organisation. 523 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,560 And that's why I can almost call it like a relentless fight against 524 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,200 knife crime, because every time I do something for knife crime, I feel 525 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,480 like I'm kind of getting back at my personal situation. 526 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,640 If I can find a way for these young people to look at me as a person 527 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,840 to get rid of weapons, then that'd be amazing. 528 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,360 Do you know what I mean? 529 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,720 OK, so what we're going to do is we'll examine them. 530 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,960 We just want to make sure that there's...none of them are things 531 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,120 that we have interest in. Copy that. 532 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,120 A young person finds it hard to walk into a police station and drop 533 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,480 a knife off, you know. 534 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,880 Managed to pick up 5,000 weapons over thousands of people. 535 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,160 No-one's ever been arrested. 536 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:45,720 No-one's ever gotten into trouble. 537 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,600 No-one's ever been hurt in a collection. 538 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,920 What Faz is doing is important, but I'd like the Government 539 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,760 to make it harder for young people to buy knives in the first place. 540 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,760 MPs are debating just this, 541 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,680 extending a ban on zombie knives and machetes 542 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,600 to include a ban on ninja swords. 543 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,560 Many will be, quite frankly, shocked that such weapons 544 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,880 are not banned already. 545 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,040 This is the issue of ninja swords, and the reason why straight swords 546 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,480 are more difficult to ban is because, of course, some of them 547 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,440 are held by military historians and for commemorative purposes. 548 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,400 It felt like there was an attachment to swords, 549 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,960 which may have some sort of traditional heritage thing. 550 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,040 I just couldn't understand it, quite frankly. 551 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,840 We are live in Downing Street 552 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,320 as Rishi Sunak calls a general election. 553 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,840 Now is the moment for Britain to choose its future. 554 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,000 At a point where the country will vote a new leader, 555 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,720 you've got to be intentional in what you do. 556 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,480 If I can influence a government or any leader to kind of, 557 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,400 "Yo, can you please pay attention," then I'm going to do that. 558 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,360 Hi. Good morning. 559 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,520 Nice to see you. Good to see you. I'm very well. 560 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,040 Thanks so much. Hi, everyone. How are you doing? Thank you. 561 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,480 How you been? Been all right? Yeah. 562 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,520 Do you know the families we've got around the table? 563 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,800 Yeah, I've met most of them. Yeah. 564 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,600 Um, all of them have got, you know, experiences that they need to share 565 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,360 and things that can be done. 566 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,080 Can I ask a question, and you can say, "Shut up, Idris." 567 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,120 As you turn this corner, you're on camera as soon as you turn left. 568 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,000 Thank you. Thank you. 569 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,680 Hey. Hello. 570 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,320 Hi, guys. How are you? 571 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,720 How are you? You OK? Good. 572 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,800 We can't keep on meeting families and having a version 573 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,320 of the same conversation. 574 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,880 We've got to change the system. 575 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,000 That's really important. That's the spirit of it. Yeah. 576 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120 This doesn't stop. We're going to keep going. 577 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,080 And we have to hold the Government, 578 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,480 whatever government it is, accountable. 579 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,040 I felt like a bit of a prop. A bit of an impostor. 580 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,400 Out of everyone on that table, 581 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,040 I stand out as the, 582 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,720 "Why are you here, Idris?" You know? 583 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,400 "You make films. Why are you here?" 584 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,760 I'm an amplification device. 585 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,160 It's all very well wanting to stop knife crime. 586 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,240 The big question is, what can the Government do to make 587 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,400 a difference for the teenagers that are impacted? 588 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,720 One possible solution is at hospital, in emergency care. 589 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,480 The Royal London Hospital has pioneered a programme 590 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,600 after seeing young patients leaving with no support and returning 591 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,600 to the same dangerous behaviour. 592 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,640 For some young people, 593 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,840 the only difference between a victim and a perpetrator 594 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,800 is who won the fight that day. 595 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,040 The idea is to intervene at a point where the young person 596 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,680 is vulnerable, injured and open to the possibility... 597 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,480 ..of things changing. 598 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,480 Samir. Idris. How are you, man? You all right, yeah? 599 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,040 Nice to meet you, man. Thanks for taking the time to see me. 600 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,680 Pleasure. Pleasure, man. 601 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,280 What you're doing, it's an intervention, right? 602 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,560 This is a system that works right at the moment of crisis here. 603 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,520 Reachable moment. It's a reachable moment. OK. Yeah. 604 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,920 Our intervention kind of offers support and essentially 605 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,080 going on the journey with that young person. 606 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,640 We're not trying to remove knives from young people's possession. 607 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,800 We're trying to remove it from their heart. 