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We begin tonight
with the urgent search
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for a deep sea
submersible vehicle
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Official YIFY movies site:
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missing in
the Atlantic Ocean
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with five people
on board.
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Developing story
that's really capturing
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the world's attention
right now.
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[male reporter 2]
The Titan bound for
the wreckage of the Titanic
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two miles below the surface.
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[male reporter 3] Passengers
paying up to $250,000.
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Tonight,
the families of the crew
are waiting for word.
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The idea that passengers
were going to be aboard
was insane to me.
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[Stockton Rush]
This is an experimental sub.
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It's very dangerous
down there.
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You're in the dark.
Just enough light to see.
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Breaking news.
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The tragic end
to that deep sea dive.
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All five men
on board the craft
lost at sea.
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This was a moment in time
when their sub was there,
and then it was not.
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The one person
that should not have been
on the Titan
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was the teenage son.
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I've gone
back and forth a lot,
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like whether
I should have done more.
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You know, whether there's some
moral obligation to do more.
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Do you solemnly swear
that the testimony
you're about to give...
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Shocking new details
about what led up
to the deadly implosion
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of the Titan submersible.
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Everyone in the world
wants to know
what happened to Titan.
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When you're outside the box,
it's really hard to tell
how far outside the box.
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I've spent
a great deal of time
trying to figure that out.
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If it wasn't an accident,
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it then has to be
some degree of crime.
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Thanks very much.
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You may have seen
in the write up of this,
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that I wanted to be
an astronaut.
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It's why
I got an engineering degree,
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I watched
Star Trek, Star Wars.
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And I wasn't going to
get to Jupiter or Mars,
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but I did realize
that all the cool stuff
that I thought was out there
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is actually underwater.
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[Tym Catterson] Stockton was
a very strong personality.
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He had a a trajectory
of what his plans were.
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Why were there
only four submersibles
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that could go
to the average depth
of the ocean?
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I don't think Stockton
started this whole project
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knowing that it would end
in total disaster.
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He believed in having people
have better access
to the deep ocean.
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[Catterson] He wanted
to support science,
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and he wanted to support
educational outreach.
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Make this kind of adventure
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more approachable
to the public.
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That's basically
why I stayed around.
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The goal was,
"Where do you want to go
in the ocean?
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"What is the most known site
in the ocean?"
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And it's clearly the Titanic.
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It always has been a challenge
to explain to people
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why they would go in a sub
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'cause they're typically
nervous.
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But when you say
you're going to the Titanic,
they don't care.
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They've seen the pictures
in the movie.
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They want to go see
the Titanic.
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And so,
from a business perspective,
it was very appealing.
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And to go to the Titanic,
which is at 3,800 meters,
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requires a special sub.
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Level. Do a good cleaning,
check the surface out
and take measurements.
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[Rush] Today is a critical
joining of the titanium
and the carbon fiber.
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That seal needs to be
uniform and small,
but not too small.
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[Josh Gates] Stockton wanted
to bring people to Titanic,
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so he built a vehicle that had
a totally different shape.
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Toilet paper tube.
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[Rush] It'll be
the deepest diving
carbon fiber sub ever built.
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But if we mess it up,
there's not a lot of recovery.
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I'm good already north-south.
Just east-to-west.
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[Gates] This carbon fiber hull
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that was built to be
lighter and stronger
from the space age material,
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it had these
big titanium end caps
that would seal this cylinder.
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You can get more people
inside that shape.
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When I first
saw it on the dock,
it was kind of this marvel.
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[Rush] This technology
is what we need
to explore the ocean depth.
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We're going to
go to 4,000 meters
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after our testing
in the Bahamas.
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What he's doing
is experimental,
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and it involves exploration,
and it's a business.
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And with this,
I thee christen, Titan.
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[cheering and applause]
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[Gates] If you're starting
a submarine company,
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is there a more
famous destination
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in the world than Titanic? No.
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By the time
we're done testing it,
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I believe
it's pretty much invulnerable.
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And that's pretty much
what they said
about the Titanic.
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-That's right.
-[chuckles]
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[news anchor]
And we begin tonight
with breaking news.
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The tragic end
to that deep sea dive
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to the wreckage
of the Titanic.
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The Coast Guard reporting
that pieces of the sub
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have been found
in a debris field
near the Titanic.
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Seeing all of the gear
that came up,
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the sheared off rings
and the metal
and the bent penetrators...
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I was gutted. Um...
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[R. Adm. John Mauger]
Over the past week,
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the world has followed
the story of the sub Titan
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and the five people
who perished
in the terrible tragedy.
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The Coast Guard
has officially convened
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a Marine Board
of Investigation
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led by Chief Investigator,
Captain Neubauer.
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Thank you, Admiral Mauger.
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This is the highest level
of investigation
the Coast Guard conducts
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to determine the cause
of this tragic incident.
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The Coast Guard investigation
can make recommendations
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to pursue civil or criminal
sanctions, as necessary.
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Seeing the debris,
the pieces
that were left over,
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kind of replaying
what must have occurred,
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that races through your mind
over and over.
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[Catterson]
Three of my friends were
in the sub, and disappeared.
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Do I feel bad about it?
Absolutely.
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Stockton was a friend of mine.
Now he's gone.
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PH was one of
the godfathers of diving.
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And Hamish,
they were all in there
to get something out of this.
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Do I miss them? Yeah.
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I miss all of them.
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Suleman knew nothing about it.
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This was just
his grand adventure.
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And it was the same
for his father.
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[Christine Dawood]
This is the life of my son
and my husband
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they are talking about.
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This is the life of Hamish
and two others who died there.
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It was deeply personal.
It can't get more personal.
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They're never gonna come back.
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Their voices
are still in the house.
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Their memories
are in the house.
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No matter
what the investigation is,
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the rooms are still empty.
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Do I need to know
exactly what happened
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in order to come to terms
with these empty rooms or not?
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And I don't know
the answer yet.
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It's a process.
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Mr. Stanley,
the board's recorder
Lieutenant Steele
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will now administer your oath.
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Do you solemnly swear
that the testimony
you're about to give
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will be the truth,
the whole truth
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and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
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I do.
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[Lt. Steele] Thank you.
You may be seated.
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Mr. Stanley, if you would,
explain your background
and training
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that relate
to submersible operations.
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I read a book
when I was nine years old,
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and started researching
how to make a submersible.
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This is the vehicle
I operate now.
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She's named Idabel
after the town in Oklahoma,
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and it's made out of
one of the approved steels.
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Actually, the US Navy was
making their own submarines
out of that steel.
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[Capt. Neubauer]
The public hearings are such
an important process to have.
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These are traumatic events
with unexpected loss of life.
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It's not a surprise to me
when witnesses
are deeply impacted.
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Mr. Stanley, is there
anything that you think
would be valuable
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for the board to consider?
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I wish that you would
indulge me a few minutes
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to lay out
what I think about this,
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seeing that OceanGate
came very, very close
to killing me
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and has had a severe impact
on my business,
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as well as an entire industry.
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The definition of an accident
is something that happened
unexpectedly,
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and by sheer chance.
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There was nothing unexpected
about this.
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This was expected by everybody
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that had access
to a little bit
of information.
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And I think that
if it wasn't an accident,
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it then has to be
some degree of crime.
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Continuing coverage
of the Titan submersible
hearings.
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Today we heard the testimony
from a man
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who went to the bottom
of the ocean with OceanGate
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and resurfaced with red flags.
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Stockton Rush invited him
on the deepest dive
he had ever been offered,
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and he just
couldn't pass it up.
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[Stanley] I got
an email saying,
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"Come out
to Marsh Harbour, Bahamas,
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and I have a spot
open for you."
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-[man] Yup, yup.
-Looking good.
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Looking good. Hold that line.
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That was an extremely
unique opportunity.
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Kenny, do you hear that
from Titan?
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[man] That's affirmative.
Stand by.
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4,000 meters, we're there.
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[people chuckle]
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All of our test program
has been about
incremental testing.
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Out here, we're really focused
on one thing,
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and that's
the pressure vessel,
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and making sure
that that component,
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which is clearly
the most critical component
of the sub,
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is safe and capable
of handling depths
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down to 4,000 meters
repeatedly
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with people on board.
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[woman] Rocks around.
We've got
two different directions...
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-[man on radio] Go ahead.
-[woman] Just checking
on your progress.
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[Stanley] When we were
doing that dive,
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I did not even come close
to appreciating
the real danger.
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I was the one that was like,
"Hey, capture this moment."
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Like, I was happy to be there.
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[Petros Mathioudakis] In 2019,
I got invited to go down
to the Bahamas.
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OceanGate purchased
a laser scanner,
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and the intent was,
at the time,
to mount that on Titan
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to be able to make
a 3D model of the Titanic.
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And they basically
wanted someone there
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to ensure that
it was operating correctly.
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I had never been involved
in any submersible
operations before,
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so it was a lot to take in.
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You know, being in the Bahamas
and feet in the sand,
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getting to work
on underwater robotics
and submersibles.
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I mean, I couldn't think
of a more fun thing to do.
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You know,
he was young and naive.
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Kind of crazy
for somebody in their 20s
to be going that deep
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with, really,
no specific background.
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Okay, I'm good. Lock me up.
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Stockton had mentioned
that it's really tough to test
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the hull of Titan correctly.
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It was just not feasible,
not possible.
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It fell outside the boundaries
of normal testing.
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I was aware that
this was extremely risky,
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and Stockton was very clear.
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He said, "Do you have a wife?"
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And I said, "No."
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"Do you have kids?"
And I said, "Nope."
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He said, "Okay, you're in."
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[laughs]
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When you're inside of Titan,
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on your descent,
you're just freefalling.
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You're just heavy
and your, you know, gravity
is pushing you down.
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You're essentially
in the dark.
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Just enough light to see.
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[Rush] Uh, no.
Left is forward is down.
On the left stick.
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-[Stanley] This is down?
-[Rush] That's up.
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-[Stanley] That's up?
-[Rush] Yup.
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-[Stanley] That's down?
-[Rush] Yup.
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I remember driving
for a large amount
of the time.
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[Stanley] Okay.
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[Rush] You don't check down.
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[laughter]
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The first time
the carbon fiber
made a noise in that hull,
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it was extremely loud.
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It was like a gunshot.
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[muffled thud]
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Any noise
would have been loud,
but that was loud.
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You don't want to be
in a submarine
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and hear
those kinds of sounds.
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Everyone stops talking
for a little bit and...
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That loud, sudden noise
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that you know is
essentially part of your
pressure vessel breaking
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when you're sinking
in the near pitch blackness
and silence,
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I think that's going to
scare anybody.
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Just how much noise do I hear
before we all die?
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[muffled thud]
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[Stanley] Took a while,
let's say maybe like five
or ten cracking incidents.
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That was when I think
I was composed enough
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to isolate
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where the cracking sounds
were coming from.
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Stockton saw this,
but still he pushed on.
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And you really
have to ask yourself why.
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[Mathioudakis]
It didn't faze Stockton.
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He's like,
"Yep, that's normal.
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"Like, you know,
that happened before."
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We're slightly negative.
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Like,
we're getting closer to it,
but we're not touching it.
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When we got
almost to the bottom,
or at the bottom,
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the lights on the exterior
of the sub powered down.
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[Rush] I see the bottom.
I don't think
we're touching it.
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We had a bit of issue
with one of the battery banks.
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Stockton had mentioned
we're not seeing full vertical
thruster availability.
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[Stanley] Who wants to be
the first one to say
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that they're scared
and they want to go back up,
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canceling the trip
for everybody
because you got scared?
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The supposed goal
was to test it
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to the exact depth
of the Titanic.
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We got 96% of the way there.
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But because
the cracking sounds
were continuing,
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at some point, collectively,
we came to a decision of,
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"Well, that's good enough.
Let's call it a day."
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I'm sure we were within
a few percentage points
of implosion.
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You sent an email
in April 18, 2019 to Mr. Rush.
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You say, "The sounds
we observed yesterday
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sounded like a flaw/defect
in one area
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being acted on
by the tremendous pressures
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and being crushed/damaged.
285
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"Would indicate
there is an area of the hull
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that is
breaking down/getting spongy."
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In my email,
I tell him that the hull
is yelling at him
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and he needs to listen.
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You'd literally see it
on a graph of paper,
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and he still chose
to ignore that.
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This exchange of emails
strained our relationship.
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I felt like
I kind of pushed things
as far as I could
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without just
him telling me to...
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shut up and never
talk to him again.
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Mr. Stanley,
within those emails,
were you made aware
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that a crack
was identified in the hull?
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According to
the maintenance log,
it was on May 29, 2019.
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-I learned about the crack
quite recently.
-Quite recent.
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[Stanley] It's like
you're paying somebody
to play Russian Roulette,
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and there's really
three bullets in the chamber,
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but you're told
there's only one.
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That's not right.
303
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[Capt. Neubauer]
We will now hear testimony
from Mr. Tony Nissen,
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the former OceanGate
Director of Engineering.
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As the director
of engineering,
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did you make
all engineering decisions?
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No.
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-Did you make
any engineering decisions?
-Yes.
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And who would
make the majority of
the engineering decisions?
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It was Stockton.
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In June 2019,
an OceanGate pilot
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was conducting
a pre-dive inspection
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and identified a crack
in the carbon fiber.
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I got a picture.
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I said...
I think the email was,
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"Hey, Tony,
is this supposed to be there?"
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Said, "No, that's a crack."
318
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And I spent a couple hours
trying to convince people that
no, this is not salvageable.
319
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And I said,
"Titan's got a crack in it.
I said, "The hull's done."
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And we started carving it out,
321
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they noticed that the crack
was bigger than we thought.
322
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When the first hull failed,
they sanded it all out
323
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and they saw
that there was a crack.
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It went virtually
the whole length of the hull.
325
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Now, I know what it takes
to create a sub.
326
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It's because it's what I do.
327
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That was the issue
with the Titan.
328
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They painted themselves
in the corner
early in the game.
329
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As Stockton was planning
to build the sub
using carbon fiber...
330
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eh, I did not agree with it.
331
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Hardly anybody in the public
is familiar with carbon fiber.
332
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It's stable all the way up
until this magic point
that it is not.
333
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The failure happens
catastrophically.
334
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Nearly explosively.
335
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As you're diving down,
the pressure
is getting greater.
336
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Now, they heard big pops.
337
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So your fibers are like this.
338
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When this breaks like that,
that would make
some pretty loud pops.
339
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And if it's still
hanging in there,
still supporting it,
340
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it doesn't mean
it's failed completely yet.
341
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Certainly,
Stockton had the money.
342
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He had the vision,
the drive to do this,
343
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and he surrounded himself,
for the most part,
344
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with people
that would say yes.
345
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Because if you didn't say yes,
346
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you weren't there
working with him.
347
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[Capt. Neubauer]
Thank you, Mr. Nissen.
I appreciate your testimony.
348
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You are now released
as a witness
at this formal hearing.
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[Lt. Cdr. Tom Whalen]
So after dive 47,
350
00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:08,100
Tony Nissen
identified a crack.
351
00:22:08,100 --> 00:22:12,600
Stockton and OceanGate
needed to maintain
their company vision
352
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,000
of taking people
in a carbon fiber
innovative submersible,
353
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going down to the Titanic
for the trip of a lifetime.
354
00:22:20,767 --> 00:22:22,467
They didn't know
what to do at that point
355
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because the hull
had a crack in it.
356
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The director of engineering,
Mr. Tony Nissen,
357
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,600
states that they are
going to need to scrap it.
358
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Basically what he says is,
"The hull is done."
359
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Mr. Nissen is then fired.
360
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Stockton and OceanGate
then move forward
361
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to create the final Titan hull
362
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of the same material
as the first hull,
363
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which was carbon fiber.
364
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We're offering opportunities
to go to the Titanic in 2021,
365
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,400
and we'll be out
for around four weeks,
366
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,667
leaving from St. John's,
Newfoundland,
367
00:22:59,667 --> 00:23:02,066
which is
380 nautical miles
from the Titanic,
368
00:23:02,066 --> 00:23:05,567
and we're planning to go
with our Titan submersible.
369
00:23:05,567 --> 00:23:08,166
It is the rarest of rare
to go see that.
370
00:23:08,166 --> 00:23:10,200
Fewer people
have seen the Titanic
371
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than will summit Everest
in one day.
372
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[Dawood] This arrogance
of the people in charge
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when they think
they're above everything.
374
00:23:24,900 --> 00:23:26,800
That really gets to me.
375
00:23:29,266 --> 00:23:33,200
Like, why is ego and arrogance
more important than safety?
376
00:23:35,567 --> 00:23:37,066
The irony is not lost on me
377
00:23:37,066 --> 00:23:40,500
that the Titanic sunk
for exactly the same reason.
378
00:23:40,500 --> 00:23:42,467
History repeats itself.
379
00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:03,166
[Catterson]
Stockton invited me once
to go out flying with him.
380
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,500
We were friends,
381
00:24:06,500 --> 00:24:09,266
and we were friends
that would argue,
382
00:24:09,266 --> 00:24:11,900
and sometimes I would win.
383
00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:13,500
Most of the times I didn't.
384
00:24:17,367 --> 00:24:19,567
He's got
an experimental aircraft.
385
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:21,867
"Experimental."
386
00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:25,100
But anyways,
we went out flying
387
00:24:25,100 --> 00:24:27,000
and he said,
"Do you want to fly?"
388
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,400
"Give me that thing."
389
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,767
So, you know,
I'm flying the airplane
a little bit. It's great fun.
390
00:24:35,066 --> 00:24:37,500
And then he takes it back
and says,
391
00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:40,600
"So do you want
to do a barrel roll?"
392
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,667
"Sure."
393
00:24:41,667 --> 00:24:43,967
He told me how to do it
and then I did one.
394
00:24:48,767 --> 00:24:50,867
He said,
"You know, this is great.
395
00:24:50,867 --> 00:24:54,767
"You know,
nobody else ever wants
to go and do this stuff."
396
00:24:54,767 --> 00:24:57,367
I said, "Well,
it's either going to work
or it's not going to work.
397
00:24:57,367 --> 00:24:59,166
"You know,
while we're doing it,
398
00:24:59,166 --> 00:25:02,066
it's going to be, you know,
a great fun time."
399
00:25:02,066 --> 00:25:03,800
Yeah, we could've crashed.
400
00:25:08,767 --> 00:25:12,200
Somewhere in there,
we were a kindred spirit.
401
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,166
Why I kept working with him?
I don't know.
402
00:25:15,166 --> 00:25:18,166
Because I definitely
did not say yes to him
all the time.
403
00:25:24,567 --> 00:25:27,767
My dynamic with Stockton Rush
was interesting.
404
00:25:27,767 --> 00:25:30,367
I mean, I liked Stockton.
I respected him.
405
00:25:30,367 --> 00:25:33,200
I think that he liked
and respected me as well.
406
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,700
We didn't agree on everything.
407
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,867
There we go. I bring this up.
408
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,967
The Earth
is really a water planet.
409
00:25:39,967 --> 00:25:41,600
You know,
Stockton wasn't always right,
410
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,300
but he was, like,
sure he was right.
411
00:25:43,300 --> 00:25:45,800
...clients who go
to the Titanic
412
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,967
have either been to space
or are going to space.
413
00:25:47,967 --> 00:25:51,200
[Hagen] I'm guilty of the same
hubris that Stockton had.
414
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,867
The same desire
to do great things
and to expand my horizons.
415
00:25:55,867 --> 00:25:57,900
I was raised relatively poor
416
00:25:57,900 --> 00:26:00,467
and became
relatively successful.
417
00:26:01,700 --> 00:26:06,066
I've always
been drawn to people
that were more successful.
418
00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:08,166
He was a genius,
419
00:26:08,166 --> 00:26:11,667
and he had
a very distinct vision
of what he was going to build,
420
00:26:11,667 --> 00:26:14,100
how he was going to do it
and what he was
going to achieve.
421
00:26:23,166 --> 00:26:25,967
[Stanley] It's a very small
group of people in the world
422
00:26:25,967 --> 00:26:30,000
that have done
what Stockton and I have done.
423
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,166
Made a submersible,
designed it, built it
and operated it themselves.
424
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,266
Yes, he was attempting
going deeper,
425
00:26:39,266 --> 00:26:42,166
more people,
more money involved.
426
00:26:42,166 --> 00:26:46,066
However,
looking at his finances
and experience,
427
00:26:46,066 --> 00:26:48,767
it didn't seem
so unreasonable to me.
428
00:26:50,667 --> 00:26:54,800
I mean, he was working with
tens of millions of dollars,
429
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,567
doing something
that I had done
430
00:26:56,567 --> 00:26:58,266
with tens of thousands
of dollars
431
00:26:58,266 --> 00:27:01,667
and that I had started
as a teenager
with no formal training,
432
00:27:01,667 --> 00:27:03,367
and he was
an Ivy League engineer.
433
00:27:04,767 --> 00:27:07,467
The sense of adventure
appealed to him,
434
00:27:07,467 --> 00:27:11,867
but I don't believe
he had to work for money
pretty much ever.
435
00:27:11,867 --> 00:27:15,400
His primary motivations
were more ego-driven
than financial.
436
00:27:20,066 --> 00:27:22,867
[Hagen] People accuse him
of trying to prove himself
437
00:27:22,867 --> 00:27:25,700
and live up to
his own ancestry.
438
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:27,266
And those are relevant points.
439
00:27:27,266 --> 00:27:29,467
Yeah. I mean,
his family legacy
440
00:27:29,467 --> 00:27:32,467
was really about the closest
that you could get
441
00:27:32,467 --> 00:27:35,066
to royalty
within the United States.
442
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,700
[Hagen] Stockton was a true
blue-blood patrician,
443
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:41,166
as was his wife, Wendy.
444
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,567
Her great grandparents
were the people
that owned Macy's,
445
00:27:46,567 --> 00:27:48,767
whose lives were lost
on the Titanic.
446
00:27:50,066 --> 00:27:52,400
She had
that direct connection.
447
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,734
They were of the upper crust.
448
00:27:57,166 --> 00:28:02,867
I don't think
most people can even imagine
the access that Stockton had
449
00:28:02,867 --> 00:28:06,000
to the uber elites
of the world.
450
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:12,567
Stockton's father
had been the president-elect
of the Bohemian Club,
451
00:28:12,567 --> 00:28:18,367
which owns
a multi-thousand-acre reserve
452
00:28:18,367 --> 00:28:20,867
of old growth redwood forest
453
00:28:20,867 --> 00:28:23,300
an hour
outside of San Francisco
454
00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:26,467
that they use
for their private campground.
455
00:28:28,567 --> 00:28:31,367
You have such an
accumulation of wealth,
456
00:28:31,367 --> 00:28:35,200
and there's people that want
something cool-sounding
to invest in.
457
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,667
[man] Yeah,
no, I'll get there.
458
00:28:36,667 --> 00:28:38,300
[Stanley] Stockton
pitched an idea
459
00:28:38,300 --> 00:28:40,266
at the right place
and the right time.
460
00:28:40,266 --> 00:28:43,200
[man] Apparently,
Stockton's directing this too.
461
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,266
[Stanley] People
threw money at him,
462
00:28:45,266 --> 00:28:50,000
and he felt some kind of
psychological need
463
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,467
to accomplish something
and impress these people.
464
00:28:53,467 --> 00:28:56,700
[interviewer]
What does it mean to you
to actually go to the Titanic?
465
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,567
It's a culmination
of over 11 years of work,
466
00:28:59,567 --> 00:29:02,367
and tons of time
and blood, sweat and tears.
467
00:29:02,367 --> 00:29:04,467
I'm going to be so excited
when I get down there
468
00:29:04,467 --> 00:29:06,500
and I see that bow
come into view.
469
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:10,000
Stockton wasn't necessarily
fascinated by the Titanic.
470
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,367
He was trying to improve
this technology
471
00:29:12,367 --> 00:29:14,367
and trying to take it
to a different level
472
00:29:14,367 --> 00:29:16,300
using private funding.
473
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:19,266
[interviewer]
What have you done
to make sure
474
00:29:19,266 --> 00:29:22,767
Titan can survive
a trip to Titanic?
475
00:29:22,767 --> 00:29:25,800
It's been a long process
to ensure that Titan
476
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,200
can go to the Titanic
repeatedly and safely.
477
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,000
We've refined the process
478
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,066
so that we have
extremely uniform
five-inch-thick carbon fiber.
479
00:29:35,066 --> 00:29:37,667
And with great wealth
comes great responsibility.
480
00:29:37,667 --> 00:29:40,000
And unfortunately,
it is not always the case
481
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,166
that those
who possess great wealth
behave responsibly.
482
00:29:55,066 --> 00:29:58,266
The director of engineering
at the time asked him,
483
00:29:58,266 --> 00:30:01,367
"While that's great
you want to build
with carbon fiber,
484
00:30:01,367 --> 00:30:03,600
but can we build one
out of another material?"
485
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:08,166
He pushed
and pushed and pushed,
and OceanGate said,
486
00:30:08,166 --> 00:30:09,200
"There is no debating this.
487
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,667
"It's gonna be carbon fiber."
488
00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:20,667
There are certifying agencies.
489
00:30:20,667 --> 00:30:23,266
the Pressure Vessel for
Human Occupation committee,
490
00:30:23,266 --> 00:30:26,266
the SUBSAFE program
in the Navy.
491
00:30:26,266 --> 00:30:28,467
These programs
are over the top
492
00:30:28,467 --> 00:30:30,100
in their rules
and regulations,
493
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:32,200
but they had nothing
with carbon fiber.
494
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,867
So we had to go out
and work on that.
495
00:30:34,867 --> 00:30:36,300
And one of the things
I learned is,
496
00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:37,767
you know,
when you're outside the box,
497
00:30:37,767 --> 00:30:41,200
it's really hard to tell
how far outside the box
you really are.
498
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,800
And we were
pretty far out there.
499
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,567
[applause]
500
00:30:45,567 --> 00:30:48,867
He had stated
all of the advantage
of carbon fiber,
501
00:30:48,867 --> 00:30:51,467
but never stated
any of the disadvantages
of carbon fiber.
502
00:30:52,567 --> 00:30:56,266
He felt that operations
overruled safety
503
00:30:56,266 --> 00:30:57,467
and saw classifications
504
00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:59,400
as being a waste of money
and a waste of time.
505
00:31:00,567 --> 00:31:02,066
They wanted to be innovative.
506
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,967
[Capt. Neubauer]
There's a few anomalies
that I've never seen before
507
00:31:11,967 --> 00:31:13,967
in thousands of investigations
508
00:31:13,967 --> 00:31:16,767
and thousands of incidents
that I've overseen.
509
00:31:16,767 --> 00:31:20,567
One of them was just
not registering the Titan.
510
00:31:20,567 --> 00:31:22,667
So we weren't tracking it.
511
00:31:22,667 --> 00:31:27,166
We call it "stateless,"
when a vessel doesn't have
a flag or a registration.
512
00:31:27,166 --> 00:31:29,066
[interviewer] Why would they
not register it?
513
00:31:29,066 --> 00:31:33,000
One reason to not register
is to make sure that no one,
514
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,467
from a regulatory standpoint,
is monitoring your operations.
515
00:31:35,467 --> 00:31:39,667
To operate in a manner
that you stay off the radar.
516
00:31:39,667 --> 00:31:43,000
Ultimately had jurisdiction
because it was US-built,
US-operated
517
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,667
and not flagged
by anybody else.
518
00:31:54,300 --> 00:31:55,900
-Hey!
-How are you, man?
519
00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:57,266
-Glad to meet you.
-Nice to meet you in person.
520
00:31:57,266 --> 00:31:58,200
-How are you?
-Great!
521
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,100
-Welcome to Everett.
-Thrilled to be here.
522
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:03,166
-This is not Titan,
I'm guessing.
-No, this is Suds.
523
00:32:03,166 --> 00:32:05,100
-S-U-D-S?
-S-U-D-S.
524
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,166
What is Suds?
525
00:32:06,166 --> 00:32:10,667
Suds is a a sub that I built,
partly finished,
526
00:32:10,667 --> 00:32:13,066
and dove it
the first time in 2006.
527
00:32:13,066 --> 00:32:16,000
As the host of
Expedition Unknown
on Discovery,
528
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,600
my job is to go
around the world
529
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,467
investigating great mysteries
530
00:32:19,467 --> 00:32:22,066
and to tell stories
of exploration.
531
00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:25,266
We had read about OceanGate.