608 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,280 A lot of young people think they've got nothing to live for. 609 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,360 It's not worth it. 610 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,160 And it's about instilling that value to say, bro, like, 611 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,600 you've got so much potential. 612 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,840 We've worked with young people and said, "How are you today?" 613 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,400 They said, "No-one's ever asked me that." 614 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,000 No-one's ever asked them, "How are you?" 615 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,360 Mm. "How are you?" So for me it's basics, man. 616 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,080 Like basics, especially for growing up in a dysfunctional family. 617 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,440 So nurturing is very important. It's very important. 618 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,000 This here is a programme. We're working a multi-agency approach 619 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,720 that gets our young people safer, but then hopefully go on 620 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:36,320 to live prosperous lives. 621 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,360 And in that I feel like there needs to be a much deeper 622 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,120 understanding of why. Yeah. First and foremost. 623 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,120 Right? Yeah. Why is this happening? 100%. 624 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,520 Poverty is number one at the forefront of, um, 625 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,280 violence within the UK. 626 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,800 Whether that goes down the throats of people or not, it's the reality. 627 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,800 Yeah, we've got a case at the moment - 628 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,840 it's a young adult, um, that was stabbed multiple times, 629 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,720 in an East London borough. 630 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:23,880 Quite a complex case, quite a lot of childhood traumas. 631 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,560 We'll try to identify services to ensure that, you know, 632 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,280 he has that ongoing support. 633 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,560 We've supported with education, getting them back into mainstream 634 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,360 school, mental health support. 635 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,480 Support around employment. 636 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,400 Some young people don't have ID. 637 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:45,680 We've got them ID. 638 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,120 Sounds very trivial, but ID opens up the door and that was £35 639 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,320 that they don't have. 640 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,120 So the opportunity to operate with them in the community 641 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,560 starts to build trust. 642 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,960 And they're like, "Oh, you're really in my life." 643 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,760 It is an incredible intervention, but doesn't change the fact 644 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,280 that someone is already seriously injured. 645 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,200 Are there ways to intervene earlier? 646 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,080 OK, what happens before the stabbing? 647 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,800 And can we do that guidance from that junction 648 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,760 before there's an incident? 649 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,880 It's like having those things pop up in the back of your garden. 650 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,840 If you decide to just chop it and chop it and chop it 651 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,160 every time you see it grow again, 652 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,240 then what do you think is going to keep happening? 653 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,120 You're going to have to keep chopping it. 654 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,920 If you take it out by the root, nine times out of ten, 655 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,680 it's not going to grow back again. 656 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,800 Because of my youth work, I got into the world of horses, 657 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,600 and I feel like it's helped me level myself. 658 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,840 The environment I come from, there's a lot of violence. 659 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,000 What was so astonishing about it for me was, 660 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:26,080 if I can communicate with such a big animal, that can actually cause me 661 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,280 a lot of damage if it wants to, 662 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,880 and the fact that I'm not having to be forceful or violent 663 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,560 with it, it's like, "Hold on a minute. 664 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,720 "Why should I need to be violent in any other form of communicating 665 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:41,200 "with other people?" 666 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,200 Idris, follow me. 667 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,400 So, like, people at home watching this documentary would be like, 668 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,280 "Wait, how are we here?" 669 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,720 Obviously, people definitely don't expect this at all. 670 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,880 I mean, it's not normal to see a South Londoner just chilling 671 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,320 around horses in a yard. 672 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,320 So let me ask you, like, how has your upbringing 673 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,520 lead you to where you are now? 674 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,240 I had, like, a mentor for over ten years. 675 00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:17,520 My mentor, he was provided to me by a youth service I used to go to 676 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,560 on a regular basis. 677 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,040 There was a lot of lessons and advice that was given to me 678 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,680 by that individual. 679 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,280 He's known me since I was, like... 680 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,400 ..11, 12. 681 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,920 What was it like at 12 having a mentor? 682 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,960 It was strange at first, but then it's like, when you start 683 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,000 having conversations, you start to see it completely differently. 684 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,200 Yeah. Because then you start to realise, wait, there's other 685 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,120 people in the world that actually care about who I am as an individual 686 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,720 and actually want to see me do something positive. 687 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:50,920 Yeah, yeah. Know what I mean? And it's like, if you're in 688 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,480 an environment where all you're being role modelled and taught 689 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,080 is wrong, then if that's what you know, that's you're going to do. 690 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,600 You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. 691 00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,640 I don't know much about what happened to your brother. 692 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,440 My eldest brother, he was out and about one evening, 693 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,080 bumped into a certain group of individuals. 