They had been in the news.
532
00:32:25,266 --> 00:32:29,600
Here was this innovator
that was going to come
and break design barriers
533
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,567
and to create
a next-generation submersible
534
00:32:32,567 --> 00:32:36,166
that could take passengers
down to see Titanic.
535
00:32:36,166 --> 00:32:39,467
And we thought this would be
a great story for
Expedition Unknown.
536
00:32:39,467 --> 00:32:40,567
Okay.
537
00:32:45,667 --> 00:32:48,567
Oh, dear.
What am I looking at?
538
00:32:48,567 --> 00:32:52,567
-[Rush] These are the results
of some of our pressure tests.
-[Gates] Okay.
539
00:32:52,567 --> 00:32:54,667
-High pressure tests?
-High pressure tests.
540
00:32:54,667 --> 00:32:57,767
This is a third-scale model
of the Titan hull.
541
00:32:57,767 --> 00:32:59,500
You have
the cylindrical section
542
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:03,500
and you have the domes
that we originally thought
543
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,300
we could make
out of carbon fiber.
544
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:08,767
-So this would have been a sub
you don't want to be in.
-This is true.
545
00:33:08,767 --> 00:33:11,567
But I assume, also,
a valuable lesson, this test.
546
00:33:11,567 --> 00:33:14,000
Yes. One element
we were looking at is
547
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,667
could we predict
the failure of carbon fiber?
548
00:33:16,667 --> 00:33:20,266
So a carbon fiber sub
may work great for one dive
or ten dives or a hundred,
549
00:33:20,266 --> 00:33:23,967
but will it get soft
like the deck
of your fiberglass boat
550
00:33:23,967 --> 00:33:25,567
after somebody's been
stepping on it too much?
551
00:33:25,567 --> 00:33:27,800
-Right.
-And how do you know that
before somebody gets hurt?
552
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,967
And there's been
a bunch of work
on acoustic emissions.
553
00:33:30,967 --> 00:33:32,967
So basically we're listening
to the sound of the carbon.
554
00:33:32,967 --> 00:33:34,800
They start popping
and crackling,
555
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,567
these micro-buckling pieces.
556
00:33:36,567 --> 00:33:38,867
You know,
little air bubbles go
and fibers snap.
557
00:33:38,867 --> 00:33:41,567
And we found that
you can tell quite clearly
558
00:33:41,567 --> 00:33:44,467
way before the carbon fails
that it's going to fail.
559
00:33:44,467 --> 00:33:45,600
-Hmm.
-And that would allow--
560
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,767
-You can hear it?
-Yes.
561
00:33:46,767 --> 00:33:49,000
So If you get to 2,000 meters
562
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,166
and it's making more noise
than the last time
you went to 2,000 meters,
563
00:33:52,166 --> 00:33:54,200
you can stop
and go to the surface, say,
"We've got a problem."
564
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,266
-Right.
-Our first hull
didn't work out,
565
00:33:56,266 --> 00:33:57,867
so we made a full-scale hull.
566
00:33:57,867 --> 00:34:01,667
We tested it to 4,000 meters,
and it didn't get quieter.
567
00:34:01,667 --> 00:34:03,767
It stayed noisy.
That was not a good sign.
568
00:34:03,767 --> 00:34:05,500
So we took it to a chamber
and tested it and said,
569
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:07,200
"This hull
is not good enough."
570
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,667
So we scrapped that one
and we made a new one
and tested that,
571
00:34:09,667 --> 00:34:10,667
and it was perfect.
572
00:34:10,667 --> 00:34:13,300
Okay, so in the end,
have you cracked the code?
573
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:15,367
I think
we've cracked the code.
574
00:34:18,867 --> 00:34:20,367
-Okay. You ready?
-Yeah.
575
00:34:20,367 --> 00:34:22,467
-Brian, whenever you're ready.
-[man yells]
576
00:34:22,467 --> 00:34:24,266
-Go ahead. Lead the way.
-Okay.
577
00:34:24,266 --> 00:34:27,266
We went up in May 2021
578
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:29,266
to meet Stockton
and his team in person.
579
00:34:29,266 --> 00:34:32,100
-So, Josh, this is Titan.
-Wow.
580
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:33,700
[Gates] Stockton was going
to give myself
581
00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:37,266
and my director
of photography, Brian,
a trip in the sub
582
00:34:37,266 --> 00:34:39,467
to understand what it's like
to be in Titan
583
00:34:39,467 --> 00:34:42,800
and to talk about
where we might mount cameras
and film it
584
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,667
when we went out
into the North Atlantic.
585
00:34:44,667 --> 00:34:47,467
-[Rush] Come onboard.
-[Gates] Hi, everybody.
How are you?
586
00:34:47,467 --> 00:34:50,066
[Gates] Stockton was
a really compelling salesman,
587
00:34:50,066 --> 00:34:52,500
and that's a good way
to describe him, I think.
588
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:55,367
So, this is
the largest view port
589
00:34:55,367 --> 00:34:59,000
on any deep diving sub
in planet Earth.
590
00:34:59,900 --> 00:35:02,567
Wow, that is extraordinary.
591
00:35:02,567 --> 00:35:05,667
Stockton's answers
were reassuring, I suppose,
592
00:35:05,667 --> 00:35:07,166
but they also felt rehearsed.
593
00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:11,867
They felt like they were
the smooth answers
that you were bound to get
594
00:35:11,867 --> 00:35:14,567
as you cruised
the showroom floor
for a new car.
595
00:35:14,567 --> 00:35:17,367
Carbon fiber will be
one-third the weight
596
00:35:17,367 --> 00:35:19,867
-of a similar
titanium structure.
-[Gates] Right.
597
00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:22,867
If you look at other
deep diving subs,
they tend to be spheres
598
00:35:22,867 --> 00:35:25,066
because the shape
is the ideal shape
for pressure.
599
00:35:25,066 --> 00:35:27,867
-Right.
-A cylinder is a better shape
for actually doing something.
600
00:35:27,867 --> 00:35:31,066
This was
an experimental vehicle.
601
00:35:31,066 --> 00:35:33,066
It had never been to Titanic
at this point.
602
00:35:33,066 --> 00:35:34,066
[Rush] Hang on here.
603
00:35:34,066 --> 00:35:36,667
[Gates] We all rely
on that Spidey sense.
604
00:35:36,667 --> 00:35:38,667
We all have that little voice
that whispers to us.
605
00:35:38,667 --> 00:35:41,867
In my job, I've learned
I have to really listen
to that voice.
606
00:35:41,867 --> 00:35:44,567
Because, you know,
I dangle off a cliff
for a living
607
00:35:44,567 --> 00:35:46,000
and dive into flooded tombs.
608
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,567
I mean,
that's my day-to-day job.
609
00:35:47,567 --> 00:35:49,900
-[Rush] Come on,
get your shoes off.
-[Gates] All right.
610
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:53,166
[Gates] And that voice
started whispering to me
early on.
611
00:35:53,166 --> 00:35:55,266
-[Rush] Shoes off
and you're in.
-All right.
612
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,467
See you later.
613
00:35:57,467 --> 00:36:00,967
The way that Titan
was designed,
it had no top hatch.
614
00:36:00,967 --> 00:36:03,300
You can't interrupt
that hull with a hatch.
615
00:36:03,300 --> 00:36:06,567
The only way
to get in or out of Titan
was through the front.
616
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,567
-Thank you, sir.
-[Rush] Copy that.
617
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:13,567
[Gates] And so,
when you climbed inside of it
618
00:36:14,667 --> 00:36:16,166
and they close that door,
619
00:36:16,166 --> 00:36:18,100
they seal you in
from the outside.
620
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:20,367
Okay, the door is closed.
Now what's happening to it?
621
00:36:20,367 --> 00:36:21,500
[Rush] They're bolting it in.
622
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:22,667
[Gates] Literally
bolting it in.
623
00:36:22,667 --> 00:36:23,767
How many bolts go around it?
624
00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:25,400
-Four bolts.
-Four bolts.
625
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,667
-So... So we're in.
-You're in.
626
00:36:28,667 --> 00:36:31,600
[Gates] I mean,
the only way out of this
is if someone lets you out.
627
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,300
-[Rush] Yes.
-[Gates] We're sealed up.
628
00:36:33,300 --> 00:36:35,967
You are a prisoner.
My prisoner.
629
00:36:35,967 --> 00:36:38,166
[chuckles]
I'm happy to be here.
Happy to be serving.
630
00:36:39,367 --> 00:36:42,367
Stockton just didn't see,
even psychologically,
631
00:36:42,367 --> 00:36:45,300
the need for a way
out of this sub.
632
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,367
And so my question was,
633
00:36:47,367 --> 00:36:50,700
in your tests,
how long does it take
634
00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:53,867
for Titan to mate
with its sled
635
00:36:53,867 --> 00:36:55,600
and rise to the surface
636
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,200
and for the bolts to be undone
and passengers to get out?
637
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,700
How long does that take?
638
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:02,767
And Stockton said,
"I have no idea."
639
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,266
The only things you really
want to worry about: fire.
640
00:37:06,266 --> 00:37:07,867
-There are smoke hoods.
-[Gates] Those are where?
641
00:37:07,867 --> 00:37:10,166
On the side here.
Pull back the mat
a little bit.
642
00:37:10,166 --> 00:37:11,266
[Gates] Okay, under here?
643
00:37:11,266 --> 00:37:13,066
[Rush] Yup.
Open that compartment.
644
00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:14,967
-There's a smoke hood there.
-[Gates] Yup.
645
00:37:14,967 --> 00:37:19,000
[Rush] You open that up
and there is a packet
which you pull open
646
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,867
and you have a hood that
you put on top of your head,
and that will keep you alive.
647
00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:24,000
Got it.
648
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,600
He had never done
any emergency
docking procedures.
649
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,767
In fact, we were there in May.
650
00:37:29,767 --> 00:37:32,667
They were bringing passengers
a few months later
651
00:37:32,667 --> 00:37:34,066
for the first time
to the North Atlantic.
652
00:37:34,066 --> 00:37:36,900
This is Titan, Topside.
Topside, Titan.
653
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:38,367
[indistinct response]
654
00:37:38,367 --> 00:37:39,467
[man] There he goes.
655
00:37:39,467 --> 00:37:41,867
[Brian] It's gonna take it
pretty steep.
656
00:37:41,867 --> 00:37:43,567
This is where
it gets interesting.
657
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,100
[man 2] Yeah?
658
00:37:50,266 --> 00:37:52,467
We're settling down.
We are underwater.
659
00:37:52,467 --> 00:37:54,300
And we'll turn on our TBL.
660
00:37:54,300 --> 00:37:57,567
[Gates] We were in the sub
for hours with Stockton.
661
00:37:57,567 --> 00:38:01,166
And the dive was interesting
662
00:38:01,166 --> 00:38:03,467
in that nothing
really worked right.
663
00:38:04,667 --> 00:38:05,900
Nothing.
664
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:08,467
[Rush] I'm having trouble with
our port horizontal thruster.
665
00:38:08,467 --> 00:38:10,000
[Gates] Okay.
666
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,300
I don't know why,
because it's starboard's
that we changed.
667
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:16,967
Okay, show him that.
668
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,900
[Gates] "Aft is unlocked.
No UBT light."
669
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,400
-Got that?
-Aft is unlocked?
670
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,400
"Aft is unlocked.
No UBT light."
671
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,700
The sub
didn't really do anything
it was asked to do.
672
00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:39,567
You know,
we took it underwater,
673
00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:44,700
and then there was
just a cascade of problems
with the sub.
674
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:46,900
Now this guy will be down
at Titanic too, right?
675
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:48,400
[Rush] Yeah. Yup.
676
00:38:52,166 --> 00:38:55,467
They have
an emergency override
on the VBT
677
00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:56,967
in case we have
a software problem.
678
00:38:56,967 --> 00:38:59,200
Then there was an issue
with the software.
679
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,767
The system crashed
at one point.
680
00:39:01,767 --> 00:39:03,400
Hello. Do you copy?
681
00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:08,867
Topside, Titan.
682
00:39:10,667 --> 00:39:12,367
Motor doesn't even
seem to be moving.
683
00:39:12,367 --> 00:39:15,767
But the control program
says it's moving. No current.
684
00:39:15,767 --> 00:39:18,700
Give him an okay,
and then just say
we're going to thrust.
685
00:39:18,700 --> 00:39:19,967
Testing thrust again.
686
00:39:19,967 --> 00:39:22,266
Yeah, we don't like
when the thrusters go out.
We may just go
687
00:39:22,266 --> 00:39:23,367
back in the platform
688
00:39:23,367 --> 00:39:24,467
rather than go to the bottom.
689
00:39:24,467 --> 00:39:25,767
-[Josh] Okay.
-We're pretty much here.
690
00:39:27,467 --> 00:39:28,400
Hey, Topside.
691
00:39:30,266 --> 00:39:31,467
Topside Titan.
692
00:39:31,467 --> 00:39:33,200
[Josh] At one point,
three of the thrusters
693
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,867
weren't working, you know?
694
00:39:34,867 --> 00:39:35,767
I mean, it was...
695
00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:38,266
non-functional,
696
00:39:38,867 --> 00:39:40,000
is a good way to put it.
697
00:39:40,767 --> 00:39:43,567
And so, eventually,
it was decided
698
00:39:43,567 --> 00:39:45,600
that we had to scrub the dive
699
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,266
and bring it
back to the surface.
700
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:49,867
[Stockton] Okay, we're up.
701
00:39:49,867 --> 00:39:52,100
[woman speaking indistinctly
over radio]
702
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:53,900
Yep, everything's good.
703
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:55,367
Tell us back
whenever you're ready.
704
00:39:59,066 --> 00:40:00,367
We're gonna get
some good footage.
705
00:40:00,367 --> 00:40:01,200
Big time.
706
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,333
And this will make
a different story.
707
00:40:05,767 --> 00:40:07,767
[Josh] Stockton seemed
completely unaware
708
00:40:07,767 --> 00:40:11,000
of how bad this dive had gone
from our perspective.
709
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,700
And so on the way
back to port,
710
00:40:12,700 --> 00:40:15,166
I asked him about
his experiences
711
00:40:15,166 --> 00:40:17,000
in deeper dives on the sub.
712
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,166
How noisy is it
when it goes down,
713
00:40:20,166 --> 00:40:21,667
-you think?