694 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:14,360 It's believed that they had a bit of a dispute, and it ended with him 695 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,920 being knifed to death. 696 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,800 Your mentor had a lot to do with helping you not basically go 697 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,440 for revenge or anything like that. 698 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:23,760 100%. 100%. 699 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,440 These are the reasons why I'm not sitting in jail right now. 700 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,200 That's the best way to put it. 701 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,600 Obviously helped me at the time. 702 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,000 Understanding that you doing what you were going to do 703 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,880 ain't bringing nobody back. 704 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,480 If I didn't have a role model like him, my life 705 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,160 would look very different. 706 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,880 Jhemar, you know, he's a lovely kid. 707 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,760 And this intervention has really changed a life around. 708 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,960 And you could see it in his soul. 709 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,080 You can see it when you meet him. 710 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,440 So that's a really good example of mentorship gone right 711 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,000 and done really well. 712 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,480 The more people I can get talking about this, the more likely 713 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,880 change will happen. 714 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,600 Banging the pot and making noise works. 715 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,800 Someone's got to take advantage of a soap box. 716 00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,240 Someone's got to take advantage of the reach. And I have those. 717 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,920 About to head into the palace. See the King. 718 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,800 I'm always sort of thankful for him setting up 719 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,640 the Prince's Trust regardless. 720 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,160 Like, it's changed lives. 721 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,760 It changed...changed mine. It gave me an opportunity. 722 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,120 They gave me a grant when I was 16 723 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,760 to go to the National Youth Music Theatre and study. 724 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,920 Thinking back there, I was filling out the form and thinking, 725 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,640 "This is stupid. He's not going to choose me." 726 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:06,640 I came home from school, my mum said, "You got a letter." 727 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,960 It was a white envelope, handwritten. 728 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,040 "Idris Elba, Esquire." 729 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,800 And it had the royal seal on it. 730 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,520 I was like, "Nah, no way." 731 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,600 I opened it up and in the letter was a cheque. 732 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,560 If I hadn't gotten the Prince's Trust, 733 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,480 I wouldn't have had that experience, because we couldn't afford to go. 734 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,480 And it definitely put me on the right map. 735 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,480 You know, on the right trajectory. 736 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,120 Where is he coming from? 737 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,560 He's coming from the right, sir. 738 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,080 The King is going to actually come and greet you at the car. 739 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,360 What?! Yeah. 740 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,760 No. They're going to open the door, and he's going to be there. 741 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,640 No, man. Which is why we cannot be late. 742 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,840 Are you serious? Yeah. 743 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,440 Any sign? 744 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,040 There's a lot of traffic. 745 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,440 Are you going to greet him at the door, sir? 746 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,440 Yes. I'm waiting for him to arrive. 747 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,000 DOORBELL 748 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,040 Good morning. Good afternoon. 749 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,160 Sir. Good to see you. 750 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,760 It's been such a difficult nut to crack, hasn't it? 751 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,840 It really is. The campaigning continues. 752 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,840 I'm so thankful to have your ear. 753 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,160 I've always believed that, as an adolescent, what you really need 754 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,960 is channelling into something constructive. 755 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,760 It's my honour, I think, to have young people at the table, 756 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,120 OK, having their voice a part of this. 757 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,320 It seems to me the great ambition now should be to be able to go into, 758 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,440 you know, to try and dig people out from all the most... 759 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,320 the hardest areas to reach. 760 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,200 It's really interesting just being around, you know, 761 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,760 that sort of level of exposure. 762 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,920 And I didn't realise that we'd be sitting next to the King and people 763 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,600 from the community discussing it. 764 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,360 I didn't think that would happen. 765 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,080 You know, if every newspaper tomorrow says, 766 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,000 "Oh, there was a moment where the King and the young people 767 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,360 "and Idris all sat around the table," 768 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,480 that's what we need to see. 769 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,640 You know, the media have a massive role to play in this, 770 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,880 cos they've got the loudest soapbox amongst us all. 771 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,400 And I'm just like, um... 772 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,040 ..I'm very hopeful right now. 773 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,880 This Government has been elected to deliver nothing less 774 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,560 than national renewal. 775 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,680 With a new government in power, 776 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,920 they've invited people who know the reality of knife crime 777 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,080 to meet every two months to influence policy. 778 00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,520 Actor Idris Elba is in Downing Street today. 779 00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,200 He's taking part in a knife crime summit. 780 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,920 It's rare to actually be here at the beginning of it, 781 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:12,400 of this documentary. 782 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,120 We didn't know this was going to happen. So here we are. 783 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,240 Got my notes. 