-[Stockton] What?
714
00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:23,166
[Josh]
Just the general descent,
715
00:40:23,166 --> 00:40:24,200
-is it pretty quiet?
-Oh, it'll be quiet.
716
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,367
There's usually a bang,
um, somewhere...
717
00:40:27,367 --> 00:40:29,266
-Most subs have
a bang of some type.
-Mm-hmm.
718
00:40:29,266 --> 00:40:30,767
[Stockton] When I was
in the sub before,
719
00:40:30,767 --> 00:40:31,667
and it was, you know,
720
00:40:31,667 --> 00:40:32,867
I'll play you
what it sounded like
721
00:40:32,867 --> 00:40:34,867
when the carbon fiber's
collapsing around you
722
00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:37,066
and you don't have
much time left.
723
00:40:37,066 --> 00:40:38,166
This is what it sounds like.
724
00:40:38,166 --> 00:40:39,467
[Josh] And what, you just were
ascending, ascending,
725
00:40:39,467 --> 00:40:40,567
ascending at that point?
726
00:40:40,567 --> 00:40:42,467
[Stockton] No, no, I was
going down. I kept going down,
727
00:40:42,467 --> 00:40:44,500
because [chuckling] why not?
728
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:46,667
-[Josh] That was
in the first iteration.
-Yeah.
729
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,367
Once I saw that that was
730
00:40:49,367 --> 00:40:51,066
where he was willing to go
731
00:40:51,066 --> 00:40:52,467
to get this operation
732
00:40:53,166 --> 00:40:54,066
up and running,
733
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:56,667
a kind of fear set in for me
734
00:40:56,667 --> 00:40:58,000
that was so much deeper
735
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,567
than anything I experienced
while riding in the sub.
736
00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:03,967
[Stockton] I don't know
if it'll play on the speaker,
but...
737
00:41:04,467 --> 00:41:06,667
[faint clicking]
738
00:41:06,667 --> 00:41:07,967
[Stockton]
Those click sounds...
739
00:41:07,967 --> 00:41:09,467
[clicking continues]
740
00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:11,000
[Stockton]...that wasn't
a mouse clicking.
741
00:41:12,567 --> 00:41:13,667
And you could feel it.
742
00:41:13,667 --> 00:41:15,900
I was in the dome. I could
feel these things popping.
743
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:17,000
[Josh] Uh-huh.
744
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,767
[Stockton] It was...
sort of different.
745
00:41:19,767 --> 00:41:21,367
Second dive,
I put earplugs in...
746
00:41:21,367 --> 00:41:22,767
-[Josh] Right.
-[Stockton]...and it worked
much better.
747
00:41:22,767 --> 00:41:24,000
[Josh laughing]
You just ignored it.
748
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,367
-Right.
-Yeah, yeah.
749
00:41:25,367 --> 00:41:27,367
It wasn't just
a red flag for me,
750
00:41:27,367 --> 00:41:29,467
it was like
a flare had gone up.
751
00:41:29,467 --> 00:41:32,000
And here we were in 2021,
752
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,467
and I was thinking,
753
00:41:33,467 --> 00:41:37,100
"When did they go back
and test this new sub
754
00:41:37,100 --> 00:41:38,266
in the Bahamas?"
755
00:41:38,266 --> 00:41:40,667
And I couldn't quite make
the dates line up in my head.
756
00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:43,500
And so I pressed Stockton
and said, "Wait a minute,
757
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:45,100
when did you take Titan,
758
00:41:45,100 --> 00:41:47,367
this Titan, to the Bahamas?"
759
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,100
Hello.
760
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,867
Oh. We're back.
761
00:41:54,967 --> 00:41:57,800
We've had 52 dives
in the sub to date.
762
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,300
-[Josh] Test dives?
-Test dives.
763
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:01,567
[Josh] Are those dives
all here around Everett?
764
00:42:01,567 --> 00:42:02,867
No, so 52...
765
00:42:02,867 --> 00:42:04,867
We've had 52 dives
on the hull.
766
00:42:04,867 --> 00:42:06,867
Um, a lot of them at Everett,
767
00:42:06,867 --> 00:42:08,867
-and many of them
in the Bahamas.
-Okay.
768
00:42:08,867 --> 00:42:10,266
We spent a year and a half
in the Bahamas
769
00:42:10,266 --> 00:42:11,433
testing the sub.
770
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,300
[Josh] But this version
of Titan had never even been
771
00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:17,300
to the Bahamas.
772
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:20,266
The first hull had been
on 49 dives,
773
00:42:20,266 --> 00:42:22,567
but this hull, this new hull,
774
00:42:22,567 --> 00:42:25,200
was only
on its third dive ever,
775
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,367
and it had never been
down to depth.
776
00:42:28,667 --> 00:42:29,767
I suddenly realized,
777
00:42:29,767 --> 00:42:31,567
what would it mean if I made
778
00:42:31,567 --> 00:42:34,567
this kind of
promotional documentary
779
00:42:34,567 --> 00:42:36,500
about Stockton
and about OceanGate
780
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,800
that maybe inspired
other people to go
781
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,467
and take a ride in this sub...
782
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,266
and then something happened
to it?
783
00:42:44,266 --> 00:42:46,100
And so I made
the really difficult decision
784
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:48,100
to call up the president
of the network
785
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:51,100
and to fall on my sword
and say, "I'm really sorry.
786
00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:52,500
I know that money's been
spent here.
787
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:53,667
I know that this is something
788
00:42:53,667 --> 00:42:55,967
that was a big deal
for you to sign off on,
789
00:42:55,967 --> 00:42:57,367
and I appreciate
the opportunity,
790
00:42:57,367 --> 00:42:59,066
but we shouldn't do this.
791
00:42:59,467 --> 00:43:00,400
This is a mistake.
792
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,800
Something bad is
going to happen here."
793
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,400
[narrator reading]
794
00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:22,800
OceanGate Expeditions
offers you
795
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,867
the once-in-a-lifetime
opportunity
796
00:43:24,867 --> 00:43:27,266
to be a specially trained
crew member
797
00:43:27,266 --> 00:43:30,300
safely diving
to the Titanic wreckage site.
798
00:43:31,667 --> 00:43:34,467
This is not a thrill ride
for tourists.
799
00:43:34,467 --> 00:43:35,800
It's much more.
800
00:43:44,266 --> 00:43:45,266
[Josh] There's
something eternal
801
00:43:45,266 --> 00:43:47,667
about Titanic
and her passengers.
802
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,166
We know the ship is wrecked.
803
00:43:51,367 --> 00:43:53,100
We know about the lives lost.
804
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,567
We know that it's down
in the depths of the ocean,
805
00:43:55,567 --> 00:43:57,367
but it's still
kind of out there.
806
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,100
It's the ship of dreams.
It captures all of us.
807
00:44:01,100 --> 00:44:03,667
We all went to that movie.
808
00:44:03,667 --> 00:44:05,500
There's something about
the story of Titanic
809
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:07,900
that really reaches out to us.
810
00:44:10,367 --> 00:44:12,900
The Titanic, to me,
was the embodiment.
811
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:16,867
It was the crowning moment
of the Gilded Age.
812
00:44:19,266 --> 00:44:22,500
We thought that we were
leaving the past behind,
813
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:24,467
that we had created
an unsinkable ship
814
00:44:24,467 --> 00:44:26,467
of incredible speed
and opulence,
815
00:44:26,467 --> 00:44:28,166
and it sank
on its maiden voyage
816
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:31,367
and took most
of the celebrities
of the age with it.
817
00:44:31,367 --> 00:44:34,100
You know, you can't even
imagine what that was like.
818
00:44:38,266 --> 00:44:41,300
[Stockton] The Titanic is one
of the most amazing brands
819
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:42,500
in the world.
820
00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:45,567
People are so enthralled
with Titanic
821
00:44:45,567 --> 00:44:48,967
that it became a must-do dive.
822
00:44:51,367 --> 00:44:54,500
[Josh] The idea
that the very first time
823
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:56,967
that Titan was going
to visit this...
824
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,066
really deadly wreck,
825
00:45:00,066 --> 00:45:01,767
passengers were gonna
be aboard,
826
00:45:02,467 --> 00:45:03,567
was insane to me.
827
00:45:12,300 --> 00:45:14,166
[Stockton] 920 meters.
828
00:45:15,667 --> 00:45:17,900
[Alfred] Stockton did bring in
people like myself
829
00:45:17,900 --> 00:45:21,166
to help fund his perfection
of this technology,
830
00:45:21,166 --> 00:45:22,600
and that's what
this was all about.
831
00:45:23,467 --> 00:45:25,000
[man 1] We kill the thrust,
832
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,667
we are descending in a bit.
833
00:45:26,667 --> 00:45:27,867
[man 2] Yeah,
we're going down.
834
00:45:29,367 --> 00:45:30,467
[Stockton] We make sure
835
00:45:30,467 --> 00:45:32,567
that everyone who joins
an expedition understands
836
00:45:32,567 --> 00:45:34,066
this is an experimental sub.
837
00:45:34,066 --> 00:45:35,266
There are no rules
838
00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:37,300
for a carbon fiber
and titanium sub.
839
00:45:38,166 --> 00:45:39,467
People are informed
840
00:45:39,467 --> 00:45:41,200
that it's very dangerous
down there.
841
00:45:42,367 --> 00:45:44,266
We're constantly improving
the sub
842
00:45:44,266 --> 00:45:45,567
to allow us to innovate.
843
00:45:45,567 --> 00:45:46,767
But we have to be very careful
844
00:45:46,767 --> 00:45:49,000
so that you don't,
by trying to improve it,
845
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,400
create a safety problem.
846
00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:54,266
[Alfred] I do have
a higher tolerance for risk
847
00:45:54,266 --> 00:45:55,500
than the normal person,
848
00:45:55,500 --> 00:45:56,867
and so did Stockton.
849
00:45:56,867 --> 00:45:58,567
Maybe that's bravery,
850
00:45:58,567 --> 00:46:01,066
or maybe it's foolhardiness.
I'm not sure.
851
00:46:08,867 --> 00:46:11,266
[Jason] I understand
the draw to go down and see
852
00:46:11,266 --> 00:46:14,867
the underwater world
of the Titanic firsthand.
853
00:46:14,867 --> 00:46:16,900
But how do you keep
the person safe
854
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,200
who doesn't understand
submersible operations,
855
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,867
who just knows they want
to go see something unique?
856
00:46:21,867 --> 00:46:23,000
How do you prevent them
857
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,900
from taking the ultimate risk
like that?
858
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,567
Especially because it was
a commercial arrangement
859
00:46:28,567 --> 00:46:30,367
and they're paying passengers.
860
00:46:30,367 --> 00:46:32,767
That is something
the Coast Guard has
to look at.
861
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:46,867
[female panel member 1]
So to confirm,
862
00:46:46,867 --> 00:46:48,266
to become
a mission specialist,
863
00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:50,567
did you pay Oceangate
any money?
864
00:46:51,266 --> 00:46:52,567
I did.
865
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:54,166
As a mission specialist,
866
00:46:54,166 --> 00:46:56,000
were you part
of the submersible crew
867
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:57,367
or were you a passenger?
868
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,867
Well, both. I was a...
869
00:47:04,567 --> 00:47:05,867
I was a passenger
870
00:47:05,867 --> 00:47:08,467
who was given the latitude
871
00:47:08,467 --> 00:47:10,500
to participate in the mission.
872
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:23,467
I didn't do any of the,
873
00:47:23,467 --> 00:47:25,967
what I would say,
critical items,
874
00:47:25,967 --> 00:47:29,667
but certainly tighten bolts
on the dome
875
00:47:29,667 --> 00:47:31,567
and other things
that I would qualify
876
00:47:31,567 --> 00:47:33,100
as what we would say
877
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:34,667
in a slang version,
monkey work.
878
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,867
[Jason]
The term 'mission specialist'
was created by Oceangate
879
00:47:41,867 --> 00:47:43,867
to give the perception
880
00:47:43,867 --> 00:47:46,367
you know, to others
and including regulators
881
00:47:46,367 --> 00:47:50,000
that these were
really crew members,
882
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,266
when in fact they were
paying passengers.
883
00:47:54,100 --> 00:47:56,266
You can do
an operation safely,
884
00:47:56,266 --> 00:47:59,266
where you give passengers
simple duties,
885
00:47:59,266 --> 00:48:03,100
but it has to be done
with the proper oversight.
886
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:05,600
And that's what was
lacking in this case.
887
00:48:10,767 --> 00:48:14,266
Did you observe the incident
as the dome fell off?
888
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Yes, I did.
889
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,967
And did the dome slide
down the ramp?
890
00:48:21,467 --> 00:48:23,500
A short distance,
then it got stuck.
891
00:48:25,266 --> 00:48:27,200
I actually have a picture
of it on my phone.
892
00:48:31,667 --> 00:48:34,767
When
the titanium dome fell off,
893
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:37,467
there were
only four bolts in it
894
00:48:37,467 --> 00:48:38,400
and they just sheared
895
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,000
and they exploded
like bullets.
896
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,166
Suddenly the people inside
were looking out at the ocean
897
00:48:44,166 --> 00:48:44,967
down a ramp
898
00:48:44,967 --> 00:48:47,567
and obviously,
a horrifying moment.
899
00:48:53,166 --> 00:48:54,767
The thought
with the four bolts was
900
00:48:54,767 --> 00:48:56,500
simply that once you went
to depth,
901
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:58,700
I mean, you didn't need
anything to hold it on.
902
00:48:58,700 --> 00:49:00,700
The pressure was so intense
903
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:02,166
that you couldn't pry it off.
904
00:49:03,967 --> 00:49:05,467
Stockton wanted to appropriate
905
00:49:05,467 --> 00:49:09,000
any pictures or videos
of the occurrence.
906
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,767
So there was
a dedicated effort
907
00:49:10,767 --> 00:49:12,000
to hush that up.
908
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:15,300
[Jason] It was clear to me
from Mr. Hagen's testimony
909
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:17,567
that he had
a very high risk tolerance,
910
00:49:17,567 --> 00:49:19,800
and that he felt like
911
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,600
there was a possibility
912
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,767
that the worst could occur.
913
00:49:24,467 --> 00:49:26,767
[Alfred] I was okay
with accepting the risk.
914
00:49:28,066 --> 00:49:30,700
I insisted on going down
on the next mission
915
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:32,266
after the dome fell off
916
00:49:32,266 --> 00:49:34,200
because it was
the first actual descent.
917
00:49:44,367 --> 00:49:46,967
[female panel member 2]
And if you look under dive 62,
918
00:49:46,967 --> 00:49:49,100
there are
several issues listed.
919
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,100
Some are dive critical.
920
00:49:54,567 --> 00:49:55,967
[indistinct radio chatter]
921
00:49:55,967 --> 00:49:58,467
[female panel member 1]
And that was the dive
you were on, correct?
922
00:49:58,467 --> 00:49:59,867
Dive 62?
923
00:49:59,867 --> 00:50:01,266
-Yes.
-Okay.
924
00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:05,000
It states "Incident,
external hull,
925
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,400
HPA valve set
in the wrong position
926
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,266
for the dive.
927
00:50:09,266 --> 00:50:12,500
Starboard control pod failed
at 1700 meters
928
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,266
after pop sound heard.
929
00:50:15,467 --> 00:50:18,467
Two drop weights jammed
in the starboard channel.
930
00:50:18,467 --> 00:50:20,500
Number 1
and number 3 acoustic sensors
931
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:22,367
have extreme
and unusual events.
932
00:50:22,367 --> 00:50:24,000
Dome hinge
retention plate bent.
933
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,700
DVL intermittent.
934
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:30,567
External lights flickering
and tilt not functional.
935
00:50:30,567 --> 00:50:32,266
Port battery will not turn on
936
00:50:32,266 --> 00:50:35,567
and sub comes off the platform
in a rough launch."
937
00:50:37,967 --> 00:50:39,800
Did any of that cause you
any concern
938
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,967
while you were inside
the submersible at the time?
939
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,967
Well, there wasn't anything
I could do about it.
940
00:50:44,967 --> 00:50:47,000
I mean, we just had to get
back to the surface.
941
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,100
It was...
942
00:50:49,166 --> 00:50:50,767
I wasn't unduly con...
943
00:50:50,767 --> 00:50:52,567
I mean, there was
a level of concern.
944
00:50:52,567 --> 00:50:54,166
I just figured
we'd sort it out
945
00:50:54,166 --> 00:50:55,900
and return to the surface.
946
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,767
[female panel member 1]
Since you paid
to go to the Titanic,
947
00:51:07,767 --> 00:51:09,066
did you get reimbursed
948
00:51:09,066 --> 00:51:10,767
since you didn't
make it to the Titanic?
949
00:51:10,767 --> 00:51:11,767
No, I did not.
950
00:51:11,767 --> 00:51:12,667
I don't believe
951
00:51:12,667 --> 00:51:15,066
there was any provision
to be reimbursed,
952
00:51:15,066 --> 00:51:17,567
but Stockton made it clear
953
00:51:17,567 --> 00:51:20,000
that if you did not
get to the Titanic,
954
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,100
you would get
another opportunity.
955
00:51:23,100 --> 00:51:24,567
I went back the next year,
956
00:51:24,567 --> 00:51:26,600
so I had
two expeditions basically
957
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,667
for the price of one.
958
00:51:28,567 --> 00:51:29,900
Did I answer your question?
959
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:31,166
You did. Thank you.
960
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:33,767
Hi, my name is Stockton Rush.
961
00:51:33,767 --> 00:51:35,667
I'm the CEO
and founder of Oceangate.
962
00:51:35,667 --> 00:51:36,967
Let's take a look at Titan.
963
00:51:38,266 --> 00:51:39,967
So we're coming into the sub.
964
00:51:39,967 --> 00:51:42,400
This is
the only toilet available
965
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,300
on a deep diving submersible.
966
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:46,567
Best seat in the house.
You can look out the viewport.
967
00:51:46,567 --> 00:51:49,467
We put a privacy screen in,
turn up the music.
968
00:51:49,467 --> 00:51:51,467
It's very popular.
969
00:51:51,467 --> 00:51:53,667
We have
our control screen here,
970
00:51:53,667 --> 00:51:54,967
our sonar screen here.
971
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:58,867
This is the second year
we've been out to the Titanic.
972
00:51:58,867 --> 00:52:01,100
We're a completely
privately funded operation
973
00:52:01,100 --> 00:52:03,567
and we're funded by what
we call mission specialists
974
00:52:03,567 --> 00:52:04,667
who help support the mission.
975
00:52:04,667 --> 00:52:07,400
So they take quite a bit
of money to come and join us.
976
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,467
We really are focusing
on the Titanic,
977
00:52:09,467 --> 00:52:10,567
on the science around it.
978
00:52:10,567 --> 00:52:13,000
We want to document
what the wreck is like now
979
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:13,800
and also try to predict
980
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,100
what it will be like
in the future.
981
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,767
[Antonella] All my background,
other than Oceangate,
982
00:52:22,767 --> 00:52:24,200
has been in science work.
983
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,166
I love that aspect of the job.
984
00:52:26,166 --> 00:52:28,066
There's a...
985
00:52:28,066 --> 00:52:30,967
you know,
the exploration aspect
of it is certainly fun.
986
00:52:32,467 --> 00:52:34,166
I'd been contracted to be
an engineer
987
00:52:34,166 --> 00:52:35,367
in operations tech.
988
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,166
There are very few women
in this field.
989
00:52:39,166 --> 00:52:40,567
So you're already
swimming in to it
990
00:52:40,567 --> 00:52:43,266
from a place
of self-doubt, you know,
991
00:52:43,266 --> 00:52:45,767
having fought to be
taken seriously.
992
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:49,700
The moment I stepped
onto the ship,
993
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,300
I never forgot it.
994
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,500
I had to sign
the liability waiver.
995
00:52:53,500 --> 00:52:55,467
And Stockton was there,
996
00:52:55,467 --> 00:52:57,467
and to a room full of people,
997
00:52:57,467 --> 00:53:00,567
some of them who had paid him
lots of money to be there,
998
00:53:00,567 --> 00:53:01,667
all I really knew was
999
00:53:01,667 --> 00:53:03,667
a quarter million dollar
price tag.
1000
00:53:03,667 --> 00:53:05,500
He says, "The company's
registered in the Bahamas,
1001
00:53:05,500 --> 00:53:07,100
and they don't do
punitive damages,
1002
00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:08,767
so don't even bother
suing me."
1003
00:53:08,767 --> 00:53:10,667
And he says this with a laugh.
1004
00:53:10,667 --> 00:53:11,867
And I was so shocked.
I wrote it down.
1005
00:53:11,867 --> 00:53:13,000
That's a verbatim quote,
1006
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,266
because I wrote it down
right after this meeting,
1007
00:53:15,266 --> 00:53:16,367
'cause I was
1008
00:53:16,367 --> 00:53:17,600
just shocked.
1009
00:53:19,367 --> 00:53:20,567
I wasn't even aware
1010
00:53:20,567 --> 00:53:24,066
the extent of how ridiculous
1011
00:53:24,066 --> 00:53:25,867
and unsafe
their operation was.
1012
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:32,567
Even just the level
of attention to detail
1013
00:53:32,567 --> 00:53:33,900
in inspecting the sub
1014
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:35,767
or pre-diving the sub.
1015
00:53:35,767 --> 00:53:37,500
You know, I'd walk around
right before a dive
1016
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,567
and just find cables
that were loose
1017
00:53:39,567 --> 00:53:40,600
or unplugged.
1018
00:53:42,066 --> 00:53:44,600
My experience comes
from the ROV world.
1019
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,967
Remotely Operated
Underwater vehicles.
1020
00:53:46,967 --> 00:53:48,700
We wouldn't send
an ROV down like that.
1021
00:53:49,667 --> 00:53:52,500
And they don't have
people on an ROV.
1022
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:54,100
[people cheering
and talking indistinctly]
1023
00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:57,000
[Antonella] It felt like
1024
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,867
watching some really bizarre,
surrealist movie or something,
1025
00:54:00,867 --> 00:54:02,667
and I'm the only one going,
1026
00:54:02,667 --> 00:54:03,600
"This is insane, right?
1027
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:05,166
Like, is anyone else
seeing this?"
1028
00:54:05,166 --> 00:54:06,667
You know what I mean?
Sort of like,
1029
00:54:06,667 --> 00:54:08,800
what's the old, like, story?
The emperor has no clothes,
right?
1030
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,767
And only one person is
saying, "Wait a second."
1031
00:54:16,300 --> 00:54:18,600
[Josh] How does this guy keep
taking this sub down?
1032
00:54:20,867 --> 00:54:23,767
There's only so many answers
to this question.
1033
00:54:23,767 --> 00:54:24,667
Uh,
1034
00:54:24,667 --> 00:54:25,500
delusion
1035
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,667
or desperation.
1036
00:54:27,667 --> 00:54:31,200
Someone who is
so deep into this
1037
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,567
and has so many creditors
at the door
1038
00:54:33,567 --> 00:54:36,467
and has
their personal reputation
on the line
1039
00:54:36,467 --> 00:54:38,767
that they have to move forward
1040
00:54:38,767 --> 00:54:40,467
and keep forging ahead.
1041
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:45,266
And that's when you start
selling something as a product
1042
00:54:45,767 --> 00:54:47,800
that isn't a product.
1043
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:48,867
It's an experiment.
1044
00:55:09,066 --> 00:55:11,767
[Alfred] I'm constantly
reminded of the Titan
1045
00:55:11,767 --> 00:55:13,900
and my descents
to the Titanic.
1046
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,066
Anytime I see
a glorious tapestry
1047
00:55:18,066 --> 00:55:19,967
of a lightning sky,
1048
00:55:20,867 --> 00:55:22,867
you remember
that glorious morning
1049
00:55:22,867 --> 00:55:23,800
without a cloud
1050
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,200
and the first rays of sun
1051
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:27,800
brightening
the eastern horizon.
1052
00:55:28,767 --> 00:55:30,100
And you tend to think of that
1053
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:32,467
because it was
that kind of a day.
1054
00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:35,200
And it was
such a memorable day,
1055
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,967
and such
a wonderful adventure.
1056
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:54,066
All right,
good morning, everyone.
1057
00:55:55,367 --> 00:55:56,767
Headed back to the Titanic.
1058
00:55:56,767 --> 00:55:59,700
Right now, we did
vessel checks this morning.
1059
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:02,767
Uh, a couple
of very minor anomalies,
1060
00:56:02,767 --> 00:56:04,100
which is great.
1061
00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:05,367
[indistinct chatter]
1062
00:56:06,767 --> 00:56:08,266
[Antonella] It was
putting on a show.
1063
00:56:09,567 --> 00:56:11,367
It's like,
"Pay attention to this,
1064
00:56:11,367 --> 00:56:13,266
pay no attention to the man
behind the curtain.
1065
00:56:13,266 --> 00:56:14,300
We're going to talk about
1066
00:56:14,300 --> 00:56:15,867
all these different
little things."
1067
00:56:15,867 --> 00:56:17,166
No one actually notices,
1068
00:56:17,166 --> 00:56:18,166
"Wait a second.
1069
00:56:18,166 --> 00:56:20,300
Like, there's
a bigger problem here."
1070
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:27,667
[indistinct conversation]
1071
00:56:27,667 --> 00:56:29,300
[Alfred] It was one
of those moments
1072
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:31,567
where you embrace
the possibilities,
1073
00:56:31,567 --> 00:56:32,700
you embrace the unknown.
1074
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:36,166
-[man] There you go.
-[ratcheting]
1075
00:56:36,166 --> 00:56:38,667
-[woman] All right,
we're good. Ready?
-[man 1] Yeah.
1076
00:56:38,667 --> 00:56:39,600
[man 2 over radio] Roger that.
1077
00:56:41,567 --> 00:56:42,967
[man speaking indistinctly
over radio]
1078
00:56:47,266 --> 00:56:50,200
Platform tugger line
will get you in place.
1079
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,400
Titan is a go
for a dive to the Titanic.
1080
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,567
You find that in that moment
1081
00:56:54,567 --> 00:56:57,667
you're living a life
trembling with joy.
1082
00:56:57,667 --> 00:57:01,266
At that moment, that's
the essence of what I felt.
1083
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:13,100
-[man 1] Unlocked.
-[man 2] Unlocked.
1084
00:57:13,100 --> 00:57:14,266
[man 3] We're unlocked.
1085
00:57:25,467 --> 00:57:27,667
[Alfred] I remembered
how passionate we were
1086
00:57:27,667 --> 00:57:28,867
in that moment,
1087
00:57:28,867 --> 00:57:32,166
how excited I was
to see this iconic shipwreck
1088
00:57:32,166 --> 00:57:34,266
and to go deeper
than I'd ever gone before,
1089
00:57:34,266 --> 00:57:35,400
I'd ever imagined.
1090
00:57:45,266 --> 00:57:47,100
[man 1] Oh, my God,
that's it, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1091
00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:48,433
[man 2 speaks indistinctly]
1092
00:57:48,433 --> 00:57:51,000
-[man 1] Yeah.
That's it, that's it.
-[man 2 speaks indistinctly]
1093
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:52,967
[man 1 chuckling] Oh, my God,
we're pretty close here.
1094
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:55,200
We're pretty close.
1095
00:57:56,867 --> 00:57:59,100
It's a devastating thing
to look at,
1096
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:00,967
but it's also awe-inspiring.
1097
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,166
And inspirational
in some ways,
1098
00:58:05,166 --> 00:58:07,467
and deeply sobering,
1099
00:58:07,467 --> 00:58:09,867
where all these people lost
their lives,
1100
00:58:09,867 --> 00:58:11,767
but their remains are
not there.
1101
00:58:11,767 --> 00:58:13,066
Their belongings are.
1102
00:58:13,066 --> 00:58:15,100
The detritus of their lives
1103
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:17,367
and the detritus
of the tragedy
1104
00:58:17,367 --> 00:58:20,667
are broken and ridden
with bacteria
1105
00:58:20,667 --> 00:58:23,300
and scattered across the floor
of the ocean for all to see.
1106
00:58:25,066 --> 00:58:26,367
-[man 3] Above here...
-[man 4] Oh, yeah.
1107
00:58:26,367 --> 00:58:27,867
[man 3] That's the funnel
number 1.
1108
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:33,567
[man 4] And that's
where they were
1109
00:58:33,567 --> 00:58:34,767
launching the lifeboats.