784 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,000 I'm going to speak for three minutes. 785 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:20,560 I don't know what I'm going to say, 786 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,760 but I'm just going to say it from the heart. 787 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,320 I find it amazing that people who've been through experiences 788 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,400 the like of which some people around this table have been through 789 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,840 are able to come forward. 790 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,320 You have to be brutally frank with us, 791 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,560 today and every time we meet. 792 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,400 Five or six years ago, I started to speak up and say something. 793 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,560 Five years later, six years later, though, unfortunately, 794 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,080 we're still talking. 795 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,760 Um, and, you know, talk is good, 796 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,400 but action is more important. 797 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,360 We need joined up thinking. 798 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:57,000 And there are all kinds of people here today from organisations, 799 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,760 charities, victims, youth services, health services, police, education, 800 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,480 Home Secretary, because everyone here has something to offer this. 801 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,840 And, um, let's hold ourselves to task. 802 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,640 My name is Pooja Kanda. 803 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,720 I'm here today to tell you about my beautiful son, Ronan. 804 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,360 Ronan didn't stand a chance. 805 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,400 He tried to run for the house, which was only two doors away. 806 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,800 He didn't reach his house and he dropped there on the road. 807 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,320 I finally believe that I've been heard... 808 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:40,760 ..and that's good. 809 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,640 That's good that I was there and was able to express myself. 810 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,560 And I hope the Government listens. 811 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,680 BIG BEN CHIMES 812 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,800 To the House of Commons, where Labour's first Budget 813 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,640 for 14 years will be delivered by the Chancellor, Rachel Reeves. 814 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,080 Ms Reeves is expected to say her priority 815 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,920 is to invest, invest, invest. 816 00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,280 The interventions that I've been learning about - 817 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,960 the hospitals, the schools, the community - they all cost money. 818 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,960 Government says the budgets are tight. We get it. 819 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,880 But it's not just about asking for more funding, 820 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,200 it's about what you do with the money there is. 821 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,200 Saying, "Knives end lives. 822 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,560 "Knives get you sent to prison." 823 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,760 Everybody carrying a knife knows that. 824 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,840 Everybody involved in a fight knows that. 825 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:53,480 So we all need to do our best to identify who's at risk, 826 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,600 help them with showing them that there are other options available. 827 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,480 Carrying a knife by itself is... 828 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,200 ..I mean, kind of is suicidal. 829 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,680 I guess it was just the environment I grew up in. 830 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,280 My mum had custody of me, and I got kicked out of there 831 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,800 for the stuff I used to be involved with. 832 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,200 I moved into my nan's. 833 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,240 Got kicked out of there cos of the stuff I was involved in. 834 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:29,080 My school, I got kicked out there. 835 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,640 And then I was out of school for a year. 836 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:36,760 I have autism and ADHD. 837 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,720 It just makes it... I didn't know that - 838 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,600 so it makes it hard to speak... 839 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,960 ..to anyone. 840 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:54,280 In Coventry, the police are piloting a new approach 841 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,120 that seems to have potential. 842 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,120 It's called CIRV. 843 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,200 CIRV is the Community Initiative to Reduce Violence. 844 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,920 They're seeking out teenagers they suspect are on a path 845 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,360 that leads to knife crime. 846 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,360 Then they step in before a stabbing is committed, 847 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,400 build a relationship and suggest opportunities 848 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,760 that connect with that teenager. 849 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:26,600 This programme, it is the most rewarding job I've done 850 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,200 since I've been in the police in 19 years. 851 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,840 Children or young people who carry knives, 852 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,440 I can honestly say it's a way of life that the majority of them 853 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,600 don't want to be in, but they just... 854 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,960 They're so stuck, they don't know how to get out. 855 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,400 So it's kind of guiding them out, mentoring them out. 856 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,160 We work with education and career opportunities. 857 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,880 It's about finding something that they enjoy 858 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,600 and showing them what they can achieve. 859 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,400 It's a consistent adult figure in their life 860 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,920 to guide them and lead them onto a different path. 861 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,600 It definitely works. 862 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,720 Jayden was referred into the programme after concerns 863 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,440 that he might have been involved in gangs, carrying knives, etc. 864 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,680 He was a hard nut to crack initially. 865 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,440 Very quiet, as are most of them, initially. 866 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,960 So it was just finding a way of breaking down barriers 867 00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,920 and kind of just forming a bit of a relationship 868 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,120 and a trusting kind of bond between the two of us. 869 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,640 Jayden, how are you doing? This is Idris. Nice to meet you. 870 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,800 Good to meet you. How are you? 871 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:40,880 I'm good. You? 872 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,520 I'm all right. I can't complain. 873 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,320 I know that you've, you know, been working with Laura 874 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,920 and the CIRV team for a little bit, and I'm just curious. 875 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,280 I just wanted to hear how you found it 876 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,680 and, you know, how you're getting on with it. 877 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:55,880 Yeah. 878 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,080 Well, when I first joined the CIRV programme, 879 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,080 I had no confidence in myself. 880 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,040 And, like, well, she helped me out a lot. 881 00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,000 Yeah, it's helped me a lot. 882 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,360 It's helped me a lot. 883 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,160 So you don't carry a knife? 884 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,480 No, I used to. 885 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,000 I used to carry a knife, and I used to be scared. 886 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,920 Some people, they say they feel naked without it. 887 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,840 I felt naked without it. 888 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,400 You've got to make that change. Mm. 889 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,680 And it's hard to. It's proper hard to. 890 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,280 I'm still... I'm still struggling now, 891 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,600 but I'm finding my way. 892 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,640 I'm finding my way, innit? 893 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,600 I heard you was an Arsenal fan as well. 894 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,640 Me? 895 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,040 He's stirring! 896 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,160 What? THEY LAUGH 897 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,800 Now you're chatting. Now you're chatting. 898 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,800 Now you're chatting, Laura. 899 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,560 Come on. You set me up. 900 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,000 LAURA LAUGHS 901 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,320 Wh-What team? 902 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,480 Villa. 903 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,920 Villa? Yeah. OK. 904 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,040 Cos of my great-grandad. 905 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,400 All my life, I've loved football. 906 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,160 I'm joining an academy soon, as well. That's amazing. 907 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,120 How does that...? Do you get in contact with the academy? 908 00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,800 Yeah, I just sent an email and just said who we are, 909 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,520 what the programme was about. 910 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,120 The programme's giving you ways to figure out 911 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,160 how to get past the bad days, yeah? 912 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, loads. 913 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,000 And then I guess, like, what you're doing with your sports, 914 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,040 that's almost another anchor, isn't it? 915 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,160 Yeah, yeah. 916 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,280 Anything that's good for me, she'll make sure it happens. 917 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,440 But you're already talking about the opportunities 918 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,280 the academy might give him in terms of qualifications, 919 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,040 and one of them could be a coaching qualification. 920 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,000 And he's already said the other week, didn't you? 921 00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,080 Yeah, I'd love to coach. I'd love to be a coach. 922 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,480 That seems like a really hopeful step. 923 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,000 Mate, nice meeting you, man. 924 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,040 Thanks for your time, yeah? 925 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,920 We're off. Laura, thank you very much. Thank you. 926 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,600 Really nice meeting you. And you. 927 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,640 What was great is coming here and seeing a version of hope 928 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,280 with the CIRV programme. 929 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,880 You know, the CIRV programme actually really ticks 930 00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,680 a lot of the boxes that we've been talking about. 931 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,600 And then with stories like Jayden, you're kind of saying to yourself, 932 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,200 "All right, is there a version that happens nationwide? 933 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:26,080 "Is there a version that can be done at a much, much larger scale?" 934 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:31,320 That is going to be a massive logistical conundrum, 935 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,000 but it is so worth it when you watch a kid like that 936 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,560 who a year ago was struggling, who's, you know... 937 00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:43,000 He's just this far away from going back to his old roots, 938 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,280 and then he's got this programme that can help him, right? 939 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,520 And that's... 940 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,280 I guess, you know, when people watch this film, 941 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,360 say, "What's the point of it? What's the point?" 942 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,000 Well, this is the point, that there is hope, 943 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,240 there's got to be ways that this can be done. 944 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,200 You know, no issue is permanent. 945 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,160 There's got to be a way out of it. 946 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,320 This is too dangerous to be not speak about it. 947 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,560 It could happen to another child. 948 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,600 We just need to get it right. 949 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,360 What I want people to understand 950 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,040 is that it takes a village to raise a child. 951 00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,800 What's happening with young people 952 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,800 is they are burning down that village 953 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,920 cos they're not feeling the embrace of that place. 954 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,480 And I'm inviting you to be part of this village, 955 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,560 and play into it, and invest in our young people. 956 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,880 There's a bigger picture that needs looking at. 957 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,720 Everybody deserves a chance at the end of the day, 958 00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,280 and it is about that chance. 959 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,040 It's a no-brainer to me, to be honest. 960 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,200 I value life a lot more now. 961 00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,880 There's some beauty in the world for me... 962 00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:58,960 ..that wasn't there before.