1110
00:58:34,767 --> 00:58:35,867
[man 3] Yeah.
1111
00:58:36,867 --> 00:58:38,567
[somber
instrumental music playing]
1112
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,066
Right now,
we're doing three knots,
1113
00:58:57,066 --> 00:58:58,767
and we're trying
to get back to the sub.
1114
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:03,000
[Alfred] We were
ascending in the Titan.
1115
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,500
We were actually fairly close
to the surface, as I remember,
1116
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:08,100
and we heard a loud crack.
1117
00:59:13,266 --> 00:59:16,100
Which sounded like
the ship breaking apart.
1118
00:59:16,767 --> 00:59:17,767
It was very loud,
1119
00:59:17,767 --> 00:59:18,700
it was very dramatic,
1120
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:21,467
and everyone sat up,
like, "What was that?"
1121
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,266
Mmm, look at that blue.
1122
00:59:25,166 --> 00:59:26,867
[Alfred] I can see
the surface almost.
1123
00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:29,967
[man 1] That's
a pretty welcome sight.
1124
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:33,567
[Alfred] It was
certainly concerning,
1125
00:59:33,567 --> 00:59:35,967
because we didn't
understand what it was.
1126
00:59:35,967 --> 00:59:37,600
I mean, we were
close enough to the surface
1127
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,100
where I knew we were
going to come out
1128
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:41,567
and that we were
going to be okay.
1129
00:59:41,567 --> 00:59:44,367
FRC, we see them now
out of our 9 o'clock,
1130
00:59:44,367 --> 00:59:46,367
about 450 meters out.
1131
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,967
[Antonella] We spoke
1132
00:59:47,967 --> 00:59:49,500
to a member
of the Horizon Arctic crew
1133
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:51,467
about the bang that was heard,
1134
00:59:51,467 --> 00:59:53,166
'cause I was, you know,
just concerned
1135
00:59:53,166 --> 00:59:55,867
and kind of shocked
that this had happened.
1136
00:59:55,867 --> 00:59:58,100
And he told me
that he heard this bang.
1137
00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:59,000
[dull thud]
1138
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,467
[Antonella] He was
out in the Zodiac
1139
01:00:00,467 --> 01:00:02,000
waiting as the sub came up,
1140
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,367
and he was able to hear it
from the surface.
1141
01:00:04,367 --> 01:00:05,300
Um.
1142
01:00:05,300 --> 01:00:06,600
It must have been loud.
1143
01:00:08,266 --> 01:00:09,800
I was just, like, shocked.
1144
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,200
No one else really
sort of reacted,
1145
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:12,500
and then Stockton sort of
shut it down
1146
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:15,266
and, you know, just, "Oh,
we'll talk about that later."
1147
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:18,700
[Stockton]
It's an open book here.
1148
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:20,900
If you have any questions
about what's going on,
1149
01:00:20,900 --> 01:00:23,400
about carbon fiber,
problems we had,
1150
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,000
rumors of problems we had,
actual problems we had.
1151
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,867
When we got to the surface,
Scott was piloting,
1152
01:00:27,867 --> 01:00:29,700
he heard a really loud bang.
1153
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:32,500
-Um, not a soothing sound.
-[man] No.
1154
01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:33,667
Um, but on the surface,
1155
01:00:33,667 --> 01:00:37,467
and as Tym
and P.H. will attest,
1156
01:00:37,467 --> 01:00:40,567
almost every deep diving sub
makes a noise at some point.
1157
01:00:40,567 --> 01:00:42,266
You have dissimilar shapes
1158
01:00:42,266 --> 01:00:43,867
and metals that are
1159
01:00:43,867 --> 01:00:46,300
expanding due
to thermal interaction,
1160
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:48,100
due to pressure changes,
1161
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,367
and it's quite common
to have a noise.
1162
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:53,667
[Antonella]
My initial reaction was like,
1163
01:00:53,667 --> 01:00:55,400
"Hold on.
You know, you don't..."
1164
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,667
Even if you heard
your car make
that sort of noise,
1165
01:00:58,667 --> 01:00:59,867
you'd probably stop and go,
1166
01:00:59,867 --> 01:01:02,000
"Wait a second, we need to,
like, see what happened here."
1167
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:08,100
[Cmdr. Williams]
When they heard
this loud bang,
1168
01:01:08,100 --> 01:01:09,800
there should have been
all stop,
1169
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,200
do not continue,
investigate further.
1170
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:15,066
This picture here is
1171
01:01:15,066 --> 01:01:16,767
of the placements
1172
01:01:16,767 --> 01:01:19,000
of the acoustic
emission sensors
1173
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:19,867
on the Titan.
1174
01:01:22,166 --> 01:01:23,367
The purple you see here,
1175
01:01:23,367 --> 01:01:25,567
this is
the acoustic emissions,
1176
01:01:25,567 --> 01:01:26,867
basically the energy
1177
01:01:26,867 --> 01:01:29,467
or acoustic data
that was heard.
1178
01:01:29,467 --> 01:01:30,867
On Dive 80,
1179
01:01:30,867 --> 01:01:32,767
this purple line goes
all the way to the top,
1180
01:01:32,767 --> 01:01:34,600
which means
it was a loud bang.
1181
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,166
There is this huge amplitude.
1182
01:01:38,667 --> 01:01:42,767
Delamination is essentially
a parting of the carbon fiber.
1183
01:01:42,767 --> 01:01:45,066
And what we have come
to the conclusion was
1184
01:01:45,066 --> 01:01:46,500
there was a delamination
1185
01:01:47,667 --> 01:01:48,767
on Dive 80
1186
01:01:49,500 --> 01:01:53,667
upon surfacing
at 2:46 p.m. local time.
1187
01:01:58,266 --> 01:01:59,300
[Antonella] I did talk
to Phil Brooks,
1188
01:01:59,300 --> 01:02:00,567
the director of engineering.
1189
01:02:00,567 --> 01:02:01,533
He had told me,
1190
01:02:01,533 --> 01:02:03,467
"It looks like there was
movement in the hull,
1191
01:02:03,467 --> 01:02:04,567
but only a few microns."
1192
01:02:05,767 --> 01:02:07,867
But I did say to him...
1193
01:02:07,867 --> 01:02:09,667
I brought up the possibility
of delamination.
1194
01:02:09,667 --> 01:02:11,400
And I asked him,
"Are you going to keep
diving the sub?"
1195
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:12,967
And he said, "Yeah,
we'll do the next mission,
1196
01:02:12,967 --> 01:02:14,300
and then
we'll visually inspect it
1197
01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:16,266
when we get back to Seattle."
1198
01:02:17,166 --> 01:02:18,600
I was just shocked.
1199
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,467
Like, you don't need
to be a composites expert...
1200
01:02:23,367 --> 01:02:24,667
to see that and think,
1201
01:02:24,667 --> 01:02:27,000
"Okay, maybe we need
to step back
1202
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,266
and stop the operation
1203
01:02:28,266 --> 01:02:29,700
until we figure out
1204
01:02:29,700 --> 01:02:31,266
what this actually means."
1205
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,200
But of course,
as with anything
with Oceangate,
1206
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,967
the response was to just go,
1207
01:02:36,967 --> 01:02:37,800
"Oh, okay."
1208
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,700
and then just keep going.
1209
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:41,900
Stockton Rush touted
this system as,
1210
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:43,767
"It will let me know
something is happening
1211
01:02:43,767 --> 01:02:46,166
before something bad happens."
Right?
1212
01:02:46,667 --> 01:02:48,166
Their system did that.
1213
01:02:48,166 --> 01:02:49,166
Their system said
1214
01:02:49,166 --> 01:02:50,967
there has been
a fundamental change
1215
01:02:50,967 --> 01:02:52,667
in the material
of your carbon fiber,
1216
01:02:52,667 --> 01:02:54,900
and it was
no longer structurally sound
1217
01:02:54,900 --> 01:02:58,166
like it had been
prior to Dive 80.
1218
01:02:58,166 --> 01:03:02,266
Delamination at Dive 80 was
the beginning of the end.
1219
01:03:02,266 --> 01:03:04,467
And everyone that stepped
on board the Titan
1220
01:03:04,467 --> 01:03:05,500
after Dive 80
1221
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:06,767
was risking their life.
1222
01:03:17,567 --> 01:03:20,266
[Antonella] I've gone back
and forth a lot, like...
1223
01:03:20,266 --> 01:03:22,100
[sniffles]...whether I should
have done more, you know,
1224
01:03:22,100 --> 01:03:24,500
whether there's some
moral obligation to do more.
1225
01:03:28,066 --> 01:03:29,567
I felt like it was
the right thing to do
1226
01:03:29,567 --> 01:03:31,300
to share what I knew
1227
01:03:31,300 --> 01:03:33,266
and tell that part
of the story.
1228
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:35,767
So many people are watching
1229
01:03:36,467 --> 01:03:37,800
and commenting.
1230
01:03:39,166 --> 01:03:44,166
We will now hear
virtual testimony
from Ms. Antonella Wilby,
1231
01:03:44,166 --> 01:03:46,000
former Oceangate contractor.
1232
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:48,900
Ms. Wilby, can you hear us?
1233
01:03:48,900 --> 01:03:51,166
-I can.
-Thank you
for your time today,
1234
01:03:51,166 --> 01:03:52,667
Ms. Wilby. We appreciate it.
1235
01:03:54,100 --> 01:03:56,867
I was really impressed
that Ms. Wilby contacted us
1236
01:03:56,867 --> 01:03:59,767
and said "Hey, I'm willing
to go on the record"
1237
01:03:59,767 --> 01:04:02,867
in a very high profile setting
1238
01:04:02,867 --> 01:04:05,600
and gave us some
really critical testimony.
1239
01:04:07,066 --> 01:04:08,100
So as I understand it,
1240
01:04:08,100 --> 01:04:09,300
you were present
1241
01:04:09,300 --> 01:04:13,567
during dive 80
on July 15th, 2022,
1242
01:04:13,567 --> 01:04:16,066
where a loud bang was heard
upon surfacing.
1243
01:04:16,066 --> 01:04:17,100
Am I correct?
1244
01:04:17,867 --> 01:04:19,000
Yes.
1245
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,567
Can you please
tell me in detail
1246
01:04:21,567 --> 01:04:24,000
about what you know
about that dive?
1247
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,467
[Antonella] Um,
1248
01:04:25,467 --> 01:04:29,100
I wanted to say something
before the next dive
1249
01:04:29,100 --> 01:04:30,900
because they were going
to be diving the sub
1250
01:04:31,467 --> 01:04:32,600
a couple days later.
1251
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:35,567
I went to Amber Bay,
1252
01:04:35,567 --> 01:04:38,266
the director
of administration.
1253
01:04:38,266 --> 01:04:40,000
The culture is
sort of, you know,
1254
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,667
anyone who has
a legitimate safety concern
1255
01:04:42,667 --> 01:04:44,300
should feel free
to raise that concern
1256
01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:45,667
without fear of retribution.
1257
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:53,266
I initially went to Amber Bay.
1258
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:57,000
And I told her
I was really concerned
1259
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,300
that they were going
to continue diving the sub.
1260
01:04:59,300 --> 01:05:00,900
Her initial response was,
1261
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:03,467
"Yes, people are
concerned about you too.
1262
01:05:03,467 --> 01:05:04,900
You don't have
an explorer mindset."
1263
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:07,300
And, like, that's not
the mindset, you know.
1264
01:05:07,300 --> 01:05:08,600
Talking about
explorer mindset, like,
1265
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:11,100
this is not a mindset
that you should have
for doing anything.
1266
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,367
[Stockton] It's a very
participatory sub.
1267
01:05:14,367 --> 01:05:15,967
Often you'll be sitting there,
and he'll back in.
1268
01:05:15,967 --> 01:05:17,600
And he'll say,
"Everybody in the dome."
1269
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:18,800
And so you all
pile in the dome,
1270
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,800
and that brings the nose down
so he can slam it in there.
1271
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:21,867
[Wilby] It was all about
1272
01:05:21,867 --> 01:05:24,500
I wasn't capable
of working with them
1273
01:05:24,500 --> 01:05:27,000
because they were
too innovative.
1274
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,367
And not at all listening
to, like, what I was trying
to explain,
1275
01:05:30,367 --> 01:05:32,300
that, you know,
there's a lot of evidence
1276
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:34,400
that something has
gone really wrong here.
1277
01:05:45,367 --> 01:05:48,066
[Stockton] All stations
are reporting the launch
as a go.
1278
01:05:48,066 --> 01:05:49,100
Please stand by.
1279
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,600
It's two-and-a-half
miles down,
1280
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,000
and it's difficult.
1281
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,300
That's why
no one else does it.
1282
01:06:02,266 --> 01:06:04,367
[Williams] After dive 80,
every single time
1283
01:06:04,367 --> 01:06:06,467
you would go down to depth,
1284
01:06:06,467 --> 01:06:08,567
you were further
damaging that hull.
1285
01:06:08,567 --> 01:06:11,567
Eventually, something bad
was going to happen.
1286
01:06:13,567 --> 01:06:16,767
[man] The bottom should be
within a couple of meters.
1287
01:06:17,667 --> 01:06:20,500
-All right.
-[people applauding]
1288
01:06:20,500 --> 01:06:22,467
[Stockton] Right now,
they will cruise around
the bow,
1289
01:06:22,467 --> 01:06:24,900
and they'll spend
about two hours on that,
and then they'll come up.
1290
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:26,900
It'll take about
two-and-a-half hours
to get it to the surface.
1291
01:06:26,900 --> 01:06:28,266
[man on radio]
Okay, all hands.
1292
01:06:28,266 --> 01:06:30,066
Sounds like we're go
for the dive.
1293
01:06:30,066 --> 01:06:32,500
Next stop, Titanic.
1294
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:35,467
[Gates]
There is a real symmetry
between Titan and Titanic.
1295
01:06:35,467 --> 01:06:37,100
That is wild.
1296
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:38,367
[man] That is nice, yep.
1297
01:06:38,367 --> 01:06:42,500
Naming your submarine Titan
is maybe a first clue
1298
01:06:42,500 --> 01:06:45,100
in some of the failings
and some of the hubris
1299
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:47,200
that ultimately led
to what happened.
1300
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,600
Titan reports on bottom.
1301
01:06:50,567 --> 01:06:53,567
-[all cheering]
-None of it broke out.
1302
01:06:56,767 --> 01:06:58,967
[Stockton speaking]
1303
01:07:29,500 --> 01:07:32,867
[Stanley]
There's no possible way
that Stockton didn't know
1304
01:07:32,867 --> 01:07:34,567
how this was
going to end,
1305
01:07:34,567 --> 01:07:36,266
and they just
carried on anyway.
1306
01:07:37,967 --> 01:07:41,066
I think he painted
himself in a corner.
1307
01:07:41,066 --> 01:07:42,467
He didn't have a good out.
1308
01:07:42,467 --> 01:07:46,266
And if he admits
defeat and failure,
1309
01:07:46,266 --> 01:07:50,100
and then has to
tell this to the people
1310
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:52,000
that had given him
so much money,
1311
01:07:53,166 --> 01:07:55,266
like, what's the rest
of his life look like?
1312
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,967
These guys, I--
I set up for the dome.
1313
01:07:58,967 --> 01:08:00,667
The hull itself,
you're not going
to hurt the hull.
1314
01:08:00,667 --> 01:08:02,667
From the standpoint
of passenger safety,
1315
01:08:02,667 --> 01:08:04,266
you're going to be alive
because the hull--
1316
01:08:04,266 --> 01:08:05,467
Nothing is
breaching the hull.
1317
01:08:05,467 --> 01:08:07,500
It's the safest spot
on the entire planet.
1318
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:11,200
He wasn't necessarily
set on murder-suicide
at that point,
1319
01:08:12,567 --> 01:08:15,667
but he had given up
hope on the project
1320
01:08:15,667 --> 01:08:18,000
coming to fruition
the way he had promised.
1321
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:22,166
And then it was
just a matter of
1322
01:08:22,166 --> 01:08:24,767
is it going to fail
with me in it,
1323
01:08:24,767 --> 01:08:28,300
or with other people,
or how--
1324
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:29,500
How is it going to fail?
1325
01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:33,567
But it was obvious
that it was going
to fail in some way.
1326
01:08:38,166 --> 01:08:39,467
[Wilby]
I left after two weeks.
1327
01:08:39,467 --> 01:08:42,100
They offered to send me home,
and I said yes.
1328
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:42,900
You know,
no one even looked at me.
1329
01:08:42,900 --> 01:08:44,300
Like, I just grabbed
my duffel bag
1330
01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:45,567
and walked off the ship.
1331
01:08:45,567 --> 01:08:46,967
And, like, people were--
1332
01:08:46,967 --> 01:08:48,600
Wouldn't make
eye contact with me.
1333
01:08:50,166 --> 01:08:53,300
It's just added
another feeling
of just feeling bad.
1334
01:08:53,300 --> 01:08:55,166
Like you've somehow done
something horribly wrong.
1335
01:08:55,166 --> 01:08:59,467
Like you're the evil,
terrible person that people
won't even like.
1336
01:08:59,467 --> 01:09:00,300
Look at you.
1337
01:09:15,066 --> 01:09:17,567
[reporter 1]
We continue to track
some of the coldest air
1338
01:09:17,567 --> 01:09:20,667
so far in years
felt across eastern Canada.
1339
01:09:20,667 --> 01:09:22,266
It pushes into
the maritime provinces...
1340
01:09:22,266 --> 01:09:24,567
[reporter 2] Central
and eastern Canada
is in the grips
1341
01:09:24,567 --> 01:09:26,800
of a polar vortex
right now.
1342
01:09:29,266 --> 01:09:31,567
Everything was
conspiring against the sub.
1343
01:09:33,667 --> 01:09:36,066
When they would
take it back and store it,
1344
01:09:38,100 --> 01:09:39,767
it was left out
in the elements.
1345
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,667
Once it started getting
into freezing weather,
1346
01:09:54,667 --> 01:09:57,467
the water would
then start to expand
1347
01:09:57,467 --> 01:09:59,767
and try prizing the--
1348
01:09:59,767 --> 01:10:03,900
The hull away from
the titanium ring.
1349
01:10:03,900 --> 01:10:07,467
And each time,
the water would go through
freezing cycles.
1350
01:10:07,467 --> 01:10:10,400
It's like ice
breaking up rocks.
1351
01:10:12,066 --> 01:10:14,467
[Gates] You're not going
to tell them it was left out
all winter in the cold.
1352
01:10:14,467 --> 01:10:17,467
You're not going to tell them
about previous sounds
1353
01:10:17,467 --> 01:10:19,266
and cracking
from inside the hull.
1354
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,767
They didn't treat
the Titan hull with respect.
1355
01:10:22,767 --> 01:10:23,967
And that was
your moneymaker.
1356
01:10:28,867 --> 01:10:30,467
[Stockton]
It's an open book here.
1357
01:10:30,467 --> 01:10:33,367
Do you have any questions
about what's going on about,
uh, acoustic monitoring,
1358
01:10:33,367 --> 01:10:36,266
about, uh, carbon fiber
problems we had,
1359
01:10:36,266 --> 01:10:37,500
rumors of problems we had.
1360
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:40,000
We want everyone going
into this fully informed
1361
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,800
this is an experimental sub.
1362
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:43,266
This is
a dangerous environment.
1363
01:10:43,266 --> 01:10:46,800
Almost every deep-diving sub
makes a noise at some point.
1364
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,767
You have these
similar shakes...
1365
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:56,700
[Gates] My suspicion
is that Stockton had
1366
01:10:56,700 --> 01:10:59,900
enormous financial
pressure to keep going,
1367
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:03,767
and that's when
bad things happened.
1368
01:11:04,667 --> 01:11:05,834
[man 1 on radio] Go ahead.
1369
01:11:05,834 --> 01:11:09,200
[man 2]
Yeah, I need to stay
alongside of this water.
1370
01:11:11,667 --> 01:11:14,767
[man 3] When I woke up,
I was like, "Oh, God, no."
1371
01:11:16,066 --> 01:11:19,000
[Catterson] There was
a risk that something
could go wrong...
1372
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,100
[man on radio]
Topside stage,
1373
01:11:20,100 --> 01:11:22,000
diver one and diver two
heading to surface.
1374
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:25,767
...which is why
I always kept coming back
as safety diver.
1375
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:28,934
It's a choice.
1376
01:11:28,934 --> 01:11:34,700
It's either to make
yourself available to help
if you're needed or not.
1377
01:11:41,667 --> 01:11:46,567
On the 18th, it was
a perfect day for diving.
1378
01:11:48,266 --> 01:11:51,166
The sun came out,
the skies were blue,
1379
01:11:51,166 --> 01:11:53,767
the seas were calm,
the wind was down.
1380
01:11:55,767 --> 01:11:57,900
What was your
responsibility on that day?
1381
01:11:57,900 --> 01:11:59,667
I was running
the platform again.
1382
01:12:00,867 --> 01:12:04,400
Basically, I did
all the dive checks
for the platform.
1383
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:07,467
Stockton was the pilot.
1384
01:12:07,467 --> 01:12:10,166
He was doing
all the internal checks.
1385
01:12:10,166 --> 01:12:13,066
He's like,
"This is great!
This is great!"
1386
01:12:14,367 --> 01:12:15,667
We get to dive.
1387
01:12:18,066 --> 01:12:20,500
Did you have
any communications
with the passengers
1388
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:22,467
after they had come out
to the submersible?
1389
01:12:22,467 --> 01:12:25,100
-They'd come out
on another dinghy...
-[Whalen] Mm-hm.
1390
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:27,467
...and they get out.
1391
01:12:27,467 --> 01:12:29,834
And then
they got into the sub.
1392
01:12:32,266 --> 01:12:34,667
[Hagen] Anyone
that went down in it,
1393
01:12:34,667 --> 01:12:36,600
whatever
their motivations,
1394
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,100
should have understood
how risky it was.
1395
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,000
They were either
embracing that reality
1396
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:44,333
or they were delusional.
1397
01:12:45,867 --> 01:12:48,000
The one person
that should not have
been on the Titan
1398
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:49,800
was the teenage son.
1399
01:12:55,367 --> 01:12:58,967
Suleman was close
to the last to going in.
1400
01:12:58,967 --> 01:13:01,867
And when he came up,
I grabbed him by the--
1401
01:13:01,867 --> 01:13:04,500
The back of his--
His flotation device.
1402
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:06,266
You know,
pull him and make sure
1403
01:13:06,266 --> 01:13:09,100
he's not gonna, you know,
go sliding off into the water.
1404
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:10,266
And...
1405
01:13:11,767 --> 01:13:13,300
I helped him get in.
1406
01:13:13,300 --> 01:13:16,867
I helped him
get into the sub,
1407
01:13:16,867 --> 01:13:19,367
and then I said,
"Have a good dive."
1408
01:13:37,266 --> 01:13:38,967
[man] At 9:14 a.m. local,
1409
01:13:38,967 --> 01:13:41,567
according to
the Polar Prince deck log,
1410
01:13:41,567 --> 01:13:45,500
the Titan disengaged,
maneuvered away
1411
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:48,900
and proceeded to dive
with five persons aboard.
1412
01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:02,266
The Polar Prince received
a ping from the Titan
1413
01:14:02,266 --> 01:14:06,200
approximately every
five to ten seconds.
1414
01:14:10,066 --> 01:14:12,000
They're going down
to see the Titanic.
1415
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,767
You have this young boy,
you know, who's excited.
1416
01:14:16,767 --> 01:14:19,100
His dad
is excited for him.
1417
01:14:19,100 --> 01:14:23,000
These are the flashes
going through your mind.
1418
01:14:28,667 --> 01:14:31,900
The quiet, right?
The moments before.
1419
01:14:32,967 --> 01:14:34,500
What questions,
1420
01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:36,266
what conversations
were they having?
1421
01:15:03,867 --> 01:15:05,467
[man]
Communications continued
1422
01:15:05,467 --> 01:15:06,867
throughout the descent.
1423
01:15:06,867 --> 01:15:09,900
There were no transmissions
which indicated trouble
1424
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:12,767
or an emergency
aboard the Titan.
1425
01:15:12,767 --> 01:15:16,467
At 10:47:27 a.m. local,
1426
01:15:16,467 --> 01:15:20,867
the Titan messaged,
"Dropped two wts."
1427
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:26,166
At 10:47:33 a.m. local,
1428
01:15:26,166 --> 01:15:29,100
the Titan was pinged
for the final time.
1429
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:35,200
The depth of the Titan
was 3,346 meters.
1430
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:56,600
[Whalen] Okay, so what
you're going to see
1431
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,767
is Miss Rush,
uh, as she is the--
1432
01:15:59,767 --> 01:16:01,000
On the comms and tracker.
1433
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,100
-[Neubauer] She leads
that team, right?
-[Whalen] Yes.
1434
01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:07,367
-You will hear a noise that
is external to the ship.
-Okay.
1435
01:16:07,367 --> 01:16:09,367
Or external to the room,
I should say.
1436
01:16:09,367 --> 01:16:11,867
-And you will see their
reaction to the noise.
-Okay.
1437
01:16:11,867 --> 01:16:14,300
-And then we'll
rewind and go again.
-Right.
1438
01:16:14,300 --> 01:16:15,767
How many meters to go?
1439
01:16:16,767 --> 01:16:17,700
Um...
1440
01:16:22,166 --> 01:16:23,300
[thud over comms]
1441
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,467
[Whalen]
So at that point, she said,
"What was that bang?"
1442
01:16:31,467 --> 01:16:32,400
[Neubauer] Yeah.
"What was that bang?"
1443
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,867
Is this
max volume right now?
1444
01:16:33,867 --> 01:16:35,166
[Whalen] It is
max volume for this.
1445
01:16:35,166 --> 01:16:37,266
I'm gonna back up
and play it one more time.
1446
01:16:37,266 --> 01:16:39,266
It sounds like
a door slamming.
1447
01:16:41,166 --> 01:16:44,200
Approximately in five seconds,
you will hear the bang.
1448
01:16:44,567 --> 01:16:45,467
[Wendy] Um...
1449
01:16:49,567 --> 01:16:50,967
[thud over comms]
1450
01:16:51,467 --> 01:16:53,400
Yeah.
1451
01:16:55,867 --> 01:16:57,867
Now, next, she's going
to look at the computer,
1452
01:16:57,867 --> 01:16:59,767
and she says,
"Dropped two weights."
1453
01:16:59,767 --> 01:17:04,200
Dropped two weights
was the last message
from the Titan.
1454
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:05,433
[Neubauer] Right.
1455
01:17:05,433 --> 01:17:09,066
The message actually comes in
after they heard the noise of
1456
01:17:09,066 --> 01:17:11,300
what could possibly have
been the implosion noise.
1457
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:12,667
Right. Okay.
1458
01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:22,767
It appears that she thinks
something happened,
1459
01:17:22,767 --> 01:17:25,800
or she senses something,
and then the relief
1460
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:27,300
once she sees
"Dropped two weights."
1461
01:17:27,300 --> 01:17:29,200
Agreed.
1462
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,667
[Whalen] What we believe
is the implosion sound
came first,
1463
01:17:32,667 --> 01:17:36,166
before the computer message
of "dropped two weights."
1464
01:17:36,166 --> 01:17:38,000
Based upon the speed
of actual sound.
1465
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:41,100
Sound travels
through the water column
1466
01:17:41,100 --> 01:17:43,500
-at 1,500 meters per second.
-[Neubauer] Right.
1467
01:17:43,500 --> 01:17:46,867
And so they were at 3,346
meters below the surface,
1468
01:17:46,867 --> 01:17:48,500
so that would have been,
like, two-and-a-half seconds.
1469
01:17:48,500 --> 01:17:51,800
Dropped two weights
is the last thing
that they stated.
1470
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:56,467
-Within five seconds is when
we lost comms and tracking.
-[Neubauer] Yeah. Okay.
1471
01:17:57,700 --> 01:17:59,467
Gotta show
some other folks.
1472
01:17:59,467 --> 01:18:00,867
That is--
1473
01:18:00,867 --> 01:18:04,767
I mean, you figured,
the fatal moment, you know,
for all of them.
1474
01:18:04,767 --> 01:18:05,767
[Whalen] Mm-hm.
1475
01:18:08,166 --> 01:18:09,667
It is.
It's very sobering.
1476
01:18:21,667 --> 01:18:23,867
[Jamie Frederick]
At 5:40 p.m.,
we received a call.
1477
01:18:23,867 --> 01:18:26,166
A report of
an overdue submersible
1478
01:18:26,166 --> 01:18:28,266
at the site of the Titanic.
1479
01:18:28,266 --> 01:18:30,767
We happened to have
the United States Coast Guard
1480
01:18:30,767 --> 01:18:33,066
C-130 on deck
in St. John's.
1481
01:18:33,867 --> 01:18:35,166
And, ironically,
that aircraft
1482
01:18:35,166 --> 01:18:37,900
was on deck in St. John's
because they were conducting
1483
01:18:37,900 --> 01:18:40,000
an international
ice patrol mission,
1484
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,367
which is something
the Coast Guard does
1485
01:18:41,367 --> 01:18:44,100
as a result of the
sinking of the Titanic.
1486
01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:52,300
[reporter]
The Canadian Coast Guard,
1487
01:18:52,300 --> 01:18:54,266
they have new ships
that have just arrived
on scene.
1488
01:18:54,266 --> 01:18:55,867
The Horizon Arctic,
1489
01:18:55,867 --> 01:18:58,867
a ship that can drop
a remotely-operated vehicle.
1490
01:18:58,867 --> 01:19:01,767
If they find that sub,
they've got a huge challenge
1491
01:19:01,767 --> 01:19:03,867
lifting it up
out of the water,
1492
01:19:03,867 --> 01:19:07,033
maybe from a depth
of two-and-a-half miles.
1493
01:19:09,500 --> 01:19:15,100
There's no other explanation
for losing comms and tracking
1494
01:19:15,100 --> 01:19:16,900
when they weren't yet
at the bottom,
1495
01:19:16,900 --> 01:19:18,100
other than implosion.
1496
01:19:19,767 --> 01:19:21,700
They found what
they were looking for.
1497
01:19:21,700 --> 01:19:24,900
It was no longer
a search and rescue,
but a recovery.
1498
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:33,200
They found debris.
1499
01:19:41,266 --> 01:19:47,100
Stockton would have understood
the reality of an implosion
1500
01:19:47,100 --> 01:19:49,800
being instantaneous
and painless.
1501
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,300
You're talking about
something happening
1502
01:19:52,300 --> 01:19:54,367
in a fraction of a second,
1503
01:19:54,367 --> 01:19:57,767
where you're
exposed to temperatures
hotter than the sun
1504
01:19:57,767 --> 01:20:03,100
and pressures more than double
what's inside a scuba tank.
1505
01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:04,166
So they--
1506
01:20:04,166 --> 01:20:06,667
You know,
they didn't feel a single--
1507
01:20:06,667 --> 01:20:09,567
It's basically the perfect,
painless way to die.
1508
01:20:14,500 --> 01:20:17,100
[Catterson] This was
a moment in time
1509
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:20,367
when their sub was there,
and then it was not.
1510
01:20:27,066 --> 01:20:30,266
[Dawood] I lost two people
who are important in my life.
1511
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:38,467
I would never want
anybody to go through
that pain. [sniffles]
1512
01:20:59,266 --> 01:21:02,867
So here is a picture
of the aft dome that came up.
1513
01:21:02,867 --> 01:21:04,066
It is filled with water.
1514
01:21:04,066 --> 01:21:06,300
And then
we emptied the water,
1515
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:09,200
and then we started to go
through some of the debris.
1516
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,200
This is what
the sludge looked like
1517
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,200
once you got rid
of the water.
1518
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,100
So a lot of this is just
carbon fiber or fiberglass.
1519
01:21:17,100 --> 01:21:18,667
You know, electronic parts.
1520
01:21:18,667 --> 01:21:21,066
I mean, really,
it turned into sludge.
1521
01:21:22,700 --> 01:21:27,166
[Steele] Let's just
consider the end cap to be
a bowl, a mixing bowl.
1522
01:21:27,166 --> 01:21:30,367
Items that were inside
of the Titan at the time
1523
01:21:30,367 --> 01:21:34,166
now become encased
inside of the end cap.
1524
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,467
We were all just, kind of,
getting all hands in
1525
01:21:37,467 --> 01:21:40,100
and separating
what needed to be considered
1526
01:21:40,100 --> 01:21:41,667
as, uh, human remains
1527
01:21:41,667 --> 01:21:45,333
and what was just
other wreckage pieces.
1528
01:21:47,767 --> 01:21:51,100
So as we were pulling apart,
that's how we realized
what it was,
1529
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:53,367
Mr. Rush's, uh, clothing.
1530
01:21:53,367 --> 01:21:56,867
It was actually
caked inside of sand.
1531
01:21:58,467 --> 01:22:02,567
It was
the piece of his sleeve,
uh, that had survived.
1532
01:22:02,567 --> 01:22:03,767
No, not the whole suit.
1533
01:22:03,767 --> 01:22:07,166
Um, just that end
inside of the sleeve of it
1534
01:22:07,166 --> 01:22:11,700
was ink pen,
business cards
1535
01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:15,700
and stickers
for the Titanic.
1536
01:22:16,767 --> 01:22:20,266
And there was
nothing else but that.
1537
01:22:20,266 --> 01:22:21,367
But each one of
those pieces,
1538
01:22:21,367 --> 01:22:24,166
even the pen,
was still intact.
1539
01:22:24,166 --> 01:22:25,867
It hadn't been broken.
1540
01:22:25,867 --> 01:22:27,400
All of this debris,
1541
01:22:28,367 --> 01:22:29,500
all of these
things shattered,
1542
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:31,300
but his pen
was still intact.
1543
01:22:39,567 --> 01:22:42,600
[Williams]
Everyone wants to know
what happened to Titan.
1544
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,767
Could it have
been prevented?
1545
01:22:44,767 --> 01:22:47,166
I think it's important
for the public to hear
the truth.
1546
01:22:48,266 --> 01:22:50,166
The whole world
is interested in that.
1547
01:22:51,467 --> 01:22:54,166
[Neubauer] The testimony
gathered has been critical,
1548
01:22:54,166 --> 01:22:56,000
but there is still
more work to be done.
1549
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,767
And our final report
will be essential in shaping
future safety standards.
1550
01:23:00,767 --> 01:23:03,867
I'm now ready
to take your questions.
1551
01:23:03,867 --> 01:23:05,500
Anne Emerson, Channel 4.
1552
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:09,567
Do you believe you have
enough to recommend
criminal charges?
1553
01:23:09,567 --> 01:23:13,100
And if so, who are you
looking at charging?
1554
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,467
[Dawood] I think
I will never be the same.
1555
01:23:30,734 --> 01:23:35,667
I don't think that anybody
who goes through loss and--
1556
01:23:35,667 --> 01:23:38,300
And such a trauma
can ever be the same.
1557
01:23:39,967 --> 01:23:44,800
One of the most important
things that came out for me
1558
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,467
was when the Coast Guard
1559
01:23:47,467 --> 01:23:51,166
also assured us
as a family that
1560
01:23:53,166 --> 01:23:55,100
we couldn't have known.
1561
01:23:55,100 --> 01:23:56,500
For me, that was...
1562
01:23:58,500 --> 01:24:01,467
yeah, I guess
the most important,
1563
01:24:02,667 --> 01:24:05,867
um, reassurance
they could have given me.
1564
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:15,667
[Catterson]
My belief with the dead
is just leave them alone.
1565
01:24:15,667 --> 01:24:17,000
The same goes for Stockton.
1566
01:24:18,266 --> 01:24:19,300
[scoffs]
1567
01:24:19,300 --> 01:24:20,367
I wish he was
here right now,
1568
01:24:20,367 --> 01:24:22,166
and I would smack
him one, you know.
1569
01:24:22,166 --> 01:24:23,367
Um...
1570
01:24:24,467 --> 01:24:25,467
[sighs]
1571
01:24:25,467 --> 01:24:29,100
[stammering]
It does no good to--
1572
01:24:29,100 --> 01:24:31,567
To speak ill of the dead.
You know, it's...
1573
01:24:34,867 --> 01:24:36,667
[Steele]
Those days searching,
1574
01:24:36,667 --> 01:24:39,000
I was hoping
that the outcome
1575
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,600
was not going
to be what it was.
1576
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,100
You know,
laws are written in blood,
1577
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:45,667
you know, regulations
are written in blood.
1578
01:24:45,667 --> 01:24:47,000
That's the saying
in the Coast Guard.
1579
01:24:48,900 --> 01:24:50,367
We needed
to provide closure.
1580
01:24:51,767 --> 01:24:54,066
We needed to provide closure
to those families.
1581
01:25:17,166 --> 01:25:21,000
OceanGate gave this idea
that they were safe.
1582
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,867
But when you look
at all of the things
1583
01:25:22,867 --> 01:25:25,767
that OceanGate
bypassed and didn't do,
1584
01:25:25,767 --> 01:25:27,400
safety was
not their priority,
1585
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,066
it was monetary gain.
1586
01:25:29,900 --> 01:25:32,500
For me,
a submersible is way riskier
1587
01:25:32,500 --> 01:25:35,266
than other
vessel operations.
1588
01:25:35,266 --> 01:25:38,734
So why are we giving them less
stringent safety requirements?
1589
01:25:38,734 --> 01:25:39,934
It just doesn't make sense.
1590
01:25:39,934 --> 01:25:42,400
We've, of course, talked about
some of the recommendations.
1591
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,567
The most important one
to me is--
1592
01:25:44,567 --> 01:25:46,600
Is changing how we handle
1593
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,500
any US passenger submersible
in our naval waters.
1594
01:25:52,967 --> 01:25:58,000
If you want to be an explorer,
an inventor, an innovator,
1595
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,266
that's awesome, you know.
1596
01:26:00,266 --> 01:26:01,200
Knock yourself out.
1597
01:26:02,867 --> 01:26:07,300
But when you start
inviting the public,
1598
01:26:07,300 --> 01:26:12,100
when you bring a kid into
this thing you've invented,
1599
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:16,166
you have a responsibility
at that point to be
totally forthright
1600
01:26:16,166 --> 01:26:20,100
about what it is
that you're offering.
1601
01:26:24,066 --> 01:26:27,734
[Stanley] When people
are doing things like
spending $250,000
1602
01:26:27,734 --> 01:26:31,667
in a death tube
that wasn't tested,
1603
01:26:31,667 --> 01:26:34,266
controlled
by a game controller
1604
01:26:34,266 --> 01:26:35,900
by a guy that's telling you
1605
01:26:37,767 --> 01:26:40,467
how he wants to be remembered
for breaking rules,
1606
01:26:41,900 --> 01:26:45,266
it's a message
to the super wealthy,
1607
01:26:45,266 --> 01:26:47,166
the oligarchy, if you will,
1608
01:26:47,166 --> 01:26:49,667
that your money
can't buy everything.
1609
01:26:49,667 --> 01:26:50,967
[Whalen] He was arrogant.
1610
01:26:50,967 --> 01:26:53,667
He felt that his way
was the only way
and the best way.
1611
01:26:53,667 --> 01:26:55,900
And, I mean, I don't know
why he felt that way,
but he did.
1612
01:26:55,900 --> 01:26:58,367
And, um--
1613
01:26:58,367 --> 01:27:01,266
-[Williams] Five people
perished because of it.
-You know, it's-- Mm.
1614
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,800
[Williams] There were
so many opportunities
1615
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,100
for Stockton to stop this
operation from happening,
1616
01:27:07,100 --> 01:27:11,100
and he always chose
to continue the operation,
1617
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:14,800
instead of thinking about it
from a safety perspective.
1618
01:27:17,266 --> 01:27:21,200
With regards to the actions
and the inactions of Mr. Rush,
1619
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:25,367
continued, um, failures
to properly, um,
inspect the hull,
1620
01:27:25,367 --> 01:27:26,567
failures to--
1621
01:27:26,567 --> 01:27:29,467
To properly,
um, identify risks
1622
01:27:29,467 --> 01:27:30,767
and risk mismanagement.
1623
01:27:30,767 --> 01:27:32,667
So many steps
and so many failures
1624
01:27:32,667 --> 01:27:34,166
that got to
where this is at.
1625
01:27:34,166 --> 01:27:37,266
So really, what we have here
is not an accident.
1626
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,400
It's a potential crime.
1627
01:27:43,867 --> 01:27:45,166
-[Whalen] Yes, sir.
-[Williams] Yes.
1628
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:47,934
Okay.
1629
01:27:47,934 --> 01:27:49,266
[Whalen] He knew
the risks he was taking
1630
01:27:49,266 --> 01:27:52,367
with carbon-fiber hull
and with the Titan.
1631
01:27:52,367 --> 01:27:55,600
But he didn't tell
anybody else about
those risks
1632
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:56,900
because he had
to make the money.
1633
01:27:58,367 --> 01:28:00,166
It's inescapable.
1634
01:28:00,166 --> 01:28:04,934
There is no letting
Stockton off the hook
at the end of this.
1635
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:13,000
How did the people
that had access
to the information
1636
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:17,000
that the general public
didn't have until after
the disaster,
1637
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:22,367
how did those people
not only not stop him,
but keep giving him money?
1638
01:28:23,367 --> 01:28:25,667
That's the question
that keeps me up at night.
1639
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:28,900
[Dawood] I'm not
looking for blaming.
1640
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,100
We all know
who the culprit is.
1641
01:28:35,567 --> 01:28:38,266
Well, it's not changing
anything, does it?
1642
01:28:38,266 --> 01:28:40,734
The culprit died
with them, right?
1643
01:28:40,734 --> 01:28:41,667
So...
1644
01:28:43,667 --> 01:28:45,166
who am I to blame?
1645
01:29:40,367 --> 01:29:41,767
[Stockton] There are
a group of people,
1646
01:29:41,767 --> 01:29:43,200
I don't know
how many there are,
1647
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,867
that say you shouldn't
visit the Titanic
1648
01:29:45,867 --> 01:29:47,300
because it's a grave site.
1649
01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:50,266
Um, in my mind,
I think that's just absurd.
1650
01:29:50,266 --> 01:29:51,300
The fact of the matter is
1651
01:29:51,300 --> 01:29:53,266
the best way
to honor those who died
1652
01:29:53,266 --> 01:29:55,800
is to draw attention to it,
to make people think about it.
1653
01:29:57,667 --> 01:30:00,367
I think it's very important
to keep the Titanic alive.